Writing about the latest anti-vaccination insanity published at Huffington Post, Phil Plait says:
I am embarrassed I ever wrote anything for HuffPo, which is now a cesspool of misleading misinformation.
I could have told you that long ago, Phil. But we all have our blind spots, I guess.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:36pm |
I am embarrassed I ever wrote anything for HuffPo, which is now a cesspool of misleading misinformation.
I would have called it a cesspool of left-wing bigotry, but "misleading information" works too.
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rain of lead Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:41pm |
toto, I don't think we're in kansas anymore
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Kulhwch Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:45pm |
We're all allowed one mistake, I guess.
}:) [Except Jim Carey. He's a tard.]
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MrPaulRevere Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:50:01pm |
Craziness at the Huffington Post? knock me over with a feather.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:55:27pm |
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:56:58pm |
More heads exploding!
kaBLAM!
Yup. When I read that my brain asploded*.
I am embarrassed I ever wrote anything for HuffPo, which is now a cesspool of misleading misinformation. Funny though; I still get people asking me "What’s the harm in believing in things that aren’t real?"
What’s the harm?
Polio.
Smallpox.
Pertussis.
Mumps.
Measles (with possibility of encephalitis and permanent brain damage).
Hib.
Death.
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Lincolntf Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:58:07pm |
Haven't read the whole article yet, but I find that people who oppose vaccination generally oppose people as a whole.
As for HuffPo, one of the most embarassing episodes in Obama's fledging period has been his calling on their rep. at a press conference.
How we've gotten to the point where all serious people have to ignore the news in order to be informed is beyond me, but here we are.
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Kulhwch Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:59:21pm |
Why, click her bio! It says she’s "a licensed acupuncturist, certified clinical nutritionist, and a homeopath. She has a Master’s Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine and a Doctorate in Homeopathic Medicine."kaBLAM!
Yup. When I read that my brain asploded*.
...
*I keep wondering how you get a doctorate in homeopathy. Maybe the less you study the more powerful your learning is. Or you could grind up the people who passed the exams the year before, mix one molecule of them with water, and drink up!
}:) ['Spodey heads! It must be Saturday night!]
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ladycatnip Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:59:29pm |
Excellent piece, but unfortunately some folks don't like reality. I'm just glad my kids are grown, otherwise I'd be a little nervous to send them to school nowadays since vaccines aren't a requirement for enrollment.
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formercorpsman Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:59:38pm |
One post, and then bed.
Just Friday, I was speaking with a school teacher & we stumbled on to this subject.
If you don't think this craziness is spreading, you are fooling yourself.
With some people it is case closed. Even teachers.
It was fact with her. Mercury=Autism.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:00:11pm |
Currently posting LGF-hating comments at Harry's Place: "sheik yer'mami" who was banned from LGF after several disgusting racist remarks, including calling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "pickaninny," and after comments calling for the mass internment and deportation of Muslims from Western countries.
This guy is one of the most vile bigoted haters in the blogosphere.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:01:33pm |
Here's the link:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
This happens whenever any blogger posts something positive about LGF. People like this hate-spewing moron come out of the woodwork.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:01:50pm |
5 cases of Hib, a totally preventable disease, occurred in Minnesota in 2008.
One of the unimmunized patients, a 7 month old infant, died of Hib meningitis.
That's enough right there. This nonsensical movement is responsible for the death of this infant. Hib vaccine has never been associated with any sequelae.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:03:13pm |
The reason they give Jim Carrey carte blanche is because he's a celebrity. And it's not just on the Huffington Post but all over the MSM. Had this been promoted by an ordinary citizen they would probably ignore it. Regardless of that it's pretty outrageous that they're giving these ignorant louts a podium to spread their stupidity which many people will buy because of their celebrity status.
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Zimriel Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:03:19pm |
One of the commenters mentioned HPV. That was something our governor, Rick Perry, got right. He was the first governor to mandate that girls take this vaccination.
He took a lot of flack from anti-vaxxers, and the social Right, and the kind of "moderate" who likes to tee off on "Big Pharma".
So, although he's an anti-science blowhard who deserves to lose, at least when it comes down to it he is not pro-disease.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:05:21pm |
But sincerity doesn’t make you right.
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I think it's sincerity. Those who subscribe to the notion that sincerity is a trump card in politics, sociology, life- they fail to ever look at the results of their sincerity because it doesn't matter- they were sincere, and that's what matters to them. And when their sincerity fails, it's a sign they need to be more sincere. It's a terrible, vicious cycle. It's good to see someone breakout from that trap.
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MrPaulRevere Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:05:52pm |
re: #16 Charles
"This guy is one of the most vile bigoted haters in the blogosphere."...And that's saying something. That bar is pretty low now. I am stunned by the vitriol floating around and I'm no schoolboy.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:06:08pm |
re: #17 Charles
Here's the link:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
This happens whenever any blogger posts something positive about LGF. People like this hate-spewing moron come out of the woodwork.
They keep repeating the same themes over and over again. Most of their rage is based on being booted off of LGF. The rest is them spewing their bigotry which got them booted from LGF to begin with.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:06:37pm |
re: #20 Zimriel
One of the commenters mentioned HPV. That was something our governor, Rick Perry, got right. He was the first governor to mandate that girls take this vaccination.
He took a lot of flack from anti-vaxxers, and the social Right, and the kind of "moderate" who likes to tee off on "Big Pharma".
So, although he's an anti-science blowhard who deserves to lose, at least when it comes down to it he is not pro-disease.
Indeed. Now, if only he's kick his creationist habit.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:06:37pm |
re: #18 FightingBack
Three patients had meningitis, one had pneumonia, and one had epiglottis, a throat infection that requires an emergency tracheostomy (hole punched in the neck for air to rush into.) Most surgeons don't have any experience treating this disease, since the vaccine has eradicated it.
