Pat Buchanan Compares Nazi Demjanjuk to Jesus Christ

OpinionApril 2009 • Views: 8,406

In a recent column for Human Events, Pat Buchanan compares Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk to Jesus Christ: The True Haters.

The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.

And browsing through the comments at Human Events, responding to this article, is to plunge into a filthy cesspool of antisemitism. Here’s just one out of 895:

“The Jews have a history in trumped up charges and hangings. And in ignorance Christians think they get some free pass located in the Old Testament.”

BINGO, and it needs to be said over and over again. I don’t know what’s up with the Evangelicals, but they seem to be selectively reading their Bibles.

The Son of God called ‘them’ the offspring of the Devil, didn’t He?

A stench of rot is coming from the Human Events website.

(Hat tip: Harry’s Place.)

Also see

Holocaust Denial at Pat Buchanan’s Official Website. Op-Ed: Comparing Demjanjuk to Jesus is obscene.

UPDATE at 4/30/09 11:57:51 am:

Please note: Speaking of Buchanan, when he isn’t comparing Nazi death camp guards to Jesus Christ, he makes plans and alliances with Eurofascists like Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke of the Belgian Vlaams Belang.

Just like some so-called “anti-jihad” bloggers do.

Here they are, meeting in 2007:

Jump to bottom

557 comments

Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:51:02am

Jesus Christ? All I have to say to that is: JESUS CHRIST, are you insane!

Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:51:37am

MSNBC is really rubbing off on him.

This man is insane
and evil

JohnnyReb Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:52:21am

Never heard of the human events place. Do they spew madness often?

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:52:30am

I hope Pat takes a vacation in Germany. He might end up there longer than he expected, paid for by the country. Free bars on the windows.

freedombilly Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:52:39am

Can Pat Buchanan sink any lower?

WAIT! Don't answer that.

Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:52:44am

Well Pat, what can I say. We got Jesus and we're gonna get that Nazi bastard also!
/ just kidding about the Jesus part

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:52:55am

Marge Simpson: "Are you really comparing yourself to our Lord?"
Homer Simpson: "As far as bowling ability is concerned? Yes."

Pullus Iulius Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:02am

What a sickening form of insanity.

Macker Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:03am

re: #1 Desert Dog

If I could give you 1,000 updings I would!

Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:07am

On Good Friday, John Demjanjuk, 89 and gravely ill, was ordered deported to Germany to stand trial as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews -- at Sobibor camp in Poland.

THAT IS A LIE.

Youtube Video

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:14am

Buchanan is disgusting.

Joan Not of Arc Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:34am

Remember the commandment of not taking the Lord's Name in vain?
Not a lot of people respect Jesus these days but even this should take the cake.

quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:39am

Pat Buchanan really, really doesn't get it. Jesus of Nazareth was INNOCENT!

Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:40am

WWDD ?

[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:43am

Macker Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:53:55am

re: #7 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Don't tell me Marge voted for БХО too...

/c'est la suc

MikeAlv77 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:54:02am

This man is sick. There is nothing else that can be said about him. Well, actually a lot could be said but I will self-censor...

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:54:08am

Just a reminder: Pat Buchanan is pretty much the center of the international ethnic nationalist movement including Vlaams Belang, Le Penn, the BNP, David Duke, etc.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #1 Desert Dog

Jesus Christ? All I have to say to that is: JESUS CHRIST, are you insane!

It's Pat Buchanan. Pitchfork Pat has always been somewhat teetering on the edge of sanity.

Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:54:37am

Nobody missed the whiff of anti-semitism there.

"It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago."

Great! So he's back to spreading deicide claims as well. Thanks, Pat., thanks a lot.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #5 freedombilly

Can Pat Buchanan sink any lower?

WAIT! Don't answer that.

Yes, he could link up with the Vlaams Belang and BNP, and make Pam's head spin.

Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:54:47am

Buchanan is a vile piece of crap.

Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:55:08am

re: #10 Ben Hur

So he's doing the old Mafia chieftain schtick? Appear in courtroom in wheelchair with oxygen tank... etc.

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:55:09am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Just a reminder: Pat Buchanan is pretty much the center of the international ethnic nationalist movement including Vlaams Belang, Le Penn, the BNP, David Duke, etc.

Yes, exactly. This can't be stated often enough.

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:55:13am

re: #22 Kenneth

Buchanan is a vile piece of crap.

An insult to vile pieces of crap everywhere!

Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:55:22am

re: #22 Kenneth

Buchanan is a vile piece of crap.

Just don't call him a Republican Please.

Render Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:55:38am

Charles - Time for the Buchanan-DeWinter pic again?

RUN
IT,
R

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:55:52am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Just a reminder: Pat Buchanan is pretty much the center of the international ethnic nationalist movement including Vlaams Belang, Le Penn, the BNP, David Duke, etc.

Which is what makes Pamela's condemnation of Pat Buchanan so puzzling. She praises Le Pen, the BNP, and the Vlaams Belang.

doppelganglander Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:56:11am

And I compare Pat Buchanan to that stuff I scraped off my shoe this morning.

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:56:23am

Remember, the MFMSM will use Pat as the spokesperson for the GOP, whether the GOP agrees or not. This just plays in with the strategy to demonize Republicans and unite us under One party, which will be renamed the Obamacrats.

Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:56:33am

And of course, Buchanan will continue to be the favorite "conservative" for the network political chat shows to turn to. Conservative minstrelry.

yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:56:56am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Just a reminder: Pat Buchanan is pretty much the center of the international ethnic nationalist movement including Vlaams Belang, Le Penn, the BNP, David Duke, etc.

Isn't he also the token 'conservative' on LLL TV shows?

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:57:05am

re: #29 doppelganglander

And I compare Pat Buchanan to that stuff I scraped off my shoe this morning.

Are you sure you want to compare that stuff you scraped off your shoe to Pat Buchanan? That stuff you scraped off your shoe can't be all that nasty, and might actually have a purpose.

Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:57:17am

Not that long ago that he gave the keynote address at the Republican national convention.

and won NH in the GOP primary.

Scary that a man like him can attain such influence in the Republican Party.

That's why it's so important to expose him and his ilk.
Prevent them from getting a foothold again

Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:57:52am

Canada, U.S. offering more than $10B as Chrysler to file for Chapter 11

anotherindyfilmguy Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:02am

re: #29 doppelganglander

And I compare Pat Buchanan to that stuff I scraped off my shoe this morning.

That stuff probably serves a better biological purpose and deserves an apology...

quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:23am

And repeating the blood libel ("all Jews are responsible for Jesus' death in perpetutity") also demonstrates how vicious an anti-Semite Buchanan is. The correct Christian theology is "Humanity crucified Jesus, not any one ethnic group". The theology is about humanity's rejection of G-d. It's a continuation of Tanak themes about Israel and Israel's kings rejecting her G-d.

alegrias Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:44am

re: #3 JohnnyReb

Never heard of the human events place. Do they spew madness often?

* * * * *
Oddly enough, Human Events has a big ad up top right hand corner next to this thread!

Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:45am

Mr. Buchanan should be ostracized, belittled, written off, ignored, mocked, and treated as the pariah he really is: A sad antisemitic racist white supremist piece of sh*t.

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:47am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

And of course, Buchanan will continue to be the favorite "conservative" for the network political chat shows to turn to. Conservative minstrelry.

Like the Jar-Jar Binks of the Right.

Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:55am

re: #37 quickjustice

And repeating the blood libel ("all Jews are responsible for Jesus' death in perpetutity") also demonstrates how vicious an anti-Semite Buchanan is. The correct Christian theology is "Humanity crucified Jesus, not any one ethnic group". The theology is about humanity's rejection of G-d. It's a continuation of Tanak themes about Israel and Israel's kings rejecting her G-d.

That just shows you how powerful the Jewish lobby really is!

Emerald Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:58:58am

And there will still be people who defend this vile POS because they agree with some of his ideas. Aligning yourself with someone isn't an a la carte option; you get the whole package.

Son of the Black Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:59:48am

re: #3 JohnnyReb

Never heard of the human events place. Do they spew madness often?

They spew a lot of spam, if you unfortunately get on their mailing list.

Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:59:52am

I heard Buchanan once had an asshole transplant. The transplant rejected him.

capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:09pm

Pat,

Isn't there some funky, sleazy South American country where you'd feel more comfortable?

Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:20pm

re: #31 Occasional Reader

And of course, Buchanan will continue to be the favorite "conservative" for the network political chat shows to turn to. Conservative minstrelry.

Of Course, he is rolled out by the left as the "typical" Republican. Thank you Pat, you taint everyone on the right every time you fire up your PC or open your stupid yap.

medaura18586 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:23pm

Not only is Buchanan comparing Demjanjuk to the holy mythical figure of Christ, the double whammy comes from the comparison of its prosecutors to "the hateful ones" -- clears throat -- who killed Christ.

Those hateful Christ-killing Jews. Revised history repeats itself.

/spit!

Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:23pm

Killer bees also make good honey.

/My thoughts on aligning with far right groups just because they are also against Violent Jihadists

Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:25pm

Gotta go. Later.

Macker Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:29pm

re: #23 Occasional Reader

So he's doing the old Mafia chieftain schtick? Appear in courtroom in wheelchair with oxygen tank... etc.

Somehow, I think that schtick will appear on Caprica, as the Guatrau gets hauled into Court for some type of conspiracy charge, and Joe Adama will defend him.

Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:52pm

Demjanjuk was released. And the grin of the jailer who opened his cell testified that many in Israel never accepted the charge that this simple man was some unrivaled devil of the Holocaust.

That's like having a federal post-office worker speak for the whole of the US.

medaura18586 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:00:55pm

re: #47 medaura18586

PIMF:

Not only is Buchanan comparing Demjanjuk to the holy mythical figure of Christ, the double whammy comes from the comparison of his prosecutors to "the hateful ones" -- clears throat -- who killed Christ.

Those hateful Christ-killing Jews. Revised history repeats itself.

/spit!

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:10pm

re: #28 Honorary Yooper

Which is what makes Pamela's condemnation of Pat Buchanan so puzzling. She praises Le Pen, the BNP, and the Vlaams Belang.

I don't think she's praised Le Penn but she has posted videos from BNP before. Both her and Spencer openly support Vlaams Belang and Pro Koln. It's disgraceful that they associate with people who mock the holocaust.

capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:25pm

re: #31 Occasional Reader

And of course, Buchanan will continue to be the favorite "conservative" for the network political chat shows to turn to. Conservative minstrelry.

That needs to f---ing stop.

alegrias Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:25pm

Mr. Buchanan is a product of Washington DC's antisemitic U, Georgetown University.

They need to clean up that cesspool and its resident antisemite Mr. Esposito, who now advises the White House.

Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #44 Kenneth

I heard Buchanan once had an asshole transplant. The transplant rejected him.

Actually, the proctologist brought in for the pre-transplant prep was unable to remove Pat's head out of his a** and they have to cancel the entire thing.

Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:47pm

Mythical?

Macker Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:51pm

re: #40 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm sorry, I just can't see him saying "Yousa people gonna DIE?"

Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:01:58pm

Discuss.

BBL

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:14pm

re: #32 yma o hyd

Isn't he also the token 'conservative' on LLL TV shows?

He also appears frequently on Fox News too. He's been effectively mainstreamed. Alex Jones and Ron Paul aren't far behind.

Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:02:53pm

re: #58 Macker

I'm sorry, I just can't see him saying "Yousa people gonna DIE?"

I can, and the thought is amusing and disturbing.

bj Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:03:12pm

The Son of God called ‘them’ the offspring of the Devil, didn’t He?

Apparently mr. buch. doesn't know there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism. That is a decidedly Christian innovation so it would be rather impossible for a Jew of that time to call other Jews that. Maybe he needs an education. Feh! May all the pigs of the world descent upon that "man".

Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #35 Kenneth

Canada, U.S. offering more than $10B as Chrysler to file for Chapter 11

Here comes more taxpayer $$$. Gee, couldn't see this coming 100 miles away.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #52 medaura18586

Medaura, what I find really interesting is how some of the "anti-jihad" bloggers condemn Buchanan, yet go on to praise the Vlaams Belang. It truly boggles my mind since Buchanan and the VB are cut of the same cloth. I'd like to see certain ones of them choke on the picture Charles posted above.

BTW, thanks for the picture, Charles. It is evidence of Buchanan and the VB being of the same type of mind.

Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:04:15pm

re: #62 bj

Apparently mr. buch. doesn't know there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism. That is a decidedly Christian innovation so it would be rather impossible for a Jew of that time to call other Jews that. Maybe he needs an education. Feh! May all the pigs of the world descent upon that "man".

A far better curse: A prison should collapse on him.

Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:00pm

re: #63 Russkilitlover

Here comes more taxpayer $$$. Gee, couldn't see this coming 100 miles away.

CEO Obama is in charge, don't worry....everything will be just fine....you'll see....

/BARF

Summer Seale Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:12pm

I just skimmed through the comments, and I sure am happy that I unsubscribed from Human Events ages ago. That comments thread literally reads like a Stormfront forum.

It's sad, really. A year after William F. Buckley's death, and no one is left to hold off the Birchers and anti-Semites popping back up all over the place.

Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:29pm

Regarding that update photo?

What are they doing, trolling the local high school?

Bubbaman Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:05:40pm

The one interesting thing in all of this is how similar in many respects wackos like Buttcanon, David Puke, etc. are to nutjobs like Rev. "Whitey" Wright, Carter, etc. No matter how one tries to spin them, they're all cut from the same cloth.

Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:20pm

And Pat should know about satanic brews.

[mixing antidote to that article, getting brain bleach, running shower]

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

He also appears frequently on Fox News too. He's been effectively mainstreamed. Alex Jones and Ron Paul aren't far behind.

I think this is the way the MSM is making all conservatives look like wackos.
Their message includes "Any Jews who don't like Obama's treatment of Israel, well, here's the alternative - blatant anti-Semites."

We don't need Newspeak, or the Thought Police; we just need the MSM.

CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:22pm

re: #40 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Like the Jar-Jar Binks of the Right.

Pat-Pat Buchs?

Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:06:55pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

I don't think she's praised Le Penn but she has posted videos from BNP before. Both her and Spencer openly support Vlaams Belang and Pro Koln. It's disgraceful that they associate with people who mock the holocaust.

It is very disgraceful. However, Killgore, I find it most odd that they would condemn Demjanjuk and Buchanan while singing the praises of the VB, BNP, and Pro Koln. One would think they'd love Pitchfork Pat based on his works, his thoughts, and his associations (see photo above).

Kragar Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:19pm

re: #72 CyanSnowHawk

Pat-Pat Buchs?

Makes you wonder who Anny is?

Land Shark Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:32pm

"A stench of rot is coming from the Human Events website."

Yep, and that stench just reached pig farm / paper mill levels with the latest from pile of manure from Buchanan. It's mortifying to me, as a Conservative, to have this anti-Semitic whack job identified as a Conservative.

Whenever I hear or see the name "Pat Buchanan", my Bullshit-O-Meter goes nuts. Go away, asshole!

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:07:35pm

Sean Hannity praises Pat Buchanan as "the great Patrick J. Buchanan:"

Youtube Video

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #71 Kosh's Shadow

I think this is the way the MSM is making all conservatives look like wackos.

Don't blame the MSM. These nuts are being mainstreamed by conservatives themselves. In fact, the MSM is just happily ignoring it. They are quite happy to see conservatives embarrass themselves.

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:08:35pm

I had a job interview with Human Events last year. Now I'm glad they didn't hire me.

quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:08:45pm

re: #62 bj

There's no Christian devil in Judaism, but the concept does come from both Tanak (the Book of Job) and non-Tanak Jewish literature identifying "satan", Hebrew for "adversary", as a lesser spiritual creature who occasionally challenges G-d, as in the Book of Job.

The story of Lucifer, the satanic angel cast out of heaven for defying G-d, originates in Jewish literature, and is memorialized in the famous epic poem of John Milton.

bj Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:20pm

re: #76 Charles

Sean Hannity praises Pat Buchanan as "the great Patrick J. Buchanan:"

[Video]

Sickening. I no longer trust FOX news since the advent of the huckster and the coronation of buchs.

[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:27pm

WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:37pm

re: #44 Kenneth

KENNETH. Wadup?

Ayatollah Ghilmeini Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:53pm

Poor Demjanjuk

There is uncontroverted evidence he was a member of the SS. The SS was categorically declared a criminal organziation and US law prohibits SS men from admission to the US or citizenship.

