PETA Wants to Set Up a Stinky Hog Farm at the Capitol

I’m no fan of PETA (in fact, I think they’re idiots), but I have to admit I kind of like this idea: PETA wants to bring hog farm to Capitol.

(Not for the same reasons as PETA, though.)

As the “swine flu” outbreak continues to make headlines, the animal rights group PETA hopes to graphically illustrate to lawmakers how the problem started in the first place.

The group has submitted an application to Capitol Police to set up a a real-life hog farm on the steps of the Capitol, complete with urine, manure and fans to blow the odor around.

In a statement, PETA says it hopes to replicate the conditions that led to the spread of swine flu and convince Americans to become vegetarians.

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290 comments

1 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:58:52am

Build a fence around themselves?

2 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:15am

And a pig farm on Capital Hill would be different from what we have now just how?

3 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:25am

Wow, I never realized that animals go poo-poo and pee-pee. Thanks, PETA!

4 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:59:35am

Pity they don't dub the pig pen "Hall of Mirrors".

5 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:00:15am

I say GO FOR IT!

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:00:19am

Let me take a guess as to the answer they will get.

In slo-mo...

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

7 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:00:40am

The Capitol is already a hog farm.

8 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:00:55am

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let me take a guess as to the answer they will get.

In slo-mo...

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Why didn't Peta support the "ONE"?

9 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:01:08am

If this happens (of course which I highly doubt it will), I will look upon it and say, "Mmmm... bacon."

10 saberry0530  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:01:10am

re: #7 doppelganglander

The Capitol is already a hog farm.

Yea, but without the fence!

11 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:01:19am

re: #7 doppelganglander

The Capitol is already a hog farm.

Except that one leaves a bad taste in my mouth?

12 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:01:53am

re: #10 saberry0530

Yea, but without the fence!

That's easily remedied.

13 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:01:54am

Heh. It's for reasons like this, that I have an appreciation for PETA.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:17am

re: #8 Nevergiveup

Why didn't Peta support the "ONE"?

If they did not, it is probably because he is a meat eating murderer. No better than George Bush.

But, I'm thinking they gave him a pass and supported him anyway.

Wait, was Ingrid running?

15 Shug  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:19am

Doesn't Code Pink already have a house in DC ?

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:46am

People Eating Tasty Animals.

There. Wanted to beat everybody to it.

17 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:49am

re: #12 doppelganglander

That's easily remedied.

Yeah, you think. This Government isn't to big or good on fences. See border down south?

18 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:54am

A bunch of pigs feeding at the trough. That's exactly what they are. Too bad PETA isn't trying to make that point. Maybe some tea party people can hijack it?

19 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:58am

They better not stand to close to the pig pen, they might get pushed in themselves in a case of mistaken idenitity

20 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:02:59am

re: #7 doppelganglander

The Capitol is already a hog farm.

And effluent washes into all our lives.

21 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:03:05am

Make them purchase the land to build their pen then invoke eminent domain and seize it back.

22 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #2 Nevergiveup

And a pig farm on Capital Hill would be different from what we have now just how?

Damn! PETA beat us to it. Would have made a nice porkulus protest!

23 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:03:27am

And if PETA are denied their application to set up a hog farm on the Capitol steps, they're threatening to suuuue-EEEEEE!.....

24 Shug  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:03:59am

Murtha and Byrd have already claimed credit for the Pork

25 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:10am

Congress already has the pork flu.

26 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:14am

Now someone should put labels on the pigs giving a politician's name and price (the amount of campaign contributions and lobbyist gifts).

27 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:16am

I can has pulled pork burger?

28 Rancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:20am

These outbreaks usually occur in third world countries in rural farms where people and their animals are in close contact, sometimes even living together. I have never heard of a virus mutating and spreading to people in a large industrial feedlot.

29 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #18 Sharmuta

A bunch of pigs feeding at the trough. That's exactly what they are. Too bad PETA isn't trying to make that point. Maybe some tea party people can hijack it?

Shoot! I missed your post before I posted mine.

30 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #24 Shug

Murtha and Byrd have already claimed credit for the Pork

I thought Byrd is in charge of the barbecue because of all his experience burning crosses?

31 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:04:59am
32 redshirt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:10am
In a statement, PETA says it hopes to replicate the conditions that led to the spread of swine flu and convince Americans to become vegetarians.

And eat healthy food like alfalfa? No thanks!

33 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:14am

re: #27 Catttt

I can has pulled pork burger?

Mmmmmm... pulled pork. Ribs. Sausage.

/crap, it's lunch time!

34 CommonCents  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:19am

Are they going to do a mass exodus and ferry over the pigs from Egypt? Who will lead their people pigs out of Egypt?

35 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:21am

re: #27 Catttt

I can has pulled pork burger?

There's a White Castle at the Capitol?

36 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:25am

re: #27 Catttt

I can has pulled pork burger?

Capital Hill Hog Farm Products are not fit for human consumption.

37 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:26am

I have a cousin who had a pig farm. Having one in DC would be entertaining.

38 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:30am

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

There is a famous shot in the movie Woodstock, of airhead hippie Wavy Gravy, a member of the Hog Farm collective, saying dottily, "What we have in mind is breakfast in bed for 400,000 people."

Since that is basically the mindset that Congress and the President are operating under, I can't see how an actual hog farm on Capitol Hill will make the slightest difference.

Stay away from the brown acid.....oops....too late

39 Cato the Elder  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:56am

Am I wrong, or do pig farm conditions have nothing whatsoever to do with a mutated virus?

40 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:05:58am

If they do, I'm going to eat bacon sandwiches (or pork tacos from the little taqueria near my office) in front of them every day for lunch.

41 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:00am
42 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

There is a famous shot in the movie Woodstock, of airhead hippie Wavy Gravy, a member of the Hog Farm collective, saying dottily, "What we have in mind is breakfast in bed for 400,000 people."

STAY WAY FROM THE BROWN SAUSAGE PATTIES, which are not, specifically, too good.

43 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:48am

OT: another tidbit on the Dutch parade....
Dutch Queen Beatrix Unharmed as Crazed Man Slams Car into Crowd, Killing 4


A 38 year old man who had fallen on rough times, lost his job and was being evicted from his home today decided to target Queen Beatrix and the royal family by attempting to attack them with his car.
44 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:53am

re: #35 Sharmuta

There's a White Castle at the Capitol?

Red, Hot, and Blue

/turn off (or turn down) speakers before hitting link

45 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:54am

To tell the truth- PETA has a point. Nothing will swear you off pork faster than a whiff of a pig farm or a pork processing plant. Drove past a plant once and couldn't eat bacon for a year.

46 Land Shark  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:57am

Shit, Congress already is a pig farm. Look at how they dole out the "pork".

Are those PETA frauds still killing animals people gave them thinking they would care for them? They are ideological nut cases in addition to frauds. Screw those jagoffs.

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:06:57am

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People Eating Tasty Animals.

There. Wanted to beat everybody to it.

On a PETA thread, that joke should be treated like a "first".

48 gander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:12am

Wouldn't moving a bunch of hogs to the capitol for the purposes of political theater be cruel and exploitive? Not exactly the behavior PETA advocates. But that's OK. They're more enlightened than the rest of us.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:24am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

STAY WAY FROM THE BROWN SAUSAGE PATTIES, which are not, specifically, too good for you.

artistic license.

50 Radar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:25am

I can't help but think of Orwell...

Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are created equal.

51 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:26am

If these idiots would spend a little more time caring about dying people in Darfour, or about children being murdered by Hamas rockets in Israel they would be doing a lot more good.
Besides, the piggy odor is probably more pleasant than the stink wafting from the politicians right next door.

