Bawer: Heirs to Fortuyn

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Bruce Bawer has an excellent essay at City Journal on Europe’s tilt to the right; not the extreme right represented by Vlaams Belang and the BNP, but the “respectable right” — the Heirs to Fortuyn.

Some Spaniards have lurched rightward toward the national-Catholic, proto-fascist ideology of Franco’s time and become increasingly vocal within the conservative Partido Popular. Consequently, says Golmar, “moderates in Spain are trapped between a far-left administration and their cronies and the revival of the extreme right disguised in conservative and even libertarian clothing.” While America struggles to move beyond the antagonisms of the 1960s, then, Spain has entered an ideological battlefield reminiscent of the years preceding its civil war of the late thirties. There seems little room for those who loathe both the neo-Marxists and the neoreactionaries.

The situation in Spain is a reminder that not all “right turns” are created equal. If the Danes have affirmed individual liberty, human rights, sexual equality, the rule of law, and freedom of speech and religion, some Western Europeans have reacted to the mindless multiculturalism of their socialist leaders by embracing alternatives that seem uncomfortably close to fascism. Consider Austria’s recently deceased Jörg Haider, who belittled the Holocaust, honored Waffen-SS veterans, and found things to praise about Nazism. In 2000, his Freedom Party became part of a coalition government, leading the rest of the EU to isolate Austria diplomatically for a time, and last September, his new party, the Alliance for the Future of Austria, won 11 percent of the vote in parliamentary elections. Or take Jean-Marie Le Pen, who has called the Holocaust “a detail in the history of World War II” and advocated the forced quarantining of people who test HIV-positive—and whose far-right National Front came out on top in the first round of voting for the French presidency in 2002. The British National Party (BNP), which has a whites-only membership policy and has flatly denied the Holocaust, won more than 5 percent of the vote in London’s last mayoral election. Then there’s Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest), formerly Vlaams Bloc, whose leaders have a regrettable tendency to be caught on film singing Nazi songs and buying Nazi books. In 2007, it won five out of 40 seats in the Belgian Senate.

For establishment politicians, journalists, and academics, these parties serve an exceedingly useful purpose: their existence makes it easy to tar any nonsocialist party with the fascist brush—labeling it racist and xenophobic, equating its leaders with the likes of Le Pen and Haider, and stigmatizing its supporters. No party in Europe has been subjected to more unfair attacks than Norway’s Progress Party, whose extraordinary electoral successes have outraged that country’s socialist elite. Like other parties on what we may call Europe’s respectable right, the Progress Party has expressly distanced itself from parties like the National Front and Vlaams Belang. Yet despite these disavowals, American media have routinely echoed the leftist establishment’s unjust calumnies.

And when “anti-jihad” bloggers make alliances with these extremists, they play right into the media’s hands.

Speaking of those “anti-jihad” bloggers, see the very next LGF article.

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190 comments
1 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:20:16pm
Pamela Geller and Paul Belien have been announced as speakers at a German far right event organized by a group called “Pro Köln” — a
successor to the notorious fascist group “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat” (the “German League for People and Homeland”). The “Pro Köln” group is under observation by the German inland secret service.

Pam: don't do it. Open your eyes and wake up. Don't go to Germany and speak for a bunch of Neo-Nazis. Think about it.

2 guftafs  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:23:25pm
For establishment politicians, journalists, and academics, these parties serve an exceedingly useful purpose: their existence makes it easy to tar any nonsocialist party with the fascist brush—labeling it racist and xenophobic, equating its leaders with the likes of Le Pen and Haider, and stigmatizing its supporters.

Either you're red or a fascist, they used to say in the 30s, I believe. They still use that line, and there's obviously a lot of people still falling for it, unfortunately.

3 freedombilly  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:23:46pm

Pamela, you are the company you keep. And you keep some pretty shade company.

4 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:23:55pm

The trends in parts of Europe are disturbing. To see one of these rascist parties gain even 5% (as the BNP did in London), much less the 11-12% seen in Austria and Belgium. The showing by LePen is most disturbing. WTF is going on in Europe?

5 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:23:55pm
Some Spaniards have lurched rightward toward the national-Catholic, proto-fascist ideology of Franco’s time and become increasingly vocal within the conservative Partido Popular. Consequently, says Golmar, “moderates in Spain are trapped between a far-left administration and their cronies and the revival of the extreme right disguised in conservative and even libertarian clothing.”

Wow. He could be describing the US right now.

6 Lee Coller  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:24:19pm

I hope all those who say we should ignore the fascist tendencies of these parties because they are "anti-jihad" take a close look at this article. They are not doing the movement any good. It is not always the case that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

7 freedombilly  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:24:26pm

re: #3 freedombilly

shady

PIMF!

8 Summer Seale  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:25:18pm

My god, they really are cavorting in public with self-declared Nazis. What is it about Pamela at this point that makes her do this? She's the one screaming at the top of her lungs about anti-semitism, and she's an honored guest at some group where they have fantasies about singing "fatherland and blood" type songs...

Pamela Geller has gone completely fucking insane.

9 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:27:20pm

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

The trends in parts of Europe are disturbing. To see one of these rascist parties gain even 5% (as the BNP did in London), much less the 11-12% seen in Austria and Belgium. The showing by LePen is most disturbing. WTF is going on in Europe?

implosion...massive civil unrest to follow

10 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:27:34pm

re: #1 Kenneth

Pam: don't do it. Open your eyes and wake up. Don't go to Germany and speak for a bunch of Neo-Nazis. Think about it.

Of all irony today, Pam was ranting about Pat Buchanan and John Demjanjuk. It's really some odd irony when she memorializes the Holocaust, condemns Buchanan and Demjanjuk, and then goes on to sing the praises of the Vlaams Belang, BNP, and LePen.

11 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:28:01pm

Clever little Austria, which has got the world believing that Hitler was German, and Beethoven was Viennese.

12 Macker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:28:26pm

My head aches when I read this stuff. It also sickens me.

13 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:29:06pm

"Heirs to Fortuyn" - nice play on words there. City Journal is always a good read.

14 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:29:51pm

re: #5 Russkilitlover

Wow. He could be describing the US right now.

Hell. The US is not even close to this.

15 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:30:48pm

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

Of all irony today, Pam was ranting about Pat Buchanan and John Demjanjuk. It's really some odd irony when she memorializes the Holocaust, condemns Buchanan and Demjanjuk, and then goes on to sing the praises of the Vlaams Belang, BNP, and LePen.

I still hope she'll come to her senses, someday. :-(

16 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:31:12pm

"Für Volk und Heimat" indeed. Charles, you didn't even have to translate that, every Jew on this site knows what it means.

(except for Pam apparently)

17 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:31:14pm

re: #8 Summer

My god, they really are cavorting in public with self-declared Nazis. What is it about Pamela at this point that makes her do this? She's the one screaming at the top of her lungs about anti-semitism, and she's an honored guest at some group where they have fantasies about singing "fatherland and blood" type songs...

Pamela Geller has gone completely fucking insane.

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

Of all irony today, Pam was ranting about Pat Buchanan and John Demjanjuk. It's really some odd irony when she memorializes the Holocaust, condemns Buchanan and Demjanjuk, and then goes on to sing the praises of the Vlaams Belang, BNP, and LePen.

Actually, Summer, you may be correct, as Yooper illustrates. Some forms of schizoid personality disorder manifest as an inability to make obvious logical connections. Geller may suffer from one such.

/Drawing on Abnormal and Applied Psychology training thirty-plus years ago.

cheers

eon

18 DawnofTruth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:31:29pm

Sorry to go off topic, but I need prayers. My 6 month old puppy went in to get spade this morning. The vet called to say they think she had a heart attack. They have brought her back twice but her heart rate is very erratic. Please pray for her.

19 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:32:32pm

re: #18 DawnofTruth

Sorry to go off topic, but I need prayers. My 6 month old puppy went in to get spade this morning. The vet called to say they think she had a heart attack. They have brought her back twice but her heart rate is very erratic. Please pray for her.

