Osama Bin Dead (For a Long Time)

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What I’ve believed for a long time about Osama bin Laden — that he’s the world’s most talkative corpse — is starting to leak out from sources in Pakistan: Bin Laden could be dead, whereabouts unknown: Zardari.

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari said on Monday that the whereabouts of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden remained a mystery and there was a suspicion that he could be dead.

Speaking to international media, Zardari said U.S. officials had told him that they had no trace of the al Qaeda chief, although they habitually say he is most likely in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s own intelligence agencies were no wiser, either, Zardari said.

“There is no news,” the president said. “They obviously feel that he does not exist anymore but that’s not confirmed, we can’t confirm that.”

I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11, but that both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.

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1 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:44:51am

I looked all over my place of employment for Bin Laden.

I only found his cousins, Bin Slacking and Bin Sleeping.

/

2 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:01am

I hope OBL learned his lesson and is enjoying his 72 virgins.

3 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:34am

Tora Bora.

4 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:41am

re: #2 wiffersnapper

I hope OBL learned his lesson and is enjoying his 72 virgins.

?

5 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #1 OldLineTexan

I looked all over my place of employment for Bin Laden.

I only found his cousins, Bin Slacking and Bin Sleeping.

/

Is that so, Abu bin Blogging?

6 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:58am

Who are we kidding? Before this presidential term is over, 10 to 1 says Obama gets the credit for bin Laden’s demise.

7 Gella  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:46:22am

maybe OBL was an imaginary person after all
///////

8 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:46:33am

Weren’t there photos released of a very large funeral, when we seriously considered bombing the funeral to kill insurgents? I thought at that time it must have been a bigwig in order for so many to appear in one place. That could easily have been bin Laden’s funeral.

9 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:46:57am

re: #6 unrealizedviewpoint

Who are we kidding? Before this presidential term is over, 10 to 1 says Obama gets the credit for bin Laden’s demise.

/unless he turns up in Iran…

10 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:46:59am
maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11

Haven’t there been confirmed OBL tapes since then? I thought at least a few of his post-2002 Smash Hits had been pretty well confirmed.

11 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:02am

re: #5 Occasional Reader

Is that so, Abu bin Blogging?

Please don’t sic Pelosi on me! See, I am pouring water on my own face!

/

12 RockmanVermont  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:08am

I say if he is dead,let him burn in hell.

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:11am

I’m not dead yet, I think I’ll go for a walk

/OBL

14 Oxnuts  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:32am

If true, I hope it was not quietly… I hope he was affraid, in pain, and alone.

15 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:53am

re: #2 wiffersnapper

I hope OBL learned his lesson and is enjoying his 72 virgins.

More like the 72 virgin demon goats with the face of Helen Thomas are enjoying OBL, while he screams in agony for eternity.

16 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:53am

Um, OK.

[…] both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.

And they would be?

17 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:48:13am
18 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:48:22am

I know how to verify if he’s still alive. Check to see if his New York Times subscription is still current. He’s one of their few remaining customers.
/

19 Condor  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:48:31am

“I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11, but that both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.”

Great minds think alike. Early in the original push into Afghanistan a missile took out a tall man (Osama is well over 6 ft.) who was being treated with great deference after his arrival in an Afghan town; and I’ve always thought that was him (not too many tall jihadi sheiks in Afghanistan…)

20 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:48:43am

Pelosi is a third cousin, Bin Lying.

21 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:48:58am
Pakistan’s own intelligence agencies were no wiser, either, Zardari said.

“There is no news,” the president said. “They obviously feel that he does not exist anymore but that’s not confirmed, we can’t confirm that.”

This statement shows the distressing disconnect between the person in charge of the country and the people who run the country. Osama has more support in the ISI than Zardari.

22 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:01am

re: #17 MandyManners

Let’s ask Pelosi!

Dont listen to the words, decode the sequence of the blinks for the truth.

23 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:09am

re: #17 MandyManners

Let’s ask Pelosi!

Then we’ll know for certain. Whatever her response… the opposite must be true.

24 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:13am

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Haven’t there been confirmed OBL tapes since then? I thought at least a few of his post-2002 Smash Hits had been pretty well confirmed.

Nothing that shows verifiable original new video of OBL talking. We got voice overs, recycled older videos and still photos. Noting certifiably authentically new.

25 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:17am

Oh, but we made bin Laden what he is, don’t you know.
/

26 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:20am
27 The Optimist  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:29am

Maybe Osama morphed into Obama?
just saying

28 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:40am

OT: Fox news alert in my email inbox:

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS CONFERENCE

8p et — On his 100th day in office, President Obama speaks out! We bring it to you LIVE.

/wonder why the turnaround

29 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:47am

Uhoh. Bush actually got Osama? How embarrassing. Time to buzz the tower Goose.

30 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:51am

re: #12 RockmanVermont

I say if he is dead,let him burn in hell.

Eternal waterboarding

31 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:51am

Lizards, I am looking for FurryOldJeans Guy a fellow lizard who I consider a friend.

I have been lurking in order to find him but it seems his last comment was April 4. He has not been banned and this is not like him and I am worried. He mentioned on a thread that he was having some work done on his arteries. Angioplasty or something like that. If anyone knows anything please let me know. My nic is blue.

Thanks,
Afrocity

32 Gella  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:53am

re: #27 venezuela lover

Maybe Osama morphed into Obama?
just saying

hey it rhymes
///

33 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:49:53am

So the Bush administration lied failed to admit that OBL might be dead?

Imagine my shock!

34 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:07am

re: #16 Cato the Elder

The US doesn’t want to give him martyrdom/hero status. The Jihadis want to create the myth that he stood up to the Americans and lived.

35 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:17am
I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11, but that both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.

I can see the jihadis reasons for not admitting it, but what is ours? In order to continue the WOT?

36 dhg4  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:17am

re: #2 wiffersnapper

I hope OBL learned his lesson and is enjoying his 72 virgins.

Virgins or Virginians?

:-)

37 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:17am

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont listen to the words, decode the sequence of the blinks for the truth.

Wait … it’s Morse code … HELP … ME … HELP … ME …

38 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:21am

re: #17 MandyManners

Let’s ask Pelosi!

She’s not Pelosi. She’s Bin Lyin’.

39 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:25am

re: #28 pink freud

OT: Fox news alert in my email inbox:

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS CONFERENCE

8p et — On his 100th day in office, President Obama speaks out! We bring it to you LIVE.

/wonder why the turnaround

FOX, the entertainment channel, is different than FOX News.

40 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #25 Capitalist Tool

Oh, but we made bin Laden what he is, don’t you know.
/

A corpse?
Worm food?
Mortal dust?

41 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #28 pink freud

OT: Fox news alert in my email inbox:

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS CONFERENCE

8p et — On his 100th day in office, President Obama speaks out! We bring it to you LIVE.

/wonder why the turnaround

Fox News was always gonna carry it. Its the Fox entertainment side that won’t.

42 Buck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:42am

I seriously think he is in a guilded cage located in IRAN. Not allowed to go anywhere, but being kept for the purposes of embarrassing America.

43 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:42am

re: #18 LGoPs

I know how to verify if he’s still alive. Check to see if his New York Times subscription is still current. He’s one of their few remaining customers.
/

And make sure they’re getting read, not just piling up outside some cave doorway.

44 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #20 OldLineTexan

GMTA

45 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:48am

re: #28 pink freud

OT: Fox news alert in my email inbox:

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS CONFERENCE

8p et — On his 100th day in office, President Obama speaks out! We bring it to you LIVE.

/wonder why the turnaround

Ratings, simply ratings. Lots of critique following.

46 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:53am

re: #15 Kosh’s Shadow

More like the 72 virgin demon goats with the face of Helen Thomas are enjoying OBL, while he screams in agony for eternity.

71 Catholic Nuns and 1 Helen Thomas!

47 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:58am

re: #28 pink freud

OT: Fox news alert in my email inbox:

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS CONFERENCE

8p et — On his 100th day in office, President Obama speaks out! We bring it to you LIVE.

/wonder why the turnaround

They were able to get Mike, Tom Servo and Crow to sit in the front row during the speach, with Dr Forrestor and TV’s Frank as correspondents.

48 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:51:21am

Isn’t Fox airing the show “Lie to Me” tonight? That’s pretty much the same thing as the annointed one’s speech.

49 pink freud  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #39 capitalist piglet

Brain fog is a terrible thing. :-)
thanks ….

50 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:51:52am

It would be so ironic if this fucker caught the swine flu and died……..

51 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:52:01am

re: #7 Gella

maybe OBL was an imaginary person after all
///////

I am half tempted to slip a note to that effect to Alex Jones.

I think he would bite.

52 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:52:12am

re: #28 pink freud

OT: Fox news alert in my email inbox:

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS CONFERENCE

8p et — On his 100th day in office, President Obama speaks out! We bring it to you LIVE.

/wonder why the turnaround

I wondered the same thing. Could we be confusing the Fox entertainment channel with Fox News?

53 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #35 simonml

I can see the jihadis reasons for not admitting it, but what is ours? In order to continue the WOT?

Actually, yes. With OBL out, the national resolve to prosecute further terrorist nations would have dissolved fairly quickly.

54 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #31 Afrocity

Lizards, I am looking for FurryOldJeans Guy a fellow lizard who I consider a friend.

I have been lurking in order to find him but it seems his last comment was April 4. He has not been banned and this is not like him and I am worried. He mentioned on a thread that he was having some work done on his arteries. Angioplasty or something like that. If anyone knows anything please let me know. My nic is blue.

Thanks,
Afrocity

I haven’t been on enough lately to know who has been here or not, but I haven’t seen furry in the last few times I’ve been here.

55 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:53:08am

Okay, I’ll say it.

It’s Bush’s fault he’s dead!

Yay, Bush.

56 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #52 eschew_obfuscation

I wondered the same thing. Could we be confusing the Fox entertainment channel with Fox News?

Confusing news and entertainment is a common mistake.

57 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:53:38am

This needs to be re-posted from the LNDT.
haakondahl

I am still wa-a-a-ay over here in Afghanistan. I’m a little less furtive about my movements since I have developed the ability to post from wherever I am, and often just being busy prevents me from posting for longish periods. So my posting really implies nothing about my location or movements. It’s a good thing.
A great friend of mine was shot and killed over here some weeks ago, and it has been really tough. But the response from EVERYBODY has been heartwarming. Some of the Afghan folks who knew him routinely refer to him as a martyr, which for a moment I found a little unsettling, but these are people I know, so I was able to appreciate the genuine sentiment behind it—like when a Christian prays for an agnostic, the appropriate response is to say “Thank you”. These folks I know are devout Muslims and brave patriots who are working at great risk to improve their own country, and who love America and Americans. I do believe that folks like this constitue the vast majority here, but you have to be at the right place and time to get it plainly stated. You need to have a better relationship with people than the reporters ever get (with rare exception) in order for them to trust you enough to really open up.
Reporters think that they have this interview thing down to a science—it’s more like smash-and-grab looting for sound bites.
I’m telling you that we still have an amazing opportunity here to do truly great things.
I won’t go into any details of the recent incident, as despite how straightforward it all seems to me, the matter is still under investigation, which is a good thing.
But I have been thinking about something these last weeks at LGF, which is this: I think that part of the problem that people on the right have separating the right wing from the right wing wackos is that if they allow such a distinction to be made, then they might have to allow for such a distinction in Islam. Just as Conservatives and Conservatism are not the problem—crazy people are the problem; Islam and Muslims are not the problem—crazy people are the problem. Now obviously, many of these folks are coldly calculating, high-functioning individuals using whatever means necessary to accomplish their goals. But there is no way you’ll convince me that somebody who cuts off a man’s head or crashes (or causes to be crashed) an airliner into a building is in any way sane. (Consequently, I do not have any patience with “pleading insanity”—you’re obviously insane you murdering pig, we just need to decide what to do about you.)
The DHS report may be heavy-handed and mis-managed, but I appreciate the gate guards who make me open bags when I’m back at my home station, and I appreciate people who will help separate the right wing from the right-wing-nutjobs. DHS wants to keep Americans safe from threats originating in surprising circles? Great, me too.
A lot of folks have been giving Charles a hard time with “well, prove he was a right-winger”, or “exactly what sort of veteran (or Reservist or Guardsman) was he?”
Yet I challenge anybody to deny that right-wing crazies exist, and that we should actively defeat that threat, like any other credible threat.
Whining about lumping in and broad brushes is simply unbecoming at best, and obfuscation, enabling of the evil people who would hide behind us on the worse end. If we are ever to return from the political wilderness, we will have to have demonstrated some maturity while the chips were down.

