A State of Delusion

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As delusional diplomats continue pushing for a Palestinian state living in peace next to Israel (a state that might be named “Fantasyland,” with apologies to Walt Disney), “moderate” Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas rejects calling Israel a Jewish state.

JERUSALEM — The Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, on Monday dismissed a demand by Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, underscoring the considerable gaps between the sides.

“I do not accept it,” Mr. Abbas said in a speech in Ramallah, in the West Bank. “It is not my job to give a description of the state. Name yourself the Hebrew Socialist Republic — it is none of my business,” he added, according to Reuters.

Have you ever seen a people more deserving of statehood?

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Soccer Dad’s comments, with links to other blogs discussing the story: What’s a jewish state got to do with it?

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124 comments
1 saylorfam  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:35:38am

More insanity

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:35:40am
“It is not my job to give a description of the state. Name yourself the Hebrew Socialist Republic — it is none of my business,”

Right- because your business to eradicate Israel completely.

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:36:26am

Let's give them a state!

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4 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:36:28am

But the 0bama administration is still pushing Israel to accept a Paliterrorist state.
I don't think they accept Israel as a Jewish state, either.

5 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:36:45am
(a state that might be named “Fantasyland,” with apologies to Walt Disney)

Why not? We've already got a couple of "Pirates of the Caribbean" states.

6 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:37:08am
Name yourself the Hebrew Socialist Republic — it is none of my business,” he added, according to Reuters.

He can go F*** himself.
Full.
Stop.

7 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:37:19am

If Fatah fails to recognize the State of Israel, then fuck them. Israel is there, and has a right to merely exist, regardless of whether Abbas wants to acknowledge it or not. Of course, Abbas is a "moderate" terrorist, meaning he uses "diplomacy" rather than rocket launchers (maybe because he lacks them).

8 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:37:39am

Okay, how about a Zionist state?

9 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:38:01am

As I posted the other day: It is not a coincidence that all the Jew and Israel hate is coming out of the woodwork and out of the "moderates" now that President Bush is out of office and the "Moral Equivalence" "Honest Brokers" are in town. Fasten your seat belts folks, it's gonna be a rocky road ahead.

10 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:38:25am
“I do not accept it,” Mr. Abbas said in a speech in Ramallah, in the West Bank. “It is not my job to give a description of the state. Name yourself the Hebrew Socialist Republic — it is none of my business,” he added, according to Reuters.

M'kay, Mahmoud, and so by the same token, you're perfectly alright with our referring to your political entity as TerrorWelfareStateIstan?

11 jcm  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:38:33am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Let's give them a state!

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Let them eat cake!

12 redheadredstate  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:38:37am

If this guys a "moderate" which indicates a degree of give and take then I can only imagine what the "radicals" are like. Oh never mind, they're the splodydopes! I'm not Jewish but it is easy to see that these are not the kinds of people who you can have a dialog with much less exist next door to them.

13 VegasRick  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

If Fatah fails to recognize the State of Israel, then fuck them. Israel is there, and has a right to merely exist, regardless of whether Abbas wants to acknowledge it or not. Of course, Abbas is a "moderate" terrorist, meaning he uses "diplomacy" rather than rocket launchers (maybe because he lacks them).

If Fatah fails to recognize the State of Israel, then fuck them. Israel is there, and has a right to merely exist, regardless of whether Abbas wants to acknowledge it or not. Of course, Abbas is a "moderate" terrorist, meaning he uses "diplomacy" rather than rocket launchers (maybe because he lacks them).

14 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:38:58am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

M'kay, Mahmoud, and so by the same token, you're perfectly alright with our referring to your political entity as TerrorWelfareStateIstan?

I prefer to refer to them as "the illegal occupiers of Jewish land".

15 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:39:01am

Mexico on Tuesday launched an official complaint to Israel regarding Deputy Health Minister Ya'acov Litzman's suggestion to call swine flu "Mexican flu" in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork.

Mexico's Ambassador to Israel Frederico Salas complained to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem that the name Mexican influenza was bothersome and worrying.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Get a life will ya!

16 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:40:27am

I don't see why it should be our business to help these people if they can't agree to be honest brokers by conceding Israel's right to exist. They should not receive a single American cent until they agree to this one point.

