As Ron Paul turns into a Fox News regular, sane writers like Timothy Sandefur are increasingly saying “WTF?” Freespace: Ron Paul’s secession lies on video.
And meanwhile, Ron Paul’s “tea party” organizer in the Bay Area is using an ugly antisemitic graphic as a promotional tool: Response in GOP/tea party/anti-Semitism flap.
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party? It’s really beginning to look that way.
Discuss.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:45:15pm |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party?
Yes. However, I still have a really hard time imagining him actually getting the nomination.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:45:32pm |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party?
Only if they run the next presidential primary as an internet poll.
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Mich-again Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:46:28pm |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party?
There is a power vacuum in the GOP right now and nothing can fill a vacuum faster than gas.
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pat Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:46:51pm |
This is a low price take over attempt. It is all BS.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:48:12pm |
re: #3 Last Mohican
Only if they run the next presidential primary as an internet poll.
Ron Paul would have to take the oath as President and all the members of the House of Representatives in that case. (Except maybe from Chicago.)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:48:12pm |
Oh, hell. This is very bad news. Excuse me, I need to take a moment to sort out my thoughts before posting again.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:48:30pm |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
Yes. However, I still have a really hard time imagining him actually getting the nomination.
Current GOP front runners: Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Pat Buchanan still has time to make a comeback.
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garden18 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:48:36pm |
There is no shortage of anti-Semites on both the left and the right. Because of the left's consistent animus towards Israel, coupled with its reluctance to criticize Islam, I would rather identify with the right at the present moment. No person of principle can any longer identify as either a Democrat or as a Republican.
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:49:07pm |
I would say something about the volume of voices speaking not being representative of the number of voices speaking, but I don't feel like getting into an argument. Ron Paul is James Moriarty, and has single-handedly taken over a century-plus old party. //
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:50:29pm |
Here is the anti-semitic graphic in question. Well, actually it's a discussion thereof. The Ron Paul meetup group that posted the graphic has made itself private and members-only.
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Racer X Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:51:01pm |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party?
∆ Yes
∆ No
∆ Ron Paul!
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Colonel Panik Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:51:58pm |
I like Sara Palin, and Newt Gingrich. Hucksterbee I can do without and Paul is a joke.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:52:18pm |
re: #9 Charles
Current GOP front runners: Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Pat Buchanan still has time to make a comeback.
You forgot bobby jindal.
I think this is msm bullshit we're supposed to buy, just like the msm not asking about jindal's exorcism for a reason. The msm would love us to screw up and pick ron paul as much as bobby jindal- but ron paul didn't mess up after the president on national tv.
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garden18 Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:53:18pm |
Newt Gingrich is the most stridently pro-Israel of prospective Presidential candidates so I am backing him.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:53:52pm |
Reading a posting about the political makeover of Minuteman leader Chris Simcox on the previous thread, led me to David Neiwert's book, The Eliminationists, How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right, which has some good thoughts on the thread topic:
Indeed, one of the more disturbing elements in what we are currently witnessing on the right is the "mainstreaming" and normalizing of extremist talk through "patriotic" transmitters. Neiwert explains:"Transmitters" of fringe ideas into the mainstream have two audiences. The first (and by far the largest) is made up of the many millions of ordinary mainstream conservatives who tune in and log on to the Right's army of media talking heads and movement leaders. The second includes their xenophobic counterparts on the far Right, where the memes come from in the first place. For the latter, these transmissions signal that their formerly unacceptable beliefs are gaining acceptance; they hear these transmissions as an invitation for them to move into the mainstream without having to change their views. The former hears them as an invitation to think more like the latter without shame.
The result of all this perversion of nationalism and so-called patriotism is not just sprees of deadly shootings such as we saw in Pittsburgh. "This kind of rhetoric is, in effect," Neiwert writes, "the death of discourse itself. Instead of offering an opposing idea, it simply shuts down intellectual exchange and replaces it with the brute intention to silence and eliminate." And at the heart of democracy lies the belief that no matter our differences, we are committed to communication. When silence falls, democracy loses, and the author here maintains that when hate rhetoric is employed, at its base it really is a hatred of America itself--with its stated ideals of pluralism--that is the unacknowledged target.
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VegasRick Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:53:54pm |
At the risk of being banned and accepting the fact that I will get down dinged like never before, I submit the following;
In the United States of America, they came first for the Conservatives, and I did not speak up because I wasn’t a Conservative, and then they came for the Right Wingers and I did not speak up because I wasn’t a Right Winger, and then they came for the Ron Paul supporters and I did not speak up because I wasn’t a Ron Paul fan, and then they came for the John McCain voters and I did not speak up because I didn’t vote this go round because I didn’t agree with all of John McCain’s policies, and then they came for the Anti Gay Marriage crowd and I did not speak up because I didn’t want to be called a homophobe, and then they came for the Secure Borders folks and I did not speak up because I didn’t want to be called a racist, and then they came for Rush, Hannity, Savage and Beck and I did not speak up because I don’t like Rush, Hannity, Savage or Beck, and then they came for the Creationists and I did not speak up because I believe in Evolution and think that anyone who does not believe in Evolution is stupid, evil and probably mentally deranged, and then they came for the Folks attending any “Tea Parties” across the country, and I did not speak up because some guy I know said that “he thought he saw some guy that might have had a Ron Paul sign” at one of the “Tea Parties” and as I said before I don’t like Ron Paul, and then they came for the “Religious Right” people, and I did not speak up because I don’t like some of the people that represent the “Religious Right”, and then they came for some blogs and bloggers on the Internet, and I did not speak up because I don’t like those blogs and they did not come after mine, and then they came for me and my family, and I did speak up, and shouted to the Heavens “Who will come and fight by my side” and no one answered because there was nobody there.
I will check back in the AM to see if I still have an account here and any positive karma points.
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Wishing Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:53:59pm |
I, for one, will run as far and as fast as I can from ANY group supporting this garbage. I despise what is happening to my country. Are there no more decent people who will stand up and scream STOP! I am so sick of these whiny Republicans and conservative talk show creeps. In fact, I am sick to death of all the talking.
Do something, dammit!
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:54:04pm |
re: #14 Racer X
I know what to do here!
∆ Yes
∆ No
✓ Ron Paul!
/one of those people who votes for "Ron Paul!" in the LGF polls, just for da lulz
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:54:20pm |
re: #15 Colonel Panik
I like Sara Palin, and Newt Gingrich. Hucksterbee I can do without and Paul is a joke.
much to my didmay, i think jindal is gonna be up there, too
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:55:47pm |
re: #20 VegasRick
It's a really bad idea to dare me to block your account, especially after posting such an incredibly stupid comment. Bye now.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:55:53pm |
re: #9 Charles
Current GOP front runners: Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Pat Buchanan still has time to make a comeback.
Rudy Giuliani?
Eric Cantor?
Lynn Swann?
That really studly bare-chested congressman guy with the six-pack abs?
And whatever happened to Bill Frist?
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:56:10pm |
re: #9 Charles
Current GOP front runners: Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Pat Buchanan still has time to make a comeback.
No Mitt Romney?
Also, isn't it a bit... early to be worrying about "front runners?" We're barely out of a presidential race, and we're freaking out about 2012?
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Bobblehead Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:56:11pm |
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:56:21pm |
Bubonic Plague, please meet Italy. Italy, this is the Plague. I'm sure you have lot's to talk about. Mingle.
Ron Paul being on Fox is right up there with this one. Soon the pathogen will spread. It's like a Stephen King novel.
(yes--there's a little joke in there)
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:57:20pm |
re: #30 calcajun
Ron Paul being on Fox is right up there with this one. Soon the pathogen will spread. It's like a Stephen King novel.
(yes--there's a little joke in there)
Pandemic!
Ron Paul cells are splitting.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:57:34pm |
re: #16 Sharmuta
You forgot bobby jindal.
I think this is msm bullshit we're supposed to buy, just like the msm not asking about jindal's exorcism for a reason. The msm would love us to screw up and pick ron paul as much as bobby jindal- but ron paul didn't mess up after the president on national tv.
Too many Republicans know about Paul's fanatics and want nothing to do with him. He's a sideshow; they may as well be interviewing the bearded lady or the Human Eelworm.
Pity that Michael Steele has turned out to be such a wet noodle. At least Luap Nor argues for his (insane) talking points. Steele gives the impression that he's not even sure why he's a Republican.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:57:54pm |
re: #31 pegcity
There was a lot of paranoia around Vince Foster and mysterious planes landing in Mena, Arkansas, but this seems to be a newer more intense level.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:58:07pm |
Once again, the Tea Parties are a Paulian movement that the conservatives have joined. Here's the Bay Area Tea Party from 2006......
San Francisco 9/11 Truth Tea Party Dumps Official Whitewash in the Bay
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:58:21pm |
re: #20 VegasRick
In the words of Dr. Evil, "You just don't get it, do you?"
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:59:01pm |
re: #20 VegasRick
im sad to see ya go but please more original in your posts--the "i dint speak up" thing has been done before--much better i may add--bye
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:59:10pm |
Interesting to see who up-dinged Vegas Rick's flounce-off.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:59:37pm |
Notice that it is the head of the California GOP that called them out on their use of an anti-semitic image.
Yeah, the Paulians are nasty, obnoxious, and need to be shunned....but I see the head of the California GOP willing to shun them. Isn't that a good thing, and isn't it evidence that those in leadership positions in the party are willing to use it to marginalize the Paulians?
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:59:38pm |
re: #34 Zimriel
Pity that Michael Steele has turned out to be such a wet noodle
"Behold! The Boneless Wonder!"-- Churchill.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:00:06pm |
We forgot to start a pool on the first meltdown.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:00:45pm |
re: #28 Athens Runaway
No Mitt Romney?
Also, isn't it a bit... early to be worrying about "front runners?" We're barely out of a presidential race, and we're freaking out about 2012?
Well, I think that party leadership is supposed to start thinking about the next presidential election right away. Although in this case I think that, unless Denzel Washington decides to run as a Republican, the GOP may as well just forget about 2012 and start planning for 2016.
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:00:52pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
We forgot to start a pool on the first meltdown.
Ironic, since it came from Vegas.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:01:11pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
20 is a pretty low number. Is that a record?
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:01:21pm |
re: #39 Charles
Interesting to see who up-dinged Vegas Rick's flounce-off.
Up-dinged it? I couldn't even understand it.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:01:37pm |
re: #40 funky chicken
Notice that it is the head of the California GOP that called them out on their use of an anti-semitic image.
Yeah, the Paulians are nasty, obnoxious, and need to be shunned....but I see the head of the California GOP willing to shun them. Isn't that a good thing, and isn't it evidence that those in leadership positions in the party are willing to use it to marginalize the Paulians?
I noticed that too, and I applaud the California GOP (which certainly did not get its orders from the governor).
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:01:53pm |
re: #34 Zimriel
Too many Republicans know about Paul's fanatics and want nothing to do with him. He's a sideshow; they may as well be interviewing the bearded lady or the Human Eelworm.
Pity that Michael Steele has turned out to be such a wet noodle. At least Luap Nor argues for his (insane) talking points. Steele gives the impression that he's not even sure why he's a Republican.
Well- I remember clearly that NBC wouldn't ask jindal about the exorcism or his views on evolution. Why should I think fox is being any kinder in promoting a non-viable candidate? The msm is the enemy. They want us to screw up and pick a loser.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:01:58pm |
re: #34 Zimriel
Too many Republicans know about Paul's fanatics and want nothing to do with him. He's a sideshow; they may as well be interviewing the bearded lady or the Human Eelworm.
Pity that Michael Steele has turned out to be such a wet noodle. At least Luap Nor argues for his (insane) talking points. Steele gives the impression that he's not even sure why he's a Republican.
Steele is no doubt a wet noodle. He has always played a passive role in his political life as well as his time at Fox. He is essentially playing a neutered roll as a figurehead who merely parrots the lines given to him by his management team. There's no self direction in him and the flop with Limbaugh was a disgrace to himself for not standing up (at the very least) for his initial comments.
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Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:02:02pm |
I think what we are seeing here is a process of catharsis in the Republican Party. They are in the process of getting all the silliness out of the system by letting the clowns cavort for a while. Hopefully it's just a passing phase, and once rank and file Republicans are thoroughly sick of the nutbar crowd, a few solid, respectable candidates will emerge.
Better to let the fever run its course now, than try to keep a lid on it, only to have it crop up in the midst of the next election campaign. Let the loons play for a while, so they can be identified, and purged when the time is right.
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hiddenlizard Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:02:32pm |
NO! to Ron Paul and the libertarians, YES! to Ayn Rand and the Objectivists.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:02:50pm |
So, what is so wrong with secession? Surely, if Glenn Beck is for it then it must be ok!
/ They surround us....
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:03:12pm |
re: #34 Zimriel
Too many Republicans know about Paul's fanatics and want nothing to do with him. He's a sideshow; they may as well be interviewing the bearded lady or the Human Eelworm.
Pity that Michael Steele has turned out to be such a wet noodle. At least Luap Nor argues for his (insane) talking points. Steele gives the impression that he's not even sure why he's a Republican.
I really would think that Michael Steele would be the perfect guy to go on Fox News to tear the Paulians and their anti-semitic and racist backers a new one. It would be great to see him on a nationally televised show announce that there simply isn't room in the GOP for racist cranks. It's a pity that he hasn't done it yet.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:03:39pm |
re: #40 funky chicken
Why were they helping to organize a Tea Party in the first place? You can check the Google cache of their site the image was very prominently displayed. They shouldn't have been allowed to be involved in the first place. They also had a link to 9-11 truth stuff there. It should not have been tolerated to begin with.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:04:18pm |
re: #45 jaunte
It might be. I don't remember ever seeing one so early.
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Athens Runaway Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:04:20pm |
re: #52 hiddenlizard
NO! to Ron Paul and the libertarians, YES! to Ayn Rand and the Objectivists.
Uh, those are the same groups?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:05:14pm |
re: #54 funky chicken
Steele is hanging on by a thread. They're working on getting rid of him.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:05:38pm |
re: #45 jaunte
20 is a pretty low number. Is that a record?
And over a Ron Paul post. Bad craziness is everywhere.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:05:42pm |
re: #54 funky chicken
I really would think that Michael Steele would be the perfect guy to go on Fox News to tear the Paulians and their anti-semitic and racist backers a new one. It would be great to see him on a nationally televised show announce that there simply isn't room in the GOP for racist cranks. It's a pity that he hasn't done it yet.
I suspect he's being told that he can't. I suspect his minders are telling him that he would split the party if he uttered a word against them.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:06:49pm |
re: #54 funky chicken
he should be out there every day--but he's not--im so disappointed--and feeling let down
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:06:52pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Steele is hanging on by a thread. They're working on getting rid of him.
