The Beam in Joshua Trevino’s Eye

In some more fallout from Dave Weigel’s article for the Washington Independent, Joshua Treviño posted a cheap shot at me a few days ago, in an article titled: A responsible anti-jihadism?

Charles Johnson’s disenchantment with a movement he did much to create is more likely a function of his contrary nature than his active conscience, but it would be ungracious to pry overmuch.

Apparently Treviño doesn’t think it’s “ungracious” to imply that I don’t have an “active conscience.”

But the rather amazing thing about Treviño’s lecture on “responsible anti-jihadism” is that this is a guy who is a contributor at Brussels Journal, whose last article was posted there earlier this month.

Brussels Journal, of course, is owned and operated by Paul Belien, whose wife, Dr. Alexandra Colen, is a member of the Belgian Federal Parliament, representing the neofascist party Vlaams Belang.

And the Brussels Journal website is a cesspool of bigotry, extremism, and hatred, featuring articles advocating tribal nationalism and white separatism, supporting French Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen, and promoting Jewish conspiracy theories from antisemitic websites.

The owner, Paul Belien, responded to criticism from LGF and author Bruce Bawer (who’s gay) by posting a hateful homophobic screed featuring a picture of bondage gear-wearing homosexual men kissing, titled “Is This What It Is All About?”

For a long time, they were running an advertisement from a BNP-linked British web forum, with racist posts so ugly they would curl your teeth.

Brussels Journal is still advertising that they’re a member of the OpinionJournal Federation, even though they’ve been removed from that web page.

So I have to ask: how active is your conscience, Josh?

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555 comments

1 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:08:37pm

Its gonna take a tow truck to pull that beam out.

2 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:09:38pm

Perhaps he has a contrary nature, or is that ungracious to suggest?

3 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:01pm

We can probably round up a skidder from a logging operation to pull that tree out of this dudes eye.

4 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:12:09pm

Typical modern tactic: Instead of admitting you were wrong, attack the person who pointed out the error. That puts Trevino in the same company as Robert Spencer, and Pam Geller.

5 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:12:10pm

trevino also wrote a lovely anti-Kosovo piece.

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

/hat tip: Jimmah

6 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:14:55pm

Disenchanted? Quite on the contrary, Mr. Trevino. Mr. Johnson is fighting as strongly as he ever has. The ends don't justify your means.

7 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:44pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

trevino also wrote a lovely anti-Kosovo piece.

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

/hat tip: Jimmah

White-washing ethnic cleansing: lovely. At the rate Trevino is going, I expect him start denying the Holocaust next year.

/not kidding

8 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:19:48pm
Charles Johnson’s disenchantment with a movement he did much to create is more likely a function of his contrary nature than his active conscience, but it would be ungracious to pry overmuch.

Ew. This guy just reeks of smarm. I get the willies just reading that.

So ... rejecting white supremacists and nazis is contrary rather than conscientious? Nice ideology he's got there.//

9 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:20:02pm

Here is the constellation of which Trevino seeks to be a star:

Today, a conclave took place at the Stanley, Virginia, home of Brent Bozell III. Conservative movement luminaries of all sorts gathered. “[The American Spectator] Publisher Al Regnery and editor in chief R. Emmett Tyrrell were on hand,” wrote Philip Klein. “Morton Blackwell of the Leadership Institute, Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, Leonard Leo of the Federalist Society, pollster Kellyanne Conway, and direct mail guru Richard Viguerie were among those present.” Indeed, it would be difficult to assemble a more powerful group of movement-conservative leaders. They spoke amongst themselves, and agreed upon a statement of principles, and a course of action.

Norquist, Regnery, and Tyrell. A finer bunch of obscurantists and dinosaurs one could not hope to find...

10 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:20:11pm

How odd. Both articles seemed kind of pointless.

11 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:21:29pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Typical modern tactic: Instead of admitting you were wrong, attack the person who pointed out the error. That puts Trevino in the same company as Robert Spencer, and Pam Geller.

And many of the people in Washington DC.

12 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:02pm

"And the Brussels Journal website is a cesspool of bigotry, extremism, and hatred, featuring articles advocating tribal nationalism and white separatism, supporting French Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen, and promoting Jewish conspiracy theories from antisemitic websites."

All of this and extreme homophobia and the man is worried about being seen as "ungracious"? Really? It's kinda like Shrek wanting a pedicure.

13 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:28pm

This appears to be the same guy, a quick scurry through this feed is revealing

[Link: friendfeed.com...]

14 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:30pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

How odd. Both articles seemed kind of pointless.

It's true. He takes a pot shat at Charles, but then basically agrees with him, while just last year he promoted anti-Kosovar rhetoric. And he wants to talk about a contrary nature?! I think it's called "projection".

15 unpaidbills  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:42pm

I think that what Charle's is getting at and what attracted me to this site is how the "anti jihadist" movement has been over hijacked by the far right and white supremacists.
And yes that BNP forum is anything but the public face of the BNP. Their support for Israel is akin to a wolf in sheep's clothing.

16 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:23:22pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

It's true. He takes a pot shat at Charles, but then basically agrees with him, while just last year he promoted anti-Kosovar rhetoric. And he wants to talk about a contrary nature?! I think it's called "projection".

It's the cognitive dissonance of a Paleo trying to appear moderate.

17 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:23:50pm

I'm guessing maybe they both Paulian/Buchananite isolationist types.

18 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:24:07pm

re: #13 Thanos

This appears to be the same guy, a quick scurry through this feed is revealing

[Link: friendfeed.com...]

Is he perhaps Eastern Orthodox? Might explain the pro-serbian stance.

19 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:24:20pm

Im out, night all.

20 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:25:05pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

He appears friendly to Putin's Russia, links to Nazi propaganda... check out the feed above, it's revealing.

21 MJ  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:25:08pm

He doesn't have much trouble in defending Mike Huckabee:

The intent is to make support for Mike Huckabee akin to support for Ron Paul: a mark of absurdism, extremism, or both. But unlike the motley collection of armchair theorists, fervent undergraduates and alienated nostalgists who make up the Paul base, the men and women propelling Huckabee to front-runner status aren’t a cranky fringe. They’re the churchgoers, parents, local activists, and cultural conservatives who have kept the Republican party nationally competitive for the past thirty years. They’re us and ours. They’re the base. In the end, the ones tearing apart the Republican coalition aren’t them — but the elites who deride them for daring to vote their values.

[Link: joshuatrevino.com...]

OK Josh. We understand where you're coming from.

22 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:25:19pm

nite nite dez.

23 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:25:37pm

Thanos, I don't understand paleoconservatives backing Russia.
I don't doubt it, it just seems so odd.

24 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:26:39pm

OT--
I just realized why the whole low-flying jet w/ F-16's over NYC is kinda funny.

The White House had its "WKRP/Arthur Carlson" moment. This idea was right up there with throwing turkeys out of a helicopter.

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

25 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:27:39pm

re: #15 unpaidbills

I think that what Charle's is getting at and what attracted me to this site is how the "anti jihadist" movement has been over hijacked by the far right and white supremacists.
And yes that BNP forum is anything but the public face of the BNP. Their support for Israel is akin to a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I like you already, UPB. You're right of course. The BNP's support of Israel is simply intended to attract repectable conservatives to an organization they would normally avoid. The BNP forum shows them as they really are. Think of it as Dorian Gray's picture: The BNP's public face looks fresh and clean, while the hidden truth grows ever-uglier.

26 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:27:40pm

re: #20 Thanos

He appears friendly to Putin's Russia, links to Nazi propaganda... check out the feed above, it's revealing.

This LGF thread is already there!

27 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:27:51pm

At this juncture I think it is very important for us to choose our words carefully.

“Crypto-Nazis” really isn't a term that we should call these unwitting endorsers of European fascists. They are having a hard time dealing with their associations and can't explain themselves. They feel trapped such that they end up “acting out” by turning on Charles.

It is a form of projection and rationalization.

So let's all try to be understanding of the situation.

Let's take a collective deep breath.

Let's choose better, more thoughtful, more understanding words

Let's call them “Crypto- Douchebags” instead.

28 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:28:27pm

re: #24 calcajun

OT--
I just realized why the whole low-flying jet w/ F-16's over NYC is kinda funny.

The White House had its "WKRP/Arthur Carlson" moment. This idea was right up there with throwing turkeys out of a helicopter.

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

Call me crazy..If I'm living in NYC and see F15's overhead..I'm feeling pretty good

29 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:28:55pm

re: #24 calcajun

OT--
I just realized why the whole low-flying jet w/ F-16's over NYC is kinda funny.

The White House had its "WKRP/Arthur Carlson" moment. This idea was right up there with throwing turkeys out of a helicopter.

It defines the term "tone deaf."

30 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:29:07pm

re: #23 Jim in Virginia
What is a paleo conservative?
what is a neo conservative?
I'm a RWR/Goldwater small govt, nat'l defense, whack taxes conservative.

31 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:00pm

re: #28 HoosierHoops

The fighters were OK. It's the low-flying commercial jets that put folks on edge. A lot of people freaked.

Of course, BHO might liken himself to Orson Welles now.

32 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:10pm

More insight into Joshua Trevino's attitudes can be found in this thread, when he was posting at LGF under the name "Tacitus"...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

33 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:13pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I'm guessing maybe they both Paulian/Buchananite isolationist types.

I was going to say a robert spencer type- trying to have it both ways.

34 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:30pm

re: #28 HoosierHoops

Watching 'em from a distance is great, but seeing them coming down the Hudson and circling the Statue of Liberty when you don't expect them, and you get the jitters because it's something you aren't expecting.

35 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:52pm

re: #13 Thanos

This appears to be the same guy, a quick scurry through this feed is revealing

[Link: friendfeed.com...]

So not only did he write in Jindal's name, but he agrees with Huckabee in this much - 'The greatest threat to classic Republicanism is not liberalism; it's this new brand of libertarianism, which is social liberalism and economic conservatism, but it's a heartless, callous, soulless type of economic conservatism'

36 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:58pm

re: #27 karmic_inquisitor

At this juncture I think it is very important for us to choose our words carefully.

“Crypto-Nazis” really isn't a term that we should call these unwitting endorsers of European fascists. They are having a hard time dealing with their associations and can't explain themselves. They feel trapped such that they end up “acting out” by turning on Charles.

It is a form of projection and rationalization.

So let's all try to be understanding of the situation.

Let's take a collective deep breath.

Let's choose better, more thoughtful, more understanding words

Let's call them “Crypto- Douchebags” instead.


We need to understad the root causes of why they hate Charles.

37 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:31:34pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Perhaps he has a contrary nature, or is that ungracious to suggest?

...not that there's anything wrong with that.

/Seinfeld

38 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #31 calcajun

Ah, but here's the kicker of the whole thing. The WH said that they were updating the file photos of AF1 at national landmarks.

Tell me what's changed at those landmarks that they needed updating?

39 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:32:10pm

re: #9 Zimriel

Here is the constellation of which Trevino seeks to be a star:

Norquist, Regnery, and Tyrell. A finer bunch of obscurantists and dinosaurs one could not hope to find...

* * * *
Didn't Regnery publish the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" book about Kerry?
THAT took guts.

40 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:32:31pm

Trevino is a moron.

He takes umbrage at the idea that we at war with Islamists. He thinks the term 'war' is unhelpful.

The fact is Islamists declared war upon us decades ago.

You can rename terror, too. Doesn't change a damn thing.

41 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:32:59pm

re: #38 lawhawk

I dunno.

42 brookly red  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:33:29pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Ah, but here's the kicker of the whole thing. The WH said that they were updating the file photos of AF1 at national landmarks.

Tell me what's changed at those landmarks that they needed updating?

/The NYC skyline as seen from the Statue of Liberty?

43 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:33:38pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Ah, but here's the kicker of the whole thing. The WH said that they were updating the file photos of AF1 at national landmarks.

Tell me what's changed at those landmarks that they needed updating?

Has lie-reek all over it.

44 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:34:32pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Watching 'em from a distance is great, but seeing them coming down the Hudson and circling the Statue of Liberty when you don't expect them, and you get the jitters because it's something you aren't expecting.

Sorry the Gov't failed so badly in communicating what was happening.
They should be held accountable

45 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:34:41pm

re: #36 Jim in Virginia

We need to understand the root causes of why they hate Charles.

Simple: He tells unpleasant truths about the people enablers like Trevino associate with. The resulting expose shows the enable to be a fascist sympathizer, thus placing them in the political nut box and causing them to hate the man who placed them in said box.

46 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:35:06pm

re: #23 Jim in Virginia

Thanos, I don't understand paleoconservatives backing Russia.
I don't doubt it, it just seems so odd.

* * * *
When the USSR broke up, many Orthodox priests were asked to go there & help rebuild Russia's church.

The USA under several presidents has tried to help Russia since it collapsed, with carrots, and they reward us with sticks.

47 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:35:16pm

re: #32 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He's a creep.

48 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #30 pingjockey

What is a paleo conservative?
what is a neo conservative?
I'm a RWR/Goldwater small govt, nat'l defense, whack taxes conservative.


Concise but not exact:
Paleo: Pat Buchanon. Isolationist. Often xenophobic, sometimes anti Semitic.

Neo: Dick Cheney, Richard Perle. Proactive, pre emptive internationalists.

49 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:35:45pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Ah, but here's the kicker of the whole thing. The WH said that they were updating the file photos of AF1 at national landmarks.

Tell me what's changed at those landmarks that they needed updating?

I smell spin. Sort of like you can smell a bad wheel bearing just before it goes.

cheers

eon

50 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:36:54pm

re: #31 calcajun

The fighters were OK. It's the low-flying commercial jets that put folks on edge. A lot of people freaked.

Of course, BHO might liken himself to Orson Welles now.

He'd need to gain a couple hundred pounds and start pitching cheap California wine.

51 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:36:57pm

re: #43 pink freud

Has lie-reek all over it.

conspiracy people will call it a dry run

52 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:06pm

re: #49 eon

I smell spin. Sort of like you can smell a bad wheel bearing just before it goes.

cheers

eon

We call it the "laugh test". It does not pass it.

53 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #48 Jim in Virginia
That clears it up some. I appalled that some people still consider Buchanon a conservative. He is a vicious sob.

54 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:20pm

re: #39 alegrias

* * * *
Didn't Regnery publish the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" book about Kerry?
THAT took guts.

Regnery also publish the "Politically Incorrect Guide" series, and a pile of other extreme rubbish from the likes of Coulter.

55 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:24pm

I think this guy is a religious supremacist.

56 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:44pm

re: #50 Jim in Virginia

He's got the hubris already.//

57 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:38:02pm

re: #54 Zimriel
I liked the P.I.G. Guide to Islam.

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:38:19pm

All you really need to know about this guy:

By the way, Tacitus: just for the record, you were removed from the blogroll here when you defended Aziz Poonawalla's loathsome accusations of a Jewish Bioweapon targeted against Arabs, and decided instead to call me hysterical for likening it to a modern variation on the ancient blood libel -- an opinion I stand by, 100%.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Creep.

59 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:38:57pm

This is reminiscent of Clinton's delay of Air Force One on the main runway at LAX while he was getting a haircut or something-- only worse. Clinton inconvenienced thousands. Obama is panicking tens of thousands, many of them loyal Democrats.

I'd say he's just getting started.

60 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:38:59pm

re: #57 pingjockey

I liked the P.I.G. Guide to Islam.

* * * *
Me too, though I haven't opened it yet. It's time to read it.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:39:06pm

re: #51 albusteve

conspiracy people will call it a dry run

If you're Obama, that's a bonus: The Ron Paul / Alex Jones crowd whip themselves into a frenzy of stupidity and make the Right seem worse, thus binding the middle to you.

62 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:40:20pm

I think this is what you call BUSTAGE!

63 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:40:20pm

re: #40 researchok

the term 'war' is not meant to invoke warm, fuzzy feelings. It's cold, hard, horrible truth.

64 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:40:23pm
65 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:40:51pm

Trevino updates his post:

UPDATE: A friend once said to me of a particular Straussian eminence, “He hates his enemies, but he really hates his friends,” and that comes to mind as I read Johnson’s post about “The Beam in Joshua Trevino’s Eye.” He correctly notes that I’m listed as a contributor at The Brussels Journal, which he regards as a beyond-the-pale website. The facts of my association with The Brussels Journal are simple: back in 2006, Paul Belien asked if he could re-print my blog posts, and I gave him permission to do so as he wished. That permission stands. This said, much of the material Johnson links to is quite ugly — though not quite Charles-Johnson-would-never-stoop-to-this ugly — and I have no desire to affiliate with them. My views are laid forth here, at my site; and my life as lived testifies adequately to my vices and virtues both. To paraphrase Reagan, when The Brussels Journal or anyone else prints or re-prints my work, I’m not signing on to their agenda — they’re signing on to mine.

66 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:41:05pm

re: #42 brookly red

They were taking the beauty shots of AF 1 over the Statue of Liberty; they weren't taking shots of Lower Manhattan or NYC.

67 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:41:08pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

Is he perhaps Eastern Orthodox? Might explain the pro-serbian stance.

I'm thinking so, he links to this Orthodox ezine, saying "Perhaps the most unusual Orthodox webzine I've seen"

[Link: www.deathtotheworld.com...]

