Pro Koln Organizer’s Nazi Merchandise

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Since Robert Spencer is posting claims from “Pro Koln” organizer Manfred Rouhs that he has no neo-Nazi connections and is not an extremist, here’s a little tidbit of information that might put a crimp in Spencer’s apologetics.

Manfred Rouhs is the owner and editor of the website nation24.de.

Among other cheerful Nazi paraphernalia for sale at Rouhs’ website, we find this collection of music by the Hitler Youth:

And then we have this wonderful piece of Nazi apologetic literature by the son of Rudolf Hess:

This is the man Spencer is defending.

(Hat tip: vitoc.)

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312 comments

1 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:58:27pm

I wonder who that kid is?

2 Turtler  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:01:03pm

Suprise suprise. Spencer is at it again.

Say what you will Charles, but when you're wrong you are bearable, and when you are right you are DAMN right.

The only sad thing is that anybody who would be affected by this has probably already dropped Spencer and his "friends" like a hot potato.

Still, good find.

3 acwgusa  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:01:27pm

Spencer needs to give it up. Charles caught him with his pants down, and kicked his ass clear to Timbuktu.

4 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:01:52pm

Photoshop!

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:02:00pm

WTF? The addictive nature of Power will undo those whackos!

Just home the fallout isn't the rest of us.

6 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:02:36pm

Song marches? Yeh body, Every sane person wants a collection of nazi-youth song marches.

7 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:02:42pm

re: #4 Racer X

Photoshop!

No, his shop has been photo'd.

8 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:03:37pm
9 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:04:13pm

re: #7 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No, his shop has been photo'd.

Heh.

Technology is a wonderful thing.

"I am not a racist and I do not support nazis".

"Here, buy some of this nazi literature"

10 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:04:55pm

The hate mail is gonna flow tonight.

11 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:05:19pm

It's merely a case of mis-translation.
The title is really the Horst Wassail Song.
Christmas music, doncha know?!

///

12 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:05:30pm

re: #6 screaming_eagle

Song marches? Yeh body, Every sane person wants a collection of nazi-youth song marches.

In HS, I knew a guy who once came to school in full SS regalia. He was also fond of giving the 'salute'- while giggling.

He never quite understood why I kept telling him to stop acting like a jerk.

cheers

eon

13 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:05:46pm

this appears on the album

Has a little Bush derangment flag on it. Still funny.

14 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:07:02pm

re: #10 DEZes

The hate mail is gonna flow tonight.

No doubt.

Many have been taken in by the "photoshop" side trip. They have completely ignored the whole "look who are shaking hands" aspect. It matters not where they shook hands.

15 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:07:15pm

The kid on the album cover reminds me of this.

16 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:07:31pm

Great information. Thanks "vitoc"!

17 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:07:47pm

re: #10 DEZes

Are you suggesting that:
Heimat Deine Sterne doesn't translate into Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer?

18 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:15pm

re: #3 acwgusa

Spencer needs to give it up. Charles caught him with his pants down, and kicked his ass clear to Timbuktu.

Yep. Spencer is well and truly busted.

19 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:25pm

re: #17 screaming_eagle

Are you suggesting that:
Heimat Deine Sterne doesn't translate into Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer?

Um, yeah, something like that. ;)

20 Killian Bundy  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:38pm

And with the 22nd overall pick in the NFL draft, the Vikings select . . .

/a dope smoker

21 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:48pm

Whois Information

nation24.de

Domain: nation24.de
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Nserver: ns2.rheinserver.de 195.66.0.3
Status: connect
Changed: 2005-10-05T13:29:55+02:00

[Holder]
Type: PERSON
Name: Manfred Rouhs
Address: Suelzburgstrasse 243

Pcode: 50937
City: Koeln
Country: DE
Changed: 2005-09-29T11:32:59+02:00

pro-koeln-online.de

Domain: pro-koeln-online.de
Nserver: ns1.rheinserver.de
Nserver: ns2.rheinserver.de
Status: connect
Changed: 2006-08-28T10:45:03+02:00

[Holder]
Type: ORG
Name: Buergerbewegung pro Koeln e.V.
Address: Manfred Rouhs, Suelzburgstrasse 243

Pcode: 50937
City: Koeln
Country: DE
Changed: 2009-02-25T16:28:59+01:00

Same holder and same provider for both sites.

22 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:50pm

re: #15 Ringo the Gringo

The kid on the album cover reminds me of this.

Same here, as soon as I saw it. Cabaret is one of the most frightening films ever made, and I'm pretty sure the filmmakers involved do not realize it to this day.

cheers

eon

23 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:56pm

re: #11 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dang, you beat me to the Christmas sarcasm.

24 marsl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:10:25pm

One thing Americans have to realize is the fact that in the European Union there isn't the same degree of free speech as in the United States. The main difference is that we don't allow fascist and nazis to have their own party's and to show their symbols, like the swastika.
So, in these partys you will not find swastikas or anything like you find in the american nazi party.
But the ideology and the hate are there. Only camouflaged, not in the open like in the US.
And the muslims are the enemy for them. But this is only conjectural, because the euro-nazis are against immigrants and most of the immigrants that come to the EU are blacks and muslims. But the main enemy for them, are the jews. This is only a temporary thing. Expect those europeans "anti-jihadis" to become anti-semites again. Just a matter of time.
And I know this because I live in the EU and I'm portuguese, as you know.

25 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:11:12pm

I never start posting on these subjects without having plenty of evidence in reserve. There's a lot more if it needs to be posted.

26 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:11:37pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Manfred Rouhs

1991, he joined the recently founded German League for People and the home for which he and his Ratsmandat to 1994 in the Cologne city council sat.

German League for People and Homeland

The DLVH was formed in 1991 by former National Democratic Party of Germany leader Martin Mussgnug

Martin Mussgnug

The father of Martin Mussgnug was Hans Mussgnug, 1944-1945 extrabudgetary Professor of Surgery at the University of Heidelberg, Nazi Party member from 1937 and leader of the squad Saturday.

Robert is publishing blatant lies from this rouhs. The man was actively involved in a political party founded by the son of an SA leader.

27 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:12:55pm

re: #23 screaming_eagle

Dang, you beat me to the Christmas sarcasm.

*heh*
and thanks for the up-ding.

28 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:13:02pm

re: #25 Charles

I never start posting on these subjects without having plenty of evidence in reserve. There's a lot more if it needs to be posted.

Please do. We want as much of this story as you can give us.

More knowledge is always a good thing, and the better one knows one's enemies, the better off one will be when confronting them.

29 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:13:07pm

Found in his book section:

[Link: 1.nation24.de...]

30 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:14:10pm

re: #24 marsl

Over here, we operate on the principle that everyone has the right to make an a$$ of himself in public. (Just look at our politicians, actors, and "intellectuals", you'll see what I mean.)

Plus, as one of our wiser heads once said;

When your enemy openly declares himself, you can enter into battle with a light heart.

- Col. Jeff Cooper

cheers

eon

31 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:15:24pm

Another book:

Klaus Farin: Skinhead - A Way of Life, 219 pages, over 200 photos and drawings, br.

The first semi-authentic documentation on the German skinhead scene. Hundreds of skins are totally uncensored to speak - from SHARP to the White Power Skin. However, the SHARP scene considerably overstated, perhaps even because of that more as a patriotic red, or extreme right-wing skins to the questionnaires of the author that this book is based, have responded. The many photographs are a feast for the eyes and a good reason, the price of 14 euros in this publication to invest!

32 Danny  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:15:51pm

There are four Chomsky books for sale on Nation24.de:

[Link: bit.ly...]

Oh, the irony...

33 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:15:52pm

Manfred Rouhs just has to be reich all the time.

34 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:16:47pm

re: #28 Salamantis

Please do. We want as much of this story as you can give us.

More knowledge is always a good thing, and the better one knows one's enemies, the better off one will be when confronting them.

Absolutely.

This whole episode is really painful to go through - the fractures in the anti-jihad movement - but it is necessary to expose those with devious intent. In the long run they will do more harm than any good they will contribute.

It is truly sad that so many on the right are jumping on the wrong side of this argument.

35 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:17:01pm

I'm reading a bio of Rudolf Hess. Weird guy; he was a high ranked Nazi but went nuts, and fled to Britain in 1941.

The book's forward is by Golo Mann - who is not a weird guy. He's actually a hero. Mann joined the US Army in 1943 and helped Allied propaganda; in the 1970s, he continued to help the West Germany against communist infiltration into its student associations.

I'm guessing that it is not a Nazi apologetic if it is being presented by a class act like Mann. Can any of our German lizards shed more light on the provenance of this publication?

36 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:17:34pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Another book:

I love the glimpses of the bizarre inner factions of these folks; weird, ain't it? I imagine demons have similar discussions and disputes, and differences of taste and opinion.

37 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:20:03pm

If these folks are suppose to be pro-Israel, then why are they selling not only antisemitic books, but also books by Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein among others?

[Link: 1.nation24.de...]

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:21:38pm

re: #2 Turtler

Say what you will Charles, but when you're wrong you are bearable, and when you are right you are DAMN right.

Well stated, my friend.

39 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:22:03pm

re: #28 Salamantis

Please do. We want as much of this story as you can give us.

More knowledge is always a good thing, and the better one knows one's enemies, the better off one will be when confronting them.

But it's handy to have it at the ready to refute the BS.

40 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:22:15pm

re: #22 eon

Same here, as soon as I saw it. Cabaret is one of the most frightening films ever made, and I'm pretty sure the filmmakers involved do not realize it to this day.

cheers

eon

I was young when I saw it, and it was terrifying.
I think we could make a version based on today's world, which is even more frightening.
(Let's see, Pamela Geller could play the Liza Minelli part; any of hundreds of TV personalities could be the MC (although without the edge that Joel Grey had), ...

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:22:16pm

re: #2 Turtler

15 posts in a year? WUWT?

42 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:22:21pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

This particular book by Klaus Farin is ok. This is NOT a nazi book AT ALL. Farin is anti-nazi, very much so in fact. And credible, even though I do not always like everything he writes. But still, this is NOT a nazi book.

43 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:22:57pm

re: #12 eon

In HS, I knew a guy who once came to school in full SS regalia. He was also fond of giving the 'salute'- while giggling.

He never quite understood why I kept telling him to stop acting like a jerk.

cheers

eon

You went to school with Eric Cartman?

44 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:23:34pm

re: #3 acwgusa

Spencer needs to give it up. Charles caught him with his pants down, and kicked his ass clear to Timbuktu.

(Making a play on my prior, copied below):
... ... ... ... Spencer can now hold his pants-less Fannie Hoch

re: #11 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's merely a case of mis-translation.
The title is really the Horst Wassail Song.
Christmas music, doncha know?!

///

45 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:24:28pm

re: #21 Gus 802

No addresses please.

46 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #43 CyanSnowHawk

You went to school with Eric Cartman?

I think many of us did. I knew a kid like that in J-high. Absolutely enraging, but one sort of pitied him, "He's not well," the teachers used to say. Creepiest thing was the guy was a trekkie to boot.

Even in those gentle souls (trekkies, I mean), there can lurk evil or madness

47 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:25:25pm

Lot of creepy reading material in the history section.

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:25:27pm

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

Weird. I was just online looking for the origin of "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" and it was written for Cabaret.

Seriously. That was strange.

49 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:26:09pm

re: #42 vitoc

This particular book by Klaus Farin is ok. This is NOT a nazi book AT ALL. Farin is anti-nazi, very much so in fact. And credible, even though I do not always like everything he writes. But still, this is NOT a nazi book.

Thanks for the information. It's difficult to judge anything from a google translation.

50 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:27:16pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

Lot of creepy reading material in the history section.

Hell, most of 20th century history is downright creepy; 21st ain't looking all that comforting either.

51 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:27:26pm

Number 2 best seller for books under politics at said site:

Finkelstein, Norman G.: Die Holocaust-Industrie

52 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:27:53pm

Out of here for the evening.
Five bucks on #390.
Would someone kindly collect for me if I win?

/50-50

53 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:28:09pm

re: #51 Gus 802

Number 2 best seller for books under politics at said site:

Finkelstein, Norman G.: Die Holocaust-Industrie

May his name be blotted out.

