Amen

Well said, Charles. Well said indeed.

Well said, short and forward looking.

“The Butterfly”

The last, the very last,
So richly, brightly, dazzlingly yellow.
Perhaps if the sun’s tears would sing
against a white stone. . . .

Such, such a yellow
Is carried lightly ‘way up high.
It went away I’m sure because it wished to
kiss the world good-bye.

For seven weeks I’ve lived in here,
Penned up inside this ghetto.
But I have found what I love here.
The dandelions call to me
And the white chestnut branches in the court.
Only I never saw another butterfly.

That butterfly was the last one.
Butterflies don’t live in here,
in the ghetto.

Pavel Friedman 4.6.1942

This poem is preserved in typewritten copy on thin copy paper in the collection of poetry by the poet, which was donated to the State Jewish Museum during its documentation campaign. Pavel Freidmann was born on January 7, 1921, in Prague and deported to Terezin on April 26, 1942. He died in Aushchwitz on September 29, 1944.

Thanks Charles for being a mench and your continued support of Israel !

Sadly, I am starting to wonder if the sane and caring will win, even if they still remember the horrific events that have happened, and in some parts of the world are happening.

NEVER AGAIN

Research on Lesser-Known Nazi Sites Is Now Public

JERUSALEM — In the Ukrainian town of Berdichev, Jewish women were forced to swim across a wide river until they drowned. In Telsiai, Lithuania, children were thrown alive into pits filled with their murdered parents. In Liozno, Belarus, Jews were herded into a locked barn where many froze to death...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Remember the Holocaust, and erase the name of Amalek, and its current representative, Ahmadinejad and the mullahs.

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul.
And sings the tune
Without the words,
and never stops at all.
--Emily Dickinson

September Song

born 19.6.32—deported 24.9.42

Undesirable you may have been, untouchable
you were not. Not forgotten
or passed over at the proper time.

As estimated, you died. Things marched,
sufficient, to that end.
Just so much Zyklon and leather, patented
terror, so many routine cries.

(I have made
an elegy for myself it
is true)

September fattens on vines. Roses
flake from the wall. The smoke
of harmless fires drifts to my eyes.

This is plenty. This is more than enough.

-Geoffrey Hill

Never Again!

We see you, you sonofabitch.

We see you.

I can't remember the name of the barber I went to as a teenager, who had the tattooed numbers on his arm. But I remember him, a survivor.

Amen, Charles.

Never forget.
Never again.

Thanks, Charles.

You're the best blogger on the net and make outstanding Chicken Soup for the Zionist soul.

May they never be forgotten and these atrocities never repeated.

. G_d bless Elie Wiesel.

G_d bless Israel.

IAF Israeli Air Force fly over Auschwitz

re: #5 cxt217

Sadly, I am starting to wonder if the sane and caring will win, even if they still remember the horrific events that have happened, and in some parts of the world are happening.

The sane and caring are becoming a minority in some sections of even the US. Never forget but buy more ammo.

I'm joining the IDF. November 09 expected enlistment. Making Aliyah in May.

Apparently President Barry was "appalled" with the jihad dwarf's recent speech, he still wants to chat with him though.

"As a tide of antisemitism rises again in the world, led by evil men such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Holocaust Remembrance Day is more important than ever."

It's not the Ahmadinejads of the world that bother me as much as all the "normal" people who go along with this evil and do not confront it. Those who run and champion the UN and all it's nefarious organs are the ones that really worry me.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

We see you, you sonofabitch.

We see you.

He see's us too.

Image: atomic_bomb_explosion.jpg

re: #21 persiankippah

I'm joining the IDF. November 09 expected enlistment. Making Aliyah in May.

God Bless you, and watch over you.

Let me add an "Amen." The Jewish people will survive, long after the haters are gone and forgotten. Ahmadinejad and his ilk are destined for the dustbin of history.

re: #21 persiankippah

I'm joining the IDF. November 09 expected enlistment. Making Aliyah in May.

Oh to be young again. Good luck. I envy you.

When I was a kid, a survivor, Mike Jacobs (Mendel Jakubowicz) would come and speak at our school in Dallas. He was the driving force behind the Dallas Memorial Center for Holocaust Studies in Dallas.

re: #19 jcm

IAF Israeli Air Force fly over Auschwitz

[Video]

thanks for that jcm,
we've come a very long way.
I've seen this video before but it still brings tears to my eyes.

What people fail to realize when they hear the horrible things from the mouths of the Iranians, particularly the call of Zionazi towards Wiesel (which I'm pretty sure means you're going straight to hell... and I don't even believe in hell)... anyway, what people don't realize is the response to this. The pig who was shouting Zionazi in Lawhawk's video were completely drowned out by dozens more who called him a racist. The brave people surrounding Wiesel, looking evil right in the face! And an Arab woman amongst them! The Jewish French youth group who showed Achmed the Mad how much of clown he is. It makes me very proud to be a Jew. Especially today.

They can't kill us. They tried and all they did was make us that much more stronger. Let them shout if they must. We will shout louder and we will always win.

re: #21 persiankippah

I'm joining the IDF. November 09 expected enlistment. Making Aliyah in May.

Kol HaKavode!

Hopefully Neville Chamberlin, whoops, I mean Barack Obama will recognize the importance of this day when he speaks to Adolf, whoops, I mean Mahmood.

Well said, Charles.

re: #20 Soona'

The sane and caring are becoming a minority in some sections of even the US. Never forget but buy more ammo.

tried two Walmarts yesterday...zero 12g ammo...field loads only

re: #22 Spiritualized

Apparently President Barry was "appalled" with the jihad dwarf's recent speech, he still wants to chat with him though.

He wants another book to read, he has already finished the one Hugo gave him.

re: #19 jcm

IAF Israeli Air Force fly over Auschwitz

[Video]

Had the IDF existed in the 1940's...

re: #23 Nevergiveup

"As a tide of antisemitism rises again in the world, led by evil men such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Holocaust Remembrance Day is more important than ever."

It's not the Ahmadinejads of the world that bother me as much as all the "normal" people who go along with this evil and do not confront it. Those who run and champion the UN and all it's nefarious organs are the ones that really worry me.

סוף שנעשה אכזרי במקום רחמן

Kol mi shena`asa rahaman bimqom akhzari
Sof shena`asa akhzari bimqom rahaman

All who are made to be compassionate in the place of the cruel
In the end are made to be cruel in the place of the compassionate

Qohelet Raba, 7:16

More colloquially translated:
Those who are kind to the cruel,
in the end will be cruel to the kind

Our Abbas is as much a denier as DinnerJacket.

re: #34 albusteve

tried two Walmarts yesterday...zero 12g ammo...field loads only

And it's not even wabbit season

re: #29 2by2

thanks for that jcm,
we've come a very long way.
I've seen this video before but it still brings tears to my eyes.

Another lizard posted it a day or two ago. (sorry I forgot who)
I was tearing up also.

I have never met a holocaust survivor...that I know of. I fear my heart would crumble and I would die if I did. I cannot fathom man's inhumanity to man.

I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. —Elie Wiesel

Yom HaShoah

Do you realize how many European MSM outfits feels the need to discuss the Palis today?

As a tide of antisemitism rises again in the world, led by evil men such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Holocaust Remembrance Day is more important than ever. The sane and the caring will win this struggle in the long run, but we must never forget what can happen when our eyes are turned away and our minds are closed.

Very optimistic of you to see an end to this struggle at all, much less a victory for the good guys.

I'm not hyper-pessimistic -- I don't think the planet will plunge into totalitarianism forever -- but neither do I think there is a magical utopia awaiting us at the end of history.

Instead, I see the struggle as going on forever. There will always be a back-and-forth fight for supremacy between freedom and totalitarianism, between racism and tolerance, between good and evil.

