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It is awfully important to know what is and what is not your business.

Gertrude Stein

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1 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:26:11pm

"Find this 'Gertrude Stein' person, bring her to me, and let's straighten her out!"
-Barack 0bama

2 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:28:47pm

I guess that's none of my business...

/white smoke...

3 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:28:49pm

Imagine being introduced to 400 people by name. Later on, you run into, oh, say 50 of those 400 people to whom you introduced earlier, and 10 of those 50 ask if you remember their names.

Do you think you could do as well as this 10 year old?

4 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:28:50pm

re: #1 gmsc

HAH! He can't do that. Let's see him try it on Nancy Pelosi!

5 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:29:44pm

There is a there, there, but it is just an OK "there".
Here is better.

6 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:29:51pm

While I have an open thread to discuss it, how many lizards have heard of this site. My sister told me about it sometime last year- and her being an overbearing vegan and full-fledged 0bama-ton, I was a little wary...

But upon poking around, I found out you can give money [a miniscule amount, granted] to all kinds of shelters, museums, high school bands and even the NRA's legal funds...I mostly forgot about it until just this week.

7 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:30:11pm

re: #3 gmsc

No way. I'm horrible with names!

8 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:31:55pm

re: #7 Floral Giraffe

No way. I'm horrible with names!

Me too, rosy zebra.

9 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:32:17pm

If the Obama administration presses this torture nonsense, the Landmark Legal Foundation is going to eat their lunch. They will depose everyone and make them own this bag of excrement that are trying to set on fire on our front porch.

10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:36:35pm
It is awfully important to know what is and what is not your business.

— Gertrude Stein

Been working hard at figuring this out for most of my life. I've been making progress.

This country's earliest "currency motto", Mind Your Business, should return IMO. The current one just doesn't describe the American Spirit at all.

11 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:36:36pm

re: #9 rawmuse


I almost wish they'd keep it up- it would make Micheal Steele's job alot easier.

All he'd have to do is run some ads 'Sen. {Insert name of Senator who had a bug up their ass about a bug in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's cell} has made it clear he holds the well being of Al-Qaeda detainees over that of his constituents' in the contested districts...

12 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:36:56pm

re: #7 Floral Giraffe

No way. I'm horrible with names!

Really? Well, here's some basic help on remembering names from memory expert Harry Lorayne.

If you're willing to put in a little more work in order to remember faces, here's a complete free online book to help you learn how to remember names and faces!

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:37:05pm

re: #9 rawmuse

Yes, the lawyers are salivating to get into this.
It's like that Chinese curse
"May you live in interesting times"
We are living in them...

14 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:38:28pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Pro-bono, I might add!

15 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:39:46pm

Your opinion of me is none of my business.

16 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:39:51pm

You know you're from California if:

1. Your coworker has 8 body piercings and none are visible.

2. You make over $300,000 and still can't afford a house.

3. You take a bus and are shocked at two people carrying on a conversation in English.

4. Your child's 3rd-grade teacher has purple hair, a nose ring, and is named Flower.

5. You can't remember .. . is pot illegal?

6. You've been to a baby shower that has two mothers and a sperm donor.

7. You have a very strong opinion about where your coffee beans are grown, and you can taste the difference between Sumatran and Ethiopian.

8. You can't remember .. . .. is pot illegal?

9. A really great parking space can totally move you to tears.

10. Gas costs $1.00 per gallon more than anywhere else in the U.S.

11. Unlike back home, the guy at 8:30 am at Starbucks wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses who looks like George Clooney really IS George Clooney.

12. Your car insurance costs as much as your house payment.

13. You can't remember .. . .is pot illegal?

14. It's barely sprinkling rain and there's a report on every news station: "STORM WATCH."

15. You pass an elementary school playground and the children are all busy with their cells or pagers.

16. It's barely sprinkling rain outside, so you leave for work an hour early to avoid all the weather-related accidents.

17. HEY! Is pot illegal?

18. Both you AND your dog have therapists, psychics, personal trainers and cosmetic surgeons.

19. The Terminator is your governor.

20. If you drive illegally, they take your driver's license. If you're here illegally, they want to give you one.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:40:48pm

re: #15 IslandLibertarian

Judge me all you like, but you better keep the verdict to yourself!
:)

18 zombie  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:41:40pm
It is awfully important to know what is and what is not your business.

— Gertrude Stein

What makes that statement so ironic is that Gertrude herself liked butting into other people's business.

She says it's important to know what is and what is not your business, but offers no opinion on what you're supposed to do with that knowledge. Her modus operandi seemed to be: When you find out what is someone else's business, then you butt in.

19 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:45:12pm

More guys who are good with names –

Graham Best:

Ron White:

20 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:45:23pm

re: #16 Pietr

Our rescue dog had a psychic before he was placed with us. LOL I guess we were on the correct psychic plane or whatever because when the gal who rescued him told the psychic about us she said "she was getting good vibes".
I kid you not.

21 pat  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:45:45pm

re: #18 zombie

What makes that statement so ironic is that Gertrude herself liked butting into other people's business.

She says it's important to know what is and what is not your business, but offers no opinion on what you're supposed to do with that knowledge. Her modus operandi seemed to be: When you find out what is someone else's business, then you butt in.

The strange woman was a piece of gossip that lived on gossip.

22 Summer Seale  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:47:23pm

re: #16 Pietr

Brilliant. =)

23 Gus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:47:51pm

"Communists are people who fancied that they had an unhappy childhood."

Gertrude Stein

24 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:47:51pm

re: #16 Pietr

You know you're from California if:

Another funny posting by Erik the R . . . Wait . . . Pietr?!?

//

25 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:48:09pm

re: #12 gmsc

Really? Well, here's some basic help on remembering names from memory expert Harry Lorayne.

If you're willing to put in a little more work in order to remember faces, here's a complete free online book to help you learn how to remember names and faces!

Thank you! I'll be able to use this in my (hopefully) new job in sales memorizing the script they use!

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:48:09pm

re: #16 Pietr

Hey, uh, dude! Keep yer dam stereotypes to yourself you, uh, bigot!
/

27 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:48:18pm

...and government has no business in business.

28 rawmuse  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:54:44pm

re: #12 gmsc

That is a very important social skill. I try to excel at it. I can usually get the man's name right, and sometimes the wife's name as well, if I am on a roll, then the occupation, and place of residence.

29 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:55:23pm

re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, uh, dude! Keep yer dam stereotypes to yourself you, uh, bigot!
/

Uh, sorry Dude, uh, you're so totally right: none of my business...

Just curious tho,
5. You can't remember .. . is pot illegal?

8. You can't remember .. . .. is pot illegal?

13. You can't remember .. . .is pot illegal?

17. HEY! Is pot illegal?

Well, is it?

30 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:57:55pm

G'night all.

31 gmsc  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:58:29pm

re: #25 Cygnus

Thank you! I'll be able to use this in my (hopefully) new job in sales memorizing the script they use!

You're welcome.

Even if it doesn't help memorize the script, remembering people's names will become the most valuable sales tool you can ever have. Think about it: How much easier is it to sell when you return to a customer you haven't seen in 1 month/1 season/1 year or so, and you not only greet them by name again, but ask how their kids/parents/friends are, and ask about them by name?

If you're supposed to remember the sales script as a series of concepts, I suggest working your way through How to Develop a Super-power Memory by Harry Lorayne.

If it's a script you have to remember verbatim, here's some great tips and a great tool (one I've used to help memorize poetry, where it has to be word-for-word!) for doing just that.

32 Pietr  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:58:49pm

G'night, Rosy Zebra...

33 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:58:52pm

re: #29 Pietr

Uh, sorry Dude, uh, you're so totally right: none of my business...

Just curious tho,
5. You can't remember .. . is pot illegal?

8. You can't remember .. . .. is pot illegal?

13. You can't remember .. . .is pot illegal?

17. HEY! Is pot illegal?

Well, is it?

[Link: www.hollywoodriot.com...]

34 wiffersnapper  Thu, Apr 23, 2009 11:59:25pm

Private business is NOT the government's business

35 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:00:01am

Today in History, April 24th:

Highlights of this day in history: An aborted mission to free American hostages in Iran ends in disaster; Ireland's 'Easter Rising' begins; Armenians face mass deportation during World War I; Singer Barbra Streisand born.

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:00:40am

re: #30 Floral Giraffe

'Nite. I'm not far behind you.

37 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:00:46am

re: #30 Floral Giraffe

G'night all.

Good night, FG!

38 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:02:25am

OK...so shortly after losing his job, Ted Rall discovers the joys of autoerotic asphyxiation. However he gets carried away one night and sure enough, he winds up dead and in hell. He doesn't realize this until an imposing figure that is none other than satan himself flings open the gates of hell.

"Mr. Rall- we've been expecting you!" the prince of darkness said.
"What is this place?" He asked.
"Don't act so surprised...this is hell. Come on, let me show you around" satan offered in a rather cordial manner.
"Okay..." Rall said, not sure what to make of all this.
They had gone no more than a few paces when Rall looked around to see that he was standing on what looked like a cart path, surrounded by lush, rolling greens.
"Do you like golf, Ted?"
"Sure! I never got to play much..."
"Well, you'll love Thursdays! The course here in hell combines what I think are the most challenging aspects of Pebble Beach, Gleneagle, Bethpaige Black, Augusta and Torrey Pines among others. It's alot of fun..."
"Wow...I had no idea."
From there, the two headed to an immense dining hall where all sorts of sumptuous meals were lined up on long tables stretching down the hallways.
"Do you like gourmet food, Ted?"
"Yeah...why do you ask?" a surprised Rall queried.
"Well then, you'll live Fridays! This week, we're featuring caviar, filet mignon, lobster bisque, coquille St. Jaques along with the finest of wines from all over the world..."
As they were leaving the massive banquet hall, Satan turned to Rall.
"Say Ted...do you like getting strapped down over a log and being sodomized by a couple hundred fat, hairy guys who smell like rancid salami?"
"What!? NO!" Rall exclaimed...
"Oh...well, you're not going to like Saturdays and Sundays"

39 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:04:10am

re: #28 rawmuse

That is a very important social skill. I try to excel at it. I can usually get the man's name right, and sometimes the wife's name as well, if I am on a roll, then the occupation, and place of residence.

It's sometimes funny the reactions you get when you remember people's names and a few details about their lives.

True, it does make you seem more interested and a better listener (which you pretty much have to be), but people are also astounded that one person can recall so much.

I've had customers at some sales jobs think that I'm especially assigned to them, as I seemed to know so much about them each time we met!

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:06:51am

re: #29 Pietr

DUDE! Mind your business!
/

41 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:07:17am

re: #15 IslandLibertarian

Your opinion of me is none of my business.

in all matters of opinion, my enemies are insane.

42 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:08:14am

re: #39 gmsc

People enjoy it when you seem interested in them and can remember details about the last time you met, etc. Most people only have the ability to talk about themselves. I have a favorite quote along these lines

"But, enough talk about me. What do you think of my tie?"

43 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:08:34am

This fellow was very proud of the way he could remember names by association, until he met Mrs. Hummock. Mrs. Hummock was quite heavy, and had a large stomach, so he decided to use "stomach" as his association.

Three weeks later, he met the same lady, glanced at her stomach, and, feeling very pleased with himself, said, "Good day, Mrs. Kelly!"

---

Two elderly gentlemen are playing cards on Saturday evening just as they have done for the past 50 years.

Gus, the elder, had been having problems remembering what cards were what, and usually needed help from his wife. At the end of the card game Red said to Gus, “You did very good tonight. You didn’t need any help at all. Why is that?”

Gus replied, “Why, ever since my wife sent me to that memory school, I haven’t had any problems at all.”

“Memory school? What memory school?”

Gus thought for a moment, “Oh, what’s that flower that’s red with thorns? A really pretty flower . . . ”

“A rose?” asked Red.

“Yeah, that’s it!” Gus turned to his wife and mumbled, “Hey, Rose! What’s the name of that memory school you sent me to?”

44 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:08:40am

re: #31 gmsc

and avoid head injuries...

45 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:09:41am

re: #39 gmsc

It's sometimes funny the reactions you get when you remember people's names and a few details about their lives.

True, it does make you seem more interested and a better listener (which you pretty much have to be), but people are also astounded that one person can recall so much.

I've had customers at some sales jobs think that I'm especially assigned to them, as I seemed to know so much about them each time we met!

I've dabbled with memory techniques including visualizing and associating names and faces with object. That does work. Now I really don't bother. If I forget someone's name I just ask: I'm sorry, but I forgot your name.

46 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:10:45am

Into a Belfast pub comes Paddy Murphy, looking like he'd just been run over by a train. His arm is in a sling, his nose is broken, his face is cut, and bruised, and he's walking with a limp.
'What happened to you?' asks Sean, the bartender.

'Jamie O'Conner and me had a fight,' says Paddy.
'That little O'Conner,' says Sean, 'He couldn't do that to you, he must have had something in his hand.'
'That he did,' says Paddy, 'a shovel is what he had, and a terrible lickin' he gave me with it.'
'Well,' says Sean, 'you should have defended yourself. Didn't you have something in your hand?'
That I did,' said Paddy, 'Mrs. O'Conner's breast, and a thing of beauty it was; but useless in a fight.'

47 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:11:27am

re: #41 redc1c4

in all matters of opinion, my enemies are insane.

How's everything going in that class you're taking?

48 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:12:58am

re: #45 Gus 802

I've dabbled with memory techniques including visualizing and associating names and faces with object. That does work. Now I really don't bother. If I forget someone's name I just ask: I'm sorry, but I forgot your name.

i tell people that's why i liked the Army: everyone's name was right there.

/that and all the k3wl shit for making noises and breaking things. %-)

49 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:13:18am

re: #47 Pvt Bin Jammin

How's everything going in that class you're taking?

/grumble...

50 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:13:22am

re: #43 gmsc

Mrs. Hummock would be a hammock. Draped under a large stomach.

51 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:14:34am

re: #44 redc1c4

and avoid head injuries...

Strangely enough, that's not always a good memory tip. A head injury is exactly how Orlando Serrell obtained his great memory (hyperthymesia, much like Jill Price or Marilu Henner):

52 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:14:43am

re: #47 Pvt Bin Jammin

How's everything going in that class you're taking?

we've got a test due NLT 1130 local tomorrow, except Professor Fuckwit has yet to load it to the web page...

the natives are getting seriously restless. %-)

53 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:15:02am

re: #48 redc1c4

i tell people that's why i liked the Army: everyone's name was right there.

/that and all the k3wl shit for making noises and breaking things. %-)

There you go. I'm all in favor of more name tags. I know people get all weird about forgetting names. Like if someone forgot my name I'd get offended or something. In this day and age? Not likely.

54 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:15:27am

#3, #9, and #14 on that CA list are incredibly true.

55 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:15:27am

re: #50 Gus 802

Mrs. Hummock would be a hammock. Draped under a large stomach.

Yeah, but then the joke doesn't work as well . . .
;)

56 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:16:23am

re: #51 gmsc

Strangely enough, that's not always a good memory tip. A head injury is exactly how Orlando Serrell obtained his great memory (hyperthymesia, much like Jill Price or Marilu Henner):


[Video]

those are odds i'll pass up on. more likely you'll get a subdural hematoma and die.

57 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:16:23am

re: #55 gmsc

Yeah, but then the joke doesn't work as well . . .
;)

There's always that. ;)

58 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:16:35am

re: #43 gmsc

Since a Hummock is a hill, he used the wrong visual aid, obviously...

/white smoke...

59 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:16:53am

re: #50 Gus 802

Mrs. Hummock would be a hammock. Draped under a large stomach.

maybe ham hock?

60 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:17:52am

re: #52 redc1c4

I'd be getting restless too. What a screwed up prof.

61 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:17:54am

re: #51 gmsc

Strangely enough, that's not always a good memory tip. A head injury is exactly how Orlando Serrell obtained his great memory (hyperthymesia, much like Jill Price or Marilu Henner):


[Video]

Can she visualize murder suspects?

Let's pay her 2000 dollars an hour!

//

62 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:22:11am

re: #61 Gus 802

Can she visualize murder suspects?

Let's pay her 2000 dollars an hour!

//

Quick note – Hyperthymesia only means that you have a perfect memory of what happened to you personally on every day of your life. Unless she actually saw a murder suspect herself, her hyperthymesia wouldn't be of any help.

re: #56 redc1c4

those are odds i'll pass up on. more likely you'll get a subdural hematoma and die.

True.

Marilu Henner was born with hyperthymesia, which is probably a safer way to get it. She mentioned it to Bob Costas once on her talk show, so he tested her.

He picked the date of the moon landing, and asked if she remembered what she was doing on July 20, 1969. She replied, "That's the night I lost my virginity." As you might expect, there was a huge audience laugh!

All Bob Costas could do is wait until the laughter died down, and said, "Well, we can be sure that Neil Armstrong wasn't the culprit."

63 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:22:27am

re: #60 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'd be getting restless too. What a screwed up prof.

adding it to the list of issues to bring to the dean, along with him calling me a "dick"... and his incomplete grasp of basic English skills.

64 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:23:47am

re: #59 redc1c4

maybe ham hock?

I'm e-mailing you a little graphic my hubby came up with. Instead of the American Eagle, it's the new symbol...the "ham hawk".

65 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:24:25am

re: #64 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm e-mailing you a little graphic my hubby came up with. Instead of the American Eagle, it's the new symbol...the "ham hawk".

How appropriate – it's made all out of pork!

66 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:25:22am

re: #62 gmsc

I know. I was just being sarcastic about the popular fascination for these things. She can remember her daily activities to the minute and write a book yet she doesn't have the ability to create anything. It reminds me of Mensa members that have super high IQs yet never produce anything of note.

67 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:25:36am

Pat and Mike are trying to make their fortune out west, but they're not having any luck. One day, they're in a saloon when in walks a big burly fella. The big guys walks up to the bar and throws some scalps down. The barkeep gives him a few dollars for each scalp and the he walks out.
"Did ya see that, Pat?" asked Mike.
"Aye, Michael. I certainly did. Are you thinking what I am thinking?"
"That Injun scalps are a lot easier to get than buffalo hide?" says Mike.
"And theys pays a lot for 'em, too," said Pat. "That fella got near twenty dollars for a few scrawny scalps."
"Aye," said Michael. "We can do better than that."

So the two of them get their gear and head out of town. The go for a day or so, looking for Indians to scalp when they finally see a squaw catching fish by a stream. Both Pat and Mike jump her and start furiously trying to scalp the poor woman. They're at it for a few minutes when Pat stops and looks up at a high ridge.
"Michael," he says. "You'd better have look at this."
Michael stops sawing at the scalp, looks up and sees hundreds of mounted Indians lining the ridge, in full war paint in bonnets, glaring down at them.
"Are you thinking what I'm thinking," asks Mike.
"By God, I am, Michael," replied Pat. "Sweet Jesus! We're millionaires!"

68 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:26:42am

Hey! I just noticed I've finally joined the 5-digit LGF club!

Just 64 messages ago, I hit 10,000 messages!
:)

69 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:27:00am

re: #50 Gus 802

Mrs. Hummock would be a hammock. Draped under a large stomach.

Mrs. Staples?
Mrs. Tuck?
Mrs. Gastroenteritis?
Mrs. Laparotmy?

70 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:27:05am

re: #66 Gus 802

I know. I was just being sarcastic about the popular fascination for these things. She can remember her daily activities to the minute and write a book yet she doesn't have the ability to create anything. It reminds me of Mensa members that have super high IQs yet never produce anything of note.

sounds like a certain chief executive...

/white smoke

71 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:27:13am

re: #65 gmsc

How appropriate – it's made all out of pork!

You got it. LOL

72 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:27:52am

re: #68 gmsc

I can only dream of that day. A dream dreamt by all little lizards.

73 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:28:06am

re: #70 redc1c4

sounds like a certain chief executive...

/white smoke

Dreams of my Father

/Puke

Oprah

74 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:29:41am

re: #68 gmsc

Hey! I just noticed I've finally joined the 5-digit LGF club!

Just 64 messages ago, I hit 10,000 messages!
:)

took you long enough... but you likely have a higher signal to noise ratio than certain unnamed co-conspirators...

/white smoke

75 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:30:16am

re: #72 calcajun

I can only dream of that day. A dream dreamt by all little lizards.

You're halfway there!

76 tompaineftw  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:31:05am

/jump-the-gun: Rick Monday

77 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:31:22am

re: #68 gmsc

Elitist.

/ q;

78 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:31:41am

re: #77 laZardo

Sorry for the rapid post-button-clicking. @_@

79 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:33:30am

re: #74 redc1c4

took you long enough... but you likely have a higher signal to noise ratio than certain unnamed co-conspirators...

/white smoke

1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . 4 . . . 5

You're great.

;)

80 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:33:36am

good news:

Dear MoveOn member,

If the jobs of the future are in wind and solar, where will those jobs be located? Unless we act quickly, this picture shows the answer:
Massive wind farm in China

By the end of the year, China will be the world's leading manufacturer of wind turbines.1 The U.S. government's investment in wind is tiny compared to China's, and that means American workers are missing out on millions of new jobs.

All that could change: In two weeks, there's a vote on President Obama's plan for a new energy economy. But key Democrats are wavering in the face of a flurry of Big Oil ads claiming America can't afford clean energy.

We're ready to counter with a new TV ad about all the great manufacturing jobs we could create by building clean energy tech. That's the message that'll convince Congress, but we need to raise $100,000 to put it on the air this week—can you chip in $25 to help out?

link deleted

If we don't pass this bill, we'll lose our chance to create millions of good, green jobs for laid-off workers. We'll lose our chance to give our kids a vibrant economy. And we'll lose our chance to pay down our national debt.

U.S. investment in wind power lags far behind, but when it comes to solar power, the story is even more infuriating: In the 1990s, the U.S. actually led the world in solar cell manufacturing. But in the Bush-Cheney years, China, Japan, and Europe all zoomed ahead of us in solar production.

We can catch up, but only if we start quickly.

Obama's plan would aggressively scale up American wind and solar production—creating millions of new jobs and tackling climate change in one fell swoop.

But the latest ads from dirty-energy companies are scaring away key Democrats in Congress. We've got to ramp up our grassroots campaign, starting with a new national TV ad to frame clean energy as one of the best ways to create good, new jobs.

Can you pitch in $25 to help win the upcoming vote on Obama's clean energy jobs plan?

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Thanks for all you do.

–Adam, Noah, Anna, Wes and the rest of the team

Source:
1. "We Must Seize the Energy Opportunity or Slip Further Behind," Center for American Progress, April 20, 2009

of course, this just means that the PRC will go broke that much sooner.

81 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:35:23am

re: #79 gmsc

1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . 4 . . . 5

You're great.

;)

don't know about that, but my karma # amazes me... WTF did they all come from?

/not that i'm complaining... %-)

82 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:35:25am

re: #68 gmsc

I just went over 2000 last week. I discovered it at at about 2008, and I thought, "only 4 were even worth posting!"

83 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:36:11am

re: #72 calcajun

I can only dream of that day. A dream dreamt by all little lizards.

"Post Forrest, post!"

84 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:36:25am

re: #81 redc1c4

don't know about that, but my karma # amazes me... WTF did they all come from?

/not that i'm complaining... %-)

I've been sneaking a few under your door mat.

85 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:37:06am

re: #82 BatGuano

I just went over 2000 last week. I discovered it at at about 2008, and I thought, "only 4 were even worth posting!"

and yet, here you are...

/white smoke

86 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:37:57am

re: #80 redc1c4


of course, this just means that the PRC will go broke that much sooner.

Disagree. China is energy starved (compared to the west) and is actively pursuing just about any route that increase their energy use.

87 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:38:14am

re: #84 gmsc

I've been sneaking a few under your door mat.

hopig i'll trip and break by neck after one too many fruitcups, undoubtedly. %-)

88 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:39:13am

re: #83 redc1c4

"Post Forrest, post!"

89 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:39:36am

re: #86 freetoken

Disagree. China is energy starved (compared to the west) and is actively pursuing just about any route that increase their energy use.

but wind energy is cost intensive and inefficient... are you sure the capital outlay, resource and infrastructure investment give a ROI worth the effort?

90 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:39:45am

re: #85 redc1c4

I can't help it. It's a sickness.

91 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:40:18am

re: #24 gmsc

Another funny posting by Erik the R . . . Wait . . . Pietr?!?

//

I need to talk with Erik about this. If I'm gonna be working as his stand in, I want a salary...:>))

92 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:41:25am

re: #89 redc1c4

plus those giant spinning blades are sure to whack a few endangered birdies...

93 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:41:28am

re: #88 gmsc


never have seen that movie...

i know: i don;t get out much. %-)

94 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:42:25am

re: #91 Pietr

I need to talk with Erik about this. If I'm gonna be working as his stand in, I want a salary...:>))

you get all the celery you earn. it's all in how you crunch the numbers.

95 Shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:42:55am

Speaking of high achievers, I just caught a late-night re-run of yesterday's Oprah show. I normally don't watch any kind of daytime TV but this one featured interviews with the notorious Tonya Harding (now 38 and looking 50) and the equally notorious though perhaps more respected Lorena Bobbitt (who now uses her maiden name of Gallo). Some men are incensed that Bobbitt/Gallo is something of a hero to various feminists but her "victim," John Wayne Bobbitt, was such a thoroughgoing cretin and all-round asshole that I really cannot fault her for cutting him down to size. JWB has been arrested a number of times since his divorce from Lorena, including several times for domestic violence against later girlfriends. Talk about a slow learner.
Lorena has not re-married, though she does have a long term relationship, (and a two year old baby) with a courageous though perhaps imprudent chap named Dave Bellinger.

96 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:43:02am

re: #90 BatGuano

I can't help it. It's a sickness.

have you tried more cowbell?

97 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:43:11am

re: #93 redc1c4

never have seen that movie...

i know: i don;t get out much. %-)

It's basically about a simple man that goes where the wind takes him. There's never really a plot, but it's enjoyable anyway.

98 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:43:57am

re: #86 freetoken

I would concur, if only because these technologies should become cheaper over time as more investment is put into it.

On the other hand, there is always the little paradox that everything is "Made In China," but you can't trust the ones with specifically Chinese branding.

/also, i got reminded of this interesting picture from zombie's site...

99 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:44:49am

re: #97 gmsc

It's basically about a simple man that goes where the wind takes him. There's never really a plot, but it's enjoyable anyway.

they made a movie about Ear Leader and had a white guy as the lead actor?

RACIST!

/

100 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:45:25am

re: #99 redc1c4

they made a movie about Ear Leader and had a white guy as the lead actor?

RACIST!

/

You're not that far off.

101 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:46:12am

re: #98 laZardo

/also, i got reminded of this interesting picture from zombie's site...

Um, if it comes from Israel, isn't it still foreign oil?

(Haven't noticed any extra stars on the flag.)

102 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:47:02am

re: #101 gmsc

Actually, it's a poster for an Israeli organization promoting solar and other renewable power.

103 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:47:21am

re: #96 redc1c4

The only prescription is more cowbell.

104 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:47:22am

re: #98 laZardo

I would concur, if only because these technologies should become cheaper over time as more investment is put into it.

On the other hand, there is always the little paradox that everything is "Made In China," but you can't trust the ones with specifically Chinese branding.

/also, i got reminded of this interesting picture from zombie's site...

obviously it's a Zionazi plot to impoverish the po' Arabs...

105 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:48:13am

re: #101 gmsc

Um, if it comes from Israel, isn't it still foreign oil?

(Haven't noticed any extra stars on the flag.)

not a whole lot of oil used in solar power...

106 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:48:30am

re: #104 redc1c4

And further enslave the Palestinians to provide cheap labor!

/

107 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:48:42am

re: #89 redc1c4

Remember to not apply local costs (e.g., US) to a foreign nation. In other words, if the Chinese can generate electricity from wind cheaper than the US can generate electricity from coal (where coal is less expensive than wind, assuming you don't want to price long term environmental costs), in a trade relationship they are still increasing their capability for less cost than the US could if we wanted to compete with them.

Remember too, that "lowest price" is not only criterion for choosing to perform an action. If that were true, none of us would have electricity (unless we lived by a stream) and we would be using candles! There are plenty of Chinese who still have minimal access to electricity, and if they desire to change that perhaps they are running into limits on their coal-mining capability. Wind can be sited in locations with no local coal source and where further investment in rail may not be reasonable.

108 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:49:04am

re: #103 BatGuano

The only prescription is more cowbell.

so it's not w*rking?

109 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:50:42am

The U.N.'s Durban II Debacle

Excerpt:

Reality, that's what. The despot-heavy U.N. General Assembly designed this Durban Review conference from the start as a vehicle for anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism and an array of other U.N. campaigns targeting free societies--such as a global gag on free speech about Islam.

[...snip...]

So, despite a long list of speakers still waiting for the podium, plus more than 200 U.N.-accredited nongovernmental organizations on hand hoping for "dialogue," a U.N. body known as the conference's "Main Committee" abruptly moved up production of the outcome document--which embodies the official results of the conference. By late afternoon on Tuesday, the second day of the five day gathering, High Commissioner Pillay stepped forth to announce that the outcome document had been approved.

Indeed, according to U.N. spokespersons, the outcome document was approved by a "consensus" of member states. That's an intriguing interpretation of a decision in which some members of the U.N.--the U.S. for instance-- were, with good reason, dissenting so strongly as to boycott the entire gathering.

So, next time someone says there's a "consensus" about human-caused global warming, you can remind them there's a "consensus" about a free-speech ban when discussing Islam, as well.

110 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:52:11am

re: #107 freetoken

Remember to not apply local costs (e.g., US) to a foreign nation. In other words, if the Chinese can generate electricity from wind cheaper than the US can generate electricity from coal (where coal is less expensive than wind, assuming you don't want to price long term environmental costs), in a trade relationship they are still increasing their capability for less cost than the US could if we wanted to compete with them.

Remember too, that "lowest price" is not only criterion for choosing to perform an action. If that were true, none of us would have electricity (unless we lived by a stream) and we would be using candles! There are plenty of Chinese who still have minimal access to electricity, and if they desire to change that perhaps they are running into limits on their coal-mining capability. Wind can be sited in locations with no local coal source and where further investment in rail may not be reasonable.

tru dat, but the cot of materials is set on the open market, and wind doesn't always blow where or when you need it. transmitting the power elswhere also takes massive investment, and the PRC is not famous for brilliant economic planning.

111 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:55:18am

Goodnight, lizards. I'm tired.

Just had to e-mail my regrets on the San Diego meet. I so wanted to go but I don't think my hubby is up to it. He's back to work and kind of overdoing it.

Take care everybody.

112 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:55:38am

re: #105 redc1c4

not a whole lot of oil used in solar power...

Actually . . .

The third type of generator is a peak generator. THIS is where solar, wind and other hippie-brand, spotted-owl dicing power generation comes into play. See, solar and wind generators are never constant, because their output, or the amount of load they can accept, varies greatly with environmental conditions. Cloudy day? Solar plants are screwed. Wind dropping off? Wind plants are screwed. It is because of this dramatic fluctuation in load handling that every wind and/or solar station on the grid, has a fossil generator running right next to it to manage load. These peakers can produce energy at specific times, and when they can, that energy can be put on the grid (via a load balancing generator). However, as soon as their generation rate drops below a certain level, the load balancing fossil generator can no longer keep up, and the load demand needs to be transfered away from the peak plant and put on to either a ramp or base plant.

So, feel free to point out, the next time so tofu-munching sprout fairy goes on about how clean and pretty wind and solar plants are, that there's a big horkin' turbine right next to every single one, burning natural gas or oil.

Read the whole thing.

113 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:55:48am

re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin

Goodnight, lizards. I'm tired.

Just had to e-mail my regrets on the San Diego meet. I so wanted to go but I don't think my hubby is up to it. He's back to work and kind of overdoing it.

Take care everybody.

Good night, PBJ!

114 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:56:36am

re: #109 gmsc

The U.N.'s Durban II Debacle

Excerpt:

So, next time someone says there's a "consensus" about human-caused global warming, you can remind them there's a "consensus" about a free-speech ban when discussing Islam, as well.

i'd b happy to give a free speech regarding this issue to the UN...

"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy corksuckers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens, like me, could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves."

115 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:58:15am

re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'night, PBJ...and tell your male to unlax more...

116 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:59:02am

re: #89 redc1c4

Just to give a concrete example. The other night Calcajun was talking about Buck Knives, and their move from El Cajon California, to making their knives in China.

Industry consumes electricity, and smelting metal does this (if one is using induction to heat, and not combustion.) If China increases electricity production enough, using wind, to be able to host Buck Knives production, at an overall cost that is still cheaper than somewhere in the US that relied on coal, then Buck Knives still moves to China.

117 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 12:59:32am

re: #112 gmsc

Read the whole thing.

i meant in the solar part of it, but that's an interesting read. i knew most of it, but not as eloquently as they put it.

118 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:00:16am

re: #116 freetoken

I thought Buck Knives moved to Idaho. Must've been an intermediate stop on the way to China...

119 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:00:28am

re: #116 freetoken

Just to give a concrete example. The other night Calcajun was talking about Buck Knives, and their move from El Cajon California, to making their knives in China.

Industry consumes electricity, and smelting metal does this (if one is using induction to heat, and not combustion.) If China increases electricity production enough, using wind, to be able to host Buck Knives production, at an overall cost that is still cheaper than somewhere in the US that relied on coal, then Buck Knives still moves to China.

but is the company carrying the cos, or is the government, and what happens when the government runs out of money?

120 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:00:31am

re: #115 Pietr

Thanks. It sucks to be self employed. It would be so great to cruise down to San Diego & meet the lizards.

121 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:02:42am

It's 1:00 am--and I am still in my office. Major court filing in the AM and trudging to the finish line.

Must---have---Scotch---

122 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:03:31am

re: #121 calcajun

It's 1:00 am--and I am still in my office. Major court filing in the AM and trudging to the finish line.

Must---have---Scotch---

If nothing else, the Scotch will make the briefs more interesting.
;)

123 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:03:33am

Court quotations

ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
WITNESS: He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'
ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
WITNESS: My name is Susan!
___

ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
___

ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
WITNESS: No, I just lie there..
___

ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his
sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
___

ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?
WITNESS: He's twenty, much like your IQ.
___

ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you shitting me?
___

124 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:04:08am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

Picked up one at Scout camp last year--made in China stamped on it. (best recollection)

125 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:04:46am

re: #122 gmsc

If nothing else, the Scotch will make the briefs more interesting.
;)

And make my writing better, too!

126 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:05:51am

re: #123 Pietr

Court quotations

My favorite court quotations, courtesy of Airplane! 2.

127 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:06:22am

LOL, look at the link my best friend has posted on his Facebook page for the last day...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

128 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:07:03am

re: #124 calcajun

Picked up one at Scout camp last year--made in China stamped on it. (best recollection)

Of course, the SEAKIEST sales gimmick ever was done by Japan (a long time ago). They moved all there finish lines to Usa, Japan-so they could stamp all finished product Made in USA...

129 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:07:27am

re: #124 calcajun

Picked up one at Scout camp last year--made in China stamped on it. (best recollection)

Buck Factory Tour

maybe they outsource some, or you got a knock off.

(not that the PRC would ever condone such a thing %-)

130 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:07:57am

re: #119 redc1c4

Strongly suspect the Chinese worry more about running out of coal and water than they do money.

Remember with > 1.3 billion people resource consumption has to be considered. The Chinese have had significant dealings with resource giantRio Tinto, for example, because they have to do so. There has been considerable talk about the Chinese funding massive coal-to-liquids (CTL) projects in Australia, because the Chinese are hitting a resource problem even with their supposedly large coal reserves.

So, I think it makes a heck of a lot of sense for the Chinese to explore every possible avenue for energy production. Same for the US, but in our case our immediate problem is oil (and that is long term problem for the Chinese too.)

131 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:08:48am

re: #127 TheMatrix31

LOL, look at the link my best friend has posted on his Facebook page for the last day...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

wow... they interviewed a whole 1000 people.