54 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:28:33pm

They have a troofer book:

[Link: 1.nation24.de...]

55 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:29:05pm

A juicy detail of Rouhs' past:
Source: [Link: www.ksta.de...]
"Pro-Köln-Wortführer Rouhs musste sich weiteren Vorwürfen stellen. In der von einem ehemaligen SS-Sonderoffizier herausgegebenen Zeitschrift „Die Bauernschaft“ war unter dem Namen von Rouhs ein Leserbrief veröffentlicht worden, wonach „im 3. Reich keine 6 Millionen Juden vergast oder sonst wie ermordet worden“ seien und die Deutschen auch den Zweiten Weltkrieg nicht verschuldet hätten. Rouhs leugnete zwar die Urheberschaft und wehrte sich gerichtlich gegen die Enthüllung. Doch weder das Kölner Landgericht noch das Oberlandesgericht folgten seinen „substanzarmen“ Versicherungen."

Translation in short: In 1984 he wrote a letter to the editor of a publication called "Die Bauernschaft", a notorious nazi pamphlet edited by a former SS guy called Thies Christophersen => [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] in which Rouhs denied that the holocaust had taken place, that jews had not been murdered in gas chambers. Rouhs claimed that he did not write that letter to the editor, but two different courts did NOT believe him, they found his claims "lacked substance". Ahhh, I guess that David Horowitz would LOVE to hear about this specific detail....

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:29:13pm

re: #50 Guanxi88

Hell, most of 20th century history is downright creepy; 21st ain't looking all that comforting either.

The 20th was "traditional creepy".
This one is going to plow new ground.

57 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #53 Guanxi88

May his name be blotted out.

I hear that. It's telling that it's number 2.

58 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:29:33pm

Everyone -

Sounds to me like the usual "NSDAP" apologia of - we were better than the Russians. Had you merely conquered portions of Russia - as your Fathers did - there would have been FEW problems. Many Russians would have welcomed you, as they did about 25 years earlier - you would have had an Empire - The German - Russian Empire, along the lines of the "Austro-Hungarian." Your problem was your Ideology, and willingness to impose it. It caused all 'y'all to slaughter people who might have been allies or at least quiet. Forget what you did to MY Family - Diclaimer: Mostly Liquidated - You had an Empire in Your Palms - and BLEW IT!

-S-

59 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:29:43pm

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Weird. I was just online looking for the origin of "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" and it was written for Cabaret.

Seriously. That was strange.

Wow. I would have thought it was a Hitler Youth song. They did a great job.
Reminds me, I don't have Cabaret on DVD; just on VHS.

But so many TV shows remind me of the decadence of the Cabaret show.
"Leave all your problems outside. In here, life is beautiful. The girls are beautiful. Even the orchestra is beautiful" ( but they're all guys in drag)

60 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:29:44pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

They have a troofer book:

[Link: 1.nation24.de...]

Like Amazon.com for the evil and unbalanced! One-stop shopping for all your crazed german-language needs.

61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:31:08pm

re: #29 MJ

Found in his book section:

[Link: 1.nation24.de...]

yikes.

62 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:31:19pm

re: #59 Kosh's Shadow

Wow. I would have thought it was a Hitler Youth song. They did a great job.
Reminds me, I don't have Cabaret on DVD; just on VHS.

But so many TV shows remind me of the decadence of the Cabaret show.
"Leave all your problems outside. In here, life is beautiful. The girls are beautiful. Even the orchestra is beautiful" ( but they're all guys in drag)

Yes, some of the parallels with Weimar and the past 20 or so years here are unsettling.

63 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:32:41pm

Robert should think about translating his stuff to german. He has a friend who could help him sell it!

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:32:45pm

re: #59 Kosh's Shadow

The idea of Liza gaining more fame for Cabaret than Joel Grey (who is/was absolute genius) never ceases to amaze me.

65 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:33:02pm

re: #46 Guanxi88

I think many of us did. I knew a kid like that in J-high. Absolutely enraging, but one sort of pitied him, "He's not well," the teachers used to say. Creepiest thing was the guy was a trekkie to boot.

Even in those gentle souls (trekkies, I mean), there can lurk evil or madness

Trekkies gentle? In general, they tend to be meek in person (Except those Klingon clubs), but get them in an online forum, hold onto your keyboards, there's going to be vitriol in the air.

66 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:33:07pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

Robert should think about translating his stuff to german. He has a friend who could help him sell it!

Hell, it'll practically sell itself.

67 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:33:12pm

re: #43 CyanSnowHawk

You went to school with Eric Cartman?

No, but this guy was shaped a lot like Cartman. Or Goering.

/He thought I should think he was cool because I'm shaped about like Richard Boone when he played Hec Ramsay.

cheers

eon

68 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:33:46pm

re: #62 Guanxi88

Yes, some of the parallels with Weimar and the past 20 or so years here are unsettling.

Add in the Jew-hatred disguised as dislike for Israel, and we have the ground laid for another Shoah. However, I think there are more people aware of the possibilities, and could stop it. But the longer we wait, the uglier and the harder it will be to stop.

69 Lynn B.  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:34:30pm

Oh brother. Pamela is screen capturing comments here ... ~hi pam~ ... accusing Charles of "threatening" Michelle Malkin. And Spencer has posted yet another update calling Charles a "thug" and asking how "decent people" can stand by him. If that doesn't take the cake ...

I really pity those who are still clinging to the belief that Robert is being honest with them. I was quite devastated when the evidence of his character finally became overwhelming (and it was Robert's own vitriol that convinced me ... I was too stubborn to believe what I was reading about him here).

With all of his "updates," he still hasn't managed to deny that he's going to Cologne. And in the unlikely event he doesn't ... what's that say about Pamela?

70 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:34:42pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea of Liza gaining more fame for Cabaret than Joel Grey (who is/was absolute genius) never ceases to amaze me.

I agree about Joel Grey, but I have to say I'd rather look at Liza.

71 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:34:56pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea of Liza gaining more fame for Cabaret than Joel Grey (who is/was absolute genius) never ceases to amaze me.

FBV -

Liza is JUDY'S Daughter. Joel Grey - No Such Pedigree. 'Nuff Said? That is all.

-S-

72 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:35:17pm

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk

Trekkies gentle? In general, they tend to be meek in person (Except those Klingon clubs), but get them in an online forum, hold onto your keyboards, there's going to be vitriol in the air.

Look, we all of us can get a little out of hand with the anonymity of the interwebs; trekkies are probably no worse than others with their pet causes. Still, I do know a number of fellow Aspergers cases tend to gravitate and wallow in that sort of stuff, if they're not helped.

73 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:35:40pm

re: #46 Guanxi88

I think many of us did. I knew a kid like that in J-high. Absolutely enraging, but one sort of pitied him, "He's not well," the teachers used to say. Creepiest thing was the guy was a trekkie to boot.

Even in those gentle souls (trekkies, I mean), there can lurk evil or madness

Eek. This one was too.

Are you from Ohio?

/just wondering if it was the same one.....

cheers

eon

74 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:36:44pm

re: #68 Kosh's Shadow

Add in the Jew-hatred disguised as dislike for Israel, and we have the ground laid for another Shoah. However, I think there are more people aware of the possibilities, and could stop it. But the longer we wait, the uglier and the harder it will be to stop.

On top of everything else, I hate to think how hard a swing to the Right (whatever that might mean) this country will take once the degradation of culture and nation reach their nadir. I fear the reaction at least as much as I do the revolution.

75 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:37:12pm

re: #73 eon

Eek. This one was too.

Are you from Ohio?

/just wondering if it was the same one.....

cheers

eon

Nope, WV (save the wise-cracks, I've heard 'em all and repeated most of them already).

76 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:37:40pm

re: #71 Dr. Shalit

FBV -

Liza is JUDY'S Daughter. Joel Grey - No Such Pedigree. 'Nuff Said? That is all.

-S-

Joel Grey is Mikey Katz's son. Just not the same.

77 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:38:00pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea of Liza gaining more fame for Cabaret than Joel Grey (who is/was absolute genius) never ceases to amaze me.

Joel Grey's father:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

78 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:38:18pm

re: #69 Lynn B.

And Spencer has posted yet another update calling Charles a "thug" and asking how "decent people" can stand by him.

Well that's easy. Charles isn't the one publishing nazi propaganda and lies.

79 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:38:27pm

Archived website of Manfred Rouhs

Signal Online

1998-2007

Domain: signal-online.de
Nserver: ns1.rheinserver.de 213.198.78.141
Nserver: ns2.rheinserver.de 195.66.0.3
Status: connect
Changed: 2005-10-05T13:09:45+02:00

[Holder]
Type: PERSON
Name: Manfred Rouhs
Address: Suelzburgstrasse 243
Pcode: 50937
City: Koeln
Country: DE
Changed: 2005-09-29T11:32:59+02:00

[Admin-C]
Type: PERSON
Name: Manfred Rouhs
Address: Suelzburgstrasse 243
Pcode: 50937
City: Koeln
Country: DE
Changed: 2005-09-29T11:32:59+02:00

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:38:30pm

re: #71 Dr. Shalit

Yeah, I know. Joel Grey was fantastic tho.

Saw Cabaret in NYC at Studio 54 in 1998. Both the Emcee and Sally Bowles were awful!

Gina Gershon played Sally. Was horrific. Was pretty bad. Sucked tremendously. She was horrid.

81 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:38:37pm

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow

Beat me by 20 seconds!

82 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:38:38pm

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow

re: #77 MJ

GMTA. 20 seconds apart.

83 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:39:06pm

re: #74 Guanxi88

On top of everything else, I hate to think how hard a swing to the Right (whatever that might mean) this country will take once the degradation of culture and nation reach their nadir. I fear the reaction at least as much as I do the revolution.

Every time I think about what I suspect will be the inevitable blowback from The One's rapidly-evolving idiocy, I immediately think of Heinlein's Revolt in 2100.

And I wonder who our Nehemiah Scudder will be.

cheers

eon

84 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:39:19pm

re: #66 Guanxi88

Hell, it'll practically sell itself.

The author and his supporters already sold their souls; books should be easy.

85 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:39:51pm

re: #3 acwgusa

Spencer needs to give it up. Charles caught him with his pants down, and kicked his ass clear to Timbuktu.

What's the matter with them? They accuse Charles of not knowing who the enemy is, but they think the enemy is Charles? Good grief.

The guilty doth protest too much.

86 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:40:50pm

re: #69 Lynn B.

Oh brother. Pamela is screen capturing comments here ... ~hi pam~ ... accusing Charles of "threatening" Michelle Malkin. And Spencer has posted yet another update calling Charles a "thug" and asking how "decent people" can stand by him. If that doesn't take the cake ...

I really pity those who are still clinging to the belief that Robert is being honest with them. I was quite devastated when the evidence of his character finally became overwhelming (and it was Robert's own vitriol that convinced me ... I was too stubborn to believe what I was reading about him here).

With all of his "updates," he still hasn't managed to deny that he's going to Cologne. And in the unlikely event he doesn't ... what's that say about Pamela?

That for her, Nazis are only bad if they are not on her side. . .then enemy of my enemy is my fiend. . .for sure that is not a typo:)

87 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:41:05pm

re: #83 eon

Every time I think about what I suspect will be the inevitable blowback from The One's rapidly-evolving idiocy, I immediately think of Heinlein's Revolt in 2100.

And I wonder who our Nehemiah Scudder will be.

cheers

eon

I don't think we've seen him yet. His John the Baptist, maybe, but not the One yet.

88 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:41:59pm

re: #77 MJ

Joel Grey's father:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Shame his daughter had to go and fix her face. . .

89 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:42:38pm

They have two books by one Herbert Taege, one of which is called "NS-Perestroika?".

Let's look into him a bit.

