Parody of themselves.

Why does this happen? Fox News needs to be trusted.

What kind of judge is "Judge” Andrew Napolitano?

The Three Stooges.

Steve Anderson got tuned up pretty go last week by border control agents. I posted some video of him proving them.

re: #3 MJ

What kind of judge is "Judge” Andrew Napolitano?

A poor one of character.

Flash: Napolitano to star in 2009 version of `The Mack`

What were crazies doing in the woodwork in the first place? .. Bad wood?

re: #2 NelsFree

Why does this happen? Fox News needs to be trusted.

No- they don't need to be trusted. They, like the rest of the msm, need to prove they're worthy of being trusted.

could it be that he is from the Scalia philosophy of the court. would scalia defend Ron Paul?

Why is it "Judge"?

He is a life-tenured Superior Court Judge in New Jersey. Not condoning his actions but still...

if I were convicted in any courtroom which Judge” Andrew Napolitano presided, I would ask my lawyer for a mistrial.

Trust is an EARNT commodity. There is no reason to respect or PAY for an institution that does not earn respect. Institutions are there to represent the best in our community, not to take advantage of their presence IN our communities.

Any relation to janet?

Moral of the story: Even judges sell out.

From Napolitano's Wiki page: Both Dr. Murray Sabrin and Lew Rockwell mentioned Napolitano as a possible vice presidential running mate for Republican Ron Paul during the 2008 presidential election.[2]

re: #2 NelsFree

Why does this happen? Fox News needs to be trusted.

I am just not a very trusting person. (& especially distrustful of the media)

re: #11 bryantms

Why is it "Judge"?

He is a life-tenured Superior Court Judge in New Jersey. Not condoning his actions but still...

he's condemned right there then

Sigh

re: #16 MandyManners

From Napolitano's Wiki page: Both Dr. Murray Sabrin and Lew Rockwell mentioned Napolitano as a possible vice presidential running mate for Republican Ron Paul during the 2008 presidential election.[2]

Very enlightening find, My Dear!

Prior to joining FOX, Napolitano was the presiding judge on the television show, Power of Attorney, which was similar to shows such as, The People's Court, where people brought small-claims disputes to a televised courtroom. The difference in Napolitano's TV "courtroom" was that plaintiffs and defendants were represented, "pro bono," by famous attorneys. The show ran in syndication during the 2000–2001 season.

Napolitano also co-hosts his own talk radio show on Fox News Radio titled, Brian and the Judge, with Brian Kilmeade.

Looks to be a bit of an attention-whore.

re: #20 Sharmuta

Very enlightening find, My Dear!

The source.

[Link: www.usadaily.com...]

There are plenty of good reporters and commentators on Fox Shows.
There are plenty of Fox programs on which Judge Napolitano is NOT present.

I am grateful CBS, ABC and NBC & PBS are no longer the universe of television news.

I am grateful MSNBC, CNN, CNN-International are no longer the cable universe.

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Steve Anderson got tuned up pretty go last week by border control agents. I posted some video of him proving them.

That guy is a real piece of work. It's almost unbelievable that he's being trotted out as some kind of hero.

Ooh. A Downdinger already? Should be a fun thread.

Routinely characterizing political extremists as mentally ill is a bit of a copout. For the most part, these fringe dwellers are not nuts at all - they are perfectly sane.
And that is so much more disturbing.

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

Geez. I get back from three weeks in the UK and everybody is kicking each others guts out. What is going on with the right, here? Why all the drama?

His site.

[Link: www.judgenap.com...]

Well this should settle once and for all what Napolitano's credibility is: Zero.

re: #28 GlockNspell

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

* * * **
You sound too tingly at the prospect.

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Well this should settle once and for all what Napolitano's credibility is: Zero.

But, he does have some wild hair. Reminds me of Eddy Munster.

re: #28 GlockNspell

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

No. It isn't.

re: #33 MandyManners

But, he does have some wild hair. Reminds me of Eddy Munster.

* * * *
Yes! But it's a real hairline, not a plugged one like posers' purchase.

re: #28 GlockNspell

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

No not at all.

re: #28 GlockNspell

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

When something can't get much worse, it could appear better..........but, uh, NO!

re: #28 GlockNspell

GAZE

re: #29 austin_blue

Geez. I get back from three weeks in the UK and everybody is kicking each others guts out. What is going on with the right, here? Why all the drama?

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

re: #26 Bloodnok

Ooh. A Downdinger already? Should be a fun thread.

three strips of latinum on #150

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

* * * *
You're extremely intolerant yourself for a "centrist"

Charles, check out Alouettes' spinoff down one thread.

re: #15 researchok

Moral of the story: Even judges sell out.

Cheap.

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

It's time to throw you out, troll.

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

I seem to recall that kid had a tough time of it. Sneaking food can be a terminal bitch.

re: #28 GlockNspell

I think.....Not! (yelling to my Schnauzer) `Get em` Gunner!

Is this any surprise. Murdock = Fox = The Sun = Post = all tabloid junk, Fox is just playing catch up.

Well, Dick Cheney's on now. Wanna live-blog something positive?

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

Centrist, huh, and I thought my jokes were bad.

The cancer of the journalism trade seems to have spread uniformly.

re: #28 GlockNspell

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

Er, no. Next question.

re: #40 GlockNspell

Ok SpeakNSpell ... B ... good. How you spell B ?

/thumbs a lift with ET - time to go home.

Would any lizards do business in a bank that had MSNBC blaring from multiple monitors in the lobby?

re: #34 Charles

No. It isn't.

This morning my husband and I were watching a recording of Glenn Beck and my husband remarked that Glenn Beck seemed like Rachel Maddow. Fox News and MSNBC are turning into mirror images of each other.

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

No, it's time for a real conservative party. Centrist is people sitting on the fence, with the fence post up their ass.

re: #49 iLikeCandy

Chaney=clarity=authoritative=loyal=strength=bane of liberal pussies

It's a veritable plethora of hyperbole.
Instead of LOLCats we need HyperboleCats.

re: #55 Fenway_Nation

Would any lizards do business in a bank that had MSNBC blaring from multiple monitors in the lobby?

Not me.

re: #28 GlockNspell

see? this is what u get with Fox News!

MSNBC is looking better every day, isn't it?

Yeah, let's bring back Dan Rather. /

re: #50 Idle Drifter

Centrist, huh, and I thought my jokes were bad.

Maybe I'm missing something - are you saying that the religious right and the kooks that go with it are NOT costing the Right elections? Will not a Huckabee or Jindal or Palin spell another disaster? I personally think that if Rudy Giuliani would run again, beef up his prochoice stance, bring it down a notch on the terrorist aspect, he might have a decent chance. If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

Why don't you set the example and throw yourself out.

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

There you go, making me look up stuff again, taking precious time away from my lolcat obsession. :)

Anyone else smell sulphur?

re: #62 GlockNspell

Maybe I'm missing something - are you saying that the religious right and the kooks that go with it are NOT costing the Right elections? Will not a Huckabee or Jindal or Palin spell another disaster? I personally think that if Rudy Giuliani would run again, beef up his prochoice stance, bring it down a notch on the terrorist aspect, he might have a decent chance. If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

If he did that to get elected, I'd scratch him off my list.

re: #55 Fenway_Nation

Would any lizards do business in a bank that had MSNBC blaring from multiple monitors in the lobby?

Not me. That channel BS angers me.

re: #40 GlockNspell

Wow .. you are a downdingers wet dream.

I`d Rather not.re: #61 HelloDare

re: #62 GlockNspell

Maybe I'm missing something - are you saying that the religious right and the kooks that go with it are NOT costing the Right elections? Will not a Huckabee or Jindal or Palin spell another disaster? I personally think that if Rudy Giuliani would run again, beef up his prochoice stance, bring it down a notch on the terrorist aspect, he might have a decent chance. If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

Are you joking?

re: #65 Fenway_Nation

Anyone else smell sulphur?

