Judge Andrew Napolitano, who uses his Fox News online show “Freedom Watch” to promote racists and nutjobs like Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, and Alex Jones, is now being pimped on the official Fox News video page.
The mainstreaming of the extreme right wing and the conspiracy kooks continues apace.
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Kragar Fri, May 1, 2009 11:36:23am |
I'd say I'd stop watching, but I don't watch them anyways. I've got no time for blithering airheads of any stripe
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:38:16am |
FNC is becoming as much a part of the FMSM even as they pimp the Right/Fascist fringe.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 11:39:05am |
“Freedom Watch”
A rather Orwellian name for the show given the people it is promoting.
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 1, 2009 11:39:18am |
Speaking of ratings, I wonder what FOX's are? Are they going up with their inclusion of nutters? Or are they struggling and thus going for the outrageous?
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:20am |
Charles...
Come on... The video shows up on the 'Web Originals' page...because Napolitano's show is a Web Show...
If you go to the main FNC site and click on videos, Napolitanos show does not show up on the front page...
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Cygnus Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:36am |
It's really a shame. Fox had some great programming in the past. Now it looks like they've gone completely around the bend.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:40:48am |
re: #4 Honorary Yooper
A rather Orwellian name for the show given the people it is promoting.
At FNC they think irony is something used press clothes.
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Bubblehead II Fri, May 1, 2009 11:41:04am |
Money v Moral Fiber. Well we can see what fox considers important.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 11:41:13am |
re: #5 Russkilitlover
Speaking of ratings, I wonder what FOX's are? Are they going up with their inclusion of nutters? Or are they struggling and thus going for the outrageous?
Playing to the crowd. It's what their focus groups are telling them they want to see. It's not news--it's pandering. They sense the fears of the viewers and feed them what they want to hear--validating that fear. They are clueless (at best) as to the harm they are doing.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 11:41:44am |
re: #10 Bubblehead II
Money v Moral Fiber. Well we can see what fox considers important.
It's always been the former.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:42:00am |
re: #6 tfc3rid
The videos are on the site and readily accessible, so to me FNC is advocating the shit.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:13am |
re: #13 FurryOldGuyJeans
The videos are on the site and readily accessible, so to me FNC is advocating the shit.
Yeah and probably all of 50 people actually see this stupid online show...
And BTW, MSNBC seems to advocate some even worse crap...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:23am |
re: #11 calcajun
Playing to the crowd. It's what their focus groups are telling them they want to see. It's not news--it's pandering. They sense the fears of the viewers and feed them what they want to hear--validating that fear. They are clueless (at best) as to the harm they are doing.
I suspect FNC programmers know exactly what they are doing, and doing it to drive up the advert revenues.
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Syrah Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:32am |
I wonder how much of their programing decisions are made in regards to the nutters is due to some real market research that suggest that there is some money in putting the kooks on the stage?
They do not make these kinds of decisions lightly.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:44am |
Jones is a nutjob and deserves ZERO time but as far as I know he's never appeared on FNC proper.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:45am |
re: #5 Russkilitlover
Speaking of ratings, I wonder what FOX's are? Are they going up with their inclusion of nutters? Or are they struggling and thus going for the outrageous?
Here's some info from (get ready for it) Huffpo! (It's for March 09):
Fox News averaged 2.15 million viewers in primetime for the week ending March 22, 2009. Only USA (3.16 million) averaged more. CNN came in 21st with an average 914,000 total viewers, and MSNBC placed 23rd with an average of 886,000 total viewers. All figures are according to Nielsen Media Research.
And here's the first sentence of the first comment:
FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.
Heh, heh. And that's why I don't linkee to Huffpo.
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 1, 2009 11:44:12am |
re: #11 calcajun
Playing to the crowd. It's what their focus groups are telling them they want to see. It's not news--it's pandering. They sense the fears of the viewers and feed them what they want to hear--validating that fear. They are clueless (at best) as to the harm they are doing.
I know. But I'm wondering if their ratings are seeing an impact - either way.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:44:13am |
re: #14 tfc3rid
You need to make an acquaintance of an clue since you spout such a non-sequitar with MSNBC.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:28am |
re: #22 FurryOldGuyJeans
You need to make an acquaintance of an clue since you spout such a non-sequitar with MSNBC.
Do you have no issue with MSNBC?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:28am |
re: #21 Russkilitlover
I know. But I'm wondering if their ratings are seeing an impact - either way.
According to Drudge the ratings seem to be going up.
Not that I really follow such ephemeral shit. ;)
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:43am |
And yet, the network is still owned by R. Murdoch, who endorsed Obama.
Weirod.
I think it is just ordinary sensationalistic BS, a pure ratings grab.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:57am |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
Let the meltdowns commence.....
I suspect there'll be meltdowns all day today. It's already starting in the Jawa Report thread.
We could call it Freakout Friday.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:10am |
re: #6 tfc3rid
Charles...
Come on... The video shows up on the 'Web Originals' page...because Napolitano's show is a Web Show...
If you go to the main FNC site and click on videos, Napolitanos show does not show up on the front page...
This is absolutely a new thing. The Ron Paul freakazoids at 'BreakTheMatrix' (no link from me, Google it) are crowing about it on their Twitter feeds.
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:35am |
And, I don't have cable, so I have no idea what is going in real time, other than what get reported here.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:36am |
re: #24 tfc3rid
TOTALLY off the topic. FNC is the topic, not the rest of the FMSM
I have to ask, are your eyes naturally brown?
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:02am |
re: #19 subsailor68
Huh. Well okay then. It's paying off for them. Fair and Balanced morphing into Irrational and Out of Kilter.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:39am |
re: #28 Charles
This is absolutely a new thing. The Ron Paul freakazoids at 'BreakTheMatrix' (no link from me, Google it) are crowing about it on their Twitter feeds.
And I am sure they are updinging it so it shows up on the front page of the Video section...
Seriously though, how many people actually watch Strategy Room online?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:49am |
re: #26 rawmuse
And yet, the network is still owned by R. Murdoch, who endorsed Obama.
Weirod.
I think it is just ordinary sensationalistic BS, a pure ratings grab.
Fox has always struck me as the TV version of the National Enquirer. Lots of sensationalism with little substance. Of course, CNN and MSNBC aren't much better.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, May 1, 2009 11:48:08am |
re: #19 subsailor68
Here's some info from (get ready for it) Huffpo! (It's for March 09):
Fox News averaged 2.15 million viewers in primetime for the week ending March 22, 2009. Only USA (3.16 million) averaged more. CNN came in 21st with an average 914,000 total viewers, and MSNBC placed 23rd with an average of 886,000 total viewers. All figures are according to Nielsen Media Research.
And here's the first sentence of the first comment:
FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.
Heh, heh. And that's why I don't linkee to Huffpo.
And mainstreaming the extremists in the party that actually are racists isn't going to combat that stereotype one bit.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:48:15am |
Oh, BTW, I included that first comment:
FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.
Because, doggone it, I just loves me irony. First, moron, it's republican, not repulican. Second, "who even had a GED" might have been more effective if you'd written "who had even a GED." As written, I could respond, "Gee, I haven't either. They all have bachelor, master, or PhD degrees."
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:49:50am |
re: #30 FurryOldGuyJeans
TOTALLY off the topic. FNC is the topic, not the rest of the FMSM
I have to ask, are your eyes naturally brown?
I don't think it is off topic... We're talking about how it sppears to some that FNC is pimping the far righty kooks.... I am saying it's an online show with Zero ratings and trying to make the point that while some here are lambasting FNC for doing this, MSNBC for years has been living on and off the far left kook fringe...
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yma o hyd Fri, May 1, 2009 11:50:01am |
re: #35 subsailor68
Oh, BTW, I included that first comment:
FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.
Because, doggone it, I just loves me irony. First, moron, it's republican, not repulican. Second, "who even had a GED" might have been more effective if you'd written "who had even a GED." As written, I could respond, "Gee, I haven't either. They all have bachelor, master, or PhD degrees."
Effen elitists!
/////
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Desert Dog Fri, May 1, 2009 11:50:57am |
FoxNews is in the sewer. I never watch that. I also never watch CNN, MSNBC or the Networks news either. Not as many right wing crackpots hanging out there, but they are heavily laden with leftwing freakazoids. Let's face it, most of the TV MSM is way too far to the left....Fox is now leaning way to far to the right. It is getting harder and harder to decipher the actual news from the propaganda spewing out of all of the media these days.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:00am |
re: #35 subsailor68
Oh, BTW, I included that first comment:
FOX is racist. All republicans and conservatives are racist and have no education. I've never met a repulican who even had a GED.
Because, doggone it, I just loves me irony. First, moron, it's republican, not repulican. Second, "who even had a GED" might have been more effective if you'd written "who had even a GED." As written, I could respond, "Gee, I haven't either. They all have bachelor, master, or PhD degrees."
Could have been worse. He might have dropped the 'l' and not the 'b'.
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Spider Mensch Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:23am |
no surprises. it's fox for cripes sake..who owns it? murdoch, the inventor of tabloid news crapola. you expect his organization to take a high road? if so I got some bridges to sell ya.
fox...geez, when you look at a pig do you expect it to purr like a cat?
as I said before..just don't look, and it will go away.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:38am |
re: #31 Russkilitlover
Huh. Well okay then. It's paying off for them. Fair and Balanced morphing into Irrational and Out of Kilter.
