Another Round of Screaming at the DHS Begins

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US News • Fri May 1, 2009 at 12:55 pm PDT • Views: 327

Here we go again. Now everyone’s screaming about a DHS memo that was actually recalled “within minutes” of being released, defining a “lexicon” of domestic extremists of all types: Who You Calling an Extremist?

This time the lefties can start yelling too.

Here’s the memo. (PDF)

I can see absolutely nothing wrong with this memo. It’s an even-handed look at a whole range of extremist groups, including animal rights activists, environmental terrorist gangs, anarchists, black bloc, black nationalists, Aztlan, Christian Identity weirdos, neo-Nazis, etc.

Right, left, and everything else on the politico-anarchist spectrum.

But Ed Morrissey’s calling it a “broad-ranging assault on political thought.”

Which (I’m sorry to say, Ed) … is completely off the rails.

UPDATE at 5/1/09 1:25:15 pm:

Ed says:

But doesn’t this list seem a little … incomplete? And is Jewish extremism really more of a threat than Muslim extremism? Here in the Twin Cities, we haven’t seen Jewish immigrants suddenly disappear and conduct suicide bombings in Somalia. Isn’t DHS just a wee bit curious about that?

The very first paragraph of the memo states:

This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

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1 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:03pm

Extra boring

2 Ojoe  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:43pm

The screaming that is

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:46pm

Good god, the right is outdoing the left with their total immersion in ODS. And this is after only 100 days, the rest of O's four years will only get worse.

4 Kragar  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56:55pm

LOUD NOISES!

/Brick

5 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:38pm

Let 'em go. He's on a roll.

/germans, pearl harbor, etc.

6 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:47pm

re: #2 Ojoe

The screaming that is

I don't find the screaming boring at all. Alarming would be the least I could begin the description.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:57:50pm

It is “broad-ranging assault on wacked-out political thought.”
Fixed it

8 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:58:34pm

Well, I bitch about nearly every gubmint agency...just 'cause.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:58:38pm

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

Let 'em go. He's on a roll.

/germans, pearl harbor, etc.

And Drake was too smart for the German fleet.
/Prof. Gumby

10 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:58:50pm

I feel like I'm at the zoo in the primate exhibit when reading those blogs. Too many howler monkeys for my taste.

11 Silvergirl  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:21pm

Fanatics need a good reining in/reality check every so often without regard for which direction the fanaticism takes them.

12 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:29pm

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

I feel like I'm at the zoo in the primate exhibit when reading those blogs. Too many howler monkeys for my taste.

No to mention the poo-flinging.

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:33pm

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

I feel like I'm at the zoo in the primate exhibit when reading those blogs. Too many howler monkeys for my taste.

And the readers of those blogs call US the crazy ones.

14 KingKenrod  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:41pm

Why was it recalled? Political reasons? Typos? Paper reduction act?

15 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 12:59:50pm

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

No to mention the poo-flinging.

No shit. I've read the comments.

16 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:00:09pm

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

Not to mention the poo-flinging.

FTFM.

17 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:00:35pm

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

18 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:00:51pm

The moronic convergence of the self-esteem and political correctness movements:

Everyone is equally special.

19 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:00:55pm

Has he stomped his widdle foot and held his bweaff?

20 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:10pm

Just wait, Charles. Levin, Hannity, etc., will pick this up and RUN with it. Unfortunately.

21 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:14pm

re: #14 KingKenrod

Why was it recalled? Political reasons? Typos? Paper reduction act?

Soon there will be some new conspiracy theory flatulated to explain the recall, just wait a few moments.

22 thedopefishlives  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:16pm

Look, nutjobs are nutjobs, I don't care what direction they come from: Right, Left, Center, or up the banana tree. It's Homeland Security's job to care about who has the potential to do this country harm, not about what their pet cause may be. It's up to the activists to prove their intentions are peaceful and non-violent, and chances are that if they make it onto a DHS memo, they haven't been doing that very well.

23 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

Been there, done that. They've been doing that for weeks now.

24 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:19pm

Whom ever is leaking these DHS memos must be having a great time watching the reactions.

25 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:24pm

Morrisey says:

DHS produced a “lexicon” cataloguing the clues to detect extremists, which include Doc Martens and opposition to drivers licenses for illegal aliens — but somehow never gets around to mentioning Muslim extremists

I guess he didn't actually read the dang thing?

This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

It's not that it "never gets around to mentioning" Islamic extremism, it's that the memo is, very specifically, about a different group of "domestic" threats.

26 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

Charles, why do you hate chihuahuas?

27 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:12pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

As easy a prediction as the sun will rise tomorrow.

28 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:17pm

Maybe the overall gist of the report needs to be pointed out to Ed so he doesn't come off like an ass regarding the 'Muslim extremism' deal.

The overall report is, well, factual. Nothing more, nothing less...

29 Kragar  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

Now the odd thing about that is my brother and I were actually talking about a horror movie where a geneticist crossbred piranha and chihuahuas so you had a massive swarm of yipping death.

30 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:02:55pm

Ed
is
reaching

31 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:03:09pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

The hazard of calmly and rationally analyzing something when the others are spinning into a frenzy about it.

32 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:03:26pm

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

As easy a prediction as the sun will rise tomorrow.

Bet your bottom dollar!

33 lawhawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:03:37pm

A couple of interesting questions flow from the release of these leaked memos. Who was leaking them to the public? For what purpose? And who at DHS thought that these half-assed definitions were worthy for use in providing useful information to law enforcement across the country.

Let's just take the skinhead movement for example. There's any number of subgroups within that movement. Only some espouse violent tendencies. Some align with neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups. Those ones ought to be followed. But saying that they wear Doc Martens isn't particularly helpful.

Heck, even Wikipedia provides a better definition than the one provided by the DHS. Maybe that's a reason why people are upset with these reports. They're done in such a half-assed manner that anyone and everyone who knows how to do a basic Google search can come up with faults with these reports.

34 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:03:48pm

re: #25 Occasional Reader

That might leave a mark, OR.

35 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:03:51pm

re: #26 MandyManners

Charles, why do you hate chihuahuas?

They keep peddling that lousy faux-Mexican fast food!

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #30 Sharmuta

Ed
is
reaching

Ed ain't the only one.

37 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:05pm

Good for the DHS. They are doing their job. This screaming and hysterics is going to stifle their work. The last thing we need are security agencies afraid to do their job.

38 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:16pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

Charles, why do you hate Chihuahuas?

/especially chloe?

39 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:44pm

re: #37 Kenneth

Good for the DHS. They are doing their job. This screaming and hysterics is going to stifle their work. The last thing we need are security agencies afraid to do their job.

They are already scared enough to begin with...

40 funky chicken  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:49pm

ELF = "political thought"

not in my book

41 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:04:59pm

re: #17 Charles

Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like with crazed chihuahuas.

Even better!

42 pink freud  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:01pm

re: #17 Charles

An easy prediction: Hot Air readers will now start attacking me like crazed chihuahuas.

Apoplectic ankle-biters.

43 lawhawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:13pm

re: #33 lawhawk

Oh, and that said, Ed's response is still overreaching.

DHS has to put out reports that deal with all manner of extremists. It's their job. I just wish they'd do a better job of it (particularly in the communications department).

44 nyc redneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:14pm

how abt. this group:
"violent anti-war extremism"

(it doesn't sound like they really get the gist of peace.)

45 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:17pm

re: #26 MandyManners

Charles, why do you hate chihuahuas?

GMTA, but mine includes a cute picture.

46 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:22pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ed ain't the only one.

Nope, not by a long shot. I've noticed that Rusty is also now getting attacked by our detractors for his Geert Wilders post.

47 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:05:46pm

re: #25 Occasional Reader

Morrisey says:

It's not that it "never gets around to mentioning" Islamic extremism, it's that the memo is, very specifically, about a different group of "domestic" threats.

There you go again OR, talking facts.

48 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:07pm

Who was it upthread that said they had Doc Martens?

Dress often includes a shaved
head or very short hair, jeans, thin suspenders, combat boots
or Doc Martens, and a bomber jacket.
(also: skins)


You're being profiled, you skinhead!

49 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:11pm

re: #44 nyc redneck

how abt. this group:
"violent anti-war extremism"

(it doesn't sound like they really get the gist of peace.)

Big League Oxymoron...

50 Plato  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:21pm

I respect Charle's independence. It's easy to be a joiner. But to choose what to join...that's the challenge.

51 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:34pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

They keep peddling that lousy faux-Mexican fast food!

Pero, te quiero!

52 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:34pm
53 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:42pm

I see from the previous thread that several of you idiots interpreted some of my comments as advocating terrorism against Paulians. The rules at the top of each thread state...


Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

Please report those comments for deletion or STFU.

54 Baier  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:06:49pm

re: #50 Plato

I respect Charle's independence. It's easy to be a joiner. But to choose what to join...that's the challenge.

I'm with you!

55 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:07:31pm

Crazed Chihuahuas


There's another kind?

56 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:07:51pm

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
and avoid the verbose bloggers
who delight in flinging poo...

57 MandyManners  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:07:56pm

Gotta' go chop some more stuff for dinner. bbiaw

58 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:20pm

re: #50 Plato

I respect Charle's independence. It's easy to be a joiner. But to choose what to join...that's the challenge.

With respect, trying to join lgf ain't easy. ;)

But once one gets in, it is well worth the effort.

59 Tazzerman  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:32pm

I find it interesting that the following is included BUT there's not even a HINT of muslim extremism.. Am I missing something here?

(U) Jewish extremism (U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals of theJewish faith who are willing to use violence or commit other
criminal acts to protect themselves against perceived affronts
to their religious or ethnic identity.

60 funky chicken  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:33pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Look, nutjobs are nutjobs, I don't care what direction they come from: Right, Left, Center, or up the banana tree. It's Homeland Security's job to care about who has the potential to do this country harm, not about what their pet cause may be. It's up to the activists to prove their intentions are peaceful and non-violent, and chances are that if they make it onto a DHS memo, they haven't been doing that very well.

I remember back in college and grad school one of my good friends was big in the campus ACLU, and spent way too much time talking about "secret FBI files." I was shocked and saddened to find that I don't have one even though I hung around with some rather wacky characters back then. ///

Really, you have to be a threat to wind up on an FBI or DHS watch list.

61 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:36pm
62 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:08:46pm

re: #48 redstateredneck

Who was it upthread that said they had Doc Martens?

Oddly, I've never thought of Doc Martens as skinhead shoes. Left-leaning vegan lesbian shoes yes, but this is new to me.

63 JacksonTn  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:09:15pm

um ... might need an early FNDT ... this crap is getting crazy ...

/ya'll go ahead I am not finished working ... cocktails on me ...

64 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:09:23pm

Can the Gulags be far behind?

///

Get a grip. It a dictionary, not a cookbook.

65 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:06pm

re: #59 Tazzerman

I find it interesting that the following is included BUT there's not even a HINT of muslim extremism.. Am I missing something here?

(U) Jewish extremism (U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals of theJewish faith who are willing to use violence or commit other
criminal acts to protect themselves against perceived affronts
to their religious or ethnic identity.

Yes, you are missing something:

This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

66 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:18pm

re: #59 Tazzerman


See above... The report states this is discussing 'NON-MUSLIM EXTREMISM'

67 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:19pm

re: #61 Kenneth

Damn. That dog needs to star in It's Me or the Dog PDQ. What a nasty little thing.

68 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:22pm

re: #62 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've never thought of Doc Martens as skinhead shoes. Left-leaning vegan lesbian shoes yes, but this is new to me.

I thought they started out being a skinhead thing.

69 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #44 nyc redneck

how abt. this group:
"violent anti-war extremism"

(it doesn't sound like they really get the gist of peace.)

Peace! If if we have to kill you!
//

70 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:29pm

re: #62 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've never thought of Doc Martens as skinhead shoes. Left-leaning vegan lesbian shoes yes, but this is new to me.

Left leaning vegan lesbian skinheads. A new group to watch.

71 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:31pm

re: #62 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've never thought of Doc Martens as skinhead shoes

I've definitely heard of that association, at least as far back as being in the UK in the mid-80s.

(I prefer Vasque boots, myself.)

72 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:39pm

re: #59 Tazzerman

I find it interesting that the following is included BUT there's not even a HINT of muslim extremism.. Am I missing something here?

(U) Jewish extremism (U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals of theJewish faith who are willing to use violence or commit other
criminal acts to protect themselves against perceived affronts
to their religious or ethnic identity.

Read OR's #25.

73 DistantThunder  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:43pm

Don't take your eye off the ball people. This is a red herring.

74 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:52pm

I agree that the document is good at describing various groups that are deserving of attention and terminology should always be defined. It is disconcerting that people from all stripes of life have decided that talking isn't enough and that violent action is necessary. It's more upsetting to me that such a document has to be written in our country, as I really wish that the great freedoms of our country didn't lead people to feel they have to remake our country.

I'm not saying this well, and I'm not someplace where I can write this well, so my apologies in advance if this causes a flame war...not my intention at all.

75 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:10:58pm

and this is worthy of note how...?

It's a list of know groups etc. that DHS has to watch.

Some of the other blogs are nervous because they let some of the members rant about committing acts of personal violence. That is not tolerable. Letting someone rant is like ignoring a toddler's tantrum.

Back to salt mine.

76 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:11:25pm

I haven't read this memo to criticize it (yet), but if the DHS actually did pull it back five minutes after releasing it, then something really is wrong.

77 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:11:29pm

re: #70 redstateredneck

Left leaning vegan lesbian skinheads. A new group to watch.

I was watching a whole group of lesbians just last night, on a video I rented. I should be deputized by the DHS!

/

78 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:11:35pm
79 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #65 Charles

So all this blather is just smoke and mirrors yet again, eh? Why the fuck am I not surprised the usual suspects are at it again.

80 funky chicken  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:11:47pm

re: #48 redstateredneck

Doc Martens were really popular with the lefites back when I was in school. They like Birkinstocks in summer and Doc Martens in winter. Birkinstocks are really comfortable, but I never saw the appeal of Doc Martens. My friends who wore them just swore by them though.

Yeah, I hung with the granola munching hippies back then. It's really funny to see Doc Martens associated with reich-wingers though. I guess that just shows how old I am.

81 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #77 Occasional Reader

I was watching a whole group of lesbians just last night, on a video I rented. I should be deputized by the DHS!

/

I'll bet you saw a Brazilian of them.

82 JacksonTn  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:12:24pm

re: #77 Occasional Reader

I was watching a whole group of lesbians just last night, on a video I rented. I should be deputized by the DHS!

/

OR ... dawg ...

/why do men only want to watch lipstick lesbian porn? ...

83 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:12:26pm

re: #73 DistantThunder

Don't take your eye off the ball people. This is a red herring.

I prefer kippered herring.

/smoke me a kipper, i'll be back before breakfast

84 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:12:28pm

re: #61 Kenneth

My neighbor at the lake has a chihuahua like that. You can be sitting there with her in your lap petting her and she's sweet as pie, but all of a sudden she'll go off like that. Also, if she's on the floor and you step anywhere near her. That one may be self defense. There have been a lot of drunks stumbling around over there before.

85 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:12:29pm

re: #65 Charles

This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

Apparently the terms defining Islamic extremism change to rapidly to be committed to a government document.

86 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #70 redstateredneck

Left leaning vegan lesbian skinheads. A new group to watch.


What are the first 4 rows at a Sinead O'Connor concert?
/channeling Karnac.

87 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #81 Honorary Yooper

I'll bet you saw a Brazilian of them.

I think we should have the militant lesbian phenomenon licked in no time.

/ducks

88 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:17pm

re: #76 looking closely

I haven't read this memo to criticize it (yet), but if the DHS actually did pull it back five minutes after releasing it, then something really is wrong.

I think the reason for the recall of the document is that it treads on some non-PC toes.

89 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:22pm

re: #80 funky chicken

Same here. That's what the lefties in my high school classes wore. Birks and Docs. I always stood out like a sore thumb in the honors classes with my Reeboks.

90 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:25pm

re: #70 redstateredneck

Left leaning vegan lesbian skinheads. A new group to watch.

Shinead O'Conner has a new album out?

91 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:48pm

re: #82 JacksonTn

OR ... dawg ...

/why do men only want to watch lipstick lesbian porn? ...

because the left-leaning, vegan, lesbian skinhead pron is just weird.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:51pm

re: #85 CyanSnowHawk

Apparently the terms defining Islamic extremism change to rapidly to be committed to a government document.

Or it simply could be what the document says it is, something to highlight other extremist domestic groups that get little to no attention because of radical Islam.

93 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:53pm

re: #77 Occasional Reader

I was watching a whole group of lesbians just last night, on a video I rented. I should be deputized by the DHS!

/

I'll just bet you were!

94 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:13:55pm

re: #88 Charles

I think the reason for the recall of the document is that it treads on some non-PC toes.

Alas, there's no entry for fork-wielding chocoholics!

/major sarc

95 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:05pm

re: #88 Charles

I think the reason for the recall of the document is that it treads on some non-PC toes.

You mean some of Obama's core constituency?

