We Got ‘Burn in Hell’ Mail!

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Tonight’s post about Melanie Phillips’ highly dubious article on “intelligent design” creationism prompted the following email, from a creationist in Australia who emails these ranting missives within minutes of every LGF post on the subject (more than 60 emails at last count). In this one, he cites scripture and lets me know that I’m doomed to suffer in eternal torment unless I accept the truth of Biblical literalist creationism:

No, YOU are wrong about intelligent design.  You need to read, for example, the book by former atheist Antony Flew called “There is a God” in which he sets out the reasons why he became an atheist, and then the reasons why he abandoned atheism and became a theist.   I hope you will read it, but it will take a miracle for you to do so. I hope you will experience a miracle in your life.  Your attitude toward the divine, I suspect, is explained by John 3:19 and Romans 1:18. You need to think about your future, long term.  The Bible says everyone of us will be judged by our Creator and required to give an account of our lives, of the deeds we have done in our bodies. The Bible also makes it clear that we are without excuse.  Dawkins in the movie expelled said he would plead ignorance before God (did you see him?) but the Bible says we are all without excuse (Romans 1:20). Take some time out.  Think about your future. And in the meantime, drive carefully.

Just for the sheer heck of it I did a quick Google search, and it turns out that our “burn in hell, infidel!” emailer is actually a guy named Tas Walker, a full-time staff member of Answers in Genesis in Brisbane, now known as Creation Ministries International. Here’s his intelligently designed website, chock full of crunchy creationist goodness: Tas Walker’s Biblical Geology.

Gary Hurd, Ph. D., curator of Anthropology and Director of Education at the Orange County Natural History Museum, has also had some run-ins with ol’ Tas: A Response to a Dubious Diluvium: A Tas Walker Creationist Fantasy.

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687 comments

1 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:12:10pm
2 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:12:34pm

If Hell existed, I'd probably burn there.

But, fortunately, as an agnostic, I'll only go to Agnostic Hell, which is much more pleasant.

3 Mithrax  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:12:40pm

Dear me, I think this guy missed the part about not throwing stones.

4 Zimriel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:13:12pm

Don't Tas me, bro!

5 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:13:23pm

In Agnostic Hell, you're not even sure whether you're suffering or not.

6 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:13:32pm

James Bond: You bastard! You'll burn in Hell for this!

Dr. No: Ah but, Mr. Bond, I do not acknowledge the existence of Hell.

7 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:14:09pm

Interestingly enough Tas Walker has an article over at CMI about Little Green Footballs.

8 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:14:15pm

re: #2 zombie

If Hell existed, I'd probably burn there.

But, fortunately, as an agnostic, I'll only go to Agnostic Hell, which is much more pleasant.

How would you know when you're there?

9 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:14:53pm
10 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:15:12pm

Oooh, I like the new font used for quotes, Charles.

So much moonbattery cursing the darkness while they snuff out the light by sitting on the basket covering the lantern.

11 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:15:18pm

I hate to be the one to break it to him, but comic sans font is based on comic books, which are from the devil according to some people. We'll see who gets sent to hell, buddy.

12 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:15:20pm

re: #3 Mithrax

Dear me, I think this guy missed the part about not throwing stones.

Yes, I was thinking of "Judge not that ye be not judged". They seem to have left out that part of the Bible in their rant.

13 Mithrax  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:15:41pm

re: #12 livefreeor die

They always do.

14 solomonpanting  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:15:50pm
Geology is not just about mines,
minerals and museums.
Your attitude to geology affects:
Your family
Your quality of life
Your self image
Your future

How one "feels" about a field of science has a bearing on these aspects of one's life?

15 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:11pm

Does this mean we'll start seeing Moonbat ads anytime soon?

16 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:30pm

re: #10 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oooh, I like the new font used for quotes, Charles.

I'm reserving it for quotes from kooks.

17 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:40pm
Here’s his intelligently designed website, chock full of crunchy creationist goodness: Tas Walker’s Biblical Geology.

The tragedy of Hypertext Markup Language is that anybody can learn it. The World Wide Web is like giving Gutenberg's press to every lunatic in Europe.

18 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:42pm
A Response to a Dubious Diluvium: A Tas Walker Creationist Fantasy.


Linky no worky

19 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:42pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Interestingly enough Tas Walker has an article over at CMI about Little Green Footballs.

Not surprising. Hate groups always have files on their targets of venom.

20 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:48pm

Is this guy the Tas Devil?

21 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:16:55pm

re: #2 zombie

If Hell existed, I'd probably burn there.

But, fortunately, as an agnostic, I'll only go to Agnostic Hell, which is much more pleasant.

Could it be any worse than what you've seen at the Folsom Street Fair?

22 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:17:01pm

re: #16 Charles

He didn't use it on his own?

23 dmandman  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:17:20pm

Wasn't Tas in the Warner Cartoons this awfully stupid dervish that would spin around and eat everything and anything in sight (and was always suckered by they Rabbit). Sounds poetically appropriate.

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:17:38pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm reserving it for quotes from kooks.

It adds just the right feel of their foaming at the mouth when you quote them. ;)

25 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:17:58pm

I love you Tas...can you feel it you rude misguided bitch?

26 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #16 Charles

Of course, thank you for at least allowing us to use Comic Sans MS for blockquotes.

27 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:18:58pm

re: #19 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not surprising. Hate groups always have files on their targets of venom.

True.

If you're curious Google "Little Green Footballs dredges 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense"

28 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:18:58pm

re: #2 zombie

If Hell existed, I'd probably burn there.

But, fortunately, as an agnostic, I'll only go to Agnostic Hell, which is much more pleasant.

a Folsom Fair infinate blocks long

29 Boondocksaint  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:19:07pm

Wow. You just pwned this guy, Charles.

30 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #23 dmandman

Wasn't Tas in the Warner Cartoons this awfully stupid dervish that would spin around and eat everything and anything in sight (and was always suckered by they Rabbit). Sounds poetically appropriate.

That was Taz, the Tazmanian Devil; only referred to being Taz in the scripts, never on screen IIRC.

31 DEZes  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:19:37pm

Well its time for me to take my leave.
Have a good one all.

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:19:48pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Linky no worky

Works now...

33 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:20:07pm

re: #31 DEZes

Well its time for me to take my leave.
Have a good one all.

See you later.

34 sattv4u2  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:20:16pm

re: #23 dmandman

Wasn't Tas in the Warner Cartoons this awfully stupid dervish that would spin around and eat everything and anything in sight (and was always suckered by they Rabbit). Sounds poetically appropriate.

Image: taz.gif

35 Zimriel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:20:20pm

re: #10 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oooh, I like the new font used for quotes, Charles.

So much moonbattery cursing the darkness while they snuff out the light by sitting on the basket covering the lantern.

A "comic" font, right?

I see Sharmuta has already explained to us that its name comes from comic books, and not because it's supposed to make you laugh. (I guess the quoted text does that by itself!)

I'm thinking that for Nazi apologists, those old Gothic scripts could be employed; and for creationists, whatever typeface they used for the old KJV, complete with "fs" ligatures for "ss".

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:20:45pm

re: #27 Gus 802

True.

If you're curious Google "Little Green Footballs dredges 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense"

Actually I am militantly indifferent to the high-pitched screeching from such folks. But thanks for the warning of what to avoid. ;)

37 itellu3times  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:20:57pm

I read some Antony Flew, a few years ago. He's a respectable academic philosopher, but nothing remarkable. And there is an awful lot of nonsense going on in the philosophy department these days, more than usual. Nobody pays philosophers much attention anymore, what with hard science and social science and literature and critical theory and whatnot, what's left for them? So, a lot of philosophers yearn for something to hold onto. Anything. Skepticism is out of style, as philosophy, if it was ever really in. Faith, in God, or in abstruse theories with no consequences or unlikely ones, seem more than usually popular. A lot of atavism, throwbacks to old stuff, seem popular. So, if Prof. Flew has written this book, it's mildly trendy, I suppose, but that doesn't make it coherent, much less noteworthy.

38 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:21:03pm

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

39 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:21:08pm

re: #31 DEZes

Well its time for me to take my leave.
Have a good one all.

Have a good one yourself.

40 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:21:30pm

The problem for Tas is that the entire island of Australia pretty much conclusively proves Darwin's theory, what with the marsupials filling the same ecological niches as the mammals on other continents.

41 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:21:42pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

Actually I am militantly indifferent to the high-pitched screeching from such folks. But thanks for the warning of what to avoid. ;)

OK Don't blame you. It's a waste of reading time anyway since none of what Tasman Bruce Walker writes makes any sense.

42 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:22:07pm

re: #40 zombie

The problem for Tas is that the entire island of Australia pretty much conclusively proves Darwin's theory, what with the marsupials filling the same ecological niches as the mammals on other continents.

Never let science get in the way of a good theory.

43 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:23:15pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

Martyr points and for just that wonderful home-cooked taste of irony?

44 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:23:16pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

Because they're merely interested in scientific accuracy! Their religious beliefs have nothing to do with their concern for Intelligent Design. It's pure coincidence.

45 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:23:33pm
This pitiful exposition of geological ignorance by Walker is like a train wreck, we want to look away, but a morbid fascination keeps drawing our attention, always to the discovery of new error. It seems that a shining light of the creationist movement is a very dim bulb. Or, perhaps I am too kind, for after all, if Walker is not judged incompetent then we must conclude that he is dishonest. I personally would rather be stupid than crooked.


Lying for Jesus!

46 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:23:43pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

Indeed.

47 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:23:59pm

Hey, Tas Walker left a comment in the Melanie Phillips ID/creationist article.