TBC……..

58 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:53:44am

In the mountains of high Tora-Bora
Osama he sat on the floor-a
‘Till suddenly he found
With the bombs raining down
THat he didn’t exist
Any mor-a

59 Rexatosis  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:53:48am

Did anyone realistically expect to find any parts of OBL when we were dropping “Daisy Cutters” and enough ordinance to obliterate a couple of New England states on his caves in Tora Bora? Not even Grissom on CSI or Gibbs on NCIS could have confirmed or denied whether OBL was alive or dead since he was probably either essentially vaporized if in the open or buried deep in the earth if hunkered in his bunker. The big benefit to this is he can never be a martyr, has no grave for the “true believers” to rally around, and the POTUS doesn’t have to apologize for the US killing him (Okay the last bit is a wee bit sarcastic, but still accurate.)

60 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:53:57am

CONT……

One thing I used to take great pride in was the right’s ability to clean house while the left’s adage that “there are no enemies to the left” backfired on them spectacularly. We cannot afford the same attitude, especially not now.
Being anti-terror is great. Being anti-Muslim is pathetic. Being anti-Jihad is pretty hard to define, and can usually be made clearer by forcing a choice of definitions from the first two, and acknowledging that we have some housecleaning on the right (like the left), if we are to truly be anti-terror.

61 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:54:02am

Zardari is lying (again). Althought it is entirely possible and highly likely that he actually doesn’t have a clue.

The Pakistani ambassador to the US, Husain Haqqani, is also lying to us today.

online.wsj.com

If OBL were toast, then there is no further reason for the existence of the Black Guard sworn to protect him. Yet three years after this LWJ article, the Black Guard still exists.

longwarjournal.org

MEDICAL
ISSUES,
R

62 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:54:18am

I gotta go Lizards!

Have a great day!

63 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:54:21am

‘Yes We Can,’ Farsi edition


Obama’s signature campaign slogan, Yes We Can, has been replicated by the Iranian president in a promotional video issued for Iran’s presidential poll on 12 June, when Ahmadinejad is seeking reelection.
64 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:54:50am

Well, this is as good a reason to break out our friend…. Achmed, the dead terrorist:

Youtube Video
65 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:54:54am

re: #56 victor_yugo

Confusing news and entertainment is a common mistake.

Heh …. lately, it’s not even much of a mistake with those two channels ;~)

66 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:55:09am

re: #49 pink freud

Brain fog is a terrible thing. :-)
thanks ….

Easy mistake - one a lot of people made, I’d guess!

67 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:55:19am

re: #35 simonml

I can see the jihadis reasons for not admitting it, but what is ours? In order to continue the WOT?

When asked if OBL was still alive fairly recently General Petraeus replied “yes”. That surprised me.

68 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:55:52am

Meanwhile, while Zardari says that OBL may be dead (and long dead at that), he’s got himself a major malfunction as the Taliban continue carving up Pakistan and the government is trying to contain the mess.

69 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:56:02am

re: #3 Syrah

Tora Bora.


Yep. Before Tora Bora you could hardly keep him from making videotapes - sorta like Sen Schumer - don’t get between him and a camera if you value your physical safety.
Since then only audio tapes and those can be faked - all we have are CIA analysts saying that it sure sounds like his voice.
He’s dead, Jim.

70 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:56:13am

re: #65 eschew_obfuscation

Heh …. lately, it’s not even much of a mistake with those two channels ;~)

I miss Hume

71 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:57:00am

re: #69 realwest

Yep. Before Tora Bora you could hardly keep him from making videotapes - sorta like Sen Schumer - don’t get between him and a camera if you value your physical safety.
Since then only audio tapes and those can be faked - all we have are CIA analysts saying that it sure sounds like his voice.
He’s dead, Jim.

I would feel better all the same if we could find his grave.

Wooden stakes need to be used.

72 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:57:21am

But but but …. MARK “card check & phony moderate” UDALL (D-CO) is gonna get him!

73 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:57:24am

Could we have some discussion as to why the US Government under Bush would have wanted to keep Bin Laden’s death under wraps? No conspiracy theories here please, just some honest possible reasonable reasons because on the surface Bin Laden’s death would have been something to crow about.

On possibility is that Hussein was the target all along but if Bin Laden was dead the whole general angst might have subsided enough to make the argument for Iraq tougher.

74 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:57:50am

re: #56 victor_yugo

Confusing news and entertainment is a common mistake.

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I’ve seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone’s a crook?
—Queensryche

The overall point of the song goes off on a bad tangent, but this verse is appropriate.

75 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:57:55am

Court refuses to reinstate charges against Camp Pendleton officer

A military appeals court has rejected an attempt by the U.S. Marine Corps to reinstate war-crime charges against a Camp Pendleton officer in connection with the 2005 killings of 21 civilians in Haditha, Iraq.

The rejection increases the chances the case against Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani will never go to court- martial. He was charged with dereliction of duty for not launching a thorough investigation after Marines in his battalion killed the civilians, including women and children, in a futile hunt for insurgents.

Of eight Marines charged in the killings, one was acquitted and six, including Chessani, had charges dismissed.


A trial judge at Camp Pendleton tossed out the case against Chessani after finding that a Marine lawyer who investigated the incident had sat in on meetings with the general who ultimately levied the charges. A three-judge panel of the Navy-Marine Corps Court of Appeal agreed with the judge that the lawyer’s conduct tainted the case because it gave the appearance of undue command influence.

76 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:58:00am

re: #67 turn

When asked if OBL was still alive fairly recently General Petraeus replied “yes”. That surprised me.

Well if he is alive he is under the protection of a country that we can’t get into…

77 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:58:11am

Osama bin pushing up poppies?

78 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:58:41am

re: #15 Kosh’s Shadow

More like the 72 virgin demon goats with the face of Helen Thomas are enjoying OBL, while he screams in agony for eternity.


Karma. It’s what’s for eternity.

79 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #71 Syrah

I would feel better all the same if we could find his grave.

Too many fragments.

80 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:58:50am

re: #63 Kenneth

Obama’s signature campaign slogan, Yes We Can, has been replicated by the Iranian president in a promotional video issued for Iran’s presidential poll on 12 June, when Ahmadinejad is seeking reelection.

I wonder if Hormel could sue Obama for stealing their slogan “Yes, we can”
How the hell else do you think we package all that meat……..?
/ *pretty stupid, I know”

81 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:58:56am

I hope he is dead, but I wonder if anyone will ever credibly confirm it? There’s lots of room to permanently lose a stiff in that country.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:59:18am

re: #68 lawhawk

Meanwhile, while Zardari says that OBL may be dead (and long dead at that), he’s got himself a major malfunction as the Taliban continue carving up Pakistan and the government is trying to contain the mess.

Has BHO asked the Taliban to unclench their fists?

83 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:59:22am

re: #73 Big Steve

See my #53 above.

84 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:59:38am

re: #61 Render

Maybe the Black Guard is protecting Zawahiri & the other top Al Qaeda thugs?

85 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:59:49am

re: #59 Rexatosis

I’m not picky, but I hope his ass was pointing to Mecca when/if he was vaporized.

(probably shouldn’t use the words picky and ass in the same post)

86 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:59:56am

re: #80 LGoPs

I wonder if Hormel could sue Obama for stealing their slogan “Yes, we can”
How the hell else do you think we package all that meat……..?
/ *pretty stupid, I know”

Very punny. I like it.

87 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:00:15am

re: #79 Ojoe

Too many fragments.

Toothpicks then. Lots of them.

Can we load them into shotguns?

88 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:00:16am

re: #77 acwgusa

Osama bin pushing up poppies?

It’s not pinin’! It’s passed on! This Terrorist is no more! It has ceased to be! It’s expired and gone to meet it’s maker! This is a late Terrorist.

It’s a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed it to the perch it’d be pushing up the daisies!

Its run down the curtain and joined the choir invisibile!

THIS IS AN EX-TERRORIST!

89 The Optimist  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:00:36am

Look at it this way. If Bin Laden were killed under Obama’s watch, Obama would lose what little popularity he has left in Muslim countries. If bin Laden were captured, I believe that Obama would quietly order bin Laden’s release and punish the soldiers that captured bin Laden and pay reparations to bin Laden’s family.

The first premise of the presidency today is that the presidents popularity is more important than stopping terror attacks. Why else would Obama kiss-up to Chavez, Amendinajad, Castro, Hamas, etc?

90 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #73 Big Steve

Maybe we thought it would intensify the call to jihad and thereby make our WOT more difficult.

91 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:00:41am

re: #76 brookly red

Well if he is alive he is under the protection of a country that we can’t get into…

Seriously, what country might that be?

92 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:21am

re: #81 Lincolntf

I hope he is dead, but I wonder if anyone will ever credibly confirm it? There’s lots of room to permanently lose a stiff in that country.

He has most likely been dead for years. Pakistan may be saying that he is dead to try and defuse the Taliban situation.

At this point there is only one thing that can convince me that he is not dead and that would be a clear video tape of Osama holding up a NYT with a very recent date and him saying “I’m not quite dead yet.” Or words to that effect.

93 Gus  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:43am

re: #91 victor_yugo

Seriously, what country might that be?

Saudi Arabia!

/Maybe

94 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:45am

“Bring me the head of Osama bin Laden!”

- el jefe

95 MJ  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:57am

I don’t know if he is alive or dead. However, I wouldn’t take Pakistan’s word on it. Wouldn’t take Pakistan’s word on anything.

96 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:58am

re: #89 venezuela lover

Look at it this way. If Bin Laden were killed under Obama’s watch, Obama would lose what little popularity he has left in Muslim countries. If bin Laden were captured, I believe that Obama would quietly order bin Laden’s release and punish the soldiers that captured bin Laden and pay reparations to bin Laden’s family.

The first premise of the presidency today is that the presidents popularity is more important than stopping terror attacks. Why else would Obama kiss-up to Chavez, Amendinajad, Castro, Hamas, etc?

What are you smoking? And you have proof of this? What don’t you elaborate on how he would do all this?

(lunch anyone)

97 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:58am

re: #87 Syrah

I meant too many fragments of OBL for there to be a grave.

I suppose reshooting them out of a shotgun would be fun for some.

98 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:08am

Bingo. I’m referring to this picture:
Predator photo in Afghanistan

99 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:23am

I don’t believe for a moment that we got bin Laden at Tora Bora.
There were entirely too many Afghan factions present who were at least in partial collusion with the Taliban and al- Qaeda, any of which could have spirited him away while feeding us misinformation.
Actual US forces were just minimally present at the time of the fighting due to logistical reasons.

Whether bin Laden has since perished is another story.

100 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:28am

Weekend at Osama’s.

/hilarity ensues

101 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:32am

re: #89 venezuela lover

…

102 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:39am

re: #89 venezuela lover

Oh man, why don’t you take your crap & go stink up some other blog?

103 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:44am

re: #76 brookly red

Well if he is alive he is under the protection of a country that we can’t get into…

Yes, and that would most likely be NW Pakistan no? Predators work pretty good though.

104 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:03:06am

re: #73 Big Steve

Could we have some discussion as to why the US Government under Bush would have wanted to keep Bin Laden’s death under wraps? No conspiracy theories here please, just some honest possible reasonable reasons because on the surface Bin Laden’s death would have been something to crow about.

On possibility is that Hussein was the target all along but if Bin Laden was dead the whole general angst might have subsided enough to make the argument for Iraq tougher.

Maybe the Pakistani military killed OBL and never wanted to own up to it. In order to continue to be their “ally” Bush went along with this little omission. He wasn’t into appearances as much as Pres. Obama anyway. He was just happy the evil guy was dead

105 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #70 Baier

I miss Hume

I do too. That show is seemingly the only remaining non-tabloid show Fox still has (Special Report). Agree or disagree with the panelists, at least they’re reasonable adults.

106 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:03:29am

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

What are you smoking? And you have proof of this? What don’t you elaborate on how he would do all this?

(lunch anyone)

You buying? And no, he has no proof just an active case of paranoia.

107 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:03:29am

re: #89 venezuela lover

Look at it this way. If Bin Laden were killed under Obama’s watch, Obama would lose what little popularity he has left in Muslim countries. If bin Laden were captured, I believe that Obama would quietly order bin Laden’s release and punish the soldiers that captured bin Laden and pay reparations to bin Laden’s family.

