Fox News Pimping Judge Andrew Napolitano, Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Alex Jones

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Judge Andrew Napolitano, who uses his Fox News online show “Freedom Watch” to promote racists and nutjobs like Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, and Alex Jones, is now being pimped on the official Fox News video page.

The mainstreaming of the extreme right wing and the conspiracy kooks continues apace.

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1 bungie  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:35:51am

Its all about ratings.

2 Kragar  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:36:23am

I'd say I'd stop watching, but I don't watch them anyways. I've got no time for blithering airheads of any stripe

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:38:16am

FNC is becoming as much a part of the FMSM even as they pimp the Right/Fascist fringe.

4 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:39:05am
“Freedom Watch”

A rather Orwellian name for the show given the people it is promoting.

5 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:39:18am

Speaking of ratings, I wonder what FOX's are? Are they going up with their inclusion of nutters? Or are they struggling and thus going for the outrageous?

6 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:20am

Charles...

Come on... The video shows up on the 'Web Originals' page...because Napolitano's show is a Web Show...

If you go to the main FNC site and click on videos, Napolitanos show does not show up on the front page...

7 Cygnus  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:36am

It's really a shame. Fox had some great programming in the past. Now it looks like they've gone completely around the bend.

8 rain of lead  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:43am

I think this fits
fruitcakes

9 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:48am

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

A rather Orwellian name for the show given the people it is promoting.

At FNC they think irony is something used press clothes.

10 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:41:04am

Money v Moral Fiber. Well we can see what fox considers important.

11 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:41:13am

re: #5 Russkilitlover

Speaking of ratings, I wonder what FOX's are? Are they going up with their inclusion of nutters? Or are they struggling and thus going for the outrageous?

Playing to the crowd. It's what their focus groups are telling them they want to see. It's not news--it's pandering. They sense the fears of the viewers and feed them what they want to hear--validating that fear. They are clueless (at best) as to the harm they are doing.

12 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:41:44am

re: #10 Bubblehead II

Money v Moral Fiber. Well we can see what fox considers important.

It's always been the former.

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:42:00am

re: #6 tfc3rid

The videos are on the site and readily accessible, so to me FNC is advocating the shit.

14 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #13 FurryOldGuyJeans

The videos are on the site and readily accessible, so to me FNC is advocating the shit.

Yeah and probably all of 50 people actually see this stupid online show...

And BTW, MSNBC seems to advocate some even worse crap...

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:23am

re: #11 calcajun

Playing to the crowd. It's what their focus groups are telling them they want to see. It's not news--it's pandering. They sense the fears of the viewers and feed them what they want to hear--validating that fear. They are clueless (at best) as to the harm they are doing.

I suspect FNC programmers know exactly what they are doing, and doing it to drive up the advert revenues.

16 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:24am

re: #12 calcajun

Sadly.

17 Syrah  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:32am

I wonder how much of their programing decisions are made in regards to the nutters is due to some real market research that suggest that there is some money in putting the kooks on the stage?

They do not make these kinds of decisions lightly.

18 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:44am

Jones is a nutjob and deserves ZERO time but as far as I know he's never appeared on FNC proper.

19 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:45am

re: #5 Russkilitlover

Speaking of ratings, I wonder what FOX's are? Are they going up with their inclusion of nutters? Or are they struggling and thus going for the outrageous?

Here's some info from (get ready for it) Huffpo! (It's for March 09):

Fox News averaged 2.15 million viewers in primetime for the week ending March 22, 2009. Only USA (3.16 million) averaged more. CNN came in 21st with an average 914,000 total viewers, and MSNBC placed 23rd with an average of 886,000 total viewers. All figures are according to Nielsen Media Research.

And here's the first sentence of the first comment:

FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.

Heh, heh. And that's why I don't linkee to Huffpo.

20 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:44:02am

Let the meltdowns commence.....

21 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:44:12am

re: #11 calcajun

Playing to the crowd. It's what their focus groups are telling them they want to see. It's not news--it's pandering. They sense the fears of the viewers and feed them what they want to hear--validating that fear. They are clueless (at best) as to the harm they are doing.

I know. But I'm wondering if their ratings are seeing an impact - either way.

22 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:44:13am

re: #14 tfc3rid

You need to make an acquaintance of an clue since you spout such a non-sequitar with MSNBC.

23 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:26am
24 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:28am

re: #22 FurryOldGuyJeans

You need to make an acquaintance of an clue since you spout such a non-sequitar with MSNBC.

Do you have no issue with MSNBC?

25 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:28am

re: #21 Russkilitlover

I know. But I'm wondering if their ratings are seeing an impact - either way.

According to Drudge the ratings seem to be going up.

Not that I really follow such ephemeral shit. ;)

26 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:43am

And yet, the network is still owned by R. Murdoch, who endorsed Obama.
Weirod.
I think it is just ordinary sensationalistic BS, a pure ratings grab.

27 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:57am

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Let the meltdowns commence.....

I suspect there'll be meltdowns all day today. It's already starting in the Jawa Report thread.

We could call it Freakout Friday.

28 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #6 tfc3rid

Charles...

Come on... The video shows up on the 'Web Originals' page...because Napolitano's show is a Web Show...

If you go to the main FNC site and click on videos, Napolitanos show does not show up on the front page...

This is absolutely a new thing. The Ron Paul freakazoids at 'BreakTheMatrix' (no link from me, Google it) are crowing about it on their Twitter feeds.

29 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:35am

And, I don't have cable, so I have no idea what is going in real time, other than what get reported here.

30 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:36am

re: #24 tfc3rid

TOTALLY off the topic. FNC is the topic, not the rest of the FMSM

I have to ask, are your eyes naturally brown?

31 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:02am

re: #19 subsailor68


Huh. Well okay then. It's paying off for them. Fair and Balanced morphing into Irrational and Out of Kilter.

32 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:39am

re: #28 Charles

This is absolutely a new thing. The Ron Paul freakazoids at 'BreakTheMatrix' (no link from me, Google it) are crowing about it on their Twitter feeds.

And I am sure they are updinging it so it shows up on the front page of the Video section...

Seriously though, how many people actually watch Strategy Room online?

33 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:49am

re: #26 rawmuse

And yet, the network is still owned by R. Murdoch, who endorsed Obama.
Weirod.
I think it is just ordinary sensationalistic BS, a pure ratings grab.

Fox has always struck me as the TV version of the National Enquirer. Lots of sensationalism with little substance. Of course, CNN and MSNBC aren't much better.

34 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:48:08am

re: #19 subsailor68

Here's some info from (get ready for it) Huffpo! (It's for March 09):

Fox News averaged 2.15 million viewers in primetime for the week ending March 22, 2009. Only USA (3.16 million) averaged more. CNN came in 21st with an average 914,000 total viewers, and MSNBC placed 23rd with an average of 886,000 total viewers. All figures are according to Nielsen Media Research.

And here's the first sentence of the first comment:

FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.

Heh, heh. And that's why I don't linkee to Huffpo.

And mainstreaming the extremists in the party that actually are racists isn't going to combat that stereotype one bit.

35 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:48:15am

Oh, BTW, I included that first comment:

FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.

Because, doggone it, I just loves me irony. First, moron, it's republican, not repulican. Second, "who even had a GED" might have been more effective if you'd written "who had even a GED." As written, I could respond, "Gee, I haven't either. They all have bachelor, master, or PhD degrees."

36 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #30 FurryOldGuyJeans

TOTALLY off the topic. FNC is the topic, not the rest of the FMSM

I have to ask, are your eyes naturally brown?

I don't think it is off topic... We're talking about how it sppears to some that FNC is pimping the far righty kooks.... I am saying it's an online show with Zero ratings and trying to make the point that while some here are lambasting FNC for doing this, MSNBC for years has been living on and off the far left kook fringe...

37 yma o hyd  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:50:01am

re: #35 subsailor68

Oh, BTW, I included that first comment:

FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.

Because, doggone it, I just loves me irony. First, moron, it's republican, not repulican. Second, "who even had a GED" might have been more effective if you'd written "who had even a GED." As written, I could respond, "Gee, I haven't either. They all have bachelor, master, or PhD degrees."

Effen elitists!

/////

38 Desert Dog  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:50:57am

FoxNews is in the sewer. I never watch that. I also never watch CNN, MSNBC or the Networks news either. Not as many right wing crackpots hanging out there, but they are heavily laden with leftwing freakazoids. Let's face it, most of the TV MSM is way too far to the left....Fox is now leaning way to far to the right. It is getting harder and harder to decipher the actual news from the propaganda spewing out of all of the media these days.

39 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #35 subsailor68

Oh, BTW, I included that first comment:

FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.

Because, doggone it, I just loves me irony. First, moron, it's republican, not repulican. Second, "who even had a GED" might have been more effective if you'd written "who had even a GED." As written, I could respond, "Gee, I haven't either. They all have bachelor, master, or PhD degrees."

Could have been worse. He might have dropped the 'l' and not the 'b'.

40 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:23am

no surprises. it's fox for cripes sake..who owns it? murdoch, the inventor of tabloid news crapola. you expect his organization to take a high road? if so I got some bridges to sell ya.
fox...geez, when you look at a pig do you expect it to purr like a cat?
as I said before..just don't look, and it will go away.

41 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:38am

re: #31 Russkilitlover

Huh. Well okay then. It's paying off for them. Fair and Balanced morphing into Irrational and Out of Kilter.

