I don’t know when it happened, but the Wall Street Journal quietly removed Paul Belien’s Eurofascist website Brussels Journal from their OpinionJournal Federation page.
This LGF post might have had something to do with it: Brussels Journal Advocates Tribal Nationalism, White Separatism.
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:15:36pm |
IIRC, the WSJ still employs for real journalists. They saw this BS and tossed it to the curb.
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jorline Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:16:59pm |
Pamela, are you rethinking the EuroNazis convention now?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:20:35pm |
re: #6 Dar ul Harbarian
They should replace it with LGF
Yes, indeed. LGF would make a fine addition to any blog role.
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:22:28pm |
re: #7 Occasional Reader
Good on the WSJ. A bastion of sanity.
I love the best of the web.. a great daily read...
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alegrias Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:23:10pm |
James Taranto of the Opinion Journal, is the best!
He's written so lovingly of his Turkish Jewish relatives' experiences.
Thank you Charles for exposing bad actors.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:23:40pm |
I'm very happy to see this as the trashy, racist, homophobic brussels journal and it's little desk dropped the mask very quickly on Charles and Bruce Bawer too, when Charles published an email from Mr Bawer stating these parties at the infamous "counterjihad conference" were indeed fascist parties. It should be noted- Paul Belien is married to a VB politico.
The bj really stinks, and this kick to the curb by the WSJ was well deserved.
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researchok Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:24:20pm |
The choices we make determine our destiny.
Brussels Journal, et al, have made their choices.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:26:20pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
I'm very happy to see this as the trashy, racist, homophobic brussels journal and it's little desk dropped the mask very quickly on Charles and Bruce Bawer too, when Charles published an email from Mr Bawer stating these parties at the infamous "counterjihad conference" were indeed fascist parties. It should be noted- Paul Belien is married to a VB politico.
The bj really stinks, and this kick to the curb by the WSJ was well deserved.
See:
[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:27:32pm |
Also see:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:29:22pm |
And if you really want to be nauseated, here's Pamela Geller interviewing Paul Belien, and spewing hatred at yours truly for a whole hour.
[Link: www.blogtalkradio.com...]
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:29:40pm |
Folks, we've got a live one on the vaccination thread.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:24pm |
re: #15 Charles
See:
[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]
Yeah... I take satisfaction in that I personally offended paul when I called that article a piece of trash. Heh.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:31pm |
re: #11 HoosierHoops
I love the best of the web.. a great daily read...
I print that out every evening to read on the way home on the Metro.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:38pm |
Good on the Wall Street Journal. Of course this means more lost revenue for Belien which means more whining about the treacherous LGF
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LGoPs Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:30:55pm |
I've always considered the WSJ to be the finest paper in the country. It should be the paper of record. Not the NYT.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:31:01pm |
re: #15 Charles
Looks as if Belien is afraid he might be forced to turn gay,
but he's ready to go down swinging.
"Better dead than red," Paul.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:31:51pm |
re: #18 Occasional Reader
Folks, we've got a live one on the vaccination thread.
The freaks come out at night
The freaks come out at niiight
We had a Ronulan (registered in 2004!) over at that thread melting down, just now...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:32:43pm |
re: #18 Occasional Reader
Folks, we've got a live one on the vaccination thread.
I'm there. We'll test the poster's mettle and see if he or she is a troll or not.
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:34:03pm |
re: #19 Sharmuta
You 'personally' offended Paul? Did he call you out? Cool!
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:35:13pm |
re: #23 jaunte
Looks as if Belien is afraid he might be forced to turn gay,
but he's ready to go down swinging."Better dead than red," Paul.
I saw that pic up at Douglas's useless little blog too. What is it with these two guys and that pic? It's not particularly offensive, except insofar as they missed their calling as extras in Road Warrior.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:37:31pm |
re: #27 Zimriel
I think it's their shorthand symbol for their enemies on the opposite side of the 'muslim threat,' the secular hedonists.
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Syrah Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:38:31pm |
re: #19 Sharmuta
Yeah... I take satisfaction in that I personally offended paul when I called that article a piece of trash. Heh.
Taking a look at the link, I see this
PS The comments on this website are unmoderated. However, we are being attacked by Johnson's website because we tolerate comments with which we do not agree. Hence, a question to our readers: Should we close down the comment section or should we stå på?
Damn!
We are attacking?
Was somebody going to let us know about that?
My super-secret Lizard attack siren hasn't gone off at all today.
Should I check the batteries?
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pingjockey Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:39:30pm |
re: #27 Zimriel
You need to get out more. Or look at Zombies Folsom Street Fair pics, It looks like a Gay Pride parade/demonstration, in your face bullshit they pull.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:41:45pm |
Actually, I'm pretty sure that LGF post WAS responsible for the WSJ removing Brussels Journal, because there's basically no other blogger with the balls to step up on this issue.
Just sayin'.
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:43:09pm |
While we're on the subject: Bruce Bawer has a new book coming out in a few weeks.
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Syrah Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:45:26pm |
It says a lot that those folks reacted so strongly to Charles's initial expressions of doubts about that first conference. Something ugly really was afoot.
Like cockroaches that scurry from the light, it is the being found out that they find most offensive.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:48:49pm |
re: #30 pingjockey
You need to get out more. Or look at Zombies Folsom Street Fair pics, It looks like a Gay Pride parade/demonstration, in your face bullshit they pull.
I do need to get out more, but that's not the point :^)
If Paul Belien and Donald Douglas want to shock me, they'll need to try harder. Their sites have potential - as the softcore S&M gay pr0n clearinghouse of Europe. Given what we've learnt about Jorg Haider, I doubt they'd lose much traffic; and they'd open up a whole new avenue ... of readership.
Donnie! Paulie! Give me a ring, we'll do lunch!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:49:13pm |
Spencer's attacking me again, right on cue.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:31pm |
Someone should let Tom Toles (Tom Tomorrow) know that Robert Spencer is violating his copyright.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:50:54pm |
re: #40 Charles
Spencer's attacking me again, right on cue.
It's the hit dog as hollers the loudest.
/old Southern saying
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:54:01pm |
re: #41 Charles
Someone should let Tom Toles (Tom Tomorrow) know that Robert Spencer is violating his copyright.
I'm sure that ol' Tom (lib that he is) would just love to hear about it...
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:57:35pm |
re: #40 Charles
Spencer's attacking me again, right on cue.
"They can't be neo-nazis because they invited us". I'm not sure that's the ringing endorsement he seems to think it is. How fallacious.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:57:36pm |
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
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Aviator Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:23pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
Sales samples.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:35pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
"It is unclear why the grenade was in the house."
AP, reporting that never disappoints.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 23, 2009 7:59:47pm |
Spencer sez.....
Racist parties such as the BNP and antisemites such as Jean Marie LePen's National Front are not welcome and have not been invited.
Last year the BNP wasn't only invited they were featured speakers.....
Communists Riot so German Police Stop Anti-Islamification Rally in Cologne (Google chache)
Extremist Communists rioted in the streets of the German city of Cologne this morning, attacking police, vandalising property and setting fire to rubbish bins.
This scandalous behaviour gave the German police the excuse they needed to ban the anti-Islamification rally due to be held in the city, at which the BNP’s Richard Barnbrook was to have been a guest speaker.
What a difference a year makes, eh?
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:00:43pm |
re: #24 Zimriel
The freaks come out at night
The freaks come out at niiightWe had a Ronulan (registered in 2004!) over at that thread melting down, just now...
RONULANS!
All Starfleet vessels to Red Alert!
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:01:09pm |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
Last year's featured speaker.... That one might leave a mark.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:01:32pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
Ugh. My prayers for those two (who probably thought it was a toy, since they never saw it go off before, obviously).
As for their dad... I'm not too sick to be rude properly anymore... I guess I'm just too angry. There has got to be a child-endangerment law to lock this creep away.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:01:39pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
When you ask for a "bug bomb" in Yemen, you need to be careful.
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Van Helsing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:02:12pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
Ummm... really difficult competition?
Just kidding. I'm guessing jihadi scum. which would be followed by good riddance.
If there is extenuating circumstances, please let me know. I'.m willing to adjust my judgment.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:02:22pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
BTW, I am pretty sure this is Bush's fault.
/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:02:42pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Speaking of things that go boom, this really doesn't surprise. Two sons of a Gitmo detainee died playing with a hand grenade in their house. The explosion killed the two, and one has to wonder why a businessman would have hand grenades in his house.
Note that the Daily Mail still shows it's bias by using that old orange jumpsuit Gitmo pic as the stories caption.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:10pm |
re: #50 Pawn of the Oppressor
RONULANS!
All Starfleet vessels to Red Alert!
Set phasers on GAZE, arm the Clue Torpedoes!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:14pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
They also promoted Le Penn as a featured speaker but he didn't make it. I'm sure an FN representative was there. The only reason the BNP rep didn't give his speech is that anarchist rioted to stop it.
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Sunlight Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:27pm |
re: #33 Charles
Actually, I'm pretty sure that LGF post WAS responsible for the WSJ removing Brussels Journal, because there's basically no other blogger with the balls to step up on this issue.
Just sayin'.
