Two More DHS ‘Left Wing Extremism’ Reports

US News • Views: 16,365

Since people continue to rant about the Department of Homeland Security’s report on “right wing extremism,” saying things like:

I won’t hold my breath waiting for a “left wing extremist” report.

… here are two more DHS reports on “left wing extremism,” available through Wikileaks, and just like the “right wing extremism” report they’re marked “For Official Use Only:”

DHS: Plans to Target Transportation Infrastructure Surrounding Republican National Convention, 27 Mar 2008

DHS: Ecoterrorism: Environmental and Animal-Rights Militants in the United States, 7 May 2008

Jump to bottom

217 comments
1 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:40am

Clowns to the left of me...
Jokers to the right...

2 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:38:53am

Maybe so, but Obama didn't release them!

/glenn beck

3 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:40:34am

I know it is too early to go OT but I thought everyone would like this picture of Rodgers Pass, a main thoroughfare through northern central MT.
Please find the road.
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]
Where's FEMA?

4 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:41:35am

A new era of bipartisanship. Huzzah!

5 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:43:04am

re: #3 Eowyn2

I know it is too early to go OT but I thought everyone would like this picture of Rodgers Pass, a main thoroughfare through northern central MT.
Please find the road.
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]
Where's FEMA?

You mean the FEMA Camp, in the upper right-hand corner?

/

6 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:43:04am

I'm not holding my breath on the "moderate extremist" report from the DHS.

/

7 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:43:12am

Misery loves company?
Still, there should be no leaks, accidentally or on purpose.

8 Gang of One  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:44:37am

re: #1 MrSilverDragon

Clowns to the left of me...
Jokers to the right...

Bread and circuses, sir, and this [the DHS report] is the circus. Smoke and mirrors next ...

9 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #6 simonml

I'm not holding my breath on the "moderate extremist" report from the DHS.

/

I hear they're stockpiling military-grade milquetoast!

10 Cheesehead  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:47:11am

Left-wing extremists always have such innocuous sounding names. Like "environmental" and "animal rights" militants. They tend to sound so friendly and helpful.
/...

11 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:15am

I'm waiting for the DHS to issue its report on

"Dangerously Incompetent, Inattentive and Just Plain Lazy DHS Agents at U.S. Airport Security Checkpoints."

12 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #10 Cheesehead

Left-wing extremists always have such innocuous sounding names. Like "environmental" and "animal rights" militants. They tend to sound so friendly and helpful.
/...

Animals have rights. They have the right to be a tasty dinner for me.

13 Gang of One  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #10 Cheesehead

Left-wing extremists always have such innocuous sounding names. Like "environmental" and "animal rights" militants. They tend to sound so friendly and helpful.
/...

It's called 'defiining the narrative.' Can't recall if it was Lenin or Goebels who remarked that if you control the language, you control the thought.

14 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:27am

Personally, I consider the distinction to be a transition from specific, concrete concerns such as those enumerated in the two "left wing" analyses above to the incredibly broad, sweeping pre-judgments contained in the more recent "right wing" report. If either of the two reports above had flagged groups of people as potential terrorists for "liking animals" or "being concerned about the environment" -- rather than members of ELF or ALF -- then we might be looking apples to apples.

15 CommonCents  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:47am

2008, thanks for sharing.

16 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:48:47am

I'm not holding my breath no matter what.
That co2 will kill you.
As for DHS reports and the leaks, the jury is still out..............

17 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:49:10am

As long as they don't catch wind of the Violently Neutral Party I'll be in the clear.

PARTY
OF
ONE,
R

18 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:07am

re: #11 zombie

I'm waiting for the DHS to issue its report on

"Dangerously Incompetent, Inattentive and Just Plain Lazy DHS Agents at U.S. Airport Security Checkpoints."

They should start with that hijabi bitch at DTW, the one who loves to feel up elderly nuns and rabbis.

19 elBarto  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:13am

There is a big difference. This gives specific examples of groups and organizations not just shadowy no name groups.

20 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:23am

re: #10 Cheesehead

Left-wing extremists always have such innocuous sounding names. Like "environmental" and "animal rights" militants. They tend to sound so friendly and helpful.
/...

/till they set of "enlightenment" devices...

21 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:25am

re: #17 Render

As long as they don't catch wind of the Violently Neutral Party I'll be in the clear.

I'm a member of that party. When we riot, we throw Molotov Shirley Temples.

22 Seattle Rep  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:50:29am

Animal Rights Activists...did any of you catch that episode of Fringe?
Oh, and I support animal tasting. I'm an omnivore after all =)

23 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:04am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

Maybe so, but Obama didn't release them!

/glenn beck

Exactly -- isn't the argument of the reactionary extremist rabblerousers supposed to be that, since Obama took over, DHS has been profiling veterans and coming to arrest them at night as they sleep? These reports were both released back during the Bush administration. And you may recall from a speech that some American celebrity gave in Europe (Sean Penn, maybe?) that back in the Bush days, the government used to secretly listen in on all liberals'p hone calls, and people were routinely getting arrested for doing things like making a $10 contribution to Greenpeace.

24 JohnnyReb  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:38am

re: #19 elBarto

There is a big difference. This gives specific examples of groups and organizations not just shadowy no name groups.

Yes and they were released a year ago. Huge difference when a DHS report is not subject to politics I would say.

25 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:46am

re: #6 simonml

I'm not holding my breath on the "moderate extremist" report from the DHS.

/

Moderate extremists are an endangered species due to their unfortunate habit of holding sit-in protests in the middle of the road. /

26 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:51am

re: #13 Gang of One

It's called 'defiining the narrative.' Can't recall if it was Lenin or Goebels who remarked that if you control the language, you control the thought.

It was George Orwell.

27 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:51:55am

I question the timing.

//////////

28 Gang of One  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:52:32am

re: #17 Render

As long as they don't catch wind of the Violently Neutral Party I'll be in the clear.

PARTY
OF
ONE,
R

Not to be confused with Gang of One, yes?

29 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:52:49am

re: #25 DaddyG

Moderate extremists are an endangered species due to their unfortunate habit of holding sit-in protests in the middle of the road. /

VERY NICE! I'm not too bright. Had to read it two or three times.

30 looking closely  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:52:49am

The difference is that THESE reports contain information related to specific threats.

Names are named, and tactics and incidents are described explicitly.

The "right wing extremist" report contains a lot of speculation and hot air, and the difference is like night and day.

Just look at the two reports.

31 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:07am

re: #21 zombie

I'm a member of that party. When we riot, we throw Molotov Shirley Temples.

And shooting Nerf weapons.

32 Gang of One  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:45am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

It was George Orwell.

Yes! Thanks, Walter.

33 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:53:49am

re: #11 zombie

I'm waiting for the DHS to issue its report on

"Dangerously Incompetent, Inattentive and Just Plain Lazy DHS Agents at U.S. Airport Security Checkpoints."

