Texas School Board Creationist On the Hot Seat

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Creationist dentist Don McLeroy, appointed twice to the Texas State Board of Education by Governor Rick Perry, is on the hot seat this week, and he is blatantly lying about promoting creationism in Texas public schools.

AUSTIN – State Board of Education Chairman Don McLeroy vigorously denied Wednesday that he has tried to push his creationist beliefs into textbooks and curriculum standards for Texas schools.

Under sharp questioning from members of the Senate Nominations Committee, the College Station Republican said that although he holds creationist views – such as that the earth is only 6,000 years old – he has never acted to have creationism or “intelligent design” taught in science classes or textbooks.

“I don’t see any way that I am trying to impose my religious views on anyone,” he said.

However, two Democratic senators and several witnesses said the board chairman’s actions on proposed science curriculum standards this year indicate he is an opponent of generally accepted scientific theories such as evolution.

“Is it your mission on the board of education to take all students in the state of Texas down the path of your religious beliefs?” asked Sen. Eliot Shapleigh, D-El Paso, citing repeated efforts by McLeroy to water down teaching of evolution in science classes.

McLeroy responded that has never been his intent. “We did not put creationism into the [science] standards. We did not put intelligent design into the standards,” he said of the board’s adoption of new science requirements in March.

That’s a bald-faced lie. McLeroy has absolutely been promoting creationism and its younger, slightly more deceptive cousin “intelligent design” for a long, long time as head of the Texas BOE. Here are the LGF posts about McLeroy to prove it: LGF search: McLeroy.

But then…

Despite the criticism, the nominations committee was expected to recommend to the full Senate that it confirm McLeroy’s appointment as chairman of the education board by Gov. Rick Perry.

Arrrggghhh.

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292 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:15:17pm

The Texas State Senate is shooting itself in the foot if it reappoints this moron. He need to be fired, ASAP. Every time he opens his mouth in public, egg ends up on the GOP’s face.

2 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:16:39pm

Ideology over reason.
Where in the hell are all the good leaders anyways?

3 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:17:21pm

This guy makes my teeth hurt….

4 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:18:25pm

Apparently, he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.
Weasel and a liar.

5 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:19:32pm

This is how it should go down

Panel : “Dr McLeroy, How old is the Earth”?
D.M. “6000 years”
Panel: “You’re fired”

6 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:19:37pm

re: #2 Mithrax

Ideology over reason.
Where in the hell are all the good leaders anyways?

Hiding?

7 yesandno  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:19:54pm

Everyone is coming out of the woodwork.

Need to fumigate.

8 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:21:11pm

McLeroy lying for Jesus; Rick Perry padding his future vote total.

9 sffilk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:21:36pm

They’ll never learn. *sigh*

10 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:22:36pm

re: #5 Shug

This is how it should go down

Panel : “Dr McLeroy, How old is the Earth”?
D.M. “6000 years”
Panel: “You’re fired”

Agreed. The problem is he’d just evade. He’s “Lying for Jesus”, again. He reminds me of the left, trying to hold onto power and push his views, irrespective of truth or decency. In trying to fight a monster, he has become one. Let Don McLeroy’s fall into corruption serve as a cautionary tale to us all.

11 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:22:45pm

re: #5 Shug

This is how it should go down

Panel : “Dr McLeroy, How old is the Earth”?
D.M. “6000 years”
Panel: “Based on what scientific evidence?”
D.M. “Intelligent Design.”

Panel: “You’re fired”

FIFY

12 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:05pm

re: #5 Shug

This is how it should go down

Panel : “Dr McLeroy, How old is the Earth”?
D.M. “6000 years”
Panel: “You’re fired”

His right to believe whatever he wants is protected by the First Amendment but, he should not be allowed to force tax payers to propogate that belief. Nor should he be allowed to lie to the tax payers or governmental officials.

13 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:23:38pm
14 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:24:30pm

re: #13 Dad O’ Blondes

I’m going to miss you when you’re banned.

/not

15 Mithrax  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:24:42pm

re: #6 MandyManners

Hiding?

Don’t know if they’re hiding, or if there really isn’t any. I’m wondering if we’ve just fallen so far that we’re not raising leaders.

16 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:25:25pm

Popcorn time! First meltdown and/or flounce-off at…238.

17 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:25:30pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

The Texas State Senate is shooting itself in the foot if it reappoints this moron. He need to be fired, ASAP. Every time he opens his mouth in public, egg ends up on the GOP’s face.

Actually the SBOE members in Texas are elected. Each represents a district. The governer appoints McLeroy as the chairman but he has to be voted off the Board. He is up for re-election in 2011.

18 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:25:38pm

re: #12 MandyManners

His right to believe whatever he wants is protected by the First Amendment but, he should not be allowed to force tax payers to propogate that belief. Nor should he be allowed to lie to the tax payers or governmental officials.

As long as his beliefs don’t influence his policy, I agree in principle.

but he’s the charman of the board of education.

This would be like having a 9-11 truther in charge of the Army Corps of engineers

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:26:22pm

Comments whining about creationism threads will be deleted.

20 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:26:28pm

re: #16 doppelganglander

Popcorn time! First meltdown and/or flounce-off at…238 13.


damn. I blinked and missed it

21 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:05pm

re: #20 Shug

damn. I blinked and missed it

Nope, Charles only deleted the comment, not the account that posted it. We’re both wrong.

22 jcm  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:23pm

Hellfire and Damnation!
Why is my seat so hot?

23 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:39pm

This abuse of science is getting frustrating. On one hand we have the Left pushing bogus numbers on Global Warming AKA Climate Change and on the Right we have screaming teach the controversy with Creationism AKA Intelligent Design.

24 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:28:55pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Nope, Charles only deleted the comment, not the account that posted it. We’re both wrong.

Okay, we’re back on. Get your bets in early, people.

25 Euler  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:29:27pm
That’s a bold-faced lie.

Not only bold-faced, but bald-faced too, meaning brazen.

26 Syrah  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:29:49pm

re: #23 Idle Drifter

This abuse of science is getting frustrating. On one hand we have the Left pushing bogus numbers on Global Warming AKA Climate Change and on the Right we have screaming teach the controversy with Creationism AKA Intelligent Design.

Next stop, Babylon.

27 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:29:55pm

in case you want to see lunacy first hand….Don McLeroy

28 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:30:18pm

re: #25 Euler

Not only bold-faced, but bald-faced too, meaning brazen.

I thought you were talking about Don’s Buffed Dome

29 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #24 doppelganglander

Okay, we’re back on. Get your bets in early, people.

I’m betting on number #179 for first meltdown. Method of departure: Dramatic Parting Screed.

30 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:32:24pm

re: #24 doppelganglander

Okay, we’re back on. Get your bets in early, people.

I betting no departures on this thread…..everyone seems pretty quiet tonight.

31 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:32:31pm

WikiAnswers:

The phrase can either be used as bold-faced lie, as in someone with a bold enough face to lie (bold meaning daring) or someone bold enough to lie to your face; it can also be used as bald-faced lie, where the older meaning of bald (meaning uncovered or unconcealed) - the more correct usage with this term is bare-faced lie.

32 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:32:37pm

Congress shall pass no laws forbidding men from holding stupid beliefs.

33 funky chicken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:32:47pm

re: #8 jaunte

re: #8 jaunte

McLeroy lying for Jesus; Rick Perry padding his future vote total.

Perry probably believes that, and who knows…short term it may work out for him. After all, it took over 20 years of creationist nonsense to convince Kansans to elect a democrat governor.

34 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:33:32pm

re: #23 Idle Drifter

This abuse of science is getting frustrating. On one hand we have the Left pushing bogus numbers on Global Warming AKA Climate Change and on the Right we have screaming teach the controversy with Creationism AKA Intelligent Design.

The right is pushing a whole lot of nonsense about global warming too, by the way.

35 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:34:20pm

re: #12 MandyManners

His right to believe whatever he wants is protected by the First Amendment but, he should not be allowed to force tax payers to propogate that belief. Nor should he be allowed to lie to the tax payers or governmental officials.

Why can’t he and others like him understand that the very same amendment that allows him to hold his beliefs has a clause of equal weight that prevents the government from forcing others to believe the same thing. You cannot have the “freedom to” without the “freedom from”. Are their egos so warped that they cannot grasp this simple concept?

36 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:35:04pm

re: #33 funky chicken

I don’t know what Perry believes personally, but I think he’s putting McLeroy in the job because he thinks it will buy votes.

