Civil War Raging in Right-Wing Blogosphere

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And all because I refuse to go insane like so many others have: Civil War Raging in Right-Wing Blogosphere.

I’ll just deal with one of the lies contained in the quotes in this article:

“He chose to portray the Brussels Conference as evil and he unconscionably slandered the people who attended,” said Dymphna, one of the editors of Gates of Vienna.

Fact: my very first post about this conference contained no attacks on any of these people, no “slander,” and absolutely did not “portray the conference as evil.” In fact, it was a pretty mild warning about the participation of Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats. Here’s the post in its entirety:

A coalition of Europeans and Americans is organizing to resist Islamization.

UPDATE at 10/19/07 2:06:09 pm:

It’s important to note that not all the people who are hitching a ride on the anti-Islamization movement are doing it for honorable reasons. There are serious issues around the participation of Filip Dewinter (of the ultra-nationalist Vlaams Belang party, successor to Vlaams Blok). And LGF reader “Dave of Sweden” points out another problematic member:

Unfortunately, the Swedish representative Ekeroth is a member of a pretty vile party called Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden democrats), which was originally an openly racist organization. Recently they’ve tried to put up a different facade, but I’m not convinced.

UPDATE at 10/19/07 4:04:49 pm:

Some readers are taking issue with “Dave of Sweden’s” characterization of Sverigedemokraterna. In the interest of fairness, here’s their website so readers can investigate their current policies for themselves: Sverigedemokraterna.

In return for urging reasonable caution over the participation of bad people in the conference, Pamela Geller launched her first vicious, over the top attack, and was quickly joined by the other so-called “anti-jihadists” in a smear campaign that continues to this day. Geller has written on her blog that I’m “a traitor” who deserves to be “flogged in public,” and she has posted videos comparing me to Adolf Hitler (Robert Spencer joined her in this). The sheer hatefulness directed at me that continues to be posted at her site, Gates of Vienna, and Jihad Watch speaks for itself.

If their reaction had not been so absurdly vehement and nasty, I might not have been so motivated to dig into the history and associations of the Vlaams Belang and other Eurofascist groups. But the ugly reaction raised my curiosity; what were they afraid of? And the more I researched and learned about these groups, the more appalled I was that people like Geller and Gates of Vienna were trying to cover up the truth about them by attacking me.

So in an ironic way, these people have only themselves to blame for the facts that have come to light about their newfound friends on the European far right.

UPDATE at 4/21/09 3:56:22 pm:

Even today, Gates of Vienna continues to pimp the Vlaams Belang, and their leaders, Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke.

A reminder, since they’re obviously hoping that people will forget: in February 2007, during a visit to the United States in which they met with numerous extreme right wing personalities (including Pat Buchanan), Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke appeared on “The Political Cesspool,” an openly white supremacist radio show, promoted at the website of David Duke: Vlaams Belang and the US White Supremacist Cesspool.

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806 comments
1 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:15:30pm

Facts are stubborn things.

2 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:15:48pm

Are the heads sploding?

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:17:07pm

Level-headed.

Hi Shar! 'Sup Hawk?!

4 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:17:08pm

It is also ironic, being as today is Holocaust Memorial Day, that Pamela would choose to both memorialize the day and at the same time support those who are the ideological heirs of those who perpetrated the Holocaust.

5 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:17:49pm

re: #2 CyanSnowHawk

Are the heads sploding?

If they aren't now, they soon will be. It'll be another mess like Saturday night.

6 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:17:51pm
7 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:17:55pm

For anyone new to this controversy:

tag search for vlaams belang

tag search for eurofascism

8 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:19:21pm

Civil war...hmmmm I wonder how Charles would look with a beard,and a big ole'stogie hanging out of his mouth.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:19:54pm

I still have this problem of fighting those who want to kill me and my kind by allying with others who want to kill me and my kind.
It is hard enough to pay attention to one enemy; never mind watch my back as well.

10 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:19:58pm

Dang...and I just cleaned exploded head bits from this past weekend out of the waffle of my boots.

11 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:20:12pm

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

It is also ironic, being as today is Holocaust Memorial Day, that Pamela would choose to both memorialize the day and at the same time support those who are the ideological heirs of those who perpetrated the Holocaust.


Ironic is the mildest word for it. Try: [deleted]

Oh, well. Ironic it is.

12 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow
In the LGF foxhole we got your back brother.

13 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:21:47pm

re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Level-headed.

Hi Shar! 'Sup Hawk?!

I should have known not to put much time an effort into a rather long comment on the previous thread. It went up less than a minute before Charles posted this one.

Ban Ki-Moon and the Ban Ki-Senshi

14 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:22:55pm

re: #12 Boondock St. Bender

In the LGF foxhole we got your back brother.

That's why I stay here and not at some of the other [redacted] sites.

15 turn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:23:24pm

Hey why didn't that Weigel guy make that video a live link. Can anybody help turn out?

16 Rednek  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:23:30pm

In other news:

Texas Man Settles Discrimination Lawsuit Against Hooters Restaurant Chain

A Texas man has reportedly settled a class action lawsuit against Hooters for refusing to hire men as food servers.

Nikolai Grushevski filed a complaint against Hooters of America in January alleging its Corpus Christi franchisee would not hire him as a waiter because the position was being limited to females by an employer "who merely wishes to exploit female sexuality as a marketing tool to attract customers and insure profitability."

Serving food at Hooters?
I didn't think men in Texas did this sort of thing.

17 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:24:06pm

People who support the right need to wake up and kick these creeps to the curb. If they think Charles is being harsh, wait until elections come around. Anyone with links to these groups will be blasted out of the water by those on the left.

Get ready for 10 years of Democrats in charge.

18 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:24:08pm
“Not only that,” said Bodissey, “he made it harder for certain American anti-jihad groups to raise funds if they failed to repudiate his designated ‘fascist-enablers’ like us.”

Well- at least there's a hint of honesty. Charles made their money go buh-bye.

Keep up the great work, Charles.

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #13 CyanSnowHawk

Don'tcha hate it when that happens!

20 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:24:19pm

Of course, in honor of today, Gates of Vienna has a post up defending the Vlaams Belang. It's enough to make one throw up.

21 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:24:44pm

it's done...they have turned and there is little to be done for it now

22 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:24:49pm

The Simon Wiesenthal Center has made alleged death camp guard John Demjanjuk No. 1 on its most-wanted list of Nazi war criminals

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

In related news, the US Justice Department asked a federal appeals court to dismiss a stay of deportation to Germany for alleged Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk.

I can't believe this fuck is still in the country?

23 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:25:40pm

re: #16 Rednek

In other news:

Texas Man Settles Discrimination Lawsuit Against Hooters Restaurant Chain

Serving food at Hooters?
I didn't think men in Texas did this sort of thing.

I guess it's a way to get friendly with the ladies at Hooters?

24 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:26:00pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don'tcha hate it when that happens!

Yes. I also hate when meetings interrupt my LGF time. Later all.

25 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:26:23pm

re: #13 CyanSnowHawk

Don't feel bad- I posted from memory (as best I could from 15 years ago) dialogue from a skit from the short-lived Ben Stiller Show featuring Jeanine Garafalo as a below-average student who time-travels....about 30 seconds before finding the actual skit archived on YouTube.

26 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:27:25pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

To quote a wonderful passage from Dorothy Dunnett:

"And if they have to be keeping an eye on you, as well, there will be a bunch of skelly-eyed Scotsmen knocking at St. Peter's gate."

27 tarkus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:27:40pm

Charles you are correct about this issue as you are on most things. your instincts have served you and us very well. You are interested in decency and call out hatred and idiocy anywhere you find it. Keep doing what you are doing, charles, we have your back....

28 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:28:03pm

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

It is also ironic, being as today is Holocaust Memorial Day, that Pamela would choose to both memorialize the day and at the same time support those who are the ideological heirs of those who perpetrated the Holocaust.

Moonbats inhabit a world of cognitive dissonance.

29 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:28:59pm

You don't have controversy on the left because nobody over there seems to care what the loons say. Call people the vilest names, make the most outrageous accusations and it just doesn't matter.

30 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:29:14pm

It is right to be fighting this battle,both against the racists,and domesticlly against the loonier elements of the right.this struggle should be fought now,and not later during an election cycle.by then it will be too late.I can't say any more about how proud i am to call LGF my net.home,and all of you kindred spirits.

31 pegcity  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:29:22pm

their sure is alot of "kill the muslims" type conversations on Jihadwatch these days

seems to be a BNP hangout now

32 pegcity  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:30:08pm

is LGF right wing?

i never really considered it to be anything but anti idiotarian

33 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:30:11pm

o/~ stuck in the middle with you o/~

34 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:30:13pm

I wonder how many "Hooray for Hitler" posts had to be deleted on Monday? (I saw several on Stormfront)

35 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:30:13pm

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Of course, in honor of today, Gates of Vienna has a post up defending the Vlaams Belang. It's enough to make one throw up.

Altas Mugged did the same thing yesterday. Tried to deny racism and neofascism in Vlaams Belang. Even if it was true, it wouldnt excuse them playing footsies with BNP, FN, or the rest of that Old-Europe rogues gallery.

36 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:30:39pm

re: #24 CyanSnowHawk

Yes. I also hate when meetings interrupt my LGF time. Later all.

Especially when those meetings are 5:30-6:30, like mine.

37 turn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:31:16pm

This is what the turnwife would call a "juicy" story but turn has to go walk the lab along the American. Keep up the good fight Charles. I'm going to hit the tip jar tomorrow, actually got my CA tax refund the other day.

38 Rednek  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:32:41pm

re: #31 pegcity

their sure is alot of "kill the muslims" type conversations on Jihadwatch these days

seems to be a BNP hangout now

It nauseates me to even talk about talk like that.

I would rather discuss important issues like this.

Fox News...ya gotta luv'em

39 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:32:50pm
“There is no global movement of Christians trying to subjugate the world,” Spencer said. “There is such a movement on the extreme of Islam. I wrote a book called ‘Religion of Peace’ — which Johnson wrote a favorable review of — and I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.”

robert spencer is a liar or completely incapable of research. I'll let readers decide for themselves.

Just a simple internet search can one quickly find such items as Christian Identity, Christian Reconstructionism, and Dominionism.

40 Shug  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:33:01pm

In this civil war, Charles is Abe Lincoln.

41 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:33:08pm

re: #32 pegcity
we do have a high number of republicans but yes you are correct.

42 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:33:44pm

re: #38 Rednek

It nauseates me to even talk about talk like that.

I would rather discuss important issues like this.

Fox News...ya gotta luv'em

the blonde looks like a friggin linebacker

43 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:33:56pm
44 pegcity  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:34:12pm

re: #42 albusteve

thats what ya get for being the offspring of Hulk Hogan

45 simonml  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:34:34pm

re: #40 Shug

In this civil war, Charles is Abe Lincoln.

Pres. Obama = Pres. Abraham Lincoln = Charles Johnson? My head hurts...

/

46 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:35:00pm

re: #40 Shug
I was thinking U.S. Grant...but i"ll give you Lincoln.

47 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:35:03pm

re: #44 pegcity

thats what ya get for being the offspring of Hulk Hogan

Hulk's spawn?...well whatdaya know

48 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:36:50pm

re: #46 Boondock St. Bender

I was thinking U.S. Grant...but i"ll give you Lincoln.

Jefferson?
Plato?
Newman?

49 MPH  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:37:13pm

In the article, Spencer is quoted as saying:
I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law.

It is disingenuous to say he's never heard of the Constitution Party (Chuck Baldwin and co.) religious supremacists...the type of people who write at VDARE or Stormfront.

50 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:37:22pm
51 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:38:07pm

dibs on the title general sherman of the blogosphere

52 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:38:08pm

re: #47 albusteve
The "hulkster"procreated...god,could you just imagine that pillow talk......

53 researchok  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:38:52pm

Charles is politically and intellectually consistent.

His accusers cannot make the same claim, by their words or actions. It is they and not he who has a credibility issue.

54 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:39:05pm

re: #52 Boondock St. Bender

The "hulkster"procreated...god,could you just imagine that pillow talk......

no

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:39:44pm

re: #50 axegrinder

Did you link what you meant to link?

Shoot. It worked perfectly for me. Sorry. Hope it gets deleted...

Sorry Charles. Please get rid of it!

56 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:39:57pm

re: #38 Rednek

OK, here's CNN's offering for the day, instead.

57 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:40:04pm

re: #53 researchok

Charles is politically and intellectually consistent.

His accusers cannot make the same claim, by their words or actions. It is they and not he who has a credibility issue.

he's like the Derk Jeter of blogball

58 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:40:14pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

“There is no global movement of Christians trying to subjugate the world,” Spencer said. “There is such a movement on the extreme of Islam. I wrote a book called ‘Religion of Peace’ — which Johnson wrote a favorable review of — and I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.”

robert spencer is a liar or completely incapable of research. I'll let readers decide for themselves.

Just a simple internet search can one quickly find such items as Christian Identity, Christian Reconstructionism, and Dominionism.

Absolutely. This is what Spencer has become, an apologist for extremists.

One of the Republican candidates for president openly advocated amending the US Constitution to be "in line with God's standards."

Is Mike Huckabee "a myth?"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

59 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:40:26pm

re: #49 MPH

In the article, Spencer is quoted as saying:
I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law.

It is disingenuous to say he's never heard of the Constitution Party (Chuck Baldwin and co.) religious supremacists...the type of people who write at VDARE or Stormfront.

I agree. Many of the people he's trying not to mention come up when looking into the money trails of creationist organizations. It's so false on it's face, it can only be intentional, imo.

60 simonml  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:40:33pm

re: #53 researchok

Charles is politically and intellectually consistent.

His accusers cannot make the same claim, by their words or actions. It is they and not he who has a credibility issue.

That's what I always like about LGF. Charles does not make use of hyperbole as much as other places on the web. His site gets traffic because he makes poignant, cogent arguments regardless of political stance. If people hate you for that Charles, then you can not invite them to your birthday party! Keep on keepin' on!

61 callahan23  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:40:52pm

re: #26 Dianna

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

To quote a wonderful passage from Dorothy Dunnett:

"And if they have to be keeping an eye on you, as well, there will be a bunch of skelly-eyed Scotsmen knocking at St. Peter's gate."

To paraphrase that to our lirardly needs:

"And if they have to be keeping an eye on you, as well, there will be a bunch army of slid-eyed Lizards guarding their own."

Hope I made clear to be at the ready. ;-)

62 simonml  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:41:40pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Worked for me, but only the second time. First time was very NSFW

63 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:42:01pm

re: #51 spacejesus

dibs on the title general sherman of the blogosphere

"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards." -- General Abrams.

64 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:42:13pm

Civil War on the Right? It wasn't LGF that fired first. Charles rightfully called into question those groups that would call themselves allies. Then civility went out the window with sanity a close second.

65 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:42:44pm

re: #52 Boondock St. Bender

The "hulkster"procreated...god,could you just imagine that pillow talk......

'What are you gonna do when Hulkamania's coming for you...!?'

/ducks

66 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:43:23pm
67 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:44:14pm

re: #51 spacejesus

dibs on the title general sherman of the blogosphere

you couldn't even shine mcclellan's boots

/take all the time you need to look it up

68 BlueCanuck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:44:21pm

re: #64 Idle Drifter

Civil War on the Right? It wasn't LGF that fired first. Charles rightfully called into question those groups that would call themselves allies. Then civility went out the window with sanity a close second.

I don't think they were sane to begin with....

69 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:44:40pm

re: #66 taxfreekiller

On a postive/negative point 99% of lgf's posters can agree on.

5 years ago, New York Times stock price. Close to $50.00 per share.

Todays New York Times stock price. Just under $5.00.

so five years from now,,, 00.05 cents per share or what?

Either 0 (gone) or back up when someone else buys it and puts in a real group of reporters. Most lizards would be better than what they have now.

70 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:44:43pm
71 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:44:59pm

re: #59 Sharmuta

I agree. Many of the people he's trying not to mention come up when looking into the money trails of creationist organizations. It's so false on it's face, it can only be intentional, imo.

I seem to remember the blond woman pictured at the top of this page making some comment about invading nations and converting Muslims to Christianity. Maybe she recanted that opinion but if she did I missed it.

72 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #66 taxfreekiller

On a postive/negative point 99% of lgf's posters can agree on.

5 years ago, New York Times stock price. Close to $50.00 per share.

Todays New York Times stock price. Just under $5.00.

so five years from now,,, 00.05 cents per share or what?

NYT Stock certificate in 5 years?
Memorabilia on eBay.

73 brookly red  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:45:31pm

re: #58 Charles

Thank you. I did not know that about Huckabee.

74 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:46:11pm

re: #66 taxfreekiller
That pinchy is one shrewd buisnessman.

75 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:46:19pm

OY/OT

Robert Bork (who was "borked" by savage dems to keep him off the Supreme Court) on Fox News Cable.

76 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:46:32pm

re: #73 brookly red

Thank you. I did not know that about Huckabee.

he is not a myth the squirrels tremble in their nests at the sound of his approach

/

77 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:46:55pm
78 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:47:27pm
79 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:47:33pm

re: #72 jcm

NYT Stock certificate in 5 years?
Memorabilia on eBay.

Pretty soon they'll be gov't subsidized. They'll be the printed NPR. Oh wait, they already are.

80 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:47:48pm

re: #76 OldLineTexan

he is not a myth the squirrels tremble in their nests at the sound of his approach

/

I love the sound of a popcorn popper in the morning....
It sounds like breakfast!

/huck

81 Shug  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:48:06pm

Old Geller and Spencer for Hire are on the wrong side of history.

82 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:48:38pm

join hugo's book club the first volume is free then examine additional volumes sent to you once a month for ten days with no obligation to buy

83 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:49:48pm

re: #81 Shug
Their pride,arrogance,and out and out stupidity won't let them see it.

84 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:50:10pm

re: #82 OldLineTexan

join hugo's book club the first volume is free then examine additional volumes sent to you once a month for ten days with no obligation to buy

Join today and get a free barrel of oil!

85 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:50:14pm

re: #58 Charles


I suspected something was up on Huckabee when Rolling Stone enthusiaistically endorsed him the the era of B.0. [Before 0bama]. The write-up had some of the similar arguments I've heard from the Paulians for their guy ('oh sure...he may seem a bit out there, but her has some good ideas').

Knowing Rolling Stone's editorial leanings, I imagine they wanted Huckabee at the fore of the GOP so that he'd be easier to knock down than a Gulliani, McCain or Romney for whoever the got the DNC nod.

86 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #80 jcm

I love the sound of a popcorn popper in the morning....
It sounds like breakfast!

/huck

* * * **
Someone who would eat squirrel cooked in his popcorn popper, is probably too proud to go on the public dole if he can feed himself and keep his dignity.

I think it's resourceful to eat squirrel as Huckabee claims to have done, given squirrels are a renewable resource.

87 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:51:43pm

re: #84 HelloDare

Join today and get a free barrel of oil!

for your hair

88 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:52:09pm

re: #52 Boondock St. Bender

The "hulkster"procreated...god,could you just imagine that pillow talk......

His wife is/was a big lady too. Not fat, but very curvy.

89 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #86 alegrias

Soylent Squirrel?

90 pegcity  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:52:40pm

re: #88 ConservatismNow!

ex wife now, shes dating a 19 year old, gross

91 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:53:06pm

re: #90 pegcity

ex wife now, shes dating a 19 year old, gross

gross for who?

92 eddiebear  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:53:12pm

Sadly, I have missed much of this, but this makes the Goldstein-Patterico fight look like childs play.

Atlas has exposed herself as a racist and intolerant bigot, all the while invoking the "if you aren't with me, you are against me" tone of too many on the left.

Sigh.

93 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:53:51pm

re: #89 Fenway_Nation

Soylent Squirrel?

* * **
Sorry I don't understand that reference.

I do respect people working their way up and striving in America.

94 eddiebear  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:54:13pm

Sorry, it's just been a while since I have been over here. I have been busy at some of the AoS spin off sites.

95 pegcity  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:55:31pm

re: #91 ConservatismNow!

both

96 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:57:03pm

Here's the tag search on GoV

These lovely folks published an essay waxing poetic on violent fascist fantasies, and they want readers to feel sorry for them that they've lost money because of big, bad Charles and his flashlight. Sorry, but the world's smallest violin is at the shop.

97 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:57:59pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

Here's the tag search on GoV

These lovely folks published an essay waxing poetic on violent fascist fantasies, and they want readers to feel sorry for them that they've lost money because of big, bad Charles and his flashlight. Sorry, but the world's smallest violin is at the shop.

Well, have KT step it up. IT'S NEEDED!

/

98 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:58:33pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

robert spencer is a liar or completely incapable of research. I'll let readers decide for themselves.

Just a simple internet search can one quickly find such items as Christian Identity, Christian Reconstructionism, and Dominionism.

I just read those 3 links and two of them are decried , e.g., Christian Identity - "....most modern Christian denominations and organizations denounce Christian Identity as heresy and condemn the use of the Christian Bible as a basis for promoting anti-Semitism" ; Christian Reconstructionism - "Although relatively insignificant in terms of the number of self-described adherents, Christian Reconstructionism has played a role in promoting the trend toward explicitly Christian politics in the larger U.S. Christian Right.", or strongly criticized - Dominionism...."Journalist Stanley Kurtz labeled it "conspiratorial nonsense," "political paranoia," and "guilt by association,"[36] and decried Hedges' "vague characterizations" that allow him to "paint a highly questionable picture of a virtually faceless and nameless 'Dominionist' Christian mass."[37] Kurtz also complained about a perceived link between average Christian evangelicals and extremism such as Christian Reconstructionism:

The notion that conservative Christians want to reinstitute slavery and rule by genocide is not just crazy, it's downright dangerous. The most disturbing part of the Harper's cover story (the one by Chris Hedges) was the attempt to link Christian conservatives with Hitler and fascism. Once we acknowledge the similarity between conservative Christians and fascists, Hedges appears to suggest, we can confront Christian evil by setting aside 'the old polite rules of democracy.' So wild conspiracy theories and visions of genocide are really excuses for the Left to disregard the rules of democracy and defeat conservative Christians — by any means necessary.[36]


I'm not a fundamentalist by any means. If anything, I'm a poorly practicing Catholic whose faith is deeply personal and private. That having been said, I'm also generally observant and I honestly can't see the level of threat that you seem to indicate. Granted there are nuts out there but you will find them in any population grouping. There are strong safeguards in place under our Constitution that will prevent this country ever becoming a theocracy. I've lived in a theocracy, Saudi Arabia, and we are light years away from anything like that...thankfully.

99 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:59:11pm

Crazy Pamela has a thread up about how the FBI is infiltrating the Tea Parties.....

I have a very reliable law enforcement contact that informed me of the FBI presence on the same day at the TEA Parties, the evening of April 15th.

He stated there were 8 to 15 FBI agents that had blended into the TEA Parties, a few of them held signs and struck up conversations.


Lol

100 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:59:14pm

re: #91 ConservatismNow!
Personally,folks should date in their age bracket.(which does grow wider as you age)Either sex robbing the cradle strikes me as creepy.(but,thats just me)

101 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:59:17pm

minimum life for Jolly Rodger if convicted of the piracy charge...watch the verbal gymkatta...he's not a pirate, he's a repressed street munchkin looking for food....bet me

102 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:00:00pm

re: #67 OldLineTexan

One thousand updings for you, if only I had them.

103 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:00:01pm

So if Storm Front changed it's name and said it was now focused on "The Islamic Threat" we're supposed to look the other way? Bleh.

And shame on geller and Spencer for being such blindered fools.

104 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:00:13pm

The Civil War is tiresome, but Charles does have to defend himself from these ridiculous accusations. That he takes it a step further and continues to expose the extremist ties of his critics is a valuable public service that should be applauded.

105 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:00:35pm

re: #81 Shug

Old Geller and Spencer for Hire are on the wrong side of history.

Whenever I see Pamela Geller dipped in gold at her website I think of this:

106 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:00:44pm

The Sob Stories Start.......

Pirate comes to NY, world away from home in Africa

Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse grew up destitute in Somalia, the product of a violent, lawless nation where his mother scraped together a few dollars a day selling milk and tending to a small herd of camels, cows and goats.

For entertainment, he would frequent a run-down outdoor cinema and watch Bollywood movies in a town with no running water or electricity. He eventually joined up with a gang of pirates who laid siege to an American cargo ship and took the captain hostage. The standoff ended last week with three of the pirates killed by U.S. Navy snipers. Muse survived but was stabbed in the hand with an ice pick.

On Tuesday, the teenager found himself a world away from the dusty tenements and pirate ships of Somalia, appearing in a packed federal courtroom in New York on what are believed to be the first piracy charges in the U.S. in more than a century.

The 5-foot-2 Muse looked bewildered and so scrawny that his prison clothes were several sizes too big. He had a frayed white bandage where he was stabbed.

Ahhh, HE'S A FUCKING PIRATE CAUGHT HOLDING AN AMERICAN AT GUN POINT!