52 Rancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:29am

re: #39 Cato the Elder

Am I wrong, or do pig farm conditions have nothing whatsoever to do with a mutated virus?

You are correct. See my #28

53 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #39 Cato the Elder

Am I wrong, or do pig farm conditions have nothing whatsoever to do with a mutated virus?

You are not wrong, but PETA doesn't let reality stand in their way.

54 Ojoe  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:49am

Bean flu.

55 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:07:59am

re: #39 Cato the Elder

Am I wrong, or do pig farm conditions have nothing whatsoever to do with a mutated virus?

I don't know, but farming and slaughterhouse conditions exposed by PETA and other groups, makes you wonder why we don't have a whole host of bacterial/viral issues on a continuous basis.

56 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:08:12am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: another tidbit on the Dutch parade....
Dutch Queen Beatrix Unharmed as Crazed Man Slams Car into Crowd, Killing 4

He only had a Suzuki Swift, which limited his ability to be able to get to the bus. If he'd had something like a Hummer H2...

57 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:08:21am

re: #45 Sharmuta

To tell the truth- PETA has a point. Nothing will swear you off pork faster than a whiff of a pig farm or a pork processing plant. Drove past a plant once and couldn't eat bacon for a year.

My step-brother lives in Germany. The local farmers fertilize their crops with pig crap. I have been unfortunate enough to be there in the summer, where that's all you can smell outside.

58 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:08:29am

re: #45 Sharmuta

To tell the truth- PETA has a point. Nothing will swear you off pork faster than a whiff of a pig farm or a pork processing plant. Drove past a plant once and couldn't eat bacon for a year.

Those that respect the law and love sausage should watch neither being made -- Mark Twain

59 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:08:38am

re: #28 Rancher

where people and their animals are in close contact, sometimes even living together.

My personal life is none of your damn business!

60 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:08:42am

Congress will deny the application.
Congress can't tolerate competition.

/besides, on a windy day, you can already smell the Capitol clear over in Delaware

61 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:09:01am

I think the idea is a clever way to illustrate what is happening.
Next they can put up a poultry processing display next to a Planned Parenthood Clinic.........'cause, ya know, all animals are equal...........

62 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:09:06am

re: #50 Radar

I can't help but think of Orwell...

Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are created equal.

But some are more equal than others.

/i had to read that in ninth grade english

63 Rexatosis  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:09:30am

Of PETA, pigs, and politicians I'll take the pigs: Their cleaner, more intelligent, and taste great with Lettuce, Tomato, Mayo, on Whole Grain Wheat Toast. mmmm, lunch.

64 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:10:13am
65 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:10:25am

re: #63 Rexatosis

Of PETA, pigs, and politicians I'll take the pigs: Their cleaner, more intelligent, and taste great with Lettuce, Tomato, Mayo, on Whole Grain Wheat Toast. mmmm, lunch.

They are indeed a "wonderful, magical animal", in the immortal words of Homer Simpson.

66 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:10:32am

Charles, can you please clarify why you are in favor of this?

67 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:10:55am

re: #50 Radar

I can't help but think of Orwell...

Haven't you heard? "Four legs, good. Two legs, O-BAAAAAAA-ma!

68 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:10:58am

Morning all! I know we need to take certain Wiki articles with a grain of salt, but this one does define the virus:

The 2009 flu outbreak in humans that is widely known as "swine flu" technically is not swine flu. It is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that derives from one strain of human influenza, one strain of avian influenza, and two separate strains of swine influenza. The origins of this new strain are unknown, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) reports that this strain has not been isolated in swine.[3] It passes with apparent ease from human to human, an ability attributed to an as-yet unidentified mutation.[4] The strain in most cases causes only mild symptoms and the infected person makes a full recovery without requiring medical attention and without the use of antiviral medicines.[5]

I always sucked at science, but it seems like the PETA protest kind of oversimplifies the virus and how it is actually constructed. While the swine influenza is present, so is a strain of avian and a strain of human influenza as well.

69 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:06am

re: #2 Nevergiveup

And a pig farm on Capital Hill would be different from what we have now just how?

The smell would be real, not mental. But other than that, no difference.

70 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:24am

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

I bet they didn't explain all of the parallels to Lenin, Trotsky, et. al.

Speaking for my own (public school) 9th grade English class... sure they did. I think it would be kind of hard to assign the book without going into that.

71 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:29am

After they are done with the hogs, I'll be setting up a smoker at the Capitol. Feel free to swing by!

72 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:38am

I hear that a separate trough has been reserved for John Mutha.

73 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #45 Sharmuta

To tell the truth- PETA has a point. Nothing will swear you off pork faster than a whiff of a pig farm or a pork processing plant. Drove past a plant once and couldn't eat bacon for a year.

It does? Never stopped me. We had a rendering plant for years in town, and the smell could be unbelievable, but I still eat ham, pork, and bacon today.

74 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

I assumed it was the pork reference.

75 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:12:01am

re: #65 Occasional Reader

I recently cured and smoked (in my smoker, not in a pipe!) pork belly to make bacon. Turned out great.

76 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

I bet they didn't explain all of the parallels to Lenin, Trotsky, et. al.

Oh yeah, they did. But this was in the '70s, before the socialists took over all the schools.

77 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:12:22am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

My personal life is none of your damn business!

I hope there is no cat flu. I am a cat magnet. /

78 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:12:30am
79 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:12:33am

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

It does? Never stopped me. We had a rendering plant for years in town, and the smell could be unbelievable, but I still eat ham, pork, and bacon today.

Same here. I've smelt it. So, food good, PETA bad.

80 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:06am

re: #76 Ward Cleaver

Oh yeah, they did. But this was in the '70s, before the socialists took over all the schools.

Now it's taught as a parable about global warming.

///

81 wonk-a-donk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:16am

Out back by the vegetable garden and swing set would be prime real estate. Can feed them the left overs from the Obama kitchen. We can also start a new WH tradition, Hawaiian roast pig luau style...

82 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:20am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I assumed it was the pork reference.

Go to the last thread if you can, and give me your two cents about last night. I'll check in a few minutes.

83 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:25am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

My guess is he finds the pig farm a proper symbol of the PORK flowing out of the Capital, not because pig farms are like concentration camps for the poor animals (PETA view).

84 Radar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:25am

re: #68 subsailor68
I always sucked at science, but it seems like the PETA protest kind of oversimplifies the virus and how it is actually constructed. While the swine influenza is present, so is a strain of avian and a strain of human influenza as well.

Your first mistake was assuming PETA somehow follows some kind of logic, scientific or otherwise, in ANYTHING they do.

85 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:13:42am

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

It does? Never stopped me. We had a rendering plant for years in town, and the smell could be unbelievable, but I still eat ham, pork, and bacon today.

It's not still there?!?

86 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:14:14am

In many ways, I'd rather have a pig farm on the Mall rather than the porkopolis we have there anchoring the eastern end of it. At least you can eat this pork.

87 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:14:16am

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

It does? Never stopped me. We had a rendering plant for years in town, and the smell could be unbelievable, but I still eat ham, pork, and bacon today.

The town I live in used to have a small rendering plant (Griffin By-Products) that made ingredients for dog food. Oh man, that smell, when the wind blew from the south (which it does almost all the time)...

88 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:14:25am

I'm suddenly hungry for spicy pulled pork on PETA bread.

89 cliffster  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:14:48am

I cringe anytime PETA does anything public. They do more to harm the cause of animal rights than they could ever have done to help it.

90 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:06am

re: #45 Sharmuta

To tell the truth- PETA has a point. Nothing will swear you off pork faster than a whiff of a pig farm or a pork processing plant. Drove past a plant once and couldn't eat bacon for a year.

