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The best mind-altering drug is the truth.

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1 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:19:39pm

Pi Guy, where are you!?

2 Macker  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:20:04pm

DELENDA EST...

3 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:21:05pm

Truth, not troof. Troof comes from other mind-altering drugs

4 Salem  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:21:11pm

Everything's better with a bag of weed!

5 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:23:23pm

re: #4 Salem

Everything's better with a bag of weed!

Unless you happen to run into a black and white, red and blue.

6 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:24:21pm

Analyze this:

Last night I dreamed that I met a woman who looked exactly like my deceased mother. I tried to buy her something to eat, but she refused what I wanted to give her, saying, "I don't eat that."

I asked, "What do you eat?"

She replied, "Ping pong balls. Three at a time. They're good for your colon."

(No, I do not do drugs, and I'm not on any medication.)

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:24:42pm

re: #4 Salem

Quite you!
/Stewie voice

In a city not that far from me, a court just ruled that local law enforcement had to give several pounds of weed back to an area man.

He doesn't consume it (according to the report), but is a medical distributor.

8 Macker  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:26:41pm

re: #6 capitalist piglet

O...K...

9 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:26:53pm

Carbon Motors E7: NYPD Cool

I happen to think this is a really cool cop car.

10 Salem  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:27:15pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll bet they weren't happy about that.

11 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:27:51pm

re: #6 capitalist piglet

Analyze this:

Last night I dreamed that I met a woman who looked exactly like my deceased mother. I tried to buy her something to eat, but she refused what I wanted to give her, saying, "I don't eat that."

I asked, "What do you eat?"

She replied, "Ping pong balls. Three at a time. They're good for your colon."

(No, I do not do drugs, and I'm not on any medication.)

Eat grapes. The red seedless ones.

12 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:28:23pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

Quite you!
/Stewie voice

In a city not that far from me, a court just ruled that local law enforcement had to give several pounds of weed back to an area man.

He doesn't consume it (according to the report), but is a medical distributor.

Those "Area Men" are always getting in trouble with the law...

//

13 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:29:46pm
14 Pietr  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:29:50pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

Quite you!
/Stewie voice

In a city not that far from me, a court just ruled that local law enforcement had to give several pounds of weed back to an area man.

He doesn't consume it (according to the report), but is a medical distributor.

Weed---Check this US Military Video, as they walk thru an Afghanistani WEED field...seems a few want to keep some...but it's a big field. Click on the vid when the page opens:

A'stan pot Field

15 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:30:58pm

I have to say that the recent Miss California hullabaloo has presented me with the gratuitous opportunity to bring up my dating a beauty pageant contestant.

*ahem*

When I was dating a beauty pageant contestant back in high school, I was informed she did fairly well until she got to the Q&A part, when the panel asked the tomboy-ish blonde who went plinking with her family up in the mountains with a .22 on the weekends what her opinion was on gun control.

I think her response was something along the lines of 'A firearm is an inanimate piece of metal and we would do well to reduce gun crimes by enforcing the gun laws already in the books'...

Out of 12 contestants, she finished 12th.

Even more ironically, she went to a public school that was maybe half a mile from the Christian school where Carrie Prejean attended.

16 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:31:03pm

re: #6 capitalist piglet

Analyze this:

Last night I dreamed that I met a woman who looked exactly like my deceased mother. I tried to buy her something to eat, but she refused what I wanted to give her, saying, "I don't eat that."

I asked, "What do you eat?"

She replied, "Ping pong balls. Three at a time. They're good for your colon."

(No, I do not do drugs, and I'm not on any medication.)

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:32:10pm

re: #10 Salem

Well, they didn't get into that part of the story, but I am willing to bet you're right. Tough shit for them.

18 Pietr  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:32:49pm

HEY LITTLE GIRL, WANT TO GO FOR A RIDE?


A Little 10-year-old girl was walking home, alone, from school one day, when a big man on a black motorcycle pulls up beside her.

After following along for a while, turns to her and asks, "Hey there little girl, do you want to go for a ride?"


"NO!" says the little girl as she keeps on walking.


The motorcyclist again pulls up beside her and asks, "Hey little girl, I will give you $10 if you hop on the back."


"NO!" says the little girl as she hurries down the street.


The motorcyclist pulls up beside the little girl again and says, "Okay kid, my last offer!


I'll give you 20 Bucks "and" a Big Bag of Candy if you will just hop on the back of my bike and we will go for a ride."

Finally, the little girl stops and turns towards him and Screams Out...

"Look Dad, You're the one who bought the Honda instead of a Harley, YOU RIDE IT!"

19 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:33:12pm

For the record, it's not often I get to start a sentence with 'When I was dating a beauty pageant contestant...' and we actually met a few month after the pageant.

She wasn't too bitter about the outcome since she entered as a lark, and my pet name for her was 'Miss Teen [insert city name here], 12th Runner-Up'...

20 meeshlr  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:34:22pm

So many people can't handle the truth.

Really. They just don't know what to do when confronted with the truth. It especially confounds school principals trying to promote "being green" at school.

Nothing like a bit of truth to stir up trouble (and a bit of fun!).

21 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:34:55pm

re: #16 Dustyvet

Practical Joke Win!

22 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:35:06pm

re: #19 Fenway_Nation

For the record, it's not often I get to start a sentence with 'When I was dating a beauty pageant contestant...' and we actually met a few month after the pageant.

She wasn't too bitter about the outcome since she entered as a lark, and my pet name for her was 'Miss Teen [insert city name here], 12th Runner-Up'...

I upding'ed ya just for the opening sentence. ;-)

23 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:37:18pm

A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.
The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very small.

The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.

Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it was physically impossible.

The little girl said, 'When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah'.

The teacher asked, 'What if Jonah went to hell?'

The little girl replied, 'Then you ask him'.

24 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:37:19pm

Yay! - New desk chair being delivered from Overstock tomorrow. I've been sitting on an ottoman.

FedEx guys hate Overstock. :D

25 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:37:44pm

re: #19 Fenway_Nation

For the record, it's not often I get to start a sentence with 'When I was dating a beauty pageant contestant...' and we actually met a few month after the pageant.

She wasn't too bitter about the outcome since she entered as a lark, and my pet name for her was 'Miss Teen [insert city name here], 12th Runner-Up'...

But what was her opinion on why US Americans don't know where places are on a map such as "The Iraq?"

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:38:00pm

re: #14 Pietr

Holy carp!

Given the amount of ridiculous hyperbole that erupts from prohibitionists whenever the subject comes up, how long before someone calls these soldiers lazy, corrupt, dangerous addicts?

I'm guessing :crickets:.

27 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:38:17pm

The children were lined up in the cafeteria of a Catholic elementary school for lunch. At the head of the table was a large pile of apples. The nun made a note, and posted on the apple tray: 'Take only ONE God is watching.'

Moving further along the lunch line, at the other end of the table was a large pile of chocolate chip cookies.

A child had written a note, 'Take all you want. God is watching the apples.'

nice eh..

28 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:39:04pm

re: #24 Cattt

Yay! - New desk chair being delivered from Overstock tomorrow. I've been sitting on an ottoman.
FedEx guys hate Overstock. :D

How'd you get him to agree to that?

29 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:40:18pm

Whoa, after skimming through the last thread, I am glad I don't have cable TV.
Ignorance, while not exactly bliss, is better than sticking your head in to a blender.

30 Pietr  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:40:46pm

Three Californian surgeons were playing golf together and discussing surgeries they had performed. One of them said, "I'm the best surgeon in California . In my favorite case, a concert pianist lost several fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8 months later he performed a private concert for the Queen of England ."

The second surgeon said, "That's nothing. A young man lost an arm and

both legs in an accident, I reattached them and two years later he won a gold medal in track and field events at the Olympics."


The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs. Several years ago

a woman was high on cocaine and marijuana and she rode a horse

head-on into a train traveling 80 miles an hour.

All I had left to work with was the woman's hair and the

horse's ass.

I was able to put them together and now

she's Speaker of the House."

31 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:41:20pm

I do very much enjoy the folks on the LNDT.
Thought I would share!

32 Pietr  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:42:27pm

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

I do very much enjoy the folks on the LNDT.
Thought I would share!

As we do you...LNDT'rs are loving peeps, heh heh.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:43:55pm

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

We like you too. That nekkid table dance you did the other night might have biased us, though.

34 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:45:09pm

Rules Of Washington

If it's worth fighting for, it's worth fighting dirty for.

Don't lie, cheat or steal...unnecessarily.

There is always one more son of a bitch than you counted on.

An honest answer can get you into a lot of trouble.

The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.

Chicken little only has to be right once.

"NO" is only an interim response.

You can't kill a bad idea.

If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you ever tried.

The truth is a variable.

A porcupine with his quills down in just another fat rodent.

You can agree with any concept or notional future option, in principle, but fight implementation every step of the way.

A promise is not a guarantee.

If you can't counter the argument, leave the meeting.

35 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:45:27pm

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

I do very much enjoy the folks on the LNDT.
Thought I would share!

Hi Floral Giraffe! Thanks for adding to my karma :-)

36 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:47:15pm

Oh...and while there's still some time remaining on the left coast, the greenies could celebrate Earth Day with a sincere 'thank you' for the diesel locomotive designers of the 1950s and onward for dynamic braking (friction from the locomotive while braking would be directed towards the batteries) which would serve as a sort of template for their beloved hybrid automobiles.

Oh...and a typical freight train...even when powered by the oldest, grimiest, smokiest, nasitest, loudest, dirtiest, beat-up 40 year old GP40s can remove anywhere from 100 to 300 trucks from the highways depending on whats being hauled. So take your revised emissions standards and cram them, greenies...

37 Catttt  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:47:17pm

re: #28 pink freud

How'd you get him to agree to that?

I'm not going to touch that straight line. :D

38 Pietr  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:49:29pm

Thought I'd post this-it's a Kitty vid link my cousin sent me. It's every bit as TRUE and good as anykitty link...

Kitty

39 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:53:02pm

This is something Reine sent me earlier ...

Astronaut Sunita Williams Pics Of Earth

Enlarge to full screen. Just breathtaking photos ...

40 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:55:13pm

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

Sir, you have mistaken me for another!
*funny*

41 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:55:29pm

re: #9 acwgusa

Carbon Motors E7: NYPD Cool

I happen to think this is a really cool cop car.

I agree. I think they've been pitching that car for a while, though. I seem to remember looking at photos of it a year or two ago.

If 0bama was smart he'd give out a few to PD's with Porkulus money... And some more cops to go with it.

We could use a few more in my area...

42 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:56:06pm

re: #35 pink freud

You deserve it!

43 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:57:30pm

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

You deserve it!

Thanks Floral, but *I'm* not the one doing nekkid table dances! LOL!

44 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:58:01pm

re: #39 pink freud

Fantastic! love the nightfall shots.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:59:03pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

Wait, you're right. It's all coming back to me now. I was the one doing the nekkid table dance, and as I recall, not a single damn one of you even so much as clapped! Way to hurt a guys feelings.

What? Y'all don't like my tentacles?

46 pink freud  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 11:59:40pm

re: #44 rawmuse

Fantastic! love the nightfall shots.

Isn't that wonderful! I had the pleasure of viewing it on a 24" monitor today at work. Wow!

/to imagine how she must've felt when taking those shots ...

47 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:00:25am

re: #39 pink freud

This is something Reine sent me earlier ...

Astronaut Sunita Williams Pics Of Earth

Enlarge to full screen. Just breathtaking photos ...

Not photos so much as graphics... 2, 3, 5, and 6 are genuine astronaut photos but the rest are composites of satellite imagery.

48 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:00:52am

Today in History, April 23rd:

1597 – William Shakespeare's The Merry Wives of Windsor is first performed, with Queen Elizabeth I of England in attendance.

1985 – Coca-Cola changes its formula and releases New Coke. (The response is overwhelmingly negative, and the original formula is back on the market in less than 3 months.)

1988 – Pink Floyd's album Dark Side of the Moon leaves the charts for its first time after spending a record of 741 consecutive weeks (over 14 years) on the Billboard 200.

49 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:01:15am

re: #1 pink freud

Pi Guy, where are you!?

I'm here! I literally just got home!

What's up?

50 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:02:18am

re: #46 pink freud

I viewed them on my 50" HDTV, which doubles as my monitor.

51 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:02:31am

re: #49 gmsc

I'm here! I literally just got home!

What's up?

Oh, nothing. We were all just wondering where you were!

Didja have fun? ;-)

52 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:02:53am

re: #43 pink freud

T'wasn't me, I assure you...

53 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:03:15am

re: #50 rawmuse

I viewed them on my 50" HDTV, which doubles as my monitor.

Very cool.

54 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:04:48am

re: #51 pink freud

Oh, nothing. We were all just wondering where you were!

Didja have fun? ;-)

I just got home from work, actually. But, it can be a fun job, and it was busy (bizarrely busy for the middle of the week).

Hmmm . . . I guess I did have fun.

It's nice to know I was missed.
:)

I'll even be here for fruitcup tonight!

55 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:05:00am

re: #48 gmsc

741 consecutive weeks! I did not know that ...wow!

56 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:05:26am

re: #49 gmsc


My nephew, 16 years old, is having a BLAST with some of the math links you have provided here. He has a lot of potential, and I thank you for opening some doors for his mind!

57 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:06:04am

re: #54 gmsc

Good, I will take this to mean that you have kicked your cold. I hope your Mom is doing better also.

58 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:06:14am

In all fairness, apparently the price of brand-spanking new, straight off the assembly line locomotives is coming down so much that even reigonal and short-haul railways like the Indiana Railroad, Montana Rail Link, Florida East Coast and Iowa Interstate can afford them. Normally they would lease or purchase outright locomotives like this secondhand once the 'Big 4' (CSX, Union Pacific, Burlington Northern-Santa Fe, Norfolk Southern) along with Canada's 'Big 2' (Canadian National, Canadian Pacific) when they ordered their brand-spanking new locomotives.

Ironically, sometimes the manufacturers are backlogged and can't deliver the new locomotives fast enough to the 'Big 4' or 'Big 2' and they wind up leasing the very same locomotives back that they sold to the reigonals/shortlines or leasing companies.

59 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:07:41am

re: #50 rawmuse

You bastard. Only because you have one and I don't.//

My DLP projector bulb fried and I don't know whether to drop $300 on a new one (I liked the 8' screen picture) or get a big LCD. Been making due with the 24" LCD TV and 21" monitor

60 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:07:54am

Anyone else here, see Lily Tomlin in the theater in NYC, do the
"soup, art.
art, soup"
sketch?

While showing a can of Campbells soup & a Warhol painting?

61 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:08:00am

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

You should come play some night when he is twisting our brains into pretzels with his brain-teasers. :-)

62 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:10:12am

re: #60 Floral Giraffe

Nope. I jes be uh ole cajun livin down to da swamps.

:-)

63 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:10:45am

I would LOVE to!
It just gets late & I get sleepy, on the left coast.
I DO make a point to read the LNDTs to see what I've missed!
Never stayed up for "fruitcup".
Just wrecks the next day for me!

64 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:11:52am

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

My nephew, 16 years old, is having a BLAST with some of the math links you have provided here. He has a lot of potential, and I thank you for opening some doors for his mind!

You're welcome!

I'm glad to hear they're being put to good use.

Last Sunday, I just posted links to a video series called 12 Things I Wish My Students Knew. It's all about 12 simple things for students to focus on that, if practiced conscientiously, will easily result in higher grades (often in the 90% range). You might want to pass that particular link on.

If he likes having fun with the math, check out my posts labeled Math and Martin Gardner – he'll find endless links just in those posts!

65 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:11:57am

re: #46 pink freud

/to imagine how she must've felt when taking those shots ...

Probably nothing, since she didn't take most of them.

Real astronaut photography of earth can be found here:

[Link: eol.jsc.nasa.gov...]

It's a little bit tough to search. Start by looking under "collections", or you can database search for all the photos taken by individual missions and then select "show thumbnails". If you spend some time here, it's a good source for wallpapers, especially if you have Photoshop to do some processing with.

An alternative is to go here:

[Link: www.spaceflight.nasa.gov...]

And select "Gallery" at the top, pick either shuttle or station, and then select the latest mission from the drop-down lists (currently STS-119 for Shuttle and Expedition 18 for ISS). You'll get a page of thumbnails which each have caption info and your choice of sizes to look at. When the shuttle is flying the current mission's page will update with new photos almost every day.

66 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:12:02am

re: #54 gmsc

Hey, Amigo. I posted this a # of threads back, didn't know if you caught it. Try this game-I've only gotten to game 4 on it, 190 thousand plus points. The instructions are crap; when you hear the hooting/wail from it, one or more of your columns is too high . If you don't shorten them fast, you lose, no matter how much time you have left-they don't tell you that, and it took me 20 full games to figure that out...HehHeh.

67 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:12:52am

re: #57 pink freud

Good, I will take this to mean that you have kicked your cold. I hope your Mom is doing better also.

Yep – I've been over it for about 3 days now. My mom is on the tail end of the same cold, and is starting to feel better, but she still has those nasty lingering parts I had to deal with.

68 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:12:57am

re: #63 Floral Giraffe

I would LOVE to!
It just gets late & I get sleepy, on the left coast.
I DO make a point to read the LNDTs to see what I've missed!
Never stayed up for "fruitcup".
Just wrecks the next day for me!

Well. Then you know there are *two* fruitcups ...the genyoowine pure-d original fruit cup, patented by LIttleOldLady, and the one made by the former-fruit-cup-interloper-but-now-much-loved Red.

If you have the Red version, you may never make it work, though.

/where is Red, anyway!?

69 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:13:15am

re: #62 pink freud

Enjoy some "mud puppies" for me!
Thanks for the dings!
( I think crawdads are called mudpuppies?)
I'm in LA, so not too sure about the name!

70 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:13:42am

re: #66 Pietr

Hey, Amigo. I posted this a # of threads back, didn't know if you caught it. Try this game-I've only gotten to game 4 on it, 190 thousand plus points. The instructions are crap; when you hear the hooting/wail from it, one or more of your columns is too high . If you don't shorten them fast, you lose, no matter how much time you have left-they don't tell you that, and it took me 20 full games to figure that out...HehHeh.

I've only seen this thread from today. Where's the link?

71 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:13:43am

re: #9 acwgusa

Carbon Motors E7: NYPD Cool

I happen to think this is a really cool cop car.

All that's missing is the hot model [barely] dressed as a cup playfully danging some handcuffs out in front of here while draped across the hood...

72 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:14:41am

re: #65 Pawn of the Oppressor

Oooh ...thanks, Pawn! Bookmarked for later ...I love this stuff!

73 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:14:59am

re: #71 Fenway_Nation

...dressed as a cop

PIMF

74 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:15:53am

re: #70 gmsc

I've only seen this thread from today. Where's the link?

Oops...


[Link: www.greatdaygames.com...]

75 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:16:27am

re: #64 gmsc

I am so happy to send that!
Learning is so good, and to be encouraged!
Thank you!

76 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:16:28am

re: #69 Floral Giraffe

Enjoy some "mud puppies" for me!
Thanks for the dings!
( I think crawdads are called mudpuppies?)
I'm in LA, so not too sure about the name!

Muwd buwgs. Crawdaddies!

77 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:17:07am

re: #62 pink freud

Like any "poor ol' country boy" you've gotten some poor bastard to give you his money and make him happy he did it.

Where in da' swamps is you? What Parish is you in?

78 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:18:14am

re: #71 Fenway_Nation

LOL. At first I thought you had a thing for Angela Landsbury and "Beauty & the Beast"///

79 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:18:47am

re: #76 pink freud

We have "sea bugs" Aka lobsters.
Tasty little devils!
YUM!

80 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:19:07am

re: #77 calcajun

Lafayette, cal ...smack dab in the heart of cajun country ...and loving every minute of it. I've got the swamp in mah blood!

/Crawfish Festival coming up!

81 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:19:26am

re: #78 calcajun


Uh...giggity giggity goo?

82 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:19:39am

But I only ever ate the tails...we used to throw 'em in the fire, when we reeled them in to check our bait. Big suckers, made you think there was a small fish on, LOL. But, I've had Gumbo in NO, so I probably did eat more than the tail, in my later years...:>))

83 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:20:00am

re: #80 pink freud

So how feasable is crawdad fishing with live grenades or TNT?

84 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:20:18am

re: #75 Floral Giraffe

I am so happy to send that!
Learning is so good, and to be encouraged!
Thank you!

You're welcome, again.

I've always found the best way to encouraging learning is to make it fun.

I remember I started reading Martin Gardner's books in 5th or 6th grade. I enjoyed the math aspects of them. I remember connecting something I'd learned from the books with some math we were learning in class.

When explaining my approach to the problem to the teacher, I guess I referred to the more technical aspects by their proper names and explained them a little too well, and she was stunned that such a young kid understood a topic she was teaching almost as well (possibly better?) than she did.

85 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:21:16am

re: #74 Pietr

Oops...

[Link: www.greatdaygames.com...]

Thanks!

I've got it bookmarked, and will be checking it out in a second, as soon as I finish up some e-mailing (which I'm doing while typing here).

86 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:21:54am

re: #83 Fenway_Nation

So how feasable is crawdad fishing with live grenades or TNT?

No no no. Someone's been lyin' to you, Fenway. You gotta get a string, tie a chicken gizzard on the end, lower it into a muddy bit of water, and when you feel the tug on the end you have to pull up real slow.

/takes a while to get enough for a gumbo, though ...

87 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:22:20am

re: #76 pink freud

Dem's good eatin'

My brother throws whole fists of garlic--split in two-- into his boil--and it's pretty tasty when it's cooked. He and I ate several one time when I was a teenager. This was in August, too. The next morning, my mom walks into my room and nearly gags at the smell. I had to wash the sheets twice and bomb the bed with Lysol to kill the garlic smell that had leeched through my pores.

88 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:22:33am

re: #64 gmsc

There is NOTHING more wotrhwhile, than educating the minds of the next generation. IMHO. Nothing.

89 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:23:55am

re: #71 Fenway_Nation

All that's missing is the hot model [barely] dressed as a cup playfully danging some handcuffs out in front of here while draped across the hood...

Oh a Badge Bunny eh?...:)

90 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:24:04am

Damn typos.
Damn!

91 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:24:07am

re: #81 Fenway_Nation

re: #80 pink freud

Envious--very envious. There's no place out here anymore to get crawfish--fresh. Can get frozen tails--but nothin to make a decent boil.

92 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:24:20am

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

There is NOTHING more wotrhwhile, than educating the minds of the next generation. IMHO. Nothing.

But, unfortunately, The LLL is (and has been) doing that to our kids and grandkids...

93 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:24:20am

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

There is NOTHING more wotrhwhile, than educating indoctronating and influencing the minds of the next generation. IMHO. Nothing.


-William Ayers.

OK...he's probably not on record as saying that, but...well...you get the idea.

94 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:24:53am

re: #87 calcajun

Hahaha! Ooooh ...that does sound good, though. It's getting on nigh time for me to have me one 'a dem crawfish boils, m'sef!

/they're down to $8 a pound, peeled tails. Not bad ...considering bread is up to 3.49 a loaf ...

95 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:25:17am

re: #93 Fenway_Nation

-William Ayers.

OK...he's probably not on record as saying that, but...well...you get the idea.

Read my 92, Fenway...GMTA.

96 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:25:20am

re: #86 pink freud

LOL.

Tell him about walking your crawfish before ya' boil 'em

97 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:25:59am

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

There is NOTHING more wotrhwhile, than educating the minds of the next generation. IMHO. Nothing.

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

Damn typos.
Damn!

It is sort of funny making typos when talking about the importance of education.
;)

Actually, it probably makes the message more effective!

Getting back to the basic idea, I agree highly.

98 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:26:34am

re: #89 Dustyvet


Me? No...just an admirer of the female form, especially when enhanced with costumes of varying dgrees of imagination...

99 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:27:23am

re: #94 pink freud

I have not had a good local loaf of French bread in a while. I saw my folks in Metairie recently and even went in to the Quarter to Central Grocery--but no Reising's Bread.

100 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:28:57am

re: #86 pink freud

No no no. Someone's been lyin' to you, Fenway. You gotta get a string, tie a chicken gizzard on the end, lower it into a muddy bit of water, and when you feel the tug on the end you have to pull up real slow.

/takes a while to get enough for a gumbo, though ...

He can cheat. He can use chicken. For the gumbo--not the bait.

101 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:29:13am

re: #96 calcajun

LOL.

Tell him about walking your crawfish before ya' boil 'em

Well, you see ...dem bugs is all chock fulla that crappola which ain't so good on da tongue, so a'fore you go to boilin's dem, you's gotta walk em through you salt water bat'h, make 'em poop all dat bad stuff outs.

// :-)

/ya''' didn't know I could talk pure Cajun, did ya'll?

102 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:29:14am

re: #97 gmsc

It is sort of funny making typos when talking about the importance of education.
;)

Actually, it probably makes the message more effective!

Getting back to the basic idea, I agree highly.

Got an Email, a week or so gone back, from my cousin. The message inside had all the words scrambled, but I read it easily. At the end, it exlpained how our minds correct each word in context, as long as the first and last letters were correct. It worked for me, so I'd agree...

103 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:30:54am

re: #99 calcajun

I have not had a good local loaf of French bread in a while. I saw my folks in Metairie recently and even went in to the Quarter to Central Grocery--but no Reising's Bread.

I haven't seen Reisings since I lived in New Orleans. Here, now, we've gotten all uptown, what with River Ranch and Whole Foods and upscale bread shops. Lafayette's not what it used to be ...

104 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:33:44am

re: #101 pink freud

Makes me remember my grandparents who had thick accents--lived in Port Allen and Plaquemines.

105 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:34:57am

re: #72 pink freud

Oooh ...thanks, Pawn! Bookmarked for later ...I love this stuff!

No problem.

Spend a bit of time with the astronaut photography link on the weekend. I did a quick search for the DFW area and within half a minute I found a nice photo of the whole area that showed everything from Dallas to Fort Worth, including the airport, Rt. 30, GP and most of Arlington, and with a bit of supplemental help from Google Maps I could even pinpoint my apartment complex. Of course from 200 miles up it was just a smudge of pixels on a 4000x2000 image, but still... "I can see my house from here!"

106 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:35:42am

re: #97 gmsc

Approaching the "iron fist rule" and not using PIMF = mistake!

107 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:35:43am

re: #103 pink freud

Sounds gentrified. Thank goodness Zuppardo's and Dorignac's are still going in NOLA.

108 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:37:27am

re: #102 Pietr

Got an Email, a week or so gone back, from my cousin. The message inside had all the words scrambled, but I read it easily. At the end, it exlpained how our minds correct each word in context, as long as the first and last letters were correct. It worked for me, so I'd agree...

You can do that with any message, as long as you keep the first and last letters the same. Here's an online page that will scramble words in this manner for you!

Just for fun, here's how your post comes out:

Got an Eaiml, a week or so gnoe bcak, form my couisn. The mgessae indise had all the wodrs srelcabmd, but I raed it elsaiy. At the end, it eapxielnd how our midns crecort ecah wrod in coexntt, as lnog as the frist and lsat letrets wree cercort. It wroked for me, so I’d agere…...

Speaking of education and e-mails, I always liked the one where rules of grammar and syntax are given in a manner that violates the rule itself:

• Make sure each pronoun agrees with their antecedent.
• Just between you and I, the case of pronoun is important.
• Watch out for irregular verbs which have crope into English.
• Verbs has to agree in number with their subjects.
• Don't use no double negatives.
• Being bad grammar, a writer should not use dangling modifiers.
• Join clauses good like a conjunction should.
• A writer must be not shift your point of view.
• About those sentence fragments.
• Don't use run-on sentences you got to punctuate them.
• In letters essays and reports use commas to separate items in series.
• Don't use commas, which are not necessary.
• Parenthetical words however should be enclosed in commas.
• Its important to use apostrophes right in everybodys writing.
• Don't abbrev.
• Check to see if you any words out.
• In the case of a report, check to see that jargonwise, it's A-OK.
• As far as incomplete constructions, they are wrong.
• About repetition, the repetition of a word might be real effective repetition - take, for instance the repetition of Abraham Lincoln.
• In my opinion, I think that an author when he is writing should definitely not get into the habit of making use of too many unnecessary words that he does not really need in order to put his message across.
• Use parallel construction not only to be concise but also clarify.
• It behooves us all to avoid archaic expressions.
• Mixed metaphors are a pain in the neck and ought to be weeded out.
• Consult the dictionery to avoid mispelings.
• To ignorantly split an infinitive is a practice to religiously avoid.
• Last but not least, lay off cliches.

109 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:37:49am

re: #99 calcajun

La Brea Bakery. We are spoiled!

110 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:38:13am

donuts and cops


111 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:38:30am

re: #104 calcajun

Makes me remember my grandparents who had thick accents--lived in Port Allen and Plaquemines.

It's the funniest thing, Cal. I was raised here and grew up sitting in the coffee shops with my daddy, *visitin'* ...listening to the old folks speak the patois. It's not quite English and not quite French. I had my children and became very aware of clear pronunciation ...I didn't want them to sound "uneducated". Now that they're grown, they can lapse into it just as I can, but for the most part none of us have much of an accent.

*However*, I can go sit in one of the old cafes and have coffee with the old folks and slip right back into like I've never learned any other way. And I love it.

112 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:38:43am

re: #108 gmsc

Funny. But, this is the sort of pedantry up with which I shall not put.

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:39:33am

Damn. The economy is so trashed, even mad scientists are resorting to drastic measures to make a buck.

/WTF?

114 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:40:25am

re: #107 calcajun

Sounds gentrified. Thank goodness Zuppardo's and Dorignac's are still going in NOLA.

I assume Schwegman's is history?

/I lived there MANY moons ago

115 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:40:39am

re: #111 pink freud

I know what you mean. Lot's of old friends have the infamous "yat" accent. Give me a beer and put me in them and I fall right back into it after more than 20 years.

116 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:41:55am

re: #114 pink freud

Died in the late 80's. Rouses' took over the Super Sav'a Centers which bought up Schwegs--as we used to call it.

117 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:42:27am

re: #115 calcajun

I know what you mean. Lot's of old friends have the infamous "yat" accent. Give me a beer and put me in them and I fall right back into it after more than 20 years.

And *that's* ...because you have the swamp in your blood! ;-)

118 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:42:47am

YAWN.

Gotta get to bed. Nite y'all.

119 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:43:29am

re: #108 gmsc

My sister home schools the youngest.
I send your posts with the title "math genius" and she reads them.
And shares with the kids.

For this, I thank you!
Again!

120 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:43:39am

re: #116 calcajun

Died in the late 80's. Rouses' took over the Super Sav'a Centers which bought up Schwegs--as we used to call it.

Rouses' just opened a mega-store, here, in Youngsville. It's the fastest growing place in the state. Booming.

121 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:43:56am

re: #117 pink freud

I know. Went for a visit in September 07-- still damn hot. Didn't mind a bit.

122 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:44:13am

re: #118 calcajun

Nite Cal. Prayers for your mother in law.

123 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:44:14am

aim was horrible, or they knew who would then... take office!


I sat, as did millions of other

Americans, and watched as
their government underwent
a peaceful transition of power
a couple of weeks past.
At first, I felt a pride and patriotism as I watched Barack Obama take his Oath of office. However, all that pride quickly vanished as I later watched 21 Marines, in full dress uniform with rifles; fire a 21-gun salute to the President. It was then, in horror, that I realized how far America 's Military had deteriorated. Every last one of them missed.

124 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:45:01am

re: #112 calcajun

Funny. But, this is the sort of pedantry up with which I shall not put.

Man visiting Harvard: "Can you tell me where the bathroom's at?"
Harvard student: "I'm sorry, at Harvard we do not end sentences with prepositions."
Man: "Oh, I'm sorry. Can you tell me where the bathroom's at, asshole?"

---

A boy who didn't want his bedtime story to be from a book about Australia once asked his mother, "What did you bring that book, which I didn't want to be read to from out of, about down under, up for?"

125 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:45:06am

re: #120 pink freud

But the local foods are going. I saw where Crystal Foods is no longer in NOLA. Is Blue Plate mayo still around?

126 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:45:40am

re: #125 calcajun

Yes. I'll send you some if you'd like.

127 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:45:41am

re: #123 Pietr

aim was horrible, or they knew who would then... take office!

I sat, as did millions of other

Americans, and watched as
their government underwent
a peaceful transition of power
a couple of weeks past.
At first, I felt a pride and patriotism as I watched Barack Obama take his Oath of office. However, all that pride quickly vanished as I later watched 21 Marines, in full dress uniform with rifles; fire a 21-gun salute to the President. It was then, in horror, that I realized how far America 's Military had deteriorated. Every last one of them missed.

Whoa...:)

128 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:45:55am

re: #122 pink freud

Thanks. Later.

129 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:48:25am

A little boy goes to his father and asks 'Daddy, how was I born?'

The father answers, 'Well, son, I guess one day you will need to find out anyway! Your Mom and I first got together in a chat room on Yahoo. Then I set up a date via e-mail with your Mom and we met at a cyber-cafe. We sneaked into a secluded room, where your mother agreed to a download from my hard drive. As soon as I was ready to upload, we discovered that neither one of us had used a firewall, and since it was too late to hit the delete button, nine months later a little Pop-Up appeared that said:

'You got Male!'

130 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:50:38am

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Damn. The economy is so trashed, even mad scientists are resorting to drastic measures to make a buck.

/WTF?

You think that's demented?

How about taking an Atari 800XL, a Texas Instruments TI-99/4a, an 8-inch Floppy Disk, a 3.5-inch Harddrive and an HP ScanJet 3C, and programming them in such a way that their sounds perfectly recreate Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen?

(I can simultaneously geek out and rock out!)

131 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:52:13am

re: #118 calcajun

YAWN.

Gotta get to bed. Nite y'all.

G'nite, calcajun!

133 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:54:40am

Combat Dancing In Baghdad, Iraq


134 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:55:41am

re: #119 Floral Giraffe

My sister home schools the youngest.
I send your posts with the title "math genius" and she reads them.
And shares with the kids.

For this, I thank you!
Again!

*EMBARASSED*
//

Seriously, I love hearing things like this, and knowing I'm doing some good for future generations.
:)

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:55:56am

re: #130 gmsc

Yeah, but have you seen it done by sock puppets?

136 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 12:59:15am

re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, but have you seen it done by sock puppets?

Not bad!
;)

Although, you have to admire the guts man who can stare such a classic in the face and say, "Why a Bohemian Rhapsody? Why not a Bohemian Polka?"

137 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:00:23am

OK...time for a very special Sweep the Canadiens, sweep the Twin bill with the Twins, Boston Bruins/Boston Red Sox simply-kick-ass-edition-and-don't-you-forget-it version of Fenway's Nightly Precious Metals and Overseas Market Update:

Precious metals:

Gold- $891.70 an ounce (up 0.11%)
Silver- $12.39 an ounce (up 0.56%)
Palladium- $229 an ounce (down 0.87%)
Platinum- $1163 an ounce (down 0.51%)

Overseas Market Update:

Australia's All Ordinaries- up 1.89%
Hang Seng- up 1.97%
Singapore's Straits Times- up 0.56%
Tel Aviv's TA100- up 0.65%
Mumbai's SENSEX- up 1.05%
Taiwan Weighted- down 0.18%
Johannesburg's JSE Limited- up 0.74%
Shanghai Composite- up 0.11%
Nikkei- up 1.37%
New Zealand's NZSE50- down 0.15%
KOSPI Seoul Composite- up 0.94%

Now just the Muslim countries!

