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Our post titled “Rebranding Hate in the Age of Obama” triggered several hate mails, including this charmer titled “You lost me,” from a self-identified “white male” in New York who seems to think I’ll be crushed when he doesn’t visit LGF any more.

Sorry Charles but I am no longer a fan of your site.do you not understand that actions cause reactions.White people(I’m one of them and also a big Zionist)just wanted to see America settle after the 60’s but all it seemed to do is empower the worst of the worst.I am tired of being considered the enemy(white male)in this country and I think it is causing some strange bedfellows to come together,now I will never hold hands with a grand dragon klan nut but I think �American whites are putting that aside because it is coming to a head with this avalanche of democrats.Anyway,I am long here but you are just becoming overbearing with John Birch this and Ron Paul that.Good luck but sorry I got to go elsewhere.I think I will find where Mark Steyn writes.I like him.

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1 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:40:17am

So long, nutter! Don’t let the door scrape your knuckles when it closes!

2 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:40:18am
3 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:41:00am

I (a white male) am a fan of this site (a good one) and am glad you (the stupid one) are gone.

4 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:41:15am
I will never hold hands with a grand dragon klan nut but I think American whites are putting that aside because it is coming to a head with this avalanche of democrats.

That sort of underscores the point that Charles was making by posting that Newseek article, huh?

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:41:25am

re: #2 taxfreekiller

Reach out for ways to combat the loon liberals who are screwing up our county.

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com…]

“Liberty and Tyranny”

Yeah, just what we need. Another ranting, screaming talk radio host.

6 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:41:41am

There is a disturbance in the field…no wait…false alarm…everything is okay.

7 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:25am

What’s his addy? So we can all write him back and plead for his return.

8 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:47am
Our post titled “Rebranding Hate in the Age of Obama” triggered several hate mails, including this charmer titled “You lost me,” from a self-identified “white male” in New York who seems to think I’ll be crushed when he doesn’t visit LGF any more.

Sure it wasn’t a typo. Maybe he meant to say white whale…….
Then he’d be a Moby for sure.
/

9 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:42:50am

I have never personally heard Mark Levin rant and scream.
Just sayin’.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:13am
I think I will find where Mark Steyn writes.I like him.

Mark Steyn must be thrilled.

11 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:20am

I don’t like the Klan at all. What they stand for and what they do, and worst of all, they give dragons a bad name!

12 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:42am

Wasn’t there already a thread about this email? Wait, I’m getting comnfused…

13 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #9 J.D.

I have never personally heard Mark Levin rant and scream.
Just sayin’.

Then you must be confusing him with somebody else. That’s what he does.

14 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:46am

re: #8 LGoPs

Sure it wasn’t a typo. Maybe he meant to say white whale…….
Then he’d be a Moby for sure.
/

That’s a possibility.

15 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:23am

re: #11 MrSilverDragon

I don’t like the Klan at all. What they stand for and what they do, and worst of all, they give dragons a bad name!

And they’ve absolutely ruined the reputation of those poor little Kleagles.

16 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:25am

Is he purposely leaving out spaces after the punctuation - just to be an asshole?

17 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:44:52am

re: #12 zombie

Wasn’t there already a thread about this email? Wait, I’m getting comnfused…

Lunaticese starts to sound the same after a while.

18 Cheesehead  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #5 Charles

Speaking of ranting & screaming, have you ever heard of our local (Milwaukee) ranter who also fills in for Rush Limbaugh from time to time, Mark Belling?

19 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:04am

How ‘bout we all agree on one thing. We are all flesh colored. And that’s the only color that counts.

20 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:32am

re: #13 HelloDare

Then you must be confusing him with somebody else. That’s what he does.

No, I’ve listened to him a few times and I’ve never heard him do that.
I know who he is.

21 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:44am

re: #16 Noam Sayin’

Is he purposely leaving out spaces after the punctuation - just to be an asshole?

I find that more annoying than the content. It’s even worse when they fail to capitalize.

22 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:45:56am

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

Mark Steyn must be thrilled.

Somehow, I doubt Mark Steyn has much tolerance for the Bircher / Ron Paul crowd either.

Do ya think that eventually this nimrod will get it that supporting those on the fringe will result in one being consigned to the fringe?

23 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #16 Noam Sayin’

Ishepurposelyleavingoutspacesafterthepunctuation-justtobeanasshole?

FIFY

Wait, that’s way worse.

24 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #9 J.D.

I have never personally heard Mark Levin rant and scream.
Just sayin’.

Here ya go:

25 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #12 zombie

Wasn’t there already a thread about this email? Wait, I’m getting comnfused…

Charles posted the email within the original thread on this topic.

26 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #5 Charles

Yeah, just what we need. Another ranting, screaming talk radio host.

Is Mark going off the deep end now?

27 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:28am

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

I find that more annoying than the content. It’s even worse when they fail to capitalize.

Every @$$hole thinks he’s E.E. Cummings.

28 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #25 capitalist piglet

Charles posted the email within the original thread on this topic.

Ahhh, that must be it. Thx.

29 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:37am

One of my Mom’s favorite sayings: Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

30 Slymon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:43am

That counts as a ‘hate’ mail?

31 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:44am

re: #12 zombie

Wasn’t there already a thread about this email? Wait, I’m getting comnfused…

No, Charles posted the email in the thread along with a couple of other hate mail examples he received.

32 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:46:56am

Was that Pamela’s brother?

33 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:07am

re: #9 J.D.

I have never personally heard Mark Levin rant and scream.
Just sayin’.

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

34 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:13am

re: #8 LGoPs

Sure it wasn’t a typo. Maybe he meant to say white whale…….
Then he’d be a Moby for sure.
/

He’s a dick in any case.

35 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:22am

re: #20 J.D.

No, I’ve listened to him a few times and I’ve never heard him do that.
I know who he is.

I’ve heard him shout quite a bit, but I just finished his book, and it is quite good. Of course, I haven’t heard the audio version…he might be yelling. ; )

36 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #29 VioletTiger

One of my Mom’s favorite sayings: Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

Remind me never to piss her off.

37 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:32am

re: #26 Ward Cleaver

I looked into him briefly. I’ve never paid much attention to him him but I don’t think he has anything that interests me.

38 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:47:46am

re: #27 Noam Sayin’

Every @$$hole thinks he’s E.E. Cummings.

ireallyhatethat
/

39 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #35 capitalist piglet

I’ve heard him shout quite a bit, but I just finished his book, and it is quite good. Of course, I haven’t heard the audio version…he might be yelling. ; )

GMTA. I was going to say the same thing. Obviously intelligent guy, he writes very well. I think his radio personality is all publicity but I could be wrong

40 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:48:21am

re: #30 Slymon

Here we go again.

Slymon
Registered since: Oct 12, 2008 at 8:12 pm
No. of comments posted: 6
No. of links posted: 0

41 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:48:23am

re: #33 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

He goes up and down. Jimmuh definitely sets him off.

42 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #35 capitalist piglet

I’ve heard him shout quite a bit, but I just finished his book, and it is quite good. Of course, I haven’t heard the audio version…he might be yelling. ; )

Is the book in all caps?
/ :)

43 wonk-a-donk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:49:01am

while Obama slept

The U.S. Economy was down 6.1 percent in the first quarter of this year while:

700 billion has been infuesed in TARP money
400 billion FY 2009 (8000 earmarks)
700 billion in a stimulas/pork filled bill
3.2 Trillion FY 2010 Pending in the House
650 Billion in new government proposed health care take-over, (down payment only)
Energy and Education policies still on the table (estimated cost–800 billion to 1.5 trillion)

5.65 Trillion before education and energy policies are added. (did we miss a few hundred billion somewhere)

All this while the media hypes about the Mexican swine flu and torture memos, and the Specter defector?

44 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:49:07am

So the jist is… the new PC Klansman are kinda like the underground neo-Nazi movement in Europe? The kinder gentler KKK? And people are buying this?

“The Man is keeping me down!” -Signed, The Man-

Do I have that right?

45 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:49:08am

re: #11 MrSilverDragon

I don’t like the Klan at all. What they stand for and what they do, and worst of all, they give dragons a bad name!

Now I have the image of a Komodo dragon (the world’s largest living lizard) in a sheet.

46 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:49:29am

re: #27 Noam Sayin’

Every @$$hole thinks he’s E.E. Cummings.

Every

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thinks

he’s


e

e

cummings

FIFY

47 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:49:37am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I looked into him briefly. I’ve never paid much attention to him him but I don’t think he has anything that interests me.

He’s definitely got the whole righteous indignation thing down.

48 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #24 Last Mohican

I have never seen him do that, but there it is!
And I have to say I agree with most of what I have heard from him. Or read.
*shrug*

49 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:50:49am

I have taken to listening to Brahms, Beethoven and Rammstein over the talking heads on the radio.

More relaxing.

Less stress.

Less over the top “OMG what kind of ‘effing loon would say that kind of stuff and still be expected to be taken seriously?” nuttiness.

Stress and craziness, I get my fill of that at work.

50 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:51:14am
51 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:51:43am

re: #33 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

Manic tone of voice… manic!

52 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:51:47am

re: #16 Noam Sayin’

Is he purposely leaving out spaces after the punctuation - just to be an asshole?

All that spittle has caused some of the keys to malfunction.

53 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #33 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

No shit. I was saying the same thing just a few days ago on LGF. I was surprised how many people here supported him.

I don’t care how smart a person is, that kind of public reactionary pandering to an audience for the sake of ratings and listenership is not good for the conservative cause.

It comes across as the same ranting and raving the hosts on Air America were doing (and still do).

Is that what conservative want to sound like?

54 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:52:42am

BOB & RAY. “Komodo Dragon Expert”

[Link: www.clipser.com…]

55 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:53:28am

re: #33 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

I’ve read him at National Review and I have seen him on television and he wasn’t that way. Radio is a different venue, I guess?

Maybe he doesn’t really annoy me, though, because I’ve usually agreed with what I have heard from him.

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:53:38am

Punctual and punctuation have nothing in common, as this asshole’s typing skills indicate.

Who wants to bet that he IS a logical thinker?
I’ve got my wallet out — eager to solve all my financial difficulties.

57 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:53:50am

re: #16 Noam Sayin’

Is he purposely leaving out spaces after the punctuation - just to be an asshole?

When you are dialed in from mom’s basement on the 1200 bps modem, you need to conserve where you can.

58 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #24 Last Mohican

Interesting. I could handle the yelling for the sake of the bit but he didn’t have any content. The really didn’t make a point of have anything to say. Just a string of buzzwords and cliches.

59 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:54:04am
60 Golem Akbar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:54:23am

I’ve been on vacation for a couple of weeks and I guess I missed a lot. All I want to say about this is that it’s not always easy for some people to hold on to sanity. I really don’t get this mishigas [Yiddish for lunacy] regarding White People.

/Some of my best friends are white people?

61 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:55:08am

Dear Charles,

I am a white male who has tired of being associated with every slack jawed inbred racist in the country. Its not like we’re all stupid knuckle dragging neanderthols its just that we can’t keep the stupidest knuckledraggingest neandertholist of us from blogging. Please continue to keep me registered because as painful as it is to read the comments of the pure troll race it is more painful to hear smarmy CNN reporters portray every white American male as a lurking homicidal white supremicist. Oh and BTW God bless Darwin.

Thank you

/

62 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:55:17am

Sorry to go OT, but this just makes my day. With all the negativity going on in the world, it’s nice to read about one of the good guys:

Cruise Ship Hero Fought Off Pirates With Deck Chair

And he was celebrating his 62nd birthday!

63 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:55:36am
White people(I’m one of them and also a big Zionist)… I am tired of being considered the enemy(white male)in this country and I think it is causing some strange bedfellows to come together,

Hey, um, anonymous white male person? Are you still there? A word to the wise: you may not want to mention the “big Zionist” part to your new white bedfellows.

