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1 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:27pm

Good thing I've had my "anti-crazy" shots.

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:36pm
I am embarrassed I ever wrote anything for HuffPo, which is now a cesspool of misleading misinformation.

I would have called it a cesspool of left-wing bigotry, but "misleading information" works too.

3 rain of lead  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:41pm

toto, I don't think we're in kansas anymore

4 Kulhwch  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:48:45pm

We're all allowed one mistake, I guess.

}:)     [Except Jim Carey.  He's a tard.]

5 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:50:01pm

Craziness at the Huffington Post? knock me over with a feather.

6 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:50:24pm

One step away from you...

7 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:53:33pm

OMG! I just found out there was antiSemitism at Stormfront!

8 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:53:55pm

Drat. I wanted to post an OT, and it's too soon.

9 jaunte  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:54:27pm

re: #7 Zimriel

Tell Phil.

10 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:55:27pm

re: #8 Catttt

Drat. I wanted to post an OT, and it's too soon.


Pretty late. Goferit.

11 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:56:58pm

More heads exploding!

kaBLAM!
Yup. When I read that my brain asploded*.
I am embarrassed I ever wrote anything for HuffPo, which is now a cesspool of misleading misinformation. Funny though; I still get people asking me "What’s the harm in believing in things that aren’t real?"
What’s the harm?
Polio.
Smallpox.
Pertussis.
Mumps.
Measles (with possibility of encephalitis and permanent brain damage).
Hib.
Death.

12 Lincolntf  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:58:07pm

Haven't read the whole article yet, but I find that people who oppose vaccination generally oppose people as a whole.
As for HuffPo, one of the most embarassing episodes in Obama's fledging period has been his calling on their rep. at a press conference.
How we've gotten to the point where all serious people have to ignore the news in order to be informed is beyond me, but here we are.

13 Kulhwch  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:59:21pm
Why, click her bio! It says she’s "a licensed acupuncturist, certified clinical nutritionist, and a homeopath. She has a Master’s Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine and a Doctorate in Homeopathic Medicine."

kaBLAM!

Yup. When I read that my brain asploded*.

...

*I keep wondering how you get a doctorate in homeopathy. Maybe the less you study the more powerful your learning is. Or you could grind up the people who passed the exams the year before, mix one molecule of them with water, and drink up!

}:)     ['Spodey heads!  It must be Saturday night!]

14 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:59:29pm

Excellent piece, but unfortunately some folks don't like reality. I'm just glad my kids are grown, otherwise I'd be a little nervous to send them to school nowadays since vaccines aren't a requirement for enrollment.

15 formercorpsman  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:59:38pm

One post, and then bed.

Just Friday, I was speaking with a school teacher & we stumbled on to this subject.

If you don't think this craziness is spreading, you are fooling yourself.

With some people it is case closed. Even teachers.

It was fact with her. Mercury=Autism.

16 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:00:11pm

Currently posting LGF-hating comments at Harry's Place: "sheik yer'mami" who was banned from LGF after several disgusting racist remarks, including calling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "pickaninny," and after comments calling for the mass internment and deportation of Muslims from Western countries.

This guy is one of the most vile bigoted haters in the blogosphere.

17 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:01:33pm

Here's the link:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

This happens whenever any blogger posts something positive about LGF. People like this hate-spewing moron come out of the woodwork.

18 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:01:50pm

5 cases of Hib, a totally preventable disease, occurred in Minnesota in 2008.
One of the unimmunized patients, a 7 month old infant, died of Hib meningitis.

That's enough right there. This nonsensical movement is responsible for the death of this infant. Hib vaccine has never been associated with any sequelae.

19 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:03:13pm

The reason they give Jim Carrey carte blanche is because he's a celebrity. And it's not just on the Huffington Post but all over the MSM. Had this been promoted by an ordinary citizen they would probably ignore it. Regardless of that it's pretty outrageous that they're giving these ignorant louts a podium to spread their stupidity which many people will buy because of their celebrity status.

20 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:03:19pm

One of the commenters mentioned HPV. That was something our governor, Rick Perry, got right. He was the first governor to mandate that girls take this vaccination.

He took a lot of flack from anti-vaxxers, and the social Right, and the kind of "moderate" who likes to tee off on "Big Pharma".

So, although he's an anti-science blowhard who deserves to lose, at least when it comes down to it he is not pro-disease.

21 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:04:09pm

Fishporn

NSFF

(Not Safe For Fish)

22 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:05:21pm
But sincerity doesn’t make you right.

They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I think it's sincerity. Those who subscribe to the notion that sincerity is a trump card in politics, sociology, life- they fail to ever look at the results of their sincerity because it doesn't matter- they were sincere, and that's what matters to them. And when their sincerity fails, it's a sign they need to be more sincere. It's a terrible, vicious cycle. It's good to see someone breakout from that trap.

23 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:05:52pm

re: #16 Charles

"This guy is one of the most vile bigoted haters in the blogosphere."...And that's saying something. That bar is pretty low now. I am stunned by the vitriol floating around and I'm no schoolboy.

24 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:06:08pm

re: #17 Charles

Here's the link:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

This happens whenever any blogger posts something positive about LGF. People like this hate-spewing moron come out of the woodwork.

They keep repeating the same themes over and over again. Most of their rage is based on being booted off of LGF. The rest is them spewing their bigotry which got them booted from LGF to begin with.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:06:37pm

re: #20 Zimriel

One of the commenters mentioned HPV. That was something our governor, Rick Perry, got right. He was the first governor to mandate that girls take this vaccination.

He took a lot of flack from anti-vaxxers, and the social Right, and the kind of "moderate" who likes to tee off on "Big Pharma".

So, although he's an anti-science blowhard who deserves to lose, at least when it comes down to it he is not pro-disease.

Indeed. Now, if only he's kick his creationist habit.

26 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:06:37pm

re: #18 FightingBack

Three patients had meningitis, one had pneumonia, and one had epiglottis, a throat infection that requires an emergency tracheostomy (hole punched in the neck for air to rush into.) Most surgeons don't have any experience treating this disease, since the vaccine has eradicated it.
Lotsa Luck.

