Real Torture in the UAE
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This is what real torture looks like, as a member of the United Arab Emirates royal family is caught on tape: ABC News Exclusive: Torture Tape Implicates UAE Royal Sheikh.
281 comments
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:48:15pm |
Charles, forgive me, but I'm not going to press Play.
Incidentally, guys, for all you singles out there, the lady in the SingleMuslim on the right of my screen is very pretty.
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Right mind left Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:49:42pm |
And we worry about our reputation in the middle east?
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sneezey Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:51:39pm |
Only a matter of time before our president tolerates a 40 minute diatribe from the head of the UAE, or is handed an anti-american book, or better yet bows to him. Change we can all believe in.
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razorbacker Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:51:49pm |
As the commenter over at Instapundit wondered, I'll bet those CIA folks that leaked the 'torture' story to embarrass Bush are rethinking their actions about now.
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Buster Bunny Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:04pm |
I have watched it the once. And only the once.
THAT is defined as torture. Of course because he's a UAE royal member .. nothing will ever happen from this.
I am feeling queasy just thinking about it.
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Right mind left Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:13pm |
re: #5 Right mind left
And "we" (insert apologetic Obama) worry about "our" (his highness' royal WE) reputation in the middle east?
UHHH we made mistakes and that UHHHH is how we learn...(address to the CIA the other day!)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:26pm |
My, what lovely allies! Perhaps we should celebrate their civilized achievements by bailing out their banks in Dubai?
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:31pm |
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vxbush Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:36pm |
I am not going to watch this tape. I am thankful that there are others who do who can stand and declare it for what it is.
Just as I appreciate every federal agent who watches child pornography to prepare to take a perp to court, so do I appreciate those who stomach this vile nastiness to demonstrate who the really evil people are.
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:48pm |
BHO and the MSM would not know torture if it crawled up and bit'em in the ass.
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srb1976 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:48pm |
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Buster Bunny Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:49pm |
re: #12 Bobblehead
Did they run that truck over his legs?
If you listen you can hear the bones breaking as it goes over. Sounds like crackling fire .. but its bones.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:52:56pm |
Oh, f*ck. And where are the medical observers. and the dumb f*cks want to prosecute americans?
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:53:20pm |
Good job ABC News. Thanks for putting this information out there.
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Digital Display Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:53:21pm |
re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist
Charles, forgive me, but I'm not going to press Play.
Incidentally, guys, for all you singles out there, the lady in the SingleMuslim on the right of my screen is very pretty.
Think I'll skip the ad..I married a smoking hot Jewish girl..( who works too much) But somehow I'll make it through...
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Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:53:26pm |
re: #11 razorbacker
As the commenter over at Instapundit wondered, I'll bet those CIA folks that leaked the 'torture' story to embarrass Bush are rethinking their actions about now.
Not a chance.
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alegrias Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:53:59pm |
re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist
Charles, forgive me, but I'm not going to press Play.
Incidentally, guys, for all you singles out there, the lady in the SingleMuslim on the right of my screen is very pretty.
* * * *
I don't blame you for not wanting to see the clip.
PS, Newt Gingrich's picture is not pretty but he's wicked smart & just above the pretty muslim woman's foto, belongs to those mainly GOP people who want such women to live free from servitude & chattel status.
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:53:59pm |
I cannot watch. I'd be willing,though, to watch a 9/11 planner get slapped or wall slammed or water-boarded.
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Desert Dog Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:54:33pm |
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:54:34pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
My, what lovely allies! Perhaps we should celebrate their civilized achievements by bailing out their banks in Dubai?
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This trash gives millions and millions to our universities.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:54:39pm |
re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist
Charles, forgive me, but I'm not going to press Play.
Incidentally, guys, for all you singles out there, the lady in the SingleMuslim on the right of my screen is very pretty.
I didn't want to press play, and I usually don't for things like this. Waterboard every last one of them.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:05pm |
Hey, it's not like they put the guy in a box with caterpillars or anything.
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Mich-again Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:07pm |
Was that man guilty of Preventing Virtue or Promoting Vice?
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:12pm |
Any stronger content warning we can put on this? This makes "Faces of Death" look like a cartoon.
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:20pm |
First we get this
"The incidents depicted in the video tapes were not part of a pattern of behavior," the Interior Ministry's statement declared.
Then
The government statement said its review found "all rules, policies and procedures were followed correctly by the Police Department".
So, "all rules, policies and procedures" aren't part and parcel of a pattern?
Hmmmm....
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Buster Bunny Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:28pm |
He is sitting there and they fire LIVE ammunition rounds around him as he sits there and quivers.
Yes its stomach churning stuff, but even worse .. its real.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:45pm |
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Desert Dog Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:55:54pm |
re: #35 Killian Bundy
Hey, it's not like they put the guy in a box with caterpillars or anything.
Tickle feathers and wet willies....wedgies are just too cruel
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:56:04pm |
If you can stomach it, read ABC's story. The worst is not shown here.
And UAE govt response?
The government statement said its review found "all rules, policies and procedures were followed correctly by the Police Department."
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Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:56:05pm |
re: #14 Buster Bunny
I have watched it the once. And only the once.
THAT is defined as torture. Of course because he's a UAE royal member .. nothing will ever happen from this.
I am feeling queasy just thinking about it.
Royalty has it's privileges.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:56:28pm |
re: #11 razorbacker
As the commenter over at Instapundit wondered, I'll bet those CIA folks that leaked the 'torture' story to embarrass Bush are rethinking their actions about now.
Somehow, and unfortunately, I doubt it.
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ArmyWife Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:56:37pm |
re: #18 pink freud
Hello back. I think Pelosi should watch this a few hundred times. They all have IQs of hamsters, and I apologize in advance for offending hamsters.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:57:11pm |
re: #29 alegrias
* * * *
I don't blame you for not wanting to see the clip.PS, Newt Gingrich's picture is not pretty but he's wicked smart & just above the pretty muslim woman's foto, belongs to those mainly GOP people who want such women to live free from servitude & chattel status.
Ah, yes, Newt is right there alongside her.
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:57:16pm |
re: #37 calcajun
Any stronger content warning we can put on this? This makes "Faces of Death" look like a cartoon.
calcajun ... I have not seen FoD and I only made it to the sand in the mouth on this video ... I wish we could slant drill from here and let them dry up in the desert ... gris gris on their oil wells ...
Drill Here ... Drill Now ...
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:57:17pm |
The ABC story also mentions that the sheikh had these torture sessions taped because he liked to watch them later.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:57:32pm |
re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist
You got a stronger stomach than me. I just don't want to see. Not this evening.
Truth is my weapon.
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:58:01pm |
The torture victim was identified by Nabulsi as an Afghan grain dealer, Mohammed Shah Poor, who the Sheikh accused of short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:58:11pm |
re: #47 JacksonTn
Hell of a straw for a hell of a milkshake.
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Desert Dog Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:58:18pm |
re: #48 Catttt
The ABC story also mentions that the sheikh had these torture sessions taped because he liked to watch them later.
Porn for a sicko megalomaniac.....wonderful. His "highness" is pretty low on my scale
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Ojoe Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:58:22pm |
(This thread is going to need some sanity breaks, this is the first one.)
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:58:49pm |
re: #23 Buster Bunny
If you listen you can hear the bones breaking as it goes over. Sounds like crackling fire .. but its bones.
Sh*t. I didn't watch that far, and didn't even have the sound on. Yep, we're the bad guys!
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:58:53pm |
re: #45 ArmyWife
Hello back. I think Pelosi should watch this a few hundred times. They all have IQs of hamsters, and I apologize in advance for offending hamsters.
Pelosi's IQ is not her problem, it's her lack of humanity.
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Buster Bunny Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:59:08pm |
Just think of the hundreds of times this does not take place on film. I have heard some of the horror stories ... and you always wonder if they are true. Unfortunately I believe that they are .. and there are a lot of people who are killed .. in that country just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and pissing off a local royal member who has had a bad day.
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LGoPs Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:59:15pm |
I heard that bastard Kos on a radio interview last night harping on about us 'living up to our values'. He was totally transparent and it was glaringly obvious to me that he is using feigned outrage strictly as a convenient tool to beat the Bush Administration with.
Kind of like when the hard core leftists will find some obsure bird or fish and use it to bludgeon property or business owners. They don't give a rat's ass about the animal. They just find it a convenient weapon to advance their agenda which is generally described as anything damaging to America.
And I've been listening to their shit for going on 30 years now. And I am really motherfucking fed up.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:59:17pm |
The tortured man was accused of - get this - short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
For this, among other things, the sheikh poured lighter fluid on his testicles and set them on fire.
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:59:21pm |
re: #53 Ojoe
(This thread is going to need some sanity breaks, this is the first one.)
Ah, the sun pulls away from the dock as our ship sinks slowly in the west!
