Pro Koln: The Wrap-Up

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Gegenkritik has a post on the confrontation over Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller’s now-canceled participation in the “pro-Köln” meeting in Germany, with important context on the political background that makes this issue so complex: German conditions.

Recently, there has been a major confrontation in the American blogosphere with Charles Johnson’s Little Green Footballs on the one and Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch as well as Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugs on the other side, regarding the repetition of the “Anti-Islamization-congress”, hosted by the small far right group pro-Köln, which announced Spencer and Geller as speakers at their meeting.

Without any doubt, it was due to Johnson’s accurate and highly appreciated research and coverage about pro-Köln (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), that Spencer and Geller finally retracted their written agreements to attend the conference - it is ridiculous that both are still defending pro-Köln, when it would be the perfect moment to apologize to Johnson and cut off all ties to right-wing extremist, fascistic or racist groups.

Well, I’m not holding my breath for that, but don’t forget to read the whole thing…

UPDATE at 4/27/09 11:55:25 am:

Here’s another post on the matter at a German-American blog: Dialog International: Battle of the (right-wing) blogs.

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307 comments
1 Tamron  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:43:38am

Hoot, Mon! Why would anyone want to be Anti-Colon?
.

2 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:44:47am

It's amazing what a little sunlight will do.

3 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:45:18am

Go Charles!

LGF makes a difference.

4 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:45:30am

"I was going to the conference before I wasn't going to the conference"

Spencer / Geller, written for them by John Efn Kerry's ex speah writers!

5 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:45:59am

Spenser is a colon who is not going to Koln?

6 Tamron  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:46:09am

OT, but this display of bike-riding talent is nothing short of amazing:

Inspired Bicycles - Danny MacAskill April 2009

Filmed over the period of a few months in and around Edinburgh by Dave Sowerby, this video of Inspired Bicycles team rider Danny MacAskill (more info at [Link: www.dannymacaskill.com)...] features probably the best collection of street/street trials riding ever seen. There's some huge riding, but also some of the most technically difficult and imaginative lines you will ever see. Without a doubt, this video pushes the envelope of what is perceived as possible on a trials bike.


.

7 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:46:47am

He gives Zombietime a nod as well. Way to go Zombie!

8 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:47:21am

re: #6 Tamron

Tamron ,, downdinged ya for going OT only 6 posts in ,,, Sorry ,, but bad bad bad !

9 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:47:41am

re: #2 MrSilverDragon

It's amazing what a little sunlight will do.

It's the best disinfectant for Nazis, Islamists, and kooks.

10 Guanxi88  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:49:47am

re: #9 Honorary Yooper

It's the best disinfectant for Nazis, Islamists, and kooks.

Oh, but what a little moonlight can do:

Youtube Video

Billie Holliday, folks!

11 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:51:33am

How do you like them apples?

12 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:51:36am

I will go to Koln, it is a great city. I'll skip the Neo-Nazi fest though, if that is ok with everyone.

Cologne Cathedral, one of my favs

13 MJ  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:52:06am

Thanks Gegenkritik for the clear explanation. Very useful.
You will, of course, be attacked for it anyway.

14 Tamron  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #8 sattv4u2

Tamron ,, downdinged ya for going OT only 6 posts in ,,, Sorry ,, but bad bad bad !

Errrr -- I missed seeing that rule. Linky, please?
.

15 Guanxi88  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:52:54am

Do you think Pam'll use the cancelled airfare and hotel to buy headstones for people she doesn't know, of more make-up, or what?

16 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:53:12am

re: #11 BigPapa

How do you like them apples?

APPLE BOOBS

[Link: www.lifeisajoke.com...]

17 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:54:36am

You are known by the company you keep. If you hang around with scumbags and lowlifes, it says a lot about yourself.

18 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:55:09am

re: #15 Guanxi88

Do you think Pam'll use the cancelled airfare and hotel to buy headstones for people she doesn't know, of more make-up, or what?

Heh. I don't think you can even buy refundable airline tickets anymore. That money's gone.

19 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:55:15am

Congratulations, Charles. Due to your high moral fiber, you have proved to be an effective Köln-cleanser.

/ducks

20 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:55:22am

....it is ridiculous that both are still defending pro-Köln, when it would be the perfect moment to apologize to Johnson and cut off all ties to right-wing extremist, fascistic or racist groups.

That pretty much sums it up. I have a feeling that there will be more screeds ignoring the real issues peppered with sock puppet acolytes imploring Charles to ignore AS/JW because it's not a big deal anyhoo, just a bunch of trash talking so why pay attention to them, no?

21 Guanxi88  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:55:44am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Heh. I don't think you can even buy refundable airline tickets anymore. That money's gone.

Then something good really did come out of this, huh?

22 Guanxi88  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:56:08am

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Congratulations, Charles. Due to your high moral fiber, you have proved to be an effective Köln-cleanser.

/ducks

Colonic irrigation, is it?

23 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:56:13am

re: #12 Desert Dog

I will go to Koln, it is a great city. I'll skip the Neo-Nazi fest though, if that is ok with everyone.

Cologne Cathedral, one of my favs

MEET UP? When and where?
And, of course not visiting that hate-fest.

24 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:56:30am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

Those look more like grapefruits, but that detail is not important...

25 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:57:00am

re: #14 Tamron

Errrr -- I missed seeing that rule. Linky, please?
.

Never said it was a "rule". I just see it as bad form, IMHO. Downding me for downdinging you, if thats what floats your boat!

26 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #6 Tamron

OT, but this display of bike-riding talent is nothing short of amazing:

Inspired Bicycles - Danny MacAskill April 2009


.

Thread tie-in: he rides the bike over Pamela and Robert.

/owwww!

27 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:57:49am

Thanks Gegenkritik for the "inside" view.

I wonder if any of the anti-Israel vitriol in (formerly) West Germany is due to the influx of mainly-Islamic Turks after WW2?

28 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #1 Tamron

Hoot, Mon! Why would anyone want to be Anti-Colon?
.

Perhaps they only go half-way and are semiColon?

29 Spider Mensch  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:58:11am

remember that old song...

"you say Nazi..
I say Nutsey..
let's call the whole thing off..."

30 CynicalConservative  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:58:25am

re: #14 Tamron

Errrr -- I missed seeing that rule. Linky, please?
.

More a matter of etiquette than a rule. 100 is the threshold I'm most familiar with.

31 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:58:33am

re: #28 CyanSnowHawk

Perhaps they only go half-way and are semiColon?

Will we need a colonoscope to find out?

32 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:59:35am

re: #1 Tamron

Hoot, Mon! Why would anyone want to be Anti-Colon?
.

Because Cristobal Colón was an imperialist honco!

33 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:00:17pm

The nutcases still ranting on the Pro Koln thread at Harry's Place -

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

34 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:00:19pm

Colons are full up crap!

35 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #16 Nevergiveup

APPLE BOOBS

[Link: www.lifeisajoke.com...]

BraBook!

36 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #34 Ward Cleaver

Colons are full up of crap!

PIMF!

37 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:01:14pm

re: #23 callahan23

MEET UP? When and where?
And, of course not visiting that hate-fest.

I wish I could go to Koln. I have not been there since my "Let's Go to Europe" backpacking days in the 80's. I loved that area though. From there down the Rhine it's all nice. I hit most every Youth Hostel from there (the train from Amsterdam took us to Cologne) down to Basil, Switzerland. Memories of that trip are still fuzzy. The ones I do remember are all good. The ones are don't remember, my backpacking buddies assure me I was thoroughly enjoying myself at all times.

I am stuck inside of Phoenix with the Memphis blues again here....no Deutschland plans in the future.

38 NelsFree  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #1 Tamron

Hoot, Mon! Why would anyone want to be Anti-Colon?
.

Christopher Columbus' name was Colon in Spain.

39 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:01:22pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

Because Cristobal Colón was an imperialist honco!

And Bartolo Colon is a far RIGHT winged pitcher!

40 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:01:57pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

re: #39 sattv4u2

And Bartolo Colon is a far RIGHT winged pitcher!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

41 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:02:38pm

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

42 NelsFree  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:02:59pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Congratulations, Charles. Due to your high moral fiber, you have proved to be an effective Köln-cleanser.

/ducks

If Charles gets too many compliments on his high-fiber, he's just going to die-t...
/

43 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:03:24pm

In the phoo on Gegenkritik's blog, a partial sign:

KATLIAMA HAYIR!

is Turkish

44 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:03:37pm

re: #13 MJ

Thanks Gegenkritik for the clear explanation. Very useful.
You will, of course, be attacked for it anyway.


Thank you and thanks to Charles for the link.
By the way, if someone finds a big misspelling, feel free to inform me.

45 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:04:04pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

I think the hate is still there, just not in the forefront.

46 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:04:23pm

re: #38 NelsFree

Christopher Columbus' name was Colon in Spain.

And Columbus is the name of a company that makes frames for what?

And Charles is into what?

We're through the looking glass here, people!

47 yma o hyd  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:04:31pm

From the update link:

'two prominent American right-wing extemists - the blogger Pamela Geller and the "journalist" Robert Spencer - would be speaking at the event.'

Aww - that'll hurt!