According to the Gospels, Jesus died for man's sins. According to his military records, Demjanjuk was a Concentration Camp Guard. Interesting juxtaposition. Pat's subtext is implying the Jews killed Jesus and are now killing Demjanjuk.

According to all notions of decency and reason, defending Demjanjuk is the gutter act of sewer rats and reprobates. It is consistent with Buchanan's new book on WWII history that finds Churchill more at fault than Hitler for the war.

Your a bigoted pile Mr. Buchanan.

Please check my fisking of Obama's Holocaust memorial in the previous post

Kragar Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:09:56pm

White House warns of swine flu on Obama's Mexico trip

The White House is issuing a health advisory to anyone who traveled on President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico, after a member of the U.S. delegation came down with flu-like symptoms – and tests on that staffers’ family showed they are probably infected with the swine flu.

OBAMA BROUGHT THE SWINE FLU TO THE US!

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:10:23pm

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

One would think they'd love Pitchfork Pat based on his works, his thoughts, and his associations

It's going to take time. It's a process but that's the direction they're headed. They backed off from the Pro Koln conference and Spencer cancelled a speech last week to a White Supremacist group after CAIR pointed it out. It's a sign that he's embarrassed by the attention. He'll eventually get used to it but it's going to take some time.

WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:10:43pm

Sean Hannity is a major dick with some pretty Jew-hating friends who also plagiarizes Debbie Schleussel. Like her or not-that's just not kosher in cyberspace or anywhere else. Give credit where credit is due.

quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #76 Charles

Hannity sucks up to Buchanan to increase his eyeball count.

Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:03pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

White House warns of swine flu on Obama's Mexico trip

OBAMA BROUGHT THE SWINE FLU TO THE US!

/

And you said he hadn't done anything in his first 100 days!
//

Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #76 Charles

Sean Hannity praises Pat Buchanan as "the great Patrick J. Buchanan:"

Youtube Video

Hannity's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. He just gloms on to who ever agrees with his simplistic opinions. I don't think he really delves down into a political figure's philosophy.

WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:18pm

re: #83 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Really wish you had your own blog.

Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:25pm

re: #87 quickjustice

Hannity sucks up to Buchanan to increase his eyeball count.

Bad image...

Fenway_Nation Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:25pm

Well....I'm pretty sure this was who I had in mind when I said the GOP can forget about me when they start making room for Paulians, 9/11 truthers, skinheads and paleocons (not to mention the dipshits who assured us 0bama was going to govern from the center) in their 'big tent'.

'Cept didn't Buchanan join up with the Reform party along with Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura in the 90's?

Liberal Classic Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:37pm

Treblinka was hell on earth. WTF is wrong with these people?

Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:55pm

re: #93 Liberal Classic

Treblinka was hell on earth. WTF is wrong with these people?

Short memories

jvic Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:56pm

The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy.

Then must the Jews be merciful. Got it.

Mmmkay, Pat Buchanan, I didn't know you agreed that earthly power doth then show likest God's when mercy seasons justice. Please give some examples that meet with your approval.

I'm guessing that a) you don't have any or b) they'd make me despise you even more than I already do.

calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:11:58pm

How delightfully vile he is. I wish he were younger so I could forbid my daughters from associating with him.

BTW, Human Events is no longer bookmarked on my browser.

jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:02pm

Pat,

Jesus offered himself in the place of others.

Demjanjuk participated in the slaughter of thousands.

And the kindest thing I could say is you've gone senile and should check into a home.

J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:10pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Since when is FOX "news" mainstream? Up here FOX is considered an extremist, flake channel -- like al-Jazeera...(not mainstream).

debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:10pm

re: #78 Mad Al-Jaffee

I had a job interview with Human Events last year. Now I'm glad they didn't hire me.

Are ya a sheet salesman?

100

Right mind left Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:13pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

White House warns of swine flu on Obama's Mexico trip

OBAMA BROUGHT THE SWINE FLU TO THE US!

/

Now his barn door comment makes sense...nevermind the rest of us, all that matters is he has been exposed...

101

Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:15pm

OT:

I can hear birdh chirping on my son's baby monitor.
They are outside his window upstairs.

sometimes you get a small reminder that there is still good in the world

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:17pm

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Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:23pm

re: #82 WriterMom

Wuddup? I'll tell you whatsup... it's my birthday!

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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:24pm

Also a prominently featured columnist at Human Events: Robert Spencer.

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Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:35pm

PIMF

birdh= birds

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #22 Kenneth

Don't insult crap with that comparison.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:13:07pm

OT: Hot Air links to this garbage written by a Huckabee supporter.....
The Facts on Fascism

By Quin Hillyer

I'm really trying to give Hot Air some slack. I really like the blog but I'm on the edge of deleting my bookmark.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #103 Kenneth

Getoutahere! My Dad also. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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Render Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:13:15pm

re: #90 WriterMom

You never said that to me!

LIVER,
CHOPPED,
R

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:13:47pm

re: #101 Shug

Beautiful post.

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Bubbaman Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #76 Charles

Hannity needs to gain some sanity in this regard and should be called out on the issue. If you recall, he made a big stink calling on Obama to repudiate Ayers, Wright, etc. for their remarks. Now if Hannity is to abide by what he preaches, there is no question that he must disavow Buttcanon.

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:01pm

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Liberal Classic Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #94 Nevergiveup

Short memories

A few years ago I expressed my concerns about Buchanan to some leftist friends. They told me I was wrong when I characterized Buchanan being anti-semitic, that I was buying into zionist propaganda and other such "everything you know is wrong" type of memes. But this? Go Pat! Go away!

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:19pm

re: #109 Render

{RENDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH}

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:21pm

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:22pm

re: #104 Charles

Also a prominently featured columnist at Human Events: Robert Spencer.

Sounds like there are more "events" than "humans" over there at Human Events

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:30pm

re: #5 freedombilly

Can Pat Buchanan sink any lower?

Depends on how many cinder blocks you tie to his feet.

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astronmr20 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:14:49pm

Dear Pat Buchanan,

Please shut the fuck up.

-the rest of us

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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #101 Shug

OT:

I can hear birdh chirping on my son's baby monitor.
They are outside his window upstairs.

sometimes you get a small reminder that there is still good in the world

Those aren't birds! Those are the aliens! Get the hose, quick!

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Dave the..... Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:15:10pm

Meanwhile, in the land of 10,000 kooks....

[Link: www.mndaily.com...]

Three flags were flying over the University of Minnesota’s Northrop Mall area Wednesday afternoon: American, Palestinian and Israeli.

Hillel, the University’s Jewish student center, and student group Gopher Israel were giving out free falafel and hummus, playing music and waving Israeli flags in honor of the country’s 61st independence day.

Along the base of the Northrop Plaza, protesters organized by the Muslim Student Association waved Palestinian and American flags and silently held signs protesting Israeli actions.

“The point is to show what Israeli independence is really celebrating: decades of oppression,” said Susie Gad, a second-year law student in the Muslim Student Association.

I see there are 105 comments. I didn't open them up, but usually you get some pretty nasty anti-Israel, anti-Semitic commentators here. Much more explicit then you usually get when Israel's right to exist is debated.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:15:49pm

re: #113 Liberal Classic

Get new friends.

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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #111 Bubbaman

Hannity needs to gain some sanity in this regard and should be called out on the issue. If you recall, he made a big stink calling on Obama to repudiate Ayers, Wright, etc. for their remarks. Now if Hannity is to abide by what he preaches, there is no question that he must disavow Buttcanon.

You should send that thar as an email to Hannity c/o FOX.

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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:07pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Don't blame the MSM. These nuts are being mainstreamed by conservatives themselves. In fact, the MSM is just happily ignoring it. They are quite happy to see conservatives embarrass themselves.

We need a new party.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:25pm

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

Hey buzz...

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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:33pm

re: #103 Kenneth

Wuddup? I'll tell you whatsup... it's my birthday!

Hey Kenneth! Happy Birthday! Strange thing - today is mine as well. (Just old enough to not want to think about it too much.)

:-)

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #120 Dave the.....

Meanwhile, in the land of 10,000 kooks....

[Link: www.mndaily.com...]

I see there are 105 comments. I didn't open them up, but usually you get some pretty nasty anti-Israel, anti-Semitic commentators here. Much more explicit then you usually get when Israel's right to exist is debated.

Was the felafal and hummus that bad?

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:00pm

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quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:04pm

Happy birthdays to you all!

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:14pm

re: #101 Shug

OT:

I can hear birdh chirping on my son's baby monitor.
They are outside his window upstairs.

sometimes you get a small reminder that there is still good in the world

Let's not forget that.

Youtube Video

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J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:23pm

re: #103 Kenneth

Happy Birthday, Kenneth!

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Liberal Classic Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:23pm

Oh, and a very unhappy Hitler Death Day to neonazis and antisemites everywhere.

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:30pm

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

I'll bake a cake!

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:14pm

re: #103 Kenneth

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:22pm

This is further evidence of the leaderless state of the GOP. They all know that they could not stake out this position if the party were in better shape. But now is their opportunity to do so. The more noise and notoriety, the less likely they can be ignored when the party does pull together.

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Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #108 WriterMom

Really? Tell him very happy birthday from me! You know, we share it with Willy Nelson and Stephen Harper. All rockin' dudes!

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:38pm

re: #131 Liberal Classic

Oh, and a very unhappy Hitler Death Day to neonazis and antisemites everywhere.

Somehow, it seems a shame that he couldn't have died much sooner, or more frequently.

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bj Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:40pm

re: #79 quickjustice

There's no Christian devil in Judaism, but the concept does come from both Tanak (the Book of Job) and non-Tanak Jewish literature identifying "satan", Hebrew for "adversary", as a lesser spiritual creature who occasionally challenges G-d, as in the Book of Job.

The story of Lucifer, the satanic angel cast out of heaven for defying G-d, originates in Jewish literature, and is memorialized in the famous epic poem of John Milton.

The meaning of "adversary" in Jewish folklore and Scriptures and the popular meaning of 'devil', 'satan', 'lucifer' (not used in Hebrew Scriptures) are quite different with the latter still being Christian in origination. Just because Milton wrote something doesn't mean he was right.

That aside, evedently buchanan speaks of that with which he associated himself.

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theuglydougling Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:42pm

Pat Buchanan - making conservatives look batshit crazy so Ron Paul doesn't have to.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:18:56pm

re: #98 J.S.

Since when is FOX "news" mainstream? Up here FOX is considered an extremist, flake channel -- like al-Jazeera...(not mainstream).

Curiously, what channel would you watch if a major news story came up ?

Msnbc ? Nbc ? CBS ?

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:01pm

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow

We need the PARTY PARTY!

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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:30pm

re: #83 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Poor Demjanjuk

There is uncontroverted evidence he was a member of the SS. The SS was categorically declared a criminal organziation and US law prohibits SS men from admission to the US or citizenship.

But he was one of the moderate SS.
/sarc

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lawhawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #101 Shug

Here's another:

Youtube Video

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:31pm

Happy Birthday to all Lizards and their family members who celebrate one today!

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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:38pm

Charles. Just sent you an E-Mail about a new campus group that is starting up. Think it might be of interest.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:19:49pm

re: #140 Earth56

I would put my computer on.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:04pm

re: #144 yma o hyd

YID! How are you?

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Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:06pm

A very merry unbirthday to me

and you

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Querent Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:13pm

bad craziness, man.

keep the righteous indignation stoked while i go get some crisp newly-minted updings.

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J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #140 Earth56

CNN...(?) Is that bad?

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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:21:10pm

Dogs and Goats together? Something about the devil?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #146 WriterMom

I would put my computer on.

I understand bit if you had to choose what TV newsource would you watch ?

Were left with bad and worse

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:21:46pm

re: #151 Nevergiveup

HARAM!

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:03pm

re: #147 WriterMom

YID! How are you?

Frazzled.
My dear neighbour is in hospital again - we've been ringing round all evening to get someone to come and stay with her elderly husband who has Alzheimers. Family issues - stepchildren - all pretty dreadful.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:15pm

re: #150 J.S.

CNN...(?) Is that bad?

Other than Lou Dobbs I can't think of any other reason to watch

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #152 Earth56

Regretfully, probably CNN, or my local 24 hour news channel.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #117 calcajun

Disclaimer: I was in no way advocating the use of violence, force etc. against Mr. Buchanan. I do not call for evil to be visited upon him (but one can hope).

I can only hope that he and his drivel, like all stupid ideas through history, will sink under its own weight.

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Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:22:55pm

Stephan Harper tickles a pussy!

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Shug Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:02pm

Vile comments there.
And wacko consipracy theories.

they even blamed James Trafficant's conviction on his defense of Demjanjuk!

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #156 WriterMom

Regretfully, probably CNN, or my local 24 hour news channel.

What's wrong with your radio? I always use AM radio when I'm away from the interwebs

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:13pm

re: #154 yma o hyd

Oh shame. Good of all of you to help and I hope all the family stuff gets straightened up. Sending you a cyberhug!

{YID}

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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:14pm

re: #141 WriterMom

We need the PARTY PARTY!

Senator Blutarsky belongs to the Toga Party.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:28pm

re: #156 WriterMom

Regretfully, probably CNN, or my local 24 hour news channel.

You do realize CNN was kicked off the air in Israel for obvious reasons

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:42pm

re: #158 Kenneth

Stephan Harper tickles a pussy!

And a cute one at that!

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:23:44pm

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

I was just about to post an Animal House clip. LOL.

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J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:03pm

re: #155 Earth56

have you seen "State of the Union" with John King? (it's not that bad)...(Oh, and has "Reliable Sources" been taken off?)

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nyc redneck Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:14pm

i don't like pat buchanan.
he is a one track hater.
his anti-semitism colors everything he says and does.
it's ugly.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #163 Earth56

I'm pretty sure I saw CNN and FOX when I was just in Israel.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #164 Honorary Yooper

And a cute one at that!

Is it shaved?

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:19pm

re: #160 Guanxi88

What's wrong with your radio? I always use AM radio when I'm away from the interwebs

I listen to radio 85% of the time but that doesn't answer the question of TV

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #157 calcajun

Disclaimer: I was in no way advocating the use of violence, force etc. against Mr. Buchanan. I do not call for evil to be visited upon him (but one can hope).

I can only hope that he and his drivel, like all stupid ideas through history, will sink under its own weight.

I don't think anyone would interpret your remarks as advocating or supporting anything so unpleasant as tossing a weighted Patrick Buchanan into a body of water. EPA regs and all.

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:24:35pm

OT - its not Swine Flu!

WHO - virus is not 'swine flu'. It's H1N1 influenza A

Too late - swine flu it is and will remain forever!

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:03pm

re: #166 J.S.

have you seen "State of the Union" with John King? (it's not that bad)...(Oh, and has "Reliable Sources" been taken off?)

Yes and very good

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:06pm

re: #160 Guanxi88

I got a radio..the question was what TV station would we watch if there was a breaking news story. They all suck shit-but what would you watch...

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:13pm

re: #161 WriterMom

Oh shame. Good of all of you to help and I hope all the family stuff gets straightened up. Sending you a cyberhug!

{YID}

Thanks!
(WriterMom}

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:22pm

OT: Nationwide Tea Party Coalition Accepts Obama's Invitation

It appears that the Tea Partiers have designated Dana Loesch as their leader to have a "serious" conversation about economics with the President. Here she is in action.....

Dana Loesch from 97.1 Talk FM and Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit Blog led the cheering crowd during Obama's visit to St. Louis to celebrate his first 100 days of destruction.

Youtube Video

She's a screeching loon screaming about the "circle of the Lord".

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:25pm

re: #170 Earth56

I listen to radio 85% of the time but that doesn't answer the question of TV

Ahh, TV's just radio, with pictures; who needs it?

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:31pm

re: #169 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's been outlawed in New Jersey.

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J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:40pm

re: #163 Earth56

CNN International (I've heard ) is different from the "CNN domestic" version that's broadcast in the U.S. and Canada...(and, yes, I believe CNN International is very bad...)

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:54pm

re: #168 WriterMom

I'm pretty sure I saw CNN and FOX when I was just in Israel.

I was there in January and other than Israeli News you have a choice of FOX, BBC,SKY and France1

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:25:55pm

re: #169 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is it shaved?

Nope, nice and fluffy.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:39pm

re: #174 WriterMom

I got a radio..the question was what TV station would we watch if there was a breaking news story. They all suck shit-but what would you watch...