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ArmyWife Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:59:45pm |
re: #48 Catttt
Sounds like a lovely fellow. Perhaps we should invite to the White House for a pizza party, and dialogue about the errors of his ways. Maybe a few minutes gardening with Shelley, perhaps a small parting gift of DVDs to take the place of watching these horrors. Classic American comedy would be appropriate, I believe.
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Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Apr 22, 2009 6:59:48pm |
re: #45 ArmyWife
Hello back. I think Pelosi should watch this a few hundred times. They all have IQs of hamsters, and I apologize in advance for offending hamsters.
Hamsters have a sense of self-reflection and concern that they might be wrong.
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Bloodnok Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:00:23pm |
I am taking your collective word for it, re: this video. I can't watch it.
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Bobblehead Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:00:29pm |
re: #53 Ojoe
(This thread is going to need some sanity breaks, this is the first one.)
That is a particularly beautiful shot. So clear.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:00:37pm |
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:00:48pm |
re: #58 Catttt
You know, there are people who cheated me to whom I wanted to do that...but.
Maybe Bernie Madoff should watch this and then thank the Lord he has a cell.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:00:48pm |
re: #58 Catttt
The tortured man was accused of - get this - short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
For this, among other things, the sheikh poured lighter fluid on his testicles and set them on fire.
Kee-rist.
Guys, I gotta go. Husband wants his computer back--only fair.
Is it wrong to wish I could do unspeakable things to this sheikh person?
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:00:57pm |
Listening to the DNC media's endless loop of hillary clinton spouting bullshit against Vice President Dick Cheney is enough torture for me. Vacuous harpy.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:01:28pm |
Frankly, this makes me ill. There is nothing witty I can say here, and no one's wit will be funny.
Sure, this prince is evil. What is truly evil, though, is that it is ok for him to do all this - he broke no laws here, according to the UAE government.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:01:38pm |
re: #58 Catttt
The tortured man was accused of - get this - short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
For this, among other things, the sheikh poured lighter fluid on his testicles and set them on fire.
Where did you find that info?
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:01:38pm |
The UAE seems like bad news - some mirage out of a "horror" version of the 1001 Nights. I only found out about the "dark side of Dubai" Independent article a few weeks back...
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Bobblehead Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:01:50pm |
re: #58 Catttt
The tortured man was accused of - get this - short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
For this, among other things, the sheikh poured lighter fluid on his testicles and set them on fire.
Inbreeding=Madness
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:01:54pm |
re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist
Charles, forgive me, but I'm not going to press Play.
Incidentally, guys, for all you singles out there, the lady in the SingleMuslim on the right of my screen is very pretty.
I see Newt Gingrich on the right adbar of my screen.
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Buster Bunny Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:02:08pm |
Thank you for bring this to my attention Charles, but I'm going to have to back off to have a cup of coffee or something.
Its very emotional for me seeing ANY human being do something like this.
Back later.
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jcm Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:02:28pm |
re: #57 LGoPs
I heard that bastard Kos on a radio interview last night harping on about us 'living up to our values'. He was totally transparent and it was glaringly obvious to me that he is using feigned outrage strictly as a convenient tool to beat the Bush Administration with.
Kind of like when the hard core leftists will find some obsure bird or fish and use it to bludgeon property or business owners. They don't give a rat's ass about the animal. They just find it a convenient weapon to advance their agenda which is generally described as anything damaging to America.
And I've been listening to their shit for going on 30 years now. And I am really motherfucking fed up.
Our "values" are not a suicide pact, and include a strong measure of violence for use in defending ourselves.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:02:44pm |
re: #28 jcm
Looked at sheik's sister's ankle.
Probably not even that. He's Shi'a They're Sunni, They're in the desert. 'nuf said.
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LGoPs Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:03:11pm |
Outta here before I say what I really feel about all these leftist bastards. /
Later lizards.
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:03:14pm |
I do not watch news on television ... was this talked about on ABC? ... or was it just on the website ... if ABC really wanted to do something they would talk about it on the evening news ... I never understood why the news channels took off the scenes of the towers falling ... people forget ... sad but I believe it is true ... and there are so many people who do not know that this goes on in ... all many people know about the saudis is that they wear robes and have oil ...
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LC LaWedgie Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:03:14pm |
"The incidents depicted in the video tapes were not part of a pattern of behavior," the Interior Ministry's statement declared.
Oh, must've pulled that one out of Dem's talking points on GWB and added the 'not'.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:03:17pm |
re: #68 FrogMarch
Listening to the DNC media's endless loop of hillary clinton spouting bullshit against Vice President Dick Cheney is enough torture for me. Vacuous harpy.
Cheney's not credible.
/she said as she ran from the hearing room ducking sniper fire
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:03:24pm |
I love this one comment after the article:
they must have edited out the worst parts, like putting panties on his head, making him stand against a wall, and making him sit in an uncomfortable position
Pioneer324 9:29 PM
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windhorse Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:03:50pm |
UAE..... partying tonight like its 1699..... uhhhh.... wait a minute that would be 699...
I sure hope Obama apologizes to them right away....
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razorbacker Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:04:23pm |
I've mentioned my friend and neighbor Helen before. She was a nurse in the Philippines and was hired to care for an ailing Saudi royal.
She tells stories that curl your hair. She wouldn't last a day as a LGFer, 'cause she has nothing nice to say about Saudis or Arabs in general.
The nicest thing she'll say about her time in the KSA is that the little kids in the household were cute, until they started to talk.
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Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:04:26pm |
re: #83 Killian Bundy
Cheney's not credible.
/she said as she ran from the hearing room ducking sniper fire
ouch.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:04:38pm |
re: #32 pink freud
This trash gives millions and millions to our universities.
Worse, the universities accept it and ignore things like this (nothing like being open-minded and nonjudgmental).
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LGoPs Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:04:50pm |
re: #77 jcm
Our "values" are not a suicide pact, and include a strong measure of violence for use in defending ourselves.
I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
There truly are enemies among us that wish for our destruction.
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Bobblehead Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:04:50pm |
re: #84 solomonpanting
I love this one comment after the article:
The dreaded "uncomfortable position"
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Archimedes Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:01pm |
re: #48 Catttt
The ABC story also mentions that the sheikh had these torture sessions taped because he liked to watch them later.
I'm glad to see the msm concerned over this issue for a change. Don't know what made them do it, but it's about time. They should also publicize the kinds of torture, stonings and hangings done in Iran.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:06pm |
re: #58 Catttt
The tortured man was accused of - get this - short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
For this, among other things, the sheikh poured lighter fluid on his testicles and set them on fire.
Obama: "very important for us to be sensitive to local culture"
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:09pm |
re: #71 reine.de.tout
Where did you find that info?
It's in the ABC story, and kudos to them for the detail in it. The west fricking needs to know what kind of goverment rules in the UAE.
That is only one of a number of despicable, horrific cruelties, including cattle prod torture and pouring salt in wounds.
Being summarily executed with a shot to the head suddenly seems almost mild by comparison.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:12pm |
re: #32 pink freud
This trash gives millions and millions to our universities.
I know, and that fact scares me, a lot.
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FrogMarch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:23pm |
re: #83 Killian Bundy
Cheney's not credible.
/she said as she ran from the hearing room ducking sniper fire
run Hillary run.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:26pm |
re: #70 Catttt
Frankly, this makes me ill. There is nothing witty I can say here, and no one's wit will be funny.
Yeesh. I know, the whiplash, it aches...
Sure, this prince is evil. What is truly evil, though, is that it is ok for him to do all this - he broke no laws here, according to the UAE government.
Uh huh. Let's not forget that UAE was some of the two or three countries to recognise the Taliban as the legitimate ownersrulers of Afghanistan.
I hope our trolls are listening... and, for that matter, the fanclub of Taki and Buchanan should listen too.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:56pm |
re: #92 pink freud
Obama: "very important for us to be sensitive to local culture"
Well, I'd eat rats and live in a cave before doing business with these people, and that's for damn sure.
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thebigolddog Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:05:59pm |
[Nicky]
Got a lot of holes
in the desert...
and a lot of problems
are buried in those holes.
Except you gotta do it right.
I mean, you gotta have
the hole already dug...
before you show up
with a package in the trunk.
Otherwise, you're talking about
a half hour or 45 minutes of diggin'.
And who knows who's gonna
be comin' along in that time?
Before you know it,
you gotta dig a few more holes
You could be there
all f'ckin' night.
[Scatting]
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:06:19pm |
re: #65 reine.de.tout
Pink - you had 3 people listed.
I had to go back and grab Jackson, but I forgot to change my 'both'!
OTOH, its ben that kinda day....
Hi Reine! :-)
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Jimash Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:06:37pm |
re: #36 Mich-again
Was that man guilty of Preventing Virtue or Promoting Vice?
Probably a traffic infraction.
Emirates. Your new capitol of world business and high-life travel.