The Holocaust was one the worst examples of a long line of atrocities that have plagued mankind since before recorded history. But it wasn't the only one, and for all we know it may not be the worst ever in the future. If 800 years ago the Mongols could wipe out entire cities, if 1300 years ago the Arabs could exterminate entire cultures, if 2200 years ago the Romans could level cities to the ground, kill every inhabitant and sow salt in the fields to permanently erase the civilization from human memory, I have no doubt that such atrocities could be wrought in the future as well.

Our task as humans is to prevent them. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

re: #39 Desert Dog

And it's not even wabbit season

you'd starve if you had to hunt rabbits for food out here

My wife works with our local South Florida Jewish Community Center assisting Holocaust Survivors. The stories I've heard. That people could have survived that horror and still retain their humanity is a triumph of the human spirit. She says while there's some who are embittered (and who can blame them), most are wonderful people who've managed to lead a good life and are now approaching the end of their lives. Most of the ones she works with were teenagers during the war. She says no matter how hard life gets, she looks at these people and what they went through and all of sudden things don't look so bad.

Since my childhood I've read about WWII and the Holocaust. My parents wanted to make sure I knew and remembered. They must have known they'd be plenty of Holocaust denying ass hats in the future like Ahmadinejad. I still have most of those books and re-read them every now and then.

I WILL NEVER FORGET!

re: #21 persiankippah

good luck (: !

And one person who goes to the same Chabad as I do, had a grandfather rescued by the Kindertransport. He still wears his grandfather's tallis.

I'm grateful for the opportunity to observe this day with my Jewish friends here, and all over the country. While I'm not Jewish, I can assure all who are reading this that, if trouble ever comes, just look to your right or your left.

I'll be there.

re: #21 persiankippah

I'm joining the IDF. November 09 expected enlistment. Making Aliyah in May.

Plussed and hearted to remember your screenname.

re: #31 Ben Hur

Kol HaKavode!

What Hur said! (Whatever the heck it means)

Good on ya, persiankippah.

re: #35 Desert Dog

He wants another book to read, he has already finished the one Hugo gave him.

He's probably reading it to his kids at night before they close their eyes and dream...

(Ohhh, I just scared myself).

THe judge in the Somali pirate case has just cleared the court room.
Apparently they are trying to determine hi true age in closed court.

re: #34 albusteve

tried two Walmarts yesterday...zero 12g ammo...field loads only

Get on the internet. Retail stores are usually 10-30% higher in prices. But I might add that the run on ammo has affected even the internet sites.

IF ANYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS MONITORING THIS SITE

Please cut and paste Charles opening paragraph and BlackBerry it to our President. Please add a note that there IS evil in the world, and it's the same type of evil that brought us that terrible chapter in history

those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

re: #41 UberInfidel67

I have never met a holocaust survivor...that I know of. I fear my heart would crumble and I would die if I did. I cannot fathom man's inhumanity to man.

My family house a family while we were in Iran, they'd just made it out of Russia, they stayed with us while arrangements were made to get them to Israel. The matriarch was a survivor of both the German camps and the Soviet Gulags.

re: #55 opnion

THe judge in the Somali pirate case has just cleared the court room.
Apparently they are trying to determine hi true age in closed court.

Send the case to Judge Judys court! She doesn't put up with such nonsense!

And one more thing - when I'm worshiping at Chabad, and hear the strong Ashkenazic (European) accented Hebrew, I am reminded that despite the terrible losses we Jews suffered, Hitler lost.
However, his successors are still around, and cannot be allowed to succeed.

re: #5 cxt217

Sadly, I am starting to wonder if the sane and caring will win, even if they still remember the horrific events that have happened, and in some parts of the world are happening.

It may sound trite, but I found a source of inspiration from Joe Dirt. "Life's a garden, dig it. What am I going to do? Quit? Can't have no in your heart." Silly sayings, yes. But seriously, what will you do? Quit? What can you do? If you give up hope that the just will win, then the just have already lost. Never ever give up hope. One more quote:

It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.

---Robert H. Goddard

re: #41 UberInfidel67

I have never met a holocaust survivor...that I know of. I fear my heart would crumble and I would die if I did. I cannot fathom man's inhumanity to man.

One of the worst things I've seen was in a documentary (there are at least 2 million of them shown in Israel today) about Survivors with psychological problems and their care in Israel.

No one could know if some of them would have mental disease regardless, but there was on old man in the documentary that I will never forget.

His whole family was killed.

Everyday he gets up, packs a small suitcase, puts on his hat, and sits outside his room waiting for them to pick him up because they said they would find him.

And that's all I have to say about that, because unlike some, I don;t get upset, I getting furious.

It's tough to be in Israel today.

the responsiblity of securing your liberty and safety is up to each free man or women and is not the police or other government agencies responsiblity. all jews should buy one rifle and one handgun and the ammo for each. and consider a membership in an org such as [Link: www.jpfo.org...]

I worked with an old Pole after high school...he talked openly about his life then...fought in the Polish army then the Soviet army and was captured...he miraculously lived but the thing I remember most was that he said in all the years since hardly anybody asked about the numbers on his arm

re: #58 jcm

One thing that makes me feel better is knowing that the good guys made the bad guys clean up their mess. They couldn't deny what they did when they were cleaning it up.

(That doesn't sound like it sounded in my head) I hope you all know what I meant.

If you all don't mind a kind word from a sympathetic gentile,
I saw the evidence of it, I remember the stories of the survivors and have cried with them, I will not forget it, I will work to prevent it from ever happening again.

re: #46 albusteve

you'd starve if you had to hunt rabbits for food out here

They are overrunning Scottsdale and Mesa this year. As the city pushes further into the desert, the predators are not around to cull the "herds" of squirrels and bunnies. We need more hawks, owl, coyotes and cats...not more tract houses and strip malls...the sprawl of this place depresses me.

re: #59 sattv4u2

Send the case to Judge Judys court! She doesn't put up with such nonsense!

It would be ineresting, but then his girlfriend would show up claiming that he stole her TV.

re: #62 Ben Hur
(cannot reply while crying)

If there are people within a day's driving distance to the Holocaust Memorial Museum in D.C., I highly highly recommend going (and take as many people with you that can fit in your car, especially children).

Seeing this will astonish and amaze you. What we have all learned in school about the Holocaust pales in comparison to what the museum shows.

You will walk out of there a changed person (either politically, or emotionally), I guarantee it. And if not, there is something severely wrong with you.

We must never (conveniently) forget!

re: #64 Iron Fist

Gotta start reloading (rolling your own). Components are much easier to get and you get a lot more out of any given caliber.

One last thing.

Looking around today, with all the access to information, 24 hour news cycles, etc etc etc, with Israel/Jews constantly under attack, is it any wonder that it was allowed to happen?

Can you understand, now?

re: #68 Desert Dog

They are overrunning Scottsdale and Mesa this year. As the city pushes further into the desert, the predators are not around to cull the "herds" of squirrels and bunnies. We need more hawks, owl, coyotes and cats...not more tract houses and strip malls...the sprawl of this place depresses me.

I was around there last year after only a five year absence and was stunned at the growth...they will regret it someday

Ok...can't handle this thread. Will be back later. Peace ya'll

Unfortunately evil men like Ahmadinejad have plenty of well meaning (and some not-so-well meaning) enablers who feel that we shouldn't judge other cultures or that we have to understand the importance of the Palestinian issue to the Muslim world (though they're largely silent about other Muslims who suffer much worse)

Go to You Tube and look at he "War and Remembrance" clips--especially the train trip from Therisenstadt to Auschwitz--and the subsequent "processing". Possibly the most powerful piece of television I have ever seen.