They just can't find or retain good employees since the bonus programs were cut due to MSM manufactured popular outrage.

/Channeling Citi-Corp executives.

34 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:03am

re: #17 Render

As long as they don't catch wind of the Violently Neutral Party I'll be in the clear.

PARTY
OF
ONE,
R

"I hate those damn Neutrals! You never know where they stand!"

Zapf Brannigan

"Beige Alert!"

Neutral Commander

35 Athos  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:40am

re: #21 zombie

I'm a member of that party. When we riot, we throw Molotov Shirley Temples.


in unbreakable bottles......

36 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:54:54am

re: #30 looking closely

The difference is that THESE reports contain information related to specific threats.

Names are named, and tactics and incidents are described explicitly.

The "right wing extremist" report contains a lot of speculation and hot air, and the difference is like night and day.

Just look at the two reports.

I looked.

There's no difference.

37 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

And shooting Nerf weapons.

Is Nerf gas a WMD?

38 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:55:31am

re: #12 MrSilverDragon

Animals have rights. They have the right to be a tasty dinner for me.

They also have the right to defend me against unwanted intruders.

39 HelloDare  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:00am

'Yes We Can,' Farsi edition

Obama's signature campaign slogan, Yes We Can, has been replicated by the Iranian president in a promotional video issued for Iran's presidential poll on 12 June, when Ahmadinejad is seeking reelection.

The video features a cover picture of Ahmadinejad wearing his trademark white jacket and pointing to the Farsi phrase Ma Mitavanim (We Can) on a blackboard. The film is aimed at students and capitalises on his former status as a university lecturer.

40 Spider Mensch  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

And shooting Nerf weapons.


bomb vests made out of hot dogs...what movie was that? Tommy Boy? or was it a Simpsons episode?

41 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:13am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

And shooting Nerf weapons.

Pick your weapon sir!

Top ten Nerf weapons

42 zombie  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:15am

re: #34 SixDegrees

"I hate those damn Neutrals! You never know where they stand!"

Zapf Brannigan

"Beige Alert!"

Neutral Commander

"What makes a man turn neutral?"

43 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #28 Gang of One

Not to be confused with Gang of One, yes?


or Army of One

44 Cheesehead  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:24am

re: #35 Athos

in unbreakable bottles......

and generally thrown straight up in the air, so as not to hurt anyone....

45 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:56:41am

re: #40 Spider Mensch

bomb vests made out of hot dogs...what movie was that? Tommy Boy? or was it a Simpsons episode?

Simpsons, when Principal Skinner and Edna K. fall in love.

46 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:12am

re: #34 SixDegrees

"I hate those damn Neutrals! You never know where they stand!"

Zapf Brannigan

"Beige Alert!"

Neutral Commander


Your text to link...

47 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:13am

re: #37 DaddyG

Is Nerf gas a WMD?

No, but red's is
/white smoke.

48 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:20am

re: #38 Eowyn2

They also have the right to defend me against unwanted intruders.

I just had the image of a PETA solicitor being chased down the street by a dog. I cracked myself up.

49 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:24am

re: #42 zombie

"What makes a man turn neutral?"

/estrogen pills?

50 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:48am

I downloaded and read the DHS report. It boiled down to two points: 1.) Barak Obama is black and 2.) be on the lookout for the KKK.

51 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:57:51am

re: #11 zombie

I'm waiting for the DHS to issue its report on

"Dangerously Incompetent, Inattentive and Just Plain Lazy DHS Agents at U.S. Airport Security Checkpoints."

That's not fair. They're quite attentive for good-looking women; my daughter usually gets searched going through.

52 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:00am

I am still waiting for the report on middle easterners coming in via the Canadian border via _______

but this was made under Bush and will likely get no major airplay, except as ridicule of Bush and his policies

53 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:08am

re: #21 zombie

I'm a member of that party. When we riot, we throw Molotov Shirley Temples.

as long as they're not Virgin Marys or Ceasars, you are in the clear.

54 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:25am

re: #49 brookly red

/estrogen pills?

a vas?/

55 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:36am

re: #50 Liberal Classic

I downloaded and read the DHS report. It boiled down to two points: 1.) Barak Obama is black and 2.) be on the lookout for the KKK.

LOL. Thank God for the government to warn us!

56 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:58:54am

re: #23 Last Mohican

Exactly -- isn't the argument of the reactionary extremist rabblerousers supposed to be that, since Obama took over, DHS has been profiling veterans and coming to arrest them at night as they sleep? These reports were both released back during the Bush administration. And you may recall from a speech that some American celebrity gave in Europe (Sean Penn, maybe?) that back in the Bush days, the government used to secretly listen in on all liberals'p hone calls, and people were routinely getting arrested for doing things like making a $10 contribution to Greenpeace.

I noticed something once with groups that are begging for money. If you send them a tiny donation, like $2 for instance, within 6 months, they will spend more than that on postage begging for more, and that's at the cheaper bulk rates.

57 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:25am

re: #54 Erik The Red

a vas?/

Ouch. [cringe]

58 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:27am

If you want examples of left wing extremism, just spend a few minutes reading the DU forums.

59 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:37am

re: #17 Render

As long as they don't catch wind of the Violently Neutral Party

I'm suddenly reminded of the Dwarves in C.S. Lewis' The Last Battle. "The Dwarves are for themselves!" they cheerfully announce as they fire arrows at both sides.

60 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:44am

re: #51 Kosh's Shadow

That's not fair. They're quite attentive for good-looking women; my daughter usually gets searched going through.

So when I got searched that was a compliment? Who knew?

61 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:53am

re: #21 zombie

I'm a member of that party. When we riot, we throw Molotov Shirley Temples.

actually, there is a simple recipe for turning 2 household ingredients into a non-flamable rocket propellant that is excellent for launching a 2 liter plastic bottle

62 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:56am

Both of those reports were created during the previous Administration and DHS regime.

The crazies on both sides are just waiting for a match to be applied to the tinder they keep piling up.

63 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:00:12pm

re: #39 HelloDare

'Yes We Can,' Farsi edition

Obama's signature campaign slogan, Yes We Can, has been replicated by the Iranian president in a promotional video issued for Iran's presidential poll on 12 June, when Ahmadinejad is seeking reelection.

The video features a cover picture of Ahmadinejad wearing his trademark white jacket and pointing to the Farsi phrase Ma Mitavanim (We Can) on a blackboard. The film is aimed at students and capitalises on his former status as a university lecturer.

Persian Unicorns?

64 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:00:38pm

re: #61 Adrenalyn

actually, there is a simple recipe for turning 2 household ingredients into a non-flamable rocket propellant that is excellent for launching a 2 liter plastic bottle

Pepsi and Mentos?

65 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:00:51pm

re: #42 zombie

"What makes a man turn neutral?"