96 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #90 CyanSnowHawk

Shinead O'Conner has a new album out?

GMTA #86

97 Dan G.  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:24pm

Common theme in those entities listed in this lexicon... violence. This is an appropriate document for the government to compile, where's the fire?

98 CommonCents  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:24pm

I think the document actually makes alot of sense. Setting parameters around the terms used in official documentation makes it more difficult for folks to come along later and claim they "misinterpreted" something.

99 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:29pm

re: #88 Charles

I think the reason for the recall of the document is that it treads on some non-PC toes.

Pulling punches. Ouch.

100 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:36pm

There's a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.

101 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:14:57pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

There's a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.

Great.

102 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:07pm

re: #24 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Whom everWhoever is leaking these DHS memos must be having a great time watching the reactions.

[stern look]

103 jvic  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:08pm

Everybody has a Constitutional right not to be offended. Whoever wrote the memo needs a long stretch in a sensitivity training camp.

(The right is not restricted to US citizens or residents, of course.)

104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #77 Occasional Reader

I was watching a whole group of lesbians just last night, on a video I rented. I should be deputized by the DHS!

/

Or you could get a job as a New Jersey State bikini zone inspector.

105 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:25pm

re: #101 Charles

Great.

Get to it, Stinky!

106 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:26pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

I think we should have the militant lesbian phenomenon licked in no time.

/ducks

I see a couple of holes in your logic.

107 Plato  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:34pm

When Charles registers disagreement with fellow center-right or other right wing bloggers, the conservative blogosphere polices itself.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:43pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

There's a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.

I doubt much longer. ;)

109 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:44pm

re: #85 CyanSnowHawk

Apparently the terms defining Islamic extremism change to too rapidly to be committed to a government document.

PIMF.

110 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

There's a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.

Not for long...

111 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #74 vxbush

I agree that the document is good at describing various groups that are deserving of attention and terminology should always be defined. It is disconcerting that people from all stripes of life have decided that talking isn't enough and that violent action is necessary. It's more upsetting to me that such a document has to be written in our country, as I really wish that the great freedoms of our country didn't lead people to feel they have to remake our country.

I'm not saying this well, and I'm not someplace where I can write this well, so my apologies in advance if this causes a flame war...not my intention at all.

I agree with you in general. I think "of all stripes" is maybe a bit inaccurate. These might be "extremists of all stripes"?

In any case, I don't even see why they retracted this. Looks to me like a good list. There were some groups on the list I'd never heard of.

112 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:16:08pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

There's a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.

We'll have to close the beaches.

113 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:16:19pm

re: #101 Charles

When it rains, it pours.

114 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:16:38pm

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or you could get a job as a New Jersey State bikini zone inspector.

Waxing comedic, are we?

115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:16:44pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

We'll have to close the beaches.

There's no beaches on Tatooine.

116 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:00pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

When it rains, it pours.

And what does Morton Salt have to do with a fascist enabler? ;)

117 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:09pm

re: #44 nyc redneck

"violent anti-war extremism"

That sort of extremism pays dividends...just ask Ayers and Dohrn.

118 Arbalest  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:11pm

re: #106 DaddyG

Be careful: O.R. might defend his argument all the way to the carpet.

119 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:13pm

re: #94 vxbush

Alas, there's no entry for fork-wielding chocoholics!

/major sarc

You know you're addicted when you use a fork to eat chocolate ;~)

120 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:30pm

I, for one, am glad that the DHS is actually doing something, even if it is only making lists.

121 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:35pm

re: #115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There's no beaches on Tatooine.


There's no crying in baseball.

122 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:37pm

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

Or it simply could be what the document says it is, something to highlight other extremist domestic groups that get little to no attention because of radical Islam.

I really should remember my /

123 Baier  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:48pm

That document seems politically unbiased.

124 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:17:52pm

re: #116 FurryOldGuyJeans

And what does Morton Salt have to do with a fascist enabler? ;)

Salt is great at getting rid of slugs?

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:33pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

Salt is great at getting rid of slugs?

But what a mess they leave when they get salted. ;)

126 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:37pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

We'll have to close the beaches.

heh..stinky: "I'll find'em fer $3,000, but I'll catch'em an kill'em for $10,000"

127 spinmore  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:39pm

Having some EXTREMEly thick meat sauce w/spaghetti for dinner, with LIBERAL amounts of 'extra virgin' olive oil (from the bargan store). Why the need to put it in a green glass bottle(?) Hummm (scratches head)

. . . wonder if I'm on any watch lists (?) . . better start browning the meat (also from the super bargain store) looks pretty good . . .

128 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:39pm

re: #116 FurryOldGuyJeans

And what does Morton Salt have to do with a fascist enabler? ;)

They're like slugs, a little salt and they melt.

129 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:18:53pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

Salt is great at getting rid of slugs?

I'm melting...

130 Dan G.  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:19:22pm

re: #107 Plato

When Charles registers disagreement with fellow center-right or other right wing bloggers, the conservative blogosphere polices shits itself.

Fixed that for ya.

131 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:19:34pm

re: #12 Ward Cleaver

No to mention the poo-flinging.

but when they grab the rope in their teeth and spin it's hilarious cuz they get all dizzy and fall off!

132 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:19:38pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

There's a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.

I count two of them. A new one, and that Faud guy who's back for more.

133 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There's no beaches on Tatooine.

It's all beach and no shore.

134 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:20:10pm

re: #127 spinmore

. . wonder if I'm on any watch lists (?)


Only if you're using the 72 extra virgins olive oil.

135 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:20:32pm

re: #133 CyanSnowHawk

It's all beach and no shore.


A desert?

136 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:20:40pm

re: #111 eschew_obfuscation

I agree with you in general. I think "of all stripes" is maybe a bit inaccurate. These might be "extremists of all stripes"?

In any case, I don't even see why they retracted this. Looks to me like a good list. There were some groups on the list I'd never heard of.

Well, it's seem to be folks on both the left and the right who can fall into the trap of thinking that talking isn't enough.

Aside: we actually have a commercial on local talk radio that talks about "being mugged by a band of wild cabinet-wielding homicidal Amish maniacs" or something like that. Really rather funny.

"Hand over thy motorized buggy!"

137 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:20:48pm

re: #132 Honorary Yooper

I count two of them. A new one, and that Faud guy who's back for more.

He sure is a glutton for punishment. But then a dead thread is easy and fun to shit in for a while until the management starts to notice the smell.

138 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:20:53pm

OK, just read this. Its pretty bland.

I don't particularly care for one or two of the definitions (particularly the one on rightwing extremism), but unlike that POS "right wing extremism" report, I certainly can't get all worked up about this.

(U) rightwing extremism
(U//FOUO) A movement of rightwing groups or individuals
who can be broadly divided into those who are primarily
hate-oriented, and those who are mainly antigovernment and
reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.
This term also may refer to rightwing extremist movements
that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to
abortion or immigration. (also known as far right, extreme right)


The reason I don't I don't like this one is that its a particularly sloppy definition that conveniently lumps together lots of otherwise mainstream political (ie Republican) beliefs.

In fairness, many of the non "rightwing" groups could be defined as "hate oriented".
How is being pro-Federalist being "hate oriented"?
How is being anti-abortion being "hate oriented"?
IMO single-issue groups should be categorized as such.

139 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:20:56pm

re: #121 BignJames

There's no crying in baseball.

Unless you're a Ranger fan.

140 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:21:01pm

re: #118 Arbalest

Be careful: O.R. might defend his argument all the way to the carpet.

Should we form a bi-partisan commission to examine this problem?

141 kansas  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:21:08pm

But Ed Morrissey’s calling it a “broad-ranging assault on political thought.”

He also said this:

Hey, I’m not going to argue that there aren’t threats within all of these groups, and at least this focuses on actual known groups rather than just political discourse. But doesn’t this list seem a little … incomplete? And is Jewish extremism really more of a threat than Muslim extremism? Here in the Twin Cities, we haven’t seen Jewish immigrants suddenly disappear and conduct suicide bombings in Somalia. Isn’t DHS just a wee bit curious about that?

142 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:21:47pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

We'll have to close the beaches.

143 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:21:51pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

Unless you're a Ranger fan.

or Mariners fan.

144 Aye Pod  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:22:03pm

This is insane! Since when do the American conservatives take the side of groups like Aztlan against the evil gubmint?

145 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:22:18pm
146 jorline  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:22:30pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

Unless you're a Ranger fan.

*sniff* Astros fan.

147 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:22:43pm

re: #138 looking closely

How is being pro-Federalist being "hate oriented"?
How is being anti-abortion being "hate oriented"?
IMO single-issue groups should be categorized as such.

I suppose the defense is "we mean VIOLENT anti-abortion (or whatever) groups", but I agree that they should have been more clear.

148 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:22:49pm

re: #143 FurryOldGuyJeans

or Mariners fan.

or Cubs...or Mets

149 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #146 jorline

*sniff* Astros fan.

PFFFT! Mariners fan. ;)

150 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:07pm

re: #141 kansas

Sorry, but Ed is reaching. The memo specifically states it's dealing with non-islamic threats.

151 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:15pm

re: #144 Jimmah

This is insane! Since when do the American conservatives take the side of groups like Aztlan against the evil gubmint?

Since it would look silly to attack the evil breathmint.
/

152 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:33pm

re: #141 kansas

But Ed Morrissey’s calling it a “broad-ranging assault on political thought.”

He also said this:

But doesn%u2019t this list seem a little %u2026 incomplete? And is Jewish extremism really more of a threat than Muslim extremism? Here in the Twin Cities, we haven%u2019t seen Jewish immigrants suddenly disappear and conduct suicide bombings in Somalia. Isn%u2019t DHS just a wee bit curious about that?

The VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH of the memo states:

This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

153 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Should we form a bi-partisan commission to examine this problem?

Yup, we want to put a finger in this dike before it overflows. /

154 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:23:45pm

re: #143 FurryOldGuyJeans

or Mariners fan.

Nationals fans are more bewildered than anything else.

155 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:24:04pm

If you can only see dangerous nutters on the other side of the political spectrum, and not on your own side, you either have a very big blind spot or you are one of the nuts on your side.

156 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:24:14pm

re: #151 CyanSnowHawk

Since it would look silly to attack the evil breathmint.
/

and twice as hard if it's a Certs, since it's two, two, two mints in one.

157 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Sorry, but Ed is reaching. The memo specifically states it's dealing with non-islamic threats.

Rationality and facts are being removed from the Right's lexicon, apparently.

Except for here.

158 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:24:27pm

re: #136 vxbush

Well, it's seem to be folks on both the left and the right who can fall into the trap of thinking that talking isn't enough.

Aside: we actually have a commercial on local talk radio that talks about "being mugged by a band of wild cabinet-wielding homicidal Amish maniacs" or something like that. Really rather funny.

"Hand over thy motorized buggy!"

Let me guess. You live in north-eastern Indiana (Fort Wayne area)?

159 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:24:43pm

re: #88 Charles

I think the reason for the recall of the document is that it treads on some non-PC toes.

Having read it, I can see that it does, but with due respect to the DHS, either they have to issue politically correct (but functionally worthless) reports, or learn to deal with whatever flack issuing politically incorrect (but professional and objective) ones generates.

Bluntly, protecting the country from terrorists isn't a walk through the park and it necessarily involves describing some politically incorrect activities and groups.

Again, its possible to be politically incorrect yet objective and professional, and IMO, that's what the DHS should strive for.

Unfortunately for all of us, I'm not holding my breath for the Obama DHS to suddenly depoliticize itself.

160 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:25:12pm

re: #151 CyanSnowHawk

Since it would look silly to attack the evil breathmint.
/

I hear the Supreme Court just granted a couple of Certs in cases related to this.

161 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:25:21pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

Unless you're a Ranger fan.

I thought that was hockey.

162 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:25:27pm

re: #156 redstateredneck

Consarnit!

163 kansas  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:25:51pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Sorry, but Ed is reaching. The memo specifically states it's dealing with non-islamic threats.

I went back to read it again, and you are exactly right.

164 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:25:51pm

Hey, I'm not on the list!

/I looked and looked for "gun nut"

/

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #152 Charles

I doubt many of the followers and readers on the other blogs will actually take the time to read the document in question and see the reason for the absence. They will just read what the ranters spew and follow suit.

166 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:26:23pm

re: #159 looking closely

Unfortunately for all of us, I'm not holding my breath for the Obama DHS to suddenly depoliticize itself.

Especially not with all of these people screaming at them for everything they do, and calling for resignations over innocuous reports.

167 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:26:42pm

re: #159 looking closely

Having read it, I can see that it does, but with due respect to the DHS, either they have to issue politically correct (but functionally worthless) reports, or learn to deal with whatever flack issuing politically incorrect (but professional and objective) ones generates.

Bluntly, protecting the country from terrorists isn't a walk through the park and it necessarily involves describing some politically incorrect activities and groups.

Again, its possible to be politically incorrect yet objective and professional, and IMO, that's what the DHS should strive for.

Unfortunately for all of us, I'm not holding my breath for the Obama DHS to suddenly depoliticize itself.


They're part of the gubmint...it's their job.

168 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:26:47pm

re: #162 Occasional Reader

Consarnit!

:D

169 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:26:52pm

re: #164 OldLineTexan

Hey, I'm not on the list!


/

You mean you're not a militant vegan lesbian?!

170 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:01pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

I suppose the defense is "we mean VIOLENT anti-abortion (or whatever) groups", but I agree that they should have been more clear.


What is this, amateur hour?

These are supposedly top level professionals writing gov't issue reports for national consumption.

They shouldn't be putting out stuff they can't/won't/shouldn't stand by afterwards.

171 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:13pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

You mean you're not a militant vegan lesbian?!

I gave it up for Lent.

172 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:23pm

re: #164 OldLineTexan

Hey, I'm not on the list!

/I looked and looked for "gun nut"

/

Sometimes you feel like a nut.
Sometimes you don't.

173 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:24pm

re: #154 Truck Monkey

Nationals fans are more bewildered than anything else.

There are Nationals fans...

174 kansas  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:29pm

re: #152 Charles

Yes, Sharmuta pointed that out. Sorry bout that.

175 Sharmuta  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:32pm

re: #157 FurryOldGuyJeans

Rationality and facts are being removed from the Right's lexicon, apparently.

Except for here.

Yes- fact checking seems to have gone under the bus.

176 Dan G.  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

Of course, they need to government to blame for their problems... else their problems are ... well... their fault. /serious

Why through away a perfectly good excuse? /sarc

177 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:45pm

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

It is “broad-ranging assault on wacked-out political thought.”
Fixed it

And I am all for it. "Wacked-out political thought" should be assaulted and exposed as often as possible.

178 Desert Dog  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:27:57pm

What's the deal with these memo's all the sudden? Was GWB shielding us from the awful truth? Or, Is Obama just being "Mr. Openess"? Sometimes, it's best to keep this kind of report to the people that actually have to deal with these people. How does releasing this memo (or the other one the day before the Tea Parties) help with "defending our country"? This kinda lets the kooks, nutjobs and wackos know what the Feds are up to, doesn't it?

179 Aye Pod  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:00pm

re: #152 Charles

Ed Morrisey - not the brightest tool in the Hot Air box.

180 lobo91  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:01pm

Add me to the list of people who don't see a problem with this document. Is it the greatest, most in-depth study of domestic extremist groups ever produced? Hardly, but it wasn't intended to be. It's a starting point for people who don't specialize in studying these types of groups (small town cops, for example), so they'll at least have an idea what people are talking about when they read other documents.

I still think the "right wing extremist" threat assessment of a couple weeks back was a complete and total waste of resources, however.

181 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:10pm

re: #173 tfc3rid

There are Nationals fans...

They're amongst the "single issue extremists" mentioned in the memo.

182 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:12pm
183 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:36pm

re: #174 kansas

Yes, Sharmuta pointed that out. Sorry bout that.

No offense, but it needs to be repeated again and again so the facts get out instead of the conspiracy.

184 Dan G.  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:42pm

re: #176 Dan G.

PIMF: "throw"!

185 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #153 DaddyG

Yup, we want to put a finger in this dike before it overflows. /

He's just thinking outside the box.

186 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #178 Desert Dog

What's the deal with these memo's all the sudden? Was GWB shielding us from the awful truth? Or, Is Obama just being "Mr. Openess"? Sometimes, it's best to keep this kind of report to the people that actually have to deal with these people. How does releasing this memo (or the other one the day before the Tea Parties) help with "defending our country"? This kinda lets the kooks, nutjobs and wackos know what the Feds are up to, doesn't it?

Yeah, ditch the Doc Martens and start wearing flip flops.

187 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:06pm

re: #182 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, vegan! Yes, vegan!

A German militant vegan lesbian?

188 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:17pm

re: #173 tfc3rid

There are Nationals fans...

Far better than being teased by the Orioles year after year after year after year after year...

189 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:20pm

re: #158 eschew_obfuscation

Let me guess. You live in north-eastern Indiana (Fort Wayne area)?

Nope. Central Illinois, not far from our own Amish communities.