/

132 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:09:41am

Fenway's Nightly Precious Metals Update:

Gold- $910.70 an ounce (up 0.75%)
Silver- $12.86 an ounce (up 0.31%)
Platinum- $1179 an ounce (unchanged)
Palladium- $232 an ounce (up 0.43%)
Rhodium- $1412.50 an ounce (unchanged)

Gold's up over $900 an ounce...'scuse me while I cry like a little girl.

133 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:09:43am

re: #128 Pietr

Of course, the SEAKIEST sales gimmick ever was done by Japan (a long time ago). They moved all there finish lines to Usa, Japan-so they could stamp all finished product Made in USA...

Quick correction: The town of Usa is in Mexico, not Japan.

It was shortly after that when Congress passed a law requiring that the country of origin's name must be on imported products. Made in USA MEXICO made much less sense.

134 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:11:20am

re: #131 redc1c4

wow... they interviewed a whole 1000 people.

/

No no no, you're just being a hater!

I would sure like to post "If everyone thinks this country is back on track, then how come the #1 book in the country over the last month has been Liberty & Tyranny, a CONSERVATIVE book?"

135 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:11:34am
136 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:11:43am

re: #130 freetoken

seems to me the most critical issue the PRC has is the male/female population disparity that's just staring to hit...

137 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:13:03am

re: #80 redc1c4

good news:

Dear MoveOn member,

So...

1. Real, existent defense jobs - BAD
2. A handful of POSSIBLE jobs making windmills - GOOD
3. Green jobs will save our economy.
4. Deficits are bad.

This from the people who support a guy who just rolled a +5 on our national deficit.

And we're supposed to be worried about Chinese windmills? What, will that windmill gap cripple our economy? HelLOOO... The Chinese economic boom is driven by COAL. COAL, COAL, and MORE COAL, hence the "Asian Brown Cloud" and entire districts of China being covered in sludgy tan dust from their power plants... Which would lead a rational person to conclude that the best "green job" initiative we could come up with in the short term is to invest heavily in helping the Chinese clean up their shitpile powerplants, tech which we could use here at home, too...

But hey, fuck the facts, we have to give money to Democrats so they can do good things... Or something...

I know only one person who is a real, genuine member of moveon.org, and she's not exactly a stable, sensible citizen. Flighty. Irrational. Emotionally driven. I guess these kinds of e-mails work on people like her... She's borderline family but, ayiyi, politically not so smart.

138 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:13:17am

re: #128 Pietr


Wouldn't work...the 'MADE IN...' thing would apply to the country of origin, not city of origin.

139 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:13:43am

re: #133 gmsc

Quick correction: The town of Usa is in Mexico, not Japan.

It was shortly after that when Congress passed a law requiring that the country of origin's name must be on imported products. Made in USA MEXICO made much less sense.

re: #133 gmsc

Quick correction: The town of Usa is in Mexico, not Japan.

It was shortly after that when Congress passed a law requiring that the country of origin's name must be on imported products. Made in USA MEXICO made much less sense.

re: #135 laZardo

I see whut they did thar.

Hmmm . . . Mexico tried that trick, too. I guess there's an Usa in both Japan and Mexico.

140 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:15:24am

re: #134 TheMatrix31

No no no, you're just being a hater!

I would sure like to post "If everyone thinks this country is back on track, then how come the #1 book in the country over the last month has been Liberty & Tyranny, a CONSERVATIVE book?"

point of honor order:

i'm an obnoxious asshole, not a hater.

/white smoke

141 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:17:21am

re: #137 Pawn of the Oppressor

So...

1. Real, existent defense jobs - BAD
2. A handful of POSSIBLE jobs making windmills - GOOD
3. Green jobs will save our economy.
4. Deficits are bad.

This from the people who support a guy who just rolled a +5 on our national deficit.

And we're supposed to be worried about Chinese windmills? What, will that windmill gap cripple our economy? HelLOOO... The Chinese economic boom is driven by COAL. COAL, COAL, and MORE COAL, hence the "Asian Brown Cloud" and entire districts of China being covered in sludgy tan dust from their power plants... Which would lead a rational person to conclude that the best "green job" initiative we could come up with in the short term is to invest heavily in helping the Chinese clean up their shitpile powerplants, tech which we could use here at home, too...

But hey, fuck the facts, we have to give money to Democrats so they can do good things... Or something...

I know only one person who is a real, genuine member of moveon.org, and she's not exactly a stable, sensible citizen. Flighty. Irrational. Emotionally driven. I guess these kinds of e-mails work on people like her... She's borderline family but, ayiyi, politically not so smart.

there you go again with those annoying fact thingies... can you puhleeze get with the program?

142 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:19:10am

re: #137 Pawn of the Oppressor

btw: you may only know one, but there are many in my AO: i get numeri invites to various coven events...

143 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:20:22am

speaking of being an alpha hotel, i believe it's time for a rat check... BRB!

144 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:21:14am

re: #127 TheMatrix31

LOL, look at the link my best friend has posted on his Facebook page for the last day...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Headline: AP Poll: After Obama's 100 days, US on right track

I have no doubt that, after 0bama's first 100 days, America will be on the right track again. It will be a looong time after 0bama's first 100 days (and a long time after his first 1,460 days, too), but we will get back on the right track eventually.

Here on the 94th day (before the 100th day), we're still screwed, though.

145 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:21:57am

Just a quick google pops up all sorts of news blurbs:

China's Yudean buys 7.5 pct of Australia coal mine

China Shenhua secures new Australia coal prospect

And so forth. Besides wind, China has reported significantly increased interest in solar (esp. solar thermal), and so on.

And, as mentioned above, the pollution problem can no longer be ignored in China.

Coal is not a renewable resource. The Chinese are thinking ahead. Good for them. We should do likewise.

/ok, I'll get off my soapbox...

146 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:22:20am

Fenway's Marginally Less Depressing Overseas Market Update:

Shanghai Composite- down 0.62%

Singapore's Straits Times- down 0.45%

Mumbai's SENSEX- up 1.39%

New Zealand's NZSE50- down 0.09%

Nikkei- down 1.57%

Johannesburg JSE Limited- up 0.44%

KOSPI Seoul Composite- down 1.07%

Australia's All Ordinaries- down 0.75%

Hang Seng- up 0.29%

Tel Aviv's TA100- up 2.26%

Taiwan Weighted- up 0.09%

147 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:22:33am

re: #139 gmsc

Snopes on that issue:

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

148 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:25:24am

re: #144 gmsc

US on right track

Yeah. We're on the right track. We're tied to it--thanks to President Snidely Whiplash. And the trains' a' comin.

149 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:25:33am

Here's some silliness I found while looking for that Airplane 2 footage I posted upthread.

Does anyone else remember Count Duckula?

150 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:28:23am

re: #144 gmsc

It got me back on track, to be sure. I finally got around to enrolling in the National Service Training Program over here at the start of my 4th year in college. It's something I should have done in my 2nd year.

/btw, it's mandatory.

151 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:29:10am

re: #144 gmsc

Headline: AP Poll: After Obama's 100 days, US on right track

I have no doubt that, after 0bama's first 100 days, America will be on the right track again. It will be a looong time after 0bama's first 100 days (and a long time after his first 1,460 days, too), but we will get back on the right track eventually.

Here on the 94th day (before the 100th day), we're still screwed, though.

nawww... we're definitely on the right track, at least as far as Ear Leader is concerned... but at least i'm enjoying the ride...

152 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:29:43am

re: #145 freetoken

They inked a pretty big deal with PetroBras last month, too.

153 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:30:24am

re: #133 gmsc

Quick correction: The town of Usa is in Mexico, not Japan.

It was shortly after that when Congress passed a law requiring that the country of origin's name must be on imported products. Made in USA MEXICO made much less sense.

I stand corrected-maybe there was still some anti-Japanese feelings when I was told that in my youth...it just stuck in my head. That was long before the internet, and fact checking involved the library, and lots of research, even in the micro fiche newspaper files. I shoulda added my IIRC to that...:>((

154 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:31:12am

"Mommy, what was it like living during Jimmy Carter's presidency?"

"Just watch while 0bama is president, son, and you'll get the idea."

155 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:31:15am

re: #145 freetoken

Just a quick google pops up all sorts of news blurbs:

China's Yudean buys 7.5 pct of Australia coal mine

China Shenhua secures new Australia coal prospect

And so forth. Besides wind, China has reported significantly increased interest in solar (esp. solar thermal), and so on.

And, as mentioned above, the pollution problem can no longer be ignored in China.

Coal is not a renewable resource. The Chinese are thinking ahead. Good for them. We should do likewise.
/ok, I'll get off my soapbox...

investing in additional Mk-48's would give us more bang for our buck, and render their coal investments useless...

156 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:31:58am

re: #153 Pietr

I stand corrected

That explains the orthopedic shoes!
;)

(Hey, if you're going to try and fill Erik's shoes . . .)

157 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:32:53am

re: #154 gmsc


"Oh look...Jimmy Carter's back in the White House and we're fresh out of Panama Canals to give away"

158 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:33:18am

re: #148 calcajun

Yeah. We're on the right track. We're tied to it--thanks to President Snidely Whiplash. And the trains' a' comin.

tons of steel

159 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:34:01am

re: #153 Pietr

I heard, and believed it, in the seventies. I couldn't check it for the reasons you mentioned.

160 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:34:10am

re: #157 Fenway_Nation

"Oh look...Jimmy Carter's back in the White House and we're fresh out of Panama Canals to give away"

That's OK, we still have an economy to hand out to anyone who asks.

161 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:35:06am

re: #157 Fenway_Nation

"Oh look...Jimmy Carter's back in the White House and we're fresh out of Panama Canals to give away"

so instead he's going to give us a national root canal?

/and colonoscopy

162 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:36:19am

re: #152 Fenway_Nation

They inked a pretty big deal with PetroBras last month, too.

what are they going to do with a bunch of oily tits, open up a beer bar?

/white smoke

163 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:36:57am

Limited activity on the markets in the Islamic world...partly because it's the markets in Jordan are closed, partly because the bourses in Malaysia and Egypt have been too damn lazy to update their English websites more than once a week and I'm too lazy to check...

Dubai's ADX- down 0.81%

Jakarta's JKSE- down 1.33%

164 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:37:29am

re: #156 gmsc

That explains the orthopedic shoes!
;)

(Hey, if you're going to try and fill Erik's shoes . . .)

no sense filling his shoes: Fat Freddie's cat already did.

165 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:40:25am

re: #164 redc1c4

no sense filling his shoes: Fat Freddie's cat already did.

"We went lookin' for the good life, but we shoulda stayed in bed . . ."

(Continued on page 2)

166 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:40:28am

I don't get how we're on the right track when the guy's done like, three good things in office? Two of which I forget at the moment, I may add.

167 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:41:19am

re: #166 TheMatrix31

I don't get how we're on the right track when the guy's done like, three good things in office? Two of which I forget at the moment, I may add.

I have a great memory, and I forget 4 of the 3 good things he's done!

168 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:42:02am

re: #166 TheMatrix31

I don't get how we're on the right track when the guy's done like, three good things in office? Two of which I forget at the moment, I may add.

and the thrid one is?

drawing a blank on anything Ear Leader has done right.

169 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:42:21am

re: #166 TheMatrix31

I don't get how we're on the right track when the guy's done like, three good things in office? Two of which I forget at the moment, I may add.


Don't worry- he'll probably flip flop on them, too.

170 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:43:04am
171 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:44:20am

re: #167 gmsc

I have a great memory, and I forget 4 of the 3 good things he's done!

the only way to calculate Ear Leader's "achievements" would be through the use of irrational numbers.

172 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:44:23am

re: #170 TheMatrix31


Too bad I'm out of a job...most of these companies won't be in the toilet forever.

173 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:44:24am

re: #168 redc1c4

and the thrid one is?

drawing a blank on anything Ear Leader has done right.

I remember protecting Bush wiretaps (don't know if this is still the course of action anymore), letting the Marines kick Pirate ass (which is what he should have done anyway), and not going to Durban for the racism conference.

That's about it.

174 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:45:43am

re: #152 Fenway_Nation

Heck, Chinese companies probably would want to buy PetroBras outright, if the Brazilian government would only allow it. Brazil is believed to be one of the few countries that could meaningfully increase its oil production over the next couple of decades.

175 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:46:55am

re: #174 freetoken

Heck, Chinese companies probably would want to buy PetroBras outright, if the Brazilian government would only allow it. Brazil is believed to be one of the few countries that could meaningfully increase its oil production over the next couple of decades.

besides the US, which refuses to do so.

176 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:47:00am

I'd consider going to my warm sand, but LoL is not gonna put up with that 2 nights in a row...:>))

177 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:48:30am

re: #176 Pietr

I'd consider going to my warm sand, but LoL is not gonna put up with that 2 nights in a row...:>))

Speaking from experience, that's definitely true.

178 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:48:39am

I always thought Banco Santander ADR had the most unfortunate ticker symbol EVER!

179 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:49:05am

re: #173 TheMatrix31

I remember protecting Bush wiretaps (don't know if this is still the course of action anymore), letting the Marines kick Pirate ass (which is what he should have done anyway), and not going to Durban for the racism conference.

That's about it.

defending the status quo and allowing the military to do their j*b are hardly earth shaking accomplishments, and they were leaning towards going to Durban until it became obvious, even to them, that it was a bad idea.

Zero is still batting .000 on my score card.

180 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:49:50am

re: #176 Pietr

I'd consider going to my warm sand, but LoL is not gonna put up with that 2 nights in a row...:>))

tell her you were testing fruitcup... %-)

181 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:51:02am

re: #179 redc1c4

defending the status quo and allowing the military to do their j*b are hardly earth shaking accomplishments, and they were leaning towards going to Durban until it became obvious, even to them, that it was a bad idea.

Zero is still batting .000 on my score card.

Trust me, I know that much.

But I figure, hey, the guy's a piece of shit, so take the positives when we can get 'em.

Batting .005 for me, and nowhere NEAR Ted Williams' .406.

182 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:51:03am

re: #170 TheMatrix31

Retest of March 9 Lows Likely

Initial jobless claims rise; continuing claims hit new record

With unemployment still going up... that leads me to suspect that equity markets will struggle to keep their gains. Yeah, I know, equity markets have a paramutual betting mind-set to them now (more so than when I was young), but still, economic recovery seems to be a ways off.

183 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:52:05am

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

At least it's not a sperm bank.

/ q=

184 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:52:54am

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

Good catch.

185 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:55:24am

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

I always thought Banco Santander ADR had the most unfortunate ticker symbol EVER!

That reminds me of a license plate I saw the other day with a friend of mine – SRIQ4 (on a BMW). It was obviously a custom plate, but we couldn't quite figure out what it meant.

While the car was still in front of us, our best guess was that the guy owned a business called SRI, and he bought the BMW with his 4th quarter profits (Q4).

I was still thinking about it while we were at dinner, much later on, and all of the sudden, it hit me!

I said to my friend, "Remember that license plate we couldn't figure out? SRIQ4? I just figured it out – say it backwards!"
;)

186 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:57:08am

re: #182 freetoken

Initial jobless claims rise; continuing claims hit new record

With unemployment still going up... that leads me to suspect that equity markets will struggle to keep their gains. Yeah, I know, equity markets have a paramutual betting mind-set to them now (more so than when I was young), but still, economic recovery seems to be a ways off.

local businesses are all having sales, except those that are going out of business entirely. more empty store fronts than ever before. local apartments/condos have multiple vacancies with "move in specials" where there used to be waiting lists. local car ads are hyping "we'll pay your note if you lose your j*b"... 9 to 12 months.

not at all reassuring.

187 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:57:12am

re: #183 laZardo

At least it's not a sperm bank.

/ q=

*RIMSHOT*

188 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:57:33am

re: #179 redc1c4

re: #181 TheMatrix31


And nobody's dealt him the high inside heat yet...

189 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:58:24am

re: #187 gmsc

If you think that's bad, you can catch 16,335 different kinds for only a dollar.

190 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:58:54am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

re: #181 TheMatrix31

And nobody's dealt him the high inside heat yet...

well, at least he doesn't have to wear a cup.

/white smoke

191 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 1:59:43am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

re: #181 TheMatrix31

And nobody's dealt him the high inside heat yet...

My guess is, he'll strike the fuck out and the stick he'll be using to swing with that Teddy Roosevelt was speaking of will fly into the fifth row on the third base side.

192 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:00:23am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

193 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:00:43am

re: #186 redc1c4

local businesses are all having sales, except those that are going out of business entirely. more empty store fronts than ever before. local apartments/condos have multiple vacancies with "move in specials" where there used to be waiting lists. local car ads are hyping "we'll pay your note if you lose your j*b"... 9 to 12 months.

not at all reassuring.

You guys should see my Baskin-Robbins. We're doing HORRIBLY. Horrible doesn't even begin to describe it. My boss is in deep despair.

Such a shame.

194 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:00:55am

re: #191 TheMatrix31

My guess is, he'll strike the fuck out and the stick he'll be using to swing with that Teddy Roosevelt was speaking of will fly into the fifth row on the third base side.

not to mention the fact that the only way he'll ever get a base on balls is if WAB is pinch hitting for him.

/white smoke

195 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:02:15am

re: #192 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy! Thanks!

Wait – 2 second ago it was 1:30. How did it get to be 2 so quick?

196 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:02:23am

re: #193 TheMatrix31

You guys should see my Baskin-Robbins. We're doing HORRIBLY. Horrible doesn't even begin to describe it. My boss is in deep despair.

Such a shame.

westwood area, right? the high end restaurants in my area are noticeably down in traffic too. when they advertise booze discounts, they're in the shit.

197 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:03:00am

HI littleoldlady! Thank you.

198 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:03:12am

gmsc! :-)

Time flies when you're having fun waiting for fruitcup!

199 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:03:33am

BatGuano! :-)

200 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:03:37am

re: #191 TheMatrix31

My guess is, he'll strike the fuck out and the stick he'll be using to swing with that Teddy Roosevelt was speaking of will fly into the fifth row on the third base side.

the stick will wind up on the first base side: he's a lefty. %-)

201 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:04:02am

re: #186 redc1c4

not at all reassuring.

No, it isn't.

Don't know how it is up in your part of the state, but down here in SD county I've not seen hardly any new construction. There are a few large apartment buildings being finished in some prime (centrally located) spots, the cream of the crop so to speak, but otherwise construction is hard to find.

The Navy employment is pretty steady, and the government contracting supporting it, which has always helped SD county compared to the inland counties. I was in downtown San Diego the other day and noticed some shops were empty that were still in business a few months before.

202 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:04:08am

re: #195 gmsc

Yummy! Thanks!

Wait – 2 second ago it was 1:30. How did it get to be 2 so quick?

SCIENCE!

203 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:04:26am

re: #192 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thanks- glad I lasted long enough for this...

204 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:05:37am

re: #192 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thankee Kindly, LoL...:>))

205 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:06:11am

re: #201 freetoken

No, it isn't.

Don't know how it is up in your part of the state, but down here in SD county I've not seen hardly any new construction. There are a few large apartment buildings being finished in some prime (centrally located) spots, the cream of the crop so to speak, but otherwise construction is hard to find.

The Navy employment is pretty steady, and the government contracting supporting it, which has always helped SD county compared to the inland counties. I was in downtown San Diego the other day and noticed some shops were empty that were still in business a few months before.

some construction, but some appears to be stalled, and many that were finished recently are still tryng to sell out... the market for 600K condos overlooking the gas station seems to have died down some. %-)

206 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:06:14am

re: #196 redc1c4

westwood area, right? the high end restaurants in my area are noticeably down in traffic too. when they advertise booze discounts, they're in the shit.

Meanwhile, I'm sure the buddies of George Soros and 0bama think This Is The Life.

207 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:06:44am

re: #203 Fenway_Nation

Thanks- glad I lasted long enough for this...

you took a pill then?

208 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:07:21am

Fenway! :-)

Pietr! :-)

209 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:08:15am

re: #208 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Pietr! :-)

btw, LoL: the late Mel Lono says "hi"...

210 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:09:20am

re: #196 redc1c4

westwood area, right? the high end restaurants in my area are noticeably down in traffic too. when they advertise booze discounts, they're in the shit.

Nah, Baskin Encino. Still a stuffy neighborhood. Since Baskin stopped letting us carry non-fat, no-sugar-added yogurt, our business has been even worse. Moms would come in, get their yogurt so they can "stay fit and look good" (demographic of course) and they'd have their kids look at cakes for their birthdays.

No yogurt + no cakes + shit economics = Bad magumbo.

211 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:10:34am

red! :-)

LATE? Late to the table? What means LATE?

212 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:10:44am

re: #192 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Hey, snacktime!

213 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:10:56am

re: #202 redc1c4

SCIENCE!

littleoldlady blinded me with science?

214 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:12:36am

Good morning, Littleoldlady!

215 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:12:48am

re: #198 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

Time flies when you're having fun waiting for fruitcup!

That reminds me of a program taking about the Beijing Olympics last year. They were talking about the official time keepers, and the announcer said, "These are the souls that time men's trys."

216 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:14:48am

re: #215 gmsc

That reminds me of a program taking about the Beijing Olympics last year. They were talking about the official time keepers, and the announcer said, "These are the souls that time men's trys."

Guess BO isn't the only one scripted, and on teleprompter...:>))

217 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:16:07am

re: #212 freetoken

VERY nice, freetoken! :-)

Matrix! :-)

218 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:16:23am

re: #216 Pietr

Guess BO isn't the only one scripted, and on teleprompter...:>))

Best line I've heard about that: "I've seen Bob Hope rely less on cue cards than 0bama does on his teleprompter!"

219 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:18:58am

Somebody's Karma just went to 8006.

220 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:19:02am

re: #210 TheMatrix31

Nah, Baskin Encino. Still a stuffy neighborhood. Since Baskin stopped letting us carry non-fat, no-sugar-added yogurt, our business has been even worse. Moms would come in, get their yogurt so they can "stay fit and look good" (demographic of course) and they'd have their kids look at cakes for their birthdays.

No yogurt + no cakes + shit economics = Bad magumbo.


you on the Blvd?... that was a st00pid marketing move.

what shift do you w*rk? i can always stop by and say "hi".

/east of the 405 SoB

221 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:20:31am

re: #211 littleoldlady

red! :-)

LATE? Late to the table? What means LATE?

as in "the stick".

222 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:20:32am

Still at the office.

Yawn.

BTW--Fox webpage says North Korea is a nuclear power now. joy.

223 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:21:34am

re: #219 BatGuano

I'd like to put my karma to bed. Or, at least give it a high-ball.

224 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:21:57am

re: #221 redc1c4

Oy. Well that was Possibility #2. (Possibility #3 was much worse.)

/wha' happened?

225 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:22:25am

re: #219 BatGuano

Somebody's Karma just went to 8006.

:)

..and in the same week I made LGF's 5-digit club!

//1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . 4 . . . 5
//You're great.
//You're great.

226 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:23:10am

re: #225 gmsc

:)

..and in the same week I made LGF's 5-digit club!

//1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . 4 . . . 5
//You're great.
//You're great.

Five-digit club? You deserve a hand. ;)

227 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:23:56am

re: #222 calcajun

Still at the office.

Yawn.

BTW--Fox webpage says North Korea is a nuclear power now. joy.

well, we all know that Faux news is just a pawn of the NeoCon ChimpyMcHalliburton Bushitler attempt to sestroy Amerikkka, but Teh 0n3 is going to save us from all that with his smart deplomacy and unclenched fists.

228 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:24:46am

re: #223 calcajun

I'd like to put my karma to bed. Or, at least give it a high-ball.

maybe you could settle for a teabag?

/white smoke

229 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:25:06am

re: #220 redc1c4

you on the Blvd?... that was a st00pid marketing move.

what shift do you w*rk? i can always stop by and say "hi".

/east of the 405 SoB

Yep, I work on the weekends usually.

230 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:25:29am

Friday day, Sat night.

231 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:25:36am

re: #226 calcajun

Five-digit club? You deserve a hand. ;)

*RIMSHOT*

232 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:26:08am

re: #227 redc1c4

Well, I grew up in NOLA where the Russian could hit us with nukes that weren't really supposed to be in Cuba. Now, I'm living in SoCal where a little twerp can hit us with rockets that are not supposed to fly.

Hey--it really is the 1970's again.

233 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:26:48am

re: #228 redc1c4

maybe you could settle for a teabag?

/white smoke

Argh.

234 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:28:00am

re: #225 gmsc

Grim Milestones 'R Us!

Mazel Tov! :-)

235 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:28:10am

re: #232 calcajun

Well, I grew up in NOLA where the Russian could hit us with nukes that weren't really supposed to be in Cuba. Now, I'm living in SoCal where a little twerp can hit us with rockets that are not supposed to fly.

Hey--it really is the 1970's again.

No, in the '70s, we had oil problems created by the federal government, high taxation, a democrat congress and a democrat president, who was an idiot when it came to just about any kind of effective policy and . . .

. . . Oh, wait – you may be right after all!

236 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:29:29am

re: #228 redc1c4

maybe you could settle for a teabag?

/white smoke

Are you offering to serve, red?

/Lotsa White smoke, dives thru trapdoor into tunnel...

237 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:29:29am

re: #235 gmsc

Fuckin'A bubba, well told.

238 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:30:25am

re: #235 gmsc

Probably not.

Back in the 70s, the music was good.

239 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:30:57am

re: #234 littleoldlady

Grim Milestones 'R Us!

Mazel Tov! :-)

"Bottoms up from right to left."
-Hawkeye Pierce on M*A*S*H, when asked what "L'Chaim" meant.
;)

240 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:31:41am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Oy. Well that was Possibility #2. (Possibility #3 was much worse.)

/wha' happened?

he was helping 2H6 and myself sail Slokat's yacht up the coast with SK and his wife.

as to what happened here, all i can say is he posted something that wasn't appreciated. i wasn't there when it happened and it isn't my site.

for a lawyer and a service academy grad, he seems nice enough. he and SK did the ironman leg around Cojo in the middle of the night... so he can sail, that's for sure. knowing my limitations, i went below about 0100 and woke up at EMNT, which is when they started to fade.

241 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:32:19am

re: #238 laZardo

Probably not.

Back in the 70s, the music was good.

Are you sure about that?

242 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:32:28am

re: #230 TheMatrix31

Friday day, Sat night.

cross street?

243 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:33:02am

re: #241 gmsc

Are you sure about that?

still better than disco.

244 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:33:13am

re: #241 gmsc

In that case, too early to tell.

It's not quite Friday night here. q:

245 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:33:48am

re: #237 BatGuano

Fuckin'A bubba, well told.

Thanks!
:)

246 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:33:51am

re: #242 redc1c4

cross street?

I'll email that to ya.

247 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:33:58am

re: #238 laZardo

Probably not.

Back in the 70s, the music was good.

disco *still* sucks.

248 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:34:04am

re: #234 littleoldlady

And aside from that...

/brain just kicked in (YAY)
//I really CAN do simple math without taking off my shoes (DOUBLE YAY)

A 4:5 karma-to-post ratio?! Holy cannoli! I bet you win the prize for that!

249 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:35:06am

re: #236 Pietr

Are you offering to serve, red?

/Lotsa White smoke, dives thru trapdoor into tunnel...

setting off the booby traps, and disappearing in a ball of fire and smoke.

250 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:35:25am

re: #235 gmsc

You catch on quickly.

251 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:35:51am

re: #247 redc1c4

It was bad then. It will be bad again.

252 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:36:12am

re: #246 TheMatrix31

I'll email that to ya.

Hmm...blue name does not lead to e-mail, lol.

253 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:36:50am

re: #246 TheMatrix31

I'll email that to ya.

OPSEC... no prob. i'll come by for lunch tomorrow. %-)

look for the fat bastard in shorts & a Hawaiian shirt or tacky T-shirt.

254 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:37:01am

re: #240 redc1c4

Youse guyz sure do have fun out there in LaLaLand!

I'll miss him. :-( Tell him I say "hi" the next time you go sailing.

255 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:37:13am

re: #248 littleoldlady

And aside from that...

/brain just kicked in (YAY)
//I really CAN do simple math without taking off my shoes (DOUBLE YAY)

A 4:5 karma-to-post ratio?! Holy cannoli! I bet you win the prize for that!

I think Sharmuta, Charles and a few others have me beat in the karma-to-post ratio game, but I figure mine means I'm doing good, and that being me is working.

256 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:38:16am

re: #252 TheMatrix31

Hmm...blue name does not lead to e-mail, lol.

try adding an sbcglobal "dot" net along with an at symbol to my nick... that usually w*rks. %-)

257 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:38:49am

re: #254 littleoldlady

Youse guyz sure do have fun out there in LaLaLand!

I'll miss him. :-( Tell him I say "hi" the next time you go sailing.

i can hook you up with an email addy, if you want.

258 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:39:35am

re: #239 gmsc

Here's L'Chaim

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

259 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:40:16am

Cool, dunno what time I'm going in tomorrow. Gotta get to class in the morning then I'm heading over there and hopefully be there by 12:30 or something like that.

260 freetoken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:41:41am

Must bid adieu... sleep well all.

261 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:42:36am

re: #260 freetoken

Must bid adieu... sleep well all.


[Video]

Goodnight, freetoken!

262 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:43:28am

re: #259 TheMatrix31

Cool, dunno what time I'm going in tomorrow. Gotta get to class in the morning then I'm heading over there and hopefully be there by 12:30 or something like that.

that's about when i get up... %-)

263 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:44:17am

re: #262 redc1c4

that's about when i get up... %-)

LOL. I wish I was getting up then. Friday morning classes are shit.

264 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:44:45am

re: #260 freetoken

Must bid adieu... sleep well all.


[Video]

speaking of sleep, i should go check on my little rodent friends...

brb!

265 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:46:48am

re: #263 TheMatrix31

LOL. I wish I was getting up then. Friday morning classes are shit.

it'd likely help if'n you went to bed thrusday night instead of fryday morning...

just a thought. %-)

266 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:46:53am

re: #258 BatGuano

Here's L'Chaim

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Ever see MAD Magazine's update of Fiddler On The Roof? It was an updated version called "Antenna on the Roof".

It opened with a parody of the "Matchmaker" song in a psychiatrist's office:

"Headshrinker, headshrinker, I'm such a mess!
Two-car garage! Massive success! . . ."

267 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:47:56am

Morning, mornin. If you aren't having fun yet, do worry you soon will be - whether your up-for-it or not is quite immaterial.

Rosa Brooks is going to be writing defense policy.

7 Uighers -current residents of Gitmo- may be be released in Virginia - naturally, they don’t pose any significant security problems. /

…and it seems the Obamatron’s in zee Vhitehoss are going to release a round of photo’s detailing prisoner abuse at facilities other than Abu Ghraib.

So...how are your preparations coming for summer?

268 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:48:43am

re: #265 redc1c4

it'd likely help if'n you went to bed thrusday night instead of fryday morning...

just a thought. %-)

Meh, screw it. I slept 15 hours last night/today.

269 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:50:43am

re: #255 gmsc

"Being me" - always a good plan! ;-)

270 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:51:47am

re: #257 redc1c4

Yes, but next week, please? I'll lose it if you give it to me now

/my behind is so behind! :-(

271 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:52:15am

Sleep well tonight, your air force is awake.

[Link: pioneer1.xanga.com...]

272 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:53:22am

aboo! :-)

I finally planted the veggie seeds.

/I figure we'll have to wait to eat until August...

273 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:54:12am

re: #266 gmsc

No I didn't see that. I have fond memories of Mad magazine going back to the Mid sixties.

274 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:54:13am

re: #267 aboo-Hoo-Hoo


So...how are your preparations coming for summer?

the pool is in the mid-80*s and i'll be test driving the blenders and smoothie machines this weekend. the wind frig is holding a steady 36* and the grilll has been in use all winter.

/ready!

275 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:54:15am

Time for a little wake up music, from the "Crazy World of Arthur Brown":

276 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:54:47am

re: #275 Pietr

Fire!

277 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:55:18am

re: #270 littleoldlady

Yes, but next week, please? I'll lose it if you give it to me now

/my behind is so behind! :-(

remind me... i'm likely not to 'member.

/halfzimers

278 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:55:52am

re: #273 BatGuano

No I didn't see that. I have fond memories of Mad magazine going back to the Mid sixties.

if you can remember the 60's you weren't there.

279 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:56:42am

re: #273 BatGuano

No I didn't see that. I have fond memories of Mad magazine going back to the Mid sixties.

It was originally published in the 1973 issue, and has been reprinted in many books and special issues since. It's a riot!

Oh, the artist drew the best caricature of Zero Mostel I've ever seen!

/Going to dig out some old MAD Magazines to go through now . . .

280 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:57:49am

re: #270 littleoldlady

Yes, but next week, please? I'll lose it if you give it to me now

/my behind is so behind! :-(

Need a memory boost? Start reading my posts from the beginning of this thread. That should help.

281 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:58:17am

re: #278 redc1c4

Oh, I remember! February, 9th, 1964 for example.

282 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:58:58am

re: #280 gmsc

Need a memory boost? Start reading my posts from the beginning of this thread. That should help.

i'll get the suicide hotline on hold while she starts.

283 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:59:20am

re: #279 gmsc

I wish I had my old Mad magazines. Moved to often as a kid.

284 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:59:25am

Another day, another SD40-2 of Canadian Pacific lineage for sale.

By the way, what's the latest with Alberta Oil Peon? There's a Canadian National railway line between Calgary and Saskatoon and the CN has effectively ended through freigh service on that portion, filing notice to abandon roughly 180 miles of trackage from suburban Calgary to just short of the Alberta/Saskatchewan border (all CN traffic to and from Calgary would be rerouted through Edmonton on CN's Transcontinental mailine). I honestly hope nobody's stupid enough to pull up the rails forever on the line that's being abandoned...

Since Canadian National doesn't want the trackage, it might be as good an opportunity as any for a local short-haul operator to step in and try and generate some shipping from local farms and industries along the line. I think an Alberta-based operator would be more successful (and have more of a vested interest) in wooing shippers than one that's based all the way over in Montreal.

There's also another aspect that Canadian National couldn't take advantage of when they were operators of the line: tourism. The line passes through Alberta's scenic badlands and is near Drumheller and the Dinosaur Valley (I'll let you guess how it came by that name). Granted the area isn't as popular a tourist destination as Jasper or Banff, but there's certainly alot of potential. And even when the economy was better, the market was saturated with secondhand passenger equipment. For the tourist trains, the hypothetical Alberta-based operator could purchase those Buddliners that the Alaska Railway is set to retire...or even better, coax the Calgary-based Rocky Mountain Rail Society to operate restored 4-8-2 steam locomotive 6060 on trackage that's a little closer and in better shape than what she normally operates on in Stettler- even though there's another steam locomotive on site there (I'd hate to preserve the Drumheller sub at the expense of Stettler-based Alberta Prarie Railway Excusrions).

Even better, since Hollywierd loves to inflict themselves on Canada, parts of the line could be used for movie shoots for anything requiring a train in an 'Old West' type setting.

As for freight, that's probably the more daunting prospect. If there was sufficient online shipping, CN probably wouldn't have felt it neccecary to abandon it...but as I mentioned earlier, it might be easier for an Alberta-based operator to coax shippers back to rail from truck. There's also the possibility of running CN's freight overhead between Calgary and Saskatoon...maybe negotiate the purchase or lease of the entire right-of-way between the two cities.

And if all that fails, then the railway can just hold out for anywhere from two to 12 years and be purchased back by Canadian National like they did with Savage Alberta, New Brunswick East Coast, Ottawa Central and Chemin de fer de la Matapédia et Golfe...

Besides...can Canada's prarie provinces be any more hostile to business than the White House and Congress?

285 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 2:59:57am

re: #281 BatGuano

Oh, I remember! February, 9th, 1964 for example.

first time you got hit in the head?

