Gawker Gets Its Smear On

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Blogosphere • Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 1:28 pm PDT • Views: 244

And now, right on cue, John Cook at the unethical leftist hate site Gawker.com is taking shots at me: Right-Wing Blogger Goes to War With the Idiots He Created.

Well imagine that! If you organize people around the notion that all Muslims everywhere want to kill white Americans, some kooks show up at the table.

That’s a crazy funhouse mirror version of LGF; I defy John Cook to come up with a single LGF front page post that supports this smear. He can’t, and he knows it. The word for this kind of tactic is “lying.”

Johnson should be commended for taking a stand against neo-Nazis and Glenn Beck. And he should still be condemned for spending the last eight years giving them ammunition and inspiration. If neo-Nazis are into your ideas, Charles, you might want to rethink them.

The stupidity of this remark can’t be overstated — the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. I’ve even received death threats from neo-Nazi cretins on more than one occasion. They have never been “into my ideas,” and they have never been welcomed at LGF, and only a fool who’s made unsupported assumptions about my “ideas” could possibly believe that.

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1 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:29:17pm

If uber right-wing religious Islamofascists are into your ideas, Gawker, you might want to rethink them.

2 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:29:50pm

Never read Gawker. Is it worth looking at?

3 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:29:57pm
the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF.

Charles, you certainly do have all the right enemies. So you must be doing something right.

4 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:30:36pm

Never bother leftists with facts or truth. They've got no idea what to do with it.

5 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:30:45pm

I believe the term I'm looking for to describe mr. cook is "jackass".

6 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:31:15pm

They need to get a little shmear on instead...like some cream cheese and lox on a nice poppy seed bagel.

7 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:31:16pm

re: #2 WriterMom

Never read Gawker. Is it worth looking at?

Hopa!

8 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:31:16pm

What took Gawker so long?

9 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:31:18pm

re: #2 WriterMom

Never read Gawker. Is it worth looking at?

Gonna go out on a limb and say probably not

10 Long Nics are Looonnng  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:31:57pm

re: #2 WriterMom
MOM!

11 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:32:00pm

re: #8 Idle Drifter

What took Gawker so long?


Nothing like reporting on something that already made the rounds.

12 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:32:03pm
13 Long Nics are Looonnng  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:33:07pm

See why I don't look at other blogs? See?

14 mikalm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:33:11pm

(copied from the previous thread, as a response to Charles' first post about this):

Consider the source. For self-loathing, irony-junkie hipsters like the Gawker crew, any defense of Western civilization, America, and/or the Judeo-Christian spiritual heritage = neo-Naziism.

15 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:35:04pm

re: #7 Ben Hur

HOPA!

16 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:35:21pm

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fat Bastard!

17 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:35:45pm

Oh great. Now John Cook is going to tell his mom.

18 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:35:52pm

re: #11 Ben Hur

Nothing like reporting on something that already made the rounds.

They're a little slow with making up their own "facts," perhaps they need lay off the stupid.

19 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #2 WriterMom

Never read Gawker. Is it worth looking at?

Only if you want to be appalled by the mindless freaks who share your species. I just had my first look at the site recently, thanks to one of Charles' "exploding head" threads. God, what a bunch of idiots.

20 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:36:33pm

I have said it before and i will say it again. These morons don't have the brains to blow themselves to hell while standing in a pool of gasoline with a lit match. They are so not worth one second of anyone's time. Unfortunately, good people must take the time to stop them from spreading their hatred and vitriol.

21 MJ  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:37:15pm

When the Left starts to confront the Jew-haters in it's midst, then they might have a moral leg to stand on with their criticism.

22 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:37:39pm

re: #19 Last Mohican

No thanks. I have enough at work and in my extended family.

23 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:37:44pm

Also, if someone were fool enough to post anything here along the lines of what is common coin at GoV or AS, Stinky would be all over them before their keyboard cooled down, resulting in the classic response;

This user is blocked.

But not before they'd been taken to task by the Lizard Legion, whose response is generally faster than the proverbial speeding bullet.

cheers

eon

24 researchok  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:37:50pm

Note to Cook, et al, - Is that the best you've got?

Simply making accusations and assertions does by no means imply those accusations and assertions are credible or of merit. Without substantive arguments and proofs, that kind of thinking is nothing than a reflection of stupidity (and as such, a great argument for school voucher programs).

As my grandfather used to say, 'Stupidity is a commodity given out by God in great abundance'.

25 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #14 mikalm

(copied from the previous thread, as a response to Charles' first post about this):

Consider the source. For self-loathing, irony-junkie hipsters like the Gawker crew, any defense of Western civilization, America, and/or the Judeo-Christian spiritual heritage = neo-Naziism.

They still don't know about Godwin's Law.

26 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:39:01pm

re: #21 MJ

When the Left starts to confront the Jew-haters in it's midst, then they might have a moral leg to stand on with their criticism.

That is only one small part of their stupidity. They have a long row to hoe to get anywhere near morality. I don't ever see it happening.

27 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:40:01pm

re: #14 mikalm

irony-junkie hipsters

The correct term is hipster douchebags.

Carry on.

28 mikalm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:40:24pm

kumrads die because they're told)

kumrads die because they're told)
kumrads die before they're old
(kumrads aren't afraid to die
kumrads don't
and kumrads won't
believe in life)and death knows whie

(all good kumrads you can tell
by their altruistic smell
moscow pipes good kumrads dance)
kumrads enjoy
s.freud knows whoy
the hope that you may mess your pance

every kumrad is a bit
of quite unmitigated hate
(travelling in a futile groove
god knows why)
and so do i
(because they are afraid to love

ee cummings [who I suspect is the #1 influence on our own taxfreekiller]

29 thebigolddog  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:41:43pm
The stupidity of this remark can't be understated -- the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. They have never been "into my ideas," and only a fool who's made unsupported assumptions about my ideas could possibly believe that.

I hope you weren't expecting honesty. The Left and the MSM are going to say whatever they want regardless of reality. It's their game and their rules. This is just another example of it.

30 jimzinsocal  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:41:48pm

Bah. Defend yourself as you see fit Charles...but Grandma Fazzino had a Sicilian expression that sounded like poetry from the old silverhaired woman
of 90: Step over the mud puddles.
Some of the readers here may know similar or be more familiar with the Italian Ive forgotten over the years.

31 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:42:09pm
Johnson should be commended for taking a stand against neo-Nazis and Glenn Beck

... and against jihadists and their supporters and apologists, right?

Total "oopsie!" omission there, right, John?

32 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:42:13pm

re: #27 Occasional Reader

Are these new LGFisms?

33 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:42:23pm

The comments under that smear show a well informed intelligent readership, dedicated to what is true and good...NOT

Come on Gawkeroids, if that is all you have, you are weak, weak, weak. I challenge you losers to actually come over here and read what is going on and not rely on your fearless leader's talking points to base your opinions on.

34 so.cal.swede  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:42:44pm

it's interesting because Mr. Cook obviously sees all that don't agree with his opinion and political affiliations as "right wingers"

since he has put all "others" in the same big group, and now he views the conflict between the groups as an internal fight of the "right wingers".

35 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:43:11pm

re: #28 mikalm

We read an ee cummings poem in high school with a line about:

the boys i mean
are not refined

I remember re-reading it as an adult and seeing quite a different layer of meaning.

36 crimeshark  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:43:42pm

Charles:

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Oscar Wilde

37 dhg4  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:43:56pm

What's so hard to understand? Since 9/11/2001 Charles has supported the Nazi like tactics of Chimpy-McSmirky-Bushitler-burton, therefore Nazis world over like him.

/sarc off

38 Abu Lahab  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:44:36pm

Nazi nuts and those advocating mass murder never needed anyone "to invite them to any table", they have always been there.
Not to mention that Charles did not extend an invitation to any of them. And guess what, Cook? he went further to expose them and attack those who sympathize with their rhetoric.
Here is a comment for Charles I kept as "favorite" because it summarizes everything we are talking about here, I will post it:

I've posted this many times, but apparently it needs to be said again:

If you argue that it's vitally necessary to deport the entire Muslim population of the United States, you are ADVOCATING MASS MURDER.
Yes, I'm shouting.
There is no way in hell that you can uproot millions of people, most of whom have done nothing wrong, and throw them all out of the country, without committing mass violence. People will resist this with all their hearts.
And not just Muslims. No decent American would stand for it.
It's a stupid, empty, meaningless fantasy that will never happen, and when you start ranting about it at my site, you achieve nothing but to drag everyone here into the muck, and make us all look like extremists and fascist assholes.
I won't tolerate it.

This is not only a comment posted on some thread, it's an attitude. And this attitude (and others) are what making this site a favorite target for all nuts.

39 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:44:37pm

re: #32 WriterMom

Are these new LGFisms?

I credit Iowahawk with "hipster douchebag".

40 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:44:46pm
Right-Wing Blogger Goes to War With the Idiots He Created.

I reset that.

I became what he calls an "idiot" without any help from anyone.

41 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:44:48pm
...all Muslims everywhere want to kill white Americans,

.. uh, yeah. Right.

42 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:44:59pm

re: #2 WriterMom

Never read Gawker. Is it worth looking at?

Only if you think the exclamation "ass-fucking!" is deep political commentary.

43 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:45:07pm

Never have, never will touch Gawker.

Hey, meanwhile the Taliban's back, on Obama's watch.
What will leftists say about islamist beheadings and stonings on Obama's watch?

44 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #42 Dianna

Oy to the Vey.

45 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:46:06pm

re: #43 alegrias

Never have, never will touch Gawker.

Hey, meanwhile the Taliban's back, on Obama's watch.
What will leftists say about islamist beheadings and stonings on Obama's watch?

He was only seven years old when... er... or was it three years old... LOOK A PUPPY!

46 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:46:17pm

re: #19 Last Mohican

I just had my first look at [gawker.com] recently, thanks to one of Charles' "exploding head" threads.

Actually I suddenly realized that this isn't true. I've seen gawker.com once before, during the 2008 election. At that time, someone hacked into Sarah Palin's personal email account, and made the password public. Gawker.com posted, as an "exclusive," a bunch of Palin's personal emails, as well as her contact list (including her children's personal email addresses), and personal photos of Palin's kids. I think they also posted Bristol Palin's personal cellphone number, and a video of someone calling it and listening to her outgoing voice mail message. I'm not sure, that video may have been on another site. But the personal emails and family pictures are still up on gawker. You can google for them if you want -- I won't link to them.

The folks on gawker seemed to think that posting personal photos and contact information for a politician's young children was not only perfectly ethical, but was actually a brilliant piece of muckraking, in light of how evil Sarah Palin and all Republicans are. Pretty much 100% of the Obama supporters on digg.com agreed that this was perfectly okay, and they couldn't see any reason why it was wrong. I assume that most of the other pro-Democrat sites felt the same way, but I was too sickened to look any further.

47 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:47:14pm

re: #42 Dianna

Only if you think the exclamation "ass-fucking!" is deep political commentary.

One thing I've noticed is that the left is supposed to be so pro-Gay, etc etc, but are the biggest gay baiters out there. I guess they beleive they "own" it so it's not bigotry.

Latest example is Garafalo who called the Tea Party protestors (Kilgore!) "tea-bagging red-necks."

Gay baiting and bigotry.

48 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:47:33pm

Good news, I just got an email from something called Nokia-email.
They informed me that I was randomly selected to recieve $600,000.
All I have to do is contact Mr. Jack Baur. How coincidental is that, I just watched him on Monday night.

49 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #43 alegrias

What will they say? It's Bush's fault of course.

50 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:47:57pm

I'm just glad Charles doesn't have friends like Billy Ayers or Rashid Khalidi because then Gawker would really have something to talk about. Imagine the dirt they could did up on that. The mind boggles.

51 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:48:09pm

re: #46 Last Mohican

A high moral standard over there at Gawker obviously. Charles should take the fact that they hate him as a complement, not an insult.

52 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:48:10pm

I am totally clueless on this but is that site Gawker.com got exactly the same graphics/blog style as Jezebel.com? I mean they are dead on.

Is there some sort of master blog template that some use?

53 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #38 Abu Lahab

This is not only a comment posted on some thread, it's an attitude. And this attitude (and others) are what making this site a favorite target for all nuts.

That's because reality makes their heads hurt. Unlike their fantasies, just "wishing" does not "make it so".

cheers

eon

54 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:48:35pm

re: #45 Occasional Reader

He was only seven years old when... er... or was it three years old... LOOK A PUPPY!

The least you can do is link a loldog!

55 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:48:38pm

re: #47 Ben Hur

Latest example is Garafalo who called the Tea Party protestors (Kilgore!) "tea-bagging red-necks."

Gay baiting

Enlighten my innocent mind; is "tea-bagging" thought of as an exclusively (or primarily) gay seckshewal practice?

56 hans ze beeman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:48:46pm
And he should still be condemned for spending the last eight years giving them ammunition and inspiration. If neo-Nazis are into your ideas, Charles, you might want to rethink them.

Hitler loved dogs.
Marry loves dogs.
Therefore, Mary is Hitler.

This is profoundly flawed and uninspiring thinking.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:15pm

re: #35 WriterMom

We read an ee cummings poem in high school with a line about:

the boys i mean
are not refined

I remember re-reading it as an adult and seeing quite a different layer of meaning.

My God. You read that one in high school?

the boys i mean are not refined
they go with girls who buck and bite
they do not give a fuck for luck
they hump them thirteen times a night

one hangs a hat upon her tit
one carves a cross on her behind
they do not give a shit for wit
the boys i mean are not refined

they come with girls who bite and buck
who cannot read and cannot write
who laugh like they would fall apart
and masturbate with dynamite

the boys i mean are not refined
they cannot chat of that and this
they do not give a fart for art
they kill like you would take a piss

they speak whatever's on their mind
they do whatever's in their pants
the boys i mean are not refined
they shake the mountains when they dance

My students would love it, but I suspect the administration would hunt me down.

58 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:20pm
Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, jazz musician and Web designer Charles Johnson has devoted his blog, Little Green Footballs, to exposing Muslim extremism in and outside the United States. His targets have included the Council on American-Islamic Relations, filmmaker Michael Moore, Reuters, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Dan Rather, and the late pro-Palestinian activist Rachel Corrie - who some LGF commenters (not Johnson) call "St. Pancake," a tribute to the Israeli steamroller that killed her. LGF helped write the lexicon of the self-styled "anti-Jihadist" blogosphere - from "moonbat" ("an unthinking or insane leftist") to "anti-idiotarian" ("anyone who grasps the significance of and does his or her best to combat the post-9/11 political alliance between the ‘Old Left' and militant Islam").

That's a hell of an impressive resume.

59 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:21pm

re: #47 Ben Hur

SILENCE! To GULAG for you.

It's like all the lefty feminists and their effeminate emasculated "male" friends on the left who send mail to conservative writers suggesting that they need a good lay, or to be raped, beated, etc...VERY ENLIGHTENED!

60 so.cal.swede  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #46 Last Mohican

... here come the brownshirts...

61 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:29pm

re: #45 Occasional Reader

He was only seven years old when... er... or was it three years old... LOOK A PUPPY!

And Dick Cheney is EATING it!

62 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:34pm

re: #43 alegrias

Never have, never will touch Gawker.

Hey, meanwhile the Taliban's back, on Obama's watch.
What will leftists say about islamist beheadings and stonings on Obama's watch?

When will our MSM notice what the rest of the world has been saying?

"Somali Piracy didn't start against with the one American captain...whyy now the big fuss?"

Any reason all the other people held before AND AFTER the American captain have been ignored by the American MSM?

63 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #48 opnion

Good news, I just got an email from something called Nokia-email.
They informed me that I was randomly selected to recieve $600,000.
All I have to do is contact Mr. Jack Baur. How coincidental is that, I just watched him on Monday night.

When I get those e-mails, I have a bit of fun with them, string them along for a bit, then tell them I have forwarded their request and information to the US FBI and Secret Service!

64 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:48pm

re: #47 Ben Hur

One thing I've noticed is that the left is supposed to be so pro-Gay, etc etc, but are the biggest gay baiters out there. I guess they beleive they "own" it so it's not bigotry.

Latest example is Garafalo who called the Tea Party protestors (Kilgore!) "tea-bagging red-necks."

Gay baiting and bigotry.

Clearly, you're not sufficiently impressed with Janean's small limbic brain ;~)

65 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:49:53pm

re: #46 Last Mohican

Outing conservative's children isn't wrong...

It's Erf Day, children are evil carbon spewing resource gobbling planet destroyers!

Save the planet for the the children!

///

66 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:01pm

re: #56 hans ze beeman

Marry loves dogs.

Dogs are only allowed to marry in Sweden, Canada, and the state of Vermont.

67 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:14pm

re: #50 HelloDare

I'm just glad Charles doesn't have friends like Billy Ayers or Rashid Khalidi because then Gawker would really have something to talk about. Imagine the dirt they could did up on that. The mind boggles.

heh ... that little twist is exquisite!

68 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:25pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

It was in a collection, we didn't read it in class, but it was available in the anthology. Discussed informally.

69 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:50pm

re: #51 Desert Dog

A high moral standard over there at Gawker obviously. Charles should take the fact that they hate him as a complement, not an insult.

"Compliment" means "praise."

"Complement" means either "complete" or "complete group."

Please, just as a favor to me, make a note of it!

70 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:55pm

re: #55 Occasional Reader

Enlighten my innocent mind; is "tea-bagging" thought of as an exclusively (or primarily) gay seckshewal practice?


The way she meant it.

Because otherwise, a liberated feminist like herself, would be promoting it, and putting away the double ender.

71 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #55 Occasional Reader

Enlighten my innocent mind; is "tea-bagging" thought of as an exclusively (or primarily) gay seckshewal practice?

Any couple that has one scrotum between them could teabag

72 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:50:58pm

re: #66 Occasional Reader

Dogs are only allowed to marry in Sweden, Canada, and the state of Vermont.

Or Peres Hilton's swinging bachelorette pad

73 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:51:08pm

re: #52 Big Steve

I am totally clueless on this but is that site Gawker.com got exactly the same graphics/blog style as Jezebel.com? I mean they are dead on.

Is there some sort of master blog template that some use?

Well, I haven't looked at either site, but to answer your question, yes. You can purchase blog software and you have it installed on a server, and you "plug" in your customized stuff, like logos and threads and graphics.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:51:16pm

re: #55 Occasional Reader

Enlighten my innocent mind; is "tea-bagging" thought of as an exclusively (or primarily) gay seckshewal practice?

Apparently, since several people have insisted that using the term to mock the tea parties is homophobic. Can't see why. A straight couple can do it as easily as a gay male one, and lesbians can't do it at all.

75 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:51:54pm

re: #52 Big Steve

I am totally clueless on this but is that site Gawker.com got exactly the same graphics/blog style as Jezebel.com? I mean they are dead on.

Is there some sort of master blog template that some use?


Yes.
Wordpress is popular for bloggers. Here's the theme page
Drupal is also popular -- theme page.

76 hans ze beeman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:51:56pm

re: #66 Occasional Reader

Yes, but they can obtain a driver's licence in Egypt

77 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:02pm

re: #47 Ben Hur

One thing I've noticed is that the left is supposed to be so pro-Gay, etc etc, but are the biggest gay baiters out there. I guess they beleive they "own" it so it's not bigotry.

Latest example is Garafalo who called the Tea Party protestors (Kilgore!) "tea-bagging red-necks."

Gay baiting and bigotry.

What a skank that woman is. I wouldn't bang her with Ahmadinejad's crank.

78 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently, since several people have insisted that using the term to mock the tea parties is homophobic. Can't see why. A straight couple can do it as easily as a gay male one, and lesbians can't do it at all.

DISCRIMINATION!

/

79 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:14pm

re: #63 CapeCoddah

When I get those e-mails, I have a bit of fun with them, string them along for a bit, then tell them I have forwarded their request and information to the US FBI and Secret Service!

Do they ever actually reveal anything about themselves?

80 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:23pm

Tea bags! Gay marriage! Lefty crazy! Sexually explicit poetry!

I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

81 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:34pm

re: #58 Opinionated

who some LGF commenters (not Johnson) call "St. Pancake," a tribute to the Israeli steamroller that killed her while she volunteered to be a human shield for Islamic terrorists.

82 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:36pm

re: #61 OldLineTexan

And Dick Cheney is EATING it!

AFTER he kicked it repeatedly.

83 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:38pm

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

What a skank that woman is. I wouldn't bang her with Ahmadinejad's crank.

Which reminds me - what have you done with it?

84 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:44pm

re: #49 WriterMom

What will they say? It's Bush's fault of course.

* * * *
It's so reflexive, like the Clinton's song, "Don't stop thinking about the Bush Administration!"

Fox's Neil Cavuto just minutes ago reported Hillary Clinton did some gratuitous Cheney-bashing while testifying on Capitol Hill today.

Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California told Clinton to back off!

Even as Secretary of State, they just can't rise above their gutter democrat tactics. "Forward looking, bi partisan" my ass.

85 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:56pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

Well, I haven't looked at either site, but to answer your question, yes. You can purchase blog software and you have it installed on a server, and you "plug" in your customized stuff, like logos and threads and graphics.

thanks

86 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:52:57pm

re: #65 jcm

Outing conservative's children isn't wrong...

It's Erf Day, children are evil carbon spewing resource gobbling planet destroyers!

Save the planet for the the children!

///

Hey! They stole that from my resume!

87 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:53:26pm

re: #61 OldLineTexan

And Dick Cheney is EATING it!

Hey, OLT - I answered a question, end of previous thread

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:53:28pm

re: #68 WriterMom

It was in a collection, we didn't read it in class, but it was available in the anthology. Discussed informally.

I'm impressed. It's actually a great poem for teens, but as Monty Python explains, "It's just that the BLEEPing words are awfully strong".

89 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:53:28pm

Gawker attacked me a couple of years ago for stating in my blog that increasing numbers of Europeans, and the Dutch in particular, are emigrating to the U.S. because of the negative changes in political situation in their home countries.

A day later a major article in the N.Y. Sun completely vindicated me, and discredited Gawker. Welcome to the "You've Been Slimed by Gawker!" club, Charles!

90 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:53:31pm

re: #76 hans ze beeman

Yes, but they can obtain a driver's licence in Egypt

You know who else had a driver's license?

HITLER.

Therefore dogs = Hitler!


(actually, I have no idea if Hitler had a driver's license, come to think of it)

91 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:53:41pm

re: #83 OldLineTexan

Put it in your chai, of course.

92 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:53:56pm

re: #83 OldLineTexan

Which reminds me - what have you done with it?

It's in Al Gore's lockbox.

/

93 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:01pm

Did somebody issue a memo that Charles is the current target?

94 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:19pm

I don't think I can say this enough, Nazis, or rather National Socialists, are far closer ideologically to the left than the right.

95 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:21pm

re: #82 CapeCoddah

AFTER he kicked it repeatedly.

That Dick. He kills everything he eats. Yesterday he strained some peas, and gouged the eyes out of a whole sack of potatoes.

96 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:24pm

re: #80 WriterMom

Tea bags! Gay marriage! Lefty crazy! Sexually explicit poetry!

I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

The Castro District?

97 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:36pm

re: #84 alegrias

* * * *
It's so reflexive, like the Clinton's song, "Don't stop thinking about the Bush Administration!"

Fox's Neil Cavuto just minutes ago reported Hillary Clinton did some gratuitous Cheney-bashing while testifying on Capitol Hill today.

Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California told Clinton to back off!

Even as Secretary of State, they just can't rise above their gutter democrat tactics. "Forward looking, bi partisan" my ass.

What gets me about Hillary's dodge is that she and the rest of the Democrats were accusing Cheney of knowing everything there was to know about a year ago.

Now he's too clueless to be credible.

98 Long Nics are Looonnng  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:39pm

Well, it's been a small slice of heaven, but I have to go to work.

See y'all later.

99 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:47pm

I hereby christen the festering blog "GAKKER".

100 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:54:48pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The flotsam and jetsam parade?

101 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #91 WriterMom

Put it in your chai, of course.

Ew, I thought it had a tiny bit of wang to it.

102 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:25pm

re: #93 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Did somebody issue a memo that Charles is the current target?


Charles is the currently over the target.

103 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:30pm

re: #79 opnion

Do they ever actually reveal anything about themselves?

Nah, I just mess with them.

104 so.cal.swede  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:35pm

in other news...

The high school near my work celebrated erf day by giving out balloons to all the kids.

I found it deliciously ironic that the street between the school and the local strip mall is littered with balloon carcasses... all in honor of movver erf.

105 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

LOL.

Tiny Persian Wang Chai.

106 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, it's been a small slice of heaven, but I have to go to work.

See y'all later.

SELL! SELL! DRIVE DAT ECONOMY LAHK A RENTED CAR!

/

107 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:52pm
108 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:54pm

re: #78 OldLineTexan

DISCRIMINATION!

/

An amazing number of lesbians I know have been called 'sodomites' by people who disapproved. One of them once turned to a man, quietly explained to him the legal definition of 'sodomy', and explained, kindly, that she couldn't do that.

Wallked away while he was still spluttering.

109 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:54pm

Dear Mr. Cook

I would relish the opportunity to sit with you and have an open exchange of ideas. To make sure it's fair to you I'll only bring one

Regards

SATTV4U2

110 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:55:55pm

re: #93 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Did somebody issue a memo that Charles is the current target?

It is the vast right-wing conspiracy blog

111 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:00pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Castro District?

We're willing to talk to them. Everything is on the table, from drugs to human rights. Hey, pass the drugs, wouldya?

112 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:10pm

Ahhh...the good ol' days.

REmember the craziness about the image in Dick's sunglasses?

That was news.

Nothing today compares to that.

113 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:15pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

You know who else had a driver's license?

HITLER.

Therefore dogs = Hitler!

(actually, I have no idea if Hitler had a driver's license, come to think of it)

No, he didn't.

cheers

eon

114 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:20pm

re: #104 so.cal.swede

Happy Earth Day! Please, humans-KILL YOURSELVES. Thanks!

115 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:24pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean that's not required reading in San Fran schools? :)

116 jorline  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:28pm
Johnson should be commended for taking a stand against neo-Nazis and Glenn Beck. And he should still be condemned for spending the last eight years giving them ammunition and inspiration. If neo-Nazis are into your ideas, Charles, you might want to rethink them.

Like me, I'll bet neo-Nazis eat carrots...I'm sticking to broccoli from now on.
//

What a nimrod!

117 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #105 WriterMom

LOL.

Tiny Persian Wang Chai.

Now it sounds cute. You could sell that, I have no doubt, in a lacy little tea room full of old ladies.

118 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:07pm

re: #107 buzzsawmonkey

That's no mere puppy, that's a Portuguese Water Dog.

Don't think you can cao me with your references to Portugese dogs.

119 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:21pm

re: #104 so.cal.swede

in other news...

The high school near my work celebrated erf day by giving out balloons to all the kids.

I found it deliciously ironic that the street between the school and the local strip mall is littered with balloon carcasses... all in honor of movver erf.

MY GOD! THEY DISTRIBUTED CO2 BOMBS TO CHILDREN!

120 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:24pm

re: #116 jorline

Like me, I'll bet neo-Nazis eat carrots...I'm sticking to broccoli from now on.
//

What a nimrod!