64 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:55:40am

re: #5 Charles

Yeah, just what we need. Another ranting, screaming talk radio host.

re: #33 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

I think what’s happening is that since there are practically no Republican politicians worth getting excited over anymore, people in desperation are turning to talk show shock jocks as substitutes. That’s why we’re seeing so much attention on people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, etc. People crave some kind of “leader.”

Problem is, these people are entertainers, not leaders. Conservative Americans have started to get very mixed up in the head, imagining that these performers are actually the characters they portray.

Of course, there are no Democratic politicians worth a rat’s ass either, and lib celebs are if anything even more airheaded that right-wing shock-jocks. But hey, they’ve got their man in the White House now, so there’s not nearly the level of frustration.

65 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:55:55am

re: #45 Kosh’s Shadow

Now I have the image of a Komodo dragon (the world’s largest living lizard) in a sheet.

I’d imagine it would have a larger brain than the average klansman.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #33 Charles

You’ve got to be kidding. Every time I turn on his radio show he’s screaming at the top of his voice.

I am beginning to think I am glad I have stopped listening to talk radio and TV, the number of screaming lunatics seem to be increasing at an exponential rate.

67 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:56:18am

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans

Did you ever get Afrocity’s note? She was looking to speak with you on the last thread.

68 bianchi_roadie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:56:31am

re: #44 American Sabra

This has actually been going on for a while. White power/Neo-Nazi groups have tried on several occasions to “re-brand” themselves as everything from “southern heritage” to “pro-white culture”, or some twisted version of a Christian culture group. All are just PR spin.

Given the current economic conditions, these groups are trying this tactic again to recruit new members.

69 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:56:32am

re: #35 capitalist piglet

I’ve heard him shout quite a bit, but I just finished his book, and it is quite good. Of course, I haven’t heard the audio version…he might be yelling. ; )


There are times when I want to yell, too.
I wouldn’t totally rule it out if I had a radio show… like he does.

70 MJ  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:56:52am

He’s a big Zionist but he likes Ron Paul and The John Birch Society?
How about Pat Buchanan ?

71 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans

Somebody was lookin for you a couple of threads back. It might be in your interest to search your nic here.

TRUST
ME,
R

72 Thom  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:57:23am

It’s curious that it is the Republican party that flushed Trent Lott for a stupid comment at a birthday party, and it is the democrat party that embarces and lionizes the KKK member Robert Byrd - who still uses words like “n*****,” in public discourse no less.

73 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #68 bianchi_roadie

There’s a really funny Mr. Show sketch about the “new Klan,” whose spokesman is a black guy.

74 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:58:02am

re: #39 simonml

GMTA. I was going to say the same thing. Obviously intelligent guy, he writes very well. I think his radio personality is all publicity but I could be wrong

No, I think you are right.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #67 kansas

Did you ever get Afrocity’s note? She was looking to speak with you on the last thread.

No, I never got anything. I’d been rather preoccupied until this morning.

Last thread as in the one just prior to this? I’ll have to go check it out.

76 subsailor68  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:58:59am

re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hi Furry! What some of the posters are referring to is a post by Afrocity asking if anyone had heard from you recently. She was worried about you, saying she hadn’t heard from you since early April.

(Really nice lady.)

77 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:59:05am

re: #71 Render

Somebody was lookin for you a couple of threads back. It might be in your interest to search your nic here.

TRUST
ME,
R

Furryoldguyjeans-

That was AfroCity - worried about your health since she hadn’t heard from you. You may want to drop a line.

78 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:03am

re: #72 Thom

…Robert Byrd - who still uses words like “n*****,” in public discourse no less.

Seriously? You got a link or something for that?

79 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:08am

Local radio guy was all over Sam Brownback voting to confirm Sebelius at HHS. It’s all about abortion. Brownback is as anti-abortion as Sebelius is pro-abortion, but the guy wanted to throw Brownback overboard because of this. Republican theme song.

80 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:29am

“Anyway,I am long here but you are just becoming overbearing with John Birch this and Ron Paul that.Good luck but sorry I got to go elsewhere.I think I will find where Mark Steyn writes.I like him.”

Wow - I feel your pain Charles.

81 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:31am

re: #72 Thom

What’s curious about it? Our first presidential candidate (JC Fremont,) ran on a “Free State Kansas” platform.

82 Golem Akbar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #62 subsailor68

Sorry to go OT, but this just makes my day. With all the negativity going on in the world, it’s nice to read about one of the good guys:

Cruise Ship Hero Fought Off Pirates With Deck Chair

And he was celebrating his 62nd birthday!


My newest hero!

83 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:43am

re: #62 subsailor68

Sorry to go OT, but this just makes my day. With all the negativity going on in the world, it’s nice to read about one of the good guys:

Cruise Ship Hero Fought Off Pirates With Deck Chair

And he was celebrating his 62nd birthday!

I love it!

84 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:50am

I followed a link from marklevinshow.com to this article:

Two Republicans blame conservatives
[Link: www.politico.com…]

Two leading Republicans say Sen. Arlen Specter’s decision to become a Democrat highlights the hostility moderates feel from an increasingly conservative GOP.

Specter switched parties Tuesday after a recent poll showed him badly losing a Pennsylvania Republican primary next year to Club for Growth founder Pat Toomey. Toomey’s staunchly fiscally conservative political action committee backs only those Republicans who support a low-tax, limited-government agenda and comes down hard on those who break with party orthodoxy.

“I don’t want to be a member of the Club for Growth,” said Graham. “I want to be a member of a vibrant national Republican party that can attract people from all corners of the country — and we can govern the country from a center-right perspective.”

I’m not familiar with The Politico so I don’t know their slant, but I am looking for comments on the article.

The question on several counts. For one thing, is a “low-tax limited-government agenda” really Republican party “orthodoxy”?

Conspicuous by its absence is any mention of “family values” or “traditional morality” conservatives.

Are the fiscal conservatives really running the social conservatives out of the party?

Is the Club for Growth to blame for Specter leaving the GOP, or is Specter leaving the GOP because polls show he would lose a primary election to a Club for Growth candidate?

85 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:00:56am

re: #54 HelloDare

BOB & RAY. “Komodo Dragon Expert”

[Link: www.clipser.com…]

That’s exactly why I added “(the world’s largest living lizard)”. Good for catching it.

86 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:01:52am

re: #79 kansas

Local radio guy was all over Sam Brownback voting to confirm Sebelius at HHS. It’s all about abortion. Brownback is as anti-abortion as Sebelius is pro-abortion, but the guy wanted to throw Brownback overboard because of this. Republican theme song.

Brownback wants her confirmed so he can be the PaleoGuv of Kansas.

87 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:01:53am

re: #72 Thom

It’s curious that it is the Republican party that flushed Trent Lott for a stupid comment at a birthday party, and it is the democrat party that embarces and lionizes the KKK member Robert Byrd - who still uses words like “n*****,” in public discourse no less.

The Republicans are always flushing. They turned on Nixon. If Nixon had been a Democrat, Watergate would not have amounted to a hill of shit.

88 carefulnow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:03:38am

re: #30 Slymon

I could swear that this thread is called “We got mail!” You know, like AOL used to bleat “You got mail” and like that movie with Meg Ryan. You good now?

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:04:04am

re: #72 Thom

It’s curious that it is the Republican party that flushed Trent Lott for a stupid comment at a birthday party, and it is the democrat party that embarces and lionizes the KKK member Robert Byrd - who still uses words like “n*****,” in public discourse no less.

It just points out the moral relativism and opportunism that is inherent in the liberal mindset, do and say whatever forwards the agenda.

90 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:04:35am

re: #84 Liberal Classic

Left to me, I will always favor low-tax, small government, strong on defense over someone proclaiming “family values.”

Mostly because I keep thinking about P.J. O’Rourke’s joke about certain family’s values, like beating the step-kids and secret daytime drinking.

91 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:04:39am

re: #86 Thanos

Brownback wants her confirmed so he can be the PaleoGuv of Kansas.

She would have been confirmed without his vote. I kind of hope the guy who took over for Sebelius runs. He is a good guy who was a Republican and just switched, so he is not a screaming lib. Over creationism and abortion, there have been a lot of Republicans jump ship, which is why I have been advocating doing that for myself. I like Blue Dogs.

92 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:04:55am

re: #85 Kosh’s Shadow

That’s exactly why I added “(the world’s largest living lizard)”. Good for catching it.

I forgot to quote your post. Glad you caught it. That’s actually a short and mediocre version of the routine, as you probably know.

93 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:05:11am

re: #55 J.D.

I’ve read him at National Review and I have seen him on television and he wasn’t that way. Radio is a different venue, I guess?

Maybe he doesn’t really annoy me, though, because I’ve usually agreed with what I have heard from him.

You’re probably onto something there. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him yell on television either. His radio show is peppered with cutting off callers, followed by “Get outta here, ya big dope!”

They usually are “big dopes”, but I’d really like to hear Levin engage them instead of hanging up on them. He could put them away easily, but I guess he thinks it’s more interesting to go all click/buzz on them.

94 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:06:12am

re: #78 Last Mohican

Seriously? You got a link or something for that?

Senator Robert Byrd on TV

95 Syrah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:06:23am

re: #84 Liberal Classic

Specter changed party label because he is a politician before he is a partisan. The Democrats will find him as unreliable as had the Republicans.

96 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:06:31am

re: #90 Dianna

Left to me, I will always favor low-tax, small government, strong on defense over someone proclaiming “family values.”

Mostly because I keep thinking about P.J. O’Rourke’s joke about certain family’s values, like beating the step-kids and secret daytime drinking.

Is being a Republican Party Reptile anything like being a Lizard? :)

97 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:06:44am

re: #64 zombie

I think what’s happening is that since there are practically no Republican politicians worth getting excited over anymore, people in desperation are turning to talk show shock jocks as substitutes. That’s why we’re seeing so much attention on people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, etc. People crave some kind of “leader.”

Problem is, these people are entertainers, not leaders. Conservative Americans have started to get very mixed up in the head, imagining that these performers are actually the characters they portray.

Of course, there are no Democratic politicians worth a rat’s ass either, and lib celebs are if anything even more airheaded that right-wing shock-jocks. But hey, they’ve got their man in the White House now, so there’s not nearly the level of frustration.

“I’m not a Republican leader, but I play one on the radio.”

98 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:04am

re: #96 Liberal Classic

Is being a Republican Party Reptile anything like being a Lizard? :)

It sounds like a good party, anyway. I like P.J.

99 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:17am

NJDhockeyfan - Condolences on the implosion last night. I would have bet what’s left of my 401K that Brodeur wouldn’t let in 2 goals in the last 1.5 minutes of a game 7. That sucked.

Go Wings!

100 elBarto  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:24am

Did anyone notice the add on the main page for muslim.com?

101 Thom  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:37am

81 Thanos

It’s curious because people are hyperventilating about racist redneck right-wing Republicans when the only political party with an actual, known racist in national office is the democrats.

78 Last Mohican

E.g.

102 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:47am

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

“I’m not a Republican leader, but I play one on the radio.”

Heh. I’m not a Republican leader but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

103 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:48am

re: #100 elBarto

Did anyone notice the add on the main page for muslim.com?

Yes, it gets commented on all the time.

104 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:07:52am

re: #90 Dianna

Left to me, I will always favor low-tax, small government, strong on defense over someone proclaiming “family values.”

Mostly because I keep thinking about P.J. O’Rourke’s joke about certain family’s values, like beating the step-kids and secret daytime drinking.