Cartoon Network.....you'll walk away just as informed and you will be happier about things too

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:41pm

re: #171 Guanxi88

True. The dolphins might toss him back.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:43pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

OT: Nationwide Tea Party Coalition Accepts Obama's Invitation

It appears that the Tea Partiers have designated Dana Loesch as their leader to have a "serious" conversation about economics with the President. Here she is in action.....

Dana Loesch from 97.1 Talk FM and Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit Blog led the cheering crowd during Obama's visit to St. Louis to celebrate his first 100 days of destruction.

She's a screeching loon screaming about the "circle of the Lord".

This should be fun.

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:46pm

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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:49pm

re: #172 yma o hyd

Hi yma! Hope you're doing great today. Have you seen this story:

Pensioner who tidied up allotment branded 'vigilante' by council

Pamela Dunn, a public-spirited pensioner who tidied up a rubbish-strewn allotment, was branded a vigilante by her local council in Dorset and told to stop.

(Fortunately, it has kind of a happy ending, after she went to a council meeting and 'splained some things to 'em.)

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #180 Earth56

You could be right...I remember when there was a big kerfuffle about it.

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #177 Guanxi88

Ahh, TV's just radio, with pictures; who needs it?

It's just a fad.

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Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:29pm

Interesting version of the CNN website: [Link: arabic.cnn.com...]

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:30pm

Effin' Morons are running the asylum.

State joins Electoral College pact
Elections: Law backs winner of popular vote

Under a bill signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Chris Gregoire, Washington will pledge its 11 Electoral College votes to the winner of the national popular vote. Washington joins a small but growing compact of states including Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland and New Jersey that allocate their votes that way.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:43pm

re: #169 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is it shaved?

-SLAP-

Many took the stick back...

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #174 WriterMom

I got a radio..the question was what TV station would we watch if there was a breaking news story. They all suck shit-but what would you watch...

Well..yes there are a few kooks on FOX but after 2 weeks in Israel as an example they were the only ones that covered the Gaza affair in a fair and balanced fashion. Yes that sounds like their quote but I almost threw a matzo ball at the tv after watching the BBC.

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Aye Pod Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:27:58pm

The Buchananana - everybody's worst nightmare.

Image: buchanana.jpg

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:28:00pm

re: #188 MandyManners

It's just a fad.

Exactly; there's always the cinema, and, for real bang for your nickel, the vaudeville.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:28:16pm

re: #182 Desert Dog

I watch far too many cartoons than I should already, which blunts the brain. Some of them are effing evil creations. The songs, the characters. My mother thinks some of them are created by child-hating transgendered freakazoids with serious mental issues.

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nyc redneck Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:28:43pm

he is the kind of jerk you could talk to at a party and he would find a way to
relentlessly steer the conversation always back to the subject of his insane hatred.
he has a mental disorder. obsessive compulsive irrational hatred.
(or something.)

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:28:49pm

re: #178 WriterMom

That's been outlawed in New Jersey.

Note to self: don't date girls from New Jersey.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:02pm

re: #191 calcajun

-SLAP-

Many took the stick back...

PIMF

Mandy took the stick back.

(I need lunch)

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:04pm

Mr. Buchanan is a regular weekend panel member on PBS, forget which show it is, as I seldom watch it in its entirety.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:10pm

re: #192 Earth56

The BBC is UNWATCHABLE. Did you see the parody of BBC done by that Israeli comedy show, I can't remember the name now..

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:11pm

re: #194 Guanxi88

Exactly; there's always the cinema, and, for real bang for your nickel, the vaudeville.

I love attending after my shift at the buggy-whip factory.

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Dave the..... Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:33pm

Under a bill signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Chris Gregoire, Washington will pledge its 11 Electoral College votes to the winner of the national popular vote. Washington joins a small but growing compact of states including Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland and New Jersey that allocate their votes that way.

Here's the problem. Remember Florida 2000? Minnesota Senate right now? Imagine a Presidental election where the Electoral votes are 55-45%, but the real vote is 50-50. Every state will go through hell as each side tries to find every possible extra vote.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #195 WriterMom

child-hating transgendered freakazoids with serious mental issues.

Got my new band name! Thanks!

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:00pm

re: #195 WriterMom

I watch far too many cartoons than I should already, which blunts the brain. Some of them are effing evil creations. The songs, the characters. My mother thinks some of them are created by child-hating transgendered freakazoids with serious mental issues.

She should try South Park sometime. Freaking hilarious with catchy songs. Start her on the movie. She'll be humming "Uncle Fucker" in no time. ;-)

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #172 yma o hyd

OT - its not Swine Flu!

WHO - virus is not 'swine flu'. It's H1N1 influenza A

Too late - swine flu it is and will remain forever!

It's Hiney(H1N1) flu.

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:39pm

re: #186 subsailor68

Hi yma! Hope you're doing great today. Have you seen this story:

Pensioner who tidied up allotment branded 'vigilante' by council

Pamela Dunn, a public-spirited pensioner who tidied up a rubbish-strewn allotment, was branded a vigilante by her local council in Dorset and told to stop.

(Fortunately, it has kind of a happy ending, after she went to a council meeting and 'splained some things to 'em.)

Thanks - no, am not a regular Telegraph reader.
But its typical for our NuLab infested local councils - they always go for the pensioners.
If that had been someone belonging to an 'ethnic minority', they wouldn't have said anything - well, given him/her a medal for community spirit. //

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:42pm

re: #197 Mad Al-Jaffee

Note to self: don't date girls from New Jersey.

That's up there with not eating at a place called "Mom's" and playing pool with a man called "Fats".

What's the difference between Jersey girls and trash?

Trash gets taken out.

(I'm gonna burn for that)

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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:43pm

re: #205 CyanSnowHawk

It's Hiney(H1N1) flu.

That's a name everyone can get behind.

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J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:30:57pm

re: #199 rawmuse

You're correct! I've seen the puke there too...(also forget the name of the program).

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:06pm

re: #203 Mad Al-Jaffee

And I have mine:

Don't Date Girls From New Jersey

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #200 WriterMom

The BBC is UNWATCHABLE. Did you see the parody of BBC done by that Israeli comedy show, I can't remember the name now..

I f you find it send it to me.

BBC...I think the Cartoon channel as mentioned above has more to offer. The shame of it is that the BBC makes some very good documentarys

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KenJen Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:43pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Let's not forget that.

Youtube Video

So I take it you didn't kill that little songbird this morning?

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:31:55pm

re: #209 J.S.

You're correct! I've seen the puke there too...(also forget the name of the program).

The host is the aging guy with the annoying demeanor and the comb-over.

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doppelganglander Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:05pm

re: #207 calcajun

That's up there with not eating at a place called "Mom's" and playing pool with a man called "Fats".

What's the difference between Jersey girls and trash?

Trash gets taken out.

(I'm gonna burn for that)

Hey!
/ex-Jersey girl

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #205 CyanSnowHawk

It's Hiney(H1N1) flu.

Thats a German name, innit - I knew they had something to do with it!

:-)))

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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:36pm

re: #207 calcajun

That's up there with not eating at a place called "Mom's" and playing pool with a man called "Fats".

What's the difference between Jersey girls and trash?

Trash gets taken out.

(I'm gonna burn for that)

A couple of "friends our ours" from NJ are gonna pay ya a visit

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UberInfidel67 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:36pm

Just a little FYI here: Last night I watched the newest episode of CSI New York. I know most of you don't watch tv, but if you have a chance to see this episode, DO IT. The title is Yahtzeit (sp?). Ed Asner starred. It was about a brooch Ed Asner's wife had. Anyway, he had the tattoo numbers on his arm. Turns out though he wasn't Jewish, he did the tat himself to blend in after the war. Needless to say, that great American Gary Sinise was LIVID when he found out. Long story short, check Hulu or Comcast Fancast or On Demand and watch this episode. It made me cry.

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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #190 jcm

Effin' Morons are running the asylum.

State joins Electoral College pact
Elections: Law backs winner of popular vote

Oh good grief. This is their way of circumventing the EC? Couldn't this come back to bite them? What if a Republican wins the popular vote, or don't they expect that ever to happen again?

Am I missing something?

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:32:54pm

re: #214 doppelganglander

It no longer applies to you--you are no longer cursed.

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quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:09pm

re: #138 bj

You're correct that the story of Lucifer doesn't appear in Tanak, but it does appear in secondary sources as a myth or legend. There's very little in Christianity that doesn't have sources somewhere in Judaism.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #216 Nevergiveup

A couple of "friends our ours" from NJ are gonna pay ya a visit

You got friends in Jersey? What exit?

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:46pm

re: #217 UberInfidel67

I have never watched any of the CSI shows. After watching Homicide and The Wire, other cop shows look silly to me. I did enjoy The Shield.

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:33:57pm

re: #212 KenJen

So I take it you didn't kill that little songbird this morning?

No but, I just squirted water at a huge bumble-bee at my window.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:07pm

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

That's a name everyone can get behind.

Is there some organization in the middle pf Kansas that has to come up with a change of words every other week ?

Man Made Disasters = Terrorism ? %*%^*^^

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #207 calcajun

*whack*

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:21pm

re: #199 rawmuse

Mr. Buchanan is a regular weekend panel member on PBS, forget which show it is, as I seldom watch it in its entirety.

Lest we get too enamored of throwing entire networks under the bus because of sometime appearances of undesirables...

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:23pm

re: #211 Earth56

MUST WATCH

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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:33pm

re: #169 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is it shaved?

re: #181 Honorary Yooper

Nope, nice and fluffy.

You two aren't going to get into a wide variety description a la Cheech Marin in Dusk to Dawn, are you?

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nyc redneck Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:45pm

re: #217 UberInfidel67

Just a little FYI here: Last night I watched the newest episode of CSI New York. I know most of you don't watch tv, but if you have a chance to see this episode, DO IT. The title is Yahtzeit (sp?). Ed Asner starred. It was about a brooch Ed Asner's wife had. Anyway, he had the tattoo numbers on his arm. Turns out though he wasn't Jewish, he did the tat himself to blend in after the war. Needless to say, that great American Gary Sinise was LIVID when he found out. Long story short, check Hulu or Comcast Fancast or On Demand and watch this episode. It made me cry.

i love gary sinise. a real patriot.

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:51pm

Speaking of cartoons ...

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J.S. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:34:53pm

re: #213 rawmuse

Is that Bill Moyers you're thinking of ? (I can't stand Moyers).

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alegrias Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:19pm

OT
Maersk "Alabama" Captain is testifying on Capitol Hill about how the UN doesn't want ships to defend themselves against pirates. They don't actually say "no" to armed guards, says the witness.

(Fox News)

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:19pm

re: #221 calcajun

I have family in Cherry Hill.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:24pm

re: #228 Russkilitlover

You two aren't going to get into a wide variety description a la Cheech Marin in Dusk to Dawn, are you?

It's just a pussy, not a beaver.

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KenJen Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:32pm

re: #223 MandyManners

No but, I just squirted water at a huge bumble-bee at my window.

Water boarding bumble bees is a crime. Obama's gonna get you.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:37pm

re: #226 rawmuse

Lest we get too enamored of throwing entire networks under the bus because of sometime appearances of undesirables...

Exactly. I keep coming back to LGF, even though Charles lets guys like OR post...

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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:44pm

re: #200 WriterMom

The BBC is UNWATCHABLE. Did you see the parody of BBC done by that Israeli comedy show, I can't remember the name now..

Eretz Nehaderet

Youtube Video

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:35:59pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

It's just a pussy, not a beaver.

Is it stuffed?

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:03pm

re: #217 UberInfidel67

Maybe "Yarzheit", that's the anniversary of someone's death in Yiddish.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:20pm

re: #238 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Is it stuffed?

Yep.

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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:33pm

re: #218 capitalist piglet

Oh good grief. This is their way of circumventing the EC? Couldn't this come back to bite them? What if a Republican wins the popular vote, or don't they expect that ever to happen again?

Am I missing something?

There a quite a few people in many states who think the EC is outdated, or unfair. Washingtonians who think this is a good idea might want to talk to folks in, oh, say Wyoming or South Dakota. Without the EC, they might as well not even vote.

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:35pm

re: #218 capitalist piglet

Oh good grief. This is their way of circumventing the EC? Couldn't this come back to bite them? What if a Republican wins the popular vote, or don't they expect that ever to happen again?

Am I missing something?

That, and it undermines the little bit of balance in presidential elections there is with the EC. If it is strictly popular vote NY and CA are all that matters.

They've already upset that balance by limiting Representatives to 435, instead of being strictly proportional.

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:36pm

re: #231 J.S.

Is that Bill Moyers you're thinking of ? (I can't stand Moyers).

There is a list of people that I don't allow in between my ears, and Mr. Moyers is one, Alex Jones is another, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Joe Biden, and others.

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:38pm

re: #217 UberInfidel67

Just a little FYI here: Last night I watched the newest episode of CSI New York. I know most of you don't watch tv, but if you have a chance to see this episode, DO IT. The title is Yahtzeit (sp?). Ed Asner starred. It was about a brooch Ed Asner's wife had. Anyway, he had the tattoo numbers on his arm. Turns out though he wasn't Jewish, he did the tat himself to blend in after the war. Needless to say, that great American Gary Sinise was LIVID when he found out. Long story short, check Hulu or Comcast Fancast or On Demand and watch this episode. It made me cry.

They stole that from Magnum P.I. episode.

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:38pm

re: #237 Alouette

Totally hilarious.

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UberInfidel67 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:40pm

re: #222 Mad Al-Jaffee
This was a very powerful and emotional episode. It was done beautifully and with great respect to Survivors.

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:51pm

re: #201 MandyManners

I love attending after my shift at the buggy-whip factory.

Yes, and nice indeed, altho' the best value is in the Saturday matinee. You gets the newsreel, two shorts, and the main show. All-day entertainment and information for a nickel a throw. Hard to beat, even in these times.

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quickjustice Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:55pm

re: #190 jcm

The electoral college was designed to protect small states from abuses by big states. That's because their populations are so small. If the popular vote were determinative, large states like California could win presidential elections by themselves if an overwhelming majority of their voters went for a particular candidate, swamping the voters of smaller states.

By short-circuiting the electoral checks and balances, these states are hurting themselves, and ceding selection of the president to large states. That's very, very foolish.

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Yashmak Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #97 jcm

Pat,

Jesus offered himself in the place of others.

Demjanjuk participated in the slaughter of thousands.

And the kindest thing I could say is you've gone senile and should check into a home.

Maybe he could get a room with Jimmy Carter, and they could play Hamas apologist monopoly in their waning years.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:00pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

It's just a pussy, not a beaver.

See you next Tuesday.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:03pm

re: #225 MandyManners

I told them you still had the stick, but they did not believe me.

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:07pm

re: #223 MandyManners

No but, I just squirted water at a huge bumble-bee at my window.

Aww ...
Bumble bees are lovely, they are good pollinators, and I cherish them because there are serious problems with the bee populations here in the UK.

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Macker Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:16pm

re: #172 yma o hyd

Just as the 1918 pandemic was the Spanish Flu, perhaps this one should be coined "Mexican Flu"....

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Teacake! Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:39pm

A Christian is comparing his god to a nazi?

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:42pm

re: #246 UberInfidel67

This was a very powerful and emotional episode. It was done beautifully and with great respect to Survivors.

Isn't Ed Asner a total loonie moonbat?

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:43pm

re: #244 MandyManners

Mandy! When I was in Israel, we took the kids to visit my husband's best friend-he's a fireman. He let my kids "drive" the truck around the station. I have a picture of myself in an Israeli fireman's hat. I just had to share that with you..

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:37:52pm

Pat Buchanan given voice to spread his ignorance and hate at Human Events. It's a perfect math given that Human Events honored Jesse Helms at CPAC this year.

Looks like they have Gov. Mark "Young Earth Creationist" Sanford on the cover page of their website. His most unintelligible foray into science being: The idea of there being a, you know, a little mud hole and two mosquitoes get together and the next thing you know you have a human being* is completely at odds with, you know, one of the laws of thermodynamics which is the law of, of ... in essence, destruction.

I wonder if Human Events will be a part of the re-branding that Michael Steele mentioned this morning.

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UberInfidel67 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:03pm

re: #239 WriterMom
Yep...that was it! Thank you : )

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WriterMom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:27pm

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yes.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not total--but close.

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Cicero05 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:49pm

The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.

Buchanan's pretty free with his forgiveness when it comes to people who tortured and killed Jews. I guess it doesn't cost him anything -- after all, he's not Jewish -- so what the hell.