Tan wine and Cream of Rutabaga soup?

66 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:00:52pm

re: #50 Liberal Classic

I downloaded and read the DHS report. It boiled down to two points: 1.) Barak Obama is black and 2.) be on the lookout for the KKK.

That's ridiculous. But par for the course.

The fact is that there are a number of specific examples in the DHS report on right wing extremism, and it is NOT an attempt to smear all conservatives. Not even close.

67 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #63 Ward Cleaver

Persian Unicorns?


They're called 'camels'.

68 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:01:07pm

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Pepsi and Mentos?

no, you're thinking of coca-cola and aspirin as a chrome cleaner

69 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:01:32pm

re: #61 Adrenalyn

actually, there is a simple recipe for turning 2 household ingredients into a non-flamable rocket propellant that is excellent for launching a 2 liter plastic bottle

Mentos and diet coke, right?

70 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:01:35pm

re: #48 MrSilverDragon

I just had the image of a PETA solicitor being chased down the street by a dog. I cracked myself up.

PeTA member set upon by pitbulls! News at 11!

71 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:01:46pm

re: #58 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you want examples of left wing extremism, just spend a few minutes reading the DU forums.

I have so few unpickled brain cells left to kill.

72 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:01:47pm

re: #68 Adrenalyn

no, you're thinking of coca-cola and aspirin as a chrome cleaner

I thought coca-cola and aspirin would give you a buzz (when I was a kid).

73 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:00pm

re: #41 Mithrax

Pick your weapon sir!

Top ten Nerf weapons

my grandson has the ballzooka, supermaxx, crossbow, nerfnstrike, and maverick.
Everyone gets in on the fun!

74 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:03pm

re: #37 DaddyG

Is Nerf gas a WMD?

"Mustard gas is nothing compared to a Walter fart."- Achmed The Dead Terrorist

75 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:06pm

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Pepsi and Mentos?

vinegar & baking soda?

76 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:21pm

re: #71 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have so few unpickled brain cells left to kill.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

77 midwestgak  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:22pm

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

78 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:24pm

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

PeTA member set upon by pitbulls! News at 11!

Law of Irony still in effect! Law of Gravity still has pull, as well!

79 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:25pm

oh shoot, look at my watch
I have to go get some lunch

maybe I'll post the rocket formula while I return

80 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:32pm

re: #57 simonml

Ouch. [cringe]

I had mine done last year. From the time I was taken into the op room until I climbed into my car was 45 minutes. No pain. No pills after wards. 2 to 3 days of discomfort is all.

81 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #75 brookly red

vinegar & baking soda?

Bleach and ammonia go boom.

82 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #75 brookly red

vinegar & baking soda?

That makes a homemade CO2 extinguisher, right?

83 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:02pm

Somehow, I felt safer when we just had the good old National Guard.

84 looking closely  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:07pm

Again, here is the link to the absolutely lousy DHS "rightwing terrorism report:

[Link: www.fas.org...]

Note the speculative nature of one of the first summary paragraphs:


(U//LES) Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.

Now compare to the several PAGES of ACTUAL threats and carried out attacks by the ecoterrorist groups.

85 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

Not to my knowledge, gak!

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:15pm

re: #76 redstateredneck

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

If only I knew where to get one, you know where? ;)

87 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:26pm

re: #46 DaddyG

Your text to link...

[snort!] I love that show.

I hear there's another movie on the way.

88 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:33pm

re: #81 redstateredneck

Bleach and ammonia go boom.

I thought that just made poison gas.

89 alegrias  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:38pm

OT

Democrats Rep. Joe Sestak and Joe Torricelly of Pennsylvania are probably going nuts now that exRepublican Arlen Specter's going to get Pres. Obama's green light to run for Senator in their democrat primary.

Talk about pissed off. To the back of the bus, make way for high & mighty Specter, you lowly dems.

90 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:00pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

Oink! Not me! Oink!

91 Gang of One  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:01pm

re: #43 Eowyn2

or Army of One

True dat.

92 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:15pm

re: #3 Eowyn2

I know it is too early to go OT but I thought everyone would like this picture of Rodgers Pass, a main thoroughfare through northern central MT.
Please find the road.
[Link: rwis.mdt.mt.gov...]
Where's FEMA?

Lewis and Clark seemed to get through ok without FEMA.
/

93 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:26pm

re: #80 Erik The Red

I had mine done last year. From the time I was taken into the op room until I climbed into my car was 45 minutes. No pain. No pills after wards. 2 to 3 days of discomfort is all.

Oh. I know. I just cringe thinking about sharp objects near my family jewels.

94 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:41pm

re: #82 Ward Cleaver

That makes a homemade CO2 extinguisher, right?

or a plastic rocket, I had one as a kid :)

95 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:04:47pm

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

PeTA member set upon by pitbulls! News at 11!


"Dog Bites the Hand that Feeds It"

96 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:05:11pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

We're lizards, not swine.....

sheesh some people!

//////// ;-P

97 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

I thought that just made poison gas.

I've never mixed it.

98 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:05:43pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

The only thing I'm infected by is an addiction to this site.....
:)

99 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:05:55pm

re: #94 brookly red

or a plastic rocket, I had one as a kid :)

We had the kind you put water in, then pumped up with a hand pump. Red and white plastic, as I remember.

100 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:00pm

re: #90 Ward Cleaver

There were these two cows, chatting over the fence between their fields.

The first cow said, "I tell you, this mad-cow-disease is really pretty scary. They say it is spreading fast; I heard it hit some cows down on the Johnson Farm."

The other cow replies, "I ain't worried, it don't affect us ducks."

101 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:02pm

re: #97 redstateredneck

I've never mixed it.

Word of advice... don't. :)

102 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:05pm

re: #92 LGoPs

Lewis and Clark seemed to get through ok without FEMA.
/

That's was before global warming.......

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:07pm

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

I thought that just made poison gas.

Just feed me a bean burrito or chimachanga is that is what you are looking for.

104 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:12pm
Youtube Video
105 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #96 jcm

We're lizards, not swine.....

sheesh some people!

//////// ;-P

Drink no swine....before its time.....
- Orson Welles?

106 Rexatosis  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:29pm

I don't think the real issue here is that Homeland Security is doing threat assessments examining either the left or the right. (That's DHS's job) Leaks are done with purpose. That DHS leaked the "right wing extremist" report right before the "Tea Partys" may indicate a political agenda to control the news cycle. (I am not buying it's coincidence--just call me cynical.) The leaking of "left wing extremist" reports after all the conservative criticism of the prior report was done with purpose (as all leaks are--I know I am repeating myself). This second leak essentially inoculates DHS from being seen as creating the "right wing extremist" assessment for partisan political purposes while at the same time making conservative hysterical criticism seem rankly partisan and allowing partisan Democrats to lump reasoned critics (objecting to the rather glaring partisan leak of the report in conjunction with conservative protests against the economic policies of the Obama Administration in order to "frame" these protests as "extremist"--which was done) in with the hysterical right therefore muting the effectiveness of said reasoned critics.