Lotsa Luck.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:07:25pm |
Pretty soon, someone will come out with a book explaining that electricity doesn't work. This whole anti-vax thing is pretty interesting. It is as if they didn't want vacinations to work. Making anything safer is always a good idea, but I have noticed that when "concern" is used, "con" is often the real objective.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:08:57pm |
re: #27 swamprat
Pretty soon, someone will come out with a book explaining that electricity doesn't work. This whole anti-vax thing is pretty interesting. It is as if they didn't want vacinations to work. Making anything safer is always a good idea, but I have noticed that when "concern" is used, "con" is often the real objective.
Yep.
"Shoulder belts can cause broken collar bones."
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pink freud Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:09:14pm |
Slightly OT:
This is a public health discussion blog manned by health care professionals that looks to be quite informative. Member of Scienceblogs.com. Presently there are several real-time threads running on this new swine flu.
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solomonpanting Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:09:40pm |
These folks may honestly care about others, and may be honestly trying to help. I’m sure that’s the case for Fitzgerald, who seems sincere.
But sincerity doesn’t make you right. And in the case of the antivaxxers it can make you — and everyone else — sick. Very sick indeed.
Sincerity: a deeply-held feeling used to prop up the torso after fact's legs are discarded.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:27pm |
re: #17 Charles
Here's the link:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
This happens whenever any blogger posts something positive about LGF. People like this hate-spewing moron come out of the woodwork.
How are they about clicking on ads? I could write something nice about you and open comments, I've got all day tomorrow to moderate.
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Kulhwch Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:37pm |
re: #16 Charles
"sheik yer'mami" who was banned from LGF after several disgusting racist remarks, including calling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "pickaninny,"
I attest to this, as I was one that complained about this particular remark.
}:P [Sit and spin, sheik!]
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:44pm |
sheik yer'mami probably not going to be happy with me now, but he didn't like me anyways, so it's no loss.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:11:25pm |
re: #26 FightingBack
Three of the affected children received no vaccinations due to parental refusal.
A 5 month old had received two Hib vaccinations, but wasn't old enough for a complete series. This was a case of failure of herd immunity to protect him until the series could be completed. The children who were not vaccinated were responsible for his illness, even though his parents were doing the proper thing.
The ignorant harmed him.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:12:00pm |
sycophants
The latest anti-lgf buzzword.
You see this word in the comments, your ears should perk right up.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:12:16pm |
I wonder if we can get an opinion on this from William Woody?
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funky chicken Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:13:12pm |
re: #12 Lincolntf
Some of them are just deeply stupid. I keep reading comments from anti-vaxxers at other sites all over the web, and one common accusation is that the thimerosal preservative was used as an agent of genocide.
Um, genocide against whom? Homo sapiens?
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jorline Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:13:43pm |
Anti-Vaccination HuffPo Humpers shoot blanks as usual.
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Racer X Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:14:24pm |
"I got banned from LGF and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:15:31pm |
If the swine flu hits anyone in the Hollywood crowd, I wonder if Jenny McCarthy is going to refuse a vaccine?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:16:30pm |
re: #39 jorline
Anti-Vaccination HuffPo Humpers shoot blanks as usual.
Jorline, the sad part is they are not shooting blanks. People believe this crap. By pushing this anti-vacc horse-crap, Ariana Huffington is getting people killed.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:16:35pm |
Of course, what's sad is spencer has to rely on racists like 'sheik yer'mami' to run around the net and defend him. Probably not a good idea to have bigots defending you from "nazi apologist" labels.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:16pm |
re: #40 Racer X
"I got banned from LGF and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"
Somebody call a whambulance! Yep, then they'll cut and paste comments over at LGF2 and try to bolster each others weeks egos while discussing the virtues of Young Earth Creationism and their Nazi allies across the pond.
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Zimriel Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:24pm |
re: #38 funky chicken
Some of them are just deeply stupid. I keep reading comments from anti-vaxxers at other sites all over the web, and one common accusation is that the thimerosal preservative was used as an agent of genocide.
Um, genocide against whom? Homo sapiens?
No, against germs! That's whole ecosystems of virus and bacteria that Big Pharma is unilaterally wiping out, in league with uncaring Darwinists.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:40pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
Somebody call a whambulance! Yep, then they'll cut and paste comments over at LGF2 and try to bolster each others weeks egos while discussing the virtues of Young Earth Creationism and their Nazi allies across the pond.
Weak egos. That is.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:58pm |
re: #41 Walter L. Newton
If the swine flu hits anyone in the Hollywood crowd, I wonder if Jenny McCarthy is going to refuse a vaccine?
Won't be long before she's facing that choice:
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:16pm |
re: #41 Walter L. Newton
If the swine flu hits anyone in the Hollywood crowd, I wonder if Jenny McCarthy is going to refuse a vaccine?
She will claim that she got it from a vaccinated person who caught the disease from the vaccine itself.
You aren't thinking "lefty".
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:25pm |
re: #19 Gus 802
Isn't that just insane?
Since when does making a few movies make one an expert on health or politics or the economy?
I wish celebrities could just be seen and not heard.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:33pm |
re: #45 Zimriel
No, against germs! That's whole ecosystems of virus and bacteria that Big Pharma is unilaterally wiping out, in league with uncaring Darwinists.
Big Pharma! Not unlike Wall Street Wars (Manfred Rouhs)! //
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funky chicken Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:36pm |
read the top comment for an example of somebody calling thimerisol "genocide"
[Link: www.rangelmd.com...]
it's a good post about the stupidity of Jenny McCarthy, and has a pic of her People magazine cover shot. I don't think she's even very attractive, or it's just a bad picture
love the title of the doctor's post though:
Jenny McCarthy: Autism Expert and Harbinger of Death
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MrPaulRevere Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:19:45pm |
re: #41 Walter L. Newton
I bet they are all furiously making appointments for the necessary shots. Air headed dilettantes, 80% of them.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:19:53pm |
re: #49 meeshlr
Isn't that just insane?
Since when does making a few movies make one an expert on health or politics or the economy?
I wish celebrities could just be seen and not heard.