107 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:02:23pm

re: #106 jcm

Even Better. Kuby is supposed to be volunteering his service because Muse was arrested whilst carrying a flag of truce.

108 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:02:34pm

re: #106 jcm


The 5-foot-2 Muse looked bewildered and so scrawny that his prison clothes were several sizes too big. He had a frayed white bandage where he was stabbed.

The poor kid. Give him his AK-47 back. /

109 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:02:40pm

re: #98 LGoPs

You missed my point. robert spencer would have you believe they're a myth all together. They're not. I am in no way comparing them to any other threat, nor am I trying to tar any other Christian denominations. I'm just pointing out their existence, and the ease of finding them just in an internet search, which robert apparently is incapable of doing.

110 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:02:57pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pamela has a thread up about how the FBI is infiltrating the Tea Parties.....


Lol

If the Tea Parties are so popular with Stormfronters, wouldn't you expect the FBI to be interested?

111 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:03:01pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

She got that chain email too?

112 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:03:04pm

re: #106 jcm
scrawny enough to take a cargo ship

113 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:03:24pm

re: #106 jcm

The Sob Stories Start.......

Pirate comes to NY, world away from home in Africa


Ahhh, HE'S A FUCKING PIRATE CAUGHT HOLDING AN AMERICAN AT GUN POINT!

He's not a pirate he's an overseas naval contingency detainee...

114 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:03:46pm

"Wait a minute now, I didn't authorize ATTACKS on the pirates, I authorized A TAX on the pirates."
- Barack Obama

115 Phocid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:03:59pm

I have a theory. Europe has a problem that Americans don't have: American was founded on the principles of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, these principles are what holds us together--the nations of Europe were founded on nationalities. Nationalities imply groups classified by ethnicity, language and race. Under pressure that's what they instinctively fall back on, especially now that Christianity has lost its appeal for the majority of Europeans. Look at Europe now, without our founding principles they allow their freedoms to be taken away by their own governments and when the Barbarians are at the gate what do they have as a philosophical center? Ethnicity and race. Sad.

116 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:04:15pm

re: #113 Leonidas Hoplite

He's not a pirate he's an overseas naval contingency detainee...

He's not a pirate he's a volunteer Somalian Coast Guard crewman ...

117 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:05:30pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan

If the Tea Parties are so popular with Stormfronters, wouldn't you expect the FBI to be interested?

Both TEA parties I went to had cops taking pictures of the crowd. As they should. Any such event is bound to bring out the crazies. That doesn't deminish the actions of 99% of the people attending but recoginizes that Crazies Happen.

118 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:05:34pm

One thing that I wish this article did was to write an honest background on these parties and individuals that Charles refused to associate with. I'm not suggesting taking sides, but at least, informing the readers that Charles criticism did not come just like this. It was based on facts.

119 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:05:38pm

re: #113 Leonidas Hoplite

He's not a pirate he's an overseas naval contingency detainee...

The decision by the federal government to bring Muse to justice here has thrust the skinny teenager into the international spotlight, and raised legal questions about whether the U.S. is going too far in trying to make an example of someone so young.

From the story

120 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:05:40pm

re: #106 jcm

The Sob Stories Start.......

Pirate comes to NY, world away from home in Africa

Ahhh, HE'S A FUCKING PIRATE CAUGHT HOLDING AN AMERICAN AT GUN POINT!

Bewildered my left butt cheek! The footage I saw if him he was grinning like he just won the lottery. Wheeee! I'm in New York City!

121 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:05:55pm

re: #102 Leonidas Hoplite

Why, thankee. D'you suppose he's still looking?

/

122 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:06:04pm

re: #116 OldLineTexan


He's none of those! I keep tellin' ya, he's an Aquatic Somali Community Activist!

/Duh!

123 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:06:23pm

re: #107 Quilly Mammoth

Even Better. Kuby is supposed to be volunteering his service because Muse was arrested whilst carrying a flag of truce.

Yeah, he negotiated his surrender. He's alive ain't he?

A white flag obviates the crime? WTF?

124 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:06:50pm

Look. It's a Pamela Geller hood ornament. Just like at her website. But it's in chrome not gold.

125 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:07:21pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan


If the Tea Parties are so popular with Stormfronters, wouldn't you expect the FBI to be interested?


I'm sure the feds are watching the people they need to watch. If they go to protests the feds will watch them there too. Although something like 70% of Stormfront readers said they attended Parties, they are a very small group. From the Stormfront accounts I read most of the guys went by themselves, one guy went with his mom. A Tea Party with one Nazi is hardly a concern for the FBI.

126 EaterOfFood  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:07:25pm

You're being compared to Hitler by people who would gladly recreate his acts on a different group (that happened to have genocidal anti-semitism in common with Hitler). What an age we live in.

127 Soona'  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:07:36pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pamela has a thread up about how the FBI is infiltrating the Tea Parties.....


Lol

Go ahead and laugh, Killgore. There probably were FBI agents at the tea parties----either participating or investigating. The events were on the up and up anyway, so I had no need to worry one way or the other.

128 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:08:25pm

re: #123 jcm


Some Fedayeen ambushed U.S. Marines in the opening days of OIF by feigning surrender.

129 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:08:31pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

OK, I have favorited this.

130 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:09:36pm

Eeeeeck. I have Anti-Christ Karma. Help!

131 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:09:37pm

re: #124 HelloDare

Look. It's a Pamela Geller hood ornament. Just like at her website. But it's in chrome not gold.

Putting her breast foot forward.

132 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:09:39pm

re: #124 HelloDare

Look. It's a Pamela Geller hood ornament. Just like at her website. But it's in chrome not gold.

Now that's what I call putting your best assets forward...

133 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:09:42pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I'm sure the feds are watching the people they need to watch. If they go to protests the feds will watch them there too. Although something like 70% of Stormfront readers said they attended Parties, they are a very small group. From the Stormfront accounts I read most of the guys went by themselves, one guy went with his mom. A Tea Party with one Nazi is hardly a concern for the FBI.

but you don't know that til you get there...maybe they are checking out the Paulbots as well...and all the other fascist kooks they say attend these events

134 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:09:44pm

Gotta go, but I'll check back later. The grandson is on his way back to the hospital.

135 Simply Me  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:09:59pm

Hey Charles,

I used to think you might be being a bit harsh about Glenn Beck, not having actually watched his show in a year or so. But I kept reading your posts and you convinced me.

Then my husband told me yesterday that he had been invited to be a guest on the show. I said "please don't do it." This morning my husband and I watched a bit of the show he had recorded from yesterday evening. He said, "He seems a lot like Rachel Maddow." He meant the humorous/ sarcastic extreme facial expressions. I said "Yes, but she gets away with it because she is a leftist." And he added "And a woman."

Then he called back the producer and asked some questions. And got dis-invited. Yea!

So thank you, Charles, for the good info on this.

136 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:10:06pm

re: #131 jcm

Putting her breast foot forward.

Beat me to it.

137 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:10:35pm

re: #130 LGoPs

Eeeeeck. I have Anti-Christ Karma. Help!

Okay, I down-digned you. Now, never say anything of merit again and you'll be safe.

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #106 jcm

The Sob Stories Start.......

Pirate comes to NY, world away from home in Africa

Ahhh, HE'S A FUCKING PIRATE CAUGHT HOLDING AN AMERICAN AT GUN POINT!

He will be released and get a job at the POTC attraction at Disney World. Maybe even get a date with Keria Knightley (or Johnny Depp, depending on his preference)

139 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:11:06pm

I simply cannot believe Obama announces the prosecution of Bush administration officials for water boarding while he is with the King of Jordan. His groveling among the Muslims is simply mind boggling.

140 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:11:13pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I'm sure the feds are watching the people they need to watch. If they go to protests the feds will watch them there too. Although something like 70% of Stormfront readers said they attended Parties, they are a very small group. From the Stormfront accounts I read most of the guys went by themselves, one guy went with his mom. A Tea Party with one Nazi is hardly a concern for the FBI.

Of course, the same people screaming like banshees about the FBI monitoring tea parties were applauding enthusiastically when the FBI monitored left wing protests.

141 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:11:18pm

re: #137 nikis-knight

Okay, I down-digned you. Now, never say anything of merit again and you'll be safe.

Sheesh....
:)

142 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:11:18pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I'm sure the feds are watching the people they need to watch. If they go to protests the feds will watch them there too. Although something like 70% of Stormfront readers said they attended Parties, they are a very small group. From the Stormfront accounts I read most of the guys went by themselves, one guy went with his mom. A Tea Party with one Nazi is hardly a concern for the FBI.

The FBI will only show up is a Stormfront guy decides to show up? Do they stake out their houses & tail them?

143 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:11:42pm

re: #119 pat

whether the U.S. is going too far in trying to make an example of someone so young

Yeah, he's the one that didn't get a .50 caliber sniper bullet through him - poor baby! He's so unlucky to be well cared for by those damn generous Americans! He might get vaccinations! Three square meals a day! An environmentally controlled living space! Television - cable or even satellite! He might even get the beginnings of an education - a wait, if it's in a public school then that would be mean...

/

144 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:12:26pm

re: #115 Phocid

I have a theory. Europe has a problem that Americans don't have: American was founded on the principles of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, these principles are what holds us together--the nations of Europe were founded on nationalities. Nationalities imply groups classified by ethnicity, language and race. Under pressure that's what they instinctively fall back on, especially now that Christianity has lost its appeal for the majority of Europeans. Look at Europe now, without our founding principles they allow their freedoms to be taken away by their own governments and when the Barbarians are at the gate what do they have as a philosophical center? Ethnicity and race. Sad.

America was founded by men with a constrained vision- that men's passions needed restraints. You can see the system of power checks and balances in our Constitution.

European thought around the French Revolution was much different, of the unconstrained vision. They look for political saviors who can magically bring about egalitarian societies even by inegalitarian means. Many european political theorists of that era did not understand our Constitution at all when it was written or why it needed checks on power. I think they still don't understand our system.

145 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:12:44pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pamela has a thread up about how the FBI is infiltrating the Tea Parties.....


Lol

I thought that was really low. Why drag the FBI and the DHS into such stupid stories. There are people risking their lives so that Geller can crazily post her rant in her home, why libel and politicize them?
Really, this sounds like the left attacks on the army. It's stupid and very low.

146 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:12:48pm

SPECIAL PREVIEW: I.F. Stone, Soviet Agent—Case Closed

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

Independent Journalist? Yeah right.

147 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:13:09pm

re: #139 pat

I simply cannot believe Obama announces the prosecution of Bush administration officials for water boarding while he is with the King of Jordan. His groveling among the Muslims is simply mind boggling.

Obama did no such thing.

148 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #121 OldLineTexan

Why, thankee. D'you suppose he's still looking?

/

Well, since he's so smart, he probably thinks that anyone who shined shoes back then was either a boy, or a former slave. That'll make it difficult for him...

149 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:14:09pm

re: #147 Charles

Obama did no such thing.

that was a leap...a long leap

150 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:14:35pm

re: #147 Charles

Obama did no such thing.

Ya dam right he didn't. When we need someone really tortured we send em to Jordan or Egypt!

151 simonml  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:14:48pm

re: #140 Charles

Of course, the same people screaming like banshees about the FBI monitoring tea parties were applauding enthusiastically when the FBI monitored left wing protests.

The FBI can monitor me all they want. I'm not doing anything wrong.

152 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:15:00pm

re: #147 Charles

Obama did no such thing.

I just watched it on Fox, unless I misunderstood.

153 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:15:39pm

re: #145 Abu Lahab
According to their line of thinking it is no longer "our FBI",but"their FBI"and the paranoia crawls out of the woodwork.

154 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #152 pat

I just watched it on Fox, unless I misunderstood.

0bama waffled and implied any decisions whether or not to prosecute would be left up to AG Holder.

155 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:16:23pm

Google FBI Tea Party

Pamela's "inside source" is Alex Jones, PrisonPlanet, and Infowars.
Idiot.

156 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #139 pat

I simply cannot believe Obama announces the prosecution of Bush administration officials for water boarding while he is with the King of Jordan. His groveling among the Muslims is simply mind boggling.

Link?

Only thing I've seen is he left the possibility of prosecution open.
And that was while in DC.

157 loppyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:16:50pm

re: #152 pat

I just watched it on Fox, unless I misunderstood.

President Holds Open Door For Prosecutions of Bush Officials For Interrogation Policies, Truth Commission


President Obama suggested today that it remained a possibility that the Justice Department might bring charges against officials of the Bush administration who devised harsh interrogation policies that some see as torture.

He also suggested that if there is any sort of investigation into these past policies and practices, he would be more inclined to support an independent commission outside the typical congressional hearing process.

Both statements represented breaks from previous White House statements on the matter.

158 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:16:59pm

re: #152 pat

I just watched it on Fox, unless I misunderstood.

All he did was say that if the AG or the Congress wants to investigate Bush admin lawyers in the Justice department who gave opinions he might go along with that?

159 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:17:05pm

Here it is
[Link: www.google.com...]

And that is a green light

160 cliffster  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:10pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

European thought around the French Revolution was much different, of the unconstrained vision. They look for political saviors who can magically bring about egalitarian societies even by inegalitarian means. Many european political theorists of that era did not understand our Constitution at all when it was written or why it needed checks on power. I think they still don't understand our system.

Nor does a good chunk of our Congress. And most of the voters.

161 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #151 simonml

The FBI can monitor me all they want. I'm not doing anything wrong.

This goes back to the "invasion of privacy" thing with FBI monitoring. Is it really infiltrating if you are holding a public protest?

162 loppyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:23pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

All he did was say that if the AG or the Congress wants to investigate Bush admin lawyers in the Justice department who gave opinions he might go along with that?

And I say good luck with that.

163 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:27pm

re: #159 pat

Here it is
[Link: www.google.com...]

And that is a green light

Not necessarily. It's basically a waffle

164 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:35pm

re: #142 opnion

The FBI will only show up is a Stormfront guy decides to show up? Do they stake out their houses & tail them?


I doubt the FBI is very interested in garden variety Stormfront posters. Somebody like Alex Jones might arouse their interest.

165 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:39pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Google FBI Tea Party

Pamela's "inside source" is Alex Jones, PrisonPlanet, and Infowars.
Idiot.

are you saying the FBI cannot and did not attend the tea parties?...why would you say that and how do you know?

166 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:18:49pm

re: #159 pat

Here it is
[Link: www.google.com...]

And that is a green light

You said he "announced the prosecution of Bush administration officials for water boarding." That's simply not true. He hinted at the possibility of prosecution, yes. And that's bad enough, without exaggerating it into something it is not.

167 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:07pm

re: #120 axegrinder

Bewildered my left butt cheek! The footage I saw if him he was grinning like he just won the lottery. Wheeee! I'm in New York City!

The jail food, constant water and electricity, indoor toilets that work, A/C and heat and cable TV are probably difficult on him after growing up in decadent and luxurious Somalia.

168 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:15pm

re: #153 Boondock St. Bender

According to their line of thinking it is no longer "our FBI",but"their FBI"and the paranoia crawls out of the woodwork.

I have to say I was little unnerved when I heard the robust enthusiastic applause and shouts of approval from the CIA office when TOTUS visited. Maybe that always happens when the Boss comes around and it's not just Obama. I sure hope so.

169 transient  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:18pm

For an all-too-brief moment I was seduced by the website Charles linked, hoping it really would be independent, as in moderate. But a quick look at the (now out-dated) article on the February Israeli election shot that down.

Obama Inherits Bush Legacy in Israeli Elections.
Jefferson Morley

With Palestinians, Netanyahu is reliably brutal. As prime minister in the 1990s, he did his best to undermine Israeli compliance with the Oslo accords which, with the help of a Hamas suicide bombing spree, set stage for the failure of President Clinton’s Camp David summit in 2000 and the outbreak of the second intifada.

Livni....defends Israeli military strategy and the 100-1 ratio of Palestinian to Israel casualties that it generates.... She occasionally mouths the rhetoric of the “peace process” even as the Israeli daily Haaretz reports that her government persists in brazen plans to build 3,5000 housing units set aside for Jews (No Arabs need apply)

So, Bibi was responsible for the failure of Oslo? And what, pray tell, did Netanyahu do that was brutal? Were panties and caterpillars involved? And Livni is now some kind of brazen right winger?

Yeah, that's independent and unbiased.
/

170 jacksontn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:34pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

All he did was say that if the AG or the Congress wants to investigate Bush admin lawyers in the Justice department who gave opinions he might go along with that?

You mean he would actually go against something he used to bring the far left into his bed? ... shocked ... well, he actually had flyers printed up and distributed at his rallies early in the primaries saying he would take on Bush, et al for war crimes ... so is he saying now the monkey is off his back on that issue ... on on AG Holder? ... how convenient ...

171 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:35pm

re: #162 loppyd

And I say good luck with that.

Except he better be careful. He might just unleash radical left forces in the congress he can't control.

172 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:45pm

re: #156 jcm

Link?

Only thing I've seen is he left the possibility of prosecution open.
And that was while in DC.

In DC with Jordanian King Abdulla, at the White House.

173 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:19:54pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

You missed my point. robert spencer would have you believe they're a myth all together. They're not. I am in no way comparing them to any other threat, nor am I trying to tar any other Christian denominations. I'm just pointing out their existence, and the ease of finding them just in an internet search, which robert apparently is incapable of doing.

Also, it doesn't pay to ignore fringe parties.

When things go bad, and especially if the people have already been trained to "walk in line", voters start looking around for an authority figure. Whatever trappings the figure chooses depend on the culture (here, it's Christianity) but ultimately, they're just trappings.

Even if you scoff at the likelihood of a theocratic front like the "Constitution" Party getting anywhere, they should at least be looked at as a symptom of a disease. When you get to Huckabee and Jindal, you're getting to former or current state governors who made a point of pandering to the same base prejudices that fuel the Dominionists and the "Constitution" Party.

174 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:20:11pm

re: #159 pat

Here it is
[Link: www.google.com...]

And that is a green light

Obama has one foot on the gas and one on the brake.

175 cliffster  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:20:38pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

All he did was say that if the AG or the Congress wants to investigate Bush admin lawyers in the Justice department who gave opinions he might go along with that?

Nothing can come of it. It's an excellent way for him to pander to his loony left supporters buy not have any real risk of something stupid happening.

176 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:20:42pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

I doubt the FBI is very interested in garden variety Stormfront posters. Somebody like Alex Jones might arouse their interest.

I agree.

177 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:20:43pm

re: #159 pat

Here it is
[Link: www.google.com...]

And that is a green light

And the harbinger of death to what is left of rationality in our political system.

178 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:20:54pm

re: #145 Abu Lahab

Really, this sounds like the left attacks on the army. It's stupid and very low.


Exactly. That's why these stories are started by guys like Alex Jones and the Paulians who have always hated the American Government. Regular Conservatives are just dupes repeating these paranoid conspiracy theories.

179 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:20:57pm

re: #159 pat

Here it is
[Link: www.google.com...]

And that is a green light

It's pandering to the BDS left, while not doing anything.

It a big leap to go from not saying no, to actually charging and trying someone who followed the law at the time it.

180 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:21:25pm

re: #174 DEZes

I don't see the brake, and neither did Brit Hume. Altho I agree with Brit that it would be hard to identify a specific statute that was violated.

181 simonml  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #161 ConservatismNow!

This goes back to the "invasion of privacy" thing with FBI monitoring. Is it really infiltrating if you are holding a public protest?

They expect us to be secretive. That's why we openly speak of the lair under the Denver airport and our monthly Zionist checks. They'd never think we'd "infiltrate" in public.

/definitely sarc

Its like the Battle of Wits from Princess Bride.

182 Soona'  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:11pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

All he did was say that if the AG or the Congress wants to investigate Bush admin lawyers in the Justice department who gave opinions he might go along with that?

Isn't this the usual way an administration starts a prosecutorial event? Plausible deniability isn't just for covert intelligence operations. Does Scooter Libby ring a bell?

183 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:11pm

re: #165 albusteve

are you saying the FBI cannot and did not attend the tea parties?...why would you say that and how do you know?


I don't know and neither does Pamela. Just because Alex Jones sent her an email does not mean it's true.

184 gegenkritik  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:11pm

When reading this article that was meant to damage LGF's reputation, I couldn't help but think at every line: "Well done Charles. You made everything right".

185 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:13pm

re: #175 cliffster

Nothing can come of it. It's an excellent way for him to pander to his loony left supporters buy not have any real risk of something stupid happening.

Not so sure about that. Congress can run wild sometimes. The wacky left in congress ain't necessarily gonna listen to Obama if they get a head of steam up. Obama better be careful.

186 2by2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:42pm

Just went over to Pamela Geller's site and paid attention to today's number of comments. It seems like she is mostly talking to herself, the grand total for today's post was under a dozen.

187 yochanan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:54pm

re: #38 Rednek

that is not wife friendly please warn me next time ouch

188 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:22:55pm

re: #182 Soona'

Isn't this the usual way an administration starts a prosecutorial event? Plausible deniability isn't just for covert intelligence operations. Does Scooter Libby ring a bell?

Bush got suckered into that one

189 loppyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:23:04pm

Jake Tapper grills Gibbs on Obama's flip flop:

TAPPER: Is the president of the belief, or in possession of information, that members of the Bush administration who formulated these interrogation policies broke the law?

GIBBS: I -- again, I think I'd point you to the comments that the president made today that a determination of who -- of whether a law was broken or who broke a law was not a determination that would be made inside the confines of the White House. It would rightly be made inside the confines of the Justice Department.

TAPPER: I would be the fourth of four that has pointed out that there is at least some rhetorical change between what the administration has said in the past on this question of prosecution and what the president said today. And I'm just wondering what change?

GIBBS: The president was clear and I would go with what...

TAPPER: He hasn't used language like that in the past. He hasn't said...

GIBBS: Well, I -- I -- I don't -- I think the president -- and we'll pull it for you specifically. I mean...

TAPPER: We've all read it.

GIBBS: Excellent, we're ahead of the game. Never mind. I -- I think when the president states that people are above the rule of law that he expects that the laws of the United States of America will be upheld.

TAPPER: But has he -- I guess the question is: Has he learned anything since those previous comments that make his language...

(CROSSTALK)

GIBBS: Not that I'm aware of. No.

-- jpt


I'd venture to guess what the president learned was that his supporters on the left were furious with his previous statements regarding prosecution.

190 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:23:27pm

re: #179 jcm

It's pandering to the BDS left, while not doing anything.

It a big leap to go from not saying no, to actually charging and trying someone who followed the law at the time it.

Right, except it was off of the table yesterday & today a possibility.
I don't think that it will go anywhere though.

191 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:23:34pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Google FBI Tea Party

Pamela's "inside source" is Alex Jones, PrisonPlanet, and Infowars.
Idiot.

Oh Jeez-us.....I remember someone calling into a radio show right around the first round of elections in post-Saddam Iraq. I'm not sure if he was a seminar caller or someone put him up to it, but he began this long convuluted rant on how the US Forces and Kurd militias were forcing people in Iraq to go out and vote at gunpoint and their rations were being witheld [did they even ration?] and that the Kurds were distant relatives of the jooooooooos and therefore, the Iraqi elections were really a nefarious SECRET ISRAELI PLOT! As he's weaving this fantastic yet semi-coherent tale, he keeps saying earnestly 'Go to infowars.com and look it up! It's all right there!'.....

Altho' I've hadn't been to infowars, that call almost single-handedly helped me determine that any story from infowars or any site/blog that linked to infowars is not to be trusted. Ever. Period. End of Sentence.

192 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:23:38pm

And my point still stands, to do this in a country that is responsible for most of the foreign mujaheddin is simply wrong.

193 simonml  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:23:45pm

re: #184 gegenkritik

When reading this article that was meant to damage LGF's reputation, I couldn't help but think at every line: "Well done Charles. You made everything right".

Upding!

194 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:23:57pm

re: #186 2by2

Just went over to Pamela Geller's site and paid attention to today's number of comments. It seems like she is mostly talking to herself, the grand total for today's post was under a dozen.

You're not counting all those voices in her head.

195 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:24:03pm

Some of the folks who post on the various stalker sites not only slam Charles but also continually slam the posters on LGF. We are a cult, don't you know. We can't think for ourselves... We are an echo chamber....blah, blah, blah.

196 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I don't know and neither does Pamela. Just because Alex Jones sent her an email does not mean it's true.

nor does it mean it's false...that's my point...it is totally plausible to me the FBI would snoop out the tea parties...for what reason and looking at who is another question....the FBI loves protests

197 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:24:41pm

re: #195 MJ

Some of the folks who post on the various stalker sites not only slam Charles but also continually slam the posters on LGF. We are a cult, don't you know. We can't think for ourselves... We are an echo chamber....blah, blah, blah.

Whaat Whaaat Whaaaat Whaaaaaat

198 yochanan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:24:47pm

re: #147 Charles

he opened the door to it. something about having a commision like the 9-11 com.