190 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:26pm

re: #179 Jimmah

Ed Morrisey - not the brightest tool in the Hot Air box.

There you go mixing box metaphors again...

But that's a horse of a different colored story.

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:31pm

re: #176 Dan G.

Of course, they need to government to blame for their problems... else their problems are ... well... their fault. /serious

Why through away a perfectly good excuse? /sarc

I would love to be able to blame the government for all the things I have fucked up. ;)

192 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:41pm

re: #182 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, vegan! Yes, vegan!

Soy muy orgulloso de tu retruéquano*.

___
*Little-known actual Spanish word for "pun"--
dazzle your Spanish-speaking friends, even the
native speakers!

193 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:50pm
194 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:52pm

re: #186 redstateredneck

Yeah, ditch the Doc Martens and start wearing flip flops.

Then you'll get your toes broken during your next DeNiro-style stomping.

195 Desert Dog  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:29:54pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Yes- fact checking seems to have gone under the bus.

And, on the left, facts are an endangered species as well

196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:30:11pm

re: #186 redstateredneck

Yeah, ditch the Doc Martens and start wearing flip flops.

Say, where is Jorline?

197 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:30:14pm

re: #181 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They're amongst the "single issue extremists" mentioned in the memo.

I made the list?

198 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:30:35pm

re: #187 OldLineTexan

Ja, vegan! Ja, vegan!

199 Aye Pod  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:30:39pm

re: #190 eschew_obfuscation

There you go mixing box metaphors again...

But that's a horse of a different colored story.

Hey- what do you mean 'again'? You better not be trying to tar my feathers with a broad brush.

200 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:02pm

re: #185 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's just thinking outside the box.

heh!

201 Diamond Bullet  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:04pm

Still waiting on that searing DHS expose of domestic Islamic terrorism, like those guys who just got convicted of planning attacks on Fort Dix. If I plug "Muslim" or "Islam" into the DHS website I come up with incisive intelligence briefings like how to respect headcoverings or engage in outreach programs.

[Link: www.dhs.gov...]

If Obama's DHS comes up with an outreach program for right-wing "extremists" it'll probably consist primarily of IRS audits.

202 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:10pm

re: #194 OldLineTexan

Then you'll get your toes broken during your next DeNiro-style stomping.

Take that! Ouch, eek, argh!

203 Kenneth  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:25pm

re: #106 DaddyG

I see a couple of holes in your logic.

Bush fan!

204 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #146 jorline

*sniff* Astros fan.

Hey, at least they've won a championship. The Rangers have *never* won one, since 1972. I think Ron Washington will be gone after this year, unless the Rangers make it into the playoffs.

205 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:35pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Yes- fact checking seems to have gone under the bus.

The lack of such is what these idiots used to whine about the left did during the last administration, so I find it very disheartening they are doing exactly what they condemned previously.

206 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:36pm

re: #158 eschew_obfuscation

Let me guess. You live in north-eastern Indiana (Fort Wayne area)?

Say that's just west of Hicksville Ohio (I kid you not).

207 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:43pm

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Soy muy orgulloso de tu retruéquano*.

(yes, yes, of course it should be "estoy", but a little poetic license here)

208 Dan G.  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:31:53pm

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

It would take less effort, but then again... you'd still be mired in the consequential shit from said fuck ups. ;)

209 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:32:03pm

re: #187 OldLineTexan

A German militant vegan lesbian?

Ooh, watch it there. Usually wear closely cropped hair. Just the other day had to evade a couple of them. Mean looking.

210 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:32:13pm

re: #199 Jimmah

Hey- what do you mean 'again'? You better not be trying to tar my feathers with a broad brush.

I can't keep this up for long... it would require burning a dead horse at both ends.

211 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:32:18pm

re: #194 OldLineTexan

Then you'll get your toes broken during your next DeNiro-style stomping.

What is this DeNiro stomping you keep referring to? What flick?

212 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:32:40pm

re: #211 Occasional Reader

What is this DeNiro stomping you keep referring to? What flick?

Taxi Driver, right?

213 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:32:57pm
214 kansas  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:12pm

re: #183 FurryOldGuyJeans

No offense, but it needs to be repeated again and again so the facts get out instead of the conspiracy.

I honestly read that report, albeit quickly, and completely read past the non-islamic disclaimer. But you know, if I did it, you know there are others who did it, and not with any evil or crazy intentions. I read it, and thought, well hell, where's the mention of Islam. Well, dumb shit, me, its in the first paragraph.

215 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:16pm

re: #208 Dan G.

It would take less effort, but then again... you'd still be mired in the consequential shit from said fuck ups. ;)

Which is why I retain the responsibility for what happened as my doing. Not easier to cleanup, but easier to get motivated to do so. ;)

216 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:36pm

re: #193 taxfreekiller

Where is that loony Gov. of Illinois, any chance he is ghost writing these DHS things to do his penance for his transgression of making the "O" look bad.

Which loony governor? The one in jail (George "Lyin'" Ryan), the one on trial (Rod "Senate Seat" Blagojevich), or the current one (Pat "Flip Flop" Quinn)?

217 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:40pm

re: #212 Ward Cleaver

Taxi Driver, right?

Nah, he just shoots people in Taxi Driver, IIRC.

218 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:41pm

re: #210 eschew_obfuscation

I can't keep this up for long... it would require burning a dead horse at both ends.

And as we all know that there is no crying over horses that have already left Pandoras box!

219 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:43pm

re: #212 Ward Cleaver

Taxi Driver, right?

Or Goodfellas.

220 Mr. E. Train  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:45pm

A few groups that were left off the list

the Tree Liberation Front

Violent League for Sea Otter Supremacy

Dark Matter Now

the Paperboy Terrors (the Hells Angels youth auxiliary)

the Mass Transit Movement (a violent group dedicated to replacing all cars with city busses and lightrail)

the Society of Stripper Assassins

Congress...

feel free to add your own.

221 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:33:52pm

re: #214 kansas

I honestly read that report, albeit quickly, and completely read past the non-islamic disclaimer. But you know, if I did it, you know there are others who did it, and not with any evil or crazy intentions. I read it, and thought, well hell, where's the mention of Islam. Well, dumb shit, me, its in the first paragraph.

We used to have to teach people how to scan to summarize a document. Now we need to learn to read for comprehension.

222 Dan G.  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:34:13pm

re: #215 FurryOldGuyJeans

Likewise.

223 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:34:15pm

re: #211 Occasional Reader

What is this DeNiro stomping you keep referring to? What flick?

Isn't it like every movie he ever made?

/

224 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #219 redstateredneck

Or Goodfellas.

Maybe that's it. One of those kick the ribs until they cave in moments.

Not possible with flip-flops.

225 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:35:42pm

re: #220 Mr. E. Train

city busses buses
Sorry, pet peeve. They have "busses this lane" on a sign at the New Orleans Airport and I swear to God, I'm gonna take a ladder down there and fix it, too.

226 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:35:43pm

OT - Things in NORKville could turn ever weirder:

In North Korea, Ailing Kim Begins Shifting Power to Military

227 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:35:56pm

re: #214 kansas

I honestly read that report, albeit quickly, and completely read past the non-islamic disclaimer. But you know, if I did it, you know there are others who did it, and not with any evil or crazy intentions. I read it, and thought, well hell, where's the mention of Islam. Well, dumb shit, me, its in the first paragraph.

And yet I would bet good money there are others who DO read it and still ignore it. Ed probably knows quite well why no Islamic groups are mentioned but wants an excuse for a good rant against the administration.

228 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:36:17pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

We'll have to close the beaches.

We need a bigger boat.

229 Aye Pod  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #210 eschew_obfuscation

I can't keep this up for long... it would require burning a dead horse at both ends.

Yet you return to the subject like a moth in the wind.

230 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:36:55pm

re: #166 Charles

{DHS isn't going to de-politicize itself} Especially not with all of these people screaming at them for everything they do, and calling for resignations over innocuous reports.


Well, clearly those things aren't going to help, but they ought to be irrelevant.

If you work in the executive branch, you have to expect that no matter WHAT you do, some partisan minority is going to criticize you for it. So what? That's part of the job.

You listen to the criticism, decide if it has any validity, and make whatever adjustments are appropriate (if any).

Again, the nominal purpose of the Dept of Homeland security is (nominally) to protect the country from terrorism. If ever there *should* be an apoliticized agency, it should be this one.

Here we have a case where the DHS put out a report and couldn't stand by it. Why the heck not? If the report is fair and professional, they should neither retract it nor apologize. If it isn't, they shouldn't have put it out to begin with.

As to the "innocuousness" of the reports, I agree, by themselves, they are just pieces of paper. I also agree that this particular one, though not perfect, is hardly objectionable to the point where people's blood pressures should be elevated.

The significance of these reports at this stage is that they give insight into the internal priorities of the department in question.

231 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:37:00pm

re: #224 OldLineTexan

Maybe that's it. One of those kick the ribs until they cave in moments.

Not possible with flip-flops.

I think it's more Pesci who does the stomping in Goodfellas.

232 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #228 calcajun

We need a bigger boat.

See my #142.
/Beat ya to it.

233 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:37:08pm

re: #213 DaddyG

Evidence of waterboarding in the 1960s

The blond guy looks like David McCallum, as Ilya Kuryakin.

234 gregb  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:37:27pm

You "alternative media" terrorist. :-)

235 kansas  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:37:31pm

re: #221 vxbush

We used to have to teach people how to scan to summarize a document. Now we need to learn to read for comprehension.

Too late for me, at 60 my comprehension is failing, and I try to do this and 3 other things at the same time.

236 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:37:57pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

I think it's more Pesci who does the stomping in Goodfellas.


I have to close my eyes when the stomping starts.

237 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:38:19pm

re: #225 redstateredneck

city busses buses
Sorry, pet peeve. They have "busses this lane" on a sign at the New Orleans Airport and I swear to God, I'm gonna take a ladder down there and fix it, too.

I recall being taught to use the two-S variant in school. Both versions are listed as correct in the American Oxford Dictionary.

238 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:38:37pm

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

The blond guy looks like David McCallum, as Ilya Kuryakin.

Ooh, it does! I had such a crush on him.

239 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:38:44pm

re: #229 Jimmah

Yet you return to the subject like a moth in the wind.

You can lead a horse to water, but will anyone hear it?

240 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:38:49pm

OLDLINETEXAN LIED ABOUT DENIRO STOMPING

LIED LIED LIED LIED!

241 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:38:54pm

re: #227 FurryOldGuyJeans

And yet I would bet good money there are others who DO read it and still ignore it. Ed probably knows quite well why no Islamic groups are mentioned but wants an excuse for a good rant against the administration.

I'm not going there. I think once someone points out to him his oversight, he'll correct it.

242 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:38:58pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

I think it's more Pesci who does the stomping in Goodfellas.

He does the same thing in Casino.

243 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

I think it's more Pesci who does the stomping in Goodfellas.

Yeah? Well, he gets no credit.

/

244 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

I think it's more Pesci who does the stomping in Goodfellas.

"I got the white meat!"

245 see bs  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:08pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

I suppose the defense is "we mean VIOLENT anti-abortion (or whatever) groups", but I agree that they should have been more clear.

I also agree with that.

While I understand the point of the list (and agree with why it was created), my concern is that now regular folk may get lumped into the same group as the 'crazies'. For example, tea-party protesters (non-paulians) being labeled as "extremists".

Now most sane people can see and tell the difference between the two, however what about the media using this document to portray tea-party protesters or anti-illegal immigration as extremists?

There are more gullible and uninformed people who lack the critical thinking skills and this document could cast a shadow where it shouldn't.

I hate the Lefts division and grouping of individuals as classes, and hope that this document doesn't create more of the same.

Just my thought, but nothing to go bat-shit crazy over.

246 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:38pm

re: #237 vxbush

I recall being taught to use the two-S variant in school. Both versions are listed as correct in the American Oxford Dictionary.

They just do that when people can't learn how to spell correctly. That's another pet peeve!

247 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:47pm

re: #234 gregb

You "alternative media" terrorist. :-)

Who are you talking about/to? Or do you like wandering into a crowded room and carrying on a conversation with yourself?

248 debutaunt  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

OLDLINETEXAN LIED ABOUT DENIRO STOMPING

LIED LIED LIED LIED!

That's quite a wide swatch you got goin'.

249 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:39:57pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

OLDLINETEXAN LIED ABOUT DENIRO STOMPING

LIED LIED LIED LIED!

OLT LIED, THE CHICKENS CAME HOME TO ROOST!

/Jeremiah Wright having a severe acid flashback

250 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:05pm

re: #238 redstateredneck

Ooh, it does! I had such a crush on him.

My brother had one of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. model cars.

251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:11pm

re: #213 DaddyG

Evidence of waterboarding in the 1960s

I love stuff like this. Superdickery is a great site for weird mainstream comics, too.

Actually Charles should use this for the YEC threads.

252 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:28pm

re: #237 vxbush

I recall being taught to use the two-S variant in school. Both versions are listed as correct in the American Oxford Dictionary.

My first thought was that "busses" are electronic devices and "buses" are mass transit vehicles.

253 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:52pm

This reminds me of the discussion I had with a friend years ago when there was a flap over the right kind of cinematic villains. We hit on the the most PC villain youcould have:

an elderly, handicapped, blind, dyslexic, African-American lesbian who's a vegetarian. Not very intimidating, though.

254 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:40:59pm

re: #243 OldLineTexan

Yeah? Well, he gets no credit.

/

Aha!

255 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:41:13pm

re: #232 Honorary Yooper

Damn you!/

256 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:41:50pm

re: #243 OldLineTexan

Yeah? Well, he gets no credit.

/

Bah. It should be a Pesci Kick. Plus, he actually breaks a snub-nose revolver apart beating the guy with it... damn.

257 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:41:59pm

re: #239 FurryOldGuyJeans

You can lead a horse to water, but will anyone hear it?

It's too late for the chickens to roost once the cows are locked out of the barn.

258 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:42:17pm

re: #252 eschew_obfuscation

My first thought was that "busses" are electronic devices and "buses" are mass transit vehicles.

A buss is either a PDA or a sailing vessel.

259 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:42:20pm

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

My brother had one of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. model cars.

I don't remember the car. I only had eyes for Ilya.

260 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:42:43pm

re: #253 calcajun

Is said villain a robot or a telepath? Or does said villain command an army of robots or telepaths?

261 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:42:45pm

re: #256 Occasional Reader

Bah. It should be a Pesci Kick. Plus, he actually breaks a snub-nose revolver apart beating the guy with it... damn.

Pesci has no reach. DeNiro would disassemble him, with the right screenwriter.

/

262 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:42:46pm

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

My brother had one of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. model cars.

The Man from U.N.C.L.E. actually called my house when I was a kid. Some business thing he had going with my dad. I was in awe.

263 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:43:00pm

re: #257 eschew_obfuscation

It's too late for the chickens to roost once the cows are locked out of the barn.

One can short of a belfry.

264 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:43:05pm

re: #225 redstateredneck

city busses buses
Sorry, pet peeve. They have "busses this lane" on a sign at the New Orleans Airport and I swear to God, I'm gonna take a ladder down there and fix it, too.

You'll like this from the this mornings dead thread.

Accurate reproduction of note in school door in WA,
State.

ATTENTION! URGENT!
ANOUBCEMENT TO ALL STAFFS AND PARENTS OF MADRONA K-8 UNDER THE ADVISE OF HEALTH OFFICIAL,BECAUSE OF A "SUSPICIOUS'FLU CASE, THAT MAY BE SWINE FLU,SCHOOL WILL BE CLOSED 4/30 TO 5/07/09.FOR INFO PLEASE CALL #
265 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:43:27pm

Later.

266 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:05pm

re: #260 ConservatismNow!

Is said villain a robot or a telepath? Or does said villain command an army of robots or telepaths?

Good question. I dunno.

267 see bs  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:28pm

re: #264 jcm

ANOUBCEMENT

heh

268 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:30pm

Many of the dangerous groups out there don't really fall anywhere on the conventional American political spectrum anyhow. Where do anarchist groups fall on the spectrum?...Or National Socialists?...Or Alex Jones and his followers?...Or animal rights kooks?

And keep in mind that many of the Ron Paul "Libertarians" are also 9/11 conspiracy theorists, and isolationists as well.

Not to mention the openly revolutionary Marxist and Communist groups that are growing once again.

None of the ideologies fall anywhere on the normal liberal / conservative spectrum.

269 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:38pm

re: #264 jcm

AAARRRGGGHHH!

270 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:46pm

re: #264 jcm

I actually had the see the notice in the picture before I got the spelling boo-boo. And these people are the ones teaching our kids. Good god.

271 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:48pm
(U) Jewish extremism (U//FOUO) A movement of groups or individuals of the Jewish faith who are willing to use violence or commit other criminal acts to protect themselves against perceived affronts to their religious or ethnic identity.

Like the Hebrew Hammer?

A bit more seriously, I note that the DHS omitted definitions of Buddhist extremism, Zoroastrian extremism, Catholic extremism, and pretty much every other religion.