Never, ever forget.

re: #57 sattv4u2

IF ANYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS MONITORING THIS SITE

Please cut and paste Charles opening paragraph and BlackBerry it to our President. Please add a note that there IS evil in the world, and it's the same type of evil that brought us that terrible chapter in history

those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

Well said Charles and sattv4u2...here, here!

re: #74 albusteve

I was around there last year after only a five year absence and was stunned at the growth...they will regret it someday

Someday is here already...the downturn in real estate is killing this place

re: #55 opnion

THe judge in the Somali pirate case has just cleared the court room.
Apparently they are trying to determine hi true age in closed court.

I heard this morning that his defense (some guy named Kubi) claims that he is immune to prosecution because he was negotiating under a white flag...

I'm not Jewish, but I am a member of the human race, and I will not forget.

re: #66 UberInfidel67

One thing that makes me feel better is knowing that the good guys made the bad guys clean up their mess. They couldn't deny what they did when they were cleaning it up.

(That doesn't sound like it sounded in my head) I hope you all know what I meant.

We need to do that more.

Never again has come to mean, never again unless...

At at the UN (a pox upon their house) a keynote speech's theme was, "Again!"

Refugee Blues

Say this city has ten million souls,
Some are living in mansions, some are living in holes:
Yet there's no place for us, my dear, yet there's no place for us.

Once we had a country and we thought it fair,
Look in the atlas and you'll find it there:
We cannot go there now, my dear, we cannot go there now.

In the village churchyard there grows an old yew,
Every spring it blossoms anew:
Old passports can't do that, my dear, old passports can't do that.

The consul banged the table and said,
"If you've got no passport you're officially dead":
But we are still alive, my dear, but we are still alive.

Went to a committee; they offered me a chair;
Asked me politely to return next year:
But where shall we go to-day, my dear, but where shall we go to-day?

Came to a public meeting; the speaker got up and said;
"If we let them in, they will steal our daily bread":
He was talking of you and me, my dear, he was talking of you and me.

Thought I heard the thunder rumbling in the sky;
It was Hitler over Europe, saying, "They must die":
O we were in his mind, my dear, O we were in his mind.

Saw a poodle in a jacket fastened with a pin,
Saw a door opened and a cat let in:
But they weren't German Jews, my dear, but they weren't German Jews.

Went down the harbour and stood upon the quay,
Saw the fish swimming as if they were free:
Only ten feet away, my dear, only ten feet away.

Walked through a wood, saw the birds in the trees;
They had no politicians and sang at their ease:
They weren't the human race, my dear, they weren't the human race.

Dreamed I saw a building with a thousand floors,
A thousand windows and a thousand doors:
Not one of them was ours, my dear, not one of them was ours.

Stood on a great plain in the falling snow;
Ten thousand soldiers marched to and fro:
Looking for you and me, my dear, looking for you and me.

WH Auden

re: #64 Iron Fist

The last time I saw any was 15 shells for $10, 00Buck, Remngton manufactured. I bought all they had. I tried to do the same with .45 the other day. They only had one box.

I probably have well over 300 rounds...I'm cool for home D that's for sure, but I'd rather shoot that stuff at the range as well...I don't care for trap or target loads

re: #23 Nevergiveup

I had the misfortune (yesterday) to come across "comments" made at European "news" (legitimate, not flakes, not blogs) websites -- the comments defy understanding. (The "comments" were not raving/ranting/screaming -- they all sounded o so cool, so calculated, so "rational" (?) -- which made them all the more frightening. Many were calling for the murder of Jews as a "right" and as completely understandable and to be "expected" given Jewish "crimes", etc. I believe any battle for the "hearts and minds" of Europeans -- as in being even mildly sympathetic to the State of Israel/Jews, etc -- is lost...)

re: #80 brookly red

I heard this morning that his defense (some guy named Kubi) claims that he is immune to prosecution because he was negotiating under a white flag...

That is an interesting point & might have legs.

re: #34 albusteve

tried two Walmarts yesterday...zero 12g ammo...field loads only

Sportsmens' Guide-- no .45 ACP ammo--all on backorder. No 00 buck.
Cabella's--only a limited selection.

It's like a Soviet grocery in the mid-80's.

May God always show grace and love to the innocent lives cut down by the depravity and hate of man.
May they rest forever under the sunshine of his mercy..
May the bitterness of the millions of tears heal and bless you. You are our friends forever.
God Bless Israel

re: #66 UberInfidel67

One thing that makes me feel better is knowing that the good guys made the bad guys clean up their mess. They couldn't deny what they did when they were cleaning it up.

(That doesn't sound like it sounded in my head) I hope you all know what I meant.

Interesting observation, but that makes me wonder. Treblinka was dismantled, bulldozed under and all the piles of ashes of dead Jews and others were buried. And that was before the end of the war, the Germans were trying to cover up what they did.

I wonder if after the war, as they were cleaning up their mess, if they really took joy in doing it?

Just a thought.

(P.S. When I was in Treblinka, that's all I could keep thinking that I was walking on top of the ashes of over a million people, not a good feeling in any sort of way).

{Ben Hur}

re: #5 cxt217

Sadly, I am starting to wonder if the sane and caring will win, even if they still remember the horrific events that have happened, and in some parts of the world are happening.

If the good guys can grow a political center strong enough to control the crooks and loons while maintaining patience and diligence, I have optimism.

Charles' message of reason over extremism is an excellent way of undermining extremist media and it's supporters.

As far as the topic of this thread, I would get too choked up putting a coherent message together so I'll just day - Never Forget.

re: #77 calcajun

Recently watched the entire mini series, was truly enlightening. Robert Mitchum was The Man!

re: #80 brookly red

I heard this morning that his defense (some guy named Kubi) claims that he is immune to prosecution because he was negotiating under a white flag...

But, before he flew the white flag he was flying a Jolly Roger, that sorta cancels out the white flag, no?

re: #55 opnion

THe judge in the Somali pirate case has just cleared the court room.
Apparently they are trying to determine hi true age in closed court.

Yeah and that is not good news. This kid is gonna walk

re: #71 cubbydave44

My mother is retired and she teaches part time and volunteers at the museum.

re: #89 Iron Fist

Just because something is an atrocity doesn't mean that it always is wrong. We've been lucky, so far, that atrocity was not what was needed tobring a phase of the war to a successful conclusion, but if it should become necessary I certainly hope we won't flinch.

Dude, we're f*cked.

We have people running this government that morally equate putting a caterpillar in a box with killing 3000 people in an act of war.

re: #86 opnion

That is an interesting point & might have legs.

strong legs at that.

Any 3rd Generation Survivors out there?

re: #89 Iron Fist

Just because something is an atrocity doesn't mean that it always is wrong. We've been lucky, so far, that atrocity was not what was needed tobring a phase of the war to a successful conclusion, but if it should become necessary I certainly hope we won't flinch.

You suck.
Posting a comment that might get you the stick, and me for agreeing with it is dangerous, but worth noting.

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Yeah and that is not good news. This kid is gonna walk

If he does walk over "the white flag defense", I foresee every pirate in the world stocking up on white flags.

re: #94 Desert Dog

But, before he flew the white flag he was flying a Jolly Roger, that sorta cancels out the white flag, no?

Maybe not... I think he is going to walk.

re: #19 jcm

IAF Israeli Air Force fly over Auschwitz

Had to log on just to up-ding you, jcm. Thank you for that. Yesterday I just finished Hermann Wouk's War and Remembrance. That made this very special day even more poignant.

re: #97 Ben Hur

Dude, we're f*cked.

We have people running this government that morally equate putting a caterpillar in a box with killing 3000 people in an act of war.

No, they consider putting the caterpillar in a box as a greater crime.

my wife's grand father got to America in the 1930's his 7 brothers and sisters, there wife's and husbands and children did not get out all but one were murdered by the Nazi scum.

Let's not forget OUR taxes paid for that hatefest dedicated to denying the Holocaust.