37 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:35:56pm

The shear fact that he is so stupid as to believe the Earth is only 6000 years old is enough for me to want him out of educating children.
That he is a liar to boot…. Broom the bastard.

38 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:06pm

re: #5 Shug

This is how it should go down

Panel : “Dr McLeroy, How old is the Earth”?
D.M. “6000 years”
Panel: “You’re fired”

Earth is 6,000 years old, the Holocaust is a myth, 9-11 was an inside job, there’s no proof that vaccinations help…..

39 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:09pm

re: #26 Syrah

Next stop, Babylon.

I’m getting off this crazy train.

YEAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhh….thump!

Stupid bridges.

40 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:33pm

re: #38 solomonpanting

Earth is 6,000 years old, the Holocaust is a myth, 9-11 was an inside job, there’s no proof that vaccinations help…..

I am entirely too sober for this much insanity.

41 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:36:55pm

re: #35 MandyManners

“Are their egos so warped that they cannot grasp this simple concept?”

Yes.

42 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:37:44pm
What Does Don McLeroy Really Want to Teach?
By TFN

Scientists are “atheists.” Parents who want to teach their children about evolution are “monsters.” Pastors who support sound science are “morons.”

Is that the sort of message Chairman Don McLeroy and his cohorts on the State Board of Education have in mind for Texas science classrooms if they succeed in their campaign to shoehorn “weaknesses” of evolution back into the science curriculum standards? That’s certainly the message of a new book McLeroy is now endorsing.

Dr. McLeroy – noting his position as board chair – recently wrote a glowing recommendation of Sowing Atheism: The National Academy of Sciences’ Sinister Scheme to Teach Our Children They’re Descended from Reptiles by Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr. (The new book is self-published.)
[Link: tfnblog.wordpress.com…]

43 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:23pm

Reptiles!

44 Dad O' Blondes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:38:35pm

re: #19 Charles

Comments whining about creationism threads will be deleted.

Sorry. A poor attempt at humor. My bad.

.

45 Syrah  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:06pm

re: #39 Idle Drifter

I’m getting off this crazy train.

YEAAAaaaaaaaaaaahhh….thump!

Stupid bridges.

Its not the fall that hurts. Its that sudden stop at the end.

;-)

46 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:38pm

re: #38 solomonpanting

Earth is 6,000 years old, the Holocaust is a myth, 9-11 was an inside job, there’s no proof that vaccinations help…..

Whoa. Why are you equating the first belief with the others, especially the second one?

47 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:39:58pm

Is the elected leadership of the State of Texas batshit crazy. This guy is a loon and they’re gonna approve him anyway? WTF?

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:41:45pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Because they are all observably false? Just guessin’.

49 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:41:48pm

re: #47 pingjockey

They’re courting both the batshit crazy loon vote, and the ‘too busy to be bothered finding out about it conservative’ vote.

50 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:16pm

re: #44 Dad O’ Blondes

Sorry. A poor attempt at humor. My bad.

.

I forgive you. Please do be careful. I’m sorry I was hostile, I had a tough day at work (and it was supposed to be my day off).

51 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:23pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Whoa. Why are you equating the first belief with the others, especially the second one?

Science vs. Beliefs

52 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #38 solomonpanting

Earth is 6,000 years old, the Holocaust is a myth, 9-11 was an inside job, there’s no proof that vaccinations help…..

See #32 above.
Is there no limit on the nonsense that first demands our respect and is then foist upon our children?

53 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:42:42pm

re: #47 pingjockey

Is the elected leadership of the State of Texas batshit crazy. This guy is a loon and they’re gonna approve him anyway? WTF?

Please note my #17 above…..members of the Texas SBOE are elected by the public from their districts. The governor then selects one to be the Chairman. The Chairman runs the meetings and does have agenda authority but has only one vote.

What is getting debated now is whether to strip the governor the authority to appoint officer positions on the board and return it to the legislature.

54 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:43:11pm

re: #34 Charles

The right is pushing a whole lot of nonsense about global warming too, by the way.

Sigh
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right…..


And both sides are pushing the nonsense about vaccines causing cancer and autism too.

55 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:43:20pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to miss you when you’re banned.

/not

I blinked and missed it.

56 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:43:41pm

re: #49 jaunte
Yep. Absolute madness!

57 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:12pm

re: #56 pingjockey

And political cynicism.

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #54 Idle Drifter

I got a vax shot once. Turned me into a newt, it did.

59 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:33pm

re: #53 Big Steve
That might be an improvement!

60 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:44:51pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth
But you got better.

61 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:07pm

re: #55 DEZes

I blinked and missed it.

He made a bad joke about the subject of the thread. Charles deleted the post but did not ban Dad O’Blondes. DOB has apologized for the joke and I forgave him.

62 Syrah  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:24pm

I’ve used a VAX computer once. It was a long time ago. Am I doomed?

63 Syrah  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:45:39pm

back later

64 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:46:10pm

re: #57 jaunte


And a partridge in a pear treeeee……

65 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:46:39pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

He made a bad joke about the subject of the thread. Charles deleted the post but did not ban Dad O’Blondes. DOB has apologized for the joke and I forgave him.

I saw he apologized, after my post.
Thanks.
I hope this day finds you well.

66 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:06pm

re: #34 Charles

What do you mean?

67 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:10pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

I got a vax shot once. Turned me into a newt, it did.

I thought witches turned people into newts. :)

68 BignJames  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:37pm

He could get a job on Pelosi’s staff….or DHS.

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:47:39pm

re: #60 pingjockey

Sort of. I had to spontaneously speciate into human form again. Let me tell you, that was both painful and expensive. I still have a bit of a green tint, though.

70 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:48:09pm

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

Camo!

71 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:48:42pm

re: #45 Syrah

Its not the fall that hurts. Its that sudden stop at the end.

;-)

That and pulling the rubble out of strange places.

72 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

I got a vax shot once. Turned me into a newt, it did.

A newt?

73 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:06pm

re: #43 jaunte

Oh, yesssss!

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:09pm

re: #67 Unakite

There you go, proof positive that vaccinations are a tool of the devil.

75 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:14pm

re: #65 DEZes

I saw he apologized, after my post.
Thanks.
I hope this day finds you well.

I had a bad cramp in my leg all day and I got no sales which means I’ll have to come in on my next day off as well. My day has been quite poor, the only saving grace being that all of the people I’ve dealt with today have been nice to me.

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:44pm

re: #72 Idle Drifter

A newt?

I got better.

/Sort of.

77 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:49:48pm

re: #67 Unakite

I thought witches turned people into newts. :)

Da witches, dey use da vaceeenses. to makes us lizardsssss.

78 solomonpanting  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:50:10pm

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

I still have a bit of a green tint, though.

Newt Greengrich?

79 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:50:17pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

I had a bad cramp in my leg all day and I got no sales which means I’ll have to come in on my next day off as well. My day has been quite poor, the only saving grace being that all of the people I’ve dealt with today have been nice to me.

Best of luck to ya.

80 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:50:39pm

Sunset on the clouds, and on distant Mt. San Antonio, 10,064 ft. The San Gabriel Mountains of California.

This one will be worth watching.

See the glory & never mind exactly how long ago the Creator put it together.


Good Night All

81 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:51:15pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

There you go, proof positive that vaccinations are a tool of the devil.

Always knew he was a prick.

82 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:51:32pm

re: #53 Big Steve

Please note my #17 above…..members of the Texas SBOE are elected by the public from their districts. The governor then selects one to be the Chairman. The Chairman runs the meetings and does have agenda authority but has only one vote.

What is getting debated now is whether to strip the governor the authority to appoint officer positions on the board and return it to the legislature.

Considering that the Senate is likely to confirm this clown and others like him, would it really make a difference?

83 DEZes  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:52:05pm

Well I am off, Have a great one all.

84 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:53:12pm

re: #83 DEZes
You too!

85 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:55:48pm

That’s rich. I believe we saw McLeroy push creationism and “intelligent design” before our very own eyes including text, live blogging, and videos of his obsessive attempts.

He also went as far as endorsing the crazed author Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr. and his hype-imaginary book, “Sowing Atheism.” In that respect he had the audacity to categorize the National Academy of Science as “co-conspirator.”

This dentist has not business as in the Texas school board nor is he qualified to comment on science. He should stick to what he was trained to do which is dentistry. I’m beginning to doubt he’s even capable of dentistry

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:56:07pm

re: #84 pingjockey

Don’t you just hate these people that have stuff to do on a friday night? Rubbing it in our faces like we’re some kind of nerds.
///

87 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:56:22pm

re: #81 Unakite

rim-shot?