Those Euro posts and threads shone a light in just the right way to get the roaches to scurry and draw attention to themselves. Kicked over rocks and exposed the slippery slimies underneath. And it still goes on. A public service, Charles. Anybody who has lived over there may have had the hair stand up on the back of the neck, but may have talked themselves into thinking it just couldn't be. But it is and they showed it themselves right here on LGF.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:32pm |
re: #56 Dark_Falcon
Note that the Daily Mail still shows it's bias by using that old orange jumpsuit Gitmo pic as the stories caption.
Those are awful. Let's ask Joe Arpaio to borrow some of his prison wear.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:04:40pm |
re: #33 Charles
Actually, I'm pretty sure that LGF post WAS responsible for the WSJ removing Brussels Journal, because there's basically no other blogger with the balls to step up on this issue.
... Except for Thanos, who continues to step up when others won't.
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pittrader1988 Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:06:05pm |
this is one reason why the wsj continues to increase in circulation.....and the ny times is broke.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:07:21pm |
re: #62 pittrader1988
this is one reason why the wsj continues to increase in circulation.....and the ny times is broke.
In a way. But in another way, they're just as craven. I emailed several people at the WSJ, and not one of them bothered to reply.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:07pm |
re: #61 Charles
Dude,
If I post a link to Pro Köln about Le Penn being last year's featured speaker through google auto-translator does it count towards their traffic?
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:08:18pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
They also promoted Le Penn as a featured speaker but he didn't make it. I'm sure an FN representative was there. The only reason the BNP rep didn't give his speech is that anarchist rioted to stop it.
IIRC, that incident set off another round of smear attacks because somehow it was LGF's fault that the fascists had their free speech thwarted. Am I remembering correctly?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:09:42pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Dude,
If I post a link to Pro Köln about Le Penn being last year's featured speaker through google auto-translator does it count towards their traffic?
In a way. They get some traffic through the link, but the more important thing is the number of people who are informed about their agenda.
Balancing act.
| 69 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:33pm |
re: #66 Sharmuta
I know they pointed to it as a sign of opression. Even Spencer put up a thread about it but I don't know if LGF was blamed.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:34pm |
re: #63 Charles
In a way. But in another way, they're just as craven. I emailed several people at the WSJ, and not one of them bothered to reply.
Charels, OT but thought you might be interested to know that James Walcott at Vanity Fair did a quick blog of the last Gellar article.
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calcajun Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:59pm |
re: #53 OldLineTexan
When you ask for a "bug bomb" in Yemen, you need to be careful.
Daddy should not bring his work home!
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:10:59pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
Charels, OT but thought you might be interested to know that James Walcott at Vanity Fair did a quick blog of the last Gellar article.
Correction: Charles
PIMF
| 73 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:11:18pm |
re: #61 Charles
... Except for Thanos, who continues to step up when others won't.
Thanks for the compliment Charles, but I've really been slacking lately.
After layoffs us leftovers are three times as busy, and then there was that season 1-7 Buffy marathon that sorta got in the way lately...
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:13:33pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
Charels, OT but thought you might be interested to know that James Walcott at Vanity Fair did a quick blog of the last Gellar article.
LOL
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:13:55pm |
re: #67 Charles
Ok......
Anti-Islamization Congress
the Council of the City of Cologne has today are an extremely unsavory facts employ. Im September soll in unserer Stadt ein „Anti-Islamisierungs-Kongress“ stattfinden. In September, our city will be an "Anti-Islamization Congress" will take place. Es gibt nicht den geringsten Zweifel, dass es sich um ein Treffen von europäischen und deutschen Rechtsextremisten handelt. It is not the slightest doubt that this is a meeting of European and German right-wing acts.
Als Redner sind ua vorgesehen der FN-Vorsitzende Jean-Marie Le Penn, der Vlaams Belang-Fraktionsvorsitzende Filip Dewinter, der FPÖ-Chef HC Strache sowie Harald Neubauer, der auf Vorschlag der DVU auf Platz 2 der Landesliste der NPD Sachsen zur Bundestagswahl 2005 aufgestellt wurde. Speakers will include provision of FN-chairman Jean-Marie Le Penn, the Vlaams Belang Group chairman Filip Dewinter, leader of the FPÖ HC Strache and Harald Neubauer, on a proposal from the DVU at No. 2 in the country's list of NPD Saxony to set up Bundestagswahl 2005 was.
Der Letztgenannte soll anscheinend dafür sorgen, dass hier ein Schulterschluss mit den Neonazis gesucht wird. The latter is apparently to ensure that there is a shoulder to shoulder with the neo-Nazis sought.
Le Penn gets top billing in their complaint. So combined with my #49 Both Le Penn and BNP were featured speakers at last years event. The only thing that prevented that was rioting anarchist douchebags.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:14:47pm |
re: #75 Sharmuta
LOL
:) I blame it on the afternoon nap I took. That's what did it! That and weak coffee.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:05pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
Charels, OT but thought you might be interested to know that James Walcott at Vanity Fair did a quick blog of the last Gellar article.
Wolcott's not nearly as cuttingly funny as he thinks he is: "[Pamela Geller is] blogdom's Sarah Palin of High-Decibel Disassociation".
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:15:05pm |
Just the right amount of acerbic condescending wit in the Wolcott piece, that's got to smart.
| 82 |
Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:21pm |
re: #80 Thanos
Just the right amount of acerbic condescending wit in the Wolcott piece, that's got to smart.
Especially the title!
| 83 |
Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:16:25pm |
re: #78 Gus 802
No- I'm laughing at the link:
or quizzing Geert Wilders on how he gets his hair so bright and fluffy.
That was funny.
| 84 |
Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:17:27pm |
re: #83 Sharmuta
No- I'm laughing at the link:
That was funny.
Ah, OK. That line was a good one. Kind of reminded me of some of the comments about Wilders hair here at LGF.
| 85 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:17:34pm |
re: #79 Zimriel
Wolcott's not nearly as cuttingly funny as he thinks he is: "[Pamela Geller is] blogdom's Sarah Palin of High-Decibel Disassociation".
Why does he think it is insulting to compare someone to Sarah Palin?
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:18:10pm |
re: #82 Gus 802
Especially the title!
... which is a pop-culture reference from the hip n' trendy year 1991. Which wasn't even in the better half of U2's output.
Unforgettable Fire, now...
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:18:15pm |
re: #84 Gus 802
Ah, OK. That line was a good one. Kind of reminded me of some of the comments about Wilders hair here at LGF.
It's famous hair.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:19:06pm |
re: #83 Sharmuta
No- I'm laughing at the link:
quizzing Geert Wilders on how he gets his hair so bright and fluffy.
That was funny.
Okay I'll give him that one. :^)
| 89 |
Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:19:50pm |
re: #86 Zimriel
... which is a pop-culture reference from the hip n' trendy year 1991. Which wasn't even in the better half of U2's output.
Unforgettable Fire, now...
Roger. The other title is sure to cause some heads to explode.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:21:02pm |
re: #85 Alouette
Why does he think it is insulting to compare someone to Sarah Palin?
Because everyone who gets their "news" from SNL or Jon Stewart thinks shes an ignorant bible-thumping hatemonger.
| 91 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:21:19pm |
re: #85 Alouette
Why does he think it is insulting to compare someone to Sarah Palin?
It's a knee jerk from a leftist. The fact that they still do it well past the election means they still pheeeearrrrrr the Sarah.
| 93 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:22:00pm |
re: #87 Sharmuta
It's famous hair.
I'm no longer amused by Geert Wilders' hair, I must admit. Note that one of the persons attending the Pro-Koln hatefest is Wilders' main confidant.
Wilders is definitely not Fortuyn's heir. He's just another bigot.
| 94 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:22:24pm |
re: #80 Thanos
Just the right amount of acerbic condescending wit in the Wolcott piece, that's got to smart.
Agreed. I thought this guy Wolcott was a dee oh you cee aych ee (in South Park parlance) but that's pretty sharp stuff there... Hitchensian, even. And I'll give him props for the U2 album reference in the title.
| 96 |
Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:24:36pm |
Anyone else having issues with Youtube?
I had this urge to play the Unforgettable Fire video, and it keeps freezing up. But, LGF is running fine...
| 98 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:25:26pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
Charels, OT but thought you might be interested to know that James Walcott at Vanity Fair did a quick blog of the last Gellar article.
Saw that one earlier today. I haven't forgotten Wolcott's previous hatred directed at me, and my ego isn't so fragile that I'll now start saying, "Wow, James Wolcott likes me! He really likes me!"
Bite me, James.
| 99 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:25:45pm |
re: #97 Zimriel
Yes, but embedding is disabled.
| 100 |
gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:26:06pm |
re: #96 Zimriel
Anyone else having issues with Youtube?
I had this urge to play the Unforgettable Fire video, and it keeps freezing up. But, LGF is running fine...
I did have one YT video that locked up my browser. I just force-quit my browser, tried to play it again, and it worked fine.
| 101 |
JacksonTn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:26:44pm |
What is this ... somebody tell me wtf this is ... has Obama lost his friggin mind ...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
why is he throwing gasoline on the fire ... why! I cannot stand him ...
| 102 |
Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:26:55pm |
re: #93 Charles
I'm no longer amused by Geert Wilders' hair, I must admit. Note that one of the persons attending the Pro-Koln hatefest is Wilders' main confidant.
