Holocaust Denial at Pat Buchanan’s Official Website

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At Pat Buchanan’s official website, a rousing discussion on the premise that the Holocaust never happened.

Notice the scare quotes around “The Holocaust:” Discussion about ‘The Holocaust’. | DisInformation, Deception and Other Tricks | Brigade Forum | Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website.

5:47 am
March 28, 2009

Rodfish
Member

Ref Holocaust,
Do you know that THE JEWS have a million dollar fund just to protect their claims, and counter any of others.
Most historians believe it was LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GAS 6 MILLION JEWS AND REDUCE THEIR BODIES TO ASHES,
That is why the claims have been adjusted.
Its a mine field and a web site like this cannot even hope to scratch the surface of this subject.
If interested go on the web sites that I gave you for all and any info.
They are the experts.

PS. any discussion that denies the holocaust is monitored and logged, and ISPs can be traced.

Been there done that, good luck.

FREEDOM. Free thinker. Free mind.

……….

7:07 am
March 28, 2009

schnapps
Member

“Rodfish” –I recognize your concerns. Before even establishing this “thread” I requested permission from the Site Admin. Discussing “The Holocaust” is prevented by law in Germany and several other nations. Why should this be ? Did the Holocaust really occur? Why have millions of people been convinced that the Germans executed 6 million Jews. Flimsy or none existent evidence supports this ridiculous claim yet people believe it.
Zionist-Jews control most of our law enforcement systems here in America. Tremendous effort is expended to prevent any action that could expose “The Holocaust” myth.

There are currently 13 pages of this stuff.

(Hat tip: Render.)

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220 comments
1 pegcity  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:21:21pm

Nazi asshole!

2 Querent  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:22:29pm

like last thread.
oh geez, not this shit again!

3 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:00pm

there is so much evidence and information to refute this pos. but he keeps
lying. he is that much of a hater. his heart must be black.

4 Querent  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:00pm

psst, everybody, this is where the party is!
(to the folks on the next thread down)

5 WK  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:06pm

Time to put Pat to pasture. No more interviews on TV, no more MSM interviews, cable or whatever.

6 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:20pm

Um, Pat? Here's a clue: Defending evil people is a really bad idea.

7 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:50pm
Free thinker. Free mind.

His mind is so free his brain has leaked out his nose

8 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:24:55pm

re: #4 Querent

psst, everybody, this is where the party is!
(to the folks on the next thread down)

As long as its not a National Socialist party.

9 Querent  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:25:10pm

re: #7 Shug

His mind is so free his brain has leaked out his nose


how far can you open your mind before your brain falls out?

10 screaming_eagle  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:25:42pm

Anyone there making claims of Photoshopped pictures? If new times roman was avaible before computers, surely Photoshop 2.0 was as well.

11 Querent  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:25:47pm

re: #8 The Other Les

As long as its not a National Socialist party.

nope! it's a Lizard Party!

Here, take this basket of up-dings and reward every snarky post.

12 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:26:17pm

Perhaps Chris Matthews can ask Pat about this the next time he is on hardball and 300-400 people can see Pat's answer

13 Blastforth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:27:05pm

Ever since I first saw -- some 30 years ago--the footage of piles of emaciated corpses being bulldozed into pits, I've always wondered how anyone could deny the Holocaust.

14 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:29:22pm

There's plenty of disinformation and deception here, but not the way they think. Oh, and plenty of pure evil to go around.

15 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:30:07pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

how is your son doing?

16 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:30:30pm

While we're on the subject of denial. Pat Buchanan denying the deaths of 6 million people is clearly bad. Can I say that the general Leftist denial of the deaths of 110 million people could be worse?

17 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:30:33pm

They should stay out of Prague.

18 VioletTiger  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:31:03pm

Mainstream commentators and conservative politicians who continue to associate with this nutbag are going to get caught in the same net.
Here's a couple hints for them--the enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend when he/she is a nazi, hater, or kook.

19 Steffan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:32:21pm

re: #9 Querent

how far can you open your mind before your brain falls out?

You have to have a brain in the first place.

Somebody should tell Pat in as many words to STFU, STFD, and ESAD.

I'm getting to the point where I'd be more than happy to say that to him in as many words.

My father was in the AAF and helped evacuate some of the inmates of Dachau. I've been to Dachau.

The existence of the Holocaust is not debatable, especially because the anally-retentive German bureaucrats documented everything. Ain't too often that the bad guys will sign their own death warrants.

20 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:32:24pm

The MSM wants to present Buchanan and Ron Paul as the image of the Republican party so that Jews who get disillusioned with Obama will feel even more repelled by the Republican party than by Obama.

21 Teacake!  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:32:24pm

Are the other non-Jewish 5 million a myth as well?

22 tackle  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:32:58pm
Zionist-Jews control most of our law enforcement systems here in America. Tremendous effort is expended to prevent any action that could expose “The Holocaust” myth.


Those zionist cops - there they go again trying to fabricate the Holocaust. Happens all the time.
/
People are getting more evil by the day.

23 LittleBenny  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:33:29pm

I've always believed, if nothing else, that this sort of crud is useful as a barometer of sheer stupidity/ignorance. As the economy gets worse and Obama and the Congress gets more left-wingish in deeds, I expect this to get worse. Much worse.

Not surprised to see Pattyboy enabling this lunacy. He thrives on it...

24 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:33:34pm

Rodfish is the #1 commenter at that site.

Top Posters:
Rodfish - 1034


just sayin

25 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:33:41pm

re: #20 Kosh's Shadow

The MSM wants to present Buchanan and Ron Paul as the image of the Republican party so that Jews who get disillusioned with Obama will feel even more repelled by the Republican party than by Obama.

They don't call it lying. they now call it "shaping opinion."

26 kynna  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:33:43pm

Pat Buchanan = Mr. Yuck. Does Hannity still interview this vessel of putridity?

27 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:01pm

Repugnant is a mild word to describe what I am seeing there.

Here's on by a person that calls himself Hadding:

The Einsatzgruppen shot Jews in reprisal as part of their anti-guerrilla operations. The Third Reich is not the only government that has tried to fight guerrillas by punishing the civilian population that supports them.

This Hadding person even has his own Nazi blog and defends Adolph Hitler in some of his blog entries.

28 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:01pm

re: #17 CyanSnowHawk

They should stay out of visit Prague.

better

29 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #21 Teacake!

Are the other non-Jewish 5 million a myth as well?

Count them all!

30 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:12pm

Please note: Pat Buchanan himself apparently does not take part in that discussion.

But the bold section in my quote above makes it very clear that the site's administrator approved of it. And no one thought it was out of order.

31 Teacake!  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:35pm

I think Hannity still calls him a great American

32 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #29 The Other Les

Count them all!

I don't think Pat can count that high.

Have to go feed the dogs.

33 BignJames  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:35:32pm

Speechless

34 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:35:33pm

re: #15 nyc redneck

how is your son doing?

Thanks for asking. He's doing fine. He had some additional blood tests today. They wanted to do a sonogram of his carotid artery but the hospital wasn't equipped for it. He also has an appointment with a neurologist at Walter Reed. He'd rather go to Bethesda because that's where he could see the president's neurologist. He feels okay and thinks it was really just the worst migraine he's ever had. I'm hoping he's right but I'm glad they're being cautious.

And thanks again to all lizards for their prayers, good wishes, and emotional support yesterday.