These guys are real good at propaganda and media manipulation--scary good.

107 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:36pm

re: #98 LGoPs

The only thing I'm infected by is an addiction to this site.....
:)

There is no cure.

108 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:06:45pm

re: #59 Occasional Reader

I'm suddenly reminded of the Dwarves in C.S. Lewis' The Last Battle. "The Dwarves are for themselves!" they cheerfully announce as they fire arrows at both sides.

as Treebeard would say 'we're not on either side because nobody is entirely on our side' or something to that effect.

109 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #97 redstateredneck

I've never mixed it.

Trust me, you don't want to. People have died doing that. I've always read the ingredients when using unfamiliar cleaners, to make sure I don't go there.

110 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

No, I'm feeling perfectly

arrrrrghhh

111 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:30pm

And speaking of the whole silly "DHS is going after veterans" meme, this link appeared as a spin-off of the overnight thread: Rudy Giuliani grades Obama's first 100 days.

I'm a huge fan of Rudy in general. I've said it before, I think he's the greatest American political leader of our time. And in general I think he does an excellent job with this interview on CNN. However, there's one point where he didn't understand a question the interviewer asked, and so, at 1:56, he vamps by reflexively repeating this silly right-wing talking point, while justifiably criticizing Obama's abhorrent policy of pretending that Islamic extremism doesn't exist:

I'm thinking of the reaction of Islamic terrorists, which you're not allowed to say any more, by the way. The memo says we have to look at the veterans, the pro-life people that assemble for possibilities of terrorism. Not the Islamic terrorists. We've banned the word "Islamic terrorist."

Rudy is not doing himself any favors by repeating this junk.

112 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:32pm

re: #99 Ward Cleaver

We had the kind you put water in, then pumped up with a hand pump. Red and white plastic, as I remember.

those were really fun too & just a bit more dangerous.

113 MacGregor  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:40pm

Thanks Charles. This is the reason I'm so staunchly against Al Gore's climate hysteria mongering. He turns honorable concern for the environment into anger at capitalism.

114 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:47pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Lizards, have any of you been infected?

I think that I do. I have this urge to go roll in some mud!

115 looking closely  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:07:51pm

re: #36 SixDegrees

I looked.

There's no difference.


No difference? Are you joking?

The whole "right wing extremism" report is 9 pages long, including fluff. The summary statement at the beginning of the report indicates that there is no known active threat.

The ecoterrorism report is 40 pages, long containing over six pages profiling individual ecoterrorists by name, and five full pages of references. Another 9 full pages (ie more content than the entire other report) list individual terrorist attacks by these groups.

116 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:08:14pm

re: #109 Ward Cleaver

Trust me, you don't want to. People have died doing that. I've always read the ingredients when using unfamiliar cleaners, to make sure I don't go there.

And don't spill your carbonated beverage into pool chemicals. Instant gas chamber.

117 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:08:15pm

re: #109 Ward Cleaver

Trust me, you don't want to. People have died doing that. I've always read the ingredients when using unfamiliar cleaners, to make sure I don't go there.

I just knew it did something bad. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

118 jcm  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:00pm

re: #105 LGoPs

Drink no swine....before its time.....
- Orson Welles?

Porcine Welles

119 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:00pm

re: #103 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just feed me a bean burrito or chimachanga is that is what you are looking for.

Great line from the old Britcom, Good Neighbours:

"Methane? You're inthane!"

/pronounced mee-thane

120 ssn697  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:01pm

re: #19 elBarto

There is a big difference. This gives specific examples of groups and organizations not just shadowy no name groups.

They covered this. There were so many small groups on the fringe right, they didn't feel they could list them all.

Give the far left loonies credit: they find their crazed cause, and join together better than the far right crazies ;-)

121 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #112 brookly red

those were really fun too & just a bit more dangerous.

Yeah they were.

122 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:31pm

Janet "Ms. Potato Head" Napolitano speaks again...

Napolitano retracts 'passive surveillance' term

Appearing Wednesday before a Senate panel, Napolitano said that "passive surveillance" is "not an accurate picture of what is going on" at U.S. entry points. She had used that term Tuesday morning to describe the nature of the monitoring for illness.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Her and Gibbs are fighting hard for being the wineer of the stupid race in the Obama administration.

123 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:33pm

re: #115 looking closely

No difference? Are you joking?

The whole "right wing extremism" report is 9 pages long, including fluff. The summary statement at the beginning of the report indicates that there is no known active threat.

The ecoterrorism report is 40 pages, long containing over six pages profiling individual ecoterrorists by name, and five full pages of references. Another 9 full pages (ie more content than the entire other report) list individual terrorist attacks by these groups.


What's that group...ELF? They are extremely dangerous.

124 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:39pm

re: #116 simonml

And don't spill your carbonated beverage into pool chemicals. Instant gas chamber.

Do not mix it with brake fluid either!

125 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:46pm

re: #12 MrSilverDragon

Animals have rights. They have the right to be a tasty dinner for me.

I am a member of PETA--People for Eating Tasty Animals.

126 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #116 simonml

And don't spill your carbonated beverage into pool chemicals. Instant gas chamber.

"Ooh, I hate it when that happens."

-Billy Crystal character, Saturday Night Live, circa 1985

127 albusteve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:10:10pm

extremism is so fashionable these days, seems like everyone doing it...alas I'm an old frump that barely gets out and I miss all the newest political fetishes...ho hum

128 Erik The Red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:10:41pm

re: #124 steve

Do not mix it with brake fluid either!

Break fluid is great for a tooth ache.

129 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:10:43pm

re: #109 Ward Cleaver

Trust me, you don't want to. People have died doing that. I've always read the ingredients when using unfamiliar cleaners, to make sure I don't go there.

mixing drain openers is not a good idea either.

130 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:10:55pm

re: #110 Occasional Reader

No, I'm feeling perfectly

arrrrrghhh

Take two of these and call me in the morning.

131 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:11:11pm

re: #123 redstateredneck

What's that group...ELF? They are extremely dangerous.

"The ELFs are for the ELFs!" they cheerfully announce, as they fire arrows at both sides.

132 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:11:20pm

re: #115 looking closely

No difference? Are you joking?

The whole "right wing extremism" report is 9 pages long, including fluff. The summary statement at the beginning of the report indicates that there is no known active threat.

The ecoterrorism report is 40 pages, long containing over six pages profiling individual ecoterrorists by name, and five full pages of references. Another 9 full pages (ie more content than the entire other report) list individual terrorist attacks by these groups.

You're deluding yourself.

133 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #92 LGoPs

True.
But 1/2 the roads in and out of the state are now closed and we expect another 24 hours of snow.