286 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:00:15am

re: #277 redc1c4

WHOLEzheimers.

/this old age sucks... :-(

287 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:00:44am

listening to: Pink Floyd- Is there Anybody Out There

288 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:00:47am

Five Surgeons from big cities are discussing who makes the

best patients to operate on.

The first surgeon, from New York , says, 'I like to see

accountants on my operating table, because when you open

them up, everything inside is numbered'.


The second, from Chicago , responds, 'Yeah, but you

should try electricians! Everything inside them is color

coded'.


The third surgeon, from Dallas , says, 'No, I really

think librarians are the best, everything inside them is in

alphabetical order'.


The fourth surgeon, from Los Angeles chimes in: 'You

know, I like construction workers...those guys always understand

when you have a few parts left over'.


But the fifth surgeon, from Washington , DC shut them all

up when he observed: 'You're all wrong. Politicians

are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no

heart, no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and

the ass are interchangeable'.

289 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:01:25am

re: #282 redc1c4

Bwahahaha! (Thanks, red!)

290 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:02:29am

re: #286 littleoldlady

WHOLEzheimers.

/this old age sucks... :-(

and then it swallows.

/white smoke

291 littleoldlady  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:02:58am

That's it for me.

/sob!

Good day, ALL!™

292 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:03:27am

re: #285 redc1c4

No the 12th. But it coincided with the Beatles appearance on the Ed Sullivan show. How many times were you hit in the head?

293 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:04:13am

And if my #284 didn't put you lizards to sleep, I don't know what will...

294 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:04:21am

re: #291 littleoldlady

Happy Trails, littleoldlady.

295 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:05:49am

re: #292 BatGuano

No the 12th. But it coincided with the Beatles appearance on the Ed Sullivan show. How many times were you hit in the head?

it doesn't really matter: no brain, no pain.

i'd be the unstoppable zombie

296 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:05:59am
297 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:07:40am

re: #291 littleoldlady


Nighty night, littleoldlady!

298 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:07:58am

re: #293 Fenway_Nation

And if my #284 didn't put you lizards to sleep, I don't know what will...

i like trains... pretty much the only family vacation we ever took when i was a kid was via train to Denver & back... D&RGW baby!

ever ride the Durango/Silverton line?

299 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:08:10am

re: #284 Fenway_Nation

Even better, since Hollywierd loves to inflict themselves on Canada, parts of the line could be used for movie shoots for anything requiring a train in an 'Old West' type setting.

Nah - for an oldwest train they always go to Jamestown, California for Engine No. 3 of the Historic Sierra Railroad.

Think I'm kidding? Remember the Cannonball from Petticoat Junction? Remember the train from High Noon, The Virginian, Unforgiven, Bad Girls, The Wild, Wild West, Little House on the Prarie and Back To The Future Part III? Those are all the same train – Ole #3!

300 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:08:57am

re: #291 littleoldlady

That's it for me.

/sob!

Good day, ALL!™

Good night, littleoldlady!

301 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:10:21am

re: #291 littleoldlady

Have a Pleasant Day, littleoldlady...take a break from the chores occassionally...:>))

302 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:10:27am

re: #299 gmsc

Nah - for an oldwest train they always go to Jamestown, California for Engine No. 3 of the Historic Sierra Railroad.

Think I'm kidding? Remember the Cannonball from Petticoat Junction? Remember the train from High Noon, The Virginian, Unforgiven, Bad Girls, The Wild, Wild West, Little House on the Prarie and Back To The Future Part III? Those are all the same train – Ole #3!

and if they're really lazy, they just go to Filmore CA.

303 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:10:57am

re: #299 gmsc

I remember all of those. I'm going to Jamestown! I love Hooterville.

304 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:11:46am

re: #303 BatGuano

I love saying, Hooterville.

305 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:13:47am

Morning Lizards.

306 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:13:53am

re: #304 BatGuano

I love saying, Hooterville.

tit's a nice sound, but it would be breast if you didn't over do it, so best be nip it in the bud, as it were. %-)

307 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:14:47am

Morning. I love Fridays. I start at 6:00AM and am outta my Office by 1:00PM.

308 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:15:56am

re: #299 gmsc

Yea...and come to think of it, 6060 isn't 'Old West' enough. More like 'spent WWII hauling troop trains'.

Still, they'd make the trip up north if the exchange rate was in their favor (the Drumheller city website has a special section on filming in the area).

If anyone can come up with $640K, they can get the Baldwin 2-8-2 that was in Emperor of the North and Stand By Me- last kept in Northern California, IIRC.

309 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:15:58am

re: #307 Nevergiveup

Morning. I love Fridays. I start at 6:00AM and am outta my Office by 1:00PM.

/intelligent design!

310 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:16:03am

re: #304 BatGuano

I love saying, Hooterville.

We'll have to get you to Vegas sometime soon, then.
;)

Here's more info on that train, too.

311 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:16:47am

11:49 Australian archbishop bans Jewish jokes among parishoners (DPA)

But did you hear the one about the ...

312 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:17:48am

re: #311 Nevergiveup

11:49 Australian archbishop bans Jewish jokes among parishoners (DPA)

But did you hear the one about the ...

that doesn't sound kosher to me.

313 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:19:19am

re: #310 gmsc

Even though I was only 9, I wanted to boink the middle sister. I think it was Billie Joe, but it doesn't matter.

314 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:21:40am

re: #313 BatGuano

Even though I was only 9, I wanted to boink the middle sister. I think it was Billie Joe, but it doesn't matter.

I always wanted the redhead, and I only saw it in reruns!

315 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:22:01am

Experts: North Korea a Fully Fledged Nuclear Power

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Chalk up another "success" for talking?

316 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:22:15am

fruitcup? check

zapped at least one rat? check

day shift staggering in? check

hasta, yall...

L8r!

317 redc1c4  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:22:48am

re: #315 Nevergiveup

Experts: North Korea a Fully Fledged Nuclear Power

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Chalk up another "success" for talking?

"It's all Bush's Fault!"

/ahead of the curve

318 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:24:38am

re: #314 gmsc

Oh, hell !I wanted them all at the same time!

319 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:25:47am

Obviously that article is lying, it's from FOX NEWS!

//

320 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:25:55am

re: #318 BatGuano

Billie Joe, Betty Joe and Bobbie Joe?

321 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:26:03am

re: #316 redc1c4

fruitcup? check

zapped at least one rat? check

day shift staggering in? check

hasta, yall...

L8r!

L8rs, red...(for absent friends)...


322 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:26:52am

Good morning, Lizards.

323 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:27:16am

re: #298 redc1c4

Nope- altho' that's on my 'to-do' list along with the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic, San Luis and Rio Grande and a bunch of others in Colorado alone.

I made a special trip up to British Columbia about 7 years ago because VIA-Rail's Vancouver Island Malahat apparently had less than a month to go before it would get the axe. I skipped BC Rail's more extensive service between N. Vancouver and Prince George (both of which were powered by vintage Budd RDC railcars) in order to ride the Malahat.

7 years later, the Malahat is still running...the service got some sort of reprieve...while BC Rail is no more. It- along with US Railways Wisconsin Central, Bessemer & Lake Erie, Illinois Central and Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range- were taken over by Canadian National. CN still operates BC Rail's Rince George-N.Vancouver line, but it's exclusively freight-only these days...

324 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:27:38am

re: #321 Pietr

Good night,fellow Moody Blues Admirer.

325 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:27:45am

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

326 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:28:20am

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning, Goddess.

327 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:29:25am

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good AM to you, GotC...are you TGIF?

328 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:29:30am

re: #325 rightside

{goddess}

{rightside}
{Fenway Nation}
{BatGuano}
{Pietr}
{The Martix31}

329 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:29:53am

Barbara Streisand in 67 years old today. I will keep my mouth shut. My mom taught me if ya can't say anything nice about an old ugly sagging stupid commie rat bastard, then don't say anything at all. And I always listen to my mom.

330 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:30:39am

re: #329 Nevergiveup

LOL, I'm with you on that!

331 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:31:14am

re: #329 Nevergiveup

Thank you for taking the high road. :)

332 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:31:23am

re: #308 Fenway_Nation

Shit...would probably help if I provided a link;

*In best Troy McLure voiceover as I can muster*

This is Baldwin 2-8-2 #19...you might recognize me from such movies as Emperor of the North and Stand By Me.

333 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:31:34am

re: #271 BatGuano

Sleep well tonight, your air force is awake.

Still out drinking, are they?//

334 gmsc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:32:02am

re: #316 redc1c4

fruitcup? check

zapped at least one rat? check

day shift staggering in? check

hasta, yall...

L8r!

Good night, red!

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning, goddess!

I'm off to sleep now.

Good night, all!

335 calcajun  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:32:33am

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

It for those of you who had sleep. I'm STILL at the bleeding office.

336 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:32:56am

Morning rightside, goddess, nevergiveup!

337 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:33:02am

re: #334 gmsc

Good night, {gmsc}

338 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:33:28am

re: #334 gmsc

Okay gmsc, let the brain shift into idle, and get some restfull REM sleep...:>))

339 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #335 calcajun

{calcajun}

340 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:34:23am

re: #333 calcajun

They do drink; but they're ready.

341 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:34:58am

re: #334 gmsc

Goodnight. gmsc.

342 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:36:46am

Good morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I have been and will continue to be scarce around here. :( I am busy with the hand over of my business and tying up loose ends for my Big American Adventure. Still have not booked the tickets but am looking at the 10th of June as a departure date.

I hope everyone is well :)

343 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:38:11am

re: #342 Erik The Red

I take it you cast your ballot for Jacob Zuma...

344 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:38:43am

re: #343 Fenway_Nation


Forgot the sarc tag...

/

345 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:40:02am

re: #343 Fenway_Nation

I take it you cast your ballot for Jacob Zuma...

New key board need FN. Now covered in Coke. And boy it does burn when it shoots out your nose.

346 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:42:05am

re: #343 Fenway_Nation

Fancies himself Shaka does he?

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:42:45am

Ready to rock! Anybody here?

348 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:43:13am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

{FBV{

Good morning!

349 haakondahl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:43:37am

re: #308 Fenway_Nation

If anyone can come up with $640K, they can get the Baldwin 2-8-2 that was in Emperor of the North and Stand By Me- last kept in Northern California, IIRC.

After all, 640K should be enough for anybody.

350 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:44:02am

re: #329 Nevergiveup

Barbara Streisand in 67 years old today. I will keep my mouth shut. My mom taught me if ya can't say anything nice about an old ugly sagging stupid commie rat bastard, then don't say anything at all. And I always listen to my mom.

Isn't she on TV this weekend with a concert?

351 haakondahl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:44:41am

re: #312 redc1c4

that doesn't sound kosher to me.


Now you're just hamming.

352 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:45:05am

re: #328 goddessoftheclassroom

{rightside}
{Fenway Nation}
{BatGuano}
{Pietr}
{The Martix31}

Good morning :)

353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:45:48am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom

Hiya.

354 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:45:52am

Good Morning LGF.

355 haakondahl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:46:07am

re: #350 yesandno

Isn't she on TV this weekend with a concert?

His Mom?

356 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:47:17am

re: #355 haakondahl

His Mom?

Would make for better TV, no doubt!

357 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:47:44am

Seriously, after the takeover of South Africa by the ANC in the early nineties and Winnie Mandela's condoning of necklacing, the news from South Africa has dried up. Anybody know what is going on there?

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:47:59am

I spent the day yesterday in the hills and vales and mountains and hollows of southwestern West Virginia. The squalor there is just beyond words. Is very, very sad.

359 haakondahl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:48:43am

re: #299 gmsc

Nah - for an oldwest train they always go to Jamestown, California for Engine No. 3 of the Historic Sierra Railroad.

Think I'm kidding? Remember the Cannonball from Petticoat Junction? Remember the train from High Noon, The Virginian, Unforgiven, Bad Girls, The Wild, Wild West, Little House on the Prarie and Back To The Future Part III? Those are all the same train – Ole #3!

Interestingly, the engine actually began by filming Back to the Future III, then time-traveled to the other sets.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:48:57am

re: #357 BatGuano

I know that Erik is getting the hell out!

361 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:49:57am

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

God speed, Eric.

362 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:50:08am

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

{Spare O'Lake}

363 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:51:03am

re: #357 BatGuano

Seriously, after the takeover of South Africa by the ANC in the early nineties and Winnie Mandela's condoning of necklacing, the news from South Africa has dried up. Anybody know what is going on there?

I am here in S.Africa. No international news is great. If the MFM had to report all the shit we go through our investments would stop. All I want in the MFM is that S. Africa is hosting the 2010 WC.

364 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:53:52am

Close only counts in a game of horseshoes or hand grenades:

[Link: www.google.com...]

365 Bubblehead II  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:55:19am

Morning all. This is some good news.

Pakistani Taliban pull back to Swat stronghold

*snip*

"We told them that we have a deal, we have a peace agreement. We told them not to become a tool in the hands of someone aiming at sabotaging the peace in the region," Javed told The Associated Press by telephone from Buner.

/gee, I wonder who that may be.

366 TheMatrix31  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 3:55:31am

re: #363 Erik The Red

I am here in S.Africa. No international news is great. If the MFM had to report all the shit we go through our investments would stop. All I want in the MFM is that S. Africa is hosting the 2010 WC.

Can't wait for the 2010 World Cup!

367 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:00:48am

re: #366 TheMatrix31

Can't wait for the 2010 World Cup!

S. Africa will do a great job. I am worried about what happens after the WC. The government is spending billions of Rands on infrastructure that will cost a lot of money to maintain in the future. They will say and do all the right things running up to the WC. After that I see a monumental shift to the far left after the WC. To many social imbalances here not to go more socialistic.

368 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:02:28am

re: #367 Erik The Red

S. Africa will do a great job. I am worried about what happens after the WC. The government is spending billions of Rands on infrastructure that will cost a lot of money to maintain in the future. They will say and do all the right things running up to the WC. After that I see a monumental shift to the far left after the WC. To many social imbalances here not to go more socialistic.

You have a tax base here of about 4 million people. S. Africa has a population of over 40 million. We will get hosed in the future.

369 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:02:49am

re: #356 yesandno

Would make for better TV, no doubt!

Ah, you never met my mom?

370 Bullskin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:02:51am
371 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:06:08am

re: #368 Erik The Red

I'm pleased you have the WC. The US has made a lurch to the left. It looks like our fortunes will paralell.

372 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:06:45am

re: #357 BatGuano

Seriously, after the takeover of South Africa by the ANC in the early nineties and Winnie Mandela's condoning of necklacing, the news from South Africa has dried up. Anybody know what is going on there?

Wait until ya get a load of Jacob Zuma. Wowsers! Bob Mugabe without the coat and tie.

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:08:07am

re: #371 BatGuano

Many people in SW West Virginia lack WC's.

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:09:01am

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. World Cup. Duh...
/

375 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:09:44am

re: #372 razorbacker

I've researched him. Is he from Illinois?

376 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:09:56am

re: #304 BatGuano

I love saying, Hooterville.

Heh. Local drug slang for smoking pot. You were 'taking a ride to Hooterville'...'cause it made ya kinda simple, but also made all the girls look pretty.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:10:38am

re: #376 razorbacker

Bobby Jo was my favorite. Always thought she was purdy.

378 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:10:49am

HA! A Pakistani immigrant to NY has been sentenced to six years for beaming Hizb'Allah into America.

379 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:11:05am

re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

were you thinking water closet?

380 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:11:45am

re: #375 BatGuano

I'll not comment, because sometimes factual statements can sound racist.

But Lordy, if David Duke was looking for a bad example he could do no better than Mr. Zuma.

381 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:12:14am

re: #371 BatGuano

I'm pleased you have the WC. The US has made a lurch to the left. It looks like our fortunes will paralell.

re: #372 razorbacker

Wait until ya get a load of Jacob Zuma. Wowsers! Bob Mugabe without the coat and tie.

The difference is that the US will go back to the center/right. Here it will continue to slide slowly to the left just like most of the rest of The Dark Continent.

Bob is a Despot. I don't see Zuma in the same light. I don't see any radical changes in the near future. The ANC has kept it's 23rds majority but not as strong as the last election. I see the next election in 5 years time as the tipping point here.

382 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:12:21am

re: #378 MandyManners

HA! A Pakistani immigrant to NY has been sentenced to six years for beaming Hizb'Allah into America.

Watching FOX I see?

383 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:12:42am

re: #376 razorbacker

I'll be damned.

384 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:13:26am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bobby Jo was my favorite. Always thought she was purdy.

Good Morning, FBV.
I wouldn't have kicked any 1 of them outta bed for eating crackers-unless it was because there was more room on the floor...

/white smoke...

385 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:14:52am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that was my favorite too, Dark eyes, dark hair..?

386 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:15:23am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bobby Jo was my favorite. Always thought she was purdy.

Between those three girls and Daisy Duke, it's a wonder the country didn't have a population density to rival downtown Tokyo.

Like the man said, "Makes it hard to think when you're looking straight at her."

387 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:15:37am

re: #382 Nevergiveup

Watching FOX I see?

You betcha'!

388 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:16:42am

Oil Change instructions for Women:

1) Drive into Ultra Tune when the odometer reaches 10,000 kilometres since
the last oil change.
2) Drink a cup of coffee , read free paper.
3) 15 minutes later, write a cheque and leave with a properly maintained
vehicle.

Money spent:
Oil Change: $140.00
Coffee: $2.00 (Free at the joint I go to)
Total: $142.00

Oil Change instructions for Men:

1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil,
filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a cheque for
$50.00.
2) Stop by the Bottle Shop and buy a slab of beer, write a cheque for $40,
drive home.
3) Open a beer and drink it.
4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
5) Find jack stands under caravan.
6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it.
7) Place drain pan under engine.
8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
9) Give up and use crescent wrench.
10) Unscrew drain plug.
11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in process.
Curse and swear.

12) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off face and arms. Throw kitty
litter on spilled oil.
13) Have another beer while watching oil drain.
14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench.
15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter and
twist off.

16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil
everywhere from holes. Cleverly, hide old oil filter among trash in trash
can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer.
17) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket
surface.
18) Dump first litre of fresh oil into engine.
19) Remember drain plug from step 11.
20) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
21) Drink beer.
22) Discover that first litre of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw kitty
litter on oil spill.
23) Get drain plug back in with only a minor spill. Drink beer.
24) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with oily rag
used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening drain
plug and bang knuckles on frame removing any excess skin between knuckles
and frame.
25) Begin swearing fit.
26) Throw stupid crescent wrench.
27) Swear for additional 5 minutes because wrench hit bowling trophy.
28) Beer.
29) Clean up hands and bandage as required to stop blood flow..
30) Beer.
31) Dump in five fresh litres of oil.
32) Beer.
33) Lower car from jack stands.
34) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during any
missed steps.
35) Beer.
36) Test drive car..
37) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence..
38) Car is impounded..
39) Call loving wife, make bail.
40) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard.

Money spent:
Parts: $50.00
DUI: $2500.00
Impound fee: $75.00
Bail: $1500.00
Beer: $40.00
Total: $4,185.00 But you know the job was done right!

389 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:17:16am

I've got to get the kids to school. I'm not feeling well, so I;'m taking a sick day. I may be back later. Take care, Lizards.

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:17:39am

re: #385 BatGuano

yep. But, I am not one for bias. Elle Mae was kinda purdy.

Which one of the Walton girls was in Playboy?

391 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:19:49am

re: #381 Erik The Red

I pray that you're right. I fear that you're wrong. South Africa is the United States in Africa, as far as a financial engine and military power. To see her go the sad way of Zimbabwe, with her treasure squandered to no good effect for her population, would be a crime.

I overspeak. SA is not the US in Africa, in that SA cannot project power like the United States.

392 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:25:39am

re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yep. But, I am not one for bias. Elle Mae was kinda purdy.

Which one of the Walton girls was in Playboy?

Judy Norton?

393 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:31:11am

For all gun enthusiasts, and voting members. Got this a bit earlier, and have been reading it. BO and friends working to curtail ammo supplies, for us and LE, while selling used brass to China (at a loss!)? The author seems to have the credentials, so does anyone else have any info? It might be worth doing what he said about writing our congress critters, regarding this...

ammo

394 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:31:22am

Folks, I'm having serious connectivity issues here. I'm going to log off, kick the crap out of my router, reboot the main computer, and see if that helps.

If I don't make it back, send money and whatever Hooterville girl you can lay hands on.

Know what? Keep your money.

395 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:32:19am

re: #392 BatGuano

Judy Norton?

What about "Penny" from Lost in Space- Angela? Cartwright

396 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:32:52am

re: #391 razorbacker

I pray that you're right. I fear that you're wrong. South Africa is the United States in Africa, as far as a financial engine and military power. To see her go the sad way of Zimbabwe, with her treasure squandered to no good effect for her population, would be a crime.

I overspeak. SA is not the US in Africa, in that SA cannot project power like the United States.

I am trying to see a positive future here. I am leaving very dear friends and family here. I do however see SA going down in the next 5-7 years. I just pray that it does not get to the level of Zim. But hey TIA. Anything can happen :(

397 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:34:07am

re: #393 Pietr

Whoa!

398 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:34:12am

re: #394 razorbacker

Folks, I'm having serious connectivity issues here. I'm going to log off, kick the crap out of my router, reboot the main computer, and see if that helps.

If I don't make it back, send money and whatever Hooterville girl you can lay hands on.

Know what? Keep your money.

I had the same problem. Got the spinning wheel. Refreshed and nothing. Logged out, and took forever to be able to log in again.

399 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:35:02am

re: #393 Pietr

For all gun enthusiasts, and voting members. Got this a bit earlier, and have been reading it. BO and friends working to curtail ammo supplies, for us and LE, while selling used brass to China (at a loss!)? The author seems to have the credentials, so does anyone else have any info? It might be worth doing what he said about writing our congress critters, regarding this...

AMMO, correct link

400 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:35:58am

re: #398 Erik The Red

I had the same problem. Got the spinning wheel. Refreshed and nothing. Logged out, and took forever to be able to log in again.

I disconnected my connection.

401 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:36:15am

re: #394 razorbacker

402 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:37:30am

re: #395 Nevergiveup

My first love. "You jest at scars that never felt a wound"

403 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:38:05am

Susan Boyle has a new hairstyle and got her eyebrows trimmed.

404 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:38:16am

re: #398 Erik The Red

I had the same problem. Got the spinning wheel. Refreshed and nothing. Logged out, and took forever to be able to log in again.

The Hamsters have been giving me the spinning wheel for every upding, etc. that I've tried for about 20 to 30 inutes now. Not sure what's up...:>((

405 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:39:29am

re: #403 MandyManners

The eyebrow trim is a good thing,

406 UncleRancher  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:40:53am

re: #399 Pietr

re AMMO link

I liked the first link better...
Yesterday I ran across an article saying this business about used military brass sales being curtailed had been recinded. I couldn't find the link this morning. That doesn't mean it was removed, just that I couldn't find it.

407 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:41:05am

re: #403 MandyManners

Susan Boyle has a new hairstyle and got her eyebrows trimmed.

Got any pics. She is a lovely lady but did need some help in the grooming department.

408 yochanan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:42:53am

re: #388 Erik The Red

you left out were you barf all over your loving wife's new carpet.

409 summergurl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:43:25am

re: #403 MandyManners

Susan Boyle has a new hairstyle and got her eyebrows trimmed.


Thank goodness - something as simple as that can be quite a change.

410 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:46:13am

re: #405 BatGuano

If only James Randi would do that.

411 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:47:04am
412 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:47:48am

Morrissey the Moron

The former Smiths frontman, a staunch vegetarian, was disgusted by the smell of barbecued meat products wafting over the crowd at the Indio, California event.

And halfway through his set, the star stopped mid-song and walked off stage, telling the audience, "I can smell burning flesh and I hope to God it's human."

SNIP

413 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:48:14am

re: #405 BatGuano

The eyebrow trim is a good thing,

So is the new hair style.

414 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:48:48am

re: #393 Pietr

re: #401 BatGuano

Pietr,

I think that Bob over at Confederate Yankee posted that the ban on calibers .50 and smaller had been recinded. I'm not sure.

BatGuano,

Heh. When in doubt, send lawyers, guns, and money. Sage advice. If you can't buy 'em off, or scare 'em off, just let the lawyers dazzle 'em with bullsh*t.

415 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:48:58am

re: #407 Erik The Red

Got any pics. She is a lovely lady but did need some help in the grooming department.

No pictures but, Fox probably has some.

416 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:49:42am

re: #408 yochanan

you left out were you barf all over your loving wife's new carpet.

Voice of experience?

417 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:49:45am

re: #409 summergurl

Thank goodness - something as simple as that can be quite a change.

I hope she doesn't cover up that lovely skin.

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:50:18am

re: #415 MandyManners

Wife's watching "Today". About to do a story on Susan Boyle. Not that I am watching it.

419 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:50:23am

re: #410 rightside

If only James Randi would do that.

He's dead now. He has no inclination to do that.

420 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:51:13am

Morning all!

How is everyone this bright spring morn?

421 yochanan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:51:23am
422 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:51:51am

re: #419 BatGuano

Well, there you go. Bet their still growing though! LOL

423 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:51:57am

re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wife's watching "Today". About to do a story on Susan Boyle. Not that I am watching it.

The other day, there were more than 60,000,000 hits on her YouTube clips. I wonder what it is today.

424 yochanan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:52:06am

re: #416 reine.de.tout

well i don't have a car

425 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:53:04am

re: #419 BatGuano

He's dead now. He has no inclination to do that.

Hmm, wiki still says he's alive...

426 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:53:10am

re: #421 yochanan

that is ok more bbq for the rest of us.

The fucking effrontery of trying to force his beliefs down others' throats is beyond belief.

427 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:53:50am

re: #388 Erik The Red

Back in the 70's, when I was still going to live forever, I was changing the oil in my hot-rodded Buick. I finished up the job, went into the house to drink a hops soda and burn down a fattie, and went back outside to see a 4-quart puddle under the car.

Yep. Forgot to put the drain plug in. I swear, I need that keeper to watch over my dumb a**.

428 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:54:24am

Good morning.

The futures are pointing up this morning as details on the stress tests are due out and Ford announced that it lost only $2 billion las quarter.

Expect Chrysler to declare bankruptcy shortly. Fiat realized that they could buy Chryslers assets after the bankruptcy and pick and choose what they want that way.

And I think Obama just apologized for the Hindenburg blowing up.

429 yochanan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:54:25am

re: #426 MandyManners

if you think of this 'greens' stuff as a religion then it all becomes clear.

430 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:56:07am

re: #422 rightside

They'll grow for a while.

431 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:56:08am

re: #428 3 wood

Well, that actually was our fault. We had the helium supply locked up, and Germany had to rely on hydrogen.

432 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:56:21am

re: #428 3 wood

Good morning.

The futures are pointing up this morning as details on the stress tests are due out and Ford announced that it lost only $2 billion las quarter.

Expect Chrysler to declare bankruptcy shortly. Fiat realized that they could buy Chryslers assets after the bankruptcy and pick and choose what they want that way.

And I think Obama just apologized for the Hindenburg blowing up.

I read that fix is in on the Chrysler Chapt 11. That the UAW is getting almost complete protection under the White House Plan? What gives

433 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:58:25am

re: #425 rightside

Wiki sucketh with a great sucking.

434 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:58:28am

re: #429 yochanan

if you think of this 'greens' stuff as a religion then it all becomes clear.

Oh, I understand it is more than a dietary choice for many.

435 okiej  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 4:58:43am

re: #432 Nevergiveup

I read that fix is in on the Chrysler Chapt 11. That the UAW is getting almost complete protection under the White House Plan? What gives

What gives? It's time to pay up. The unions are completely supportive of the demonrats. It's time to pay for that support.

436 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:02:43am

re: #433 BatGuano

Ok. I can't confirm he is dead. I thought it was posted as a thread on lGF.

437 summergurl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:04:17am

re: #417 MandyManners

I hope she doesn't cover up that lovely skin.

Actually an eyebrow wax, and some color to cover the grey is all she really needs - she doesn't appear to be a "primpy" sort of gal and too much of a make over would just look plain silly on her

438 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:04:59am
439 summergurl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:05:18am

re: #426 MandyManners

The fucking effrontery of trying to force his beliefs down others' throats is beyond belief.

That's kinda like what BO is doing isn't it?

440 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:05:28am

re: #437 summergurl

Actually an eyebrow wax, and some color to cover the grey is all she really needs - she doesn't appear to be a "primpy" sort of gal and too much of a make over would just look plain silly on her

From the photograph Fox showed, it seems she's covered the gray and slightly darkened her hair.

441 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:05:49am

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Shit...would probably help if I provided a link;

*In best Troy McLure voiceover as I can muster*

This is Baldwin 2-8-2 #19...you might recognize me from such movies as Emperor of the North and Stand By Me.

I had some little part in restoring engine 819. Well, I helped scrap the rust out of the boiler, anyway.

Impressive sight, to see that big boy belching smoke and steam and rumbling down the line. A lot of the old Cotton Belt boys put in near-countless hours of time and untold dollars in the rebuilding efforts.

Your text to link...

442 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:06:16am

re: #439 summergurl

That's kinda like what BO is doing isn't it?

Kinda' like?!

443 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:06:25am

re: #438 rightside

Wow. She looks like Jonah Goldberg!

444 summergurl  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:06:33am

re: #428 3 wood

Good morning.

The futures are pointing up this morning as details on the stress tests are due out and Ford announced that it lost only $2 billion las quarter.

Expect Chrysler to declare bankruptcy shortly. Fiat realized that they could buy Chryslers assets after the bankruptcy and pick and choose what they want that way.

And I think Obama just apologized for the Hindenburg blowing up.


Morning Wood!

Wasn't there something about changing the credit card scenario that BO just announced? About "doing away with fees because they just confused people"?

445 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:07:03am

Looks like Peslosi has herself another problem with her memory:
Pelosi briefed on waterboarding in '02

In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

and:

Several officials familiar with the briefings also recalled that the meetings were marked by an atmosphere of deep concern about the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack.

"In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.'"


Now, I have no expectation that the left is going to back off on this political witch hunt of the Bush administration. Soros is applying the pressure and they are throwing meat to their base. And Pelosi is too stupid to realize that this now makes her priority #1 on the deposition list for every defense attorney. They will be drolling to get her uner oath and ona stand and get her running her mouth. And Pelosi has now basically declared war on the CIA, so I would not be surprised if certain memos detailing briefings and who said what somehow find their way to various newpaper reporters.

But Holder should be smart enough to understand that if he starts down this road, it will be a train wreck for his side of the aisle.

446 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:07:10am

Gertrude Stein? Gak!

Read William L. Shirer's memoirs to find out just how creepy she was, and what a hack writer she was.

447 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:07:59am

re: #432 Nevergiveup

I read that fix is in on the Chrysler Chapt 11. That the UAW is getting almost complete protection under the White House Plan? What gives

Payback ontheir investment on their guy Obama.

448 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:08:39am

re: #438 rightside

Susan Boyle makeover

Thanks rs. I was looking for that.

Good morning.

449 rustler  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:09:50am

re: #153 Pietr Usa, Japan has had it's name since around 700 AD the buddist temple in Usa known as Usa temple was built in 725 AD it was post war paranoia most likely that caused the Japan based Rumor allthough the one about Mexico probably was done to try and get made in the USA on their items.

450 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:09:58am

re: #433 BatGuano

I know... but they are usually correct about someone being alive or dead.

451 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:09:58am

re: #444 summergurl

Wasn't there something about changing the credit card scenario that BO just announced? About "doing away with fees because they just confused people"?

We are likely going to have a Community Reinvestment Act for credit cards.

Therefore, I expect credit card offers to become very rare. Banks are not going to go down that road with Marxist's in the White House.

452 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:10:09am

re: #448 Erik The Red

No worries, morning to you too. Good luck on your future endeavors.

453 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:11:37am

re: #450 rightside

It's a 50/50 thing.

454 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:12:18am
455 yochanan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:12:29am

re: #438 rightside

the new look makes her look normal no problem with me at all.

456 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:12:48am

re: #453 BatGuano

not with wiki..lol there's a gaseous state too!

457 BatGuano  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:13:07am

Good night all. I have over extended my meager braincells.

458 notutopia  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:13:38am

It is awfully important to know what is and what is not your business.
— Gertrude Stein


Here we live in a country that has a fabulous constitution and all these guarantees, a contract between the citizens and the government - nobody knows what's in it. It's one of the best kept secrets. And so, if you don't know what your rights are, how can you stand up for them? And furthermore, if you don't know what is in that document, how can you care if someone is shredding it?"

- Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993), as quoted by Spin Magazine, July 1991

459 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:14:21am

re: #452 rightside

re: #448 Erik The Red

No worries, morning to you too. Good luck on your future endeavors.

Thanks. I am excited and scared at the same time. I moved here when I was 16. With the exception of 2, 1 year long moves back to the US S. Africa has been home. It has shaped me more than the US has. I am now 41 bringing a wife and 2 beautiful girls to the US. Best in the long run but still daunting.

460 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:15:44am

re: #447 3 wood

Payback ontheir investment on their guy Obama.

I'm always ready to slap the Obamanation about the head and shoulders, but the heads of Cerberus Capital don't really look like a bunch of Obama guys. Except for the part of always having their fingers on the levers of power, that is.

UAW? Okay. But J. Dan Quayle? John Snow? William Richter? Are they Obama guys?

461 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:15:50am

re: #445 3 wood

I want to write an open letter to her, demanding her resignation. She's a disgrace, and an utter failure. She does not do the peoples' business, she gives the people the business.

462 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:17:52am

re: #459 Erik The Red

Am sure you have all our support here, whatever we can do.

When I retired from the Navy and made the transition back to civilian life, I had those same feelings. Not like moving from one country to another, but I think you get my drift.

463 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:18:47am

Here's an example of left wing concern for the environment:


Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel

In flying to and from Iowa today, President Obama took two flights on Air Force One and four on Marine One.

The press office at Andrews AFB wouldn’t give me the fuel consumption numbers for the 747 that serves as Air Force One without the approval of the White House Press Office, which as I write this has yet to be given.

But Boeing says its 747 burns about 5 gallons of fuel per mile. It’s 895 miles from Washington to Des Moines, so a round trip brings the fuel consumption for the fixed-wing portion of the President’s trip to 8,950 gallons.

The trip also put President Obama on Marine One for round-trip flights between the White House and Andrews AFB and between Des Moines International Airport and Newton, Iowa, site of his Earth Day speech. It totaled about an hour of flight time. The VH-3D that serves as Marine One consumes about 1200 pounds of fuel per hour which comes out to about 166 gallons consumed flying the President today.

Not included in these calculations are the presidential vehicles that took him the short distance from the landing zone in Newton to the event site at the Trinity Structural Towers Manufacturing Plant.

In his speech there, President Obama called for a “new era of energy exploration in America.”


The CIC could have just as eaisy given this speech from his desk in our White House and broadcast it there. This is the same administration that made fun of McCain for supposedly not knowing how to use modern computer technology.

464 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:19:10am

re: #420 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

How is everyone this bright spring morn?



Good, VMP(1Lt), and you, Sir?

re: #449 rustler

Usa, Japan has had it's name since around 700 AD the buddist temple in Usa known as Usa temple was built in 725 AD it was post war paranoia most likely that caused the Japan based Rumor allthough the one about Mexico probably was done to try and get made in the USA on their items.

I didn't say they named Usa, Japan for it-just took advantage of it(I remember the stories from the 60's-70's). Usa, Mexico (which I didn't know of) was an OBVIOUS deliberate attempt. Gmsc and others covered this pretty well. How are you today, Rustler? We miss ya' on the LNDT...

465 rustler  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:19:58am

re: #226 calcajun He's in the 5 digit club because he now only has one hand booze and explosives don't mix :P.

466 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:20:00am

Gotta' git.

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:20:09am

Okay guys. I'll see you in the afternoon. I'm being sent back to the hell that is SW West Virginia.