No, but I smell a string of rancid posts coming from glockspell.

re: #69 LatinGent

Preview is friend .. B good.

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

Hey why not just throw everybody out? Is this your idea of a political party...
A successful party brings people in..They don't throw people out..
The right is the party of grown ups..They lost an election..They didn't die..
There will be reform, introspection, growth and victories in the future.

re: #66 iLikeCandy

If he did that to get elected, I'd scratch him off my list.

I meant thats all he talked aobout in the campaign - i didn't say abandon his stance on terrorism but reach more people by talking more progressively - multiculturalism, social programs, prochoice, fiscal management, his leaderhip, etc

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Is this any surprise. Murdock = Fox = The Sun = Post = all tabloid junk, Fox is just playing catch up.

On Sunday morning I was watching Kurtz on CNN, and he spent at least half an hour portraying CNN's political coverage of the tea parties as moderate and reasonable. And he made a superficially convincing case by contrasting CNN's coverage with the mocking and grossly insulting coverage of MSNBC on the one hand, and the fawning and shilling of Fox on the other hand.
In relative terms, Kurtz was correct. But of course in absolute terms he was dead wrong.

re: #72 buzzsawmonkey

See, now that's a joke I wouldn't have understood if not for you making look stuff up. Curse you.
/

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

You know, that's not viable. That Reagan coalition is vital and the R's need to expand it to the middle, not dump it. Moderation in some targeted areas? You bet. Good move. But they will never "out-middle" the D's. That base must be expanded and a cogent political argument made that doesn't piss off either the base or the Independents. Tough, but doable.

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Hey why not just throw everybody out? Is this your idea of a political party...
A successful party brings people in..They don't throw people out..
The right is the party of grown ups..They lost an election..They didn't die..
There will be reform, introspection, growth and victories in the future.

I'm talking about reform.

Over the past few months we've witnessed the Paulification of the Republican party. The Tea Parties were a Ron Paul thing long before normal conservatives jumped on board. They adopted a Paulian economic message about the bogus Fair Tax plan and delusions of abolishing the Federal Reserve.
If you look into all the conspiracies theories going around these days about the DHS, Fema camps, FBI infiltrating Tea Parties, etc they pretty much all trace back to Paulian/Lew Rockwell/Alex Jones sources. They filter up nuts at Fox News and mainstream conservative bloggers repeat them. Conservatives are being played. You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

re: #75 GlockNspell

I meant thats all he talked aobout in the campaign - i didn't say abandon his stance on terrorism but reach more people by talking more progressively - multiculturalism, social programs, prochoice, fiscal management, his leaderhip, etc

Multiculturalism. Bleah. You can't see that that's fundamentally antithetical to conservatism?

re: #62 GlockNspell

Maybe I'm missing something - are you saying that the religious right and the kooks that go with it are NOT costing the Right elections? Will not a Huckabee or Jindal or Palin spell another disaster? I personally think that if Rudy Giuliani would run again, beef up his prochoice stance, bring it down a notch on the terrorist aspect, he might have a decent chance. If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

We are not looking for a watered down conservative, we are looking for a REAL conservative. You want to vote for a wimp?

re: #65 Fenway_Nation

Anyone else smell sulphur?

I thought somebody farted.

re: #75 GlockNspell

I meant thats all he talked aobout in the campaign - i didn't say abandon his stance on terrorism but reach more people by talking more progressively - multiculturalism, social programs, prochoice, fiscal management, his leaderhip, etc

OK, it's official: glockspell is a leftist infiltrator.

GAZE

re: #78 austin_blue

You know, that's not viable. That Reagan coalition is vital and the R's need to expand it to the middle, not dump it. Moderation in some targeted areas? You bet. Good move. But they will never "out-middle" the D's. That base must be expanded and a cogent political argument made that doesn't piss off either the base or the Independents. Tough, but doable.

okay, can you tell me then what those targeted areas are for moderation?

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Glocknspell's #40 sounds like a pretty extreme statement if you ask me.

re: #79 GlockNspell

I'm talking about reform.

No, you're talking about giving up conservative values just to win.

re: #75 GlockNspell

I meant thats all he talked aobout in the campaign - i didn't say abandon his stance on terrorism but reach more people by talking more progressively - multiculturalism, social programs, prochoice, fiscal management, his leaderhip, etc

Progressive? Multiculturalism? WTF are you talking about?

re: #62 GlockNspell

If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

Giuliani was sidelined, simply because he didnt sit there with the rest of the creationist monsters who have been let in the backdoor.

Giuliani has balls and is no fool, he wasnt going to spend campaign money frivolously when he was told BY HIS OWN PARTY that he would not be considered as their main candidate for the top job.

My respect for the man has not diminished.

re: #62 GlockNspell

Maybe I'm missing something - are you saying that the religious right and the kooks that go with it are NOT costing the Right elections? Will not a Huckabee or Jindal or Palin spell another disaster? I personally think that if Rudy Giuliani would run again, beef up his prochoice stance, bring it down a notch on the terrorist aspect, he might have a decent chance. If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

GnS ... progressive is just a warm and fuzzy word being used by the democrats to disguise their socialist agenda ... did you ever see the website and the members of congress who were on it ... trying to disguise themselves behind a cute word ... I hate the word progressive used in politics ... from web archives ... there is so much more ...

[Link: web.archive.org...]

re: #62 GlockNspell

Maybe I'm missing something - are you saying that the religious right and the kooks that go with it are NOT costing the Right elections? Will not a Huckabee or Jindal or Palin spell another disaster? I personally think that if Rudy Giuliani would run again, beef up his prochoice stance, bring it down a notch on the terrorist aspect, he might have a decent chance. If Giuliani would be seen as more progressive, he might be the best chance.

I don't think you believe half of what you are spewing and a word of advice don't put words in my mouth. You broad stroke a lot of people to draw the other lizards into flame war. The Elections are much more complicated to blame the loss on one group of people or any other reason. You are here for your own ammusement.

re: #25 Charles

That guy is a real piece of work. It's almost unbelievable that he's being trotted out as some kind of hero.

Yup, this story has been around the Paulian sites for about a week. This stuff used to just stay on the nutty conspiracy sites and nobody would really hear about it. Now it's mainstream stuff.

re: #3 MJ

What kind of judge is "Judge” Andrew Napolitano?

I dunno, but if I was being sued by C.A.I.R for being a rabid salivating islamophobe, I think I might like this guy sitting on the bench.

re: #40 GlockNspell

Maybe the right is not dead yet but it is going that way & IMHO if we want any sense in out politics it will have to come from a new party. Where I live there are many left-leaning people who have enough common sense to vote for programs that would work - they are against tripling the national debt for instance - but who will never never vote Republican, and with some reason, as the Republicans have been the party of big business, and what a debacle big business is seen as: greed rampant. exporting jobs, etc etc.

Both major parties are in the grip of their nut cases now, IMHO.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Over the past few months we've witnessed the Paulification of the Republican party. The Tea Parties were a Ron Paul thing long before normal conservatives jumped on board. They adopted a Paulian economic message about the bogus Fair Tax plan and delusions of abolishing the Federal Reserve.
If you look into all the conspiracies theories going around these days about the DHS, Fema camps, FBI infiltrating Tea Parties, etc they pretty much all trace back to Paulian/Lew Rockwell/Alex Jones sources. They filter up nuts at Fox News and mainstream conservative bloggers repeat them. Conservatives are being played. You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

Indeed.