The first premise of the presidency today is that the presidents popularity is more important than stopping terror attacks. Why else would Obama kiss-up to Chavez, Amendinajad, Castro, Hamas, etc?

And watch out, the black helicopters are right outside of you door.

108 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:03:29am

re: #2 wiffersnapper

I hope OBL learned his lesson and is enjoying his 72 virgins raisins.

FTFY!

109 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:04:12am

re: #76 brookly red

Well if he is alive he is under the protection of a country that we can’t get into…

When did the 10th level of Hell get nation status?

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #94 Ward Cleaver

“Bring me the head of Osama bin Laden!”

- el jefe

You’re assuming it was in one piece to be brought anywhere.

111 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:04:42am

re: #106 Kenneth

You buying? And no, he has no proof just an active case of paranoia.

And I suspect he will not respond. Oh, I was suggesting troll for lunch.

112 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:04:50am

re: #97 Ojoe

I meant too many fragments of OBL for there to be a grave.

I suppose reshooting them out of a shotgun would be fun for some.

Some times fun is enough, but surety is better. We will probably never have the DNA scrapings (his head) to be totally sure, but his silence since that date is comforting.

113 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:04:50am

No body, no martyr, no joke.

No matter what the outcome for Osama, the Bush administration made him irrelevant.

114 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:04:51am

Alright! Dismantle the security checkpoints at the airports.
Let me carry on my pocketknife. OBL is dead.
All the Militant Islamists are now farming, working and
engaging in commerce. No worries, mate. /

115 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:05:02am

re: #73 Big Steve

Could we have some discussion as to why the US Government under Bush would have wanted to keep Bin Laden’s death under wraps? No conspiracy theories here please, just some honest possible reasonable reasons because on the surface Bin Laden’s death would have been something to crow about.

On possibility is that Hussein was the target all along but if Bin Laden was dead the whole general angst might have subsided enough to make the argument for Iraq tougher.

Maybe there was no positive proof. Or maybe they didn’t see the sense of inciting more martyr reaction.

116 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:05:28am

re: #98 vxbush

Bingo. I’m referring to this picture:
Predator photo in Afghanistan

Any idea why the gathering? A funeral, prayer, wedding?

117 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #105 eschew_obfuscation

I do too. That show is seemingly the only remaining non-tabloid show Fox still has (Special Report). Agree or disagree with the panelists, at least they’re reasonable adults.

Bill Kristol made an excellent point last night about the individual who manages the affairs of the Air Force One and the backup jets. It was previously run by a military officer until 1/20/2009. Now there is a political appointee in that position. Hence the F-up in NYC yesterday.

118 The Optimist  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:05:49am

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

What are you smoking? And you have proof of this? What don’t you elaborate on how he would do all this?

(lunch anyone)

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different?

119 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:05:55am

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

And watch out, the black helicopters are right outside of you door.

And with new stealth techonology, they’re silent and invisible.

120 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:06:13am

re: #91 victor_yugo

Seriously, what country might that be?

One that borders Afghanistan & is hostel to the U.S.

121 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:06:19am

re: #112 Syrah

We will probably never be sure he is dead except statistically, when the date comes when he would have been 120 years old.

122 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:06:35am

re: #116 turn

Any idea why the gathering? A funeral, prayer, wedding?

It was a funeral. Here’s the story, from 2006:
Unauthorized picture of Taliban funeral

KABUL, Afghanistan — The U.S. military said Wednesday it is looking into the unauthorized release of a photo purportedly taken by an American drone aircraft showing scores of Taliban militants at a funeral in Afghanistan.

NBC-TV claimed U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by the Predator drone, but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.

Lt. Tamara Lawrence, a spokeswoman with the U.S. military in Kabul, said the photograph was released to the network by someone who did not have the clearance to hand it out.

“It is an operational security issue and the photo was released at an inappropriate level,” Lawrence told The Associated Press. “Inquiries are being made into how it was released.”

Lawrence declined to provide further details. It was not clear when the photo was taken nor where the gathering took place.

The grainy black and white photo shows what NBC says are some 190 Taliban militants standing in several rows near a vehicle in an open area of land. The black outline of a box — apparently the sight of the drone — is positioned over the group.

NBC quoted one Army officer who was involved with the spy mission as saying “we were so excited” that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn’t bomb the funeral under the military’s rules of engagement.

The U.S. military has previously used Predator drones with deadly effect, firing one missile into a Pakistani tribal area near the Afghan border in January in a failed bid to kill Al Qaeda deputy Ayman al-Zawahri.

123 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:06:38am

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

I find trolls tasteless & indigestible. I prefer to simply flush them.

124 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:03am

re: #120 brookly red

One that borders Afghanistan & is hostel to the U.S.

How much are rooms at the hostel?

125 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:04am

Too bad for the lefties. Bin Laden was their only accepted boogie man. In lefty alternate universe— all other earthly terrorists, bad dudes, motley head-choppers and jihadists conveniently do not exist.

126 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:22am

re: #116 turn

Any idea why the gathering? A funeral, prayer, wedding?

Looks like an officer reviewing troops.

127 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:28am

re: #84 Kenneth

Negative, they have their own protection details. The Black Guard is NOT one of the “regular” units of the Shadow Army.

NO BODY
NO CRIME,
R

128 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And with new stealth techonology, they’re silent and invisible.

The pink ponies have had that for, like, forever. Duh!

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:38am

re: #124 CommonCents

How much are rooms at the hostel?

Cheap, but the amenities suck.

130 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:46am

re: #122 vxbush

Unauthorized? The only question I have is after the photo, why wasn’t there an unauthorized woosh, then an unauthorized boom!?

131 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:48am

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different?

Where are you getting your information from? Please link me to some report or article or something that says Obama is releasing Gitmo prisoners to improve his image in Muslim countries.

And while you at it, tell me, how well is that working.

You are paranoid.

132 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:55am

re: #99 Capitalist Tool

I don’t believe for a moment that we got bin Laden at Tora Bora.
There were entirely too many Afghan factions present who were at least in partial collusion with the Taliban and al- Qaeda, any of which could have spirited him away while feeding us misinformation.
Actual US forces were just minimally present at the time of the fighting due to logistical reasons.

Whether bin Laden has since perished is another story.

And then there was a cease fire too IIRC, he could have gotten out then. I’m not so sure anymore that he’s dead, especially after hearing the General say he thinks he’s alive.

133 gegenkritik  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:08:10am
I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11, but that both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.


While I agree with this statement, I think it’s a little bit arkwardly formulated (US-Goverment and jihadis so close together). Despite having reasons not to, I am sure the US Goverment would admit OBL’s death (if they had a clear evidence).
Anyway, I also believe that it’s very likely that bin Laden is the world’s most talkative corpse (and that’s a great pun).

134 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:08:32am

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different?

You just did not compare the President of the United States with Bin Laden did you? Did I read that wrong?

135 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:08:48am

re: #130 acwgusa

Unauthorized? The only question I have is after the photo, why wasn’t there an unauthorized woosh, then an unauthorized boom!?

Read the text I copied above. Rules of engagement meant no attacks in cemeteries.

136 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

They have… and the Taliban is responding favorably, handing out b-slaps to anyone standing in their way. /

137 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different?

You know, it’s because of people like this that conservatives are being look at as NUTS.

138 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #125 FrogMarch

Too bad for the lefties. Bin Laden was their only accepted boogie man. In lefty alternate universe— all other earthly terrorists, bad dudes, motley head-choppers and jihadists conveniently do not exist.

Are you kidding? To leftists, Bin Laden was either:

a) a creation of the CIA/Mossad
b) a third world freedom fighter
c) both or either, depending

139 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:09:11am

re: #122 vxbush

Wait, no attacks on cemeteries? Why, it would continue to be a cemetery after the missile launch!

140 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:09:12am

Could be alive. Could be dead. Since we’re now only allowed to put up captured Al Qaeda members at the Four Seasons and inconvenience them by being a little slow with the room service, I’m not sure we’ll ever get intel out of them about it. Personally, I’m hoping for alive just because it provides for the possibility of a fantastic U.S. military spiderhole drag photo-op, a la Saddam. Little seems to deflate Islamic militant groups more than watching their pudgy leaders dragged out of the mudholes they were using to desperately avoid martyrdom.

141 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:09:23am

re: #73 Big Steve

See my #34. I think that’s a pretty good theory.

142 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:09:33am
143 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:09:53am

re: #105 eschew_obfuscation

I do too. That show is seemingly the only remaining non-tabloid show Fox still has (Special Report). Agree or disagree with the panelists, at least they’re reasonable adults.

I think Hume would make a great POTUS, not going to happen but just saying …

144 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:09:54am

Osama Bin Dead opens in Vegas.

Youtube Video
145 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:07am

re: #89 venezuela lover

You’re just paranoid because someone is out to get you.
Your premise contains a number of glaring flaws that should be fairly obvious, not the least of which is that it runs counter to basic common sense.

146 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:10am

re: #15 Kosh’s Shadow

yup

147 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:13am

re: #117 CommonCents

Bill Kristol made an excellent point last night about the individual who manages the affairs of the Air Force One and the backup jets. It was previously run by a military officer until 1/20/2009. Now there is a political appointee in that position. Hence the F-up in NYC yesterday.

Yeah, I heard that too. It’s an interesting point, but it seems to me that an adult with common sense would have known better whether he was active military or a decent civilian appointee.

148 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:16am

re: #134 HoosierHoops

You just did not compare the President of the United States with Bin Laden did you? Did I read that wrong?

I read it as comparing Gitmo prisoners with bin Laden, which is merely a matter of orders of magnitude of evil.

149 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:22am

re: #141 Killgore Trout

See my #34. I think that’s a pretty good theory.

OT - Don’t miss the 100th episode of LOST tonight - “The Variable.”

150 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:28am

re: #139 acwgusa

Wait, no attacks on cemeteries? Why, it would continue to be a cemetery after the missile launch!

Big issues, supposedly, with desecrating Muslim graves. Although they seem perfectly willing to desecrate their mosques in Gaza if it means storing weapons there.

151 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:10:32am

re: #98 vxbush

Not a funeral. One of the 157 Taliban/al-Q training camps, and not the one where the Black Guard trains (or trained).

RIFLE
RIFLE,
R

152 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:04am

re: #124 CommonCents

How much are rooms at the hostel?

OK, hostile, my bad… I went to public school in NY.

153 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:06am

Glad to see some of you other people enjoy Robin Williams as much I do. Raisins, Virginians, lol!

154 MJ  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:10am

From yesterday’s State department briefing:

QUESTION: Is it going to make any difference whether Usama bin Ladin is dead or not as far as war on terrorism is concerned?

MR. WOOD: Look, Usama bin Ladin is obviously a very important figure in al-Qaida. But, you know, one individual doesn’t make an organization. There are al-Qaida cells operating around the world. And what we have to do with other countries is to cooperate very closely in closing down these cells, in bringing these extremists to justice, and to do what we can to prevent further acts of terror.

state.gov

They think he’s still alive.

155 WWID  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:16am

Question: Hasn’t Bin Laden made current event references in his video?

156 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:22am

re: #118 venezuela lover

WTF is wrong with you? Get lost.

157 clgood  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:24am

I, too, would love to know what the U.S. Government’s motivation would be for keeping this under wraps. It makes no sense at all for Bush, and even The One would be able to spin it as a win for him. I don’t see the upside.

158 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:27am

Man, what a day.

My boss just called to say his mother in law died - she’d been very ill, this isn’t a surprise, and a release for the poor woman.

I just got a call from my old Anthro professor that he’s recovering from cardiac surgery.

My mom needs me.

Can I just say that Bin Laden being really truly officially dead is not breaking my heart? Especially if it’s true.

It’s about the only good news I’ve got.

159 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #150 vxbush

Big issues, supposedly, with desecrating Muslim graves. Although they seem perfectly willing to desecrate their mosques in Gaza if it means storing weapons there.

Muslims have no problem desecrating Jewish and Christian graves. Turnabout is fair play.

160 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:37am

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shades of “Blue Thunder” eh?

161 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #6 unrealizedviewpoint

Who are we kidding? Before this presidential term is over, 10 to 1 says Obama gets the credit for bin Laden’s demise.

Not touching that bet. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

162 neverquit  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:49am

It was determined via water-boarding that he is dead, but no one want’s to admit it…….

163 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:12:33am

re: #158 Dianna

When it rains, it pours.

Good luck {Dianna}.

