Bad Craziness Watch: Alex Jones Pushing Swine Flu Conspiracy

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Here comes the next wave of bad craziness, promoted as always by one of the worst raving nutjobs in America, Alex Jones (friend of Fox News contributor Judge Andrew Napoitano): the swine flu conspiracy theory.

Medical Director: Swine Flu Was “Cultured In A Laboratory”.

UPDATE at 4/25/09 6:31:34 pm:

Note: there is nothing strange about the timing of this outbreak.

We’ve been overdue for a global flu pandemic for years. These viruses have been breeding and mutating and evolving at a rate that’s hard for human beings to comprehend.

If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists.

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390 comments

1 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:49:55pm

I told you guys, I told you.

2 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:27pm

re: #1 Guanxi88

I told you guys, I told you.

All an Illuminati plot, I tells ya!

3 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:44pm

Bird flu re-invented.

4 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:46pm

Crazy is the gift that just keeps on giving.

5 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:50:51pm

I worried about this more than the virus.

6 Guanxi88  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:51:46pm

Flu troof! Better than bluetooth!

7 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:51:51pm

well the mystery of the origins is solved...that didn't take long...good thing we such a super sleuth on our side.../

8 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:53:02pm

How many crack-pot conspiracy theories can one person fit into one article.

Stunning.

9 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:53:33pm

re: #4 DEZes

Crazy is the gift that just keeps on giving.

It's all related to the Mayan calendar. Dec 22 2012 there will be a galaxy alignment and we all will go crazy. The weak minded people are starting to lose their minds now.

10 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:53:57pm

Gonna' have to adjust the chemtrail formula for Austin TX, somethings definitely out of kilter.

11 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:54:42pm

It's a Bilderberg conspiracy!

12 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:54:43pm

re: #9 screaming_eagle

That's Dec. 21st.

You have one less day to go nuts.

/

13 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:13pm

OK Everyone -

Look at it like this - ALEX JONES - Never Met a Conspiracy that He Couldn't Agree With in One Way or Another. Where is HE Different from Osama Bin Laden? Discussion?

-S-

14 MacGregor  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:15pm

I think global warming did it.

15 blastforth  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:15pm

I thought there was something strange about the timing.

16 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:16pm

And for Five Dollars you can receive our special Swine Flu Prevention Kit™!

Act Now!

17 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:23pm

re: #9 screaming_eagle

It's all related to the Mayan calendar. Dec 22 2012 there will be a galaxy alignment and we all will go crazy. The weak minded people are starting to lose their minds now.

Its the evil Military, the article said so.;)
Like Sharmuta said. stunning.

18 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:47pm

Listen to this and tell me Alex Jones is not mentally unbalanced: Alex Jones - Give Them One Hell Of A Fight.

19 MacGregor  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:55:49pm

/

20 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:56:21pm

re: #19 MacGregor

/

I was waiting for that, lol.
;)

21 cronus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:56:33pm

So swine flu was "cultured in a laboratory"...

And Jews and Muslims don't eat swine...

/Hmmm, I wonder what conclusion Alex will come to next?

22 screaming_eagle  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:56:51pm

re: #12 Noam Sayin'

21st is the end of the calendar. 22nd is the alignment. May or may not be one less day of drinking. Better start drinking a few extra just incase.

23 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:57:30pm

re: #21 cronus

So swine flu was "cultured in a laboratory"...

And Jews and Muslims don't eat swine...

/Hmmm, I wonder what conclusion Alex will come to next?

Its the juice.....

24 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #16 Racer X

And for Five Dollars you can receive our special Swine Flu Prevention Kit™!

Act Now!

Swine prevention kit...

Oh, flu, you said FLU!

Never mind.

25 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:57:39pm

re: #21 cronus

So swine flu was "cultured in a laboratory"...

And Jews and Muslims don't eat swine...

/Hmmm, I wonder what conclusion Alex will come to next?

OoooOOooo! You're good at this.

26 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:57:52pm

re: #22 screaming_eagle

21st is the end of the calendar. 22nd is the alignment. May or may not be one less day of drinking. Better start drinking a few extra just incase.

Pass me one please.

27 SpaceJesus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:59:10pm

pretty sure charles gives swine flu to anyone with a banned IP that visits here

28 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:59:38pm

Conspiracy!

I went over to HuffPo, because I figured bats would be flying out of their ass, and look what I found.

C

oyote2

amerikandad: "Drudge is reporting via Bloomberg that Obama's greeter in Mexico died of the flu like symptions shortly after meeting the president."

~
LINK PLEASE. I googled and came up dry.

If this is so, then this was an attempt to remove our President. I already posted that this virus was too perfect to be random and that viruses are easy to make.

If the Shadow Government kllls our hero President, H.ELL IS THE NEXT STOP
Posted 08:39 PM on 04/25/2009

I bet you can't say fucking idiots on HuffPoo!

29 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:00:27pm

re: #21 cronus

So swine flu was "cultured in a laboratory"...

And Jews and Muslims don't eat swine...

/Hmmm, I wonder what conclusion Alex will come to next?

Too late. It's already being promoted on Far Right Hate sites:

Is Swine Flu Event a Mossad Operation?

No link from me.

30 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:01:21pm

re: #28 jorline

An assignation attempt, I should have known.
How foolish of me.
///

31 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:01:31pm

Conspiracy theories are for stupid people that can't deal with reality.

32 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:01:38pm

re: #29 MJ

Too late. It's already being promoted on Far Right Hate sites:

Is Swine Flu Event a Mossad Operation?

No link from me.

/will PETA say the pigs are striking back?

33 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:01:58pm

re: #17 DEZes

DEZes -

ASS-U-ME that the Mayans are correct. What that means is in late 2012, the Earth WILL Massively Change, pre-Programmed and all. Makes the "Global Warming" Chorus sound like a "keep your Day Job" Karaoke" performer, doesn't it? Discussion?

-S-

34 stuiec  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:02:00pm

How many advanced biotech labs are there in Oaxaca?

And how many subsistence farms with pigs and chickens living in the side yard?

35 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:02:29pm

re: #32 brookly red

/will PETA say the pigs are striking back?

Yeah, they call it the Happening2.
;)

36 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:03:27pm

Swine flu? When pigs fly.

37 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:03:28pm

Well, Alex Jones is certainly is a diseased swine, and his sick ideas do seem to spreading like a bad virus.....but I don't think that's the conspiracy he's talking about.

38 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:04:58pm

re: #32 brookly red

/will PETA say the pigs are striking back?

don't laugh...it's payback time

[Link: www.dailyecho.co.uk...]

39 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:04:58pm

I was vaccinated in 1976 (during the abbreviated vaccination thing that President Ford did - 40 million people were vaccinated before they decided to stop it). There was good reason to push vaccination then - the virus was very similar to the 1918 swine flu, and more than 20 million people died during that pandemic.

40 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:05:09pm

re: #30 DEZes

An assignation attempt, I should have known.
How foolish of me.
///

Coyote2

sorry, page 2: someone else posted that they also had seen it.

I am asking for confirmation, and suggesting that if this is true, then there is a possibility of a conspiracy.
Posted 08:42 PM on 04/25/2009

41 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:05:10pm

re: #33 Dr. Shalit

DEZes -

ASS-U-ME that the Mayans are correct. What that means is in late 2012, the Earth WILL Massively Change, pre-Programmed and all. Makes the "Global Warming" Chorus sound like a "keep your Day Job" Karaoke" performer, doesn't it? Discussion?

-S-

The Mayans were beasts, no more no less.

42 cronus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:05:13pm

re: #32 brookly red

/will PETA say the pigs are striking back?

I'm sure we are just a day or two away from "factory farm" allegations

43 stuiec  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:05:49pm

re: #29 MJ

Too late. It's already being promoted on Far Right Hate sites:

Is Swine Flu Event a Mossad Operation?

No link from me.

They don't think these things through. If the Mossad had the power to unleash pandemics on people they didn't like, the LAST thing one ought to do is piss off Israel.

44 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:06:14pm

re: #40 jorline

Good grief....

45 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:06:14pm

As laughable as this is Glenn Beck is going to spout this crap on Fox news and right wing blogs are going to start pushing the story. Idiot Republican politicians might even start demanding investigations to implicate Janet Napolitano. We've seen this happen repeatedly over past few months. Alex Jones and Ron Paul are running the show.

46 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:06:17pm

I can't imagine how stupid you have to be to send that goof Jones your hard earned dollars so he can stay in business being a paid fool. WoW and Fox supports him in this idiocy.

47 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:07:19pm

Ok....I got this far


It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that deadly flu viruses have been concocted in labs and then dispatched with the intention of creating a pandemic.

I hope he sleeps w/one eye open.

48 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:07:24pm

re: #9 screaming_eagle

It's all related to the Mayan calendar. Dec 22 2012 there will be a galaxy alignment and we all will go crazy. The weak minded people are starting to lose their minds now.

Coast to Coast AM material.

49 ErnieG  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:07:40pm

Be on the alert. Swine Flu symptoms:

Headache.
Nausea.
You want to have sex in the mud.

/

50 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:07:43pm

On Friday, NPR reported that the deadly swine flu Alex Jones “combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans a jackass in a way researchers have not seen before,” thus leading us to suspect it he was cooked up in a lab.

51 stuiec  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:08:14pm

re: #39 Catttt

I was vaccinated in 1976 (during the abbreviated vaccination thing that President Ford did - 40 million people were vaccinated before they decided to stop it). There was good reason to push vaccination then - the virus was very similar to the 1918 swine flu, and more than 20 million people died during that pandemic.

There's a BETTER reason to get vaccinated now than in 1976. This strain is not entirely similar to any other strain -- so no one has immunity to it from prior exposure.

One catch: there ISN'T ANY vaccine for this strain at present, and there won't be appreciable quantities available for months.

52 jacksontn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:08:35pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

As laughable as this is Glenn Beck is going to spout this crap on Fox news and right wing blogs are going to start pushing the story. Idiot Republican politicians might even start demanding investigations to implicate Janet Napolitano. We've seen this happen repeatedly over past few months. Alex Jones and Ron Paul are running the show.

Killgore ... do you have anything good to say about republicans? just wondering ...

53 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:09:01pm

WOOK OUUUT!

Image: pig3.gif

54 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:09:33pm

hey lizards--advice needed--mikeydad is retiring this monday--and last week we booked a trip to cancun to celebrate. we were there last nov-our first time to mexico--and loved it! we are scheduled-and booked--for may 17-24. we both had flu shots last winter--what would you do? go and enjoy--or cancel?

55 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:09:49pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

As laughable as this is Glenn Beck is going to spout this crap on Fox news and right wing blogs are going to start pushing the story. Idiot Republican politicians might even start demanding investigations to implicate Janet Napolitano. We've seen this happen repeatedly over past few months. Alex Jones and Ron Paul are running the show.

Glenn Beck will probably blame gays unless he can work the Obama angle in somehow.

56 cronus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:09:52pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

Well an afternoon of going at it with animal rights extremists has helped me better understand how the crazy flows...

57 GeicoGecko  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:09:58pm

I think it's being spread by ManBearPig. Someone needs to alert Al Gore.

58 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:10:01pm

re: #43 stuiec

They don't think these things through. If the Mossad had the power to unleash pandemics on people they didn't like, the LAST thing one ought to do is piss off Israel.

and one would think it would have been released somewhere else...

59 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:10:12pm

re: #39 Catttt

I was vaccinated in 1976 (during the abbreviated vaccination thing that President Ford did - 40 million people were vaccinated before they decided to stop it). There was good reason to push vaccination then - the virus was very similar to the 1918 swine flu, and more than 20 million people died during that pandemic.

What was the Hong Kong Flu?

Diseases for $40 please Alex.

60 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:11:11pm
BIlderberg

Pathetic.

61 sbvft contributor  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:11:31pm

"As we previously highlighted, those that have a stake in the Tamiflu vaccine include top globalists and BIlderberg members like George Shultz, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld."

What, no Dick Cheney?

62 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:12:07pm

re: #61 sbvft contributor

"As we previously highlighted, those that have a stake in the Tamiflu vaccine include top globalists and BIlderberg members like George Shultz, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld."

What, no Dick Cheney?

Dick Cheney gives the SHOTS!

63 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:12:11pm

re: #54 mikeymom

Mrs. jhrhv is a travel agent. Her official answer is first I don't know second she would probably be cautious about going. At the market today there were Mexican and US onions she made sure she got US.

64 researchok  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:12:26pm

There are lots of things one can say about Jones, but the most succinct and accurate is to refer to him as a 'whack job'.