88 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:56:50pm

re: #66 carefulnow

What do you mean?

I mean people like Sen. James Inhofe, a fundamental Dominionist who promotes so much deceptive crap at his anti-AGW website that it boggles the mind. And columnist George Will, who has blatantly misrepresented the work of climate change scientists.

The issue has been so politicized that it’s almost impossible to discern what’s true. But the more I learn, the more I’m leaning toward the scientists — and not the politicians, who are almost always in the pocket of one industrial lobby or another.

89 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:06pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth
I’m too pooped from work to do anything! The better half is in the tub with a bubble bath!

90 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:57:09pm

re: #81 Unakite

Always knew he was a prick.

Vaccine, you don’t have to put on that red light…

91 Euler  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #31 Charles

William Safire, always entertaining on matters idiomatic, on boldfaced, baldfaced, and barefaced lies.

92 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:04pm

re: #88 Charles

I mean people like Sen. James Inhofe, a fundamental Dominionist who promotes so much deceptive crap at his anti-AGW website that it boggles the mind. And columnist George Will, who has blatantly misrepresented the work of climate change scientists.

The issue has been so politicized that it’s almost impossible to discern what’s true. But the more I learn, the more I’m leaning toward the scientists, and not the politicians, who are almost always in the pocket of one industrial lobby or another.

What about those scientists such as Hansen who are in the pockets of Soros? Are there scientists who are in the pockets of the opposition?

93 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:58:54pm

re: #85 Gus 802

That’s rich. I believe we saw McLeroy push creationism and “intelligent design” before our very own eyes including text, live blogging, and videos of his obsessive attempts.

He also went as far as endorsing the crazed author Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr. and his hype-imaginary book, “Sowing Atheism.” In that respect he had the audacity to categorize the National Academy of Science as “co-conspirator.”

This dentist has not business as in the Texas school board nor is he qualified to comment on science. He should stick to what he was trained to do which is dentistry. I’m beginning to doubt he’s even capable of dentistry

He probably is a good dentist. The problem is many people who are actually very good at one thing seem to think they are experts at everything.

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 6:59:59pm

re: #85 Gus 802

How about that book “Sewing Atheism”? There was that one character who, every time she pricked her thumb or ruined a stitch, would mutter “There is no god, damnit”.

95 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:00:09pm

re: #93 Unakite

He probably is a good dentist. The problem is many people who are actually very good at one thing seem to think they are experts at everything.

Maybe. I was thinking he might be “out of practice” given his recent intelligent-design crusade.

96 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:01:38pm

re: #88 Charles
The only problem with that is which scientists have been or are politicized and which are just putting out the facts. It totally sucks trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff in this.

97 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:03:17pm

OT, but Good News:

Taliban Flak Wagons Trashed

98 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:03:17pm

re: #89 pingjockey

The better half is in the tub with a bubble bath!

Sounds like you have good reason to be home on a friday night, then. I expect you to cease commenting any minute now.

Me, I am just too pooped from lack of sleep, and too broke to do anything other than drink cheap beer at home. Yay.

99 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:04:42pm

re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth
Nahh. She had a tough day at work too. Plus the kids are out and about doncha know. :(

100 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:04:46pm

Global Warming is caused by:

A. Carbon Dioxide

B. Sun Spots

C. Cow Farts

D. Ron Paul

////Sorry, the idea just came to me.

101 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:05:12pm

re: #100 Idle Drifter
LUAP NOR!

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:05:31pm

Right wing extremists need their fiber……
Constipated Oklahoma City bomber in high-fiber prison diet bid

Terry Nichols, the domestic terrorist who teamed up with Timothy McVeigh to murder 168 people, 19 of them children, in the Oklahoma City bombing, is unhappy with his prison diet, which has left him struggling with “chronic constipation, bleeding, hemorrhoids” due to a lack of insoluble fiber.
….
To support his legal claim, Nichols has rounded up declarations from six fellow Florence inmates, each of whom is supposedly beset with assorted digestive issues. Eric Rudolph, whose bombs killed victims at abortion clinics and the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, reports that the “refined and highly processed” food served to killers like him causes “constipation, gas, and stomach cramps.” Like Nichols, Rudolph believes “our bodies” are “sacred and should be treated as such.”

103 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:41pm

re: #92 MandyManners

I thought that Soros and Hansen had a falling out over coal…?

104 swamprat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:56pm

re: #100 Idle Drifter

Global Warming is caused by:

A. Carbon Dioxide

B. Sun Spots

C. Cow Farts

D. Ron Paul

////Sorry, the idea just came to me.

PURE GENIUS!

105 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:56pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout
Too bad they didn’t think of bodies being sacred before they blew people up. By ‘em some ex-lax and tell ‘em to shut the fuck up.

106 Red Pencil  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:06:59pm

re: #85 Gus 802


This dentist has not business as in the Texas school board nor is he qualified to comment on science. He should stick to what he was trained to do which is dentistry. I’m beginning to doubt he’s even capable of dentistry

As a dentist, I do not see how he can possibly deny evolution.

I mean, creating tooth decay? what merciful God would create Adam and Eve with THAT?

107 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:07:13pm

If not for reading this blog, I would still be walking around in a fog believing everything in the Inhoffe report on climate change.

I still believe that man has very little if anything to do with the temperature of the Earth, but I don’t like being lied to by politicians.
I believed that report, which is largely fabricated and felt like a fool when I was given some information which pointed this out.

Reading LGF has changed the way I see things.
I read, then do my homework.
And there is plenty of help here if people will only listen and try to learn.
This is a place where the only agenda is the truth, and I am grateful for it

All I want the truth.
Why is that so hard to get these days? We are bombarded with bullshit from both sides. Everybody has an agenda, but all too infrequently their agenda doesn’t include the truth.

so thanks Charles (and so many lizards too)

OK, sappy rant mode off

108 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:08:31pm

re: #106 Red Pencil

As a dentist, I do not see how he can possibly deny evolution.

I mean, creating tooth decay? what merciful God would create Adam and Eve with THAT?

I know. I made a joke about that a couple of weeks ago. One of my crowns was acting up and it hurt like crazy!

109 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:11pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Maybe. I was thinking he might be “out of practice” given his recent intelligent-design crusade.

My bad. I see what you’re saying now. :)

110 funky chicken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:09:26pm

re: #106 Red Pencil

I’d be a little nervous about his commitment to sterilization of equipment too. I mean, if somebody gets hepatitis it’s just God’s will, right?

111 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:10:39pm

re: #105 pingjockey

Agreed. Idiots with nothing better to do than file lawsuits.

112 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #91 Euler

William Safire, always entertaining on matters idiomatic, on boldfaced, baldfaced, and barefaced lies.

I love reading Safire, and Charles was quoting Shakespeare!

113 919nc  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:10:55pm

How can the teachers’ unions (usually left leaning) let this guy go unchecked in Austin? They would be all over him in NY. Is TX really that different? They get the same TV shows there. NC is a very devout state, relatively speaking, and this guy would get tarred and feathered for this nonsense here.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #96 pingjockey

Climate change happens, this is a fact. There was no Ice Age, then there was an Ice Age, and then there wasn’t again.

The extent to which it is detrimental to the planet, and to which we humans affect it, and how far we should go or what measures we should take to prevent it (or even if anything we do can prevent it) is where all the stupid, emotional, political BS comes into play.

There is a lot of bogus chaff out there coming from both sides, and so far I have seen very little wheat.

115 funky chicken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:23pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I’m sorry, but that has to be from The Onion.

116 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:11:35pm

re: #103 carefulnow

I thought that Soros and Hansen had a falling out over coal…?

Really? Do tell.

117 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:25pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremists need their fiber……
Constipated Oklahoma City bomber in high-fiber prison diet bid

How about a TNT enema?

118 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:48pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth
Yep. We are in an inter-glacial period. Maybe it is supposed to warm up?
Either way, there is so much shit out there it isn’t funny.

119 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:12:48pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremists need their fiber……
Constipated Oklahoma City bomber in high-fiber prison diet bid

Well, they oughta turn ‘em out into the pasture to graze, then. No biggie.

120 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:17pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Something about how Soros owns coal and Hansen is against coal…Am I wrong?