:-)))

48 Dainn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:04:43pm

Excellent! WTG Charles.

We should all be working together, but that has to be without sacrificing our morality in the process. The ends does not justify the means, and when you make a deal with the devil you end up the junior partner.

I'm not holding my breath either. Seems that there is a lot of ego in this debate.

49 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:05:09pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

When they found that they could gain some credibility by hitching their wagons to the anti-Jihad train.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:05:12pm
regarding the repetition of the “Anti-Islamization-congress”,

WTF?

51 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

They are an equal-hating organization. If you are not white, then they hate you. Even then, they hate quite a few white people too. I think their "list of people we hate" is much, much longer than their "list of people we like".

52 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:05:21pm

re: #43 OldLineTexan

In the phoo on Gegenkritik's blog

The result of a Köln blow?

53 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:05:27pm

re: #27 OldLineTexan

Thanks Gegenkritik for the "inside" view.

I wonder if any of the anti-Israel vitriol in (formerly) West Germany is due to the influx of mainly-Islamic Turks after WW2?

Certainly a big upsurge in anti-Israel vitriol is due to the Turkish immigration. Bigger influence on that topic yet are the Arab immigrants from the Levant who are solidaritizing with the palestinians.
The biggest contributors of anti-Israel vitriol in (formerly) West Germany are by far the ideological leftards who've been the lap-dogs of the (formerly) East German communist party line.

54 rhino2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:06:11pm

I have been largely just lurking through these threads over the past few days, but I want to go ahead and get something off my chest.

It's very sad that so many people seem to lack the ability to admit fault, admit they didn't do the research, or just admit they made a bad call, and apologize to those who they attacked for merely doing the research. It's not a problem that end with Spencer and Geller, though they clearly suffer from it. It afflicts our entire political system as well. It has become "political suicide" it seems to ever take responsibility for any action, and our congressmen/women have become masters of dodge, misdirect, and redirect, and so also it seems have these two bloggers.

Perhaps one day our politicians and the likes of Spencer and Geller will learn that admitting you were wrong doesn't have to be the death of your career, it can just be a stepping stone along the way to furthering your career.

55 NelsFree  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #46 Occasional Reader

And Columbus is the name of a company that makes frames for what?

And Charles is into what?

We're through the looking glass here, people!

One more degree of separation from Kevin Bacon!

56 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:06:47pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?


And you think they've stopped because ,,,,,,,?

57 yma o hyd  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #44 gegenkritik

Thank you and thanks to Charles for the link.
By the way, if someone finds a big misspelling, feel free to inform me.

Good work!

I had no idea how utterly confusing the political scene is in Germany.
I'm impressed by your analysis of the German Left's attitude to both Israel and the USA.

Thanks.

(No spelling errors found)

58 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #37 Desert Dog

Well, then a meet up in the States will have to suffice, ay?

59 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #44 gegenkritik

Thank you and thanks to Charles for the link.
By the way, if someone finds a big misspelling, feel free to inform me.

This one big enough for you?

/Don't think you had anything to do with it though.

60 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:07:32pm
61 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:08:13pm

re: #43 OldLineTexan

In the phoo on Gegenkritik's blog, a partial sign:

KATLIAMA HAYIR!

is Turkish

Oh, dear Lord.

It appears to mean "Don't get involved in genocide", at least loosely done by a machine translator.

That would explain the links I found to skinned baby harp seal videos set to Turkic wailing music.

62 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:09:17pm

re: #52 Occasional Reader

The result of a Köln blow?

OUCH.

/LOL

63 NelsFree  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:09:36pm

re: #54 rhino2

You should see my reading list! It gets longer with each thread!
"The more you know, the more you know you DON'T know"

64 centaur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:09:47pm

"Above all things, truth beareth away the victory."

65 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:09:48pm

re: #59 CyanSnowHawk

This one big enough for you?

/Don't think you had anything to do with it though.

Impossible!

/those are needed for hotdogs!

66 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:10:40pm

re: #59 CyanSnowHawk

This one big enough for you?

/Don't think you had anything to do with it though.

I think I pass on that one! lol

67 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:10:48pm

re: #51 Desert Dog

The list of people they like is pretty much confined to anyone in their group and anyone who sympathizes.

68 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:10:49pm

re: #54 rhino2

I have been largely just lurking through these threads over the past few days, but I want to go ahead and get something off my chest.

It's very sad that so many people seem to lack the ability to admit fault, admit they didn't do the research, or just admit they made a bad call, and apologize to those who they attacked for merely doing the research. It's not a problem that end with Spencer and Geller, though they clearly suffer from it. It afflicts our entire political system as well. It has become "political suicide" it seems to ever take responsibility for any action, and our congressmen/women have become masters of dodge, misdirect, and redirect, and so also it seems have these two bloggers.

Perhaps one day our politicians and the likes of Spencer and Geller will learn that admitting you were wrong doesn't have to be the death of your career, it can just be a stepping stone along the way to furthering your career.

Brings to mind the Money Speech from Atlas Shrugged.

69 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

And you think they've stopped because ,,,,,,,?


I'm not so easily fooled as Spencer & Geller.

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey
From the beginning, this has looked exactly like a cynical strategy by the Neo-Nazi groups.

70 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:11:41pm

re: #27 OldLineTexan

Thanks Gegenkritik for the "inside" view.

I wonder if any of the anti-Israel vitriol in (formerly) West Germany is due to the influx of mainly-Islamic Turks after WW2?


The anti-Semitism in some parts of the islamic community is different from that of non-muslim Germans. While the latter have huge sympathies for Palestinans, they try to combine this with their "official story" of the good Germans who learned from their past and are now good friends who just critizise Israel, while, especially during the Gaza-war, some Muslims had no hesitations to openly declare they want to murder Jews.

71 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:13:34pm

Seems like a good time for Keith Jarrett - Koln Concert

Youtube Video
72 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:15:22pm

re: #70 gegenkritik

Thanks. Do they get a lot of signs waved around in Turkish, like in the photos?

Doesn't that tend to fuel the neo-Nazis and other nationalists?

73 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:17:05pm

OT: Mexico quake update

Televisa television network quoted Mexico City officials saying there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.

Good news, tentatively.

74 wahabicorridor  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #69 Kenneth

I'm not so easily fooled as Spencer & Geller.

Spencer may be fooled - altho' I have my doubts. Geller is not. She's in it for the fame. On this side of the divide, she couldn't compete.

75 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:19:09pm

re: #74 wahabicorridor

Spencer may be fooled - altho' I have my doubts. Geller is not. She's in it for the fame. On this side of the divide, she couldn't compete.

Who is this Geller and why does she think she's famous?

76 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:20:01pm

re: #74 wahabicorridor

Spencer may be fooled - altho' I have my doubts. Geller is not. She's in it for the fame. On this side of the divide, she couldn't compete.

Not entirely sure about that with Spencer. He's shown a tendency to side with Serbian nationalists before. IIRC, Medaura and MPH exposed this.

77 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:20:04pm

re: #51 Desert Dog

They are an equal-hating organization. If you are not white, then they hate you. Even then, they hate quite a few white people too. I think their "list of people we hate" is much, much longer than their "list of people we like".

Hate is an ever-tightening circle, eventually comprised of people who are somewhat dubious of even those within the circle itself. It's eventually self-defeating, but as the process plays out, great swaths of humanity pay the price. this is the way it always has been and this is the way it ever will be.

78 NelsFree  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:20:07pm

Wait wait, I've Got it!

Charles,

You should have named this thread...

Pro-Colon: The Wipe-Up
/

79 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:20:46pm

re: #72 OldLineTexan

Thanks. Do they get a lot of signs waved around in Turkish, like in the photos?

Doesn't that tend to fuel the neo-Nazis and other nationalists?


No, during the Gaza-war, Neo-Nazis and Muslims in Germany were demonstrating together against the "common enemy". Here is a (poorly translated) report about this.

80 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #75 ConservatismNow!

Who is this Geller and why does she think she's famous?

Pamela "Carzy Bikini" Geller? The one who blogs about Saddam Hussein's capture while wearing naught but two small pieces of cloth?

81 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:22:09pm

re: #80 Honorary Yooper

Pamela "Carzy Bikini" Geller? The one who blogs about Saddam Hussein's capture while wearing naught but two small pieces of cloth?

Sounds like a reputable source for news and commentary. (I was kidding by the way. I know who Pamela Geller is.)

82 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:22:31pm

re: #79 gegenkritik

Thanks again. I highly recommend that link. It's sickening.

83 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:23:07pm

re: #80 Honorary Yooper

Carzy Bikini

No, you're thinking of that nutty, cross-dressing Afghan leader, Hamid "Bikini" Kharzai.

84 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #79 gegenkritik

No, during the Gaza-war, Neo-Nazis and Muslims in Germany were demonstrating together against the "common enemy". Here is a (poorly translated) report about this.

Great link! Stuff like this destroys the lie that the so-called "counterjihad" movement must make allies of the Neo-Nazis and other European Fascists.

85 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:23:59pm

Gegentrik, that's a great article, and I appreciate how you called out the lunacy of the other extreme as well. I linked back to you earlier.

Here's to all bloggers who can recognize the difference between political correctness and moral correctness.