To be replace with...
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:07:03pm |
re: #54 funky chicken
I really would think that Michael Steele would be the perfect guy to go on Fox News to tear the Paulians and their anti-semitic and racist backers a new one. It would be great to see him on a nationally televised show announce that there simply isn't room in the GOP for racist cranks. It's a pity that he hasn't done it yet.
He's not going to do it, ever. The GOP is melting down, and nobody has the balls to stop it.
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:07:47pm |
Fox has more problems...HuffPo is hearting Shepard Smith.
On FoxNews.com's online show The Strategy Room, Smith took his opposition to a whole other level. "We are America!" he shouted, slamming his hand on the table. "I don't give a rat's ass if it helps. We are AMERICA! We do not fucking torture!"
TJCole
I liked the way Shepard Smith was one of the people during the Katrina disaster and spoke his mind as well remember....?He still has a soul, unlike so many of that despicable network....!
Posted 11:34 PM on 04/22/2009
j
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He seems to be the one guy at Fox who isn't blinded by the bullshit.
Posted 11:31 PM on 04/22/2009
Fox has serious problems.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:07:56pm |
re: #59 Charles
And over a Ron Paul post. Bad craziness is everywhere.
VegasRick was a pretty well-regarded commenter here (lots of karma). This post was more incoherent and rambling than most of those I've read of him.
I wonder if Mr Jack Daniels was helping him type tonight...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:08:06pm |
re: #63 Charles
Not even a peep out of Rudy.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:08:18pm |
re: #51 Alberta Oil Peon
You're definitely an optimist.
My take - mobs work more like landslides (or avalanches) than teenagers.
In other words, they don't grow out of it. Rather, one just ends up with a mess in the end.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:08:18pm |
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:09:22pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Not even a peep out of Rudy.
Shhh! Ixnay on the Udyray... don't you know that he's the one man who can save the Republicans?!
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Dianna Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:09:33pm |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party? It’s really beginning to look that way.Discuss.
Thanks, but no thanks. I am not in the mood to fight with anyone, even KT.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:10:00pm |
re: #72 Sharmuta
Then there's the msm keeping quiet about Romney.
He said he's working on his book and working on getting GOP members elected in 2010.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:10:01pm |
re: #66 jorline
Fox has more problems...HuffPo is hearting Shepard Smith.
Fox has serious problems.
shep has been an ass for awhile--cant utter a sentence without stuttering or mis-speaking--what an air head
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:10:20pm |
re: #20 VegasRick
Wow. That was terribly melodramatic. Who is this all powerful, spooky "they" in your little melodrama?
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:10:35pm |
re: #19 jaunte
Reading a posting about the political makeover of Minuteman leader Chris Simcox on the previous thread, led me to David Neiwert's book, The Eliminationists, How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right, which has some good thoughts on the thread topic:
It's really sad to see most of the commenters over at hotair cheering for Simcox to beat John McCain, and trying to line up to donate Simcox's campaign.
BUT I think the hotair folks are a minority in the GOP, just like the Paulians are a minority. Yeah, the Paulians and "true conservatives" have a loud voice in blog comment sections. That doesn't make them the true power in the GOP.
The danger is that they will become the public face of the GOP kind of like the nuclear freeze and radical feminist folks became the public face of the Democrat Party in the late 1970s to early 1980s. It took Bill Clinton, a southern governor from the centrist DLC to put a "normal" face back on the democrat party for them to win back the White House, and that only happened because Ross Perot got a lot of votes in 1992.
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JCM Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:10:42pm |
re: #63 Charles
He's not going to do it, ever. The GOP is melting down, and nobody has the balls to stop it.
The Whig party melted down between 1856 and 1860. I history repeating itself? Is the better course to try to repair the party or push it over the edge and start afresh?
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:10:57pm |
Speaking of secession, have y'all heard of Paulville?
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:11:10pm |
re: #74 Gus 802
He said he's working on his book and working on getting GOP members elected in 2010.
Which is fine. It's too early to speculate on nominees for 2012, imo. But I do think the bastards in the msm are trying to plant idiot seeds in our minds.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:11:25pm |
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:11:49pm |
......They're coming to take me away......
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:13:43pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Which is fine. It's too early to speculate on nominees for 2012, imo. But I do think the bastards in the msm are trying to plant idiot seeds in our minds.
Ah, true. Saw a video this morning and that's what he said. I like Romney. There's something secular about him too which is counter to popular belief. This is good because that defines a form of religious neutrality.
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:14:10pm |
re: #75 mikeymom
shep has been an ass for awhile--cant utter a sentence without stuttering or mis-speaking--what an air head
Shep starting buying his own shit years ago...just another arrogant prick on Fox.
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hiddenlizard Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:14:46pm |
re: #57 Athens Runaway
Uh, those are the same groups?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! do a little research ffs. Look at my posted link.
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Capitalistincharge Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:14:49pm |
I musta misunderstood Vegas post. I thought the point he was trying to make was all this craziness of people going off the deep end and nobody, except the sane bloggers, are yelling "enough!". Not only the MSM, but now Fox is playing into the insanity and promoting the hate-mongers & Lunatics, both right and left. What did I miss, maybe I'm just really tired.
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Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:14:57pm |
re: #69 freetoken
You're definitely an optimist.
My take - mobs work more like landslides (or avalanches) than teenagers.
In other words, they don't grow out of it. Rather, one just ends up with a mess in the end.
Well, better to have this craziness happening now, right after an election, than a year or two in the future, in the run-up to the next election. Either the GOP implodes completely, leaving the way clear for a third party to grow, or else the crazies burn themselves out, and the GOP recovers it bearings.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:15:17pm |
Jew-hating Democrats, and now Jew-hating Republicans.
Maybe I should move to Israel.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:15:33pm |
re: #83 Gus 802
Ah, true. Saw a video this morning and that's what he said. I like Romney. There's something secular about him too which is counter to popular belief. This is good because that defines a form of religious neutrality.
If he comes out running on some serious fiscal policy issues, he'll be hard to stop.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:15:40pm |
re: #83 Gus 802
Ah, true. Saw a video this morning and that's what he said. I like Romney. There's something secular about him too which is counter to popular belief. This is good because that defines a form of religious neutrality.
I don't think Romney has any oomph. I lived in Massachusetts during his entire term as governor, and I can't think of a single thing he ever did or even said.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:16:52pm |
re: #89 Sharmuta
If he comes out running on some serious fiscal policy issues, he'll be hard to stop.
I'm willing to put 100 on Romney for now. ;)
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:17:05pm |
re: #90 Last Mohican
I don't think Romney has any oomph. I lived in Massachusetts during his entire term as governor, and I can't think of a single thing he ever did or even said.
Sounds like Rick Perry here in Texas.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:17:05pm |
re: #84 jorline
that got me thinking--is there ANYONE --on any news show that doesnt get full of themselves? that stays REAL and does'nt become a fool?
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:17:13pm |
re: #55 Killgore Trout
Why were they helping to organize a Tea Party in the first place? You can check the Google cache of their site the image was very prominently displayed. They shouldn't have been allowed to be involved in the first place. They also had a link to 9-11 truth stuff there. It should not have been tolerated to begin with.
It's the USA. Anybody can organize any demonstration they would like. I certainly wouldn't have attended their "party." I think the vast majority of people who attended these events have no clue that Paulians are behind them.
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:17:46pm |
Vegas Rick goes godwin the day after Holocaust Remembrance..... nice.
I have a theory about this, I suspect that some in the Republican party are letting the loud obnoxious loons step forward, and perhaps they are giving them a nudge with the intent of them self destructing prior to 2012. You know they will, they can't help themselves.
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So? Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:17:47pm |
It's pretty late here on the East Coast, so I can't wait for the Open Thread.
So let's call this O/T
I have no idea why so many of you are down on Michael Savage.
Just listen to the first segment of today's show.
I think it's brilliant.
[Link: a1135.g.akamai.net...]
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:18:43pm |
re: #77 funky chicken
I know the types you're talking about, f/c. The self-appointed "true conservatives" have been around since at least the Clinton years, and they are shooting blanks. None of them wanted McCain to win the presidential primary (I didn't either, but I wanted Rudy), and he won it - which should tell us that they don't have half as much influence as they think they have.
This tone at HotAir seemed to start in the last couple of years. It's sad, really, because it used to be such a fun blog to read. Now half the time I think I've taken a wrong turn and wound up on FreeRepublic.
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:18:50pm |
re: #93 mikeymom
that got me thinking--is there ANYONE --on any news show that doesnt get full of themselves? that stays REAL and does'nt become a fool?
thinking...thinking...I give up!
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:18:57pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Which is fine. It's too early to speculate on nominees for 2012, imo. But I do think the bastards in the msm are trying to plant idiot seeds in our minds.
Names that were being tossed around for 2008 GOP presidential candidates in 2004 were nowhere to be found when the campaign started. There's still the possibility that there is someone or a group of someones totally below the radar now who will say "Kooks! Take it down a notch" while presenting something that resembles actual conservative ideas for the run in 2012.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:19:01pm |
re: #67 Zimriel
VegasRick was a pretty well-regarded commenter here (lots of karma). This post was more incoherent and rambling than most of those I've read of him.
I wonder if Mr Jack Daniels was helping him type tonight...
People who take drugs like Ambien have been known to post entire essays on blogs while completely unconscious. Then in the morning they can't understand why they have been banned.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:19:07pm |
re: #90 Last Mohican
I don't think Romney has any oomph. I lived in Massachusetts during his entire term as governor, and I can't think of a single thing he ever did or even said.
I can understand that. State populations have a different relationship with their governors. I haven't been wowed by my former governors for all of my life.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:20:31pm |
re: #100 Alouette
People who take drugs like Ambien have been known to post entire essays on blogs while completely unconscious. Then in the morning they can't understand why they have been banned.
That's probably not funny, but I'm giggling helplessly.
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:20:45pm |
re: #95 Thanos
Vegas Rick goes godwin the day after Holocaust Remembrance..... nice.
I have a theory about this, I suspect that some in the Republican party are letting the loud obnoxious loons step forward, and perhaps they are giving them a nudge with the intent of them self destructing prior to 2012. You know they will, they can't help themselves.
Interesting...discredit the loons and get them out of the way early.
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:20:52pm |
Is it time to revive the Bull Moose Party?
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:21:18pm |
re: #86 Capitalistincharge
I musta misunderstood Vegas post. I thought the point he was trying to make was all this craziness of people going off the deep end and nobody, except the sane bloggers, are yelling "enough!". Not only the MSM, but now Fox is playing into the insanity and promoting the hate-mongers & Lunatics, both right and left. What did I miss, maybe I'm just really tired.
He couched his comment as in opposition to Charles; such that most of the people mentioned (except McCain voters) were people who have gotten on Charles' bad side over the past few years - Creationists, Ron Paul, Right Wingers, Rush, Beck, and so on.
And he did it by pastiching Niemoller. In other words, Charles is like HITLER! or maybe Joe McCarthy. Either way, it's the sort of mindless insult that (rightly) earns a ban.
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The Shadow Do Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:21:27pm |
re: #9 Charles
Current GOP front runners: Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Pat Buchanan still has time to make a comeback.
I'm giving it 100:1 against any of the above. If nature abhors a vacuum then what we are seeing now makes perfect sense. The above named candidates are like weightless astro-nuts bouncing off of rubber walls. I think at some point reasonable folks will coalesce around an opposition leader but not a minute before the current crew has proved beyond all doubt how incompetent they are while someone else reveals them-self to be in command of facts and current events and a responsible vision of the future. That decisive minute (a public epiphany?) will set the table for an individual who actually makes some sense, and not some easily stereotyped figure named here.
I know this is purely speculative but perforce must be since I have no clue just who in opposition will emerge from this mess. I do not think some fringe goof (see above list) will be able to amass enough backing to move on.
/but I could be wrong
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Kulhwch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:21:40pm |
Discuss.
I guess it's back to being a Libertarian, an independent, or even *shudder* a Democrat.
}:) [Crazy Uncle will never get a vote from me.]
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:21:43pm |
re: #94 funky chicken
It's the USA. Anybody can organize any demonstration they would like. I certainly wouldn't have attended their "party." I think the vast majority of people who attended these events have no clue that Paulians are behind them.
I think you're right. I think maybe the Paulians mean this as kind of a stealth recruiting effort to re-brand Ron Paul as something other than a foaming-at-the-mouth, Nazi-friendly freak. First you bring a lot of people to the tea parties by proposing some reasonable ideas. Then you approach them with a pamphlet, and say "did you know that there's a candidate who believes in all the same things you do?"
Of course, for the MSM the tea parties are something else: they're an opportunity to discredit everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies by equating them all with whoever is holding the craziest Paulian sign at the protest.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:22:37pm |
re: #104 Ringo the Gringo
Is it time to revive the Bull Moose Party?
Maybe, in place of the Moose Bullshit parties we have now.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:23:09pm |
re: #98 jorline
thinking...thinking...I give up!
the only one i can think of is neil cavuto--but he's in business--wish he did more!
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Dianna Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:23:33pm |
re: #104 Ringo the Gringo
Is it time to revive the Bull Moose Party?
Jane Addams gave Teddy's nomination speech.
Make of it what you will.
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Capitalistincharge Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:23:52pm |
re: #105 Zimriel
Gotcha, Thanks. Worked 42 hours in 3 days...should not ding when tired!
Charles is a God...WTF was Vegas thinking?
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:24:15pm |
I'm worried, Coast To Coast AM is more entertaining then talk radio and anything on TV.
//
More meds please!
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:24:22pm |
re: #100 Alouette
People who take drugs like Ambien have been known to post entire essays on blogs while completely unconscious. Then in the morning they can't understand why they have been banned.
Maybe he met this hot Ron Paul chick at a bar, and she slipped him some GHB... and the next morning he has no memory of the experience, except a dirty strap-on, a sore ass and a lost LGF account
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:24:51pm |
re: #94 funky chicken
Normally you could complain to the national organizers but they're Paulians too. I've been pointing this out for over a month and I've been catching a lot of shit for it here. Nobody wants to hear it or deal with the problem. The Paulian's fellow travelers at Stormfront are getting involved in the Tea Parties too but nobody wants to do anything about. Everybody wants to look the other way and pretend it's not happening.
