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1 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:21:05pm

Down the home stretch...

throw caution to the wind, let the chips fall where they may, and forge ahead into the Great Unknown

Come on, Let The Chips Fall Where They May!

2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:22:49pm

If I let the chips fall then the cat goes and eats em.

3 Sabnen  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:24:45pm

The Great Unknown . . . what am I going to cook for dinner tonight?

4 Bubblehead II  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:24:53pm

Sometimes the only thing left to do is open a thread, throw caution to the wind, let the chips fall where they may, and forge ahead into the Great Unknown...

Is this going to be a troll hunt thread?

Guess not the door hasn't creaked open.

5 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:25:32pm

Was that a Mark Twain quote?

6 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #4 Bubblehead II

Sometimes the only thing left to do is open a thread, throw caution to the wind, let the chips fall where they may, and forge ahead into the Great Unknown...

Is this going to be a troll hunt thread?

Guess not the door hasn't creaked open.

Shhhhhh! Be vewwy, vewwy qwiet. We're huntin' twolls.

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:27:06pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

Was that a Mark Twain quote?

I thought was a quote from Ignar Gunneysacker. ;)

8 Jimmah  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:27:09pm

Shit, I thought it said 'Sunday Afternoon Open' there. Phew!

9 Bubblehead II  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:27:28pm

re: #6 FurryOldGuyJeans

But with the door closed all we have are the old ones and they have been chewed up pretty bad.

10 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:27:34pm

Watching "The Matrix" out of the corner of my eye. Glad I wasn't drinking or doing drugs when that came out. Rainy and fifty-two degrees outside. Bored.

11 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:28:32pm

62° and popcorn showers in the Twin Cities...

12 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:28:50pm

re: #9 Bubblehead II

But with the door closed all we have are the old ones and they have been chewed up pretty bad.

Need some target practice to zero in the new laser sighting then.

13 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:29:32pm

is there anyone else out there who is looking forward to seeing how the UAW runs an auto company when they are also in the management position? unions have always taken, taken, and taken some more. But now that they are also responsible for the bottom line, they will be in for a rude awakening. And the repubs need to make sure that the President does not just keep pouring our tax $$ into a company if the UAW shows it is not capable of making a profit.

I think in a way, Obama may be giving the union some rope to hang itself with. But the Repubs need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he doesn't just keep subsidizing UAW sloth if they can't make a profit.

I am going to be watching this very closely.

14 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:29:40pm

Forty six degrees and raining in Golden Colorado.

15 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:30:22pm

RoP in action.....
Taliban terror holds 2,000 villagers as human shields


Yesterday, as Pakistani forces stepped up their campaign to retake territory in the districts of Buner, Dir and Swat, it emerged that in one Taliban-controlled village, Pir Baba in Buner, the militants were holding 2,000 people as human shields in case the army attacked.

Elsewhere the Taliban appeared to be relying on kidnapping to extort funds and intimidate the population. Many of their victims have been members of rich families.

“Kidnapping has become routine in our village. Armed Taliban were picking up people and then demanding a huge ransom for their release,” said an elderly refugee now living with his family in a tent in Timergara, a town in Dir.

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:30:43pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

In a nutshell I expect the union leaders to rape and plunder the company as quick as is humanly possible now that they have their hands directly on the assets.

17 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:30:56pm

my karma # is at 999 ...

18 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:31:42pm

re: #16 FurryOldGuyJeans

In a nutshell I expect the union leaders to rape and plunder the company as quick as is humanly possible now that they have their hands directly on the assets.


is there any "down side" for them if they do?

19 Bubblehead II  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:32:01pm

Well would love to stay and chat, but the Mrs called and needs me to pick her up from work.

L8R

20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:32:24pm

South of Tacoma, WA 57 degrees partly cloudy with threats of rain.

21 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:32:56pm

re: #18 _RememberTonyC

is there any "down side" for them if they do?

They can only do it once is the only down side really.

22 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:33:03pm

Two American soldiers shot dead by uniformed Iraqi: US

Two American soldiers were shot dead and three more were wounded on Saturday when an Iraqi wearing army uniform opened fire on them south of the northern town of Mosul, the US military said.
"According to initial reports, an individual dressed in an Iraqi army uniform fired on the Coalition forces and was killed in the incident" around 20 kilometres (12 miles) south of Mosul, the statement said.

It called the incident "a small arms fire attack at a combat outpost."

A Mosul police officer identified the assailant as Hassan al-Dulaimi, a soldier who also served as the imam of a mosque at an Iraqi army training centre south of the city, the capital of Nineveh province.

NBC also just reported that he's a Muslim cleric.

/three cheers for the religion of peace

23 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:33:05pm

Panda's Thumb gives a big plug to Joel Walker, the Texan scientist we posted about last week:

[Link: pandasthumb.org...]

No credit to LGF, even though the story originated here. Oh well, no big deal, it's just nice to see Joel get recognized.

But ... there is this comment at PT that's more than a little irritating:

Charles Johnson of LGF says Walker is a Lizardoid:

Not a good sign, since LGF is a bigoted blog (though not as bigoted as many other so-called “anti-jihad” blogs). Still, I wish Dr. Walker luck.

That sucks. It's wrong, and it makes me very sad to see this idiotic claim being touted at a site that's otherwise very good and clear-headed.

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:33:27pm

re: #17 _RememberTonyC

my karma # is at 999 ...

No, it isn't ;)

25 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #17 _RememberTonyC

my karma # is at 999 ...

No it's not.I made t 1000 and I'm damn proud I did!

26 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:33:48pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

It's going to be very interesting. I'm starting to think this might not change anything. The unions have always had management by the balls anyways. The unions are just going to milk the cash cow until everything's gone.

27 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:34:17pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, it isn't ;)

Thanks Boss ;)

28 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:34:20pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

is there anyone else out there who is looking forward to seeing how the UAW runs an auto company when they are also in the management position? unions have always taken, taken, and taken some more. But now that they are also responsible for the bottom line, they will be in for a rude awakening. And the repubs need to make sure that the President does not just keep pouring our tax $$ into a company if the UAW shows it is not capable of making a profit.

I think in a way, Obama may be giving the union some rope to hang itself with. But the Repubs need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he doesn't just keep subsidizing UAW sloth if they can't make a profit.

I am going to be watching this very closely.

I think the unions have become just another arm of the democrat party, thus an integral part of the government. Our tax dollars will subsidize the auto companies just like it's another welfare program.

29 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #23 Charles

Panda's Thumb gives a big plug to Joel Walker, the Texan scientist we posted about last week:

[Link: pandasthumb.org...]

No credit to LGF, even though the story originated here. Oh well, no big deal, it's just nice to see Joel get recognized.

But ... there is this comment at PT that's more than a little irritating:

That sucks. It's wrong, and it makes me very sad to see this idiotic claim being touted at a site that's otherwise very good and clear-headed.

You speak the truth, Charles. All that is left to the kooks is lies and distortions.

30 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:34:53pm

re: #25 HoosierHoops


Thanks Hoosier! Simmons was great today!

31 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:35:11pm

re: #27 _RememberTonyC

Thanks Boss ;)

Don't look to me for the #1000, I just added to it. ;)

32 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:35:41pm

re: #23 Charles

I'm surprised it wasn't harold.

33 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:36:12pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

is there anyone else out there who is looking forward to seeing how the UAW runs an auto company when they are also in the management position? unions have always taken, taken, and taken some more. But now that they are also responsible for the bottom line, they will be in for a rude awakening. And the repubs need to make sure that the President does not just keep pouring our tax $$ into a company if the UAW shows it is not capable of making a profit.

I think in a way, Obama may be giving the union some rope to hang itself with. But the Repubs need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he doesn't just keep subsidizing UAW sloth if they can't make a profit.

I am going to be watching this very closely.


And just how will the GOP be able to hold his feet to the fire?

34 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:36:15pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

It's going to be very interesting. I'm starting to think this might not change anything. The unions have always had management by the balls anyways. The unions are just going to milk the cash cow until everything's gone.

About the only change that will occur is now the union has direct control over the assets so they can plunder the company easier and quicker.

35 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #33 summergurl


in the court of public opinion for starters ... be very vocal about this situation and don't let it lapse.

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:38:14pm

re: #33 summergurl

And just how will the GOP be able to hold his feet to the fire?

At this time not a whole lot the GOP can do since the party is so intent of eating each other alive. You want solutions, they won't be found in the current GOP. And 2010 is starting to look a whole lot less promising as well.

37 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:38:43pm

re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans

About the only change that will occur is now the union has direct control over the assets so they can plunder the company easier and quicker.

So, I guess next years car models won't have any hupcaps? ;)

38 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:39:05pm

re: #35 _RememberTonyC

in the court of public opinion for starters ... be very vocal about this situation and don't let it lapse.


well then letshope someone gives them some airtime or print space

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:39:24pm

re: #37 Soona'

So, I guess next years car models won't have any hupcaps? ;)

You will get hubcaps, but you will have to pay each month to keep them. ;)

40 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:39:27pm

re: #37 Soona'

So, I guess next years car models won't have any hupcaps? ;)

Hubcaps! (shit)

41 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:40:25pm

re: #38 summergurl

well then letshope someone gives them some airtime or print space

Get fair and equitable treatment from the FMSM?!? They need money to get any.

42 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:40:28pm

re: #17 _RememberTonyC

my karma # is at 999 ...

1002 now.

43 BignJames  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:40:42pm

re: #37 Soona'

So, I guess next years car models won't have any hupcaps? ;)


Ever play "hubcap"?

44 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:41:06pm

re: #38 summergurl

well then letshope someone gives them some airtime or print space

This is a big story. I think the financial channels will listen. Mitt Romney, a Michigan guy should be leading the charge. He can get air time. And the RNC should be all over this as well.

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:41:09pm

re: #40 Soona'

Hubcaps! (shit)

You did it, you clean it up! I ain't touchin' it! ;)

46 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #41 FurryOldGuyJeans

Get fair and equitable treatment from the FMSM?!? They need money to get any.

oh I forgot to add this to my comments

///

like the GOP will be given a platform in the square of public opinion.

47 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:41:31pm

re: #42 MandyManners

1002 now.


Thanks Mandy ... you're the best.

48 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:41:49pm

Without reading the DRF past performances, I'm going to have to go with Bob Baffert today.

/Pioneerof the Nile at 6-1

49 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:41:56pm

re: #43 BignJames

Ever play "hubcap"?

No. But I'll bite. What's "hubcap"?

50 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:42:16pm

Well- harold might hyperventilate again. Only time will tell.

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:42:22pm

re: #46 summergurl

oh I forgot to add this to my comments

///

like the GOP will be given a platform in the square of public opinion.

The only platform from the FMSM they will get is the pillory.

52 big steve  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:42:39pm

re: #23 Charles

Panda's Thumb gives a big plug to Joel Walker, the Texan scientist we posted about last week:

[Link: pandasthumb.org...]

No credit to LGF, even though the story originated here. Oh well, no big deal, it's just nice to see Joel get recognized.

But ... there is this comment at PT that's more than a little irritating:

That sucks. It's wrong, and it makes me very sad to see this idiotic claim being touted at a site that's otherwise very good and clear-headed.

I see Sharmuta's got your back on that comment......

53 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:42:39pm

re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans

If they totally plunder a company, who will pay for the retirees the union is on the hook for? Oh I forgot, us, the taxpayers who don't have absurd union retirement/health benefits.

54 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:43:15pm

re: #52 big steve

Only because I know harold missed me. ;p

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:43:45pm

re: #49 Soona'

No. But I'll bite. What's "hubcap"?

The bowl-like piece of metal that goes on the rim of your tire to hide the lugnuts. Dang, you must be a youngin' if you have to ask such a question. ;)

56 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:43:55pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

It's going to be very interesting. I'm starting to think this might not change anything. The unions have always had management by the balls anyways. The unions are just going to milk the cash cow until everything's gone.

There is a LOT going on lately, and I see it all as a grab to a soft nationalization of American businesses. This stuff with the UAW is simply a way for the UAW to be TOTALLY in debt to the administration. They are not going to be able to make a move without being scrutinized by the government.