Okay, now that's funny! I think you've just created the new slogan:
Fox News! IOK! We're Irrational and Out of Kilter.
Next on Fox - Glenn Beck!
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Phillies2008 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:06am |
These paleo nutjobs are worse than Democrats.
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lawhawk Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:32am |
They're squawking and someone's watching. That's all that Fox cares about - the ratings. It doesn't matter that they're pushing troofers and kooks. They see the ratings, and that's all that matters.
I'd say for shame, but the know none.
I'd say stop watching 'em, but the alternatives are just as bad.
Jokers to the left, clowns to the right, and here I am thinking that I should be thanking everyone for the fish.
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:32am |
I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:02am |
re: #42 Phillies2008
These paleo nutjobs are worse than Democrats.
I usually find them as insufferable as the Daily Kos and DU crowd. Full of the same sorts of hates as well, just at differing ends of the spectrum.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:06am |
I listen to FNC all day on my XM and do not hear this insanity during the day... Not at all... Neil Cavuto is one of the best financial talkers out there... FNC's coverage of business news and breaking news is fantastic...
We will agree do disagree on this...
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Diamond Bullet Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:19am |
The irony is that the continual pumping of these far right (or off the reservation entirely) conspiracy kooks as mainstream is starting to make me wonder whether it's a conspiracy to discredit regular conservatives. I guess it's time for me to start up a website arguing that Building 7 was taken down by an invisible Fox News blimp. Sigh.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:48am |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.
I know, I saw that. We're going to have another round of high-pitched whining. What a disgrace -- the same people who applauded the formation of the DHS are now screaming about everything it does.
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J.D. Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:51am |
Andy McCarthy Said "No" to the Justice Department Today
Andrew C. McCarthyMay 1, 2009
By email (to the Counterterrorism Division) and by regular mail:
The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Attorney General of the United States
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20530-0001Dear Attorney General Holder:
This letter is respectfully submitted to inform you that I must decline the invitation to participate in the May 4 roundtable meeting the President’s Task Force on Detention Policy is convening with current and former prosecutors involved in international terrorism cases. An invitation was extended to me by trial lawyers from the Counterterrorism Section, who are members of the Task Force, which you are leading.
The invitation email (of April 14) indicates that the meeting is part of an ongoing effort to identify lawful policies on the detention and disposition of alien enemy combatants—or what the Department now calls “individuals captured or apprehended in connection with armed conflicts and counterterrorism operations.” I admire the lawyers of the Counterterrorism Division, and I do not question their good faith. Nevertheless, it is quite clear—most recently, from your provocative remarks on Wednesday in Germany—that the Obama administration has already settled on a policy of releasing trained jihadists (including releasing some of them into the United States). Whatever the good intentions of the organizers, the meeting will obviously be used by the administration to claim that its policy was arrived at in consultation with current and former government officials experienced in terrorism cases and national security issues. I deeply disagree with this policy, which I believe is a violation of federal law and a betrayal of the president’s first obligation to protect the American people. Under the circumstances, I think the better course is to register my dissent, rather than be used as a prop.
Moreover, in light of public statements by both you and the President, it is dismayingly clear that, under your leadership, the Justice Department takes the position that a lawyer who in good faith offers legal advice to government policy makers—like the government lawyers who offered good faith advice on interrogation policy—may be subject to investigation and prosecution for the content of that advice, in addition to empty but professionally damaging accusations of ethical misconduct. Given that stance, any prudent lawyer would have to hesitate before offering advice to the government. ...
Read the whole thing.
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Ojoe Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:54am |
Time for the John Prine (sp) song:
Blow up your TV
Throw away your papers
Move to the country
Build you a home
Raise a lot of children
Feed 'em on peaches
Try and find Jesus
On your own
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Desert Dog Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:08am |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.
You seem to take great joy in that. You need a better hobby :-)
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yma o hyd Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:25am |
Here's a rather good editorial, in today's TIMES/London, which addresses the implied theme of this thread:
The incredible shrinking elephant.
Why moderate US Republicans must stand up for themselves
Concluding paragraph:
'America needs the Republicans, yet they are flirting with irrelevance. To return to relevance the party must be rebuilt as a coalition, not a clique. Its leaders must embrace its moderates, and its moderates - on everything from taxes to abortion - must stand up for themselves.'
RTWT!
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:25am |
Bill Moyers and Pat Buchanan appear regularly on PBS.
I will still watch Nova.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 11:54:29am |
re: #46 tfc3rid
I listen to FNC all day on my XM and do not hear this insanity during the day... Not at all... Neil Cavuto is one of the best financial talkers out there... FNC's coverage of business news and breaking news is fantastic...
We will agree do disagree on this...
Neil Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show very frequently.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 11:55:19am |
re: #36 tfc3rid
I don't think it is off topic... We're talking about how it sppears to some that FNC is pimping the far righty kooks.... I am saying it's an online show with Zero ratings and trying to make the point that while some here are lambasting FNC for doing this, MSNBC for years has been living on and off the far left kook fringe...
It's simple--the kooky fringe are like your kids; if you feed them, they grow--keep feeding them and they stay. What MSNBC feeds the kooks on the left is not the topic. The issue is that if Fox keeps feeding the far-right, then we have a problem.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:02am |
re: #47 Diamond Bullet
The irony is that the continual pumping of these far right (or off the reservation entirely) conspiracy kooks as mainstream is starting to make me wonder whether it's a conspiracy to discredit regular conservatives. I guess it's time for me to start up a website arguing that Building 7 was taken down by an invisible Fox News blimp. Sigh.
I've been wondering the same thing.
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:05am |
re: #48 Charles
I know, I saw that. We're going to have another round of high-pitched whining. What a disgrace -- the same people who applauded the formation of the DHS are now screaming about everything it does.
That is the problem with creating a government edifice or other permanent institution, other people get to run it after you leave.
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Desert Dog Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:17am |
re: #53 rawmuse
Bill Moyers and Pat Buchanan appear regularly on PBS.
I will still watch Nova.
Me too, but the second I see that weasel face of Moyers, OFF IT GOES
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:25am |
re: #51 Desert Dog
You seem to take great joy in that. You need a better hobby :-)
No, it just really pisses me off when people try to obfuscate for terrorist who pose a legitimate security threat because they claim it hurts their feelings. The RoP has been doing this for years.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:28am |
re: #40 Spider Mensch
no surprises. it's fox for cripes sake..who owns it? murdoch, the inventor of tabloid news crapola. you expect his organization to take a high road? if so I got some bridges to sell ya.
fox...geez, when you look at a pig do you expect it to purr like a cat?
as I said before..just don't look, and it will go away.
Murdoch understands his audience, and tailors the property to it. WSJ is another of his NewsCorp properties, and is much less tabloid.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:32am |
The mainstreaming of the far right fringe is very disappointing and plays right into the hands of people who would paint every fiscal conservative who attends church and espouses traditional patriotism as a whack job conspiracy theorist.
I know that FOX is motivated by ratings and money. This much is not a mystery. But I'm perplexed as to why the conservative pundits and political organizations are allowing themselves to be radicalized by the most extreme examples of the right of center crowd.
Do they somehow believe that if courting radicals and malcontents on the left won political power for the Dems that the same type of massing of the radical right will bring back power to the conservatives? There are too many flaws with that plan to list.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:35am |
re: #54 Charles
Neil Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show very frequently.
Yes, but what does that prove? Paul is somehow elected to Congress by his constituents. Cavuto has every right to interview womever he sees fit.
He also has Bernie Sanders on, I know Neil is not a commie.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:37am |
If I was an optimist (which, of course, everyone knows I'm not), I would think that Fox is hyping these folks up in order to set them up for the GREAT SMACKDOWN.
Of course, since I'm not, I think I'll weep into my bourbon a little.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 11:57:07am |
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doppelganglander Fri, May 1, 2009 11:58:06am |
When I read about the world situation between the wars, when your political choices in the developed world consisted of Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Socialism, I wonder what I would have done as a subscriber to None of the Above. I think I'm going to get a chance to find out over the next decade or so.
| 69 |
hazzyday Fri, May 1, 2009 11:58:17am |
So Paulians are able to drive Fox news content?The Ickians can't be far behind.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 11:58:52am |
re: #39 CyanSnowHawk
Could have been worse. He might have dropped the 'l' and not the 'b'.
Rebubican = A very specialized hair restoration practice.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 11:59:17am |
re: #67 rawmuse
If only to see what their argument is.
Good lad. Don't let yourself be tempted with their seductive arguments./
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:00:39pm |
re: #70 DaddyG
Rebubican = A very specialized hair restoration practice.
Rebubican - Believer in breast augmentation. A disciple of the church of Pam Anderson?
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:04pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
Who is the terrorist? Remind me again.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:06pm |
re: #63 tfc3rid
Having the man on repeatedly shows FNC advocates what the man stands for, which is not what I stand for.
You really need to meet a clue soon.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:16pm |
re: #68 doppelganglander
When I read about the world situation between the wars, when your political choices in the developed world consisted of Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Socialism, I wonder what I would have done as a subscriber to None of the Above. I think I'm going to get a chance to find out over the next decade or so.