68 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:41:21pm

Okay, I missed it. Did the USAF fly AF1 around Manhattan and not get on the news and tell people this was going to be going on? If they didn't I'd really like the head of the fool in charge of this photo op on a platter.

69 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:41:44pm

Later lizards.

70 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:42:21pm

re: #59 quickjustice

This is reminiscent of Clinton's delay of Air Force One on the main runway at LAX while he was getting a haircut or something-- only worse. Clinton inconvenienced thousands. Obama is panicking tens of thousands, many of them loyal Democrats.

I'd say he's just getting started.

* * * * *
Flying an empty Air Force One to take some photos is a collosal waste of money.

Clinton was just a rude pig to Americans. He could have had the White House barber give him a haircut in the Oval Office before his appearances, instead of scheduling Monica Lewinsky's services.

71 carefulnow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:43:03pm

So...what does Trevino's comment on his update that Charles "hates his enemies but really hates his friends" mean?

Also, I tried to comment there after registering but couldn't. Any ideas?

72 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:43:18pm

Call on the clue phone for Josh: I'm not your friend. Bite me, Tacitus.

73 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:43:28pm

re: #65 Charles

I would have to say this man lacks a conscience.

74 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:43:40pm

re: #63 ArmyWife

the term 'war' is not meant to invoke warm, fuzzy feelings. It's cold, hard, horrible truth.

yeah, but warm fuzzies are all Obama knows how to project. He's never had to deal with cold hard and terrible and doesn't know how to do so. America had a chance to elect a man who did understand such things and a majority of the voters decided to go with the warm fuzzies guy. And we will all pay for that bad decision.

75 carefulnow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:43:44pm

re: #72 Charles

Oh good, that answers my question!

76 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:43:51pm

re: #70 alegrias

The rumors persist that it wasn't a "haircut" that Clinton was getting on Air Force One. Go figure!

77 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:44:02pm

re: #65 Charles

riiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.

besides "wow", it's all I can muster.

(seriously, does he believe what he just wrote? For reals?)

78 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:44:20pm

re: #65 Charles

(Trevino)...when The Brussels Journal or anyone else prints or re-prints my work, I’m not signing on to their agenda — they’re signing on to mine.

Have all these folks gone to the Spencer school of Apologetics?

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

79 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:44:43pm

re: #68 pingjockey

Okay, I missed it. Did the USAF fly AF1 around Manhattan and not get on the news and tell people this was going to be going on? If they didn't I'd really like the head of the fool in charge of this photo op on a platter.

** * * * *
"Mission Accomplished" of the hubris sort.

Let's Joy Ride Through Manhattan because hey,
The Global War on Terror is over.
There is no Financial Depression.
Millions of taxpayers aren't unemployed.

80 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:45:04pm

He must have thought he was writing for the other Brussels Journal.

81 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:45:09pm

in other news...Mia Farrow had agreed to mainline eight BigMacs tomorrow at noon EST if the press decides to show up and document the feast for an upcoming Larry King Special

82 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:45:19pm
83 jacksontn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:45:53pm

re: #79 alegrias

** * * * *
"Mission Accomplished" of the hubris sort.

Let's Joy Ride Through Manhattan because hey,
The Global War on Terror is over.
There is no Financial Depression.
Millions of taxpayers aren't unemployed.

alegrias ... I WON! ... get over it sucka ... oh, yeah ... I WON!

84 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:46:03pm

re: #79 alegrias
How many people did they scare the hell out of? That is just stupid.

85 MJ  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:46:06pm

re: #65 Charles

Trevino updates his post:

Josh wrote here:
[Link: joshuatrevino.com...]

What would responsible anti-jihadism look like? The wish list flows from the indictments:

It would embrace the whole of the political mainstream, as anti-Communism once did.
It would hold no animus for the individual Muslim.
It would reject all trafficking with racists.
It would reject conspiracy theories and anything too easily sliced by Occam’s razor.
It would seek the implementation of meaningful and realistic public policy.

What say you? Are certain racists permissible?

86 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:46:14pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

I know. We aren't all stupid - but enough of us were.

87 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:47:09pm

And for the record: This is not the Tacitus I knew.

88 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:47:14pm

re: #85 MJ
Pssst..Islam isn't a RACE!

89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:47:31pm

re: #81 albusteve

in other news...Mia Farrow had agreed to mainline eight BigMacs tomorrow at noon EST if the press decides to show up and document the feast for an upcoming Larry King Special

What, other than herself, is she trying to call attention to?

90 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:47:35pm

re: #83 jacksontn

alegrias ... I WON! ... get over it sucka ... oh, yeah ... I WON!

* * * *
To the victor go the Toys! Let them eat cake.

So much for caring about Climate Change footprints of Air Force One! Or themselves.

91 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:48:02pm

re: #70 alegrias

Flying an empty Air Force One to take some photos is a collosal waste of money.

Earth Day's over, now it's time to really burn the avgas!

92 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:48:06pm

re: #65 Charles

Yes, but when your words and ideas are co-opted by people with malice in their heart and are possess an odious ideology, then you are affiliated with them--unless you take the overt step of distancing yourself from them.

93 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:48:43pm
The facts of my association with The Brussels Journal are simple: back in 2006, Paul Belien asked if he could re-print my blog posts, and I gave him permission to do so as he wished. That permission stands. This said, much of the material Johnson links to is quite ugly — though not quite Charles-Johnson-would-never-stoop-to-this ugly — and I have no desire to affiliate with them.

Well- which one is it Josh?! Your permission stands, or you don't want to be affiliated with them? You're a spencer-like hack, trying to have it both ways. Nice conscience, you walking bundle of contradictions. Your credibility is zero.

94 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:48:44pm

re: #87 Cato the Elder

And for the record: This is not the Tacitus I knew.

Mr. President, is that you?

/sarc

95 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:49:01pm

re: #76 quickjustice

It was...oh, it's too depressing.

96 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:49:10pm

re: #43 pink freud

Has lie-reek all over it.

OK, now you guys are driving me nuts. What was the real intent of planegate.?

97 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:49:11pm

YO Trevino -

Go suck an Egg. We here are as "Anti-Jihad" - a/k/a Islamic Supremacist Doctrine, AS EVER. Recent revelations have made us more selective in the friends we choose. That is all.

-S-

98 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:49:22pm

What Conservatives don't understand about the Serbian lobby is that they have a few goals in mind, and they play all parts of the street: Left, Right, and the middle. Josh appears to be playing the middle. He's from Texas originally, I don't think he's a supremacist, but he associates with them ala his posts in BJ. I'm not sure if he's fully in the lobby, but his posts on Russia and Kosovo seem to lean him that way.

Also note that the Serbian lobby candidate of choice was Obama.

99 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:49:23pm

re: #84 pingjockey

How many people did they scare the hell out of? That is just stupid.

* * * *
Maybe all New Yorkers are "over" 9/11/01.

Not me.

100 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:49:36pm

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

No, no, of course not; it was haricots. Say what you will about the man, he loved his green beans.

What's all this about Clinton's harlots on Air Force One?

/never mind

101 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:50:00pm

re: #81 albusteve

Which will be followed by Mia Farrow purging at 1:00 EST.

102 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:50:48pm

re: #53 pingjockey

That clears it up some. I appalled that some people still consider Buchanon a conservative. He is a vicious sob.


The left/ right, liberal/ conservative dichotomy needs to be retired. Seventy years ago Lee and Walter Reuther were organizing the UAW, fighting with both Management and the Communists.
Forty years ago there were Democrats like Scoop Jackson who were pro Israel, anti Communist, pro union defense hawks.
The Republicans will suicide if they set up social issue litmus tests for party activists.

103 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:50:52pm

re: #96 avanti

OK, now you guys are driving me nuts. What was the real intent of planegate.?

Vanity? That's my suspicion.

104 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:51:03pm

re: #88 pingjockey

Pssst..Islam isn't a RACE!

Tacitus said:

What would responsible anti-jihadism look like? The wish list flows from the indictments:

It would embrace the whole of the political mainstream, as anti-Communism once did.
It would hold no animus for the individual Muslim.
It would reject all trafficking with racists.
It would reject conspiracy theories and anything too easily sliced by Occam’s razor.
It would seek the implementation of meaningful and realistic public policy.

Well, the Brussels Journal, with whom Tacitus trafficks his posts, apparently harbors a visceral animus against all of the individual Muslims comprising the entire popuation they wish to deport, not just against the jihadi ones.

105 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:51:11pm
106 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:51:41pm

It's time to invoke a useful Spanish saying:

Mejor solo que mal acompanado (there is an invisible tilde over the n)

Better alone than accompanied poorly.

107 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:51:47pm

re: #98 Thanos

Also note that the Serbian lobby candidate of choice was Obama.

I'm guessing that's because they consider him to be less likely to intervene in any future Serbian 'adventures'. I sincerely hope their guess is wrong, if it ever comes to that again.

108 MJ  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:51:51pm

re: #88 pingjockey

Pssst..Islam isn't a RACE!

Are you suggesting that The Brussels Journal is not racist?

109 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #96 avanti

OK, now you guys are driving me nuts. What was the real intent of planegate.?

It. doesn't. make. sense.

I don't need to know the "real intent" to know that.

110 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:52:06pm

re: #99 alegrias
I think after 9/11 any big plane flying over any major metropolitan area away from normal routes is going to scare a lot of folks. Jumbo jets just don't cruising around at 1000 feet normally.

111 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:52:12pm

re: #90 alegrias

* * * *
To the victor go the Toys! Let them eat cake.

So much for caring about Climate Change footprints of Air Force One! Or themselves.

alegrias ... P. Diddy says ..."So ride with me, G4 fly with me ..."

so you think Obama is going to let P. Diddy (is that what he is going by now) show him up? ... dude has Air Force One ... trumps G4 anyday ... I WON!

112 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:52:28pm

re: #98 Thanos

What Conservatives don't understand about the Serbian lobby is that they have a few goals in mind, and they play all parts of the street: Left, Right, and the middle. Josh appears to be playing the middle. He's from Texas originally, I don't think he's a supremacist, but he associates with them ala his posts in BJ. I'm not sure if he's fully in the lobby, but his posts on Russia and Kosovo seem to lean him that way.

Also note that the Serbian lobby candidate of choice was Obama.

Exactly right -- and there's a lot of money behind them too, financing these people to promote revisionism.

113 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:52:41pm

re: #92 calcajun

silence is the same as condoning.

114 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:52:55pm

re: #32 Charles

Wow. He said this:

It's absurd that I must spend more time and energy defending myself from my putative "allies" than I do from my ideological foes on the left and elsewhere.

...in 2003!

115 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:53:20pm

re: #98 Thanos

The Serb lobby support for Obama was calculated.

They knew he would not tar them with the genocide label. Same with the Turks. They understood Obama would buy them more time re the Armenian massacres.

Can't we all get along?

116 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:53:43pm

re: #107 Jimmah

I'm guessing that's because they consider him to be less likely to intervene in any future Serbian 'adventures'. I sincerely hope their guess is wrong, if it ever comes to that again.

Since a lot of Obama's advisers are former Clinton people, they might be in for a nasty surprise on that front.

117 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:53:47pm

re: #98 Thanos

What Conservatives don't understand about the Serbian lobby is that they have a few goals in mind, and they play all parts of the street: Left, Right, and the middle. Josh appears to be playing the middle. He's from Texas originally, I don't think he's a supremacist, but he associates with them ala his posts in BJ. I'm not sure if he's fully in the lobby, but his posts on Russia and Kosovo seem to lean him that way.

Also note that the Serbian lobby candidate of choice was Obama.

I suspect the "Serbian lobby" is in reality the Putin lobby, which is about getting Russians that access to the Mediterranean they've wanted since they expelled the Turks off the Crimea.

118 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:53:49pm
Far better to guard the gates of Vienna, or shrug like Atlas, or stoke the fires of 9/12, or whatever last-stand-of-the-West rhetoric strikes one’s inner Charles Martel.

Couldn't help noticing that. I have to wonder if he's being too clever by half, or he just has a contradictory nature....?

119 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:54:09pm

re: #104 Salamantis
Nice. Why would any 'responsible' person let themselves be associated with such vermin?

120 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:54:24pm

re: #104 Salamantis

Well, the Brussels Journal, with whom Tacitus trafficks his posts, apparently harbors a visceral animus against all of the individual Muslims comprising the entire popuation they wish to deport, not just against the jihadi ones.

Which proves Trevino a liar as well as a bigot. From Tacitus to Doofus.

121 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:54:32pm
122 Logician  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:55:41pm
Jewish conspiracy theories

should at least be spelled with a hyphen to avoid confusion: Jewish-conspiracy theories (i.e. theories about Jewish conspiracies).

Jewish conspiracy theories do exist (e.g. Rabin-assassination revisionism - ugh), but are utterly insignificant.

123 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:55:42pm

good night folks!

124 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:55:54pm

re: #81 albusteve

in other news...Mia Farrow had agreed to mainline eight BigMacs tomorrow at noon EST if the press decides to show up and document the feast for an upcoming Larry King Special

Please please please tell me this is true.
Please?

125 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:56:11pm

re: #123 pingjockey

night. Sleep well.

126 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:56:15pm

re: #113 ArmyWife

Exactly. You cannot say that their printing my words does not mean that I endorse them.

127 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:56:30pm

re: #116 Charles

Since a lot of Obama's advisers are former Clinton people, they might be in for a nasty surprise on that front.

Provided we can intervene from 30,000 feet or more, anyway.

128 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:56:52pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

And Charles said this:

Well, fair's fair, my friend. If you're allowed to take a slap at me, surely you can't object when the reverse happens?

Well, actually you can object, but it makes you look pretty silly.

Back to him in 2003! Deja vu....

129 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:57:01pm

Gotta hit the sack now. Nite all :)

130 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:57:16pm

Suspected manbirdpig virus now in NC.

131 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:57:34pm

re: #112 Charles

Exactly right -- and there's a lot of money behind them too, financing these people to promote revisionism.

Charles -

Follow the Money. I have my thoughts in this one - "POCCA" is my best guess. That is all.

-S-

132 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #27 karmic_inquisitor

At this juncture I think it is very important for us to choose our words carefully.

“Crypto-Nazis” really isn't a term that we should call these unwitting endorsers of European fascists. They are having a hard time dealing with their associations and can't explain themselves. They feel trapped such that they end up “acting out” by turning on Charles.

It is a form of projection and rationalization.

So let's all try to be understanding of the situation.

Let's take a collective deep breath.

Let's choose better, more thoughtful, more understanding words

Let's call them “Crypto- Douchebags” instead.

They are pretty openly Douchebags. Nothing "crypto" here.

133 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:57:45pm

re: #112 Charles

Exactly right -- and there's a lot of money behind them too, financing these people to promote revisionism.

I am chortling about that a bit... with Ahmanson switching to dem our political opponents now have to put up with these asses more than we do.

134 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:58:21pm
135 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:58:29pm

Night all, sweet dreams, stay healthy & alert.

136 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:58:41pm

re: #126 calcajun

That was just goofy. If the Nazis on Parade party asked me (even politely) if they could use my fantastically insightful posts on their propaganda sites, my response would be something along the lines of "Pound sand, jack asses". To me, that would be the only reasonable response.

137 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

Suspected manbirdpig virus now in NC.

I haven't seen that?

I'm checking the cdc site frequently. My last update on US cases stood at 40, as of 1 pm Eastern.

138 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:59:10pm

re: #96 avanti

OK, now you guys are driving me nuts. What was the real intent of planegate.?

Somebody thought it would be cool to send Air Force One on a pizza run?

Seriously, Louis Caldera, the white House staffer who is responsible for scheduling the aircraft's movements, apparently thought such a stunt would be a good idea for reasons he is at present unable adequately to explain. (Perhaps he sees it as a performance art piece.) He also failed to follow protocol and notify the New York Mayor's Office ahead of time. As the WH has stated that this maneuver was scheduled a month ago, it's not like he didn't have time; Bloomberg is reportedly furious.

The One is reportedly furious, too. But so far, no mention of disciplinary action against Caldera.

My guess is any such action will be taken against... the flight crew, on the grounds that they're "not really part of the gang" at the new Obama Fun House.

/I'm wondering if Caldera is another Clinton retread- the MO seems familiar from the "I did it because I could" POV.

cheers

eon

139 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:59:14pm

As I read his initial article, I again have to wonder, what is the point of this screed? It makes no sense. It's like reading a fjordman post, just not quite so long, in that it says a lot without saying much at all.

140 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:59:33pm

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

buzsawmonkey -

Yes - HANNITY. That is all.

-S-

141 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:59:36pm
142 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:59:44pm

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

No doubt. That would be much easier than say, testing or closing borders or - egads - treating with tamiflu.

143 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:00:04pm

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that this panic in the streets over swine flu is going to become yet another fulcrum to lift the proposed national health program?

It will depend on what happens. Really. If no one dies, and there isn't even a wide-spread outbreak, it will stiffen resistance.

144 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:00:19pm
145 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:00:37pm

re: #141 So?

You know- the sekrit muslim stuff belongs on another blog.

146 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:00:40pm
Treviño: To paraphrase Reagan, when The Brussels Journal or anyone else prints or re-prints my work, I’m not signing on to their agenda — they’re signing on to mine.


Jimmy Carter thought the same thing about Playboy magazine when he did the interview. I don't think it worked out all that well for him.

147 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #141 So?

Um, So?