Dubai's ADX- down 0.23%
JKSE Jakarta Composite- down 1.21%
Amman's ASE Weighted- down 0.16%

/Still waiting on those updates, Cairo and Kuala Lumpur...

But the most important thing to take away from all of this is that the Bruins and Red Sox simply and unambiguously kick ass...Here's hoping the Celts can follow suit.

138 Spiritualized  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:02:27am

Pakistan is done:

Clinton says Pakistan is abdicating to the Taliban

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pakistan's government has abdicated to the Taliban in agreeing to impose Islamic law in the Swat valley and the country now poses a "mortal threat" to the world, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday.

Surging violence across Pakistan and the spread of Taliban influence through its northwest are reviving concerns about the stability of the nuclear-armed country, an important U.S. ally vital to efforts to stabilize neighboring Afghanistan.

"An important U.S. ally" - Of course they are, I'm wondering if the Taliban taking over negates the use of that phrase?

Probably not in this era of hopey-change.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:04:39am

Personally I've no dog in this fight, but this is a curious claim that shouldn't just float there without being proven or disproven.

140 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:08:20am

The US has succeeded in building a computer able to solve any strategic or tactical problem. Military leaders are assembled in front of the new machine and instructed to feed a difficult tactical problem into it. They describe a hypothetical situation to the computer and then ask the pivotal question: ATTACK OR RETREAT?

The computer hums away for an hour and then comes up with the answer: YES.

The generals look at each other, somewhat stupefied. Finally one of them submits a second request to the computer: YES WHAT?

Instantly the computer responded: YES SIR.

141 crosspatch  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:09:31am

re: #138 Spiritualized

Pakistan has been done for a long time. The world is just sitting around now waiting for us to get tired of the game. Not that anyone would lift a finger to help us, mind you, but I don't think they would be sad to see Pakistan undergo "regime change".

142 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:13:38am

re: #6 capitalist piglet

Analyze this:

Last night I dreamed that I met a woman who looked exactly like my deceased mother. I tried to buy her something to eat, but she refused what I wanted to give her, saying, "I don't eat that."

I asked, "What do you eat?"

She replied, "Ping pong balls. Three at a time. They're good for your colon."

(No, I do not do drugs, and I'm not on any medication.)

Strange- but here's my advice: you are the only one who can make sense of that dream. In a few days, it might come to you, if you keep an open mind about it, but mot dreams I've had along those lines don't make sense until a little later.

143 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:14:40am

re: #139 Slumbering Behemoth

Personally I've no dog in this fight, but this is a curious claim that shouldn't just float there without being proven or disproven.

If it's been removed then there is no way of proving or disproving.

I think its was wholly improper to bring that crap on over here to begin with. Hoosier's post, I mean ...to bring it from Ace's to here. What's the point?

This poster has played a wicked little blog game like I've not seen here from any other. Now LGF seems to be her portal through which she can lure others to her own sick blog.

There's something way off about this poster. This has been evident to anyone who reads frequently and can see the twists and turns, the constant drama, the everything-is-about-me and the constant racist undertones. In light of that -- without needing proof -- I find it plausible that this is something she would do. It's about the drama and it's racist. It fits, and it's sick.

144 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:15:33am

I cannot emphasise enough how awesome it is to be a Boston fan at this point in time.

I distinctly remember how awful the year 2000 was for all things Pats, Celts, Sox or Bruins. Do you know what the highlight was? Trading Ray Bourque to the Colorado Avalanche very near the end of his career so that he could get his name etched on the Stanley Cup there, since there was no way in hell it was going to happen in Boston.

145 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:20:03am

re: #39 pink freud

This is something Reine sent me earlier ...

Astronaut Sunita Williams Pics Of Earth

Enlarge to full screen. Just breathtaking photos ...


just amazing! thanks for sharing

146 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:20:16am

Wow- I have not been paying enough attention.

147 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:21:28am

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

I cannot emphasise enough how awesome it is to be a Boston fan at this point in time.

I distinctly remember how awful the year 2000 was for all things Pats, Celts, Sox or Bruins. Do you know what the highlight was? Trading Ray Bourque to the Colorado Avalanche very near the end of his career so that he could get his name etched on the Stanley Cup there, since there was no way in hell it was going to happen in Boston.


congrats to the B's on sweeping the hated "Les Habitants" tonight. Now we need the Celtics to come through tomorrow night against the Bulls in Chitown.

148 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:21:46am

re: #6 capitalist piglet

Analyze this:

Last night I dreamed that I met a woman who looked exactly like my deceased mother. I tried to buy her something to eat, but she refused what I wanted to give her, saying, "I don't eat that."

I asked, "What do you eat?"

She replied, "Ping pong balls. Three at a time. They're good for your colon."

(No, I do not do drugs, and I'm not on any medication.)

Before you actually try using ping pong balls to clean out your colon, you might want to ask someone who knows for sure, such as Francisco Tebar Honrubia:

149 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:22:08am

Well-Hawaii finally got this right, at least:

Couple married over 60 yrs-reunited

150 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:24:50am

re: #146 Sharmuta

I have, Sharm ...and it's bothered me for quite a while.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:26:18am

re: #143 pink freud

I've noticed you and others have expressed concerns, but I have not followed that one's posts well enough to say for sure.

If there is something to this, proof does need to be shown, Charles needs to know, and so do the rest of the Lizards.

If I recall, Afrocity invited Lizards to join a FaceBook group she started, and to the best of my knowledge FB registration requires meat-world identification.

If my assumption about FaceBook is true, and if others suspicions/claims about Afrocity are true, Lizards need to know this. And as is the nature of Lizards, they need to see proof.

152 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:29:37am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

I practice safe internet.

153 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:32:42am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Charles has already mentioned it, and I trust his instincts. I still haven't been paying enough attention.

154 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:33:09am

re: #147 _RememberTonyC

congrats to the B's on sweeping the hated "Les Habitants" tonight. Now we need the Celtics to come through tomorrow night against the Bulls in Chitown.

I sincerely hope 0bama get to take some time off from pile-driving the country into the ground the office to take in a Bulls/Celts game...and oh yes, I hope it's such a horrific beatdown that generations of Chicago fans shall hang their heads in shame when that game is alluded to decades from now.

I'm not sure who's a bigger punk- Mike Komisarek or Joaquim Noah

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:33:09am

re: #152 freetoken

As do I Freetoken. If you were to google my meat-world name, the only links you would find are to a physicist of some note.

As should be evident by now, I am not anything remotely near a physicist.

156 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:33:12am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

I've noticed you and others have expressed concerns, but I have not followed that one's posts well enough to say for sure.

If there is something to this, proof does need to be shown, Charles needs to know, and so do the rest of the Lizards.

If I recall, Afrocity invited Lizards to join a FaceBook group she started, and to the best of my knowledge FB registration requires meat-world identification.

If my assumption about FaceBook is true, and if others suspicions/claims about Afrocity are true, Lizards need to know this. And as is the nature of Lizards, they need to see proof.


I'm not here as much as many others, but Afrocity always did stand out. One time I recall her asking a question that went something like "what do you all think of minorities?" Some were taken aback and answered that they judge people on their character rather than their ethnicity. Nobody answered in anything resembling racist words. Some defended Afrocity saying she worded her question awkwardly, but meant nothing offensive. But it always kind of rubbed me the wrong way and I did not forget it.

157 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:35:14am

All I know is trying to play games with this joint it's a pretty safe bet the house will win.

158 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:35:21am

re: #154 Fenway_Nation

I sincerely hope 0bama get to take some time off from pile-driving the country into the ground the office to take in a Bulls/Celts game...and oh yes, I hope it's such a horrific beatdown that generations of Chicago fans shall hang their heads in shame when that game is alluded to decades from now.

I'm not sure who's a bigger punk- Mike Komisarek or Joaquim Noah


I can't believe you called Noah a punk! I used that exact word to describe him to my friends, co-workers, and 16 year old son. I wish I could upding you 10 times for that one. Bostonians can always tell a punk when they see one. Although I wonder why people from Boston keep VOTING for them :)

159 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:35:26am

re: #156 _RememberTonyC

One of the first posts: "Everyone on here is white except for me"

I wasn't sure I'd actually read that correctly when I saw it. Race is used divisively by her, of this there is no doubt.

160 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:38:18am

Here's a challenge! The answer, by the way, will be provided after fruitcup.

Imagine you have an array of 1 million light bulbs, all of which are off to start with. The light bulbs are numbered from 1 to 1,000,000.

Starting with light #1, you change the status of every bulb (When I say "change the status", that will refer to switching a bulb either from off to on, or from on to off). Since they all started off, they are all obviously now all on.

Next, starting with light #2, you're going to change the status of every 2nd bulb. As you can probably imagine, the odd numbered lights are all on, and the even numbered lights are all off.

You continue in this manner, starting with light #3, and then switching the status of every 3rd bulb, then starting with light #4 and switching the status of every 4th bulb, and so on. You only stop after you start with bulb #1,000,000, and switch the status of every millionth bulb (obviously, just the one bulb).

Assuming that none of the bulbs burn out, once you've performed this exercise, which light bulbs will be on, and which light bulbs will be off?

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:39:38am

re: #153 Sharmuta

Charles has already mentioned it, and I trust his instincts. I still haven't been paying enough attention.

Nor have I. I do believe Pink F. was the first to voice suspicion, though.

I am not gonna call for a pitchfork and torch witch hunt, but certain allegations have been made that should either be proven or disproven, with evidence.

If those allegations turn out to be true, then a great many Lizards have been skillfully played for fools by a dishonest infiltrator looking to cultivate trust for some personally objective.

162 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:39:43am

re: #159 pink freud

One of the first posts: "Everyone on here is white except for me"

I wasn't sure I'd actually read that correctly when I saw it. Race is used divisively by her, of this there is no doubt.

"Everyone?" That seems like stereotyping to me!

163 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:39:52am

re: #157 Sharmuta

All I know is trying to play games with this joint it's a pretty safe bet the house will win.

I'm pretty sure I've heard that somewhere before (and since I live in Vegas . . .).
;)

164 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:40:06am

re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth

My "meat-world" name is unique enough that a google search will indeed find information that will lead to me and some work I've done.

Whereas on the internet I go by many names...

/ but I don't sock-puppet!

165 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:41:00am

re: #163 gmsc

I'm pretty sure I've heard that somewhere before (and since I live in Vegas . . .).
;)

I would never bet against Stinky.

166 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:41:08am

re: #160 gmsc

sounds like a prime number algorithm...

167 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:41:35am

OK ... it's 4:40am in beautiful Connecticut ... time to hit the hay ...

G'Night all!

168 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:42:38am

re: #158 _RememberTonyC

re: #167 _RememberTonyC


'nite _RememberTonyC!

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:42:58am

re: #157 Sharmuta

All I know is trying to play games with this joint it's a pretty safe bet the house will win.

In this case, I am not worried about Charles or his blog, but individual Lizards who might have been duped into revealing personal information.

170 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:43:08am

re: #161 Slumbering Behemoth

Nor have I. I do believe Pink F. was the first to voice suspicion, though.

I am not gonna call for a pitchfork and torch witch hunt, but certain allegations have been made that should either be proven or disproven, with evidence.

If those allegations turn out to be true, then a great many Lizards have been skillfully played for fools by a dishonest infiltrator looking to cultivate trust for some personally objective.

That is the conclusion I reached about three-four weeks after she registered. The ensuing months have only confirmed this for me.

171 Gitarzan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:43:38am

re: #165 Sharmuta

I would never bet against Stinky.

To paraphrase Wesley Snipes from Passenger 57, "Always bet on Stinky!"

/

172 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:45:34am

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

In this case, I am not worried about Charles or his blog, but individual Lizards who might have been duped into revealing personal information.

This is exactly why I don't do facebook or or the like. I mean- I love you guys, but... I have to look out for me. Nothing personal.

173 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:46:58am

re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth

As do I Freetoken. If you were to google my meat-world name, the only links you would find are to a physicist of some note.

As should be evident by now, I am not anything remotely near a physicist.

During my first year of college, I was woken up in the middle of the night by someone claiming to represent the Nobel Prize committee, and they were telling me that I had been selected as that year's winner for one of their Nobel Prize divisions.

I was tired, and figured this was exactly the type of gag some of my geekier college buddies would try and pull. At the time, I hung up in the middle of the call, and figured I'd ask my buddies about it the next day. Being a middle-of-the-night thing, though, it didn't cross my mind again until about 3 days later.

What caught my attention is a news story mentioning that someone who lived in the same area as me, and who had the same first and last name as me (different middle initial, though), had been selected as a Nobel Prize winner!

Towards the middle of the story, there was even a side note about the Nobel Prize committee calling the wrong person (which would be me) at first!

I was shocked as hell that I'd actually received a call from halfway around the world from the real Nobel Prize committee!

I may be good in math, but I am not anything remotely near a physicist.

Side note: There's no Nobel Prize for mathematics. The standard legend is that Alfred Nobel's wife once cheated on him with a mathematician, so he has since forbidden any Nobel Prize to be created for mathematics.

174 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:49:45am

re: #166 freetoken

sounds like a prime number algorithm...

Nope. I will say that all the bulbs with prime numbers will wind up in the off position, but there are many non-prime-numbered bulbs that will also be off.

BTW, if you do find an algorithm that is able to determine every prime number and misses every non-prime number, there is an award of several million dollars waiting for you.

175 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:54:05am

re: #172 Sharmuta

My sister has a facebook account and in trying to convince me to sign up said 'I've already heard from two of your ex-girlfriends in high school- they were asking about you.'

I told her no thanks for reasons that may not be so obvious to everyone...

176 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:55:25am

Classic e-mail urban legend turned into a TV ad:

177 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:56:51am

I must seek the arms of Morpheus (or have Keyboard imprints on my forehead, when I awaken). No fruitcup for me tonight...L8rs, Lizard Nation.

178 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:57:25am

re: #177 Pietr

*sniff*

179 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:57:32am

re: #177 Pietr

I must seek the arms of Morpheus (or have Keyboard imprints on my forehead, when I awaken). No fruitcup for me tonight...L8rs, Lizard Nation.

G'Nite, Pietr!

(Pietr was so close, too!)

180 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:57:35am

re: #174 gmsc

Yup, went back and read it again. At first it reminded me of a common algorithm for finding primes (by going through an array and marking all the non-primes.)

181 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 1:58:33am

G'nite Pietr!

182 Opilio  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:00:13am

re: #160 gmsc

Assuming that none of the bulbs burn out, once you've performed this exercise, which light bulbs will be on, and which light bulbs will be off?

The lights representing the perfect squares (1, 4, 9, 16...) will be illuminated. The rest will be dark.

183 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:00:19am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

184 BatGuano  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:00:59am

Thank you, littleoldlady!

185 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:01:22am

re: #183 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy!

Yep - I'm back and here for fruitcup!

186 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:01:25am

re: #183 littleoldlady

Goodmorning goodmorning GOODMORNING!

187 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:02:05am

re: #182 Opilio

The lights representing the perfect squares (1, 4, 9, 16...) will be illuminated. The rest will be dark.

Correct!

Had you heard this one before, or did you figure it out yourself?

188 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:02:49am

BatGuano! :-)

gmsc! :-)

pink! ;-)

189 Opilio  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:02:55am

re: #187 gmsc

Correct!

Had you heard this one before, or did you figure it out yourself?

Did some 2 A.M. figgerin'

190 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:03:39am

Thank you littleoldlady.

191 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:03:56am

Boy, we have some smart people here!

I was going to say NONE of the bulbs are lit.

/don't worry about me; I'll sit in the dark... ;-)

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:04:07am

re: #170 pink freud

One way or the other, the truth will come out in the wash. That reasonable Lizards have raised some concerns is something of an alarm call.


re: #172 Sharmuta

What do we need FaceBook for when we can rendezvous here? ;)

Facebook, Myspace, and the like are great tools to enhance your resume, though. It is a guarantee that nearly any job you apply for in this age, your potential employer is going to do a web search on you. Knowing this, you can exploit such free services to your great advantage.

However, if I was using such a service in this way, I would never share that information in an anonymous forum such as this.

/The Tao of Zombie, do not let one identity mix with another

193 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:04:16am

re: #183 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!


*whew!* Made it!

194 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:04:17am

Sharmuta! :-)

195 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:05:02am

Fenway! :-)

196 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:05:07am

re: #191 littleoldlady

/don't worry about me; I'll sit in the dark... ;-)

Cursing the darkness instead of lighting a candle?

197 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:05:22am

re: #188 littleoldlady

Be careful ...this gets stuck in your head and you're done fer!

198 Opilio  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:05:25am

re: #187 gmsc

Correct!

Had you heard this one before, or did you figure it out yourself?

Took a brute force approach: Did it by hand with 20 bits (lights) and recognized the pattern that was forming.

199 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:06:14am

re: #195 littleoldlady


Littleoldlady!

How about those Bruins!?

200 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:06:24am

re: #191 littleoldlady

Boy, we have some smart people here!

I was going to say NONE of the bulbs are lit.

/don't worry about me; I'll sit in the dark... ;-)

Scoot over. I have fresh strawberries. They'll never find us.

201 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:08:44am

re: #197 pink freud

GIMME A GUN!

/did you see the one who walked into a light pole?
//...that was me ;-)

202 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:08:44am

re: #182 Opilio

The lights representing the perfect squares (1, 4, 9, 16...) will be illuminated. The rest will be dark.

re: #187 gmsc

Correct!

Had you heard this one before, or did you figure it out yourself?

For those who don't understand why this is correct, consider this:

1) If a bulb starts off, and is switched on and off any even number of times, it will be off. If a bulb starts off, and is switched on and off any odd number of times, it will be on.

2) Bulbs are switched once for each of their factors. For example, the factors of 15 are 1, 3, 5 and 15, so the only time the #15 bulb will be switched is during the runs for bulbs 1, 3, 5 and 15. Since 15 has 4 factors, it will be switched on and off 4 times (an even number of times), and will therefore be off.

3) The only numbers that will be on, then, are obviously those with an odd number of factors. The only numbers with an odd number of factors are square number. For example, the factors of 16 are 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16. That's why the only light bulbs that are on will be the square-numbered bulbs!

re: #198 Opilio

Took a brute force approach: Did it by hand with 20 bits (lights) and recognized the pattern that was forming.

That's a good approach – take a small sample, and see if you recognize any patterns developing!

203 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:09:16am

re: #199 Fenway_Nation

Oh YEAH! I LOVE football!

;-)

204 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:10:45am

"Don't worry about me; I'll sit in the dark" is the punchline to "How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a light bulb?"

/see joke. see joke fall flat. ;-)

205 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:11:53am

re: #191 littleoldlady

Boy, we have some smart people here!

I was going to say NONE of the bulbs are lit.

/don't worry about me; I'll sit in the dark... ;-)

In real life, the environmentalists would keep reminding you that incandescent light bulbs will be illegal by 2014 anyway, and would probably smash them.

Taking into account the real world, your answer could be correct, as well!
;)

206 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:13:33am

re: #204 littleoldlady

"Don't worry about me; I'll sit in the dark" is the punchline to "How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a light bulb?"

/see joke. see joke fall flat. ;-)

I updinged you for it! I recognized the joke!

How many Las Vegas magicians does it take to change a light bulb?
Just one – he holds it and the world revolves around him!

---

How many software programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
It can't be done. It's a hardware problem!

207 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:16:01am

re: #202 gmsc

That's a good approach – take a small sample, and see if you recognize any patterns developing!

Which reminds me . . .

208 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:16:37am

re: #201 littleoldlady

LOL!

Oh, you will love this.

Rearranged my room. The 16" clock on the wall on the side of my bed (because I am blind when I wake up, you see) ...the clock is now across from the large wall mirror above my dressing table where I sit to become beautiful in the morning (after coffee, of course).

Well, I've become quite proficient at telling mirror time. (This is quite a feat.)

Sunday I woke up, squinted at the clock, gasped, and thought, "How did I sleep until three o'clock!?!"

Walked past the glass patio door, looked outside ...bummed, blew my ENTIRE day!

Kitchen, coffee (there are three digital clocks in kitchen, but I never checked any of them, I was too bummed), then back here to check on the world while I lamented my bad fortune and thought about how I would spend what precious little was left of my day.

Email! A friend, "Have lunch with me." Damn, more lamenting.

A full FIFTEEN minutes went by before I realized it was only 9:00.

Truthfully ...and you think you have problems?

;-)

/time to rearrange -- again

209 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:18:20am

re: #208 pink freud

You are a BRAVE woman! I've become somewhat dyslexic in my old age and would even THINK about doing something like that!

210 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:18:27am

re: #160 gmsc

Here's a challenge! The answer, by the way, will be provided after fruitcup.

Imagine you have an array of 1 million light bulbs, all of which are off to start with. The light bulbs are numbered from 1 to 1,000,000.

Starting with light #1, you change the status of every bulb (When I say "change the status", that will refer to switching a bulb either from off to on, or from on to off). Since they all started off, they are all obviously now all on.

Next, starting with light #2, you're going to change the status of every 2nd bulb. As you can probably imagine, the odd numbered lights are all on, and the even numbered lights are all off.

You continue in this manner, starting with light #3, and then switching the status of every 3rd bulb, then starting with light #4 and switching the status of every 4th bulb, and so on. You only stop after you start with bulb #1,000,000, and switch the status of every millionth bulb (obviously, just the one bulb).

Assuming that none of the bulbs burn out, once you've performed this exercise, which light bulbs will be on, and which light bulbs will be off?

I have pondered this for awhile now, and my answer is:

Why do you hate the environment?

211 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:18:34am

re: #173 gmsc

Side note: There's no Nobel Prize for mathematics.

Obviously, there is no understanding of it (or time zones) at the Prize committee HQ, either, if they are calling you up in the middle of the night.

212 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:18:51am

re: #209 littleoldlady

You are a BRAVE woman! I've become somewhat dyslexic in my old age and would even THINK about doing something like that!

So I shouldn't worry then?

213 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:19:17am

re: #204 littleoldlady

Someone told me this joke once:

Q: What's the number one neuroligical condition that Jewish mothers pass on to their sons?

A: Guilt

Instead of laughing, I asked 'Are you sure that isn't Catholic mothers?'

214 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:19:52am

re: #205 gmsc

In real life, the environmentalists would keep reminding you that incandescent light bulbs will be illegal by 2014 anyway, and would probably smash them.

Taking into account the real world, your answer could be correct, as well!
;)

re: #210 Sharmuta

I have pondered this for awhile now, and my answer is:

Why do you hate the environment?

GMTA!

215 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:19:58am

re: #183 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Definitely will cleanse the palette after the chicken, bean, and rice burrito...

216 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:20:50am

re: #205 gmsc

If that is true a lot of light bulb makers in Kentucky are going to be unemployed. The Chinese will be happy, though.

Me, I've been buying "regular" bulbs on sale for 25 cents a pop. When they go to 10 cents I'll rent a storage facility for them. ;-)

/WAY too klutzy to have dangerous bulbs like those squiggly ones in my house!

217 BatGuano  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:21:13am

re: #209 littleoldlady

Has anyone heard about the dyslexic, insomniac philosopher? He sat up all night wondering if there is a dog.

218 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:21:40am

re: #210 Sharmuta

I have pondered this for awhile now, and my answer is:

Why do you hate the environment?

BTW, Opilio got it right in #182, and the explanation for why is at #202.

219 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:22:11am

re: #213 Fenway_Nation

Sure, AS IF daughters don't suffer from the same disease!

;-)

220 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:22:59am

re: #215 freetoken

Ugh! You're a better man than I, Gunga Din!

/...oh wait ;-)

freetoken! :-)

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:23:26am

re: #212 pink freud

BTW, there are a few comments downstairs that might interest you.

222 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:25:23am

re: #211 Slumbering Behemoth

Obviously, there is no understanding of it (or time zones) at the Prize committee HQ, either, if they are calling you up in the middle of the night.

Well, it could be that they figure you wouldn't mind being woken up to be told that you've won a Nobel Prize.

Granted, that wasn't true in my case.

If that happened to me today, my response would be, "Listen, I figure there are 2 possibilities here. First, you're one of my buddies trying to pull something over on me, in which case, it's a joke. The other possibility is that you're the real Nobel Prize committee, as in the one that awards Peace Prizes to people like Jimmy Carter and Yassir Arafat, in which case, you're an even bigger joke. Either way, get off my phone line and don't call back!"

223 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:31:50am

OK...since Erik isn't here, I might as well try and fill in.

A rancher in Arizona had a lengthy section of fence he needed help buiding. He remembered that the local Navajo handyman was looking for work and enlisted his services. The handyman was wondering why he had a .22 slung over his shoulder as he was being shown the jobsite...

'What's the rifle for?' he asked
'Oh...that's in case any rattlers show up' the rancher reassured.
'You need not worry- the creatures of the desert are good friends of my people'
'Well...I'm going to get some water for us, but I'll leave this behind just in case.' the rancher said, propping the rifle up against a rock outcropping.
It was a long way back to the house for the water, but when the rancher returned he could see about a half-dozen dead rattlesnkes, each with a .22 casing a few feet away. The handyman had the rifle propped up against a fencepost a few feet away from where he was working.
'What happened?' the rancher asked. 'I thought you said that the desert animals were friends of your people'.
'Oh that...' the handyman replied. 'Well, I had so damn many friends showing up, I couldn't get any work done'

224 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:32:26am

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

In Charles' hands now.

225 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:34:44am

re: #219 littleoldlady

Sure, AS IF daughters don't suffer from the same disease!

;-)

I thought there was some sort of built-in immunity...

226 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:36:09am

re: #225 Fenway_Nation

I thought there was some sort of built-in immunity...

Nope. Although we DO get the added perk of being able to pass it on to the next generation. ;-)

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:38:47am

Too pooped to pop. G'nite Lizards, catch y'all later.

228 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:39:21am

'Night, Slumbering! :-)

229 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:39:35am

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth

Too pooped to pop. G'nite Lizards, catch y'all later.

Good night, SB!

230 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:46:26am

Someone please again remind me why the GOP saw fit to select this guy to run for the Senate in 2004, against Barrack Obama?

231 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:48:04am

re: #230 freetoken

Someone please again remind me why the GOP saw fit to select this guy to run for the Senate in 2004, against Barrack Obama?


[Video]

They had already given up?
//

232 pink freud  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:50:04am

Good night, everyone! Time for this gal to get some sleep. :-)

233 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:50:52am

re: #232 pink freud

Good night, everyone! Time for this gal to get some sleep. :-)

Sleep well, my pinkness!

234 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:51:43am

'Night, pink! :-)

235 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:52:06am

Coffee therapy isn't working this morning... :-(

236 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:53:37am

re: #231 gmsc

They had already given up?
//

They didn't have to have a name in the slot! I've often voted where there were only one major party candidate on a ballot. True, those were for minor political office and not US Senate, but still...

237 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:53:58am

Good morning LoL
It's been a while.
Got any fruitcup left?

238 freetoken  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:54:20am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Coffee therapy isn't working this morning... :-(

Calls for massive doses of chocolate. Stat.

239 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:54:34am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Coffee therapy isn't working this morning... :-(

BOO!

(Did that help at all?)

241 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:59:15am

BTW, littleoldlady, I did passby earlier this week.

What's the story with you and BatGuano getting nekkid?
;)

242 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:59:35am

VIA! VIA! VIA! :-)

How've you been?! Where've you been?! And where are you now?

243 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:00:57am
244 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:02:15am

littleoldlady

Did you know I'm expecting my first grandchild, due date this weekend. A girl to be named Emily.

245 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:03:38am

re: #244 nonic

littleoldlady

Did you know I'm expecting my first grandchild, due date this weekend. A girl to be named Emily.

Congrats!

What's the old saying? "Grandkids are so much more fun. We should've had them first!"

246 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:04:01am

re: #242 littleoldlady

Hey Kiddo,
Been out and about with about 1,800 friends
Sitting in SBMA (Subic Bay) as we speak

Heading home in two days
Missed you all

247 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:06:21am

re: #244 nonic

Aw, come on! We're not old enough to be grandmamas/bubbies...

/yes we are :-/

MAZEL TOV, nonic! :-) :-) :-)

248 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:07:00am

re: #246 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Home for good?

/you've been missed, too!

249 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:08:48am

Well, another company that's in trouble and angling for a bailout is having to deal with a furor over bonuses that are being paid to their executives.

Only this time, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bunch of people. Heh.

250 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:09:25am

re: #247 littleoldlady

Honey, I'm old enough to be my youngest kid's grandmother. Really. My youngest was born when I was 41. Sweet and charming young lady was born when you were 16, right? How is she? How's she doing? What's she doing?

251 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:10:04am

re: #245 gmsc

Thanks. :-)

252 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:10:13am

I'm off to sleep now myself.

It was a busy day, and a fun day, but now I need to rest.

Good night, all!

253 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:14:29am

re: #249 gmsc


Warms the cockles of my right-wing extremist heart...

254 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:15:35am

re: #252 gmsc


G'nite!

255 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:11am

re: #250 nonic

Does that mean you're old enough to be MY grandmother?

/Math Challenged 'R Us!™ ;-)

The kid is BUSY. Last few days of school (sophomore year), then finals, she's pledging the business fraternity and THEY have a "final" today, going for summer job training tonight...by her busy is good!

Thanks for asking :-)

256 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:31am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

257 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:24:50am

re: #255 littleoldlady

So that means she decided on business and she's got a summer job. Sounds good. My youngest graduates from college next month and was accepted into law school (into two schools, actually, and both with big merit scholarships). I am very grateful for that, since he was an English major and what ELSE could he do? That means all five of my sons are or will be lawyers.

Let's see. I'm 64. You could have been born when I was 16, then S&CYL could have been born when you were 16 (making me 32)... hell, I could probably be your great-grandmother.

I knew a woman like that once. She was in her early 60's and was a great-great-grandmother.

258 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:25:16am

Had this open in another window when I was harping on what was airing on FOX on Veteran's Day weekend 2006 versus what the CBC was airing, of all networks...

And for those of you tired of me harping on this, tough. You only have FOX to blame for screwing the pooch this badly.

259 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:28:42am

Morning all. Ahh fresh coffee. Here's some strawberries for the fruit cup. Life doesn't get much better than this.

260 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:30:01am

re: #257 nonic

A GAGGLE OF LAWYERS! :-)

My little brother has a 6 year old and a 3 year old. In his 50s.

/...I lose hair just thinking about it!

261 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:30:44am

{My Rove!}

Did you see? VIA is here!

262 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:33:19am

re: #259 Jim in Virginia

Morning all. Ahh fresh coffee. Here's some strawberries for the fruit cup. Life doesn't get much better than this.


LOL. Oh, sure it does. You've probably just forgotten. (I know I have -- or did, till you reminded me.) :-)

263 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:33:28am

Littleolldlady - daughter #1 got into Sidwell (high school next year. ) But she is choosing the local public school. Which is a good choice, academically; free; and five minutes from the house.
I'm proud she got in, prouder that she is making good decisions.
I had a had time seeing her at Sidwell.

264 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:11am

re: #263 Jim in Virginia

Is Sidwell the one that's been in news?

265 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:44am

re: #248 littleoldlady
Sorry 'bout the slow posting.
Bad satellite connection, and I keep dropping the link.
Anyhow...Heading home for about 30 days, then report to my next ship.
At least this one will be out of Norfolk so I can see the family on weekends.
One year left, then I hit 30, and time to retire.
Hope all is well at your end, as I honestly have not been able to stay abreast of LFG except for intermittant times.

266 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:55am

re: #262 nonic

LOL. Oh, sure it does. You've probably just forgotten. (I know I have -- or did, till you reminded me.) :-)

Every day is a gift.
Congrats on the grandchild.
Time to get ready for work. Back in a bit.

267 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:35:22am

re: #260 littleoldlady

A GAGGLE OF LAWYERS! :-)

My little brother has a 6 year old and a 3 year old. In his 50s.

/...I lose hair just thinking about it!

Men who do that are crazy sex fiends.

Worse, I knew a guy in his late forties whose wife was 54 and she wanted and had a child. Now, she was just plain crazy.

268 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:36:31am

re: #264 littleoldlady
Yes. Arguably the best private school in the area. Certainly one of the most elite. Like I said, I had a hard time seeing her there. We ain't that kind of people.

269 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:37:22am

'Yikes' is all I have to say about that...

270 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:38:41am

Morning, folks. Any scraps left on the fruit cup buffet?

271 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:38:48am

Good morning,Lizards!

272 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:39:27am

re: #267 nonic

Men who do that are crazy sex fiends.

Worse, I knew a guy in his late forties whose wife was 54 and she wanted and had a child. Now, she was just plain crazy.

We were 40 when the twins were born. I can't imagine having infants at 53. Or toddlers.

273 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:40:07am

Is it just me, or are LGF page loads extremely slow lately? Web connection is testing fast and other sites loading fine.

274 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:43:03am

re: #268 Jim in Virginia

I understand completely. My baby brother went to Penn. Hung out with rich kids for 4 years. It ruined him.

275 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:43:39am

astronmr20! :-)

goddess! :-)

276 nonic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:44:14am

goddessoftheclassroom
littleoldlady

Goddess, glad you're here. I came specifically looking for littleoldlady because I don't know whether or when I'll be seeing any of you folks again, and I wanted to dispense a few hugs. So here goes...

{littleoldlady}
{goddess}

Ya'll be well and have fun, folks. And take care of your kids, the most important thing. :-)

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:44:20am

Every morning between 6:30am and 7am, four deer walk through my yard towards the woods near my house. Very consistent. It's like they are on a strict schedule. Kind of cool.

278 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:44:42am

atlasshrugs2000

279 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:44:44am

re: #276 nonic

WHERE ARE YOU GOING?!

280 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:45:05am

re: #278 Dustyvet

atlasshrugs2000

Anyone know this name?

281 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:45:25am

I was lucky to have dodged the bad effects of college. Lived at home while attending a university, realized I knew more than the teachers after 2 years, then went to a tech school to learn how to do actual work... got an actual job within 30 days of graduating (my ENTIRE class was placed in the industry within 90 days).

College is an expensive joke.

282 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:45:51am

re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We have 5 teenaged deer go through here every day.

/however cool is NOT how I'd describe it
//Rats With Antlers

283 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:46:27am

Dusty! :-)

That's an LGF nik?

284 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:46:28am

re: #276 nonic

goddessoftheclassroom
littleoldlady

Goddess, glad you're here. I came specifically looking for littleoldlady because I don't know whether or when I'll be seeing any of you folks again, and I wanted to dispense a few hugs. So here goes...

{littleoldlady}
{goddess}

Ya'll be well and have fun, folks. And take care of your kids, the most important thing. :-)

{nopnic}
I hope everything is or will soon be ok.

285 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:48:04am

re: #283 littleoldlady

Dusty! :-)

That's an LGF nik?

No idea, I was checking something and discovered a rather disgusting You Tube video posted by this person.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:48:40am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Consistent in time? That's what I think is cool. Rats with antlers is right.

Everybody? Have the venison. Please, have the venison!

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:43:48am

Nonic, guess it's none of my business, but...good luck with whatever.

288 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:46:13am

re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

EXACTLY. No redeeming qualities whatsoever!