EmmmieG was asking earlier if there were books about the Hitler Youth written by credible historians. Well, there is - "Hitler Youth" by Michael H Kater, and it's on Google Books. It mentions of Herbert Taege: Born in Magdeburg in Saxe-Anhalt, September 1921, son of "a minor postal official". He was a Boy Scout at first... and then joined the Jugend in March 1933. Taege joined the NSDAP "on the first day of World War II" - so, he was 18. He then volunteered for the - I swear to you I am not kidding - Waffen-SS. He was wounded at the front in 1940 and got "transferred to the SS Death Head's unit at Dachau", and was a guard at that hell hole three years. Then the SS figured he was fit for more active duty again and moved him to Warsaw. That put him at the scene of the ghetto "liquidation". His resume goes on with more stuff like that, and points out that after the war he'd escaped to West Germany where he founded Ascania, a neo-Nazi publishing firm. (pp.167-8)

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:42:40pm

re: #88 DisturbedEma

yep.

91 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:42:45pm

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow

Joel Grey is Mikey Katz's son. Just not the same.

Kosh's Shadow -

'All'y'all GOT THAT RIGHT. Grey would have had to be the offspring of Irving Berlin, Al Jolson, Jack Benny and Benny Goodman to get the same attention as "LIZA." That is all.

-S-

92 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:42:58pm

re: #85 itellu3times

They have been studying the playbook that dear leader uses. . .

93 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:43:55pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yep.

I heard that people do not believe her when she says she was in Ferris Bueller or Dirty Dancing. . .

94 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:44:17pm

Big one here.

Record collection entitled "Neu-CDs" at Manfred Rouhs archived site.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

Includes death metal and skinhead bands.

95 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:44:32pm

re: #89 Zimriel

They have two books by one Herbert Taege, one of which is called "NS-Perestroika?".

Let's look into him a bit.

EmmmieG was asking earlier if there were books about the Hitler Youth written by credible historians. Well, there is - "Hitler Youth" by Michael H Kater, and it's on Google Books. It mentions of Herbert Taege: Born in Magdeburg in Saxe-Anhalt, September 1921, son of "a minor postal official". He was a Boy Scout at first... and then joined the Jugend in March 1933. Taege joined the NSDAP "on the first day of World War II" - so, he was 18. He then volunteered for the - I swear to you I am not kidding - Waffen-SS. He was wounded at the front in 1940 and got "transferred to the SS Death Head's unit at Dachau", and was a guard at that hell hole three years. Then the SS figured he was fit for more active duty again and moved him to Warsaw. That put him at the scene of the ghetto "liquidation". His resume goes on with more stuff like that, and points out that after the war he'd escaped to West Germany where he founded Ascania, a neo-Nazi publishing firm. (pp.167-8)

I hope this beast died choking and screaming met justice in this world, or will meet it in the next..

96 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:45:09pm

It seems that Spencer will go to any lengths to avoid simply admitting that he was wrong about the company he has been keeping.

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:45:23pm

re: #91 Dr. Shalit

You, of course, are correct.

99 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:45:38pm

re: #89 Zimriel


This has been bugging me for awhile. . .the current Pope was a member of shitlers youth. . .and when I asked people about it, they poo pooed it. . .usually with the disclaimer "EVERYONE was a member back then. . ." so, will that fly here too? That it was just apropo. . .hmmmm

100 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:46:47pm

re: #96 livefreeor die

Again, the playbook that stole, I mean won the WH. . .

101 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:47:30pm

Oh, just so that Rouhs doesn't get it into his head to purge his bookstore of this delightful material (every self-respecting coffee table deserves books by alumni of Waffen, Dachau, and the Warsaw liquidation, don't you think?), I've taken the liberty of saving this site on backupurl.

102 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:00pm

re: #96 livefreeor die

It seems that Spencer will go to any lengths to avoid simply admitting that he was wrong about the company he has been keeping.

It's not so much that robert is wrong about his associates, it's that he doesn't appreciate them being outed for their highly questionable affiliations.

103 eon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:02pm

Well, I have to get up early in the morning. (Anyone who thinks being retired is easy must still be working.) So...

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

104 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:06pm
105 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:13pm

re: #99 DisturbedEma

This has been bugging me for awhile. . .the current Pope was a member of shitlers youth. . .and when I asked people about it, they poo pooed it. . .usually with the disclaimer "EVERYONE was a member back then. . ." so, will that fly here too? That it was just apropo. . .hmmmm

The Pope didn't join the Waffen SS and serve as guard on a camp. Taege did.

106 Turtler  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:15pm

rere: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, I know, I am a VERY occasional poster.

I'm not a mole, in case anybody thinks that.

It's just that I only really am inclined to post once in a while.

I guess a proper term for me would be "Registered Lurker."

108 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:34pm

Sharmuta,

from another thread

-----------

but, but, but Rouhs is also publishig Jewish authors e.g. Norman Finkelstein

run, hide and off....;-)

109 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:47pm

re: #69 Lynn B.

Oh brother. Pamela is screen capturing comments here ... ~hi pam~ ... accusing Charles of "threatening" Michelle Malkin. And Spencer has posted yet another update calling Charles a "thug" and asking how "decent people" can stand by him. If that doesn't take the cake ...

I really pity those who are still clinging to the belief that Robert is being honest with them. I was quite devastated when the evidence of his character finally became overwhelming (and it was Robert's own vitriol that convinced me ... I was too stubborn to believe what I was reading about him here).

With all of his "updates," he still hasn't managed to deny that he's going to Cologne. And in the unlikely event he doesn't ... what's that say about Pamela?

Obviously, Spencer and I have different definitions of "decent people". In my world decent people do not endorse Nazis in any way, shape, or form.

110 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:49:18pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Bülow, Andreas von: The CIA and the 11th September September

Killgore Trout -

Tell Andreas von Buelow that he is LUCKY, very lucky, NOT to be a BUHLER, executed in Poland for War Crimes, 1946. He might have been "NOT BORN."

-S-

111 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:49:29pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Yesssssss! Excellent. I mentioned in another post that in the past Rouhs was involved with selling openly nazi rock music. Here we have the nice proof now available, online, and not only stuff I could quote from books on the subjects. Here we gooooo:

[Link: web.archive.org...]

There is the nice compilation CD called "Sampler: Harte Zeiten - Harte Pflichten! Vol. 2" on which we can listen to lovely bands with names like "Klansmen" (which happens to be a side-project of Ian Stuart =>[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] )
Ken McLellan here's an interview with him which, uh, makes clear where he stands.... [Link: www.bloodandhonourcentral.co.uk...]

And we got Frank Rennicke's music => [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There isn't a SINGLE non-nazi recording for sale on this specific page.

112 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:49:50pm

re: #105 Zimriel

The Pope didn't join the Waffen SS and serve as guard on a camp. Taege did.


You miss my point- Waffen SS were given a wreath by a US president, were they not?

113 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:49:56pm

re: #100 DisturbedEma

Again, the playbook that stole, I mean won the WH. . .

"Those aren't the neo-Nazis I thought I knew."

114 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:50:19pm

Manfred Rouhs

Neu CDs - 1998

Frank Rennicke: hautnah
Freikorps: Skinheads 99
Brutal Attack: we won't run
Nordwind: zu neuen ufern
Rabauken: Hey, mein Freund!
Steelcapped Strength: Sign of evil
Endupdead: ... and the hell followed them

Go there and take a look at the name of the songs as well.

115 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:50:54pm

re: #113 livefreeor die

"Those aren't the neo-Nazis I thought I knew."

Exactly - they're not "neo" nazis at all; they're old-school NSDAP, to the core.

116 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:51:08pm

re: #111 vitoc

Yesssssss! Excellent. I mentioned in another post that in the past Rouhs was involved with selling openly nazi rock music. Here we have the nice proof now available, online, and not only stuff I could quote from books on the subjects. Here we gooooo:

[Link: web.archive.org...]

There is the nice compilation CD called "Sampler: Harte Zeiten - Harte Pflichten! Vol. 2" on which we can listen to lovely bands with names like "Klansmen" (which happens to be a side-project of Ian Stuart =>[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] )
Ken McLellan here's an interview with him which, uh, makes clear where he stands.... [Link: www.bloodandhonourcentral.co.uk...]

And we got Frank Rennicke's music => [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There isn't a SINGLE non-nazi recording for sale on this specific page.

Target acquired!

117 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:51:18pm

re: #113 livefreeor die

"Those aren't the neo-Nazis I thought I knew."


LOL:)

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:51:38pm

re: #106 Turtler

Lurk away, just comment more. Okay?

119 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:51:52pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Bülow, Andreas von: The CIA and the 11th September September

He's one of the most notorious troofer-freaks from Germany. See his biography here.

120 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:52:28pm

re: #92 DisturbedEma

They have been studying the playbook that dear leader uses. . .

Ha. Recipes for failure.

121 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:52:33pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Rüdiger, Dr. Jutta: The Hitler Youth and their self-understanding

It's pretty much all books.

Killgore Trout -

"The Reich" thought that the "Hitler Jugend" and "Bund Deutche Maidel" were the "Perfected" Version of the Boy and Girl Scouts. Discussion?

-S-

122 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:53:06pm

re: #120 itellu3times

Ha. Recipes for failure.

My wife's go-to cookbook. She does a lovely version of meatloaf, let me tell you.

123 marsl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:53:35pm

re: #30 eon

Over here, we operate on the principle that everyone has the right to make an a$$ of himself in public. (Just look at our politicians, actors, and "intellectuals", you'll see what I mean.)

Plus, as one of our wiser heads once said;

When your enemy openly declares himself, you can enter into battle with a light heart.

- Col. Jeff Cooper

cheers

eon

Maybe that's because America was never ruled by a fascist/nazi regime.

For example, Portugal was ruled 48 years by a quasi-fascist regime. It's comprehensible that we don't like very much to see fascist/nazi partys and symbols. They have many, many awful memories.

124 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:53:50pm

re: #112 DisturbedEma

You miss my point- Waffen SS were given a wreath by a US president, were they not?

I'm very much missing your point.

125 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:53:59pm

re: #115 Guanxi88

Exactly - they're not "neo" nazis at all; they're old-school NSDAP, to the core.

See that is what I worry about- that Nazi, having been oversued to the point of meaninglessness- Soup Nazi for one, when they really show up, people dismiss them or, point to times in history that they were "not so bad" or how they were "people" like with the Reagan/Wreath. . .the horror they caused, the slaughters they carried out. . .forgotten

126 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:54:17pm

re: #120 itellu3times

Ha. Recipes for failure.

"To Serve the USA"
"Oh, NO! It's a cookbook!"

127 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:54:25pm

re: #122 Guanxi88

My wife's go-to cookbook. She does a lovely version of meatloaf, let me tell you.

Guanxi88 -

"...Mmmm - MEATLOAF!..."

-S-

128 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:54:43pm

re: #120 itellu3times

Ha. Recipes for failure.

From your keyboard to G-d's inbox!

129 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:54:50pm

heh.re: #119 gegenkritik

"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars" and "They have hidden behind a veil of secrecy and destroyed the evidence - that they invented the story of 19 Muslims working within Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda - in order to hide the truth of their own covert operation


And A "counterjihad" political party is endorsing this crap? Amazing.

130 Lynn B.  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:55:04pm

re: #99 DisturbedEma

This has been bugging me for awhile. . .the current Pope was a member of shitlers youth. . .and when I asked people about it, they poo pooed it. . .usually with the disclaimer "EVERYONE was a member back then. . ." so, will that fly here too? That it was just apropo. . .hmmmm

This has been discussed on a number of previous threads. Everyone was a member back then because it was a crime not to be. He was 14. And he didn't volunteer for anything. I have a lot of ambivalence about this Pope and this is part of it, but his record just isn't remotely comparable to the scum we're talking about here.

131 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:55:44pm

re: #125 DisturbedEma

See that is what I worry about- that Nazi, having been oversued to the point of meaninglessness- Soup Nazi for one, when they really show up, people dismiss them or, point to times in history that they were "not so bad" or how they were "people" like with the Reagan/Wreath. . .the horror they caused, the slaughters they carried out. . .forgotten

Yep, the term has been used so much as to have lost all meaning. Much like the "conjunctive uni-syllabic" (the "f-bomb"). it packed a lot of power for cursing and profanity, but got used to the point of being banal.

132 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:56:16pm

re: #124 Zimriel

I'm very much missing your point.

That over time, the bastards get a face lift or a whitewash, or their "humanity" is emphasized. . .instead of their genocidal actions they get politically corrected

133 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:57:12pm

re: #130 Lynn B.


That defense is not enough for me. . .especially for someone who was supposed to follow the laws of G-d, not man. . .