I think those were the 90% of people who worked hard to put food on the table, loved their kids, walked the dog and generally minded their own business without expecting an -ism to come along and change their lives.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:20pm |
re: #4 Honorary Yooper
A rather Orwellian name for the show given the people it is promoting.
"Freedom Watch" pimping a guy who runs a Web site called, "Prison Planet"? My head hurts.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:02:46pm |
re: #72 calcajun
Rebubican - Believer in breast augmentation. A disciple of the church of Pam Anderson?
Boob thread in 72 posts. Nice work.
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Syrah Fri, May 1, 2009 12:03:07pm |
re: #72 calcajun
Rebubican - Believer in breast augmentation. A disciple of the church of Pam Anderson?
Is that anything like a merkintilist?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:04:03pm |
re: #78 Syrah
Is that anything like a merkintilist?
I have this strange feeling I would regret asking what one of those are, so I shall refrain. ;)
| 80 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, May 1, 2009 12:04:31pm |
re: #71 calcajun
Good lad. Don't let yourself be tempted with their seductive arguments./
Easier, more seductive, is the dark side.
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 1, 2009 12:04:44pm |
re: #49 J.D.
Excellent piece by Mr. McCarthy. Of course, being a lawyer, he couldn't just RSVP with FOAD.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:00pm |
Actually Charles, I do think there's a place for Ron Paul on television.
Today on the Food Network: Rachael Ray.
Rachael's special guest this morning is Ron Paul, who's here to show Rachael how to make his famous, home made 'nutty buddies' ice cream treat."
| 83 |
BignJames Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:34pm |
re: #50 Ojoe
Time for the John Prine (sp) song:
Blow up your TV
Throw away your papers
Move to the country
Build you a homeRaise a lot of children
Feed 'em on peaches
Try and find Jesus
On your own
Spanish Pipedream
| 84 |
Syrah Fri, May 1, 2009 12:05:37pm |
re: #79 FurryOldGuyJeans
I have this strange feeling I would regret asking what one of those are, so I shall refrain. ;)
That's probably for the best.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:15pm |
re: #82 subsailor68
Actually Charles, I do think there's a place for Ron Paul on television.
Today on the Food Network: Rachael Ray.
Rachael's special guest this morning is Ron Paul, who's here to show Rachael how to make his famous, home made 'nutty buddies' ice cream treat."
I don't care who you are, that is one of the funniest things written this week. ;)
| 87 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:19pm |
re: #79 FurryOldGuyJeans
I have this strange feeling I would regret asking what one of those are, so I shall refrain. ;)
Gotta look that one up. I know that the president in Dr. Strangelove (Merkin Muffley) was named after a female anatomical reference, but I always figured they were talking about the "Muffley" part. Shows what I know.
| 88 |
DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:22pm |
I don't know what I fear most: That the mainstreaming of the radical right will fail by turning off conservatives and relegate them to the political sidelines or that it will succeed in energizing them and give them credibility.
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doppelganglander Fri, May 1, 2009 12:06:52pm |
re: #75 DaddyG
I think those were the 90% of people who worked hard to put food on the table, loved their kids, walked the dog and generally minded their own business without expecting an -ism to come along and change their lives.
I don't want to sit back and watch my country, and the rest of the world, get swallowed up by evil men and failed ideologies. Besides voting and bitching and moaning here at LGF, I'm not sure what I'm going to do, but I feel like I ought to do something. Running for office is not an option and I'm less and less inclined support the Republican Party, for obvious reasons.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:07:02pm |
re: #84 Syrah
That's probably for the best.
I never did do the best or smart thing, but I want to break the streak. ;)
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Arrr Fri, May 1, 2009 12:07:18pm |
Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?
He said "Yes, absolutely."
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:01pm |
re: #87 Ward Cleaver
Gotta look that one up. I know that the president in Dr. Strangelove (Merkin Muffley) was named after a female anatomical reference, but I always figured they were talking about the "Muffley" part. Shows what I know.
You have provided more than enough of what I really didn't want to know. ;)
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:10pm |
re: #88 DaddyG
I don't know what I fear most: That the mainstreaming of the radical right will fail by turning off conservatives and relegate them to the political sidelines or that it will succeed in energizing them and give them credibility.
It will energize the nutty ones and turn off the sane ones.
/a twofer
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, May 1, 2009 12:08:10pm |
re: #81 Russkilitlover
Excellent piece by Mr. McCarthy. Of course, being a lawyer, he couldn't just RSVP with FOAD.
That might sound good in Latin.
Fornicatus et mortius?
/I've got almost no clue about Latin, perhaps you have noticed.
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hazzyday Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:03pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.
DHS memo's don't mean much to me. The one the hubbub was about was a hard read from being poorly written. And in hindsight it had no significant effect on anything anywhere except as a news item. And it exposed a lack of trust in a DHS run by the Obama Adminstration by a set of the population. Most law enforcement leaders are pragmatic folks who know crap when they see it. A few like to nifong people for personal reasons but they are exceptions to the population I would hope.
I don't think it harms us as a people to ask them not to fall for crap. Make an effort to be informed.
I am a fan of big government when it comes to national defense and setting the proper rules for free markets being good for the little guy. I'm no fan of big government when they overtax me, try to manipulate me through social policy, or track my activities.
That's when the conservatives are in control. I'm even a lessor fan of this when liberals are in control. I think they have greater eroding effects on freedoms than conservatives do.
I am always slow on the draw judging people to be bad unless they are totally obvious.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:04pm |
re: #91 Arrr
Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?
He said "Yes, absolutely."
Have too much of that already, the lefty stuff, so making a buck off being a raving, loony righty one really is the smart business move.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:24pm |
re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans
You have provided more than enough of what I really didn't want to know. ;)
Hey, I didn't know what the hell "teabagging" was until the whole Tea Party controversy.
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avanti Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:41pm |
re: #52 yma o hyd
Here's a rather good editorial, in today's TIMES/London, which addresses the implied theme of this thread:
The incredible shrinking elephant.
Why moderate US Republicans must stand up for themselvesConcluding paragraph:
'America needs the Republicans, yet they are flirting with irrelevance. To return to relevance the party must be rebuilt as a coalition, not a clique. Its leaders must embrace its moderates, and its moderates - on everything from taxes to abortion - must stand up for themselves.'RTWT!
The only good news for the GOP is that the voters they are loosing are becoming Independents, not Democrats. The GOP s at 20% of registered voters, the Dems about 34%, the rest are Independents. (The fastest growing group)
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CommonCents Fri, May 1, 2009 12:09:43pm |
re: #91 Arrr
Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?
He said "Yes, absolutely."
but there is already too much competition in that niche.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:10:06pm |
re: #91 Arrr
Rupert Murdoch was asked that if it would make him a few more dollars to change Fox News into a raving, loony left wing station, would he do it?
He said "Yes, absolutely."
At that point Diogenes showed up and threw a lantern at his head. /
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:10:41pm |
re: #82 subsailor68
Actually Charles, I do think there's a place for Ron Paul on television.
Today on the Food Network: Rachael Ray.
Rachael's special guest this morning is Ron Paul, who's here to show Rachael how to make his famous, home made 'nutty buddies' ice cream treat."
How about a guest spot on "What not to Wear"?
A guest appearance on "Man vs. Wild"--instead, it's Ron that get dropped into the middle o'nowhere.
MTV--Ron Paul's Dance Party
VH-1- the Flavor of Ron
Discovery- "I Shouldn't be Alive"
History's Mysteries- Ron Paul
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:10:48pm |
re: #97 Ward Cleaver
Hey, I didn't know what the hell "teabagging" was until the whole Tea Party controversy.
Would you please stop? I am perverted enough without the Master's Degree instruction you insist on providing. ;)
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:19pm |
re: #94 CyanSnowHawk
That might sound good in Latin.
Fornicatus et mortius?
/I've got almost no clue about Latin, perhaps you have noticed.
Wonderful! I've been trying to find a good latin tranlsation of "I'd rather be a smart ass than a dumb ass" so my kids can use it on their public school teachers.
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Buck Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:27pm |
re: #97 Ward Cleaver
Hey, I didn't know what the hell "teabagging" was until the whole Tea Party controversy.
Ya... me too... cough cough..
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:43pm |
re: #78 Syrah
Is that anything like a merkintilist?
No--I don't believe in cove-ups. I want the truth exposed./
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:11:55pm |
re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans
Would you please stop? I am perverted enough without the Master's Degree instruction you insist on providing. ;)
Sorry. :-(
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:12:04pm |
re: #101 calcajun Real Life with Ron Paul... uh... never mind there is no way to make that one work.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:13:07pm |
re: #101 calcajun
Or maybe:
American Idol.
"Contestant Ron Paul wowed the audience with his poignant rendition of "I Dreamed a Dream". Simon Cowell, while giving Ron a thumbs up, did recommend that Paul pluck his eyebrows and dye the gray hair."
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:13:32pm |
Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.
This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.
Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:11pm |
re: #108 subsailor68
Or maybe:
American Idol.
"Contestant Ron Paul wowed the audience with his poignant rendition of "I Dreamed a Dream". Simon Cowell, while giving Ron a thumbs up, did recommend that Paul pluck his eyebrows and dye the gray hair."
Speaking of... On Drudge... Simon Cowell has said that they have invited the President to appear on American Idol... Because 'He's a rock star.'