I always thought this movie title said it all:
Addams Family Values

105 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:08:05am

re: #27 Noam Sayin’

Every @$$hole thinks he’s E.E. Cummings.

e e cummings thought he was archy the cockroach

106 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:08:18am

re: #104 Kosh’s Shadow

Right!

107 Flavia  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:08:27am

re: #41 Ward Cleaver

He goes up and down. Jimmuh definitely sets him off.

Well, then he can’t be ALL bad….

108 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:08:42am

re: #68 bianchi_roadie

I haven’t quite seen it here until recently. Not until the election of our President anyway. In Europe, yes, because they can’t speak openly so they go underground and kiss up to the Jews to show how much they love us, how changed they are. Well, since the Jews aren’t their threat now, they think we can unite in our “hatred of Muslims” and lots of Jews seem ok with that. Fools they are.

109 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:08:51am

In case you doubted we were living in completely crazy topsy-turvy times:

Under Obamanomics, the suggested interest rate on your bank account is… -5%

(That’s minus five percent.)

And no, I’m not joking:

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five perfect interest rate:

The ideal interest rate for the US economy in current conditions would be minus 5 per cent, according to internal analysis prepared for the Federal Reserve’s last policy meeting.

The analysis was based on a so-called Taylor-rule approach that estimates an appropriate interest rate based on unemployment and inflation.

A central bank cannot cut interest rates below zero. However, the staff research suggests the Fed should maintain unconventional policies that provide stimulus roughly equivalent to an interest rate of minus 5 per cent.

So, you put your $100 in the bank, and wait for that nest egg to grow! After 1 year you’ll have $95, after two years $90…by the time your kid grows up, you’ll have five bucks for the college fund. Woo-hoo!

110 elBarto  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:09:23am

I find that humorous

I think I might be on a govt watch list. Someone thought it would make me laugh to have a ron paul bumper sticker. They were wrong.

111 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #88 carefulnow

I could swear that this thread is called “We got mail!” You know, like AOL used to bleat “You got mail” and like that movie with Meg Ryan. You good now?

I thought all those Meg Ryan movies were called “You Got Male!”

112 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #84 Liberal Classic

I followed a link from marklevinshow.com to this article:

Two Republicans blame conservatives
[Link: www.politico.com…]


I’m not familiar with The Politico so I don’t know their slant, but I am looking for comments on the article.

The question on several counts. For one thing, is a “low-tax limited-government agenda” really Republican party “orthodoxy”?

Conspicuous by its absence is any mention of “family values” or “traditional morality” conservatives.

Are the fiscal conservatives really running the social conservatives out of the party?

Is the Club for Growth to blame for Specter leaving the GOP, or is Specter leaving the GOP because polls show he would lose a primary election to a Club for Growth candidate?

I was under the impression it was social conservatives running the fiscal conservatives out. I wouldn’t put Specter in either group. Snowe, I just don’t like her. But to pretend that the Republican party is the only one with single issue extremes is lunacy.

113 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:09:54am

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five perfect interest rate

=

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five percent interest rate

PIMF

114 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:10:12am

re: #99 CommonCents

NJDhockeyfan - Condolences on the implosion last night. I would have bet what’s left of my 401K that Brodeur wouldn’t let in 2 goals in the last 1.5 minutes of a game 7. That sucked.

Go Wings!

Thanks.

All my favorite teams lose in the first round of the post season all the time…NJD, Cubs, & Cowboys.

115 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:10:12am

re: #79 kansas

Local radio guy was all over Sam Brownback voting to confirm Sebelius at HHS. It’s all about abortion. Brownback is as anti-abortion as Sebelius is pro-abortion, but the guy wanted to throw Brownback overboard because of this. Republican theme song.

[Video]

Even Fr. Frank Pavone, head of Priests For Life, said he could, in a way, understand Brownback’s support, in that it was a just a courtesy extended to a fellow Kansan. Plus, if her nomination had failed, Obama would just nominate another pro-abortion candidate.

116 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:10:24am

I think this may bear repeating.

”[…] it is coming to a head with this avalanche of democrats […]”

Well that’s what you get when the very word Democrat has been turned into code for “commie socialist NAMBLA-enabling America-hating immigrant-loving Sharia-law-instituting infill-traitor”.

The Democrats, say what you will, are one of the two great parties in this country, and yet people (plenty of them here, too) have turned it into a synonym for everything they love to hate.

It’s a complete mirror image of what we had under Bush. And it’s every bit as disgusting as Code Pink, Raging Grannies, Michael Moore, Cynthia McKinney and anyone else in the moonbat orbit you care to name.

I for one am fed up to the teeth with it.

117 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:10:27am

re: #45 Kosh’s Shadow

Now I have the image of a Komodo dragon (the world’s largest living lizard) in a sheet.

The Komodo dragon skit - hilarious!

118 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:10:35am

re: #100 elBarto

Did anyone notice the add on the main page for muslim.com?

Jimmy Dean Country Sausage?

119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:11:02am

re: #84 Liberal Classic

The question on several counts. For one thing, is a “low-tax limited-government agenda” really Republican party “orthodoxy”?

Conspicuous by its absence is any mention of “family values” or “traditional morality” conservatives.

If you follow the changes of American politics you can see that Republicanism was nearly solely about limited Government from its inception, morality and family values were eschewed because any push in that area would have been considered governmental intrusion into private affairs of the individual.

Conservatism is not Republicanism nor vice versa. Conservatism is a personal philosophy, Republicanism is a political ideal.

120 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:11:08am

re: #109 zombie

So, you put your $100 in the bank, and wait for that nest egg to grow! After 1 year you’ll have $95, after two years $90…by the time your kid grows up, you’ll have five bucks for the college fund. Woo-hoo!

With sufficient subsidization, the banks could pay us to borrow money.

121 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:11:48am

re: #112 CommonCents

…But to pretend that the Republican party is the only one with single issue extremes is lunacy.

Now there’s an approach for 2010

“The GOP - keeping our lunatics on the fringe”

122 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:11:54am

re: #100 elBarto

Did anyone notice the add on the main page for muslim.com?

Don’t they track the lack of clicks?

123 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:12:16am

re: #64 zombie

I think what’s happening is that since there are practically no Republican politicians worth getting excited over anymore, people in desperation are turning to talk show shock jocks as substitutes. That’s why we’re seeing so much attention on people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, etc. People crave some kind of “leader.”

Problem is, these people are entertainers, not leaders. Conservative Americans have started to get very mixed up in the head, imagining that these performers are actually the characters they portray.

Of course, there are no Democratic politicians worth a rat’s ass either, and lib celebs are if anything even more airheaded that right-wing shock-jocks. But hey, they’ve got their man in the White House now, so there’s not nearly the level of frustration.

If you want some smart, grown-up radio, hit up Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager. In three years of listening whenever I can, I have never heard (Constitutional Law Professor and Reagan staffer) Hugh Hewitt raise his voice on the air, unless it was was at the so-called “Republican Strategist”, a radio troll claiming to be a combat veteran, or laughing so hard he bit his tongue when the noted “ethno-musicologist” objected to Hugh’s use of the term “gal”. I don’t always agree with Hugh, but I always learn something.
By the way, Hugh Hewitt’s *blog* post against the Z-visa “jamdown” amnesty bill was read on the Senate (House?) floor as part of the debate which killed that misbegotten plan.
I have heard Dennis Prager raise his voice on the air, but it was really funny, reacting to some earth-first! loon taking him to task for valuing human life over animal, and Gaia, etc… It was a rant so well-delivered and so slowly, inexorably built up, that I still have it on my iPod to this day. It was magnificent.
But none of the shoutfests you hear and see all over FoxNews, and none of the tirades you get from Radio nutjobs of the right and the left.
These guys are gentlemen, and you are treated as guests when you join the listening audience.

124 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:05am

re: #109 zombie

In case you doubted we were living in completely crazy topsy-turvy times:

Under Obamanomics, the suggested interest rate on your bank account is… -5%

(That’s minus five percent.)

And no, I’m not joking:

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five perfect interest rate:

So, you put your $100 in the bank, and wait for that nest egg to grow! After 1 year you’ll have $95, after two years $90…by the time your kid grows up, you’ll have five bucks for the college fund. Woo-hoo!

I’ll go for that if they pay me interest on my credit card debt instead of having me pay them.

125 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:12am

re: #93 capitalist piglet

You’re probably onto something there. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him yell on television either. His radio show is peppered with cutting off callers, followed by “Get outta here, ya big dope!”

They usually are “big dopes”, but I’d really like to hear Levin engage them instead of hanging up on them. He could put them away easily, but I guess he thinks it’s more interesting to go all click/buzz on them.


I have no idea, but would I ever get tired of listening to big dopes! And I don’t think I would necessarily feel compelled to give them air time, either.

126 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:14am

re: #113 zombie

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five perfect interest rate

=

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five percent interest rate

PIMF

For hard-core Socialists and Obama -5% is perfect to forward the governmental intrusion agenda, so you just slipped on Freud, zombie. ;)

127 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:15am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks.

All my favorite teams lose in the first round of the post season all the time…NJD, Cubs, & Cowboys.

At least you can’t say you jumped on the band wagon at the wrong time with the Cubs. There’s history backing that one up.

128 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:23am

re: #121 DaddyG

Now there’s an approach for 2010

“The GOP - keeping our lunatics on the fringe radio”

Better?

129 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:35am

re: #93 capitalist piglet

You’re probably onto something there. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him yell on television either. His radio show is peppered with cutting off callers, followed by “Get outta here, ya big dope!”

They usually are “big dopes”, but I’d really like to hear Levin engage them instead of hanging up on them. He could put them away easily, but I guess he thinks it’s more interesting to go all click/buzz on them.

I can understand peoples’ gravitating toward hosts like Levin. They feel helpless and hopeless against the Obama juggernaut, and just want to scream.

130 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:13:48am

re: #122 unrealizedviewpoint

Don’t they track the lack of clicks?

Too many lizards with a closet burkha fetish? /

131 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:14:27am

re: #130 DaddyG

Too many lizards with a closet burkha fetish? /

oooooh…. burka burka burka

dakka dakka dakka

132 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:14:29am

Another classic Bob & Ray bit.

133 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:14:47am

re: #109 zombie

They’ve been working on that all ready. Another name for negative interest rates is “inflation”. Once all this stimulus money floods the market, in about 12 months time the high inflation rates will kick in. So while Obama claims he’s not raising taxes on the lower & middle classes, their savings will start melting like an ice-flow in global warming. It’s a neat trick really. By creating inflation, Obama will be able to tax your savings on top of taxing your income & your spending.

Change! And lots of it!

134 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #130 DaddyG

Too many lizards with a closet burkha fetish? /

and a secret taste for goat milk. /

135 elBarto  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:15:17am

122 I thought that said lack of dicks, I guess that’s where my mind is.

136 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:15:47am

re: #133 Kenneth

They’ve been working on that all ready. Another name for negative interest rates is “inflation”. Once all this stimulus money floods the market, in about 12 months time the high inflation rates will kick in. So while Obama claims he’s not raising taxes on the lower & middle classes, their savings will start melting like an ice-flow in global warming. It’s a neat trick really. By creating inflation, Obama will be able to tax your savings on top of taxing your income & your spending.

Change! And lots of it!

Jimmuh Part Deux.

137 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:15:49am

re: #94 HDrepub

Senator Robert Byrd on TV

Good lord. What the HELL is going on here? I’ll transcribe Senator Byrd (D-WV) starting at 1:01, for the benefit of others who, like me, hadn’t heard this:

My old mom told me ‘Robert, you can’t go to heaven if you hate anybody.’ We practice that. There are white n*ggers. I’ve seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time, [if you] want to use that word. But, we’ve all… we’ve all… we just need to work together to make our country better.

Fox also presented an apology that was subsequently issued by Byrd’s office, which begins as follows:

I apologize for the characterization that I used on this program. The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today’s society.