17 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:40:35am

Obama’s Foreign Policy Disasters
Frontpage Interview with Victor Davis Hanson


FP: The Obama administration apparently is set to give 900 million to Hamas. In other words, they want to give money to the Palestinian Nazi Party. What do you make of this? What must Obama do toward Hamas, the Iranian-backed Hezbollah, etc? Do you think he will do it and/or is he even capable or cognizant of what is actually going on and what is at stake?

Hanson: I am very worried. Israel I think is alone now. The failed Freeman appointment, the historically puerile al-Arabiya interview (cf. e.g., Obama's praise of the good ole days, some thirty years ago, when Sadat was murdered, Khomeini took over, Saddam was flexing his muscles, Americans were routinely murdered, etc.) the Samantha Power appointment, the 'outreach' to Syria, the video for Iran, the Gaza/Hamas rebuilding, the tough behind-the-scenes lectures to Israel—all this bodes ill.

Does Team Obama really believe that a murderous autocratic cabal like Hamas is merely different from a democratic constitutional republic like Israel? At best we have naiveté at the helm (Obama thinks he can mesmerize misunderstood killers), at worst, a genuine feeling that Israel is an aggressive, Western imperialist power exploiting indigenous people of color who simply wish to be free--in other words, the Rev. Wright-Bill Ayers-Rashid Khalidi view of the Middle East.

RTWFT!

18 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:40:49am

re: #12 redheadredstate

If this guys a "moderate" which indicates a degree of give and take then I can only imagine what the "radicals" are like. Oh never mind, they're the splodydopes! I'm not Jewish but it is easy to see that these are not the kinds of people who you can have a dialog with much less exist next door to them.

By the way, when all the guys were falling all over you because you had red hair, I failed to mention I love red hair also. Sigh.....

19 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:01am

They won't acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state because they still demand the "Right of Return" to swarm what is left of Israel with "refugees" even after they get their very own, brand new, Jew-free state.

It's the "2 State Solution" = Palestinians get their own state, and they get the Jewish state.

20 toadbelly  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:03am

I prefer "Super-Jew Happy Fun Time State"

21 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:09am

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Mexico on Tuesday launched an official complaint to Israel regarding Deputy Health Minister Ya'acov Litzman's suggestion to call swine flu "Mexican flu" in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork.

Mexico's Ambassador to Israel Frederico Salas complained to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem that the name Mexican influenza was bothersome and worrying.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Get a life will ya!

I think that admonition could apply to either party here, to be frank.

22 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:13am

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Mexico on Tuesday launched an official complaint to Israel regarding Deputy Health Minister Ya'acov Litzman's suggestion to call swine flu "Mexican flu" in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork.

Mexico's Ambassador to Israel Frederico Salas complained to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem that the name Mexican influenza was bothersome and worrying.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Get a life will ya!

Actually, I think Mexico was being appropriate on that matter. They don't want to be associated with a deadly virus like that. I say keep the name as swine flu.

23 VegasRick  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:18am

Zero is talking again. Does this asshole have a job?

24 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:25am

re: #5 Occasional Reader

Why not? We've already got a couple of "Pirates of the Caribbean" states.

Why does that shot remind me of Weekend at Bernies?

25 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:41:53am
26 dhg4  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:42:04am

And let's not forget that in addition to giving the "moderate" Fatah folks a pass on this, the administraiton appears to be relaxing its conditions for diplomatically recognizing "extremist" Hamas.

27 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:42:10am
Have you ever seen a people more deserving of statehood?

Since the palis and their leadership are at least as corrupt as our congress and the current executive branch, then yes?

/

28 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:42:37am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

There is already a two-state solution in place: Israel and Jordan.

I support the right of the "Palestinians" to return to Jordan, which constitutes the bulk of the land that comprised the Palestine Mandate.

Yep. Ain't gonna happen, though. The mythology is in place.

29 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:42:46am

Iran is telling Abbass what to say
otherwise their money dries up

question is how to deal with a nuclear Iran

30 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:42:59am

re: #23 VegasRick

Zero is talking again. Does this asshole have a job?

Pontificator in Chief

31 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:43:28am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

I support the right of the "Palestinians" to return to Jordan

Of course, the Jordanian army registered their most vigorous objections to that idea, in September of 1970.