86 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:24:43pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

No, you're thinking of that nutty, cross-dressing Afghan leader, Hamid "Bikini" Kharzai.

"Tan Lines" to his friends.

87 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:24:49pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I have a question. How does a fascist organization classify as 'right-wing'? It would seem to me that truly 'right-wing' people would be anti-fascist.

88 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:24:58pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

No, you're thinking of that nutty, cross-dressing Afghan leader, Hamid "Bikini" Kharzai.

Hey OR! Does this Bikini make my butt look big?

89 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:25:44pm

Hi gegenkritik. In this passage:

As a conclusion: there are simply no political parties in Germany, which one should consider to support, especially not rightwing-extremists like pro-Köln. But it is also absolutely false to rely on those, who purport to be pro-Köln’s opponents, while only reproducing German continuousness.

are you saying there are no political parties in Germany worthy of support? If you were not a conservative, would that still be true? And, could you explain what you mean by "German continuousness"? Thanks!

90 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:25:46pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Hey OR! Does this Bikini make my butt look big?

No. Those chili cheese burgers do.

91 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:25:56pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Hey OR! Does this Bikini make my butt look big?

I think it's the hair.

92 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:26:03pm

re: #81 ConservatismNow!

Sounds like a reputable source for news and commentary. (I was kidding by the way. I know who Pamela Geller is.)

I think Pamela's in it for the exposure (yes, it was meant to be a double entondre). She strikes me as a mess, memorializing the Holocaust, condemning Pat Buchanan, and then applauding the Vlaams Belang, Pro-Koln, BNP, and other such groups. I seriously have to wonder if the woman does not need psychiatric help.

93 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:26:25pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Hey OR! Does this Bikini make my butt look big?

Ya got basketballs back there?

94 jorline  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:26:33pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Hey OR! Does this Bikini make my butt look big?

Hi ya Hoopster.

I'm worried about you son.

95 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:26:39pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Hey OR! Does this Bikini make my butt look big?

No, but your butt makes that bikini look huge.

96 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #75 ConservatismNow!

Who is this Geller and why does she think she's famous?

She's pretty, stacked, and is good at getting her picture taken. Particularly when hanging on someone famous' arm. Especially if that person is male and mildly befuddled by the bosom on display.

97 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:27:23pm

re: #92 Honorary Yooper

She must be gunning for a FOX news anchor position

98 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #87 Ford_Prefect

How does a fascist organization classify as 'right-wing'?

Oy (as my people say... well, someone else's people say). This topic has been rather heavily flogged in several threads over the past few weeks.

99 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:28:42pm

re: #96 Dianna

She's pretty, stacked, and is good at getting her picture taken. Particularly when hanging on someone famous' arm. Especially if that person is male and mildly befuddled by the bosom on display.

But enough about the silver lining.

100 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:28:52pm

re: #87 Ford_Prefect

Good Afternoon Lizards!

I have a question. How does a fascist organization classify as 'right-wing'? It would seem to me that truly 'right-wing' people would be anti-fascist.

It's the European right wing. European politics have been different than American politics for quite some time, and Americans often misunderstand them. For the Euros, totalitarianisms exist at both ends of the spectrum, the tribal end and the class end (fascists and communists). It's a bit foreign to Americans who are used to a different terminology for right and left wing.

101 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:28:54pm

re: #96 Dianna

She's pretty, stacked, and is good at getting her picture taken. Particularly when hanging on someone famous' arm. Especially if that person is male and mildly befuddled by the bosom on display.

What? Uh... did you say something?

102 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:28:59pm
103 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:29:11pm

re: #92 Honorary Yooper

I think Pamela's in it for the exposure (yes, it was meant to be a double entondre). She strikes me as a mess, memorializing the Holocaust, condemning Pat Buchanan, and then applauding the Vlaams Belang, Pro-Koln, BNP, and other such groups. I seriously have to wonder if the woman does not need psychiatric help.

She's just an uniformed (read: stupid) publicity whore.

104 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:29:35pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader

Oy (as my people say... well, someone else's people say). This topic has been rather heavily flogged in several threads over the past few weeks.

Sorry. Been real busy lately so I haven't been around much.

105 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:29:37pm

re: #94 jorline

Hi ya Hoopster.

I'm worried about you son.

LOL! Hi Jorline...Hope you are well..
I weigh 5 lbs more from College days..Lean and mean my brother?
Now back to the Bikini..2 piece or one? hehehehe

106 yma o hyd  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:29:43pm

re: #92 Honorary Yooper

I think Pamela's in it for the exposure (yes, it was meant to be a double entondre). She strikes me as a mess, memorializing the Holocaust, condemning Pat Buchanan, and then applauding the Vlaams Belang, Pro-Koln, BNP, and other such groups. I seriously have to wonder if the woman does not need psychiatric help.

She says that she is a proud Jew, therefore these groups who have invited her, or whom she supports, cannot be neonazi ...

Yeah, I know ...

107 Rancher  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:30:11pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader

Oy (as my people say... well, someone else's people say). This topic has been rather heavily flogged in several threads over the past few weeks.

I seem to remember one...

108 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:30:18pm

re: #100 Honorary Yooper

It's the European right wing. European politics have been different than American politics for quite some time, and Americans often misunderstand them. For the Euros, totalitarianisms exist at both ends of the spectrum, the tribal end and the class end (fascists and communists). It's a bit foreign to Americans who are used to a different terminology for right and left wing.

Ah. That helps. Thanks.

109 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:30:23pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

When they found they had more Muslims than Jews, because the Muslims are immigrating and they already got rid of most of their Jews before they were stopped. Once they get rid of enough Muslims, they'll go after Jews.

110 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:31:24pm

re: #103 MacDuff

She's just an uniformed (read: stupid) publicity whore.

I could think of a couple uniforms that I might like to see her in, but you meant uninformed, didn't you?

111 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:31:33pm

re: #101 Ford_Prefect

What? Uh... did you say something?

She did. She said something about b00bs. I heard her.

112 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #96 Dianna

She's pretty, stacked, and is good at getting her picture taken. Particularly when hanging on someone famous' arm. Especially if that person is male and mildly befuddled by the bosom on display.

Don't forget the hair fluffing. She's always fluffing the hair.

113 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #109 Kosh's Shadow

When they found they had more Muslims than Jews, because the Muslims are immigrating and they already got rid of most of their Jews before they were stopped. Once they get rid of enough Muslims, they'll go after Jews.

If the Muslims haven't gotten us first?

114 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:32:52pm

re: #112 reine.de.tout

Don't forget the hair fluffing. She's always fluffing the hair.

You're correct; I apologize for forgetting it.

115 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:33:01pm

re: #109 Kosh's Shadow

When they found they had more Muslims than Jews, because the Muslims are immigrating and they already got rid of most of their Jews before they were stopped. Once they get rid of enough Muslims, they'll go after Jews.

Sort of a perverted law of "supply and demand"? Sigh.

116 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:33:01pm

re: #12 Desert Dog

They discovered some old drawings of Koln Cathedral and used them to complete the towers in 1880. It was the tallest building in the world at the time. 4 years later the Washington Monument took that title.

117 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:33:13pm

BYOB. I mean, BBIAB.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:33:23pm

re: #114 Dianna

I fluff my hair.

119 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fluff my hair.

All two of 'em?

120 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:02pm

(semi OT) There is a BabelFish add-on for FireFox which can provide translation from/to several languages. There are configuration options for how the translation is to be triggered and presented. Usage can be as simple as highlighting the text of interest, and having the translation appear automatically in a popup "balloon". The default configuration requires a hotkey for triggering the popup.

BabelFish Instant Translation 1.84
[Link: addons.mozilla.org...]

Notes:
In quoted instances of this link, https may revert to http --and fail; I had to uppercase the S to keep it from being stripped off.

Altho I've checked the option for Show translation tooltip on: [x] Highlighting text, I suspect this may be sub-optimal in terms of cyber privacy, as anything highlighted can trigger the popup, and presumably that text gets dispatched for an attempt at translation, even if already English. So I may revert to the default (that option unchecked).

121 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:09pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Hi gegenkritik. In this passage:

are you saying there are no political parties in Germany worthy of support? If you were not a conservative, would that still be true? And, could you explain what you mean by "German continuousness"? Thanks!


I am no conservative. I think I would be one, if I would live in the USA, where I could have voted for George W. Bush or John McCain and where the whole political standards are completely different (better) than here; where the average citizen is not hostile towards the USA and Israel and where capitalism is not seen as a conspiracy of evil obscurantists.
If at all, I am among these people you can read about here and here.

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

Hey Toots!

123 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:12pm
124 yma o hyd  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:21pm

re: #109 Kosh's Shadow

When they found they had more Muslims than Jews, because the Muslims are immigrating and they already got rid of most of their Jews before they were stopped. Once they get rid of enough Muslims, they'll go after Jews.

I think gegenkritik explained very well that they support Israel at the moment because this supports their racial, fascist argument for an ethnically 'clean' state.
Once the muslims are gon, as you so rightly say, the Jews will certainly be next on their agenda, especially as they have their own state now. No need for that, ahem, uncivilised Holocaust any longer ...