Wilders is definitely not Fortuyn's heir. He's just another bigot.
I agree.
| 103 |
Van Helsing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:27:03pm |
re: #95 jaunte
Sorry. Youngest child being a complete moron.
I can't shoot him, and sometimes I just dont' feel like dealing with morons.
| 104 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:27:31pm |
re: #85 Alouette
Why does he think it is insulting to compare someone to Sarah Palin?
Because "Palin" is synonymous with "freakshow" on the left side of the aisle. Moose-hunting? Lots of kids with goofy names? Strange accent? Loud and scary? Republicans like her? Goes to church, and a strange one at that? You see how she hits the left-wing freakshow checklist, right? She is all the things that conservatives like, which is all the things that non-conservatives love to hate.
I'm not sure who would be an equivalent figure for the non-leftists of the world. Ted Kennedy, maybe? Or that fat mustachioed guy from England who hangs out with Hezbollah... Forgot his name.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:27:49pm |
re: #98 Charles
Saw that one earlier today. I haven't forgotten Wolcott's previous hatred directed at me, and my ego isn't so fragile that I'll now start saying, "Wow, James Wolcott likes me! He really likes me!"
Bite me, James.
Yeah, looks like this is becoming a routine for guys like Wolcott. I actually thought about "heads exploding" when I saw it.
| 106 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:28:25pm |
re: #101 JacksonTn
Oh great. We get to relive Abu Ghraib, the entire right blogosphere will be entranced by the red cape, and nobody will pay attention to what Waxman is doing right now with cap and tax.....
| 107 |
jaunte Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:29:04pm |
re: #103 Van Helsing
The bright side: he's not yet 18 and being a moron where you can't see him. :-)
| 108 |
Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:29:46pm |
re: #96 Zimriel
Anyone else having issues with Youtube?
I had this urge to play the Unforgettable Fire video, and it keeps freezing up. But, LGF is running fine...
Youtube has always sucked for me, but it has been sucking more than usual lately. Google and Google Earth have been cruddy for me too. I'm beginning to suspect a problem with Flash.
| 110 |
Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:29:57pm |
re: #34 Ringo the Gringo
While we're on the subject: Bruce Bawer has a new book coming out in a few weeks.
For anyone who hasn't read Mr. Bawer's While Europe Slept, I highly recommend it.
| 111 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:36pm |
re: #101 JacksonTn
What is this ... somebody tell me wtf this is ... has Obama lost his friggin mind ...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
why is he throwing gasoline on the fire ... why! I cannot stand him ...
Guh. This is what happens when America elects a leftist. Welcome to the brave new world.
| 112 |
Van Helsing Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:30:45pm |
re: #109 Van Helsing
Misseed the bit where I said happy shiny look over there.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:24pm |
As an aside, so to speak, I don't pay much attention to Huffington, being on the other side of the country, but what I still remember vividly is her constant appearances on the talk shows (politely greeted) as the defender of the Serbian mass murderers during the Balkan war.
One might think that this doesn't make her a poster child of the left who pretend they don't like mass murderers, but it sure makes her a despicable piece of crap in my mind.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:32:29pm |
re: #101 JacksonTn
What is this ... somebody tell me wtf this is ... has Obama lost his friggin mind ...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
why is he throwing gasoline on the fire ... why! I cannot stand him ...
The way I say it they are discrediting and smearing a lot of the efforts to stem the tide of terrorist attacks against the USA in the last 8 years. The message from Obama is that WE were wrong. It as if though he is saying we should toss these effort into the trash while using it as propaganda for political gain.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:09pm |
re: #101 JacksonTn
What is this ... somebody tell me wtf this is ... has Obama lost his friggin mind ...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
why is he throwing gasoline on the fire ... why! I cannot stand him ...
He's throwing a bone to his base.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:18pm |
re: #104 Pawn of the Oppressor
Because "Palin" is synonymous with "freakshow" on the left side of the aisle. Moose-hunting? Lots of kids with goofy names? Strange accent? Loud and scary? Republicans like her? Goes to church, and a strange one at that? You see how she hits the left-wing freakshow checklist, right? She is all the things that conservatives like, which is all the things that non-conservatives love to hate.
I'm not sure who would be an equivalent figure for the non-leftists of the world. Ted Kennedy, maybe? Or that fat mustachioed guy from England who hangs out with Hezbollah... Forgot his name.
The fact that liberals freak out at the mention of Sarah Palin, says more about them than it does about her.
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Macker Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:33:22pm |
re: #30 pingjockey
You need to get out more. Or look at Zombies Folsom Street Fair pics, It looks like a Gay Pride parade/demonstration, in your face bullshit they pull.
Thanks for mentioning that and making my night go south....
/
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JacksonTn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:25pm |
re: #116 Pawn of the Oppressor
He's throwing a bone to his base.
PotO ... yeah, we are all getting a bone alright ... how long has he been in office? ... I swear it seems like a year already ...
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:37pm |
re: #101 JacksonTn
The photos are apparently not as shocking as the photographs from the Abu Ghraib investigation that became a lasting symbol of U.S. mistakes in Iraq. But some show military service members intimidating or threatening detainees by pointing weapons at them. Military officers have been court-martialed for threatening detainees at gunpoint."This will constitute visual proof that, unlike the Bush administration's claim, the abuse was not confined to Abu Ghraib and was not aberrational," said Amrit Singh, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, which obtained the agreement as part of a long-running legal battle for documents related to Bush-era anti-terror policies.
If these 44 pictures are not as shocking as the famous ones, they would not have even made the news in 2004. Obama's just using them to stoke up more hate against Bush and the Republicans.
And to do it now when Pakistan is about to become Khmer Rouge II... this does not help the national interest one bit.
Just in time for yawm al-jum'at! I hope no-one here lives near any mosques, things could get unpleasant after tomorrow evening's rant...
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:34:56pm |
re: #119 JacksonTn
PotO ... yeah, we are all getting a bone alright ... how long has he been in office? ... I swear it seems like a year already ...
100 days come the 29th.
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:30pm |
re: #119 JacksonTn
PotO ... yeah, we are all getting a bone alright ... how long has he been in office? ... I swear it seems like a year already ...
Believe it or not, we've still got at least 1,367 days of 0bama left (no pun intended).
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:35:41pm |
re: #117 Alouette
The fact that liberals freak out at the mention of Sarah Palin, says more about them than it does about her.
Why do we keep hearing about Palin?
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:37:35pm |
re: #123 Naso Tang
Why do we keep hearing about Palin?
To keep people thinking "well, this Presidency isn't all I hoped it would be, but at LEAST we didn't elect THAT bozo"
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:38:21pm |
re: #124 Zimriel
To keep people thinking "well, this Presidency isn't all I hoped it would be, but at LEAST we didn't elect THAT bozo"
Despite the fact that 0bama has proven to be the bozoiest president we could have.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:38:25pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
The way I say it they are discrediting and smearing a lot of the efforts to stem the tide of terrorist attacks against the USA in the last 8 years. The message from Obama is that WE were wrong. It as if though he is saying we should toss these effort into the trash while using it as propaganda for political gain.
This action is stupid its hard to know where to begin. Those photos will be used against us for years! As Mandy is so fond of saying: Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama!
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:39:29pm |
re: #119 JacksonTn
PotO ... yeah, we are all getting a bone alright ... how long has he been in office? ... I swear it seems like a year already ...
I'm just wondering what the body count will be when his new chickens come home to roost. How many are dead because Carter sat there with his thumb up his rear when the Ayatollah took Iran? We're at something like 3K domestic dead for Clinton's skirt-chasing while Al Queda got off and running in the 90's. How much is Obama's "America BAD!" routine going to cost us?
Peace is not the absence of war, but the presence of justice... Unfortunately, this clown thinks justice should only go one way.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:42:09pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
This action is stupid its hard to know where to begin. Those photos will be used against us for years! As Mandy is so fond of saying: Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama!
The Prethident of the United Thtateth ith a thimply dethpicable leftitht!
*wipes monitor*
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:42:35pm |
re: #124 Zimriel
To keep people thinking "well, this Presidency isn't all I hoped it would be, but at LEAST we didn't elect THAT bozo"
I don't think that is the gist of what I was commenting on. I wouldn't call her a Bozo by any stretch, but I am at a loss why so many seem to think that she had/has presidential potential.
(Apologies to offended Lizards)
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Aviator Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:43:06pm |
re: #128 Spare O'Lake
The Prethident of the United Thtateth ith a thimply dethpicable leftitht!
*wipes monitor*
Why is Barney Frank mad at the One?
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:43:53pm |
re: #129 Naso Tang
I don't think that is the gist of what I was commenting on. I wouldn't call her a Bozo by any stretch, but I am at a loss why so many seem to think that she had/has presidential potential.
(Apologies to offended Lizards)
I'm not calling her a clown either. Just trying to think in the way of a "moderate" who voted Obama because they didn't like Palin...
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:44:15pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
This action is stupid its hard to know where to begin. Those photos will be used against us for years! As Mandy is so fond of saying: Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama!
It will be used for years both nationally and internationally. You know, I'm trying to "remain calm" but this is such an outrage. Obama is insulting the efforts of the previous 8 years that kept us safe. What purpose does it serve to release the memos, threaten prosecution, and now release 44 photos?