138 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:08am

If you don’t like Mark Levin then don’t listen to him. Other that the timing of the show (6:00 to 8:00 here) I would listen to him regularly. He is very intelligent AND I agree with 99.99 % of what he says…..not that way with the crowd in here.

As for the conservative movement - we could use more of him - intelligent, forthright and not afraid to take on bullshit.

139 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #120 Liberal Classic

With sufficient subsidization, the banks could pay us to borrow money.

Hey, I love it! There’s an upside to everything.

Since money will become like molten metal burning a hole in your pocket, every institution will be trying to get rid of their cash at all costs! Banks will offer $1500 free bonuses if you would only do them the favor of taking out a no-application $50,000 loan. And then, the interest rate will be minus five percent, so every month they’ll give you $250 more!

I’m beginning to like this Obamanomics.

140 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:36am

re: #127 CommonCents

At least you can’t say you jumped on the band wagon at the wrong time with the Cubs. There’s history backing that one up.

Cubs fans have thick skin.

141 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:40am

re: #109 zombie

In case you doubted we were living in completely crazy topsy-turvy times:

Under Obamanomics, the suggested interest rate on your bank account is… -5%

(That’s minus five percent.)

And no, I’m not joking:

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five perfect interest rate:


So, you put your $100 in the bank, and wait for that nest egg to grow! After 1 year you’ll have $95, after two years $90…by the time your kid grows up, you’ll have five bucks for the college fund. Woo-hoo!

Change as we know it…..invest real money, get only change at the end.

142 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:42am

re: #134 unrealizedviewpoint

and a secret taste for goat milk. /

You are baaaaaaaad!

143 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:16:45am

re: #133 Kenneth

Maybe Congress needs to come out of the closet and just enact a regressive VAT on everything American. A better way to crash the economy I can’t conceive.

144 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:17:33am

re: #138 bolivar

As for the conservative movement - we could use more of him - intelligent, forthright and not afraid to take on bullshit.

Because Lord knows we can never have enough ranting, screaming maniacs.

145 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:17:41am

re: #112 CommonCents

I was under the impression it was social conservatives running the fiscal conservatives out. I wouldn’t put Specter in either group. Snowe, I just don’t like her. But to pretend that the Republican party is the only one with single issue extremes is lunacy.

I’ve always thought that a limited-government position was something that could unify social conservatives and fiscal conservatives.

146 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:06am

re: #137 Last Mohican

You never heard that before? Byrd was a Grand Dipshit in the KKK, but gets a pass because he is a Democrat.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:22am

re: #137 Last Mohican

See if you can find a link to the protests by Jackson & Sharpton about this.

148 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #109 zombie

I’ll be the first in line to refinance my business at -5%.

Might make up for the increase in [already enormous] taxes I’ll soon be paying.

149 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:39am

re: #54 HelloDare

BOB & RAY. “Komodo Dragon Expert”

[Link: www.clipser.com…]

They’re of the lizard family?

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:44am

re: #144 Charles

Because Lord knows we can never have enough ranting, screaming maniacs.

That screaming lunatic gap with the Dems is putting the Republicans at a severe disadvantage.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////

151 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:46am

Ok, so I have a question. Sorry if this isn’t the place to post this.

So where do you see the GOP going? I’ve never been a registered Republican, tho I’ve voted Republican in the past.

You are funded by the Religious Right, the Moral Majority. For good or bad, they have been the backbone, both financially and “spiritually” of the conservative movement for, say the last 30 years or so? I don’t really understand this re-identification the Right is going through. Unless it’s just simply sour grapes over the election and it will die down. I think there’s definitely some of that. But it seems to be something more which the blog bru-ha-ha indicates.

At any rate, I simply can’t see the GOP pulling away from its far Right roots. How could it possibly exist without the Religious Right? Unless it becomes something else entirely. Maybe the question is what you all asked upthread. Who leads the Right? Buchanan? Gingrich? Rove? Steele? Boehner? Rush and Beck may have influence, but I don’t see them as party leaders. I could be dead wrong, of course.

The Left doesn’t have this issue that I have seen. I think because the far Left does not control the party. Neither do they fund the party. Liberal party leaders are Hillary and Bill mostly, I would say. I don’t know who else, outside of Obama. Not Pelosi. She’s not terribly popular on either side.

152 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:55am

re: #144 Charles

I must have missed the memo: when did ranting become a sign of high intelligence?

153 maximus kreyzlkil  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:18:58am

re: #2 taxfreekiller

Reach out for ways to combat the loon liberals who are screwing up our county.

[Link:

154 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:11am

re: #144 Charles

Because Lord knows we can never have enough ranting, screaming maniacs.

Well, we have always been far behind the Democrats in that demographic. It’s about time we made up the maniac gap.
/

155 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:13am

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?


A
B
C
D
F

156 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:15am

re: #145 Liberal Classic

I’ve always thought that a limited-government position was something that could unify social conservatives and fiscal conservatives.

Sadly it appears as though many “conservatives” are just another flavor of big government control over our lives. I want an alternative to the erstwhile power brokers on both sides of the political spectrum that doesn’t involve me submitting my individual rights to big brother.

157 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:37am

re: #61 DaddyG

Dear Charles,

I am a white male who has tired of being associated with every slack jawed inbred racist in the country. Its not like we’re all stupid knuckle dragging neanderthols its just that we can’t keep the stupidest knuckledraggingest neandertholist of us from blogging. Please continue to keep me registered because as painful as it is to read the comments of the pure troll race it is more painful to hear smarmy CNN reporters portray every white American male as a lurking homicidal white supremicist. Oh and BTW God bless Darwin.

Thank you

/

Nice example of your white middleclassiness!

158 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:44am

re: #146 kansas

Byrd was a Grand Dipshit in the KKK, but gets a pass because he is a Democrat.

That I did know. But I thought he had been successfully presenting himself as “reformed.”:

I made a mistake when I was a young man — it’s always been an albatross around my neck — in joining the Ku Klux Klan,” Byrd said. “We all make mistakes. We can strive to overcome them….

159 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:57am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?

A
B
C
D
F


They left off O for Orgasm.

160 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:20:59am

re: #145 Liberal Classic

I’ve always thought that a limited-government position was something that could unify social conservatives and fiscal conservatives.

I think it has, until recently.

161 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:19am

I always knew those people at the UN were on drugs:

Report: Unlicensed U.N. Doctors Administer and Take Controlled Narcotics

So Elvis is living at the UN?

162 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #144 Charles

Because Lord knows we can never have enough ranting, screaming maniacs.

Would you rather people spoke like Mr. Rogers - now kiddies here is how we make a…….you get the picture - Levin is animated on the radio and is playing to an audience. The o does as much and gets through to many obots.

163 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:30am

re: #112 CommonCents

Regarding Specter’s political stances is this Investor’s Business Daily political cartoon by Michael Ramirez.

164 rwmofo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:31am

WOW. Look at who turned 51 today. It’s OK Michelle baby. You’re welcome to drop by any time.

165 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:32am

re: #145 Liberal Classic

I’ve always thought that a limited-government position was something that could unify social conservatives and fiscal conservatives.

Not for the militant faction of social conservatives who want to gov’t to legislate personal morality or promote Creationism.

166 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:21:58am

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

Cubs fans have thick skin.

As do us Lions fans. We’ve lost 17 straight and when your defense gives up 250 more points than the offense has scored, you draft a QB. It genious I tell you! /

167 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:22:11am

GoP becoming a regional party? Seattletimes quotes fears of Republican Leaders.

Where is the super glue?

168 jvic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:22:24am

re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am beginning to think I am glad I have stopped listening to talk radio and TV, the number of screaming lunatics seem to be increasing at an exponential rate.

If the number of swing voters that right-wing media alienates is bigger than the number of voters it attracts, letting the Fairness Doctrine stay dead is the correct machiavellian move for the Democrats. I wouldn’t be surprised if they crunched the numbers.

169 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #152 Kenneth

I must have missed the memo: when did ranting become a sign of high intelligence?

The Dems keep claiming it, the FMSM keeps saying it, so why shouldn’t people start believing it?

170 traderjoe9  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:05am

Can you believe it?! The high school I live right next to got shut down…

[Link: www.mercurynews.com…]

171 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:10am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?

A
B
C
D
F

The Fs are 2,000 votes ahead of the As.

172 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:23am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?


A
B
C
D
F

Wow, the F’s have it. Heads must be ‘esplodin’.

173 rwmofo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:34am

This one is not bad for 39.

174 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:38am

re: #112 CommonCents

I was under the impression it was social conservatives running the fiscal conservatives out. I wouldn’t put Specter in either group. Snowe, I just don’t like her. But to pretend that the Republican party is the only one with single issue extremes is lunacy.

Here’s some info on the Republican “Club For Growth” PAC that been very successful in purging the moderates out.
Club For Groth.

175 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:23:48am

re: #169 FurryOldGuyJeans

Afrocity was looking for you - did you contact her?

176 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:04am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?

A
B
C
D
F

The country remains totally polarized. The vast majoriuty of votes are for either “A” or “F”. In about equal proportions. Very little in the middle. Just like the election.

Of course, I gave him an “F”, mainly for his appointment of Eric Holder, his weak stance against evil regimes, his coterie of anti-Israel appointees, and his socializing the economy. But hey, other than that and most other things, he’s doing pretty good!

177 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:10am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?

A
B
C
D
F

They left off: A++ He’s a dreamy rock star.

178 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #145 Liberal Classic

I’ve always thought that a limited-government position was something that could unify social conservatives and fiscal conservatives.

You’d think so.

My Male and I were joking about that the other day, while walking the dogs. He suggested I run against Barbara Boxer (ha!).

The Dianna campaign speech:

“If you think government should hold guide you from your cradle to your grave - and decide when you should get into the latter - I’m not your candidate. If you think government should tax you as little as possible, interfere in your personal decision-making as little as possible, and limit itself to the common defense and promoting the general welfare, I am your candidate.

“You decide.”

179 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:23am

re: #157 debutaunt

Nice example of your white middleclassiness!

I am the very model… You should see me in a swim suit! Like a can of instant buscuit dough thats popped open.

180 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:38am

He softly purrs in his email that he’s no racist, yet I infer screaming racism in every sentence. I hate it when people try to make the unthinkable seem reasonable.

181 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:42am

re: #171 Ward Cleaver

The Fs are 2,000 votes ahead of the As.


F’n A’s /

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:24:43am

re: #165 Kenneth

Not for the militant faction of social conservatives who want to gov’t to legislate personal morality or promote Creationism.

Gotta love the cognitive dissonance of wanting limited government that legislates morality and private affairs of people and mandating indoctrination of everyone in one narrowly defined religious doctrine.

183 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:24am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?

A
B
C
D
F

Quite a polar pole. Both A and F have more than B,C, and D combined. F is winning by a few percent.

184 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #176 zombie

The country remains totally polarized. The vast majoriuty of votes are for either “A” or “F”. In about equal proportions. Very little in the middle. Just like the election.

Of course, I gave him an “F”, mainly for his appointment of Eric Holder, his weak stance against evil regimes, his coterie of anti-Israel appointees, and his socializing the economy. But hey, other than that and most other things, he’s doing pretty good for an arrogant prick!

FTFY.

185 maximus kreyzlkil  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:33am

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

I have to agree with the ‘killer.
This country is becoming polarized beyond peaceful repair. We now have two clearly identifiable “sides” evolving who viscerally hate each other and attribute evil to it. Most of you reading this will have to choose sides. This is what you are witnessing right now. Some will have to make agonizing decisions such as whether to stay where you are or move your family in a newly divided nation. I always thought people who warned of secessions and civil war were nuts, just as most believed in 1859. And everyone during these inevitable “transition periods” is always shocked and horrified at how suddenly and rapidly it all falls apart.