27 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:07:25pm

Pretty soon, someone will come out with a book explaining that electricity doesn't work. This whole anti-vax thing is pretty interesting. It is as if they didn't want vacinations to work. Making anything safer is always a good idea, but I have noticed that when "concern" is used, "con" is often the real objective.

28 wiffersnapper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:07:32pm

Better way late than never

29 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:08:57pm

re: #27 swamprat

Pretty soon, someone will come out with a book explaining that electricity doesn't work. This whole anti-vax thing is pretty interesting. It is as if they didn't want vacinations to work. Making anything safer is always a good idea, but I have noticed that when "concern" is used, "con" is often the real objective.

Yep.

"Shoulder belts can cause broken collar bones."

30 pink freud  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:09:14pm

Slightly OT:

This is a public health discussion blog manned by health care professionals that looks to be quite informative. Member of Scienceblogs.com. Presently there are several real-time threads running on this new swine flu.

Effect Measure Forum

31 solomonpanting  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:09:40pm
These folks may honestly care about others, and may be honestly trying to help. I’m sure that’s the case for Fitzgerald, who seems sincere.
But sincerity doesn’t make you right. And in the case of the antivaxxers it can make you — and everyone else — sick. Very sick indeed.

Sincerity: a deeply-held feeling used to prop up the torso after fact's legs are discarded.

32 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:27pm

re: #17 Charles

Here's the link:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

This happens whenever any blogger posts something positive about LGF. People like this hate-spewing moron come out of the woodwork.

How are they about clicking on ads? I could write something nice about you and open comments, I've got all day tomorrow to moderate.

33 Kulhwch  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:37pm

re: #16 Charles

"sheik yer'mami" who was banned from LGF after several disgusting racist remarks, including calling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "pickaninny,"

I attest to this, as I was one that complained about this particular remark.

}:P     [Sit and spin, sheik!]

34 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:10:44pm

sheik yer'mami probably not going to be happy with me now, but he didn't like me anyways, so it's no loss.

35 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:11:25pm

re: #26 FightingBack

Three of the affected children received no vaccinations due to parental refusal.
A 5 month old had received two Hib vaccinations, but wasn't old enough for a complete series. This was a case of failure of herd immunity to protect him until the series could be completed. The children who were not vaccinated were responsible for his illness, even though his parents were doing the proper thing.
The ignorant harmed him.

36 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:12:00pm

sycophants

The latest anti-lgf buzzword.

You see this word in the comments, your ears should perk right up.

37 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:12:16pm

I wonder if we can get an opinion on this from William Woody?

38 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:13:12pm

re: #12 Lincolntf

Some of them are just deeply stupid. I keep reading comments from anti-vaxxers at other sites all over the web, and one common accusation is that the thimerosal preservative was used as an agent of genocide.

Um, genocide against whom? Homo sapiens?

39 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:13:43pm

Anti-Vaccination HuffPo Humpers shoot blanks as usual.

40 Racer X  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:14:24pm

"I got banned from LGF and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

41 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:15:31pm

If the swine flu hits anyone in the Hollywood crowd, I wonder if Jenny McCarthy is going to refuse a vaccine?

42 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:16:30pm

re: #39 jorline

Anti-Vaccination HuffPo Humpers shoot blanks as usual.

Jorline, the sad part is they are not shooting blanks. People believe this crap. By pushing this anti-vacc horse-crap, Ariana Huffington is getting people killed.

43 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:16:35pm

Of course, what's sad is spencer has to rely on racists like 'sheik yer'mami' to run around the net and defend him. Probably not a good idea to have bigots defending you from "nazi apologist" labels.

44 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:16pm

re: #40 Racer X

"I got banned from LGF and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

Somebody call a whambulance! Yep, then they'll cut and paste comments over at LGF2 and try to bolster each others weeks egos while discussing the virtues of Young Earth Creationism and their Nazi allies across the pond.

45 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:24pm

re: #38 funky chicken

Some of them are just deeply stupid. I keep reading comments from anti-vaxxers at other sites all over the web, and one common accusation is that the thimerosal preservative was used as an agent of genocide.

Um, genocide against whom? Homo sapiens?

No, against germs! That's whole ecosystems of virus and bacteria that Big Pharma is unilaterally wiping out, in league with uncaring Darwinists.

46 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:40pm

re: #44 Gus 802

Somebody call a whambulance! Yep, then they'll cut and paste comments over at LGF2 and try to bolster each others weeks egos while discussing the virtues of Young Earth Creationism and their Nazi allies across the pond.

Weak egos. That is.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:17:58pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

If the swine flu hits anyone in the Hollywood crowd, I wonder if Jenny McCarthy is going to refuse a vaccine?

Won't be long before she's facing that choice:

It's already in California.

48 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:16pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

If the swine flu hits anyone in the Hollywood crowd, I wonder if Jenny McCarthy is going to refuse a vaccine?

She will claim that she got it from a vaccinated person who caught the disease from the vaccine itself.

You aren't thinking "lefty".

49 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:25pm

re: #19 Gus 802

Isn't that just insane?

Since when does making a few movies make one an expert on health or politics or the economy?

I wish celebrities could just be seen and not heard.

50 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:33pm

re: #45 Zimriel

No, against germs! That's whole ecosystems of virus and bacteria that Big Pharma is unilaterally wiping out, in league with uncaring Darwinists.

Big Pharma! Not unlike Wall Street Wars (Manfred Rouhs)! //

51 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:18:36pm

read the top comment for an example of somebody calling thimerisol "genocide"

[Link: www.rangelmd.com...]

it's a good post about the stupidity of Jenny McCarthy, and has a pic of her People magazine cover shot. I don't think she's even very attractive, or it's just a bad picture

love the title of the doctor's post though:
Jenny McCarthy: Autism Expert and Harbinger of Death

52 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:19:45pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

I bet they are all furiously making appointments for the necessary shots. Air headed dilettantes, 80% of them.

53 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:19:53pm

re: #49 meeshlr

Isn't that just insane?

Since when does making a few movies make one an expert on health or politics or the economy?

I wish celebrities could just be seen and not heard.

Probably since Meryl Streep became an "expert witness" for a congressional hearing about apples.

Or something.