This is as someone has suggested an attempt to "throw a bone" at his base. But it's also a political move to smear the Bush administration and thus the Republican Party. It is a political move no doubt endorsed by the political hacks Emanuel, Axelrod and Dean.
And what of the possiblity of congressional hearing which may come? Reid is "looking into it" and Pelosi is game. Once that begins it will turn into a media and political circus once again motivated to not only bash Bush but to insult the efforts of our efforts to stem the tide of terrorism.
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:44:54pm |
Interview with filip dewinter:
DEWINTER: There's a big difference. We play at home. On our own field.
[Interviewer]- Whoever is born as a Moroccan Belgian also plays at home.
DEWINTER: That foreigner doesn't play at home. That foreigner is a guest here, should act like a guest. There are many guests who stay longer, but they are still guests. They must understand..
[Interviewer]- Whoever is born here is not a guest. That is their land just as well as it's yours
DEWINTER: I always think that a cat born in a fish shop is not a fish just because of that - to express it plastically. It takes maybe a few generation before people are completely assimilated. But that is the intention in the end: Be a Fleming among Flemish. But than we should also make an effort on our side to make it clear to them . And we don't do that
Charming.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:45:06pm |
re: #129 Naso Tang
I don't think that is the gist of what I was commenting on. I wouldn't call her a Bozo by any stretch, but I am at a loss why so many seem to think that she had/has presidential potential.
(Apologies to offended Lizards)
Could it have something to do with the fact that during the campaign she outdrew the candidate by about 10 to 1?
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:46:31pm |
I think we are going to have to replace "positively Rovian" with "positively Rahmian"... This will take up all the attention until Sunday, so we need to watch the Friday "trash dump" from the WH closely.
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Zimriel Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:00pm |
re: #132 Gus 802
And what of the possiblity of congressional hearing which may come? Reid is "looking into it" and Pelosi is game. Once that begins it will turn into a media and political circus once again motivated to not only bash Bush but to insult the efforts of our efforts to stem the tide of terrorism.
I feel a meltdown coming on... mine :^(
I'll just leave it at this - if we're going to be one of those countries in which losing elections means reputations dragged through the mud, lawyers accused of criminal acts for drafting an opinion, officials thrown in jail for following the law as written at the time and in order to save what may have been the whole city of Los Angeles -
- if we're going to be one of those countries, then we won't be able to have an honest election again. Ever. The cost of losing will be too great.
And that's just sad.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:35pm |
re: #133 Sharmuta
Interview with filip dewinter:
Charming.
And Spenser still swears that they aren't racists or nazis.
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researchok Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:40pm |
re: #135 Thanos
I think we are going to have to replace "positively Rovian" with "positively Rahmian"...
Line of the day.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:43pm |
OT, but I'm sitting here freezing on a late April night after a cold April day in the coastal Mid-Atlantic region, but dammit, heating season is over and I'd rather freeze than burn anymore oil.
Global warming!
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:49:54pm |
re: #134 Spare O'Lake
Could it have something to do with the fact that during the campaign she outdrew the candidate by about 10 to 1?
Not sure what you mean, being somewhat statistically challenged this late evening. I first thought she was a great choice too, being a McCain supporter, until after I heard her speak two or three times.
I may be old fashioned, but I expect presidential potentials to impress me more than I do myself.
Nuff said. You have your vote, I have mine.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:15pm |
re: #137 ArchangelMichael
Spencer... PIMF
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JacksonTn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:20pm |
re: #136 Zimriel
I feel a meltdown coming on... mine :^(
I'll just leave it at this - if we're going to be one of those countries in which losing elections means reputations dragged through the mud, lawyers accused of criminal acts for drafting an opinion, officials thrown in jail for following the law as written at the time and in order to save what may have been the whole city of Los Angeles -
- if we're going to be one of those countries, then we won't be able to have an honest election again. Ever. The cost of losing will be too great.
And that's just sad.
Zim ... they don't plan on losing ... for generations ... numbers ... it will all be about warm bodies ... however they can get them into the country and to the voting booth ...
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:50:45pm |
re: #137 ArchangelMichael
And Spenser still swears that they aren't racists or nazis.
Additionally- neither he nor pamela seemed to want to promote that interview.
Gee- I *wonder* why?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:51:11pm |
re: #132 Gus 802
It will be used for years both nationally and internationally. You know, I'm trying to "remain calm" but this is such an outrage. Obama is insulting the efforts of the previous 8 years that kept us safe. What purpose does it serve to release the memos, threaten prosecution, and now release 44 photos?
This is as someone has suggested an attempt to "throw a bone" at his base. But it's also a political move to smear the Bush administration and thus the Republican Party. It is a political move no doubt endorsed by the political hacks Emanuel, Axelrod and Dean.
And what of the possiblity of congressional hearing which may come? Reid is "looking into it" and Pelosi is game. Once that begins it will turn into a media and political circus once again motivated to not only bash Bush but to insult the efforts of our efforts to stem the tide of terrorism.
We need to attack squarely into this one. We need to call this disloyal, because it is. If this how Obama wants to govern, we should not help him in anything. We should make all-out opposition to him our goal. With his actions this month, he has shown he hates his own country.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:51:30pm |
Defense Department to Release Photos Showing Detainee Treatment in Iraq, Afghanistan
I wonder if this is the stuff that Rumsfeld, Cheney, or someone, called "Radioactive"?
The Department of Defense -- on the heels of the firestorm over the release of Bush-era memos on CIA interrogation techniques -- said Thursday it plans to make public at least 44 photos depicting potentially abusive treatment of detainees at prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The decision to release the photos was announced Thursday in a letter filed in a federal court in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union in 2004.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:54:23pm |
re: #139 Cato the Elder
OT, but I'm sitting here freezing on a late April night after a cold April day in the coastal Mid-Atlantic region, but dammit, heating season is over and I'd rather freeze than burn anymore oil.
Global warming!
If it makes you feel any better I had to turn on the house AC today...
OT: Boyd breaks with Dem Colleagues on Budget Conf Committee:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--One of three House Democrats tasked with negotiating a final congressional budget resolution broke with his House colleagues Thursday, saying he doesn't believe a controversial fast-track procedure for health care and education policy reform should be included in the final agreement.Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Fla., said that he doesn't think the procedure, known as reconciliation, should be included in the budget agreement that will be finalized in the coming days.
Reconciliation allows legislation to be approved by a simple majority in the Senate rather than the 60-vote ...
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:55:10pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
We need to attack squarely into this one. We need to call this disloyal, because it is. If this how Obama wants to govern, we should not help him in anything. We should make all-out opposition to him our goal. With his actions this month, he has shown he hates his own country.
It is extremely disloyal to the office. One also has to take into consideration that the war on terror is still ongoing. The trial for the Gitmo detainees are yet to come. They are literally releasing information during both an ongoing conflict and legal proceedings. It's treasonous since we are still engaged in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan. The enemy will only use this against us.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:56:04pm |
Guess I was late to the game on my last post.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:56:50pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
It's in response to an FOIA, he was going to have to release them sometime... it's the timing you have to wonder about, which is why we need to watch the Friday PM trash dumps and other things.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:57:40pm |
re: #140 Naso Tang
Not sure what you mean, being somewhat statistically challenged this late evening. I first thought she was a great choice too, being a McCain supporter, until after I heard her speak two or three times.
I may be old fashioned, but I expect presidential potentials to impress me more than I do myself.
Actually I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell for 2012.
But you asked why people think she has a shot and I gave you my take - she was extremely popular during the campaign, moreso than McCain himself.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:58:18pm |
Time for me to get some sleeps, we have a MPLS cut early tomorrow. G'nite all
Geocities Closing
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:58:31pm |
The Internet Archive shows The Brussels Journal on the WSJ blog roll from November 20, 2006 untilre: #147 Gus 802
It is extremely disloyal to the office. One also has to take into consideration that the war on terror is still ongoing.
On the contrary, as Mark Steyn said today (substituting for Rush Limbaugh on EIB, how cool is that?) the 0bama Administration seems intent on declaring that the War on Terror ended with the Bush Administration.
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:59:14pm |
Oops, sorry for that bloop getting into the text field.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 8:59:47pm |
re: #149 Thanos
It's in response to an FOIA, he was going to have to release them sometime... it's the timing you have to wonder about, which is why we need to watch the Friday PM trash dumps and other things.
Can an executive act stop the FOIA in this matter? If so it should have been.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:00:06pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
It is extremely disloyal to the office. One also has to take into consideration that the war on terror is still ongoing. The trial for the Gitmo detainees are yet to come. They are literally releasing information during both an ongoing conflict and legal proceedings. It's treasonous since we are still engaged in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan. The enemy will only use this against us.
Agreed. Any thoughts on what our response should be? Not pushing, just asking.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:01:27pm |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Any thoughts on what our response should be? Not pushing, just asking.
An ad campaign funded by the GOP? Or perhaps a full page ad in the Washington Post. Editorials and write ups.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:01:40pm |
re: #150 Spare O'Lake
Actually I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell for 2012.
But you asked why people think she has a shot and I gave you my take - she was extremely popular during the campaign, moreso than McCain himself.