125 Rancher  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:29pm

OT-SEIU draws upon swine flu to attack GOP senators

The Service Employees International Union launched an online movement Monday attacking Republican senators for blocking the confirmation of Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services Secretary in the wake of the recent swine flu epidemic.


"This disease is spreading as we speak, but right now, a Bush-appointed accountant is running the department," the union says on its website.


Waskely Wepublicans. Just 'cause she's another tax cheat, something the first linked article ignores.

126 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fluff my hair.

Ask reine about that, not me. I spend most of my time trying to keep my hair under control. Otherwise, it starts twining around male shirt buttons on street corners, and otherwise seducing people without my knowledge.

127 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:50pm

re: #113 Nevergiveup

If the Muslims haven't gotten us first?

I guess the neo-Nazis don't ally with the Muslims to get rid of Jews first (like Hitler did) maybe because the Muslims look too different from the Germans, and the Jews look more like Germans (except for our hooked noses (/sarc)).

128 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:51pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fluff my hair.

You got hair? Braggart!

129 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:34:54pm

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Toots!

Howdy there, FBV!

130 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:35:10pm

re: #96 Dianna

What a game.

131 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:35:53pm

re: #109 Kosh's Shadow

When they found they had more Muslims than Jews, because the Muslims are immigrating and they already got rid of most of their Jews before they were stopped. Once they get rid of enough Muslims, they'll go after Jews.

Buyer's Genocider's remorse.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:36:16pm

I don't go to other sites. Pamela's purdy?

133 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:36:20pm

Awesome. Thanks be to Charles and LGF for doing the heavy lifting that we all benefit from.

134 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:36:36pm

re: #116 Ojoe

It is an awesome sight to behold, that is for sure

135 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:36:47pm

re: #124 yma o hyd

I think gegenkritik explained very well that they support Israel at the moment because this supports their racial, fascist argument for an ethnically 'clean' state.
Once the muslims are gon, as you so rightly say, the Jews will certainly be next on their agenda, especially as they have their own state now. No need for that, ahem, uncivilised Holocaust any longer ...

I haven't had time to read the whole thread; I'm supposed to be working.
Do a little LGF while the program compiles, then go back to work...

136 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:37:37pm

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't go to other sites. Pamela's purdy?

Purdy is as purdy does.

137 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:38:01pm

re: #110 CyanSnowHawk

I could think of a couple uniforms that I might like to see her in, but you meant uninformed, didn't you?

That I did! Thanks for pointing that out....

138 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:38:04pm

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't go to other sites. Pamela's purdy?

Nah, jack-boots and a bikini doesn't work for me.

139 Tamron  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #126 Dianna

Ask reine about that, not me. I spend most of my time trying to keep my hair under control. Otherwise, it starts twining around male shirt buttons on street corners, and otherwise seducing people without my knowledge.

Excellent inspiration for creative musing, Dianna...... (!)
.

140 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:38:32pm

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't go to other sites. Pamela's purdy?

Looks aren't everything.

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:39:13pm

See? See why I don't go to other sites?

142 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:39:17pm

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't go to other sites. Pamela's purdy?

She may have the looks, but she ain't got nothin' behind those eyes of hers.

143 yma o hyd  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:39:20pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

I haven't had time to read the whole thread; I'm supposed to be working.
Do a little LGF while the program compiles, then go back to work...

Aww - its a hard life when work interferes with the really important things in life ...

:-))

144 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:39:25pm

re: #134 Desert Dog

Finishing the Cathedral in the 1800s


Wiki article on the Koln Cathedral

Enjoy.

145 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:40:20pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Hi gegenkritik. In this passage:

are you saying there are no political parties in Germany worthy of support? If you were not a conservative, would that still be true? And, could you explain what you mean by "German continuousness"? Thanks!

Hi wrenchwench,
I think that even the conservative German parties, the ones you actually can vote for, have no recipe for integrating the muslim immigrants and addressing the issue of islamo-fascism in a meaningful manner, without going full tilt fascist (neo-nazi) themselves.
Also the CDU/CSU (conservative parties) are very incomparable to American politics, as they are way more social-democrat as the Republicans in the US. Much rather they compare to the social-republicans or the dems.

146 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:44:05pm

re: #145 callahan23

Very much so. Continental Euro politics is a much different game than US politics. A lot of misunderstanding goes back and forth between the two. They are not congruent, and conservative there means something different than it does here. Ditto for liberal.

147 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:44:46pm

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Very much so. Continental Euro politics is a much different game than US politics. A lot of misunderstanding goes back and forth between the two. They are not congruent, and conservative there means something different than it does here. Ditto for liberal.

'xactly

148 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:45:11pm

re: #138 Kenneth

Nah, jack-boots and a bikini doesn't work for me.

Speak for yourself..uh...nothing..
/

149 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:45:30pm

re: #145 callahan23

Are you a citizen there, Callahan? (I know you have roots in South America.)

150 gregb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:45:53pm

Truth, the ultimate defense? :-)

151 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:46:14pm

re: #126 Dianna

Ask reine about that, not me. I spend most of my time trying to keep my hair under control. Otherwise, it starts twining around male shirt buttons on street corners, and otherwise seducing people without my knowledge.

Inadvertent seduction - ahhahahahahahahhahahahahaa

152 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:47:35pm

re: #151 debutaunt

Inadvertent seduction - ahhahahahahahahhahahahahaa

You've never seen my hair!

153 JustABill  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:47:55pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

I think it was somewhere around the time Jew hatred became normal over there(again). I suspect the main reason most people, especially the young, join such movements is so they can say, "Look at me, see how over the top I am"

154 jorline  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:48:14pm

re: #105 HoosierHoops

LOL! Hi Jorline...Hope you are well..
I weigh 5 lbs more from College days..Lean and mean my brother?
Now back to the Bikini..2 piece or one? hehehehe

What ever floats your boat Hoopster.
I'm not looking, I don't care how cute your butt is...lol

155 zeebeach  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:49:19pm

Congratulations, Charles. You've made an important statement with this.

156 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Very much so. Continental Euro politics is a much different game than US politics. A lot of misunderstanding goes back and forth between the two. They are not congruent, and conservative there means something different than it does here. Ditto for liberal.

Have a look at gegenkritik's commentre: #121 gegenkritik

I am no conservative. I think I would be one, if I would live in the USA, where I could have voted for George W. Bush or John McCain and where the whole political standards are completely different (better) than here; where the average citizen is not hostile towards the USA and Israel and where capitalism is not seen as a conspiracy of evil obscurantists.
If at all, I am among these people you can read about here and here.

Excellent point, Ding!
The reason why I want out of Germany.

157 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:52:15pm

re: #142 Honorary Yooper

She may have the looks, but she ain't got nothin' behind those eyes of hers.

Doesn't "a baseball glove" figure in somewhere?

/

158 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:53:02pm

re: #121 gegenkritik

I am no conservative. I think I would be one, if I would live in the USA, where I could have voted for George W. Bush or John McCain and where the whole political standards are completely different (better) than here; where the average citizen is not hostile towards the USA and Israel and where capitalism is not seen as a conspiracy of evil obscurantists.
If at all, I am among these people you can read about here and here.

gegenkritik -

All 'y'all hit the nail on the head regarding the mainstream political parties in Europe. If you can make it to the US and want to live here - Welcome Aboard. As I am sure you are aware, the US has benefited greatly from both Jewish and Gentile German Immigrants. There is a fairly large German Ethnic community in, of all places, Texas - bet you would fit right in. Thank you also for the Gilad Shalit banner on your site. He is a distant cousin and it is good to see him remembered. That is all.

-S-

159 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:53:27pm

re: #154 jorline

What ever floats your boat Hoopster.
I'm not looking, I don't care how cute your butt is...lol

I was joking about Pamela in a bikini...Thought I'd mess with OR..He is a good sport..and so are you...

160 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:53:43pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

Are you a citizen there, Callahan? (I know you have roots in South America.)

Born in South America (Nationality No.1).
Raised and living in Germany (because of German parents: Nationality No.2).
Desperately in need of an exit strategy (i.e. job) to the US.

161 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:53:44pm

Yo yo yo.

162 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:55:03pm

re: #161 Ben Hur

Yo yo yo.

Hey you! Hope today finds you well

163 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:55:36pm

re: #161 Ben Hur

Yo yo yo.

What up?

164 jorline  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:55:58pm

re: #159 HoosierHoops

I was joking about Pamela in a bikini...Thought I'd mess with OR..He is a good sport..and so are you...

Back atcha big guy.

165 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:56:04pm

re: #160 callahan23

Born in South America (Nationality No.1).
Raised and living in Germany (because of German parents: Nationality No.2).
Desperately in need of an exit strategy (i.e. job) to the US.

That explains the Irish name then :-) eh, Senior Callahan or is it Herr Callahan?

166 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:56:32pm

re: #160 callahan23

How did your English get so good?

167 Querent  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:56:47pm

re: #165 Desert Dog

That explains the Irish name then :-) eh, Senior Callahan or is it Herr Callahan?

or Callahan's Cross-Time Saloon?

168 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:56:58pm
169 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #158 Dr. Shalit
Thanks for your nice words. I'll see what the future will bring. But first, in some months, I'll hopefully participate in IDF's Sar-El program.