289 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:48:06am

G'morning everyone, posting from the Women's birth and wellness center in Chapel Hill, NC. A close friend of mine just had a baby boy - 7lbs 14oz!

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:49:47am

re: #288 littleoldlady

That's for sure. Venison tastes like shit.

Every deer that is eaten is one less deer that will run out in front of me.

291 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:52:34am

re: #289 rhino2

G'morning everyone, posting from the Women's birth and wellness center in Chapel Hill, NC. A close friend of mine just had a baby boy - 7lbs 14oz!

Mazeltov!

292 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:53:40am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Blasphemy! Venison is delicious!

293 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:54:11am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's for sure. Venison tastes like shit.

Every deer that is eaten is one less deer that will run out in front of me.

Highly disagree. Was served some by a Mennonite family in the mountains of VA a few weeks ago. Sauteed simply in salt, pepper, and butter. Delicious.

They also make sausage out of it. Incredible stuff.

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:55:16am

re: #289 rhino2

Congrats to your friend. Kids are a pain in the ass!

/

295 Scorch  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:56:16am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Know what you mean. Have had several people tell me they can whip up some venison which has no wild taste at all. Wrong on every account, always had a twang that would make we get rid of it quick.

296 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:57:22am

An ex-sister-in-law made a venison stew that was edible. Sliced paper-thin, and lots of other stuff thrown in. The thing is, she slow cooked the meat in a crock pot for 3 days!

/oh, please. it really wasn't THAT good!

And sausage is cheating! ;-)

297 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:57:40am

Morning Lizards.

298 katemaclaren  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:57:48am

I was waiting for an open thread to post my thanks to:
Salamantis and Hopperandadropper
For your suggestions for books and authors for my sci/tech writing course. They sound intriguing! I have read the Stephen Hawking book and the "Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat"--the author was the psychiatrist Oliver Sacks, I believe, whose work was featured in the movie with Robin Williams and Robert DeNiro-- "Awakenings." I should really make sure before I post this and get nailed, but what the heck, it's 7 a.m. here. Thanks lizards.

299 Scorch  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:58:10am

re: #293 astronmr20

Now the venison sausage I can eat if it's at least a 50/50 mix. I will agree it's a lean meat and is great for those who have some kind of stomach problems.

300 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:58:10am

rightside! :-)

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:58:26am

re: #292 rhino2

re: #293 astronmr20

Back when I ate the animals...tried venison probably 10 times. Every time was awful.

Every time I tried it, it was because I hadn't had it when "they" made it.

Finally worked up the guts to say, "No, thank you. No, you can't make it so that I like it. No, I think venison is disgusting. No, I don't care for any, thank you."

302 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:58:28am

re: #271 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

How goes your day?

303 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:58:59am

re: #300 littleoldlady

lol!

304 littleoldlady  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:00:21am

That's it for me, folks. :-(

Good day, ALL!™

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:00:41am

re: #303 rightside

I didn't get it.

306 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:01:00am

re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Every morning between 6:30am and 7am, four deer walk through my yard towards the woods near my house. Very consistent. It's like they are on a strict schedule. Kind of cool.

Venison. Mmm.
Do you have a shotgun?
(Isn't it a law that if you live in Roanoke you have to hunt? Even if you're an FBV?)

307 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:01:41am

re: #300 littleoldlady

Look who's using the cat door!


308 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:06:31am

Hmm, we have the ingredients for a Passion of the Christ thread here.
Does Ron Paul eat venison?

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:08:17am

re: #307 Dustyvet

That is the cutest damn thing. How'd they get it out? Or did they just pop it in the oven?

310 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:09:33am

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is the cutest damn thing. How'd they get it out? Or did they just pop it in the oven?

No idea...:)

311 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:12:25am

Good morning.

The market dropped late yesterday based on the news that GM would default on debt in June and would close most of their plants for 9 weeks to get rid of backlogged inventory.

If this happened with Bush in the White House he would be crucified on the MSM. But with the Messiah in the White House? Not so much.

But the GM employees will still get paid anyway:
Sources: GM to shut most US plants up to 9 weeks

Thousands of workers could be laid off but would still get most of their pay because their United Auto Workers union contract requires the company to make up much of the difference between state unemployment benefits and their wages. UAW officials at several factories said they have meetings scheduled Thursday and Friday with plant managers and GM human resource officials to discuss production changes.

And what are they going to get paid with?

GM is living on $13.4 billion in government loans and faces a June 1 deadline to cut its debt, reduce labor costs and take other restructuring steps. If it doesn't meet the deadline, the company's CEO has said it will enter Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

don't be too surprised if, after this is all said and done, what remains of GM moves to other countries like China where there are no unions.

312 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:13:54am

re: #311 3 wood

I'm still not feeling stimulated.

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:14:01am

re: #311 3 wood

Kind of crazy when you save money by not producing product while paying the people who produce the product.

314 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:15:10am

re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To each his own I suppose! I love the stuff, eat it fairly often, no shortage of deer here in central/eastern NC.

315 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:16:17am

General question:

Is it just me or has the MSM stopped their fixation with casualties in Iraq since the Messiah got sworn in?

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:16:53am

re: #315 3 wood

Depends. Are there still casualties in Iraq?

317 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:17:19am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of crazy when you save money by not producing product while paying the people who produce the product.

Are unions great or what?

318 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:17:25am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of crazy when you save money by not producing product while paying the people who produce the product.

They apparently have about a 6 month inventory of some models.

319 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:18:22am

re: #315 3 wood

I had noticed a decline in that stream of news since before 0ne got sworn in, I think mostly due to that sort of activity genuinely falling.

320 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:19:06am

re: #315 3 wood

General question:

Is it just me or has the MSM stopped their fixation with casualties in Iraq since the Messiah got sworn in?


You expected fairness and accuracy in media?
How old are you?
/

321 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:21:40am
322 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:21:58am

Here's a stunner:
Democrats Consider Bypassing G.O.P. on Health Care Plan

WASHINGTON — With solid majorities in both houses of Congress, Democrats are tempted to use their political muscle to speed passage of health care legislation with minimal concessions to the Republican minority.
That approach may be the only way they can fulfill President Obama’s campaign promises, but it carries high risks as well.

In the budget blueprint for the coming year, Democrats may resort to an obscure procedure known as reconciliation to clear the way for Senate passage of a comprehensive health bill with a 51-vote majority, rather than the 60 votes that would otherwise be needed.

“It may be a struggle to get to 60,” said Senator Jeff Bingaman, Democrat of New Mexico, who is working on the legislation.

I thought Obama was unifier who knew how to reach across the aisle?

323 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:23:19am

re: #314 rhino2

To each his own I suppose! I love the stuff, eat it fairly often, no shortage of deer here in central/eastern NC.

Where u @?

I'm in Charlotte. Which is western I suppose.

324 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:24:23am

re: #320 Jim in Virginia

You expected fairness and accuracy in media?
How old are you?

My tongue was firmly in cheek.

325 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:25:43am

By the way, this upcoming legislation on credit cards has all the makings of being another Community Reinvestment Act for the Democratic Party base.

Pretty much, banks would be required to give cards to just about everyone at very favorable rates, if they offer them at all.

326 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:26:42am

re: #321 taxfreekiller

Obamanomics.

Raise cost.
More regulations.
More Taxes.
Higher energy cost.
Keep the Unions in charge.

uh! ah! but!

China now is being seen as being more free market friendly than the US.

327 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:28:14am

re: #323 astronmr20

I live in Northern Raleigh :)

328 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:28:30am
329 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:28:45am

re: #326 3 wood

So, is GM basically making no new autos, but simply paying people to do little, until our money we had taken from us, runs out?

330 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:28:55am

Looks like I killed another thread.

Got to get ready for work anyway and pay for the coming bail out for the NYT.

Hey TFK, Kerry is going to be holding hearings on how to bail out the MSM. This should be fun to watch.

331 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:29:07am

God Damn!

I mean...I don't know what to say.

God Damn It!

The Obama administration has asked a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit against Iran filed by Americans held hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran 30 years ago.

The request comes in a $6.6 billion class-action lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Washington. Fifty-two American diplomats and military officials were held captive for more than a year at the end of Jimmy Carter's presidency by a group of Islamist students who supported the Iranian revolution.


...

A similar lawsuit brought by the Iranian hostages was dismissed in 2000 after the government successfully argued it was banned by the Algiers Accords. The hostages argue that legislation passed by Congress last year and signed into law by President George W. Bush gives them the right to bring private lawsuits.

Whose side is this guy on?

332 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:29:32am

re: #327 rhino2

Is it true, that NC has delayed state tax refunds due to revenue shortages?

333 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:29:47am

re: #329 rightside

So, is GM basically making no new autos, but simply paying people to do little, until our money we had taken from us, runs out?

That's about it.

Then I think they will declare bankruptcy and move to China.

334 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:30:36am

re: #331 Dar ul Harbarian

Whose side is this guy on?

I think that is becoming quite clear, don't you?

335 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:31:00am

re: #333 3 wood

Since it's our money, they should cease right now, and give the rest of the money back. Or give us their remaining inventory. We paid for it.

336 astronmr20  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:41:45am

re: #327 rhino2

You don't happen to know any good contractors, do you? My company has a location there (Durham) that needs some exterior renovations on small buildings.

337 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:45:25am

re: #312 Jim in Virginia

I'm still not feeling stimulated.

Good morning, Lizards.

Well, here's a bit of "stimulus" to think about.

The One now wants to withdraw all USN units from the Somali coast area. Instead, he wants to pay Somalia's government to establish a "coast guard" to patrol the area and suppress the pirates. I see several problems, here;

1. Somalia doesn't actually have a "government", and hasn't since Siad-Barre bailed in 1986 (taking most of their then-existing treasury with him).

2. Any "coast guard" will therefore be run by the same clans who are responsible for the piracy we are dealing with now. Which means it will be the same guys out there, just flying Somali flags (maybe).

3. If we are paying them a yearly fee to "maintain" said "coast guard", what we'll really be doing is paying them not to attack our ships. (Except when they just feel like it.)

4. And oh yes, they will of course be using this money to "properly equip" said "coast guard". If you think the Somali pirates are a problem now, with Boston Whalers, skiffs, and rigid-sidewall inflatables, just wait until they can afford surplus Russian-made Osa-I, Osa-II, or Tarantul- class guided-missile boats. ("Hello! We are 2000 meters off your port bow! If you do not stop immediately and give us all your valuables, we will put a missile into your bridge! Have a nice day!")

We went through this with the Barbary pirates- they demanded tribute, too, with the understanding that it would not stop them from attacking our ships, they just wouldn't attack every ship flying our colors. Hence our response, "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute".

The One seems to prefer "Billions (which we will have to borrow from somebody) for tribute, not one cent for defense- it's immoral, and icky, and upsets me at my vegetarian breakfast". (Yes, that last bit is a steal.)

More seriously, he seems to believe that he can contradict Kipling- he thinks he can pay the Danegeld, and thereby be rid of the Dane.

I'm sure Rudyard would disagree rather strongly.

What he's going to create is a seagoing protection racket- that may or may not actually work. But it will cost us money we don't actually have. By Chicago standards, this is apparently defined as a good idea.

At least now I know why The One does things the way he does. It's not because he's a socialist, or an autocrat, or a con man, or any other thing he's been suspected of being.

It's because he's an arrogant, egotistical, narcissistic, complete f**king idiot, who thinks that he can ignore all of history that has gone before.

And this particular bit of idiocy is going to cost us more than he could ever imagine. Then again, since it will "only be capitalism that gets hurt", he may not really care. If he has even thought that far ahead- which I seriously doubt

As the old saying goes, "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by simple stupidity."

cheers

eon

338 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:51:48am

re: #337 eon

can we withdraw the one?

339 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:52:48am

re: #276 nonic

nonic, are you OK? I'm afraid you'll have to give us more to go on than that. What category would you put your impending absence into?

Travel?
Employment?
Network Access?
Deployment?
Illness?
Goodbye Cruel World?
Flouncing?
Fed up with GotC and LoL?

340 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:53:31am

re: #337 eon

What the (insert cuss word) is he thinking?**channeling dad** There goes the blood pressure this morning! I really need to deem this a "non-news" day...it started out so well, a beautiful day here in Florida, Mr. Bunny brought me coffee in bed, the grandson was in a hilarious mood, the amaryllis are in full bloom...and then this. Grrr

Good morning all! : D

341 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:54:49am

Charles, you're probably aware of this already, but just in case..
Fate of Sun's Software Is Uncertain

Deal Gives Oracle Control of 'Open Source' Projects, MySQL Database

Oracle Corp.'s $7.38 billion deal for Sun Microsystems Inc. doesn't just come with computer systems: It also gives Oracle control over a popular piece of software called MySQL.

342 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:54:52am

G'devening.

With conservatism at war with and very likely to collapse in on itself, I'm starting to think this site is more centrist-libertarian than actually conservative.

/braces

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:56:59am

re: #342 laZardo

You have braces?

344 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:58:42am

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No, but I'd like to. Got a rather prominent crossbite. :B

345 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:58:57am

This site is more neo-honcoist and anti-idiotarian.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:59:07am

re: #337 eon

I think that would be bad.

347 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:59:26am

re: #338 rightside

can we withdraw the one?

Unfortunately, only Democrats are allowed "do-overs" on elections. It's how they "do over" everybody else.

I'm hoping that at some point some old, grizzled Master Chief takes him aside and, over coffee, explains the Facts of Life at Sea to him. Since we don't seem to have any Admirals capable of doing so. Or at least none who can get through the cordon of unicorn-handlers and puppy-sitters he surrounds himself with.

cheers

eon

348 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:59:52am

re: #345 BigPapa

Neo-honcoist?

/is not up to speed with LGF Vocab

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:00:29am

Well, I have to go stimulate the economy. See y'all later.

350 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:01:05am

re: #340 Fluffy Bunny

What the (insert cuss word) is he thinking?**channeling dad** There goes the blood pressure this morning! I really need to deem this a "non-news" day...it started out so well, a beautiful day here in Florida, Mr. Bunny brought me coffee in bed, the grandson was in a hilarious mood, the amaryllis are in full bloom...and then this. Grrr

Good morning all! : D

I feel your pain- literally. I heard this on Fox (radio) News at 0530 while shaving- with a so-called "safety" razor.

/Lucky for me I wasn't using my cut-throat.

cheers

eon

351 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:02:19am

re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cheers.

352 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:03:37am

re: #337 eon

Well, I think he is a fucking Commie bastard. Being ignorant of history does not exclude that.

353 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:03:57am

re: #348 laZardo

Sorry. Short of it is that some lovely hate mail was received calling Charles us the rest of us 'honcos.' We've made it a title or brand of honor.

Do a search, you might find the actual post with the hate mail, if you want to spend the time.

354 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:05:14am

re: #353 BigPapa

Oh yeah, that one. Thanks.

355 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:05:27am

re: #336 astronmr20

I could actually give you some names yeah, my dad was a painting contractor for many years. I'll have to check with him to see which ones are still in business(building/real estate has been rough around here), but I could do that later today and get back to you.

356 Pupdawg  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:05:52am

'The best mind-altering drug is the truth.'...and Democrats 'just say no!'

357 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:07:17am

re: #356 Pupdawg

I remember back in the 90s when American arcade games had big FBI "Winners Don't Do Drugs" start-up screens. Brings a soft smile to my face whenever I discover an old machine that displays it.

358 Big Steve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:07:31am

So when is "Flouncing" or "Flouncing to the exit" going to be added to the LGF dictionary?

359 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:08:17am

re: #352 MandyManners

Well, I think he is a fucking Commie bastard. Being ignorant of history does not exclude that.

True, but the only thing worse that a f**king Commie b***d is a stupid f**king Commie b***d.

That's the kind that turn a country- or the world- into a disaster area simply by not thinking about what he's doing. Castro, Lil' Kim, Chavez', and Ceaucescu' come to mind.

Of course, they didn't have nearly the potential for a widespread Charlie Fox that The One does.

cheers

eon

360 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:09:38am

Conservatism is redefining itself right now. It's about time. The left has been trying to redefine it for years since they're still bitter that 'commie' was a pejorative.

As long as the YEC's and Paulians don't win this 'war,' we're all good.

361 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:11:30am

re: #358 Big Steve

Wha? New hate mail?

362 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:14:03am

re: #358 Big Steve

So when is "Flouncing" or "Flouncing to the exit" going to be added to the LGF dictionary?

IIRC, I brought it here.

363 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:14:22am

re: #360 BigPapa

One more question...

Is it pronounced 'honsos' or 'honkos?'

/i before e, etc. etc. etc.

364 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:14:23am

re: #350 eon

You might want to consider giving up shaving for the next four years! ; )

365 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:14:53am

re: #332 rightside

Is it true, that NC has delayed state tax refunds due to revenue shortages?

Indeed it is.

366 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:15:37am

re: #359 eon

True, but the only thing worse that a f**king Commie b***d is a stupid f**king Commie b***d.

That's the kind that turn a country- or the world- into a disaster area simply by not thinking about what he's doing. Castro, Lil' Kim, Chavez', and Ceaucescu' come to mind.

Of course, they didn't have nearly the potential for a widespread Charlie Fox that The One does.

cheers

eon

Gonna' sleep with one eye open for the next four years.

367 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:15:43am

"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments" - George Washington

368 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:16:27am

re: #360 BigPapa

There is certainly a crossroads right now, regarding the GOP and conservatives. No one is stepping up to the plate to lead in the GOP, and there is little talk of fiscal conservatism.

Grim future on the horizon.

369 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:16:45am

re: #366 MandyManners

Gonna' sleep with one eye open for the next four years.

You have a young son, so you must be good at that anyway?

370 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:16:45am

re: #363 laZardo

One more question...

Is it pronounced 'honsos' or 'honkos?'

/i before e, etc. etc. etc.

The latter.

371 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:17:12am

re: #369 Nevergiveup

You have a young son, so you must be good at that anyway?

So true. So true.

372 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:18:28am

15:00 UN kicks Jewish, Iranian groups out of Durban II (AP

Well the UN is even handed?
/

373 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:19:20am

re: #371 MandyManners

So true. So true.

While I was your son's age, my mom always told us, that she had eyes in the back of her head...:)

374 Mithrax  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:20:14am

re: #373 Dustyvet

While I was your son's age, my mom always told us, that she had eyes in the back of her head...:)

So did mine. And man, I tell you she did! I couldn't get away with nothing.

Well, at least until I was a teenager. By then I think I had worn her out and the vigilance lapsed :P

375 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:20:18am

re: #368 rightside

Speaking of leading the GOP. Whatever happened to Sarah Palin?

/apart from her getting her own videogame...

376 MandyManners  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:22:13am

Later my sweet taters!

377 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:22:47am

re: #353 BigPapa

Sorry. Short of it is that some lovely hate mail was received calling Charles us the rest of us 'honcos.' We've made it a title or brand of honor.

Do a search, you might find the actual post with the hate mail, if you want to spend the time.

I assumed at the time that the gink sending Charles the "love letter" had both misspelled "honcho", and was totally ignorant of its actual derivation, and meaning. Which is pretty much the opposite of what he, she, or it no doubt intended.

Honcho (n.)- A leader, a superior, a planner. The Guy In Charge. Origin; Korean word for "Boss", used initially as a radio code word for the lead pilots of Chinese PLAAF or North Korean PAF MiG-15 groups by U.S. Air Force F-86 Sabre pilots during the Korean War (1950-53). These lead pilots were at the time believed to be mainly Chinese or possibly Russian; it has since been learned that most of such "Honchos" were in fact Soviet Air Force officers, who were veterans of World War Two air combat vs. the Luftwaffe on the Ostfront. due to the highly-restrictive, follow-the-leader tactics taught and used by the Communist forces, when a "honcho" was downed, the rest of his group tended to break, scatter, and bug out with no mutual support whatsoever. Making them easy meat for the Sabres.

/Just a little history and etymology for a sunny Thursday morning.

cheers

eon

378 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:23:11am

re: #376 MandyManners

Laters Mandy!

379 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:23:31am

re: #376 MandyManners

Cheers.

380 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:24:18am

Children tracked by sat nav to stop bad behaviour
Children will be tracked by satellite on public transport and encouraged to spy on their friends and report bad behaviour, under a pilot scheme by the Welsh Assembly.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

What ever happened to "old fashion" child rearing?

381 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:24:33am

re: #377 eon

Honcho (n.)- A leader, a superior, a planner. The Guy In Charge. Origin; Korean word for "Boss", used initially as a radio code word for the lead pilots of Chinese PLAAF or North Korean PAF MiG-15 groups by U.S. Air Force F-86 Sabre pilots during the Korean War (1950-53).

I'm probably not the only one who thought it was Spanish.

382 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:25:22am

re: #380 Nevergiveup

The left whining that spanking was torture and abuse. And they still do.

383 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:25:43am

re: #381 laZardo

Then it would be pronounced "Oncho!"

384 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:29:26am

re: #381 laZardo

I'm probably not the only one who thought it was Spanish.

I've heard it used in Western movies and TV shows, mainly ones made in the Seventies or later. I suppose it might have been heard in the Old West, courtesy of Korean immigrants working on the railroads (not all of the immigrant workers from the Far East came from China), but it would likely only have been heard on the West Coast, in that case.

(Yes, this is the sort of thing that goes through my mind watching a Western.)

I believe it's actually a compound of two words, "hon" and "cho", which IIRC works out to "big man" or "top man". Anybody here who speaks Korean want to straighten me out?

cheers

eon

385 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:30:07am

re: #382 rightside

I used to get the buckle-end if I swore in the house back when I was an elementary lad. Kept the house air clean but combined with being the "little kid" picked on in school did not produce a shiny, happy teen.

386 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:31:03am

re: #384 eon

Makes sense, though it would also make the term "head honcho" a bit redundant. LOL.

387 Rustler  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:31:06am

So whats up with a rewrite of the Real ID act? From all I heard it's going to basically be the same thing is it merely because it has Bush's name on it? Or will Obama write it so the Fed Govt. pays for the increase in cost of having the standardized ID's instead of the states?

388 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:32:32am

re: #385 laZardo

I had my mouth washed out with soap once by my grandmother, at this point I don't even remember what it was I said.

389 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:33:19am

re: #386 laZardo

Could be referring to the boss's boss!

390 SteveC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:34:21am

re: #382 rightside

The left whining that spanking was torture and abuse. And they still do.

Red hair. Green eyes. Black Leather. Please, Mistress, torture me some more!

391 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:34:54am

re: #388 rhino2

I had my mouth washed out with soap once by my grandmother, at this point I don't even remember what it was I said.

My Mom used Whisk like a pro...:)

392 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:35:06am

re: #386 laZardo

Makes sense, though it would also make the term "head honcho" a bit redundant. LOL.

Just like the habit of English-speakers to refer to the "Juang Ho River" in China, i.e. the Yellow River. "Ho" in Chinese (Mandarin) actually means "River"- hence, that works out to "Yellow River River".

cheers

eon

393 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:35:19am

re: #388 rhino2

Oh [insert deity here.] My mom used the dishwashing liquid.

394 Rustler  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:35:54am

Grr the Lab at Ft Detrick, MD appears to have lost 3 vials containing Virus samples. I hope they find who ever it was that stole these or failed to follow procedure and allowed the loss to occur. Its only Equine Encephalitis(not Small pox thank god) but still transmittable to humans.

395 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:36:43am

Good morning Lizards! Here is some light morning reading from VDH...

Do the smart thing, we were told, and invest in a 401(k) retirement account. Buy into the American dream and own your own home. But lately it seems that those who put their money in low-earning passbook savings accounts or rented rather than buying may have been better off.

Nonsense is passed off as wisdom. Those who caused the financial meltdown walked away with millions in bonuses while taxpayers covered the debts they ran up. The big-spending government claims it may cut our annual $1.7 trillion deficit in half by 2012 — but only after piling up trillions more in national debt.

In our Orwellian world, borrowing to spend what we don’t have has been renamed “stimulus.” Those who pay no federal income taxes — almost half of Americans — can somehow be promised an income tax “cut.” In the new borrowing of trillions of dollars here and trillions there, billions of dollars now sounds like pocket change.

When Americans turn to their political parties for answers, they are even more confused. Populist Democrats such as Sen. Chris Dodd and Pres. Barack Obama took more AIG campaign cash than did pro-business Republicans.

Read the whole thing...

396 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:37:29am

re: #392 eon

Being a techy one of my pet peeves is seeing people use the term "nic card".

Nothing like needing help with your network interface card card!

397 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:38:16am

I grew up in a law enforcement household, both parents! They knew what I was thinking before I even thought it and had a plan to deal with it.

I snuck out at 16, rolled my car out of the driveway, had a great time at the party, climbed back in my bedroom window to find mom and dad sitting on my bed waiting for me. As I hung, half in and half out of my room...my first thought was "Oh Gawd, just let them shoot me, it will be quicker and much less painful. "

The next day I went to start my car to go to school, dead as doornail it was, dad had removed the distributor cap...permanently.

398 SteveC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:38:32am

re: #388 rhino2

I had my mouth washed out with soap once by my grandmother, at this point I don't even remember what it was I said.

No one in my family ever did that, but a neighbor did. I proclaimed that there was no way anyone was puttin' no bar of soap in my mouth.

Have mercy, never should have said that. It was like picking a fight with both the Bloods AND the Crips!

399 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:41:01am

Morning all.
So GM gets taken over by the One. The One promptly dismisses the CEO and assumes control of the company. GM/Obama announce that they will shut down for two months. The employees who will be producing zero products will still receive a paycheck from Obama/GM during those two months.
Moscow called, they want their stupidity back.

400 SteveC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:42:35am

re: #399 Lincolntf

Moscow called, they want their stupidity back.

Not yet, we're still using it.

401 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:42:51am

re: #396 rhino2

Being a techy one of my pet peeves is seeing people use the term "nic card".

Nothing like needing help with your network interface card card!

You're one up on me. I assume by inference that my Net-connected computer must have some such widget in it, or the modem, somewhere, but this is the first time I've ever heard the term.

cheers

eon

402 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:45:18am

Giving money and power to Barack Obama is like giving liquor and car keys to a teenage boy

403 laZardo  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:45:42am

re: #399 Lincolntf

Meanwhile, Chrysler and Fiat.

I'm hoping it works out. Those new 500s are so adorable... :c

404 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:48:51am

re: #402 Dustyvet

Giving money and power to Barack Obama is like giving liquor and car keys to a teenage boy Kennedy.

405 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:49:56am

re: #390 SteveC

I just can't comprehend submissive men. Not calling you one, lol.

406 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:50:04am

re: #397 Fluffy Bunny

My best friends father was a Police Officer, he booted my bud's car for the same reason. Boot stayed on the car for two years.

407 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:50:09am

re: #363 laZardo

Pronounced HonKos. I think. Although the creator of the term was from Indonesia, I believe.

408 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:51:02am

Wheres Ford on all this? As I recall they didn't need the money, but then later were asking for higher gas taxes so they could sell a bloated inventory of hybrids that no one wants?

409 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:51:34am

OT: OK folks, the weekly jobless claims just came out and I have a question for all of you. 3 Wood, if you are still lurking, please help me out.

Please look at the two links:

FOX Business

CNBC

FOX says the jobless claims rose, CNBC says they fell. Can anyone explain it or have we reached a point where everything in the MSM is sheer propaganda akin to Goebels?

410 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:52:30am

re: #368 rightside

I wish you were wrong.

411 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:52:43am

re: #396 rhino2

LOL, that bugs me too! We make up lists of those kinds of things, and having been in the Navy for 20 years, they have tons of them!

ATM machine
HIV virus
PIN number
CAC card

412 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:52:48am

re: #409 Jetpilot1101

Or merely wrong due to incompetence, it's getting hard to tell the difference.

413 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:53:20am

re: #409 Jetpilot1101

OK, sorry folks, I jumped the gun, it looks like CNBC has corrected their story and now both agree, jobless claims rose. Move along, nothing to see here.

414 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:54:06am

re: #406 Dustyvet

I feel his pain, not only was I without my beloved VW but I later found out that I was "under-surveillance" at the party. Mom had called a fellow officer for "back-up". They still laugh about that night.

415 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:54:10am

re: #413 Jetpilot1101

I was right! Probably anyway...

416 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:56:00am

re: #399 Lincolntf

Yes! as I said earlier, shut down right now, not another penny. Give back all the remaining funds, and/or give away ALL vehicles currently in inventory. Yes, I said GIVE THEM AWAY, we paid for them.

417 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 5:56:38am

re: #377 eon

You're probably right about the honcho vs honco, and on the meaning as well. That makes the most sense.

Thanks for the history lesson Honco!

418 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:00:51am

Mornin' reptiles. Did anyone watch South Park? I found out from that episode that (according to Cartman) I can't be a pirate. :(

419 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:03:38am

re: #399 Lincolntf

The employees who will be producing zero products will still receive a paycheck from Obama/GM during those two months.

How could this be? Are they being paid vacation, or amortized hourly rates like school teachers that only work 9 months a year but get paychecks for 12?

420 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:05:02am

re: #418 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, but I bet Cartman would let you be a butt pirate. I think he went through a phase where he called everyone a butt pirate. Ahh... SouthPark humor. Love it.

421 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:05:08am

re: #419 BigPapa

The unions have contracts with GM in which GM is obligated to make up most of the difference between the unemployment benefits and the union member's normal salaries.

AKA - They get paid nearly in full to not work, must be nice.

422 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:05:54am

re: #419 BigPapa

According to two stories I read (I'll go look for the hard numbers in a sec) the "UAW will continue to receive their paychecks during the shutdown". I do believe that their will be some reduction from normal pay, but I think it's minimal. Be back in a minute with a good link, hopefully.

423 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:08:39am

Well, time to run.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

424 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:09:24am

If GM declares bankruptcy, are the union contracts still valid or are they renegotiated?

425 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:09:50am

re: #423 eon

Take care eon!

426 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:10:55am

Have a great day, eon! : )

427 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:11:09am

I don't know if this particular article has already been posted, but here's the "money shot" re: wages:

" ...UAW workers affected will be placed on temporary layoff and receive state unemployment benefits and company supplemental pay that roughly equals about 70% of their gross pay..."

So they get 70% of their pay from the taxpayers/GM and are eligible for unemployment benefits from the taxpayers.
Who do they work for again?

428 Dustyvet  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:11:44am

re: #418 Mad Al-Jaffee

Mornin' reptiles. Did anyone watch South Park? I found out from that episode that (according to Cartman) I can't be a pirate. :(

Screw you guys, I'm goin' home!

Eric Cartman

429 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:12:15am

re: #427 Lincolntf

I don't know if this particular article has already been posted, but here's the "money shot" re: wages:

" ...UAW workers affected will be placed on temporary layoff and receive state unemployment benefits and company supplemental pay that roughly equals about 70% of their gross pay..."

So they get 70% of their pay from the taxpayers/GM and are eligible for unemployment benefits from the taxpayers.
Who do they work for again?

Better question is who are WE working for...

430 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:13:46am

re: #421 rhino2

The unions have contracts with GM in which GM is obligated to make up most of the difference between the unemployment benefits and the union member's normal salaries.

AKA - They get paid nearly in full to not work, must be nice.

Unemployment was for emergency purposes, not a pseudo vacation fund. I guess now everyone sees it as an entitlement to be used as part of financial planning...? Wow.

So, lesseehere... I can work, get 100% of pay, or I can not work and get 90% of pay. 39% of people will be inclined to work 89% less often, which means the remaining people who do work harder can make less money since they support the slackers.

In all honesty, though 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot, I did not make these numbers up. I guessed. I figure I might be off by a point or two, but whose counting?

431 SteveC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:14:36am

re: #405 rightside

I just can't comprehend submissive men. Not calling you one, lol.

Just jerkin' the chain of the morning crew. I *did* have a friend in college - I found out later that she did the Mistress thing. Sweetest girl in the world... until she changed into the leather.

432 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:15:06am

re: #424 Fluffy Bunny

In bankruptcy GM has the choice to reject or accept the union contracts. If they're rejected, the unions can claim damages against the estate as ordinary creditors. That means the unions might end up with a tiny fraction of the amount of their claims. The union pensions are a different matter. If GM can't fund them, they'll be passed off to the U.S. government (PBGC). PBGC, in turn, will insure the pensions, but probably not to the extent of 100% on the dollar. So union pensioners will take a haircut a well.

433 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:15:32am

re: #409 Jetpilot1101

OT: OK folks, the weekly jobless claims just came out and I have a question for all of you. 3 Wood, if you are still lurking, please help me out.

It all depends on how you want to look at the data.

From the FOX article:

New Jobless Claims Rise More Than Unexpected, as 6 Million Seek Benefits

First the weekly "new claim" numbers are up a bit:

The Labor Department said Thursday that initial claims for unemployment compensation rose to a seasonally adjusted 640,000, up from a revised 613,000 the previous week. That was slightly above analysts' expectations of 635,000.

Initial claims are interpreted as jobs that were just eliminated.

However, if you look at it via a 4 week moving average, which levels out annomalies, it's down slightly:

The four-week average of claims, which smooths out volatility, dropped slightly to 646,750, about 12,000 below the peak in early April. Goldman Sachs economists have said a decline of 30,000 to 40,000 in the four-week average is needed to signal a peak.

The total number of people claiming unemployment continues to grow:

In another sign of labor market weakness, the number of people continuing to claim benefits rose to 6.13 million, setting a record for the 12th straight week.


Now, all that being said, do not look to unempolyment to tell you whether or not the economy is still deteriorating or if it is getting better. Unemployment is a lagging indicator and few reporters understand that. From this same article is this bogus line:

Economists are closely watching the unemployment compensation data because they believe a sustained decline in the number of initial claims could signal the end of the recession is nearing.

Any "economist" who looks to unemployment numbers to tell you if a recession is over is a twit. The recession will be over for 6 months or more before you see an appreciable change in the unemployment number.

On the other hand, I look at market numbers. One of the things the MSM is not talking about (cause they are too plain stupid to do this analysis) is that the 50 day moving average of stock issues gaining vs. declining has shifted into positive territory in the last week or so. That means, that over the last 50 trading days, more than 50% of the issues traded have gained.

A month ago that number was about 47%.

That is significant. Keep that up and employment will pick up later this year.

Was that explanation any help?

434 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:16:11am

good mornia lizardia! I've been very busy and there appears to be no letup in sight, but I thought this is important enough to post.

Nick Griffin defends BNP leaflet that says black and Asian Britons 'do not exist'

British National Party chairman Nick Griffin spoke today of a 'bloodless genocide' as he defended a party leaflet which says that black Britons and Asian Britons 'do not exist'.

The BNP leader was referring to the party's Language And Concepts Discipline Manual, which says the term used should be 'racial foreigners'.

Mr Griffin said to call such people British was a sort of 'bloodless genocide' because it denied indigenous people their own identity.

More at the link. Nice people Geller, GoV, et. al., are hanging out with.

435 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:17:50am

re: #432 quickjustice

Thank you quickjustice, you answered another one of my questions as well. I had wondered about the pensions.

436 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:18:01am

re: #424 Fluffy Bunny

If GM declares bankruptcy, are the union contracts still valid or are they renegotiated?

That's what you go to bankruptcy court to get done. The contracts as they existed are done.

437 SteveC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:18:50am

re: #399 Lincolntf

The employees who will be producing zero products will still receive a paycheck from Obama/GM during those two months.

IIRC correctly, everything shuts down for two weeks normally while the plant is retooled for the new model year. They get paid during the shutdown.