134 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:57:50pm

re: #35 Zimriel
I don't know this book, but Hess was really nuts for sure (besides from being a Nazi). He thought he could convince the UK to practically surrender. Britons threw him into prison, where he stayed until commiting suicide (and thus become a martyr for the Nazis who claim he was being murdered).

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:57:53pm

I am going to make my-self not on line any more.

G'night friends!

136 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:58:04pm

re: #126 livefreeor die

"To Serve the USA"
"Oh, NO! It's a cookbook!"


Ahh, yes, Twilight Zone 2009

137 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:58:36pm

re: #133 DisturbedEma

Let's keep the focus on the nazis and their friends attacking Charles for exposing them, please?

138 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:58:48pm
139 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:58:50pm

re: #136 DisturbedEma

Ahh, yes, Twilight Zone 2009

There was an older version of it too-that's the one I saw. It was in black and white.

140 Danny  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:58:53pm

re: #106 Turtler

Same here, Turtle. I don't care about racking up post count or karma.

141 rhino2  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:58:56pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gnight FBV

And good evening lizards!

142 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:59:03pm

re: #137 Sharmuta

Let's keep the focus on the nazis and their friends attacking Charles for exposing them, please?

Ummm yeah whatever

143 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:59:20pm

The question arises: Can Spencer back away from this whole cesspool he's wallowing in (and tolerating in his comments section) far enough to save anything of the work he's done to tear the mask off the "Islam means peace" PC-MSM line of thought control?

He did yeoman service there, and was for a long time a voice of reason in the wilderness of the mythos upheld by, among others, Condi and Dubya.

Unfortunately he seems to have thoroughly internalized the nonsensical maxim that one's enemies' enemies are one's friends.

Robert, the enemy of your enemy is his enemy, nothing more, nothing less.

For Pamela it's likely far too late - she's so far gone in hate that she'll tolerate someone praising an SS man without raising an eyebrow.

But for Robert and his spectral sockpuppet Hugh there could be hope. It would require taking 300 steps back and honestly appraising what you're doing and who you're doing it with.

I'm not holding my breath, but one can hope. Dum spiro, spero.

144 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:59:45pm

re: #138 zuckerlilly

Reagan - Kohl - Bitburg 1985?


hey, would love to comment but I have been told not to discuss this Nazi related issue anymore, just the topic. . .

145 Lynn B.  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #112 DisturbedEma

You miss my point- Waffen SS were given a wreath by a US president, were they not?

No. They were not.

I assume you're talking about this. It was a mistake, for crying out loud.

146 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:59:56pm

re: #125 DisturbedEma

See that is what I worry about- that Nazi, having been over[us]ed to the point of meaninglessness- Soup Nazi for one, when they really show up, people dismiss them or, point to times in history that they were "not so bad" or how they were "people" like with the Reagan/Wreath. . .the horror they caused, the slaughters they carried out. . .forgotten

I think I see... so you're saying that, at this stage, other people (not you, not me, not LGF - just young conservative / reactionaries who might be stumbling across, say, Spencer for the first time) - these other people might think that the Jugend was forced on many people and shouldn't be held against them, and that the Waffen SS was a legitimate armed force and that membership in it shouldn't be held against them.

I'm willing to give the Pope a pass on the Jugend charge; but as I mentioned earlier; if the man had carried on as a camp guard or ghetto liquidator, he would not be fit for office, IMO.

The Allies should have hanged Taege. Or the Mossad should have bombed his printing press. How he was able to produce material which is in print to this day disgusts me. Rouhs disgusts me too.

147 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:01:58pm

By the way, Michelle Malkin's 'Buzzworthy' section is automatically generated, so Robert Spencer's idiotic boast that Michelle approved of his dishonest smear job was completely wrong.

148 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:02:00pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Well- it is really tough to wait on this issue- meaning wait for the eventual parting of ways-and it will happen at some point.

Even some of the best partnerships between very close groups fall out over some detail, but the damage they will do. . .THAT will be long lasting, as we see with the treatment of Charles. . .

And WHAT is with the use of "Charlie" instead of Charles? So immature!

149 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:02:13pm

Crazy Europeans!

150 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:02:25pm

re: #147 Charles

By the way, Michelle Malkin's 'Buzzworthy' section is automatically generated, so Robert Spencer's idiotic boast that Michelle approved of his dishonest smear job was completely wrong.

That's reassuring.

151 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:03:12pm

re: #94 Gus 802

I can't find it right now, but earlier at Dresden, there was mention in German media of neo-Nazi groups using the slogan and symbolism of the Hitler Youth, "Blut und Ehre", Blood and Honor, and their connection to some of these very same characters. The neo-Nazi music scene also promotes a band named Blood and Honor that were involved in dust-ups in Belgium a couple years ago.

Meanwhile (Apr. 9) in Australia another connection to these groups got a defense contractor suspended.
Defense Contractor Suspended over Neo-Nazi Link

According to the Wikileaks private message trail it is claimed that Hanley has published a detailed online diary of her travels to Europe last year, which included attending several neo-Nazi skinhead gatherings, visiting Adolf Hitler's birthplace, placing flowers on his parents' grave and collecting Nazi memorabilia.

"Hearing/joining in with so many hundreds of people chanting Sieg Heil together is something that will stay with me forever," she allegedly wrote.

The online messages allegedly reveal that Hanley has also hosted international Blood & Honour activists at her house in Canberra and dated several neo-Nazi skinheads.

Blood & Honour, which promotes neo-Nazi music and events, was founded in Britain in 1987 and has been outlawed in Germany and Spain. Its Australian chapter is organising a pro-Hitler gig in Perth for Anzac Da

These shitheads are far more numerous than people want to admit.

152 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:04:12pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

The question arises: Can Spencer back away from this whole cesspool he's wallowing in (and tolerating in his comments section) far enough to save anything of the work he's done to tear the mask off the "Islam means peace" PC-MSM line of thought control?

He did yeoman service there, and was for a long time a voice of reason in the wilderness of the mythos upheld by, among others, Condi and Dubya.

But for Robert and his spectral sockpuppet Hugh there could be hope. It would require taking 300 steps back and honestly appraising what you're doing and who you're doing it with.

I'm not holding my breath, but one can hope. Dum spiro, spero.

I don't know - the problem is that once you get a little of the crazy or the evil on you, it's hard to ever get rid of the smell. I'm not saying there are no second acts in American lives, but still...

153 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:04:33pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

I give neither a better chance than the other of emerging from the cesspool. I believe RS thought his way into this, and PG reacted her way in.

154 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:05:07pm

re: #147 Charles

By the way, Michelle Malkin's 'Buzzworthy' section is automatically generated, so Robert Spencer's idiotic boast that Michelle approved of his dishonest smear job was completely wrong.

In other words he is happy to drag her into his fight.
What a pal he is.
*spits*

155 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:05:07pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

That's reassuring.

For now. Malkin (and HotAir) are still too close to the brink.

156 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:05:39pm

re: #151 JHW

I can't find it right now, but earlier at Dresden, there was mention in German media of neo-Nazi groups using the slogan and symbolism of the Hitler Youth, "Blut und Ehre", Blood and Honor, and their connection to some of these very same characters. The neo-Nazi music scene also promotes a band named Blood and Honor that were involved in dust-ups in Belgium a couple years ago.

Meanwhile (Apr. 9) in Australia another connection to these groups got a defense contractor suspended.
Defense Contractor Suspended over Neo-Nazi Link

These shitheads are far more numerous than people want to admit.

Great! Just when I had my paranoia under control, here it comes again! Stupid reality!

157 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:05:40pm

re: #146 Zimriel


yes, and now they can join hands and admire the MOVEMENT if not the actual leaders. . ."putting the humanity into the Nazi regime". . .spit!


This is the time of the long blog knives. . .so to speak. . .that is what I fear- and with the ability to turn off/contril the net under the guise of "cybersecurity" these idiots are setting the stage for the current freedom to express opinions to be removed, for our "protection" natch//

158 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:06:19pm

re: #154 DEZes

In other words he is happy to drag her into his fight.
What a pal he is.
*spits*

That was a misstep. Malkin can't be happy with this dead bird at her doorstep.

159 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:06:49pm

re: #158 Zimriel

That was a misstep. Malkin can't be happy with this dead bird at her doorstep.

I can haz redemption?

160 DisturbedEma  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:06:58pm

re: #158 Zimriel

That was a misstep. Malkin can't be happy with this dead bird at her doorstep.

I hope she offloads the crazy asap. . .

161 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:07:52pm
162 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:08:01pm

re: #158 Zimriel

That was a misstep. Malkin can't be happy with this dead bird at her doorstep.

Cant blame her, Spencer gets more sleazy by the minute.

163 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:08:50pm

re: #151 JHW

I can't find it right now, but earlier at Dresden, there was mention in German media of neo-Nazi groups using the slogan and symbolism of the Hitler Youth, "Blut und Ehre", Blood and Honor, and their connection to some of these very same characters. The neo-Nazi music scene also promotes a band named Blood and Honor that were involved in dust-ups in Belgium a couple years ago.

Meanwhile (Apr. 9) in Australia another connection to these groups got a defense contractor suspended.
Defense Contractor Suspended over Neo-Nazi Link

These shitheads are far more numerous than people want to admit.

This type of music plays a large role in the neo-Nazi youth populations. It's safe to say since we know have proof that Manfred Rhous was a part of that movement as displayed in his web site at signal-online dot de.

His admiration for this music is no accident. People that listen to this are a part of the neo-Nazi scene.

That the contractor was suspended is a good thing.

164 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:08:57pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

I give neither a better chance than the other of emerging from the cesspool. I believe RS thought his way into this, and PG reacted her way in.

It's pathetic that they think it's okay to join forces with people who threaten any one who is not like them and believe that they should eventually control the world to combat people who threaten any one who is not like them and believe they should eventually control the world.

165 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:10:08pm

Where do I sign up for the goose-stepping lessons? ;-)

166 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:11:09pm

re: #165 quickjustice

Where do I sign up for the goose-stepping lessons? ;-)

Atlas thugs, a blog.

167 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:11:16pm

Pam: "I'll take one of each."

168 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:11:22pm

re: #161 zuckerlilly

Rouhs is also a Holocaust denier

Imagine my shock!

Just thought of an new word that perfectly describes what the extremo blogosphere suffers from: blogorrhea.

Of course, it's already widely cited.

169 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:11:53pm
170 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:12:31pm

re: #169 Gus 802

And another CD collection found in Manfred Rouhs' website.

Could you just imagine the mind-bending combo of evil and suck that these guys' "mix tapes" to their girlfriends must be?

171 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:13:57pm

re: #170 Guanxi88

Could you just imagine the mind-bending combo of evil and suck that these guys' "mix tapes" to their girlfriends must be?

Do you think you'd catch some sort of disease from their i-Pods? Syphilis of the soul.

172 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:14:06pm

re: #111 vitoc

Yesssssss! Excellent. I mentioned in another post that in the past Rouhs was involved with selling openly nazi rock music. Here we have the nice proof now available, online, and not only stuff I could quote from books on the subjects. Here we gooooo:

[Link: web.archive.org...]

There is the nice compilation CD called "Sampler: Harte Zeiten - Harte Pflichten! Vol. 2" on which we can listen to lovely bands with names like "Klansmen" (which happens to be a side-project of Ian Stuart =>[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] )
Ken McLellan here's an interview with him which, uh, makes clear where he stands.... [Link: www.bloodandhonourcentral.co.uk...]

And we got Frank Rennicke's music => [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There isn't a SINGLE non-nazi recording for sale on this specific page.

Well, now we know where Obama will get his gift for Netanyahu.

173 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:14:10pm

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The USA and the taliban were united against a single enemy.
That work out well

The USA and Iraq were united against a single enemy.
That work out well

The USA and Russia were united against a single enemy.
That work out well

174 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:14:12pm

re: #125 DisturbedEma

DisturbedEma -

Go back to history. The NSDAP - to most Germans at the time - was a "Center Finger" In the Air to the British and French. I appreciate if not agree with that finger. World War I was - Militarily - fought to a DRAW. It was ended by an "Armistice" - The Imposed Treaty Came in Later (Versailles - 1919). The German, Austro-Hungarian, Turkish and Russian Empires ALL dissolved nearly simul-tan-eously. The British, French, Dutch and Belgian Empires survived - and BLEW - their chance to re-make the World. The USA grew up and became a World Power, like it or not. The rest is History, if not Archeology.