It's an oddly popular way to think, lately.

121 hans ze beeman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:24pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

Don't think Hitler had one, his dog might have driven him around though

122 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:51pm

re: #114 WriterMom

Only mass suicide will satisfy the blood lust of the Goddess! ;-)

123 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:53pm

re: #65 jcm

Outing conservative's children isn't wrong...

It's Erf Day, children are evil carbon spewing resource gobbling planet destroyers!

Save the planet for the the children!

///

Hey, I let the truck idle in the driveway this morning, and it wasn't even cold. I should celebrate Earth Day by going home and mowing the yard with my gasoline-powered lawn mower. Yeah.

124 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:57:56pm

re: #107 buzzsawmonkey

That's no mere puppy, that's a Portuguese Water Dog.

are those the things that sting you and you have to pee on them.

125 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #104 so.cal.swede

in other news...

The high school near my work celebrated erf day by giving out balloons to all the kids.

I found it deliciously ironic that the street between the school and the local strip mall is littered with balloon carcasses... all in honor of movver erf.

Excellent.

I suppose the rationale is that, if about half of the kids actually blew up the balloons, then all of their exhaled CO2 was thereby sequestered, instead of being released into the atmosphere and causing global warming.

126 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently, since several people have insisted that using the term to mock the tea parties is homophobic. Can't see why. A straight couple can do it as easily as a gay male one, and lesbians can't do it at all.

Maybe they could if one had a pair of truck nutz.

127 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:15pm

re: #113 eon

No, he didn't.

Ha! Stupid Hitler! Can't even drive!

128 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:31pm

re: #116 jorline

Like me, I'll bet neo-Nazis eat carrots...I'm sticking to broccoli from now on.
//

What a nimrod!

But strangely, Nazis wanted to wipe out the Jews, Islamofascists want to wipe out the Jews, therefore, Jews are Nazis.

129 so.cal.swede  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:32pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MY GOD! THEY DISTRIBUTED CO2 BOMBS TO CHILDREN!

HAHAHAHAA!

130 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:35pm
131 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:58:42pm

re: #123 Ward Cleaver

I like to throw garbage in the garbage can instead of the recycle box sometimes just to watch the lefties at work go nuts.

132 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #58 Opinionated

That's a hell of an impressive resume.

Pretty thorough if you ask me.

133 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:03pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Thanks!

134 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #112 Ben Hur

Ahhh...the good ol' days.

REmember the craziness about the image in Dick's sunglasses?

Remind me... what was it supposed to be again?

135 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #128 Ben Hur

DUH!

136 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:14pm

re: #123 Ward Cleaver

Hey, I let the truck idle in the driveway this morning, and it wasn't even cold. I should celebrate Earth Day by going home and mowing the yard with my gasoline-powered lawn mower. Yeah.

I think I'll soak an effigy of Ira Einhorn in toxic oil and burn it...

137 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:24pm

re: #134 Occasional Reader

DON'T GET HIM STARTED.

138 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:33pm

re: #131 WriterMom

I like to throw garbage in the garbage can instead of the recycle box sometimes just to watch the lefties at work go nuts.

LOL!

139 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:39pm

re: #89 quickjustice

Gawker attacked me a couple of years ago for stating in my blog that increasing numbers of Europeans, and the Dutch in particular, are emigrating to the U.S. because of the negative changes in political situation in their home countries.

A day later a major article in the N.Y. Sun completely vindicated me, and discredited Gawker. Welcome to the "You've Been Slimed by Gawker!" club, Charles!

* * * *
One great Dutchborn America is Republican Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan who will run for Michigan Governor.
He is strong on defense of US and is on the House Select Intelligence committee.
Ironically Hoekstra has a district office in Holland, Michigan!

140 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:42pm

re: #84 alegrias

* * * *
It's so reflexive, like the Clinton's song, "Don't stop thinking about the Bush Administration!"

Fox's Neil Cavuto just minutes ago reported Hillary Clinton did some gratuitous Cheney-bashing while testifying on Capitol Hill today.

Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher of California told Clinton to back off!

Even as Secretary of State, they just can't rise above their gutter democrat tactics. "Forward looking, bi partisan" my ass.

I'm paraphrasing here, the Congressman asked if the Administration would be willing to grant Cheney's request & release the documents that attest to success in getting info during enhanced interrogations.
Hilary said "... I don't not consider Cheney a good source."
He responded to the effect, "I did not ask your opnion of Dick Cheney. I do not care what you think of Dick Cheney, I asked you a question."

141 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:52pm

re: #93 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Did somebody issue a memo that Charles is the current target?

Left wing talking points. These folks have no idea how to think critically for themselves. They need a daily list faxed to them.

142 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 1:59:53pm

re: #138 Ward Cleaver

ESPECIALLY cans.

143 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:00:12pm

re: #134 Occasional Reader

Remind me... what was it supposed to be again?

The reflection looked like a naked woman.

In reality he was experimenting on twins.

144 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, ick!

145 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:00:32pm

re: #107 buzzsawmonkey

That's no mere puppy, that's a Portuguese Water Dog.

They are not even born as puppies.

146 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:00:47pm

re: #95 OldLineTexan

That Dick. He kills everything he eats. Yesterday he strained some peas, and gouged the eyes out of a whole sack of potatoes.

LOL. Good stuff!

147 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:00:49pm

OMGooodness. My head is spinning. And I have to get on the stinky smelly subway now with MEGA jet lag. WAAA.

See y'all tomorrow.

148 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:00:52pm

Hmmm, citrus flavored chewing gum and Dr Pepper do not go together very well.

149 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:14pm

re: #130 buzzsawmonkey

Swing balls

If you swing, it's not a ball, it's a strike.

150 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:29pm

re: #127 Occasional Reader

Ha! Stupid Hitler! Can't even drive!

These people are under the impression that Hitler did drive, but did not have a license, even though Germany was the first country to require driver's licenses, starting in 1910.

On the internet, you can find someone who has an opinion about anything.

151 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:39pm
152 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:41pm

re: #103 CapeCoddah

Nah, I just mess with them.

Makes it a little interesting, huh?

153 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:43pm

re: #94 Rancher

I don't think I can say this enough, Nazis, or rather National Socialists, are far closer ideologically to the left than the right.

Nope. Communists and Fascists are both on the collectivist extreme of the individualist-collectivist spectrum (anarchists being on the individualist extreme), but Communists are left-human-universalist internationalist collectivists, while Fascists are right-tribalist ethnocentic racist nationalist collectivists.

154 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:54pm

re: #147 WriterMom

OMGooodness. My head is spinning. And I have to get on the stinky smelly subway now with MEGA jet lag. WAAA.

See y'all tomorrow.

Canada has stinky, smelly subways? I thought Canada was all clean n' stuff?

155 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:54pm

I sense where this thread is HEADING and I'm leaving.

You all have a ball!

156 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:01:57pm

re: #95 OldLineTexan

That Dick. He kills everything he eats. Yesterday he strained some peas, and gouged the eyes out of a whole sack of potatoes.

He poached his eggs for breakfast too!

157 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #150 Last Mohican

These people are under the impression that Hitler did drive, but did not have a license, even though Germany was the first country to require driver's licenses, starting in 1910.

On the internet, you can find someone who has an opinion about anything.

And find those who would look it up.

158 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:02:15pm

re: #114 WriterMom

Happy Earth Day! Please, humans-KILL YOURSELVES. Thanks!

I'm celebrating Earth Day by eating sour kraut, red onions, pickled eggs, cheese, baked beans and sausage with big helpings of beer. Oh the Jedi are going to feel this one!
Warning crude fart joke!

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:02:32pm

re: #95 OldLineTexan

That Dick. He kills everything he eats. Yesterday he strained some peas, and gouged the eyes out of a whole sack of potatoes.

Shot a head of cabbage in the face.

(Best joke I ever heard about Sarah Palin involved her pulling Putin aside at a tense conference, batting her eyes, and murmuring, "I'm a much better shot than Cheney."

160 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:02:52pm

re: #150 Last Mohican

These people are under the impression that Hitler did drive, but did not have a license, even though Germany was the first country to require driver's licenses, starting in 1910.

On the internet, you can find someone who has an opinion about anything.

The real question: Could he parallel park?


(I love parallel parking. It's one of the few things involving machinery that us city boys can do better than those country boys.)

161 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:03:00pm

Hell hath no fury like the leader hating his own country.

162 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:03:15pm

re: #104 so.cal.swede

in other news...

The high school near my work celebrated erf day by giving out balloons to all the kids.

I found it deliciously ironic that the street between the school and the local strip mall is littered with balloon carcasses... all in honor of movver erf.

Are you sure it wasn't a Disco Biscuits concert?

163 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #154 Occasional Reader

Well, actually the subway cars are clean, but the people are stinky and smelly sometimes. IT'S CANADA WE HAVE LOTS OF WATER AND SOAP USE IT...honestly it's like midnight for me now and I barely slept on my flight. I can barely talk.

164 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:03:46pm

re: #163 WriterMom

Well, actually the subway cars are clean, but the people are stinky and smelly sometimes. IT'S CANADA WE HAVE LOTS OF WATER AND SOAP USE IT...honestly it's like midnight for me now and I barely slept on my flight. I can barely talk.

GO!

165 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

What is the big deal about parallel parking? It's the easiest, silliest thing. Why do women especially-struggle with it.

166 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:04:14pm

BYE BYE SHALOM

167 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:04:34pm

re: #123 Ward Cleaver

Hey, I let the truck idle in the driveway this morning, and it wasn't even cold. I should celebrate Earth Day by going home and mowing the yard with my gasoline-powered lawn mower. Yeah.

Don't forget to cut down a tree with a gas powered chainsaw!

168 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:04:36pm

re: #163 WriterMom

and I barely slept on my flight

Because you wanted to get your fill of Daniel Craig. Nobody's fault but your own.

169 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #157 Ben Hur

And find those who would look it up.

Did you know that the chariot racing scene from the movie Ben Hur was filmed on the largest movie set ever built, required over 8000 extras, and took more than five weeks to film?

170 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:05:17pm

re: #165 WriterMom

What is the big deal about parallel parking? It's the easiest, silliest thing. Why do women especially-struggle with it.

Everyone is told how hard it is. The conception rules over the reality.

171 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:05:58pm

re: #168 Occasional Reader

Because you wanted to get your fill of Daniel Craig. Nobody's fault but your own.

When I was drinking, I never wanted to sleep on international flights, too busy taking advantage of as much booze as they would serve me.

172 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:06:06pm

OT: Obama actually got something else right:

Getting It Right
Trade: Hugo Chavez may have gotten a grinning handshake from President Obama in Trinidad. But it was our authentic friend and ally, Colombia, that got substance. The president got one right.
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

[Link: www.ibdeditorial.com...]

There was quite a media din over the president's greeting of Venezuela's strongman at the Summit of the Americas in Port of Spain over the weekend. Sure, it was a first. But along with bones he threw to Cuba, it crowded out weightier news.

Obama may have shaken hands, accepted an idiotic book and politely listened to diatribes from regional troublemakers. But for our ally Colombia, he wasn't just gesturing. He was delivering results.

It started Saturday, when he put himself next to Colombian President Alvaro Uribe at lunch and then studiously exchanged notes.

Having listened to Uribe, (and that must have been a nice dose of sanity after enduring 50 minutes of ravings from Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega, or weird conspiracy theories by Bolivia's Evo Morales), Obama then seemed to realize that the long-stalled Colombia free trade agreement should have been passed yesterday.

The president announced that his team must find a way to pass the agreement. With world trade down 80%, the pact opens new markets to the U.S. He demanded immediate action, asking Colombia's trade minister to fly to Washington this week.

Then it got even better: Obama invited Uribe to the White House and promised to visit Colombia himself, allowing the Colombians to lay out for him their vast economic and social progress, and their desire to integrate into global trade.

In a final flourish, Obama scribbled his autograph onto President Uribe's notes, writing: "To President Uribe, with admiration! Barack H. Obama." A smiling Uribe showed it to reporters. Given Uribe's discretion, it's likely that Obama asked him to do that.

The media made much of Obama's polite gestures to dictators, but he gave them nothing resembling what he gave to Uribe. Name one dictator Obama sat with for lunch. Which troublemaker got a White House invitation? Which tinhorn got a promise to visit?

And has anyone heard of Obama giving his autograph — "with admiration!" — to another president? It was as if Obama himself unclenched his own fist to reach out to the Colombian hand.

Obama may have had political reasons to seek out Colombia — the Chavez-Obama pictures didn't do him any good domestically, and Drudge Report ran pictures of them all weekend, infuriating White House officials.

But the outlook for free trade has been improving for several weeks, too. On a visit to Medellin last month, Uribe gave us a veiled signal of positive moves on trade under the surface, and U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk has since made encouraging statements.

Two congressional delegations of pro-trade Democrats turned up in Colombia this month, back-slapping with the Colombians. But nothing approaches the good news seen now.

At a press conference Monday, Kirk was upbeat: "When you've got two willing partners, it's a pretty good recipe for getting things done." That beats handshakes. The Obama team is showing a welcome shift to substance over style, and that deserves notice.

173 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:06:08pm

re: #131 WriterMom

I like to throw garbage in the garbage can instead of the recycle box sometimes just to watch the lefties at work go nuts.

I leave the water running when I brush my teeth.

174 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #169 Last Mohican

That is one of the best scenes in movie history!

175 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:06:26pm

Happy Dirt Day, all.

I haven't seen the video clip of the "gay-marriage" pageant contestant, but I read an article on it on Drudge. How is what she said any different from Obama's position? I distinctly remember him saying something similar in the last debate with JM.
A quick Google found this...

"Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Would that jackass blogger "Perez Hilton" berate the Dear Leader?

176 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:06:31pm

re: #140 opnion

I'm paraphrasing here, the Congressman asked if the Administration would be willing to grant Cheney's request & release the documents that attest to success in getting info during enhanced interrogations.
Hilary said "... I don't not consider Cheney a good source."
He responded to the effect, "I did not ask your opnion of Dick Cheney. I do not care what you think of Dick Cheney, I asked you a question."

* * *
Thank you for paraphrasing Rohrabacher's retort to that Hillary crack. He's got guts.

177 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #152 opnion

Makes it a little interesting, huh?

Well, after I am sick of playing, it is a sure fire way to make sure they do not bug you anymore!

178 grahamski  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:07:25pm

One word comes to mind when I think of John Cook...Assclown, and yes,
thats one word.

179 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:07:48pm

re: #172 Salamantis

As I mentioned when someone linked to this earlier today; I'll hold the congratulations until the deal is actually signed. Obama has something of a history of saying whatever the people standing in front of him at any given moment want to hear.

180 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:08:10pm

re: #167 CapeCoddah

Don't forget to cut down a tree with a gas powered chainsaw!

Or run my two-cycle trimmer.

181 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:08:27pm

re: #174 Idle Drifter

That is one of the best scenes in movie history!

Before my time, I'm still partial to this one

182 jorline  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:08:41pm

re: #120 OldLineTexan

It's an oddly popular way to think, lately.

Ideas...a terrible thing to waste.

I'm glad Stephen Hawking is going to be ok.
Using John Cook's logic, imagine what would be said if some of the neo-Nazis benefited from or agreed with some of Professor Hawking's ideas.

183 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #169 Last Mohican

Did you know that the chariot racing scene from the movie Ben Hur was filmed on the largest movie set ever built, required over 8000 extras, and took more than five weeks to film?

The set was the largest built until that time, 1959.

184 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #140 opnion

I'm paraphrasing here, the Congressman asked if the Administration would be willing to grant Cheney's request & release the documents that attest to success in getting info during enhanced interrogations.
Hilary said "... I don't not consider Cheney a good source."
He responded to the effect, "I did not ask your opnion of Dick Cheney. I do not care what you think of Dick Cheney, I asked you a question."

Did she have any response?

185 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Before my time, I'm still partial to this one

The embedding was disabled.

186 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:09:50pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

The real question: Could he parallel park?

(I love parallel parking. It's one of the few things involving machinery that us city boys can do better than those country boys.)

The best parallel parker I ever met was my grandmother.

Given my rotten depth perception, I tend to avoid it.

187 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:04pm

Well, Charles, what does that make us? ...

Stuck in the Middle With You ... not a bad place to be ... imo ...

188 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:15pm
189 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:20pm
The stupidity of this remark can’t be understated — the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. I’ve even received death threats from neo-Nazi cretins on more than one occasion. They have never been “into my ideas,” and they have never been welcomed at LGF, and only a fool who’s made unsupported assumptions about my “ideas” could possibly believe that.

I think the unfortunate thing about this is that if he had looked at who the nazis at stormfront support, he'd be reporting on VB and their apologists like geller. That would be worthy criticism, but instead Cook misses the mark. If a lefty really wants to take a shot at the neo-nazis, they should get their targets straight.

190 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:23pm

re: #169 Last Mohican

Did you know that the chariot racing scene from the movie Ben Hur was filmed on the largest movie set ever built, required over 8000 extras, and took more than five weeks to film?

I heard they had 800,000 extras at Obama's Inauguration.

191 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #170 jcm

Everyone is told how hard it is. The conception rules over the reality.

That can be taken [out of context] more ways than one.

192 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

When I was drinking, I never wanted to sleep on international flights, too busy taking advantage of as much booze as they would serve me.

I sleep poorly or not at all on planes... just can't quite get comfortable. Only exception is if I'm in a Business or First Class with a flat bed; and even then, at best it's so-so sleep.

193 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:41pm

re: #173 CapeCoddah

I leave the water running when I brush my teeth.

sinful
no cookies for you

194 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

The set was the largest built until that time, 1959.

Heston said that the horses almost pulled his arms out of their sockets. Ouch!

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:11:20pm

re: #115 Mad Al-Jaffee

You mean that's not required reading in San Fran schools? :)

No, we keep the kids on a strict diet of Fanon, Angela Davis, and Gloria Anzaldua. cummings is only allowed in the sex-positive magnet school.

/

196 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:11:22pm

re: #188 Ben Hur

Pope accepts keffiyah as gift from Palestinian worshippers

Maybe he can burn it to celebrate Earth Day,

197 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:11:24pm

re: #186 Dianna

Given my rotten depth perception

How can you have "rotten depth perception" but drill bullseyes with Mr. Kimber?!

198 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:11:30pm

Gawker is, as far as I can tell, as cesspool of immense dimensions. Usually they seem to be involved in little more than smears and reporting that would make the National Enquirer blush.

199 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:11:47pm

re: #165 WriterMom

What is the big deal about parallel parking? It's the easiest, silliest thing. Why do women especially-struggle with it.

Because they try to go in nose first. They don't get the simple idea that the rear wheels spin, but do not turn.

200 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #190 KenJen

I heard they had 800,000 extras at Obama's Inauguration.

Drones.

201 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:12:18pm

re: #169 Last Mohican

And it was completely authentic. They paid attention every detail, including the little carved dolphins that were used in the Roman Coliseum to count laps.

202 brookly red  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:12:36pm

re: #176 alegrias

* * *
Thank you for paraphrasing Rohrabacher's retort to that Hillary crack. He's got guts.

the full quote was frikin georgous... I wish I could find it in print.

203 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:13:04pm

re: #176 alegrias

* * *
Thank you for paraphrasing Rohrabacher's retort to that Hillary crack. He's got guts.

My pleasure, I wish that I could have quoted exactly. Catch the clip if you can, he smacked her down pretty good. Here is a surprise, Hillary never did answer the question.

204 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:13:28pm

69 years ago today, the Bataan Death march happened in the Philippines. Those men suffered real torture, in Axis medical experiments, says Oliver North on Fox News. SEAL training was "torture" for him in 1965, says Oliver North--because it was part of training in surviving and resisting torture & capture.

Obama/Holder's decision will be costly to the US.

205 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:13:40pm

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

Heston said that the horses almost pulled his arms out of their sockets. Ouch!

How can that be, since Joe Canutt doubled for Heston in the races?

206 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:13:47pm

re: #188 Ben Hur

Pope accepts keffiyah as gift from Palestinian worshippers

Jesus wept.

Really.

What the hell was he thinking?

207 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:13:55pm
208 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:14:02pm

re: #197 Occasional Reader

How can you have "rotten depth perception" but drill bullseyes with Mr. Kimber?!

Depends on the range, doesn't it?

Up to a point, + or - an inch on a .45 slug just doesn't matter. ;)

209 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:14:04pm

re: #197 Occasional Reader

How can you have "rotten depth perception" but drill bullseyes with Mr. Kimber?!

I have no idea. I have no idea why I'm a very good shot. I shouldn't be; my vision is just awful, and one eye is so much worse than the other that I have dreadful depth perception.

But you should see me shoot. It's enlightening.

210 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:14:21pm

re: #193 albusteve

sinful
no cookies for you

Drat!

211 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:14:26pm

re: #184 SixDegrees

Did she have any response?

In a later interview, the Congressman said that Hillary never answered the question.

212 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:14:41pm

re: #204 alegrias

SEAL SERE training was "torture" for him in 1965, says Oliver North--because it was part of training in surviving and resisting torture & capture.

(I'm guessing here)

213 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:00pm

re: #52 Big Steve

I am totally clueless on this but is that site Gawker.com got exactly the same graphics/blog style as Jezebel.com? I mean they are dead on.

Is there some sort of master blog template that some use?

Same corporate ownership. They also operate Consumerist, Jalopnik, IO9, and a few others.

214 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #188 Ben Hur

Pope accepts keffiyah as gift from Palestinian worshippers

Something's not right with this Pope.

215 Kragar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:05pm

re: #185 Idle Drifter

Just click it few times, it'll open in a new window

216 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #188 Ben Hur

Pope accepts keffiyah as gift from Palestinian worshippers

* * *
Any Catholics here, please contact your church about this today.

217 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:13pm

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Jesus wept.

Really.

What the hell was he thinking?


Maybe he thinks Hamas and Fatah will stop killing Christians and ethnically cleansing them from land they were on 1000 years before Mo?

218 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:36pm

re: #209 Dianna

I have no idea. I have no idea why I'm a very good shot. I shouldn't be; my vision is just awful, and one eye is so much worse than the other that I have dreadful depth perception.

But you should see me shoot. It's enlightening.

Your brain has developed a "work-around" for the depth perception problem.

219 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #208 OldLineTexan

Depends on the range, doesn't it?

Up to a point, + or - an inch on a .45 slug just doesn't matter. ;)

At 25 yards, I can cover my group with my clenched fist.

220 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:15:59pm

re: #219 Dianna

At 25 yards, I can cover my group with my clenched fist.

Obama will want you to change that.

/

221 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:16:27pm

An attempt by Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal to make an unprecedented video link address to British lawmakers failed Wednesday following a technical glitch.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"Technical Glitch"? Hum any Gremlins around?

222 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #177 CapeCoddah

Well, after I am sick of playing, it is a sure fire way to make sure they do not bug you anymore!

If I am really bored when I get a solicitation call at home, I ask the caller for a loan. I generally get a click.

223 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Jesus wept.

Really.

What the hell was he thinking?

Well we all need rags when the toilet overflows?

224 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #204 alegrias

One of my law professors was an ex-Marine and Bataan Death March survivor. The Japanese broke a couple of dozens bones in his body with their rifle butts. You could see it in the way he limped. If a Marine couldn't get up after being beaten, they shot him. That was after many hours in the broiling sun without food or water.

225 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:17:11pm

re: #220 OldLineTexan

Obama will want you to change that.

/

Clearly, I need to work on my breathing, so my groups are even tighter.

Thanks, Mr. President!

226 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:17:39pm

re: #219 Dianna

At 25 yards, I can cover my group with my clenched fist.

Obama will offer you an outstretched hand if you unclench your fist.

Now... that's yards, not feet? And we're not talking from a bench rest here? Because fist-sized groups from 75 feet with a handgun (that's probably the back wall of my range)... that's quite remarkable.

227 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #225 Dianna

Clearly, I need to work on my breathing, so my groups are even tighter.

Thanks, Mr. President!

Unclench your fist.

/Barack

228 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #222 opnion

If I am really bored when I get a solicitation call at home, I ask the caller for a loan. I generally get a click.

LOL, I ask them for their home phone number and what time they eat dinner. I will return their call at dinnertime. I get the same click.

229 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:18:09pm

re: #219 Dianna

At 25 yards, I can cover my group with my clenched fist.

Annie Oakley was better...neener

230 Opinionated  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:18:18pm

re: #132 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Pretty thorough if you ask me.

I'm disappointed that LGF continuous exposing of the "good" terrorists of Abbas/Fatha is missing.

Also Hamas' child abuse.

Also...so much more.

Glaring omissions.

231 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:18:35pm

re: #229 albusteve

Annie Oakley was better...neener

/OLT moves more than 25 yards away from albusteve

232 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:18:40pm

re: #214 KenJen

Something's not right with this Pope.

* * * *
How many handlers has this Pope?

Like Obama's handlers, SOMEONE with a CLUE should run interference for the Pope & Obama from thugs bearing gifts.

233 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:18:54pm

re: #221 Nevergiveup

An attempt by Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal to make an unprecedented video link address to British lawmakers failed Wednesday following a technical glitch.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"Technical Glitch"? Hum any Gremlins around?

Glitch is sometimes the nickname for:

Glitchenberg.
Glitchstein.
Glitchbaum.
Glitchenbergenbaumensteinowitz.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:19:04pm

re: #216 alegrias

* * *
Any Catholics here, please contact your church about this today.

I'll be concerned if he starts wearing it, but realistically, why should he not have taken it?

235 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:19:31pm

re: #227 OldLineTexan

Unclench your fist.

/Barack

Don't unclench!
Don't unclench!

HAHAHAHAHAH! Gross but funny!

236 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:19:34pm

re: #224 quickjustice

One of my law professors was an ex-Marine and Bataan Death March survivor. The Japanese broke a couple of dozens bones in his body with their rifle butts. You could see it in the way he limped. If a Marine couldn't get up after being beaten, they shot him. That was after many hours in the broiling sun without food or water.

they liked beheading as well, and bayonets

237 MJ  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:19:38pm

re: #188 Ben Hur

Pope accepts keffiyah as gift from Palestinian worshippers

Maybe next time someone will give him one of these:

[Link: iamazionist.blogspot.com...]

238 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:19:46pm
If neo-Nazis are into your ideas, Charles, you might want to rethink them.


From Wikipedia:

As a generic concept, National Socialism opposes capitalism, communism, conservatism, international socialism and liberalism.

At first blush that seems to exclude both the American right and left but consider what the true meaning of liberalism is: Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals. I think the left represents far more curtailments on personal liberty than the right. As for opposing international socialism I think the key word there is international, the Nazis had no problem with the socialist concepts of advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production (and neither does the current administration IMHO). Aside from the left's attempt to tie racism with conservatism, something I wholeheartedly reject, what do Nazis and the right have in common? In fact it seems to be the left who tend to see color more than the right.

239 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:19:48pm

I was behind a liberal the other day. Of course his beat up p.o.s. was covered with bumperstickers. One read: I Love Trees. I couldn't help but think that he had dead tree parts plastered all over his car. What a idiot.