I shoveled my patio four times last night. Its heavy, its wet, its slippery. The worst part is the 8 ft drifts on the side of the road.

134 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #17 Render

As long as they don't catch wind of the Violently Neutral Party I'll be in the clear.


Ah, yes: Agnostic Jihad!

135 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #124 steve

Do not mix it with brake fluid either!

Cool! Never knew that!

Youtube Video
136 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:12:11pm

re: #131 Occasional Reader

"The ELFs are for the ELFs!" they cheerfully announce, as they fire arrows at both sides.

Don't mix your dwarves and elves.

137 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:12:17pm

re: #129 brookly red

mixing drain openers is not a good idea either.

Don't you know it. I once tried using a plunger and a plumbers snake at the same time and almost cause a small rip in the space-time continuum.

138 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:12:22pm

re: #21 zombie

I'm a member of that party. When we riot, we throw Molotov Shirley Temples.

MazelTov Cocktails?

139 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:12:46pm

re: #92 LGoPs


the Donner party didn't.

140 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:12:50pm

re: #134 haakondahl

Ah, yes: Agnostic Jihad!

There is no something but something, and someone may or may not be his prophet!

141 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:12:52pm

re: #128 Erik The Red

Break fluid is great for a tooth ache.

That will cut into the dentist's trade if it gets out.

142 Liberal Classic  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:13:08pm

re: #66 Charles

That's ridiculous. But par for the course.

The fact is that there are a number of specific examples in the DHS report on right wing extremism, and it is NOT an attempt to smear all conservatives. Not even close.

I was somewhat incensed by the news reports on it, but after actually having read the report, I don't believe that it tars all Republicans or conservatives (or libertarians for that matter) with the violent extremist brush. Of course it talked about the 1995 OKC bombing, and briefly touched on McVeigh's motivation stemming from the government's handling of Randy Weaver. The part about veterans said specifically that violent extremists would look to recruit servicemen returning from Iraq due to their experience in combat. I don't believe it implied that veterans tended toward violent extremism.

It really could be boiled down to maybe three things. 1.) people are nervous about the bad economy and 2. the president is black, so 3.) be on the lookout for increased KKK activity. It's like a bulletin to be issued to law-enforcement agencies. Personally, I don't see it as a big deal. It makes for a great headline, though.

143 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:13:18pm

re: #133 Eowyn2

True.
But 1/2 the roads in and out of the state are now closed and we expect another 24 hours of snow.

I shoveled my patio four times last night. Its heavy, its wet, its slippery. The worst part is the 8 ft drifts on the side of the road.

I know you're probably sick of it but I miss snow. None down here in SoCal. I loved it when I was a kid growing up in Chicago. Also used to love to drive in it.........

144 brookly red  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:13:18pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Don't you know it. I once tried using a plunger and a plumbers snake at the same time and almost cause a small rip in the space-time continuum.

in your drain I assume...

145 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:14:18pm

re: #135 simonml

Cool! Never knew that!


Played with it during my hazmat classes.

146 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:14:26pm

...and whatever you do, do not warm your Preparation H in the microwave! /

147 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:14:28pm

re: #77 midwestgak

Swine Flu News Conference on all network channels.

Was there anything new and interesting? What I gleaned from the CDC's website today was that there are now 91 confirmed cases in the U.S., in ten states that range from coast to coast and from the Mexican border to the Canadian border, and that there has been one death.

Also, the incubation period is "2 to 7 days." Someone asked why the Mexican patients seem to be getting so much sicker than the American ones, which is something that has interested me, but the CDC doc just kinda said some lame stuff and didn't really have an answer.

148 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:14:35pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

There is no something but something, and someone may or may not be his prophet!

We're not sure if it means "Holy War" or "Peaceful Inner Struggle".

149 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:14:51pm

re: #125 haakondahl

I am a member of PETA--People for Eating Tasty Animals.

I worked with the guy who originally set up the PETA site (the funny one, not the crazy one) and he's got some stories about the whole thing, the lawsuit attempts, the domain stealing... those PETA guys (the crazy one, not the funny one) are insane.

150 DaddyG  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:15:24pm

re: #143 LGoPs

I know you're probably sick of it but I miss snow. None down here in SoCal. I loved it when I was a kid growing up in Chicago. Also used to love to drive in it.........


Donuts in the parking lot! (Grew up and learned to drive in the Western Suburbs of Chicago)

151 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:15:45pm

re: #136 redstateredneck

Don't mix your dwarves and elves.

Yes, you either get a dwelf or an erv, and everyone knows there's no such thing.

152 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:15:49pm

I've looked at a lot of the polls circulating about grading Obama's first craptacular 100 days. A consistent question is: "Do you think his speeches are inspiring." A lot of people grade him an A, even if they give him an F overall.

To me, his speeches are completely the opposite of "inspiring," they are extraordinarily fear-mongering. Everything is a crises. Everything is a catastrophe. I'll also add they are pendantic and dull, anything but "inspiring."

153 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:15:53pm

I'm hesitant to post this, because I'm sure it will draw the attention of Killgore Trout, Junior Field Representative of the Southern Poverty Law Center. But it's too interesting to ignore.

Right-Wing College Group Riles Students on Campuses Nationwide

A student group that bills itself as "America's right wing youth movement" focused on countering radical multiculturism, socialism and mass immigration is causing a stir on a growing number of college campuses across the country.

[snip>]

"A great part of college is definitely meeting people of different backgrounds, but a multicultural ideology teaches that we should appreciate things just because they're different from our culture with no regards to the quality of the culture and that all cultures are inherently equal," said Trevor Williams, president of YWC's Vanderbilt chapter. "I absolutely disagree."

Of course, this is automatically racist:

"'Western' is a veiled term that means 'white,'" University of North Carolina graduate student Tyler Oakley wrote in an e-mail to FOXNews.com. "I believe that our democracy is strong enough to allow extreme forms of speech, but YWC's message is essentially a negative one, an assault on not being white or non-Western, and is therefore hateful, if not blatant hate speech."

Don't worry, the SPLC is on the case:

Officials at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which identifies and tracks hate groups in the U.S., told FOXNews.com that the YWC is not currently on its list, but some of the group's views are "suspect," including the notion that Western civilization is somehow superior.

Actually, I was on the YWC's side until I got to this part:

Jesse Jones, a freshman at Vanderbilt, where YWC hosted former U.S. Treasurer Bay Buchanan last month, acknowledged the group's right to organize and share its views.

Sister of -- you guessed it -- Pat Buchanan. These guys have got to get their heads out of their butts before they manage to destroy conservatism for the next generation, too.

154 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #146 DaddyG

...and whatever you do, do not warm your Preparation H in the microwave! /

Is this bit of wisdom from lore or personal knowledge?