These "test" (I forgot what the administration is calling them) of 19 major banks, telling the banks if the GOVERNMENT thinks that they are undercapitalized. Since when does the government TELL a private industry if they should or should not have more operating funds.

The administration refusing paybacks of TARP money. What the fuck is that all about. It's about keeping the business under the thumb of the government.

The government involving itself with the Chrysler bankruptcy and arranging a sale to Fiat. How does that work? And what is Fiat/Chrysler going to owe the government after that. Is Obama going to force them to make a certain kind of car.

All this and more is unprecedented. It's pure SS (Soft Socialism). There's some deep shit coming down here, and who is trying to stop it. Do you hear any outrage from Republican politicians. A big Noooooooo on that.

57 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:43:59pm
Sometimes the only thing left to do is open a thread, throw caution to the wind, let the chips fall where they may, and forge ahead into the Great Unknown...

Sounds like the President's foreign policy mission statement

58 BignJames  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:45:22pm

re: #49 Soona'

No. But I'll bite. What's "hubcap"?


Out in the country...at night...you hide on the side of the road....car goes by...you throw a hubcap behind it to make the driver think he's lost one...I have no idea why.

59 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:45:42pm

re: #53 pingjockey

If they totally plunder a company, who will pay for the retirees the union is on the hook for? Oh I forgot, us, the taxpayers who don't have absurd union retirement/health benefits.

You think the union leaders really give a crap about the workers they are supposed to represent? They are only concerned about staying in power.

We sure are stating the obvious, ain't we?

60 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:46:46pm

re: #55 FurryOldGuyJeans

The bowl-like piece of metal that goes on the rim of your tire to hide the lugnuts. Dang, you must be a youngin' if you have to ask such a question. ;)

BignJames asked me if I knew how to play hubcap. No, I don't know how to play "hubcap".

61 Born Again Republican  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:47:36pm

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

62 Desert Dog  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans

You think the union leaders really give a crap about the workers they are supposed to represent? They are only concerned about staying in power.

We sure are stating the obvious, ain't we?

I'm curious to see how the Union negotiates with itself, now that they are the workers and the majority owners. My guess is the Union bosses will all get big fat raises and the rank and file will be to told to take a pay cut (the ones that are still there, that is)

63 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:47:49pm

Auto task force members, from left: Treasury’s Ron Bloom and Gene Sperling, Labor’s Edward Montgomery, and Steve Rattner.

WTF... he's getting his cronies into every nook and cranny. The is all a build up to his greatest hits, the nationalization of the health care industry.

Obama is working hard.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

64 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #58 BignJames

Out in the country...at night...you hide on the side of the road....car goes by...you throw a hubcap behind it to make the driver think he's lost one...I have no idea why.

To make the driver stop, walk around the car and stand there scratching his head. (Be sure to tie a rope to it so that you can pull it back.)

65 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:48:07pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

Daily Kos?

66 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:48:07pm

It's so easy to call big OT.
It's so easy to call big OT.
Well it seems so easy...
So doggone easy...
It seems so easy...

67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:48:25pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

No one with a modicum of common sense can say it will never happen here because we are seeing it happen before our eyes. O is trumpeting how proud he is about "remaking America".

68 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:48:39pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

Moveon.org.

69 BignJames  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:49:05pm

re: #64 MandyManners

To make the driver stop, walk around the car and stand there scratching his head. (Be sure to tie a rope to it so that you can pull it back.)


You can do it w/a purse, too.

70 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:49:07pm

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yep.I couldn't believe the retirement packages the UAW got. 80% of their pay, full medical. You retire from the US military, it's 50% of your Base pay, and if you want your free medical, you better retire someplace with a military base. If you are not disabled or tottaly broke, the VA WILL NOT help you.

71 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:49:20pm

re: #62 Desert Dog

I'm curious to see how the Union negotiates with itself, now that they are the workers and the majority owners. My guess is the Union bosses will all get big fat raises and the rank and file will be to told to take a pay cut (the ones that are still there, that is)

The question is just how soon after the takeover that this happens, it is not a question of IF.

72 Desert Dog  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:49:49pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

Anything by Marx....Mao's Little Red Book.....A selection of Al Franken and Micheal Moore readings should bring that into the 2000's for you. And then, you'll have it! :-)

73 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:49:55pm

Someone else joined me at Panda's Thumb.

74 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:50:33pm

re: #69 BignJames

You can do it w/a purse, too.

Would a purse make a loud enough noise?

75 Born Again Republican  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:50:34pm

Sharmuta and Mandy, seriously? Don't want to read Huffington either.

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:50:35pm

re: #70 pingjockey

Yep.I couldn't believe the retirement packages the UAW got. 80% of their pay, full medical. You retire from the US military, it's 50% of your Base pay, and if you want your free medical, you better retire someplace with a military base. If you are not disabled or tottaly broke, the VA WILL NOT help you.

The VA will help you if you are service connected, but even if all your income is from VA compensation, as is mine, they still can and will make you do co-pays.

77 BignJames  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:50:44pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Someone else joined me at Panda's Thumb.

You've been spliced?

78 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:50:58pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

Try the "New York Times". Or NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC. And thats only for starters.

79 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #75 Born Again Republican

Sharmuta and Mandy, seriously? Don't want to read Huffington either.

Or you could just read MSNBC site.

80 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:51:07pm

Any NBA fans here? Tonight is game 7 between my beloved Celtics and the Chicago Bulls. I know the Celtics can use some support, and I believe Obama is a Bulls fan.

Is anyone with me?

81 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:51:42pm

re: #75 Born Again Republican

Sharmuta and Mandy, seriously? Don't want to read Huffington either.

Those are good places to start.

82 BignJames  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:51:47pm

re: #74 MandyManners

Would a purse make a loud enough noise?


Put the purse in the road before the car approaches.

83 big steve  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:51:50pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

Philosophy = "love of learning" (in Greek).....Liberal and Philosophy = contradicting terms.

84 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:52:10pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

Auto task force members, from left: Treasury’s Ron Bloom and Gene Sperling, Labor’s Edward Montgomery, and Steve Rattner.

WTF... he's getting his cronies into every nook and cranny. The is all a build up to his greatest hits, the nationalization of the health care industry.

Obama is working hard.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


Change !

85 NYCHardhat  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:52:40pm

“I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.”

86 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:52:47pm

re: #82 BignJames

Put the purse in the road before the car approaches.

I wouldn't stop for anything less than a Coach.

87 big steve  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:53:00pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Someone else joined me at Panda's Thumb.

Check my avatar.....

88 Sabnen  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:53:02pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

Try watching some TV. Liberalism is not really a philosophy, it about caring and feelings.

89 Born Again Republican  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:53:16pm

Interesting! Think I'll ask in a liberal group and see what they can offer.

90 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:53:18pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans
I was out of work, had a sty on the inside of my eye, went to our new VA clinic that the VFW had been trumpeting. "We're sorry, you made too much money LAST year."

91 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:53:41pm

re: #82 BignJames

Put the purse in the road before the car approaches.

I've done it with a dead body, and it really freaks the driver out. When he gets out of the car, thinking that he just ran someone over, then you pull the body off the road with a rope attached to his big toe, and the driver can't find him. Lot's of fun.

/

92 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:54:15pm

re: #90 pingjockey

I was out of work, had a sty on the inside of my eye, went to our new VA clinic that the VFW had been trumpeting. "We're sorry, you made too much money LAST year."

If only you'd have had the foresight to have your sty last year

/

93 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:54:16pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

You can try virtually any MSM outlet and with enough perusal get all the insight you require.

94 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

One of the core problems is that there's been an unhealthy relationship between CEO's, shareholders and unions in corporate America. Some banks have been allowed to return TARP money. Others are going to have to raise more capital first. The Reason why Obama is refusing to let some banks pay is because the CEO's might want to get back to collecting their outrageous salaries while running their companies into the ground. In some cases they aren't really concerned with making a profit for the company. They're just milking the company for personal gain. Unfortunately we need the banks. Our economy can't function without them.
The car companies can fail and the country would survive just fine. The banks' survival is essential.

95 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:54:58pm

re: #92 Shug
Then I would've had a job! Heh.

96 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:55:03pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

Auto task force members, from left: Treasury’s Ron Bloom and Gene Sperling, Labor’s Edward Montgomery, and Steve Rattner.

WTF... he's getting his cronies into every nook and cranny. The is all a build up to his greatest hits, the nationalization of the health care industry.

Obama is working hard.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Did you happen to catch this yet, via Jake Tapper?

A leading bankruptcy attorney representing hedge funds and money managers told ABC News Saturday that Steve Rattner, the leader of the Obama administration's Auto Industry Task Force, threatened one of the firms, an investment bank, that if it continued to oppose the administration's Chrysler bankruptcy plan, the White House would use the White House press corps to destroy its reputation.

The White House denies the story, of course.

97 bungie  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:55:26pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

There is a LOT going on lately, and I see it all as a grab to a soft nationalization of American businesses. This stuff with the UAW is simply a way for the UAW to be TOTALLY in debt to the administration. They are not going to be able to make a move without being scrutinized by the government.

These "test" (I forgot what the administration is calling them) of 19 major banks, telling the banks if the GOVERNMENT thinks that they are undercapitalized. Since when does the government TELL a private industry if they should or should not have more operating funds.

The administration refusing paybacks of TARP money. What the fuck is that all about. It's about keeping the business under the thumb of the government.

The government involving itself with the Chrysler bankruptcy and arranging a sale to Fiat. How does that work? And what is Fiat/Chrysler going to owe the government after that. Is Obama going to force them to make a certain kind of car.

All this and more is unprecedented. It's pure SS (Soft Socialism). There's some deep shit coming down here, and who is trying to stop it. Do you hear any outrage from Republican politicians. A big Noooooooo on that.

I have also been amazed at the lack of response in Washington, in the media, and even on the internet. In the real world, at least where I live (where it is 90 degrees and raining pollen, forgive my digression), people are incensed and scared. They feel that they are losing control over their lives and fortunes.

98 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:55:26pm

re: #82 BignJames

Put the purse in the road before the car approaches.

Throw a few fake dollar bills around it.

99 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:55:33pm

re: #80 _RememberTonyC

Any NBA fans here? Tonight is game 7 between my beloved Celtics and the Chicago Bulls. I know the Celtics can use some support, and I believe Obama is a Bulls fan.

Is anyone with me?

I am!

100 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:56:04pm

re: #90 pingjockey

I just paid a $35.00 co-pay to get The Kid's spider bite seen about. (I'm keeping an eye on it to make sure it was not a brown recluse but all indications seem that it was not.)

101 Desert Dog  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:56:23pm

re: #89 Born Again Republican

Interesting! Think I'll ask in a liberal group and see what they can offer.

If you want to know what they stand for and what they believe. Go see their blogs. FireDogLake, KOS, Huffpo, DU. It'll open your eyes. I go over and read those all the time, just so I can reassure myself my core beliefs are solid.

102 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:56:31pm

re: #96 capitalist piglet

I'd take that with a grain of salt. Everybody is full of shit and there aren't really any good guys in this situation.

103 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:56:36pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

I've done it with a dead body, and it really freaks the driver out. When he gets out of the car, thinking that he just ran someone over, then you pull the body off the road with a rope attached to his big toe, and the driver can't find him. Lot's of fun.

/

I don't know which one is sicker: you for posting that or me for laughing.

104 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:56:44pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

is there anyone else out there who is looking forward to seeing how the UAW runs an auto company when they are also in the management position? unions have always taken, taken, and taken some more. But now that they are also responsible for the bottom line, they will be in for a rude awakening. And the repubs need to make sure that the President does not just keep pouring our tax $$ into a company if the UAW shows it is not capable of making a profit.

I think in a way, Obama may be giving the union some rope to hang itself with. But the Repubs need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he doesn't just keep subsidizing UAW sloth if they can't make a profit.

I am going to be watching this very closely.

Hopefully they can do that.

105 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:57:07pm

re: #97 bungie

I have also been amazed at the lack of response in Washington, in the media, and even on the internet. In the real world, at least where I live (where it is 90 degrees and raining pollen, forgive my digression), people are incensed and scared. They feel that they are losing control over their lives and fortunes.