I'm not a supporter of the Tea party agenda so I'm happy to see them fail. It's a bummer that it looks like they're going to take the GOP with them, which is kind of a bummer. Tea Part supporters who failed to make a big deal out of this weeks ago are the ones to blame for this. It could have been prevented.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:25:31pm |
re: #114 Zimriel
Maybe he met this hot Ron Paul chick at a bar, and she slipped him some GHB... and the next morning he has no memory of the experience, except a dirty strap-on, a sore ass and a lost LGF account
ohh myy- it is getting late--dont need the descriptions
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:25:47pm |
re: #104 Ringo the Gringo
Is it time to revive the Bull Moose Party?
The Bull Moose Party was the Progressive Party, as in the "progressives" who brought us these "good" ideas:
Linking Healthcare to Employment
Income Tax and Inheritance Tax
Beginnings of the Welfare State
Farm Subsidies
Pre-WWI Isolationism
No thanks... Even worse idea than resurrecting the Whigs.
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:26:08pm |
Good evening y'all - how is everyone tonight and what all are we talking about?
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:26:10pm |
re: #98 jorline
thinking...thinking...I give up!
Tony Snow, RIP.
Brit Hume.
and so far ...Brett Baier.
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Dianna Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:26:35pm |
Good night. It's finally cooled off enough to let me sleep, and I'm looking forward to a night in which I don't lie in bed and feel miserable.
Take care. Don't tell me when the Paul-bots appear. They make me sadder than clowns do, which is saying a lot.
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JCM Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:27:32pm |
re: #118 realwest
Good evening y'all - how is everyone tonight and what all are we talking about?
Hey Real!
Laup Nor, the future of the (R) party!
////
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:27:42pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
The Paulian's fellow travelers at Stormfront are getting involved in the Tea Parties too but nobody wants to do anything about. Everybody wants to look the other way and pretend it's not happening.
I saw that at American Renaissance so I assume you're right, though I haven't the stomach to check up on Stormfront.
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Pietr Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:28:08pm |
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irongrampa Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:28:25pm |
I support the idea of the Tea Party enthusiastically.
We (wife&I) attended 2 in our area, and we were struck by the people we met there. Genuinely nice folks--in NO way to be compared to the left's idea of protesters. It sickens me to see the co-opting by the likes of Paul and other garbage.
Charles, I hope that you continue to expose this--it can only help,if enough learn what's happening.By publicizing it, I feel that there WILL be pushback from the genuine organizers and we can divest of the likes of Paul. Perhaps we can look at this as growing pains--at least I hope so.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:28:57pm |
re: #108 Last Mohican
I think you're right. I think maybe the Paulians mean this as kind of a stealth recruiting effort to re-brand Ron Paul as something other than a foaming-at-the-mouth, Nazi-friendly freak. First you bring a lot of people to the tea parties by proposing some reasonable ideas. Then you approach them with a pamphlet, and say "did you know that there's a candidate who believes in all the same things you do?"
Of course, for the MSM the tea parties are something else: they're an opportunity to discredit everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies by equating them all with whoever is holding the craziest Paulian sign at the protest.
Did that actually happen somewhere?
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:30:21pm |
re: #96 So?
It's pretty late here on the East Coast, so I can't wait for the Open Thread.
So let's call this O/T
I have no idea why so many of you are down on Michael Savage.
Just listen to the first segment of today's show.
I think it's brilliant.[Link: a1135.g.akamai.net...]
I occasionally listen to Michael Savage when I'm out running errands, and I've always enjoyed his stories about his childhood.
HOWEVER, a short time ago (within the last month) I had him on, and he started calling John McCain a Manchurian Candidate and went on a crazy rant about how he threw the election to Obama because of programming he'd gotten in Hanoi. I am not exaggerating or making this up.....
So, um, the dude is nuts.
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Silvergirl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:30:25pm |
After not inviting Ron Paul to the Fox debate during the primary, and seeing RP supporters chase Sean Hannity down the street over that slight, now Fox has come to this?
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:30:42pm |
re: #119 pink freud
Tony Snow, RIP.
Brit Hume.
and so far ...Brett Baier.
Hi pink.
I miss Brit and Brett hasn't won me over yet...too stiff.
Why does Brett Baier remind me of Charlie Brown...must be the shape of his head and the ears...lol
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:31:27pm |
re: #118 realwest
Good evening y'all - how is everyone tonight and what all are we talking about?
Good evening!
This evening's topics:
1. The Paulians and their tea party protests appear to bringing the entire Republican party down in flames.
2. Some guy named Rick is currently lying unconscious in a bathtub in Vegas, next to an empty bottle of Ambien, and a scribbled note warning him that the Liberty Party has removed both of his kidneys.
I'm not sure I got #2 exactly correct.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:31:29pm |
re: #129 Silvergirl
Good point. I forgot about that.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:31:53pm |
re: #25 Charles
It's a really bad idea to dare me to block your account, especially after posting such an incredibly stupid comment. Bye now.
That meltdown was really sad. I hope VegasRick comes to realize he's wrong and apologizes to you Charles.
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:32:34pm |
re: #118 realwest
Good evening y'all - how is everyone tonight and what all are we talking about?
How are ya RW? Good to see you.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:32:52pm |
Killgore-
I know some fiscal conservatives who agree with you- and they're in the party. Don't think you're alone.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:33:18pm |
re: #126 capitalist piglet
Did that actually happen somewhere?
Charles doesn't want me linking to Bircher pages (heh - I don't blame him), but there are posts out there (if you look) where Birchers describe bringing their pamphlets and DVDs to the Tea Parties to give out.
Of course there are plenty of people handing out propaganda of one sort or another. What bothers me is the (apparent) number of people who willingly accept the "information" without critical analysis.
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:33:34pm |
re: #129 Silvergirl
After not inviting Ron Paul to the Fox debate during the primary, and seeing RP supporters chase Sean Hannity down the street over that slight, now Fox has come to this?
IMO, Luap Nor has a whole different set of supporters (other than a small number of paleolib kooks) now than he did in 2007.
As to why FOX is among them now though, I don't know.
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Irish Rose Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:33:36pm |
Bringing this up from another thread:
Due to the regrettable content of his threads, Ace of Spades HQ has been removed from my links and blogroll, and I have emailed a link containing his disgraceful, abusive content to my contact list as well.
I advise all readers here at LGF to do the same, even if you appreciate the other content at Aces'. It is absolutely disgraceful that Charles has to continue to put up with this vile shit, especially from people that he has been a friend to. Ace should be ashamed of himself.
Enough, already.... make a stand, and delink.
Then email Ace, and let him know why he is no longer welcome on your blogroll.
For those of you who have not been following along, you can find an example of Aces' definition of the word friendship here.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:33:52pm |
re: #117 ArchangelMichael
The Bull Moose Party was the Progressive Party, as in the "progressives" who brought us these "good" ideas:
Linking Healthcare to Employment
Income Tax and Inheritance Tax
Beginnings of the Welfare State
Farm Subsidies
Pre-WWI IsolationismNo thanks... Even worse idea than resurrecting the Whigs.
Um, no. The Bull Moose Party was Theodore Roosevelt.
You are discussing things that happened under Woodrow Wilson and beyond.
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MJ Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:34:09pm |
re: #13 Last Mohican
Here is the anti-semitic graphic in question. Well, actually it's a discussion thereof. The Ron Paul meetup group that posted the graphic has made itself private and members-only.
Thanks for posting the graphic. It's helpful to see it.
It's an illustrated blood libel.
Saw this type of illustration during far Leftist protests as well as
by Muslim extremists.
Not surprised to see Ron Paul's followers using that imagery.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:34:30pm |
re: #126 capitalist piglet
Did that actually happen somewhere?
The actual pamphlet-handing-overs scene? I don't know, probably. But mostly I just mean that there were certainly pro-Paul speakers at some of these rallies, pro-Paul signs at most of them, and probably little Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty tables with paraphernalia for anyone interested.
I didn't go to a Tea Party. People here have been saying they were mostly populated by normal-appearing folks. All I'm saying is, it's a great opportunity to get your foot in the door and come up with a few new recruits.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:35:33pm |
re: #125 irongrampa
I support the idea of the Tea Party enthusiastically.
We (wife&I) attended 2 in our area, and we were struck by the people we met there. Genuinely nice folks--in NO way to be compared to the left's idea of protesters. It sickens me to see the co-opting by the likes of Paul and other garbage.
Charles, I hope that you continue to expose this--it can only help,if enough learn what's happening.By publicizing it, I feel that there WILL be pushback from the genuine organizers and we can divest of the likes of Paul. Perhaps we can look at this as growing pains--at least I hope so.
From your lips to God's ear, irongrampa.
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:36:13pm |
Ron Paul will never be the Republican candidate for President...Not a chance.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:36:28pm |
re: #125 irongrampa
Charles, I hope that you continue to expose this--it can only help,if enough learn what's happening.By publicizing it, I feel that there WILL be pushback from the genuine organizers and we can divest of the likes of Paul. Perhaps we can look at this as growing pains--at least I hope so.
I hope so too, and I didn't go to any Tea Parties. Again, the guy who is working to marginalize the Paulians is the head of the CA GOP.
That's a good sign, IMHO. I hope he keeps it up, and I certainly hope he gets lots of support and some nice feedback to balance all of the insane mail he's going to get from Paulians.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:36:40pm |
well, its getting late--i would like to share our happiness-mikeydad is retireing on monday afte r32 yrs w/ibm. has made many savvy financial decisions and we are going to do very well. watched those poor folks on 60 min on sunday--their 401 k's were wiped out--but--really-get out of the stock market when retirement is near--i am blessed my hubby knew what to do--our kids now--30 an architect and 28--a solar electrian--have had to take pay cuts-- and we are able to still retire and live well but we can help our kids, too. i am very nervous for our countrys future--my kids face a hard time--im happy to help them--but--i fear the o is gonna destroy our country--
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Kulhwch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:36:48pm |
Guilliani and Thompson or Romney and Palin, 2012?
}:( [Please? Any combination of them ... ]
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:37:26pm |
'Haniyeh hid in hospital during Gaza op'
Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh operated a command and control center inside Shifa Hospital in downtown Gaza City throughout Operation Cast Lead in January, the IDF revealed on Wednesday.
....
enior Hamas commanders also set up a command center in a Red Crescent Society clinic in Khan Yunis and used it as a detention center.
....
The probe also uncovered a number of cases during which Hamas used ambulances to transport operatives. Testimony by a Gazan medical worker and obtained by the IDF revealed how Hamas forced the Red Crescent to hand over medic and nurse uniforms for its operatives...... the army also looked into a complaint filed by the United Nations that the air force had bombed an UNRWA vehicle in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood in southern Gaza City.
... the UN vehicle was used to transport a Palestinian anti-tank squad and was bombed after it unloaded the squad. The driver was wounded; he was later identified as the former driver of Hamas co-founder Ahmed Yassin, who was killed by Israel in 2004.
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:37:46pm |
re: #122 JCM Hey JCM, I sure hope you can keep that sense of humor going for ya come 2012.
This is a partial repost of something from the Dead Thread - just something I wanted to get off my chest so to speak:
The LEFT has proposed nothing affirmative in nature since George W. Bush took office on January 20, 2001. NOTHING of Affirmative value. The constant drumbeat of Bush STOLE the election from Gore who couldn't even win his own state (and if he had he'd have been elected POTUS and no one would care about Florida at all) and after CHARLES exposed the MSM - or at least Dan Rather, Mary Mapes and 60 Minutes of literally trying to throw the election to Kerry in '04 with the forged TANG documents ("Rathergate") it's been nothing but bash Bush and his administration day in and day out. No one was asking the Democrats (in the minority in 2001 and 2002 with a Rep. President, House and Senate) to come up with "positive ideas" in order to remain a viable party. Nothing but a constant, unceasing drumbeat of how bad Bush was. How bad Rumsfeld and Cheney were. Caricatures of Bush as Hitler. Protests and protest marches covered like a rug by the MSM (and connections of those marches with ANSWER and other "disaffected" left over anti-Vietnam War clowns not always being included by the MSM) without one word of complaint or comparison by the MSM about how they organized those protests, etc., all because of Bush Derangement Syndrome and you know what? IT FUCKING WORKED. We wound up with a totally unqualified and unprepared person as POTUS, a person so ignorant that he's now having doubts about Afghanistan - you know, the nation that openly stated Osama bin Laden was hiding there and they wouldn't turn him over, so Bush leads us to Afghanistan and takes it over in what, 9 weeks or so after 9/11 and what does the MSM portray - what an incredible military we have to be able to pull this off? NO, what the MSM portrays is how many Afghan citizens WE killed.
And then Iraq the MSM STILL hasn't acknowledged that we've WON in Iraq - and btw, do you remember Valerie Plame now? What about "Scooter Libby"? No we're now back to investigating some of those who gave the legal ok to "torture" the prisoners at GITMO - and never mind the fact that Nancy Pelosi and other high ranking DEMS were given complete and full briefings on these interrogation techniques and never said a damn negative word about them. And ONLY the right was "troubled" by John Fucking Murtha's betrayal of those Marines, only the right was "troubled" by the capture of Iranian Quds in Iraq teaching - sometimes by example - the "insurgents" how to kill American troops and it all got brushed away with BDS.
The American Left - if it had ANY conscience at all, would be embarrassed by the lack of journalistic ethics and responsibility they demonstrated, on a daily basis, against Bush and the Republicans.
Well Obama won't be POTUS forever, and whenever he leaves office, I'm sure that any "malfeasance" on the part of Rahm Emmanual, Timothy Geitherner, Eric Holder and others will be just as thoroughly investigated.
Thank you SO MUCH Mr. President "hope and change" Obama.
Thanks a lot.
You PROVED that with enough vitriol even a totally inexperienced candidate with no perceived respect nor affection for America could be elected POUTS.
Ya know I'm sorry JCM -maybe Ron Paul will just follow in Obama's footsteps.
God help us all.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:37:50pm |
re: #143 Ringo the Gringo
Ron Paul will never be the Republican candidate for President...Not a chance.
No, absolutely not. But the more noise he's able to make, the more the MSM will be able to make it look like all Republicans are as bat-shit crazy as he is.
It's hard to win a presidential election when pretty much the entire journalistic profession has decided to fight against you.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:39:12pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:39:19pm |
re: #135 Sharmuta
We'll see what happens. I don't think this is the end of the GOP but it's going to be a while before the adults take control again.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:40:11pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Which is fine. It's too early to speculate on nominees for 2012, imo. But I do think the bastards in the msm are trying to plant idiot seeds in our minds.
And it seems they're finding fertile soil in some.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:40:13pm |
re: #151 Dark_Falcon
I could have sworn he was giving press conferences from Syria. I have my doubts about that article.
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:40:21pm |
re: #116 mikeymom
If y'all are still out here, how did your dental work go today?!