Yeah, well, if everybody was really smart they would all be here on LGF.
Getting late. Goodnight.
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JacksonTn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:01:48pm |
re: #154 Gus 802
Can an executive act stop the FOIA in this matter? If so it should have been.
Gus801 ... who asks for these things? ... what motive does someone have to ask for these? ... and I am still wondering why people even keep pictures like this ... like the AG pictures too ... at what point does the security of our country trump the release of these pictures ... I guess that is a real slippery slope ... I realize that ... but I just don't get it ...
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:04:23pm |
It is very hard to believe that O will actually allow prosecutions of former administration policy advisors, lawyers or elected politicians.
Professional courtesy and honour among thieves dictates otherwise./
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Sharmuta Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:05:21pm |
There is one last point I'd like to make tonight about the euro-fascist debate, and that is the very nature of the arguments presented.
On LGF's part, facts have been presented. On the part of the euro-fascists and their apologists- attacks have been launched. Immature, classless, and completely lacking in any civility and decency. And more- they're not even a defense of the parties involved, merely a shooting of the messenger. It's a logic FAIL of epic proportions.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:06:39pm |
re: #158 JacksonTn
Gus801 ... who asks for these things? ... what motive does someone have to ask for these? ... and I am still wondering why people even keep pictures like this ... like the AG pictures too ... at what point does the security of our country trump the release of these pictures ... I guess that is a real slippery slope ... I realize that ... but I just don't get it ...
I don't know. The only thing I can think of is that the motivation behind Obama is to attempt a "confessional" of sorts to lay things out to the international community. He probably thinks it will be a cathartic move for the betterment of America and that once he shows the world what transpired during the previous 8 years that will result in better relations with terrorist states.
Just a wild guess.
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formercorpsman Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:06:58pm |
re: #101 JacksonTn
This is to damage all of the agencies Holder is looking to throttle.
Very calibrated.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:08:21pm |
re: #152 Dar ul Harb
The Internet Archive shows The Brussels Journal on the WSJ blog roll from November 20, 2006 until
On the contrary, as Mark Steyn said today (substituting for Rush Limbaugh on EIB, how cool is that?) the 0bama Administration seems intent on declaring that the War on Terror ended with the Bush Administration.
Right. The war on terror has "ended." It's been "re-branded" an taken a turn to the left.
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JacksonTn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:08:33pm |
re: #162 Gus 802
I don't know. The only thing I can think of is that the motivation behind Obama is to attempt a "confessional" of sorts to lay things out to the international community. He probably thinks it will be a cathartic move for the betterment of America and that once he shows the world what transpired during the previous 8 years that will result in better relations with terrorist states.
Just a wild guess.
G802 ... if Obama wants "cathartic" or "purging" ... I suggest he take a high colonic ... this is not the time for putting these photographs out ...
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formercorpsman Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:09:38pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
This also dovetails with him thanking Chavez for not blaming him for our actions when he was 3 months old.
This shit is dangerous.
I see mohammed cartoons all over again.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:09:48pm |
re: #166 JacksonTn
G802 ... if Obama wants "cathartic" or "purging" ... I suggest he take a high colonic ... this is not the time for putting these photographs out ...
Or perhaps join a drum circle.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:12:18pm |
re: #167 formercorpsman
This also dovetails with him thanking Chavez for not blaming him for our actions when he was 3 months old.
This shit is dangerous.
I see mohammed cartoons all over again.
In other words Obama is not seeing himself as the Chief Executive of the United States but as an individual. His comment about amounts to "don't blame me because I was 3 months old when that happened" does not sound like the words of a President but a narcissistic leftist.
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pegcity Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:13:28pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
yeah but look at the alternative a shudder 72 year old could be president
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:15:13pm |
re: #171 pegcity
yeah but look at the alternative a shudder 72 year old could be president
I'd take a 92 year old as president at this point. Given that he wouldn't be an self-centered left-wing apologist like Obama.
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:19:59pm |
re: #171 pegcity
yeah but look at the alternative a shudder 72 year old could be president
So? When Reagan left office, he was 77.
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VegasRick Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:25:24pm |
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hous bin pharteen Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:26:55pm |
With Obama giving G.E. mucho deniro due to the economy and NBC and MSNBC and those friends being such Obamas cheerleaders, we are looking at crap that makes Watergate look like a High School prank. And all that money comes from YOUR paycheck. It is not surprising it comes from Chicago politics. Whats next? Are they going to dig up Al Capone and run him in the next election.
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:31:11pm |
re: #175 hous bin pharteen
With Obama giving G.E. mucho deniro due to the economy and NBC and MSNBC and those friends being such Obamas cheerleaders, we are looking at crap that makes Watergate look like a High School prank. And all that money comes from YOUR paycheck. It is not surprising it comes from Chicago politics. Whats next? Are they going to dig up Al Capone and run him in the next election.
Or, put him in BATF or the DEA.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:32:23pm |
re: #162 Gus 802 Hey Gus, I think it's a combination (note:NOT a conspiracy!) whereby the ACLU is trying to prove that it is relevent and Obama/Holder want to please their Base and so are willing to throw it a bone, no matter what it may cost the U.S. Intelligence Services or to keep America Safe.
I had a lot of disagreements with President Bush, but I never for one moment doubted his sincerity in defending America, nor the fact that he was successful in doing so.
If Obama actually has some sort of strategy in place to defend us, I'd sure as hell like to know what it is.
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hous bin pharteen Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:33:01pm |
re: #176 MandyManners
"Weakened at Bernies part duex"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:34:10pm |
re: #176 MandyManners
Or, put him in BATF or the DEA.
Fun fact: Al Capone's eldest brother, Vincenzo (called Jim by the family), was actually a Prohibition Agent.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:35:39pm |
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
/as usual, Michael Ramirez absolutely nails it to the wall
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:36:40pm |
re: #177 realwest
I am wondering about his plans or lack thereof regarding the taliban advancing on Islamabad.
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hous bin pharteen Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:36:53pm |
Does Walmart sell Geiger counters? If I go to a NJ Devils game, I may need one.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:38:55pm |
re: #177 realwest
Hey Gus, I think it's a combination (note:NOT a conspiracy!) whereby the ACLU is trying to prove that it is relevent and Obama/Holder want to please their Base and so are willing to throw it a bone, no matter what it may cost the U.S. Intelligence Services or to keep America Safe.
I had a lot of disagreements with President Bush, but I never for one moment doubted his sincerity in defending America, nor the fact that he was successful in doing so.
If Obama actually has some sort of strategy in place to defend us, I'd sure as hell like to know what it is.
The only strategy I've seen from Obama thus far amounts to photo-ops and rhetorical advances to antagonistic and undemocratic nations. This also includes that video he had made for the "Iranian people." You can almost say it's an MTV strategy in which he thinks if he presents himself as a cowering smiley faced American to our enemies they will love us.
Right now the focus has shifted to these enhanced interrogation techniques and former bush officials. The terrorist villain is off the radar and the message from the Obama administration is the United States played a villainous role in the war on terror. Perhaps that is part of his strategy which is as I stated previously a confessional (which also has political value for the Democrats) which will help improve the perception of the United States across the world.
Frankly they're taking their eye off the ball.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:39:30pm |
re: #170 Gus 802 Yep. It's almost as if - to Obama - there is NO U.S. History (other than, of course, slavery) that existed prior to his election. This of course plays into his meme of an America that needs to apologize to the World. He doesn't recognize the history of WWI or WWII or of the simple fact that America, as comparatively young as it is, has GIFTED more of its national treasury to other nations in the world than all other nations in the history of the World combined.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:40:32pm |
re: #167 formercorpsman
Um, iirc, that was Daniel Ortega, not Hugo Chavez.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:42:38pm |
re: #185 realwest
Yep. It's almost as if - to Obama - there is NO U.S. History (other than, of course, slavery) that existed prior to his election. This of course plays into his meme of an America that needs to apologize to the World. He doesn't recognize the history of WWI or WWII or of the simple fact that America, as comparatively young as it is, has GIFTED more of its national treasury to other nations in the world than all other nations in the history of the World combined.
Yes. Or "leftist" modern history which focuses on the "bad" actions rather then the good. Basically a negative history.
I can see Obama going to North Korea. Would his response be "don't look at me I wasn't born until 1961 which is well before the Korean War?" Then he'll proceed to release confidential documents as a form of appeasement to the North Koreans.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:43:46pm |
re: #187 Gus 802
Yes. Or "leftist" modern history which focuses on the "bad" actions rather then the good. Basically a negative history.
I can see Obama going to North Korea. Would his response be "don't look at me I wasn't born until 1961 which is well after the Korean War" Then he'll proceed to release confidential documents as a form of appeasement to the North Koreans.
Oops.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:48:39pm |
BTW -
Nancy Pelosi wants a "Truth Commission" formed on the waterboarding memos.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
Stalinism comes to America.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:49:41pm |
re: #184 Gus 802
"Frankly they're taking their eye off the ball." Or, since I have frequently compared Obama to a three card monte street hustler, he wants US to take our eyes off the ball.