Okay, now that's funny! I think you've just created the new slogan:

Fox News! IOK! We're Irrational and Out of Kilter.

Next on Fox - Glenn Beck!

42 Phillies2008  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:06am

These paleo nutjobs are worse than Democrats.

43 lawhawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:32am

They're squawking and someone's watching. That's all that Fox cares about - the ratings. It doesn't matter that they're pushing troofers and kooks. They see the ratings, and that's all that matters.

I'd say for shame, but the know none.

I'd say stop watching 'em, but the alternatives are just as bad.

Jokers to the left, clowns to the right, and here I am thinking that I should be thanking everyone for the fish.

44 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:32am

I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.

45 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:02am

re: #42 Phillies2008

These paleo nutjobs are worse than Democrats.

I usually find them as insufferable as the Daily Kos and DU crowd. Full of the same sorts of hates as well, just at differing ends of the spectrum.

46 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:06am

I listen to FNC all day on my XM and do not hear this insanity during the day... Not at all... Neil Cavuto is one of the best financial talkers out there... FNC's coverage of business news and breaking news is fantastic...

We will agree do disagree on this...

47 Diamond Bullet  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:19am

The irony is that the continual pumping of these far right (or off the reservation entirely) conspiracy kooks as mainstream is starting to make me wonder whether it's a conspiracy to discredit regular conservatives. I guess it's time for me to start up a website arguing that Building 7 was taken down by an invisible Fox News blimp. Sigh.

48 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:48am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.

I know, I saw that. We're going to have another round of high-pitched whining. What a disgrace -- the same people who applauded the formation of the DHS are now screaming about everything it does.

49 J.D.  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:51am

Andy McCarthy Said "No" to the Justice Department Today

Andrew C. McCarthy

May 1, 2009

By email (to the Counterterrorism Division) and by regular mail:

The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Attorney General of the United States
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20530-0001

Dear Attorney General Holder:

This letter is respectfully submitted to inform you that I must decline the invitation to participate in the May 4 roundtable meeting the President’s Task Force on Detention Policy is convening with current and former prosecutors involved in international terrorism cases. An invitation was extended to me by trial lawyers from the Counterterrorism Section, who are members of the Task Force, which you are leading.

The invitation email (of April 14) indicates that the meeting is part of an ongoing effort to identify lawful policies on the detention and disposition of alien enemy combatants—or what the Department now calls “individuals captured or apprehended in connection with armed conflicts and counterterrorism operations.” I admire the lawyers of the Counterterrorism Division, and I do not question their good faith. Nevertheless, it is quite clear—most recently, from your provocative remarks on Wednesday in Germany—that the Obama administration has already settled on a policy of releasing trained jihadists (including releasing some of them into the United States). Whatever the good intentions of the organizers, the meeting will obviously be used by the administration to claim that its policy was arrived at in consultation with current and former government officials experienced in terrorism cases and national security issues. I deeply disagree with this policy, which I believe is a violation of federal law and a betrayal of the president’s first obligation to protect the American people. Under the circumstances, I think the better course is to register my dissent, rather than be used as a prop.

Moreover, in light of public statements by both you and the President, it is dismayingly clear that, under your leadership, the Justice Department takes the position that a lawyer who in good faith offers legal advice to government policy makers—like the government lawyers who offered good faith advice on interrogation policy—may be subject to investigation and prosecution for the content of that advice, in addition to empty but professionally damaging accusations of ethical misconduct. Given that stance, any prudent lawyer would have to hesitate before offering advice to the government. ...


Read the whole thing.

50 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:54am

Time for the John Prine (sp) song:

Blow up your TV
Throw away your papers
Move to the country
Build you a home

Raise a lot of children
Feed 'em on peaches
Try and find Jesus
On your own

51 Desert Dog  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:08am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.

You seem to take great joy in that. You need a better hobby :-)

52 yma o hyd  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:25am

Here's a rather good editorial, in today's TIMES/London, which addresses the implied theme of this thread:

The incredible shrinking elephant.
Why moderate US Republicans must stand up for themselves

Concluding paragraph:
'America needs the Republicans, yet they are flirting with irrelevance. To return to relevance the party must be rebuilt as a coalition, not a clique. Its leaders must embrace its moderates, and its moderates - on everything from taxes to abortion - must stand up for themselves.'

RTWT!

53 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:25am

Bill Moyers and Pat Buchanan appear regularly on PBS.
I will still watch Nova.

54 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:29am

re: #46 tfc3rid

I listen to FNC all day on my XM and do not hear this insanity during the day... Not at all... Neil Cavuto is one of the best financial talkers out there... FNC's coverage of business news and breaking news is fantastic...

We will agree do disagree on this...

Neil Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show very frequently.

55 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:55:19am

re: #36 tfc3rid

I don't think it is off topic... We're talking about how it sppears to some that FNC is pimping the far righty kooks.... I am saying it's an online show with Zero ratings and trying to make the point that while some here are lambasting FNC for doing this, MSNBC for years has been living on and off the far left kook fringe...

It's simple--the kooky fringe are like your kids; if you feed them, they grow--keep feeding them and they stay. What MSNBC feeds the kooks on the left is not the topic. The issue is that if Fox keeps feeding the far-right, then we have a problem.

56 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:02am

re: #47 Diamond Bullet

The irony is that the continual pumping of these far right (or off the reservation entirely) conspiracy kooks as mainstream is starting to make me wonder whether it's a conspiracy to discredit regular conservatives. I guess it's time for me to start up a website arguing that Building 7 was taken down by an invisible Fox News blimp. Sigh.

I've been wondering the same thing.

57 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #48 Charles

I know, I saw that. We're going to have another round of high-pitched whining. What a disgrace -- the same people who applauded the formation of the DHS are now screaming about everything it does.

That is the problem with creating a government edifice or other permanent institution, other people get to run it after you leave.

58 Desert Dog  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:17am

re: #53 rawmuse

Bill Moyers and Pat Buchanan appear regularly on PBS.
I will still watch Nova.

Me too, but the second I see that weasel face of Moyers, OFF IT GOES

59 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #48 Charles

Of course. We're the Contrarian Party now.

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #51 Desert Dog

You seem to take great joy in that. You need a better hobby :-)

No, it just really pisses me off when people try to obfuscate for terrorist who pose a legitimate security threat because they claim it hurts their feelings. The RoP has been doing this for years.

61 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:28am

re: #40 Spider Mensch

no surprises. it's fox for cripes sake..who owns it? murdoch, the inventor of tabloid news crapola. you expect his organization to take a high road? if so I got some bridges to sell ya.
fox...geez, when you look at a pig do you expect it to purr like a cat?
as I said before..just don't look, and it will go away.

Murdoch understands his audience, and tailors the property to it. WSJ is another of his NewsCorp properties, and is much less tabloid.

62 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:32am

The mainstreaming of the far right fringe is very disappointing and plays right into the hands of people who would paint every fiscal conservative who attends church and espouses traditional patriotism as a whack job conspiracy theorist.

I know that FOX is motivated by ratings and money. This much is not a mystery. But I'm perplexed as to why the conservative pundits and political organizations are allowing themselves to be radicalized by the most extreme examples of the right of center crowd.

Do they somehow believe that if courting radicals and malcontents on the left won political power for the Dems that the same type of massing of the radical right will bring back power to the conservatives? There are too many flaws with that plan to list.

63 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:35am

re: #54 Charles

Neil Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show very frequently.

Yes, but what does that prove? Paul is somehow elected to Congress by his constituents. Cavuto has every right to interview womever he sees fit.

He also has Bernie Sanders on, I know Neil is not a commie.

64 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:37am

If I was an optimist (which, of course, everyone knows I'm not), I would think that Fox is hyping these folks up in order to set them up for the GREAT SMACKDOWN.

Of course, since I'm not, I think I'll weep into my bourbon a little.

65 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:57:07am

re: #53 rawmuse

I will still watch Nova.

Even with all that global warming and evolution drivel./

66 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:57:16am
67 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #65 calcajun

If only to see what their argument is.

68 doppelganglander  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:58:06am

When I read about the world situation between the wars, when your political choices in the developed world consisted of Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Socialism, I wonder what I would have done as a subscriber to None of the Above. I think I'm going to get a chance to find out over the next decade or so.

69 hazzyday  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:58:17am

So Paulians are able to drive Fox news content?The Ickians can't be far behind.

70 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

Could have been worse. He might have dropped the 'l' and not the 'b'.


Rebubican = A very specialized hair restoration practice.

71 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:59:17am

re: #67 rawmuse

If only to see what their argument is.

Good lad. Don't let yourself be tempted with their seductive arguments./

72 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:00:39pm

re: #70 DaddyG

Rebubican = A very specialized hair restoration practice.

Rebubican - Believer in breast augmentation. A disciple of the church of Pam Anderson?

73 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Who is the terrorist? Remind me again.

74 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:06pm

re: #63 tfc3rid

Having the man on repeatedly shows FNC advocates what the man stands for, which is not what I stand for.

You really need to meet a clue soon.

75 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:16pm

re: #68 doppelganglander

When I read about the world situation between the wars, when your political choices in the developed world consisted of Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Socialism, I wonder what I would have done as a subscriber to None of the Above. I think I'm going to get a chance to find out over the next decade or so.