Why these people make appointments, I'll never know.

468 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:20:19am

re: #460 razorbacker

I was talking about UAW.

469 rustler  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:21:13am

re: #464 Pietr Good been busy last couple nights wearing 2 hats to work since our breakfast cook hasn't been in last 2 nights.

470 3 wood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:21:27am

Got to head to work.

Later.

471 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:21:51am

re: #469 rustler

Good been busy last couple nights wearing 2 hats to work since our breakfast cook hasn't been in last 2 nights.

Then, I hope you're a good cook...LOL.

472 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:22:43am

re: #462 rightside

Am sure you have all our support here, whatever we can do.

When I retired from the Navy and made the transition back to civilian life, I had those same feelings. Not like moving from one country to another, but I think you get my drift.

That is what makes LGF so special. We can all have the serious banter/debates but yet we get to know the posters and become friendly and concerned for each others welfare. When I get stateside I am going to meet a whole new group of LGFers on the daytime/evening threads. I just hope they are as friendly as you LNDTers.

473 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:13am

re: #462 rightside

Am sure you have all our support here, whatever we can do.

When I retired from the Navy and made the transition back to civilian life, I had those same feelings. Not like moving from one country to another, but I think you get my drift.

When my bother-in-law retired from the Air Force, he went into a deep depression. Actually took to his bed. I asked, "Dude, what is your problem?"

"Dammit, razorbacker, when I gave an order in the Air Force, people hopped to. When I give an order out here, people say, 'What's in it for me?'"

474 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:25:26am

re: #468 3 wood

I was talking about UAW.

My bad.

And I'm out. Promised to help a friend put a front clip onto his truck. Gonna go bust a couple of knuckles.

475 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:25:29am

re: #472 Erik The Red

That is what makes LGF so special. We can all have the serious banter/debates but yet we get to know the posters and become friendly and concerned for each others welfare. When I get stateside I am going to meet a whole new group of LGFers on the daytime/evening threads. I just hope they are as friendly as you LNDTers.

On a serious note, Erik-are you retiring, moving into a new job, or gonna be job hunting? Some of us may know peeps in Fla. that can help, if a job hunt will ensue; just so you know.

476 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:26:42am

re: #222 calcajun

Still at the office.

Yawn.

BTW--Fox webpage says North Korea is a nuclear power now. joy.

April 24, 2009
North Korea is fully fledged nuclear power, experts agree

The world’s intelligence agencies and defence experts are quietly acknowledging that North Korea has become a fully fledged nuclear power with the capacity to wipe out entire cities in Japan and South Korea.

The new reality has emerged in off-hand remarks and in single sentences buried in lengthy reports. Increasing numbers of authoritative experts — from the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to the US Defence Secretary — are admitting that North Korea has miniaturised nuclear warheads to the extent that they can be launched on medium-range missiles, according to intelligence briefings.

/ Uh-oh. This could development could undermine the six-party talks.

477 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:26:50am

Later Lizards. Maybe see you a little later. Taking the the wife and eldest daughter out for sushi tonight. But first a stop at the pub. I have had a week from hell.

478 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:27:57am

re: #447 3 wood

Payback ontheir investment on their guy Obama.

Yeah understand that. Is that legal to give them "special" protection?

479 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:28:20am

re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay guys. I'll see you in the afternoon. I'm being sent back to the hell that is SW West Virginia.

Why these people make appointments, I'll never know.

Did they get indoor plumbing yet?

480 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:29:23am

re: #476 abolitionist

If they got miniaturization techniques-that came STRAIGHT from China, who stole it from us under BUBBA! Think on that...

481 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:30:52am

re: #475 Pietr

On a serious note, Erik-are you retiring, moving into a new job, or gonna be job hunting? Some of us may know peeps in Fla. that can help, if a job hunt will ensue; just so you know.

Not job hunting, no paper skills. I will be business hunting. Looking at a gas station again or a Post Net/Business supply shop. I can manage/run almost anything as long it does not require a tech. skill. I have also owned Liquor stores and will be looking into that.

I will blue my name if you have any suggestions or contacts that would be wonderful. I may only get back to you tomorrow though.

482 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:32:27am
483 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:51am

re: #482 njdhockeyfan

Aww, too bad for ted.

/fucking not!

484 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:48:45am

The MSM lied about the number of waterboardings? Shocka!

A Corner exclusive: How many times have you read and heard in the mainstream media that terrorists were waterboarded more than 180 times?

It turns out that’s not true. What is?

According to two sources, both of them very well-informed and reliable (but preferring to remain anonymous), the 180-plus times refers not to sessions of waterboarding, but to “pours” — that is, to instances of water being poured on the subject.

Under a strict set of rules, every pour of water had to be counted — and the number of pours was limited.

Also: Waterboarding interrogation sessions were permitted on no more than five days within any 30-day period.

No more than two sessions were permitted in any 24-hour period.

A session could last no longer than two hours.

There could be at most six pours of water lasting ten seconds or longer — and never longer than 40 seconds — during any individual session.

Water could be poured on a subject for a combined total of no more than 12 minutes during any 24 hour period.

You do the math.

485 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:48:48am

Good morning y'all - from a warmish (59 going up to 85 degrees)bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

486 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:54:06am

Morning all.
Opened the paper this morning and learned that raving anti-Semite and serial America-basher Jimmy Carter will be speaking (along with Maya Angelou) right down the street from me tomorrow. Free and open to the public, it's some sort of Baptist Convention at Wake Forest. Dare I go just to hear Jimmy speak? I'm thinking about it.
Despite the fact that Carter is a disgrace, I'd like to hear him "live", so I don't have to depend on the local rag to report on what he says.

487 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:55:12am

re: #481 Erik The Red

I'm not sure about Gas Stations, Erik, in the USA or Fla.-most here are franchises, or dependent on 1 supplier (Shell, Exxon, BP, etc.). Liquor stores in Fla., that's probably a good bet tho-LOL. I've a friend in Miami who could check around, if you're headed there. If you're headed to Tampa, Ft Lauderdale, etc.-there's probably someone on the board who can have friends check on what's up for grabs. Take time to let the board know what you're wanting, and you may get some advanced research, and some possiblities lined up. Talk at ya' later...

488 Van Helsing  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:55:43am

re: #485 realwest

Charlotte is one of my favorite airports.

489 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:56:21am

re: #484 njdhockeyfan
Good morning to you! For a list of the 10 torture tactics used by the CIA, please go to our fellow LGFer
Outrider's website (scroll down past the cartoon - although lede story is well worth reading too) here:
[Link: www.ohnoanotherconservativeblog.com...]

490 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:56:39am

re: #486 Lincolntf

If you go, take a recorder, or camcorder-so you have the evidence...just a suggestion.

491 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:58:19am

re: #488 Van Helsing
LOL! Well mayber y'all ought to stick around sometime and see Charlotte - or me!

492 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:23am

re: #486 Lincolntf
Why don't you take a case of cheapo shoes - flip flops or something with you? That way we could all see you on TV!

493 onslow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:53am
494 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:00:43am

re: #492 realwest

Heh. That would be hilarious.
Not my style, but it''s funny to think about.

495 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:01:30am

re: #491 realwest

LOL! Well mayber y'all ought to stick around sometime and see Charlotte - or me!

Hmmm, stick around to see Charlotte, or a guy named Realwest...Charlotte wins! Or did you mean the town, RW?

/white smoke...

496 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:02:09am

re: #494 Lincolntf
Not your style, eh? Ok, how's about some eggs? I mean, don't forget your main objective is to ah, er, well, get on TV!

497 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:02:39am

re: #480 Pietr

If they got miniaturization techniques-that came STRAIGHT from China, who stole it from us under BUBBA! Think on that...

I've experienced the outrage of technology transfers to China in a very personal way.

498 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:03:05am

re: #495 Pietr Cute. Very effin' cute!
Good morning Pietr, how are you?

499 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:03:18am

BBIAM!

500 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:04:18am

Nothing involving Kim's favorite technologies, however.

501 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:05:10am

re: #498 realwest

Cute. Very effin' cute!
Good morning Pietr, how are you?

Haven't been to bed yet, but still feisty. And how are you today, Amigo?
Oh, and did you get the emails from yesterday?

502 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:05:41am

re: #486 Lincolntf

Morning all.
Opened the paper this morning and learned that raving anti-Semite and serial America-basher Jimmy Carter will be speaking (along with Maya Angelou) right down the street from me tomorrow. Free and open to the public, it's some sort of Baptist Convention at Wake Forest. Dare I go just to hear Jimmy speak? I'm thinking about it.
Despite the fact that Carter is a disgrace, I'd like to hear him "live", so I don't have to depend on the local rag to report on what he says.

go and check out the old s.o.b. you will notice things abt. him beyond
his bitter words. give us a report.

503 Pietr  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:07:15am

re: #500 abolitionist

Nothing involving Kim's favorite technologies, however.

Hmm, makes me think Raytheon, Kentron, and other technology sectors-but I won't pry.

504 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:09:21am

re: #489 realwest

Good morning to you! For a list of the 10 torture tactics used by the CIA, please go to our fellow LGFer
Outrider's website (scroll down past the cartoon - although lede story is well worth reading too) here:
[Link: www.ohnoanotherconservativeblog.com...]

Great site, thanks! Looks like Blinky now admits she had a briefing about waterboarding but says she didn't know it would be used. SNL couldn't write this stuff.

505 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:10:26am
506 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:10:49am

Microbe-powered 'fart' machine stores energy

It sounds like a gag gift instead of serious science, but a new electrical farting machine could improve fuel cell technology by turning C02 in the atmosphere into methane.

The technique won't combat global warming directly, since both CO2 and methane are potent greenhouse gases, but it could help store alternative energies such as wind and solar more efficiently.

It works like this: giving small jolts of electricity to single-celled microorganisms known as archea prompts them to remove C02 from the air and turn it into methane, released as tiny "farts." The methane, in turn, can be used to power fuel cells or to store the electrical energy chemically until its needed.

Science!

507 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:12:07am

re: #501 Pietr Haven't been to bed yet? Are ya braggin' or complaining?!
Yes I did get the e-mails - what, DON'T TELL ME you didn't get my replies?!
As for how I'm doing - well even though temperature wise we've skipped past spring directly into summer, the fact is my allergies are driving me crazy. I think mostly yellow pine pollen. All I do is blow my nose, rest, curse the fates in a screechy voice, blow my nose, rinse and repeat!

508 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:12:21am

re: #482 njdhockeyfan

Anyone see this?

Ted Rall Laid Off Position Eliminated

They've decided they don't need a resident Jew-hating loser on the payroll?
long overdue.

509 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:14:17am

re: #505 FrogMarch

It's not like any of them give much of a shit about Americans. If voters continue to put these assholes in charge, imagine what`we can expect in 20 years or so.

510 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:15:52am

re: #508 FrogMarch

Surely there is such a spot available in the 0bama administration. Jew hating loser that is.

511 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:16:42am

So that's why I don't have a cricket problem:
Against Insect Plague, Nevadans Wield Ultimate Weapon: Hard Rock

512 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:29am

Anyone know if there are any Montana lizards who regularly post? According to this story, the remaining Gitmoids might be sent up their way. My cynical side says that since Montana has very little Electoral College heft, this might be a perfect "fix" for Obama.
Hajj on the Range?

513 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:46am

re: #507 realwest

We need to set you up with a neti pot so that you can waterboard your allergies into submission.

/

514 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:52am

Newfound Lichen Species Named for Obama

A newly discovered species of lichen — a plant-like growth that looks like moss or a dry leaf — has been named after President Obama.

Kerry Knudsen, lichen curator of the University of California, Riverside Herbarium, discovered the species in 2007 while doing a survey for lichen diversity on Santa Rosa Island in California.

"I named it Caloplaca obamae to show my appreciation for the president's support of science and science education," he said. "I made the final collections of C. obamae during the suspenseful final weeks of President Obama's campaign for the United States presidency."

...Lichens, which grow slowly and live for many years, result from fungi and algae living together.

515 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:21:07am

re: #504 njdhockeyfan
That's only cause SNL still has a little sense of humor (not much I grant you, but some) whereas Nancy Pelosi is just EVIL. She's a liar and that's all there is to it.
BTW, Chris Wallace on F&F today mentioned that he was EXTREMELY dubious about releasing the memo's and photos and notes that FOUR different former heads of the CIA told Obama he shouldn't do it. When Brian I'm-so-stupid-whathisname asked why, Wallace said because they thought the idea of investigating and possibly prosecuting lawyers for their honest legal opinions would result in NO POTUS EVER getting honest legal counsel again.
And he's right, of course. Not to mention that Obama's doing that - just to throw some red meat to his fan club voter base - will totally demoralize the CIA at a time when America needs all of it's intelligence capabilities working on all 8 cylinders.
Believing as I do that Obama is nothing more than a well dressed street 3 card monte dealer, I think Obama is doing it to distract us from something more important - namely nationalized health care.

516 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:21:11am

re: #509 soxfan4life

It's not like any of them give much of a shit about Americans. If voters continue to put these assholes in charge, imagine what`we can expect in 20 years or so.

We need term limits. Obviously we are too stupid to throw corrupt bums like Waxman, Barney Frank, jack Murtha... and many others - out.

517 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:22:31am

re: #514 njdhockeyfan

"..Lichens, which grow slowly and live for many years, result from fungi and algae living together."
Okay, I'll take a stab: Ayers is the fungus and Wright is the algae?

518 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:21am

re: #514 njdhockeyfan

...Lichens, which grow slowly and live for many years, result from fungi and algae living together.

I knew Obama was a Fun Guy, but I had no idea he was living with Al G.

/

519 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:36am

re: #505 FrogMarch
Good morning and great pick up from the news. I reported it to Charles in hopes he'll make a thread out of it.
Henry Waxman is only one step below Pelosi on the scum scale - and he's only there so he can look up her dress!
Told ya he was scum!

520 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:46am
521 Spiritualized  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:54am
In his speech there, President Obama called for a "new era of energy exploration in America."

Yeah like some hopey-changey wind turbines or something, if he builds enough of them we can power some desk fans for a few hours.

522 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:59am

re: #517 Lincolntf

"..Lichens, which grow slowly and live for many years, result from fungi and algae living together."
Okay, I'll take a stab: Ayers is the fungus and Wright is the algae?

Impossible, as Ayers is toe jam and Wright is a fart in church.

523 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:24:36am

re: #514 njdhockeyfan

Newfound Lichen Species Named for Obama


Sounds like they found someone's discarded Chia Obama.

524 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:25:41am

re: #519 realwest

Come on now, by calling Pelosi and Waxman scum, you give scum a bad name. If most of our politicians were scumbags, we could call them social climbers.

525 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:25:50am

re: #510 soxfan4life
Sorry the postition of Jew hating loser in the Obama administration has been filled and there is a regrettably long line of applicants for the job.

526 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:26:27am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Once again, we have reason to question Obama's judgment of character. Steve Rattner, his car czar, continues to be embroiled in multiple investigations, and it looks like one of them ends up in New Mexico, where his name comes up in connection with Bill Richardson, who had to withdraw his name from consideration over a NM pay to play scandal of his own. Curious how that works.

Then, Aldolfo Carrion is in hot water with investigators over his own little mess in the Bronx with kickbacks and housing projects. Investigators are swarming over a major housing developer that has given significant campaign contributions to Carrion. Carrion's Obama's housing czar. Curious how that works.

527 bullskin  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:26:57am

re: #388 Erik The Red

Two weeks ago:

Visit to my GM (Opel) dealer;

Oil 20 €
Oil Filter 3.58 €
New drain plug gasket 0.7 €

-Drive car front wheels onto the private parking sidewalk.
-Put chocks in all four wheels.
-Preemptive cursing to frighten the drain plug.
-19mm wrench does its job.
-Oil flows hot on a 1.5€ disposable pan.
-Preemptive cursing to frighten the oil filter.

-Oil put into a container. Rag and pan into a waste bag.
-Drive car to a far neighborhood, place previous items in the yellow trash bin. After all, they have already charged me the 'oil waste treatment tax' in the oil can price. It's illegal since I'm not an authorized shop, but I'm not either an hysteric ecologist commie, so it's legitimate for me. The guys at the plant would employ my paid tax to treat this waste.
-Wash car.
-Pick up wife and go downtown for a sherry wine and some beers.

-30/50€ saved and a happy sunny afternoon for we both.

528 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:27:16am

re: #520 FrogMarch

Hope and Change in Denver. got stimulus?

Only four out of 14 sectors are expecting to have job growth this year: education and health services, government, utilities, and information

oh hurray. Private sector jobs are dying while government jobs are growing. How to we pay government jobs? with taxes paid by people in the private sector. this out to work/

529 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:11am

re: #519 realwest

Good morning Real West!
you were right. Waxman is pretty scummy.

530 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:29am

re: #525 realwest

I thought every member of this administration fit the Jew-hating loser qualifier, and he still has plenty of spots available.

531 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:29am

re: #526 lawhawk

I used to indict Obama's ability to judge character, but that amounts to a sort of "ignorance defense". I'm convinced now that he knows full well the character of the people he is surrounding himself with, and he simply likes 'em crooked.

532 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:59am

re: #513 OldLineTexan
Hey there OLT! Nah, my allergies would withstand that torture!
Hell, did ya read that list of top ten "torture" or "interrogation tactics?!
Leaving waterboarding to one side - and maybe the "deadly insect" those are all fairly common interrogation techniques (like sleep derprivation, face slapping NOT hard enough to hurt but to surprise and shock the prisioner). Hell they don't even use the one I suffered from the worst in the 8thSFG Recondo training: forced to kneel on a stick of bamboo, with my arms tied tightly behind me (usually with a bamboo rod inserted between my arms) - the pain of which was FAR WORSE than any of at least 8 of those 10. I've never been waterboarded, but - at the same place - had my head forced face first into a bucket of water and held there for what seemed like eternity. I can understand the complaints about waterboarding that lasted more than 10 seconds or so, and if the insect appeared deadly, that woulda given me a heart attack, but I respectfully submit THAT WHAT The Ten tortures used were not unusual nor, on reflection of my own experiences, really inhumane either.
BTW, my kneecaps still have "bursitis" like lumps on 'em.
Crap, the way the LEFT is dealing with this makes it sound like we used electrodes to genitals, made prisioners stand barefoot on a water soaked floor while a little electricity was touched to the floor, and that sort of thing.
Yeah this is definitely a misdirection play by Obama.

533 Rednek  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:30:23am

A news story from February of this year. America flexed some of that "Smart Power" muscle behind the scenes in Pakistan.



US privately backs Pakistan's 'Sharia law for peace' deal with Taliban


American officials have privately backed Pakistan's "Sharia law for peace" deal with Taliban militants in the Swat Valley despite publicly criticising it as a "negative development".

snipped

The valley had a long history of Sharia law, and its introduction was a popular measure among Swat's long-suffering people, they said.

American officials in Islamabad said they hoped it would divide Fazlullah's Swat Taliban and his father-in-law's TNSM from Baitullah Mehsud's Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

"The strategy has to be to divide the two groups. The TNSM and Baitullah's TTP found some common cause briefly, but a peace deal will separate them," said one US official, who explained that while Mehsud's TTP is part of the global jihad, Maulana Radio is regarded as more focused on local issues and the campaign for Sharia law.

One source suggested it reflected the "smart power" thinking outlined by Hillary Clinton in her Senate confirmation hearing as secretary of state.

Mehsud's Taliban on Tuesday night appeared unruffled by the prospect of a peace deal in Swat.

"If a true Sharia was enforced, we shall fully support it," said Maulvi Omar, a spokesman, adding that the group backed the involvement of TNSM chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad in any deal.

534 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:30:41am

re: #528 FrogMarch


Wait until the market gets by this little upswing from layoffs and go further in the tank. About 50% of workers will be part timers.

Maybe Stimulus VIII will work.///

535 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:30:49am

re: #529 FrogMarch

Good morning Real West!
you were right. Waxman is pretty scummy.

Waxman sounds like a lame Spider-Man enemy.
/Good morning, Lizards!

536 irongrampa  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:31:30am

Morning from the Adirondacks. Nice sunny morning here, supposed to hit 65 today, the remaining weekend is slated for 75 to 80. Segue right into Summer, I see.

Bad news, our Cong. district (CD 20) looks like Murphy will win. As of today he's got a 400 vote lead. Don't think the absentee ballots wil help Tedisco. They ran a pretty lackluster campaign, with no real message.

537 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:32:32am

Operation Diplomat
How Canada mounted the most complex rescue mission in its history to free Robert Fowler and Louis Guay from the clutches of al-Qaeda

A rotating team of three dozen Canadians worked tirelessly in West Africa over the past four months to secure freedom for two Canadian diplomats, sources say. Drawn from the ranks of the foreign service, Mounties, spies and other agencies, they ran the most sophisticated rescue operation Canada has ever known.

Using the wizardry of modern surveillance, calling in favours and exerting pressure on African governments, the team considered every option, up to and including a military raid.

Robert Fowler, a distinguished Canadian civil servant and a former ambassador to the United Nations, and his colleague Louis Guay, also a senior diplomat, were captured on a desert road in eastern Niger just before Christmas. Today, the two men are expected to fly out of Bamako, Mali, on their way to be reunited with their families.

Considering what could have happened to them, this is extremely good news. Congratulations & gratitude to the many people who worked to free the hostages.

538 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:32:39am

Mornin' all. I see our gov't has not failed in the overnight hours in its continous quest to amaze and horrify its citizens.

539 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:35:19am

One of the asshats from the west side of my state, Inslee, D moonbat central, says Cap and Trade will...stimulate the economy for green jobs! Jesus in the Haymow! What a maroon.

540 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:09am

re: #538 pingjockey

America held hostage day 94

541 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:13am

re: #526 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! That's just some excellent reporting there - really fine work.
And say, isn't there ANOTHER politician serving in Obama's administration? Janet something or other? Oh, no, my mistake, she's from Arizona. nevermind.
But Thank you for those two posts/links!

542 joecitizen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:53am

re: #538 pingjockey

Mornin' all. I see our gov't has not failed in the overnight hours in its continous quest to amaze and horrify its citizens.

I saw last night that the DOD is going to release a shitload of "prisoner abuse" photos by the end of May..these fuckers will stop at NOTHING to try and discredit this country..this is gonna get SO bad...

543 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:57am

re: #540 soxfan4life
Hostage hell, we're being held up and raped.

544 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:37:20am

re: #535 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Waxman sounds like a lame Spider-Man enemy.
/Good morning, Lizards!

(in a deep male movie voice)
Wax-man: the pig nosed progressive who delivers the "green" to get the votes he needs to take over the world. *mwaahaahaaa*

545 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:37:57am

I'm making that Zappa Quote my Facebook Quote of the Day. Thanks!
re: #458 notutopia

It is awfully important to know what is and what is not your business.
— Gertrude Stein

Here we live in a country that has a fabulous constitution and all these guarantees, a contract between the citizens and the government - nobody knows what's in it. It's one of the best kept secrets. And so, if you don't know what your rights are, how can you stand up for them? And furthermore, if you don't know what is in that document, how can you care if someone is shredding it?"

- Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993), as quoted by Spin Magazine, July 1991

546 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:02am

re: #542 joecitizen
There is NO reason to release those photos, other than whipping up a frenzy against GWB and the military.

547 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:23am

re: #539 pingjockey

One of the asshats from the west side of my state, Inslee, D moonbat central, says Cap and Trade will...stimulate the economy for green jobs! Jesus in the Haymow! What a maroon.

If you think it , it will be. Power to the People. Right on! Shut it down and open it up! Peace?

Feel free to add more insane stupid liberalisms

548 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:33am

re: #530 soxfan4life Well I heard that Obama's personal Chief of Staff doesn't HATE Jews, just doesn't like being around them very much.

549 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:51am

re: #534 soxfan4life

Wait until the market gets by this little upswing from layoffs and go further in the tank. About 50% of workers will be part timers.

Maybe Stimulus VIII will work.///

and a national debt so large, we will never get out.

550 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:28am

re: #548 realwest

Doesn't like being around them, or doesn't like having them around?

551 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:49am

re: #537 Kenneth

Operation Diplomat
How Canada mounted the most complex rescue mission in its history to free Robert Fowler and Louis Guay from the clutches of al-Qaeda


Considering what could have happened to them, this is extremely good news. Congratulations & gratitude to the many people who worked to free the hostages.

I read they paid a ransom of $8 million. How sophisticated is that?

552 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:49am

re: #539 pingjockey

One of the asshats from the west side of my state, Inslee, D moonbat central, says Cap and Trade will...stimulate the economy for green jobs! Jesus in the Haymow! What a maroon.

Orwellian language that cap n trade will GENERATE billions of dollars -- that sucks too.

553 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:40:13am

re: #550 soxfan4life
Both, covers al the bases.

554 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:41:07am

re: #549 FrogMarch

0bama will have his picture on dollar bills, just like he spoke about. Of course the trillion dollar bill he will be pictured on won't even cover your electric bill after he passes his cap and trade legislation.

555 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:41:08am

re: #443 BatGuano

Wow. She looks like Jonah Goldberg!


teh funny!

556 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:41:16am

re: #538 pingjockey

Mornin' all. I see our gov't has not failed in the overnight hours in its continuous quest to amaze and horrify its citizens.

good morning. another day, another gazillion-trillion dollars. flushed.

557 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:20am

re: #556 FrogMarch

good morning. another day, another gazillion-trillion dollars. flushed.

At least the rest of the world likes us anyway.///

558 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:21am

re: #539 pingjockey
Good morning ping! Good to see you as always. But, uh, "Jesus in the Haymow!" ? What? Y'all a farmer or something?! What the hell is a Haymow?!
:)

559 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:31am

re: #542 joecitizen

I saw last night that the DOD is going to release a shitload of "prisoner abuse" photos by the end of May..these fuckers will stop at NOTHING to try and discredit this country..this is gonna get SO bad...

Yup and he is trying to block a lawsuit against Iran by the former embassy hostages. Makes you wonder who's side he's on.

560 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:45am

Didja see Blinky parsing the CIA memos..."I was briefed on the legal aspect of them, but never read them". She was on the House Intel committee. ALL members had access to the memos and knew what was going on. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

561 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:43:37am

re: #532 realwest

I am pushing for videotaped Pelosi lectures after their morning snack and before story/nap time.

/

562 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:43:53am

re: #554 soxfan4life

0bama will have his picture on dollar bills, just like he spoke about. Of course the trillion dollar bill he will be pictured on won't even cover your electric bill after he passes his cap and trade legislation.

I hope they don't put him on the dollar bill. Those would be hard to avoid. Do they still make a 1,000 dollar bill? Hope they put him on that since I've never seen one.

563 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:05am

re: #558 realwest
Heh. Haymow...large pile of hay. Granpa saying.
Good morning to you too. Myrtle Beach is on fire this morning.

564 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:32am

re: #559 njdhockeyfan

There's no doubt who's side he is on. The question is how much this mistake will cost us.

565 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:35am

Hello there lizards coming to you from a non discript bunker from an Indian Ocean Island off the coast of East Africa where Pirates are hated and sharia is rejected.

566 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:00am

re: #562 KenJen

IIRC, they quit making "Grover Clevelands" in the 70s.

567 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:04am

Visited our favorite donut shop this morning. (DunkyDs). Ordered small coffee, and then attempted to order 1 doz. donuts. The girl stopped me, apologized that all they had were glazed with sprinkles and something with maple frosting (wretch). My response, "I'll take a dozen with sprinkles".

I pull up to pay and she charged me $1.59! I said "There must be a mistake", she replied "No mistake, you're the first person in the last 20 minutes that hasn't bitched about the lack of selection, or drove off with an attitude."

I love the Law of Unintended Consequences. I was actually going to order 1 doz. donuts with sprinkles! It's the only type of donuts that my three daughters will eat, ages 4.5,2.5,14 months.

Moral of the story, stop bitching, we are stuck with BHO and his ilk for 3+ years. I just pray to God that nothing irreversible happens on their watch.

Has anyone had the new Guinness 250 yet?

568 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:04am

re: #539 pingjockey

One of the asshats from the west side of my state, Inslee, D moonbat central, says Cap and Trade will...stimulate the economy for green jobs! Jesus in the Haymow! What a maroon.

I was going to say the jobs would be pedaling for transportation and to generate power, but then I realized that people also emit CO2.

569 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:55am

re: #559 njdhockeyfan

Yup and he is trying to block a lawsuit against Iran by the former embassy hostages. Makes you wonder who's side he's on.

Wonder who's side? Confirmed my opinion of him from way before the election.
We elected a traitor.

570 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:46:21am

re: #568 Kosh's Shadow

Don't forget its overweight people responsible for global warming.

571 pittrader1988  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:46:25am

Interesting to read Drudge-Jamaican troops called out before tax increase.
France close to revolution.

I support the tea party movement in the US. It is important to get govt out of our life. I agree with the people that are trying to identify wackos that have latched on to it; but the main theme of the movement is correct.

We are overtaxed, by an increasingly overbearing government.

572 yochanan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:12am

re: #506 njdhockeyfan

this morning i could have solved the energy crises all by my self.

573 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:12am

Obama and the left hate Bush and Cheney so much - they are willing to make the US less safe. Assholes.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

574 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:35am

re: #542 joecitizen

How about them releasing some photos of the World Trade Centers being destroyed and the orphans and widows asking for justice?

575 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:56am

re: #551 Spare O'Lake

I read they paid a ransom of $8 million. How sophisticated is that?

You should re-read that article. The report mentions an unsubstantiated rumour that a European country paid a ransom for the release of 2 European hostages, and that the 2 Canadians were possible part of the deal.

576 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:48:22am

Pakistani Taliban pull back to Swat stronghold

Taliban militants who had seized a district just 60 miles from Pakistan’s capital began pulling out Friday after the government warned that it would use force to evict them.


I think they're just going back for more ammo.

577 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:48:44am

re: #567 dingleB

The worst you can get from a bad donut is sick. We could all get killed by this guy's naivety and incompetence. But that's just my opinion.

578 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:18am

re: #559 njdhockeyfan

Yup and he is trying to block a lawsuit against Iran by the former embassy hostages. Makes you wonder who's side he's on.

Where the hell does the US government get off, going to bat for a terrorist nation against US citizens looking for some justice?
*puke*

579 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:24am

Heh. Mine too.

580 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:28am

re: #567 dingleB

Visited our favorite donut shop this morning. (DunkyDs). Ordered small coffee, and then attempted to order 1 doz. donuts. The girl stopped me, apologized that all they had were glazed with sprinkles and something with maple frosting (wretch). My response, "I'll take a dozen with sprinkles".

I pull up to pay and she charged me $1.59! I said "There must be a mistake", she replied "No mistake, you're the first person in the last 20 minutes that hasn't bitched about the lack of selection, or drove off with an attitude."

I love the Law of Unintended Consequences. I was actually going to order 1 doz. donuts with sprinkles! It's the only type of donuts that my three daughters will eat, ages 4.5,2.5,14 months.

Moral of the story, stop bitching, we are stuck with BHO and his ilk for 3+ years. I just pray to God that nothing irreversible happens on their watch.
Has anyone had the new Guinness 250 yet?


It isn't so much irreversable damage he is inflicting, it's the fact that your three daughters and their children will be bearing the brunt of the damage he is inflicting.

581 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:50:11am

re: #567 dingleB

Has anyone had the new Guinness 250 yet?

I wish. All I can afford right now is Busch Light.

582 joecitizen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:50:36am

re: #559 njdhockeyfan

Yup and he is trying to block a lawsuit against Iran by the former embassy hostages. Makes you wonder who's side he's on.

he is on the 'obamaside', which is cool..that's politics..but I got so used to at least lip service being paid to patriotic ideals...

583 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:51:13am

re: #562 KenJen

I hope they don't put him on the dollar bill. Those would be hard to avoid. Do they still make a 1,000 dollar bill? Hope they put him on that since I've never seen one.

United States dollar - Banknotes

Currently printed denominations are $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100. Notes above the $100 denomination ceased being printed in 1946 and were officially withdrawn from circulation in 1969. These notes were used primarily in inter-bank transactions or by organized crime; it was the latter usage that prompted President Richard Nixon to issue an executive order in 1969 halting their use. With the advent of electronic banking, they became less necessary. Notes in denominations of $500, $1,000, $5,000, $10,000, and $100,000 were all produced at one time; see large denomination bills in U.S. currency for details.
584 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:51:49am

Canadian soldier found dead on Afghan base


Investigators are still working to piece together the circumstances of the 30-year-old's death, meaning few details about the incident or Major Michelle Mendes herself are being released. However, a military spokesman here did say that "enemy action has been ruled out."

My prayers & condolences to her family.

585 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:51:55am

re: #563 pingjockey Well then what is Jesus doing in a pile of...oh, I get it.
nevermind.
As to Myrtle Beach, that's just an awful situation down there. It's not just that houses worth MORE than a million bucks are going up in flames, but Myrtle Beach is one of the country's greatest naturalist preserves as well. I really feel badly for folks who lost their homes, ya understand, but we may have lost certain SPECIES of waterfowl and what not too.

586 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:52:01am

re: #581 KenJen
I haven't bought beer in 2 mos. I have hope though, job opening at Lee Technologies, Microsoft sub contactor at the new server farm!

587 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:53:05am

re: #575 Kenneth

You should re-read that article. The report mentions an unsubstantiated rumour that a European country paid a ransom for the release of 2 European hostages, and that the 2 Canadians were possible part of the deal.

You are correct - it is unclear, but there is a certain odour of a secret ransom. 48 hour rule?

588 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:53:05am

re: #542 joecitizen

I saw last night that the DOD is going to release a shitload of "prisoner abuse" photos by the end of May..these fuckers will stop at NOTHING to try and discredit this country..this is gonna get SO bad...

Red meat for the far left. The democrats are in trouble - so they must re-fuel the hatred of their constituents. It's about two objectives: distract the public, and revenge. Screw our Naitonal Secirity and our ability to fight any devious terrorist enemy in the future.

589 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:53:35am

re: #585 realwest
We get forest fires here in Eatern Wa. and from experience that fire down there was burning very fast and very hot. Bad, bad situation.

590 joecitizen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:53:52am

re: #586 pingjockey

I haven't bought beer in 2 mos. I have hope though, job opening at Lee Technologies, Microsoft sub contactor at the new server farm!

good luck ping...

591 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:54:13am

re: #583 abolitionist

Forget cash. Soon everyone will be forced to use a national credit card with O's face on it.

592 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:54:22am

re: #590 joecitizen
Thank you very much!

593 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:54:32am

re: #554 soxfan4life

0bama will have his picture on dollar bills, just like he spoke about. Of course the trillion dollar bill he will be pictured on won't even cover your electric bill after he passes his cap and trade legislation.

I like our money just the way it is...

594 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:55:03am

re: #588 FrogMarch

As of 1/20/09 the only enemies of the US are anyone who is not a hard core liberal and common sense.

595 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:55:07am

re: #581 KenJen
I tried to get my favorite beverage store to sell me some late last night, they sorry, International Launch April 24th, but there was a pub in Ft. Lauderdale that had a party last night with the Guinness Girls in attendance. Too old and too far to drive for me.

596 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:55:54am

re: #591 KenJen

Forget cash. Soon everyone will be forced to use a national credit card with O's face on it.

It will be animated. As you use it, you can see him sucking up the taxes.

597 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:56:22am

re: #593 FrogMarch

I like our money just the way it is...

So do I, the problem is once 0bama is done it won't be worth the paper it is printed on.

598 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:56:30am

re: #565 shanec99
Hey there shanec99! How are ya this fine morning?!

599 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:03am

Cap and trade...40% of the cement coming into Cali is from...surprise, China and Mexico! No anti-pollution controls! Yep cap and trade is really gonna help destroy American business, which is what the obamatons want.

600 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:18am

re: #580 soxfan4life

My family will be just fine. Weapons training at the appropriate time, etc, etc. The real bonus is that both their parents survived Jimmy Carter.