I knew from his campaigning that he was a socialist and feared that since socialism has failed in every single nation in which it has been tried - indeed it's not too much of a stretch to say that without the United States bearing virtually ALL of the burden of defending Freedom around the world, most European nations could never have afforded to try socialism the way they have. They would have had to spend waaaay too much of their respective GNP's on defense to allow anything close to 40% (I believe its higher in France) of their populations on the dole.
BUT, I was still willing to give our new President the benefit of the doubt; he is, after all, OUR President too. I rooted for America to win because I hoped that once Obama was actually IN the White House, his eyes would open and he would see what America is all about and would moderate his stances. I'm sorry that I've never been so wrong in my life.
Frankly I'm still rooting for America, but now it's in spite of President Obama, not because of him.
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countrygurl Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:49:45pm |
re: #152 Dar ul Harb
On the contrary, as Mark Steyn said today (substituting for Rush Limbaugh on EIB, how cool is that?) the 0bama Administration seems intent on declaring that the War on Terror ended with the Bush Administration.
It ended because The ONE surrendered.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:51:29pm |
re: #192 realwest
"Frankly they're taking their eye off the ball." Or, since I have frequently compared Obama to a three card monte street hustler, he wants US to take our eyes off the ball.
I knew from his campaigning that he was a socialist and feared that since socialism has failed in every single nation in which it has been tried - indeed it's not too much of a stretch to say that without the United States bearing virtually ALL of the burden of defending Freedom around the world, most European nations could never have afforded to try socialism the way they have. They would have had to spend waaaay too much of their respective GNP's on defense to allow anything close to 40% (I believe its higher in France) of their populations on the dole.
BUT, I was still willing to give our new President the benefit of the doubt; he is, after all, OUR President too. I rooted for America to win because I hoped that once Obama was actually IN the White House, his eyes would open and he would see what America is all about and would moderate his stances. I'm sorry that I've never been so wrong in my life.
Frankly I'm still rooting for America, but now it's in spite of President Obama, not because of him.
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as well. That's completely out the window at this point and things will only get worse under Obama.
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hous bin pharteen Thu, Apr 23, 2009 9:53:30pm |
If I recall correctly, we water-boarded each other during army training SIR!
Sleeping on frozen ground with a wet uniform and an old sleeping bag was much worse. But it may be worse now. A hear the old sand colored BDU's are going to be replaced with pink ones.
Good night folks.
Army training tomorrow!
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:03:59pm |
re: #191 karmic_inquisitor
Hey karmic_inquisitor - from your link:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday endorsed the establishment of a formal truth commission to investigate Bush administration anti-terrorism policies, including an examination of former top Justice Department lawyers who crafted the legal justifications for what critics say was torture.
Such a probe could target UC Berkeley law Professor John Yoo, a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush Justice Department who was instrumental in crafting the interrogation memoranda, and his former boss, Jay Bybee, now a judge on the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.Pelosi's endorsement follows President Obama's signal Tuesday that he was open to the idea. Obama's shift, in tandem with last week's release by the administration of past memos describing brutal interrogation techniques on terror suspects, has touched a match to the seething controversy over whether there should be a public or legal accounting for Bush administration policies on torture and detention.
The Obama administration had initially downplayed any suggestion of prosecutions, provoking an outcry from the left. Now the outcry is coming from the right, with even moderate Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania warning that such investigations, without evidence of criminal acts, smack of a banana republic.
In a sit-down with reporters in her Capitol Hill conference room, Pelosi, a San Francisco Democrat, said the advantage of such a commission would be that "it removes all doubt that how we protect the American people is in a values-based way." She also said she knew several years ago that Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County), was overheard on a wiretap, a controversy that erupted early this week.Liberal Democrats have been pressing the issue for months with little traction, given the Obama administration's reluctance and fierce Republican resistance, but now are re-energized. Republicans moved to dash what they called a retrospective tribunal that would unfairly target officials who followed legal guidance at the time and intimidate officials going forward.
A furor has also erupted over Obama National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair's statements last week that "high-value information" came from the interrogations, indicating divisions within the administration.
[emphasis realwest]
Even if they do investigate what did PELOSI know and WHEN did she know it, this is nothing more than an attempt to mug Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et.al., it is also, I believe, an attempt to totally discredit our intelligence agencies and our military. And that move is indeed a calculated one, although other than political payback, I can fathom no reason to do that.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:14:33pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
historical documents expert at auction house Mullocks
Heh. Idiots. If they were real they would have sold and Sotheby's or Bonhams. Nazi assholes paying for fake nazi garbage.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:14:47pm |
re: #200 gmsc
Sharpless 44
;)
Hey. Has he released his Columbia Memos Records and Harvard Memos Records yet?
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:16:36pm |
re: #182 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey there PBJ! I don't think Obama has any plans to deal with that situation. None. And he won't have any plans to deal with it after the next few days either.
Of Course, Islamabad ISN'T the big deal city the MSM would have you believe; it's mostly unoccupied except when the locals have to get together - frequently with emissaries from the real government, but still what's poor Obama to do?
He CAMAPAINED on the idea of INVADING Pakistan should we need to, to capture or kill the Taliban. This conveniently overlooked the fact that Pakistan does have nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems to take those nukes to almost anyplace in India AND has at least one mutual defense treaty with China.
He and we are fooked, I'm afraid.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:16:48pm |
re: #197 hous bin pharteen
If I recall correctly, we water-boarded each other during army training SIR!
[Video] Sleeping on frozen ground with a wet uniform and an old sleeping bag was much worse. But it may be worse now. A hear the old sand colored BDU's are going to be replaced with pink ones.
Good night folks.
Army training tomorrow!
We were, what is now called "waterboarded", during our SERE training. It was intensely uncomfortable but hardly qualifying as torture. On the list of ten, I found several items that were routinely administered to soldiers through the course of their training.
Is it to late to file a complaint with the UN? ;-)>
/
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Idle Drifter Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:17:42pm |
re: #198 realwest
What is motivating Pelosi and Crew to push for so-called Truth Commissions other than reelection in their own districts? I can't think of anything else other than that. I may chalk it up to a case of drinking the stupid.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:19:07pm |
re: #204 Outrider
Hi Outrider - um, what "On the list of ten" are you talking about?
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:19:24pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
How appropriate they should do that this week. Not only because this week is the week of Hitler's birthday (April 20th), but it was this week in 1983 (April 22, 1983, to be precise) that Der Stern claimed that they had found Adolf Hitler's diaries.
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:20:04pm |
re: #202 Gus 802
Hey. Has he released his Columbia
MemosRecords and HarvardMemosRecords yet?
Not that I know of.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:20:20pm |
re: #198 realwest
Hey karmic_inquisitor - from your link:
[emphasis realwest]
Even if they do investigate what did PELOSI know and WHEN did she know it, this is nothing more than an attempt to mug Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et.al., it is also, I believe, an attempt to totally discredit our intelligence agencies and our military. And that move is indeed a calculated one, although other than political payback, I can fathom no reason to do that.
I can think of a reason: He wants to weaken America. He does not like of having a strong and independent defense. He wants us to be weakened so the nation can be remade into his preferred collectivist society.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:20:47pm |
Robert Stacy McCain, who writes for the disgusting European racist journal "Takimag," is now joining Robert Spencer in attacking me for pointing out the fascist associations of the "Pro Koln" group.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:21:17pm |
re: #206 realwest
Hi Outrider - um, what "On the list of ten" are you talking about?
the ten listed "tortures" advocated by the CIA in their memo.
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SmellyMarxMovement Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:24:12pm |
re: #191 karmic_inquisitor
BTW -
Nancy Pelosi wants a "Truth Commission" formed on the waterboarding memos.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
Stalinism comes to America.
Just makes you wonder what the CIA or NSA has on Soros or his "stock puppets". This thievery of the American political system would defy logic if not for the obvious symbiotic relationship between this administration and the MSM.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:24:14pm |
re: #210 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain, who writes for the disgusting European racist journal "Takimag," is now joining Robert Spencer in attacking me for pointing out the fascist assocations of the "Pro Koln" group.
Damn son, do you ever feel picked on by the world at large? ;-)>
You continue to march, you're doing alright.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:25:10pm |
re: #210 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain, who writes for the disgusting European racist journal "Takimag," is now joining Robert Spencer in attacking me for pointing out the fascist associations of the "Pro Koln" group.
Fools, both of them. I had though that R.S. McCain would understand and believe in freedom enough to know the perils of making common cause with those who would destroy freedom. It now is clear that he does not know or does not care. Foolish, crazy, sick.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:26:14pm |
re: #205 Idle Drifter
Well I think you'd have to break down that crew somewhat. What is motivating Pelosi, near as I can tell, is sheer evil - she wants to KILL the Republicans (not literally, politically) - she's gonna get re-elected from her district the way a Kennedy would in Massachusetts, so she's NOT doing it for her own re-election chances. Maybe she wants to show that the Speaker of the House can make things happen. Strangely enough, I think the only real brake on her political ambition/greed/need is Pesident Obama. There will be NO HEARINGS, NO INVESTIGATIONS by Holder or by any congressionally mandated commission if Obama says "NO". What bothers me more than anything else is that so far at least Obama is saying "go for it."