While I'm not going to call anti-Semitism here, I think statistically there are probably orders of magnitude more violent acts committed by anti-Jewish extremists than by any domestic Jewish terrorist group.

272 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:44:58pm

re: #257 eschew_obfuscation

It's too late for the chickens to roost once the cows are locked out of the barn.

Especially after the horses have already bolted.

273 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:45:21pm

re: #253 calcajun

This reminds me of the discussion I had with a friend years ago when there was a flap over the right kind of cinematic villains. We hit on the the most PC villain youcould have:

an elderly, handicapped, blind, dyslexic, African-American lesbian who's a vegetarian. Not very intimidating, though.

Until you're stuck behind them in the checkout line.

274 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:45:33pm

re: #272 calcajun

Especially after the horses have already bolted.

Never make a horse drink midstream.

275 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:46:20pm

re: #270 FurryOldGuyJeans

I actually had the see the notice in the picture before I got the spelling boo-boo. And these people are the ones teaching our kids. Good god.

Kids don't learn any spelling after elementary school now anyway. They all use spellcheck so they never have to learn it.

276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:46:21pm

re: #270 FurryOldGuyJeans

I actually had the to see the notice in the picture before I got the spelling boo-boo. And these people are the ones teaching our kids. Good god.

BLEH, I am glad I am not a school instructor any more! ;)

277 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:47:04pm

re: #273 looking closely

HAHAHAHA!

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:47:42pm

re: #273 looking closely

Until you're stuck behind them in the checkout line.

Better behind at the checkout line than behind an elephant with diarrhea. ;)

279 jcm  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:48:35pm

re: #269 redstateredneck

AAARRRGGGHHH!

Staffs? Are they beating the kids?
Advise? My advice would be to use the spell check and proof read.
I guess the WA budget is worse than I though, there is only one Health Official now down from an entire department.

280 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:48:36pm

re: #241 vxbush

Someone has and it was none other than ChenZhen on May 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM

281 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:49:18pm

Of course, I was the kid in 2nd grade who corrected the teacher when she mispronounced "mischievous". That didn't go over real well.

282 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:49:37pm

re: #279 jcm

Staffs? Are they beating the kids?
Advise? My advice would be to use the spell check and proof read.
I guess the WA budget is worse than I though, there is only one Health Official now down from an entire department.

Looks like they are just laying the groundwork for another round of school levy shakedown.

283 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:50:03pm
284 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:50:04pm

re: #271 looking closely

Like the Hebrew Hammer?

A bit more seriously, I note that the DHS omitted definitions of Buddhist extremism, Zoroastrian extremism, Catholic extremism, and pretty much every other religion.

While I'm not going to call anti-Semitism here, I think statistically there are probably orders of magnitude more violent acts committed by anti-Jewish extremists than by any domestic Jewish terrorist group.

The JDL's Irv Rubin plotted to blow up a mosque near where I live. It's not antisemitic to point this out - it's a fact.

285 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:50:22pm

re: #280 Bubblehead II

Someone has and it was none other than ChenZhen on May 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Yeah, I saw that. Funny how ChenZhen seems sane now. He's also been over at the counterfeit site, and oddly enough, defending Charles there. AtS will have none of Chen. I think they banned him.

286 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:50:34pm

re: #281 redstateredneck

Of course, I was the kid in 2nd grade who corrected the teacher when she mispronounced "mischievous". That didn't go over real well.

I had that teacher too! Irregardless, she was a good teacher.

287 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:51:16pm

re: #283 buzzsawmonkey

You had Miss Chevious for second grade?

Yes. I can remember as if it were yesterday. She was reading "Curious George" out loud and read that he was a "miss-che-vee-ous little monkey".

288 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:51:37pm

re: #285 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, I saw that. Funny how ChenZhen seems sane now. He's also been over at the counterfeit site, and oddly enough, defending Charles there. AtS will have none of Chen. I think they banned him.

Did you mean AoS?

289 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:51:52pm

re: #286 eschew_obfuscation

I had that teacher too! Irregardless, she was a good teacher.

Did she give you sher-bert for dessert after lunch?

290 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #271 looking closely

Did the other religious extremist groups you mentioned carry out acts of terrorism? That is one of the points as to who got mentioned in the released document.

291 vxbush  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:53:26pm

re: #280 Bubblehead II

Someone has and it was none other than ChenZhen on May 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Really?! How interesting. I don't see that Ed has responded yet, though. That's a shame; I hope he will soon.

292 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:54:19pm

re: #289 redstateredneck

Did she give you sher-bert for dessert after lunch?

No... WE had it for desert.

293 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:55:02pm

re: #292 eschew_obfuscation

No... WE had it for desert.

(it tended to melt quickly)

294 eon  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:55:05pm

re: #211 Occasional Reader

What is this DeNiro stomping you keep referring to? What flick?

Cruising (1980). DeNiro plays an NYPD homicide detective who goes undercover in NYC's (male) gay leather community to track a serial killer preying on same. Loosely based on an actual case in 1972. Not one of DeNiro's better films.

As for the memo, I've read ones like this over and over again, going back to the 1970s. It's a basic lexicon for defining the terms to be used in official reports to describe groups that are, or may in the future be, under investigation for criminal activities. The only major problems I can see with it are;

1. As Charles has stated, the left is going to be screaming that some of their favorite philosophies (anti-technology, etc.) are being mentioned. To Progressives; You will have no problems as long as you do not advocate or engage in violence. Period. Dot. The same holds true for their mirror images on the right. Everyone has a right to make a fool of themselves in public, as long as they remember the old saying, "Your rights end where the other guy's nose begins".

2. I did spot one typo. It's Adolf Hitler, not "Adolph". "f" at the end, not "ph".

cheers

eon

295 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:55:12pm

re: #288 callahan23

Did you mean AoS?

No, I meant AtS. It's home to Rayra and Ed Mahmoud.

296 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:55:18pm

re: #286 eschew_obfuscation

I had that teacher too! Irregardless, she was a good teacher.

It's a good OR left.

297 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:55:42pm

Oh no, not another DHS memo...the last one (right-wing) almost got me banned. Now I should not read Hot Air (Ed)? Great Mr. Johnson, u have got my Favorite list down to like 3 web sites. No Fox News, no Levin, no Rush, no Hann, no Judge, no Glenn Beck, no crazy neo Nazis, pretty much any Texas school board stories or politics, now no captain quarters? Ur killing me Charles!

// ;-)

298 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:56:07pm

re: #293 eschew_obfuscation

(it tended to melt quickly)

If you eat to much you mite through up.

299 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:57:01pm

re: #296 UFO TOFU

It's a good OR left.

I do that just for him ;~)

300 tfc3rid  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:57:16pm

re: #291 vxbush

Really?! How interesting. I don't see that Ed has responded yet, though. That's a shame; I hope he will soon.

Actually, NO ONE has responded yet...

301 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:57:18pm

re: #270 FurryOldGuyJeans

I actually had the see the notice in the picture before I got the spelling boo-boo. And these people are the ones teaching our kids. Good god.

Technically this was written by the person dispensing Ritalin during lunch hour.

302 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:57:43pm

re: #299 eschew_obfuscation

So do I, but I don't think he realizes it.

303 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:58:09pm

re: #294 eon

2. I did spot one typo. It's Adolf Hitler, not "Adolph". "f" at the end, not "ph".

A nit pick. The "f" and the "ph" are virtually interchangable. Not just for Adolph/Adolf, but also for sulphur/sulfur, and a few other words.

304 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:58:41pm

re: #302 UFO TOFU

So do I, but I don't think he realizes it.

Irregardless, whomever of you does it, it really irks him.

305 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:59:33pm
306 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 1:59:50pm

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

A nit pick. The "f" and the "ph" are virtually interchangable. Not just for Adolph/Adolf, but also for sulphur/sulfur, and a few other words.

phasinating and phun phact

307 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:00:05pm

re: #304 redstateredneck

Irregardless, whomever of you does it, it really irks him.

(o.k. I'll fess up ... I've never figured out how to use who and whom correctly)

308 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:00:21pm

re: #306 DaddyG

phasinating and phun phact

phree, too.

309 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:00:57pm

re: #308 redstateredneck

phree, too.

phreaquey dood!

310 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:01:45pm

re: #309 eschew_obfuscation

phreaquey dood!

phuckin' ay.
/apologies to MM

311 eon  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:02:03pm

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

A nit pick. The "f" and the "ph" are virtually interchangable. Not just for Adolph/Adolf, but also for sulphur/sulfur, and a few other words.

Actually, I don't consider it major, either, but unlike the /// for sarcasm I don't know any shorthand symbol for "tongue in cheek".

cheers

eon

312 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:02:23pm

re: #291 vxbush

We shall see. I have that site up in another window and am doing random updates to keep up with the comments and any corrections.

313 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:02:26pm

re: #310 redstateredneck

phuckin' ay.
/apologies to MM

All is phorgiven

314 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:02:33pm

re: #309 eschew_obfuscation

phreaquey dood!

'phess up, y'all are tryin' to drive me outa here, ain't ya? ;)

315 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:02:48pm

re: #297 ~BfromTX

Oh no, not another DHS memo...the last one (right-wing) almost got me banned. Now I should not read Hot Air (Ed)? Great Mr. Johnson, u have got my Favorite list down to like 3 web sites. No Fox News, no Levin, no Rush, no Hann, no Judge, no Glenn Beck, no crazy neo Nazis, pretty much any Texas school board stories or politics, now no captain quarters? Ur killing me Charles!

// ;-)

Excuse me for criticizing someone when they're wrong. If you decide you shouldn't read Hot Air -- it's your choice. I never told you to do that. But you also have the freedom to completely over-react to everything, and you're obviously experienced at that.

316 see bs  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

A nit pick. The "f" and the "ph" are virtually interchangable. Not just for Adolph/Adolf, but also for sulphur/sulfur, and a few other words.

Phuck Hitler

317 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:03:20pm

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

'phess up, y'all are tryin' to drive me outa here, ain't ya? ;)

Don't phreak phurry we're just phunnin.

318 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #311 eon

ooh, let's make one.

p)

nah; nobody'd understand it

319 calcajun  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #273 looking closely

Until you're stuck behind them in the checkout line.

They can't eat that much. Really, how much arugula would they go through.

320 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:03:51pm

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

'phess up, y'all are tryin' to drive me outa here, ain't ya? ;)


That's "all y'all"...dood!

321 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:04:15pm

re: #314 FurryOldGuyJeans

'phess up, y'all are tryin' to drive me outa here, ain't ya? ;)

{phurry}, never!

322 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:04:59pm

re: #284 Charles

The JDL's Irv Rubin plotted to blow up a mosque near where I live. It's not antisemitic to point this out - it's a fact.


Not at all. I don't doubt that these people exist, and as such its fair to mention them in a report like this.

IIRC Rubin and his associate were given rather harsh sentences (deservedly, IMO), and both died in prison.

Its just a question of priority. How many Irv Rubins are out there? Empirically, probably not too many, compared to the number of violent Jew-haters.

The point is, if you look at the list, its fairly non-inclusive, so the Jewish extremist reference just stands out a bit.

For example, there is a category called "single issue extremism" (into which you probably could fairly fit "Jewish extremism"). There are absent explicit categories of anti-semitic extremism, domestic Islamist extremism, and anti-abortion extremism.

323 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:05:21pm

re: #320 eschew_obfuscation

Plural possessive, dood.

324 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:05:33pm

re: #317 DaddyG

Don't phreak phurry we're just phunnin.

SMTA!

325 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #315 Charles

I think it was some sarcasm. But I have been mistaken before.

326 eon  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #318 redstateredneck

ooh, let's make one.

p)

nah; nobody'd understand it

:-P is a raspberry, right?

Or is it ;-P?

/Seriously, online shorthand is not my strong suit. ;-)

cheers :-)

eon

327 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:06:09pm

re: #305 taxfreekiller

Hey there TFK, It's raining pretty good in Sac right now too. Sort of a gloomy day. One good thing did happen for turn today, the CEO of the parent company got canned! That guy racked up 40 mil on a bad acquisition and they had to dump at one half what they paid after loosing to the tune of 10mil annually for five years. Don't let the door hit ya Big C.

328 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:06:27pm

re: #324 redstateredneck

SMTA!

PMTA is more like it, you bunch of phlorid deviants. ;)

329 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:07:20pm

re: #315 Charles

// ;-) ?

good lord! maybe it time to take an afternoon nap, Mr. Johnson?

330 BignJames  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:07:31pm

Marilyn Chambers died last week...I didn't know that.

331 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:07:40pm

re: #328 FurryOldGuyJeans

PMTA is more like it, you bunch of phlorid deviants. ;)

I am a standard deviant.

332 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:07:44pm

re: #325 FurryOldGuyJeans

I think it was some sarcasm. But I have been mistaken before.

He had double "//" /sarc tags at the end of the comment with a smiley face. I took it as major sarcasm and mockery of those who make such comments seriously and moved on.

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:07:50pm

re: #327 turn

Hey there TFK, It's raining pretty good in Sac right now too. Sort of a gloomy day. One good thing did happen for turn today, the CEO of the parent company got canned! That guy racked up 40 mil on a bad acquisition and they had to dump at one half what they paid after loosing to the tune of 10mil annually for five years. Don't let the door hit ya Big C.

We finally get a day of mostly sun here in the Great NorthWet and you want to jinx it. ;)

334 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:08:31pm

re: #330 BignJames

Marilyn Chambers died last week...I didn't know that.

How deep did they bury her?
/

335 looking closely  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:04pm

re: #290 FurryOldGuyJeans

Did the other religious extremist groups you mentioned carry out acts of terrorism? That is one of the points as to who got mentioned in the released document.


Zotoastrians and Buddhists, not to my knowledge (and obviously, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there).

But isn't domestic Islamist terrorism a threat? The FBI thinks so (and has said so in similar reports in the past).

336 Mad Mullah  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:05pm

I would like to see their report on Islamic extremism. I would also like to see their profile of an Islamic extremist, including what kind of shoes and clothes they wear, and what kind of haircuts and facial hair that they might have and other tell tale signs that they may share, including symbols and literature that are popular in those circles.

337 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #334 turn

How deep did they bury her?
/

Not deep, just behind the green door.

338 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #315 Charles

I think it's some major sarcasm. He has the "//" tags at the end of the comment. Methinks he's mocking those who make serious comments like that.

339 Mr. E. Train  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #252 eschew_obfuscation

Sorry. At work and didn't check my... well, work. I Shouldn't work and post

340 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #334 turn

How deep did they bury her?
/

I think she's in a mausoleum behind a green door.

341 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:58pm

re: #325 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bad attempt on my part I guess.

342 redstateredneck  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:09:59pm

Gotta go do some work.
Later, lizards...
no phoolin' around while I'm gone!

343 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:10:07pm

re: #337 redstateredneck

Not deep, just behind the green door.

Got me by 11 seconds!

344 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:10:19pm
(U) anti-immigration
extremism
A movement of groups or individuals who are
vehemently opposed to illegal immigration, particularly along
the U.S. southwest border with Mexico, and who have been
known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts
of violence and terrorism to advance their extremist goals.
They are highly critical of the U.S. Government’s response to
illegal immigration and oppose government programs that are
designed to extend “rights” to illegal aliens, such as issuing
driver’s licenses or national identification cards and providing
in-state tuition, medical benefits, or public education.

This definition of "anti-immigration extremism" does not include extremists who are opposed to legal immigration.
WTF?

345 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:10:37pm

re: #335 looking closely

Zotoastrians and Buddhists, not to my knowledge (and obviously, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there).

But isn't domestic Islamist terrorism a threat? The FBI thinks so (and has said so in similar reports in the past).

The document specifically said OTHER THAN ISLAMIC groups right in the first paragraph. Too many people are ignoring that very simple and clear fact.

346 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:10:41pm
347 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:10:48pm

re: #340 eschew_obfuscation

I think she's in a mausoleum behind a green door.

You guys ought to have your mouths washed out with Ivory Soap

348 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:11:07pm

re: #334 turn

How deep did they bury her?
/

*THUMP*

349 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:11:18pm
350 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:11:36pm

re: #343 eschew_obfuscation

Got me by 11 seconds!

Missed it by *that* much, eh? ;)

351 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:11:37pm

re: #330 BignJames

Marilyn Chambers died last week...I didn't know that.

It was such a blow.

352 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:11:38pm

re: #334 turn

How deep did they bury her?
/

Deep, down a throat.

353 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:25pm

re: #349 taxfreekiller

got one bud out near Guthrie Tx,
near the 6666 Ranch, he says
it has been raining like a cow pissing
on a flat rock at his place now for 1 hr

not good for that area, it is flat
no where for the water to go

Wait - spring flowers coming soon. :D

354 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:38pm

re: #333 FurryOldGuyJeans

We finally get a day of mostly sun here in the Great NorthWet and you want to jinx it. ;)

Ha furry, we can use the rain for sure. However Folsom is pretty full and the American is higher than I've seen it in years so I think we are in pretty good shape.

355 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:46pm

With the possible exception of FEMA's mishandling of Hurricane Katrina, this is the first time anyone, and I mean anyone, has been excited about anything that happens over at DHS!