I think those were the 90% of people who worked hard to put food on the table, loved their kids, walked the dog and generally minded their own business without expecting an -ism to come along and change their lives.

76 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

A rather Orwellian name for the show given the people it is promoting.

"Freedom Watch" pimping a guy who runs a Web site called, "Prison Planet"? My head hurts.

77 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:46pm

re: #72 calcajun

Rebubican - Believer in breast augmentation. A disciple of the church of Pam Anderson?


Boob thread in 72 posts. Nice work.

78 Syrah  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:03:07pm

re: #72 calcajun

Rebubican - Believer in breast augmentation. A disciple of the church of Pam Anderson?

Is that anything like a merkintilist?

79 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #78 Syrah

Is that anything like a merkintilist?

I have this strange feeling I would regret asking what one of those are, so I shall refrain. ;)

80 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:04:31pm

re: #71 calcajun

Good lad. Don't let yourself be tempted with their seductive arguments./

Easier, more seductive, is the dark side.

81 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:04:44pm

re: #49 J.D.

Excellent piece by Mr. McCarthy. Of course, being a lawyer, he couldn't just RSVP with FOAD.

82 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:00pm

Actually Charles, I do think there's a place for Ron Paul on television.

Today on the Food Network: Rachael Ray.

Rachael's special guest this morning is Ron Paul, who's here to show Rachael how to make his famous, home made 'nutty buddies' ice cream treat."

83 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:34pm

re: #50 Ojoe

Time for the John Prine (sp) song:

Blow up your TV
Throw away your papers
Move to the country
Build you a home

Raise a lot of children
Feed 'em on peaches
Try and find Jesus
On your own


Spanish Pipedream

84 Syrah  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:37pm

re: #79 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have this strange feeling I would regret asking what one of those are, so I shall refrain. ;)

That's probably for the best.

85 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:59pm

re: #77 DaddyG

Thanks. My cup runneth over.

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:15pm

re: #82 subsailor68

Actually Charles, I do think there's a place for Ron Paul on television.

Today on the Food Network: Rachael Ray.

Rachael's special guest this morning is Ron Paul, who's here to show Rachael how to make his famous, home made 'nutty buddies' ice cream treat."

I don't care who you are, that is one of the funniest things written this week. ;)

87 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:19pm

re: #79 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have this strange feeling I would regret asking what one of those are, so I shall refrain. ;)

Gotta look that one up. I know that the president in Dr. Strangelove (Merkin Muffley) was named after a female anatomical reference, but I always figured they were talking about the "Muffley" part. Shows what I know.

88 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:22pm

I don't know what I fear most: That the mainstreaming of the radical right will fail by turning off conservatives and relegate them to the political sidelines or that it will succeed in energizing them and give them credibility.

89 doppelganglander  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:52pm

re: #75 DaddyG

I think those were the 90% of people who worked hard to put food on the table, loved their kids, walked the dog and generally minded their own business without expecting an -ism to come along and change their lives.

I don't want to sit back and watch my country, and the rest of the world, get swallowed up by evil men and failed ideologies. Besides voting and bitching and moaning here at LGF, I'm not sure what I'm going to do, but I feel like I ought to do something. Running for office is not an option and I'm less and less inclined support the Republican Party, for obvious reasons.

90 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #84 Syrah

That's probably for the best.

I never did do the best or smart thing, but I want to break the streak. ;)

91 Arrr  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:07:18pm

Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?

He said "Yes, absolutely."

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:01pm

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

Gotta look that one up. I know that the president in Dr. Strangelove (Merkin Muffley) was named after a female anatomical reference, but I always figured they were talking about the "Muffley" part. Shows what I know.

You have provided more than enough of what I really didn't want to know. ;)

93 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:10pm

re: #88 DaddyG

I don't know what I fear most: That the mainstreaming of the radical right will fail by turning off conservatives and relegate them to the political sidelines or that it will succeed in energizing them and give them credibility.

It will energize the nutty ones and turn off the sane ones.

/a twofer

94 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:10pm

re: #81 Russkilitlover

Excellent piece by Mr. McCarthy. Of course, being a lawyer, he couldn't just RSVP with FOAD.

That might sound good in Latin.

Fornicatus et mortius?

/I've got almost no clue about Latin, perhaps you have noticed.

95 hazzyday  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:03pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.

DHS memo's don't mean much to me. The one the hubbub was about was a hard read from being poorly written. And in hindsight it had no significant effect on anything anywhere except as a news item. And it exposed a lack of trust in a DHS run by the Obama Adminstration by a set of the population. Most law enforcement leaders are pragmatic folks who know crap when they see it. A few like to nifong people for personal reasons but they are exceptions to the population I would hope.

I don't think it harms us as a people to ask them not to fall for crap. Make an effort to be informed.

I am a fan of big government when it comes to national defense and setting the proper rules for free markets being good for the little guy. I'm no fan of big government when they overtax me, try to manipulate me through social policy, or track my activities.

That's when the conservatives are in control. I'm even a lessor fan of this when liberals are in control. I think they have greater eroding effects on freedoms than conservatives do.

I am always slow on the draw judging people to be bad unless they are totally obvious.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:04pm

re: #91 Arrr

Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?

He said "Yes, absolutely."

Have too much of that already, the lefty stuff, so making a buck off being a raving, loony righty one really is the smart business move.

97 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

You have provided more than enough of what I really didn't want to know. ;)

Hey, I didn't know what the hell "teabagging" was until the whole Tea Party controversy.

98 avanti  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:41pm

re: #52 yma o hyd

Here's a rather good editorial, in today's TIMES/London, which addresses the implied theme of this thread:

The incredible shrinking elephant.
Why moderate US Republicans must stand up for themselves

Concluding paragraph:
'America needs the Republicans, yet they are flirting with irrelevance. To return to relevance the party must be rebuilt as a coalition, not a clique. Its leaders must embrace its moderates, and its moderates - on everything from taxes to abortion - must stand up for themselves.'

RTWT!

The only good news for the GOP is that the voters they are loosing are becoming Independents, not Democrats. The GOP s at 20% of registered voters, the Dems about 34%, the rest are Independents. (The fastest growing group)

99 CommonCents  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:43pm

re: #91 Arrr

Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?

He said "Yes, absolutely."

but there is already too much competition in that niche.

100 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:10:06pm

re: #91 Arrr

Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?

He said "Yes, absolutely."

At that point Diogenes showed up and threw a lantern at his head. /

101 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:10:41pm

re: #82 subsailor68

Actually Charles, I do think there's a place for Ron Paul on television.

Today on the Food Network: Rachael Ray.

Rachael's special guest this morning is Ron Paul, who's here to show Rachael how to make his famous, home made 'nutty buddies' ice cream treat."

How about a guest spot on "What not to Wear"?
A guest appearance on "Man vs. Wild"--instead, it's Ron that get dropped into the middle o'nowhere.

MTV--Ron Paul's Dance Party
VH-1- the Flavor of Ron
Discovery- "I Shouldn't be Alive"
History's Mysteries- Ron Paul

102 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:10:48pm

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

Hey, I didn't know what the hell "teabagging" was until the whole Tea Party controversy.

Would you please stop? I am perverted enough without the Master's Degree instruction you insist on providing. ;)

103 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #94 CyanSnowHawk

That might sound good in Latin.

Fornicatus et mortius?

/I've got almost no clue about Latin, perhaps you have noticed.


Wonderful! I've been trying to find a good latin tranlsation of "I'd rather be a smart ass than a dumb ass" so my kids can use it on their public school teachers.

104 Buck  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:27pm

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

Hey, I didn't know what the hell "teabagging" was until the whole Tea Party controversy.

Ya... me too... cough cough..

105 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:43pm

re: #78 Syrah

Is that anything like a merkintilist?

No--I don't believe in cove-ups. I want the truth exposed./

106 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:55pm

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans

Would you please stop? I am perverted enough without the Master's Degree instruction you insist on providing. ;)

Sorry. :-(

107 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:12:04pm

re: #101 calcajun Real Life with Ron Paul... uh... never mind there is no way to make that one work.

108 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:13:07pm

re: #101 calcajun

Or maybe:

American Idol.

"Contestant Ron Paul wowed the audience with his poignant rendition of "I Dreamed a Dream". Simon Cowell, while giving Ron a thumbs up, did recommend that Paul pluck his eyebrows and dye the gray hair."

109 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:13:32pm

Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.

This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.

Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?

110 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:11pm

re: #108 subsailor68

Or maybe:

American Idol.

"Contestant Ron Paul wowed the audience with his poignant rendition of "I Dreamed a Dream". Simon Cowell, while giving Ron a thumbs up, did recommend that Paul pluck his eyebrows and dye the gray hair."

Speaking of... On Drudge... Simon Cowell has said that they have invited the President to appear on American Idol... Because 'He's a rock star.'

111 dalejrfanfreak  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:37pm

Oh please....the only time I hear about these guys is when you post about it on here. Does anyone even watch the online news shows? I know I don't. I also know that Fox News is beating CNN and MSNBC combined in every single time slot now AND it's the #2 channel in all of cable when it comes to total viewers. Hannity is a bit much, and Beck is super emo, but O'reilly does a good job imo.

112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:38pm

re: #42 Phillies2008

These paleo nutjobs are worse than Democrats.

There seem to be quite a few neo nutters in the mix as well, this is an ecumenical far-right fringe movement FNC is promoting.