Paid two week vacation for everyone, including Uncle Jimmy stupid nephew who just stepped onto the line yesterday. Damn, life is good in Union-land.

438 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:19:56am

re: #434 wahabicorridor

That was gross.

439 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:19:56am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Ahmadinejad is busy ranting and raving again, and calling on the "idol of zionism" to be eliminated. He's also saying that the Islamic revolution is being exported around the world. On that, he's right. It is spreading. And the West slumbers at the consequences of a misogynistic worldview that treats nonbelievers as second class citizens and refuses to assimilate into existing cultures and worldviews.

440 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:20:01am

re: #433 3 wood

Was that explanation any help?

Great point 3 wood. Good to remind people that unemployment is a lagging indicator since the media doesn't.

441 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:20:45am

re: #434 wahabicorridor

good mornia lizardia! I've been very busy and there appears to be no letup in sight, but I thought this is important enough to post.

Nick Griffin defends BNP leaflet that says black and Asian Britons 'do not exist'

More at the link. Nice people Geller, GoV, et. al., are hanging out with.

That is the difference between Europe and the USA. If someone moves to Germany, France, UK, etc...they can become citizens, but they cannot become Germans, French or English. Here in the good ol' USofA, you can move here from Antarctica and become an American

442 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:21:43am

re: #434 wahabicorridor

good mornia lizardia! I've been very busy and there appears to be no letup in sight, but I thought this is important enough to post.

Nick Griffin defends BNP leaflet that says black and Asian Britons 'do not exist'


More at the link. Nice people Geller, GoV, et. al., are hanging out with.

This coming from a guy who looks to have one blue eye and one brown eye.

443 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:23:44am

re: #437 SteveC

Yeah, the two weeks are normal. I have a few buddies in heavy industry/manufacturing and they have semi-annual shutdowns like that. It makes sense, because those places run 24 hours a day and any major cleaning/maintenance/repairs that are necessary can be done during the shutdown. It's a nice vaqcation plan, too.
But this "two months" could very easily become 3 months or more. It could also become an annual thing and even potentially become an "entitlement". Leftists, even the bald-faced ones like Obama, move in incremental steps in order to stay under the radar. This is one of those steps.

444 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:23:52am

re: #427 Lincolntf

I don't know if this particular article has already been posted, but here's the "money shot" re: wages:

" ...UAW workers affected will be placed on temporary layoff and receive state unemployment benefits and company supplemental pay that roughly equals about 70% of their gross pay..."

So they get 70% of their pay from the taxpayers/GM and are eligible for unemployment benefits from the taxpayers.
Who do they work for again?

Yep, see my #311 above where I linked it brite and early.

Basically, they will get paid close to 100% plus benefits to do nothing for 9 weeks, by us taxpayers.

As long as that kind of stuff exists, these auto makers have no chance of surviving on their own.

So then it boils down to, how long is the taxpayer going to carry them?

445 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:24:26am

re: #434 wahabicorridor

good mornia lizardia! I've been very busy and there appears to be no letup in sight, but I thought this is important enough to post.

Nick Griffin defends BNP leaflet that says black and Asian Britons 'do not exist'

More at the link. Nice people Geller, GoV, et. al., are hanging out with.

Just like there are no gays in Iran. Same mentality.

446 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:24:51am

re: #439 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Ahmadinejad is busy ranting and raving again, and calling on the "idol of zionism" to be eliminated. He's also saying that the Islamic revolution is being exported around the world. On that, he's right. It is spreading. And the West slumbers at the consequences of a misogynistic worldview that treats nonbelievers as second class citizens and refuses to assimilate into existing cultures and worldviews.

He obviously does not read LGF.

447 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:27:56am

Mornin' all. Another exciting Thursday, or Friday depending on your place of residence on this rock.//

448 3 wood  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:29:23am

re: #443 Lincolntf

Leftists, even the bald-faced ones like Obama, move in incremental steps in order to stay under the radar. This is one of those steps.

It will be interesting to see what kind of cars Obamamotors produces.

- Only turns hard left.

- painted pink

- runs on B.S. and taxpayer money

the possibilities are endliess

449 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:30:29am

re: #14 Pietr

Weed---Check this US Military Video, as they walk thru an Afghanistani WEED field...seems a few want to keep some...but it's a big field. Click on the vid when the page opens:

A'stan pot Field

This is absolutely hilarious and impressive at the same time. I loved the bit at the end where they pretended to use the weed as camoflauge.

The impressive part is that even in a country where the drugs are there for the picking our forces are professional and sober. Thats a lot of discipline for 18+ year old men and women.

450 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:30:34am

Mr Griffin said to call such people British was a sort of 'bloodless genocide' because it denied indigenous people their own identity.

Though this isn't in and of itself racism, it's a founding principle that enables it. If your identity is primarily based on your race or nationality, that doesn't reconcile with Dr King's great statement about content of character. This has to be one of the most fundamental issues of the subject.

In Hawaii we have the Kau Inoa movement, based largely in recreating a Hawaiian Kingdom with government, etc. You have to be '1/16th Hawaiian' whatever that means to be part of this Kingdom. While I don't want to be hyperbolic and compare Kau Inoa with the BNP, the basic construct that identity is primarily based in race and nationality/race seems to be shared.

As a true Mutt, I don't have a racial identity, other than EuroMutt. I guess I'll adopt Honcoism.

451 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:32:26am

re: #448 3 wood

It will be interesting to see what kind of cars Obamamotors produces.

- Only turns hard left.

- painted pink

- runs on B.S. and taxpayer money

the possibilities are endliess

Factory painted on COEXIST, Obama/Biden 2012, and save the whales bumper stickers.

452 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:32:38am

re: #444 3 wood
That's a helluva deal. The wife was laid off, worked less than 24 hours a week and the state of Wash. still hasn't paid her unemployment, it's only been 5 months! This is the same type of bureaucratic crap that wants to run health care.

453 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:33:18am

re: #427 Lincolntf

I don't know if this particular article has already been posted, but here's the "money shot" re: wages:

" ...UAW workers affected will be placed on temporary layoff and receive state unemployment benefits and company supplemental pay that roughly equals about 70% of their gross pay..."

So they get 70% of their pay from the taxpayers/GM and are eligible for unemployment benefits from the taxpayers.
Who do they work for again?


On the bright side the Michigan hunting and fishing industry will get a shot in the arm this summer along with beer sales. /

454 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:35:07am
455 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:36:02am

Petraeus to Pakistan: Forget About India

For more than six decades, Pakistan and India have been enemies: The two countries fought a series of wars, the most recent of which left an estimated 4,000 Pakistanis dead. And last year's spree killings in Mumbai were traced to a Pakistani militant group with government ties.

But yesterday, at a forum here at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, U.S. Central Command chief General David Petraeus had a message for the Pakistanis: Get over it. These days, your biggest enemy isn't India. It's home-grown extremists.

456 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:36:06am

re: #444 3 wood

Basically, they will get paid close to 100% plus benefits to do nothing for 9 weeks, by us taxpayers.

Let me get this straight:

Populist rage ensued when a thousand people got paid a few hundred million, and the perception was that they didn't do any work for it or they were overpaid (except for the guy who just killed himself after working long stressed out hours).

But when a few thousand people get paid a few hundred million to not work at all for 2 months on purpose, crickets...

457 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:37:47am

In the process of getting quotes to resurface our pool, we have been quoted prices for aggregate coatings and Pebble Tec coating. Have any Lizards used Pebble Tec? The price is higher but it has a lifetime warranty as opposed to a ten year warranty on the aggregate coating. The only negative I can find is that it is a much rougher surface than DiamondBrite.

458 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:40:08am

Don't look now, but here's another transitional fossil discovery...

Arctic fossil points to missing link between seals and land mammals


The fossil remains of a flipper-free mammal related to modern seals have been discovered in Nunavut by Ottawa researchers who stumbled upon them after their ATV ran out of gas.

Natalia Rybczynski, a paleontologist at the Canadian Museum of Nature, and her research team found the first bone of the ancient pinniped — the scientific group that includes seals, sea lions and walruses — while waiting for other team members to return with a jerry can of fuel during an expedition to a former crater lake on Devon Island in 2007. They named the animal, Puijila darwini.

459 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:40:30am

re: #451 KenJen

Factory painted on COEXIST, Obama/Biden 2012, and save the whales bumper stickers.

I saw a car thins morning (Honda Civic) with an Obama bumper sticker that had a green peace symbol (kinda squashed; almost triangular) for the capital O. I made sure to get in front of the woman, so she could read my bumper sticker, at a light.

I could see her in the mirror, reading it.

460 gegenkritik  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:41:31am

You surely remember this "Anti-Jihad"-meeting in Cologne last year, organized by rightwing-extremist group "pro Köln", where many prominent Euro-fascists attended.
Since this congress was in fact prevented (by an also ugly mob of thousands of partly violent leftists and muslims), "pro Köln" now tries to repeat the meeting in May.
According to the website pi-news, (Germany's largest anti-Islam-site, but with very close relationships to "pro Köln" and sympathies for Vlaams Belang), among prominent Eurofaschists, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer will appear at the congress.

461 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:42:06am

re: #458 Kenneth

Don't look now, but here's another transitional fossil discovery...

Arctic fossil points to missing link between seals and land mammals

Awww, it's so cute!

462 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:43:28am

re: #455 Kenneth

Petraeus to Pakistan: Forget About India

The problem is, are the extremists really their enemy?

463 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:43:30am

re: #459 Ward Cleaver

LOL...good morning Ward!

464 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:44:23am

Other than by a handful of right wing extremists, neither Israel nor the Jews of America are being scapegoated for the meltdown of the American economy and the emasculation of US foreign policy.

*hoping against hope*

465 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:45:38am

re: #421 rhino2

The unions have contracts with GM in which GM is obligated to make up most of the difference between the unemployment benefits and the union member's normal salaries.

AKA - They get paid nearly in full to not work, must be nice.

Actually, it's worse than that, even. The contracts and percentages were calculated long ago, and are now cast in stone, despite wages having decreased for recent hires. In many cases, 70% of pay plus full state unemployment benefits will amount to some making more than they would be making while on the job.

Why Michigan allows anyone collecting 70% of union wages to also collect unemployment benefits is beyond me.

Of course, as outrageous as all this is, I'm beginning to believe that those 9 week closures are going to wind up stretching out indefinitely. GM announced yesterday that they will default on $1 billion in loan repayments on June 1, the day after their government deadline for submitting a restructuring plan is due.

To me, this seems like an acceleration of GM's death spiral. If I were a line worker, I'd be shoveling money into the bank as fast as I possibly could, in anticipation of permanent factory closures.

466 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:47:22am

re: #459 Ward Cleaver

I saw a car thins morning (Honda Civic) with an Obama bumper sticker that had a green peace symbol (kinda squashed; almost triangular) for the capital O. I made sure to get in front of the woman, so she could read my bumper sticker, at a light.

I could see her in the mirror, reading it.

Love it! Im getting one. I'll put it on the dog mobile. We have a lot of libs around here and I dont want them hurting my good car.

467 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:47:54am

re: #462 Ward Cleaver

The problem is, are the extremists really their enemy?

We have seen the enemy, and it's us.

468 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:48:15am

re: #455 Kenneth

Petraeus to Pakistan: Forget About India

Pakistan is in deep, deep trouble. I hope to God that efforts are underway to remove their stockpile of nuclear weapons from the country. Collapse, and takeover by the Taliban, seem almost inevitable at this point.

469 Mithrax  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:48:43am

...

470 Timbre  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:48:44am
"Pay attention to this generation because they're going to rise up and take over the world and it's not going to be very long," said Steve Hildebrand, who served as Obama's deputy campaign manager.

He spoke yesterday at the University of Texas of the Permian Basin in Odessa, Texas. I wonder if the "not going to be very long" part was referring to the "rising up" or the "taking over?"

471 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:49:56am

Good morning you all - from a nice (58 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

472 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:50:25am

re: #464 Spare O'Lake

Other than by a handful of right wing extremists, neither Israel nor the Jews of America are being scapegoated for the meltdown of the American economy and the emasculation of US foreign policy.

*hoping against hope*

I have heard plenty of Leftists blame the Jews for wrecking the economy and Israel for controlling US foreign policy.

473 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:50:52am

re: #470 Timbre
The generation he's talking about is going to find out what's been done to their future and try to lock up everyone over 50 in Wal-Mart Re-Education camps! Except the 'Boomers' have them outnumbered!

474 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:51:02am

re: #458 Kenneth If God wanted us to find the missing links why didn't he preserve them all for us to find? //

475 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:51:49am

re: #471 realwest

{Realwest} Good morning, it's great to see ya! How are you?

476 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:52:08am

re: #471 realwest
Okay here RW, only 40 this am with a high of 65. Which is closer to normal than the 84 we had Monday!

477 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:52:32am

re: #471 realwest

Good morning you all - from a nice (58 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Good morning realwest.
I'm still on the right side of the dirt.
How are you doing?

478 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:54:18am

re: #455 Kenneth

Petraeus to Pakistan: Forget About India

Yeah, that'll really tell the Pakistanis who are as nationalistic as anyone. They'd much rather demonize the Indians than deal with the Islamist threat that is pretty much tearing Pakistan in two. Right now, Pakistan is truly two countries - the Taliban controlled Frontier provinces, and the part that Islamabad controls, which is shrinking by the day.

479 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:54:37am

re: #469 Mithrax

...

... --- ...!

480 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:55:16am

re: #475 Fluffy Bunny
Hi Fluffy Bunny - I'm doing ok, just the same old aches and pains (mostly my back!). Growing older sucks, even if it is better than the only alternative! LOL!
How are you doing today?

481 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:55:42am

re: #478 lawhawk

Yeah, that'll really tell the Pakistanis who are as nationalistic as anyone. They'd much rather demonize the Indians than deal with the Islamist threat that is pretty much tearing Pakistan in two. Right now, Pakistan is truly two countries - the Taliban controlled Frontier provinces, and the part that Islamabad controls, which is shrinking by the day.

Who's going to get nukes first - the Taliban or Iran?

482 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:55:53am

re: #478 lawhawk
If the Tally Ban did get control of the nukes, would they use them on India or try to get them out of the country to hit us or the Israelis?

483 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:56:03am

re: #468 SixDegrees

I think that any efforts to remove Paki's nuclear capability would have to be in the context of a full-blown war. Not very likely. Their nukes are what separate them from the Azerbaijians and Kyrgyzstans of the world. They'll never give them up.
The situation in Pakistan is a like a huge neon billboard flashing " Danger ahead, be on the lookout for Iranian nukes".
To state the most obvious of obvious points, if we wait until a country has nuclear weapons to confront that country, then we're dealing with a nuclear armed adversary instead of a conventionally armed adversary.
Which option sounds easier to deal with, Sec. Hillary and Pres. Barry?

484 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:56:04am

re: #479 rightside

... --- ...!

A very pointed discussion...

485 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:57:47am

re: #483 Lincolntf
PRESENT!

486 rhino2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:58:03am

Later Lizards, gotta get a little slep

487 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:58:09am

Which City?

For those shaking with rage about the treatment of America's enemies by
those sworn to protect us, I have small simple question for you: which city
in America are you prepared to lose as a result of your politically
motivated attacks against those who defended this country?

This is not some speculative exercise, or conversational ploy. Which city?
Tulsa? Certainly not Philadelphia, perhaps Phoenix or San Jose? I know,
Wilmington or St. Louis! Certainly not Washington or New York...

Please. Pick one. And let's hope it is only one.

In life, there are consequences to decisions. You have decided your curious
philosophy for defense of this nation is more appropriate and wiser for our defense. When an American city explodes, I, and a hell of a lot of
very angry people are going to say some very unpleasant things about your
ideas; most fair-minded thinking people will agree: the destruction of
___ (fill in the blank with a city) is the fault of the serial
dismantlement of America's defenses. The coming urbanicide might have been
prevented if our policies defended this country not its most virulent
enemies. You care more about the rights of confessed mass-murderer Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed than you do about my safety (it could be my city that burns) and
the safety of this nation.

There is no other way to put it. I am not saying torture should be our first
and only policy for dealing with our enemies. What I am saying is that
liberty can exist for our citizens and under, exigent circumstances, our
enemies must forfeit their rights so that our rights, the only rights that
ultimately matter, survive.

You believe in rules that prevent those charged with defending us from using
their best judgment to defend us. Now you are in power and you have made
choices. This is how our system works. I accept that. The policies of this
nation have now been "enlightened."

Know this: when the inevitable preventable disaster comes, you are
responsible for it. I am blaming you for it. I am doing so now because your
actions these last few days have opened the door to some terrible days to
come and I am dedicated to the proposition that people be held accountable
for their acts. I blame you. Liberals, leftists and Democrats, working
together are wrongfully persecuting the men and women who served as
guardians of our way of life. This is not just failing in your duty to
defend this country; your actions are making it easier for those who hate
this nation to strike a devastating blow. People are going to die because of
it. Because of you. Because of your ideas. Because of your arrogance and stupidity.

I do not dance with joy that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was tortured. But I shall never regret that multiple plots to destroy Los Angeles were divulged
in this manner. I cannot see how losing downtown LA would have benefited
this country or how Mohammed's "rights" outweigh the right of Angelenos not to be slaughtered en masse. You supposedly love our way of
life so much you regret thousands did not die or get injured. You just want the people who want to kill us not to be angry at us.

After 911 you asked the wrong question: "why do they hate us?" You should
have asked: "what do we do to prevent this from ever happening again?" 911
taught us the vulnerability of open societies to murdering nihilists. If you
asked Osama bin Laden why he hated us, prior to 911, he said the million
dead Iraqi babies killed by the US led embargo of Iraq. Not that there ever
were a million dead babies, with the Bin Laden's of this world, if they
cannot find a false excuse, they will invent one. It is who they are.

I have complete and utter contempt for you and your little witch hunt
against those who acted and authorized those to act on our behalf. For the
sin of saving American lives, they get the dubious honor of hiring lawyers,
at huge personal cost, to be hauled into a Democrat Star Chamber to be
lectured on how to REALLY defend our country.

/cont below

488 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:58:27am

/cont

In the future, if he values his career, no American officer will dare go the extra mile to save American lives. Why bother? Unless the officer is willing to take a chance facing your courts of second-guessing and substituted judgment, he will stop and not harm a hair on some little darling like KSM. Later, American children, along with their dogs, parents and cats, will die. How can they subject their families to your superior judgment? You give them the choice of defending the country and going to jail or not acting and failing in their duty. They won't or can't act so one day a city will burn.

So have your way, but whether you are a Senator or Congressman, lawyer,
activist or Judge, when that America city burns, it will be your turn in the
dock. I do not want to hear that you meant well, you didn't. People will be
dead and your criminal negligence will be this single major contributing factor. I do not want to hear that your vision of what America means cannot tolerate a
little suffering on the part of those who those would annihilate us all. No,
I want you tried for treason that resulting the in deaths of however many
died as a result of your actions. I want there to be real and hellacious
consequences for what you are doing. You do have the right to be wrong and I have the right to demand you be held accountable for it. I intend to
exercise the hell out of that right.

The world is not Kumbaya and Berkeley bull sessions. There is good in it, to
be sure; most people in this world do not want our collective deaths. Yet the
truth is that most nations and most governments on this earth are despotic
misery factories that crush their people's spirits and they turn around and
blame America for what they do to their people.

Add extremist religious and political beliefs and that is what produces a
bin Laden. America's enemies want to destroy you whether you are concerned
about your personal carbon footprint, fair trade or think Islam is a form of Arabian Buddhism. Apologizing to them and weakening this nation and our allies does not placate these folks, it encourages them. The totalitarian mind views weakness as an invitation.

You have chosen to play Russian Roulette with America's cities. 911 was
designed to bring our entire society to its knees. It very nearly succeeded
in destroying our economy and our government. We know that weak US response to terror incited our enemies and caused them to believe our nation was were weak and unwilling to fight for our way of life.


You could not have done a better job of reinforcing this thinking in our
enemies if you tried. As your Golden Child, Obama, reaches out to the terror
masters in Tehran, whose hands drip with American blood, these barbarians,
who have never deviated from desiring our destruction as their entire raison
d'etre, are training and arming themselves with the nuclear means. They mean
us all harm.

Do not ever again say, "Oh, we did not know." We do know. If the world did
not learn in 1939, then lesson should have been clear when the USSR
blockaded Berlin, invaded Hungary, and Afghanistan. And let's not forget the
US Embassy Hostage Crisis attack with Iran. You still hadn't learned. You got the lesson of 911 wrong and are teeing us up for the next lesson to be named later.

Appeasement of totalitarian forces ALWAYS invites attack- the only question
is when and by whom. In fact, I challenge you to name a single instance in
human history in which appeasement worked. We have the lessons of what works all the time, strength and determination. Every time we stood for our
liberty and forced totalitarianism to bend we were better off: the
demand for unconditional surrender brought us VE and VJ Day, the Berlin Airlift, Containment, Inchon, bombing Haiphong, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Star Wars, the 1980s rearmament, the first Gulf War and, yes, the conquest of Afghanistan
in 2001.

/cont below

489 Mithrax  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:58:49am

Odd, I know not where my message went.

Was just stating that In Detroit-North, there's been no news of the plant being shut down. Because it isn't a US plant. Whenever news is leaked, they're very clear about US or North American plants. I suspect that some of the overseas plants won't be closing, which should cause a major shitstorm.

490 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:59:11am

re: #473 pingjockey

The generation he's talking about is going to find out what's been done to their future and try to lock up everyone over 50 in Wal-Mart Re-Education camps! Except the 'Boomers' have them outnumbered!


and
re: #476 pingjockey
Good morning ping! I'm doing ok and it sounds like you're gonna have some nice weather - we're supposed to get up to 88 degrees on Saturday! WooT!
As for the younger generation: let's see 'em live through some really hard times and come out the other side as still decent human beings, then tell me about how they are gonna "rise up and take over this country."
And we not only have 'em outnumbered, we're a lot smarter than they are too.

491 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:59:56am

History says I am right. The future will prove you are wrong. I only pray
there is something left of this country to permanently punish your ideology
until the end of time. If an American city burns let its fire not go out
until infantilism, appeasement and liberal guilt are cauterized from the
national soul.

Nor will I sit idle during the current witch hunt. I hope veterans and lovers of
liberty will rise to stand in defense of our defenders. On the day of your
first hearing, let us circle the Capitol by the thousands and shout these
miserable creatures down with a full-throated roar that shakes these weak, feckless, useless cretins to their core. Let us get in the faces of these Monday Morning
Quarterbacks now. Our guardians had our backs and saved American lives. Let
us race to their defense. Let us ask our fellow Americans if they prefer dead
Americans or an abused (but 100% intact with no scars) KSM. It is A or B.
Choose America. Let no prosecution and no hearing go unanswered. I will
personally write an appeal of EVERY conviction and it will be signed, not
just by me, but hopefully by millions more who agree with me. We can do no
less. Lives are at stake, perhaps yours, perhaps mine. We will not be
silent. We will not stand idle. We will defend our liberty even if our
leaders spit our faces while we do so.

Bring it. Prove once and for all you are unworthy and incapable of defending
this nation so you can finally be cast into the political wilderness for all
times. Once there were Democrats who defended this country. Scoop Jackson,
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, LBJ, JFK and Harry Truman believed liberty requires
protection and was worth defending. But they are gone now and with them a party worthy of leading this nation much less the free world.

Game on!

492 justabill  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:00:17am

re: #50 rawmuse

I viewed them on my 50" HDTV, which doubles as my monitor.

You might want to be careful with that, plasmas are somewhat prone to burn in, and use as a monitor tends to display the same thing in the same spot more often than normal TV use.

493 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:00:31am

re: #477 Spare O'Lake
Hey! Well I woke up on the right side of the grass myself and I guess that means I'm doing ok, too! LOL!

494 badger1970  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:00:40am

Good morning all. Lily Tomlin, the scary girl in the big chair; Hillary is just a scary woman in a laz-y-boy.

I know the one picked her in order to marginalize her importance but dang, if this world isn't scary enough...duck and cover.

495 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:01:03am

re: #490 realwest
Yep. Rhetoric is cheap. So far it appears the under 40s are completely enamored with the one and his socialist policies. Understand not all under 40s, but IMO, a significant number.

496 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:01:24am

re: #479 rightside
ROFL! Good morning to you!

497 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:01:53am

I am really heartened by the great stuff going on in Pakistan...

I guess that is our fault as well...

I still say we are so fucked.

498 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:02:25am

BBIAB

499 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:03:39am

re: #483 Lincolntf
Hey there Lincolntf! Since Barry campaigned on the idea of the US invading Pakistan when even that three card monte dealer ("look here, not there") had to know Pakistan has nukes, I wouldn't be surprised at what he'd answer.

500 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:04:00am

re: #482 pingjockey

If the Tally Ban did get control of the nukes, would they use them on India or try to get them out of the country to hit us or the Israelis?

I think the Taliban is more likely to hit India and the US than Israel. Most likely, we'd see attacks in India; that is the easiest, and has the most support in Pakistan (over Kashmir). However, a nuclear attack in India would result in a nuclear war; India wouldn't just take it.

It would be somewhat harder to get a nuke to Israel, but it still could be done overland, with terrorist groups smuggling it.

Getting one to the US would probably have to be done on a cargo container. Come to think of it, they'd have to ship it before attacking India, because afterwards, all cargo from that part of the world is going to get very carefully inspected.

501 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:04:02am

the Pakis, the Norks, the Iranians...maniacs...
if you will use treachery to kill 3000 people you will use a nuke to kill 300,000...if you are capable of genocidal murder of hundreds of thousands you are capable of murdering millions...it is a safe bet that someone is going to get nuked as world events spiral downword...but I don't think it will be the US

502 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:04:19am

Anyone here have any luck clicking on the "GE shareholders/MSNBC" headline at Drudge? I've clicked it a handful of times and the syory never loads.

503 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:05:01am

re: #487 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Amen.

I live in NYC and I fully expect that if stay here, I will be killed in the great attack that might come...

504 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:05:58am

re: #480 realwest

re: #480 realwest

Hi Fluffy Bunny - I'm doing ok, just the same old aches and pains (mostly my back!). Growing older sucks, even if it is better than the only alternative! LOL!
How are you doing today?

Amen, brother! : D

Have you tried massage therapy for your back? It has worked wonders for a friend of ours who has a similar diagnosis. I am fine, thanks. Had my appointment/lab work Tuesday and go back next Tuesday for the CT. Then back to see the Doc the following Tuesday.

505 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:06:19am

re: #499 realwest

Morning RW. I saw you mentioned our weather earlier. I can't wait for the 70's and 80's to be the norm. In November I bought a floating beverage cooler thing for the pool and I'm dying to try it out!

506 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:07:04am

re: #463 Fluffy Bunny

LOL...good morning Ward!

Good morning Fluffy. Yes, now I seek out cars with Obama stickers.

How did your oncologist visit go?

507 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:07:20am

re: #502 Lincolntf

Anyone here have any luck clicking on the "GE shareholders/MSNBC" headline at Drudge? I've clicked it a handful of times and the syory never loads.

There was some great stuff from that meeting... Mics were cut off when questions were too tough for Immelt.

508 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:08:31am

re: #491 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Add to this the weak attempts of the world to get Iran to stop its nuclear program. That one goes back to GWB, but 0bama is even weaker.

509 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:09:54am

re: #501 albusteve

the Pakis, the Norks, the Iranians...maniacs...
if you will use treachery to kill 3000 people you will use a nuke to kill 300,000...if you are capable of genocidal murder of hundreds of thousands you are capable of murdering millions...it is a safe bet that someone is going to get nuked as world events spiral downword...but I don't think it will be the US

perhaps, but one carefully placed nuke in the US would remove us as a global player. DC or NYC would, in my humble estimation, hobble us indefinately.

510 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:12:29am

re: #506 Ward Cleaver

re: #506 Ward Cleaver


Thinking we should put one on the Suburban, that should really piss them off! ; )

It went well, I was impressed with the Doctor, even if he did look young enough to be my son. They just keep getting younger and younger...sigh.

511 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:12:56am

re: #509 Leonidas Hoplite

perhaps, but one carefully placed nuke in the US would remove us as a global player. DC or NYC would, in my humble estimation, hobble us indefinately.

our ace in the hole is massive retaliation, but that may not be a deterrent any more

512 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:13:22am

re: #502 Lincolntf

Anyone here have any luck clicking on the "GE shareholders/MSNBC" headline at Drudge? I've clicked it a handful of times and the syory never loads.

No luck either and I really wanted to see that. I think the site must be swamped. Morning all, what are you talking about?

513 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:13:50am

re: #500 Kosh's Shadow
I really don't know if the Tally Ban is crazy enough to nuke India, OTOH, we're seen as weak and won't retaliate massively if they can get away with it. The Israelis will have no compuntions about retaliating in kind if they get hit. I don't think this admin will know what to do if we lose a city, study groups perhaps on why 'they' are mad at us.

514 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:14:11am

re: #491 Ayatollah Ghilmeini I simply don't know how you do it. Post after post after post - always well thought out and well written. Thank you for that (those?) posts.

But one quibble and one serious disagreement: I think "Game On" was not necessarily the best way to end that wonderful comment. And no, I don't have a better way to end it, other than "We are watching and taking notes" or some such.
My serious disagreement is that I don't think an American City is gonna go up in flames: the Islamic Jihadists already have what they have been so desperately seeking: a militarily neutered USA. No longer do they need worry about getting killed by the truck loads in Iraq; no more Tora Bora's for them in Afghanistan. They have every reason to believe that they can get what they want PEACEFULLY now, so why risk a "Right wing" backlash by attacking a US City?

515 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:14:24am

re: #484 Spare O'Lake

A very pointed discussion...

dots a fair description.

516 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:15:19am

Good morning, folks. Do we have any Austin lizards around, or people familiar with Austin? My husband is being considered for a job there and I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about the place than I do.

517 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:15:41am

I seem to be stuttering this morning...no idea what is up with the double replies.

518 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:15:52am

re: #511 albusteve

our ace in the hole is massive retaliation, but that may not be a deterrent any more

It's not a deterrant tothe IslamoNazi's. In addition, I'm not 100% sure there would be massive retaliation with this Administration because of the fear it would 'spread hate'.

519 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:15:58am

re: #489 Mithrax

Odd, I know not where my message went.

Was just stating that In Detroit-North, there's been no news of the plant being shut down. Because it isn't a US plant. Whenever news is leaked, they're very clear about US or North American plants. I suspect that some of the overseas plants won't be closing, which should cause a major shitstorm.

GM is withholding "official" announcements until they've given details to the UAW.

520 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:16:04am

re: #509 Leonidas Hoplite

perhaps, but one carefully placed nuke in the US would remove us as a global player. DC or NYC would, in my humble estimation, hobble us indefinately.

You might be right, but I doubt it. The more likely result would be for the USA to nuke the axis of evil into oblivion.

521 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:17:05am

re: #491 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

re: #495 pingjockey

... So far it appears the under 40s are completely enamored with the one and his socialist policies. Understand not all under 40s, but IMO, a significant number.

I am seeing that too. Remember the "generation gap" from the 60s?

522 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:17:16am

re: #496 realwest

Morning Realwest!

523 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:17:22am

re: #511 albusteve

our ace in the hole is massive retaliation, but that may not be a deterrent any more

Yup; that only works when you're dealing with a rational adversary.

Religious zealots don't fit that category.

524 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:17:28am

re: #516 doppelganglander

Good morning, folks. Do we have any Austin lizards around, or people familiar with Austin? My husband is being considered for a job there and I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about the place than I do.

live music Center of the Known Universe... not to mention home of the Longhorns..and it's in Texas too!

525 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:17:56am

re: #520 Spare O'Lake
I don't know. If the Tally Ban is not a nation state, we can't zap Pakistan indiscrimanetly. Too many innocent folks.

526 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:18:33am

re: #511 albusteve

our ace in the hole is massive retaliation, but that may not be a deterrent any more

I agree that massive retaliation is still a useful deterrent against viable nation states like Russia, China, and even Iran. I don't think it's much of a deterrent against the fanatics that don't care about innocent lives in their own countries, as an organization like the Taliban or Al-Qaeda is intra-national. We couldn't massively retaliate against them, and if we did (hypothetically against Pakistan) they wouldn't care. And, let's face it, if it did happen here and the Taliban was the perpetrator, it would make Russia, China and Iran very happy.

527 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:18:50am
528 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:19:06am

re: #521 unreconstructed rebel
Yep. I was just a kid. Funny how the ones raising hell with the establishment are now the establishment and screwing up royally!

529 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #510 Fluffy Bunny

re: #506 Ward Cleaver

Thinking we should put one on the Suburban, that should really piss them off! ; )

It went well, I was impressed with the Doctor, even if he did look young enough to be my son. They just keep getting younger and younger...sigh.

So it was good news then?

530 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:20:18am

We have a certified idiot as head of the DHS.

531 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:20:19am

re: #516 doppelganglander

Good morning, folks. Do we have any Austin lizards around, or people familiar with Austin? My husband is being considered for a job there and I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about the place than I do.

Never been to Austin but a very liberal friend of turn's sister lives there. She told me there are a lot liberals who live there.

532 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:20:28am

re: #523 SixDegrees

Yup; that only works when you're dealing with a rational adversary.

Religious zealots don't fit that category.

but it is there and would surly be considered...it is the will of Allah

533 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:20:49am

re: #491 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Excellent.

534 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:21:03am

re: #532 albusteve
Aloha Snackbar!

535 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:21:35am

re: #519 SixDegrees

GM is withholding "official" announcements until they've given details to the UAW.

True; they tell the employees first, then the media.

536 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:21:38am

re: #500 Kosh's Shadow

If the Taliban/Al Qaeda get hold of a Pakistani nuke, the most likely root out of the country will be in the private jet of a Gulf Sheik. From there onto a boat, from a boat on to a harbor in Europe or the US.

537 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:21:43am
538 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:21:49am

re: #520 Spare O'Lake

You might be right, but I doubt it. The more likely result would be for the USA to nuke the axis of evil into oblivion.

We certainly could do that though I am doubtful the current administration would. I think in that highly unlikely event the reaction would be to pull back behind our own borders, circle the wagons, and disengage, leaving room for China, Russia and Iran to exploit the power vacuum.

I readily agree that the probability is highly unlikely.

539 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:21:51am

Good morning, lizardia.

I got a bit depressed yesterday, after reading the comments of certain former lizards on some of the other sites. It made me rather sad to see that some former commentors have little else to do but attack us and attack Charles. Some of these commentors had been decent ones in the past but could not get over their own issues. Some of them were the nastiest personalities, and I am glad they are gone.

A fair number of these seem to be the creationist types who just cannot get over the fact that maybe they might just be wrong. I read one yesterday who left LGF a few months ago, and then she tried to claim that she was banned for simply being a Christian. I was saddened because I knew this not to be true. Charles has never attacked Christianity here, just the young-earth creationist nonsense that the Discovery Institute and others are trying to get into public schools. I have seen other former commentors saying the same thing, playing the victim when they damn well know what they did to get banned. If they feel that way that their faith is attacked whenever someone shows the DI and Intelligent Design to be the idiotarianism that it is, then they have faith in the DI and ID, not in God, IMHO.