155 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #150 DaddyG

Donuts in the parking lot! (Grew up and learned to drive in the Western Suburbs of Chicago)

Lincolnwood and Evanston for me......
LOL

156 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:16:04pm

re: #150 DaddyG

Donuts in the parking lot! (Grew up and learned to drive in the Western Suburbs of Chicago)

Woo-hoo! Northeast Missouri for me.

157 midwestgak  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:16:05pm

re: #85 redstateredneck

Not to my knowledge, gak!

WTF with this? The media or whom ever behind it is making a mountain from less than a mole hill. It is spring time, not flu season!

with small caps with my next comment.

the media is telling us to be afraid of what? influenza is and always has been afflicting human beings. i have suffered colds and the flu through 54 years of my life. now all networks are warning us? something, no someone, wants to scare us. lizards, are you buying the media speak?

158 alegrias  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:16:08pm

re: #113 MacGregor

Thanks Charles. This is the reason I'm so staunchly against Al Gore's climate hysteria mongering. He turns honorable concern for the environment into anger at capitalism.

* * *
Gore isn't above taking a cut off the hysteria, though!

Gore's a hypocritical fake tree hugger--getting rich off the schemes to "control" climate.

159 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:16:17pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton


15 updings

160 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:16:18pm

re: #147 Last Mohican

Was there anything new and interesting? What I gleaned from the CDC's website today was that there are now 91 confirmed cases in the U.S., in ten states that range from coast to coast and from the Mexican border to the Canadian border, and that there has been one death.

Also, the incubation period is "2 to 7 days." Someone asked why the Mexican patients seem to be getting so much sicker than the American ones, which is something that has interested me, but the CDC doc just kinda said some lame stuff and didn't really have an answer.

The death in the US was a toddler from Mexico.

161 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:17:10pm

re: #143 LGoPs

I know you're probably sick of it but I miss snow. None down here in SoCal. I loved it when I was a kid growing up in Chicago. Also used to love to drive in it.........

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

162 looking closely  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:17:38pm

re: #120 ssn697

They covered this. There were so many small groups on the fringe right, they didn't feel they could list them all.


Where does it say that? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anything like that in the report. What I see is speculative fluff like this:


(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that the combination of environmental factors that echo the 1990s, including heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms restrictions and returning military veterans, as well as several new trends, including an uncertain economy and a perceived rising influence of other countries, may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements. To the extent that these factors persist, rightwing extremism is likely to grow in strength.


May be?
Meanwhile the DHS claims this:
"(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts."

Meanwhile, the report on ecoterrorism isn't speculative at all, explicitly listing well over 100 actual ecoterrorist attacks in the last ten years.

163 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:17:41pm

re: #147 Last Mohican

Was there anything new and interesting? What I gleaned from the CDC's website today was that there are now 91 confirmed cases in the U.S., in ten states that range from coast to coast and from the Mexican border to the Canadian border, and that there has been one death.

Also, the incubation period is "2 to 7 days." Someone asked why the Mexican patients seem to be getting so much sicker than the American ones, which is something that has interested me, but the CDC doc just kinda said some lame stuff and didn't really have an answer.

I read they have lowered the estimate of deaths in Mexico to 7 confirmed by testing. Its not as virulent as we thought. No Americans have died at this point

164 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:18:11pm

re: #161 Spare O'Lake

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

The only snow jobs I get here in CA is from the politicians......
:)

165 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:18:22pm

re: #143 LGoPs

I love the snow. But it is the end of April and the snow/sun will continue through May. We usually get a really good storm over Memorial Day weekend.

166 haakondahl  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:18:35pm

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

I thought that just made poison gas.

That's Comet and Ammonia (perhaps bleach is in Comet, I don't know). But don't do it, That much I learned very quickly.

167 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:18:40pm

re: #161 Spare O'Lake

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

and warmer, and dryer

168 midwestgak  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #118 jcm

Porcine Welles

{jcm} hahahahahahahahaha

169 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:19:03pm

re: #157 midwestgak

WTF with this? The media or whom ever behind it is making a mountain from less than a mole hill. It is spring time, not flu season!

with small caps with my next comment.

the media is telling us to be afraid of what? influenza is and always has been afflicting human beings. i have suffered colds and the flu through 54 years of my life. now all networks are warning us? something, no someone, wants to scare us. lizards, are you buying the media speak?

Let's see....loss of jobs, loss of health insurance, can't get a loan from the bank, major illness...Hello, National Healthcare!

170 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:19:22pm

re: #160 OldLineTexan

The death in the US was a toddler from Mexico.

Ah yes, I remember. They brought the little kid here to be treated.

It sounds like there still haven't been any really serious, life-threatening cases in the US, other than people who themselves came directly from Mexico.

I do not think this means that Americans have nothing to worry about unless they travel to Mexico. One's immune system doesn't instantly vanish when one crosses the border to Mexico. But I'm just really wondering why this is happening.

171 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #165 Eowyn2

I love the snow. But it is the end of April and the snow/sun will continue through May. We usually get a really good storm over Memorial Day weekend.

Wow. I had no idea it could snow that late. In Chicago the latest we'd usually get would be around Easter. Not often but every once in a while.

172 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:19:45pm

re: #136 redstateredneck

Don't mix your dwarves and elves.

I've had enough of your galadriel-handing; are you even gimli aware of how phony it looks?

173 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:20:12pm

re: #157 midwestgak

I also don't think it's as bad as the hysteria would suggest. An epidimologist on the radio today said that each day that goes by where there are no deaths of otherwise young, healthy people is actually a sign that it may be a flu just like any other. The young, elderly and immunilogically compromised are always at higher risk for flus and other respiratory illnesses.

174 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:20:25pm

re: #120 ssn697

They covered this. There were so many small groups on the fringe right, they didn't feel they could list them all.

Give the far left loonies credit: they find their crazed cause, and join together better than the far right crazies ;-)

If you mean by "Groups", crazy lonersre: #160 OldLineTexan

The death in the US was a toddler from Mexico.

Who was here for the medical care after he or she got sick.

175 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:20:35pm

There is a basic rational argument that so many people seem to forget and it goes something like this: "All Leftist terror groups are filled with Leftists but not all Leftists are terrorists". Now insert "conservative" or "muslim" in those spots and it is still true. Or any group.

People of a group shouldn't take offense when that rationale is used. If they oppose it you have to wonder why. See CAIR.

176 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:21:12pm

re: #161 Spare O'Lake

And the fart go "honda"!

177 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:21:12pm

re: #172 Occasional Reader

I've had enough of your galadriel-handing; are you even gimli aware of how phony it looks?

No Moria your nonsense. I'm Cirdan you Hastor better things to do.

178 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:21:55pm

re: #174 Kosh's Shadow

Who was here for the medical care after he or she got sick.

Yes.

179 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:21:59pm

re: #163 simonml

I read they have lowered the estimate of deaths in Mexico to 7 confirmed by testing. Its not as virulent as we thought. No Americans have died at this point

I thought an 18 month old in Texas had died. Was that not true?