186 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #162 bolivar

Would you rather people spoke like Mr. Rogers - now kiddies here is how we make a…….you get the picture - Levin is animated on the radio and is playing to an audience. The o does as much and gets through to many obots.

Well, no. But it does seem the GOP has gone from being the party of William F. Buckley and Alex P. Keaton to Glen Beck and Larry the Cable Guy.

187 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:26:19am

re: #158 Last Mohican

KKK reformed? Never heard of that denomination.

188 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:26:35am
now I will never hold hands with a grand dragon klan nut but I think American whites are putting that aside

“Speak for yourself”, says this here “American white”. (Makes me feel a little like a breed of cat… NTTAWWT.)

189 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:26:51am

re: #164 rwmofo

Meow!

190 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:26:53am

re: #186 Liberal Classic

Well, no. But it does seem the GOP has gone from being the party of William F. Buckley and Alex P. Keaton to Glen Beck and Larry the Cable Guy.

You forgot Barry Goldwater! BOO! ;)

191 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:03am

Obamamania or overkill? Presidents marks his first 100 days in office with THREE hundred photos… all of him


He is the most photographed man on the planet.

And, just in case we had forgotten that, the White House has issued a new series of photographs to commemorate Barack Obama’s 100 days in office today.

One hundred photographs for 100 days would have been enough for anyone - but, just to drive the point home, the White House has decided to include three times that number in the set.

192 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:11am

re: #151 American Sabra
The most religious person I personally know is Catholic and bought enough of The Audacity of Hope for her entire class to have their own copy. Almost everyone in my neighborhood is Republican, and they are by no means extremely religious. I think most of the dollars raised by Republicans are from businesses, too.

193 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #170 traderjoe9

Can you believe it?! The high school I live right next to got shut down…

[Link: www.mercurynews.com…]

Here in Texas, no public school athletic events until May 11th:

UIL competition on hold because of swine flu

194 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:33am

re: #2 taxfreekiller

Reach out for ways to combat the loon liberals who are screwing up our county.

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com…]

“Liberty and Tyranny”

I always read this as The Markle Vin Show.

195 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:43am

re: #178 Dianna

You’d think so.

My Male and I were joking about that the other day, while walking the dogs. He suggested I run against Barbara Boxer (ha!).

The Dianna campaign speech:

“If you think government should hold guide you from your cradle to your grave - and decide when you should get into the latter - I’m not your candidate. If you think government should tax you as little as possible, interfere in your personal decision-making as little as possible, and limit itself to the common defense and promoting the general welfare, I am your candidate.

“You decide.”

You’ve got my vote.

196 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:46am

re: #151 American Sabra

Hmm. Sounds like a reasonable post, if all of your informaton comes from lefty sources. I would argue that the left is far more “edge-funded” than the right.
Anyway. Nobody is talking about removing the religious right from the right. Some of us are dissatisfied with the religion-in-government stance which seem to be gaining acceptance. I like the idea of the Establishment clause as a mutual defense pact.

197 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:57am

By the way, a question I meant to ask earlier, and no this has NOTHING TO DO with the thread topic: Anyone heard from Peacekeeper? He hasn’t posted since mid-March.

198 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #109 zombie

In case you doubted we were living in completely crazy topsy-turvy times:

Under Obamanomics, the suggested interest rate on your bank account is… -5%

(That’s minus five percent.)

And no, I’m not joking:

Financial Times: Fed Advisory Board suggests minus five perfect interest rate:


So, you put your $100 in the bank, and wait for that nest egg to grow! After 1 year you’ll have $95, after two years $90…by the time your kid grows up, you’ll have five bucks for the college fund. Woo-hoo!

With any luck, the additional bank fees will have it down to -0- before you know it.

199 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:28:18am

re: #178 Dianna

You’d think so.

My Male and I were joking about that the other day, while walking the dogs. He suggested I run against Barbara Boxer (ha!).

The Dianna campaign speech:

“If you think government should hold guide you from your cradle to your grave - and decide when you should get into the latter - I’m not your candidate. If you think government should tax you as little as possible, interfere in your personal decision-making as little as possible, and limit itself to the common defense and promoting the general welfare, I am your candidate.

“You decide.”

I’d vote for that.

200 Dianna  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:28:21am

re: #170 traderjoe9

Can you believe it?! The high school I live right next to got shut down…

[Link: www.mercurynews.com…]

Sensible. In all likelihood, it’s not necessary; but if it is, it would really be a nasty situation if the district ignored it.

201 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:28:31am

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

Obamamania or overkill? Presidents marks his first 100 days in office with THREE hundred photos… all of him

Don’t those doctors at the UN have a medication they can give him?

202 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:28:45am

re: #185 maximus kreyzlkil

So you just feed into the hatred and push for a conflagration to be ignited that threatens to extinguish all.

No, I will not be a party to such paranoia and demagoguery.

203 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:28:54am

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

Obamamania or overkill? Presidents marks his first 100 days in office with THREE hundred photos… all of him

You know what I think? I think that he personally sat down and pored over each and every picture of him and then he decided on which ones to release.

The man has some serious mental issues that he needs to address.

204 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:29:55am

re: #195 scottishbuzzsaw

You’ve got my vote.

Mine too. Hey Scottishbuzzsaw! Nice to see you. Haven’t seen you ‘round these parts in a while. (then again, I’ve been posting less lately)

205 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:30:15am

re: #185 maximus kreyzlkil

Overdramatize much?

206 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:30:45am

re: #176 zombie

The country remains totally polarized. The vast majoriuty of votes are for either “A” or “F”. In about equal proportions. Very little in the middle. Just like the election.

Of course, I gave him an “F”, mainly for his appointment of Eric Holder, his weak stance against evil regimes, his coterie of anti-Israel appointees, and his socializing the economy. But hey, other than that and most other things, he’s doing pretty good!

You can see that in the Gallup 100 day poll, he’s popular with everyone but Republicans and conservatives. There is a great break down of polling by age, education and the rest.

Gallup poll

207 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:30:58am
208 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:17am

re: #206 avanti

You can see that in the Gallup 100 day poll, he’s popular with everyone but Republicans and conservatives. There is a great break down of polling by age, education and the rest.

Gallup poll

Gallup is a lefty outfit that skews their polls to benefit fellow lefties.

209 maximus kreyzlkil  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:21am

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

There’s nothing any of us individually can do now to stop this but pray for peace and prepare for war. Any more than DHS cheif napalitano can contain the flu outbreak. I hate what is happening, but you’d better prepare.

210 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:21am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?


A
B
C
D
F

There are not enough letters in the alphabet to give him the grade I think he deserves. I’ll just have to stick with ‘Z’.

211 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:26am

re: #95 Syrah

Specter changed party label because he is a politician before he is a partisan. The Democrats will find him as unreliable as had the Republicans.

I’m hoping he will annoy them enough that they run a Soros-approved Dem against him in the Dem primary.

212 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:32:28am

re: #203 JohnnyReb

You know what I think? I think that he personally sat down and pored over each and every picture of him and then he decided on which ones to release.

The man has some serious mental issues that he needs to address.

Add onto that a little fact that the Feds knew that O’s little NYC flyover photo-op could cause a panic but mandated that it was kept secret from the public just so it could be another example of reflecting the Holy Messiah King’s magnificence being made manifest.

213 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:33:07am

Written by Kim Plofker (Google it).

I Am the Very Model of a Modern Libertarian
by Kim Plofker

[With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan, and
also to one Lollius. Note: In order to avoid the
infringement of individual rights by imposing
totalitarian ideals of harmony, the soloist and
choristers may sing each in his or her own tempo,
tune, and key.]

I am the very model of a modern Libertarian:
I teem with glowing notions for proposals millenarian,
I’ve nothing but contempt for ideologies collectivist
(My own ideas of social good tend more toward the Objectivist).
You see, I’ve just discovered, by my intellectual bravery,
That civic obligations are all tantamount to slavery;
And thus that ancient pastime, viz., complaining of taxation,
Assumes the glorious aspect of a war for liberation!

[Chorus:]
You really must admit it’s a delightful revelation:
To bitch about your taxes is to fight for liberation!

I bolster up my claims with lucubrations rather risible
About the Founding Fathers and the market’s hand invisible;
In fact, my slight acquaintance with the fountainhead Pierian
Makes me the very model of a modern Libertarian!

[Chorus:]
His very slight acquaintance with the fountainhead Pierian
Makes him the very model of a modern Libertarian!

All “public wealth” is robbery, we never will accede to it;
You have no rights in anything if you can’t show your deed to it.
(But don’t fear repossession by our Amerind minority:
Those treaties aren’t valid—-Uncle Sam had no authority!)
We realize whales and wolves and moose find wilderness quite vital,
And we’ll give back their habitats—-if they can prove their title.
But people like unspoiled lands (we too will say “hooray” for them),
So we have faith that someone else will freely choose to pay for them.

[Chorus:]
Yes, when the parks are auctioned it will be a lucky day for them—-
We’re confident that someone else will freely choose to pay for them!

We’ll guard the health of nature by self-interest most astute:
Since pollution is destructive, no one ever will pollute.
Thus factories will safeguard our communities riparian—-
I am the very model of a modern Libertarian!

[Chorus:]
Yes, factories will safeguard our communities riparian,
He is the very model of a modern Libertarian!

In short, when I can tell why individual consumers
Know best who should approve their drugs and who should treat their tumors;
Why civilized existence in its intricate confusion
Will be simple and straightforward, absent government intrusion;
Why markets cannot err within the system I’ve described,
Why poor folk won’t be bullied and why rich folk won’t be bribed,
And why all vast inequities of power and position
Will vanish when I wave my wand and utter “COMPETITION!”—-

[Chorus:]
He’s so much more exciting than a common politician,
Inequities will vanish when he hollers “Competition!”

—-And why my lofty rhetoric and arguments meticulous
Inspire shouts of laughter and the hearty cry, “Ridiculous!”,
And why my social theories all seem so pre-Sumerian—-
I’ll be the very model of a modern Libertarian!

[Chorus:]
His novel social theories all seem so pre-Sumerian—-
He is the very model of a modern Libertarian!

214 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:33:13am

re: #26 Ward Cleaver

Is Mark going off the deep end now?

I think the media heads realize that someone doing the ranting and raving for an audience makes a lot of money. The troofer populations. These viewers must buy a lot of insurance. The MSM heads are pushing for ratings and revenue.

I was watching TV in the afternoon last week and there were at least three shows about testing to found out who the baby daddy was. The first one was interesting but then it just got depressing. That along with the Jay Walking videos makes one realize that there is a huge population out there in America that I just don’t come across often.

215 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #109 zombie


Fed should maintain unconventional policies that provide stimulus roughly equivalent to an interest rate of minus 5 per cent.

Super high inflation combined with a ginormous tax increase will accomplish roughly the same effect.

216 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:00am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

MSNBC poll:

The President has completed 100 days in office. Based on his performance so far, what grade would you give him?


A
B
C
D
F

Present

217 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:07am

re: #101 Thom

Ron Paul just to name one Republican?

218 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #206 avanti

Interesting you keep pimping polls to justify your worship of the man.

219 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #186 Liberal Classic

Well, no. But it does seem the GOP has gone from being the party of William F. Buckley and Alex P. Keaton to Glen Beck and Larry the Cable Guy.

Sorry a Buckley doesn’t come along more often. I am open to alternatives as I have asked for more than once but, all Charles and the gang seem to do is bitch about the rabble rousers. This movement needs to have its rabble roused - and then a bomb shoved up its ass because it is blocked and needs a healthy cleanout. There are a lot of people that think they are chiefs but, nobody has the moxie or noodle to walk the walk.