113 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:45pm

re: #1 bungie

Its all about ratings.

Napolitano needs to find another two-headed calf.

114 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:52pm

re: #47 Diamond Bullet

The irony is that the continual pumping of these far right (or off the reservation entirely) conspiracy kooks as mainstream is starting to make me wonder whether it's a conspiracy to discredit regular conservatives. I guess it's time for me to start up a website arguing that Building 7 was taken down by an invisible Fox News blimp. Sigh.

I have long thought fox was a moby network.

115 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Howso? I heard them challenging Obama on plenty of issues... Rev. Wright. Rezko.

Sean Hannity was the one who was basically leading the charge originally on FNC regarding those two issues.

116 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Well, I think you have gone around the bend.
And, for the record, you are encouraging violence (or terrorism) when you say that conservatives should "throw out the Paulians" from public demonstrations, because you simply can't do that lawfully, you'd have to resort to violence or terrorism to do it.

IMHO

117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:16:24pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.

This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.

Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?

I was never snookered into thinking FNC was more than just a crass attempt to cash in on a vast portion of the audience the rest of the FMSM refused to service.

118 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:09pm

Speaking of FNC and the kook-patrol. Several weeks ago Red Eye had Pamela Geller which I'm sure everyone heard about. Today I was watching a clip of Red Eye on FNC and during a short gossip blip Andy Levy quoted a certain blogger: R. S. McCain.

Kind of makes you wonder. Or perhaps not.

119 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #110 tfc3rid

Speaking of... On Drudge... Simon Cowell has said that they have invited the President to appear on American Idol... Because 'He's a rock star.'

Ouch! What's he gonna sing? "Falling in Love With Me is Falling for Me Alone", from "The Boys From Chicago"?

120 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:35pm

re: #116 rawmuse

-1
If that was supposed to be funny you should have used a sarc tag. Seriously, I can't tell with you guys these days.

121 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:35pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.

This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.

Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?

Didn't they show him in Hawaii without his shirt on?
/

122 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:18:26pm

re: #78 Syrah

Is that anything like a merkintilist?

Well, in Dr. Strangelove, the president is Merkin Muffley.

123 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:19:24pm

re: #122 Kosh's Shadow

Well, in Dr. Strangelove, the president is Merkin Muffley.

Just when I thought I was out, you guys pull me back in.

*SIGH* ;)

124 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:19:43pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I was serious. No sarcasm. You know darned well what you are advocating.
So, I call you out.

125 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:19:48pm

re: #111 dalejrfanfreak

Does anyone even watch the on line news shows?

I have a strange suspicion that most television audience numbers reflect a whole lot of people who leave news channels while they are at work to keep the pets from feeling lonely.

126 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #63 tfc3rid

Yes, but what does that prove? Paul is somehow elected to Congress by his constituents. Cavuto has every right to interview womever he sees fit.

He also has Bernie Sanders on, I know Neil is not a commie.

I get it -- you deny there's any significance to Fox News' increasing promotion of extreme nuts like Ron Paul, then you praise Neil Cavuto. I point out that Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show frequently, and your answer is "so what?"

Denial. It's not just for lefties any more.

127 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:21:36pm

re: #59 calcajun

Of course. We're the Contrarian Party now.

No we aren't!

128 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:21:37pm

re: #124 rawmuse

Wow, you guys have truly lost your minds.

129 debutaunt  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:06pm

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

FNC is becoming as much a part of the FMSM even as they pimp the Right/Fascist fringe.

If selective, you can find Dennis Miller and Liz Trotta there, for some common sense.

130 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:16pm

re: #125 DaddyG

I have a strange suspicion that most television audience numbers reflect a whole lot of people who leave news channels while they are at work to keep the pets from feeling lonely.

They should leave on the Animal Planet, then.

Maybe that's why Monty Python had the news for wombats.

131 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #127 Kenneth

No we aren't!

I'd like to have an argument, please.

132 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:57pm

re: #126 Charles

I get it -- you deny there's any significance to Fox News' increasing promotion of the extreme nuts like Ron Paul, then you praise Neil Cavuto. I point out that Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show frequently, and your answer is "so what?"

Denial. It's not just for lefties any more.

You keep talking about it, denial by the right, and we get a prime example of it dropped into our laps. Such a good case study.

133 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:23:08pm

re: #48 Charles

I never applauded the creation of DHS. For me, the bumbling, bungling Tom Ridge (duct tape for chemical attacks, anyone?) always will be its spokesman, even as it moves from one debacle (Hurricane Katrina, anyone?) to another.

134 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:23:08pm

re: #124 rawmuse

I was serious. No sarcasm. You know darned well what you are advocating.
So, I call you out.

Out of his mom's basement?

/throwing more gas on the fire

135 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:23:08pm

re: #127 Kenneth

You came here for an argument./

136 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #135 calcajun

You came here for an argument./

It's getting hit on the head lessons in here.

137 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:21pm

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

Out of his mom's basement?

That's the Impenetrable Fortress, to you, buddy.//

138 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:44pm

This anti-government paranoia is a direct influence of the radical right. Paulians and Alex Jones types have been railing against the DHS and FEMA for years. It's sad to see conservatives embrace this as a core value.

139 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:49pm

re: #131 Kosh's Shadow

I'd like to have an argument, please.

That's last the thread, this is abuse.

140 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:50pm

re: #136 Kosh's Shadow

It's getting hit on the head lessons in here.

Sorry, this is abuse!

141 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:03pm

re: #135 calcajun

You came here for an argument./

No, I didn't.


142 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:08pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Wow, you guys have truly lost your minds.

Speak for yourself, for when I speak, I speak only for myself.
I am not a part of any "you guys", except by my choice of association.

Look, your posts are a matter of record. I can go back find any number of them where you encourage conservatives to do any number of clearly provocative or inflammatory things, which I would not dare do for reasons previously stated.

143 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:19pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.

This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.

Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?

True. In fact it seemed as though during the election the dominant theme for Fox News was to get Obama on Fox and interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. This eventually took place and a lot of pandering took place on the part of O'Reilly.

In the end the Obama victory has become a boon for FNC. Their profits and viewers have increased with his presidency since they have essential been handed the conspiracies and news fodder for what they do best. A McCain win would have been less profitable for FNC.

144 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.

Link/source?

145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:36pm

re: #133 quickjustice

I never applauded the creation of DHS. For me, the bumbling, bungling Tom Ridge (duct tape for chemical attacks, anyone?) always will be its spokesman, even as it moves from one debacle (Hurricane Katrina, anyone?) to another.

Enough folks on the right were all for its creation, so their whining now about the agency is a bit of cognitive dissonance. They are so much like the left in that something is good only when their party is in charge.

146 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:40pm

You want to complain? I want to complain! I just bought these shoes...

147 rightwinger3  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:00pm

re: #33 Honorary Yooper

Fox has always struck me as the TV version of the National Enquirer. Lots of sensationalism with little substance. Of course, CNN and MSNBC aren't much any better.

Yoop, fixed. You didn't like the glowing puck on Fox Sports either?

148 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Link/source?

Domestic Extremism Lexicon

149 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:29pm

re: #140 Ward Cleaver

Sorry, this is abuse!

You forgot to add, "You snotty-nosed heap of parrot droppings!"

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:37pm

re: #129 debutaunt

If selective, you can find Dennis Miller and Liz Trotta there, for some common sense.

No thanks, I don't want to be bobbing for apples in the FNC cesspool.

151 DistantThunder  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:53pm
152 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:27:04pm
153 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:27:45pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

You who's crazier than Alex Jones? I won't link or even mention his name, but I found a site today where some guy thinks Alex Jones is part of the "criminal Jewish conspiracy" because Jones' 9-11 "investigations" are covering up the real real troof. There's no end to the crazy!

154 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:27:51pm

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Link/source?

Here's the memo -- it's a lexicon of extremist groups, and it was recalled "within minutes" of being released to law enforcement. So naturally, we're all supposed to scream bloody murder about it.

[Link: www.tdbimg.com...]

155 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #146 Ward Cleaver

You want to complain? I want to complain! I just bought these shoes...


pig at the complaint desk : "my wife is a slut..."

/kramer

156 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:27pm

re: #146 Ward Cleaver

You want to complain? I want to complain! I just bought these shoes...

Shh. Inspector Flying Fox of the Yard will be here soon.

157 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:27pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Domestic Extremism Lexicon

Thank you.

From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".

158 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #118 Gus 802

Did you watch the video in #23? Around the 14 minute mark, I thought robert was going to beat the table.

159 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:55pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

You're not paranoid if the little green men are really out to get you. And if the Obama Administration is adopting corporatism as its governing philosophy, we have every right to protest that.

Don't know what "corporatism" is? Try this link: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

160 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:30pm

re: #156 calcajun

Shh. Inspector Flying Fox of the Yard will be here soon.

He's going to arrest us for hijacking threads.

161 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:46pm

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".

Even-handed? Not according to Ed Morrissey, who's screaming bloody murder.

162 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:48pm

re: #156 calcajun

Shh. Inspector Flying Fox of the Yard will be here soon.

Watch out for the Special Branch!

[WHACK as you walk into tree branch]

-"The Young Ones", circa 1984(?)

163 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:55pm

re: #151 DistantThunder

Please listen to this 911 call from the WTC of Melissa on the 83rd floor.

Mr. HOlder this is torture.