This agency was the product of Lieberman's fertile brain. The Democrats wanted to add another layer of bureaucracy to the existing layers of failed national security bureaucracy. And to ice the cake, they wanted it unionized, remember? So they cobbled this monstrosity together, and it's performed poorly ever since.

Give Homeland Security back to the FBI. They may be no better, but they couldn't be worse.

356 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:48pm

Where is Mandy - I figured she would be handing out *whacks* on this thread left and right? Probably wore her out with the Lesbian puns.

357 rawmuse  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:50pm

Could be worse, you could be on a deck of cards.

358 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:50pm

I don't believe it - a porn star pun thread.

359 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #237 vxbush

I recall being taught to use the two-S variant in school. Both versions are listed as correct in the American Oxford Dictionary.

I'm for "busses". I've never understood why anyone would want to ride the byoo-ses.

Also, I refuse to write "mic" for "microphone". Or rather to pronounce it "mike". A "mic" is an ethnic slur for an Irish person.

360 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:13:18pm

Happy May Day!

361 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:13:31pm

re: #344 Spare O'Lake

This definition of "anti-immigration extremism" does not include extremists who are opposed to legal immigration.
WTF?

The founders of the Minutemen have appeared several times on neo-Nazi radio show "The Political Cesspool." Could it be that the DHS is referring to people like them?

(Ya think?)

362 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:13:39pm

re: #350 FurryOldGuyJeans

Missed it by *that* much, eh? ;)

Hey! You startled me. What're you doing in that tree stump any way?

363 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:13:40pm

re: #354 turn

Ha furry, we can use the rain for sure. However Folsom is pretty full and the American is higher than I've seen it in years so I think we are in pretty good shape.

Please do keep the rain down there, we need a few days of sun for all the mold and mildew to dry a tad here.

364 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:14:10pm

I don't find the content questionable.

What does not seem clear to me, and this really has to do with how information is released, is about the 2 documents in general.

There could be a very good explanation for it, I don't know.

There are separate identifiers on each memorandum.

The original memo, supposedly citing just the rightwing being identified is labeled with IA-0233-09, dated 7 April 2009.

The second memo, noted in this thread is labeled with IA-0233-09, dated 26 March 2009.

Albeit, they are prepared by 2 different analytic thrusts out of 5 under the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, when I searched on their website, I do not recognize anything pertaining to this in the Press releases as such.

The 2 thrusts concerned here are the Strategic Analysis Group and the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division, & the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division. Coordinated with the FBI.

I don't have a problem with the content. As an outsider looking in, it does make me at least question who is releasing this information, how it is being dispersed, and why recall something after only 5 minutes?

Seriously?

365 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #358 Cattt

I don't believe it - a porn star pun thread.

A deceased porn star pun thread.

366 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:14:34pm

re: #363 FurryOldGuyJeans

Please do keep the rain down there, we need a few days of sun for all the mold and mildew to dry a tad here.

On the other hand, rain weights down all the pollen a bit.

367 american sabra  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:14:39pm

I thought anti-Castro groups were good things?

368 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:14:56pm

Ohaio-gozai-masu...
Body clock totally whacked...MSG overdose from noodle store dinner last night...very slow internet connection...CNN my only link to western news...DHS report backlash thread on LGF...time to go find breakfast...

369 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #362 eschew_obfuscation

Hey! You startled me. What're you doing in that tree stump any way?

*AHEM* I am NOT Agent Larabie! ;)

370 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #365 callahan23

A deceased porn star pun thread.

I ignored that part so as not to speak ill of the dead. Not that I'm superstitious or anything...

371 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:15:57pm

re: #363 FurryOldGuyJeans

oh gawd, it's bad enough for me with the pollen down here. Couldn't hack the mold and mildew.

372 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:01pm

re: #366 Cattt

On the other hand, rain weights down all the pollen a bit.

Not here it don't, it just makes it act like cement mix. :%P%

373 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #361 Charles

The founders of the Minutemen have appeared several times on neo-Nazi radio show "The Political Cesspool." Could it be that the DHS is referring to people like them?

(Ya think?)

I see Chris Simcox was a guest on that show.

374 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:16pm

re: #368 IslandLibertarian

Ohaio-gozai-masu...
Body clock totally whacked...MSG overdose from noodle store dinner last night...very slow internet connection...CNN my only link to western news...DHS report backlash thread on LGF...time to go find breakfast...

Happy May Day!

375 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:19pm
376 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:28pm

re: #88 Charles

I think the reason for the recall of the document is that it treads on some non-PC toes.

I'm confused. Were the toes PC, and it was un-PC to step on them, or were the toes un-PC, and it was PC to step on them?

Head spinning, too many contradictions.

377 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:38pm
378 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:53pm

re: #372 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not here it don't, it just makes it act like cement mix. :%P%

It paints my blue truck with yellow stripes. I keep an old shirt in my truck to swab off the windows.

379 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:16:56pm

re: #371 turn

oh gawd, it's bad enough for me with the pollen down here. Couldn't hack the mold and mildew.

Got all three here. My black '94 Chevy Baretta Z-26 is yellow.

380 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #361 Charles

The founders of the Minutemen have appeared several times on neo-Nazi radio show "The Political Cesspool." Could it be that the DHS is referring to people like them?

(Ya think?)

Although it pisses me off when government (both D & R) refer to anyone who complains about amnesty as being anti-immigration, not anti-ILLEGAL-immigration. It's a stark distinction that our political class refuses to recognize.

381 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:07pm

re: #364 formercorpsman

More bungling. Bring back Tom Ridge! At least he was good for a chuckle!

382 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:08pm

re: #367 american sabra

I thought anti-Castro groups were good things?

That is so last year. The new administartion has other priorities.

383 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:21pm

re: #370 Cattt

I ignored that part so as not to speak ill of the dead. Not that I'm superstitious or anything...

I meant the same as you. :%P%

384 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:42pm

re: #366 Cattt

On the other hand, rain weights down all the pollen a bit.

Exactly, things need a wash down. My eyes were itching like crazy the other day when it was windy, stuff blowing around.

385 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:47pm

re: #365 callahan23

A deceased porn star pun thread.

Posthumous Popular Pr0n Pun Punditry

386 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:17:49pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

I'm confused. Were the toes PC, and it was un-PC to step on them, or were the toes un-PC, and it was PC to step on them?

Head spinning, too many contradictions.

Both.

387 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:18:36pm

re: #368 IslandLibertarian

Where are you Island?

388 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:19:24pm

Marilyn was a decent actress until she turned to porn. Once she traveled down that primrose path, the mainstream industry never let her back.

389 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:19:39pm

re: #383 callahan23

I meant the same as you. :%P%

Almost no one says the four-letter d word here. It's deceased, passed, passed away, passed over, etc. The only time I use it, I think, is in giving date-of-death valuations, as date-of-demise sounds idiotic. :D

390 Mad Mullah  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:19:59pm

Isn't it a bit disrespectful to be making fun of a dead porn star? Pornstars aren't necessarily bad people. I remember that people were warned not to make fun of Kennedy recently, double standard?

391 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #388 quickjustice

Marilyn was a decent actress until she turned to porn. Once she traveled down that primrose path, the mainstream industry never let her back.

Sadly that seems to be a quick path to mainstream acting nowadays.

392 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:20:46pm

re: #379 FurryOldGuyJeans

Got all three here. My black '94 Chevy Baretta Z-26 is yellow.

Pine pollen doesn't seem to bother me too much, it's Walnut and Olive trees for turn. furry, I don't recall exactly where you are ...

393 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #358 Cattt

I don't believe it - a porn star pun thread.

All I have to say is...

Welcome to the Friday Afternoon Drinking Thread.

394 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:21:25pm

re: #390 Mad Mullah

Isn't it a bit disrespectful to be making fun of a dead porn star? Pornstars aren't necessarily bad people. I remember that people were warned not to make fun of Kennedy recently, double standard?

Yes it is. But then again why save all of my disrespectful humor for the living?

395 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:21:52pm

BB in 15

396 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:22:09pm

re: #373 Gus 802

I see Chris Simcox was a guest on that show.

So was Jim Gilchrist.

397 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:22:09pm

re: #388 quickjustice

Marilyn was a decent actress until she turned to porn. Once she traveled down that primrose path, the mainstream industry never let her back.

Porn flicks actually had plots then. There were interesting themes. Now, the themes usually center around a body part or a location.

"fill in the body part" in "fill in the location"
"fill in the body part" in "fill in the location two!"

Example: Butts in Paris!

398 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:22:21pm

re: #374 Cattt

May 2nd here...left the commies on the other side of the date line...but CNN is on the story...WORKERS of the WORLD, UNITE!...

/power to the correct people!

399 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:22:42pm

re: #397 Cattt

Porn flicks actually had plots then. There were interesting themes. Now, the themes usually center around a body part or a location.

"fill in the body part" in "fill in the location"
"fill in the body part" in "fill in the location two!"

Example: Butts in Paris!

Or Paris in Butte?

400 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:03pm

re: #389 Cattt

Almost no one says the four-letter d word here. It's deceased, passed, passed away, passed over, etc. The only time I use it, I think, is in giving date-of-death valuations, as date-of-demise sounds idiotic. :D

Death in our post-industrial societies has almost become a taboo. Which is why there are so many other words and synonyms being used.

401 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #380 Russkilitlover

Although it pisses me off when government (both D & R) refer to anyone who complains about amnesty as being anti-immigration, not anti-ILLEGAL-immigration. It's a stark distinction that our political class refuses to recognize.

Anybody who refuses to welcome legal immigrants is mean spirited & misses one of the virtues of this nation.
However that is hell & gone from illegal immigration.
The political class tries to lump the two together in order to make opponents of illegal immigration out to be xenophobes. It is disingenuous & dishonest.

402 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:11pm
This product provides definitions for key terms and phrases that often appear in DHS analysis that addresses the nature and scope of the threat that domestic, non-Islamic extremism poses to the United States.

I'm not bothered by these reports, but it begs the question: If it's a "domestic extremism survey report," make it a full, domestic survey. Why leave any group out that is "domestic" and "extreme."

What does bother me is that this report seems 'dumb' because of its incompleteness and the DHS needs to cut down on looking 'dumb' these days - for our own sakes.

403 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:15pm

re: #390 Mad Mullah

"De mortuis nihil sed bono", guys! That rule has been broken by the left more times than I can remember, starting with Kos's derision for the U.S. contractors murdered in Iraq.

Which reminds me-- you've stopped tracking Kos, Charles. Is that due to weariness, or to his diminished stature within the blogosphere?

404 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:27pm

I'm currently being smothered by chestnut pollen.

405 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:32pm

re: #399 DaddyG

Or Paris in Butte?

One night in Paris in Butte?

406 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:40pm

re: #377 taxfreekiller

bet this guy is on the DHS radar

[Link: www.wardenburnsmexicanflags.com...]

Yes.

That site is run by Roy Warden:

DOB: 08/08/1947

Case Number: M-1041-CR-7055909
Offense Type: Disorderly Conduct
Offense Code:
Offense Description: DISORDERLY CONDUCT
Date Reported: 06/18/2007
Disposition: COURT DISMISSAL
Disposition Date: 09/13/2007

Bv CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2
Offense Date:
Case Number: M-1041-CR-7030208
Offense Type: Disorderly Conduct
Offense Code:
Offense Description: DISORDERLY CONDUCT
Date Reported: 03/31/2007

Bv CRIMINAL OFFENSE 3
Offense Date:
Case Number: M-1041-CR-84064
Offense Type: Disorderly Conduct
Offense Code:
Offense Description: DISORDERLY CONDUCT
Date Reported: 10/06/2000
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 12/05/2001

And much more.

407 eon  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:40pm

re: #364 formercorpsman

I don't find the content questionable.

What does not seem clear to me, and this really has to do with how information is released, is about the 2 documents in general.

(snip)

I don't have a problem with the content. As an outsider looking in, it does make me at least question who is releasing this information, how it is being dispersed, and why recall something after only 5 minutes?

Seriously?


My best guess is, they have a leak. Here defined as either;

1. Someone on the dissemination list with insecure links. That is, they're computer has been hacked, and they don't know it.

2. The documents were deliberately released outside of their intended channels by someone in those channels who is attempting to embarrass DHS. Either due to a fundamental disagreement with their objectives, methods, or "agenda" (if they actually have one in the political sense), in the hopes of getting someone they have a personal animus toward in trouble, or as part of the leaker's personal agenda, which could be either or both of the above and/or a desire to have someone above them in the pecking order removed to augment their own chances for advancement within the Department.

In short, I smell bureaucratic game playing here. It happens all the time, unfortunately.

/Every bureaucracy has its share of people who are more of a hindrance than a help.

cheers

eon

408 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:23:42pm

re: #398 IslandLibertarian

May 2nd here...left the commies on the other side of the date line...but CNN is on the story...WORKERS of the WORLD, UNITE!...

/power to the correct people!

Poo on the commies.

409 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:24:09pm

re: #405 Honorary Yooper

One night in Paris in Butte?


It happened one night in Paris in Butte

410 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:25:07pm

re: #409 DaddyG

It happened one night in Paris in Butte

Boobs in Budapest!

411 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:25:54pm

re: #409 DaddyG

It happened one night in Paris in Butte

[This could be much fun.]

An Evening in Paris and Madison

412 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #405 Honorary Yooper

Didn't one of Hilton's boyfriends make a porn flick entitled "One Night In Paris?" with the secret film he shot of the two of them?

413 thatemailname  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:25:56pm

Putting aside the contents of the memo a moment, since I haven't read it yet, my question is this: what in the hell is going on at the DHS? Releasing reports that they have to apologize for, then releasing memos that get retracted within "minutes" of releasing them?

Does anybody believe this department could be at all competent in achieving "homeland security"?

It's time to shift the debate to whether this dept. should be shut down.

414 eon  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:26:18pm

re: #407 eon

"Their", not "they're".

PIMF, but I missed it anyway.

cheers

eon

415 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #361 Charles

The founders of the Minutemen have appeared several times on neo-Nazi radio show "The Political Cesspool." Could it be that the DHS is referring to people like them?

(Ya think?)

Is it obtuse to give the DHS language its plain meaning?
I think definitions are important.
I think that the DHS definition of "anti-immigration extremism" is too narrow in that it is restricted to opponents of illegal immigration and does not include opponents of legal immigration.
I wonder why - is it a simple oversight or is it a manifestation of political tunnel vision?

416 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:26:51pm

re: #411 Honorary Yooper

[This could be much fun.]

An Evening in Paris and Madison

"One night in Bangcock"?

417 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:26:59pm

re: #411 Honorary Yooper

[This could be much fun.]

An Evening in Paris and Madison

Billy Madison in Paris for an evening

418 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:27:06pm

re: #412 quickjustice

Didn't one of Hilton's boyfriends make a porn flick entitled "One Night In Paris?" with the secret film he shot of the two of them?

Yes. Where do you think I got the idea for that mock title from?

419 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:27:15pm

It's May Day, all right. Formerly the day for dancing around the Maypole. Now the day for the Socialist Internationale to march and to party. St. Patty's Day for commies!

420 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #416 eschew_obfuscation

"One night in Bangcock"?

Danny does Dallas

421 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:27:54pm

With my usual impeccable timing, I figure I'll go shopping pretty soon, when half of Pikesville rushes to the store to get done before sunset.

422 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #411 Honorary Yooper

[This could be much fun.]

An Evening in Paris and Madison

Miniskirts in Madison!

423 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:28:29pm
424 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:28:47pm

re: #419 quickjustice

It's May Day, all right. Formerly the day for dancing around the Maypole. Now the day for the Socialist Internationale to march and to party. St. Patty's Day for commies!

There is an immigration rights rally in Chicago today.
I think that they should have chosen another day.

425 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:28:48pm

re: #397 Cattt

Porn flicks actually had plots then. There were interesting themes. Now, the themes usually center around a body part or a location.

"fill in the body part" in "fill in the location"
"fill in the body part" in "fill in the location two!"

Example: Butts in Paris!

There are the inevitable movie takes-offs the porn industry seems to love, such as The Porne Ultimatum.

426 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:28:49pm

re: #387 turn

Shinjuku, Japan with the worst internet connection...(you'd think in such a high tech country there would be no problem connecting)...off to Ueno soon for business...next week, Kyoto for a culture overdose...and then onsen...

427 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:29:20pm

re: #410 Cattt

Dongs in Dearborn
/oh gawd this thread could go south in a hurry if buzz and OR get started

428 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:29:31pm

re: #375 buzzsawmonkey

A "buss" is a kiss.

And an Irish slur is a "mick." I've never seen the slur spelled without the "k."

I can understand why people might begin writing "mike" for "microphone" as "mic," but it's of relatively recent vintage; ten or fifteen years ago it was routinely written as "mike."

The Irish slur part was a joke on the (mis)pronunciation of the word as spelled, not an orthography lesson! ;^)

According to the (old, apparently discarded) rules of English pronunciation, a consonant is doubled in inflected forms when to omit it would cause the preceding vowel to be mispronounced. To wit, "wit": someone with lots is "quick-witted", not "wited". Same, for that matter, with "omit": you would do a double-take if someone "omited" the second T.