Yuck.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:06:56pm |
re: #41 Desert Dog
Tickle feathers and wet willies....wedgies are just too cruel
And don't even think about threatening to throw the Koran in the toilet!
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:07:22pm |
This torture from the M.E.doesn't matter!
It's the U.S.A. methods that make the rainbow-unicorns cry.
"0"(pronounced zero) is gunna' get us killed!
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:07:42pm |
re: #20 Desert Dog
20 Desert Dog
What's his "crime", I wonder?
Shorted the Sheik on a grain deal. Vic is not UAE citizen, but a foreign national. The article said this type of thing happens a lot, that the sheik who did the torture gets off on it, and his brother likes to watch it later on tape and then he gets off. I think I'm going to be sick...........this is just another one of many reasons why we should drill HERE and drill NOW so not another American $$ goes to those sadistic facists. Any lefties reading this? Get a clue.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:07:57pm |
Real torture is listening to any liberal speak for more than a minute.
Apparently, the Obama administration doesn't seem to care too much about torture, especially when the victims are Americans.
The Obama administration has asked a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit against Iran filed by Americans held hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran 30 years ago.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Ojoe Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:08:00pm |
re: #75 Buster Bunny
Perhaps someone is no longer really human if he crosses certain boundaries.
It is a difficult and dangerous question to answer, but sometimes I think it must be asked, and answered.
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alegrias Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:08:08pm |
re: #55 pink freud
Pelosi's IQ is not her problem, it's her lack of humanity.
* * * *
Pelosi PARTIED with Syria's Bashir Al Assad, the Western trained guy whose father basically tortured/wiped out an entire city, HAMA. And who let Al Qaeda kill Americans from Syria.
Other democrats who hung out with these odious types included John Kerry, Keith Ellison, Bill Nelson the former Astronaut. I know there's more dems who've danced willingly with these torturers, while BASHING THE CIA public servants.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:08:39pm |
re: #99 pink freud
I had to go back and grab Jackson, but I forgot to change my 'both'!
OTOH, its ben that kinda day....Hi Reine! :-)
I figured that video shook you up - it did me.
How awful, I can't imagine.
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srb1976 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:08:54pm |
re: #88 Unakite
Worse, the universities accept it and ignore things like this (nothing like being open-minded and nonjudgmental).
Right, because these guys are so much better to have on campus than ROTC
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Rancher Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:09:55pm |
John Yoo, CIA memo lawyer, goes on offense
"Three thousand of our fellow citizens had been killed in a deliberate attack by a foreign enemy," Yoo told a packed auditorium on the Orange County campus. "That forced us in the government to have to consider measures to gain information using presidential constitutional provisions to protect the country from further attack."In a war with a non-state enemy that doesn't follow international law, getting information from captured combatants is vital, said Yoo, now a tenured law professor at the University of California, Berkeley. He said 50 percent of U.S. intelligence about Al Qaeda was gleaned from interrogations.
"Was it worth it?" he asked, brushing off the reaction. "We haven't had an attack in more than seven years."
I love this quote from the article:
Other legal scholars on both sides of the political spectrum, though, supported the notion of a nonjudgmental inquiry to shed light on where legal advisers went wrong in accommodating the harsh interrogation tactics.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:09:58pm |
The torture victim was identified by Nabulsi as an Afghan grain dealer, Mohammed Shah Poor, who the Sheikh accused of short changing on a grain delivery to his royal ranch on the outskirts of Abu Dhabi.
The UAE government, in its statement, says the matter was settled privately between the Sheikh and the grain dealer, "by agreeing not to bring formal charges against each other, i.e., theft on the one hand and assault on the other hand."
No words.
And remember, the UAE is supposed to be a relatively "moderate", "modern" Gulf state.
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:10:36pm |
re: #106 Ojoe
Perhaps someone is no longer really human if he crosses certain boundaries.
It is a difficult and dangerous question to answer, but sometimes I think it must be asked, and answered.
Ojoe ... I have wondered that myself ... is there some point when their soul leaves ... it is just so hard to imagine evil ... what must lurk in the mind of someone who does this ... I feel the same about people who hurt children ... I cannot think about it long because it leaves me feeling ... I don't even know how to describe it ... I am a believer in prayer and that is the only thing that helps me ... it is not for me to understand ...
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razorbacker Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:11:38pm |
When you are addicted to the drug, you learn to dance when the pusher-man whistles his merry tune.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:11:45pm |
re: #112 Occasional Reader
theft on the one hand
= cuttong off a hand in addition to what the vic has already survived!
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:12:08pm |
re: #113 JacksonTn
Ojoe ... I have wondered that myself ... is there some point when their soul leaves ... it is just so hard to imagine evil ... what must lurk in the mind of someone who does this ... I feel the same about people who hurt children ... I cannot think about it long because it leaves me feeling ... I don't even know how to describe it ... I am a believer in prayer and that is the only thing that helps me ... it is not for me to understand ...
This is FOOD for some souls ....foolish to pretend otherwise.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:12:34pm |
re: #106 Ojoe
Perhaps someone is no longer really human if he crosses certain boundaries.
It is a difficult and dangerous question to answer, but sometimes I think it must be asked, and answered.
I'd say that this behavior, while dark and evil, is all too human. Animals seldom torture each other with cattle prods, so to speak.
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:12:47pm |
re: #116 pink freud
This is FOOD for some souls ....foolish to pretend otherwise.
PF ... it is horrific ... evil ...
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Ojoe Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:13:16pm |
re: #113 JacksonTn
It is hard to understand.
But an old college professor of mine, a Scott he was, called the death penalty "basic social hygiene."
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huckfunn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:13:43pm |
Remember what Long John Silver said?
Them that dies will be the lucky ones.
Oh, I'm sorry; I should have posted this on the pirate thread.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:13:50pm |
re: #116 pink freud
This is FOOD for some souls ....foolish to pretend otherwise.
I agree. Just goes to prove that evil does exist. Oh yeah, and that absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
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myairplane Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:13:52pm |
Charles,
Please add your own waring. I didnt trust ABC's warning and now I regret watching. That was awful!
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:13:57pm |
re: #89 LGoPs
I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
There truly are enemies among us that wish for our destruction.
Upding for anyone who swore an oath to defend the Constitution (thank you for your service).
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jcm Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:14:01pm |
re: #89 LGoPs
I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
There truly are enemies among us that wish for our destruction.
As did I.
The founders were willing to use violence to found the Republic on our values.
When in the last 233 years was the decision made to eschew violence in maintaining those values?
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:14:54pm |
re: #120 Ojoe
It is hard to understand.
But an old college professor of mine, a Scott he was, called the death penalty "basic social hygiene."
Ojoe ... I know ... but I struggle with the death penalty ... I want it for some but I struggle with it ... I understand it but it is still hard ...
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:15:43pm |
Sheik Issa's lawyer Bristow is a partner in the same firm as former Secretary of State James Baker.
[Link: www.bakerbotts.com...]
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:16:05pm |
re: #122 countrygurl
I agree. Just goes to prove that evil does exist. Oh yeah, and that absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
I believe this goes far beyond a need or lust for power, countrygurl ....this is something much deeper. And yes, as stated above, there's a pornographic sexual element to it; of this I have no doubt.
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Eagle Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:16:12pm |
The fist holding the whip appears to be clenched.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:16:23pm |
re: #101 Unakite
And don't even think about threatening to throw the Koran in the toilet!
If I were male, I'd rather have some stupid people making fun of my balls than someone setting them on fire, and that's for damn sure.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:16:55pm |
re: #125 jcm
The founders were willing to use violence to found the Republic on our values.
When in the last 233 years was the decision made to eschew violence in maintaining those values?
So right you are. They pledged their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor. Liberty for posterity meant everything to them. The cost of freedom is soon forgotten by those who haven't paid the price.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:17:02pm |
re: #103 buzzsawmonkey
Running around in nightgowns drives men mad.
Boy, I'm glad I don't run around in nightgowns! :)
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:18:40pm |
re: #128 jaunte
Sheik Issa's lawyer Bristow is a partner in the same firm as former Secretary of State James Baker.
[Link: www.bakerbotts.com...]
I am SO glad that in my legal career, I've never had to do anything REMOTELY like defend (or run PR interference) for a sadistic monster like this.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:20:24pm |
re: #135 Occasional Reader
I hope everyone in the firm has a chance to see this.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:21:21pm |
re: #129 pink freud
... a need or lust for power
, yeah, I agree this horrible evil man is way beyond "need or lust." He is totally corrupted, to the core by his power. No one can stop him. He is accountable to no one--not even his god.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:22:55pm |
re: #106 Ojoe
Perhaps someone is no longer really human if he crosses certain boundaries.
It is a difficult and dangerous question to answer, but sometimes I think it must be asked, and answered.