Consider it done.

cheers

eon

20 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #9 albusteve

implosion...massive civil unrest to follow

Here's France in the news. Electricity union workers are cutting power to hospitals:

Last Thursday 66,500 EdF customers lost their electricity supply, some for several hours. In Douai, northern France, two patients in intensive care had to be moved when a hospital lost power for 40 minutes.
21 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:33:05pm

OT
I have to get some work done so that I may leave some fortune to my heirs apparent

22 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:33:16pm

Speaking of those “anti-jihad” bloggers, Pamela Geller and Paul Belien have been announced as speakers at a German far right event organized by a group called “Pro Köln” — a successor to the notorious fascist group “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat” (the “German League for People and Homeland”). The “Pro Köln” group is under observation by the German inland secret service.

This doesn't come as a surprise to me. Pam has always defended these people and is only showing her true colors. I'm just waiting for her to go completely south and start posting at the stormfront blog.

23 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:35:01pm

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

I still hope she'll come to her senses, someday. :-(

she can burn in hell if there is one...who could care?

24 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:35:12pm

I am a General Patton conservative. After defeating the Nazi Germans, he wanted to take on the commies from the USSR. The two groups were as nuts as the other one was. They both attacked Poland, then they fought each other. Think about it. It is not Right Wing vs Left Wing. It is a circle. Good vs Evil. They are both at the other end of the circle.

25 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:36:06pm

re: #18 DawnofTruth

Sorry to go off topic, but I need prayers. My 6 month old puppy went in to get spade this morning. The vet called to say they think she had a heart attack. They have brought her back twice but her heart rate is very erratic. Please pray for her.

Prayers coming.

26 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:37:48pm

re: #20 Zimriel

pretty scary but hardly unexpected....people will be in shock when there is blood in the streets, trying to figure out what went wrong...it's all about blame

27 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:40:42pm

I'm really disappointed in Spencer. I expected more from him.

28 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:41:01pm

re: #24 hous bin pharteen

I am a General Patton conservative. After defeating the Nazi Germans, he wanted to take on the commies from the USSR. The two groups were as nuts as the other one was. They both attacked Poland, then they fought each other. Think about it. It is not Right Wing vs Left Wing. It is a circle. Good vs Evil. They are both at the other end of the circle.

You should post more often.

29 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #26 albusteve

pretty scary but hardly unexpected....people will be in shock when there is blood in the streets, trying to figure out what went wrong...it's all about blame

I thought when there is blood in the streets that it is a good time to buy stocks?

30 medaura18586  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:42:13pm
Yet instead of encouraging these immigrants to integrate and become part of their new societies, Western Europe’s governments have allowed them to form self-segregating parallel societies run more or less according to sharia. Many of the residents of these patriarchal enclaves subsist on government benefits, speak the language of their adopted country poorly or not at all, despise pluralistic democracy, look forward to Europe’s incorporation into the House of Islam, and support—at least in spirit—terrorism against the West.

That's the key... That's where the U.S. proves much more effective at digesting its immigrants -- the reason we have no ghettoized Muslim-immigrant segment within the U.S. Maybe sleeper cells were meant to be embedded in this country, but once they started living the American dream, they probably said "Screw Jihad!" If immigrants are forced to provide for themselves, work and mingle in the outside work, communicate with people outside their narrow community out of necessity, they assimilate well down the road. Free enterprise is the best economic platform for a cultural melting pot.

31 dhg4  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:42:36pm

Charles, I know you've expressed some reservations about Geert Wilders (or his associations.) But it appears that he's gotten the Dutch parliament to avoid the spectacle England's House of Lords wanted (but was cancelled due to technical problems.)

The Dutch parliament on Tuesday approved a motion seeking to block any dialogue between government officials and Hamas, Geert Wilders' Party for Freedom announced.

The motion - made in effort to counter growing calls in Europe to engage the Islamist group in dialogue - was put forward by MP Raymond de Roon, third on Wilders' list.

32 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:43:21pm

Obama: It is our duty to prevent another Holocaust

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hey, just give us the weapons and stand aside. We will prevent another Holocaust!

33 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:43:52pm

re: #14 Soona'

Hell. The US is not even close to this.


We're being pulled in that direction.

34 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:44:18pm

re: #26 albusteve

pretty scary but hardly unexpected....people will be in shock when there is blood in the streets, trying to figure out what went wrong...it's all about blame

Plus every group that feels that they should be "favored" applying pressure to ensure that, as the pie of largesse' shrinks, they still get the biggest piece.

The resulting internal schisms in a society do as much or more damage than attacks from outside it.

As Benjamin Franklin said, the choice is to hang together or be hung separately. To me, this news from France sounds more like a chapter from- what else?- Atlas Shrugged.

Of course, with the government here now "encouraging" businesses in NYC and elsewhere to move down to the lowest floors of half-vacant office towers and close off the upper levels to "economize on energy to fight global warming", we may not be far behind.

cheers

eon

35 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:44:37pm
Speaking of those “anti-jihad” bloggers, Pamela Geller and Paul Belien have been announced as speakers at a German far right event organized by a group called “Pro Köln” — a successor to the notorious fascist group “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat” (the “German League for People and Homeland”).

Wow. Le Penn is next. They've associated with pretty much all of the Euro-Nazi right. I don't think there's anyone else left.

36 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:44:57pm

re: #18 DawnofTruth

Sorry to go off topic, but I need prayers. My 6 month old puppy went in to get spade this morning. The vet called to say they think she had a heart attack. They have brought her back twice but her heart rate is very erratic. Please pray for her.

Oh, no. Prayers for you and your puppy. {DawnofTruth}

37 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:45:33pm

Running a power plant in Gaza might sound like a losing venture but, thanks to payments from the cash-strapped Palestinian government, its owners are making profits and promise another year of "unstoppable growth"

While Gaza's 1.5 million residents, blockaded by Israel, face electricity shortages, the Palestine Electric Co.'s (PEC) profits were $6.3 million in 2008, up from $4.4 million in 2007.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Who runs that plant, the UAW?

38 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:46:07pm

When you have The One cutting defense spending, screwing with GITMO, messing with the CIA, pissing off the vets, what is going to happen? People in the military are going to leave or retire. Why risk your life when you end up spit on and called murderers. Go ahead and doubt me. Have I been spending to much time at the Legion?

39 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:47:47pm

re: #32 Nevergiveup

Obama: It is our duty to prevent another Holocaust

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hey, just give us the weapons and stand aside. We will prevent another Holocaust!

Meanwhile, as the Jerusalem post reports, his SecState is saying that if Israel attacks Iran in an effort to halt its nuclear weapons program, Israel would "lose the Arab states as partners in the Palestinian peace process."

With a statement like that, I can only assume that whatever The One thinks, Miss Hillary is looking forward to opening our newest foreign embassy... in Cloud-Cuckoo Land.

cheers

eon

40 dhg4  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:47:59pm

re: #37 Nevergiveup

Running a power plant in Gaza might sound like a losing venture but, thanks to payments from the cash-strapped Palestinian government, its owners are making profits and promise another year of "unstoppable growth"

While Gaza's 1.5 million residents, blockaded by Israel, face electricity shortages, the Palestine Electric Co.'s (PEC) profits were $6.3 million in 2008, up from $4.4 million in 2007.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Who runs that plant, the UAW?

The peace process has been more like the peace profit for the well connected Palestinians. See for example The man who swallowed Gaza.

41 medaura18586  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:48:02pm

re: #30 medaura18586

pimf: work and mingle in the outside world

42 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:49:03pm

Russia has sent an official notification to NATO’s general secretary, Hoop Scheffer, proposing that "all upcoming military exercises planned in Georgia should be postponed or canceled.”

[Link: informationdissemination.blogspot.com...]