Holder: "Sorry, that happened after September 10th, 2001. Not relevant anymore."

164 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:59pm

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".

WTF?! I'm an "other"! Why does DHS hate me? ///

165 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:30:46pm

re: #154 Charles

That document refers to every extremist group: left, right, anarchist, racist, ethnic, anti-technology, religious cults, etc. It looks to me like the DHS is doing their job.

166 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:31:07pm

re: #45 Honorary Yooper

I usually find them as insufferable as the Daily Kos and DU crowd. Full of the same sorts of hates as well, just at differing ends of the spectrum.

When it comes to the level of hatred the fringe elements of the political spectrum express there is is no difference. It is all just "hate what is not me".

167 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".

Yes, it does. Seems like a handy document. Even has some things for environmentalists to "complain" about. Runs the gamut of extremist groups and movements in a compact document.

168 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #165 Kenneth

That document refers to every extremist group: left, right, anarchist, racist, ethnic, anti-technology, religious cults, etc. It looks to me like the DHS is doing their job.

Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."

169 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:05pm

Of course TV and the media in general attracts loonies.

The truth is usually pretty simple, and there is not much really new to say. It is "boring" in other words.

So if you want new things all the time, and exciting things, most of them will be wrong. (Exciting news!) &ct.

And "nuts" and "mistake" or "error" just go so well together.

170 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:05pm

re: #153 Kenneth

You who's crazier than Alex Jones? I won't link or even mention his name, but I found a site today where some guy thinks Alex Jones is part of the "criminal Jewish conspiracy" because Jones' 9-11 "investigations" are covering up the real real troof. There's no end to the crazy!

Might I be impertinent and and inquire as to what the real troof is, as expressed by this nutter?

Or will it be something I end of regretting asking for?

171 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:07pm

re: #126 Charles

I get it -- you deny there's any significance to Fox News' increasing promotion of the extreme nuts like Ron Paul, then you praise Neil Cavuto. I point out that Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show frequently, and your answer is "so what?"

Denial. It's not just for lefties any more.

I don't deny the significance I just don't see it as being something that is leading a widespread takeover of the GOP... These clowns are just not that powerful.

My answer wasn't 'So What?', I pointed out that Cavuto also has on the likes of commies like Bernie Sanders... He has on John McCain often.

I personally have no issues with FNC... Do they sensationalize, of course. Everyone does. Again, my opinion. My thoughts.

172 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:08pm

re: #161 Charles

Even-handed? Not according to Ed Morrissey, who's screaming bloody murder.

"Alternative media"? Uh oh, we're extremists.

173 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:15pm

re: #161 Charles

Even-handed? Not according to Ed Morrissey, who's screaming bloody murder.

Hell, it even has this:

(

U) Mexican
separatism
(U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals of
Mexican descent who advocate the secession of southwestern
U.S. states (all or part of Arizona, California, New Mexico,
and Texas) to join with Mexico through armed struggle.
Members do not recognize the legitimacy of these U.S. states,
including the U.S. Government’s original acquisition of these
territories.

First time I've ever seen any direct mention of this phenomenon in any government document or statement, far as I can remember.

174 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:16pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

Did you watch the video in #23? Around the 14 minute mark, I thought robert was going to beat the table.

Let me take a look...

175 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:35pm

re: #168 Charles

Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."

That's Ed's opinion... Doesn't look like it to me...

176 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:42pm

re: #151 DistantThunder

Please listen to this 911 call from the WTC of Melissa on the 83rd floor.

Mr. HOlder this is torture.

I can only upding you once for this but would, if I could, give you thousands.
We are slowly but surely being lulled into a September 10th mindset. We can never be reminded too much of what happened the day after!

177 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:34:09pm

re: #173 Occasional Reader

First time I've ever seen any direct mention of this phenomenon in any government document or statement, far as I can remember.

Hey, if it gets us decent Mexican food...

/

178 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:34:09pm

From the DHS memo:

racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)

Odin's Cross debates anybody?

179 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:34:50pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

WTF?! I'm an "other"! Why does DHS hate me? ///

Me, I'm in the clear... nothing there about "Conservative Democrat JudeoChristoPhilic Atheist Adriana Lima-Stalkers".

180 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:04pm

re: #171 tfc3rid

Even a sleazy internet dating site couldn't find a clue for you to meet.

181 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:29pm

re: #178 Kenneth

From the DHS memo:

racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)

Odin's Cross debates anybody?

Morrissey's comment on that:

All you Odin followers need to get yourselves registered with the DHS, pronto, and stop watching Kröd Mandoon.

Off. The. Rails.

182 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:31pm

re: #154 Charles

Here's the memo -- it's a lexicon of extremist groups, and it was recalled "within minutes" of being released to law enforcement. So naturally, we're all supposed to scream bloody murder about it.

[Link: www.tdbimg.com...]

wow! thats a regular "who's who" of cuck-coo birds. There's groups on there I never heard of or even imagined existed..

183 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:43pm

re: #168 Charles

Any person or group advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, or violent attacks on public officials or facilities, is an appropriate object of government interest. The FBI formerly did this job. Why does anyone think that DHS is any better at it?

184 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #168 Charles

Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."

Since when has his opinion mattered more than my lying eyes and ears?

185 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:12pm

re: #172 Ward Cleaver

"Alternative media"? Uh oh, we're extremists.

Hadn't noticed that. Now that IS a little weird.

186 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:27pm

re: #168 Charles

Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."

It's not the political thought that the DHS is monitoring. Every one of the groups on the list engages in criminal activity including violence.

Here's a lefty one for the record:

(U) green anarchism

(U//FOUO) A movement of groups or
individuals who combine anarchist
ideology with an environmental focus.
They advocate a return to a preindustrial,
agrarian society, often
through acts of violence and terrorism.
187 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:35pm

re: #178 Kenneth

From the DHS memo:

racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)

Odin's Cross debates anybody?

They didn't get the memo from GoV that it's a meaningless symbol, I guess.

188 DistantThunder  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:38pm

re: #176 Truck Monkey

I can only upding you once for this but would, if I could, give you thousands.
We are slowly but surely being lulled into a September 10th mindset. We can never be reminded too much of what happened the day after!

It's the sound of someone being burned alive. Thousands of people tortured for hours, then slaughtered.

189 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:37:10pm

re: #181 Charles

Off. The. Rails.

Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.

190 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:37:24pm

re: #181 Charles

such as Odinism or Asatru.

As long as they're not cracking down on Onanism.

Er... not that it would affect me, you understand.

191 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:37:47pm

re: #172 Ward Cleaver

"Alternative media"? Uh oh, we're extremists.

No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

192 Wendya  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:00pm

re: #62 DaddyG


I know that FOX is motivated by ratings and money. This much is not a mystery. But I'm perplexed as to why the conservative pundits and political organizations are allowing themselves to be radicalized by the most extreme examples of the right of center crowd.

The media has its own agenda whether it's making money or promoting a specific ideology. Unfortunately, the rest of the media is so rabid about promoting the current administration and demonizing anyone on the right, people are going to turn to places like Fox to get an opposing opinion and they will take the good with the bad. Fox is under no obligation to be a mouthpiece for any ideology and we're not being realistic if we suggest they need to take a purist line.

193 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Domestic Extremism Lexicon

Nice document. Has definitions for a lot of the types of groups out there, and even some I didn't know existed.

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:33pm

re: #191 Charles

No, that is not what the report say at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

*cough*DU!*cough* ;)

195 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:33pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

They didn't get the memo from GoV that it's a meaningless symbol, I guess.

Good point... That's a gotcha...

196 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:34pm

re: #177 Ward Cleaver

Hey, if it gets us decent Mexican food...

/

I think it basically seeks to create a large, new swatch of territory for Mexicans to flee from.

197 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:57pm

re: #189 Ward Cleaver

Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.

Some new Comedy Central show thingy...

198 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:10pm

Murdoch want to grab eyeballs. The WSJ, which he now controls, is the only newspaper that didn't lose circulation in the most recent survey.

199 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

*cough*DU!*cough* ;)

I was thinking more of sites like Stormfront and National Vanguard.

200 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:25pm

re: #191 Charles

No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

I do think the use of this as a defined term in this context is a little odd. It's like definining "pamphlets", ferpetessake.

201 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:25pm

re: #191 Charles

No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

Okay, I get it. Like Free Speech TV (Gah!).

202 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:45pm

re: #168 Charles

Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."

Has Ed ever heard the phrase "a hit bird flutters"?

203 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #148 Gus 802

re: #154 Charles

And this memo is bad? How?. Seems like a pretty straight forward document to me. Just a list of definitions about assorted left/right fringe groups.

Am I missing something?

204 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:02pm

re: #191 Charles

No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

GoV, DKos, DU, JW all come to mind.

205 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:20pm

re: #180 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even a sleazy internet dating site couldn't find a clue for you to meet.

Wow... Enlighten me. And if you'd like to email me, feel free.

206 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:28pm

I like Ed, but it sounds like his reach is exceeding his grasp here.

207 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:30pm

re: #192 Wendya

The media has its own agenda whether it's making money or promoting a specific ideology. Unfortunately, the rest of the media is so rabid about promoting the current administration and demonizing anyone on the right, people are going to turn to places like Fox to get an opposing opinion and they will take the good with the bad. Fox is under no obligation to be a mouthpiece for any ideology and we're not being realistic if we suggest they need to take a purist line.