601 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:23am

re: #567 dingleB

Heard about the Guiness 250 this AM. Will try to get some tonight. I hear it goes well with gardening and enjoying the 80+ degree weather we'll be having in the NYC metro area this weekend.

602 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:45am

re: #591 KenJen

Forget cash. Soon everyone will be forced to use a national credit card with O's face on it.

Or everyone can wheel about their own rai stone - they already look like an "O"

603 joecitizen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:49am
604 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:56am

re: #565 shanec99
Have ya seen the Madagascar Penguins yet?

605 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:05am

re: #587 Spare O'Lake

I give it less than 48 hrs for the leftist media to spin this against Canada. From what is known, the Canadian agents got help from the gov't of Mali & Birkina Faso, but no help from Niger. The hostages were traded or sold between various criminal gangs eventually ending up with an AQ cell. I would guess this was a very complex situation. I have no problem paying a ransom to save these lives, provided the terrorists are then hunted down & bombed. I doubt that will happen, thou.

606 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:17am

re: #599 pingjockey

If they think big business got us into the economic crisis we're in now, wait until they see what a lack of any business causes our economy.

607 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:34am

Fell asleep for a bit and then had dinner. Read the "Respectable Right" article downsite, and am convinced that said RR parties are the exception to the rule over there.

What'd I miss?

608 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:58am

re: #567 dingleB
I like your D&D story (also my fav donut place), but I have to disagree with the "stop bitching'" part. If and when we lose the right to speak freely and seek redress from the Gov't, then this economic mess will seem like the good old days. Rights not exercised have a way of disappearing forever.

609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:59:33am

Time to do some actual work. BBL.

610 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:59:41am

re: #600 dingleB

The problem will be how much debt service our kids and grandkids will be paying off.

611 tradewind  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:00:18am

If we ever thought that Pakistan was our friend, the fact that they are distributing their nukes throughout the country should change that. Puts them at extreme risk of Taliban capture... nice thought...
/sarc/

613 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:00:30am

re: #567 dingleB
"Moral of the story, stop bitching, we are stuck with BHO and his ilk for 3+ years. I just pray to God that nothing irreversible happens on their watch."
Yup, just like the shrieking LEFT (sorry for the redundancy there) stopped bitching about "W", right?
I mean, at least that national nightmare is over. Well except for Gitmo. And that interrogation stuff. And all those lawyers' opinion letters.
Screw Obama, when he starts acting like an American I'll respect him as an American.

614 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:00:52am

re: #606 soxfan4life
They'll love it. More gov't drones, same misery level, except for Pelosi, Kennedy and their buddies. Just like the old USSR.

615 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:01:20am

re: #611 tradewind

Their release of A.Q. Khan should have shown they are not friendly towards us at all.

616 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:02:28am

re: #614 pingjockey

They'll love it. More gov't drones, same misery level, except for Pelosi, Kennedy and their buddies. Just like the old USSR.


All they need is there dacha's by the lake.

617 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:02:38am
618 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #567 dingleB

re: #608 Lincolntf

Here's the other problem with your "stop bitching" comment.

It was fine for you at Dunky D's that they only had the kind you liked, but if everyone else didn;t complain sooner or later DD"s would ONLY have the kind you like

Sort of like gov't health care!

619 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:03:48am

60 dead in Baghdad bombings

Attack follows blasts yesterday that left nearly 80 dead

Police say back-to-back suicide bombings have killed at least 60 people outside the most important Shiite shrine in Baghdad.

The blasts are the latest in a string of high-profile attacks blamed on Sunni insurgents. Yesterday, nearly 80 people were killed in two suicide bombings on the deadliest day in Iraq in more than a year.

In the latest attack, the bombers detonated explosive belts within minutes of each other near the gates of the tomb of Imam Mousa al-Kazim, a prominent Shiite saint, located in Baghdad's northern Kazimiyah neighbourhood.

The bombers struck shortly before the start of Friday prayers as worshippers streamed into the mosque.

Police and hospital officials say 25 Iranian pilgrims were among those killed, and that 80 Iranians were among at least 125 people reported injured in the blasts.

How do they know the suicide bombers were Sunni terrorists and not Iranian agents?

620 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:03:50am

re: #605 Kenneth

I give it less than 48 hrs for the leftist media to spin this against Canada. From what is known, the Canadian agents got help from the gov't of Mali & Birkina Faso, but no help from Niger. The hostages were traded or sold between various criminal gangs eventually ending up with an AQ cell. I would guess this was a very complex situation. I have no problem paying a ransom to save these lives, provided the terrorists are then hunted down & bombed. I doubt that will happen, thou.

Is that called the "pay now, kill later" plan? Sounds OK to me IF they follow through.

621 aggieann  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:04:10am

re: #481 Erik The Red

Not job hunting, no paper skills. I will be business hunting. Looking at a gas station again or a Post Net/Business supply shop. I can manage/run almost anything as long it does not require a tech. skill. I have also owned Liquor stores and will be looking into that.

I will blue my name if you have any suggestions or contacts that would be wonderful. I may only get back to you tomorrow though.

Erik, sorry if you've already posted on this, but if you're looking for a location, I hope you'll consider Texas. Nice, hard-working people, vibrant economy, relatively low taxes and home prices, beautiful scenery.

622 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:04:11am

I don't own a television. Are any of Obama's antics trickling down into the MSM? Are middle-class Americans starting to put 2 + 2 together, and realize that the crap & trade tax applies to them, and is going to make everything more expensive?

Are ordinary Americans starting to think that maybe, just maybe, we're all going to be ripe for another terrorist attack if Barry-O starts prosecuting the folks who were trying to keep us safe from 2001-2008?

Seriously, have any of you guys talked to ordinary folks who get most of their news from the MSM? Is a lightbulb going off yet?

623 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:04:52am

re: #576 Kosh's Shadow
Hey there KS! Nope I heard Pakistan has decided to mobilize it's real military (the Taliban were beating up on paramilitaries - less well trained than our National Guards) and the Paki professional military is pissed off.
So of course the Taliban retreated. Last thing they want to do is go up against a paid professional military.

624 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:04:57am

Well, this explains who's controlling the shots in Pakistan. It's not the Zardari government in Islamabad, but the Taliban mullahs. They're deciding to pull back for the moment from Buner. They can just as easily go right back, and I doubt there's anything that the Pakistani government is willing to do about it.

625 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:05:05am

re: #583 abolitionist

Notes in denominations of $500, $1,000, $5,000, $10,000, and $100,000 were all produced at one time

I once saw a $10,000 bill, in the cash till of a Cadillac dealership, when I was about 10 years old. No idea why they had it.

626 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:05:14am

re: #68 gmsc

Hey! I just noticed I've finally joined the 5-digit LGF club!

Just 64 messages ago, I hit 10,000 messages!
:)

and 80% Karma too. Nice going.

627 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:05:26am

re: #617 Occasional Reader

Rock music fends off invading Mormon super-crickets.

Good morning.

Oh no. Are we converting crickets now?

Just kidding. I know how they got their name. Too bad the pioneers of '47 didn't have rock music.

628 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:05:29am

re: #618 sattv4u2

Now there's an argument against national health care that even a liberal can understand.

629 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:06am

re: #616 soxfan4lifeKennedy Klan already has a compound. Too bad they all don't just go and stay there and quit bugging the rest of us.

630 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:09am

re: #601 lawhawk
250 will only be sold for 6 months, unfortunately. Can you imagine the level of optimism required to sign a 9,000 year lease, and actually pay your mortgage every month for 250 years. I love the Irish.

The Nigerians actually consume more Guinness per capita than the U.S. does, 2nd only to England.

631 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:40am

Good morning all. Georgie Anne Geyer writing for the Universal Press Syndicate writes this morning that, foreign fighters are pouring into Pakistan's Swat Valley. This means Al Queda , as well as others.
This situation is deteriorating quickly & where are the nukes?

632 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:51am

re: #622 Irenike

I don't own a television.

Ayman, is that you?

633 aggieann  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:07:12am

re: #624 lawhawk

Well, this explains who's controlling the shots in Pakistan. It's not the Zardari government in Islamabad, but the Taliban mullahs. They're deciding to pull back for the moment from Buner. They can just as easily go right back, and I doubt there's anything that the Pakistani government is willing to do about it.

Any thoughts on why they would do this?

634 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:07:27am

re: #622 Irenike

Unfortunately most of America is still blinded by hope and change, although more and more are beginning to see through it.

635 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:07:52am

re: #631 opnion

I'm wondering whether al-Q moving their presence into Pakistan is a reault of their influence spreading or, from articles I've seen from time to time here, their being pushed out of Afghanistan and finding a new base in a more "accepting" population.

636 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:07:59am

re: #584 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! Uh, "However, a military spokesman here did say that "enemy action has been ruled out."
That doesn't sound good...at all.
But I'll join you in offering prayers and condolences to her family.

637 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:08:04am

re: #623 realwest

Hey there KS! Nope I heard Pakistan has decided to mobilize it's real military (the Taliban were beating up on paramilitaries - less well trained than our National Guards) and the Paki professional military is pissed off.
So of course the Taliban retreated. Last thing they want to do is go up against a paid professional military.

Zardari has been incapable of sending in the actual military to deal with the situation, so he's sending the national police and those paramilitaries. He probably realizes that if the military ends up cracking down, it's the end of his government (too many Islamists in his own coalition that got him elected) and the military is more secular.

Much of this stems from Zardari's choice of cutting deals with the Taliban - allowing them to impose sharia and to basically give the Taliban free reign in the frontier provinces.

638 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:08:49am

re: #598 realwest
Doing fine this afternoon (Africa time), I am sooo looking forward to leaving east Africa to come home.

639 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:08:59am

re: #623 realwest

Hey there KS! Nope I heard Pakistan has decided to mobilize it's real military (the Taliban were beating up on paramilitaries - less well trained than our National Guards) and the Paki professional military is pissed off.
So of course the Taliban retreated. Last thing they want to do is go up against a paid professional military.

It's about time.
I just hope they tell the Taliban that since they reneged on the deal, it is off, and the government is out to eliminate them.

640 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:31am

re: #635 laZardo

*is a result

/insert grammar-spelling-fascist self-flagellation here

641 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:32am

Islamabad officials have moved paramilitary forces to block a potential Taliban advance into the nation's capital as US officials question Pakistan’s ability to stop the creeping insurgency.

US military and intelligence officials have expressed horror at the speed of the Taliban advance and the lack of a strong response from the Pakistani government and military. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the sensitivity of the issue.

"The Pakistani Army is sitting on the sidelines as the Taliban march all the way to Islamabad's back door," one intelligence official said. "Why is the government putting inferior troops in the path of the Taliban, only to watch them get chewed up and spit out. Where is the Army? The Army is purposefully sitting on the sidelines, either demoralized by losses or unwilling to fight, while Pakistan is burning."

A senior military officer said the Pakistani complaints about a lack of advanced weapons systems such as F-16s and attack helicopters is "nonsense."

"The Pakistani Army doesn't need airplanes and night vision goggles to fight the Taliban," the official said. "First and foremost, they need to grow backbones, pick up their weapons, and fight it out. And if they don't do it soon, they might not have a country left to fight for."

642 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:41am

re: #633 aggieann

Mehsud isn't stupid and knows that he can't hold on to that territory in a military campaign at the moment. It was a show of force to demand further concessions from the Zardari government. He's probably going to realize those concessions too. Zardari may finally send in the regular army, but it's too little too late. The Taliban continue consolidating their grip on the frontier provinces.

643 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:49am

Uh oh. Blinky wants to appoint a troof panel, for the CIA docs. Sounds like show trial time.

644 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:53am

re: #586 pingjockey
Hey good luck with that ping! I wish you the best and will pray for you to get that job, too.

645 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:10:11am

re: #617 Occasional Reader

Rock music fends off invading Mormon super-crickets.

Good morning.

If that stops working unleash the green jello and funeral potatoes (aka LDS pot luck dessert and hot dish)

646 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:10:26am

re: #633 aggieann

Any thoughts on why they would do this?

I had said to get more ammo, but another lizard says Pakistan is mobilizing its real army.

647 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:12am

re: #604 pingjockey

I have never been to Madagascar, and I would not advise any American to visit right now, they had a coup there less than a month ago. Killed abunch of civilians and burned a bunch of businesses in Tana... not good.

648 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:13am

re: #627 EmmmieG

Oh no. Are we converting crickets now?

I can't wait until they make the movie about this. Think, Them! meets Footloose meets Mars Attacks! meets... erm... some movie about Mormons.

649 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #622 Irenike

I don't own a television. Are any of Obama's antics trickling down into the MSM? Are middle-class Americans starting to put 2 + 2 together, and realize that the crap & trade tax applies to them, and is going to make everything more expensive?

Are ordinary Americans starting to think that maybe, just maybe, we're all going to be ripe for another terrorist attack if Barry-O starts prosecuting the folks who were trying to keep us safe from 2001-2008?

Seriously, have any of you guys talked to ordinary folks who get most of their news from the MSM? Is a lightbulb going off yet?

Smart move with no TV!

There may be a very small percentage who are realizing what is happening. However, the drive-bys will never relent on broadcasting propaganda and disinformation to the others.

Couple that with a large percentage (IMO), who absolutely refuse to hear anything bad spoken about the one, and hopenchange will live for a long time. It's so ingrained now, that any criticism of the one amounts to racism. All they see is a hip, brilliant messiah, who will change the world by getting rid of everything Bush. (even though he is doing many of the same things Bush did)

650 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:16am

re: #635 laZardo

I'm wondering whether al-Q moving their presence into Pakistan is a reault of their influence spreading or, from articles I've seen from time to time here, their being pushed out of Afghanistan and finding a new base in a more "accepting" population.

Really hard to tell, but it does put them closer to the nukes.

651 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:18am

re: #586 pingjockey

I haven't bought beer in 2 mos. I have hope though, job opening at Lee Technologies, Microsoft sub contactor at the new server farm!

Good Luck ping.

652 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:35am

re: #591 KenJen

Forget cash. Soon everyone will be forced to use a national credit card with O's face on it.

Yep, and just like all our money, the bills will be going to him as well. Why do you think he's leaning all over the Credit Card companies to drop interest rates, penalties and certain lending practices?!?

653 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:47am

re: #644 realwest
Thanks much. It is a facilities tech job. UPS/HVAC/Load shifting for the electric supply. Right up my alley.

654 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:26am

re: #596 Kosh's Shadow

It will be animated. As you use it, you can see him sucking up the taxes.

Where the [expletive deleted] is my eye bleach when you need it?

655 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:28am

re: #647 shanec99
Heh. It's a movie! Kids movie.

656 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:45am

re: #636 realwest

Hi real!

No, it's not good. There is no word whether if her death was by accident or crime. She was a 30 year old major who planned a career in the military. Highly motivated woman, second tour in Af'stan. Certainly does not sound like a suicide case.

657 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:52am

re: #546 pingjockey

There is NO reason to release those photos, other than whipping up a frenzy against GWB and the military.

If it's Emanuel running this - and there's every reason to believe it is - we're in for a lot worse.

Riiip

659 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:07am

re: #618 sattv4u2

The "hook" to the post was bitching. The point was unintended consequences. I look at BHO I see a more naive form of Jimmy Carter (if that is humanly possible). I guess in laymans terms it would be "You get what you pay for". What the hell did voters think that they were going to get with BHO? It should be no surprise to anyone, anywhere what is happening, and what could happen in the future.

660 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:15am

re: #648 Occasional Reader

I can't wait until they make the movie about this. Think, Them! meets Footloose meets Mars Attacks! meets... erm... some movie about Mormons.

There are movies about Mormons--made by Mormons. We're just the only one who watches them, because only we get the jokes. (And we do find them very, very funny.)

661 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:29am

re: #568 Kosh's Shadow

I was going to say the jobs would be pedaling for transportation and to generate power, but then I realized that people also emit CO2.

Especially FAT people, according to recent "scientific studies".

But to thin 'em down, we need them to peddle.

It's a AGW Catch-22!

662 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:30am

re: #654 laZardo

Where the [expletive deleted] is my eye bleach when you need it?

At least I said it would be 0bama sucking up the taxes, and not Barney Frank.

663 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:33am

bbiab

664 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:44am

re: #632 Spare O'Lake

Ayman, is that you?

Nope. Wrong number:)

Is Ayman your friend?

665 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:14:16am

re: #655 pingjockey

Heh. It's a movie! Kids movie.

The penguins were awesome.

666 aggieann  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:14:46am

re: #646 Kosh's Shadow

I had said to get more ammo, but another lizard says Pakistan is mobilizing its real army.

Thanks, Kosh and Lawhawk. I appreciate your posts. Very insightful.

667 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:15:23am

re: #661 OldLineTexan

But to thin 'em down, we need them to peddle.

We could just starve 'em.

(Just thinking out loud, a la Uncle Joe Stalin)

668 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:15:41am

re: #665 Occasional Reader
IIRC, cartoon network has a series with them. My 9 yr old was watching it last nite. Doing a rip off of the Right stuff and Apollo 13. Heh.

669 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:15:42am

I do not think we are any better off allying ourselves with elected Islamofascists than with dictators.

670 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:04am

Pelosi supporting a "Truth" commission to go after the Bush Administration. Alright, she should be called herself to testify under oath about what she knew & agreed to after 9/11.
It would be interesting to see if her testimony would contradict others.
The Republicans really need to make this uncomfortable for her.

671 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:06am

re: #667 Occasional Reader

Straight Kool-Aid diet.

672 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:18am

re: #649 rightside

Smart move with no TV!

There may be a very small percentage who are realizing what is happening. However, the drive-bys will never relent on broadcasting propaganda and disinformation to the others.

Couple that with a large percentage (IMO), who absolutely refuse to hear anything bad spoken about the one, and hopenchange will live for a long time. It's so ingrained now, that any criticism of the one amounts to racism. All they see is a hip, brilliant messiah, who will change the world by getting rid of everything Bush. (even though he is doing many of the same things Bush did)

the longer the left and the MSM keep the lid on BO brewing and steaming away, the bigger the crash when he goes down...and he will...think of it that way

673 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:32am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Cartoon In Kuwaiti Paper: N. Korea, Iran, Launch Missiles; U.S. Launches Flowers

Curiously understandable. If such a thing were to happen it would be veeerrry bad for regional business.

674 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #643 pingjockey

Uh oh. Blinky wants to appoint a troof panel, for the CIA docs. Sounds like show trial time.

Drudge is running a She Did/She Didn't story on Pelosi with evidence she was briefed on this in 2002. I say go for it Dems. - pass the popcorn.

675 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:47am

New missle for the drones. Smaller than the Hellfire. Yaaay technolgy.

676 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:59am

re: #668 pingjockey

IIRC, cartoon network has a series with them. My 9 yr old was watching it last nite. Doing a rip off of the Right stuff and Apollo 13. Heh.

I burst out laughing when the leader flipper-slaps the captured ship captain. That's just... funny.

677 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:04am

re: #662 Kosh's Shadow

At least I said it would be 0bama sucking up the taxes, and not Barney Frank.

Okay, now I definitely need eye bleach.

/used to have a shrink that looked a lot like Barney Frank

//HURRR

678 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:09am

re: #611 tradewind WHOA! Hold on their partner, please don't forget that Obama, while campaigning, said he'd invade Pakistan!
If I were running Pakistan, I'd move the nukes and medium range ballistic missiles too.

679 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:24am

Taliban withdrawal from Buner continues

‘Taliban have already withdrawn from some areas and complete withdrawal will start after some time,’ militant spokesman Muslim Khan told AFP.

The withdrawal began after government threatened the militants with action and after outlawed Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Tehrik-i-Nifaz-i-Shariat-Muhammadi (TNSM) and Malakand Commissioner signed an agreement.

Separately, military sources said an operation against militants in Swat was to start within 48 hours. A troop build-up in the region was ongoing, DawnNews quoted the sources as saying.

I'm not too impressed by this report. The Taliban are withdrawing after an agreement and as gov't soldiers "get ready". Sounds more like a tactical withrawal by the Taliban in a position of strength, not a victory for the gov't.

680 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:32am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Cartoon In Kuwaiti Paper: N. Korea, Iran, Launch Missiles; U.S. Launches Flowers

The Kuwaitis are probably very glad it was Bush I and not someone like Obama back when Saddam invaded.

681 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:41am

re: #675 pingjockey

New missle for the drones. Smaller than the Hellfire. Yaaay technolgy.

Source?

And is it smaller, but with as much boom?

682 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:45am

re: #622 Irenike

I don't own a television. Are any of Obama's antics trickling down into the MSM? Are middle-class Americans starting to put 2 + 2 together, and realize that the crap & trade tax applies to them, and is going to make everything more expensive?


His approval rating is going up again, 65% at Gallup, 63% at Pew with a 73% favorable at PEW. Here's PEW's first 100 days polling.

100 days.

683 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:53am

re: #676 Occasional Reader
Any kind of flipper slap/fish smack is funny.

684 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:55am

re: #655 pingjockey

Heh. It's a movie! Kids movie.


Well the bullets that were flying until the overthrow of the government shed a lot of blood and generated employment for some undertakers and grave diggers during the current recession.

Believe me Madagascar may not be a place for innocent children or adults right now, the Disney movie is not about the reality of Madagacar the country.

685 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:24am

re: #670 opnion

Pelosi supporting a "Truth" commission to go after the Bush Administration. Alright, she should be called herself to testify under oath about what she knew & agreed to after 9/11.
It would be interesting to see if her testimony would contradict others.
The Republicans really need to make this uncomfortable for her.

Gorlick got away with the old doubleblab twostep

686 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:37am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Cartoon In Kuwaiti Paper: N. Korea, Iran, Launch Missiles; U.S. Launches Flowers

Obama is making an international fool out of himself, but he is still popular here.

687 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:44am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Kuwait gets it. They've seen up close what happens when madmen are allowed to run rampant with modern weaponry.
Can't wait until Obama announces a defense contract with FTD. "Green Defense", anyone?

688 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:00am

re: #682 avanti

His approval rating is going up again, 65% at Gallup, 63% at Pew with a 73% favorable at PEW. Here's PEW's first 100 days polling.

100 days.

That's because ACORN is doing the polling.
Or maybe because he let the SEALS get the pirates.

689 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:26am

Ralph Peters or some other military analyst yesterday suggested Pakistan's top military guy, Gen. Kiyani, may be waiting until the Pak population DEMANDS the military take over.

(Kiyani's predecessor, much maligned General Musharraf "took over" before the country demanded it, so Musharraf was always accused of having toppled a government, or of having taken power in a military coup, and therefore Musharraf was considered illegitimate by many leftists, islamists and the world media). Mustn't act too forcefully against beheaders in your midst, it isn't cricket.

General Kiyani may be waiting for the TIPPING POINT, at which Pakistan will scream for its military to ACT against the Taliban, instead of accomodate it.

(From Fox News Cable yesterday)

690 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:54am

re: #678 realwest

WHOA! Hold on their partner, please don't forget that Obama, while campaigning, said he'd invade Pakistan!
If I were running Pakistan, I'd move the nukes and medium range ballistic missiles too.

I remember that campaign promise caused quite the inner ruckus, though you'd have to get past the shell of "Barbara Iran" remarks to notice it. I think that one has quietly been put aside.

691 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:57am

re: #683 pingjockey

Any kind of flipper slap/fish smack is funny.

For you, then:

692 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:59am

re: #681 Occasional Reader
On FNC now, 5k compared to 500k. A hellfire is designed for tanks. This missle will have a shaped warhead, I assume, and is designed for SUVs and jeeps. Drone can carry only 2 hellfires, too heavy. This new one only weighs a 150 lbs or so.

693 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:20:07am

re: #678 realwest

WHOA! Hold on their partner, please don't forget that Obama, while campaigning, said he'd invade Pakistan!
If I were running Pakistan, I'd move the nukes and medium range ballistic missiles too.

No, Obama did not say he would invade Pakistan. He said he would authorize US troops crossing the border if they were in hot pursuit of Al Qaeda fighters. That is a very different thing than saying he would invade Pakistan.

694 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:20:09am

re: #612 joecitizen
Thanks for that joecitizen, but there's something about a photo of Dylan standing in front of a black Cadiallac Escalade that just doesn't fit with my image of him!
Now if y'all have version of All Along the Watchtower (backed by The Band) I sure wouldn't mind listening to that one again.

695 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:20:27am

re: #682 avanti

His approval rating is going up again, 65% at Gallup, 63% at Pew with a 73% favorable at PEW. Here's PEW's first 100 days polling.

100 days.

so what...consider the mentality of the approvers...it means less than nothing and you know it

696 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:20:47am

re: #684 shanec99
Yeah. You said you were off of east Africa and I was being a wise ass!

697 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:21:20am

re: #685 albusteve

Gorlick got away with the old doubleblab twostep

Didn't she though.

698 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:21:53am

re: #688 Kosh's Shadow

Using those tactics on the pirates would be considered a "proper, pragmatic" use of military force as compared to the indiscriminate use of military force in a certain nearby country over the last 6 years.

/trying to actively channel their POV

699 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:12am

re: #687 Lincolntf

Kuwait gets it.

Definitely not all of them. That recent video that was making the rounds of some wonderful "Islamic scholar" fantasizing about killing 200,000 Americans with anthrax? That was from a conference in Kuwait.

700 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:14am

re: #691 Kosh's Shadow
That's what I was thinking of! GMTA!

701 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:21am

re: #686 opnion

Obama is making an international fool out of himself, but he is still popular here.


A court jester is always a popular entertainer... did our nation elect a person who would be better suited as a jester?

702 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #688 Kosh's Shadow

That's because ACORN is doing the polling.
Or maybe because he let the SEALS get the pirates.

Or the MSM continues to drool over him & people are not getting honest analysis.

703 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:41am

re: #679 Kenneth

Taliban withdrawal from Buner continues

I'm not too impressed by this report. The Taliban are withdrawing after an agreement and as gov't soldiers "get ready". Sounds more like a tactical withrawal by the Taliban in a position of strength, not a victory for the gov't.

What Government? The Government died the day we forced Musharaff to resign.

704 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:03am

NY man sentenced to 5 years for aiding Hezbollah

NEW YORK, April 23 (Reuters) - A Pakistani man was sentenced in New York to more than five and a half years in prison on Thursday for broadcasting the Hezbollah television channel Al Manar and selling it to U.S. customers.

In one of U.S. prosecutors' more unusual terrorism cases, Javed Iqbal, a 45-year-old Pakistani citizen living in New York, was charged with supporting Hezbollah in 2006. He pleaded guilty to the charges in December.

705 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:05am

re: #648 Occasional Reader

I can't wait until they make the movie about this. Think, Them! meets Footloose meets Mars Attacks! meets... erm... some movie about Mormons.

I'm not terribly proud of the quality of most LDS cinema. The only exception I can thin of now is Saints and Soldiers.

706 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:16am

re: #701 shanec99

A court jester is always a popular entertainer... did our nation elect a person who would be better suited as a jester?

More along the lines of "village idiot".

707 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:55am

re: #692 pingjockey

On FNC now, 5k compared to 500k

You're referring to the cost?

Hey, for $5K, I wouldn't mind picking up a couple!

708 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:32am

re: #659 dingleB

The "hook" to the post was bitching. The point was unintended consequences. I look at BHO I see a more naive form of Jimmy Carter (if that is humanly possible). I guess in laymans terms it would be "You get what you pay for". What the hell did voters think that they were going to get with BHO? It should be no surprise to anyone, anywhere what is happening, and what could happen in the future.

* * *
Jimmy Carter had the advantage of a supposedly stellar military education and knowledge of US military history, supposedly from the standpoint of the US being the GOOD GUYZ. Then he flipped out and inverted history or drew the complete opposite lesson.

Odd how Pres. Obama without an Annapolis military education in nuclear engineering, or military history, came to the same conclusion Carter reached later in life, that the US were the BAD GUYZ.

709 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:41am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

I just try to be optimistic whenever the rare opportunity arises these days.
As for the "anthrax" dude, what can I say? Nuts and America-haters are everywhere. Including the White House.

710 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:46am

re: #622 Irenike
Sorry to say it but no, most of Obama's actions or inactions still get the butt kissing bit from the MSM and apparently most of his lunatic voter base is pissed off at him for not doing enough to drag us into socialism.

711 MJ  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:25:22am

Religion of Peace adherents show respect for Jewish holy places:

Site of Joseph's Tomb vandalized


Visitors to Joseph's Tomb in Nablus Wednesday evening were dismayed to see swastikas and other anti-Semitic vandalism at the holy site.

"We saw a drawing of a Star of David with a boot stamping on it on one wall," said David Ha'ivri, a spokesman for Samaria Regional Council chairman Gershon Masika, who was one of the visitors.

"Putting your foot on something is the ultimate insult in the Arab world," added Ha'ivri. "It is sad that is the way they treat a holy site. But nobody was particularly surprised."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

712 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:25:43am

re: #701 shanec99

A court jester is always a popular entertainer... did our nation elect a person who would be better suited as a jester?

During the campaign the guy was light on specifics, but heavy on hyperbole & sloganeering. he sold his persona more than ideas.
If heaven forbid, we are attacked again, he will be in serious ttouble imo.
How do you blame Bush, when he kept the Homeland safe for over seven years?

713 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:26:27am

re: #695 albusteve

so what...consider the mentality of the approvers...it means less than nothing and you know it

The question was asked about what Obama's approval and polling is the way it's measured. If you just want to think more of the country is drinking Kool Aid, it at least measures that.

714 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:26:32am

re: #703 Nevergiveup

The elected gov't of President Asif Ali Zardari. It is weak and corrupt, but it is the gov't. For the time being.

715 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:27:01am

Clinton says Israel risks losing support on Iran

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton cautioned Israel's right-wing government on Thursday that it risked losing Arab support for fighting any threats from Iran if it shuns Palestinian peace talks.

Signaling U.S. impatience with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's reticence over peace talks, Clinton said Arab nations had made clear to her that Israel must be committed to the Palestinian peace process if it wants help countering Iran.

"For Israel to get the kind of strong support it is looking for vis-a-vis Iran, it can't stay on the sidelines with respect to the Palestinians and the peace efforts. They go hand in hand," she told the House of Representatives Appropriations Committee.

716 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:27:05am

re: #696 pingjockey

Yeah. You said you were off of east Africa and I was being a wise ass!


Still am, I am in the Navy... we are here off the coast doing a lot of important work... not just the anti-piracy thing, although that is an important part of it.

717 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #670 opnion

Pelosi supporting a "Truth" commission to go after the Bush Administration. Alright, she should be called herself to testify under oath about what she knew & agreed to after 9/11.
It would be interesting to see if her testimony would contradict others.
The Republicans really need to make this uncomfortable for her.

I bet the "Truth" kookmission will hold meetings behind closed doors.

718 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:05am

re: #714 Kenneth

The elected gov't of President Asif Ali Zardari. It is weak and corrupt, but it is the gov't. For the time being.

Tick Tick Tick Tick Tick

719 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:20am

re: #712 opnion

During the campaign the guy was light on specifics, but heavy on hyperbole & sloganeering. he sold his persona more than ideas.
If heaven forbid, we are attacked again, he will be in serious ttouble imo.
How do you blame Bush, when he kept the Homeland safe for over seven years?

Have no fear, Axelrod and Emanuel already have responses doing just that in the can ready for immediate release by the MSM.

720 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:31am

re: #713 avanti

The question was asked about what Obama's approval and polling is the way it's measured. If you just want to think more of the country is drinking Kool Aid, it at least measures that.

it's not the 'country'...it's willfully ignorant liberals

721 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:44am

re: #693 Kenneth

No, Obama did not say he would invade Pakistan. He said he would authorize US troops crossing the border if they were in hot pursuit of Al Qaeda fighters. That is a very different thing than saying he would invade Pakistan.

Not that I disagree that we ought to be able to pursue troops into the mountains but do you suppose the Pakistanis would understand that distinction if they saw US troops pouring over their border?

722 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:29:31am

re: #672 albusteve

I hope to God you're right, I just don't think it will happen. I just think the damage will be unable to be undone. There is still a long time to go yet, so we shall see.

723 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:29:56am

re: #711 MJ

Religion of Peace adherents show respect for Jewish holy places:

Site of Joseph's Tomb vandalized

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

When the Palis first wrecked Joseph's Tomb, I said the Israelis should have blocked Muslim access to the Temple Mount until it was rebuilt.
They should do that in general. If the Palis block Israelis from worshiping in any way in their areas, Israel should close the Temple Mount.

724 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:30:18am

re: #711 MJ

As Ojoe I am dismayed at this vandalism.


Here floats a sea of clouds over the Los Angeles Basin, as seen from Mt. Wilson of the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone

A nature break for these doldrum days early in the big crash and before the big terrorist hit.

Yes I'm pessimistic today. In the long run things will be fine though. IMHO.

Good morning all.

725 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:30:35am

re: #693 Kenneth

No, Obama did not say he would invade Pakistan. He said he would authorize US troops crossing the border if they were in hot pursuit of Al Qaeda fighters. That is a very different thing than saying he would invade Pakistan.

Thanks for that. I never understood why some conservatives would object to going after even Osama if we had actionable intelligence. If we knew he was there, who would we trust in Pakistan to take him out ? Screw it, write his name on a Hellfire or send in a Seal team.

726 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:30:47am

re: #693 Kenneth

No, Obama did not say he would invade Pakistan. He said he would authorize US troops crossing the border if they were in hot pursuit of Al Qaeda fighters. That is a very different thing than saying he would invade Pakistan.

Actually... I'd say the spirit of the quote was somewhere between what you said and what realwest said:

"There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans," he said. "They are plotting to strike again. . . . If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

As with so many things Obama says, it's kind of vague.

727 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:09am

re: #717 KenJen

You're probably right.
And (coincidentally, of course) the only "leaks" that will get any play in the media will be the ones that whitewash Pelosi and Co. while condemning anyone with an (R) next to their name.

728 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:14am

re: #717 KenJen

Some more 0bama transparency.

729 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:15am

re: #712 opnion

During the campaign the guy was light on specifics, but heavy on hyperbole & sloganeering. he sold his persona more than ideas.
If heaven forbid, we are attacked again, he will be in serious ttouble imo.
How do you blame Bush, when he kept the Homeland safe for over seven years?

We can only pray that our intel folks gives us the information we need to intercept and defeat the people who would wish to murder our children as they sleep.

730 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:37am

re: #463 3 wood

Here's an example of left wing concern for the environment:


Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel


The CIC could have just as eaisy given this speech from his desk in our White House and broadcast it there. This is the same administration that made fun of McCain for supposedly not knowing how to use modern computer technology.


Don't you get it? Regulation is about you, adulation is about him. Sacrifice is about you, privilege is about him. Ignorance defines you, brilliance defines him. Loving America defines you, blaming America defines him. Poor, dumb, clinging to bible and guns defines you, being above it all defines him.

Different leagues... He probably had 9000 trees planted in Antartica to hold the ice in place. Offset, offset, offset.

Geesh...get it right the next time.

///

731 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:59am

Bush Saved Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis From Saddam's Reign & Clinton's Embargo

Does the msm praise Bush for saving Iraqi lives? No. The msm defends past failed policies:


Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

732 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:09am

re: #717 KenJen

I bet the "Truth" kookmission will hold meetings behind closed doors.

Probably & John Conyers with the gavel, & a gag order.

733 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:10am

re: #670 opnion

Pelosi supporting a "Truth" commission to go after the Bush Administration. Alright, she should be called herself to testify under oath about what she knew & agreed to after 9/11.
It would be interesting to see if her testimony would contradict others.
The Republicans really need to make this uncomfortable for her.

These people are truly f**king insane. They really seem to want to destroy the Republic in the name of getting their petty political vengeance.

734 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:13am

re: #723 Kosh's Shadow

When the Palis first wrecked Joseph's Tomb, I said the Israelis should have blocked Muslim access to the Temple Mount until it was rebuilt.
They should do that in general. If the Palis block Israelis from worshiping in any way in their areas, Israel should close the Temple Mount.