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

Alle raus!
/

Charles:

You are on the right track. Just as Weimar gave Germany Hitler, the most dangerous thing about Obama and the left is that their incompetence will lead to a far right counter-reaction, as we are seeing now. The likes of Ron Paul and Buchanan will be on the vanguard of that far right reaction, which will begin in earnest as the coming hyperinflation hits, similar to the German experience.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Over the past few months we've witnessed the Paulification of the Republican party. The Tea Parties were a Ron Paul thing long before normal conservatives jumped on board. They adopted a Paulian economic message about the bogus Fair Tax plan and delusions of abolishing the Federal Reserve.
If you look into all the conspiracies theories going around these days about the DHS, Fema camps, FBI infiltrating Tea Parties, etc they pretty much all trace back to Paulian/Lew Rockwell/Alex Jones sources. They filter up nuts at Fox News and mainstream conservative bloggers repeat them. Conservatives are being played. You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

Indeed.

Oh? How do you know the Paulians aren't being played by ordinary Conservatives at this point? I went to a Teaparty and I didn't see a lick of Paulian lunacy. If Paulians started it, they've lost control and they've been overwhelmed by normal people who don't want to help build O-topia.

Ron Paul thinks we should reconsider secession. For him, sure, I'm all for it.

Yep, here comes the Judge --

re: #65 Fenway_Nation

Anyone else smell sulphur?

I smell BBQ'ed gamey buttocks.

re: #98 onepistoffyid

And they say history never repeats. What happens when you have a disaffected group of people who have had everything ravaged by hyperinflation?

They'll elect anyone who claims to have THE ANSWER.

That still sounds bad to me.

OK Everyone -

Judge Napolitano lost a lot of points for me today regarding his views on the treatment of "Illegal Combatants." He should know better, at the time of the 'Gitmo Camp being set up, prevailing legal opinion would have upheld it, AND, more importantly, the War Powers of the President of the US. Even the "Sainted Lincoln" made mistakes during the Civil War, which no Court would touch until after his Death - See: Ex Parte Milligan.
George W. Bush was our President from 2001-2009. He had to make decisions. I did NOT agree with all of them - though I consider myself on balance a "supporter" - even having voted for Gore - Lieberman in 2000, AND Bush - Cheney in 2004, AND "Palin - McCain" - in 2008.
Perhaps I am naive - I believe in the Osama Bin-Laden analysis - Weak Horses get Less Respect than Strong Ones. That is all.

-S-

You guys have given enough air time to Ron Paul to last me for a while. Back to watching Dick Cheney on Fox.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't find GlockNspell's positions to be very different from those of Kilgore, or the Head Lizard. Not that I agree with all of them, mind you.

Don't understand all the down dings.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Over the past few months we've witnessed the Paulification of the Republican party. The Tea Parties were a Ron Paul thing long before normal conservatives jumped on board. They adopted a Paulian economic message about the bogus Fair Tax plan and delusions of abolishing the Federal Reserve.
If you look into all the conspiracies theories going around these days about the DHS, Fema camps, FBI infiltrating Tea Parties, etc they pretty much all trace back to Paulian/Lew Rockwell/Alex Jones sources. They filter up nuts at Fox News and mainstream conservative bloggers repeat them. Conservatives are being played. You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

That comment would make sense over at hotair or perhaps even at ace's place. LGF, not so much.

A Serbian apologist just showed up in the "Durban II Fiasco" thread. I didn't know we had any left.

re: #103 Gang of One

I smell BBQ'ed gamey buttocks.

Kinda like sausage- you may appreciate the end result, but witnessing how it's made ain't pretty.

re: #40 GlockNspell

the Right has died. it's time for the "centrist" party if there's any chance in 2010 and 2012. Time to throw the religious right nuts out, the prolifer nuts out, the creationists out, the racists out, the extremists out.

To hell with Life Liberty Property, we don't need it. Sell it to win, to pander by buying votes!

Fuckin' brilliant!

re: #109 Charles

A Serbian apologist just showed up in the "Durban II Fiasco" thread. I didn't know we had any left.

Is it safe to assume that Serbian apologists also supported Russia's invasion of Georgia?

re: #98 onepistoffyid

Charles:

You are on the right track. Just as Weimar gave Germany Hitler, the most dangerous thing about Obama and the left is that their incompetence will lead to a far right counter-reaction, as we are seeing now. The likes of Ron Paul and Buchanan will be on the vanguard of that far right reaction, which will begin in earnest as the coming hyperinflation hits, similar to the German experience.

I wouldn't bet on it.

I really doubt the American people would be willing to trade one extremist for another. Obama got into office by posing as a moderate. The moderate streak is still strong in America and any extreme right wing wave will be painted as a bunch of fringe wackos. The commies in power will seem like the sane alternative to just enough people to keep them in power.

So sayeth me.

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

It's time to throw you out, troll.

I think it's become quite obvious that ol' GlockNSpell is a moby with trollish tendencies...the unoriginal bastard isn't even that "good", as it were.

re: #87 dapperdave

Glocknspell's #40 sounds like a pretty extreme statement if you ask me.

Extreme? I was worried he might knock on my door and throw me out of the party.. I pledge allegiance to the party platform for which it stands...
But..He did come back on board and say he favors reform..On that point..we agree .The next couple of years we will watch the GOP undergo reform..It will be painful and fascinating to watch...

re: #98 onepistoffyid

Charles:

You are on the right track. Just as Weimar gave Germany Hitler, the most dangerous thing about Obama and the left is that their incompetence will lead to a far right counter-reaction, as we are seeing now. The likes of Ron Paul and Buchanan will be on the vanguard of that far right reaction, which will begin in earnest as the coming hyperinflation hits, similar to the German experience.

I'm worried that the counter-reaction will inflict Giuliani on us, actually. The man's a major authoritarian.

"Oh, Rudy can't be an authoritarian! He's pro-choice and pro-gun-control and keeps the trains running and and... oh"

re: #111 jcm

To hell with Life Liberty Property, we don't need it. Sell it to win, to pander by buying votes!

Fuckin' brilliant!

That goes right up there with the 'let's-make-nice-with-the-people-who-hate-our-guts ' schoold of GOP policy...

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

We are not looking for a watered down conservative, we are looking for a REAL conservative. You want to vote for a wimp?

Walter L. Newton -

On this one we are in complete agreement. RUDY might be able to be elected Governor of New York. Nationally - TOO MUCH BAGGAGE - too bad, actually.

-S-

re: #109 Charles

I keep my opinions on that whole situation to myself. I think its a LOT more complex than the media portrayed it and the whole civil war thing just stunk to high heaven of media beatup.

But then the Chechen thing sounds very much the same. Did you notice the Russians have now aquiesced to the whole Chechen independance thing?

There is more to the story than ANY media is prepared to divulge. But I dont think you'll ever get the RIGHT story.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

Shouldn't that be "You'se guys"?
A generalization piled on top of a mischaracterization, methinks.

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

re: #101 HelloDare

I try to limit gratuitous name calling, but this guy's an idiot.

/(Less gratuitous than statement of fact?)

re: #108 funky chicken

That comment would make sense over at hotair or perhaps even at ace's place. LGF, not so much.

There are still plenty of people here in denial about this. Like all suckers they'll swear to the bitter end that they aren't being duped. Warnings fall on deaf ears.

re: #121 Charles

As far as foreign policy is concerned, Ron Paul is a Code Pinker in drag.

re: #107 rawmuse

Maybe it's just me, but I don't find GlockNspell's positions to be very different from those of Kilgore, or the Head Lizard. Not that I agree with all of them, mind you.

Don't understand all the down dings.

thank you. i don't undrstand it either. i did NOT vote for Obama but there's no way I voted for a radical religionist in Palin.

I've tried to point out what I've seen at several blogs and newsmediums - and ive seen it here too - that unless the right dumps the religious nuts (that includes creationists n IDers) and MODERATES extreme views, nothing will change. I don't want a socialist in the White House but I dont want a Huckabee or Thompson or someone like that.

right now the only one i'd vote for President would be Joe Lieberman - he's good on defense and terror and he's at least realistic that we need to fund social programs more than ever as the economy sux.

re: #118 Dr. Shalit

Walter L. Newton -

On this one we are in complete agreement. RUDY might be able to be elected Governor of New York. Nationally - TOO MUCH BAGGAGE - too bad, actually.