US and Israeli taxpayers ought to revolt for that obscene fact alone.

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Yeah and that is not good news. This kid is gonna walk

Gonna walk and most likely stay in the US. I can't see them sending him back to Somalia. His family might even be brought over. Wonder what Capt. Phillips would say.

re: #102 brookly red

Maybe not... I think he is going to walk.

I hope he DOES walk ...,,,
,,,
,,,
,,,the plank!

re: #93 latingent

Recently watched the entire mini series, was truly enlightening. Robert Mitchum was The Man!

too old for Pug. I thought that James Garner would have been better. Ali McGraw stunk, though.

Otherwise well cast

re: #102 brookly red

Maybe not... I think he is going to walk.

So, his buddys get their heads blown off, but he is "innocent"? Only in America. Are they going to bus in an LA jury? I can see Al Sharpton out front protesting the "illegal trial of the Somali Coast Guard" already.

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that if Israel is attacked today, Obama would just sit back, watch, and not miss a bite of his waffle.

I think it's just a matter of time until Iran attacks Israel.

re: #108 sattv4u2

Arrr that was terrible.

re: #111 3 wood

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that if Israel is attacked today, Obama would just sit back, watch, and not miss a bite of his waffle.

I think it's just a matter of time until Iran attacks Israel.

Oh he might issue a statement for both sides to display caution?

re: #109 calcajun

Polly bergen saved the day, she was grrreat!

And to think Iran could have been stopped if we had just had some balls.

maybe it's just me, but I don't think we should go OT on this thread...
and on such a somber occasion as this remembrance, I am at a loss...
God have mercy on us all.

One of the very few good artistically works on the Holocaust is Paul Celan's Todesfuge.

re: #19 jcm

Thank you for this.

To never forget is one thing - to never let it happen again, thats what we have to strive for.

God bless Israel and all who fight for her survival.

I can vividly recall my trip to Yad Vashem back in 1993 and I know that they've since expanded the museum significantly. The Children's memorial (where six candles were reflected in hundreds of mirrors to create literally millions of points of light) was especially powerful.

And as powerful as those memorials and reminders are, there are people who will stop at nothing to deny the Holocaust existed and worse - openly agitate to finish the job started by Hitler and despots and dictators through the centuries that sought to eliminate Jewish existence.

It is for that reason that we cannot remain silent in the face of evil like Ahmadinejad. To do so only lays the groundwork for their evil to seep into wider acceptance or silent assent.

re: #110 Desert Dog

So, his buddys get their heads blown off, but he is "innocent"? Only in America. Are they going to bus in an LA jury? I can see Al Sharpton out front protesting the "illegal trial of the Somali Coast Guard" already.

Not innocent, protected.

re: #80 brookly red

I heard this morning that his defense (some guy named Kubi) claims that he is immune to prosecution because he was negotiating under a white flag...

Was it Ron Kuby? Good grief.

Doing what it takes to prevent atrocities.

That is so 2005.

We live in a different era now.

re: #111 3 wood

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that if Israel is attacked today, Obama would just sit back, watch, and not miss a bite of his waffle.

I think it's just a matter of time until Iran attacks Israel.

Obama would have to do something when Iran tries to close the Strait of Hormuz. They could sink quite a few ships in that area and make the flow of oil out of there stop. That would screw up the entire world. I hope if Israel does something we are prepared to deal with the aftermath.

re: #103 StillAMarine

Had to log on just to up-ding you, jcm. Thank you for that. Yesterday I just finished Hermann Wouk's War and Remembrance. That made this very special day even more poignant.

Excellent set of books. A highly recommend read.
Winds of War!
War and Remembrance.
The video series, also excellent and faithful to Wouk's books.
Winds of War
War and Remembrance

re: #80 brookly red

I heard this morning that his defense (some guy named Kubi) claims that he is immune to prosecution because he was negotiating under a white flag...

Watch the ACLU turn him into a victim and a celebrity.

re: #21 persiankippah

I'm joining the IDF. November 09 expected enlistment. Making Aliyah in May.

* * * *
Thank you & congratulations. It's an outrage Jewish Persians cannot live in their own country anymore.

Iran must be stopped, not coddled by Carter clones.

Very sobering. But by the grace of G_d go I.
If you have never looked through the Holocaust victims list, it is
very reveling. Two dear souls with the exact same name as one of my sons and wife are on the list. Born a different time or place...
That is why we have to take tyrant's words seriously, when they shout
"Death to Israel!" "Death to the Jews!"
[Link: www.yadvashem.org...]

Please jcm, tell me how you are able to print the Ivrit aleph-bet.

re: #73 Ben Hur

One last thing.

Looking around today, with all the access to information, 24 hour news cycles, etc etc etc, with Israel/Jews constantly under attack, is it any wonder that it was allowed to happen?

Can you understand, now?

That is precisely why Israel cannot wait forever for allies to help 'stop' Iran's march to nuclear weapons. Israel will at some point defend their country and their people's right to exist against Iran and bomb the hell out of Iran's nuclear program facilities. The UN will do nothing except talk. Obama apparently will do nothing except talk in the interim as Iran's President and religious leader have said what they plan to use the nukes they are not seeking for. Israel knows the clock is ticking.

re: #120 lawhawk

But they still invite this guy to speak at Columbia and this latest fiasco they are having. The world will never learn. We have to defend ourselves. No one else is gonna do it for us. Friends can help, but any people or nation that can't or will not fight for itself is in deep trouble.

re: #126 3 wood

Watch the ACLU turn him into a victim and a celebrity.

They will be lining up...he will be the new poster boy

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

Was it Ron Kuby? Good grief.

Kuby might be a leftist, but he is a GOOD lawyer.

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

Was it Ron Kuby? Good grief.

That's what I heard on WABC (his old station) but I have not seen any thing to confirm it.

re: #102 brookly red

Maybe not... I think he is going to walk.

I believe that you may be right. He is a little cretin, but he was negotiating.
FNC is now reporting that the kid quit smiling & was crying in court.

re: #130 Pupdawg

That is precisely why Israel cannot wait forever for allies to help 'stop' Iran's march to nuclear weapons. Israel will at some point defend their country and their people's right to exist against Iran and bomb the hell out of Iran's nuclear program facilities. The UN will do nothing except talk. Obama apparently will do nothing except talk in the interim as Iran's President and religious leader have said what they plan to use the nukes they are not seeking for. Israel knows the clock is ticking.

The clock is ticking! And it is fast approaching midnight.

re: #116 Iron Fist

I load for most of the `things` that I use, the 8x57 and 45-70 being two of my favorites. Could you set up a stowable unit? C clamps and some kind of bench will do, maybe even the kitchen table! It is a very rewarding activity. And your dependency on the factory is nullified!

Where is ploomie? Is she gone? I don't know how to spell her name and search for her. She has firsthand history of the Holocaust IIRC.

re: #138 snowcrash

Where is ploomie? Is she gone? I don't know how to spell her name and search for her. She has firsthand history of the Holocaust IIRC.

crashed and burned aways back

re: #135 opnion

I believe that you may be right. He is a little cretin, but he was negotiating.
FNC is now reporting that the kid quit smiling & was crying in court.

Well usually, when you are negotiating and lose your leverage, the negotiations are over. He was a PIRATE for goodness sake...are they really going to let this kid off?

re: #138 snowcrash

Where is ploomie? Is she gone? I don't know how to spell her name and search for her. She has firsthand history of the Holocaust IIRC.

I think she self destructed a month ago

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

Was it Ron Kuby? Good grief.

Yep.

re: #77 calcajun

I'm re-reading that right now. I read that chapter about a week ago.

re: #94 Desert Dog

But, before he flew the white flag he was flying a Jolly Roger, that sorta cancels out the white flag, no?