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:41:20pm |
re: #130 jorline
Hi pink.
I miss Brit and Brett hasn't won me over yet...too stiff.
Why does Brett Baier remind me of Charlie Brown...must be the shape of his head and the ears...lol
Hi Jorline! Nice to see you, it's been a while.
Brett's getting there ...give him some time. He's got some big shoes to fill and he has done admirably so far ...especially for one so young.
He has something going for him ... I'm not quite sure I can define it. It's a measured and calm assuredness, without a trace of pomposity or self-aggrandizement that is so common in that industry. He is intelligent, fair, and very respectful of his guests. I think he is still finding his footing. I wish him well, and was pleased to see the brass give him this shot.
/I think he's adorable. :-)
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:41:51pm |
re: #131 Last Mohican
LOL! - I suspect that your #2 is not exactly complete!
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rumcrook Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:42:41pm |
every day I see something that just makes me think,..... ...what the fuck!?
after seeeing the poster advertising the tea party I think to myself how could these people be so stupid!
debate all you want, its anti semetic it looks anti semetic it looks bad!
unless you secretly agree with it and are blinded by it.
I mean really of the billions being wasted of our tax dollars, the people who used this as thier focus, focused it like a laser beam all right, right on thier own personal hate and vendetta against israel! and this is gonna be the face of revolt against soft socialism and the empty cronyism of the left?
what the fuck! really its hard to counter nut jobs like janeen garafolo that hose monster when crap like this becomes the face of oposition to the left.
and im reading apologetics from these idiots saying its not anti semetic?
really, what the fuck.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:42:48pm |
re: #141 Last Mohican
The actual pamphlet-handing-overs scene? I don't know, probably. But mostly I just mean that there were certainly pro-Paul speakers at some of these rallies, pro-Paul signs at most of them, and probably little Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty tables with paraphernalia for anyone interested.
I didn't go to a Tea Party. People here have been saying they were mostly populated by normal-appearing folks. All I'm saying is, it's a great opportunity to get your foot in the door and come up with a few new recruits.
So it is. But it's also an opportunity for lizards to pull in some new members...
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:42:53pm |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
We'll see what happens. I don't think this is the end of the GOP but it's going to be a while before the adults take control again.
I agree we'll see what happens. But the dastardly fox news shouldn't be considered a decent barometer of conservative thought, imo. I mean- fercryingoutloud- they host glenn freakin beck. Why are people still taking fox seriously?
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:43:31pm |
re: #134 jorline
Hey my friend - how are you tonight? Um, do I recall correctly that you were gonna e-mail me about your doc's appointments and all?
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:43:53pm |
re: #143 Ringo the Gringo
Ron Paul will never be the Republican candidate for President...Not a chance.
In this climate? Anything can happen.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:44:24pm |
re: #159 rumcrook
and im reading apologetics from these idiots saying its not anti semetic?
really, what the fuck.
And that is why VegasRick chose the wrong thread for that flounce-off.
"First, they came for the people who drew up antiSemitic flyers..."
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:45:12pm |
re: #156 realwest
thx bud--had a mammo in the am--then some repair work on lower front--piece of cake-lots of novacain-life is good! hubby booked us for another week at cancun resort we were at in nov--he hadto restrain me from thowing my drink at tv during the elections--lol--my sis had a stroke too when we were there last--hope this trip will be better-lolol hope you and mom are well-enjoying the spring weather?
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:46:24pm |
re: #143 Ringo the Gringo
Hey Ringo! Be careful there - that's what Hillary Clinton said about Barrack Obama!
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:46:28pm |
Do you know what Republican I like?....Thaddeus McCotter.
Anyone else here know him?
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JCM Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:46:37pm |
re: #148 realwest
Excellent!
Humor is about all I got left friend, gallows humor.
I also have optimism, as long as folks like you and the other Lizards are around, the flame will continue to burn. In in the words of that extremist Sam Adams, It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.
You and the Lizards are that irate, tireless minority.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:47:00pm |
re: #96 So?
I caught a bit of Savage's radio show recently. Thanks to him, I now know that Princess Di's death was actually an assassination hit by British Secret Intelligence to prevent her unborn, half arab baby from ascending to the throne.
Really.
*spit!*
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:47:24pm |
re: #143 Ringo the Gringo
Ron Paul will never be the Republican candidate for President...Not a chance.
If that really does happen, I'll write in Bush, McCain, Romney, Gulliani, Palin, Steele.....anyone but that Code Pinker in drag.
Speaking of Steele, where the fuck is he? He should've been out in front of this Ron Paul bullshit three weeks ago.....
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:47:34pm |
re: #167 Ringo the Gringo
Do you know what Republican I like?....Thaddeus McCotter.
Anyone else here know him?
great name--inform us!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:48:06pm |
Actually, the races we should be focusing on are your state and federal congresscritters, '10. Look around your state, and see who you can support.
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:48:22pm |
re: #153 mikeymom
Ah - see my #156 - how are your teeth doing today?
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:48:38pm |
re: #161 Sharmuta
I agree we'll see what happens. But the dastardly fox news shouldn't be considered a decent barometer of conservative thought, imo. I mean- fercryingoutloud- they host glenn freakin beck. Why are people still taking fox seriously?
You know. Was Fox ever on the conservative side of things? Consider Fox Entertainment. Consider that they employ Janeane Garofalo. They were never really an ally they were and are just playing a demographics game and doing what they can to maximize profits and sell a product. Listening to all of their pundits was and always has been like watching a Broadway play and a bad one at that. They always took the low road since their inception and continue to do so to this day.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:48:58pm |
re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth
I caught a bit of Savage's radio show recently. Thanks to him, I now know that Princess Di's death was actually an assassination hit by British Secret Intelligence to prevent her unborn, half arab baby from ascending to the throne.
Really.
*spit!*
Here is the lesson behind Princess Di's death: Wear your seatbelt.
I don't submit that in a disrespectful tone, it's just that that's what it is. She should have been wearing a seatbelt.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:49:08pm |
re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth
I caught a bit of Savage's radio show recently. Thanks to him, I now know that Princess Di's death was actually an assassination hit by British Secret Intelligence to prevent her unborn, half arab baby from ascending to the throne.
Really.
*spit!*
The stupidity of that conspiracy theory is no great that it doesn't even deserve a rebuttal. The only proper response to Michael Savage is GAZE.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:49:22pm |
re: #141 Last Mohican
The actual pamphlet-handing-overs scene? I don't know, probably. But mostly I just mean that there were certainly pro-Paul speakers at some of these rallies, pro-Paul signs at most of them, and probably little Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty tables with paraphernalia for anyone interested.
I didn't go to a Tea Party. People here have been saying they were mostly populated by normal-appearing folks. All I'm saying is, it's a great opportunity to get your foot in the door and come up with a few new recruits.
I went to two, and there was nothing like that at all going on. Grandmas and young parents - stuff like that - no clearly visible nuts, no information tables, nothing.
The one in Olympia, Washington, was organized partly by locals (a couple of local radio stations were promoting it), and I think there was a conservative think-tank involved that has nothing to do with Ron Paul, that I'm aware of.
I could see how what you described could happen, but I was wondering how wide spread that might have been.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:50:20pm |
re: #167 Ringo the Gringo
Do you know what Republican I like?....Thaddeus McCotter.
Anyone else here know him?
From what I've heard I like him. That being said considering the recent morphing of politicians I'll remain a skeptic.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:50:23pm |
re: #175 EmmmieG
That and don't ride with drunk drivers. I thought I'd read that the limo driver was bombed?
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:50:38pm |
re: #173 realwest
Ah - see my #156 - how are your teeth doing today?
it was a very minor thing real--doing well--not like your horror stories!
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itellu3times Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:50:59pm |
I'm not sure the party is going Ron Paul, but Fox News might be.
Libtard friend of mine was chuckling himself to death today over it, tho since he's always thought Fox was a Nazi racist station, he seems a little confused about what's changed. He was even asking me about LGF, must have picked up some echoes of the exploding heads or something.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:51:05pm |
re: #175 EmmmieG
Here is the lesson behind Princess Di's death: Wear your seatbelt.
I don't submit that in a disrespectful tone, it's just that that's what it is. She should have been wearing a seatbelt.
Yep, its telling that the only person in the car wearing his seatbelt was the only survivor.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:51:36pm |
re: #175 EmmmieG
Here is the lesson behind Princess Di's death: Wear your seatbelt.
I don't submit that in a disrespectful tone, it's just that that's what it is. She should have been wearing a seatbelt.
Another one: let your hair grow out, don't be afraid to develop a figure, lighten up on the makeup and jewelry, and settle down with some decent guy who is never going to end up in front of a camera.
Moths to flames get burnt.
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Jack Burton Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:52:27pm |
re: #139 funky chicken
Um, no. The Bull Moose Party was Theodore Roosevelt.
You are discussing things that happened under Woodrow Wilson and beyond.
When Teddy Roosevelt was President (1901-1909) he was a Republican. He split from the Republicans in 1912 to form the Bull Moose Party. Wilson may have been President during the time, but a lot of ideas that affected politics of the time came from the Progressives. There was a couple of good ideas like women's suffrage, but a whole laundry list of things that could be called anything but conservative.
This is wiki so take it as you will:
The party was funded by publisher Frank A. Munsey and its executive secretary George W. Perkins, a leading financier. The platform called for women's suffrage, recall of judicial decisions, easier amendment of the U.S. Constitution, social welfare legislation for women and children, workers' compensation, limited injunctions in strikes, farm relief, revision of banking to assure an elastic currency, required health insurance in industry, new inheritance taxes and income taxes, improvement of inland waterways, and limitation of naval armaments.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:53:13pm |
i have insomnia-some nights--keep the tv on--i cant believe fox has that red eye thing on--what a piece of crap-so 'dirty' i cant watch it--maybe i'm an old frt but---
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MJ Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:53:34pm |
The danger is not that Ron Paul will win the Republican nomination.
That ain't gonna happen...
As I see it, the danger comes from having his ideas accepted as mainstream Republican beliefs. It's the mainstreaming of extremism.
The second danger comes from those stealth candidates who represent Ron Paul and his ideas. Recall that in n 1986, two supporters of LaRouche, Mark Fairchild and Janice Hart, won the Democratic party nominations in Illinois for the offices of Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State, respectively. This was the first time that LaRouche supporters had won statewide nominations. The Illinois Democratic party renounced the nominations, and the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, Adlai Stevenson III refused to run on the same slate with Fairchild and Hart, instead forming the Solidarity Party. The Republican ticket swept the elections, winning by over a million votes.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:53:40pm |
re: #175 EmmmieG
Here is the lesson behind Princess Di's death: Wear your seatbelt.
I don't submit that in a disrespectful tone, it's just that that's what it is. She should have been wearing a seatbelt.
She had the same injury Natasha Richardson had. Had Diana been rushed to the hospital, she could have been saved. It was the circus in the tunnel that made her injury fatal.
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:54:00pm |
And I was expecting down dings for that... thanks Em + funky
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:54:28pm |
re: #174 Gus 802
You know. Was Fox ever on the conservative side of things? Consider Fox Entertainment. Consider that they employ Janeane Garofalo. They were never really an ally they were and are just playing a demographics game and doing what they can to maximize profits and sell a product.
Consider this, Gus- Veteran's Day 2006; The same weekend FOX was airing this unmitigated bullshit, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- yes, the fucking CBC- was airing this.
Which do you think was more fitting to air on a weekend honoring members of the military who made the ultimate sacrifice?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:55:44pm |
re: #189 Zimriel
And I was expecting down dings for that... thanks Em + funky
I've always felt sad about the fact that she would have made a great mother to some British Earl's kids and might have been happy. Fame isn't worth everything.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:56:25pm |
re: #187 MJ
And David Duke in Louisiana on the Republican side....
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:56:26pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
I wonder that a lot.
I always have wondered. The OC? Beverly Hill 90210? The Simpsons? Mind you I'm not straight laced and watched some of this gunk on rare occasion but when I think about the "Fox is conservative" meme I just laugh to myself.
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JCM Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:56:51pm |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
Yep, its telling that the only person in the car wearing his seatbelt was the only survivor.
The French medics also blew the Golden Hour to hell and gone. It's possible with prompt aggressive medical intervention she might have survived her injuries.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:57:43pm |
re: #190 Fenway_Nation
Consider this, Gus- Veteran's Day 2006; The same weekend FOX was airing this unmitigated bullshit, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- yes, the fucking CBC- was airing this.
Which do you think was more fitting to air on a weekend honoring members of the military who made the ultimate sacrifice?
The CBC. The Simpsons is a perfect example of the Fox double standard. Yeah, conservative. The Simpsons.
Right. ;)
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jorline Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:57:59pm |
re: #162 realwest
Hey my friend - how are you tonight? Um, do I recall correctly that you were gonna e-mail me about your doc's appointments and all?
In a nut shell.
*Rheumy is stumped about the RA...if it is RA.
*Rheumy is stumped by my weight loss...50 pounds in four months.
*Rheumy and Opthamologist are stumped about my scleritis.
*Rheumy left open the option of going to a special clinic in Dallas or Houston for further test.
*They're removing skin cancer from my scalp tomorrow morning.
*TB meds are continuing.
Good news...I'm weening off prednisone, should be free within 30 days.
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Kulhwch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:58:21pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Agreed.
}:) [But with my luck, we'll get Arnold and Dan Quayle making a comeback ... ]
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kiwiviv Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:58:21pm |
I'm sorry to butt in here, but I just drove 6 hours to be a with a dying friend in her final moments. I just wanted to say the name of an most honorable woman:
Joannah - you are a class by yourself - greatness is not only seen in your accomplishments, but in the respect and admiration that those who knew you best held for you during all your days.
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:58:44pm |
re: #168 JCM Why thank you JCM - it has - admittedly belatedly - occurred to me that for the most part, there are an entirely different group of lizards on the evening/early morning (East Coast time) threads than on the DT or the first couple of threads Charles gives us. And tonight I read (and put in the spin off links) that Condi Rice is probably gonna be one of Holder/Obama's targets on the interrogation thing as well, so I decided to repost that.
I also don't think it's Obama Derangement Syndrome to post some of the absolute shit that he's said or done or proposed.
But I am TRULY PISSED OFF that the MSM doesn't cover it or if they do, it's sort of in passing.
Do you know where I heard about Obama's reneging on the investigation prosecution of CIA interrogators? Right here. From Charles. At least Charles is a constant in our sea of troubles - he calls it like he see's it and doesn't let shit slide by.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:58:50pm |
re: #193 Gus 802
I always have wondered. The OC? Beverly Hill 90210? The Simpsons? Mind you I'm not straight laced and watched some of this gunk on rare occasion but when I think about the "Fox is conservative" meme I just laugh to myself.