32 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:43:31am

re: #27 Leonidas Hoplite

Since the palis and their leadership are at least as corrupt as our congress and the current executive branch, then yes?

/

Does that make them #59 or 60? Since I am a stooopid "conservative", I can't keep up with all these smart, handsome Obamacrats.

/

33 Irish Rose  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:43:48am

re: #16 Sharmuta

I don't see why it should be our business to help these people if they can't agree to be honest brokers by conceding Israel's right to exist. They should not receive a single American cent until they agree to this one point.

Exactly.

34 kansas  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:43:54am

OT. Just hit my spam filter. This gives me the bullshit flu.
[Link: www.democrats.org...]

35 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:04am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

Of course, the Jordanian army registered their most vigorous objections to that idea, in September of 1970.

Duh, no "refugee camps", no free publicity and "aid".

36 justabill  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:13am

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

If Fatah fails to recognize the State of Israel, then fuck them. Israel is there, and has a right to merely exist, regardless of whether Abbas wants to acknowledge it or not. Of course, Abbas is a "moderate" terrorist, meaning he uses "diplomacy" rather than in addition to rocket launchers.

FTFY

37 VegasRick  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:16am

re: #21 Occasional Reader

I think that admonition could apply to either party here, to be frank.

It's a bunch of Bologna.

38 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:38am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

There is already a two-state solution in place: Israel and Jordan.

I support the right of the "Palestinians" to return to Jordan, which constitutes the bulk of the land that comprised the Palestine Mandate.


But then King Abdullah might have to move to Palm Beach or Beverly Hills and fast?

39 dhg4  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:54am

Charles asks:

Have you ever seen a people more deserving of statehood?

Elder of Ziyon answers:

Fatah moderates fight - each other.

As if more proof was needed.

40 redheadredstate  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:58am

re: #18 Nevergiveup

By the way, when all the guys were falling all over you because you had red hair, I failed to mention I love red hair also. Sigh.....

Where were you guys when I was dating darn it! My hubby married me in spite of my red hair and I married him in spite of his having none.

41 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:44:58am
42 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:45:01am

re: #16 Sharmuta

I don't see why it should be our business to help these people if they can't agree to be honest brokers by conceding Israel's right to exist. They should not receive a single American cent until they agree to this one point.

As a one-up, freeze the bank accounts that the money is being directed to until the right has been stated.

43 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:45:24am

re: #23 VegasRick

Zero is talking again. Does this asshole have a job?

Obama needs his narcissistic supply.

44 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:45:41am

re: #37 VegasRick

It's a bunch of Bologna.

You are Sau Sage to recognize that grind.

45 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:45:42am

another name for the "Palestinian" state

rocketattackistan
killcilivistan
humanshieldistan
terrortuga

46 jcm  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:45:56am

re: #23 VegasRick

Zero is talking again. Does this asshole have a job?

To tell the rest of us how important, smart and cool he is.

47 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:00am
48 Dianna  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:05am

re: #16 Sharmuta

I don't see why it should be our business to help these people if they can't agree to be honest brokers by conceding Israel's right to exist. They should not receive a single American cent until they agree to this one point.

That would assume the current administration isn't locked into a notion that all it takes is a little more talking. Unfortunately, they are.

49 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:09am

So sick of this nonsense... They've never gotten along... They will never get along... So sad.

50 midwestgak  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:14am

Absurd reasoning by the administration on Hamas-Fatah unity government
By Ed Lasky

. . . Sure seems as if this administration is going to great lengths to ensure our taxpayer dollars flow to a "unity" government. Where is that unwavering support for Israel pledged numerous times during the campaign?.

So, Hamas gets a few acceptable Hamas flunkies to say the right words in English and, voila - taxpayer money flows to a terror group

Hey but not to worry. According to officials in the Obama administration:

the change does not represent a new policy toward Hamas, but merely a change in language applied toward a prospective Palestinian unity government.

That is diplomatic-speak for "Israel-You are Screwed."

51 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:16am
Name yourself the Hebrew Socialist Republic — it is none of my business

Abbas must be channeling McCain's "You can call it a banana, if you want to."

52 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:22am

re: #18 Nevergiveup

By the way, when all the guys were falling all over you because you had red hair, I failed to mention I love red hair also. Sigh.....