54 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:20:15pm

re: #35 FightingBack

Before Hib vaccine, Hib was the most common cause of bacterial meningitis in the USA, with 10,000 cases annually. There were 10,000 additional cases of serious disease, pneumonias, arthritis, skin infections and the fatal throat infection that I mentioned above.
A total of 221 cases were reported in 2007. The vaccine stops colonization of the nose and throat, and therefore decreases the circulation of this organism among children.
The Vaccine has no reported serious side effects. (In my office, I have had no side effects, not even minor ones, since I started to use it, about 1992.)

55 Zimriel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:20:55pm

re: #50 Gus 802

Big Pharma! Not unlike Wall Street Wars (Manfred Rouhs)! //

Uncanny. I was thinking of writing "Big Pharma and Wall Street" but I deleted that last phrase as being too obvious.

56 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:22:17pm

don't guess they got their rabies vaccine

57 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:03pm

re: #55 Zimriel

Uncanny. I was thinking of writing "Big Pharma and Wall Street" but I deleted that last phrase as being too obvious.

Yeah. It's all a part of their repertoire. Think of a populist cause to blame "it" on and then go for the cliche.

58 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:45pm

re: #53 Gus 802

You have an excellent memory.

59 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:48pm

re: #55 Zimriel

Uncanny. I was thinking of writing "Big Pharma and Wall Street" but I deleted that last phrase as being too obvious.

A lot of the leftists behind this anti-vaccination stuff actually believe that it's all a plot to fund "Big Pharma". They're as loony as the creationists on the right.

60 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:23:52pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Jorline, the sad part is they are not shooting blanks. People believe this crap. By pushing this anti-vacc horse-crap, Ariana Huffington is getting people killed.

I hear ya Dark, but I'm willing to bet the majority partake...closet vaccine libs. Kind of like Baptist don't drink.

Q-How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all of you beer on a fishing trip?
A-Invite two Baptist.

61 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:25:38pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

Of course, what's sad is spencer has to rely on racists like 'sheik yer'mami' to run around the net and defend him. Probably not a good idea to have bigots defending you from "nazi apologist" labels.

Yes, it's very sad, but it is what Spencer, Bodissey, and Dymphna seem to have come to depend on for their support these days.

I remember Sheik Yer' Mami here. He always came off as a bigot and a nutjob.

62 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:25:42pm

re: #58 MrPaulRevere

You have an excellent memory.

I do? Actually, was I right? I remember seeing her on TV speaking in congress about apples. That was a long time ago.

63 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:28:34pm

re: #60 jorline


Thought I was called to the ministry once....to be a Baptist preacher.....had a powerful craving for fried chicken and ***

65 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:29:14pm

re: #60 jorline

I hear ya Dark, but I'm willing to bet the majority partake...closet vaccine libs. Kind of like Baptist don't drink.

Q-How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all of you beer on a fishing trip?
A-Invite two Baptist.

I hope you're right. Epidemic disease scares the hell out of me. With the kind of traffic my store sees from all over the country, I wish I could take some time off till this swine flu thing settles down. Sadly, I've got quotas to meet so I cannot.

66 BigFatLion  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:30:18pm

I don't know, I always though Phil went there because it supported his hatred of anything Republican. His pointless rants about how evil they were for not agreeing with him was why I gave up on his blog.

67 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:31:34pm

So if I drank 1,825,000 gallons of apple juice with alar in a year I would get cancer.

I don't think my stomach would have the capacity for 5,000 gallons a day but you never know. Good thing Meryl Streep was looking out for me. //

68 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:31:52pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

I'm not so hopeful. Vaccine coverage for all diseases is dropping. And a lot of these diseases are scarier than Swine Flu. These nutcases prefer the death of children over vaccines.

69 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:32:12pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Yes, it was about the 'Alar' controversy, which turned out to be much ado about nothing: Background on the alar controversy... [Link: www.junkscience.com...]

70 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:34:01pm

re: #68 FightingBack

I'm not so hopeful. Vaccine coverage for all diseases is dropping. And a lot of these diseases are scarier than Swine Flu. These nutcases prefer the death of children over vaccines.

That is exactly the point to make. The nuts have to be accused of not caring about children. "For The Children" works well promoting bad social programs, it could also work well promoting a good one.

71 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:36:14pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

I sometimes wonder if this ant-vaccine gibberish is actually an expressed anti-human life sentiment. They want the "natural" world to triumph over human endeavor.

72 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:36:29pm

re: #69 MrPaulRevere

Yes, it was about the 'Alar' controversy, which turned out to be much ado about nothing: Background on the alar controversy... [Link: www.junkscience.com...]

Yep, there it is. The key to expanding a cause is to get a celebrity to champion your cause. They even use that a dramatic device on TV dramas. Jim Carrey of course is a true believer.

Now you have to wonder what the repercussions of his acts will be on the American public. Good thing is that Americans are more savvy these days then they were in the 70s and 80s and they've also learned that celebrities opinions aren't worth a cent.

73 Pietr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:38:10pm

re: #72 Gus 802

Yep, there it is. The key to expanding a cause is to get a celebrity to champion your cause. They even use that a dramatic device on TV dramas. Jim Carrey of course is a true believer.

Now you have to wonder what the repercussions of his acts will be on the American public. Good thing is that Americans are more savvy these days then they were in the 70s and 80s and they've also learned that celebrities opinions aren't worth a cent.

I think Hanoi Jane "The Traitor" Fonda proved this point well, during Vietnam era.....

74 Throbert McGee  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:39:24pm

re: #13 Kulhwch

*I keep wondering how you get a doctorate in homeopathy. Maybe the less you study the more powerful your learning is.

LOL! Thanks for quoting that, Kulhwch!

Homeopathy Trivia (Just so I can add a little content to the LOL post): In the "Freedom Isn't Free" montage from Team America, the very last D.C. memorial that Gary visits is a privately-funded monument to Samuel Hahnemann, the founder/inventor of "homeopathic theory." It's near 15th & N Streets NW in Washington, D.C. (McPherson Square Metro).

75 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:39:54pm

re: #72 Gus 802

I get patients in the office every single day who refuse all vaccines because of these celebrity opinions. For a while, it was just the MMR vaccine. Now it's all vaccines. They aren't getting this misinformation from prominent pediatricians.
It's Stripper Jenny and her ilk.