65 GeicoGecko  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:12:28pm

re: #11 MJ

It's a Bilderberg conspiracy!

Can I haz Bilderberger?

66 NavyGunner86  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:12:56pm

Of course it was cultured in a laboratory. The CIA developed it and released it in a train station in downtown Mexico City...that way, the drug cartels will be so panicked they will go ballistic, toppling the government of Mexico, allowing us to move in to fix the damage (using Halliburton as the prime contractor of course). See, we get Mexico's oil at below market prices and we enrich all the folks in our inside circle who have a piece of Halliburton.

Just like we did in Iraq, we'll steal all the oil, and there's nothing you can do stop us...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Wait a minute...

67 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:12:57pm

Let's have some humor here.
Maybe a few years from now, this scene will repeat itself, thanks to nationalized health care:

68 jones  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:13:14pm

To quote Shatner:

What I am trying to say is "Get A Life!"

69 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:13:20pm

re: #56 cronus

Well an afternoon of going at it with animal rights extremists has helped me better understand how the crazy flows...

You poor thing. Next time, save yourself some time and just spend two minutes at atlas shrugs.

70 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:13:22pm

re: #54 mikeymom


I would go. If MikeyDad doesn't want to go, you can take me.

71 summergurl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:13:42pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

As laughable as this is Glenn Beck is going to spout this crap on Fox news and right wing blogs are going to start pushing the story. Idiot Republican politicians might even start demanding investigations to implicate Janet Napolitano. We've seen this happen repeatedly over past few months. Alex Jones and Ron Paul are running the show.

The only thing in your tirade that might happen is Glenn Beck is going to give airtime to some of this nonsense. The whole right side has not fallen over the edge.

72 jones  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:14:02pm

Are there more of the nuts nowadays, or have they just been magnified by technology?

73 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:14:02pm

re: #61 sbvft contributor

"As we previously highlighted, those that have a stake in the Tamiflu vaccine include top globalists and BIlderberg members like George Shultz, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld."

What, no Dick Cheney?

The swine flu is afraid of Dick Cheney. The swine flu is Dick Cheney's bitch.

74 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:14:13pm

re: #59 jorline

What was the Hong Kong Flu?

Diseases for $40 please Alex.

That was in 1968-9. About a million people died world-wide.

75 summergurl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:14:37pm

re: #72 jones

Are there more of the nuts nowadays, or have they just been magnified by technology?

And 24 hour news channels.

76 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:33pm

re: #65 GeicoGecko

Can I haz Bilderberger?

At Billy Goats Tavern, they'd say it was a "cheezborger" conspiracy.

[Link: www.billygoattavern.com...]

77 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:50pm

I sorta remember getting a swine flu shot back in the early 70s ... anyone else get one? ... and is this the same swine flu ... cannot remember much of the 70s ... but pretty sure I got the shot ...

78 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:53pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

As laughable as this is Glenn Beck is going to spout this crap on Fox news and right wing blogs are going to start pushing the story. Idiot Republican politicians might even start demanding investigations to implicate Janet Napolitano. We've seen this happen repeatedly over past few months. Alex Jones and Ron Paul are running the show.

Hahahahahahahahaha!

You crack me up.

79 loppyd  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:55pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

As laughable as this is Glenn Beck is going to spout this crap on Fox news and right wing blogs are going to start pushing the story. Idiot Republican politicians might even start demanding investigations to implicate Janet Napolitano. We've seen this happen repeatedly over past few months. Alex Jones and Ron Paul are running the show.

Put down the crack pipe.

80 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:15:57pm

re: #52 jacksontn

Killgore ... do you have anything good to say about republicans? just wondering ...

These days I don't have much positive to say about them because I don't see many positive things. When Republicans do something good I have no trouble acknowledging it.

81 GeicoGecko  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:16:00pm
82 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:16:21pm

re: #54 mikeymom

hey lizards--advice needed--mikeydad is retiring this monday--and last week we booked a trip to cancun to celebrate. we were there last nov-our first time to mexico--and loved it! we are scheduled-and booked--for may 17-24. we both had flu shots last winter--what would you do? go and enjoy--or cancel?

Your flu shot last fall was for an "B" strain influenza...this is an "H" strain.

83 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:16:34pm

Flu 4 U

Don't overload the poor database, but it just shows, there are already a LOT of variations out there.

Not included: Cheney Flu, BDS

84 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:16:56pm

Do pigs get people-flu shots?

85 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:17:15pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

These days I don't have much positive to say about them because I don't see many positive things. When Republicans do something good I have no trouble acknowledging it.

Gee thanks, I feel better now.
//

86 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #54 mikeymom

hey lizards--advice needed--mikeydad is retiring this monday--and last week we booked a trip to cancun to celebrate. we were there last nov-our first time to mexico--and loved it! we are scheduled-and booked--for may 17-24. we both had flu shots last winter--what would you do? go and enjoy--or cancel?

Key question, did you buy insurance on the tickets?

87 snowcrash  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:17:25pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

These days I don't have much positive to say about them because I don't see many positive things. When Republicans do something good I have no trouble acknowledging it.

So what, in the mean time you just make up shit?

88 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:17:53pm

re: #84 HelloDare

I'm not sure about that but they make a good breakfast meat or lunch time sandwich IMO.

/

89 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:18:31pm

re: #35 DEZes

Yeah, they call it the Happening2.
;)

DEZes -

PETA is a CROCK of POOP - I am an Animal Lover, with a Real, not "Virtual" Dog, a German Shepherd named MELECH. PETA slaughters about 90+% of the Animals entrusted to its care. I CAN NOT save every animal that I see. I rescued MELECH from another fellow employee who could NOT care for him.
After that, MELECH went to "the Girls" of my Boss's Family. They got tired of him - AFTER they Neutered Him! - and put him on a "slimming" diet. He came back to me again, mal-nourished again, and a Capon of a Dog. MELECH is back, healthy and loved. He is sterile. In the Major Leagues, Batting .667 works. Hope it will work as well for MELECH. That is all.

-S-

90 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #84 HelloDare

Do pigs get people-flu shots?

no they just get cured...

91 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:19:28pm

re: #54 mikeymom

hey lizards--advice needed--mikeydad is retiring this monday--and last week we booked a trip to cancun to celebrate. we were there last nov-our first time to mexico--and loved it! we are scheduled-and booked--for may 17-24. we both had flu shots last winter--what would you do? go and enjoy--or cancel?

I'd go. You are likely to get sick from foreign germs anyway, didn't stop you last time right?

92 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:19:39pm

re: #70 BignJames

I would go. If MikeyDad doesn't want to go, you can take me.


lol--fat chance! he's leaving it up to me-- i'm leaning to going--mucho food, drinks (no virus willl ive in my body after all the booze), fab pool and ocean--

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:19:42pm

re: #71 summergurl

The DHS memo started from a WND reporter. The FEMA Camp stuff started with Alex Jones. The rumor that the FBI infiltrated the Tea Parties strted with Alexjones. There's a pretty long list. This one might not make it all the way but if you look back at a lot of the stuff that most conservatives are upset about these days there's a good chance it will lead back to Alex Jones/Lew Rockwell types.

94 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:20:01pm

May I assume a Mohammadan who dies from the swine flu will be denied entry to paradise?

/conspiracy in the works
////

95 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:20:38pm

re: #90 brookly red

no they just get cured...

Only if they haven't smoked.

96 pink freud  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:20:43pm

re: #77 JacksonTn

This was posted by simonml earlier:

This year's flu shot contained two (A) strains (H1N1 and H3N2) as well as a (B) strain. This swine flu is an (A) strain of type H1N1. Though it is different and not entirely protective the flu shot this year likely offers some degree of protection.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

97 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:20:48pm

re: #92 mikeymom

lol--fat chance! he's leaving it up to me-- i'm leaning to going--mucho food, drinks (no virus willl ive in my body after all the booze), fab pool and ocean--

go...if the pig flu don't get you the narcs will...have fun!

98 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:20:58pm

Has anyone asked for Judge Napolitano's take. Whackos. This guy and anyone who gives him the time of day are off the rails.

99 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:21:09pm

re: #86 jorline

Key question, did you buy insurance on the tickets?


noooo--last time we did cause we went in nov--end of hurricane season--this time no cause we didnt think there was prob--arrgghhhhh!

100 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:22:08pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Obama's secret plan to use Tarp to nationalize the banks was started by Judge Napolitano. That one even made it into the Wall Street Journal despite being completely bogus.

101 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:22:15pm

re: #77 JacksonTn

I sorta remember getting a swine flu shot back in the early 70s ... anyone else get one? ... and is this the same swine flu ... cannot remember much of the 70s ... but pretty sure I got the shot ...

I remember I had a lot of drugs and alcohol in my system during the 70's.
Pretty much bullet proof...lol

102 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:22:23pm

re: #94 unrealizedviewpoint

May I assume a Mohammadan who dies from the swine flu will be denied entry to paradise?

/conspiracy in the works
////

urvp -

What I would say might get me banned, and NOT Only from LGF. Some things are better left unsaid. Comments?

-S-

103 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:22:27pm

re: #89 Dr. Shalit

DEZes -

PETA is a CROCK of POOP - I am an Animal Lover, with a Real, not "Virtual" Dog, a German Shepherd named MELECH. PETA slaughters about 90+% of the Animals entrusted to its care. I CAN NOT save every animal that I see. I rescued MELECH from another fellow employee who could NOT care for him.
After that, MELECH went to "the Girls" of my Boss's Family. They got tired of him - AFTER they Neutered Him! - and put him on a "slimming" diet. He came back to me again, mal-nourished again, and a Capon of a Dog. MELECH is back, healthy and loved. He is sterile. In the Major Leagues, Batting .667 works. Hope it will work as well for MELECH. That is all.

-S-

Your preaching to the ....
you get the picture, I love animals, and have 2 cats that were headed to a bad fate, both had goop eye, their mother was dead, they were 4 weeks old when I brought them home after a visit to a vet.
Have you seen the horrendous propaganda film the happening?

104 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:22:37pm

Anyone see the story out of New York about a stack of Blank, Stamped birth certificates that have just vanished? Not good.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

105 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:23:26pm

Killgore: Beck will simply state 'I told you 3 years ago the world was going to hell, and by golly it looks like I was right'. That's his self congratulatory schtick.

106 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:23:30pm

re: #92 mikeymom

lol--fat chance! he's leaving it up to me-- i'm leaning to going--mucho food, drinks (no virus willl ive in my body after all the booze), fab pool and ocean--


I've heard Belize is great.....anyone been?

107 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:23:36pm

There is nothing strange about the timing.

We've been overdue for a global flu pandemic for years. These viruses have been breeding and mutating and evolving at a rate that's hard for human beings to comprehend.

If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists.

108 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:23:51pm

re: #103 DEZes

Your preaching to the ....
you get the picture, I love animals, and have 2 cats that were headed to a bad fate, both had goop eye, their mother was dead, they were 4 weeks old when I brought them home after a visit to a vet.
Have you seen the horrendous propaganda film the happening?

I divorced all three of my pets...man pets are just too much hassle after a certain point in life

109 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:24:28pm

re: #104 CapeCoddah

Anyone see the story out of New York about a stack of Blank, Stamped birth certificates that have just vanished? Not good.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Obama will finally get a real American birth certificate.

/

110 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:24:41pm

re: #99 mikeymom

noooo--last time we did cause we went in nov--end of hurricane season--this time no cause we didnt think there was prob--arrgghhhhh!

Mexico has 68 death and 1000 reported infections? Population of 110 million, you'll be on a cruise ship.
I'd say you chances of infection are low, with the flu shot you've got some protection.

111 lostlakehiker  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:24:46pm

They had jolly well better culture it in a laboratory. We need to know what we're up against, and quickly.

But this thing wasn't created in a laboratory. Nobody on the bad guy's side of the fence knows enough, just yet, to bring it off. Nobody on the good guy's side of the fence would do it, even if anybody did know enough, which nobody does.

Resurrecting an old pathogen, or modifying one in the lab to make it more virulent, is just possible. Cooking up a new nasty from scratch, nope.

112 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:25:03pm

re: #106 BignJames

I've heard Belize is great.....anyone been?

ny son and bride honeymooned there last aug--loved it! i would like to go to costa rica--heard its beautiful and cheap!

113 CapeCoddah  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:25:18pm

re: #109 MJ

I was really hoping we could avoid that comparison. Old and tired.

114 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:25:37pm

re: #99 mikeymom

noooo--last time we did cause we went in nov--end of hurricane season--this time no cause we didnt think there was prob--arrgghhhhh!

Maybe the cruise line will cancel the trip.