I got no problem with that, but heads would be popping in the White House!

735 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:23am

re: #715 NJDhockeyfan

Clinton says Israel risks losing support on Iran

Like the Arabs were going to give Israel much support anyway.

But this shows the administration is anti-Israel.
If the Paultards and the Buchannanballs take over the Republican party, where will Israel-supporting Jews go?

736 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:05am

re: #707 Occasional Reader
Yep. 5k for a guided missle is damn cheap!

737 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:09am

re: #670 opnion
Good morning opnion! Pelosi's "testimony" has already been contradicted by Republicans who were at those meetings. When told about the list of the ten interrogation techniques she supposedly said "Is that all we're gonna do?"!
Link is somewhere up thread here.

738 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:24am

re: #735 Kosh's Shadow

Like the Arabs were going to give Israel much support anyway.

But this shows the administration is anti-Israel.
If the Paultards and the Buchannanballs take over the Republican party, where will Israel-supporting Jews go?

Israel?

739 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:33am

re: #712 opnion

During the campaign the guy was light on specifics, but heavy on hyperbole & sloganeering. he sold his persona more than ideas.
If heaven forbid, we are attacked again, he will be in serious ttouble imo.
How do you blame Bush, when he kept the Homeland safe for over seven years?

* * * *
They hate Bush BECAUSE Pres. Bush did what he thought necessary to keep USA safe, and exported democracy at a high price, to keep us safe.

They hate Bush because Pres. Bush put America first.

740 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:38am

re: #719 soxfan4life

Have no fear, Axelrod and Emanuel already have responses doing just that in the can ready for immediate release by the MSM.

Upding for you! Any future attack will mention how Bush angered the Muslims by invading Iraq, and torturing detainees.

741 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:40am

re: #733 Occasional Reader

They really seem to want to destroy the Republic in the name of getting their petty political vengeance.

Exactly.

742 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:43am

re: #654 laZardo

Where the [expletive deleted] is my eye bleach when you need it?

He tells the pastor that he is beginning to see things at the edges of the universe, including an "eye that sees us all" in the center of the universe. The pastor replies that what he sees is "sin and the devil," and declares the biblical quote of
"If thine eye offends thee... pluck it out!"
(scroll to 02:25)

743 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:55am

re: #716 shanec99
What's your rate, I was a STG1.

744 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:58am

re: #733 Occasional Reader

These people are truly f**king insane. They really seem to want to destroy the Republic in the name of getting their petty political vengeance.

and on top of that, they will write the history and the truth will become a conspiratorial myth

745 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:06am

re: #721 DaddyG

Yes, I think Pakistan would understand the difference between a full scale invasion involving tens of thousands of US troops and a cross border raid involving a company of rangers.

Why do people here not see the difference?

746 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:13am

re: #736 pingjockey

Yep. 5k for a guided missle is damn cheap!

I think a couple of them mounted on the roof of my car would look pretty damn cool.

747 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #729 shanec99

We can only pray that our intel folks gives us the information we need to intercept and defeat the people who would wish to murder our children as they sleep.


Agreed, but I have a bad feeling that BHO sees justice trumping safety.
I am afraid that Justice to him means not hurting anybody's feeings.

748 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:54am

re: #675 pingjockey
Sounds great - do y'all have a link to that smaller missile?

749 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:55am

re: #743 pingjockey

What's your rate, I was a STG1.

Hay, what?

750 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #746 Occasional Reader

I think a couple of them mounted on the roof of my car would look pretty damn cool.

And very useful during rush hour.

751 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:35:44am

re: #737 realwest

Good morning opnion! Pelosi's "testimony" has already been contradicted by Republicans who were at those meetings. When told about the list of the ten interrogation techniques she supposedly said "Is that all we're gonna do?"!
Link is somewhere up thread here.

do you suppose those very words are in the records, or the minutes if there is such a thing...do they do that?

752 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:35:53am

re: #748 realwest
Nope, it was on FNC. It may be on the FNC website.

753 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:25am

re: #745 Kenneth

Yes, I think Pakistan would understand the difference between a full scale invasion involving tens of thousands of US troops and a cross border raid involving a company of rangers.

Why do people here not see the difference?

How many foreign troops crossing into the USA would constitute an invasion?

754 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:37am

re: #749 Nevergiveup
Sonar Technician Surface, chased USSR and Rooshan subs!

755 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #708 alegrias

That is any interesting observation. The Boat School or CanoeU if your are a ground pounder, has produced some outstanding individuals, but also some real wacko-doodles, ie. Ross Perot '53 ( who was president of his class, established honor system yada, yada, yada,. Carter had to take remedial math classes to get accepted in '43 and basically sat out WWII. I think both of them morphed into loathing the military. Please don't get me started on Ollie-by-Gollie North, I had a CO that was in the same class as him, but never said a word about him. He followed his mother's advice.

Do ya think mamma or granny bama ever let barry near a Marx Playset featuring "armymen"? Doubt it.

756 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:57am

re: #746 Occasional Reader

I think a couple of them mounted on the roof of my car would look pretty damn cool.

Or just drive around in a tank.
Anyone else watch "Tank Overhaul"? It is filmed at museums and private collectors that rebuild old tanks. Last night had some guy in the Nevada desert rebuilding a Soviet BMP-1 personnel carrier that had been through the Iran-Iraq war.
(Great vehicle. The fuel was stored in the center, with the troops around it, and more fuel in the back door, possibly so they wouldn't try to retreat.)

757 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:17am

re: #750 Honorary Yooper
But, a 7.62 minigun looks meaner.

758 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:38am

re: #733 Occasional Reader

These people are truly f**king insane. They really seem to want to destroy the Republic in the name of getting their petty political vengeance.

It makes us look no better than a banana republic. Bush & the Dems had policy differences, once everybody felt safe again, that is a far cry from criminality.
I swear, these people have never gotten over the Florida recount.

759 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:45am

re: #737 realwest

Good morning opnion! Pelosi's "testimony" has already been contradicted by Republicans who were at those meetings. When told about the list of the ten interrogation techniques she supposedly said "Is that all we're gonna do?"!
Link is somewhere up thread here.

* * * *
Pelosi suffers BOTOX torture willingly when that stuff is injected into her face--and all sorts of "suffering for beauty" I guess.

So I'm not surprised those EITs didn't seem tough to her, compared to her beauty "regimen."

760 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:47am

re: #737 realwest

Good morning opnion! Pelosi's "testimony" has already been contradicted by Republicans who were at those meetings. When told about the list of the ten interrogation techniques she supposedly said "Is that all we're gonna do?"!
Link is somewhere up thread here.

Well, then, we'll just have to tweak the rules of Truth & Hope & Change Commission so that only Republicans can be subpoenaed (or charged). Problem solved!

761 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:38:21am

re: #755 dingleB

That is any interesting observation. The Boat School or CanoeU if your are a ground pounder, has produced some outstanding individuals, but also some real wacko-doodles, ie. Ross Perot '53 ( who was president of his class, established honor system yada, yada, yada,. Carter had to take remedial math classes to get accepted in '43 and basically sat out WWII. I think both of them morphed into loathing the military. Please don't get me started on Ollie-by-Gollie North, I had a CO that was in the same class as him, but never said a word about him. He followed his mother's advice.

Do ya think mamma or granny bama ever let barry near a Marx Playset featuring "armymen"? Doubt it.

Only if it involved playing with a lighter as well.

762 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:38:32am

re: #742 Spare O'Lake

Being a 4chan-frequenting agnostic, I think the Extra Strong™ stuff works just as well. C:

763 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:38:34am

re: #743 pingjockey

What's your rate, I was a STG1.

Holy shit, you were part of the Stargate project?!

764 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:01am

re: #760 Occasional Reader

I wouldn't put it past them, since they are in charge now. Can't be bothered with having to testify, while having to run the country's business.

765 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:03am

re: #702 opnion

Or the MSM continues to drool over him & people are not getting honest analysis.

At least that a rational explanation, even if I don't fully agree with it. There is a bit of a band wagon effect in the media, a popular POTUS gets more favorable press then one who is unpopular. If 60-70% of the country likes the POTUS, the MSM wants to fawn on them to keep up ratings, if he drop's below 50, the critical comments will start.

766 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:19am

re: #737 realwest

Good morning opnion! Pelosi's "testimony" has already been contradicted by Republicans who were at those meetings. When told about the list of the ten interrogation techniques she supposedly said "Is that all we're gonna do?"!
Link is somewhere up thread here.

Good morning Real, that's why it is important to put her under oath.
This is petty, vindictive grandstanding.

767 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:51am

re: #764 rightside

I wouldn't put it past them, since they are in charge now. Can't be bothered with having to testify, while having to run ruin the country's business.

Fixed that for ya

768 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:51am

re: #746 Occasional Reader

I think a couple of them mounted on the roof of my car would look pretty damn cool.

Think of the shorter commute after you fire one of those at a car going 55 m.p.h. in the far left lane.

769 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:56am

re: #763 Occasional Reader
I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of a Star Gate at Cheyenne Mtn.

770 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:16am

re: #758 opnion

It makes us look no better than a banana republic. Bush & the Dems had policy differences, once everybody felt safe again, that is a far cry from criminality.
I swear, these people have never gotten over the Florida recount.

No, I don't think they have. All we need is the crazies on the right to take over, and the crazies on the left (in charge now) would be delighted. It'd just be an excuse for them to act as they wish.

771 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:41am

re: #758 opnion

Bush & the Dems had policy differences

As Taranto (I think) pointed out yesterday, Bush did not even float the idea of a "truth commission" to grill Clinton officials whose inaction led to 9/11. He correctly saw that this would be destructive.

But with these Democrats, it's all about WE WON!, consequences be damned.

772 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #767 soxfan4life

Heh. Already done though.

773 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:52am

re: #758 opnion

IIRC the word going around on 6 November was that Obama's election exorcised the Ghost of the Recount.

/but not, apparently, the ghosts of the 8 years that followed.

774 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:57am

re: #768 MandyManners

Think of the shorter commute after you fire one of those at a car going 55 m.p.h. in the far left lane.

You read my mind.

775 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:36am

re: #759 alegrias

* * * *
Pelosi suffers BOTOX torture willingly when that stuff is injected into her face--and all sorts of "suffering for beauty" I guess.

So I'm not surprised those EITs didn't seem tough to her, compared to her beauty "regimen."

Pelosi & Hillary could do a reality show, with weekly evaluations on whose facelift is dropping faster.

776 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:48am

re: #758 opnion

It makes us look no better than a banana republic. Bush & the Dems had policy differences, once everybody felt safe again, that is a far cry from criminality.
I swear, these people have never gotten over the Florida recount.

I'd like to see Pelosi and the Chiquita Banana woman photo-shopped together.

777 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:57am

re: #745 Kenneth

Yes, I think Pakistan would understand the difference between a full scale invasion involving tens of thousands of US troops and a cross border raid involving a company of rangers.

Why do people here not see the difference?

I think most of them do. I disagree with your assessment of the Pakistani government and frankly our own. If our millitary had crossed the border under Bush heads would have exploded all over the world. I'm not sure the lightworker will have any better luck with that arrangement.

778 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:58am
Pelosi lied. Troops Died

Hey Hey
Ho Ho
san Fran nan has got to go

/ I'm in moonbat chant mode this Morning

779 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:31am

re: #721 DaddyG

Not that I disagree that we ought to be able to pursue troops into the mountains but do you suppose the Pakistanis would understand that distinction if they saw US troops pouring over their border?

I don't think anyone would think that a massive invasion across the border to take out one cave or safe house would make sense. One missile, or a few Seals and choppers would do the job in minutes.

780 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:32am

re: #768 MandyManners

Think of the shorter commute after you fire one of those at a car going 55 m.p.h. in the far left lane.

Or, use these.

Watch them get out of the way!

781 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:52am

re: #765 avanti

At least that a rational explanation, even if I don't fully agree with it. There is a bit of a band wagon effect in the media, a popular POTUS gets more favorable press then one who is unpopular. If 60-70% of the country likes the POTUS, the MSM wants to fawn on them to keep up ratings, if he drop's below 50, the critical comments will start.

This is where the conveniently low ratings of Congress over the last few years will act as a "shield." Clearly there would be elements *coughRcough* in Congress preventing measures against the economic crisis from being fully effective.

/checking

782 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:53am

re: #746 Occasional Reader

I think a couple of them mounted on the roof of my car would look pretty damn cool.

You need to mount them behing the flip down headlights. Much more 007.

783 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:58am

Later folks!

784 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:00am

re: #776 MandyManners

Coming right up.

785 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:07am

re: #768 MandyManners

I'd probably fire them off at the first 2 cars I saw with 0bama stickers on them. Saw one yesterday here in MA that said Nobama, no experience, no leadership, no hope.

786 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:09am

re: #768 MandyManners

Think of the shorter commute after you fire one of those at a car going 55 m.p.h. in the far left lane.

Maryland, in particular, appears to the Left Land Bandit capital of the nation. I have no idea why.

(Fortunately, I commute by Metro.)

787 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:53am

re: #780 rightside

Or, use these.

Watch them get out of the way!

Oh, those would be fun in the morning!

788 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:56am

re: #773 laZardo

IIRC the word going around on 6 November was that Obama's election exorcised the Ghost of the Recount.

/but not, apparently, the ghosts of the 8 years that followed.

THey are riding high now & see it as payback time.
This could not be good for the nation.

789 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:59am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Cartoon In Kuwaiti Paper: N. Korea, Iran, Launch Missiles; U.S. Launches Flowers

Hey, at least it's a rose. They have thorns.

/

790 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:44:45am

re: #774 Honorary Yooper

You read my mind.

I coulda' used one of those this morning. Or, maybe a wee bit less tea.

791 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:44:58am

re: #776 MandyManners

I'd like to see Pelosi and the Chiquita Banana woman photo-shopped together.

That would be a sight.

792 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:03am

re: #785 soxfan4life

I'd probably fire them off at the first 2 cars I saw with 0bama stickers on them. Saw one yesterday here in MA that said Nobama, no experience, no leadership, no hope.

I saw one with 1.20.2012 , but that does remind me of BDS.

793 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #753 soxfan4life

How many foreign troops crossing into the USA would constitute an invasion?

* * * *
On Invading the USA:

Did you see the Mexican cartels are flying Ultralights and sending wooden "submarines" loaded with drugs, into the US? They ditch the planes & ships once the "cargo" arrives in the US.

Fox News showed footage of these cartel paramilitary tactics against the US, half an hour ago!

794 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:50am

re: #785 soxfan4life

I'd probably fire them off at the first 2 cars I saw with 0bama stickers on them. Saw one yesterday here in MA that said Nobama, no experience, no leadership, no hope.

Gee. Talk about hot political discourse!

795 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:17am

re: #726 Occasional Reader

Here's the full text of that speech. This seepch was intended to showcase Obama as tough and resolute. Take that for what it's worth...Anyway, it is perfectly clear Obama did not say or mean "invasion":


If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.

Nobody launches a full-scale invasion to go after "high-value terrorist targets". When op-ed writers accused Obama of threatening to invade Pakistan, he corrected them that he meant hot pursuit, not an invasion. So far, Obama has authorized drone missile attacks against "high-value terrorist targets". It seems he is slightly less tough and resolute than his showcase speech.

796 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:29am

re: #786 Occasional Reader

Maryland, in particular, appears to the Left Land Bandit capital of the nation. I have no idea why.

(Fortunately, I commute by Metro.)

Are there signs that instruct drivers to use the left lane only for passing?

797 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:33am

re: #693 Kenneth Sorry Kenneth but if Canada said it would engage in hot pursuit of terrorists in Canada into the United States, how do you think the US (under anyone other than Obama) would react? Hell, how do you think we'd react if Mexico said it was sending it's army into Texas and Arizona after narco-terrorists ?
You can't walk around running off at the mouth saying you'd authorize US Military to go INTO PAKISTAN whether or not in "hot pursuit" without the Pakistanis getting, ah, upset about THEIR territorial sovereignty.
and of course there's that pesky little problem of some treaties they have with China to act against India in the event of conflict between China/India or India/Pakistan. Words do have meaning, even if Obama is blissfully unaware of them.

798 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:39am

re: #754 pingjockey

Sonar Technician Surface, chased USSR and Rooshan subs!

I know. Joke--like i can't hear? Ping what?

799 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:04am

re: #792 Kosh's Shadow

I saw one with 1.20.2012 , but that does remind me of BDS.

ABQ must be the apolitical capital of America...I never see anything, a few BO stickers...no Pinkers, or Troofers or freaktoids anywhere in these parts

800 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:22am

re: #782 DaddyG

You need to mount them behing the flip down headlights. Much more 007.

With all the stuff crammed into the average 007 car, how did it have room for things like, oh, I dunno... the engine?!

Actually, my car does have these little doors below the headlights for these headlight-washer gizmos... I try to convince people they're actually concealed machineguns.

801 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:34am

re: #776 MandyManners

I'd like to see Pelosi and the Chiquita Banana woman photo-shopped together.

I'm Chiquita Banana and I'm here to say,
Get rid of the Speaker the easy way,
Just put a banana peel on the floor,
And watch Pelosi slide out the door...

802 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:48am

May 24, 2009.

Is Osama dead yet?

cuz the Prez said he'd get him way back when he was Mr Bad Ass candidate

803 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:49am

re: #791 opnion

That would be a sight.

This would be a good start.

804 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:55am

re: #701 shanec99
Yes. But a jester without much of a sense of humor.

805 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:57am

re: #779 avanti

I don't think anyone would think that a massive invasion across the border to take out one cave or safe house would make sense. One missile, or a few Seals and choppers would do the job in minutes.

Unfotunately it wouldn't do the job or the job would be done by now. At some point the ground troops are needed to root out the cave dwellers. I really don't think Al Queda the MSM and UN would make the disctinction between 100, 1000, or 10,000 troops crossing the border. We would just hear about American imperialism and how we invaded a soverign nation.

806 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:58am

oops.
It's April

807 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:09am

re: #796 MandyManners

Are there signs that instruct drivers to use the left lane only for passing?

Not in Maryland. They do have "slower traffic keep right" signs, but some people don't get it.

808 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:20am

re: #788 opnion

It's ALWAYS payback time for the Left. Particularly among the moonbats. Their politics are rarely based on principles or facts, but on emotion and a need to feel important by "taking back" something that is "rightfully theirs".
They're like a bunch of shrieky teens dead set on getting someone to pay attention to their angst.

809 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:22am

re: #793 alegrias

* * * *
On Invading the USA:

Did you see the Mexican cartels are flying Ultralights and sending wooden "submarines" loaded with drugs, into the US? They ditch the planes & ships once the "cargo" arrives in the US.

Fox News showed footage of these cartel paramilitary tactics against the US, half an hour ago!

Should prove interesting as to how the administration will handle this. Somehow they will find a way to make this our fault and give the millions of illegal Mexicans here asylum and eventually citizenship, as long as they promise to vote straight ticket for life.

810 AMER1CAN  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:37am

OT: New Gitmo? Montana town has this empty jail

"Somebody has to stand up and put (the Guantanamo prisoners) in their backyards. It's our patriotic duty," said Greg Smith, director of the city's Two Rivers Authority.

ohhh paaaleeeaaassseee

811 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:53am

re: #737 realwest

Good morning opnion! Pelosi's "testimony" has already been contradicted by Republicans who were at those meetings. When told about the list of the ten interrogation techniques she supposedly said "Is that all we're gonna do?"!
Link is somewhere up thread here.

This is gonna backfire on the Democrats big time. The Republicans need to find their balls, and go to the mattresses.

812 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:59am

re: #793 alegrias

* * * *
On Invading the USA:

Did you see the Mexican cartels are flying Ultralights and sending wooden "submarines" loaded with drugs, into the US? They ditch the planes & ships once the "cargo" arrives in the US.

Fox News showed footage of these cartel paramilitary tactics against the US, half an hour ago!


Sheesh, alegrias, didn't you hear our esteemed Secretary of State? That's all our fault, because of "our" insatiable appetite for drugs, plus all those fully-automatic rifles and RPGs that are easily purchased in Texas gun shops and shipped to Mexico.

/

813 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:18am

re: #755 dingleB

* * * *
Ross Perot did not hesitate to invade Iran (paid by Perot himself) to rescue Perot's employees from the mad mullahs, when Pres. Carter failed to act.

Ross Perot spent his own money to fly US POWs all over the place.

Ross Perot may have seemed nutty in some respects but he never lacked courage, guts or love of America and her military people.

814 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:32am

re: #771 Occasional Reader

But with these Democrats, it's all about WE WON!, consequences be damned.

For the first time in my adult life I don't believe our government can protect us.

816 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:16am

re: #753 soxfan4life

Define invasion. Define cross-border raid. Then make a reasonable conclusion.

Typically, an invasion is carried out by a sufficiently large force to enable the invader to defeat fighters they may encounter and then to occupy and hold that territory for a significant period of time.

A raid is a brief incursion by a smaller force intended to strike at a particular target and then withdraw.

817 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:20am

re: #765 avanti

At least that a rational explanation, even if I don't fully agree with it. There is a bit of a band wagon effect in the media, a popular POTUS gets more favorable press then one who is unpopular. If 60-70% of the country likes the POTUS, the MSM wants to fawn on them to keep up ratings, if he drop's below 50, the critical comments will start.


Good morning Avanti. I see your point , but the exception here is that Obama was the candidate of the MSM. Positve V Negative stories regading Obama & McCain had a huge differential. It was journalistic malfeasance, pure & simple. They are now invested in maintaining postive numbers for BHO.

818 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:26am

re: #810 AMER1CAN

OT: New Gitmo? Montana town has this empty jail

ohhh paaaleeeaaassseee

They'd make those fuckers eat bologna sandwiches.

819 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:40am

re: #807 MrSilverDragon

Not in Maryland. They do have "slower traffic keep right" signs, but some people don't get it.

They have them here in Chicagoland as well. They get just as ignored as the "Speed Limit 55" signs.

My major pet peeve is when people refuse to get up to speed on a ramp before merging into traffic. Folks, they typically go 70mph, get up to 70 before the end of the freaking ramp. Do not attempt to merge at 40.

820 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:58am

re: #813 alegrias

Didn't he pay for Carol McCain's surgeries as well? While John was being held by the North Vietnamese.

821 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:00am

re: #807 MrSilverDragon

Not in Maryland. They do have "slower traffic keep right" signs, but some people don't get it.

Maybe they need to attach to those signs ones that read: THAT MEANS YOU, STUPID!

822 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:25am

re: #789 Ward Cleaver

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Cartoon In Kuwaiti Paper: N. Korea, Iran, Launch Missiles; U.S. Launches Flowers

Hey, at least it's a rose. They have thorns.

/


But...where is the strongly worded letter?

823 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:52am

re: #781 laZardo

This is where the conveniently low ratings of Congress over the last few years will act as a "shield." Clearly there would be elements *coughRcough* in Congress preventing measures against the economic crisis from being fully effective.

/checking

Congress's ratings are at a record high now, maybe because they are passing bills. Still only in the 30's, but way up from the last 5-6 years.

824 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:58am

re: #784 rightside

Coming right up.

And?

825 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:10am

re: #793 alegrias

* * * *
On Invading the USA:

Did you see the Mexican cartels are flying Ultralights and sending wooden "submarines" loaded with drugs, into the US? They ditch the planes & ships once the "cargo" arrives in the US.

Fox News showed footage of these cartel paramilitary tactics against the US, half an hour ago!

Didn't you get the Napalitano memo? It is the NORTHERN boarder.
Pay no attention to the Southern boarder.

826 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:13am

re: #813 alegrias

* * * *
Ross Perot did not hesitate to invade Iran (paid by Perot himself) to rescue Perot's employees from the mad mullahs, when Pres. Carter failed to act.

Ross Perot spent his own money to fly US POWs all over the place.

Ross Perot may have seemed nutty in some respects but he never lacked courage, guts or love of America and her military people.

Amen. He may be a little flaky, but I've never doubted his patriotism.

827 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:46am

Send the Gitmo detainees to Sheriff Joe Arpaio's tent city

KSM would look cute in Pink

828 soxfan4life  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:47am

re: #822 yesandno

Well the UN Security Council did promise to deliver it. Shouldn't that be enough without expecting them to actually deliver it?

829 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:47am

re: #825 opnion

Didn't you get the Napalitano memo? It is the NORTHERN boarder.
Pay no attention to the Southern boarder.

Look at the shiny object.

830 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:04am

re: #801 Spare O'Lake

I'm Chiquita Banana and I'm here to say,
Get rid of the Speaker the easy way,
Just put a banana peel on the floor,
And watch Pelosi slide out the door...

Funny, but Mythbusters this week showed it takes a lot of banana peels to make someone fall down. One didn't do it.

831 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:20am

re: #771 Occasional Reader

As Taranto (I think) pointed out yesterday, Bush did not even float the idea of a "truth commission" to grill Clinton officials whose inaction led to 9/11. He correctly saw that this would be destructive.

But with these Democrats, it's all about WE WON!, consequences be damned.

* * * *
In Spain, the word for leftist "governance" is "REVANCHISMO" for retaliatory revenge, aka "Viva La Revolucion."

Bring on the guillotine, the Gulag, the Koolaid.

832 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:25am

re: #824 MandyManners

And?

Meet Nancy Miranda

833 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:28am

re: #816 Kenneth

Define invasion. Define cross-border raid. Then make a reasonable conclusion.

Typically, an invasion is carried out by a sufficiently large force to enable the invader to defeat fighters they may encounter and then to occupy and hold that territory for a significant period of time.

A raid is a brief incursion by a smaller force intended to strike at a particular target and then withdraw.

How did that work out for us in Cambodia?

834 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:33am

re: #815 MandyManners



OMG I remember that! Forget Small World, that Chiquita song will be with me all day. In a good way. Thanks!

835 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:54am

re: #725 avantiMy goodness, you're in a "hawkish" mode this morning aren't you?
And what do we do if Pakistan takes offense at that sort of thing?
You remember Pakistan, the ONE Muslim nation that we KNOW has nukes, missiles and treaties with China?

836 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:14am

re: #823 avanti

Congress's ratings are at a record high now, maybe because they are passing bills. Still only in the 30's, but way up from the last 5-6 years.

Yeah, sinking us deeper and deeper into debt. Wait 'til they wake up and realize just how screwed we are. Talk about a hangover.

837 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:35am

re: #829 Honorary Yooper

Look at the shiny object.

Look, there's Angelina Jolie!

838 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:46am

re: #819 Honorary Yooper

My major pet peeve is when people refuse to get up to speed on a ramp before merging into traffic.

And is it just me, or does it seem that more and more drivers just never really got around to learning that you're supposed to dim your high beams when you're close to another car (whether oncoming or ahead of you)?

839 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:52am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

Sheesh, alegrias, didn't you hear our esteemed Secretary of State? That's all our fault, because of "our" insatiable appetite for drugs, plus all those fully-automatic rifles and RPGs that are easily purchased in Texas gun shops and shipped to Mexico.

/

New bailout plan for GM - have them make the subs and ultralights, and sell them to the Mexican drug cartels.
/Do I need to?

840 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #829 Honorary Yooper

Look at the shiny object.

Now you've got it!

841 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:03am

re: #785 soxfan4life

I'd probably fire them off at the first 2 cars I saw with 0bama stickers on them. Saw one yesterday here in MA that said Nobama, no experience, no leadership, no hope.

Maybe I need to remove my Obama sticker before I visit my friend in Atlanta.

842 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:17am

re: #825 opnion

Didn't you get the Napalitano memo? It is the NORTHERN boarder.
Pay no attention to the Southern boarder.

If we're taking in all these boarders, we should at least charge them rent.

843 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:31am

re: #832 rightside

Meet Nancy Miranda

That is scary.

844 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:49am

re: #825 opnion

Didn't you get the Napalitano memo? It is the NORTHERN boarder.
Pay no attention to the Southern boarder.

Darn Canadians importing all that niceness!

845 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:49am

re: #789 Ward Cleaver

re: #822 yesandno

C:

846 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #822 yesandno

But...where is the strongly worded letter?

Obama wanted to send the pirates a strongly worded letter, but then he found out most of them can't read.
/

847 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:14am

re: #841 avanti

Maybe I need to remove my Obama sticker before I visit my friend in Atlanta.

848 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:22am

re: #729 shanec99
Gee shanec99 - you mean those intel folks that Obama is ready to bail on for following a prior President's orders - which were given the ok by lawyers working for the Justice Department? Oh yeah, I can see the CIA operatives lining up to help out Obama now!
/VERY HEAVY.

849 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:41am

re: #841 avanti

Maybe I need to remove my Obama sticker before I visit my friend in Atlanta.

You are safe in the city, just cover it as you pass through North Georgia to be safe.

850 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:45am

re: #843 Ward Cleaver

Should have included eye bleach, my bad.

851 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:48am

re: #832 rightside

Meet Nancy Miranda

I think I threw up a little in my mouth. Ick.

852 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:56:55am

re: #841 avanti

Maybe I need to remove my Obama sticker before I visit my friend in Atlanta.

Not as long as you're going to Atlanta proper. In the suburbs, you'll want one of these.

853 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:57:00am

re: #832 rightside

Meet Nancy Miranda

Fucking scarey!

854 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:57:07am

Oy, my day just went South. Here I was, all set to spend a day puttering around the yard doing spring stuff and my phone rang twice within 5 minutes, both calls reminding me that I had stuff to do. Dang it, days off aren't what they used to be. First, I have to drive about 30 miles to "finish" a job someone else started back in November. That should take less than an hour, but when I get home I have to go to this (I said "yes" to the invite about 2 months ago, and I know the guy so I can't bail):

Leo Morrissey: Selected Works, Reception
Arts & Festivals Leo Morrissey's work deals with the personal notation of time in his everyday life. He works from a conceptual perspective- his interest is in the commonality and history of objects, not materials. Venue: Salem Fine Arts Center. Friday, April 24, 2009, 7:00 PM – 8:30 PM. Salem College, Winston-Salem.

Oh well, tomorrow is Saturday, I guess I can loaf around then.

855 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:57:15am

re: #838 Occasional Reader

And is it just me, or does it seem that more and more drivers just never really got around to learning that you're supposed to dim your high beams when you're close to another car (whether oncoming or ahead of you)?

I think some of that is due to the new brighter headlights.

856 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:57:30am

re: #725 avanti

Thanks for that. I never understood why some conservatives would object to going after even Osama if we had actionable intelligence. If we knew he was there, who would we trust in Pakistan to take him out ? Screw it, write his name on a Hellfire or send in a Seal team.

I'll avoid Mandy's "THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT"... well, no, I didn't, did I. But anyway. The problem was not the idea, the problem was Obama chattering away about it OUT LOUD, oblivious to the notion (to use one of his favorite words) that since these actions would be territorial violations of a nominal ally with a shaky grip on power, YOU DON'T FUCKING TALK ABOUT IT "IN THE CLEAR".

857 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:57:33am

re: #821 MandyManners

Maybe they need to attach to those signs ones that read: THAT MEANS YOU, STUPID!

my aunt got pulled over and ticketed for driving too slow in the fast lane. I laughed my ass off.

858 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:57:48am

re: #846 Kosh's Shadow

Obama wanted to send the pirates a strongly worded letter, but then he found out most of them can't read.
/

They certainly didn't understand the "don't pee over the side of the lifeboat" signs. /

859 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:18am

re: #797 realwest

So you agree now that Obama did not say he would invade Pakistan? And you agree he was talking only about hot pursuit of an identified group of terrorists? Good, because that is what I have been arguing all along. As you say, words have meaning, and the words he did use did not include "invasion".

To answer your questions: how would Pakistan gov't and people react to such a raid?

I think the people would be very angry, fanned on by the Islamists, of course. The gov't would complain and condemn the US for doing it. We see that same behavior every time the US hits a terrorist target with a drone fired missile. The people protest, (although some do approve!) and the gov't makes a public statement of complaint, while privately approving the missions.

My guess is that the US military & top diplomats (ie Holbrooke) have had that conversation with the Pak gov't about cross-border raids. So far we have seen missile attacks, but no raids. That seems to be the current acceptable compromise.

860 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:32am

re: #817 opnion

Good morning Avanti. I see your point , but the exception here is that Obama was the candidate of the MSM. Positve V Negative stories regading Obama & McCain had a huge differential. It was journalistic malfeasance, pure & simple. They are now invested in maintaining postive numbers for BHO.

No question the MSM was excited about Obama and gave him favorable treatment. He was the cool, articulate young guy running on hope and change and they overlooked a lot.

861 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:35am

re: #847 VegasRick

Be nice, it's the only think holding the bumper onto his used Volvo. /

862 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:36am

re: #838 Occasional Reader

And is it just me, or does it seem that more and more drivers just never really got around to learning that you're supposed to dim your high beams when you're close to another car (whether oncoming or ahead of you)?

Tell me about it. That, and fog lights are for FOG, people, not typical nightly driving.

863 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:52am

re: #853 MandyManners

Fucking scarey!

It looks like a little of her grey dress and necklace made it into the picture.

864 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:58am

re: #861 DaddyG
Think = thing

PIMF

865 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:59:16am
866 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:59:16am

re: #841 avanti

Maybe I need to remove my Obama sticker before I visit my friend in Atlanta.

Don't do that. It's good for all us other drivers to know where stupid is on the road.///

867 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:59:29am

re: #820 soxfan4life

Didn't he pay for Carol McCain's surgeries as well? While John was being held by the North Vietnamese.

* * * *
Perot was kind enough, he could have but I don't know, McCain's millionaire family could have spared a nickle if needed.

McCain's parents were stationed overseas when Carol McCain crashed her car and was horribly disfigured, I think.

868 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:59:58am

re: #838 Occasional Reader

And is it just me, or does it seem that more and more drivers just never really got around to learning that you're supposed to dim your high beams when you're close to another car (whether oncoming or ahead of you)?

I can never find that dang button on the floor in time, even if I use a flashlight.

(Kidding)

869 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:00:11am

re: #860 avanti

No question the MSM was excited about Obama and gave him favorable treatment. He was the cool, articulate young guy running on hope and change and they overlooked a lot.

they didn't overlook it, they willfully perpetrated the scam...the MSM is my dire enemy

870 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:00:36am

re: #834 Russkilitlover

OMG I remember that! Forget Small World, that Chiquita song will be with me all day. In a good way. Thanks!

How about an eraser?

871 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:13am

re: #863 Ward Cleaver

I saw that after the fact... Mandy was getting impatient *ducks*

872 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:19am

re: #868 abolitionist

I can never find that dang button on the floor in time, even if I use a flashlight.

(Kidding)

That's because it's on the left-hand stalk off the steering wheel, you know, the one with the optional turn signals.

873 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:34am

re: #853 MandyManners

This one is even scarier, IMO.

874 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:36am

re: #743 pingjockey

I am a HMC with the SW/AW and FMF designation

875 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:43am

re: #813 alegrias
It's easy to spend money, believe me you should see my wife operate during Christmas, "you gotta spend money to save money". As far as Ross Perot, you can be a patriot and be a nut, loyal to your employees and be a nut, etc, etc, The issue with Perot is that he served only 4 years after he graduated at the TOP of his class. Believe me, the Navy is very clear to incoming midshipman, they want you for the long haul. The Boat School exists for the training and development of future Admirals, Captains of ships capable of starting or stopping a nuclear war, Leaders of the Free World. I think Perot became disillusioned after missing out on the Korean conflict and said F-this, its too hard to be deployed, having to take orders as well as give them I'm outta' here.

876 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:46am

re: #870 MandyManners

How about an eraser?


[Video]

cool song...always gets a rise outa me

877 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:53am

re: #860 avanti

No question the MSM was excited about Obama and gave him favorable treatment. He was the cool, articulate young guy running on hope and change and they overlooked a lot.