199 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:25:02pm

re: #191 Fenway_Nation

They've been spewing anti-government crap for years. The only difference is now conservatives are giving them a bigger bullhorn.

200 loppyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:25:06pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Except he better be careful. He might just unleash radical left forces in the congress he can't control.

Leaky Lahey is out for blood.

201 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:25:07pm

re: #180 pat

I don't see the brake, and neither did Brit Hume. Altho I agree with Brit that it would be hard to identify a specific statute that was violated.

I'm not gonna hyperventilate just yet, but his being open to it is disturbing.

202 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:25:29pm

re: #197 Nevergiveup

Whaat Whaaat Whaaaat Whaaaaaat

Imhooooteeeeeeep
Imhooooteeeeeeep
Imhooooteeeeeeep
Imhooooteeeeeeep

203 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:25:35pm

re: #198 yochanan

he opened the door to it. something about having a commision like the 9-11 com.

Hey I hope he does. If he makes this a bloody political fight, it will shit can his agenda. Go for it I say.

204 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:25:52pm

re: #198 yochanan

he opened the door to it. something about having a commision like the 9-11 com.

Yes. He added that also.

205 2by2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:26:29pm

re: #194 HelloDare

You're not counting all those voices in her head.

ha ha,
there must be thousands.......

206 loppyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:27:02pm

Later.

207 whiterasta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:27:11pm

Charles:

This is a fitting post for today, Holocaust Remembrance Day. Lest we forget.

Thank you.

208 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:27:22pm

re: #189 loppyd

Jake Tapper grills Gibbs on Obama's flip flop:


I'd venture to guess what the president learned was that his supporters on the left were furious with his previous statements regarding prosecution.

Tapper is the only White House reporter, in my opinion, who is doing his job.

209 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #198 yochanan

he opened the door to it. something about having a commision like the 9-11 com.


fucking crackpots...it will go ill with them...they cannot be that stupid

210 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:27:30pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

America was founded by men with a constrained vision- that men's passions needed restraints. You can see the system of power checks and balances in our Constitution.

European thought around the French Revolution was much different, of the unconstrained vision. They look for political saviors who can magically bring about egalitarian societies even by inegalitarian means. Many European political theorists of that era did not understand our Constitution at all when it was written or why it needed checks on power. I think they still don't understand our system.

I think a key difference between the American and French revolutions was the circumstances and pre-conditions both were based on.
The American revolution was based on breaking away from the old European paradigm where power and wealth were mainly based on birth, i.e., the Aristocracy. By rejecting that model one of the key, underlying tenets bequeathed a country where equality of opportunity was a paramount value. By contrast the French revolution was built on the ashes of the old aristocracy, where if you were not born into it, you were faced with a fairly hopeless future. Hence the tenet of radical egalitarianism, also defined as equality of outcome. While blood soaked and giving rise to some of the most destructive philosophies known to mankind, i.e. Marxism, it is somewhat understandable in the hopeless context that it was born in.

211 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:28:06pm

re: #195 MJ

Some of the folks who post on the various stalker sites not only slam Charles but also continually slam the posters on LGF. We are a cult, don't you know. We can't think for ourselves... We are an echo chamber....blah, blah, blah.

I saw a comment somewhere suggesting that we were all Charles. Apparently he (we) has (have) a multiple personality disorder.

212 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:28:46pm

Now that Obama is CIC, I get the feeling from sniffing around that some war bloggers are testing the waters of going anti-war full bore. They want to make Afghanistan Obama's quaqmire. If they do it will be sick, sad, and tremendously disloyal to everyone fighting over there, regardless of the spin they attempt to put on it.

The paleocon influenced war bloggers in particular worry me because that part of the Republican party has always been isolationist and anti.... remember Sam Brownback and Ron Paul's statements on the surge during last campaign?

213 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:28:48pm

re: #209 albusteve

fucking crackpots...it will go ill with them...they cannot be that stupid

Sure they can.

214 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #190 opnion

Right, except it was off of the table yesterday & today a possibility.
I don't think that it will go anywhere though.

There is legal concept called "reasonable action," did the person act as other reasonable persons with his experience and training would have acted.

So far all indications are that intel officers acted reasonably and within the law at the time.

It's a bigger can of worms than just the interrogations if it goes forward. It would set case law that a person would have to act presciently, knowing what the future laws would be.

BHO is just throwing a bone out, and hopes the dogs will be happy.

215 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #189 loppyd

Jake Tapper grills Gibbs on Obama's flip flop:


I'd venture to guess what the president learned was that his supporters on the left were furious with his previous statements regarding prosecution.

See:
Jake Tapper, hero

[Link: blogs.dailymail.com...]

216 Aviator  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:30:09pm

re: #209 albusteve

fucking crackpots...it will go ill with them...they cannot be that stupid

I do not put anything past these people. Their attitude is that "We won" and since they don't plan on ever being out of power again they can do absolutely anything.

217 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:30:17pm

re: #201 DEZes

I'm not gonna hyperventilate just yet, but his being open to it is disturbing.

These Justice Department lawyers rendered opnions. Their briefs may have said that "these techniuques are not torture per se, or are legally permissible." Unless there is a memo that says , 'This technique is illegal, let's do it.", I don' believe that there is anything there.

218 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:30:31pm

re: #210 LGoPs

I think a key difference between the American and French revolutions was the circumstances and pre-conditions both were based on.
The American revolution was based on breaking away from the old European paradigm where power and wealth were mainly based on birth, i.e., the Aristocracy. By rejecting that model one of the key, underlying tenets bequeathed a country where equality of opportunity was a paramount value. By contrast the French revolution was built on the ashes of the old aristocracy, where if you were not born into it, you were faced with a fairly hopeless future. Hence the tenet of radical egalitarianism, also defined as equality of outcome. While blood soaked and giving rise to some of the most destructive philosophies known to mankind, i.e. Marxism, it is somewhat understandable in the hopeless context that it was born in.

Oh, I agree. The different set of circumstances definitely created the different pre-cognitive assumptions in the minds of Americans and Europeans.

219 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:30:42pm

Analysts Question Legality of Targeting Lawyers in 'Torture' Inquiry
With President Obama opening the door for prosecution of lawyers who justified harsh interrogation techniques, some legal analysts question how the Justice Department could pursue a case that amounts to prosecuting a legal opinion.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

220 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:31:08pm

re: #189 loppyd

Jake Tapper grills Gibbs on Obama's flip flop:


I'd venture to guess what the president learned was that his supporters on the left were furious with his previous statements regarding prosecution.

O shouldn't even consider hauling in Bush admin types on what is ultimately an 'ex post facto' charge. (Wasn't there something in the constitution about that too? right next to Attainder?) He shouldn't be giving the slightest hint of it. Even if, maybe especially if, he's only doing it to score points with his far-Left base.

I suddenly feel like buying Obama gear at a 'Banana Republic' chain...

221 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:31:09pm

re: #212 Thanos

Actually I don't Thanos, but it would be interesting to read them.

222 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Hey I hope he does. If he makes this a bloody political fight, it will shit can his agenda. Go for it I say.

He will look like he is running a banana republic, the new junta always goes after the last one.

223 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:31:47pm

re: #187 yochanan

that is not wife friendly please warn me next time ouch

Really, especially the other link there with even more photos.
;-)

224 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:31:53pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

They've been spewing anti-government crap for years. The only difference is now conservatives are giving them a bigger bullhorn.


It wasn't the anti-government aspect that disturbed me. It was the unmasked contempt the caller had in his voice when words like 'Israel' and 'jewish' came up. It's not like he came right out and said 'I hate the Jews'...but to hear it in his voice. Repeating a conspiracy theory that democratic elections in a formerly totalitarian state were a bad thing whipped up the the 'joooooos' distant relatives, the Kurds, was just the icing on that particular piece of shit.

225 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:32:12pm

re: #221 formercorpsman

Actually I don't Thanos, but it would be interesting to read them.

There's nothing solid yet, but I am seeing hints and nuance that I didn't before. Believe me I will yell loudly if any do.

226 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:32:33pm

Robert Kennedy: Obama “indentured servant” to coal industry That's getting uncomfortably close to calling Obama a slave to the coal industry.

227 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:32:33pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Analysts Question Legality of Targeting Lawyers in 'Torture' Inquiry
With President Obama opening the door for prosecution of lawyers who justified harsh interrogation techniques, some legal analysts question how the Justice Department could pursue a case that amounts to prosecuting a legal opinion.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Exactly.

228 mich-again  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:32:38pm

The Rationalism of Nationalism.

That should be the tagline for Pam's site these days.

229 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:33:03pm

re: #211 NukeAtomrod

I saw a comment somewhere suggesting that we were all Charles. Apparently he (we) has (have) a multiple personality disorder.

Hadn't seen that one. Have seen various comments that say Charles was Gordon ( or Gordon was Charles' brother ), that Kilgore is Charles, and other great insights which I've chosen to forget.

230 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:33:17pm

First the article Charles posted upstairs seems a fairly succinct synopsis of the situation.

Second, will Madona adopt that poor little pirate kid?

231 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:33:24pm

re: #217 opnion

These Justice Department lawyers rendered opnions. Their briefs may have said that "these techniuques are not torture per se, or are legally permissible." Unless there is a memo that says , 'This technique is illegal, let's do it.", I don' believe that there is anything there.

Your probably correct, like I said, I will remain calm and watch what unfolds.

232 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:33:33pm

Chavez announces that Venezuelan socialism has reached USA under Obama. lol. That hand shake was big.

233 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:33:33pm

re: #174 DEZes

Obama has one foot on the gas and one on the brake.

From the link:

I think there are a host of very complicated issues involved here," the president said. "As a general deal, I think that we should be looking forward and not backwards. I do worry about this getting so politicized that we cannot function effectively, and it hampers our ability to carry out national security operations."

So here's an idea asshole. Don't politicize it.

234 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:34:11pm

re: #216 Aviator

I do not put anything past these people. Their attitude is that "We won" and since they don't plan on ever being out of power again they can do absolutely anything.

it will be another Watergate only in reverse...if BO persues this he will only cut his own Executive throat

235 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:34:34pm

re: #209 albusteve

fucking crackpots...it will go ill with them...they cannot be that stupid


Could be a Godsend to the GOP. I mean fuck- the campaign ads would practically write themselves.

"Sen. {insert whoever's on this comission name here} has made it clear he values the rights of Al Qaeda operatives over that of his constituents...."

236 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:34:40pm

re: #222 opnion

He will look like he is running a banana republic, the new junta always goes after the last one.

Well those seem to be his best friends?

237 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #228 mich-again

The Rationalism of Nationalism.

That should be the tagline for Pam's site these days.

I fear that the use of a term like "rationalism" on that site would create a strangelet or quantum singularity that would engulf the universe. It is a Thing That Should Not Be.

238 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #231 DEZes

Your probably correct, like I said, I will remain calm and watch what unfolds.

It is disturbing that Obama did not flatly shut down speculation.
This looks like a sop to the far left of the party, but it is playing with fire.

239 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:35:56pm

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

Could be a Godsend to the GOP. I mean fuck- the campaign ads would practically write themselves.

"Sen. {insert whoever's on this comission name here} has made it clear he values the rights of Al Qaeda operatives over that of his constituents...."

I have thought about....go for it BO

240 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:36:03pm

re: #225 Thanos

No, I was being serious.

Did those two make contrary arguments to the surge proposal?

I am under the impression they made comments similar to Harry Reid, by your post. It would be interesting to read that stuff. Hell, I had no idea about Morris that everyone else seemed to know.

Am I not following you correctly?

241 Soona'  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:36:06pm

re: #209 albusteve

fucking crackpots...it will go ill with them...they cannot be that stupid

I don't know anymore. If this does go down, the MFMSM will spin it into something that a very very ignorant American public will accept without hardly, if any, outrage

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:36:19pm

re: #195 MJ

Some of the folks who post on the various stalker sites not only slam Charles but also continually slam the posters on LGF. We are a cult, don't you know. We can't think for ourselves... We are an echo chamber....blah, blah, blah.

And that's when they're being exceedingly kind. Some of the depraved snuff fantasies I've read are beyond cringe-worthy.

243 Aviator  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:36:58pm

re: #234 albusteve

it will be another Watergate only in reverse...if BO persues this he will only cut his own Executive throat

Maybe. Redistribute wealth to buy votes, legalize 20 million new votes - voila one party rule for the foreseeable future.

244 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:37:37pm

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

Could be a Godsend to the GOP. I mean fuck- the campaign ads would practically write themselves.

"Sen. {insert whoever's on this comission name here} has made it clear he values the rights of Al Qaeda operatives over that of his constituents...."

I agree. But the Truth Commission , if it comes to be, will be hell for those involved. And then there are the process crimes for those under investigation.

245 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:02pm

re: #238 opnion

It is disturbing that Obama did not flatly shut down speculation.
This looks like a sop to the far left of the party, but it is playing with fire.

And to add fuel to the fire Move on is already trying to gather signatures to push it.

246 mich-again  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:04pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

some legal analysts question how the Justice Department could pursue a case that amounts to prosecuting a legal opinion.

Somehow an "opinion crime" doesn't sound nearly as sinister as a "hate crime". Same thing, only different.

247 cliffster  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:10pm

re: #233 LGoPs

He says stuff like, "It's very complicated" to effectively say nothing. In saying nothing, he makes it something. If he really wanted to look forward and stay away from politicizing it, he would condemn the ideas.

248 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:10pm

Vlaams Belang was Vlaams Blok. A lot of connections to former Nazi collaborators and SS members. Considered a nationalist party or neo-fascist by others.

Reviewing this I'm finding connections in the United States such as VDARE and CofCC.

From the they find a great deal of support from the dregs of American society at Vanquard New, Storm Front and other white supremacist groups.

It truly is "a political cesspool."

249 transient  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:15pm

re: #210 LGoPs

I think a key difference between the American and French revolutions was the circumstances and pre-conditions both were based on.
The American revolution was based on breaking away from the old European paradigm where power and wealth were mainly based on birth, i.e., the Aristocracy. By rejecting that model one of the key, underlying tenets bequeathed a country where equality of opportunity was a paramount value. By contrast the French revolution was built on the ashes of the old aristocracy, where if you were not born into it, you were faced with a fairly hopeless future. Hence the tenet of radical egalitarianism, also defined as equality of outcome. While blood soaked and giving rise to some of the most destructive philosophies known to mankind, i.e. Marxism, it is somewhat understandable in the hopeless context that it was born in.

Other key differences: Colonial Americans had over 500 years of political evolution to draw upon (since Magna Carta). British powers had already begun to separate (and continued to evolve into a real democracy). Despite Britain's defense of its colonial empire, its politics were more moderate than those of France.

Also, the geographic separation between Britain and America allowed the new nation to leave behind the old aristocracy more easily and less violently. Americans rejected British aristocracy by defeating their army (with French assistance)-- in France there was always the "danger" of reactionary elements within their own population, not to mention the danger of foreign interference.

250 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:34pm

re: #241 Soona'

I don't know anymore. If this does go down, the MFMSM will spin it into something that a very very ignorant American public will accept without hardly, if any, outrage

then it will mark the END

251 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:38:59pm

re: #243 Aviator

Maybe. Redistribute wealth to buy votes, legalize 20 million new votes - voila one party rule for the foreseeable future.

Aviator ... that is the end game ... I mentioned that the other day and it is what I believe ... democrats will hold the White House for generations if they give amnesty ... it is what the illegals are wanting in return for their support ... I know many many hispanics and they have told me as much ...

252 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #238 opnion

It is disturbing that Obama did not flatly shut down speculation.
This looks like a sop to the far left of the party, but it is playing with fire.

He might back himself into a corner he regrets.

253 Aviator  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:39:25pm

re: #244 pat

I agree. But the Truth Commission , if it comes to be, will be hell for those involved. And then there are the process crimes for those under investigation.

It will also have a chilling effect that will make conservatives think long and hard about getting into public service.

254 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:39:40pm

re: #244 pat

I agree. But the Truth Commission , if it comes to be, will be hell for those involved. And then there are the process crimes for those under investigation.

Hmm....wonder if Barney Frank would be serving on that comission trying to figure out who put a catepillar in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's cell while another comission is set up to look into the subprime mortgage clusterfuck.

255 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:39:51pm

re: #238 opnion

It is disturbing that Obama did not flatly shut down speculation.
This looks like a sop to the far left of the party, but it is playing with fire.

Maybe this is part of it (and somewhat on topic for this thread): He's seen how former comments and actions of his have driven his opponents nuts. Maybe he's hoping for some more hyperventilating so he can present himself as "the sane one" in our politics. Maybe he's even thinking Charles will stick up for him.

256 pat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:40:23pm

I am off, but FOX panel starts on subject in a minute.

257 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:40:45pm

re: #245 DEZes

And to add fuel to the fire Move on is already trying to gather signatures to push it.

I often watch Oberman. He has been pushing this hard.

258 Aviator  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:41:11pm

BBL

259 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:41:22pm

re: #245 DEZes

And to add fuel to the fire Move on is already trying to gather signatures to push it.


Maybe I should sign it. I mean I voted for Kerry in the open primaries back in '04 since I knew it would cost the Dems the White House....

260 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:41:27pm

This is interesting:
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

261 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:41:38pm

US wants broader Pakistan military ties
Published: 04.22.09, 01:02 / Israel News
The Obama administration wants to pursue broader military ties with Pakistan to help Islamabad combat a growing threat from militant groups including the Taliban, a Pentagon official said on Tuesday.

Michele Flournoy, US under secretary of defense for policy, said Washington wants to provide the Pakistani army with training and advice on counterinsurgency tactics developed in Iraq and Afghanistan and support ongoing operations with intelligence and other assistance. (Reuters)

Why not just give the intelligence to the enemy?

262 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:41:50pm

the fight is in the House...it is there we can start the slow reversal of this madness...conservatives need to handcuff this admin, if they don't impeach themselves first

263 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #240 formercorpsman

Oh, sorry I was talking about the milbloggers, you were asking about the candidates... argggg too much going on at work today, fiber cuts happen every Spring....

Here's Brownback early on, he changed his tune a bit later after the focus groups slammed him and the surge was starting to work:

Brownback Opposes Surge
Wichita Eagle ^ %P% 1/10/07 %P% MATT STEARNS

Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:09:18 PM by Obilisk18

WASHINGTON - Kansas Republican Sen. Sam Brownback came out against President Bush's expected call tonight for a surge of 22,000 more troops into Iraq.

"I do not believe that sending more troops to Iraq is the answer," Brownback said while traveling in Iraq. "Iraq requires a political rather than a military solution."

Brownback had previously supported a short-term surge of troops if it could help achieve long-term political stability, which the Bush Administration has said it hopes a troop surge will help achieve.

But Brownback rejected that argument after meeting this week with several Iraqi leaders, including Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, and U.S. military commanders.

"I came away from these meetings convinced that the United States should not increase its involvement until Sunnis and Shi'a are more willing to cooperate with each other instead of shooting at each other," Brownback said.

"The best way to reach a democratic Iraq is to empower the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own nation building," Brownback concluded, saying it is not in U.S. interest to get deeply involved in sectarian strife.

264 Soona'  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:42:29pm

Later.

265 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #260 formercorpsman

This is interesting:
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

New target

266 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:43:14pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup


Why not just give the intelligence to the enemy?

That was earlier this week....

267 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:43:39pm

I'm sure you can find similar statements from Luap NOr if you google, he's against the war period.

268 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:44:04pm

That was an interesting article.

Seems to me that people out there are still sore that Charles won't be the "conservative" KOS, and I'm glad he is sticking to his personal blog style. Calling out extremists is vital to the cause, especially when they are coming from the right. If we get complacent and accept our own faults while hypocritically pointing out those on the other side, we lose all credibility with fair-minded people.

Seems to me a few blogs out there have decided to fight leftist extremism by associating with right wingnut extremism. Extremists are extremists. If the right tolerates right-wing extremism, we make it more likely for the left to win.

Anyways, Charles, keep calling it like you see it. I don't always agree with you, but you are always worth reading. Honesty matters!

269 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:44:22pm

re: #265 Nevergiveup

New target

the fact that Hamas has money to loan is a crime....I hate the UN

270 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:44:42pm

re: #269 albusteve

the fact that Hamas has money to loan is a crime....I hate the UN

I could use a loan?

271 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:44:53pm
272 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:45:00pm

re: #247 cliffster

He says stuff like, "It's very complicated" to effectively say nothing. In saying nothing, he makes it something. If he really wanted to look forward and stay away from politicizing it, he would condemn the ideas.

He's a child. The qoute started with "As a general deal.....". I know I am big time nit-picking now but that's just an awkward turn of phrase....like in 'here's the deal, man..' How 'bout...."as a general idea or principle....". This is the same guy that did the whatever the fuck you call the handshake he gave Chavez. I'm not objecting to the fact that he shook his hand - he had to. I mean in the way he shook it...the way cool guys shake. Not dignified or presidential in my mind. The same guy that gave the barely concealed middle finger to his opponent during the debates.
Schoolyard shit.

273 yochanan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:45:05pm

re: #249 transient

the french rev. was more a class one than the american rev ever was.

274 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:45:40pm

re: #189 loppyd

Jake Tapper grills Gibbs on Obama's flip flop:

You know, political speech can wrap you up in warm, soothing words of confusion when you hear them verbally. When you see it in writing, you realize what a bunch of backpedalling, doublespeak, contradictory pile of bullcrap you are being fed.

275 Cathypop  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:45:42pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Facts are stubborn things.


That quote is going on my fridge, on my computer and attached to e-mails sent to liberal family members.
Major up-ding!

276 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:45:43pm

re: #257 screaming_eagle

I often watch Oberman. He has been pushing this hard.

Oberman, Damn, I was having a good evening.
I hate that douche nozzle. ;)

277 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:46:06pm

re: #273 yochanan

the french rev. was more a class one than the american rev ever was.

Yeah all them heads rolling around was real classy?

278 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Vlaams Belang was Vlaams Blok. A lot of connections to former Nazi collaborators and SS members. Considered a nationalist party or neo-fascist by others.

Reviewing this I'm finding connections in the United States such as VDARE and CofCC.

From the they find a great deal of support from the dregs of American society at Vanquard New, Storm Front and other white supremacist groups.

It truly is "a political cesspool."

The two top officials of Vlaams Belang, Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke, appeared in February 2007 on "The Political Cesspool," an openly white supremacist radio show that often features people like David Duke.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

279 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:46:55pm

re: #263 Thanos

Sorry, I guess I was not being clear.

Yeah, I read through that, thanks for the link.

It is a shame, but Bush gambling on Petreus should have garnered more respect, and political capital than it did.

Pure stroke of genius. Masterful technique by a more than qualified military leader.

280 Rancher  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:47:13pm
The lady doth protest too much, methinks


Funny how if they hadn't gone off the deep end Charles wouldn't have discovered how vile their buddies were. Pamela gets hysterical, they all should have just let it pass, but in a way its a good thing they didn't. Had the left picked up on this it would have tarred us all, Charles allowed us to police ourselves.

281 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #276 DEZes

Oberman, Damn, I was having a good evening.
I hate that douche nozzle. ;)

Actually, his rants and stupid facial expressions are often funny.

282 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:49:00pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

Sorry, I guess I was not being clear.

Yeah, I read through that, thanks for the link.

It is a shame, but Bush gambling on Petreus should have garnered more respect, and political capital than it did.

Pure stroke of genius. Masterful technique by a more than qualified military leader.

I actually had to do a cut n' paste since the original article is down now at the Eagle (Brownback's going to run for the vacated Sebelius seat so the bad stuff has to go away, or they just don't archive very far back...) it's over at Free Republic, but I won't link there from here.

283 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:49:52pm

re: #278 Charles

The two top officials of Vlaams Belang, Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke, appeared in February 2007 on "The Political Cesspool," an openly white supremacist radio show that often features people like David Duke.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Like they say: birds of a feather flock together. If that doesn't "seal the deal" I don't know what does but I'm sure the people in questions will come up with some kind of excuse.

I read that Vlaams Blok was banned (for obvious reasons) in Belgium which is when they went through the "re-branding" into Vlaams Belang. No real change and I guess I would call them stealth nationalists.

284 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:50:06pm

re: #281 screaming_eagle

Actually, his rants and stupid facial expressions are often funny.

Heh, true, but I have a low tolerance for people like him.

285 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:50:31pm

Why do I have a feeling that when the dust settles and the fires have died down from this civil war, Charles and LGF will be the only blog that folks look at and say "there's a blog that didn't sell out for 15 minutes of fame but stood it's ground in the face of overwhelming adversity". I say let the blog wars rage on; LGF will prevail.

Keep telling it like it is Charles. You are supported and appreciated more then you will ever know!

286 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:50:37pm

Obama signs service bill, says volunteers needed

Calling on Americans to volunteer, President Barack Obama signed a 5.7 billion US dollar national service bill yesterday that triples the size of the AmeriCorps service program over the next eight years and expands ways for students to earn money for college.