170 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:57:16pm

re: #165 Desert Dog

That explains the Irish name then :-) eh, Senior Callahan or is it Herr Callahan?

Harry, if you're so inclined. ;-)

171 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:57:29pm

No Regrets: The Best, Worst, & Most #$%*ing Ridiculous Tattoos Ever

172 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:57:53pm

re: #170 callahan23

Harry, if you're so inclined. ;-)

That's dirty. You could be Tommy for all I know

173 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:58:29pm

re: #167 Querent

I always upding science fiction references, even if they're to Spider Robinson.

174 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 12:59:42pm

You rock, Charles!

175 Querent  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:00:14pm

re: #173 Dianna

why thank you!

i didn't realize Robinson was that un-ding-worthy, but then again, i'm so woefully behind on my required reading that i may have to surrender my SF-fan membership card...

176 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:00:27pm

re: #171 HelloDare

No Regrets: The Best, Worst, & Most #$%*ing Ridiculous Tattoos Ever


WINNER:

[Link: www.eatliver.com...]

177 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:00:56pm

In another life, Charles will come back as a proctologist! ;-)

178 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:01:08pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

How did your English get so good?

It is my favorite foreign language. As a fifteen year old did spend the summer in Philly, thereafter made two student exchange programs to GB. As well as a MSc in Newcastle upon Tyne (north east England), the soggy wet part that is.
;-)

179 Querent  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:01:17pm

re: #177 quickjustice

In another life, Charles will come back as a proctologist! ;-)

nnNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo!

180 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:01:26pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

Just chillin, G-had.

181 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:02:20pm
182 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:02:23pm

re: #175 Querent

why thank you!

i didn't realize Robinson was that un-ding-worthy, but then again, i'm so woefully behind on my required reading that i may have to surrender my SF-fan membership card...

No, no!

I'm just not his biggest fan. I used to love him. I still like his essays, but I don't really care for his stories any more.

I don't know if it's because he actually became repetitive, or if I just have read so much that I felt like I knew exactly what was going to happen next. I think - as usual - that the fault's in me.

183 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #165 Desert Dog

That explains the Irish name then :-) eh, Senior Callahan or is it Herr Callahan?

Reminds me of the movie Beat the Devil with Humphrey Bogart & Peter Lori.


PL: "Why do you always laugh when I say my name? O'Hara is a very respectable name."

HB: "Not for a German living in Paraguay..."

PL: "That is beside the point! It is still a very respectable name."

184 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #167 Querent

or Callahan's Cross-Time Saloon?

Don't they have the best matzo ball soup in the universe?

185 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:03:30pm

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

It's a proctical career choice, with many rites of passage.

In the end, it's a hole different career option, with lots of twists and turns. But in it, YOU are the light at the end of the tunnel!

186 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:03:51pm

re: #176 Ben Hur

WINNER:

[Link: www.eatliver.com...]

Nope. This is worse: [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

187 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:04:12pm

Did Spencer ever announce the reason he was not attending the Pro-Koln conference?

188 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:04:40pm

re: #186 HelloDare

Nope. This is worse: [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I have never seen a tattoo so bright.

189 Querent  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:04:48pm

okay, i'm gonna have to bail from these proctology puns -- they're starting to get like arseholes... everybody's got one and they all stink...

190 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:05:09pm

re: #189 Querent

okay, i'm gonna have to bail from these proctology puns -- they're starting to get like arseholes... everybody's got one and they all stink...

Like opinions!

/

191 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:05:25pm

re: #188 OldLineTexan

I have never seen a tattoo so bright.

Magic Marker...nobody is that stupid

192 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

It's a proctical career choice, with many rites of passage.

Now you're making Charles the butt of your jokes?

193 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:06:08pm

A close clinical examination reveal a diseased Koln!

194 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:06:13pm

re: #191 albusteve

Magic Marker...nobody is that stupid

I was thinking half of those are painted on, not tats.

/But some people are that stupid. Köln Nazis come to mind.

195 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:06:43pm

Don't want to sit through an Islamic prayer? CAIR wants you fired.....

CAIR: Fla. GOP Leader Leaves House Floor Before Muslim Prayer


A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy group today said that Rep. Adam Hasner, the head of Florida's House Republicans, left the floor of the legislature just prior to an Islamic prayer opening the session and returned to his seat just after the prayer ended.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) cited the apparent walkout as an additional reason for Hasner to step down from his leadership post.

Yesterday, CAIR called on Republican Party leaders to remove Hasner from his post because he co-hosted a recent event at which the speaker said Islam should not be recognized as a legitimate faith and Muslims should not have religious freedom.

I can understand criticizing the Geert speech but the guy shouldn't have to sit through a prayer if he doesn't want to.

196 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:06:57pm

re: #191 albusteve

Magic Marker...nobody is that stupid

Never underestimate the power of stupid.

197 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:07:02pm

re: #187 jaunte

Did Spencer ever announce the reason he was not attending the Pro-Koln conference?

Because Charles is a Fascist, of course.

/

198 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:07:39pm

re: #197 Kenneth

Koln Cancer!

199 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:07:41pm

Don't these guys know that it's not good to buzz the tower?

200 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:07:48pm
201 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:08:03pm

re: #197 Kenneth

Here I was thinking he was a Guitarist!

202 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:09:25pm

re: #172 ConservatismNow!

That's dirty. You could be Tommy for all I know


My avatar should be a little hint. Just sayin' ;-)

203 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:09:28pm

re: #199 lawhawk

Don't these guys know that it's not good to buzz the tower?


I can't understand why.

I mean, it's uber liberal NY.

All that other stuff was just a dream.......just a dream.....

204 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:09:40pm

this is a guitarist

Youtube Video
205 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:09:48pm

re: #176 Ben Hur

WINNER:

[Link: www.eatliver.com...]

Back in the day, when we had hair down to our shoulders, we referred to ourselves as "freaks" (Let your Freak Flag fly). Obviously that term has ben radically redefined.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:09:51pm

This has been a really fun day off. Lizards, and movies on AMC.

Pillow Talk
Nine to Five
Big

207 jcm  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:09:52pm

Are You Clean Inside?

You need Koln Kleanse!

How Kleansing can help you beat racism, bloviating, the urge to wear fatigues and pasty pale skin problems while gaining more political energy and a avoid inducing nausea.

208 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:10:31pm

re: #205 MacDuff

Back in the day, when we had hair down to our shoulders, we referred to ourselves as "freaks" (Let your Freak Flag fly). Obviously that term has ben radically redefined.


Lay on, Brother.

209 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:11:11pm

re: #207 jcm

Charles already has the patent!

210 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:11:24pm

re: #186 HelloDare

Nope. This is worse: [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

What body part is that?

211 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:11:36pm

re: #208 Ben Hur

Lay on, Brother.

I dig it, man.

212 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:13:12pm

The opening scene in the movie "Ulysses" (novel by James Joyce), depicts an extreme closeup of that part of the anatomy unburdening itself of a large load. It's artsy, very artsy! ;-)

213 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:13:57pm

re: #211 Kenneth

I dig it, man.

Farm out brother..

214 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:13:59pm

re: #207 jcm

Are You Clean Inside?

You need Koln Kleanse!

How Kleansing can help you beat racism, bloviating, the urge to wear fatigues and pasty pale skin problems while gaining more political energy and a avoid inducing nausea.

Koln Blow.

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

215 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #208 Ben Hur

Lay on, Brother.

re: #211 Kenneth

I dig it, man.

It's enough to warm an old fart's heart:)

216 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:15:04pm

re: #210 Alouette

What body part is that?

Whichever you'd like.

217 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:15:43pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

When the presence of all the islamic immigrants couldn't be ignored any longer.

218 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:17:10pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

When the presence of all the islamic immigrants couldn't be ignored any longer.

You mean the peeing on churches went a little over the top[?

219 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:17:22pm

OT

Wow, we don't yet have in place a Surgeon General (Sanjay Gupta dropped out of the running) and Gov. Sibelius-- the Planned Parenthood (TM) legal advocate-- isn't the HHS Secretary yet.

Why wouldn't our government just ask all likely populations most at risk, from what I've heard, teens with symptoms, to contact tax supported Planned Parenthood for Swine Flu treatment, where there are well funded medical people standing by to administer drugs and treatment to teens without parental consent?

220 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:17:57pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

When the presence of all the islamic immigrants couldn't be ignored any longer.

Perhaps it's just their sick way of embracing diversity. We're next on their list.

221 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:18:54pm

OT - Ot - Dustyvet Update.

I'm doing better then I was last night, the family now has the results from Kathy's autopsy. I don't know if you where informed what happened yesterday afternoon. Kathy and her husband had just come home from afternoon church services. Kathy told told Fred, that she just needed to sit down for a bit, and rest, and that she felt very tired. Fred went into the kitchen to start dinner, for Kathy and their foster kids. They have a Sunday night tradition of making cold sandwiches , chips, dip and fruit. They then set up TV trays and watch TV and have dinner.

When Fred went back to the living room, Kathy was sitting in the recliner with her head down on her chest, and appeared to be sleeping. When he tried to wake her, she did not respond. The Paramedics where called, and attempted to revive her. kathy was taken to the hospital, but nothing could be done.