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dalejrfanfreak Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:37pm |
Oh please....the only time I hear about these guys is when you post about it on here. Does anyone even watch the online news shows? I know I don't. I also know that Fox News is beating CNN and MSNBC combined in every single time slot now AND it's the #2 channel in all of cable when it comes to total viewers. Hannity is a bit much, and Beck is super emo, but O'reilly does a good job imo.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:38pm |
re: #42 Phillies2008
These paleo nutjobs are worse than Democrats.
There seem to be quite a few neo nutters in the mix as well, this is an ecumenical far-right fringe movement FNC is promoting.
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MandyManners Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:45pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:14:52pm |
re: #47 Diamond Bullet
The irony is that the continual pumping of these far right (or off the reservation entirely) conspiracy kooks as mainstream is starting to make me wonder whether it's a conspiracy to discredit regular conservatives. I guess it's time for me to start up a website arguing that Building 7 was taken down by an invisible Fox News blimp. Sigh.
I have long thought fox was a moby network.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:15:34pm |
re: #109 Sharmuta
Howso? I heard them challenging Obama on plenty of issues... Rev. Wright. Rezko.
Sean Hannity was the one who was basically leading the charge originally on FNC regarding those two issues.
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 12:15:55pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
Well, I think you have gone around the bend.
And, for the record, you are encouraging violence (or terrorism) when you say that conservatives should "throw out the Paulians" from public demonstrations, because you simply can't do that lawfully, you'd have to resort to violence or terrorism to do it.
IMHO
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:16:24pm |
re: #109 Sharmuta
Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.
This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.
Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?
I was never snookered into thinking FNC was more than just a crass attempt to cash in on a vast portion of the audience the rest of the FMSM refused to service.
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:09pm |
Speaking of FNC and the kook-patrol. Several weeks ago Red Eye had Pamela Geller which I'm sure everyone heard about. Today I was watching a clip of Red Eye on FNC and during a short gossip blip Andy Levy quoted a certain blogger: R. S. McCain.
Kind of makes you wonder. Or perhaps not.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:17pm |
re: #110 tfc3rid
Speaking of... On Drudge... Simon Cowell has said that they have invited the President to appear on American Idol... Because 'He's a rock star.'
Ouch! What's he gonna sing? "Falling in Love With Me is Falling for Me Alone", from "The Boys From Chicago"?
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:35pm |
re: #116 rawmuse
-1
If that was supposed to be funny you should have used a sarc tag. Seriously, I can't tell with you guys these days.
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Truck Monkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:17:35pm |
re: #109 Sharmuta
Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.
This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.
Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?
Didn't they show him in Hawaii without his shirt on?
/
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 12:18:26pm |
re: #78 Syrah
Is that anything like a merkintilist?
Well, in Dr. Strangelove, the president is Merkin Muffley.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:19:24pm |
re: #122 Kosh's Shadow
Well, in Dr. Strangelove, the president is Merkin Muffley.
Just when I thought I was out, you guys pull me back in.
*SIGH* ;)
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 12:19:43pm |
re: #120 Killgore Trout
I was serious. No sarcasm. You know darned well what you are advocating.
So, I call you out.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:19:48pm |
re: #111 dalejrfanfreak
Does anyone even watch the on line news shows?
I have a strange suspicion that most television audience numbers reflect a whole lot of people who leave news channels while they are at work to keep the pets from feeling lonely.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:20:39pm |
re: #63 tfc3rid
Yes, but what does that prove? Paul is somehow elected to Congress by his constituents. Cavuto has every right to interview womever he sees fit.
He also has Bernie Sanders on, I know Neil is not a commie.
I get it -- you deny there's any significance to Fox News' increasing promotion of extreme nuts like Ron Paul, then you praise Neil Cavuto. I point out that Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show frequently, and your answer is "so what?"
Denial. It's not just for lefties any more.
| 127 |
Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:21:36pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 1, 2009 12:21:37pm |
re: #124 rawmuse
Wow, you guys have truly lost your minds.
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debutaunt Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:06pm |
re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans
FNC is becoming as much a part of the FMSM even as they pimp the Right/Fascist fringe.
If selective, you can find Dennis Miller and Liz Trotta there, for some common sense.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:16pm |
re: #125 DaddyG
I have a strange suspicion that most television audience numbers reflect a whole lot of people who leave news channels while they are at work to keep the pets from feeling lonely.
They should leave on the Animal Planet, then.
Maybe that's why Monty Python had the news for wombats.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:42pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:22:57pm |
re: #126 Charles
I get it -- you deny there's any significance to Fox News' increasing promotion of the extreme nuts like Ron Paul, then you praise Neil Cavuto. I point out that Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show frequently, and your answer is "so what?"
Denial. It's not just for lefties any more.
You keep talking about it, denial by the right, and we get a prime example of it dropped into our laps. Such a good case study.
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 12:23:08pm |
re: #48 Charles
I never applauded the creation of DHS. For me, the bumbling, bungling Tom Ridge (duct tape for chemical attacks, anyone?) always will be its spokesman, even as it moves from one debacle (Hurricane Katrina, anyone?) to another.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:23:08pm |
re: #124 rawmuse
I was serious. No sarcasm. You know darned well what you are advocating.
So, I call you out.
Out of his mom's basement?
/throwing more gas on the fire
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:09pm |
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:21pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:44pm |
This anti-government paranoia is a direct influence of the radical right. Paulians and Alex Jones types have been railing against the DHS and FEMA for years. It's sad to see conservatives embrace this as a core value.
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:49pm |
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:24:50pm |
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MandyManners Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:03pm |
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:08pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Wow, you guys have truly lost your minds.
Speak for yourself, for when I speak, I speak only for myself.
I am not a part of any "you guys", except by my choice of association.
Look, your posts are a matter of record. I can go back find any number of them where you encourage conservatives to do any number of clearly provocative or inflammatory things, which I would not dare do for reasons previously stated.
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:19pm |
re: #109 Sharmuta
Where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election? I mean other than at LGF stealing stories without giving credit.
This network is not our "friend". They are a media entity, and as such are worth about as much as any other media entity, which is not much at all.
Worse- they're BSing us into thinking they are our friend. But if so, then I must ask again- where was fox news exposing 0bama before the election?
True. In fact it seemed as though during the election the dominant theme for Fox News was to get Obama on Fox and interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. This eventually took place and a lot of pandering took place on the part of O'Reilly.
In the end the Obama victory has become a boon for FNC. Their profits and viewers have increased with his presidency since they have essential been handed the conspiracies and news fodder for what they do best. A McCain win would have been less profitable for FNC.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:32pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I see there's another DHS memo making the rounds hurting the feelings of conservatives again.
Link/source?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:36pm |
re: #133 quickjustice
I never applauded the creation of DHS. For me, the bumbling, bungling Tom Ridge (duct tape for chemical attacks, anyone?) always will be its spokesman, even as it moves from one debacle (Hurricane Katrina, anyone?) to another.
Enough folks on the right were all for its creation, so their whining now about the agency is a bit of cognitive dissonance. They are so much like the left in that something is good only when their party is in charge.
| 146 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:25:40pm |
You want to complain? I want to complain! I just bought these shoes...
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rightwinger3 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:00pm |
re: #33 Honorary Yooper
Fox has always struck me as the TV version of the National Enquirer. Lots of sensationalism with little substance. Of course, CNN and MSNBC aren't
muchany better.
Yoop, fixed. You didn't like the glowing puck on Fox Sports either?
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:19pm |
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:29pm |
re: #140 Ward Cleaver
Sorry, this is abuse!
You forgot to add, "You snotty-nosed heap of parrot droppings!"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:37pm |
re: #129 debutaunt
If selective, you can find Dennis Miller and Liz Trotta there, for some common sense.
No thanks, I don't want to be bobbing for apples in the FNC cesspool.
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DistantThunder Fri, May 1, 2009 12:26:53pm |
Please listen to this 911 call from the WTC of Melissa on the 83rd floor.
Mr. HOlder this is torture.
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:27:45pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
You who's crazier than Alex Jones? I won't link or even mention his name, but I found a site today where some guy thinks Alex Jones is part of the "criminal Jewish conspiracy" because Jones' 9-11 "investigations" are covering up the real real troof. There's no end to the crazy!
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:27:51pm |
re: #144 Occasional Reader
Link/source?
Here's the memo -- it's a lexicon of extremist groups, and it was recalled "within minutes" of being released to law enforcement. So naturally, we're all supposed to scream bloody murder about it.
[Link: www.tdbimg.com...]
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Spider Mensch Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:07pm |
re: #146 Ward Cleaver
You want to complain? I want to complain! I just bought these shoes...
pig at the complaint desk : "my wife is a slut..."
/kramer
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:27pm |
re: #146 Ward Cleaver
You want to complain? I want to complain! I just bought these shoes...
Shh. Inspector Flying Fox of the Yard will be here soon.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:27pm |
re: #148 Gus 802
Thank you.
From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:40pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
Did you watch the video in #23? Around the 14 minute mark, I thought robert was going to beat the table.
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 12:28:55pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
You're not paranoid if the little green men are really out to get you. And if the Obama Administration is adopting corporatism as its governing philosophy, we have every right to protest that.
Don't know what "corporatism" is? Try this link: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:30pm |
re: #156 calcajun
Shh. Inspector Flying Fox of the Yard will be here soon.