115 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #110 jcm

Mexico has 68 death and 1000 reported infections? Population of 110 million, you'll be on a cruise ship.
I'd say you chances of infection are low, with the flu shot you've got some protection.

cruise ships are THE place to get sick....

116 summergurl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:25:58pm

re: #77 JacksonTn

I sorta remember getting a swine flu shot back in the early 70s ... anyone else get one? ... and is this the same swine flu ... cannot remember much of the 70s ... but pretty sure I got the shot
re: #93 Killgore Trout

The DHS memo started from a WND reporter. The FEMA Camp stuff started with Alex Jones. The rumor that the FBI infiltrated the Tea Parties strted with Alexjones. There's a pretty long list. This one might not make it all the way but if you look back at a lot of the stuff that most conservatives are upset about these days there's a good chance it will lead back to Alex Jones/Lew Rockwell types.

So your problem is with Alex Jones then? You just added everyone else to throw some more Republicans in the mix?

117 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:26:02pm

re: #110 jcm

Mexico has 68 death and 1000 reported infections? Population of 110 million, you'll be on a cruise ship.
I'd say you chances of infection are low, with the flu shot you've got some protection.


no--no cruise ship--flying chater to cancun--will not leave the resort for day trips.

118 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:26:55pm

So, can we chalk this conspiracy theory up to "fear of science"?

Like Globull Warming, Creationism and the Vaccine paranoia?

The fact are that sooner or later a nasty germ will make it's rounds --be very, very good at mutating and present a signficant challenge. I'd venture to guess that alot of these really nasty germs have already done this, but the Scientists got to work and the systems were in place and the germ was contained. Of course, this wouldn't be heard about because it was a tragedy that didn't happen.

So, when a nasty germ does become a tragedy -- the fear of science in little minds looks to boogie man explanations.

119 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:26:57pm

re: #107 Charles

There is nothing strange about the timing.

We've been overdue for a global flu pandemic for years. These viruses have been breeding and mutating and evolving at a rate that's hard for human beings to comprehend.

If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists.

They'll just falsely claim it's micro-evolution and say they believe in that.

120 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:27:14pm

re: #116 summergurl

summer ... um ... I was talking about the swine flu ... not republicans ...

121 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:27:39pm

re: #65 GeicoGecko

Can I haz Bilderberger?

i made the same joke the other day

122 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:27:58pm

Here we go again.

123 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:28:37pm

What happens if a muslim catches the Swine Flu?

I mean...are they excommunicated?
//

124 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:28:42pm

Talking about Alex Jones, not creationism. ;)

125 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:28:44pm

re: #117 mikeymom

Odds are you will be fine.

126 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:28:54pm

re: #123 jorline

good question

127 summergurl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:29:07pm

re: #120 JacksonTn

summer ... um ... I was talking about the swine flu ... not republicans ...


And I was trying to reply to Kilgore--oops must have been the 70's drugs...

128 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:29:29pm

re: #123 jorline

What happens if a muslim catches the Swine Flu?

I mean...are they excommunicated?
//

No. They'll just rename it the "Jew Flu"

129 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:29:37pm

re: #119 HelloDare

They'll just falsely claim it's micro-evolution and say they believe in that.

/or rant that eveolution causes killer flus...

130 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:29:42pm

re: #123 jorline

What happens if a muslim catches the Swine Flu?

I mean...are they excommunicated?
//

The go to Swine Flu hell.

131 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:29:42pm

re: #103 DEZes

DEZes -

Have a "Cat History" too. Nursed an "extra digit" Male Kitten named LOUIS back to health after his Mom rejected him. Found LOUIS a loving home. I was 11 - 12 years old at the time. Best info is that Louis lived to be about 12. Not bad for a rejected Cat, eh?

-S-

132 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:30:12pm

re: #107 Charles

There is nothing strange about the timing.

We've been overdue for a global flu pandemic for years. These viruses have been breeding and mutating and evolving at a rate that's hard for human beings to comprehend.

If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists.

Science is soooo boring! A conspiracy is exciting! Besides only those with special inside info really know it's a conspiracy!

//

133 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:30:30pm

Now atlas sucks has a post up about Charles attacking MM.

134 spudly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:30:33pm

Wouldn't research labs (like those in the CDC) culture ANY virus they were interested in so they would have material to use up in tests? So I'd suspect that labs all around the world have various swine flu strains cultured so they can work on vaccines, etc.

Conspiracy theorists are all the same, swap that phrase for "pull it" or whatever it was with the 911 troofer nuts, and you have the same arguments (or anti-vaccine whackos). All conspiracy believers seem to share the same pathologies, resulting in interchangeable arguments.

135 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:30:33pm

re: #123 jorline

What happens if a muslim catches the Swine Flu?

I mean...are they excommunicated?
//

He goes jihadi on his own ass.

136 summergurl  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:00pm

re: #133 Thanos

Now atlas sucks has a post up about Charles attacking MM.

That's just crazy talk-geez

137 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:17pm

re: #131 Dr. Shalit

DEZes -

Have a "Cat History" too. Nursed an "extra digit" Male Kitten named LOUIS back to health after his Mom rejected him. Found LOUIS a loving home. I was 11 - 12 years old at the time. Best info is that Louis lived to be about 12. Not bad for a rejected Cat, eh?

-S-

Not bad at all.
If I may ask, are you a vet.?

138 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:20pm
“This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratory is something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified,” said Dr. John Carlo, Dallas Co. Medical Director (video clip here).

Was this a slip-up or an admission that this new super-strain of swine influenza was deliberately cultured in a laboratory and released?

How fucking stupid is Alex Jones?

Rhetorical question... sorry.

Yes, the strain was "cultured in a laboratory"... meaning, doctors took sputum samples from victims, cultured them in a laboratory to produce a quantity of the pathogen sufficient for testing, and tested them. Ever heard of getting a "throat culture" done to check for strep, Alex? Did you think that meant your doctor was creating strep to infect you with it?

139 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:27pm

re: #130 HelloDare

The go to Swine Flu hell.

...and get 70 virgin pigs...lmao

140 redc1c4  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:40pm

"Medical Director: Swine Flu Was “Cultured In A Laboratory”

does this mean that this is an intelligent design?

/white smoke

141 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:45pm

re: #107 Charles

Charles -

"...evolution exists..." - Like NO KIDDING - That is all.

-S-

142 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:31:59pm

re: #131 Dr. Shalit

DEZes -

Have a "Cat History" too. Nursed an "extra digit" Male Kitten named LOUIS back to health after his Mom rejected him. Found LOUIS a loving home. I was 11 - 12 years old at the time. Best info is that Louis lived to be about 12. Not bad for a rejected Cat, eh?

-S-

I found my cat starving in a hay loft abandon at just a few weeks...she lived to be 23...

143 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:32:07pm

re: #135 MandyManners

He goes jihadi on his own ass.

He goes all slpody?

144 cronus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:32:55pm

re: #107 Charles

There is nothing strange about the timing.

We've been overdue for a global flu pandemic for years. These viruses have been breeding and mutating and evolving at a rate that's hard for human beings to comprehend.

If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists.

/A sneak peak at tomorrow's Huffington Post:

Jim Carrey, Robert Kennedy Jr., and Jenny McCarthy reveal how the swine flu was actually caused by the swine flu vaccine.

145 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:32:59pm

AIDS was created by the US government to kill blacks and gays.
Swine flu was created in a lab to kill -- well, never mind.
The smallpox vaccine causes autism, and the government and the AMA know it but don't want anyone to find out.
911 was an inside job.
The JOOS!
What did I miss?
Life sure sucks when secret and all powerful forces are out to get you.

146 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:00pm

re: #138 Occasional Reader

How fucking stupid is Alex Jones?

Rhetorical question... sorry.

Yes, the strain was "cultured in a laboratory"... meaning, doctors took sputum samples from victims, cultured them in a laboratory to produce a quantity of the pathogen sufficient for testing, and tested them. Ever heard of getting a "throat culture" done to check for strep, Alex? Did you think that meant your doctor was creating strep to infect you with it?

We should be so lucky.

147 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:01pm

It's the globalists with their evil free trade conspiracy!

148 snowcrash  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:01pm

Doesn't hurt to make sure you have Tylenol and clear liquids on hand, maybe even the blue respiratory masks you can buy at the drug store. I bought these things today and I live in TX. I'm not paranoid just prepared.

149 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:21pm

re: #142 albusteve

I found my cat starving in a hay loft abandon at just a few weeks...she lived to be 23...

albusteve ... 23?! ... I have never heard of a cat living that long ... I don't have cats so I don't know much about them ... we had a few as kids ... what is the average life of a cat? ...

150 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:35pm

re: #130 HelloDare

The go to Swine Flu hell.

They become pig farmers...remember Maken Bacon

151 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:39pm

Jones and those who buy his brand of crap might be proof of devolution.

152 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:34:21pm

re: #146 BignJames

We should be so lucky.

Perhaps if Alex Jones got a good case of strep throat, it would at least shut him the fuck up for a few days.

153 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:35:29pm

re: #150 jorline

They become pig farmers...remember Maken Bacon

Like this?

154 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:35:43pm

re: #142 albusteve

I found my cat starving in a hay loft abandon at just a few weeks...she lived to be 23...

My two were feral- a mom and her tom. Took a while but they're now well-adjusted indoor cats. Very warm and talkative though still shy around strangers.

155 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:00pm

re: #138 Occasional Reader

He's breathtakingly stupid.

156 jones  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:10pm

"If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists."


So this is Darwin's fault! I knew it was a plot.

157 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:11pm

re: #149 JacksonTn

albusteve ... 23?! ... I have never heard of a cat living that long ... I don't have cats so I don't know much about them ... we had a few as kids ... what is the average life of a cat? ...

23 is a long life for a cat but not unheard of. My Pixel went at 18, my sister's Misty went at 19.

158 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:24pm

re: #153 DEZes

Like this?

That's it!

159 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:24pm

Evening All.

Didn't the last big US Swine Flu scare happen in 1976--around Jimmy Carter's election?

Now we have available antiretrovirals and drugs developed for HIV, which we did not know about then, right?

160 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:31pm

re: #149 JacksonTn

albusteve ... 23?! ... I have never heard of a cat living that long ... I don't have cats so I don't know much about them ... we had a few as kids ... what is the average life of a cat? ...

don't know...my mom had a Siamese that lived to be 20 and my sister just put down one of her cats at 22...mine was a rugged, half wild little barn cat and I loved her to pieces

161 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:42pm

re: #137 DEZes

Not bad at all.
If I may ask, are you a vet.?

DEZes -

Veterinarian - NO!

Military Vet - NO, though close - Too Long to get into here.

"Domestic Wars - Campus Division" - BIG TIME - Then Grew Up.

Hope that answers your question.


-S-

162 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:36:47pm

OT

Who's cleaning up after the FNDT?

163 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:37:14pm

re: #158 jorline

That's it!

Last time I saw that shirt was around 72.

164 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:37:20pm

i had a cat--stray- lived to 19 1/2--now have purebred maine coon 14 1/2

165 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:37:30pm

re: #159 alegrias

Evening All.

Didn't the last big US Swine Flu scare happen in 1976--around Jimmy Carter's election?

Now we have available antiretrovirals and drugs developed for HIV, which we did not know about then, right?

This proves it! Incompetent presidents cause swine flu!
/

166 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:38:11pm

re: #154 MJ

My two were feral- a mom and her tom. Took a while but they're now well-adjusted indoor cats. Very warm and talkative though still shy around strangers.

a good indoor/outdoor cat is the best pet you can have....plenty of food and water and presto! they take care of themselves

167 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:38:42pm

maybe if these kooks don't get flu shots etc nature will have it's way in thinning the herd

a win win i would have to say.

168 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:38:44pm

re: #164 mikeymom

i had a cat--stray- lived to 19 1/2--now have purebred maine coon 14 1/2

Do those shed much?

169 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:39:05pm

I actually know someone here in the UK who is buying into the Alex Jones bullshit. He denies it, doesn't realise how easy it is to figure out when someone starts complaining about the evil World Bank and dropping comments about "Bilderberg" and 'The Rothschilds' into conversation.

170 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:39:30pm

btw-- i really want this trip to go well--for mikeydad--he deserves it-- and cause on the last trip the second night i received word my sis suffered her second stroke--was a nervous few days--shes recovered now--but was stressful

171 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:39:31pm

Glad to hear there are so many nice cat (and ok, dog) rescuers here.

My domestic shorthair was abandoned - roomie found her in ivy - yelling - outside her school and brought her home via a trip to the vet, together with formula, etc. She was maybe one-two weeks old - eyes not open yet. Vet said she had a 50/50 chance of survival.