76 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:08pm

Here's that comment from 'sheik yer'mami' in case he tries to deny it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

77 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:11pm

re: #71 FightingBack

I sometimes wonder if this ant-vaccine gibberish is actually an expressed anti-human life sentiment. They want the "natural" world to triumph over human endeavor.

No, that's global warming. The anti-vax stuff is just fear and grief promoted as science.

Programs! Git yer programs!

78 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:15pm

re: #73 Pietr

I think Hanoi Jane "The Traitor" Fonda proved this point well, during Vietnam era.....

That would be the case.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:33pm

re: #71 FightingBack

I sometimes wonder if this ant-vaccine gibberish is actually an expressed anti-human life sentiment. They want the "natural" world to triumph over human endeavor.

For a few of them, yes, but not for most. For most anti-vaccine people, its one of their conspriracy theories. They have a distrust of "Big" something (Pharma, government, etc.) and they spin tales of flawed drugs forced on the people to prop up their craziness. They don't actually hate people in general.

80 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:38pm

evening,
i can not believe that the anti-vaccination cabal is getting this much traction.

81 researchok  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:40:50pm

re: #17 Charles


Tell me about it. You wouldn't believe the emails I got.

Actually, I suppose you would.

82 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:41:12pm

re: #76 Charles

Here's that comment from 'sheik yer'mami' in case he tries to deny it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I'll just go post it now before he can deny it.

83 LGoPs  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:41:16pm

Too bad there's no vaccine against stupidity.

84 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:41:52pm

re: #75 FightingBack

I get patients in the office every single day who refuse all vaccines because of these celebrity opinions. For a while, it was just the MMR vaccine. Now it's all vaccines. They aren't getting this misinformation from prominent pediatricians.
It's Stripper Jenny and her ilk.

That's terrible. See, that's why I almost see what Carry and Jenny are doing is practicing medicine without a license. It's hard to call what they do malpractice but it approaches malpractice. The media outlets that give them a voice are aiding and abating in that "malpractice."

85 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:42:29pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Meryl Streep

Ban Alar, et al.

While Alar has been verified as a human carcinogen, the amount necessary for it to be dangerous may well be extremely high. The lab tests that prompted the scare required an amount of Alar equal to over 5,000 gallons (20,000 L) of apple juice per day.

It probably scares the homeopaths, who seem to believe in that water memory thing. Which brings a question to mind. If super dilute medicine is efficacious, is super dilute cyanide poisonous?

/ File that under "how to scare a homeopath."

86 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:42:30pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

I hope you're right. Epidemic disease scares the hell out of me. With the kind of traffic my store sees from all over the country, I wish I could take some time off till this swine flu thing settles down. Sadly, I've got quotas to meet so I cannot.

I wish the best for you Dark.

I have an autoimmune disease and my meds lower my immune system making me highly susceptible to upper respiratory infections...swine flu (H1N1) attacks the upper respiratory system...nightmares for me.

87 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:06pm

re: #76 Charles

Here's that comment from 'sheik yer'mami' in case he tries to deny it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And he's a conspiracy kook too. Thank you again for keeping this place a nice site to spend our time.

88 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:14pm

re: #67 Gus 802

hahaha.
here is a good link about risk and safety. i picked it up from an ECON class I am in.
Risk and Safety

89 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:22pm

re: #80 mrshankly01

evening,
i can not believe that the anti-vaccination cabal is getting this much traction.

I can. There's a lot of crazy going around these days. I blame Obama.

/sarc on that last bit.

90 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:43:41pm

re: #38 funky chicken

Some of them are just deeply stupid. I keep reading comments from anti-vaxxers at other sites all over the web, and one common accusation is that the thimerosal preservative was used as an agent of genocide.

Um, genocide against whom? Homo sapiens?

Maybe somebody saw the term "germicide", and misread it as "genocide"? I remember having to discontinue use of one brand of contact lens disinfectant because it contained thimerosal, and was causing me eye irritation.

But I sure wouldn't let a sensitivity to the stuff stop me from accepting a needed vaccination, even if it were preserved with thimerosal.

There's this thing called "cost-benefit" analysis, you know.

91 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:44:16pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon
hahaha. Well, I am taking door #1 and going with Bush. Anybody taking Clinton?

92 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:01pm

re: #84 Gus 802

I tell my patients that I will read anything that they bring me, visit any website, consider anything has has a credible argument. None of them have found anything worth showing to me yet. But they still refuse, or delay, vaccines.

93 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:10pm

re: #86 jorline

I wish the best for you Dark.

I have an autoimmune disease and my meds lower my immune system making me highly susceptible to upper respiratory infections...swine flu (H1N1) attacks the upper respiratory system...nightmares for me.

I'll leave my luck to you, jorline. I've always gotten over the flu fairly quickly so me odds are good even if I get it. I will pray you avoid it.

94 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:24pm

re: #88 mrshankly01

Make sure yre: #88 mrshankly01

hahaha.
here is a good link about risk and safety. i picked it up from an ECON class I am in.
Risk and Safety

Make sure to check out Table 2. Breaks down various risks of death.

95 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:45:26pm

re: #88 mrshankly01

hahaha.
here is a good link about risk and safety. i picked it up from an ECON class I am in.
Risk and Safety

Thanks. And the leading cause of death is major cardiovascular disease. At the same time life expectancy continues to rise.

96 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:46:27pm

re: #91 mrshankly01

Well, I am in the Army and I was an Army brat, and I got stuck and am still getting stuck and I am fine. Heck, I am less sick than most people I know.

97 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:23pm

re: #80 mrshankly01

evening,
i can not believe that the anti-vaccination cabal is getting this much traction.

Yeah. That is interesting. The anti vaccination crowd throws every possible claim against the wall hoping something will stick. I do not understand why this is being done. If any of the claims were valid, the line of lawyers trying to cash in on this would stretch from Maine to Baja California.

98 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:26pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Of course it does. We talked about this in class. The longer you live, the more Cancer you CAN get.

99 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:49pm

re: #86 jorline

Do what you can not to catch the virus. Try not to touch your face, ever. And, wash your hands with running water to disperse the viruses, every time that you touch someone's hand.

100 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:47:54pm

re: #98 mrshankly01

Of course it does. We talked about this in class. The longer you live, the more Cancer you CAN get.

and long term organ use diseases.