It just distrubed me yesterday to see these comments on the blogs Charles had linked to. I've also seen others on the stalker sites that disturb me. One posts AtS and often uses clown imagry in his comments. The moron still can't figure out that it was his backstabbing with his buddies there that got him banned. Yet, he continues to compare us and Charles to clowns. The laughter is at him though, as he is an assclown who can't get over his banning.

Then there's the counterfeit site with all its mean-spiritedness. They claim to offer an alternative to here, but they tend to be very mean-spirited and ugly with many posts about how they hate us and Charles. Some of them have threatened Charles and some lizard commentors. They seem to live to spread mis-information and dis-information. In many ways, they act as the worst of the Kos Kids and Huffington Post commentors. Angry with us for exposing them for the idiotarians they are. It makes me both sad and angry that they continue to do this.

Anyway, pardon my comment. I just had to get this out because it started to bother me yesterday after having read those nasty comments by former commentors. I just don't see why they need to be so nasty. Charles strikes me as a decent person, and more patient with some of them than I might have been. A patience that we all can admire.

540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:14am

re: #525 pingjockey

I don't know. If the Tally Ban is not a nation state, we can't zap Pakistan indiscrimanetly. Too many innocent folks.

I really don't believe that President Obama wants his place in history to be the man who nuked a "poor muslim country," especially given his thoughts on nuclear weapons.

541 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:16am

re: #525 pingjockey

I don't know. If the Tally Ban is not a nation state, we can't zap Pakistan indiscrimanetly. Too many innocent folks.

Perhaps, but one should not underestimate the extent of the murderous and bloodthirsty rage that would likely be unleashed by such an attack on the US homeland.

542 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:36am

re: #527 buzzsawmonkey

That way, he can have material which damns members of the prior administration--keeping the BDS perpetual-motion machine grinding away--and mollify the nutroots, but he will not have to take any action since the committee will have no formal power.

I should have kept the copy of the "Washington Post Express" (free mini-WaPo handed out at Metro stations and other places) from this morning. There was a "news" piece describing how poor Obama "continues to be haunted by the legacy of the Bush Administration", which he had "hoped to put behind him" but which the torture! memos have, utterly totally completely 100% against his will, thrust back into the limelight.

Obama is the real victim here!

Good morning.

543 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:48am

re: #511 albusteve

our ace in the hole is massive retaliation, but that may not be a deterrent any more

Massive retaliation is not a deterrent against an ideologically and religiously motivated attack. That's why it's so difficult to defend against suicide bombers in the first place - they are that determined to die in the name of jihad that they'll do anything. A regime with the same mindset can and will do the same, regardless of the consequences to the millions of people in their country.

It's folly to consider that Iran is rationally responding in a power politics scenario. They're gaming the situation to their advantage and are playing by a different set of rules. They are not only using the shortfalls of the existing international regime (UN, IAEA, etc.) but the inability of the world powers to agree (benefiting from US, Russia and China squabbles over action, wording, etc.).

So, with each passing day, Iran moves closer to having the nuclear materials needed to build a weapon. The question then becomes who would be the targets.

They have many, not the least of which is any Sunni dominated country as payback for centuries of Shi'a persecution by the Sunnis. The Iranians want to dominate the region, and taking out the Sunni powers- whether it's Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, would be high on the list. Taking out Israel is also high on the list, but then again , so is taking on the US and Europeans, particularly in lands that were formerly part of the Ottoman Empire and various caliphates over time - Spain, Turkey, into Central Europe, etc.

544 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:54am

re: #513 pingjockey

I really don't know if the Tally Ban is crazy enough to nuke India, OTOH, we're seen as weak and won't retaliate massively if they can get away with it. The Israelis will have no compuntions about retaliating in kind if they get hit. I don't think this admin will know what to do if we lose a city, study groups perhaps on why 'they' are mad at us.

And apologize.

545 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:58am

re: #531 turn

Never been to Austin but a very liberal friend of turn's sister lives there. She told me there are a lot liberals who live there.

I think if you move further out (Round Rock, Pflugerville, etc.), it's not as moonbatty.

546 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:58am

re: #511 albusteve

our ace in the hole is massive retaliation, but that may not be a deterrent any more

That's the problem with terrorism. Where do you retaliate against?
You have to know where the bomb came from and who planted it, and know where they are to attack. I doubt enough Al Qaeda would stay together to make it worth a nuke.
And if you know it was from Pakistan, for example, do you kill millions of Pakistanis because their government wasn't strong enough to keep protect their nukes?
Iran is a different matter, because it is clearly the government running the nuclear program.

547 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:23:49am

re: #539 Honorary Yooper

Good morning, lizardia.

I got a bit depressed yesterday, after reading the comments of certain former lizards on some of the other sites. It made me rather sad to see that some former commentors have little else to do but attack us and attack Charles. Some of these commentors had been decent ones in the past but could not get over their own issues. Some of them were the nastiest personalities, and I am glad they are gone.

A fair number of these seem to be the creationist types who just cannot get over the fact that maybe they might just be wrong. I read one yesterday who left LGF a few months ago, and then she tried to claim that she was banned for simply being a Christian. I was saddened because I knew this not to be true. Charles has never attacked Christianity here, just the young-earth creationist nonsense that the Discovery Institute and others are trying to get into public schools. I have seen other former commentors saying the same thing, playing the victim when they damn well know what they did to get banned. If they feel that way that their faith is attacked whenever someone shows the DI and Intelligent Design to be the idiotarianism that it is, then they have faith in the DI and ID, not in God, IMHO.

It just distrubed me yesterday to see these comments on the blogs Charles had linked to. I've also seen others on the stalker sites that disturb me. One posts AtS and often uses clown imagry in his comments. The moron still can't figure out that it was his backstabbing with his buddies there that got him banned. Yet, he continues to compare us and Charles to clowns. The laughter is at him though, as he is an assclown who can't get over his banning.

Then there's the counterfeit site with all its mean-spiritedness. They claim to offer an alternative to here, but they tend to be very mean-spirited and ugly with many posts about how they hate us and Charles. Some of them have threatened Charles and some lizard commentors. They seem to live to spread mis-information and dis-information. In many ways, they act as the worst of the Kos Kids and Huffington Post commentors. Angry with us for exposing them for the idiotarians they are. It makes me both sad and angry that they continue to do this.

Anyway, pardon my comment. I just had to get this out because it started to bother me yesterday after having read those nasty comments by former commentors. I just don't see why they need to be so nasty. Charles strikes me as a decent person, and more patient with some of them than I might have been. A patience that we all can admire.

HY, that's why I don't read that crap. Hang in there, man.

548 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:39am

re: #540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #541 Spare O'Lake
I hate the damn things. Most folks in the military do to. To damn inaccurate, may not get the real bad guys.

549 badger1970  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:42am

re: #516 doppelganglander

I've been living in Round Rock for the last 10 years but haven't had to commute there for the last 4 (laid off, Dell, got a nice job in a rural community).

There's a whole slew full of expanding communities surrounding Austin that nice affordable housing can be found along with a so-so commute. I'm sure other lizards can give you more detailed info.

Austin, the live music capital of the world and it's unofficial slogan is "Keep Austin Weird".

550 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:51am

re: #530 pingjockey

We have a certified idiot as head of the DHS.

Certified by the Senate, which approved her nomination despite her lack of experience and qualifications.

The fact that she doesn't consider illegal aliens crossing into the US to be a crime shows her utter lack of seriousness about national security and border control. That she thinks that the 9/11 terrorists entered from Canada shows she's historically illiterate.

It's a 9/10 mindset, and she's responsible for US homeland security?

That goes to Obama's judgment in who should head the agency. That's yet another fail on his part.

551 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:59am

re: #537 Iron Fist

I'd kind of expected the hydroshocks to stay around longer, as they were going a buck fifty a shell.

Holy samoyeds! In what caliber?!

552 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:25:07am

re: #520 Spare O'Lake

You might be right, but I doubt it. The more likely result would be for the USA to nuke the axis of evil into oblivion.

Iran, Iraq and North Korea?

Anyway, such retaliation would be pointless. The enemy is diffused over a wide area, dispersed within civilian populations and not bound to any sovereign state or government. And they thrive in times and places of chaos and lack of control, which widespread scouring with nuclear weapons would surely bring about over a huge area far beyond our ability to exert meaningful control over. In this instance, nuclear retaliation just isn't a workable option. It would solve nothing.

Far better to seize the upper hand now, before such a problem comes into existence, and take the international bitching that would result as an inevitable cost of doing thing properly.

553 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:25:50am

re: #524 albusteve

live music Center of the Known Universe... not to mention home of the Longhorns..and it's in Texas too!

Austin is a nice town, I won't deny that. San Antonio is nice, too.

554 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:25:58am

re: #536 Kenneth

If the Taliban/Al Qaeda get hold of a Pakistani nuke, the most likely root out of the country will be in the private jet of a Gulf Sheik. From there onto a boat, from a boat on to a harbor in Europe or the US.

I'm not sure a sheik would do that. If the plane triggered a radiation detector, not only would he be in trouble, but so would his country.

555 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:26:40am

re: #550 lawhawk
That's what we're back to, a 9/10 mindset and it's going to get a lot of people killed.

556 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:26:50am

re: #526 Leonidas Hoplite

I agree that massive retaliation is still a useful deterrent against viable nation states like Russia, China, and even Iran. I don't think it's much of a deterrent against the fanatics that don't care about innocent lives in their own countries, as an organization like the Taliban or Al-Qaeda is intra-national. We couldn't massively retaliate against them, and if we did (hypothetically against Pakistan) they wouldn't care. And, let's face it, if it did happen here and the Taliban was the perpetrator, it would make Russia, China and Iran very happy.

AQ would indeed nuke us if they could, but I have a feeling the Taliban just wants their own turf and be left alone for the most part...they are truly Neandethals with AKs...the more sophisticated AQ got the easier it seemed to be to destroy them...maybe I've got it wrong tho

557 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:26:52am

re: #552 SixDegrees

Far better to seize the upper hand now, before such a problem comes into existence, and take the international bitching that would result as an inevitable cost of doing thing properly.

Agree with 100%, I do. Obama and company have not the foresight, though, don't you think?

558 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:27:03am

re: #550 lawhawk

Certified by the Senate, which approved her nomination despite her lack of experience and qualifications.

The fact that she doesn't consider illegal aliens crossing into the US to be a crime shows her utter lack of seriousness about national security and border control. That she thinks that the 9/11 terrorists entered from Canada shows she's historically illiterate.

It's a 9/10 mindset, and she's responsible for US homeland security?

That goes to Obama's judgment in who should head the agency. That's yet another fail on his part.

Ideology trumps everything else.

559 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #504 Fluffy Bunny
Hi again - I've briefly considered massage therapy, but really am starting to feel the need to get an Orthopedic doc to check it out. But first I gotta call my Oncologist this morning and find out if he thinks it's related to my cancer (while prostate cancer usually metastases to bone first, then to kidney, lung, liver etc. I always check EVERYTHING (hello is that an ingrown toenail - QUICK, call the Oncologist!). I expect he'll say no it isn't.

There are a lot of things my painful back COULD be caused by - and since the pain is usually after I do any "significant" amount of walking, I'm inclined to believe that it's muscular/Skeletal in nature. But first the Onc!
Then the ER (I discovered that down here, if I call my internist, he'll examine me, have me take flat x-rays in his office, send me to an Orthopedist, who will send me for a full body fine bone scan or an MRI (usually MRI first, then when it doesn't show anything, a full body FBS) and I don't want to waste all that time and money doing that, so I go to the ER across the street and they usually get to the bottom of the problem the fastest.
I sure wish you the very best of luck with all your medical tests, and whatnot.
Why is it that everything you've done and have scheduled to do is on a Tuesday? Is that a day off for you or is that just how things worked out for you?

560 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:28:10am

re: #552 SixDegrees

Far better to seize the upper hand now, before such a problem comes into existence, and take the international bitching that would result as an inevitable cost of doing thing properly.

I think Obama will get right on that... the day after we each get our free unicorn.

561 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:28:55am

re: #560 Occasional Reader

I think Obama will get right on that... the day after we each get our free unicorn.

Honco humor at its best!

562 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:28:58am

re: #547 Ward Cleaver

HY, that's why I don't read that crap. Hang in there, man.

Nah, it's just tiring of seeing this crap these folks peddle day in and day out about us here. I'm sick of the lies they pass around.

563 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:29:00am
564 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:29:47am

re: #509 Leonidas Hoplite
Respectfully, there is another target in the US which I won't name that would hurt us more than D.C. or NYC.
If y'all think about it hard enough, you'll figure it out.

565 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #15 Fenway_Nation

If you want to win the Miss USA pageant, you now need to tow the canned proggie line.

566 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:47am

re: #550 lawhawk

The fact that she doesn't consider illegal aliens crossing into the US to be a crime shows her utter lack of seriousness about national security and border control. That she thinks that the 9/11 terrorists entered from Canada shows she's historically illiterate.

On the first point; her statement was half-true, but sloppy. Of course it's not a "crime to cross a border"... although it's a crime to do so, well, illegally. (And it's also not a crime to overstay a visa; civil matter entirely.)

On the second point... I missed that. Criminy. Did she really say they came in from Canada?!

567 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:31:05am

re: #562 Honorary Yooper
Just think positive, they aren't here harrassing us. They are like the dogs barking at the caravan. Covered in fleas and not going anywhere!
They do flip Charles a boatload of crap, but he has thick skin and can hold his own against the whinning horde.

568 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:31:17am
In a joint statement, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said prosecuting Bush administration officials for their legal opinions would have a "deeply chilling effect" on any administration receiving legal advice. And they said a commission would "focus on the mistakes of the past" instead of "looking forward to solutions." WaPo - 4/23/09

Gentelmen, I am glad you are raising the issue. But is "chilling effect" the real point. or that we are deciding to criminalize having a legal opinion?

569 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:31:19am

re: #545 Ward Cleaver

I think if you move further out (Round Rock, Pflugerville, etc.), it's not as moonbatty.

Oh, thanks. Morning Ward. btw the father of that very liberal friend of mine was very high up in the Sierra Club here in CA and her brother is the attorney who was instrumental in shutting down the Rancho Seco nuke plant. FWIW

570 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:32:54am

re: #529 Ward Cleaver

No news yet, I have to wait for the test results. But we did discuss the proposed surgery and I feel confident that this doc can handle it. I'm ready to get started and get this ordeal behind me.

It means alot to me that you thought of me, thank you.

571 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:33:12am

re: #564 realwest

Respectfully, there is another target in the US which I won't name that would hurt us more than D.C. or NYC.
If y'all think about it hard enough, you'll figure it out.

The Baldwin Brothers estate?

572 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:33:27am

Ideology? Idiocy? or Inexperience? (I?I?I?) Every time I hear another crazy idea from Obama I ask myself -Which applies here?

573 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:34:11am

re: #546 Kosh's Shadow

That's the problem with terrorism. Where do you retaliate against?
You have to know where the bomb came from and who planted it, and know where they are to attack. I doubt enough Al Qaeda would stay together to make it worth a nuke.
And if you know it was from Pakistan, for example, do you kill millions of Pakistanis because their government wasn't strong enough to keep protect their nukes?
Iran is a different matter, because it is clearly the government running the nuclear program.

Agree.

We ought to be cutting deals with China on this one. China provided a huge amount of support in developing Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, and likely has valuable knowledge concerning it's resources and deployment. And atomic weapons in the hands of Muslim lunatics is as much a concern to China as it is to us. Russia, too, for that matter. Best outcome would be for the three superpowers to coordinate an operation securing all nuclear facilities and weaponry at the first hint of Taliban supremacy - or even slightly beforehand. In exchange - who cares? Let Russia have Pakistan, and let China have Taiwan if that's the price; it's worth it. And let the rest of the world howl their sorry asses off.

Oh, wait - did I just invent the Trilateral Commission?

Tough.

574 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #572 KenJen

Ideology? Idiocy? or Inexperience? (I?I?I?) Every time I hear another crazy idea from Obama I ask myself -Which applies here?

Funny, the multiple I's for an egotist.

575 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:34:26am

re: #572 KenJen
I vote for 1 and 2. He has people advising him on all of this crap.

576 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:34:41am

re: #564 realwest

Respectfully, there is another target in the US which I won't name that would hurt us more than D.C. or NYC.
If y'all think about it hard enough, you'll figure it out.

Oh God, not Miami Beach!

577 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:35:15am

re: #565 FrogMarch

If you want to win the Miss USA pageant, you now need to tow the canned proggie line.

Just one more reason why I'll never win it.

578 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:35:38am

re: #554 Kosh's Shadow

I'm not sure a sheik would do that. If the plane triggered a radiation detector, not only would he be in trouble, but so would his country.

it's nice to be a tourist...I love Texas but ABQ is so different and unique I could never leave... but if I had to, I'd bug out straight over the line for Texas in a heartbeat amigo

579 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:36:37am

re: #565 FrogMarch

If you want to win the Miss USA pageant, you now need to tow toe the canned proggie line.

(When pedants attack!...)

580 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:36:49am

re: #554 Kosh's Shadow

I have no idea how a nuclear attack would be executed on US soil, but I would not count on fear of being exposed to stop people from doing it. It only takes a few corrupted higher-ups and a few paid off underlings to smuggle pretty much anything anywhere in the world. How these people would get their hands on the nuke is the far larger question. Theft, (with the endorsement of a Gov't or not) is a possibility. So is buying one from NoKo or the old USSR countries. Either way, the current situation is already a catastrophe waiting to happen, and if Iran gets nukes then the potential for catastrophe ratchets up tenfold.

581 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:37:19am

re: #573 SixDegrees

Let Russia have Pakistan

Second prize is two Pakistans.

582 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:37:33am

re: #520 Spare O'Lake

You might be right, but I doubt it. The more likely result would be for the USA to nuke the axis of evil into oblivion.


With Obama as POTUS? Surely you jest! I sincerely doubt that Obama would retaliate without first trying to figure out why the nuked us in the first place. It's the way his mind works. They couldn't possibly dislike HIM, so why did they do it, what is the USA doing wrong?

583 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:37:43am

re: #566 Occasional Reader

On the first point; her statement was half-true, but sloppy. Of course it's not a "crime to cross a border"... although it's a crime to do so, well, illegally. (And it's also not a crime to overstay a visa; civil matter entirely.)

On the second point... I missed that. Criminy. Did she really say they came in from Canada?!

Indeed, she did say that the 9/11 terrorists entered the US from Canada:

JN: Look, the comment you read of course was taken out of context. The law doesn't differentiate. The law says the borders are the borders and these are the kind of things that have to be done at the borders.

Secondly, yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on, it didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year. Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there.

NM: Are you talking about the 9/11 perpetrators?

JN: Not just those but others as well. So again, every country is entitled to have a border. It's part of sovereignty. It's part of knowing who's in the country.

We have very dissimilar visa requirements. We want to work with Canada. Canada is such a close friend and ally and good friends with the United States. But I think we've all agreed that it makes sense to have a real border structure there. And again the law in the United States does not differentiate between the Mexican border and the Canadian border, so from my standpoint as the implementer of the law, that's what I'm dealing with.

NM: You know you mention terrorism, and there have been a lot of prominent American officials, including Secretary of State [Hillary] Clinton when she was a senator and a number of other congressmen and senators, that have said that there has to be tighter security because a lot of the 9/11 perpetrators came in through Canada.

The fact, of course, is that they didn't. They all came directly into the States, sometimes with U.S. visas. Senator [Charles] Schumer cited terrorists crossing at Buffalo, and then had to concede that that hadn't happened. I think there's kind of a popular misconception in this country that Canadians have been battling for a long time that we're somehow a nest of terrorism. But in reality it's not the case. And why is that view so common here?

That's where she throws down on the 9/11 terrorists entering via Canada - rather than directly entering the US from Germany and points elsewhere.

584 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:37:45am

re: #570 Fluffy Bunny

No news yet, I have to wait for the test results. But we did discuss the proposed surgery and I feel confident that this doc can handle it. I'm ready to get started and get this ordeal behind me.

It means alot to me that you thought of me, thank you.

All right, hang in there. It's good to find an oncologist that you can trust. Is the doc focused on your nutrition, too? You should be avoiding sugar (cancer feeds on it), and anything with white flour. Eat lots of fruits and (raw) vegetables. A good book to pick up is Beating Cancer With Nutrition, by Dr. Patrick Quillin.

585 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:38:08am

re: #557 Leonidas Hoplite

Agree with 100%, I do. Obama and company have not the foresight, though, don't you think?

Uncertain. Many times, ivory tower ideology rapidly gets tossed in the dumpster when reality gets ugly enough. Impossible to predict what the reaction to such an existential threat would be.

Clinton, of all people, seems to have a realistic grasp of the problem. But I'm more worried about her trying to subvert international issues for her own political ends.

586 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:38:48am
587 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:39:12am

re: #524 albusteve
"live music Center of the Known Universe" (*cough* except for NYC and Nashville *cough*).

588 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:39:35am

re: #577 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just one more reason why I'll never win it.

It won't be long now before men will want to compete in the Miss USA Pageant. They will sue to gain the right. Just like the guy who sued Hooters because they wouldn't let him become a waitress. Hooters settled.

589 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:39:54am
590 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:40:15am

re: #564 realwest

Respectfully, there is another target in the US which I won't name that would hurt us more than D.C. or NYC.
If y'all think about it hard enough, you'll figure it out.

I can think of several, frankly. The financial centers of New York and the political centers of Washington have elaborate and extensive redundancies already in place against just such a catastrophe.

Other bits of the nation are not so well protected nor so easily replaced.

591 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:40:19am

re: #573 SixDegrees

Agree.

Let Russia have PakistanEurope, and let China have TaiwanAsia if that's the price; it's worth it. And let the rest of the world howl their sorry asses off.

I think the ambitions of Russia and China are a little larger than Pakistan and Taiwan...

592 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:41:03am

re: #531 turn Indeed - home of the University of Texas (among other things) and iirc, it voted for Obama in '08 as well!

593 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:41:12am

re: #577 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just one more reason why I'll never win it.

Tell me, lol.

btw- I made your zucchini cake. Not only is it relatively healthy -- it's quite tasty. (and super easy to make)

594 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:41:44am

Bumper sticker on car this morning :

Left side : American flag
Right side : Proud to be an Obama Mama

/wish I was kidding

595 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:41:45am

Kind of a chilling attack scenario here, at comment #3.

596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:42:10am

re: #593 FrogMarch

Tell me, lol.

btw- I made your zucchini cake. Not only is it relatively healthy -- it's quite tasty. (and super easy to make)

Awesome - except I don't have a recipe for zucchini cake.
/cue Twilight Zone theme

597 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:42:14am

re: #587 realwest

"live music Center of the Known Universe" (*cough* except for NYC and Nashville *cough*).

maybe I should add 'quality' as a qualifier...I've visited both the others and stand on my remark...Austin is place to be

598 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:43:23am

re: #554 Kosh's Shadow

A detector where? From Pakistan to a private runway in Qatar or Arabia, no security to worry about.

The US better have a serious plan to use their best special forces to capture Pakistan's nukes, in the event the central gov't falls.

Never mind NoKo's missile test, or the silly Somali pirates: this will be Obama's big test.

599 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:43:50am

re: #580 Lincolntf

I have no idea how a nuclear attack would be executed on US soil, but I would not count on fear of being exposed to stop people from doing it. It only takes a few corrupted higher-ups and a few paid off underlings to smuggle pretty much anything anywhere in the world. How these people would get their hands on the nuke is the far larger question. Theft, (with the endorsement of a Gov't or not) is a possibility. So is buying one from NoKo or the old USSR countries. Either way, the current situation is already a catastrophe waiting to happen, and if Iran gets nukes then the potential for catastrophe ratchets up tenfold.

I think if Iran gets nukes, the potential is worse than that.
I think Iran will be only the second country to get nukes that they actually intend to use, as opposed to acting as a deterrent. (The first was the US, in WWII; after that, they've been intended as a deterrent.)
And the mullahs and Amadmanonjihad don't care about retaliation if it brings their madhi.

600 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #542 Occasional Reader

Most mornings I pick up a copy of the Express at the Metro, read Pearls Before Swine (best comic strip being published today!) and throw my copy away.

Those free libtard tabloid papers are littering the Metro.

601 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:44:20am
602 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:44:32am

re: #591 Leonidas Hoplite

I think the ambitions of Russia and China are a little larger than Pakistan and Taiwan...

Their ambitions don't matter. Finite rewards for help with a finite problem, however, seems reasonable.

It's all moot, anyway. There isn't time to arrange any such agreement at this point. Pakistan could be weeks to months away from collapse.

603 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:44:45am

re: #559 realwest

I'm hoping it is just an "age thang", please keep me posted. In the meantime, you are in my daily thoughts and prayers.

Tuesdays were scheduled by the doctors and as I am a stay-at-home bunny, it's as good as any other day. Sure would be nice if they would just schedule everything on the same day, though!

604 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:45:03am

re: #516 doppelganglander

Good morning, folks. Do we have any Austin lizards around, or people familiar with Austin? My husband is being considered for a job there and I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about the place than I do.

re: #549 badger1970

I've been living in Round Rock for the last 10 years but haven't had to commute there for the last 4 (laid off, Dell, got a nice job in a rural community).

There's a whole slew full of expanding communities surrounding Austin that nice affordable housing can be found along with a so-so commute. I'm sure other lizards can give you more detailed info.

Austin, the live music capital of the world and it's unofficial slogan is "Keep Austin Weird".

Also living here in Austin. Moved from Boston, so the liberalism that so many Texans consider shocking in this town is actually kinda mild by East coast standards. All in all, a funky little town; not a bad place to live and make a living, unless you're in the semi-conductor or PC business - then, it's kind of cyclical, and we're in a down cycle right now.

Lots of parks and such, a nice little city. Just about the most liveable city in Texas - not too big, but big enough. Can get kind of hot here, and we're sort of in a drought just now.

Oh, and allergies. Cedar fever is no joke.

605 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #583 lawhawk

It sounds like she got confused. The 9-11 terrorists did not enter the US from Canada, but several other extremist Islamic terrorists have.

606 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Awesome - except I don't have a recipe for zucchini cake.
/cue Twilight Zone theme

Why are you trying to deny your recipe for zucchini cake, BDVM?

WHY?!

607 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:45:57am

re: #590 SixDegrees

I can think of several, frankly. The financial centers of New York and the political centers of Washington have elaborate and extensive redundancies already in place against just such a catastrophe.

Other bits of the nation are not so well protected nor so easily replaced.

The more I think of it the more places I can come up with as well. Some not so obvious. One had plans to attack it thwarted already.

608 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:46:48am

re: #600 Mad Al-Jaffee

Those free libtard tabloid papers are littering the Metro.

Yep, they're raping Earth Mother Gaia, etc...

609 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:46:57am

re: #594 SasquatchOnSteroids

Bumper sticker on car this morning :

Left side : American flag
Right side : Proud to be an Obama Mama

/wish I was kidding

When you start seeing that on all the freeway signs around there you're really going to start going nuts. ha

610 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:47:17am

re: #583 lawhawk

Blame Canada!
Blame Canada!
It seems that everything is wrong, since Canada came along...

611 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:47:28am

re: #599 Kosh's Shadow

I think if Iran gets nukes, the potential is worse than that.
I think Iran will be only the second country to get nukes that they actually intend to use, as opposed to acting as a deterrent. (The first was the US, in WWII; after that, they've been intended as a deterrent.)
And the mullahs and Amadmanonjihad don't care about retaliation if it brings their madhi.

that's what they SAY...it could be bluster since it's never their ass that gets sent up...but I'd rather not find out for sure

612 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:47:44am

re: #596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Awesome - except I don't have a recipe for zucchini cake.
/cue Twilight Zone theme

CHOCOLATE zucchini cake - sorry.
/ with or without the butter.

613 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:47:51am

re: #598 Kenneth

A detector where? From Pakistan to a private runway in Qatar or Arabia, no security to worry about.

The US better have a serious plan to use their best special forces to capture Pakistan's nukes, in the event the central gov't falls.

Never mind NoKo's missile test, or the silly Somali pirates: this will be Obama's big test.

I had been thinking of the plane landing in a Western country. If they put it on a boat, it also could run into port detectors, but that's less likely.
I don't think 0bama is going to try to capture Pakistan's nukes, but I think India will, and they probably are better able hide in the area and succeed.

614 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:47:57am

Duty calls.

615 HoosierHoops  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:47:58am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today?

616 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:09am

re: #607 Kosh's Shadow

The more I think of it the more places I can come up with as well. Some not so obvious. One had plans to attack it thwarted already.

If we're talking about a single nuclear strike, while there are other probabilities that may cause more loss of life, I think DC or NYC would most weaken the country.

617 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:17am

The Coming of the Fourth American Republic by James V. DeLong

We have had two upheavals so sweeping that the institutional arrangements under which we now operate can fairly be classified as the Third American Republic. Furthermore, this Third Republic is teetering (these things seem to run in cycles of about 70 years) and is on the edge of giving way to a revised Fourth Republic with arrangements as yet murky to our present-bound perceptions.

618 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:32am

Good morning. Probably already been beaten to death, but how could the Secretay of DHS believe that the 9/11 terrorists came in through Canada?
Shouldn't she be more knowlegeable than the every day person?

619 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:42am

re: #546 Kosh's Shadow
Well

And if you know it was from Pakistan, for example, do you kill millions of Pakistanis because their government wasn't strong enough to keep protect their nukes?
Iran is a different matter, because it is clearly the government running the nuclear program.


It seems to me that we killed hundreds of thousands (I think that's correct) in Nagasaki and Hiroshima who didn't have much to say about what their government did, either. And, indeed, we KNOW that the citizens of the USSR didn't have any say in what their government did or didn't do, but we were prepared to kill tens of millions of them because of what their government did.
If ANYONE hits us with a nuke, while I doubt that Obama will first order a retaliatory stike, we will have to retaliate or we WILL get nuked again.

620 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:03am

BBIAM!

621 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:12am

re: #605 Kenneth

It sounds like she got confused. The 9-11 terrorists did not enter the US from Canada, but several other extremist Islamic terrorists have.

Kenneth ... why would anyone from Obama administration want to start slamming the southern border ... they want and need the hispanics for their planned White House occupation for generations to come ... I have posted my feelings on this before ... if they bring the illegals into their party by giving them citizenship ... they have a huge advantage over any other party ... JanetNapo ... will not slam the southern border ... they have a plan ... no ODS either ...

622 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:15am

re: #608 Occasional Reader

Yep, they're raping Earth Mother Gaia, etc...

And to think of all the trees that were cut down to make those papers.

623 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:16am

re: #605 Kenneth

It sounds like she got confused. The 9-11 terrorists did not enter the US from Canada, but several other extremist Islamic terrorists have.

There was such a rumour immediately after 9/11, but it was immediately and conclusively refuted and disproven, ad nauseum.
Confused my ass - she is an idiot.

624 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:22am

re: #604 Guanxi88

Check out the Asylum Street Spankers some time. I don't agree with their politics, but their music is great and often hilarious.

625 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:59am

re: #602 SixDegrees

Their ambitions don't matter. Finite rewards for help with a finite problem, however, seems reasonable.

It's all moot, anyway. There isn't time to arrange any such agreement at this point. Pakistan could be weeks to months away from collapse.

Or less...

626 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:07am
627 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:10am

re: #595 UFO TOFU

Kind of a chilling attack scenario here, at comment #3.

I have a feeling terrorists are set up in every major city around the globe and will coordinate attacks on the same day. Americans have 9/11, Spain has 3/11 and London 7/7. The next large scale attack will involve the entire world.

628 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:11am

I saw where Chris Matthews changed his book title becuase of heat he recieved from Jon Stewart.

So I guess it's OK for lefty performers to get pols and pundits to heel to them I guess.

629 wahabicorridor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:21am

re: #537 Iron Fist

dinged up.

love you.

gotta hop again.

630 pingjockey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:33am

Y'all have a good day. See ya later!

631 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:51:16am

re: #618 opnion

Good morning. Probably already been beaten to death, but how could the Secretay of DHS believe that the 9/11 terrorists came in through Canada?
Shouldn't she be more knowlegeable than the every day person?

One would at least expect a degree of professionalism that would act to keep her mouth shut when she wasn't completely knowledgeable about something.

632 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:51:23am

re: #615 HoosierHoops

Hoops!

633 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:51:37am

re: #612 FrogMarch

CHOCOLATE zucchini cake - sorry.
/ with or without the butter.

Still, no recipes from me - you must be thinking of another Lizard's recipe. I didn't submit one to the LGF cookbook. Maybe next time. Do cocktails count as recipes?

634 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:51:54am

re: #627 KenJen

ANd they will do it in a fashion where numerology plays a part.

635 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:52:23am

re: #631 SixDegrees

But did she pay her taxes?

636 HoosierHoops  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:52:37am

re: #632 rightside

Hoops!

Hey rightside! how goes it?

637 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #618 opnion

She might have been misspoke or they are twisting her words, I haven't looked into it. The scandal about her last week about a statement on immigration was completely bogus. The new Paulian inspired Republicans are just pissed about thte DHS memo and FEMA camps.

638 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:52:45am

re: #605 Kenneth

It sounds like she got confused. The 9-11 terrorists did not enter the US from Canada, but several other extremist Islamic terrorists have.

The LAX bomber came in from Canada...

But still, this woman is in this position as part of the spoils system. I am as qualified to run DHS as she is...

639 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:52:50am

re: #625 SixDegrees

Or less...

Sounds like Cambodia, 1975. Good grief.

640 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:53:07am

re: #624 Mad Al-Jaffee

Check out the Asylum Street Spankers some time. I don't agree with their politics, but their music is great and often hilarious.

Hey, you know how many old Austinites it takes to change light bulb, don't you?

Three. One to change the bulb, and two more to talk about how much cooler the old one was.

641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:53:19am

re: #626 Iron Fist

In the early '90s I read a possible scenario for a terrorist attack, using common explosives and a little ingenuity, to cripple the United States economically for months. I don't recall all the places that would need to be attacked essentially simultaneously, but there really weren't that many of them.

Waiting for my train today, I took a look around at the people & everyone was carrying a large bag, or purse, or backpack, or attache. If only one person had explosives in their bag... Mass transit is our weakest link. Thousands of people, all carrying baggage & zero security.

642 ducktrapper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:53:47am

Three chords and the truth, Lily, three chords and the truth! Oh and maybe a hit of windowpane. ;)

643 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:54:21am

re: #636 HoosierHoops

It goes slow, but it goes!

644 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:54:24am

re: #618 opnion

Good morning. Probably already been beaten to death, but how could the Secretay of DHS believe that the 9/11 terrorists came in through Canada?
Shouldn't she be more knowlegeable than the every day person?

No, she's a lamebrain.

645 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:54:38am
646 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:54:41am
647 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:54:50am

re: #633 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do cocktails count as recipes?

Putting lime in your Corona doesn't actually count as a "cocktail", you know...

648 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:55:10am

re: #641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Waiting for my train today, I took a look around at the people & everyone was carrying a large bag, or purse, or backpack, or attache. If only one person had explosives in their bag... Mass transit is our weakest link. Thousands of people, all carrying baggage & zero security.

shipping and energy...imo

649 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:55:17am

re: #584 Ward Cleaver

I'm guessing this means I should let Mr. Bunny have the rest of his birthday cake...dammit. **takes the cake out of the secret hiding place**

No, we have not discussed the nutrition end of this but I will order the book. Can I haz chocolate?