35 Steffan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:35:40pm

re: #21 Teacake!

Are the other non-Jewish 5 million a myth as well?

Yup. Romani? What Romani? Jehovah's Witnesses? Homosexuals?

Never heard of them.

/channeling the dipshits

36 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:35:43pm

"Most historians believe it was LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GAS 6 MILLION JEWS AND REDUCE THEIR BODIES TO ASHES,"

The stupidity of statements like this is troofer territory, Some were incinerated, but the mass graves are real.
Fucking assholes.

37 crown_of_feathers  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:36:13pm

Assholes to the right of us.

Assholes to the left of us.

Obviously, it's "Sphincters Gone Wild" in our pathetic modern world.

38 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:37:54pm

re: #20 Kosh's Shadow

The MSM wants to present Buchanan and Ron Paul as the image of the Republican party so that Jews who get disillusioned with Obama will feel even more repelled by the Republican party than by Obama.

bingo!...exactly
I hate the MSM with a passion

39 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:37:57pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

I don't think Pat can count that high.


He can. He just doesn't want to.

40 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:38:20pm

Brace yourselves people. It is 1938 all over again.

41 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:38:31pm

I took a quick look through some of the other threads in their forums....

SUPPORTERS OF THE WHITE RACE

The Race War of Black Against White

White woman SICK of black male sexual aggression!

....etc.
They sure aren't shy about it.

42 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #39 The Other Les

He can. He just doesn't want to.

I think pat shouldnt count, but that just me. ;)

43 LittleBenny  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:38:52pm

re: #30 Charles

Yeah, but if one of us posted this sort of nonsense here, you'd flame us then expel us...and rightfully so! There's the difference; Pattyboy enables it, responsible types don't.

On a separate topic, the right-wing needs to distance itself from the nutters and kooks - when the center becomes disillusioned by Obama and Pelosi, they need a good home to come to. Can't happen with the current crop of idiots in the GOP, which is why I don't mind dissing them now. Clean house, now!

44 kynna  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:39:00pm

re: #30 Charles

Thanks for clarifying. You're a better site admin than most.

I still think PB = Mr. Yuk, though.

45 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:39:12pm

Excellent links from Pat' site

The Daily Paul
Infowars.

following the Daily Paul link I see Ron Paul was on the Alex Jones show today.
I don't want to listen. I already have an upset stomach from the Moe's Quesadilla I had for dinner and the rantings of rodfish.

46 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:40:17pm

re: #40 Truck Monkey

Brace yourselves people. It is 1938 all over again.

I'm going to party like its 1939.

(Waaaaay overdue for a trip to the range.)

47 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:40:22pm

Damn Charles,

How can you stomach to find this crap, let alone read it?

48 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:40:29pm

Lots of other crazy stuff at the Pat Buchanan discussion site.

Go here and scroll down to #14.

49 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:41:14pm

We seem to have a very clear, clean and definable problem - a very big one:

Just days after Janet Napolitano, the U.S. homeland security secretary, sparked a diplomatic kerfuffle by suggesting the terrorists took a Canadian route to the U.S. eight years ago, McCain defended her by saying that, in fact, the former Arizona governor was correct.

"Well, some of the 9-11 hijackers did come through Canada, as you know," McCain, last year's Republican presidential candidate, said on Fox News on Friday.

Next.

50 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #48 Gus 802

Lots of other crazy stuff at the Pat Buchanan discussion site.

Go here and scroll down to #14.

no

51 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #30 Charles

Please note: Pat Buchanan himself apparently does not take part in that discussion.

But the bold section in my quote above makes it very clear that the site's administrator approved of it. And no one thought it was out of order.


Rodfish isn't just a one hit wonder.
He's the #1 poster to that site so I agree, they endorse his views.

52 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:42:23pm

re: #19 Steffan

You have to have a brain in the first place.

Somebody should tell Pat in as many words to STFU, STFD, and ESAD.

I'm getting to the point where I'd be more than happy to say that to him in as many words.

My father was in the AAF and helped evacuate some of the inmates of Dachau. I've been to Dachau.

The existence of the Holocaust is not debatable, especially because the anally-retentive German bureaucrats documented everything. Ain't too often that the bad guys will sign their own death warrants.

I've been to Dachau as well. It was a tremendously sad and moving experience.

53 gegenkritik  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:42:30pm
Most historians believe it was LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GAS 6 MILLION JEWS


It wasn't six Jews million gassed: at least one million of them was shot by mobile SS-Einsatzkommandos in Eastern-Europe/Russia and hundreds of thousands were starved to death or died as slave-labourers.
By the way, one of the best websites about Holocaust-denial is the blog of Prof. Lipstadt.

Oh, and if you met a Holocaust-denier personally, remember the pictures of the Nazi-deathcamps. Then hit him right in the face.

54 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:42:41pm

re: #48 Gus 802

Lots of other crazy stuff at the Pat Buchanan discussion site.

Go here and scroll down to #14.

Good grief!

55 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:43:00pm

What a world, what a world.

56 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:43:03pm

re: #47 Mithrax

Damn Charles,

How can you stomach to find this crap, let alone read it?

Render, receiver of the hat tip, is a wonder.

57 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:43:39pm

re: #52 LGoPs

I've been to Dachau as well. It was a tremendously sad and moving experience.

I don't think I could do it. Part of me would really like to go to the Holocaust Museum, but most of me knows I'd be sobbing uncontrollably the entire time.

58 pink freud  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:43:49pm

re: #47 Mithrax

Damn Charles,

How can you stomach to find this crap, let alone read it?

H/T to Render, one of the long-tooth lizards.

Hope all's well with you, Render.

59 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:43:58pm

re: #54 DEZes

Good grief!

Did you read it? I glanced through it really quick and it's one of the craziest things I've seen for a while. Completely anti-semitic and racist.

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:44:34pm

re: #40 Truck Monkey

As much as we bitch about liberals around here this is all coming from the right. Buchanan was invited to CPAC. Ron Paul and Alan Keys ( who recently said Obama was going to stage a terrorist attack and declare martial law) were allowed to participate in the GOP debates. Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell and Glenn Beck are all over FOX news. It's just insanity what's going on these days.

61 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:44:42pm

re: #48 Gus 802

Lots of other crazy stuff at the Pat Buchanan discussion site.

Go here and scroll down to #14.

God it was like reading Fjordman.

62 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:45:00pm

re: #34 doppelganglander

so glad to hear it.
hope he never gets another migraine headache.
they are no fun. my husband used to get them.
blurry vision, the whole deal. he out grew them, tho.
which people often do.

63 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:45:08pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Did you read it? I glanced through it really quick and it's one of the craziest things I've seen for a while. Completely anti-semitic and racist.

I had to stop, my eyes were bleeding.

64 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:45:40pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

....And Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate allowed to speak at the popular Tea Parties.

65 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:46:17pm

re: #58 pink freud

OT ,,, how's your "Atlanta person" doing!?!?!

66 gegenkritik  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:46:36pm

re: #53 gegenkritik

Damn misspelling, I meant: [...] six million Jews [...].

67 EaterOfFood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:46:53pm

To those who actually bothered to read it, how do you bring yourself to do so knowing that what lies in store is pure evil? I don't bother to click on it because I know it would make me angry. And I know that it is all lies.

They do know that Hitler modeled this after the Armenian genocide, whose occurrence no one denies?

I assume they also know that one million dollars is chump change for a "fund to protect their claims" when the government spends more money than that in a second.