Probably since Meryl Streep became an "expert witness" for a congressional hearing about apples.
Or something.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:20:15pm |
re: #35 FightingBack
Before Hib vaccine, Hib was the most common cause of bacterial meningitis in the USA, with 10,000 cases annually. There were 10,000 additional cases of serious disease, pneumonias, arthritis, skin infections and the fatal throat infection that I mentioned above.
A total of 221 cases were reported in 2007. The vaccine stops colonization of the nose and throat, and therefore decreases the circulation of this organism among children.
The Vaccine has no reported serious side effects. (In my office, I have had no side effects, not even minor ones, since I started to use it, about 1992.)
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Zimriel Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:20:55pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
Big Pharma! Not unlike Wall Street Wars (Manfred Rouhs)! //
Uncanny. I was thinking of writing "Big Pharma and Wall Street" but I deleted that last phrase as being too obvious.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:03pm |
re: #55 Zimriel
Uncanny. I was thinking of writing "Big Pharma and Wall Street" but I deleted that last phrase as being too obvious.
Yeah. It's all a part of their repertoire. Think of a populist cause to blame "it" on and then go for the cliche.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:48pm |
re: #55 Zimriel
Uncanny. I was thinking of writing "Big Pharma and Wall Street" but I deleted that last phrase as being too obvious.
A lot of the leftists behind this anti-vaccination stuff actually believe that it's all a plot to fund "Big Pharma". They're as loony as the creationists on the right.
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jorline Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:52pm |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
Jorline, the sad part is they are not shooting blanks. People believe this crap. By pushing this anti-vacc horse-crap, Ariana Huffington is getting people killed.
I hear ya Dark, but I'm willing to bet the majority partake...closet vaccine libs. Kind of like Baptist don't drink.
Q-How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all of you beer on a fishing trip?
A-Invite two Baptist.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:25:38pm |
re: #43 Sharmuta
Of course, what's sad is spencer has to rely on racists like 'sheik yer'mami' to run around the net and defend him. Probably not a good idea to have bigots defending you from "nazi apologist" labels.
Yes, it's very sad, but it is what Spencer, Bodissey, and Dymphna seem to have come to depend on for their support these days.
I remember Sheik Yer' Mami here. He always came off as a bigot and a nutjob.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:25:42pm |
re: #58 MrPaulRevere
You have an excellent memory.
I do? Actually, was I right? I remember seeing her on TV speaking in congress about apples. That was a long time ago.
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BignJames Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:28:34pm |
re: #60 jorline
Thought I was called to the ministry once....to be a Baptist preacher.....had a powerful craving for fried chicken and ***
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:28:52pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:29:14pm |
re: #60 jorline
I hear ya Dark, but I'm willing to bet the majority partake...closet vaccine libs. Kind of like Baptist don't drink.
Q-How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all of you beer on a fishing trip?
A-Invite two Baptist.
I hope you're right. Epidemic disease scares the hell out of me. With the kind of traffic my store sees from all over the country, I wish I could take some time off till this swine flu thing settles down. Sadly, I've got quotas to meet so I cannot.
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BigFatLion Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:30:18pm |
I don't know, I always though Phil went there because it supported his hatred of anything Republican. His pointless rants about how evil they were for not agreeing with him was why I gave up on his blog.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:31:34pm |
So if I drank 1,825,000 gallons of apple juice with alar in a year I would get cancer.
I don't think my stomach would have the capacity for 5,000 gallons a day but you never know. Good thing Meryl Streep was looking out for me. //
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:31:52pm |
re: #65 Dark_Falcon
I'm not so hopeful. Vaccine coverage for all diseases is dropping. And a lot of these diseases are scarier than Swine Flu. These nutcases prefer the death of children over vaccines.
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MrPaulRevere Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:32:12pm |
re: #62 Gus 802
Yes, it was about the 'Alar' controversy, which turned out to be much ado about nothing: Background on the alar controversy... [Link: www.junkscience.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:34:01pm |
re: #68 FightingBack
I'm not so hopeful. Vaccine coverage for all diseases is dropping. And a lot of these diseases are scarier than Swine Flu. These nutcases prefer the death of children over vaccines.
That is exactly the point to make. The nuts have to be accused of not caring about children. "For The Children" works well promoting bad social programs, it could also work well promoting a good one.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:36:14pm |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
I sometimes wonder if this ant-vaccine gibberish is actually an expressed anti-human life sentiment. They want the "natural" world to triumph over human endeavor.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:36:29pm |
re: #69 MrPaulRevere
Yes, it was about the 'Alar' controversy, which turned out to be much ado about nothing: Background on the alar controversy... [Link: www.junkscience.com...]
Yep, there it is. The key to expanding a cause is to get a celebrity to champion your cause. They even use that a dramatic device on TV dramas. Jim Carrey of course is a true believer.
Now you have to wonder what the repercussions of his acts will be on the American public. Good thing is that Americans are more savvy these days then they were in the 70s and 80s and they've also learned that celebrities opinions aren't worth a cent.
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Pietr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:38:10pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
Yep, there it is. The key to expanding a cause is to get a celebrity to champion your cause. They even use that a dramatic device on TV dramas. Jim Carrey of course is a true believer.
Now you have to wonder what the repercussions of his acts will be on the American public. Good thing is that Americans are more savvy these days then they were in the 70s and 80s and they've also learned that celebrities opinions aren't worth a cent.
I think Hanoi Jane "The Traitor" Fonda proved this point well, during Vietnam era.....
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Throbert McGee Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:39:24pm |
re: #13 Kulhwch
*I keep wondering how you get a doctorate in homeopathy. Maybe the less you study the more powerful your learning is.
LOL! Thanks for quoting that, Kulhwch!
Homeopathy Trivia (Just so I can add a little content to the LOL post): In the "Freedom Isn't Free" montage from Team America, the very last D.C. memorial that Gary visits is a privately-funded monument to Samuel Hahnemann, the founder/inventor of "homeopathic theory." It's near 15th & N Streets NW in Washington, D.C. (McPherson Square Metro).