Hence, bus, busses. "Buses" must be a dialect form for what that spelling does to the English language, as in "there he goes 'busing the orthography agin". People who use it are 'busers, and ought to be locked up for 'buse.

429 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:30:07pm

re: #407 eon

That is my thinking as well. But I am trying to read through the daily beast's article a second time again.

Their wording of the acquisition was making me think they pursued it more than someone leaking the information.

If that is the case, why pursue something you did not know existed? I could be reading it totally wrong.

430 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:30:38pm

re: #424 opnion

There is an immigration rights rally in Chicago today.
I think that they should have chosen another day.

Too close to the truth?

/

431 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:31:23pm

re: #418 Honorary Yooper

That sailed a mile above my head, but deserves: [Wild applause]

432 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:31:35pm

re: #425 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are the inevitable movie takes-offs the porn industry seems to love, such as The Porne Ultimatum.

Shaving Ryan's Privates

/Family Guy, IIRC

433 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #422 Cattt

Miniskirts in Madison!

Where in Carmen San Diego is Cali?

434 turn  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:31:44pm

re: #426 IslandLibertarian

kewl, have a Sake for turn. Everybody have a great weekend, time to go walk the lab along the American (in the rain - yea)

435 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:31:59pm

re: #425 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are the inevitable movie takes-offs the porn industry seems to love, such as The Porne Ultimatum.

Not the same, though. They don't really actually have a plot.

For example, The Devil in Miss Jones had a PLOT .The ending was pretty damn scary, too. How many porn flicks today start with a bathtub suicide and end with a cell in hell?

436 DaddyG  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:32:04pm

re: #425 FurryOldGuyJeans Films not to accidently rent for the kids: Booty and the Beast, The Princess Tied, and most anything with Barbie in the title that isn't produced by Mattel.

437 shortshrift  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:32:12pm

re:#33,#138,#147
Why produce a "lexicon" of extremist groups? Presumably it is to define terms so that everyone in the agency (and outside it, if it is deliberately leaked) knows what they are talking about. As definitions, these entries are poorly constructed and inconsistent. There is a confusion between extremists that qualify as such because they use violent means and those those that have violent ends. The anti-illegal immigration section does have a violence requirement, but the ends themselves are stated to be "extremist". To curb illegal immigration is not an extremist end . To be prepared to be violent to achieve that turns a law-respecting nationalist into an extremist.
If it is a "lexicon", why are the names of known groups that have shown violence in furtherance of their ideologies listed? Obviously, the DHS coyness is due to sensitivity at the political outcry about targeting - the very outcry they are receiving anyway.
Does "Islam/ism" have a separate lexicon? I should like to see it. The very fact that this memo deliberately excludes it is interesting.
Writing this sort of memo, and the report, is a waste of time, and precisely not what the DHS should be doing. I would be happier knowing that the DHS had a working principle that any ideological group can turn nasty and was (quietly, there are first amendment issues at stake) watching out for violence committed in its name. Terminological inexactitude is fine for practical purposes. Once written down, it is foolish, and unwittingly reveals the potential for political bias/naivete/ignorance. Let them write reports when they find/prevent extremist crimes.
Some feel that the DHS is on the way to becoming the STASI. Memos like this reinforce that perception

438 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:32:16pm

re: #374 Cattt

Happy May Day!

More importantly, Happy Obama's 101st Day in Office Day! Woo Hoo!

/

439 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:32:28pm

re: #433 Honorary Yooper

Where in Carmen San Diego is Cali?

WHO is in Carmen San Diego in Cali. :D

440 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:32:40pm

re: #428 Cato the Elder

In typical American fashion we shorted the proper King's English word omnibus to its current form when referring to public transportation vehicles.

441 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:33:07pm

re: #430 OldLineTexan

Too close to the truth?

/

It is just bad symbolism. The report was a small turnout due to fear of exposure to Swine Flu.

442 KenJen  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:33:24pm

re: #385 DaddyG

Posthumous Popular Pr0n Pun Punditry

re: #425 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are the inevitable movie takes-offs the porn industry seems to love, such as The Porne Ultimatum.

Star Trek: The Next Penetration.

443 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:33:29pm

re: #440 FurryOldGuyJeans

In typical American fashion we shorted the proper King's English word omnibus to its current form when referring to public transportation vehicles.

"Obama threw XXX under the omnibus" just doesn't have zip.

/

444 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:33:44pm

re: #329 ~BfromTX

Looks like its nap time for a few others as well...LOL on the down dings.

445 Catttt  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:34:41pm

re: #439 Cattt

WHO is in Carmen San Diego in Cali. :D

This thread could be entirely a Carmen San Diego pun thread.

446 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:34:58pm

re: #441 opnion

It is just bad symbolism. The report was a small turnout due to fear of exposure to Swine Flu.

Swine Flu has been retitled "H1N1" by the PC Flu Name Patrol.

I received an e-mail today regarding company actions taken in preparation for a potential outbreak of the Flu Formerly Known As Swine.

447 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:34:59pm

re: #437 shortshrift

You just love to trot out conspiracy crapola when the document itself says why things were left out. Try actually READING the thing instead of spewing talking points from other blogs.

448 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:35:28pm

re: #444 ~BfromTX

You sucked 'em all in all right! ;-)

449 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:36:46pm

re: #444 ~BfromTX

Looks like its nap time for a few others as well...LOL on the down dings.

You rookie..You come here with what? 60 comments and you act like a little smart ass to our host..I'm wide awake..you wanna play?

450 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:37:03pm

As a work product, the document is a piece of crap. Frothing at the mouth over it seems excessive, however. Save your froth for something more substantive.

451 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:37:13pm

re: #446 OldLineTexan

Swine Flu has been retitled "H1N1" by the PC Flu Name Patrol.

I received an e-mail today regarding company actions taken in preparation for a potential outbreak of the Flu Formerly Known As Swine.

How long before it is referred to as the Bush/Cheney flu?
Think about it, Bush had eight years to anticipate this outbreak & yet did nothing about it. sarc

452 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:37:17pm

time to get going here...green tea first...keep telling the TRUTH Charles.

jamata...

453 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:37:56pm

re: #451 opnion

How long before it is referred to as the Bush/Cheney flu?
Think about it, Bush had eight years to anticipate this outbreak & yet did nothing about it. sarc

"Bush Flu" has LOTS of interesting potential.

/

454 eon  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:38:09pm

re: #429 formercorpsman

That is my thinking as well. But I am trying to read through the daily beast's article a second time again.

Their wording of the acquisition was making me think they pursued it more than someone leaking the information.

If that is the case, why pursue something you did not know existed? I could be reading it totally wrong.

I don't think you are. To hunt down a specific type of document, we both know you first have to assume it exists (Bureaucracy 101). Unless the Beast just automatically assumes that DHS has a de facto "enemies list", and was looking for evidence to suport their preconceived notion.

/I refer to it as "UFOlogist logic"- "I know the CIA has secret UFO files, and I'm going to find them!" Also known by the acronym NIGYSOB, for "Now I've Got You, (You) Son Of a B***h".

cheers

eon

455 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:38:26pm

re: #449 HoosierHoops

your serve.

456 DEZes  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:38:27pm

re: #449 HoosierHoops

You rookie..You come here with what? 60 comments and you act like a little smart ass to our host..I'm wide awake..you wanna play?

I have beer and snacks! ;)

457 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:39:18pm
458 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:39:28pm

re: #446 OldLineTexan

Swine Flu has been retitled "H1N1" by the PC Flu Name Patrol.

I received an e-mail today regarding company actions taken in preparation for a potential outbreak of the Flu Formerly Known As Swine.

H1N1 is a whole family of influenzas including the present strain. It's not inaccurate, just not very specific. It includes bird flu, human flu, and swine flu. The current strain has elements of all three.

I would like to know whether the current strain is transferrable between humans as an airborne virus, or most of the time, only through physical contact.

I've heard that it doesn't transfer just by breathing the same air unless droplets from a sneeze or cough make physical contact. Anybody know the answer?

459 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:39:36pm

Popcorn's poppin', guys! Have at it!

460 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:39:41pm

re: #453 OldLineTexan

"Bush Flu" has LOTS of interesting potential.

/

A double feature with a remake of Deep Throat.

461 thatemailname  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:40:18pm

Here's a good one!

(U) alternative media (U//FOUO) A term used to describe various information sources that provide a forum for interpretations of events and issues that differ radically from those presented in mass media products and outlets.

Couldn't that describe LGF?

462 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #458 eschew_obfuscation

I didn't find it inaccurate, just amusing to be worried about offending someone with the name of a FLU virus.

463 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:41:33pm

re: #462 OldLineTexan

I didn't find it inaccurate, just amusing to be worried about offending someone with the name of a FLU virus.

Heh... some want it called the Mexican Flu ...

464 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:41:44pm

re: #459 quickjustice

maybe he is just all type.

465 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:42:38pm

re: #461 thatemailname

Here's a good one!

(U) alternative media (U//FOUO) A term used to describe various information sources that provide a forum for interpretations of events and issues that differ radically from those presented in mass media products and outlets.

Couldn't that describe LGF?

Good grief.

In the context of this report, it obviously describes forums like Stormfront and National Vanguard.

But don't let me stop you from hyperventilating over it.

466 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:42:38pm

re: #463 eschew_obfuscation

Heh... some want it called the Mexican Flu ...

Yeah, that got shot down pretty quickly. I can see why. SARS wasn't called "The Chinese Death" or anything like that.

467 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:43:07pm

re: #449 HoosierHoops

Hoops, on a lighter note, did you watch the Bulls & Celtics last night.
Triple overtime! Add to that one double overtime game & two overtime games. Heck of A SERIES.

468 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:43:19pm

The way some folks in the right-leaning blogosphere are reacting to these DHS reports is like looking at a mirror image of how the leftists reacted to the PATRIOT ACT.

This is not good.

469 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #453 OldLineTexan

"Bush Flu" has LOTS of interesting potential.

/

I used to think being a Bush pilot might be kinda interesting until I realized it meant planes. ;)

470 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:43:43pm

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth

The way some folks in the right-leaning blogosphere are reacting to these DHS reports is like looking at a mirror image of how the leftists reacted to the PATRIOT ACT.

This is not good.

Indeed.

471 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:43:43pm

re: #462 OldLineTexan

I didn't find it inaccurate, just amusing to be worried about offending someone with the name of a FLU virus.

It's not being done for anything other than the pork producers. Really has nothing to do with Mexico. To avoid any connection between pork sales and the name "Swine Flu" was the reason they changed it.

472 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #467 opnion

Hoops, on a lighter note, did you watch the Bulls & Celtics last night.
Triple overtime! Add to that one double overtime game & two overtime games. Heck of A SERIES.

DID HE WATCH IT? He live-blogged it with three time-outs for changing his pants!

/

473 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:44:07pm
474 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:44:12pm

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth

Actually, if you read the beast article, you will see the ACLU is reacting this as well.

475 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:44:21pm

re: #455 ~BfromTX

your serve.

I already called you out rookie...62 posts gives you the right to be a smartass to Charles? You'd be better off to trash talk me..I can't ban your ass...
Your return serve...I'll be upthread if you need me pal.

476 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:44:26pm

re: #471 Gus 802

It's not being done for anything other than the pork producers. Really has nothing to do with Mexico. To avoid any connection between pork sales and the name "Swine Flu" was the reason they changed it.

I.e., pander to ignorance rather than correct it.

Pardon me if I remain amused.

477 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:44:57pm

re: #474 formercorpsman

reacting to this as well.

478 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:44:59pm

re: #461 thatemailname

You really like being downdinged like the idiot you are?

479 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:45:11pm

re: #473 taxfreekiller

North Dallas

480 Gus  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #476 OldLineTexan

I.e., pander to ignorance rather than correct it.

Pardon me if I remain amused.

It is rather amusing.

481 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:45:18pm
482 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #457 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. Spell check seems to have cancelled most doubled consonants. For example, I ran it on this post and it flagged "cancelled," but didn't when I spelled it "canceled."

Can-sealed.

483 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:45:42pm

re: #472 OldLineTexan

DID HE WATCH IT? He live-blogged it with three time-outs for changing his pants!

/

Guess that he got excited?

484 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:46:53pm

re: #467 opnion

Hoops, on a lighter note, did you watch the Bulls & Celtics last night.
Triple overtime! Add to that one double overtime game & two overtime games. Heck of A SERIES.

I loved that game last night! Those Bulls are up and coming!
Noah..the 7 footer stole the ball back court and in 3 dribbles went 60 feet and dunked the ball! Amazing play and game!

485 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:46:58pm

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth

The way some folks in the right-leaning blogosphere are reacting to these DHS reports is like looking at a mirror image of how the leftists reacted to the PATRIOT ACT.

This is not good.

And it has only been 100 days and the hysteria is at the level the Left took 8 years to achieve. 4 years of this escalating shit is beyond scary.

486 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:47:58pm

re: #446 OldLineTexan

Swine Flu has been retitled "H1N1" by the PC Flu Name Patrol.

I received an e-mail today regarding company actions taken in preparation for a potential outbreak of the Flu Formerly Known As Swine.

Sounds like the Artist formely known as Prince.

487 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #474 formercorpsman

The ACLU is probably one of the main reasons this document got withdrawn so quickly. Too many extreme groups on the left got mentioned.

488 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:50:36pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

I loved that game last night! Those Bulls are up and coming!
Noah..the 7 footer stole the ball back court and in 3 dribbles went 60 feet and dunked the ball! Amazing play and game!

Yup, with all that went on , that steal & Jam by Noah was the play of the game. The speculation is that Garnett plays for Boston in Game 7 tomorrow night. Bring it on!

489 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:51:27pm

re: #462 OldLineTexan

I didn't find it inaccurate, just amusing to be worried about offending someone with the name of a FLU virus.

Only a ninny would object to the name "swine flu" because swine are haram or not kosher or otherwise objectionable for completely irrelevant reasons. The only arguably rational objection to the name would be if the flu strain actually had no association with swine - but it most assuredly does.

490 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #486 opnion

Sounds like the Artist formely known as Prince.

TAFKAP
"A big disease with a little name" yet he refered to AIDS and Miles Davies.

491 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:52:41pm

re: #461 thatemailname

Here's a good one!

(U) alternative media (U//FOUO) A term used to describe various information sources that provide a forum for interpretations of events and issues that differ radically from those presented in mass media products and outlets.

Couldn't that describe LGF?

Only if you consider fact checking and debunking the FMSM to be a subversive act.

492 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:54:18pm

re: #491 Bubblehead II

Only if you consider fact checking and debunking the FMSM to be a subversive act.

The FMSM might consider it subversive because we have the temerity to question their pronouncements absolutely.

493 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

That's being called out? Charles misses my sarc tag, twice. I dig at him a little for it and now I've got Basket ball Jones on me? Please. I've been reading this site for a long time and I think Charles does exceptional work and provides proudly one of the most sane voices on the net. That's why I finally applied to be a lizard. I am sure if I had offended him he would have commented. You can knock off the rookie stuff, crap, I have not been a rookie at anything since the 80's. too old. My original post was a sarc on the Kevin Bacon game lizards like to play sometimes with people in the news.

494 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:56:45pm
495 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:57:17pm

re: #487 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well from the beast article, it seemed to indicate they are scouring most of the reports coming out of these units.

496 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:57:39pm

Those of use who work in the security world understand the importance of working from the same reference points. So I see nothing wrong with this latest DHS product. Actually, working from the same reference point is desirable for most any profession. Here's one of my favorite DHS "lexicon" documents. I use it everyday.

At the risk of being called a sycophantic Charles congratulator, Charles is right, much ODS going on.

I suppose the "right" observed how the "left" used BDS to whip-up the base and is now following suit. Monkey see...monkey do.

It used to be called propaganda or the "big lie", now it's some version of derangement syndrome (DS). Different sides of the same old manipulation of the masses coin.

You can pretty much judge someone's IQ level by the amount of DS present.

497 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #481 taxfreekiller


lil'bit...basket ball Jones seems to be good at it also.

498 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:59:04pm
499 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 2:59:55pm

Has Ed bothered to mention why there is no Islamic extremist groups mentioned in the document yet? I am not going to jump into the cesspool just to see whether he still refuses to report the facts or not.

500 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:01:14pm

re: #495 formercorpsman

Well from the beast article, it seemed to indicate they are scouring most of the reports coming out of these units.

As they should if they have been linked to acts of domestic terrorism or other crimes.

501 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:01:16pm

re: #458 eschew_obfuscation

Here's a handy link about the suspected origin of the current outbreak of swine flu (a Mexican pig factory farm), and a chronology of how the pandemic developed: [Link: biosurveillance.typepad.com...]

502 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:01:52pm

re: #500 FurryOldGuyJeans

As they should if they have been linked to acts of domestic terrorism or other crimes.

Ooops, as they should NOT! PIMF!