Doesn't work on me (stink factor, gross factor, etc.).

Related - I toured a pulp mill once and still use paper.

91 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #85 wrenchwench

It's not still there?!?

I don't know if it is still there. I moved a bit north and west of it, so I no longer can smell it when the wind is right.

92 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:25am

re: #88 Occasional Reader

I'm suddenly hungry for spicy pulled pork on PETA bread.

You have a rye sense of humor.

93 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

The town I live in used to have a small rendering plant (Griffin By-Products) that made ingredients for dog food. Oh man, that smell, when the wind blew from the south (which it does almost all the time)...

I live in Golden, Colorado, Coors smells like shit when they have a brew going. I don't drink anymore, but that never stopped my from drinking. (But never Coors, period).

94 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:36am

re: #90 Catttt

Doesn't work on me (stink factor, gross factor, etc.).

Related - I toured a pulp mill once and still use paper.

LOL!

95 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:37am

re: #72 Darwin Akbar

I hear that a separate trough has been reserved for John Mutha.

he would be herded into the pig pen.
if he wants to avoid that he will have to wear a sign:
i am not a pig, tho i look and act like one.

96 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:38am

re: #84 Radar

LOL! Good point!

97 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:38am

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

The town I live in used to have a small rendering plant (Griffin By-Products) that made ingredients for dog food. Oh man, that smell, when the wind blew from the south (which it does almost all the time)...

Once you get used to the smell of rendered hog fat, you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
/Realtor on The Simpsons

98 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:15:57am

re: #90 Catttt

Doesn't work on me (stink factor, gross factor, etc.).

Related - I toured a pulp mill once and still use paper.

I lived in a city with a brewery (Edinburgh), but still drink beer!

99 Macker  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:00am

re: #62 Ward Cleaver

Ape must never kill Ape....

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:01am

re: #85 wrenchwench

I don't think they're in towns anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.

101 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:14am

PETA doesn't get it. This is how swine flu spreads.

102 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Now it's taught as a parable about global warming.

///

The part where they buried the hams? That cracked me up.

103 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:37am
104 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #90 Catttt

Doesn't work on me (stink factor, gross factor, etc.).

Related - I toured a pulp mill once and still use paper.

Just because you run a funeral home doesn't mean you don't date living people.

105 Occasional Reader  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #92 Mad Al-Jaffee

You have a rye sense of humor.

Thank you. But now I have to mustard my forces, and head to lunch. Later.

106 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:43am

PETA Thread!
Peta threads always make me hungry....

107 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:52am

re: #90 Catttt

Doesn't work on me (stink factor, gross factor, etc.).

Related - I toured a pulp mill once and still use paper.

Somethings are just rather smelly and a bit disgusting to process. There's always worse. Ever been to a malfunctioning waste water treatment plant? In August?

108 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:55am

I'm more concerned now with the pollen in the air and how it's making me feel. I really need some Zyrtec.

109 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

I live in Golden, Colorado, Coors smells like shit when they have a brew going. I don't drink anymore, but that never stopped my from drinking. (But never Coors, period).

Bathtub beer!

/or bearwhiz beer

110 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:17:15am

I'm surprised PETA hasn't come up with another name for pigs and pork, like they did with "sea kittens".

Meanwhile, I'll suggest People Eating Tasty Animals refer to fish as "the other other white meat" (except for salmon, which is "the other other red meat").

111 Macker  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:17:28am

I wonder when Code Pink will join in with those PETA forces?

112 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:17:29am

re: #108 Mad Al-Jaffee

More concerned about that than swine flu.

PIMF.

113 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:17:44am

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

Pumpernickel or two to the guy at your local sandwich shop, and he'll be glad to make you one.

Dine in or carraway?

114 Gearhead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:17:51am

Somehow this is going to end up never going away and we as taxpayers will have to foot the bill.

115 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:06am

Another related - anyone remember when the Dixie Brewery was just kattycorner to Jackson Square in New Orleans? Stinky.

Baltimore used to have the McCormack spice factory downtown (it is in the burbs now). Smelled so nice.

There is another spice factory near my company site. Sometimes it smells good - peppery. Sometimes, when they are making extracts, not so much.

116 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #102 Ward Cleaver

The part where they buried the hams? That cracked me up.

A complete waste of a good Christmas dinner.

117 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:29am

re: #113 redstateredneck

Dine in or carraway?

Wheat are you talking about?

118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:37am

I'm a member of Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment; MEAT for short.
/Futurama

119 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:18:56am

re: #116 Honorary Yooper

A complete waste of a good Christmas dinner.

Damn right.

120 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:02am

From Futurama:

Protester: We're Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment!

Leila: You're vegetarians. Who cares what you do?

[ed note: no offense to FBV]

121 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:11am

Charles - is LGF compatible with IE -8? When I typed on the DT, I could type an entire 20 word sentence and not see what I had typed until I stopped typing - although this comment is working pretty well.

122 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:14am

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

I'm surprised PETA hasn't come up with another name for pigs and pork, like they did with "sea kittens".

Meanwhile, I'll suggest People Eating Tasty Animals refer to fish as "the other other white meat" (except for salmon, which is "the other other red meat").

Farmyard vacuums?

123 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:20am

re: #109 Ward Cleaver

Bathtub beer!

/or bearwhiz beer

Bear Whiz beer. It's in the water. That's why it's yellow.

124 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:22am

But Obama said that he wasn't going to allow pork in Washington anymore.
/

Good Afternoon Lizards!

125 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:33am

re: #45 Sharmuta

To tell the truth- PETA has a point. Nothing will swear you off pork faster than a whiff of a pig farm or a pork processing plant. Drove past a plant once and couldn't eat bacon for a year.

I swore off any veal years ago after reading about how veal calves are raised. I'm no vegetarian, but some things are just wrong.

126 Radar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:35am

re: #115 Catttt
I live near a chocolate factory have yet to smell a bad odor from that place. Always smells amazing when the wind is right.

127 Sharmuta  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:37am

re: #118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

GMTA

128 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:19:51am

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

I'm surprised PETA hasn't come up with another name for pigs and pork, like they did with "sea kittens".

Meanwhile, I'll suggest People Eating Tasty Animals refer to fish as "the other other white meat" (except for salmon, which is "the other other red meat").

They could suggest that it is cannibalism for the Senators and Representatives to eat pig products.

129 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

I thought it was another really good episode. They're really moving the story along. It the past some episodes were simply filler, the story really didn't advance much. I was really disappointed that they replaced the actress who played the young hot version of Faraday's mom. The new version isn't so hot. I think Faraday's plan to detonate the bomb is going to be a little predictable. I think he's not going to prevent the accident at the Orchid station he's going to cause it. Other that that it was a really good episode.

130 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:27am

re: #94 Sharmuta

LOL!

The thing this makes me think of is that touring a pulp mill is a typical fun activity we did on vacation when I was a kid. I wonder if kids today would willingly tour a pulp factory. :D

We also did Disneyland, etc., but I thought the pulp factory was fun. I remember thinking falling into the various machines would be a bad idea. :D

131 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:32am

The worst smell in the world is inside a cheese factory..spoiled milk..yummy

132 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:34am

I imagine that most metro areas have zoning laws that would prevent land use for a pig farm, or any approximation thereof as a temporary exhibit, and that DC would not be an exception.

133 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:35am

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow

Bear Whiz beer. It's in the water. That's why it's yellow.

[Video]

Yes, I remember that. Thanks for the linky.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:44am

Insert "Professional Courtesy" joke here.

135 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:51am

re: #126 Radar

Mmmmmmm, the land of chocolate.

136 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:20:53am

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think they're in towns anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.