My Siamese male cat adopted her, so she ended up being mine. Siamese did the cleaning and protecting from all harm by screaming at the top of his lungs detail; I did the feeding every three hours of every day for weeks detail.

The Siamese is purebred, with one of those long names.

172 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:39:32pm

re: #148 snowcrash

Doesn't hurt to make sure you have Tylenol and clear liquids on hand, maybe even the blue respiratory masks you can buy at the drug store. I bought these things today and I live in TX. I'm not paranoid just prepared.

It's been explained to me that those silly masks we see being used in MX are mostly useless to protect against a virus that is pneumonic (airborne). One needs something like this.

173 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:40:01pm

re: #167 yochanan

maybe if these kooks don't get flu shots etc nature will have it's way in thinning the herd

a win win i would have to say.

All except that bit about their children dying and the loss of herd immunity.

174 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #168 MJ

Do those shed much?

yes--mikey is 20 lbs--in his spring shed now--cat hair everywhere--wouldnt change anything--he is our baby-see avatar--not a good pix-hes much cuter!

175 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:41:41pm

re: #163 DEZes

Last time I saw that shirt was around 72.

lol...same time as the peace symbol with the American flag background...I thought the Colonel would kick my ass!

176 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:41:51pm

re: #165 Kosh's Shadow

This proves it! Incompetent presidents cause swine flu!
/

* * * *
You are too funny, but that odd coincidence had occurred to me. What else could possibly go wrong during Pres. Obama's watch...must remain calm & rational...

I just saw upthread CATTT mentioned taking the Swine Flu shot during Pres. Ford's administration. Honest, it seemed like just yesterday!

177 Last Mohican  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:42:04pm

Good evening everyone. I only glossed over all the previous comments in this thread, so I apologize if this has already been said. However, as one of LGF's resident doctor-lizards, I'd like to address the main point of that ridiculous InfoWars article:

Questions about the source of the outbreak are also being asked after a public health official said that the virus was “cultured in a laboratory”.

“This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratoryis something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified,” said Dr. John Carlo, Dallas Co. Medical Director.

Was this a slip-up or an admission that this new super-strain of swine influenza was deliberately cultured in a laboratory and released?

It's not a slip-up or an admission of anything, except that the laboratory was doing its job. To culture a virus (or a bacterium, mycobacterium, fungus, etc.) just means to capture a microorganism from an infected host, and grow the microorganism in the laboratory. For example, if your doctor thinks you have a strep throat, he or she will do a throat culture, i.e. swab your throat, stick the swab in a bacterium-friendly medium, and try to culture the Streptococcus bacterium. If a doctor thinks you have pneumonia or a urinary tract infection, he or she will do a sputum or urine culture, respectively, to see if some bad bacterium is growing in there. If it is, the lab will then subject the cultured organism to various antibiotics, to see which ones will kill it, and should therefore be administered to you.

The fact that this virus was "cultured in the laboratory" just means that they found it in a person, and then managed to isolate it and grow it in the lab, so that they can study it more, see what drugs help to kill it, try to make a vaccine, etc. There's no story here whatsoever.

178 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:42:32pm

re: #174 mikeymom

yes--mikey is 20 lbs--in his spring shed now--cat hair everywhere--wouldnt change anything--he is our baby-see avatar--not a good pix-hes much cuter!

20 POUNDS!...whoa, sorry

179 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:43:45pm

I saw "swine flu" , "Alex Jones" and "Fox News" in the heading and yet I still entered the thread.
I must be coming down with something.

Anyway, Dr. Shalit, I'm right there with you. Some people are meant to care for animals and others aren't. It's a shame, but it's true.
Glad you were able to give the dog the life it deserved.

180 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:43:50pm

re: #13 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Look at it like this - ALEX JONES - Never Met a Conspiracy that He Couldn't Agree With in One Way or Another. Where is HE Different from Osama Bin Laden? Discussion?

-S-

Jones does not call for the extermination of Jews explicitly

181 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:43:51pm

re: #167 yochanan

maybe if these kooks don't get flu shots etc nature will have it's way in thinning the herd

a win win i would have to say.

Um - no. We live in the 21st century and have scientists working to protect people from these things to the best of their ability. We are people, not a herd. Not protecting children is evil. Other than that - - - it's still no.

182 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:43:51pm

re: #171 Catttt

I had a cat for 12 years named Weasel, her whole litter was tossed into the road, she was the only one that survived the traffic, her eyes were not open yet either.
My sister rescued her, I adopted her. and I miss her sorely.

183 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:44:13pm

re: #177 Last Mohican

You're part of the conspiracy aren't you?

///////

Good info and post.

184 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:44:39pm

re: #142 albusteve

I found my cat starving in a hay loft abandon at just a few weeks...she lived to be 23...

23 is a very very old cat!

185 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:45:00pm

dave ... I use to really like him ... I hear him some on the xm radio ...

186 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:45:18pm

re: #180 Mr Spiffy

Jones does not call for the extermination of Jews explicitly

The real Nazi's never do.

187 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:45:26pm

re: #177 Last Mohican

Good evening everyone. I only glossed over all the previous comments in this thread, so I apologize if this has already been said. However, as one of LGF's resident doctor-lizards, I'd like to address the main point of that ridiculous InfoWars article:

It's not a slip-up or an admission of anything, except that the laboratory was doing its job. To culture a virus (or a bacterium, mycobacterium, fungus, etc.) just means to capture a microorganism from an infected host, and grow the microorganism in the laboratory. For example, if your doctor thinks you have a strep throat, he or she will do a throat culture, i.e. swab your throat, stick the swab in a bacterium-friendly medium, and try to culture the Streptococcus bacterium. If a doctor thinks you have pneumonia or a urinary tract infection, he or she will do a sputum or urine culture, respectively, to see if some bad bacterium is growing in there. If it is, the lab will then subject the cultured organism to various antibiotics, to see which ones will kill it, and should therefore be administered to you.

The fact that this virus was "cultured in the laboratory" just means that they found it in a person, and then managed to isolate it and grow it in the lab, so that they can study it more, see what drugs help to kill it, try to make a vaccine, etc. There's no story here whatsoever.

Thanks for explanation LM. Unfortunately, the folks who believe in the conspiracy stuff are immune from rational explanations. The conspiracy makes more sense to them...

188 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:46:01pm

re: #178 albusteve

20 POUNDS!...whoa, sorry

thats down from 22 at his prime--maine coonies are large--hes a big orange pumpkin--when he stretches out on our king bed--he takes up half-very impressive!

189 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:46:22pm

bbiaw

190 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:46:37pm

re: #177 Last Mohican

See my #138. Beatchatoit.

191 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:46:42pm

re: #184 reine.de.tout

23 is a very very old cat!

yes, she had a stroke at the end but recovered a bit and lived another six months then tanked...I had to put her down...she died in my arms wrapped in towel and I cried like a baby

192 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:46:47pm

Somehow I doubt Jones bothers much with actual evidence or science when he comes up with conspiracy nutjob theories.

193 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:47:12pm

re: #165 Kosh's Shadow

This proves it! Incompetent presidents cause swine flu!
/

* * * * *
But seriously, when AIDS errupted on President Reagan's watch, how many times was Reagan blamed for not declaring "war" on AIDS?

How many times did AIDS protesters interrupt press conferences & shout "SILENCE EQUALS DEATH" ? I lost count.

Plus the AIDS quilt project began and kept growing bigger and bigger on the US National Mall during Reagan's watch.

194 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:47:14pm

re: #176 alegrias

* * * *
You are too funny, but that odd coincidence had occurred to me. What else could possibly go wrong during Pres. Obama's watch...must remain calm & rational...

I just saw upthread CATTT mentioned taking the Swine Flu shot during Pres. Ford's administration. Honest, it seemed like just yesterday!

I remember it well. Unlike some people up-thread (hee hee hee), I remember the decade. :D Even in the 70s, I didn't do drugs. I was a goodie two shoes.

195 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:47:23pm

re: #188 mikeymom

The love of my life was a Maine Coon named Lilly. She made it to about 15 years. Great cats.

196 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:47:47pm

re: #192 jhrhv

Somehow I doubt Jones bothers much with actual evidence or science when he comes up with conspiracy nutjob theories.

Evidence is for Wimps!

197 Gang of One  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:48:26pm

re: #9 screaming_eagle

It's all related to the Mayan calendar. Dec 22 2012 there will be a galaxy alignment and we all will go crazy. The weak minded people are starting to lose their minds now.

I guess I chose the wrong epoch to stop drinking.

198 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:48:29pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

The love of my life was a Maine Coon named Lilly. She made it to about 15 years. Great cats.

nice name...I called my little barn cat Sophie

199 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:48:36pm

re: #191 albusteve

yes, she had a stroke at the end but recovered a bit and lived another six months then tanked...I had to put her down...she died in my arms wrapped in towel and I cried like a baby

just once, i would like to have a cat die peacefully in his sleep. i hate having to make the decision and hold them. sigh

200 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:48:42pm

re: #196 jcm

Evidence is for Wimps!

To quote the great Groucho Marx, "Who are you going to believe - me, or your own eyes?"

201 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:48:44pm

re: #171 Catttt

Glad to hear there are so many nice cat (and ok, dog) rescuers here.

My domestic shorthair was abandoned - roomie found her in ivy - yelling - outside her school and brought her home via a trip to the vet, together with formula, etc. She was maybe one-two weeks old - eyes not open yet. Vet said she had a 50/50 chance of survival.

My Siamese male cat adopted her, so she ended up being mine. Siamese did the cleaning and protecting from all harm by screaming at the top of his lungs detail; I did the feeding every three hours of every day for weeks detail.

The Siamese is purebred, with one of those long names.

Catttt -

AND - your Male Siamese did his job towards an infant , orphaned cat. In a quiet moment, lift an adult beverage in honor of YOUR CAT.

-S-

202 Last Mohican  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:49:06pm

re: #190 Occasional Reader

See my #138. Beatchatoit.

Yup, you sure did. I guess your post must have popped up while I was typing mine.

Yet another example of "the concise lizard snags the fruit cup" (a specialized case of "the early bird catches the worm.")

203 reine.de.tout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:49:24pm

re: #171 Catttt

Glad to hear there are so many nice cat (and ok, dog) rescuers here.
. . .

There aren't quite as many dogs needing rescuing as cats, because most people like dogs, but not everyone likes cats.

We hand-raised a litter of 4 kittens when the mom died when they were 3 weeks old - we've rescued 2 litters from drowning in the drain where the mama-cat liked to have her kittens not realizing the drain would fill with water during a rain - and my best story - my dog found an abandoned kitten in a ditch, and the kitten followed him home!

204 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:03pm

Not just in Mexico any longer:

Students Fall Ill in New York, and Swine Flu Is Likely Cause


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

205 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:18pm

re: #201 Dr. Shalit

:D

I'm going to scan my pic of him cleaning her butt, and her pushing on him with all four feet. Cute as the dickens. :D

206 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:28pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

The love of my life was a Maine Coon named Lilly..

You need to get out more.

207 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:29pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

There aren't quite as many dogs needing rescuing as cats, because most people like dogs, but not everyone likes cats.

We hand-raised a litter of 4 kittens when the mom died when they were 3 weeks old - we've rescued 2 litters from drowning in the drain where the mama-cat liked to have her kittens not realizing the drain would fill with water during a rain - and my best story - my dog found an abandoned kitten in a ditch, and the kitten followed him home!

Bless the animal lovers.

208 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:30pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

The love of my life was a Maine Coon named Lilly. She made it to about 15 years. Great cats.


yes, they are. my sis was a breeder for many yrs--not large scale-maybe 2 litters a yr and was very rsponsible. mikey is of her breeding--i knew his mom and dad--great cats all.

209 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:40pm

re: #193 alegrias

* * * * *
But seriously, when AIDS errupted on President Reagan's watch, how many times was Reagan blamed for not declaring "war" on AIDS?

How many times did AIDS protesters interrupt press conferences & shout "SILENCE EQUALS DEATH" ? I lost count.

Plus the AIDS quilt project began and kept growing bigger and bigger on the US National Mall during Reagan's watch.

It was a very different time the 1980's. I believe Reagan erred by failing to recognize AIDs. He did fund some research, but didn't speak of it hardly.
I think that's the first any only negative I've ever stated with regard to President Ronald Reagan.

210 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:50:59pm

re: #199 mikeymom

just once, i would like to have a cat die peacefully in his sleep. i hate having to make the decision and hold them. sigh

in my adult life I have had three dogs and one cat....they all died while I held them...two at the vet and two otherwise...I can't stand it anymore so I don't have any pets now

211 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:51:02pm

Murphy I know too well, who the hell is Jones?