121 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:13:33pm

Fun with Tesla coils….
Inventor gives Rodin’s ‘The Thinker’ a shocking new twist… by shooting 500,000 volts of electricity down his body

You guys can always tell when I make a run through Digg and Fark.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:14:05pm

re: #99 pingjockey

Bummer for you both, I guess. Hope y’all feel better, and maybe even get some “quite time”.

123 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:14:33pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Fun with Tesla coils….
Inventor gives Rodin’s ‘The Thinker’ a shocking new twist… by shooting 500,000 volts of electricity down his body

You guys can always tell when I make a run through Digg and Fark.


First pic looks like any Reuters or AP photo of “The One”

124 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:15:13pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh yeah. Hey, 3 boys, never a dull moment!

125 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:15:44pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout
I kinda like the ad for Ulrickas’ boob job.

126 swamprat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:15:51pm

re: #88 Charles

You realize, of course, that if you “go global warming”, the lefts’ heads will fall off and roll about like a mishap in a bowling ball factory. To say nothing of the TOTALLY different sorts of trolls we will acquire.

Not a global warming believer.
Might be fun.

127 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:05pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Prisoners working on the farm units never seem to have that problem. He just needs to get out more.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:31pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Given his current location, I am a bit skeptical that those symptoms are strictly the result of a low-fiber diet.

129 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:42pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Climate change happens, this is a fact. There was no Ice Age, then there was an Ice Age, and then there wasn’t again.

The extent to which it is detrimental to the planet, and to which we humans affect it, and how far we should go or what measures we should take to prevent it (or even if anything we do can prevent it) is where all the stupid, emotional, political BS comes into play.

There is a lot of bogus chaff out there coming from both sides, and so far I have seen very little wheat.

I don’t give AGW much thought. 20 years ago would have been a different story. Now I would tend to trust the science more than the policy which may result from the science. Cap and trade schemes being one policy I do not trust. We have to be careful to separate the science from policy and not lump all of the science as politicized. That would set a dangerous precedent.

130 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:53pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Well said.

131 hopperandadropper  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:16:53pm

As I have said before, this is why Kay Bailey Hutchison is likely to be the next Governor of Texas. Perry has actually been pretty good on economic issues and general policy issues, but he’s way in bed with the fundamentalist wing.

132 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:17:03pm

Let Mr Nicholls go and live with the general polulation.

I think he’ll forget about his problems with constipation

133 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:01pm

re: #88 Charles

I mean people like Sen. James Inhofe, a fundamental Dominionist who promotes so much deceptive crap at his anti-AGW website that it boggles the mind. And columnist George Will, who has blatantly misrepresented the work of climate change scientists.

The issue has been so politicized that it’s almost impossible to discern what’s true. But the more I learn, the more I’m leaning toward the scientists — and not the politicians, who are almost always in the pocket of one industrial lobby or another.

I think the fact that Gore got involved, and made some over the top comments poisoned the well for the right. The political baggage he brought to the issue made the right skeptical to the point that it’ll be hard to get through the clutter.

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:03pm

re: #106 Red Pencil

As a dentist, I do not see how he can possibly deny evolution.

I mean, creating tooth decay? what merciful God would create Adam and Eve with THAT?

He didn’t make ‘em like that, it was The Fall what did it.
/or maybe it was The Spring

135 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:18:03pm
“I don’t see any way that I am trying to impose my religious views on anyone,” he said.

Un-frickin-believable! Yeah- he’s not pushing his religion off on anyone. He just wants to undermine globally accepted science and replace it with pseudo-science that emanates from religious fundamentalists.

I wish I could be there to see Jesus give Don the 411. Oh well.

136 livefreeor die  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:37pm

re: #5 Shug

This is how it should go down

Panel : “Dr McLeroy, How old is the Earth”?
D.M. “6000 years”
Panel: “You’re fired”

I can’t fathom how anyone living in this country and time could believe the Earth is only 6000 years old. It requires an active effort to be stupid to buy that.

137 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:19:51pm

re: #133 avanti

I think the fact that Gore got involved, and made some over the top comments poisoned the well for the right. The political baggage he brought to the issue made the right skeptical to the point that it’ll be hard to get through the clutter.

correct.

But you shouldn’t fight lies with even bigger lies.

Debunk Gore with better science. If you don’t have it, get it.
If you can’t get it, consider that his science is actually correct even if he is a bullshit artist.

138 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:20:19pm

re: #120 carefulnow

Something about how Soros owns coal and Hansen is against coal…Am I wrong?

I wouldn’t be surprised if Soros has a stake in coal. However, I’m still confused by what Biden useta’ say about no clean coal plants will be allowed in America and what FCBBHO useta’ say about it being possible to have them. And, then, there is an organization promoting Biden’s position now. (I once had a fair grasp on this issue but, I had to let it go. There are only so many minutes in the day.)

139 swamprat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:20:58pm

Personally, I think we should teach the controversy.


about global warming
140 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:29pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

Given his current location, I am a bit skeptical that those symptoms are strictly the result of a low-fiber diet.

IIRC, the Florence, CO, prison isolates prisoners 23 hrs./day.

141 swamprat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:22:43pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Cheap energy is bad.

The Democrats might as well make this a plank in the party platform.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:11pm

re: #125 pingjockey

I kinda like the ad for Ulrickas’ boob job.

SCIENCE!

143 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:12pm

re: #137 Shug

correct.

But you shouldn’t fight lies with even bigger lies.

Debunk Gore with better science. If you don’t have it, get it.
If you can’t get it, consider that his science is actually correct even if he is a bullshit artist.

I agree, but try an defend the science and the politics will be thrown in your face. If you want to set a down ding record, take the AGW side of the discussion.

144 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:14pm

re: #139 swamprat

Personally, I think we should teach the controversy.

I can see that.

145 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:32pm

re: #136 livefreeor die

I can’t fathom how anyone living in this country and time could believe the Earth is only 6000 years old. It requires an active effort to be stupid to buy that.


A young earth creationist worked for me a few years ago (and was probably the single most arrogant and unpleasant person I’ve ever known).
He was pretty talented, but difficult to work with.
I’ve also heard the “I didn’t come from a monkey” line from another of my current employees.

146 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:48pm

re: #100 Idle Drifter

/You forgot this guy.

He is the cause, and now is blaming Gorebal warming on everything else…and he was the recipient of an Nobel instead of Irena Sendler.

IMHO, he is more dangerous than The Big Lie he insists on perpetrating for financial gain and continued celebrity..

147 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:23:58pm

Gotta’ go beat The Kid. bbiab

148 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:11pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Cap and trade schemes are money-making schemes and not much more.

There is a new carbon trading plan here in California that will exact fees for activities that would actually reduce pollutants going into the air. I’m aware of a proposal to recover methane gas from a landfill, which is now being flared. There’s a company willing to make a very large capital investment to convert the methane to electricity, but the regulators want a ridiculous amount of money because *caveman voice* methane is bad/global warming/ug.

149 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:17pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Fun with Tesla coils….
Inventor gives Rodin’s ‘The Thinker’ a shocking new twist… by shooting 500,000 volts of electricity down his body

You guys can always tell when I make a run through Digg and Fark.

I’m betting he was covered with aluminum foil from head to toe. (Faraday cage)

150 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:23pm

re: #147 MandyManners

Gotta’ go beat The Kid. bbiab

give him one for Uncle Shug

151 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:31pm

re: #126 swamprat

You realize, of course, that if you “go global warming”, the lefts’ heads will fall off and roll about like a mishap in a bowling ball factory. To say nothing of the TOTALLY different sorts of trolls we will acquire.

Not a global warming believer.
Might be fun.

I’m a global warming (and cooling and warming and cooling) believer. Just not the man made (or anthropogenic, to make it sound like science). One thing that I have never seen mentioned is that here in eastern Virginia, ancient seas extended as far inland as Richmond (~100 miles west of the current Atlantic Ocean). And they’re worried about a sea level rise of a few inches?

152 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:24:55pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth
Damn straight!

153 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:25:01pm

It really boggles the mind that a dentist, of all people, could believe in Intelligent Design. What’s intelligent about the design of our teeth, after all? They cause pain when they first grow in. They are subject to cavities and malocclusion. We have wisdom teeth crop up in a jawbone that has no room for them. They are made of a brittle material that’s prone to chipping when you use them to open a bottle cap or strip insulation off electrical wires. An Intelligent Designer could have foreseen all those problems, and given us continuous stainless steel chompers with no gaps for food debris to get trapped in.