Yeah, I have a weakness for readheads too but could never get one to return the affection...

53 VegasRick  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:23am

re: #46 jcm

To tell the rest of us how important, smart and cool he is.

Yep.

54 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:46:35am

re: #42 MrSilverDragon

As a one-up, freeze the bank accounts that the money is being directed to until the right has been stated.

Screw that- 0bama can give me the money, and I promise I won't kill innocent civilians with it.

55 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #15 Nevergiveup

Mexico on Tuesday launched an official complaint to Israel regarding Deputy Health Minister Ya'acov Litzman's suggestion to call swine flu "Mexican flu" in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork.

Mexico's Ambassador to Israel Frederico Salas complained to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem that the name Mexican influenza was bothersome and worrying.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Get a life will ya!

How about the "Atzlan flu"

56 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:47:33am

re: #17 Kenneth

Obama’s Foreign Policy Disasters
Frontpage Interview with Victor Davis Hanson

RTWFT!

Absolutely - read it all!
Some excellent stuff in there.

57 samsgran1948  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:47:53am

I'm reading the ARc of a book titled Myths, Illusions & Peace: Finding a New Direction For America in the Middle East by Dennis Ross and Dvid Makovsky. (It'll be out in August.) I highly recommend it -- especially to Obambi. This book shoots all kinds of big holes in the Left's romance with the Palestinians. (It also shoots big holes in the Bush Administration's aloofness toward the Arab-Israeli conflict.)

58 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:48:11am

re: #55 Mr Spiffy

How about the "Atzlan flu"

Montezuma's Respiratory Tract Revenge?

59 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:48:25am

Shitistan.

60 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:48:27am
61 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #23 VegasRick

Zero is talking again. Does this asshole have a job?

His real job is above his pay grade...

62 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:48:55am

I suggest that Israel should rename Gaza - Stinking Shithole has a nice ring to it.

63 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:49:02am

re: #23 VegasRick

Yes, he sets up arial photo shoots.

64 alegrias  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:49:36am

re: #38 Nevergiveup

But then King Abdullah might have to move to Palm Beach or Beverly Hills and fast?

* * * *
I'm sick of King Abdullah and his Palestinian Queen Rania jet-setting with the EU & Spanish royals in Palma de Mallorca, Spain, with rows of black mercedes lined up next to the royals' gigantic yachts. Last week they were here in Washington, DC meeting with Pres. Obama and First Lady Michelle for photo ops and no doubt, special messages to their antisemitic followers.

These losers live like royalty prancing at UN & UNESCO functions while their people remain hate filled medieval thirdworlders.

65 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:49:42am

re: #23 VegasRick

Reminds me of a t-shirt I once saw: Your lips are moving, but all I hear is blah, blah, blah.

66 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:49:45am

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

The current mythology is of recent vintage. The only way to change it is to call for the existing two-state solution--Israel/Jordan--as a way of reshuffling the deck.

No one is going to even try. The "Arab street" is overwhelmingly younger than the current mythology. Therefore it is FACT to them. It won't just be seething.

There is no one in office or even on the horizon with enough balls to take it on, IMO.

67 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:50:35am

re: #63 WriterMom

Yes, he sets up arial photo shoots.

Yeah, he now think's he Howard Hughes...

68 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:50:37am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

Funny isn't it how Palestinians somehow manage to (ahem) overstay their welcome everywhere they go?

69 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:50:48am

All done being concerned with the Mideast peace process. Not gonna happen, and I'm sure most of you can recite chapter and verse WHY not.
Flat don't give a damn about the Palis and their machinations from here on out. I'm not Jewish, but have had a long admiration for Israel and the determination they've shown, despite the odds.

I DO believe Israel will action in it's own best interests in the future--as they must. Whatever form that self-interest takes, at least they'll have my encouragement and support, for whatever that means.

70 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:51:32am

Deathistan

71 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:51:44am

re: #54 Sharmuta

Screw that- 0bama can give me the money, and I promise I won't kill innocent civilians with it.

Yes, but then all your company are belong to him.

Remember the Lesson of the Porkulus.

72 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:52:11am

re: #68 WriterMom

Funny isn't it how Palestinians somehow manage to (ahem) overstay their welcome everywhere they go?