But that would be giving the benefit of the doubt to people who don't deserve it.

68 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:47:22pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

....And Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate allowed to speak at the popular Tea Parties.

Newt spoke. He wasn't a "candidate" this past election, but has been in the past and IMHO will be again soon

69 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:47:29pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

....And Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate allowed to speak at the popular Tea Parties.


I'm listening to his interview today on the alex jones show.

Bad craziness

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:48:35pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Yikes, I didn't listen to the whole thing before. At about 5:00 he starts talking about armed militias that need to rise up. Then a military coup will happen to support the popular rebellion.

71 pink freud  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:48:37pm

re: #65 sattv4u2

OT ,,, how's your "Atlanta person" doing!?!?!

She is doing wonderful, satttv, thank you for asking. No small comfort for me knowing you are nearby.

72 ayatollah ghilmeini  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:48:43pm

As anyone who reads Buchanan must know- Pat's favorite phrase is America First. His family were big in the Hitler loving pre-war group of the same name.

Here is a pic of Charles Lindbergh and Sen. Wheeler at Sieg Heiling at an America First rally.

Buchanan cannot be faulted for his consistency only his love of Hitler and fascism and his hatred of Jews.

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:49:34pm

re: #68 sattv4u2

Yeah, he looks like he's positioning himself for a presidential run.

74 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:50:16pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Yikes, I didn't listen to the whole thing before. At about 5:00 he starts talking about armed militias that need to rise up. Then a military coup will happen to support the popular rebellion.


I'm not into armed rebellion but it is quite amazing that it's come to this eh?...times are not boring for sure

75 Gordon Marock  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:50:49pm

Pat needs to have a railroad spike driven through his cranium, figuratively speaking.

76 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:50:59pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

As much as we bitch about liberals around here this is all coming from the right. Buchanan was invited to CPAC. Ron Paul and Alan Keys ( who recently said Obama was going to stage a terrorist attack and declare martial law) were allowed to participate in the GOP debates. Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell and Glenn Beck are all over FOX news. It's just insanity what's going on these days.

Anyone who thinks that the right has a monopoly on anti-semitism is in denial.

77 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:51:08pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

The sane people are not being represented by either party lately, and that is why this is so scary.

78 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:51:23pm

If we do have a terrorist attack under Obama. The right is simply going to explode with insanity far beyond anything we saw from the left over the past few years. These guys are spooky and violent.

79 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:52:32pm

Admin information for that site is located at the very bottom.

Another fine website made in the USA by Linda Muller — ForTheCause.us

The admin of the discussion boards is Linda.

80 Truck Monkey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:52:45pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I hope you are wrong but fear you are right.

81 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:52:47pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

If we do have a terrorist attack under Obama. The right is simply going to explode with insanity far beyond anything we saw from the left over the past few years. These guys are spooky and violent.

if BO fails to provide the best security for America, can you blame them?

82 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:53:55pm

re: #81 albusteve

Don't go there.....

83 BlueCanuck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:55:06pm

re: #67 EaterOfFood

They do know that Hitler modeled this after the Armenian genocide, whose occurrence no one denies?

Well, the past and modern Turkish government still do.

84 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:55:16pm

Did anyone notice this on Buchanan's site?

Most Users Ever Online:

67

85 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:55:50pm

I did business with a Jew today who told me his parents were Auschwitz survivors.

May all deniers burn in hell.

86 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:56:10pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

If we do have a terrorist attack under Obama. The right is simply going to explode with insanity far beyond anything we saw from the left over the past few years. These guys are spooky and violent.

no they won't. most of the right are decent hard working citizens.
if the fringe explodes, that small group of radicals will be put down quickly.

87 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:56:11pm

Forgot the link to where that came from: [Link: buchanan.org...]

88 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:56:22pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

If we do have a terrorist attack under Obama. The right is simply going to explode with insanity far beyond anything we saw from the left over the past few years. These guys are spooky and violent.

What evidence is there for such a hateful assessment of your fellow countrymen?

89 CommonCents  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:57:02pm

OT: Conspiracy Watch

Prison Break is on now, they have a device to make the world a resource utopia. The key to the plot is a man named Sadinsky. Sounds alot like Saul David Alinsky to me.

90 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:57:23pm

re: #84 carefulnow

Did anyone notice this on Buchanan's site?

Most Users Ever Online:

67

That number is the most users ever online at once on the discussion forum.

91 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

You talking about the Alan Keyes vid?

92 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:58:19pm

re: #84 carefulnow

The Ron Paul forums are like that too. There's usually only 20-30 people online.

93 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:00pm

re: #83 BlueCanuck

Turkey just recalled their ambassador to Canada about that same issue. Someone apparently offended the current thought thread.

94 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:10pm

re: #86 nyc redneck

no they won't. most of the right are decent hard working citizens.
if the fringe explodes, that small group of radicals will be put down quickly.

Exactly, the crazys make themselves known most of the time.
I have seen knee jerk statements that make me wonder if the poster kicked them self in the head, that was one of them.

95 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:20pm

re: #91 Thanos

Yeah, I just watched it all the way through. I stopped watching this morning because the quality was so bad. He's a nut.

96 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:27pm

re: #91 Thanos

You talking about the Alan Keyes vid?

That Alan Keyes video is absolutely bug-eyed insane.

97 big steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 5:59:43pm

re: #90 Charles

That number is the most users ever online at once on the discussion forum.

What is the most users on-line for a thread for LGF?

98 Jimash  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:00:01pm

Whew, they are assholes.
I just want to drop this link.

General Eisenhower knew this was coming

99 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:00:05pm

re: #88 Spare O'Lake

I probably shouldn't have even brought up the topic. Let's just drop it.

100 CommonCents  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:00:18pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

If we do have a terrorist attack under Obama. The right is simply going to explode with insanity far beyond anything we saw from the left over the past few years. These guys are spooky and violent.

You talkin' about me!?

101 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:00:53pm

re: #100 CommonCents

See #99

102 jcm  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:01:14pm

Facts, evidence, testimony, logic; nothing means anything anymore.

It's all about what "I" think, believe and feel.

Holocaust deniers.
Troofers.
Conspiracists.
Creationists.
Leftists.

When the world view is egocentric, the terror of changing the center of the world precludes everything else.

103 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:01:29pm

re: #97 big steve

Probably more than 67......

104 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:01:48pm

This is perpetuated ignorance at its finest. After thousands of Allied soldiers witnessed the camps, mass graves, the trains, and the survivors of one of the most heinous crimes in history there are people who continue to give life to the lie that initiated it in the first place. There is no amount of evidence that will make an impact on these fools. The conspiracy will just create another conspiracy to continue the delusion.

105 Blastforth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:01:49pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

The Terrorist don't have to attack us again. They've already set in motion our self-destruction.

106 CommonCents  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:02:21pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

I can comply with that request.

107 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:02:48pm

World War II is a myth.

Where's the evidence?

OTOH, I've never actually seen Germany with my own two eyes.

/how much idiocy can this world stand?

108 albusteve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:02:52pm

re: #103 WhiteRasta

Probably more than 67......

it's posted up top

109 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:03:20pm

re: #105 Blastforth

The Terrorist don't have to attack us again. They've already set in motion our self-destruction.

Maybe I'm not paying attention. How, when?

110 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:03:41pm

Render, if you are still out there check out the IDF vid at my place if you haven't already seen it.