But, no. What do we get? Some second-hand ape teeth that never fit right, and fall out before we are through with them. Thanks a lot, Darwin.

154 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:26:49pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Biden will get over it. Just the economics of coal and the politics of oil will persuade him. As if anyone listens to Biden, anyway.

155 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:04pm

re: #148 carefulnow

Cap and trade schemes are money-making schemes and not much more.

There is a new carbon trading plan here in California that will exact fees for activities that would actually reduce pollutants going into the air. I’m aware of a proposal to recover methane gas from a landfill, which is now being flared. There’s a company willing to make a very large capital investment to convert the methane to electricity, but the regulators want a ridiculous amount of money because *caveman voice* methane is bad/global warming/ug.

I saw a methane-landfill recovery facility video last year and it seemed pretty interesting. Ironically sometimes certain factions of environmental regulatory groups work against progress in fields that would benefit the environment in the long run. This is also true with some opposing wind farm applications.

156 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:13pm

re: #153 Alberta Oil Peon
Maybe we’re the rough draft and somewhere else there’s a better version and so on and so on…..Mwahahaha.

157 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:41pm

OT, but I finally got my Macbook Pro fixed (it wouldn’t handle DVDs, and also it wouldn’t wake up from sleep about 20% of the time)
Got it back yesterday. Had it sleep, moved it to the living room; it worked fine.
Tried it tonight, wouldn’t wake up. Powered it off, and it wouldn’t come up right. I tried the reset sequences, no luck.
Now it is completely dead. They better next day a new motherboard for the thing and put it in immediately; they’ve had 3 of their 3-5 day repair.
Using a PC running Vista now.

158 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:28:54pm

re: #115 funky chicken

Killgore’s is real…here is something from the Onion. ;)

159 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:29:04pm

re: #125 pingjockey

Heh, I noticed that too.

160 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:29:06pm

re: #143 avanti

I agree, but try an defend the science and the politics will be thrown in your face. If you want to set a down ding record, take the AGW side of the discussion.

I’ll take whatever side that I think is correct based on their evidence.

I bought a flight on British airways the other day from Rome to Heathrow, and I had the option of spending about 5 pounds for carbon credit offset.


There is a lot of money being made off this debate

161 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #145 jaunte

A young earth creationist worked for me a few years ago (and was probably the single most arrogant and unpleasant person I’ve ever known).
He was pretty talented, but difficult to work with.
I’ve also heard the “I didn’t come from a monkey” line from another of my current employees.

What’s with the animal bigotry? I really don’t get it. So were related to apes. Get over it.

162 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:04pm

Obama’s Radicalism Is Killing the Dow

Mr. Obama’s $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents — from George Washington to George W. Bush — combined. It reduces defense spending to a level not sustained since the dangerous days before World War II, while increasing nondefense spending (relative to GDP) to the highest level in U.S. history. And it would raise taxes to historically high levels (again, relative to GDP). And all of this before addressing the impending explosion in Social Security and Medicare costs.

Bold action like this, in the furtherance of grinding America into the ground, deserves it’s own national holiday, don’t you think?

Happy Debt Day: Government to ‘Run Out’ of Cash Sunday, Earliest Ever

Debt Day comes early this year. Unfortunately, it’s nothing to celebrate.

The symbolic “holiday,” which falls on Sunday, marks the point in the fiscal year when government spending exceeds revenue.

In other words, the government will stop making money and start borrowing on Sunday.

And it’s coming earlier than ever, according to House Minority Leader John Boehner, who’s pointing to Debt Day as yet another symptom of a government he says is spending too much, borrowing too much and taxing too much. Last year’s Debt Day fell more than three months later, on Aug. 5.

“All the revenue for this fiscal year will be spent as of Sunday,” Boehner, R-Ohio, said. With the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, he said, “everything that happens after Sunday through … the balance of this fiscal year is going to have to be borrowed from our kids and grandkids.”

/money doesn’t grow on trees

163 funky chicken  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:15pm

Well, I’m off to watch TV and check my stock of Tamiflu.

good night, lizards!

164 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:31:34pm

re: #160 Shug
Oh yeah. Carbon dispensations,, etc….Greed looms large in this debate, plus shaping society.

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:06pm

re: #140 MandyManners

IIRC, the Florence, CO, prison isolates prisoners 23 hrs./day.

I did not know that. It would seem that Jaunte is right, then, to point to lack of exercise as the culprit. Simple activities that invoke muscle movement (like a daily walk) help to boost the effectiveness of the digestive, respiratory, and circulatory systems.

166 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:26pm

re: #162 Killian Bundy

Wow.

Can you imagine doing that in your personal life?

Charging all of your bills, mortgage, etc for the rest of the year on your credit card.

It’s insane

167 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:33pm

re: #155 Gus 802

I think part of the reason they get opposed because of the notion that somehow they don’t go far enough to protect the environment. There’s little understanding that things have to make sense economically or they’re not going to happen at all. There’s absolutely no sense in asking for a fee to reduce global warming to build something that will reduce global warming.

168 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:37pm

re: #160 Shug

I’ll take whatever side that I think is correct based on their evidence.

I bought a flight on British airways the other day from Rome to Heathrow, and I had the option of spending about 5 pounds for carbon credit offset.

There is a lot of money being made off this debate

But the 5 pounds will go to a “good” cause.

//

169 windhorse  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:37pm

well….. I DID evolve from a monkey…. and any number of things….and I DID need to clip my finger nails today……gee, why are they there…. and, I am so happy that I did…. and wonder why didn’t everyone else… (if you catch my drift….)

170 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:32:53pm

re: #146 NY Nana

/You forgot this guy.

He is the cause, and now is blaming Gorebal warming on everything else…and he was the recipient of an Nobel instead of Irena Sendler.

IMHO, he is more dangerous than The Big Lie he insists on perpetrating for financial gain and continued celebrity..

Irena Sendler is now enjoying greater rewards in the next life, God rest her soul. It’s sad how the Nobel Prize has become a political good cookie.

171 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:02pm

re: #139 swamprat

Personally, I think we should teach the controversy.

Yes, but in this case it would be using science to challenge an ideology rather than using an ideology to challenge science.

172 alegrias  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:03pm

OT
Wow-Speaker of the House Pelosi is LYING,
says ex-Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich!

As Speaker of the House, Ms. Pelosi would have special access to the information she is now saying she didn’t have. (About the Enhanced Interrogatory Techniques used on murdering Al Qaedans)

Speakers of the House are one of 8 top people who get this information, says Newt Gingrich, who was Speaker when Republicans won the House back in 1994.

(Newt Gingrich spoke with Greta Van Susteren from about 10:15 EST on Fox News)

173 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:12pm

re: #151 Unakite

Only in the Maldives and Nauru…

174 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:12pm

re: #160 Shug

I’ll take whatever side that I think is correct based on their evidence.

I bought a flight on British airways the other day from Rome to Heathrow, and I had the option of spending about 5 pounds for carbon credit offset.

There is a lot of money being made off this debate

I like the little green things we can do. The casino even had a green week to show off all the recycling and energy saving stuff they were doing. They found out they could save a few 100K a year, and reduce their carbon foot print, nothing wrong with that.

175 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:33:27pm

re: #160 Shug

HAHAHAHA! Oh my, that’s just priceless!

176 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:01pm

re: #168 Gus 802

But the 5 pounds will go to a “good” cause.

//


Yes, I will buy an in-flight cocktail with it

177 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:34:17pm

re: #125 pingjockey

I kinda like the ad for Ulrickas’ boob job.

But they didn’t reveal the results. :(

178 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:35:20pm

re: #167 carefulnow

I think part of the reason they get opposed because of the notion that somehow they don’t go far enough to protect the environment. There’s little understanding that things have to make sense economically or they’re not going to happen at all. There’s absolutely no sense in asking for a fee to reduce global warming to build something that will reduce global warming.

Yes. One of the other problems is having some of these unproven methods forced into the market. Their schedules are too short and too optimistic.

179 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:35:40pm

re: #177 Unakite
A little tittillation is okay!

180 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:10pm

re: #174 avanti

I like the little green things we can do. The casino even had a green week to show off all the recycling and energy saving stuff they were doing. They found out they could save a few 100K a year, and reduce their carbon foot print, nothing wrong with that.


Nope.
being a skeptic of the goracle doesn’t mean you want a polluted planet.
I think one thing everyone should agree upon is that doing everything possible to have a clean planet is in our best interests.