-S-

175 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:14:13pm

re: #170 Guanxi88

Could you just imagine the mind-bending combo of evil and suck that these guys' "mix tapes" to their girlfriends must be?

I'm sure they have their groupies of like mind.

No doubt this collection reflects the pre-branding of Manfred Rouhs.

176 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:15:27pm

re: #175 Gus 802

I'm sure they have their groupies of like mind.

No doubt this collection reflects the pre-branding of Manfred Rouhs.

It's sad but true - evil has a fan club.

177 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:15:29pm

re: #173 screaming_eagle

The road to hell is paved with good intension's, and bad.

178 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:16:56pm

re: #177 DEZes

The road to hell is paved with good intension's, and bad.

Yes, and History teaches us that we do not learn from history.

179 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:16:59pm

re: #177 DEZes

The road to hell is paved with good intension's, and bad.

Is that part of the Stimulus and Recovery Act? is that the infrastructure Barry was talking about - the road to hell?

180 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:17:08pm

re: #177 DEZes

The road to hell is paved with good intension's, and bad.

DEZes -

Good Intentions, and POTHOLES! That is all.

-S-

181 hellosnackbar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:17:19pm

re#42 Vitoc,
LeibeVitoc,
Eine herzlichen Wilkomen an diese Blog und vielen Dank fuer die fachliche Erlauerterung von europaischer Fascismus.
Besuchen Sie doch gleich wieder!wenn Charles eine Erklaerung solcher Sache braucht.(oder, selbstverstandliche irgendwelche Sache)
Viel Sparse im Auftrag von alle.


1

182 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:17:39pm

How much change can you handle?

It’s time to fundamentally change the way that we do business in Washington. To help build a new foundation for the 21st century, we need to reform our government so that it is more efficient, more transparent, and more creative. That will demand new thinking and a new sense of responsibility for every dollar that is spent. Earlier this week, I held my first Cabinet meeting and sent a clear message: cut what doesn’t work. Already, we’ve identified substantial savings. And in the days and weeks ahead, we will continue going through the budget line by line, and we’ll identify more than 100 programs that will be cut or eliminated.
183 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:17:45pm

OT:

Near pig flying moment-

New York Times runs a negative article on John Murtha:

House Heavyweight Feels Threat to Power


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

184 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:17:48pm

re: #177 DEZes

The road to hell is paved with good intension's, and bad.

And lots of plain old tension, too.

185 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:17:59pm

re: #179 Guanxi88

Is that part of the Stimulus and Recovery Act? is that the infrastructure Barry was talking about - the road to hell?

Its more like an expressway.
Only half adding a sarc. tag/

186 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #179 Guanxi88

Is that part of the Stimulus and Recovery Act? is that the infrastructure Barry was talking about - the road to hell?

I think he was planning on planting trees along the way for the carbon credits.

187 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:19:47pm

re: #186 screaming_eagle

I think he was planning on planting trees along the way for the carbon credits.

So Al Gore will get something out of it, too. Something for everyone.

188 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:20:40pm

Holy smoke. It's just one giant collection of Nationalist, skinhead and neo-Nazi music.

[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]
[Link: web.archive.org...]

Just so there's no doubt here's the welcome page:

Welcome to SIGNAL!

Thanks to the internet, nonconformists in Germany too have the chance to offer up-to-date news, information and opinions for anybody who wants to hear what they have to say. SIGNAL offers you the national political spectrum in Germany and lays siege to the information monopoly of the ruling elite. Every day we bring you news, reports, interviews and information which you will not find anywhere else.

A political information service costs money. We can only do our work with the support of several thousand subscribers at the least. Part of our web pages are therefore only accessible for subscribers. A subscription costs € 15,-- in Germany or outside Germany € 20,--. In addition to your personal access key to our web pages you will receive the printed version of our magazine including some articles not published on the internet.

Although we takes sides we are tolerant of other sides an we do not question the right of everyone who respects the law to express his or her opinions freely. That is why you will find links to political opponents on our web pages. The World Wide Web will not be without influence in the years to come on the German political landscape. The flow of information will become faster, barriers are starting to grumble already. Patriots of all people have absolutely nothing to fear from the competition of ideas.

Manfred Rouhs, Editor of SIGNAL

189 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:21:03pm

re: #182 jcm

jcm -

Was that Actually Obama? Please advise. When Pres. Obama cuts OR cuts OUT a program NOT related to National Defense - I WILL BE IMPRESSED! That is all.

-S-

190 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:21:58pm

re: #69 Lynn B.

Oh brother. Pamela is screen capturing comments here ... ~hi pam~ ... accusing Charles of "threatening" Michelle Malkin. And Spencer has posted yet another update calling Charles a "thug" and asking how "decent people" can stand by him. If that doesn't take the cake ...

Spencer has exposed himself in a very bad way here. It's easy of course, for him and Geller to whip their little circle of fans into a frenzy of outrage, but that isn't going to help them.

191 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:22:03pm

re: #169 Gus 802

The titles of some of the individual albums and songs show where his sympathies lie. Album "IM Zeichen des Sieges"- song 7 "Weisses Madchen"=White Girl. "An der Zeit #7 "Skinhead Girl". "Geld regiert die Welt", Money runs the World, #3 "Kriegen in den Strassen", Struggles in the Street. #7 "Schwartzer Mann", Black Man. "Unsere Stunde"-Our Hour,- #4"Weisse Kampfer"=White Fighter on and on.

192 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:23:38pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Signal was the title of the Nazi propaganda magazine for foreigners. Coincidence...I don't think so.

193 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:23:44pm

re: #188 Gus 802

That's the exact same welcome note as at nation24!

194 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:24:07pm

re: #191 JHW

Those are the ones. All over the place too. I provided the links to his traditional Nationalist music. The majority is modern and includes a great deal of skinhead and related music.

195 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:24:26pm

re: #161 zuckerlilly

Zucker, did you look at the second part of that vid you linked in the other thread?

Thirty-eight seconds in. A look in the face of the type that is attracted to these groups.

You can smell the Hass and the Angstschweiß right through the screen...

196 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:24:35pm

re: #193 Sharmuta

That's the exact same welcome note as at nation24!

It is? Even better.

We got this bastard.

197 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #189 Dr. Shalit

jcm -

Was that Actually Obama? Please advise. When Pres. Obama cuts OR cuts OUT a program NOT related to National Defense - I WILL BE IMPRESSED! That is all.

-S-

Obama cuts:

Increase budget by a Trillion $$$$$, decrease $100 million from each depart for total decrease of $1.6 billion, or about 0.1% = cuts and a fundamental change.

198 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:25:16pm

re: #196 Gus 802

It is? Even better.

We got this bastard.

Great! Now what?

199 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:25:45pm

A comment from David T on the Pro Koln thread at Harry's Place:

I’ve got to say, I find the decline of the Right in the US a truely tragic sight. I wrote about it last week, so I won’t rehash all the arguments.

Just to say: although I’ve never moved from centre Left social democracy, I have always had friends who have been on the centre Right who I’ve considered largely right on most of the issues that matter - and now they’re about to come to power in Britain.

By contrast, in the US, there seems to be a slide - or various slides - into political cretinism and worse.

I can’t think of a more depressing vista.

When the Tories were out of power in Britain, they angsted about European federalism. They never formed alliances with Nazis.

200 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:25:55pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

Great! Now what?

We wait. ;)

Actually, might be a good idea to get some screen shots.

201 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #196 Gus 802

It is? Even better.

We got this bastard.

Yes it is:

Thanks to the internet, nonconformists in Germany too have the chance to offer up-to-date news, information and opinions for anybody who wants to hear what they have to say. nation24.de offers you the national political spectrum in Germany and lays siege to the information monopoly of the ruling elite. Every day we bring you news, reports, interviews and information which you will not find anywhere else.

A political information service costs money. We can only do our work with the support of several thousand subscribers at the least. Part of our web pages are therefore only accessible for subscribers. A subscription costs Euro 15,-- in Germany or outside Germany Euro 20,--. In addition to your personal access key to our web pages you will receive the printed version of our magazine including some articles not published on the internet.

Although we takes sides we are tolerant of other sides an we do not question the right of everyone who respects the law to express his or her opinions freely. That is why you will find links to political opponents on our web pages. The World Wide Web will not be without influence in the years to come on the German political landscape. The flow of information will become faster, barriers are starting to grumble already. Patriots of all people have absolutely nothing to fear from the competition of ideas.

202 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:28:15pm

re: #193 Sharmuta

That's the exact same welcome note as at nation24!

You are a sharp eyed blue......
Smurfette.;)

203 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:28:45pm

re: #197 jcm

Obama cuts:

Increase budget by a Trillion $$$$$, decrease $100 million from each depart for total decrease of $1.6 billion, or about 0.1% = cuts and a fundamental change.

I read "And in the days and weeks ahead, we will continue going through the budget line by line, and we’ll identify more than 100 programs that will be cut or eliminated." to mean red "states will starve".

204 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:29:03pm

I knew this would be next -- now I'm getting email from people trying to make excuses for all the Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Manfred Rouhs' website.

Sir,

If you translate the subhead on the CD, you'll find it says "the
betrayed generation"

Perhaps it's not what you think. . .?

205 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:29:41pm

re: #197 jcm

Obama cuts:

Increase budget by a Trillion $$$$$, decrease $100 million from each depart for total decrease of $1.6 billion, or about 0.1% = cuts and a fundamental change.

Good thing he didn't cut out the 8.6 billion in earmarks contained in the last bill.

206 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:30:10pm

re: #204 Charles

I knew this would be next -- now I'm getting email from people trying to make excuses for all the Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Manfred Rouhs' website.

Typical Nazi reaction.

This is to be expected.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:01pm

I'm back. Got distracted. What's going on?

208 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:01pm

The original, "Signal", no doubt an inspiration judging from the contents of the new iteration.
Signal

209 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:05pm

re: #204 Charles

I knew this would be next -- now I'm getting email from people trying to make excuses for all the Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Manfred Rouhs' website.

Exactly. Who wouldn't want to memorialize the songs and slogans and so forth of the worst, most abominable dictatorship in Europe? Perfectly natural nostalgia for the glorious days of yore - the smart uniforms, the orderly and efficient camps, etc.

///

210 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:39pm

re: #204 Charles

I knew this would be next -- now I'm getting email from people trying to make excuses for all the Nazi paraphernalia on sale at Manfred Rouhs' website.

On just posted on the Buchanan thread too.

211 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:43pm

Message to Pres. Obama -

BE THE "SCOOP" as in Jackson. Have two (2) TERMS, AT LEAST. Continue to be an "Alinsky" Democrat, and HAVE ONE TERM. Mr. President, YOU MAKE THE CALL. That is all.

-S-

212 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:57pm

Am I a bad person to be laughing so hard at this thoroughgoing de-pantsing? Dummkopfführer Rouhs has been exposed as a merchant of Nazi music and Nazi books to the German Nazi market.

But no, according to noted scholar and journalist Robert Spencer; Rouhs has "no neo-Nazi connections" and "is not an extremist". Well, gee, Robert, if all these don't count as "neo-Nazi connections" and personal "extremism", then what does? Does the man have to share prostitutes with Max Mosley at the Bitburg site for you to notice?

213 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:31:57pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

Er- "On" should be "one".

214 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:32:04pm

re: #205 screaming_eagle

Good thing he didn't cut out the 8.6 billion in earmarks contained in the last bill.

If anyone ran a budget the way congress does, they'd end up in jail.

215 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:32:32pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Typical Nazi reaction.

This is to be expected.

See, but this shows they KNOW what they're doing is wrong. This makes them evil, not sick. A sick man wouldn't even try to raise a defense; to him, it would seem natural, like breathing or remembering a first love.

No, these guys KNOW they've sided with evil; they've chosen it, freely.

216 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:32:39pm

re: #197 jcm

Obama cuts:

Increase budget by a Trillion $$$$$, decrease $100 million from each depart for total decrease of $1.6 billion, or about 0.1% = cuts and a fundamental change.

jcm -

Thought so. That is all.