48 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:24:16pm

re: #42 livefreeor die

Never let science get in the way of a good theory.

Creationism and ID ain't even a good theory, it is very bad religion.

49 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:24:19pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm reserving it for quotes from kooks.

My first thought when I saw it was "crayon."

50 solomonpanting  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:24:30pm

re: #40 zombie

The problem for Tas is that the entire island of Australia pretty much conclusively proves Darwin's theory, what with the marsupials filling the same ecological niches as the mammals on other continents.

So Tas is basically convicting Darwinist Theory in a kangaroo court?

51 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:03pm

That's a serious smackdown on walker.

52 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:03pm

re: #40 zombie

The problem for Tas is that the entire island of Australia pretty much conclusively proves Darwin's theory, what with the marsupials filling the same ecological niches as the mammals on other continents.

Somehow, I'm sure he has an explanation for that.

53 sattv4u2  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:11pm

re: #50 solomonpanting

So Tas is basically convicting Darwinist Theory in a kangaroo court?

I'd be hopping mad, if I were him

54 MandyManners  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:37pm

re: #3 Mithrax

Dear me, I think this guy missed the part about not throwing stones.

BINGO!

55 Mithrax  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:40pm

re: #52 Charles

Somehow, I'm sure he has an explanation for that.

Sure: God did it!

/sarc

56 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:49pm

Charles,

If it makes you feel any better, saying "you're going to burn in hell" is just their way of saying they care.

57 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:25:57pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Hey, Tas Walker left a comment in the Melanie Phillips ID/creationist article.

I guess he was on watch today, while the other professional Creationist Web Stalkers get some well-deserved sleep.

After Tas's 24-hour shift is over, the next man over in the foxhole wakes up and takes his place.

58 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:26:29pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

Their position is that the God who created everything would disapprove of our using methodological naturalism to figure it out.

59 sattv4u2  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:26:40pm

re: #57 zombie

I guess he was on watch today, while the other professional Creationist Web Stalkers get some well-deserved sleep.

After Tas's 24-hour shift is over, the next man over in the foxhole RUBBER ROOM wakes up and takes his place.

FTFY

60 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:26:55pm

re: #57 zombie

I guess he was on watch today, while the other professional Creationist Web Stalkers get some well-deserved sleep.

After Tas's 24-hour shift is over, the next man over in the foxhole wakes up and takes his place.

They are like moles coming up from the darkness -- twitching and blinking their eyes. //

61 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:01pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Heh, he's pissed of at Melanie for denying the obvious connection between Creationism and ID.

62 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:04pm

re: #2 zombie

If Hell existed, I'd probably burn there.

But, fortunately, as an agnostic, I'll only go to Agnostic Hell, which is much more pleasant.

Every religion and their believers tell me I am going to Hell if I don't believe exactly like I do. Really, I'd rather go to Hell just to get away from all the kooks, cranks, and moonbats.

63 lawhawk  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:09pm

re: #16 Charles

Maybe you should go with one of these. (or maybe this one, since they already think so badly of you).

64 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:22pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Hey, Tas Walker left a comment in the Melanie Phillips ID/creationist article.

Oh, that's too funny.

He's pissed off at Melanie Phillips for dissing creationism.

I'm dyin' ovah heah.

65 schnapp  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:43pm

An Australian current affairs how had an ant-vaxer segment last night, i think.
I saw the ad. for it and it looked pretty kooky. Here's the link if you are interested.

66 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:51pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

re: #64 Charles

Looks like it.

Woot!

67 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:51pm

re: #48 FurryOldGuyJeans

Creationism and ID ain't even a good theory, it is very bad religion.

Sorry, I forgot the sarc tag.

68 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:52pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

I hate to be the one to break it to him, but comic sans font is based on comic books, which are from the devil according to some people. We'll see who gets sent to hell, buddy.

Yeah but hopefully not there......

Ah ha, Tas, so, you're in Hell! Ha!..............oh bugger.......

69 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:27:55pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

What's really interesting is how they make the same assumption every time, that accepting evolution means Charles is an atheist. But I guess, that's their mantra.

70 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:28:12pm

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

Every religion and their believers tell me I am going to Hell if I don't believe exactly like THEY do. Really, I'd rather go to Hell just to get away from all the kooks, cranks, and moonbats.

PIMF! *sheesh*

71 solomonpanting  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:28:23pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

Whereas scripture has its place, never bring it to a science fight.

72 jordash1212  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:28:59pm

I like how these guys can just pull fragments out of different verses of the Bible and compile an argument. Fundamentals everywhere do it, and it seems quite unhealthy.

73 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #64 Charles

Oh, that's too funny.

He's pissed off at Melanie Phillips for dissing creationism.

I'm dyin' ovah heah.

It's time to develop our own "Wedge" strategy:

Pit the creationists against the Intelligent Designers!

Bwahahahahaha!

74 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:29:01pm

re: #67 livefreeor die

Sorry, I forgot the sarc tag.

I would have said what I did regardless. ;)

75 itellu3times  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:29:29pm

re: #72 jordash1212

I like how these guys can just pull fragments out of different verses of the Bible and compile an argument. Fundamentals everywhere do it, and it seems quite unhealthy.

It's amazing just what they can pull out of where.

76 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:29:38pm

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

Every religion and their believers tell me I am going to Hell if I don't believe exactly like I do. Really, I'd rather go to Hell just to get away from all the kooks, cranks, and moonbats.

IMO lots of these sorts are in hell right here on earth.

77 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:29:45pm

Um do you think he realizes the incredible contradictions in a supernatural afterlife and his ID theory that supposedly is not putting forth that a God created life on Earth? And if it's not a God then why does he care if anybody believes it or not? And why would the non-God ID create a post-life supernatural torture chamber that we must fear if we don't believe in him/it? And why....Ow. My head hurts.

78 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:29:46pm

re: #73 zombie

It's time to develop our own "Wedge" strategy:

Pit the creationists against the Intelligent Designers!

Bwahahahahaha!

We can put the IDers into the alien conspiracy camp.

79 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:30:05pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Hey, Tas Walker left a comment in the Melanie Phillips ID/creationist article.

What number, or did Stinky already whack it?re: #73 zombie

It's time to develop our own "Wedge" strategy:

Pit the creationists against the Intelligent Designers!

Bwahahahahaha!

Tie their underwear together. Call it the "wedgie" strategy.

80 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:30:26pm

re: #64 Charles

Oh, that's too funny.

He's pissed off at Melanie Phillips for dissing creationism.

I'm dyin' ovah heah.

Fatwas, Anathemas, and Excommunications from the bowels of the DI come next, right? ;)

81 Mithrax  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:30:42pm

re: #72 jordash1212

I like how these guys can just pull fragments out of different verses of the Bible and compile an argument. Fundamentals everywhere do it, and it seems quite unhealthy.

It's very unhealthy, poor theologically, and stupid from every other point of view. The problem is that they think they're right, so therefore everyone else is wrong.

It's less a matter of "Scripture X says so" than a matter of "Scripture X agrees with my position, therefore you're wrong".

This kind of crap has been used since Og and Uk learned how to paint on cave walls.

82 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:30:45pm

re: #73 zombie

It's time to develop our own "Wedge" strategy:

Pit the creationists against the Intelligent Designers!

Bwahahahahaha!

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

83 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:31:07pm

re: #79 Alouette

Tie their underwear together. Call it the "wedgie" strategy.

He left a comment in the Spectator article. Not LGF.

84 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #82 looking closely

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

Yes, two different phrases; and no, they mean the same, all shit.

85 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:32:13pm

Part of Tas Walker's comment at the Spectator site:

"When have you ever heard a creationist scientist given the opportunity to put their view on any mainstream forum? They are simply vilified, mocked and ridiculed but never given an opportunity to respond to the attacks on their position."


Maybe an invitation will be forthcoming. However, he may be too delicate to survive as a scientist.

86 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:32:22pm

re: #77 dwells38

Um do you think he realizes the incredible contradictions in a supernatural afterlife and his ID theory that supposedly is not putting forth that a God created life on Earth? And if it's not a God then why does he care if anybody believes it or not? And why would the non-God ID create a post-life supernatural torture chamber that we must fear if we don't believe in him/it? And why....Ow. My head hurts.

Excellent point!

Maybe the secret name of the Intelligent Designer is...Satan!

87 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:33:11pm

re: #86 zombie

Excellent point!

Maybe the secret name of the Intelligent Designer is...Satan!

Satan is supposed to the King of the World, so really a valid point can be made.

88 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:33:25pm

re: #82 looking closely

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

No. But they've made a great hoopla out of insisting they're different.

89 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:33:47pm

re: #82 looking closely

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

I think Creationism is called Intelligent Design when they are trying to slip it into school curriculums and deny its religious nature.

90 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:12pm

re: #82 looking closely

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

The difference is that "intelligent design" advocates are sneakier than creationists.

I actually respect the creationists more, although that's not saying much. At least they're not trying to trick people.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:12pm

Charles?

Welcome to Hell, Maestro. Here's your accordion.
-The Far Side

92 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:20pm

re: #85 jaunte

Maybe they should try some mainstream evidence. Or any evidence.

93 sattv4u2  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:28pm

re: #82 looking closely

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

I DO beleive there is a God that created ,,,, blah blah blah,,

I do NOT beleive it happened 6,000 years ago

I DO beleive that things (creatures, plant life, etc) evolve

I have NO idea if that makes me a creationist, an ID'er , or just some guy trying to do my best with what I have in this life

94 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:30pm

re: #86 zombie

Excellent point!

Maybe the secret name of the Intelligent Designer is...Satan!


Satan didnt create ANYTHING. He is the destroyer.