212 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:51:10pm

re: #199 mikeymom

Lilly's passing was actually pretty good as far as that kind of thing does. I had her put to sleep at home as she relaxed in front of the fireplace. It went pretty smoothly.

213 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:51:54pm

By the way, Harry's Place is now having an epidemic of Spencer-related meltdowns.

214 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:52:17pm

re: #205 Catttt

:D

I'm going to scan my pic of him cleaning her butt, and her pushing on him with all four feet. Cute as the dickens. :D


Develop a cat food that tastes like cat butt....you'll be rich.

215 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:53:11pm

re: #213 Charles

By the way, Harry's Place is now having an epidemic of Spencer-related meltdowns.

I told them to expect this.

216 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:53:39pm

Traffic ... 40,000 Headmen ...

217 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:53:54pm

re: #207 DEZes

Bless the animal lovers.

Just sayin.

218 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:54:16pm

re: #216 JacksonTn

Traffic ... 40,000 Headmen ...


[Video]

just killer...oh man

219 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:54:32pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Lilly's passing was actually pretty good as far as that kind of thing does. I had her put to sleep at home as she relaxed in front of the fireplace. It went pretty smoothly.

im glad for that--my last one was 15 trs ago--buster was 19 1/2--on the vets table, as the needle went in, he pissed a prodigious amt of pee--he told us what he thought of that! i can smile now--cant wait to see him again-got him 1 yr before i had kids--helped me raise 2 sons--would smack them on the head!

220 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:55:26pm

re: #194 Catttt

I remember it well. Unlike some people up-thread (hee hee hee), I remember the decade. :D Even in the 70s, I didn't do drugs. I was a goodie two shoes.

* * * *
Good for you.

Me either.

Why would I put strange stuff of unknown provenance in my body? I'm American, I like science, I appreciate the Food & Drug Administration's work.

In a culture where people are so concerned about organic foods, natural this and that, avoiding genetically modified something or others and PESTICIDES, why would ANYONE buy much less ingest, inject, snort, sniff, smoke utterly unvetted, untested, untrustworthy CRAP? Trafficked into our country by gangs, produced in dirty labs in China or other narco-producing and trafficking countries run by thugs who HATE us?

That's just dumb on so many levels.

221 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:55:44pm

re: #177 Last Mohican

Well said.

222 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:55:53pm

It was supposed to last 90 days. It's on day 1888.

Mars Rover Recovers from Amnesia

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit is back on track. The robotic rover drove on Thursday for the first time since April 8 after its recent bout of amnesia.

Spirit was acting on commands from engineers who are still investigating the cause behind Spirit's recent glitches.

223 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:55:54pm

re: #39 Catttt

I was vaccinated in 1976 (during the abbreviated vaccination thing that President Ford did - 40 million people were vaccinated before they decided to stop it). There was good reason to push vaccination then - the virus was very similar to the 1918 swine flu, and more than 20 million people died during that pandemic.

I,too was in the military and had no choice in the matter. And though I had all of the usual childhood diseases have really not been sick since

Coincidence?

224 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:56:39pm

re: #217 jhrhv

Just sayin.

Curse human beasts.

225 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:57:03pm

re: #221 Sleepyone

Well said.

[and whatamIchoppedliver? grumble grumble grumble]

226 lawhawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:57:05pm

Let's see. There was the 1918 flu pandemic. Killed millions and debilitated several times that amount.

There was the Hong Kong flu.

Now, we're dealing with swine flu.

It was only a matter of time. Will this be the pandemic scientists and medical experts had dreaded or will it fizzle? No one knows.

A pandemic involving influenza has not only been overdue for years, but with the way people can travel around the world, the threat from an outbreak is multiplied.

And it's quite possibly here in the US. A Queens, NY school may have a case.

The US deals with pandemic flu here and maps outbreaks here.

227 ErnieG  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:57:52pm

re: #157 CyanSnowHawk

23 is a long life for a cat but not unheard of. My Pixel went at 18, my sister's Misty went at 19.

When my cat, Maggie, was 14, the vet said, "She's in pretty good shape for a fourteen year old cat." I said, "Yes, but if you just count the time she's been awake, she's only about three."

228 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:57:52pm

re: #209 unrealizedviewpoint

It was a very different time the 1980's. I believe Reagan erred by failing to recognize AIDs. He did fund some research, but didn't speak of it hardly.
I think that's the first any only negative I've ever stated with regard to President Ronald Reagan.

* * * *
Don't you remember Reagan's Surgeon General the guy who looked like an Amish Captain Kangaroo? That man talked about AIDS a lot I thought.

229 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:58:09pm

Winwood


230 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:58:18pm

re: #222 jcm

It was supposed to last 90 days. It's on day 1888.

Mars Rover Recovers from Amnesia

I almost wouldn't put it past that thing to somehow find it's way back home.

231 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:58:55pm

re: #230 Jimmah

I almost wouldn't put it past that thing to somehow find it's way back home.

V-ger?

232 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:59:00pm

re: #192 jhrhv

Somehow I doubt Jones bothers much with actual evidence or science when he comes up with conspiracy nutjob theories.

There's a good scene in an episode of the Simpsons that reminds me of the way Jones collects his information. The attorney Lionel Hutz is defending Homer (or Marge) and when asked about his trial prep or credentials he replies he was in a bar last night and L.A. Law (or some other law show) was on the TV. "The sound was down, but I got the gist of it".

233 PSGInfinity  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:06pm

I, for one, welcome our new viral overlords...

234 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:06pm

re: #206 Occasional Reader

You need to get out more.

Women are too expensive and a cat doesn't take half your shit it when it leaves you.

235 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:12pm

re: #225 Occasional Reader

[and whatamIchoppedliver? grumble grumble grumble]

Sorry OR, didn't see your post about this.

Note to self: read all of the comment before responding to one near the end of a thread.

236 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:12pm

re: #228 alegrias

* * * *
Don't you remember Reagan's Surgeon General the guy who looked like an Amish Captain Kangaroo? That man talked about AIDS a lot I thought.

* * * *
Dr. Koop?

237 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #231 DEZes

V-ger?

As long as it's not met by this guy.....

238 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:44pm

re: #226 lawhawk

I read something a while back that said something like; the last pandemic spread before the mass travel we have now. So the bug had probably been spreading and laying dormant as it popped up just about everywhere at the same time.

239 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:00:56pm

re: #193 alegrias

alegrias -

The Late Pres. Ronald Reagan was tarred with the misinformation that HE DIDN'T CARE about AIDS sufferers - WRONG! If nothing else, NANCY saw to it.
Former President "Bush 43" committed the US to $Billions in "AIDS-AID" to Africa. The "First Black President" of the US, William Jefferson (Blythe) Clinton committed $0.00 to African AIDS-AID. Further comments are superfluous.

-S-

240 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:01:16pm

re: #237 jcm

As long as it's not met by this guy.....

No way I am gonna play that crap. ;)

241 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:01:38pm

re: #214 BignJames

Develop a cat food that tastes like cat butt....you'll be rich.

Mouse flavor cat food.
Tweety bird flavor (for Sylvester)
Goldfish flavor

242 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:01:44pm

re: #228 alegrias

* * * *
Don't you remember Reagan's Surgeon General the guy who looked like an Amish Captain Kangaroo? That man talked about AIDS a lot I thought.

The guy who does commercials for LifeAlert.

I don't recall ever hearing him speak. I musta been busy.

243 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:01:52pm

re: #54 mikeymom

worry more about suicide bombers and enjoy

244 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:01:55pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Women are too expensive and a cat doesn't take half your shit it when it leaves you.

Cats aren't stupid enough to open joint bank accounts.

245 Last Mohican  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:01:57pm

re: #226 lawhawk

And it's quite possibly here in the US. A Queens, NY school may have a case.

The US deals with pandemic flu here and maps outbreaks here.

Thanks for the good links.

So far I think there are eight confirmed cases in Queens, right? And two more in Kansas?

I'm sure there are a lot more people in the U.S. who have it and haven't been identified yet. And by "a lot" I mean hundreds, not tens of millions.

246 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:02:10pm

re: #236 alegrias

alegrias -

Dr. Koop - YUP!

-S-

247 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:02:10pm

re: #213 Charles

By the way, Harry's Place is now having an epidemic of Spencer-related meltdowns.

Why do they always feel the need to do this?


field
26 April 2009, 1:41 am
Gene -
Don’t worry. I won’t be hanging around much longer.
I am a free speech, pro-democracy anti-Shariah activist. Why should I hang around here now it is becoming anti-free speech, anti-democracy and anti-those who oppose Shariah?
I’ll get my leaving message across and then I will be gone. No worries. Might take a few days. Feel free to bar me - and thus prove your absolute disdain for free speech.
This site has become a joke - and one in very poor taste. Originally I thought it was committed to free speech. But now I see the slogan has been removed reflecting the reality of the lead posters.
248 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:02:51pm

Terry Kath and Chicago....I'm a Man


I'm an Outski

249 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:03:05pm

re: #240 DEZes

No way I am gonna play that crap. ;)

I'm insulted you didn't enjoy my offering for a musical interlude!

;-)

250 SecondComing  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:03:30pm

re: #115 albusteve

cruise ships are THE place to get sick....

MFer! My wife and I leave for a cruise to Cozumel, Mexico this coming Thursday. It's been planned for a long time.

251 Throbert McGee  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:03:48pm

re: #119 HelloDare

They'll just falsely claim it's micro-evolution and say they believe in that.

Of course it's micro-evolution! Viruses are microscopic, ain't they?

//

252 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:03:50pm

re: #247 MJ

Classic strop or 'flounce-off' (love that term).

253 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:04:21pm

re: #249 jcm

I'm insulted you didn't enjoy my offering for a musical interlude!

;-)

Kirk cant sing.
it wasnt his best 1st destiny.
take an upding as an apology.

254 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:04:31pm

re: #213 Charles

By the way, Harry's Place is now having an epidemic of Spencer-related meltdowns.

They're like bugs attracted to a flame, singing their wings, and then coming back again and again to singe their wings and whine.

OR - it's like the old you can't fire me - I quit! speech on a loop.

255 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:04:47pm

re: #252 Jimmah

Classic strop or 'flounce-off' (love that term).

Was that you defending Charles over at Harry's? Good job.

256 Last Mohican  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:05:14pm

re: #209 unrealizedviewpoint

It was a very different time the 1980's. I believe Reagan erred by failing to recognize AIDs. He did fund some research, but didn't speak of it hardly.
I think that's the first any only negative I've ever stated with regard to President Ronald Reagan.

I remember some patient advocacy groups complaining that Reagan had never even uttered the word "AIDS" publicly, let alone ordered adequate resources to fight it.

I might be able to find a few negatives in the Iran-Contra issue, too, but that would be a whole other can of worms to open.

That's twice I've mentioned worms in this thread. I think I've never posted a comment mentioning worms before. What do you suppose that means?

257 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:05:30pm

Went over and read the Harry's Place threads.

Our meltdowns are more melty.

258 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:05:45pm

re: #253 DEZes

Kirk cant sing.
it wasnt his best 1st destiny.
take an upding as an apology.

LOL!

I think if aliens heard that, they'd be justified in invading.

259 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:06:02pm

re: #256 Last Mohican

Might be synchronicity.

260 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:06:30pm

re: #242 unrealizedviewpoint

The guy who does commercials for LifeAlert.

I don't recall ever hearing him speak. I musta been busy.

C. Everret Koop?

261 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:07:05pm

re: #253 DEZes

Kirk cant sing.
it wasnt his best 1st destiny.
take an upding as an apology.

I had his album anyway. I had Nimoy's also. Plus Nimoy's poetry book.

262 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:07:41pm

re: #261 Catttt

I had his album anyway. I had Nimoy's also. Plus Nimoy's poetry book.

What about Nimoy's photo book?

263 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:07:47pm

re: #239 Dr. Shalit

alegrias -

The Late Pres. Ronald Reagan was tarred with the misinformation that HE DIDN'T CARE about AIDS sufferers - WRONG! If nothing else, NANCY saw to it.
Former President "Bush 43" committed the US to $Billions in "AIDS-AID" to Africa. The "First Black President" of the US, William Jefferson (Blythe) Clinton committed $0.00 to African AIDS-AID. Further comments are superfluous.

-S-

* * ***
Dr. Shalit, you are right indeed.

On top of forcefully solving the Iran hostage crisis, ending Carter's inflation/recession, lifting our national malaise, giving our military the care & respect they deserved, liberating Granada, toppling the Soviet Union without a shot, and putting a smile back on our collective faces, Reagan did address AIDS.