101 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:48:38pm

re: #96 mrshankly01

Well, I am in the Army and I was an Army brat, and I got stuck and am still getting stuck and I am fine. Heck, I am less sick than most people I know.


Yeah....I'm a brat too...got a long immunization record

102 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:49:24pm

Homeopathy, acupuncture (except for a few well-defined and limited uses), anti-vaccinationarianism, holistic anything, crystals, aromatherapy, basket-weaving, feng shui, Tarot, pyramids, cupping, bleeding, ear candling, colon cleansing, hamsas, shamans, faith healers, Christian Science, e-meters, Goddess cults, Theosophy, Τὸ Μεγα Θηρίον and Ordo Templi Orientalis, insert your favorite nonsense here...

They're all a testament to one thing only: The remarkable capacity humans have for imagining benefit from things they pay cash for. I can't be a dupe because I paid good money for that crystal!

The placebo effect: A very valuable thing in many, many instances. Just ask any old country doctor (if you can find one anymore) about his sugar pills and the real relief they bring.

Only trouble is, real, virulent, epidemic bugs, germs, viruses, bacilli and spores don't understand placebos and couldn't care less if the gypsy sold you a foolproof amulet against the Evil Eye.

Enter science, stage right.

I once went to an AA meeting with a friend. One guy there, recently sober, was all agonized about being diagnosed with clinical depression on top of his alcoholism. The doctor had prescribed Prozac. Some bozo at the meeting told him not to take it, because "all you need is this program". I almost tore him a new one. Depression is a deadly illness, often found with alcoholism but not coterminous with it, and this self-appointed arbiter of when not to take drugs was giving this poor fellow advice that could have killed him.

But try vitamins for your broken leg, if you like, HuffPo and Co. Just keep it to your stupid selves and don't ask me to pay for the new hip when your hyperloading B-complex regimen leaves your ass limping around town.

Rant off.

103 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:49:52pm

re: #21 Racer X

nice

104 researchok  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:50:39pm

Funny thing- some leftists rant and rail about religion as 'irrational' and backwards. Then they go out and throw science and scientists to the winds and claim that a Hollywood two bit hack is better qualified than researchers who have spent decades in their fields.

Talk about irrational and backwards.

105 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:51:20pm

re: #97 swamprat

True.
What we should do is get a "consensus" of scientists to publicly declare in a UN conference that vaccinations do not make you sick. Then everyone will be OK with it. Like the consensus that backed the sun going around the earth, man being only 6000 years old, that man sees by shooting rays out of his eyes, etc.

106 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:51:37pm

re: #101 BignJames

Yeah....I'm a brat too...got a long immunization record

I got a lot of the vaccines as a kid in Brooklyn and later in other parts of New York. We never gave it a second thought. I don't have any records at this point.

107 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:51:45pm

re: #101 BignJames

a lot of little yellow booklets than?

108 SummerSong  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:53:50pm

As I have said before, my mother is a polio survivor. Struck in her late teens, she recovered to live a full, wonderful, healthy life.

Immunizations were a matter of course at my home. We are grateful for them.

109 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:53:53pm

re: #75 FightingBack

I get patients in the office every single day who refuse all vaccines because of these celebrity opinions. For a while, it was just the MMR vaccine. Now it's all vaccines. They aren't getting this misinformation from prominent pediatricians.
It's Stripper Jenny and her ilk.

Can you convince any of them that vaccines are safe and necessary?

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:56:14pm

re: #105 mrshankly01

True.
What we should do is get a "consensus" of scientists to publicly declare in a UN conference that vaccinations do not make you sick. Then everyone will be OK with it. Like the consensus that backed the sun going around the earth, man being only 6000 years old, that man sees by shooting rays out of his eyes, etc.

Remember, lots of people still be lieve that second one. And declaration at a UN Event would just make the Alex Jones crowd all the more certain that a conspiracy was afoot.

111 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:56:34pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I'll leave my luck to you, jorline. I've always gotten over the flu fairly quickly so me odds are good even if I get it. I will pray you avoid it.

Thank you Dark. I never use to get sick...never. My meds have lowered my immune system and I caught a cold last week...within 48 hours it was reeking havoc in my chest, just finished a five day z-pack. I pray this flu strain doesn't spread.

112 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 10:59:02pm

re: #109 meeshlr

As I've posted before here, I first use gentle persuasion. (They trust me for the other things, don't they?) But if they refuse, I give them a release to sign. The release incriminates them on any charges of child neglect. Of course, they are free to leave my practice if they don't want to sign the release. It's a discouraging process.

113 jorline  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:00:21pm

re: #99 FightingBack

Do what you can not to catch the virus. Try not to touch your face, ever. And, wash your hands with running water to disperse the viruses, every time that you touch someone's hand.

Thanks...I own a restaurant and practice that hygiene daily.

Maybe Micheal Jackson was one step ahead of us all with his mask...lol

114 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:00:28pm

Big box and Maru

115 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:00:31pm

re: #99 FightingBack

Do what you can not to catch the virus. Try not to touch your face, ever. And, wash your hands with running water to disperse the viruses, every time that you touch someone's hand.

My kids drive me nuts, as they are both nail chewers. Argh.

My son is always touching his face, his nose, picking at pimples, chewing his nails.

I start to feel like a nag constantly criticizing them for it, but ...

116 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:01:02pm

re: #112 FightingBack

Sounds very discouraging.

My first reaction when someone says that they aren't having their children immunized is a "you've got to be kidding" snort. It's a good thing that I'm not a physician!

117 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:01:49pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

but one is afoot, haven't you heard, it is a conspiracy of conspiracies. it makes us not sure that anything is real. didn't you know, the world trade center was brought down by a vaccination. there is a picture of President Bush holding a needle and President Obama's birth certificate leaving WTC #11 on SEP 11th. I could show it to you but the state of Hawaii's massive storage protection system won't let me steal it. I guess I have to call Sandy Berger.

118 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:01:52pm

One of my favorite shirts says:
Death, our nation's number one killer.

119 BignJames  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:02:03pm

re: #107 mrshankly01

a lot of little yellow booklets than?