95 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:41pm

re: #89 livefreeor die

I think Creationism is called Intelligent Design when they are trying to slip it into school curriculums and deny its religious nature.

Smoke, mirrors, and a lot of bullshit expended. *sigh*

96 dmandman  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:34:54pm

re: #86 zombie
Don't confuse the label with the defined. That's always the answer to the question of maybe we are blaming the wrong party.

97 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:35:39pm

Well if you end up Hell.....will you at least try to Blog from there?

98 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:35:41pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

I DO beleive there is a God that created ,,,, blah blah blah,,

I do NOT beleive it happened 6,000 years ago

I DO beleive that things (creatures, plant life, etc) evolve

I have NO idea if that makes me a creationist, an ID'er , or just some guy trying to do my best with what I have in this life


I agree, have an upding.......

99 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #82 looking closely

Is there a difference between "Creationism" and "Intelligent design"?
Seriously.

ID accepts micro-evolution, but denies "macro-evolution".

100 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:35:58pm

re: #87 FurryOldGuyJeans

Satan is supposed to the King of the World, so really a valid point can be made.

Now we're getting soemwhere!

"God" didn't make creation: Satan did! And since Darwin's theory is the work of Satan, there is convergence after all. Everyone's in agreement!

I think I've just tied it all together with a nice pink bow. Problem solved.

Next!

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:36:34pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

Maybe they should try some mainstream evidence. Or any evidence.

Why use evidence when faith is all that is required. One very narrow definition of faith.

102 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:36:34pm

re: #97 Big Steve

Well if you end up Hell.....will you at least try to Blog from there?


No time that........too busy covering your ass,.........literally.

103 sattv4u2  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:36:36pm

re: #97 Big Steve

Well if you end up Hell.....will you at least try to Blog from there?

Or at leats leave us the keys and secret codes so LGF will continue!

104 Irish Rose  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:36:43pm

God is love!

105 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:37:28pm

The Methodological naturalism of science is what both creationists and IDers object to, as rigid and dogmatic, but it's just a set of methods developed to reliably find out about the world. We use the method because it works. They have no equally reliable method with which to replace it.

106 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:37:40pm

re: #97 Big Steve

Well if you end up Hell.....will you at least try to Blog from there?

In Hell, they use ThumbPress 3.0 for blogging.

107 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:37:41pm

re: #99 Sharmuta

ID accepts micro-evolution, but denies "macro-evolution".

The creationists don't even see micro-evolution as evolution. They scratch their heads and say "God did it".

108 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:37:58pm

as my mother once said, "if there is a God, we have about as much chance understanding him, than a cat would calculus.

109 DistantThunder  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:38:03pm

OT: My daughter in Fort Worth, who is 6 months pregnant, says they've closed all the schools in her area - and she woke up feeling really badly and tonight - she has a fever. Her husband just ran to the drug store for a thermometer - but get this: her OB?gYN doesn't have an after hours number - recording says to call in the AM or call 911. That's wrong.

I'm waiting to hear after she takes her temperature.

110 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:38:39pm

re: #100 zombie

Now we're getting soemwhere!

"God" didn't make creation: Satan did! And since Darwin's theory is the work of Satan, there is convergence after all. Everyone's in agreement!

I think I've just tied it all together with a nice pink bow. Problem solved.

Next!

As I remember from my days of religious instruction G-d created the world and the universe, then gave the authority and power over Satan to run the world as he saw fit. That is how the IDers can say fossils are Satanic plots and plants.

111 DistantThunder  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles?

Welcome to Hell, Maestro. Here's your accordion.
-The Far Side

or juice-harp.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:39:05pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

I hate to be the one to break it to him, but comic sans font is based on comic books, which are from the devil according to some people.

I can think of at least one type of comic book that must be from the devil.

113 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:39:12pm

re: #106 zombie

In Hell, they use ThumbPress 3.0 for blogging.

I guess it would also re-define Hot Mail....... come to think of it a good band name would be "Twittering From Hell"

114 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:39:32pm

Rose- I responded back to you. You need to check it out.

115 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:39:44pm

re: #104 Irish Rose

God is love!

Agreed, but dont forget that God has judged the world and declared it guilty. After justice comes mercy, there can be no mercy until there is first the declaration of "Guilty"

116 acacia  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:40:23pm

I must be missing something - where's the burn in hell part? Is that in the Bible quotes?

117 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:40:24pm

re: #113 Big Steve

I guess it would also re-define Hot Mail....... come to think of it a good band name would be "Twittering From Hell"

Yeah, in Hell they use Red-Hot-Mail. Ouch!

118 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:40:33pm

re: #109 DistantThunder

OT: My daughter in Fort Worth, who is 6 months pregnant, says they've closed all the schools in her area - and she woke up feeling really badly and tonight - she has a fever. Her husband just ran to the drug store for a thermometer - but get this: her OB?gYN doesn't have an after hours number - recording says to call in the AM or call 911. That's wrong.

I'm waiting to hear after she takes her temperature.

I hope she' okay.
I've never heard of an OBGYN not having an after hours number. Calling 911 seems a little extreme for every woman going into labor in the wee hours of the morning.

119 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:40:44pm

You people! Go grill some burgers, comments on Melanie about 400, now comments over 800 and there is a new thread...."YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!" What is going on? Give a guy a break. I'm not even going to try and catch up.

120 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:40:51pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm reserving it for quotes from kooks.

You owe me a new keyboard.

121 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:40:56pm

I don't see how you can accept "micro-evolution" but reject "macro-evolution" since the latter is just a logical extension of the former. (Well, OK, you CAN reject one or the other, just not with intellectual honesty or consistency).

My personal "favorite" category here is "Creation science" as if there is anything scientific about the belief that a supernatural entity created all the species on the planet ex nihilo.

122 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Hey, Tas Walker left a comment in the Melanie Phillips ID/creationist article.

That was hilarious.

123 capitalist piglet  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:13pm

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles?

Welcome to Hell, Maestro. Here's your accordion.
-The Far Side

Oh, my. You really know how to hurt a jazz musician.

124 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:30pm

re: #117 zombie

Yeah, in Hell they use Red-Hot-Mail. Ouch!

I am writhing in laughter

125 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:32pm

re: #116 acacia

I must be missing something - where's the burn in hell part? Is that in the Bible quotes?

Maybe the whole "Think about your future. And in the meantime, drive carefully." part?

126 funky chicken  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:39pm
In geological terms the contact between the underlying granite and the overlying basalt is called an unconformity. It signifies a time gap between the granite being emplaced and the basalt lava flowing on top. It’s from sites like this that geologists conclude that lots of erosion occurred between the time the granite was emplaced and when the basalts were erupted. Unlike basalt, granite magma does not flow over the surface of the earth but pools far underground in magma chambers, perhaps at a depth of a kilometer or more. So for the granite under Pyramid Rock to have been exposed at the surface, the sedimentary rocks into which the magma had intruded and which sat on top of the granite had been eroded away—likely kilometers of material. Most geologists imagine that this occurred over hundreds of millions of years by slow-and-gradual weathering, such as we observe today.
However, continent-wide movements of water during Noah’s Flood not only account for such erosion but explain how it could have occurred within weeks or months

.

Giant sandblasters under the flood waters? Lucifer's eternally damned frogmen working with underwater drills?

Yep, these folks aren't just after biological evolution.

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:40pm

re: #97 Big Steve

Well if you end up Hell.....will you at least try to Blog from there?

He'll be sharing a room with Barry Manilow.

128 Irish Rose  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:41:44pm

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles?

Welcome to Hell, Maestro. Here's your accordion.
-The Far Side

Oh goody, are we talking accordions now?

129 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:42:03pm

re: #122 Jimmah

That was hilarious.

Yep. He's freaking out. Probably got drunk and wrote that email.

130 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:42:22pm

re: #60 Gus 802

They are like moles coming up from the darkness -- twitching and blinking their eyes. //

"We used to shoot Womp Rats in Beggar's Canyon back home!" - Luke Skywalker

131 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:42:36pm

If Charles goes to hell, it might be an upgrade from living in the heads of stalkers.

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:42:43pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

If ID has no relation to religion, as Melanie Phillips claims, then why are outraged Christians sending hatemail quoting scripture about it?

It was the lunatic rantings of Pat Robertson on the Dover trial that gave me my "Ah ha!" moment.

133 livefreeor die  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:04pm

Now I've got the "Christmastime in Hell" song from South Park running through my head.

134 Jim in Virginia  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:08pm

Tas Walker is a hoot!
Where did the water from Noah's flood go? During the flood the ocean basins sank (relative to the continents) and all the water ran into them.

135 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:24pm

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He'll be sharing a room with Barry Manilow.


LOL.....nice thread like!

136 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:28pm

re: #121 looking closely

I don't see how you can accept "micro-evolution" but reject "macro-evolution" since the latter is just a logical extension of the former.

Tas Walker accuses people of avoiding the arguments of IDers and creationists, but that question of what stops micro- from becoming macro-evolution has been roundly ignored and avoided by some who post here, every time it's been asked.

137 funky chicken  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:29pm

re: #109 DistantThunder

OT: My daughter in Fort Worth, who is 6 months pregnant, says they've closed all the schools in her area - and she woke up feeling really badly and tonight - she has a fever. Her husband just ran to the drug store for a thermometer - but get this: her OB?gYN doesn't have an after hours number - recording says to call in the AM or call 911. That's wrong.

I'm waiting to hear after she takes her temperature.

No after hours number for pregnant women? If she's not too far along, she needs to switch doctors. Even if she is quite far along, she might want to switch doctors.

If she's got a fever and other flu symptoms she may want to brave the ER. She can take Relenza while pregnant, I believe.