-S-

I'm from New York, Brooklyn, Rudy is a very typical New York politician, good enough for the city, but won't play well with the big boys out of state.

Reminds me of Fiorello Laguardia, with a tab more covering his tracks.

I stopped watching Fox News much last fall, and stopped completely after the election in November. I thought it was partly because I was focusing more on managing my finances as the market was crashing and because the shows just weren't interesting to me anymore. Now I am thinking that it was because they were moving in this strange direction. Also thinking that maybe a lot of people stopped watching and they got increasingly desperate in their efforts to attract viewers.

Two parts truth .. one part lie and you got the mix. Ok .. strengthen your lies with the facts as they stand .. and repeat .. again and again.

The mantra becomes a hammer and before you know it .. you have a set of Paulian zombies .. chanting your mantra .. seeking .. mmm BRAINS ...

re: #125 GlockNspell

GnS ... how do you think it helps the economy by increasing funding to "social" programs ... or what exactly do you mean by "social" programs ... I may be confused ...

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Over the past few months we've witnessed the Paulification of the Republican party. The Tea Parties were a Ron Paul thing long before normal conservatives jumped on board. They adopted a Paulian economic message about the bogus Fair Tax plan and delusions of abolishing the Federal Reserve.
If you look into all the conspiracies theories going around these days about the DHS, Fema camps, FBI infiltrating Tea Parties, etc they pretty much all trace back to Paulian/Lew Rockwell/Alex Jones sources. They filter up nuts at Fox News and mainstream conservative bloggers repeat them. Conservatives are being played. You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

That's a mighty broad brush you're tossing around.

In fact, as you indicate, the sources of most of those ideas aren't conservatives in the traditional model - but Libretarians. Libretarians who like to think they are like conservatives, but they are not. The crew you mention are doing the same things here the euro-nazi trash is doing in Europe, trying to get respectability and visibility using a populist message and appealing to the FUD factor these trying times have created. None of this stuff is mainstream conservatism - any more than religious fundamentalism is mainstream conservatism.

Frankly, when it comes to the Flat Tax, there is a good economic model around it being far better for the country than the current progressive style tax which is designed to redistribute wealth. A true conservative would want a tax system that funds the basic needs of the government - but does little more than that. Being willing to consider that hardly makes me a fan of Luap Nor, Cindy Sheehan's boyfriend, Alex Jones, or the whacked out Libretarian NJ Judge.

Let's shine the light on their delusions. Let's tackle and discredit their ideas. People shouldn't / don't want to be associated with these nitwits - and we have to educate people just how much these people are nitwits. But tossing a broad brush doesn't work. It's like saying any blogger is just like Pamela or Robert just because they blog too.

re: #98 onepistoffyid

However, there is also a danger of Obama instituting his own fascist police force. This is what Thomas Sowell, the wisest man in America, has to say on that subject.

re: #118 Dr. Shalit

Walter L. Newton -

On this one we are in complete agreement. RUDY might be able to be elected Governor of New York. Nationally - TOO MUCH BAGGAGE - too bad, actually.

-S-

Not only that but if my relatives in Texas are any indication of voters from the southwest and/or south/flyover country, they would never, ever vote for Rudy. I don't know why since they aren't able to articulate it very well. Just the usual "Nope, never gonna vote for him" sort of stance. And I don't think it's his baggage as much as his carpet-baggage (to them, not the folks in NY). Does that even make sense?

For the record, I was living in NYC when 9/11 happened and was impressed and reassured by the Mayor's constant appearance on NY1 in the aftermath and would vote for him in a heartbeat.

re: #121 Charles

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

Was taking in Mark Levin earlier -- he flamed a Ron Paul supporter who called in and was giving Levin screed about Levin and his take on the FedRes. Then, Hannity calls in later and they are yucking it up like buddies. Doesn't Hannity give airtime to the likes of Ron Paul, Buchanan and other far-rights types? Wassup with that?

/Just askin', as I can't figure it out ...

Is Lew Rockwell any relation to George Lincoln?

re: #125 GlockNspell

I am at the point where I have issues with almost every politician, it only varies by degree.

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

Here's something to make you even sicker; the thought that Ron Paul may be The New Reagan, under the theory that history repeats itself as farce--and that a far-right crank in power might end up being the only force that could undo the damage wrought by a leftwing crank to the point that America returns to the center.

I threw up in my mouth a little just typing that, because I can imagine it coming to pass.

If that happens, it will be without my help.

Is this right? or is this left? or is this the ideal party according to GlockNspell?

You decide

I think Virginia Postrel was onto something when she proposed that the right/left meme has become useless. She suggested a better dichotomy is Statism vs Dynamism. I think there's something to this.

Being willing to consider that hardly makes me a fan of Luap Nor, Cindy Sheehan's boyfriend, Alex Jones, or the whacked out Libretarian NJ Judge.

She has a BOYFRIEND?

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

re: #121 Charles

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

It really is the end of the world!

Okay, over the top, just the end of the party unless sanity can be reasserted. But the way things are I'm thinking more and more the (R)s are going the way of the Whigs they replaced.

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

Lets just get the CRANKS out of the representational wards and work with the idea of electing people who are responsible .. clear thinking and rational.

It would be a totally new concept in politics.

re: #121 Charles

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

Of course he is gaining traction, he is selling jew hatred tied to the economic problems, and everyone knows it. The Federal reserve is considered by the Paulians to be a jewish plot, and Israel is the source of all our Muslim problems. The blame the jews canard is very seductive to many americans on the left and right. When society is faced with difficult problems, it always ends with scapegoating of the jews.

Also remember the great groundswell of conservative love for the idiot governor of Texas who wanted to succeede?
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The first interpretation, as held by the Tenth Amendment Center, the Libertarian and Constitution Parties, and a few Republicans including Ron Paul and Jeff Flake, is that the Constitution does not grant the United States any power that it does not expressly mention. This has been used as the basis for such court cases as Gonzales v. Raich, and for arguments in favor of repealing a large number of Federal laws, abolishing the Federal Reserve, and drastically slashing the Federal budget by 50% or more.

Ron Paul has been championing this stuff for a long time. This is also why you see so many signs at Tea Parties saying stuff like "read the Constitution", etc. Conservatives are even adopting Paulian views on Constitutionality. The man's a quack, not a role model.

re: #121 Charles

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

The overexposure may open him up to more criticism and proper venting before 2012. He's burning the candle at both ends in his hopes to gain popularity for the presidency. However, the damage being done will overshadow any GOP election bid as conservatives will be held culpable for even considering Ron Paul.

re: #129 JacksonTn

GnS ... how do you think it helps the economy by increasing funding to "social" programs ... or what exactly do you mean by "social" programs ... I may be confused ...

i meant that with the economy so bad there is more and more need for social support of thoese in trouble - there's going to be more of "net" needed than ever before. More people will be needing assistance programs whether it's job training or healthcare or living assistance. I think Lieberman has always voted on that side of the issue - he tough on enemies, and compassionae at home

re: #134 Gang of One

Was taking in Mark Levin earlier -- he flamed a Ron Paul supporter who called in and was giving Levin screed about Levin and his take on the FedRes. Then, Hannity calls in later and they are yucking it up like buddies. Doesn't Hannity give airtime to the likes of Ron Paul, Buchanan and other far-rights types? Wassup with that?

/Just askin', as I can't figure it out ...

Mark Levin and Ron Paul agree on evolution. They're both creationists.

re: #86 GlockNspell

okay, can you tell me then what those targeted areas are for moderation?

Okay, let's see.

Stem cell research. Abortion cannot supply stem cells. The pregnancy is too advanced six days after sperm and ovum say howdy.