It's because all these industries and business' who are being help, bailout, fucked and stuff, give money to ALL the parties, Dems and Repubs, and no one in Washington dare to upset that little wishing well.

106 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:57:33pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I'd take that with a grain of salt. Everybody is full of shit and there aren't really any good guys in this situation.

Well, I know you would. ; )

107 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:57:39pm

re: #103 MandyManners

I don't know which one is sicker: you for posting that or me for laughing.

I had a hard time reading past " I've done it with a dead body"

that was enough for me

108 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:57:46pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

I've done it with a dead body, and it really freaks the driver out. When he gets out of the car, thinking that he just ran someone over, then you pull the body off the road with a rope attached to his big toe, and the driver can't find him. Lot's of fun.

/

Also, throw a few fake dollar bills around the body. ;)

109 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:58:04pm

re: #100 MandyManners
The insurance we have now is a 20 buck co pay. I don't mind the co pay. IIRC, the figure I've heard if you want to buy your own health insurance is 2k a month for a family of 5, but I have no idea if that is accurate or hyperbole.

110 big steve  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:58:09pm

re: #100 MandyManners

I just paid a $35.00 co-pay to get The Kid's spider bite seen about. (I'm keeping an eye on it to make sure it was not a brown recluse but all indications seem that it was not.)

I got a spider bite when I was 12 that grew and grew and grew and eventually I had to have a large, black area about the size of a quarter sliced out of my lower leg.......so keep an eye on it.

111 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:58:10pm

Don't forget the LGF Cookbook needs recipes, gardening tips and funny comments.

112 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:58:27pm

re: #103 MandyManners

I don't know which one is sicker: you for posting that or me for laughing.

Ah, you, cause you up dinged me. LOL.

113 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:58:40pm

re: #100 MandyManners
Damn spider bites. Glad your kid is okay.

114 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:58:43pm

re: #100 MandyManners

I just paid a $35.00 co-pay to get The Kid's spider bite seen about. (I'm keeping an eye on it to make sure it was not a brown recluse but all indications seem that it was not.)

watch it to see if it turns into a MRSA abcess

115 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:15pm

re: #109 pingjockey

The insurance we have now is a 20 buck co pay. I don't mind the co pay. IIRC, the figure I've heard if you want to buy your own health insurance is 2k a month for a family of 5, but I have no idea if that is accurate or hyperbole.

I pay $50.00/mo. for his.

116 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:15pm

How do you know it was a spider bite?

117 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:22pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

Don't forget the LGF Cookbook needs recipes, gardening tips and funny comments.

Thanks, Shar.
And folks, please send things in otherwise SHARMUTA WILL YELL AT YOU.

118 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:30pm

re: #110 big steve

I got a spider bite when I was 12 that grew and grew and grew and eventually I had to have a large, black area about the size of a quarter sliced out of my lower leg.......so keep an eye on it.

Was that a recluse bite?

119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:34pm

re: #60 Soona'

BignJames asked me if I knew how to play hubcap. No, I don't know how to play "hubcap".

And you in return asked a question in such a manner as to indicate you were unfamiliar with the concept of what a hubcap is:

re: #49 Soona'

No. But I'll bite. What's "hubcap"?

Now if you had asked "what is this hubcap game?", then I would not have been confused. ;)

120 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:43pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton
You, sir are sick. I like it.

121 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 2:59:58pm

re: #109 pingjockey

The insurance we have now is a 20 buck co pay. I don't mind the co pay. IIRC, the figure I've heard if you want to buy your own health insurance is 2k a month for a family of 5, but I have no idea if that is accurate or hyperbole.

That sounds about right to me. I buy my own.

122 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:01pm

re: #99 capitalist piglet

I am!


we will prevail!

123 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #70 pingjockey

Yep.I couldn't believe the retirement packages the UAW got. 80% of their pay, full medical. You retire from the US military, it's 50% of your Base pay, and if you want your free medical, you better retire someplace with a military base. If you are not disabled or tottaly broke, the VA WILL NOT help you.

The absolute sense of entitlement possessed by these UAW bloodsuckers members is truly remarkable. And of course they will now be paid with taxpayer money so it will be even easier for them to extort be paid from their fellow citizens - LEGALLY OF COURSE - thanks to the devil-may-care Obama administration.

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #95 pingjockey

Then I would've had a job! Heh.

Job!?! The only word in the English language worse than work! ;)

125 MandyManners  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:18pm

We're going out to eat. Have a good evening, folks.

126 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:29pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

I won't be including my indoor aeroponics in the gardening section. Short term results were amazing but there are long term problems. My regular garden article should be done soon, I had a really busy week.

127 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:41pm

re: #100 MandyManners


hope he's OK

128 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:47pm

re: #115 MandyManners
That is great. I think mine and the 3 boys is 140 a month. Through work.

129 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:12pm

re: #96 capitalist piglet

The hedge funds and the UAW deserve each other.

130 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #110 big steve

I got a spider bite when I was 12 that grew and grew and grew and eventually I had to have a large, black area about the size of a quarter sliced out of my lower leg.......so keep an eye on it.

It was from a tarantula wasn't it? I knew all of you were lying to me a few days ago. :p

131 BignJames  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:16pm

re: #119 FurryOldGuyJeans

Now if you had asked "what is this hubcap game?", then I would not have been confused. ;)


Ha! Your nic implies that you're always confused.

132 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:36pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I pay $50.00/mo. for his.

For health insurance?

/how does that work?

133 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:47pm

re: #125 MandyManners
You too!

134 Desert Dog  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:57pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

One of the core problems is that there's been an unhealthy relationship between CEO's, shareholders and unions in corporate America. Some banks have been allowed to return TARP money. Others are going to have to raise more capital first. The Reason why Obama is refusing to let some banks pay is because the CEO's might want to get back to collecting their outrageous salaries while running their companies into the ground. In some cases they aren't really concerned with making a profit for the company. They're just milking the company for personal gain. Unfortunately we need the banks. Our economy can't function without them.
The car companies can fail and the country would survive just fine. The banks' survival is essential.

I would say that CEO's have been detached from reality for a while now. It used to be if you ran a company off a cliff, you went over-board with it. Your pay was tied to your performance. Somewhere along the way, these fatcats decided that it did not matter how the company was doing, what matter most was that they all got huge-ass salaries.

I am all in favor of people making money. I am just a little amazed that these guys get so much reward when the companies they are running are failing. I own a small business, if I do a bad job, I do not get a paycheck, let alone an obscenely inappropriate one.

I think alot of these guys are turning the TARP money back for the reason you list....they want to continue to plunder without interference. Too many strings tied to the government money.

135 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:02:18pm

re: #119 FurryOldGuyJeans

Now if you had asked "what is this hubcap game?", then I would not have been confused. ;)

Picky. Picky. Picky.

136 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:03:08pm

re: #122 _RememberTonyC

we will prevail!

Though Boston practically owns professional sports these days, I'm in! : ) GO CELTS!

137 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:03:12pm

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans
I figure in 20 years, when I'm 70, I'll be able to retire to being a Wal Mart greeter. "Welcome to Wal Mart. Git yer shit and git out!"

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:03:34pm

re: #97 bungie

I have also been amazed at the lack of response in Washington, in the media, and even on the internet. In the real world, at least where I live (where it is 90 degrees and raining pollen, forgive my digression), people are incensed and scared. They feel that they are losing control over their lives and fortunes.

This won't generate any real response because this is just what the left wants, a takeover by government fiat. And we have dick-covering apologists coming here telling us we are all wrong and our eyes are lying to us for noticing what we do see.

139 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:03:48pm

re: #137 pingjockey

I figure in 20 years, when I'm 70, I'll be able to retire to being a Wal Mart greeter. "Welcome to Wal Mart. Git yer shit and git out!"

I want to be Andy Rooney.

140 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #129 funky chicken

The hedge funds and the UAW deserve each other.

Perhaps, but no one deserves having the White House threatening to unleash the media on them.

141 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:04:02pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

No problem, Hon. I'm working on sending you another recipe as we speak.

142 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #122 _RememberTonyC

Congratulations on your first 'Sharmuta-unit' (1.000 Karma) reached mine two days ago.
How do you feel about it, matured a bit?

143 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:04:14pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton
Do you have the eyebrows for it?

144 Pupdawg  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:04:20pm

re: #17 _RememberTonyC

my karma # is at 999 ...

...my karma is so low it couldn't sutra anyone.

145 Desert Dog  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:04:22pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Thanks, Shar.
And folks, please send things in otherwise SHARMUTA WILL YELL AT YOU.

She'll break out the cannibal recipes from Papua Guinea.

I would not enjoy that, I'd guess we taste like pate (aka dog food)

146 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:04:40pm

re: #123 Spare O'Lake

The absolute sense of entitlement possessed by these UAW bloodsuckers members is truly remarkable. And of course they will now be paid with taxpayer money so it will be even easier for them to extort be paid from their fellow citizens - LEGALLY OF COURSE - thanks to the devil-may-care Obama administration.

A bunch of rascals they are.

147 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:05:01pm

re: #143 pingjockey

Do you have the eyebrows for it?

Stop the cameras.... makeup!

148 iLikeCandy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:05:14pm

Does anyone know of a source or site like "The Current Mess for Dummies" where I can start from scratch and learn about the GM-Chrysler-hedge funds-toxic assets-TARP-Federal Reserve-Chapter 11-Chapter 7-bond holders-UAW-pension funds-high finance- bank nationalizing whole thing? All I know about economics is free markets good, government control bad.

149 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #146 Soona'
rascals = rat bastards

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:05:22pm

re: #123 Spare O'Lake

The absolute sense of entitlement possessed by these UAW bloodsuckers members is truly remarkable. And of course they will now be paid with taxpayer money so it will be even easier for them to extort be paid from their fellow citizens - LEGALLY OF COURSE - thanks to the devil-may-care Obama administration.

We had one member here a while back that got seriously pissed at me for suggesting even remotely he wasn't entitled to everything and more that he could get from the company he worked for, or from the government.

151 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:03pm

re: #109 pingjockey

The insurance we have now is a 20 buck co pay. I don't mind the co pay. IIRC, the figure I've heard if you want to buy your own health insurance is 2k a month for a family of 5, but I have no idea if that is accurate or hyperbole.

It is 1400.00/month for hubby and I and neither one of us has any major health concerns. The deductible is 5k. He is in his early 50's and I am in my late 40's. Talk about moola-----

152 NYCHardhat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:06pm

re: #144 Pupdawg

...my karma is so low it couldn't sutra anyone.

You just started there. It will build up fast you'll see. Unless your Sharmuta who seems to be the very definition of karma.

153 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I want to be Andy Rooney.

I thought you were!

154 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:30pm

The tiny guys are getting ready to ride the big animals around the oval thing.

155 bungie  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:41pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately we need the banks. Our economy can't function without them.
The car companies can fail and the country would survive just fine. The banks' survival is essential.

Sounds vaguely familiar and like a slippery slope to me. In other words, whatever, "we" need, "we" can take over.

On another point, Obama wouldn't let Wells Fargo pay back TARP money even though they were well able. Are you trying to say that wasn't about maintaining inappropriate government control?

I've worked for the government for 32 years, I don't know why y'all think that the government taking something over means it is going to be run better.

156 big steve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:45pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Was that a recluse bite?

No....Recluses inject you with a blood poison and you get very sick very fast. Mine was thought to be a wolf spider which is not poisonous but it got infected. People worry about poisonous spiders like recluses and black widows but all spiders bite and many non poisonous ones have proteins in their bite so while not a blood poison that will make you sick or die, they can keep the tissue surrounding the bite from healing and thus risk of infection is higher. The fact that you took him right it, probably eliminates this worry completely in that they would have cleaned it and put antibiotics on it. Mine happened while playing flag football in a meadow and failed to tell anyone about it for several days until it was a big ugly mess. My mother still reminds me of this and I am 53 years old.

157 Empire1  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:49pm

Um, could someone who can get the Kentucky Derby please keep us posted? I've got satellite, but we don't get the "Local Channels" package.

158 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #151 summergurl
That is just crazy.