138 DistantThunder  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:35pm

Charles is great at Whack-A-Mole.

139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:43:47pm

re: #104 Irish Rose

God is love!

Some of his followers are the ones filled with hate and venom.

140 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:44:14pm

re: #128 Irish Rose

Oh goody, are we talking accordions now?

Yes we are.

141 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #40 zombie

The problem for Tas is that the entire island of Australia pretty much conclusively proves Darwin's theory, what with the marsupials filling the same ecological niches as the mammals on other continents.

Mammal:

142 Ulairi  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:44:51pm

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

143 Rich H  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:45:38pm

The ID movement is one of the best organized facets of the religious/conservative movement. They have been politically marginalized in the last 2 national elections. We face great cultural challenges in our society. Yet they pour their resources into teaching creationism in public school.

Go figure.

144 Mithrax  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:45:39pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

Yeah. it's always evolving :P

145 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:45:52pm

re: #141 Macker

Mammal:

[Video]

I had a feeling someone was gonna post that!

146 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:45:53pm

re: #138 DistantThunder

Charles is great at Whack-A-Mole.

He gets so much practice.

147 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:45:54pm

Small world: looks like that could be David T from Harry's Place in the comments on the Melanie Phillips article as well:

Oh Melanie, please, not again!

Look, I will fight tooth and nail to protect the religious - and other intellectual and cultural - freedoms.

However, can we please keep theology, and this defence of religious sentiment dressed up as science, out of biology lessons.

PS: If Humphries believes something is reasonable, it almost certainly isn't.

148 DistantThunder  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:45:56pm

re: #137 funky chicken

No after hours number for pregnant women? If she's not too far along, she needs to switch doctors. Even if she is quite far along, she might want to switch doctors.

If she's got a fever and other flu symptoms she may want to brave the ER. She can take Relenza while pregnant, I believe.

Yeah, she's not too happy with this place. I'm going to call her now. She actaully has a perinatologist because she has a bleeding disorder - so she can probably contact them.

149 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:46:08pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

There is a lot of money to be made if you can intelligently design your own organisms.

Isn't curious how the proponents of "intelligent design" are also against that sort of thing?

150 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:46:33pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

I just see a growth.

A cancerous growth.

151 schnapp  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:46:33pm

re: #139 FurryOldGuyJeans

Some of his followers are the ones filled with hate and venom.

All I can say is: RoP

152 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:46:55pm

re: #144 Mithrax

Yeah. it's always evolving :P

Low start-up costs. No education required. No examination and no licensing. It's easy to become an Intelligent Design Practitioner.

Get up and call in now! //

153 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:47:00pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

Yeah- we can get some "degrees" from the creation institute, then ask the DI for a big, fat grant for some "research" project, and then when they want us to deliver, we can send them a Bible while we're partying on their dime. BRILLIANT!

154 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:47:11pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

If Charles goes to hell, it might be an upgrade from living in the heads of stalkers.

*Pulls card*

Go to hell, go directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

If I must, but why can't I have my $200?!?!

155 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:47:18pm

re: #151 schnapp

All I can say is: RoP

White Supremacists and the Klan also come to mind.

156 schnapp  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:47:23pm

re: #152 Gus 802

Low start-up costs. No education required. No examination and no licensing. It's easy to become an Intelligent Design Practitioner.

Get up and call in now! //

No brain required either.

157 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:47:47pm

re: #156 schnapp

No brain required either.

That's encouraged. //

158 funky chicken  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:48:17pm

Unbelievable:

Many people think the earth is billions of years old. But geologist Dr Tas Walker shows that the evidence actually fits best with the biblical record of history. Dr Walker challenges us: How can we know the age of the earth? He shows why there is only one reliable way to know the age of anything—find out in this illustrated presentation. (High School–Adult) 56 mins.

[Link: store.creation.com...]

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:48:28pm

re: #149 looking closely

There is a lot of money to be made if you can intelligently design your own organisms.

Isn't curious how the proponents of "intelligent design" are also against that sort of thing?

I sure wish I could design my own orgasms.

Oh wait, you said ORGANISMS. Ooops! ;)

160 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:48:40pm

re: #152 Gus 802

Low start-up costs. No education required. No examination and no licensing. It's easy to become an Intelligent Design Practitioner.

Get up and call in now! //

Any biology grad student who has created a recombinant plasmid has technically performed some sort of "intelligent design".

161 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:48:48pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Yep. He's freaking out. Probably got drunk and wrote that email.

Yeah, he seemed like a ball of rage. Creationists are funny at all times but especially when they're angry.

You've probably seen this before but there's no better illustration:

162 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:48:55pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

That guy from Lifelock is making money hand over fist.

163 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:49:49pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

Time to call in Billy Mays......or maybe the ShamWow guy.

164 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:50:15pm

re: #122 Jimmah
What? Where? I went and looked couldn't find it!

165 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:50:31pm

Intelligent design proponents are stylishly in step with postmodernism.
They think that science is simply another 'narrative,' and it's time for their own preferred truth to supplant it.

166 SpaceJesus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:50:37pm

"that's not a science, this is a science"

"but that's not a science, that's a spoon."

"ah aye see you've played science-y spoon-sy before mate"

167 Ojoe  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:50:52pm

Here comes the sunset on some big scientific instruments on the top of Mt. Wilson, in the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Towercam! Pacific time zone.

See the snow telescope.

Later the twinkly lights of LA will come on, down on the flats.

Good Evening All

168 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:50:53pm

OT:

So-called "right winger" wins Presidency in Panama.

Anyone know if this guy is really a "right winger" or is this simply an example of the BBC calling a capitalist a "right winger".

169 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:50:59pm

re: #163 Big Steve

Time to call in Billy Mays......or maybe the ShamWow guy.

So you are going to make us choose between "But wait... There's MORE!" and "You followin' me, camera guy?"

You are not a nice person!

170 SpaceJesus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:51:00pm

god i miss when the simpsons was funny

171 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:51:35pm

re: #161 Jimmah


You've probably seen this before but there's no better illustration:


[Video]

Weird sensation -- Richard Dawkins has the exact same computer as the one I'm currently using. It was like looking into one of those trick mirrors.

172 RubinCompServ  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:51:49pm

Sounds like you could use a "Get Out Of Hell Free" card !

173 Rich H  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #90 Charles

The difference is that "intelligent design" advocates are sneakier than creationists.

I actually respect the creationists more, although that's not saying much. At least they're not trying to trick people.

"Scientific" creationism isn't trickery?

174 schnapp  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:51:58pm

re: #170 SpaceJesus

god i miss when the simpsons was funny

I know, it's almost painful to watch the new ones . .

175 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:52:28pm

re: #161 Jimmah

Yeah, he seemed like a ball of rage. Creationists are funny at all times but especially when they're angry.

You've probably seen this before but there's no better illustration:


[Video]

Perfect. I like the way he reads the run-on sentence/paragraph.

They seem to have a thing about automobiles.

176 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:52:38pm

re: #165 jaunte

Intelligent design proponents are stylishly in step with postmodernism.
They think that science is simply another 'narrative,' and it's time for their own preferred truth to supplant it.

That is actually quite deep!

Postmodernism and truthiness are actually one and the same!

177 Hucbald  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:52:41pm

Classic Christo-tard. And, I say that as a Christian.

178 Altermite  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:53:06pm

re: #160 looking closely

Any biology grad student who has created a recombinant plasmid has technically performed some sort of "intelligent design".

I just did this last semester, as an undergrad. The equipment for this is getting pretty cheap nowadays.

It wasn't a very good design, though. They all died the first time we tried it. (didn't transform correctly, and they wound up all getting killed by the antibioitic the first time round)

179 Irish Rose  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:53:24pm

You know Charles, they serve jelly donuts on the 7th ring of hell.
You're stuck with the powdered ones if you end up on the 5th.
Plain ones, if you're stuck in purgatory.

Aim high.

180 Ojoe  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:53:32pm

re: #165 jaunte

Their "own truth". Right.

Truth has a certain unity, you cannot have your own truth, that implies multiple truths.

There can be a great variety of errors however.

Postmodernism contains not a few.

BBL

181 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:54:02pm

re: #179 Irish Rose

You know Charles, they serve jelly donuts on the 7th ring of hell.
You're stuck with the powdered ones if you end up on the 5th.
Plain ones, if you're stuck in purgatory.

Aim high.

Where are the cream filled crullers?

182 Ojoe  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:54:33pm

re: #179 Irish Rose

Frozen jelly donuts, in fact.

Aim low.

183 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:54:38pm

Evolution: The Game of Intelligent Life

I wanna start out as the fish who walks on his fins. He seems like such a smartass.

184 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:54:40pm

re: #164 pingjockey

What? Where? I went and looked couldn't find it!

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

18th comment from the top.

185 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:54:44pm

re: #181 FurryOldGuyJeans

Where are the cream filled crullers?

reserved for Mormon's only

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:55:14pm

re: #185 Big Steve

reserved for Mormon's only

Then I just want a Berliner, ok?

187 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:55:25pm

re: #178 Altermite

I just did this last semester, as an undergrad. The equipment for this is getting pretty cheap nowadays.

It wasn't a very good design, though. They all died the first time we tried it. (didn't transform correctly, and they wound up all getting killed by the antibioitic the first time round)

/So not only were you a practitioner of intelligent design, but you also committed genocide.

188 zombie  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:55:31pm

re: #179 Irish Rose

You know Charles, they serve jelly donuts on the 7th ring of hell.
You're stuck with the powdered ones if you end up on the 5th.
Plain ones, if you're stuck in purgatory.

Aim high.

If you get down to the 8th ring, you get to meet Mohammed!