-S-

217 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:33:05pm

The more they stir, the more it stinks.

218 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:33:20pm

In case someone wants to write a dossier on Rouhs... Here's yet another bit of dirt on him - as if any further was needed. But in case of any doubt, you want your dossier to be good and as damning as humanly possible.

So here we go. As was already discussed here, Rouhs was quite involved with the nazi rock business. One shorter avenue he went in 1993 was to found a youth magazine focusing on this kind of shit, together with a guy called Torsten Lemmer, who had just before that been involved with a magazine of the FAP => [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It did not last long, Rouhs left the project after only a month (I suspect because Lemmer is an utter dickhead, not only because of his political opinions, but also just in general) but the attempt is what counts here. Rouhs was without any reasonable doubt aware of the nature of the FAP. More on Torsten Lemmer here, note especially the part about him as a music producer, we learn about how he threatened democratically elected politicians and as a result got a ban to enter the Düsseldorf city hall: [Link: de.wikipedia.org...]

219 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:33:40pm

re: #215 Guanxi88

See, but this shows they KNOW what they're doing is wrong. This makes them evil, not sick. A sick man wouldn't even try to raise a defense; to him, it would seem natural, like breathing or remembering a first love.

No, these guys KNOW they've sided with evil; they've chosen it, freely.

Anyone that defends this is a collaborator as far as I'm concerned. They have, as you said, decided to side with evil.

220 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:33:49pm

We're not really Nazis! We're really just admirers of the cinematic technique employed in "Triumph of the Will". ;-)

221 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:34:01pm

re: #217 swamprat

The more they stir, the more it stinks.

They are what they stir.

222 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:34:37pm

And now, right on cue, up pops a real honest-to-goodness Holocaust denier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

223 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:34:56pm

re: #217 swamprat

The more they stir, the more it stinks.

The deeper we dig the more we find!

224 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:35:53pm

re: #222 Charles

And now, right on cue, up pops a real honest-to-goodness Holocaust denier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Nice Nic he had - the pseudonym of the housewife who wrote Paladin Press' infamous "Hit Man: A Manual for Independent Contractors", all about how to be a hit-man and kill folk for profit.

pathetic, and evil.

225 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:36:09pm

re: #223 Gus 802

The deeper we dig the more we find!

A never-failing bran-tub of evil.

226 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:36:45pm

re: #204 Charles
Those people are really pathetic. I am curious how Spencer and Geller will react.

227 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:36:53pm

The signal site is still up and running but it directs you to the nation24 web page.

[Link: www.signal-online.de...]

228 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:36:53pm

re: #218 vitoc

I was reading this morning of a youth magazine called Objektiv. Here's a story on them. The story makes it seem as though this is Rouhs' magazine, or it's pro-koln's. Is that true?

229 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:37:25pm

re: #222 Charles

And now, right on cue, up pops a real honest-to-goodness Holocaust denier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I feel soiled from reading that.

230 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:39:22pm

Maybe it's a failing of mine, but I try as much as I can to avoid learning about these genocidal thugs, both of the NSDAP and allied type, and of the head-chopping islamist type. This is for two reasons:
1) it's depressing as all hell to know people are walking around with souls that twisted;
2) it feeds into an unhealthy paranoia on my part.

I think many folk might very well start out being decent and concerned about this stuff, and sort of drift over into extremism, as a consequence of reason # 2 cited above. The thing is, you've got to detect the drift before it starts to get out of hand; some people fail to do so, and end up at least as crazy as the ones they fear.

231 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:40:36pm

That fellow failed to notice the distinction between Amazon which sells every imaginable book and recording available and a niche dealer that sells nothing but nationalistic and neo-Nazi crap.

232 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:40:54pm

Same servers.

Traceroute to [Link: www.signal-online.de...]

89.110.131.123 AS24989
IXEUROPE-DE-FRANKFURT-ASN
[Reached Destination]eco3061.ncsrv.de. -1 miles [+0] 55 DE Unix: 0:37:40.155

Traceroute to [Link: www.pro-koeln-online.de...]

89.110.131.123 AS24989
IXEUROPE-DE-FRANKFURT-ASN
[Reached Destination]eco3061.ncsrv.de. -1 miles [+0] 57 DE Unix: 0:38:22.409

233 MacGregor  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:40:59pm

re: #222 Charles

Wow. That's like being at the zoo. I remember feeling this way talking to Spanish Jew-hating socialists over the webz in 2004.

Does David Horowitz have anything to say about this?

Also, should we be concerned someone might be noting ip addresses of visitors to these cesspool sights? Would an anonymizer be a good idea?

/appreciate the hard work. I've informed more than a few non-blog reading friends about these issues.

234 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:41:17pm

re: #228 Sharmuta

I was reading this morning of a youth magazine called Objektiv. Here's a story on them. The story makes it seem as though this is Rouhs' magazine, or it's pro-koln's. Is that true?


Yes, it's from pro-Köln's youth-division. Here's their leader.

235 summergurl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:41:47pm

re: #231 JHW

That fellow failed to notice the distinction between Amazon which sells every imaginable book and recording available and a niche dealer that sells nothing but nationalistic and neo-Nazi crap.

HE was just trying to distract us from the real point.

//oh look! Something shiny!

236 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:41:55pm

re: #231 JHW

That fellow failed to notice the distinction between Amazon which sells every imaginable book and recording available and a niche dealer that sells nothing but nationalistic and neo-Nazi crap.

Wasnt the sharpest knife in the drawer was he.

237 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:42:19pm

re: #224 Guanxi88

Nice Nic he had - the pseudonym of the housewife who wrote Paladin Press' infamous "Hit Man: A Manual for Independent Contractors", all about how to be a hit-man and kill folk for profit.

pathetic, and evil.

Sick bastard, I thought the name was vaguely familiar.

238 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:42:48pm

re: #228 Sharmuta

Yes, "Objektiv" is definitely related to Rouhs/Pro Köln.

239 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:42:49pm

re: #222 Charles

And now, right on cue, up pops a real honest-to-goodness Holocaust denier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Well, the holocaust denier was on the right thread... Pat Buchanan.

240 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:45:46pm

re: #234 gegenkritik

re: #238 vitoc

Thanks! Hard to find decent links when I don't speak or read the language.

241 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:45:58pm

I wonder if some of the songs on the CD are in this Vlaams Belang youth group liederboek?
Image: zangavondii.gif

242 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:47:02pm

re: #241 Thanos

I wonder if some of the songs on the CD are in this Vlaams Belang youth group liederboek?
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

No doubt.

243 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:48:13pm

re: #242 Gus 802

No doubt.

Gwen Steffani's on a neo-nazi CD? //////

244 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:48:48pm

re: #241 Thanos

I wonder if some of the songs on the CD are in this Vlaams Belang youth group liederboek?
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

Jeez! What a pathetic looking crew! Makes you wish they took up something healthier - maybe get a nice drug habit or something; anything but that!

245 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:49:11pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

Gwen Steffani's on a neo-nazi CD? //////

Don't Speak such nonsense. She's Just a Girl.

246 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:49:57pm

re: #244 Guanxi88

They'll probably get some Odin Cross and Lightning Bolt tattoos so they can feel like bad-asses.

247 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:02pm

re: #218 vitoc

OK Vitoc, and Everyone Else -

I am Fatalistic when it Comes to Europe. Europe has much Jewish and "Other" Blood on its hands. Europe did what it seemed to Europe it HAD to do considering the peoples and the times. I Disagree, AND will accept that fact as a fact from the European Viewpoint at the Time.
As of NOW, EUROPE - All'y'all have traded the lives of assimilable Jews, about 60 years ago for those of UN-ASSIMILABLE MUSLIMS TODAY. Think About it Europe, "WHO WON?" That is all.

-S-

248 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:07pm

re: #11 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's merely a case of mis-translation.
The title is really the Horst Wassail Song.
Christmas music, doncha know?!

///

Horst Wassail roasting on an open fire...Jack Frost nipping...aww ta hell with it...:)

/S

249 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:31pm

More.

Look through the directory of Manfred Rhous' signal dot de web site.

It's not very difficult to navigate. I noticed an image of Edgar Julius Jung:

Edgar Julius Jung (March 6, 1894 – July 1, 1934) was a German lawyer from Ludwigshafen, in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. He was a leader of the Conservative Revolutionary movement, which stood not only in opposition to the Weimar Republic, whose parliamentarian system he considered decadent and foreign-imposed, but also to the mass movement of Nazism.

250 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:37pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Holy smoke. It's just one giant collection of Nationalist, skinhead and neo-Nazi music.

[Link: web.archive.org...]
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Just so there's no doubt here's the welcome page:

Such crap made him a millionaire.

251 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:52:30pm

re: #250 zuckerlilly

Such crap made him a millionaire.

It did?

I'm looking through this site and am about ready to drop the neo from neo-Nazi on this guy.

252 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:53:47pm

re: #248 Dustyvet

Horst Wassail roasting on an open fire...Jack Frost nipping...aww ta hell with it...:)

/S

Hitler got run over by a panzer...coming home from Hess's house on Christmas Eve...Blech...:P

/S

253 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:54:05pm

re: #251 Gus 802

It did?

I'm looking through this site and am about ready to drop the neo from neo-Nazi on this guy.

Yes, it did. Disgusting.

254 BaseballMom57  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:56:02pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea of Liza gaining more fame for Cabaret than Joel Grey (who is/was absolute genius) never ceases to amaze me.

I agree - he was the best one in the whole movie. Did you see him on "HOUSE" last season? Should have been nominated for an Emmy.

255 avanti  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:58:17pm

re: #222 Charles

And now, right on cue, up pops a real honest-to-goodness Holocaust denier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I was OK with his first paragraph where he tries to make a point that is insignificant. Maybe 6 million were not gassed, maybe some were staved, shot or worked to death and "only" a few million were gassed. Quibbling about the manner of their murder is a pointless argument.
Then he went off the reservation with his Amazon argument.

256 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:59:18pm

Der Skin, das unverstandene Wesen

Not a very good translation using Google. Defense of skinheads by Manfred Rouhs:

There are skinheads, big and small, thick and thin, political and apolitical, right and left, SHARPS (skinheads against racial prejudice ") and Nazi-skins, and now also a skinhead unwilling: the CDU general secretary Laurenz Meyer. Significant than the rhetorical gaffe of Jürgen Trittin, Meyer, as it were 20 years younger and made him as a representative of a very lively Jugendkultur ennobled, is the reaction of the political class to, in fact, offered no objective expression.

"Skinhead" is the collective term for racist racket has become. A term that triggers the Pavlovian reflexes, with the police in the arm that swings the stick, and the politicians in the language center, which produces incantations. Obviously, also more or less educated people are not enemies from without. Would it not skinheads in Germany that a ministry should be established, the young man as anlernt Skins - because nobody else would have been longer here, the blame for the failure of the political directive to become multicultural utopia in the shoes could be shelved.

Indeed, the skinhead in normally peaceful, industrious and decent towards everyone, even in tolerant towards other people, which - as Laurenz Meyer - collar and tie in with the area or run - as Jürgen Trittin - their hair beyond the two-millimeter limit to get a grip. He is committed to his country and the working class and has so far cosmopolitan tendencies, as he is more solidarity with the Skins in other countries, as with the tables in their own country, the gape him because he looks different than they are.

That it is also anti-social club with a bald head, is mainly due to the mass media, which have produced a cliché, which is spiritually poor nachgelebt. This media cliché is in the public Warnehmung entirely on the content for the term "skinhead" has become. In this respect, the current outrage is not the real skinheads. The call for the prosecutor sounds, because Laurenz Meyer Familiar with a ghost has been compared.

"Hui Buh" (the castle ghost with a rusty chain rattle) for adults, the devil out of the box. The absolute evil. - A cult, which surely will not die unless he causes such violent reactions.

257 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:00:57pm

re: #256 Gus 802

Indeed, the skinhead in normally peaceful, industrious and decent towards everyone, even in tolerant towards other people

Wow! What is he smoking?!

258 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:02:39pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

Wow! What is he smoking?!

Crack.