240 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:20:25pm
241 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:20:35pm

re: #239 KenJen

I was behind a liberal the other day. Of course his beat up p.o.s. was covered with bumperstickers. One read: I Love Trees. I couldn't help but think that he had dead tree parts plastered all over his car. What a idiot.

There was also a dead plant behind the wheel

242 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:20:52pm

re: #228 CapeCoddah

LOL, I ask them for their home phone number and what time they eat dinner. I will return their call at dinnertime. I get the same click.


That is a beutiful thing. I have to remember that.

243 brookly red  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #229 albusteve

Annie Oakley was better...neener

but that was with a rifle no?

244 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:21:39pm

Yankees headed to the bottom of the 12th. I am sitting by my phone. They are gonna need a another pitcher soon if they don't score. I can make it to the Stadium in 15 minutes.

245 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:21:49pm

Of course he took it.

BALANCE.

246 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:01pm

re: #209 Dianna

I have no idea. I have no idea why I'm a very good shot. I shouldn't be; my vision is just awful, and one eye is so much worse than the other that I have dreadful depth perception.

But you should see me shoot. It's enlightening.

Stereoscopic depth perception doesn't work much beyond a few yards. At most shooting distances, it doesn't provide any useful information.

247 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:09pm

re: #224 quickjustice

One of my law professors was an ex-Marine and Bataan Death March survivor. The Japanese broke a couple of dozens bones in his body with their rifle butts. You could see it in the way he limped. If a Marine couldn't get up after being beaten, they shot him. That was after many hours in the broiling sun without food or water.

* * * *
Bless him.

Liberals at the Smithsonian in 1995 tried to put on an exhibit that said or implied only the Allies were mean in WWII, using their evil Enola Gay on the Japanese.

Liberals actually tried to blame the US for going atomic on Japan--as if done without apparent provocation! (Pearl Harbor bombing, what's that?)

248 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:15pm

BBL

249 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #153 Salamantis

Nope. Communists and Fascists are both on the collectivist extreme of the individualist-collectivist spectrum (anarchists being on the individualist extreme), but Communists are left-human-universalist internationalist collectivists, while Fascists are right-tribalist ethnocentic racist nationalist collectivists.

Correct. The confusion comes in due to the roots of Fascism, not in the works of Marx and Engels, but in the "thoughts" of Haeckel, Hegel, and Nietzsche, about thirty years prior to Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto.

The "collectivist" elements of fascism were German in origin, drawn from the "Romantic" movement, with its emphasis on Volkischerphilosophe (literally, "people's philosophy"). The "people" in question, however, were not the "proletariat", as defined by Marx et al.; they were those who shared a common ethnicity, specifically German, or (in the case of Mussolini & Co.) "Roman", or (in the case of the War Party- Tojo, et al), Japanese. The term "Aryan", BTW, did not become common until popularized by one "Madame" Helena Petrovna Blavatsky around the turn of the 20th century, almost three-quarters of a century after Nietzsche and friends. She was a strong influence on the Thule Society, one of the founding groups of German National Socialism. (Among other things, their "supremacist" publication, Istara, was a favorite read of one A. Hitler as a starving artist in Vienna, Austria- before World War One.)

This "people's" element is what often causes modern viewers to conflate Communist (Marxist) socialism with the Fascist brand. Heck, I made that mistake myself at one time. (I know, I know; eon has admitted being wrong about something, and thus h**l will freeze over any second now. I'm not a "progressive"- I am actually capable of admitting it when I'm wrong about something.) They aren't the same thing, but they are sufficiently similar in a purely "cosmetic" sense that unless you delve fairly deeply into their "philosophies" (with a clothespin on your nose, if not full MOPP), it's easy to get confused.

Especially when you consider the results of both. Mainly in terms of body counts.

cheers

eon

250 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:30pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

Sounds like a job for Swisherman!

251 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:30pm

re: #232 alegrias

* * * *
How many handlers has this Pope?

Like Obama's handlers, SOMEONE with a CLUE should run interference for the Pope & Obama from thugs bearing gifts.

He personally should have handled this himself. Should have known better.

252 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:30pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

Yankees headed to the bottom of the 12th. I am sitting by my phone. They are gonna need a another pitcher soon if they don't score. I can make it to the Stadium in 15 minutes.

A pitcher of what, Sangria?

253 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:44pm
254 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #221 Nevergiveup

An attempt by Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal to make an unprecedented video link address to British lawmakers failed Wednesday following a technical glitch.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"Technical Glitch"? Hum any Gremlins around?

Somehow, the video, and all identifying information to show where it was originated, ended up at the Mossad.
/I wish.

255 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:23:11pm

re: #250 Lincolntf

Sounds like a job for Swisherman!

Matsui is up

256 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll be concerned if he starts wearing it, but realistically, why should he not have taken it?

* * * *
You must be joking if not a Dummkopf.

What is a keffiyeh you ask? Look it up. Just another Frisco fashion statement for you?

257 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #239 KenJen

I was behind a liberal the other day. Of course his beat up p.o.s. was covered with bumperstickers. One read: I Love Trees. I couldn't help but think that he had dead tree parts plastered all over his car. What a idiot.

an idiot.

258 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:23:38pm

re: #252 Walter L. Newton

A pitcher of what, Sangria?

OK I set ya up for that one.

259 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:23:55pm

re: #242 opnion

That is a beutiful thing. I have to remember that.

The best was a telemarketer a few years ago who I got snarky with because he had called repeatedly, and I had asked him to stop calling. He then started calling us at 4am to be an ass. On the third morning, I had taken our boat horn in a can to bed with us. When he called, I let him have it. Scared the hell out of the dogs, but, he never called back.

260 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:24:04pm

re: #250 Lincolntf

Sounds like a job for Swisherman!

Please tell me they don't actually call him that.

261 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:24:08pm
262 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:25:15pm

re: #226 Occasional Reader

Obama will offer you an outstretched hand if you unclench your fist.

Now... that's yards, not feet? And we're not talking from a bench rest here? Because fist-sized groups from 75 feet with a handgun (that's probably the back wall of my range)... that's quite remarkable.

Not too surprising. I'm speaking from an archery perspective, but that kind of grouping at that sort of distance is common, even with bows and arrows, at tournaments.

With a longbow, without sights, my groups at that range are roughly 12 - 15 inches. But I suck.

263 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:25:17pm

re: #260 Bloodnok
Nah, they don't.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Post eventually did.

264 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:25:37pm

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh operated a command and control center inside Shifa Hospital in downtown Gaza City throughout Operation Cast Lead in January, the IDF revealed on Wednesday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Par for the course.

265 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:25:55pm

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

How can that be, since Joe Canutt doubled for Heston in the races?

He had to do some shots, and according to a couple of sources, Heston and Boyd were taught by the stunt crew how to drive a chariot. The line from Heston was a quote of his I read somewhere, right after his death.

266 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll be concerned if he starts wearing it, but realistically, why should he not have taken it?

Um... I guess for the same reason he shouldn't accept a swastika flag, or an autographed photo of Osama bin Laden?

267 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:26:08pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

When one is accepting "state" gifts, it is not protocol to refuse them even if they are most unwelcome. The only way to ensure that you don't get a keffiyeh from the visiting "Palestinian" is not invite him in the first place.

* * * *
Sounds like a plan to me.
Don't meet with people who deny your right to existence.
Don't meet with people who share the Fuehrer's goals TODAY.

268 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:26:09pm

re: #263 Lincolntf

Nah, they don't.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Post eventually did.

It wouldn't surprise me either. If they can come up with "The Giambino" they can come up with anything.

269 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:26:29pm

re: #153 Salamantis

Nope. Communists and Fascists are both on the collectivist extreme of the individualist-collectivist spectrum (anarchists being on the individualist extreme), but Communists are left-human-universalist internationalist collectivists, while Fascists are right-tribalist ethnocentic racist nationalist collectivists.


What makes them "right"? Ethnocentric racism? Racism has nothing to do with "Right wing" in my opinion.

270 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:27:10pm

Anybody notice when you use spell check it wants to change Obama's name to IBM's?

271 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:27:22pm

OT

Ralph for President.

272 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:27:50pm

re: #204 alegrias

69 years ago today, the Bataan Death march happened in the Philippines. Those men suffered real torture, in Axis medical experiments, says Oliver North on Fox News. SEAL training was "torture" for him in 1965, says Oliver North--because it was part of training in surviving and resisting torture & capture.

Obama/Holder's decision will be costly to the US.

Did they ever.

Not to repeat myself (as I've posted this before), but for those who haven't read up on it:

As if the March wasn't bad enough, once in the camps, they were given weevil-infested rice to eat. If a rat wandered in, the prisoners would literally fight over it for food; it would be gone in seconds. Regularly physically abused and sick, many were bayoneted in the abdomen and left in slit trenches full of human excrement to die.

Some Filipino women who tried to throw the prisoners food on the March were executed along the side of the road; if they were pregnant, their babies were sometimes cut from the womb, tossed in the air, and caught on the end of bayonets.

Later on, other Filipino women who would not give the Japanese the locations of Filipino and American guerillas were tied to posts; they then had firecrackers inserted into their bodily cavities while their children watched. If they wouldn't betray the guerillas, the fuses were lit.

It's hard to believe that a grown man contending with a caterpillar in a confined space is controversial now.

273 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:28:04pm

Just in... GM to close most factories for the summer:
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

274 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:28:07pm
"Well imagine that! If you organize people around the notion that all Muslims everywhere want to kill white Americans ..."

Wrong.

Sufis are really cool. There's a Sufi camp every year where near where I live. They have a good time & bother no-one.

275 brookly red  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:28:37pm

re: #270 KenJen

Anybody notice when you use spell check it wants to change Obama's name to IBM's?

IBM? they don't make teleprompters, do they?

276 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:28:42pm

re: #214 KenJen

Something's not right with this Pope.

I don't think he grasps the symbolism of the keffiyah, and after all, it was handed to him by Palestinian Catholics, not muslims. If you remember his Regensburg speech, he has no illusions about the muslims.

277 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:29:05pm

re: #238 Rancher

At first blush that seems to exclude both the American right and left but consider what the true meaning of liberalism is: Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals. I think the left represents far more curtailments on personal liberty than the right. As for opposing international socialism I think the key word there is international, the Nazis had no problem with the socialist concepts of advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production (and neither does the current administration IMHO). Aside from the left's attempt to tie racism with conservatism, something I wholeheartedly reject, what do Nazis and the right have in common? In fact it seems to be the left who tend to see color more than the right.

Constitutional democracy inhabits the sweet spot of the sensible center moderate middle betwen extreme collectivism and extreme individualism, as it allows the consensus of the individual will to be collectively expressed via popular vote for elected officials running on policy positions, while including constitutional Bill of Rights guarantees for equal rights for all, in order to forfend against majority tyranny, which sometimes can shade into bigotrous discrimination and oppression against minorities.

278 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:29:26pm

Police searching the Quincy apartment of Philip Markoff found underwear from two of the victims in the Craigslist attacks and a handgun hidden in a hollowed-out copy of the medical textbook Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Oh yeah, this guy is a sick puppy.

279 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:29:48pm
The stupidity of this remark can’t be understated — the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. I’ve even received death threats from neo-Nazi cretins on more than one occasion. They have never been “into my ideas,” and they have never been welcomed at LGF, and only a fool who’s made unsupported assumptions about my “ideas” could possibly believe that.

Above and beyond that there isn't a single political belief that the writer at Gawker holds that hasn't at one point or another been used as cloak by tribal nationalists, they are political chameleons and don't distinguish between right an left, only between tribes. Are we to invalidate all political ideas that tribal supremacists have adopted at one time or another? It's a ridiculous notion. Instead we should invalidate their prime cause of tribal supremacism.

280 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:29:50pm

re: #261 buzzsawmonkey

See my #240.

* * * *
NO.

Protocol, schmotokol. Don't accept crappy hate symbols as "gifts" under any circumstance.

281 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:29:53pm

re: #274 Ojoe

Wrong.

Sufis are really cool. There's a Sufi camp every year where near where I live.

I hear the cabins at Sufi camp are nice and Rumi.

282 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:29:54pm

re: #273 CapeCoddah

Just in... GM to close most factories for the summer:
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Let's just hope they have jobs to back to.

283 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:30:18pm

re: #270 KenJen

Anybody notice when you use spell check it wants to change Obama's name to IBM's?

And Obama wants to change all the ICBMs to wind mills?

284 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:30:21pm
285 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:30:32pm

If John Cook was hired by the NY Post that would be a step up in career path. Writing for a two-bit outfit is about as low as one can get for a mere gossip writer like Mr. Cook especially for one as poor as Gawker.

They along with the septic and squirrel mouthed Nick Denton will continue to rely on rumors and the likes of Lindsey Lohan to support their pithy existence.

Until then it will continue to be a "news source" for the mono-syllabic club kid demographic.

286 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:31:00pm

re: #278 Nevergiveup

Police searching the Quincy apartment of Philip Markoff found underwear from two of the victims in the Craigslist attacks and a handgun hidden in a hollowed-out copy of the medical textbook Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Oh yeah, this guy is a sick puppy.

Yep, he's screwed up. Someone here mentioned Ted Bundy the other day. It's not too far off.

287 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:31:16pm

re: #214 KenJen

Time to repost this from the poster "True German Allay"

#179 True German Ally 4/20/2005 8:57:37 am PDT

Pope Benedict may come across as the Great Inquisitor, but he has never refused discussion and arguments. He is firm on the "essentials" of the Catholic faith. The German Catholic professors he suspended clearly violated the essential principles of Catholicism. He is an extremely intelligent, bright personality... a bit shy with people though. He won't pretend to have the charisma of JPII.

From my conversations with him in the late 70s, when he was archbishop of Munich, I learned a few things about him:

1) That he hated the Nazis even during his short time in the Hitler Youth. He was a nominal member, but was exempted weeks after his compulsory joining because of his fragile health and studies in the Catholic seminary (many boys actually joined Catholic institutions to avoid service in the HJ.) His teen years had a lasting effect on him as he was able to see the difference between reality and what the Nazis taught. His love for truth and being truthful all the time stems from this early experience.

2) He was a progressive Catholic in his early year (played an important role at the 2nd Vaticanum), but the intolerance of 1968 made him change his mind. He abhorred communism and the carefree nihilist thinkings in these times and became a conservative, but not a reactionary, as many claim.

3) He saw the dangers of Islamic fanatism in the 70s already. Khomeini was a menetekel for him. At this time he didn't see Islam so much as a threat for Europe (yet), but for Asia and Africa.

4) He is more a friend of the Jews than most other Catholic priests. I remember him saying that Christians and Jews are on the same direction to salvation, just on different paths. Islam instead was an aberration that would lead humanity into a religious "dead end street" (Sackgasse was his exact word). He strongly favoured a rapprochement between the Catholic and Jewish faith, but didn't see any common ground between Christianity and Islam.


And yes, I think, we'll see a few surprises from him in the next years. I had to chuckle when I heard the Chicoms demands today. Oh boy, they are messing with the wrong guy here.

Benedict of Nursia one restored the Christian faith in a devastated Europe. Commentators have focussed much on Benedict XV as the closest role model of Ratzinger. But I think he's much closer to Benedict XIV.

[Link: [Link: www.newadvent.org...]...]

And yes, he loved the "Apfelmaultaschen" (pasta made with potato flour, filled with apples and powder sugar and cinnamon on top) my wife prepared for him :-)

They look like this:
[Link: [Link: www.donau.de...]...]

I guess you won't find this detail on CNN :-)

288 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:31:34pm

re: #278 Nevergiveup

Police searching the Quincy apartment of Philip Markoff found underwear from two of the victims in the Craigslist attacks and a handgun hidden in a hollowed-out copy of the medical textbook Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Oh yeah, this guy is a sick puppy.

They have so much evidence on that dude, it is not even funny. He is a guest of my dad's (a correctional officer) at MCI Shirley and will be there forever.

289 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:31:51pm

re: #259 CapeCoddah

The best was a telemarketer a few years ago who I got snarky with because he had called repeatedly, and I had asked him to stop calling. He then started calling us at 4am to be an ass. On the third morning, I had taken our boat horn in a can to bed with us. When he called, I let him have it. Scared the hell out of the dogs, but, he never called back.

The most odd call that I got was on a Saturday morning from a bill collector.
She was screaming that my brother Richard owed money & that I should cover him. I asked where does Richard live & she recited my address & said that he lived with me. I informed her that I do not have a brother Richard or any other brother.
She became unglued & started screaming , "Liar, Liar"
I know, I should have hung up, but I suggested that she stand in the middle of the street ouside of her home & see if she could identify the make & model of the car coming right at her.

290 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:32:49pm

re: #276 Ward Cleaver

I don't think he grasps the symbolism of the keffiyah, and after all, it was handed to him by Palestinian Catholics, not muslims. If you remember his Regensburg speech, he has no illusions about the muslims.

* * * *
Beware of anyone bearing keffiyehs.
Shame on those Pali Catholics for carrying jihadist's water to the Pope.

291 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:32:56pm

re: #287 Ojoe

Sorry if the links don't work; I have stored this post on my hard drive & the links only partially made it in and out.

292 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #275 brookly red

IBM? they don't make teleprompters, do they?

Office 2007 understands the word "Obama".

293 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:33:08pm

re: #269 Rancher

What makes them "right"? Ethnocentric racism? Racism has nothing to do with "Right wing" in my opinion.

Perhaps your definition of right wing is more influenced by libertarianism than by fascism. But the extreme right wing is indeed racist; any visit to Stormfront or the National Alliance conclusively demonstrates same.

294 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #273 CapeCoddah

Just in... GM to close most factories for the summer ever:
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

FTFY. If true, this is GM's end game. They will never emerge from such a move. The remaining car companies will do everything they can to exploit the ceded market share this move opens up, causing GM even more hemorrhaging. I can't see this leading to anything but an acceleration of their death spiral.

295 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:33:39pm

re: #286 Ward Cleaver

Yep, he's screwed up. Someone here mentioned Ted Bundy the other day. It's not too far off.

They did some remarkably quick work with 5 or 6 agencies working together and brought this bastard down. Of course, his stupidity contributed mightily to his quick arrest.

296 yochanan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:33:45pm

re: #25 Idle Drifter

They still don't know about Godwin's Law.

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if you are talking about real fascists.

297 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:33:58pm

The Food and Drug Administration, reversing field, will now let 17-year-olds get the 'morning-after' birth control pill without a doctor's prescription.

The agency announced Wednesday that it is complying with a federal judge's order that overturns a Bush administration policy.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

So why not let them vote and drink?

298 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34:02pm

Oh dear, it seems that I've offended Ms. Geller because I genderized the word "Jew" on Holocaust Remembrance day... how incredibly insensitive of me.

No mention of the rest of my blog post though, which read:

There should be NO tolerance in this country for extremist ideologies, the people who promote them, or the people who exploit them for their own personal benefit.

Yes, I'm talking about people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Pat Robertson.

I'm also talking about people like Robert Spencer (who publicly condemns one flavor of extremism while condoning another), and the Jewess Pamela Geller who - if given the opportunity - would personally send every single Muslim man, woman and child on the planet to the ovens with a smile on her face.

It's unfortunate that the only Muslims that Ms. Geller is interested in defending, are the ones that she can exploit.

299 Bignjames  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34:04pm

re: #278 Nevergiveup

Police searching the Quincy apartment of Philip Markoff found underwear from two of the victims in the Craigslist attacks and a handgun hidden in a hollowed-out copy of the medical textbook Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Oh yeah, this guy is a sick puppy.


The "trophy" thing is serial killer stuff...wonder if they caught him early?

300 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34:11pm

re: #281 Occasional Reader

I hear the cabins at Sufi camp are nice and Rumi.

* * * *
Jee do you have to remind us of Pres. Obama mentioning Iranian poetry at his inaugural?

301 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34:14pm

Gawker can speak when he starts going after some of the nazis on his side, but don't hold your breath.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34:24pm

re: #256 alegrias

* * * *
You must be joking if not a Dummkopf.

What is a keffiyeh you ask? Look it up. Just another Frisco fashion statement for you?

Don't foam at me, thanks.

This was a gift from Palestinian Catholics. Benedict is their Pope. The khaffiyeh has an unfortunate association with Palestinian radicalism, but it is also a traditional garment of a long-standing Catholic community.

Rather than slinging insults, can you formulate a clear reason why Benedict should have refused, and a suggestion as to what small token gift would have been appropriate from Palestinian Catholics? Myself, I think olive-wood rosary beads would have been nice--lots of workshops in Bet Lechem produce them. So the question is: why did they choose the khaffiyeh? Are they under pressure? Are they agreeing to present something with a political connotation? What is Benedict's responsibility, both in terms of the statement he makes as the head of the Church, and the statement that he makes as the head of a Church that includes Arab Catholics who, as was pointed out above, have not been having a great twenty years or so.

303 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:34:46pm

re: #273 CapeCoddah

thankfully though, the unions will insist on everyone being paid time and a half for hardship...

304 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:12pm

re: #288 CapeCoddah

They have so much evidence on that dude, it is not even funny. He is a guest of my dad's (a correctional officer) at MCI Shirley and will be there forever.

Well he is a "pretty boy". That should keep him busy?

305 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:20pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout

Your brain has developed a "work-around" for the depth perception problem.

Also, exactly where the sights are relative to your eye makes a difference. Due to my nearsightedness (now changing due to age), even with corrective lenses I have trouble "seeing" a receiver-mounted peep sight on a rifle or shotgun (M-1, M-14, AR-15, or the popular "ghost-ring" sights on defensive scatterguns). I shoot perfectly well with the "old-fashioned" rear sights mounted out on the barrels of bolt-actions and lever-actions, as well as such intermediate-caliber rifles as the AK and SKS. Why? Because the rear sight is far enough away from my eye that I can focus on it and the front sight both. Handguns are even easier- even less parallax between the sights, and they're both about as far from my eye as the front sight of a rifle.

The important thing to remember, as Jeff Cooper once pointed out, is that it is physically impossible to focus on your sights and the target simultaneously if the target is farther away than about ten feet. The answer is, as he said, to "focus on your sights and let the target blur".

Do that, get a proper sight picture with a properly sighted-in weapon, squeeze the trigger, and you will hit. That's really all there is to it.

/Plus practice, of course.

cheers

eon

306 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:22pm

re: #273 CapeCoddah

Just in... GM to close most factories for the summer:
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

* * * *
Great, like the NEA run public schools. 3 months vacation on your tax dollar.

307 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #300 alegrias

* * * *
Jee do you have to remind us of Pres. Obama mentioning Iranian poetry at his inaugural?

It's all a sham! In fact, it's several Shams!

308 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:26pm

re: #294 SixDegrees

Ford was a better car from the start, we're talking Model T and Model A here. Chevy outsold the Model A every year and how many Chevys of that era do you see for each model A? It must be 30 to one at least.

309 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:41pm

re: #276 Ward Cleaver

I don't think he grasps the symbolism of the keffiyah, and after all, it was handed to him by Palestinian Catholics, not muslims. If you remember his Regensburg speech, he has no illusions about the muslims.

Perhaps. But surely he is aware of what happened to Dunkin Donuts and Rachel Ray.

310 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:42pm

re: #298 Irish Rose

Don't feel bad, on Holocaust Remembrance day she posted a multi part interview with a nazi. WTF was she thinking?

311 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #277 Salamantis

Constitutional democracy inhabits the sweet spot of the sensible center moderate middle betwen extreme collectivism and extreme individualism, as it allows the consensus of the individual will to be collectively expressed via popular vote for elected officials running on policy positions, while including constitutional Bill of Rights guarantees for equal rights for all, in order to forfend against majority tyranny, which sometimes can shade into bigotrous discrimination and oppression against minorities.


Unfortunately you can still get a tyranny of the majority. The left is slowly removing more and more voters from the taxpayer ranks therefore more and more voters are happy to take more and more from the minority who still pay. Its an ominous trend that can only have disastrous results.

312 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:36:06pm

re: #289 opnion

The most odd call that I got was on a Saturday morning from a bill collector.
She was screaming that my brother Richard owed money & that I should cover him. I asked where does Richard live & she recited my address & said that he lived with me. I informed her that I do not have a brother Richard or any other brother.
She became unglued & started screaming , "Liar, Liar"
I know, I should have hung up, but I suggested that she stand in the middle of the street ouside of her home & see if she could identify the make & model of the car coming right at her.

LOL. My husband is being harassed by a bill collector now, on his new cell #.
No matter how hard he tries to explain, they do not believe he is not the woman they are looking for. She had the number before him, apparently.

313 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:36:34pm

re: #288 CapeCoddah

They have so much evidence on that dude, it is not even funny. He is a guest of my dad's (a correctional officer) at MCI Shirley and will be there forever.

Here's what Howie Carr says he has to look forward to.
An entertaining read.
One tidbit:

2015. Front-page story in the Herald about Doc Markoff trolling the Internet on one of those jailbird-lovelorn Web sites. “Have long sought love in all the wrong places, like the Internet,” he pens. “please, sincere responses only. Bring your own plastic zip-tie cuffs.”
314 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:36:40pm

I predict a bright future for John Cook writing Dept. of Homeland Security briefings.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:37:02pm

re: #266 Occasional Reader

Um... I guess for the same reason he shouldn't accept a swastika flag, or an autographed photo of Osama bin Laden?

I don't see the khaffiyeh as being in that category, at least when it's not worn by some crazy Berserkeley non-Arab kid at a demo. Sorry, I just don't.

316 paint-right  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:37:11pm

re: #288 CapeCoddah

They have so much evidence on that dude, it is not even funny. He is a guest of my dad's (a correctional officer) at MCI Shirley and will be there forever.

His girlfriend/fiance should thank God that she never married him nor bore his children.
/no way she's part of the deal. right?

317 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:37:12pm

re: #294 SixDegrees

FTFY. If true, this is GM's end game. They will never emerge from such a move. The remaining car companies will do everything they can to exploit the ceded market share this move opens up, causing GM even more hemorrhaging. I can't see this leading to anything but an acceleration of their death spiral.

That was my thought also.

318 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:37:20pm

re: #309 KenJen

Perhaps. But surely he is aware of what happened to Dunkin Donuts and Rachel Ray.

Actually, I kind of doubt the Pope follows the fortunes of either very closely.

(But he still should have known what the frickkin' kaffiyeh means.)

319 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:37:34pm

re: #310 Thanos

Don't feel bad, on Holocaust Remembrance day she posted a multi part interview with a nazi. WTF was she thinking?

She's certainly one to talk.

320 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:37:37pm

re: #295 CapeCoddah

They did some remarkably quick work with 5 or 6 agencies working together and brought this bastard down. Of course, his stupidity contributed mightily to his quick arrest.

His fiancee' has a serious case of denial. I guess I can't blame her; her world has been turned upside-down.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:38:06pm

re: #274 Ojoe

Wrong.

Sufis are really cool. There's a Sufi camp every year where near where I live. They have a good time & bother no-one.

Sufis are very interesting folks. I think of them as sort of the Chasidim of Islam.

322 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:38:23pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't see the khaffiyeh as being in that category, at least when it's not worn by some crazy Berserkeley non-Arab kid at a demo. Sorry, I just don't.