Actually, the people in the 8th ring have it pretty cushy, because they have prime balcony seats for the Judas-chewin' extravaganza in the 9th ring!

189 Big Steve  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:55:31pm

Well folks out of here to watch Breaking Bad....

190 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:56:02pm

re: #179 Irish Rose

You know Charles, they serve jelly donuts on the 7th ring of hell.
You're stuck with the powdered ones if you end up on the 5th.
Plain ones, if you're stuck in purgatory.

Aim high.

What ring are we in if they constantly say "Time to make the donuts!"

191 solomonpanting  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:56:02pm
I enjoyed Lewis’s book because she so vividly demonstrated that the billion-year age of the earth is subjective and arbitrary. Thus, it is perfectly valid scientifically to start with the biblical data on the age of the earth and interpret the scientific evidence accordingly. In reality, the only sure way of knowing the age of anything is by reliable eyewitnesses.

Ouch!

192 Ojoe  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:56:39pm

re: #179 Irish Rose

Where are the maple bars?

193 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #182 Ojoe

Frozen jelly donuts, in fact.

Aim low.

Frozen Jell Donuts? In HELL?

Were you paying attention in Sunday School?

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:57:24pm

re: #191 solomonpanting

Such circular logic is gouging huge tiremarks out in the parking lot. That was very painful reading.

195 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:57:46pm

re: #192 Ojoe

Where are the maple bars?

With the Lutherans and Methodists.

196 looking closely  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #191 solomonpanting

In reality, the only sure way of knowing the age of anything is by reliable eyewitnesses.


"Reliable eyewitness" is one of those oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp" and "military intelligence".

197 solomonpanting  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:59:29pm

re: #196 looking closely

"Reliable eyewitness" is one of those oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp" and "military intelligence".

I agree with the first, not necessarily the second.

198 Ojoe  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:59:36pm

re: #193 SteveC

Actually in the Inferno Dante has the 9th level down, frozen.

& I read the Inferno, but I did not go to sunday school.

The Inferno has a good new translation by, I believe, Robert Pinski.

Someone can correct if I am mis-remembering his name.

BBL

199 capitalist piglet  Sun, May 3, 2009 6:59:53pm

re: #139 FurryOldGuyJeans

Some of his followers are the ones filled with hate and venom.

In all fairness to my fellow believers, you'd have a hard time finding a human being who doesn't have at least a little bit of hate and venom in the reserve tank.

That said, if Tas is trying to convince people to convert to Christianity, I would say he needs to brush up on his witnessing skillz.

Tas, if you're - oh, what am I saying? - since you're reading this:

Take some time out. Think about your future. And in the meantime, drive carefully.

Is that supposed to be persuasive in some way? To me, as a Christian, it's embarrassing. Snark is not an evangelism tool. Even if a man were open to Christianity, you would drive him away. Maybe you're the one who needs to "think".

200 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:00:16pm
201 Racer X  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:00:28pm
202 Ojoe  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:00:52pm

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

ROFLMAO

203 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:01:08pm

Odd when you think about it. Imagine someone being involved in a burn accident in which they receive 3rd degree burns all over their body. If they even survive I couldn't even imagine the pain and anguish that someone would have to suffer because of those injuries.

Now imagine hoping that someone should suffer that same pain not for one day or a month but for eternity. Not 1000 years, but millions of years -- to infinity as they proclaim. What a sadistic and evil thought -- pain, suffering and literal torture for infinity.

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:02:10pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

It is a growth industry. NASDAQ Symbol: DOOM

205 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:03:10pm

re: #199 capitalist piglet

You Go, Piglet! Big Upding!

206 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:03:40pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Perfect. I like the way he reads the run-on sentence/paragraph.

They seem to have a thing about automobiles.

I think automobile accidents must be considered one of Gods major modes of interacting with his world by these people.

207 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:03:43pm

re: #203 Gus 802

It's a vile, threatening, manipulative technique.

Not to mention self-contradictory and silly.

208 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:03:53pm
209 Irish Rose  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:04:44pm

re: #199 capitalist piglet

Ding, ding, ding!

210 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:04:46pm

re: #206 Jimmah

I think automobile accidents must be considered one of Gods major modes of interacting with his world by these people.

Seems like it. Kind of like Jerry Falwell's "Automobile Rapture" statement.

211 WindHorse  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:05:02pm

re: #203 Gus 802

I have a friend who is pushing 60. when he was 12, he was helping his dad fuel their boat. Someone was smoking. My friend ended up with third degree burns on 70% of his body. He was lucky to survive.

he has suffered immeasurably in his life.

His personality is untouched. he is one of the nicest, most thoughtful people I have ever met.

For some "clever" piece of human excrement to wish this on anyone assures said piece of shit a special place in Hell.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #199 capitalist piglet

The force is strong within you.

Thanks.

213 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:05:44pm
214 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:05:49pm

re: #184 Jimmah

Thanks!

215 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:06:10pm

re: #206 Jimmah

Or 'instruments of his justice" would be a better way of putting it.

216 solomonpanting  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #203 Gus 802

You don't mean to say that "turn the other cheek" or "love the sinner, not the sin" are to be applied, uh, randomly, are you?

217 itellu3times  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:07:12pm

re: #121 looking closely

I don't see how you can accept "micro-evolution" but reject "macro-evolution" since the latter is just a logical extension of the former. (Well, OK, you CAN reject one or the other, just not with intellectual honesty or consistency).

One can be an orthodox evolutionary biologist, and still be mystified about *exactly* how evolution works. Why do all dogs have exactly four legs? Thinking about it, aren't we damned lucky that evolution moves really slowly?! But the exact mechanism by which it does this, is still curious. We'll figure it out eventually, and of course then it will all look obvious. It's actually a very exciting problem and very much at the front of research.

218 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:07:32pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Odd when you think about it. Imagine someone being involved in a burn accident in which they receive 3rd degree burns all over their body. If they even survive I couldn't even imagine the pain and anguish that someone would have to suffer because of those injuries.

Now imagine hoping that someone should suffer that same pain not for one day or a month but for eternity. Not 1000 years, but millions of years -- to infinity as they proclaim. What a sadistic and evil thought -- pain, suffering and literal torture for infinity.

Well, the way I think of it is this way: I believe there is a Hell, but I pray that is empty as possible. It is my conviction that a good Christian should not want anyone to be in Hell, and should work to help people come to the light of God's truth. This does not mean saying things like "You're beliefs are wrong! You'll burn in Hell!" It means explaining your cause and why your position is the moral one. I don't think God makes correct opinion on creationism a key determining factor on who gets into Heaven, I think He cares far more about how we treat our fellow man.

219 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:07:37pm

Hmm, Tas has decent house in Queensland. Two car garage. Looks like he needs a new curb cut for his driveway.

220 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:08:46pm

BBIAB!

221 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:09:00pm

The archetypal creationist 'take care' message:

"Drive safely now. Watch out for those church vans. Wouldn't want you to get into any "accidents", what with your going straight to hell for ever when you die and all..."

222 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:09:35pm

re: #208 Iron Fist

Is it ok if you put a longer barrel on first?
[Link: www.impulsegunbarrels.com...]

223 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:09:39pm

re: #216 solomonpanting

You don't mean to say that "turn the other cheek" or "love the sinner, not the sin" are to be applied, uh, randomly, are you?

I don't know. I don't think it's the job of mere mortals to be predicting or wishing for damnation on anyone. As for random application, uh, I have no idea.

224 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:09:47pm

re: #136 jaunte

but that question of what stops micro- from becoming macro-evolution has been roundly ignored and avoided by some who post here, every time it's been asked.

What you mean why are horses horses? And no longer eohippus? The question isn't what keeps organisms the same. We can see them thriving and can see many are perfectly adapted to their environments. The question is why do we find extint animals that look suspiciously like horses but not quite and in that same geological strata we find no modern horses. So what happened to those old versions and why do we have a new version. That's the question.

I think the answer is pressures in the environment caused horses to evolve from tiny eohippus to big modern horses. Such as big fast predators selected for longer legged horses. The shortest, slowest ones were culled causing fast longer legged ones to produce more offspring. After many thousands of generations the little guys genes weren't in the pool anymore and only the bigger ones. Everyone once in awhile you get a throwback and if the predator pressure is gone they can become smaller again.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:09:53pm

re: #179 Irish Rose

On which ring do they serve tri-tip? I need to know what to aim for.

226 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:11:05pm

By the way, I just searched my email folders, and I have 60 emails from ol' Tas, starting in July 2008.

227 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:11:09pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Sounds good.

228 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:12:06pm

re: #226 Charles

By the way, I just searched my email folders, and I have 60 emails from ol' Tas, starting in July 2008.

Super stalker!

229 capitalist piglet  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:12:09pm

re: #226 Charles

By the way, I just searched my email folders, and I have 60 emails from ol' Tas, starting in July 2008.

Do they all sound like they were written by a Christian Tony Soprano?

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:12:31pm

re: #226 Charles

You don't have one of those fancy "Delete" keys?

231 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:12:59pm

re: #208 Iron Fist

OT, but cool. IDF T-shirts. They also have a shoulder stock for a glock that is pretty cool. The only problem is that you can go to jail for buying one. No joke. Having the stock and a Glock can put you away even if you don't put the stock on the weapon. Wah.

There are some 16.1" Barrels for Glocks out there. Put one of those on the Glock and its not a pistol, but a rifle and thus legal.

232 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:13:17pm

re: #226 Charles

By the way, I just searched my email folders, and I have 60 emails from ol' Tas, starting in July 2008.

How many of them tell you you're on the express bus for Hades?