220 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:36am

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

But he’s not a Narcissus. No sir./

221 rwmofo  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:51am

Who wants to bet that the NY Times and Obama have jointly agreed to mount a helmet cam on all CIA agents and track each one with a personal drone - just so we can monitor our own people in real-time. The videos will live-stream to Times Square.

222 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:34:52am

re: #204 FrogMarch

Mine too. Hey Scottishbuzzsaw! Nice to see you. Haven’t seen you ‘round these parts in a while. (then again, I’ve been posting less lately)

Good to see you, too, FrogMarch. Had to give my BP a break for a few. How’s everything going with you?

223 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:04am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

By the way, a question I meant to ask earlier, and no this has NOTHING TO DO with the thread topic: Anyone heard from Peacekeeper? He hasn’t posted since mid-March.

With a name like that, and the recent invasion of all these shouting right wing radio personalities, I would think we might be pretty busy.

/Seriously, I hope he is well.

224 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:16am

re: #105 Alouette

e e cummings thought he was archy the cockroach

archy wouldn’t use all those parentheses, though. he couldn’t manage the shift key.

225 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:31am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

By the way, a question I meant to ask earlier, and no this has NOTHING TO DO with the thread topic: Anyone heard from Peacekeeper? He hasn’t posted since mid-March.

I think he’s hangin’ at another site.

226 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:34am

re: #213 haakondahl

Written by Kim Plofker

Hopefully she never became a nun. Because then she’d be “Mother…” you get the idea.

227 vxbush  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:35:38am

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

Obamamania or overkill? Presidents marks his first 100 days in office with THREE hundred photos… all of him

I have this great desire to start calling him Professor Gilderoy Lockhart.

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:36:40am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

So you just want to sit back and watch it all go to hell.

I would prefer to struggle even knowing failure is inevitable.

229 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

There’s nothing any of us individually can do now to stop this but pray for peace and prepare for war. Any more than DHS cheif napalitano can contain the flu outbreak. I hate what is happening, but you’d better prepare.

Personally I believe there is a higher chance of the Swine Flu causing a zombie apocalypse than of a new US civil war.

230 Lightspeed  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:36:47am

re: #144 Charles

Because Lord knows we can never have enough ranting, screaming maniacs.

Personally, I love Levin. He makes me laugh out loud sometimes. And he makes me think.

Yes, he rants. Yes, he screams. But he is no maniac. He is thoughtful, logical, incisive and very persuasive. He elucidates conservatism in a way few others can. He is an acquired taste, though, I will give you that. Criticise his style all you want, but dismissing him as a “maniac” is unjust. He may come across to some as Gilbert Godfried, but the rants he spouts are all rooted in common-sense conservatism. Levin is a cut above most talking heads and deserves more respect.

231 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:36:49am

re: #225 redstateredneck

I think he’s hangin’ at another site.

That’s too bad, if true.

Where have you gone, Peacekeepmaggio?
Our lizard nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo

232 Spider Mensch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

There’s nothing any of us individually can do now to stop this but pray for peace and prepare for war. Any more than DHS cheif napalitano can contain the flu outbreak. I hate what is happening, but you’d better prepare.

do you have a long white beard and sit outside the county courthouse in a John the baptist diaper with a sign saying “Repent The End is Near” ?
Do I know you?

233 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:11am

re: #208 Ward Cleaver

Pick a right leaning poll then, the percentage will be 2-3 points lower but the trends are the same. The higher his popularity with the left and middle, the lower with the right. The polarization shows up in every poll.

234 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #185 maximus kreyzlkil

…Most of you reading this will have to choose sides…

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah

235 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:30am

re: #229 Baier

You know that Zombie thing could really happen.

236 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:34am

re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans

Interesting you keep pimping polls to justify your worship of the man.

It’s time he crawled back under his rock Hawk.

237 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:37:55am

re: #205 Bloodnok

Overdramatize much?

People actually love threats of doom.

Not having the inner resources to keep themselves from drooling catatonic boredom for more than five minutes at a time without reeyalitee teevee, scandal sheets or an ambulance stopping at the neighbor’s house, they embrace anything that gives them that apocalyptic frisson. It’s been going on since time began.

Witness: “Pandemic” swine flu with less than 200 cases worldwide.

Many people can’t wait for some truly bad stuff to happen to liven up their sad little bookless lives.

238 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:36am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

There’s nothing any of us individually can do now to stop this but pray for peace and prepare for war. Any more than DHS cheif napalitano can contain the flu outbreak. I hate what is happening, but you’d better prepare.

You’d better prepare for the damned stick.

239 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:41am

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

Obamamania or overkill? Presidents marks his first 100 days in office with THREE hundred photos… all of him

God help us if he ever gets colon polyps like Reagan did. /

240 Baier  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #235 JohnnyReb

You know that Zombie thing could really happen.

Interesting fact about a zombie apocalypse:
Ambulance drivers are the first to go.

241 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

There’s nothing any of us individually can do now to stop this but pray for peace and prepare for war. Any more than DHS cheif napalitano can contain the flu outbreak. I hate what is happening, but you’d better prepare.

For crying out loud, pull your head out and get a grip

242 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:39:11am

re: #101 Thom

81 Thanos

It’s curious because people are hyperventilating about racist redneck right-wing Republicans when the only political party with an actual, known racist in national office is the democrats.

78 Last Mohican

E.g.

Who’s everyone? Can you be more specific as to who is “Hyperventilating?”

243 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:39:25am

re: #239 DaddyG

God help us if he ever gets colon polyps like Reagan did. /

That is a really scary visual…..

244 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #233 avanti

Considering the man has the largest propaganda apparatus in history ever glorifying the man I am surprised the man’s popularity is as low as it is. It should be MUCH higher given the 24/7 worship of the FMSM.

245 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:40:12am

re: #231 Occasional Reader

That’s too bad, if true.

Where have you gone, Peacekeepmaggio?
Our lizard nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo

Funniest thing about this thread so far.

246 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:40:54am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

That’s enough. I’m not going to allow LGF to be used to promote this kind of crap.

247 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:41:02am

re: #208 Ward Cleaver

Gallup is a lefty outfit that skews their polls to benefit fellow lefties.

Exactly….what was the sampling breakdown between Dem, Repub, and Independent?

248 Randall Gross  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:41:20am

Looks like some are trying to deflect flames with Byrd in this thread. I don’t buy the “because they are bad we can ignore our badness” argument from anyone the Party of Lincoln.

249 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #239 DaddyG

God help us if he ever gets colon polyps like Reagan did. /

One of the two funniest things about this thread, so far.

250 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:42:31am

Swine Flu pandemic to be declared by WHO in 20 minutes according to local ch 4 ABC

251 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:42:40am

re: #237 Cato the Elder

“Pandemic” swine flu with less fewer than 200 cases worldwide.

[Firing first shot in the Great Grammar Civil War of 2009]

252 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:42:41am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

There’s nothing any of us individually can do now to stop this but pray for peace and prepare for war. Any more than DHS cheif napalitano can contain the flu outbreak. I hate what is happening, but you’d better prepare.

What a crazy fuck!

Thanks for keeping that up, Charles. Bookmark it for ready linking, whenever faced with the next wave of t “what right wing extremists?” stupor….

253 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #238 haakondahl

You’d better prepare for the damned stick.

Liberally applied none too soon, I must say. ;)

254 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:43:24am

re: #223 CyanSnowHawk

With a name like that, and the recent invasion of all these shouting right wing radio personalities, I would think we he might be pretty busy.

/Seriously, I hope he is well.

Whoops, PIMF.

255 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:06am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

He’s not your sock? Scratching another off the list…

No, and that does seem a bit odd.

SAINT
BERNARD,
R

256 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #239 DaddyG

God help us if he ever gets colon polyps like Reagan did. /

Or close-ups like Couric did. Ewwww!

257 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:19am

re: #192 J.D.

The most religious person I personally know is Catholic and bought enough of The Audacity of Hope for her entire class to have their own copy. Almost everyone in my neighborhood is Republican, and they are by no means extremely religious. I think most of the dollars raised by Republicans are from businesses, too.

It’s been a while since I looked, but last I heard most Republican funding came from small individual donations of under $250. The Dems collect most of their funding from large corporate contributions. At least, that was true during the last midterms and the election cycle preceding them. Not sure about the last election, but I doubt much has changed.

258 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:35am

re: #250 hazzyday

Swine Flu pandemic to be declared by WHO in 20 minutes according to local ch 4 ABC

Another [manufactured] crisis I am sure O and his cronies will not pass up taking advantage of.

259 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:45:23am

re: #258 FurryOldGuyJeans

Another [manufactured] crisis I am sure O and his cronies will not pass up taking advantage of.


Quick, we’d better pass a health bill.
/

260 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:45:36am

re: #257 SixDegrees

The Dems collect most of their funding from large corporate contributions.

Nonsense, the Democrats are the party of hardworking, blue-collar, salt-of-the-earth people. Like George Soros, and Alec Baldwin, and Barbra Streisand.

261 J.D.  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:45:53am

re: #257 SixDegrees

It’s been a while since I looked, but last I heard most Republican funding came from small individual donations of under $250. The Dems collect most of their funding from large corporate contributions. At least, that was true during the last midterms and the election cycle preceding them. Not sure about the last election, but I doubt much has changed.

That sounds about right.

Maybe the Democrats are most easily swayed by large corporate contributions?

262 Thom  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:19am

227 vxbush

Now *that* was funny!

263 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:30am

re: #259 redstateredneck

Quick, we’d better pass a health bill.
/

I would personally take off the sarc tag. It is all too likely to be reality, seriously.

264 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:36am

re: #248 Thanos

Looks like some are trying to deflect flames with Byrd in this thread. I don’t buy the “because they are bad we can ignore our badness” argument from anyone the Party of Lincoln.

UPDING!

265 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans

Interesting you keep pimping polls to justify your worship of the man.

If his polling goes in the toilet, that will show he’s perceived as screwing up, or the GOP is coming back. Everybody uses polling, it’s just unreliable when your guy is down and that’s normal for both sides. The trend up or down, only shows the public’s “perception” of the job performance, not necessarily how he’s doing.

266 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:12am

re: #239 DaddyG

God help us if he ever gets colon polyps like Reagan did. /

He’ll appoint one to his cabinet?

267 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:19am

re: #249 J.D. Thank you. I appreciate your bad taste in my humor!

268 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #209 maximus kreyzlkil

You know, I listened to this type of crap back in the late 70’s and Early 80’s. Except then it was the impending “race wars” be promoted by the Aryan Nation nut jobs in Northern Idaho.

It didn’t happen then and what you are prophesying isn’t going to happen either.

/ Read your copy of the Turner Diaries lately?

269 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:36am

re: #263 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would personally take off the sarc tag. It is all too likely to be reality, seriously.

I just didn’t want anybody to think I was advocating the passage of such a bill.

270 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:12am

re: #246 Charles

That’s enough. I’m not going to allow LGF to be used to promote this kind of crap.

Nice touch on the editor’s note Charles.

271 bolivar  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #266 Kenneth

He’ll appoint one to his cabinet?

It would be smarter at least…

272 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:20am

Hell, I like Mark Steyn, but this site is great too.

273 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

You know, the beautiful irony of MSNBC asking the poll in the manner, is that most schools have departed from the A through F grading system.

My kids are subject to 4 designations.

1,2,3, or 4.

Either not meeting expectations, meeting expectations, exceeding expectations, or not applicable.

Funny.

274 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #265 avanti

I despise polls no matter what they say. They are crap, period.

But keep on shoving shit as furiously as you want, the stink keeps a good nose lock on where you stand.

275 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:02am

re: #269 redstateredneck

I just didn’t want anybody to think I was advocating the passage of such a bill.