Are you taking meds that impair your judgement?

148 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:01:52pm

To "Knuckles" -- thanks for playing. See ya!

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:04pm

On the radio right now. The CDC are stumped, they have never seen anything like this virus. FDC is going to allow unapproved drugs to fight this.

150 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:11pm

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that this panic in the streets over swine flu is going to become yet another fulcrum to lift the proposed national health program?

Mexico has a "national health program", broadly based on the UK's. It doesn't seem to have helped much.

/And if not for those "evil", profit-driven pharmaceutical companies in this country, there'd be no such thing as Tamiflu, either.

cheers

eon

151 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:23pm

re: #139 Sharmuta

Wow, you got that right -- it's Fjordmanesque in it's passive aggressiveness.

152 So?  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:27pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

You know- the sekrit muslim stuff belongs on another blog.

It just pissed me off, when I read this article. I couldn't believe it.

153 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:41pm

re: #96 avanti

OK, now you guys are driving me nuts. What was the real intent of planegate.?

I can imagine some PR/ permanent campaign types looking at stock photos of Air Force One taken four or eight or twelve years ago and saying, "Lame! We need new photois. How about an Air Force One flyby of the Statue of Liberty?"
And it went downhill from there.

154 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:47pm

re: #136 ArmyWife

The point is that they would not ask--they would run your stuff in their materials without asking. Some of these groups are like that.

155 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:02:52pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

You know- the sekrit muslim stuff belongs on another blog.

Not to mention blogwhoring, if any, belongs on an open thread.

156 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:03:07pm
157 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:03:29pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

On the radio right now. The CDC are stumped, they have never seen anything like this virus. FDC is going to allow unapproved drugs to fight this.

What's up with CDC's website? I'm not getting that information, and I'm refreshing every five minutes.

158 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:03:40pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

You're super serial?

159 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:03:42pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

On the radio right now. The CDC are stumped, they have never seen anything like this virus. FDC is going to allow unapproved drugs to fight this.

Oh man.

160 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:03:46pm
161 So?  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:04:00pm

re: #147 Dianna

Um, So?

Are you taking meds that impair your judgement?

Dianna, did you read the article? He does a photo op in the skies over New York city, being chased by F-16s. And you are asking if I took my meds.

162 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:04:28pm

re: #159 Zimriel

Oh man.

* * *
Who's the FDC Walter mentions if not the Food & Drug Administration?

163 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:04:40pm

re: #138 eon

Somebody thought it would be cool to send Air Force One on a pizza run?

Seriously, Louis Caldera, the white House staffer who is responsible for scheduling the aircraft's movements, apparently thought such a stunt would be a good idea for reasons he is at present unable adequately to explain. (Perhaps he sees it as a performance art piece.) He also failed to follow protocol and notify the New York Mayor's Office ahead of time. As the WH has stated that this maneuver was scheduled a month ago, it's not like he didn't have time; Bloomberg is reportedly furious.

The One is reportedly furious, too. But so far, no mention of disciplinary action against Caldera.

My guess is any such action will be taken against... the flight crew, on the grounds that they're "not really part of the gang" at the new Obama Fun House.

/I'm wondering if Caldera is another Clinton retread- the MO seems familiar from the "I did it because I could" POV.

cheers

eon

Minor clarification, the mayors office was notified, and the mayor was pissed at his administrations failure to pass on the info to him. Caldera followed all the rules, but was a idiot for not seeing a plane flying that low would not be a issue, more so then the one that had to land in the Hudson was.

164 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:05:01pm

re: #162 alegrias

* * *
Who's the FDC Walter mentions if not the Food & Drug Administration?

Yes, the food and drug minister people.

165 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:05:23pm

re: #152 So?

It just pissed me off, when I read this article. I couldn't believe it.

It's been around all day. Why on earth are you getting pissed now?

166 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Re Air Force One: at least it didn't spell out "Surrender Dorothy" in skywriting.

But it was like "The Far Side" cartoon with the aliens buzzing a city street screaming, "Yeeeeehaaaaa!"

167 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:05:30pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Yes, the food and drug minister people.

Thank you Walter.

168 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:05:39pm

re: #148 Charles

To "Knuckles" -- thanks for playing. See ya!

Did we just have a banning? If so, give me a minute to get the grill going.

169 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:05:45pm

re: #131 Dr. Shalit
POCCA?

170 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:06:23pm

re: #137 Dianna

I haven't seen that?

I'm checking the cdc site frequently. My last update on US cases stood at 40, as of 1 pm Eastern.

See here. It's a global map, you can zoom in and out.

Suspected only, so far.

171 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:07:00pm

re: #154 calcajun

But he said they asked and he said "Fine". If, however, they swiped my stuff and I found out, there would be disclaimers all over the place, not to mention a letter or 12 insisting they not use my stuff without permission.

In short, what it wouldn't be is abject silence.

172 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:07:14pm
173 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:07:48pm

re: #171 ArmyWife

But he said they asked and he said "Fine". If, however, they swiped my stuff and I found out, there would be disclaimers all over the place, not to mention a letter or 12 insisting they not use my stuff without permission.

In short, what it wouldn't be is abject silence.

I think we're at cross-purposes. You are correct; silence equals assent.

174 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:07:55pm

re: #153 Jim in Virginia

I can imagine some PR/ permanent campaign types looking at stock photos of Air Force One taken four or eight or twelve years ago and saying, "Lame! We need new photois. How about an Air Force One flyby of the Statue of Liberty?"
And it went downhill from there.

I'd vote for that, toss in some training hours and a few pilots are happy to join in. The fact that they thought about notifying NYC meant they got about a third of the way through a idea, before screwing up.

175 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:07:56pm
176 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:08:02pm

re: #157 Dianna

That isn't what the Army is saying either - the official bullets on that will be published tomorrow (or so I'm guessing).

177 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:08:13pm
178 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #163 avanti

avanti ... this will pass over ... it was just very poor judgment ... that being said ... OBAMA imo is a friggin joke on America ... and a big f*ck you from the 52% who voted his ass into the White House ...

179 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:08:25pm

re: #161 So?

Dianna, did you read the article? He does a photo op in the skies over New York city, being chased by F-16s. And you are asking if I took my meds.

It's been up all day. We've commented on it, none of us (that I saw) went haring off after some weird, discredited notion of "secret muslim".

Yep, it's an outrage. Yep, it's profoundly stupid. Yep, you have to wonder what the staffer who thought this up was smoking.

No, you don't have to instantly bring up something flat-out weird and paranoid.

Yes, I do feel a need to ask about your medication status. I worry, because you'll be perfectly rational until the evening. Then...very odd stuff comes from your keyboard.

180 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:08:39pm

re: #177 BatGuano

Then don't quote it.

181 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:09:16pm

re: #177 BatGuano

(polite golf-clap) Well played.

182 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:09:19pm

re: #151 Thanos

Wow, you got that right -- it's Fjordmanesque in it's passive aggressiveness.

Fjordman's speciality is to find some wacked-out Leftist somewhere mouthing off against white people, and build from that a narrative of white people being oppressed by a multinational elite using minorities as MUSCLE, leaving you DEFENCELESS.

His assertions may or may not be wrong, but they are always overstated and they always end up in the same place: what can we poor helpless white people ever do against these swarthy hordes?

183 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:09:31pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

See here. It's a global map, you can zoom in and out.

Suspected only, so far.

I would like to know who maintains the points on that map?

184 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:10:06pm

re: #163 avanti

Minor clarification, the mayors office was notified, and the mayor was pissed at his administrations failure to pass on the info to him. Caldera followed all the rules, but was a idiot for not seeing a plane flying that low would not be a issue, more so then the one that had to land in the Hudson was.

Accepted, which means that Caldera and several of Bloomberg's staffers need to be reassigned to less critical functions. Like maybe doing a penguin census in Alaska.

/Yes, I know there are no penguins in Alaska- that's rather the point.

And with that, I'm off, as CSI; Miami is coming on.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

185 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:10:31pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Did we just have a banning? If so, give me a minute to get the grill going.


Mmm. Fresh gamey buttocks. Pass the horseradish.

186 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:10:46pm

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that this panic in the streets over swine flu is going to become yet another fulcrum to lift the proposed national health program?

First, I haven't seen much actual panicking.

Second, it's serious enough to warrant watching, and the people doing the reporting have a pretty simple agenda: minimize the effects. If keeping it secret would help, they might do it, but then Alex Jones would have another theorie conspirationelle to scream about.

Third, if a national health program means something like what Bismarck started in Germany in the last century but one, I'm for it.

187 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:10:50pm

re: #178 JacksonTn

avanti ... this will pass over ... it was just very poor judgment ... that being said ... OBAMA imo is a friggin joke on America ... and a big f*ck you from the 52% who voted his ass into the White House ...

Imagine if this had happened while Bush was still in? The roar from the left would have been deafening. But, since it's their guy, "ahh, it's nutin' to see here"

188 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:11:13pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

I would like to know who maintains the points on that map?

Not I.

189 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:11:27pm

re: #174 avanti

I'd vote for that, toss in some training hours and a few pilots are happy to join in. The fact that they thought about notifying NYC meant they got about a third of the way through a idea, before screwing up.

Very true, avanti. Glad to see you giving it the people who came with this brain fart with the bark on. For anyone who doubt why avanti is an asset to LGF, the post quoted here will give you the reason.

190 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:11:42pm

That was the last straw for "So?"

191 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:12:11pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Not I.

You don't maintain it (which I already know) or you are not interested in who maintains it? You answer is a bit vague.

192 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:12:37pm

re: #151 Thanos

Wow, you got that right -- it's Fjordmanesque in it's passive aggressiveness.

I think he's angry to find himself in agreement with Charles. It's a sort of hybrid variant of Charles Derangement Syndrome. Take a swipe at Charles, then spend paragraph after paragraph agreeing with him.

193 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:13:26pm

re: #186 Cato the Elder

First, I haven't seen much actual panicking.

Second, it's serious enough to warrant watching, and the people doing the reporting have a pretty simple agenda: minimize the effects. If keeping it secret would help, they might do it, but then Alex Jones would have another theorie conspirationelle to scream about.

Third, if a national health program means something like what Bismarck started in Germany in the last century but one, I'm for it.

Does it involve invading France? If so, I'm in!

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:13:31pm

So? just got booted! He must really gone over the line. Sad to see, he'd been here longer than I had. The sickness of crazy is spreading.

195 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:13:32pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

I would like to know who maintains the points on that map?

The reporters are all listed - I think it's something registered users can contribute to.

196 GlockNspell  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:13:55pm

re: #179 Dianna

It's been up all day. We've commented on it, none of us (that I saw) went haring off after some weird, discredited notion of "secret muslim".

Yep, it's an outrage. Yep, it's profoundly stupid. Yep, you have to wonder what the staffer who thought this up was smoking.

No, you don't have to instantly bring up something flat-out weird and paranoid.

Yes, I do feel a need to ask about your medication status. I worry, because you'll be perfectly rational until the evening. Then...very odd stuff comes from your keyboard.

This is a very good reply - every day there is this rush to judgement to try and pin something on President Obama and every day it turns out there's NOTHING to pin on him. Some staffer makes a mistake and normally that is what is reported but in the past three months it's as if EVERYTHING that goes wrong is directly the President's fault. So far, none of it has been.

197 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:14:19pm

re: #179 Dianna

It's been up all day. We've commented on it, none of us (that I saw) went haring off after some weird, discredited notion of "secret muslim".

His association between secret muslim and flying planes too close to group in NYC was what creeped me out. As if Obama was performing a sick form of 9/11 pageant.

That is some bad Obama Derangement Syndrome right there.

198 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:14:27pm

re: #190 Charles

That was the last straw for "So?"

I wondered when it was going to happen. It had to be during the evening, of course, but I didn't expect to witness it.

Sorry, So?. It's your own fault.

199 CynicalConservative  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:14:29pm

re: #190 Charles

That was the last straw for "So?"

Wow, go for a tasty beverage and miss a self destruct.

200 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:14:53pm

re: #195 Dianna

The reporters are all listed - I think it's something registered users can contribute to.

Then I would suspect many of those points. I thought it was Google user maintained. That map would not be my source for any information.

201 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:15:27pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

I blame the "Asinine Flu"............

202 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:15:42pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

You don't maintain it (which I already know) or you are not interested in who maintains it? You answer is a bit vague.

Heh...sorry...the former, of course.

Niman
Biomedical Research
Pittsburgh, PA USA

No further info available.

But it seems level-headed enough.

203 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:15:51pm

"between [the] secret-muslim [conspiracy-theory] and flying planes too close to [the ground]", I mean. PIMF.

Have I contracted dyslexia today? Geeze.

204 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:16:23pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

OK, who left the door open and let the troll in?

GAZE

205 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:16:24pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

So? just got booted! He must really gone over the line. Sad to see, he'd been here longer than I had. The sickness of crazy is spreading.

So?'s always had odd moments.

206 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:16:39pm

re: #199 CynicalConservative

Speaking on meltdowns--my Hornets are dying-- down 30 pts in the the 3rd. What is it with my hometown and sports teams.

207 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:16:56pm

re: #174 avanti

I'd vote for that, toss in some training hours and a few pilots are happy to join in. The fact that they thought about notifying NYC meant they got about a third of the way through a idea, before screwing up.


One lesson from 9 11 was the need for better interagency communications. That lesson has apparently been lost. They notifed the FAA and NYPD; but they also told them to keep it a secret. I understand that- you work in the White House, you've been lectured about security so much your head hurts. They didn't think about how it would look.
But surely someone at the FAA had the sense to question this. Did the boss tell him or her to shut up?

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:17:10pm

Evening Honcos! We are still experiencing Spring Showers in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

I'll tell you the truth. I have hard time following the interwoven tanglements of the Right Wing Whackos and wanna-bes. Lately, I haven't even tried. What I have noticed is that now that we have a Democrat in office, the whacko's seem more looney than ever.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

209 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:17:27pm

Bloomberg was also pissed off because it was an ill conceived photo op with the TAXPAYERS' MONEY.

Right on, Mayor Bloomberg.

We're broke, and they spent $ _________________ millions frightening New Yorkers for a photo op.

210 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:17:34pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

So? just got booted! He must really gone over the line. Sad to see, he'd been here longer than I had. The sickness of crazy is spreading.

There's a difference between irreverence and viciousness, and sometimes that distinction can be small (humor itself is often a kind of criticism). SpaceJesus tightropes a fine line between them. So? apparently couldn't figure out where that line was, and crossed it.

211 CynicalConservative  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:17:47pm

re: #206 calcajun

Speaking on meltdowns--my Hornets are dying-- down 30 pts in the the 3rd. What is it with my hometown and sports teams.

BBall I'm guessing?

212 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:17:56pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

Some staffer makes a mistake and normally that is what is reported but in the past three months it's as if EVERYTHING that goes wrong is directly the President's fault. So far, none of it has been.

You're so absolutely correctomundo!
Not like when Bush was prez and was to blame for EVERY FUCKING THING THAT WENT WRONG! Real or imagined.

/twit!

213 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:18:02pm

Re the NYC plane- Obama and Rahm are reportedly "quite upset."

214 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #169 Jim in Virginia

POCCA?

Jim in VA -

Cyrillic Alphabet. Transliterated into English - RUSSIA. I tend to have more understanding for Russian positions than most - AND - would LIKE to cooperate with them more than we do. Bottom Line is that the Serbs have been a Russian Little Brother since well before WW I. We "kicked Serbia's ass" at a time when Russia could do Nothing About It. Go from there.

-S-

215 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:18:50pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

This is a very good reply - every day there is this rush to judgement to try and pin something on President Obama and every day it turns out there's NOTHING to pin on him. Some staffer makes a mistake and normally that is what is reported but in the past three months it's as if EVERYTHING that goes wrong is directly the President's fault. So far, none of it has been.

I guess that spending a few trillion is not his fault either?

216 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #190 Charles

That was the last straw for "So?"

I'm am surprised you put up with him this long. You have the patience of Job.

217 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:02pm

Greta Van Susteren says the White House could have used Photo Shop!

(Say, where's the artiste who created all of Obama's faux presidential seals? They looked so authentic)

218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:07pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

I think he's angry to find himself in agreement with Charles. It's a sort of hybrid variant of Charles Derangement Syndrome. Take a swipe at Charles, then spend paragraph after paragraph agreeing with him.

Charles Derangement Syndrome? Has it really come to this.

Don't these people have jobs?

219 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:14pm

re: #184 eon

Accepted, which means that Caldera and several of Bloomberg's staffers need to be reassigned to less critical functions. Like maybe doing a penguin census in Alaska.

/Yes, I know there are no penguins in Alaska- that's rather the point.

And with that, I'm off, as CSI; Miami is coming on.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

Yep, a few smart, wrist slaps at least should be in order, if not a firing or two.

220 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:21pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Damn, I quoted when I usually reply! Sorry!. I don't think I've been deleted before.

221 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:25pm

re: #213 Jim in Virginia

Re the NYC plane- Obama and Rahm are reportedly "quite upset."

Sure, that's what they want you to think!

/they're coming to take me away haha hoho hehe

222 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:25pm

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

Then I would suspect many of those points. I thought it was Google user maintained. That map would not be my source for any information.

I'm just going by what I see on the map - they've not listed anything I'm not finding elsewhere (look at the sidebar); and they're being properly cautious.