...and look where it got us. International laughing stock, our great-grandchildren in severe debt, it's a crime.

878 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:02:07am

re: #813 alegrias

As in Ross "What do you mean, you people" Perot?

/Tropic Thunder was funny as hell...

879 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:02:07am

re: #855 Kosh's Shadow

I think some of that is due to the new brighter headlights.

I try to consciously "correct" for that in my evaluation of what I'm seeing... maybe not successfully.

880 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:04am

re: #857 FrogMarch

my aunt got pulled over and ticketed for driving too slow in the fast lane. I laughed my ass off.

If I were a cop, I'd be on the look-out for those drivers ALL THE TIME.

881 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:16am

This is amazing! Go ye and watch this video - NOW!
(I also posted it in the spinoffs)

Discovering Bacteria's Amazing Communication System

Bonnie Bassler discovered that bacteria "talk" to each other, using a chemical language that lets them coordinate defense and mount attacks. The find has stunning implications for medicine, industry -- and our understanding of ourselves.

[Link: ted.org...]

882 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:17am

re: #811 Ward Cleaver

This is gonna backfire on the Democrats big time. The Republicans need to find their balls, and go to the mattresses.

Hoekstra was on FNC early this morning and said he is worried about related documents "disappearing". I wouldn't put it past Pelosi & Co. to engage in some CYA>

883 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:21am

re: #872 Honorary Yooper

That's because it's on the left-hand stalk off the steering wheel, you know, the one with the optional turn signals.

Unless it's on the dashboard somewhere.

884 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:33am

re: #835 realwest

My goodness, you're in a "hawkish" mode this morning aren't you?
And what do we do if Pakistan takes offense at that sort of thing?
You remember Pakistan, the ONE Muslim nation that we KNOW has nukes, missiles and treaties with China?

If they look the other way when we use Hellfire's, then they can look the other way for a half hour Seal/Ranger operation. To think they would reply with nukes to us taking out a few high value terrorists is just pushing the envelope. They would bitch in public, but cheer us privately.

885 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:00am

re: #869 albusteve

Yeah, there was no "overlooking" involved.
Remember this is the MSM that convinced the world that Obama was a great orator and used that as his sole qualification when questions on his utter lack of experience arose. That myth cracked with his boring, pointless Inaugural Address and was shattered in his subsequent press conference mumble-fests. They are tools, but they are willing tools.

886 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:07am

re: #862 Honorary Yooper

Tell me about it. That, and fog lights are for FOG, people, not typical nightly driving.

I'll confess that I sometimes use fog lights as a means of clearing out Left Land Bandits.

887 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:17am

Gotta' chop some veggies for dinner and continue laundry. bbiab

888 aggieann  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:40am

re: #865 taxfreekiller

On Obama:

Now that he thinks he has power, he will reduce the power of any one who in his mind reduces his total control. He is still in a rage over what he saw as a child and growing up of his self perceived lack of power. Now that he has some, no one will be allowed to challenge that power.

It also has to do, I think, with deep, DNA-level insecurity. He didn't have a stable, loving family growing up. Both parents abandoned him. Because of that, he has no integrity (in the literal sense of "wholeness"). That makes it easy to throw so many people under the bus when it's politically expedient to do so. Also makes him scary as hell as a president.

889 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:41am

re: #881 Salamantis Oh crap, and I was freaked out with fire ants communicating to coordinate attacks.

890 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:46am

re: #814 Russkilitlover

For the first time in my adult life I don't believe our government can will protect us.

FTFY

891 shanec99  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #848 realwest

Gee shanec99 - you mean those intel folks that Obama is ready to bail on for following a prior President's orders - which were given the ok by lawyers working for the Justice Department? Oh yeah, I can see the CIA operatives lining up to help out Obama now!
/VERY HEAVY.


There are a lot of loyal Americans who put service first no matter who occupies the post of POTUS. Remember it is the oath to protect the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. we protect the ideals of the Constitution no matter who our people elected, whether we disagree with him personally or not. He is our Commander in Chief.

892 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:05:34am

re: #844 MandyManners

Darn Canadians importing all that niceness!

Eh

893 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:05:41am

re: #771 Occasional Reader
That's kinda weird. After Nixon lost the 1960 election to JFK - when there was PLENTY of evidence that King Richard Daley I had literally voted the graveyard to give JFK the win in Illinois - which gave JFK the win in the electoral college, Nixon was urged to contest the election results. He refused on the grounds that he didn't want our fundamental democratic policies decided by a court. Compare and contrast with Al Gore in 2000.

894 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:05:49am
895 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:06:11am

re: #870 MandyManners

My all time favorite commercial. Didn't quite help me, though, I still grew up to smoke ;-}

Johnny Smoke

896 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:06:24am

re: #886 Occasional Reader

I'll confess that I sometimes use fog lights as a means of clearing out Left Land Bandits.

Left Land Bandits suck!

897 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:06:31am

re: #856 Occasional Reader

I'll avoid Mandy's "THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT"... well, no, I didn't, did I. But anyway. The problem was not the idea, the problem was Obama chattering away about it OUT LOUD, oblivious to the notion (to use one of his favorite words) that since these actions would be territorial violations of a nominal ally with a shaky grip on power, YOU DON'T FUCKING TALK ABOUT IT "IN THE CLEAR".

That is a different issue. Both McCain and Obama could have handled the question better by saying they would not comment on a hypothetical before taking power.

898 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #882 sandspur

Hoekstra was on FNC early this morning and said he is worried about related documents "disappearing". I wouldn't put it past Pelosi & Co. to engage in some CYA>

Is Sandy Berger in town?

899 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:08:54am

What is this guy saying?

900 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:09:23am

Sure we're nice, but we can be tough when we need to.

901 KenJen  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:10:18am

re: #880 MandyManners

If I were a cop, I'd be on the look-out for those drivers ALL THE TIME.

What is wrong with those people? I see them everyday doing 45 mph. Even in the slow lane it's dangerous.

902 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:10:55am

re: #859 Kenneth

Hold the phone a moment. Here's what Obama said back in 2007:

The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a U.S. troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid.

"Let me make this clear," Obama said in a speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

It's certainly vague as to whether he's talking hot pursuit or something else. He's also opening the door to invading an ally of the US.

For someone who is supposedly so precise with his language, his fast and loose use of language is certainly going to get him - and the US - in a lot of needless trouble.

903 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:11:02am

re: #880 MandyManners

If I were a cop, I'd be on the look-out for those drivers ALL THE TIME.

The real highway crime.

904 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:11:04am
905 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:11:21am

re: #877 MrSilverDragon

...and look where it got us. International laughing stock, our great-grandchildren in severe debt, it's a crime.

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change. As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

906 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #857 FrogMarch

my aunt got pulled over and ticketed for driving too slow in the fast lane. I laughed my ass off.

Today, I was on 495 in Massachusetts. 3 lanes. Speed limit: written: 65, observed 80.
Note that trucks aren't allowed in the left lane.
Two idiot girls were chatting away in the middle lane with one very pissed off truck driver about half an inch from their rear bumper.
I felt like yelling "Move over and let the truck pass, idiots!"

907 rightside  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:12:43am

re: #904 taxfreekiller

DODD!

908 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #898 NJDhockeyfan

Is Sandy Berger in town?

That bunch probably has him on retainer

909 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:12:49am

For those who think a few small raids into Pakistan without their governments consent or request would be a good thing for us militarily and politically answer this.

How well did the limited incursions into Cambodia work for us during Vietnam?

910 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:13:02am

re: #893 realwest

Compare and contrast with Al Gore in 2000.

Most liberals are CONVINCED that it was Bush who took the matter to court, of course. Since "his daddy's hand-picked judges gave him the election", etc. etc. They're quite surprised when you remind them that the suit began its life as Gore v. Bush, not the other way around.

911 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:13:10am

re: #899 FrogMarch

What is this guy saying?



"I've got hemorrhoids"?

912 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:13:52am

re: #896 VegasRick

Left Land Bandits suck!

Freudian slip... I live in DC... definitely "Left Land"!

913 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:13:57am

44 got elected for 3 reason and 3 reasons only.

1) White Quilt
2) The MFM
3) An Ignorant self absorbed young electorate.

He has no;
Substance, experience or integrity.

914 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:14:22am

What's a white quilt?

915 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:14:51am
916 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:14:56am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change. As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

Not so popular with the leadership of other countries, unless by popular you mean that they are delighted we have such a pansy-ass neophyte hell-bent on bringing American down several pegs in office. If that's what you meant then you are correct, he is extremely popular.

917 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:14:59am

Is that like a surrender flag?

918 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:15:11am

re: #899 FrogMarch

What is this guy saying?



Loosely translated: You don't need talent to make a video.

919 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:15:12am

re: #914 Shug

What's a white quilt?

Republican rainbow coalition. /ducks

920 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:15:17am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change. As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

Popular with who? Sakozy thinks he is a joke. He hugs every dictator he can find and then they rip us apart? Popular? That's OK I'd rather be feared and hated, thank you .

921 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:15:17am

re: #910 Occasional Reader

I remember actually paying attention to the news back in 2000 (was only 13 at the time, wtf.) I was like... "Wait, didn't Gore just concede a while ago?"

922 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:15:47am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change

Good grief.

Yes, Obama went around the world, bashing the United States, saying that all those awful things about the United States had nothing to do with him.

This, in turn, made him immensely popular with America-haters the world over.

DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM HERE, AVANTI?

923 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:16:20am

re: #902 lawhawk

I linked to the whole speech too. This particular line:

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

...tells me he was talking about a small operation, not a full scale invasion. In subsequent statement he said "cross border raids in hot pursuit". Actions since in office have been limited to drone missile attacks. Yes, Obama's speeches are often vague and open to interpretation, but it's a heck of a stretch to interpret that statement as a pledge to invade Pakistan.

924 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:16:54am

Socialism's dark heart as is currently being played out in France:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

America ... Is this what we want our future to be? If unions run amok and the government caves to them, this is our future. Is the spirit of Ronald Reagan (remember the air traffic controllers) alive in ANY politician anywhere?

925 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:17:20am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change. As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

you totally misunderstand...he's everyones bitch

926 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:17:59am

Being a devil's advocate on #905 for a moment, I recall the article about Obama being more popular in Venezuela than Chavez. Perhaps it's because Obama's election was seen (there, anyway) as more of a triumph of democracy than - by comparison - Chavez' recent constitutional referendum.

927 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:18:01am

re: #923 Kenneth How many gunmen would it take entering your home before you would consider it an invation?

...and again I ask. How well did that work for us politically and militarily in Cambodia? (No one seems to want to touch that historical nugget).

928 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:18:03am

re: #923 Kenneth

In subsequent statement he said "cross border raids in hot pursuit"

Yes, Obama later clarified his own muddy language.

(And even then, "hot pursuit" is the wrong concept.)

929 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:18:26am

re: #913 Erik The Red

44 got elected for 3 reason and 3 reasons only.

1) White Quilt
2) The MFM
3) An Ignorant self absorbed young electorate.

He has no;
Substance, experience or integrity.


Guilt

PIMP

930 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:18:44am

re: #906 Kosh's Shadow

Today, I was on 495 in Massachusetts. 3 lanes. Speed limit: written: 65, observed 80.
Note that trucks aren't allowed in the left lane.
Two idiot girls were chatting away in the middle lane with one very pissed off truck driver about half an inch from their rear bumper.
I felt like yelling "Move over and let the truck pass, idiots!"


slow drivers do not realize that they are unsafe.
My pet peeve? slow mergers.

931 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:19:11am

re: #926 laZardo

Being a devil's advocate on #905 for a moment, I recall the article about Obama being more popular in Venezuela than Chavez. Perhaps it's because Obama's election was seen (there, anyway) as more of a triumph of democracy than - by comparison - Chavez' recent constitutional referendum.

Of course he's more popular in Venezuela than is Chavez. That's not hard to do. A good portion of Venezuelans fervently hate Chavez.

932 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:19:33am

re: #929 Erik The Red

Guilt

PIMP


PIMP?

933 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:19:40am

re: #929 Erik The Red

Guilt

PIMP

Guilty white pimps?

934 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:19:41am

re: #913 Erik The Red

44 got elected for 3 reason and 3 reasons only.

1) White Quilt
2) The MFM
3) An Ignorant self absorbed young electorate.

He has no;
Substance, experience or integrity.

You can blame it on all those issues, or just accept the simple fact the BHO offered more of what the majority of the country was looking for and was able to articulate his message.
As long as the right looks externally to blame the MSM or stupid voters, you'll be marginilized. You'll need a candiate that appeals to those outside the base, or you'll lose again IMHO.

935 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:19:55am

re: #909 DaddyG

The situations are very different. You could also pick, at random, a handful of successful cross-border raids and build an argument on that.

Personally, I don't think the problem in Pakistan will be solved by drone missile attacks, or cross-border raids by US troops, and a full-scale invasion could be a huge disaster. Either the Pakistani gov't steps up and fight this war for real, or it will collapse to the Taliban & Al Qaeda.

936 kawfytawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:15am

re: #929 Erik The Red

Guilt

PIMP

937 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:18am

I see the blog war still rages on this morning.

938 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:35am

re: #934 avanti

You can blame it on all those issues, or just accept the simple fact the BHO offered more of what the majority of the country was looking for and was able to articulate his message.
As long as the right looks externally to blame the MSM or stupid voters, you'll be marginilized. You'll need a candiate that appeals to those outside the base, or you'll lose again IMHO.

articulate what he offered and what he has delivered

939 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:36am

re: #904 taxfreekiller

#891

Serving and Protecting the U.S.A. includes those within elected who need unelection.
1. Obama
2. Kerry
3. Pelosi
4. Reid
5. Barney Frank
6. Chuck Schummer
7. Patrick Lehey
8. Both Clinton's if they ever run for office.
9. Al Gore if he comes out of his cave.
10. ALL RINO's.


11. Keith Elloson
12. Al Frankin

940 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:43am

re: #816 Kenneth
Well if that's the case, then why did the North Vietnamese Army (and to a lesser extent the Viet Cong) use Cambodia and Laos (both officially neutral in the Vietnam war) as sanctuaries and when we sent in small groups of people - 8-10 at most to find 'em and call in air strikes on them, the Americans were forced to turn over their dog tags, ID cards and wore no uniform patches, badges or nameplates before going into those neutral countries?*
Either a nation is neutral or it's open for others to attack.
And NONE of what you said matters; it's how the Pakistanis react to that company of rangers with which you seem so willing to use to chase the bad guys into Pakistan.
Again, suppose the Mexican Government decided to send their version of a company of rangers into say Texas or Arizona after narco-terrorists or anti-government forces (forgetting for a minute that Obama is POTUS). How do you think the U.S. would react to having a foreign armed military cross our borders without our permission?

*and in fact were warned that if caught alive they could be tried as legitimate war criminals by either Laos, Cambodia or North Vietnam.

941 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:59am

re: #927 DaddyG

How many gunmen would it take entering your home before you would consider it an invation?

...and again I ask. How well did that work for us politically and militarily in Cambodia? (No one seems to want to touch that historical nugget).

The Ho Chi Minh Trail was in transit (from North Vietnam); the tribal territories are in place. That's their home ground; they have nowhere to flee from there.

942 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:21:22am

re: #937 Killgore Trout

I see the blog war still rages on this morning.

Should I check the usual suspects, or is there a new front?

943 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:21:30am

re: #932 DaddyG

PIMP?

I am having a great dday today with PIMF. LOL

944 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:21:47am

re: #923 Kenneth

I linked to the whole speech too. This particular line:


...tells me he was talking about a small operation, not a full scale invasion. In subsequent statement he said "cross border raids in hot pursuit". Actions since in office have been limited to drone missile attacks. Yes, Obama's speeches are often vague and open to interpretation, but it's a heck of a stretch to interpret that statement as a pledge to invade Pakistan.

What would you think of Canadians or Mexicans blasting through our borders, firing into our cities, collateral damage to our people? I agree that the word Invasion denotes a sustained operation, but I am horrified that Obama even suggested we would defy the sovereignty of a tenuous ally.

945 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:22:02am

re: #913 Erik The Red

1) White Quilt

I nominate this phrase for all sorts of things and uses, beginning with "Rotating Title" !

946 kawfytawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:22:45am

re: #945 Ojoe

1) White Quilt

I nominate this phrase for all sorts of things and uses, beginning with "Rotating Title" !

and I like "Guilt PIMP"

947 gymmom  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:22:46am

re: #914 Shug

What's a white quilt?

I don't know, but I'm not letting the cats on it.

948 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:01am

re: #935 Kenneth

The situations are very different. You could also pick, at random, a handful of successful cross-border raids and build an argument on that.

Personally, I don't think the problem in Pakistan will be solved by drone missile attacks, or cross-border raids by US troops, and a full-scale invasion could be a huge disaster. Either the Pakistani gov't steps up and fight this war for real, or it will collapse to the Taliban & Al Qaeda.


Please cite references of successful cross border raids where we did not have the permission of the country we were raiding.

Canada in the revolution? - oops not successful
Mexico in the early 1800s? - oops led to war
Cambodia in Vietnam? - oops politically costly and re-engergized our opponents

949 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:04am

re: #942 Sharmuta

Just the usual stuff from Crazy Pamela.

950 FrogMarch  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:07am

So now Barney Frank is out there attempting to re-write history saying "we should promote renters".

the rubes will certainly buy it.

But here's the truth.

951 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:08am

re: #927 DaddyG

You are playing with words. Use a military definition of invasion and work from there. Or are you going to argue that the Israeli commando raid on Entebbe was the same thing as the Allied Invasion of Normandy? They were 2 very different operations in scale, duration and intent.

952 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:33am

re: #931 Occasional Reader

And, perhaps, if (and probably when?) Chavez starts thinking of Obama in similar terms as Bush, it could give the fervent opposition the motivation and material they need to kick Chavez out of office.

Chavez did not technically appoint himself dictator-for-life, only opening up the possibility that he can be elected for as many terms as he wants to, and that's only if he can rally a sufficient base. Of course, for the time being that's fairly easy to do, since Venezuela's "masses" are naturally attracted to his ultra-populist rhetoric.

953 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:39am

re: #945 Ojoe

1) White Quilt

I nominate this phrase for all sorts of things and uses, beginning with "Rotating Title" !

re: #947 gymmom

I don't know, but I'm not letting the cats on it.

LOL. Like I said I am having a bad speeling day.

954 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:47am

re: #946 kawfytawk

"Guilt PIMP" is just as good !

955 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:54am

re: #946 kawfytawk

and I like "Guilt PIMP"

Sharpton, Jackson, obambi.

956 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:23:57am

re: #949 Killgore Trout

Just the usual stuff from Crazy Pamela.

"nazis do not hang out with Jews, even pretty ones." LMAO!

957 kawfytawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:24:14am

re: #955 VegasRick

Sharpton, Jackson, obambi.

exactly!

958 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:24:29am

White Quilt can cover a lot of things.

959 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:24:49am

re: #935 Kenneth

Personally, I don't think the problem in Pakistan will be solved by drone missile attacks, or cross-border raids by US troops, and a full-scale invasion could be a huge disaster. Either the Pakistani gov't steps up and fight this war for real, or it will collapse to the Taliban & Al Qaeda.

I agree with that assessment. And that is why I think Obama was wrong to bring it up either way he meant it.

960 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:04am

Rasmussen: 58% think Obama endangered nat’l security

961 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:08am

BBL — Work ...

962 kawfytawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:09am

re: #958 Ojoe

White Quilt can cover a lot of things.

true

963 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:18am

re: #823 avanti
"Congress's ratings are at a record high now, maybe because they are passing bills." Of course they are passing bills without even reading them but that's not the point is it? Indeed, name ONE THING that the LEFT did while President Bush was in office that was positive? They voted appropriations that exceeded that which Bush sought in his budget proposals. They wanted to withdraw from Iraq and TO THIS DAY will not admit that we won in Iraq.
The Left ONLY cares about the LEFT. Not about what's in America's best interests.

964 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:21am

re: #953 Erik The Red

LOL. Like I said I am having a bad speeling day.

Lokes fine tomee

965 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:25am

re: #881 Salamantis

This is amazing! Go ye and watch this video - NOW!
(I also posted it in the spinoffs)

Discovering Bacteria's Amazing Communication System

Bonnie Bassler discovered that bacteria "talk" to each other, using a chemical language that lets them coordinate defense and mount attacks. The find has stunning implications for medicine, industry -- and our understanding of ourselves.

[Link: ted.org...]

Did anybody watch this video I posted? What didja thinkuvit?

966 Miss Trixie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:31am

&#9834 &#9836 good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We've a beYOOOtiful Spring day in the valley and Lil Miss and I are going to spend most of outside cleaning up the courtyard and prepping for new fleurs.

I'm so glad I took the day off from work. :D

{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie-smooch* Glad to see you today - how are you and Mom?

967 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:37am

re: #952 laZardo

that's only if he can rally a sufficient base

He's using all sorts of ways to ensure that elections turn his way.

E.g., a law on the books right now in Venezuela that makes it a crime - punishable by imprisonment - to "insult the person of the President". You can imagine the chilling effect that has on the opposition press.

968 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #916 Russkilitlover

Not so popular with the leadership of other countries, unless by popular you mean that they are delighted we have such a pansy-ass neophyte hell-bent on bringing American down several pegs in office. If that's what you meant then you are correct, he is extremely popular.

I have never seen foreign leaders acting like rock star groupies just in hope of getting some pixie dust rub off. Fewer are burning him in effigy, crowds are cheering not booing and the rest.
You may be confused as to what the hell they see in the POTUS, but they do like it. It's now cool for foreign leaders to support the USA again where once it scored political points to be anti USA.

969 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #960 Dustyvet

Rasmussen: 58% think Obama endangered nat’l security

Yeah but only 47% of us thought that in November?

970 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #940 realwest

realwest: I'm not going to turn this into a discussion of the history of the Vietnam War. You know a heck of a lot more about that subject than I do.

But you do know that a raid is not the same thing as an invasion.

971 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:26:30am

re: #953 Erik The Red

LOL. Like I said I am having a bad speeling day.

Don't woory; they aren't big misteaks.

972 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #965 Salamantis

Did anybody watch this video I posted? What didja thinkuvit?

It crashed my browser when I tried to link to it. Will try from home on Safari.

973 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:26:51am

re: #930 FrogMarch

slow drivers do not realize that they are unsafe.
My pet peeve? slow mergers.

Same here. I fear I'm gonna be killed by a slow merger in front of me. Folks, you enter a freeway at 70, not 35 or 40.

974 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:03am

re: #968 avanti

Read Machiavelli on wether it is better to be feared than loved.

975 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:21am

re: #951 Kenneth

You are playing with words. Use a military definition of invasion and work from there. Or are you going to argue that the Israeli commando raid on Entebbe was the same thing as the Allied Invasion of Normandy? They were 2 very different operations in scale, duration and intent.


I am not the one playing with words. My issue was with the small raids not a big invasion. Entebbe was a kidnapping situation with citizens being held from the nation that carried out the raid.

I never made the comparison with Normandy - so please don't put words in my mouth and accuse me of playing with words.

I look forward to real evidence of successful cross border raids that didn't include rescuing citizens from kidnappers and were politically and millitarily successful for the invaders.

976 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #937 Killgore Trout

I see the blog war still rages on this morning.

I take it you've already been to Atlas Shrugs.

977 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:34am

re: #967 Occasional Reader

He's using all sorts of ways to ensure that elections turn his way.

E.g., a law on the books right now in Venezuela that makes it a crime - punishable by imprisonment - to "insult the person of the President". You can imagine the chilling effect that has on the opposition press.

We don't need a law like that in the US because there is no opposition press.

978 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #970 Kenneth

realwest: I'm not going to turn this into a discussion of the history of the Vietnam War. You know a heck of a lot more about that subject than I do.

But you do know that a raid is not the same thing as an invasion.

The Canadians from Deippe sure know that.

979 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:53am

re: #968 avanti

I have never seen foreign leaders acting like rock star groupies just in hope of getting some pixie dust rub off. Fewer are burning him in effigy, crowds are cheering not booing and the rest.
You may be confused as to what the hell they see in the POTUS, but they do like it. It's now cool for foreign leaders to support the USA again where once it scored political points to be anti USA.

BO is a Euro commie clone...no surprise he is popular over there...so what's your point?

980 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:28:14am

re: #860 avanti

No question the MSM was excited about Obama and gave him favorable treatment. He was the cool, articulate young guy running on hope and change and they overlooked a lot.


That's all true, but they crossed a line. They became advocates for Obama & lost all objectivity. Their conduct was completely unethical, as they sought to control the outcome of an election, rathetr than reprt the news & dispense information. In reality the MSM became the Obama Media.

981 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:28:54am

re: #948 DaddyG

Please cite references of successful cross border raids where we did not have the permission of the country we were raiding.

Canada in the revolution? - oops not successful

That wasn't a border raid, that was an invasion.

Mexico in the early 1800s? - oops led to war

By "early" you mean 1846? That too was a full-scale invasion & it worked out pretty well for everyone, except Mexico.

Cambodia in Vietnam? - oops politically costly and re-engergized our opponents

Subject of a whole 'nother debate.

982 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:29:10am

re: #967 Occasional Reader

Point. And he and/or his allies seem to have an impressive knowledge of the loopholes in the Venezuelan system, as seen with the closure of that TV station a couple years back. It was not the government actively shutting the station down as they were operating on a technicality by not letting its license get renewed.

983 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:29:12am

re: #948 DaddyG

I'm not arguing either for or against such a strategy. I am simply trying to make the very clear point that Obama did not say "invasion", & that he meant raids or drone operations.

Cambodia is irrelevant to this discussion. So is Dunkirk, for that matter.

984 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:29:58am

re: #968 avanti

I have never seen foreign leaders acting like rock star groupies just in hope of getting some pixie dust rub off. Fewer are burning him in effigy, crowds are cheering not booing and the rest.
You may be confused as to what the hell they see in the POTUS, but they do like it. It's now cool for foreign leaders to support the USA again where once it scored political points to be anti USA.

The see a President who they can control. They see a weakened America. They see an America ashamed of its superpower status. They see a pansy and they are delighted. You take their joy as affirmation, you are as blind as Obama.

985 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:30:22am

re: #974 Ojoe

Read Machiavelli on wether it is better to be feared than loved.

"I want people to love me so much, that they're scared of how much they love me."
Michael Scott

986 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:31:06am

re: #980 opnion

That's all true, but they crossed a line. They became advocates for Obama & lost all objectivity. Their conduct was completely unethical, as they sought to control the outcome of an election, rathetr than reprt the news & dispense information. In reality the MSM became the Obama Media.

only a socialists/commie will argue this point...it is useless

987 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:31:11am

re: #981 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey re: Mexico I meant the incursions and border disputes prior to Scott's long march.

988 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:31:46am

re: #983 Kenneth

Cambodia is irrelevant to this discussion.

Plus, Obama was only a child at the time, so it's historically irrelevant...

989 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:31:50am
990 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:32:00am

re: #938 albusteve

articulate what he offered and what he has delivered

What he's delivering is what is causing the rights heads to explode. He's delivering a lot of the liberal agenda that he told the voters he would.

991 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:32:03am

re: #942 Sharmuta

Should I check the usual suspects, or is there a new front?

If you want to. Atlas Shrieks (Pam) is being her usual dippy self. The counterfeit site has not one, but two threads up about us. The webmaster of that GoV vs. The World vs. LGF site needs to get a life.

992 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:32:09am

re: #975 DaddyG

I'm not to putting words in your mouth. I mentioned Entebbe vs Normandy as an illustration of the difference between a raid and an invasion. They are two very different types military operations. Obama never said he would invade Pakistan. He did say raids or drone missions. See the difference?

993 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:32:53am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change. As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

Avanti, Obama disses our traditional allys & sucks up to those who wish us ill. Sarkozy sees him as exercising poor judgement, Merkle sees "Something" that she doesn't like.
Israel knows that they are in deep weeds.
Hugo, the Castro Brothers, Ahmidinejad? Let's party!

994 tokyobk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:33:06am

I agree that world leaders like Obama in that Jimmy Carter kind of way. Obama does seem to think America needs to be humbled as if its all our fault.

But I also think Bush was a liability. An american leader should be smart and/or articulate.

Obama is more charismatic than Bush by any metric whatever one thinks of his policies. In fact, the criticisms of him as an empty suit tacitly acknowledge this charisma.

In fact Bush's defaults made an Obama presidency possible.

995 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:33:10am

re: #935 Kenneth

The President and his Secretary of State need to make an immediate trip to Pakistan to meet with Taliban representatives, and to apologize for past American excesses, including removal of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. That'll solve the problem! It also would help if President Obama would stop murdering Afghan children. sarc//

996 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:33:19am

re: #993 opnion

Avanti, Obama disses our traditional allys & sucks up to those who wish us ill. Sarkozy sees him as exercising poor judgement, Merkle sees "Something" that she doesn't like.
Israel knows that they are in deep weeds.
Hugo, the Castro Brothers, Ahmidinejad? Let's party!

G-D I wanna cry

997 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:33:21am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change.

Hmm, he's popular with Ahmadinejhad because he will do nothing to stop him and just enables him.
He's popular with Kim in the DPRK beause he will do nothing to stop him and just enables him.
He's popular with Assad in Syria because he will do nothing to stop him amd just enables him.
He's popular with Chavez, Ortega, and Morales because he will do nothing to stop them and just enables them.
He's popular with the Castros and Putin because he will not take a stand against them and just enables them.
He's popular with those who believe that America is the root cause of all of the problems in the world.
He's popular with those who believe that America must share its wealth with others in the world.

Being popular is NOT being a leader or someone with the character to lead as oppose to appeasing and apologizing.

As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

TARP 1 and TARP 2 were intended to prevent the collapse of major financial institutions and attempt to recapitalize the credit markets. This President's position is to not permit the institutions to repay the funds, put in place controls and restrictions on compensation in those institutions, gain an equity (ownership) stake in those institutions, and exert stifling federal government controls on those institutions. His action to address the overall economic challenges was the rush to get a $787B porkulus package passed where .0001% of the funds have hit the streets. Since as you note, there are already signs of the economy hitting bottom and perhaps starting to slowly rebound, it is not the impact of anything Obmama has done but free markets recovering on their own after being royally screwed up by government intervention. Once this package actually hits, and the deficits double, taxes increase, whatever recovery that is taking place will be emothered.

If higher spending and deficits cures recessions, there would never have been a recession since 1945. What cures recessions and generates increased government revenues are across the board tax cuts, reduced / stable government spending, and no government interference in free markets.

998 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:33:55am

re: #905 avanti

We are not a International laughing stock, we have POTUS that is popular around most of the world for a change. As to the debt, you'll be right if he does not turn the economy around enough to pay not the debt. Early signs are the economy is slowly recovering, but we'll never know how much TARP 1 or 2 helped.

popular?
he isn't popular except to the extent that the enemy thinks they can use him to their advantage.
sarkozy called him shallow, hugo said he was an ignoramus, dinner jacket laughs in his face and clenches even harder.
o is ridiculed and considered a foolish dilettante by most of the world.

999 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:17am

re: #987 DaddyG

re: Mexico I meant the incursions and border disputes prior to Scott's long march.

Poncho Villa's raids into NM and Texas were successful

1000 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:32am

re: #984 Russkilitlover

The see a President who they can control. They see a weakened America. They see an America ashamed of its superpower status. They see a pansy and they are delighted. You take their joy as affirmation, you are as blind as Obama.

Avanti is parroting the Rahm E. line about the European Apology Tour. Sure, it achieved almost no concrete goals for the country... no European combat troop commitments for Afghanistan, a paltry 2 Gitmo detainees to be taken by France... but everywhere he went, Obama was greeted by adoring throngs. The trip served the Greater Glory of Obama. Therefore, the trip was a success.

1001 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:36am

re: #987 DaddyG

The U.S. military chased Pancho Villa across the U.S. border prior to WWI. IIRC, Villa had been raiding U.S. border towns.

1002 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:38am

re: #991 Honorary Yooper

If you want to. Atlas Shrieks (Pam) is being her usual dippy self. The counterfeit site has not one, but two threads up about us. The webmaster of that GoV vs. The World vs. LGF site needs to get a life.

I worry about these people sometimes. What would they do with themselves if they didn't have LGF to stalk?

1003 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:41am

re: #983 Kenneth

I'm not arguing either for or against such a strategy. I am simply trying to make the very clear point that Obama did not say "invasion", & that he meant raids or drone operations.

Cambodia is irrelevant to this discussion. So is Dunkirk, for that matter.


I never said Obama stated he wanted to invate. You are missing my point that the distinction would be lost anyway on any country we entered no matter how small the force. That statement is still grist for the "American imperialism" argument that our enemies use. Especially since it includes the implied threat "if they don't take care of it we will".

The problem with Obama's statement had nothing to do with the distinction between raid and invasion. Even if you succeed in convincing every blogger in the world not to use the word invasion the statements Obama made are damaging to the relationship with Pakistan and don't do anything to help their struggling government fend off the enemy within.

1004 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:49am

re: #956 Sharmuta
An interesting admission in the article she links to...


The mainstream "conservative" parties in Europe have refused to address effectively the issues of immigration and multiculturalism. (In Europe, multiculturalism takes the form of pandering to their massive number of Islamic immigrants.) Because mainstream politicians have forfeited leadership on these legitimate concerns of their citizens, the vacuum has been filled by the likes of Reitz and Worch. Ergo, if there is a conference in Europe addressing the question of whether Islamicization is a threat, it won't be organized entirely by "respectable" types.

Heh.

1005 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:56am

re: #992 Kenneth

I'm not to putting words in your mouth. I mentioned Entebbe vs Normandy as an illustration of the difference between a raid and an invasion. They are two very different types military operations. Obama never said he would invade Pakistan. He did say raids or drone missions. See the difference?

The SOB said it as part of his campaign. That's the problem. You don't telegraph around the world that America doesn't give a shit about other countries borders, participation, or populations.

1006 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:34:58am

When did being President of The United States of America become a popularity contest? Fuck the rest of the world. Do what s right is for us first and then worry about the rest.

1007 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:35:20am

re: #989 taxfreekiller

This about sums up the no good chicken shit Obama Democrats.

[Link: www.climatedepot.com...]

It's Gingrich vs. Gore at Friday's global warming hearing.

The House Energy and Commerce subcommittee has added former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) to the roster of witnesses for its hearing on a climate bill Friday. He joins former Vice President Al Gore on the witness list.

The pairing sets up a showdown of two top past officials from the major parties who have come to represent big thoughts and star power for their respective parties.

1008 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:35:26am

re: #980 opnion

I reserve the right to be skeptical. There's still the possibility that the media can turn on Obama like they did with Bush, seeing as how they may believe it was their efforts that got him into power.

There was, curiously, a BBC World article a couple nights back where they actually went to the Chicago neighborhoods from his community organizer days to see what life is like. And yes, they showed it was still rundown. The people there were generally supportive of Obama (and they did mention the "world's richest neighborhood line", but the reporters also pointed out that sort of "nothing really changes here" attitude that pervades neighborhoods like those.

Whether it's a fluke article or not, we shall see.

1009 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:35:27am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

Today is a very important day for us Aussies...ANZAC Day

A day to commemorate the fallen in all wars, a legend born in the defeat at Gallipoli

Lest we Forget

1010 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:35:27am
1011 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #990 avanti

What he's delivering is what is causing the rights heads to explode. He's delivering a lot of the liberal agenda that he told the voters he would.

your'e dodging the question, but I really don't care

1012 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:36:23am

re: #1004 Killgore Trout

Ergo, if there is a conference in Europe addressing the question of whether Islamicization is a threat, it won't be organized entirely by "respectable" types.

LOL! So we've noticed.