181 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:52pm

within reason of course

182 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:36:58pm

re: #155 Gus 802

I am a bit of a sceptic re wind farms, especially after reading this.***

***May fill slowly.

183 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:00pm

re: #166 Shug

Wow.

Can you imagine doing that in your personal life?

Charging all of your bills, mortgage, etc for the rest of the year on your credit card.

It’s insane

And that’s still the Bush budget 2009 fiscal year.

/Obama’s 2010 budget still hasn’t even been passed yet, Debt Day next year might hit in January

184 windhorse  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:19pm

…..and the tides are ebbing….. (generally around here)

185 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:20pm

Five bucks on #390

186 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:37:50pm

re: #176 Shug

Yes, I will buy an in-flight cocktail with it

Good choice. And you know. Those 5 pounds equal energy. They didn’t come from “thin air” as politicians tend to think money is made. It’s not a large amount but in order for you to pay those 5 pounds it required you to work which required electricity, water, heating, cooling, etc. Those types of fees probably cancel themselves out after you consider that.

187 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:38:08pm

re: #174 avanti

Nothing wrong with businesses and individuals choosing to do so- it’s when the government starts dictating more and more of what is and isn’t acceptable that really grinds my gears.

188 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:38:09pm

re: #162 Killian Bundy

Obama’s Radicalism Is Killing the Dow

/money doesn’t grow on trees

But the DOW just set a record 20 plus point gain in the last few weeks since the article you linked to was written, and many are making mad money buying cheap stocks.

189 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:38:36pm

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Not tonight. Not enough uproar in the air!

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:39:02pm

re: #146 NY Nana

In his defense (ugh), it’s not his fault he was awarded the Nobel instead of someone 2,500 times more deserving. It is the Nobel Committee that is to blame. May they all live the rest of their days in shame.

191 carefulnow  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:01pm

re: #178 Gus 802

With regard to methane gas recovery plants, that technology is more than 25 years old.

I guess that wasn’t what you were talking about and we’re off-topic, anyway.

Cheers to you! G’nite!

192 Idle Drifter  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:07pm

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Five bucks on #390

What’s the betting for?

193 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:23pm

re: #188 avanti


0bama will start paying attention to the ‘day-to-day gyrations of the market’ once he knows he can make himself look good.

194 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:23pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth
They have no shame. More’s the pity.

195 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:40:32pm

re: #191 carefulnow

With regard to methane gas recovery plants, that technology is more than 25 years old.

I guess that wasn’t what you were talking about and we’re off-topic, anyway.

Cheers to you! G’nite!

Later!

196 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:26pm

re: #189 pingjockey

Not tonight. Not enough uproar in the air!

uproarroarroarroarroar

*looking around the room*
How’s that? … Better?

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:32pm

re: #162 Killian Bundy

The Wall Street Journal is running a lot of really strange Op-eds lately. I’m not sure if they’re to be taken seriously. Very reputable paper but I’m not sure of anything anymore.

198 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:40pm

Ken Miller is speaking at Cambridge:

“Professor Miller will argue that the popularity of this movement, which is pitted against Darwinian evolution, points to a profound failure on the part of the scientific community to articulate its own message effectively,” said Katie Turnbull, Communications Officer at the Faraday Institute. “He believes that analysing the appeal of this concept is central to developing an understanding of why evolution is still resisted a century and a half after the publication of On the Origin of Species.”

I agree with Dr Miller.

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:41:44pm

re: #192 Idle Drifter

What’s the betting for?

Meltdown

200 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:32pm

re: #196 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Pretty good! We haven’t had any creationist/YECers show up, yet.

201 windhorse  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:42:48pm

wow… how totally humorous (Al - you watching, my friend) everything I can find on Al Gore…. makes him look like a little piggy groveling for feed…

202 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:05pm

re: #147 MandyManners

Gotta’ go beat The Kid. bbiab

Have fun (I know I do)!re: #166 Shug

Wow.

Can you imagine doing that in your personal life?

Charging all of your bills, mortgage, etc for the rest of the year on your credit card.

It’s insane

What? Isn’t that what credit cards are for?
///

203 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:15pm
204 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:36pm

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can’t beleive we’re still getting neo-Nazi meltdowns. We even had a Ron Paul meltdown the other day. My favorite was when somebody melted down on a thread debunking dowsing.

205 jaunte  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:43:55pm

re: #182 NY Nana

I am a bit of a sceptic re wind farms, especially after reading this.***

***May fill slowly.

I still can’t imagine that we have enough sites to cover with windmills to supply a significant proportion of the country’s energy needs. Even if the site in question is mostly windy, the wind doesn’t blow all the time, and the intermittent nature of the power supply would be a problem, compared with other options.

206 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:44:22pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout
That was a dowzy!

207 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

The Wall Street Journal is running a lot of really strange Op-eds lately.

Such as?

208 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:44:58pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

You’re right about that.
Lo those many years ago I worked in a pretty big independent bookstore. They had a “Nobel Prize for Literature, Peace, etc.” section and the entire case (which never seemed to shed a book) was full of Leftist rants and half-formed indigenous reconstructions. It was the joke of the store.

209 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:10pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I can’t beleive we’re still getting neo-Nazi meltdowns. We even had a Ron Paul meltdown the other day. My favorite was when somebody melted down on a thread debunking dowsing.

We take our forked sticks pretty seriously around these parts, buckaroo.

/

210 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:14pm
211 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:21pm

re: #170 Idle Drifter

Irena Sendler is now enjoying greater rewards in the next life, God rest her soul. It’s sad how the Nobel Prize has become a political good cookie.

She is someone who tragically was overlooked for about 50 years….and I will never forget her. She embodies everything good in a person, and I wish she could have lived to 120. I watched the Hallmark special this week, and it was breathtaking.

For so many years the Nobel has been politicized in favor of the left. Albore no more deserved it than the abominable Jimmy Carter, the Jew hater.’Peace prize’? In carter’s case, it was Jews in pieces that he was lauded for, as he spit on Israel and still does.

212 windhorse  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:23pm

re: #203 taxfreekiller

my parents….. Mom, 88-years old…. Dad, 91 years….. wonder… (just North of Brownsville)

213 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:45:44pm

re: #188 avanti

But the DOW just set a record 20 plus point gain in the last few weeks since the article you linked to was written, and many are making mad money buying cheap stocks.

You mean 20 percent and I’m all over it. Did you even read the piece?

/the Obama spending tsunami is still quite a ways out to sea yet, but the markets can see it coming and they’re not liking it

214 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:18pm
215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:35pm

re: #198 Sharmuta

a profound failure on the part of the scientific community to articulate its own message effectively

I don’t think so. I think responsibility is solely in the laps of the politicized “religionists” who are pushing their idiotic religion-in-science-classes agenda.

Yes, maybe the scientific community could be doing a better job. That doesn’t set aside the former.

216 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:37pm

re: #182 NY Nana

I am a bit of a sceptic re wind farms, especially after reading this.***

***May fill slowly.

Odd, never heard of that before. Would have been better to have a complete study done before the installation of the wind farms to set a starting point. Right now it just looks like an informal questionnaire.

217 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:46:46pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

There was another a few weeks ago about how Obama had a secret plan to nationalize the banks by refusing to let them payback TRAP money. There have been a few pretty questionable WSJ op-eds over the past month or so. I usually don’t bother with them much anymore.

218 Lincolntf  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:09pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Of course they can’t be taken seriously, they disagree with you. They must be marginalized, ridiculed and dismissed. Did you miss that day in Liberal school?

219 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:15pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I can’t beleive we’re still getting neo-Nazi meltdowns. We even had a Ron Paul meltdown the other day. My favorite was when somebody melted down on a thread debunking dowsing.

I think there is some sort of “phone tree” or “e-mail tree” these folks are using - as one is banned, he/she contacts the next person on the list, so there’s always somebody available for the melt-down. Some of those folks seem to have been registered awhile, but just show up suddenly after never posting anything that anybody can remember.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:24pm

re: #158 NY Nana

I like the exit line the best:

“A new study is finding that the meth epidemic is hitting worthless Americans hardest”.

221 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:46pm

OT: If you have a kid in college and want them to join a political org, but also don’t want them to be in a nutball org there are usually only a couple of choices, here’s one I recommend:

222 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:48pm

re: #211 NY Nana

She is someone who tragically was overlooked for about 50 years….and I will never forget her. She embodies everything good in a person, and I wish she could have lived to 120. I watched the Hallmark special this week, and it was breathtaking.