What I don't understand is the lack of updating on the CDC site.

223 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:27pm

Expect Obama to come out with a sincere apology for the NY fly-over, before the night is out.

This is a president who knows how to apologize. Promptly.

224 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:30pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

This is a very good reply - every day there is this rush to judgement to try and pin something on President Obama and every day it turns out there's NOTHING to pin on him. Some staffer makes a mistake and normally that is what is reported but in the past three months it's as if EVERYTHING that goes wrong is directly the President's fault. So far, none of it has been.

GnSpell ... what are you smoking? ... yeah, who cares about the little crap ... but we do care about everything else he is doing to push America down the socialist drain ... guess you are a 52 percenter ...

225 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:19:31pm

re: #208 ggt

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

A semi-secret government plan to fly jumbo jets near New York City landmarks?

So? sorry.

226 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:20:17pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

So? just got booted! He must really gone over the line. Sad to see, he'd been here longer than I had. The sickness of crazy is spreading.

Faster than manbirdpig flu.

227 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:20:36pm

re: #209 alegrias

Bloomberg was also pissed off because it was an ill conceived photo op with the TAXPAYERS' MONEY.

Right on, Mayor Bloomberg.

We're broke, and they spent $ _________________ millions frightening New Yorkers for a photo op.

Change we can believe in.

/spits

228 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:20:39pm

OT -

I'm listening to Mark levin on the radio, and, he should be in the nut bag with the other "conservative" talk show people.

Reactionary and nasty. This guy comes across like Al Franken.

Not good for the cause.

229 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:21:27pm

re: #219 avanti

Yep, a few smart, wrist slaps at least should be in order, if not a firing or two.

Anytime you want to fly jet liners over Manhattan, it's best people know about it. It was poor judgment by the Air Force and the handlers of Air Force 1.

230 GlockNspell  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:21:30pm

re: #215 Desert Dog

I guess that spending a few trillion is not his fault either?

if i'm not mistaken, Congress passed that legislation. If you have a beef with it, write your Congresman and,or Senator.

231 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:21:42pm

re: #218 ggt

Charles Derangement Syndrome? Has it really come to this.

Don't these people have jobs?

CDS has been going on for awhile, and I don't know about jobs. I would ask if they have a life.

232 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:22:02pm

re: #210 Salamantis

So? tended to be rational enough during business hours.

After dark, though...well. That's why I asked about his medication status. I've seen him do this before. Absolute lunacy, on a subject he'd been aware of for hours.

233 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:22:05pm

re: #209 alegrias

Bloomberg was also pissed off because it was an ill conceived photo op with the TAXPAYERS' MONEY.

Right on, Mayor Bloomberg.

We're broke, and they spent $ _________________ millions frightening New Yorkers for a photo op.

Cost of fuel for Air Force One to fly to NYC: $75,000
Combined Salaries for staff and crew for one day operation: $50,000
Cost of for stampeding thousands of New Yorkers for a
stupid photo-op: priceless (and the midterm elections?)

234 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:22:12pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

And one more thing; Your "0" (pronounced zero) has made so many mistakes and blown it in so many ways, and sucked up to so many of our enemies......you might want to rethink your defense of the big "0" (pronounced zero).

235 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:22:19pm

re: #211 CynicalConservative

Yep. sigh.

236 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:22:40pm

re: #223 Charles

Expect Obama to come out with a sincere apology for the NY fly-over, before the night is out.

This is a president who knows how to apologize. Promptly.

Only to our enemies and lack-luster allies.

237 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #230 GlockNspell

if i'm not mistaken, Congress passed that legislation. If you have a beef with it, write your Congresman and,or Senator.

Wow, a lesson in government from GNS. It's a DEMOCRATIC congress and house, you fool. They SUPPORT the president. They are practically in LOCKSTEP with him.

Is that a little hard for you to grasp?

Yep.

238 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:23:25pm

re: #213 Jim in Virginia

Re the NYC plane- Obama and Rahm are reportedly "quite upset."

Reporter's notebook...

TOTUS: "This reminded people of 9-11. We want them to forget 9-11!"

Rahm (on phone to reporter): "The President is quite upset. You can quote me."

239 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

No-Levin can be funnier.

(But, so can a fence post)

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #231 Sharmuta

CDS has been going on for awhile, and I don't know about jobs. I would ask if they have a life.

LOL!

241 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:23:54pm

re: #230 GlockNspell

if i'm not mistaken, Congress passed that legislation. If you have a beef with it, write your Congresman and,or Senator.

Ahh, it was Congress' fault! Whew, for a while I thought Obama had something to do with all that spending. THAT WAS A CLOSE ONE!

No need to write my Congressional representatives, all three of them voted NO

242 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:23:56pm

re: #209 alegrias

Bloomberg was also pissed off because it was an ill conceived photo op with the TAXPAYERS' MONEY.

Right on, Mayor Bloomberg.

We're broke, and they spent $ _________________ millions frightening New Yorkers for a photo op.

Upding.

This is why I've been getting upset at the cranks lately; they make it harder for sane people to object to real failings of this administration. And of course, it enables trolls like JockNSniff here to claim that Obama never does anything wrong.

243 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:24:21pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

Some staffer makes a mistake and normally that is what is reported but in the past three months it's as if EVERYTHING that goes wrong is directly the President's fault. So far, none of it has been.

First, all those "some staffers" work for the President and if he isn't even responsible for his own staff why should anyone think he is responsible for the Nation? Second, I'm not sure what you mean by "normally" when it refers to how the MSM reports screw-ups by White House staff members, but if the 8 years prior to Obama's inauguration were any indication, "normally" means tying the screw-up directly to the President and pining for impeachment hearings.

244 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:24:32pm

re: #139 Sharmuta

As I read his initial article, I again have to wonder, what is the point of this screed? It makes no sense. It's like reading a fjordman post, just not quite so long, in that it says a lot without saying much at all.

I spent the past hour reading through some of his writings. He has an odd writing style in which not unlike you describe he seems to use hundreds of words to describe a simple idea. Then I listened to him speak in an online video an it was like seeing two different people.

I did run into this piece in which he incorrectly defines evolution and grossly simplifies the political implications of a creationist candidate:

From The hand of God is there also:

Evolution and its implications are profoundly important to all faiths, peoples and politics: it contends with nothing less than the origin and purpose of man, and as such addresses — though it cannot on its own terms ever answer — the question of existence. The question that Matthews asked was suggested by “a Politico.com reader,” and the probability is that the reader was one of two types: either a politicized Christian who regards the issue as a litmus test in itself; or a leftist who thinks it equally important for opposite reasons. Whomever he is, we can say one thing with certainty: on this, in his assumptions, he is wrong.

245 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:24:38pm

re: #196 GlockNspell

This is a very good reply - every day there is this rush to judgement to try and pin something on President Obama and every day it turns out there's NOTHING to pin on him. Some staffer makes a mistake and normally that is what is reported but in the past three months it's as if EVERYTHING that goes wrong is directly the President's fault. So far, none of it has been.

I find it disappointing that you feel nothing reported he's done was a mistake. While I'll defend the POTUS when he's in the right, he's made his share of errors on occasion.

246 GlockNspell  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:24:40pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I'm listening to Mark levin on the radio, and, he should be in the nut bag with the other "conservative" talk show people.

Reactionary and nasty. This guy comes across like Al Franken.

Not good for the cause.

I agree totally! The right has the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Levin acting like psychotics - where are the rational ones on the right?
Levin has this big #1 selling book and then airs his hate speech across the airwaves and totally discounts any good points he makes in that book.

247 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:24:52pm

re: #229 Desert Dog

Anytime you want to fly jet liners over Manhattan, it's best people know about it. It was poor judgment by the Air Force and the handlers of Air Force 1.

Actually airlines fly directly over midtown Manhattan all the time now. It strikes me as kind of a bad idea, but they do. From the video, however, this one looks like it was a lot lower than usual, well below the tops of the buildings, and those sharp turns it was making near the Statue of Liberty must have rattled some nerves.

248 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:25:23pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I'm listening to Mark levin on the radio, and, he should be in the nut bag with the other "conservative" talk show people.

Reactionary and nasty. This guy comes across like Al Franken.

Not good for the cause.

I agree. I can't stand to listen to Mark Levin. Screaming and ranting like a maniac seems to be the new conservative modus operandi. Bah.

Levin lost me when he screamed at a caller who tried to criticize creationism, cut him off, then continued to rant about how kids need to learn to fear God in science classes.

Bah.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:25:43pm

Well, I think I'm going to return the escapism of War and Peace.

Check-in wit you all a little later.

250 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:25:51pm

re: #112 Charles

Exactly right -- and there's a lot of money behind them too, financing these people to promote revisionism.

Cato's got Serbian relatives. Don't even get me started. Denial so thick you couldn't cut it with a katana.

251 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:25:58pm

re: #241 Desert Dog

I wish mine had.

252 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:14pm

re: #233 calcajun

Cost of fuel for Air Force One to fly to NYC: $75,000
Combined Salaries for staff and crew for one day operation: $50,000
Cost of for stampeding thousands of New Yorkers for a
stupid photo-op: priceless (and the midterm elections?)

* * * *
I wonder if this thoughtless display of hubris would have changed the results of New York's recent 20th Congressional District race which the GOP guy Mr. Tedisco just conceded to the arriviste Obama supported democrat Murphy.

253 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:19pm

re: #233 calcajun

Cost of fuel for Air Force One to fly to NYC: $75,000
Combined Salaries for staff and crew for one day operation: $50,000
Cost of for stampeding thousands of New Yorkers for a
stupid photo-op: priceless (and the midterm elections?)

calcajun -

AND in 2010 they will STILL vote "D." They voted for Kerry in 2004, only three (3) years after 9/11. Need I say more?

-S-

254 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:28pm

re: #249 ggt

Well, I think I'm going to return the escapism of War and Peace.

Check-in wit you all a little later.

BTW, the French lose.///

255 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:34pm

re: #247 Last Mohican

Actually airlines fly directly over midtown Manhattan all the time now. It strikes me as kind of a bad idea, but they do. From the video, however, this one looks like it was a lot lower than usual, well below the tops of the buildings, and those sharp turns it was making near the Statue of Liberty must have rattled some nerves.

I bet it did. I have some relatives there and that day will never be erased from their psyche.

Lesson learned by everyone now, I hope.

256 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:41pm

re: #246 GlockNspell

I agree totally! The right has the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Levin acting like psychotics - where are the rational ones on the right?
Levin has this big #1 selling book and then airs his hate speech across the airwaves and totally discounts any good points he makes in that book.

Do me a BIG favor, you fuck off. Don't be agreeing with me. That's all.

257 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:48pm

re: #234 IslandLibertarian

And one more thing; Your "0" (pronounced zero) has made so many mistakes and blown it in so many ways, and sucked up to so many of our enemies......you might want to rethink your defense of the big "0" (pronounced zero).

Don't respond to that troll. Just downding him and post a GAZE times. Just keep the Golly_Wog Lizard's Prayer in mind:

Our Overlord, who art in cyberspace
Hallowed be thy flame.
Thy downding come, thy ban stick flung
On Nirth as it is on Nodrog.
Give us this day our daily thread
And forgive us our spins
As we forgive those who spin upon us.
For thine is the website
And the powerblog, and the rational
Forever and ever
GAZE!

258 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #223 Charles

Expect Obama to come out with a sincere apology for the NY fly-over, before the night is out.

This is a president who knows how to apologize. Promptly.

I agree, but maybe not until tomorrow. he may want to nail down how the comedy of errors went down.

259 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:27:06pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Didn't know he/she was going to be deleted.

260 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:27:12pm

re: #246 GlockNspell

here are the rational ones on the right?

At LGF.

261 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:27:19pm

re: #232 Dianna

So? tended to be rational enough during business hours.

After dark, though...well. That's why I asked about his medication status. I've seen him do this before. Absolute lunacy, on a subject he'd been aware of for hours.

Once a doctor prescribed me regular megadoses of the steroid Predisone, in an unsuccessful attempt to treat my cluster headaches. One appaling side effect of it was a mood swing to a creepy Tourettes-like mentality where I would compulsively tell the filthiest sexual jokes to the most inappropriate people and at the most inopportune occasions.

This happened a few times and I told the doctor that there was no way that I was continuing with the regimen.

262 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:27:41pm

re: #230 GlockNspell

if i'm not mistaken, Congress passed that legislation. If you have a beef with it, write your Congresman and,or Senator.

YOU TWIT!
"0" signed it! And lied about it beforehand. Said there would be 48 hour review.
He didn't even read it.
Pay attention to the details.

263 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:27:45pm

Caldera has an interesting history.



Louis E. Caldera:
Academia
Had Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election, Caldera would likely have been named to an even more important position. But George W. Bush’s victory led Caldera out of government and into academia, first serving as a vice chancellor for the California state university system. In 2003, he accepted a job as president of the University of New Mexico. His tenure at the university was rocky, and he stepped down in 2006 because of disputes over admissions standards and bonuses to top administrators.
...
IndyMac
Caldera sat on the board of directors at IndyMac, a California bank seized by the federal government in 2008 in the second largest bank failure in U.S. history.
...
The Network
Caldera was secretary of the Army when current Veterans Affairs Head Eric Shinseki was Army chief of staff. The two worked together to study and stem the army’s attrition rate.(20) During his time in the Clinton administration, Caldera also worked closely with former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson.
Caldera also has ties to several Latino organizations, including the National Council of La Raza, where White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs head Cecilia Munoz worked.

[Link: www.whorunsgov.com...]

264 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #252 alegrias

Probably not. This is one of those silly moments that happens in every administration. It's a gaffe. You chuckle and move along.

265 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:28:01pm

re: #259 BatGuano

Hon- if you think a comment is out of line, it's a good guess that quoting it isn't a good idea.

266 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:29:25pm

re: #244 Gus 802

I have to wonder if this man has any firm convictions to speak out his ass so freely.

267 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:29:57pm

re: #261 Salamantis

Once a doctor prescribed me regular megadoses of the steroid Predisone, in an unsuccessful attempt to treat my cluster headaches. One appaling side effect of it was a mood swing to a creepy Tourettes-like mentality where I would compulsively tell the filthiest sexual jokes to the most inappropriate people and at the most inopportune occasions.

This happened a few times and I told the doctor that there was no way that I was continuing with the regimen.

That stuff is bad news. My father takes it everyday. He has COPD, emphysema and asthma. It helps him breath, but it's messed him up in other ways. Diabetes, liver problems, mood swings, sores all over his body.

It works well only in a short term.....too bad there is not a safer replacement available.

268 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:30:28pm

Some people like to hear themselves talk. I think trevino likes to hear himself typing.

269 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:30:49pm

re: #261 Salamantis

I believe So? has mentioned having some health and pain issues. I do not know if that's contributed to the lunacy, but I suspect it has.

The problem is, some of his comments have been far, far, beyond the pale. I don't blame Charles for banning him. I knew it was going to happen. I was trying to head him off at the pass, but...well.

270 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:31:05pm

just think of the heart attacks and other medical issues this might have caused.

heads should roll over this.

271 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:31:24pm

re: #249 ggt

Well, I think I'm going to return the escapism of War and Peace.

Check-in wit you all a little later.

The new translation? I adored it.

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:31:30pm

re: #268 Sharmuta

Shades of Fjordy.

273 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:32:10pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

stop making sense.............

274 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:32:15pm

re: #270 yochanan

I caught some of the videos clips earlier. People were terrified.

275 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:32:31pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Shades of Fjordy.

Which is why I invoked him at #139.

276 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:33:06pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I like Levin. His schtick is yelling - I find that better than repeating the same inane thing over and over (and over and over) a la Hannity. Yes, he's said things I find objectionable, but I understand that everyone will not agree with everyone 100%, nor will everyone agree with me 100% (even if they should). I'm ok with diverging opinion - I'm not okay with shunning entire groups in the name of "religious conscious". Be religious! Knock your socks off. Just please, support the Constitution as it's written. Levin does this very, very well - unlike a certain Constitutional Lawyer occupying the Oval Office at the moment.

277 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:33:21pm

re: #238 Dar ul Harb

Reporter's notebook...

TOTUS: "This reminded people of 9-11. We want them to forget 9-11!"

Rahm (on phone to reporter): "The President is quite upset. You can quote me."

That's an interesting angle I hadn't thought of. The New Yorkers whom I know, 100% moonbats (and 0% police officers and firefighters, by the way), were all pretty upset for a long time after 9/11. But now they've forgotten all about it, and they're all permanently rolling around on the floor, ecstatically cooing like babies in their trancelike state of Obama-worship.

Meanwhile, Obama's foreign policy is based on several fundamental pillars, one of which is that terrorism is nothing to worry about, a non-issue. I suppose jolting people out of their trance isn't a good thing for maintaining the confidence, or rather the blind hero worship, of Obama's loyal base.

But it won't be a big deal. No major elections for a while.

278 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:33:42pm

re: #214 Dr. Shalit

Jim in VA -

Cyrillic Alphabet. Transliterated into English - RUSSIA. I tend to have more understanding for Russian positions than most - AND - would LIKE to cooperate with them more than we do. Bottom Line is that the Serbs have been a Russian Little Brother since well before WW I. We "kicked Serbia's ass" at a time when Russia could do Nothing About It. Go from there.

-S-


Ah. MOCKBA.