He's going to arrest us for hijacking threads.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:46pm |
re: #157 Occasional Reader
Thank you.
From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".
Even-handed? Not according to Ed Morrissey, who's screaming bloody murder.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:48pm |
re: #156 calcajun
Shh. Inspector Flying Fox of the Yard will be here soon.
Watch out for the Special Branch!
[WHACK as you walk into tree branch]
-"The Young Ones", circa 1984(?)
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:55pm |
re: #151 DistantThunder
Please listen to this 911 call from the WTC of Melissa on the 83rd floor.
Mr. HOlder this is torture.
Holder: "Sorry, that happened after September 10th, 2001. Not relevant anymore."
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:29:59pm |
re: #157 Occasional Reader
Thank you.
From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".
WTF?! I'm an "other"! Why does DHS hate me? ///
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:30:46pm |
re: #154 Charles
That document refers to every extremist group: left, right, anarchist, racist, ethnic, anti-technology, religious cults, etc. It looks to me like the DHS is doing their job.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:31:07pm |
re: #45 Honorary Yooper
I usually find them as insufferable as the Daily Kos and DU crowd. Full of the same sorts of hates as well, just at differing ends of the spectrum.
When it comes to the level of hatred the fringe elements of the political spectrum express there is is no difference. It is all just "hate what is not me".
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:31:25pm |
re: #157 Occasional Reader
Thank you.
From an admittedly VERY quick review, it looks pretty even-handed... defining "extremism"-related vocabulary related to far right, far left, and "other".
Yes, it does. Seems like a handy document. Even has some things for environmentalists to "complain" about. Runs the gamut of extremist groups and movements in a compact document.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:32:21pm |
re: #165 Kenneth
That document refers to every extremist group: left, right, anarchist, racist, ethnic, anti-technology, religious cults, etc. It looks to me like the DHS is doing their job.
Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."
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Ojoe Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:05pm |
Of course TV and the media in general attracts loonies.
The truth is usually pretty simple, and there is not much really new to say. It is "boring" in other words.
So if you want new things all the time, and exciting things, most of them will be wrong. (Exciting news!) &ct.
And "nuts" and "mistake" or "error" just go so well together.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:05pm |
re: #153 Kenneth
You who's crazier than Alex Jones? I won't link or even mention his name, but I found a site today where some guy thinks Alex Jones is part of the "criminal Jewish conspiracy" because Jones' 9-11 "investigations" are covering up the real real troof. There's no end to the crazy!
Might I be impertinent and and inquire as to what the real troof is, as expressed by this nutter?
Or will it be something I end of regretting asking for?
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:07pm |
re: #126 Charles
I get it -- you deny there's any significance to Fox News' increasing promotion of the extreme nuts like Ron Paul, then you praise Neil Cavuto. I point out that Cavuto has Ron Paul on his show frequently, and your answer is "so what?"
Denial. It's not just for lefties any more.
I don't deny the significance I just don't see it as being something that is leading a widespread takeover of the GOP... These clowns are just not that powerful.
My answer wasn't 'So What?', I pointed out that Cavuto also has on the likes of commies like Bernie Sanders... He has on John McCain often.
I personally have no issues with FNC... Do they sensationalize, of course. Everyone does. Again, my opinion. My thoughts.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:08pm |
re: #161 Charles
Even-handed? Not according to Ed Morrissey, who's screaming bloody murder.
"Alternative media"? Uh oh, we're extremists.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:15pm |
re: #161 Charles
Even-handed? Not according to Ed Morrissey, who's screaming bloody murder.
Hell, it even has this:
(
U) Mexican
separatism
(U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals of
Mexican descent who advocate the secession of southwestern
U.S. states (all or part of Arizona, California, New Mexico,
and Texas) to join with Mexico through armed struggle.
Members do not recognize the legitimacy of these U.S. states,
including the U.S. Government’s original acquisition of these
territories.
First time I've ever seen any direct mention of this phenomenon in any government document or statement, far as I can remember.
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:16pm |
re: #158 Sharmuta
Did you watch the video in #23? Around the 14 minute mark, I thought robert was going to beat the table.
Let me take a look...
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:35pm |
re: #168 Charles
Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."
That's Ed's opinion... Doesn't look like it to me...
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Truck Monkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:33:42pm |
re: #151 DistantThunder
Please listen to this 911 call from the WTC of Melissa on the 83rd floor.
Mr. HOlder this is torture.
I can only upding you once for this but would, if I could, give you thousands.
We are slowly but surely being lulled into a September 10th mindset. We can never be reminded too much of what happened the day after!
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:34:09pm |
re: #173 Occasional Reader
First time I've ever seen any direct mention of this phenomenon in any government document or statement, far as I can remember.
Hey, if it gets us decent Mexican food...
/
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:34:09pm |
From the DHS memo:
racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)
Odin's Cross debates anybody?
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:34:50pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
WTF?! I'm an "other"! Why does DHS hate me? ///
Me, I'm in the clear... nothing there about "Conservative Democrat JudeoChristoPhilic Atheist Adriana Lima-Stalkers".
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:04pm |
re: #171 tfc3rid
Even a sleazy internet dating site couldn't find a clue for you to meet.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:29pm |
re: #178 Kenneth
From the DHS memo:
racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)Odin's Cross debates anybody?
Morrissey's comment on that:
All you Odin followers need to get yourselves registered with the DHS, pronto, and stop watching Kröd Mandoon.
Off. The. Rails.
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Spider Mensch Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:31pm |
re: #154 Charles
Here's the memo -- it's a lexicon of extremist groups, and it was recalled "within minutes" of being released to law enforcement. So naturally, we're all supposed to scream bloody murder about it.
[Link: www.tdbimg.com...]
wow! thats a regular "who's who" of cuck-coo birds. There's groups on there I never heard of or even imagined existed..
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:43pm |
re: #168 Charles
Any person or group advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, or violent attacks on public officials or facilities, is an appropriate object of government interest. The FBI formerly did this job. Why does anyone think that DHS is any better at it?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:35:51pm |
re: #168 Charles
Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."
Since when has his opinion mattered more than my lying eyes and ears?
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:12pm |
re: #172 Ward Cleaver
"Alternative media"? Uh oh, we're extremists.
Hadn't noticed that. Now that IS a little weird.
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:27pm |
re: #168 Charles
Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."
It's not the political thought that the DHS is monitoring. Every one of the groups on the list engages in criminal activity including violence.
Here's a lefty one for the record:
(U) green anarchism
(U//FOUO) A movement of groups or
individuals who combine anarchist
ideology with an environmental focus.
They advocate a return to a preindustrial,
agrarian society, often
through acts of violence and terrorism.
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:35pm |
re: #178 Kenneth
From the DHS memo:
racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)Odin's Cross debates anybody?
They didn't get the memo from GoV that it's a meaningless symbol, I guess.
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DistantThunder Fri, May 1, 2009 12:36:38pm |
re: #176 Truck Monkey
I can only upding you once for this but would, if I could, give you thousands.
We are slowly but surely being lulled into a September 10th mindset. We can never be reminded too much of what happened the day after!
It's the sound of someone being burned alive. Thousands of people tortured for hours, then slaughtered.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:37:10pm |
re: #181 Charles
Off. The. Rails.
Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:37:24pm |
re: #181 Charles
such as Odinism or Asatru.
As long as they're not cracking down on Onanism.
Er... not that it would affect me, you understand.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:37:47pm |
re: #172 Ward Cleaver
"Alternative media"? Uh oh, we're extremists.
No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
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Wendya Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:00pm |
re: #62 DaddyG
I know that FOX is motivated by ratings and money. This much is not a mystery. But I'm perplexed as to why the conservative pundits and political organizations are allowing themselves to be radicalized by the most extreme examples of the right of center crowd.
The media has its own agenda whether it's making money or promoting a specific ideology. Unfortunately, the rest of the media is so rabid about promoting the current administration and demonizing anyone on the right, people are going to turn to places like Fox to get an opposing opinion and they will take the good with the bad. Fox is under no obligation to be a mouthpiece for any ideology and we're not being realistic if we suggest they need to take a purist line.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:19pm |
re: #148 Gus 802
Nice document. Has definitions for a lot of the types of groups out there, and even some I didn't know existed.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:33pm |
re: #191 Charles
No, that is not what the report say at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
*cough*DU!*cough* ;)
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:33pm |
re: #187 Sharmuta
They didn't get the memo from GoV that it's a meaningless symbol, I guess.
Good point... That's a gotcha...
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:34pm |
re: #177 Ward Cleaver
Hey, if it gets us decent Mexican food...
/
I think it basically seeks to create a large, new swatch of territory for Mexicans to flee from.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:38:57pm |
re: #189 Ward Cleaver
Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.
Some new Comedy Central show thingy...
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:10pm |
Murdoch want to grab eyeballs. The WSJ, which he now controls, is the only newspaper that didn't lose circulation in the most recent survey.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:18pm |
re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans
*cough*DU!*cough* ;)
I was thinking more of sites like Stormfront and National Vanguard.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:25pm |
re: #191 Charles
No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
I do think the use of this as a defined term in this context is a little odd. It's like definining "pamphlets", ferpetessake.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:25pm |
re: #191 Charles
No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
Okay, I get it. Like Free Speech TV (Gah!).