Creep.

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:51pm

re: #207 calcajun

That's up there with not eating at a place called "Mom's" and playing pool with a man called "Fats".

What's the difference between Jersey girls and trash?

Trash gets taken out.

(I'm gonna burn for that)

Moose and a Maine girl?

Twenty pounds and a flannel shirt.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:38:51pm

re: #256 WriterMom

Mandy! When I was in Israel, we took the kids to visit my husband's best friend-he's a fireman. He let my kids "drive" the truck around the station. I have a picture of myself in an Israeli fireman's hat. I just had to share that with you..

My mother has a picture of me in Israel holding an Uzi. I was 12 years old at the time. Me and my brother were upset that they didn't let us shoot the Uzi.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:39:16pm

re: #242 jcm

That, and it undermines the little bit of balance in presidential elections there is with the EC. If it is strictly popular vote NY and CA are all that matters.

They've already upset that balance by limiting Representatives to 435, instead of being strictly proportional.

That's one of my pet peeves. The House needs very much to increase in size. Otherwise, we'll wind up with California, Texas, Florida, and New York holding most of the votes against a lot of states with only a few Representatives. Really, we should have no more than 500,000 to a congressional district, and maybe closer to only 250,000. And it should grow rather than be redistricted.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #227 WriterMom

MUST WATCH

Moocho Thanks !

That was so on target and hilarious !

Should we send it to the BBC ?

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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:39:36pm

re: #186 subsailor68

Hi yma! Hope you're doing great today. Have you seen this story:

Pensioner who tidied up allotment branded 'vigilante' by council

Pamela Dunn, a public-spirited pensioner who tidied up a rubbish-strewn allotment, was branded a vigilante by her local council in Dorset and told to stop.

(Fortunately, it has kind of a happy ending, after she went to a council meeting and 'splained some things to 'em.)

File under Sense, Common, Death of

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:39:41pm

re: #248 quickjustice

The electoral college was designed to protect small states from abuses by big states. That's because their populations are so small. If the popular vote were determinative, large states like California could win presidential elections by themselves if an overwhelming majority of their voters went for a particular candidate, swamping the voters of smaller states.

By short-circuiting the electoral checks and balances, these states are hurting themselves, and ceding selection of the president to large states. That's very, very foolish.

Bingo. This action is a re-action to the perceived unjustice of 2000.

When did civics classes stop teaching WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY?

Oh that's right, civics got dropped in favor of self esteem building.

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UberInfidel67 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #255 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know. Is he? OMG I really liked him too, but not in this episode.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #243 rawmuse

Joe Biden.

Anyone catch what our august VP said today about how we should all avoid closed and confined spaces. What a twit.

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:40:45pm

re: #269 calcajun

Anyone catch what our august VP said today about how we should all avoid closed and confined spaces. What a twit.

I wouldn't want to be caught in an elevator with him, would you?

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:00pm

re: #254 Teacake!

A Christian is comparing his god to a nazi?

Anti-Semitism transcends reason.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:09pm

re: #262 Guanxi88

INCOMING!

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:22pm

re: #269 calcajun

Anyone catch what our august VP said today about how we should all avoid closed and confined spaces.

At the same time, we're all supposed to use public transportation to stop ManBearPig!

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:54pm

re: #264 Honorary Yooper

That's one of my pet peeves. The House needs very much to increase in size. Otherwise, we'll wind up with California, Texas, Florida, and New York holding most of the votes against a lot of states with only a few Representatives. Really, we should have no more than 500,000 to a congressional district, and maybe closer to only 250,000. And it should grow rather than be redistricted.

I wonder how many people know the House of Representatives is not longer proportionally representative but has been capped since 1920?

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:57pm

re: #272 calcajun

INCOMING!

Hell, folks up there are still waiting for the July thaw. I figure their computers are still frozen solid. And they can't read, anyway.

///

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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:58pm

re: #253 Macker

Just as the 1918 pandemic was the Spanish Flu, perhaps this one should be coined "Mexican Flu"....

Great idea!

[Link: www.google.com...]
[Link: www.radionetherlands.nl...]

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:58pm

re: #264 Honorary Yooper

That's one of my pet peeves. The House needs very much to increase in size. Otherwise, we'll wind up with California, Texas, Florida, and New York holding most of the votes against a lot of states with only a few Representatives. Really, we should have no more than 500,000 to a congressional district, and maybe closer to only 250,000. And it should grow rather than be redistricted.

Well, Obama and Rahm are going to make sure whatever configuration comes from the Census will favor the Dems....it won't matter. Mr. Gerry(mander) is alive and well and residing at 1600 Pennsylvania this time around.

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Catttt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:41:58pm

Jesus Christ.

Not Jesus Christ or anything close.

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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:42:13pm

re: #269 calcajun

Anyone catch what our august VP said today about how we should all avoid closed and confined spaces. What a twit.

Don't blame Joe. When he made that statement, FDR hadn't yet been on television, telling us all what to do.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:42:29pm

re: #270 Guanxi88

Five minutes alone--yes.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:42:35pm

re: #269 calcajun

Anyone catch what our august VP said today about how we should all avoid closed and confined spaces. What a twit.

I think we should all avoid Joe Biden...or ignore him or both

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:09pm

re: #279 capitalist piglet

Don't blame Joe. When he made that statement, FDR hadn't yet been on television, telling us all what to do.

I know--it's a brain infection from the bad plugs.

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doppelganglander Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:30pm

re: #219 calcajun

It no longer applies to you--you are no longer cursed.

Well, I don't get taken out, but that's because I'm married.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:35pm

re: #281 Desert Dog

I think we should all avoid Joe Biden...or ignore him or both

Joe reminds me of the guy that used to try to sell you the undercoating for the car.

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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:43:48pm

re: #280 calcajun

Five minutes alone--yes.

I figure he'd overpower just about anyone with the sheer power of his boorish stupidity.

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:44:27pm

re: #269 calcajun

Anyone catch what our august VP said today about how we should all avoid closed and confined spaces. What a twit.

Actually, the one time he says something that is common sense, he gets dumped on. Almost every time I take a plane trip, I get sick later. I for one, am avoiding crowds and BART trains for a bit, until we figure out what the heck this thing is.

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:44:34pm

re: #267 jcm

Bingo. This action is a re-action to the perceived unjustice of 2000.

When did civics classes stop teaching WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY?

Oh that's right, civics got dropped in favor of self esteem building.

REPUBLIC!

/In my best impression of a Roman Legionnaire.

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:44:42pm

In a recent column for Human Events, Pat Buchanan compares Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk to Jesus Christ.

In a different location, Jesus Christ compares Pat Buchanan to Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:44:46pm

re: #284 doppelganglander

Shame on your husband--spouses should continue to date each other after they're married.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:45:14pm

re: #285 Earth56

Joe reminds me of the guy that used to try to sell you the undercoating for the car.

He's so dumb, he'd try to sell you the undercoating, but forget to sell you the car.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:45:26pm

re: #270 Guanxi88

I wouldn't want to be caught in an elevator with him, would you?

Is stupid contagious? What about pomposity? He should cover his mouth when he speaks, he is spreading that stupidity all over the place

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:45:38pm

re: #286 Guanxi88

I figure he'd overpower just about anyone with the sheer power of his boorish stupidity.

Or blind you with those porcelain crowns.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:46:00pm

re: #289 haakondahl

In a different location, Jesus Christ compares Pat Buchanan to Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk.

That is much better comparison! ha ha

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Kenneth Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:46:14pm

re: #265 Earth56

Should we send it to the BBC ?

They wouldn't get the satire. At the BBC, open Jew hatred has overtaken Marxism as the general tone.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:46:51pm

re: #287 rawmuse

I know it's common sense, but the way he delivered the line --it was with the a sense of panic. It came out very badly.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:47:04pm

re: #285 Earth56

Joe reminds me of the guy that used to try to sell you the undercoating for the car.

"Well...he never done this before. My boss said I can take $100 off of that Truecoat!"

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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:47:05pm

bbiaw. Check this group out. They seem (as Abbey likes to say) hinky.

*http:slashslashwwwdotwesternyouthdotorg/indexdothtm*

Will not provide a direct link as they may or may not be acceptable to Charles.

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:47:51pm

re: #296 calcajun

I know it's common sense, but the way he delivered the line --it was with the a sense of panic. It came out very badly.

The man is non-stop gaffe generator, no doubt about it. If I were Obama, I would muzzle him for the duration.

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:48:13pm

re: #287 rawmuse

Actually, the one time he says something that is common sense, he gets dumped on. Almost every time I take a plane trip, I get sick later. I for one, am avoiding crowds and BART trains for a bit, until we figure out what the heck this thing is.

Influenza A(H1N1) - update 6

30 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 17:00 GMT, 30 April 2009, 11 countries have officially reported 257 cases of influenza A (H1N1) infection.
The United States Government has reported 109 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death. Mexico has reported 97 confirmed human cases of infection, including seven deaths.

The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (19), Germany (3), Israel (2), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (3), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (8).

Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.

WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.

There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.

Worldwide 257 cases, 7 dead.
No travel restrictions.

The media and Biden are out of control.

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avanti Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:48:45pm

re: #284 doppelganglander

Well, I don't get taken out, but that's because I'm married.

My wife and I go out on a date at least once a week. She's goes line dancing with friends on Weds, and I go to the casino with a friend on Fridays. :)

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:48:56pm

re: #299 rawmuse

The man is non-stop gaffe generator, no doubt about it. If I were Obama, I would muzzle him for the duration.

Let's hope Obama keeps him untethered and unmuzzled for as long as possible. He is an anchor around Obama's neck

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nyc redneck Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:49:02pm

re: #299 rawmuse

The man is non-stop gaffe generator, no doubt about it. If I were Obama, I would muzzle him for the duration.

o won't muzzle him.
biden is allowed to gaffe it up so o will not look so bad by comparison.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:49:39pm

re: #291 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's so dumb, he'd try to sell you the undercoating, but forget to sell you the car.

Actually back in the mid-70s the dealership wanted to charge me for a sideview mirror for a barnd new van with no windows on the sides.

I asked him if the steering wheel was also optional ?

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opinionated Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:49:58pm

What do you all think of this, a "mainstream" financial adviser -who believes the economy will get much worse- implies Jews are therefore in danger in the US and should escape to Asia.

[Link: politicalmavens.com...]

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:50:05pm

re: #300 jcm

Thanks for that. I did not live to my advanced years by being a fool :)

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:50:07pm

re: #290 calcajun

Shame on your husband--spouses should continue to date each other after they're married.

Like the Clintons. Wait, you said each other.

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Earth56 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:50:29pm

re: #295 Kenneth

They wouldn't get the satire. At the BBC, open Jew hatred has overtaken Marxism as the general tone.

and people in Britain are forced too pay for the propoganda

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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:50:42pm

re: #296 calcajun

I know it's common sense, but the way he delivered the line --it was with the a sense of panic. It came out very badly.

Part of his trouble is he always wants to sound like a big shot. That business about telling Bush no one was following him came back to bite him in the ass, too.

He's got a Walter Mitty thing going on. The fact that someone with his issues is second in line for the presidency is pretty scary, when you think about it.

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Nevergiveup Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:51:06pm

re: #307 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Like the Clintons. Wait, you said each other.

Well in that case, under the circumstances, considering who they are, what can I say?

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:51:22pm

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KenJen Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:51:34pm

Pat B. quotes

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Land Shark Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:51:52pm

re: #102 Iron Fist

When I was in the Air Force and stationed in Central Louisiana, depending on the direction the wind was blowing from, we'd get blasted by the stench from paper mills. I never knew a place could smell so bad. But yes, we did get used to it.

Though whenever I went on leave and came back, my first whiff of the Eau Du Paper Mills Par-fume would almost make me nauseous.

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:51:52pm

Human Events puts out a list of what they consider Harmful Books:

Here is the list of "other books" they consider harmful:

The Population Bomb, by Paul Ehrlich
On Liberty, by John Stuart Mill
The Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin
Coming of Age in Samoa, by Margaret Mead
Silent Spring, by Rachel Carson
Introduction to Psychoanalysis, by Sigmund Freud

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:52:11pm

re: #309 capitalist piglet

Part of his trouble is he always wants to sound like a big shot. That business about telling Bush no one was following him came back to bite him in the ass, too.

He's got a Walter Mitty thing going on. The fact that someone with his issues is second in line for the presidency is pretty scary, when you think about it.

Perhaps it was seared into his memory...oh wait, that is another lying Dem prone to exaggeration and outright making sh*t up...sorry

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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:52:17pm

I think the reaction to Joe Biden's statement was more irritation that he thinks he needs to lecture the American people. Same (at least for me) goes for Obama, Holder, Sebelius, and Napolitano. If the Surgeon General of the US makes these pronouncements, well, okay.

Oops.

No Surgeon General.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:52:27pm

re: #309 capitalist piglet

Part of his trouble is he always wants to sound like a big shot. That business about telling Bush no one was following him came back to bite him in the ass, too.

He's got a Walter Mitty thing going on. The fact that someone with his issues is second in line for the presidency is pretty scary, when you think about it.

The President has a few issues of his own.

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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:53:49pm

re: #317 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The President has a few issues of his own.

Well, yes, that was certainly in the back of my mind.

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funky chicken Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:54:31pm

re: #3 JohnnyReb

Never heard of the human events place. Do they spew madness often?

It's a fairly prominent "conservative" website and magazine.

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:54:36pm

I have been poring over the PBS schedule hoping to find out the name of the show on which P. Buchanan is regular. It is called "The McLaughin Group" and Buchanan has been a regular panel commentator for years and years.

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flyovercountry Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:54:37pm

This is the danger of an, "our side your side," world. Pat Buchanan is lumped in as a conservative. Many on the right feel we must support this ignorant jerk for that reason alone. He can inflict his craziness upon the world wearing the mantle of conservative values, given a pass by his enablers. Buchanan should be distanced from the political right. the truth is, nuts can be found on both sides of the spectrum.

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:55:00pm

re: #316 subsailor68

I think the reaction to Joe Biden's statement was more irritation that he thinks he needs to lecture the American people. Same (at least for me) goes for Obama, Holder, Sebelius, and Napolitano. If the Surgeon General of the US makes these pronouncements, well, okay.

Oops.

No Surgeon General.

Now who is going to tell us that Josling the Elder is okay?

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:55:25pm

re: #313 Land Shark

When I was in the Air Force and stationed in Central Louisiana, depending on the direction the wind was blowing from, we'd get blasted by the stench from paper mills. I never knew a place could smell so bad. But yes, we did get used to it.

Though whenever I went on leave and came back, my first whiff of the Eau Du Paper Mills Par-fume would almost make me nauseous.

Many of my customers are printers. When you walk into a big web press, besides the deafening noise, you get a nose full of ink, paper and other chemicals. I always ask them: "How do you stand that smell?". And, they always answer: "What smell?"

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:55:30pm

re: #307 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was very careful in selecting my words for that one.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:55:30pm

re: #314 Gus 802

Human Events puts out a list of what they consider Harmful Books:

Here is the list of "other books" they consider harmful:

The Population Bomb, by Paul Ehrlich
On Liberty, by John Stuart Mill
The Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin
Coming of Age in Samoa, by Margaret Mead
Silent Spring, by Rachel Carson
Introduction to Psychoanalysis, by Sigmund Freud

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Half of those are bunk. But I do cringe whenever a book is considered "dangerous."

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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:56:32pm

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

Now who is going to tell us that Josling the Elder is okay?

LOL! Don't ya just know what she'd recommend if you come down with flu symptoms?

;-)

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:56:37pm

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

Now who is going to tell us that Josling the Elder is okay?

Is that another euphemism for,... y'know...

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:57:21pm

re: #325 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Half of those are bunk. But I do cringe whenever a book is considered "dangerous."

"Burn the books!" No doubt that's the implied tone when one sees a list of "dangerous books."

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:57:26pm

Ann Coulter is also on the staff of Human Events.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:57:29pm

re: #282 taxfreekiller

For Cato the Old Elder

[Link: www.climatedepot.com...]

Al Gore's got fat and fact problems.

Now Obama and the commie liars bait and switch to Ozone once more.

its got a more sexy sound, works with lies better

Only trouble is, that site is confused.

By climbing a 140-foot crane and unfurling a large banner around sunrise yesterday, seven Greenpeace protesters made their "Stop Global Warming" message heard loud and clear to 17 environmental leaders from around the world -- and in the process ruined the Monday morning commute for thousands of Washingtonians and (oops!) actually contributed to global warming.