259 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:09:36pm

re: #256 Gus 802

That's incredibly disingenuous of him. He's using the existence of 'antifa' and politically neutral skinheads to offset criticism of the kind of skinhead he likes - the nazi kind.

260 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:14:04pm

More craziness from Manfred Rhous circa 2000.

U.S. missile strike: Terror and counter-terror

by Manfred Rouhs

More than 70 cruise missiles fired American warships in 1998 to destinations in Afghanistan. Six other U.S. aircraft bombs destroyed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan, including chemical weapons have been manufactured to be. At least 27 people died in those attacks, including a Pakistani, which is coincidentally the target of American weapons to Afghan territory was halted. Several civilian deaths a U.S. missile that his goal failed in Afghanistan and detonated on Pakistani soil.

There is no evidence that the persons killed by the bomb attacks on the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam on 7 August 1998, representing more than 250 deaths - most of them are not Americans - were asked, in a context anyway. Wire-puller of the two assassination attempts, the Islamic fundamentalist and multi-millionaire Osama bin Laden, whose Afghan district of the American attack was focused. Most deaths in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were people who happened to be in the vicinity of the U.S. embassies or who had lived in the neighborhood derern. Even the victims of the U.S. cruise missile was random. Who in the factory in Sudan was his job, who is currently in Afghanistan, in the wrong area stayed, had the bad luck and lost his life. Osama bin Laden, however, is in good health and met again on Friday against new threats from the U.S.: "The war has begun. The Americans should wait for the answer."

The Wall Street war against Islamic fundamentalism knows no rules. Anyone can contribute to his victim. Only interests include: - the UN, international law and "world community" to play only in the propaganda of Western mass media have a role, but not in real political life. This was the 20th August 1998 once again demonstrated. "Unfortunately, this is the war of the future, and we have the need for sustained operations view," said U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. She had the early 90s until Iraq the green light for the attack on Kuwait, where, then this operation blessing of America as a reason for military intervention by the "international community" to quote the Gulf. The lady Zynikerin to a cold call, would be flattered.

Rightly outraged the American public about arbitrary attacks like those of Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, where a majority of innocent people have fallen victim to. The American world policeman but shooting aimlessly into the crowd, in which the perpetrators of terror suspects, with whom he wants to break against terror. Bill Clinton introduces itself with Osama bin Laden in the same moral level. It would be disingenuous to a statesman, but the other terrorist ones.

Wall Street has been in the hands of terrorist and counter-terror to an end. It must abandon its claim, economic, military and political power over almost the entire world to exercise. As long as America wants foreign nations what to do and what to leave as long as the "last superpower" Africans and Arabs dictate the conditions under which the raw material wealth of their country must have, it is also political and military / terrorist resistance to the U.S.. America has not a few religious fanatics declared war, but a significant percentage of the world. "Down with the U.S.," cried thousands of demonstrators in Nairobi. Where are the demonstrations of solidarity with the German left "oppressed peoples in the Third World"?

261 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:02pm

S.H.A.R.P. skinheads. The kind that Rouhs and his nazi chums would not like to meet in a dark alley.

262 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:37pm

re: #259 Jimmah

That's incredibly disingenuous of him. He's using the existence of 'antifa' and politically neutral skinheads to offset criticism of the kind of skinhead he likes - the nazi kind.

Seems to be a pattern.

263 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:16:06pm

re: #260 Gus 802

The Wall Street war against Islamic fundamentalism knows no rules.

Fucking hypocrite!

264 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:16:54pm

re: #263 Sharmuta

Fucking hypocrite!

I see you noticed that too. That's a rant against the United States.

265 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:24:00pm

re: #263 Sharmuta

Fucking hypocrite!


"Wall Street" is a synonym for "Jews" in the neo-Nazi scene. Wall street and east coast are the preferred synonyms for Jews.

266 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:25:53pm

re: #265 zuckerlilly

"Wall Street" is a synonym for "Jews" in the neo-Nazi scene. Wall street and east coast are the preferred synonyms for Jews.

Correct.

267 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:28:17pm

I wonder how much money Spencer and Geller were offered to attend the Pro Koln conference?

That could be one big reason for their insane over-reactions.

268 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:29:28pm

One thing I've learned in my life -- when someone is acting in a way that seems irrational, it almost always boils down to one of two reasons: money or sex.

269 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:38:24pm

re: #268 Charles

One thing I've learned in my life -- when someone is acting in a way that seems irrational, it almost always boils down to one of two reasons: money or sex.

Would have to be speaker fees on the part of Spencer.

270 OldLineTexan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:39:27pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

Gwen Steffani's on a neo-nazi CD? //////

Maybe she went to a Tea Party.

271 sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:41:51pm

Man I used to enjoy reading Spencer's books but I just can see any credibility left for him. It's too bad since I gleaned a lot of info from his writing. I now have to reevaluate that information.

272 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:42:01pm

re: #268 Charles

One thing I've learned in my life -- when someone is acting in a way that seems irrational, it almost always boils down to one of two reasons: money or sex.

Charles, one of the two sees herself as a new Oriana Falacci and is eager to become a political celebrity. Look at me! I'm the center of the world! Money would fit for the other one.

273 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:43:18pm

re: #268 Charles

One thing I've learned in my life -- when someone is acting in a way that seems irrational, it almost always boils down to one of two reasons: money or sex.

True, but I think ideology, or religion can do it too. Perhaps not a pleasant thought, but a mixture of all four could easily be on the cards here, if you ask me.

274 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:45:00pm

re: #271 sleepyone

Man I used to enjoy reading Spencer's books but I just can't see any credibility left for him. It's too bad since I gleaned a lot of info from his writing. I now have to reevaluate that information.

PIMF

275 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:46:06pm

re: #272 zuckerlilly

Charles, one of the two sees herself as a new Oriana Falacci and is eager to become a political celebrity. Look at me! I'm the center of the world!

"Fame, fame, fatal fame - it can do hideous things to the brain"

-The Smiths

276 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:52:36pm

re: #275 Jimmah

"Fame, fame, fatal fame - it can do hideous things to the brain"

-The Smiths

"Just shut your mouth,
How can you say,
I go about things the wrong way."

277 slicerdicer  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:54:52pm

[Ed. note: this user account has been blocked.]

I find this post dripping with paranoia. Nazi this and nazi that. They are and were evil people. However, we all have to admit the nazi’s kept great records. They number all their victims. The group that seems to get a free pass is the communist. They didn’t bother keeping any records. They just shot their people, buried their people alive, starved their people and disposed of anyone with an opposing idea or opinion. Mass graves of the communist murdered victims are showing up as I write.

278 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:57:20pm

If we're still investigating Rouhs's library, there's a Holocaust-apologetic in it : Dirk Bavendamm, Roosevelts Krieg. From The Nation, 11/8/1999-

His [first] book Roosevelt's Way to War (Roosevelts Weg zum Krieg) was published in 1983. Rewriting history, he stated that Roosevelt, not Hitler, had caused World War II. He also wrote that American Jews "controlled most of the media," and he claimed they gave a false picture of Hitler.
...
In a second book, Roosevelt's War (published in 1993, reissued in 1998), Bavendamm accuses the US President of enacting a plan to start World War II. In the same book he suggests that Hitler's threats in early 1939 against European Jewry were a reaction to Roosevelt's strategy against Germany.
279 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:59:57pm

re: #277 slicerdicer

Bye now. I suggest you peddle your wares at Stormfront where they will be more receptive.

280 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:04:39pm

re: #267 Charles

I wonder how much money Spencer and Geller were offered to attend the Pro Koln conference?

That could be one big reason for their insane over-reactions.


I don't think that's very likely. Unlike Vlaams Belang, pro-Köln is still a very small, provincial group which has hardly the financial resources to pay the flight and hotel for Spencer and Geller.
In fact, this marginalized pro-Köln that will gain less than 5% of votes in the next elections for the city council (latest polls) isn't a real political danger, but it could become one if prominents like Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are promoting them.
So, ironically, it's more important that LGF is exposing about them in the USA than others doing so in Germany, where the much bigger problem is a radical anti-American and anti-Israelian society (last year, more than 50,000 people were partly violently demonstrating against pro-Köln).

281 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:05:15pm

re: #277 slicerdicer

[Ed. note: this user account has been blocked.]

I find this post dripping with paranoia. Nazi this and nazi that. They are and were evil people. However, we all have to admit the nazi’s kept great records. They number all their victims. The group that seems to get a free pass is the communist. They didn’t bother keeping any records. They just shot their people, buried their people alive, starved their people and disposed of anyone with an opposing idea or opinion. Mass graves of the communist murdered victims are showing up as I write.

WTF?

282 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:11:34pm

Found another one. Rouhs is selling Johannes Rogalla von Bieberstein, Der jüdische Bolschewismus. Mythos und Realität. This old-school book about "Jew Bolshevism" got trashed in Neue Westfälische 11 Nov, 2003.

I mention it here because Lew Rockwell then got involved; or, at least, the "antiZionist" polemicist Paul Gottfried contributed his musings to Lew Rockwell's site in an article entitled "Odious Germans".

283 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:13:14pm

Rouhs's library reads like a who's-who of Holocaust apologetic.

I'm still floored that he dared sell two books by a Waffen SS veteran of both Dachau and the Ghetto liquidation.

284 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:17:30pm

One completely off-topic question: I saw that some LGF-commenters have a "LGF-mail" when I click on their nickname and they don't have entered an URL there. Can everyone use this feature?

285 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:22:49pm

re: #284 gegenkritik

One completely off-topic question: I saw that some LGF-commenters have a "LGF-mail" when I click on their nickname and they don't have entered an URL there. Can everyone use this feature?

Yes, that's what the little checkbox that says "Show email" does. If you click it, your email address is available to other users through the "safe mail" page.

I keep meaning to upgrade this feature, but haven't yet found the time.

286 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:28:56pm

re: #285 Charles
Ah, I see, thanks.
I am just finding out new features at LGF every day. In addition to the content, the style of this site is pretty cool.

287 JHW  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:44:01pm

re: #277 slicerdicer

"Look over there, look over there" , how come you don't post about Tamerlane, he made pyramids of human heads? ////

288 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:17:21pm

Some good information here:

NETWORK AGAINST NAZIS "KNOW" ROUHS, MANFRED

Who they are
Rouhs, Manfred

Manfred Rouhs (born 1965) is Chairman of the Federal right-wing "pro D" and publicist.

As a teenager involved in the Manfred Rouhs CDU youth organization Young Union, but then opted for the NPD youth organization Young National Democrats (JN). In 1984 in the journal The rural populace of Thies Christophersen Auschwitzleugners a reader's letter published by "Manfred Rouhs, Krefeld" was drawn. "In the 3rd Reich were, it said there" is not 6 million Jews gassed or otherwise murdered, "and" also the 2nd World War, we Germans are not in debt. " Nevertheless, says the letter writer, he is speaking against a "do not live right" Nazi ideology - but for a "democratic and socialist new nationalism."

From 1985 to 1987 held office as Rouhs JN-chairman in North Rhine-Westphalia. 1987, he was the party is on the Rise The Republicans for which it is 1989 in the Cologne city council place. In 1991, he joined the German League for People and Homeland (DLVH). 1994 he lost his mandate. 2004, Rouhs again in the Cologne city council that this time on the list of group Pro Cologne.

The publisher, author and currently Pro Cologne as a Group Managing Director Born in Krefeld active role since the eighties as a publisher of several magazines. 1987 appeared the first edition of his extreme right-Journal Europe in front of about ten years later was renamed in signal. Since 2003, appears Rouhs' leaf - since 1987, always in continuous numbering - with the title nation.24 out. About Rouhs' shipping are also books, films and Music available.

289 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:18:34pm

NETWORK AGAINST NAZIS "KNOW" BEISICHT, MARKUS

Who they are
Beisicht, Markus

Markus Beisicht (born 1963) is Chairman of the extreme right civic association Pro Cologne. At the founding congress of Pro North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW Pro) in September 2007, he was also their chairman.

Besides his official activity occurs Beisicht scene as a lawyer in appearance. So he sued in August 2006 on behalf of the Brandenburg Ministry of the Interior banned neo-Nazi organization "Bund Germany protection" against the ban decision. Even the well-known neo-Nazis supraregional Axel Reitz, Christian Malcocci, Daniela Wegener and Michael Krick are among the clients of his law firm.