I think you're right, but I think it is more that someone is no longer really human if (s)he is just in the wrong place at the wrong time (and the boundaries are country borders and time is historical). Not a difficult question to ask, but difficult to answer.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:24:17pm |
re: #109 srb1976
Right, because these guys are so much better to have on campus than ROTC
//////////
:)
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joecitizen Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:24:19pm |
down dinged for insulting terrorists and torturers..thanks alegrias!
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Dar ul Harb Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:25:12pm |
re: #128 jaunte
Sheik Issa's lawyer Bristow is a partner in the same firm as former Secretary of State James Baker.
[Link: www.bakerbotts.com...]
When the story quotes him as saying "the tape is the tape," I know that means the lawyer has run out of excuses to defend his client's actions.
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joecitizen Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:25:24pm |
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:27:52pm |
re: #92 pink freud
Obama: "very important for us to be sensitive to local culture"
.........especially when we need their oil.
DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:28:09pm |
re: #144 joecitizen
scuse me?
Talking like you did could be interpreted as a racist rant, and thus an attempt to sneak such material onto LGF. I may be wrong about that and withhold judgment for the time being, but your words disturbed me.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:29:35pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
do you mean as in a certain male appendage sighting?
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Dustyvet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:29:44pm |
The government statement said its review found "all rules, policies and procedures were followed correctly by the Police Department."
A man in a UAE police uniform is seen on the tape tying the victim's arms and legs, and later holding him down as the Sheikh pours salt on the man's wounds and then drives over him with his Mercedes SUV.
all rules, rules, policies and procedures.
Imagine the MSM outrage if this had happened in NYC, Chicago, LA, or any other city in the United States.
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joecitizen Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:29:46pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Talking like you did could be interpreted as a racist rant, and thus an attempt to sneak such material onto LGF. I may be wrong about that and withhold judgment for the time being, but your words disturbed me.
you are barking way the hell up the wrong tree pal..
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:29:55pm |
Think about this - the UAE government says the sheikh did nothing illegal - the police were correct in the matter also (one of those torture helpers is a cop).
And the UAE thinks this will settle the matter. The west will go "OH, ok, no foul - it was legal. Nothing to see here then."
I sense a cultural divide deeper than the Great Bahama Canyon.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:30:08pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Talking like you did could be interpreted as a racist rant, and thus an attempt to sneak such material onto LGF. I may be wrong about that and withhold judgment for the time being, but your words disturbed me.
In all fairness, "all" may simply mean those who commit these acts.
IMO, joe is no moby.
/the damn thing hits you in the gut ...
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meeshlr Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:31:07pm |
re: #23 Buster Bunny
If you listen you can hear the bones breaking as it goes over. Sounds like crackling fire .. but its bones.
But you don't hear a sound from him. Sickening.
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joecitizen Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:31:11pm |
re: #151 pink freud
In all fairness, "all" may simply mean those who commit these acts.
IMO, joe is no moby.
/the damn thing hits you in the gut ...
ty
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stuiec Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:31:37pm |
If Obama really, truly believes that EITs are torture, shouldn't he order that US agencies not use the fruits of torture for any intelligence purposes? 'Cause, y'know, that torture-derived information is morally equivalent to the data from Nazi medical experiments... right?
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:31:45pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Talking like you did could be interpreted as a racist rant, and thus an attempt to sneak such material onto LGF. I may be wrong about that and withhold judgment for the time being, but your words disturbed me.
DF ... I didn't get that from what he wrote ... I say f*ck them all too ... this is some bad sh*t ...
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:32:11pm |
re: #113 JacksonTn
You said one thing; "I cannot think about it long because it leaves me feeling ... I don't even know how to describe it ...," that I think puts into words how every decent person feels. It's called conscience. It's called knowing right from wrong. One thing it's not..., it's not moral relativism.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:32:34pm |
re: #148 Dustyvet
(followed) all rules, rules, policies and procedures.
Maybe the rules say they are SUPPOSED to do those things......in which case, it would be true that all the rules were followed.
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:32:35pm |
re: #116 pink freud
I can take just about anything, as a retired RN, I have seen things I would like to forget, but can't. However, anything that I have seen pales in comparison to barbarism on that level.
When our kids were babies? I was such a wimp that my husband had to clip their finger and toe nails. But seeing what they do to their kids? Just unbelievable. Here it would be called child abuse.
This is the 21th Century, damn it, not the Dark Ages...it seems that for the cult of islam that they are stuck in the past, so far back that nothing would ever bring them even to the 16th Century.
Behind all their riches lurks an evil and a rigid call to them from the minarets to torture and kill, stone, bury women in the ground with their heads showing as their heads are torn off by the savages who know no other way.
And how they treat children? May G-d help the innocent children. The elders have no concept of humanity, and this is inculcated into the chilrens' heads from birth. And the Western world still expects Israel to live with those to whom an honor killing of one's daughter, mother, sister, etc.?
No. They are not fit to live in any country that is not a cult member.
And slowly but surely they are coming here in droves. Some come here to live away from their brutal homelands, but IMHO the majority come here to try and bring their cult here, and make us all accept their cult one way or another. Look at Eurabia and be afraid. Be very afraid.
Over my dead body would I accept their cult.
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meeshlr Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:33:53pm |
re: #148 Dustyvet
I'll bet that it wouldn't take long to find someone justifying this and criticizing us for being outraged. They will argue cultural relativity ... that we can't judge another culture.
I think that we can judge and the actions in that video are disgusting.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:33:57pm |
re: #150 Catttt
Think about this - the UAE government says the sheikh did nothing illegal - the police were correct in the matter also (one of those torture helpers is a cop).
And the UAE thinks this will settle the matter. The west will go "OH, ok, no foul - it was legal. Nothing to see here then."
I sense a cultural divide deeper than the Great Bahama Canyon.
Hey, it must be a cultural thing. Who are we to judge?
/
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:34:18pm |
re: #156 Unakite
You said one thing; "I cannot think about it long because it leaves me feeling ... I don't even know how to describe it ...," that I think puts into words how every decent person feels. It's called conscience. It's called knowing right from wrong. One thing it's not..., it's not moral relativism.
Unakite. Take this fucking video to damn near any college campus in America. Show it. Ask the persons who have just watched it if we have the right to judge this atrocity one way or another. See what you get.
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joecitizen Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:35:39pm |
re: #159 meeshlr
I'll bet that it wouldn't take long to find someone justifying this and criticizing us for being outraged. They will argue cultural relativity ... that we can't judge another culture.
I think that we can judge and the actions in that video are disgusting.
see Dark Falcon's 146
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:36:11pm |
re: #158 NY Nana
I can take just about anything, as a retired RN, I have seen things I would like to forget, but can't. However, anything that I have seen pales in comparison to barbarism on that level.
When our kids were babies? I was such a wimp that my husband had to clip their finger and toe nails. But seeing what they do to their kids? Just unbelievable. Here it would be called child abuse.
This is the 21th Century, damn it, not the Dark Ages...it seems that for the cult of islam that they are stuck in the past, so far back that nothing would ever bring them even to the 16th Century.
Behind all their riches lurks an evil and a rigid call to them from the minarets to torture and kill, stone, bury women in the ground with their heads showing as their heads are torn off by the savages who know no other way.
And how they treat children? May G-d help the innocent children. The elders have no concept of humanity, and this is inculcated into the chilrens' heads from birth. And the Western world still expects Israel to live with those to whom an honor killing of one's daughter, mother, sister, etc.?
No. They are not fit to live in any country that is not a cult member.
And slowly but surely they are coming here in droves. Some come here to live away from their brutal homelands, but IMHO the majority come here to try and bring their cult here, and make us all accept their cult one way or another. Look at Eurabia and be afraid. Be very afraid.
Over my dead body would I accept their cult.
G_d bless your voice and your words, Nana. You speak for me in perfectly-matched cadence.
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razorbacker Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:36:25pm |
Shocking. Simply shocking.
The intolerance of LGFers to other cultures.
Don't judge another until you've walked a mile in his shoes. And judging from the sound of that fellow's leg-bones when the Mercedes ran over them, his shoes are available.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:36:26pm |
Smells like...
*sniff*
The Arab World.
Lovely stuff. Another "If only the camera was a gun" moment brought to you by our allies in the middle east.
I wonder if they paid for any of my "Cultural Studies" classes in high school?
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:36:34pm |
re: #155 JacksonTn
DF ... I didn't get that from what he wrote ... I say f*ck them all too ... this is some bad sh*t ...
I understand the desire to say that. I'm number one on google for a phrase that includes a quote attributed to Pope Innocent III that I can't post here. All I can say is that I was royally pissed off when I made the video in 2002.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:37:20pm |
re: #149 joecitizen
you are barking way the hell up the wrong tree pal..
If Pink Freud vouches for you, that is good enough for me. Please consider my statement withdrawn.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:37:34pm |
re: #128 jaunte
Sheik Issa's lawyer Bristow is a partner in the same firm as former Secretary of State James Baker.
[Link: www.bakerbotts.com...]
Big surprise!