My understanding is that it has very much THAT meaning for Palestinians. It's an explicitly political symbol, not merely a garment that's usedful for keeping sand out of your face (or whatever).

323 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:38:47pm

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, they are the hippies of Islam, and boy does it need them.

324 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:38:52pm

re: #298 Irish Rose

That strikes me as odd, because she's clearly more comfortable with her femininity than her religion.

325 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:39:07pm

re: #309 KenJen

Perhaps. But surely he is aware of what happened to Dunkin Donuts and Rachel Ray.

I wouldn't bet on it. I seriously doubt he watches a lot of cable news.

326 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:39:30pm

re: #311 Rancher

Unfortunately you can still get a tyranny of the majority. The left is slowly removing more and more voters from the taxpayer ranks therefore more and more voters are happy to take more and more from the minority who still pay. Its an ominous trend that can only have disastrous results.

Here is an article that speaks penetratingly and at some length to such concerns:

[Link: www.american.com...]

327 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:39:38pm

re: #269 Rancher

What makes them "right"? Ethnocentric racism? Racism has nothing to do with "Right wing" in my opinion.

Racism can be found on either the right or the left.

Part of the problem is that people seem to be looking at two different single-dimensional axes when looking at fascism and communism. Both were collectivist, statist ideologies, but one focused on the class, and the other focused on the tribe.

Using one axis, placing tribalism on the right, and classism on the left, yes, fascists are distinctly rightist as they are tribalist in nature. If you use the individualism vs. collectivism with individualism on the right and collectivism on the left, they fit the left side of the axis better.

I think this is where the confusion comes from, and it would better if we used a two-axis graph to figure this out than a one-axis graph. Communists are internationalists who focus on the class of a person while being collectivists. Fascists are nationalists who focus on the tribe of a person while being collectivists.

328 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:39:42pm

re: #276 Ward Cleaver

I don't think he grasps the symbolism of the keffiyah, and after all, it was handed to him by Palestinian Catholics, not muslims. If you remember his Regensburg speech, he has no illusions about the muslims.

* * * *
The Pope is surrounded by Italian and Spanish Catholic people who should know better what propaganda Palis gave the Pope.

A Keffiyeh is NOT a peace pipe.

Islam is Italy's second religion by size.
Islam is Spain's probably most abundant religion now.
Keffiyeh wearing people abound in Europe.

329 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:40:33pm
330 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:40:40pm

re: #304 Nevergiveup

Well he is a "pretty boy". That should keep him busy?

Lets hope so. MCI Shirley is not a pretty place to be. My dad being assigned there scares the hell out of me. It is home to the worst of the worst Massachusetts criminals. I worry about him constantly.

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:40:44pm

re: #309 KenJen

Perhaps. But surely he is aware of what happened to Dunkin Donuts and Rachel Ray.

I'm not sure the Pope follows Dunkin' Donuts ad controversies.

/

332 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #312 CapeCoddah

LOL. My husband is being harassed by a bill collector now, on his new cell #.
No matter how hard he tries to explain, they do not believe he is not the woman they are looking for. She had the number before him, apparently.

Send a copy of the bill with via certified letter, redact the address if you want to.

Next time they call tell them they received proof this number is not the person they want, any further calls will be considered harassment and dealt with via legal means.

I've had to do that a couple of times for collections getting the wrong information. Worked for me.

333 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:42:13pm

BBL

334 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:42:27pm

re: #287 Ojoe

Time to repost this from the poster "True German Allay"

#179 True German Ally 4/20/2005 8:57:37 am PDT

Pope Benedict may come across as the Great Inquisitor, but he has never refused discussion and arguments. He is firm on the "essentials" of the Catholic faith. The German Catholic professors he suspended clearly violated the essential principles of Catholicism. He is an extremely intelligent, bright personality... a bit shy with people though. He won't pretend to have the charisma of JPII.

From my conversations with him in the late 70s, when he was archbishop of Munich, I learned a few things about him:

1) That he hated the Nazis even during his short time in the Hitler Youth. He was a nominal member, but was exempted weeks after his compulsory joining because of his fragile health and studies in the Catholic seminary (many boys actually joined Catholic institutions to avoid service in the HJ.) His teen years had a lasting effect on him as he was able to see the difference between reality and what the Nazis taught. His love for truth and being truthful all the time stems from this early experience.

2) He was a progressive Catholic in his early year (played an important role at the 2nd Vaticanum), but the intolerance of 1968 made him change his mind. He abhorred communism and the carefree nihilist thinkings in these times and became a conservative, but not a reactionary, as many claim.

3) He saw the dangers of Islamic fanatism in the 70s already. Khomeini was a menetekel for him. At this time he didn't see Islam so much as a threat for Europe (yet), but for Asia and Africa.

4) He is more a friend of the Jews than most other Catholic priests. I remember him saying that Christians and Jews are on the same direction to salvation, just on different paths. Islam instead was an aberration that would lead humanity into a religious "dead end street" (Sackgasse was his exact word). He strongly favoured a rapprochement between the Catholic and Jewish faith, but didn't see any common ground between Christianity and Islam.


And yes, I think, we'll see a few surprises from him in the next years. I had to chuckle when I heard the Chicoms demands today. Oh boy, they are messing with the wrong guy here.

Benedict of Nursia one restored the Christian faith in a devastated Europe. Commentators have focussed much on Benedict XV as the closest role model of Ratzinger. But I think he's much closer to Benedict XIV.

[Link: [Link: www.donau.de...]...]

I guess you won't find this detail on CNN :-)

Thank you. I guess my words were kind of harsh. The keffiyah photos were surprising and I did not like the handling of the Holocaust denying Bishop. What is your take on the photos? I hope I did not offend you.

335 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:42:28pm

re: #330 CapeCoddah

Lets hope so. MCI Shirley is not a pretty place to be. My dad being assigned there scares the hell out of me. It is home to the worst of the worst Massachusetts criminals. I worry about him constantly.

Wasn't he arrested in Ct.? Near Foxwoods?

336 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:42:29pm

re: #293 Salamantis

Perhaps your definition of right wing is more influenced by libertarianism than by fascism. But the extreme right wing is indeed racist; any visit to Stormfront or the National Alliance conclusively demonstrates same.

I guess I reject Stormfront as being defined as right wing. Again from Wiki:

In politics, right-wing, rightist and the Right are terms applied to positions that focus on adherence and obedience to traditional values and authorities and creating or promoting a form of social hierarchy.

How does racism fit in with that definition?

337 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:42:47pm

re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure the Pope follows Dunkin' Donuts ad controversies.

/

Only if Dunkin' Donuts made communion wafers...

338 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:43:02pm
339 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:43:10pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't foam at me, thanks.

This was a gift from Palestinian Catholics. Benedict is their Pope. The khaffiyeh has an unfortunate association with Palestinian radicalism, but it is also a traditional garment of a long-standing Catholic community.

Rather than slinging insults, can you formulate a clear reason why Benedict should have refused, and a suggestion as to what small token gift would have been appropriate from Palestinian Catholics? Myself, I think olive-wood rosary beads would have been nice--lots of workshops in Bet Lechem produce them. So the question is: why did they choose the khaffiyeh? Are they under pressure? Are they agreeing to present something with a political connotation? What is Benedict's responsibility, both in terms of the statement he makes as the head of the Church, and the statement that he makes as the head of a Church that includes Arab Catholics who, as was pointed out above, have not been having a great twenty years or so.

I agree that an olivewood rosary or crucifix would have been more appropriate. It always seems like when the Holy Land Catholics come to our parish selling olivewood items, I'm out of of cash. They usually give a talk during or after Mass, and relate how crappy they are treated by the muslims.

340 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #313 Kosh's Shadow

Kosh, I read that at 12:30am this morning. I always stay up to read Howies columns as soon as they hit. He is spot on as usual. This type of killer does not generally do well in prison. He won't survive long after conviction.

341 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:43:52pm

As a former marketing hack, allow me to point out something.

We are all associated with a demographic.

That is especially true on line. Words used in certain combinations allow marketeers to profile who uses those words and what they are likely to buy.

Google has built an incredibly successful business on exactly that fact.

So it is interesting to look at the Ads that Google now places on Charles' site by simply parsing the mountains and mountains of text that has been written here and selecting ads accordingly.

Right now, I see three Google tall format ads in the right hand gutter of the screen. One for a Newt Gingrich, one for a Muslim dating site, and one for Amazon's MP3 service.

That is demographic diversity that you won't see on any major trafficked site on the web.

So Charles does not fit into the handy stereotype that both the left and right hope to pigeon-hole him into.

342 Maltboy!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:43:55pm

If there is one thing I've noticed about batshit crazy people, it's that they tend to employ ridiculously untenable absolutes to make a point.
Case in point:

If you organize people around the notion that all Muslims everywhere want to kill white Americans, some kooks show up at the table

.

343 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:44:08pm

re: #330 CapeCoddah

Lets hope so. MCI Shirley is not a pretty place to be. My dad being assigned there scares the hell out of me. It is home to the worst of the worst Massachusetts criminals. I worry about him constantly.

Isn't it called the Souza-Baranowski Correctional Institution, or something like that? My wife has met clients in there; she does criminal defense and appeals.

344 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:44:15pm

re: #226 Occasional Reader

Obama will offer you an outstretched hand if you unclench your fist.

Now... that's yards, not feet? And we're not talking from a bench rest here? Because fist-sized groups from 75 feet with a handgun (that's probably the back wall of my range)... that's quite remarkable.

I love to shoot. I use both hands, of course.

345 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:44:22pm

re: #325 Ward Cleaver

I wouldn't bet on it. I seriously doubt he watches a lot of cable news.

I forgot my /

346 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:44:22pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't see the khaffiyeh as being in that category, at least when it's not worn by some crazy Berserkeley non-Arab kid at a demo. Sorry, I just don't.

* * * *
That "ignorance of history" excuse didn't work for Prince Harry, nor should it have.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

My understanding is that it has very much THAT meaning for Palestinians. It's an explicitly political symbol, not merely a garment that's usedful for keeping sand out of your face (or whatever).

That may be so, it certainly is in NoCal, although it's also now just a fashion accessory worn in hot pink by teenage girls. In Israel, Jordan, etc., in a lot of places, though, it is just a

head covering. Actually, what I find most interesting, maybe significant, is that they arrange it on his shoulders, like the local protesters wear it, rather than over his head, like the old men do.

348 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:45:14pm

re: #346 alegrias

* * * *
That "ignorance of history" excuse didn't work for Prince Harry, nor should it have.

Oh I don't know. I think Harry is probably a moron?

349 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:45:18pm

re: #336 Rancher

How does racism fit in with that definition?

Rancher, see my #327. They (communists and fascists) are both collectivists, but they differ in being internationalists versus nationalists. Class versus tribe.

350 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:45:36pm

TEENAGE PIRATES MOM ASKS OBAMA TO RELEASE HER SON

She says he was "corrupted" by the other pirates

Tell you what, Mrs Pirates Mom. Tell your sons "freinds" to release the 30 + hostages they currently hold and see how soon they're released !

351 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:45:53pm

re: #286 Ward Cleaver

Yep, he's screwed up. Someone here mentioned Ted Bundy the other day. It's not too far off.

The "markers" for a serial killer type are fairly distinctive. He shows several of them.
Ref- Whoever Fights Monsters; My Twenty Years Hunting Serial Killers For The FBI, by Robert K. Ressler and Tom Shactman.

Ressler, along with John Douglas, basically created the FBI Behavioral Crime Investigation Unit, and was the lead investigator on several of the more extreme serial killer cases, notably John Gacy, David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz, and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The book is highly interesting.

Just don't read it late at night.

/Trust me.

cheers

eon

352 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:45:57pm

re: #340 CapeCoddah

Kosh, I read that at 12:30am this morning. I always stay up to read Howies columns as soon as they hit. He is spot on as usual. This type of killer does not generally do well in prison. He won't survive long after conviction.

Like the pedophile priest that got killed in prison?

He better not bend over to pick up the soap.

353 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:46:30pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

TEENAGE PIRATES MOM ASKS OBAMA TO RELEASE HER SON

She says he was "corrupted" by the other pirates

Tell you what, Mrs Pirates Mom. Tell your sons "freinds" to release the 30 + hostages they currently hold and see how soon they're released !

Pirates, ye be warned.

354 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:46:35pm

re: #351 eon

Yeah that stuff gives me the creeps also

355 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:46:38pm

re: #313 Kosh's Shadow

Howie's great.

356 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:46:40pm

re: #320 Ward Cleaver

His fiancee' has a serious case of denial. I guess I can't blame her; her world has been turned upside-down.

I gotta say I would have given up on the denial thing after the police found a gun, the duct tape, the zip ties and underwear from 2 victims in his apartment.
I realize it is hard for her, but I think I would be down on my knees thanking the police for obviously saving my life, and I would never choose my own man again. I would leave that up to dad.

357 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #246 SixDegrees

Stereoscopic depth perception doesn't work much beyond a few yards. At most shooting distances, it doesn't provide any useful information.

I didn't know that.

358 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:47:23pm

re: #341 karmic_inquisitor

That reminds me of the day several years ago, when I received in the mail one letter emblazoned "Your chance to tell the NRA to go to hell" and the other from the NRA asking me to join.
Someone's profile of me is wrong.

359 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:47:24pm

re: #356 CapeCoddah

I gotta say I would have given up on the denial thing after the police found a gun, the duct tape, the zip ties and underwear from 2 victims in his apartment.
I realize it is hard for her, but I think I would be down on my knees thanking the police for obviously saving my life, and I would never choose my own man again. I would leave that up to dad.

Or join the other team for good

360 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:47:38pm

re: #317 CapeCoddah

That was my thought also.

This just in: GM announced it would NOT make a $1 billion loan repayment that's due June 1, the day after their deadline for presenting a restructuring plan to the gummint passes.

I'm saying it's game over for GM. Stick a fork in it.

361 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #307 Occasional Reader

It's all a sham! In fact, it's several Shams!

Do you get a free Sham-Wow! with that?

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:47:56pm

re: #339 Ward Cleaver

I agree that an olivewood rosary or crucifix would have been more appropriate. It always seems like when the Holy Land Catholics come to our parish selling olivewood items, I'm out of of cash. They usually give a talk during or after Mass, and relate how crappy they are treated by the muslims.

It's been tough. When the suicide bombing started in earnest, I think there was a real breach between the Christians and the Muslims. The Christians have been bailing to the extent that they can, and for the people who stay, I understand it's getting worse and worse.

363 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:48:15pm

re: #332 jcm

Send a copy of the bill with via certified letter, redact the address if you want to.

Next time they call tell them they received proof this number is not the person they want, any further calls will be considered harassment and dealt with via legal means.

I've had to do that a couple of times for collections getting the wrong information. Worked for me.

Thanks... will do!

364 KenJen  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:48:19pm

re: #287 Ojoe

Thanks, my words were a bit harsh. I was a bit suprised by the photos plus I didn't like his handling of the Holocaust denying bishop. I hope I did not offend you.

365 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:48:24pm

re: #356 CapeCoddah

I gotta say I would have given up on the denial thing after the police found a gun, the duct tape, the zip ties and underwear from 2 victims in his apartment.
I realize it is hard for her, but I think I would be down on my knees thanking the police for obviously saving my life, and I would never choose my own man again. I would leave that up to dad.

Well as a dad of 2 daughters, I think it should always be left up to the dad.
/actually I'm dead serious

366 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:48:26pm

re: #312 CapeCoddah

LOL. My husband is being harassed by a bill collector now, on his new cell #.
No matter how hard he tries to explain, they do not believe he is not the woman they are looking for. She had the number before him, apparently.

They are like sharks, totally focused on the target & nothing else matters.

367 Rishonah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:48:34pm

Those of us who read this site regularly know who Charles Johnson is, and those things for which he stands. It is truly unfortunate that some people have slipped into outright bigotry, xenophobia, and consorting with white supremacists. A man is known by the company he keeps. There is no excuse for any alliance with evil, and the white supremacists involved ARE evil.

Not all Moslems are evil, dangerous, or murderous. To wish failure on the President is anti-American. President Obama is a Christian American and so say otherwise is simply stupid. There are enough real problems in this country and world without making things up. Charles is right, and the rest of these people are wrong.

368 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:48:50pm

re: #361 Ward Cleaver

Do you get a free Sham-Wow! with that?

I think that's how the product was named.

"Look at all the stuff we have to sell, like this super-towel."
"Wow, that's a lot of sham merchandise."
"Sham ... Wow ... It's GREAT!"

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:49:01pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

TEENAGE PIRATES MOM ASKS OBAMA TO RELEASE HER SON

She says he was "corrupted" by the other pirates

Tell you what, Mrs Pirates Mom. Tell your sons "freinds" to release the 30 + hostages they currently hold and see how soon they're released !

The other pirates were a bad influence on him.

370 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:49:03pm

re: #336 Rancher

How does racism fit in with that definition?

Fascists are racists while Communists are classists. For Communists, in theory if not in practice, a pure classless utopian society is achievable without ethnic genocide, but by adopting a different governmental form (the supposedly transitional dictatorship of the proletariat was supposed to wither away after a while, but this never happened). The only way for fascists to achieve their version of utopia, otoh, is to rid themselves of the other races; this of course requires genocide.

371 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:49:15pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

TEENAGE PIRATES MOM ASKS OBAMA TO RELEASE HER SON

She says he was "corrupted" by the other pirates

Tell you what, Mrs Pirates Mom. Tell your sons "freinds" to release the 30 + hostages they currently hold and see how soon they're released !

Corrupted, my ass.
Prosecutors say teen pirate was brazen ringleader

He was the first to board the ship, fired a shot at the captain, helped steal $30,000 in cash from a safe, and bragged about hijacking ships in the past, authorities said.
372 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #326 Salamantis

Here is an article that speaks penetratingly and at some length to such concerns:

[Link: www.american.com...]


Great link, its going to require a few re-readings.

373 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #358 Kosh's Shadow

That reminds me of the day several years ago, when I received in the mail one letter emblazoned "Your chance to tell the NRA to go to hell" and the other from the NRA asking me to join.
Someone's profile of me is wrong.

I love when that happens. Makes me feel like a free man with a free mind.

374 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:50:10pm

re: #370 Salamantis

Fascists are racists while Communists are classists. For Communists, in theory if not in practice, a pure classless utopian society is achievable without ethnic genocide, but by adopting a different governmental form (the supposedly transitional dictatorship of the proletariat was supposed to wither away after a while, but this never happened). The only way for fascists to achieve their version of utopia, otoh, is to rid themselves of the other races; this of course requires genocide.

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

375 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:50:29pm

I'm uncomfortable with the current fashion for putting GoV and Stormfront in the same ideological bin. While both sites partake of extremism, GoV supports Israel, which, without having to go visit and check, I will confidently predict Stormfront does not.

376 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:50:41pm

re: #356 CapeCoddah

I gotta say I would have given up on the denial thing after the police found a gun, the duct tape, the zip ties and underwear from 2 victims in his apartment.
I realize it is hard for her, but I think I would be down on my knees thanking the police for obviously saving my life, and I would never choose my own man again. I would leave that up to dad.

We make sure our dogs approve of my daughter's boyfriends.
All seven dogs like her current one, now her fiance. He has just finished the Maryland state police academy, and wants to work with the helicopter EMT group.

377 aRedPhishHead  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:50:47pm

What the hell's a "Gawker?"

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:50:56pm

re: #358 Kosh's Shadow

That reminds me of the day several years ago, when I received in the mail one letter emblazoned "Your chance to tell the NRA to go to hell" and the other from the NRA asking me to join.
Someone's profile of me is wrong.

My spam e-mail believes that I am a Christian single with a small penis that I'm insecure about, who wants to go halfsies in cheating a large Nigerian bank.

This guy isn't me, but I believe he should ask his pastor to fix him up with a nice young woman who can take care of the family finances.

379 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:51:05pm

re: #358 Kosh's Shadow

That reminds me of the day several years ago, when I received in the mail one letter emblazoned "Your chance to tell the NRA to go to hell" and the other from the NRA asking me to join.
Someone's profile of me is wrong.

LOL. You should have mailed the anti-NRA lit to the NRA.

380 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:51:05pm

re: #348 Nevergiveup

Oh I don't know. I think Harry is probably a moron?

* * * *
In that instance, Harry was moronic, as was anyone who let him wear that fabric on his arm.

Afterwards, Prince Harry served honorably in Afghanistan and wanted to stay there with his military cohorts, until "morons" outed his whereabouts in Afghanistan.

Such a young man who does his duty without whining when he could be a celebrity idiot like so many others, is not such a moron.

381 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:51:18pm

re: #294 SixDegrees

FTFY. If true, this is GM's end game. They will never emerge from such a move. The remaining car companies will do everything they can to exploit the ceded market share this move opens up, causing GM even more hemorrhaging. I can't see this leading to anything but an acceleration of their death spiral.

It's going to be a long summer, though. Who knows what will happen between now and September/October. Maybe, somehow they'll find a way to re-emerge perhaps smaller, but much more viable financially. It all depends on how much power the zero gives the unions. Remember, the zero is a stockholder now and a failure of GM will be a sign of failure for his administration. Yep. It's going to be a long summer.

382 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:51:30pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

It's been tough. When the suicide bombing started in earnest, I think there was a real breach between the Christians and the Muslims. The Christians have been bailing to the extent that they can, and for the people who stay, I understand it's getting worse and worse.

It's very sad, when you think about that Lebanon used to be a majority Christian country. We have a couple of dear friends who are Maronite Catholics, from Lebanon. They are very distressed about what's going on over there, and worry about the fate of their families.

383 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:51:35pm

re: #339 Ward Cleaver

I agree that an olivewood rosary or crucifix would have been more appropriate. It always seems like when the Holy Land Catholics come to our parish selling olivewood items, I'm out of of cash. They usually give a talk during or after Mass, and relate how crappy they are treated by the muslims.

I can't imagine that life for Catholics or any Christians in a majority Muslim community can be pleasant. The stories of murder & mayhem on Christian homes & churches are legion.

384 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:51:36pm

re: #370 Salamantis

Fascists are racists while Communists are classists. For Communists, in theory if not in practice, a pure classless utopian society is achievable without ethnic genocide, but by adopting a different governmental form (the supposedly transitional dictatorship of the proletariat was supposed to wither away after a while, but this never happened). The only way for fascists to achieve their version of utopia, otoh, is to rid themselves of the other races; this of course requires genocide.


Can't argue with that but it doesn't answer my question, what makes racism "right wing"?

385 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #361 Ward Cleaver

Do you get a free Sham-Wow! with that?

That's what Rumi would exclaim when his muse/lover(?) Shams would finally show up from his extended absences. "Shams! Wow!"

386 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:52:21pm

re: #371 Kosh's Shadow

He's a garden variety thug. He'd fit right in here as a gangbanger.

387 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:52:24pm

re: #380 alegrias

* * * *
In that instance, Harry was moronic, as was anyone who let him wear that fabric on his arm.

Afterwards, Prince Harry served honorably in Afghanistan and wanted to stay there with his military cohorts, until "morons" outed his whereabouts in Afghanistan.

Such a young man who does his duty without whining when he could be a celebrity idiot like so many others, is not such a moron.

Yeah i forgot that. OK I'll retract that.

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:52:32pm

I need to bail, students are going to be confused we're not in the library today.

389 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:52:59pm

re: #343 Kosh's Shadow

Isn't it called the Souza-Baranowski Correctional Institution, or something like that? My wife has met clients in there; she does criminal defense and appeals.

Yes, it is MCI Shirley, Souza Baranowski. All the state prisons in Massachusetts are preceded with MCI (Massachusetts correctional institution) and the town they are in, only the Shirley prison has another name attached, named for some hack who should have been a resident. For instance, my dad used to be assigned to MCI Norfolk, and MCI Concord

390 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:53:00pm

re: #370 Salamantis

Fascists are racists while Communists are classists. For Communists, in theory if not in practice, a pure classless utopian society is achievable without ethnic genocide, but by adopting a different governmental form (the supposedly transitional dictatorship of the proletariat was supposed to wither away after a while, but this never happened). The only way for fascists to achieve their version of utopia, otoh, is to rid themselves of the other races; this of course requires genocide.

Very true. However, communists require a different sort of mass killing than fascists to achieve their goals. While fascists commit racial genocide for racial purity, communists kill people who do not submit to their proletarian society. Many people got sent to the Russian gulags because they did not want to submit to that society.

391 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:53:01pm

re: #312 CapeCoddah

LOL. My husband is being harassed by a bill collector now, on his new cell #.
No matter how hard he tries to explain, they do not believe he is not the woman they are looking for. She had the number before him, apparently.

I got calls literally for years from collection agencies looking for a woman who took out credit cards, maxed them out, and then vanished. She gave various names, but always had the same description. The reason for the calls was that she always gave my phone number.

The reason was interesting. There is a business here in town that has the same digits in its phone number as mine, except that the last two are "reversed' compared to my number. This woman worked there for a time before launghing her cross-country fraud spree. when filling out credit card applications, she wrote in her old employer's address as hers, and put in her old employer's office phone number- with the last two digits reversed, which changed it to my phone number.

They finally nailed her by watching for that address, coupled with my number, to show up on an application. Two years after I suggested they might try it that way.

/Of course, I'm just a dumb ex-lab geek, not a supersmart credit agency honcho.

cheers

eon

392 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:53:17pm

re: #344 Dianna

I love to shoot. I use both hands, of course.

So you're bitterly crush-gripping your gun? And your religion?

393 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:53:45pm

re: #349 Honorary Yooper

Rancher, see my #327. They (communists and fascists) are both collectivists, but they differ in being internationalists versus nationalists. Class versus tribe.

So you equate "tribalism" with "conservatism"? If so why?

394 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:53:48pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

My spam e-mail believes that I am a Christian single with a small penis that I'm insecure about, who wants to go halfsies in cheating a large Nigerian bank.

This guy isn't me, but I believe he should ask his pastor to fix him up with a nice young woman who can take care of the family finances.

You get the same spam I do.

395 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:00pm

re: #131 WriterMom

I like to throw garbage in the garbage can instead of the recycle box sometimes just to watch the lefties at work go nuts.

You maniac! I do that too.

396 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

The four-eyed people. (Among others.)

397 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:20pm


Chavez gave Obama "Idiot's Bible".

Hugo Chavez's gift to President Obama at the recent Summit of the Americas -- a copy of Eduardo Galeano's "Open Veins of Latin America" -- has many people wondering what the fuss is about.

A decade ago, I and the other two co-authors of the "Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot" devoted a chapter to refuting the historical and ideological fallacies contained in Galeano's tract, which we called the "idiot's bible." Everything that has happened in the Western Hemisphere since the book appeared in 1971 has belied Galeano's arguments and predictions. But I guess Chavez has given it the kiss of life and, since people are asking, here I go again.

The author claims that relations between Latin America and rich countries have been so pernicious that "everything ... has always been transmuted into European -- and later United States -- capital." Actually, for years that relationship has transmuted into the exact opposite: Latin American capital. In the last seven years alone, Latin America has benefited from $300 billion in net capital flows. In other words, a lot more capital came in than went out.