I am diametrically opposed to such a happening, but knowing the proclivities of the administration to use peripheral issues to wedge the Socialist agenda past the American people I would not be surprised to see it occurring.

276 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:03am

re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans

Liberally applied none too soon, I must say. ;)

Good to see you again!

I feel like we’re in some awful Bruce what’s-is-name movie battling Zombies. They always attack in the same way, and once you figure out who they are, one hit with the boomstick is good enough to know they’re gone—until they re-spawn.

Meanwhile we all shuffle through the woods, or the mall, or the town or whatever, wise-cracking and bickering. And you know. Slaying the mindless automatons who are for some reason drawn to attack, using the exact same tactic used by the previous dead thousand or so corpse remnants in our path.

And of course—we do have our own Zombie—a really kick-ass one for the dirty work down in the sewers where none of the rest of us will go or can survive (Berkeley).

277 Thom  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:46am
278 Danny  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:11am

re: #88 carefulnow

I could swear that this thread is called “We got mail!” You know, like AOL used to bleat “You got mail” and like that movie with Meg Ryan. You good now?

Well, to be accurate, Charles’s post does say how another thread “triggered several hate mails, including this charmer…” The email strikes me as more I-don’t-like-you-anymore mail than hate mail, but I can certainly understand how it could be viewed as such, especially given the topic of the post that prompted it and the close-to-home resonance that the Newsweek article has with Charles due to the death threats he received from people associated with that Don Black scumbag in the article.

279 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #196 haakondahl

Religion-in-government “seeming” to gain acceptance? So you’re saynig the GOP is not influenced by the Religious Right? I’m certainly not saying that all Republicans are religious. Of course, that’s not so, but I think many Republicans themselves would argue this point with you.

I don’t understand what you mean by “edge-funded”?

I think there’s definitely a re-identification going on with the Right and I think that’s a good thing as they seem to be struggling to redefine themselves. I think much of that is the secular breaking away from the religious. Well that’s my impression, but maybe you all see it very differently.

I’m a centrist. One of those wishy-washy fence sitters. I’m probably closer to the Left, but not comfy enough with either party to really identify with either.

280 yesandno  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:55:11am

re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans

Add onto that a little fact that the Feds knew that O’s little NYC flyover photo-op could cause a panic but mandated that it was kept secret from the public just so it could be another example of reflecting the Holy Messiah King’s magnificence being made manifest.

This is a perfect example of the fact that New Yorkers are in a post 9/11 world while the beltway types have reverted to 9/10. They never understood that it would cause a problem….now they think if we believe they CONSIDERED it but went ahead anyway, they will be forgiven for being wrong rather then being stupid.

Believe me, they were stupid. And have no recognition that the world has changed…because they have not.

And I wouldn’t be surprised that the photo op was to be used for a backdrop of the first 100 days and his speech tonight. Nothing is beyond their use of manipulation of reality to keep up the hype.

281 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:08am

re: #192 J.D.

Big business. Yes, I didn’t consider that.

282 avanti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:09am

re: #237 Cato the Elder

People actually love threats of doom.
Witness: “Pandemic” swine flu with less than 200 cases worldwide.

Many people can’t wait for some truly bad stuff to happen to liven up their sad little bookless lives.

It’s called pessimism porn.
link…

283 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #272 lostlakehiker

Hell, I like Mark Steyn, but this site is great too.

LOL!

284 JustABill  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:37am

re: #93 capitalist piglet

You’re probably onto something there. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him yell on television either. His radio show is peppered with cutting off callers, followed by “Get outta hereOff the Phone, ya big dope!”

They usually are “big dopes”, but I’d really like to hear Levin engage them instead of hanging up on them. He could put them away easily, but I guess he thinks it’s more interesting to go all click/buzz on them.

ftfy

285 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #158 Last Mohican

That I did know. But I thought he had been successfully presenting himself as “reformed.”:

There is something that many miss or forget when it comes to the Klan—a lot of politicians or Byrd’s era needed the Klan in order to win. As odious as that sounds, the Klan was a power broker in the southern states (and in the mid-west, too, through the 20’s and 30’s) You simply did not get elected if you were not approved of by the local leadership. George Wallace of Alabama is another example.

How much of the “kool-aid” did Byrd drink— I do no know. Was he a true believer—perhaps to an extent; I am going only on what I recall from being around older family members in the 60’s and 70’s and listening to their conversations. But, it’s obvious that when the Klan’s political power waned, most of the politicians jumped ship and distanced themselves as quickly as they could. Again, Byrd is no different—and he would be in the same class of politicians excoriated by Charles for courting Creationists simply for political expediency. In short, you do not know what he really stands for. Any politician who does this is not to be trusted. Period.

Now, about the Klan/Birchers/Nazis/white supremacists et al., there is something that has to be kept in mind. First, my caveat is that I do not condone/support/ratify their ideology—and in no way am I an apologist for them. But, the common theme among all these groups is fear—fear of losing a way of life. This is a fear present in the rank and file and exploited by the leaders who want to advance by tapping into that fear. It is the mob mentality and in order to exploit that fear effectively, a focal point is needed and hate of a different ethnic group is perhaps the most primal fear trigger in the human psyche.

Is the fear justified? It depends. Post-civil war, the Klan arose as a guerrilla force to fight the Federal occupation. (we’d call them insurgents today) and they attacked along the path of least resistance—the African-American community. It was the same mentality used by the Klan in the early 20th century as a reaction to Bolshevism nationwide and in particular any Federal intervention/social programs in the south—i.e.; anti-lynching legislation. In the 1960’s, the same message was repackaged as a reaction to the Civil Rights movements. Namely, “we don’t want the central government telling us what to do.” Frankly, Federal intervention is needed if you refuse to abide by common decency and treat all in your community with equal respect and dignity.

The re is a great paradox here. Fear of a tyrannical central government is justified. Jefferson saw the danger and so did Madison—who was responsible for creating the Constitution. Both sought to fight that danger with the creation of the Republican (which became the modern Democrat) Party. The paradox is that many who supported the creation of this party used it to perpetuate slavery—i.e.; to keep the central government from interfering in their lives.

This paradox still persists. The hate groups take the underlying and justified message of the tyranny of the central government and taint it with their rhetoric. How we distance ourselves from the hate groups and maintain the validity of the message is beyond me.

286 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:05am

re: #270 CyanSnowHawk

Nice touch on the editor’s note Charles.

I don’t know about that..
What if Charles starts doing Editor notes on all our posts?
HH: I really like the Louisville Cardinals to win the NCAA Championship this year. {Editors note: The Hoopster only came to that conclusion after a Cardinal landed in his yard while making his picks}
HH: Cough…ahhh.I really like the Lakers to win it all this year { editors note: The Hoopster has always hated the Lakers and would beg Madoff to bet 50 billion on the Lakers in the playoffs}
HH: Cough..crap…ok I’m thinking here..Dang it Charles! LOL

287 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:31am

re: #213 haakondahl


I think someone might have been influenced by Buzz.

288 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #277 Thom

237 Cato the Elder

A pandemic can start when three conditions have been met: a new influenza virus subtype emerges; it infects humans, causing serious illness; and it spreads easily and sustainably among humans.

A pandemic is not necessarily characterized by a high mortality rate, or even a high rate of infection.

Well somebody redefined it, and I think it’s a stupid and needlessly scary definition. “Worrisome outbreak” would be more like it at this stage.

289 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:00:42pm

re: #279 American Sabra

I’m a centrist. One of those wishy-washy fence sitters. I’m probably closer to the Left, but not comfy enough with either party to really identify with either.


I’ll bet that you are actually a center-right conservative.

Please name three important things that you have.
And three important things that you want.
One more three part question after you answer those, and that’s it. I promise. Deal?

290 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #275 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am diametrically opposed to such a happening, but knowing the proclivities of the administration to use peripheral issues to wedge the Socialist agenda past the American people I would not be surprised to see it occurring.

You left a comma out of your thesaurus there…

291 irish rose  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:59pm

There ARE no extremists on the right! This is just another lame attempt by some closet-lefty atheist to smear Conservatives!
God is love!

/do I?

292 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:36pm

re: #285 calcajun

The thing is, Byrd was not just a rank-and-file member of the Klan, just minimally involved enough so that he would be acceptable. He had a leadership position.

293 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:09pm

re: #291 irish rose

There ARE no extremists on the right! This is just another lame attempt by some closet-lefty atheist to smear Conservatives!
God is love!

/do I?

I hope today finds you well and in good health Irish..

294 irish rose  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

I hope today finds you well and in good health Irish..

Thanks, HH.

295 guftafs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:11pm
I think I will find where Mark Steyn writes.I like him.

Steyn is either very mixed or very good (better than any of the other apologists and outright sympathizers) at hiding his true motives. He is right about many things, in particular about the raving Left. He is also wrong about many things, and he tends to base his arguments on dubious demographical projections that really are of no use (or interest) to anyone.

296 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

That’s too bad, if true.

Where have you gone, Peacekeepmaggio?
Our lizard nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo

His account bears a note stating that this user has *not* been blocked. (Charles must have gotten lots of queries!)

297 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:14:36pm

re: #290 haakondahl

You left a comma out of your thesaurus there…

I don’t need to consult a thesaurus for my speechifying. ;)

298 guftafs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:20:11pm

re: #295 guftafs

… [Steyn] tends to base his arguments on dubious demographical projections that really are of no use (or interest) to anyone.

… which is of course why someone who feels this is important will be attracted to those portions of Steyn’s writings.

299 Zimriel  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:29:06pm

I see that one of our dingerberries is at work on the early posts in this thread…

300 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:29:13pm

re: #289 haakondahl

hehe ok.

1. Israel/Zionism
2. Women’s Rights Issues (pro-choice, equality in the workplace, yada yada)
3. I guess I’d have to say immigration. I’m kind of a McCain person on this one. I believe in a path to citizenship, allowing illegals to stay, pay a fine, learn English and become legal. Although there may be other things to take the 3 spot, I’d have to think more.

So how do I rate?

301 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:36:43pm

re: #299 Zimriel

Who the hell is this clown?

Feelitmon@adelphia.net

It’s going thru the posts downdinging everybody.

302 sarah  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:40:39pm

re: #123 haakondahl

All those in favor of me being the next leader just send some cash this way….oh wait. I’m only 27, have to wait a few years to be president material ;)

303 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:44:55pm

That hate sounds like it was written by rocky suhayda.plus he doesn’t know how to use the spacebar after a sentence.it’s weird.

304 flyovercountry  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:58:17pm

I may not agree with things I read on blogs 100% of the time, but what a sad world when people choose to completely ignore cogent conversation with people holding alternate points of view. As long as the argument is made rationally and respectfully, why not pay attention. the author of this e-mail has just made himself mentally inbred, on purpose.

305 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:01:26pm

re: #123 haakondahl

Btw, LOVE Prager. I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t know he had a talk show. I haven’t checked up with him in ages. Mucho thanks.

306 avspatti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:02:01pm

re: #30 Slymon

That counts as a ‘hate’ mail?

I don’t think it is “hate” mail per se. He is definitely stating his opinion and reasons for them, but it doesn’t sound hateful. Just negative. Those are not the same thing imo. Hate is a very strong word; let’s use it where it truly belongs.

307 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:03:00pm

re: #306 avspatti

I don’t think it is “hate” mail per se. He is definitely stating his opinion and reasons for them, but it doesn’t sound hateful. Just negative. Those are not the same thing imo. Hate is a very strong word; let’s use it where it truly belongs.

The email reeks of bigotry. Sorry you can’t see it.

308 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:04:43pm

re: #300 American Sabra

hehe ok.