From 1984 to 1987 Mark was Chairman of the Federal Beisicht Freedom Ring students (RFS), in 1977 by members of the Cologne Burschenschaft Germania was founded. 1988, he joined the Republicans (REP) in Cologne and was the district chairman, and later also of the Assessor federal REP. In 1989, he was on the list REP in the Cologne city council elected by the Group was not long preserved. Two years later Beisicht belonged to the group - including its involvement - newly founded extreme right party National League for Germans and home (DLVH). For the DLVH he sat until 1994 in the Council of the City of Cologne, and grew even DLVH state chairman and a member of the federal on. The DLVH was begun, the extreme fragmentation of rights under its management to a.

After the failure of the DLVH saddled Beisicht to Pro Cologne order, whose founders and initiators it counts. Since 2004 he has been its Chairman. With Pro NRW wants Beisicht 2010 the jump in the North Rhine-Westphalia Landtag create. .

Pro Cologne 2004 was already in municipal successful. The right-wing went with five members and thus in Group strength in the Council of the city. Since 2007 Pro Cologne caused by the activities against the construction of a large mosque in Cologne-Ehrenfeld for nationwide headlines. Last, the organization of a controversial conference "Against Islamization" to implement, but on the broad opposition of Kölner scheitete population.

In the municipalities of North Rhine-Westphalia, about a dozen flavors of Pro-Cologne was founded in 2009 in the municipal applies to. Beisicht itself occurs in Cologne as a candidate, because he wants to prevent that "we will soon Paris circumstances get in Cologne. The project of integration of all foreigners has failed," he announced in an "Open letter to all citizens of Cologne", 25 February 2008.

Beisicht leads alongside the 2007 Pro Cologne citizens' movement, founded Pro NRW, which aims to feed in 2010 is Düsseldorfer Landtag. Closest contacts Cologne Pro and Pro NRW to the extreme right party Vlaams Belang (VB) in Belgium and the Austrian Freedom Party (FPÖ). Pro and Pro NRW Cologne distance themselves from the NPD. Nevertheless Beisicht stood the NPD party newspaper "German vote" in July 2007 speech and answer.

At the European level seems to be the delineation of right-wing parties for the right-wing no role to play: On 26 September 2007 informed the extreme right-wing group "Identity - Tradition - Sovereignty" (ITS) in the European Parliament over a meeting organized by their right-wing parties, groups and individuals in Strasbourg. Apart from party functionaries of the NPD, DVU and Beisicht Republicans had also participated at the meeting.

290 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:53:40pm
291 jmmejzz  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:54:53pm

Point taken but their seems to be a wide variety of titles for sale from paratrooper songs, Jewish heroes in German history, to 4 Noam Chomsky titles, to how incompetent the CIA is to how the CIA was behind 9/11. Stereotyping is a risky business.

292 American Sabra  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:56:18pm

re: #255 avanti
I don't even know where to begin to address this insanity. The Nazis were huge with euthanasia programs for their "undesirables" which eventually culminated in millions of Jews being forced into gas chambers disguised as showers. It simply was easier, "cleaner" for them instead of shooting them which was getting too messy or starving them which was taking too long. Many millions of people were killed this way. All? No not ALL. Who says ALL. No one but the anti-Semites. Because then they can say, "Aha! The Jews are liars! Not all were gassed!"

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

The poster's complaint was "You can't talk about the Holocaust intelligently anymore". That sentence, spewed over and over by anti-Semites everywhere really means, "Why won't you let us rewrite history?"

293 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:04:36pm

re: #268 Charles

One thing I've learned in my life -- when someone is acting in a way that seems irrational, it almost always boils down to one of two reasons: money or sex.

We already know it's the money- Baron already said so. It may not be they're getting paid for this speaking gig, but it most assuredly hurts them every time you expose their little nazi friends.

294 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:11:07pm

re: #291 jmmejzz

Point taken but their seems to be a wide variety of titles for sale from paratrooper songs, Jewish heroes in German history, to 4 Noam Chomsky titles, to how incompetent the CIA is to how the CIA was behind 9/11. Stereotyping is a risky business.

"Stereotyping?" This is a joke, right? Or maybe you missed the dozens and dozens of links to other evidence of Manfred Rouhs' Nazi associations in this thread, and in the other posts on the subject?

295 jaunte  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:20:01pm

re: #291 jmmejzz

Point taken but their seems to be a wide variety of titles for sale from paratrooper songs, Jewish heroes in German history, to 4 Noam Chomsky titles, to how incompetent the CIA is to how the CIA was behind 9/11. Stereotyping is a risky business.

Hiding the Nazi selections between Chomsky and Trooferism. What a sorry bunch of putrid barrel scrapings you people are. You know who you are. Leave this place, soon.

296 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:24:08pm

re: #290 Gus 802

Manfred Rouhs leading NPD-Jugend march circa 1986

Rare photo.

Guess it's not that rare. Here's a larger one.

297 Last Man  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:54:49pm

Some of them wacky Greek Orthodox like Spencer and fag hag Arianna really do push the envelope in anti-muslimism. Spencer is well known but fag hag's screw the Kurds and to hell with Bosnian Muslims is less well known.
Alas Constantinople.

298 wee fury  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:02:02pm

re: #297 Last Man

I downdinged you because I found your comment to be crass and incomprehensible.

299 Lightspeed  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:08:15pm

Charles,

Thought the following links might help. I found pictures of a rally in Cologne in 2002 with Manfred Rouhs, Markus Beisicht, and neo-Nazi Siegfried Borchardt (otherwise known as "SS Siggi") in attendance. There also appear to be signs referencing the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany).

Photos

Excellent links exposing the Pro-Cologne movement. It seems "SS Siggi" has been a part of this movement for a while. I has also attracted participation from a number of others, including Axel Reich and NPD members:

Link1, Link 2, Link 3

Read the whole site. Very juicy stuff. Anyone who doubts Pro-Cologne is linked to the neo-Nazis is nuts.

300 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:04pm

re: #299 Lightspeed

Excellent links- thanks!

301 Lightspeed  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:36:29pm
302 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:39:48pm

re: #301 Lightspeed

I just want to smack that little, smug nazi.

303 Lightspeed  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:46:19pm

re: #302 Sharmuta

I just want to smack that little, smug nazi.

If you are speaking of Reitz, oh yeah, I know what you mean. Apparently he has been a player on the neo-Nazi scene since he was about 15. Smug doesn't even begin to describe the self-satified, elitist, racialist, evil little scumbag he is.

304 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:53:56pm

re: #303 Lightspeed

If you are speaking of Reitz, oh yeah, I know what you mean. Apparently he has been a player on the neo-Nazi scene since he was about 15. Smug doesn't even begin to describe the self-satified, elitist, racialist, evil little scumbag he is.

It seems to me he's a runt, so I can see how playing thug and having thug friends would make him feel like a big man.

305 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:02:05pm

re: #299 Lightspeed

Charles,

Thought the following links might help. I found pictures of a rally in Cologne in 2002 with Manfred Rouhs, Markus Beisicht, and neo-Nazi Siegfried Borchardt (otherwise known as "SS Siggi") in attendance. There also appear to be signs referencing the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany).

Photos

Excellent links exposing the Pro-Cologne movement. It seems "SS Siggi" has been a part of this movement for a while. I has also attracted participation from a number of others, including Axel Reich and NPD members:

Link1, Link 2, Link 3

Read the whole site. Very juicy stuff. Anyone who doubts Pro-Cologne is linked to the neo-Nazis is nuts.

This link about says it all visually.

Frankly, I'm tired of calling them neo-Nazis. They're Nazis, period. Manfred Rouhs and Markus Beisicht are both Nazis and their current incarnation is a ploy to avoid scrutiny from the German authorities. They are what they always were from their beginnings: Nazis.

They used to call reorganized political organizations front groups. At this point I think it's safe to say that pro-Koeln is a front group for the Nazi party. Anyone that is willing to argue that they are otherwise is simply a collaborator to their sinister ideology and that includes the American bloggers in question: Geller, Spencer, et al.

306 Lightspeed  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:14:06pm

re: #305 Gus 802

This link about says it all visually.

Frankly, I'm tired of calling them neo-Nazis. They're Nazis, period. Manfred Rouhs and Markus Beisicht are both Nazis and their current incarnation is a ploy to avoid scrutiny from the German authorities. They are what they always were from their beginnings: Nazis.

They used to call reorganized political organizations front groups. At this point I think it's safe to say that pro-Koeln is a front group for the Nazi party. Anyone that is willing to argue that they are otherwise is simply a collaborator to their sinister ideology and that includes the American bloggers in question: Geller, Spencer, et al.

Gellar and Spencer either have willfully shoved their heads up their respective asses or at least tacitly support the agenda of these racists pricks. David Horowitz ought to smack the shit out of Spencer and set him straight. As for Gellar, who cares. She is less and less significant by the day.

307 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:17:41pm

re: #306 Lightspeed

Gellar and Spencer either have willfully shoved their heads up their respective asses or at least tacitly support the agenda of these racists pricks. David Horowitz ought to smack the shit out of Spencer and set him straight. As for Gellar, who cares. She is less and less significant by the day.

I think it's looking more like active support day by day. They've decided to make a deal with the devil and won't reverse course. They are so clueless that they think this an issue about Little Green Footballs. How wrong they can be.

308 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:43:31pm

Mr Spencer-

If you're so sure your euro-contacts are not neo-nazis, then why haven't you confirmed you'll speak at their conference? They've reassured you, right? So what's the problem?

309 zuckerlilly  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 12:45:38am

re: #305 Gus 802

But, please, take in account that this website is from the very far left. They also have a lot of "anti-Zionist" and anti-Israel photos there and are strong supporters of Palestinians

(1), (2), (3)

I have sent Charles myself the link some days ago, but I have advised him too, that the site is a extrema left wing web site.

But the photos from Koeln are genuine.

310 gegenkritik  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 2:48:36am

re: #305 Gus 802

Frankly, I'm tired of calling them neo-Nazis. They're Nazis, period.


The "neo" can sometimes be used to indicate that they are not "original" Nazis who already lived at the time of the "Third Reich", but people who were born later and although knowing about the atrocities still wants to be Nazis.

311 Fabio P.Barbieri  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:13:26am

That is how it is always used in Italy - "neofascisti". The idea being that as the Fascist Party was dissolved by law during the war, any post-war Fascist grouping is "new", that is later.

312 Fabio P.Barbieri  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 10:10:36am

Two points. Dr.Shalit's version of history is not only a joke, but a joke from a mind very close to neo-nazism. He is retailing the ancient Nazi dolchstoss ("stab-in-the-back") lie, that an undefeated German army was stabbed in the back by Catholics and Jews. That is bullshit: the Germans surrendered because they were being overwhelmed, had lost all their allies, were faced with masses of tanks (the "tank swarm" that made Ludendorff literally collapse in terror at Arras) while the only tanks they had were a few they had taken from the British, a continuously growing American army, and sixty Italian and allied divisions in the south which had destroyed Austria and were ready to march on Bavaria. Funny kind of draw, that. Shalit seems to have swallowed a lot of old German lies that no reputable historian would accept for a minute, and which belong in the pages of Rouhs' kind of publication.

About the Pope: as soon as he could, Joseph Ratzinger had entered a seminary - seminarians, until 1944, were exempted from service. In 1944 he and his colleagues were torn from their studies and sent to man anti-aircraft batteries - the typical task for low-grade and untrustworthy troops. (In Britain, they were manned by women, in Germany by Russian prisoners. Both choices indicate that the least reliable elements were put at work there.) And now, pay attention: in the last days of the war, Hitler and Himmler unleashed the SS to murder any male German found away from the front for any reason. American troops coming through the woods of Swabia (Baden-Wuettemberg) found the trees littered with literally thousands of hanged men. To desert in those last few weeks was incredibly dangerous; it would have been much smarter to wait for the Allies to come. Nonetheless, Joseph Ratzinger deserted, putting his life at risk. To sum up, he had to be dragged from his seminary; he was given duties that show that he was not trusted; and he risked his life by deserting at the first opportunity. Some fine loyal Nazi, eh? (This is sarcasm, by the way.)


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