"We need your service, right now, in this moment in history. ... I'm asking you to stand up and play your part," said Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago. "I'm asking you to help change history's course."

Joining Obama was Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, who has been battling brain cancer. Kennedy championed the legislation with Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and the bill was named in honor of the Massachusetts Democrat.

Kennedy told the audience that included former President Bill Clinton, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former first lady Rosalyn Carter that Obama's efforts echoed that of his late brother, former President John F. Kennedy.

"Today, another young president has challenged another generation to give back to their nation," Kennedy said, citing his brother's advocacy of the Peace Corps.

Gee, that's more than 30 F-22 Raptors that we supposedly can't afford.

/for all that wasted money, they better be able to train these community Bonkey get out the vote organizers to fly and achieve air supremacy over the Chinese and Russians

287 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:50:41pm

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.

288 Kulhwch  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:50:45pm

Egads, civil war!  Why can't we have rude war instead?

}:E     [Lizard warrior still het up from Saturday Spodey Heads.]

289 yochanan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:51:18pm

after the british lost the war the loyalist eather returned to england or went to canada no need for a reign of terror. plus it wasn't a rich vs poor revolution.

290 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:51:23pm

re: #288 Kulhwch

Egads, civil war!  Why can't we have rude war instead?

}:E     [Lizard warrior still het up from Saturday Spodey Heads.]

What's so civil about war anyways?

291 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:51:36pm

re: #284 DEZes

Heh, true, but I have a low tolerance for people like him.

You just have to convince yourself that you not gonna throw your beer bottle at the TV.

292 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:52:11pm

re: #291 screaming_eagle

You just have to convince yourself that you not gonna throw your beer bottle at the TV until you are finished drinking it.

ftfy

293 VioletTiger  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:52:23pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.


Yes, I was listening to the same thing. And Krauthammer is right as well. They are trying to keep Bush in the picture as a foil for Obama.

294 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:52:59pm

re: #270 Nevergiveup

I could use a loan?

if you are a murderous, genocidal maniac you probably qualify...it's a disgrace

295 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:53:09pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Is he on a show talking?

296 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:53:14pm

re: #291 screaming_eagle

You just have to convince yourself that you not gonna throw your beer bottle at the TV.

*Looks over shoulder*
How did you know I drink from bottles?
Really I never buy caned beer.
;)

297 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:53:26pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.

NGU ... here is the flyer that was here during the campaign ... concerning Obama prosecuting "war crimes" ... and who exactly those people are or may be ...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

298 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:53:32pm

re: #295 formercorpsman

Is he on a show talking?

FOX

299 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:54:33pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.

ANd he looked Mah-velous doing it.

300 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:55:16pm

re: #293 VioletTiger

B.D.S.[Bush Derangement Syndrome]
The disease that will never go away.

301 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:55:19pm

re: #290 ConservatismNow!

What's so civil about war anyways?

Axle Rose is a moron.

302 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:55:27pm

re: #299 Fenway_Nation

ANd he looked Mah-velous doing it.

What?

303 Lynn B.  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:55:56pm

re: #172 opnion

In DC with Jordanian King Abdulla, at the White House.

Video of Obama's entire answer here. It's about as waffley as you can get. And the accompanying article clearly says he responded to reporters' questions AFTER his meeting with Abdullah, who I sort of doubt was still sitting there in the other chair twiddling his thumbs and being ignored by the cameras (but I guess it's possible).

304 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:55:58pm

re: #273 yochanan

the french rev. was more a class one than the american rev ever was.

Agreed. What made Americans unique at the time was their dislike and mistrust of the 'lords and serfs' mentality. Benjamin Franklin, for instance, was one of the greatest supporter of the notion that your average person could become successful, something that was extremely difficult if not impossible in Europe.

305 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:00pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

I always liked Billy.

Throw Mama from the Train was great, as was City Slickers.

Nice to know he is offering sound opinion. Good for him.

I'm heading home, take it easy.

306 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:09pm

Very well written, Charles, as usual.

307 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:14pm

re: #301 axegrinder

Axle Rose is a moron.

agreed x 2....a spoiled, no talent pinhead millionaire

308 NY Nana  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:16pm

Charles,

You know that you are doing the right thing when you are so viciously attacked by a group of jealous, hateful losers.

Thank you for what you have done just by being honest, and also more courageous than those [deleted] haters 'bloggers'. Just keep on being you.

Those others really need to get a life.

309 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:18pm

re: #301 axegrinder

Axle Rose is a moron.

Ok. And?

310 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:45pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

What?

Old Billy Crystal line.
He starred in movies like 'throw Mama from the train'.

311 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:57:09pm

Quick! Grab the tiller! Beat to Quarters! Call forth the Marines! Drive the rabble back down into the hold where they belong!

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:57:33pm

re: #16 Rednek

Nikolai Grushevski filed a complaint against Hooters of America in January alleging its Corpus Christi franchisee would not hire him as a waiter because the position was being limited to females by an employer "who merely wishes to exploit female sexuality as a marketing tool to attract customers and insure profitability."

Well, yes. That's exactly what they are doing. The issue is, is that illegal?

313 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:57:45pm

re: #311 calcajun

Quick! Grab the tiller! Beat to Quarters! Call forth the Marines! Drive the rabble back down into the hold where they belong!

Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war.

314 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:57:47pm

re: #299 Fenway_Nation

ANd he looked Mah-velous doing it.

Billy Crystal is the bomb; even if he is a raging liberal.

315 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:57:51pm

re: #310 DEZes

Old Billy Crystal line.
He starred in movies like 'throw Mama from the train'.

if hate was a country, I'd be China!....hahahaha

316 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:00pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

What?

Since Krystol is misspelled, it's a fair joke...

317 Cathypop  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:05pm

re: #305 formercorpsman

I always liked Billy.

Throw Mama from the Train was great, as was City Slickers.

Nice to know he is offering sound opinion. Good for him.

I'm heading home, take it easy.

What?

318 Athos  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:15pm

re: #285 Jetpilot1101

Very well said. I wish I had more updings to give it.

319 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:16pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.

I'd like to get the message to the leftists that are pushing this that the pendulum will swing back and if they do this we will remember. And tell them to pray to God every day that we don't get hit again because if we do and it can be traced to their cavalier attitude towards common sense safeguarding techniques then there will be hell to pay - here at home first.

320 transient  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:21pm

re: #273 yochanan

the french rev. was more a class one than the american rev ever was.


No question about it. French, Russian, Iranian revolutions were classic pattern. America, not so much, in part because we were already essentially a separate nation, on separate territory. The American Revolution threatened the power of the British Empire, but it was never a threat to the English in their homes.

321 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:34pm

re: #311 calcajun

Quick! Grab the tiller! Beat to Quarters! Call forth the Marines! Drive the rabble back down into the hold where they belong!

Aye, aye, captain!

322 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:58:54pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal from "City Slickers" or Bill Kristol--who looks like he feeling up Mara Elliason on Special Report

323 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:59:16pm

re: #322 calcajun

Bill Crystal from "City Slickers" or Bill Kristol--who looks like he feeling up Mara Elliason on Special Report

yuk

324 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:59:28pm

Marty Peretz nails the NYT:

...One more point, predictable from me, I suppose. The obsessive rampage of the Times against Israel on the op-ed and editorial pages these days (and sometimes in the news and culture pages, as well) is so insufferable that the loyalty of many readers and not just Jewish readers, who I'm sure are a significant part of the readership, has been very much on the wane. Historically, no one has ever been able to count on the Times to pick up the editorial cudgel for even terribly threatened Jews. The paper simply couldn't find much room for news of the Holocaust and never wrote a lead editorial about it. Laurel Leff's book, Buried in the Times: The Holocaust and America's Most Important Newspaper, tells the shameful story. Now the Times has Roger Cohen who tells us that the Jews of Iran are secure and that the Israelis have no reason to fear Muslim extremism. Although it was owned by a Jewish family, the paper was always hostile to Zionism. The publisher these days is an Episcopalian, through his mother. Who knows what he thinks about Zionism, Israel, the Jewish people and their survival? But the paper's readers know.

He's wrong about one thing though. The paper just hasn't been hostile to Zionism, it's been hostile to Jews. The Ochs/Sulzbergers clan are the definition of self-hating Jews.

325 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:59:28pm

re: #311 calcajun

Sorry this is the only tiller I know of
Image: DSCN0403.JPG

326 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:59:45pm

re: #310 DEZes

Old Billy Crystal line.
He starred in movies like 'throw Mama from the train'.

Yes, but the person on Fox is not that same Crystal, that's why I asked?

327 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:00:05pm

re: #317 Cathypop

We were talking about this..

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

328 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:00:12pm

re: #301 axegrinder

Axle Rose is a moron.

Who is Axle Rose? Name sounds vaguely familiar but I really don't know....

329 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:00:23pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Yes, but the person on Fox is not that same Crystal, that's why I asked?

it's visceral...here, there

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:00:42pm

re: #58 Charles

Absolutely. This is what Spencer has become, an apologist for extremists.

One of the Republican candidates for president openly advocated amending the US Constitution to be "in line with God's standards."

Is Mike Huckabee "a myth?"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Mike Huckabee certainly has his mythic qualities.

331 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:00:52pm

who's got the thread glue?

332 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:00:57pm

re: #316 Thanos

Since Krystol is misspelled, it's a fair joke...

I didn't even know it was a joke, I'm confused. Who was on Fox. Their regular contributor Kristol or the actor Crystal?

333 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:01:05pm

who's on first?

334 Cathypop  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:01:15pm

re: #331 albusteve

who's got the thread glue?


Make it Super-glue!

335 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:01:34pm

re: #328 LGoPs

Who is Axle Rose? Name sounds vaguely familiar but I really don't know....

Lead singer for Guns and Roses

336 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:01:36pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

I didn't even know it was a joke, I'm confused. Who was on Fox. Their regular contributor Kristol or the actor Crystal?

Walter ... would Billy Crystal the actor even risk being on Fox? ... I doubt it ... not now anyway ...

337 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:01:37pm

re: #328 LGoPs

Guns and Roses Lead singer
Image: 10849084_tml.jpg

338 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:01:39pm

re: #333 Racer X

who's on first?

WHAT?

339 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:02:12pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Yes, but the person on Fox is not that same Crystal, that's why I asked?

I fucked up the spelling..shoot me!

340 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:02:24pm

re: #338 DEZes

2nd base

341 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:02:34pm

re: #328 LGoPs

Who is Axle Rose? Name sounds vaguely familiar but I really don't know....

Guns and Roses.

342 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:02:43pm

re: #322 calcajun

Bill Crystal from "City Slickers" or Bill Kristol--who looks like he feeling up Mara Elliason on Special Report

It's now a very special report.

343 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:02:45pm

re: #335 HoosierHoops

Lead singer for Guns and Roses

Thanks. That's kind of what I thought but I discounted him in light of the discussion.......

344 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:02:53pm

re: #327 formercorpsman

Shit.

Duh... Ok, I am getting in the car now. I am going home.

Kristol.

Crystal.

Why do I suddenly get the feeling I will never live this one down?

345 TedStriker  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:04pm

re: #328 LGoPs

Who is Axle Rose? Name sounds vaguely familiar but I really don't know....

Axl Rose...former lead singer for Guns N' Roses

346 callahan23  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:11pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.

How true.
The threat of not supporting your troops, law-enforcement and intelligence agents is ultimately leading to a society very much like that of Germany.
Loyalty is a good attribute, yet it got nixed together with all the other bad German characteristics after WWII. Soldiers are routinely vilified as murderers and not only by lefties.
So who in his right mind and a good set of moral principles will want to work for a government/ society that will reflexively stab you in the back as soon as the going gets tough?
Certainly not the intelligentsia.

347 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:14pm

re: #336 JacksonTn

Walter ... would Billy Crystal the actor even risk being on Fox? ... I doubt it ... not now anyway ...

What ever, that's why the English language is so problematic. Crystal, Kystol, Kristol...

Ze German is all nice and in ordered, ever vord zounds like marching, lots of goot order.

348 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:15pm

re: #309 ConservatismNow!

re: #328 LGoPs

Who is Axle Rose? Name sounds vaguely familiar but I really don't know....

Singer for Guns n' Roses. Great band from the 80's.

349 WhiteRasta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:21pm

re: #338 DEZes

Watt's on second!

350 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:25pm

re: #344 formercorpsman

Shit.

Duh... Ok, I am getting in the car now. I am going home.

Kristol.

Crystal.

Why do I suddenly get the feeling I will never live this one down?

I'm the one that misspelled it?

351 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:28pm

re: #330 SanFranciscoZionist

Mike Huckabee certainly has his mythic qualities.

There was also his 1998 statement at a Baptist convention:

You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership.

352 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:03:49pm

"This recession is causing me to get fat"
- Barney Frank

Asshole.

In the depression of the 1930's people were DYING of starvation on the streets.

353 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:06pm

re: #349 WhiteRasta

Watt's on second!

Ohm my.

354 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

I didn't even know it was a joke, I'm confused. Who was on Fox. Their regular contributor Kristol or the actor Crystal?

Since it's that time of the night when he's always on, I would wager Bill Kristol.

355 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:17pm

Axel Rose is Billy Crystals wife

356 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:19pm


Readings show Four Corners marker off by 2.5 miles

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Tourists who think they're putting a hand or foot in each of four states at the Four Corners area are apparently missing the mark — by about 2.5 miles. National Geodetic Survey officials say the Four Corners marker showing the intersection of Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah is about 2.5 miles west of where it should be.

The only place in the United States where four state boundaries come together was first surveyed by the government in 1868 during the initial survey of Colorado's southern boundary. The survey was inaccurate.

Officials said Monday the accurate location lies to the east of U.S. 160 in Colorado and northeast of the San Juan River as it flows into New Mexico.

357 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:27pm

Might get downdinged ... but Guns n Roses ... way overrated band ... imo ...

358 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:32pm

re: #343 LGoPs

Thanks. That's kind of what I thought but I discounted him in light of the discussion.......

Somebody quoted one of his more moronic lines. "What's so civil about war anyway?"

359 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:40pm

re: #339 Nevergiveup

I fucked up the spelling..shoot me!

No, I wasn't dumping on you, I was truly confused at the SNL "marvelous" reference. It's not your fault, you didn't make the connection, someone else did.

And mainly it's my fault because I missed the whole joke.

360 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:43pm

Yankee game about to start. I'm taking bets on how many runs in the second inning?

361 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:50pm

re: #349 WhiteRasta

Watt's on second!

Ohm my!

362 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:04:52pm

Roger Cohen's friends:

Op-Ed on Official Iranian News Website: 'You Could Never Find Even One Single Person Who Is an Auschwitz Survivor'


[Link: www.memri.org...]

363 yochanan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:07pm

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

via drudge

364 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:08pm

re: #358 axegrinder

Somebody quoted one of his more moronic lines. "What's so civil about war anyway?"

Gotcha.
:)

365 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:13pm

re: #357 JacksonTn

Might get downdinged ... but Guns n Roses ... way overrated band ... imo ...

so true...I was just going to trash them but....whatever

366 transient  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:26pm

re: #338 DEZes

WHAT?

I don't know.

367 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:29pm

re: #351 Gus 802

Reasonable chance he was joking. He's a funny guy.

368 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:30pm

re: #360 Nevergiveup

And the wind screams Mary. [Jimmy Hendrix]

369 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:43pm

re: #350 Nevergiveup

I am getting a real good laugh at it now.

Oh lord. Looking back at the posts, you can just see the train wreck happening.

My eyes are watering up.

I'm outta here. Sorry. Guilt by association, I am in the foxhole with you.

No pun intended.

370 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:45pm

re: #356 HelloDare


Readings show Four Corners marker off by 2.5 miles

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Tourists who think they're putting a hand or foot in each of four states at the Four Corners area are apparently missing the mark — by about 2.5 miles. National Geodetic Survey officials say the Four Corners marker showing the intersection of Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah is about 2.5 miles west of where it should be.

The only place in the United States where four state boundaries come together was first surveyed by the government in 1868 during the initial survey of Colorado's southern boundary. The survey was inaccurate.

Officials said Monday the accurate location lies to the east of U.S. 160 in Colorado and northeast of the San Juan River as it flows into New Mexico.

REVOLT!

371 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:47pm

re: #361 LGoPs

Ohm my!

Jinx. ;)

372 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:56pm

I am rather astonished at the whole cycle.

Nazis really do poison everything - G-d knows the left loves the division in our house, and those, from our camp, who have gone over to the hatefulness of Nazism are as much a foe - in fact much more dangerous than any moonbat.

Charles did the right thing. Please keep doing the right thing and outing these monsters.

In the mean time, monsters like the dinner jacket have dreams of killing more of my people, and those who wold stand against them are poisoned by the division caused by sleeping with evil scum.

373 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:05:59pm

re: #357 JacksonTn

Might get downdinged ... but Guns n Roses ... way overrated band ... imo ...

Total upding. There are no words low enough to describe my utter loathing of Axel Rose.

374 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:06:04pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

No, I wasn't dumping on you, I was truly confused at the SNL "marvelous" reference. It's not your fault, you didn't make the connection, someone else did.

And mainly it's my fault because I missed the whole joke.

I know you weren't but I set it all off with my spelling wizardry.

375 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:06:14pm

re: #368 smokefire

And the wind screams Mary. [Jimmy Hendrix]

cries Mary...cries

376 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:06:35pm

re: #365 albusteve

so true...I was just going to trash them but....whatever

albustever ... its okay ... I will take it .... btw ... thanks for posting the old Dylan albums ... I bought it on itunes ... it made me remember that I actually did like Dylan ... back when you could understand him ... I posted one of the songs again you posted the other night ... was looking for you last night to say thanks ...

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:06:38pm

re: #67 OldLineTexan

you couldn't even shine mcclellan's boots

/take all the time you need to look it up

I want to be Harriet Beecher Stowe.

378 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:06:42pm

re: #349 WhiteRasta

Watt's on second!

I don't know but Bill Clinton's on somebody.

379 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #319 LGoPs

I'd like to get the message to the leftists that are pushing this that the pendulum will swing back and if they do this we will remember.

Why does something tell me that we will do nothing of the sort. We will elect Republicans again and they will be obsessed with reaching across the aisle and compromising with Dems and then wonder how the hell that knife got stuck in their backs.

380 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:07:13pm

re: #376 JacksonTn

albustever ... its okay ... I will take it .... btw ... thanks for posting the old Dylan albums ... I bought it on itunes ... it made me remember that I actually did like Dylan ... back when you could understand him ... I posted one of the songs again you posted the other night ... was looking for you last night to say thanks ...

regards

381 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:07:16pm

re: #371 DEZes

Jinx. ;)

The cat?
[Link: offthemark.com...]

382 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:07:28pm

re: #375 albusteve

That is the title, there is a line that does say the wind screams Mary. I agree the title is as you say.

383 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:07:39pm

I wonder what this 'civil war's Antietam is going to be.

This whole thing is like an argument between opportunistic celebrities, and a well informed normal person. The celebrities come off looking like fools every time.

Just be careful Charles, that you don't become the next celebrity yourself :) I can't see that happening very easily though.

384 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:07:45pm

re: #369 formercorpsman

I am getting a real good laugh at it now.

Oh lord. Looking back at the posts, you can just see the train wreck happening.

My eyes are watering up.

I'm outta here. Sorry. Guilt by association, I am in the foxhole with you.

No pun intended.

I tried to take some of the heat off by misspelling it again, but nobody bit...

385 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:07:49pm

re: #346 callahan23

How true.
So who in his right mind and a good set of moral principles will want to work for a government/ society that will reflexively stab you in the back as soon as the going gets tough?
Certainly not the intelligentsia.


Career spies will back off their efforts, be more circumspect and worry about covering their assets. They still will work, but on a self-imposed leash. "When in doubt, don't" will be the new style.

That is, until we get attacked again and Obama feels a political necessity to grow a pair.

386 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:00pm

re: #365 albusteve

so true...I was just going to trash them but....whatever

It's the guitar man. Slash was good. I don't even hear the lyrics.

387 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:07pm

re: #379 Russkilitlover

Why does something tell me that we will do nothing of the sort. We will elect Republicans again and they will be obsessed with reaching across the aisle and compromising with Dems and then wonder how the hell that knife got stuck in their backs.

Because eventually if you get kicked in the junk enough it starts to hurt and begins to piss you off. At some point in time, the GOP's junk is going to start hurting and they are going to come back as one pissed off elephant.

388 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:18pm

re: #382 smokefire

That is the title, there is a line that does say the wind screams Mary. I agree the title is as you say.

cool...didn't know that

389 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:32pm

re: #384 Thanos

I tried to take some of the heat off by misspelling it again, but nobody bit...


If they are anything like me they looked and said-looks about right to me?

390 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:38pm

re: #386 axegrinder

It's the guitar man. Slash was good. I don't even hear the lyrics.

you're dirt

391 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:39pm

re: #387 Jetpilot1101

Because eventually if you get kicked in the junk enough it starts to hurt and begins to piss you off. At some point in time, the GOP's junk is going to start hurting and they are going to come back as one pissed off elephant.

Fat Chance.

392 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:47pm

re: #379 Russkilitlover

Why does something tell me that we will do nothing of the sort. We will elect Republicans again and they will be obsessed with reaching across the aisle and compromising with Dems and then wonder how the hell that knife got stuck in their backs.

I'm afraid you're right. It's like Lucy and the football with them......
Good grief.

393 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:48pm

re: #367 axegrinder

Reasonable chance he was joking. He's a funny guy.

Actually that was in an ad for the Southern Baptist Convention. So it wasn't part of a speech which means he wasn't joking.

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:08:51pm

re: #86 alegrias

* * * **
Someone who would eat squirrel cooked in his popcorn popper, is probably too proud to go on the public dole if he can feed himself and keep his dignity.

I think it's resourceful to eat squirrel as Huckabee claims to have done, given squirrels are a renewable resource.

My grandmother-in-law reportedly has a mean hand with squirrel stew, although a popcorn popper has never been mentioned.

Perhaps I should send her one for Christmas.

/

395 WhiteRasta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:09pm

re: #355 albusteve

Axl Rose is an anagram for "oral sex". I think he spells it Axl Rose.

396 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:18pm

re: #381 LGoPs

The cat?
[Link: offthemark.com...]

See my 353. ;)

397 Athos  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:26pm

This 'civil war' is a war well worth fighting.

It didn't have to happen. Pamela, Robert, and others could have had the moral and intellectual courage to distance themselves from the Euro-nazi's and fascists of the hard right. Instead, in their fear and short sightedness, they felt that any ally would be acceptable and decided that cutting a deal with the devil was worth it.

Except not only was this devil radioactive in terms of their values and positions, they are so inconsequential and fringe, they can't make a real difference in the fight unless they can mask their odious positions and gain recognitition and acceptance from the desperate and clueless. So they made the appeal of the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' fallacy and got what they wanted until Charles turned a very bright light on them.

Now the cockroaches are scurrying....and their useful idiots, rather than admit their error, compound it by attacking the one with the light.

This isn't a 'civil war'. It's far from being dignified enough to be called a 'civil war'. It's about a bunch of fascists and their supporters being mad because their plans and their efforts to obtain respectability / visibility, have been exposed for what they are.

398 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:33pm

re: #388 albusteve

I am just a repository of totally useless information

399 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:35pm
Senator's husband's firm cashes in on crisis

Feinstein sought $25 billion for agency that awarded contract to spouse

On the day the new Congress convened this year, Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband's real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms.

Mrs. Feinstein's intervention on behalf of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was unusual: the California Democrat isn't a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with jurisdiction over FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments - not direct federal dollars.

Never let a crisis go to waste.
- Rahm Emanuel

Never miss a chance to fuck the taxpayer out of cash.
- Dianne Feinstein

400 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:40pm

Charles updated the post:

UPDATE at 4/21/09 3:56:22 pm:

Even today, Gates of Vienna continues to pimp the Vlaams Belang, and their leaders, Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke.

A reminder, since they’re obviously hoping that people will forget: in February 2007, during a visit to the United States in which they met with numerous extreme right wing personalities (including Pat Buchanan), Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke appeared on “The Political Cesspool,” an openly white supremacist radio show, promoted at the website of David Duke: Vlaams Belang and the US White Supremacist Cesspool.

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:09:49pm

re: #88 ConservatismNow!

His wife is/was a big lady too. Not fat, but very curvy.

Can you imagine him with a little woman? He'd worry about stepping on her.

402 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:10:02pm

re: #387 Jetpilot1101

Because eventually if you get kicked in the junk enough it starts to hurt and begins to piss you off. At some point in time, the GOP's junk is going to start hurting and they are going to come back as one pissed off elephant.

Or at least as pissed off War Pigs.
:)

403 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:10:15pm

There are plenty of open seats in Yankee Stadium behind home plate? I guess people don't really want to spent 2,600 per seat?