Why HE would want to do that I have no idea - he'll only be President until 2016 (only being a relative term here) and the same crap will be pulled on him when he's out of office. But he is INCREDIBILY IMMATURE and that fact may not yet have sunk in.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:28:02pm |
re: #211 Outrider
Duh, ok I'm extra-stupid tonight; are those ten set out anywhere - can you list them or link to them?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:28:37pm |
Night all, I have my usual early morning meeting tomorrow.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:31:44pm |
re: #210 Charles
Well all I can say is "Charles, you know you're over the target when you keep getting flak." It will NOT surprise me at all to see BJ have an attack article on you (again) very soon and "brave" lionheart attack you as well. You keep shining that bright light Charles and they'll keep trying to kill the messenger because the messenger is telling the truth and there is NO WAY they can dodge the truth you serve to them.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:32:42pm |
re: #216 realwest
Duh, ok I'm extra-stupid tonight; are those ten set out anywhere - can you list them or link to them?
I am sorry. You can go to my blog (Obama releases Interrogation techniques secrets) or so as not to be pimping you can go to one of the sources I used: Ten tortures
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:34:14pm |
re: #207 gmsc WHOA! I are impress! Great thinking there, although I suppose Hitler's birthday always gives some of these hard core Nazi's a hard on. Probably the only thing that does.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:34:18pm |
re: #210 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain, who writes for the disgusting European racist journal "Takimag," [...]
I always wondered about Taki. There seems to lots of what I call bleed-through among the self described "conservatives" and various unsavory groups, as can be seen at the Von Mises site, etc. I wonder how many self-proclaiming "conservatives" understand how influenced several of their favorite writers have become by those once considered ultra-rightists, anarchists, or just plain anti-social.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:36:09pm |
re: #222 freetoken
I always wondered about Taki. There seems to lots of what I call bleed-through among the self described "conservatives" and various unsavory groups, as can be seen at the Von Mises site, etc. I wonder how many self-proclaiming "conservatives" understand how influenced several of their favorite writers have become by those once considered ultra-rightists, anarchists, or just plain anti-social.
What is a "self proclaimed "Conservative""?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:43:28pm |
re: #223 Outrider
Those who call themselves "conservative".
There is no universally accepted definition of "conservative", and perhaps there can't be (as it is locale dependent to some extent.)
I also use that because in the blogosphere the past few years there has been lots of heat generated by some who lament that so-and-so is not a "true" conservative. (We saw lots of that with McCain.)
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Idle Drifter Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:45:00pm |
re: #215 realwest
I'll have to agree with you there on Pelosi that it's not about reelection for her but a power play. President Obama may be taking too many ques from the Pelosi and Reid. It could be affirned by Obama giving the "Go" signal on such commissions and trials. Then again he might feel untouchable and loved for letting such foolish things happen. History could be on the fast track to repeating itself.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:48:52pm |
re: #220 OutriderAre you shitting me? Leaving waterboarding to one side - and maybe the "deadly insect" those are all fairly common interrogation techniques (like sleep derprivation, face slapping NOT hard enough to hurt but to surprise and shock the prisioner). Hell they don't even use the one I suffered from the worst in the 8thSFG Recondo training: forced to kneel on a stick of bamboo, with my arms tied tightly behind me (usually with a bamboo rod inserted between my arms) - the pain of which was FAR WORSE than any of at least 8 of those 10. I've never been waterboarded, but - at the same place - had my head forced face first into a bucket of water and held there for what seemed like eternity. I can understand the complaints about waterboarding that lasted more than 10 seconds or so, and if the insect appeared deadly, that woulda given me a heart attack, but I respectfully submit THAT WHAT The Ten tortures used were not unusual nor, on reflection of my own experiences, really inhumane either.
BTW, my kneecaps still have "bursitis" like lumps on 'em.
Crap, the way the LEFT is dealing with this makes it sound like we used electrodes to genitals, made prisioners stand barefoot on a water soaked floor while a little electricity was touched to the floor, and that sort of thing.
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:49:03pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
Critics say they're fake, pointing out the fact that they were painted on official Dukes of Hazzard stationery.
(OK, who's old enough and geeky enough to get that reference?)
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:52:30pm |
re: #210 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain, who writes for the disgusting European racist journal "Takimag," is now joining Robert Spencer in attacking me for point out the fascist assocations of the "Pro Koln" group.
White supremacist Robert Stacy McCain is so dense he fails to address the backgrounds of Manfred Rouhs (whose background is with the NPD) and to an even great extent the de facto neo-Nazi Axel Reitz.
He blow off these two individuals as something that the Germans evaluate:
Given the threat we face here in America, I'm willing to let the Germans evaluate how much of a fascist threat Rouhs and Reitz pose to Germany, and I'm willing to let Pamela Geller decide which conferences she does and does not attend.
How much of fascist threat? Can he be any more flippant regarding the background of these two miscreants? That in itself reveal a great deal about Robert Stacy McCain than anything else. In the end his diatribe is a weak vehicle for a feeble claim that Geller is sacrificing herself for immigration reform.
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realwest Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:53:57pm |
Well y'all it's been interesting to say the least tonight. But I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:54:51pm |
re: #229 realwest
Well y'all it's been interesting to say the least tonight. But I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.Good night, all.
Good night RW.
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:55:24pm |
re: #229 realwest
Well y'all it's been interesting to say the least tonight. But I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.Good night, all.
G'Nite realwest!
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:58:15pm |
re: #226 realwest
Are you shitting me? Leaving waterboarding to one side - and maybe the "deadly insect" those are all fairly common interrogation techniques (like sleep derprivation, face slapping NOT hard enough to hurt but to surprise and shock the prisioner). Hell they don't even use the one I suffered from the worst in the 8thSFG Recondo training: forced to kneel on a stick of bamboo, with my arms tied tightly behind me (usually with a bamboo rod inserted between my arms) - the pain of which was FAR WORSE than any of at least 8 of those 10. I've never been waterboarded, but - at the same place - had my head forced face first into a bucket of water and held there for what seemed like eternity. I can understand the complaints about waterboarding that lasted more than 10 seconds or so, and if the insect appeared deadly, that woulda given me a heart attack, but I respectfully submit THAT WHAT The Ten tortures used were not unusual nor, on reflection of my own experiences, really inhumane either.
BTW, my kneecaps still have "bursitis" like lumps on 'em.
Crap, the way the LEFT is dealing with this makes it sound like we used electrodes to genitals, made prisioners stand barefoot on a water soaked floor while a little electricity was touched to the floor, and that sort of thing.
Which is why I finished my blog thread with McCain as an example and a link to some truly horrible examples of REAL torture.
This, again, is an example of the left using terms in order to minimize the words and make the issue at hand sound worse than it is. Such as referring to Gaza as a concentration camp.... that sort of thing.
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itellu3times Thu, Apr 23, 2009 10:59:26pm |
Outstanding column, Obama's Mideast Myopia
...
4. Said Obama: "I am a strong believer in a two-state solution. I think there are a lot of Israelis who also believe in a two-state solution." This is a not-so-veiled slap at Prime Minister Netanyahu for not embracing Obama's mantra to put Palestinian statehood at the head of the line. And why did Obama fail to say anything about how many Palestinians favor a two-state solution? Why is it only important that Israelis do? Why not admit that many Palestinians reject a two-state solution and want a single Palestinian state from the river to the sea? After all, Hams iron rule of Gaza and as a sizeable political presence in the West Bank isn't exactly chopped liver. If Obama were really serious about playing the role of impartial, honest broker, he'd have to, at a minimum, spell out how Abbas can negotiate for the Palestinians as long as he can't speak for half his people.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:00:24pm |
re: #224 freetoken
Those who call themselves "conservative".
There is no universally accepted definition of "conservative", and perhaps there can't be (as it is locale dependent to some extent.)
I also use that because in the blogosphere the past few years there has been lots of heat generated by some who lament that so-and-so is not a "true" conservative. (We saw lots of that with McCain.)
Noted. I guess it's like pornography; hard to define, but recognizable when seen? ;-)>
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tompaineftw Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:01:13pm |
OT: Anyone see the reports on the gov't bank loans possibly being converted to common stock? Biggest downer evar!
So, this is my first link post ever. Hope it works ok.
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:02:16pm |
re: #237 tompaineftw
OT: Anyone see the reports on the gov't bank loans possibly being converted to common stock? Biggest downer evar!
So, this is my first link post ever. Hope it works ok.
was it to be a link to a video? Or the OT?
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tompaineftw Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:06:54pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:07:08pm |
re: #79 Zimriel
Wolcott's not nearly as cuttingly funny as he thinks he is: "[Pamela Geller is] blogdom's Sarah Palin of High-Decibel Disassociation".
Also not as smart. The word he's groping for is "dissociation":
Psychiatry split off (a component of mental activity) to act as an independent part of mental life.
But I agree with him in that I have as much use for Sarah as I do for Pam.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:13:05pm |
OMG, Corona del Mar High School is doing a production of "Rent" and Fred Phelps and his bunch are protesting.
Just heard this on KNBC but can't find the link yet. Found this one, though.
[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com...]
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:15:21pm |
re: #239 Outrider
was it to be a link to a video? Or the OT?
If you're looking for a video of the gov't loans conversion to common stock story, here you go!