111 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:03:41pm

re: #108 albusteve

Thanks....

112 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:04:12pm

re: #107 itellu3times

World War II is a myth.

Where's the evidence?

OTOH, I've never actually seen Germany with my own two eyes.

/how much idiocy can this world stand?


They filmed the concentration camp scenes in the same warner Brothers back lot where they filmed the Moon landing scenes

/

113 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:04:17pm

re: #97 big steve

What is the most users on-line for a thread for LGF?

One of the times Drudge Report linked to LGF, I saw more than 17,000 visitors online.

Then the server locked up.

114 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:04:33pm

He's right about one thing: the Nazis didn't gas and incinerate 6 million Jews. The number is much lower because millions of Jews died from disease, starvation, fire, random mayhem, and being forced to dig their own mass graves before being shot and shoved into the hole.

The latest meme I've seen on the left is now that Jews claim privileged use of the word "holocaust" so that it can't apply to any other genocide. If those schmucks knew the origins of the word, they would understand. It originally referred to a sacrificial animal being entirely consumed by the fire. It is specifically a Jewish term.

GRRRRRRRRRRRR! Don't get me started.

115 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:05:01pm

re: #109 unrealizedviewpoint

Every time they spout their nonsense and are taken seriously, on any subject.

116 SteveC  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:05:13pm

Today's CDC report on Swine Flu

On April 21, 2009, CDC reported that two recent cases of febrile respiratory illness in children in southern California had been caused by infection with genetically similar swine influenza A (H1N1) viruses. The viruses contained a unique combination of gene segments that had not been reported previously among swine or human influenza viruses in the United States or elsewhere (1). Neither child had known contact with pigs, resulting in concern that human-to-human transmission might have occurred. The seasonal influenza vaccine H1N1 strain is thought to be unlikely to provide protection. This report updates the status of the ongoing investigation and provides preliminary details about six additional persons infected by the same strain of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus identified in the previous cases, as of April 24.

I also read on one of the Medical Blog I follow that the White House and WHO had been briefed.

117 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:05:25pm

re: #113 Charles

But what's the average?

118 Render  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:05:34pm

re: #79 Gus 802

[Link: www.google.com...]

10,000
YEARS,
R

119 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:06:06pm

re: #113 Charles

One of the times Drudge Report linked to LGF, I saw more than 17,000 visitors online.

Then the server locked up.

awesome!

120 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:06:09pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

I probably shouldn't have even brought up the topic. Let's just drop it.

Thanks.
So how about those Blue Jays?

121 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:07:13pm

Later lizards.

122 WhiteRasta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:07:52pm

re: #116 SteveC

Hey!~ I trust the UN to keep this thing under control.

123 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:08:34pm

re: #118 Render

Gotta love those paleos, party really doesn't matter, only the single cause does:

Jan 25, 2007 ... Linda Muller actively supported U.S. Senator Webb (D-VA) who defeated Former U.S. Senator Allen (R-VA) despite Webb's lack of a firm stand

124 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:09:06pm

re: #118 Render

[Link: www.google.com...]

10,000
YEARS,
R

Thanks. I was looking through the Web Archive of her site. The usual WND type material and I found this crazy newspaper clipping in the archive:

Smallpox Vaccine Triggered Aids Virus

That site also linked to VDARE.

125 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:09:13pm

re: #120 Spare O'Lake

Thanks.
So how about those Blue Jays?

They're doing pretty well, won all 5 series so far, but they've played NO games against eastern teams.

Proof is in the pudding when we start playing the yanks and bosox.

126 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:09:21pm

re: #122 WhiteRasta

Hey!~ I trust the UN to keep this thing under control.

I think I will put more trust in Team America.;)
Can I get a Fuck yeah.?

127 SteveC  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:09:35pm

re: #122 WhiteRasta

Hey!~ I trust the UN to keep this thing under control.

So do I!

/I'll vacation in San Diego this year; Obama will protect us!

128 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:09:38pm

Scumbag buchanan should ask people in Germany and Poland if the Holocaust happened. But then again, he probably thinks the Auschwitz complex is a movie set created by the Jews in Hollywood.

What a piece of shit he is. Does Sean Hannity still have him on his TV and radio shows?

129 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:10:24pm

re: #102 jcm

Facts, evidence, testimony, logic; nothing means anything anymore.

It's all about what "I" think, believe and feel.

Holocaust deniers.
Troofers.
Conspiracists.
Creationists.
Leftists.

When the world view is egocentric, the terror of changing the center of the world precludes everything else.

It's all Al Gore's fault for inventing the damn internet./

130 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:11:05pm

re: #128 _RememberTonyC

Scumbag buchanan should ask people in Germany and Poland if the Holocaust happened. But then again, he probably thinks the Auschwitz complex is a movie set created by the Jews in Hollywood.

What a piece of shit he is. Does Sean Hannity still have him on his TV and radio shows?

Maybe he should fly to Czechoslovakia and hold the debate there....

131 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:11:32pm

Just so you guys know, Alan Keyes is not a Republican. He started some other nutty party, with some Freeper he has been working with for years, I think. I can't remember the name of the party but I can find out quickly.

132 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:11:34pm

re: #116 SteveC

I was a kid when the big swine flu scare of the '70s broke. IIRC, you had to get two shots to be fully immunized. I was completely convinced it was a whole lot of nothing and adamantly refused to get the shot. But, since I was about 13, my mom won out and I waited in line at the middle school with everyone else to get the first shot. By the time I would have gone back for the second, the hysteria had died down and I never got it.

Let's hope this is exactly the same, a lot of fuss over nothing.

133 jcm  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:11:40pm

re: #126 DEZes

I think I will put more trust in Team America.;)
Can I get a Fuck yeah.?

Youtube Video
134 SteveC  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:11:59pm

Regarding the dead polo horses, somebody probably misread the formula.

Sad

135 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:13:05pm

therock

I've said enough, and Rod is right to a degree, but you have to follow the truth! We can all become Palestinians, fighting the beast, no?

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

136 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:13:20pm

re: #123 Thanos

Gotta love those paleos, party really doesn't matter, only the single cause does:

I voted for Allen. :)

137 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:13:36pm

re: #131 capitalist piglet

Just so you guys know, Alan Keyes is not a Republican. He started some other nutty party, with some Freeper he has been working with for years, I think. I can't remember the name of the party but I can find out quickly.

It's called "America's Independent Party".

138 jcm  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:13:47pm

re: #129 Spare O'Lake

It's all Al Gore's fault for inventing the damn internet./

I saw it on the innerwebz it must be troof!

139 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:13:48pm

re: #133 jcm

Okay, you get an upding. ;)

140 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:14:07pm

re: #133 jcm

Never saw. Had no idea it was so language filled.

141 Red Pencil  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:14:55pm

re: #67 EaterOfFood


They do know that Hitler modeled this after the Armenian genocide, whose occurrence no one denies?

Never say "no one denies", you can always find someone to deny the sun rises in the east. The Turkish government rather famously does deny that there was an Armenian genocide, and just a few weeks back Obama kindly decided not to use the word.

142 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #140 unrealizedviewpoint

Never saw. Had no idea it was so language filled.

I have no idea your taste in comedy, but that movie made me laugh till I cried.

143 Syrah  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:15:47pm

re: #131 capitalist piglet

Just so you guys know, Alan Keyes is not a Republican. He started some other nutty party, with some Freeper he has been working with for years, I think. I can't remember the name of the party but I can find out quickly.