That particular one I have visited. Was a long time ago, I don't remember how close to town it was. Sure smelled bad, but everyone who worked there was certainly an enthusiastic meat eater.

137 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:00am

re: #115 Catttt

Another related - anyone remember when the Dixie Brewery was just kattycorner to Jackson Square in New Orleans? Stinky.

Baltimore used to have the McCormack spice factory downtown (it is in the burbs now). Smelled so nice.

There is another spice factory near my company site. Sometimes it smells good - peppery. Sometimes, when they are making extracts, not so much.

There used to be a Wonder Bread bakery in Natick. It smelled very good (much better than the bread tasted), but they were releasing too much pollution - the volatile organic chemicals that made up the nice baking smell!
(Wonder Bread - I wonder, is this really bread, or foam rubber?)

138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:01am

re: #117 Mad Al-Jaffee

Wheat are you talking about?

It's a Wonder that this pun thread has gotten this far.

139 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:13am

re: #115 Catttt

Another related - anyone remember when the Dixie Brewery was just kattycorner to Jackson Square in New Orleans? Stinky.

Baltimore used to have the McCormack spice factory downtown (it is in the burbs now). Smelled so nice.

There is another spice factory near my company site. Sometimes it smells good - peppery. Sometimes, when they are making extracts, not so much.

What smells really good is the McIlhenny Tabasco plant.
Yum.

140 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:23am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Just because you run a funeral home doesn't mean you don't date living people.

Watches Walter's point as it flies over her head. :D

141 big steve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:28am

pigs to Washington....that is the definition of "coals to Newcastle"

142 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:32am

It is a telling sign of our affluence and tolerance that groups like this are indulged. I'll bet the irony is lost on all those who think we're one step away from having become a police state under Bush.

143 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #126 Radar

I live near a chocolate factory have yet to smell a bad odor from that place. Always smells amazing when the wind is right.

Oh, man. That would kill me. I would end up looking like FBV.

144 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:21:58am

re: #50 Radar

Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.

What, don't you count snakes as friends? //

145 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:06am

re: #89 cliffster

I cringe anytime PETA does anything public. They do more to harm the cause of animal rights than they could ever have done to help it.

Actually, they've done some quite good things. Their exposure of "Downed Animals" in slaughter yards brought about some much needed legislation, ditto their work exposing veal production practices and chicken farms.

People think they may go to ridiculous extremes sometimes, but there is the old addage that you can judge a society by how it treats its animals.

146 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:09am

re: #115 Catttt

Another related - anyone remember when the Dixie Brewery was just kattycorner to Jackson Square in New Orleans? Stinky.

Baltimore used to have the McCormack spice factory downtown (it is in the burbs now). Smelled so nice.

There is another spice factory near my company site. Sometimes it smells good - peppery. Sometimes, when they are making extracts, not so much.

My first job out of high school was an office job at a plant where they made flavorings and extracts. Vanilla day was nice, other days not so much.

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:18am

Charles? Why do you support this? What is your reason?

148 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:30am

re: #139 reine.de.tout

What smells really good is the McIlhenny Tabasco plant.
Yum.

The company I work for use to haul that cayenne mash. It will eat the inside out of a stainless steel tank trailer, though!

149 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:38am

Talk about a no-win situation. If he says "yes" he looks like a member of the loony left. If he says "no" the loony right and nirthers will use it as "further evidence" that he is a closet Muslim.

My advice to the POTUS--say "yes" provided you set up a slaughter pen and smokehouse.

150 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:22:39am
151 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:00am

re: #132 abolitionist

I imagine that most metro areas have zoning laws that would prevent land use for a pig farm, or any approximation thereof as a temporary exhibit, and that DC would not be an exception.

There are towns in Massachusetts where there have been farms for a long time. Then more people move in, and don't like the smells; they sue the farmers.

152 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:00am

re: #146 doppelganglander

My first job out of high school was an office job at a plant where they made flavorings and extracts. Vanilla day was nice, other days not so much.

Vanilla is nice. Strawberry is "drive fast and get away."

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:03am

re: #143 Ford_Prefect

Oh, man. That would kill me. I would end up looking like FBV.

Men would fear you? Women would want you?

What's wrong with that?

154 MikeAlv77  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:05am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

My personal life is none of your damn business!

Careful, we wouldn't want to get into legislating morality....

155 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:08am

re: #131 HoosierHoops

The worst smell in the world is inside a cheese factory..spoiled milk..yummy

No--go to where they make corn syrup. It really reeks.

156 vapig  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:09am

This should be called the Mexican Flu due to it's origination (i.e. Hong Kong Flu, Asian Flu, etc...).

157 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:15am

I would say the current White House is already a pig farm.

158 Radar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #143 Ford_Prefect

haha, it does me in sometimes too. My wife, probably more so, as she loves the stuff. It always seems to make me eat too many cookies with my coffee after dinner, especially on the evenings in the Fall when I come home and smell that on the way into the house for dinner...

159 big steve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I thought it was another really good episode. They're really moving the story along. It the past some episodes were simply filler, the story really didn't advance much. I was really disappointed that they replaced the actress who played the young hot version of Faraday's mom. The new version isn't so hot. I think Faraday's plan to detonate the bomb is going to be a little predictable. I think he's not going to prevent the accident at the Orchid station he's going to cause it. Other that that it was a really good episode.


I missed Lost last night.....is the episode going to be reshown later this week?

160 Cheesehead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #131 HoosierHoops

The worst smell in the world is inside a cheese factory..spoiled milk..yummy

I resemble that remark. Off with your curd you cad!

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:43am

re: #149 calcajun

Talk about a no-win situation. If he says "yes" he looks like a member of the loony left. If he says "no" the loony right and nirthers will use it as "further evidence" that he is a closet Muslim.

My advice to the POTUS--say "yes" provided you set up a slaughter pen and smokehouse.

Poor Keith Ellison. What would he do?

162 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:53am

re: #146 doppelganglander

I just checked the scrabble board. Nice play, lady!

163 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Why do you support this? What is your reason?

I'm guessing the irony/entertainment factor and chaos theory. :D

164 jwb7605  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:24:04am
165 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:24:12am

re: #131 HoosierHoops Hey Hoops! Hope you're well today! You should have an e-mail from me this morning!

166 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:24:19am

re: #162 redstateredneck

I just checked the scrabble board. Nice play, lady!

Thank you! My first Bingo!

167 Catttt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:24:23am

Kriminy. I need to work. Later!

168 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #126 Radar

I live near a chocolate factory have yet to smell a bad odor from that place. Always smells amazing when the wind is right.

Sounds nice--except you'd have that damned "Willy Wonka" theme constantly playing in your head.

169 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Poor Keith Ellison. What would he do?

Not shake hands.

170 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:06am

re: #155 calcajun

No--go to where they make corn syrup. It really reeks.

I wonder how bad a Kimche plant smells? No, I don't want to find out.

171 LGoPs  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:10am

BBL

172 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:13am

re: #168 calcajun

Sounds nice--except you'd have that damned "Willy Wonka" theme constantly playing in your head.

And them creepy little orange fellers following you around.

173 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:18am

OK, OT. I asked this question yesterday, but no one had an answer. Does anyone have the Kindle2 and what is your review?

174 Baier  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:20am

PETA also believes eating honey is cruel to bees. I wonder if they read Winnie the Pooh to their children.

175 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:22am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I thought it was another really good episode. They're really moving the story along. It the past some episodes were simply filler, the story really didn't advance much. I was really disappointed that they replaced the actress who played the young hot version of Faraday's mom. The new version isn't so hot. I think Faraday's plan to detonate the bomb is going to be a little predictable. I think he's not going to prevent the accident at the Orchid station he's going to cause it. Other that that it was a really good episode.