Many, many thanks {Ward}!

650 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:55:51am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

She might have been misspoke or they are twisting her words,

See the transcript posted by lawhawk upthread.

Sorry to disappoint.

651 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:55:52am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

She might have been misspoke or they are twisting her words, I haven't looked into it. The scandal about her last week about a statement on immigration was completely bogus. The new Paulian inspired Republicans are just pissed about thte DHS memo and FEMA camps.


[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

JN: Look, the comment you read of course was taken out of context. The law doesn't differentiate. The law says the borders are the borders and these are the kind of things that have to be done at the borders.

Secondly, yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on, it didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year. Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there.

NM: Are you talking about the 9/11 perpetrators?

JN: Not just those but others as well. So again, every country is entitled to have a border. It's part of sovereignty. It's part of knowing who's in the country.

652 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:56:01am

re: #621 JacksonTn

Kenneth ... why would anyone from Obama administration want to start slamming the southern border ... they want and need the hispanics for their planned White House occupation for generations to come ... I have posted my feelings on this before ... if they bring the illegals into their party by giving them citizenship ... they have a huge advantage over any other party ... JanetNapo ... will not slam the southern border ... they have a plan ... no ODS either ...

Taht's it , she wants the Southern Boarder to ;look like the amigo boarder, nothing to worry about.
This Administration wants the public tp accept "comprehensive Immagration Reform", so that the Dems will have elections sewed up with the newly minted citizens.

653 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:56:18am

re: #628 eddiebear

I saw where Chris Matthews changed his book title becuase of heat he recieved from Jon Stewart.

So I guess it's OK for lefty performers to get pols and pundits to heel to them I guess.

That won't stop Stewart.

654 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:56:25am

I don't care what anyone says, my Windows Vista x64 install has been the stablest install of Windows yet. I've gotten every other program to crash on it, but I haven't blue-screened the OS yet. I've managed to crash my Kubuntu and OS X installs each with a kernel panic, but the Vista system keeps cranking along.

655 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:57:46am

re: #638 tfc3rid

The LAX bomber came in from Canada...

Of course, he's "retired" now.

So I guess that makes him an ex-LAX bomber.

Oh, shit!

656 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:05am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

She might have been misspoke or they are twisting her words, I haven't looked into it. The scandal about her last week about a statement on immigration was completely bogus. The new Paulian inspired Republicans are just pissed about thte DHS memo and FEMA camps.

So she gets a pass just because Paul is an asshole?

657 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:05am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

She might have been misspoke or they are twisting her words, I haven't looked into it. The scandal about her last week about a statement on immigration was completely bogus. The new Paulian inspired Republicans are just pissed about thte DHS memo and FEMA camps.

Dude, while I agree with you that the Paulian angle is a bad angle to play, why are you the one who keeps dragging him into the conversation.

There is a segment of the population/GOP/Conservative movement that doesn't give a rat's ass about Paul but wants the best for this nation... And sometimes, that line of common sense might just follow along with something that that idiot says...

658 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:27am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

She might have been misspoke or they are twisting her words, I haven't looked into it. The scandal about her last week about a statement on immigration was completely bogus. The new Paulian inspired Republicans are just pissed about thte DHS memo and FEMA camps.

I saw the clip where she was asked if she actually believed that the 9/11 hijackers came in through Canada. She answered, "Not just them, many others as well." Sure sounds to me like she believed it.

659 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:30am

re: #655 Occasional Reader

Okay, that was pretty good!

660 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:31am

re: #655 Occasional Reader

Of course, he's "retired" now.

So I guess that makes him an ex-LAX bomber.

Oh, shit!

So, he made a run for the border? Taco Bell?

661 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:32am

re: #641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Waiting for my train today, I took a look around at the people & everyone was carrying a large bag, or purse, or backpack, or attache. If only one person had explosives in their bag... Mass transit is our weakest link. Thousands of people, all carrying baggage & zero security.

I had been working in Boston on 7/7, the London tube attacks. They supposedly instituted some sort of security in Boston afterwards, but I have to say I saw little to none of it, except on TV.
And you cannot add much security and still carry mass quantities of people.

662 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:58:37am

re: #654 acwgusa

I don't care what anyone says, my Windows Vista x64 install has been the stablest install of Windows yet. I've gotten every other program to crash on it, but I haven't blue-screened the OS yet. I've managed to crash my Kubuntu and OS X installs each with a kernel panic, but the Vista system keeps cranking along.

I didn't even know they made cars in Uganda?
/

663 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:00am

re: #623 Spare O'Lake

There was such a rumour immediately after 9/11, but it was immediately and conclusively refuted and disproven, ad nauseum.
Confused my ass - she is an idiot.

Her academic & professional career demonstrates Napolitano is not an idiot. Which leaves the options a) she was momentarily confused b) she is ideologically motivated to see & do things a particular way.

664 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:20am

re: #662 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I didn't even know they made cars in Uganda?
/

Wouldn't that be the Ugo?

665 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:37am

Good News! Progress! HOPE AND CHANGE!

"Women's groups CHEERED..."

666 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:45am

re: #646 Iron Fist

Well said. That is 100% truth. But I don't think that Obama has the intestinal fortitude to actually launce nuclear weapons no matter what the circumstances. I think he'd fold like a weak reed, and, like Clinton before him, react in a less than effective manner, flailing away at empty camps in the desert to avoid any of the icky unplesantness that is part of the reality of nuclear warfare.

I agree with you... I don't see it happening... I think there would be a military retaliation but we would hear a lot of hand wringing about moral authority.

667 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #653 Ward Cleaver

Actually, that will embolden Stewart/Colbert/et al. And what's even better is that there has been nary a peep from the leftysphere over an entertainer being able to bully a DC wonk and get said wonk to kowtow to him.

668 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:54am

re: #654 acwgusa

I don't care what anyone says, my Windows Vista x64 install has been the stablest install of Windows yet. I've gotten every other program to crash on it, but I haven't blue-screened the OS yet. I've managed to crash my Kubuntu and OS X installs each with a kernel panic, but the Vista system keeps cranking along.

I don't know why people knock Vista so much. I just have the 32-bit version (Ultimate) running on my home systems, and it's been very stable. The only odd quirk I've seen is it's occasionally not loaded one of the user's profiles (it's happened five or six times), but a reboot fixed that every time. I do have 4Gb of RAM on one machine, and 3Gb on the other.

669 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:00:08am

re: #654 acwgusa

I don't care what anyone says, my Windows Vista x64 install has been the stablest install of Windows yet. I've gotten every other program to crash on it, but I haven't blue-screened the OS yet. I've managed to crash my Kubuntu and OS X installs each with a kernel panic, but the Vista system keeps cranking along.

My 32 bit Vista has random disk corruption and other hangs. Rarely crashes; sometimes it won't wake from sleep, but no blue screens.
But it is less stable than XP

670 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:00:27am

re: #655 Occasional Reader

Of course, he's "retired" now.

So I guess that makes him an ex-LAX bomber.

Oh, shit!

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

671 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:00:41am

re: #669 Kosh's Shadow

My 32 bit Vista has random disk corruption and other hangs. Rarely crashes; sometimes it won't wake from sleep, but no blue screens.
But it is less stable than XP

Disk corruption and hangs? That's bizarre.

672 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:00:54am

re: #562 Honorary Yooper
Hi HY! I can sympathize and empathize with you my friend, but I HAVE to ask you - why bother going to those sites when you KNOW that's what they're gonna be saying?
Do what I do and ignore them. It's better for your sanity and it will KILL THEM to know we don't talk about 'em over here. And yes, I have no doubt that they read LGF every single day just to see who they've managed to piss off that day (although they specialize in wanting to piss off Charles, they'll take any one of us to satisfy themselves).

673 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:01:12am

re: #661 Kosh's Shadow

They supposedly instituted some sort of security in Boston afterwards, but I have to say I saw little to none of it, except on TV.
And you cannot add much security and still carry mass quantities of people.

Agreed. Short of having airport-style security screening to get on the subway (and imagine how THAT would work), there's no effective way to keep a bomber out... other than interdicting beforehand, via good intelligence.

674 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:01:46am

re: #654 acwgusa

I don't care what anyone says, my Windows Vista x64 install has been the stablest install of Windows yet. I've gotten every other program to crash on it, but I haven't blue-screened the OS yet. I've managed to crash my Kubuntu and OS X installs each with a kernel panic, but the Vista system keeps cranking along.

Good to hear. I've got one being delivered today.

Will ultimately dual-boot into Linux, but it has Vista-64 out of the box.

675 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:01:58am

re: #663 Kenneth

Her academic & professional career demonstrates Napolitano is not an idiot. Which leaves the options a) she was momentarily confused b) she is ideologically motivated to see & do things a particular way.

She was given another chance to amend her remark, but stuck with it.

676 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:02:14am

You're all idiots. Of course the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada! They had special training sessions organized by the Mossad in downtown Montreal. Montreal was chosen because there is excellent Lebanese falafel there. They learned from the Jooos how to secretly sneak out of Canada by water taxis across Niagara Falls, with forged Saudi passports-and pre-dated all their flight school training data.

677 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:02:56am

Why do I have the feeling that the release of the 'torture' memos is just a shiny distraction from something else the administration is planning?

I know I'm paranoid. Am I paranoid enough?

678 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:02:57am

re: #661 Kosh's Shadow

I had been working in Boston on 7/7, the London tube attacks. They supposedly instituted some sort of security in Boston afterwards, but I have to say I saw little to none of it, except on TV.
And you cannot add much security and still carry mass quantities of people.

I can tell you as part of my daily commute here in NYC, my Express Bus goes through the Midtown Tunnel every day. There are a lot of National Guard troops with rifles standing to inspect every other truck (or so)...

679 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:03:03am
680 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:03:13am

re: #571 Occasional Reader
IF you really want to know O.R. e-mail me and I'll tell you.
But never out here.

681 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:03:34am

re: #650 Occasional Reader

She's still not going to get fired and Republicans are going to look weak on national security for this vendetta against DHS. It's nutty and counterproductive.

682 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:05am

re: #663 Kenneth

Her academic & professional career demonstrates Napolitano is not an idiot. Which leaves the options a) she was momentarily confused b) she is ideologically motivated to see & do things a particular way.

One can still be a highly educated idiot.

683 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:05am

re: #660 acwgusa

So, he made a run for the border? Taco Bell?

No. Taco Bell gave him the ru...never mind.

684 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:13am

re: #675 opnion

She was given another chance to amend her remark, but stuck with it.

opnion ... nobody is going rogue in the Obama administration ... not as long as Rahm is around ... they are told what talking points to push ... even slight ones ... I am sure JanetNap is well aware of Obama/Pelosi plans for illegals ... how could she not be ...

685 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:21am

re: #571 Occasional Reader

Fifth Avenue deli. Without a sustainable supply of bagels-America is fucked.

686 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:54am

re: #681 Killgore Trout

She's still not going to get fired and Republicans are going to look weak on national security for this vendetta against DHS. It's nutty and counterproductive.

Oh, I know she won't get fired, but she is an idiot. She also seems to know nothing about the northern border.

687 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #682 acwgusa

One can still be a highly educated idiot.

Understated. Idiots are usually very highly educated. So smart-they are stupid.

688 HoosierHoops  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:05:12am

re: #685 WriterMom

Fifth Avenue deli. Without a sustainable supply of bagels-America is fucked.

BIG BAGELS ARE RIPPING US OFF!

689 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:05:12am

re: #619 realwest

Well It seems to me that we killed hundreds of thousands (I think that's correct) in Nagasaki and Hiroshima who didn't have much to say about what their government did, either.

A little beside the point I know, but we saved more Japanese lives than killed by bombing. The people of Okinawa didn't even care much for the Japanese, but their internal propaganda and pressure was so pervasive that they resisted us bittery, down to the pitchfork vs. flamethrower level, and committed mass suicide (with lots of assistance from the Imperial Japanese Army) rather than capitulate or assist us.
An invasion of the home islands would have produced casualties and horrors no atom bomb could match.

690 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:05:20am

re: #549 badger1970

And albusteve, turn, and anyone else whom I missed: Thank you very much. (I had a Firefox crash or I would have responded sooner). I know Austin is liberal, especially compared to the rest of Texas. It's good to know there are some affordable areas in the 'burbs. And the live music is a great bonus. I'll have to see how things develop with Mr. Doppel's employment search, but if this one works out, I don't think I'll be too unhappy.

691 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:05:29am

re: #677 Van Helsing

Why do I have the feeling that the release of the 'torture' memos is just a shiny distraction from something else the administration is planning?

I know I'm paranoid. Am I paranoid enough?

Yeah, the insane budget that is going to pass...

692 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:05:52am

re: #673 Occasional Reader

Agreed. Short of having airport-style security screening to get on the subway (and imagine how THAT would work), there's no effective way to keep a bomber out... other than interdicting beforehand, via good intelligence.

Which we can only politely request that terrorists please supply us with nowadays.

693 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:05:54am

re: #644 Ward Cleaver

I think it is a mistake to assume politicians we disagree with are always lamebrains. To be sure some are. Most are not. They are smart enough to get a position of power and smart enough to know how to use it. I've listened to Napolitano talk in interviews, she's quite intelligent. The conclusion is she says what she says for a reason.

#621 JacksonTn is closer to the truth. The Dems want to deal with the immigration issue in such a way they have a lock on the White House (and several state governorships) for decades to come.

694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:06:32am

re: #688 HoosierHoops

BIG BAGELS ARE RIPPING US OFF!

There's a hole in your logic.

695 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:06:53am

re: #678 tfc3rid

There are a lot of National Guard troops with rifles standing to inspect every other truck (or so)...

I am nothing short of astonished that we have not had devastating truck-bomb attacks in this country since 9/11. It seems that it would be quite easy to do for any terrorist cell with a little funding and knowhow.

Gosh, maybe those Bush Administration folks actually kept us safe, what with all their wiretaps and torture! and so forth...

696 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:06:56am

re: #671 Ward Cleaver

Disk corruption and hangs? That's bizarre.

The disk checks out fine, but sometimes when I start, it does a disk check even though I shut down properly.
And a couple of nights ago, it wouldn't shut off; I had to hard reset it, (and then run a disk check)

697 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #692 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Which we can only politely request that terrorists please supply us with nowadays.

We have to use the word 'please'.

698 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:09am

re: #684 JacksonTn

opnion ... nobody is going rogue in the Obama administration ... not as long as Rahm is around ... they are told what talking points to push ... even slight ones ... I am sure JanetNap is well aware of Obama/Pelosi plans for illegals ... how could she not be ...

That's what I think Jackson. They want the southern Boarder to look benign & get us to accept legalization, to get an overwhwelming Democrat majority.

699 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:27am

Torture Tape Implicates UAE Royal Sheikh (Video)

A video tape smuggled out of the United Arab Emirates shows a member of the country's royal family mercilessly torturing a man with whips, electric cattle prods and wooden planks with protruding nails.
...
Nabulsi says the video tapes were recorded by his brother, on orders from the Sheikh who liked to watch the torture sessions later in his royal palace.

It's way too early, I can't watch.

700 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:37am

re: #692 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes, if you say, pretty please with a cherry on top-the bad people will like America again! Then all will be pretty, and happy and fun again!

701 HoosierHoops  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:48am

re: #694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There's a hole in your logic.


Thanks a lox

702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:49am

re: #697 tfc3rid

We have to use the word 'please'.

And in dire circumstances, "with a cherry on top."

704 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:06am

re: #695 Occasional Reader

I am nothing short of astonished that we have not had devastating truck-bomb attacks in this country since 9/11. It seems that it would be quite easy to do for any terrorist cell with a little funding and knowhow.

Gosh, maybe those Bush Administration folks actually kept us safe, what with all their wiretaps and torture! and so forth...

That's impossible! Cheney just could not find enough people to do it...

/woo wooo

705 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:08am

re: #625 SixDegrees

Or less...

Whole lot of hubris coming from the Pakistani ambassador and other officials.

706 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:14am

re: #702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But what about the fruit cups?

707 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:24am

re: #686 Honorary Yooper

Oh, I know she won't get fired, but she is an idiot. She also seems to know nothing about the northern border.

Eh, she's a hoser, eh?

708 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:28am

when something horrible happens, which (sadly) is likely, the people in charge will have to grow up really quick. I hope these adolescents in charge are ready to "man up" and take responsibility for their actions.

they can only bash Bush and Cheney for so long ...

709 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:34am

re: #699 Killgore Trout

You're suggesting that this Muslim despot fellow might enjoy torturing people? That's really news!

710 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:41am

re: #703 eddiebear

But in more important news, beer may be saved in Germany by home brews. Yay!

"Beer! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!"(Homer S.)

711 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:44am

re: #661 Kosh's Shadow

I had been working in Boston on 7/7, the London tube attacks. They supposedly instituted some sort of security in Boston afterwards, but I have to say I saw little to none of it, except on TV.
And you cannot add much security and still carry mass quantities of people.

Some cities do security better than others, and NY does it best - in part because its police force is far larger than all the rest.

You haven't been in Lower Manhattan or ridden the PATH system then. There are regular sweeps with Nat'l Guard and heavily armed Port Authority police in the stations on a regular basis, doing bag checks.

Port Authority operations have been regularly targeted by the terrorists - starting with the 1993 WTC bombing, and include 9/11, the landmarks terror plots, and various other disrupted plots, including attacks on PATH he Holland and Lincoln Tunnels and the GWB.

Security is far tighter than it has been prior to 9/11. The NYPD regularly makes a show of force around the city, running random vehicle searches - in Midtown and Lower Manhattan. Atlas teams and Hercules teams are regularly deployed.

712 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:52am

re: #702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

ACK GET OUTA MAH BRAIN!

713 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:53am

re: #689 haakondahl

A little beside the point I know, but we saved more Japanese lives than killed by bombing. The people of Okinawa didn't even care much for the Japanese, but their internal propaganda and pressure was so pervasive that they resisted us bittery, down to the pitchfork vs. flamethrower level, and committed mass suicide (with lots of assistance from the Imperial Japanese Army) rather than capitulate or assist us.
An invasion of the home islands would have produced casualties and horrors no atom bomb could match.

I agree.
But you tell the anti-nuke people and the liberals that, and they won't believe you.

714 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:53am

re: #696 Kosh's Shadow

The disk checks out fine, but sometimes when I start, it does a disk check even though I shut down properly.
And a couple of nights ago, it wouldn't shut off; I had to hard reset it, (and then run a disk check)

Yikes! At least you moved into the future. My computer here at the office was given to me in 2003... It's slow and old...

715 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #710 acwgusa
Yup.

716 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:08am

re: #658 opnion

I saw the clip where she was asked if she actually believed that the 9/11 hijackers came in through Canada. She answered, "Not just them, many others as well." Sure sounds to me like she believed it.

It could also be a verbal syntax screw up. It's unclear to me.

717 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:22am

re: #680 realwest

IF you really want to know O.R. e-mail me and I'll tell you.
But never out here.

Done.

718 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:30am

re: #694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There's a hole in your logic.

You're quite the munchkin.

719 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:39am

re: #654 acwgusa

I don't care what anyone says, my Windows Vista x64 install has been the stablest install of Windows yet. I've gotten every other program to crash on it, but I haven't blue-screened the OS yet. I've managed to crash my Kubuntu and OS X installs each with a kernel panic, but the Vista system keeps cranking along.


Smells like astroturf.

I've had Vista shit the bed twice, both on well-maintained and updated factory installs. Done. D O N E Done.

Bought a MacBook Pro about two months ago. Sweet frickin' relief.
Upgraded the remaining PC from Vista to XP Pro SP2. Don't regret it.

720 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:52am

re: #711 lawhawk

Some cities do security better than others, and NY does it best - in part because its police force is far larger than all the rest.

You haven't been in Lower Manhattan or ridden the PATH system then. There are regular sweeps with Nat'l Guard and heavily armed Port Authority police in the stations on a regular basis, doing bag checks.

Port Authority operations have been regularly targeted by the terrorists - starting with the 1993 WTC bombing, and include 9/11, the landmarks terror plots, and various other disrupted plots, including attacks on PATH he Holland and Lincoln Tunnels and the GWB.

Security is far tighter than it has been prior to 9/11. The NYPD regularly makes a show of force around the city, running random vehicle searches - in Midtown and Lower Manhattan. Atlas teams and Hercules teams are regularly deployed.

Atlas teams? Pamela jumps up & down to distract terrorists?
/couldn't resist.

721 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:03am

I don't know if this says anything about job situation but ...

I am opening another business outside of our farms ... I posted a job opening for part-time work online ... within one hour I had 60 applicants ... and they are still coming in this morning ... I am going to take the ad down and go through what I have ... I cannot believe some of the people applying ... they are way overqualified ... some of the emails are almost making me cry ... maybe I am too sensitive ... and I am in an area that has not been that hurt by the economy as other places ...

722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:23am

re: #718 lawhawk

You're quite the munchkin.

Donut know it.

723 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:27am

Killgore- did you see #434?

724 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:29am
725 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:29am

re: #719 haakondahl

True. If Vista was so awesome, why are some new PCs offering the opportunity to return to XP?

726 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:49am

re: #694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #688 HoosierHoops

BIG BAGELS ARE RIPPING US OFF!

There's a hole in your logic.

Says who? Ses-a-me, that's who! I don't care if I'm accused of schmearing other posters.

727 Lincolntf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:50am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Nice try, Johnny One-Note, but the facts tell a different story, as usual.

728 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:51am

re: #705 Russkilitlover

Whole lot of hubris coming from the Pakistani ambassador and other officials.

They sound like Baghdad Bob...

Taliban? No Taliban here!

729 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:09am

re: #699 Killgore Trout

Torture Tape Implicates UAE Royal Sheikh (Video)

It's way too early, I can't watch.

At least he didn't put a caterpillar in his cell. //

730 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:17am

Suspected Al-Qaeda leader captured in Iraq

BAGHDAD — The suspected leader of an al-Qaeda-linked militant network was captured today by Iraqi military forces, security officials said, in what could mark a significant blow against Sunni insurgents as they step up attacks.

Two separate suicide bombings, meanwhile, killed dozens of people.

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi has been a key target for U.S. and Iraqi forces for years as the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella group of Sunni militant factions that is believed dominated by al-Qaeda in Iraq.

731 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:38am

re: #687 WriterMom

Understated. Idiots are usually very highly educated. So smart-they are stupid.

I forget where, but I read a fantastic quote maybe twenty years ago
"The problem with most people is that they are educated beyond their intelligence."

732 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #711 lawhawk

Some cities do security better than others, and NY does it best - in part because its police force is far larger than all the rest.

You haven't been in Lower Manhattan or ridden the PATH system then. There are regular sweeps with Nat'l Guard and heavily armed Port Authority police in the stations on a regular basis, doing bag checks.

Port Authority operations have been regularly targeted by the terrorists - starting with the 1993 WTC bombing, and include 9/11, the landmarks terror plots, and various other disrupted plots, including attacks on PATH he Holland and Lincoln Tunnels and the GWB.

Security is far tighter than it has been prior to 9/11. The NYPD regularly makes a show of force around the city, running random vehicle searches - in Midtown and Lower Manhattan. Atlas teams and Hercules teams are regularly deployed.

I get to NYC about once a year, but haven't seen that level of security. Since I'm only there a few days, it makes sense that I just haven't run into it.

733 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:49am

re: #719 haakondahl

Smells like astroturf.

I've had Vista shit the bed twice, both on well-maintained and updated factory installs. Done. D O N E Done.

Bought a MacBook Pro about two months ago. Sweet frickin' relief.
Upgraded the remaining PC from Vista to XP Pro SP2. Don't regret it.

Really, what does plastic grass smell like?

I kid you not, I have had no issues with my Vista installs. Of course, on my Dell laptop, the first thing when I got it was wipe the hard drive and do a clean install.

734 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:50am

re: #716 Kenneth

It could also be a verbal syntax screw up. It's unclear to me.

Yeah but, "...many others, as well" Does look likle she believed it, at least at the time.

735 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:12:07am

re: #724 Iron Fist

So far we have been lucky. The only suicide bomber in the United States was apparently a Mohammedan and apparently acted alone. I'm not sure I believe that last assertion, but that is the way it's been reported.

The Oklahoma college guy?

736 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:12:14am

"The best mind-altering drug is the TRUTH"?
Da^&...I wasted a shit load of money in my youth!
Hope today find y'all well!

737 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:12:23am

re: #711 lawhawk

The NYPD is an excellent anti-terror military force...

738 rightside  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:12:46am

re: #719 haakondahl

you know SP3 is out, right? LOL

739 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:12:52am

re: #725 eddiebear

True. If Vista was so awesome, why are some new PCs offering the opportunity to return to XP?

A new operating system is due this summer, called Windows 7. This OS is seen as an emergency replacement for the disaster called Vista.

740 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:13:00am

re: #714 tfc3rid

Yikes! At least you moved into the future. My computer here at the office was given to me in 2003... It's slow and old...

That's my personal one. The one at the office is old; I have a newer one, but somehow, the IT person always forgets to get it set up, or leave me the external CD drive (no CD drive in the system) to do it myself.

741 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #733 acwgusa

Really, what does plastic grass smell like?

I kid you not, I have had no issues with my Vista installs. Of course, on my Dell laptop, the first thing when I got it was wipe the hard drive and do a clean install.

Of course, I'm running Vista basic on my desktop, and Vista Business on my laptop, so I'm running the two stripper versions of Vista.

742 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:13:35am

re: #716 Kenneth

It could also be a verbal syntax screw up. It's unclear to me.

I'll be as generous with the "verbal screw-ups" in the Obama Administration as everyone was with the Bush Administration.

743 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:04am

re: #695 Occasional Reader

I am nothing short of astonished that we have not had devastating truck-bomb attacks in this country since 9/11. It seems that it would be quite easy to do for any terrorist cell with a little funding and knowhow.

Gosh, maybe those Bush Administration folks actually kept us safe, what with all their wiretaps and torture! and so forth...

Explosives and the components needed to manufacture them are very tightly controlled in this country compared to other nations. It's hard to get even small amounts of material together without attracting attention.

Not impossible, of course. But it's enough of a bother to make a would-be terrorist consider other avenues. A small team of jihadists who actually knew how to handle weapons and shoot, armed with semi-automatic weapons at a mall around the holidays, would have a noticeable chilling effect on the economy. Do the same at several malls simultaneously around the country, and you'd have a mass panic that would keep people at home for months. And guns are easy to get.

744 eddiebear  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:19am

re: #741 acwgusa

Really, what does plastic grass smell like?


Axelrod.

745 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:42am

re: #600 Mad Al-Jaffee

Most mornings I pick up a copy of the Express at the Metro, read Pearls Before Swine (best comic strip being published today!) and throw my copy away.

I love that comic, too. My other favorite is Frazz.

746 MJ  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:43am

Michael Oren, Israel's New US Ambassador?

As Israeli paper Maariv first reported on Sunday, TNR contributing editor Michael Oren is being considered as a top contender for Israel's ambassador to the US. Oren, who immigrated to Israel from the U.S. in 1979, is the author of most recently of Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East: 1776 to the Present; he is currently a visiting professor at Georgetown University...

[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]

He'd be an excellent choice.

747 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:43am

re: #732 Kosh's Shadow

The purposely don't run security in the same fashion from day to day to keep people who might be casing facilities from knowing what kind of routine is involved. There might be a week where there isn't much in the way of overt security, but other times there is a heavy presence.

748 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:44am

re: #699 Killgore Trout

Torture Tape Implicates UAE Royal Sheikh (Video)

It's way too early, I can't watch.

I've seen it. You really don't want to watch. It's hideous.

749 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:54am

Yesterday I got an e-mail from a high school friend, asking me to sign my name to the 'anti-gun' petition being started by Toronto's lefty mayor, with the hope of getting it enacted all over Canada. I resisted the temptation to reply "but I like guns"-because she's a bit of a moron politically. "Why wouldn't you sign your name to this great cause?", she asked. I was so irritated. Oh-I don't know, because IT'S A STUPID KNEE JERK liberal position that doesn't address the root causes of crime-ie: CRIMINALS, not guns.

750 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:54am

re: #739 Kenneth

A new operating system is due this summer, called Windows 7. This OS is seen as an emergency replacement for the disaster called Vista.

Kenneth ... Vista is the reason I changed to macs ... I bought new computers for my home office and they all have Vista on them ... they were always crashing ... and they had lots of memory, etc. ... if I could get the people in my offices to change to macs I would but they do not want to train on them ... I guess I could push it but they are great workers ... but for my home office I love the macs ..

751 calcajun  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:23am

re: #648 albusteve

Roads and bridges. One tanker truck filled with explosives can drop and interchange, a tunnel or a bridge.

If some one wants to, and they are determined-they can do it. Like I've said before; security is a illusion.

752 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:27am

re: #746 MJ

That would be pretty cool. Did you notice who the new head of the Jewish Agency is going to be? Sharanksy.

753 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:30am

re: #603 Fluffy Bunny
Well Fluffy you know I wish (and pray) for only the best of all possible results. But they can't possibly schedule you for everything the same day...that would be too convenient for you! LOL!
Seriously, though, your doc needs all of the test results and some time to think about them before talking to you. And in my experience it's usually a week between every visit, test or whatever before he or she has enough information to discuss everything with you.
Prayers going up for you now!

754 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:36am

re: #695 Occasional Reader

I am nothing short of astonished that we have not had devastating truck-bomb attacks in this country since 9/11. It seems that it would be quite easy to do for any terrorist cell with a little funding and knowhow.

Gosh, maybe those Bush Administration folks actually kept us safe, what with all their wiretaps and torture! and so forth...

I work for a large truck leasing/rental company. What I see scares me. All you need to rent a 26' truck is a $150 cash deposit and a driver's liscence. I think Mcveigh use a 16'-not sure. There are lots of open windows in the industry that I won't get into.

755 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:46am

re: #663 Kenneth

Her academic & professional career demonstrates Napolitano is not an idiot. Which leaves the options a) she was momentarily confused b) she is ideologically motivated to see & do things a particular way.

Nah, she was tricked by the lefty Canadian MSM:

Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on, it didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year. Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there.

NM: Are you talking about the 9/11 perpetrators?

JN: Not just those but others as well. So again, every country is entitled to have a border. It's part of sovereignty. It's part of knowing who's in the country.

We have very dissimilar visa requirements. We want to work with Canada. Canada is such a close friend and ally and good friends with the United States. But I think we've all agreed that it makes sense to have a real border structure there. And again the law in the United States does not differentiate between the Mexican border and the Canadian border, so from my standpoint as the implementer of the law, that's what I'm dealing with.

NM: You know you mention terrorism, and there have been a lot of prominent American officials, including Secretary of State [Hillary] Clinton when she was a senator and a number of other congressmen and senators, that have said that there has to be tighter security because a lot of the 9/11 perpetrators came in through Canada.

The fact, of course, is that they didn't. They all came directly into the States, sometimes with U.S. visas. Senator [Charles] Schumer cited terrorists crossing at Buffalo, and then had to concede that that hadn't happened. I think there's kind of a popular misconception in this country that Canadians have been battling for a long time that we're somehow a nest of terrorism. But in reality it's not the case. And why is that view so common here?

JN: Well again, and I'm not privileged to say everything that has occurred. I mean, some things have occurred in the past. I can't talk to that. I can talk about the future.

756 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #743 SixDegrees

I'd suggest the malls scrape their f***ing 'No Guns' stickers off the doors and allow citizens to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

757 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:00am

I'm waiting for a Reaganesque candidate to back, but so far every person that looked good in the beginning has been a disappointment. I had high hopes for our Governor (Charlie Crist) a year ago...my how that has changed. At this point, I would love to see an average Joe rise out of the ashes. And while I am dreaming, could we pass a law that requires candidates to honor campaign promises or be charged with say...treason?

758 haakondahl  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:02am

re: #733 acwgusa

Really, what does plastic grass smell like?

I kid you not, I have had no issues with my Vista installs. Of course, on my Dell laptop, the first thing when I got it was wipe the hard drive and do a clean install.

Congratulations on your membership in one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet: people satisfied with Vista.

I actually am happy for you; Vista did all kinds of gee-whiz things which I liked, and I would have liked to continue enjoying. It just stopped doing them, and anything else for that matter. Twice. Both times I used DSL to rescue the contents.

Gotta go. Good night all.

759 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #633 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Still, no recipes from me - you must be thinking of another Lizard's recipe. I didn't submit one to the LGF cookbook. Maybe next time. Do cocktails count as recipes?

Why not? Vol. 1 had a beverage section.

760 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:27am

re: #617 Kenneth

A fantastic and thought-provoking read, thank you for that link.

761 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:30am

re: #721 JacksonTn

It's a tough job market out there. I have a graduate degree and I'm looking for minimum wage jobs. Not having much luck so far.

762 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:17:22am

re: #758 haakondahl

Congratulations on your membership in one of the most exclusive clubs on the planet: people satisfied with Vista.

I actually am happy for you; Vista did all kinds of gee-whiz things which I liked, and I would have liked to continue enjoying. It just stopped doing them, and anything else for that matter. Twice. Both times I used DSL to rescue the contents.

Gotta go. Good night all.

It's a very exclusive club! Only three members!

763 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:17:23am

re: #615 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! Doing ok here, how's about by you?

764 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:17:30am

re: #682 acwgusa

Define "idiot".

I use the definition of idiot as somebody with very low intelligence. We heard for years how stupid George Bush is, from Democrats who disagreed with his policies. They were wrong. Political views have nothing to do with intelligence. Politics is all about values, morality, ethics, character and psychology. You can have some very smart people believing some very nasty political ideology.

765 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:17:34am

re: #745 lurking faith

I love that comic, too. My other favorite is Frazz.

Looks kind of like a grown-up Calvin.

I also like White Ninja and Lulu Eightball

www.whiteninjacomics.com
[Link: www.citypaper.com...]

766 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:18:39am

re: #723 Sharmuta

Thanks for pointing that one out.

767 JacksonTn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:19:43am

re: #761 Killgore Trout

It's a tough job market out there. I have a graduate degree and I'm looking for minimum wage jobs. Not having much luck so far.

KT ... it must be ... I wish I could hire them all ...

768 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:20:19am

re: #749 WriterMom

Did you ask your friend to forward the petition to "The Armed Drug Gangs Shooting Up Toronto" ? I'm sure they would love to help this worthwhile initiative.

769 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:21:00am
770 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:21:25am

re: #761 Killgore Trout

It's a tough job market out there. I have a graduate degree and I'm looking for minimum wage jobs. Not having much luck so far.

Are you an engineer? My company is desperately looking for people with technical engineering degrees to hire.

We have work and need people but cannot find good ones. Therefore, we are overworked.

771 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:22:06am

re: #743 SixDegrees

A small team of jihadists who actually knew how to handle weapons and shoot, armed with semi-automatic weapons at a mall around the holidays, would have a noticeable chilling effect on the econom

Certainly possible. Of course, in at least some parts of the country, they'd face citizenry shooting back. And in any event, a disadvantage to them from such an operation is the near-certainty of being captured or killed; not that the "martyrs" are supposed to be bothered by the idea, but it does lead to intelligence about their contacts.

772 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:22:46am

re: #761 Killgore Trout

I've got a side gig that works out well...
I'm A Journey Maint... Construction Spec... for the Gov't.
I've got 11 conv...stores and Gas stations that don'need to pay a comercial cont..45 bucks an hour to change filter or belt or ballasts and light tubes...
I also do plumbing and lock service!
Fridays and 1/2 day Sat ...It pays 24 an hour or 21 for cash!
Shsssh exnay on the cashlay!