Thank God for third party's.


Bye the bye Lizards, is it third party's or third parties?

144 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:17:15pm

Someone should direct these mindless drones to the following website:

Holocaust Denial On Trial

Currently with translations to Arabic, Farsi, Russian, and Turkish, this website was created by Deborah Lipstadt, Emory University professor who successfully defended her claim that David Irving is a holocaust denier and incorrect in his claims. The site systematically debunks many of the holocaust denier myths with detailed academic citations. It was designed in hopes of being as accessible to possible in countries where holocaust denial is rampant.

Take a look.

145 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:17:17pm

Well, at least they can't blame the swine flu on the Jews.......

/how stupid of me, of course they can.

146 jcm  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:17:27pm

re: #140 unrealizedviewpoint

Never saw. Had no idea it was so language filled.

It's worth a look, if you enjoy South Park type send ups and humor.

147 Red Pencil  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:18:20pm

re: #143 Syrah


Bye the bye Lizards, is it third party's or third parties?

It would be "parties", grammatically speaking. But mathematically speaking, "third parties", plural, makes no sense, so perhaps it should be "third, fourth and fifth parties".

148 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:18:23pm

Update: Dr.C has returned from a skiing trip in Switzerland..totally refreshed..And he is publishing on his blog Binary black holes and gravitational waves theory for his students..
His strong point is that, he as a leading physicist , Speaks to the layman..Much like Hawkings book a brief history of time..
For your scientific reading pleasure..
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

149 Blastforth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:19:00pm

re: #109 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe I'm not paying attention. How, when?

For god sakes, look around you. We're spending billions we do not have to prevent the next attack. Our current leaders talking about prosecuting our former leaders for protecting the country. The rest of the world hates because we did what we had to to protect ourselves. We're going to tax carbon output because the rest of the world thinks we pollute too much and because it just, well, nice. We've going into debt we can't afford because no one in the country should be allowed to go without a cell phone. We have drug laws that do nothing but create a huge black market in drugs fed by places like Afghanistan. Need I go on?

150 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:19:32pm

I hate these fuckers.....it's like they're intentionally waiting for the real-life survivors of the concentration camps to die off of old age, and only then can they make their claims.

Also, if you presented them with incontrevertibale proof that exactly 5,999,998 Jews were killed by the nazis, their first response would be "A-HA! So the whole '6 million Jews killed' was a myth!'

151 Syrah  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:19:46pm

re: #147 Red Pencil

It would be "parties", grammatically speaking. But mathematically speaking, "third parties", plural, makes no sense, so perhaps it should be "third, fourth and fifth parties".

OK, thanks.

152 jvic  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:03pm

During the 1992 election, a married couple I know well told me, "We understand Buchanan is vile, but he's the only one talking about the things that affect us."

Therein lies a danger:

51% View Tea Parties Favorably, Political Class Strongly Disagrees

Extremists are always looking for openings, especially when confidence in conventional wisdom is shaken.

153 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:09pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Update: Dr.C has returned from a skiing trip in Switzerland..totally refreshed..And he is publishing on his blog Binary black holes and gravitational waves theory for his students..
His strong point is that, he as a leading physicist , Speaks to the layman..Much like Hawkings book a brief history of time..
For your scientific reading pleasure..
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

Thanks hoops, I had no idea you had a soft spot for space studies.
Good on you. ;)

154 sffilk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:15pm

What I can't understand is that the Germans have admitted to the truth and still this odorous piece of vermin still refuses to believe it.

155 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:20:24pm

140, 146

I'll add it to my Netflix queue. Thnx

156 gegenkritik  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:10pm

re: #145 yesandno

Well, at least they can't blame the swine flu on the Jews.......

/how stupid of me, of course they can.


Yes they can. Some years ago, I saw on some German Neonazi-forums discussions about the Bird flu/H5N1 being invented by Israel. (Dunno why, maybe the evil Jews wanted to hurt those sweet birds).

157 capitalist piglet  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:24:02pm

This business of releasing Chinese Muslim Gitmo alumni in Virginia or Montana, or wherever the hell Obama is releasing them is just insane. Just INSANE.

The crazy left is running the country.

158 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:24:33pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

Did you hear about the Atlanta Hawks mascot (Spirit the Hawk) deciding to ignore his trainer so he could fly around the arena and take in some of the game?

That's almost as awkward as that falcon I trained to attack A-Rod at Fenway park......only it backfired when the damn bird went after a 13 year old named Alexa Rodriguez.

159 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:26:33pm

re: #149 Blastforth

For god sakes, look around you. We're spending billions we do not have to prevent the next attack. Our current leaders talking about prosecuting our former leaders for protecting the country. The rest of the world hates because we did what we had to to protect ourselves. We're going to tax carbon output because the rest of the world thinks we pollute too much and because it just, well, nice. We've going into debt we can't afford because no one in the country should be allowed to go without a cell phone. We have drug laws that do nothing but create a huge black market in drugs fed by places like Afghanistan. Need I go on?

I don't disagree with one word. Yet I don't believe the terrorists set this all in motion. Therefore your statement:

The Terrorist don't have to attack us again. They've already set in motion our self-destruction.

didn't work for me. That's all. Good post though.

160 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:26pm

Ahmanutjob/Buchanan '12

Skepticism you can believe in.

161 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:54pm

re: #154 sffilk

What I can't understand is that the Germans have admitted to the truth and still this odorous piece of vermin still refuses to believe it.

Some people will never accept a fact no matter how hard they are hit over the head with it, They rationalize through what they want to believe, they cherry pick and disregard anything that upsets their views, but latch on to any thing that reinforces their predetermined views regardless of how ridiculous or absurd.
They are pitiful creatures.

162 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:30:29pm

re: #161 DEZes

Some people will never accept a fact no matter how hard they are hit over the head with it, They rationalize through what they want to believe, they cherry pick and disregard anything that upsets their views, but latch on to any thing that reinforces their predetermined views regardless of how ridiculous or absurd.

Sounds democrat like.

163 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:31:36pm

re: #162 unrealizedviewpoint

Sounds democrat like.


;)

Youtube Video
164 AMER1CAN  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:35:13pm

You can't debate or deny that many millions of Jews were sent to camps and millions never returned home. Just go ask all the children who were left without parents, or go ask the survivors the numbers they saw at the camps.

Was it 6 million? Was it 4 million? Was it 8 million?

It was millions of humans slaughtered. And they were slaughtered because they were Jewish.

165 Sunlight  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:01pm

re: #20 Kosh's Shadow

The MSM wants to present Buchanan and Ron Paul as the image of the Republican party so that Jews who get disillusioned with Obama will feel even more repelled by the Republican party than by Obama.

And your suggestion re this is.....?

166 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:37:09pm

I used to think Pat had his act together way back when. He's went of his rocker, around the bend, etc...

167 David Simon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:37:49pm

re: #157 capitalist piglet

This business of releasing Chinese Muslim Gitmo alumni in Virginia or Montana, or wherever the hell Obama is releasing them is just insane. Just INSANE.

The crazy left is running the country.

Yes, and I'm really sick of hearing "the Uighers beef is with China, not the United States." Bullshit. Al Qaeda recruited them, and they are as dangerous as any of the other vermin who were captured on the battlefield.

168 Sunlight  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:03pm

re: #31 Teacake!

I think Hannity still calls him a great American

And Laura Ingraham treats him like Uncle Pat.