If there is no global warming, how can someone contribute to it?

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:57:30pm

re: #306 rawmuse

Thanks for that. I did not live to my advanced years by being a fool :)

LOL!

At this point ordinary flu seasons precautions are in order. US annual flu deaths are 30,000.

What's got WHO and others worried is the type H1N1 which is the same type as the 1918 epidemic influenza. H1N1 is easily transmissible and virulent. However this one seems to burn out quickly, i.e. mutates rapid to less virulent with each generation. Which is why we haven't seen numbers increasing dramatically every few days.

Most flus are a different sub-type, like an H2N5 etc...

And yes airplanes suck for getting sick.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:57:43pm

re: #323 Desert Dog

Many of my customers are printers. When you walk into a big web press, besides the deafening noise, you get a nose full of ink, paper and other chemicals. I always ask them: "How do you stand that smell?". And, they always answer: "What smell?"

the amazing olfactory...can forget a bad oder very quickly then recall it, maybe decades later just as quickly

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:58:12pm

re: #333 albusteve

the amazing olfactory...can forget a bad oder very quickly then recall it, maybe decades later just as quickly

My dog has no nose....

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lawhawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:58:21pm

Most prolific serial killer in LA uncovered through DNA check of a man arrested on sexual assaults:

Police believe a 72-year-old insurance claims adjuster arrested earlier this month is the most prolific serial killer in the city's history, having raped and strangled as many as 30 older women over two decades.
The break in the cold case came in October when John Floyd Thomas Jr., who had twice been convicted of sexual assault, had a DNA sample taken as part of an effort to build an offender database.

Thomas was charged April 2 with murdering one woman in 1972 and another in 1976. DNA matching Thomas' was found at three other crime scenes in the 1970s and '80s, Los Angeles police cold case Detective Richard Bengston told the Los Angeles Times in a story published Thursday.

Detectives now consider Thomas also a suspect in two waves of killings that left at least 22 women dead based on the circumstances of the crimes, the newspaper reported. It could not be immediately determined where the other killings took place.

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debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #332 jcm

LOL!

At this point ordinary flu seasons precautions are in order. US annual flu deaths are 30,000.

What's got WHO and others worried is the type H1N1 which is the same type as the 1918 epidemic influenza. H1N1 is easily transmissible and virulent. However this one seems to burn out quickly, i.e. mutates rapid to less virulent with each generation. Which is why we haven't seen numbers increasing dramatically every few days.

Most flus are a different sub-type, like an H2N5 etc...

And yes airplanes suck for getting sick.

I sure enjoy the recycled air.

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:59:15pm

re: #330 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ann Coulter is also on the staff of Human Events.

She's on my shit list, too, but much further down than Buchanan. He's near the top.

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:59:19pm

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avanti Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:59:21pm

re: #311 taxfreekiller

avanti

we know your a dick head no need to post facts on how you disregard your wife to back it up......

I don't disregard my wife, we'll be married 40 years in May. I guess since I don't like to line dance, and she does not like to gamble, we could both give up what we love, but we prefer our way.

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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:59:40pm

re: #333 albusteve

the amazing olfactory...can forget a bad oder very quickly then recall it, maybe decades later just as quickly

People who work on an auto assembly line have no appreciation for "new car smell."

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 12:59:47pm

re: #331 Cato the Elder

If there is no global warming, how can someone contribute to it?

I am not familiar with Climate Depot but you might be interested in reading this who started that web site: Marc Morano.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:00:06pm

re: #330 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ann Coulter is also on the staff of Human Events.

You know, that came out so wrong on so many levels./

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #340 Alouette

People who work on an auto assembly line have no appreciation for "new car smell."

ahhh!...the smell of DEBT!

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #332 jcm

The last really nasty bug I got was (I think) a norovirus, which put me in a personal gastro-intestinal Hell for about 30 hours, during which period I lost five pounds, and frequently searched the ceramic basin for my man parts, which was where I convinced they had to be.

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:00:39pm

OT:

Research that will help us adapt to a dryer climate.

UC researchers isolate drought-fighting plant gene

This assumes that Luddite European resistance to GM foods doesn't prevent its use.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:00:50pm

re: #339 avanti

I don't disregard my wife, we'll be married 40 years in May. I guess since I don't like to line dance, and she does not like to gamble, we could both give up what we love, but we prefer our way.

Of course she likes to gamble - she married you, didn't she? ;)

/just kidding - early Happy Anniversary wishes for the both of you.

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:01:33pm

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:01:52pm

re: #343 albusteve

ahhh!...the smell of DEBT!

They are all smelling their jobs going goodbye now.

Fiat? Why not Yugo instead?

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:02:23pm

re: #345 CyanSnowHawk

OT:

Research that will help us adapt to a dryer climate.

UC researchers isolate drought-fighting plant gene

This assumes that Luddite European resistance to GM foods doesn't prevent its use.

Will the UAW own 55% of GM Foods too?

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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:02:30pm

re: #341 Gus 802

I am not familiar with Climate Depot but you might be interested in reading this who started that web site: Marc Morano.

Imagine my shock.

I've bookmarked SourceWatch.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #348 Desert Dog

They are all smelling their jobs going goodbye now.

Fiat? Why not Yugo instead?

well don't make a Thing out of it....

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:21pm

re: #339 avanti

I don't disregard my wife, we'll be married 40 years in May. I guess since I don't like to line dance, and she does not like to gamble, we could both give up what we love, but we prefer our way.

Good for you, Avanti. Mrs. Desert Dog and I just celebrated 22 years of marital bliss last week.

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debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:26pm

re: #348 Desert Dog

They are all smelling their jobs going goodbye now.

Fiat? Why not Yugo instead?

The Yugo is manufactured with no driver's side window.

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hokiepride Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:27pm

Pat Buchanan is a vile racist and anti-semite. If the Conservative movement wants to re-invent itself, it needs more Buckleys and Reagans and less Buchanans. Buchanan and the rest of the "conservatives" that cannot get past someone's religion and ethnicity need to be kicked to the curb. The paleo-whatevers and their fellow-travelers need to be sidelined, otherwise the left will use this to kill the GOP amongst the newer generation and minorities.

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nikis-knight Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:44pm

re: #325 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Half of those are bunk. But I do cringe whenever a book is considered "dangerous."

There are books that advance dangerous, usually wrong, ideas, explicitly or implicitly. But the point of pointing it out should be to prepare a rebuttal, not coerce suppression.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:46pm

re: #342 calcajun

You know, that came out so wrong on so many levels./

Came out or in and out?

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Russkilitlover Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #339 avanti

I don't disregard my wife, we'll be married 40 years in May. I guess since I don't like to line dance, and she does not like to gamble, we could both give up what we love, but we prefer our way.

Hubby and I have a few similar arrangements. We'll have been married 29 years this coming January. I personally believe so many marriages fail because people think if they are not glued to the hip, and lock-step in their thoughts then their marriage is a failure.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:04pm

re: #351 albusteve

I saw one of those in my kids High School parking lot. I was amazed it was still running!

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #350 Cato the Elder

Imagine my shock.

I've bookmarked SourceWatch.

Yeah, no big surprise is it. It's just a front site for other interests and not really devoted to science.

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:30pm

re: #348 Desert Dog

They are all smelling their jobs going goodbye now.

Fiat? Why not Yugo instead?

Why not Lada?

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:32pm

re: #339 avanti

I don't disregard my wife, we'll be married 40 years in May. I guess since I don't like to line dance, and she does not like to gamble, we could both give up what we love, but we prefer our way.

Forty years! Congrats!

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:36pm

re: #344 rawmuse

The last really nasty bug I got was (I think) a norovirus, which put me in a personal gastro-intestinal Hell for about 30 hours, during which period I lost five pounds, and frequently searched the ceramic basin for my man parts, which was where I convinced they had to be.

I've done the norovirus dance myself. Hell it is.

Despite all the hype in the news over this, I'm amazed at how many in my office still don't wash their hands after making a pit stop. *GAH*

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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:44pm

re: #321 flyovercountry

This is the danger of an, "our side your side," world. Pat Buchanan is lumped in as a conservative. Many on the right feel we must support this ignorant jerk for that reason alone. He can inflict his craziness upon the world wearing the mantle of conservative values, given a pass by his enablers. Buchanan should be distanced from the political right. the truth is, nuts can be found on both sides of the spectrum.

He was distanced already. William F. Buckley wrote an entire book denouncing Buchanan and Joseph Sobran as antisemites, decades ago.

And now he's back.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:04:45pm

re: #359 Desert Dog

I saw one of those in my kids High School parking lot. I was amazed it was still running!

It is a classic VW - plenty of those still on the roads.

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hazzyday Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:05:50pm

Out of this story I found this site. http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ I can't vouch for the author but it seems legit.

Also on Demjanjuk the Cleveland Plain dealer wrote what I thought was a good synopsis.

What I think is important in terms of society is that persons participating in genocide need to know that it is death to do so regardless of where in the world it happened.

For justice Demjanjuk should go through the same fate as the other conscripted Sobibor guards. The PDF's in the article note that Demjanjuk comes out of an area of Europe that was particularly anti-Semitic. And that he probably had no issues with the "Final Solution" And was recruited to this particular post for that particular reason. He fled post WWII europe under false pretenses and that abrogates the justice occurring at the end of WWII. He is liable to be tried under new circumstances. I don't think Demjanjuk has been upfront about his activities and probably never will.

Since he was falsely prosecuted and convicted and sentenced to death I think it is questionable to shake the dust out his past except as a lesson for modern generations. Israel decided to let him go. The publicity polarizes this activity. It is good to not forget, Is it bad to falsely convict. Trying someone over and over and over until the desired verdict is achieved is a very bad thing to do in a democracy. I would give him one more trial for being dishonest on his immigration papers. Do it in Germany. Accept their decision.

Pat Buchanan is a dirty crotchety old man. DCOM. Same as Jimmy Carter, Same as the wedge doc author, Same as Rev Wright, Same as David Duke. Why he has a voice or input into anything I don't know. It just validates him more.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:06:34pm

re: #363 jcm

I've done the norovirus dance myself. Hell it is.

Despite all the hype in the news over this, I'm amazed at how many in my office still don't wash their hands after making a pit stop. *GAH*

I was in a restroom in a Chinese restaurant once & some wag defaced the sign so it read "Employees must wash hands before returning to wok."

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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:07:25pm

re: #341 Gus 802

I am not familiar with Climate Depot but you might be interested in reading this who started that web site: Marc Morano.

A large percentage of climate change denial sites are either: 1) funded by the energy industry, or 2) run by religious fanatics like James Inhofe.

The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is another one -- it's a front group for ExxonMobil.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

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looking closely Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:07:43pm

re: #364 Charles

He was distanced already. William F. Buckley wrote an entire book denouncing Buchanan and Joseph Sobran as antisemites, decades ago.

And now he's back.

Its not like he really went anywhere, its just that his most effective critic has died.

And speaking off, that's a heck of a byline you got there.

The three names that every Jew loves to see together: Pat Buchanan, Jesus Christ, and John Demjanjuk!

Too bad Buchanan couldn't have squeezed Hitler in there somehow.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:04pm

re: #359 Desert Dog

I saw one of those in my kids High School parking lot. I was amazed it was still running!

saw one a week ago...original condition from CO Springs....dead, would not pull any gas up...the guy was obviously not a vintage VW owner since he had narry a screwdriver with him...I told him exactly what was wrong with it but he just glared at me, so I left him to his VW Misery

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:10pm

re: #367 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was in a restroom in a Chinese restaurant once & some wag defaced the sign so it read "Employees must wash hands before returning to wok."

Reminds me of the best men's room graffitti I ever saw, written on a condom machine: "This gum tastes funny, and it's hard to chew."

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:16pm

re: #364 Charles

He was distanced already. William F. Buckley wrote an entire book denouncing Buchanan and Joseph Sobran as antisemites, decades ago.

And now he's back.

That filthy toad must have been waiting for WFB to shuffle off...

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It is a classic VW - plenty of those still on the roads.

Well, you know the Germans make great stuff.

/Channeling my inner Vince.

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avanti Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:09:09pm

re: #346 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course she likes to gamble - she married you, didn't she? ;)

/just kidding - early Happy Anniversary wishes for the both of you.

I got lucky, I had been friends with my future wife's girl friend, and she decided I was a good pick and introduced us. Both my wife and me are still friends with that gal. Not only did I get a great wife, but a wonderful mother in law. She died a few years back, but was a peach, miss her still.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:09:17pm

re: #373 CyanSnowHawk

Well, you know the Germans make great stuff.

/Channeling my inner Vince.

And they love David Hasselhoff.

/Channeling my inner Norm MacDonald.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:09:21pm

Spencer, Pamela and Geert get a slap from the Anti-Defamation League....
ADL Condemns Anti-Islam Remarks Made by Dutch Parliamentarian During Appearances in S. Florida

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) strongly condemns remarks made over the last few days at various appearances throughout South Florida by Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders. In his speeches, he claimed that "Islam is not a religion" and "the right to religious freedom should not apply to this totalitarian ideology called Islam." Mr. Wilders also stated that the Koran is a book of hatred, and that Mohammed was both "a pedophile and a warlord."

Andrew Rosenkranz, ADL Florida Regional Director, issued the following statement:

The ADL strongly condemns Geert Wilders' message of hate against Islam as inflammatory, divisive and antithetical to American democratic ideals.

This rhetoric is dangerous and incendiary, and wrongly focuses on Islam as a religion, as opposed to the very real threat of extremist, radical Islamists.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:09:57pm

the Thing

Image: 1973_vw_thing.jpg

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looking closely Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:10:10pm

re: #371 Mad Al-Jaffee

Reminds me of the best men's room graffitti I ever saw, written on a condom machine: "This gum tastes funny, and it's hard to chew."

/But you can blow AWESOME bubbles!

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:10:10pm

re: #371 Mad Al-Jaffee

Reminds me of the best men's room graffitti I ever saw, written on a condom machine: "This gum tastes funny, and it's hard to chew."

I was in a bathroom once & someone wrote captions under the automatic hand-dryer pictograms: "1. Push Button." "2. Receive bacon." (picture the red wavy lines)

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:10:18pm

re: #369 looking closely

Too bad Buchanan couldn't have squeezed Hitler in there somehow.

Perhaps Human Events has a rule against recursion.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:10:28pm

re: #371 Mad Al-Jaffee

Reminds me of the best men's room graffitti I ever saw, written on a condom machine: "This gum tastes funny, and it's hard to chew."

Two of the best:

"Be back in ten minutes-please wait.--Godot"

On a broken toilet; "Wiggle handel" Beneath it was written; "Will it wiggle bach"

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:10:58pm

re: #373 CyanSnowHawk

Well, you know the Germans make great stuff.

/Channeling my inner Vince.

Another euphemism for...

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rawmuse Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:11:47pm

re: #372 haakondahl

That filthy toad must have been waiting for WFB to shuffle off...

No, he has been on "McLaughlin Group" on PBS for a long time, years.

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #368 Charles

A large percentage of climate change denial sites are either: 1) funded by the energy industry, or 2) run by religious fanatics like James Inhofe.

The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is another one -- it's a front group for ExxonMobil.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Thanks. I've been letting those sites run across my screen for some time but have always been skeptical about the anti-AGW websites. Source Watch is a good place to gather information on the money behind such sites which invariably point to as you noted: 1) energy companies and 2) religious fanatics. Incidentally I'm sure Human Event fits in with the anti-AGW movement. They're clearly anti-evolution science and anti-Darwinists.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:11:58pm

re: #381 calcajun

Two of the best:

"Be back in ten minutes-please wait.--Godot"

On a broken toilet; "Wiggle handel" Beneath it was written; "Will it wiggle bach"

"I f**cked your mom!"

"Go home dad, you're drunk."

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:12:00pm

re: #341 Gus 802

How good is SourceWatch? It looks like a Wikipedia-type site. I took a look at a few other articles they have out of pure curiosity.