404 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:10:30pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Fat Chance.

chin up...it's the last best hope

(secretly I agree with you tho)

405 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:10:31pm

re: #398 smokefire

I am just a repository of totally useless information

smokefire ... my favorite type of person ... what is that game you play with the pie shaped thing ... I use to love that game ... but my memory sucks ...

406 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:10:36pm

re: #393 Gus 802

Actually that was in an ad for the Southern Baptist Convention. So it wasn't part of a speech which means he wasn't joking.

That's been the general position of the SBC for as long as I know. When I read the quote above, it didn't even occur to me to take it as a joke.

407 Athos  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:10:46pm

re: #319 LGoPs

Excellent point.

Pre-9/11 mentality weakened us and contributed to getting hit. Expecting to return to that same mindset but get different results is really the definition of insanity.

408 Lynn B.  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:03pm

The fact is that if you're looking for an echo chamber or a one note blog, LGF just isn't going to float your boat. I'm pretty sure that NO ONE is going to come here and find confirmation of all their cherished beliefs and ideals. In fact, I've had several of my own challenged here and I've actually changed my mind about a few of them as a result. Imagine that!

It just boggles my mind that so many people actually seem to go to other people's blogs to find vindication for all of their own positions and then become enraged and attack the host when they don't. But it probably happens more here than most other sites because Charles has never toed a party or ideological line. In fact, his own positions on some things have evolved over the course of the seven years I've been visiting here.

Refreshing and stimulating, as far as I'm concerned. Your mileage may vary.

LB

409 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:14pm

re: #405 JacksonTn

Trivial Pursuit.

410 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:36pm

re: #320 transient

Only their pocket books.

Yes, geography had a lot to do with it. But the break had been coming for more than a decade and many Americans still thought of themselves as English and looked to London for a redress of their grievances under their rights as Englishman. We were breaking away from --not overthrowing --the established order.

I still say "run out the guns! Ready the carronades!"

411 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #409 smokefire

Trivial Pursuit.

smokefire ... see I bet you were good at that game ...

412 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:55pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

That's been the general position of the SBC for as long as I know. When I read the quote above, it didn't even occur to me to take it as a joke.

Neither did I. When this came out last year all I could do was roll my eyes at the prospect of him becoming president.

413 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:11:59pm

re: #351 Gus 802

There was also his 1998 statement at a Baptist convention:

You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership.

Paul was a freaking misogynist which was not uncommon at his time even in 'enlightened' societies. Unfortunately, his words and admonishments are far too common today in many Christian circles in order to maintain control over their wives.

My husband knows better than to EVER think of ordering me around, let alone want me to be submissive.

414 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:12:00pm

re: #387 Jetpilot1101

Because eventually if you get kicked in the junk enough it starts to hurt and begins to piss you off. At some point in time, the GOP's junk is going to start hurting and they are going to come back as one pissed off elephant.

That only works if it they get kicked in the junk often enough, quickly enough, for it to have an effect before they gracefully retire, before the next ones with undamaged junk pick up exactly where they left off.

415 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:12:00pm

re: #398 smokefire

I am just a repository of totally useless information

not to me...it's really hard to memorize the lyrics to 27,000 songs

416 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:12:10pm

re: #407 Athos

Excellent point.

Pre-9/11 mentality weakened us and contributed to getting hit. Expecting to return to that same mindset but get different results is really the definition of insanity.

Or a liberal.

417 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:12:15pm

re: #405 JacksonTn

smokefire ... my favorite type of person ... what is that game you play with the pie shaped thing ... I use to love that game ... but my memory sucks ...

If you mean Trivial Pursuit, and your memory sucks, I definitely want to play against you!

418 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:12:28pm

re: #411 JacksonTn

crazed at the game. Once took on the whole shift,and beat them all.

419 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:12:56pm

re: #392 LGoPs

I'm afraid you're right. It's like Lucy and the football with them......
Good grief.

got to upding that! well said! evening lizards from the embassy by the Louisville airport. is there any thing left to talk about?

420 axegrinder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:13:26pm

re: #395 WhiteRasta

Axl Rose is an anagram for "oral sex". I think he spells it Axl Rose.

Never knew that. Weird.

421 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:13:50pm

re: #397 Athos

This 'civil war' is a war well worth fighting.

It didn't have to happen. Pamela, Robert, and others could have had the moral and intellectual courage to distance themselves from the Euro-nazi's and fascists of the hard right. Instead, in their fear and short sightedness, they felt that any ally would be acceptable and decided that cutting a deal with the devil was worth it.

Except not only was this devil radioactive in terms of their values and positions, they are so inconsequential and fringe, they can't make a real difference in the fight unless they can mask their odious positions and gain recognitition and acceptance from the desperate and clueless. So they made the appeal of the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' fallacy and got what they wanted until Charles turned a very bright light on them.

Now the cockroaches are scurrying....and their useful idiots, rather than admit their error, compound it by attacking the one with the light.

This isn't a 'civil war'. It's far from being dignified enough to be called a 'civil war'. It's about a bunch of fascists and their supporters being mad because their plans and their efforts to obtain respectability / visibility, have been exposed for what they are.

I regret that I have but one ding to give.

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:13:53pm

re: #115 Phocid

I have a theory. Europe has a problem that Americans don't have: American was founded on the principles of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, these principles are what holds us together--the nations of Europe were founded on nationalities. Nationalities imply groups classified by ethnicity, language and race. Under pressure that's what they instinctively fall back on, especially now that Christianity has lost its appeal for the majority of Europeans. Look at Europe now, without our founding principles they allow their freedoms to be taken away by their own governments and when the Barbarians are at the gate what do they have as a philosophical center? Ethnicity and race. Sad.

I think you're on the right track there.

423 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:13:56pm
Bank bailout may hurt taxpayers, be open to fraud

Inspector general cites potential flaws in bank bailout, urges Treasury to adopt safeguards

Taxpayers are increasingly exposed to losses and the government is more vulnerable to fraud under Obama administration initiatives that have created a federal bank bailout program of "unprecedented scope," a government report finds.

Ready, Fire!

uh, Aim?

424 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:13:58pm

re: #362 MJ

Roger Cohen's friends:

Op-Ed on Official Iranian News Website: 'You Could Never Find Even One Single Person Who Is an Auschwitz Survivor'

[Link: www.memri.org...]

Looks like something David Duke would write.

425 callahan23  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:14:06pm

re: #385 Dainn

Career spies will back off their efforts, be more circumspect and worry about covering their assets. They still will work, but on a self-imposed leash. "When in doubt, don't" will be the new style.
That is, until we get attacked again and Obama feels a political necessity to grow a pair.

This is exactly what has happened in Germany across the board from the general populace and up to the politicians. Very nearly everybody is covering their assets.

426 transient  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #418 smokefire

crazed at the game. Once took on the whole shift,and beat them all.


Got talked into playing in New Zealand once. Crashed and burned on history.

427 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:14:33pm

re: #419 apachegunner

got to upding that! well said! evening lizards from the embassy by the Louisville airport. is there any thing left to talk about?

AG ... do you always stay in Embassy? ... I kinda remember you were in Baltimore when I was there some time ago ... and you were at an Embassy ... at least I believe it was you ...

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:14:49pm

re: #116 OldLineTexan

He's not a pirate he's a volunteer Somalian Coast Guard crewman ...

He's a Somalian Coast Guard Sea Scout!

429 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:14:53pm

re: #339 Nevergiveup

Where? Anatomically speaking, of course.

430 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:15:45pm

re: #419 apachegunner

got to upding that! well said! evening lizards from the embassy by the Louisville airport. is there any thing left to talk about?

How was your trip?

431 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:15:52pm

re: #419 apachegunner

got to upding that! well said! evening lizards from the embassy by the Louisville airport. is there any thing left to talk about?

Are you air guard?

432 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:00pm

On this and recent threads; I was born at the end of WWII. I did not experience it, but in many ways I grew up with it. Between movies (still available as golden oldies), books, and stories by older family members.

I think I grew up with the impression that this type of politics, discrimination and abomination would never again be tolerated by civil societies.

I was wrong.

History repeats itself thanks to ignorance and apologists for ignorance. I dare say, even my own children do not appreciate what I took for granted as something learned to be never repeated; but I did not tell them unpleasant bedtime stories and relied on school for basic history. In my family case I think they have learned from osmosis however, but it is clear that much of the world is now living in total ignorance, or falsehood of what their ancestors learned.

So we start again, and this is a better place than most to tell the ignorant, or the depraved, what they are.

433 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:01pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

.....and according to the judge, he is an adult, and will be tried as such.

434 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:02pm

re: #385 Dainn

Career spies will back off their efforts, be more circumspect and worry about covering their assets. They still will work, but on a self-imposed leash. "When in doubt, don't" will be the new style.

That is, until we get attacked again and Obama feels a political necessity to grow a pair.

If you remember after 9/11, alot of the media attacked the goverment cause they let things slide. Things they should have looked into more. Career spies are now between a rock and a hard place. Aggressive and they are in trouble. A self-imposed leash and something happens, they are in trouble because they weren't doing their job.

435 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:13pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

He's a Somalian Coast Guard Sea Scout!

Sea Kitten Handler.

436 Yashmak  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:42pm

re: #397 Athos

Instead, in their fear and short sightedness, they felt that any ally would be acceptable and decided that cutting a deal with the devil was worth it.

Seems to me, that alliance with Nazi's and their ilk hasn't worked out too well for those who have thought it acceptable in the past. I seem to recall this thing called Operation Barbarossa. . .

437 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:43pm

re: #429 calcajun

Where? Anatomically speaking, of course.

Well in the ass was always lucky and won ya a trip home?

438 VioletTiger  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:16:55pm

re: #397 Athos

If only some of them had the gonads to admit that they were wrong when somebody calls them on it. They dig their heels in instead.

439 WhiteRasta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:17:09pm

re: #420 axegrinder

More useless information for your errata file.

440 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:17:48pm

Prosecutors Considering Dropping Espionage Charges Against Former AIPAC Lobbyists

Federal prosecutors are considering whether to drop the charges against two former pro-Israel lobbyists accused of violating the Espionage Act, law enforcement sources and lawyers close to the case said today...

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

There never was a case.
This was trumped charge by David Szady, the FBI's resident Jew-hater.
My money is on him being behind the leak on Jane Harmon as well.

[Link: estherandjonathanpollard.net...]

441 Athos  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:18:51pm

It's also very interesting in that all that Charles does along the lines of the 'civil war' is point out the odious connections and beliefs of groups that useful idiots like Pamela and Spencer pal around with. There aren't stories around this posted daily by Charles. There were a number of posts on these groups and their connections when this started, but that was to factually demonstrate that these groups are as odious as they are claimed to be.

So, Charles says his peace about the odious associations and the epic fail that being connected with these groups in any way represents, and moves on to other issues.....until they attack him again. Yet the facts don't change, the associations don't change, it's all about not remedying the connection to these groups, its about discrediting Charles and LGF.

The fact that they are still attacking and whinging about this says a lot for the reach and influence of Charles and LGF - and how they fear common sense, honesty, and facts.

442 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:18:59pm

I finally get to look in on LGF, and discover that the thread has gone to gossip.

Oh, well.

I'm out for the day, very soon. I thought I'd mention, so long as we're not really on topic any more, that the re-write is almost complete (some things need to be moved, and one scene expanded, then I'm declaring it done). If you are one of my readers, I should be sending you the new pdf. by Friday.

If you don't want to read it, please let me know.

443 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:19:06pm

re: #230 The Shadow Do

First the article Charles posted upstairs seems a fairly succinct synopsis of the situation.

Second, will Madona adopt that poor little pirate kid?

She has been looking to bring another little one home. And apparently Malawi refused to waive the residency requirement for her.

444 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:19:13pm

speechless

RFK Jr. Blasts Obama as 'Indentured Servant' to Coal Industry
Critics Say Clean Coal Is a Boondoggle; 'Clean Coal Is a Dirty Lie'
By BRIAN ROSS and JOSEPH RHEE
April 21, 2009

"Clean coal is a dirty lie," says environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who calls President Barack Obama and other politicians who commit taxpayer money to develop it "indentured servants" of the coal industry.

I'm so glad that the left has its own prominent idiots and lunatics. The MSM sweeps their dirt under the rug usually, so I really enjoy when we get to see it anyway.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

445 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:20:19pm

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon warned Tuesday that Sudan's expulsion of 16 aid organizations from Darfur is putting the lives of over 1 million innocent civilians at risk and increasing the potential for instability in the region.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yeah, but it's so much more fun to go after Israel isn't it?

446 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:20:35pm

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Sea Kitten Handler.

I had sea kittens for lunch. ;)

447 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:20:52pm

re: #427 JacksonTn

AG ... do you always stay in Embassy? ... I kinda remember you were in Baltimore when I was there some time ago ... and you were at an Embassy ... at least I believe it was you ...


yep, if there is one there i am in it. great rates normally lower than the per diem.

448 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:21:16pm

re: #445 Nevergiveup

How can you increase instability in a place that is the definition of anarchy?

449 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:21:17pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Exactly. That's why these stories are started by guys like Alex Jones and the Paulians who have always hated the American Government. Regular Conservatives are just dupes repeating these paranoid conspiracy theories.

Ok...if you say so.

450 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:21:19pm

re: #402 LGoPs

Or at least as pissed off War Pigs.
:)

All right. Since nobody else want to do it, I'll do it myself........
"Cry Hamhock and unleash the Hogs of War"

I love that saying....
:)

451 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:21:40pm

re: #431 DEZes

Are you air guard?


no DoD

452 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:21:42pm

re: #448 pingjockey

How can you increase instability in a place that is the definition of anarchy?

The UN are experts at that!

453 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:22:10pm

re: #446 DEZes
IIRC, Rush was calling the pirates "Somali Marine Organizers" or something like that.

454 TedStriker  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:22:13pm

re: #399 Racer X

Never let a crisis go to waste.
- Rahm Emanuel

Never miss a chance to fuck the taxpayer out of cash.
- Dianne Feinstein

And the MFMSM will sweep Feinstein's "indiscretions" aside because she's a lib like they are...

/f**kers

455 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:22:25pm

re: #451 apachegunner

no DoD

Thanks, just wondered.

456 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:22:44pm

re: #451 apachegunner

no DoD

The "4" on my DoD car sticker is coming off. Can you send me a new one?

457 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:22:53pm

re: #453 pingjockey

IIRC, Rush was calling the pirates "Somali Marine Organizers" or something like that.

LOL.

458 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:23:03pm

re: #434 screaming_eagle

re: #434 screaming_eagle

If you remember after 9/11, alot of the media attacked the goverment cause they let things slide. Things they should have looked into more. Career spies are now between a rock and a hard place. Aggressive and they are in trouble. A self-imposed leash and something happens, they are in trouble because they weren't doing their job.


Remember not so long ago when the Dems were foaming at the mouth to implement the 911 Commission recommendations? Seems to me one of the big ones was to repair our lagging human intelligence capabilities.

459 brookly red  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:23:21pm

re: #450 LGoPs

All right. Since nobody else want to do it, I'll do it myself........
"Cry Hamhock and unleash the Hogs of War"

I love that saying....
:)


Pssssst, thats "let slip" not unleash ;)

460 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:23:30pm
"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized. In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident".

- Arthur Schopenhauer

461 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:23:38pm

re: #452 Nevergiveup

The UN are experts at that!

yes...the beat goes on and the paychecks get cut...it never ends and it never will...who could possibly give a fuck what happens to Sudan?, other than to say what a shame eh?

462 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:23:44pm

re: #456 Nevergiveup

The "4" on my DoD car sticker is coming off. Can you send me a new one?

you got it doc!

463 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:24:08pm

re: #458 Dainn

Wheel keeps on spinning.

464 WhiteRasta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:24:11pm

re: #434 screaming_eagle

At least you won't be prosecuted for not doing your job. That useless shit,who was head of the CIA at the time of 9/11 is a classic case in point.

465 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:24:25pm

re: #461 albusteve

yes...the beat goes on and the paychecks get cut...it never ends and it never will...who could possibly give a fuck what happens to Sudan?, other than to say what a shame eh?

Painfully true.

466 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:24:48pm

re: #461 albusteve
I figure that's what the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay will say if I'magonnajihad nukes Tel Aviv.

467 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:24:54pm

re: #465 Dianna
what you said.

468 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:25:30pm

re: #458 Dainn

re: #434 screaming_eagle


Remember not so long ago when the Dems were foaming at the mouth to implement the 911 Commission recommendations? Seems to me one of the big ones was to repair our lagging human intelligence capabilities.

Didn't that report also point out that they were at WAR with us and we refused to admit it?

469 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:25:44pm

re: #460 Irish Rose


"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized. In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident".

- Arthur Schopenhauer

There's a fourth stage. Leftist college professors ridicule it again.

470 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:25:44pm

re: #465 Dianna

Is your book being published?

471 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:25:49pm

re: #459 brookly red

Pssssst, thats "let slip" not unleash ;)

Thanks for the correction......my Shakespeare is rusty......
*red faced* :)

here we go again....correctly this time...
"Cry Hamhock and let slip the Hogs of War"

I still love it....

472 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:25:51pm

re: #466 pingjockey

I figure that's what the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay will say if I'magonnajihad nukes Tel Aviv.

nukes are bigtime...light one up and you die...pretty simple

473 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:26:06pm

re: #444 funky chicken

speechless

I'm so glad that the left has its own prominent idiots and lunatics. The MSM sweeps their dirt under the rug usually, so I really enjoy when we get to see it anyway.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

The left has their fair share of hood wearing racists as well. They just think they can be more open about it without getting called on it.

474 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:27:08pm

re: #471 LGoPs

Thanks for the correction......my Shakespeare is rusty......
*red faced* :)

here we go again....correctly this time...
"Cry Hamhock and let slip the Hogs of War"

I still love it....

Works better that way too, slips, greasy pigs......

475 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:27:55pm

re: #473 Racer X
Only on the left could a former Grand Kleagle of the Klan be a Senator.

476 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:27:57pm

re: #470 DEZes

Is your book being published?

I don't know, yet. This is the re-write - a number of people here have the first draft, and have commented on it.

Now we see if the re-write helped, or if I go back to the first draft.

477 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:07pm

the subdudes are telling me something...they say there are forces beyond what I can control...but I can hear the music and dig the beat....I love the subdudes

478 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:11pm

Is it ... feed a cold ... starve a fever ? or the other way around ...

I am sick and hungry ... what to do ...

479 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:36pm

re: #464 WhiteRasta

My big fear is that the first responders are going to be the ones that will suffer. It won't be Congress or CIA or any other bureaucracy, it will be us. The men and women on the front lines, and once again there will be gnashing of teeth, and wringing of hands, and once again the politicians will use us for their benefits

480 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:46pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Is it ... feed a cold ... starve a fever ? or the other way around ...

I am sick and hungry ... what to do ...

Drink

481 brookly red  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:46pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Is it ... feed a cold ... starve a fever ? or the other way around ...

I am sick and hungry ... what to do ...

drink.

482 transient  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:48pm

re: #445 Nevergiveup

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon warned Tuesday that Sudan's expulsion of 16 aid organizations from Darfur is putting the lives of over 1 million innocent civilians at risk and increasing the potential for instability in the region.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yeah, but it's so much more fun to go after Israel isn't it?

What TV and beer are to most of us (cheap distracting entertainment), Israel-bashing is to the rest of the world.

Had a bad day? Did your economy collapse? Do your citizens not appreciate your efforts to protect them by censoring dangerous ideas and weeding out subversive elements? Receive a harshly worded letter from the UN lately? Don't sulk. We have the answer! Submit your 5000 word essay to the UN General Assembly on why Israel should cease to exist! Top candidates will receive all expense paid trip to NYC, including standing ovation at the UNGA.

483 WhiteRasta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:53pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Rum!

484 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:54pm

re: #477 albusteve

the subdudes are telling me something...they say there are forces beyond what I can control...but I can hear the music and dig the beat....I love the subdudes

albusteve ... subdudes ... love them ... do you like the Radiators? ...

485 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:56pm
Venezuela Opposition Leader Rosales Flees to Peru

Venezuelan opposition leader and Maracaibo Mayor Manuel Rosales, who was scheduled to appear in court yesterday on corruption charges, has left the country and is seeking political asylum in Peru.

The mayor is being “politically persecuted,” said his wife, Eveling Rosales, in comments broadcast by CNN’s Spanish- language channel. Manuel Rosales, 56, lost the 2006 presidential election to President Hugo Chavez.

“The fundamental problem is that there’s no credibility in the judicial system, which is a system that’s been completely politicized,” Leopoldo Lopez, a member of Rosales’s Un Nuevo Tiempo party and former mayor of the Caracas borough of Chacao, said in a telephone interview. “This is retaliation and selective repression.”

Opposition leaders say Rosales’s case stems from Chavez’s reaction to his opponents winning elections in the country’s biggest cities and states in November, when Rosales took the mayor’s office in Maracaibo, the country’s second-biggest city. In addition to Rosales, former Defense Minister Raul Baduel, who turned on Chavez in 2007, has been detained in connection with a corruption probe, prosecutors said.

Handshake repercussions continue.

486 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:28:58pm

I'm off. Time to catch a train.

Take care, lizards!

487 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:29:22pm

re: #476 Dianna

I don't know, yet. This is the re-write - a number of people here have the first draft, and have commented on it.

Now we see if the re-write helped, or if I go back to the first draft.

I see, shame I wasnt in on that.

Best of luck.

488 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:29:26pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Is it ... feed a cold ... starve a fever ? or the other way around ...

I am sick and hungry ... what to do ...

get some music going first...the rest will take care of itself

489 brookly red  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:29:41pm

re: #480 Nevergiveup

Drink

dang, not even one second difference...

490 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:29:41pm

Major oooops

491 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:29:49pm

On topic - this Geller/GoV/Spencer blinkered support for white supremacists speaks volumes about their character, never mind their political naivete.

492 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:30:03pm

re: #474 DEZes

Works better that way too, slips, greasy pigs......

LOL.....

493 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #480 Nevergiveup

Drink

HEAVILY AND OFTEN

494 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:30:16pm

re: #480 Nevergiveup

Drink


good, Good!

495 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:30:31pm

re: #484 JacksonTn

albusteve ... subdudes ... love them ... do you like the Radiators? ...

yes but they pale in comparison....he who rules Tip's rules the world

496 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:31:03pm

re: #286 Killian Bundy

Obama signs service bill, says volunteers needed

Gee, that's more than 30 F-22 Raptors that we supposedly can't afford.

/for all that wasted money, they better be able to train these community Bonkey get out the vote organizers to fly and achieve air supremacy over the Chinese and Russians

o needs their service right now. our tax money to pay his little helpers.
does this include the little kids signing hymns to his majesty.

497 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:31:22pm

re: #450 LGoPs

Cry Hammond and let slip the organs of war!
Cry Hammock and let flip the hot dogs of war

498 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:31:33pm

re: #485 Racer X

Handshake repercussions continue.

Ya got that right.

499 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:31:45pm

re: #485 Racer X

Handshake repercussions continue.


Fair price. Now Obama staffers will be invited to Sean Penn's Oscar after party next year.

/You gotta put this stuff in perspective!

500 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:31:54pm

Time to split.
Lets see if the Red Sox are playing or is the game rained out.

Play nice Everyone

501 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:31:58pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Call the White House and ask to be healed.///

502 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:32:05pm

for those that have a groove...otherwise stand aside


503 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:32:17pm

On topic, and for any of the new Lizards who hadn't seen this, or the older Lizards who missed this. When Charles first pointed these problems out on LGF, I sent Robert Spencer an email questioning these groups and support coming from the anti-jihadist. His answer...

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Oops. Wrong answer, huh Robert.

504 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:32:43pm

re: #327 formercorpsman

We were talking about this..

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Did you know that they probably meant Bill Kristol, the FOX commentator?
Not Billy Crystal the comedian.

505 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:33:06pm

re: #474 DEZes

Works better that way too, slips, greasy pigs......

If I was back in the Army I would paint that on my Bradley. War Pig
Actually, Back in Germany in the '80's one of our sister battalions had the motto Battle Boar. 30th Infantry IIRC.

506 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:33:22pm

Frank Gaffney on Hugh Hewitt just now talking about President Obama's about-face on the possibility of prosecuting former Bush Adminstration officials.

Gaffney said the administration has a Pogobama world view. "We have met the enemy and he is us."

507 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:33:41pm

he never would bow...
he never would kneel


Brother John

508 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:33:42pm

re: #504 reine.de.tout

Did you know that they probably meant Bill Kristol, the FOX commentator?
Not Billy Crystal the comedian.

Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh...

(we already beat this to death up thread)

509 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:33:45pm

re: #497 calcajun

Cry Hammond and let slip the organs of war!
Cry Hammock and let flip the hot dogs of war

LOL......

510 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:09pm

re: #503 Walter L. Newton
I remember that! Basically, "Fuck off Walter". I'm Robert Spenser and you're not.

511 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:10pm

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Mr. Spencer cannot have it both ways--and he cannot ally himself with these people lest what credibility he still has be destroyed.