Brainstorming... you guys aren't really using Nunavut, are you?

73 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:52:26am
74 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:52:35am

Most people are not aware that the "two-state" solution that the Palestinians consider is: will we (Palestinians) allow a Jewish state (the second state) to exist?

It is not-as most people think-a phrase regarding the question of if Israel will allow the creation of a Palestinian state.

75 redheadredstate  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:52:37am

re: #65 WriterMom

Reminds me of a t-shirt I once saw: Your lips are moving, but all I hear is blah, blah, blah.

Reminds me of a song I heard once "If talk were criminal you'd lead a life of crime cause your mind is on vacation and your mouth is workin overtime"

76 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:54:19am

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Brainstorming... you guys aren't really using Nunavut, are you?

They can have none of it.

77 dhg4  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:54:57am

re: #19 Alouette

They won't acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state because they still demand the "Right of Return" to swarm what is left of Israel with "refugees" even after they get their very own, brand new, Jew-free state.

It's the "2 State Solution" = Palestinians get their own state, and they get the Jewish state.

It's not just the "right of return" that's an issue. (Though it is one. It's the one that the Palestinians publicize because it makes them seem sympathetic, at least superficially.)

It's also that the whole premise of Palestinian nationalism is based on the fiction that there are no historical ties between Jews and the land of Israel, as claimed in article 20 of their never renounced charter. Saying that Israel's not a Jewish state is another way of denying Jewish history. And it's not as symphathetic sounding as claiming the right to resettle their refugees.

78 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:55:20am

re: #72 Occasional Reader

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SUGGEST FOREIGN OCCUPAYSHUN OF CANADA!

79 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:55:43am

re: #75 redheadredstate

I know that song. A great country tune.

80 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:56:41am

re: #74 WriterMom

The "two state solution" assumes the conflict is about the size of Israel. It is not. The conflict has always been about the existence of Israel.

81 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:56:51am

Kenneth, Writermom... Oh, c'mon, you've got all that room, and what, 30 million people? You wouldn't even notice the Palis were there!

82 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:57:27am

re: #80 Kenneth

Kenneth-there was an excellent Glick piece about this a few weeks ago.

83 quickjustice  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:57:41am

To govern yourself as a nation, you have to have leadership that will step up to the plate and take on the tough issues on behalf of their constituents. The Palestinians never have had that. All they've had is kleptocracy. Arafat's uncle, Hitler's buddy, was as close as they got, and he was a kleptocrat in the pay of the Nazis too.

84 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:57:55am

re: #81 Occasional Reader

[WHACK]

85 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:59:07am

re: #82 WriterMom

Glick is always a must read. She cuts through he crap to the real issues.

86 WriterMom  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:59:55am

re: #85 Kenneth

I think she's a prophet.

87 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:00:27am

re: #81 Occasional Reader

They can have Melville island. I don't think we are using it.

88 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:00:45am

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

The Hashemites were originally in charge of Mecca; they were relocated to Jordan as a consolation prize when Britain gave the Saudi Royal Brigands the Arabian peninsula after WWI.

Depose the Saudi Royal Brigands; give the peninsula back to the Hashemites; give the "Palestinians" Jordan; let Israel be free, from the River to the Sea.

A one state solution I can live with...
but wouldn't that give the Jordyptians access to all that oil wealth?

89 debutaunt  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:01:24am

re: #23 VegasRick

Zero is talking again. Does this asshole have a job?

Teleprompter proofreader.

90 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:01:39am

re: #86 WriterMom

It is a strange situation when Egypt and Jordan feel it necessary to defend Israel against American criticism. But this is the situation in which we find ourselves today.

91 MJ  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:04:17am

Text of George W. Bush's letter to Ariel Sharon

...The United States is strongly committed to Israel's security and well-being as a Jewish state. It seems clear that an agreed, just, fair, and realistic framework for a solution to the Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will need to be found through the establishment of a Palestinian state, and the settling of Palestinian refugees there, rather than in Israel....

Can't be any clearer than that.

To hell with Abbas.
At some point Bibi is going to have to demand that the US live up to it's agreements.