159 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:06:55pm

re: #141 Sharmuta

No problem, Hon. I'm working on sending you another recipe as we speak.

where do we send it?...to the cookbook page?....I have a dip I'd like to submit

160 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:07:16pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I want to be Andy Rooney.

Just throw away all scissors and trimmers in your house and you will on your way. That man has alot of stray hairs.

161 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:07:33pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

Stop the cameras.... makeup!

Walter! I finished Season 4!

162 MacDuff  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

There is a LOT going on lately, and I see it all as a grab to a soft nationalization of American businesses. This stuff with the UAW is simply a way for the UAW to be TOTALLY in debt to the administration. They are not going to be able to make a move without being scrutinized by the government.

These "test" (I forgot what the administration is calling them) of 19 major banks, telling the banks if the GOVERNMENT thinks that they are undercapitalized. Since when does the government TELL a private industry if they should or should not have more operating funds.

The administration refusing paybacks of TARP money. What the fuck is that all about. It's about keeping the business under the thumb of the government.

The government involving itself with the Chrysler bankruptcy and arranging a sale to Fiat. How does that work? And what is Fiat/Chrysler going to owe the government after that. Is Obama going to force them to make a certain kind of car.

All this and more is unprecedented. It's pure SS (Soft Socialism). There's some deep shit coming down here, and who is trying to stop it. Do you hear any outrage from Republican politicians. A big Noooooooo on that.

Alas, "Never let a good crisis go to waste" seems to be the motto of this administration. This country has changed so dramatically in such a short period of time, it's breathtaking. I fear that if this keeps up apace, we may well not recognize this country before it's over.

The Republican passivity in the face of all of this is very disheartening, they seem neutered and unwilling to assume the role of the Loyal Opposition. When will someone stand up and confront this madness?

163 JustMyView  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:07:52pm

re: #61 Born Again Republican

Where would one read and learn about liberal philosophy? For example, conservatives have Heritage or Cato, etc.

An analogous organization would be the Center for American Progress. It's a think tank like Cato and Heritage, but w/ a progressive orientation. Has not been in business as long though, so it's not as well known or, probably, as mature as an organization.

164 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:08:02pm

re: #157 Empire1
The jockeys are just on their way out. 10 minutes at least till post.

165 eon  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:08:06pm

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans

You think the union leaders really give a crap about the workers they are supposed to represent? They are only concerned about staying in power.

We sure are stating the obvious, ain't we?

Good afternoon, Lizards.

As things are shaking out, I expect Chrysler (what's left of it) to go full chapter 13 within 18 months at the most, and if GM is forced to eat a similar crap sandwich by The One they'll do likewise.

The basic "deal" is that with UAW running Chrysler, the company's first priority is to maintain all union contract obligations. That means pay union wages (including the increasing number of "Job Bank Boys"- who are available for Rent-A-Mob duty as the Democratic Party requires them), pay all retiree benefits, etc..

Whether they actually make sales of their cars or not.

The question of "If the company can't sell what it makes, what will it pay the union with?" has simply not been asked. And "taxpayers' money" isn't the answer. Simply put, every time more money is taken as taxes and given to the UAW Chrysler as a "bailout", that's that much less available for the purchase of the company's wares. The result is that the company will either have to cut prices and raise production (unlikely given the available resources), or try to make a killing on every single car (by raising the price per unit).

The latter is the method most often seen in Europe. The inevitable result is a decreasing number of available wares (the cars) that are increasingly expensive, being "chased" by fewer and fewer buyers (because fewer people have the available discretionary income to buy them). It's commonly called "boutique commerce" in "intellectual" circles, and is favored because then the possession of the product becomes a privilege of the well-to-do and "connected", and thus a mark of social distinction.

There's also a term for this in macroeconomics. It's called stagflation. It's what the U.S. got hit with under Jimmy Carter. (Also known as an "economic death spiral" that we barely pulled out of in time.)

The "Progressive" crowd have never learned the basic lesson of socialism. That being "If the cow doesn't give milk, shooting it doesn't improve matters".

Chrysler is officially a dead cow. The UAW and The One's minions, good little socialists all, just haven't realized it yet. (Well, except maybe for some of the loopier "Gaia-worshipers" who are probably high-fiving each other right now, and drawing a bead on GM.)

On the plus side, I expect reality to set in with a vengeance right about mid-October of 2010. It will be interesting to see exactly how The One's new press secretary tries to spin it- and what his or her RPM will be.

/I expect Gibbs to be gone about mid-summer of this year- and no NCIS jokes, I'm not talkin' about Jethro.

cheers

eon

166 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:08:12pm

re: #159 albusteve

Reine's contact information can be found at the Cookbook site.

167 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:08:13pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I'd take that with a grain of salt. Everybody is full of shit and there aren't really any good guys in this situation.

You might want to start watching your sodium intake.

168 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:08:33pm

Can you say "the American Idolization of health issues?"

"Mexican Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova told the BBC that, based on samples tested, the mortality rate was comparable with that of seasonal flu."

It's a two week news cycle for the Flu of the Americas (TM 2009 WLN) and you won't see this anymore. Watch.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

169 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:10pm

re: #158 pingjockey

That is just crazy.


Tell me about - Hubby works for a small company that can't afford insurance so we are self insured. No wonder so many younger people opt not to be insured and then utilize walk in medical clinics for heatlh care. They gamble though that they don't get in an accident or be diagnosed with anything worse than a cold or virus.

170 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:15pm

re: #144 Pupdawg

...my karma is so low it couldn't sutra anyone.

It helps when a bit of attention is paid to its growth. ;)

171 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

Reine's contact information can be found at the Cookbook site.

yes, thank you

172 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:23pm

re: #144 Pupdawg

...my karma is so low it couldn't sutra anyone.

Well, well Pupdawg easy it'll develop all by itself. You are well on your way. ;-)

173 NYCHardhat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:53pm

re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans

It helps when a bit of attention is paid to its growth. ;)

Yeah. That too.

174 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:54pm

re: #148 iLikeCandy
This one is pretty good....
Economic Crisis Explained

It's a little technical but still pretty basic. More importantly, it's fairly accurate.

175 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:59pm

re: #159 albusteve

where do we send it?...to the cookbook page?....I have a dip I'd like to submit

Steve, you can't be submitting chew to a cook book.

176 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:10:57pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

is there anyone else out there who is looking forward to seeing how the UAW runs an auto company when they are also in the management position? unions have always taken, taken, and taken some more. But now that they are also responsible for the bottom line, they will be in for a rude awakening. And the repubs need to make sure that the President does not just keep pouring our tax $$ into a company if the UAW shows it is not capable of making a profit.

I think in a way, Obama may be giving the union some rope to hang itself with. But the Repubs need to hold his feet to the fire and make sure he doesn't just keep subsidizing UAW sloth if they can't make a profit.

I am going to be watching this very closely.

RTC -

Unions on the Board of Directors of Auto Companies is the norm in Europe. Of itself, Not a Problem. I DO quibble about the share the UAW got of Chrysler - TOO MUCH in my view - a political rather than economic solution for sure.
Put that all to one side. My question is - what Chrysler Product would YOU willingly and voluntarily buy today? For my needs, there are NONE, for my wants, the Challenger, 300C and Ram Pickup could work. Not enough, I think, to keep an auto company in business. Unless there is a world beater in the pipeline or the FIAT portfolio - seems to me we are merely prolonging the agony of a dying patient. I say this with the utmost sorrow being ex-UAW and a "Mo-Par" fan.

-S-

177 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #161 OldLineTexan

Walter! I finished Season 4!

And what do you think?

And you know you can catch up with season 5 by watching online at ABC, for free. Maybe you could do that in the next two weeks and then watch the season closer on the 13th of May. Two hour closer called "The Incident."

178 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:11:15pm

re: #159 albusteve

where do we send it?...to the cookbook page?....I have a dip I'd like to submit

What's his name?
//couldn't help it

179 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:11:17pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Steve, you can't be submitting chew to a cook book.

hey..I have STYLE!

180 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:11:20pm

re: #165 eon

You talk reality, the administration and UAW talks hope and change. They will continue doing what they are doing until voted out of office or the economy goes bust.

181 big steve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:12:00pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Can you say "the American Idolization of health issues?"

"Mexican Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova told the BBC that, based on samples tested, the mortality rate was comparable with that of seasonal flu."

It's a two week news cycle for the Flu of the Americas (TM 2009 WLN) and you won't see this anymore. Watch.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Boy do I agree with you on this. I am on a local school board and we just got word that the Governor of Texas is going to have a conference call with all districts on Monday and tell us that we have ONE case of H1N1 in our district we have to close for 10 days. For us this is very bad because we already lost 10 school days due to Hurricane Ike. So far no cases in our district but I guess once your elected officials wig out, you can't do anything else but follow their lead or else the litigation chances become too painful

182 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:12:04pm

I'm officially, terribly embarrassed. I must not piss anyone off! I just checked my karma. 'Tis to blush.
Riders up!

183 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:12:15pm

re: #179 albusteve

hey..I have STYLE!

You got my joke, right? Dip/chew, I lived in Texas too long.

184 wiffersnapper  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:12:24pm

Go Dunkirk!

185 Empire1  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:12:37pm

re: #164 pingjockey

The jockeys are just on their way out. 10 minutes at least till post.

Thanks! I'm sure it'll show up on some channel I do get later, but I like to know the winner right away, for some odd reason ...

186 Shay4l  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:12:58pm

re: #137 pingjockey

I figure in 20 years, when I'm 70, I'll be able to retire to being a Wal Mart greeter. "Welcome to Wal Mart. Git yer shit and git out!"

you'll be a hit with the male half of the population.

187 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:13:01pm

re: #185 Empire1
Jockeys up now

188 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #178 Soona'

What's his name?
//couldn't help it

there is no category for dips....therefore I will submit one

189 pdx_skeptic  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:13:25pm

This is my first time posting but just had to mention how funny it was to see a Muslim dating site advertised here @ LGF. I think it was PETA that once had a google ad for pork chops ....mmmmm pork chops

190 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:13:45pm

re: #186 Shay4l
Stole that line from Walter, one of Jeff Dunhams characters.

191 Bloodnok  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:13:53pm

re: #187 pingjockey

Jockeys up now

Put a double on the quinella! Quick! I don't even know what that means, but do it!

192 iLikeCandy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:14:12pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

This one is pretty good....
Economic Crisis Explained

It's a little technical but still pretty basic. More importantly, it's fairly accurate.

If it's even a little technical then I'm probably doomed, but thanks; I'll give it a try.

193 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

You got my joke, right? Dip/chew, I lived in Texas too long.

zat that crap under yer lip?...what's wrong wi chew?

194 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #162 MacDuff

Alas, "Never let a good crisis go to waste" seems to be the motto of this administration. This country has changed so dramatically in such a short period of time, it's breathtaking. I fear that if this keeps up apace, we may well not recognize this country before it's over.

The Republican passivity in the face of all of this is very disheartening, they seem neutered and unwilling to assume the role of the Loyal Opposition. When will someone stand up and confront this madness?

The Repubs just don't have the numbers in congress to control it. I would like to hear more verbal rebuttals from the Repubs, though.

195 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:14:34pm

re: #189 pdx_skeptic

This is my first time posting but just had to mention how funny it was to see a Muslim dating site advertised here @ LGF. I think it was PETA that once had a google ad for pork chops ....mmmmm pork chops

As mentioned above (someone else asked this question) the ads are generated by keywords on the page, not by the political bent of the website. Google feeds those ads to LGF.

196 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:14:52pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

And what do you think?

And you know you can catch up with season 5 by watching online at ABC, for free. Maybe you could do that in the next two weeks and then watch the season closer on the 13th of May. Two hour closer called "The Incident."

I am sad for Jack; I do not like junkie Jack. I am still having trouble figuring out Claire. Other than that, I have to say out of four seasons maybe 2-3 episodes failed to grab me ... an impressive ratio. And they threw in a few "easy" ones for me once in a while, too.

And I may just have to watch online ... my portable has HDMI, so I can hook it to one TV in the house.