For so many years the Nobel has been politicized in favor of the left. Albore no more deserved it than the abominable Jimmy Carter, the Jew hater.’Peace prize’? In carter’s case, it was Jews in pieces that he was lauded for, as he spit on Israel and still does.

LGF search: Sendler.

223 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:50pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

payback TRAP money


Heh, TARP….
/I stink

224 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:47:51pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

There was another a few weeks ago about how Obama had a secret plan to nationalize the banks by refusing to let them payback TRAP money. There have been a few pretty questionable WSJ op-eds over the past month or so. I usually don’t bother with them much anymore.

Heh, Freudian typo.

/

225 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:11pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

LOL

226 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:16pm

re: #182 NY Nana

I am a bit of a sceptic re wind farms, especially after reading this.***

***May fill slowly.

My younger neighbors and their cars give me palpitations and headaches. /

227 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:18pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

The Wall Street Journal is running a lot of really strange Op-eds lately. I’m not sure if they’re to be taken seriously. Very reputable paper but I’m not sure of anything anymore.

/stick to Stormfront then

228 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:21pm

re: #200 pingjockey

Pretty good! We haven’t had any creationist/YECers show up, yet.

I guess I could use the sup/sub thingies to create an upwards/outwards arching YECCCCCCCH! … with a SPLAT at the end.

229 Shug  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:30pm

The Old TARP TRAP, eh?

/ Maxwell Smart

230 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:40pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Heh, TARP….
/I stink

I thought you used TRAP on purpose.

231 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:48:47pm

re: #179 pingjockey

A little tittillation is okay!

A lot of tittillation is even better!:)

232 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:02pm

re: #209 OldLineTexan

We take our forked sticks pretty seriously around these parts, buckaroo.

/

Ouch. Sounds painful.

233 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:13pm

re: #230 reine.de.tout

I’m sure I can’t be the first one to come up with that one.

234 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:16pm

re: #231 Unakite
Yeppers!

235 OldLineTexan  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:25pm

re: #219 reine.de.tout

tag-team suicide posting

/sounds like a Japanese game show

236 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:52pm

re: #228 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Ha! That’d work too.

237 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:58pm

re: #215 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don’t think so. I think responsibility is solely in the laps of the politicized “religionists” who are pushing their idiotic religion-in-science-classes agenda.

Yes, maybe the scientific community could be doing a better job. That doesn’t set aside the former.

I don’t think Dr Miller is being overly critical- I think he’s being pragmatic. The last thing science should do is underestimate the emotional appeal of creationism.

238 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:49:59pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I can’t beleive we’re still getting neo-Nazi meltdowns. We even had a Ron Paul meltdown the other day. My favorite was when somebody melted down on a thread debunking dowsing.

Dowsing?!
Did they fling themselves upon their forked stick, in the classic tradition?

239 Gus  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:12pm

re: #235 OldLineTexan

tag-team suicide posting

/sounds like a Japanese game show

Is that after the Cat Weight Lifting Aspecial?

240 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:30pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

I thought “TRAP” worked better, actually.

241 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:31pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

how Obama had a secret plan to nationalize the banks by refusing to let them payback TRAP money

And, in fact, the Obama Administration has refused to let banks pay back TRAP money. (I like the typo, so I’m keeping it.)

242 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:33pm

Oh, wow! I’m at the top of the comments!

*giggle*

Thank you!

243 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:36pm

re: #213 Killian Bundy

You mean 20 percent and I’m all over it. Did you even read the piece?

/the Obama spending tsunami is still quite a ways out to sea yet, but the markets can see it coming and they’re not liking it

Sorry, 20 plus percent, not points.

244 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:50:46pm

re: #235 OldLineTexan

tag-team suicide posting

/sounds like a Japanese game show

I like the name you put to it - “Tag Team Suicide Posting”.

245 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:20pm

re: #239 Gus 802
It’s on just before XMC.

246 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:51:44pm
247 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #211 NY Nana

for so many years the Nobel has been politicized in favor of the left.

I think that particular Peace Prize should be stripped from Al Gore, and…. returned to Sendler.

248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:21pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

/I stink

*grin*
sock it to us!

/teasing

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Do you have a general idea when the deadline for the next cookbook might be? I’m thinking about adding my aeroponics system for indoor gardeners but I should probably work the kinks out before I put it on paper. It’s fairly cheap and pretty easy to do. Maintenance and mess is pretty mininal. Takes up very little space and early results are amazing. I have strawberries forming after 7 days.

250 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:02pm

re: #235 OldLineTexan

tag-team suicide posting

/sounds like a Japanese game show

Sounds like “Most Extreme Elimination Challenge”.

Loved that show.

251 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:02pm

re: #246 taxfreekiller
Bawney Fwank, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi…Double BOO!

252 livefreeor die  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:47pm

re: #203 taxfreekiller

60 dead Mexico City.
2 dead San Antonio Tx.
75 to 100 from NYC school just back from Mexico sick.
More cases being reported along Mexican/California Border.

1,000 cases in Mexico City

Open Borders have consequences.

This is really scary. I have a four month old son and I’m terrified.

253 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:58pm
254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:53:59pm

re: #237 Sharmuta

I don’t think Dr Miller is being overly critical- I think he’s being pragmatic. The last thing science should do is underestimate the emotional appeal of creationism.

My argument is probably nitpicking — based upon sheer principle.

255 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:19pm

Oh boy another linky thread! Yaaaay! Maybe now we can have a real over/under.

256 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:19pm

re: #217 Killgore Trout

There was another a few weeks ago about how Obama had a secret plan to nationalize the banks by refusing to let them payback TRAP money. There have been a few pretty questionable WSJ op-eds over the past month or so. I usually don’t bother with them much anymore.

TRAP money.” How insightful your typo is, and you probably don’t even realize it!

257 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:54:53pm

re: #253 taxfreekiller
Ahahahahaha!

258 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:00pm

re: #241 Occasional Reader

And, in fact, the Obama Administration has refused to let banks pay back TRAP money.


Some banks have already payed back. Others are waiting on stress tests. Either way the article is most likely wrong. I’d guess most banks will repay soon. Pretty much all of them will be out in a year or two. If Obama natiolizes the banks I’ll stand corrected but I find that pretty unlikely.

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:03pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

What’s with the animal bigotry? I really don’t get it. So were related to apes. Get over it.

I think for a lot of people it boils down to a desire to feel that they are somehow cosmically more significant than what they are capable of observing.

Whether it is a belief in astrology, mysticism, or any given religion, there is a desire for a mythos that places them above ordinary nature, and sometimes even above their fellow humans.

260 Salamantis  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:21pm

Texas is about to get even more unfavorable publicity:

A Lone Star Battles State
Lara Vogel
[Link: www.nypost.com…]

DURING the days leading up to the 2000 presidential election, things were heating up in Texas — and not just because of W.’s impending victory. Calvin Beckett, district attorney of small-town Hearne, was conducting SWAT-style drug raids on local housing projects. And, as Friday’s “American Violet” depicts, that November, Beckett’s forces picked on the wrong woman.

The thinly fictionalized drama is a heart-wrenching tale of Dee (Nicole Beharie), an innocent woman with no prior record who was arrested after the raid and indicted as a drug dealer on the uncorroborated testimony of one person. A single mother with four young girls, Dee is pressured by her mother (Alfre Woodard) to take a plea bargain so that she can get out of jail quickly and get back home.

She chooses to defy convention and, with the help of an ACLU lawyer (Tim Blake Nelson), takes on the district attorney.

“I had always told my children, if you do right and always tell the truth, nothing bad will ever happen to you,” says Regina Kelly, the woman Dee is based on. “In my heart, I knew I had to do the right thing and fight the charge.”

The story transfixed Brooklyn native Beharie, even before she was cast. “I read all of [writer and producer] Bill Hanley’s research, watched tapes of the depositions — I stalked her [Kelly],” Beharie says. “My hope is that certain people will see this film and will learn something. The justice system in many parts of this country is not the same for people of all classes.”

With the help of a local detective and former cop (Will Patton), Beckett’s racist underpinnings are revealed. Both his ex-wife and daughter tell of his anti-black screeds on videotape. Dee is released and charges against her are dropped.

Sounds like a happy ending, right? In some ways it is, but when the film ends, director Tim Disney (Walt’s great-nephew) gives us updates on major characters: Kelly is now a motivational speaker, which is terrific for her, but Beckett is still the district attorney in Hearne, Texas.