233 Altermite  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:13:23pm

re: #229 capitalist piglet

And if you don't agree with me, you'll find yourself with broken kneecaps burning in hell

234 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:14:03pm

re: #226 Charles

By the way, I just searched my email folders, and I have 60 emails from ol' Tas, starting in July 2008.

Sounds like a potential comedy goldmine!

235 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:14:46pm

re: #224 dwells38

The micro- vs. macro- question has been asked a few times of creationists who would occasionally show up in these threads. They would accept 'micro' (bacteria learning to eat nylon, lizards changing characteristics, etc.) but if they could insist that the organism could still be regarded as belonging to the same biblical "kind" they would not agree that the smaller changes added up to "macro-evolution." None have answered the question of what prevents enough micro from becoming macro.

236 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:14:55pm

re: #226 Charles

Does he complain about other things aside from evolution?

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:14:59pm

re: #224 dwells38

I've been asking creationists that question for months and none of them have an answer. I don't any of them ever will answer that question.

238 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:15:07pm

The Alex Jones show uses "Welcome to the Jungle" for its' intro.
heh.

239 WindHorse  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:16:11pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

no doubt.

240 WindHorse  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:16:48pm

re: #239 WindHorse

maybe not in using this venue..... but - I am sure that he does.

241 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:17:37pm

re: #208 Iron Fist

They also have a shoulder stock for a glock that is pretty cool. The only problem is that you can go to jail for buying one

Really? Why, because it turns into a "sawed off rifle"?

242 Dartmouth  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:17:59pm

Uh, why is this post titled with quotes around "Burn in Hell" -- or even with those words at all?

He didn't even use that phrase, so why put words in his mouth to misleadingly make it look like his email was just as nasty as some of the left-wing hate mail you get? However (understandably) patronizing the email made you feel, it reads like he sent it out of concern.

243 Egregious Philbin  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:18:34pm

I belong to "Answers in Genitals"

Lots more fun.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:19:28pm

Carl Crawford (Tampa Bay Rays) stole six bases today in a game. 6 bases. Wow.

245 jaunte  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:19:31pm

re: #242 Dartmouth

"Think about your future. And in the meantime, drive carefully."

What's your interpretation?

246 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:20:00pm

re: #241 Occasional Reader

Really? Why, because it turns into a "sawed off rifle"?

Yes, adding a stock to a pistol turns it into a Short Barreled Rifle. Having a stock for a pistol and the pistol intself is considered by the BATFE to be Constructive Possession. Either offense is punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #242 Dartmouth

This...

Think about your future. And in the meantime, drive carefully.

...is not concern, but a poorly veiled threat. "Change your ways or my god is gonna take you out".

248 capitalist piglet  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:20:34pm

re: #242 Dartmouth

Uh, why is this post titled with quotes around "Burn in Hell" -- or even with those words at all?

He didn't even use that phrase, so why put words in his mouth to misleadingly make it look like his email was just as nasty as some of the left-wing hate mail you get? However (understandably) patronizing the email made you feel, it reads like he sent it out of concern.

It doesn't to me. It reads like he sent it out of a sense of spiritual superiority. If he sent it out of a sense of concern, he should send a second email and make that crystal clear right now, along with an apology for his approach.

249 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:21:00pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

This...

...is not concern, but a poorly veiled threat. "Change your ways or my god is gonna take you out".

Essentially it's a death wish.

250 acwgusa  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:21:07pm

Firing tenured teachers can be a costly and tortuous task

It is quite obvious here in California, our children isn't learning. What we need in addition to the No Child Left Behind, is the Fire Incompetent Teachers Expediently Act.

251 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:21:13pm

re: #238 SasquatchOnSteroids

The Alex Jones show uses "Welcome to the Jungle" for its' intro.
heh.

Rotten show, Great song:

252 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:21:15pm
253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:21:38pm

re: #248 capitalist piglet

Hey Piglet...? He's busy right now. He's spanking a monkey.

254 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:22:17pm

re: #242 Dartmouth

Uh, why is this post titled with quotes around "Burn in Hell" -- or even with those words at all?

He didn't even use that phrase, so why put words in his mouth to misleadingly make it look like his email was just as nasty as some of the left-wing hate mail you get? However (understandably) patronizing the email made you feel, it reads like he sent it out of concern.

Hey, good for you! Congrats on finally working up the courage to actually post a comment, instead of just down-dinging every evolution-related post.

255 Desert Dog  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:22:59pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Rotten show, Great song:


[Video]

He should change it to this one:

256 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Yes, adding a stock to a pistol turns it into a Short Barreled Rifle. Having a stock for a pistol and the pistol intself is considered by the BATFE to be Constructive Possession. Either offense is punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison.

Which just goes to show, "the law is an ass".

257 WindHorse  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:23:10pm

The Bible says everyone of us will be judged by our Creator and required to give an account of our lives, of the deeds we have done in our bodies.

To anyone with a third grade education (and the associated life experience), this would be fairly clear. Go finish your juicebox and take a nap.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:23:29pm

re: #243 Egregious Philbin

Small world, so do I. The neat part is that you can get to a conclusive answer in 10 minutes or less. The answer is almost always the same, but it is always fun getting there.

259 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #255 Desert Dog

He should change it to this one:


LOL!

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:24:58pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

He's beyond kook. Pure fuckin' section 8.

"Marshal law is the only thing that will save us under Level 6. "

4 real.

DIG NOW !

261 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:25:09pm

Lemur loves to be fed insects

Om nom nom nom

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:25:13pm

re: #250 acwgusa

It is quite obvious here in California, our children isn't learning.

Clearly.

/just ribbing ya, no offense intended

263 Rich H  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:25:16pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Odd when you think about it. Imagine someone being involved in a burn accident in which they receive 3rd degree burns all over their body. If they even survive I couldn't even imagine the pain and anguish that someone would have to suffer because of those injuries.

Now imagine hoping that someone should suffer that same pain not for one day or a month but for eternity. Not 1000 years, but millions of years -- to infinity as they proclaim. What a sadistic and evil thought -- pain, suffering and literal torture for infinity.

Reading the Old Testament literally leads to all sorts of ethical problems.

* Adam and Eve were banished from Eden because of something they did before they knew right from wrong (before they ate from the tree of knowledge).

* Abraham was commanded by God to murder his son Isaak. Although it was only a test, Abraham was rewarded for making the wrong choice (willingness to take an innocent life.)

* Joshua and the Israelites slaughtered every man women and child in the conquered cities of Canaan. Today that would be considered genocide.

Interpreted literally, the Bible is not about universal moral truths, but rather about blind obedience. Such blind obedience often leads to acts of extreme moral outrages.

Religeous conservatives claim to reject moral relativism. Then they must also biblical literalism.

264 Irish Rose  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:25:35pm

re: #226 Charles


By the way, I just searched my email folders, and I have 60 emails from ol' Tas, starting in July 2008.



Sounds to me like the cheese has slipped off ol' Tas's cracker...

265 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #242 Dartmouth

Read this genius:

Eternal punishment comes in exactly the same way. None are in hell except those who choose to be. “The judgment is this — the light came into the world, but men loved the darkness instead of the light” (John 3:19).

266 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:26:01pm
267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:26:07pm

Alex Jones has a show?

268 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:27:21pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Alex Jones has a show?

People actually watch/listen to Alex Jones? Who'da thunk it?

269 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:27:26pm

re: #242 Dartmouth

He quotes from the bible to make one point only - you're going to hell. And then signs off with 'drive carefully'. Don't even try to pretend that that could be read as genuine 'concern'.

270 Egregious Philbin  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:27:44pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

Small world, so do I. The neat part is that you can get to a conclusive answer in 10 minutes or less. The answer is almost always the same, but it is always fun getting there.

Sometimes, in Thailand, you get a surprise when you get there....

271 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #226 Charles

Dang! How many folders do you actually have!

272 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:28:12pm

re: #266 Iron Fist

Yeah. Its funny. You can buy all the parts to put together a number of different short-barreled rifles and it technically isn't illegal to buy the parts, but it may be illegal to have the parts. It is just arbitrary.

I saw a couple of guys at the range today who had ordnance that was making me highly jealous. H&K UMP with a suppressor, and a full frame Glock (not sure the model), also with a suppressor. I assume they were LEO.

273 acwgusa  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:28:14pm

re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth

Clearly.

/just ribbing ya, no offense intended

That was actually intentional, as a play on the story.

274 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:28:20pm

He who haz spice haz world.....

Wormsign!

275 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:28:53pm

re: #260 SasquatchOnSteroids

He's beyond kook. Pure fuckin' section 8.

"Marshal law is the only thing that will save us under Level 6. "

4 real.

DIG NOW !

At the rate Jones is digging, he'll be China's problem before autumn.

276 Racer X  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:28:54pm

The Lone Ranger was ambushed and captured by an enemy Indian War Party. The Indian Chief proclaims, "So, YOU are the great Lone Ranger ....In honor of the Harvest Festival, YOU will be executed in three days. Before I kill you, I grant you three requests"

"What is your FIRST request ?

The Lone Ranger responds, "I'd like to speak to my horse."

The Chief nods and Silver is brought before the Lone Ranger who whispers in Silver's ear, and the horse gallops away.

Later that evening, Silver returns with a beautiful blonde woman on his back. As the Indian Chief watches, the blonde enters the Lone Ranger's tent and spends the night.

The next morning the Indian Chief admits he's impressed.. "You have a very fine and loyal horse", But I will still kill you in two days. What is your SECOND request ?"

The Lone Ranger again asks to speak to his horse. Silver is brought to him, and he again whispers in the horse's ear. As before, Silver takes off and disappears over the horizon.