The Clinton/Obama State department already recognized the concept of Israel as the Jewish State:

"As I said this morning, President Obama and I believe that the bond between the United States and Israel, and our commitment to Israel’s security and to its democracy as a Jewish state, remains fundamental, unshakable, and eternally durable."


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

92 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:05:10am
93 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:06:12am

re: #87 Kenneth

They can have Melville island. I don't think we are using it.

Seems fitting, since they do have a "for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!" sort of attitude.

94 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:06:44am

Media bias in the news today...

Time:

Visiting Daddy in Prison: A Palestinian Ordeal

Spending time with her dad requires that six-year-old Jinan undertake a bizarre and arduous odyssey. Usually, she travels alone, but last Monday, the Palestinian girl with the rosebud smile and bouncing energy was accompanied by her younger sisters, Dania, 4, and Noor, 2, on the journey to the Israeli prison that holds her father.

At home in the beleaguered West Bank town of Qalqilya, as her mother dressed her before dawn in an almond-green blouse and jeans, Jinan asks the same question she always does: "Mommy, why does Daddy have to sleep on the Israeli side?" And her mother, Salam Nazal, comforts her by saying: "Because that's where the best Palestinian men go to sleep, and your father is one of them." The town, which has elected a Hamas mayor, is known as a center of Palestinian militancy, and Israeli security forces conduct raids there on average five times a week.

...With so many Palestinians still locked up in Israel, demands for prisoner releases remain at the center of most Israeli-Palestinian political negotiations. Those behind bars are a lost generation of Palestinians, and it's a safe bet that their children, like Jinan and her sisters, will inherit their parents' bitterness toward Israel.

AFP:

Palestinian theatre offers youths a breath of freedom

JENIN, West Bank (AFP) – Bisam Astiti takes her role very seriously -- the theatre is one of the few places where the 13-year-old living in the stranglehold of Israeli occupation can feel free.

95 Danny  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:08:08am

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when OHB meets with Bebe next month.

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:08:36am

Apart from the question of Israel's right to exist, and Abbas' attitude toward that ...

Abbas is responsible for the well-being of his people. He is screwing his own people for his own politicized ends.

Abbas doesn't know how to spell "responsibility", and doesn't give a fiddler's damn about what "fiduciary" means.

97 redheadredstate  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:08:40am

re: #93 Occasional Reader

Seems fitting, since they do have a "for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!" sort of attitude.

The island has little or no vegetation. Where continuous vegetation occurs, it usually consists of hummocks of mosses, lichens, grasses, and sedges. The only woody species, the dwarf willow, grows as a dense twisted mat crawling along the ground. However, a diverse animal population exists: Polar Bear, Peary Caribou, musk ox, Northern Collared Lemming, Arctic Wolf, Arctic Fox, Arctic Hare, and Ermine (Stoat) are common

Are those halal?

98 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:11:43am

re: #97 redheadredstate

The island has little or no vegetation. Where continuous vegetation occurs, it usually consists of hummocks of mosses, lichens, grasses, and sedges. The only woody species, the dwarf willow, grows as a dense twisted mat crawling along the ground. However, a diverse animal population exists: Polar Bear, Peary Caribou, musk ox, Northern Collared Lemming, Arctic Wolf, Arctic Fox, Arctic Hare, and Ermine (Stoat) are common

Are those halal?

No - but they surely are protected, and thus may not be killed and eaten ...
On the other hand, mosses, lichen, grasses make a nice change from the desert, colourwise ...

99 Guanxi88  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:11:53am

So, since Avanti et al had pinned their hopes on moderation in HAMAS (a hope to be funded, but otherwise not encouraged), what do you suppose he'll make of Fatah's "change" of attitude?

Do you think he'll draw the appropriate conclusion, and suggest we start funding the PA more heavily, in hopes of moderating them, in order that their example will moderate HAMA, and thus two genocidal divisions of a terrorist state will come to be valid partners in a peace process that has thus far yielded nothing but death and ruin for Israel?

100 EaterOfFood  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:13:49am

It's also worth noting that today is Yom Hazikaron, which is an Israeli holiday to commemorate fallen soldiers and victims of terrorism. At the hands of people like Abbas.