180 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #132 SixDegrees

You're deluding yourself.

That's not an argument, so I guess you don't have one?

I read all 3 reports and each one is of an entirely different character.

The right-wing DHS report is about historical resurgence and recruiting. It refers to a few historical events, but doesn't go into depth about specific right-wing groups. It's about possible or likely trends based on past behavior.

The left-wing eco-terrorist report is about the specific groups and their operational tactics and philosophies - all in considerable detail.

The RNC report is about a specific threat.

181 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:22:20pm

re: #170 Last Mohican

Ah yes, I remember. They brought the little kid here to be treated.

It sounds like there still haven't been any really serious, life-threatening cases in the US, other than people who themselves came directly from Mexico.

I do not think this means that Americans have nothing to worry about unless they travel to Mexico. One's immune system doesn't instantly vanish when one crosses the border to Mexico. But I'm just really wondering why this is happening.

Well, the Trilateral commission and the Bildberg conspiracy couldn't afford the travel to test their latest germ in Africa, so they just went to Mexico.
/YES THIS IS SARC but some morons will believe it anyway

182 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:22:48pm

re: #177 OldLineTexan

No Moria your nonsense. I'm Cirdan you Hastor better things to do.

Stop this pun or I'll mordor both of you.....

183 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:24:27pm

re: #177 OldLineTexan

No Moria your nonsense. I'm Cirdan you Hastor better things to do.

Look, you Aragornt bastard, nobody asked you, so why not go Merry-ly on your way? You're either a colossal Bor, o' mir-ly an annoyance.

184 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:25:13pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Look, you Aragornt bastard, nobody asked you, so why not go Merry-ly on your way? You're either a colossal Bor, o' mir-ly an annoyance.

That was a stretch, Longshanks.

185 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:25:41pm

Puns, I got puns...

A woman has twins and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes to a family in Egypt and is named "Ahmal." The other goes to a family in Spain; they name him "Juan." Year's later; Juan sends a picture of himself to his birth mother. Upon receiving the picture, she tells her
husband that she wishes she also had a picture of Ahmal. Her husband responds, "They're twins! If you've seen Juan, you've seen Ahmal."
186 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:25:50pm

re: #152 Russkilitlover

I've looked at a lot of the polls circulating about grading Obama's first craptacular 100 days. A consistent question is: "Do you think his speeches are inspiring." A lot of people grade him an A, even if they give him an F overall.

To me, his speeches are completely the opposite of "inspiring," they are extraordinarily fear-mongering. Everything is a crises. Everything is a catastrophe. I'll also add they are pendantic and dull, anything but "inspiring."

his 'speeches' are so boring.
nothing concrete to really applaud. just generic gibberish.
open to any interpretation by the listener.
i bet all the fools taken in by him are still waiting on their mortgage payments, gas money and unicorns.
his delivery is like a carny man.

187 looking closely  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:26:15pm

re: #132 SixDegrees

You're deluding yourself.

With due respect, one report lists over 150 separate incidents of violence, names 30 people of interest, documents the names of a dozen groups linked to violent acts, provides pages of tactics and ideology, and provides multiple pages of references and documentation.

The other report explicitly says there is no known active threat from rightwing extremists, but speculates that the political climate might create one.

And you think the reports are synonymous, and that I'm delusional? OK. . .

For the record, I'm not denying that there are right-wing extremists.. . .of course there are. . ., I'm just saying the "right wing" report is highly speculative and poorly documented. Forgetting the one about the RNC for the moment, if you accept the other two at face value, you have to conclude that ecoterrorism is a far greater threat.

188 simonml  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:26:58pm

re: #179 redstateredneck

I thought an 18 month old in Texas had died. Was that not true?

Mexican national brought to Houston for treatment.

189 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:28:07pm

"They're bashing anarcho-primitivism"/

190 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:29:35pm

re: #188 simonml

Mexican national brought to Houston for treatment.


Thanks for clearing that up.

191 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:33:15pm
It appears that the majority of ecoterrorists tend to be Caucasian, middle-or upper-middle-class indivuduals.

"Did you see this? They are targeting ordinary Americans!"//

192 anchors_aweigh  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:34:46pm

The (U//FOUO) markings on the eco-terrorist threat assessment were placed on the document by someone not familiar with the handling of sensitive documents.

How do I know? The (U//FOUO) paragraph markings are at the the end of the paragraphs instead of at the beginning. Only someone who is ignorant of how to mark sensitive documents would place the paragraph markings at the end of the paragraphs. In fact, this is the first time I have ever seen a sensitive document with the paragraph markings at the end of the paragraph. Strange.

A trivial matter perhaps...but why go to the trouble of marking a document (U//FOUO) when the original was apparently not?

The Highway Watch alert looks legit.

193 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #153 doppelganglander

Our mission

Youth for Western Civilization will educate, organize and train activists on campuses across the nation to create a culture that will promote the survival of Western Civilization and pride in Western heritage. This movement is focused on the support of Western history, identity, high culture, and pride and opposition to radical multiculturalism, political correctness, racial preferences, mass immigration, and socialism.

If YWC were not a "White Pride" organization, I would think they would be more careful not to sound like one.

You can call me Assistant Junior Field Representative of the Southern Poverty Law Center if you want to.

194 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:36:58pm

Looks like they are having the wing special down at the DHS!

195 steve  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:38:34pm

re: #187 looking closely

With due respect, one report lists over 150 separate incidents of violence, names 30 people of interest, documents the names of a dozen groups linked to violent acts, provides pages of tactics and ideology, and provides multiple pages of references and documentation.

The other report explicitly says there is no known active threat from rightwing extremists, but speculates that the political climate might create one.

And you think the reports are synonymous, and that I'm delusional? OK. . .

For the record, I'm not denying that there are right-wing extremists.. . .of course there are. . ., I'm just saying the "right wing" report is highly speculative and poorly documented. Forgetting the one about the RNC for the moment, if you accept the other two at face value, you have to conclude that ecoterrorism is a far greater threat.

My wife and I are already violent, radical, right-wing extremists......... we home school!

196 looking closely  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:43:19pm

re: #195 steve

My wife and I are already violent, radical, right-wing extremists......... we home school!

I fit the criteria, because I've been stockpiling weapons and ammunition (like a gazillion other people who think they simply won't be available in the medium-term).

Note that right wing extremists can operate either as groups or as "lone wolves".

That really narrows it down!

197 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:48:02pm

re: #157 midwestgak

WTF with this? The media or whom ever behind it is making a mountain from less than a mole hill. It is spring time, not flu season!

with small caps with my next comment.

the media is telling us to be afraid of what? influenza is and always has been afflicting human beings. i have suffered colds and the flu through 54 years of my life. now all networks are warning us? something, no someone, wants to scare us. lizards, are you buying the media speak?