164 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:12:35am

re: #122 vxbush

but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.

I didn’t know that, thanks vx

165 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:12:57am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m not dead yet, I think I’ll go for a walk

/OBL

It was only a flesh wound.

166 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #158 Dianna

Sorry, Dianna..

167 baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:22am

re: #161 unreconstructed rebel

Not touching that bet. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

As soon as Obama was elected Bin Ladin’s heart failed.

168 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:26am

re: #148 EmmmieG

I read it as comparing Gitmo prisoners with bin Laden, which is merely a matter of orders of magnitude of evil.

Thanks emmmieG..I didn’t want to mis-characterize the post

169 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:29am

re: #155 WWID

Question: Hasn’t Bin Laden made current event references in his video?

He hasn’t come out with a video in many years. There are audio releases which are suspect but no videos. What video are you speaking of?

170 The Optimist  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:32am

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different than other Gitmo residents?

You just did not compare the President of the United States with Bin Laden did you? Did I read that wrong?
Fixed it. see bold type.

171 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #127 Render

Negative, they have their own protection details. The Black Guard is NOT one of the “regular” units of the Shadow Army.

Unless Osama is dead and the Black Guard has been given new duties. The continued existence of the Black Guard is slim circumstantial evidence at best.

172 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:42am

re: #128 victor_yugo

The pink ponies have had that for, like, forever. Duh!

What do you think they make the paint out of for the helicopters?

173 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #165 Eowyn2

It was only a flesh wound.

Naughty Zoot!

174 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #155 WWID

Question: Hasn’t Bin Laden made current event references in his video?

Are we sure it’s Bin Laden? I understand from those with far more expertise that it’s more than possible that it’s someone else.

175 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:23am

re: #159 acwgusa

Muslims have no problem desecrating Jewish and Christian graves. Turnabout is fair play.

No. I will not go down to their level.

176 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:29am

It’s 11:00 and Osama bin Laden is still dead.

177 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:29am

Weekend at Bin Laden’s

Heh.

178 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:29am

re: #165 Eowyn2

It was only a flesh wound.

Quiet, you. You’ll be stone dead in a moment.

179 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:32am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

OT - Don’t miss the 100th episode of LOST tonight - “The Variable.”

Thanks, as always, for the reminder. I watch so little TV these days that it slips my mind. I’ll plan ahead and make an evening out of it.

180 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:43am

re: #147 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, I heard that too. It’s an interesting point, but it seems to me that an adult with common sense would have known better whether he was active military or a decent civilian appointee.

I agree. So either he doesn’t have common sense (running rampant these days) or he’s not a decent civilian appointee (harder and harder to find). These are cronies that are assigned positions they aren’t familiar with. Dr. Daschle for HHS? Napolitano for Homeland Security? A tax cheat in charge of the IRS? The UAW taking over an auto manufacturer? I see a pattern here.

181 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:49am

re: #157 clgood

I, too, would love to know what the U.S. Government’s motivation would be for keeping this under wraps. It makes no sense at all for Bush, and even The One would be able to spin it as a win for him. I don’t see the upside.

Playing “Where’s Osama?”

182 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:14:57am

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What do you think they make the paint out of for the helicopters?

Not glue?

183 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:15:19am

re: #170 venezuela lover

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different than other Gitmo residents?

You just did not compare the President of the United States with Bin Laden did you? Did I read that wrong?
Fixed it. see bold type.

Thanks..I just read that wrong..

184 albusteve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:15:24am

he may be alive or not…I sure would not trust the fed’s motivation for keeping under wraps if they do know conclusively…I don’t trust the feds…they lie and cheat just like any other mob….imo

185 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #163 J.D.

When it rains, it pours.

Good luck {Dianna}.

Thanks.

186 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:15:35am

As Coroner I must butt in,
I thoroughly examined him
and he’s not only merely dead,
he’s really most sincerely dead.

187 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:16:00am

re: #138 Kenneth

that’s what I mean - Bin Laden was IT. no other bad players.

188 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:16:01am

re: #117 CommonCents

Bill Kristol made an excellent point last night about the individual who manages the affairs of the Air Force One and the backup jets. It was previously run by a military officer until 1/20/2009. Now there is a political appointee in that position. Hence the F-up in NYC yesterday.

Is that legal? To put an appointee in charge of the President’s planes?
Doesn’t Air Force 1 and Air Force 2 and their backups belong to the US Military and loaned to the sitting president for use?

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:16:10am

re: #155 WWID

Question: Hasn’t Bin Laden made current event references in his video?

No, the only current events mentioned have been in audio tapes. He hasn’t mentioned a contemporary event on video for something like 5 years or so. Maybe even more.

190 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:16:24am

re: #177 DaddyG

You laugh. The Muslims think turnabout is fair play. If the Spaniards did it to El Cid, then they can do it with OBL.

191 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:16:50am

re: #116 turn

Any idea why the gathering? A funeral, prayer, wedding?

Staff meeting?

192 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:06am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Thanks, as always, for the reminder. I watch so little TV these days that it slips my mind. I’ll plan ahead and make an evening out of it.

I am. I’m locking my door, turning off the phone, shutting down the computer and I have my cyanide tablets in case anything goes wrong.

193 albusteve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:08am

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

As Coroner I must butt in,
I thoroughly examined him
and he’s not only merely dead,
he’s really most sincerely dead.

you are truly a dead thread head

194 Gella  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:18am

BODIES:
He is not yet dead
That’s what the geezer said
No, he’s not yet dead
That man is off his head

He is not yet dead
So put him back in bed
Keep him off the cart because he’s not yet dead.

Well now he’s dead
You whacked him on the head
Sure, now he’s dead
It makes me just see red
You are such a brute
To murder that old coot
You homicidal bastard, now he’s really dead
Who is the knave who put him in his grave
And who needs to manage his anger?


lyricsondemand.com

195 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #188 Eowyn2

He was a military guy, I think they said, but no longer was when he was hired by the O Ad. Not now, though.

196 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #175 vxbush

No. I will not go down to their level.

Good for you, you are a better person them I am. I would launch the missile, regardless.

197 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:38am

re: #173 victor_yugo

Do NOT go down that road.//

198 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:18:14am

re: #188 Eowyn2

Is that legal? To put an appointee in charge of the President’s planes?
Doesn’t Air Force 1 and Air Force 2 and their backups belong to the US Military and loaned to the sitting president for use?

Rahm Emmanuel is in charge of that, too?

199 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #170 venezuela lover

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different than other Gitmo residents?

For a start, Bin Laden is a threat to all those Muslim countries’ stability. Muslim countries like their jihadis angry at Israel and at the US, and do not like their jihadis angry at the monarchies and dictatorships around the Gulf coast. There is no way Obama would release that man as a goodwill gesture. For you to insinuate otherwise requires a level of discourse I normally associate with excessive use of hallucinogens.

200 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #170 venezuela lover

re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different than other Gitmo residents?

You just did not compare the President of the United States with Bin Laden did you? Did I read that wrong?
Fixed it. see bold type.

the residents of gitmo are only there because they were strolling through the fields picking poppies which the CIA was growing to harm the underprivileged of the US.

/

201 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:18:43am

There once was a man named Osam
Whose jihadist crew caused alarm
Now he’s not worth a fart
his constituent parts
were reduced on account of a bomb

202 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:18:55am

re: #73 Big Steve Well I think there are at least two reasons why we would have kept bin Laden’s death a “secret”.
The first and most obvious being that we can’t prove it; we don’t have a body or sufficient parts to do DNA testing on.
The second is that IF we could prove that we had killed bin Laden (or he died from kidney failure because our bombing and fighting in Tora Bora kept him from getting Dialysis Treatment) then he would have achieved “martyrdom” status in the ranks of the Jihadists.
As it was, because we smacked down Al-Q so completely in Iraq, bin Laden’s stature among Al-Q was being questioned; it was, allegedly, his idea for Al-Q to fight it out in Iraq. Martyrdom would solve that and unite any real fractures within Al-Q.

203 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:19:25am
204 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:19:30am

re: #187 FrogMarch

Liberals may find OBL an acceptable villain. But my point is that to many leftists, bin Laden is/was not a bad guy at all, he was a freedom fighting hero or a harmless fabrication.

205 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:20:57am

OT - (although it’s about death)

Headline on Drudge…

FIRST DEAD: MEXICAN WHO CAME TO USA FOR TREATMENT

Speaks volumes…

206 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:20:59am

re: #203 MandyManners

gotta be, I keel you!

207 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #180 CommonCents

Yes. As another lizard put it earlier…. Amateur Hour in the White House.

208 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:21:18am

I lean towards alive due to the mulitple voice matched audio tapes that reference current events. I think it’s good policy to say he’s dead, because then they have another round of wailing in e-jihadi camps, and new tapes have to be produced as “proof of life”. That gives us another shot at tracking him down if alive, or tracking down the AQ techno-genius’ producing the fake tapes, whichever you would have it.

So if you think he’s dead, then you are either positing that someone in AQ is a technowiz and is faking tapes, or someone in our gov’t is lieing about the voiceprint authentication of the tapes.

209 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:21:35am

re: #204 Kenneth

Liberals may find OBL an acceptable villain. But my point is that to many leftists, bin Laden is/was not a bad guy at all, he was a freedom fighting hero or a harmless fabrication.

They can’t all really believe that, though, do you think?

/don’t scare me

210 The Optimist  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:21:54am
re: #170 venezuela lover
re: #118 venezuela lover

Okay, look at those characters being released from Guantanamo. They are at Gitmo for a reason, but Obama wants to release them to improve his image in muslim countries. How is bin Laden any different than other Gitmo residents?

You just did not compare the President of the United States with Bin Laden did you? Did I read that wrong?
Fixed it. see bold type.

the residents of gitmo are only there because they were strolling through the fields picking poppies which the CIA was growing to harm the underprivileged of the US.


Obama and Holder certainly aren’t releasing the Gitmo residents to improve my image with muslim countries.

211 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:22:07am

re: #126 Kenneth

Looks like an officer reviewing troops.

Too bad it wasn’t, they’d all be dead now. dang, that post got stuck cause of the auto thing

212 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:22:19am

OT:

Obama targets tea bags at town hall

At his 100th-day town hall meeting in St. Louis, Mo., President Obama took direct aim at the anti-tax “tea party” demonstrations that have cropped up over the last month – and took a veiled shot at FOX News Channel, at the cable news network closely associated with the protests.

Asked about fiscal discipline and entitlements reform, Obama seemed to be repressing a smile as he jabbed critics of his spending plans.

“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”

“But,” Obama continued, “let’s not play games and pretend that the reason [for the deficit] is because of the Recovery Act.”

Talk about arrogant…

213 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:22:35am

re: #208 Thanos

I lean towards dead due to medical issues. Dialysis is tough to get in caves!

214 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:22:44am

OT: despite the doom and gloom economic news from the right wing of the blogosphere today……
Stocks bolstered by underlying improvement in sentiment

Quiet, you’ll disturb the recovery

No bombshells expected from two-day FOMC meeting

There are signs of recovery. I think ODS is clouding their viewpoint. They seem more interested in promoting the Tea Parties and an economic recovery does not seem in the right’s interest.

215 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:23:34am

I believe that if he would be confirmed as room temperature,
a large number of people would say, great, this war on
“terrorism” is over. That would be a mistake. History
tells us that they plan their attacks on the US in the
first year of a new administration, ie: 1993, 2001.
I guess they feel the response would be less effective
because it takes time to get a new administration
fully staffed and functional.

216 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:23:38am

re: #204 Kenneth

Liberals may find OBL an acceptable villain. But my point is that to many leftists, bin Laden is/was not a bad guy at all, he was a freedom fighting hero or a harmless fabrication.

That’s the Ward Churchill / Voz de Aztlan fringe (and I suspect William Ayers too); but I wouldn’t call their numbers “many”.

The general consensus on the anti-war left for Bin Laden, in my observation, alternates between him as America’s nemesis (the “blowback” talking-point) and him as a straw man for social-conservative positions (“the Taliban wing of the Republican Party” talking-point).

217 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:24:09am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama targets tea bags at town hall

Talk about arrogant…

He really believes is Recovery Act and Budget are the solution, and the the deficit is GWB’s.

Delusional.

218 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:24:17am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

OT: despite the doom and gloom economic news from the right wing of the blogosphere today……
Stocks bolstered by underlying improvement in sentiment

Quiet, you’ll disturb the recovery

There are signs of recovery. I think ODS is clouding their viewpoint. They seem more interested in promoting the Tea Parties and an economic recovery does not seem in the right’s interest.