101 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:19:55am

Israel's Arab cheerleaders

Egypt and Jordan are not alone in supporting Israel's commitment to preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power. American and other Western sources who have visited the Persian Gulf in recent months report that leaders of the Gulf states from Bahrain - which Iran refers to as its 14th province - to Saudi Arabia to Kuwait and, of course, to Iraq - are praying for Israel to strike Iran's nuclear facilities and only complain that it has waited so long to attack them.

As one American who recently met with Persian Gulf leaders explained last week, "As far as the Gulf leaders are concerned, Israel cannot attack Iran fast enough. They understand what the stakes are."

UNFORTUNATELY, THE nature of those stakes has clearly eluded the Obama administration. As the Arabs line up behind Israel, the Obama administration is operating under the delusion that the Iranians will be convinced to give up their nuclear program if Israel destroys its communities in Judea and Samaria.

Obama is eyeless in Gaza:

Promise was that I
Should Israel from Philistian yoke deliver;
Ask for this great Deliverer now, and find him
Eyeless in Gaza at the Mill with slaves,
Himself in bonds under Philistian yoke;

102 Caboose  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:22:12am

How 'bout if we call the real estate that Ab-ass and his Hamasholes infest DownRange-stan? Or FreeFireZone-istan? FireballZone-istine?

103 yochanan  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:22:16am

re: #70 Kenneth

cool stamp kenneth what's it worth now adays?
some were i have a 25 cent Canadian piece of paper money as well as some printed by the bank of nova scotia

104 Dreader1962  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:38:14am

OT: (Kind of)

Arlan Spector just changed to the Democratic Party, giving them a filibuster-proof majority.

This should not surprise anyone...

105 Dreader1962  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:40:10am

re: #104 Dreader1962

(spelling correction) Arlen Specter

106 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:40:30am

re: #103 yochanan

I have no idea what the stamp is worth. I used it for my avatar because I like Canadian beavers. From time to time I update my avatar with a new beaver.

Do you like beavers?

107 Rancher  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:48:41am

Recognizing a Jewish state negates a fundamental tenant of the Palestinians position, the right of return. It also negates another fundamental tenant, marching all Jews into the sea.

108 heyou  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:49:15am

re: #20 toadbelly

I prefer "Super-Jew Happy Fun Time State"

hi I don't comment much but that just gave me a good laugh. I'm trying to up-ding your comment but my dingy thingy isn't working ;-0 On a more serious note re: Super Jew Happy Fun Time State, may it be so!

109 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:54:18am

51 failed states.
1 Failed Pre-state.

110 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:00:27am

the palis constantly say they have absolutely NO interest in a state.
a state is not even on their list.
the top of their list is killing all the israelis, driving them into the sea,
and claiming all of israel as their own.
this may seem absurd to us, that the savages do NOT want peace but they
keep telling us this over and over again.
their goal is to annihilate israel. period.
we need to quit pretending that these disgusting barbarians want a fcking state.

111 Simply Me  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:29:02am

Please forgive me for being so dim. I didn't know there was another idea for a solution besides the "two state solution". What is the other solution? I really don't know.

112 Simply Me  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #111 Simply Me

Please forgive me for being so dim. I didn't know there was another idea for a solution besides the "two state solution". What is the other solution? I really don't know.

I mean one state incorporating Israel with the Palestinians isn't a viable solution for the Israelis and surely no one posting here is advocating that. So besides a "two state solution", what ideas are there?

113 The_Vig  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 11:54:10am

I think that any post about Israel with a reference, or apology to Walt Disney is funny. The rumors are that he was a bit of an anti-Semite.

114 ynahmias  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 12:07:17pm

"Have you ever seen a people more deserving of statehood?"
Every nation deserves the right for self-determination regardless of its set of beliefs or rampart insanity. This includes the Palestinian nation (which should be defined as Arabs from the general area which are not from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or identified as Bedouin or Druze). That said, due to the prevalent insanity in the population, a Palestinian state should be demilitarized, and preferably occupied by a rational power (hopefully something like NATO) until they grow up and start behaving like civilized nation.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 12:16:51pm

re: #21 Occasional Reader

I think that admonition could apply to either party here, to be frank.

Probably, although my mother has confessed that this seems like a creepier illness to her because it's named after pigs.

116 AZDave  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 12:19:17pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

M'kay, Mahmoud, and so by the same token, you're perfectly alright with our referring to your political entity as TerrorWelfareStateIstan Bumfuckastan?