Kathy passed away from a massive heart attack while she slept. The tragic part is that, Kathy had just had her yearly medical exam about three weeks ago. Her GP Doctor had told her that she was in good health, and everything was OK.

The Funeral arrangements are pending. We are also working with the American Red Cross, to bring her son home from Germany on Emergency Leave.

The only other problem I'm having, is that being on a fixed income, I am unable to travel until the 1st when my VA check comes in. Please inform all the Lizards that The family and myself are doing fine, and we are hanging in there. Thanks to all the LGF folks who responded with their kind words.

Dustyvet

I don't know how to do this, so I'll just say it out loud, CAN ANYONE HELP DUSTYVET?

It's evident that even if he gets his check in time to make the funeral, he'll be spending money he doesn't have.

I will be glad to either pass along any info to Dustyvet OR give you his email.

Click on my name and you will see my email address if you need it.

ANYONE?

222 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:19:14pm

re: #220 MacDuff

Perhaps it's just their sick way of embracing diversity. We're next on their list.

who's we?

223 zuckerlilly  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:19:41pm

re: #121 gegenkritik

If at all, I am among these people you can read about here and here.

Are you a member of "Redaktion-Bahamas" or otherwise related to them?

224 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:19:45pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

When the presence of all the islamic immigrants couldn't be ignored any longer.

Sort of analogous to Brando in The Wild One:

"Johnny, What are you rebelling against?"
"Whattaya got?"

225 subsailor68  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:20:03pm

Well, well, isn't this lovely:

Obama promises major investment in science

I am here today to set this goal: we will devote more than 3 percent of our gross domestic product to research and development," Obama said in a speech at the annual meeting of the National Academy of Sciences.

Wow, sounds great, right? I mean, what's another 3 percent of everything we produce - it's for a good cause.

Oops, wait:

he set forth a wish list including solar cells as cheap as paint; green buildings that produce all the energy they consume; learning software as effective as a personal tutor; prosthetics so advanced that you could play the piano again and "an expansion of the frontiers of human knowledge about ourselves and world the around us.'

This is like a child's Christmas list. How about setting aside childish things? If you want to invest in science, what about nuclear power?

226 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:20:43pm

Charles - 4k78, who posted this gem of wisdom, is a troll from 'a certain cesspite site'.

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:20:47pm

re: #205 MacDuff

Back in the day, when we had hair down to our shoulders, we referred to ourselves as "freaks" (Let your Freak Flag fly). Obviously that term has ben radically redefined.

The Freaker's Ball!

228 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:21:01pm

re: #222 albusteve

who's we?

Whoever you are.

229 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:21:48pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

I deeply regret that I can't help. I'm literally down to my last 36 bucks.

230 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:23:18pm

re: #226 Jimmah

Charles - 4k78, who posted this gem of wisdom, is a troll from 'a certain cesspite site'.

That troll wouldn't be from the counterfeit site now, would it? I think I've seen it before.

231 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:23:40pm

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

It's a proctical career choice, with many rites of passage.

But Charles has never, nor would he or could he ever make an ass of himself!

OTOH? He has had to deal with so many pains in the tush that he has an advanced degree in the subject.

232 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:11pm

re: #210 Alouette

What body part is that?

Calf?

233 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:13pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Walter..Where does Dusty need to fly too? I have frequent flyer miles on Frontier airlines..
My nic is blue

234 KenJen  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:15pm

re: #225 subsailor68

Well, well, isn't this lovely:

Obama promises major investment in science

I am here today to set this goal: we will devote more than 3 percent of our gross domestic product to research and development," Obama said in a speech at the annual meeting of the National Academy of Sciences.

Wow, sounds great, right? I mean, what's another 3 percent of everything we produce - it's for a good cause.

Oops, wait:

he set forth a wish list including solar cells as cheap as paint; green buildings that produce all the energy they consume; learning software as effective as a personal tutor; prosthetics so advanced that you could play the piano again and "an expansion of the frontiers of human knowledge about ourselves and world the around us.'

This is like a child's Christmas list. How about setting aside childish things? If you want to invest in science, what about nuclear power?

Bingo! Play the piano again? I never started. Learning software as effective as a personal tutor? Does any of this make sense?

235 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:22pm

Un-fricken believeable! What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

236 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:29pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

he needs money upfront fast...if someone can step up, I'd be glad to pitch in after the fact to cover it

237 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:41pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

What can we do to help? How is Dusty getting to the funeral, if at all?

238 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:24:55pm

re: #229 Dianna

Sadly I can't chip in anything either. I'm close to dropping my health insurance because I can't afford the payments. Times are really tough.

239 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:25:00pm

Just spent the last hour going over a server, checking various setting as to why something wasn't working, when the operator, who when asked before said everything was correct, chimed in, "Hey, I think we did use the wrong user account. Oops."

People will die.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #219 alegrias

OT

Wow, we don't yet have in place a Surgeon General (Sanjay Gupta dropped out of the running) and Gov. Sibelius-- the Planned Parenthood (TM) legal advocate-- isn't the HHS Secretary yet.

Why wouldn't our government just ask all likely populations most at risk, from what I've heard, teens with symptoms, to contact tax supported Planned Parenthood for Swine Flu treatment, where there are well funded medical people standing by to administer drugs and treatment to teens without parental consent?

Because to libtards, birth control is good; vaccines are bad.

241 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:25:10pm
242 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:26:02pm

re: #229 Dianna

I deeply regret that I can't help. I'm literally down to my last 36 bucks.

I know that there are probably a good number of us that can't afford to flip for a plane ticket. But, possibly, some Lizard has the means, and it never hurts to try.

And we probably don't have the time to accept dribs and drabs of donations, that's why I simply asked for anyone who could spring for a ticket.

Even I could chip in something if we had time to take up a collection, but I don't think we do.

Let's see what happens.

243 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:26:22pm

re: #235 Kenneth

link... [Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]

244 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:26:53pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

By myself, I'd be fine. But I know way too many people who need help.

245 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #224 jaunte

Being ethnic nationalists- they tend to be rather xenophobic. At least the Jews of europe assimilated. But I agree with a few of the others who responded to Kenneth- especially the part about the warped thinking that Israel justifies their ideology because they see it as a fascist, ethnic state.

246 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:27:12pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Oh, nevermind my e-mail then, and please pardon my misunderstanding!

247 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:27:20pm

re: #225 subsailor68

Well, well, isn't this lovely:

Obama promises major investment in science

I am here today to set this goal: we will devote more than 3 percent of our gross domestic product to research and development," Obama said in a speech at the annual meeting of the National Academy of Sciences.

Wow, sounds great, right? I mean, what's another 3 percent of everything we produce - it's for a good cause.

Oops, wait:

he set forth a wish list including solar cells as cheap as paint; green buildings that produce all the energy they consume; learning software as effective as a personal tutor; prosthetics so advanced that you could play the piano again and "an expansion of the frontiers of human knowledge about ourselves and world the around us.'

This is like a child's Christmas list. How about setting aside childish things? If you want to invest in science, what about nuclear power?

Probably going to try and have himself cloned.

248 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:27:30pm

re: #235 Kenneth

Un-fricken believeable! What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

I get the crossing guard Gorn when I click on that.

249 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #230 Honorary Yooper

That troll wouldn't be from the counterfeit site now, would it? I think I've seen it before.

Yep, that's the one.

250 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:28:33pm

re: Jimma Carter's op-ed... I own a few guns but am not an expert on the laws. Uzi's? Full-auto AK-47's? Those have been illegal for 100 years, right?

251 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:28:36pm

re: #234 KenJen

Does any of this make sense?


Yes I think it's a good move. Science R and D is very important and will help to create well paying jobs. It's also a good investment in our future. Although alternative energy breakthroughs are unlikely anytime soon we need to stop funding the oil ticks as soon as possible.

252 Kenneth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:28:40pm

re: #248 Honorary Yooper

I re-posted the correct link. I was rattled and messed up the cut & paste process.

253 KenJen  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:28:45pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

I never hurts to try Walter. You are a good guy. There has to be a wealthy Lizard out there who will help. I would not hesitate if I had any extra cash.

254 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:28:55pm

re: #223 zuckerlilly
I know some of them, but I am not a member.

255 Buck  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:29:49pm

re: #235 Kenneth

Un-fricken believeable! What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

Ban webcams?

256 MacDuff  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Walter, check your email. I may be able to help.

257 NY Nana  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #247 HelloDare

Probably going to try and have himself cloned.

/Can a Manchurian Candidate be cloned?

258 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:33:11pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Yes I think it's a good move. Science R and D is very important and will help to create well paying jobs. It's also a good investment in our future. Although alternative energy breakthroughs are unlikely anytime soon we need to stop funding the oil ticks as soon as possible.

The problem is that I doubt the administration is going to fund the basic science needed for the breakthroughs he wants, even if they are possible. He'll find companies taking money for development, based on how well they write proposals that match the administration image, and miss the science that will give more benefit.

Peer review is the best we have, even if it isn't perfect; directed government funding isn't always that good.