1. Israel/Zionism
2. Women’s Rights Issues (pro-choice, equality in the workplace, yada yada)
3. I guess I’d have to say immigration. I’m kind of a McCain person on this one. I believe in a path to citizenship, allowing illegals to stay, pay a fine, learn English and become legal. Although there may be other things to take the 3 spot, I’d have to think more.

So how do I rate?

Hmmm, not sure. I take it that those were three important things you want? If so, what about three important things that you have?

Then the last question. Sorry for the delay—went to watch the DHS news blurb.

309 medaura18586  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:10:22pm

re: #295 guftafs

Steyn is either very mixed or very good (better than any of the other apologists and outright sympathizers) at hiding his true motives. He is right about many things, in particular about the raving Left. He is also wrong about many things, and he tends to base his arguments on dubious demographical projections that really are of no use (or interest) to anyone.

re: #298 guftafs

… which is of course why someone who feels this is important will be attracted to those portions of Steyn’s writings.

I guess no one here dares to touch that with a ten-foot pole… Steyn writes for Commentary, so I’ll refrain from making my opinion known at this point.

310 calcajun  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:16:58pm

re: #292 lurking faith

I know. Again, whether he did it because he believed it or because it was merely expedient is known only to Mr. Byrd. The fact is that in either event, he is not worthy of trust. He is a vestige of (thankfully)by-gone era.

311 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:26:29pm
312 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:26:38pm

re: #308 haakondahl

Oh ok. I was thinking the things I support politically in priority order. Things I have? You mean the most important things to me right now? Family, health and job are the three things. (This is like an internet quiz :p Do I win a prize?)

313 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:30:38pm

re: #309 medaura18586

I guess no one here dares to touch that with a ten-foot pole… Steyn writes for Commentary, so I’ll refrain from making my opinion known at this point.


Let me just rush in here.

I don’t see where Guftafs gets off citing Steyn’s “dubious demographical projections that really are of no use (or interest) to anyone”.
First off, demographics is one of the easier problems in prediction. If youo take all of the kids who are five years old within a given population, then I *guarantee* that ten years later you will have a maximum of that same number of fifteen year-olds, and an overwhelming likelihood of having a few percent fewer than the first number. And so on. There’s not much dubious about it, unless you want to argue the 1.2 tipping point. On that I don’t know, but I haven’t done my homework on it, and it sounds like he has. I’m willing to take that one at face value.
And “no interest to anyone?” Uh, let me know when you make a point, Guftafs. I’ll be happy to respond.
I hadn’t even read Steyn’s book when I started telling my friends that if they ever wanted to see France, they had better go soon. France will likely soon (relatively soon) be a very different place than we have understood it to be.
He does get a bit Johnny one-note, and I think that he gets burned precisely because he’s playing with fire. Frankly, I think he may have been a bit radicalized by his “trial” (with no real law behind it but very real punishments) in Canada under the Human Rights Board or whatever sham gaggle that was. Nobody expects the Canadian Inquisition! But it’s there.
So I like Mark Steyn. Sometimes I wince when he pops off, but that’s pretty rare, and his talent is phenomenal. He is usually right-on with his analysis, and when he’s not, Hugh or somebody will call him on it. I’ve read his book, I read his columns when I get a chance, and I eagerly await Thursdays, when he visits on Hugh Hewitt.

314 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #312 American Sabra

Oh ok. I was thinking the things I support politically in priority order. Things I have? You mean the most important things to me right now? Family, health and job are the three things. (This is like an internet quiz :p Do I win a prize?)

Technically, I suppose that it is an internet quiz. Read all about the prize at the bottom of this comment.

Okay:
Family
Health
Job

Israel
Equal Rights
(something about the border, sorry not sure how to summarize)

Last question…Answer in your head over the next several years.

For each of these things:
A) What role does the government play in securing these things for you?
B) What role *should* the government play in securing these things for you? Assume that the government is also obliged (except where ridiculous) to provide the opposite to, or to refrain from acting on behalf of, fellow citizens who disagree with you.
C) Can you find that thing (or a precursor) in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution as Amended? Sorry, Supreme Court decisions with no clear precedent in the Constitution are not allowed—no aurae, emanations, or umbrae will be accepted. (But this would not mean that the *conclusion* is invalid—it means that the argument was flawed). The Supreme Court is not allowed to make things up—we have Congress for that.

Sorry, no prize, unless you have found the conversation rewarding. I am writing from Afghanistan, and let me tell you—these things are very important to me. I change my answers from time to time, and I figure that I will all of my life. I guess I’m going to bed.

Thank you for your time. See you around.

315 American Sabra  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #314 haakondahl

Well I was going to complain that I was getting tired and trying to wrap up my day, but I’ll shut up about that!

The prize is definitely stimulating conversation. I need to chew on what you said, but I promise to respond on what surely will be a dead thread when I get back here.

Sleep well :)

316 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #222 scottishbuzzsaw

Good to see you, too, FrogMarch. Had to give my BP a break for a few. How’s everything going with you?

busy. had to run out the door just now. (ack)

317 Obsidiandog  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:53:40pm

This is hate mail? It seems like just a difference of opinion.

318 guftafs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #313 haakondahl

Let me just rush in here.

I don’t see where Guftafs gets off citing Steyn’s “dubious demographical projections that really are of no use (or interest) to anyone”. First off, demographics is one of the easier problems in prediction.

Like Ehrlich’s? Steyn’s projections are not taken seriously (link to lots of posts and information which I read a long time ago so I don’t remember exactly what is said) by professional demographers. He ignores such obvious facts that birth rates are not static quantities, and when the changes do not suit his beliefs, he just ignores them.

If youo take all of the kids who are five years old within a given population, then I *guarantee* that ten years later you will have a maximum of that same number of fifteen year-olds, and an overwhelming likelihood of having a few percent fewer than the first number. And so on. There’s not much dubious about it, unless you want to argue the 1.2 tipping point. On that I don’t know, but I haven’t done my homework on it, and it sounds like he has. I’m willing to take that one at face value.
And “no interest to anyone?” Uh, let me know whenove you make a point, Guftafs. I’ll be happy to respond.

Steyn’s assumption is that it is sufficient to count the heads of the various groups living in a nation and draw conclusions from that. It could either mean that ideas are (i) innate or (ii) most people within each subgroup passively accept the ideas handed down to them. (i) simply means “Hello Vlaams Belang, BNP”, etc., since their whole world outlook rests on the assumption that ideas are innate. (ii) is true for all groups, but this ignores things such as: the fact that birth rates among Muslim immigrants in Europe are falling (see link above about non constant birth rates, that they most likely are falling because the majority of Muslim immigrants arrive in order to live in a Western society where individual choice is guaranteed.

Steyn never makes clear what he bases his argument on. I find however some of his arguments too similar to racist arguments from the early 20th century for comfort.

He does get a bit Johnny one-note, and I think that he gets burned precisely because he’s playing with fire. Frankly, I think he may have been a bit radicalized by his “trial” (with no real law behind it but very real punishments) in Canada under the Human Rights Board or whatever sham gaggle that was. Nobody expects the Canadian Inquisition! But it’s there.

He wrote America Alone before those new speach Canadian bureaucrats bore down on him, didn’t he? And how does that work, “radicalization”? The same way “disenfranchised” Muslims supposedly are “disenfranchized” about Westernj foreign policy?

319 unpaidbills  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:56:17pm

Why do these “white males” feel disaffected?
I’m white and feel pretty normal around other races, in fact I LOVE IT!

Can you imagine an America where it’s whites only, a breed of hateful fascists in control who are obsessed with Adolf Hitler, that great wonderful aryan figurehead who resembled Arnold Schwarztnegger, well in Hitler’s dreams anyway.

Actually, have you noticed all these white supremacists look nothing at all like the Aryan supermen they claim to represent.

320 guftafs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:57:58pm

PIMF: The same way “disenfranchised” Muslims supposedly are “radicalized” about Western foreign policy?

321 avspatti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:58:22pm
The email reeks of bigotry. Sorry you can’t see it.

The ‘bigotry’ in the email is where he says American whites are overlooking some of the unsavory aspects of various groups in order to bond. That is something I can never agree with! I am not a while male; I am a white female raised in the south. In my family any even slightly racist comments were forbidden, for which I am grateful.

OTOH, I do think white MALES have been demonized by various groups in the last 40 years, including the early feminists among others, and that is what I ‘hear’ in his email. Again, it is most definitely strongly negative; hateful is still a bit strong imo.

322 guftafs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:13:01pm

re: #313 haakondahl



On that I don’t know, but I haven’t done my homework on it, and it sounds like he has. I’m willing to take that one at face value.

I guess this is the basic question: Steyn’s good qualities aside, why should anyone unquestioningly, like the commentator above, trust his judgement on matters that are notoriously hard to predict? (See Ehrlich)

323 avspatti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 4:02:08pm

In further response to the word ‘bigotry’, what is that exactly? Should we have an agreed upon definition for it. Obviously, most people know what it is when they see it LOL, but my question concerns the following :

Is it bigotry to be concerned about the interests of one’s own group; NOT to the harm of any other group?

If that is so, then wasn’t it bigotry for 98% of Black American to vote for Obama?

Our society has been ‘groupified’ for decades. Perhaps concern for one’s own group is a by-product of that.

Thoughts?

324 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 5:33:51pm

I get it — there are no right wing extremists, and there’s no such thing as bigotry.

Glad we settled that.

325 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 5:58:14pm

re: #248 Thanos

Looks like some are trying to deflect flames with Byrd in this thread. I don’t buy the “because they are bad we can ignore our badness” argument from anyone the Party of Lincoln.

There’s quite a bit of deflection going on with this issue.

326 avspatti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:08:59pm

re: #324 Charles

I get it — there are no right wing extremists, and there’s no such thing as bigotry.

Glad we settled that.

Charles,

I never said that at all, nor do I believe that. There are most certainly right-wing extremists, and there most certainly is bigotry. I am just trying to pin down exactly which actions can justifiably and without question be called bigotry. I fail to see how that is beyond the pale to discuss.

BTW, I am a teacher of international students, so I am not exactly insulated from different ethnic groups. Most groups are interested in their own group. Why is that so terrible? I can give many examples from my own adult students. If it is impossible to have these discussions without receiving the dreaded red down-ding, then that is sad.

327 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:19:21pm

re: #326 avspatti

In the case of the above email, for me the best place to look for the bigotry is in this:

I will never hold hands with a grand dragon klan nut BUT I think American whites are putting that aside because it is coming to a head with this avalanche of democrats…

He’s saying it’s time to join hands with the Klan.

Apparently there are people who are so upset with what they think is my “change in direction” that they’re identifying with what this creep wrote to me. Take a close look at what you’re defending, please.

328 avspatti  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:30:36pm

re: #327 Charles

In the case of the above email, for me the best place to look for the bigotry is in this:

He’s saying it’s time to join hands with the Klan.

Apparently there are people who are so upset with what they think is my “change in direction” that they’re identifying with what this creep wrote to me. Take a close look at what you’re defending, please.

Really, I am not meaning to defend him. Just seeking to understand. Will continue to cogitate on it.

329 friarstale  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:31:05am

well, I remember when I stopped posting a while back, Charles begged and begged me to come back, but did I?
No, I did not!

um, just kidding…

hey, everybody! Remember me?
I used to post here, but then I broke my leg, and my dog ate my homework, and my wife took away my birthday, and, uh, well, I do still check in once in a while, and I’m glad my user name and password do still work

Keep up the great work, Charles!

Friar

330 loggiedog  Fri, May 1, 2009 8:07:28am

One thing to note: The primary themes of the times on LGF has changed considerably from this time last year; Creationism was not a central topic, and while Neo-Nazis from Europe were topics of discussion, they have become more commonplace in recent months. I think LGF has really become a centrist site. That’s a good thing, but LGF is not the same as it was in 2007 or 2008. It has grown/evolved organically.


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