And President Bush 43 did more for Africa than anyone is willing to acknowledge.

History will be kind to them, not their detractors.

264 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:08:01pm

re: #199 mikeymom

I was with my 14-yr old Border Collie at the very end. The only reason I didn't cry like a baby right then and there was because I more or less got it out of my system 2 days prior when they broke the news to me...

/For some random reason, I was thinking of getting the goofiest-looking butterscotch tabby and naming him Keyser Soz%#253

265 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:08:08pm

re: #260 CyanSnowHawk

C. Everret Koop?

His first name is Chicken. He uses the initial so people won't laugh at him.

266 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:08:10pm

Sorry to be way behind the times, but did the NYC cases actually turn out to be swine flu?
I just saw a crawl on local TV that kind of implied that they did.

267 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:08:21pm

re: #261 Catttt

I had his album anyway. I had Nimoy's also. Plus Nimoy's poetry book.

You got it bad. ;)

268 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:10pm

re: #265 HelloDare

His first name is Chicken. He uses the initial so people won't laugh at him.

His father was F.T. Koop.

269 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:12pm

People bought an album from kirk and spock...I think I'd rather have swine flu.

/BIG sarc

270 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:16pm

re: #256 Last Mohican

I remember some patient advocacy groups complaining that Reagan had never even uttered the word "AIDS" publicly, let alone ordered adequate resources to fight it.

I might be able to find a few negatives in the Iran-Contra issue, too, but that would be a whole other can of worms to open.

That's twice I've mentioned worms in this thread. I think I've never posted a comment mentioning worms before. What do you suppose that means?

I don't know Reagan knew of Iran-Contra, just should have. Now you went and made me say two negs on my hero.

Do you fish?

271 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:26pm

re: #264 Fenway_Nation

Keyser Sozë

PIMF

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:29pm

Bea Arthur died.

Maude is gone.

Abe Vigoda?

273 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:37pm

re: #262 MJ

What about Nimoy's photo book?

The one with all the naked fat women? No.

274 JacksonTn  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:09:58pm

Speaking of the getting loaded ...

Can't Find My Way Home ... Blind Faith ...

275 HelloDare  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:10:02pm

re: #268 MJ

Fly The?

276 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:10:18pm

re: #258 jcm

LOL!

I think if aliens heard that, they'd be justified in invading.

Thats hard to argue with. ;)

277 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:10:36pm

re: #275 HelloDare

Fly The?

Fly Teh

278 Last Mohican  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:10:43pm

re: #270 unrealizedviewpoint


Do you fish?

No. Maybe I should start.

279 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:10:46pm

re: #273 Catttt

The one with all the naked fat women? No.

Forgot about that one.
Was thinking of this one:

Shekhina

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

280 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:11:24pm

re: #275 HelloDare

Fly The?

Yeah, Flew The Koop.

281 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:11:44pm

re: #255 MJ

Yep that was me. Thanks to those on the previous thread here who supplied much of the info dispensed.

282 Last Mohican  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:11:52pm

re: #266 Lincolntf

Sorry to be way behind the times, but did the NYC cases actually turn out to be swine flu?
I just saw a crawl on local TV that kind of implied that they did.

According to the New York City Department of Health:

April 25, 2009 – The Health Department is investigating a cluster of respiratory illness in a non-public school in New York City and has determined that at least 8 students have probable human swine influenza. More than 100 of the school’s students were absent several days this week due to fever, sore throats and other flu-like symptoms. The Health Department has interviewed more than 100 students or their families, and all students have had mild symptoms; none have been hospitalized. Some family members have developed similar symptoms, suggesting spread in the family.

In response to confirmed cases of swine influenza (swine flu) in Mexico, California and Texas, the New York City Health Department is working closely with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to assess the possibility of the spread of swine flu.

283 PSGInfinity  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:12:15pm

re: #259 Catttt

Might be synchronicity.

Nah, that ain't synchronicity. This is...

284 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:12:17pm

Last of the fallout from the '04 WA Governors election debacle.

King County settles vote-records suit from 2004 governor race

King County has agreed to pay conservative blogger Stefan Sharkansky $225,000 to settle a public-records lawsuit he brought over the county's delay in releasing documents about the 2004 governor's election.

Sharkansky filed his request in December 2004, seeking a list of everyone who voted in the county in the election that year, but the county didn't satisfy the request until more than two years later.

County spokeswoman Carolyn Duncan said in an e-mail that information in the documents provided to Sharkansky would not have changed the outcome of the razor-thin race between Democrat Chris Gregoire and Republican Dino Rossi. Gregoire won by 133 votes following two recounts and a trial in Chelan County Superior Court.

Sharkansky, however, says the documents show that King County elections officials counted hundreds of ineligible ballots — including double votes and votes from unregistered or improperly registered voters. He says they could, indeed, have changed the outcome of the election.

285 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:13:04pm

re: #260 CyanSnowHawk

C. Everret Koop?

I looked for a YouTube video of his LifeAlert commercial. Not there. But I'm pretty certain.

286 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:13:07pm

re: #282 Last Mohican

Students Fall Ill in New York, and Swine Flu Is Likely Cause

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

287 Gang of One  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:13:09pm

re: #244 Catttt

Cats are too smart n't stupid enough to open joint bank accounts.

288 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:13:36pm

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Back when I was a rapscallion yoot, I would occasionally listen to the Beastie Boys.
Their line about Abe Vigoda still occasionally runs through my mind unbidden.

289 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:13:57pm

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bea Arthur died.

Maude is gone.

Abe Vigoda?

My dad used to curse the TV when Maude was on in the 70s. He hated that show but I thought it pretty funny. Imagine a prime-time sitcom now with a martini swilling husband? The first thing Walter did when he came home to go to the bar and start mixing.

290 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:14:11pm

re: #242 unrealizedviewpoint

The guy who does commercials for LifeAlert.

I don't recall ever hearing him speak. I musta been busy.

* * * *
Wow, thank you for that link which says under Dr. Koop, every American household received a notice about AIDS during the Reagan years!

Koop was amazing before he became Surgeon General and tackled AIDS, nicotine, sex education, etc. during the "square" Reagan years. Thank you again, for sharing his story.

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:14:46pm

re: #289 Sleepyone

In all fairness...if you were married to Maude?....

292 rain of lead  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:15:10pm

re: #224 DEZes

Curse human beasts.

I first saw that as curse human breasts and thought "damn.. what did boobies ever do to you" ;)

293 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:16:08pm

re: #250 SecondComing

MFer! My wife and I leave for a cruise to Cozumel, Mexico this coming Thursday. It's been planned for a long time.

enjoy! bring lots of hand sanitizers--you'll be fine!

294 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #279 MJ

Forgot about that one.
Was thinking of this one:

Shekhina

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Ahh. No. The man certainly loves the female form, though, doesn't he? I like that in a man.

295 PSGInfinity  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:16:26pm

re: #292 rain of lead

I first saw that as curse human breasts and thought "damn.. what did boobies ever do to you" ;)

Don't ask ... long story.

296 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:16:46pm

re: #282 Last Mohican

Thanks.
Sounds like the real deal. God, I hope that people pay attention and do the basic things required to prevent a larger spread.
It's probably too late for that, and the alternative is gonna be nasty.

297 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:16:48pm

This one looks legit.....

Navy 3, Pirates 0 Replay

The below story recounts the events surrounding the rescue of the captain of the MV Alabama from his captors, Somalia pirates. I received it from a Navy friend who claims it was written by a retired Admiral so it is third hand but I believe accurate, politics aside.

[snip]

The Navy SEAL team, SEAL TEAM SIX, from NSWC briefed the OSC (Commander Castellano, CO BAINBRIDGE) on how they could rescue the captain from the life boat with swimmers– “Combat Swimmers,” per se. That plan was denied by POTUS because it put the captain in danger– and, involved killing the pirates.

The FBI negotiators arrived on scene, and talked the pirates into sending their wounded man over for treatment Saturday morning. Later that afternoon, the SEAL’s sent over their RHIB with food and water to recon the life boat but the pirates shot at it. They could have taken them out then (from being fired upon) but were denied again being told that the captain was not in “imminent danger.” The FBI negotiators calmed the situation by informing the pirates of threatening weather as they could see storm clouds closing from the horizon, and offered to tow the life boat. The pirates agreed, and BAINBRIDGE took them under tow in their wake at 30 meters– exactly 30 meters, which is exactly the distance the SEALs practice their shooting skills.

With the lifeboat under tow, riding comfortably bow-down on BAINBRIDGE’s wake-wave (”rooster tail”), had a 17-second period of harmonic motion, and at the end of every half-period (8.5 seconds) was steady on. The light-enhanced (infra-red heat) monocular scopes on the SEAL’s .308 caliber Mark 11 Mod 0 H&K suppressor-fitted sniper rifles easily imaged their target very clearly. Pirates in a life boat at 30-meters could be compared to fish in a barrel. All that was necessary was to take out the plexiglass window so that it would not deflect the trajectory of the high velocity .308 round. So, a sniper (one of four) with a wad-cutter round (a flaxen sabot) would take out the window a split second before the kill-shot– no change in sight-picture, just the window blowing out, clean.

Now, here’s the part BHO’s “whiz kids” knew as well as the Navy hierarchy, including CO BAINBRIDGE and CO SEAL TEAM SIX. It’s the law in Article 19 of Appendix L in the “Convention of the High Seas” that the Commanding Officer of a US Ship on the high seas is obligated to respond to distress signals from any flagged ship (US or otherwise), and protect the life and property thereof when deemed to be in IMMINENT DANGER. So, in the final analysis, it would be Captain Castellano call as to “Imminent Danger,” and that he alone was obligated (duty bound) to act accordingly.

298 Sleepyone  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:16:50pm

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In all fairness...if you were married to Maude?....

The funny thing is, she looked nearly exactly like my aunt on my mother's side and they even dressed similarly. Maybe my dad was projecting?!

299 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:17:08pm

re: #262 MJ

What about Nimoy's photo book?

MJ -

OK, Lets get it out - Spock/Nimoy prefers his women with some "Meat on their bones." Forget thee NOT, Marilyn Monroe was a SIZE 16. She was No less a seductress for that fact.

-S-

300 So?  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:17:08pm

Yes viruses come and go, but if you knew the amount of animal pharmaceuticals are injected into every living chicken, pig and cow these days, you wouldn't eat meat again.

Plus, every 6 months or so BIG PHARMA comes up with the new improved anti-parasite or anti-this or that to fatten up your pig & cows so farmer Joe can send them to market quicker. Just as we humans have become resistant to antibiotics, so have chickens, pigs and cows. Alex may be a dick head, but the way animals are raised, sprayed, injected and slaughtered for human consumption will one day be the death of us.

301 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:17:28pm

re: #292 rain of lead

I first saw that as curse human breasts and thought "damn.. what did boobies ever do to you" ;)

We gotta talk. ;)

302 Gang of One  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:17:28pm

re: #293 mikeymom

enjoy! bring lots of hand sanitizers--you'll be fine!


But don't drink the milk -- or the water.

/L'il Rascal

303 mikeymom  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:17:58pm

re: #243 Mr Spiffy

worry more about suicide bombers and enjoy

tyvm-- we will--

304 SecondComing  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:18:27pm

somewhere Alex Jones is shouting into a megaphone:

SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!
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305 Gang of One  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:19:10pm

re: #304 SecondComing

That post actually hurts my eyes.
/:>)

306 alegrias  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:19:19pm

Craigslist may cause death! And be dangerous to your health.

Connecticut's Attorney General wants Craiglist to clean up its act.

What a pig sty.

307 SecondComing  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:19:48pm

re: #293 mikeymom

enjoy! bring lots of hand sanitizers--you'll be fine!

good idea! I'll do it.

308 Gang of One  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:20:52pm

re: #304 SecondComing

somewhere Alex Jones is shouting into a megaphone:

SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!
SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!
SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!
SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!
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I will not write on the board "SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!"
/stupid Simpsons reference

309 mamacares  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:21:15pm

I heard on the radio news (ABC) that the students in NY school with flu had just returned from Mexico. Also, of the Kansas cases, one party had been to Mexico.
Can't confirm.

310 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:21:17pm

re: #285 unrealizedviewpoint

I looked for a YouTube video of his LifeAlert commercial. Not there. But I'm pretty certain.

I used to install a competing system when I was in college. Got disgusted with the borderline elder abuse being displayed by the salespeople. Pointed out a couple things to some of the older customers with a request that they not say who told them, and quit shortly thereafter. The "Help me, I've fallen and I get get up" jokes never did get old.