FNC can promote any partisan agenda they wish, for any reason. I am equally eligible in refusing to swallow the hogwash by not watching or listening to it.

208 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:37pm

re: #191 Charles

No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

Jihadi videos on youtube come to mind.

209 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:52pm

re: #181 Charles

Off. The. Rails.

Odd. Say you're a prison guard and you have a skinhead suddenly showing an interest in Odinism. Does he think they should look the other way? Typically that would be signal for prison officials.

210 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:59pm

re: #178 Kenneth

Odin's Cross

Is he, now? Well, tell him to quit whining and get over it.

211 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:02pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader

I do think the use of this as a defined term in this context is a little odd. It's like definining "pamphlets", ferpetessake.

Well, remember -- these reports are intended as backgrounders for law enforcement. I guarantee there are plenty of cops out there who'd like at a term like "alternative media" and say "WTF?"

212 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #168 Charles

Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."

He used to be so sensible. Sad.

213 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #199 Charles

I was thinking more of sites like Stormfront and National Vanguard.

I stand corrected at my lame attempt at humor.

214 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #179 Occasional Reader

Me, I'm in the clear... nothing there about "Conservative Democrat JudeoChristoPhilic Atheist Adriana Lima-Stalkers".

I have three pair of Docs. I am screwed. (Though the leopard print ones look particularly menacing.)

215 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:15pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

Jihadi videos on youtube come to mind.

Nah, those are probably ok... They are still there...

216 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:21pm

re: #203 Bubblehead II

re: #154 Charles

And this memo is bad? How?. Seems like a pretty straight forward document to me. Just a list of definitions about assorted left/right fringe groups.

Am I missing something?

Go check Hot Air's take on it.

217 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:25pm

re: #196 Occasional Reader

a large, new swatch

218 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:42pm

re: #189 Ward Cleaver

Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.

I think he was one of the cops on "Car 54 Where Are You?" The other one was Gunther Toody IIRC.

219 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #179 Occasional Reader

Me, I'm in the clear... nothing there about "Conservative Democrat JudeoChristoPhilic Atheist Adriana Lima-Stalkers".

Check the footnotes. /

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #205 tfc3rid

Wow... Enlighten me. And if you'd like to email me, feel free.

Nope, I have a life.

221 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:23pm

re: #191 Charles

No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.

But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.

Alex Jones and David Icke, for two.

222 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:26pm

re: #216 Charles

Go check Hot Air's take on it.

I think it comes down to people overreacting without really reading it...

223 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:33pm

re: #211 Charles

Well, remember -- these reports are intended as backgrounders for law enforcement. I guarantee there are plenty of cops out there who'd like at a term like "alternative media" and say "WTF?"

That should be "look" at a term...

224 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:42pm

re: #211 Charles

I guarantee there are plenty of cops out there who'd [look] at a term like "alternative media" and say "WTF?"

Don't know that I agree with you there.

But no big deal.

225 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:50pm

re: #215 tfc3rid

Nah, those are probably ok... They are still there...

But let's be sure to get James Rhandi blocked.

226 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:04pm

re: #189 Ward Cleaver

Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.

New show on Comedy Central. Magic, medieval era.

227 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:26pm

re: #217 Ojoe

a large, new swatch

Reminds me of a "Snob Appeal, Slob Appeal" article in MAD Magazine many years ago. A watch big enough that you could bash someone with it.

228 JacksonTn  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:38pm

re: #214 capitalist piglet

I have three pair of Docs. I am screwed. (Though the leopard print ones look particularly menacing.)

CP .. doc martins? ... I have two pairs I have had forever ... they never wear out ...

229 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:42pm

re: #221 MandyManners

Alex Jones and David Icke, for two.

Well, maybe not extremist but, definitely whacko.

230 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:51pm

Wow... Looking at the comments... Yikes...

231 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:12pm

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

New show on Comedy Central. Magic, medieval era.

I thought it sounded stupid.

232 Kragar  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:37pm
Christian Identity (U//FOUO) A racist religious philosophy that maintains non-Jewish whites are “God’s Chosen People” and the true descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Groups or individuals can be followers of either the Covenant or Dual Seedline doctrine; all believe that Jews are conspiring with Satan to control world affairs and that the world is on the verge of the Biblical apocalypse. Dual Seedline adherents believe Jews are the literal offspring of Satan and that nonwhites, who are often referred to as “mud people,” are not human beings.

I just really dont have any clue on how some one can wrap their mind around that.

233 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:51pm

re: #225 Sharmuta

But let's be sure to get James Rhandi blocked.

Can't have a rational scientist corrupting our kids from the truth of Creationism and other New Age Beliefs.

/ is it sarcasm or is it memorex?

234 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:53pm

re: #147 rightwinger3

Yoop, fixed. You didn't like the glowing puck on Fox Sports either?

I've got some words for the glowing puck, but I don't want to get deleted or banned.

235 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:58pm

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

New show on Comedy Central. Magic, medieval era.

You forgot leather bustiers and skirts./

236 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:45:25pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Don't know that I agree with you there.

But no big deal.

I've spoken to policemen when I received neo-Nazi threats, who had never heard of "blogs." I promise you ... "alternative media" is a new phrase to a lot of law enforcement people, and does need to be defined in the context of that report.

237 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:45:26pm

re: #217 Ojoe

a large, new swatch

Bah! That ain't no thang.

238 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:45:31pm

re: #235 calcajun

You forgot leather bustiers and skirts./

Very realistic...

239 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:12pm

re: #217 Ojoe

a large, new swatch

The Japanese were trying to make those things smaller for decades then along came Flav-a-flav and blew it all to heck!

240 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:18pm

After 9-11 people rightly complained the various security agencies didn't do their jobs properly. The faults identified were lack of training, poor communication, & agency firewalls. These DHS initiatives are aimed at overcome all three of those problems.

(U) black bloc (U//FOUO)

An organized collection of violent anarchists and anarchist affinity groups that band together for illegal acts of
civil disturbance and use tactics that destroy property or strain
law enforcement resources. Black blocs operate in
autonomous cells that infiltrate nonviolent protests, often
without the knowledge of the organizers of the event
.

The FBI & etc do need to be aware. And quite frankly, so do concerned citizens who organize peaceful protest. Violent thugs are infiltrating them. I saw it in 2001 and 2002 when International Answer infiltrated the "peace movement" protests.

241 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:19pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

Did you watch the video in #23? Around the 14 minute mark, I thought robert was going to beat the table.

Almost. Same talking points from Spencer. I find it odd that they seem to be having a one way conversation. What I mean is that they only succeed in speaking to their own audience but rarely do you see them speaking to the Imams for example. That would be the only route that can create effective change. In addition, their embracing of Geert Wilders who calls Islam a "retarded religion" doesn't help matters much.

Seeing the books lined up it reminded me of a trade show. I guess one can call this the Anti-Jihad Industry which I imagine can be rather lucrative: books, speaking engagements, seminars, DVDs, etc. Would a solution to jihad be in their financial interest?

242 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:23pm

Notice -- this time, Ed Morrissey's yelling about a report that was recalled "within minutes" of its release.

243 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:30pm

re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just really dont have any clue on how some one can wrap their mind around that.

I don't even try to begin to attempt such a thing. My mind is damaged enough already. ;)

244 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:34pm

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

medieval era.

Never existed-era. Everyone's got smooth skin and straight white teeth.

245 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #239 DaddyG

GMTA (see my 237)

246 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:18pm

re: #235 calcajun

You forgot leather bustiers and skirts./

Well, I hope it does better than their last pilot, "Eczema: Warrior Princess."

(ducks)

247 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:27pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Is he, now? Well, tell him to quit whining and get over it.

Yeah, and Thor is sore!

248 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:42pm

re: #241 Gus 802

Would a solution to jihad be in their financial interest?

Isn't that the $20,000 question? Great point.

249 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:48pm

re: #230 tfc3rid

Wow... Looking at the comments... Yikes...

I'm sorry I looked at the comments over at Hot Air now. They've gone nucking futs. Does anyone have a shower handy?

250 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:49pm

re: #242 Charles

Notice -- this time, Ed Morrissey's yelling about a report that was recalled "within minutes" of its release.

That will be conveniently forgotten in the throes of peoples' ODS.

251 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:53pm

re: #238 tfc3rid

Very realistic...

realism, schmealism. I see them and I forget how bad the dialogue is.

253 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:28pm

re: #217 Ojoe

a large, new swatch

No fine watchmaking mechanism in that one, only finest a Chinese manual labor factory works go into Armani watches.

254 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:32pm

re: #234 Honorary Yooper

How about Scooter the talking baseball? I think my all-time favorite Scooter moment was when Pedro Martinez buzzed Hideki Matsui's tower and the ball barely got in Varitek's mitt before this squeaky anthromorpic baseball was explaining to the kiddies at home the brushback pitch...

255 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:48pm
256 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:51pm

re: #248 Sharmuta

Isn't that the $20,000 question? Great point.

Thanks. Not unlike the theory about keeping the poor poor to maintain a strong voting block.

257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:53pm

Charles, maybe for the new lizards, you could post a primer on why Paul, Rockwell & Jones are considered racists & nutjobs? Buchanan doesn't need an intro, IMHO, but maybe him too?