KHMAJI, Georgia (AP) — At a military checkpoint between Georgia and its breakaway region of South Ossetia, the word "Russia" is hand-painted in pink on a concrete security barrier.
"It will be Russia," said a Russian army lieutenant as the Ossetian soldiers under his command nodded.
"And Georgia used to be Russian, too," said the young freckle-faced lieutenant, who would give only his first name, Sergei. Three armored personnel carriers and a tank were dug in around the checkpoint.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Yoo who Obama?

43 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:49:10pm

re: #28 Nevergiveup

You should post more often.

Thanks for the compliment. I spend to much time at rehab and then fighting with the 2 kids for the computer. Their school work is more important, so they get first shot.

44 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:49:20pm

If Spencer and Pamela, etc., were saying "We know they're distasteful, but just like we allied with the Soviets in WWII, we need the allies we can get", then I'd have some respect left for them. I'd disagree; I don't think we need to ally with neo-Nazis, especially at this time, and I hope never. But it would be a disagreement with them on urgency and degree.
However, they're are actively promoting these groups, and that is a completely different matter.

45 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:50:11pm

re: #38 hous bin pharteen

When you have The One cutting defense spending, screwing with GITMO, messing with the CIA, pissing off the vets, what is going to happen? People in the military are going to leave or retire. Why risk your life when you end up spit on and called murderers. Go ahead and doubt me. Have I been spending to much time at the Legion?

Except with the economy in the gutter many are re-upping

46 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:51:11pm

re: #39 eon

Meanwhile, as the Jerusalem post reports, his SecState is saying that if Israel attacks Iran in an effort to halt its nuclear weapons program, Israel would "lose the Arab states as partners in the Palestinian peace process."

With a statement like that, I can only assume that whatever The One thinks, Miss Hillary is looking forward to opening our newest foreign embassy... in Cloud-Cuckoo Land.

cheers

eon

Especially since she thinks the Arab states are partners in the "Palestinian peace process". They might want to keep the "process" going, but they don't want any progress; that's not what I'd call a "partner".
The Arab plan is for the slow destruction of Israel.

47 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:51:17pm

continental europeans knee-jerk reactionists? why I never.

48 researchok  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:51:30pm

I have been told that some of the anti jihad bloggers receive money from these European rightist parties or their sponsors and that their travel expenses and honorariums are paid for as well.

I wonder if there is any truth to this.

49 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:51:55pm

re: #11 The Sanity Inspector

Clever little Austria, which has got the world believing that Hitler was German, and Beethoven was Viennese.

Ain't that true! In Munich last year, at the goth club I go to when in town (which is fairly often considering I'm a mileage runner), I struck up a convo with 2 guys from Dresden, one whose English was passable. He was really pissed at the British for leveling it towards the end of WWII for no military reason. I shrugged my shoulders and basically said, "meh". He couldn't believe I didn't care. I said to him "Ich bin Juden" ("I am a Jew"). He then became extremely apologetic for the Holocaust and quickly pointed out that Hitler was Austrian (which I knew). Dep. on whom you ask, Germans will tell you that they hate Austria. Now, I don't begrudge Austria for Hitler - as if it knew - but the way it's given, in the name of progressiveness, Josef Fritzl a 3-star pension for what he did is the epitome of depravity. In fact, it's making a 1mil Euro claim against his estate for his daughter's care and she surely needs the $ more than it does. I used to want to visit Austria; not'nymore.

50 medaura18586  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:52:50pm
And in 2006, the Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise warned that Norway’s petroleum fund—which contains the massive profits from North Sea oil that have made the nation rich—could wind up drained to cover outlays to immigrants. (This in a country whose roads, as a report last year indicated, are in worse shape than Albania’s.)

Now that's saying something. Take it from me...

51 lostlakehiker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:53:24pm

Calls for quarantine made a little bit of sense in the early days of the AIDS epidemic. Quarantine law is a proven means of halting epidemics. It's also an established part of the law. People with active TB aren't allowed to just go their way, and Typhoid Mary cannot work in a restaurant.

Now that we have some decades of relative calm on the HIV front, and some treatments that greatly extend the lives of HIV victims, it is evident that in striking a balance between the desirable but competing goals of protecting the lives of the citizenry, and protecting the freedom of each to do as he likes, we can allow HIV-infected individuals to proceed with a lifestyle that spreads HIV, without that sparking an epidemic that extends much beyond the community that would rather have this freedom than be protected from the epidemic.

If there were ever to be a new infectious disease that spread so aggressively that treatment was in vain and quarantine alone could contain it, we'd have to strike the balance the other way. Killer epidemics are the medical equivalent of war, and persons held in quarantine are conscripts, drafted into the effort to stop the epidemic.

52 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:53:41pm

The lurch toward crypto-fascist parties in Europe is, sadly, not surprising. When "polite" political discourse bans any mention of the actual issues affecting peoples' lives (reckless immigration policies, out of control social welfare policies, passivity in the face of violent elements in society), then the fringe parties get a golden opportunity to monopolize those issues. It's sad to watch.

53 Randall Gross  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #27 BigPapa

I'm really disappointed in Spencer. I expected more from him.

Once I found out that he is a scion of the Weyrich paleo-nexus nothing he says or does could surprise me.

54 Randall Gross  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:55:32pm

I'm very happy that Bruce is seeing this as well, he's one of the more knowledgeable people out there about the movements in Europe.

55 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:56:18pm

re: #33 jwb7605

We're being pulled in that direction.

The same mantra for totally lost cause. (A peaceful Pali state, that is.)

56 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:56:55pm

Extreme left and extreme right is increasingly becoming our choice as well. It becomes harder and harder to be "civil" when the left, playing by Alinsky rules, exploits that very civility to further its ends.

That's the dilemma: maintain civility, and be demonized by the left per Alinsky, or abandon civility, and end up down in the gutter with Kos.

My view: "There's no point in getting down in the mud and wrestling with a pig. You both get covered in mud, and the pig likes it!"

57 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:57:47pm

re: #18 DawnofTruth

Sorry to go off topic, but I need prayers. My 6 month old puppy went in to get spade this morning. The vet called to say they think she had a heart attack. They have brought her back twice but her heart rate is very erratic. Please pray for her.

Poor puppy! You're both in my prayers.

58 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:58:23pm

re: #54 Thanos

I'm very happy that Bruce is seeing this as well, he's one of the more knowledgeable people out there about the movements in Europe.

Bruce is what Andy should have been.

59 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 2:58:30pm

As I know from my daily visits to stormfront these days David Duke is doing a European tour as we speak. I wonder if he'll attend the conference too.

60 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:00:28pm

In a visit to the U.S. Marine Corps' main staging point for deployments to Afghanistan, Gates said he may ask reservists skilled in disciplines such as veterinary medicine, accounting and agronomics to volunteer to ensure the Afghan people get development assistance vital to the U.S. mission's success.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

"ask" ? Hum, are we talking volunteers or call ups?

61 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:00:34pm

The Taliban is making great gains in Pakistan, taking the strategic town of Daggar & even holding ground just twenty miles from the Capital.
This was after the government agreed to large parts of the country to be governed by Sharia. Looks pretty bad.
If Obama is concerned about containing the Taleebhan in Pakeesthan, now would be a good time to do something.

62 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:02:14pm

re: #61 opnion

The Taliban is making great gains in Pakistan, taking the strategic town of Daggar & even holding ground just twenty miles from the Capital.
This was after the government agreed to large parts of the country to be governed by Sharia. Looks pretty bad.
If Obama is concerned about containing the Taleebhan in Pakeesthan, now would be a good time to do something.

c'mon man...that was all bulshit, he's in the pilots seat with the MSM riding shotgun

63 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:02:18pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

As I know from my daily visits to stormfront these days David Duke is doing a European tour as we speak. I wonder if he'll attend the conference too.

Are you kidding? He's probably Pamela's date for the opening night gala.

64 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:02:21pm

re: #61 opnion

The Taliban is making great gains in Pakistan, taking the strategic town of Daggar & even holding ground just twenty miles from the Capital.