773 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:23:07am

re: #749 WriterMom

Yesterday I got an e-mail from a high school friend, asking me to sign my name to the 'anti-gun' petition being started by Toronto's lefty mayor, with the hope of getting it enacted all over Canada. I resisted the temptation to reply "but I like guns"-because she's a bit of a moron politically. "Why wouldn't you sign your name to this great cause?", she asked. I was so irritated. Oh-I don't know, because IT'S A STUPID KNEE JERK liberal position that doesn't address the root causes of crime-ie: CRIMINALS, not guns.


How much more "anti-gun" do they want Canadian law to get?!

774 HoosierHoops  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:24:07am

re: #763 realwest

Good morning Hoops! Doing ok here, how's about by you?


Good Morning! I sent you an email..

775 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:25:05am

re: #756 Van Helsing

I'd suggest the malls scrape their f***ing 'No Guns' stickers off the doors and allow citizens to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Haven't seen those. We passed a unified CC law in Michigan a few years back, despite predictions from the anti-gun crowd that we would be ankle deep in innocent blood the moment it took effect. Prior to that, we had a hodge-podge of permit regulations that varied literally from precinct to precinct, making it all but impossible to carry anywhere.

Immediately after passage, the rate of armed robberies plummeted to a tiny fraction of it's former level. Criminals aren't all that bright, but they aren't entirely stupid; they're able to evaluate the cost/benefit ratio of getting waxed versus making a hundred bucks, and it isn't a tough choice for them.

Not knowing who around you might be packing is a serious disincentive to gun crimes.

776 badger1970  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:25:13am

re: #569 turn

Though Round Rock, Georgetown, Hutto, Taylor and Pfullgerville now have a (D) as state representative.

Georgetown and Hutto have great school districts but Round Rock ISD (partly due to the Katrina guest who won't leave) has gone way down hill, way down. The Round Rock subdivisions aren't even using that as a selling point any more.

Overall, I like central TX and it's hill country. There's no why in hell I be moving back to America's Dairyland (too cold, high taxes and too many rednecks up in Rhinelander).

777 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:25:19am
778 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:25:36am

re: #747 lawhawk

The purposely don't run security in the same fashion from day to day to keep people who might be casing facilities from knowing what kind of routine is involved. There might be a week where there isn't much in the way of overt security, but other times there is a heavy presence.

Good.

This does remind me, that I did see some more obvious security in Boston during the DNC, including cops with dogs.

779 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #677 Van Helsing

Why do I have the feeling that the release of the 'torture' memos is just a shiny distraction from something else the administration is planning?

I know I'm paranoid. Am I paranoid enough?


Think: National Healthcare. That alone accounts for half of Obama's budgeted 1.5 TRILLION DOLLAR Deficit.

780 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:26:14am

Hoosier Daddy ... i wonder if Bob Knight wears sweaters in the summer in Texas?

781 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:27:42am

did anyone hear rush yesterday on earth day. he first thanked the coal miners
who started out as farmers digging coal out of the hills to keep warm and selling it
to others. then he thanked the oil men. and a big group of inventors and industrialists who brought us the amazing life style that people enjoy today.
replete w/ modern medicine, personal amenities, conveniences, science, technology.
he did not thank algore and the left who put all this stuff down as destructive to
the planet.
he also mentioned that earth day was started by a radical leftist murderer.
ira eichhorn, who killed his girlfriend because she dumped him. he put her body
in a trunk and kept it there until the stench caused neighbors to call the police.
he insisted he was innocent.he claimed it was the c.i.a who had killed her to
frame him. (mumia also says this). eichhorn jumped bail, a paltry $40,000, who some rich industrialist posted for him and he went to france and met a swedish
gal who he moved in w/. when he was finally located, france refused to extradite
him because pennsylvania has the death penalty. he lived the good life, as only
one can in france for 18 yrs. finally he was returned to the u.s. and convicted
of murder. he is doing life.
the p.o.s did, start earth day. i wonder how he practiced it the 'big house' this
yr.
just thought this was interesting.

782 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:27:57am

Ya'll see Bib playing hardball with The One?

Netanyahu to Obama: You take care of Iran, and then we’ll talk

...The new Israeli government will not move ahead on the core issues of peace talks with the Palestinians until it sees progress in U.S. efforts to stop Iran’s suspected pursuit of a nuclear weapon and limit Tehran’s rising influence in the region, according to top government officials familiar with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s developing policy on the issue.

Heh.

783 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:28:05am

re: #773 Occasional Reader

I just pulled it out of my e-mail trash:

Did you know that the City of Toronto is petitioning the Government of Canada to ban handguns in Canada? If you support this (and why wouldn’t you?!), please sign your name to the petition and pass this to anyone you know who cares about the safety of all Canadians.

784 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:28:33am

re: #779 realwest

Oh. Yeah. That could be

Hey, look! Torture!

Um, what where we talking about?

785 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:28:41am

re: #764 Kenneth

Define "idiot".

I use the definition of idiot as somebody with very low intelligence. We heard for years how stupid George Bush is, from Democrats who disagreed with his policies. They were wrong. Political views have nothing to do with intelligence. Politics is all about values, morality, ethics, character and psychology. You can have some very smart people believing some very nasty political ideology.

As I said before, one can be a highly educated idiot. I consider her an idiot for following policies that have proven in the past to be injurious to the country and for falling into the newspeak brainwash that obscures real issues with trite euphemisms. However, she isn't the first politician to do that.

786 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:28:45am

re: #781 nyc redneck

The bitch set him up!

787 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:28:57am

re: #729 NJDhockeyfan

At least he didn't put a caterpillar in his cell. //

BREAKING NEWS: SHOCKING BUSH/CHENEY "TORTURE MANUAL" IDENTIFIED!

788 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:29:07am

re: #773 Occasional Reader

How much more "anti-gun" do they want Canadian law to get?!

Crimes involving guns are still not as common in Toronto as in many US cities, but there have been a relatively large number of shootings recently, involving gangs & drug dealers. Nearly all of these incidents involve a certain ethnic group which shall remain nameless. (No, not that one). Rather than deal with the actual problem, our socialist mayor has been pushing to ban legal gun ownership in Toronto, and has now all of Canada.

789 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:29:36am

re: #769 Iron Fist

Or have a woman stand next to him, engage in smalltalk with him, get naked and rub her tits on him...

(Where do I sign up? Lap dances aren't exctly free, you know. The perks of being a Mohammedan terrorist are going up way faster than they are in my line of work...)

If you're ever in Congruity, Pennsylvania, you can visit the world's only drive-thru strip club.

790 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:29:45am

re: #788 Kenneth

I'll say it-JAMAICAN DRUG DEALERS have ruined the city.

791 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:01am

re: #788 Kenneth

Crimes involving guns are still not as common in Toronto as in many US cities, but there have been a relatively large number of shootings recently, involving gangs & drug dealers. Nearly all of these incidents involve a certain ethnic group which shall remain nameless. (No, not that one). Rather than deal with the actual problem, our socialist mayor has been pushing to ban legal gun ownership in Toronto, and has now all of Canada.

Huh. How 'bout that. Criminals break laws. Who'da thunk it?

792 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:17am

re: #786 WriterMom

The bitch set him up!

lol, hey there {WriterMom}
i've missed you. have you been on vacation.
:D

793 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:31am

re: #762 acwgusa

It's a very exclusive club! Only three members!

That must be the same size as those who found they had bad Macs.
I pick mine up from its second repair today. (2nd time the optical drive has been replaced; the first time, the display also got replaced. They also replaced one battery. I don't think they replaced the system board, although it has about a 20% chance of not waking from sleep if I close the system (laptop). It comes up, sort of, but the screen is off and they keyboard is dead.

But they did fix its problem to drop Wifi connections, although I wish they'd have it automatically reconnect the Bluetooth mouse instead of making me go through the dialogs to re-add it. (Vista does, to its credit, automatically reconnect a Bluetooth mouse. But it also drops Wifi connections on me, more than the Mac ever did.)

794 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:34am

re: #783 WriterMom

If you support this (and why wouldn’t you?!),

Good grief.

795 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:38am

re: #787 Occasional Reader

ROFL. That is a very scary book!

796 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:31:04am

re: #770 tfc3rid

Nah, my Masters degree is in Music History. Essentially worthless.

797 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:31:13am

re: #789 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If you're ever in Congruity, Pennsylvania, you can visit the world's only drive-thru strip club.

I LOVE this country!

798 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:31:21am

re: #794 Occasional Reader

I know. That's the part where I wanted to bang my head against the wall.

This is our Mayor.

799 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:31:34am

re: #789 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If you're ever in Congruity, Pennsylvania, you can visit the world's only drive-thru strip club.

That seems rather incongruous.

Good Morning Lizards!

800 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:31:47am

re: #792 nyc redneck

Hi there! Yes-I was in Israel for Passover.

801 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:17am

Isn't this the most fucking annoying thing on an e-mail:

Help save paper - do you need to print this email?

802 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #790 WriterMom

I'll say it-JAMAICAN DRUG DEALERS have ruined the city.

Go to your room!

803 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:42am

re: #772 reloadingisnotahobby

I almost got a gig as a census taker but the timing was off. They're winding up operations here in the next few weeks.

804 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:51am

re: #793 Kosh's Shadow

That must be the same size as those who found they had bad Macs.
I pick mine up from its second repair today. (2nd time the optical drive has been replaced; the first time, the display also got replaced. They also replaced one battery. I don't think they replaced the system board, although it has about a 20% chance of not waking from sleep if I close the system (laptop). It comes up, sort of, but the screen is off and they keyboard is dead.

But they did fix its problem to drop Wifi connections, although I wish they'd have it automatically reconnect the Bluetooth mouse instead of making me go through the dialogs to re-add it. (Vista does, to its credit, automatically reconnect a Bluetooth mouse. But it also drops Wifi connections on me, more than the Mac ever did.)

I've had that happen. I realized what was causing it was I had the router parked next to a 2.4 ghz wireless phone. DOH!

805 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:52am

re: #785 acwgusa

In other words, you define "idiot" as somebody who hold political opinions you disagree with. I think that is a mistake. The Left in America has some very smart people working very hard to destroy the principles upon which the country is founded. Obama & Napolitano are no idiots. They know what they are doing and why.

806 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:17am

re: #787 Occasional Reader

BREAKING NEWS: SHOCKING BUSH/CHENEY "TORTURE MANUAL" IDENTIFIED!

what's with the caterpillar thing OR? I've read that a couple of times here this morning and don't understand the reference.

807 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:21am

re: #789 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If you're ever in Congruity, Pennsylvania, you can visit the world's only drive-thru strip club.

But if you or your car blow a gasket, the people lined up behind you might start to get impatient ...

808 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:27am

re: #600 Mad Al-Jaffee

Most mornings I pick up a copy of the Express at the Metro, read Pearls Before Swine (best comic strip being published today!) and throw my copy away.

Those free libtard tabloid papers are littering the Metro.

I used to love the comic section of the newspapers. Then I discovered the front page. Well, why look to stick-figure drawings for amusement when the real joke is so often right there, front and center, above the fold?

809 MJ  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:49am

re: #782 NJDhockeyfan

Ya'll see Bib playing hardball with The One?

Netanyahu to Obama: You take care of Iran, and then we’ll talk

Heh.

The Israelis are already backing down from that position though I happen to think it's the correct method for moving forward:

Israel: Halt Iran to allow Mideast peace efforts

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said Wednesday that Iran must be reined in if Israel and the Palestinians hope to move along the path to peace.

Ayalon made it clear, however, that this was not an Israeli condition for going ahead with peacemaking, though Israel charges that Iran is the main backer of the violent Islamic Hamas rulers of Gaza as well as Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

"We should continue on the path of peace with the Palestinians as if there is no Iran threat," Ayalon told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday.

"Simultaneously, we should move forward on stopping Iran as if there was no Palestinian issue," added Ayalon, a former Israeli ambassador to the U.S...


[Link: www.google.com...]

810 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:21am

re: #801 WriterMom

Isn't this the most fucking annoying thing on an e-mail:

Help save paper - do you need to print this email?

Print a thousand of them and snail mail it back to the sender.

811 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:23am

re: #796 Killgore Trout

Nah, my Masters degree is in Music History. Essentially worthless.

That's OK. I'm an engineer and we have way too people with business degrees that are essentially worthless.

812 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:28am
813 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:39am

re: #798 WriterMom
They have to ban them!
How else can they say ALL the weapons are coming from the evil
USA!

814 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:52am

re: #711 lawhawk Hey lawhawk! From your link to Hercules:

At 51,000 strong, the NYPD employs more than 1.5 times as many people as the FBI, and its anti-terrorism initiative is a synchronized effort between the department's Intelligence Division and the Counter Terrorism Bureau. The Intelligence Division coordinates the Hercules teams, which are composed of specialist cops rotated in from throughout the force. The Counter Terrorism Bureau takes on a more focused role, functioning as the department's think tank on terrorism prevention and overseeing various subdepartments such as the NYPD/FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force. The effort even stretches far from New York, with nine liaisons assigned to such overseas hot spots as Tel Aviv, Israel; Amman, Jordan; and London.
New York has become a testing ground for urban terrorism prevention in a major city, integrating new thinking and sophisticated technology into every level of the force. And, the lessons learned are beginning to influence police forces in other cities. In 2004, Los Angeles launched Operation Archangel to identify possible targets and to develop protection plans for them, and the Chicago Police Department earlier this year began providing five days of terrorism training to all of its 13,500 officers. Several big cities, including Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Los Angeles and Chicago, even formed a network to gather and share intelligence--an interagency version of what New York built in-house. The NYPD provides valuable consultation to many other local police departments and even state and federal agencies, from the Department of Defense to the Illinois State Police. In fact, international police forces from the Netherlands, Singapore and other countries have sent representatives to the NYPD to learn its tactics.

"Clearly, New York is way in front on this," says Brian Michael Jenkins, a terrorism expert with the Rand Corp. "As the threat gets more diffused, we are going to have less of the kind of intelligence that can be picked up by the feds. We are dealing now with threats that are deliberately operating under the radar. Therefore, we have to aim the radar lower, to the local level."

[emphasis, realwest]
That's comforting to know, thanks!

815 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:01am

re: #790 WriterMom

I'll say it-JAMAICAN DRUG DEALERS have ruined the city.

Don't worry, once the handgun ban is passed, they'll all become wonderfully helpful community organizers.

(Weird how different countries get different ethnic gangs arising from immigrant groups... AFAIK, there's no large-scale Jamaican gang problem in the US (I may be badly wrong), and Jamaicans are a relatively successful immigrant group here.)

816 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:11am

Terrorist, Terrorist...what do you see?
I see an eagle about to torture me.

Eric Carle is a genius!

817 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:12am

re: #790 WriterMom

Racist!

Shhh... you're not supposed to mention them. The "ultimate cause" of all crime is heterosexual white male gun owners. Get with the program!

818 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:25am
819 vxbush  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:58am

Morning everyone. Drive-by post, as this week's insanity continues and I'm just about off to a mind-numbing two-hour meeting. I was going to take my laptop, but it's in a different building and rain is coming in. Argh.

820 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #812 Killgore Trout

Got a big fish...
Iraq Al-Qaeda boss Abu Omar al-Baghdadi 'is captured'

Now if they can just find that fat f*** al-Sadr...

821 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:36:23am

How did everyone celebrate Earth Day yesterday?

I gassed up my SUV and went for a joy ride through the beautiful mountains before I went to work.

822 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:37:01am

re: #806 turn

what's with the caterpillar thing OR? I've read that a couple of times here this morning and don't understand the reference.

I'm basically riffing off of posts I've seen, too... apparently one of the things spelled out in the torture! memos is that one horrible torture! method used on a high-profile al-Qaeda was to place caterpillars in his cell (which freaked him out, for some reason).

823 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:37:27am

re: #805 Kenneth

In other words, you define "idiot" as somebody who hold political opinions you disagree with. I think that is a mistake. The Left in America has some very smart people working very hard to destroy the principles upon which the country is founded. Obama & Napolitano are no idiots. They know what they are doing and why.

Yes, I consider smart people working hard to destroy the foundations of America to be idiots, because they are wasting their intelligence on an ultimately self-destructive end.

824 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:37:53am
825 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:38:04am

re: #782 NJDhockeyfan

Ya'll see Bib playing hardball with The One?

Netanyahu to Obama: You take care of Iran, and then we’ll talk

Heh.

good..and so it begins...BO has choices to make and will actually have to produce...Bibi is no fool

826 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:38:23am

re: #817 Kenneth

Heterosexual male gun owners...tell me more...

827 SixDegrees  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:38:25am

re: #821 NJDhockeyfan

How did everyone celebrate Earth Day yesterday?

I gassed up my SUV and went for a joy ride through the beautiful mountains before I went to work.

You drove it?

I left mine in the parking lot all day. Idling.

828 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:38:28am
829 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:39:39am

re: #795 WriterMom

ROFL. That is a very scary book!

This one is scarier:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

830 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:40:24am

re: #815 Occasional Reader

Yes. The Greeks have restaurants, Portugese mostly in construction. Koreans with convenience stores, Jamiacans-drugs, and actually there are also Vietnamese drug gangs too. Chinese-restaurants. Indian immigrants have been very successful here in professions-engineering, medicine, technology etc...very highly motivitated. The black African community has nothing to do with drugs-it's very much a Jamaican thing.

831 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:40:34am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

Terry and the PiratesVolunteer Coastguardsmen

FIFY

832 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:41:53am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

I sitll miss The Far Side.

833 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:41:54am
834 johnnyreb  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:42:06am

re: #788 Kenneth

Crimes involving guns are still not as common in Toronto as in many US cities, but there have been a relatively large number of shootings recently, involving gangs & drug dealers. Nearly all of these incidents involve a certain ethnic group which shall remain nameless. (No, not that one). Rather than deal with the actual problem, our socialist mayor has been pushing to ban legal gun ownership in Toronto, and has now all of Canada.

And banning guns will stop them exactly how?

835 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:42:11am

re: #822 Occasional Reader

oh, thanks. I'm sure it's a common interrogation technique to figure out what someones phobias are and then exploit them to gain info, as long as you don't cross the torture line. Part of me thinks all the hype about "torture" going on now is just another head fake by team O, you know a distraction to keep the masses from focusing on the real issues. But I have the sinking feeling this thing is real and they are not going to be satisfied until someone in the former Bush admin goes down for this.

836 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:43:07am
837 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #827 SixDegrees

You drove it?

I left mine in the parking lot all day. Idling.

Speaking of idling vehicles... NYC has new big billboard touting that vehicle idling is a crime and will cost you $2,000...

838 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:43:18am

btw on earth day, i planted irises, lettuces and raked the leaves off of the primroses. and i cleaned out the bird boxes for the tree swallows.
it is incredible how off the left is abt. being conservators of the earth.
there is so much money being made w/ the whole going "green" fad.
algore is playing on our feelings. he has made over 100M dollars w/ the global
warming scam. he is not in a position to look objectively at the facts.
even if scientists actually prove there is no man made global warming, it will be difficult to get rid of all these "green" schemes, especially once the gov't
institutes these welfare programs.
hmmm, does anyone want to buy some 'carbon credits'?
half price sale going on now.

839 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:45:20am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

And one of my personal favorites, The Phantom.

I mean, really. Dude rides the fastest horse around, has a killer guard dog, shoots twin .45s with never-miss results, and lives in a cave shaped like a skull.

What, right there, is going to be unappealing to a growing boy?

840 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:45:23am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

The Far Side, Peanuts (I know, it is still carried, but in "re-runs"), not to mention the newspaper versions of superhero comics, which were often better than the comic book versions.

841 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:45:49am

Ark. man digging in garden unearths cannonball

FORT SMITH, Ark. – Officials say a Fort Smith man digging in his garden unearthed a Civil War-era cannonball that's possibly still explosive. The unidentified man was tending to his garden Tuesday at his home when he found the rusted, 4-inch-diameter iron ball.

Bill Black, the park superintendent of the Fort Smith National Historic Site, said the cannonball appears to be a live round that's about 145 years old.

842 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:45:53am

The Department of Justice is pissed at Rahm Emanuel over his handling of torture investigations / prosecutionsaccording to this source.

The statements were viewed as a frontal assault on the autonomy and independence of the criminal-justice system. “Emanuel got far ahead of the process and described it in a way that clearly suggested that political judgment was driving the entire process,” one senior Justice official told me. “It was depressing and amateurish.”

Now the White House misstep may in fact be propelling the process in the opposite direction. Another Justice Department official observed, “The department is now in the process of making some very tough decisions about what to do with this extremely complex and difficult matter. Emanuel’s statement was unfortunate, because now if the attorney general decides against appointing a special prosecutor, people are going to believe that this was a politically dictated decision. The only clear way out of this bind may now be to do what the critics suggest and appoint a special prosecutor.” Demands for the appointment of a special prosecutor have been proliferating in recent days following the release of the torture memoranda on April 16.

So you can expect witch trials soon. And expect those tried (Ashcroft and Rice) to not be able to subpoena any memos that might aid their defense.

Those are secret.

843 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:46:07am

And for some more Earth Day goodness... NYC Mayor for Life Mike Bloomberg yesterday announced the following requirements for large buildings...

Green standards are outlined in the code and three other new bills, and will require:
* buildings 50,000 thousand square feet or more to upgrade lighting systems to be more energy efficient
* complete energy audits once every ten years
* building owners submit to a yearly analysis of energy consumption

844 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:46:08am

re: #839 razorbacker

What, right there, is going to be unappealing to a growing boy?

-Old jungle saying

845 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:46:51am

This morning's Towercam. (San Gabriel Mountains)

And I hate to see this whole "green" thing going political, it is the kiss of death for something that is sensible, namely to take care of the planet. At the moment, anything that becomes political, automatically 1/2 of the people are against it.

846 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:46:51am

re: #789 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If you're ever in Congruity, Pennsylvania, you can visit the world's only drive-thru strip club.

Around here, we have espresso stands that feature women in bikinis or less. Lattes and ooh-la-la. Yuck.

847 UFO TOFU  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:47:08am

re: #837 tfc3rid

Wow, that's a pretty steep fine. CA has idling restrictions on commercial vehicles, but I think the first offense is $200.

848 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:48:02am

re: #837 tfc3rid

Speaking of idling vehicles... NYC has new big billboard touting that vehicle idling is a crime and will cost you $2,000...

I know that was probably enacted out of green goodness, but NYC really does stink. I mean that literally, it smells really bad. When I walk around the streets my hair, clothes, skin feel coated in exhaust and other street fumes. Buildings are packed together so tightly, fumes have no where to go, I guess.

849 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:48:53am

re: #810 Ford_Prefect

Print a thousand of them and snail mail it back to the sender.

C.O.D.

850 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:02am

re: #839 razorbacker

And one of my personal favorites, The Phantom.

I mean, really. Dude rides the fastest horse around, has a killer guard dog, shoots twin .45s with never-miss results, and lives in a cave shaped like a skull.

What, right there, is going to be unappealing to a growing boy?

Multiple problems with that strip:

1) He's a white man, living in Africa, and exercising neo-colonial dominance over the peoples of color.

2) He has guns. Guns are bad.

3) He believes himself to be the "owner" of the horse and dog, thereby demonstrating shocking species-centrism.

851 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:07am

re: #844 Occasional Reader

-Old jungle saying

And the OJSes. Man, those jungle dudes must have just sat around all day and talked. They had a saying for every situation.

You couldn't swing a dead cat without knocking some old jungle sage over.

852 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:21am

re: #840 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Andy Capp, you drunken wife beater!"

-Homer Simpson

853 big steve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:51am

I am seeing something weird...the ads and stuff on the right is way down the page well below the end of the comments...anyone else seeing that?

854 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:12am

re: #757 Fluffy Bunny

Fluffy, please know that you have my hopes and prayers for a positive outcome. I work at a big hospital, and trust me, after seeing some of our patients, I suddenly do not have any problems.

855 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:18am

re: #849 Cygnus

C.O.D.

One envelope per copy.

856 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:34am

re: #851 razorbacker

Man, those jungle dudes must have just sat around all day and talked.

They must be the ones who informed Hillary of that "it takes a village" dealie.

857 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:37am
858 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:51:11am

re: #848 Russkilitlover

I know that was probably enacted out of green goodness, but NYC really does stink. I mean that literally, it smells really bad. When I walk around the streets my hair, clothes, skin feel coated in exhaust and other street fumes. Buildings are packed together so tightly, fumes have no where to go, I guess.

The NYC summertime smell is special... Garbage + urine... Excellent.

859 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:51:37am

re: #514 realwest

Perhaps let the backlash begin might have been better but I am furious with the witch hunt. This should be the left's Army-McCarthy hearing. They seek to indict the innocent. McCarthy was right there were communists in the US government but his methods and tactics were vile. We will not make that mistake. The Democrats are targeting people who saved American lives, who had NO OTHER WAY of getting information that indisputably saved American lives (hell most people in LA are democrats- why do I care more about their voters' lives than they do?) merits all out support for our guardians.

We have to go to the mat for these people. This is the line. I they want to commit suicide, they can move tot he Swat Valley or call Dr. Kevorkian but they cannot and must not be permitted to risk my life in the name of their idiocy.

Let us not forget that as they blind our military and intelligence agencies, they are opening up our borders to a mass influx of immigrants. Among these people will be certifiable enemies who mean this nation harm and wish to destroy the US. These are the exact policies that let Mohammed Atta and 18 other scum march into our country, practice their flying on the basis of half filled in forms filled with obvious lies. Once is an accident, when you do the same things after a lesson like 911, you gotta pay the price for being willfully stupid.

860 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:51:51am

re: #855 Ford_Prefect

One envelope per copy.

Using very large envelopes.

861 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #850 Occasional Reader

Multiple problems with that strip:

1) He's a white man, living in Africa, and exercising neo-colonial dominance over the peoples of color.

2) He has guns. Guns are bad.

Did you ever see that old TV show Africa, Texas Style? Used to love that one.

862 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:11am

for example,
if anyone is going to europe this summer, you can pay me to stay home.
you can feel good abt, going, aware of the fact that i have given up my trip
so you can enjoy yours guilt free, concerning the hideous toxic pollution that is emitted by jets and won't be doubled by me, perhaps causing another plane to be needed.
(i don't think it should matter that i wasn't planning on traveling anyway.)

interesting how algore has no problem doing this.
what a ponzi scheme. under most circumstances he would be prosecuted for fraud. mostly for deceiving the public.

863 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:13am

But really folks, the most important issue of the day is that Lil' Rounds and Anoop Desai got voted off American Idol... The diversity was eliminated last night... Now we are stuck with 5 white kids!

864 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:18am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know a lot of the comics on your list. I do remember reading a few of them in what must have been their decline. Fortunately for me, my parents had a couple of Pogo collections, so I do remember that one with fondness and admiration.

You may not agree, but I happen to think Frazz, Candorville, and Sherman's Lagoon are quite cleverly drawn.

Are there any lizards out there who happen to have read and remembered the comic Room A313?

865 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:22am

re: #858 tfc3rid

The NYC summertime smell is special... Garbage + urine... Excellent.

And yet, somehow, I miss it.

Go figure.

866 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:27am

re: #850 Occasional Reader

All good points.

To which I present my reasoned, well-thought-out response.

*Phbbbt*

867 big steve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #857 taxfreekiller

In Texas.
Last year to this date: 5,700 Concealed Carry Permits request.

This year to this date: 12,500 Concealed Carry Permits request.

Peace be with you.

which is why, on the Houston Freeways, I never get into road rage arguments with the driver next to me...more than a trival percent chance he is packing heat...

868 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #843 tfc3rid

And for some more Earth Day goodness... NYC Mayor for Life Mike Bloomberg yesterday announced the following requirements for large buildings...

Green standards are outlined in the code and three other new bills, and will require:
* buildings 50,000 thousand square feet or more to upgrade lighting systems to be more energy efficient
* complete energy audits once every ten years
* building owners submit to a yearly analysis of energy consumption

Yeah, more unfunded mandates that will actually kill jobs and slow the pace of rehabbing buildings because of the increased costs all of which will result in higher rents since those costs aren't going to be eaten by the landlords, but rather passed on to the tenants.

869 Buck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:53:15am

[Link: www.wbir.com...]

“A crewman from the Maersk Alabama says the sole surviving pirate — who now faces charges in the U.S. — seemed happy that he’d raided an American vessel. The crewman — ‘Zahid’ Reza — says Abdiwali Muse told him it was his dream to come to the USA.”

870 Pupdawg  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:53:15am

re: #357 laZardo

I remember back in the 90s when American arcade games had big FBI "Winners Don't Do Drugs" start-up screens. Brings a soft smile to my face whenever I discover an old machine that displays it.

Ditto, laZardo...on the soft smile, too.

Arcade games of my youth cost either a nickle or a dime to play and there was this 'Home Run' Baseball game by Williams (I think) that was absolutely awesome. You could win a free game if you were able to hit a home run with two outs and a man on first and third as I recall. We had one at a Morrison's diner on Peachtree Street in Atlanta that had the smoothest, sweet bat action you have ever seen. We used to play it for hours on a single dime, but don't choose the curve ball pitch when you've lined-up the runners with two outs to send one over the fence! That machine had a wicked curve ball pitcher and a fast ball that grooved 5 by 5 across the plate...so, hit a double then a single with two outs and time your swing just right on the fast ball and 'Holy Cow!'...that ball's outta here! "Order up' rings out as a free game clicks like a solid knock on wood on the board. This particular game had great graphics, as well.
Then, you could pass the next game onto a buddy when your order of two dogs smothered in chili and onions covered in mayonnaise, mustard and ketchup with a side of home-cut fries to be washed-down with a frosted-glass chocolate shake with whipped cream and cherry on top (hand-dipped ice cream, machine shaken, not stirred) was countered for you. Man alive, those were the days!

871 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:53:22am

re: #865 Occasional Reader

And yet, somehow, I miss it.

Go figure.

I imagine I will when I move later this year...

872 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:53:44am

Westie the reason al Qaeda will attack is they think it gets us to convert to Islam. It is not how you or I think but it is how THEY think.

873 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

Besides, the great comic strips are long gone. "Pearls Before Swine" is OK, but it's not particularly well-drawn; there has been no truly well-drawn strip since "Calvin and Hobbes." In the meantime, look at what there used to be on the comics page:

Li'l Abner
Dick Tracy
Little Orphan Annie
Rick O'Shay
Smokey Stover
Big George
Steve Roper
Terry and the Pirates
Steve Canyon
Buz Sawyer
Pogo
There Oughta Be a Law
Our Boardinghouse
Moon Mullins
They'll Do It Every Time
Grin & Bear It

That's when a comics page was fun.

Remember Cappy Dick? "Hey Kids! Try for these prizes!"

874 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #834 johnnyreb

It won't do a damn thing to lower the crime rate. This is simply a classic leftist delusion. By the way... do you know which city in Canada has the highest murder rate?

Saskatoon.

875 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:07am

re: #868 lawhawk

Yeah, more unfunded mandates that will actually kill jobs and slow the pace of rehabbing buildings because of the increased costs all of which will result in higher rents since those costs aren't going to be eaten by the landlords, but rather passed on to the tenants.

You got that right... NY cannot believe the amounts of people moving out... Well, this is just another reason why...

My gf (soon-to-be fiancee) and I are likely moving to suburban Atlanta later this year... The City and State government here can kiss my ass on the way out the door... And I don't want their tax refund IOU... I want MY money.

876 J.S.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:14am

re: #822 Occasional Reader

Wait a second -- I've read that this was merely a "thought" experiment -- someone thought about doing that, but there were never any bugs (caterpillars, etc.) put into a cell/box, etc. (also heard from CNN that this was an idea picked up from George Orwell's novel, 1984.) (Also, great article "Let the show trials begin" by Frum: re: prosecuting lawyers for giving advice as political "crimes.")

877 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:27am
878 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #863 tfc3rid

But really folks, the most important issue of the day is that Lil' Rounds and Anoop Desai got voted off American Idol... The diversity was eliminated last night... Now we are stuck with 5 white kids!

gag me...on that note I'm off to see some cool New Mexico countryside...little treasures everywhere waiting for me to discover them...

879 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:52am

By far the vast majority of Jamaicans in Toronto are honest, hard-working, law-abiding folks.
However, the bad ones are very, very, bad.

880 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:56:29am

re: #873 Cygnus

Remember Cappy Dick? "Hey Kids! Try for these prizes!"

The local comic book store has been having a huge sale this month - 75% all comics. I've been getting old Spider-Man & others from the 80s for less than their cover price in some instances. I love the old ads for weirdo toys & "real submarines"

881 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:56:30am

re: #873 Cygnus

The Piranha Club

882 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:56:33am

re: #876 J.S.

Wait a second -- I've read that this was merely a "thought" experiment

Could be. Like I said, I was riffing off other posts... haven't seen an original news story on this particular topic yet.

Later.

883 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:57:04am

re: #805 Kenneth

In other words, you define "idiot" as somebody who hold political opinions you disagree with. I think that is a mistake. The Left in America has some very smart people working very hard to destroy the principles upon which the country is founded. Obama & Napolitano are no idiots. They know what they are doing and why.

I was thinking about your statement, and I've reconsidered my statement. No, they aren't idiots. They are very intelligent people focusing that intelligence on pursuing an end goal I consider to be idiotic.

884 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:57:06am

re: #859 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

torture does not provide reliable information
/
seriously, when I hear the anti-torture people talk about all the dead end pieces of information that will be gathered and just what a waste of time it all is I get furious. If lives are saved then each and every dead end is worth it.

885 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:58:24am

Off to the Burlington Mall to pick up my repaired Mac, and get lunch.
I'll watch out for terrorists with guns and bombs; thanks for the discussion of terrorism against malls.

886 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:58:27am

re: #860 NJDhockeyfan

Using very large envelopes.

And include a brick in each one.

887 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:58:28am

re: #863 tfc3rid

But really folks, the most important issue of the day is that Lil' Rounds and Anoop Desai got voted off American Idol... The diversity was eliminated last night... Now we are stuck with 5 white kids!

I thought Allison was Hispanic. Am I wrong?

888 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:59:03am

re: #886 Cygnus

And include a brick in each one.

And send it express so that they have to make a special trip.

889 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:59:41am

re: #884 turn

torture does not provide reliable information
/
seriously, when I hear the anti-torture people talk about all the dead end pieces of information that will be gathered and just what a waste of time it all is I get furious. If lives are saved then each and every dead end is worth it.

Having every interrogation generate high value intel is an impossible goal. Setting up impossible goals and deriding an effective practice for not meeting them is, I believe, one of Alinsky's favorite tactics.

890 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:00:24am

Our tax dollars hard at work:

Senate wants $5M to study financial crisis

891 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:00:55am
892 redheadredstate  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:01:14am

re: #516 doppelganglander

Good morning, folks. Do we have any Austin lizards around, or people familiar with Austin? My husband is being considered for a job there and I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about the place than I do.

It's extremly liberal. It's like a little island of liberalism in the midst of a sea of sanity. The food's good, they have the SXSW music festival and lots of quirky folks that live there. Also a huge college town (UT) so lots of crazy drivers and bad traffic.

893 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:01:15am

re: #717 Occasional Reader
Replied to.

894 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:02:07am

re: #876 J.S.