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:45pm |
re: #168 Charles
Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."
Has Ed ever heard the phrase "a hit bird flutters"?
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Bubblehead II Fri, May 1, 2009 12:39:59pm |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:02pm |
re: #191 Charles
No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
GoV, DKos, DU, JW all come to mind.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:20pm |
re: #180 FurryOldGuyJeans
Even a sleazy internet dating site couldn't find a clue for you to meet.
Wow... Enlighten me. And if you'd like to email me, feel free.
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:28pm |
I like Ed, but it sounds like his reach is exceeding his grasp here.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #192 Wendya
The media has its own agenda whether it's making money or promoting a specific ideology. Unfortunately, the rest of the media is so rabid about promoting the current administration and demonizing anyone on the right, people are going to turn to places like Fox to get an opposing opinion and they will take the good with the bad. Fox is under no obligation to be a mouthpiece for any ideology and we're not being realistic if we suggest they need to take a purist line.
FNC can promote any partisan agenda they wish, for any reason. I am equally eligible in refusing to swallow the hogwash by not watching or listening to it.
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:37pm |
re: #191 Charles
No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
Jihadi videos on youtube come to mind.
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:52pm |
re: #181 Charles
Off. The. Rails.
Odd. Say you're a prison guard and you have a skinhead suddenly showing an interest in Odinism. Does he think they should look the other way? Typically that would be signal for prison officials.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:40:59pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:02pm |
re: #200 Occasional Reader
I do think the use of this as a defined term in this context is a little odd. It's like definining "pamphlets", ferpetessake.
Well, remember -- these reports are intended as backgrounders for law enforcement. I guarantee there are plenty of cops out there who'd like at a term like "alternative media" and say "WTF?"
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:04pm |
re: #168 Charles
Nope. Ed Morrissey calls it a "broad-ranging assault on political thought."
He used to be so sensible. Sad.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:05pm |
re: #199 Charles
I was thinking more of sites like Stormfront and National Vanguard.
I stand corrected at my lame attempt at humor.
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capitalist piglet Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:05pm |
re: #179 Occasional Reader
Me, I'm in the clear... nothing there about "Conservative Democrat JudeoChristoPhilic Atheist Adriana Lima-Stalkers".
I have three pair of Docs. I am screwed. (Though the leopard print ones look particularly menacing.)
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:15pm |
re: #208 Sharmuta
Jihadi videos on youtube come to mind.
Nah, those are probably ok... They are still there...
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:21pm |
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:41:42pm |
re: #189 Ward Cleaver
Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.
I think he was one of the cops on "Car 54 Where Are You?" The other one was Gunther Toody IIRC.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:17pm |
re: #179 Occasional Reader
Me, I'm in the clear... nothing there about "Conservative Democrat JudeoChristoPhilic Atheist Adriana Lima-Stalkers".
Check the footnotes. /
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:17pm |
re: #205 tfc3rid
Wow... Enlighten me. And if you'd like to email me, feel free.
Nope, I have a life.
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MandyManners Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:23pm |
re: #191 Charles
No, that is not what the report says at all. It's defining the terms, not saying that all of those are indicators of extremism.
But there definitely ARE alternative media sources that qualify as extremist.
Alex Jones and David Icke, for two.
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:26pm |
re: #216 Charles
Go check Hot Air's take on it.
I think it comes down to people overreacting without really reading it...
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:33pm |
re: #211 Charles
Well, remember -- these reports are intended as backgrounders for law enforcement. I guarantee there are plenty of cops out there who'd like at a term like "alternative media" and say "WTF?"
That should be "look" at a term...
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:42pm |
re: #211 Charles
I guarantee there are plenty of cops out there who'd [look] at a term like "alternative media" and say "WTF?"
Don't know that I agree with you there.
But no big deal.
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:42:50pm |
re: #215 tfc3rid
Nah, those are probably ok... They are still there...
But let's be sure to get James Rhandi blocked.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:04pm |
re: #189 Ward Cleaver
Who the hell is Kröd Mandoon? Sounds like a comic book character, like a big ape-like person.
New show on Comedy Central. Magic, medieval era.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:26pm |
re: #217 Ojoe
Reminds me of a "Snob Appeal, Slob Appeal" article in MAD Magazine many years ago. A watch big enough that you could bash someone with it.
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JacksonTn Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:38pm |
re: #214 capitalist piglet
I have three pair of Docs. I am screwed. (Though the leopard print ones look particularly menacing.)
CP .. doc martins? ... I have two pairs I have had forever ... they never wear out ...
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MandyManners Fri, May 1, 2009 12:43:42pm |
re: #221 MandyManners
Alex Jones and David Icke, for two.
Well, maybe not extremist but, definitely whacko.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:12pm |
re: #226 Honorary Yooper
New show on Comedy Central. Magic, medieval era.
I thought it sounded stupid.
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Kragar Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:37pm |
Christian Identity (U//FOUO) A racist religious philosophy that maintains non-Jewish whites are “God’s Chosen People” and the true descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Groups or individuals can be followers of either the Covenant or Dual Seedline doctrine; all believe that Jews are conspiring with Satan to control world affairs and that the world is on the verge of the Biblical apocalypse. Dual Seedline adherents believe Jews are the literal offspring of Satan and that nonwhites, who are often referred to as “mud people,” are not human beings.
I just really dont have any clue on how some one can wrap their mind around that.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:51pm |
re: #225 Sharmuta
But let's be sure to get James Rhandi blocked.
Can't have a rational scientist corrupting our kids from the truth of Creationism and other New Age Beliefs.
/ is it sarcasm or is it memorex?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:53pm |
re: #147 rightwinger3
Yoop, fixed. You didn't like the glowing puck on Fox Sports either?
I've got some words for the glowing puck, but I don't want to get deleted or banned.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:44:58pm |
re: #226 Honorary Yooper
New show on Comedy Central. Magic, medieval era.
You forgot leather bustiers and skirts./
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:45:25pm |
re: #224 Occasional Reader
Don't know that I agree with you there.
But no big deal.
I've spoken to policemen when I received neo-Nazi threats, who had never heard of "blogs." I promise you ... "alternative media" is a new phrase to a lot of law enforcement people, and does need to be defined in the context of that report.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:45:26pm |
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:12pm |
re: #217 Ojoe
The Japanese were trying to make those things smaller for decades then along came Flav-a-flav and blew it all to heck!
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:18pm |
After 9-11 people rightly complained the various security agencies didn't do their jobs properly. The faults identified were lack of training, poor communication, & agency firewalls. These DHS initiatives are aimed at overcome all three of those problems.
(U) black bloc (U//FOUO)
An organized collection of violent anarchists and anarchist affinity groups that band together for illegal acts of
civil disturbance and use tactics that destroy property or strain
law enforcement resources. Black blocs operate in
autonomous cells that infiltrate nonviolent protests, often
without the knowledge of the organizers of the event.
The FBI & etc do need to be aware. And quite frankly, so do concerned citizens who organize peaceful protest. Violent thugs are infiltrating them. I saw it in 2001 and 2002 when International Answer infiltrated the "peace movement" protests.
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:19pm |
re: #158 Sharmuta
Did you watch the video in #23? Around the 14 minute mark, I thought robert was going to beat the table.
Almost. Same talking points from Spencer. I find it odd that they seem to be having a one way conversation. What I mean is that they only succeed in speaking to their own audience but rarely do you see them speaking to the Imams for example. That would be the only route that can create effective change. In addition, their embracing of Geert Wilders who calls Islam a "retarded religion" doesn't help matters much.
Seeing the books lined up it reminded me of a trade show. I guess one can call this the Anti-Jihad Industry which I imagine can be rather lucrative: books, speaking engagements, seminars, DVDs, etc. Would a solution to jihad be in their financial interest?
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:23pm |
Notice -- this time, Ed Morrissey's yelling about a report that was recalled "within minutes" of its release.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:30pm |
re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I just really dont have any clue on how some one can wrap their mind around that.
I don't even try to begin to attempt such a thing. My mind is damaged enough already. ;)
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:46:34pm |
re: #226 Honorary Yooper
medieval era.
Never existed-era. Everyone's got smooth skin and straight white teeth.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:18pm |
re: #235 calcajun
You forgot leather bustiers and skirts./
Well, I hope it does better than their last pilot, "Eczema: Warrior Princess."
(ducks)
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:27pm |
re: #210 Occasional Reader
Is he, now? Well, tell him to quit whining and get over it.
Yeah, and Thor is sore!
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:42pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
Would a solution to jihad be in their financial interest?
Isn't that the $20,000 question? Great point.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:48pm |
re: #230 tfc3rid
Wow... Looking at the comments... Yikes...
I'm sorry I looked at the comments over at Hot Air now. They've gone nucking futs. Does anyone have a shower handy?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:49pm |
re: #242 Charles
Notice -- this time, Ed Morrissey's yelling about a report that was recalled "within minutes" of its release.
That will be conveniently forgotten in the throes of peoples' ODS.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:53pm |
re: #238 tfc3rid
Very realistic...
realism, schmealism. I see them and I forget how bad the dialogue is.