20 miles? wasn't it 60 yesterday?

65 DEZes  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:03:10pm

re: #61 opnion

The Taliban is making great gains in Pakistan, taking the strategic town of Daggar & even holding ground just twenty miles from the Capital.
This was after the government agreed to large parts of the country to be governed by Sharia. Looks pretty bad.
If Obama is concerned about containing the Taleebhan in Pakeesthan, now would be a good time to do something.

Two days ago they were reported as being sixty miles out.
Is nothing slowing them down?

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:03:18pm

Great link, Charles. That just about explains it, doesn't it? The extremist right-wingers in Europe are poisoning any chance of a respectable Conservative movement. Let's not let them do it here, too.

p.s. I'll say this about Nazis: They have given us an automatic video-game and action movie set of bad guys forever. Thanks! Video game designers and Hollywood screen play writers everywhere thank you for making their jobs easier.

67 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:03:57pm

MEGHAN MCCAIN TAKES TO ‘THE VIEW’ TO SLAM CHENEY, ROVE: ‘GO AWAY’

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

Between the right wing crazies and the McCain's, who needs enemies with "friends" like this?

68 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:04:25pm

re: #24 hous bin pharteen

I am a General Patton conservative. After defeating the Nazi Germans, he wanted to take on the commies from the USSR. The two groups were as nuts as the other one was. They both attacked Poland, then they fought each other. Think about it. It is not Right Wing vs Left Wing. It is a circle. Good vs Evil. They are both at the other end of the circle.

Patton was a genius.

69 Querent  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:04:56pm

the phantom up-dinger strikes again!

(handing out cupcakes, updings, and good wishes for doggies feeling bad)

70 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:05:22pm

re: #52 Occasional Reader

The lurch toward crypto-fascist parties in Europe is, sadly, not surprising. When "polite" political discourse bans any mention of the actual issues affecting peoples' lives (reckless immigration policies, out of control social welfare policies, passivity in the face of violent elements in society), then the fringe parties get a golden opportunity to monopolize those issues. It's sad to watch.

But, but, being politically correct is sooo nice. A nation can evade the truth about itself so well with it.

71 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:05:48pm

re: #61 opnion


If Obama is concerned about containing the Taleebhan in Pakeesthan, now would be a good time to do something.

I am sure that the Blue Phone in the Oval Office is connected to Ban Ki Moon's office, with furrowed brows on both ends planning NATO troop deployments and other strategery designed to halt the 'insurgency.'

/s

Or... hows that sternly worded protest letter coming?

72 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:06:08pm

I think I'm going to break out the section about Geller and "Pro-Koln" and make it a separate thread. I almost can't believe what I'm discovering about this group.

73 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:06:14pm

re: #62 albusteve

c'mon man...that was all bulshit, he's in the pilots seat with the MSM riding shotgun

Yeah , I always thought that Obamas droning on about Afghanisan & Pakistan was a swipe at W. He was always making the point that Bush going into Iraq, was a blunder & unnecessary & that he was focused on the "Good" war. Now we will see.

74 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:06:25pm

re: #65 DEZes

Two days ago they were reported as being sixty miles out.
Is nothing slowing them down?

no...imagine the Talis juiced with nukes

75 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:06:36pm

re: #61 opnion

This was after the government agreed to large parts of the country to be governed by Sharia.

Which turned out to be every bit as brilliant a move as when then-President Andres Pastrana turned over a great big chunk of Colombia to the FARC back in 1998 as a "good faith gesture" toward "negotiations". FARC, of course, promptly turned that area into a terrorism staging ground, and a kidnappers' paradise. Colombia then had to pay in blood to get that territory back.

There seems to be a lesson here.

76 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:06:44pm

re: #68 Van Helsing

Patton was a genius.

Except for that disconnect between his brain and his mouth. I have much the same problem.

77 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:07:05pm

re: #61 opnion

The Taliban is making great gains in Pakistan, taking the strategic town of Daggar & even holding ground just twenty miles from the Capital.
This was after the government agreed to large parts of the country to be governed by Sharia. Looks pretty bad.
If Obama is concerned about containing the Taleebhan in Pakeesthan, now would be a good time to do something.

They have also already invited al-Qaeda to take up residence in Buner province, under their "protection". Considering that this area is less than 100 km from Islamabad, this tells me they are fairly confident that they either (a) can force the government to leave them alone or (b) can depose the government.

If (b), at that point they could automatically join the nuclear club.

Under our previous President, i would have expected that such a situation would have resulted in an operation to remove or disable the physics packages. Under The One, it is more likely that he will call them up and ask them "How much do you want per year to not use them on us?"

//// I hope

cheers

eon

78 brookly red  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:07:31pm

re: #61 opnion

The Taliban is making great gains in Pakistan, taking the strategic town of Daggar & even holding ground just twenty miles from the Capital.
This was after the government agreed to large parts of the country to be governed by Sharia. Looks pretty bad.
If Obama is concerned about containing the Taleebhan in Pakeesthan, now would be a good time to do something.

This is not good, but I don't see how Obama or anyone else can do anything. The government in Pakistan will either use force (if they can)or they won't.

79 Querent  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:07:47pm

re: #63 doppelganglander

Are you kidding? He's probably Pamela's date for the opening night gala.

snark of the day!

80 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:08:13pm

re: #78 brookly red

This is not good, but I don't see how Obama or anyone else can do anything. The government in Pakistan will either use force (if they can)or they won't.

Is this a test? OK then I'll take B) they won't

81 DEZes  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:08:18pm

re: #74 albusteve

no...imagine the Talis juiced with nukes

Thats what worries me.

82 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:08:25pm

re: #75 Occasional Reader

That lesson has not been learned in Israel, no?

83 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:09:03pm

re: #78 brookly red

This is not good, but I don't see how Obama or anyone else can do anything. The government in Pakistan will either use force (if they can)or they won't.

exactly correct....all the bluster from the West just fuels the Tali fires

84 OldLineTexan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:09:05pm

They sure have to dance around "Vaterland", don't they?

85 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:10:17pm

Here's the latest: Taliban in control of Buner. Buner is a mid-sized province and Taliban basically own it now. Duggar is the capital of it. I can't see a reference to 20 miles.

The 2point6billion site, focused on Asia issues, is saying that some people are choosing to flee Islamabad.

86 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:10:46pm

re: #71 BigPapa

I am sure that the Blue Phone in the Oval Office is connected to Ban Ki Moon's office, with furrowed brows on both ends planning NATO troop deployments and other strategery designed to halt the 'insurgency.'

/s

Or... hows that sternly worded protest letter coming?


I am sure that the Taliban would be impressed with such a letter and cease their activities.
Pakistans nuclear weapons really need to be secured, this is very serious.

87 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:10:55pm

Pakistan will fall to the fascists....this year or next...bet me

88 Querent  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:10:58pm

re: #85 Zimriel
this is highly un-good.

89 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:11:19pm

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Except for that disconnect between his brain and his mouth. I have much the same problem.

And that is a problem in what way?

90 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:11:50pm

re: #86 opnion

I am sure that the Taliban would be impressed with such a letter and cease their activities.
Pakistans nuclear weapons really need to be secured, this is very serious.

if they are not already, they are lost

91 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:11:58pm

re: #75 Occasional Reader

Which turned out to be every bit as brilliant a move as when then-President Andres Pastrana turned over a great big chunk of Colombia to the FARC back in 1998 as a "good faith gesture" toward "negotiations". FARC, of course, promptly turned that area into a terrorism staging ground, and a kidnappers' paradise. Colombia then had to pay in blood to get that territory back.

There seems to be a lesson here.

I do believe that Israel understands the concept at least now.

92 Macker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:12:26pm

re: #86 opnion

I am sure that the Taliban would be impressed with such a letter and cease their activities.
Pakistans nuclear weapons really need to be secured, this is very serious.

Doncha remember? The One™ wants to invade Pocky-stawn!