I dunno about the signs of recovery, several companies here in Southern CA are announcing several more rounds of layoffs.

219 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:02am

Talking about dead jihadists, what is the fate of Gadahn you guys? Didn’t we take him out with a Predator strike?

220 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:18am

re: #208 Thanos

I lean towards alive due to the mulitple voice matched audio tapes that reference current events. I think it’s good policy to say he’s dead, because then they have another round of wailing in e-jihadi camps, and new tapes have to be produced as “proof of life”. That gives us another shot at tracking him down if alive, or tracking down the AQ techno-genius’ producing the fake tapes, whichever you would have it.

So if you think he’s dead, then you are either positing that someone in AQ is a technowiz and is faking tapes, or someone in our gov’t is lieing about the voiceprint authentication of the tapes.

Fake audio tapes do not take a techno whiz to gin up. Anyone with a good PC can do them. Plus the fact that the Taliban has enough money to hire a techno whiz and to keep their mouth(s) shut about anything they have done.

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:22am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan


“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”

“But,” Obama continued, “let’s not play games and pretend that the reason [for the deficit] is because of the Recovery Act.”


I agree with him. The Tea Parties are not a serious movement of responsible economics. If they were anyone holding a Fair Tax or “End The Fed” sign would be beaten to a pulp for showing up to a Tea Party. They are promoting quack economics.

222 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #219 turn

I don’t think so.

223 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:39am

re: #218 acwgusa

I dunno about the signs of recovery, several companies here in Southern CA are announcing several more rounds of layoffs.

And my husband’s company just instituted an across-the-board pay cut (between 3% and 10% depending on pay) in order to avoid a layoff.

224 cosmo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:43am

I saw a picture via AP last week of Hugo Chavez presenting Osama with a copy of his book at the Americas summit. Chavez must’ve figured the only way to get people to put the book in their hands was to give it away.

Of course, my first thought was, “where has he Bin Hidin?”

225 marge45b  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #219 turn

Adam the Goat boy is still around. The Predator missed.

226 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:26:10am

re: #171 Kenneth

Point is, the Black Guard still exists, and does not appear to have been given other duties within the Shadow Army, which is currently in full operation with multiple brigades operating throughout the FATA and southeastern Afghanistan at this moment.

I don’t have anything else to offer on this point beyond the fact that my military and intel sources (US and otherwise, but unconfirmed) all tell me he’s still alive and moving on a regular basis, but not camera ready.

THAT
IS
ALL,
R

227 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:26:15am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Thank you, spokesman for the right.

228 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:26:20am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Where are you getting your information from? Please link me to some report or article or something that says Obama is releasing Gitmo prisoners to improve his image in Muslim countries.

And while you at it, tell me, how well is that working.

You are paranoid.

According to our local news, one of our newly built correctional facilities is currently empty and they have put a bid in to house some of the inmates. Eerily enough, it is a detention center on one of the Native American Reservations.

229 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

You still here? I have something to tell you

230 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

OT: despite the doom and gloom economic news from the right wing of the blogosphere today……
Stocks bolstered by underlying improvement in sentiment

Quiet, you’ll disturb the recovery

There are signs of recovery. I think ODS is clouding their viewpoint. They seem more interested in promoting the Tea Parties and an economic recovery does not seem in the right’s interest.

If we are recovering it is not because of government spending. Most of that money has not hit the economy yet. I hope we c pull back from the debt precipice if the recovery is real.

231 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

I agree with him. The Tea Parties are not a serious movement of responsible economics. If they were anyone holding a Fair Tax or “End The Fed” sign would be beaten to a pulp for showing up to a Tea Party. They are promoting quack economics.

Somehow I expected that you would jump on that post. I must be psychic!

232 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:27:32am

re: #218 acwgusa

I dunno about the signs of recovery, several companies here in Southern CA are announcing several more rounds of layoffs.


Although unemployment is a problem the market often times sees layoffs as a positive thing. It means the company is getting leaner and meaner. GM could have saved itself if it had done a series of layoff a few years ago and rehired a reasonably paid workforce.

233 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #229 HoosierHoops

You still here? I have something to tell you

Yes. Don’t hurt me.

234 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #209 J.D.

I have no idea what ALL Leftists believe, but a good many of them do believe Bin Laden is an anti-imperialist freedom fighter. When I use the term “leftist” I don’t mean merely liberal, btw. I mean a Marxist of one stripe or another. Consider this book by the UK based writer, Tariq Ali (of Indian Muslim decent, and Communist by inclination)…

The Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads and Modernity

235 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:27:56am

re: #214 Killgore Trout A big issue is the portrayal of the Tea Parties as thinking the Obama administration has caused this downturn. Most of the Tea Party protesters I heard from in live broadcasts and on blogs were upset about the future consequences of taking on so much government debt that will inevitably fall upon our children and children’s children. No one disagrees that were in an economic crisis or at least a downturn. What the protesters are arguing is that big government spending and debt for pet projects is not the solution.

He’s arguing against a straw man that the MSM has conveniently put up with the unwitting ignorance of a few of the more radical protesters.

Look shiny things!

236 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:27:57am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Not really - I would be deeply relieved if the economy improved.

Particularly if inflation stays flat. I’m very worried by inflation. Less for me than for people on fixed incomes - and I’m not talking about Social Security.

237 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:28:02am

re: #227 rightside

You’re welcome. Glad to help.

238 joncelli  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:28:20am

When I see the corpse and the results of the blood test, dental x-rays, and DNA test, and read the unanimously accepted report from the prominent forensic scientists that (A) yes, it’s Osama and (B) he’s dead, Jim, I’ll say he’s dead. Maybe.

/Yes, I’m kinda weary of this whole issue.

239 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Although unemployment is a problem the market often times sees layoffs as a positive thing. It means the company is getting leaner and meaner. GM could have saved itself if it had done a series of layoff a few years ago and rehired a reasonably paid workforce.

Yes, unemployment is a trailing indicator.

240 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:28:36am

re: #223 reine.de.tout

And my husband’s company just instituted an across-the-board pay cut (between 3% and 10% depending on pay) in order to avoid a layoff.


My son works at a casino and they did that a few months ago. The most senior people got cut 10% down to the bottom at 4%. Didn’t affect my son much as he is minimum wage plus his tips. It worked for them as they have had no layoffs in the 4 months since.

241 neverquit  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Where are you getting your information from? Please link me to some report or article or something that says Obama is releasing Gitmo prisoners to improve his image in Muslim countries.

And while you at it, tell me, how well is that working.

You are paranoid.

I somewhat agree with you, however, it has been repeatedly stated by Obama feels that he needs to repair our image, hence, the “open hand” to Iran and Syria.

Personally, I could care less what Syria or Iran think.

242 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:02am

re: #208 Thanos
I have to say that you made a very interesting comment there. But I do think you may have left something out when you said “So if you think he’s dead, then you are either positing that someone in AQ is a technowiz and is faking tapes, or someone in our gov’t is lieing about the voiceprint authentication of the tapes.” and that is that the CIA or whomever is supposedly verifying his voiceprint is not competent or has been ordered to say that it is his voice print - a dead bin Laden is a “martyr” for the cause. Y’all might want to look at my #202 above.

243 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:02am

re: #227 rightside

Thank you, spokesman for the right.

Feel better?

244 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:03am

re: #217 jcm

He really believes is Recovery Act and Budget are the solution, and the the deficit is GWB’s.

Delusional.

he lives in pelosi’s alternate universe.

245 jjag  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:09am

The reason why OBL is dead is simple: Ego.

I’ve said for years that, in an age where it is SIMPLE to put together an extremely high quality video, there’s no way that an ego maniac, like Osama, could resist rubbing it in our faces if he were still alive.

NO WAY!

Read about Osama and the one thing that is clear is that its all about HIM. His father ignored Osama, Osama couldn’t compete with his father’s business success, so he became this religious figurehead in order to prove himself.

His goal was to be noticed. So now, having survived the greatest onslaught of the greatest power in history, we should believe that a massive egoist like Osama can’t be bothered to put out a convincing video? To gloat? To gain adherents and encourage the remaining jihadists?

He’s dead and he’s been dead from about Tora Bora on…..it makes no sense otherwise.

But I agree with Charles; there is no value in this for either side. We don’t want a martyr and they don’t want to admit the suckers’ dead…a failure.

246 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:22am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

OT: despite the doom and gloom economic news from the right wing of the blogosphere today……
Stocks bolstered by underlying improvement in sentiment

Quiet, you’ll disturb the recovery


There are signs of recovery. I think ODS is clouding their viewpoint. They seem more interested in promoting the Tea Parties and an economic recovery does not seem in the right’s interest.

Pray tell oracle on the economic landscape.
U.S. economy shrinks more than expected
Jobless rates rise in all US metro areas in March

247 JustABill  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:24am

re: #208 Thanos

I lean towards alive due to the multiple voice matched audio tapes that reference current events. I think it’s good policy to say he’s dead, because then they have another round of wailing in e-jihadi camps, and new tapes have to be produced as “proof of life”. That gives us another shot at tracking him down if alive, or tracking down the AQ techno-genius’ producing the fake tapes, whichever you would have it.

So if you think he’s dead, then you are either positing that someone in AQ is a technowiz and is faking tapes, or someone in our gov’t is lieing about the voiceprint authentication of the tapes.

If I recall correctly, the “Current Event” references tended to be fairly generic, (ie terrorism against Israel). If he knew he was going to die due to lack of medical equipment, or the electricity to run it or something similar, he could have made up tapes in advance. He might have also known that should he die in an airstrike, the Americans would have trouble securing his body for testing, so making tapes in advance might be a useful precaution in any event.

248 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Although unemployment is a problem the market often times sees layoffs as a positive thing. It means the company is getting leaner and meaner. GM could have saved itself if it had done a series of layoff a few years ago and rehired a reasonably paid workforce.

Or it could mean the company is just trying to stem a mortal wound with a band-aid.

249 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama targets tea bags at town hall

Talk about arrogant…

Sonofabitch.

250 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Speaking of that, what is your take on the recent ownership acquisitions?

251 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:30:07am

re: #48 Mad Al-Jaffee

Isn’t Fox airing the show “Lie to Me” tonight? That’s pretty much the same thing as the annointed one’s speech.

Lifted my line…..thats ok. It was a good one wasn’t it?

252 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:30:41am

re: #236 Dianna

I’m a little concerned about inflation too. However, the possibility of inflation will only happen once the economy starts to recover. We should be lucky enough when that is our biggest problem. I know you’ll think this is naive but I suspect they have a plan in place to deal with inflation.

253 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #196 acwgusa

Good for you, you are a better person them I am. I would launch the missile, regardless.

I would too. Wasn’t there a battle in Baghdad where the Iraqis ambushed our guys from a cemetery? I think I recall that.

254 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:31:01am

Just got a offer to update my furnace and AC to a more energy efficient unit. Part of the stimulus package is a $1500 credit, Carrier had a $900 rebate, the utility company kicked in another $350 energy rebate and zero percent financing, 10 year warranty. I’ll pay back $250 month for 2 years, and save $100 month for the life of the unit, seems like a good deal, especially if energy prices go up.

255 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:31:22am

re: #243 Zimriel

I feel great, you?

256 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:31:46am

re: #213 rightside

The Dialysis story is bogus.

209.85.173.132

It started as a weak agitprop campaign, and things like this aided it along:

cbsnews.com

It’s ISI stuff. Unamed Medical worker in Rawalpindi?

257 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:31:47am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama targets tea bags at town hall


Talk about arrogant…

And somebody blatantly full of shit.

258 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:31:50am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Although unemployment is a problem the market often times sees layoffs as a positive thing. It means the company is getting leaner and meaner. GM could have saved itself if it had done a series of layoff a few years ago and rehired a reasonably paid workforce.

When I stop laughing at that…

Whew! all right!

How, please, could GM have laid off their pension obligations? Or even laid off workers (they tried, I recall), in the face of the UAW?

259 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:31:52am

Headline needs some work:

Kulongoski to paint Columbia River Bridge as job generator.

The state of Oregon must be broke indeed if the governor is out painting the bridge personally.