Actually, I loved The OC, and I still watch The Simpsons when I can.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 9:59:46pm |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
Actually, I loved The OC, and I still watch The Simpsons when I can.
I know. I actually thought the The OC was pretty interesting at first. You know what I mean though right?
/Maybe?
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:00:14pm |
re: #143 Ringo the Gringo
Ron Paul will never be the Republican candidate for President...Not a chance.
I look at it as the last Hurrah of the Paleo Horde
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Kulhwch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:01:02pm |
re: #198 kiwiviv
Very touching. The love for your friend shows through ...
}:) [And don't you dare apologize!]
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:01:14pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
The CBC. The Simpsons is a perfect example of the Fox double standard. Yeah, conservative. The Simpsons.
Right. ;)
And for the record, can we simply refer to Jeanine Garafalo as B-Minus Time Traveller from here on out?
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:01:22pm |
re: #180 mikeymom Huh. Last night or the night before you were concerned cause you don't "do novacane well" in your front teeth!
Well, glad all is well with you!
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Randall Gross Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:02:19pm |
The ugly thing coming is that the Paleos are anti war/isolationist, watch for them to start dissing the war efforts and tieing it to Obama soon. If it goes real bad the Dems will play along and make Afghanistan into Viet Nam II.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:02:28pm |
re: #204 Fenway_Nation
And for the record, can we simply refer to Jeanine Garafalo as B-Minus Time Traveller from here on out?
Was that an offshoot of Reading Rainbow?
/Doh!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:02:33pm |
re: #201 Gus 802
I know. I actually thought the The OC was pretty interesting at first. You know what I mean though right?
/Maybe?
Yeah, I knew. I was just saying. I agree that Fox is clearly more oriented towards making money than being conservative. If crazy sells, then crazy is what they'll broadcast.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:02:41pm |
re: #196 jorline
jorline--i've gleaned through your posts with real that you have alot of problems--and i just want to tell you that when i pray at night, real is my first, and you are my second. may you both find peace and healing.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:02:45pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
The CBC. The Simpsons is a perfect example of the Fox double standard. Yeah, conservative. The Simpsons.
Right. ;)
I had a hard time enjoying the Simpson's Movie. The Hockey Stick Graph even made an appearance.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:02:58pm |
re: #208 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, I knew. I was just saying. I agree that Fox is clearly more oriented towards making money than being conservative. If crazy sells, then crazy is what they'll broadcast.
Exactly.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:03:22pm |
re: #190 Fenway_Nation
Consider this, Gus- Veteran's Day 2006; The same weekend FOX was airing this unmitigated bullshit, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- yes, the fucking CBC- was airing this.
Which do you think was more fitting to air on a weekend honoring members of the military who made the ultimate sacrifice?
They're not our friends. I know they want us to think they are, but we don't have any friends in the media. It's just a sad fact. They're bullshitting us.
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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:03:32pm |
Alright, I may get dinged down mercilessly for this, but I have some things I have to get off my chest.
First they came for the tea party protesters, and I said nothing, because I was not a tea party protester. Then they came for the SUV drivers, and I said nothing, because my car is in the shop right now, getting a new CD changer installed. Then they came for the pancakes, but we were all out of pancakes. So I was like "why don't you try an omelette, they're really good." And they were like, "okay, good idea." But then they came for seconds. And I said nothing, even though the all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet specifically excludes seconds at the hot bar. And then they came for the sunny weather, but they stayed for the warm Southern hospitality. They came for whom the bell tolls, but I was born a rambling man.
Whoa, what's happening? Where am I? Last thing I remember I took an Ambien and I was falling asleep in my bed...
Weet dreams everyone!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:04:03pm |
re: #204 Fenway_Nation
And for the record, can we simply refer to Jeanine Garafalo as B-Minus Time Traveller from here on out?
I prefer "Proof that very bad things can come in small, ugly packages."
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:04:06pm |
re: #198 kiwiviv
I'm sorry to butt in here, but I just drove 6 hours to be a with a dying friend in her final moments. I just wanted to say the name of an most honorable woman:
Joannah - you are a class by yourself - greatness is not only seen in your accomplishments, but in the respect and admiration that those who knew you best held for you during all your days.
peace and prayers
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:04:40pm |
I get the privilege of dealing with a bunch of 8-12 year old boys tomorrow. I am going to bed now so that I have the strength to deal wtih can fully appreciate them.
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itellu3times Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:04:56pm |
re: #196 jorline
Good news...I'm weening off prednisone, should be free within 30 days.
Sorry to hear about all your issues.
Have you been on the prednisone for a while? Can be a challenge for some to get off it, if they've been on for too long. May have some suggestions if that becomes a problem.
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kiwiviv Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:05:11pm |
re: #203 Kulhwch
Thank you so much for your kindness - it is such a sad day.
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funky chicken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:05:20pm |
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:05:34pm |
re: #205 realwest
and you, sir--have a remarkable memory! he gave me an extra shot--all was well.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:06:30pm |
Shep Smith:
"On FoxNews.com's online show The Strategy Room, Smith took his opposition to a whole other level. "We are America!" he shouted, slamming his hand on the table. "I don't give a rat's ass if it helps. We are AMERICA! We do not fucking torture!"
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The Shadow Do Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:06:46pm |
Why in the world do some folks get upset that Fox News does not promote their particular conservative vision? It's a business. One that has found a formula for success ($). This business really doesn't care about your individual political take and why should they. It is up to you to sort out all the information out there. Fox brings some good and some bad. What's new?
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Zimriel Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:06:54pm |
re: #213 Last Mohican
Alright, I may get dinged down mercilessly for this, but I have some things I have to get off my chest.
If you're going to shave your nipples, keep that information to yourself.
/goodnight lizards :^)
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:07:58pm |
re: #221 pink freud
Shep Smith:
"On FoxNews.com's online show The Strategy Room, Smith took his opposition to a whole other level. "We are America!" he shouted, slamming his hand on the table. "I don't give a rat's ass if it helps. We are AMERICA! We do not fucking torture!"
[Video]
Did one of Shep Smith's faux lashes fall off?
//
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:09:14pm |
re: #190 Fenway_Nation
Consider this, Gus- Veteran's Day 2006; The same weekend FOX was airing this unmitigated bullshit, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation- yes, the fucking CBC- was airing this.
Which do you think was more fitting to air on a weekend honoring members of the military who made the ultimate sacrifice?
I HATE that Simpson's episode.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:10:19pm |
re: #225 Gus 802
i hope i get many karma points here-- I WILL NOT WATCH SHEP ON FOX_ h-e is an ass--bubmling fool pretty boy
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JCM Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:10:33pm |
re: #199 realwest
Why thank you JCM - it has - admittedly belatedly - occurred to me that for the most part, there are an entirely different group of lizards on the evening/early morning (East Coast time) threads than on the DT or the first couple of threads Charles gives us. And tonight I read (and put in the spin off links) that Condi Rice is probably gonna be one of Holder/Obama's targets on the interrogation thing as well, so I decided to repost that.
I also don't think it's Obama Derangement Syndrome to post some of the absolute shit that he's said or done or proposed.
But I am TRULY PISSED OFF that the MSM doesn't cover it or if they do, it's sort of in passing.
Do you know where I heard about Obama's reneging on the investigation prosecution of CIA interrogators? Right here. From Charles. At least Charles is a constant in our sea of troubles - he calls it like he see's it and doesn't let shit slide by.
True that, it goes beyond just the targeting former admin officials, it will damage our intel capabilities worse than the Church Commission. It will have serious ramifications, bloody ramifications down the line.
Keep our eyes on '10 right now.
With that I have to check out.
Goodnight Real, Goodnight Honcos.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:11:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:11:13pm |
Fading now. Off to bed. Till tomorrow, all.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:11:27pm |
re: #221 pink freud
Shep Smith:
"On FoxNews.com's online show The Strategy Room, Smith took his opposition to a whole other level. "We are America!" he shouted, slamming his hand on the table. "I don't give a rat's ass if it helps. We are AMERICA! We do not fucking torture!"
[Video]
Shep has a potty mouth!
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:11:43pm |
re: #177 capitalist piglet
You know there are 4 LGFer's in N.C. (well there's a HELL of a lot more than that in the state!) who went to four different Tea Parties down here (we had 32 altogether) and while I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ron Paul or the Neo-Nazi's were some way involved, but none of those four lizards at four different tea parties saw anything much in evidence against Paul and none against the Neo-Nazi's. Personally, I think Ron Paul tried to "lead" these tea parties to begin with, but really couldn't cope with hundreds of thousands of people at hundreds if not thousands of tea parties that happened.
It's a pretty simple fact of life: LOTS of folks have lost their jobs; lots of folks have lost their 401-k or retirement benefits; the economic future doesn't look really bright right now and Obama's policy is to spend (and tax) our way out of it and to many folks that just doesn't feel or sound right.
Probably cause it isn't.
And I noticed a comment Occasional Reader made today somewhere - I try to peruse LGF even when I've only got a few free minutes - about how Obama didn't really defend America when, iirc, Daniel Ortega started bashing us - saying something akin to Obama's being only 3 years old at the time. Now O.R. can be a kidder and he might have been kidding about that, but this "investigation blame game" about interrogations by the CIA is gonna turn out REALLY BADLY I'm afraid.
I honestly believe that there will be more and more public demonstrations as time goes by and neither that idiot Ron Paul or those scum Neo-Nazi's will be leading 'em either.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:11:45pm |
aCTUALLY, IM NOT WATCHING FOX AT ALL LATELY--hubby thinks im losing it--
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:11:53pm |
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:13:00pm |
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:13:05pm |
re: #226 Idle Drifter
Says alot about them airing that episode on the same weekend as Veteran's Day.
*spit*
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:13:47pm |
re: #235 pink freud
...and zero credibility. Not a shred. Not a puff.
Whole damn network, if you ask me.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:13:48pm |
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:16:19pm |
re: #237 Sharmuta
Whole damn network, if you ask me.
True that. I will watch Krauthammer, though ...the man has some serious smarts (even tho he did piss me off with his mild fawning over 0bama during some of the primary debates.)
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:16:32pm |
re: #190 Fenway_Nation
Well Lord knows I have no use for Fox, but according to your link ""G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)" ,or "G.I.D'oh" is the fifth episode of The Simpsons' eighteenth season and first aired November 12, 2006." And Veteran's Day is in fact November 11th.
Just sayin.....
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The Shadow Do Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:18:44pm |
I would not be at all comfortable with a new source that simply reinforced my political positions. Not at all.
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Kulhwch Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:18:49pm |
re: #218 kiwiviv
De nada. At least you'll have her in your head for the rest of YOUR days.
}:) [That's no small thing.]
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:20:14pm |
re: #239 pink freud
True that. I will watch Krauthammer, though ...the man has some serious smarts (even tho he did piss me off with his mild fawning over 0bama during some of the primary debates.)
I'm going to make it a point to watch him then. I've read his stuff over at NRO and he's been rather insightful from time to time.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:20:39pm |
re: #240 realwest
Fine- Veteran's Day weekend.
My original point is that the moonbat-ish CBC was able to put together a very earnest and moving tribute to their fallen [Canadian] soldiers that weekend while less than 24 hours the supposedly right-wing and jingoistic FOX went out of their way to denigrate them.....in all honestly, that's conduct I'd expect from the BBC, CNN or CBC.
And I will continue harping on this until my dying day. If any FOX supporter has a problem with it, tough shit. FOX should've showed better judgement by airing the episode some other date.
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:21:16pm |
re: #196 jorline HOLY CRAP! You've lost 50 pounds in 4 months? And one of prednisone's side effects is a ferocious appetite!
And I'm sorry my friend, but for them to say they are "stumped" just doesn't cut it with me. Damn.
I'm glad your going off prednisone and that the TB meds are still rolling along, but I'm really sorry for you for the other stuff (but glad you'll be off that awful prednisone soon).
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:22:09pm |
re: #236 Fenway_Nation
Says alot about them airing that episode on the same weekend as Veteran's Day.
*spit*
Ham handed politics masquerading as comedy.
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mikeymom Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:22:11pm |
well, im going to envoke the iron fist rule here--i will wish you all a blessed day--real and jorline--prayers!
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:23:04pm |
re: #198 kiwiviv I'm very sorry for your loss and you don't ever have to apologize when "butting in" for something like that. My sympathies and condolences to you and her family.
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Silvergirl Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:23:18pm |
re: #245 Unlimited
Do not talk to me about Thomas DiLorenzo's book on Lincoln.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:23:56pm |
re: #240 realwest
Well Lord knows I have no use for Fox, but according to your link ""G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)" ,or "G.I.D'oh" is the fifth episode of The Simpsons' eighteenth season and first aired November 12, 2006." And Veteran's Day is in fact November 11th.
Just sayin.....
The United States Marine Corps's birthday is November 10.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:24:39pm |
re: #244 Fenway_Nation
the supposedly right-wing and jingoistic FOX went out of their way to denigrate
themAmerican Soldiers
< == Clarification.
Altho' I understand some FOX news personalities took some cheap shots at Canada's not-insgnificant contribution to the fight in Afghanistan.
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bryantms Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:24:50pm |
I think what's going on here is arguing about two different things. There is one side arguing for lawful secession, and another arguing for secession under any name. When I think of this argument, secession is revolution. After all, secession simply means to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization. No mentions of lawful or otherwise in it.
Can we now move past this small point and get to the meat of their actual argument, how the federal government is growing much larger than intended? Please?
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:25:20pm |
re: #206 Thanos " If it goes real bad the Dems will play along and make Afghanistan into Viet Nam II."
Hell Thanos, if it goes well they'll still try. Have you heard ANY DEMS much less Obama or Pelosi, congratulate Iraq on it's victory?
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:26:41pm |
re: #243 Gus 802
I'm going to make it a point to watch him then. I've read his stuff over at NRO and he's been rather insightful from time to time.
Krauthammer has an M.D from Harvard and is board certified in psychiatry by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He was Chief Resident in Psychiatry at Mass General. He's won a Pulitzer for his column in the WAPO.
Check him out at Wiki.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:26:51pm |
re: #247 Idle Drifter
Ham handed politics masquerading as comedy.
That's when it isn't masquerading as drama or a 'thriller'....
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:31:36pm |
re: #245 Unlimited NO - Abe Lincoln, 1860; hell no, Gen. Sherman 1864 and double hell no, Gen. Grant, April 1865.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:31:48pm |
re: #255 pink freud
The pullitzer will holds zero signifcance for me as long as Walter Duranty still has his.