/not really.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:37:59pm |
re: #131 Catttt
If I were male, I'd rather have some stupid people making fun of my balls than someone setting them on fire, and that's for damn sure.
Point well taken, but the the "enlightened ones" in the ME seem to have a whole separate set of (un)pleasantries for females, also. And the scary thing is it appears to be fun for the people on the giving side of the equation.
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Jimash Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:38:37pm |
re: #150 Catttt
They can do anything they want. After all they are not "countries", they are "emirates". It's not just a name . The US should prohibit companies such as Halliburton from moving their businesses there.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:39:00pm |
re: #161 pink freud
I know you are right. My brother (a conservative, retired Marine) teaches philosophy and logic at a California campus. He tells me about this "moral relativism" all the time and how the kids today don't know right from wrong and REFUSE to call a spade a spade because it's wrong to judge. (Bet you a dollar someone calls me a racist for that last remark that has NOTHING to do with race.)
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joecitizen Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:39:07pm |
re: #167 Dark_Falcon
If Pink Freud vouches for you, that is good enough for me. Please consider my statement withdrawn.
accepto..
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:40:16pm |
re: #160 funky chicken
Hey, it must be a cultural thing. Who are we to judge?
/
We are free men and women.
I saw your sarc tab but just had to say it.
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stuiec Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:40:31pm |
re: #10 sneezey
Only a matter of time before our president tolerates a 40 minute diatribe from the head of the UAE, or is handed an anti-american book, or better yet bows to him. Change we can all believe in.
Oh, NO. The UAE is a right-wing sheikhdom, friendly to George Bush and the West. So torture there is a grave human rights concern to Obama.
Now, if this tape were from Syria, Libya or Iran, then yeah, it'd be a simple matter of cultural differences to our President.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:42:21pm |
re: #167 Dark_Falcon
Thank you, Dark_Falcon. The sentiment is reciprocal.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:42:36pm |
More about the story:
Nabulsi is suing for millions he says he is owed for various business deals. He also charges Sheik Issa and other members of the royal family with false imprisonment and with torturing him. Buzbee says he has three other torture videos.If he prevails, his lawyers said they would try to seize Issa's U.S. assets, which could include portions of the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, which is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world and has an estimated $875 billion in assets. Last year it invested $7.5 billion in Citigroup.
The lawsuit has been languishing in a Houston federal court for nearly two years as attorneys tried to serve Issa and others with court papers. Efforts to deliver the documents to the royal family through UAE lawyers have failed and a confirmation of mail delivery was returned unsigned, according to court records.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:43:05pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
Potential moby sighting.
I'm not an expert, but over 1,800 posts and karma of 655. Good or bad?
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:43:09pm |
"They were my security, really, to make my case that this man is capable of doing what I say he can do," said Nabulsi in an interview to be broadcast Wednesday on the ABC News program Nightline.Nabulsi says the video tapes were recorded by his brother, on orders from the Sheikh who liked to watch the torture sessions later in his royal palace.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:44:03pm |
re: #176 jaunte
I know one thing. I wouldn't want to be the guy serving those papers.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:44:19pm |
re: #171 countrygurl
I know you are right. My brother (a conservative, retired Marine) teaches philosophy and logic at a California campus. He tells me about this "moral relativism" all the time and how the kids today don't know right from wrong and REFUSE to call a spade a spade because it's wrong to judge. (Bet you a dollar someone calls me a racist for that last remark that has NOTHING to do with race.)
You've got a strong voice, countrygurl. Good to see you posting more lately.
RACIST!
/j/k! :-)
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ORD neighbor Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:44:36pm |
UAE needs to be on whatever body UN has regarding torture. It certainly looks like they really know a lot about torture, therefore they should probably co-chair it or something.
/do I need to?
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odorlesspaintthinner Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:44:46pm |
Did the UN raise a fuss about this? Is Dhimmi Carter going to write another ridiculously off-base book about this? Of course not. Why?
Because torture in these countries is expected.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:44:51pm |
re: #181 Catttt
I know one thing. I wouldn't want to be the guy serving those papers.
They need a Festo Penguin.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:45:20pm |
re: #177 Unakite
I'm not an expert, but over 1,800 posts and karma of 655. Good or bad?
My post at #142 should be considered withdrawn. That list of posts and karma, coupled with Pink Freud's vouching for Joe, has convinced me that I was in error.
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JacksonTn Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:45:32pm |
re: #166 Catttt
I understand the desire to say that. I'm number one on google for a phrase that includes a quote attributed to Pope Innocent III that I can't post here. All I can say is that I was royally pissed off when I made the video in 2002.
Catttt ... to me ... saying f*ck them all .. is not the same as saying "kill" them all ... I do not feel that way ... I am not crazy about islam and creeping sharia ... but I do not want to try to tell people how to worship ... I do feel that our country needs to do more to defend and keep safe our people from the murdering people of islam who feel the need to kill us and impose their sharia on us ... I definitely am disappointed in Obama for not making it more clear exactly how he will stand against this murderers ...
probably not making sense ... but it makes me angry ...
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:45:44pm |
re: #155 JacksonTn
DF ... I didn't get that from what he wrote ... I say f*ck them all too ... this is some bad sh*t ...
I agree. I didn't take it the other way.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:46:40pm |
re: #169 Unakite
Point well taken, but the the "enlightened ones" in the ME seem to have a whole separate set of (un)pleasantries for females, also. And the scary thing is it appears to be fun for the people on the giving side of the equation.
Oh, absolutely - they are bisexual - so to speak - torturers. I still find balls being set on fire horrific, even though I don't have a set of them. :D
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:47:54pm |
re: #188 JacksonTn
Arrrrrghhhh - you said it! Don't say it here!
I was really pissed off at the time. REALLY pissed off.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:47:58pm |
The news hasn't reached the Amnesty International website yet.
[Link: www.amnesty.org...]
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BingoBunny Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:48:40pm |
Oh my he is creating so many infidels.. and enemies of UAE.. I bet the next shiek in that country investigates the heck outa him.
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Jimash Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:49:44pm |
re: #192 jaunte
I wonder how many there are like this in the new financial capitol of the world ?
From Amnesty:
"Businessperson Alsadiq Siddiq Adam Abdullah, a Sudanese national and UK resident, has not been heard from since 5 November 2007. He was in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) at the time he went missing. He may have been subjected to enforced disappearance. His family fears that he is held by the security forces in the UAE, and is at risk of torture and ill-treatment."
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:49:55pm |
re: #186 jaunte
They need a Festo Penguin.
Don't we all? Seriously, I'm THIS CLOSE to buying a Roomba. Penguins are all well and good, but do they vacuum? No.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:50:08pm |
I hope that this vile video does not serve as a foil to negate the arguably legitimate use of certain forms of torture by the military when used to obtain crucial life-saving information from high value enemy combatants in deadly conflict situations.
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Dustyvet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:51:31pm |
re: #192 jaunte
The news hasn't reached the Amnesty International website yet.
[Link: www.amnesty.org...]
I really think that Amnesty International could give a rats hind quarters about this kind of torture. Having said that, had this been done at Gitmo, they'd be yelling their lungs out.
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Jimash Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:51:39pm |
re: #196 Spare O'Lake
Dead issue. New regime of interogation includes tour of the UN and lunch at Lincoln Center. Ice skating in season.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:51:43pm |
This has been a hell of a damn week so far.
Taking hot bath with good book.
Later, gators.
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:52:06pm |
re: #163 pink freud
You speak for me in perfectly-matched cadence.
Thank you....it is just that seeing all the videos from MEMRI, seeing the brutality on TV, and also the father who lived here, in our country, who took his 2 sweet daughters for a ride in his cab, and killed them for the crime of acting 'American'?
And the videos of the perverted Disney characters brain washing children to grow up in that lovely one-off profession, homicide bomber? I will gladly deal with all the Jewish mother jokes re 'my son the lawyer' (and I really do have one) and the obligatory 'my son, the doctor'....here any mother wants her child to be well educated, race or religion, irrelevent..but to them? They stay back in the Dark ages.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:52:12pm |
re: #161 pink freud
Unakite. Take this fucking video to damn near any college campus in America. Show it. Ask the persons who have just watched it if we have the right to judge this atrocity one way or another. See what you get.
I hope I wasn't misunderstood, or maybe I misunderstand your comment. I was referring to JT's comment as not being "moral relativism." If I read your comment correctly, I agree. I'm afraid what what the answer would be if the question was asked.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:52:18pm |
re: #190 Catttt
Oh, absolutely - they are bisexual - so to speak - torturers. I still find balls being set on fire horrific, even though I don't have a set of them. :D
Oh, I dunno, Catttt. I read something you wrote the other night defending Susan Boyle. What a fine and inspiring piece of writing. You hit the nail square on the head and just blew me away.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:52:54pm |
re: #196 Spare O'Lake
I gotta tell you, the military guys I know (and my husband's one, so I know quite a few) are pretty much all anti-torture, period.