93 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #87 albusteve

Pakistan will fall to the fascists....this year month? week? day? or next...bet me

FTFY. I don't think it will take a year. At least half the ISI and armed forces will support them anyway.

94 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:12:32pm

One of the organizers of "Pro Köln" is Manfred Rouhs. Here are two photos of Rous with hardcore neo-Nazi activist Axel Reitz.

Image: wikipedia_manfred_rouhs.jpg

Image: 1125644960436l.jpg

And here's a really charming photo of Axel Reitz in full Hitler regalia (at center):

Image: 3nazis.jpg

The guy standing to Reitz's left in that photo is Christian Worch:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

95 Lynn B.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:12:58pm
Consequently, says Golmar, “moderates in Spain are trapped between a far-left administration and their cronies and the revival of the extreme right disguised in conservative and even libertarian clothing.”

Spain has had a few more years of a far-left administration than we in the U.S. have and I suspect that we're only seeing the beginnings of this "revival of the extreme right disguised in conservative and even libertarian clothing" here. Heaven help us.

And CNN was just touting a poll that says most Americans finally feel this country is "headed in the right direction."

96 brookly red  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #80 Nevergiveup

Is this a test? OK then I'll take B) they won't

Not a test for us, but for them it is do or die methinks, & so far they have not taken the gloves off.

97 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:25pm

re: #89 Van Helsing

And that is a problem in what way?

It can get ya fired and at family parties make you eat on the stoop outside to get away from the G-D dam commie bastard relatives?

98 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:34pm

re: #93 Kosh's Shadow

FTFY. I don't think it will take a year. At least half the ISI and armed forces will support them anyway.

indeed and who has the nukes?

99 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:37pm

re: #94 Charles

And here's a really charming photo of Axel Reitz in full Hitler regalia

Costume party?

///

100 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:38pm

Local media calls Axel Reitz "the Hitler of Cologne," by the way.

101 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:44pm

Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles...
Sorry. My bad. they can't sing that there.
I have a problem with free speech restrictions any where.

102 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:13:50pm

re: #55 Soona'

Its kinda funny that Hilary is making nice nice with Iran. To them, we are The Great Satan. Iran hates us with their leaders and wants Nukes. With Pakistan's nukes, North Korea help, it is just a matter of time till they get one. Putting the squeeze on Israel wont help. It is only going to make Iran bolder. People don't worry since Iran is far enough away to not hit us with a missile or rocket. But they don't need one. I would talk about it, but Charles may report me to the spooks and ruin my dinner.

103 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:14:13pm

re: #90 albusteve

if they are not already, they are lost

You may be right, but I sure do hope not. If the Taliban got their hands on the nuclear arsenal, it would be a sea change.

104 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:03pm

re: #99 Occasional Reader

[re, Germans in Nazi gear] Costume party?

///

nah, that's us Brits... with a hooker or five

105 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:13pm

re: #98 albusteve

indeed and who has the nukes?

I don't know, but I hope India does; I'm counting on them more than the US right now.

106 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:13pm

re: #78 brookly red

This is not good, but I don't see how Obama or anyone else can do anything. The government in Pakistan will either use force (if they can)or they won't.

I have the same concerns as eon. If the Taliban momentum isn't stopped, then a covert, or even an overt US operation should be launch to, at least, disable the Paki's nuclear stable.

107 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:14pm

re: #92 Macker

Doncha remember? The One™ wants to invade Pocky-stawn!

We really can't stand by & watch this happen, but more nations than just us have a stke in this. A Nato force should get the nukes secured.

108 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:21pm

re: #102 hous bin pharteen

Its kinda funny that Hilary is making nice nice with Iran. To them, we are The Great Satan. Iran hates us with their leaders and wants Nukes. With Pakistan's nukes, North Korea help, it is just a matter of time till they get one. Putting the squeeze on Israel wont help. It is only going to make Iran bolder. People don't worry since Iran is far enough away to not hit us with a missile or rocket. But they don't need one. I would talk about it, but Charles may report me to the spooks and ruin my dinner.

But there are a couple of juicy American Targets in the Persian Gulf and Iraq?

109 Querent  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:16:44pm

re: #102 hous bin pharteen

lizards would NEVER do that...

(shhhh...)

110 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:17:06pm

re: #103 opnion

You may be right, but I sure do hope not. If the Taliban got their hands on the nuclear arsenal, it would be a sea change.

the Talis are not pressing to Islamabad for political purposes

111 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:17:06pm

re: #94 Charles

/Not even an "I'm with Stupid ---->" T-shirt, either.

112 alegrias  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:17:20pm

Socialist Zapatero came to power and like Pres. Obama, zoomed far left to build on his Socialist predecessor Felipe Gonzalez' 12 years of Socialist control of Spain.

During Socialist control of Spain, both these RED diaper babies dredged up the Spanish Civil War and tried to re-ignite their ancient hatreds of private property, achievement, personal religion or faith, parental choice in education, individual liberty, etc. Political correctness has made practicing religion almost a thought crime. The government tells the Catholic church to remove 1000 year-old images in Cathedrals offensive to MOSLEMS, and the government subsidizes the maintenance of Saudi built mosques instead.

In Spain, it is Socialists of the Stalinist sort, who have demonized the US when Reagan was in office, who wanted Spain out of NATO, and wanted the US out of Spain. Javier Solana who now struts around on the world stage, was one of these socialist street thugs who now has respectability. (SPIT)

Pres. Bush could count on Pres. Jose Maria Aznar as an ally against terrorists who struck both our countries.

Bush-hater Pres. Zapatero has made his allies islamists, Castro's communist regime, Venezuela's narcopetro dictator, and other despicable despots.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #102 hous bin pharteen

Its kinda funny that Hilary is making nice nice with Iran. To them, we are The Great Satan. Iran hates us with their leaders and wants Nukes. With Pakistan's nukes, North Korea help, it is just a matter of time till they get one. Putting the squeeze on Israel wont help. It is only going to make Iran bolder. People don't worry since Iran is far enough away to not hit us with a missile or rocket. But they don't need one. I would talk about it, but Charles may report me to the spooks and ruin my dinner.

We can all come up with scenarios of how Iran could attack us. In fact, we probably can do better than the DHS right now.

114 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:18:14pm

and BO is the leader of the free world...chew on that

115 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:18:18pm

re: #97 Nevergiveup

It can get ya fired and at family parties make you eat on the stoop outside to get away from the G-D dam commie bastard relatives?

Well, yeah. There is that I suppose.
My family is actually to the right of me and at work, well, they pretty much write it off to 'that cranky old bastard in the lab'.

Could have something to do with my Rules of Engineering:

#1 If you think I have the solution to your problem you're f***ed,

#2 If it makes work for me it's a bad idea.

#3 If it doesn't make work for me it might have some merit.

116 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:18:20pm

re: #95 Lynn B.

Spain has had a few more years of a far-left administration than we in the U.S. have and I suspect that we're only seeing the beginnings of this "revival of the extreme right disguised in conservative and even libertarian clothing" here. Heaven help us.

And CNN was just touting a poll that says most Americans finally feel this country is "headed in the right direction."

I keep running into people who voted for The One, and are now anything from worried to appalled at what he's "accomplished" since inauguration, especially re the economy. And who mostly say they now wish they'd voted for McCain.

I'm beginning to wonder if, when CNN says "most Americans", they really mean "our newsroom crew". Sort of the way their old opinion polls on the previous President seemed to consist mainly of a senior editor standing up in same and asking, "OK, how much more do we all hate Dubya today?"

// I hate it when I can't tell if I'm being sarcastic, or just realistic.

cheers

eon

117 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:19:40pm

I didn't realize how bad Bolivia was. Morales and Chavez must be close buddies.
Bolivian police raid Chabad house

Several times this week, Bolivian police have forcibly closed a Chabad House in an area popular with foreign backpackers. A Foreign Ministry official said Thursday that there were no Israeli citizens caught up in the raids, but other reports indicated that several Israelis were arrested.