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Salamantis Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:33:31pm |
We don't have to worry about the MSM shafting us; the disgusting assholes we have been unwilling to cut loose are doing that job for them, in spades, and in our names. All the MSM has to do is to be there when they stick the knives in, and televise the disasters.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:33:50pm |
re: #256 Fenway_Nation
That's when it isn't masquerading as drama or a 'thriller'....
What happen to telling a good story without preaching to the audience or readers?
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:35:11pm |
re: #255 pink freud
Krauthammer has an M.D from Harvard and is board certified in psychiatry by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He was Chief Resident in Psychiatry at Mass General. He's won a Pulitzer for his column in the WAPO.
Check him out at Wiki.
I never knew he was a parapalegic. He's such a muse.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:35:53pm |
re: #261 Idle Drifter
What happen to telling a good story without preaching to the audience or readers?
Its obituary was written the day we started getting 'ripped-from-the-headlines' TV shows, movies and novels.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:39:13pm |
re: #259 Fenway_Nation
The pullitzer will holds zero signifcance for me as long as Walter Duranty still has his.
Very interesting! Thanks for the link ..and the info.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:41:48pm |
re: #176 Dark_Falcon
The stupidity of that conspiracy theory is no great that it doesn't even deserve a rebuttal. The only proper response to Michael Savage is GAZE.
And that's what I did. The radio station used to be a non-format rock station (playing any rock from the Beatles to Slayer). I guess when I wasn't paying attention, it switched format to Fox Radio.
Anyway, I got in the car, turned on the radio and thought "That's Savage, I haven't heard his show in years". I didn't even make it two blocks before I remembered why it is I haven't been hearing it.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:42:31pm |
re: #262 Gus 802
I never knew he was a parapalegic. He's such a muse.
Muse. A fitting descriptor.
Not surprising ...I can relate to what I perceive to be his psychoanalytical approach to politics. ;-)
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realwest Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:42:31pm |
Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:43:31pm |
Here is the poster (don't know if it is still linked in their photo album, but I suspect it is):
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Pietr Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:44:23pm |
re: #267 realwest
Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.Good night, all.
Goodnight RW.....sleep an enchanted sleep.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:45:07pm |
Janis Joplin - Ball and Chain
re: #267 realwest
Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.Good night, all.
Later Real.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:45:13pm |
re: #269 Catttt
Here is the poster (don't know if it is still linked in their photo album, but I suspect it is):
[Link: photos2.meetupstatic.com...]
What's the story on this poster, Catttt?
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:48:56pm |
re: #266 pink freud
Muse. A fitting descriptor.
Not surprising ...I can relate to what I perceive to be his psychoanalytical approach to politics. ;-)
I can as well having delved into psychology while being an active assistant to my mom while she was earning her BA in psychology and working full time.
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Pietr Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:49:18pm |
re: #269 Catttt
Here is the poster (don't know if it is still linked in their photo album, but I suspect it is):
[Link: photos2.meetupstatic.com...]
re: #272 pink freud
What's the story on this poster, Catttt?
I'd ask the same-I can't read the finer print, even with a magnifier-something about killing our allies children?
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:50:23pm |
re: #269 Catttt
Here is the poster (don't know if it is still linked in their photo album, but I suspect it is):
[Link: photos2.meetupstatic.com...]
Ron Paul?
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:53:23pm |
re: #272 pink freud
What's the story on this poster, Catttt?
It's the full version of the poster that was linked on the (hidden) San Mateo Ron Paul Web site as of /13/2009, via Google cache. Note that it was "Added by Kathy McGrade
at April 9, 2009," according to the blurb on the right.
[Link: ronpaul.meetup.com...]
It still in the original place where she linked it from, and I linked to the original place in my previous post.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:54:56pm |
re: #264 pink freud
Big shock that he was a New York Slimes Employee...
Funny thing about Soviet Communism- you get to learn new phrases like gulag, holodomor or dekulakization
"We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a kulak"- Gregory Zinoviev, 1924
Makes me feel a little less human reading about what happened, let alone living under such a system (that some people still think is a good idea).
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:55:10pm |
re: #278 Catttt
Yep.
Exactly. Clicked you previous link. That's what Ron Paul and his followers are all about in the end.
They're scum.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:56:21pm |
Clicked YOUR link that is. I'm typing impaired. :)
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:56:47pm |
re: #274 Pietr
I'd ask the same-I can't read the finer print, even with a magnifier-something about killing our allies children?
Quote:
uncle sam reminds you
keep
paying
taxes
the ongoing extermination
of palestinian children
can't be done without
your help!
End quote.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 10:58:52pm |
FEC v. MARJORIE BELL
On April 10, 1980, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a consent judgment agreed to by the Commission and defendants Marjorie Bell, the Bell for Senate Committee and its two treasurers, Andrew P. Napolitano and James S. Wagner. The Commission had filed suit on July 20, 1979, claiming that Marjorie Bell had violated the contribution limits of 2 U.S.C. §441a(a)(1)(A) and 441a(a)(3); and that the Bell Committee and its two treasurers had violated 2 U.S.C. §441a(a)(1)(A) and 441a(a)(3); and that the Bell Committee and its two treasurers had violated 2 U.S.C. §441a(f) by knowingly accepting excessive contributions, and 2 U.S.C. §434(b) by failing to report the actual source of the contributions. Marjorie Bell agreed to pay a civil penalty of $500 levied by the court. The Bell for Senate Committee agreed to pay a civil penalty of $4,500 levied against both the Committee and its officers. The Committee also agreed to amend reports filed with the Commission to indicate that Marjorie Bell was the actual source of $52,400 reported as loans from Jeffrey Bell to the Committee.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:00:53pm |
re: #282 Catttt
FUCK THEM! The Palestinians are doing a pretty good job of exterminating their own children.....they hardly need an assist from anyone else.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:01:05pm |
here is another anti-semitic one from the same photo album, ladies and gentlemen:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:02:36pm |
re: #237 Sharmuta
Stop bashing my favorite MSM news outlet, er, um, source for "True Conservative" information!
/
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:04:21pm |
re: #263 Fenway_Nation
Its obituary was written the day we started getting 'ripped-from-the-headlines' TV shows, movies and novels.
South Park is one of the few shows that gets formula right for ripped from the headlines stories, pop culture references, and original story.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:05:54pm |
re: #285 Catttt
here is another anti-semitic one from the same photo album, ladies and gentlemen:
[Link: photos1.meetupstatic.com...]
And Fox News' Andrew P. Napolitano thinks he's a good guy.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:07:32pm |
What the fuck? How are these Paulian talking points any different from Code Pink or International ANSWER?
I mean I knew this was how they felt all along; I didn't think they'd make it as obvious as the Jew-haters and Israel-haters on the left.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:07:46pm |
re: #288 Gus 802
And Fox News' Andrew P. Napolitano thinks he's a good guy.
Ah yes, but it's already been determined that Napolitano is himself not one of the good guys, as he thinks the same of Alex Jones.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:08:16pm |
re: #282 Catttt
What major assholes!
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:09:49pm |
re: #287 Idle Drifter
Ah yes....but that's done in a satirical manner, as opposed to the Law & Order franchise....
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freetoken Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:10:17pm |
I just made the mistake of visiting and reading, for the first time, PrisonPlanet comments (on a particular matter of no import and no more screwy than any other story from Alex Jones.)
That an idiotic story can garner hundreds of even more idiotic comments proves that indeed there is a sucker born every minute.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:11:15pm |
re: #269 Catttt
Here is the poster (don't know if it is still linked in their photo album, but I suspect it is):
[Link: photos2.meetupstatic.com...]
The Ron Paul hole just goes deeper.
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:12:57pm |
re: #290 pink freud
Ah yes, but it's already been determined that Napolitano is himself not one of the good guys, as he thinks the same of Alex Jones.
I know. Yet we need to "drive the point home." Napolitano is bad news and should be rejected six times till Sunday. This guy has no record: zero. He was a hack instructor at Seton Hall and that's about it. He was a judge yet I can't find any records so I'm assuming he was a traffic court judge.
Napolitano is a loser. :)
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BLBfootballs Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:15:01pm |
re: #9 Charles
Current GOP front runners: Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich.
Maybe Pat Buchanan still has time to make a comeback.
No, no, no! I'm sorry, even the politically and intellectually inept GOP isn't stupid enough to nominate ANY of the first 3 (and I doubt the 4th as well) for President. Gingrich just isn't a very likable guy and he does not do well in candid footage.
Ron Paul attracts a lot of sewer gas (maybe because gas like to follow a vacuum...?) and a lot of sewer rats. In this case his independent streak, and the public belief that he doesn't say things that he thinks that the public wants him to say, is gaining him some attention. It's apropos for these frustrated times. His admiring rats are just along for the ride and happy to be feeling the wind on their face at all of 3 MPH (for the first time in history!).
Paul is a well-deserved fringy. The only thing the GOP can learn from him is that living by principles can pay off. And even when it doesn't, it's at least honorable.
Paul's principles are primarily weird. IMO most of his followers' principles are downright noxious. But despite their 94 seconds of fame they do NOT define the party.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:15:35pm |
re: #296 Gus 802
I know. Yet we need to "drive the point home." Napolitano is bad news and should be rejected six times till Sunday. This guy has no record: zero. He was a hack instructor at Seton Hall and that's about it. He was a judge yet I can't find any records so I'm assuming he was a traffic court judge.
Napolitano is a loser. :)
He reminds me of Dick Morris. There's something 'coat-tailerish' about both of them.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:15:42pm |
re: #297 Idle Drifter
G'nite drifter!
Hey, where's Pi-guy gmsc? Isn't he usually here this time of night?
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:16:47pm |
re: #299 pink freud
He reminds me of
DickPenis Morris. There's something 'coat-tailerish' about both of them.
Fixed that for ya...
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:17:49pm |
re: #63 Charles
Well, perhaps we can take comfort in the old chestnut of "out of chaos comes order."
But that was Nietzsche, and he was popular with... Oh, bother.
Yep. We're doomed.
Charles, perhaps from the school of "history repeating" perhaps we should remind folks that the Nazis ( I have to double-check this) never had a true ruling majority in the German Reichstag--there were more than a dozen other parties. It was because others threw in their lot with the Nazis--i.e.; they were all aligned against the left/socialists/communists. This is what comes from aligning with the enemy of your enemy.
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pink freud Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:18:17pm |
re: #300 Fenway_Nation
G'nite drifter!
Hey, where's
Pi-guygmsc? Isn't he usually here this time of night?
My bet is pi guy is lurking, just watching for the dead thread to be posted, and then he will post something sumptious "first". :-)
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Gus Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:18:34pm |
re: #299 pink freud
He reminds me of Dick Morris. There's something 'coat-tailerish' about both of them.
Yes. If I can be so bold to say that Andrew P. Napolitano is a low life double talking lowlife asshole. Not unlike Dick Morris and UKIP.
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Dustyvet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:18:36pm |
If Ron Paul falls in a forest, his supporter(s) will claim it's because gravity is inherently unconstitutional.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:18:45pm |
Anyway, I was watching LOST tonight, and this part really freaked me out.
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Dustyvet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:20:41pm |
Some claim Ron Paul supporters spam online polls, the truth is they just all have the same I.P. address because... Hey! LOOK kittens!
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calcajun Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:20:56pm |
bbl
Time to walk with the wife.
Bad news-- late-80's mother in law fell and broke clavicle. In hospital. She has dementia already and is still recovering from hip replacement. I am afraid she's not long for the world. Prayer list, please.
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Catttt Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:20:57pm |
OT
playing with posters on my military/jets video. Man, it's at the top on google, so I'm getting some weird posts now. Sample:
音楽うるせー。あふぉなのか？
i was naked while I watched this video! X
This one even more clean than porn. Less evil.
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BLBfootballs Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:21:12pm |
re: #20 VegasRick
Vegas; dude. Please chill. You're being ludicrous. We can critique our own team without being headed towards.... I don't know, Nazism or something? I'm not even sure where you're analogy leads.
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Dustyvet Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:23:22pm |
FACT: Only one man throughout history has ever gotten more respect than Ron Paul. Rodney Dangerfield.
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Pietr Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:23:52pm |
LNDT thread is OPEN---------------------------->
Maybe gmsc will show now.........
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SixDegrees Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:27:50pm |
I have little doubt that the Democratic National Committee is actively contributing to any potential Ron Paul campaign.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:30:44pm |
re: #310 BLBfootballs
Too late. Take away lesson: don't equate the legitimate criticism a blogger voices to the actions of Nazi stormtroopers stealing dissidents away in the night. Especially on his OWN FUCKING BLOG!
Not shouting at you, BLB.
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SixDegrees Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:38:28pm |
And on an entirely different topic: Pollution Slows Global Warming.
That sporadic popping sound you hear is the sound of environitwit heads exploding across the landscape.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:40:09pm |
Moments ago..This was posted on Ace..I'm sorry Charles..But this is beyond the pale.
553 549 Afrocity is a n!gger Charles must like sand n!ggers too..
Ok then..I know Afrocity..Is there anything more hurtful thing you can say tonight? Thanks for that..You proved the whole war about why Ace should just kick some people out of the Tent tonight...That was the ugliest thing I've ever read about a sweet girl from Chicago..
Ace with all due respect..
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Mad Mullah Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:43:55pm |
Ron Paul supporters were really annoying during the last campaign, spamming their crap everywhere on all sorts of forums, polluting the entire internet with their nonsense and their fixing of polls. I also noticed that quite a few liberals (the blame the USA crowd and some truthers) also took a liking to Ron Paul, and so did some Nazis, whom Ron Paul gladly accepted donations from. I'm not even sure why he was running as a Republican, as he seemed to attract an equal amount of garbage from both sides, the left and the right.
The Ron Paul supporters reminded me a lot of Obama supporters, totally fanatical and caught up in some sort of silly euphoric high around their candidate. I would imagine that many of those supporters ended up voting for Obama after it was clear that Ron Paul was going nowhere. The most vocal of the supporters would qualify as bat shit insane in my opinion.
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Fierce Guppy Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:47:17pm |
I think that should Ron Paul begin talking about foreign policy, Fox News and Republicans will drop him fairly quickly. At the moment, his Constitutionalist stance and his knowledge of Austrian economics is being exploited by the "Right" to further broaden support against Obama's predatory government, and, of course, Paul is enjoying the publicity. Beyond Austrian economics and predatory government, he's weak in the head. I'd much rather see an Objectivist from academia get the platform that Ron Paul has been getting. It's only a dream. In reality, Fox News and most of the religious "Right" would refuse to look past the godless bit, anyway.
Tony.