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DistantThunder Fri, May 1, 2009 12:47:56pm |
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jcm Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:28pm |
re: #217 Ojoe
No fine watchmaking mechanism in that one, only finest a Chinese manual labor factory works go into Armani watches.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:32pm |
re: #234 Honorary Yooper
How about Scooter the talking baseball? I think my all-time favorite Scooter moment was when Pedro Martinez buzzed Hideki Matsui's tower and the ball barely got in Varitek's mitt before this squeaky anthromorpic baseball was explaining to the kiddies at home the brushback pitch...
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Gus Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:51pm |
re: #248 Sharmuta
Isn't that the $20,000 question? Great point.
Thanks. Not unlike the theory about keeping the poor poor to maintain a strong voting block.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:53pm |
Charles, maybe for the new lizards, you could post a primer on why Paul, Rockwell & Jones are considered racists & nutjobs? Buchanan doesn't need an intro, IMHO, but maybe him too?
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:48:56pm |
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:49:15pm |
re: #244 calcajun
Never existed-era. Everyone's got smooth skin and straight white teeth.
I always like the part in movies taking place many hundreds of years ago, when they have a closeup of someone shouting, and you can see their fillings.
(Another anachronism I caught recently: While watching American Gangster (again), I noticed that Frank Lucas (Denzel Washington) is shown at one point totting up the sums he's making from his heroin business on a small electronic calculator... in 1968.)
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tfc3rid Fri, May 1, 2009 12:49:17pm |
It seems like Ed is upset about the characterization of specific groups (including right-wing extremeists and anti-immigration extemism) but never a specific mention of Muslim extremists...
If true, I cannot really disagree with him there...
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BignJames Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:19pm |
re: #258 calcajun
Another skin flick that got scratched.
I see where this is leading....please stop now.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:20pm |
re: #245 Occasional Reader
GMTA GMTA - we could do this all evening. /
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:46pm |
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KenJen Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:47pm |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:53pm |
re: #244 calcajun
Never existed-era. Everyone's got smooth skin and straight white teeth.
"How do you know he's a king?"
"E's the only one ain't got shit all over 'im."
/Monty Python & The Holy Grail
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:54pm |
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jcm Fri, May 1, 2009 12:50:57pm |
re: #262 BignJames
I see where this is leading....please stop now.
We should withdraw all skin flick puns?
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:10pm |
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Ward Cleaver Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:17pm |
The only good point that Ed makes is that there is no mention of muslim extremists in the document.
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:19pm |
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KingKenrod Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:22pm |
re: #261 tfc3rid
It seems like Ed is upset about the characterization of specific groups (including right-wing extremeists and anti-immigration extemism) but never a specific mention of Muslim extremists...
If true, I cannot really disagree with him there...
Maybe Islamic extremists get their own memos.
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Wendya Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:35pm |
re: #178 Kenneth
From the DHS memo:
racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)Odin's Cross debates anybody?
I'd never heard of it but apparently "Wotansvolk" is one of the many prison "religions" or "gangs". Even Mark Pitcavage of the SPL admits many people join these organizations for protection and special privileges. It's unknown how many people keep up the "belief" once they're released.
I would normally not visit the SPL website in search of information but this article was fairly interesting:
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:51:51pm |
re: #265 KenJen
Flava Flav could be one of those radical Nordic mysticism guys listed in the report.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:14pm |
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BignJames Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:19pm |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:23pm |
re: #268 jcm
We should withdraw all skin flick puns?
Is there a penalty for early withdraw? Maybe we should avoid plunging deeper into this subject.
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:39pm |
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:44pm |
re: #262 BignJames
I see where this is leading....please stop now.
You with the filthy mind. Your attitude is hardly ap-peeling.
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capitalist piglet Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:50pm |
re: #228 JacksonTn
CP .. doc martins? ... I have two pairs I have had forever ... they never wear out ...
Yeah, they are apparently in the report (from the HotAir story):
Raw Story and the Daily Beast report that DHS produced a “lexicon” cataloguing the clues to detect extremists, which include Doc Martens and opposition to drivers licenses for illegal aliens
Apparently Docs are not just a funky, durable shoe - they're also popular with skinheads, I'm told. Yikes!
I'm pretty sure they don't wear the leopard print ones though, so maybe I don't have to throw 'em out.
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 12:52:51pm |
re: #252 DistantThunder
Joe Leavey, a FDNY lieutenant who was off-duty on the morning of 9/11, was a neighbor of mine. He jumped in his car, and raced to his firehouse, which was in the South Street Seaport area close to Ground Zero. His last radio transmission was captured for posterity. He was leading his men up the stairs to the Sky Lobby in the WTC to treat and rescue the people who had been wounded by flying glass, and were bleeding to death.
The building came down on him and his men. We'll never forget.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:09pm |
re: #274 Wendya
I'd never heard of it but apparently "Wotansvolk" is one of the many prison "religions" or "gangs". Even Mark Pitcavage of the SPL admits many people join these organizations for protection and special privileges. It's unknown how many people keep up the "belief" once they're released.
I would normally not visit the SPL website in search of information but this article was fairly interesting:
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]
I guess not doing the crime in the first place so they need protection while in prison would be unfashionable thinking.
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:31pm |
re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Pick any Alex Jones audio recording. Listen to it for 10 seconds. The man is a paranoid bat-shit crazy-ass.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:44pm |
re: #281 capitalist piglet
Apparently Docs are not just a funky, durable shoe - they're also popular with skinheads, I'm told. Yikes!
I'm pretty sure they don't wear the leopard print ones though, so maybe I don't have to throw 'em out.
And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:53:51pm |
re: #279 subsailor68
Wow. I was just thinking the same thing.
Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.
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Occasional Reader Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:50pm |
re: #273 KingKenrod
Maybe Islamic extremists get their own memos.
I guess Ed didn't notice the introductory paragraph?
This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.
How much more clear can they get? Yes, this memo is about a certain group of threats. Does he seriously believe the DHS has never issued anything about specifically Islamist terrorism?!
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subsailor68 Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:50pm |
re: #288 DaddyG
Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.
I heard that's the latest buzz anyway.
;-)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:54:58pm |
re: #287 Honorary Yooper
And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.
Like golf, think Pete Rose has a great haircut - that type of woman?
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CommonCents Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:00pm |
re: #147 rightwinger3
Yoop, fixed. You didn't like the glowing puck on Fox Sports either?
I didn't. That thing drove me nuts. If you can't follow the puck you really don't have a clue what's going on anyway.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:05pm |
re: #288 DaddyG
Relax you are just being assimilated into the hive mind.
Resistance is futile. But we don't mind if you try.
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:06pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
This anti-government paranoia is a direct influence of the radical right. Paulians and Alex Jones types have been railing against the DHS and FEMA for years. It's sad to see conservatives embrace this as a core value.
Um....hello? Limited government IS a conservative core-value.
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:08pm |
re: #280 calcajun
You with the filthy mind. Your attitude is hardly ap-peeling.
In fact you are being quite callus.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:18pm |
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capitalist piglet Fri, May 1, 2009 12:55:49pm |
re: #249 Honorary Yooper
I'm sorry I looked at the comments over at Hot Air now. They've gone nucking futs. Does anyone have a shower handy?
Charles is a favorite target in the comments these days. I just wrote three replies about LGF/Charles on one thread alone.
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Kenneth Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:13pm |
re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans
I guess not doing the crime in the first place so they need protection while in prison would be unfashionable thinking.
The fact that prisoners form religiously or racially based extremist groups (white, black, Mexican, Muslim) says something about the society they inhabit and something about the society of similar extremists outside the prisons.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:17pm |
re: #258 calcajun
Another skin flick that got scratched.
Or the one about the upset Egyptian goddess:
Sore Isis
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:24pm |
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Querent Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:25pm |
re: #178 Kenneth
From the DHS memo:
racial Nordic mysticism
(U//FOUO) An ideology adopted by many white supremacist
prison gangs who embrace a Norse mythological religion,
such as Odinism or Asatru.
(also: Odinism, Asatru)Odin's Cross debates anybody?
(nooooo, not again!) which is all the more laughable to anyone who actually knows jack about Norse myth -- the idea of Odin having a cross -- in the usual sense in which a cross is understood -- doesn't make any sense.
(silly Nazis!)
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:35pm |
re: #242 Charles
Notice -- this time, Ed Morrissey's yelling about a report that was recalled "within minutes" of its release.
Was this a test to see the reaction time of the blogs?
/
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:53pm |
re: #299 capitalist piglet
Charles is a favorite target in the comments these days. I just wrote three replies about LGF/Charles on one thread alone.
I've been noticing that. The counterfeit site posted a screen not too long ago about Charles and Rusty, and it is kind to neither and brought all of the loonies out of the woodwork.
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capitalist piglet Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:06pm |
re: #287 Honorary Yooper
And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.
Uh oh. What types? Whatever type it is, I am probably NOT it (unless it's suburban, convertible-driving musician types).
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DaddyG Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:33pm |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:37pm |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:46pm |
re: #306 capitalist piglet
Uh oh. What types? Whatever type it is, I am probably NOT it (unless it's suburban, convertible-driving musician types).
Usually left-leaning types in my experience.
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calcajun Fri, May 1, 2009 12:58:45pm |
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Bubblehead II Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:24pm |
re: #216 Charles
Oh boy. See what you mean.
The only people labeled “domestic extremists” in their lexicon are those opposed to them and their domestic power grab. It’s inside baseball in the guise of legitimate Federal government business.