259 subsailor68  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:33:45pm

Must run. I hope everyone here has a terrific evening!

BTW, Walter, you are one of the good guys. Like many others, I'm not in the position right now to fund the trip, but I will keep dusty in my prayers.

260 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:34:04pm

re: #250 Spenser (with an S)

re: Jimma Carter's op-ed... I own a few guns but am not an expert on the laws. Uzi's? Full-auto AK-47's? Those have been illegal for 100 years, right?

Full-auto weapons have been highly restricted since the GCA of 1968. There have been additional (legal) supply problems created by later laws. At a minimum, you need a Federal Class III license and (in Texas, anyway), the PERMISSION of the local head LEO.

Jimmy Carter is part of the Clinton/Sugarmann Lying Bastards Brigade.

261 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:34:34pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Yes I think it's a good move. Science R and D is very important and will help to create well paying jobs. It's also a good investment in our future. Although alternative energy breakthroughs are unlikely anytime soon we need to stop funding the oil ticks as soon as possible.

we could do that anytime without a federal mandate....what's the hold up?

262 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:35:03pm

re: #258 Kosh's Shadow

The problem is that I doubt the administration is going to fund the basic science needed for the breakthroughs he wants, even if they are possible. He'll find companies taking money for development, based on how well they write proposals that match the administration image, and miss the science that will give more benefit.

Peer review is the best we have, even if it isn't perfect; directed government funding isn't always that good.

Nuke power plants are already "broken through". Even the FWENCH have them.

263 KenJen  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:35:26pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

I agree on funding for R and D. The wording and comparisons are a little goofy. Solar cells cheap as paint and prosthetics to play the piano again.

264 SummerSong  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:36:20pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Email sent to you.

Thanks

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:36:51pm

OT - OT - OT

Ok, thanks for the emails I just got from some Lizards. I have emailed you back with Dustyvet's email address. That is my only means of contact, although I think he does have a phone and I included the state that he lives in so you may be able to look up his phone number, if it is listed.

See my re: #221 Walter L. Newton

...for more information on Dustyvet.

And if you can help, email me (click on my name).

266 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:38:31pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

OT - OT - OT

Ok, thanks for the emails I just got from some Lizards. I have emailed you back with Dustyvet's email address. That is my only means of contact, although I think he does have a phone and I included the state that he lives in so you may be able to look up his phone number, if it is listed.

See my

...for more information on Dustyvet.

And if you can help, email me (click on my name).

need an account number and a routing number...problem solved...I'l send him money in the next nine minutesty

267 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:39:12pm

re: #266 albusteve

if you can read that

268 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Yes I think it's a good move. Science R and D is very important and will help to create well paying jobs. It's also a good investment in our future. Although alternative energy breakthroughs are unlikely anytime soon we need to stop funding the oil ticks as soon as possible.

* * * *
Just hire French nuclear power engineers to teach the USA how to produce 80% of our power as the groovy French already do, in nuclear power plants.

Why should we be second to France in power production?

Or won't liberals be happy until no one in America has electrical power to do anything productive, like cooking, cleaning, manufacturing, living, working, running medical equipment, surfing the web, making music, inventing, creating, learning?

269 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:41:44pm

re: #266 albusteve

need an account number and a routing number...problem solved...I'l send him money in the next nine minutesty

Well, you need to email me so I can forward you HIS email and you can ask him if he wants to give you that info.

270 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:43:31pm

re: #268 alegrias

* * * *
Just hire French nuclear power engineers to teach the USA how to produce 80% of our power as the groovy French already do, in nuclear power plants.

Why should we be second to France in power production?

Or won't liberals be happy until no one in America has electrical power to do anything productive, like cooking, cleaning, manufacturing, living, working, running medical equipment, surfing the web, making music, inventing, creating, learning?

And while we are at it, let's have them show us how to put trains on existing tracks that move at 160-80 miles per hour.

France did high-speed by using most of the existing infastructure. It works fine, I've ridden on them.

271 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:45:06pm

re: #268 alegrias

* * * *
Just hire French nuclear power engineers to teach the USA how to produce 80% of our power as the groovy French already do, in nuclear power plants.

Why should we be second to France in power production?

Or won't liberals be happy until no one in America has electrical power to do anything productive, like cooking, cleaning, manufacturing, living, working, running medical equipment, surfing the web, making music, inventing, creating, learning?

the feds financing R/D is a joke and not needed...it's a political scam just like preventing us from retrieving our own oil or going nuke....what bullshit and I'm surprised anyone would fall for such a ridiculous ripoff of taxpayer money

272 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:45:43pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

OT - OT - OT

Ok, thanks for the emails I just got from some Lizards. I have emailed you back with Dustyvet's email address. That is my only means of contact, although I think he does have a phone and I included the state that he lives in so you may be able to look up his phone number, if it is listed.

See my

...for more information on Dustyvet.

And if you can help, email me (click on my name).

I emailed him Walter..I can fly him there and back..
The pain he is feeling must be overwhelming..Bless him..

273 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:47:23pm
274 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:48:23pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops

I emailed him Walter..I can fly him there and back..
The pain he is feeling must be overwhelming..Bless him..

Let's see what happens. I got a number of emails from Lizards and sent on Dustyvet's email to them, the touchy part is if he sees them in time to answer them or correspond with the Lizards.

Let's hope.

275 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:48:28pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops

I emailed him Walter..I can fly him there and back..
The pain he is feeling must be overwhelming..Bless him..

good for you...I'll help you get it back

276 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:48:44pm

re: #225 subsailor68

Well, well, isn't this lovely:

Obama promises major investment in science

I am here today to set this goal: we will devote more than 3 percent of our gross domestic product to research and development," Obama said in a speech at the annual meeting of the National Academy of Sciences.

Wow, sounds great, right? I mean, what's another 3 percent of everything we produce - it's for a good cause.

Oops, wait:

he set forth a wish list including solar cells as cheap as paint; green buildings that produce all the energy they consume; learning software as effective as a personal tutor; prosthetics so advanced that you could play the piano again and "an expansion of the frontiers of human knowledge about ourselves and world the around us.'

This is like a child's Christmas list. How about setting aside childish things? If you want to invest in science, what about nuclear power?

He has already spent all of the GDP from last year, so he can wish all he wants.

277 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:49:20pm

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

Wrong question.

They never stopped hating Jews, just pretended to. It's a tactic.

And they've been hatin' on immigrants, especially Muslims, ever since the first Gastarbeiter ("guest worker") arrived at the invitation of the (West) German government in the 1950s to meet a critical labor shortage.

Die ersten Gastarbeiter, die in dieser Zeit angeworben wurden, kamen aus Italien, Spanien, Jugoslawien, in geringerer Zahl auch aus Griechenland (sog. Anwerbestaaten). Ab 1960 kamen auch Gastarbeiter aus der Türkei und Portugal. 1964 wurde in der Bundesrepublik der offiziell einmillionste Gastarbeiter, ein Portugiese, begrüßt. Er bekam zur Begrüßung ein Moped geschenkt. Zu den Anwerbeländern kamen auch Tunesien, Marokko und Südkorea, mit den Philippinen wurden Anwerbeverträge für Krankenpflegepersonal geschlossen. Schließlich gab es 1971 auch einen Anwerbevertrag mit England. Im September 1971 waren damit über zehn Prozent der in der BRD beschäftigten Arbeitnehmer Gastarbeiter.

The first guest workers to be recruited in this period came from Italy, Spain, Yugoslavia, and to a lesser extent also from Greece (so-called recruitment countries). From 1960 guest workers also came from Turkey and Portugal. In 1964 the Federal Republic welcomed the one-millionth guest worker, a Portuguese man. He received a moped as a welcome gift. The recruitment countries were joined by Tunisia, Morocco and South Korea, while recruitment contracts for health care workers were made with the Philippines. Lastly there was a recruitment contract with England in 1971. In September 1971, as a result, more than ten percent of the people employed in the FRG were guest workers.

I was one of them.

The guest worker program was fraught with contradictions from the start. Maybe the German politicos were expecting a blond and blue-eyed baby boom that would eliminate the need for foreigners, maybe they thought the wall would come down in a few years and they'd be flooded with "real Germans" from the east. It never happened. Instead, "guests" became permanent residents, married, brought family from abroad, had children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, all without ever receiving citizenship. In Germany you are not automatically a citizen just because you're born on German soil. Look up the difference between jus sanguinis and jus natalis. France and America have the latter, Germany the former.

So the fantasy was that you could bring people in, use their labor, and not owe them anything but a paycheck. That's not how life works.

The unregenerate Nazis and their successors used the presence of these Fremdarbeiter (their word for "guest worker" - fremd meaning foreign, but also literally strange) for their own purposes from the beginning. I lived in Germany for ten years and saw the results firsthand. At the time it was nothing to do with Islam, except as an added dose of "strangeness". It was pure xenophobia. In my town, a young man accused of shoplifting was strangled to death in broad daylight by a shop attendant. The DA declined to prosecute. At the demonstration I attended, an incensed German lady of the middlebrow sort yelled at me that the whole thing had been "just a mishap" (bloß a Malöhr).