503 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:03:14pm

re: #498 taxfreekiller

LOL. no not so much. Bush and I really don't live in the same neighborhood. Highland Park is a bit out of reach for the wife and I right now. Did have dinner with him back in the day when he was with the Rangers...He's a good guy.

504 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #492 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #499 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nope. No update on it yet.

505 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:04:03pm

re: #499 FurryOldGuyJeans

Has Ed bothered to mention why there is no Islamic extremist groups mentioned in the document yet? I am not going to jump into the cesspool just to see whether he still refuses to report the facts or not.

Of course not. He knows what the memo says. He's openly lying to people to stupid to check for themselves. Michelle malking is now linking to his dishonest post on the memo. It's a disgrace.

506 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:05:44pm

re: #493 ~BfromTX

I missed the Sarc tag...Sorry
Plus I really don't want to Shred anyone on a Friday..It's been a long week.

507 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:06:52pm

re: #500 FurryOldGuyJeans

By the way I noticed that that you dinger up a post lying about me advocating terrorism against Paulians. You're a dishonest piece of shit too.

508 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:07:07pm

re: #505 Killgore Trout

tap on the breaks a little...good lord!

509 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:08:32pm
510 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:08:51pm

re: #505 Killgore Trout

Well hopefully this will burn itself out before the mid-terms. Right now the more saner minds need to be pushing the RNC to show some leadership skills and take the Party back from the so-cons at both the National and State levels.

511 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:09:42pm

re: #506 HoosierHoops

no problem...sorry about the basket ball Jones thing...if it offended.

512 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:09:44pm

Peace is breaking out all over, ah well! . . . [munches on handful of popcorn]

513 callahan23  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:10:11pm

re: #493 ~BfromTX

re: #506 HoosierHoops

I missed the Sarc tag...Sorry
Plus I really don't want to Shred anyone on a Friday..It's been a long week.

And that is one of those nice things here on LGF the civilized manners of the 'sometime' opponents.
One SORRY and an explanation and the world is groovy again.

514 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:11:37pm
515 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #510 Bubblehead II

I read earlier that McCain is spearheading a series of town hall meetings in an attempt to get the adults back in charge. I think Jindal is involved too. I'm not expecting much to come from it.

516 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:12:34pm
517 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:12:44pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

Jindal is part of the problem, not the solution

518 opnion  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:12:57pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

I read earlier that McCain is spearheading a series of town hall meetings in an attempt to get the adults back in charge. I think Jindal is involved too. I'm not expecting much to come from it.

McCain? Isn't that the guy that ran the sterling campaign?

519 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:13:14pm

re: #48 redstateredneck

Who was it upthread that said they had Doc Martens?


You're being profiled, you skinhead!

My rabbi commented wistfully a few years ago that it worried him that young men had taken to shaving their heads even when they were not neo-Nazis, but perfectly nice young people. It made things confusing, he said.

520 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

By the way I noticed that that you dinger up a post lying about me advocating terrorism against Paulians. You're a dishonest piece of shit too.

You sure love to shit on people today. After your spewing of vitriol you now get to become a member of my scroll-over territory.

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:14:32pm

re: #55 BignJames

Crazed Chihuahuas


There's another kind?

Some chihuahuas are quite serene. The breed has been stereotyped, but if they're properly trained, they're not real yappy by nature.

522 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #509 taxfreekiller

I know, Living here is different and I am sure you Cali peeps know this too. Being such a large state we have all kinds. I really had not even heard of RP until he opened his mouth and tried to run in '04. Most Texans yawn and roll their eyes when someone talks anything about that idiot. I was at the Dallas Tea party and the RP weird-o's were NOT represented very well. Most of us just looked at them and laughed.

523 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:16:08pm

re: #517 Bubblehead II

Jindal is part of the problem, not the solution

Both want to further fracture and marginalize the GOP. Solution is not in their lexicon.

524 shortshrift  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:16:19pm

re: 447 FurryOldGuyJeans
You are very quick on the trigger. What "conspiracy crapola" do I "love to trot out"? I did indeed read the memo, but could see no reason given as to why they left out Islamic extremist groups, just a statement that it contained non-Islamic ones. Did I overlook such an explanation?
I certainly do not think that the DHS is conspiring. It is bungling. But bungling is harmful too.
Calm yourself. Your worthy efforts at curbing right-wing "hysteria"
are becoming a tad hysterical themselves.

525 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:17:26pm

re: #437 shortshrift

Some feel that the DHS is on the way to becoming the STASI. Memos like this reinforce that perception

Nominated for stupidest comment in the thread.

526 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:18:54pm

re: #524 shortshrift

Simply because the document said that was the intent behind its creation. I call it crapola to patently ignore what the document says why it was produced in the first place.

And in the first paragraph to boot.

527 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:19:09pm

re: #523 FurryOldGuyJeans

Newt needs to get back into the game.

528 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #504 Bubblehead II

re: #499 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nope. No update on it yet.

I am not one whit surprised Ed seems intent on fucking lying about the document.

529 ~BfromTX  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:21:34pm

re: #525 Charles

#505 - Should be runner up!

530 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #527 Bubblehead II

Newt needs to get back into the game.

Sadly Newt is damaged goods and would be as severe a detriment as Jindal and McCain are being.

531 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:24:14pm

re: #528 FurryOldGuyJeans

Either that or he has gotten caught in the same trap as AS and JW are currently in. Screwed up, got caught and is to embarrassed to admit it.

/ Charles, You magnificent bastard!

532 Soona'  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:26:09pm

re: #530 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sadly Newt is damaged goods and would be as severe a detriment as Jindal and McCain are being.

So who do you suggest? With everyone bad-mouthing something about any or all the Repubs and conservatives mentioned so far, who would satisfy even a handful of the commentors here?

533 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:26:38pm

I mean, seriously.

Comparing the DHS to the East German secret police?

How crazy are we gonna get about this?

534 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:27:20pm

re: #531 Bubblehead II

Either that or he has gotten caught in the same trap as AS and JW are currently in. Screwed up, got caught and is to embarrassed to admit it.

/ Charles, You magnificent bastard!

Newt had his day in the sun during the 90's with the Contract with America and the BBA. Frankly we need someone who is younger and more attuned with Conservatism of the 21st Century, not a retread or someone spouting narrow religious dogma as science.

535 Soona'  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:28:54pm

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

Newt had his day in the sun during the 90's with the Contract with America and the BBA. Frankly we need someone who is younger and more attuned with Conservatism of the 21st Century, not a retread or someone spouting narrow religious dogma as science.

When has Newt "spouted" religious dogma?

536 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:28:55pm

re: #530 FurryOldGuyJeans

From a Social Conservative point of view I will agree with you. But from a Fiscal Conservative point of view I would disagree. I don't give a flying f*ck that he had a affair. None of my business. But he was and still is for small Government and fiscal responsibility.

537 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:29:28pm

re: #533 Charles

I mean, seriously.

Comparing the DHS to the East German secret police?

How crazy are we gonna get about this?

Comparing the DHS to the KGB or the Gestapo is the next and possibly final step on this spiral into insanity that is ODS.

538 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:30:42pm

re: #536 Bubblehead II

From a Social Conservative point of view I will agree with you. But from a Fiscal Conservative point of view I would disagree. I don't give a flying f*ck that he had a affair. None of my business. But he was and still is for small Government and fiscal responsibility.

I wasn't even thinking of his affair. I was talking about his post speaker political shenanigans solely.

539 see bs  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:31:04pm

re: #533 Charles

But I found an DHS camera in my shower! Plus they are looking at my mail under a black light!

/

540 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:31:05pm

re: #533 Charles

Ummm, Is this a trick question?

/ It's Black Helicopter season.

541 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:32:35pm

re: #535 Soona'

When has Newt "spouted" religious dogma?

Try Jindal for that. Neither man would be of a big advantage to the GOP as the standard bearer.

542 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:32:48pm

re: #538 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, looks like I am missing some info here. Got anything particular I should be looking at?

543 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:34:06pm

re: #542 Bubblehead II

Ok, looks like I am missing some info here. Got anything particular I should be looking at?

Financial shenanigans with a book deal and his unreservedly acceptance of cap and trade, for starters.

544 Soona'  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:34:41pm

re: #541 FurryOldGuyJeans

Try Jindal for that. Neither man would be of a big advantage to the GOP as the standard bearer.

So I ask again. Who do you think should be?

545 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:35:58pm

re: #543 FurryOldGuyJeans

Looks like I need to do some research then. Thanks.

546 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:37:10pm

re: #544 Soona'

So I ask again. Who do you think should be?

Not up to me since the GOP is intent on imploding with all the children at the helm. I'm a conservative independent for just such a reason.

547 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:38:30pm

re: #545 Bubblehead II

Looks like I need to do some research then. Thanks.

The FMSM doesn't mention this a lot since it would be a wet dream for them to have him in their sights during a campaign if he were the candidate.

548 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:39:57pm
549 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:42:35pm
550 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:43:25pm

Whi the hell is RS McCain?

I am so out of the loop.

551 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:43:37pm

re: #550 formercorpsman

Who

552 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:45:13pm

re: #544 Soona'

So I ask again. Who do you think should be?

But to be fair I will give you an answer, but probably not the one you want to hear.

Who I think should be is someone that has the balls to say government needs to be starved and broken. Someone who demands the Constitutional prohibitions on government are to be followed. Someone who wants to get government OUT of everything they have no Constitutional basis for doing. Someone who will tell the American people to grow up and start acting like adults instead of the sniveling children who demand cradle to grave protection. Someone who does what is right to fulfill the Constitutional duties outlined regardless of how even fellow party members are concerned about their own electability.

Basically someone who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.

553 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:46:21pm

re: #549 Iron Fist

But the Leftists have been there before us. DHS was the Gestapo rolled into the KGB with a dash of Vlad Teppish when the Evil Cowboy Chimpy McHalliberton Bushitler ran the show.

Just because the Left refused to act like adults doesn't give those on the right a pass to do the same.

554 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:47:05pm

re: #550 formercorpsman

Whi the hell is RS McCain?

I am so out of the loop.

A blogger and Pat Buchanan supporter, who contributes to the European racist journal Takimag. More here: Robert Stacy McCain:

McCain has been criticized by the Southern Poverty Law Center, who called him a member of the white supremacist hate group, League of the South and "has often inserted excerpts of material written by hate groups" into the Times. "In addition, McCain is the only national reporter to cover four conferences put on by American Renaissance. Until 2004, McCain had never mentioned its controversial nature."

555 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:47:57pm

And if you Google for American Renaissance, you'll see an openly white supremacist website.

556 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:49:01pm

re: #554 Charles

These lunatics from the right are getting harder to be rid of than kudzu.

557 Randall Gross  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:52:56pm

They missed a few. Neoconfederates, monkey wrenchers, etc. They also should make note in this report that some foreign elements masquerade as domestic among many of these groups.

558 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:55:23pm

re: #554 Charles

A blogger and Pat Buchanan supporter, who contributes to the European racist journal Takimag.

That name rings a bell. I think I saw it on that web site I sent you an E-mail and posted about. Give me some time to check it out and see if I remember correctly.

559 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:55:52pm

re: #557 Thanos

They missed a few. Neoconfederates, monkey wrenchers, etc. They also should make note in this report that some foreign elements masquerade as domestic among many of these groups.

I believe the main reasons for inclusion on the list were if the group was non-Islamic and had committed or was reasonably known to have committed a terrorist attack.

560 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:58:26pm

re: #533 Charles

I have to wonder how much overlap there is between those who are determined to mirror the overblown hysteria of the leftist's BDS, and those who are determined to see every piece of legitimate criticism of the GOP as a call to make the Rep. party more like the left.

561 debutaunt  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:58:41pm

re: #533 Charles

I mean, seriously.

Comparing the DHS to the East German secret police?

How crazy are we gonna get about this?

Metaphor contest time!

562 Randall Gross  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:59:32pm

re: #559 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe the main reasons for inclusion on the list were if the group was non-Islamic and had committed or was reasonably known to have committed a terrorist attack.

Yes, like I said they missed a few.

563 tyree  Fri, May 1, 2009 3:59:45pm

Point taken, Charles.
But why is DHS taking terrorists threats and breaking them down into political, racial or cultural blocks at all? Shouldn't the search start in a broadminded way looking for terrorists and then focusing on the type? Or should part of the effort be focused on Muslim terrorists and ignore the others? Do we really want some bureaucrat to say the threat is sabotage when the real threat is six aircraft carriers full of planes?

564 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:00:17pm

Need to go for now. bbiaw

565 formercorpsman  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:02:14pm

re: #554 Charles

Gotcha.

For a couple days now, when I have gotten time to read some different links, etc. I noticed references to (R.S. McCain)

You see McCain, and automatically think John. Then I remember seeing someone link something about Meghan McCain making some recent comment on a blog (or something to that effect) and it just got me wondering.

I know I could have looked it up myself, (which I was doing just now) but knew I could probably get the answer here.

Thanks for the condensed version.

566 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:03:18pm

re: #537 FurryOldGuyJeans

Comparing the DHS to the KGB or the Gestapo is the next and possibly final step on this spiral into insanity that is ODS.

It is both amazing and depressing that, after eight years of "Bush=Hitler", these ODS kooks do not see how pathetically ironic and hypocritical they are being. Crazy ideologues.

567 pittrader1988  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:05:25pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

How many ultra orthodox jewish terrorists have you seen...just sayin'.

568 pittrader1988  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:07:54pm

re: #527 Bubblehead II

he is going to try, but the salamander is damaged goods in many eyes-and the media is not going to help him rehab his image with the center.

maybe he should pray with Jesse Jackson.

569 shortshrift  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:15:30pm

re: # Charles
I am very chuffed that you noticed my post! Dismayed that you found it stupid.
The "some people" who compare the DHS to the STASI are usually on the left.
They argue that government is now profiling on the basis of status. Some on the right (not I) can now use the memo to point to the same thing. My point was that the "half-assed" (as another poster called it) lexicon undermines confidence in the DHS. I hope that the agency does a better job in finding extremists than they do in explaining where they look for them. I want them to get on with the job, not push paper.

570 LeonidasOfSparta  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:22:02pm

re: #552 FurryOldGuyJeans

While I agree with you completely, FOGJ, I must warn you that your statement might bring the wrath of the DHS "extremist watch" upon you for even stating such things as "the government needs to be starved and broken" ...

:)

571 thatemailname  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:29:55pm

re: #478 FurryOldGuyJeans

You really like being downdinged like the idiot you are?

Now that's a foolish answer to my simple question. Why not try to respond to my honest question in a civil way, and defend your views by using reason and intellect, or is that asking too much?

572 funky chicken  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:51:10pm

re: #530 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sadly Newt is damaged goods and would be as severe a detriment as Jindal and McCain are being.

Gingrich is epic fail as a candidate for POTUS. His marital history alone will doom him.

573 thatemailname  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:51:29pm

re: #491 Bubblehead II

Here's a good one!

(U) alternative media (U//FOUO) A term used to describe various information sources that provide a forum for interpretations of events and issues that differ radically from those presented in mass media products and outlets.

Couldn't that describe LGF?

Only if you consider fact checking and debunking the FMSM to be a subversive act.

Yes, of course. But that isn't what the definition says.

And just who gets to define what "differs radically" means? For another example, how many on the left have claimed for years that Fox News fits this description?

574 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 4:59:43pm

re: #573 thatemailname

Yes, of course. But that isn't what the definition says.

And just who gets to define what "differs radically" means?

Well, by assuming that they're talking about you, you are defining what it means.

575 funky chicken  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:00:40pm

re: #550 formercorpsman

Whi the hell is RS McCain?

I am so out of the loop.

He's a real favorite among the hotair crowd. He's one of those "true conservatives" who was writing screeds on his blog and in comments sections up until election day against John McCain.

And a Buchannanite and Paulnut/whatevernut.

576 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:01:46pm

Looks like Ed Morrissey's just going to ignore my post, and not correct his ridiculous complaint that the report doesn't mention Islamic extremists.

577 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:14:16pm

re: #576 Charles

First rule of holes. Stop digging.

578 bungie  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:23:55pm

When I read through the report I was struck by its incompleteness. Where is MS-13? AB or Aryan Brotherhood (they did say Aryan prison gangs but it was very non-specific)? Mexican mafia? For that matter, mafia? Asian pride?

Is the thinking that these may be criminal rather than political? But if that's it, they have a racist agenda which is in a sense political.

579 Yosemite Bill  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:29:09pm

576 - Charles - Yes the report mentions Islamic extremism but as to content domestic Islamic extremism - the Jihadists- do seem to be well below DHS's radar.

Taken in the greater context of the actions - international apology tours, bad mouthing the war effort to get elected, and in general the anti-US and anti- military that are systemic to the "progressive" Radicals that now control Washington - the DHS reports are NOT surprising but that makes them no less dangerous.
I say dangerous because these are exactly the same attitudes and unwillingness to recognize a national security threats that brought this Republic 9/11 !
The Obama - Napolitano DHS is as detached from reality as Clinton's bunch - Gorelick, et al and I will argue that BHO's cadre is much further Left .
The threat to the Republic from - fill in the blank- extremists- is zero or damn near zero based on past actions EXCEPT for the one group DHS almost failed to mention.