311 Hhar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:21:31pm

re: #205 Catttt

:D

I'm going to scan my pic of him cleaning her butt, and her pushing on him with all four feet. Cute as the dickens. :D

You know, some conversations its just better to be either in on at the beginning, or just miss altogether......

312 SecondComing  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:22:46pm

re: #305 Gang of One

That post actually hurts my eyes.
/:>)

It's the same effect Alex Jones has on the ears. Well, nothing can match that.

313 jhrhv  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:22:48pm

re: #300 So?

I don't know that I would buy into the eating meat will be the death of us thing. I did however back in the mid 90's do a network install at a turkey and chicken processing plant in the UK. I was told it was 3 weeks from egg cell first splitting until it was on the shelf at the grocery store. It put me off chicken that was not free range and meat in general for a bit.

There is a lot of tech that goes into veg as well these days. It's part of trying to feed 6 billion.

314 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:23:06pm

re: #304 SecondComing

somewhere Alex Jones is shouting into a megaphone:

SWINE FLU IS AN INSIDE JOB!

Well it doesn't really work on the outside, it's got to get inside to make you sick.

315 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:25:57pm

If a vaccine becomes available, don't take it. Vaccines kill and give you autism.

Vitamins, prayer and hydrogen peroxide!

/

316 Occasional Reader  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:28:01pm

re: #297 jcm

This one looks legit.....

Navy 3, Pirates 0 Replay

Well...

I received it from a Navy friend who claims it was written by a retired Admiral so it is third hand but I believe accurate, politics aside.

I can't exactly swear on a stack of Bibles (or, in my case, er, copies of Atheism: The Case Against God) as to the provenance based on this, can you? I mean, it sounds credible, but...

317 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:28:28pm

re: #310 CyanSnowHawk

I used to install a competing system when I was in college. Got disgusted with the borderline elder abuse being displayed by the salespeople. Pointed out a couple things to some of the older customers with a request that they not say who told them, and quit shortly thereafter. The "Help me, I've fallen and I get get up" jokes never did get old.

Ethics are required to truly excel at sales.

318 jcm  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:29:39pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

I can't exactly swear on a stack of Bibles (or, in my case, er, copies of Atheism: The Case Against God) as to the provenance based on this, can you? I mean, it sounds credible, but...

Not at all, looks legit, terminology timelines etc... fits the reports etc....

All that said, big grain of salt.

319 avanti  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:34:36pm

re: #316 Occasional Reader

I can't exactly swear on a stack of Bibles (or, in my case, er, copies of Atheism: The Case Against God) as to the provenance based on this, can you? I mean, it sounds credible, but...

More on Pirategate (Version II) one of several 100 links. This one at least has a name and graduating class to follow up on. (Buddy Wellborn USNA ‘59)

Pirategate

320 livefreeor die  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:35:50pm

re: #9 screaming_eagle

It's all related to the Mayan calendar. Dec 22 2012 there will be a galaxy alignment and we all will go crazy. The weak minded people are starting to lose their minds now.

I'm hoping to go crazy celebrating on January 20, 2013.

321 Throbert McGee  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:37:26pm

re: #242 unrealizedviewpoint

The guy who does commercials for LifeAlert.

I don't recall ever hearing him speak. I musta been busy.

At the time, it was a HUGE deal when Dr. Koop, speaking in his capacity as a Republican-appointed Surgeon General, officially endorsed the position that condoms could reduce the risk of HIV transmission.

322 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:38:55pm

re: #261 Catttt

I had his album anyway. I had Nimoy's also. Plus Nimoy's poetry book.

My (late) cousin was in the same amateur theater group as Nimoy, back when he was in Boston.

323 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:39:47pm

Earth Day doom-and-gloom got you down? Think the predictions are iron-clad? Take a look at what the "experts" were saying 39 years ago.

My absolute favorite: “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970

Don't worry, be happy, and watch out for meteors! And stay away from the purple acid...

[Link courtesy of Medaura's rockin' husband.]

324 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:44:09pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

Clean air acts prevented those scenarios from coming true. It's known that pollution did in fact cause significant cooling in the mid century period.

PS That said, in some places in the far east, people actually do regularly wear masks in urban areas.

325 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:46:42pm

re: #324 Jimmah

Read the whole thing. Then tell me how good the predictions were.

326 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:47:15pm

re: #149 JacksonTn

albusteve ... 23?! ... I have never heard of a cat living that long ... I don't have cats so I don't know much about them ... we had a few as kids ... what is the average life of a cat? ...

based upon the two we have:
lay around all day
get fed
get fed
get fed
run rampant in the pre-dawn hours
get fed
nap
repeat

327 mich-again  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:52:06pm

Viruses don't breed. They replicate.

328 Throbert McGee  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:52:48pm

This link at nih.gov has more detail about C. Everett Koop and AIDS; it notes that he was indeed hamstrung to some degree by his political superiors during the first Reagan term, and that it wasn't till 1986 that the Reagan White House gave him the go-ahead to prepare an official public report on AIDS. Koop's unprecedented mass-mailing to American households endorsing condoms as part of an overall HIV-prevention strategy happened in 1988.

329 Achilles Tang  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:55:39pm

re: #324 Jimmah

Clean air acts prevented those scenarios from coming true. It's known that pollution did in fact cause significant cooling in the mid century period.

PS That said, in some places in the far east, people actually do regularly wear masks in urban areas.

Just checking in here before shutting down, but I did read the post link. Sounds like something for Glenn beck to run with. Probably he will tomorrow, as he already had his script for today (what little I saw of it).

However I do want to note that "cultured" in a lab is not the same meaning as "created" in a lab, but that is probably a moot point to creationist conspiratists (did I make up that word?)./

As to wearing masks, mostly the type the type sold to construction workers to remove dust which is a million times larger particle size than a virus, that is what one can call a good example of a placebo, except while the pill type can sometimes work, this one won't.

Goodnight.

330 NY Nana  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:57:10pm

re: #9 screaming_eagle

It's all related to the Mayan calendar. Dec 22 2012 there will be a galaxy alignment and we all will go crazy. The weak minded people are starting to lose their minds now.

Yipes! That is my daughter's birthday!

331 Achilles Tang  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 7:59:56pm

re: #327 mich-again

Viruses don't breed. They replicate.

Genetically speaking, they do breed. They just need a helping hand, so to speak.

:D

332 aidos  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:04:09pm

"If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists."

That's right. It's only a matter of an eternity or two before the virus evolves into something other than another strain of virus. Maybe a blogger.

333 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:04:47pm

re: #200 Catttt

To quote the great Groucho Marx, "Who are you going to believe - me, or your own lying eyes?"

ftfy

334 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:04:55pm

re: #332 aidos

Here they come!

335 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:06:19pm

Of course, if you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, it's pretty difficult to imagine the time scale of a virus's life span.

336 Capitalistincharge  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:07:30pm

Evening Lizards! From my college days and 4 semesters of Communicable Disease classes, I would say that this Flu outbreak has the potential to be pretty bad. Charles is right in that we are long overdue to a global pandemic. The fact that 1000 cases are being reported in Mexico, for the last 48 hours, indicates to me that the Mexican Govt is withholding alot of information. 1000 becomes 10,000 real easy and in this day and age of global travel it becomes 1,000,000,000 easily. I would suggest that since there are confirmed cases in NYC, Kansas, California and Texas the spread has begun. By the way, the masks that you need are the N95 type that can filter viruses.

337 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:09:20pm
That's right. It's only a matter of an eternity or two before the virus evolves into something other than another strain of virus. Maybe a blogger.



Adios, aidos.

338 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:17:15pm

If any of these "scientists' spouting this bs would go and look at the conditions that spawn avian/swine flu, they'd wonder why in hell we don't have more outbreaks. Frickin' idiots.

339 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:23:04pm

The flu of 1918 killed more people than died in World War 1.

340 SouthTexas  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:26:15pm

Grandson's pigs had nothing to do with it!

341 chemicalcorpse  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:31:39pm

How does a virus (or ANY pathogen) selectively effect most seriously the strongest potential host (young, strong persons).... the usual fear mongering tells us to inoculate the old, immunocompromised, and the very young.

Am I to assume the usual potential victims are somehow not at risk to the same degree as the stated group?

Vaccines not even designed to address the specific footprint of this particular strain aren't available. Masks won't help; wash your hands, cover your face when you sneeze/cough and STAY HOME when you are ill are the best practical defenses (besides eating healthy and upping the antioxidant intake).

342 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:33:14pm

aidos
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Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 8:56 pm
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Just sayin'.

343 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:34:20pm

re: #332 aidos

"If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists."

That's right. It's only a matter of an eternity or two before the virus evolves into something other than another strain of virus. Maybe a blogger.

Booger to blogger...you're evolving aidos...keep working on it.

aidos
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 8:56 pm
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344 chemicalcorpse  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:35:27pm

One more thing; epidemiologically speaking.... any pathogen (virus, bacteria, whatever) doesn't mutate as more virulent. The longer the pathogen is in the environment and is diluted by interaction with multitudes of hosts it is lessened in its pathogenicity and virulence.

The bell curve of incident of infection doesn't relate to pathogenicity.

345 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:38:03pm

re: #340 SouthTexas

Grandson's pigs had nothing to do with it!

If everyone would eat cabrito we wouldn't have these problems.
/

346 SouthTexas  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:41:39pm

re: #345 jorline

Need bacon!

347 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:43:09pm

Previously posted by aidos:

Wake me when the coli starts crawling out of the petri dish, eating bananas, and swinging around the rafters of the lab.

I didn't come from no monkey, dammit!

348 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:46:20pm

re: #332 aidos

"If anyone reading LGF still doubts evolution, this is your proof that it exists."

That's right. It's only a matter of an eternity or two before the virus evolves into something other than another strain of virus. Maybe a blogger.

Life has been on this planet for at least 3 1/2 billion years; plenty of time for random genetic mutation and nonrandom environmental selection to do its work.

[Link: superfoodmarinephytoplankton.com...]

And we have actually reconstructed long-extinct retroviral strains from the sequences that they have spliced into genomes, including those of great apes and our own (those selfsame artifactual retroviral sequences, btw, conclusively demonstrate byond rational statistical doubt that humans and great apes evolutionarily diverged from ancient common ancestors).

[Link: www.bio-medicine.org...]

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

349 Macker  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:47:32pm

re: #347 Charles

Previously posted by aidos:

I didn't come from no monkey, dammit!

This isn't where the Stork comes into play, does it?

/snicker

350 Capitalistincharge  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:01:47pm

re: #341 chemicalcorpse

It has to do with people in the 25-45 age group having a strong immune system. The strong immune system, once infected with the virus, tends to turn against it's self and causes a meltdown. So, in the case of the H type virus, it's good to have a good immune system but not a great one. You don't want to take immune boosters if you get this type of flu. It increases your chances of killing you.

351 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:07:43pm

ZOMG

yeah, it's been cultured in a lab, within the last two weeks.

sweet, merciful heavens.

352 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:16:47pm

re: #336 Capitalistincharge

Evening Lizards! From my college days and 4 semesters of Communicable Disease classes, I would say that this Flu outbreak has the potential to be pretty bad. Charles is right in that we are long overdue to a global pandemic. The fact that 1000 cases are being reported in Mexico, for the last 48 hours, indicates to me that the Mexican Govt is withholding alot of information. 1000 becomes 10,000 real easy and in this day and age of global travel it becomes 1,000,000,000 easily. I would suggest that since there are confirmed cases in NYC, Kansas, California and Texas the spread has begun. By the way, the masks that you need are the N95 type that can filter viruses.

Well, to be fair to the Mexican government, they are a little busy with their drug war right now. They probably weren't expecting to have to deal with something like this....and they had to send samples to the US and Canada for full analysis.

I'm not as willing to cut our government as much slack, however. I'm pretty sure they still haven't announced any travel warnings or restrictions, which means that carriers or folks who are infected but not showing symptoms yet are still travelling freely from Mexico to the US.

really, really dumb.

353 UncleSam  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:40:28pm

re: #350 Capitalistincharge

It has to do with people in the 25-45 age group having a strong immune system. The strong immune system, once infected with the virus, tends to turn against it's self and causes a meltdown. So, in the case of the H type virus, it's good to have a good immune system but not a great one. You don't want to take immune boosters if you get this type of flu. It increases your chances of killing you.

That's why the Spanish Flu (the 1918 pandemic) killed so many.
They had an overreaction to it.

354 stuiec  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:50:46pm

re: #199 mikeymom

just once, i would like to have a cat die peacefully in his sleep. i hate having to make the decision and hold them. sigh

We were blessed that our 17-year-old cat just went into the backyard and fell asleep in the sunshine.