Keeping somebody up late at night, or playing loud music, or fooling around with the thermostat? not torture, of course.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:53:36pm |
re: #195 Catttt
Don't we all? Seriously, I'm THIS CLOSE to buying a Roomba. Penguins are all well and good, but do they vacuum? No.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:54:27pm |
re: #182 pink freud Thanks. I'm on vacation....got a little time on my hands. I love LGF.
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abolitionist Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:54:35pm |
The government statement said its review found "all rules, policies and procedures were followed correctly by the Police Department."
I totally missed the electric cattle prods and wooden planks with protruding nails.
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Dustyvet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:55:04pm |
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Rancher Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:55:10pm |
re: #196 Spare O'Lake
I hope that this vile video does not serve as a foil to negate the arguably legitimate use of certain forms of torture by the military when used to obtain crucial life-saving information from high value enemy combatants in deadly conflict situations.
They are S.E.R.E. techniques, not torture. My own son went through these under Clinton, do we get to prosecute that administration?
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:55:30pm |
re: #201 Unakite
I hope I wasn't misunderstood, or maybe I misunderstand your comment. I was referring to JT's comment as not being "moral relativism." If I read your comment correctly, I agree. I'm afraid what what the answer would be if the question was asked.
Please take no offense at my tone, unakite ...it wasn't directed at you. I spend most of my time on a college campus. I KNOW what the reaction would be ...and it sticks in my craw like mad.
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A Kiwi Infidel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:57:16pm |
I watch the vid with the sound off. From the comments it would appear that was a good choice.
I cannot help wondering what is gunna happen to the dude who shot the video, or whoever it was who released it to the world. Unless, of course, they are proud of their actions and have no problem with the world seeing, first hand, their meting out justice.
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NavyGunner86 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:58:01pm |
OK, big deal. So ABC got footage. This kind of thing goes on all the time over there, if you think for a minute that it doesn't you're crazy. The tribal social structure necessitates that you treat people weaker than you like animals and you are a fawning, obsequious ass-kisser to those you perceive to be stronger than you. I saw women and kids whipped in the middle of shopping malls in the "progressive" UAE (Dubai) so I can only imagine what is going on in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. These people only understand power - that's why they love us when we are bombing the hell out of them and they totally despise us when we sit down at the table to negotiate with them.
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retief_99 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:58:21pm |
This is a perfect example of relativity I have written about before. Elements in America are going ballistic about water boarding three men who we knew were terrorists. We made them stay in cold rooms ( ever spent the night in the drunk tank?), preyed on their fear of bugs ( in an instant of childish immaturity, has anyone thrown a bug on a playmate?). Here we see a example of real torture, I am sure used not to gather critical information, but as a tool of punishment for some perceived misbehavior. We don't treat mass murderers this way. Child killers are slated for rehabilitation in our justice system. We worry that criminals we execute might feel something unpleasant as they die. People from the President of the United States on down need to wake up and realize the types of thinking we are dealing with and how they will act in the desire to hurt, maim, and kill us if we are not vigilant.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:58:38pm |
MARCH 24, 2009
Las Vegas Property Venture Is in Peril
Dubai World Sues Partner MGM Mirage in Bid to Limit Exposure to Troubled $8.6 Billion City Center ProjectBy JEFFREY MCCRACKEN and TAMARA AUDI
A highly touted real-estate partnership between a major Dubai investor and one of the biggest casino operators in the U.S. is in danger of blowing up amid a plunge in Las Vegas gambling and tourism revenues.
Dubai World, a conglomerate owned by the Dubai government, is suing to limit its exposure to its troubled venture with MGM Mirage to develop the $8.6 billion City Center project on the Las Vegas Strip.
In a lawsuit filed Monday in Delaware Chancery Court, Dubai World asked the court to free it from making future payments and fulfilling other obligations under its partnership deal with MGM Mirage. It also blamed MGM Mirage for massive cost overruns on City Center -- a resort and residential complex rising on nearly 67 acres in the heart of Las Vegas. The project is owned jointly by MGM Mirage and a Dubai World subsidiary called Infinity World.
In a potentially greater blow to the project, Dubai World signaled in the lawsuit that it probably won't make a $100 million payment on the City Center project that is due Friday. That would intensify the financial pressure on the project and on MGM Mirage, both of which are struggling to meet looming debt obligations.
not exactly reliable business partners either....
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 7:59:56pm |
re: #190 Catttt
Oh, absolutely - they are bisexual - so to speak - torturers. I still find balls being set on fire horrific, even though I don't have a set of them. :D
I have a little more personal interest and I find balls being set on fire horrific too. Fortunately, I live in a society where it is not very likely to happen (and DAMN glad of it). :)
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nadnerb Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:00:45pm |
The car at the end of the video looks like a MBZ Gelandewagen. These shit heads have money of course.
Meanwhile, the main debate of the day here is whether or not the tactics used in interrogating Al Qaeda members is humane. Would anyone in our intelligence community do anything like this? All this apologizing and kow-towing of our naive President is just so completely stupid. The day of common sense is done.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:01:03pm |
re: #203 funky chicken
I gotta tell you, the military guys I know (and my husband's one, so I know quite a few) are pretty much all anti-torture, period.
Keeping somebody up late at night, or playing loud music, or fooling around with the thermostat? not torture, of course.
It is a terrible thing but it has its place in very limited and tightly controlled circumstances.
For example if we captured a top ranked AQ leader who we were certain had knowledge of an imminent plot to kill thousands of innocent civilians...
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:02:33pm |
re: #211 NavyGunner86
that's why they love us when we are bombing the hell out of them and they totally despise us when we sit down at the table to negotiate with them.
The bombing part....that's when we prove that WE are the strongest tribe -- and that is what they respect. The sniveling part where we beg for friendship............not so much.
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Wilderstad Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:03:00pm |
Allah may be merciful.
It's clear too many of its followers don't have any mercy, compassion, empathy, regret, and little or no remorse except when caught. Even worse, they get off on hurting others. That's called psychopathy.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:04:03pm |
It just occurred to me, but if they're going to investigate "torture" does that include the rendition programs?
/what about all those bad people Billy Jeff sent to places like Egypt for real torture?
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Sunlight Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:04:39pm |
At the end of the story at the link, it points out that the sheik is being represented by James Baker's law firm. Ugh. I will be ever so glad if we could get ourselves off of middle east oil so we can go against these Uncle type relationships. They have a plan to discredit the guy who gave ABC the tape.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:04:53pm |
re: #208 Rancher
They are S.E.R.E. techniques, not torture. My own son went through these under Clinton, do we get to prosecute that administration?
Hell yes, sue the byastid!
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:05:26pm |
re: #209 pink freud
Please take no offense at my tone, unakite ...it wasn't directed at you. I spend most of my time on a college campus. I KNOW what the reaction would be ...and it sticks in my craw like mad.
I wasn't sure, but thanks. I'm afraid that I know what the reaction would be too.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:05:41pm |
Kos Kids are pretty solid behind the moral equivalence spin on this story.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:07:14pm |
We don't use torture. No, sir. We just send the guys we want really tortured to nice places like Egypt. Honest, we're as white as snow.
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Unakite Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:07:37pm |
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:09:08pm |
re: #211 NavyGunner86
These people only understand power - that's why they love us when we are bombing the hell out of them and they totally despise us when we sit down at the table to negotiate with them.
Nutshell.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:09:27pm |
re: #224 jaunte
it was torture to read the daily kos remarks, harder than watching the video.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:09:43pm |
re: #225 Cato the Elder
We don't use torture. No, sir. We just send the guys we want really tortured to nice places like Egypt. Honest, we're as white as snow.
Or even to Syria, for crying out loud. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
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Code Red 21 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:12:58pm |
re: #211 NavyGunner86
OK, big deal. So ABC got footage. This kind of thing goes on all the time over there, if you think for a minute that it doesn't you're crazy. The tribal social structure necessitates that you treat people weaker than you like animals and you are a fawning, obsequious ass-kisser to those you perceive to be stronger than you. I saw women and kids whipped in the middle of shopping malls in the "progressive" UAE (Dubai) so I can only imagine what is going on in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. These people only understand power - that's why they love us when we are bombing the hell out of them and they totally despise us when we sit down at the table to negotiate with them.
I don't think BO got this memo before he went on his ass kissing tour.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:15:47pm |
re: #224 jaunte
Kos Kids are pretty solid behind the moral equivalence spin on this story.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
From that cesspool:
"I wager that the right wingers will latch on to this as an example of "real" torture and that anything less (i.e., waterboarding) doesn't count."
/Surprise, surprise ....
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Egregious Philbin Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:16:20pm |
So, scaring a guy who planned the death of 3000 people with a catepillar is torture, but this isn't because they have royal connections.
Oh, joy, I sure hope my city is not targeted in the next attack.