279 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:33:56pm

re: #268 Sharmuta

Some people like to hear themselves talk. I think trevino likes to hear himself typing.

Some of those points he makes are true. The ethnic Albanians did quite a few bad things before, during and after our foray into Kosovo. BUT, he conveniently fails to mention any of the nasty things the Serbs have done. There is a 800+ year old hatred down there in the Balkans. That place is F-ed up bad. Both sides have gone off the deep end every chance they get. I noticed we are still there too. Thank you President Clinton.

280 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:34:25pm

re: #229 Desert Dog

Anytime you want to fly jet liners over Manhattan, it's best people know about it. It was poor judgment by the Air Force and the handlers of Air Force 1.

Agreed, but it was OK'ed by a White House staffer, so you know where the buck stops.

281 Sunlight  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:34:32pm

re: #213 Jim in Virginia

Re the NYC plane- Obama and Rahm are reportedly "quite upset."

The staffer just thought he'd get the Wednesday party going early.

282 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:34:37pm

re: #273 IslandLibertarian

stop making sense.............

I can't. I normally enjoy getting my crazy on a little but the level of crazy in America right is too high and too nasty for comfort. I've lost most of my enjoyment from crazy and that means I have to work even harder at sanity.

283 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:35:09pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

I have to wonder if this man has any firm convictions to speak out his ass so freely.

Trevino believes in rhetoric and that is why he holds the classics in such high regard. He uses language not to communicate ideas, but to control minds - only he would say "to bring them closer to God".

George Orwell would have recognised his type instantly.

284 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:35:31pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I caught some of the videos clips earlier. People were terrified.

And I really don't blame them.

This was just about as bad an idea as I can imagine having. I'm trying to think of circumstances that might lead to me being quite that idiotic, and I'm not coming up with anything.

I've never been that drunk, hung-over, or over-caffeinated.

285 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:35:38pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

I have to wonder if this man has any firm convictions to speak out his ass so freely.

Oddly enough the impression I got was that he doesn't seem firm in his writings. Sort of like he's playing some kind of "safety dance" while appearing to be firm in his writing. However, at the same time he seems to think he has license to comment on anything and uses rhetoric to give the appearance of expertise.

286 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:35:39pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

ok then...have a SOMA.........."a gram is better than a damn".

287 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #276 ArmyWife

I like Levin. His schtick is yelling - I find that better than repeating the same inane thing over and over (and over and over) a la Hannity. Yes, he's said things I find objectionable, but I understand that everyone will not agree with everyone 100%, nor will everyone agree with me 100% (even if they should). I'm ok with diverging opinion - I'm not okay with shunning entire groups in the name of "religious conscious". Be religious! Knock your socks off. Just please, support the Constitution as it's written. Levin does this very, very well - unlike a certain Constitutional Lawyer occupying the Oval Office at the moment.

I understand what you are saying, but, not for me, not on a regular basis. I was just flipping through the stations looking for something different tonight, found him. I've heard him before, didn't much pay attention. But now, with the recent nuttiness going on in the conservative media, I'm a little more careful.

288 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:35:51pm

re: #280 avanti

At the white house staffer?

289 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:36:03pm

re: #276 ArmyWife

I like Levin. His schtick is yelling - I find that better than repeating the same inane thing over and over (and over and over) a la Hannity. Yes, he's said things I find objectionable, but I understand that everyone will not agree with everyone 100%, nor will everyone agree with me 100% (even if they should). I'm ok with diverging opinion - I'm not okay with shunning entire groups in the name of "religious conscious". Be religious! Knock your socks off. Just please, support the Constitution as it's written. Levin does this very, very well - unlike a certain Constitutional Lawyer occupying the Oval Office at the moment.

Army Wife -

When it comes to "Dr. Levin" Yelling - YELL BACK LOUDER - worked for me when he was local only at WABC. That is all.

-S-

290 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:36:08pm

re: #261 Salamantis

Once a doctor prescribed me regular megadoses of the steroid Predisone, in an unsuccessful attempt to treat my cluster headaches. One appaling side effect of it was a mood swing to a creepy Tourettes-like mentality where I would compulsively tell the filthiest sexual jokes to the most inappropriate people and at the most inopportune occasions.

This happened a few times and I told the doctor that there was no way that I was continuing with the regimen.

Did you stop getting invitations to boring parties or get more invitations to wild parties? Or both?

291 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:37:01pm

re: #279 Desert Dog

I didn't disagree with everything his "responsible anti-jihad" article said. I just didn't appreciate his pot shot at Charles. Pretty much discredited himself with that. Not to mention, if that article is how he feels- then why the hell is he allowing the brussels journal to post his stuff?! Not very responsible, if you ask me. More like opportunistic punk.

292 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:37:26pm

re: #283 Zimriel

Trevino believes in rhetoric and that is why he holds the classics in such high regard. He uses language not to communicate ideas, but to control minds - only he would say "to bring them closer to God".

George Orwell would have recognised his type instantly.

That's a foul slur on the classics, sir.

293 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:37:28pm

re: #264 calcajun

Probably not. This is one of those silly moments that happens in every administration. It's a gaffe. You chuckle and move along.

* * * *
This was a "silly moment"? On the contrary, that was deeply clueless & indicative of a frivolous spendthrift mindset unbecoming a White House at War during our greatest Depression.

On September 11, I helped evacuate my office building near the White House. We were supposed to go to Capitol Hill with our clients that afternoon.

I will never forget the terror of not knowing where the 4th plane was going to be crashed--whether the White House or Capitol Hill--after NYC and our Pentagon were attacked by planes.

Only Nancy Pelosi and derelict democrats would consider defending ourselves SILLY, and minimize the real, raw, deeply seared memories of jumbo jets used as bombs against our country.

294 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:37:33pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I understand what you are saying, but, not for me, not on a regular basis. I was just flipping through the stations looking for something different tonight, found him. I've heard him before, didn't much pay attention. But now, with the recent nuttiness going on in the conservative media, I'm a little more careful.

Read his books, he is quite intelligent. A legal mind to be reckoned with. His bombast and hyperbole aside, he is a good guy. A little grading and blunt, but funny and right in most cases.

295 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:37:34pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Oddly enough the impression I got was that he doesn't seem firm in his writings. Sort of like he's playing some kind of "safety dance" while appearing to be firm in his writing. However, at the same time he seems to think he has license to comment on anything and uses rhetoric to give the appearance of expertise.

You must now link Men Without Hats. I'm serious!

296 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:38:07pm

re: #288 BatGuano

At the white house staffer?

Nope, in the oval office, the staffer was a Obama pick, fairly or not, it's BHO's deal.

297 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:38:20pm

re: #295 Dianna

You must now link Men Without Hats. I'm serious!

298 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:38:28pm

re: #233 calcajun

Cost of fuel for Air Force One to fly to NYC: $75,000
Combined Salaries for staff and crew for one day operation: $50,000
Cost of for stampeding thousands of New Yorkers for a
stupid photo-op: priceless
(and the midterm elections?)

And the worst part is, now they can never even use the photos, because seeing those planes by the Statue of Liberty will just remind everyone what a boneheaded move this was.

I still don't think this will have any effect on any elections, though.

299 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:38:38pm

re: #295 Dianna

You must now link Men Without Hats. I'm serious!

Hopefully, Charles will outright ban anyone caught linking that video! (I hope!)
/

300 GlockNspell  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:38:40pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

Do me a BIG favor, you fuck off. Don't be agreeing with me. That's all.

That's a first. I reply to your comment agreeing with you 100% and you downding my comment. Does that mean you disagree with what you said? Or are you on the same stuff that this " So? " was on?

301 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:39:04pm

re: #290 Alouette

Did you stop getting invitations to boring parties or get more invitations to wild parties? Or both?

Decent people whom I respected and admired began to shun me, because they never knew when the creepiness would hit, and I would embarrass them, and embarrass myself in front of them.

This situation was intolerable for me, and so I ended it.

302 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:39:17pm

re: #270 yochanan

just think of the heart attacks and other medical issues this might have caused.

heads should roll over this.

* * * *
Agree. Deeply offensive, like Abu Ghraib. Just hijinks, huh.

303 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:39:22pm

re: #292 Cato the Elder

That's a foul slur on the classics, sir.

I'm only updinging because I love your phrasing. And I know I'm going to enjoy the next few comments.

304 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:39:35pm

re: #297 Gus 802

[Video]

ahhhh too late!

Men without Talent!

I cast thee out, One Hit Wonder....cast thee out to HELL!

305 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:39:36pm

re: #286 IslandLibertarian

ok then...have a SOMA.........."a gram is better than a damn".

I take no intoxicants. If I were to use any, i would likely become addicted to them. Reality is something I must face without medicinal comforts.

306 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:02pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I hear you - and I've noted Charles' views on this, too. I happen to like Rush, and there are even a few Coulter pieces I could point too that make sense.

Ideally we'd have a figure that isn't an entertainment icon to bring a message forward in a less dramatic fashion. Less pomp, more circumstance, ya know?

307 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:09pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

Shades of Fjordy.

Where has Mr. 10,000 Words of Nothingness been hiding out?

308 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:19pm

re: #296 avanti

We'll see.

309 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:32pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

I have to wonder if this man has any firm convictions to speak out his ass so freely.

A fellow laborer in the vineyards of the word came up with a name for that once: proctoloquist.

310 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:40pm

I mean, really. You write an entire article about "responsible anti-jihad" while having given permission to the brussels journal to re-post your articles. Stunning hypocrisy or utter stupidity? You be the judge.

311 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:47pm

re: #297 Gus 802

Thank you!

312 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:40:52pm

re: #304 Desert Dog

ahhhh too late!

Men without Talent!

I cast thee out, One Hit Wonder....cast thee out to HELL!

Where are they now?

//

313 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:41:17pm

re: #300 GlockNspell

That's a first. I reply to your comment agreeing with you 100% and you downding my comment. Does that mean you disagree with what you said? Or are you on the same stuff that this " So? " was on?

No, you are a jerk, I don't hob nob with jerks. I can't stop you from agreeing with me, but I can certainly tell you what I think about you.

Now buzz off, git.

314 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:41:19pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

I mean, really. You write an entire article about "responsible anti-jihad" while having given permission to the brussels journal to re-post your articles. Stunning hypocrisy or utter stupidity? You be the judge.

I vote for hypocrisy, he knows what he is doing.

315 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:41:30pm

re: #300 GlockNspell

Walter is "on" nothing but sanity, asshole.

FOAD

316 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:41:47pm

re: #299 Desert Dog

Hopefully, Charles will outright ban anyone caught linking that video! (I hope!)
/

Is that a video from the movie. I love that movie.

317 Last Mohican  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:42:02pm

re: #280 avanti

Agreed, but it was OK'ed by a White House staffer

Do we have proof of that? I'm not disagreeing, just haven't seen any indication that this was approved by anyone outside of the Department of Defense.

318 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:42:05pm

re: #299 Desert Dog

Hopefully, Charles will outright ban anyone caught linking that video! (I hope!)
/

I hope not!

I love that song! I love that video! I know all the lyrics!

"And you can act all rude and totally removed,
And I can act like an imbecile!"

It just doesn't get any better than that!

319 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:42:16pm

re: #293 alegrias

OK--really dumb moment. Like I said up-thread--this is his WKRP/Arthur Carlson moment a la dropping turkeys out of a helicopter. Only, the latter was make believe.

320 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:42:32pm

A parting note from "So?"...

Kiss my ass Charles, you run your blog like a tyrant. Your ego is
getting bigger than Uranus, which is where you should shove it.

321 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:42:48pm

re: #276 ArmyWife

I like Levin. His schtick is yelling - I find that better than repeating the same inane thing over and over (and over and over) a la Hannity. Yes, he's said things I find objectionable, but I understand that everyone will not agree with everyone 100%, nor will everyone agree with me 100% (even if they should). I'm ok with diverging opinion - I'm not okay with shunning entire groups in the name of "religious conscious". Be religious! Knock your socks off. Just please, support the Constitution as it's written. Levin does this very, very well - unlike a certain Constitutional Lawyer occupying the Oval Office at the moment.


I usually find Rush entertaining, most of the time he doesn't take himself seriously, and his barbs at stupid and pompous politicians (usually Dems) are almost always spot on.
Hannity is less reliably funny, less accurate and less entertaing, more often irritating.
Levin is like nails on a chalkboard.

322 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:43:25pm

re: #320 Charles

eloquent. Was he 15?

323 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:43:39pm

re: #298 Last Mohican

Yep. It was a bone-headed thing to do.

324 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:43:42pm

re: #236 Dianna

Only to our enemies and lack-luster allies.

I'm in agreement. I doubt we will see an apology on this one. The way I see it is this falls under the "I won" umbrella and we're just gonna have to like it or lump it.

325 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:43:51pm

Well, it looks like another repair job this week. Suburban front hub, and CV axle half shaft.

I have not read all of the posts, but what I have seen today was the plane ride in New York, moreover, the videos of people running in fear.

Aside from any political / philosophical difference with the Obama Administration, I can only ask one question.

What in the hell were they thinking?

326 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:43:55pm

re: #246 GlockNspell


Levin has this big #1 selling book and then airs his hate speech across the airwaves and totally discounts any good points he makes in that book.

Source? I recommend some, because we ain't taking your word for it.

327 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:43:56pm

re: #304 Desert Dog

I can't downding you for opinion.

Damnit.

328 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:04pm

re: #318 Dianna

I hope not!

I love that song! I love that video! I know all the lyrics!

"And you can act all rude and totally removed,
And I can act like an imbecile!"

It just doesn't get any better than that!

So, the song is Glockspell singing to Nodrog?

329 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:06pm

OT
Treasury needs to borrow $361 billion dollars for April-June.

Dig deep!

330 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:16pm

re: #320 Charles

A parting note from "So?"...

Childish response. That "person" was a strange bird.

331 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:27pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Where are they now?

//

They are Canadians. I hope they are doing honest work now. You know, working in a moose-meat processing plant or Ice Road Truckers, perhaps?

Actually, they are still with us and not burning for eternity in Hell: Men Without Hats

332 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:30pm

re: #320 Charles

A parting note from "So?"...

I'm sorry.

333 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:36pm

re: #322 ArmyWife

eloquent. Was he 15?

He emailed me once, he claimed he was 14, and lonely.

334 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:44:43pm

re: #330 Gus 802

Childish response. That "person" was a strange bird.

Don't get me started.

335 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:45:00pm

re: #320 Charles

Poetry. Evocative of Ezra Pound--while he was insane in his Italian exile.

336 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:45:00pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

I can't. I normally enjoy getting my crazy on a little but the level of crazy in America right is too high and too nasty for comfort. I've lost most of my enjoyment from crazy and that means I have to work even harder at sanity.

Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.
Tis late, good night all.
Charles, IMHO, you have the best place on the web.

337 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:45:17pm

Tyrants don't blog, they tyrannize.

338 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:45:51pm

re: #331 Desert Dog

They are Canadians. I hope they are doing honest work now. You know, working in a moose-meat processing plant or Ice Road Truckers, perhaps?

Actually, they are still with us and not burning for eternity in Hell: Men Without Hats

I was going to guess a stint over at Home Depot. ;)

339 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:45:57pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Is that a video from the movie. I love that movie.

Movie? What movie?

340 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:45:58pm

re: #292 Cato the Elder

That's a foul slur on the classics, sir.

I meant no disrespect to the classics; just to Trevino's abuse of them.

If we are talking about masterpieces of classical rhetoric, Cicero did great work with contra Verres, and Demosthenes's Philippics still work to this day...

341 J.S.  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:46:18pm

Just one word for Joshua Trevino -- BUSTED!

342 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:46:22pm

re: #319 calcajun

OK--really dumb moment. Like I said up-thread--this is his WKRP/Arthur Carlson moment a la dropping turkeys out of a helicopter. Only, the latter was make believe.

* * * *
Sorry I didn't get that reference, I am not familiar with that TV show, nor do I find it funny to do "hijinks" with our military aircraft over civilians while we're at war and out of MONEY!

343 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:46:23pm

re: #325 formercorpsman

libs don't think terrorism is a issue anymore so clearly they weren't thinking at all.

heads should roll.

344 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:46:44pm

re: #326 Catttt

Source about having a #1 book? He does - it's his second, actually. The first was Men In Black, the current is Liberty and Tyranny.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

DISCLAIMER: - I am NOT in support of Glockensmuck's ideas.

345 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:46:49pm

re: #320 Charles

A parting note from "So?"...

We're better off without him. I've but the carcass of his account on the grill. We'll have BBQ troll-lizard hybrid for dinner. Since it is technically cannibalism, I'll even open a couple bottles of Chianti for the feast.

346 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:46:59pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Eeeeeep!

"Despite the confusing similarity in names, the safety briefing and the Safety Dance are never again to be combined."

347 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

I believe it.

348 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:47:44pm

re: #304 Desert Dog

ahhhh too late!

Men without Talent!

I cast thee out, One Hit Wonder....cast thee out to HELL!

I love that song. Hiss.

349 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:48:31pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

He emailed me once, he claimed he was 14, and lonely.

"You must be at least THIS TALL ----
to post on this board"

350 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:48:51pm

re: #321 Jim in Virginia

I usually find Rush entertaining, most of the time he doesn't take himself seriously, and his barbs at stupid and pompous politicians (usually Dems) are almost always spot on.
Hannity is less reliably funny, less accurate and less entertaing, more often irritating.
Levin is like nails on a chalkboard.