(Yes, I know what it means.)

link: oregonlive.com

260 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:32:03am

re: #254 avanti

Just got a offer to update my furnace and AC to a more energy efficient unit. Part of the stimulus package is a $1500 credit, Carrier had a $900 rebate, the utility company kicked in another $350 energy rebate and zero percent financing, 10 year warranty. I’ll pay back $250 month for 2 years, and save $100 month for the life of the unit, seems like a good deal, especially if energy prices go up.

Sure, especially since the TAXPAYERS are covering that 1500 credit. You could at least thank all of us.

261 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:32:21am

re: #220 JohnnyReb

Fake audio tapes do not take a techno whiz to gin up. Anyone with a good PC can do them. Plus the fact that the Taliban has enough money to hire a techno whiz and to keep their mouth(s) shut about anything they have done.

Not without leaving telltale signs.

262 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #204 Kenneth

Liberals may find OBL an acceptable villain. But my point is that to many leftists, bin Laden is/was not a bad guy at all, he was a freedom fighting hero or a harmless fabrication.

True - the death of OBL also provides the hard left with an opportunity to declare victory since OBL is dead and stop fighting / opposing islamofascism and jihadist terrorism anywhere in the world. Once the villian is gone, then the need to fight is also gone.

I’m confident that the pros and cons of announcing OBL’s death is something that is regularly discussed in the cave / safe house…..

263 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:32:25am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I’m a little concerned about inflation too. However, the possibility of inflation will only happen once the economy starts to recover. We should be lucky enough when that is our biggest problem. I know you’ll think this is naive but I suspect they have a plan in place to deal with inflation.

I’m more fearful of deflation because I have mortgage. I’ve heard good arguments for both. But I think inflation is most likely.

264 blangwort  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:13am

OBL might be dead. Nobody can say for sure. What we can say with good certainty is that he is no longer relevant. He hasn’t made broadcasts in many months. The previous broadcasts had doubtful authenticity.

I think this is really the best of all the options. There is no opportunity for his followers to go seething. There is no opportunity for any of our politicians to grand-stand and take credit for something they had very little to do with. There is no grave site for people to exalt or deface. He has just faded in to oblivion.

I like it. The Al-Qaida nitwits remain fractured and leaderless. They’re busy keeping their heads down, trying to restart the Taliban, and mostly failing.

The fewer boogiemen that our politicians have to scare us, the better off we are.

265 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama targets tea bags at town hall


Talk about arrogant…

You’d almost think the Tea Parties (that he claimed to be oblivious to, according to his press secretary, The Family Guy) got under his skin a little bit.

266 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #250 formercorpsman

Speaking of that, what is your take on the recent ownership acquisitions?


Are you talking about the government becoming shareholders? I don’t know how this will all work out but I feel pretty confident that it will be a temporary, not permanent situation. The Government might even make a decent profit selling its stock back on the open market once the economy recovers.

267 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:15am

re: #254 avanti

Just got a offer to update my furnace and AC to a more energy efficient unit. Part of the stimulus package is a $1500 credit, Carrier had a $900 rebate, the utility company kicked in another $350 energy rebate and zero percent financing, 10 year warranty. I’ll pay back $250 month for 2 years, and save $100 month for the life of the unit, seems like a good deal, especially if energy prices go up.

You know, Avanti posts these sort of messages on purpose. He thinks he’s clever, but it is a clear as ice what he is up to. Thank fucking goodness you don’t play poker Avanti, you would be taken to the cleaners.

268 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:28am

re: #256 Thanos

I had no idea, but I still think he’s assumed room temperature. I sure the hell hope he is anyway.

269 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:36am

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Isn’t that rich?

You just have to love it.

270 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:53am

re: #234 Kenneth

The book has no bibliography and only a handful of footnotes, largely from secondary sources. Some undocumented howlers: FDR maneuvered Japan into war; the “massacre of civilian populations was always an integral part of US warmaking strategy” in Vietnam; and Harvard economists persuaded Boris Yeltsin, “an amoral and debauched clown,” to adopt free-market policies that gave Russians “the most harrowing ordeal” of the postwar era presumably including the Stalin years.


Well, clearly, he is a moron.

271 3 wood  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:56am

Unemployment continues to grow in many regions:
Unemployment: 109 cities at 10% or higher

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Unemployment rates in 109 metropolitan areas reached 10% or higher in March, almost eight times more than a year earlier, according to a government report released Wednesday.

The Labor Department reported that the unemployment rates in all of the nation’s 372 metropolitan areas rose in March compared with the same month in the prior year.

According to the report, just 14 areas had rates of 10% or more in March of last year.

Jobless rates of at least 15% were reported in March in 18 areas, compared with only one - El Centro, Calif. - the previous year.

The number of metropolitan regions had unemployment rates under 7% dropped significantly to 95 from 329 in March 2008.

272 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34:04am

re: #208 Thanos

I’m confused about current events, hasn’t it been years since we “authenticated” a tape of him?

273 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34:04am

OT:
Trial begins in France of ringleader of 27 thugs who brutally murdered a French Jew, but here’s where things get curious. The ring leader is 27 years old, but he’s standing trial in juvenile court? Anyone with French legal experience understand that one?

The alleged leader of a group of 27 young people charged with participating in the torture and killing of a young French Jew took his seat in juvenile court Wednesday with the defiant declaration, “Allah will be victorious.”

The 23-year-old victim, Ilan Halimi was found naked, handcuffed and covered with burn marks near railroad tracks in the Essonne region south of Paris on Feb. 13, 2006. He died on the way to the hospital after being held captive for more than three weeks.

Youssouf Fofana, 28-year-old alleged leader of a group of 10 young women and 17 young men, stands accused of a crime that shocked the nation. He is charged with premeditated murder, demanding ransom, and acts of torture and barbarism, and faces a possible maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

274 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34:14am

re: #236 Dianna

Not really - I would be deeply relieved if the economy improved.

Particularly if inflation stays flat. I’m very worried by inflation. Less for me than for people on fixed incomes - and I’m not talking about Social Security.

Well I agree that it would be truly wonderful if the economy recovers no matter who the President is. But, since I am dependent totally on SSDI for income, why are you not concerned about people on fixed incomes other than social security?

275 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34:22am

re: #269 formercorpsman

Isn’t that rich?

You just have to love it.

He knows what he’s doing, posting messages like that.

276 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34:28am
277 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:34:30am
278 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #242 realwest

I have to say that you made a very interesting comment there. But I do think you may have left something out when you said “So if you think he’s dead, then you are either positing that someone in AQ is a technowiz and is faking tapes, or someone in our gov’t is lieing about the voiceprint authentication of the tapes.” and that is that the CIA or whomever is supposedly verifying his voiceprint is not competent or has been ordered to say that it is his voice print - a dead bin Laden is a “martyr” for the cause. Y’all might want to look at my #202 above.

Yes, there is always incompetence, but it’s low probability since multiple people would have examined these tapes multiple times, and if there were tell tale signs wouldn’t it make a great story and be all over the internet?

279 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:29am

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

No, you’re mistaken. That’s govt money they’re using, not ours.

/typical Leno “man on the street”

280 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:32am

re: #271 3 wood
Hey 3 wood, please check your e-mail!

281 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:40am

I know where Osama is: He’s staying at Hitler’s villa in Paraguay. Elvis performs for them every night. DB Cooper parachutes in from of Amelia Earhart’s plane for Sunday brunch.

282 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:41am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

Actually, more the thread Charles ran yesterday about the UAW / pensioners.

283 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I’m a little concerned about inflation too. However, the possibility of inflation will only happen once the economy starts to recover. We should be lucky enough when that is our biggest problem. I know you’ll think this is naive but I suspect they have a plan in place to deal with inflation.

If there is one thing I fear, it’s inflation. I can deal with and work around almost everything else, one way or another, but the way inflation eats everything terrifies me.

284 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:48am

re: #233 Walter L. Newton

Yes. Don’t hurt me.

Dear Walter…As hard as you are on some posters..You showed great kindness to a fellow lizard yesterday..A Vet in need…
About 6 weeks ago you posted about your dream was to have Euro’s for your Coin Collection.
I opened the safe today and I’m Fed-EXing you a rare set issued by the EU of all the Euro’s…In a gift set..Very rare..very expensive.
Een eerste kennismaking..met de euromunten European issued set..
Thanks for helping our precious Vet’s…I got your address..expect delivery in 2 days..
/I told you I had friends in Europe
Thank you Walter

285 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:53am

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

He knows what he’s doing, posting messages like that.

I think he’s simply sharing his good fortune. But I loved your response to him. :)

286 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:56am

re: #222 J.D.

re: #225 marge45b

Thanks, we’ll hear more of his propaganda then it seems.

287 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:01am

re: #277 TheHardHat

Osama may be dead but his spirt lives on in Obama.

Oh look, another fucking jerk who will now run away. So, Hardshit, why is Obama carrying Laden’s spirit?

288 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:05am

re: #277 TheHardHat

Some hyperbole is counterproductive.

289 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:27am

Does anybody have an address? I’d like to send an exploding bouquet of flowers.

290 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:30am

re: #278 Thanos What about the “martyr” point I made?

291 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:31am

Y’all really need to drop the “living in a cave” meme.

OBL hasn’t been in a cave since Tora Bora and he left that very quickly. While not exactly the heights of modernity, the FATA regions of Pakistan do have fairly modern (late 20th century) medical facilities available. Quetta itself has around two dozen major hospitals and clinics.

BOOK
OF
ARMAGEDDON,
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292 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:32am

re: #257 bolivar

And somebody blatantly full of shit.

Here is the money quote:

“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”

“But,” Obama continued, “let’s not play games and pretend that the reason [for the deficit] is because of the Recovery Act.”

It is all about him, he is a spoiled rotten brat that should have had a few more spankings growing up. that may have convinced him that he is not the center of the universe.

He and his administration do not have a single flippin clue, not one, about the economy.

293 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:44am

Maybe Bin Laden is pinin’ for the fjords.

294 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #277 TheHardHat

Osama may be dead but his spirt lives on in Obama.

Take a hike.

295 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #274 realwest

Well I agree that it would be truly wonderful if the economy recovers no matter who the President is. But, since I am dependent totally on SSDI for income, why are you not concerned about people on fixed incomes other than social security?

Sorry, I was thinking about fixed pensions. Particularly the pensions of people who do not receive Social Security.

296 3 wood  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:58am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I know you’ll think this is naive but I suspect they have a plan in place to deal with inflation.

Such as?

297 jaunte  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:36:59am

re: #277 TheHardHat

Not helpful.

298 greygandalf  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:37:09am

I can understand why the jihadis dont want to say he’s dead. He is an inspiring figure to them. Why would our government not say we think he is dead?

299 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:37:24am

re: #147 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, I heard that too. It’s an interesting point, but it seems to me that an adult with common sense would have known better whether he was active military or a decent civilian appointee.

You’re right - but unfortunately, Obama hasn’t been appointing many adults with common sense.

300 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:37:31am

Avanti and OBL on the same thread? Bait and twitch?

301 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:37:51am

re: #254 avanti

Just got a offer to update my furnace and AC to a more energy efficient unit. Part of the stimulus package is a $1500 credit, Carrier had a $900 rebate, the utility company kicked in another $350 energy rebate and zero percent financing, 10 year warranty. I’ll pay back $250 month for 2 years, and save $100 month for the life of the unit, seems like a good deal, especially if energy prices go up.

We got this same thing LAST SPRING when we replaced our heater and AC. It’s been available for a long time—now the Stimulus is taking credit for it.

Just FYI, we haven’t seen the energy savings promised (it was a very cold winter) but we are happy with the new units.

302 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:37:55am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I’m a little concerned about inflation too. However, the possibility of inflation will only happen once the economy starts to recover. We should be lucky enough when that is our biggest problem. I know you’ll think this is naive but I suspect they have a plan in place to deal with inflation.

His remedy is tax the hell out of the business owners.

As George Will said, he’s never even managed a Dairy Queen.

303 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:38:06am

re: #284 HoosierHoops
Way to go Hoops!

304 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

You don’t like him do you Walter? Come on fess up……

305 rightside  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:38:24am

re: #271 3 wood

ahhh… it must be they are laying off to get “leaner and meaner”

306 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #277 TheHardHat

Hmmm…..

Karma: -9
Registered since: Jun 9, 2008 at 9:23 am
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 22
No. of links posted: 0

22 comments in 10 months….we’re not missing much here if this comment is an example.

ODS is as repugnant as BDS. We don’t need to be tarred as being rabid with ODS.

307 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:38:37am

re: #281 zombie

I know where Osama is: He’s staying at Hitler’s villa in Paraguay. Elvis performs for them every night. DB Cooper parachutes in from of Amelia Earhart’s plane for Sunday brunch.