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:39:54pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
I get patients in the office every single day who refuse all vaccines because of these celebrity opinions. For a while, it was just the MMR vaccine. Now it's all vaccines. They aren't getting this misinformation from prominent pediatricians.
It's Stripper Jenny and her ilk.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:08pm |
Here's that comment from 'sheik yer'mami' in case he tries to deny it:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:11pm |
re: #71 FightingBack
I sometimes wonder if this ant-vaccine gibberish is actually an expressed anti-human life sentiment. They want the "natural" world to triumph over human endeavor.
No, that's global warming. The anti-vax stuff is just fear and grief promoted as science.
Programs! Git yer programs!
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:15pm |
re: #73 Pietr
I think Hanoi Jane "The Traitor" Fonda proved this point well, during Vietnam era.....
That would be the case.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:33pm |
re: #71 FightingBack
I sometimes wonder if this ant-vaccine gibberish is actually an expressed anti-human life sentiment. They want the "natural" world to triumph over human endeavor.
For a few of them, yes, but not for most. For most anti-vaccine people, its one of their conspriracy theories. They have a distrust of "Big" something (Pharma, government, etc.) and they spin tales of flawed drugs forced on the people to prop up their craziness. They don't actually hate people in general.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:38pm |
evening,
i can not believe that the anti-vaccination cabal is getting this much traction.
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researchok Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:50pm |
re: #17 Charles
Tell me about it. You wouldn't believe the emails I got.
Actually, I suppose you would.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:41:12pm |
re: #76 Charles
Here's that comment from 'sheik yer'mami' in case he tries to deny it:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I'll just go post it now before he can deny it.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:41:52pm |
re: #75 FightingBack
I get patients in the office every single day who refuse all vaccines because of these celebrity opinions. For a while, it was just the MMR vaccine. Now it's all vaccines. They aren't getting this misinformation from prominent pediatricians.
It's Stripper Jenny and her ilk.
That's terrible. See, that's why I almost see what Carry and Jenny are doing is practicing medicine without a license. It's hard to call what they do malpractice but it approaches malpractice. The media outlets that give them a voice are aiding and abating in that "malpractice."
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:42:29pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
Meryl Streep
Ban Alar, et al.
It probably scares the homeopaths, who seem to believe in that water memory thing. Which brings a question to mind. If super dilute medicine is efficacious, is super dilute cyanide poisonous?
/ File that under "how to scare a homeopath."
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jorline Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:42:30pm |
re: #65 Dark_Falcon
I hope you're right. Epidemic disease scares the hell out of me. With the kind of traffic my store sees from all over the country, I wish I could take some time off till this swine flu thing settles down. Sadly, I've got quotas to meet so I cannot.
I wish the best for you Dark.
I have an autoimmune disease and my meds lower my immune system making me highly susceptible to upper respiratory infections...swine flu (H1N1) attacks the upper respiratory system...nightmares for me.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:06pm |
re: #76 Charles
Here's that comment from 'sheik yer'mami' in case he tries to deny it:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And he's a conspiracy kook too. Thank you again for keeping this place a nice site to spend our time.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:14pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
hahaha.
here is a good link about risk and safety. i picked it up from an ECON class I am in.
Risk and Safety
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:22pm |
re: #80 mrshankly01
evening,
i can not believe that the anti-vaccination cabal is getting this much traction.
I can. There's a lot of crazy going around these days. I blame Obama.
/sarc on that last bit.
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Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:41pm |
re: #38 funky chicken
Some of them are just deeply stupid. I keep reading comments from anti-vaxxers at other sites all over the web, and one common accusation is that the thimerosal preservative was used as an agent of genocide.
Um, genocide against whom? Homo sapiens?
Maybe somebody saw the term "germicide", and misread it as "genocide"? I remember having to discontinue use of one brand of contact lens disinfectant because it contained thimerosal, and was causing me eye irritation.
But I sure wouldn't let a sensitivity to the stuff stop me from accepting a needed vaccination, even if it were preserved with thimerosal.
There's this thing called "cost-benefit" analysis, you know.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:44:16pm |
re: #89 Dark_Falcon
hahaha. Well, I am taking door #1 and going with Bush. Anybody taking Clinton?
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:01pm |
re: #84 Gus 802
I tell my patients that I will read anything that they bring me, visit any website, consider anything has has a credible argument. None of them have found anything worth showing to me yet. But they still refuse, or delay, vaccines.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:10pm |
re: #86 jorline
I wish the best for you Dark.
I have an autoimmune disease and my meds lower my immune system making me highly susceptible to upper respiratory infections...swine flu (H1N1) attacks the upper respiratory system...nightmares for me.
I'll leave my luck to you, jorline. I've always gotten over the flu fairly quickly so me odds are good even if I get it. I will pray you avoid it.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:24pm |
re: #88 mrshankly01
Make sure yre: #88 mrshankly01
hahaha.
here is a good link about risk and safety. i picked it up from an ECON class I am in.
Risk and Safety
Make sure to check out Table 2. Breaks down various risks of death.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:26pm |
re: #88 mrshankly01
hahaha.
here is a good link about risk and safety. i picked it up from an ECON class I am in.
Risk and Safety
Thanks. And the leading cause of death is major cardiovascular disease. At the same time life expectancy continues to rise.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:46:27pm |
re: #91 mrshankly01
Well, I am in the Army and I was an Army brat, and I got stuck and am still getting stuck and I am fine. Heck, I am less sick than most people I know.
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:23pm |
re: #80 mrshankly01
evening,
i can not believe that the anti-vaccination cabal is getting this much traction.