Here's a few of their articles for comparison,

Employee Free Choice Act
Barack Obama
James Hansen

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:12:38pm

re: #370 albusteve

saw one a week ago...original condition from CO Springs....dead, would not pull any gas up...the guy was obviously not a vintage VW owner since he had narry a screwdriver with him...I told him exactly what was wrong with it but he just glared at me, so I left him to his VW Misery

I had a friend in High School that had just bought a Beetle. It was going to get cold that night so we told him to make sure he had plenty of anti-freeze in the radiator. We saw him the next day and asked how he fared. He told us he went out and bought two gallons of Prestone, but then took it back when his father told him Beetles don't have radiators! Everytime I see a Beetle, I remember the look on his face....ha ha

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:13:00pm

re: #383 rawmuse

No, he has been on "McLaughlin Group" on PBS for a long time, years.

WRONG! Next question, "what will question number 7 be about?"
/SNL skit on "The McLaughlin Group."

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yma o hyd Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:13:10pm

re: #363 jcm

I've done the norovirus dance myself. Hell it is.

Despite all the hype in the news over this, I'm amazed at how many in my office still don't wash their hands after making a pit stop. *GAH*

Norovirus is indeed hell!
Speak of living in a certain room, practically ...

Poor dogs had to use the back garden for three days - and at the first outing I only managed to stagger to the nearest park bench.

Dreadful infection, worse than flu.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:13:14pm

re: #350 Cato the Elder

Imagine my shock.

I've bookmarked SourceWatch.

I'm going to refrain from doing so. See my #386. It's a Wikipedia-type site where it appears anyone can edit.

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:13:16pm

re: #379 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was in a bathroom once & someone wrote captions under the automatic hand-dryer pictograms: "1. Push Button." "2. Receive bacon." (picture the red wavy lines)

Under where this one said:
1. Press Button
2. Hold hands under nozzle
3. Rub hands briskly

Somebody had carved in:

4. Wipe hands on pants

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:13:21pm

re: #382 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Another euphemism for...

Kinda' obsessed with that thang, aintcha'?

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:06pm

re: #383 rawmuse

No, he has been on "McLaughlin Group" on PBS for a long time, years.

True dat, yo.

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Gus Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:14pm

re: #386 Honorary Yooper

How good is SourceWatch? It looks like a Wikipedia-type site. I took a look at a few other articles they have out of pure curiosity.

Here's a few of their articles for comparison,

Employee Free Choice Act
Barack Obama
James Hansen

I don't know I just reference it once in a while.

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:31pm

re: #388 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

WRONG! Next question, "what will question number 7 be about?"
/SNL skit on "The McLaughlin Group."

WRONG! What color are my boxers?

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:41pm

re: #391 haakondahl

Under where this one said:
1. Press Button
2. Hold hands under nozzle
3. Rub hands briskly

Somebody had carved in:

4. Wipe hands on pants

The classic one I remember from the 70s had the original instructions scratched so it read:

1. Press Butt
2. Rub hands under arm
3. Stop atomically

Very mature.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:14:55pm

re: #392 MandyManners

Kinda' obsessed with that thang, aintcha'?

It's just a phase. I should outgrow it when I'm in my mid 70s.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:15:36pm

re: #395 MandyManners

WRONG! What color are my boxers?

You're crazy, John. I'm leaving.
WRONG! The doors are locked from the outside!

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:15:44pm

re: #397 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's just a phase. I should outgrow it when I'm in my mid 70s.

Ever heard of Viagra?

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:15:49pm

re: #388 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

WRONG! Next question, "what will question number 7 be about?"
/SNL skit on "The McLaughlin Group."

"WRONGGGG!"

Dana Carvey, right?

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:16:17pm

Heavy Fighting Enters Third Day in Pakistan

Heavy fighting raged for a third day in Pakistan’s northwest province as civilians flooded from the area and the Pakistani military reported some gains in pushing back Taliban insurgents.
...
The militants continued to unleash attacks, hitting a checkpost belonging to government paramilitary forces from the Frontier Corps in northern Buner, and seizing several police stations across the region, including two in the upper reaches of Swat.
...
Compounding Pakistan’s problems, ethnic gang warfare raged in the southern port city of Karachi, leaving more than 30 people dead in two days of street violence. Meanwhile, officials warned of a tense situation in the southwest, in Baluchistan Province, where the government has failed to calm public anger over the killing of three nationalist leaders.

In Karachi, paramilitary rangers were deployed to stem the street violence. Some 34 people have been killed and 42 people injured in the violence, which began when a group of gunmen opened fire on an outlying settlement in the north of the city, local news agencies reported. About 20 vehicles were torched, local reporters said.

Karachi, a sprawling city of some 14 million, and a melting pot of Pakistan’s ethnic groups, has for decades been racked by ethnic, gang and drug-related violence. Concerns have grown recently that radical Islamists and Taliban sympathizers have established an increasingly aggressive presence in outlying Pashtun neighborhoods and frequently clashed with supporters of the MQM, a secular, immigrant-based party that dominates many of the central urban neighborhoods.

Not good.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:16:24pm

re: #396 Mad Al-Jaffee

The classic one I remember from the 70s had the original instructions scratched so it read:

1. Press Butt
2. Rub hands under arm
3. Stop atomically

Very mature.

Push Button....

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:16:36pm

re: #398 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You're crazy, John. I'm leaving.
WRONG! The doors are locked from the outside!

Segue into a Sprockets skit.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:16:41pm

re: #390 Honorary Yooper

I'm going to refrain from doing so. See my #386. It's a Wikipedia-type site where it appears anyone can edit.

I've been checking SourceWatch for quite a while, and it appears very reliable. All statements are linked to sources, and you can check everything posted there for yourself. I haven't seen anything incorrect at the site yet.

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:09pm

re: #391 haakondahl

Under where this one said:
1. Press Button
2. Hold hands under nozzle
3. Rub hands briskly
Somebody had carved in:

4. Wipe hands on pants

http://daverohrer.com/images/receive_bacon.jpg">Press Button.........

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:16pm

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:53pm

re: #367 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was in a restroom in a Chinese restaurant once & some wag defaced the sign so it read "Employees must wash hands before returning to wok."

A friend of mine recently told me about a sign he saw above a urinal in a restaurant's men's room that said, "Employees, wash your hands. Remember, you are handling someone's food."

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:54pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

Heavy Fighting Enters Third Day in Pakistan

Not good.

I guess if you have the crocodile eat someone first, it only delays him eating you, but it does not stop him from it. Maybe ceding control of entire areas to the Taliban was not such a good idea after all?

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:17:59pm

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:00pm

re: #402 Desert Dog

Push Button....

Beat me too it, and my link didn't work.....

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:07pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

How adventurous are you?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:07pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

No. Been there, done that, regretted it.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:14pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Don't do it! It's crazy!

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:19pm

re: #387 Desert Dog

I had a friend in High School that had just bought a Beetle. It was going to get cold that night so we told him to make sure he had plenty of anti-freeze in the radiator. We saw him the next day and asked how he fared. He told us he went out and bought two gallons of Prestone, but then took it back when his father told him Beetles don't have radiators! Everytime I see a Beetle, I remember the look on his face....ha ha

sometimes cruel is fun

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Cathypop Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Depends on the jelly. Grape is good with rye.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:30pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Pretty good. Not as good as white bread for PBJ, but not bad.

417

hazzyday Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:46pm

Michael Steele needs to get on Rush and Fox news and CNN and separate the GoP moderates out from the likes of Buchanan. Draw the line. Declare Buchanan an anti semite and say there is no room for anyone like him in the GoP. He is going to have to name names. Else he will have to accommodate people of those ideas.

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:55pm

re: #410 jcm

Beat me too it, and my link didn't work.....

My link.......

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debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:57pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Have you run out of ham and swiss?

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:18:59pm

re: #414 albusteve

sometimes cruel is fun

I bet you've taken a few friends on snipe hunts.

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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:09pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

A recipe from Mr. w: Peanut butter, sharp cheddar, thin sliced onion, on rye.

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:24pm

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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:36pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

Heavy Fighting Enters Third Day in Pakistan

Not good.

Wow.

War and ethinc cleansing.

You would think that every MSM outfit from around the world would be sending most of their journos there to cover it.

Saw a report this morning that said Patraeus gives Pakistan 2 weeks to take out the Taliban or the shit will hit the fan.

He's confident that the army would not consent to be under Taliban control even if they take over the gov.

At least they are finally fighting the Taliban.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:46pm

re: #421 wrenchwench

A recipe from Mr. w: Peanut butter, sharp cheddar, thin sliced onion, on rye.

Mr. w get out much?

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debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:19:52pm

re: #413 Charles

Don't do it! It's crazy!

hahahahhaahhahaaa

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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:20:33pm

Good afternoon, Lizards.

I haven't read all the previous comments, so I apologize if the point I'm about to make has been addressed.

Buchanan (*spit*) did not in fact compare Demjanjuk to Jesus Christ; he compared Demjanjuk"s "persecution" to that of Jesus's, which is even more antisemitic in the context he creates. To compare a PROSECUTION of a man clearly guilty with the PERSECUTION of a man who was innocent is ridiculous. Furthermore, no one is demanding Demjanjuk's execution, only his deportation, which is just for many reasons, not the least of which is that he committed perjury to enter the USA.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:21:00pm

re: #416 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pretty good. Not as good as white bread for PBJ, but not bad.

Might be good if you add some banana slices and deep fry it.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:21:04pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Fix it with a very tart boysenberry jam.
Your mouth will un-pucker in approximately 17 hours.

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:21:17pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Got Milk? You'll need it!

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nyc redneck Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:10pm

the taliban needs to be cleaned out completely, like a nest of rats.
all eliminated.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:12pm

re: #427 Mad Al-Jaffee

Might be good if you add some banana slices and deep fry it.

Elvis? Is that you?

432

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:26pm

Spicoli and Buttercup are splitsville.

Sic 'em MSM!

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looking closely Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:30pm

re: #413 Charles

Don't do it! It's crazy!

Well then, lock me up and throw away the key. . . .

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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:30pm

re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mr. w get out much?

Nope. And he likes it that way.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:36pm

re: #420 MandyManners

I bet you've taken a few friends on snipe hunts.

I might have....box of post holes, muffler bearings

436

pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:22:40pm

re: #426 goddessoftheclassroom

(once you're thorough stating a VERY important distinction, let me know)

/don't want to interrupt .. and I DID up-ding

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:23:23pm

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Spicoli and Buttercup are splitsville.

Sic 'em MSM!

Wha'?

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:23:28pm

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

Or, you could try peanut butter and lettuce, which is also good on rye bread.

skip the lettuce and add a banana

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:23:30pm

re: #435 albusteve

I might have....box of post holes, muffler bearings

positive traction mud-flaps, hydraulic antennae, circular squares...

440

MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:23:52pm

re: #435 albusteve

I might have....box of post holes, muffler bearings

Jackalopes?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:23:55pm

re: #436 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(once you're thorough stating a VERY important distinction, let me know)

/don't want to interrupt .. and I DID up-ding

PIMF ... once you're trough
*gasp*! ... THROUGH!
*bangs head on desk*

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:24:06pm

re: #404 Charles

I've been checking SourceWatch for quite a while, and it appears very reliable. All statements are linked to sources, and you can check everything posted there for yourself. I haven't seen anything incorrect at the site yet.

I am looking, but I am leerly of Wiki type sites due to all the problems we've seen with the open editing that goes on at Wikipedia.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:24:09pm

re: #437 MandyManners

Wha'?

Spicoli and Buttercup

444

hazzyday Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:24:13pm

Funny other blog quote.

And for the sake of e-peen-waving boys everywhere who would love nothing more than to hop around .., with this glowing ton of sexy

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:25:12pm

re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Spicoli and Buttercup

He's asking for joint custody of an adult child?!

446

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:25:14pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

You're right it's pretty damn good.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:25:52pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I have a crazing for PBJ but I only have rye bread on hand. Is it worth a try?

Dare! Dare!

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:25:53pm

re: #445 MandyManners

He's asking for joint custody of an adult child?!

He's asking for custody of himself?

449

ArchangelMichael Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:04pm

re: #445 MandyManners

He's asking for joint custody of an adult child?!

No one said he was all the bright.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:12pm

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

positive traction mud-flaps, hydraulic antennae, circular squares...

I had a business...we'd call ahead then send some kid into a bizarre mind mess for an hour or two...but I always singled out those types at meetings to ensure them and the rest that they were a big part of the team

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haakondahl Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:15pm

re: #435 albusteve

I might have....box of post holes, muffler bearings

Blinker fluid, bucket of steam, boatswain's punch, relative bearing grease, spool of flight line, ball tabs, and -- my favorite -- the mail buoy watch.

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MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:31pm

re: #448 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's asking for custody of himself?

Back on that topic again, eh?

453

ArchangelMichael Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #449 ArchangelMichael

that bright... PIMF

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debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:46pm

re: #445 MandyManners

He's asking for joint custody of an adult child?!

Joints are involved?

455

Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:52pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

PBJ on rye is excellent--especially if the rye bread has caraway seeds.

Isn't there something in Leviticus on this subject?

456

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:26:56pm

re: #447 calcajun

With fig jam it's actually quite fantastic.

457

MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #449 ArchangelMichael

No one said he was all the bright.

I wonder who is his attorney?

458

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:19pm

re: #431 Desert Dog

Don't be cruel.

459

KenJen Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:21pm

re: #448 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's asking for custody of himself?

Maybe he and Madonna will get back together. They made a lovely couple.

460

formercorpsman Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:38pm

Those who forget the past are damned to repeat it

461

MandyManners Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:42pm

Outta' nicotine. bbiab

462

albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:49pm

re: #440 MandyManners

Jackalopes?

not!...I've seen Jackalope bucks as big as a sizable dog

463

Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:52pm

re: #459 KenJen

Maybe he and Madonna will get back together. They made a lovely couple.

Maybe Madonna can adopt him?

464

jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:56pm

re: #445 MandyManners

He's asking for joint custody of an adult child?!

Is he competent to keep custody of himself?

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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:27:59pm

re: #456 Killgore Trout

With fig jam it's actually quite fantastic.

Do you have any Cool Whip on hand?

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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:10pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

PBJ on rye is excellent--especially if the rye bread has caraway seeds.

I have only two words for you: Wonder Bread
/

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:14pm

re: #455 Occasional Reader

Isn't there something in Leviticus on this subject?

I seem to recall something about fornication, bread and stoning. It could have been punishment or a recipe--don't recall which.

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capitalist piglet Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:14pm

Jake Tapper gets White House press to laugh at The Family Guy's answer regarding Biden's remarks - Gibbs: "I understand what he said, and I’m telling you what he meant to say."

Youtube Video

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:27pm

Today's Engrish - maybe on topic?

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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:38pm

re: #436 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(once you're thorough stating a VERY important distinction, let me know)

/don't want to interrupt .. and I DID up-ding

I finished!

MWAH!

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avanti Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:28:53pm

re: #358 Russkilitlover

Hubby and I have a few similar arrangements. We'll have been married 29 years this coming January. I personally believe so many marriages fail because people think if they are not glued to the hip, and lock-step in their thoughts then their marriage is a failure.

Yep, had several married friends that were outraged that I'd "let" my wife go off for a weekend to the beach, or she'd "let" me go to Vegas, but they are all divorced :)
With very few exceptions, we never say no to each other. If she wants a expensive doll for her collection and it's within her budget, she buys it. If I put food on the table and a roof over her head and want a new power tool, she's cool with that too.

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debutaunt Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:29:02pm

re: #465 Occasional Reader

Do you have any Cool Whip on hand?

And a babe?

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:29:31pm

re: #459 KenJen

Maybe he and Madonna will get back together. They made a lovely couple.

So did Josef and Magda Goebbels and look at what happened to them.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:29:32pm

re: #451 haakondahl

Blinker fluid, bucket of steam, boatswain's punch, relative bearing grease, spool of flight line, ball tabs, and -- my favorite -- the mail buoy watch.

some goods ones in there

475

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:29:41pm

re: #472 debutaunt

And a babe?

Reminds me of a spring break video I saw online.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:29:50pm

re: #471 avanti

Yep, had several married friends that were outraged that I'd "let" my wife go off for a weekend to the beach, or she'd "let" me go to Vegas, but they are all divorced :)
With very few exceptions, we never say no to each other. If she wants a expensive doll for her collection and it's within her budget, she buys it. If I put food on the table and a roof over her head and want a new power tool, she's cool with that too.

Let us know if you want an expensive doll for you collection, will ya?

///////

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:30:30pm

re: #465 Occasional Reader

Do you have any Cool Whip on hand?

Damn! There's at least two directions to take that, and I'm only in for a few moments!