Thanks democrats, the upcoming blood will be on your heads.
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countrygurl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:18:22pm |
bedtime on the right coast - ttyl - thanks for the night cap.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:18:26pm |
re: #221 Sunlight
At the end of the story at the link, it points out that the sheik is being represented by James Baker's law firm. Ugh. I will be ever so glad if we could get ourselves off of middle east oil so we can go against these Uncle type relationships. They have a plan to discredit the guy who gave ABC the tape.
God forbid we should develop that oil shale in Colorado and Wyoming.
/Ken Salazar
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:21:45pm |
re: #231 pink freud
From that cesspool:
"I wager that the right wingers will latch on to this as an example of "real" torture and that anything less (i.e., waterboarding) doesn't count."
/Surprise, surprise ....
It may dawn on them at some point that to detach from these tyrants we need to develop our own sources of energy, and use present day technology while we wait for the magical green tech to be developed. But I think they'd really prefer fewer people as a solution.
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zickyzacky Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:23:01pm |
At least he didn't have women's underwear on his head.
/
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NavyGunner86 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:24:34pm |
re: #212 retief_99
Exactly, we can introduce the scary bug into their cell but we have to brief them beforehand that the bug will not kill them. It is ridiculous. Hopefully the 400K + men and women who gave their lives in WWII are not looking down on us as we morph into a nation of whiners and self-absorbed tweeters or whatever while the people who want to do us harm plot and plan without Congressional second-guessing. Instead of waterboarding, we should send these guys over to Georgetown to Barney Frank's condo on a Friday night with a tube of Astro-Lube taped to their foreheads so they can learn about how the Washington power structure really operates.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:35:53pm |
re: #221 Sunlight
At the end of the story at the link, it points out that the sheik is being represented by James Baker's law firm. Ugh. I will be ever so glad if we could get ourselves off of middle east oil so we can go against these Uncle type relationships. They have a plan to discredit the guy who gave ABC the tape.
James Baker. Now there's a man who would sell his grandmother's soul for a dollar. Close friend, confidant and partner in crime of Bush I, from whom Bush II learned the fine art of Saudi-American ass-to-mouth.
But a bow is of course so much worse than a bush job.
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:36:02pm |
Nightline, on ABC, is starting now, and they will show the video, and talk about it.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:40:03pm |
re: #239 NY Nana
Nightline, on ABC, is starting now, and they will show the video, and talk about it.
Would you let us know, Nana? It's not on here.
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:49:28pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:53:02pm |
The man who smuggled the tapes out of UAE says that he was tortured subjected to S.E.R.E. techniques in prison there.
"They would keep him from sleeping, deny him his medications, tell him they were going to rape his wife, kill his child. They made him pose naked while they took pictures," the lawyer alleges.
So is this torture? According to what people are saying on this thread, I guess not. Or maybe it is when done in the UAE by Arabs, but not when done in a black ops prison in Bulgaria by Americans?
Gee, it's all so confusing.
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:55:35pm |
OMG...the government says all was OK to do, and no action will be taken.
They can't show the actual entire video. What they threatened the man who took the video and gave it to someone here?I cannot describe it.
'Congress should get involved but has not'. The hero showed it to an official at the Embassy there, and was told to get his wife and kids and get out of his country. He had been put in prison there to try and get the tapes from him.
No charges on the police who assisted. I screamed so loud that my husband came to see what was wrong.
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Reluctant Democrat Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:59:42pm |
Jeez, the article says they did run over him repeatedly, and that you heard the crack of his bones on the tape. I'm amazed he's still alive.
Barbarians doesn't even begin to describe these cretins.
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:04:10pm |
re: #244 pink freud
It is not for the faint of heart. The brutality is so vile, that it is very hard to watch. I cannot imagine what it is like to see the entire video.
Take care!
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:08:44pm |
You too, Nana. Take care of you and your sweeties.
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BakiShamil Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:09:37pm |
Human Rights Commissions, UN and all other trash organizations are bunch of savages....God forbid if Israel have done this to their enemies and someone would expose this publicly. I guarantee we would have one more round of hateful and violent outburst from so called f**k faces palis and their comrades from the left lunatics. Damn right I am racist (with balance morals) and i will not deny it but i can prove you i am surrounded by a diverse crowd who feels very comfortable with me socializing on all levels.
Israel, Jerusalem, Zion
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NY Nana Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:14:27pm |
re: #247 pink freud
Will do, and especially hard...thinking that children their ages live under such horrific conditions, all in the name of the cult of islam.
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Summer Seale Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:19:57pm |
Who are we to judge their quaint, fascinating, and rich culture...we're just as evil, just as hypocritical, blah blah blah blah blah....Western Civilization is bad, everything else is good, speaking truth to power, blah blah blah, oppression of their people, imposing our values on them, it's just an Israeli-lobby conspiracy, neocons are to blame, the war in Iraq is to blame, blah blah blah blah blah.....Israel out of Palestine, just defending themselves, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, just responding to our treatment of their prisoners, blah blah blah blah blah.....
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retief_99 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:21:24pm |
I don't know what to think, sometimes I believe that we should just send in the Marines kill all the bad actors in the world, go home and wait for someone else to act up. Can anyone add up the number of lives that have been sacrificed because "good' people are afraid to commit bad acts? How many would be alive if regimes led by tyrants and murderers had been eliminated? We say we cannot interfere in the internal activities of other countries. We passed a law prohibiting the targeting of foreign leaders for assassination for any reason. But who can argue against the fact if men like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Idi Amin, Hirohito and Tojo, Saddam Hussein, had been eliminated by what ever means early on in their careers there would be literally hundreds of millions of people alive today who would otherwise been murdered in anonymity by these evil, yes evil people?
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Ojoe Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:40:02pm |
re: #218 Wilderstad
Their Koran does not contain the 10 Commandments, you may see the result of the lack of restraint.
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gander Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:43:27pm |
Those guys weren't Jews or Christians or white, so what happens in the video is perfectly OK.
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astronmr20 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:51:58pm |
re: #211 NavyGunner86
OK, big deal. So ABC got footage. This kind of thing goes on all the time over there, if you think for a minute that it doesn't you're crazy. The tribal social structure necessitates that you treat people weaker than you like animals and you are a fawning, obsequious ass-kisser to those you perceive to be stronger than you. I saw women and kids whipped in the middle of shopping malls in the "progressive" UAE (Dubai) so I can only imagine what is going on in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. These people only understand power - that's why they love us when we are bombing the hell out of them and they totally despise us when we sit down at the table to negotiate with them.
You saw what in the malls there?
I lived in the UAE for a brief time and never saw such a thing. Please elaborate.
(That doesn't mean I don't believe you-- I'll never go back to this disgusting place)
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:55:18pm |
re: #241 NY Nana
Not on here, Nana. Maybe it's for the best that I was unable to see it ....
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astronmr20 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:55:44pm |
re: #239 NY Nana
Nightline, on ABC, is starting now, and they will show the video, and talk about it.
SERIOUSLY?
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astronmr20 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:58:25pm |
re: #241 NY Nana
Will it be on at 11:35 PM in your time zone?
Here is what is online, with the same video Charles has.
Brian Ross gave the man's name...the description is brutal...and the tape is 45 minutes..they did not show it all...
Going on now...
NIGHTLINE has a link to the story on their main page. Maybe they will actually run the story.
Incredible.
What's gotten into the MSM lately?
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dapperdave Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:03:18pm |
Well I'm glad we got that cleared up, looks like ABC maybe trying to redeem its self from the MSM cesspool.
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Abu Lahab Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:01:28pm |
Thank you Charles.
There are videos on Youtube and other sites of Sadam men torturing people by breaking their arms, cutting their lounges or blowing them up alive by attaching small explosives to their bodies!
This is torture.
What the media is screaming about will only discredit the term "torture".
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deanayer Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:40:00pm |
That was sick, that little animal "Sheik whoever" needs his ass kicked. He is such a puss he has to have the guy tied up AND a cop hold him down (the policeman followed accepted procedures according to the UAE) and only then can that little swish finally torture the guy. I wonder if the guy is crippled for life from it, I am sure he is. How on earth can we do business with fetid little sub-humans like this? When their oil runs out one day I hope they all starve to death in their tattered little kingdom in the sand.
All the US media should also be reporting on the slave labor from South Asia thats building their little paradise. Maybe talk about the suicides, the passports held hostage, the rape of female employees etc. Meanwhile try going to your little mansion on palm island and watch the e.coli swim by - nice!
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Walahi Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:48:58pm |
I am thinking its time to act against the UAE...I have often wanted to gather as many UAE stories as possible and blitz the media with this insanity. It must be remembered that they own lots of stakes in media (unsuprisingly a lot here in the UK).
If anyone is interested in helping let me know. I am going to write the guy from uaeprison.com and see if he can't drum up support (if he is still active anyway).