The book rails against the international division of labor, in which "some countries specialize in winning and others in losing." That division of labor in the Western Hemisphere has not changed -- Latin American countries still export commodities -- and yet in the last six years, poverty in the region has been reduced to about one-third of the population, from just under half. This means that 40 million were lifted out of that hideous condition. Not to mention the 400 million pulled out of poverty in other "losing" nations worldwide in the last couple of decades.

The author pontificates that "raw materials and food are destined for rich countries that benefit more from consuming them more than Latin America does from producing them." Sorry, amigo, but the story of this decade is that Latin America has made a killing sending exports abroad -- the region has had a current account surplus for many years. Rich countries are so annoyed with all the things poor countries are exporting to them that they are asking their governments to "protect" them in the name of fair trade. The "buy American" clause in the fiscal stimulus package approved by Congress a few weeks ago is a case in point. The U.S. had a trade deficit of more than $800 billion last year. The poor, if I may echo Galeano's hemophilic language, are sucking the veins of the rich.

398 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:23pm

re: #352 Kosh's Shadow

Like the pedophile priest that got killed in prison?

He better not bend over to pick up the soap.

yep, just like Geoghan.

399 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:23pm
400 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:25pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

None. The western-educated classes were targeted by the Communist butcher Pol Pot, because they were considered to be terminally infected with capitalist bourgeoise ideology. What is ironic about this is that Pol Pot himself was western-educated, at the French Sorbonne.

401 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:54:38pm

re: #332 jcm

Send a copy of the bill with via certified letter, redact the address if you want to.

Next time they call tell them they received proof this number is not the person they want, any further calls will be considered harassment and dealt with via legal means.

I've had to do that a couple of times for collections getting the wrong information. Worked for me.

Or, just ignore them, and let them sue the phone. Me, I wouldn't waste the cost of a certified letter or my time writing and mailing it in such circumstances. I'd call my phone company and report it as harassment.

Another interesting approach: point out to them that they are releasing private financial information by revealing anything at all to you about this person, which starts drifting into Federal territory.

402 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:55:23pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

TEENAGE PIRATES MOM ASKS OBAMA TO RELEASE HER SON

She says he was "corrupted" by the other pirates

Tell you what, Mrs Pirates Mom. Tell your sons "freinds" to release the 30 + hostages they currently hold and see how soon they're released !

She wants Obama to fly her over for the trial. I am guessing that she would never leave.

403 Guanxi88  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:55:28pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

Cambodians, mostly.

404 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:55:35pm

re: #391 eon

The reason was interesting. There is a business here in town that has the same digits in its phone number as mine, except that the last two are "reversed' compared to my number

I fairly frequently get calls for a VERY prominent politician here in DC (I won't say who), for a similar reason. My favorites are the ones who, even after I've explained that I'm not that person, this number has nothing to do with that person... demand that I deliver a message for them anyway.

405 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:55:37pm

re: #396 Occasional Reader

The four-eyed people. (Among others.)

I had a neighbor who survived it. Just curious; Pol Pot did not seem to be a right-winger.

406 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:55:45pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

It was social engineering to create a proletarian society. People who did not want to submit wound up dead. Hence, the Khmer Rouge was a collectivist group that focused on class.

407 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #402 opnion

She wants Obama to fly her over for the trial. I am guessing that she would never leave.

Maybe she can stay with Obama's illegal aunt?

408 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:56:21pm

re: #375 lostlakehiker

I'm uncomfortable with the current fashion for putting GoV and Stormfront in the same ideological bin. While both sites partake of extremism, GoV supports Israel, which, without having to go visit and check, I will confidently predict Stormfront does not.

No; rather than say all Jews are evil, as Stormfront does, sites like GoV and BJ say all Muslims are evil. It's the same mindset applied to a different target.

409 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:56:42pm

re: #375 lostlakehiker

I'm uncomfortable with the current fashion for putting GoV and Stormfront in the same ideological bin. While both sites partake of extremism, GoV supports Israel, which, without having to go visit and check, I will confidently predict Stormfront does not.

Some at Stormfront do, there are factions at even there. Some there are trying to take the same tack that VB, and now BNP are. Overt anti semitism verboten, on the surface we support Israel. It's a small faction but gaining. They are still racist slime underneath it all, it's just that Muslims and blacks happen to be their larger target right now.
David Duke's campaign manager summed it up by saying: "These people (in Louisiana) don't care about Jews, He needs to stick to blacks..."

410 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:57:31pm

Yanks no go to the bottom of the 14th. And still no phone call.

411 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:57:32pm
412 kansas  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:57:40pm

...the unethical leftist hate site Gawker.com...

Other than smearing Charles, it sounded a lot like Media matters.

413 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:57:43pm

re: #393 Rancher

So you equate "tribalism" with "conservatism"? If so why?

If you use one axis, tribalism is concerned with conserving the tribe. At its extreme, it is concerned with tribal purity. Classism is interested in molding people into a single class out of many tribes.

414 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:57:56pm

re: #397 HelloDare

Is this passage from Alvaro Vargas Llosa?

415 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:58:20pm

re: #400 Salamantis

None. The western-educated classes were targeted by the Communist butcher Pol Pot, because they were considered to be terminally infected with capitalist bourgeoise ideology. What is ironic about this is that Pol Pot himself was western-educated, at the French Sorbonne.


Ah the French, they gave us Ho Chi Minh also, as well as the whole Vietnam conflict.

416 Guanxi88  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:58:45pm

re: #414 Occasional Reader

Is this passage from Alvaro Vargas Llosa?

Well, it's ain't a passage from Catalonia?

417 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:58:57pm

re: #405 OldLineTexan

I had a neighbor who survived it. Just curious; Pol Pot did not seem to be a right-winger.

Stalin's probably a better example of a leftist who attacked gleefully based on "ethnicity". Breaker of Nations and all that.

418 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:58:57pm
419 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:23pm

Lots of hate mail coming in again today. The creeps are all lathered up out there.

420 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:25pm

As I continue to point out, Nazis are collectivists, and thus are motivated by leftist ideology. Collectivism in combination with racism equates to Nazism. It also is what allows for multiculturalism, so hey.

Individualism can not support Nazism, not even remotely. Every individual is given inalienable rights, period. So, if you consider "right wing" to mean support for individual rights, then it is logically protected from any form of collectivism, including racism.

421 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:41pm
422 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:45pm

Humans make Earth Day better

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Short video worth the watch

423 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:56pm

re: #335 Nevergiveup

Wasn't he arrested in Ct.? Near Foxwoods?

No, he was arrested on 95 South between 128 and 495. Not sure of the exact spot. They were headed to Foxwoods.

424 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:57pm

re: #419 Charles

Lots of hate mail coming in again today. The creeps are all lathered up out there.

Thanks for that mental image, Charles.

425 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 2:59:59pm

re: #419 Charles

Lots of hate mail coming in again today. The creeps are all lathered up out there.

Any of it share worthy?

426 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:00:00pm

re: #352 Kosh's Shadow

Like the pedophile priest that got killed in prison?

He better not bend over to pick up the soap.

Is that how he got killed? ;)

427 kansas  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:00:38pm

re: #419 Charles

Lots of hate mail coming in again today. The creeps are all lathered up out there.

Is their soap on a rope?

428 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:01:12pm

re: #413 Honorary Yooper

If you use one axis, tribalism is concerned with conserving the tribe. At its extreme, it is concerned with tribal purity. Classism is interested in molding people into a single class out of many tribes.

OK, at least now I know why they may be considered "right wing" although I think the reasoning is tenuous.

429 J.S.  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I've listened to CBC radio broadcasts (when Arafat was alive) and heard nuns (Catholic ones) ranting about "the wall" and the evil of Israelis...(and not just one report, but over and over again -- I got the impression that the Palestinian Christians were completely politicized and pro-Arab...it certainly did not sound as if their hatred was a result of "coercion" or forced out of them...I also recall the Vatican issuing a eulogy for Arafat when he died, etc. So, at this point, I take it as par for the course if a pope not just accepts a Kiffiyeh, but wears one...with all of its political symbolism intact).

430 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:01:21pm

re: #359 Nevergiveup

Or join the other team for good

Ah...no

431 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:01:52pm

re: #419 Charles

Lots of hate mail coming in again today. The creeps are all lathered up out there.

I didn't know they used soap.

432 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:02:19pm

"The word for this kind of tactic is 'lying.'”

Some of them call it "shaping opinion."

433 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:02:27pm

re: #430 CapeCoddah

Ah...no

Not you, her!

434 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:02:28pm

re: #186 Dianna

The best parallel parker I ever met was my grandmother.

Given my rotten depth perception, I tend to avoid it.

I can do it, but it's so noisy.

435 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:02:42pm

re: #426 Soona'

Is that how he got killed? ;)

A bar fight?

436 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:02:47pm

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

Blocked account for one post you didnt agree with? You should take
Husseins organ out of your ass...you are starting to like it.

437 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:02:52pm

re: #365 Nevergiveup

Well as a dad of 2 daughters, I think it should always be left up to the dad.
/actually I'm dead serious

As the parents of two daughters, we both concur wholeheartedly.

438 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:03:16pm

re: #434 debutaunt

I can do it, but it's so noisy.

Mind your own business... don't be a Noisy Parker.

439 JHW  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:03:18pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

These people were targeted too. Cham People. There's quite a community of them in central Vietnam also. Most of them are Muslims of what appears to me to be of a fairly mild variety. A while back I posted a German film documentary in the spin-off links, that actually showed them raising pigs to sell to their non-Muslim neighbors.

440 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #390 Honorary Yooper

Very true. However, communists require a different sort of mass killing than fascists to achieve their goals. While fascists commit racial genocide for racial purity, communists kill people who do not submit to their proletarian society. Many people got sent to the Russian gulags because they did not want to submit to that society.

But didn't that also happen in Hitler's fascist government?

441 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:03:25pm

re: #436 Charles

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

I wonder why you banned them...

442 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:03:37pm

re: #434 debutaunt

I can do it, but it's so noisy.

Noisy?


*okay, I'll bite*

443 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:03:59pm

re: #426 Soona'

Is that how he got killed? ;)

No, another prisoner managed to jam Geoghan's cell door and attacked him with a homemade knife.
But Markoff is probably more "desirable" to those stuck in prison.

444 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #436 Charles

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

Too bad we can down-ding the hate mail.

445 kansas  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #436 Charles


I thought you played guitar?

446 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:20pm

re: #436 Charles

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

Classy.

("Hussein's Organ"... is that a sequel to "Corelli's Mandolin"?)

447 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:25pm

re: #411 taxfreekiller

April 22 2009 5:00 Central Time:

Do you know where the snow is.

Ah, yea, 30 miles west of here at my girlfriends house in the Rocky Mountains, there is about 6 inches left on the ground, down from the almost 3 feet from this past weekend's snowstorm.

Why do you ask?

448 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:28pm

Yanks win with walk off 2 run homer bottom 14th melky cabrera

449 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:40pm

re: #444 The Other Les

PIMF!

Too bad we Cannot down-ding the hate mail.

450 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:04:44pm

re: #375 lostlakehiker

I'm uncomfortable with the current fashion for putting GoV and Stormfront in the same ideological bin. While both sites partake of extremism, GoV supports Israel, which, without having to go visit and check, I will confidently predict Stormfront does not.

Israel does not need friends like that. No one does.

451 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:05:10pm

re: #392 Occasional Reader

So you're bitterly crush-gripping your gun? And your religion?

Probably. Don't both come with a grip safety?

452 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:05:25pm

re: #434 debutaunt

re: #186 Dianna

The best parallel parker I ever met was my grandmother.

Given my rotten depth perception, I tend to avoid it.

I can do it, but it's so noisy.

You just need the correct guide.

453 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:05:55pm

re: #436 Charles

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

There's something so compelling about a carefully crafted, thoroughly reasoned response.

454 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:06:09pm

re: #376 Kosh's Shadow

We make sure our dogs approve of my daughter's boyfriends.
All seven dogs like her current one, now her fiance. He has just finished the Maryland state police academy, and wants to work with the helicopter EMT group.

Dogs rock. They are always right on, and we would be foolish to ignore them. If someone comes to my door, and my dogs do not like them, they are asked to leave immediately. I don't care what they want.

455 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #452 solomonpanting

You just need the correct guide.

to bad he stopped being funny and started sleeping with his kids.

456 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:06:38pm

re: #436 Charles

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

Give this guy his own website. That would be fun.

457 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:06:53pm

re: #400 Salamantis

None. The western-educated classes were targeted by the Communist butcher Pol Pot, because they were considered to be terminally infected with capitalist bourgeoise ideology. What is ironic about this is that Pol Pot himself was western-educated, at the French Sorbonne.

Ho Chi Minh was French University educated as well. It was there that he becme indoctrinated with Marxism.

458 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:07:00pm

re: #384 Rancher

Can't argue with that but it doesn't answer my question, what makes racism "right wing"?

I've already pointed out to you that left and right, as embodied in Communism and Fascism, their extreme variants (Communism being derived by Marx from Hegel through Feuerbach and Fascism being derived by Hitler from Hegel through Haeckel and Nietszche - although each misrepresented the concepts of their predecessors for their own purposes), are two versions of collectivism, the former focusing on classes and thus being universalist and internationalist and the latter focusing on tribes and thus being ethnocentrist (which geopolitically translates to nationalist) and racist. Mussolini appealed to the glory of old Rome. Hitler appealed to the Aryan Volk. Hirohito appealed to Japanese racial supremacy over not only caucasians and blacks, but also over other asians. More recently, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic appealed to Serbian ethnocentrism.

459 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:07:04pm

re: #153 Salamantis

I don't think I can say this enough, Nazis, or rather National Socialists, are far closer ideologically to the left than the right.


Nope. Communists and Fascists are both on the collectivist extreme of the individualist-collectivist spectrum (anarchists being on the individualist extreme), but Communists are left-human-universalist internationalist collectivists, while Fascists are right-tribalist ethnocentic racist nationalist collectivists.


you know what? You're both right.
Communists and Fascists might be on the opposite end of the left-right International vs National axis, but as far as formulating their policies and what living in one is like, that isn't a very important axis, and they are both much more similar to each other than American values, what is somehow lumped in with Nazis as "right-wing" in contemporary western discourse.

Which is probably what the hubbub is about regarding objecting to calling Nazi's right wing; really the problem is the underlying assumption that this left/right stuff is as explanatory as it is assumed to be.

460 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:07:10pm

re: #436 Charles

Was that the soldier who didn't think we should be so quick to reject nazi allies?

461 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:07:39pm

autographed glossies...$$$ cha-ching!

462 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:06pm

re: #176 alegrias

* * *
Thank you for paraphrasing Rohrabacher's retort to that Hillary crack. He's got guts.

I shouldn't even go there

463 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:08pm

re: #455 Nevergiveup

to bad he stopped being funny and started sleeping with his kids.

Whereas I agree with your statement, 47% in my state don't.

464 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:10pm
465 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:16pm

This discussion of parallel parking reminded me of when I had a summer job as an office boy and had to parallel park a company station wagon in Kenmore Square in Boston, when I took copy to their ad agency.
The station wagon was early 1970's, and seemed to be the size of an aircraft carrier.
But being a station wagon, it was easier to see where the rear of the car was, because the rear window is in the tailgate. No damage to their car, or to the executive's Monte Carlo I took another time.

466 opnion  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:31pm

re: #407 Nevergiveup

Maybe she can stay with Obama's illegal aunt?

Yeah, they could be room mates.

467 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:49pm

re: #463 solomonpanting

Whereas I agree with your statement, 47% in my state don't.

What do you mean? You kinda lost me.

468 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:52pm

We are now batshit crazy honcos, complete with accolytes. I got more vest patches than a Hells Angel has tatoos.

John Cook = Classiculis Lefticulus Moonbatian.

469 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:08:53pm

re: #404 Occasional Reader

I fairly frequently get calls for a VERY prominent politician here in DC (I won't say who), for a similar reason. My favorites are the ones who, even after I've explained that I'm not that person, this number has nothing to do with that person... demand that I deliver a message for them anyway.

I would tell them OK, and take the message. It would never get there, but I would take it.

470 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:04pm

re: #400 Salamantis

None. The western-educated classes were targeted by the Communist butcher Pol Pot, because they were considered to be terminally infected with capitalist bourgeoise ideology. What is ironic about this is that Pol Pot himself was western-educated, at the French Sorbonne.

The genocide was the point. A nice Utopian genocide.

471 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #172 Salamantis

OT: Obama actually got something else right:

Indeed, this is very good news. Funny though, I seem to remember another President pushing for this recently.

472 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:21pm

Hillary Clinton blames Pakistan government for abdicating to the Taliban.
She says the Pakistan government is corrupt.
Ouch.
But she was amused by Chavez' grabbing Obama's hands.

Fox news Brent Baer

473 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:27pm

re: #454 CapeCoddah

Dogs rock. They are always right on, and we would be foolish to ignore them. If someone comes to my door, and my dogs do not like them, they are asked to leave immediately. I don't care what they want.


They can also sniff out Terminators.

474 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:40pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

Was that the soldier who didn't think we should be so quick to reject nazi allies?

No - this is a creep who posted a comment that I was "self-righteous," and "hitting the Obama Kool-Aid," for pointing out that one of the main tea party organizers is a Paulian who publishes articles at kook sites.

475 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:41pm

re: #406 Honorary Yooper

It was social engineering to create a proletarian society. People who did not want to submit wound up dead. Hence, the Khmer Rouge was a collectivist group that focused on class.

I know a bit about it, but thanks. The question had a different point.

476 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:46pm

re: #451 Dianna

Probably. Don't both come with a grip safety?

Perhaps... I'll have to consult a Latin American bishop on matters of Cañón Law.

(see, 'cause it's Spanish for "barrel", and... gah, explaining jokes sucks!)

477 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:49pm

go plant some flowers and BOOM! ya miss the parking thread...
I tells ya...

478 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:09:56pm

Charles in another life:

479 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:14pm

re: #464 Iron Fist

I'm intentionally hard to get by phone. My cell phone is on vibrate all the time. I don't have my voicemail set up and my cell stays in my jeans at home. (I usually wear shorts or workout pants at home)

480 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:27pm

re: #376 Kosh's Shadow

We make sure our dogs approve of my daughter's boyfriends.
All seven dogs like her current one, now her fiance. He has just finished the Maryland state police academy, and wants to work with the helicopter EMT group.

Meeting the GF's Doberman was a treat. We hit it off big time. Good thing.

481 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:28pm

One year ago today: Hillary Beat Obama in Pennsylvania Primary.
She was Annie Oakely, Annie Get Your Gun back in the day, April 22, 2008

482 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:40pm

re: #433 Nevergiveup

Not you, her!

LOL.

483 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:45pm

re: #448 Nevergiveup

Yanks win with walk off 2 run homer bottom 14th melky cabrera

Damn Yankee's!

484 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:56pm

re: #474 Charles

No - this is a creep who posted a comment that I was "self-righteous," and "hitting the Obama Kool-Aid," for pointing out that one of the main tea party organizers is a Paulian who publishes articles at kook sites.

Wow. The sentiment seems so similar- it's a little freaky.

485 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:10:59pm
486 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:11:24pm

re: #436 Charles

A lot of the hate mailers like to put friendly-sounding titles on their emails, to get me to read them. Here's one titled "hi!"...

Class. Cannot teach it, cannot buy it.

487 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:11:31pm

re: #467 Nevergiveup

What do you mean? You kinda lost me.

Results from last November.

488 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #454 CapeCoddah

Dogs rock. They are always right on, and we would be foolish to ignore them. If someone comes to my door, and my dogs do not like them, they are asked to leave immediately. I don't care what they want.

Totally concur. We once owned the Happiest Dog On Earth, who loved everyone to death. Once day when my wife was home alone, a woman came to the door, peddling something; her partner was across the street working another house. For the first and only time in that sweet dog's life, the fur on her back went straight up, her teeth were bared and she was growling, absolutely fixated on this woman. At 65 pounds, she was pretty intimidating, and the woman left. My wife was shocked at the dog's behavior.

A couple days later, the local paper published a story about a pair of woman who were arrested for B&Es in the area, seeing who was home - and who wasn't - by posing as door-to-door salespeople. They'd find an empty house, and the second of the pair would act as lookout while the first broke in and grabbed whatever was easily available.

Good dog.

489 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:12:06pm

re: #438 Occasional Reader

Mind your own business... don't be a Noisy Parker.

Charlie Parker's less-successful tone-deaf brother.

490 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:12:27pm

re: #483 jcm

Damn Yankee's!

491 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:12:38pm

re: #474 Charles

See the end on the open thread.

492 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:12:48pm

re: #448 Nevergiveup

Yanks win with walk off 2 run homer bottom 14th melky cabrera

What's a "melky cabrera." (asking carefully)

493 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:12:48pm

re: #464 Iron Fist

Back a few years ago I used to often get calls by bill collecters looking for someone with my first and last name (I have a very common combination of the two). It got really old, especially when they we, for example, looking for a guy who'd served in WWII, or someone born in, say, 1957. And so forth. I've had them try to get me to pay for the other guys debt, even. That's when I'd just hang up. I wound up getting caller ID so I wouldn't be bothered with them.

Got you beat there, I had an arrest warrant sent to my address for a guy with the same first and last name as mine and same birthday. Different middle name. Middle name was not considered exculpatory.

That was an interesting day out of my life to clear that one up.

494 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:12:57pm

re: #485 Iron Fist

So what days are open in the pool for when Obama brings her over? You just know it is going to happen. We aren't fighting a war any more, nor really a police action. It is a farce, and a bad one at that.

IF ... a friggin joke ...

495 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:13:02pm

re: #487 solomonpanting

Results from last November.

OK thanks

496 tradewind  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:13:10pm

Charles,
Take comfort in the fact that they often get hoisted by their own petards. Our local Gawker contribuor who posted Sarah Palin's emails is under federal indictment as we speak, and he's a mere college kid ... son of a local Democrat pol.

497 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:13:15pm
498 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:13:41pm

re: #492 Walter L. Newton

What's a "melky cabrera." (asking carefully)

A young kid on the team. he had 2 home runs today

499 Kobalt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:13:44pm

give 'im hell charles!
Idiots!

500 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:14:27pm

re: #492 Walter L. Newton

What's a "melky cabrera." (asking carefully)

You've heard of a "dirty sanchez", right? Well, this is worse.

501 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:14:38pm

re: #499 Kobalt

give 'im hell charles!
Idiots!

you make house calls?

502 tradewind  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #497 buzzsawmonkey

She can bunk in with Obama's Auntie.

503 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:14:52pm

re: #476 Occasional Reader

Perhaps... I'll have to consult a Latin American bishop on matters of Cañón Law.

(see, 'cause it's Spanish for "barrel", and... gah, explaining jokes sucks!)

I did the best I could to lob it right over the plate, OR.

504 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:15:12pm

re: #497 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure if she comes over--and put up in a hotel at public expense--she'll be Waldorf from public scrutiny.

That's astoria don't hear much about these days.

505 yochanan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:15:15pm

re: #327 Honorary Yooper

good one h.y.

506 jcm  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:15:31pm

re: #490 Nevergiveup

Everytime Seattle gets to the playoff, there are those Damn Yankees!

I would if Obama would support spreading the World Series wins around?
///

507 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:16:13pm

re: #500 Occasional Reader

You've heard of a "dirty sanchez", right? Well, this is worse.

Wrong. I don't know nothing about baseball.

508 The Hoopster  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #498 Nevergiveup

A young kid on the team. he had 2 home runs today

How the Heck did the Marlins put together a world class pitching staff?
I didn't see coming...Maybe they will be this years Tampa Bay.

509 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:16:46pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

That's astoria don't hear much about these days.

But if she and 0bama's aunt were together, they could Sheraton of stories about Africa.

510 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:16:53pm
511 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:17:08pm

re: #493 rawmuse

Got you beat there, I had an arrest warrant sent to my address for a guy with the same first and last name as mine and same birthday

You guys are making me happy, for the first time in my life, that my real name is Gaylord H.L. Poopypants IV. See, those sorts of mistakes just never happen with me.

512 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:17:11pm
513 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

That's astoria don't hear much about these days.

Oh, but one would have back in the salad days.

514 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:17:41pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

That's astoria don't hear much about these days.

DC is a great place to have a holiday in...

515 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:17:49pm

re: #454 CapeCoddah

Dogs rock. They are always right on, and we would be foolish to ignore them. If someone comes to my door, and my dogs do not like them, they are asked to leave immediately. I don't care what they want.

Too bad that I probably would never be allowed entry into your house.
As a teenager I stayed at a Welsh mansion that had three male guard dogs. One afternoon, I was unaware of the dogs being close to the entrance of the mansion, I ran down the drive alley of said mansion in order to fetch something I left close to the entrance. As I approached the dogs were already (2 behind and one coming from the front) encircled without my direct knowledge. When they finally closed in they had their fangs bared and the only option for me was to jump into a nearby tree.
Since then all dogs bigger than a spaniel will reflexively call on a smell reaction of mine that tells every dog to be bold towards me.
Too bad.
Harry C.

516 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:18:06pm

Whoa,
During testimony in Congress today,
the new EPA head says it's a JOBs bill, this Cap & Trade clean air thingy.
She's gonna make millions of jobs. Out of thin green air.

517 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:18:09pm

Looks like the F-22 is biting the bullet.
Bummer.

518 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:18:20pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

How the Heck did the Marlins put together a world class pitching staff?
I didn't see coming...Maybe they will be this years Tampa Bay.

They trade away there soon to be stars since they can't afford them and stockpile young players and pitchers and sometimes the stars align?

519 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:18:42pm

re: #517 DEZes

Looks like the F-22 is biting the bullet.
Bummer.

WHAT?! Both the F-22 and the F-35?!

520 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:18:55pm

re: #517 DEZes

Looks like the F-22 is biting the bullet.
Bummer.

What more bad news?

521 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:19:19pm

re: #519 ConservatismNow!

WHAT?! Both the F-22 and the F-35?!

The F-35 is safe as far as I know.

522 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #509 Kosh's Shadow

But if she and 0bama's aunt were together, they could Sheraton of stories about Africa.

It would be a great photo op for one of those highfalutin' photographers! Like Herb Ritz, for instance.

523 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:19:25pm

re: #519 ConservatismNow!

WHAT?! Both the F-22 and the F-35?!

The F-35 is still on line for production-both here and in China

524 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:19:45pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

What ethnicity was targeted in the Cambodian genocide?

Communists are specialists at what Dennis Prager terms the auto-genocide, since there's always someone a little better off than the rest.

525 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:20:00pm

re: #517 DEZes

Looks like the F-22 is biting the bullet.
Bummer.

I say we revoke the 8 billion in earmarks and use that money to finace another squadron of them.

526 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:20:14pm

re: #420 Archimedes

As I continue to point out, Nazis are collectivists, and thus are motivated by leftist ideology. Collectivism in combination with racism equates to Nazism. It also is what allows for multiculturalism, so hey.

Individualism can not support Nazism, not even remotely. Every individual is given inalienable rights, period. So, if you consider "right wing" to mean support for individual rights, then it is logically protected from any form of collectivism, including racism.