Yeah....can't remember many of 'em....Yellow fever...Typhoid...Typhus...Cholera....run of the mill stuff

120 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:02:49pm

re: #112 FightingBack

As I've posted before here, I first use gentle persuasion. (They trust me for the other things, don't they?) But if they refuse, I give them a release to sign. The release incriminates them on any charges of child neglect. Of course, they are free to leave my practice if they don't want to sign the release. It's a discouraging process.

The release, (from the American Academy of Pediatrics) states:
I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger h health or life of my child and others with which my child might come into contact.

121 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:14pm

re: #115 funky chicken

hand sanitizer. worked for me when I was deployed. carry it in your pocket. helps you remember. same for floss. of course i might be a freak.

122 BaseballMom57  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:24pm

re: #107 mrshankly01

a lot of little yellow booklets than?

Oh my GOSH...I had totally forgotten about those! I remember looking at mine as a little kid, thinking it was pretty cool.

123 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:31pm

re: #117 mrshankly01

needs work

124 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:03:43pm

re: #116 meeshlr

Sounds very discouraging.

My first reaction when someone says that they aren't having their children immunized is a "you've got to be kidding" snort. It's a good thing that I'm not a physician!

I have a lot of trouble keeping the contempt out of my voice.

125 LGoPs  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:04:04pm

re: #97 swamprat

Yeah. That is interesting. The anti vaccination crowd throws every possible claim against the wall hoping something will stick. I do not understand why this is being done. If any of the claims were valid, the line of lawyers trying to cash in on this would stretch from Maine to Baja California.

No kiddin'. John Edwards would be at the head of the line. Apparently, even that charlatan doesn't think this dog will hunt.

126 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:04:24pm

re: #119 BignJames

yea, i didn't even know I had the smallpox vaccine before until the Army gave it to me and I didn't get much of a reaction.

127 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:04:24pm

as a kid i remember IRON LONG MACHINES these people are totally nuts.

all medications have some side effects that effect a very small number of people but not using them causes DEATH

128 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:05:01pm

re: #120 FightingBack

The release, (from the American Academy of Pediatrics) states:
I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger h health or life of my child and others with which my child might come into contact.

That's brilliant! How many sign it?

129 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:05:46pm

re: #122 BaseballMom57

baseball, with the Army's awesome records system, I still keep mine. who wants to keep getting the anthrax vaccine.

130 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:06:14pm

lung oops
note to self check spelling when using bold upper case

131 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:06:18pm

re: #123 swamprat

off the top of the head. a head full of malbec.

132 LGoPs  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:14pm

re: #130 yochanan

lung oops
note to self check spelling when using bold upper case

Heh. I didn't even notice till you pointed it out.
:)

133 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:38pm

re: #127 yochanan

as a kid i remember IRON LONG MACHINES these people are totally nuts.

all medications have some side effects that effect a very small number of people but not using them causes DEATH

What was the movie with someone in an iron lung? I remember seeing those on TV in the late 60s. Used to scare me witless.

134 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:47pm

re: #128 meeshlr

The occasional nut. Most usually find an alternative practitioner, and leave me after that. They want support for their stupidity, not the sneer that they know they are getting from me.

135 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:07:57pm

re: #132 LGoPs

typo's can be funny

136 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:08:21pm

re: #126 mrshankly01

yea, i didn't even know I had the smallpox vaccine before until the Army gave it to me and I didn't get much of a reaction.

I'm still surprised when someone doesn't recognize my smallpox vaccination scar. I was in one of the last few years they were administering it.

137 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:08:57pm

re: #134 FightingBack

who are the practitioners going along with it?

138 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:10:44pm

re: #136 meeshlr

some people got really bad infections.

139 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:11:31pm

re: #137 mrshankly01

There are non-board certified practitioners in my community who like to show that they are "concerned." This puts them above me, as I am "unconcerned" about the risks of the vaccines.

140 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:11:58pm

re: #139 FightingBack

well, i appreciate your lack of concern :)

141 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:12:53pm

Good night, Lizardia.
Stay well.
I'm sure to get calls about the Swine Flu tomorrow...

142 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:13:57pm

re: #141 FightingBack

Good night, Lizardia.
Stay well.
I'm sure to get calls about the Swine Flu tomorrow...

Can you refuse to give flu shots to children that are not current on their regular vaxes?

143 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:14:20pm

Iron Lung ward at Rancho Los Amigos Hospital,
Downey, California, ca. 1953

CBER Centennial - Slide Presentation

Jim Carrey is a criminal.

144 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:14pm

re: #139 FightingBack

There are non-board certified practitioners in my community who like to show that they are "concerned." This puts them above me, as I am "unconcerned" about the risks of the vaccines.

"Concerned" with having an income? I'll bet they're more than happy to humor any and all patients regardless.

145 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:22pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Remember, lots of people still be lieve that second one. And declaration at a UN Event would just make the Alex Jones crowd all the more certain that a conspiracy was afoot.

It doesn't matter what facts you have behind you. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to the Alex Jones crowd. I used to listen to conspiracy radio late at night for grins and giggles. Only good thing that came out of it was that I found this site of sanity.

/by way of JW unfortunately but what can you say?

146 swamprat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:26pm

re: #117 mrshankly01

but one is afoot, haven't you heard, it is a conspiracy of conspiracies. it makes us not sure that anything is real. didn't you know, the world trade center was brought down by a vaccination. there is a picture of President Bush holding a needle and President Obama's birth certificate leaving WTC #11 on SEP 11th. I could show it to you but the state of Hawaii's massive storage protection system won't let me steal it. I guess I have to call Sandy Berger.

Like this;

(911-was caused by vaccinated terrorists to deliberately bring 19 different diseases to the U.S. which would then be efficiently spread by the first responders. Obama has a very rare Kenyan virus which causes health and longevity. The parade of American vaccines will keep the average joe from acquiring this much desired virus. But we would not be allowed to get it anyway, because only the bankers, Illuminati, builderbergers, trilateral commission and......

147 LGoPs  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:15:50pm

To my simple pea brain, life is a crap shoot. One of the ways of improving the odds is using the tools that hard fought science has developed for us. Are those tools foolproof? Nothing in life is foolproof. But if you ignore those tools you are a fool.

148 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:16:01pm
149 shiplord kirel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:16:02pm

It's a good thing these anti-vax nuts didn't have a large audience 40 or 50 years ago.