Er, Killgore, in this episode, Ellie was now about 24 years older, since you first saw her in 1954, and we are in 1977. Couldn't very well use the same young actress.

Well, they have now set up both sides of the equation, destiny or free-will, and given us rules for both, let's see who wins.

The final episode of the season, 2 hours long, is called "The Incident." If you remember in season two, the "incident" was mentioned on the blast door map in the Swan station.

One again, the producers/writers knew where they were going plot wise a long time ago.

176 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:23am

A biological attack on the U.S. Capitol announced in advance as a PR stunt! Brilliant!

177 debutaunt  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:54am

re: #115 Catttt

Another related - anyone remember when the Dixie Brewery was just cattttycorner to Jackson Square in New Orleans? Stinky.

Baltimore used to have the McCormack spice factory downtown (it is in the burbs now). Smelled so nice.

There is another spice factory near my company site. Sometimes it smells good - peppery. Sometimes, when they are making extracts, not so much.

PIYF '

178 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

I live downwind of the Nabisco plant in NJ where they make animal crackers. The smell when they're baking is just delicious. Of course, the ammonia that goes out with it a pollutant, so it's considered one of the top polluters in the state.

179 WriterMom  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:02am

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Look at the ingredient list. If it doesn't list flour first-it ain't bread.

180 DaddyG  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:10am

I can see where this would be an effective protest. The smell of Patchouli and ripe Birkenstocks would be so terrible that congress would have to shut down. And exposing the poor pigs to that too, how is that ethical treatment? /

181 Radar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:14am

re: #168 calcajun

lol, nah it fades after the first year. The Oompa Loompa Union (Local 666) is pretty strong in this town though.

But man, this thread has made me hungry...lunchtime!

182 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:15am
183 Gearhead  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:15am

Actually if they situate the pigs in just the right spots, it might prove to be a useful countermeasure against would-be terrorists.

/

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:16am

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

I bet they didn't explain all of the parallels to Lenin, Trotsky, et. al.

I did, in part, when I taught it. They didn't have a lot of the background, and I couldn't stop to do more than a very short history of the USSR, but I had to give them something.

185 realwest  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:19am

Well I'm outta here folks - gotta figure out some way to uninstall IE 8 and go back to IE 7.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

186 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:22am

re: #113 redstateredneck

Dine in or carraway?

I have to ketchup with the bread puns.

187 StillAMarine  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:25am

I can assure you, a huge pig farm on the Ellipse would do a hell of a lot less damage in a year than that pack of porcine poltroons in Congress do in a week.
At least it would feed people rather than feed politicians.

188 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:26am

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Men would fear you? Women would want you?

What's wrong with that?

Nothing at all FBV. In fact I would say that I am truly half the man you are. :)

189 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:28am

re: #170 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder how bad a Kimche plant smells? No, I don't want to find out.

I had forgotten about that trip in Korea to the countryside. What a most fascinating smell it was.

190 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:28am

Re: PETA. I find it really a bit anti-science and anti-evolution for them to keep calling for humans to stop eating meat. We evolved to from dim-witted leaf-eaters with huge guts (for the intestines) to intelligent omnivores who eat both animal and plant products. Early homonds traded off that large gut for a large brain. Odd that PETA can't use their intelligence to figure that out.

191 Kragar  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:33am

I think that PETA is forgetting the most important fact here.

Pork is delicious

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:26:46am

What do you get when you cross a Congressperson and a pig?

Nothing. There are some things a pig just won't do.

193 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:01am

re: #173 Ford_Prefect

OK, OT. I asked this question yesterday, but no one had an answer. Does anyone have the Kindle2 and what is your review?

Charles has it and loves it. You could probably search for the post in which he discussed it. I don't have one, but my friend does, and I covet it mightily.

194 aggieann  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Farmyard vacuums?

Muck puppies?

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:18am

re: #178 lawhawk

I wish I could eat animal crackers.

Sigh.

BBL!

196 dry_heavz_4_alla  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:25am

It'd be cool if about 1000 protesters hijacked the event carrying "No More Porkulus" signs.

197 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:29am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Farmyard vacuums?

Lobbyists.

198 Raiderdan  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:38am

You can't just bring a pork-farm to Capitol Hill.

You have to be ELECTED first.

Silly PETA....

199 MikeAlv77  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #151 Kosh's Shadow

There are towns in Massachusetts where there have been farms for a long time. Then more people move in, and don't like the smells; they sue the farmers.

There is a corallary around her in Eastern PA... Airports that have been there for 60 years... people move in and complain that they hear airplanes flying over thier house.. Ya think ya might hear an airplane NEAR AN AIRPORT!

200 jcm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Why do you support this? What is your reason?

More hog farms.
More ham, pork, bacon, short ribs.... what's not to support?

201 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:43am

re: #170 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder how bad a Kimche plant smells? No, I don't want to find out.

I know it sounds weird, but I worked in a seafood shop when I was a kid--and that smell still takes me back. It's a good kinda stink.

202 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:47am

Hmmm. Maybe they should make it a sausage factory instead, to show Congress how it's done! ;-)

203 ointmentfly  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:49am

It'll smell like a room full of vegans!

204 capitalist piglet  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:03am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Why do you support this? What is your reason?

I wouldn't attempt to answer for Charles, but for myself, I find it amusing that for once these obnoxious people are targeting someone besides regular people on the street. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll throw paint on Nancy Pelosi's D&G handbag for a change.

205 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #197 Cygnus

Lobbyists.

LOL

206 cliffster  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #145 Russkilitlover

Actually, they've done some quite good things. Their exposure of "Downed Animals" in slaughter yards brought about some much needed legislation, ditto their work exposing veal production practices and chicken farms.

People think they may go to ridiculous extremes sometimes, but there is the old addage that you can judge a society by how it treats its animals.

Sure. But I'm saying they do so much harm to the cause, it undoes the good they've done and then some. There are lots of people who feel strongly about treating animals well. PETA paints a picture of these people being lunatics

PETA's antics make people not take animal rights seriously.

207 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:26am

i actually don't mind the odor from a small pig farm as i drive down a country road.
i also find skunk an intriguing odor.
of course my favorite fragrance is rose and lily of the valley.
and fresh buttered pop corn and new red keds out of the shoe box.
clothes dried outside, dirt after a rain, and apple pie in the oven.

208 rightside  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:26am

re: #4 Sharmuta

or just plain "congress"

209 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:38am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Why do you support this? What is your reason?

The irony (which will be completely lost on PETA) of Pork = Washington.

210 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:28:43am

Trafe. It's what's for supper.

-PETA

211 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:29:02am

re: #200 jcm

More hog farms.
More ham, pork, bacon, short ribs.... what's not to support?

Right, JCM, a magical animal that makes ham, pork and bacon.

212 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #178 lawhawk

I live downwind of the Nabisco plant in NJ where they make animal crackers.

I wonder if vegetarians feel guilty when they eat animal crackers.

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:29:52am

re: #212 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder if vegetarians feel guilty when they eat animal crackers.

See my #195!

214 Spider Mensch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:29:58am

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Men would fear you? Women would want you?

What's wrong with that?

heh.. time for a Honeymooners quote...
Ralph : "Listen Alice, there were plenty of girls interested in me before you came along! They used to be all around me when I went to the beach!"
Alice: " sure! sure they were Ralph, but they didn't gather around you because they liked you...they just wanted to sit in the shade for awhile."

215 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:30:01am

re: #193 doppelganglander

Charles has it and loves it. You could probably search for the post in which he discussed it. I don't have one, but my friend does, and I covet it mightily.