I think that people are confusing classical Burkean conservatives with what is commonly known as the right wing. Conservatism means simply to objectively and dispassionately evaluate, and to conserve what works while carefully trying other approaches for what does not work. Classical conservatism is no more inherently fascist leaning than classical liberalism (root word - liberty) is leftist or socialist or communist leaning. But just as classist collectivist leftists have infiltrated the Democratic ranks and attempted to usurp the label of liberal, so are racist collectivist rightists attempting to infiltrate Republican ranks and usurp the label of conservative.

William F. Buckley rebuffed such an attempt before (with the John Birchers); we should not allow the Paulians and others of their ilk to take up their mantle and succeed.

527 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:20:28pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

That's astoria don't hear much about these days.

Her even asking should sound the clarion.

528 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:20:40pm

re: #520 Nevergiveup

What more bad news?

Damn fine plane, I feel kinda sad.

529 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:10pm

re: #523 Nevergiveup

The F-35 is still on line for production-both here and in China

I thought the F-35 was going out of production after the current orders are filled

530 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

How the Heck did the Marlins put together a world class pitching staff?
I didn't see coming...Maybe they will be this years Tampa Bay.

Naw- the Marlins were Last Year's Tampa Bay well before last year's Tampa Bay. It seems to be cyclical- every 5 years or so.

Certain other teams have managed to do well picking up key components of their previous playoff/championship runs

*coughcough* Beckett
*coughcough* Lowell

531 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:16pm

re: #517 DEZes

Looks like the F-22 is biting the bullet.
Bummer.

What's your source?

Meaning, the Gates recommendations to end production at 178 (or whatever) are accepted?

532 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:28pm

re: #459 nikis-knight

you know what? You're both right.
Communists and Fascists might be on the opposite end of the left-right International vs National axis, but as far as formulating their policies and what living in one is like, that isn't a very important axis, and they are both much more similar to each other than American values, what is somehow lumped in with Nazis as "right-wing" in contemporary western discourse.

Which is probably what the hubbub is about regarding objecting to calling Nazi's right wing; really the problem is the underlying assumption that this left/right stuff is as explanatory as it is assumed to be.

The terms "right-wing" and "left-wing" themselves come from an erroneous interpretation of a historical accident.

In the timespan in the French Revolutionary period between the revolt of the petit'-bourgeois (small business, farmers, etc.) against the absolute control of the privilegies' (nobility) in the States-General (legislature) in 1788-89 and the full-on deposing and execution of King Louis XVI in 1793, in the legislative hall at the National Assembly in Paris, the competing groups (revolutionaries, nobles, poor bloody common folk caught in the crossfire) tended to congregate on opposite sides of the hall. As seen from the speaker's podium up front, the hardcore revolutionaries were to the speaker's left, and the nobility were equally tightly bunched to his right. Hence the terms "left-wing" and "right-wing" that are still used today.

The punch line is that in this case, the nobility were not noticeably less thuggish than the revolutionaries.

Ref- The French Revolution; Its Causes, Its History, And Its Legacy After 200 Years, by Prof. George Rude' (1988).

Probably one of the most readable, most informative, and least confusing books on its subject there is.

cheers

eon

533 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:45pm

re: #511 Occasional Reader

You guys are making me happy, for the first time in my life, that my real name is Gaylord H.L. Poopypants IV. See, those sorts of mistakes just never happen with me.

There was someone else with that name, but he changed it to Engelbert Humperdinck.

534 yochanan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:52pm

re: #458 Salamantis

part of the serbian response was a reaction to the fascism that came from the croats during ww2 in the most recent civil wars there were war crimes commited by all sides so a pox upon all there houses but before this I did have some feelings in support of the serbs.

535 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:21:56pm

Obama Administration Wants Judge to Toss Embassy Hostage Suit
In court papers filed Tuesday night without any announcement, the Justice Department argued that the agreement to release the hostages, known as the Algiers Accords, precluded lawsuits against Iran.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

536 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:22:23pm

re: #519 ConservatismNow!

WHAT?! Both the F-22 and the F-35?!

The F-35 isn't threatened by budget cuts. It's a victim of shoddy security. Someone (like CHINA) managed to download terabytes of data on the plane from some computer network, which may seriously compromise it's effectiveness if it allows the development of countermeasures.

537 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:22:24pm

re: #531 Occasional Reader

What's your source?

Meaning, the Gates recommendations to end production at 178 (or whatever) are accepted?

[Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

538 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:22:30pm

re: #510 Iron Fist

Remember Al Gore hiring a woman to train him to be an Alpha Male? That alone should have had Gore laughed out of the running for President. I'd suggest he try commedy, but his personality, such as it is, just wouldn't work for commedy. He could teach "wooden" to a cigar store indian.

* * **
Gore's unsuccessful trainer in Alpha maleism was Naomi Wolf or something like. Looked just like Monica Lewinsky!

539 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:22:50pm

[ Just got this email from United Airlines ]

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540 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:22:55pm

re: #529 ConservatismNow!

I thought the F-35 was going out of production after the current orders are filled

No. That is the F-22 and the "current orders" were severly cut back!

541 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:23:01pm

re: #458 Salamantis

I've already pointed out to you that left and right, as embodied in Communism and Fascism, their extreme variants (Communism being derived by Marx from Hegel through Feuerbach and Fascism being derived by Hitler from Hegel through Haeckel and Nietszche - although each misrepresented the concepts of their predecessors for their own purposes), are two versions of collectivism, the former focusing on classes and thus being universalist and internationalist and the latter focusing on tribes and thus being ethnocentrist (which geopolitically translates to nationalist) and racist. Mussolini appealed to the glory of old Rome. Hitler appealed to the Aryan Volk. Hirohito appealed to Japanese racial supremacy over not only caucasians and blacks, but also over other asians. More recently, Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic appealed to Serbian ethnocentrism.


I think I get it now, Honorary Yooper makes the same argument, tribalism=nationalism=conservatism. Not sure I fully agree but it least I see where you're coming from. Interesting you bring up Mussolini, he started as a socialist. Jonah Goldberg of National Review has a book out called: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning. Haven't read it yet but I think he and I have a bit of the same outlook on this.

542 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:23:05pm

re: #509 Kosh's Shadow

But if she and 0bama's aunt were together, they could Sheraton of stories about Africa.


Hopefully she is able to bunk with 0bama's aunt- otherwise she'd have to search Hyatt low for a place to stay.

543 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:23:19pm

re: #440 Soona'

But didn't that also happen in Hitler's fascist government?

They tended to imprison, and either exterminate or work to death, members of groups they didn't like. Jews. Gypsies. Homosexuals.

544 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:23:33pm

Update from the previous thread: The antisemitic Paulian Tea Party organizer flexes her muscle...
Response in GOP/tea party/anti-Semitism flap


While the image was provocative, it represents a point made by many people before: U.S. financial aid for the Israeli government which comes from U.S. taxpayers, funds the harsh handling, and sadly, the death of innocent Palestinians.

However Mr. Nehring’s putting the words “Ron Paul”, “fringe” and “anti-semitism” in his press release as his interpretation of this graphic’s message was unfortunate. It is important not to equate non-interventionism with anti-semitism.
...
One irony in this matter cannot be overlooked. A large, growing contingent of Ron Paul supporters has been elected to Republican County Central Committees throughout California. By indirectly smearing them, Mr. Nehring harms his own party.

545 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:23:36pm

re: #538 alegrias

* * **
Gore's unsuccessful trainer in Alpha maleism was Naomi Wolf or something like. Looked just like Monica Lewinsky!

So she's the one who taught him to bellow everything?

546 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:24:00pm
547 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:24:11pm

re: #533 solomonpanting

There was someone else with that name, but he changed it to Engelbert Humperdinck.

And, almost unthinkably, there were two people who went by that name.

548 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:24:35pm

re: #542 Fenway_Nation

Hopefully she is able to bunk with 0bama's aunt- otherwise she'd have to search Hyatt low for a place to stay.

Depends where she'd be HolidayInn.

549 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:24:42pm

re: #545 Occasional Reader

So she's the one who taught him to bellow everything?

He's imitating the endangered elephant seal.

550 reggie  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:24:51pm

OT: I'm watching the weirdest thing on C-SPAN right now. It's live. Several R's are in the chamber, one has the floor, and he's basically interviewing the others as if it were some radio show. And the topic is all about how Obama's budget is screwy. I have never seen this before, and it is really cool.

551 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:25:00pm

F-22?...pffft
we need to be saved from ourselves and the money will now fund the Hopey Obot Legions...expect a visit from them to secure your allegience

552 MrTunes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:25:02pm

It appears the disease is spreading. The disease of accusing conservatives of incendiary racist opinions/behavior in order to avoid debate about actual differences in opinion.

Others suffering besides Mr. Cook :

Barack Obama
Janeane Garofalo

553 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:25:19pm

re: #523 Nevergiveup

The F-35 is still on line for production-both here and in China

Wow! You mean our ally, China will get them too? (this administration is sooo stupid)

554 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:25:19pm

re: #539 HelloDare

Protecting the environment is important to United and an issue that we know is important to you, our valued customers

"Valued" customers? United?!

BWAAAHAHAHAHA

555 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:25:56pm

re: #516 alegrias

Whoa,
During testimony in Congress today,
the new EPA head says it's a JOBs bill, this Cap & Trade clean air thingy.
She's gonna make millions of jobs. Out of thin green air.

And as Chekov used to say, "And I am the Tsar of All the Russians."

Making something out of nothing is a beautiful theory that is invariably murdered by the facts.

Will we all get free unicorns to pull our pumpkin chariots, too?

///

cheers

eon

556 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:26:09pm
557 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:26:58pm

re: #545 Occasional Reader

So she's the one who taught him to bellow everything?

* * * *
Me, Naomi.
You, Tarzan!

O ao oaoaoa.

558 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:27:50pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

You've got to give Obama credit. When it comes to putting the defense of this country in its place, he sure knows where he wants it.

Dead last. We are so well and truly fucked.

it can be undone...we need to win the House first

559 rollingdivision  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:27:53pm

Problem is in the current environment with so many emotionally tied to Obama, lies are not questioned. In fact there seems to be a mob piling on mentality coming into play supporting lies when they are exposed.

560 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:28:08pm

re: #516 alegrias

Whoa,
During testimony in Congress today,
the new EPA head says it's a JOBs bill, this Cap & Trade clean air thingy.
She's gonna make millions of jobs. Out of thin green air.

But of course... imposing new, crippling taxes on productive businesses always creates jobs. For bankruptcy lawyers, for instance.

561 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:28:55pm

re: #545 Occasional Reader

So she's the one who taught him to bellow everything?


Granted as a young, ignornant twenty-something I wasn't paying the closest attention during the 2000 elections, but I do not remember him shrieking and bellowing like a tent-revival preacher during the campaign like he did when it came to matters of his public 'Bush-lied' or 'your-daily-commute-is-incrementally-wiping -out-the-human-race' screeds.

562 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

You've got to give Obama credit. When it comes to putting the defense of this country in its place, he sure knows where he wants it.

Dead last. We are so well and truly fucked.

The F-35 is a great bird, but is slow as hell compared to the F-22.

Our defense should be top priority, Obama is a dangerous fool.
As is Gates.

563 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:29:54pm

re: #558 albusteve

it can be undone...we need to win the House first

* * *
In ten minutes I'm off to help the first Republicans get elected to the Alexandria City Council, now 100% democrat in highly public housing, lefty country,
where Obama wants to put the GITMO boyz.

Wish our town luck, and try to make a "change" in your neighborhood.
2010 is right around the corner, as John McCain found out today.

Don't waste a day!

564 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:30:04pm
565 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:30:23pm

re: #539 HelloDare

[ Just got this email from United Airlines ]

It’s time to make a difference.

For the cost of a latte, you can offset the carbon emissions from your roundtrip air travel between Chicago and Washington, D.C. – Every Action CountsSM.

I'm glad I fly American.


Dear Mr. xxx,
Protecting the environment is important to United and an issue that we know is important to you, our valued customers. In support of our environmental commitment, we are implementing programs that will make a difference in the air and on the ground – including efficient route and fuel planning, alternative fuels for ground support equipment, and recycling programs.

To complement our operational programs, we have partnered with Conservation International over the course of a decade, in support of its efforts to slow climate change.

Today, along with Conservation International, we are launching a carbon offset program through a new collaborative effort with Sustainable Travel International, a non-profit that provides certified, quality environmental programs to counter the impact of carbon emissions.

Your charitable contribution* will apply towards the offset of carbon emissions from your travels by protecting forests or enabling renewable energy programs. It’s a simple way to make a lasting impact. Donate now


[ Damn. I planted three trees last years. I've got some flying to catch up on.]

566 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:30:31pm

re: #547 SixDegrees

And, almost unthinkably, there were two people who went by that name.

Wasn't one a prince?

567 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:30:36pm

re: #548 solomonpanting

Depends where she'd be HolidayInn.

There are some destinations that are really season-specific in terms of desirability, and others than are good all Four Seasons*.

* my favorite hotel chain, other than the price

568 Dianna  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:31:35pm

I'm out.

Take care!

569 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:31:43pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

You've got to give Obama credit. When it comes to putting the defense of this country in its place, he sure knows where he wants it.

Dead last. We are so well and truly fucked.

Pres. Obama is very good at putting us evil Americans in our place. Just listen to his international apology tours.

570 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:31:49pm

We may not get the F-22 but the technology is still there and will be improved and built upon for the next fighter and administration willing to build it.

571 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:32:04pm

re: #351 eon

The "markers" for a serial killer type are fairly distinctive. He shows several of them.
Ref- Whoever Fights Monsters; My Twenty Years Hunting Serial Killers For The FBI, by Robert K. Ressler and Tom Shactman.

Ressler, along with John Douglas, basically created the FBI Behavioral Crime Investigation Unit, and was the lead investigator on several of the more extreme serial killer cases, notably John Gacy, David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz, and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The book is highly interesting.

Just don't read it late at night.

/Trust me.

cheers

eon

The firm that does my taxes has the name "Bundy" in it - one of those long, multi-partner names. I call them "Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer and Lake".

I don't think they think it's funny.

572 alegrias  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:32:08pm

re: #564 Iron Fist

I always thought it'd have been funny if Gore got shitfaced one night and had a Greeek letter beta tattooed on his forehead.

* * * *
I almost left my foot in Gore's face, many years ago. He had been drinking, with Tipper, at the Spanish Ambassador's Xmas Party in Washington DC,.

Got his fat face too close to the stage!

I coulda been a contender!

573 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:32:08pm

re: #522 Occasional Reader

It would be a great photo op for one of those highfalutin' photographers! Like Herb Ritz, for instance.

Um...Herb Ritz is dayd.

574 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:32:22pm

re: #567 Occasional Reader


Wonder how they're set for tunes- I hear 0bama's aunt has some Super 8 tracks...

575 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:32:35pm

re: #488 SixDegrees

Totally concur. We once owned the Happiest Dog On Earth, who loved everyone to death. Once day when my wife was home alone, a woman came to the door, peddling something; her partner was across the street working another house. For the first and only time in that sweet dog's life, the fur on her back went straight up, her teeth were bared and she was growling, absolutely fixated on this woman. At 65 pounds, she was pretty intimidating, and the woman left. My wife was shocked at the dog's behavior.

A couple days later, the local paper published a story about a pair of woman who were arrested for B&Es in the area, seeing who was home - and who wasn't - by posing as door-to-door salespeople. They'd find an empty house, and the second of the pair would act as lookout while the first broke in and grabbed whatever was easily available.

Good dog.

Damned fine creatures

576 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:32:46pm

re: #551 albusteve

F-22?...pffft
we need to be saved from ourselves and the money will now fund the Hopey Obot Legions...expect a visit from them to secure your allegience

Has anyone heard anything about the zero's private army since the money was passed in the budget bill?

577 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:33:03pm

re: #566 nikis-knight

Wasn't one a prince?

Oops. That actually brings the total to three. But the prince was a fictional character.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

578 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:33:04pm

re: #541 Rancher

I think I get it now, Honorary Yooper makes the same argument, tribalism=nationalism=conservatism. Not sure I fully agree but it least I see where you're coming from. Interesting you bring up Mussolini, he started as a socialist. Jonah Goldberg of National Review has a book out called: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning. Haven't read it yet but I think he and I have a bit of the same outlook on this.

Mussolini started out as a socialist, but he didn't stay that way. He appealed to the populace by promising to return the past glories of imperial Rome. In fact, the very name Fascism comes from a Roman imperial symbol, the fasces, that Mussolini employed (which, btw, can even be seen in US iconography, such as the reverse of the Mercury Dime). It meant strength through united subservience to authority.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

579 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:33:04pm

re: #570 Rancher

We may not get the F-22 but the technology is still there and will be improved and built upon for the next fighter and administration willing to build it.

Nothing is ever that easy. And there is going to be a big fighter gap in the not to distant future.

580 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:34:00pm

re: #573 Russkilitlover

Um...Herb Ritz is dayd.

Plus, his name is Ritts. It was a hotel pun, see.

581 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:34:05pm

re: #557 alegrias

* * * *
Me, Naomi.
You, Tarzan!

O ao oaoaoa.

Gore is more George of the Jungle.
Watch out for that tree! Ooof!

582 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:34:22pm

re: #576 Soona'

Has anyone heard anything about the zero's private army since the money was passed in the budget bill?

Killgore is up to speed on it's non existance

583 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:04pm

re: #579 Nevergiveup

Nothing is ever that easy. And there is going to be a big fighter gap in the not to distant future.

The F-14's are retired and the 22's in limbo, so I have to agree with you.

584 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:07pm

re: #553 Soona'

Wow! You mean our ally, China will get them too? (this administration is sooo stupid)

The German administration as well as leading tech companies were just as stupid.
They sold the Transrapid a German engineered maglev-train to China to be build from Shanghai city to it's airport. As business with China goes the expatriate company has to form a sort of cooperative bond with a Chinese state company. So all the the high-tech that did cost the German taxpayers and those high-tech companies billions to develop are now in Chinese property.
The architects of that deal sold out on Germany.
Harry C.

585 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:24pm

re: #515 callahan23

Too bad that I probably would never be allowed entry into your house.
As a teenager I stayed at a Welsh mansion that had three male guard dogs. One afternoon, I was unaware of the dogs being close to the entrance of the mansion, I ran down the drive alley of said mansion in order to fetch something I left close to the entrance. As I approached the dogs were already (2 behind and one coming from the front) encircled without my direct knowledge. When they finally closed in they had their fangs bared and the only option for me was to jump into a nearby tree.
Since then all dogs bigger than a spaniel will reflexively call on a smell reaction of mine that tells every dog to be bold towards me.
Too bad.
Harry C.

Scared you much? Sound like Mastiffs. They do that quietly surround you thing.

586 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:25pm

Debris in generators delays delivery of Bush

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

Minor glitch. No problem.

587 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:29pm

re: #580 Occasional Reader

Plus, his name is Ritts. It was a hotel pun, see.

right..well we'll leave the light on for ya...(in the event you might see it)

588 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #581 Kosh's Shadow

Gore is more George of the Jungle.
Watch out for that tree! Ooof!

LMAO.

589 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #570 Rancher

We may not get the F-22 but the technology is still there and will be improved and built upon for the next fighter and administration willing to build it.

Yup. Remember the B-1 bomber fiasco from Jimmah's time. Reagen came along and fixed it.

590 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:35:45pm
591 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:36:19pm

re: #576 Soona'

Has anyone heard anything about the zero's private army since the money was passed in the budget bill?

I wasn't aware the media received a bailout.

592 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:36:23pm

re: #582 albusteve

Yes, it's a popular topic at Stormfront and Ron Paul forums.

593 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:36:45pm
594 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:37:27pm

re: #411 taxfreekiller

April 22 2009 5:00 Central Time:

Do you know where the snow is.

No where near the record breaking high temps in my part of the country.

595 yochanan  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:37:28pm

re: #543 Salamantis

you can add soviet POW'S to that list.

596 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:37:36pm

re: #583 DEZes

The F-14's are retired and the 22's in limbo, so I have to agree with you.

Well the F-14s are Navy and their replacements are the F-18s and the F-35s to come on line. But the production of the upgraded F-18s is also being stretched out. The F-22 is really to replace the F-15s.

597 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:37:41pm

re: #579 Nevergiveup

Nothing is ever that easy. And there is going to be a big fighter gap in the not to distant future.

I don't see a "gap" in terms of other air forces having more advanced fighters than we do; more like, the current gap in the other direction will shrink. US pilots will have to fight harder for air superiority in future conflicts. And we'll have to get used to the idea of more dead and captured pilots again. Bad stuff all around.

Shelving the F-22 program is incredibly short-sighted, and from what I'm reading, I'm not optimistic that the F-35 can fully fill the air superiority role.

598 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:38:11pm

re: #590 Iron Fist

The problem is, the next person to try and build it may be called "Premir" instead of "President". If we aren't continuing to try and get ahead in the game, someone else will be trying to pass us. That somebody may be in China or in Russia.

But, hey, at least we have billions to invest in cap-and-trade futures, with Al Gore taking a little cut out of each and every dollar of it. We wouldn't want Gore to starve, now would we?

And Kerry is out to save failing newspapers.
I need a drink.

599 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:38:13pm

re: #582 albusteve

Killgore is up to speed on it's non existance

Then who's getting the money appropriated to it?

600 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:38:43pm

re: #582 albusteve

Killgore is up to speed on it's non existance

I'm also up to speed on the non-existence of "Obama's private army". It doesn't frickking well exist. Please, folks, not that nonsense.

601 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:38:59pm

re: #541 Rancher

I think I get it now, Honorary Yooper makes the same argument, tribalism=nationalism=conservatism. Not sure I fully agree but it least I see where you're coming from. Interesting you bring up Mussolini, he started as a socialist. Jonah Goldberg of National Review has a book out called: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning. Haven't read it yet but I think he and I have a bit of the same outlook on this.

Read The Anatomy of Fascism instead. It comes recommended.

602 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:39:10pm

re: #597 Occasional Reader

I don't see a "gap" in terms of other air forces having more advanced fighters than we do; more like, the current gap in the other direction will shrink. US pilots will have to fight harder for air superiority in future conflicts. And we'll have to get used to the idea of more dead and captured pilots again. Bad stuff all around.

Shelving the F-22 program is incredibly short-sighted, and from what I'm reading, I'm not optimistic that the F-35 can fully fill the air superiority role.

The gap in the numbers of on-line functioning Navy and Air Force squadrons.

603 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:39:22pm

re: #414 Occasional Reader

Is this passage from Alvaro Vargas Llosa?

Yes. [Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

604 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:39:27pm
605 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:39:39pm

re: #599 Soona'

Then who's getting the money appropriated to it?

An expanded "AmeriCorps"-type volunteer corps, which is a very, very different thing from a "private army".

606 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:40:02pm

re: #585 CapeCoddah

Scared you much? Sound like Mastiffs. They do that quietly surround you thing.

No, to my ever lasting chagrin it was two black Labradors and a Lab-mix who've been raised with little to no human contact, hence their distrust of humans. They were their own pack and didn't develop bonds with human.

607 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:40:12pm

re: #419 Charles

Lots of hate mail coming in again today. The creeps are all lathered up out there.

Good. Let them jack up their blood pressure and pop a few blood vessels while the rest of us laugh at them.

608 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:40:34pm

That is some ridiculous bullshit John Cook posted. Its the first I've ever heard of the guy but I already know all I'll ever need to know about him. He's a lying piece of garbage. The loser stooped as low as even race-baiting when dreaming up smears against Charles. Where is there even a shred of evidence that LGF for that accusation? Nowhere.

Never has Charles posted or allowed a commenter to post anything resembling "all Muslims everywhere want to kill white Americans".

609 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:41:00pm

re: #599 Soona'

Then who's getting the money appropriated to it?

Americorps

610 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:41:14pm

re: #592 Killgore Trout

Yes, it's a popular topic at Stormfront and Ron Paul forums.

I can imagine, it's an interesting concept don't you think?...what's the skinny on their motives?

611 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:41:23pm

re: #597 Occasional Reader

I don't see a "gap" in terms of other air forces having more advanced fighters than we do; more like, the current gap in the other direction will shrink. US pilots will have to fight harder for air superiority in future conflicts. And we'll have to get used to the idea of more dead and captured pilots again. Bad stuff all around.

Shelving the F-22 program is incredibly short-sighted, and from what I'm reading, I'm not optimistic that the F-35 can fully fill the air superiority role.

You just hit it on the head, The F-35 IMHO is an economy model.
The F-22 was the muscle.

612 WindHorse  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:41:33pm

Jonn Carree... whine about it to your parakeet...

613 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:41:48pm

re: #605 Occasional Reader

An expanded "AmeriCorps"-type volunteer corps, which is a very, very different thing from a "private army".

I say "private army" with tongue in cheek.

614 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:42:20pm
615 Salamantis  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:42:46pm

re: #601 Sharmuta

Read The Anatomy of Fascism instead. It comes recommended.

Yeah; I have Goldberg's book. It's an extended exercise in No True Scotsman motivated historical revisionism.

616 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #611 DEZes

You just hit it on the head, The F-35 IMHO is an economy model.
The F-22 was the muscle.

Hey, if the One is demanding we all drive underpowered hybrids, why shouldn't our fighter pilots, too?

/

617 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:43:01pm

re: #606 callahan23

No, to my ever lasting chagrin it was two black Labradors and a Lab-mix who've been raised with little to no human contact, hence their distrust of humans. They were their own pack and didn't develop bonds with human.

That is a tough one. I would prefer the Mastiffs. They don't attack, they just knock you down and sit on you until help arrives.

618 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:43:48pm

re: #610 albusteve

I can imagine, it's an interesting concept don't you think?...what's the skinny on their motives?

Uhh... it's not real. It's a conspiracy theory started by Paulians and repeated by conservatives.

619 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #605 Occasional Reader

An expanded "AmeriCorps"-type volunteer corps, which is a very, very different thing from a "private army".

Yes, it is.
Now the "AmeriCorps" thing is not to my liking at all.
But it is very different from a "private army".

620 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:44:16pm

re: #616 Occasional Reader

Hey, if the One is demanding we all drive underpowered hybrids, why shouldn't our fighter pilots, too?

/

Can he have a presidential limousine built out of a Prius?

621 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:44:46pm

re: #620 CapeCoddah

Can he have a presidential limousine built out of a Prius?

You need to add one to your fleet.

622 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:45:56pm

re: #616 Occasional Reader

Hey, if the One is demanding we all drive underpowered hybrids, why shouldn't our fighter pilots, too?

/

The F-22 has a top speed of well over Mach 2.
The F-35 is around 1.5.
So maybe its like the old speed limits,

55 saves lives.
1.5 costs lives

623 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:46:05pm

re: #584 callahan23


Sweet jay-zus don't get me started on this mag-lev crap. Some people are touting that as 'green' and the way of the future because it doesn't involve those yucky, nasty diesels that supposedly leave a carbon footprint the size of Paul Bunyan. People almost willingly ignore what kind of power plant it would require to keep a maglev (or even electric, for that matter) railway functioning. Never mind that one boxcar represents five or six less trucks on the highway...apparently that isn't 'green' enough.