355 So?  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:56:26pm

re: #313 jhrhv

I don't know that I would buy into the eating meat will be the death of us thing. I did however back in the mid 90's do a network install at a turkey and chicken processing plant in the UK. I was told it was 3 weeks from egg cell first splitting until it was on the shelf at the grocery store. It put me off chicken that was not free range and meat in general for a bit.

There is a lot of tech that goes into veg as well these days. It's part of trying to feed 6 billion.

Does that make it right? Small farms were and are very capable of handling world demands for food until the fast food giants came in and changed the playing field. They eliminated all the small farms in the US, and then moved on third world counties who were plied with genetically modified grains by companies like Dupont. No conspiracy, just good ole GREED. If you ask me , it all stinks. I did animal health pharmaceutical advertising back in the late 80s for about 5 years. It made me sick to my stomach as I learned the truth. It's 20 years later, I can only imagine what drug concoctions have been hatched over the past 2 decades.

We can feed 6 billion and the small farms of the early 1900s are capable. Just fast food giants bought them all out. And we the greedy out of control people want our strawberries when we want them. For small farms it was a matter of toe the line or we don't buy from you. In other words, you're out of business. Plus we fucked up 3rd world villages who were producing their own food. It was The American way, or no way.

I mean look at the past 5 years alone with one contaminated hamburger patty results in 25 million being thrown away. Bigger isn't always better. We're in for BIG TROUBLE. I don't need an Alex Jones to spin his BS. to see a predictable pattern.


By the way, up to 1000 suspected have been reported so far in Mexico alone. If within the next week the number of dead rises another 50 or so, I don't think there's much to worry about. But if by this time next Saturday 2000 people are dead from this thing. We're fucked.

356 Hhar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:58:27pm

I blame Darwinian biology. If Darwin wasn't taught in our schools, these viruses would never have mutated.


(Please, G-d, tell me I don't have to put a sarc tag on there....please.....)

357 So?  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:58:53pm

re: #353 UncleSam

That's why the Spanish Flu (the 1918 pandemic) killed so many.
They had an overreaction to it.

So the best thing to do, is start doing heroin, speed, crack, booze it up, don't eat, get your immune system in the toilet and eventually, you'll live to see another day.

To sarc or not to sarc, ahhh you decide.

358 So?  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:01:18pm

re: #355 So?

The other thing we've done is cut done on biodiversity of hundreds of crops. So if one gets some parasite or virus, etc...most likely all do. Before, there was way more diversity so what would affect one food group, would not necessarily affect another.

359 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:04:12pm

re: #353 UncleSam

That's why the Spanish Flu (the 1918 pandemic) killed so many.
They had an overreaction to it.

Ah, no. In 1918 there weren't antibiotics for secondary infections. People lived in crowded cities. It was at the end of WWI, and people were tired and some were hungry, probably.

Or were you making that point as well?

360 Archimedes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:08:22pm

re: #213 Charles

By the way, Harry's Place is now having an epidemic of Spencer-related meltdowns.

Hey, let's go to Harry's Place! :-D

361 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:08:41pm
362 Archimedes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:35pm

re: #361 Happy Fun Ball

Here's some more nuttiness:

Is the Mexican Swine Flu a genetically engineered weapon?

I'm worried about the killer joke. It's top secret, hush, hush.

363 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:20:55pm

Tammy Bruce was talking about this on talk radio this afternoon, and how convenient it is in that the Mexican government is considering marshal law because of swine flu. Wasn't in the car long enough to hear what she was saying previously or after, but she's highly skeptical of this whole thing. In the meantime there's no tightening the borders. That's crazy.

Anybody else know about the marshal law thing, or was she overreacting?

364 pink freud  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:24:10pm

re: #363 ladycatnip

From Bloomberg:

April 25 (Bloomberg) -- Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared an emergency in his country’s swine flu outbreak, giving him powers to order quarantines and suspend public events.

Authorities have canceled school at all levels in Mexico City and the state of Mexico until further notice, and the government has shut most public and government activities in the area. The emergency decree, published today in the state gazette, gives the president authority to take more action.

“The federal government under my charge will not hesitate a moment to take all, all the measures necessary to respond with efficiency and opportunity to this respiratory epidemic,” Calderon said today during a speech to inaugurate a hospital in the southern state of Oaxaca.

365 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:21pm

re: #363 ladycatnip

Calderon is doing the right things for the past couple of days. Our stupid government isn't moving to protect the US population in any meaningful way yet...hopefully that will change.

366 dry_heavz_4_alla  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 12:04:01am

re: #329 Naso Tang

As to wearing masks, mostly the type the type sold to construction workers to remove dust which is a million times larger particle size than a virus, that is what one can call a good example of a placebo, except while the pill type can sometimes work, this one won't.

Just happened to have read this article about the Japanese obsession with these masks:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

367 Wendya  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 2:14:44am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

These days I don't have much positive to say about them because I don't see many positive things. When Republicans do something good I have no trouble acknowledging it.

But would you recognize it?

368 Wendya  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 2:18:34am

re: #363 ladycatnip

In the meantime there's no tightening the borders. That's crazy.

What good is tightening the borders when the virus can hop on an airplane or car inside an American citizen and boogie on across the border? In today's reality, it's impossible to isolate this kind of outbreak.

369 jhrhv  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 5:47:28am

re: #355 So?

I live rural an hour drive from a large city. There are farms all around me animal, fruit and veg. There are of course those that are big farm industry places that supply companies like Mars with milk (20 minute drive away to the local Mars plant). There are also several farmers that have been supplying the locals like me with off the market everything. I get local eggs, local meat sometimes usually not (the big farm product is better IMO), local fruit and veg when it's season just because I like to support the local guy.

There are more organic farms and produce stores near me and in the city then ever before because the demand is there. The science is that organic is no better for safety or in vitamin content. There is some question as to the safety of growing organic based on using strictly manure for fertalizing and ecoli entering the food chain that way.

While pumping foods with science is not natural and there is the possibility of adverse side effects I don't believe anyone would do it if they actually thought it made the products unsafe. It's not just greed either. If it were not for the many advances in farming we could not feed all the people on the planet. Just look at places like India and a lot of Africa. If it was not for farming advances those people would literally be dead or starving to death. They are as it is. It's a lot easier to be picky and complain when you live in a land of abundance.

Modern farming might not be perfect. I agree with you 1 bad animal in the supply can cause huge recalls but that is often about erring on the side of safety.

370 aggieann  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:35:54am

This map of charting a probable spread of the disease across the country is interesting:
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

371 Cato  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:36:38am

It seems less likely to me that this strain of flu transmit itself by airbourne means than by others means. It is already hot in Mexico, but it is cold that permits the flu virus to survive longer in the air. If this is NOT an airbourne contagion, as I suggest, then how else can it be tranmitted?

Is it possible pork products can carry it?

372 Cato  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:46:34am

This explains the temperature, humidity and flu relationship:

[Link: www.newscientist.com...]

373 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:05:09am

re: #372 Cato

The virus is spread through contact or inhaling. It is not strictly airborne. For instance, an infected person coughs or sneezes into their hand and touches a hand railing in the subway. Along you come and you grab the hand railing then rub your eye. The sick person is sitting near you in the subway and sneezes. The particles become airborne and you then inhale a particle or two. That is why, ideally, you would wear a mask and biohazard gloves or make sure you have no cuts or hangnails on your hands and practice fastidious hygiene.

374 neverquit  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:45:35am

BREAKING NEWS! URGENT! CONGRESS CLOSED!

Due to the high levels of Pork........couldn't resist.....

375 Cato  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #373 Capitalistincharge

The difficulty of spreading it by airborne means in this season may slow its spread and give some time to create a flu vaccine in time for high flu season.

376 Cato  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:47:04am

re: #374 neverquit

We can hope.

377 CEQAttorney  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:50:22am

OMG, IT'S THE HAND OF GOD COMING TO SMACK DOWN YOU HEATHENS!

REPENT, I SAY REPENT!

Now excuse me while I look at some pron on the internets.

Heh.

378 grumpy old codger  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 11:48:35am

I believe that God did create the world, however, I don't believe it happened x number of years ago. I believe that God, knowing us to be silly, spoke to us in a parable of sorts that made it easier for us to understand. Again, natural selection is a fact, but, Charles, get a grip! You appear to be in danger of going overboard. You might have just as easily referred to the moths of London who changed colors to cope with the environmental changes (coal smog, etc., of victorian England). There are other numerous examples. You are becoming an extremist.

379 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 12:47:45pm

re: #378 grumpy old codger

Charles, get a grip! You appear to be in danger of going overboard. You might have just as easily referred to the moths of London who changed colors to cope with the environmental changes (coal smog, etc., of victorian England). There are other numerous examples. You are becoming an extremist.

What the hell. This has to be one of the dumbest comments yet.

Now it's "extremism" to state completely uncontroversial facts about the rapid evolution of viruses?

OK, then I'm an "extremist."

Good grief.

380 grumpy old codger  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 2:30:18pm

Well, no more than I am, I guess.

381 charles_martel  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 3:33:53pm

I guess when the swine flu becomes airborne, it is.....

.....wait for it......

pigs flying!

382 chemicalcorpse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:10am

What's passing for informed discussion here is plain silly; viruses are inert until they infect a living organism (host) so their 'survival' in the environment can be (in some cases) indefinite.

Earlier pandemics had more to do with public health issues than pathogenesis or virulence of the responsible organism.

Autoimmune imbalance is not a normal event; H class virus is no more likely to initiate this phenomena than any other. Healthy immune systems can fight off any pathogen effectively if supported with the proper micro nutrients or pharmacy (in worst cases).

The scaremongering for our Imperial Obamament is bad enough.... we don't need uniformed option contaminating the discussion of FACT.

383 landivar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 10:06:21am

Sigh, stop posting the crazy people's conspiracy theories on here. It only gives interest and add revenue to their craziness, and thus propagates it.

384 landivar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 10:10:29am

"What's passing for informed discussion here is plain silly; viruses are inert until they infect a living organism (host) so their 'survival' in the environment can be (in some cases) indefinite."

Entirely untrue... The viruses DNA (or RNA as the case may be) has a finite shelf life. Without being reproduced by hosts it will decay.
The longest lasting viruses like smallpox can last for over a decade, but most can't last anywhere near that long.

385 landivar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 10:17:52am

Sorry about the triple posting but the amount of incorrectness in chemicalcorpse's post is annoying me.

"Autoimmune imbalance is not a normal event; H class virus is no more likely to initiate this phenomena than any other. Healthy immune systems can fight off any pathogen effectively if supported with the proper micro nutrients or pharmacy (in worst cases)."
Again, completely wrong!

The influenza epidemic in the early 1900's was a case of the influenza virus killing off people with healthy immune systems while leaving the old mostly untouched. The same thing seems to be happening with this flu. This is caused by the immune reaction known as a "cytokine storm."

This isn't the only virus to cause damage through autoimmune problems, Hep D (yes D) causes autoimmune attacks on the patient's corneas.

Flu pandemics happen when the virus mutates enough that our immune systems can't recognize it as similar to other flu viruses. This can happen from it crossing the species barrier (it mutates a while in another species then crosses over to humans again with a lot of differences from other influenzas).

386 lawrior  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:45:01pm

I usually listen to Jones' show on Sunday afternoon while driving. It's usually pretty hilarious, but after a while, I have to turn it off because that garbage will start crowding out the useful things I know, i.e. reason & the ability to not drive into embankments.

387 Lawrior  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:49:02pm

re: #42 cronus

Those allegations against factory farms are already out there. Katherine Albrecht, author of Spychips, made the claim last week.

388 freedomrules19  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:54:32pm

Do viruses "breed"? I thought they reproduced in a non-sexual manner (i.e., hijacking the host cell's DNA and cell replicating mechanisms).

They certainly mutate, but I thought that was their only mechanism for evolving.

389 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:29:37pm

re: #388 freedomrules19

Do viruses "breed"? I thought they reproduced in a non-sexual manner (i.e., hijacking the host cell's DNA and cell replicating mechanisms).

They certainly mutate, but I thought that was their only mechanism for evolving.

Maybe "breeding" isn't the right word, but viruses certainly do reproduce: Viral evolution:

Viral evolution is a subfield of evolutionary biology that is specifically concerned with the evolution of viruses. Many viruses, in particular RNA viruses, have short generation times and relatively high mutation rates (on the order of one point mutation or more per genome per round of replication for RNA viruses). This elevated mutation rate, when combined with natural selection, allows viruses to quickly adapt to changes in their host environment.

390 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 6:46:58pm

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