580 kafir  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:32:24pm

Jewish extremism?

Ok, I admit it.

Touch my salt bagel and you will feel the wrath of the scallion cream cheese ...

Its high time to impose knishes on this country. And sweetened wine ... yeah, definitely sweetened wine.

and whitefish salad...

... don't nobody go near my whitefish salad ...

581 shortshrift  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:43:53pm

Re: #533 Charles, plus echoes FOJG and Slumbering Behemoth
Further to my last post at 569:
It is stale by now, but my original post nominated for most stupid should have read: "If it is a lexicon, why are the names of known groups who have shown violence in furtherance of their ideologies NOT listed? "
As the omission of "not" renders my train of thought incomprehensible, I must sadly accept the nomination, but for carelessness, not for ODS.
My statement from 569 concerning leftists likening DHS to STASI stands, as recognized by #549 Iron Fist.

582 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:45:52pm

re: #580 kafir

The JDL and Kahane made some noise here in New York for a while. The Egyptian Ambassador to the U.N.'s home in New York was firebombed by a suspected JDL affiliate, for example. And Kahane was assassinated as well, wasn't he? So the notion of Jewish American terrorists isn't entirely far-fetched. Begin's Irgun, and their bombing of the King David Hotel in Palestine was the classic example of a Jewish terrorist organization.

583 quickjustice  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:49:17pm

re: #552 FurryOldGuyJeans

If you took the ideas of Charles Murray, for example, of replacing the social welfare system with cash payments to all adult Americans, you might have a shot at getting something done. It would require very clever ideas to show a decisive majority of Americans why massive government programs aren't in their interests.

584 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:52:41pm

re: #576 Charles

I think miss Malkin still has a thread up about it too. It's sad that Ed won't put up a retraction/clarification/correction but it is a little encouraging that many Hot Air readers figured it out on their own.

585 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:57:09pm

Comments from Malkin's place...


On May 1st, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Hangfire said:
I was destined to become a domestic extremist by raising my right hand and vowing to defend my country from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Bingo. When I swore oath, that it might actually be a sitting president that was an enemy of the Constitution was not something I considered. My how times have changed.

Emphasis original. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

586 thatemailname  Fri, May 1, 2009 5:59:20pm

re: #574 Charles

Well, by assuming that they're talking about you, you are defining what it means.

Fair enough. But I'm not assuming they're talking about me, per se. My point is, I'd prefer that the government not be in the business of defining what "differs radically" means when it comes to where people get their information. And it has nothing to do with Obama being president - this kind of stuff can lead to abuses no matter who's in charge.

587 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:00:03pm

re: #585 Killgore Trout

The comments at Malkin's place are really over the top...


Let’s just cut to the chase here: If you haven’t sworn complete allegiance and loyalty to Barack Obama, you are suspect of being an enemy of the state. If you believe in the rule of law and the founding documents of the United States, you are suspect of being an enemy of the state by this administration.

And THIS is just the beginning…

588 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:08:23pm

re: #558 Bubblehead II

Ok, I am back. Charles, I have done a bit of digging and have so far came up with this.

The Youth for Western Civilization websites blog, The Hammer has a link to the Takimag blog. It also appears that the one founders of this website/blog, Marcus Epstein (yeah, I know the source might be questionable) also has connections to a blog called VDARE.com.

Maybe it is just me, but the graphics of the website and blog as well as who they are as well as to who they are linking to, strikes me as a white nationalist group trying to infiltrate the college campus as a conservative group.

One other link that I used.

forstudentpower.org

Am I being paranoid? Or should I do some more digging?

589 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:08:24pm

re: #587 Killgore Trout

The comments at Malkin's place are really over the top...

Guh.

590 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:10:10pm

re: #588 Bubblehead II

Ok, I am back. Charles, I have done a bit of digging and have so far came up with this.

The Youth for Western Civilization websites blog, The Hammer has a link to the Takimag blog. It also appears that the one founders of this website/blog, Marcus Epstein (yeah, I know the source might be questionable) also has connections to a blog called VDARE.com.

Maybe it is just me, but the graphics of the website and blog as well as who they are as well as to who they are linking to, strikes me as a white nationalist group trying to infiltrate the college campus as a conservative group.

One other link that I used.

forstudentpower.org

Am I being paranoid? Or should I do some more digging?

You're not being paranoid. Marcus Epstein is a notorious "racialist" -- the pseudo-academic name these creeps have adopted for their white supremacist ideology. He's affiliated with a bunch of other "racialists" at sites like VDARE, American Renaissance, and other ugly places. These are not good people.

591 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:14:15pm

You may want to check out some of the other contributors at VDARE, by the way.

592 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:18:59pm

re: #573 thatemailname

Yes, of course. But that isn't what the definition says.

And just who gets to define what "differs radically" means? For another example, how many on the left have claimed for years that Fox News fits this description?

Well, since you asked the question, obviously my response was directed toward you. Do you consider LGF's reporting/commenting to differ radically from what the FMSM reports? If so, how? Charles and the rest of the Lizard Nation will correct an obvious FMSM blunder, but neither radically alters the story. Facts are facts.

Thanks for watching my back while I was gone Charles

593 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:31:46pm

re: #590 Charles

Thanks. This is the Fox News article that got me looking into these creeps.

Right-Wing College Group Riles Students on Campuses Nationwide

One look at their website/blog set the alarms off and started me looking. I hope that the college admin and student body expose these "people" for what they truly are and get them off campus as fast as possible before they cause even more damage to true Conservative groups.

594 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 6:56:26pm

re: #591 Charles

You may want to check out some of the other contributors at VDARE, by the way.

/// Thanks. You do know that you are fucking sadist. bastard.

595 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 1, 2009 7:00:01pm

Diving Office, Make you're depth 40 ft. Time to get out of the muck.

Going upstairs ^

596 Optimizer  Fri, May 1, 2009 7:25:19pm

re: #563 tyree

Point taken, Charles.
But why is DHS taking terrorists threats and breaking them down into political, racial or cultural blocks at all? Shouldn't the search start in a broadminded way looking for terrorists and then focusing on the type? Or should part of the effort be focused on Muslim terrorists and ignore the others? Do we really want some bureaucrat to say the threat is sabotage when the real threat is six aircraft carriers full of planes?

1) Gee, these Leftists types used to call this sort of thing "profiling", and screamed about the injustice of it all. Heh.

2) Planes don't kill people (at least, not on purpose!) - people kill people!

This all calls to mind a pet peeve of mine, which is the terms that are invented to obfuscate what is really meant. What's inherently bad about "extremism"? George Washington was an "extremist"! "War on Terror"? How's about we identify WHO (or even WHAT - 'cause it wasn't "terrorism", per se) that we're fighting?

We risk travelling down a really bad road when we start rattling sabres at something that we have not defined.

597 Whippet  Fri, May 1, 2009 8:34:39pm

Let's see...This quote was included in Morrisey's Hotair post:

''The new memo obtained by The Daily Beast locates an even wider-ranging group of extremists among us. You could safely say it crosses liberal and conservative lines: Entries range from Mexican separatists to antiabortion extremists to racial Nordic mysticism. (Islamic groups are specifically excluded from this document.)''

So my question is this? Why are Islamic groups specifically excluded from this document?

And when the next DHS memo that addresses the "anti-Democrat/Republican-pro-centrist-extremists is leaked how will you react then?

598 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 8:41:35pm

re: #597 Whippet

So my question is this? Why are Islamic groups specifically excluded from this document?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because they're the specific focus of other reports you don't know about?

Nah, that's impossible. Whippet knows all.

And when the next DHS memo that addresses the "anti-Democrat/Republican-pro-centrist-extremists is leaked how will you react then?

I'll call bullshit on the latest round of stupid bitching and moaning again, that's how I'll feel.

599 whippet  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:00:09pm

re: #598 Charles

So then point me to Napolitano's Islamic-extremist greatest hits memo.

600 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:01:43pm

re: #597 Whippet

Let's see...This quote was included in Morrisey's Hotair post:

''The new memo obtained by The Daily Beast locates an even wider-ranging group of extremists among us. You could safely say it crosses liberal and conservative lines: Entries range from Mexican separatists to antiabortion extremists to racial Nordic mysticism. (Islamic groups are specifically excluded from this document.)''

Hey, that's good. So he quoted that section without even reading it. Excellent.

601 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:04:02pm

re: #599 whippet

So then point me to Napolitano's Islamic-extremist greatest hits memo.

I know it's inconceivable, but there just might be reports you don't know about.

For example, this one:

[Link: www.investigativeproject.org...]

Or maybe this one:

[Link: homelandsecurity.tamu.edu...]

Or possibly this one:

[Link: secprodonline.com...]

Inconceivable!

602 whippet  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:04:52pm

re: #600 Charles

Then were you just being disingenuous in your original post or did you not read his entire post? Brilliant.

603 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:10:06pm

re: #602 whippet

Then were you just being disingenuous in your original post or did you not read his entire post? Brilliant.

Uh no ... this is what Ed wrote:

but somehow never gets around to mentioning Muslim extremists...

And yet, oddly enough, the report does mention Muslim extremists. As in, specifically excluding them.

No need to thank me.

604 [deleted]  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:12:21pm
605 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 1, 2009 9:15:56pm

At this point I will simply bid you adieu.

Don't bother sending me hate mail. It will just go in the trash.

606 Syrah  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:02:09pm

re: #175 Sharmuta

Yes- fact checking seems to have gone under the bus.

I think we are going to need a bigger bus.

607 Syrah  Fri, May 1, 2009 11:07:17pm

re: #585 Killgore Trout

Ummm . . .

That poster at Malklin's is going to learn first hand that the secret service makes house calls, . . .

. . . and they have no sense of humor.

None.

Not at all.

608 Thoughtful  Sat, May 2, 2009 8:10:43am

A useful glossary document, that raises two questions:

1) Why are so many DHS FOUO documents being released/leaked in their entirety?

2) Who is the DHS's classification authority? I mean really, marking the explanation of DDoS as FOUO? When over-used, classification and restriction markings lose their meaning -- which perhaps answers my own first question.

609 kafir  Sat, May 2, 2009 8:35:03am

re: #582 quickjustice

The JDL and Kahane made some noise here in New York for a while.

Kahane was labeled a terrorist, as far as I can tell, to appease some left wing groups that did not like his views on population separation. He had a number of racist and other ideological views that I find reprehensible. But no matter his particular form of insanity, his view of population separation is, sadly, the only possible path to peace in Israel.

JDL sunk to their level. Specifically:


September 1969:
The President of the United Nations Security Council revealed that six UN Missions of the Arab states received telegrams from the Jewish Defense League threatening each as a "legitimate target" in revenge for acts of terrorism committed by Arabs.

Not that the UN (or ADL these days) are reliable or even reasonable. Most of what I have read on them is hearsay, told by a disapproving observer. Read into that if you wish.


The Egyptian Ambassador to the U.N.'s home in New York was firebombed by a suspected JDL affiliate, for example.

This was ... what year?


And Kahane was assassinated as well, wasn't he?

By whom was he assassinated? The answer to this is different than what you are implying.


So the notion of Jewish American terrorists isn't entirely far-fetched.

JDL generated more noise than anything else. The few psychopaths and sociopaths that were in there that took violent destructive and morbid action were the exceptions, not the norm. Claiming it isn't "far-fetched" suggests that such things are in fact, mainstream. Which is, itself, far-fetched, and quite disingenuous.

I just read most of Michael Oren's history of US involvement in the middle east from pre-revolutionary times until today. What is remarkable about this text are the different ways these groups work. Jews apply pressure. They do it by writing letters, gathering political support, winning friends. They really don't take to the streets supporting genocidal murdering regimes, fascist dictators, or systems of government that are based upon an uncompromising and harsh religious law. They don't fly airplanes into buildings, bomb womens health clinics, blow up university labs. They don't throw blood/jello/dye/pie on celebrities and politicians, they don't hop in their pickups scouting for other minorities to pick on.

You can easily extend your basic argument to point out that America was founded by what you would imply to be terrorists. I am sure you don't really want to go there, but it is a simple and minor extension of your non-time limited argument. So if you want to make it, by all means, go ahead. Doesn't make that argument any more true than the other.

JDL isn't a terror group as you imply. They just have (in the distant past) made a great deal of noise, and sunk to the level of those they were fighting. I don't condemn their noise. I do condemn their tactics. It is possible to win on the high road. They just never tried.

I also don't think it is reasonable to call them terrorists because they attracted some psychopaths.

It is correct to label Hamas and Hezbullah as terrorist organizations, as their charter specifically endorses genocide. So anyone who supports them in any form, is suspect.

Calling JDL, with a self proclaimed mission to bring the fight back to the terrorists and their enablers, as a terrorist organization requires a significant stretch at best.

610 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 2, 2009 11:20:37am

re: #609 kafir

Kahane was labeled a terrorist, as far as I can tell, to appease some left wing groups that did not like his views on population separation.

Excuse me, but this is complete bullshit. Kahane's party Kach was declared a terrorist group because of statements like this:

I want to scare them and I want to make them realize that, contrary to what they have believed for fifteen years, time is not on their side... And I approve of anybody who commits such acts of violence.

And because members of the party ACTED on this advice.

As for the JDL, they have a long history of violence, culminating in leader Irv Rubin's plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Los Angeles.

The fact is that Kahane and the JDL absolutely deserve their reputation for being violent extremists. And it's not antisemitic to say so -- it's simple decency.

611 looking closely  Sat, May 2, 2009 1:37:17pm

re: #345 FurryOldGuyJeans

The document specifically said OTHER THAN ISLAMIC groups right in the first paragraph. Too many people are ignoring that very simple and clear fact.


I saw that, and to be clear, it said:


Definitions were derived from a variety of open source materials and
unclassified information, then further developed during facilitated workshops with DHS intelligence analysts knowledgeable about domestic, non-Islamic extremism in the United States.


This begs the question of why a document nominally purporting to be a "Domestic terrorism lexicon" omits a reference to domestic Islamic terrorism. Isn't a document like that by definition supposed to be comprehensive?

Did you note that this document actually provides separate entries for "skinheads" and "racist skinheads"? For "white separatists" and "white separatist movement"?

Note that I am drawing a distinction here between domestic Islamic terrorism and what might be termed international Islamist terrorism. I can see omitting international Islamic terrorism from a domestic lexicon, but again, the FBI (at least) thinks that domestic Islamist terrorism is a threat.

Even if there is an entire other document devoted to the topic (and there probably is), that doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned also here. For example, environmental terrorism is mentioned, and Charles already linked to the relevant specific DHS report on it. Ditto with rightwing extremism, etc.

612 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 2, 2009 1:52:21pm

re: #611 looking closely

This begs the question of why a document nominally purporting to be a "Domestic terrorism lexicon" omits a reference to domestic Islamic terrorism.

A point of pedantry: you mean it "leads to" the question, not "begs" the question. It would be begging the question if that paragraph said something like:

This document doesn't cover Islamic extremism because we decided not to.

See: Begging the question.

613 looking closely  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:35:16pm

re: #612 Charles

See: Begging the question.


OK, fair enough. I stand corrected.

I "raise" the question of why in this DHS "lexicon" of 30+ subtypes of domestic terrorists (including Jewish terrorists, Christian identity terrorists, and two nominally different kinds of skinheads), domestic Islamic terrorism is omitted.

Its a fairly conspicuous omission, I think. And I'll try to answer my own question with a few possible explanations.

a. The DHS doesn't consider domestic Islamic terrorism a threat.
b. The DHS figures that any law enforcement agent reading this report is already aware of Islamic terrorism, and therefore it requires no definition or mention.
c. The DHS just thinks it too politically incorrect to mention domestic Islamic terrorism.

Explanation "a" doesn't hold water. We know the FBI considers domestic Islamist terrorism a threat, and frankly, I can't believe the DHS is so incompetent that it isn't even willing to consider the idea that just *maybe* there are potentially violent "homegrown" Islamists within the USA.

Explanation "b" is implausible. Again, in the context of a list like this, what's a sentence or two to mention and/or define Islamic terrorism?

Unfortunately, the only explanation that I can think of that makes sense is "c". The DHS is probably bending over backwards to avoid creating ANY impression that it is concerned about violence from American Muslims.

I can see *why* it might feel that sort of pressure, but its disappointing.

614 Harvard@Cal  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:30:23am

I do find this a bit of a broad brush smear concerning "anti-immigration extremism":

"They are highly critical of the U.S. Government’s response to illegal immigration and oppose government programs that are designed to extend “rights” to illegal aliens, such as issuing driver’s licenses or national identification cards and providing in-state tuition, medical benefits, or public education."

I'm critical, indeed highly critical of ILLEGAL immigration and the government's responses (past and present administrations included), and I find it offensive to be swirled into the mix with nazis and ecotards. Indeed, after reading this doc, only the "anti-immigrant extremism" definition rolls out "extremist positions" that a reasonable person can also hold. My wanting secure borders and legal immigration process does NOT equate to a "DEATH TO WETBACKS" bumpersticker on my car.


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