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Outrider Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:17:08pm |
re: #243 gmsc
If you're looking for a video of the gov't loans conversion to common stock story, here you go!
Thanks. Although the Kodachrome video tompaineftw put up wasn't half shabby either. ;-)>
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gmsc Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:19:20pm |
re: #244 Outrider
Thanks. Although the Kodachrome video tompaineftw put up wasn't half shabby either. ;-)>
True.
BTW, good video, tompaineftw!
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rawmuse Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:23:13pm |
re: #111 Charles
Guh. This is what happens when America elects a leftist. Welcome to the brave new world.
"Amerikka. We suck, so screw us."
I'm having a little problem with that mantra.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:26:00pm |
Here we see Manfred Rouhs speaking at Pro-Koeln rally in Cologne, Germany.
The man on his left is Mario Borghezio.
According to Wiki Borghezio has the following record:
In 1993, he was fined 750,000 lire for beating a Moroccan child. Later, he obtained some notoriety for spraying seats where Nigerian prostitutes had been sitting on the Turin-Milan train, in order to sanitize them.
In September 2005, Borghezio was found guilty of arson, for having set fire to the belongings of some immigrants sleeping under a bridge in Turin during a vigilante raid, and fined 3,040 Euros.
I believe that is a symbol for Movimento Giovani Padani. The leader is Umberto Bossi who has called for the Italian Navy to open fire on asylum seekers.
The more I look into European politic the more I realize how hypocritical the European media is towards the United States. Europe is full of stark raving crazy politicians.
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Winslow Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:34:37pm |
re: #244 Outrider
Kodachrome?
Oh, I thought you said Fauxtoclone.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:35:28pm |
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calcajun Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:36:16pm |
re: #247 Gus 802
Europe is full of stark raving crazy politicians.
And this is new how? Outside of the UK, most of continental Europe has always had many fringe parties. Germany was like that in the 20's and 30's when there were more than a dozen parties, each polling almost a million votes.
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calcajun Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:37:11pm |
re: #250 calcajun
Huh--lost everything I wrote--guess it wasn't worth saying then. Nevermind.
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Gus Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:40:10pm |
re: #251 calcajun
Huh--lost everything I wrote--guess it wasn't worth saying then. Nevermind.
No I saw it in LGF Spy. Odd how it vanished.
It's new to me since I've been ignoring European politics. Oddly enough Umberto Bossi is a form Communist party member that called for the shooting of "fascists." Yet he is a fascist himself -- allegedly.
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MisterCookie Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:48:30pm |
I'd rather die in the most painful of Islamic punishments for infidels than live as a Nazi - and honestly, other than language, what difference is there between these fascist fucks and the Islamicists?
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Orangutan Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:37am |
Excellent news!
It's just as important to keep one's own ranks clean, if not more.
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Aye Pod Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:56:10am |
Spencer:
"Pro-Köln, he says, is a neo-Nazi group, and he has a photo of some guy who is not involved with Pro-Köln but is wearing a Hitler-style overcoat to prove it. And if Pamela, Paul and I are speaking there, well, we must be Nazis too, right?."
Once again Spencer has to resort to using the strawman argument that he is being accused of being a fully fledged Nazi. It's stupid, but what the heck, it's easy to refute, and his crowd seem to love it, so why not?
He continues:
In reality, the fact that we were invited to speak indicates in itself that Pro-Köln is not a neo-Nazi group
Reading the article here, I see that Charles called out Pro-Koln as a far-right group with neo-nazi links, not as a neo-nazi group outright. One thing that isn't liked over at Jihad Watch is nuance. It's becoming clear that part of the whole attraction of Jihad Watch generally is the distorted 'simplification' of the world he offers his readers.
From [Link: www.blokbuster.be...]
"Among the guests of honor at the demonstration of Pro Köln were Bart Debie of the Vlaams Belang, but Reinhard Günzel, a supporter of the Nazi Hermann Göring.”. Günzel is a former military troops who are sometime held that the same discipline as the day had put the Spartans, the Romans or the Waffen-SS."
"Pro Cologne has always maintained friendly ties with known neo-Nazis. Alex Reitz is one of the most well-known neo-Nazis in Germany. In 1999 he offered assistance for the election of Pro Köln. Below you see a picture of Reitz together with the leader of Pro Cologne, Manfred Rouhs."
But none of that matters - according to Robert Spencer, Pro Koln assuaged any concerns over their neo-nazi links simply by inviting Robert Spencer.
Conclusion - Spencer is full of shit, and doesn't seem to be thinking before he opens his mouth these days, perhaps because his uncritical followers are so ready to accept any account of his no matter how weak.
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Zimriel Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:27:31am |
re: #246 rawmuse
"Amerikka. We suck, so screw us."
I'm having a little problem with that mantra.
Robert Ferrigno predicted last year in NRO that Obama's slogan for the US would be, "I'm Sorry".
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funky chicken Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:56am |
re: #101 JacksonTn
What is this ... somebody tell me wtf this is ... has Obama lost his friggin mind ...
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
why is he throwing gasoline on the fire ... why! I cannot stand him ...
He's trying to attack the military because they have a much higher approval rating than he does.
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Zimriel Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #228 Gus 802
[RS McCain]: I'm willing to let the Germans evaluate how much of a fascist threat Rouhs and Reitz pose to Germany.
How about if we let the Pushtuns evaluate how much of an Islamist threat the Taliban pose to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Or if we let Gazans evaluate how much of a terrorist threat Hamas poses to Gaza?
Our issue is NOT the threat they pose internally; our issue is the threat they pose to us.
But then, RS McCain knows that. RS McCain is a liar and a coward.
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rumcrook Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:18am |
re: #246 rawmuse
me too. now that we've groveled at all the apropriate thugs feet, at what point is america allowed to again:
champion its own interests
treat allies with respect
champion western civilization becuase its ours it works and its a dam sight better than any alternative no matter what multi culti advocates say.
if the leftists succeed in puting on show trials for people who kept america safe I will know we have hit rock bottom
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Zimriel Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:33am |
re: #223 Outrider
What is a "self proclaimed "Conservative"?
He means the American equivalent of what Muslims call "the takfiri". They're the kind of true-believer who specialises in weeding out deviants from their own ranks. "He's not a real Muslim! He's a crypto-kafir! Takfir!"
I must stress that there is a place for takfir in any movement; certainly the umma has a right to eject a weirdo like, say, al-Hallaj from their ranks (or else "Islam" would be a meaningless term). And we do have honest-to-God RINOs in the party, like Olympia Snowe, who do more harm to the economy than help.
But someone who yells "RINO, RINO" at non-creationists, neo-cons, and the like - someone like RS McCain - has headed off into Wahhabi territory.
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Land Shark Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:37am |
To me, the real reasons these "white nationalist" types have to be avoided have nothing to do with what the Left or Mainstream Media would say. In spite of Charles' considerable efforts to distance LGF from these fascist white supremacists, the Left continues to smear this site and the people who post here as racists, white supremacists, you name it. And notice their MSM buddies only talk about Charles when he's criticizing Conservatives who associate with these fascists, never when he criticizes Islamofascism or Obama or the Left in general. No matter what Conservatives do to separate themselves from the white supremacist types, all of us will still continue to be lumped in with the fascist / white supremacist slime.
The real reason Conservatives should stay away from alliances with those slugs is that they are piss poor allies in any fight for freedom. These people have a fundamental hatred of Jews they can only temporarily suppress. And they hate any non-whites like Hindus with whom we should be making common cause with against Islamic totalitarians. They are using the legitimate fear of Islamic supremacy as a vehicle to increase their influence and push their agenda. There's probably many with great sympathy for Islam due to it's strong anti-Jewish character, let's not forget the admiration with which Hitler is viewed in many parts of the Muslim world and Hitler's own admiration for Islam for it's militancy and anti-Semitism. Plus these white supremacists take a dim view of anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda, if you're white and oppose their white supremacism, you're their enemy as well.
The fight against Islamofascism is a fight for freedom. To make common cause with people who would suppress the freedom of certain groups isn't just morally wrong, it's suicide. They will turn against you sooner or later, or against our Jewish and other allies. It's only a matter of time. Too bad so many in the anti-Jihad movement seem unable to grasp this.
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Zimriel Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:37am |
re: #173 gmsc
So? When Reagan left office, he was 77.
And was already suffering the early symptoms of Alzheimer's by then...
I have to agree, the mid 70s are a dangerous age to be effective as a President. Medical science will come to our rescue but I think until then, there should be an upper limit of age 75 for the executive - and judicial - branches.
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Zimriel Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:00:38am |
re: #261 Land Shark
And they hate any non-whites like Hindus with whom we should be making common cause with against Islamic totalitarians.
Good post, but I will nitpick here. The Euro-fascists love Hindutva. They think that if you have to have a diverse country, like India (or America, or maybe even Italy), then it is right and good that the lighter-skinned brahmins and warrior-caste (kshatriya, iirc) ought to lord it over the darker castes.
I think if you plunge into some of the archives of these blogs for their comments about the Gujurati massacre a few years back, you'll find excuses for the Hindus carrying it out...
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Land Shark Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:18:37am |
You're right, of course. The white supremacist fascists aren't all going to be exactly alike in who they like or hate. They do seem ready and willing to praise any atrocity, no matter who does it, don't they?
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