[Link: www.imdb.com…]

(two movie trailers available on site)

261 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:55:50pm

re: #224 OldLineTexan

Heh, Freudian typo.

/

Damn, beat me to it. :(

262 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 7:59:00pm
263 Unakite  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:01:48pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

I think for a lot of people it boils down to a desire to feel that they are somehow cosmically more significant than what they are capable of observing.

Whether it is a belief in astrology, mysticism, or any given religion, there is a desire for a mythos that places them above ordinary nature, and sometimes even above their fellow humans.

I am awed by what I observe. Therefore, I have no problem being part of it.

264 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:16pm

re: #252 livefreeor die

This is really scary. I have a four month old son and I’m terrified.

The good news; 1) Cases in US have been much less virulent; 2) Tamiflu and other antivirals effective against it; 3) Some signs that even in Mexico, the outbreak has tapered off.

265 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:03:42pm

re: #218 Lincolntf

Of course they can’t be taken seriously, they disagree with you. They must be marginalized, ridiculed and dismissed. Did you miss that day in Liberal school?

No, no, no, Republicans are really dumb to make an issue out of Obama’s insane spending plans.

/political suicide you see, very, very bad idea to confront TOTUS

266 livefreeor die  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:04:31pm

re: #264 Occasional Reader

The good news; 1) Cases in US have been much less virulent; 2) Tamiflu and other antivirals effective against it; 3) Some signs that even in Mexico, the outbreak has tapered off.

Thank you. I updinged you because you made it so I can sleep tonight!

267 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:05:03pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

In his defense (ugh), it’s not his fault he was awarded the Nobel instead of someone 2,500 times more deserving. It is the Nobel Committee that is to blame. May they all live the rest of their days in shame.


Excellent post. I agree with you, except that it is more like a googaplex on the part of the lefty Nobel creeps, for whom the word ‘shame’ is just not anything that they have ever had.

268 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:05:28pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Climate change happens, this is a fact. There was no Ice Age, then there was an Ice Age, and then there wasn’t again.

The extent to which it is detrimental to the planet, and to which we humans affect it, and how far we should go or what measures we should take to prevent it (or even if anything we do can prevent it) is where all the stupid, emotional, political BS comes into play.

There is a lot of bogus chaff out there coming from both sides, and so far I have seen very little wheat.

Since the warm interglacial periods have been relatively short times between the rather long ice ages, the argument could be made that Earth’s natural state is more like Hoth than Tatooine.

I am a skeptic that there is a dire emergency due to AGW and that in order to save humanity, we have to tax the developed nations into poverty, or we will all die tomorrow, just like Jonathan David Stutz.

More study is needed.

269 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #258 Killgore Trout

Either way the article is most likely wrong.

Easy for you to say because you obviously didn’t read it either.

/here’s a hint, it has nothing to do with the TARP issue

270 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:07:20pm

re: #253 taxfreekiller

Here is one that will scare the pants off Kilgore and avanti.

Rasmussen poll shows Huckabee , winner over Obama in 2012.

Obama is only 7 points over Huckabee in the Pew poll, but that’s a bigger win for Obama then over McCain.

Pew poll.

271 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:08:51pm

re: #253 taxfreekiller

Here is one that will scare the pants off Kilgore and avanti.

Rasmussen poll shows Huckabee , winner over Obama in 2012.

Care to explain?

272 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:09:35pm

re: #271 Slumbering Behemoth
Me thinks tfk is pulling somebodys leg.

273 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:11:49pm

re: #272 pingjockey

I think it be his own.

274 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #269 Killian Bundy

I was talking about another goofy WSJ op-ed about Tarp. Not the one you linked to.

275 pingjockey  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:14:04pm

re: #273 Slumbering Behemoth
Possible. tfk works in mysterious ways.

276 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:14:08pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I was talking about another goofy WSJ op-ed about Tarp. Not the one you linked to.

/which one would that be?

277 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:16:26pm

re: #276 Killian Bundy

/which one would that be?

The Nepalatano one?

/Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan still can’t write a check, why would that be?

278 TheAntichrist  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:17:21pm

It’s OK to lie, if you’re lying for Jesus.

279 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:20:45pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I was talking about another goofy WSJ op-ed about Tarp. Not the one you linked to.

/and maybe you missed the one where Bank of America was forced to purchase Merrill Lynch and shut up about the circumstances

280 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:21:43pm

re: #276 Killian Bundy
This one….
Obama Wants to Control the Banks

Upon giving it a second look I think I now understand the source of the problem…..

Here’s a true story first reported by my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano ….


Lol. WSJ, much like everyone else these days is getting their info from cranks and Paulians. Personally I think it should be beneath the standards of even the Op-ed pages for WSJ but it’s their decision to make. I feel more comfortable ignoring them now.

281 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:24:02pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

I feel more comfortable ignoring them now.

/when’s the last time you read the WSJ in the first place?

282 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:26:36pm

re: #279 Killian Bundy

/and maybe you missed the one where Bank of America was forced to purchase Merrill Lynch and shut up about the circumstances

Yea, and that was under the Bush watch, so both sides are meddling.

283 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #279 Killian Bundy

/and maybe you missed the one where Bank of America was forced to purchase Merrill Lynch and shut up about the circumstances

Or the current court gag order on the 19 banks that prevents them from revealing the results of the “stress tests” to their shareholders.

/which violates public securities disclosure laws

284 avanti  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:28:29pm

re: #277 Killian Bundy

The Nepalatano one?

/Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan still can’t write a check, why would that be?

They don’t want the banks that don’t need the money to expose the weaker banks that do to a run on the banks. Once the stress tests results are released, they can write checks.

285 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:28:37pm

re: #282 avanti

Yea, and that was under the Bush watch, so both sides are meddling.

/Bush ain’t President no more

286 Killian Bundy  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:32:37pm

re: #284 avanti

They don’t want the banks that don’t need the money to expose the weaker banks that do to a run on the banks. Once the stress tests results are released, they can write checks.

For starters, those two banks were forced to take the money in the first place.

/so the stress tests results are released and they can pay back the loans and other banks can’t, how is it any different letting them write the checks then?

287 StillAMarine  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:37:27pm

The creationists and their running dogs, the ID’ers, obnoxiously insist on forcing their religious views on everybody else. However, an even more obnoxious trait of theirs is to refuse to accept the full grandeur of the Universe, with its mind blowing immensity and beauty. Instead they place this little speck of dust called Earth at the center of the Universe.
This is an affront to G-d the Creator of the Universe.

288 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:52:45pm

I have known many who speak in vague and cryptic ways. Most of them lefty liberals, often the strange artsy type, but not all. Their words, couched in not-so-subtle subtleties and pseudo-intellectual pretense, and sometimes with the synthetic additive of non-specific spiritual knowledge.

They speak with words strong as smoke, meant to impress or intimidate, depending on the audience. Incapable of speaking plainly or directly to those they presume to oppose , they throw their aimless words into the air like dried leaves in a gust of wind, feeling mentally superior when their opponent appears not to catch them, and feigning ignorance when they do.

Never threatening outright, towards the faces that face them, but always vaguely implying the fear and cowardice of those they attempt to mock; “Hide your head, run away, run away”.

I’ve named them over two decades ago. They are mafia-mystic wannabes. Easily ignorable, yet persistent in their desire to be noticed.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 24, 2009 8:56:09pm

re: #285 Killian Bundy

/Bush ain’t President no more

And it’s ruining the economy!

Probably NSFW.

290 theheat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:34:05am
appointed twice to the Texas State Board of Education by Governor Rick Perry

Every time Charles introduces Don McLeroy that way, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. It’s like toilet paper Rick Perry can’t get off the bottom of his shoe, and deservedly so.

291 Steffan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:31:08am

OK. What are they smoking, and why aren’t they sharing?

Charles, I can’t diminutize this. This has Whiskey Tango Foxtrot pasted all over it.

C’mon, people. Share with us. Trendy chemical amusement aids of this sort are made to be shared, so share them with us, already.

292 AmericanPride  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:04:09pm

I found it very interesting to learn that amino acids (any one of a class of simple organic compounds containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and in certain cases sulfur. These compounds are the building blocks of [proteins]: any of the group of highly complex organic compounds found in ‘ALL LIVING CELLS’ and comprising the most abundant class of ‘ALL BIOLOGICAL MOLECULES’) have been found in meteorites.


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