Yeah. That is interesting. The anti vaccination crowd throws every possible claim against the wall hoping something will stick. I do not understand why this is being done. If any of the claims were valid, the line of lawyers trying to cash in on this would stretch from Maine to Baja California.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:26pm |
re: #95 Gus 802
Of course it does. We talked about this in class. The longer you live, the more Cancer you CAN get.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:49pm |
re: #86 jorline
Do what you can not to catch the virus. Try not to touch your face, ever. And, wash your hands with running water to disperse the viruses, every time that you touch someone's hand.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:54pm |
re: #98 mrshankly01
Of course it does. We talked about this in class. The longer you live, the more Cancer you CAN get.
and long term organ use diseases.
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BignJames Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:48:38pm |
re: #96 mrshankly01
Well, I am in the Army and I was an Army brat, and I got stuck and am still getting stuck and I am fine. Heck, I am less sick than most people I know.
Yeah....I'm a brat too...got a long immunization record
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Cato the Elder Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:49:24pm |
Homeopathy, acupuncture (except for a few well-defined and limited uses), anti-vaccinationarianism, holistic anything, crystals, aromatherapy, basket-weaving, feng shui, Tarot, pyramids, cupping, bleeding, ear candling, colon cleansing, hamsas, shamans, faith healers, Christian Science, e-meters, Goddess cults, Theosophy, Τὸ Μεγα Θηρίον and Ordo Templi Orientalis, insert your favorite nonsense here...
They're all a testament to one thing only: The remarkable capacity humans have for imagining benefit from things they pay cash for. I can't be a dupe because I paid good money for that crystal!
The placebo effect: A very valuable thing in many, many instances. Just ask any old country doctor (if you can find one anymore) about his sugar pills and the real relief they bring.
Only trouble is, real, virulent, epidemic bugs, germs, viruses, bacilli and spores don't understand placebos and couldn't care less if the gypsy sold you a foolproof amulet against the Evil Eye.
Enter science, stage right.
I once went to an AA meeting with a friend. One guy there, recently sober, was all agonized about being diagnosed with clinical depression on top of his alcoholism. The doctor had prescribed Prozac. Some bozo at the meeting told him not to take it, because "all you need is this program". I almost tore him a new one. Depression is a deadly illness, often found with alcoholism but not coterminous with it, and this self-appointed arbiter of when not to take drugs was giving this poor fellow advice that could have killed him.
But try vitamins for your broken leg, if you like, HuffPo and Co. Just keep it to your stupid selves and don't ask me to pay for the new hip when your hyperloading B-complex regimen leaves your ass limping around town.
Rant off.
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researchok Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:50:39pm |
Funny thing- some leftists rant and rail about religion as 'irrational' and backwards. Then they go out and throw science and scientists to the winds and claim that a Hollywood two bit hack is better qualified than researchers who have spent decades in their fields.
Talk about irrational and backwards.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:51:20pm |
re: #97 swamprat
True.
What we should do is get a "consensus" of scientists to publicly declare in a UN conference that vaccinations do not make you sick. Then everyone will be OK with it. Like the consensus that backed the sun going around the earth, man being only 6000 years old, that man sees by shooting rays out of his eyes, etc.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:51:37pm |
re: #101 BignJames
Yeah....I'm a brat too...got a long immunization record
I got a lot of the vaccines as a kid in Brooklyn and later in other parts of New York. We never gave it a second thought. I don't have any records at this point.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:51:45pm |
re: #101 BignJames
a lot of little yellow booklets than?
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SummerSong Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:53:50pm |
As I have said before, my mother is a polio survivor. Struck in her late teens, she recovered to live a full, wonderful, healthy life.
Immunizations were a matter of course at my home. We are grateful for them.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:53:53pm |
re: #75 FightingBack
I get patients in the office every single day who refuse all vaccines because of these celebrity opinions. For a while, it was just the MMR vaccine. Now it's all vaccines. They aren't getting this misinformation from prominent pediatricians.
It's Stripper Jenny and her ilk.
Can you convince any of them that vaccines are safe and necessary?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:56:14pm |
re: #105 mrshankly01
True.
What we should do is get a "consensus" of scientists to publicly declare in a UN conference that vaccinations do not make you sick. Then everyone will be OK with it. Like the consensus that backed the sun going around the earth, man being only 6000 years old, that man sees by shooting rays out of his eyes, etc.
Remember, lots of people still be lieve that second one. And declaration at a UN Event would just make the Alex Jones crowd all the more certain that a conspiracy was afoot.
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jorline Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:56:34pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
I'll leave my luck to you, jorline. I've always gotten over the flu fairly quickly so me odds are good even if I get it. I will pray you avoid it.
Thank you Dark. I never use to get sick...never. My meds have lowered my immune system and I caught a cold last week...within 48 hours it was reeking havoc in my chest, just finished a five day z-pack. I pray this flu strain doesn't spread.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:59:02pm |
re: #109 meeshlr
As I've posted before here, I first use gentle persuasion. (They trust me for the other things, don't they?) But if they refuse, I give them a release to sign. The release incriminates them on any charges of child neglect. Of course, they are free to leave my practice if they don't want to sign the release. It's a discouraging process.
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jorline Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:00:21pm |
re: #99 FightingBack
Do what you can not to catch the virus. Try not to touch your face, ever. And, wash your hands with running water to disperse the viruses, every time that you touch someone's hand.
Thanks...I own a restaurant and practice that hygiene daily.
Maybe Micheal Jackson was one step ahead of us all with his mask...lol
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:00:28pm |
Big box and Maru
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funky chicken Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:00:31pm |
re: #99 FightingBack
Do what you can not to catch the virus. Try not to touch your face, ever. And, wash your hands with running water to disperse the viruses, every time that you touch someone's hand.
My kids drive me nuts, as they are both nail chewers. Argh.
My son is always touching his face, his nose, picking at pimples, chewing his nails.
I start to feel like a nag constantly criticizing them for it, but ...
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:01:02pm |
re: #112 FightingBack
Sounds very discouraging.
My first reaction when someone says that they aren't having their children immunized is a "you've got to be kidding" snort. It's a good thing that I'm not a physician!