The Chabad House targeted by Bolivian law enforcement is located in Rurrenabaque, in the northeastern part of the country. Rabbi Aharon Fraiman, a Chabad emissary in the town, told the Chabad.info website that local police have not presented any official closure order, nor have they provided a reason for the raids. The rabbi further claimed that several Israelis were arrested by police and that one of them had already been kicked out of the country.

118 Kragar  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #114 albusteve

and BO is the leader of the free world...chew on that

He is the President. He has yet to show he can lead anything.

119 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:20:03pm

U.S. Is Said to Push Chrysler to Prepare for Chapter 11

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

But get this:

The Treasury has an agreement in principle with the United Automobile Workers union, whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected as a condition of the bankruptcy filing, said these people, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

SO the FIX is in? Is this PAY BACK for supporting Obama?

120 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:20:27pm

re: #106 Soona'

I have the same concerns as eon. If the Taliban momentum isn't stopped, then a covert, or even an overt US operation should be launch to, at least, disable the Paki's nuclear stable.

You have it, those nukes either have to be secured or destroyed.
That's the concept, how do you do it? I sure hope that Obama has the "Moderate" Taliban on speed dial.

121 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #117 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't realize how bad Bolivia was. Morales and Chavez must be close buddies.

Yes, they are. Chavez is pretty much Morales' "big brother" politically. Chavez very much helped swing the election for him.

122 brookly red  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:21:07pm

re: #106 Soona'

I have the same concerns as eon. If the Taliban momentum isn't stopped, then a covert, or even an overt US operation should be launch to, at least, disable the Paki's nuclear stable.

Well if the Pakistani government permits they my already have been moved... but disabling them would require drastic measures.

123 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:21:23pm

re: #101 Van Helsing

Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles...
Sorry. My bad. they can't sing that there.
I have a problem with free speech restrictions any where.

Yes they can. It's their national anthem. They can't sing things like the "Horst Wessel Lied".

124 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:21:48pm

re: #119 Nevergiveup

U.S. Is Said to Push Chrysler to Prepare for Chapter 11

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

But get this:

The Treasury has an agreement in principle with the United Automobile Workers union, whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected as a condition of the bankruptcy filing, said these people, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

SO the FIX is in? Is this PAY BACK for supporting Obama?


How could you even THINK such a thing? Quid pro quo politics in the Age of Change?
Bastard. Racist bastard!

125 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:22:47pm

re: #110 albusteve

the Talis are not pressing to Islamabad for political purposes

Seems like they could take it before lunch doesn't it? Much of the Pakistani Army are in sympathy with the Taliban. How much of the Army remains loyal to the government is key.

126 MJ  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:23:32pm

re: #8 Summer

My god, they really are cavorting in public with self-declared Nazis. What is it about Pamela at this point that makes her do this? She's the one screaming at the top of her lungs about anti-semitism, and she's an honored guest at some group where they have fantasies about singing "fatherland and blood" type songs...

Pamela Geller has gone completely fucking insane.

Geller has become the Right-wing equivalent of the Neturei Karta. Where those imbeciles provided cover to antisemites such as Ahmadinejad, she provides cover for the Neo-Nazi front.

127 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:23:38pm

Mark down the date. Tuesday, April 21, 2009, is the moment that any chance of a new era of bipartisan respect in Washington ended. By inviting the prosecution of Bush officials for their antiterror legal advice, President Obama has injected a poison into our politics that he and the country will live to regret.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

You bet your ass he will regret it!

128 gegenkritik  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:23:45pm

Pro Köln is still a very small group, with not more than 500 members. It's true that their leading figures Manfred Rouhs (formerly NPD) and Markus Beisicht (formerly Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat) are coming from the militant Nazi-Milieu. Though, they are now trying to give themselves a new image, away from militant Neo-Nazi "against the system"-attitude towards a "loyal to the constitution".
Their main focus now is agitation against foreigners - especially muslims - and an accentuation of "christian" values.
To "prove" that they aren't racist, they now always proudly present Joseph Intsiful, as well as an israeli flag. Intsiful is a member of the notorious Society of St. Pius X and of course it's very clear that he is playing the role for pro Köln that Norman Finkelstein is playing for Anti-Semites worldwide.
But the causa pro Köln also demonstrates what happens, when rightwing-extremists focus on racism instead of anti-semitism: the "real" Nazis from NPD and Freie Kameradschaften (independent Nazis) have released spiteful comments directed at pro Köln, calling them "jewish slaves" and threatens them with violence.

It's also noteworthy, that the thousands of left counter-protesters last time were partly violent - and not only against the racists of pro Köln, but also against a very small group (not more than 30 people), who had announced a third demonstration, against racism and islamism. Organizer of this small demonstration were Mina Ahadi (who was insulted as "racist") as well as Holocaust-survivor Ralph Giordano.

I don't know if the aforementioned will repeat a demonstration. If not, there's no side to ally with and it may be best to avoid Cologne anyway, as there will be riots for sure.

129 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:23:52pm

re: #107 opnion

We really can't stand by & watch this happen, but more nations than just us have a stke in this. A Nato force should get the nukes secured.

Getting NATO to do anything is like trying to herd cats.

130 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:24:03pm

re: #125 opnion

Seems like they could take it before lunch doesn't it? Much of the Pakistani Army are in sympathy with the Taliban. How much of the Army remains loyal to the government is key.

We'll be fine. Remember, the Lightworker is in charge.

//

131 moonflower  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:24:36pm

re: #18 DawnofTruth

Many prayers coming for your puppy.

132 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:24:50pm

re: #130 Truck Monkey

We'll be fine. Remember, the Lightworker is in charge.

//

Maybe he can ask Castro for troops to help?

133 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:25:13pm

re: #129 Son of the Black Dog

Getting NATO to do anything is like trying to herd cats.

We ARE NATO. There is no "there" there.

134 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:25:24pm

re: #119 Nevergiveup

As a bankruptcy lawyer, I can tell you that it's highly unusual for the U.S. government to dictate a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing which prefers the rights of one group of creditors over others, unless all creditors and other parties in interest agree. Congress could amend the bankruptcy statute to change that, but that hasn't happened.

Depending on how this is done, it may be unconstitutional. That'll be interesting to watch.

135 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:25:52pm

re: #132 Nevergiveup

Maybe he can ask Castro for troops to help?

HE only sends his troops to Africa...... and only the black ones at that.

136 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:26:20pm

re: #129 Son of the Black Dog

Getting NATO to do anything is like trying to herd cats.

NATO and the UN are totally worthless...their time is rapidly coming to an end

137 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:26:21pm

re: #123 Soona'

Yes they can. It's their national anthem. They can't sing things like the "Horst Wessel Lied".

24th-century Russian Nazis will doubtless sing the "Nuclear Wessel Song".

138 Van Helsing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:26:51pm

re: #123 Soona'

You're correct. My bad.

139 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:27:04pm

re: #127 Nevergiveup

Obama and his lieutenants in the dock, facing criminal charges. That's what Obama's vengeful policies against the prior Administration will accomplish. Political payback.

140 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:27:28pm

Is it just me, or does Axel Reitz look like a nasty little bully?

141 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:27:47pm

re: #134 quickjustice

As a bankruptcy lawyer, I can tell you that it's highly unusual for the U.S. government to dictate a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing which prefers the rights of one group of creditors over others, unless all creditors and other parties in interest agree. Congress could amend the bankruptcy statute to change that, but that hasn't happened.

Depending on how this is done, it may be unconstitutional. That'll be interesting to watch.

Well I don't know anything legal about these things and I am sure you are right. But you could have seen this coming a mile away from Obama. This is pay back time. I hope he gets called on this.

142 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:28:11pm

Reitz re: #128 gegenkritik

To "prove" that they aren't racist, they now always proudly present Joseph Intsiful, as well as an israeli flag. Intsiful is a member of the notorious Society of St. Pius X and of course it's very clear that he is playing the role for pro Köln that Norman Finkelstein is playing for Anti-Semites worldwide.