The teaching of evolution as science and not creationism in drag as an analogue.

Trying to come to grips with abortion where limits are based on *human life* (we've got a good definition of human death for the purpose of organ donations- no higher brain function [cognitive!] equals no longer human). Is that a jump point for discussing abortion?

And finally, reviewing the conservative stance on anthropogenic global warming, which is where, scientifically, evolution was in the 60's. What blew the critic's away in re: to evolution was gene coding. All of a sudden, shared DNA gave a road map to shared concestors. I think we will see, in the next couple of years, similar advances in the global warming debate.

My 2 cents.

re: #118 Dr. Shalit

NY is shaping up to be Rudy v. Andy Cuomo. If Cuomo gets scalps of politicos engaged in corruption at the NYS pension fund and elsewhere, he might have the inside track. Rudy and Andy would be one of the more entertaining races to come along in quite some time.

It doesn't matter who the next President is, we the people are still going to be saddled with the staggering legacy of debt obligation, high taxes, intrusion, lack of privacy, that this record level of spending is going to guarantee.

In a way, Obama is a sick genius. The template will not be undone in my lifetime.

re: #134 Gang of One

Was taking in Mark Levin earlier -- he flamed a Ron Paul supporter who called in and was giving Levin screed about Levin and his take on the FedRes. Then, Hannity calls in later and they are yucking it up like buddies. Doesn't Hannity give airtime to the likes of Ron Paul, Buchanan and other far-rights types? Wassup with that?

/Just askin', as I can't figure it out ...

Mark Levin lost me when he screamed like a maniac at a caller who criticized teaching intelligent design creationism in science classes.

re: #28 GlockNspell

Do you have a crush on Keith Olbermann?

re: #147 GlockNspell

i meant that with the economy so bad there is more and more need for social support of thoese in trouble - there's going to be more of "net" needed than ever before. More people will be needing assistance programs whether it's job training or healthcare or living assistance. I think Lieberman has always voted on that side of the issue - he tough on enemies, and compassionae at home

GnS ... we will have to just disagree about the increased spending on "social" programs helping the economy ... Joe is a nice guy ... but I would not vote for him for president ... unless he was running against Obama ...

re: #112 Fenway_Nation

Is it safe to assume that Serbian apologists also supported Russia's invasion of Georgia?

Fenway _ Nation -

Be pretty assured of that. I support Georgia, AND still think that Sakhashvili over reached himself and his nation without having solid support. In effect, Georgia became "The Mouse That Roared" - unfortunately, the Mouse Roared at a Bear - Wrong Enemy to have, the "Bear" doesn't care, and given a chance will eat you for lunch - See: Chechnya. That is all.

-S-

re: #148 HelloDare

Mark Levin and Ron Paul agree on evolution. They're both creationists.

Levin? A creationist? Seems kind of counter-intuitive ...

re: #123 Killgore Trout

There are still plenty of people here in denial about this. Like all suckers they'll swear to the bitter end that they aren't being duped. Warnings fall on deaf ears.

funky's got some of the deafer ears I've encountered at this site. She's one of those who want that Man On The White Horse already.

I provide 1,610 links at reason.com for Rudy's abuses of due process and disregard for the Constitution (most of which are links to primary source material and reputable newspapers), and she finds it easier to hit the "minus" than to hit the link. Every time I dare utter a harsh word against Rudy G, the chicken does her funky little dance on the "minus" sign.

When she will find it in herself to explain how this guy is worthy of a nomination, or just to look into his record, I don't know.

re: #151 rawmuse

It doesn't matter who the next President is, we the people are still going to be saddled with the staggering legacy of debt obligation, high taxes, intrusion, lack of privacy, that this record level of spending is going to guarantee.

In a way, Obama is a sick genius. The template will not be undone in my lifetime.

Don't forget health care...God help us when that comes to pass.

Who is Andrew P. Napolitano?

There seems to be a gap in his history available on line. According to Wiki he seems to appear from out of "thin air" in 1987. He was born in 1950 which means there is a 37 year gap in his biography. All I find is:

Napolitano sat on the New Jersey bench from 1987 to 1995, becoming the state's youngest life-tenured judge. He also served as an adjunct professor at Seton Hall University School of Law for 11 years.

Other references are rather vague. Where is his CV? Where can one find his judicial history or his writing? All I can find regarding his writings as a few popular politics books at Amazon.

Speaking of Amazon, there is a section called "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" on his page. The books they bought in addition to Napolitano's includes on by Ron Paul and "The End of America" by Naomi Wolf. We at least get to identify his audience with this information.

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Also remember the great groundswell of conservative love for the idiot governor of Texas who wanted to succeede?
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Ron Paul has been championing this stuff for a long time. This is also why you see so many signs at Tea Parties saying stuff like "read the Constitution", etc. Conservatives are even adopting Paulian views on Constitutionality. The man's a quack, not a role model.

The Federal Government has vastly over reached it's charter. Just because some loons have a few point right or somewhat right doesn't invalidate the point.

re: #152 Charles

Mark Levin lost me when he screamed like a maniac at a caller who criticized teaching intelligent design creationism in science classes.

Whoa.

re: #158 Dar ul Harbarian

Don't forget health care...God help us when that comes to pass.

See "intrusion, lack of privacy"

Charles, I visited GOV and there is a discussion in the comments section (the one with that Valams Belang video) on why you linked to them through tiny url and the Baron GOT IT so wrong . They think it's "camouflage" and that they have a very smart site meter. This is hilarious
These people are paranoid.

re: #113 Dar ul Harbarian

I wouldn't bet on it.

I really doubt the American people would be willing to trade one extremist for another. Obama got into office by posing as a moderate. The moderate streak is still strong in America and any extreme right wing wave will be painted as a bunch of fringe wackos. The commies in power will seem like the sane alternative to just enough people to keep them in power.

So sayeth me.

I really hope you are correct, my life may depend on it.

re: #156 Gang of One

Levin? A creationist? Seems kind of counter-intuitive ...

Yes, Mark Levin is a creationist. See #152.

I almost made that a front page post, and I still might.

re: #107 rawmuse

Maybe it's just me, but I don't find GlockNspell's positions to be very different from those of Kilgore, or the Head Lizard. Not that I agree with all of them, mind you.

Don't understand all the down dings.

I ran across him last weekend or maybe the weekend before and he was obnoxious and insulting in his comments so I've gone into Boba Fett mode with him. If I could, I'd slap him with a fish.
/

re: #109 Charles

A Serbian apologist just showed up in the "Durban II Fiasco" thread. I didn't know we had any left.

Not sure it's healthly, but these days, I find myself coming here in large part to watch the "bescalings." Off to the Durban thread....

re: #157 Zimriel

funky's got some of the deafer ears I've encountered at this site. She's one of those who want that Man On The White Horse already.

I provide 1,610 links at reason.com for Rudy's abuses of due process and disregard for the Constitution (most of which are links to primary source material and reputable newspapers), and she finds it easier to hit the "minus" than to hit the link. Every time I dare utter a harsh word against Rudy G, the chicken does her funky little dance on the "minus" sign.

When she will find it in herself to explain how this guy is worthy of a nomination, or just to look into his record, I don't know.

We can certainly agree on that.

re: #121 Charles

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

Charles -

Ron Paul might have been a great guy to have as President Pre - 1861. After that, not so much. America matured, when will Congressman Paul?

-S-

re: #152 Charles

Mark Levin lost me when he screamed like a maniac at a caller who criticized teaching intelligent design creationism in science classes.

He did the same to this caller. Truth to tell, I was unhappy with Levin's refusal or inability to challenge the caller point by point. Levin was insulting; kinda lost me, too.