I do not agree, Rush is very serious about himself, and that's why I see him as a egotistic idiot.

He is TOTALLY aware of his ego. Take it from someone who knows, that guy is ALL EGO. He wants to make you think that he is just being cheeky, but no way. It's a standard technique, play dumb, oh gee, I'm just a little fuzzball.

Bullshit, he's a jerk.

351 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #344 ArmyWife

Source about having a #1 book? He does - it's his second, actually. The first was Men In Black, the current is Liberty and Tyranny.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

DISCLAIMER: - I am NOT in support of Glockensmuck's ideas.

No - I have his latest book on my wish list and am a subscriber on his youtube page. :D

I meant source of the second half of his remark.

352 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:49:03pm

re: #336 Jim in Virginia

Dark Falcon, apologies. I just saw your 305. No offense intended.

353 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:49:20pm

re: #343 yochanan

They should. For what we pay our government to run, it is not too much to expect them to be smarter than this. Forethought.

For crying out loud, seriously, who in the hell thought this might be a good idea in the first place?

Even if everyone knew ahead of time?

354 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:50:03pm

re: #343 yochanan

libs don't think terrorism is a issue anymore so clearly they weren't thinking at all.

heads should roll.

* * * *
Amen.

Thinking we have amnesia about terrorism, Pres. Obama wants to put GITMO enemy combatants in my neighborhood of Alexandria, VA, as if I don't remember 9/11 and what those "overseas contingent operation" actors did to the USA.

As if I want to "rehabilitate" these GITMO yoots and give them welfare.

355 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:50:16pm

re: #346 Dianna

Eeeeeep!

"Despite the confusing similarity in names, the safety briefing and the Safety Dance are never again to be combined."

Everything goes well with Safety Dance. :D

356 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:50:57pm

re: #317 Last Mohican

Do we have proof of that? I'm not disagreeing, just haven't seen any indication that this was approved by anyone outside of the Department of Defense.

link

357 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:51:12pm

re: #339 Dianna

Movie? What movie?

Sorry, I just looked it up, I had the wrong title...

It "Fear of the Black Hat" IMHO a really funny movie

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

358 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #354 alegrias

* * * *
Amen.

Thinking we have amnesia about terrorism, Pres. Obama wants to put GITMO enemy combatants in my neighborhood of Alexandria, VA, as if I don't remember 9/11 and what those "overseas contingent operation" actors did to the USA.

As if I want to "rehabilitate" these GITMO yoots and give them welfare.

* * * *
PS, the Pentagon is 3 miles from my house. I will NEVER FORGET.

359 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:51:58pm

re: #354 alegrias

It truly is. Their side is totally familiar with picking a symbol and making it the face of an issue.

They are the class of hypersensitivity, yet something like this does not qualify in someone's mind as, "hey, wait a minute"?

360 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:51:59pm

re: #348 Catttt

I love that song. Hiss.

I am joking (sorta). That is one of those infectious songs that even if you hate it, you kinda smile when you hear it. It brings back the days when I was young, in great shape and had brown hair.

Here's another Canadian one hitter:

361 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:52:19pm

re: #306 ArmyWife

Ideally we'd have a figure that isn't an entertainment icon to bring a message forward in a less dramatic fashion. Less pomp, more circumstance, ya know?

Substance over style, Function over form. Thats what a "Conservative" host would focus on.

362 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:52:30pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, I just looked it up, I had the wrong title...

It "Fear of the Black Hat" IMHO a really funny movie

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

I had no clue. It looks rather artsy for me.

363 SummerSong  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:52:41pm

re: #261 Salamantis

Oh My! I'm on that ..have been for a month.

I hate prednisone. I can't sleep, among other annoying side effects.

364 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:52:48pm

re: #340 Zimriel

I meant no disrespect to the classics; just to Trevino's abuse of them.

If we are talking about masterpieces of classical rhetoric, Cicero did great work with contra Verres, and Demosthenes's Philippics still work to this day...

Just change the names and dates, and you've got yourself...why, a philippic!

365 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:52:54pm

"I thought, 'Oh, hell,' that it was 9/11 all over again,'' said Kate Geraghty, a Verizon Communications Inc. sales executive who saw the airplane from Jersey City, New Jersey, across the Hudson River from Manhattan. "I thought, 'Oh my God, this plane is going to crash.'''

366 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:54:11pm

re: #280 avanti

Agreed, but it was OK'ed by a White House staffer, so you know where the buck stops.

I give you credit for following the facts, in spite of your ideological predispositions.

367 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:54:21pm

re: #362 Dianna

I had no clue. It looks rather artsy for me.

Go back to to the IMDB page and read the plot tag line. I can't clip and paste it here.

It's a mockumentry of a rap group, but read the name of the group.

368 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:54:26pm

re: #361 Mich-again

Substance over style, Function over form. Thats what a "Conservative" host would focus on.

* * * *
C'mon, William F. Buckley had style, he dripped with it, sometimes coming off as a foppish twit, but sassy, witty and graceful and always polite.

Not everyone has star quality.

369 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:54:43pm

re: #320 Charles

Your ego is getting bigger than Uranus,

Har de Har Har! From a Klingon no less.

370 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:54:43pm

re: #332 Dianna

I'm sorry.

...but so's Brenda Lee...

371 carefulnow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:54:57pm

Regarding Uranus:

Here is a link to a document for a city in California, Thousand Oaks, which has a piece of art entitled "Uranus" and that looks like, well, scroll to the last page of the document. [Link: www.toaks.org...]

Oh, and they (there are two, one at city hall and one at the library) cost $15,000 to install.

Just wanted to share that.

372 pink freud  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:55:43pm

re: #356 avanti

link

Your link goes to an Australian news article that sites an anonymous "Administration" official. That's a long piece away from proof of fury.

Proof of fury would be a furious 0bama using this opportune mishap (?) to once again grace us with his presence on the airwaves. Why hasn't he?

/Answer: Because he is not furious.

373 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:56:09pm

Night all, hasta la vista.

374 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:56:22pm

re: #352 Jim in Virginia

Dark Falcon, apologies. I just saw your 305. No offense intended.

No offense was taken. I knew you meant it tongue-in-cheek.

375 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:56:28pm

re: #356 avanti

link

The WH and staff and appointees are a bunch of stumblebums, imho. Sorry - no offense to stumblebums intended.

376 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:56:46pm

I remember once in San Francisco they were doing a photo shoot with a DC-3 camera plane and something like a Citation X. Beautiful site as the duo circled the city low and slow.

I'm surprised they used an F-16. I would have suggested something like an open B-25 (private) for better shots and had the VC-25 fly at lower speeds. Would have been easier for the citizens to see what was going on.

377 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:56:48pm

re: #367 Walter L. Newton

Go back to to the IMDB page and read the plot tag line. I can't clip and paste it here.

It's a mockumentry of a rap group, but read the name of the group.

Saw it; I don't get satire, much. I'm also trying to type while on the phone, forgive me.

378 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:58:35pm

re: #371 carefulnow

Regarding Uranus:

Here is a link to a document for a city in California, Thousand Oaks, which has a piece of art entitled "Uranus" and that looks like, well, scroll to the last page of the document. [Link: www.toaks.org...]

Oh, and they (there are two, one at city hall and one at the library) cost $15,000 to install.

Just wanted to share that.

So basically, some troll goatse'd a Californian city, and the taxpayers got on the hook for a cool $15 grand.

379 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:58:49pm

re: #360 Desert Dog

I am joking (sorta). That is one of those infectious songs that even if you hate it, you kinda smile when you hear it. It brings back the days when I was young, in great shape and had brown hair.

Here's another Canadian one hitter:


I have a song that is stuck in my head. Here is a chance to get it stuck in other heads. :D

380 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:59:00pm

Man, this whole White House idea to "buzz Manhattan with a low flying, maneuvering 747, being chased by two F-16s photo op" isn't going away anytime soon.

/thousands of New Yorkers are really pissed about being scared half to death, there were even injuries

381 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:59:39pm

Ok, I don't care what anyone says, Mark Levin is nuts. He's got a guy on the air who says the swine flu is a government grab for nationalize health care... and Levin goes right on talking about national health care, and then after the guy gets off the phone, levin says, "What was that guys question?" as if he missed it.

Come on, I was acting better than that when I was 8 years old. This guy is a jerk, maybe, as per some Lizards, really smart, but a really smart jerk.

Bullshit.

382 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:59:54pm

re: #379 Catttt

Smack!

383 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:00:05pm

re: #370 Dar ul Harb

I would have linked Paul Shanklin's cover version about the 0bama International Apology Tour, but there's not a version of that available.

384 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:01:03pm

re: #365 yochanan

Makes you think, though. Even if all the proper authorities had been alerted and there had been an appropriate PSA in New York, how many people still would have been spooked?

Yes, I know that the point if someone dropped the ball. Someone failed to make the right phone call or send the right memo and a PR disaster resulted. The difference is that the MSM will give them a pass--while if it had been GWB, then he would have been pilloried.

385 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:01:16pm

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

Smack!

Heh heh heh.

386 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:01:16pm

My Firefox updated itself, and now Youtube is not working. Does anyone know what plug in I should download to fix that?

387 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:01:25pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

Ok fine, Walter. I will become the new face of the Conservative movement. Please forward donations directly to me, I shall post updates on my progress daily.

(sadly, this is a real fantasy of mine, but that's just between us, alright?)

388 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:01:58pm

re: #384 calcajun

Makes you think, though. Even if all the proper authorities had been alerted and there had been an appropriate PSA in New York, how many people still would have been spooked?

Yes, I know that the point if someone dropped the ball. Someone failed to make the right phone call or send the right memo and a PR disaster resulted. The difference is that the MSM will give them a pass--while if it had been GWB, then he would have been pilloried.

On GWB: yes.

Big time.

389 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:02:03pm

re: #384 calcajun

10-4

390 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:02:04pm

re: #386 Desert Dog

YouTube is doing site maintenance right now.

391 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:02:14pm

Fascist supporters are now showing up in Dave Weigel's post, including Vlaams Belang supporter 'jeppo' -- who LGF readers may recognize.

392 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:02:14pm

re: #276 ArmyWife

I like Levin. His schtick is yelling - I find that better than repeating the same inane thing over and over (and over and over) a la Hannity. Yes, he's said things I find objectionable, but I understand that everyone will not agree with everyone 100%, nor will everyone agree with me 100% (even if they should). I'm ok with diverging opinion - I'm not okay with shunning entire groups in the name of "religious conscious". Be religious! Knock your socks off. Just please, support the Constitution as it's written. Levin does this very, very well - unlike a certain Constitutional Lawyer occupying the Oval Office at the moment.

I like Levin's radio show in very small doses. He's very intelligent. His writing is well researched and he's logical and concise.

His radio show is hilarious if you don't listen all the time. He's a caricature of the crazy host. And even amongst his crazy "get off the phone, ya big dope" schtick, he makes good points and asks good questions of his inane callers.

I also like Rush. I don't always agree with him, but he's made some very good observations over the years and he's been slammed in some of the most unethical of ways. But he is also a once-in-a-while listen for me. Not every day -- no way.

The one I never, EVER listen to is Sean Hannity. WTF. My 13 year old nephew could ask better questions.

393 carefulnow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:02:32pm

re: #378 Zimriel

Yeah, joke's on us, huh. Except that it looks like that horrible viral photo making the e-mail rounds years ago. I wish I could find a better picture of it. I mean the statue.

394 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:02:42pm

re: #384 calcajun

There was a military jet involved.

I can't process what they would be thinking by doing this in the first place.

It blows my mind.

395 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:03:22pm

re: #391 Charles

Fascist supporters are now showing up in Dave Weigel's post, including Vlaams Belang supoprter 'jeppo' -- who LGF readers may recognize.

Oh, dear.

396 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:04:02pm

re: #387 ArmyWife

Ok fine, Walter. I will become the new face of the Conservative movement. Please forward donations directly to me, I shall post updates on my progress daily.

(sadly, this is a real fantasy of mine, but that's just between us, alright?)

I'm not dumping on your opinion of him, I'm just spouting my own opinion. Like you implied, to each his own.

397 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:04:38pm

re: #391 Charles

Fascist supporters are now showing up in Dave Weigel's post, including Vlaams Belang supoprter 'jeppo' -- who LGF readers may recognize.

Awesome... the Eppoj. ROTFL

398 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:04:49pm

The fascists are all lathered up.

Expect them to show up at Joshua Trevino's site too shortly.

399 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:04:49pm

Have a good evening all.

400 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:04:55pm

re: #372 pink freud

Your link goes to an Australian news article that sites an anonymous "Administration" official. That's a long piece away from proof of fury.

Proof of fury would be a furious 0bama using this opportune mishap (?) to once again grace us with his presence on the airwaves. Why hasn't he?

/Answer: Because he is not furious.

LOL. He might not know about it, yet. I'm sure he'll be sufficiently furious when he finished his waffle. ;D

401 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:05:05pm

re: #391 Charles

Fascist supporters are now showing up in Dave Weigel's post, including Vlaams Belang supoprter 'jeppo' -- who LGF readers may recognize.

Enjoy the company you keep, Dave!

402 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:05:05pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

I know - I was just playing with you. I thought you'd pick up on my teasing - my fault for forgetting this is written and not spoken, no inflection, etc. etc.

403 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:05:40pm

re: #394 formercorpsman

As I understand it, it was for post cards--you know AF-1 with F-16's over national monuments, etc. Some sort of park service thing. Again, a big communications cock-up.

404 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:06:07pm

re: #382 Dark_Falcon
I know what might help - Lenny Kravitz!

405 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:06:08pm

re: #397 Zimriel

Awesome... the Eppoj. ROTFL

Did you ever actually encounter jeppo?

I shudder at the recollection!

406 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:06:19pm

re: #365 yochanan

"I thought, 'Oh, hell,' that it was 9/11 all over again,'' said Kate Geraghty, a Verizon Communications Inc. sales executive who saw the airplane from Jersey City, New Jersey, across the Hudson River from Manhattan. "I thought, 'Oh my God, this plane is going to crash.'''

People were panicking and crying.

/there's lots of video already out there, probably lots more to come, and it's absolutely mind boggling how the White House could even think of doing that

407 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #394 formercorpsman

There was a military jet involved.

I can't process what they would be thinking by doing this in the first place.

Ha. It was a cost-cutting move... Allegedly.

The photo op was combined with a training exercise to save money, according to another administration official who also spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak publicly about the behind-the-scenes discussions about the flight.
408 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:06:45pm

In the comments for Dave Weigel's last article about me, haters were posting things like:

Johnson is a traitor to the republic and should be hanged

409 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:00pm

re: #402 ArmyWife

I know - I was just playing with you. I thought you'd pick up on my teasing - my fault for forgetting this is written and not spoken, no inflection, etc. etc.

I'd vote for you AW. This country needs more tough Conservative Chicks!

410 Simply Me  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:34pm

re: #261 Salamantis

Once a doctor prescribed me regular megadoses of the steroid Predisone, in an unsuccessful attempt to treat my cluster headaches. One appaling side effect of it was a mood swing to a creepy Tourettes-like mentality where I would compulsively tell the filthiest sexual jokes to the most inappropriate people and at the most inopportune occasions.

This happened a few times and I told the doctor that there was no way that I was continuing with the regimen.

When I read this I wondered if Walter L. Newton might be taking Predisone. Then saw his comment
re: #256 Walter L. Newton

Do me a BIG favor, you fuck off. Don't be agreeing with me. That's all.


I do really wonder.

411 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:41pm

re: #400 kynna

LOL. He might not know about it, yet. I'm sure he'll be sufficiently furious when he finished his waffle. ;D

When he finishes his waffle.

PIMF

412 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:41pm

re: #398 Charles

The fascists are all lathered up.

Expect them to show up at Joshua Trevino' site shortly.

Eh, fuck you, Joshua. You ain't worthy to shine Charles' boots.

413 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:46pm

re: #406 Killian Bundy

As I said a moment ago--even if they had alerted all the right people, there still would have been folks who would have been terrified. Think of Orson Welles and "War of the Worlds"

414 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:08:09pm

re: #403 calcajun

unless it is at a air show were you expect to see low flying planes esp military ones they really should not have done this over nyc even if they had made psa's people at work might not have seen them.

415 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #408 Charles

Such lovely people.

416 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:08:33pm

re: #404 Catttt

You didn't?! Noooo!

I have never forgiven him for that line about wanting to fly up into the sky, so very high, just like a dragonfly.

Oh, and let's not forget the immortal stupidity of, "let's go and see the stars, the milky way, and even Mars, so it will just be ours..."

I will never, so long as I live, forgive those inanities, no matter how well he plays guitar. Never.

He's not Ziggy.

417 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:08:34pm

re: #406 Killian Bundy

People were panicking and crying.

/there's lots of video already out there, probably lots more to come, and it's absolutely mind boggling how the White House could even think of doing that

Send all letters of complaint to the 89th Airlift Wing.

//

418 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #403 calcajun

The focus group should have thought of a different image.

Seriously, as someone said up thread, if this was Bush the media would spin this akin to total ignorance.

With so many more pressing issues, this is a blunder.