Unfortunatelly, we're going to see exactly why it's not a good idea to try terrorists in American courts. This little teenage asshat terrorist is going to be let go on legal technicalities and be given American citizenship. Just watch. The zero admin. fix is in.

re: #126 3 wood

Watch the ACLU turn him into a victim and a celebrity.

Yup...

re: #134 brookly red

That's what I heard on WABC (his old station) but I have not seen any thing to confirm it.

Someone posted a link about it earlier today.

re: #140 Desert Dog

Well usually, when you are negotiating and lose your leverage, the negotiations are over. He was a PIRATE for goodness sake...are they really going to let this kid off?

I certainly hope not, but you never know.

Virginia Holocaust Museum - Tolerance Through Education

Explore the Museum

The Virginia Holocaust Museum strives to provide guests with an interactive experience. At the Museum, guests can walk through a ghetto and concentration camp, board the “St. Louis” ship and take a ride in a cattle car. Plus, guests can crawl through a replica of an actual hiding place where 13 people hid during World War II for nine months.

Electronic Resources

Last fall I took my daughter and one of her friends. The Virgina Holocaust
Museum in Richmond is in some ways more impressive than the one in DC.

re: #146 MandyManners

Someone posted a link about it earlier today.

There was talk earlier in the day Kuby was organizing a defense team

re: #145 brookly red

A Somali center in Minnesota is also sticking up for him.

re: #13 Kosh's Shadow

I can't remember the name of the barber I went to as a teenager, who had the tattooed numbers on his arm. But I remember him, a survivor.

There was a thin scattering of them throughout my life. A couple on my grandparent's street. A janitor at a local health club. A couple of the merchants downtown. Enough to be a constant, living reminder of that horror, and the even more astonishing fact that it was possible to live through it.

They were old then, to my eyes. And so many now are gone, and those remaining so much older still. Soon, they will be gone, and not all that long after that, those of us who saw them firsthand and remember them will also be gone. And what then? Evil is not easily ignored when those who have looked it squarely in the face are there to relate the tale. When they are not, it is all too easy to forget.

re: #146 MandyManners

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #57 sattv4u2

those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

History doesn't repeat itself. It stutters.

(a very quick "drive-by")

Remember!

Never ever forget!

re: #150 MandyManners

A Somali center in Minnesota is also sticking up for him.

I am dam near saying something that might get me banned. Deep breath. Deep breath.

re: #129 StillAMarine

Please jcm, tell me how you are able to print the Ivrit aleph-bet.

It needs to be unicode font. In this case the site linked used unicode and it was copy and paste.

Check your systems fonts, most systems have a Hebrew font included. Here's and open source font.

re: #153 BlueCanuck

History doesn't repeat itself. It stutters.

History repeats itself because nobody is listening.

re: #150 MandyManners

A Somali center in Minnesota is also sticking up for him.

Dear Somali Ctr in Minnesota

Kiss my Jolly Roger!

re: #151 SixDegrees

There was a thin scattering of them throughout my life. A couple on my grandparent's street. A janitor at a local health club. A couple of the merchants downtown. Enough to be a constant, living reminder of that horror, and the even more astonishing fact that it was possible to live through it.

They were old then, to my eyes. And so many now are gone, and those remaining so much older still. Soon, they will be gone, and not all that long after that, those of us who saw them firsthand and remember them will also be gone. And what then? Evil is not easily ignored when those who have looked it squarely in the face are there to relate the tale. When they are not, it is all too easy to forget.

Teach your children.

re: #144 Soona'

Unfortunatelly, we're going to see exactly why it's not a good idea to try terrorists in American courts. This little teenage asshat terrorist is going to be let go on legal technicalities and be given American citizenship. Just watch. The zero admin. fix is in.

He is just a kid, we need to get his bosses, they are the real problem. He was probably load up on qwat and told to go out there. But, I cannot see how we can let this person off...kidnapping is a violent crime. Hijacking is about as serious as you can get...only murder is worse. Letting him go will send a signal to the other would be pirates.

It'll tell them not to fight, just surrender to the USA...you'll get a free trip to NY and a VISA! What a deal!

re: #124 Desert Dog

Obama would have to do something when Iran tries to close the Strait of Hormuz. They could sink quite a few ships in that area and make the flow of oil out of there stop. That would screw up the entire world. I hope if Israel does something we are prepared to deal with the aftermath.

Right, but if Dinnerjacket did not close the gulf, I don't think Obama would do so much as lift a finger to help Israel.

I remember in college visiting the home a good friend who happened to be Jewish. His Grandma lived there, and she showed me the tattooed serial number. I stared at that and the reality of what it meant hit me like a sledgehammer.

Still does...

re: #156 jcm

Thank you.

re: #135 opnion

I believe that you may be right. He is a little cretin, but he was negotiating.
FNC is now reporting that the kid quit smiling & was crying in court.

Give back is AK so he feels comfortable!

///

re: #135 opnion

I believe that you may be right. He is a little cretin, but he was negotiating.
FNC is now reporting that the kid quit smiling & was crying in court.

worse that that... if the court finds that they were all under protection of the white flag then get ready to hear the words "war crime"...

re: #150 MandyManners

A Somali center in Minnesota is also sticking up for him.

A mosque there is under scrutiny for it's young men going to Somalia for Jihad. The Imam is saying that he had nothing to do with it. Why would anybody doubt him?

re: #159 Iron Fist

General Grant: War is hell, and the worse you make it the sooner it will be over.

re: #73 Ben Hur

One last thing.

Looking around today, with all the access to information, 24 hour news cycles, etc etc etc, with Israel/Jews constantly under attack, is it any wonder that it was allowed to happen?

I occasionally used to get into discussions/arguments with people who maintained that something like the Shoah could never happen again. One of the horrors of the Shoah was that it happened in a nation that most people considered highly civilized. Sure, we expect that kind of behavior from the third world, but from Germany, with its history of culture?

I hope people look around not only at Iran but at the demonization of Israel that occurs in Europe and even among certain contingents in America and realize that it can happen in the most "civilized" nations. What made it possible was not the evil of Hitler and Ahmadinejad--each is only one man. What made it possible was what Hannah Arendt called the banality of evil. That ordinary people are willing to demonize and dehumanize another group of people, or to remain silent while others do so.

Thank you, Charles, for not remaining silent.

re: #162 3 wood

Right, but if Dinnerjacket did not close the gulf, I don't think Obama would do so much as lift a finger to help Israel.

I remember in college visiting the home a good friend who happened to be Jewish. His Grandma lived there, and she showed me the tattooed serial number. I stared at that and the reality of what it meant hit me like a sledgehammer.

Still does...

Same here. Seeing it for yourself...

We say "Never again." and yet, 65 years later, people who would make a new Holocaust walk the Earth, make speeches, write books, host web sites, build bombs.

re: #167 latingent

General Grant: War is hell, and the worse you make it the sooner it will be over.

Patton ,,, "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

re: #159 Iron Fist

You'll get no arguement from me. I think we have played far too nice as it is. War means breaking things and killing people. Usually the side that breaks the most and kills the most wins. This we learn from the collective wisdom of over 5000 years of history. Never before in human history has a nation at war worried so much about the bad things that are happening to the enemy.

And God knows our enemies aren't concerned about what they do to us. The only reason we can have any confidence in the fact that Iran doesn't yet have nuclear arms is the fact that Iran hasn't yet used any nuclear arms.

And Obama doesn't see any urgancy as necessary to keeping Iran from getting nuclear arms. I sometimes wonder who's side he is on, but most of the time I'm pretty sure he's on Iran's side.