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SixDegrees Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:31:31pm

Like I said in the thread downstairs, I'm surprised that stupid bitch, Buchanan, hasn't blamed the swine flu outbreak on the election of a Democrat to the Presidency.

479

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:31:56pm

re: #468 capitalist piglet

Poor guy. He'll, one day, be carried out of the White House in a straight jacket saying, "GET THEEEESE SPIDERS OFF OF MEEEEEEE!"

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:32:08pm

re: #478 SixDegrees

Like I said in the thread downstairs, I'm surprised that stupid bitch, Buchanan, hasn't blamed the swine flu outbreak on the election of a Democrat to the Presidency.

I think we should be looking at Mr. Buchanan, seeing as he is a pig.

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avanti Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:32:29pm

re: #352 Desert Dog

Good for you, Avanti. Mrs. Desert Dog and I just celebrated 22 years of marital bliss last week.

You are just entering the "comfort phase" That's where you may just sit on the couch together without saying a word, but would miss them terribly if they were not in the room with you :)

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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:33:06pm

re: #480 Desert Dog

I think we should be looking at Mr. Buchanan, seeing as he is a pig.

The Buchanan Flu?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:33:08pm

re: #470 goddessoftheclassroom

I finished!

MWAH!

Innocence personified!

Did you see my PIMF? Having a VERY busy afternoon in the backroom workshop. Came in here for a few moments to clear my head. Obviously I needed to.

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calcajun Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:33:57pm

re: #465 Occasional Reader

ahh....words fail me. really.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:34:55pm

re: #482 Spare O'Lake

The Buchanan Flu?

Isn't that where one becomes a Nazi and sprouts a swaskita from the forehead?
/sarc

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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:35:30pm

re: #484 calcajun

ahh....words fail me. really.

Get your mind outta the gutter.

I was just going to propose that Killgore make the world's first FluffernutterFrappe.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:35:38pm

re: #481 avanti

You are just entering the "comfort phase" That's where you may just sit on the couch together without saying a word, but would miss them terribly if they were not in the room with you :)

I have a wonderful wife. At least, that is what she tells me everyday.
She is barely 5 feet tall and checks in just over 8 stone, but she has the fear into me. So, I think I will keep her. I am the lucky one. She is the unlucky one (that is what she tells me everyday too)

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Cato Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:11pm

I'm sorry, but I get confused about this.

Is Pat Buchanan the virus or the swine?

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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:25pm

re: #483 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Innocence personified!

Did you see my PIMF? Having a VERY busy afternoon in the backroom workshop. Came in here for a few moments to clear my head. Obviously I needed to.

LOL!
This is more my style...

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alegrias Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:28pm

Brave dem. Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) voted against Pres. Obama's 3.4 Trillion gigantic porkfest.

"Don't think we're not keeping score, Brother"

(Fox News Cable)

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Gearhead Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:36:29pm

Human Events

Eugenics.com was taken?

Was that photo by any chance taken on the Mall? It could be a PETA display instead of huddling fascists.

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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:05pm

re: #483 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Innocence personified!

Shouldn't that have been "kittehfied"?

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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:27pm

re: #456 Killgore Trout

With fig jam it's actually quite fantastic.

I thought we were talking about food, not sex.
;D

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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:32pm

re: #491 Gearhead

Eugenics.com was taken?

They thought "Herrenvolk Events" would be a little too obvious.

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Render Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:37:48pm

re: #353 debutaunt

The Yugo was a Fiat 128.

HYPERBOLE,
R

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albusteve Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:01pm

re: #487 Desert Dog

I have a wonderful wife. At least, that is what she tells me everyday.
She is barely 5 feet tall and checks in just over 8 stone, but she has the fear into me. So, I think I will keep her. I am the lucky one. She is the unlucky one (that is what she tells me everyday too)

my second wife checks in a 2 boulders, a rock and four pebbles....what a shame

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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:05pm

re: #483 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ai akshullee lolled at dat wun.

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Occasional Reader Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:07pm

re: #493 Spare O'Lake

re: #456 Killgore Trout

With fig jam it's actually quite fantastic.

I thought we were talking about food, not sex.
;D

And just where is Killgore jamming that fig?

/sorry

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JustABill Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:29pm

re: #202 Dave the.....

Here's the problem. Remember Florida 2000? Minnesota Senate right now? Imagine a Presidential election where the Electoral votes are 55-45%, but the real vote is 50-50. Every state will go through hell as each side tries to find every possible extra vote.

If I understand these laws correctly, they only go into effect when states representing 50%+1 electoral vote enact similar legislation. So you would never be in a situation where more than 50% of the electoral votes are known prior to the national count. You could have an electoral college at 24%-24% with 52% going to the national winner. The reason behind this is that no state wants to unilaterally disarm, losing influence in the national campaign. Why should a candidate promise your state anything or even visit your state, when by catering to the big media markets will have far more influence on your states electoral votes, than those casting votes in your state.

The problem will of course be how the national votes are counted, as there is no mechanism in place to do this. Your basic premise that this will make elections even more of a mess than normal is essentially correct, as It will encourage fraud and abuse in more places. In the current system, there is little reason for the democrats to "find" more votes in say San Francisco, barring a really weird election that the democrats will lose by a land-side in the rest of the nation, California will go to the democrats. Its only the swing states that anyone really needs to stuff the box with dead mens votes or illegal immigrant votes et al..

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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:30pm

re: #478 SixDegrees

Like I said in the thread downstairs, I'm surprised that stupid bitch, Buchanan, hasn't blamed the swine flu outbreak on the election of a Democrat to the Presidency.

Leiberman lost.

501

lawhawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:38:40pm

OT:
Did anyone expect anything different? Hamas says 80% live below poverty level; 65% unemployment rate; and 85% rely on foreign aid.

Terrorists don't know how to govern, let alone handle bland administrative tasks like running a country. Everything that the Palestinians have right now in Gaza is the result of choosing terrorists and assuming that someone else will pick up the tab for everything they do. They have no interest in improving their own situation. Destroying Israel is not going to change that either.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #489 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!
This is more my style...

Looks like perhaps the onset of moral dilemma.

The other prototype calleth. The engineers managed to blow up something in two of the six. I've got one going again. Still have one to troubleshoot.

BBL

MWAH!

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Ben Hur Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:41:23pm

re: #501 lawhawk

OT:
Did anyone expect anything different? Hamas says 80% live below poverty level; 65% unemployment rate; and 85% rely on foreign aid.

Terrorists don't know how to govern, let alone handle bland administrative tasks like running a country. Everything that the Palestinians have right now in Gaza is the result of choosing terrorists and assuming that someone else will pick up the tab for everything they do. They have no interest in improving their own situation. Destroying Israel is not going to change that either.

You know better than to believe ANYTHING that Hamas spokesman, Ali Waked, writes.

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ConservatismNow! Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:42:01pm

re: #449 ArchangelMichael

No one said he was all the bright.

He is Sam.

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Gearhead Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:42:08pm

re: #498 Occasional Reader

And just where is Killgore jamming that fig?

/sorry

What on Earth?! I expected an afternoon pun thread and instead you people are fondling produce!

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Joel Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:42:37pm

This line from Harry's Place needs to be remembered because it is o true

And Gene, where would you be more likely to see anti-Israel sentiment: at a tea party (there was none that I heard of) or a anti-war march?

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wiffersnapper Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:44:17pm

Ron Paul approves this comparison

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:44:35pm

re: #386 Honorary Yooper

How good is SourceWatch? It looks like a Wikipedia-type site. I took a look at a few other articles they have out of pure curiosity.

Here's a few of their articles for comparison,

Employee Free Choice Act
Barack Obama
James Hansen

Nothing but glowing adulation.

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Joel Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:44:47pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Just a reminder: Pat Buchanan is pretty much the center of the international ethnic nationalist movement including Vlaams Belang, Le Penn, the BNP, David Duke, etc.

Pat Buchanan is pretty much a staple on PMSNBC. Pat Buchanan left the Republican party a long time ago.

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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:45:13pm

re: #505 Gearhead

What on Earth?! I expected an afternoon pun thread and instead you people are fondling produce!

Better to fondle the fig than to Pat the Nazi.

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theheat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:45:42pm

I don't know about everyone else, but I like my racist Fundies with an extra dose of crazy. Thank you, Puke Buchanan, for exceeding my expectations when Ron Paul a la carte leaves me feeling a little empty.

That hit the spot.

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:48:03pm

re: #404 Charles

I've been checking SourceWatch for quite a while, and it appears very reliable. All statements are linked to sources, and you can check everything posted there for yourself. I haven't seen anything incorrect at the site yet.

It's more about what's missing. Does look like a good source for accurate, if incomplete, information however. Yet like all Wikis is just a jumping off point.

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avanti Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:48:56pm

re: #487 Desert Dog

I have a wonderful wife. At least, that is what she tells me everyday.
She is barely 5 feet tall and checks in just over 8 stone, but she has the fear into me. So, I think I will keep her. I am the lucky one. She is the unlucky one (that is what she tells me everyday too)

You reminded me of a fellow Chiefs wife, "Big Red". We'd always hear, " I'd better not, or big red will kick my ass" and the like. Since the Chief was maybe 6.2 and over 200 pounds, we figured BiG Red must have been quite a beast.
When we returned to the states and met Big Red she was maybe 5 feet tall and 100 pounds soaking wet, but a more fiery red headed, hell on wheels, you'd never find. She kept that Chief in line, 24/7.

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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:50:29pm

re: #501 lawhawk

OT:
Did anyone expect anything different? Hamas says 80% live below poverty level; 65% unemployment rate; and 85% rely on foreign aid.

Terrorists don't know how to govern, let alone handle bland administrative tasks like running a country. Everything that the Palestinians have right now in Gaza is the result of choosing terrorists and assuming that someone else will pick up the tab for everything they do. They have no interest in improving their own situation. Destroying Israel is not going to change that either.

It's because Israel has walled them in, so they can't work in Israel, at their jobs of blowing up pizza parlors, nightclubs, and Jews.

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jcm Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:51:07pm

re: #502 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like perhaps the onset of moral dilemma.

The other prototype calleth. The engineers managed to blow up something in two of the six. I've got one going again. Still have one to troubleshoot.

BBL

MWAH!

You let the engineers play with a prototype?

Your first mistake.

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Desert Dog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:52:30pm

re: #513 avanti

You reminded me of a fellow Chiefs wife, "Big Red". We'd always hear, " I'd better not, or big red will kick my ass" and the like. Since the Chief was maybe 6.2 and over 200 pounds, we figured BiG Red must have been quite a beast.
When we returned to the states and met Big Red she was maybe 5 feet tall and 100 pounds soaking wet, but a more fiery red headed, hell on wheels, you'd never find. She kept that Chief in line, 24/7.

My better half is a filipina. Her favorite pastime is hanging out in the kitchen with her bolo chopping bratwursts on a butcher block. With a big smile on....

Actually, she is a wonderful person, and I really am lucky...very lucky

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:58:14pm

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[deleted] Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:59:35pm

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Apr 30, 2009 1:59:51pm

See y'all tomorrow.

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drewdog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:01:58pm

Buchanan? I thought it was a vote for Al Gore!

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Gearhead Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:04:57pm

re: #510 Spare O'Lake

Better to fondle the fig than to Pat the Nazi.

Rotating title thingy!

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theheat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:07:03pm

re: #518 Iron Fist

Fundies aren't a race. Fundies aren't a color. Fundies aren't a particular sexual persuasion, though I'm sure most at least try to be heterosexual in public. They are, however, religious fanatics (fundamentalists) and as wide open to scorn, criticism, and monikers as say... moonbats, a term I'm sure you're familiar with, and probably not shy about. Or, are you playing demure today?

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bj1126 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:18:30pm

Until that last paragraph Buchanan's article is fairly tame for him. His writing is why I stopped getting Human Events emails.

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theheat Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #523 Iron Fist

I also don't like Klukkers, Islamists, polygamists, and the Scientologists I've met - who also happen to radically follow some whacked out form of religion. You can add some gold stars next to my name for those, too. Or, are you assuming by Fundies I only meant to include white fundamentalist Christians and Catholics? No, I'm more inclusive than that. My Fundie tent is b-i-g. I include all kinds of religious crazy. I don't discriminate.

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DistantThunder Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:32:31pm

Don't Stand too Close
Cause I'm radio-active

-The Firm

Hey Pat, this could be your theme song.

Radioactive

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Lightspeed Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:42:48pm

Leave poor Pat alone! You are trying to tear a good man down! This is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.

/dripping sarcasm

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Lynn B. Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:51:27pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

Spencer, Pamela and Geert get a slap from the Anti-Defamation League....
ADL Condemns Anti-Islam Remarks Made by Dutch Parliamentarian During Appearances in S. Florida

Don't see anything in there about Spencer or Pamela.

Don't think the ADL pays any attention to either of them.

/and arguably Mohammed was both a pedophile and a warlord. Some of that other stuff Wilders said, though, was pretty bad.

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Joel Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:54:11pm

re: #528 Lynn B.

/and arguably Mohammed was both a pedophile and a warlord. Some of that other stuff Wilders said, though, was pretty bad.

He was a cruel bastard.

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BLBfootballs Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:21:15pm

Buchanan is such an embarrassment to the American right.

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captdiggs Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:21:36pm

Buchanan has always been an anti-semite and nazi apologist...always.
What's bizarre is the far left's adoption of him as a revered talking head ( ala msnbc).

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Frank N Stein Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:21:44pm

re: #37 quickjustice

And repeating the blood libel ("all Jews are responsible for Jesus' death in perpetutity") also demonstrates how vicious an anti-Semite Buchanan is. The correct Christian theology is "Humanity crucified Jesus, not any one ethnic group". The theology is about humanity's rejection of G-d. It's a continuation of Tanak themes about Israel and Israel's kings rejecting her G-d.

I'm so tired of that old smear that I personally have crucified God even before I was born while the Romans had absolutely nothing to do with it and that there must be a couple of little satanic horns hiding under my devious hairdo designed to hide just that.

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Lightspeed Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:44:17pm

re: #532 Frank N Stein

Jews were responsible for Jesus' death. They were also responsible for giving birth to him, raising him, feeding him, clothing him, teaching him, loving him, etc. It boggles my mind that Christians would blame an entire race for the actions of a few Pharisees whose power and influence was being directly challenged by Jesus. What about the crowd who demanded Pilate free Barabbas instead of Jesus? Surely this implicates the Jewish people? Give me a break. This "crowd" may well have been chosen the same way Obama chooses who get's into his town hall meetings. People who blame the entire Jewish people for the death of Jesus are simply morons. It's like blaming the Swedes for ABBA.

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heyou Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:59:15pm

re: #62 bj

Apparently mr. buch. doesn't know there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism. That is a decidedly Christian innovation so it would be rather impossible for a Jew of that time to call other Jews that. Maybe he needs an education. Feh! May all the pigs of the world descent upon that "man".

actually it does say that in John 8:44
to learn about this and other anti-semitic material in the NT go to:
"Jews for Judaism" , click or "RESOURCES", "FAQ" then "Apostates"
then scroll down to "Anti-Judaism in the NT"

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NY Nana Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:59:27pm

When I first saw this, I was too angry to post. What words can I use? Despicable? POS? A disgrace to our country?

That is far too mild, but whatever I want to call the quintessential Jew hater, Buchanan, would be deleted, and I do not want to say anymore that would cause Charles any charges of running a hate blog, which is so far from the truth that it is ludicrous, but those who envy Charles his place in blogdom, and hate him for being a friend of Israel, and a teller of truth, would only copy and paste it into their posts, as they have nothing original of their own, and would use it as 'evidence'.

All I will say is that if Buchanan was born at the right time, to be of age, in the 1930's, he would have gone to Germany, and enlisted in the nazi military, and volunteered to fill the ovens with Jews.

Ironic how many Americans went to Canada and the UK to enlist in their military, as the US, at the time of WWII, before Pearl Harbor Day, was isolationist.

That MSNBC has him as a commentator speaks volumes about them.

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Frank N Stein Thu, Apr 30, 2009 4:14:27pm

re: #528 Lynn B.

Don't see anything in there about Spencer or Pamela.

Don't think the ADL pays any attention to either of them.

/and arguably Mohammed was both a pedophile and a warlord. Some of that other stuff Wilders said, though, was pretty bad.

In the time and place of Muhammad marrying very young was not outside the norm, although 9 years old for consummating the marriage might have been unusually young even then, I have no idea. I mean, the social and moral norms were really very different back then and it's hard to judge someone who lived 1300 or 1400 years ago by our modern standards. We assume humanity have changed and evolved and I don't see much point in judging people who lived so long ago by our current modern standards. The problem is Muhammad is considered the perfect human being, the perfect model to emulate even nowadays for Muslims, which is why such practice can still exist in some Muslim societies.