197 Jack Burton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:15:26pm

re: #137 pingjockey

I figure in 20 years, when I'm 70, I'll be able to retire to being a Wal Mart greeter. "Welcome to Wal Mart. Git yer shit and git out!"

If a Wal-Mart greeter said that to me, I think I might tip him.

198 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:15:27pm

re: #190 pingjockey

Stole that line from Walter, one of Jeff Dunhams characters.

You know, I've tried to get a lawsuit together against Dunham. He stole that character. It's based on me.
/

199 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:15:44pm

re: #194 Soona'

Coherent, logical, well thought out rebuttals in plain English. Which haven't happened, or not much.

200 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:15:44pm

A bunch of drunks singin' My Old Kentucky Home

201 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:15:59pm

re: #189 pdx_skeptic

This is my first time posting but just had to mention how funny it was to see a Muslim dating site advertised here @ LGF. I think it was PETA that once had a google ad for pork chops ....mmmmm pork chops

Not a bad first post, talking about People Eating Tasty Animals, if only a tad late. Welcome. :)

202 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

You got my joke, right? Dip/chew, I lived in Texas too long.

That is impossible.

203 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:16:19pm

re: #198 Walter L. Newton
I knew you were gonna say that!

204 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:16:38pm

re: #189 pdx_skeptic

This is my first time posting but just had to mention how funny it was to see a Muslim dating site advertised here @ LGF. I think it was PETA that once had a google ad for pork chops ....mmmmm pork chops

What Walter said.

205 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:17:06pm

re: #200 spinmore

Wait . . . No National Anthem (did I miss it?)

206 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:17:11pm

re: #197 ArchangelMichael

If a Wal-Mart greeter said that to me, I think I might tip him.

Better to tip a cow. ;)

207 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

As mentioned above (someone else asked this question) the ads are generated by keywords on the page, not by the political bent of the website. Google feeds those ads to LGF.

I got endless shoes and handbags, a couple of wives (to use the former), and FREE NEWT (whatever in Hell that is) on the way!

/splurge

208 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:17:47pm

I am wearing an ATF shirt.....Alcohol Tobacco Firearms should be a convience store, not a federal agency.

209 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:17:57pm

re: #202 OldLineTexan

That is impossible.

Yew Norker probly

210 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:16pm

re: #205 spinmore
Must've been done earlier.

211 Bloodnok  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #205 spinmore

Wait . . . No National Anthem (did I miss it?)

In honor of the occasion they could sing A-mare-ica the Beautiful.

212 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:32pm

I'm always entertained by race horse names.

213 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:37pm

Obama angers hedge funds

Hedge funds and investment managers were irate at Obama’s description of them as “speculators” who were “refusing to sacrifice like everyone else” and who wanted “to hold out for the prospect of an unjustified taxpayer-funded bailout.”

“Some of the characterizations that were used … to refer to us as speculators or to say we’re looking for a bailout is really unfair,” said one executive who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. “What we’re looking for is a reasonable payout on the value of the debt … more in line with what unions and Fiat were getting.”

George Schultze, managing member of the hedge fund Schultze Asset Management, a Chrysler bondholder, said, “We are simply seeking to enforce our bargained-for rights under well-settled law.”

“Hopefully, the bankruptcy process will help refocus on this issue rather than on pointing fingers at lenders.”

/60 days my ass

214 Desert Dog  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:38pm

re: #148 iLikeCandy

Does anyone know of a source or site like "The Current Mess for Dummies" where I can start from scratch and learn about the GM-Chrysler-hedge funds-toxic assets-TARP-Federal Reserve-Chapter 11-Chapter 7-bond holders-UAW-pension funds-high finance- bank nationalizing whole thing? All I know about economics is free markets good, government control bad.

Start with reading up on the CRA

Then read up on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

Add in a little ACORN and some Barney Frank and Chris Dodd

And finally, some SubPrime Mortgage Crisis

And there you are.

It's all Wiki, so check the facts.

In a nutshell. They passed the CRA so more people could own a home. The problem is they gave loans to people that could not afford them. Then, you add in groups like ACORN that threatened banks to make these loans. Added to that, powerful Democrats (and some Republicans too) did all they could to encourage these loans. Most of them ended up under the control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They then packaged up these loans into instruments and sold them off to other banks. When the housing market started booming, the loans did well....paid out high rates of return. When the bubble finally popped.....it took entire banks and investment houses down with it.

Good intentions, wrapped up with suspect lending, mixed with partisan politics, aided by a housing boom and all played out by banks and investment companies looking to make a killing. Then, reality set in and the entire house of cards collapsed.

The car companies are a different story. They are slaves to their former workers. Every car rolling off the assembly lines in Detroit and other places has almost $2000 built in to pay the healthcare and retirement of workers that are not even there any longer. The Unions asked for too much, the car companies gave it to them, and then could not produce the vehicles necessary to compete. That was a fantasy world too.....unsustainable
I think that is what happened. Someone with actual financial knowledge might know better.....

215 NYCHardhat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:46pm

re: #208 pingjockey

I am wearing an ATF shirt.....Alcohol Tobacco Firearms should be a convience store, not a federal agency.

I have one as well. In parenthesis it says (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms... Who is bringing the chips.)

Kinda corny, but I like it.

216 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:18:53pm

I'm rooting for Chocolate Candy!

217 Empire1  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #208 pingjockey

I am wearing an ATF shirt.....Alcohol Tobacco Firearms should be a convience store, not a federal agency.

Agreed!

218 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #202 OldLineTexan

That is impossible.

I was there from 1974 to 1989. Live in Dallas, Mesquite, Richardson, and then Houston.

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:07pm

re: #182 pingjockey

I'm officially, terribly embarrassed. I must not piss anyone off! I just checked my karma. 'Tis to blush.
Riders up!

Gosh! Can't have you blushing!
Post something. ... Anything. ...
*evil grin*

/

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:16pm

re: #202 OldLineTexan

That is impossible.

Be 5 seconds in a moonbat city and you've lived there too long.

221 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:18pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

I'm rooting for Chocolate Candy!

Oh- and I hope the horse with that name wins too.

222 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #209 albusteve

Yew Norker probly

Nah, Walter has been all over.

223 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:24pm

re: #192 iLikeCandy

Here we go.....
Crisis of Credit

It doesn't get much more basic than this.

224 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:29pm

re: #208 pingjockey

I am wearing an ATF shirt.....Alcohol Tobacco Firearms should be a convience store, not a federal agency.

pingjockey -

Cleaning a bit of my dinner off my computer screen after reading that one.

-S-

225 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:53pm

re: #215 NYCHardhat
That'll work!

226 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:58pm

re: #222 OldLineTexan

Nah, Walter has been all over.

But he's right, born in Brooklyn New York.

227 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:59pm

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

I was there from 1974 to 1989. Live in Dallas, Mesquite, Richardson, and then Houston.

See, that wasn't too long at all. It's impossible to live in Texas too long.

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:20:15pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

I'm rooting for Chocolate Candy!

You talking about porn stars again?!?

229 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:20:25pm

re: #222 OldLineTexan

Nah, Walter has been all over.

he's a Norker...he's guilty

230 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:20:54pm

re: #227 OldLineTexan

See, that wasn't too long at all. It's impossible to live in Texas too long.

I had three wife's there.

231 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:20:59pm

re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans

Be 5 seconds in a moonbat city and you've lived there too long.

We got Austin, but there's a bad spot on any apple.

/

232 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:21:05pm

re: #210 pingjockey

I guess. Certainly no fly-over.
Imagine a cool fly-over would spook the horses . . . and all the Hollywood types that flock to the Derby

233 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:21:24pm

re: #224 Dr. Shalit
Web site...Those shirts, they've got a bunch of non-pc shit. My other favorite is a picture of Che' with the red circle/slash says "commies aren't cool".

234 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:21:25pm

re: #200 spinmore

A bunch of drunks singin' My Old Kentucky Home

Where's Jim. Oh yeah. He's dead isn't he?

235 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Here we go.....
Crisis of Credit

It doesn't get much more basic than this.

Wow. That's actually really good.

236 Pupdawg  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:21:43pm

re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans

It helps when a bit of attention is paid to its growth. ;)

That's the problem...no to slow growth and nobody would be watching anyway. :-(

237 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:02pm

Ok

Leaving again, I already did my set up at the theatre, but got to go back, need to stop at Safeway and get a salad or something for supper.

All you have a good night, see you later.

238 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:25pm

re: #231 OldLineTexan

We got Austin, but there's a bad spot on any apple.

/

I like Austin...the bats don't bother me none...they don't even know they live in Texas...they think they are somewhere else

239 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:30pm

gimme a 2$ trifecta

Pioneerof the Nile
Musket Man
Hold me back

240 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:32pm

re: #232 spinmore
They probably did all that way earlier. Coverage started at like noon PDT.

241 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:36pm

re: #233 pingjockey

Web site...Those shirts, they've got a bunch of non-pc shit. My other favorite is a picture of Che' with the red circle/slash says "commies aren't cool".

pingjockey -

I like the "Join the Reagan Revolution" takeoff on the Korda Photo even better.

-S-

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:44pm

re: #231 OldLineTexan

We got Austin, but there's a bad spot on any apple.

/

... and Bob Wills is still the King.

243 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:00pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I had three wife's there.

just like the song...heh

244 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:09pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton
Later Walter, have a good evening.

245 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:10pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I had three wife's there.

I liked that song you wrote. Good idea to put "Tennessee" in there and then live in Colorado. Throws 'em off the scent.

/

246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:14pm

re: #231 OldLineTexan

We got Austin, but there's a bad spot on any apple.

/

There is only bad spot here in WA. Westerly we gots the Libs and Leftoids, Easterly we gots the Neo-Nazis, skinheads, and survivalists.

247 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:25pm

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

No- Chocolate Candy is a horse, and related to Seattle Slew.

248 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #214 Desert Dog

Start with reading up on the CRA

Then read up on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

Add in a little ACORN and some Barney Frank and Chris Dodd

And finally, some SubPrime Mortgage Crisis

And there you are.

It's all Wiki, so check the facts.

In a nutshell. They passed the CRA so more people could own a home. The problem is they gave loans to people that could not afford them. Then, you add in groups like ACORN that threatened banks to make these loans. Added to that, powerful Democrats (and some Republicans too) did all they could to encourage these loans. Most of them ended up under the control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They then packaged up these loans into instruments and sold them off to other banks. When the housing market started booming, the loans did well....paid out high rates of return. When the bubble finally popped.....it took entire banks and investment houses down with it.

Good intentions, wrapped up with suspect lending, mixed with partisan politics, aided by a housing boom and all played out by banks and investment companies looking to make a killing. Then, reality set in and the entire house of cards collapsed.

The car companies are a different story. They are slaves to their former workers. Every car rolling off the assembly lines in Detroit and other places has almost $2000 built in to pay the healthcare and retirement of workers that are not even there any longer. The Unions asked for too much, the car companies gave it to them, and then could not produce the vehicles necessary to compete. That was a fantasy world too.....unsustainable
I think that is what happened. Someone with actual financial knowledge might know better.....

That's it in a nutshell. The past deals both sides made were unsustainable.

249 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:37pm

re: #238 albusteve

I like Austin...the bats don't bother me none...they don't even know they live in Texas...they think they are somewhere else

Do you mean the real bats, or the moonbats?

250 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:50pm

Effin' NAPCAR is on tonight. That's gonna ruin my afternnoon nodoff tomorrow.

251 Randall Gross  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:55pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

I'm with you in the gov't stress tests being ridiculous, but actually there are plenty of laws on the books about capital vs loans vs banking reserve already. The Fed adjusts some of these, and individual states have laws as well for banks licensed in those states. Even mortgage co's have to have license, so the controls are already there. After this last black swan banks are well ahead of the Feds in doing their own stress testing. The market also takes care of those who don't reasonably follow basic balance sheet standards.

252 Pupdawg  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:24:01pm

re: #152 NYCHardhat

You just started there. It will build up fast you'll see. Unless your Sharmuta who seems to be the very definition of karma.

I wish I was Sharmuta...love Sharmuta's posts...instead more like Karman Geeka.