*** THIS JUST IN ***
*** MUST CREDIT ZIMRIEL ***
Politicians from the city of New York are not living saints, and can in fact make mistakes - and might even subscribe to bad ideas !

re: #163 Abu Lahab

Charles, I visited GOV and there is a discussion in the comments section (the one with that Valams Belang video) on why you linked to them through tiny url and the Baron GOT IT so wrong . They think it's "camouflage" and that they have a very smart site meter. This is hilarious
These people are paranoid.

I linked to them through tinyurl because I don't want to increase their Google pagerank.

re: #134 Gang of One

Was taking in Mark Levin earlier -- he flamed a Ron Paul supporter who called in and was giving Levin screed about Levin and his take on the FedRes. Then, Hannity calls in later and they are yucking it up like buddies. Doesn't Hannity give airtime to the likes of Ron Paul, Buchanan and other far-rights types? Wassup with that?

/Just askin', as I can't figure it out ...

I've noticed that too about Levin. He's 1000 times smarter and more insightful than Hannity but continues to bow to him. I'm not sure of Levin's radio hosting history but I have concluded that Hannity had a great deal to do with Mark getting into radio. I could be wrong but Levin always defers to Sean in a respectful way that indicates he owes him something. Anyway, that's the way I see it.re: #152 Charles

Mark Levin lost me when he screamed like a maniac at a caller who criticized teaching intelligent design creationism in science classes.

I heard that call and was a bit taken aback by his position since in other areas he's so logical. But in fairness, Levin screams at everyone.

"Get off my phone!"

re: #125 GlockNspell

we need to fund social programs LOWER TAXES, CUT SPENDING, CLOSE THE BORDERS more than ever as the economy sux.

Lieberman, God bless him, is a Democrat, not a conservative.

re: #121 Charles

Killgore is on target. Ron Paul is absolutely gaining influence on the right. He's on Fox News all the time, and more and more right wing blogs are promoting his ideas.

It makes me a little sick.

But surely he's not gaining influence here at LGF, is he?

re: #152 Charles

Mark Levin lost me when he screamed like a maniac at a caller who criticized teaching intelligent design creationism in science classes.

Mark Levin is smart but he's a dyed inthe wool reactionary - he's starting to sound like Glenn Beck on a radio show

re: #156 Gang of One

Levin? A creationist? Seems kind of counter-intuitive ...

Name one prominent Republican besides Mitt Romney who isn't.

re: #177 HelloDare

Name one prominent Republican besides Mitt Romney who isn't.

Rudy

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Steve Anderson got tuned up pretty go last week by border control agents. I posted some video of him proving them.

Somebody translate this for me. Or is the dementia already setting in? I've never heard of Steve Anderson before.

re: #171 Zimriel

*** THIS JUST IN ***
*** MUST CREDIT ZIMRIEL ***
Politicians from the city of New York are not living saints, and can in fact make mistakes - and might even subscribe to bad ideas !

They are too saints! That Dupre tramp just drugged and corrupted their heroic governor.

re: #180 Dar ul Harbarian

They are too saints! That Dupre tramp just drugged and corrupted their heroic governor.

and yes that was sarc

re: #180 Dar ul Harbarian

They are too saints! That Dupre tramp just drugged and corrupted their heroic governor.

Darwin's fault. //

re: #175 Spare O'Lake

But surely he's not gaining influence here at LGF, is he?

He was starting to, before the Lounge was closed. Certainly his "philosophical" forebears in the Birch Society were here in force; a week or so ago Charles had to clean up a large pile of troll droppings from such sources.

re: #79 GlockNspell

I'm talking about reform.

Like the school you went to?

re: #172 Charles

Sure, I know and I know it's a lie about "low traffic". But they need to get that, I'm sure they read the comments here.
Baron: "NO, your site meter isn't unique and tiny URL is used because the link means nothing to Google then".

re: #28 GlockNspell

/?

(shorthand for "forgot your sarc tag?")

It's almost like Fox is out to destroy the Republican party. Loons and Goons wall to wall.

On the other hand, maybe they are just playing to their projected demographic. Network news continues to fall as Cable news continues to increase, but... the audience just isn't that large and the remaining market share to steal is all watching network news, and that's an older, more paleo demographic. This chart tells the tale, and from this you almost could have predicted last election:

[Link: www.stateofthemedia.org...]

How on earth can they know what traffic does LGF has except through Alexa?! And Alexa is not a reliable source. I remember that their toolbar was detected as spyware by some security products.

Mitt Romney in the NYT, May 11, 2007

“I believe that God designed the universe and created the universe,” Mr. Romney said in an interview this week. “And I believe evolution is most likely the process he used to create the human body.”

He was asked: Is that intelligent design?

“I’m not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design,” he said. “But I believe God is intelligent and I believe he designed the creation. And I believe he used the process of evolution to create the human body.”

While governor of Massachusetts, Mr. Romney opposed the teaching of intelligent design in science classes.

“In my opinion, the science class is where to teach evolution, or if there are other scientific thoughts that need to be discussed,” he said. “If we’re going to talk about more philosophical matters, like why it was created, and was there an intelligent designer behind it, that’s for the religion class or philosophy class or social studies
class.”

[ snip ]

He told his interviewers that he did not believe there was a “conflict between true science and true religion,” he said.

“True science and true religion are on exactly the same page,” he said. “they may come from different angles, but they reach the same conclusion. I’ve never found a conflict between the science of evolution and the belief that God created the universe. He uses scientific tools to do his work.”

re: #177 HelloDare

Name one prominent Republican besides Mitt Romney who isn't.

McCain? Bush?

re: #179 funky chicken

Somebody translate this for me. Or is the dementia already setting in? I've never heard of Steve Anderson before.

It's this guy:

re: #139 Danny

I think Virginia Postrel was onto something when she proposed that the right/left meme has become useless. She suggested a better dichotomy is Statism vs Dynamism. I think there's something to this.

Stasism, not statism :)

re: #187 Thanos

It's almost like Fox is out to destroy the Republican party. Loons and Goons wall to wall.

On the other hand, maybe they are just playing to their projected demographic. Network news continues to fall as Cable news continues to increase, but... the audience just isn't that large and the remaining market share to steal is all watching network news, and that's an older, more paleo demographic. This chart tells the tale, and from this you almost could have predicted last election:

[Link: www.stateofthemedia.org...]

I'll still take Fox any day over CNN, MSNBC or any of the rest of the Pravda wannabe MFM out there.

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Mine too; I just wanted to throw the scenario out there. It seems frighteningly plausible at the moment.

I don't think so. Not Ron Paul. I don't believe he has the personal charisma necessary. He ain't no Obama. Although I disagree with almost everything Obama believe in; he comes across as a good guy. Ron Paul comes across a bit...whacky. Even if you don't fully understand his policies. When it comes down to getting the vote from people that don't really pay that much attention(most of the voting public) it comes down to feelings. Sad but true.

I think this discussion hits at Levin's approach to creationism. It's reflexive, and doesn't address the science. Teaching the debate? There is no debate here since evolutionary science is not debatable with creationism - a religious belief system.

Levin is clearly wrong here.

I will say I'm seriously disappointed in Levin since he's usually got good legal analysis. Oh, and as someone who usually tunes in to his show during drive-time, he usually rants off on all the liberal callers - "get off my phone you big dope" is one of his catch phrases. He usually bloviates in that way.

re: #177 HelloDare

Name one prominent Republican besides Mitt Romney who isn't.

That's a really good question. I wonder what is the relationship between being Republican and a creationist (if there is a connection at all). Is it that people who are raised with a creationist background tend to migrate to the Republican party? I'm not putting down creationists or Republicans (or anyone for that matter) but I think you ask an excellent question.

re: #195 lawhawk

Oops. Here's the link.

The day Paul gets traction at LGF I will eat my hat.

re: #198 Spare O'Lake

The day Paul gets traction at LGF I will eat my hat.