512 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:12pm

My favorite part of the article:

“Not only that,” said Bodissey, “he made it harder for certain American anti-jihad groups to raise funds if they failed to repudiate his designated ‘fascist-enablers’ like us.”

Johnson is unapologetic about his actions.

This is no joke. It's not a civil war either, but it is serious. Denying these creeps the means to spread their poison is a worthy accomplishment.

513 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:14pm

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh...

(we already beat this to death up thread)

Sorry! I just realized how far behind I am.

514 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:17pm

re: #506 HelloDare

Frank Gaffney on Hugh Hewitt just now talking about President Obama's about-face on the possibility of prosecuting former Bush Adminstration officials.

Gaffney said the administration has a Pogobama world view. "We have met the enemy and he is us."

I was listening. Good interview.

515 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:18pm

I propose a new conservative drinking game. During an Obama speech, every time he blames current problems on "the previous administration" you take a drink.

Don't play if you can't hold your alcohol. This will get you smashed.

516 apachegunner  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:29pm

/go blago (on tv right now)

517 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:30pm

re: #505 LGoPs

If I was back in the Army I would paint that on my Bradley. War Pig
Actually, Back in Germany in the '80's one of our sister battalions had the motto Battle Boar. 30th Infantry IIRC.

Thanks for your service.
Cheers.

518 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:34:58pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Is it ... feed a cold ... starve a fever ? or the other way around ...

I am sick and hungry ... what to do ...

That's a myth. If you are hungry eat. It will keep your body strong and fight off the infection better.

519 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #491 rightymouse

On topic - this Geller/GoV/Spencer blinkered support for white supremacists speaks volumes about their character, never mind their political naivete.

I have to wonder though, how much of this is really naivete, and how much of it is ideological agreement. This has gone on for too long for me to really be able to continue justifying pam & bob's behavior as anything other than stemming from ignorance. They know who these people are.

520 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:36:25pm

re: #514 LGoPs

I was listening. Good interview.

Gaffney sounded depressed. He's usually not that upbeat but he was as down as I've ever heard him.

521 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:36:41pm

re: #519 Sharmuta
Exactly, they know who these rat bastards are and don't care.

522 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:36:59pm

re: #485 Racer X

Obama working his magic?

523 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:37:42pm

re: #520 HelloDare

Gaffney sounded depressed. He's usually not that upbeat but he was as down as I've ever heard him.

There is much reason to be depressed, for heaven's sake.
For starters, we are being governed by an entire class of people bent on our destruction.

524 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:37:42pm

re: #514 LGoPs

I was listening. Good interview.

I hope Gaffney writes an article and used that term.

525 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:38:14pm

re: #522 Nevergiveup
I gaurentee you he can't deliver the line "Now go and do that voodoo that you do so well" Like Harvey Korman.

526 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:38:33pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

I have to wonder though, how much of this is really naivete, and how much of it is ideological agreement. This has gone on for too long for me to really be able to continue justifying pam & bob's behavior as anything other than stemming from ignorance. They know who these people are.

Feigned ignorance I would say? And why not the opposite? Knowledge?

527 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:38:40pm

re: #513 reine.de.tout

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

Sorry! I just realized how far behind I am.

And you haven't read the thread, either.////

528 callahan23  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:38:42pm

Holland or England: Who is going to save Europe's freedom?

The Dutch parliament on Tuesday approved a motion seeking to block any dialogue between government officials and Hamas, Geert Wilders’ Party for Freedom announced. The motion - made in effort to counter growing calls in Europe to engage the Islamist group in dialogue - was put forward by MP Raymond de Roon, third on Wilders’ list. “Hamas is not only anti-Zionist,” de Roon previously wrote about Hamas. “It is anti-Jewish and a racist organization. If the West speaks to Hamas, it will foment Jew-hatred.” Jpost: Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal is set to address a meeting of MPs and peers in the British parliament via a videoconference from Damascus on Wednesday.

The first link is to an English article on a German site.
The website, by the way is a conglomeration of politically incorrect and non-mainstream journalist who write against the opinions de jour. 'Achse des Guten' translates literally to 'Axis of the Good'.
Cheers
Harry C.

529 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:38:55pm

I would be remiss if I did not re-post this.
[Link: www.newhaven20.com...]

Tomorrow, the New Haven 20 [New Haven Fire Department 20], case will be going before the U.S. Supreme Court. If you have not seen the case, check out the link above.

Thanks

530 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:39:05pm

re: #523 rawmuse

There is much reason to be depressed, for heaven's sake.
For starters, we are being governed by an entire class of people bent on our destruction.

Gaffney is more upbeat when he talks about EMP weapons.

531 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:39:13pm

Hugh hewitt talking to Michael Gerson about the 'torture' issue. Gerson just said that if Obama pursues this they will also need to hold Pelosi and Rockefeller responsible since they were briefed multiple times and agreed.
It almost might be worth it to trade a couple of our guys for the Witch Queen of Angmar (Pelosi).
/

532 Racer X  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:39:30pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

It may just be Pamela's desire to gain more visitors to her site. What'd she get - 12 comments today?

533 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:40:09pm

re: #532 Racer X
Mwahahaha! Is it really that bad?

534 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:40:39pm

re: #515 Dainn

I propose a new conservative drinking game. During an Obama speech, every time he blames current problems on "the previous administration" you take a drink.

Don't play if you can't hold your alcohol. This will get you smashed.

At the end of the game you have to find a liberal to piss on.......

535 DEZes  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:40:53pm

Im out take care lizards.
We all know what today is, so I will close with...
NEVER AGAIN.
sleep well the fallen.

536 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:41:12pm

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

I guess Spencer doesn't know that he could wake up with fleas by sleeping with dogs, regardless of breed.

537 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:41:28pm

Don't they know LGF is a preserving blog?

538 screaming_eagle  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:41:41pm

re: #534 LGoPs

At the end of the game you have to find a liberal to piss on.......

LMAO

539 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:41:42pm

re: #534 LGoPs
Only if they aren't on fire!

540 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:42:11pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

I have to wonder though, how much of this is really naivete, and how much of it is ideological agreement. This has gone on for too long for me to really be able to continue justifying pam & bob's behavior as anything other than stemming from ignorance. They know who these people are.

with respect, what difference does it make?...they turned and are gone...you have to take it at face value

541 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:42:25pm

Obama invites Mideast leaders for separate White House talks


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I bet Bibi is last, and he is gonna be handed a piece of paper and told sign!

542 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:42:39pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Bill Crystal just made a great point. That even just "threatening" to prosecute people who go after terrorists is putting us back into a Pre 9/11 mindset and will put us in mortal danger.

leftist flakes like o and his vindictive cohorts are a disgrace to this country.
they obviously do not put the safety of america citizens before their own
petty agenda.
just despicable.

543 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:42:50pm

Headline of the day (well, from yesterday... with a hat tip to Mark Steyn):

Calls Iranian Speech Vile, But Open To Dialogue

Just because you preach genocide, doesn't mean we don't want to talk to you.

Later.

544 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:42:53pm

re: #532 Racer X

It may just be Pamela's desire to gain more visitors to her site. What'd she get - 12 comments today?

cha-ching!

545 brookly red  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:43:23pm

re: #534 LGoPs

At the end of the game you have to find a liberal to piss on.......

I am in NYC that should be easy! heck I could even charge for it...

546 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:43:26pm

re: #541 Nevergiveup
How do you say "stick it up your ass Mr. President" in Hebrew?

547 SalsaNChips  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:43:50pm

Just gotta say – this morning I saw a featured post on a very well known, respected “conservative” blog, of a speaker at a tea party in Dallas, and she starts it out with a statement that “Texas should close it’s borders and secede from the nation!”. Followed by much applause. Followed by a chorus of blogging approval.

Excuse me? What the hell is the matter with (some) of these people? Dividing our nation? Opening the gates of secessionistic Hell? We've been there, done that -- IT DOESN'T WORK.

This is how the end – begins.

I am worried about how the perfectly valid, grass-root (originally) tea party movement has morphed (in some cases) into a secessionist preaching group of nuts.

548 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:44:00pm

re: #535 DEZes

Im out take care lizards.
We all know what today is, so I will close with...
NEVER AGAIN.
sleep well the fallen.

Take care DEZ.....
:)

549 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:44:03pm

OK Everyone -

Fascists BE Fascists - like DUH - some have accepted Israel as a bulwark against Islamization. Good for them, 64 years (..."when I'm 64"... - Sgt. Pepper), AFTER the Shoah. As to the others - FEH! You are the same PRICKS all 'y'all were in the 1930's. That is all.

-S-

550 Dainn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:44:53pm

re: #532 Racer X

It may just be Pamela's desire to gain more visitors to her site. What'd she get - 12 comments today?

Hmm, so if I make baseless hateful attacks on Charles it could up my hitcount?

/ponder :)

551 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:44:59pm

re: #540 albusteve

with respect, what difference does it make?...they turned and are gone...you have to take it at face value

Hon- I DO take it at face value. They're on the side of the fascists. They've made that clear.

552 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:45:02pm

re: #546 pingjockey

How do you say "stick it up your ass Mr. President" in Hebrew?

He is the President of The United States so that would be " stick it up you ass Mr. President Please"

553 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:45:24pm

re: #552 Nevergiveup

He is the President of The United States so that would be " stick it up you ass Mr. President Please"

And Bibi speaks perfect English

554 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:45:34pm

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

On topic, and for any of the new Lizards who hadn't seen this, or the older Lizards who missed this. When Charles first pointed these problems out on LGF, I sent Robert Spencer an email questioning these groups and support coming from the anti-jihadist. His answer...

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Oops. Wrong answer, huh Robert.

Are you Fucking kidding me? He would lie down with Neo-Nazi's to fight atni-jihad? Is he insane or just plain stupid...jesh what a tool

555 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:45:43pm

Andrew McCarthy on Hewitt now. I love him.

556 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:46:01pm

re: #552 Nevergiveup
Well, If I was Mr. Netanyahu, I wouldn't say please!

557 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:46:14pm

re: #382 smokefire

That is the title, there is a line that does say the wind screams Mary. I agree the title is as you say.

..........and the wind whispers Mary.................too

558 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #556 pingjockey

Well, If I was Mr. Netanyahu, I wouldn't say please!

Well if your gonna ask for more f-35s in the next breath you might?

559 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:47:46pm

re: #558 Nevergiveup
If we aren't building them, how are the Israelis gonna buy 'em?

560 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:48:26pm

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

On topic, and for any of the new Lizards who hadn't seen this, or the older Lizards who missed this. When Charles first pointed these problems out on LGF, I sent Robert Spencer an email questioning these groups and support coming from the anti-jihadist. His answer...

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Oops. Wrong answer, huh Robert.

Now there's a keeper.

561 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:49:04pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

I have to wonder though, how much of this is really naivete, and how much of it is ideological agreement. This has gone on for too long for me to really be able to continue justifying pam & bob's behavior as anything other than stemming from ignorance. They know who these people are.


They know and they don't care. They willfully ignore the obvious consequences that history has proven over and over again. I don't perceive them as stupid people. Unwise, naive, defensively thin-skinned and histrionic, yes. In the end, I think we'll come to see that it's is about power and fame on their part. They want to stay in the 'game'.

562 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:49:17pm

re: #547 SalsaNChips
Speaking of which,
What is the latest ruling on the 10th Amendment? Is it still valid?

563 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:49:18pm

Crap. Every time I get busy something awesome happens.

Could this be the beginning of the Neo-Neo Con movement?

564 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:49:27pm

re: #540 albusteve

with respect, what difference does it make?...they turned and are gone...you have to take it at face value


It could make a difference. I think Spencer's bigotry could have been spotted earlier. I would not have known what I was looking at, but some of the stuff Medaura brought out about him could have clued somebody in earlier.

It is important to spot this stuff coming as early as possible. It is important to know whether those who you work with for secure borders don't turn around and advocate for removing Hispanics from the USA. It is important to notice whether the Tea Party you attend has been organized by isolationist Jew-haters.

565 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:49:36pm
566 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:50:19pm

re: #551 Sharmuta

Hon- I DO take it at face value. They're on the side of the fascists. They've made that clear.

and they have followers...that's the part where I give you and Charles and others so much credit...I don't give a fuck about the blogshots, it's the ordinary people that go over there and then can't get out...stupified and forever tainted...it's beyond radical Islam, and P and R know it...they fucking know it, but that's where the hit's are....it is so perverted it's literally sickening

567 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:50:25pm

re: #561 rightymouse

They know and they don't care. They willfully ignore the obvious consequences that history has proven over and over again. I don't perceive them as stupid people. Unwise, naive, defensively thin-skinned and histrionic, yes. In the end, I think we'll come to see that it's is about power and fame on their part. They want to stay in the 'game'.

Indeed. Ego and self enrichment.

568 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:50:52pm

re: #554 HoosierHoops

Are you Fucking kidding me? He would lie down with Neo-Nazi's to fight atni-jihad? Is he insane or just plain stupid...jesh what a tool

That's what he wrote me, plain and simple. Let's assume that, at the time of my writing him, he had NO KNOWLEDGE of some of these groups ties to nationalism and other SUPREMACIST connections.

Fine. But his email back to me indicates he is not concerned, even if it's the truth.

So, there is no way to wriggle out of this email exchange.

569 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:51:36pm

re: #560 Gus 802


And see my re: #568 Walter L. Newton

570 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:51:52pm

re: #559 pingjockey

If we aren't building them, how are the Israelis gonna buy 'em?

We are not building the F-22. Who said we are not building the F-35? Of course since we let the Chinese steal the plans, they Israelis could just buy the knock off from them I guess?

571 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:52:03pm

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

agreed Walter

572 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:52:33pm

re: #567 Sharmuta

Indeed. Ego and self enrichment.


Yep.

573 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:52:39pm

re: #570 Nevergiveup
I didn't think obambi was gonna build any new jets?

574 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:53:17pm

It seems there's obviously a neo-racist movement. They got cranky when one of their friends (or so they thought) called BS. I think they reacted violently since it hit a little too close to home.

When your enemy calls you names, you expect it. When somebody you trust and you think is on your side calls you out, it really hurts. That's why they got so nasty on Charles so quick.

575 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:53:45pm

re: #478 JacksonTn

Is it ... feed a cold ... starve a fever ? or the other way around ...

I am sick and hungry ... what to do ...

I've been told it's:

Drown them both. Lots of liquids and liquid foods (chicken noodle soup, etc.)

576 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:54:24pm

re: #573 pingjockey

I didn't think obambi was gonna build any new jets?

Actually if I read things correctly. Only a few more F-22. And althought we are building the F-35's the timeline has been stretched out and the Navy in particular is going to have a fighter gap since the F-18s are wearing out. And the F-15's are also getting long in the tooth.

577 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:54:43pm

I didn't realize the Nevilles were so unpopular around here...so with regard to that here is some more....choke it

578 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:54:57pm

Charles has less friends now: quantity went down, but quality went up.

579 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:55:21pm

re: #560 Gus 802

Post that thing everywhere. His tacit non-denial is an endorsement. He had a chance to distance himself and he did not--it is an admission.

580 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:55:38pm

re: #577 albusteve

I didn't realize the Nevilles were so unpopular around here...so with regard to that here is some more....choke it

They are so done.

581 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:56:17pm

re: #580 Walter L. Newton

I still like the Nevilles.

582 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:56:38pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

I have to wonder though, how much of this is really naivete, and how much of it is ideological agreement. This has gone on for too long for me to really be able to continue justifying pam & bob's behavior as anything other than stemming from ignorance. They know who these people are.

I would have to say that I'm pretty sure they know who they are aligning themselves with. They know of their nationalism and their racialist intentions of creating a pure "whites only" culture. Or in the case of Vlaams Belang and their legacy of Vlaams Bok and their ties with the SS and collaborators.

They are so blinded by this self anointed position of anti- Jihadism that they consciously block out any critical thinking regarding the potential threat from the groups they align themselves with. It is not unlike as was suggested by someone yesterday the story of the the scorpion and the frog. Of course the frog in this case may very well be society.

583 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:56:40pm

re: #581 rawmuse

I still like the Nevilles.

I still like the Kinks, but that don't win me any points.

584 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:56:41pm

re: #556 pingjockey

Well, If I was Mr. Netanyahu, I wouldn't say please!

pingjockey -

In a REAL or FAIR world PM Netanyahu would say, "...follow me if you dare, as you should, and have promised..." Unfortunately, we live in the real world, in which we have known since 1962 (1961 if you were A MEMBER of Brigada 2056) "LIFE IS NOT FAIR" - Pres. John F. Kennedy.

-S-

585 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:56:45pm

re: #576 Nevergiveup
Is the F-35 not as good as a air superiority fighter as the F-22? I do know the F-15 is pushing 30! That's why the Navy retired the F-14, air frames were too old. Lots more Gs pulled by a fighter than a bomber.

586 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:57:01pm

re: #581 rawmuse

I still like the Nevilles.

I do too.

587 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:57:04pm

The Wild Chapatoulas too.

588 Simply Me  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:57:17pm

Well, I do appreciate Charles pointing out the problems with some of the icons of the right.

For me, it is starting to sink in that Geert Wilders is a bad guy. He seems like a good guy because his free speech is being violated. But he is willing to violate the free speech of others -- he wants the Quran banned! And he even wants to make Muslims so uncomfortable that they will leave his country. That is a kind of racism by another name.

I am thinking that the problem is that Wilddrs views all Islam as bad, just lesser forms waiting to morph into radical Islam. The good guys respect free speech and do not hate Muslims. The good guys are trying to make the distinction between Islam and radical Islam.

589 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:57:18pm

re: #581 rawmuse

I still like the Nevilles.

How about this one?

Image: neville_chamberlain_and_adolf_hitler_peace_in_our_time.jpg

590 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:57:36pm

re: #579 calcajun

Post that thing everywhere. His tacit non-denial is an endorsement. He had a chance to distance himself and he did not--it is an admission.

It should be publicized. Of course that would be up to Walter.

591 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:58:20pm

re: #577 albusteve

I didn't realize the Nevilles were so unpopular around here...so with regard to that here is some more....choke it

[Video]

albusteve ... why would they be unpopular? ... so I guess Dr. John and the Meters are out ... NOT ...

592 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:58:25pm

re: #576 Nevergiveup

Actually if I read things correctly. Only a few more F-22. And althought we are building the F-35's the timeline has been stretched out and the Navy in particular is going to have a fighter gap since the F-18s are wearing out. And the F-15's are also getting long in the tooth.

Nevergiveup -

Don't Worry - Be Happy! Perhaps our DoD will buy Chinese J-10's from Wal-Mart!

-S-

593 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:58:48pm

re: #583 Walter L. Newton

I still like the Kinks, but that don't win me any points.

That wins you a point with me.

594 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:58:51pm

re: #584 Dr. Shalit
I was born in 1959, so I don't know your reference to 1962. No life is not fair.

595 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:59:21pm

re: #585 pingjockey

Is the F-35 not as good as a air superiority fighter as the F-22? I do know the F-15 is pushing 30! That's why the Navy retired the F-14, air frames were too old. Lots more Gs pulled by a fighter than a bomber.

The F-22 is THE air superiority fighter. The F-35 is a compromise fighter/bomber and a throw back in my opinion to the bad old days of one plane fits all.

596 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:59:23pm

re: #453 pingjockey

IIRC, Rush was calling the pirates "Somali Marine Organizers" or something like that.

They're the Somali Coast Guard.

597 Bloodnok  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:59:24pm

re: #583 Walter L. Newton

I still like the Kinks, but that don't win me any points.

I have no points to give for that. But I do have an upding.

598 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:59:39pm

re: #587 rawmuse

The Wild Chapatoulas too.

Do you mean "Wild Tchoupitoulas"?

599 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:00:02pm
600 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:00:16pm

re: #555 LGoPs

Andrew McCarthy on Hewitt now. I love him.


Law & Jihad - An Interview With Andrew McCarthy

601 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:00:21pm

re: #588 Simply Me

Islam is not a race.

602 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:01:51pm

re: #598 reine.de.tout

Yes, those are the ones. Sorry, forgot about the silent "T" and all those other letters.

603 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:02:04pm

BBL, going to fix some dinner! BLTs I think.

604 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:03:05pm

re: #594 pingjockey

I was born in 1959, so I don't know your reference to 1962. No life is not fair.

OK Ping -

Simi was born in 1958, about your age. The biggest difference we have in memory is that of the Kennedy Administration "as it happened" - so I can understand. Please "Search Engine" it - I do believe I am correct on this one.

-S- (Nephew of a 1960 Kennedy "BobbySoxer")

605 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:03:29pm

re: #590 Gus 802

It should be publicized. Of course that would be up to Walter.

It's been around a few times. Robert has even dumped on me on his blog, so I'm not worried, if anyone wants to report it, ALL OF IT, then do so, with a full explanation as I have posted.

606 BignJames  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:03:48pm

re: #591 JacksonTn

albusteve ... why would they be unpopular? ... so I guess Dr. John and the Meters are out ... NOT ...




You mean Mack Rebennack?

607 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:03:54pm

re: #585 pingjockey

Is the F-35 not as good as a air superiority fighter as the F-22? I do know the F-15 is pushing 30! That's why the Navy retired the F-14, air frames were too old. Lots more Gs pulled by a fighter than a bomber.

F-35 is multi-role -- attack/fighter. Might depend on the cost per unit ratio. Say if you had 50 F-35s vs. 10 F-22s. Don't know what the results would be in that match up but I would bet on the 50 F-35s. I might be stretching the cost per unit ratio.

608 rightymouse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:03:55pm

Time to toddle off and be a teletubby until bed time.

Later!

609 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:04:46pm

re: #605 Walter L. Newton

It's been around a few times. Robert has even dumped on me on his blog, so I'm not worried, if anyone wants to report it, ALL OF IT, then do so, with a full explanation as I have posted.

I see. So he's in full bore denial mode. Not only that but he publicizes that denial.

610 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:05:06pm

re: #602 rawmuse

Yes, those are the ones. Sorry, forgot about the silent "T" and all those other letters.

LOL!
People think we here in Louisiana can't spell, but really, it's that we've gotten used to all the weird stuff.

611 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:05:10pm

re: #606 BignJames

You mean Mack Rebennack?

BJ ... yes ... Mac ... met him many times ... he is so f*cked up in the video I posted ... he grew up and was good friends with a guy I dated for some time back a long time ago ...

612 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:06:30pm

re: #609 Gus 802

I see. So he's in full bore denial mode. Not only that but he publicizes that denial.

Google "Walter L. Newton Jihad Watch" and read the article, I won't link to it.

613 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:07:30pm
614 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:08:09pm

re: #585 pingjockey

Is the F-35 not as good as a air superiority fighter as the F-22? I do know the F-15 is pushing 30! That's why the Navy retired the F-14, air frames were too old. Lots more Gs pulled by a fighter than a bomber.

The F-35 is meant to replace the F-18 A,B,C,D but not the F-18E/FSuper Hornet, F-16s, AV-8Bs, and A-10s. It's primary mission is attack however it can be fitted for air to air missions. The F-35 is to the F-22 as the F-16 is to the F-15.

615 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:09:28pm

it ain't on the radio...people have no clue

616 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:11:02pm

what's NOLA?....why should I care?...Axel rules eh?

617 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:11:12pm

re: #600 HelloDare

LGoPs

McCarthy sums it up nicely from 5:30 to 6:50.

618 callahan23  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:11:52pm

I am signing off.
{Lizardim}
{Never Again}

619 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:12:15pm

re: #615 albusteve

it ain't on the radio...people have no clue

albusteve ... I have XM radio and I still get tired of radio ... when I first got it ... thought it would be great ... but even xm plays many of the same songs over and over and over ...

620 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:12:17pm

re: #607 Gus 802

F-35 is multi-role -- attack/fighter. Might depend on the cost per unit ratio. Say if you had 50 F-35s vs. 10 F-22s. Don't know what the results would be in that match up but I would bet on the 50 F-35s. I might be stretching the cost per unit ratio.

You beat me. It should be mentioned that the F-35s can share information in realtime such as ground targets/threats. What one bird sees the others know and display it on the helmet mounted displays.

621 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:12:43pm

re: #618 callahan23

I am signing off.
{Lizardim}
{Never Again}

Never Again.
Sleep well Callahan.
:)

622 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:13:05pm

re: #587 rawmuse

Argh. Non-Louisianian trying to spell here.

Tchoupitoulas.

Thanks.

623 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:13:15pm

Jew-haters reach consensus; Pat each other on the back; NYT is elated.

U.N. Anti-Racism Meeting Reaches Consensus


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

624 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:13:48pm

re: #616 albusteve

what's NOLA?....why should I care?...Axel rules eh?

*WHACK* putz./

625 kansas  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:14:07pm

Meanwhile, in yet another Alinsky goad your enemy move in Obamaville,
Bambi's gonna prosecute lawyers for their opinions, but

"Legal experts wonder how Justice Department could pursue case that amounts to prosecuting legal opinion"

Hey experts, he's just fucking with us. Couple days, it'll be on to the next head fake to rile up the enemy. We are so fucked.