1013 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:36:43am

re: #1008 laZardo

*world's richest country

/PIMF

1014 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:37:42am

re: #884 avanti
Huh, "a half hour Seal/Ranger operation." You really have NO IDEA what you're talking about do you? The SWAT is one of the most inhospitable places on earth.
LindaMarie - who's in Afghanistan and has been to SWAT says "Imagine the Grand Canyon only 50 times the length and breadth of it with NO places for helicopters to land and NO real roads for tanks or even Humvees to drive across." A half an hour? And it may very well be that they won't use nukes against us, but they sure could sell one or two to others who would use them against us.
And you STILL DON'T GET IT. Hot Pursuit or not, sending YOUR armed forces into another nation with whom you are not at war without that nation's permission, is a violation of international law.

1015 J.S.  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #905 avanti

What's happening outside the United States is a vindication of everything the America haters had claimed. Thus, the United States acts arrogantly; thus the United States was dismissive of Europe, its moral superior; thus, the United States is racist; thus the United States is a nation "born in sin"; thus, the United States now needs to be contrite and sorrowful for all its past misdeeds. On and on it goes. (and just wait until Obama releases, as per an LA Times article, all the photos of torture at Abu Ghraib prison -- ready for that one? The America haters will be absolutely ecstatic.)

1016 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:38:42am

re: #1006 Erik The Red

When did being President of The United States of America become a popularity contest? Fuck the rest of the world. Do what s right is for us first and then worry about the rest.

1017 wee fury  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:38:48am

re: #1009 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

Today is a very important day for us Aussies...ANZAC Day

A day to commemorate the fallen in all wars, a legend born in the defeat at Gallipoli

Lest we Forget

Thank you for posting this. I hope you put the link in the History spin-off links.

1018 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:39:01am

My wife needs comfort food. Need to drive 30 minutes one way to get. BBL

1019 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:39:10am

re: #999 albusteve

Poncho Villa's raids into NM and Texas were successful

Not for the relationship between Mexico and the US. ...and that is precisely the problem with Obama trying to sound tough by threatening to send raids into Pakistan if they won't do it themselves.

Don't get me wrong- I would love to see us come to an arrangement with Pakistan to clear the mountains of the Taliban, but the same party who decried Bush's "unilateralism" now want to defend Obama getting tough with an ally?

1020 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:39:58am

re: #979 albusteve

BO is a Euro commie clone...no surprise he is popular over there...so what's your point?

Very few communist countries in Europe so I missed your point too. I don't think a commie US POTUS would be popular with most of our European allies.

1021 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:40:01am

re: #1011 albusteve

I think he means that Obama is a politician delivering on his campaign promises, as clearly controversial as they were since before the election period. Part of what keeps him popular is just that, as he and/or his inner circle know that one big criticism against the previous administration and Congresses was that they were either being hypocritical or just not getting anything done.

1022 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:40:19am

re: #1001 quickjustice

The U.S. military chased Pancho Villa across the U.S. border prior to WWI. IIRC, Villa had been raiding U.S. border towns.

I was talking about pre Mexican American war not Villa.

1023 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:40:20am

re: #1019 DaddyG

Not for the relationship between Mexico and the US. ...and that is precisely the problem with Obama trying to sound tough by threatening to send raids into Pakistan if they won't do it themselves.

Don't get me wrong- I would love to see us come to an arrangement with Pakistan to clear the mountains of the Taliban, but the same party who decried Bush's "unilateralism" now want to defend Obama getting tough with an ally?

I just answered the question...he got in and back out, and got away with it

1024 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:40:51am

re: #994 tokyobk

Obama is charismatic, but so was Bill Clinton. And the "Bush was dumb" meme simply isn't true. Bush had higher grades at Yale than Kerry, and higher grades than Gore, who's academically average, and flunked out of divinity school because he couldn't handle Latin or Greek.

I've hear Bush speak, and he spoke without notes or teleprompter for almost forty minutes in a very articulate way. I'm sure he was coached in public speaking during and after his presidential campaign, because he markedly improved. Do I think his bailout economic policies at the end of his administration a disaster? Yes. Is that because he 's dumb? No.

1025 jcm  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:41:01am

re: #920 Nevergiveup

Popular with who? Sakozy thinks he is a joke. He hugs every dictator he can find and then they rip us apart? Popular? That's OK I'd rather be feared and hated, thank you .

I like respect.
Respect for our ideals and values, and what we've done to help the world.
or
Respect for what we can do to you if you piss us off.

Screw popularity. Paris Hilton is popular... not respected.

1026 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:41:36am

re: #1020 avanti

Very few communist countries in Europe so I missed your point too. I don't think a commie US POTUS would be popular with most of our European allies.

Europe is teeming with commies and they all love BO...you mince

1027 tigerwoman  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:42:09am

I am sorry but...

THIS CHAPS MY ASS!

I am sure someone has already linked to it but I had to get that off my chest.

Speaking of things which are not our business. The bastards, the bastards...

1028 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:42:13am

re: #1024 quickjustice

That and "Bushisms" were more funny than offensive, and he seemed to take those in stride. Props to him for that, at least.

1029 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:42:34am

re: #999 albusteve

Yes. How did General Pershing's men do in pursuit?

1030 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:42:56am

Good Morning, {all y'all}
It's been a busy week and this is my first opportunity to get on LGF, but it looks as though everything is pretty much the same around here.
;-)

1031 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:43:43am
1032 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:43:50am

re: #1027 tigerwoman

I am sorry but...

THIS CHAPS MY ASS!

I am sure someone has already linked to it but I had to get that off my chest.

Speaking of things which are not our business. The bastards, the bastards...

Get ready for another summer full of front page photos.

1033 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:43:58am

re: #891 shanec99 You obviously haven't been able to keep up with the news. Obama is now on record as saying he will consider taking action against AMERICAN military and CIA personnel for "torturing" prisoners at GITMO. And there are not noticeable lines of folks willing to even get close to interrogating ANYONE at Langley or at any military bases anywhere.

1034 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:44:54am

re: #1030 redstateredneck

Good Morning, {all y'all}
It's been a busy week and this is my first opportunity to get on LGF, but it looks as though everything is pretty much the same around here.
;-)

The more things CHANGE...

/ C;

1035 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:45:33am

re: #1029 quickjustice

Yes. How did General Pershing's men do in pursuit?

they did not catch Villa...they should have used horses...but Patton won his fame in the shootout he got into!

1036 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:47:08am

re: #996 Nevergiveup

G-D I wanna cry

Bad mojo.

1037 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:47:10am

re: #1020 avanti

Very few communist countries in Europe so I missed your point too. I don't think a commie US POTUS would be popular with most of our European allies.

Here's what is interesting about Obama and socialistic Europe...Sarkozy (right center), Merkel (right center), and the leaders of the Eastern European countries (former communists) not only ridiculed him, they gave him nothing of of what he sought to gain from them. I doubt they respect him. Lefty Gordon Brown also seems to have little respect for him and gave him little to no support.

So who really loves Obama in Europe? The gutless socialist prick who leads Spain, the leftist elitist 'intellectuals' that are the power of socialism in Europe, the majority of the immigrants and students because he will enable the change they want, and anyone else who has a chip on their shoulder over the prestige of the US.

1038 dingleB  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:47:11am

re: #1009 aussiemagpie
My Grandfather (131st Reg. 66th BDE 33rd Inf. Div) fought with the Australians at Hamel during WW1. Link: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The courage these men exhibited that day is needed now more than ever.

Cheers, this round is on me.

1039 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:47:38am

re: #1035 albusteve

they did not catch Villa...they should have used horses...but Patton won his fame in the shootout he got into!

IOW the incursions did not stop the conflict they expanded it. My whole point with Pakistan.

...And Villa and Pershing didn't have thousands of Jihadists just waiting for an excuse to overthrow Mexico and poke the US in the eye like there are waiting to overthow Pakistan and pike the US in the eye.

1040 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:47:40am

re: #984 Russkilitlover

The see a President who they can control. They see a weakened America. They see an America ashamed of its superpower status. They see a pansy and they are delighted. You take their joy as affirmation, you are as blind as Obama.

Sure, it's perception. You see everything BHO does in a negative light and assume the worse scenario for his popularity with world leaders. I see it differently, I see us respected again.

1041 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:49:02am

Unicorn farts.

1042 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:49:10am

re: #1002 Sharmuta

I worry about these people sometimes. What would they do with themselves if they didn't have LGF to stalk?

Not a freaking clue. They'd probably find some other thing to bitch, whine, piss, and moan about.

1043 ctrlL  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:49:32am

re: #1009 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

Today is a very important day for us Aussies...ANZAC Day

A day to commemorate the fallen in all wars, a legend born in the defeat at Gallipoli

Lest we Forget

Here's to you Aussie -

"Bless Them All"

bless 'em all, bless 'em all
the long & the short & the tall
bless old man Lockheed for building this jet
but, I know a guy who is cursing him, yet
for he tried to go over the wall
with his tip-tanks, his tailpipes & all
the needle did cross & the wings did come off
cheer up my lads, bless 'em all
well, bless 'em all, bless them all
the needle, the airspeed, the ball
bless all those intructors, that taught me to fly
sent me to solo & left me to die
if ever your blowjet should stall
well, your due for one hell of a fall
no lillies or violets for dead fighter pilots
cheer up my lads, bless 'em all

bless them all, bless 'em all
the long & the short & the tall
bless all the Seargants & their bloody sons
bless all the Corporals, the fatheaded ones
I am saying goodbye to them all
the long & the short & the tall
here's to you & lots others
you can shove it up, brothers
I'm goin' back home in the fall

/old song

1044 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:49:51am
1045 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:49:56am

What you guys aren't getting is that it's Obama strategy to significantly downsize the U.S. military, and withdraw the U.S. from its global military commitments. It's the only way he can pay for his massive social programs. We can whine, but it is the policy of this President. It's not incompetence or cowardice. It's policy.

I think it extremely unwise, and I think it makes us less safe. I'm sad that another terrorist attack on the U.S. on Obama's watch is the likely outcome of these policies. Losing Pakistan to the Taliban will be the first foreign policy disaster of this Administration. Without Pakistan, our strategic position in Afghanistan becomes untenable, and the Islamic extremist enemy has a nuclear weapon.

The first target: Tel Aviv. What will Obama do then? Answer: nothing except verbal condemnation. And he'll write them a letter.

1046 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:50:09am

re: #1017 wee fury

Thank you for posting this. I hope you put the link in the History spin-off links.

Thanks I will do that right now!

1047 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:50:21am

re: #1040 avanti

Sure, it's perception. You see everything BHO does in a negative light and assume the worse scenario for his popularity with world leaders. I see it differently, I see us respected again.

that's exactly the problem with left wing droolers...you nailed it

1048 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:50:53am

re: #1032 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Get ready for another summer full of front page photos.

The ACLU and the Obama Administration: Working together to spread the "America sucks" message.

1049 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:50:58am

re: #951 Kenneth
OK Kenneth - two words for you: Pancho Villa.
The US sent a huge military force under General Black Jack Pershing along the Tex/Arizona/Meican border to capture him and his band of "insurgents".
I know Obama wouldn't do anything if a group of Mexican Rangers crossed the Texas border in "hot pursuit" of terrorists, but that doesn't make what Mexico does right nor legal.

1050 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:51:06am

re: #989 taxfreekiller

This about sums up the no good chicken shit Obama Democrats.

[Link: www.climatedepot.com...]

The Dems refused to let Lord Monckton speak before congess. How convenient. They know that Lord Monckton would have thoroughly pwnd Gore.
Who do the Republicans turn to?
Newt Gingrich, who last year appeared in an ad with Nancy Pelosi as a mouthpiece for "Climate Change"

But of course, "the debate is over" per Al Gore.

1051 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:51:37am

re: #1046 aussiemagpie

It's close to midnight here in Manila. You're up so late it's early. C:

1052 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:51:55am

re: #1039 DaddyG

IOW the incursions did not stop the conflict they expanded it. My whole point with Pakistan.

...And Villa and Pershing didn't have thousands of Jihadists just waiting for an excuse to overthrow Mexico and poke the US in the eye like there are waiting to overthow Pakistan and pike the US in the eye.

I made no comparison...certainly the two are not the same

1053 opnion  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:52:36am

re: #1008 laZardo

That wouln't be all that surprising. At some point the novelty may wear off of Obama & the same MSM could turn on him.
As of right now though, they are in bed with him, & shaping favorable opniojn for him.

1054 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:53:48am

re: #1021 laZardo

Exactly, the more he does to keep his campaign promises, the higher is popularity will be with the base, and the more the right will be upset. if you look at the polling, BHO is in the 90's with his base, the 60's with independents, but only the 20's on the right.

1055 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:54:07am

re: #970 Kenneth How about hundreds of "raids"? the legal point is this: you cannot send your nations troops into another nation, without that nations consent, without violating international law. Period. Doesn't matter how many or how often.

1056 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:54:46am

re: #1038 dingleB

My Grandfather (131st Reg. 66th BDE 33rd Inf. Div) fought with the Australians at Hamel during WW1. Link: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The courage these men exhibited that day is needed now more than ever.

Cheers, this round is on me.

I'm glad I posted the ANZAC Day tribute then!

Thanks..

1057 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:55:53am

re: #1037 Athos

I'm a conservative, but I completely disagree with you about this. Without the U.S. military, Europe is exposed militarily. What the European leaders don't understand about Obama is that he intends to draw down the U.S. military, and withdraw from our global military commitments, including in Europe. It's the only way he can afford his ambitious social programs.

The Europeans can look down their noses at Obama, but they don't yet understand that he's prepared to abandon them militarily. Then they're in a world of trouble. I can't gloat, because I think downsizing the U.S. military a huge strategic mistake, but I think Obama is blindsiding them from the left.

1058 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:57:17am

re: #1027 tigerwoman

I am sorry but...

THIS CHAPS MY ASS!

I am sure someone has already linked to it but I had to get that off my chest.

Speaking of things which are not our business. The bastards, the bastards...

Get ready for the Islamotards to go up in flames again. And don't count on any protection from DHS, either. This will do nothing but get people killed.

1059 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:59:19am

re: #1045 quickjustice

Without Pakistan, our strategic position in Afghanistan becomes untenable, and the Islamic extremist enemy has a nuclear weapon.

The first target: Tel Aviv. What will Obama do then? Answer: nothing except verbal condemnation. And he'll write them a letter.

He'll blame Israel for not making peace with the Palis (to whom peace means no Jews in Israel).

1060 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:59:34am

re: #1043 ctrlL


Thanks, now I'm going to have thaat song in my head all day :-)

Another one

Waltzing Matilda, a tribute to our troops in Iraq

1061 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:59:47am

re: #1040 avanti

You're wrong as well. Obama is prepared to abandon our longstanding allies, militarily speaking. For them, that's a disaster. They need a muscular U.S. military to protect them. They may fear and resent Obama for that, but I don't think "respect" is exactly the right word.

Bottom line: we don't need our allies, militarily speaking, but they need us. Obama will abandon them. His attitude is, "Who cares?"

1062 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:00:15am

re: #1054 avanti

Exactly, the more he does to keep his campaign promises, the higher is popularity will be with the base, and the more the right will be upset. if you look at the polling, BHO is in the 90's with his base, the 60's with independents, but only the 20's on the right.

did BO promise to neglect the economy in it's downward spiral he helped precipitate?...did he promise massive deficits until 2019?...did he promise retribution of the Bush administration?...did he promise to gut the middle and upper class and redistribute their wealth?...did he promise to make America less safe with his juvenile and dangerous outreach to our enemies?...did he promise all this to you and you voted for him anyway?...what kind of American are you?

1063 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:00:28am

re: #1009 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

Today is a very important day for us Aussies...ANZAC Day

A day to commemorate the fallen in all wars, a legend born in the defeat at Gallipoli

Lest we Forget

* * * *
Thank you Aussies for your courageous sacrifice with us all over the planet.

PS, Mel Gibson was great in the movie "Gallipoli" circa 1979 or 80. I recommend it to lizards.

1064 lobo91  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:01:04am

re: #1054 avanti

Exactly, the more he does to keep his campaign promises, the higher is popularity will be with the base, and the more the right will be upset. if you look at the polling, BHO is in the 90's with his base, the 60's with independents, but only the 20's on the right.

Of course, in doing so, he's already abandoned his number one campaign promise, which was that he was going to somehow change the political climate and bring people together.

Instead, he's given us the most hyper-partisan administration in US history, going so far as to entertain the prospect of having Soviet-style show trials to prosecute officials of the previous administration.

At the rate Obama's working to "bring people together," we're liable to see an actual civil war by the time his (hopefully one) term is over.

1065 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:01:08am

re: #1051 laZardo

It's close to midnight here in Manila. You're up so late it's early. C:

Hi and yes it's 2am now - why waste time sleeping?///

1066 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:02:28am

re: #1033 realwest

You obviously haven't been able to keep up with the news. Obama is now on record as saying he will consider taking action against AMERICAN military and CIA personnel for "torturing" prisoners at GITMO. And there are not noticeable lines of folks willing to even get close to interrogating ANYONE at Langley or at any military bases anywhere.

That is absolutely false, quite the opposite. He has said more then once, those that were following the new "advanced interrogation techniques" would not be prosecuted.
The issue today is that BHO said it's up to congress and the Attorney general to decide if the guys that drafted the torture orders broke the law. He has also been on record that we should look forward, and not back and suspect would oppose even the AG and congress if they wanted a show trial. My guess is we may get a investigation on how the guys involved were able to craft a torture order that may have violated both US and International law.

1067 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:02:46am

re: #1065 aussiemagpie

Gonna head out to a nearby province this morning-morning and do some hiking. (: Will have to get some shuteye sooner or later...

1068 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:03:37am

re: #1063 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you Aussies for your courageous sacrifice with us all over the planet.

PS, Mel Gibson was great in the movie "Gallipoli" circa 1979 or 80. I recommend it to lizards.

That is one of my favourite movies, and I still cry when I watch it...

I second your recommendation!

1069 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:05:07am

re: #1054 avanti

Obama's polling numbers prove only further polarization, and erosion of his support among independents. He's not trending well so early in his Administration. Richard Nixon had the support of 20% of the American people on the day he resigned from office in disgrace. Your poll proves only that Obama partisans are sticking with their man. That'll change when the first terrorist nuke smuggled in from an Islamist Pakistan goes off in Manhattan.

1070 aussiemagpie  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:06:01am

re: #1067 laZardo

Gonna head out to a nearby province this morning-morning and do some hiking. (: Will have to get some shuteye sooner or later...

Enjoy the hike, you can always have a nap along the way of course!

1071 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:07:11am

re: #1066 avanti

That is absolutely false, quite the opposite. He has said more then once, those that were following the new "advanced interrogation techniques" would not be prosecuted.
The issue today is that BHO said it's up to congress and the Attorney general to decide if the guys that drafted the torture orders broke the law. He has also been on record that we should look forward, and not back and suspect would oppose even the AG and congress if they wanted a show trial. My guess is we may get a investigation on how the guys involved were able to craft a torture order that may have violated both US and International law.

total bullshit

1072 laZardo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #1070 aussiemagpie

I'll have one when I get home after I shower off.

Which reminds me, I should be getting that shuteye now so I don't have one during the hike. XD Nighty!

1073 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:07:55am

re: #1040 avanti

Sure, it's perception. You see everything BHO does in a negative light and assume the worse scenario for his popularity with world leaders. I see it differently, I see us respected again.

Do you know the difference between respect and popularity? Between leadership and pandering? How about the historical impacts of appeasement?

You see it to reinforce your support for the guy. You have to feel good about the guy so you create a fantasy to substantiate that feel good theory - just like the pinheads of the MSM.

1074 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:09:27am

Well I'm outta here y'all - can't stand avanti's making shit up because he loves Obama so much - Obama is going to allow those who interrogated prisoners to be investigated and prosecuted, see: [Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
And the fact that some otherwise intelligent people like Kenneth don't understand the risks inherent in violating Pakistan's territory - the SWAT which is filled with thousands and thousands of folks who are Jihadist to the bone - much less the illegality of it has pissed me off too much to continue today.
Have a great day y'all. Hope I get the chance to see most of you down the road.

1075 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:10:48am

re: #968 avanti

I have never seen foreign leaders acting like rock star groupies just in hope of getting some pixie dust rub off. Fewer are burning him in effigy, crowds are cheering not booing and the rest.
You may be confused as to what the hell they see in the POTUS, but they do like it. It's now cool for foreign leaders to support the USA again where once it scored political points to be anti USA.

Hey Avanti, you forgot to mention who burns effigies. It's usually the folks on the left. How many capitalist, hard-working, freedom-loving people spend their time showing up at the speeches of foreign dignitaries? Very few. They're too busy working, paying taxes to support the welfare state. Demonstrations are usually held by leftists because politics is the religion of the left, and these welfare bums have nothing better to do with their life. So don't be surprised by Obama's cheering crowds. They have lots of free time to come and cheer their man.

You say it's cool now for some foreign leaders to support Obama. But just wait until a Taliban-launched nuke, or a North Korean, or Iranian nuke hits one of their cities (God forbid), and Obama sits there blithering about unclenched fists. Wait until Obama's astronomical spending causes a world-wide depression. Then we'll see how cool it is to support him.

Another thing. Notice that the leaders of good countries around the world don't support him. I'm not hearing words of praise from Israel, Great Britain, France or Australia. The bad guys, on the other hand, are very happy he's in power, and they will push for every advantage they can get.

"World opinion" isn't worth spit. Any leader who governs according to world opinion is a fool and an enabler of evil.

1076 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:10:54am

re:

1077 sandspur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:11:32am

re: #1040 avanti

Sure, it's perception. You see everything BHO does in a negative light and assume the worse scenario for his popularity with world leaders. I see it differently, I see us respected again.

Where's the respect in the rose and missile cartoon posted upthread?

1078 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:12:12am

re: #1040 avanti

Sure, it's perception. You see everything BHO does in a negative light and assume the worse scenario for his popularity with world leaders. I see it differently, I see us respected again.

Avanti, I'm not trying to flame you. Why is world respect so important in your opinion? Seriously.

1079 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:13:14am
1080 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:13:30am

re: #1066 avanti

You really don't get it. Obama has deferred on this issue to Congress. Congress, and Pelosi in particular, wants a witch hunt of CIA operatives and others in the Bush Administration. Obama is permitting the Legislative Branch to completely roll over the Executive Branch's prerogatives. He's failing to protect his own career people in the Executive Branch. The career people get this.

When Obama's done giving up the Bush career operatives (who do not serve in political offices), no one in their right mind will serve the U.S., government. They'll be prosecuted by the next Administration. Obama is surrendering the prerogatives of the Executive Branch. That's a Constitutional disaster. And permitting political payback against members of the previous administration is something that's only happened in third world countries up to this point.

Look for the Republicans in the next Administration to prosecute Obama and his henchmen for political crimes as payback. They'll deserve it.

1081 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #1071 albusteve

total bullshit

How's this, or do facts not count ?

"We will protect your identities and your security as you vigorously pursue your missions," Obama said.

Obama has given CIA officers immunity from prosecution and free lawyers if they get sued over torture allegations. He acknowledged CIA brass has "expressed understandable anxiety" over the memos' release. "

1082 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:17:27am

re: #1057 quickjustice

The Europeans can look down their noses at Obama, but they don't yet understand that he's prepared to abandon them militarily. Then they're in a world of trouble. I can't gloat, because I think downsizing the U.S. military a huge strategic mistake, but I think Obama is blindsiding them from the left.

I agree with you. Europe has spent 60 years under the US military umbrella. They've developed their socialistic economies using funds that they should have invested in their own defense and military capabilities. They've imported and not sought to assimilate millions from North Africa, Turkey, and the Third World to supplement their socialistic governments. They believe in appeasement becasue they have no will to use force and no forces to use. They expect the US to save things, and will complain about how it is done.

I think many in Europe at the leadership levels see how naive Obama is - but they can't change the course of their ship to fix their shortcomings. They are learning of the trouble and since they are so illprepared will react in a way that will make things far worse.

1083 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:20:38am

re: #1078 Irenike

Avanti, I'm not trying to flame you. Why is world respect so important in your opinion? Seriously.

Because I am not a isolationist. The world is more interrelated military and economically then any time in history. We can get a lot more done with the world on our side then against us.
Look at the first Iraq war compared to the second. Bush 1 had the world behind him.

1084 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:26:40am

re: #1083 avanti

Because I am not a isolationist. The world is more interrelated military and economically then any time in history. We can get a lot more done with the world on our side then against us.
Look at the first Iraq war compared to the second. Bush 1 had the world behind him.

George W. Bush was criticized for being a "cowboy diplomat" because he took action without first getting world approval. But he was not an isolationist. You are confusing isolationism with unilateralism.

Let me ask you another question. Suppose a country does something immoral. It invades another country. But suppose world opinion is on the side of the invader. Does world opinion make something that was immoral suddenly moral?

1085 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:27:17am

re: #1083 avanti

Because I am not a isolationist. The world is more interrelated military and economically then any time in history. We can get a lot more done with the world on our side then against us.
Look at the first Iraq war compared to the second. Bush 1 had the world behind him.

And why were France and Germany "not there" during the second Iraq conflict? Because they had their hands deep in the Iraqi till.

1086 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:31:33am

re: #1084 Irenike

George W. Bush was criticized for being a "cowboy diplomat" because he took action without first getting world approval. But he was not an isolationist. You are confusing isolationism with unilateralism.

Let me ask you another question. Suppose a country does something immoral. It invades another country. But suppose world opinion is on the side of the invader. Does world opinion make something that was immoral suddenly moral?

Nope, of course not, but a unpopular POTUS is may not even get support for a morally correct invasion.

1087 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:36:35am

re: #949 Killgore Trout

Just the usual stuff from Crazy Pamela.

Ahhh...You saw the "I'll let the Germans decide who is a Nazi or not" and the "Nazis don't like Jews..." BS?

She is their Neutrai Karta or however you spell it.

1088 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:37:15am

re: #1081 avanti

Obama's words are contradicted by his actions. The release of the CIA information publicly sets up targets for show trials and prosecutions. It's like throwing red meat to the wolves, the press included. Obama can't withstand the political heat he himself has created. Either he knows this, or he 's incompetent to serve in office. I believe he knows this.

More important, the CIA operatives know this. Gutting the CIA goes a long way towards withdrawing the U.S. from the world. Obama is an isolationist, militarily speaking. That's a legitimate policy position, but he's concealing it in a host of distractions.

1089 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:40:18am

re: #1086 avanti

Nope, of course not, but a unpopular POTUS is may not even get support for a morally correct invasion.

Sometimes you have to make a choice between being morally correct or being popular. I'll take the unpopular, morally correct guy any day. Especially if he is the commander-in-chief of the biggest military in the world, and doesn't need outside support to do what is right.

1090 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:41:00am

Respect is more valuable than popularity.

This liberal fascination with wanting to be liked reminds me of a kid in grade school who asks his mother to pack an extra lunch so he can be liked by the bullies who steal them.

1091 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:41:42am

re: #1083 avanti

If you're not an isolationist, then you shouldn't be supporting Obama. In fairness, his isolationism is military, i.e., he believes that the U.S. military should be reduced enormously in size, and withdrawn from the world. But without a robust military with a global outreach, our ability to impact the world also is reduced enormously.

In other words, you should accept that American power and influence in the world will be greatly reduced under Obama. And if you're intellectually honest, you'll argue that it's a very good thing.

Right now, you're deceiving yourself. And that's just sad.

1092 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:42:23am

re: #1086 avanti

Nope, of course not, but a unpopular POTUS is may not even get support for a morally correct invasion.

So does that invalidate the rationale for he morally correct invasion? Does popularity drive everything for you - not character or principle?

1093 realwest  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:48:10am

re: #1074 realwest
I had to come back and apologize for my comments to Kenneth. He and I simply see international law differently.
As for avani - I linked to this before and you ignored it, try to read this and comment on it: [Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

1094 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:50:52am

I'm calling you intellectually confused, Avanti. Should I be calling you intellectually dishonest? Do you really hang on Obama's rhetoric, as opposed to his actions?

What's your vision for American foreign policy? Is it internationalist, or isolationist? Does it include a robust U.S. military with a global outreach (the model since the Second World War), or should our military be withdraw to our own borders, and play defense against our intended attackers? You understand that after the next attack, demands to expel foreigners and illegal aliens will overwhelm the Congress, don't you? You understand that civil liberties will be completely thrown out the window in the aftermath of such an attack, correct? And you understand that you and those of your political persuasion will be completely to blame for this, correct?

1095 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:51:56am

re: #1092 Athos

So does that invalidate the rationale for he morally correct invasion? Does popularity drive everything for you - not character or principle?

Of course not. i.e. Bush thought he was morally right in Iraq II, much of the world disagreed, the jury is still out on that one.

1096 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:57:19am

Without the American military with a global outreach capability, the world won't care about us, much less "respect" us. And why should they?

Remember, the U.S. Navy was built by Thomas Jefferson to fight the Barbary Pirates instead of paying them tributes and ransom amounting to 20% of the entire federal budget under Presidents Washington and Adams.

You want to return to those halcyon days, don't you, avanti?

1097 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:58:06am

re: #1094 quickjustice

I'm calling you intellectually confused, Avanti. Should I be calling you intellectually dishonest? Do you really hang on Obama's rhetoric, as opposed to his actions?

What's your vision for American foreign policy? Is it internationalist, or isolationist? Does it include a robust U.S. military with a global outreach (the model since the Second World War), or should our military be withdraw to our own borders, and play defense against our intended attackers? You understand that after the next attack, demands to expel foreigners and illegal aliens will overwhelm the Congress, don't you? You understand that civil liberties will be completely thrown out the window in the aftermath of such an attack, correct? And you understand that you and those of your political persuasion will be completely to blame for this, correct?

I'm in the middle, I don't mind the global outreach but don't subscribe to the nation building/world cop vision of GW. I agree with Gate's vision of a bigger military more geared to the type of warfare we are dealing with today then the old cold war threats.

1098 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #1097 avanti

Gates is shooting the breeze. And you disagree with President Obama. Obama cannot afford the social programs he is proposing, including a takeover of the entire U.S. health system, without gutting the U.S. military. Do the numbers. It's not rocket science.

1099 DaddyG  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:00:52am
1100 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:00:53am

re: #1096 quickjustice

Without the American military with a global outreach capability, the world won't care about us, much less "respect" us. And why should they?

Remember, the U.S. Navy was built by Thomas Jefferson to fight the Barbary Pirates instead of paying them tributes and ransom amounting to 20% of the entire federal budget under Presidents Washington and Adams.

What have I said that would make you assume that ?

You want to return to those halcyon days, don't you, avanti?

1101 Irenike  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:02:22am

re: #1095 avanti

Of course not. i.e. Bush thought he was morally right in Iraq II, much of the world disagreed, the jury is still out on that one.

Avanti, your statement encapsulates the tension between popularity and morality. Either Bush was morally right or he wasn't. Whether the world agrees with him is irrelevant. The morality of an action has nothing to do with what other people think.

1102 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #1098 quickjustice

Gates is shooting the breeze. And you disagree with President Obama. Obama cannot afford the social programs he is proposing, including a takeover of the entire U.S. health system, without gutting the U.S. military. Do the numbers. It's not rocket science.

Well, he's raised the defense budget, get back to me when he starts gutting it.

1103 quickjustice  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:06:02am

re: #1100 avanti

You've just denied wanting a stripped-down U.S. military (which is a legitimate, although mistaken, policy position BTW). If that's true, you must, logically, oppose Obama's ambitious domestic programs, which can't be financed without stripping down the military.

Face it. You're suffering from logically conflicted positions.

1104 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:10:16am

re: #1095 avanti

Of course not. i.e. Bush thought he was morally right in Iraq II, much of the world disagreed, the jury is still out on that one.

So did a bi-partisan majority of Congress including 77 Senators who voted for the 23 reasons why military action was needed. So did the leaders and representatives of 40 coalition member states.

Who disagreed? France - which was economically bought by Saddam. Russia - economically bought by Saddam. Both had UNSC veto and blocked enforcement of the 16 UNSC resolutions Iraq was in violation of and the Armistace of the Gulf War I.

Jury still out? Ask the Kurds in Iraq. The marsh Arabs in Iraq. The Shia who had family members run through real torture chambers and rape rooms. No, the jury is only out for history's revisionists.

1105 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:10:53am

re: #1101 Irenike

Avanti, your statement encapsulates the tension between popularity and morality. Either Bush was morally right or he wasn't. Whether the world agrees with him is irrelevant. The morality of an action has nothing to do with what other people think.

It's beyond dispute that you can make a moral case to invade every country ruled by a despot. My moral issue is that invasion morally correct based on the loss of both American and foreign lives. I agree Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, Iran and much of the world would be better off free, but don't think it's our moral duty to set them free.

Ayn Rand said it's our moral duty to save a drowning man if we can do it without risk to our life, but that does not mean we should search the world for drowning men to save.

1106 Athos  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #1097 avanti

I agree with Gate's vision of a bigger military more geared to the type of warfare we are dealing with today then the old cold war threats.

Gates, and Obama, and the Democratic leaders of Congress seek to reduce the size of the US miitary - by as much as 25%.

1107 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:13:49am

OK, starting to get ding downs for my opinions, time to switch threads. I think we know each others different opinions by now.

1108 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:35:16am

re: #1105 avanti

It's beyond dispute that you can make a moral case to invade every country ruled by a despot. My moral issue is that invasion morally correct based on the loss of both American and foreign lives. I agree Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, Iran and much of the world would be better off free, but don't think it's our moral duty to set them free.

Ayn Rand said it's our moral duty to save a drowning man if we can do it without risk to our life, but that does not mean we should search the world for drowning men to save.

I agree that it is neither our responsibility nor our right to be a global policeman, but if some world entity threatens us, look out!

1109 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:48:20am

re: #1074 realwest

And the fact that some otherwise intelligent people like Kenneth don't understand the risks inherent in violating Pakistan's territory - the SWAT which is filled with thousands and thousands of folks who are Jihadist to the bone - much less the illegality of it has pissed me off too much to continue today.
Have a great day y'all. Hope I get the chance to see most of you down the road.

Please go back and re-read my comments. No where did I write anything which could be construed as saying: " ...don't understand the risks inherent in violating Pakistan's territory - the SWAT which is filled with thousands and thousands of folks who are Jihadist to the bone - much less the illegality of it has pissed me off too much to continue today."

One more time: I am pointing out that Obama did NOT say he was going to invade Pakistan. Period.

Your concerns about risks and legality are quite reasonable. I share them and would add to that the very real concerns about the false assumptions of Obama's foreign policy.

1110 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:50:20am

re: #1093 realwest

I had to come back and apologize for my comments to Kenneth. He and I simply see international law differently.

We don't see international law differently, the problem is we read what I wrote differently. I wrote absolutely nothing about international law.

1111 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:59:16am

re: #1003 DaddyG

I never said Obama stated he wanted to invade. You are missing my point that the distinction would be lost anyway on any country we entered no matter how small the force. That statement is still grist for the "American imperialism" argument that our enemies use. Especially since it includes the implied threat "if they don't take care of it we will".

The problem with Obama's statement had nothing to do with the distinction between raid and invasion. Even if you succeed in convincing every blogger in the world not to use the word invasion the statements Obama made are damaging to the relationship with Pakistan and don't do anything to help their struggling government fend off the enemy within.

Those are all good points. The only point I was making is that Obama never said he would invade.

The language he did use was vague ... that the US would "act" - whatever act means is left open to interpretation. So far the only actions Obama has taken is to use unmanned drones & missile strikes on "high value targets". Each time this happens, the Pakistani gov't issues a standard complaint. Never the less, it has been widely reported that the Pakistani gov't has secretly authorized these attacks.

You entered the discussion at a later point, questioning the wisdom of Obama's Pakistani strategy. Fair enough. For the record: I am no fan of Obama especially his foreign policy. I think the drone operations are a good idea, but they will be insufficient to defeat AQ/Taliban. Cross-border raids won't do it either, and that would bring the additional problems you mentioned.

1112 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:52:33am

Good morning, lizards.


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