That guy needs to have a sex scandal.

re: #193 LGoPs

I'll still take Fox any day over CNN, MSNBC or any of the rest of the Pravda wannabe MFM out there.

I'll stick to the net - the real news on fox now is in the scroll, not on the main screen.

re: #198 Spare O'Lake

The day Paul gets traction at LGF I will eat my hat.

That day will never come. Charles will shut this site down before letting that happen.

re: #113 Dar ul Harbarian

As I've said before, it is pretty damn early to be conceding the 2010 elections, let alone the 2012 elections. To the extent that we are saying that it is already lost? Becauses ome people that we don't like haven't just shut up and gone away? Wishing it so, won't make it so. If we aren't willing to fight for the Party, but instead say "It's lost", then, fo rus it is lost. If you think the Democrats will welcome you into a big tent, though, you are dreaming. The Left require a rigid orthodoxy that allows for no dissent on anything of any significance. I'm sure they will let you vote for them, but don't think that will buy you a place at the table.

Go to the back of the bus, sit down, and shut up. When they want you to have an opinion, they will tell you what to believe.

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Since creationism has come up, I would like to say straight out that I do not give a damn if any politician is a "creationist"--as long as it is clear that s/he has absolutely no plan to shoehorn it into a science class.

What a person believes is their own personal business; it's what they do that's important.

Concur.

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

What a person believes is their own personal business; it's what they do that's important.

+++++++++!

re: #201 Thanos

I'll stick to the net - the real news on fox now is in the scroll, not on the main screen.

Actually, I haven't watched Fox since Brit Hume left his show. I don't watch any news anymore. Can't say I miss it.

re: #191 jaunte

It's this guy:

I thought he was the lead singer for Yes.

Geez, the list of 'conservatives' deemed acceptable here shrinks by the hour.

i like hearing what v.p. cheney had to say on fox i would call that news thanos

re: #191 jaunte

It's this guy:

[Video]

Skeptic Alert Level 5!

Before we have a meltdown...

Creation-Evolution Continuum

re: #199 Dar ul Harbarian

That guy needs to have a sex scandal.

BARF

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Since creationism has come up, I would like to say straight out that I do not give a damn if any politician is a "creationist"--as long as it is clear that s/he has absolutely no plan to shoehorn it into a science class.

What a person believes is their own personal business; it's what they do that's important.

That Jindal or even Palin subscribe to creationism isn't in and of itself a problem. It's when they support introducing it into science classes that I have a problem. Thus far, Jindal has gone in that direction. Palin hasn't AFAIK.

Science should be taught in science class. It really is that simple. The ID/creationism crowd want to obfuscate the discussion, using pseudoscience to shoehorn creationism/religion into the science classroom.

re: #195 lawhawk

I think this discussion hits at Levin's approach to creationism. It's reflexive, and doesn't address the science. Teaching the debate? There is no debate here since evolutionary science is not debatable with creationism - a religious belief system.

Levin is clearly wrong here.

I will say I'm seriously disappointed in Levin since he's usually got good legal analysis. Oh, and as someone who usually tunes in to his show during drive-time, he usually rants off on all the liberal callers - "get off my phone you big dope" is one of his catch phrases. He usually bloviates in that way.

If I recall correctly, what Levin said to the caller when creationism was mentioned as being introduced into classrooms was "you don't get to decide, we do!". Whatever that means, since the caller could also be a "we", the taxpayer. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured he was annoyed with the caller and went into his schtick.

But you're right that it was disappointing. I normally enjoy listening to him take apart the left but thought he overstepped on that comment. And it's funny, as I heard it while driving in the car my first thought was "I wonder what Charles at LGF is going to think of that". Seriously.

I'm sorry to go off topic on you guys..
But I'm watching the playoffs and this year during time outs they have a mike in the huddle..So we get to hear what goes on during the timeout.
So imagine you are a coach payed 5 million dollars a year surrounded by a 100 million dollars of athletes and you are screaming in the huddle..'We have got to rebound more!' Lawdy if I knew it would be that easy to be an NBA coach and make 5 million a year..Listen..For 6 million I'll scream for somebody to rebound AND block out in the lane and use a ton of cool curse words to boot..I missed my calling lizards

re: #195 lawhawk

I think this discussion hits at Levin's approach to creationism. It's reflexive, and doesn't address the science. Teaching the debate? There is no debate here since evolutionary science is not debatable with creationism - a religious belief system.

Levin is clearly wrong here.

I will say I'm seriously disappointed in Levin since he's usually got good legal analysis. Oh, and as someone who usually tunes in to his show during drive-time, he usually rants off on all the liberal callers - "get off my phone you big dope" is one of his catch phrases. He usually bloviates in that way.

schtick stolen from Joe Pyne

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Since creationism has come up, I would like to say straight out that I do not give a damn if any politician is a "creationist"--as long as it is clear that s/he has absolutely no plan to shoehorn it into a science class.

What a person believes is their own personal business; it's what they do that's important.

The problem with your position is that you cannot know what a politician will do before they are elected. Are you prepared to simply take their word that they will not try to implement their personal beliefs?

re: #213 lawhawk

if they taught it in a theology class i would not have a problem with it

re: #199 Dar ul Harbarian

That guy needs to have a sex scandal.

Ron Paul caught in flagrante delicto with............

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

We can certainly agree on that.

Note too the symptoms... quiet downdings, but not a word of argument. They know that Giuliani's a tyrant. They just don't care. If the tyrant agrees with them then it's kind of like they're the tyrant too!

Here's an article referring to a pro-Rudy police demonstration which nearly turned into a riot, 16 Sept 1992.

re: #219 jcm

that pic will cause blindness.

re: #216 Thanos

That actually makes sense since Levin grew up in PA. He probably heard Pyne at some point.

re: #177 HelloDare

re: #177 HelloDare

Name one prominent Republican besides Mitt Romney who isn't.

I'm guessing here but I'd stake money on it:
Cornyn, Cantor, Boehner, Hutchison, McConnell.

re: #219 jcm

Ron Paul caught in flagrante delicto with............

*HURLS CHUNKS*

re: #199 Dar ul Harbarian

That guy needs to have a sex scandal.

Downdinged, for really bad mental picture.

re: #201 Thanos

I'll stick to the net - the real news on fox now is in the scroll, not on the main screen.

Speaking of scroll, I like the bottom comments on Jim Cramer's show on MSNBC. I keep the sound off and read that and it's pretty entertaining while on the treadmill.

re: #220 Zimriel

No, dude. It's just so stupid to keep insisting that Rudy Giuliani is a tyrant that people don't bother arguing the point.

Where's those NYC gulags if he's such a tyrant?

He saved NYC from the Dinkins nightmare.

Oh hells yeah, my new CD came today! I am so plugging this bitch in!

/OT I know, but I just can't restrain myself... I'll STFU now

re: #203 Iron Fist

As I've said before, it is pretty damn early to be conceding the 2010 elections, let alone the 2012 elections. To the extent that we are saying that it is already lost? Becauses ome people that we don't like haven't just shut up and gone away? Wishing it so, won't make it so. If we aren't willing to fight for the Party, but instead say "It's lost", then, fo rus it is lost. If you think the Democrats will welcome you into a big tent, though, you are dreaming. The Left require a rigid orthodoxy that allows for no dissent on anything of any significance. I'm sure they will let you vote for them, but don't think that will buy you a place at the table.

Go to the back of the bus, sit down, and shut up. When they want you to have an opinion, they will tell you what to believe.

I think you misconstrued what I said.

I said any extreme right wing wave would be defeated. I didn't say it was inevitable that there would be an extreme right wing wave.

I was not advocating defeatism, rather warning about what could happen if a given scenario played out. And I certainly didn't expect to be welcomed by the leftwing extremists.

re: #213 lawhawk

That Jindal or even Palin subscribe to creationism isn't in and of itself a problem. It's when they support introducing it into science classes that I have a problem. Thus far, Jindal has gone in that direction. Palin hasn't AFAIK.