626 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:14:29pm

re: #620 Idle Drifter

You beat me. It should be mentioned that the F-35s can share information in realtime such as ground targets/threats. What one bird sees the others know and display it on the helmet mounted displays.

And speaking of the F-35...

Hackers stole data on Pentagon's newest fighter jet

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

627 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:14:37pm

re: #613 buzzdroid

That comment is not long for this world.

628 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:14:53pm

re: #610 reine.de.tout

Oh--you got them already. Oh well. I gave'em another for good measure.

629 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:15:01pm

re: #619 JacksonTn

albusteve ... I have XM radio and I still get tired of radio ... when I first got it ... thought it would be great ... but even xm plays many of the same songs over and over and over ...

I have my CDs...hundreds of boots...I don't need anything else besides a ticket to a gig and alot of times I don't even need that...live music rules in my world...even the Rads :)

630 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:15:16pm

re: #624 calcajun

*WHACK* putz./

Those 2 words in combination evoke a ........um....er. Never mind.
:)

631 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:15:29pm
632 buzzdroid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:15:30pm

obama has also cancelled the F-22


in a way i think the obama presidency will be a wake up call for the EU - to be less dependent on the U.S. nuclear umbrella.


which sucks - as the EU is fundementally anti-democratic.

633 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:16:06pm

re: #612 Walter L. Newton

Google "Walter L. Newton Jihad Watch" and read the article, I won't link to it.

Found it. Rather long post and I see he is once again using the pseudo attorney styled language he loves to use. He's always throwing around words like libel or defame as veiled threats.

It's interesting to note this section where he says:

But yes, I am going to continue to monitor the situation in Europe. In fact, as far as Vlaams Belang goes, I asked a Dutch speaker to examine the video Charles Johnson posted, of VB leader Filip Dewinter supposedly visiting a neofascist book fair. This is the information he sent me:

I notice that he didn't identify this "Dutch speaker" who could very well be anyone. The correct presentation would have been to present his defense of the neofascist book fair by using an identifiable and neutral individual. That he did not do this should raise another red flag.

634 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:16:22pm

re: #627 doppelganglander

That comment is not long for this world.

Went right in front of my eyes......never seen that happen before.

635 buzzdroid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:16:29pm

re: #625 kansas

Meanwhile, in yet another Alinsky goad your enemy move in Obamaville,
Bambi's gonna prosecute lawyers for their opinions, but

"Legal experts wonder how Justice Department could pursue case that amounts to prosecuting legal opinion"

Hey experts, he's just fucking with us. Couple days, it'll be on to the next head fake to rile up the enemy. We are so fucked.

yet more money for Obama's human rights lawyer friends...

636 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:16:35pm

re: #623 MJ

Typical NYT reporting, they tell you that a consensus has been reached without actually informing you of what it is.

Sometimes I actually come away from the NYT feeling dumber.

637 kansas  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:16:42pm

re: #632 buzzdroid

obama has also cancelled the F-22surrendered.

in a way i think the obama presidency will be a wake up call for the EU - to be less dependent on the U.S. nuclear umbrella.

which sucks - as the EU is fundementally anti-democratic.


638 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:17:08pm

anybody here ever feel the need to visit Congo Square as much as their need to visit AS or JW?....speak up

639 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:17:54pm

re: #588 Simply Me

The good guys are trying to make the distinction between Islam and radical Islam.

Good luck with that. The closer the slaves of Allah approach the sterling example set by their violent misogynistic pedophile "prophet" Mohammed, the farther they stray from humanity.

640 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:18:01pm

re: #610 reine.de.tout

You wanna really freak them out. Start telling them how the locals pronounce certain street names.

641 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:18:35pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

Ah. Thank you. My balm. My tonic.

642 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:18:44pm

re: #638 albusteve

anybody here ever feel the need to visit Congo Square as much as their need to visit AS or JW?....speak up

albusteve ... you lighting up ... or drinking ... just wondering ...

643 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:19:07pm

re: #613 buzzdroid

If you ever post anything like that at LGF again, your account will be history.

644 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:19:25pm

Barack Obama begins push for Middle East peace

...Obama appears to have come round to the view of advisers that the US will effectively have to impose much of any deal on Israel and the Palestinians rather than wait for one to emerge from the two sides. He said yesterday: "I agree that we can't talk forever, that at some point steps have to be taken so that people can see progress on the ground. And that will be something that we will expect to take place in the coming months.

"My hope would be that over the next several months, that you start seeing gestures of good faith on all sides. I don't want to get into the details of what those gestures might be, but I think that the parties in the region probably have a pretty good recognition of what intermediate steps could be taken as confidence-building measures."

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Because the Palestinians have shown they are so capable of building a State, haven't they?

645 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:19:34pm

re: #634 LGoPs

Went right in front of my eyes......never seen that happen before.

That was my magic finger on the Report button. Okay, it was really Stinky, but I helped!

646 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:19:48pm

re: #640 calcajun

You wanna really freak them out. Start telling them how the locals pronounce certain street names.

calcajun ... neutral ground ... making groceries ... make do do ... like that cher ... or may I call you dawlin ... while down in the Parish ....

647 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:20:30pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

Thank God the more sensitive information is kept on seperate computers isolated from the net.

648 kansas  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:20:34pm
The good guys are trying to make the distinction between Islam and radical Islam.

And the bad guys could give a shit.

649 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:21:30pm

re: #642 JacksonTn

albusteve ... you lighting up ... or drinking ... just wondering ...

I'm posessed...there is a brighter side to life

650 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:22:07pm

re: #649 albusteve

I'm posessed...there is a brighter side to life

Cool, neat, anyone I know?

651 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:22:15pm

emergency landing caught on tape-Cockpit view with audio.

652 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:22:40pm

My brain hurts. I'm going to go kill a few brain cells watching "American Idol." Good night, friends.

653 Lynn B.  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:23:03pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

I have to wonder though, how much of this is really naivete, and how much of it is ideological agreement. This has gone on for too long for me to really be able to continue justifying pam & bob's behavior as anything other than stemming from ignorance. They know who these people are.

I think it's both. They know exactly who these people are. But they're naive enough to believe that they can control the damage and that their "friends" won't turn on them in a NY minute once their usefulness expires.

Good luck with that.

654 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:23:03pm

re: #646 JacksonTn

I was thinking along these lines:

Chartres --Charters.
Burgundy--bur GUN d
Milan--My-lan
Calliope--Cally-ope
Terpsichore--Terp sick o ree

I could go on.

655 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:23:29pm

re: #648 kansas

And that's the issue that the "Pro-Peace" peeps don't get.
We're ALL Pro-Peace, we just don't want to be enslaved (or interred) in the name of Peace.
Call us crazy..

656 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:23:29pm

re: #620 Idle Drifter

You beat me. It should be mentioned that the F-35s can share information in realtime such as ground targets/threats. What one bird sees the others know and display it on the helmet mounted displays.

It's also a stealth design.

657 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:24:36pm

re: #620 Idle Drifter

You beat me. It should be mentioned that the F-35s can share information in realtime such as ground targets/threats. What one bird sees the others know and display it on the helmet mounted displays.

Idle Drifter -

IF! the Obama Administration were willing to do a "pilotless" equivalent of the F-22 as an alternative, I might accept the decision as an "out of the box" solution. A 23 year old Gamer with Sgt. rank flying such a plane remotely would be fine by me, after all, REAL, flesh and blood, Sergeants flew for Germany and the USSR in WW II. Eliminating the limitations of the Human Body could free airframe design tremendously.
THE REALITY - This Administration would prefer us to be WEAK in order to free a few Billion Dollars for "Social Programs." Minimally, I DISAGREE STRONGLY!

-S-

658 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:25:05pm

re: #651 Killgore Trout

emergency landing caught on tape-Cockpit view with audio.

[Video]

That was nice of him, he parked it off the highway.

659 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:25:05pm

re: #650 Walter L. Newton

Cool, neat, anyone I know?

re: #650 Walter L. Newton

Cool, neat, anyone I know?

look in a mirror and smile at yourself and say "I, Walter rule my own world"...say it

660 Killian Bundy  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:25:46pm

re: #632 buzzdroid

obama has also cancelled the F-22.

But hey, TOTUS signed a law today spending $5.7 billion for x3 more community organizers Bonkey activists.

/that wasted money could have been used to increase our Raptor fleet by more than 15%, not to mention supporting the tens of thousands of high paying manufacturing jobs the F-22 program supports

661 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:25:59pm

re: #640 calcajun

You wanna really freak them out. Start telling them how the locals pronounce certain street names.

And town names.
I went thru a list a day or two ago, in one of the threads.

662 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:26:03pm

re: #651 Killgore Trout

emergency landing caught on tape-Cockpit view with audio.

[Video]

Crazy. That airplane needs a horn.

664 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:26:25pm

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

Pretty impressive, eh?

665 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:26:26pm

re: #614 Idle Drifter

The F-35 is meant to replace the F-18 A,B,C,D but not the F-18E/FSuper Hornet, F-16s, AV-8Bs, and A-10s. It's primary mission is attack however it can be fitted for air to air missions. The F-35 is to the F-22 as the F-16 is to the F-15.

Idle Drifter -

YUP - Like a Squire to a Knight, Like a Hurricane to a Spitfire.

-S-

666 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:26:26pm

re: #651 Killgore Trout

Now, to pull the pieces of the seat from their ass. Talk about a pucker moment.

667 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:26:35pm

re: #413 rightymouse

Paul was a freaking misogynist which was not uncommon at his time even in 'enlightened' societies. Unfortunately, his words and admonishments are far too common today in many Christian circles in order to maintain control over their wives.

My husband knows better than to EVER think of ordering me around, let alone want me to be submissive.

Paul wasn't a misogynist; he was on very good terms with a number of female leaders in the early Church.

A lot of the epistles attributed to Paul are infamous as forgeries, particularly Titus and 1-2 Timothy, and also Ephesians, and most would add Colossians. 1 Cor 14:33b-36 is also thought to be interpolated.

668 guest77  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:27:09pm

"Can't we all just get along."

OK, I plagarized Rodney King, but his words just seemed to fit what's going on in the Right's blogosphere.

669 NastyFreddy  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:27:18pm

Man, this is starting to get really lame.

Remember when Charles used to post stuff about liberals? Man, those sure were the days.

I am still trying to figure out who benefits from half truths/semi-false accusations on both sides of this fight.

Wait, I just figured it out... OBAMA!

670 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:27:43pm

re: #636 rawmuse

Typical NYT reporting, they tell you that a consensus has been reached without actually informing you of what it is.

Sometimes I actually come away from the NYT feeling dumber.

* * * *
Then why read it or give them legitimacy~you deserve honest & better reporting.

671 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:27:53pm

re: #653 Lynn B.

I think it's both. They know exactly who these people are. But they're naive enough to believe that they can control the damage and that their "friends" won't turn on them in a NY minute once their usefulness expires.

Good luck with that.

Back stabbers make the best friends! /////

672 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:27:55pm

re: #651 Killgore Trout

Years ago a plane landed on I-280 in front of me. Pilot got out and kissed the pavement.

673 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:28:41pm

re: #669 NastyFreddy

Man, this is starting to get really lame.

Remember when Charles used to post stuff about liberals? Man, those sure were the days.

I am still trying to figure out who benefits from half truths/semi-false accusations on both sides of this fight.

Wait, I just figured it out... OBAMA!

All six of your comments as lame as this one?

674 kansas  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:28:42pm

re: #660 Killian Bundy

But hey, TOTUS signed a law today spending $5.7 billion for x3 more community organizers Bonkey activists.
Yeah, but he wants cut "wasteful spending" by 100 million. Isn't 100 more than 5.7?/

675 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:28:53pm

re: #670 alegrias

* * * *
Then why read it or give them legitimacy~you deserve honest & better reporting.

Someone posted it here. I figured it merited a look see.

676 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #672 rawmuse

Rawmuse -

In WHAT TOWN?

-S-

677 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:29:42pm

re: #676 Dr. Shalit

Around Los Altos, CA. about 1997 IIRC.

678 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:29:51pm

re: #662 Gus 802

Crazy. That airplane needs a horn.

You don't like the way he flies?
Get off the road!

LOL!

Nice bit of flying.

679 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:29:57pm

re: #670 alegrias

* * * *
Then why read it or give them legitimacy~you deserve honest & better reporting.

It has to be read in the same way that MEMRI reads the Arab press.

680 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:30:01pm

Wow. Two in a row. What are the odds?

681 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:30:07pm

re: #669 NastyFreddy

Man, this is starting to get really lame.

Remember when Charles used to post stuff about liberals? Man, those sure were the days.

I am still trying to figure out who benefits from half truths/semi-false accusations on both sides of this fight.

Wait, I just figured it out... OBAMA!

Do want to expand on the half truth/semi-false meme here?

682 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:30:39pm

albusteve ...

683 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:31:28pm

re: #667 Zimriel

Paul wasn't a misogynist; he was on very good terms with a number of female leaders in the early Church.

A lot of the epistles attributed to Paul are infamous as forgeries, particularly Titus and 1-2 Timothy, and also Ephesians, and most would add Colossians. 1 Cor 14:33b-36 is also thought to be interpolated.

With out going through a long back and forth about textual criticism (who wrote what), the point of the matter is the material has been canonized and official.

And many christian sects follow these scriptural dictates.

End of story.

684 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:31:40pm

re: #677 rawmuse

Around Los Altos, CA. about 1997 IIRC.

Rawmuse -

We have an I-280 on the East Coast as well. Newark, NJ into Morris County. Thought it might be there - somewhere.

-S-

685 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:31:44pm

re: #678 jcm

You don't like the way he flies?
Get off the road!

LOL!

Nice bit of flying.

Coming in for an emergency landing! Beep beep! Get out of the way! //

Was pretty nice. Odd the way the engine kept kicking "on" and "off."

686 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:31:55pm

re: #675 rawmuse

Someone posted it here. I figured it merited a look see.

* * * *
Oh. Similarly, I only read re-re-recycled WashPosts someone else has thrown away.

687 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:32:31pm

re: #682 JacksonTn

albusteve ...


[Video]

yes...thanks for that...I'll pay attention

688 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:33:01pm

re: #685 Gus 802

Coming in for an emergency landing! Beep beep! Get out of the way! //

Was pretty nice. Odd the way the engine kept kicking "on" and "off."

Weak batteries.

689 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:33:31pm

Thanos posted a link to Medaura's blog in the spinoffs. "pgmrmatt" down dinged it.

pgmrmatt

Karma: 0
Registered since: Nov 25, 2007 at 11:12 am
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 10
No. of links posted: 158

Then NastyFreddy comes alog (above):

NastyFreddy

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Nov 25, 2007 at 6:50 pm
No. of comments posted: 6

Registered same day. What are the odds of that?

690 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:34:10pm

LGF has the best music of any blog anywhere...we should be proud of that little sideline

691 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:34:17pm

re: #686 alegrias

* * * *
Oh. Similarly, I only read re-re-recycled WashPosts someone else has thrown away.

alegrias -

By Spring 1980, my Wa-Po's were recycled by Parakeets. I lived in the DC area at the time.

-S-

692 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:34:29pm

It's like sympathy for the devil

693 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #680 Charles

Wow. Two in a row. What are the odds?

Heh. Kamikaze lizards.

694 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #686 alegrias

* * * *
Oh. Similarly, I only read re-re-recycled WashPosts someone else has thrown away.

Yes, but the difference is that WaPo is the home of someone like Krauthammer.

The NYT is home to Roger Cohen.

Editorially, the WaPo sometimes gets it right.

695 Semi Cartman  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:35:57pm

re: #597 Bloodnok
I upding your upding. But now it's 100 posts later. Oh well

696 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:36:11pm

re: #679 MJ

It has to be read in the same way that MEMRI reads the Arab press.

* * * * *
MEMRI is doing the Lord's work, reporting on the Arab press' outrageous stereotyping and BS conspiracies and stereotypes about Jewish people and "infidels"--how else would we know what a billion or two billion Arabs are thinking!

697 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:36:29pm

All hail our new bionic flying Germanic penguin overlords....
Bionic penguins take to the water – and the skies
(with video coolness)

The graceful robotic penguins in the video above were unveiled by German engineering firm Festo this week.

Using their flippers, the mechanical penguins can paddle through water just like real ones, while larger helium-filled designs can "swim" through the air. The penguins are on show at the Hannover Messe Trade Exhibition in Germany.

Each penguin carries 3D sonar developed by EvoLogics in Berlin, Germany, which is used to monitor its surroundings and avoid collisions with walls or other penguins.

698 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:36:44pm

re: #692 Sharmuta

It's like sympathy for the devil


[Video]

DUH!....DUH! (me too chica)

699 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:37:14pm

Rock n Roll Doctor ...

700 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:37:48pm

re: #696 alegrias

* * * * *
MEMRI is doing the Lord's work, reporting on the Arab press' outrageous stereotyping and BS conspiracies and stereotypes about Jewish people and "infidels"--how else would we know what a billion or two billion Arabs are thinking!

But this describes the NYT as well
"...outrageous stereotyping and BS conspiracies and stereotypes about Jewish people and "infidels"'.

701 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:38:25pm

re: #688 Walter L. Newton

Weak batteries.

Most planes ignitions are magnetos, water in the fuel, carb icing, could be a number of things.

702 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #698 albusteve

DUH!....DUH! (me too chica)

Seeing any sympathy for nazis is reprehensible.

703 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #693 LGoPs

Heh. Kamikaze lizards.

Wonder if they drink a toast of sake before their final flight.......?
/

704 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:38:53pm

A couple of years ago, I joined this site and it seemed most people believed, as I still believe, that there is an alarmingly larger percentage of Muslims willing to resort to violence than there are Christians. I don't believe it is a majority of Muslims or even a large percentage, but I do believe it is a significant percentage. This belief seem to have been abandoned. Am I wrong in thinking that?

What happened to stories about Mickey Mouse TV shows in Muslim countries on Al Jazeera saying it is OK to kill non-believers? What happened to stories about the commune in NY that had Muslims training to be paramilitary and where are the updates? Are they still there? What happened to the stories about how Madrassas train children to hate at in early age? Have I been missing these stories?

A large part of the front page is devoted to stories of other topics. I salute Charles' dedication to outing neo-nazi groups, but I know there have to be stories like the ones I mentioned.

So, anyway, I know I'll be down dinged for writing this. So, go ahead. I'd like an answer, though. Yes, I see the Imadinnerjacket story and the story about Obama inviting Mubarak, and Abbas, and the other guy, but is there someone out there who can respectfully address this and not immediately assume I'm a troublemaker? MandyManners, I have posted back and forth with you a couple of times, so I'm counting on you.

705 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:39:14pm

re: #699 JacksonTn

Rock n Roll Doctor ...


[Video]

seen em like close to 100 times....bigtime Feat junkie

706 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:39:46pm

re: #564 wrenchwench

It could make a difference. I think Spencer's bigotry could have been spotted earlier. I would not have known what I was looking at, but some of the stuff Medaura brought out about him could have clued somebody in earlier.

It did clue some of us in...

But Medaura got drawn into flamewars by Spencer's apologists, and that turned off a lot of people. People like to be thought of as moderates and so when someone aggressively attacks an evil person who pretends to be "defending himself", too many people will instinctively side with the evil guy. Also, back then LGF didn't have the level of commenter quality control we've had more recently, so there were more sympathisers with what Spencer (and Trifkovic) were writing - and I saw much bigotry against people of Balkan Muslim descent. People would sneer at those flamewars as "the Medaura thread" - it sounds crazy now, but I swear it's true.

So LGF did end up agreeing with Lady M late in the game, but thankfully not too late.

707 JacksonTn  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:39:54pm

re: #705 albusteve

seen em like close to 100 times....bigtime Feat junkie

albusteve ... yeah ... I've seen you on a LF blog ...

708 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:39:58pm

re: #701 jcm

Most planes ignitions are magnetos, water in the fuel, carb icing, could be a number of things.

It was a joke.

709 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:39:59pm

re: #701 jcm

Most planes ignitions are magnetos, water in the fuel, carb icing, could be a number of things.

Gremlins!

710 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:40:12pm

re: #701 jcm

Most planes ignitions are magnetos, water in the fuel, carb icing, could be a number of things.

Snakes?

711 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:40:17pm

re: #697 Killgore Trout

This is just too cool.....
Festo AirPenguin

712 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:40:42pm

re: #633 Gus 802

I notice that he didn't identify this "Dutch speaker" who could very well be anyone. The correct presentation would have been to present his defense of the neofascist book fair by using an identifiable and neutral individual. That he did not do this should raise another red flag.

Here's the vid,

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

One of the books he leafs through is by Alain de Benoist, the Gramscian reflection of Filip DeWinter from France.

713 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:41:18pm

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

Snakes?

Florida? Could be!

;P

714 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:41:22pm

re: #692 Sharmuta

It's like sympathy for the devil


#692 - Sharmuta -

I Love this TOO. To me the BEST rendition was on HBO in January, 2003 - just before the Iraq War. I have it on VHS Stereo - DVD Recording at the time being "exotic." Should you want a copy, please provide a "where to send it too" and I shall reveal my "Audacity."

-S-

715 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:41:37pm

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

It was a joke.

opps.....

716 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #702 Sharmuta

Seeing any sympathy for nazis is reprehensible.

I'm wondering if us posters can do more for that situation....I really admire you guys foe exposing that stuff...I personally feel helpless...Charles has hitched it up and takes no shit and that's good...what a stud eh?...and you too...it is out of my hands

717 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:43:05pm

re: #711 Killgore Trout

Bummer no embedding allowed....
Festo AirPenguin

Festo AquaPenguin

718 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:43:23pm

re: #706 Zimriel

It did clue some of us in...

But Medaura got drawn into flamewars by Spencer's apologists, and that turned off a lot of people. People like to be thought of as moderates and so when someone aggressively attacks an evil person who pretends to be "defending himself", too many people will instinctively side with the evil guy. Also, back then LGF didn't have the level of commenter quality control we've had more recently, so there were more sympathisers with what Spencer (and Trifkovic) were writing - and I saw much bigotry against people of Balkan Muslim descent. People would sneer at those flamewars as "the Medaura thread" - it sounds crazy now, but I swear it's true.

So LGF did end up agreeing with Lady M late in the game, but thankfully not too late.

I went head to head a few rounds defending Spencer and ended up apologizing after doing some more digging.

719 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:44:07pm

re: #707 JacksonTn

albusteve ... yeah ... I've seen you on a LF blog ...

they don't like me over there anymore....long story...bunch of droolers

720 MJ  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:44:25pm

Maybe he should visit the jail his son will hopefully occupy instead:

Jesse Jackson offers to go to Iran to help free journalist

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Poor Jesse. Must be a lack of ambulances to chase recently.
The forgotten hustler.

721 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:44:53pm

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

With out going through a long back and forth about textual criticism (who wrote what), the point of the matter is the material has been canonized and official.

And many christian sects follow these scriptural dictates.

End of story.

Who are you to tell me where the "story" ends. I don't answer to you.

An accusation was leveled at a major saint in my Church that he was a misogynist. I defended him from that slander. Whatever forgeries those Christian sects bring up - Ephesians, 3 Corinthians, Laodiceans, the coptic Prayer of Paul - all that is unimportant to me. I'm interested in what Paul most likely said and what he most likely said has no taint of misogyny in it.

722 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:45:01pm

re: #716 albusteve

Well- and I'm under the weather and in need of a nap. Maybe Killgore will keep a look out.

723 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:45:16pm

Adam is going to win American Idol...You heard it here..
He is the 2009 version of Freddy Mercury..There is no one that can challenge his range..And yes the earth stopped in rotation..The Hoopster turned from the Cav's game to catch a glimpse of Idol..
Forgive me father for I have sinned...
/

724 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:45:33pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

Bummer no embedding allowed....
Festo AirPenguin

Festo AquaPenguin

Laser, they need frikkin' lasers! Then they'd be REALLY COOL!

725 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:45:48pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Well- and I'm under the weather and in need of a nap. Maybe Killgore will keep a look out.

get well soon....

726 alegrias  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:45:56pm

re: #700 MJ

But this describes the NYT as well
"...outrageous stereotyping and BS conspiracies and stereotypes about Jewish people and "infidels"'.

* * *
Which is why I don't read it nor get why others do! Just say adieu~

727 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:46:08pm

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, Walter. I was biding my time--but you said it very well.

728 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:46:15pm

re: #720 MJ

Maybe he should visit the jail his son will hopefully occupy instead:

Jesse Jackson offers to go to Iran to help free journalist

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Poor Jesse. Must be a lack of ambulances to chase recently.
The forgotten hustler.

Armajackoffhard is going to use that "reporter" as a tool. Let her go, look good, Obama will praise, you know the drill.

729 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:46:15pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Look out for what? I'm pretty freaked about the flying robot penguins.