169 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:28pm

re: #153 DEZes

Thanks hoops, I had no idea you had a soft spot for space studies.
Good on you. ;)

I love science and technology..And Charles has been so kind to me.. I've posted alot of my fav sites..( and I know he checked them out). He knows I like pure science.. And 100% of my links are available..Nary a delete..
I'm proud of that..I'm not so proud that I've gone off on a couple sites that I thought needed dissing...Not that I worried that I called out assholes and jerks and bigots..No.. I called out a right wing blog with a coupl banned posters. I'll never do that again. I never want to hurt LGF..The piss ants aren't worth it..
Th next poster that says on another blog that all I was doing was petting my dogs belly and Charles Banned me..Really? My dog ate my homework..But never got me banned..LOL

170 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:02pm

These claims that the holocaust never happened and never could have happened are so crazy that a bit of thought discloses that the authors don't believe their shit either. Anybody smart enough to write in halfway complete sentences and string them together to make what looks like a case is smart enough to know that six million jews didn't go on vacation to Shangri-La during WW2 and just decide to not come back.

Statistical sampling may not be good enough for a census, but when most survivors are the only surviving member of their circle of family and friends, when precious few survivors are to be found anywhere, and when those that did survive, if you interview them, the luck that saw them through is the kind of luck almost nobody has, well, almost nobody had that kind of luck. Almost everybody died.

The logical case being advanced is shot full of distortions and deception. A straw man is set up and knocked down: there couldn't have been 6 million gassed at Auschwitz.

OK, there weren't, because after all the killings at Dachau, Belsen, Sobibor, Treblinka, Babi Yar, and in retail massacres throughout the length and breadth of occupied Europe, there weren't six million left. Starvation took its toll at Auschwitz as well. But no reputable holocaust historian claims that 6 million were gassed, at Auschwitz.

Then there's the claim that there couldn't have been any gassings, because the gas in question clings to clothing and it would not have been safe to remove the dead.

Anybody making this argument has to be laughing an obscene laugh. Snicker, snicker, showers. He knows, as we know, that the victims didn't go into those places clothed.

For a little while yet there are eyewitnesses. But everything that ever happens recedes into the past at a rate of one year per year. In my youth, there were surviving veterans of the civil war. Nobody argued then that the civil war never happened. Nobody argues it now, because we have writing, photographs, oral tradition, and physical evidence. But somehow when it comes to the holocaust, all this, AND eyewitnesses, is insufficient to cause these hyenas to publicly admit that they know as well as we that it did so happen.

And so we are left to conclude that their agenda isn't to `set the record straight', but to set it askew, so that their own try at finishing what Hitler started doesn't run into too much flak from a public that has been vaccinated by history against a replay.

It's enough to make a fellow see the point of European laws against holocaust denial. Holocaust denial is, to borrow some terminology from Arabic, jihad of the word, in service of jihad of the sword. If we didn't have the luxury of knowing that here, in our nation, such talk has no chance at all of going anywhere in our own day and age, we might have to rethink our tolerance for this particular means by which these guys seek to advance their foul crusade.

171 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:29pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

You're right of course. And that comment 14 on Buchanan's site that was referred to earlier had 7 people registered with her.

Still, like an oil slick, this stuff spreads wide.

172 David Simon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:37pm

re: #164 AMER1CAN

You can't debate or deny that many millions of Jews were sent to camps and millions never returned home. Just go ask all the children who were left without parents, or go ask the survivors the numbers they saw at the camps.

Was it 6 million? Was it 4 million? Was it 8 million?

It was millions of humans slaughtered. And they were slaughtered because they were Jewish.

It's important to remember that millions of gentiles were slaughtered too.

173 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:45pm

It doesn't matter whether the site has 10 readers or 10,000 readers.

This is the official website of Pat Buchanan.

174 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:46:04pm

re: #173 Charles
It is beyond rehensible.

175 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:46:43pm

"Anti-Semite!"

*punches them all in the face over the internet*

/Walter

176 Blastforth  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:18pm

re: #159 unrealizedviewpoint

May I didn't put it well. But they lucked out, they got us fighting amongst ourselves, and I they must be toasting goat milk all around.

177 JHW  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:23pm

I am so sick of the very idea of Holocaust Denial.An idiot's conspiracy theory. Census figures pre-war reflected quite well the Jewish populations in Europe. Where did these people go if there was no Holocaust? Same thing with 911 Troofers that maintain no plane hit the pentagon? Well Mr. Mouth-Breather Conspiracy Theorist, where are the passengers and crew of that flight? In a secret government camp? / Sarc.

Several years ago, National Geographic magazine had an article on the modern Jews of Poland. They are a tiny fraction of the prewar Jewish population. The Nazis tried to erase the very memory of the Jewish people, using tombstones for paving-stones, erasing whole families as if they'd never existed. A Gentile, like me, can't even wrap their head around this no matter how hard you try. I know my family tree, they existed, nobody tried to erase them. There's not even the slightest human or documentary evidence left for millions of individuals and families extent that they even existed, this is the legacy of the Nazi plan to wipe out an entire people from human memory. I spit on these evil-minded denier scum-bags.

178 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:50:05pm

re: #164 AMER1CAN

You can't debate or deny that many millions of Jews were sent to camps and millions never returned home. Just go ask all the children who were left without parents, or go ask the survivors the numbers they saw at the camps.

Was it 6 million? Was it 4 million? Was it 8 million?

It was millions of humans slaughtered. And they were slaughtered because they were Jewish.

There is an organization (I can't recall which one) that maintains an online searchable database of Holocaust victims. My girl in NYC lost relatives in the Holocaust. I once searched for her last name in the region I know her family members were from, and I got sixty thousand results. Most of those results were just last name, first initial, and nothing else.

179 American Sabra  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:00:45pm

re: #178 Pawn of the Oppressor

Jewishgen.org is the place to start when looking for survivors. Maybe this is where she went? They have the Yizkor books, many of which have been translated from Hebrew and Yiddish. Basically, these are books that have been put together by survivors and their families to locate misplaced or murdered relatives and also to find the places they lived in.

[Link: www.jewishgen.org...]

Also the Red Cross has started a service in which you send your DNA and they can possibly locate family members. With the fall of the Iron Curtain, much information has been released from Russia, Germany, etc. all the countries that had camps. The governments kept good records, not just of their Jewish "prisoners", but those who were systematically rounded up and slaughtered in their towns. Now all of that is being made public. (Contact your local Red Cross).

We've done all these things, had some good luck and not so good luck, but all been worth the efforts.

Also, Holocaust Deniers generally don't deny the Holocaust outright. They just claim it was a lot less people, say 100,000 or 200,000 and others say there were no gas chambers. They have lots of diabolical reasons for stating so, none of which I care to repeat, but it's equally as crazy.

180 American Sabra  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:02:47pm

Oh, and Ellis Island has a site where you can find the manifest from the ship your relatives sailed on. This is actually quite a bit of fun for anyone interested in their geneology.

[Link: www.ellisisland.org...]

181 Joel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:08:39pm

The Buchananite assholes always talk about how impossibe it was for the Nazis to gas 6 million Jews. Well the Nazis did not gas 6 million Jews - they gassed around 2 1'2 million Jews, the other 3 1/2 million Jews were either killed by shootings (Einsatzgruppen) or from diseases resulting from ghettoization and forced starvation. Also the figure of 6 million includes Jews who were killed by the Nazis allies - primarily the Romanians, Hungarians, Croatians, and Baltic Republics.