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:01:49pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
but one is afoot, haven't you heard, it is a conspiracy of conspiracies. it makes us not sure that anything is real. didn't you know, the world trade center was brought down by a vaccination. there is a picture of President Bush holding a needle and President Obama's birth certificate leaving WTC #11 on SEP 11th. I could show it to you but the state of Hawaii's massive storage protection system won't let me steal it. I guess I have to call Sandy Berger.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:01:52pm |
One of my favorite shirts says:
Death, our nation's number one killer.
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BignJames Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:02:03pm |
re: #107 mrshankly01
a lot of little yellow booklets than?
Yeah....can't remember many of 'em....Yellow fever...Typhoid...Typhus...Cholera....run of the mill stuff
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:02:49pm |
re: #112 FightingBack
As I've posted before here, I first use gentle persuasion. (They trust me for the other things, don't they?) But if they refuse, I give them a release to sign. The release incriminates them on any charges of child neglect. Of course, they are free to leave my practice if they don't want to sign the release. It's a discouraging process.
The release, (from the American Academy of Pediatrics) states:
I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger h health or life of my child and others with which my child might come into contact.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:14pm |
re: #115 funky chicken
hand sanitizer. worked for me when I was deployed. carry it in your pocket. helps you remember. same for floss. of course i might be a freak.
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BaseballMom57 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:24pm |
re: #107 mrshankly01
a lot of little yellow booklets than?
Oh my GOSH...I had totally forgotten about those! I remember looking at mine as a little kid, thinking it was pretty cool.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:43pm |
re: #116 meeshlr
Sounds very discouraging.
My first reaction when someone says that they aren't having their children immunized is a "you've got to be kidding" snort. It's a good thing that I'm not a physician!
I have a lot of trouble keeping the contempt out of my voice.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:04:04pm |
re: #97 swamprat
Yeah. That is interesting. The anti vaccination crowd throws every possible claim against the wall hoping something will stick. I do not understand why this is being done. If any of the claims were valid, the line of lawyers trying to cash in on this would stretch from Maine to Baja California.
No kiddin'. John Edwards would be at the head of the line. Apparently, even that charlatan doesn't think this dog will hunt.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:04:24pm |
re: #119 BignJames
yea, i didn't even know I had the smallpox vaccine before until the Army gave it to me and I didn't get much of a reaction.
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yochanan Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:04:24pm |
as a kid i remember IRON LONG MACHINES these people are totally nuts.
all medications have some side effects that effect a very small number of people but not using them causes DEATH
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:05:01pm |
re: #120 FightingBack
The release, (from the American Academy of Pediatrics) states:
I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger h health or life of my child and others with which my child might come into contact.
That's brilliant! How many sign it?
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:05:46pm |
re: #122 BaseballMom57
baseball, with the Army's awesome records system, I still keep mine. who wants to keep getting the anthrax vaccine.
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yochanan Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:06:14pm |
lung oops
note to self check spelling when using bold upper case
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:06:18pm |
re: #123 swamprat
off the top of the head. a head full of malbec.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:14pm |
re: #130 yochanan
lung oops
note to self check spelling when using bold upper case
Heh. I didn't even notice till you pointed it out.
:)
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:38pm |
re: #127 yochanan
as a kid i remember IRON LONG MACHINES these people are totally nuts.
all medications have some side effects that effect a very small number of people but not using them causes DEATH
What was the movie with someone in an iron lung? I remember seeing those on TV in the late 60s. Used to scare me witless.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:47pm |
re: #128 meeshlr
The occasional nut. Most usually find an alternative practitioner, and leave me after that. They want support for their stupidity, not the sneer that they know they are getting from me.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:08:21pm |
re: #126 mrshankly01
yea, i didn't even know I had the smallpox vaccine before until the Army gave it to me and I didn't get much of a reaction.
I'm still surprised when someone doesn't recognize my smallpox vaccination scar. I was in one of the last few years they were administering it.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:08:57pm |
re: #134 FightingBack
who are the practitioners going along with it?
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:10:44pm |
re: #136 meeshlr
some people got really bad infections.
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:11:31pm |
re: #137 mrshankly01
There are non-board certified practitioners in my community who like to show that they are "concerned." This puts them above me, as I am "unconcerned" about the risks of the vaccines.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:11:58pm |
re: #139 FightingBack
well, i appreciate your lack of concern :)
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FightingBack Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:12:53pm |
Good night, Lizardia.
Stay well.
I'm sure to get calls about the Swine Flu tomorrow...
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Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:13:57pm |
re: #141 FightingBack
Good night, Lizardia.
Stay well.
I'm sure to get calls about the Swine Flu tomorrow...
Can you refuse to give flu shots to children that are not current on their regular vaxes?
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:14:20pm |
Iron Lung ward at Rancho Los Amigos Hospital,
Downey, California, ca. 1953
CBER Centennial - Slide Presentation
Jim Carrey is a criminal.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:14pm |
re: #139 FightingBack
There are non-board certified practitioners in my community who like to show that they are "concerned." This puts them above me, as I am "unconcerned" about the risks of the vaccines.
"Concerned" with having an income? I'll bet they're more than happy to humor any and all patients regardless.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:22pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
Remember, lots of people still be lieve that second one. And declaration at a UN Event would just make the Alex Jones crowd all the more certain that a conspiracy was afoot.
It doesn't matter what facts you have behind you. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to the Alex Jones crowd. I used to listen to conspiracy radio late at night for grins and giggles. Only good thing that came out of it was that I found this site of sanity.
/by way of JW unfortunately but what can you say?
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swamprat Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:26pm |
re: #117 mrshankly01
but one is afoot, haven't you heard, it is a conspiracy of conspiracies. it makes us not sure that anything is real. didn't you know, the world trade center was brought down by a vaccination. there is a picture of President Bush holding a needle and President Obama's birth certificate leaving WTC #11 on SEP 11th. I could show it to you but the state of Hawaii's massive storage protection system won't let me steal it. I guess I have to call Sandy Berger.