Later that evening, to the Chief's surprise, Silver again returns, this time with a voluptuous brunette, more attractive than the blonde. She enters the Lone Rangers tent and spends the night.

The following morning the Indian Chief is again impressed.
"You are indeed a man of many talents, But I will still kill you tomorrow. What is your LAST request ?"

The Lone Ranger responds,

"I'd like to speak to my horse, .... alone."

The Chief is curious, but he agrees, and Silver is brought to the Lone Ranger's tent.

Once they're alone, the Lone Ranger grabs Silver by both ears, looks him square in the eye and says,

"Listen Very Carefully !FOR... THE... LAST... TIME...I SAID ...

BRING POSSE"

277 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:29:18pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

He who haz spice haz world.....

[Video]Wormsign!

"Wormsign like God himself has never seen!"

278 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:29:36pm

re: #264 Irish Rose

re: #226 Charles

Sounds to me like the cheese has slipped off ol' Tas's cracker...

In the enlightened times of the One .. he tends to waffle a bit.

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:30:04pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Alex Jones has a show?

He's had one for a long time now. I first became aware of him sometime during Clinton's first term. The insanity cleared my nasty case of CDS right up.

280 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:30:47pm

re: #272 Occasional Reader

I saw a couple of guys at the range today who had ordnance that was making me highly jealous. H&K UMP with a suppressor, and a full frame Glock (not sure the model), also with a suppressor. I assume they were LEO.

the City range here in ABQ is used by all the local agencies...droool...some cool stuff we buy for those guys

281 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:30:49pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Alex Jones has a show?

Tom Jones has a son?

282 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:31:19pm

re: #235 jaunte

The micro- vs. macro- question has been asked a few times of creationists who would occasionally show up in these threads. They would accept 'micro' (bacteria learning to eat nylon, lizards changing characteristics, etc.) but if they could insist that the organism could still be regarded as belonging to the same biblical "kind" they would not agree that the smaller changes added up to "macro-evolution." None have answered the question of what prevents enough micro from becoming macro.

Ah..now I'm with you. Sorry to preach to a choir member.

I've heard of that before where they try to say Australopithicenes or Afarensis are just weird apes. It's a weak branch to try to sit on. They also try to say Neanderthals are merely humans despite the obvious distinct morphology.

Neanderthal DNA has been successfully recovered and analyzed and we only share around 95% DNA with them. That's the same as Chimps. So are Neanderthals Chimps or humans?

Silly contortions to try to preserve the literal interpretation of their holy book of course.

283 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:31:21pm

re: #281 Buster Bunny

Tom Jim Jones has a son?

FTFY

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:31:36pm

re: #273 acwgusa

In that case, good job.

285 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:31:38pm

re: #281 Buster Bunny

Tom Jones has a son?

It's not unusual!

286 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:33:08pm
287 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:34:08pm

sneak attack

288 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:34:20pm

re: #224 dwells38


Everyone once in awhile you get a throwback and if the predator pressure is gone they can become smaller again.


You can get throwbacks at at huge discount at Odd Lots. I like the burgundy ones with the fringe... sometimes the other shoppers are really predatory, too.
wait, you mean...?
/

289 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:34:28pm

re: #285 SteveC

It's not unusual!

I mean Indiana didnt go to archaeology school just so his son Alex could end up on talkback. Heck .. he wanted him to have a REAL job.

290 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:34:39pm

re: #286 Iron Fist

I thought you needed a Fed Class III license for a suppressor (not to mention any state requirements)?

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:34:53pm

Alex's Wiki page is not very kind to him. Kind of plays him off as a nut.

292 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:35:02pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

At the rate Jones is digging, he'll be China's problem before autumn.

What might he find in the Earths' Core ?
Oh My God ! I found Elvis ! He's got a 13" black and white with rabbit ears and aluminum foil tuned to FoxNews and found the cure for Borneo Jungle Fungus !

293 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:35:11pm

re: #287 albusteve

sneak attack


[Video]

Serenity now! Serenity now!

//

294 Desert Dog  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:35:29pm

re: #287 albusteve

sneak attack


You know Steve, there are laws against deploying nuclear weapons. I am going to the UN tomorrow and demand they send you a strongly worded letter in response to this gross violation of international law.

295 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:35:41pm

re: #289 Buster Bunny

I mean Indiana didnt go to archaeology school just so his son Alex could end up on talkback. Heck .. he wanted him to have a REAL job.

So it's true! Indy was raped by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, and Alex Jones is the result of that rape!

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:36:02pm

re: #287 albusteve

Ah. A Manilow thread. Charles must have not been careful driving.

297 freetoken  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:36:09pm

How did this fly under the screen?

Why a GOP Benefactor Switched Parties

In what one might call a biblical move, Christian philanthropist Howard Ahmanson -- one of three major funders of the campaign for California's Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriages -- has abandoned the GOP for the Democratic Party.

My mind boggles at what could come of crossing the DI with the DNC....

/uh oh....

298 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:36:39pm

re: #295 Alouette

So it's true! Indy was raped by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, and Alex Jones is the result of that rape!

What did you think the bullwhip was for? Action movies or something?

299 freetoken  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:36:57pm

I think I just saw a pig fly by window...

300 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:37:03pm

re: #294 Desert Dog

You know Steve, there are laws against deploying nuclear weapons. I am going to the UN tomorrow and demand they send you a strongly worded letter in response to this gross violation of international law.

re: #294 Desert Dog

You know Steve, there are laws against deploying nuclear weapons. I am going to the UN tomorrow and demand they send you a strongly worded letter in response to this gross violation of international law.

don't bother me...I got a Barry groove on

301 freetoken  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:37:45pm

... being chased by a unicorn...

302 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:38:12pm

I also bought some Glaser "Pow'r Ball" ammo as sort of an impulse buy... which, now that I've read up about it, may have been dumb. I'm not seeing the stuff getting glowing reviews, given the price.

But everyone seems to like my primary .45 ACP load, Federal HST, which makes me feel a little better.

303 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:38:19pm

re: #297 freetoken

How did this fly under the screen?

Why a GOP Benefactor Switched Parties

My mind boggles at what could come of crossing the DI with the DNC....

/uh oh....

Cornfusing. //

304 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:38:40pm

re: #301 freetoken

... being chased by a unicorn...

You gotta be careful there. Those unicorns .. always horny.

305 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:38:46pm

re: #263 Rich H

Cherrypicking, and incomplete expoundments on the nature of the Old Testament. Typical ploy to damage Judaism and Christianity. Please read the entire Bible, then get back to us.

306 mich-again  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:39:52pm

Here's a "Burn in Hell" video clip featuring Dee Snyder and Pee Wee Herman.

307 Desert Dog  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:39:58pm

re: #297 freetoken

How did this fly under the screen?

Why a GOP Benefactor Switched Parties

My mind boggles at what could come of crossing the DI with the DNC....

/uh oh....

Yes, he'll get loads of support for his ban gay marriage platform over on the Dem side while he is paying his extra 30-40% in taxes. Wonder how he got so rich? Let me guess, did he inherit?

308 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:40:00pm

re: #305 NelsFree

Cherrypicking, and incomplete expoundments on the nature of the Old Testament. Typical ploy to damage Judaism and Christianity. Please read the entire Bible, then get back to us.

I just read the end of the Bible. Whaddya know .. it was Moses that did it !

309 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:40:27pm

re: #288 NelsFree

You can get throwbacks at at huge discount at Odd Lots. I like the burgundy ones with the fringe... sometimes the other shoppers are really predatory, too.
wait, you mean...?
/

Right. Isn't Odd Lots kind of like the fossil trove from by-gone eras, er sales cycles of merchandise. Sort of like the La Brea tar pit of the retail world. They couldn't get any traction on the steep slope at Walmart and ended up sinking to the Odd Lot level where they're preserserved by lack of sales volume oxygen to be recovered by discount seeking "archeologists".

OK I think I stretched that analogy to the point it snapped back and hit me in the head.

310 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:41:06pm
311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:41:06pm

re: #287 albusteve

sneak attack


[Video]

Gah! I was saving this for RacerX, but you can have it. You deserve it.

312 freetoken  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:42:03pm

re: #307 Desert Dog

Let me guess, did he inherit?

By the boatload.

313 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:43:07pm

re: #297 freetoken

He probably got teabagged....

314 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:43:18pm

re: #287 albusteve

That seemed like a good lyric when I first heard it thirty years ago.

But now he really HAS been alive forever.

315 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:43:19pm

re: #309 dwells38

I have a triangular bandage for that.

316 Altermite  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:43:42pm

re: #305 NelsFree

speaking as someone who has a decent grasp on hebrew, and has read the bible, I don't see anything too wrong with his summaries. The book of joshua is essentially a list of different peoples that were slaughtered wholesale (apart from female children under a certain age, who were instead "taken as servants" iirc) on the way to the promised land, for varying offenses.

317 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:44:18pm
318 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:44:48pm

re: #287 albusteve

sneak attack

Rickrolled? We've been MANILOWED!

My God, son... what did we ever do to you?

319 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:45:11pm

The stalkers are ranting away again! Hey, that didn't take long.

Proving once again that I've moved into their heads, set up my living room furniture, taken a shower in their hippocampus, and totally, completely owned their every waking and sleeping moment.

Does it get any better than this?

320 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:45:32pm

re: #315 NelsFree

I have a triangular bandage for that.

Oh that's good because my head is triangular shaped.

321 Throbert McGee  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:45:41pm
You need to read, for example, the book by former atheist Antony Flew called “There is a God” in which he sets out the reasons why he became an atheist, and then the reasons why he abandoned atheism and became a theist.