258 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:56pm

re: #246 subsailor68

"Eczema: Warrior Princess." (ducks)

Another skin flick that got scratched.

259 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:49:11pm

re: #237 Occasional Reader GMTA

260 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:49:15pm

re: #244 calcajun

Never existed-era. Everyone's got smooth skin and straight white teeth.

I always like the part in movies taking place many hundreds of years ago, when they have a closeup of someone shouting, and you can see their fillings.

(Another anachronism I caught recently: While watching American Gangster (again), I noticed that Frank Lucas (Denzel Washington) is shown at one point totting up the sums he's making from his heroin business on a small electronic calculator... in 1968.)

261 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:49:17pm

It seems like Ed is upset about the characterization of specific groups (including right-wing extremeists and anti-immigration extemism) but never a specific mention of Muslim extremists...

If true, I cannot really disagree with him there...

262 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:19pm

re: #258 calcajun

Another skin flick that got scratched.

I see where this is leading....please stop now.

263 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:20pm

re: #245 Occasional Reader
GMTA GMTA - we could do this all evening. /

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:46pm

re: #262 BignJames

I see where this is leading....please stop now.

I wish it had never started.

265 KenJen  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:47pm

re: #237 Occasional Reader

Bah! That ain't no thang.

Flava Flav could be one of those radical Nordic mysticism guys listed in the report.

266 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:53pm

re: #244 calcajun

Never existed-era. Everyone's got smooth skin and straight white teeth.

"How do you know he's a king?"
"E's the only one ain't got shit all over 'im."
/Monty Python & The Holy Grail

267 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:54pm

re: #259 DaddyG

GMTA

GMTA even about posting "GMTA"!

268 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:57pm

re: #262 BignJames

I see where this is leading....please stop now.

We should withdraw all skin flick puns?

269 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:09pm

re: #242 Charles

He needs a large new swatch.

270 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:10pm

re: #263 DaddyG

GMTA GMTA - we could do this all evening. /

IT'S LIKE YOU READ MY MIND!

271 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:17pm

The only good point that Ed makes is that there is no mention of muslim extremists in the document.

272 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:19pm

re: #235 calcajun

You forgot leather bustiers and skirts./

leather bustier thread?

273 KingKenrod  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:22pm

re: #261 tfc3rid

It seems like Ed is upset about the characterization of specific groups (including right-wing extremeists and anti-immigration extemism) but never a specific mention of Muslim extremists...

If true, I cannot really disagree with him there...

Maybe Islamic extremists get their own memos.

274 Wendya  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:35pm

re: #178 Kenneth

From the DHS memo:

racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)

Odin's Cross debates anybody?

I'd never heard of it but apparently "Wotansvolk" is one of the many prison "religions" or "gangs". Even Mark Pitcavage of the SPL admits many people join these organizations for protection and special privileges. It's unknown how many people keep up the "belief" once they're released.

I would normally not visit the SPL website in search of information but this article was fairly interesting:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

275 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:51pm

re: #265 KenJen

Flava Flav could be one of those radical Nordic mysticism guys listed in the report.



He does dress the part.

276 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:14pm

re: #267 Occasional Reader

GMTA even about posting "GMTA"!


Help! We're stuck in a GMTA loop!

277 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:19pm

re: #268 jcm

We should withdraw all skin flick puns?


I've been punned near to death.

278 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:23pm

re: #268 jcm

We should withdraw all skin flick puns?

Is there a penalty for early withdraw? Maybe we should avoid plunging deeper into this subject.

279 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:39pm

re: #276 DaddyG

Help! We're stuck in a GMTA loop!

Wow. I was just thinking the same thing.

280 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:44pm

re: #262 BignJames

I see where this is leading....please stop now.

You with the filthy mind. Your attitude is hardly ap-peeling.

281 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:50pm

re: #228 JacksonTn

CP .. doc martins? ... I have two pairs I have had forever ... they never wear out ...

Yeah, they are apparently in the report (from the HotAir story):

Raw Story and the Daily Beast report that DHS produced a “lexicon” cataloguing the clues to detect extremists, which include Doc Martens and opposition to drivers licenses for illegal aliens

Apparently Docs are not just a funky, durable shoe - they're also popular with skinheads, I'm told. Yikes!

I'm pretty sure they don't wear the leopard print ones though, so maybe I don't have to throw 'em out.

282 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:51pm

re: #252 DistantThunder

Joe Leavey, a FDNY lieutenant who was off-duty on the morning of 9/11, was a neighbor of mine. He jumped in his car, and raced to his firehouse, which was in the South Street Seaport area close to Ground Zero. His last radio transmission was captured for posterity. He was leading his men up the stairs to the Sky Lobby in the WTC to treat and rescue the people who had been wounded by flying glass, and were bleeding to death.

The building came down on him and his men. We'll never forget.

283 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:03pm

re: #272 Kenneth

works for me.

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:09pm

re: #274 Wendya

I'd never heard of it but apparently "Wotansvolk" is one of the many prison "religions" or "gangs". Even Mark Pitcavage of the SPL admits many people join these organizations for protection and special privileges. It's unknown how many people keep up the "belief" once they're released.

I would normally not visit the SPL website in search of information but this article was fairly interesting:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

I guess not doing the crime in the first place so they need protection while in prison would be unfashionable thinking.

285 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:11pm

re: #273 KingKenrod

Maybe Islamic extremists get their own memos.

Maybe...

286 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:31pm

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pick any Alex Jones audio recording. Listen to it for 10 seconds. The man is a paranoid bat-shit crazy-ass.

287 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:44pm

re: #281 capitalist piglet

Apparently Docs are not just a funky, durable shoe - they're also popular with skinheads, I'm told. Yikes!

I'm pretty sure they don't wear the leopard print ones though, so maybe I don't have to throw 'em out.

And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.

288 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:51pm

re: #279 subsailor68

Wow. I was just thinking the same thing.

Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.

289 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:08pm

Those swatches cost (an) Armanileg.

290 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:48pm
291 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:50pm

re: #273 KingKenrod

Maybe Islamic extremists get their own memos.

I guess Ed didn't notice the introductory paragraph?

This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

How much more clear can they get? Yes, this memo is about a certain group of threats. Does he seriously believe the DHS has never issued anything about specifically Islamist terrorism?!

292 subsailor68  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:50pm

re: #288 DaddyG

Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.

I heard that's the latest buzz anyway.

;-)

293 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:58pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.

Like golf, think Pete Rose has a great haircut - that type of woman?

294 CommonCents  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:00pm

re: #147 rightwinger3

Yoop, fixed. You didn't like the glowing puck on Fox Sports either?

I didn't. That thing drove me nuts. If you can't follow the puck you really don't have a clue what's going on anyway.

295 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:05pm

re: #288 DaddyG

Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.

Resistance is futile. But we don't mind if you try.

296 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:06pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

This anti-government paranoia is a direct influence of the radical right. Paulians and Alex Jones types have been railing against the DHS and FEMA for years. It's sad to see conservatives embrace this as a core value.

Um....hello? Limited government IS a conservative core-value.

297 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:08pm

re: #280 calcajun

You with the filthy mind. Your attitude is hardly ap-peeling.

In fact you are being quite callus.

298 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:18pm

re: #288 DaddyG

Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.

Resistance is futile.

299 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:49pm

re: #249 Honorary Yooper

I'm sorry I looked at the comments over at Hot Air now. They've gone nucking futs. Does anyone have a shower handy?

Charles is a favorite target in the comments these days. I just wrote three replies about LGF/Charles on one thread alone.

300 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:13pm

re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans

I guess not doing the crime in the first place so they need protection while in prison would be unfashionable thinking.

The fact that prisoners form religiously or racially based extremist groups (white, black, Mexican, Muslim) says something about the society they inhabit and something about the society of similar extremists outside the prisons.

301 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:17pm

re: #258 calcajun

Another skin flick that got scratched.

Or the one about the upset Egyptian goddess:
Sore Isis

302 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:24pm

re: #297 DaddyG

In fact you are being quite callus.

You're trying to be cuticle.

303 Querent  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:25pm

re: #178 Kenneth

From the DHS memo:

racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)

Odin's Cross debates anybody?

(nooooo, not again!) which is all the more laughable to anyone who actually knows jack about Norse myth -- the idea of Odin having a cross -- in the usual sense in which a cross is understood -- doesn't make any sense.

(silly Nazis!)

304 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:35pm

re: #242 Charles

Notice -- this time, Ed Morrissey's yelling about a report that was recalled "within minutes" of its release.

Was this a test to see the reaction time of the blogs?
/

305 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:53pm

re: #299 capitalist piglet

Charles is a favorite target in the comments these days. I just wrote three replies about LGF/Charles on one thread alone.

I've been noticing that. The counterfeit site posted a screen not too long ago about Charles and Rusty, and it is kind to neither and brought all of the loonies out of the woodwork.

306 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:06pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.

Uh oh. What types? Whatever type it is, I am probably NOT it (unless it's suburban, convertible-driving musician types).

307 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:33pm

re: #302 calcajun

You're trying to be cuticle.


You nailed it!

308 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:37pm

re: #301 Kosh's Shadow

Or the one about the upset Egyptian goddess:
Sore Isis

That's the Bast pun yet!

309 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:46pm

re: #306 capitalist piglet

Uh oh. What types? Whatever type it is, I am probably NOT it (unless it's suburban, convertible-driving musician types).