419 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:13pm

re: #408 Charles

In the comments for Dave Weigel's last article about me, haters were posting things like: Johnson is a traitor to the republic and should be hanged

I'm not sure what republic this guy's talking about. Surely not the one I live in.

420 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:23pm

re: #414 yochanan

That's my point. Alerted or nor, there would have been a lot of scared people regardless.

421 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:34pm

re: #408 Charles

Additionally- I wonder if they have any idea of who it is they sound like. "Traitor to the republic who should be hanged" sounds like the mullahs.

422 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:42pm

re: #408 Charles

Oh, Charles!

That's vile. Why are you reading this stuff?

423 formercorpsman  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:48pm

re: #408 Charles

Dopes.

424 Desert Dog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:09:54pm

re: #419 kynna

I'm not sure what republic this guy's talking about. Surely not the one I live in.

Maybe he meant to say the "4th Reich"?

425 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:10:01pm

re: #419 kynna

I'm not sure what republic this guy's talking about. Surely not the one I live in.

The Iranian one?

426 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:10:03pm

re: #418 formercorpsman

Exactly. It's a gaffe--abut a big one.

427 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:10:22pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

Additionally- I wonder if they have any idea of who it is they sound like. "Traitor to the republic who should be hanged" sounds like the mullahs.

That was my first thought, too. FATWA!

428 Shug  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:11:27pm

Walter,

been in contact tonight with realwest

got Dustyve's papyal account from the email forward.

thanks

I did what I could.

The Lizard nation is awesome

429 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:11:27pm

re: #408 Charles

You should not be reading that. You're just torturing yourself--and that's our job.////

430 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:11:35pm

And now Michael Savage is on. He wants to know way Obama hasn't closed the borders. He says ACORN is keeping him from doing it so Obama can get the census figures he want at the next census.

So, the swine flu is a plot to push Mexicans into our country, so Obama can get census figures that will help him become president for life.

That's what Savage is saying.

Nuts, the whole bunch of them.

431 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:12:13pm

re: #408 Charles

That certainly lends credibility to their argument, now doesn't it?

Morons.

432 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:12:44pm

re: #413 calcajun

As I said a moment ago--even if they had alerted all the right people, there still would have been folks who would have been terrified. Think of Orson Welles and "War of the Worlds"

Here Is the Guy Who Scared You This Morning, New York

Well, he's not the pilot of the plane that buzzed the financial district (and lowly Jersey City) this sunny, 9/11-y morning. But he is the guy who authorized the flight.

Louis Caldera is the director of the White House Military Office, and he is Clinton's old secretary of the Army. He is very sorry.

Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.

/ain't over until at least his head rolls

433 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:12:53pm

re: #408 Charles

In the comments for Dave Weigel's last article about me, haters were posting things like:

Looks like Trevino was a consultant to a consultant of Ron Paul. Weigel is an obvious Paulian. Looks like they're all coming home to roost.

434 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:13:07pm

re: #320 Charles

A parting note from "So?"...

Kiss my ass Charles, you run your blog like a tyrant. Your ego is
getting bigger than Uranus, which is where you should shove it.

One thing that assholes and morons don't seem to understand about a privately-owned and run blog like LGF is that it is not a democracy, it's a benevolent dictatorship. We're here because Charles wants us here, so if we be nice, play it cool, and keep it groovy, we generally stay as long as we want. Otherwise, if you're a particularly odious dick/troll/moby, then you shouldn't expect to be around very long and have no one to blame but yourselves if Stinky shows you the door and puts his size 13s in your ass.

/morons and assholes, you're officially on notice (and you know who you are)...

435 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:13:11pm

"Traitor to the people's republic who should be hanged

FTFA

What a moroon.

436 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:13:45pm

re: #416 Dianna

You didn't?! Noooo!

I have never forgiven him for that line about wanting to fly up into the sky, so very high, just like a dragonfly.

Oh, and let's not forget the immortal stupidity of, "let's go and see the stars, the milky way, and even Mars, so it will just be ours..."

I will never, so long as I live, forgive those inanities, no matter how well he plays guitar. Never.

He's not Ziggy.

And the rubadub line. I know. But then there's THIS. :D (possibly not work safe)

437 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:14:01pm

re: #414 yochanan

unless it is at a air show were you expect to see low flying planes esp military ones they really should not have done this over nyc even if they had made psa's people at work might not have seen them.

I agree. It takes a very special kind of stupid to pull a stunt like this unless it was absolutely necessary for some reason. It seems like it was not necessary, so ... yeah ... Dumber than dumb.

438 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:16:24pm

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

And now Michael Savage is on. He wants to know way Obama hasn't closed the borders. He says ACORN is keeping him from doing it so Obama can get the census figures he want at the next census.

So, the swine flu is a plot to push Mexicans into our country, so Obama can get census figures that will help him become president for life.

That's what Savage is saying.

Nuts, the whole bunch of them.

Why in hell are you listening to Savage?! That's positively dangerous to your mental health!

439 Silvergirl  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:16:58pm

re: #32 Charles

More insight into Joshua Trevino's attitudes can be found in this thread, when he was posting at LGF under the name "Tacitus"...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Since 2003 this lovefest has been going on? What endurance.

440 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:17:59pm

re: #436 Catttt

And the rubadub line. I know. But then there's THIS. :D (possibly not work safe)

I can't listen at home. Still, I know what you mean.

441 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:18:55pm

re: #438 Dianna

Why in hell are you listening to Savage?! That's positively dangerous to your mental health!

Because the baseball game is on so I can't listen to our local night time nut bat conservative "Gunny" Bob Newman on KOA (our local 50 thousand watt talk station). I like talk radio, I don't watch any TV (except LOST, one hour a week), and even if it's someone I don't like, it's better than baseball.

Boo to baseball, interrupts my whole summer radio talk show schedule.

442 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:20:08pm

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you! Savage is a freak of large proportions.

443 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:20:45pm
An administration official said the purpose of the photo op was to update file photos of the president's plane near the Lady Liberty.

Yeah, it turns out all the old file photos of Air Force One in the area show the World Trade Center Towers in the background. Which is somewhat unhelpful with the whole "unclenching the fists" campaign.

444 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:20:45pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

It used to be that that Leftists believes they were better people and conservatives believed they have better ideas.

Too many ersatz conservatives nowadays believe that they too are better people, simply by virtue of their beliefs.

Like the leftists, they demand you tow the party line.

445 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:21:03pm

re: #440 Dianna

I can't listen at home. Still, I know what you mean.

Hey, that's sexist. I hate it. Over and over we men are just put on a pedestal as some sort of sex object. When is it going to stop.
/

446 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:21:06pm

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

And now Michael Savage is on. He wants to know way Obama hasn't closed the borders. He says ACORN is keeping him from doing it so Obama can get the census figures he want at the next census.

So, the swine flu is a plot to push Mexicans into our country, so Obama can get census figures that will help him become president for life.

That's what Savage is saying.

Nuts, the whole bunch of them.

dammit. they should restrict migration in and out of Mexico right now, until we know more

but nutjobs like that make it more difficult to make that case

447 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:21:13pm

re: #371 carefulnow

Can't you warn a person that you're PDFing them?

I hate that!

448 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:21:48pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

Hey, that's sexist. I hate it. Over and over we men are just put on a pedestal as some sort of sex object. When is it going to stop.
/

When those of us who like men are afraid to speak out?

449 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:22:45pm

re: #442 ArmyWife
Savage is definetly an entertainer. He is a nutter. I used to listen to him years ago (3) and thought he was okay for a little while. I was working swing shift and he (savage) came on before Coast to Coast AM! So it went from nuts to loony before I got of work at 1230am!

450 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:22:57pm

re: #444 researchok

It used to be that that Leftists believes they were better people and conservatives believed they have better ideas.

Too many ersatz conservatives nowadays believe that they too are better people, simply by virtue of their beliefsEuropean descent.

Like the leftists, they demand you tow the party line.

Belien-ised for you

451 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:23:13pm

re: #447 Cato the Elder

Can't you warn a person that you're PDFing them?

I hate that!

I embarrass myself when pdf. ing.

I found two typos I'd sworn I'd corrected this afternoon. I was really annoyed.

452 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:23:27pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

I even used to listen to Art Bell and George Nouri when I lived in CO. They are really entertaining :-).

453 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:24:12pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

Hey, that's sexist. I hate it. Over and over we men are just put on a pedestal as some sort of sex object. When is it going to stop.
/

Will not stop as long as I have breath in my body. :D

454 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:24:22pm

re: #452 funky chicken

I even used to listen to Art Bell and George Nouri when I lived in CO. They are really entertaining :-).

I miss Art Bell. He was just so nuts, I could listen for hours, and play "let's create one grand conspiracy!"

455 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:25:05pm

re: #454 Dianna

I miss Art Bell. He was just so nuts, I could listen for hours, and play "let's create one grand conspiracy!"

Contrails! Contrails! Contrails!

456 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:25:36pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Contrails! Contrails! Contrails!

That was a thought, among others.

457 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:25:44pm

re: #450 Zimriel

Belien-ised for you

Or the The Brussels Journal version: White European Descent.

458 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #443 Mich-again

AF 1 looks cool sitting on the tarmac. And taking pics like that doesn't have a carbon footprint.

These guys kinda are starting to act like royalty or something.

/well, they started a while ago

459 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:26:54pm

re: #455 Sharmuta
I had never heard of Art Bell until I started swing shift in 2000. I was highly entertained!

460 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:27:25pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Contrails! Contrails! Contrails!

Contrails, coffee enemas, nutritional supplements, and gold coins!

Reverse osmosis water filter optional.

//

461 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:28:24pm

re: #460 Gus 802
You forgot the radio everybody needs to have in a catastrophe!

462 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:28:39pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Contrails! Contrails! Contrails!

Chemtrails. Get your conspiracy right!

Although the first time I heard of chemtrails was one day when Neil Boortz ripped a nutjob caller a new one when the guy tried to bring that up. My husband just cracked up when I told him about it.

I mean, skinny little steam trails at 39,000 feet containing mind control drugs? Who on earth even thought of that?

463 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:28:41pm

re: #459 pingjockey

I had never heard of Art Bell until I started swing shift in 2000. I was highly entertained!

Princess Diana and JFK were both ritually assassinated. The Earth is hollow, and secretly ruled by the Secret Reptilian Brotherhood from Alpha Draconis (or was it the Fourth Dimension?), who regularly practice ritual Satanic murder and child molestation. Francis Bacon was Shakespeare; Jesus Christ never existed; Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles are shapeshifters who assert world control through a vast international banking network.

[Link: www.disinfo.com...]

464 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:29:03pm

re: #459 pingjockey

I used to listen for an hour or so- the show was on locally after a program that was hosted by a friend of mine, and produced by a high school friend, so I listened to them nightly. Then Art came on, and I'd listen for awhile. It was entertaining, for sure.

465 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:29:06pm

re: #460 Gus 802
And shadow people, remote viewing, etc...

466 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:29:31pm

re: #462 funky chicken

Chemtrails. Get your conspiracy right!

Although the first time I heard of chemtrails was one day when Neil Boortz ripped a nutjob caller a new one when the guy tried to bring that up. My husband just cracked up when I told him about it.

I mean, skinny little steam trails at 39,000 feet containing mind control drugs? Who on earth even thought of that?

Big Pharma.

467 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:29:48pm

re: #461 pingjockey

You forgot the radio everybody needs to have in a catastrophe!

Ah.

"Make sure you have batteries to listen to Art Bell on your radio when catastrophe strikes -- because sooner or later it will! //

468 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:30:12pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Big Pharma.

Wall Street!

469 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:30:54pm

re: #467 Gus 802
This radio has a hand crank to charge it and solar cells! Damn, I can't think of the companies name.

470 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:31:17pm

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

you forgot time travel. sheesh

471 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:31:30pm

re: #462 funky chicken

Chemtrails. Get your conspiracy right!

Although the first time I heard of chemtrails was one day when Neil Boortz ripped a nutjob caller a new one when the guy tried to bring that up. My husband just cracked up when I told him about it.

I mean, skinny little steam trails at 39,000 feet containing mind control drugs? Who on earth even thought of that?

The same people who are giving you cancer on purpose with your flu shot so purple yogurt will come out of your nose.

472 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:31:34pm

re: #469 pingjockey

This radio has a hand crank to charge it and solar cells! Damn, I can't think of the companies name.

He sold those?

//Whooooo boy.

473 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:31:35pm

re: #464 Sharmuta

I used to listen for an hour or so- the show was on locally after a program that was hosted by a friend of mine, and produced by a high school friend, so I listened to them nightly. Then Art came on, and I'd listen for awhile. It was entertaining, for sure.

Back in the 70's, I co-hosted a 12:00-5:00am radio show on a 50 thousand watt station in Dallas, once a month. Subject, UFO's. My co-host was a female physic. She, pro-ufo, me sceptic.

474 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:32:09pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

I can haz Tamiflutrails?

475 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:32:26pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton
How much adult beverages did you keep on hand?

476 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:32:30pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

The same people who are giving you cancer on purpose with your flu shot so purple yogurt will come out of your nose.

Here I thought that was to impregnate men with a 35 foot long eel with a rabbits head.

//

477 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:33:19pm

re: #476 Gus 802

No more brown acid.

478 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:34:19pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

Back in the 70's, I co-hosted a 12:00-5:00am radio show on a 50 thousand watt station in Dallas, once a month. Subject, UFO's. My co-host was a female physic. She, pro-ufo, me sceptic.

Yeah. I always love it how there was never any UFO siting prior to the onset of 1950s science fiction movies.

I know they have their "explanations."

479 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:34:49pm

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

Princess Diana and JFK were both ritually assassinated. The Earth is hollow, and secretly ruled by the Secret Reptilian Brotherhood from Alpha Draconis (or was it the Fourth Dimension?), who regularly practice ritual Satanic murder and child molestation. Francis Bacon was Shakespeare; Jesus Christ never existed; Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles are shapeshifters who assert world control through a vast international banking network.

[Link: www.disinfo.com...]

Heh. New word. "Conspiriology." Like that.

480 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:35:16pm

re: #478 Gus 802
Pssst...."Flying saucers" 1947.

481 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:35:50pm

re: #469 pingjockey

This radio has a hand crank to charge it and solar cells! Damn, I can't think of the companies name.

C. Crane Co.

482 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:35:51pm

re: #476 Gus 802

Here I thought that was to impregnate men with a 35 foot long eel with a rabbits head.

//

That one I want to witness!

483 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:35:51pm

re: #477 jaunte

No more brown acid.

Summer of love. Giant eel meets white rabbit in Haight-Ashbury. //

484 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:35:56pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I can haz Xanaztrails? That sounds more fun.

/

485 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:36:07pm

re: #475 pingjockey

How much adult beverages did you keep on hand?

None, but we were allowed to smoke in the studio in those days. Most of the booze was on the other end of the phone lines, around 2:20am, about 20 minutes after the bars closed.

You'd be surprised how many UFO you can see at 2:30 in the morning on a Sat. night, all across the southwest, when you just left a bar.

486 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:36:28pm

re: #480 pingjockey

Pssst...."Flying saucers" 1947.

Ah, thanks. I was going to say 1949.

OK, late 1940s. 1947! :)

487 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:36:35pm

re: #483 Gus 802

Puts me in mind of a horror comic I read once...

488 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:36:35pm

re: #481 talon_262
That's it. Bingo! Yooz git da gold starz!

489 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:36:38pm

re: #482 Dianna

That one I want to witness!

God forbid...then they'd have to kill you.

490 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:37:19pm

re: #489 Cato the Elder

God forbid...then they'd have to kill you.

They could try!

Actually, the problem would be stifling my giggles.

491 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:37:39pm

re: #487 jaunte

Puts me in mind of a horror comic I read once...

Zombie hippies with outer space alien-monsters? In west San Francisco?

492 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:37:49pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

The same people who are giving you cancer on purpose with your flu shot so purple yogurt will come out of your nose.

Yikes. I wonder what's gonna happen to me then, since I just got my second Hepatitis A vax today? My arm is a little sore. ZOMG...they implanted an alien fairy in there!

493 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:38:51pm

re: #486 Gus 802
1st documented IIRC, ufo siting. Guy was flying past Mt Ranier here in WA state and saw half a dozen disc shaped objects he described as "flying through the air like saucers skimming across a pond".

494 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #491 Gus 802

The unspeakable horrors of Arkham Pelosi Asylum.

495 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:39:38pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton
Odd how that happens!

496 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:40:24pm

Good night folks! Have fun!

497 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:40:32pm

re: #493 pingjockey

1st documented IIRC, ufo siting. Guy was flying past Mt Ranier here in WA state and saw half a dozen disc shaped objects he described as "flying through the air like saucers skimming across a pond".

Ah, was probably a couple of P-80 Shooting Stars. They can have a disc shape look from afar.

498 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:40:58pm

By the way, that pack of N95 respirators I bought on Amazon yesterday?

The price has since gone up nearly 100%, ditto shipping, and the delivery estimate has changed from a few days to 3 to 5 weeks.

Just sayin'.

499 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:41:09pm

re: #494 jaunte

The unspeakable horrors of Arkham Pelosi Asylum.

The Scream

500 KronoGhazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:42:56pm

Charles Johnson’s disenchantment with a movement he did much to create is more likely a function of his contrary nature than his active conscience, but it would be ungracious to pry overmuch.