Wait a second -- I've read that this was merely a "thought" experiment -- someone thought about doing that, but there were never any bugs (caterpillars, etc.) put into a cell/box, etc. (also heard from CNN that this was an idea picked up from George Orwell's novel, 1984.) (Also, great article "Let the show trials begin" by Frum: re: prosecuting lawyers for giving advice as political "crimes.")

do you have a link for that JS, the frum article?

895 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:02:41am

re: #883 acwgusa

I was thinking about your statement, and I've reconsidered my statement. No, they aren't idiots. They are very intelligent people focusing that intelligence on pursuing an end goal I consider to be idiotic.

Only an idiot would call a real idiot an idiot.

896 razorbacker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:02:57am

See y'all later.

897 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:03:35am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

Our tax dollars hard at work:

Senate wants $5M to study financial crisis

Hey! I just thought of a way to save $5 Million of taxpayer money.

898 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:04:51am

re: #774 HoosierHoops
Yep, received and replied to!

899 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:04:58am
900 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:05:26am

Hypocrisy in the extreme -

Looks like Mexico has been using torture in its fight against drug cartels. Has Obama simply looked past it as he tries to "rehabilitate our reputation in the world" by blaming Americans for the violence there?

901 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:05:42am

re: #889 CIA Reject

Having every interrogation generate high value intel is an impossible goal. Setting up impossible goals and deriding an effective practice for not meeting them is, I believe, one of Alinsky's favorite tactics.

turns going to have to study up on Alinsky, but from what I've gathered here O's administration seems to be using all of his tactics in one form or another.

902 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:06:33am

NJDhockeyfan

Given this is the most spectacular time of the year (NHL Playoffs) did you catch the Brad Stuart check on Umberger in the DET v CLS series Tuesday? Best hip check leveled since Konstantinov.

903 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:07:18am

re: #859 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

United States federal agencies such as the CIA have been stripped of their power to protect citizens from terrorists and other threats by leftists in Washington. At what point does it become obvious that some in the highest levels of our federal government are in violation of their oath to, "... support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; ...?"
The present administration seems determined to self destruct and take the United States down along with it.

904 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:07:18am

re: #887 lurking faith

I thought Allison was Hispanic. Am I wrong?

Ooooh... True... Possibly a hispanic/asian mix... Well, then it isn't only 5 typical white people...

905 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:08:04am

re: #872 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Westie the reason al Qaeda will attack is they think it gets us to convert to Islam. It is not how you or I think but it is how THEY think.

That's not the reason. There is a civil war going on in the Muslim world for the past 15 to 20 years. Look at the number of Islamic terrorist attacks around the world, and the numbers of people killed, as a measure of where the central front of the war is. Most attacks are against other Muslims; those seen as either members of heretical sects, or against those seen as "moderate" apostates. The two largest factions fighting this war are the Sunni extremists (Al Qaeda is only the most famous of those) and the Shia extremists (lead by Iran). They are fighting each other for dominance of the ummah, and they are fighting against the perceived apostate regimes of the Muslim world.

The strategy Al Qaeda adopted was to attack America, provoking America to declare war on all Muslims generally and on Saudi Arabia specifically. Osama bin Laden thought this would cause Muslims to rally around him.

They will try to attack America again for the same reason. They will attack Europe for a different reason; to make them cower and surrender as Spain did in March 2005.

906 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:08:33am

John Gibson playing an ad from MoveOn.org asking folks to call AG Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Bush Admin. for torture.

907 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:10:02am

re: #873 Cygnus

You forgot Out our Way, starring Maggie and Jiggs, and co-starring Dinty Moore's.

908 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #902 CommonCents

NJDhockeyfan

Given this is the most spectacular time of the year (NHL Playoffs) did you catch the Brad Stuart check on Umberger in the DET v CLS series Tuesday? Best hip check leveled since Konstantinov.

Yes. It reminded me of the Scott Stevens check on Lindros a few years ago.

909 irish rose  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:10:41am

Good morning everyone, rolling in later than usual today but just wanted to say howdy.

Did I miss anything?

910 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:10:48am

re: #905 Kenneth

Are there any upcoming major elections in Europe?

911 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:10:57am

re: #908 NJDhockeyfan

Yes. It reminded me of the Scott Stevens check on Lindros a few years ago.

My head still hurts just from watching that.

912 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:11:12am

re: #906 tfc3rid

John Gibson playing an ad from MoveOn.org asking folks to call AG Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Bush Admin. for torture.

Talk about a group that doesn't get it's own name. I can see it now at GWB's funeral in 2035 "MoveOn.org buys full page ad in the US Times of New York - deep discount approved by omsbudman John Kerry"

913 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:12:02am
914 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:12:11am

re: #908 NJDhockeyfan

Yes. It reminded me of the Scott Stevens check on Lindros a few years ago.

That one was a classic. It's a shame Lindros was forced to hang-em up. He always set himself up so nicely for getting laid out.

915 J.S.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #894 turn

Here's the link for "Let the show trials begin" by David Frum..

916 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:12:34am

re: #909 irish rose

Good morning everyone, rolling in later than usual today but just wanted to say howdy.

Did I miss anything?

Hi Rose. I just wanted to say how impressed turn was with your blog post supporting Charles, you write so well.

917 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:12:47am

re: #909 irish rose

Good morning everyone, rolling in later than usual today but just wanted to say howdy.

Did I miss anything?

The entire US intelligence community is paralyzed, the POTUS is a world-wide laughing stock, and the economy is still in the toilet. Other than that there's not much going on. :-)

/Good morning to you too!

918 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:13:08am

re: #915 J.S.

Thanks

919 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:13:34am

Stevens Hits Lindros video...incredible.

920 SteveC  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:13:36am

Oh my God... *FACEPALM*

Got this tweet a few moments ago:

"Looking for a venue to do some fundraising for local women's democratic council. Event planning on a budget such a turn-on."

How can you say "democratic council" and "on a budget" in the same paragraph and be serious?!?!?!

921 aggieann  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:13:48am

re: #516 doppelganglander

Good morning, folks. Do we have any Austin lizards around, or people familiar with Austin? My husband is being considered for a job there and I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about the place than I do.

Live music capital of the U.S. . . . beautiful scenery (at the far eastern edge of the Hill Country) . . . lots of great local restaurants . . . home of the 50,000-student University of Texas . . . ultra liberal . . . lots of hippies and East Coast/West Coast transplants . . . home prices are lower than the national average but high for Texas. . . city planners didn't plan for growth over the past two decades so traffic is a nightmare.

922 irish rose  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:14:50am

re: #916 turn

Hi Rose. I just wanted to say how impressed turn was with your blog post supporting Charles, you write so well.

Well geepers... thanks for the compliment.
There will be more of them.

923 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:15:16am
924 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:16:16am

re: #916 turn

Hi Rose. I just wanted to say how impressed turn was with your blog post supporting Charles, you write so well.

I love the 3rd person references. Are you really Rickey Henderson?

925 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:16:17am

The definition of creepy.

926 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:16:43am

re: #902 CommonCents

NJDhockeyfan

Given this is the most spectacular time of the year (NHL Playoffs) did you catch the Brad Stuart check on Umberger in the DET v CLS series Tuesday? Best hip check leveled since Konstantinov.

It's driving me crazy that I'm missing the games in that series. So far, only one has been aired in my local market. Tonight's game will not be shown here, either.

By contrast, they are airing the Capitals-Rangers games twice each. Live, and then again the following evening.

927 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:16:54am

NJDHockeyfan posted this in the spinoff links, and it's threadworthy:

Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

928 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:17:27am

re: #910 tfc3rid

UK

929 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:18:02am

re: #884 turn

It is very important to leftists to try to say this.

Let us state the obvious first- the people we fight are not going to give any American their rights under the Geneva Convention. We will, of course, not go down that road but there are many documented instances of useful information being divulged under harsh interrogation.

Our laws are supposed to protect us not those who would destroy us. Torture should and ought to be the last resort; it is nothing to be proud of, can never be permitted to be used on a wholesale basis but if lives are at stake, you save the lives.

930 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:18:23am

re: #927 Ward Cleaver

NJDHockeyfan posted this in the spinoff links, and it's threadworthy:

Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

Okay, not the exact link, but close.

931 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:18:49am

re: #926 lurking faith

It's driving me crazy that I'm missing the games in that series. So far, only one has been aired in my local market. Tonight's game will not be shown here, either.

By contrast, they are airing the Capitals-Rangers games twice each. Live, and then again the following evening.

I'm able to watch (what's left) of the Flyers-Penguins series on Comcast Sportsnet, Versus is showing other series, and the Comcast Network (not Sportsnet) is showing other series. Pretty cool if I only had the time to watch them all!

932 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:19:02am

re: #913 buzzsawmonkey

Why would they need a "special prosecutor?" Special prosecutors came in during Watergate, for the simple reason that revelations of wrongdoing in the then-current administration, including the Justice Department, made it impossible for the administration to credibly investigate itself.

The Bush Administration does not exist. It is over. There is no need for a "special prosecutor." The only reason to have one is to mount an investigation which the current Administration can hold at arm's length so that it can distance itself from findings and actions, but that is--to use Holder's own phrase--a cowardly thing to do.

I have only 2 words to say to that:
Kenneth Starr.

933 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:19:12am

re: #835 turn
Hi Turn! "But I have the sinking feeling this thing is real and they are not going to be satisfied until someone in the former Bush admin goes down for this."
Gonna be hard to do when Pelosi and Feinstein - among other VERY PROMINENT Democrats were fully briefed by the CIA when the Dems took control of Congress after the '06 elections - including briefings on interrogation techniques and results therefrom and the Dem Congressional Leadership NEVER SAID A WORD ABOUT IT AT THE TIME.

I agree with others out here: this is purely a misdirection from Obama's Fugly budget and cuts in the Defense Department - the worst of which is the cutting of the F-22 Raptors (who needs "air superiority" anyway? and the Anti-ballistic Missile program (who needs defense against Nork and other Missiles that can already reach America anyway?).
Plus of course it enables Obama to throw some more red meat to his primary constituency.

934 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:19:56am

re: #933 realwest

I agree with others out here: this is purely a misdirection from Obama's Fugly budget and cuts in the Defense Department - the worst of which is the cutting of the F-22 Raptors (who needs "air superiority" anyway? and the Anti-ballistic Missile program (who needs defense against Nork and other Missiles that can already reach America anyway?).
Plus of course it enables Obama to throw some more red meat to his primary constituency.

The F-22 is actually called an "Air Dominance" fighter.

935 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:20:28am

re: #837 tfc3rid

Speaking of idling vehicles... NYC has new big billboard touting that vehicle idling is a crime and will cost you $2,000...


WHAT?!? You have to be kidding me!

936 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:20:40am

'Free Barghouti for Pollard'

Ali Waked

Jewish-American figures reportedly urge PA to promote exchange deal; Pollard's wife: This was never an option

Not one name of a person or organization cited. This is Waked floating a trial balloon for his handlers.

I CALL BULLSHIT.

937 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:21:20am

John Gibson talking about torture nonsense (from our pals at MSNBC) and playing tapes of callers from the WTC on 9/11 to make the point that who the fuck cares that we tortured these creeps.

Awesome.

938 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:21:39am

re: #921 aggieann

Live music capital of the U.S. . . . beautiful scenery (at the far eastern edge of the Hill Country) . . . lots of great local restaurants . . . home of the 50,000-student University of Texas . . . ultra liberal . . . lots of hippies and East Coast/West Coast transplants . . . home prices are lower than the national average but high for Texas. . . city planners didn't plan for growth over the past two decades so traffic is a nightmare.

Thanks, aggieann. UT is a major plus in my book. My youngest has one year of high school remaining and wants to go to film school. I understand UT's is one of the best.

939 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:21:45am

re: #923 buzzsawmonkey

That was originally Bringing Up Father. It was an example of both stereotype and inclusion; Jiggs was an Irish bricklayer who had won the Irish Sweepstakes. His wife Maggie had social pretensions, but Jiggs preferred hanging around with the low companions of his pre-wealthy days. The characters were all Irish stereotypes of the broadest sort, and therefore, in today's world, "bigoted"--yet it also signaled inclusion/acceptance of the Irish, who had been discriminated against in the 19th century, into the larger society.

I guess I was rather young to consider the past history of Jiggs when I read the column. Thanks for filling me in. Another thing I remember is that Maggie could take on the entire clientele of Dinty Moore's at once, and whip them into a pile of pain-racked bodies. She could also break glass when she attempted to sing.
Susan Boyle she was not.

940 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:21:48am

re: #927 Ward Cleaver

NJDHockeyfan posted this in the spinoff links, and it's threadworthy:

Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations


Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., has been pushing for an independent, bipartisan commission to investigate.
"I'm not one who feels we should turn the page if you haven't read the page," Leahy said.

I wonder if he read the stimulus package before voting on it.

941 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:22:03am

re: #915 J.S.

Here's the link for "Let the show trials begin" by David Frum..

That seemed like a warning from Frum, turn doesn't think O will listen. I have a sinking feeling this thing is going to end up a disaster for the nation and with someone from the Bush administration on trial. I'm going to have to go find that daily kos add, the torture thing is really gaining momentum with the left.

942 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:22:11am
943 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:23:05am

re: #905 Kenneth

I do not disagree there is all but open warfare between Sunni and Shia but there is a great deal of evidence that AQ and Iran have an excellent working relationship. The recent arrests of Hezbollah operatives in the Egyptian Sinai as well as Iranian support of Hamas clearly shows a Muslim Brotherhood/Hezbollah-Iran connection.

There is no question Bin Laden claimed the attacks would convert us to Islam, indeed the Koran specifically mentions attacking the enemy to coerce conversion. It is right there. It is coutnerintuitive to us but there it is.

944 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:23:35am

re: #942 buzzsawmonkey

I tend to think that Pandora's Box is already open... And the shitstorm is going to hit Obama either way now...

945 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:23:43am

re: #941 turn

That seemed like a warning from Frum, turn doesn't think O will listen. I have a sinking feeling this thing is going to end up a disaster for the nation and with someone from the Bush administration on trial. I'm going to have to go find that daily kos add, the torture thing is really gaining momentum with the left.

Wasn't Frum one of the conservatives who jumped ship & voted for Obama?

946 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:23:47am

re: #842 karmic_inquisitor
Respectfully - the DOJ is misdirecting here; The A.G. and POTUS have wanted this special investigation since Obama won the election (remember when campaigning he said he was against it?!).

947 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:24:11am

re: #944 tfc3rid

I tend to think that Pandora's Box is already open... And the shitstorm is going to hit Obama either way now...

We can only hope ...

948 lurking faith  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:24:12am

re: #931 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm able to watch (what's left) of the Flyers-Penguins series on Comcast Sportsnet, Versus is showing other series, and the Comcast Network (not Sportsnet) is showing other series. Pretty cool if I only had the time to watch them all!

*jealous*

949 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:24:38am

It should also be noted that Bin Laden never expected all out invasion of Afghanistan post 911. He thought our response would be Clinton style bomb and retreat.

950 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:24:48am

Dick Cheney is not a source of information.

Discuss.

951 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:25:13am

re: #947 CIA Reject

We can only hope ...

His believers will be even more ardent in their support. Those who detest him will continue to do so... How will it play to the Indy's? It can't play well...

952 jcm  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:25:48am

Morning Honcos!

Education in WA State!

953 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:26:05am

Protein Wisdom:

How far is seventy miles?

My wife has dragged me that far to go outlet mall shopping.

Some masochists in my greater metro area commute that far every day.

I’ve heard that Texans will drive that far looking for good barbeque.

And that’s how far the Taliban is from the capital of Pakistan, just a few short weeks after the central government ceded the province of Swat to their control. The Taliban didn’t disarm, and they didn’t stay put. For those of us who remember reading news stories about the advance of North Vietnam’s army down the main north-south highway towards Saigon, this is ominous. When I think of Pakistan’s nuclear capability, it’s doubly so.

“They are everywhere,” one resident of Daggar, Buner’s main city, said by telephone. “There is no resistance.”

Holy Shit! This is very bad news. What is the TOTUS planning on doing about this?

954 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:26:36am

re: #926 lurking faith

It's driving me crazy that I'm missing the games in that series. So far, only one has been aired in my local market. Tonight's game will not be shown here, either.

By contrast, they are airing the Capitals-Rangers games twice each. Live, and then again the following evening.

You need to hook yourself up with DTV and get the NHL package. It's worth every penny and you get ALL the games.

955 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:26:57am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

Our tax dollars hard at work:

Senate wants $5M to study financial crisis

$22 Million so far has been used by companies that received TARP funds for lobbying.

Citi, JP Morgan Chase, GM, Wells Fargo...

956 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:27:14am

re: #950 Ben Hur

Dick Cheney is not a source of information.

Discuss.

Answer the question Madam Secretary... Or you are not credible...

957 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:27:24am

re: #950 Ben Hur

Dick Cheney is not a source of information.

Discuss.

Hillary is a stupid fucking clueless bitch. No discussion needed.

958 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:27:30am

Time for lunch. BBIAW.

959 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:27:44am

re: #950 Ben Hur

Dick Cheney is not a source of information.

Discuss.

If Dick Cheney would run for Pres, I would vote for him... twice.

960 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:27:56am

re: #954 CommonCents

You need to hook yourself up with DTV and get the NHL package. It's worth every penny and you get ALL the games.

I have DTV and didn't buy the NHL package. I have yet to see a Devils playoff game.

:(

961 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:28:03am

re: #953 NJDhockeyfan

Resistance is futile!

962 jcm  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:28:52am

re: #934 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The F-22 is actually called an "Air Dominance" fighter.

That's the whole problem, if we called it "Give the other guy an equal chance" fighter it would be fine and dandy. The whole dominance thing, that's so old school, we need to be more respectful of other Air Forces feelings.

///

963 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:28:55am

re: #924 CommonCents

I love the 3rd person references. Are you really Rickey Henderson?

I didn't know that. I should drop this third person thing but I'm always a bit humbled around you guys. There are some really intelligent people who post here and I struggle to come up with anything original other than to talk about some of my life experiences from time to time.

964 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:29:40am

re: #960 NJDhockeyfan

I have DTV and didn't buy the NHL package. I have yet to see a Devils playoff game.

:(

Do you get the NHL Channel (215) without having the NHL package?

965 jorline  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:29:45am

re: #921 aggieann

Live music capital of the U.S. . . . beautiful scenery (at the far eastern edge of the Hill Country) . . . lots of great local restaurants . . . home of the 50,000-student University of Texas . . . ultra liberal . . . lots of hippies and East Coast/West Coast transplants . . . home prices are lower than the national average but high for Texas. . . city planners didn't plan for growth over the past two decades so traffic is a nightmare.

Austin is often referred to as "Little California" here in Texas. My wife is an Aggie...she would never live there...lol

Traffic totally sucks!

966 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:30:16am

re: #961 tfc3rid

Resistance is futile!

If/when the Taliban get a hold of the nukes, they will use them.

967 Dianna  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:30:27am

Good morning!

It is the day of the AUDIT. I'm waiting for our accountant.

How's every little thing?

968 Buck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:31:30am

re: #905 Kenneth

UPDINGED for concise and correct analysis.

>Most attacks are against other Muslims;

A very ignored FACT. Somehow the world still blames their deaths on the west (Israel and/or USA).

I just don't want to rule out that, when desperate the two sects will work together. It may seem impossible, but if Osama was against the wall, he would be rescued by Iran. He could be held in a 'gilded cage' by Iran. Used only to poke the USA from time to time.

969 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #964 CommonCents

Do you get the NHL Channel (215) without having the NHL package?

Yes but I missed the Devils game they had on. My mom was here for a week last week. I did the the last goal of the game the other day on Sportscenter. They lost with .2 seconds left.

970 J.S.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:31:43am

re: #941 turn

Yeah. As Buzzsawmonkey has also pointed out -- appointing a special prosecutor, say, is done for a current administration, never for a previous administration's alleged wrongdoings...It sets into motion a whole new set of politicized reprisals...(David Gergen on CNN also noted the new trend towards criminalizing one's political opponents...a very, very, dangerous trend.)

971 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:31:46am

re: #859 Ayatollah Ghilmeini "We have to go to the mat for these people." I couldn't agree with you more. This is despicable in every single respect. BUT it is consistent with Obama's policies in cutting the Defense Budget, in putting DHS under the control of Napolitano, letting folks like DANIEL ORTEGA LECTURE to Obama about American history and Obama simply acting as if it didn't happend when Obama was even an adult so he apologizes for it - you see, for Obama, US History didn't start until He took office (excepting therefrom, of course, slavery and anything having to do with George W. Bush and his employees).
Another great comment from you!
But who exactly is going to the mats on this? The Left and especially the Far Left are running this country now and there is precious little we can do about it.

972 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:32:22am

re: #929 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It is very important to leftists to try to say this.

Let us state the obvious first- the people we fight are not going to give any American their rights under the Geneva Convention. We will, of course, not go down that road but there are many documented instances of useful information being divulged under harsh interrogation.

Our laws are supposed to protect us not those who would destroy us. Torture should and ought to be the last resort; it is nothing to be proud of, can never be permitted to be used on a wholesale basis but if lives are at stake, you save the lives.

and the chances that Cheney's request to publish documents that prove that the "torture" worked are like, zero, right? spit

973 jcm  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:32:52am

re: #952 jcm

Morning Honcos!

Education in WA State!

Posted got hung up in a hamster hiccup!

Teacher sends boy, 5, home with bag of poo

Jason says his son's kindergarten teacher had bagged up a piece of human feces and stuck it in his son's backpack. His wife found the stinky mess.

"She found a clear plastic bag with a piece of fecal matter wrapped up in a brown paper towel with the note on it," he said.

The note read, "This little turd was on the floor in my room."

I wonder which class in the school of education the teacher learned that?

974 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:33:11am
975 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:34:19am

re: #943 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Yes, the Iranians have worked with Al Qaeda, and more often, with the Muslim Brotherhood. The extremist factions are more like rivals than enemies. I may have stated it a bit inaccurately. The internal civil war is between the extremists and the apostates/moderates. The Shia extremists (lead by Iran) have directly attacked those they see as Sunni apostates: Iraq, Lebanon (through their proxy Hezbollah), Saudi Arabia (through other terrorist proxies) and Egypt, by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood (a Sunni group) in that country. Iran is using the Israel/Palestinian issue to try to wrestle the leadership of the Muslim world away from Egypt & Saudi Arabia. Iran's aid & support to Al Qaeda is well documented.

In a few places the rivalry has lead to outright fighting: Shia on Sunni in Lebanon and Sunni on Shia in Pakistan.

The Koranic direction to call upon infidels to submit to Islam before attacking them, is done not in the belief that a simple attack will convert the infidel, but that inevitable defeat of the infidel will force him to submit.

976 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:34:47am

Funny. Disturbed, but funny.

977 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:34:56am

Pope not welcome in Jordan, Islamists tell PM

AMMAN (AFP) – Jordan's influential Islamist opposition said on Thursday that Pope Benedict XVI is not welcome in the country next month unless he apologises for his 2006 remarks linking Islam to violence.

"Apologize or we'll keeel you!"


Later lizards.

978 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:35:03am

re: #971 realwest

Speaking of the defense budget... How much was it cut in President Obama's FY 2012 budget proposal?

979 HippieforLife  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:35:37am

re: #950 Ben Hur

Dick Cheney, former SEC Def, Vice-President, has more information on world problems that Hillary will ever have.

I saw the interview he did with Sean Hannity and thought that his comments were informed and not at all "demeaning" to the O administration.

Hillary is showing her true colors as a clueless, bitter woman. Hard to believe that she thinks she has better info than Cheney.

This new admin seems to be masterful at the snarky comment. Just because someone says that a person is intelligent I think that actions speak louder than words.

980 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:36:58am

re: #933 realwest

Hi Turn! "But I have the sinking feeling this thing is real and they are not going to be satisfied until someone in the former Bush admin goes down for this."
Gonna be hard to do when Pelosi and Feinstein - among other VERY PROMINENT Democrats were fully briefed by the CIA when the Dems took control of Congress after the '06 elections - including briefings on interrogation techniques and results therefrom and the Dem Congressional Leadership NEVER SAID A WORD ABOUT IT AT THE TIME.

I agree with others out here: this is purely a misdirection from Obama's Fugly budget and cuts in the Defense Department - the worst of which is the cutting of the F-22 Raptors (who needs "air superiority" anyway? and the Anti-ballistic Missile program (who needs defense against Nork and other Missiles that can already reach America anyway?).
Plus of course it enables Obama to throw some more red meat to his primary constituency.

Hi real, you make a very good point (as always) but these friggin people in O's admin are sneaky little cheats. The far left is really worked up about this and will ignore Pelosi's culpability. They'll manage to find a way to absolve the dems and go after the repubs IMO.

981 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:37:07am

re: #871 tfc3rid
Oh yes, you will miss it my friend. I was born in N.C. and lived and worked in Manhattan for 35 years, moved back down to N.C. for the cheaper cost of living (and cause I had friends down here) and I still think of NYC as my "hometown" - there is NO OTHER PLACE like it anywhere. First thing you'll miss is the energy - just walking down the streets it hits you, then you'll miss the deli's and pizza parlors and Broadway and museums and ...Gah, I gotta figure out a way to get back home!

982 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:37:22am

Listening to the news out of the corner of my ear - Greens whining about the impact of SOLAR farms on the desert.

F**ing commie rat bastards.

LIke someone said - - green on the outside, red on the inside...

983 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:38:24am

re: #949 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I think he also expected the US to attack Saudi Arabia, which is why most of the hijackers were from there.

984 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:39:19am

Long War Journal update on Taliban movements...

The Taliban are pushing past the districts of Swat and Buner and are threatening Islamabad, a senior Islamist member of parliament said at a briefing.

The Taliban have consolidated control over the district of Buner and are moving on Mansehre and Haripur. These two regions, which are just on the outskirts of Islamabad and Rawalpindi, have been relatively spared from the violent Taliban insurgency that has plagued the Northwest.

...

The Taliban takeover of Haripur would put the Taliban on the doorstep of Islamabad and would also put two major nuclear facilities at risk.
985 Rancher  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:39:43am

re: #972 turn

and the chances that Cheney's request to publish documents that prove that the "torture" worked are like, zero, right? spit

I think we have lost part of this argument from the get go when we call it torture, or even "torture". It derives from S.E.R.E training, something the Army did to my son and neither of us have a problem with.

986 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:39:54am

re: #945 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't know BDVM, but he seems disillusioned for sure.

987 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:40:12am

re: #968 Buck

Many senior Al Qaeda leaders are living in Iran, including bin Laden's son.

988 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:40:46am
989 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:41:11am

The most primal blood feud in Islam is Sunni/Shia. It goes back 1500 years to the struggle for leadership of Islam after the Prophet's death. Every Muslim knows this story, although from radically different perspectives about who was right, and who was wrong.

Sunni (Arab) has been the majority of Muslims, but the Shia (Iranians) now see a once in a millennium opportunity to dominate Islam. The Iranians have a theocratic government for the first time in the history of Islam. That makes their religious ambitions especially dangerous.

990 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:41:40am

re: #953 NJDhockeyfan

Protein Wisdom:

How far is seventy miles?


Holy Shit! This is very bad news. What is the TOTUS planning on doing about this?


Saw a report on the cab tv in New York.

Go green. Support your local farmers. THEY ONLY HAVE TO TRAVEL 7- MILES TO GET TO NYC.

991 KenJen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:41:59am

re: #974 buzzsawmonkey

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Buzz, I'd love to borrow your brain for a day. It would be so much fun.

992 Ben Hur  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:42:00am

70 miles

993 jcm  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:42:05am

re: #982 Van Helsing

Listening to the news out of the corner of my ear - Greens whining about the impact of SOLAR farms on the desert.

F**ing commie rat bastards.

LIke someone said - - green on the outside, red on the inside...

No coal - the air.
No nuclear - the glow.
No hydro - the fish.
No gas - the carbon.
No wind - the birds.
No solar - the fish.
No energy - period.

994 jcm  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:42:35am

re: #993 jcm

No coal - the air.
No nuclear - the glow.
No hydro - the fish.
No gas - the carbon.
No wind - the birds.
No solar - the fish.
No energy - period.

No solar - the desert.

PIMF

995 J.S.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:42:56am

re: #930 Ward Cleaver

About what the Democrats knew and when they knew it (re: torture). Dianne Feinstein on Wolf Blitzer's program, The Situation Room, denied knowing anything about torturing detainees...(from transcript, aired April 21, 2009):

BLITZER: So when Abu Zubaydah or Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were being water-boarded, you, as a member of the Intelligence Committee, did not know about the waterboarding?

FEINSTEIN: That is correct.

996 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:44:16am

re: #934 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The F-22 is actually called an "Air Dominance" fighter.


No it isn't.

997 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #983 Kenneth

I think he also expected the US to attack Saudi Arabia, which is why most of the hijackers were from there.

OBL's main gripe was with the Saudi royal family and it was because, in 1990, they passed up his offer of his rag-tag "army" to defend the kingdom from Saddam Hussein in favor of the more capable US military.

In many respects OBL was an evil man suffering from delusions of grandeur seeking revenge on those who had dissed him. The Islam thing provided a useful framework which greatly facilitated his delusions and the evil he harbored- much as it had done for Mohamed.

998 Rancher  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:45:26am

re: #994 jcm

No solar - the fish.

LOL!

999 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:45:33am
1000 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:45:42am

re: #937 tfc3rid

John Gibson talking about torture nonsense (from our pals at MSNBC) and playing tapes of callers from the WTC on 9/11 to make the point that who the fuck cares that we tortured these creeps.

Awesome.

if a terrorist had information that could save my child or husband or friend
(or anyone really), bring on the water boarding. this was fine w/ pelosi at one point. in fact she wondered if the procedure was 'enough'.

1001 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #962 jcm

That's the whole problem, if we called it "Give the other guy an equal chance" fighter it would be fine and dandy. The whole dominance thing, that's so old school, we need to be more respectful of other Air Forces feelings.

///

How about the Dominance and submission Fighter? It comes in black leather.

1002 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:46:58am

re: #988 Dar ul Harbarian

Pakistan falling apart.

Hillary going to figure out what to do.

Those two headlines do not instill comfort.

1003 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #970 J.S.

Yeah. As Buzzsawmonkey has also pointed out -- appointing a special prosecutor, say, is done for a current administration, never for a previous administration's alleged wrongdoings...It sets into motion a whole new set of politicized reprisals...(David Gergen on CNN also noted the new trend towards criminalizing one's political opponents...a very, very, dangerous trend.)

In order to imagine that this prosecution won't go forward with a prosecution because it would amount to an abandonment of historical principals you would have to believe O's administration has principals in the first place. That is what turn is struggling with in a nutshell.

1004 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:48:05am
1005 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:48:31am

re: #1001 Kenneth

How about the Dominance and submission Fighter? It comes in black leather.

Fur-lined handcuffs come as an option.

1006 realwest  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:49:35am

re: #978 tfc3rid Don't know, haven't seen the budget proposal yet.
Neither has my congresswoman, according to an e-mail response from her about 8 days ago.

1007 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:50:42am

Woman's cash bra stops bullet

Combining three popular over-night thread topics in one!

Boobs, bucks and bullets!

It's a dead thread trifecta!

1008 turn  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #985 Rancher

I think we have lost part of this argument from the get go when we call it torture, or even "torture". It derives from S.E.R.E training, something the Army did to my son and neither of us have a problem with.

If you're still here, you picked up on my quotes. I have no problem with waterboarding or even using more aggressive techniques. I watched that video Charles had up yesterday and THAT didn't even bother me.

1009 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:53:08am

re: #1007 Kenneth

Woman's cash bra stops bullet

Combining three popular over-night thread topics in one!

Boobs, bucks and bullets!

It's a dead thread trifecta!

I'd like to see Mythbusters test this.

1010 Irish Rose  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:56:58am

In case anyone missed it, I delinked Ace of Spades last night. I recommend that we all do the same, and email to let him know why.

Charles has been a good friend to Ace, but Ace is now allowing his blog to be a launching pad for some really abusive and hate-filled comments from haters and it's just disgraceful. I have enjoyed much of Aces' content in the past, but these attacks against Charles are wrong and they just have to stop.

I refuse to link to any blogger who allows these punks to use their bandwidth to smear an innocent man.

1011 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:07:07am

re: #989 quickjustice

The most primal blood feud in Islam is Sunni/Shia. It goes back 1500 years to the struggle for leadership of Islam after the Prophet's death. Every Muslim knows this story, although from radically different perspectives about who was right, and who was wrong.

Sunni (Arab) has been the majority of Muslims, but the Shia (Iranians) now see a once in a millennium opportunity to dominate Islam. The Iranians have a theocratic government for the first time in the history of Islam. That makes their religious ambitions especially dangerous.

That's about right, with some nuance. Shi'ism tended toward internal factionalism over this or that Imam in the line of succession from 'Ali. Sunnism meanwhile precipitated around Muslim lawyers' objections to the current caliph at any given point.

As for Iran, it's always been a breeding ground for opposition to Arab rule. First they went for 'Ali. Then they were for the Kharajis. Then they supported the 'Abbasids. Most recently the Safawi dynasty chose the more famous branch of 'Alids, the "Twelvers". If the Arabs all decided to go Twelver I predict the Iranians would become Sunnis, or maybe Bahai.

1012 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:09:47am

re: #1010 Irish Rose

In case anyone missed it, I delinked Ace of Spades last night. I recommend that we all do the same, and email to let him know why.

Charles has been a good friend to Ace, but Ace is now allowing his blog to be a launching pad for some really abusive and hate-filled comments from haters and it's just disgraceful. I have enjoyed much of Aces' content in the past, but these attacks against Charles are wrong and they just have to stop.

I refuse to link to any blogger who allows these punks to use their bandwidth to smear an innocent man.

I don't have a blog, but I ran a couple of essays at the end of the previous post <<

One addresses Ace's problems at his own site. The next addresses the common objection, "why'd I get banned just for a ding".

1013 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:38:52am

re: #1010 Irish Rose

In case anyone missed it, I delinked Ace of Spades last night. I recommend that we all do the same, and email to let him know why.

Charles has been a good friend to Ace, but Ace is now allowing his blog to be a launching pad for some really abusive and hate-filled comments from haters and it's just disgraceful. I have enjoyed much of Aces' content in the past, but these attacks against Charles are wrong and they just have to stop.

I refuse to link to any blogger who allows these punks to use their bandwidth to smear an innocent man.

Thanks for that, Irish Rose. But it looks like nobody really gives a crap about it; blogs like Ace of Spades are building their traffic by pandering to haters and ranting nutjobs. If they can do it by letting those ranters pile on me with thousands of ugly comments, they're fine with that.

And I don't expect support from other blogs.

1014 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:41:29am

re: #1012 Zimriel

The next addresses the common objection, "why'd I get banned just for a ding".

I've started blocking accounts that only down-ding posts or comments, but never post any comments themselves. These people are simply trying to sow discontent and chaos. And if they're down-dinging in a way that expresses support for LGF's self-declared enemies, that's an express ticket to losing the account.

1015 jcbunga  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:14:52am

Has anyone seen Michael Moore?:

Giant Mystery Blob Discovered Near Dawn of Time
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

1016 Sabnen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:45:49am

The best mind-altering drug is the truth.
— Lily Tomlin

Get me some more Charles. Thanks!


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