Science should be taught in science class. It really is that simple. The ID/creationism crowd want to obfuscate the discussion, using pseudoscience to shoehorn creationism/religion into the science classroom.

I will have to disagree. If one believes in Çreationism, what other whack beliefs will they hold? How will this affect their public policy decisions?

re: #220 Zimriel

Note too the symptoms... quiet downdings, but not a word of argument. They know that Giuliani's a tyrant. They just don't care. If the tyrant agrees with them then it's kind of like they're the tyrant too!

Here's an article referring to a pro-Rudy police demonstration which nearly turned into a riot, 16 Sept 1992.

Rudy Giuliani...a tyrant? That's the dumbest post Ive seen here.

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Since creationism has come up, I would like to say straight out that I do not give a damn if any politician is a "creationist"--as long as it is clear that s/he has absolutely no plan to shoehorn it into a science class.

What a person believes is their own personal business; it's what they do that's important.

You are right, as usual, Buzzsawmonkey. I wouldn't care if my representative or even the President worshiped a head of lettuce, as long as those viewpoints did not affect me or my family.

re: #192 Thanos

Stasism, not statism :)

Oh yeah, that's right. Good catch.

re: #225 talon_262

*HURLS CHUNKS*

Is that a piece of lung?

re: #207 axegrinder

I thought he was the lead singer for Yes.

Wasn't that Ian Anderson?

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Since creationism has come up, I would like to say straight out that I do not give a damn if any politician is a "creationist"--as long as it is clear that s/he has absolutely no plan to shoehorn it into a science class.

What a person believes is their own personal business; it's what they do that's important.

And as wrong as wanting to teach creationism in science classes is, there are multiple constitutional safeguards in place that will prevent it ever being taught there. Jeez Looeez, just saying Merry Christmas or having a Christmas Party is being pushed out of the public school realm. I do not think teaching creationism in science classes will ever become a reality.

re: #179 funky chicken

He's a nutty preacher in Arizona (New Mexico?) who harasses border guards. He thinks they're part of the New World Order and they're going to put him in FEMA camps. He's posted videos of him making a scene at border chepoints over the past year or so. He claims that they finally got sick of it and tasered him last week.
Nutty bloggers are spreading the story that he's a victim og Obama's government oppression.

Killgore is correct....Republicans are being played like a cheap banjo.

There is nothing that Obama and his people would like better than for conservatives to turn into a bunch of barking wingnuts, and way too many Republicans are walking straight into the trap.

re: #80 Killgore Trout

If you look into all the conspiracies theories going around these days about the DHS, Fema camps, FBI infiltrating Tea Parties, etc they pretty much all trace back to Paulian/Lew Rockwell/Alex Jones sources. They filter up nuts at Fox News and mainstream conservative bloggers repeat them. Conservatives are being played. You guys are being used by a bunch of nuts.

You're correct. And IIRC all the things mentioned above have analogs on the left.

The MSM will give the left a pass on that can't of nutterism (see Cynthia McKinney) but anything that has a whiff of consveratism that gets associated with such lunacy will ensure that it will be all that is ever broadcast.

re: #199 Dar ul Harbarian

That guy needs to have a sex scandal.

In the new Sacha Baron Cohen film he goes to an interview with Bruno who attempts to seduce him by removing his pants and Ron Paul runs out...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #219 jcm

Ron Paul caught in flagrante delicto with............

Dude, I knew it would be her! GMTA.

That 'kind' of nutterism...
sheesh

Sigh. Where is the Bull Moose party when we need it.

re: #237 LGoPs

And as wrong as wanting to teach creationism in science classes is, there are multiple constitutional safeguards in place that will prevent it ever being taught there. Jeez Looeez, just saying Merry Christmas or having a Christmas Party is being pushed out of the public school realm. I do not think teaching creationism in science classes will ever become a reality.

Hello? Where have you been lately? seen the news from Texas and Louisiana, perhaps on the front page of your local blog?

re: #199 Dar ul Harbarian

That guy needs to have a sex scandal.

Can you imagine anyone, male, female or canine, wanting to fool with him?

re: #219 jcm

Ron Paul caught in flagrante delicto with............

Worst thing to cross my mind since tubgirl. (Warning! Do Not Google!)

re: #231 austin_blue

I will have to disagree. If one believes in Çreationism, what other whack beliefs will they hold? How will this affect their public policy decisions?

It would depend on whether the politician in question was actively engaged in 1. actively helping to promote the Wedge strategy
(whacky)
or
2. trying not to lose votes from either side of a religious question
(pragmatist)

re: #194 axegrinder

I don't think so. Not Ron Paul. I don't believe he has the personal charisma necessary. He ain't no Obama. Although I disagree with almost everything Obama believe in; he comes across as a good guy. Ron Paul comes across a bit...whacky. Even if you don't fully understand his policies. When it comes down to getting the vote from people that don't really pay that much attention(most of the voting public) it comes down to feelings. Sad but true.

Ron Paul has the Dennis Kucinich vibe, but from the right.

re: #226 Red Pencil

Downdinged, for really bad mental picture.

Oh come on, everyone is going to look like that if they live to be 120 years old. She can't help it.

re: #245 Red Pencil

Hello? Where have you been lately? seen the news from Texas and Louisiana, perhaps on the front page of your local blog?

You don't think there would be constitutional challenges from here to kingdom come?

re: #203 Iron Fist

Hear hear!

re: #237 LGoPs

And as wrong as wanting to teach creationism in science classes is, there are multiple constitutional safeguards in place that will prevent it ever being taught there. Jeez Looeez, just saying Merry Christmas or having a Christmas Party is being pushed out of the public school realm. I do not think teaching creationism in science classes will ever become a reality.

Not only that, some schools are not allowing students to wear red and green during the Christmas season.

At my daughter's elementary school they can wear red and green but no mention of Christmas is heard. It's winter break or some such nonsense.

re: #234 Danny

Oh yeah, that's right. Good catch.

I really liked her book as well, it's seminal for this century:

The Future and its Enemies

re: #229 Irish Rose

Oh hells yeah, my new CD came today! I am so plugging this bitch in!

/OT I know, but I just can't restrain myself... I'll STFU now

re: #236 Dar ul Harbarian

Wasn't that Ian Anderson?

You're just going to get a long distance runaround.

re: #233 sleepyone

You are right, as usual, Buzzsawmonkey. I wouldn't care if my representative or even the President worshiped a head of lettuce, as long as those viewpoints did not affect me or my family.

Lettuce not go too far.

re: #244 wee fury

Sigh. Where is the Bull Moose party when we need it.

Try the Modern Whig Party.

Modern Whig Party

And here is the start of tonight's San Gabriel Mountains Sunset (Towercam)

BBL

re: #173 sleepyone

I heard that call and was a bit taken aback by his position since in other areas he's so logical. But in fairness, Levin screams at everyone.

"Get off my phone!"

sleepyone -

Actually, "Dr. Levin" owes more to RUSH, who gave him his first airtime as "F. Lee Levin" - which is NOT to say Mark Levin is without talent. His position in the Reagan Administration at the "tender age" he achieved it is almost without parallel since at least "The New Deal" and more probably since the early days of our Republic. His "Not Dog" books, Men In Black and Liberty & Tyranny are good reads.
Levin does yell a lot at callers, don't know about now, in the early days at WABC 77 AM, I yelled back LOUDER and gained his respect. That is all.

-S-

Posting this from my iPhone so I can't use the reply feature. But I wanted to address Killgore: Just what about the fair/flat tax is so nuts? I heard Steve Forbes and the Manhattan Institute propose the same tax policy. Where do YOU derive your judgments on economics?

To Athos responding to Killgore, yes, conservative and libertarian aren't the same, but neither are libertarian and anarchist. Ron Paul is the latter.