I covet it as well. I was hoping for a purely unbiased review. No offense Charles, but they advertise with you so I have to take that into consideration. It is a lot of money to invest and I would like to get some impartial feedback.

216 marge45b  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:30:24am

Hey PETA bring on that Bacon and Sausage links! MMMMM! GOOD!

217 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:30:33am

re: #178 lawhawk

I live downwind of the Nabisco plant in NJ where they make animal crackers. The smell when they're baking is just delicious. Of course, the ammonia that goes out with it a pollutant, so it's considered one of the top polluters in the state.

The one in Sayreville? I worked there as an office temp in the '80s. I also temped at General Foods. I think if I'd kept either of those jobs, I would now weigh about 250 lbs.

218 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:30:42am

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Poor Keith Ellison. What would he do?

Convert?

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:30:46am

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Poor Keith Ellison. What would he do?

Breathe shallowly. He and Lieberman.

220 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:31:00am

re: #185 realwest

I think Microsoft made available in the last 2 months or so some sort of tool that would allow IE8 to be uninstalled. IIRC, when IE8 was first made available, uninstalling was not an option.

221 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:31:24am

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Breathe shallowly. He and Lieberman.

Just tell Lieberman it's "white" meat. Just like in Israel.

222 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:31:36am

re: #196 dry_heavz_4_alla

It'd be cool if about 1000 protesters hijacked the event carrying "No More Porkulus" signs.

There ya go! That's a genius idea.
/Killgore won't approve.

223 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:31:50am

re: #193 doppelganglander

Charles has it and loves it. You could probably search for the post in which he discussed it. I don't have one, but my friend does, and I covet it mightily.


reine has a kindle. I don't know if it's a kindleII or not.

224 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:32:00am

re: #204 capitalist piglet

I wouldn't attempt to answer for Charles, but for myself, I find it amusing that for once these obnoxious people are targeting someone besides regular people on the street. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll throw paint on Nancy Pelosi's D&G handbag for a change.

I don't like'em either. I can't take my shirt off in public without some crazed PETA-type throwing paint on me and screaming "fur is murder."

225 schteve  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:32:11am

Congressional reaction: Woot! Another trough to feed from!

226 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #215 Ford_Prefect

I covet it as well. I was hoping for a purely unbiased review. No offense Charles, but they advertise with you so I have to take that into consideration. It is a lot of money to invest and I would like to get some impartial feedback.

I think you could trust Charles' opinion. Here it is: Kindle 2 Review

227 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:32:24am

Animal husbandry. What PETA does?

228 calcajun  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:33:18am

re: #225 schteve

Congressional reaction: Woot! Another trough to feed from!

No--jealousy. It's a trough out of which they can't feed.

229 ointmentfly  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:33:47am

re: #225 schteve
Not Harry Reid.... He'll ask the stinky tourists to move on....

230 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:33:51am

Is this a non-kosher thread? (no offense intended)

231 Maltboy!  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:34:18am

re: #2 Nevergiveup

And a pig farm on Capital Hill would be different from what we have now just how?

Regardless of the outcome, Obama couldn't lead flies to either one.

232 doppelganglander  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:34:46am

re: #223 redstateredneck

reine has a kindle. I don't know if it's a kindleII or not.

Nice. I thought about getting a used Kindle 1, but the Kindle 2 seems so much nicer and easier to use, I think I'll wait. I can't justify spending the money right now, either way. And I still have a LOT of real books I need to read before I buy any more.

233 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:34:55am

re: #226 doppelganglander

I think you could trust Charles' opinion. Here it is: Kindle 2 Review

Thanks, I'll check it out.

234 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:35:27am

re: #121 realwest

Charles - is LGF compatible with IE -8? When I typed on the DT, I could type an entire 20 word sentence and not see what I had typed until I stopped typing - although this comment is working pretty well.

realwest -

Seems to be for me, Have IE8 on both laptop and desktop, and have played with them on LGF - no problem at all, though I still prefer FireFox.

-S-

235 mattm  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:35:34am

The pigs would make more sense then the morons we have running around their today.

236 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:36:33am

re: #227 quickjustice

Animal husbandry. What PETA does?

They must have a large membership in Enumclaw, WA then.

237 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:36:37am

re: #159 big steve

If you go to the Lost Web Page you can watch it online.

238 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:36:43am

re: #225 schteve

Congressional reaction: Woot! Another trough to feed from!

New thread! Woot! Another trough to feed from....... ------->

239 redstateredneck  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:37:47am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

If you go to the Lost Web Page you can watch it online.


I watch on abc.com. All the previous seasons are there, as well.

240 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:37:58am

It's inhumane. The hogs will starve to death. Every time PETA slops them, the members of Congress will shove them aside to consume all of the slop first!

241 Rancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:38:30am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

My personal life is none of your damn business!

That's what I told my mechanic when he said I blew a seal.

242 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:38:49am

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Breathe shallowly. He and Lieberman.

Eating pigs is forbidden to Jews, and touching a dead pig causes ritual impurity. That is, after coming in contact with a dead pig, a Jew is forbidden from going to the Temple and giving a sacrifice, or having any of the meat of a sacrificed animal.
Immersion in a mikveh (ritual bath) and at sunset, the impurity is gone.
However, since there is no temple right now, it isn't much of a problem.
(Once the Temple is rebuilt, though, the bigger problem is that it takes seven days and sprinkling with water mixed with several items, including the ashes of a red heifer, to remove impurity from contact with a human corpse (including being in the same room as one, or being in a cemetery.) We don't have the necessary ashes, so all Jews, except for Cohanim who have observed all the laws scrupulously.
But that is why religious Jews find it important whenever a red cow is born. All have developed other color hairs, though.

243 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:38:52am
244 Macker  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:39:30am

re: #121 realwest

With all due respect...why do you torture yourself?

245 BillLangston  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #28 Rancher

Rancher, although I am very slightly off the main point of this topic, I agree with you. Furthermore, the naming is this latest virus as 'Swine Flu' is wrong and has done nothing but hurt pig farmers who have been in a really tight squeeze this last decade. There are *no* sick pigs from this virus!

Yours,
Bill

246 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:42:12am

re: #241 Rancher

That's what I told my mechanic when he said I blew a seal.

Was that your Barracuda, or a rented Sting Ray?

247 irish rose  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:42:59am

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

It does? Never stopped me. We had a rendering plant for years in town, and the smell could be unbelievable, but I still eat ham, pork, and bacon today.

I spent a good portion of my summer down-time on my uncles' dairy farm, helping with the twice daily milking and general farm work and bringing in the hay come late summer (yes I can drive a Farmall tractor and milk a cow by hand, thanks very much).

A family friend owned a pig farm a little less than a mile away, and I stayed there frequently as a guest. They had a daughter my age, and we were very good friends. And I can well recall the stench of the barns, you never forget that odor.

A few years ago, I paid a visit to the swine farm down at MSU.... and found the same piggy smell that I remember from my youth.

Do I still like fried pork chops, baked ham and BBQ spare ribs? Hell yeah!

Pigs are very clean and intelligent animals, btw. They never lay their dung near their living and eating quarters, if they can help it at all... the only one of the common farm animals that doesn't. And they roll in the mud to discourage parasites.

Swine Flu: Don't Blame the Pig

248 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:44:36am

re: #173 Ford_Prefect

OK, OT. I asked this question yesterday, but no one had an answer. Does anyone have the Kindle2 and what is your review?

Ford Prefect - I have the Kindle2. I love it. Easy to use. Battery lasts forever if you turn off the "whispernet" which you really don't need anyhow, unless you've ordered something and want to download it.