Anything he will do will be "reactive". I do not see anything in his character or past that would suggest a "proactive" mentality. He will wait until Israel strikes Iran, or until Iran vaporizes Tel Aviv before he does anything.

re: #168 transient

It would only take 2 or 3 nuclear weapons to devastate Israel. I'm not for waiting!

re: #131 Nevergiveup

But they still invite this guy to speak at Columbia and this latest fiasco they are having. The world will never learn. We have to defend ourselves. No one else is gonna do it for us. Friends can help, but any people or nation that can't or will not fight for itself is in deep trouble.

* * * *
Remember who "they" are, who invited Holocaust denying scum to Columbia U in the US & UN.

Rashid Khalidi, the PLO spokesman who taught at Columbia U's middleastern studies department, in the Edward Said chair.

Columbia graduates, such as Meghan McCain the Senator's daughter, ought to let their alma mater know how despicable was that invitation.

Never forget WHO invites holocause deniers.

re: #154 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(a very quick "drive-by")

Remember!

Never ever forget!

We say 'never forget' and then we elect a President, arguably the leader of the free world and he offers a surge of hope to dictactors everywhere...

Romney on Obama

The leader of the free world has been a timid advocate of freedom at best.

Found in the LGF archives...

Memories of People I Never Knew

Grandfather Eliezer was an important man.
Not nearly as wealthy as
Great-grandfather Aaron.
Reggie, my grandmother,
was neither important nor wealthy,
but she was “an angel,”
feeding half the town
even though she could ill afford it.

Importance, wealth, kindness.
None of it mattered. They all perished
in Auschwitz.

My aunt Sarah and her two children,
Eva was 5, and 3 year old Moshe, the sweet babies
also died in Auschwitz.

Mothers and children.
No matter.
All consumed in the fires
of Auschwitz.

Where are they? I have pictures to prove they existed.
Yet some would deny that it happened.

The rich and the poor.
The young and the old.
It didn’t matter.
The Jews were sent to die
in Auschwitz.

One hundred miles away.
Another Aunt Sarah, a great beauty.
Another three children, geniuses all.
And my Uncle Daniel, as handsome as a movie star
in his army uniform.
I know, I have pictures.

The pretty and the plain.
The smart and the simple.
Does it matter?
They were all murdered
In Auschwitz.

Where are they? The aunts and the cousins.
Friends of the family. Uncles and
grandmothers who were angels,
I was never to meet.
I am left with their faces in the photographs.
They are in the pictures and
In a part of my heart I keep safe.
The memory of people I never knew.

There is the number A12311.
Forever a reminder.
A tattoo printed on my mother’s arm
in Auschwitz

כנפre: #163 StillAMarine

Thank you.

Playing around a default windows XP font is called David, it appears on first pass to be unicode. How it maps to your keyboard, I don't know.

My wife keeps trying to talk me into going on a March of The Living trip where they visit Aushwitz and Israel but I've refused because I know I can't take it. Knowing that so many innocents were slaughtered there would overwhelm me with grief, I'd probably cry like a baby for days. Yep, I'm a woosie.

re: #162 3 wood

Right, but if Dinnerjacket did not close the gulf, I don't think Obama would do so much as lift a finger to help Israel.

I remember in college visiting the home a good friend who happened to be Jewish. His Grandma lived there, and she showed me the tattooed serial number. I stared at that and the reality of what it meant hit me like a sledgehammer.

Still does...

I think if Iran closed the Straits of Hormuz, 0bama would pressure Israel to do whatever it took to get Iran to re-open them.

re: #167 latingent

General Grant: War is hell, and the worse you make it the sooner it will be over.

I think that is actually a Gen. Sherman quote?

Here's another one:

"My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. " . . . William T. Sherman

re: #165 brookly red

worse that that... if the court finds that they were all under protection of the white flag then get ready to hear the words "war crime"...

We will counter with the assertion that a weapon was pointed at Captain Phillips & that we were compelled to act at that point.
If he does get off, he will get an interview on Oprah.

This book was mandatory reading in a college class I had on the Holocaust www.amazon.com...] target="_blank">The Hidden Encyclical. I had never heard of this topic before the class.

re: #168 transient

I occasionally used to get into discussions/arguments with people who maintained that something like the Shoah could never happen again. One of the horrors of the Shoah was that it happened in a nation that most people considered highly civilized. Sure, we expect that kind of behavior from the third world, but from Germany, with its history of culture?

I hope people look around not only at Iran but at the demonization of Israel that occurs in Europe and even among certain contingents in America and realize that it can happen in the most "civilized" nations. What made it possible was not the evil of Hitler and Ahmadinejad--each is only one man. What made it possible was what Hannah Arendt called the banality of evil. That ordinary people are willing to demonize and dehumanize another group of people, or to remain silent while others do so.

Thank you, Charles, for not remaining silent.

Many updings. If I lived in (not-so-)Great Britain, I'd be nervous; caught between the Jew-hatred of the British (largely upper classes), the Jihadis, and the BNP and other racist groups.

re: #176 Iron Fist

And now Obama looks like he is going to cut KSM loose with a swat on the ass and a fat government check.

The opening paragraph of the article is pretty important:

(CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

I don't remember hearing about this before. Maybe I am just too tuned out.

re: #168 transient

That is apparent when it is pointed out that the Nazis were
purveyors of fine art, classical music, etc.. Being (cultured, civilized)
did not inhibit the atrocities.

re: #157 ConservatismNow!

History repeats itself because nobody is listening something else is taught in school instead.

The UN; Leading the World

In Anti-semitism against Holocaust survivors.

Kaleidoscopic irony from the UN’s Jew-bash bash in Geneva, as the world’s most famous Holocaust survivor suffers the indignity of analogy to the people who murdered his family courtesy of the world’s most famous Holocaust denier and his screeching goons — on Hitler’s birthday

Q. So what did Elie Wiesel do to deserve such treatment at a UN meeting on tolerance?

A. Survive.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Charles Barron--NYC council member and loon bat liberal thinks the little piss ant pirate can't get a fair trial here? I'd give him a fair trial before I hung him.

re: #179 Land Shark

My wife keeps trying to talk me into going on a March of The Living trip where they visit Aushwitz and Israel but I've refused because I know I can't take it. Knowing that so many innocents were slaughtered there would overwhelm me with grief, I'd probably cry like a baby for days. Yep, I'm a woosie.

Don't feel like a woosie..This is one of the very few threads I've shed a tear over...Mankind must never forget.

My Sister Kahye

Chaya Alberstein sings

If you listen to this you cannot forget it

re: #179 Land Shark

The only woosies at Aushwitz were the cowards in charge. Everyone else, the Dead, the survivors, and all who grieve for them are strong and decent. This includes you.

re: #167 latingent

General Grant: War is hell, and the worse you make it the sooner it will be over.

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.

War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace.

William Tecumseh Sherman

re: #182 opnion

We will counter with the assertion that a weapon was pointed at Captain Phillips & that we were compelled to act at that point.
If he does get off, he will get an interview on Oprah.

There are a lot of ways that this could go, & most of em ain't good.

When my son was in the 8th grade, his class went to the Dallas Holocaust Museum after they read Eli Wiesels "Night". He still remembers. Education is the best way to continue that we ALL never forget.

re: #191 Ojoe

I cannot hear this without crying really hard

Remembering the victims of the Holocaust today -- the six million exterminated European Jews, and the millions of Slavs, political and religious dissidents, homosexuals, disabled people, Freemasons, and others also wiped out in the camps.

Never forget!
Never again!

re: #189 Nevergiveup

Charles Barron--NYC council member and loon bat liberal thinks the little piss ant pirate can't get a fair trial here? I'd give him a fair trial before I hung him.

I'd hang him 1st THEN give him a fair trial. That way, there'll be a faster trial due to less interruptions and outbursts! And we ARE guaranteed a speedy trial !

re: #172 Desert Dog

Anything he will do will be "reactive". I do not see anything in his character or past that would suggest a "proactive" mentality. He will wait until Israel strikes Iran, or until Iran vaporizes Tel Aviv before he does anything.