The proposed high-speed rail/maglev between Vegas and LA is nothing more than a handout for environemental lawyers and lobbyists. For close to twenty years, Union Pacific has been trying to add extended passing sidings on their California/LasVegas (an on to Utah) route in order to run longer trains on their line. But that work's been held up because part of that trackage goes through some endangered turtle's habitat...which begs the question; if Union Pacific can't expand capacity for trackage that's been in place for over 100 years because of the environmentalists, what makes people think a brand-spanking new maglev will be built from scratch on an entirely seperate right-of-way through the Mojave desert, with endangered turtles, kangaroo rats or gnats galore...

624 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:46:05pm

re: #619 reine.de.tout

Yes, it is.
Now the "AmeriCorps" thing is not to my liking at all.
But it is very different from a "private army".

I know people who were AmeriCorps volunteers.

Let's just say they're not exactly the jackbooted thug type. If they threatened you, you could always stomp on their Birkenstocks.

625 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #621 reine.de.tout

You need to add one to your fleet.

Not in this lifetime! I prefer the 8mpg Rolls and Bentley's.

626 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:46:12pm

re: #618 Killgore Trout

Uhh... it's not real. It's a conspiracy theory started by Paulians and repeated by conservatives.

I'm just asking what is AmeriCorps and what they do...I'll google it and find out why they need all this money

627 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:46:12pm

re: #614 Iron Fist

As much as anything, cancelling the F-22 shows us where Obama's priorities are. Billions for tribute (in the form of foreign aid) but not one dime for defense. OK, that is a bit much but, as always happens with a Democrat President. Defense is last on the list if we happen to have anything left over from subsidizing the income of a three crack-whore "family" and their blue-million children.

I'm pretty certain it was Gates who recommended cutting the F-22.

At this point, it's still just a recommendation. Things may very well change once the Congress critters get hold of it. That's big money for a few districts right there, and they aren't going to let it go without a fight.

628 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:46:30pm

Imagine how much it must cost to have him snake out your toilet?

Joe the Plumber--Worth $1,000 for a Meeting?

629 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:47:20pm

Gak,,, I asked, I looked, and, I found one,, A stretch Prius. Blasphemy.
[Link: www.autoblog.com...]

630 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:47:25pm

re: #628 HelloDare

Imagine how much it must cost to have him snake out your toilet?

Joe the Plumber--Worth $1,000 for a Meeting?

I will come to your party for less and tell better jokes.

631 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:47:32pm

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

Newspapers must be saved! Shall future generations of children grow up ignorant of how to fold a Napoleonic hat?

Ha. I can hardly read them anymore anyway. The worse off my eyes get, the smaller the print gets. I can adjust the size on my computer to be readable without coke bottle bottoms.

632 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:48:04pm

re: #216 alegrias

Look into it further...his aides later removed it from his shoulders. He was not in the area to cause any trouble to an already troubled area. It was more of a thank you for your respects, but no thanks.

633 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #617 CapeCoddah

That is a tough one. I would prefer the Mastiffs. They don't attack, they just knock you down and sit on you until help arrives.

Those Labradors even had the temerity to jump up after me just when I was pulling myself into the tree. One managed to pull off my sneaker in the effort. I had to sit in the tree for over an hour until someone came and locked those doors away.
Very humiliating. ;-(

634 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:48:35pm

re: #614 Iron Fist

OK, that is a bit much but, as always happens with a Democrat President. Defense is last on the list

We can't fully fund defense, because we need that money for stimulus spending!

Of course... defense spending IS stimulus spending... on high-paying, high-tech jobs... which can legitimately have "buy American" clauses without violating WTO agreements... but never mind that!

635 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:48:47pm

re: #615 Salamantis

Scotti quoted Sowell earlier, and I agree completely with this:

Thomas Sowell, in his 1987 book A Conflict of Visions, had this to say about fascism:

...One of the hybrid visions which has had a spectacular rise and fall in the twentieth century is fascism. Here some of the key elements of the constrained vision - obedience to authority, loyalty to one's people, willingness to fight - were strongly invoked, but always under the overriding imperative to follow an unconstrained leader, under no obligation to respect laws, traditions, institutions, or even common decency. The systematic processes at the core of the constrained vision were negated by a totalitarianism directed against every independent social process, from religion to political or economic freedom. Fascism appropriated some of the symbolic aspects of the constrained vision, without the systemic processes which gave them meaning. It was an unconstrained vision of governance which attributed to its leaders a scope of knowledge and dedication to the common good wholly incompatible with the constrained vision whose symbols it invoked.

Adherents of both the constrained and the unconstrained visions each see fascism as the logical extension of the adversary's vision. To those on the political left, fascism if "the far right." Conversely, to Hayek, Hitler's "national socialism" (Nazism) was indeed socialist in concept and execution.

Fascism is like the worst aspects of various political dichotomies all mixed together, and nobody wants to own that baby.

636 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:48:53pm

re: #627 SixDegrees

I'm pretty certain it was Gates who recommended cutting the F-22.

At this point, it's still just a recommendation. Things may very well change once the Congress critters get hold of it. That's big money for a few districts right there, and they aren't going to let it go without a fight.

NO not likely. It seems Lockheed Martin has read the tea leaves, and that probably means congress will go along.

[Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

And Gates is serving his Second Master..that is not usually a good recipe.

637 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:50:48pm

01:27 Singer Barbra Streisand says she can `relax` after Obama victory (Reuters)

This should really have it's own thread, but from the bottom of my heart I'd like to say to Baba-Drop Dead!

638 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:50:51pm

Later.

639 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:51:22pm

re: #624 Occasional Reader


I didn't know they made Birkenstock jackboots...

640 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:51:33pm
641 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:52:12pm

re: #637 Nevergiveup

01:27 Singer Barbra Streisand says she can `relax` after Obama victory (Reuters)

This should really have it's own thread, but from the bottom of my heart I'd like to say to Baba-Drop Dead!

Streisand cannot spell "Relax" Ever looked at her blog? I did once, she is illiterate at best.

642 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:52:33pm

re: #639 Fenway_Nation

I didn't know they made Birkenstock jackboots...

Janesandals?

643 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:52:45pm

re: #629 CapeCoddah

Gak,,, I asked, I looked, and, I found one,, A stretch Prius. Blasphemy.
[Link: www.autoblog.com...]

Still not enough room for a wet bar and hot tube.

644 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:54:03pm

re: #326 Salamantis

Here is an article that speaks penetratingly and at some length to such concerns:

[Link: www.american.com...]


That is interesting, thanks.

645 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:54:53pm

re: #623 Fenway_Nation
I agree wholeheartedly on the green thing being crappy.
Yet my point on my # 584 comment was to slam the easy sell out of high-tech that the taxpayer has bankrolled and politicians endorsed.

646 UberInfidel67  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist
Afterall, he is the Pope of the Palistinian Catholics too.

647 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:55:46pm

re: #634 Occasional Reader

We can't fully fund defense, because we need that money for stimulus spending!

Of course... defense spending IS stimulus spending... on high-paying, high-tech jobs... which can legitimately have "buy American" clauses without violating WTO agreements... but never mind that!


Indeed. Many economists agree it was the defense spending for WWII that pulled us out of the Depression rather then New Deal policies.

648 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:56:10pm
649 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:56:20pm

re: #643 axegrinder

Still not enough room for a wet bar and hot tube.

Oh, they make them.
[Link: www.nlslimo.com...]

650 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:56:39pm

re: #647 axegrinder

Indeed. Many economists agree it was the defense spending for WWII that pulled us out of the Depression rather then New Deal policies.

That and the utter destruction of the rest of the industrialized world.

651 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:57:08pm

re: #601 Sharmuta

Read The Anatomy of Fascism instead. It comes recommended.


Are you trying to make my point?

* a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions; Rom Emanuel

* the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it; Al Gore on Global Warming

* the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external; Jesse Jackson, Rev. Wright, et all

* dread of the group’s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences;

* the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary; It takes a village

* the need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s historical destiny; BHO

* the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason; again BHO

* the beauty of violence and efficacy of will, when they are devoted to the group’s success ACORN

I'm stretching a bit, sure, but not much.

652 GreatDane  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:57:22pm
You know you are over the target, when you start receiving flak

Did you not write that once or quote someone?

Charles / LGF: I have been a reader of your blog for many years and I have enormous respect for you and your way of blogging. You have always been blogging with integrity and heart, and I hope you stay strong in the storm of criticism and complaint.

653 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 3:59:37pm

re: #583 DEZes

The F-14's are retired and the 22's in limbo, so I have to agree with you.

Most of the F-15s are gone, too, due to airframe fatigue. Right now, ADCONUS has devolved upon F-16C Block 52s and higher plus F-15 Echoes; both types have near-complete all-weather capability due to their strike avionics. And as for "stealth", the Viper has always been a good bit "sneakier" in that department than generally advertised. (Not betraying any info here, Air International, etc., have been talking about this for years.)

Of course, being double-tasked like that adds time on their airframes, and reduces their availability for in-theater support and counter-air missions (where needed), too.

The F-22/F-35 "hi/lo" mix is the best all-around answer to this problem, and by the nature of the problem there will not be as many F-22s as there are F-35s. But asking one aircraft, the F-35, to "do it all" is probably not a viable answer. The F-35 was developed as a primary close-support fighter, and a secondary limited all-weather dogfighter, emphasis on within visual range (WVR) engagement. The F-22 was developed as a beyond visual range (BVR) platform, to take out enemy air before it got close enough to launch its own weapons. That's about fifty miles in the modern air combat environment- we aren't the only ones with long-range air-to-air missiles, and a lot of the other people who have such goodies aren't working under the sort of ROE our pilots do. (They don't necessarily wait for a positive ID and a first free shot before they "deedle-deedle-deedle-BANG" your a$$.)

Trying to do this job with the F-35 is (theoretically) possible- but the casualties on our side will probably be higher.

(Note to The One- Infra-Red homing missiles are relatively short-ranged, but they are also cheap, effective, and aren't impressed by low RCS. If you're warm, you're on their menu.)

This is, IMHO, a case of being penny-wise and pound-foolish. But we won't really know until we have to go toe-to-toe with an enemy with a real air force. The One is slipping us back to the "bush hat and M-16" mentality that afflicted us in the Sixties and seventies. It cost us badly then; it probably won't be any cheaper this time around.

cheers

eon

654 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:00:15pm

re: #651 Rancher

Are you trying to make my point?

* a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions; Rom Emanuel

* the primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it; Al Gore on Global Warming

* the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external; Jesse Jackson, Rev. Wright, et all

* dread of the group’s decline under the corrosive effects of individualistic liberalism, class conflict, and alien influences;

* the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary; It takes a village

* the need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s historical destiny; BHO

* the superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason; again BHO

* the beauty of violence and efficacy of will, when they are devoted to the group’s success ACORN

I'm stretching a bit, sure, but not much.

I would say you are stretching a LOT, since all of these points would have to be directed to a common goal, and they are not. Where as each single point may have a fascist element to them, they are not under the control of one central body, a central politic.

655 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:00:31pm

re: #637 Nevergiveup

01:27 Singer Barbra Streisand says she can `relax` after Obama victory (Reuters)

This should really have it's own thread, but from the bottom of my heart I'd like to say to Baba-Drop Dead!

She can relax? well of course she can, she can count the number of days she's worked in the last 20 years on her fingers and toes.
The rest of us have to drink our selves into a stupor for the next 4 years under this bumbling idiot she drools over.

656 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:01:55pm

re: #655 DEZes

She can relax? well of course she can, she can count the number of days she's worked in the last 20 years on her fingers and toes.
The rest of us have to drink our selves into a stupor for the next 4 years under this bumbling idiot she drools over.

And I am waiting for that increase in the liquor tax also?

657 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:02:32pm

I'm sure AmeriCorps has done some good work. But seriously, can you name one thing AmeriCorps has done? I can't. So now, suddenly we need to throw $5.7 billion at a virtually unkown program and triple it's size?

Instead of being wasted on a Democrat pet project that will inevitably be used to solidify their power base, that $5.7 billion could have purchased 32 additional F-22 Raptors, increasing the Raptor fleet by 15%, OR fully restored the $1.4 billion slashed from ballistic missile defense AND bought two dozen more Raptors! And, of course, that doesn't even take into account the tens of thousands of high paying private sector engineering, manufacturing, etc. jobs that the F-22 and BMD programs support.

/all I can say is that, for all this wasted money, they had better be able to teach these 250,000 "community organizers" to fly so they can achieve air supremacy over the Chinese and Russians and protect American soil against Iranian Missiles and North Korean warheads

658 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:02:42pm

re: #653 eon

Damned fine post EON.

659 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:03:46pm

re: #658 DEZes

Damned fine post EON.

Thanks.

cheers

eon

660 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:03:58pm

re: #656 Nevergiveup

And I am waiting for that increase in the liquor tax also?

You wont have to wait long, its already coming.

661 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:04:09pm

re: #651 Rancher

It's not exclusive. There are aspects of various left, right, constrained, unconstrained thinking in fascism. There's a reason it's hotly debated. So, if you really want to learn about it, I recommend that book and a classical approach before reading any other books on the subject. Goldberg cites it himself, btw.

662 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:04:35pm

re: #645 callahan23

I agree wholeheartedly on the green thing being crappy.
Yet my point on my # 584 comment was to slam the easy sell out of high-tech that the taxpayer has bankrolled and politicians endorsed.


Understood- I was just giving you a few more reasons to be wary of it.

663 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:04:58pm
664 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:05:03pm

I smell a basketball fan close by.
Hello Hoops.

665 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:05:23pm

re: #663 buzzsawmonkey

Well, if it does turn into Obama's "private army," can we start calling it the "Afrikan-AmeriCorps?"

Ja Volt?

666 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:05:46pm

re: #656 Nevergiveup

And I am waiting for that increase in the liquor tax also?

That's how Obama plans to fix the budget shortfall.

667 Aviator  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:05:49pm

re: #657 Killian Bundy

I'm sure AmeriCorps has done some good work. But seriously, can you name one thing AmeriCorps has done? I can't. So now, suddenly we need to throw $5.7 billion at a virtually unkown program and triple it's size?

Instead of being wasted on a Democrat pet project that will inevitably be used to solidify their power base, that $5.7 billion could have purchased 32 additional F-22 Raptors, increasing the Raptor fleet by 15%, OR fully restored the $1.4 billion slashed from ballistic missile defense AND bought two dozen more Raptors! And, of course, that doesn't even take into account the tens of thousands of high paying private sector engineering, manufacturing, etc. jobs that the F-22 and BMD programs support.

/all I can say is that, for all this wasted money, they had better be able to teach these 250,000 "community organizers" to fly so they can achieve air supremacy over the Chinese and Russians and protect American soil against Iranian Missiles and North Korean warheads

They just need to have supremacy over all non democrats. They may turn the US into a shit hole, but by God they are going to be IN CHARGE of the shit hole.

668 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:05:56pm

re: #662 Fenway_Nation

Understood- I was just giving you a few more reasons to be wary of it.

Thanks for that. ;-)

669 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:06:34pm

re: #657 Killian Bundy

the 5.7b will enhance the feds stature in the private sector...ho hum...who gives a shit

670 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:07:01pm

re: #664 DEZes

I smell a basketball fan close by.
Hello Hoops.


Yep unmistakably. :-)

671 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:07:15pm

re: #666 screaming_eagle

That's how Obama plans to fix the budget shortfall.

Ask not what your country can do for you.
See how much you can drink for your nation.

672 Hhar  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:07:19pm

re: #651 Rancher

Or a shorter version
Umberto Eco's brief essay

The current gang of idiots in Washington really aren't fascists. The VB guys are. Full stop.

673 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:08:02pm

re: #671 DEZes

Ask not what your country can do for you.
See how much you can drink for your nation.

Now there's a tile!

674 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:08:30pm

re: #670 callahan23

Yep unmistakably. :-)

You think SE knows he posted on 666. ;)

675 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:09:20pm

re: #673 screaming_eagle

Now there's a tile!

Tile?

676 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:09:45pm

re: #674 DEZes

You think SE knows he posted on 666. ;)

Blissfully unaware? ;-)

677 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:10:22pm

/just in case you were wondering where your "community organizing" tax dollars end up

678 The Hoopster  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:10:29pm

re: #664 DEZes

I smell a basketball fan close by.
Hello Hoops.

Hey friend..Having fun reading and watching NCIS..
Hope today finds you well

679 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:11:15pm

re: #677 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/just in case you were wondering where your "community organizing" tax dollars end up

KB ... criminals ... no doubt about it ...

680 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:11:30pm

re: #678 HoosierHoops

Hey friend..Having fun reading and watching NCIS..
Hope today finds you well

re: #678 HoosierHoops

Hey friend..Having fun reading and watching NCIS..
Hope today finds you well

I have been better, and I have been worse.
But Obama is all over it.

681 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:11:31pm

re: #674 DEZes

You think SE knows he posted on 666. ;)

It proves Obama's plan is to really drive us to drinking then tax us for it.

682 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:11:57pm
683 eon  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:12:14pm

Well, I'm out for the evening. It's been fun, and informative, as always.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep well.

cheers

eon

684 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:13:46pm

re: #682 buzzsawmonkey

Any old iron? Any old iron?
Any, any, any old iron?
You look neat
Talk about a treat
You look dapper from your napper to your feet
Dressed in style
A brand-new tile*
Your father's old green tie on
But I wouldn't give you tuppence for your old watch chain
Old iron? Old iron?

--traditional English music hall

*Tile: slang term for a hat.

Remind me again not to play trivial pursuit against you.

685 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:14:34pm

re: #681 screaming_eagle

It proves Obama's plan is to really drive us to drinking then tax us for it.

He is a vile lil f**ker.

686 The Hoopster  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:14:47pm

re: #680 DEZes

I have been better, and I have been worse.
But Obama is all over it.

I just got my new Blackberry World edition phone..I've been playing with it today..Total international calls available..Gps..Google maps..
Me likey!

687 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:15:04pm

re: #685 DEZes

He is a vile lil f**ker.

You spelt fucker wrong!

688 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:15:38pm

re: #686 HoosierHoops

I just got my new Blackberry World edition phone..I've been playing with it today..Total international calls available..Gps..Google maps..
Me likey!

Life of battery, three minutes.

689 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:15:55pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

You spelt fucker wrong!

Your right! Three *'s not two.

690 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:15:57pm

re: #686 HoosierHoops

I just got my new Blackberry World edition phone..I've been playing with it today..Total international calls available..Gps..Google maps..
Me likey!

Two questions:
1. How much was it?
2. How much does it cost to use it?
Some of us can only dream about owning a Blackberry...

691 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:16:01pm
692 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #686 HoosierHoops

I just got my new Blackberry World edition phone..I've been playing with it today..Total international calls available..Gps..Google maps..
Me likey!

How much for the service?

693 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:16:48pm

re: #679 JacksonTn

KB ... criminals ... no doubt about it ...

And ACORN is helping recruit census workers.

/what could possibly go wrong?

694 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:16:50pm

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

You spelt fucker wrong!

My fat fingers strike again.

695 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:16:52pm
696 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:17:01pm
697 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:17:03pm

re: #674 DEZes

You think SE knows he posted on 666. ;)

On a different note, I just saw that my karma rating is at exactly 888 does that have any meaning.
Not that I would believe in that kind of -ology. (numer- ?!?)

698 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:17:04pm

Freshly uploaded Freedom Watch with Ron Paul

699 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:17:50pm

re: #697 callahan23

On a different note, I just saw that my karma rating is at exactly 888 does that have any meaning.
Not that I would believe in that kind of -ology. (numer- ?!?)

888? Are you sure?

700 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:17:50pm

re: #690 Wishing

Two questions:
1. How much was it?
2. How much does it cost to use it?
Some of us can only dream about owning a Blackberry...

don't...the one I used was so slow and cumbersome to use that my frustration level maxed out...they are designed to play with in an airport, that's all...big whoop

701 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:17:57pm

re: #697 callahan23

On a different note, I just saw that my karma rating is at exactly 888 does that have any meaning.
Not that I would believe in that kind of -ology. (numer- ?!?)

Not anymore it's not.

702 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:18:25pm

re: #693 Killian Bundy

And ACORN is helping recruit census workers.

/what could possibly go wrong?

just don't call it BOs army...

703 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:19:09pm

re: #698 Sharmuta

Hey Sharm! I was wondering if you have considered working with PJM?

704 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:19:51pm

re: #698 Sharmuta

Wow. Ron Paul is on pretty much every day.

705 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:20:11pm

re: #695 buzzsawmonkey

You'd probably wipe the floor with me.

Very doubtful.

706 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:20:16pm

The left never felt anger over 9/11. They were too busy spinning their alex Jones-esqe agenda-building web of lies. musta ben thos evil rethuglicans who brot thoz builinz down

Charles has always been the voice of clarity, reality and moderation when it comes to radical Islam. Fight the radicals.

707 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:20:43pm

re: #699 Wishing

888? Are you sure?

You destroyed it! You destroyed it!
;-)

708 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:20:57pm
709 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:20:59pm

re: #702 albusteve

(heh heh)

710 The Hoopster  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:21:00pm

re: #690 Wishing

Two questions:
1. How much was it?
Free
2. How much does it cost to use it?
Free
Some of us can only dream about owning a Blackberry...


I'm a system Admin for a global Company..Now I call Internationally without sitting at my desk...
Sweet!

711 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:21:25pm

WOW! About 3:20 Shep Smith has a hissy.

712 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:21:34pm

re: #707 callahan23

You destroyed it! You destroyed it!
;-)

heheheh I figured you were wanting to get over the hump, hit 1000- was just doing my part!

713 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:21:37pm

re: #703 Wishing

Hey Sharm! I was wondering if you have considered working with PJM?

No.

714 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:22:27pm

OT: Sean Hannity is ranting about how Obama is going to pretty much be responsible for killing Americans. I'm no fan of Obama but this repetetive doomsday rhetoric from Hannity, Beck, and FOX News is general is getting awfully tiresome.

715 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:23:04pm

re: #707 callahan23

You destroyed it! You destroyed it!
;-)

Not sure about 888, but I do prefer 77 over 69.
You get 8 more. ;)

716 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:23:10pm

Shep said the F word.

717 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:23:23pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

He said "fucking" on Fox News, right on.

718 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:23:29pm

re: #671 DEZes

Ask not what your country can do for you.
See how much you can drink for your nation.

It's patriotic! And smoke up too, boys.

719 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #716 Sharmuta

Shep said the F word.

No, he said "fucking."

720 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:24:15pm

New Army toy., looks cool, unmanned chopper mounted sniper rifle, can fire 7-10 .338 rounds per second...

721 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:24:21pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

And he used the f word. I guess that is important, eh?

722 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:24:26pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

WOW! About 3:20 Shep Smith has a hissy.


[Video]

what a bunch of bozos

723 CapeCoddah  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:24:33pm

re: #720 CapeCoddah

New Army toy., looks cool, unmanned chopper mounted sniper rifle, can fire 7-10 .338 rounds per second...


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Link helpful

724 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:25:57pm

re: #714 Jetpilot1101

Agreed. I do not see how promoting hysteria helps our cause or our country.

725 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:25:58pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

How the Heck did the Marlins put together a world class pitching staff?
I didn't see coming...Maybe they will be this years Tampa Bay.

We all want last year's Tampa Bay down here

726 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:26:06pm

Shep Smith is such a weenie...why do people even listen to this guy?

727 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:27:07pm

re: #726 Wishing

Shep Smith is such a weenie...why do people even listen to this guy?

you talkin to me?...hahahaha

728 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:27:33pm
729 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:27:44pm

re: #726 Wishing

Shep Smith is such a weenie...why do people even listen to this guy?

I lost all respect for him during his Hurricane Katrina coverage.

730 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:28:01pm

I just got home and turned of FNC, missed the hissy fit or whatever?!
So Charles has lefty loonies calling hom out and righty wingnuts calling him out...hmmm...must be doing something right.

731 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:28:04pm

re: #715 DEZes

Not sure about 888, but I do prefer 77 over 69.
You get 8 more. ;)

What's 69+69?
Diner for 4.

732 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:28:05pm

re: #442 jcm

Noisy?


*okay, I'll bite*

Parallel parking. You pull ahead until you hear the noise and you back up until you hear the noise. How do you parallel park?

733 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:28:39pm

re: #715 DEZes

Not sure about 888, but I do prefer 77 over 69.
You get 8 more. ;)

Yep 77 is great. The other is too much on the oxalacid side. ;-)

734 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:28:42pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

WOW! About 3:20 Shep Smith has a hissy.


[Video]

Oops.

Call the FCC! The airwaves must remain pure!

He dropped the F-bomb!

//

735 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:29:08pm

re: #723 CapeCoddah

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Link helpful

Wow, that could really create an unpleasant surprise from someone.

Now if only they could only build a satellite-mounted laser with a beam that's only a centimeter wide, so that anyone on Earth could be selectively vaporized at a moment's notice.

Actually, if you believe the Arab press reports, Israel already has such a weapon, and they've been going around genociding everyone without a trace for years now.

736 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:29:08pm

re: #731 screaming_eagle

What's 69+69?
Diner for 4.

How do you say 69 in China.

737 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:09pm

re: #735 Last Mohican
Don't forget the evil Zionist Hair Rays of Death!

738 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:20pm

re: #730 pingjockey

I just got home and turned of FNC, missed the hissy fit or whatever?!

It was on their interwebs show, not the boob tube. Sharmuta has the link.

739 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:22pm

re: #731 screaming_eagle

What's 69+69?
Diner for 4.

What's a daisy chain then. Never mind.

740 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:32pm

re: #736 DEZes

How do you say 69 in China.

mmmfff?

741 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:48pm

re: #740 screaming_eagle

mmmfff?

2 can chew.

742 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:56pm

Freedom Watch Pt 2:

Pt 3:

743 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:57pm

I'm staying out of this one.

744 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:30:58pm
The 10 terror techniques

1. Attention grasp

Grasping the suspect with both hands - one hand on each side of the collar opening - in one quick motion. In the same motion, the suspect is pulled towards the interrogator.

2. Walling

The interrogators construct a flexible false wall, but do not tell the suspect it is fake. The individual is then placed with his or her heels touching the wall. The suspect is then pulled forward, and then quickly pushed back against the wall.

It is designed so that the suspect's shoulder blades hit the wall. The individual's neck is supported to stop whiplash.

The suspect is allowed to rebound off the wall - which makes a loud noise. The theory is that the noise will cause the suspect to think they are being harmed, when in fact no damage is being done.

3. Facial hold

One open palm is placed on either side of the suspect's face - to keep their head immobile. The fingertips are kept away from the individual's eyes. It is designed to intimidate.

4. Insult slap

The interrogator slaps the suspect's face, with fingers slightly spread. The slap is aimed for the area between the chin and the ear. The aim of the slap is not to cause long-lasting pain, but to shock, surprise or humiliate.

5. Cramped confinement

The suspect is placed in a dark and confined space. Confinement in a larger space can last up to 18 hours, in a smaller space it is supposed to be less than two hours.

6. Wall standing

Used to induce muscle fatigue. The suspect stands about four or five feet from the wall, with his feet spread approximately to shoulder width. Arms are stretched out in front of them, with fingers resting on the wall. The fingers support all the body weight, and they are not allowed to move.