I heard Jim Morrison is the warm up act.

308 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:38:43am

re: #248 acwgusa

Or it could mean the company is just trying to stem a mortal wound with a band-aid.

I worked for a company that wanted to improve their revenue per employee number by getting rid of employees, but without making the structural changes needed; that is, the same bosses were making decisions about who to get rid of that got the company into the mess.
Their revenues went down at least with the employee count, so their ratio never improved.
That company no longer exists, but I think its managers are still screwing up other companies.

309 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:39:02am

re: #241 neverquit

Obama called for Gitmo to be closed because he promised his electoral base he would do that. (Not that he has any idea what he’s going to do instead).

For the record, the practice of releasing some detainees has been going on for years. Obama did not start it.

310 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:39:03am

re: #298 greygandalf

I can understand why the jihadis dont want to say he’s dead. He is an inspiring figure to them. Why would our government not say we think he is dead?

I think RW nails it above.

It is the kind of thing that would require proof. We don’t have it. We have his notable absence. Not his corpse.

311 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:39:11am

re: #284 HoosierHoops

Dear Walter…As hard as you are on some posters..You showed great kindness to a fellow lizard yesterday..A Vet in need…
About 6 weeks ago you posted about your dream was to have Euro’s for your Coin Collection.
I opened the safe today and I’m Fed-EXing you a rare set issued by the EU of all the Euro’s…In a gift set..Very rare..very expensive.
Een eerste kennismaking..met de euromunten European issued set..
Thanks for helping our precious Vet’s…I got your address..expect delivery in 2 days..
/I told you I had friends in Europe
Thank you Walter

You know what I am going to say. Thank you very much, it will be treasured.

And you also know, I hope all Lizards know, that in no way was I expecting anything in return.

I’m not Jewish, but there are a number of Jewish concepts that I keep in my heart, and tzadakah is one of them.

Now, I realize that tzadakah is usually private, not accomplished through a public forum such as this, but, as a goy, I’m allowed to bend the rules a bit.

So, thank you again, so so much.

312 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:39:17am

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

Oh look, another fucking jerk who will now run away. So, Hardshit, why is Obama carrying Laden’s spirit?

/Because Obama is a secret Muslim

313 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:39:23am

re: #292 JohnnyReb

DING!

314 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:39:48am

Looks like it’s going to be one of those days.

315 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:40:04am

re: #254 avanti

Just got a offer to update my furnace and AC to a more energy efficient unit. Part of the stimulus package is a $1500 credit, Carrier had a $900 rebate, the utility company kicked in another $350 energy rebate and zero percent financing, 10 year warranty. I’ll pay back $250 month for 2 years, and save $100 month for the life of the unit, seems like a good deal, especially if energy prices go up.

Can I ride the Harley you buy?

316 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:40:27am

re: #295 Dianna

Sorry, I was thinking about fixed pensions. Particularly the pensions of people who do not receive Social Security.

Lot of people getting by with no raises so they are in the same boat.

317 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:40:34am

re: #290 realwest

What about the “martyr” point I made?

The martyr bit has lost some of it’s appeal over the past few years. The martyrs now are mentally deficient, forced, or sociopaths. They’ve used up the diehards.

also note this:
On May 16, 2008, an audio tape appeared purportedly by al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued to the Western People: “Reasons of the struggle on the occasion of the 60th anniversary of the founding of the occupying state of Israel” The second in three days, once again is an audio message, with no new imagery of bin Laden seen. A video version of the message was released showing an older still image of bin Laden while an audio message plays in the background. The message is 22 minutes, 41 seconds long. The message addresses the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel.

318 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #295 Dianna
Whew! Thanks for that. Especially because I’ve paid into social security WAAAAY more than I’ll ever collect from it!
And I agree with you about inflation. I mean, Obama has proposed a budget with a nearly $2 TRILLION DEFICIT - only way to cover that is by keeping the printing presses running.

319 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:41:20am

re: #306 Athos
Well said my friend, well said.

320 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:41:33am

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

I reserve my judgment on that assertion.

One difference I consider inherent to the major separation between right-think, and left-think, is the innate knowledge of cost.

Someone to the right automatically interprets a program like that as someone playing with their money.

Someone to the left automatically interprets a program like that as the government being proactive with the government’s own money.

321 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:05am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

That was my initial hope when all this started to fall down. I grow less confident every day that the government will be willing to relinquish ownership - and commensurate control - at any time soon.

322 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:06am

re: #304 bolivar

You don’t like him do you Walter? Come on fess up……

No, I don’t. I can only go by what I read here in Avanti’s posts, but, understand this, I would have no problem present my opinions to Avanti, face to face, in the same tone I do here.

The only saving grace could be that he really doesn’t see what is really contained in his comments. But, I don’t think so. So, until he can prove otherwise, no, I do not like him.

And yes, I have up dinged him and even complimented him on a few occasions. I my mind, that’s only fair, if I actually agree with him, then I have no problem saying so.

323 turn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #245 jjag

That post just convinced turn that OBL is dead, thanks for straightening me out. Can’t argue with a thing.

324 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Sure, especially since the TAXPAYERS are covering that 1500 credit. You could at least thank all of us.

And our children, as years from now they will still be paying off that furnace for Avanti.

325 3 wood  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:58am

Got to run to a meeting. Later.

326 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:15am

re: #292 JohnnyReb

That was the first thing I noticed in the quote.

Veiled references. Double speak.

327 neverquit  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #291
Render

I think he is still alive. The Jihadis would love to make a martyr out of him, and would not hesitate to do so.

He has the protections of the Tribes and the Drug Lords (and drug routes).

Our people, and satellites know the maps, but not the territory. He’s dug in like an Alabama tick.

328 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:40am

I’ve got to get back to work but a couple links for those who might want to delve into the “real or not” discussion:

telegraph.co.uk

Here’s a wikl list of the tapes with a good link swarm to articles at the bottom:

en.wikipedia.org

329 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Sure, especially since the TAXPAYERS are covering that 1500 credit. You could at least thank all of us.

Thank you Walter and the rest. I think if it gets folks to buy more energy efficient heating/cooling and saves some energy it’s money well spent. If it helps keeps a few guys working, it’s a bonus. I just thought that the others might have 10-20 year old systems should know about the rebate.

330 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:04am

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

I heard Jim Morrison is the warm up act.

“This is The End, beautiful friend, The End…”

331 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:09am

re: #314 Charles

Sorry.

Take it easy, and don’t stress out.

332 neverquit  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:21am

re: #309 Kenneth

I did not mention Gitmo.

333 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #314 Charles

Looks like it’s going to be one of those days.

Oh shit, now what?

334 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:39am

Oh, fan mail.

335 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #318 realwest

Whew! Thanks for that. Especially because I’ve paid into social security WAAAAY more than I’ll ever collect from it!
And I agree with you about inflation. I mean, Obama has proposed a budget with a nearly $2 TRILLION DEFICIT - only way to cover that is by keeping the printing presses running.

Oh, I know. I’m so sorry and upset for you.

336 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:11am

re: #322 Walter L. Newton

Confession is good for the soul.

337 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:46am

re: #207 eschew_obfuscation

Yes. As another lizard put it earlier…. Amateur Hour in the White House.

The One’s administration is making the early Clinton administration look like a bunch of seasoned professionals.

Scary, that.

338 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:33am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

You know, Avanti posts these sort of messages on purpose. He thinks he’s clever, but it is a clear as ice what he is up to. Thank fucking goodness you don’t play poker Avanti, you would be taken to the cleaners.

So would you. You chase every parked car that turns up in here.

339 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:09am

re: #316 bolivar

Lot of people getting by with no raises so they are in the same boat.

I know - but there’s a chance of raises, or a different job. An elderly person (over 75, say) on a fixed pension, is rather stuck.

Not really the same boat, though there is a passing resemblance.

340 realwest  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:48am

Well y’all it’s been interesting and informative as usual but I gotta go now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

341 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

You know, Avanti posts these sort of messages on purpose. He thinks he’s clever, but it is a clear as ice what he is up to. Thank fucking goodness you don’t play poker Avanti, you would be taken to the cleaners.

Walter, I DO play poker as a matter of fact, but seldom make it into the money rounds in the tournaments. I do very well in the cash games at the casino’s though, mostly Texas Hold-um and Asian poker.

342 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:48:03am

re: #338 haakondahl

So would you. You chase every parked car that turns up in here.

I never claimed to be a gamble, just a curmudgeon, with an opinion, sometimes right, sometimes wrong, and sometimes just for the fucking fun of it.

Honest.

343 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #332 neverquit

You quoted somebody who did mention Gitmo. While you are correct, Obama has said he wants to improve America’s image in Muslim countries (as did Bush), the real audience for that remark was liberal America. Liberals love to think foreigners like them.

344 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:51:00am

re: #339 Dianna

Well my wife is going on 2 years with no raise, higher co-pays, higher premiums, no 401 match - see the pattern here - everybody is getting porked. I see your point but, old folks are not alone in this - we are all getting rump rangered and it does not feel good. The messiah is not using lube and it chafes to say the least.

345 KenJen  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:51:14am

re: #329 avanti

Thank you Walter and the rest. I think if it gets folks to buy more energy efficient heating/cooling and saves some energy it’s money well spent. If it helps keeps a few guys working, it’s a bonus. I just thought that the others might have 10-20 year old systems should know about the rebate.

You could save all your money and not use any energy by not having a heating/cooling system at all.

346 neverquit  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:51:33am

re: #343 Kenneth

Yup.

There has been a basic shift. Now, Liberal America wants to emulate the socialists of W Europe. Used to be the other way around. Having lived and worked with the working classes in Europe, it scares this shit out of me.

347 yesandno  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #277 TheHardHat

Osama may be dead but his spirt lives on in Obama.


That sounds so blasphemous.

But since Osama wanted to destroy capitalism and the Great Satan, it would seem that Obama is accomplishing the same thing through the back door.

In that observation, you are dead on.

348 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:54:24am

re: #315 J.D.

Can I ride the Harley you buy?

I prefer vintage Japanese motor cylcles. I just sold a Suzuki GT 750 like this one.

GT 750.

349 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:54:27am

re: #273 lawhawk

OT:
Trial begins in France of ringleader of 27 thugs who brutally murdered a French Jew, but here’s where things get curious. The ring leader is 27 years old, but he’s standing trial in juvenile court? Anyone with French legal experience understand that one?

Too bad the French abandoned the guillotine and death penalty in ‘81.

350 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:54:46am

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

I never claimed to be a gamble, just a curmudgeon, with an opinion, sometimes right, sometimes wrong, and sometimes just for the fucking fun of it.

Honest.

/Not that there’s anything *wrong* with that…

351 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #329 avanti

Funny thing Avanti, I am for those same things.

What I am against, is the marionette tactics of the politicians, graft, and class warfare in the process.

Everything you cite is a great goal. The shenanigans that come with it are not.

352 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #306 Athos

Hmmm…..

22 comments in 10 months….we’re not missing much here if this comment is an example.

ODS is as repugnant as BDS. We don’t need to be tarred as being rabid with ODS.

Moby.

353 Rancher  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:57:47am

I don’t think we know if he is dead. Bush caught so much grief over not getting him that I doubt he would suppress that info. Obama would like nothing better than to declare him dead on his watch and the idea that he would suppress that info for security reasons is laughable in the extreme. Mostly however is our inability to keep such a secret, if we knew he was dead it would have been leaked.

354 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:57:52am

re: #301 VioletTiger

We got this same thing LAST SPRING when we replaced our heater and AC. It’s been available for a long time—now the Stimulus is taking credit for it.

Just FYI, we haven’t seen the energy savings promised (it was a very cold winter) but we are happy with the new units.

That’s great news, then Walter can blame Bush for my $1500 I guess. :) Maybe the stimulus bill just continued the Bush program. I suspect the bulk of the savings is with the AC.

355 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:58:19am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Although unemployment is a problem the market often times sees layoffs as a positive thing. It means the company is getting leaner and meaner. GM could have saved itself if it had done a series of layoff a few years ago and rehired a reasonably paid workforce.

Layoffs at one company can be a positive thing. High numbers of layoffs across the country isn’t.
Wave after wave of layoffs means that large numbers of people, including those who haven’t yet lost jobs or income, stop going out and buying things they can currently get along without.

356 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

I heard Jim Morrison is the warm up act.