The eradication of smallpox was a monumental triumph of science and public service. Today's brand of celebrity-driven anti-vaccination propaganda could very well have caused this effort to fail and the age-old curse could still be with us.

150 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:17:10pm

re: #145 BlueCanuck

trilateral commission...mwaahaaa

151 shiplord kirel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:03pm

re: #148 funky chicken

[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...]

too harsh?

Nope, the literal truth. Sincerity is not a defense for criminally reckless homicide.

152 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:12pm

OT: I don't have cable, so I haven't watched their TV show- I only know who these people are because they're constantly on stupid reali-brity photo shoots. I can't wait until these people's 15 minutes is up. I say- go away, and never come back.

153 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:33pm

re: #146 swamprat

much better, thanks...the life sustaining illness reminds me of the one that Mister Burns had in the Simpsons that made him "invincible".....

154 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:18:38pm

re: #148 funky chicken

[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...]

too harsh?

Negative. Not harsh enough.

155 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:19:29pm

re: #136 meeshlr

I'm still surprised when someone doesn't recognize my smallpox vaccination scar. I was in one of the last few years they were administering it.

I never had it, which is odd because my mom's a nurse. I remember that she brought home a "sugar cube" polio vaccine when they came out with a new kind once.

156 LGoPs  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:20:02pm

re: #149 shiplord kirel

It's a good thing these anti-vax nuts didn't have a large audience 40 or 50 years ago.

The eradication of smallpox was a monumental triumph of science and public service. Today's brand of celebrity-driven anti-vaccination propaganda could very well have caused this effort to fail and the age-old curse could still be with us.

Celebrities have a special responsibility. Because of our media saturated culture they have an inordinate and mostly unearned influence. All the more reason to speak judiciously and circumspectly when you have that influence. Unfortunately that takes wisdom and many lack it.

157 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:21:09pm

re: #148 funky chicken

[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...]

too harsh?

No.

158 SummerSong  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:21:13pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

OT: I don't have cable, so I haven't watched their TV show- I only know who these people are because they're constantly on stupid reali-brity photo shoots. I can't wait until these people's 15 minutes is up. I say- go away, and never come back.

LOL I couldn't agree with you more and I know exactly who they are.

159 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:21:28pm

re: #148 funky chicken

anyone who listens to a hollywird celeb. on anything other than acting is a fool.

160 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:22:31pm

re: #159 yochanan

its like voting for a president based on his ability to play a saxophone...

161 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:03pm

re: #158 SummerSong

LOL I couldn't agree with you more and I know exactly who they are.

I'm just a little pissed because I spent some time looking up just who the hell they were and why I should care. I figured out who they were- I still don't care, however.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:12pm

re: #145 BlueCanuck

It doesn't matter what facts you have behind you. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to the Alex Jones crowd. I used to listen to conspiracy radio late at night for grins and giggles. Only good thing that came out of it was that I found this site of sanity.

/by way of JW unfortunately but what can you say?

I'm just saying that big declaration won't help in this case. Pushback in favor of science and truth needs to be grassroots, not from the top. Only then does it have a chance of acceptance.

163 meeshlr  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:28pm

re: #155 funky chicken

I think that they stopped giving the smallpox vaccination in the early '70s.

164 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:33pm

re: #160 mrshankly01

or read a teleprompter?

165 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:34pm

re: #160 mrshankly01

its like voting for a president based on his ability to play a saxophone...

I can think of a couple of of sax players who would likely be better in the job than the incumbent.

166 Erik The Red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:23:56pm

re: #160 mrshankly01

its like voting for a president based on his ability to play a saxophone...

Or like electing a President based on his ability to read a teleprompter.

167 Erik The Red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:24:46pm

re: #164 yochanan

or read a teleprompter?

By a few seconds. I type to slowly.

GMTA

168 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:25:08pm

re: #166 Erik The Red

GMTA

169 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:25:31pm

ROFLMAO

170 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:25:32pm

re: #164 yochanan

or read a teleprompter?

re: #166 Erik The Red

Or like electing a President based on his ability to read a teleprompter.

hahahaha, only 3 years and 265 days to go guys

171 Erik The Red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:25:51pm

re: #168 yochanan

GMTA

Beat you to that one. :)

172 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:26:14pm

re: #159 yochanan

anyone who listens to a hollywird celeb. on anything other than acting is a fool.

If even that. Actors used to get the training and go through the school of hard knocks in the theater. Many would earn degrees in drama as well as being involved in summer stock programs. Today many actors get to were they are because of their facial features for the most part. Many are undereducated compared to the actors of yesterday.

Jim Carrey is a perfect example of the undereducated crop of todays actors.

173 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:26:21pm

re: #152 Sharmuta

OT: I don't have cable, so I haven't watched their TV show- I only know who these people are because they're constantly on stupid reali-brity photo shoots. I can't wait until these people's 15 minutes is up. I say- go away, and never come back.

Agreed. Those two are the Most. Fake. People. Ever.

174 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:26:46pm

Not fer nothin' but...
Spencer sez...

Just one problem: Johnson's "neo-Nazi bookstore" sells Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore, as well as Samuel Huntington and Norman Finkelstein. Imagine how surprised Chomsky and Moore will be when they find out they are neo-Nazis!

These authors are touted by neo-Nazis because of the antisemitism and conspiracy theories.

If Charles Johnson really thinks I am a neo-Nazi sympathizer or a racist, let him produce even one line that I have written to support such a view.

I don't think anyone is accusing him of being a neo-Nazi but he is an apologist for them. He's doing it now. I do suspect that he does have ethnic nationalist tendencies from his support of genocidal Serbians and the Christian reconquest of Turkey.
Just sayin'

175 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:27:03pm

;)

176 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:27:56pm

re: #172 Gus 802

If even that. Actors used to get the training and go through the school of hard knocks in the theater. Many would earn degrees in drama as well as being involved in summer stock programs. Today many actors get to were they are because of their facial features for the most part. Many are undereducated compared to the actors of yesterday.

Jim Carrey is a perfect example of the undereducated crop of todays actors.

True, but he does have talent. The man has a gift for comedy, but his talents have turned to evil now.