182 EaterOfFood  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:14:04pm

re: #83 BlueCanuck

Well, the past and modern Turkish government still do.

Considering that they did it, I'm not surprised.

183 stuiec  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:14:46pm

The most evil, invidious and insidious aspect of the discussion isn't the denial of the deaths of six million Jews at the hands of the Nazis and their puppets.

The most evil, invidious and insidious aspect is exemplified by this, from one 'walktrump':

My sentiments exactly. But I don't think we should stop asking questions that need answers. Even if it means that the official version of history changes. Remeber Ira, who writes history. Science is a very useful tool for affirming the truth and debunking the myths. Obviously, there was a plan against Jews. The question that no one will honestly answer is why? There is a pattern to the jews being tossed out of countries. Why? Why can't we answer the questions without resorting to gestapo tactics? “Just leave it alone”–some say. But in order to understand where we're going we have to know the truth of where we've been.


What that tells me is that the Holocaust deniers are about to shift tactics massively. "OK, we were wrong," they will say. "Hitler killed six million Jews. But what were those Jews doing that forced Hitler to do such a thing?"

To top it off, 'walktrump's sig is:

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”-Thomas Jefferson
184 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:46pm

re: #173 Charles

It doesn't matter whether the site has 10 readers or 10,000 readers.

This is the official website of Pat Buchanan.

Whose site-administrator gave his blessing to a holocaust-denial thread. This is not some "open thread" that got hijacked by loons while the admins were napping. Buchanan owns this.

185 American Sabra  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:03pm

re: #181 Joel

Yes, my grandmother's family were killed by the Hungarians in a small town in Russia called Korelitz (Korelicze), now Belarus, along with about 12,000 other Jews from neighboring towns. They rounded them up, cut off water, food and supplies and then shot and beat them all to death. A few handfuls of people are said to have survived.

186 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:33pm

re: #183 stuiec

What that tells me is that the Holocaust deniers are about to shift tactics massively. "OK, we were wrong," they will say. "Hitler killed six million Jews. But what were those Jews doing that forced Hitler to do such a thing?"

This is EXACTLY what that little 25 year old BNP goofball was opining to the reporter in "Young, Nazi, and Proud".

Wonder if he'd heard it from Nicky G?

187 American Sabra  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:12pm

During the election, good ole Jew-hatin' Pat was all over the news networks. The Right (Fox), the Left (Meet the Press) and everything in between. Why anyone allows this man a public forum is beyond me.

188 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:46pm

re: #187 American Sabra
He's a regular on Joe Scarboroughs PMSNBC show.

189 Joel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:57pm

re: #188 pingjockey

He's a regular on Joe Scarboroughs PMSNBC show.

I thought I was the only one who called it PMSNBC!

190 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:39pm

re: #189 Joel
Oh noez, lotsa folks call it that or loonie central.

191 Joel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:59pm

re: #185 American Sabra

Yes, my grandmother's family were killed by the Hungarians in a small town in Russia called Korelitz (Korelicze), now Belarus, along with about 12,000 other Jews from neighboring towns. They rounded them up, cut off water, food and supplies and then shot and beat them all to death. A few handfuls of people are said to have survived.

Yes the Germans were not not the only ones who had Jewish blood on their hands. The Romanians and the Hungarians did a lot of the dirty work for them. The Romanian's were particularly brutal in the Odessa region.

192 Joel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:03pm

re: #190 pingjockey

Oh noez, lotsa folks call it that or loonie central.

Gee I wonder why after looking at their lineup - Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, David Shuster, Keith Olbermann and Mr. Rachel Maddow.

193 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:08pm

re: #192 Joel
Heh. Uber dork should have stayed at ESPN, he have a bigger audience and be taken more seriously by more people.

194 Joel  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:58pm

re: #193 pingjockey

Heh. Uber dork should have stayed at ESPN, he have a bigger audience and be taken more seriously by more people.


Oh and I have it on good authority he is a sexually inadequate pervert.

195 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:31pm

Going up thread!

196 dwells38  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:58:23pm

Even war criminals like Eichmann didn't deny it happened. Merely shock when they found out about it or that they were directed by superiors and therefore not culpable. In the below quote from tapes made while in hiding Eichmann seems to relish the accomplishment. If it never happened why didn't he rail in exile about how trivial it was and nowhere near the scale the accursers claimed?
From Adolf Eichmann: The Mind of a War Criminal By Professor David Cesarani
"In hiding in Argentina in the mid 1950s, Eichmann recorded on tape his recollections of these final days. 'I called my men into my Berlin office ... and formally took leave of them. 'If it has to be', I told them, 'I will gladly jump into my grave in the knowledge that five million enemies of the Reich have already died like animals.' "

So is Pat skeptical that this happened despite Eichmann's apparent confession on tape? Or upset that the current claim of roughly 6 million is inflated by 1 million according to Eichmann?

197 jvic  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:02:43pm

re: #178 Pawn of the Oppressor

There is an organization (I can't recall which one) that maintains an online searchable database of Holocaust victims.

Might you be thinking of Yad Vashem? Their database page is here.

A casual visit to that site is impossible to me.

198 flavius_josephus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:10:08pm

re: #53 gegenkritik

DOn't forget the valuable Nizkor blog - [Link: www.nizkor.org...] - evidently a favorite target of deniers.
- Flavius

199 Pupdawg  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:13:32pm

re: #36 DEZes

"Most historians believe it was LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GAS 6 MILLION JEWS AND REDUCE THEIR BODIES TO ASHES,"

The stupidity of statements like this is troofer territory, Some were incinerated, but the mass graves are real.
Fucking assholes.

Yep, they are seriously.

200 rumcrook  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:14:43pm

re: #184 Zimriel

what puzzles me is that I know people have spewed nonsense about lgf that is patently absurd.

but buchanan hosts crap like this and it gets ignored? and he ends up on msmbc, fox, pbs?

201 freedomplow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 9:30:15pm

link here... Did it again. Sorry folks.

202 So?  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 10:25:31pm

I find the post repulsive and scary. The internet can now disseminate lie after lie after lie and there are millions out there ready to lap them up. Hate spreads so rapidly when the topic is Jews. They use Zionism to couch their vile words. Those Israeli jets that flew over Auschwitz are a warning to the world: NEVER AGAIN.

Got that Pat!

203 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 11:11:52pm

re: #20 Kosh's Shadow

The MSM wants to present Buchanan and Ron Paul as the image of the Republican party so that Jews who get disillusioned with Obama will feel even more repelled by the Republican party than by Obama.

Crap. The people who give Buchanan his fora are doing this for lots of reasons, but not because of some silly conspiracy. And the continued toleration of this bastard on conservative talkshows is all about the supposed gravitas that this paleo-idiot brings as a former speechwriter for Nixon, former presidential candidate, etc. p.p. ad nauseam.

Next you'll be saying Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter are part of some Dem plot?

204 swamprat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 11:29:55pm

re: #163 DEZes

And, as in you posted video, the dead often vote.

205 Spiritualized  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 12:46:53am
therock

I've said enough, and Rod is right to a degree, but you have to follow the truth! We can all become Palestinians, fighting the beast, no?

It's no wonder they love the Paleonazis:

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz." - Dieter Wisliceny, Eichmann's Deputy, Nuremberg

& here's an actual telegram from Himmler to al-Husseini:

Himmler to Mufti telegram

...In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world...