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jcm Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:45pm |
It confirmed.
We are not alone!
'Alien skull' spotted on MarsAn oddly shaped space boulder appears to show eye sockets and a nose leading to speculation it might be a Martian skull.
One alien-spotter speculated: "The skull is 15 cm with binocular eyes 5 cm apart. The cranial capacity is approximately 1400 cc.
"There appears to be a narrow pointed small mouth, so this creature most likely is a carnivore."
Another joked: "The coronal ridge shows ample structure to support the musculature of antennae, although none are visible in this view.
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Truck Monkey Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:40pm |
re: #275 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
The Vikings should give him free season tickets! Small price to pay for such great advertising.
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Truck Monkey Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:19pm |
re: #287 Honorary Yooper
And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.
No. They're Birkenstocks. In the 70's they were Earth Shoes.
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Russkilitlover Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:04pm |
re: #222 tfc3rid
I think it comes down to people overreacting without really reading it...
Like signing the porkulis bill....
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JacksonTn Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:51pm |
re: #287 Honorary Yooper
And here I thought Doc Martins were worn by certain types of women.
HY ... well, I don't know what kind of certain woman I am ... but I have had two pairs and wear them on the farms ... but then ... they are brown ... are those considered skinhead boots too? ... geez ... I am going to get profiled because of my boots ...
/my head is swirling ...
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:18pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Wow, you guys have truly lost your minds.
I am not the one trying to deny another citizen their 1st amendment rights.
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DistantThunder Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:38pm |
re: #282 quickjustice
Joe Leavey, a FDNY lieutenant who was off-duty on the morning of 9/11, was a neighbor of mine. He jumped in his car, and raced to his firehouse, which was in the South Street Seaport area close to Ground Zero. His last radio transmission was captured for posterity. He was leading his men up the stairs to the Sky Lobby in the WTC to treat and rescue the people who had been wounded by flying glass, and were bleeding to death.
The building came down on him and his men. We'll never forget.
Thank you for sharing that. Our friend was the co-pilot on the second plane to hit the towers. We attended the funeral without a body, and with military security like you can't believe, including air security.
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Noam Sayin' Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:52pm |
You know, if FOX doesn't clean up their act, I'm going to stop watching the network solely for the news babes.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:06pm |
re: #312 jcm
It confirmed.
We are not alone!
'Alien skull' spotted on MarsAn oddly shaped space boulder appears to show eye sockets and a nose leading to speculation it might be a Martian skull.
One alien-spotter speculated: "The skull is 15 cm with binocular eyes 5 cm apart. The cranial capacity is approximately 1400 cc.
"There appears to be a narrow pointed small mouth, so this creature most likely is a carnivore."
Another joked: "The coronal ridge shows ample structure to support the musculature of antennae, although none are visible in this view.
I should know better than to try to make sense of nonsense, but noses don't have bones.
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CantonJim Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:40pm |
Greetings Lizards. Can anyone tell me what credentials this Judge actually has? I am not familiar with his bio.
He does bear a strong resemblance to Eddie Munster.
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Sharmuta Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:32pm |
re: #325 CantonJim
He does bear a strong resemblance to Eddie Munster.
OMG! He does! I never thought of that.
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quickjustice Fri, May 1, 2009 2:04:33pm |
re: #322 DistantThunder
Giuliani attended Joe's funeral. Giuliani attended every funeral of a uniformed officer struck down in the attacks.
Another of my neighbors, a bond trader with Cantor Fitzgerald, also was killed. He left behind a young widow and small children. At their funeral, his little girl learned over to a friend and whispered, "We're burying a finger bone. That's all they could find of Daddy."
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Athos Fri, May 1, 2009 2:25:28pm |
re: #54 Charles
I'm on record with my contempt for the Judge and FNC permitting the Judge via 'Freedom Watch' to promote Paul, Jones, Rockwell, and their ilk.
Doing a quick search, I've found that Cavuto had Paul on his show 3 times in '09 (1/8, 1/17, and 3/10) and in those, pretty much bashed Paul for his economic ideas and hypocrisy on earmarks. While the Judge is clearly a Paul supporter / friend, I do not see the same level of evidence that puts Cavuto at the same level.
Ultimately, though, the key point is that FNC, in particular with the Judge, is pandering for ratings by highlighting some very fringe people who should not get the stage they are getting at FNC.
It's bad enough that the other news outlets embrace and promote the fringe on the left. There is equally no reason why the fringe on the right has to get 'equal time'. If Olberidiot or Matthews are taken to task for going in the tank for Obama, then the Judge also has to be taken to task for doing the same for Luap Nor.
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Bloodnok Fri, May 1, 2009 2:38:47pm |
re: #116 rawmuse
Well, I think you have gone around the bend.
And, for the record, you are encouraging violence (or terrorism) when you say that conservatives should "throw out the Paulians" from public demonstrations, because you simply can't do that lawfully, you'd have to resort to violence or terrorism to do it.IMHO
So because of what you think he must mean in his phrasing you are accusing him of inciting violence? He's done no such thing. Downding.
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 2:55:04pm |
re: #329 Bloodnok
So because of what you think he must mean in his phrasing you are accusing him of inciting violence? He's done no such thing. Downding.
Down ding if you must, but
How does one eject another out of a public demonstration without using violence?
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rawmuse Fri, May 1, 2009 3:00:31pm |
re: #329 Bloodnok
So because of what you think he must mean in his phrasing you are accusing him of inciting violence? He's done no such thing. Downding.
It is not about what I think. It is about what the law says.
The law says if you touch (or even spit on) a counter demonstrator, that is an Assault, and you can be arrested and charged with, at the very least, disorderly conduct, at the most, assault with intent to do bodily harm.
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 3:05:30pm |
re: #328 Athos
Doing a quick search, I've found that Cavuto had Paul on his show 3 times in '09 (1/8, 1/17, and 3/10) and in those, pretty much bashed Paul for his economic ideas and hypocrisy on earmarks. While the Judge is clearly a Paul supporter / friend, I do not see the same level of evidence that puts Cavuto at the same level.
Have a look through the videos posted at YouTube by Paulians, and see if you still think that...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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Charles Johnson Fri, May 1, 2009 3:06:56pm |
re: #331 rawmuse
It is not about what I think. It is about what the law says.
The law says if you touch (or even spit on) a counter demonstrator, that is an Assault, and you can be arrested and charged with, at the very least, disorderly conduct, at the most, assault with intent to do bodily harm.
I'm sorry, I do not agree with you on this. By "ejecting the Ron Paul supporters," Killgore is saying they should be renounced and driven out of the demonstration, with strong disapproval. He said nothing about violence, and I think you're over-reacting drastically.
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Lightspeed Fri, May 1, 2009 3:34:41pm |
I don't mind if they have these guys on FNC--as long as they properly identify them in caption. Let's see, "Alex Jones, 9/11 Truther and All-Around Conspiracy Nutcase," "Congressman Ron Paul - Pseudo Libertarian, Attention Whore, and anti-Semite," "Lew Rockwell - Ron Paul Toady, Race Warrior," "Pat Buchanan - White America Firster, Holocaust Skeptic, Hitler Apologist." I kinda doubt they would go on the shows, though.
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bungie Fri, May 1, 2009 6:36:14pm |
re: #80 CyanSnowHawk
Easier, more seductive, is the dark side.
Easier, more seductive, the dark side is.
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Tom on the rez Fri, May 1, 2009 6:37:59pm |
I don't believe (okay I'm hoping here) that Fox News knows what kind of crazyness "Judge" N. is bringing to their web. Ron Paul's appearances I can understand - congresscritter and prez candidate - but the rest is just goofier than a shithouse rat. I've always had trouble "pinning down" Napolitano, other than his being an asshole. If they let this go on much longer, they'll lose all credibility. And that's all they've got, compared to the rest of the TV media. Now they seem like some sort of short-wave UFO program.
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koedo Sat, May 2, 2009 6:08:51am |
Why all the huffin' and puffin'? We have a sitting President who has racist and extremist pals galore. That's not my opinion, either. It's a fact.
So, comparatively speaking, Fox New is hardly breaking new ground with it's promotions and associations, as odious as they are to some people.
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funky chicken Sat, May 2, 2009 10:34:24am |
re: #338 koedo
Hey, the other side glorifies and apologizes for their lunatic fringe, so we should do it too!
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funky chicken Sat, May 2, 2009 10:35:49am |
re: #335 Lightspeed
I don't mind if they have these guys on FNC--as long as they properly identify them in caption. Let's see, "Alex Jones, 9/11 Truther and All-Around Conspiracy Nutcase," "Congressman Ron Paul - Pseudo Libertarian, Attention Whore, and anti-Semite," "Lew Rockwell - Ron Paul Toady, Race Warrior," "Pat Buchanan - White America Firster, Holocaust Skeptic, Hitler Apologist." I kinda doubt they would go on the shows, though.
that would be awesome, and I would actually watch that. as it is, I won't even turn on Fox News.
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Salamantis Sat, May 2, 2009 3:37:16pm |
re: #214 capitalist piglet
I have three pair of Docs. I am screwed. (Though the leopard print ones look particularly menacing.)
If you really wanna give other skins the signal that you're a racist white supremacist, you lace your Doc Martens up with red laces instad of white ones.
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