253 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:24:15pm

re: #236 Pupdawg

That's the problem...no to slow growth and nobody would be watching anyway. :-(

Keep flapping your gums and attention will be given. ;)

254 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:24:17pm

re: #239 Shug

gimme a 2$ trifecta

Pioneerof the Nile
Musket Man
Hold me back

I want Chocolate Candy! Oh- and the horse winning would make me chuckle.

255 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:24:24pm

Kentucky Derby pick -
#19 Desert Party

256 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:24:31pm

re: #241 Dr. Shalit
That is a classic. The better half stole that one. :( She also stole top 10 gun safety tips and top ten US military things.

257 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:03pm

re: #249 EmmmieG

Do you mean the real bats, or the moonbats?

yes...moonbats are like vampires

258 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:09pm

re: #247 Sharmuta

No- Chocolate Candy is a horse, and related to Seattle Slew.

Sure sounds like a porn star to me.

/ did I mention I don't get out much? ;)

259 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:11pm

re: #241 Dr. Shalit

pingjockey -

I like the "Join the Reagan Revolution" takeoff on the Korda Photo even better.

-S-

I am about to buy one of those but then I don't know if they deliver to Germany.
Did I mention that I need to get out of this place?

260 iLikeCandy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:13pm

re: #214 Desert Dog

Thanks.

261 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:19pm
262 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #239 Shug

gimme a 2$ trifecta

Pioneerof the Nile
Musket Man
Hold me back

/spend the extra $10 and box it, an exacta box would have a better chance of actually paying off

263 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #239 Shug

gimme a 2$ trifecta

Pioneerof the Nile
Musket Man
Hold me back


Is it boxed?

264 Bloodnok  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:36pm

During horse racing coverage Instead of riding alongside on another horse the TV interviewers should have to walk alongside on stilts. That would raise the entertainment value for me tenfold.

265 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:49pm

re: #247 Sharmuta
IIRC, Slew was the last Triple Crown winner. And I probably don't remember correctly!

266 iLikeCandy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:58pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Thanks again.

267 Pupdawg  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:25:59pm

re: #172 callahan23

Well, well Pupdawg easy it'll develop all by itself. You are well on your way. ;-)

...that's what my doctor says! :-0

268 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:26:31pm

re: #242 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... and Bob Wills is still the King.

If you like Bob, give the Quebe Sisters a listen.

I work with their uncle, they are fantastic.

269 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:26:35pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I had three wife's there.

Still looking for the 4th ex Mrs. Newton? ;)

/ proudly stolen from Jurassic Park.

270 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:26:54pm

re: #197 ArchangelMichael

If a Wal-Mart greeter said that to me, I think I might tip him.

A guy I know suggested to his older, newly-retired brother that he should become a Wal-Mart greeter to get away from his wife and meet other people.
Sensitive fellow.

271 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:07pm

Who is the commentator riding the horse?

272 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:43pm

I think "White House Intern" would be a funny race horse name.

273 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:51pm

re: #271 pingjockey

Who is the commentator riding the horse?

/Donna Barton

274 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:54pm

If you hear a gunshot.....my horse didn't win.

275 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:56pm

Never understood the jockey on the front lawn thang(?)

276 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:58pm

They're loading the horses into the gate now.

277 mikeymom  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:27:58pm

$5 on chocolate candy

278 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:06pm

Upset upset! Go Chocolate Candy!

279 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:19pm

re: #271 pingjockey

Who is the commentator riding the horse?

Is the horse pale? Rider wearing a dark cloak and carrying a sickle?

280 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:21pm

re: #267 Pupdawg

...that's what my doctor says! :-0

's what my psychiatrist says. %-0

281 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:30pm

re: #238 albusteve

I like Austin...the bats don't bother me none...they don't even know they live in Texas...they think they are somewhere else

That's the hippies and burnouts ... the moonbats know damned well where they are.

282 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:31pm

re: #277 mikeymom

$5 on chocolate candy

Oh, I spend a lot more than that ;)

283 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:41pm

No injuries!

284 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:48pm

Whoa, double posts
and they're off

285 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:29:23pm

re: #249 EmmmieG

Do you mean the real bats, or the moonbats?

I found out about six weeks ago that Austin is brimming with moonbats.

286 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:29:32pm

re: #259 callahan23

I am about to buy one of those but then I don't know if they deliver to Germany.
Did I mention that I need to get out of this place?

callahan23-

Cafe Press accepts payment in € - so I guess they WILL ship to Germany.

-S-

287 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:29:48pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

I think "White Hourse Intern" would be a funny race horse name.

How about that? A little nuanced.

288 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:30:03pm

re: #282 EmmmieG

Oh, I spend a lot more than that ;)

Hey! Look! The Goodrich Blimp!

*snags chocolates and boogies*

289 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:30:18pm

nothin like a horse race...you gotta see it to appreciate it...I go down to Ruidoso and watch the quarter horses run....it's pretty cool

290 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:30:18pm

Come on Chocolate Candy!

291 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:30:27pm

re: #268 OldLineTexan

If you like Bob, give the Quebe Sisters a listen.

I work with their uncle, they are fantastic.

*GRIN*
WOW!

292 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:30:35pm

re: #285 Soona'

I found out about six weeks ago that Austin is brimming with moonbats.


It has real bats, too. We went and saw the nightly bat flights when we lived there.

293 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:08pm

Wow- that was quite a convincing win.

294 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:16pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

I think "White House Intern" would be a funny race horse name.

The owner could give out cigars if it won.

295 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:21pm

50 to 1 shot

296 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:29pm

Mine That Bird- love that name.

297 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:34pm

re: #291 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*GRIN*
WOW!

Go buy their CDs. IIRC, the oldest sister is 23. These girls are going places.

298 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:34pm

Oh well.

/no Triple Crown this year

299 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:35pm

50-1 Mine that Bird!

300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:36pm

Holy carp! Must be a slow day. That, or the Lizards that usually type the really smart stuff are taking the day off.

I mean, how else could you explain why I am #1 in the top ten comments right now.

/somebody fix that

301 Bloodnok  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #293 Sharmuta

Wow- that was quite a convincing win.

By whom? (In a cafe, haven't watched)

302 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:41pm

re: #295 Shug

50 to 1 shot

Awesome. Love upset wins.

303 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:42pm

Gotta love an underdog win!

304 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:51pm

Mine That Bird!

50 to 1

Holy Shit! What an upset

305 Bloodnok  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:54pm

re: #301 Bloodnok

By whom? (In a cafe, haven't watched)

Ah. got it!

306 austin_blue  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:32:05pm

Wow. Huge upset at the derby.

307 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:32:07pm

The biggest upset since..........Upset

308 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:32:12pm

I'm clapping- love to see the underdogs pull 'em out.

309 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:32:36pm

re: #266 iLikeCandy

It's an excellent presentation. I was very impressed. It leaves a few things out but it's actually very good and easy to understand. A lot of people are trying to push a politicized version of events and it's often hard to tell the truth with such a complex issue.

310 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:32:38pm

re: #292 EmmmieG

It has real bats, too. We went and saw the nightly bat flights when we lived there.

Saw that too.

311 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:32:50pm

The jockey is in tears. His mom and dad are gone.

312 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:07pm

another Barbaro?...he came outa nowhere and took the country by storm...what a story

313 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:27pm

re: #310 Soona'

Saw that too.

Well, I hope you got some Iron City Ribs.

314 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #310 Soona'
Bats are good. They eat lots of mosquitos.

315 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:41pm

Can't wait to see the replay.

316 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:56pm

He's crying cause he won't have to stand out front and hold a lantern anymore

317 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:56pm

re: #286 Dr. Shalit

Thank you, my main concern now how ever is to apply for a green card.

318 Pupdawg  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:34:30pm

re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans

Keep flapping your gums and attention will be given. ;)

LGF-Loquacious Gum Flappers?

319 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:34:51pm

re: #314 pingjockey

Bats are good. They eat lots of mosquitos.

pingjockey -

And maybe had a War fought over their POOP!

-S-

320 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:34:54pm

re: #316 spinmore

He's crying cause he won't have to stand out front and hold a lantern anymore

Or work his ass off as a hobbit "extra" in a Peter Jackson film.

321 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:34:58pm

There's an investment return. The winner cost $9500.

322 Empire1  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:01pm

OK, nice! Now how much did Mine That Bird win by? Someone said 'convincing' -- a length? More?

323 austin_blue  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:19pm

re: #310 Soona'

Hey, Soona'- this is a great place to live. Anti-idiotarian to the max, but with lots of local color.

"We're all here because we're not all there."

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:38pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy carp! Must be a slow day. That, or the Lizards that usually type the really smart stuff are taking the day off.

I mean, how else could you explain why I am #1 in the top ten comments right now.

/somebody fix that

It ain't that the really smart lizards aren't here, the discriminating updingers are on strike. ;)

325 summergurl  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:41pm

wow the horse came to the Derby in a pickup truck and was purchased for 9500.00!

Talk about the common horse winning..

He's the Joe the Plumber of horsedom..

326 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:48pm

re: #319 Dr. Shalit
I thought it was seabird poop. Used back when for making munitions.

327 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:49pm

re: #320 OldLineTexan
Funny stuff! LMAO

328 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:35:55pm

Casey's Shadow wins again

329 Bloodnok  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:09pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

It's an excellent presentation. I was very impressed. It leaves a few things out but it's actually very good and easy to understand. A lot of people are trying to push a politicized version of events and it's often hard to tell the truth with such a complex issue.

I'll have to look at it sometime. For the past few months I have really wanted to pin the whole thing on Democrats, but I just can't. There was too much going on. And while relaxed lending policies and lack of oversight were a big part of it, there was the whole apolitical issue of bundling and overvaluing of loans and Credit Default Swaps.

330 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:13pm

I could run Faster'nAllHell if they'd stud me out afterwards....

331 Shug  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:21pm

re: #322 Empire1

OK, nice! Now how much did Mine That Bird win by? Someone said 'convincing' -- a length? More?

10 lenghts...going away.

not even close

332 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:30pm

re: #322 Empire1
At least 3, maybe more.

333 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:36pm

re: #325 summergurl

wow the horse came to the Derby in a pickup truck and was purchased for 9500.00!

Talk about the common horse winning..

He's the Joe the Plumber of horsedom..

Right on! That's America, Baby!

334 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:36pm

re: #313 OldLineTexan

Well, I hope you got some Iron City Ribs.

Went to some famous burger joint away from downtown the first day, then a nice hotel restaurant near downtown, then a steak house that's near downtown also.

335 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #326 pingjockey

I thought it was seabird poop. Used back when for making munitions.

pingjockey -

It was - got you researching though, didn't I?

-S-

336 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:36:59pm

This is why betting on the Kentucky Derby is always a bad idea.

/give me those five horse fields at Canterbury

337 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:37:09pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

It's an excellent presentation. I was very impressed. It leaves a few things out but it's actually very good and easy to understand. A lot of people are trying to push a politicized version of events and it's often hard to tell the truth with such a complex issue.

Not complex when you boil it down to the government, both parties, set up the very mess they are trying to fix.

338 Empire1  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:37:37pm

re: #331 Shug

10 lenghts...going away.

not even close

WHOO! That's fantastic! Thanks for the info.

339 Pupdawg  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:37:49pm

re: #280 callahan23

's what my psychiatrist says. %-0

Much mo' better!

340 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:38:09pm

re: #331 Shug

10 lenghts...going away.

not even close

It was a blowout.

341 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:38:21pm

He should do a back-flip off the horse like that NASCAR dude

342 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:38:26pm

re: #335 Dr. Shalit
Nah. I'm absolutly full of useless stuff. Win at Trivial Pursuit, beat Trebecks ass nightly watching jeopardy. That kind of nonsense. Read too much, etc...

343 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:38:46pm

Dang. Went to mix a mint julep and missed the race.

Happens every year.

344 eon  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:38:50pm

re: #292 EmmmieG

It has real bats, too. We went and saw the nightly bat flights when we lived there.

In the Northeast (VA and PA) something is killing a lot of insect-eating bats, and that's not a good thing.

White Nose Syndrome- ABC News

It's probably gotten more attention locally, because farmers like bats- they keep the bug population down.