Easy to take with me when I walk the dog, or just take a walk or work out on the elliptical at the gym.

Best feature - when I finish one book, THE NEXT ONE is right there, ready for me to get started on it. No having to wait to get home to get the next book, etc.

Only down-side is that not everything I want to read is available in a Kindle version. Yet. I suspect that will change.

249 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:44:53am

I was getting my hair cut last night and the guy in the chair next to me, getting his cut, was talking to the barbers about swine flu. He said something like, "I'm not eating pork anymore." I had to explain to him that it's a virus, transmitted from person to person and has nothing to do with meat. I'm pretty sure he was a college student.

250 Scorch  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:46:37am

Actually pigs are some of the cleaner animals and are well cared for on most hog operations. Now take a few hundred humans and give them no sanitation and keep them caged up for a week (since peta thinks hogs are not kept clean) and see what kind of stench you get out of that.

251 Rancher  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:46:52am

re: #245 BillLangston

Rancher, although I am very slightly off the main point of this topic, I agree with you. Furthermore, the naming is this latest virus as 'Swine Flu' is wrong and has done nothing but hurt pig farmers who have been in a really tight squeeze this last decade. There are *no* sick pigs from this virus!

Yours,
Bill


Doesn't help that Russia has used it as an excuse to ban all meat imports from the US.

252 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:48:55am

Q: What does a sick pig take?
A: Oinkment.

Q: What would you call a crafty pig?
A: CunningHAM.

Q: What do you call a pig with no legs?
A: A GroundHog.

Q: Why didn't the piglets listen to the teacher pig?
A: He was a boar.

253 joncelli  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:50:26am

re: #33 Ward Cleaver

Red Hot and Blue. Or a little rib joint in Kissimmee, FL called Fat Boys. They could set up a stand, make a killing...so to speak...and everybody would enjoy! Well, except PETA, but they don't count.

254 Cygnus  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:51:53am

re: #250 Scorch

Actually pigs are some of the cleaner animals and are well cared for on most hog operations. Now take a few hundred humans and give them no sanitation and keep them caged up for a week (since peta thinks hogs are not kept clean) and see what kind of stench you get out of that.

Kind of like your typical junior-high school gym locker.

255 joncelli  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:53:15am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Mud puppies! (Wait -- that's taken. Oh well.)

256 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:56:51am

It would be very difficult to replicate the devastation that Smithfield has wrought on North Carolina in a short amount of time, but I'd love to have the idiots in Congress have to deal with this small demonstration.

I think Smithfield is the new Chicago meatpacker/Swift Beef scandal.

257 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:57:18am

PETA might learn something positive about farmers from having to hose down the hogs, and care for the animals.

At a minimum, they can perfect their hog-calling! Soweeeeeeeeeee! Pig, pig, pig, pig!

258 Robert Schwartz  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:58:21am

Pigs are cleaner, smarter, and more honest than Congressmen. Congress would shut the hog farm down for fear that the hogs would remind people of that.

259 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:01:48am
Smithfield's pigs live by the hundreds or thousands in warehouse-like barns, in rows of wall-to-wall pens. Sows are artificially inseminated and fed and delivered of their piglets in cages so small they cannot turn around. Forty fully grown 250-pound male hogs often occupy a pen the size of a tiny apartment. They trample each other to death. There is no sunlight, straw, fresh air or earth. The floors are slatted to allow excrement to fall into a catchment pit under the pens,


From Smithfield's point of view, the problem with this lifestyle is immunological. Taken together, the immobility, poisonous air and terror of confinement badly damage the pigs' immune systems. They become susceptible to infection, and in such dense quarters microbes or parasites or fungi, once established in one pig, will rush spritelike through the whole population. Accordingly, factory pigs are infused with a huge range of antibiotics and vaccines, and are doused with insecticides.


Smithfield's holding ponds -- the company calls them lagoons -- cover as much as 120,000 square feet. The area around a single slaughterhouse can contain hundreds of lagoons, some of which run thirty feet deep.


Smithfield's expansion was unique in the history of the industry: Between 1990 and 2005, it grew by more than 1,000 percent. In 1997 it was the nation's seventh-largest pork producer; by 1999 it was the largest. Smithfield now kills one of every four pigs sold commercially in the United States.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

This isn't your grandpa's hog farm....they have driven family farmers out of business with their insane practices which have destroyed huge swaths of land in North Carolina. Just because something is cheaper and more efficient doesn't make it better...

260 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:04:10am

re: #250 Scorch

Actually pigs are some of the cleaner animals and are well cared for on most hog operations. Now take a few hundred humans and give them no sanitation and keep them caged up for a week (since peta thinks hogs are not kept clean) and see what kind of stench you get out of that.

Not at Smithfield factory operations they're not.

261 Pete-billy  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:09:45am

'' I’m no fan of PETA (in fact, I think they’re idiots), ...'''
LOL

thx Charles !

I have to say that this is the funniest thing i've heard today !

Have a nice day guys !

:-)

262 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #250 Scorch

Actually pigs are some of the cleaner animals and are well cared for on most hog operations. Now take a few hundred humans and give them no sanitation and keep them caged up for a week (since peta thinks hogs are not kept clean) and see what kind of stench you get out of that.

Just go to a hippie commune to find out.

263 Emerald  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:20:45am

It would be funny to let PETA do this, then turn around and have the SPCA charge them with animal cruelty. Something very karmic about it.

264 Andopolis  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:30:58am

So, if PETA had their way, we would all be vegetarians (which is unnatural.. human beings are by nature omnivores.. that's why we have canine teeth)
and therefore have no need of most of the animals used as foodstock. Pigs, cows, chickens, turkeys.. all would be pretty much useless to us.. so what would we do? Kill them or let them die off.. they'd become extinct species, or at best some small number would be kept in zoos. Does this mean PETA is promoting extinction of species?
I'm getting a bit verklempt.... discuss...

265 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:34:40am
In a statement, PETA says it hopes to replicate the conditions that led to the spread of swine flu and convince Americans to become vegetarians.

What a pile of...uh...aah...umm...lettuce?

266 Pickles  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:38:10am

re: #264 Andopolis

So, if PETA had their way, we would all be vegetarians (which is unnatural.. human beings are by nature omnivores.. that's why we have canine teeth)
and therefore have no need of most of the animals used as foodstock. Pigs, cows, chickens, turkeys.. all would be pretty much useless to us.. so what would we do? Kill them or let them die off.. they'd become extinct species, or at best some small number would be kept in zoos. Does this mean PETA is promoting extinction of species?
I'm getting a bit verklempt.... discuss...

This was my question as well. So are they for the complete neutering of all animals everywhere so they don't reproduce? And the current slate of animals, would we then euthanize them? Let them live out their lives? And where? It would be hilarious though if they did set this up outside the capitol. Now that I think is funny. I don't however agree with their overall agenda. As the saying goes though about a stopped clock..yeah it even applies to groups like Peta now and then.

267 Render  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:43:32am

[Link: render64.wordpress.com...]

Mind the overstated hyperbole...

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268 Thinking Mans Republican  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:45:48am

I've always thought that if PETA folks really had strength in their convictions, instead of throwing red paint on little old ladies on Park Ave wearing furs, they should go to a biker rally, and throw it on a bunch of Hell's Angels wearing leather.

That would be much more compelling!

269 tokyobk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #268 Thinking Mans Republican

I have seen people at anti-fur rallies wearing leather sneakers.

270 tokyobk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #266 Pickles

I don't think the fangs argument really works. Of course humans had to eat animals to survive 50,000 years ago and of course we have fangs, we are mammals. The question is, does not eating animals represent a higher stage of moral development. I argue, yes. Many people including most of my friends and family and most people here at LGF disagree. Humans also used their fangs to eat each other and at one time we had a use for our appendix in eating raw flesh.