177 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:28:37pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Those two are the Most. Fake. People. Ever.

They are so fake, I've never even heard of them. Not being a TV watcher, there's huge swath of pop culture of which I'm blissfully unaware.

178 SummerSong  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:28:38pm

I have never heard, nor met anyone who cares about these two...yet they are constantly in the news. Perhaps 13 year olds decide everything in Hollywood these days?

179 yochanan  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:28:44pm

good nite my lizards.

180 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:29:21pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

True, but he does have talent. The man has a gift for comedy, but his talents have turned to evil now.

Yeah, I was going to bring up "stand up" as a method of getting into acting. I have to admit I used to get a kick out him on MadTV back in the day. This however is inexcusable.

181 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:29:29pm

re: #179 yochanan

good nite my lizards.

Good night, yochanan.

182 mrshankly01  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:30:09pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

darth carrey

183 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:30:18pm

re: #181 Alberta Oil Peon

Good night, yochanan.

I'm going to knock off too. I'll talk to you all tomorrow.

184 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:31:04pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Not fer nothin' but...
Spencer sez...

I don't think anyone is accusing him of being a neo-Nazi but he is an apologist for them. He's doing it now. I do suspect that he does have ethnic nationalist tendencies from his support of genocidal Serbians and the Christian reconquest of Turkey.
Just sayin'

NPD anyone?
What about the skinhead connections?
What about the hardcore Nazi rock in his CD collection I linked this afternoon?
What about the other being an attorney for Axel Reitz?
What about the admiration of the 3rd Reich. The Holocaust denial? The racist music Manfred like?

//Anything Robert? Hmmm?

185 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:31:12pm

I think Spencer's trouble is that he's not comfortable with who he is. Buchanan has a nice career and is up front with who he is and what he stands for. Spencer could easily do the same thing but he's still uncomfortable with who he is. This wouldn't really be an issue if Spencer just did his thing and didn't obfuscate or try to refute it. Especially in today's political climate or Ron Paul and Glenn beck I really don't think it would be an issue.

186 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:31:24pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

I like how he tries to set the terms by demanding proof of his written word.

This isn't about your writing, mr spencer. This is about your associates and the amount of time you spend denouncing your critics instead of denouncing your racist friends.

187 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:32:28pm

re: #182 mrshankly01

darth carrey

That was my thought, too. His leading lady fell prey to fear, anger, and hatred and he followed her to the Dark Side.

Jenny McCarthy: Chicago's second worst export (the worst being CBBHO).

And on that note, I really must get to bed.

188 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:33:31pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

That was my thought, too. His leading lady fell prey to fear, anger, and hatred and he followed her to the Dark Side.

Jenny McCarthy: Chicago's second worst export (the worst being CBBHO).

And on that note, I really must get to bed.

Have a good one.

189 funky chicken  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:35:38pm

[Link: www.cdc.gov...]

The number of measles cases reported during January 1--July 31, 2008, is the highest year-to-date since 1996. This increase was not the result of a greater number of imported cases, but was the result of greater viral transmission after importation into the United States, leading to a greater number of importation-associated cases. These importation-associated cases have occurred largely among school-aged children who were eligible for vaccination but whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated. One study has suggested an increasing number of vaccine exemptions among children who attend school in states that allow philosophical exemptions (6). In addition, home-schooled children are not covered by school-entry vaccination requirements in many states. The increase in importation-associated cases this year is a concern and might herald a larger increase in measles morbidity, especially in communities with many unvaccinated residents.

In the United States, measles caused 450 reported deaths and 4,000 cases of encephalitis annually before measles vaccine became available in the mid-1960s (1). Through a successful measles vaccination program, the United States eliminated endemic measles transmission (1). Sustaining elimination requires maintaining high MMR vaccine coverage rates, particularly among preschool (>90% 1-dose coverage) and school-aged children (>95% 2-dose coverage) (7). High coverage levels provide herd immunity, decreasing everyone's risk for measles exposure and affording protection to persons who cannot be vaccinated. However, herd immunity does not provide 100% protection, especially in communities with large numbers of unvaccinated persons. For the foreseeable future, measles importations into the United States will continue to occur because measles is still common in Europe and other regions of the world. Within the United States, the current national MMR vaccine coverage rate is adequate to prevent the sustained spread of measles. However, importations of measles likely will continue to cause outbreaks in communities that have sizeable clusters of unvaccinated persons.

190 Cheechako  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 11:50:26pm

I grew up in a small town south of Boston. My town had hundreds of acres of swamps. In the mid 1950's on outbreak of encepilitis broke out and infected several hundred people. The town hired a spraying company to attack the mosquitoes breeding in the swamps. I can remember standing outside watching several surplus WW2 bombers, flying wingtip to wingtip, spraying thousands of gallons of DDT to kill the mosquitoes. It worked. Had a nice mosquito free summer from then on.

191 mrshankly01  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 12:20:35am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

night dark falcon

192 markx  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 5:37:05am
Doctorate in Homeopathic Medicine

Bwahahahahaha... roflmao...
That explains it all.

193 DistantThunder  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:43:56am

I don't think it matters to SOME leftist how many people died in Saddam's gas attacks, and other genocidal purges, in the gulags of the Soviet Union, in third world malarial swamps, or from the ravages of other infectious diseases like flu and STD's. Because to them, individuals are less important than dogma or policy.

I can understand the anxiety of parents who have been indoctrinated with this vaccination craziness to recoil from the procedure. It is invasive, and the child cries. The parents' imagination goes wild.

Some type of deprogramming or "exit-counseling" may be necessary to overcome this new propaganda - maybe youtube videos of children dying miserable deaths from these preventable causes. Many modern parents have difficulty conceptualizing the reality of "child death."

194 horse  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 6:58:15am

re: #11 Gus 802

That section is a great display of simple factual application exposing an obviously untenable position. With one hand he easily and quickly pulls back the thin sheet covering their "argument" and shows the naked simpleton beneath it. And they will be furious with him about their nakedness, even as they refuse to change their naked position with the readily available protection vaccination can provide them.

195 marge45b  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 7:02:52am

I think Phil has seen the little green light at the end of the tunnel!

196 meh130  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 3:59:14pm

Is it really possible to rehabilitate a former HuffPo columnist?


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