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freedomplow Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:00:14am |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party? Good Question.
Not even close. And I knew you would ask that question.
Pakistan is on the brink of loosing their entire country and their nuclear arsenal to the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Isolationist Ron Paul doesn't fit into that scenario.
I know the media and Hillary Clinton have been pushing Ron Paul hard lately... Don't believe it.
The Taliban who protect Al Qaeda are 60 miles from Islamabad.
Isolationist Ron is over.
No place for isolationist kooks.
The war that everyone hoped was over just got real again.
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starshot Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:01:10am |
Is the GOP becoming the Ron Paul Party?
I highly doubt that the republicans will want to follow this moron.
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rawmuse Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:13:40am |
Maybe it's just me, but every Ron Paul follower I know are complete whack jobs.
I just don't see him going anywhere in the primaries, not with his record of well documented weird associations, gaffes, conspiracy BS, and (important) his advanced years.
Same thing to a lesser degree with Newt, who had his time.
The next GOP candidate has to be a young and successful business person, without religious baggage, and with a plan, not just a "no" voter.
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crosspatch Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:16:07am |
Well, there are some out there who bear watching. How Arizona governor Jan Brewer handles the current budget problems there is one thing I have my eye on.
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crosspatch Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:17:15am |
Ron Paul is who all the Lyndon LaRouche people went to.
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Jack Bauer's Evil Brother Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:46:13am |
The offensive post HoosierHoops refers to at post#320 was quickly deleted from Ace of Spades. What he doesn't tell you is that it was Afrocity herself that posted it. That's right, she actually called herself the n-word in order to try to make Ace of Spades look bad.
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FabioC. Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:47:10am |
Of course, if all high-horse Conservatives look at the Tea Parties and declare "Oh my, I will never mingle with such vile scum" and go back to their blogs...
those who still take the streets will be the only ones to have their voice heard.
In other words, the Paulians will control the Tea Party movement if no one else opposes them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:51:04am |
re: #330 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother
Proof?
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Jack Bauer's Evil Brother Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:11:33am |
Slumbering Behemoth, the comment was linked to her website, and it had the same IP hash she used on an earlier post. Apparently she thought no one would notice.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:18:37am |
re: #333 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother
Okay, but I mean "proof", not just "your word".
If what you say is true, I am sure Charles (and the rest of us who comment here) would like to know that someone registered here is pulling that kind of dishonest crap.
But an allegation like that must be accompanied by evidence.
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'Nam Grunt Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:23:25am |
re: #334 Slumbering Behemoth
I was posting on the overnight thread and I saw it on that thread too. Jack is telling the truth
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'Nam Grunt Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:26:56am |
However I can't say if it was Afrocity, Hoosier, or whoever but the post wasn't from anyone at AoS. ;-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:29:54am |
re: #335 'Nam Grunt
Okay, but that is still just a person's word, and not evidence. If any of this is true, it needs to be known. And as is the custom of Lizards, the claims must be verified with proof, not just "say so".
If y'all have any proof, I highly recommend you email what you have to Charles.
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A Balrog of Morgoth Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:01:53am |
re: #337 Slumbering Behemoth
Okay, but that is still just a person's word, and not evidence. If any of this is true, it needs to be known. And as is the custom of Lizards, the claims must be verified with proof, not just "say so".
If y'all have any proof, I highly recommend you email what you have to Charles.
Actually, it was probably a garden variety douchenozzle moby, probably one with little use for LGF or Ace of Spades. Even if it was some random LGFer, it certainly would not be Afrocity. I cannot vouch for her personally, but to self-identify as a racist while openly linking oneself to LGF (where she is apparently a member in good standing and presumably values that) would be so laughably stupid to be unfathomnable.
No, the problem here is the guy who pasted it here in the first place. At AoSHQ the comment in question was quickly denounced by other posters, and brought to the attention of the moderators, who deepsixed it. Over at AoSHQ, Hoosier persisted in being outrageously outraged despite the obviously moby nature of the comment, the fact that other posters called it out, the quick action by the mods, and our repeated attempts to make him understand what happened and why. That is not your problem over here, it is our problem over there.
Look, we are apparently going through a messy divorce of sorts, and I confess I am not a current member of your fan club, and I have not hestitated to say so when amongst my fellow Val-U-Rite swilling, hobo-hunting moron brethren. That said, I do not believe that any or you are racists, and I would hope you would continue to extend the same courtesy to myself and my fellow morons-in-arms.
Hoosier may want to walkback his post above, or perhaps one of you could look at the evidence and maybe walk it back for him.
Thank you
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:14:02am |
re: #338 A Balrog of Morgoth
I don't think you're getting my point. First, someone pointed out an ugly remark over at AoS. Second, another claimed that it was made by someone who is registered here.
My point is that if there is any truth to the second part, Charles needs to know about it. Regardless of any differences between blogs, I am sure he would not condone such dishonest, bullshit mobying on AoS by a Lizard.
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A Balrog of Morgoth Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:32:05am |
re: #339 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't think you're getting my point. First, someone pointed out an ugly remark over at AoS. Second, another claimed that it was made by someone who is registered here.
My point is that if there is any truth to the second part, Charles needs to know about it. Regardless of any differences between blogs, I am sure he would not condone such dishonest, bullshit mobying on AoS by a Lizard.
Actually, I am getting your point. The ugly remark was more than likely just some non-LGFer moby enjoying themselves in the midst of our little blog fight. The poster claiming it was Afrocity was more than likely taken in by a bit of sockpuppeting...Only the IP hashes assigned to each poster are static, and anybody could call themseves Afrocity and just as easily hotlink to her blog. So, unless the real Afrocity has lost her marbles or just does not give a damn anymore, I think it unlikely she actually visited AoSHQ tonight. I do not think there is any evidence to present, short of a confession from Afrocity or perhaps a comparison of IPs between our "Afrocity" and your Afrocity. Y'all over here can pursue that as far as you would like to. As long as we are clear that it was a moby who was dealt with, I have nothing furhter to add.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:37:41am |
re: #340 A Balrog of Morgoth
My bad. Obviously it was I who was not getting your point. Thanks for clarifying.
And you are correct, that moby at AoS was dealt with (many of the other ugly comments there are a different matter, though). As to the allegation made by Jack Bauer's Evil Brother, the truth will come out in the wash.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:38:53am |
Well- that was so very.... thoughtful of Ace moderators to delete that comment. It was pretty uncalled for, regardless of who made it.
Oh- and hope it wasn't too strenuous. Heaven knows what other lovely, classy folks will stop by Ace's in the future.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:41:32am |
re: #331 FabioC.
In other words, the Paulians will control the Tea Party movement if no one else opposes them.
Future tense?
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zeebeach Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:51:17am |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Which is fine. It's too early to speculate on nominees for 2012, imo. But I do think the bastards in the msm are trying to plant idiot seeds in our minds.
I agree, it seems likely the MSM wants people to believe Ron Paul is the face of the republican party. Well, I know A LOT of republicans, and none of them take Ron Paul at all seriously.
How about Sanford, Giuliani, Romney? All viable IMHO.
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zeebeach Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:04:13am |
re: #108 Last Mohican
I think you're right. I think maybe the Paulians mean this as kind of a stealth recruiting effort to re-brand Ron Paul as something other than a foaming-at-the-mouth, Nazi-friendly freak. First you bring a lot of people to the tea parties by proposing some reasonable ideas. Then you approach them with a pamphlet, and say "did you know that there's a candidate who believes in all the same things you do?"
Of course, for the MSM the tea parties are something else: they're an opportunity to discredit everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies by equating them all with whoever is holding the craziest Paulian sign at the protest.
Is it possible the west coast tea parties were different than the east coast? Honestly, I did not see a single Ron Paul rep at the tea party I attended, nor was I stealthily approached by someone handing out pamphlets about Ron Paul. I'd be tempted to call BS, except I know this site is not prone to disinformation typically.
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A Balrog of Morgoth Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:08:12am |
re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth
(many of the other ugly comments there are a different matter, though).
Well, odds are that some of those comments you find ugly are mine. So be it. It was good to be able to have this pleasant chat whilst under a flag of truce.
Just a quick observation before I ride back to the safety of my own lines: Ron Paul and (more importantly, since I think the man himself is merely a bit daft) his fringe followers are no more a significant percentage of the tea partygoers than they were a significant percentage of the GOP primary vote, despite all the noise they made.
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A Balrog of Morgoth Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:09:52am |
re: #342 Sharmuta
We have fond feelings and high regard for you too. :)
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freetoken Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:12:59am |
re: #346 A Balrog of Morgoth
So, what would you call a crowd of cheering 'nirthers?
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zeebeach Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:38am |
re: #167 Ringo the Gringo
Do you know what Republican I like?....Thaddeus McCotter.
Anyone else here know him?
What I've seen of him I like, too, though I don't know enough about him to say I would support him yet. He seems to have courage and conviction, so that's good (providing he's on the right, or rather correct side of issues).
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abolitionist Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:55:19am |
re: #96 So?
Thanks for the link. I've found only one recent mention of F-35 or F-22 around here related to the stolen terabytes, a sidelink:
Hackers Rob Pentagon of F-35 Fighter Design Data
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Danny Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:13:31am |
Dangit, I missed another fun banning good discussion thread. Oh well. My 2 cents...the GOP has been off the tracks for quite a while. Maybe it's best that it disintegrate so it has to be rebuilt. Unfortunately, that's going to take a long time.
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monkey den Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:27:45am |
As with all organic movements, it's tough to control the "message" since there is an eclectic mix of people involved early on. I'm all for the tea party idea. It is, however, something that could benefit conservatives in the long run or become a huge liability. So far, it appears that the latter is coming to fruition.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:31:04am |
I don't think most rank-and-file Republicans give a flip about Ron Paul!, but the leadership (especially Michael Steele) should be loudly repudiating and marginalizing him.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:31:42am |
So with anti-Semitism now mainstream and rampant in both the GOP and the Democratic parties, how will the Jews manage to continue to control the world?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:33:35am |
re: #353 monkey den
As with all organic movements, it's tough to control the "message" since there is an eclectic mix of people involved early on. I'm all for the tea party idea. It is, however, something that could benefit conservatives in the long run or become a huge liability. So far, it appears that the latter is coming to fruition.
I don't know that I agree with that. Yes, we know that the Paulians would like to steer the Tea Party movement their way, and yes, they organized some of them, but I think the majority of the organizers and participants are the sane types.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:37:07am |
Drive-by post regarding Ron Paul's bogus claims regarding secession:
Thanks to Sandefur for the citations!
Apart from the validity of his arguments, Paul is one of those unfortunates who don't grasp their intellectual limitations. From what little I've seen of him, I do believe he's sincere, but that sincerity is what makes him pathetic.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:51:36am |
re: #95 Thanos
Vegas Rick goes godwin the day after Holocaust Remembrance..... nice.
I have a theory about this, I suspect that some in the Republican party are letting the loud obnoxious loons step forward, and perhaps they are giving them a nudge with the intent of them self destructing prior to 2012. You know they will, they can't help themselves.
Would that were so, but it feels like an unplanned implosion.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:56:11am |
re: #196 jorline
In a nut shell.
*Rheumy is stumped about the RA...if it is RA.
*Rheumy is stumped by my weight loss...50 pounds in four months.
*Rheumy and Opthamologist are stumped about my scleritis.
*Rheumy left open the option of going to a special clinic in Dallas or Houston for further test.
*They're removing skin cancer from my scalp tomorrow morning.
*TB meds are continuing.Good news...I'm weening off prednisone, should be free within 30 days.
Prednisone, yuck. I hate that stuff. I was put on that for a rare auto immune disease. I took high does daily. I gained a lot of weight. I tapered off of it down to 10 mg every other day and lost a lot of weight. This may be a reason for your weight loss. I know I lost my weight rapidly.
I'm sorry about your health issues.
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funky chicken Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:19:50am |
re: #344 zeebeach
I agree, it seems likely the MSM wants people to believe Ron Paul is the face of the republican party. Well, I know A LOT of republicans, and none of them take Ron Paul at all seriously.
How about Sanford, Giuliani, Romney? All viable IMHO.
I like Sanford a lot. I also really like Cantor.
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FrogMarch Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:42am |
From Ron Paul dot com:
Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies.
If Ron Paul is the only "Republican" out there saying this - then yes, Ron Paul (who doesn't own that message) is going to be pushed to the front. Ron Paul doesn't own that message and if other more sane Republicans don't pick up the slack, wake up, and get off the social-con issues and start talking about what most Americans want to hear - "it's the economy, stupid"... then there is no hope. The void will be filled with something.
Also, I doubt most folks understand Paul's background.
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voluble Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:19am |
Sorry, Ron Paul doesn't scare me like Obama does. They are both idiots but one believes there are limits on government power and the other does not. That makes one of them much wiser than the other and much less of a threat. Obama thinks he was elected king and can determine everything from what medical treatments we are allowed to have, to how much executives should be paid, to which sources of energy we will be allowed to use. He is as dangerous an individual as has ever held power in the US and he is wholly ignorant of every principle on which the country was founded. Indeed he has contempt for most of them.
The problem is that in the face of this all out assault on the US economy and our liberties there are those amongst us who are worried about...Ron Paul. This is just flat out silly.
Why some people insist on trying to smear the movement to take back the government by creating conspiracy theories as to its provenance is something that is beyond the powers of any rational person to understand. Ron Paul no more runs the Tea Parties than Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright does the White House.
It is intellectually dishonest to choose the most repellent of the supporters for any movement and use them as an excuse not to support the movement. For instance, Ted Kennedy is as morally repugnant a person as you are likely to run across but if he came out for puppies it would not change my view of puppies. In fact I would support the cause even if he were the leader.
So I think the attacks on Ron Paul are just a distraction and a proxy for attacking the desire that a lot of us have to be free of the yoke of a government debt that will span generations and the smothering level of regulation and petty tyranny that we will be subjected to for the rest of our lives. The Right is indeed melting down but not for the reasons Charles thinks.
To prove my point, what do you think the screams of outrage would be like if Ron Paul were to propose conscripting armies of children to perform "community service" against their will or the desires of their parents? Do you think the words "fascism" or "Hitler Youth" would be used? And yet Obama commits exactly this outrage and there is not a peep on this blog or elsewhere in the blogosphere. He can propose a type of corporatism and nationalization of industry that is exactly the same as Hitler did and he can run up a debt reminiscent of the Weimar Republic and it seems to be a subject of no interest. We are too busy trying to pin the Neo-nazis label on each other to recognize that fascism has already descended upon us. This is why the Right is melting down.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:57am |
What we're seeing here is the result of a power vaccum. We're going through some growing pains. Some very painful ones. We'll just have to work it out.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:23am |
re: #293 freetoken
I just made the mistake of visiting and reading, for the first time, PrisonPlanet comments (on a particular matter of no import and no more screwy than any other story from Alex Jones.)