Not the wretched Society of Pius X again! As if the Church needed another headache.

143 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:28:35pm

re: #139 quickjustice

Obama and his lieutenants in the dock, facing criminal charges. That's what Obama's vengeful policies against the prior Administration will accomplish. Political payback.

I agree...but only if the wheels of justice churn as they should...who knows?...the American people will only take so much before we blow

144 Zimriel  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

Is it just me, or does Axel Reitz look like a nasty little bully?

He looks like Matt Damon to me...

145 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:28:47pm

re: #129 Son of the Black Dog

Getting NATO to do anything is like trying to herd cats.

I know, but I getr tired of our troops doing all the fightiong & dying.
Whatever though , the Taleebhan can't get the nukes.
BHO said that he wanted to make government "cool" again, well now is the time to go all John Shaft on em.

146 Lynn B.  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:28:54pm

re: #128 gegenkritik

Pro Köln is still a very small group, with not more than 500 members. It's true that their leading figures Manfred Rouhs (formerly NPD) and Markus Beisicht (formerly Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat) are coming from the militant Nazi-Milieu. Though, they are now trying to give themselves a new image, away from militant Neo-Nazi "against the system"-attitude towards a "loyal to the constitution".

Now where have we heard that before?

147 eon  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:29:34pm

re: #119 Nevergiveup

U.S. Is Said to Push Chrysler to Prepare for Chapter 11

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

But get this:

The Treasury has an agreement in principle with the United Automobile Workers union, whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected as a condition of the bankruptcy filing, said these people, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

SO the FIX is in? Is this PAY BACK for supporting Obama?

GM is apparently getting the same treatment. The bottom line being that even if they can't sell a car, they must keep paying both the union workers (including the "Job Bank" crowd), and the union pensions, and the benefits (medical, etc.). With what, The One's minions are not required to explain.

The Big Three could be the Big One (Ford) before summer. And I'm pretty sure The One's "corporate facilitators" are sharpening their little hatchets for them, too, as we speak.

From their POV, it's a twofer. They not only create some sort of permanent union welfare system (thus guaranteeing another generation of solid voting blocs on their side), they also get to feel virtuous about killing off what they consider a major source of evil Global Warming.

And no, they don't believe that there will be repercussions throughout our economy and society. Or if there are, they think they can control them to only hurt those they feel "have it coming".

As I've said before, starting an avalanche is one thing- aiming the sucker is something else entirely.

/Getting squashed by it, by comparison, is all too easy, if you're fool enough to get in its way.

cheers

eon

148 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:29:41pm

re: #132 Nevergiveup

Maybe he can ask Castro for troops to help?

How about Hugo, Barak is in his book club.

149 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:29:54pm

re: #143 albusteve

I agree...but only if the wheels of justice churn as they should...who knows?...the American people will only take so much before we blow

Holder did mention just this afternoon that he would not criminalize policy differences and ruled out prosecution for former Bush Adm. officials.

150 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:31:46pm

re: #149 Truck Monkey

Holder did mention just this afternoon that he would not criminalize policy differences and ruled out prosecution for former Bush Adm. officials.

yes...there is a nursery rhyme in there

151 MJ  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:31:51pm

Columbia Set To Crash

The New York Post features an article by Jacob Gershman on the Joseph Massad tenure case at Columbia. I highly recommend it. Gershman covered this story for the now-defunct New York Sun, and he knows all the ins and outs.

Gershman reports that Massad's file has already passed muster with President Lee Bollinger, and will be presented to Columbia's Board of Trustees for a final decision in about a week. Bollinger "buckled," Gershman writes, rather than face down a determined faculty clique. "The Massad tenure battle," he adds, "is about the failure of leadership of Bollinger—whose job it is to safeguard Columbia's academic integrity." Bottom line:
Columbia's trustees must decide: Do they attempt to clean up after Bollinger and stop this absurdity—or do they confer academic legitimacy on Massad's ideas and agenda? Hesitant to insert themselves in an academic matter, the trustees would be wise to consider the consequences of silence.

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

152 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:32:05pm

Anybody watch the Miss USA pageant? You got Donald "asshole" Trump running it with political opinions and a gay male judge. (I thought gays liked men, not women) Is NBC going to have the Miss Male USA pageant and Mister Female USA pageant this year? Or are they to sexist? What about both swimsuit and evening gown events? The only part I liked was Kenan Thompson as a judge. A Saturday Night Live guy. [Link: www.nbc.com...]

153 TedStriker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:32:20pm

re: #134 quickjustice

As a bankruptcy lawyer, I can tell you that it's highly unusual for the U.S. government to dictate a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing which prefers the rights of one group of creditors over others, unless all creditors and other parties in interest agree. Congress could amend the bankruptcy statute to change that, but that hasn't happened.

Depending on how this is done, it may be unconstitutional. That'll be interesting to watch.

Since when have lib Donks ever followed the rules/law, unless it suited them? If the rules/law doesn't suit them, they just make shit up and dazzle everyone else with bullshit...

/do I really need to?

154 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:32:58pm

re: #149 Truck Monkey

Holder did mention just this afternoon that he would not criminalize policy differences and ruled out prosecution for former Bush Adm. officials.

Does that inclue Justice Department lawyers?

155 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:33:14pm

re: #18 DawnofTruth

Sorry to go off topic, but I need prayers. My 6 month old puppy went in to get spade this morning. The vet called to say they think she had a heart attack. They have brought her back twice but her heart rate is very erratic. Please pray for her.

Done. {DawnofTruth & Pupster}

156 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:33:35pm

re: #152 hous bin pharteen

Anybody watch the Miss USA pageant? You got Donald "asshole" Trump running it with political opinions and a gay male judge. (I thought gays liked men, not women) Is NBC going to have the Miss Male USA pageant and Mister Female USA pageant this year? Or are they to sexist? What about both swimsuit and evening gown events? The only part I liked was Kenan Thompson as a judge. A Saturday Night Live guy. [Link: www.nbc.com...]

I am very concerned...keep me posted

157 gegenkritik  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:33:56pm

re: #144 Zimriel

He looks like Matt Damon to me...

Reitz is a joke. Even the hardcore-Nazis don't take him seriously.
He was one of the leading members of a small and very obscure Nazi-sect called "Kampfbund Deutscher Sozialisten". (Combat-group of German Socialists). Those freaks dressed like historical Nazis, followed some kind of juche-ideology and hailed Kim Jong-il and North Korea ("Immortal North Korea" was one of their slogans). They were mocked even among most other Nazis.

158 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:06pm

re: #152 hous bin pharteen

Who is Peres Hilton?

159 sjmiller  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:06pm

So what exactly constitutes the 'extreme right' and the 'respectable right'? It seems that many on this blog consider many people that have a strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, or believe in smaller government, or the belief that the Federal Reserve act of 1913 and the XVI amendment is total BS is somehow considered 'extreme'. here is how I place myself:

I support the concept that decentralizes government power as much as possible, to the point of allowing local governments to have greater control over their citizens than central governments. It can also be called government by Local Rule. The concept of decentralization is an end result of the republican's core belief that consolidation of power in large quantities in any area leads to massive corruption and widespread abuse of said power.

Am I considered a "right wing extremist"?

160 alegrias  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:19pm

re: #117 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't realize how bad Bolivia was. Morales and Chavez must be close buddies.
Bolivian police raid Chabad house

* * * *
Close? Chavez & Morales are clones! Both think skin color based policies and kleptocratic communism are great ideas.

Individual rights, property, life, liberty, pursuit of happines---BAD!

161 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:34:45pm

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow

DHS would do better hiring here. Hell, most of us would do it for free!