/As for me, I just think they're cute.

cheers

eon

345 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:01pm

Futurama:

Mr. & Mrs. Wong: Amy, we've just put our best jockey out to stud.
Jockey (to Amy): Hey baby, ever do it in a suitcase?

/

346 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:26pm

re: #345 OldLineTexan
Ahahaha!

347 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #343 Noam Sayin'

Dang. Went to mix a mint julep and missed the race.

Happens every year.

This is why God invented pitchers, Noam.

/

348 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:42pm

Drive by post here.

Wasn't this derby upset the greatest! They just drove him in yesterday with their horse trailer attached to their pickup. I'm loving it.

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:45pm

I can't decide which is worse about a hungry cat wanting to get fed:

1) howling and generally making a huge uproar so you go feed 'em just to shut it up, or

2) One that is patient and calm and just STARES at you without moving, purring LOUDLY.

350 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:51pm

re: #342 pingjockey

Nah. I'm absolutly full of useless stuff. Win at Trivial Pursuit, beat Trebecks ass nightly watching jeopardy. That kind of nonsense. Read too much, etc...

pingjockey -

Me too. Just thought that after making me clean my screen I would make you work too.

-S-

351 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #343 Noam Sayin'
Why anyone would spoil good Bourbon by putting mint in it is beyond me.

352 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:40:15pm

re: #323 austin_blue

Hey, Soona'- this is a great place to live. Anti-idiotarian to the max, but with lots of local color.

"We're all here because we're not all there."

I agree. We were there for the annual music festival you have there in March. It was my first time in Austin. I was impressed even with all the moonbats.

353 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:40:37pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

It's an excellent presentation. I was very impressed. It leaves a few things out but it's actually very good and easy to understand. A lot of people are trying to push a politicized version of events and it's often hard to tell the truth with such a complex issue.

That is pretty good. I may have to post that one...

354 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:40:53pm

Aww- he's not going to pet the horse?

355 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:40:56pm

re: #350 Dr. Shalit
You are a stinker! :)

356 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:41:46pm

re: #351 pingjockey

Why anyone would spoil good Bourbon by putting mint in it is beyond me.

That's what I'm starting to think.

Either I'm mixing it wrong, or this mint julep thing is over rated.

357 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:41:58pm

What about the fractions?

/plodding slow I'm guessing

358 Shay4l  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:42:09pm

Oh man! A CObwoys practice facility got destroyed by either high winds or small tornado outside Dallas. 5 people taken to the hospital. The rookies and draft picks were there with all the coaches.

359 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:42:13pm

re: #331 Shug

10 lenghts...going away.

not even close

I think the officials should check if the horse had the restricter plates removed.

360 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:42:27pm

re: #356 Noam Sayin'

That's what I'm starting to think.

Either I'm mixing it wrong, or this mint julep thing is over rated.

Could be both, ya know. ;)

361 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:43:06pm

Chocolate Candy came in 5th.

362 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #349 FurryOldGuyJeans

I can't decide which is worse about a hungry cat wanting to get fed:

1) howling and generally making a huge uproar so you go feed 'em just to shut it up, or

2) One that is patient and calm and just STARES at you without moving, purring LOUDLY.

One of my cats just hacked up a big hairball.

363 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:43:57pm

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeans
Did you ever read Hunter S. Thompsons story of when he covered the Derby? He's from Louisville and it is a riot.

364 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:44:32pm

re: #361 Sharmuta

Chocolate Candy came in 5th.

/in a race like this that actually pays something, for the owners

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:44:39pm

re: #297 OldLineTexan

Go buy their CDs. IIRC, the oldest sister is 23. These girls are going places.

There's a video there of one of the girls playing Sally Goodin ... and the video is from FOUR years ago. I'm on my third re-play. I'm hooked.

366 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:45:03pm

I saw a harness racer snake a 5 foot garden hose up a horses' nostril and pour what looked like 2 gallons of cake batter looking crap down it thru a funnel.
High-Octane, baby.

367 austin_blue  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:45:14pm

re: #352 Soona'

I agree. We were there for the annual music festival you have there in March. It was my first time in Austin. I was impressed even with all the moonbats.

The next time you come down for South by Southwest, stay at the Austin Motel on South Congress. Almost every one of the bands that comes to town will play at least three gigs outside of the official venues. It's one hell of an event.

And glad you liked Hut's. Great joint.

368 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:45:28pm

Meanwhile, I think I'm in love.

369 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:45:37pm
370 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:45:40pm

re: #351 pingjockey

Why anyone would spoil good Bourbon by putting mint in it is beyond me.

pingjockey -

We are sorta officially in a Recession. 'Til that cloud clears, Good Bourbon is a memory - a great one by the way. Cheap Vodka (Sub-Laird's, their Cheaper Label, "Sterling") is IN.

-S-

371 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:46:00pm

re: #358 Shay4l

Oh man! A CObwoys practice facility got destroyed by either high winds or small tornado outside Dallas. 5 people taken to the hospital. The rookies and draft picks were there with all the coaches.

5 serious 1 critical being reported now. That structure is naught but a big pup tent. This kind of thing should have been anticipated and practice abandoned.

372 JacksonTn  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:46:09pm

yeah man ... closed for the day ... beer all around ...

one my favorite girls ... I can never find good videos of her on youtube ...

373 pingjockey  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:46:27pm

BBL folks.

374 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:47:31pm

re: #136 capitalist piglet

Though Boston practically owns professional sports these days, I'm in! : ) GO CELTS!


true dat ... even the Bruins are really good ... unbelievable

375 quiet man  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:48:20pm

re: #366 SasquatchOnSteroids

I saw a harness racer snake a 5 foot garden hose up a horses' nostril and pour what looked like 2 gallons of cake batter looking crap down it thru a funnel.
High-Octane, baby.


It probably wasnt cake..but some sort of quick bread.

376 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:48:55pm

re: #142 callahan23

Congratulations on your first 'Sharmuta-unit' (1.000 Karma) reached mine two days ago.
How do you feel about it, matured a bit?


I feel like i lost my lizard cherry :)

377 Sharmuta  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:49:00pm

Watching the replay- what an incredible move and burst of speed. Just amazing.

I've missed the Derby for a couple of years in a row now, but I'm thrilled I got to see this one. Amazing.

378 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:49:06pm

re: #90 pingjockey

I was out of work, had a sty on the inside of my eye, went to our new VA clinic that the VFW had been trumpeting. "We're sorry, you made too much money LAST year."

You have to be service connected for any claim you make, period. And getting that is getting harder and harder as the Iraq/Afghanistan returning vets flood into a system ineptly run overall and grossly underfunded.

379 eon  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:49:43pm

re: #335 Dr. Shalit

pingjockey -

It was - got you researching though, didn't I?

-S-

Actually, it was both. Early saltpeter refiners (or "petermen" as they were called- hold the jokes, please) often looked in caves for raw material, courtesy of bats, rabbits, etc. Not to mention the usual procedure of forking over dunghills, digging up abandoned privies and disused cesspits, etc.

In 1670 a gentleman named Henry Stubbs mentioned a cave in the Apennine "in which Millions of Owles did lodge themselves, their dung had been accumulating there for many centuries of years." Mining thwe guano for its saltpeter produced an "inestimable summe of money". Ariound the same time, the bodies of soldiers hastily buried in caves after a battle near Moscow proved a rich source ogf saltpeter, which was fashioned into new powder to facilitate the deaths of other men, a macabre form of recycling.

- Jack Kelly, Gunpowder- Alchemy, Bombards, & Pyrotechnics: The History of the Explosive that Changed the World. New York; Basic Books, 2004. Chapter 2, "Thundring Noyse", p.34.

cheers

eon

380 Shay4l  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I had three wife's there.

Ah, so all your exes live in Texas?

381 Soona'  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:50:11pm

re: #375 quiet man

It probably wasnt cake..but some sort of quick bread.

Aunt Jamima pancake mix.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:50:17pm

re: #362 Soona'

One of my cats just hacked up a big hairball.

Ah, yes, the pleasures of owning a pet.

Well, with a cat being a cohabitant, really. ;)

383 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:50:18pm

re: #349 FurryOldGuyJeans

I can't decide which is worse about a hungry cat wanting to get fed:

1) howling and generally making a huge uproar so you go feed 'em just to shut it up, or

2) One that is patient and calm and just STARES at you without moving, purring LOUDLY.

Mine prefers option number two.
She's a Maine Coon and the 'howling' would anyways be very subdued.

384 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:50:32pm

re: #157 Empire1


a 50-1 shot (Mine That Bird) won

385 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:51:06pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

Watching the replay- what an incredible move and burst of speed. Just amazing.

I've missed the Derby for a couple of years in a row now, but I'm thrilled I got to see this one. Amazing.

check out Barbaro's win last year...it was a come from behind/won't be denied classic....he was one hell of a horse that loved to run in the middle then turn on the jets....I'm nearly in tears thinking of him

386 callahan23  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:51:20pm

re: #376 _RememberTonyC

I feel like i lost my lizard cherry :)

Very aptly put.

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:52:00pm

re: #363 pingjockey

Did you ever read Hunter S. Thompsons story of when he covered the Derby? He's from Louisville and it is a riot.

My leisure reading has always tended towards the non-fiction side of the house. History, science, and now programming.

388 eon  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:52:49pm

re: #363 pingjockey

Did you ever read Hunter S. Thompsons story of when he covered the Derby? He's from Louisville and it is a riot.

"The Kentucky Derby is Violent and Depraved" is one of his best pieces. It may also have been one of the last events he covered without, umm, shall we say, "serious chemical augmentation" on his part.

cheers

eon

389 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:53:37pm

re: #379 eon

eon -

I know that. Bat POOP is much more common in North America, Bird POOP more common in South America. BOTH are Great Sources of Nitrates.

-S-

390 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:53:39pm

re: #176 Dr. Shalit

RTC -

Unions on the Board of Directors of Auto Companies is the norm in Europe. Of itself, Not a Problem. I DO quibble about the share the UAW got of Chrysler - TOO MUCH in my view - a political rather than economic solution for sure.
Put that all to one side. My question is - what Chrysler Product would YOU willingly and voluntarily buy today? For my needs, there are NONE, for my wants, the Challenger, 300C and Ram Pickup could work. Not enough, I think, to keep an auto company in business. Unless there is a world beater in the pipeline or the FIAT portfolio - seems to me we are merely prolonging the agony of a dying patient. I say this with the utmost sorrow being ex-UAW and a "Mo-Par" fan.

-S-


Dr S ... we own a Chrysler Town and Country van ... my wife drives it and can't wait to get rid of it. But with a kid in college and another headed there, we are keeping it for awhile.

391 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:53:47pm

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

My leisure reading has always tended towards the non-fiction side of the house. History, science, and now programming.

Hunter S. Thompson is non-fiction. He was famously warped, however, and apt to abuse chemical substances.

/

392 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:54:44pm

re: #390 _RememberTonyC

Dr S ... we own a Chrysler Town and Country van ... my wife drives it and can't wait to get rid of it. But with a kid in college and another headed there, we are keeping it for awhile.

Remmber Tony C -

PRAY TELL - what Model Year?

-S-

393 JacksonTn  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #389 Dr. Shalit

eon -

I know that. Bat POOP is much more common in North America, Bird POOP more common in South America. BOTH are Great Sources of Nitrates.

-S-

DrS ... I make a plant mix of Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Earthworm Casings, Peat Moss and Pine Bark ... you can grow almost anything in it ...

394 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:54:53pm

re: #383 callahan23

Mine prefers option number two.
She's a Maine Coon and the 'howling' would anyways be very subdued.

Mine does both, being the roof kitty she is.

Found on the roof of the two-story apartment building I was living in at the time, in the midst of for even Fresno CA a major downpour. "Fat and happy" is still with me after 3 moves and 2 states, never figured out why.

395 albusteve  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:54:56pm

re: #391 OldLineTexan

Hunter S. Thompson is non-fiction. He was famously warped, however, and apt to abuse chemical substances.

/

over rated imo

396 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:55:05pm

Calvin can get himself a set of teeth now . . .