That an idiotic story can garner hundreds of even more idiotic comments proves that indeed there is a sucker born every minute.
Alex Jones and the whole "Truther" movement, "9/11 was an inside job nonsense" is some of the scariest/looniest stuff to me. I was reading some stuff on the Georgia Guidestones in Wired and read they were defaced. So I did a google search and found pictures(looks like Troofers spray painted them): [Link: www.congresscheck.com...]
I cringed when I saw "9/11 inside job" spray painted on one. This kind of thinking is becoming more and more widespread. I run into people that buy into this nonsense more and more. I think I'm just going to start giving them the blank WTF glare.
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Hhar Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:12:48am |
re: #362 voluble
Sorry, Ron Paul doesn't scare me like Obama does. They are both idiots but one believes there are limits on government power and the other does not. That makes one of them much wiser than the other and much less of a threat.
Sorry, but antisemites scare the shit out of me. Look at the lame ass reply: "I might have chosen a different graphic". Really? You might have? How reassuring that we maintain an open mind.
Obama thinks he was elected king and can determine everything from what medical treatments we are allowed to have, to how much executives should be paid, to which sources of energy we will be allowed to use. He is as dangerous an individual as has ever held power in the US and he is wholly ignorant of every principle on which the country was founded. Indeed he has contempt for most of them.The problem is that in the face of this all out assault on the US economy and our liberties there are those amongst us who are worried about...Ron Paul. This is just flat out silly.
The problem is that in all of this some people just don't see the problems with Judenhaas.
Why some people insist on trying to smear the movement to take back the government by creating conspiracy theories as to its provenance is something that is beyond the powers of any rational person to understand. Ron Paul no more runs the Tea Parties than Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright does the White House.
It isn't a smear if its a fact.
It is intellectually dishonest to choose the most repellent of the supporters for any movement and use them as an excuse not to support the movement. For instance, Ted Kennedy is as morally repugnant a person as you are likely to run across but if he came out for puppies it would not change my view of puppies. In fact I would support the cause even if he were the leader.
So its cool to give antisemites a platform. Hey, I understand: save yourself, screw the Jews.
So I think the attacks on Ron Paul are just a distraction and a proxy for attacking the desire that a lot of us have to be free of the yoke of a government debt that will span generations and the smothering level of regulation and petty tyranny that we will be subjected to for the rest of our lives. The Right is indeed melting down but not for the reasons Charles thinks.
Well, no, its just that when people panic they lose their principles.
To prove my point, what do you think the screams of outrage would be like if Ron Paul were to propose conscripting armies of children to perform "community service" against their will or the desires of their parents? Do you think the words "fascism" or "Hitler Youth" would be used?
Well, yeah. That's because Ron Paul is social reactionary. Conmbine that with his doocumented xenophobia, and add the authoritarianism you are suggesting, and that IS fascism. Obama is a collectivist and a tool, but that doesn't make him a fascist. Look it up.
And yet Obama commits exactly this outrage and there is not a peep on this blog or elsewhere in the blogosphere.
Yeah, I know. Hotair, smalldeadanimals, Ace of spades, they have been really soft on Obama. What are you smoking?
He can propose a type of corporatism and nationalization of industry that is exactly the same as Hitler did and he can run up a debt reminiscent of the Weimar Republic and it seems to be a subject of no interest. We are too busy trying to pin the Neo-nazis label on each other to recognize that fascism has already descended upon us. This is why the Right is melting down.
It is like a brain dead zombie that will not die...........
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:09am |
freedom watch on fox has it's own blog. The blogroll is nothing but a clearing house for ron paul and lew rockwell. Disgusting
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:23:03am |
re: #338 A Balrog of Morgoth
Actually, it was probably a garden variety douchenozzle moby, probably one with little use for LGF or Ace of Spades....
That said, I do not believe that any or you are racists, and I would hope you would continue to extend the same courtesy to myself and my fellow morons-in-arms.
I don't believe anyone has accused Ace, his site, or its regular commenters as racist. Ace has a much more "lenient" policy toward his commenters than Charles has toward his, and some of those reasons are historical more than personal (we once had a reputation of being a "hate site", because a slew of major bigots flocked here before Charles had the tech skillz to weed them out; Ace didn't attract nearly so many), but I have seen Ace ban racists off his site before. Cases in point would be the legendary Cedarford, and also RicPic.
Our issue with Ace's site is that he has opened up LGF threads for the purpose of funnelling commenter hate against LGF. And we take it personally because Ace's commenters have been slamming us, not just the host here.
I personally like Ace as a person, and I empathise with what he is trying to do with his site. He is trying to figure out how to provide a forum for propogation of the Right and opposition to the Left. Someone's gotta do it. Charles won't, because he's not on the Right. (He's more generally antiIdiotarian.) The thing is, ace.mu.nu as a site has a problem with LGF. How ace.mu.nu solves this problem, or even recognises this problem, isn't our call; we don't have coding privileges there. Ace has to make that call.
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SecondComing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:26:20am |
re: #366 Sharmuta
freedom watch on fox has it's own blog. The blogroll is nothing but a clearing house for ron paul and lew rockwell. Disgusting
I can see Ron Paul being on his show, his name is out there....somewhat. But Lew Rockwell, that's just ridiculous.(not that RP isn't, but Rockwell is way over the line).
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n2stox Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:48:44am |
I doubt Repubs are turning to Ron Paul.
Laura Ingraham had Newt on yesterday. that guy seems to have some good ideas on many things.
The fact it, like so many have already mentioned, is that the R's are currently leaderless. We're floundering. A few folks have taken shots at the main stage, but no one's gotten any traction. Perry makes a speech in Texas that gets news for a day, then is forgotten, etc.
It just so happens that Ron Paul followers are dedicated folks with strong convictions. It's just too bad their candidate is a disaster.
When the levelheaded conxervatives finally get their act together, and can unite arround a willing candidate, we'll be no match, but right now, there is no one for us. Romney? Gingrich? We'd love to have them at the forefront, but they have to be willing to take the wheel. They're not there, yet, but they will be.
100 days into a new administration is amateur hour for the opposition who thinks they want to be POTUS. We'd be better off focusing on a few governorships, a few house seats, and a senate seat or two, and begin to worry about 2012 this time next year.
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n2stox Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:47am |
re: #369 n2stox
Wow. Lots of typos there. Must get more caffeine.
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shane Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:41am |
I can't possibly be a socialist(democrat) and every day it gets harder to be a republican. Third parties aren't strong enough. Maybe I should run for president. Atheist, scientist, don't want the government involved in anything but defense, don't care if gays marry, don't think the government should be involved in decissions like abortion or teaching. It would be like a government that existed only to defend the country against enemies foreign and domestic but understood that the people and business ran everything else just fine without my meddling.
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zeebeach Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:57:08am |
#369
...."It just so happens that Ron Paul followers are dedicated folks with strong convictions. It's just too bad their candidate is a disaster."
I have found Ron Paul followers to be mostly college students. Now, obviously, they're being recruited by some disgusting entity. They remind me of the "moonies" in the '70s.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:59:03am |
re: #295 Macker
So what'd Colonel Panik get banned for?
The sum karma of a post is visible to all, and each contributor to that karma (up or down) has that one's name attached to it should any other LGF registrant click on the number. It's a "me-too" post internal to LGF.
And Panik has made some questionable calls prior to this. Wishing for her part (I assume it's "her") has been one of my up-dingers, but she's made some wretched choices of her own here.
(I'd rather take a periodic downding from funky chicken than any upding from someone willing to upding, say, racist jokes...)
I'm guessing that if a dingerberry like Panik has quasi-publicly announced its agreement with a "Charles is Hitler" implication, then Charles views that as bannable enough - because it's partly visible to the outside. It's a controversial policy; there's a lot of whining from the Legion Of The Banned that Charles bans dingers.
"So, why can't we have a completely private channel where lizards can vent their principled objections to Charles's policy in private?" you might ask. The first answer is, we sorta had that, in the Lounge; but then it filled up with creationists, fascists, and haters who had problems with the whole ethos of LGF. The second answer is, Charles has an email system, and there are lots of other sites which let people say what they want; so it's not like Charles can't hear the objections. It's just that he doesn't think these objections have merit.
So if you agree with the sentiment of a flounce-out, then what you should do is to carefully craft a response, sleep on it, decide if this is worth risking your account, decide if you even CARE that you're risking your account, and then send that mail to Charles. Don't reflexively hit a plus or minus at 1 AM.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:17:39am |
re: #338 A Balrog of Morgoth
Actually, it was probably a garden variety douchenozzle moby, probably one with little use for LGF or Ace of Spades. Even if it was some random LGFer, it certainly would not be Afrocity. I cannot vouch for her personally, but to self-identify as a racist while openly linking oneself to LGF (where she is apparently a member in good standing and presumably values that) would be so laughably stupid to be unfathomnable.
No, the problem here is the guy who pasted it here in the first place. At AoSHQ the comment in question was quickly denounced by other posters, and brought to the attention of the moderators, who deepsixed it. Over at AoSHQ, Hoosier persisted in being outrageously outraged despite the obviously moby nature of the comment, the fact that other posters called it out, the quick action by the mods, and our repeated attempts to make him understand what happened and why. That is not your problem over here, it is our problem over there.
Why would you be surprised that you attracted someone who would post something like that? There are thousands of comments about me over there from real Ace of Spades commenters that are just as ugly and hateful. Your attempt to excuse it rings extremely hollow.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:21:36am |
re: #346 A Balrog of Morgoth
Well, odds are that some of those comments you find ugly are mine. So be it. It was good to be able to have this pleasant chat whilst under a flag of truce.
Why would you think you would be welcome at my website then? Piss off.
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Noam Chumpski Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:28:45am |
I know a bunch of Paulians because of my work in support of 2A rights here in GA.
They hate Republicans ('cept for Paul) and really imagine themselves as a pseudo-third party in the making; using the Republican party as a stepping stool.
To continue to attach them to Republicans is a dis-service, but the media is happy to do it because it promotes their already-established presumption of who Republicans really are.
So we get stories that the tea parties are all about Paulians - yet at the same time we get stories that they were all about the FairTax'ers. I went to the Atlanta one and I am neither - I'm a conservative protesting against a too large Federal gov't the people around me weren't Paulians or FairTax'ers either, but...
Now that's it's all over, everyone wants to take the credit to promote their own agenda. You do that by getting in front of the cameras and, like it or not, Paulians are really good at getting in front of cameras and taking credit for stuff.
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Spartacus50 Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:28:56am |
re: #20 VegasRick
I nominate VegasRick as the stupidest and most cliched post of the year!
You forgot to throw in something like: "those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:58:09am |
I think most Republicans, nationwide, would respond to hearing Ron Paul's name with "oh, the kind of crazy guy?".
So I don't think he's going to overrun the GOP. But he sure is a thorn in its toe.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:01:23am |
re: #28 Athens Runaway
No Mitt Romney?
Also, isn't it a bit... early to be worrying about "front runners?" We're barely out of a presidential race, and we're freaking out about 2012?
I think Romney, running with a moderate woman with evangelical credentials, would be a powerhouse.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:02:26am |
I'm reinstating VegasRick's account, after he emailed and requested it, saying his comment was not intended to be a shot at me.
I hope I'm not making a mistake.
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American Sabra Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:16:56am |
re: #20 VegasRick
What makes this diatribe so ridiculous is that the original was written by a pastor, Martin Niemoller who was imprisoned by the Nazis for speaking out against them. In his famous poem in which he didn't speak up for such-and-such a group (communists, trade unionists and the Jews), they were all KILLED and indeed, the Nazis came for Niemoller, too, imprisoning him for 7 years in a concentration camp for speaking against Nazism.
No one is coming for Hannity, Colmes, Paul or the Creationists. None of them have suffered or are suffering like those who were killed by Hitler's Germany. What a insulting anology you picked. And all on the day after Holocaust Rememberance Day. Feh.
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
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rumcrook Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:44:18am |
re: #164 Zimriel
its obvious what the real agenda is for people like those behind the poster, if it were just foriegn aid in general why not just put that in generic terms?
why focus on the smallest and only jewish country in the world? how much do we give egypt? mexico? colombia? thiers only one reason thier real life focus is anti israel and the straw man is being against the soft socialist tyranny developing out of our present political reality.
vegas rick needs to consider that, when you get in to bed with people of dubious motives it will reflect on you and its a reflection I dont like and dont want attached to me as I appose the crazy left wing direction the ship of state is heading towards.
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Jack Bauer's Evil Brother Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:43:27pm |
I am willing to admit when I am wrong, and I certainly jumped the gun when I said last night that Afrocity used the n-word to refer to herself in a post at AOS which HoosierHoops cut and pasted here. We don't know that, and it may have been a sockpuppet using Afrocity's name. HoosierHoops was provoking us over at AOS last night and I allowed myself to be provoked, and I have to take responsibility for that. I apologize to Afrocity, Charles and everyone else here. I will now post an apology over at AOS.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:08:31pm |
re: #387 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother
I am willing to admit when I am wrong, and I certainly jumped the gun when I said last night that Afrocity used the n-word to refer to herself in a post at AOS which HoosierHoops cut and pasted here. We don't know that, and it may have been a sockpuppet using Afrocity's name. HoosierHoops was provoking us over at AOS last night and I allowed myself to be provoked, and I have to take responsibility for that. I apologize to Afrocity, Charles and everyone else here. I will now post an apology over at AOS.
It looks to me like nobody needed any "provoking" in that thread. There are thousands of ugly, hateful comments directed at me, including people wishing for me to die.
If that's the kind of site you feel comfortable at, I'm going to make it easier for you to spend more time there by taking away your LGF account.
No need to thank me.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:26:39pm |
re: #368 SecondComing
I can see Ron Paul being on his show, his name is out there....somewhat. But Lew Rockwell, that's just ridiculous.(not that RP isn't, but Rockwell is way over the line).
rockwell HAS been on the program. You can search for it either at the blog or at youtube.
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Jono Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:46:02pm |
Charles, lay off the Ron Paul derangement syndrome.
Seriously, this guilt by association thing is really tiring.
If I agree with 90% of his views, mainly relating to the powers of the Fed, the interpretation of the constitution and the spending habits of the government, and I ignore the 10% relating to foreign policy, then I don't see why he should be blacklisted.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:14pm |
Jono's been under the bridge for awhile!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:08:51pm |
re: #391 Zimriel
Jono's been under the bridge for awhile!
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