Thousands of years ago Yaakov (Jacob) had 2 wives and king Shlomo (Solomon) had many more, but no figure in the bible is considered a perfect human that aught to be emulated in every way, so polygamy could be abolished in Judaism. I don't see much point in criticizing king Shlomo for having more than one wife millennia ago. I would find it quite objectionable though if Jews would think they should emulate every custom and behavior of an ancient biblical figure and re-institute polygamy these days.

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Turtler Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:10:55pm

Alright everybody, poll time:

Would it be worth it to tolerate the continued existance on the face of the Earth of Buchanan and his ilk if it meant that-should the time come- we could use them as bullet-catchers when the time came?

(and before anybody asks, i am not advocating anybody harm these SOBs unless they force you to do so, however I honestly cannot say I would shed many tears to hear these guys, say, get within the radius of a suicide bomber's belt).

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Frank N Stein Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:15:43pm

re: #533 Lightspeed

Jews were responsible for Jesus' death. They were also responsible for giving birth to him, raising him, feeding him, clothing him, teaching him, loving him, etc. It boggles my mind that Christians would blame an entire race for the actions of a few Pharisees whose power and influence was being directly challenged by Jesus. What about the crowd who demanded Pilate free Barabbas instead of Jesus? Surely this implicates the Jewish people? Give me a break. This "crowd" may well have been chosen the same way Obama chooses who get's into his town hall meetings. People who blame the entire Jewish people for the death of Jesus are simply morons. It's like blaming the Swedes for ABBA.

While I agree with most of what you said (including ABBA :-D), I will still insist that also the Romans had something to do with Jesus' death...

However you're right about implicating the entire Jewish people, and forever and ever, and considering the Jewish People "satanic" for what some Jews did a couple of millennia ago. It's like I'd now hold each and every Christian person anywhere anytime and each and every Spanish person living today personally guilty of the Inquisition or consider every non-Jew personally guilty for every pogrom that ever took place and consider them all inherently diabolic or Satan personified.

Thank God much of humanity became more rational about all this religious stuff.

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Dave AAA Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:24:33pm

I don't think Demjanjuk's alleged crimes are worth the effort of prosecuting him now. He isn't even accused of directly assaulting, let alone killing a single person. The idea, though, that Demjanjuk can be compared to Jesus is ludicrous.

I suspect that Buchanan would be saying this even if Demjanjuk were as great a criminal as Eichmann.

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aaron's rantblog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:54:44pm

Pat is still welcome at WND, TownHall and Hannity. When those sources lose their content from outraged conservative pundits, they may reconsider providing Pat with a soap box.

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aaron's rantblog Thu, Apr 30, 2009 8:56:56pm

re: #539 Dave AAA

I don't think Demjanjuk's alleged crimes are worth the effort of prosecuting him now.

It is statements like yours that would give an evil person hope of someday living in peace. Only if there is NO statute of limitations is there an effective deterrent to evil.

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Dave AAA Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:41:50pm

It is statements like yours that would give an evil person hope of someday living in peace. Only if there is NO statute of limitations is there an effective deterrent to evil.

Prosecutions and executions of most of the people responsible for the Holocaust as well as of such commanders and other important figures as we could find hasn't stopped war crimes, genocide, and other crimes against humanity. Prosecuting a former private soldier who is not alleged to have personally harmed anyone, while leaving others to go free, isn't going to impress anyone either.

As for being an evil person, one would have thought if he were, he'd have been doing evil things for the last sixty-four years. Doesn't seem to be the case.

Meanwhile, while millions of dollars and thousands of man hours are spent on the Demjanjuk case, there are people who are clearly Class A war criminals and other serious offenders unmolested because resources are being wasted on this nobody. Truly evil people are going free because we'd rather get low-hanging fruit like this guy. I rather wonder if this is because the Justice Department has a real interest in the public interest, or whether there is something else, like a dislike of letting someone they've tried to get before going free.

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solomonpanting Thu, Apr 30, 2009 10:49:39pm

re: #542 Dave AAA

Prosecutions and executions of most of the people responsible for the Holocaust as well as of such commanders and other important figures as we could find hasn't stopped war crimes, genocide, and other crimes against humanity.

Prosecutions and executions of murderers hasn't stopped murder. Open the cells!

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Salamantis Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:13:54pm

re: #542 Dave AAA

Prosecutions and executions of most of the people responsible for the Holocaust as well as of such commanders and other important figures as we could find hasn't stopped war crimes, genocide, and other crimes against humanity. Prosecuting a former private soldier who is not alleged to have personally harmed anyone, while leaving others to go free, isn't going to impress anyone either.

As for being an evil person, one would have thought if he were, he'd have been doing evil things for the last sixty-four years. Doesn't seem to be the case.

Meanwhile, while millions of dollars and thousands of man hours are spent on the Demjanjuk case, there are people who are clearly Class A war criminals and other serious offenders unmolested because resources are being wasted on this nobody. Truly evil people are going free because we'd rather get low-hanging fruit like this guy. I rather wonder if this is because the Justice Department has a real interest in the public interest, or whether there is something else, like a dislike of letting someone they've tried to get before going free.

This guy was a prison guard at a Nazi concentration camp. It truly doesn't get much more evil than that.

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Dave AAA Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:20:22pm

re: #543 solomonpanting

Prosecutions and executions of murderers hasn't stopped murder. Open the cells!

So does the DA in your jurisdiction spend a significant amount of resources chasing people who allegedly committed crimes over half a century ago instead of ones who are doing worse things today? Is he particularly tenacious when the prospect for conviction is probably fairly low?

As for deterrence, it's pretty much a given that many potential street criminals are, in fact, deterred by the prospect of being caught and punished. It's also pretty much a given that a reasonably careful tyrant can murder to his hearts content and no one will do a darn thing about it.

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Dave AAA Thu, Apr 30, 2009 11:32:50pm

re: #544 Salamantis

This guy was a prison guard at a Nazi concentration camp. It truly doesn't get much more evil than that.

One who isn't accused of actually touching any prisoners or taking any kind of initiative to cause them harm. The Germans who ran the railway systems that took Jews to the camps bear more responsibility than this guy, let alone the officers and NCO's who ran those camps. Ordinary German and Japanese soldiers who massacred civilians and Allied soldiers did more than Demjanjuk. We hardly have to go into the Axis leadership who ordered and planned the Holocaust, and other crimes.

What about people today who are directly complicit in the deaths of thousands from drug and gang violence? What about terrorists? What about war criminals and others who have immigrated from the Third World or are still out there with siezable assets?

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Salamantis Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:01am

re: #546 Dave AAA

One who isn't accused of actually touching any prisoners or taking any kind of initiative to cause them harm. The Germans who ran the railway systems that took Jews to the camps bear more responsibility than this guy, let alone the officers and NCO's who ran those camps. Ordinary German and Japanese soldiers who massacred civilians and Allied soldiers did more than Demjanjuk. We hardly have to go into the Axis leadership who ordered and planned the Holocaust, and other crimes.

What about people today who are directly complicit in the deaths of thousands from drug and gang violence? What about terrorists? What about war criminals and others who have immigrated from the Third World or are still out there with siezable assets?

You: Ooh! Look over here! Something shiny!

/Ignore the fuckin' Nazi

Me: My father and uncles fought to liberate Europe from this fuckwad's friends and fellow soldiers, and one of my uncles died of his wounds.

This condemned-Jew-guarding SOB doesn't deserve to be in this country. We've already got our hands on the bastard, so let's kick his jack-booted goose-stepping heil-Hitlering ass right the fuck OUT!

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Salamantis Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:13am

re: #545 Dave AAA

So does the DA in your jurisdiction spend a significant amount of resources chasing people who allegedly committed crimes over half a century ago instead of ones who are doing worse things today? Is he particularly tenacious when the prospect for conviction is probably fairly low?

As for deterrence, it's pretty much a given that many potential street criminals are, in fact, deterred by the prospect of being caught and punished. It's also pretty much a given that a reasonably careful tyrant can murder to his hearts content and no one will do a darn thing about it.

There is no statute of limitations on deportation from the US for being a Nazi death camp prison guard. Nor should there be.

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Dave AAA Fri, May 1, 2009 1:00:05am

re: #547 Salamantis

You: Ooh! Look over here! Something shiny!

More like "Ooh! Look over here! Someone being murdered right now."

Me: My father and uncles fought to liberate Europe from this fuckwad's friends and fellow soldiers, and one of my uncles died of his wounds.

Cry me a fucking river. My father and uncles spent the war at the sharp end too and were lucky to get back. My grandfathers fought the earlier iteration of German Kultur. My mother and the rest of the family were home being bombed. Not all the people close to them made it. Have we done enough bloody shirt waving now?

Demjanjuk probably did less for the Nazi war effort standing in the snow outside a camp fence than the great majority of his fellow German soldiers.

his jack-booted goose-stepping heil-Hitlering ass

Is your claim now that he's still an active, committed Nazi? There isn't much evidence that he was especially one even during the war and none that he has been since.

This condemned-Jew-guarding SOB doesn't deserve to be in this country.

You tried that. It failed. How much effort do you want to divert from immediate issues to get him?

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Salamantis Fri, May 1, 2009 3:44:48am

re: #549 Dave AAA

More like "Ooh! Look over here! Someone being murdered right now."

Which of course means that the millions murdered before, whose spilled blood cries unconsolably from the bleak bare ground for justice, don't matter a whit to you.

Cry me a fucking river. My father and uncles spent the war at the sharp end too and were lucky to get back. My grandfathers fought the earlier iteration of German Kultur. My mother and the rest of the family were home being bombed. Not all the people close to them made it. Have we done enough bloody shirt waving now?

You can fail to give a shit for what they fought, bled and died for; it will always matter to me.

Demjanjuk probably did less for the Nazi war effort standing in the snow outside a camp fence than the great majority of his fellow German soldiers.

You don't know that that's where he was standing, or the only place where he was standing; besides being a guard in THREE DIFFERENT DEATH CAMPS - two in Poland and one in Germany, he apparently was a member of an SS run unit that cumulatively was responsible for the rounding up of two MILLION Jews in Poland:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He has been charged as an accessory to the murder of twenty-nine THOUSAND Jews.

Is your claim now that he's still an active, committed Nazi? There isn't much evidence that he was especially one even during the war and none that he has been since.

Rounding up Jews and keeping them from escaping death camps is active enough so that he didn't have to do a damn thing after that to deserve his day in German court.

You tried that. It failed. How much effort do you want to divert from immediate issues to get him?

Germany wants him back to try him for the crimes he committed there, and they should, and shall, HAVE him back. If you don't like it; tough.

You defend a fuckin' Nazi and try to cast doubts upon how bad his Third Reich behavior really was, yet you're a Nirther who wants to force Obama to admit you into hospital archives and paw over his original Birth Certificate because you don't believe the duly constituted officials of the State of Florida, or the certified copy online, or the birth announcement in the Hawaii papers 47 years ago.

Something here stinks. And it isn't cow farts.

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Hhar Fri, May 1, 2009 5:42:51am

re: #532 Frank N Stein

I'm so tired of that old smear that I personally have crucified God .....

YOU'RE tired of it?!? It makes me LIVID! I worked darn hard to make sure the guy was crucified and YOU get all the credit.

man......I work my fingers to the bone over eons, EONS I tell you, trying to dominate the worlde, conspiring with all kinds of crazy elder, Rotarians, masonas, the lot of them, and some guy like you, who has done NOTHING to merit world domination gets all the credit. Ticks me off.

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Hhar Fri, May 1, 2009 6:03:53am

re: #546 Dave AAA

What about them? They are all criminals. We have deportation treaties for criminals. This guy is a criminal. Deport him.

Don't like the media hype? Fine. Other people are more evil? Matter of opinion. Here's the thing though; justice must be seen to be done. What this guy participated in qualifies as a pretty high profile crime. We're obliged to deport.

One note: The guy was SS, Dave AA. These people were not simply willing cogs in governmental machines. I respect your family's sacrifices. You should respect my family's ashes.

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Dave AAA Fri, May 1, 2009 10:41:15am

re: #552 Hhar

What about them? They are all criminals. We have deportation treaties for criminals. This guy is a criminal. Deport him.

Actually. few of the railway people or Army personnel who assisted the Holocaust were held responsible or even considered for charges.

Here's the thing though; justice must be seen to be done.

If all there was to justice was isolated individual cases, then you would have a better point. There's more to it though. There's the need for people to see that the crimes affecting them now are being properly dealt with. What is happening here that by going after marginal small fry like Demjanjuk, resources are taken from cases involving other people who have committed much more serious crimes than he has.

One note: The guy was SS, Dave AA. These people were not simply willing cogs in governmental machines.

That actually sounds like a pretty good description of what we know of Demjanjuk. As a foreign "volunteer" he was automatically sent to the SS. He isn't accused, so far as I can tell, of actually, personally hurting any individual persons, unlike Ivan the Terrible for whom he was mistaken.

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Dave AAA Fri, May 1, 2009 10:43:40am

Which of course means that the millions murdered before . . . don't matter a whit to you

Bot to the point where I'm much interested in people as petty as Demjanjuk or prefer people with actual, literally bloody hands go free..

You don't know that that's where he was standing, or the only place where he was standing;

For that matter, you don't know he wasn't.

He has been charged as an accessory to the murder of twenty-nine THOUSAND Jews.

It wouldn't be hard to find people who did a great deal more who are not being considered for charges.

You can fail to give a shit for what they fought, bled and died for;

I care all right. It just isn't a relevant argument in itself. It's an appeal to emotion.

yet you're a Nirther

You might want to re-read my posts on that.

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Hhar Fri, May 1, 2009 11:20:38am

Actually. few of the railway people or Army personnel who assisted the Holocaust were held responsible or even considered for charges.

Some were, no? It all depends on the level of knowlege and personal importance the individual can be demonstrated to have. A camp guard has no deniability.

If all there was to justice was isolated individual cases, then you would have a better point. There's more to it though. There's the need for people to see that the crimes affecting them now are being properly dealt with. What is happening here that by going after marginal small fry like Demjanjuk, resources are taken from cases involving other people who have committed much more serious crimes than he has.

That's a matter of opinion on what a serious crime entails. In any event, he lied to get into the USA, after participating in genocide. Deport him. Pretty straightforward to me.

That actually sounds like a pretty good description of what we know of Demjanjuk. As a foreign "volunteer" he was automatically sent to the SS. He isn't accused, so far as I can tell, of actually, personally hurting any individual persons, unlike Ivan the Terrible for whom he was mistaken

He was a camp guard. He was a volunteer. He had choices, he made bad ones. Realise that isn't a big deal to you. It is non trivial to me.

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Dave AAA Fri, May 1, 2009 1:55:09pm

In any event, he lied to get into the USA, after participating in genocide. Deport him. Pretty straightforward to me.

With the money they've spent to remove him, how many other illegal immigrants could they have deported?

He was a camp guard. He was a volunteer. He had choices, he made bad ones.

From what I can tell, his major choice was to stay in an Army run concentration camp system where six out of ten died or join the German forces. A factor there would be that the Germans were fighting the Soviet regime that had killed over two million Ukrainians in a genocidal campaign a decade earlier. Besides camp guard, the other likely choice for him as a Ukrainians in German service was counter-partisan work. That meant he would be directly murdering civilians. It seems he likely had a choice between probable death and being a small part of something bad.

He certainly could have made worse choices even as an SS guard. For instance, Ivan "the Terrible" Marchenko was reputed to be an especially cruel individual who directly murdered several people. It would be hard to argue that he would not be worth prosecution.

Realise that isn't a big deal to you. It is non trivial to me.

So long as you are aware of the Justice Department's choices here and understand why people, including those without a direct emotional attachment might disagree.

Just to make things clear, I'm not suggesting Demjanjuk is some kind of martyr, or that the Holocaust wasn't so bad, or that people in responsible positions or who committed provable, direct acts of violence should not be investigated, prosecuted, and punished. Nor do I support Nazi apologist and 1930's style anti-Semite fascist Buchanan.

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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 10:34:36pm

re: #556 Dave AAA

I peek in on the end of this thread, and what do I see: someone apologizing for a Nazi death camp guard. Disgusting.

Get off my website.

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