Like this;
(911-was caused by vaccinated terrorists to deliberately bring 19 different diseases to the U.S. which would then be efficiently spread by the first responders. Obama has a very rare Kenyan virus which causes health and longevity. The parade of American vaccines will keep the average joe from acquiring this much desired virus. But we would not be allowed to get it anyway, because only the bankers, Illuminati, builderbergers, trilateral commission and......
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:50pm |
To my simple pea brain, life is a crap shoot. One of the ways of improving the odds is using the tools that hard fought science has developed for us. Are those tools foolproof? Nothing in life is foolproof. But if you ignore those tools you are a fool.
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funky chicken Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:16:01pm |
[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...]
too harsh?
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shiplord kirel Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:16:02pm |
It's a good thing these anti-vax nuts didn't have a large audience 40 or 50 years ago.
The eradication of smallpox was a monumental triumph of science and public service. Today's brand of celebrity-driven anti-vaccination propaganda could very well have caused this effort to fail and the age-old curse could still be with us.
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shiplord kirel Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:03pm |
re: #148 funky chicken
[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...]
too harsh?
Nope, the literal truth. Sincerity is not a defense for criminally reckless homicide.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:12pm |
OT: I don't have cable, so I haven't watched their TV show- I only know who these people are because they're constantly on stupid reali-brity photo shoots. I can't wait until these people's 15 minutes is up. I say- go away, and never come back.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:33pm |
re: #146 swamprat
much better, thanks...the life sustaining illness reminds me of the one that Mister Burns had in the Simpsons that made him "invincible".....
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:38pm |
re: #148 funky chicken
[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...]
too harsh?
Negative. Not harsh enough.
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funky chicken Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:19:29pm |
re: #136 meeshlr
I'm still surprised when someone doesn't recognize my smallpox vaccination scar. I was in one of the last few years they were administering it.
I never had it, which is odd because my mom's a nurse. I remember that she brought home a "sugar cube" polio vaccine when they came out with a new kind once.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:20:02pm |
re: #149 shiplord kirel
It's a good thing these anti-vax nuts didn't have a large audience 40 or 50 years ago.
The eradication of smallpox was a monumental triumph of science and public service. Today's brand of celebrity-driven anti-vaccination propaganda could very well have caused this effort to fail and the age-old curse could still be with us.
Celebrities have a special responsibility. Because of our media saturated culture they have an inordinate and mostly unearned influence. All the more reason to speak judiciously and circumspectly when you have that influence. Unfortunately that takes wisdom and many lack it.
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SummerSong Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:21:13pm |
re: #152 Sharmuta
OT: I don't have cable, so I haven't watched their TV show- I only know who these people are because they're constantly on stupid reali-brity photo shoots. I can't wait until these people's 15 minutes is up. I say- go away, and never come back.
LOL I couldn't agree with you more and I know exactly who they are.
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yochanan Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:21:28pm |
re: #148 funky chicken
anyone who listens to a hollywird celeb. on anything other than acting is a fool.
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:22:31pm |
re: #159 yochanan
its like voting for a president based on his ability to play a saxophone...
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:03pm |
re: #158 SummerSong
LOL I couldn't agree with you more and I know exactly who they are.
I'm just a little pissed because I spent some time looking up just who the hell they were and why I should care. I figured out who they were- I still don't care, however.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:12pm |
re: #145 BlueCanuck
It doesn't matter what facts you have behind you. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to the Alex Jones crowd. I used to listen to conspiracy radio late at night for grins and giggles. Only good thing that came out of it was that I found this site of sanity.
/by way of JW unfortunately but what can you say?
I'm just saying that big declaration won't help in this case. Pushback in favor of science and truth needs to be grassroots, not from the top. Only then does it have a chance of acceptance.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:28pm |
re: #155 funky chicken
I think that they stopped giving the smallpox vaccination in the early '70s.
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Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:34pm |
re: #160 mrshankly01
its like voting for a president based on his ability to play a saxophone...
I can think of a couple of of sax players who would likely be better in the job than the incumbent.
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Erik The Red Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:56pm |
re: #160 mrshankly01
its like voting for a president based on his ability to play a saxophone...
Or like electing a President based on his ability to read a teleprompter.
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Erik The Red Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:24:46pm |
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mrshankly01 Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:25:32pm |
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Erik The Red Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:25:51pm |
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:26:14pm |
re: #159 yochanan
anyone who listens to a hollywird celeb. on anything other than acting is a fool.
If even that. Actors used to get the training and go through the school of hard knocks in the theater. Many would earn degrees in drama as well as being involved in summer stock programs. Today many actors get to were they are because of their facial features for the most part. Many are undereducated compared to the actors of yesterday.
Jim Carrey is a perfect example of the undereducated crop of todays actors.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:26:21pm |
re: #152 Sharmuta
OT: I don't have cable, so I haven't watched their TV show- I only know who these people are because they're constantly on stupid reali-brity photo shoots. I can't wait until these people's 15 minutes is up. I say- go away, and never come back.
Agreed. Those two are the Most. Fake. People. Ever.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:26:46pm |
Not fer nothin' but...
Spencer sez...
Just one problem: Johnson's "neo-Nazi bookstore" sells Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore, as well as Samuel Huntington and Norman Finkelstein. Imagine how surprised Chomsky and Moore will be when they find out they are neo-Nazis!
These authors are touted by neo-Nazis because of the antisemitism and conspiracy theories.
If Charles Johnson really thinks I am a neo-Nazi sympathizer or a racist, let him produce even one line that I have written to support such a view.
I don't think anyone is accusing him of being a neo-Nazi but he is an apologist for them. He's doing it now. I do suspect that he does have ethnic nationalist tendencies from his support of genocidal Serbians and the Christian reconquest of Turkey.
Just sayin'
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:27:56pm |
re: #172 Gus 802
If even that. Actors used to get the training and go through the school of hard knocks in the theater. Many would earn degrees in drama as well as being involved in summer stock programs. Today many actors get to were they are because of their facial features for the most part. Many are undereducated compared to the actors of yesterday.