730 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:46:21pm

re: #704 cpuller


Maybe you could find what you want at stormfront, or "Atlas Shrugs". Or just type your fave racial epithet, and the word "blog".
I'm sure you will be welcome there.

731 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:46:52pm

re: #712 Thanos

Here's the vid,

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...] rpost-and-vlaams-belang/

One of the books he leafs through is by Alain de Benoist, the Gramscian reflection of Filip DeWinter from France.

Video link doesn't work. The Wiki reference says enough however. Would I be correct in saying it's "fascism for artists?"

732 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:46:56pm

re: #706 Zimriel

Actually, what I meant is that the info Medaura publicized was out there, before she posted it. It goes to the question of "When did Spencer go off the rails?" He was not on the rails when many of us thought he was. And yes, Medaura took a lot of heat, for the reason you describe. She was also rather abrasive herself, but at LGF, substance always wins over style. Fortunately she has thick skin, which is a good combo with abrasives.

733 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:47:14pm

re: #724 jcm

Skynet will speak German....
Von der Natur inspiriert WZ

734 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:47:36pm

re: #727 calcajun

or not with #721.

Text without context is pretext.

735 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:47:54pm

re: #729 Killgore Trout

Look out for what? I'm pretty freaked about the flying robot penguins.

LOL!

Keep an eye on the nazis, Hon.

736 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:48:29pm

re: #724 jcm

Laser, they need frikkin' lasers! Then they'd be REALLY COOL!

But are they ill-tempered?

737 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:48:37pm

re: #735 Sharmuta

Ok, no problem.

738 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:48:39pm

re: #730 swamprat

Maybe you could find what you want at stormfront, or "Atlas Shrugs". Or just type your fave racial epithet, and the word "blog".
I'm sure you will be welcome there.

And the insults start. Where was I being disrespectful? What did I say to deserve an attack?

739 HelloDare  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:48:45pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

Bummer no embedding allowed....
Festo AirPenguin

Festo AquaPenguin

How long before the FestoKillerWhale?

740 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:48:58pm

re: #721 Zimriel

Who are you to tell me where the "story" ends. I don't answer to you.

An accusation was leveled at a major saint in my Church that he was a misogynist. I defended him from that slander. Whatever forgeries those Christian sects bring up - Ephesians, 3 Corinthians, Laodiceans, the coptic Prayer of Paul - all that is unimportant to me. I'm interested in what Paul most likely said and what he most likely said has no taint of misogyny in it.

Look, first of all I'm talking about canon, not gnostic works, I'm talking about what's in the greek scriptures. Period.

The greek scriptures are canon. Paul has evident misogynist comment in works ascribed to him, in the greek scriptures.

And those comment have been used to put woman in their place with in the christian community.

I'm talking about facts, not saints.

741 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:49:04pm

re: #729 Killgore Trout

She probably meant to look out for those "Tea Parties".
Psssttt...word on the street is that our local ladies' tennis club is having one at 11 AM on Saturday. God save us from these Nazis!

742 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:49:18pm

re: #729 Killgore Trout

Look out for what? I'm pretty freaked about the flying robot penguins.

heh...I don't it for a second

743 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:49:33pm

re: #739 HelloDare

Smother it in basil and olive oil--Pesto Penguin.

744 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:50:09pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

Skynet will speak German....
Von der Natur inspiriert WZ

Cool stuff!

745 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:50:15pm

well maybe a minute or two

746 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:50:33pm

re: #736 calcajun

But are they ill-tempered?

Let me write the code!

BWAHAHAHAH!

747 albusteve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:50:50pm

re: #743 calcajun

Smother it in basil and olive oil--Pesto Penguin.

Shackleton sez....

748 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:51:27pm

re: #740 Walter L. Newton

Look, first of all I'm talking about canon, not gnostic works, I'm talking about what's in the greek scriptures. Period.

The greek scriptures are canon. Paul has evident misogynist comment in works ascribed to him, in the greek scriptures.

And those comment have been used to put woman in their place with in the christian community.

I'm talking about facts, not saints.

And those comment[s] have been used abused and misinterpreted to put woman in their place with in the christian community.

Fixed.

749 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:51:33pm

re: #721 Zimriel

Zimriel -

Let Us go back to the Post WW II Position of the "Four Chaplains." It worked well. As for the exact theological differences between the Priest, the Rabbi, and the Two Ministers - Leave it at - SAME UNION, DIFFERENT LOCAL. That is how SMALL our differences are in the real world.

-S-

750 jaunte  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:52:09pm

re: #737 Killgore Trout

Have you seen the Festo jellyfish?

751 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #744 jcm

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be smart. I'd like to invent something as cool as a robot stingray.

752 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:52:38pm
753 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:53:08pm

re: #750 jaunte

Yeah, the air jelly's is a favorite of mine. They've added a whole bunch of cool stuff since I last checked their youtube page.

754 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:54:01pm

re: #751 Killgore Trout

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be smart. I'd like to invent something as cool as a robot stingray.

Kilgore Trout -

Smart is Smart - Technologically Savvy is NOT necessarily the same thing.

-S-

755 jaunte  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:54:04pm

re: #753 Killgore Trout

Cool. I'm going to go explore. Thanks for the tip.

756 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:54:34pm

re: #749 Dr. Shalit

Zimriel -

Let Us go back to the Post WW II Position of the "Four Chaplains." It worked well. As for the exact theological differences between the Priest, the Rabbi, and the Two Ministers - Leave it at - SAME UNION, DIFFERENT LOCAL. That is how SMALL our differences are in the real world.

-S-

Yes, typical, play to the audience, consistency be damned.

757 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:55:06pm

re: #704 cpuller

A couple of years ago, I joined this site and it seemed most people believed, as I still believe, that there is an alarmingly larger percentage of Muslims willing to resort to violence than there are Christians. I don't believe it is a majority of Muslims or even a large percentage, but I do believe it is a significant percentage. This belief seem to have been abandoned. Am I wrong in thinking that?

Yes. The problem is that some of the people in the now besmirched anti-jihad movement are more interested in the political future of populist pols in Europe than fighting the real war. If you go back and look at the records of posts, you aren't going to find much on Jihad Watch that's highly supportive of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, what little you do find will be more than ten times outweighed by wailing over the Islamification of Europe.

After a while the hysteria becomes misdirection and ineffective. The associations and support for the Nazi clowns in Europe just breaks the deal entire. It's the perfect time to hash all of this out as we are in a non election year, and the real leaders in the Republican party are laying low while things sort themselves out.

Also, if you haven't noticed Terrorism outside the wilderness areas of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Somalia has steeply declined from the Sunni side of the terror coin, and the Shia side's now just attacking from Gaza. Everyone says Israel lost the 2006 war with Hezbollah, but they've been pretty quiet on the terror front since.

758 TedStriker  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:55:39pm

re: #669 NastyFreddy

Bye now!

759 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:56:42pm

re: #731 Gus 802

Video link doesn't work. The Wiki reference says enough however. Would I be correct in saying it's "fascism for artists?"

it works for me?

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

760 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:56:42pm

re: #704 cpuller

Many muslims are the islamic equivilent of the "sunday school and church",type Christians. Everybody knows that some muslims, methodists, mormons, madmen, musicians, and men named michael........are assholes.

Sorry that we don't pick on the ones you want.

761 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:57:59pm

re: #740 Walter L. Newton

I'm talking about facts, not saints.

What a coincidence! I am also talking about facts. I provided at least one link on the topic of Pauline pseudepigraphy, along with several examples in the canon and out of it, and I could find you very many more.

I defended Saint Paul and you decided to use that as a point to tee off on Christianity. I am trying to get it through your head that Christianity is not a post-Ash'ari Islam with a preexistent body of scripture written before the world was made, delivered to some guy in a desert by the Archangel Gabriel's Scripture-n-Pizza service. Christianity (and, I'm beginning to suspect, Islam prior to caliph 'Umar) allows for numerous schools of thought, including some which venerate yes, saints over suspect bodies of literature.

762 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:58:38pm

re: #756 Walter L. Newton

No--more like pouring some oil on troubled waters. That's all.

763 jaunte  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:59:25pm

re: #760 swamprat

Sorry that we don't pick on the ones you want.


It's as if there's some kind of conspiracy to encourage people to be reasonable.
Keep an eye peeled.

764 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:59:48pm

re: #743 calcajun

Smother it in basil and olive oil--Pesto Penguin.

Just never mix pesto with anti-pesto. Total annhilation if you do......
/

765 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:00:15pm

re: #759 Thanos

it works for me?

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

That worked. Saw this before. Sure looks like a gathering of a secret society to me. The guys on there with those hats look like Nazis to me. Meaning that if you someone like that in "a club" you'd think: skinhead.

If it walks like a duck...

766 SalsaNChips  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:00:21pm

re: #562 rawmuse
Yes, it's still valid and essentially states: "powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people."

I don't see anything guaranteeing a right to secession in a reading of the 10th. Besides, Texas gave up any rights in that regard when rejoining the Union after the CW.

This whole Texas secessionist movement that started with Perry and now is being picked up by various "conservative" tea party speakers is just crazy.

Living in Texas 26 out of my 49 years, loving it. But an AMERICAN first.

767 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:00:24pm

re: #760 swamprat

Many muslims are the islamic equivilent of the "sunday school and church",type Christians. Everybody knows that some muslims, methodists, mormons, madmen, musicians, and men named michael........are assholes.

Sorry that we don't pick on the ones you want.

You keep insulting me and you previously implied I was a racist. If that were true then everyone on this site at the time I joined would be racist, too. I'm not asking you to "pick on the bones I want". I have a legitimate question on whether this stuff has disappeared. Is the commune in NY that was teaching paramilitary techniques just disbanded?

I'm in amazement that what I posted has brought insults from you.

768 jcm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:00:34pm

re: #751 Killgore Trout

I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be smart. I'd like to invent something as cool as a robot stingray.

Don't belittle yourself, those guys would look at a violin that need repair and be lost. The might technically be able to study the instrument.

Different mind sets. It looks like a team effort, mechanical engineer, electrical engineers, software engineers.

The team I work with, we've taken the equivalent of an entire Vic20 computer and put it all on one small computer chip.

769 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:00:51pm

re: #756 Walter L. Newton

Walter P. Newton -

Respectful Disagreement here. All Four went down to "save the crew" - much as the Maersk Alabama Captain was willing to sacrifice himself for HIS crew. Consider it, if you will, as an example of "American Exceptionalism."

-S-

770 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:02:10pm

re: #767 cpuller

Is the commune in NY that was teaching paramilitary techniques just disbanded?

That story is completely false, and it's being promoted by bad people. Educate yourself.

771 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:02:38pm

re: #738 cpuller

1. You implied we were bigots before.
2. You said (or implied) that you liked that form of bigotry.
3. You said or implied that you would like to see more anti- muslim stories TO SUPPLANT THE ANTI NAZI stories you see here now.
4. You seem be be either a moby/troll, a bigot, or both.

5. We don' need yoh' kind around heah.

772 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:02:45pm

re: #761 Zimriel

What a coincidence! I am also talking about facts. I provided at least one link on the topic of Pauline pseudepigraphy, along with several examples in the canon and out of it, and I could find you very many more.

I defended Saint Paul and you decided to use that as a point to tee off on Christianity. I am trying to get it through your head that Christianity is not a post-Ash'ari Islam with a preexistent body of scripture written before the world was made, delivered to some guy in a desert by the Archangel Gabriel's Scripture-n-Pizza service. Christianity (and, I'm beginning to suspect, Islam prior to caliph 'Umar) allows for numerous schools of thought, including some which venerate yes, saints over suspect bodies of literature.

I don't even have the time or space to go over what I know about Paul. He changed the whole foundation of what became the Christian church, and yes, I'm talking about the his plutonic influences. And I'm not "teeing off" on Christianity any more or less than I would take a critical look at any text, any theology, and philosophy.

Just because we are talking about Paul of scripture, doesn't mean I am suppose to "treat" him in some special way.

773 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:03:18pm

re: #766 SalsaNChips

Yes, it's still valid and essentially states: "powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people."

I don't see anything guaranteeing a right to secession in a reading of the 10th. Besides, Texas gave up any rights in that regard when rejoining the Union after the CW.

This whole Texas secessionist movement that started with Perry and now is being picked up by various "conservative" tea party speakers is just crazy.

Living in Texas 26 out of my 49 years, loving it. But an AMERICAN first.

When I first posted about Perry's statement, several people showed up to deny that he had even hinted at secession.

They seem to have fallen silent now.

774 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:03:31pm

re: #763 jaunte

It's as if there's some kind of conspiracy to encourage people to be reasonable.
Keep an eye peeled.

"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."

I was being reasonable. I asked a legitimate question.

775 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:03:57pm

re: #759 Thanos

it works for me?

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

Thought I would post this for the lazy lurkers that want to defend these people. That was a Voorpost book installation:

Voorpost
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Voorpost ("Outpost" in English) is a volksnationalist ("Volknationalist") group founded in Belgium. Voorpost has the vision of Dietsland, a political entity that will unite all Dutch-speaking territories in Europe. Voorpost functions in South Africa among the Afrikaner population through Die Dietse Federatie, which is linked to the Netherlands branch of Voorpost. Voorpost also claims to have a following in French Flanders.

Another key element in Voorpost's political stance is its strong links with prominent Holocaust deniers like Siegfried Verbeke. Vlaams Blok ideologist Roeland Raes and Vlaams Belang politicians like Luc Vermeulen are members of Voorpost. The group sees the present Belgian monarchy as a puppet of France and assumes that the House of Orange-Nassau is the legitimate dynasty to rule over the realm of "Dietsland". In this sense, Voorpost is an Orangist organisation. The organisation is seen by some as a continuation of the Vlaamse Militanten Orde, which was outlawed in 1983 for being a private militia.[1]

776 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:04:34pm

re: #770 Charles

That story is completely false, and it's being promoted by bad people. Educate yourself.

I thought that was what I was trying to do, but I am just getting insulted.

777 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #761 Zimriel

I know I am going to regret getting pulled into this, but--and I am putting this as tactfully as possible-- you really did not defend Paul. You did so at the expense of disputing the validity of some of the Pauline Epistles--which is not really a defense. i.e.; Paul is not a misogynist--those writings--hailed as divinely inspired but which in some eyes condone misogyny --aren't his. Falling back onto the apocryphal writings does not help either. It's like citing out-of-state legal authorities when your own state has already has decided the issue; it's possibly helpful, but not persuasive authority.

OK--I'll go back to my room now.

778 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:07:04pm

re: #776 cpuller

I thought that was what I was trying to do, but I am just getting insulted.

Assuming you really do want to learn the truth about that bogus story:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

779 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:07:12pm

re: #763 jaunte

We have had people who wanted us to be reasonable about nazi-ry. Especially if we tie it to anti-muslim sentiment.
Not me.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's just tingling.

780 jaunte  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:08:05pm

re: #774 cpuller

"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."

I was being reasonable. I asked a legitimate question.

Your question was about Charles' choice of topics, which is his business.
If you have a topic you prefer to write about, go ahead, or post a link.
One thing no one is effective with is giving our host direction.

781 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:08:57pm

re: #778 Charles

Assuming you really do want to learn the truth about that bogus story:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I do and am going to read that right now. I resad a little but that doesn't seem to be wthe story I was thinking of, but I'll read that, too. Thanks.

782 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:08:57pm

re: #767 cpuller

It is still there-and from what I heard, it was cleared by DHS. The allegations were false.

783 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:09:38pm

re: #765 Gus 802

That worked. Saw this before. Sure looks like a gathering of a secret society to me. The guys on there with those hats look like Nazis to me. Meaning that if you someone like that in "a club" you'd think: skinhead.

If it walks like a duck...

The hats are NJSV, they have Nazi colors in the hatband part (red, black, white) and the backdrop of the NJSV website used to be the Odin sign with the words "another youth, another ideal" in the place where Stormfront usually has "white pride world wide". They are the same ones pictured in another article singing from Nazi liederbooks with Odin's crosses on them at their gatherings.

784 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:10:25pm

re: #779 swamprat

We have had people who wanted us to be reasonable about nazi-ry. Especially if we tie it to anti-muslim sentiment.
Not me.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's just tingling.

Not directed at you, jaunte.
:^)

785 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:11:05pm

re: #777 calcajun

I know I am going to regret getting pulled into this, but--and I am putting this as tactfully as possible-- you really did not defend Paul. You did so at the expense of disputing the validity of some of the Pauline Epistles--which is not really a defense. i.e.; Paul is not a misogynist--those writings--hailed as divinely inspired but which in some eyes condone misogyny --aren't his. Falling back onto the apocryphal writings does not help either. It's like citing out-of-state legal authorities when your own state has already has decided the issue; it's possibly helpful, but not persuasive authority.

OK--I'll go back to my room now.

That's all I was basing my comment on, the stated Pauline Epistles, and the widely accepted criticism of those books.

His being a "saint" has no bearing on the discussion.

786 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:12:00pm

re: #783 Thanos

The hats are NJSV, they have Nazi colors in the hatband part (red, black, white) and the backdrop of the NJSV website used to be the Odin sign with the words "another youth, another ideal" in the place where Stormfront usually has "white pride world wide". They are the same ones pictured in another article singing from Nazi liederbooks with Odin's crosses on them at their gatherings.

Odin cross is also used by the KKK?

787 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:16:42pm

re: #704 cpuller

A couple of years ago, I joined this site and it seemed most people believed, as I still believethat there is an alarmingly larger percentage of Muslims willing to resort to violence than there are Christians., I don't believe it is a majority of Muslims or even a large percentage, but I do believe it is a significant percentage. This belief seem to have been abandoned. Am I wrong in thinking that?
What happened to stories about Mickey Mouse TV shows in Muslim countries on Al Jazeera saying it is OK to kill non-believers? What happened to stories about the commune in NY that had Muslims training to be paramilitary and where are the updates? Are they still there? What happened to the stories about how Madrassas train children to hate at in early age? Have I been missing these stories?

A large part of the front page is devoted to stories of other topics. I salute Charles' dedication to outing neo-nazi groups, BUT I know there have to be stories like the ones I mentioned.

.


text bolded without comment

788 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:18:16pm

re: #777 calcajun

I know I am going to regret getting pulled into this, but--and I am putting this as tactfully as possible-- you really did not defend Paul. You did so at the expense of disputing the validity of some of the Pauline Epistles--which is not really a defense. i.e.; Paul is not a misogynist--those writings--hailed as divinely inspired but which in some eyes condone misogyny --aren't his.


I think that if someone is in court on a charge of using pamphlets to incite harassment of women, and then the pamphleteer's lawyer brings up a defence that the pamphets weren't his, that's a pretty defensible defence.

Falling back onto the apocryphal writings does not help either. It's like citing out-of-state legal authorities when your own state has already has decided the issue; it's possibly helpful, but not persuasive authority.


My point at bringing in apocryphal writings - some from the proto-orthodox school (Laodiceans), some from the gnostics (Prayer of Paul) - was to assign the Pastorals and Ephesians into their historical context. There was a LOT of "Paul" being passed around in those days. Some of it made it in. Some didn't.

OK--I'll go back to my room now.


I suppose I was a bit aggressive as to how I responded; but first from one side I heard namecalling ("misogynist!") and then from the other side I heard high-handedness ("end of story").

There is a way out of this impasse. It's textual criticism; the same technique that gets us modern editions of Thucydides and Aristotle.

789 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:18:34pm

re: #786 Gus 802

Odin cross is also used by the KKK?

I thought they were more confederate flags and burning crosses, but I could be wrong. There are very firm links now between VDARE, Stormfront, CoCC, and the Neo Confederates.

The thing that sets off the alarms with all of these groups is the white supremacism, but another warning sign is their amoeba like ability to morph into the loudest supporters of whatever happens to be the biggest populist issue of the day, and they don't care left from right.

790 Gus  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:25:22pm

re: #789 Thanos

I thought they were more confederate flags and burning crosses, but I could be wrong. There are very firm links now between VDARE, Stormfront, CoCC, and the Neo Confederates.

The thing that sets off the alarms with all of these groups is the white supremacism, but another warning sign is their amoeba like ability to morph into the loudest supporters of whatever happens to be the biggest populist issue of the day, and they don't care left from right.

Right. The Odin cross is a lot like the Celtic cross. That is a symbol that the KKK uses or "used" when they had more "power" in the USA.

Neo-nazi do attempt to take advantage of populism in particular during times of social strife. In economic downturns they increase their ranks from the traditionally disgruntled who are quick to scapegoat their traditional groups such as Jews, immigrants, gypsies, or any other non-white groups.

Like you said they do cross political sides since they feed on fear, racism, religions, etc. which tends to be more about a psychological or sociological response.

791 cpuller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:27:52pm

re: #787 swamprat

You'd better not go back and read through the archives, then, because you'd have to be bolding a lot of text without comment from a slew of posters.

792 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:31:38pm

re: #791 cpuller

You'd better not go back and read through the archives, then, because you'd have to be bolding a lot of text without comment from a slew of posters.

I think you'll be happier at some other website, so I'm going to do you a favor and block your account before you melt down and embarrass yourself.

793 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:33:58pm

re: #785 Walter L. Newton

I was throwing out for Zim more than you as you and I are more in agreement on this. Thanks, thou.

794 swamprat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:36:18pm

re: #792 Charles

Hey. was that guy, minigun?

/ducks and runs far!

795 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:38:58pm

re: #788 Zimriel

I suppose I was a bit aggressive as to how I responded; but first from one side I heard namecalling ("misogynist!") and then from the other side I heard high-handedness ("end of story").

There is a way out of this impasse. It's textual criticism; the same technique that gets us modern editions of Thucydides and Aristotle.

Yes--but who among us is knows, let alone has a degree in Ancient Greek. I don't--so I rely on the credentials of those modern translators of the Bible coupled with the folks that ran it through the divinely-inspired criteria and weeded out the apocryphal materials.

Oh, don't talk to me about Thucydides--lazy bastard couldn't finish his history of the Peloponnesian War. Don't care if it was 30 years long--you don't end in mid sentence. And no--he was not dictating it.

796 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:47:43pm

re: #794 swamprat

Hey. was that guy, minigun?

/ducks and runs far!

Why you! I oughtta!

797 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:02:48pm

All this reminds me to ask: Charles, where's the tip jar?

798 jaunte  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:08:42pm

re: #797 The Sanity Inspector

Look under Tools/Info, top left.

799 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 7:11:07pm

re: #798 jaunte

Look under Tools/Info, top left.

Thanks. Tucked way up in there, is it? You'll never get rich that way, Charles! ;)

800 Pupdawg  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:17:33pm

Speaking in general of war:

War, while not an exclusive invention of the human race, remains the only scourge on humanity whereby a winner hobbles home feeling like a loser, if not initially surely inevitably. There are only losers in war some in blue some in gray but mostly in red. We celebrate our victories all the while mourning the dead and those who fought question their survival heavy-hearted with guilt whether deserved or not. It is a sad, hollow celebration.

We should rise above the fray that is being morphed into open warfare on ourselves. Win is loss and loss is loss. Where's the upside?

801 Mich-again  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:57:52pm

The 10th Amendment as the basis for allowing Secession?

You have to be kidding.

802 Mich-again  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 8:59:14pm

re: #800 Pupdawg

War, while not an exclusive invention of the human race, remains the only scourge on humanity whereby a winner hobbles home feeling like a loser, if not initially surely inevitably.

WTF are you talking about? I hope you aren't driving.

803 chuck  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:11:29am

I've never thought of Pat Buchanan as "right wing"; he doesn't have a capitalist bone in his body.

804 Pupdawg  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:01:58am

re: #802 Mich-again

WTF are you talking about? I hope you aren't driving.

Your concern is appreciated...not driving...late night post after the Advil had kicked in.
All the war chatter brings out the true dinky dhow in me at a time when my index fingers really need to shut up.

805 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:17:07am

I'm still amused by the weird, Parallel-Universe Maoism that seems to have overtaken the Right. Either you drink every last drop of their Stupid Flavored Kool Aide, or you're a communist gay-married RINO abortion-eating child molesting traitorous Enemy of The People.

Actively alienating people who would otherwise side with you (even if it's only because the alternative is worse) doesn't seem like a strategy for success.

806 Ateam  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:24:49pm

re: #800 Pupdawg

Speaking in general of war:

War, while not an exclusive invention of the human race, remains the only scourge on humanity whereby a winner hobbles home feeling like a loser, if not initially surely inevitably. There are only losers in war some in blue some in gray but mostly in red. We celebrate our victories all the while mourning the dead and those who fought question their survival heavy-hearted with guilt whether deserved or not. It is a sad, hollow celebration.

We should rise above the fray that is being morphed into open warfare on ourselves. Win is loss and loss is loss. Where's the upside?

Not exactly. I was fighting in 3 wars, plus endless missions between wars. The only criteria were always:
1) did we prevail tasks ?
2) how many casualties it's going to cost us?
3) what damage we harm the other side. how that will affect the next round?


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