7. Stress positions

A variety of positions may be used, such as sitting on the floor with legs extended straight out in front with arms raised above the head. Again, they are designed to create the physical discomfort of muscle fatigue.

8. Sleep deprivation

Used to reduce the suspect's ability to think on their feet, create discomfort, and encourage them to cooperate. The CIA was asking for this to happen for up to 11 days.

9. Insects placed in a confinement box

The suspect is placed in a confined space with a seemingly lethal insect. They are told is it lethal, even though it is actually harmless.

Strangely, the CIA had indicated that they wished to place Zubaydah in confinement with a caterpillar, as he appeared to have a fear of such creatures.

10. Waterboarding

The individual is bound securely to a bench, with their feet elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes.

Water is then poured on the cloth, and the cloth itself is lowered to cover the mouth and nose.

Air flow is then restricted for up to 40 seconds at a time; this causes an increase in carbon dioxide in the individual's blood. It is designed to simulate suffocation and panic.

/I'm sorry, which one of these is "torture" causing lasting physical or psychological harm?

745 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:31:26pm

re: #738 Slumbering Behemoth
Well if it was on the interwebs, who cares? It wasn't over regular broadcast airwaves, was it? TV/Radio?

746 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:31:28pm

re: #735 Last Mohican

Wow, that could really create an unpleasant surprise from someone.

Now if only they could only build a satellite-mounted laser with a beam that's only a centimeter wide, so that anyone on Earth could be selectively vaporized at a moment's notice.

Actually, if you believe the Arab press reports, Israel already has such a weapon, and they've been going around genociding everyone without a trace for years now.

SHARKS WITH LASERS!

747 Spiritualized  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:31:35pm

Charles:

John Cook: Meet Israeli Influence Peddler Haim Saban

Saban has a reputation as a brutal businessman.

(...)

Another way to put it is that Saban decided to buy himself a foreign policy.

(...)

In 2002, Saban launched the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, an arm of the Brookings Institution, with a $13 million grant. It served as a sort of left-wing cover operation for proponents of the invasion of Iraq.

And then he has the audacity to make this statement:

If neo-Nazis are into your ideas, Charles, you might want to rethink them.

Hmmm, who would be more popular with the knuckle-draggers at Stormfront? Us "Israel-firsters" or the author of an article on big scary Jewish Lobby. Well, John, what do you think?

748 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:31:43pm

re: #736 DEZes

How do you say 69 in China.

六十九


/

749 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:31:55pm

You are definitely over the target, Charles.

Gawker is not worth the pixels it is posted with. I think of actor sexual organ candid shots when Gawker is mentioned. Useless crap, basically, and obviously the nadir of journalistic intelligence, and that's saying something.

Oh, and also, I really hate it when they assume everyone who posts here is a white Republican. We are not all white Republicans, dammit.

750 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:31:59pm

re: #743 formercorpsman

I'm staying out of this one.

don't dig Shemp?...booo

751 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:32:36pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

/I'm sorry, which one of these is "torture" causing lasting physical or psychological harm?

Torture- belief Congress can fix anything.

752 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:33:08pm

re: #736 DEZes

How do you say 69 in China.

96. Cause if you dig a hole and go all the way to China you're upside down. At least that's the way cartoon's showed it when I was a kid...
:)

753 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:33:24pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

Freedom Watch Pt 2:


[Video]

4 minutes was my limit. Andrew Napolitano is a troofer. In addition to that his voice is like nails across a chalkboard.

Shep Smith looks, acts, and thinks like he should be on Entertainment Tonight. He's the perfect model for trash TV.

754 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:33:57pm

Confuscious says: 'Ideal housewife knows how to do 71 things for husband; cooking, cleaning and 69'

755 Bignjames  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:33:59pm

re: #736 DEZes

How do you say 69 in China.


Depends on whom I'm speaking to.

756 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:33:59pm

re: #752 LGoPs

96. Cause if you dig a hole and go all the way to China you're upside down. At least that's the way cartoon's showed it when I was a kid...
:)

Bugs Bunny was wrong. ;)

757 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:34:06pm

re: #745 pingjockey

I don't know. I don't have cable. But that Freedom Watch thing is usually only on the net.

758 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:34:38pm

re: #741 DEZes

2 can chew.

Chew Man Chew...

759 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:34:43pm

re: #711 Sharmuta

WOW! About 3:20 Shep Smith has a hissy.

Youtube Video

I don't have audio - what's he pissing about?

760 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:34:45pm

re: #756 DEZes

Bugs Bunny was wrong. ;)

Bugs Bunny was never wrong!

761 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:34:49pm

re: #750 albusteve

No brother, I unintentionally derailed a thread by assuming Nevergiveup was talking about Billy Crystal, when in actuality, it was William Kristol.

I think with just 4 or 5 posts, I looked purely like a smacked ass.

762 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:00pm

re: #753 Gus 802

4 minutes was my limit. Andrew Napolitano is a troofer. In addition to that his voice is like nails across a chalkboard.

Shep Smith looks, acts, and thinks like he should be on Entertainment Tonight. He's the perfect model for trash TV.

Shemp is a whore...moving up the whore chain...he's pretty and gosh! how can you deny his conviction?

763 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:09pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

Nary a one.

764 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:20pm

re: #753 Gus 802

4 minutes was my limit. Andrew Napolitano is a troofer. In addition to that his voice is like nails across a chalkboard.

Shep Smith looks, acts, and thinks like he should be on Entertainment Tonight. He's the perfect model for trash TV.

He reminds me of the "Danno" character on Hawaii Five-O.

765 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:33pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

Sounds like my freshman year of high school and indoctrination into the athletic program. Does Gitmo have a booster club?

766 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:37pm

re: #761 formercorpsman

No brother, I unintentionally derailed a thread by assuming Nevergiveup was talking about Billy Crystal, when in actuality, it was William Kristol.

I think with just 4 or 5 posts, I looked purely like a smacked ass.

Sheesh..ya gotta bring that up again?

767 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:48pm

re: #760 screaming_eagle

Bugs Bunny was never wrong!

Then explain that wrong turn at Albuquerque. ;)

768 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:35:50pm
769 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:06pm

re: #766 Nevergiveup

I'm laughing about it right now.

Good lord that was too much.

770 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:08pm

re: #761 formercorpsman

I seem more than a few of those in my time, and you don't look like one.

771 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:11pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

Who ever would have thought that Ron Paul would be so relevant?

772 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #761 formercorpsman

No brother, I unintentionally derailed a thread by assuming Nevergiveup was talking about Billy Crystal, when in actuality, it was William Kristol.

I think with just 4 or 5 posts, I looked purely like a smacked ass.

that was a good one...no way did you look like a smacked ass

773 screaming_eagle  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #767 DEZes

Then explain that wrong turn at Albuquerque. ;)

It was Daffy's fault.

774 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:25pm

re: #758 LGoPs

Chew Man Chew...

You said a mouthful.

775 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:36:57pm

re: #768 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, I'm glad I can laugh at myself.

776 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:37:06pm

re: #771 Killgore Trout
Luap Nor is relevant? I thought relevants were in the zoo?

777 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:37:27pm

re: #762 albusteve

Shemp is a whore...moving up the whore chain...he's pretty and gosh! how can you deny his conviction?

He even looks like one.

It's easy for him to act out some form of outraged indignation. Their viewership usually falls for it. If he believes what he says I don't care.

778 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:37:40pm

Recent reports say they had to waterboard Khalid Sheikh Mohammed over 150 times before he broke. Some "torture".

/could have saved a lot of time and effort by using an electric drill like our enemies do

779 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #764 solomonpanting

He reminds me of the "Danno" character on Hawaii Five-O.

Ms. Danno //

780 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:38:19pm

re: #770 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh no, I'll take my lumps. It was totally imbecilic on my part.

781 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:38:20pm

re: #771 Killgore Trout

Who ever would have thought that Ron Paul would be so relevant?

I thought some of his comments about our soldiers were offensive.

782 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:38:20pm

re: #761 formercorpsman

No brother, I unintentionally derailed a thread by assuming Nevergiveup was talking about Billy Crystal, when in actuality, it was William Kristol.

I think with just 4 or 5 posts, I looked purely like a smacked ass.

Hell, I thought you were talking about the Southern Hamburger chain that makes those little burgers...
/

783 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:38:23pm

re: #777 Gus 802
I lost any and all respect I had when he totally jumped the hurricane coverage.

784 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:38:28pm

re: #751 screaming_eagle

Torture- belief Congress can fix anything.

Torture: Watching the zero take oath to the presidency.

785 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:39:17pm

re: #768 buzzsawmonkey

If you need a healing crystal after that, I have a spare...

Is that anything like a Palantir...?

786 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:39:25pm

re: #781 Sharmuta

I thought some of his comments about our soldiers were offensive.

Could you imagine if what we're hearing now from Fox was said last year?

787 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:39:37pm

re: #766 Nevergiveup

Sheesh..ya gotta bring that up again?

KristolGate.

788 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:40:01pm

re: #781 Sharmuta

I thought some of his comments about our soldiers were offensive.


Right up there with Murtha and Code Pink.

789 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:40:15pm

I listen to Bill Bennett some mornings and he seems to me to be about the sanest person I have heard on *conservative* radio.

790 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:40:41pm
791 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:40:59pm

re: #783 pingjockey

I lost any and all respect I had when he totally jumped the hurricane coverage.

Never saw that. No TV here and I'm watching less and less of Fox clips online. I might even stop watching Red Eye online.

792 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:41:01pm

Well Lizards, save me a spot.
later.

793 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:41:36pm

re: #790 buzzsawmonkey

Any woman will tell you that the only true healing crystals are large-carat diamonds, preferably set in platinum.

I have personally healed three women...yep

794 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:41:43pm

re: #789 Wishing

I listen to Bill Bennett some mornings and he seems to me to be about the sanest person I have heard on *conservative* radio.

Bennett's on here in LA from 0300 to 0600. I would be insane to listen that early.
Actually, I do like him.

795 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:41:55pm

Hey wait a minute. They mentioned Robert Baer?

796 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:01pm

re: #791 Gus 802

Never saw that. No TV here and I'm watching less and less of Fox clips online. I might even stop watching Red Eye online.

do

797 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:09pm

ron paul's trying to audit the Fed?

798 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:11pm
799 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:17pm

re: #790 buzzsawmonkey

Any woman will tell you that the only true healing crystals are large-carat diamonds, preferably set in platinum.

How about homemade rock candy instead?

800 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:20pm

re: #671 DEZes

Ask not what your country can do for you.
See how much you can drink for your nation.

Our Democratic governor recently came up with her plan to address the state's dismal economic status (we lead the nation in unemployment): allow bars to stay open later and open earlier, and allow stores to sell alcohol earlier on Sunday, moving the time back from noon to 10:00am.

The solution to all our problems! Drink more!

801 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:45pm

re: #789 Wishing

I listen to Bill Bennett some mornings and he seems to me to be about the sanest person I have heard on *conservative* radio.

Well, he certainly is the most unflappable commentator.

802 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #791 Gus 802
I'm usually in bed before that comes on. Watched it a couple of times. I swear the whole of the msm/cable/print media is going down the crapper. The NY Slimes had another huge quarter loss, mwahahaha!

803 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:43:19pm
804 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:43:38pm

Can we all have t-shirts that say batshit crazy?

805 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:43:40pm

So, they expect that by treating terrorist unlawful combatants with kid gloves is going to convince our enemies to reciprocate? Are they high?

/seriously, without outright rescue, have any of our people survived al-Qaeda or Taliban captivity?

806 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:43:52pm
807 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:44:13pm

Since Ace of Spades has now become a pit of sheer hatred directed at little old me, I'm removing it from my RSS feeds and blogroll. There's really no reason why I should promote a site where people openly wish for me to die.

[Link: minx.cc...]

808 DEZes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:44:22pm

re: #800 SixDegrees

Our Democratic governor recently came up with her plan to address the state's dismal economic status (we lead the nation in unemployment): allow bars to stay open later and open earlier, and allow stores to sell alcohol earlier on Sunday, moving the time back from noon to 10:00am.

The solution to all our problems! Drink more!

I was about to leave when I saw this,
Amazing what they will do to boost tax revenues.

809 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:44:24pm

re: #798 buzzsawmonkey

You heal, you.

see me
feel me
touch me
heel me

810 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:44:44pm

re: #805 Killian Bundy
Nope, they're all dumber than shit.

811 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:45:13pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

/I'm sorry, which one of these is "torture" causing lasting physical or psychological harm?

If their FEELINGS ARE HURT it's torture!

812 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:45:20pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

/I'm sorry, which one of these is "torture" causing lasting physical or psychological harm?

2008-20012

813 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:45:24pm

re: #801 solomonpanting

Well, he certainly is the most unflappable commentator.

I don't think I have ever heard him raise his voice. And what he says is always to the point, none of this verbal razzmatazz.
And he verbalizes conservative values with clarity.

814 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:46:28pm

re: #807 Charles

I'm really sorry to see it come to that.

815 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:46:45pm

This Robert Baer?

And here?

Thom Hartmann: Are you of the opinion there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government?

Robert Baer: There is that possibility, the evidence points at it.

Thom Hartmann: And why is it not being investigated?

Robert Baer: Why isn't the WMD story being investigated? Why hasn't anybody been held accountable for 9/11? We held people accountable after Pearl Harbor. Why has there been no change in command? Why have there been no political repercussions? Why has there been no -- any sort of exposure on this? It really makes you wonder.

Listen to the audio again. They mention Robert Baer as a defense of their opinions.

816 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:47:06pm

Heh. You can get the Bill O'Reilly Fuck It Remix as a ringtone now.

Both links NSFW!

817 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:47:32pm

re: #807 Charles
Dude, it's terrible..."you look like a hippy", OMG!

818 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:47:56pm

re: #807 Charles

Since Ace of Spades has now become a pit of sheer hatred directed at little old me, I'm removing it from my RSS feeds and blogroll. There's really no reason why I should promote a site where people openly wish for me to die.

[Link: minx.cc...]

What's the average IQ of their commentators?

80?

819 Wishing  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:47:56pm

re: #806 Thanos

OMG. Sick, sick people!

820 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:48:21pm

re: #807 Charles

Notice at the end of that thread, there's a slimy little coward who claims to have an account at LGF, while bashing the hell out of me.

821 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:49:37pm

re: #807 Charles

so you'll be boycotting Iran also?

/death to ___ ! (choose your infidel)

822 callahan23  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:49:58pm

Need my beauty sleepkszzz.
Later Lizards.
Harry C.

823 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:50:46pm

OT

We learned today that my boss has cancer - they think they got it in time, but he's in that period of not knowing for sure. He is in his late 20s and is very torn up - he married last year, and they just started their family with a baby this year.

Those of you who are prayer-inclined, I would appreciate if you added him to your prayers.

824 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:50:51pm

re: #822 callahan23

Need my beauty sleepkszzz.
Later Lizards.
Harry C.

Hasta luego hombre.

825 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:51:19pm

It's very disappointing to see Ace allowing that kind of disgusting vileness, when I've linked to him and promoted his site for years, even helping him when he had a disagreement with PJ Media over something.

Very disappointing.

826 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:51:27pm
827 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:52:45pm

re: #825 Charles

I'm so sorry.

828 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:53:01pm

re: #600 Occasional Reader

I'm also up to speed on the non-existence of "Obama's private army". It doesn't frickking well exist. Please, folks, not that nonsense.

The 'Taupe-shirts' are everywhere, silly.

829 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:54:35pm

re: #807 Charles

I find it odd that they cite that no one reads/visits LGF anymore to validate their lies and vitriol. Classy bunch.

Page Views: 56,006
Visits: 48,017
Yesterday
Page Views: 72,461
Visits: 61,999

Heh, no one comes here anymore.

830 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:54:39pm

"beloved anti-Islam"

Actually, this illustrates precisely, the differences between rationale thought, and left - right periscope visualization.

Someone up thread was mentioning this "Gawker" site as more movie fodder.

In 2002, I had money left over from the GI Bill to go back to school. Jesuit Institution, took religion again.

I was not on LGF, nor aware of LGF at the time. I ran a 4.0 in the class, loved the professor. This was less than a year after 9-11. Other people in the class were still tap dancing around politically correct speak in their papers as it related to the 3 religions we studied. (Judaism, Christianity, & Islam)

I remember the professor getting mad for all of the moral equivalence (Knew the problem before I knew there was an actual phrase) from the students, (Adult learning) and excoriated it. He really wanted honest opinion, not PC speak.

I gave it to him. It was great. A couple years later, I found LFG. It reminded me of that class. It allowed the debate to be moved beyond platitudes, and regurgitation of talking points.

All of the sites that reference LGF, have never actually spent any time really scratching the surface as to what it is about.

831 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:54:55pm

Well, that's it. I'm moving to Columbia and build semi-submersibles to smuggle coke to the US. cost 500,000 bucks, load of coke 100 million bucks. That is one helluva profit margin!

832 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:56:18pm

re: #831 pingjockey

Well, that's it. I'm moving to Columbia and build semi-submersibles to smuggle coke to the US. cost 500,000 bucks, load of coke 100 million bucks. That is one helluva profit margin!

And they are not resusable. One shot deals. Kinda like a condom I guess?

833 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:56:38pm

re: #831 pingjockey
There should be a VERY large sarcasm tag!

834 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:57:22pm

re: #828 debutaunt

The 'Taupe-shirts' are everywhere, silly.

Sounds like a sale at Banana Republic.

835 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:57:23pm

re: #825 Charles

It's very disappointing to see Ace allowing that kind of disgusting vileness, when I've linked to him and promoted his site for years, even helping him when he had a disagreement with PJ Media over something.

Very disappointing.

His passivity is a form of approval of his commentators.

836 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:57:33pm

re: #833 pingjockey

Damn. Here I was, hoping to invest.

837 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:57:34pm

re: #831 pingjockey

Reported to Charles, please people, don't quote this comment, Charles will delete soon.

///

838 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:57:34pm

re: #832 Nevergiveup
Well if you make it, you just made 99.5 million!

839 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:57:41pm

re: #833 pingjockey

There should be a VERY large sarcasm tag!

But I already bought those 2 plane tickets to Columbia you asked me to?

840 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:58:25pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton
You're mad cause you didn't think of it first!

841 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:58:30pm

re: #833 pingjockey

There should be a VERY large sarcasm tag!

So, should I also ignore the email you sent me about this deal?

842 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:59:02pm

re: #831 pingjockey

Not quoting! - but I think you mean Colombia. :D

843 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:59:14pm

re: #413 Honorary Yooper

If you use one axis, tribalism is concerned with conserving the tribe. At its extreme, it is concerned with tribal purity. Classism is interested in molding people into a single class out of many tribes.

Except that they're very hard to unentwine. Rwanda, Soviet Russia, and some other unpleasant places come to mind.

844 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:59:21pm

re: #839 Nevergiveup
Mwahaha! The navy captain said it's like trying to find a log floating in the ocean.

845 Nevergiveup  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 4:59:29pm

re: #840 pingjockey

You're mad cause you didn't think of it first!

He apparently is retired in some chateau in Colorado. Maybe he has?
/

846 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:00:02pm

What a drag that Ace is jumping on the pile too.
It will be interesting to see what the blogosphere landscape looks like when the dust settles.
But in the interest of cooling off our angered heads and in honor of earth day, here's some cool blue...

847 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:00:08pm

re: #842 Cattt
Bad spelling strikes again!

848 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:00:15pm

re: #835 Gus 802

At the very least, he could make a statement of approval or disapproval.

The last few topic posts on this look like nothing more than CJ Hatefest Open Threads. Pathetic.

849 pbird  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:01:33pm

re: #809 albusteve

see me
feel me
touch me
heel me

hi tommy

850 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:01:44pm

re: #845 Nevergiveup

He apparently is retired in some chateau in Colorado. Maybe he has?
/

You should see what's in the basement. A door, a tunnel, and DIA, here I come.

851 Gus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:01:48pm

re: #848 Slumbering Behemoth

At the very least, he could make a statement of approval or disapproval.

The last few topic posts on this look like nothing more than CJ Hatefest Open Threads. Pathetic.

Yeah. That would be "the right thing to do" but somehow I don't see that happening if my initial judgement is correct.

852 albusteve  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:02:04pm

re: #846 IslandLibertarian


the Bluest Blues...not that anyone cares

853 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:02:17pm
854 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:02:18pm

re: #439 JHW

These people were targeted too. Cham People. There's quite a community of them in central Vietnam also. Most of them are Muslims of what appears to me to be of a fairly mild variety. A while back I posted a German film documentary in the spin-off links, that actually showed them raising pigs to sell to their non-Muslim neighbors.

East Asian Islam seems to have produced some interesting communities. The woman who wrote Red Scarf Girl, a memoir of growing up during the Cultural Revolution years, came from a Muslim family.

855 AMER1CAN  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:02:35pm

I have never heard of Gawker and have no plans to ever visit the site and grace them with a hit. Gawker sounds too close to Gonorrhea to me and I don't want to catch anything from that rag.

856 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:02:42pm

Oh noez, creationist clip n' save! Stand by for heavy rolls! (Navy lingo for heavy seas) Oh crap, Senator Depends wants to prosecute people for the interrogation crap.

857 axegrinder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:03:56pm

re: #846 IslandLibertarian

What a drag that Ace is jumping on the pile too.
It will be interesting to see what the blogosphere landscape looks like when the dust settles.
But in the interest of cooling off our angered heads and in honor of earth day, here's some cool blue...

858 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:04:33pm

I'm gonna go up and see what's up, up there.

859 Soona'  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:05:39pm

re: #840 pingjockey

You're mad cause you didn't think of it first!

You've just spilled the beans. Now there'll be a line of submersibles waiting for the big haul.

860 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:07:18pm

re: #493 rawmuse

Got you beat there, I had an arrest warrant sent to my address for a guy with the same first and last name as mine and same birthday. Different middle name. Middle name was not considered exculpatory.

That was an interesting day out of my life to clear that one up.

My poor husband has an enormously common Anglo first, last and middle name. The California DMV would not give him a driver's license until he could prove he was not the same Richard Jacob Jones (just an example) who had been arrested for drunk driving in Georgia, when my husband was four. (Those drunk toddlers on the road!)

Problem was, Georgia had no record of Richard Jacob Jones, so they were not prepared to swear that he wasn't the same man. It took a while.

861 funky chicken  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:08:22pm

re: #2 WriterMom

Never read Gawker. Is it worth looking at?

No. Check out the anti-semitism in the post Charles highlighted as "hate." I promise you won't find them interesting.

862 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:11:59pm

re: #852 albusteve

the Bluest Blues...not that anyone cares


[Video]

Good choice. Love that song! sad though it is.

863 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:12:00pm

re: #288 CapeCoddah

They have so much evidence on that dude, it is not even funny. He is a guest of my dad's (a correctional officer) at MCI Shirley and will be there forever.

I'd be interested to know how somebody fires a handgun inside the Copley Marriott and doesn't get dogpiled by cops five minutes later. I could understand if it was in JP or something, but Copley?

Gosh, they need more laws to stop irregar hianguns!

/menino

864 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:12:49pm

re: #538 alegrias

* * **
Gore's unsuccessful trainer in Alpha maleism was Naomi Wolf or something like. Looked just like Monica Lewinsky!

I think it was Naomi Wolf. Who has since gone insane.

Naomi Klein, on the other hand, has ALWAYS been insane.

Hey, maybe it was the failure to recreate Gore that DROVE Naomi Wolf insane.

865 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #600 Occasional Reader

I'm also up to speed on the non-existence of "Obama's private army". It doesn't frickking well exist. Please, folks, not that nonsense.

But I read about it! At WND! Let me post seven hundred links!

Did I mention that the nirther on my e-mail list is not leaving, and she has started to post links to WND and JihadWatch?

/

866 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:23:57pm

Wonkette's former slut-in-chief, Ana Marie Cox, was the hoe who gave us "assfucking" as a term of political commentary.

Good to see they're still upholding the high standards she set.

867 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:33:31pm

re: #865 SanFranciscoZionist

GAH! DSH Blak-op thugs stolded mai vegtibl gardun!

WND is for crap.

868 swamprat  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:40:05pm

The theme of this thread has something to do with that troll, "cpuller", who appeared last night.
Don't think it was a co inky-dink.

869 Rancher  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 5:51:48pm

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

I would say you are stretching a LOT, since all of these points would have to be directed to a common goal, and they are not.

Other than furthering the Dems power.

Where as each single point may have a fascist element to them, they are not under the control of one central body, a central politic.

Other than the Dems.

re: #672 Hhar

The current gang of idiots in Washington really aren't fascists. The VB guys are. Full stop.


VB are fascists, no doubt, and no, the Dems aren't fascists. All I'm saying is they are allot closer than we are. We believe in individual freedom and a large part of what sets us free is the ability to do what we want with the fruits of our labor. We don't think the state knows what is best for us much less what should be done with our money. We don't even rally around a cult of personality, Bush got plenty of criticism here. We are not elitist, but how much more elitist can you be when you think you know what's best for the public, like the left?

870 gearhead  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:04:53pm

It's a shame that a bag of sh-t like Gawker shares the stable with an excellent blog like Lifehacker.

871 talon_262  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:22:02pm

re: #782 LGoPs

Hell, I thought you were talking about the Southern Hamburger chain that makes those little burgers...
/

Krystal...Tennessee's better answer to White Castle!

872 MagnaniomousCoward  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:40:04pm

The commenters at Gawker continue to rip the piece apart and ridicule John Cook for writing it. Shame few people bother with reading comments.

873 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:22:06pm

re: #872 MagnaniomousCoward

The commenters at Gawker continue to rip the piece apart and ridicule John Cook for writing it. Shame few people bother with reading comments.

I'm a li'l surprised that the stalkers haven't gone over there with their waah-waah-waah...

Give it time I suppose :^/

874 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:43:57pm

re: #825 Charles

It's very disappointing to see Ace allowing that kind of disgusting vileness, when I've linked to him and promoted his site for years, even helping him when he had a disagreement with PJ Media over something.

Very disappointing.

I'm sorry too, Charles.
What the hell is wrong with the man?

875 Irish Rose  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:24:47pm

Due to the regrettable content of his threads, Ace of Spades HQ has been removed from my links and blogroll, and I have emailed a link containing his disgraceful, abusive content to my contact list as well.

I advise all readers here at LGF to do the same, even if you appreciate the other content at Aces'. It is absolutely disgraceful that Charles has to continue to put up with this vile shit, especially from people that he has been a friend to. Ace should be ashamed of himself.

Make a stand, and delink.
Then email Ace, and let him know why he is no longer welcome on your blogroll.

876 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:25:43am

test

877 charles_martel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:43:27am

Gawker is taking a high road on morality? That site is pure gossip and trash! The needle is pinned on my Hypocrisy Meter.

878 Dom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:49:44am

Irresponsible partisans can treat all dissent as coming from extremes, but with Charles getting it from all manner of extremists, it's fair to consider he's pretty damn near the righteous path.


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 Frank says:

A world of sexual incompetents, encountering each other, under disco circumstances... why can't you do songs about that?