Now that the problem has become militant Islam, the same old haters are using that to preach the same old genocidal Rassenhass (race hatred). Yes, it's racism, with a veneer of opposing jihad. There's no getting away from it.

This is the dilemma: How to fight militant jihadists without becoming their mirror image. Some people care about that. Others don't. For them, the end justifies all means, even if (especially when) they deny it. Just look at their associates (kedja.net) to see through the mask.

278 SummerSong  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:49:22pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops

Very generous of you. What a wonderful thing for you to do.

279 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:51:17pm

re: #275 albusteve

good for you...I'll help you get it back

Not to worry bro..We are from California with 5 kids..I have plenty of frequent flyer miles../Dang kids always want to see grandma's and grandpa's...
Hope you are well today steve

280 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:52:23pm

re: #273 albusteve

I sent you an email. Do I have to report you to Charles for posting your email address?

:) :)

281 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:52:38pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

Not to worry bro..We are from California with 5 kids..I have plenty of frequent flyer miles../Dang kids always want to see grandma's and grandpa's...
Hope you are well today steve

I am...still, my offer stands...you should be reimbursed, not to be argumentative

282 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:53:16pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

I sent you an email. Do I have to report you to Charles for posting your email address?

:) :)

I'm just an addy whore...sock it to me

283 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #281 albusteve

I am...still, my offer stands...you should be reimbursed, not to be argumentative

We went to a monster party sat. night in the country..Had some blues band playing..We stayed up all night..It was a wonderful time..
/OK sunday wasn't that much fun..

284 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:55:12pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

I sent you an email. Do I have to report you to Charles for posting your email address?

:) :)

expect a 3am call....


jus kidding

285 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:57:10pm

Charles...feel free to delete #273...I broke the rule

286 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:58:02pm

re: #262 OldLineTexan

Nuke power plants are already "broken through". Even the FWENCH have them.

Yes, and there are designs for safe ones, but no company will invest in them without government support. There, the money is needed to stop stupid lawsuits, not for development. Companies will invest money in advanced nuclear plants if they think they can make money on them.

And the same goes for all the other technologies the 0 wants.
Solar cells? There are companies working on making them cheap. But make sure the envirowackos can't block solar farms. If it is possible to make cheap solar cells, they'll get made, and probably better and cheaper by companies competing than from a government directed project.

287 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:58:33pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops

I emailed him Walter..I can fly him there and back..
The pain he is feeling must be overwhelming..Bless him..

If a small donation will help, let me know.

288 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 1:58:37pm

re: #285 albusteve

Charles...feel free to delete #273...I broke the rule

But for a damn good cause...

289 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:00:14pm

re: #283 HoosierHoops

We went to a monster party sat. night in the country..Had some blues band playing..We stayed up all night..It was a wonderful time..
/OK sunday wasn't that much fun..

Sat night I went across next door for a wild Hispanic birthday ho down....100 people, all kinds of food and drink and music...hot rods and choppers and lots of kids and Elders all whooping it up and dancing....does not get any better than that in ABQ

290 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:01:24pm

re: #289 albusteve

Sat night I went across next door for a wild Hispanic birthday ho down....100 people, all kinds of food and drink and music...hot rods and choppers and lots of kids and Elders all whooping it up and dancing....does not get any better than that in ABQ

Tell me. My last ex-wife was Hispanic. Over 500 people at our wedding reception. 12 piece band.

291 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

Tell me. My last ex-wife was Hispanic. Over 500 people at our wedding reception. 12 piece band.

that's alot of gifts.......eh?
12 pc band sounds pretty cool

292 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #289 albusteve

Sat night I went across next door for a wild Hispanic birthday ho down....100 people, all kinds of food and drink and music...hot rods and choppers and lots of kids and Elders all whooping it up and dancing....does not get any better than that in ABQ

This dude had a 1956 pink Cadillac there..He tossed me the keys and let me drive it..And Honest to god he tossed me an Elvis Wig and told me I had to drive it with the wig on...So I did...

293 irongrampa  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:17:13pm

re: #289 albusteve

For my money, nothing beats surviving a Polish wedding.

294 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:19:44pm

re: #277 Cato the Elder

P.S. I nearly got myself killed one time at a village Kneipe (pub) when one of the local oafs made a joke about dead Jews. I wigged. Tore open my sleeve and said I knew people who had the tattoo right there, and would he like to take it outside. Big, meaty guy. He looked really surprised, like someone was going apeshit over a witticism he made every day.

The pub owner threw me out. My friends hustled me home. Just another day in the Dorf.

Another time I and a friend were encircled by neo-Nazis in a pub near Lübeck (Thomas Mann's home town). They thought he was gay and I was a Turk. They pinned us in by sitting at the ends of the booth we were in and got very aggressive. We talked our way out of the pub and then nearly got whacked when they followed us and harried us on mopeds. There was not a soul around. No one at the pub did a thing to help us. Just another day...

Germany has a huge problem.

295 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:23:02pm

re: #294 Cato the Elder

P.P.S. That particular friend lost a brother and an eye to a Palestinian bus-bomb attack in the eighties in Jerusalem. Then he nearly gets murdered by neo-Nazis in northern Germany.

These are the people that the anti-jihadists don't want to see too closely lest it take away from their numbers.

296 MPH  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:34:04pm

re: #277 Cato the Elder

Ha!

297 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:39:41pm

re: #294 Cato the Elder
That's horrible. I know similar stories from friends.
Especially shortly after reunification, there was a huge breakout of violence against foreigners and generally persons who were considered to be undeutsch.
By now, the situation is different: while Nazis in former West Germany are not a real problem, Nazi-violence is virulent at villages and rural areas in former Eastern Germany. There are some areas where I would disadvise any person to go, who is an identifiable target for Nazis.

298 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:40:58pm

re: #296 MPH

Ha!

Well damn my PIMFing fingers!

Should be [Link: www.kejda.net....]

Specifically, this.

299 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:45:36pm

re: #297 gegenkritik

That's horrible. I know similar stories from friends.
Especially shortly after reunification, there was a huge breakout of violence against foreigners and generally persons who were considered to be undeutsch.
By now, the situation is different: while Nazis in former West Germany are not a real problem, Nazi-violence is virulent at villages and rural areas in former Eastern Germany. There are some areas where I would disadvise any person to go, who is an identifiable target for Nazis.

I've heard that. It's a sad development. So much for the official "anti-fascist" line of the SED.

But somehow I suspect those BRD guys in the Kneipen are still there, too. They weren't going around self-identifying as Nazis, they just took the opportunity when they saw it to express how they really felt. I imagine there's much more of that than the MSM lets on.

300 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:49:04pm

re: #299 Cato the Elder

Correction: The second set did claim to be Braune.

I met many people in my pub-crawling days who, after the fifth schnapps, or the first fifth, would start to let it all hang out. Nothing worse than a weepy, drunken Unbelehrbarer going all confessional on you when you're just trying to get a nice buzz on.

301 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:52:05pm

re: #300 Cato the Elder
Maybe, but generally, its a lot safer in big cities in former West Germany than in rural areas in East Germany.

302 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:03:38pm

re: #301 gegenkritik

Maybe, but generally, its a lot safer in big cities in former West Germany than in rural areas in East Germany.

No doubt...

303 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:40pm

re: #297 gegenkritik

The West Germans did a reasonably good job of cleaning out their Nazis. The communists in East Germany denied that Nazis existed in that part of the country, and made no effort to clean them out.

304 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:20:57pm

re: #303 quickjustice

The West Germans did a reasonably good job of cleaning out their Nazis. The communists in East Germany denied that Nazis existed in that part of the country, and made no effort to clean them out.

Yes, but: "reasonably good" and "good" are two very different things. A lot of really bad people slipped through the cracks, or were covered up for. One of the reasons the antifa gained so much ground is the amount of fa that was still coursing through the veins of the West.

305 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:57:10pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Walter ... I sent you an email ...

306 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:17:18pm
307 Sacred Plants  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 7:18:24am

It is a pity that the (position of the) biggest political blog in Germany could be hijacked by a bunch of Nazi enabling entrists using the threat of Islamic jihad as rhetorical box cutters. Just imagine how horrible the reprecussions of a real terror attack would have been with these people representing the inner core of political cohesion in that country. It´s so unbelievable one might think it´s Bush Derangement Syndrome played backwards.

The question remains whether a blog of that size ("PI" attracts 35.000 visitors a day in a language with 105.000.000 native speakers) can be successfully defended against entryism without the lizard system. Although the facade of PI reminds a bit of LGF behind the hood there is just a WordPress engine. Every comment (maybe except those of privileged regulars) has to be counterchecked before it is posted. Counterchecking will take different amounts of time for different comments, making it impossible to have a debate unfold in real time. When a comment is deleted, no traces do remain. All the counterchecking is an awful lot of work extremely attractive for entrists to apply for. Once your blog grows big enough it only can be run with the help of a "Council of Guardians." That´s the architecture of a Trojan Horse. In the attempt to imagine how successful LGF would have been with that technology, the deceased "Lizard Lounge" comes to mind.

On the other hand, entrists only enter what the believe they could successfully turn around. Will "Politically Incorrect" in the future be factually correct about who is a Nazi and who is an Anti-Nazi? That´s the benchmark.


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