Usually left-leaning types in my experience.

310 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #307 DaddyG

You nailed it!

These puns are sheer follicle.

311 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:24pm

re: #216 Charles

Oh boy. See what you mean.

The only people labeled “domestic extremists” in their lexicon are those opposed to them and their domestic power grab. It’s inside baseball in the guise of legitimate Federal government business.

312 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:45pm

It confirmed.

We are not alone!

'Alien skull' spotted on MarsAn oddly shaped space boulder appears to show eye sockets and a nose leading to speculation it might be a Martian skull.

One alien-spotter speculated: "The skull is 15 cm with binocular eyes 5 cm apart. The cranial capacity is approximately 1400 cc.

"There appears to be a narrow pointed small mouth, so this creature most likely is a carnivore."

Another joked: "The coronal ridge shows ample structure to support the musculature of antennae, although none are visible in this view.

313 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:36pm

re: #312 jcm

Had me Gorn there.

314 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:40pm

re: #275 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


He does dress the part.

The Vikings should give him free season tickets! Small price to pay for such great advertising.

315 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:47pm

re: #312 jcm

It confirmed.

We are not alone!

www.telegraph.co.uk...]>

Broken link....

316 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:19pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.

No. They're Birkenstocks. In the 70's they were Earth Shoes.

317 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:04pm

re: #222 tfc3rid

I think it comes down to people overreacting without really reading it...

Like signing the porkulis bill....

318 JacksonTn  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #287 Honorary Yooper

And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.

HY ... well, I don't know what kind of certain woman I am ... but I have had two pairs and wear them on the farms ... but then ... they are brown ... are those considered skinhead boots too? ... geez ... I am going to get profiled because of my boots ...

/my head is swirling ...

319 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:31pm
320 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:18pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Wow, you guys have truly lost your minds.

I am not the one trying to deny another citizen their 1st amendment rights.

321 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:26pm
322 DistantThunder  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:38pm

re: #282 quickjustice

Joe Leavey, a FDNY lieutenant who was off-duty on the morning of 9/11, was a neighbor of mine. He jumped in his car, and raced to his firehouse, which was in the South Street Seaport area close to Ground Zero. His last radio transmission was captured for posterity. He was leading his men up the stairs to the Sky Lobby in the WTC to treat and rescue the people who had been wounded by flying glass, and were bleeding to death.

The building came down on him and his men. We'll never forget.

Thank you for sharing that. Our friend was the co-pilot on the second plane to hit the towers. We attended the funeral without a body, and with military security like you can't believe, including air security.

323 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:52pm

You know, if FOX doesn't clean up their act, I'm going to stop watching the network solely for the news babes.

324 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:06pm

re: #312 jcm

It confirmed.

We are not alone!

'Alien skull' spotted on MarsAn oddly shaped space boulder appears to show eye sockets and a nose leading to speculation it might be a Martian skull.

One alien-spotter speculated: "The skull is 15 cm with binocular eyes 5 cm apart. The cranial capacity is approximately 1400 cc.

"There appears to be a narrow pointed small mouth, so this creature most likely is a carnivore."

Another joked: "The coronal ridge shows ample structure to support the musculature of antennae, although none are visible in this view.

I should know better than to try to make sense of nonsense, but noses don't have bones.

325 CantonJim  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:40pm

Greetings Lizards. Can anyone tell me what credentials this Judge actually has? I am not familiar with his bio.

He does bear a strong resemblance to Eddie Munster.

326 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:32pm

re: #325 CantonJim

He does bear a strong resemblance to Eddie Munster.

OMG! He does! I never thought of that.

327 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:04:33pm

re: #322 DistantThunder

Giuliani attended Joe's funeral. Giuliani attended every funeral of a uniformed officer struck down in the attacks.

Another of my neighbors, a bond trader with Cantor Fitzgerald, also was killed. He left behind a young widow and small children. At their funeral, his little girl learned over to a friend and whispered, "We're burying a finger bone. That's all they could find of Daddy."

328 Athos  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:25:28pm

re: #54 Charles

I'm on record with my contempt for the Judge and FNC permitting the Judge via 'Freedom Watch' to promote Paul, Jones, Rockwell, and their ilk.

Doing a quick search, I've found that Cavuto had Paul on his show 3 times in '09 (1/8, 1/17, and 3/10) and in those, pretty much bashed Paul for his economic ideas and hypocrisy on earmarks. While the Judge is clearly a Paul supporter / friend, I do not see the same level of evidence that puts Cavuto at the same level.

Ultimately, though, the key point is that FNC, in particular with the Judge, is pandering for ratings by highlighting some very fringe people who should not get the stage they are getting at FNC.

It's bad enough that the other news outlets embrace and promote the fringe on the left. There is equally no reason why the fringe on the right has to get 'equal time'. If Olberidiot or Matthews are taken to task for going in the tank for Obama, then the Judge also has to be taken to task for doing the same for Luap Nor.

329 Bloodnok  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:38:47pm

re: #116 rawmuse

Well, I think you have gone around the bend.
And, for the record, you are encouraging violence (or terrorism) when you say that conservatives should "throw out the Paulians" from public demonstrations, because you simply can't do that lawfully, you'd have to resort to violence or terrorism to do it.

IMHO

So because of what you think he must mean in his phrasing you are accusing him of inciting violence? He's done no such thing. Downding.

330 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:55:04pm

re: #329 Bloodnok

So because of what you think he must mean in his phrasing you are accusing him of inciting violence? He's done no such thing. Downding.

Down ding if you must, but
How does one eject another out of a public demonstration without using violence?

331 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:00:31pm

re: #329 Bloodnok

So because of what you think he must mean in his phrasing you are accusing him of inciting violence? He's done no such thing. Downding.

It is not about what I think. It is about what the law says.
The law says if you touch (or even spit on) a counter demonstrator, that is an Assault, and you can be arrested and charged with, at the very least, disorderly conduct, at the most, assault with intent to do bodily harm.

332 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:05:30pm

re: #328 Athos

Doing a quick search, I've found that Cavuto had Paul on his show 3 times in '09 (1/8, 1/17, and 3/10) and in those, pretty much bashed Paul for his economic ideas and hypocrisy on earmarks. While the Judge is clearly a Paul supporter / friend, I do not see the same level of evidence that puts Cavuto at the same level.

Have a look through the videos posted at YouTube by Paulians, and see if you still think that...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

333 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:06:56pm

re: #331 rawmuse

It is not about what I think. It is about what the law says.
The law says if you touch (or even spit on) a counter demonstrator, that is an Assault, and you can be arrested and charged with, at the very least, disorderly conduct, at the most, assault with intent to do bodily harm.

I'm sorry, I do not agree with you on this. By "ejecting the Ron Paul supporters," Killgore is saying they should be renounced and driven out of the demonstration, with strong disapproval. He said nothing about violence, and I think you're over-reacting drastically.

334 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:14:12pm

re: #333 Charles

Out of respect for you, it is dropped.

335 Lightspeed  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:34:41pm

I don't mind if they have these guys on FNC--as long as they properly identify them in caption. Let's see, "Alex Jones, 9/11 Truther and All-Around Conspiracy Nutcase," "Congressman Ron Paul - Pseudo Libertarian, Attention Whore, and anti-Semite," "Lew Rockwell - Ron Paul Toady, Race Warrior," "Pat Buchanan - White America Firster, Holocaust Skeptic, Hitler Apologist." I kinda doubt they would go on the shows, though.

336 bungie  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:36:14pm

re: #80 CyanSnowHawk

Easier, more seductive, is the dark side.

Easier, more seductive, the dark side is.

337 Tom on the rez  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:37:59pm

I don't believe (okay I'm hoping here) that Fox News knows what kind of crazyness "Judge" N. is bringing to their web. Ron Paul's appearances I can understand - congresscritter and prez candidate - but the rest is just goofier than a shithouse rat. I've always had trouble "pinning down" Napolitano, other than his being an asshole. If they let this go on much longer, they'll lose all credibility. And that's all they've got, compared to the rest of the TV media. Now they seem like some sort of short-wave UFO program.

338 koedo  Sat, May 2, 2009 6:08:51am

Why all the huffin' and puffin'? We have a sitting President who has racist and extremist pals galore. That's not my opinion, either. It's a fact.

So, comparatively speaking, Fox New is hardly breaking new ground with it's promotions and associations, as odious as they are to some people.

339 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 10:34:24am

re: #338 koedo

Hey, the other side glorifies and apologizes for their lunatic fringe, so we should do it too!

340 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 10:35:49am

re: #335 Lightspeed

I don't mind if they have these guys on FNC--as long as they properly identify them in caption. Let's see, "Alex Jones, 9/11 Truther and All-Around Conspiracy Nutcase," "Congressman Ron Paul - Pseudo Libertarian, Attention Whore, and anti-Semite," "Lew Rockwell - Ron Paul Toady, Race Warrior," "Pat Buchanan - White America Firster, Holocaust Skeptic, Hitler Apologist." I kinda doubt they would go on the shows, though.

that would be awesome, and I would actually watch that. as it is, I won't even turn on Fox News.

341 Salamantis  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #214 capitalist piglet

I have three pair of Docs. I am screwed. (Though the leopard print ones look particularly menacing.)

If you really wanna give other skins the signal that you're a racist white supremacist, you lace your Doc Martens up with red laces instad of white ones.


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