...if he does anything at all.

re: #184 Kosh's Shadow

Many updings. If I lived in (not-so-)Great Britain, I'd be nervous; caught between the Jew-hatred of the British (largely upper classes), the Jihadis, and the BNP and other racist groups.

It's not for nothing that French Jews have been looking into--and buying--real estate in Israel. (And in many cases, moving there.) I think the situation in the UK and France will only get worse.

But of course tomorrow is Earth Day, and Global Warming is the real Holocaust.

/modern education

re: #179 Land Shark I agree, I couldn't handle it either. Heck, I had to step away from this thread long enough to gather my composure. That does not make one a wuss. That would make one a human being.

re: #165 brookly red

You don't put a gun to a hostages head or act in a threatening fashion while under a white flag.A white flag is an appeal to parley,not a"now i can do as i wish with impunity"card.The shoot was clean.

re: #198 sattv4u2

I'd hang him 1st THEN give him a fair trial. That way, there'll be a faster trial due to less interruptions and outbursts! And we ARE guaranteed a speedy trial !

Nah. Tie him up on the bow of the Bainbridge, drop him over and keelhaul him, and meanwhile have the trial.

re: #170 Paul

We say "Never again." and yet, 65 years later, people who would make a new Holocaust walk the Earth, make speeches, write books, host web sites, build bombs.

We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Congo.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Rwanda.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Sudan and Darfur.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing as Mao killed tens of millions.

We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing as Saddam Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands but when the US finally responded by deposing Saddam Hussein, the world and the leftists said - hold the phone.

re: #177 littleoldlady

Found in the LGF archives...

Thank you!

Forgetting is easy when people just look at the numbers - six million, that is so hard to imagine.
But look at the names, the faces, see how these are fathers, mothers, aunts, brothers and sisters, grannies and grandpas, nieces, nephews, grandchildren.
Thats why names are important - the Holocaust is not just a statistic - its millions of relatives, its families.

We must keep in mind that Israel is not just a country - its the home of survivors, of all those who, if certain people have their way, will again end up just as photos in a museum.

Thats why we won't forget, and won't let it happen again.

Anybody who cannot understand this cannot be a friend of mine.

Bigotry of any sort is something I just can't understand, but anti-Semitism is particularly strange to me. My first little friend in kindergarten was a Jewish girl. I thought she was very nice and pretty, and I liked going to her house to play. Her mom was nice to me too. The only reason I even recall her heritage is that her and a few other children brought in some items for a mass show and tell around Hanukkah and I found it really interesting even at 5- not something to feared because it's different. I changed schools a couple years later and lost touch with her, I have no idea where she may be. But I think of her sometimes and wonder if she knows what a difference her friendship made to a Gentile. God Bless her, and God Bless Israel.

re: #193 jcm

Thank you. Grant understood the gravity of war and never belittled it. Maybe I should have looked for his quote before replying. Well done.

re: #167 latingent

General Grant: War is hell, and the worse you make it the sooner it will be over.

That was WT Sherman. War is all hell.

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms that I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling. [...]
"You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride."
--from a letter, dated 12 Sept 1864, by Gen. W.T. Sherman

re: #195 snowcrash

When my son was in the 8th grade, his class went to the Dallas Holocaust Museum after they read Eli Wiesels "Night". He still remembers. Education is the best way to continue that we ALL never forget.

The Dallas Holocaust Museum is very well done and thought provoking.
And right next to the sixth floor museum. I always tell anyone going
to the 6th floor, drop in to the museum around the corner, it will be
a worth while experience, maybe even life changing.

re: #194 brookly red

There are a lot of ways that this could go, & most of em ain't good.

Yeah, I have a bad feeling. No matter how old this kid is , he committed a terrible transgression in the attempted hijacking & holding Captain Phillips.
They were threatening to execute Phillips, I have no sympathy for this kid.

re: #186 NonNativeTexan

That is apparent when it is pointed out that the Nazis were
purveyors of fine art, classical music, etc.. Being (cultured, civilized)
did not inhibit the atrocities.

Being "civilized" meant they were able to murder the Jews with industrial efficiency, instead of hacking at their victims with farm tools.

re: #179 Land Shark

My wife keeps trying to talk me into going on a March of The Living trip where they visit Aushwitz and Israel but I've refused because I know I can't take it. Knowing that so many innocents were slaughtered there would overwhelm me with grief, I'd probably cry like a baby for days. Yep, I'm a woosie.

Think of it this way. It wouldn't be about you. It would be paying your respects to them.

re: #193 jcm

Damn you. I wanted to respond--and did but late.//Sigh.

re: #179 Land Shark
No man,you're human.(and bless you for it.)

re: #203 Boondock St. Bender

You don't put a gun to a hostages head or act in a threatening fashion while under a white flag.A white flag is an appeal to parley,not a"now i can do as i wish with impunity"card.The shoot was clean.

I agree, but I am not the judge... let's see how this goes.

re: #189 Nevergiveup

Charles Barron--NYC council member and loon bat liberal thinks the little piss ant pirate can't get a fair trial here? I'd give him a fair trial before I hung him.

Charles Barron never met a situation he couldn't paint as racist. Yeah, was it racist that the pirate, who happened to be black, threatened to kill the American crew and capture the ship and hold the crew hostage? Or was it that this guy was caught literally red-handed in engaging in piracy, a crime that deserves severe punishment.

re: #205 lawhawk

We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Congo.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Rwanda.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Sudan and Darfur.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing as Mao killed tens of millions.

We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing as Saddam Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands but when the US finally responded by deposing Saddam Hussein, the world and the leftists said - hold the phone.

All these things the UN was supposed to prevent. Useless. Time to dispose of it, since it clearly isn't doing its job.
Now, there are some UN bureaucrats I'd charge with war crimes for letting this go on, though.

Elie Wiesel Verbally Abused as "Zio-Nazi" by Ahmadinejad Entourage at Durban II

BASTARDS!

re: #219 Kosh's Shadow
RE the UN...my avatar says it best.

re: #188 Dustyvet

The UN; Leading the World

In Anti-semitism against Holocaust survivors.

Kaleidoscopic irony from the UN’s Jew-bash bash in Geneva, as the world’s most famous Holocaust survivor suffers the indignity of analogy to the people who murdered his family courtesy of the world’s most famous Holocaust denier and his screeching goons — on Hitler’s birthday

Q. So what did Elie Wiesel do to deserve such treatment at a UN meeting on tolerance?

A. Survive.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

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It's disgusting our tax dollars gave the stage to Wiesel's totalitarian tormentors of today.

Why are we funding forums for fanatics?

re: #208 latingent

Thank you. Grant understood the gravity of war and never belittled it. Maybe I should have looked for his quote before replying. Well done.

Grant is not too quotable. His greatness lay in understanding the fundamental arithmetic; that the Union had far more men and could wage and win a war of attrition against the Confederacy.

Once in Amsterdam I took the boat tour of the canals. The person narrating the trip gave the same speech at each part in Dutch, German, Japanese, and English. The boat stops by the Anne Frank factory. In English the women explained about the thriving Jewish community in Amsterdam before the war and how, in the last census, there are fewer than 100 Jews living in Amsterdam now due to the Nazi's. She then gave the same spiel in German and there were mostly Germans on the boat. They were all listening and actively taking pictures. I often wonder how a German feels in those situations.

Do you think they have totally rationalized it as being in their past such as we have in the US about our treatment of Indians...I wonder.

re: #205 lawhawk

We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Congo.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Rwanda.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in Sudan and Darfur.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing in the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing as Mao killed tens of millions.

We said Never Again, and the world stood by and did nothing as Saddam Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands but when the US finally responded by deposing Saddam Hussein, the world and the leftists said - hold the phone.