206 theheat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:29:58am

Puke Buchanan needs to be humiliated and outed at least 6 out of every 7 days a week, just to keep everyone sharp. It's really not difficult, he offers so much material to confirm his epic asshattery. His idiocy is unfailing, bankable, I dare say eternal.

He's only one of many reasons I wouldn't watch Fox news if there was a gun to my head. I refuse to offer my ears and eyeballs to that freak show.

207 redseeped  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:28:01am

re: #5 WK

Time to put Pat to pasture. No more interviews on TV, no more MSM interviews, cable or whatever.

I disagree. He is preaching to the believers. Should he be banned from the media, there would be an outcry in the kindergarten for the insane about how the Jews are controlling the media and deny these crazies their rants. Let them bark and let sane people pass their own judgment.
I was surprised when Pat failed to show up hand in hand with the ignorant and dogmatic Neturei Karta loonies in Tehran to spit on the memory of the millions who died.

208 redseeped  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:58:52am

re: #61 Shug

Amazing! He keeps talking about "oohs"...Not very "hreestian" of him...

209 undhimmicratic  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:33:36am

re: #178 Pawn of the Oppressor

www.yadvashem.org is probably the website you are thinking of. You can type in your family name and check on whether anyone of that name died and where.

210 Steffan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:48:17am

re: #30 Charles

Please note: Pat Buchanan himself apparently does not take part in that discussion.

But the bold section in my quote above makes it very clear that the site's administrator approved of it. And no one thought it was out of order.

Even so, he's allowing it on his website.

This would tend to argue that he doesn't disagree with this viewpoint.

If he allows it without comment or rebuttal, he agrees with it.

This matches the description of "Caught by his own petard."

211 deacon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:07:56am

I wonder if any of these deniers have ever made the trip to europe and visited one of the camps? I was able to visit sachsenhausen labor camp when I was in Germany, and while it was a labor camp as opposed to one of the death camps they still had a lot of deaths (and they were even making an effort to keep the healthy ones alive for forced labor). The Nazi's were notorious also for their documentation, they even had all the minutes from the conference on the Wannsee where they came up with the "Final Solution". I find it insane to think that some "Jewish Conspiracy" was put in place in just a few weeks. Hollywood did not even have the special effects to do this, and we are suppose to believe that a suppressed population living in a war torn country could do it!

Next, they will try to tell us that Stalins killing up some 20 million+ was a capitalistic conspiracy to make communism look bad.

212 hellosnackbar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:54am

When are "men in white coats"coming to take this mad bugger away?

213 EaterOfFood  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:40:14am

re: #83 BlueCanuck

Well, the past and modern Turkish government still do.

Is that why Obama refused to use the "G" word?

214 odorlesspaintthinner  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:10:05am

This guy was "on the right" on CNN Crossfire. Another "on the right" commentator was Bob Novak, who couldn't find a word to defend Israel if Jewish jihadists were sawing his head off.

215 lostlakehiker  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:28:00am

re: #57 doppelganglander

I don't think I could do it. Part of me would really like to go to the Holocaust Museum, but most of me knows I'd be sobbing uncontrollably the entire time.

Been there, as well as to some other places that encourage sober reflection. To me, a museum is more antiseptic. The real site hits in the gut.

A visit to Verdun is an odd thing. It's all green now. Trees have had time to grow. And then it begins to sink in: the landscape is irregular, dipping and rising in swells of several meters.

It's like a still shot of a choppy sea.

The key turns in the mind's eye, and all of a sudden, you are sitting there in some shallow trench as the artillery churns the tortured earth, and unburies and reburies the dead.

And so the museum is just a museum, but Auschwitz would be---hard to visit.

216 odorlesspaintthinner  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #211 deacon

I wonder if any of these deniers have ever made the trip to europe and visited one of the camps? I was able to visit sachsenhausen labor camp when I was in Germany, and while it was a labor camp as opposed to one of the death camps they still had a lot of deaths (and they were even making an effort to keep the healthy ones alive for forced labor). The Nazi's were notorious also for their documentation, they even had all the minutes from the conference on the Wannsee where they came up with the "Final Solution". I find it insane to think that some "Jewish Conspiracy" was put in place in just a few weeks. Hollywood did not even have the special effects to do this, and we are suppose to believe that a suppressed population living in a war torn country could do it!

Next, they will try to tell us that Stalins killing up some 20 million+ was a capitalistic conspiracy to make communism look bad.

Not to mention the U.S. Army taking films of the camps they liberated, forcing the locals to come view the crime scenes. Eisenhower and Patton swore to it. This is the most well-documented mass crime in human history. Holocaust denial is a window to something filthy in the soul.

217 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 12:16:12pm

re: #215 lostlakehiker

You've made excellent posts in this thread. When you visited Verdun did you see the Bayonet Trench ? I'm one of those that has little tolerance for those "jokes" that assert French soldiers were cowards. Verdun had to be another of those man-made hells on earth, how anyone came out of there sound of mind is a mystery to me.

218 Turtler  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:58pm

Let's see if I have this straight:

The Holocaust never happened but was only wartime propaganda by the warmngering British and French who forced poor Hitler to invade Poland which eventually forced him to commit the Holocaust as a defensive measure except it never happened except as a disorganized case of local ruffians going around handing out flowers to the Jews but I will not apologize for Hitler despite the fact that I think he has nothing to apologize for because the Holocaust never happened but if it did it was the British, French, and Zionists who forced it.

Is that about the gist of it?

219 RexFeral  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:29:58pm

[Ed. note: this Holocaust-denying creep has been blocked.]

That poster is right. No informed reasonable person thinks that six million Jews were gassed. No more than half of the victims of the Holocaust were gassed. Millions were shot, died of disease, starved to death, or marched to death in the death marches.

The Holocaust has become another subject that you cannot discuss intelligently. Prior to now, this lack of ability to discuss the subject intelligently was because true Holocaust deniers would cherry pick, distort, and take out of context quotes to support their denial. But now we have this website using McCarthyite tactics to smear anyone who dares stray from the party line as a Nazi. And not only anyone who strays but anyone who ever met anyone whoever strayed.

I see that a few posts up we have "proof" of a Nazi connection as indicated by a related website that sells Nazi music and book by Auschwitz commandant Hoess, Rudolf Hess and others. I just checked Amazon and in addition to a large quantity of DVDs, music and other items, they sell over 130,000 books on the Nazis including the grand daddy of all Nazi books, Mein Kampf. So Amazon is Nazi, and everybody who has ever looked around Amazon is Nazi , and everybody who ever met anybody who ever looked around in Amazon is Nazi.

Ban me, I don't care, I'm through. You have become that which you once opposed. You exist merely to hate your perceived enemies. So good luck with that,

220 deacon  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 5:00:16am

re: #215 lostlakehiker

It was like that when I visited Sachsenhausen. It was so quiet, and the day was overcast. The barracks where the prisoners are all gone and stone sarcoughigus have replaced them. When you think that each represents a building where hundreds were cramed in tight spaces, any sign of weakness meant death. It is a sobering reality. Auschwitz would be so much worse. The ovens at Sachsenhause are gone, and there was only 2, they were meant for disposal only. The gas chambe is gone also, it was just a small room, mostly for experimenting. The common method here was to be shot.

Anne Franks house in Amsterdam is also very sobering.


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