Damn. I sold off my herd of swine in a panic - I'm such an idiot.

198 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:50:07pm

My nephew is in the National Guard, an officer, leaving college and going to Afghanistan. He is a great kid, smart, level headed. He said that in basic training the quality of the recruits was less than dazzling and many he didn't trust with a weapon. I think we see the word right wing, know that's us in a way, and think the report is aimed at us. We don't see the losers, skinheads, tattooed miscreants, and other just plain drop dead stupids that get into these programs. We see the best of the best. Not the bottom of the barrel.

199 kansas  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:51:05pm

re: #195 steve

My wife and I are already violent, radical, right-wing extremists......... we home school!

Just having my kids home all day and being with them would have made me the mad bomber.

200 Tamron  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:59:11pm

re: #12 MrSilverDragon

Animals have rights. They have the right to be a tasty dinner for me.

Yup. Exactly as shown in this Canadian billboard.
.

201 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:43:55pm

re: #30 looking closely

The difference is that THESE reports contain information related to specific threats.

Names are named, and tactics and incidents are described explicitly.

The "right wing extremist" report contains a lot of speculation and hot air, and the difference is like night and day.

Just look at the two reports.


The Right Wing Extremist report specifically mentions Christian Identity organizations, white supremacist groups, militias, and anti-government conspiracy theorists who fear the "NWO" and a "cabal of Jewish financial elites” are controlling the country.

Does it need to include a list of specific list of organizations and individuals?

There are plenty of them out there.

202 kozmocostello  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:48:43pm

Charles, you miss the point. Reports on the threat posed by left wing extremists identified specific groups with a history of violence and who were making clear their intention of committing violence in the future. The first sentence of the report on right wing extremism should have been the last, because it said clearly that there were no known threats. The right wing threat just went on from there to say that it's possible, which of course, it is. And after that it was all speculation rather than intelligence. I could sit here and right a report claiming that Barack Obama might be planning to launch space based mind control weapons.
If only we had listened to Dennis Kucinich.

203 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:59:30pm

re: #81 redstateredneck

Bleach and ammonia go boom.

It's not so dramatic. They just quietly emit Chlorine Gas.

204 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:03:41pm

re: #84 looking closely

Again, here is the link to the absolutely lousy DHS "rightwing terrorism report:

[Link: www.fas.org...]

Note the speculative nature of one of the first summary paragraphs:


Now compare to the several PAGES of ACTUAL threats and carried out attacks by the ecoterrorist groups.


The RWE report also lists specific examples.

But, you're right...there's no point in being prepared.
Being prepared is silly.

205 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #202 kozmocostello

Charles, you miss the point. Reports on the threat posed by left wing extremists identified specific groups with a history of violence and who were making clear their intention of committing violence in the future. The first sentence of the report on right wing extremism should have been the last, because it said clearly that there were no known threats.

The first sentence reads "The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence"

"No specific information" does not equate to "no threat".
The threat is very real.

This report wasn't created by the White House Press Office, it was created by the DHL. They're doing their job. It's an internal document.

206 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:28:25pm

re: #163 simonml

Its not as virulent as we thought. No Americans have died at this point

The more it passes from person to person, the more easily it will pass in the future. No one knows how it is going to mutate. It could be mild on it's first pass around the planet, and come back with a vengeance.

It's receiving a lot of attention by WHO and CDC because it is an entirely new strain.

207 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:40:09pm

re: #198 kansas

208 snellenr  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:57:47pm

re: #205 Hawaii69

This report wasn't created by the White House Press Office, it was created by the DHL. They're doing their job. It's an internal document.

An internal document? Then why does it say this at the bottom of page 2 (boldface is mine)?

(U) Warning: This document is UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY (U//FOUO). It contains information that may be exempt from public release under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552). It is to be controlled, stored, handled, transmitted, distributed, and disposed of in accordance with DHS policy relating to FOUO information and is not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel who do not have a valid need-to-know without prior approval of an authorized DHS official. State and local homeland security officials may share this document with authorized security personnel without further approval from DHS.

209 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 5:01:30pm

re: #208 snellenr

By "internal", I meant "For Official Use".

210 snellenr  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:25:06pm

re: #209 Hawaii69

By "internal", I meant "For Official Use".

You're right, of course.

By "You're right", I mean you're completely wrong...

211 tvfoh  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:44:32pm

Charles,

I hate to be captain obvious here, The furor over the right wing extremist memo was that it was produced by the new administration. The 2 left wing extremist memo's that have been leaked to show that DHS is looking at them are from 2008 which means that they were created by the Bush administration.

The Right wing extremist memo is dated April 7th 2009, I checked it in the link provided in response #84

I had no doubt that DHS has left wing extremist memo's laying around from the Bush administration.

The question is have any been done since the new administration has taken over?

TVFOH
The View From Out Here

212 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:16:13pm

re: #211 tvfoh

Charles,

I hate to be captain obvious here, The furor over the right wing extremist memo was that it was produced by the new administration.

I hate to be Captain Blindingly Factual, but the DHS report on right wing extremism was begun during the Bush administration.

213 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:53:13am

re: #212 Charles

re: #211 tvfoh

Charles,

I hate to be captain obvious here, The furor over the right wing extremist memo was that it was produced by the new administration.


I hate to be Captain Blindingly Factual, but the DHS report on right wing extremism was begun during the Bush administration.

I hate to be Admiral Rebuttal, but the right wing extremism report led with a plethora of Obama-era references.

214 Salamantis  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:19:35am

re: #213 CommonCents

I hate to be Admiral Rebuttal, but the right wing extremism report led with a plethora of Obama-era references.

Which were of course edited in later, long after Bush-era work on the report began, by members of the incoming Obama administration.

215 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:34:40am

re: #213 CommonCents

I hate to be Admiral Rebuttal, but the right wing extremism report led with a plethora of Obama-era references.

Sorry, Admiral, you're getting a demotion for ignoring facts.

216 ExCamelJockey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:55:53am

I looked through both of those reports and didn't see any mention of the categorical grouping of "left wing" extremists ... I'll give you a 6/10 for making me look though :)

I don't have any objections to the term "Right Wing Extremist" as long as the term "Islamic Terrorist" is accepted ... but it's not and that's what irks me about this report. You can't deny the hypocrisy here.

Can I go back to holding my breath?

217 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #216 ExCamelJockey

I looked through both of those reports and didn't see any mention of the categorical grouping of "left wing" extremists ... I'll give you a 6/10 for making me look though :)

I don't have any objections to the term "Right Wing Extremist" as long as the term "Islamic Terrorist" is accepted ... but it's not and that's what irks me about this report. You can't deny the hypocrisy here.

Can I go back to holding my breath?

From the DHS: Threat of Islamic Radicalization to the Homeland — Integrative Center for Homeland Security.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
3 days ago
Views: 150 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1