There ya go, much more appropriate IMHO.

117 AZDave  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #13 VegasRick

If Fatah fails to recognize the State of Israel, then fuck them. Israel is there, and has a right to merely exist, regardless of whether Abbas wants to acknowledge it or not. Of course, Abbas is a "moderate" terrorist, meaning he uses "diplomacy" rather than rocket launchers (maybe because he lacks them).

Well said.

118 AZDave  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 12:32:24pm
...“moderate” Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas rejects calling Israel a Jewish state.

Let's face it, Folks, Abbu Numnutts and his ilk have been fucking around with this since 1948. Ain't nothin' gonna happen anytime soon that's going to lead to peace in the Middle East. Maybe if the Israelis nuke the Iranian reactors then maybe something.

119 marsl  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 2:28:06pm

re: #45 Adrenalyn

another name for the "Palestinian" state

rocketattackistan
killcilivistan
humanshieldistan
terrortuga

Not "terrortuga".

In Portuguese, theword "terror tuga" (with a space between terror and tuga) means portuguese terror.

Me not like it.

120 Pupdawg  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 4:42:36pm

I guess when Israel is 'soon wiped from the face of the earth', it will not be a State that has been obliterated. So, what's to complain about?

121 EE  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 6:05:31pm

Mahmud Abbas does not accept the idea of "two states for two peoples". He wants both states to be Arab states.

One Arab state will be Judenrein, since he wants the expulsion of all Jews living in Judea, Samaria, and the new northern, southern, and eastern communities of Jerusalem as well as the Old City, and he wants Israel to shrink to the 1949 Armistice Lines (with no Jews beyond those lines). The other state will be flooded with millions of Arabs who claim to be descendants of descendants of 1948 refugees, bringing about a civil war in Israel, and eventually having the jihad-of-the-womb prevailing -- so it will sooner or later become another Arab state.

If Abbas wants to live in a fantasyland, by pretending that no Jewish state exists, it is proof that the Palestinian Authority is going to continue to indoctrinate Pali school children in fantasies of getting rid of the Jews of the Middle East.

122 tsionguy  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 9:23:49pm

Mahmoud Abbas is just playing games. This is all political posturing. The occupation doesn't exist anymore. The PA is a de-facto state right now. Gaza is another de-facto state, right now. All that needs to be worked out are the security arrangements. This will probably involve some haggling over the remaining fragments of undeveloped land. Nobody needs to leave their homes, nor should they. Anyone who says otherwise is advocating ethnic cleansing.

123 tobariv  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:28:05pm

It's time to be outspoken. No to Arab Palestinian statehood. Those people living in Israel can choose to live in peace or leave. As we've seen with Gaza the world is not a better place with this so called "Palestinian State".This Arab propaganda is old and tired. Most people do not know the history of the region and cave in to the rhetoric to appease the violence. It's just plain stupid

124 tsionguy  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:09:55pm

re: #112 Simply Me

How's this for an alternate solution: The terrorists living in Gaza, Jenin, Ramallah, etc. are arrested by the PA, tried in court, and given lengthy prison sentences. Their weapons must be confiscated; their tunnels must be destroyed. All Arab laws barring the sale of land to Jews must be revoked. After all, Arabs have been buying land in Israel since the birth of the state. Jews must have the opportunity to become citizens in Arab states. After all, there are a million Arab citizens in Israel. The Arab TV stations broadcasting out of Gaza and the West Bank must stop calling for the murder of Jews. The Arab newspapers must do the same. Arab schoolbooks must start teaching about the Balfour Declaration, the early Zionist pioneer movement, the land purchases by the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund, the Holocaust, and the dignity of non-muslim religions. After all, Israeli public schools have been teaching schoolchildren about the "Nakba" and the Palestinian historical narrative for many years. There are hundreds of mosques in Israel, but no synagogues in any of the neighboring Arab countries (except one in Cairo). Where's the reciprocity? All of these steps could represent a truly just and balanced solution that will foster long term peace. Only when the Arabs on the other side of the negotiating table start showing some good faith, will all Israelis start feeling more receptive towards a "two state solution." Unfortunately, I have yet to see any Arab good faith so far, nor any Israeli government come out publicly and propose this solution.


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