162 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:35:10pm

re: #159 sjmiller

So what exactly constitutes the 'extreme right' and the 'respectable right'? It seems that many on this blog consider many people that have a strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, or believe in smaller government, or the belief that the Federal Reserve act of 1913 and the XVI amendment is total BS is somehow considered 'extreme'. here is how I place myself:

I support the concept that decentralizes government power as much as possible, to the point of allowing local governments to have greater control over their citizens than central governments. It can also be called government by Local Rule. The concept of decentralization is an end result of the republican's core belief that consolidation of power in large quantities in any area leads to massive corruption and widespread abuse of said power.

Am I considered a "right wing extremist"?

it's a self defining blog....you are what you eat

163 brookly red  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:35:13pm

re: #145 opnion

I know, but I getr tired of our troops doing all the fightiong & dying.
Whatever though , the Taleebhan can't get the nukes.
BHO said that he wanted to make government "cool" again, well now is the time to go all John Shaft on em.

The nukes are keep in such a maner as to at least partially survive a first strike presumably from India... destroying them would most likely require the use of other nukes & that is unthinkable.

164 Miss Trixie  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #158 opnion

Who is Peres Hilton?

Honey, you DON'T want to know. Seriously icky.

165 Querent  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:36:17pm

re: #159 sjmiller

to non-lizards, probably. But you sound more like a lizard.

166 albusteve  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:36:19pm

re: #163 brookly red

The nukes are keep in such a maner as to at least partially survive a first strike presumably from India... destroying them would most likely require the use of other nukes & that is unthinkable.

that will change....

167 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:36:45pm

re: #149 Truck Monkey

Holder did mention just this afternoon that he would not criminalize policy differences and ruled out prosecution for former Bush Adm. officials.

No, Bush administration officials will be prosecuted for "crimes against the people".

168 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:36:58pm

Dinner calls.
Later gators
I plan on coming back to chat awhile.

169 Querent  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:37:38pm

re: #167 Son of the Black Dog

No, Bush administration officials will be prosecuted for "crimes against the people".

not necessarily the American people?

(anyone need some extra /sarc tags?)

170 opnion  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:38:20pm

re: #163 brookly red

The nukes are keep in such a maner as to at least partially survive a first strike presumably from India... destroying them would most likely require the use of other nukes & that is unthinkable.

And there is the quandry. Think about it tough, if the Taliban gets the nukes & shares with their pals in Al Queda.

171 brookly red  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #166 albusteve

that will change....

let us hope it dose not come to that.

172 Randall Gross  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:38:36pm

The bad news from the article? The conservatives elected in the past few years haven't done anything to really change the immigration and bannlieu (sp?) problems in Europe. That's sad, I do think they had a mandate if they had acted sooner.

173 brookly red  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:39:54pm

re: #170 opnion

And there is the quandry. Think about it tough, if the Taliban gets the nukes & shares with their pals in Al Queda.

I miss Bush.

174 alegrias  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:41:28pm

re: #173 brookly red

I miss Bush.

I miss Bush and Aznar.

175 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:42:09pm

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

Of all irony today, Pam was ranting about Pat Buchanan and John Demjanjuk. It's really some odd irony when she memorializes the Holocaust, condemns Buchanan and Demjanjuk, and then goes on to sing the praises of the Vlaams Belang, BNP, and LePen.

Schizophrenics do not experience cognitive dissonance.

176 gegenkritik  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:42:39pm

re: #94 Charles
By the way, this source "Linke Zeitung" is one of the most vicious left anti-semitic websites in Germany (also under Observation by German Inland Secret Service).
If it was not their usual practice to be "against" Nazis, they would have allied with people like Reitz long time ago. They don't diverge in substance.

177 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:43:31pm

Horst Wessel lied
People died

178 affenkopf  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:46:16pm

Since there's a link pi-news, I stopped reading them in late 2007 when they defended Vlaams Belang and co and accused Charles of lying. No surprise that they have no problem being on the same side as the fascists from Pro Köln.

179 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

Well I don't know anything legal about these things and I am sure you are right. But you could have seen this coming a mile away from Obama. This is pay back time. I hope he gets called on this.

The fix is in. He'll get what he wants. Damn the US Constitution.

180 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #177 Alouette

Horst Wessel lied
People died

Lied: Pronounced "leed".

181 rightymouse  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:49:54pm
Speaking of those “anti-jihad” bloggers, Pamela Geller and Paul Belien have been announced as speakers at a German far right event organized by a group called “Pro Köln” — a successor to the notorious fascist group “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat” (the “German League for People and Homeland”). The “Pro Köln” group is under observation by the German inland secret service.

Good Lord.

This unbelievable foolishness will come back to bite Geller, Belien and Spencer in their arses sooner or later.

182 Soona'  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:51:10pm

re: #159 sjmiller

So what exactly constitutes the 'extreme right' and the 'respectable right'? It seems that many on this blog consider many people that have a strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, or believe in smaller government, or the belief that the Federal Reserve act of 1913 and the XVI amendment is total BS is somehow considered 'extreme'. here is how I place myself:

I support the concept that decentralizes government power as much as possible, to the point of allowing local governments to have greater control over their citizens than central governments. It can also be called government by Local Rule. The concept of decentralization is an end result of the republican's core belief that consolidation of power in large quantities in any area leads to massive corruption and widespread abuse of said power.

Am I considered a "right wing extremist"?

To DHS, yes. Just like I am.

183 Truck Monkey  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 3:52:20pm

re: #154 opnion

Does that inclue Justice Department lawyers?

That is my understanding of what he said.

184 Dag Nabbitt  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:41:28pm

Good to see a Bawer article at LGF. His description of Europe's immigration practices as a disaster is spot on. A nice shout out, too, to Norway's Fremskrittspartiet (Progress Party), the only serious party in the country that's immigration restrictionist.

185 Macker  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:48:33pm

re: #119 Nevergiveup

U.S. Is Said to Push Chrysler to Prepare for Chapter 11

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

But get this:

The Treasury has an agreement in principle with the United Automobile Workers union, whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected as a condition of the bankruptcy filing, said these people, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

SO the FIX is in? Is this PAY BACK for supporting Obama?

Is a bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

/Steve Martin

186 yochanan  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 4:49:41pm

re: #24 hous bin pharteen

I am a General Patton conservative. After defeating the Nazi Germans, he wanted to take on the commies from the USSR. The two groups were as nuts as the other one was. They both attacked Poland, then they fought each other. Think about it. It is not Right Wing vs Left Wing. It is a circle. Good vs Evil. They are both at the other end of the circle.

the nazi's and commies both believe that the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS so genicide and mass murder are ok if it is to promote the 'ideal'

pam there is a reason these groups are illegal in modern germany

187 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:24:54pm

I Am Lucy,

Somebody Please 'Splain to me why there are NOT give or take "Thatcherite" parties throughout Europe? Lady Thatcher got it just about right - what is the problem with European Politicians? - Pray Tell.

-S-

188 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:32:14pm

re: #186 yochanan

Yochanan -

In 1945/6 the US was NOT READY to take on that burden. To expand the concept, the UK had just thrown out Sir Winston for Clement Atlee. The West WAS tired and allowed the USSR to take over Eastern Europe on the basis of a "20 Million Russian" Holocaust - Probably True!
We wanted to go HOME. Stalin wanted to go WEST. We were Allies during the War, what could go wrong? - DUH? - That is all.

-S-

189 Jr ewing  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:32pm

Im from Spain and ive never heard of a national-Catholic, proto-fascist Partido popular

Is that some sort of fringe political group?

190 jvic  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:06:55pm

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

I'm counting on them [India] more than the US right now.

re: #170 opnion

re: #163 brookly red

The nukes are keep in such a maner as to at least partially survive a first strike presumably from India... destroying them would most likely require the use of other nukes & that is unthinkable.

And there is the quandry. Think about it tough, if the Taliban gets the nukes & shares with their pals in Al Queda.

Speaking of quandaries, what are the Chinese thinking? They have no love for America or India, but they have a rebellious Muslim minority...and they share a border with Pakistan.


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