[background: i lived in Dubai and saw blatant obstructions to justice, heard and saw torture (not to this level, but pretty violent) and loathe that the world fawns over Dubai as if its the best thing since sliced bread]
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koedo Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:02:29am |
This is the norm not the exception. I'm no expert, but was that 'Islamic"? I guess a good case could be made (under Shari'a law) either way depending on what the man was 'accused' of doing.
This is disgusting and unfortunately, further solidifies my feelings about the UAE in particular and Arab society in general.
The victim could just be a slave who got out of control and under Shari's law....
Disgusting.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:03:43am |
We know the UAE is considered "moderate" in the arab world.
Let's suppose that is true.
So imagine for a moment what Israel faces in its neighborhood when behavior such as this is not even considered extreme.
It is an absolute miracle that Israel is not only able to fend off savages like this, but to retain its humanity considering it faces a life and death struggle with these "people" every minute, every hour, every day, and every year.
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John_in_VA Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:16:59am |
Perhaps this is just an exception. More normal would be religious police pushing schoolgirls back into burning buildings because the girls weren't wearing abayas, as happened in Mecca in 2002. And that's not torture, that's just good practice by diligent law enforcement to ensure "Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice."
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tats66 Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:14:30am |
You think THATS sick, you should see the 18 minutes of pyramids and forced wearing of women's undies as a hat the guy had to go thru.....Im still sick to my stomach......
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sakublock Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:48:51am |
But our good friends with all the celebrity posters at the Huff Post would rather hang our own people for putting panties on a terrorists head.
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marsl Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:51:12am |
Watching this, I can only say that those terrorists lock-up in Gitmo are truly blessed. Imagine that, instead being tortured by CIA with Big Macs and music, they were tortured by this UAE guys?
Note to leftists: This is real torture. What happened in Gitmo were only tender caresses compared with this. Stop being anti-american e protest against this torture. Yep, no protest. Leftists and islamofascists are united. Their target is the same: USA and Israel. Always were and always be.
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Pass The Moonbaticide Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:30:21am |
UAE Royalty have pathetic firearm skills.
All those shots from about two yards away and they all missed.
Time they went to any range and practiced a bit.
/s
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danshelb Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:45:20am |
Wow - now that is torture. Reading the ABC article it also mentions lighting the guy on fire and cattle prodding the anus. I've never been waterboarded, but I can't imagine it being significantly worse than what this guy went through. And you can bet the Sheikh didn't take him back to a comfy prison cell, dress his wounds and then feed him like the US detainees get.
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Mr Spiffy Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:48:42am |
No, no, no you got it all wrong.
This is not torture-- where are the panties on the head, the German sheapards, the phony electrodes?
Complain all you want but this ain't torture
/really needed?
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NukeAtomrod Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:52:59am |
Our enemies are laughing at us... and have been since, at least, 9/11. Most likely long before. Obama's back peddling from useful strategies, facilities and techniques isn't promoting respect. It's making us look like fools. We can be humane and effective, if we want. As the Bush administration was (even with all their flaws.)
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Mr Spiffy Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:02:43am |
re: #250 Summer
Who are we to judge their quaint, fascinating, and rich culture...we're just as evil, just as hypocritical, blah blah blah blah blah....Western Civilization is bad, everything else is good, speaking truth to power, blah blah blah, oppression of their people, imposing our values on them, it's just an Israeli-lobby conspiracy, neocons are to blame, the war in Iraq is to blame, blah blah blah blah blah.....Israel out of Palestine, just defending themselves, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, just responding to our treatment of their prisoners, blah blah blah blah blah.....
You forgot GWB
/
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tokyobk Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:04:22am |
Torture is only torture because it is defined as such by the modern liberal west. Torture was used by every culture in every part of the world routinely until it started to be frowned upon by Enlightenment intellectuals who saw it as an assault on inalienable rights of mind and body.
So, while Islam and Muslims cannot be singled out, this well known story (taken from the first biographer and devout follower of Muhammad) shows the utter normalcy of torture:
i
nana b. al-Rabi`, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-`Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, translated as, The Life of Muhammad, (tr. A. Guillaume), Karachi: Oxford University Press, 1998, p. 515.)
But, again, for a more universal portrait, read Las Casas and see what Catholics did to natives in the Americas and then of course what those Aztecs and Incas were doing to each other. Not pretty.
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tokyobk Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:07:42am |
re: #248 BakiShamil
Human Rights Commissions, UN and all other trash organizations are bunch of savages....God forbid if Israel have done this to their enemies and someone would expose this publicly. I guarantee we would have one more round of hateful and violent outburst from so called f**k faces palis and their comrades from the left lunatics. Damn right I am racist (with balance morals) and i will not deny it but i can prove you i am surrounded by a diverse crowd who feels very comfortable with me socializing on all levels.
Israel, Jerusalem, Zion
Are you really "racist" meaning you think races -- and by the way please define "race" -- are endowed with superior and inferior morals that they pass to their children through DNA? If so, you are also an idiot. I think you are probably believe that some cultures are better than others which is quite a different thing and at least arguable.
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Annar Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:00:21am |
Islamophobia! No torture here, there's neither a water board nor an American in sight. Probably related to their local housing crisis, so as good friends we should send Barney Frank to soothe things over.
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zelnaga Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:14:56am |
Check out what wikipedia.org says about his brother - Falah bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan:
"The sheikh was the subject of a lawsuit filed in Geneva by an American national, asserting that the sheikh hit him repeatedly with a belt with a steel buckle after he declined a bottle of champagne from the sheik, in an incident occurring at the posh La Reserve Hotel some four years ago. The U.S. citizen said that after he refused the champagne the sheik, whom he had never met, came up behind him, jostled his glasses, sat in his lap and tried to kiss and fondle him. When the American protested, the assault began, he said."
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slotgun Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:20:02am |
Oh, good grief: We're going to define THAT as torture?
/sarc! /SARC! I say!
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The Undead Buddy Holly Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:02:15pm |
That looks pretty nasty compared to the videotapes of the CIA enhanced interrogations.
Or would if those tapes hadn't been destroyed for "national security reasons". But you can trust the CIA on this one. It was just like a fraternity prank. Khalid Sheik Mohammed was seen on the tapes joking with his questioners and asking if they'd like to meet his daughter. It was all so innocent and everybody had a graet time. You'd see that if those tapes hadn't been destroyed for "national security reasons".
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NavyGunner86 Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:30:09pm |
re: #254 astronmr20
You saw what in the malls there?
I lived in the UAE for a brief time and never saw such a thing. Please elaborate.
(That doesn't mean I don't believe you-- I'll never go back to this disgusting place)
I was in one of Dubai's malls when what appeared to be a local reached under his robe and produced a belt and started beating the piss out of what I assumed to be his son. Another time I was in the Carrefor (sp?), which is like a grocery store - Walmart combo when, again, what appeared to be a local woman started beating the hell out of a person I assumed to be the family's nanny / housekeeper or something like that. In neither case did anyone interfere. I've seen this type of thing several times with workers on the waterfront where our ship was docked and also in teh Electronics Souq where one of those guys with the 500 year-old looking carts got his ass kicked by one of the merchants. Anyway you slice it, not a very nice place. If I was Master of the Universe, and I was going to give the Earth an enema, I would stick the hose in Dubai.
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boondocksaint Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:42:05pm |
re: #12 Bobblehead
Did they run that truck over his legs?
if you turn up the volume you can hear the bones break. its nasty. Like large twigs snapping.
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proud to be an infidel Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:03:16am |
Those bastards! I go down to the UAE from here in Kuwait quite frequently for business purposes (I'm a DoD employee and we have work for the Iraqis we perform down there) and ALL they write about in their newspapers is how barbaric the Israelis are and "how low the Americans have stooped with their 'torture' of the gitmo detainees". ALL the worlds problems are the fault of the big bad Israelis and American government, the Bush administration in particular.
Bush has been out of office now for better than 3 months but they STILL love blaming him for all the natural disasters in the world. But I doubt very much that you will read about this in their newspapers OR they'll slant the story to make the readers believe that their beloved sheik was really the victim. OR, most likely, they'll call America a bunch of hypocrites for calling THIS out when it was us who "tortured" people at Gitmo.
Forget the fact that Khalid Sheik Mohammad strategically planned the murder of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 AND who methodically sawed off the head of an innocent person and put the video on the internet for the world to see, whereas this man's crime was supposedly shortchanging the sheik. Forget the fact that the coercive techniques used on Mohammad were for the purpose of extracting valuable information out of him and did indeed succeed in getting him to spill the beans about future terrorist plots that were then thwarted, whereas the sheik tortured AND MAIMED this man for REVENGE purposes. OR possibly even to satisfy a sadistic sexual fetish.
NO, the local UAE media will throw this moral equivalency garbage at the Western world and will make no distinctions.
The crap you read in the Kaleej Times is the most sickening bunch of lies and propaganda that you'll ever read on this earth.
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