397 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:56:07pm

re: #393 JacksonTn

DrS ... I make a plant mix of Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Earthworm Casings, Peat Moss and Pine Bark ... you can grow almost anything in it ...

JacksonTn -

Bet all 'y'all can in That Stuff.

-S-

398 AuntAcid  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:56:32pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

Was that a Mark Twain quote?

Shania Twain... ..." let zee cheeps fall where they may."

399 Shay4l  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:57:18pm

re: #371 The Shadow Do

5 serious 1 critical being reported now. That structure is naught but a big pup tent. This kind of thing should have been anticipated and practice abandoned.

They're crazy to be in there with the weather reports that we had well in advance.

400 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:57:33pm

re: #391 OldLineTexan

Hunter S. Thompson is non-fiction. He was famously warped, however, and apt to abuse chemical substances.

/

Not my cup of tea, and I have 3 shelves of material I need to devour in the next month or so. But thanks for the suggestion, will consider adding it to the end of queue.

401 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:58:05pm

re: #398 AuntAcid

AuntAcid -

The way it is Ack-Cented sounds more like Celine Dion than Shania Twain.

-S-

402 abolitionist  Sat, May 2, 2009 3:59:08pm

I have a prediction to offer: Islamophobia will be saturating headlines soon.

Dalia Mogahed: President Obama Advisor

Sunday April 26, 2009
Earlier this month, Dalia Mogahed was appointed by President Obama to serve on the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. In this position, Ms. Mogahed advises the President about the opinions, values, perceptions, attitudes, and desires of more than 1 billion Muslims worldwide. Learn more about this White House advisor's work experience, published writing, and personal background.

A billion people will have official representation in the Executive Branch? Sounds like it, sort of.

Obama appoints American Muslim head of Gallup as advisor
Egyptian-born US Muslim to advise White House

Mugahed will keep her full time job at Gallup while serving as an advisor.

Qualified

Mogahed’s appointment comes at a critical time given the rising tide of Islamophobia in the media and within some academic circles.

“I am very happy that Dalia was asked to be part of this advisory group because she represents a unique position,” Jihad Saleh Williams, from Congressional Muslim Staffers Association, told AlArabiya.net.
[snip]

In 2008, she co-authored woth [sic] John L. Esposito “Who speaks on behalf of Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think,” the largest and most comprehensive study of the Muslim public opinion around the world.
[snip]

Esposito is Director of the Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. The Center was founded in 1993 (year of the first bombing of the WTC, coincidentally), by agreement between Georgetown U and an NGO in Geneva, but did not carry Alwaleed's name until 2005, when the Prince provided significant funding to both Harvard and Georgetown U.

In 2001, Prince Alwaleed had offered a $10M check to NYC for rebuilding after 9-11, but the offer was accompanied by talk of the attack really being America's fault, by reason of unjust policies. Guliani returned the check.

Percy Sutton's revelation about being aproached by Dr Khalid Al-Mansour, to promote BHO's admission to Harvard and appointment as President of the Harvard Law Review is not so well known. Among other things, Al-Mansour has served as the principal advisor to Prince Alwaleed.

How cozy.

403 JustMyView  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:00:50pm

re: #148 iLikeCandy

Does anyone know of a source or site like "The Current Mess for Dummies" where I can start from scratch and learn about the GM-Chrysler-hedge funds-toxic assets-TARP-Federal Reserve-Chapter 11-Chapter 7-bond holders-UAW-pension funds-high finance- bank nationalizing whole thing? All I know about economics is free markets good, government control bad.

There are several possibilities online. This American Life has done several broadcasts on the topic. You might listen to the two at the links below and check their site for others. Or google "this american life financial crisis".

The Giant Pool of Money

Another Frightening about the Economy

CNBC did a very comprehensive report called House of Cards, which you can watch online (or possibly they are still playing it from time to time), and there's a Frontline report called Inside the Meltdown, also online.

You might also be interested in following the Planet Money blog, which has dealt w/ both the financial crisis and the problems of the auto companies. See, particularly, the links on the lower right, including one called "Understanding the Crisis".

404 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:01:43pm

re: #392 Dr. Shalit

Remmber Tony C -

PRAY TELL - what Model Year?

-S-

2004 ... nice van ... but she's making the transition from soccer mom to empty nester :)

405 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:02:06pm

re: #400 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not my cup of tea, and I have 3 shelves of material I need to devour in the next month or so. But thanks for the suggestion, will consider adding it to the end of queue.

FurryOldGuyJeans

Hunter WAS a Free Thinker, back in the Early/Mid 1960's. Problem with Hunter is that he got WAY PARANOID - Cocaine I Believe, he showed all of the symptoms. That is all.

-S-

406 AuntAcid  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:02:17pm

re: #401 Dr. Shalit

AuntAcid -

The way it is Ack-Cented sounds more like Celine Dion than Shania Twain.

-S-

Qui - the skinny one, right? I could imagine kd lang saying something like that.

407 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:02:43pm

re: #396 spinmore

Calvin can get himself a set of teeth now . . .


that one's gonna leave a mark

408 rain of lead  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:05:23pm

re: #393 JacksonTn

Hey JT!
just wanted to say what a great time we had meeting you today.

409 spinmore  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:06:17pm

re: #407 _RememberTonyC

You'll have to excuse my unorthodox play by play (the devil made me do it)

410 JacksonTn  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:07:14pm

re: #408 rain of lead

Hey JT!
just wanted to say what a great time we had meeting you today.

RoL ... back at ya ... your little girl is so sweet ... call when ya'll get back this way again and we will get together ...

411 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:08:36pm

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

My leisure reading has always tended towards the non-fiction side of the house. History, science, and now programming.

I'm into non-friction myself. "A Body At Rest" is one of my all time favorites.

412 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:11:27pm

re: #404 _RememberTonyC

2004 ... nice van ... but she's making the transition from soccer mom to empty nester :)

RememberTonyC -

OK, Got The Program, '04's were NOT UGLY, like the current ones are. If you can afford it, buy her a GMC Acadia or Chevrolet Traverse. At a given point, Moms would prefer to NOT be seen as Moms - Rather as somewhat older desirable women. Caravans and T&C's are the ultimate "Mom-Mobiles." Trust me, if you can do it, your and her life together will improve. My Boss just went through this situation, he could afford it, things are better now. that is all.

-S-

413 rain of lead  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:12:13pm

re: #410 JacksonTn

sounds great!

ya know, you sorta get a mental image of what you think people look
like.....I never expected you to be a 6' tall body builder with an accent

/ducks

414 JacksonTn  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #413 rain of lead

sounds great!

ya know, you sorta get a mental image of what you think people look
like.....I never expected you to be a 6' tall body builder with an accent

/ducks

RoL ... you better duck ... no more cake for you!

415 rain of lead  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:15:14pm

re: #414 JacksonTn

RoL ... you better duck ... no more cake for you!

at least I didn't mention the moustach

/ducks
//runs
///hides

416 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:16:45pm

re: #412 Dr. Shalit

RememberTonyC -

OK, Got The Program, '04's were NOT UGLY, like the current ones are. If you can afford it, buy her a GMC Acadia or Chevrolet Traverse. At a given point, Moms would prefer to NOT be seen as Moms - Rather as somewhat older desirable women. Caravans and T&C's are the ultimate "Mom-Mobiles." Trust me, if you can do it, your and her life together will improve. My Boss just went through this situation, he could afford it, things are better now. that is all.

-S-

Thanks for the advice ... She wants one of those half car/half truck things ... but the budget is tight. I drive a 2005 Caddy CTS, which she loves. I love it too. It's an American car that really kicks ass ... and when I bought it four years ago, I paid around $27k for it. Sometimes i even let her drive it ;)

417 debutaunt  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:22:36pm

re: #116 Shug

How do you know it was a spider bite?

Eight tiny footprints.

418 [deleted]  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:23:59pm
419 JacksonTn  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:25:36pm

re: #418 momcat

Hey J.T. The coffee was great and the little one just ate two more cookies. Gives u a big 2 thumbs up! Thanks for an enjoyable afternoon.

mc .. you are welcome ... and you need to whack RoL ... I am not a 6 ft bodybuilder ... if I were ... I could kick his ass! ... come back soon ...

420 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:26:29pm

re: #416 _RememberTonyC

Thanks for the advice ... She wants one of those half car/half truck things ... but the budget is tight. I drive a 2005 Caddy CTS, which she loves. I love it too. It's an American car that really kicks ass ... and when I bought it four years ago, I paid around $27k for it. Sometimes i even let her drive it ;)

RememberTonyC -

I Understand the "tight budget" - Have BEEN on one for much of my life. Simi is OK driving a 7-year old Ford Focus 5-speed manual when she needs to. Your wife apparently expects more. Your CTS is a great car for its time. My advice is, give her SOMETHING that is NOT a Mom-Mobile. She is still, in her mind, the Woman who won you. Why WOULD you say NO to that idea?

-S-

421 [deleted]  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:27:34pm
422 debutaunt  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:28:44pm

re: #356 Noam Sayin'

That's what I'm starting to think.

Either I'm mixing it wrong, or this mint julep thing is over rated.

Mint jelly can be so darn sweet.

423 rain of lead  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:30:03pm

re: #414 JacksonTn

bwahaha
hey JT
the little one just came upstairs and said that the last cookie was marked
with her name on it so I had better not eat it.

she knows me too well :)

424 [deleted]  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:32:59pm
425 rain of lead  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:34:09pm

re: #419 JacksonTn

HEY!
I wouldn't tease you if I didn't like you.
right momcat, momcat... come on....tell her, right.....
uh oh the girls are ganging up on me

I'm doomed

426 [deleted]  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:36:21pm
427 rain of lead  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:37:52pm

oh look the race is on

/trying to change the subject

428 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:51:58pm

I'm watching a Dateline NBC rerun on a case of a schizophrenic named Michael Goldstein who pushed a young woman under a subway train back in 1999. The guy was in and out of the mental health system in NYC for a decade before that, and asked for years to be placed in a residential program....it's pretty informative aside from the fact that they just glossed over the fact that it was a Carter administration program that shuttered many of the inpatient mental health hospitals in the late 1970s.

"compassion" my ass.

they interviewed a guy who used to be in charge of the NYC mental health dept, and his excuse sounded way too much like something Obama has said--his diagnosis of the problem was that there isn't enough sharing of medical records among hospitals and that's why he wasn't in inpatient care.

the man repeatedly assaulted people and went to ERs and asked/begged them to put him in a residential mental health hospital, but there wasn't ever space.

429 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:54:34pm

re: #404 _RememberTonyC

2004 ... nice van ... but she's making the transition from soccer mom to empty nester :)

Tony, Ford makes a cool crossover and for some reason they brought back the Taurus name for it. Ford is going to have a new Taurus SHO in 2010. That's a cool car, but still big enough to be an easy transition from a minivan.

430 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 4:56:14pm
431 funky chicken  Sat, May 2, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #428 funky chicken

argh, not Dateline...I thought it was

anyway, dumb liberal end to the story. the family sued the hospitals that were forced to discharge the guy over and over again because the state/city didn't have any residential places

oh well, bankrupt the hospitals. that'll fix the problem.

/

432 macirish  Sat, May 2, 2009 5:42:22pm

Understand that waterboarding is considered torture by some.

Quoting the NYT: "The 2005 memo also says that the C.I.A. used waterboarding 183 times in March 2003 against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."

Regarding 911 - Wikipedia says: "Excluding the 19 hijackers, 2,974 people died in the attacks."

So, giving the planner of 911 credit for his 19 friends - we're still 2,791 short.

As a nation we've developed a real problem identifying our real enemies and an even more serious problem of dealing with them effectively.

433 SixDegrees  Sat, May 2, 2009 6:23:37pm

re: #400 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not my cup of tea, and I have 3 shelves of material I need to devour in the next month or so. But thanks for the suggestion, will consider adding it to the end of queue.

Try "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" first. It's probably Thompson's best work. It's short, too.

The movie totally sucked. If you've seen it, don't judge the book by it.

434 davesax  Sat, May 2, 2009 7:39:00pm

It's been announced that Michael Oren will be Israel's American Ambassador.

This is great news.


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