Don't forget the hero of all leftists: Joseph Stalin.

re: #221 UberInfidel67

RE the UN...my avatar says it best.

if that should happen to end up on a tee shirt, I am a large...
jus sayin.

Anyone else having trouble loading the link in #123?

re: #207 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, I had exactly the same experience with my friend Susan in nursery school, almost 45 years ago. We've recently gotten back in touch via Facebook.

Count me in as yet another Judeophile Gentile who stands for Israel and the Jewish people, and will not let them pass from history without a fight to the death.

I sometimes wonder whether it would be better if we Jews internalized Holocaust remembrance and memorials.

Many decent non Jews are truly affected and touched by the tragedy and want to share our sorrow. That's an argument for public inclusive memorials.

But so many hypocrites, both individuals and Nations, and political leaders, who would stand by - some gladly - and watch it happen again, participate, that the taint and mockery of their participation not only chills me but makes we wonder if such memorials are a positive or an absurdity.

re: #201 Occasional Reader

But of course tomorrow is Earth Day, and Global Warming is the real Holocaust.

/modern education

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Progressive deflection from Iranian nuclear and antisemitic threats.

re: #177 littleoldlady

we don't even know were my wife's aunts, uncles or cousins died we did meet the one cousin who survived in Israel.

Britain said it will review all weapons exports to Israel following the country's recent war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The timing on Holocaust Day is exquisite ain't it? Kinda like Obama announcing that the PLO Office can stay open on the Eve of Passover? Kinda lets you know what people are really thinking.

re: #222 alegrias

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It's disgusting our tax dollars gave the stage to Wiesel's totalitarian tormentors of today.

Why are we funding forums for fanatics?

It really bothers me that someone in the crowd didn't open up a can of whoop ass on that guy. It was an anti-racism conference not an anti-violence conference. Probably shouldn't say that but I'm really pissed off.

re: #230 taxfreekiller

No More John F. Kerry's.

When they made that son of a bitch, they broke the mold!

re: #231 Opinionated

I sometimes wonder whether it would be better if we Jews internalized Holocaust remembrance and memorials.

Many decent non Jews are truly affected and touched by the tragedy and want to share our sorrow. That's an argument for public inclusive memorials.

But so many hypocrites, both individuals and Nations, and political leaders, who would stand by - some gladly - and watch it happen again, participate, that the taint and mockery of their participation not only chills me but makes we wonder if such memorials are a positive or an absurdity.

We know who they are.

From Hirsch Glick...

Never say that this is the end of the road.
Wherever a drop of our blood fell, there our courage will
grow anew.
This song, written in blood, was sung by a people fighting
for life and freedom.
Our triumph will come and our resounding footsteps will
proclaim "We are here!"

From land of palm-trees to the far-off land of snow.
We shall be coming with our torment, with our woe;
And everywhere our blood has sunk into the earth
Shall our bravery, or vigor blossom forth.

We'll have the morning sun to set our day aglow;
Our evil yesterdays shall vanish with the foe.
But if the time is long before the sun appears,
then let this song go like a signal through the years.

This song was written with our blood, and not with lead;
It's not a song that summer birds sing overhead;
It was a people, amidst burning barricades,
That sang this song of ours with pistols and grenades.

So never say you now go on your last way,
Through darkened skies may now conceal the blue of day,
Because the hour for which we've hungered is so near,
Beneath our feet the earth shall thunder, "We are here!"

re: #205 lawhawk

You're forgetting Haiti, Serbia, Cuba, and Mumbai. For me, the real tragedy doesn't come from trying and failing to prevent the atrocities. It comes from preventing one only to see another that you could not stop in time.

re: #237 Dustyvet

When they made that son of a bitch, they broke the mold!

and he put in for a Purple Heart because of it!

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

Forgot the Roma (Gypsies) in my litany of victims. Thanks for the reminder.

re: #227 brookly red
...or bumper stickers...or coffee mugs...etc.

Other Sherman quotes:

“If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world but I am sure we would be getting reports from hell before breakfast

.”

“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster”

The Man was prescient.

For far too many Mohammedeans, the Shoah is a subject for public denial, and private fantasy.

Never again.

Am Yisrael Chai!

re: #218 lawhawk

Charles Barron never met a situation he couldn't paint as racist. Yeah, was it racist that the pirate, who happened to be black, threatened to kill the American crew and capture the ship and hold the crew hostage? Or was it that this guy was caught literally red-handed in engaging in piracy, a crime that deserves severe punishment.

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What racism that Barron guy practices. Many of hardworking hostages amongst the Alabama ship's crew were black, latino, multi-ethnic & multinational.

re: #240 ConservatismNow!

You're forgetting Haiti, Serbia, Cuba, and Mumbai. For me, the real tragedy doesn't come from trying and failing to prevent the atrocities. It comes from preventing one only to see another that you could not stop in time.

The tragedy, and the shame, is that no one is really trying. Least of all the UN.

re: #133 Nevergiveup

Kuby might be a leftist, but he is a GOOD lawyer.

He also knows that the islamists are a real threat.

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

Bravo, Buzz.

re: #205 lawhawk

Bizarrely enough, one of the few countries that can lay claim to having stopped a genocide in modern times is... Vietnam, with their invasion of Cambodia in 1975. (Not that their motives were exactly pure, or their hands exactly spotless.)

re: #234 yochanan

One of my mother's brothers was in the Czech army, and was lost in the retreat to Russia.

Most of the others...my mother and two of her sisters watched as they went to the gas chambers.

Did you know that in studying children of survivors the shrinks learned that PTSD can be inherited?

/which probably explains why I'm only borderline normal. ;-)

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

He also knows that the islamists are a real threat.

After listening to him and Curtis for years, I grew to kinda respect him. He is way to the left but he is not one of them crazies.

re: #235 Nevergiveup

Britain said it will review all weapons exports to Israel following the country's recent war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The timing on Holocaust Day is exquisite ain't it? Kinda like Obama announcing that the PLO Office can stay open on the Eve of Passover? Kinda lets you know what people are really thinking.

If Britain stops shipment of weapons to Israel, the US should prosecute all British weapons companies in the US under the anti-boycott laws. And that means terminating all defense contracts with such companies, ESPECIALLY for systems that the US sells to Israel.
And force the British to give US companies the specs for all systems, including manufacturing information.
Actually, just threatening this would send a message to Britain.
However, I'm not going to hold my breath that 0bama does so.

re: #247 alegrias

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What racism that Barron guy practices. Many of hardworking hostages amongst the Alabama ship's crew were black, latino, multi-ethnic & multinational.

Is Chalres Barron the guy who said the pirate should not be tried in the U.S., and should be tried by the U.N., and given leniency?

re: #254 Nevergiveup

After listening to him and Curtis for years, I grew to kinda respect him. He is way to the left but he is not one of them crazies.

he just works for them...

re: #246 taxfreekiller

answer:

Two Party "dumb as dirt" evil money cult in Washington D.C..

question:

WTF are we doing in the f'n thug ass U.N. and paying the f'n freight for that bunch of shit holes?

Another UN sponsored Conference that loses credibility the first day..
They have got to be setting a global record for ineptitude...
going to need a microscope soon to find a shred of cred

Perhaps one of the most insidious elements of Holocaust denial that I've noticed is how it seems to be gathering steam as the generation that can confront them and say 'Yes there was- I was there' is dying off from old age.

And I'm not sure how common this is elsewhere, but remember a few years ago when you had commenters in the Arab press lamenting that 'Hitler didn't finish what he started'? And now- not even five years later, the Nazis didn't even start anything to 'finish'.

re: #256 Racer X

Is Chalres Barron the guy who said the pirate should not be tried in the U.S., and should be tried by the U.N., and given leniency?

Yes