Joshua,

You speak with authority about someone's integrity which you know nothing about. That makes you an ignorant asshole. I bet your hate mails end with passive aggressive 'Have a Nice Day.' The only difference between you and the mail haters is that you have a caste of graciousness and can spell and form sentences. The reality is that you can only spell and form sentences: you have no grace or integrity.

Sincerely, BigPapa

501 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:43:28pm

re: #454 Dianna

I miss Art Bell. He was just so nuts, I could listen for hours, and play "let's create one grand conspiracy!"

I second you on missing Art...he got me through a lot of late nights that I worked as a guard at the Peterbilt plant here in Nashville from 1997-2002. While I don't think he bought into everything his guests talked about, he certainly was the consummate showman. He knew what his audience wanted and he gave it to them, no matter how odd or crazy some of the subject matter (or guests) might be. He had a knack for asking the right questions of his guests to keep listeners wanting more, something that his successors (including George Noori) have never been able to duplicate, IMHO.

502 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:43:58pm

re: #495 pingjockey

Odd how that happens!

It was a blast. You would have one person call from, let's say Abeline. They saw something in the sky, traveling west. Well, the next thing you know, you are getting calls from every little west Texas town from Abeline to the New mexico border.

You could track that UFO on a map.

And as each call came in, the UFO became bigger and better. "I saw it, it had 3 windows on it," "I saw it too, but I saw some little creatures standing in the windows."

By the time it crossed the texas/New Mexico border, it was a fleet of starships and they were picking up cattle right and left.

Live overnight radio, another world.

503 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:47:13pm

re: #502 Walter L. Newton

I'm laughing too hard for my own good, here!

504 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:48:28pm

re: #502 Walter L. Newton

It was a blast. You would have one person call from, let's say Abeline. They saw something in the sky, traveling west. Well, the next thing you know, you are getting calls from every little west Texas town from Abeline to the New mexico border.

You could track that UFO on a map.

And as each call came in, the UFO became bigger and better. "I saw it, it had 3 windows on it," "I saw it too, but I saw some little creatures standing in the windows."

By the time it crossed the texas/New Mexico border, it was a fleet of starships and they were picking up cattle right and left.

Live overnight radio, another world.

You ever notice how "UFOs" never go anywhere outside of the outback of the United States? They're always going to West Texas or somewhere in New Mexico. They never seem to go to NYC or Los Angeles.

Now, if I were flying around in a UFO from some far off planet I'd be zipping around Chicago and scaring people just for the fun of it. Perhaps land in Central Park for a couple of minutes and create some fake fog with my alien super powers. Or maybe even call for a fleet of UFOs to make several runs across the world and at metropolitan locations.

Nah. Instead they're all checking out the pasture.

//

505 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:49:53pm

re: #503 Dianna

I'm laughing too hard for my own good, here!

It's the truth, and I'm glad you got a good laugh out of it. It was all I could do to not laugh. And of course, I had my co-host, Sandra Senness, a physic, talking away, telling the person how interested she was in the sighting (se was interested) and I'm trying to calm people down and get some facts.

Rarely did the facts get in the way of the truth. LOL.

506 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:50:58pm

re: #504 Gus 802

That, or playing Alien Proctologist on some poor drunken hick no one is ever going to believe.

507 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:51:43pm

re: #506 Dianna

That, or playing Alien Proctologist on some poor drunken hick no one is ever going to believe.

Anal probe for one, sir?

508 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:53:23pm

re: #506 Dianna

That, or playing Alien Proctologist on some poor drunken hick no one is ever going to believe.

Right, it's illogical. You think they would have "borrowed" Carl Sagan or some other great mind. Nah, instead the apparent UFO conversation is something akin to: Ranlak we must go to Earth and study the humans. I suggest we abduct that drunk guy down there in the beat up car in the middle of Arizona.

509 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:53:42pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

I wouldn't expect it to, really.

Having known my share of "psychics" and others just aching to leap off the cliff of sanity for the fun of the glorious free-fall through clear air, and with no regard for the nasty "splat" at the end of the journey, all I can say is that it's all about the fun.

Mostly because you can't save them from themselves, and it's laugh or scream.

510 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:54:51pm

re: #508 Gus 802

Right, it's illogical. You think they would have "borrowed" Carl Sagan or some other great mind. Nah, instead the apparent UFO conversation is something akin to: Ranlak we must go to Earth and study the humans. I suggest we abduct that drunk guy down there in the beat up car in the middle of Arizona.

The only explanation is that they're drunk teenagers joyriding in daddy's car.

511 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:55:13pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

Sandra Senness, a physic

Bottle her and sell her - make a mint. :D

512 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:56:02pm

re: #511 Catttt

Sandra Senness, a physic

Bottle her and sell her - make a mint. :D

They're a dime a dozen. It's positively terrifying how many really attractive young women have no rational thought processes.

513 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:56:13pm

re: #510 Dianna

The only explanation is that they're drunk teenagers joyriding in daddy's car.

Yep. Where "UFO sighting" is more or less a tradition by now.

514 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:56:51pm

re: #506 Dianna

That, or playing Alien Proctologist on some poor drunken hick no one is ever going to believe.

My brother once had a major wiggins after reading Whitley Strieber. He was quite seduced by the various PhDs who came out in favor of alien abduction stories.

The historical Jesus, on the other hand, he has a problem with.

515 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:57:29pm

re: #513 Gus 802

Yep. Where "UFO sighting" is more or less a tradition by now.

I briefly dated a fellow who wrote a book debunking UFOs. He actually could be very funny on the subject.

516 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:57:44pm

re: #512 Dianna

They're a dime a dozen. It's positively terrifying how many really attractive young women have no rational thought processes.

Because they're conditioned that way. Being smart is for "ugly" girls.

517 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:58:18pm

re: #509 Dianna

I wouldn't expect it to, really.

Having known my share of "psychics" and others just aching to leap off the cliff of sanity for the fun of the glorious free-fall through clear air, and with no regard for the nasty "splat" at the end of the journey, all I can say is that it's all about the fun.

Mostly because you can't save them from themselves, and it's laugh or scream.

Gee, I spelt psychic wrong.

Anyway, you're right. I use to be wrapped up in that, in the 60's and 70's, but in sort of a sceptic way. I had over 1000 books on the paranormal, but was never convinced, I was more like a James Randi. But, I kept an open mind either way.

Nothing ever came of it.

Hell, I'm one of those people who would die to have a UFO land right at my doorstep and open the front hatch. I'd be on board in a New York minute.

Dreams.

518 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:58:41pm

re: #514 Cato the Elder

My brother once had a major wiggins after reading Whitley Strieber. He was quite seduced by the various PhDs who came out in favor of alien abduction stories.

The historical Jesus, on the other hand, he has a problem with.

Oh.

I tried to read Strieber, and giggled so hard I actually caused people to move away from me on public transit.

Though that happened reading Terry Pratchett and Tom Holt, too.

519 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:58:55pm

re: #515 Dianna

I briefly dated a fellow who wrote a book debunking UFOs. He actually could be very funny on the subject.

Probably because most of the people in the UFO community are a rather laughable bunch. They are almost from Hollywood central casting.

520 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:01:27pm

re: #512 Dianna

They're a dime a dozen. It's positively terrifying how many really attractive young women have no rational thought processes.

Young men too, of course. Mimbos.

The number of people who get by on good skin and teeth is a matter for psychobiologists.

And the lack of talent that can be fudged out of a recording session with today's tone correction software means that instead of Susan Boyle we get hot young things of both sexes who couldn't live-sing their way out of a Sharks/Jets confrontation if their Xanax prescriptions depended on it...

521 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:01:42pm

re: #512 Dianna

They're a dime a dozen. It's positively terrifying how many really attractive young women have no rational thought processes.

Well, looks like Sandra is still around, a book...

[Link: www.catharsisbooks.com...]

That's her for sure, she had a number of medicine woman books out in the past. She was part native-american.

She was from Las Vegas, had the Morticia (sp?) Adams slinky look. She may be back in Vegas, I don't know.

522 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:01:47pm

re: #512 Dianna

They're a dime a dozen. It's positively terrifying how many really attractive young women have no rational thought processes.

But she's a PHYSIC.

Physic, noun: a medicine that purges; cathartic; laxative.

Get it? Jab jab, wink wink. :D

523 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:01:49pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Probably because most of the people in the UFO community are a rather laughable bunch. They are almost from Hollywood central casting.

Having known my share of absolutely appalling skeptics, I'd say there's no shortage of madness out there.

What I've really noticed is that if people wear sweaters that smell of sweat, they're not sane. No matter how "rational" their point of view on one subject. At some point, they will spout utter madness.

It's become a thing I look for, and even gently probe at.

524 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:02:27pm

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

Well, looks like Sandra is still around, a book...

[Link: www.catharsisbooks.com...]

That's her for sure, she had a number of medicine woman books out in the past. She was part native-american.

She was from Las Vegas, had the Morticia (sp?) Adams slinky look. She may be back in Vegas, I don't know.

Good God. You were serious. She IS a physic. How weird.

525 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:02:27pm

re: #520 Cato the Elder

Don't make me cry!

526 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:03:11pm

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

Well, looks like Sandra is still around, a book...

[Link: www.catharsisbooks.com...]

That's her for sure, she had a number of medicine woman books out in the past. She was part native-american.

She was from Las Vegas, had the Morticia (sp?) Adams slinky look. She may be back in Vegas, I don't know.

I haven't encountered her, personally, though I've probably seen her books.

527 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:04:22pm

re: #524 Catttt

Try looking for "Everyday Life in Two Worlds."

528 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:05:58pm

re: #523 Dianna

Having known my share of absolutely appalling skeptics, I'd say there's no shortage of madness out there.

What I've really noticed is that if people wear sweaters that smell of sweat, they're not sane. No matter how "rational" their point of view on one subject. At some point, they will spout utter madness.

It's become a thing I look for, and even gently probe at.

Must come from wearing their sweaters to be and sweating in their dreams. I've actually never met a real like UFO-nut. I have run into some troofers but that was about it. They're have similar personalities.

529 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:06:39pm

re: #524 Catttt

Good God. You were serious. She IS a physic. How weird.

No, I wasn't kidding. She's Native-American, a medicine woman, did seminars and that type of stuff.

But take it from me, an expert in the magical stage arts, she was a "phony." I put that in quotes because she believed she was a adept, so, she was, you know how that goes.

I just read a review of that book on Amazon, by someone who know her, and it says she is 70 plus years old, which makes sense, she was about 15 years older than me when I knew her.

Small world, well, large internet.

530 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:07:24pm

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

Well, looks like Sandra is still around, a book...

[Link: www.catharsisbooks.com...]

That's her for sure, she had a number of medicine woman books out in the past. She was part native-american.

She was from Las Vegas, had the Morticia (sp?) Adams slinky look. She may be back in Vegas, I don't know.

"Myself unto myself shall give
This name: catharsis-purgative..."
--James Joyce

LOL

531 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:08:11pm

re: #528 Gus 802

Must come from wearing their sweaters to be and sweating in their dreams. I've actually never met a real like UFO-nut. I have run into some troofers but that was about it. They're have similar personalities.

You can count me in as a UFO nut, in the sense, I'm up on the subject, but I remain a sceptic.

And I do wear the same sweater a lot, but it doesn't smell, I don't think?

532 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:09:06pm

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

You can count me in as a UFO nut, in the sense, I'm up on the subject, but I remain a sceptic.

And I do wear the same sweater a lot, but it doesn't smell, I don't think?

Um?

Get it cleaned, Walter. Trust me on this.

533 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:09:20pm

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

You can count me in as a UFO nut, in the sense, I'm up on the subject, but I remain a sceptic.

And I do wear the same sweater a lot, but it doesn't smell, I don't think?

Sniff...sniff...

Good from where I sit.

534 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:09:52pm

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

You can count me in as a UFO nut, in the sense, I'm up on the subject, but I remain a sceptic.

And I do wear the same sweater a lot, but it doesn't smell, I don't think?

Right, I meant people that aren't skeptics but make it a vocation.

My sweater smells like an ash tray.

535 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:10:45pm

re: #407 Mich-again

LOLZ yeah, a cost-cutting measure.

I'm kinda surprised the AF 1 pilot flew the mission. It was a really, really dumb thing to do.

536 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:10:46pm

A vocation that supports UFO sightings without question.

Like Jeff Peckman.

537 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:10:54pm

Me to bed. And remember, fasten your seat belt, it makes it harder for them to suck you out of your car.

538 Catttt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:11:04pm

re: #527 Dianna

Try looking for "Everyday Life in Two Worlds."

OK, that's a psychic - they're a dime a dozen.

Physic or psychic?

So - does she do woo woo stuff or make people go poo poo?

539 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:11:43pm

re: #537 Walter L. Newton

Me to bed. And remember, fasten your seat belt, it makes it harder for them to suck you out of your car.

Later. Watch out for the giant Peckman Ailien!

540 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:11:56pm

re: #538 Catttt

It really depends on when you catch her.

Google her name, and you will be surprised.

541 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:12:00pm

Well, and with that, I'm off to Steven King land, folks. All the jabber about The Stand yesterday and I just had to go and download Salem's Lot for the iPhone.

See you in a couple of days...

[sinks slowly into a torpor of terror-induced hypohydratred hypnosis]

542 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:12:07pm

re: #538 Catttt

OK, that's a psychic - they're a dime a dozen.

Physic or psychic?

So - does she do woo woo stuff or make people go poo poo?

I spelled it wrong... she does woo woo. Goodnight.

543 wiffersnapper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:13:08pm

He's just jealous, Charles ;)

544 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:14:18pm

Hmm- maybe I an invisible....

I think it's true though. Girls condition other girls into think intelligence isn't cool.

545 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:14:23pm

Here's another one.

Gary McKinnon

He even looks like an "alien."

546 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:15:13pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

Hmm- maybe I an invisible....

I think it's true though. Girls condition other girls into thinking intelligence isn't cool.

PIYF. Good theory though.

547 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:15:29pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

Hmm- maybe I an invisible....

I think it's true though. Girls condition other girls into think intelligence isn't cool.

I didn't notice.

Maybe that explains a lot about my childhood and youth?

548 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:18:33pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

Hmm- maybe I an invisible....

I think it's true though. Girls condition other girls into think intelligence isn't cool.

You're right, of course. And I can see you just fine.

Boys do it too - just as much, if not more. Don't believe me? Try being the kid who uses four-syllable words when the gym teacher isn't looking.

Black kids call it "acting white". There's got to be a Hispanic version, too.

Dumbing down begins in kindergarten, and it's perpetrated by kids on kids just as much as by the educators.

Without parents to uphold the reading ethos, kids are mostly lost.

549 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:19:02pm

I guess it's time to walk the dogs and head for bed. Otherwise, we're all being marvellously silly to no purpose.

Nighty-night!

550 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:19:39pm

re: #549 Dianna

I guess it's time to walk the dogs and head for bed. Otherwise, we're all being marvellously silly to no purpose.

Nighty-night!

Don't forget to look up at the sky!

Someone is watching!

Later

551 Promethea  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:34:04pm

re: #380 Killian Bundy

Man, this whole White House idea to "buzz Manhattan with a low flying, maneuvering 747, being chased by two F-16s photo op" isn't going away anytime soon.

/thousands of New Yorkers are really pissed about being scared half to death, there were even injuries

I sure hope the Big O gets some bad publicity over this. I still can't understand how New Yorkers could have voted for this incompetent zero. Surely, of all people, they should understand the need for serious protection against jihadists.

I guess they aren't as sophisticated as they think they are.

552 Render  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:24:27pm

So now they wanna hang Charles eh?

Not while I still live, breathe, and can still pull a trigger.

If I cannot defend Mr. Johnson from harm, be forewarned, I will avenge him.

COLD
SILENCE,
R

553 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 2:08:42am
554 medaura18586  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 7:39:42am

re: #112 Charles

Exactly right -- and there's a lot of money behind them too, financing these people to promote revisionism.

A lot of Russian petro-dollars... Given his despicable revisionist treatment of the Kosovo issue (chock-full of Belgrada propaganda talking points), this is a classic and ironic case of projection (from his blog post):

The list of major sins looks something like this:

# Enthusiastic and uncritical identification with right-wing politics and policies.
# Inability to distinguish critiques of Islam from critiques of Muslims.
# Willingness to associate with racists.
# Credulity in subscribing to conspiracy theories. (Viz.)
# Inability to formulate and advocate meaningful public policy.

In this light, the anti-jihad movement is something far less than a considered intellectual tendency. Instead, it is an attitude of inchoate belligerence, with its only consistent focal point being hatred of the Muslim. “The Muslim,” depending on what that means, may give one much to hate; but to hate him (and her) per se is to commit a grave error. The first and most compelling reason for this is, of course, that each individual (of any stripe) deserves to be judged as such. On a broader level, post-9/11 rhetoric and sentiment may be as they are — and I’ve indulged in both in full measure — but we are not in fact at actual war with Islam or Muslims at large. As such, to adopt a stance of conscious and deliberate hate is to indulge in the mental precursor of genuine and terrible crimes.

555 KronoGhazi  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 7:54:02am

re: #553 redseeped

With logic like that:

Since you would laugh at the notion of 'responsible anti-jihadism,' does that mean the only credible anti-jihadism (to not be laughed at) is irresponsible?


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