And Jimmy Hoffa is the chauffeur.

357 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:01:16am
I believe he was dead years ago

Same here. I’ve thought for a long time that he either bought it at Tora Bora, or was so badly injured there that he was permanently decommissioned. There hasn’t been any verifiable word from him - for example, a picture of him holding yesterday’s newspaper - since, despite the enormous propaganda value such an appearance would have for Team aQ.

Time to focus attention on Bumpy.

358 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:01:57am

re: #278 Thanos

Yes, there is always incompetence, but it’s low probability since multiple people would have examined these tapes multiple times, and if there were tell tale signs wouldn’t it make a great story and be all over the internet?

Can you give us a link to a recent news article about a tape of Bin Laden?

359 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:06:19am

re: #356 Cato the Elder

And Jimmy Hoffa is the chauffeur.

Elvis is the pharmacist.

360 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:09:35am

re: #358 Simply Me

MSNBC Video

abcnews.go.com

telegraph.co.uk

GOOGLE
FOO,
R

361 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:11:34am

re: #306 Athos

Hmmm…..


22 comments in 10 months….we’re not missing much here if this comment is an example.

ODS is as repugnant as BDS. We don’t need to be tarred as being rabid with ODS.

And none of those other comments turn up in a search.

Sound the dinner bell - I think we’ve got a live troll here!

362 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:53am

Well, Charles says:

I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11, but that both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.


But the link Render provided from Sept 8, 2007 has the CIA providing a sort of verification of the tapes and Bush using the tapes to justify the war in Iraq:

Although the CIA has not completed a full analysis, intelligence officials told NBC News that they “presume the tape is authentic, and this is bin Laden.”

A technical analysis suggests the voice on the video is that of bin Laden, a different intelligence official said. He said he had no analysis of bin Laden’s physical appearance on the tape.

363 Shug  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:19:08am

Late to the thread

take this FWIW

Wife’s uncle is in a very high position at NY Stock exchange. High enough to get briefings from people who know these things.

they were told at some briefing that OBL was taken out in the spring of 2002.

I’ve never bought into that totally. Why wouldn’t Bush want the credit?

364 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:04am

re: #362 Simply Me

If nothing else it does serve to prove that LGF is not full of lockstep yesmen agreeing with everything that Mr. Johnson has ever posted.

Thanos and I have been in disagreement with Charles over this very question for quite a while and neither of us has been banned for it.

YET,
R

365 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:49am

re: #363 Shug

I’ve never bought into that totally. Why wouldn’t Bush want the credit?

Supposition only - with OBL down and out, the pressure would be on to declare the war over and won…..yet the threats still remain regardless of if OBL is at room temperature or not. Say what one will about 43, his focus was less on self-promotion and more on doing what he felt was best for the country. He could have easily taken the path to tout the victory and called it over at that point. I think many of the ‘D’ would have done just that and spun it if proven wrong - just like the Speaker did on the waterboarding issue.

366 wonk-a-donk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:45am

re: #314 Charles

Looks like it’s going to be one of those days.

Won’t be long before the WH is claiming credit for it…

367 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:40:41am

re: #360 Render

All three of those tapes involve still photos of OBL with voice overs. They do not prove OBL is alive at all. If he was alive, there would certainly be a live video image of him talking about some new event. All we get are these re-edits and voice overs. There has been no such video since early 2002. Therefore OBL is dead.

368 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:45:47am

re: #362 Simply Me

Actually, NBC claims unnamed CIA officials stated they verified the voice as OBL’s. That is not at all the same thing as a having a verifiable true video tape of a living, breathing OBL. That’s argument by authority, second hand.

I want to see something that I can personally verify. Like Osama holding up a recent newspaper and talking about some recent event. Voice overs don’t pass the test.

369 Simply Me  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:52am

re: #367 Kenneth

Hi Render and Kenneth,
Actually, I think the news article can be seen to support the position the OBL is dead. It did not really say that the CIA viewed the tape as verifying OBL was alive. Rather, the CIA “presumes” that OBL is alive and the tape is authentic. It seems like a policy decision. And it was a policy decision that allowed Bush to use the tapes to rally support for the war in Iraq:

President Bush said Saturday that Osama bin Laden’s first video appearance in three years is a reminder of “the dangerous world in which we live.”

“It’s important that we show resolve and determination to protect ourselves, to deny al-Qaida safe haven and support young democracies, which will be a major defeat to their ambitions,” Bush said about the video released just days before the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

370 Free_Radical  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:08:16pm

Instead of batting hypotheses about, why don’t we put some ‘money’ on the question?

ENTER FREE RADICAL’s DEADPOOL CASINO! (With hookers! And blackjack!)
House rules: you may bet up to 100 Lizard Tokens™ on the following questions:

1) Did Bin Laden die at or as a result of Tora Bora?
House bets- No for 95 tokens! (the problem is the 2004 video tape. It seems as genuine as any that we have gotten out of As-Sabah (AQI media), and it has the ‘proof of life’- the bit about John Kerry.)
2) Is Bin Laden dead now?
House bets- Yes for 50 tokens! (There are plenty of reasons pro and con for either trumpeting or hiding this info. But I’m stacking some good money on this because…)
3) IF (and only if) Bin Laden is dead, when did he die? (THIS IS A ‘HORSESHOE’ question- close counts.)
House bets- 80 tokens on 1st half of 2007! (The reason is the weirdness of the 2007 video tape. There are some stupid technical errors which are totally beneath As-Sabah, leading me to think that it is a cut-up released specifically to cover up his demise.)
4) Is the current Pakistani media push saying he is dead based on intel reports?
House bets- No for 75 tokens! (This strikes me as a push against a new president to STOP THE PREDATORS. The push could be for virtuous reasons (predator strikes strengthening Taliban) or nefarious ones (predator strikes rolling up Taliban/AQ.)

Thank you all for playing…

371 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:20:17pm

There isn’t any real video of Baitullah Mehsud either (and damn few still photos), but he is very clearly still alive.

Every single video of Ayman Al-Zawahiri includes the exact same AK-74U with the exact same under barrel GP-25 grenade launcher as a back round prop (scratches and other marks on the metal surface and stock in the same places). Does this mean those vids were all filmed at the same time?

AFAIK, Zawahari is the only other al-Q High Value Target under the protection of the Black Guard.

OBL handpicks the members of the Black Guard and their loyalty is sworn to him and him alone. He meets every single one of them personally before they are picked. Ergo if OBL is toast, the Black Guard of al-Q has no reason for existence.

NOT
A
TEST,
R

372 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:22:50pm

re: #371 Render

Yours is a circular argument.

The mission for the Black Guard has changed.

373 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:28:17pm

re: #372 Kenneth

Got a link? Cuz Roggio and company disagree with that.

FOR
THE
MOMENT,
R

374 JarHeadLifer  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:33:25pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

Haven’t there been confirmed OBL tapes since then? I thought at least a few of his post-2002 Smash Hits had been pretty well confirmed.

Yes. I think that Bin Laden has released video’s where he’s referenced contemporary (at the time) natural disasters, like Katrina or the Boxing Day Tsunami. I’m pretty sure he also made some comments about John Kerry running against Bush.

375 apachegunner  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:06:11pm

ok lizards, gotta run but before I do I must say you guys and gurls are quite a bunch. I’ve learned I don’t need to say much, just read your great, intelligent stuff. Seems to me there is no better place to hang out all day with a little window on my desk top opened to LGF. And besides that the charity you show is heart lifting. Keep up the great work!

376 pittrader1988  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:46:54pm

re: #16 Cato the Elder

I don’t think the US has any reason to want to keep him alive. As a soldier told me once, if he had the chance to take Hitler or shoot him, he would have shot him. Knowing your fearless leader is dead takes a lot of spirit out of the troopers.

As for the Taliban, they certainly want him alive because he inspires hope for the troops. Hence, all the tapes etc we have seen. I agree with anyone above-OBL was dead at Tora Bora. John Kerry kept saying we lost him there, but when has he been right about anything.

377 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:55:30pm

So, if Bin Laden is dead why hasnt the seething stopped?

One man doesnt a Jihad make.

Whether he is dead, alive or somewhere in between, the jihad is here and we had better not drop the ball. And dont forget the silent Jihad……

378 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:00:58pm

re: #364 Render

If nothing else it does serve to prove that LGF is not full of lockstep yesmen agreeing with everything that Mr. Johnson has ever posted.

Thanos and I have been in disagreement with Charles over this very question for quite a while and neither of us has been banned for it.

YET,
R

I agree with you R, reasoned debate is healthy and it keeps all options on the table, even the most remote, until they are eliminated as of fact. In this way, we do not allow one persons possible biased opinion cloud the judgement of the entire issue. If this should happen, fatal mistakes can result. Just sayin……

379 Mad Mullah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:44:43pm

I certainly wouldn’t trust anything coming out of Pakistan regarding Bin Laden. Far too many of those people love the guy over there.

He might be dead or he might not, there is no proof of anything.

If he is alive, then I hope that he dies in a shootout and his patched together corpse gets shown all over the world just like Saddam’s sons were. I certainly wouldn’t want him to stand trial and he certainly wouldn’t be of any use as far as information is concerned. Terrorists all over the world now know that if they are captured by the USA, they will be treated nicely from now on and they can simply refuse to answer any questions whatsoever. They’ll still get their korans, their specially prepared halal food and better health care than many Americans and a better standard of living than in most third world countries where most of those nuts originate from. It’s pretty much a win, win situation for them.

If he’s dead, then not much changes in my opinion. There’s still plenty of Jihadist douches out there, and Bin Laden was just one guy.

380 Totally Berserk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:46:40pm

I read a book by the Tora Bora Delta Force commander, and in it was a tantalizing story, about a cave entrance which was so obliterated by ordnance that there’s (apparently) no power on earth which could see what’s buried there.

Intuitively, the truth is that he’s dead. I couldn’t possibly surmise who put together that creepy puppet show in 2004, or why, but it seems a certainty that he would be taunting us with fresh video if he could.

381 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:51:55pm

re:

Well that’s almost certainly not the case, as there was a pretty solid piece of evidence he was alive around the time of the 2004 presidential election (that videotape that popped up just a few days before the 2004 election—I don’t think there’s any real doubt among the experts who analyzed the tape that the tape’s legit and that it indicates bin Laden was alive at least until the time that Kerry was nominated as the Democratic candidate for president).

He may have died since then—although many people speculated he was dead up until the tape popped up in 2004 as well.

382 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:54:27pm

re: #381 Mr. Sandman

Strange that certain actions cause sentences to disappear in these posts. What I was responding to in the above post was the specific contention that

“I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11”

Somehow that quote disappeared when I put a RE plus colon before it.

383 DeathtotheSwiss  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:58:34pm

I still don’t think he’s dead, just locked in a strangle-hold by the superior might of the US military.

Still, it IS a pleasant belief to hold.

384 Totally Berserk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:00:07pm

‘E’s not pinin, ‘e’s passed on! This is an ex-terrorist!

385 UncleRancher  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:13:37pm

He’s dead, Jim.

Tora Bora got ‘im. One of them new-fangled fuel-vapor bombs, I’m guessin’
However, for both sides it’s been more convenient for him to be “alive”.

386 Jason86  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:22:29pm

I happen to think bin Laden is dead but, I wouldn’t trust the Pakistani Intelligence Agency as an honest source.

387 shai  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:46:03pm

So what is Charles’s stance on the Bin Laden tapes that came out after? Hired actor by the CIA or what?

388 odorlesspaintthinner  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 4:57:35pm

“I believe he was dead years ago, maybe even during the first push into Afghanistan after 9/11, but that both sides — the jihadis and the US government — have reasons for not admitting it.”

I have to agree with the others here who voiced skepticism at the inclusion of “the US government” in this. That raised an immediate eyebrow. And actually, re: jihadis, what was voiced by a former Moslem was that if OBL was dead his martyrdom would have to be announced to be thought of as taking effect. I never verified that.

389 Macker  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:21:54pm

Hey Osama! SHOW US YOU’RE ALIVE YOU COWARDLY MOTHERFRAKKER!

390 SalsaNChips  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:06:26am

I’ve been positive all along that OBL was on the receiving end of a Daisy Cutter around December, 2001 and is buried under a collapsed mountain in Tora Bora.

The problem all along has been — no body. So, an element of doubt exists which has been exploited on all sides for various agendas.

391 tsionguy  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:50:51pm

This could be a sequel to the movie “Weekend At Bernie’s”.


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