271 Yashmak  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:30pm

And when PETA is done with their little pig farming experiment, why, they can simply kill the pigs. . .like the 21,000 animals they 'put down' at their headquarters since 1998.

272 2senseplain  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:51pm

re: #268 Thinking Mans Republican

Much more entertaining, too.

273 Shane  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:46pm

Charles;
Would you really subject pigs to congress?

274 Shane  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:25pm

To 270

No. Not eating animals doesn't raise our moral development. Obtaining sustenance is not a moral choice. Not eating one's species is a good choice for biological reasons and you could also argue a moral choice as a human.

275 Idle Drifter  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:34:02pm

DTC:

Death before decaf. You can have my bacon after you pry it from my cold dead hands. No eggs, no peace.

276 tokyobk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:35:30pm

re: #274 Shane

Shane, here is why I respectfully disagree with you:

There is a choice as to how we obtain substance. I would certainly kill and eat animals to avoid starving, to feed my family or to feed your family, meaning my loyalty to another human trumps the desire not to make a pig suffer, and suffer they do.

However, the belief that a measurement of morality is found in our compassion results in me believing that killing an animal gratuitously, and again in 2009 in any developed country it is gratuitous especially fellow mammals who feel pain just as sure as they produce milk.

Also, the ingestion of flesh is vile from the point of view that whatever makes animals and humans different; intelligence? A soul? It is not flesh and blood which we share. In my opinion, cannibalism is a homologue to carnivorism.

IMO.

277 Outrider  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:55:20pm

re: #276 tokyobk

Shane, here is why I respectfully disagree with you:

There is a choice as to how we obtain substance. I would certainly kill and eat animals to avoid starving, to feed my family or to feed your family, meaning my loyalty to another human trumps the desire not to make a pig suffer, and suffer they do.

However, the belief that a measurement of morality is found in our compassion results in me believing that killing an animal gratuitously, and again in 2009 in any developed country it is gratuitous especially fellow mammals who feel pain just as sure as they produce milk.

Also, the ingestion of flesh is vile from the point of view that whatever makes animals and humans different; intelligence? A soul? It is not flesh and blood which we share. In my opinion, cannibalism is a homologue to carnivorism.

IMO.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to project human emotions and feelings on animals. Fact is, most animals are in the food chain. To each other and to humans. That is simply the way nature works- man is a predator and omnivore.

I wonder what all the vegans will do when science gets sophisticated enough to determine plants "feel" pain and emit inaudible (to us) screams when we rip their tender little leafs in our Veggie-matics? ;-)>

278 tokyobk  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:23:11pm

Actually, I agree with you Outrider.

The conscious decision not to eat meat is a very human thing and in my opinion and advanced human thing. Setting aside the projection of human feelings and emotions onto animals, which I don't, all mammals are hardwired to feel pain. Cows and pigs feel the same pain we do.

Animals are on natures food chain as you say, but most of what is wonderful about life has come from us subduing animal urges.

By the time our morality catches up to the poor little screaming carrots we should have little cubes of nutrients but then someone will discover minerals feel pain as well!

279 bubbasbbq  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:24:39pm

I hate Peta, they are domestic terrorists pure and simple. However, if they want to really make a mess, pig farms are nowhere near as bad as Chicken farms. Now THEY are disgusting

And if you do not beleive they are not terrorists go and talk to anyone involved in a hunting or houndsmen club in this country....

280 BigDog  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:25:04pm

Last time I was in DC I thought some had started a stinky hog farm, but when I got closer I realized it was just a 'code pink' gathering.

281 bubbasbbq  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:27:22pm

Oh, and before I forget, if Peta DID have their way and eliminated pig farms altogether, there are still 20 bazillion wild and feral swine in the world. Since the sine flu is waterborne do you think anything would change?

282 Obsidiandog  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:40:05pm

There are few things in life that smell worse than a hog farm.

283 Dr_Applebreath  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:41:07pm

Lots of pig farms in South Jersey, lucky suckers get to eat Philly's garbage.

If SecState Hillary still worked there, it would smell like home sweet Arkansas to the lil darlin'.

284 Sand Panda  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:12:15pm

re: #256 funky chicken

I didn't need to follow your link - I read that Rolling Stone article some years ago and it has stayed with me ever since.

As somebody who wholeheartedly supports modernizing agriculture in order to feed the world's burgeoning population, I'm disgusted not just with what Smithfield have done, but that they've gotten away with it.

285 HDrepub  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:21:40pm

re: #282 Obsidiandog

There are few things in life that smell worse than a hog farm.

A 10,000 head capacity cattle feed lot has a nice aroma as well, especially if you are riding a motorcycle by one. Kind of makes you think twice about steak for dinner.

286 es46ne10  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:38:59pm

"In a statement, PETA says it hopes to replicate the conditions that led to the spread of swine flu and convince Americans to become vegetarians."

I may have missed someone already posting this (slow computer), but if Swine Flu is the pandemic-in-waiting that everyone seems to think it is, how is this not terrorism?

287 SuperdaveTWC  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:15:48pm

Question:

If vegetarians eat vegetables, then what do humanitarians eat?

288 Shane  Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:27:17pm

re: #276 Tokyobk;

We don't kill animals gratuitously. We kill them for food. To randomly kill animals is a waste. Why kill it if it isn't a threat or you aren't going to eat it? But the flesh of animals provides protein, something we need to survive. The quantity of protein per ounce is fairly large so it provides an economical protein source. As far as feeling pain goes, we don't torture them to death. The difference between human flesh and animal flesh is fairly significant. Genetically, eating another of ones species can cause all kinds of problems because pathogens in that flesh readily transfer to consumer. The diseases that develop etc are terrible. One of the reasons that canniblistic societies usually failed was illness born of eating ones own kind. I understand the empathy, I have freinds that are buddist and have beleifs that preclude the eating of animals but it is a beleif that the animals are some sort of equivalent being and killing them is murder. It is a beleif that any being of flesh is a sentient being. I simply don't beleive that.

289 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:07:41am

I only see one major difference between the swine in the "pig farm" and our politicians in D.C.—bacon. Tasty, tasty bacon.

The pigs are useful and productive, you see, and perhaps more intelligent.

290 bubbasbbq  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:17:09am

re: #288 Shane

re: #276 Tokyobk;

We don't kill animals gratuitously. We kill them for food. To randomly kill animals is a waste. Why kill it if it isn't a threat or you aren't going to eat it? But the flesh of animals provides protein, something we need to survive. The quantity of protein per ounce is fairly large so it provides an economical protein source. As far as feeling pain goes, we don't torture them to death. The difference between human flesh and animal flesh is fairly significant. Genetically, eating another of ones species can cause all kinds of problems because pathogens in that flesh readily transfer to consumer. The diseases that develop etc are terrible. One of the reasons that canniblistic societies usually failed was illness born of eating ones own kind. I understand the empathy, I have freinds that are buddist and have beleifs that preclude the eating of animals but it is a beleif that the animals are some sort of equivalent being and killing them is murder. It is a beleif that any being of flesh is a sentient being. I simply don't beleive that.

Nice, very nicely done. Ask any hunter. Most of them will tell you, they only take clean shots and never try to wound or merely injure their game. And I can tell you I have passed up plenty of shots because I wasn't sure I was able to get a clean kill. Most hunters respect the woods and the game they hunt. And Nothing is wasted. what I can't eat, I process and give to my hounds.

Also, cannibalism is seldom done for food except in extreme conditions. It was mostly done to disrespect or dishonor a foe. Not that is makes it any less unnatural.


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