Jim Carrey is a perfect example of the undereducated crop of todays actors.
True, but he does have talent. The man has a gift for comedy, but his talents have turned to evil now.
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Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:28:37pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Those two are the Most. Fake. People. Ever.
They are so fake, I've never even heard of them. Not being a TV watcher, there's huge swath of pop culture of which I'm blissfully unaware.
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SummerSong Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:28:38pm |
I have never heard, nor met anyone who cares about these two...yet they are constantly in the news. Perhaps 13 year olds decide everything in Hollywood these days?
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:29:21pm |
re: #176 Dark_Falcon
True, but he does have talent. The man has a gift for comedy, but his talents have turned to evil now.
Yeah, I was going to bring up "stand up" as a method of getting into acting. I have to admit I used to get a kick out him on MadTV back in the day. This however is inexcusable.
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Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:29:29pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:30:18pm |
re: #181 Alberta Oil Peon
Good night, yochanan.
I'm going to knock off too. I'll talk to you all tomorrow.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:31:04pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
Not fer nothin' but...
Spencer sez...I don't think anyone is accusing him of being a neo-Nazi but he is an apologist for them. He's doing it now. I do suspect that he does have ethnic nationalist tendencies from his support of genocidal Serbians and the Christian reconquest of Turkey.
Just sayin'
NPD anyone?
What about the skinhead connections?
What about the hardcore Nazi rock in his CD collection I linked this afternoon?
What about the other being an attorney for Axel Reitz?
What about the admiration of the 3rd Reich. The Holocaust denial? The racist music Manfred like?
//Anything Robert? Hmmm?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:31:12pm |
I think Spencer's trouble is that he's not comfortable with who he is. Buchanan has a nice career and is up front with who he is and what he stands for. Spencer could easily do the same thing but he's still uncomfortable with who he is. This wouldn't really be an issue if Spencer just did his thing and didn't obfuscate or try to refute it. Especially in today's political climate or Ron Paul and Glenn beck I really don't think it would be an issue.
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:31:24pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
I like how he tries to set the terms by demanding proof of his written word.
This isn't about your writing, mr spencer. This is about your associates and the amount of time you spend denouncing your critics instead of denouncing your racist friends.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:32:28pm |
re: #182 mrshankly01
darth carrey
That was my thought, too. His leading lady fell prey to fear, anger, and hatred and he followed her to the Dark Side.
Jenny McCarthy: Chicago's second worst export (the worst being CBBHO).
And on that note, I really must get to bed.
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Gus Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:33:31pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
That was my thought, too. His leading lady fell prey to fear, anger, and hatred and he followed her to the Dark Side.
Jenny McCarthy: Chicago's second worst export (the worst being CBBHO).
And on that note, I really must get to bed.
Have a good one.
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funky chicken Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:35:38pm |
[Link: www.cdc.gov...]
The number of measles cases reported during January 1--July 31, 2008, is the highest year-to-date since 1996. This increase was not the result of a greater number of imported cases, but was the result of greater viral transmission after importation into the United States, leading to a greater number of importation-associated cases. These importation-associated cases have occurred largely among school-aged children who were eligible for vaccination but whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated. One study has suggested an increasing number of vaccine exemptions among children who attend school in states that allow philosophical exemptions (6). In addition, home-schooled children are not covered by school-entry vaccination requirements in many states. The increase in importation-associated cases this year is a concern and might herald a larger increase in measles morbidity, especially in communities with many unvaccinated residents.
In the United States, measles caused 450 reported deaths and 4,000 cases of encephalitis annually before measles vaccine became available in the mid-1960s (1). Through a successful measles vaccination program, the United States eliminated endemic measles transmission (1). Sustaining elimination requires maintaining high MMR vaccine coverage rates, particularly among preschool (>90% 1-dose coverage) and school-aged children (>95% 2-dose coverage) (7). High coverage levels provide herd immunity, decreasing everyone's risk for measles exposure and affording protection to persons who cannot be vaccinated. However, herd immunity does not provide 100% protection, especially in communities with large numbers of unvaccinated persons. For the foreseeable future, measles importations into the United States will continue to occur because measles is still common in Europe and other regions of the world. Within the United States, the current national MMR vaccine coverage rate is adequate to prevent the sustained spread of measles. However, importations of measles likely will continue to cause outbreaks in communities that have sizeable clusters of unvaccinated persons.
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Cheechako Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:50:26pm |
I grew up in a small town south of Boston. My town had hundreds of acres of swamps. In the mid 1950's on outbreak of encepilitis broke out and infected several hundred people. The town hired a spraying company to attack the mosquitoes breeding in the swamps. I can remember standing outside watching several surplus WW2 bombers, flying wingtip to wingtip, spraying thousands of gallons of DDT to kill the mosquitoes. It worked. Had a nice mosquito free summer from then on.
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markx Sun, Apr 26, 2009 5:37:05am |
Doctorate in Homeopathic Medicine
Bwahahahahaha... roflmao...
That explains it all.
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DistantThunder Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:43:56am |
I don't think it matters to SOME leftist how many people died in Saddam's gas attacks, and other genocidal purges, in the gulags of the Soviet Union, in third world malarial swamps, or from the ravages of other infectious diseases like flu and STD's. Because to them, individuals are less important than dogma or policy.
I can understand the anxiety of parents who have been indoctrinated with this vaccination craziness to recoil from the procedure. It is invasive, and the child cries. The parents' imagination goes wild.
Some type of deprogramming or "exit-counseling" may be necessary to overcome this new propaganda - maybe youtube videos of children dying miserable deaths from these preventable causes. Many modern parents have difficulty conceptualizing the reality of "child death."
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horse Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:58:15am |
re: #11 Gus 802
That section is a great display of simple factual application exposing an obviously untenable position. With one hand he easily and quickly pulls back the thin sheet covering their "argument" and shows the naked simpleton beneath it. And they will be furious with him about their nakedness, even as they refuse to change their naked position with the readily available protection vaccination can provide them.
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