It should be noted that Flew has been pretty emphatic about the point that when he "abandoned" his former atheism, he did not come within a quadrillion miles of endorsing any Supreme Being as specific as the God of Nicene Christianity that Tas Walker presumably believes in. Instead, Flew has described his post-atheistic stance as "deistic" -- that is, he infers the existence of an ordering intelligence behind the universe but doesn't ascribe any characteristics such as benevolence (or malevolence, for that matter) to this intelligence.

322 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:46:01pm

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

Gah! I was saving this for RacerX, but you can have it. You deserve it.

thanks...I booked it straight to bin

323 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #319 Charles

The stalkers are ranting away again! Hey, that didn't take long.

Proving once again that I've moved into their heads, set up my living room furniture, taken a shower in their hippocampus, and totally, completely own their every waking and sleeping moment.

Does it get any better than this?

Take a dump in their frontal lobe! I dare ya! :)

324 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:46:44pm
325 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:46:58pm

re: #308 Buster Bunny

I just read the end of the Bible. Whaddya know .. it was Moses that did it !

Robert Moses?

326 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:47:09pm

re: #323 SteveC

Take a dump in their frontal lobe! I dare ya! :)

And drink up all their beer! Don't forget that!

327 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:47:28pm

re: #319 Charles

I'll stoke the grill. So .. do we have any salads for the side dish? .. maybe a couple of tomatoes .. fresh onion .. and grilled troll buttocks .. sounds like a fresh feast !

328 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:47:33pm

re: #317 Iron Fist

I like 230 grain JHPs. We called them flying ashtray rounds when I was a kid.

I was thinking of Glaser Safe-T-Slugs as at least the first round in each loaded magazine, since I live in a building and don't want to, you know, shoot my neighbor. But I got talked out of them; seems they're unreliable given factors like heavy clothing, off angles, etc. Plus, they're even MORE expensive. The Pow'R Ball seemed like a good compromise. Mixed reviews, thought. But again, most of my .45acp ammo is indeed 230 gr. JHP, the HSTs, which everyone seems to like.

329 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:47:54pm

re: #319 Charles

The stalkers are ranting away again! Hey, that didn't take long.

Proving once again that I've moved into their heads, set up my living room furniture, taken a shower in their hippocampus, and totally, completely own their every waking and sleeping moment.

Does it get any better than this?

Invite zombie over for dinner.

330 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:48:38pm

re: #319 Charles

The stalkers are ranting away again! Hey, that didn't take long.

Proving once again that I've moved into their heads, set up my living room furniture, taken a shower in their hippocampus, and totally, completely own their every waking and sleeping moment.

Does it get any better than this?

Just don't spill beer on the corpus collusum and keep your feet off the medulla. It's not paid for.

331 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:49:23pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Ever notice .. that in the Agatha Christie novels .. its never that sweet little old Miss Marple who done it. Nooo .. she always has the answers ... and she just happens to be there when 3 or 4 people get murdered in their sleep .. or by poison .. or shot.

Such a nice little old lady. Always just happens to be there JUST before people die.

I'm suspicious.

332 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:49:24pm

re: #316 Altermite

It's just that mentioning only the brutal acts that were committed leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. Song of Solomon, Acts, Proverbs, Daniel; there is so much good in the Bible. Bringing up bloodshed and ignoring love and sacrifice does not lend itself to a deep understanding of God.
Now, I don't want a meltdown. Please put away the popcorn. My point is that it is easy to find parts of the Bible that are not nice. Let's not forget the nice parts.

333 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:49:33pm

re: #319 Charles

The stalkers are ranting away again! Hey, that didn't take long.

Proving once again that I've moved into their heads, set up my living room furniture, taken a shower in their hippocampus, and totally, completely owned their every waking and sleeping moment.

Does it get any better than this?

You know what happens when you take a shower in their hippocampus? They wind up using their brain stem. //

334 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:49:41pm

re: #324 Iron Fist

There is a broad consensus against gay marriage in this country right now.

And we dudes are generally against it, too.

/

335 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:50:26pm

re: #319 Charles

The stalkers are ranting away again! Hey, that didn't take long.

Proving once again that I've moved into their heads, set up my living room furniture, taken a shower in their hippocampus, and totally, completely owned their every waking and sleeping moment.

Does it get any better than this?

If you've been eating at their brains, I have to ask you: What do creationist brains taste like?

336 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:51:14pm

ZIP codes are artillery targets !
Acorn is co-ordinating with SWAT teams !
Your house is being GPS'd !
Save Yerself !

Yack.

337 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:51:20pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

If you've been eating at their brains, I have to ask you: What do creationist brains taste like?

Chicken

338 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:51:43pm

re: #321 Throbert McGee

Instead, Flew has described his post-atheistic stance as "deistic"

Gah, another one of these "I believe in, you know, some sort of, you know, higher woo-woo". Even as an atheist, I'd rather chat with an actual believer, who has some idea of what he believes in.

339 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:51:47pm

Charles is inside the wire...rampaging and doing havoc...the perps can't handle it and give themselves up, pushed into the zone by their irrational zealotry...it's almost unfair

340 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:52:04pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

If you've been eating at their brains, I have to ask you: What do creationist brains taste like?

I'm guessing light fare that leaves you wanting something more substantial.

341 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:52:10pm

re: #320 dwells38

Oh that's good because my head is triangular shaped.

You must have been really popular at the Tea Parties:
"Look, another tricorn hat!"
"Nope, look closer, it's just his head."
May I get a lock of your hair?
/

342 Desert Dog  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:52:16pm

re: #324 Iron Fist

Actually the Dems and the Republicans are virtually indistingushible on gay marriage. There is a broad consensus against gay marriage in this country right now.

The Dems would make it the law today, right now(look for it at a Congress near you). The Republicans....not. I just thought it ironic he would jump ship after financing such a polarizing position.

FYI, I am not really in favor of gay marriage. I am definitely in favor of a civil union that will grant identical rights.

343 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:52:40pm
344 Desert Dog  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:53:16pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

If you've been eating at their brains, I have to ask you: What do creationist brains taste like?

light and flaky with a little bitter aftertaste....not that I would know first hand.

345 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

Over 300 posts on a "burn in Hell" thread, and nobody's linked to "Disco Inferno" yet?

Fooblah.

346 SteveC  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:54:06pm

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

Over 300 posts on a "burn in Hell" thread, and nobody's linked to "Disco Inferno" yet?

Fooblah.

The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire.....

347 Rich H  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:54:10pm

re: #305 NelsFree

Cherrypicking, and incomplete expoundments on the nature of the Old Testament. Typical ploy to damage Judaism and Christianity. Please read the entire Bible, then get back to us.

I don't mean to denigrate religion. There are doubtless many passages in the Bible that are literally true. And there are many truths to be gleaned from Scripture if one interprets it in the right way.

But I reject the notion that every part of the Bible is literally true.

If you believe that every part of the Bible is literally true, then be prepared to defend the parts I have cited.

348 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:55:17pm

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

Over 300 posts on a "burn in Hell" thread, and nobody's linked to "Disco Inferno" yet?

Fooblah.

Happy? :)

349 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:55:53pm

re: #342 Desert Dog

The Dems would make it the law today, right now(look for it at a Congress near you). The Republicans....not. I just thought it ironic he would jump ship after financing such a polarizing position.

FYI, I am not really in favor of gay marriage. I am definitely in favor of a civil union that will grant identical rights.

I'm not particularly in favor or not, but I admit I'd like to attend one....see if they can throw a gayla or not

350 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:55:56pm

re: #345 Gus 802

[Video]

GMTA

351 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:56:03pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

[Video]

Happy? :)

Burn baby burn!

352 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:56:48pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

GMTA

I never realized what a great song that was back in the day.

353 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:56:55pm

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

Over 300 posts on a "burn in Hell" thread, and nobody's linked to "Disco Inferno" yet?

Fooblah.

As an atheist, my message to the intolerantly religious is: I'm your boogeyman, that's what I am. And I'm here to, do whatever I can.

354 zoidberg  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:57:19pm
The Bible says everyone of us will be judged by our Creator

required to give an account of our lives

When I was younger, my Dad used to ask me (in a rhetorical fashion) what I had done with my life. Such scornful judgment I used to receive from my creator :(

355 NY Nana  Sun, May 3, 2009 7:58:31pm

I noticed in the Wiki part of Charles' post, the following:

Dr. Tasman Bruce Walker has a doctorate in mechanical engineering from the University of Queensland. Dr. Walker worked for over twenty years in the electric power station industry in Australia.

Hmmm, could that have caused permanent brain damage, like frying a portion? It might explain a lot.

(I'm debating re using a sarc mark...decided I don't need it!)

356 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:00:36pm

re: #347 Rich H

I don't mean to denigrate religion. There are doubtless many passages in the Bible that are literally true. And there are many truths to be gleaned from Scripture if one interprets it in the right way.

But I reject the notion that every part of the Bible is literally true.

If you believe that every part of the Bible is literally true, then be prepared to defend the parts I have cited.

I believe that the Bible was written by people who were inspired by God. I believe that those who wrote about visions used the language of the day to explain something too complex for them to understand clearly. I believe that engaging in a long and convoluted discussion of the Bible would not produce significant changes in our positions. I also believe that whenever the word BUT is used in a sentence, it completely negates whatever was said before the BUT. I have eliminated BUT from my writings for that reason. Please keep your BUT out of my posts. Thank you for reading this, and may God bless you with richer understanding of His word.

357 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:01:27pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

[Video]Happy? :)

Being a Mac user, absolutely!

358 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:02:27pm

Highway to Hell

AC/DC

Also makes great background music for Taliban and JDAM videos.

359 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:02:59pm

The real question now is whether Melanie Phillips will start referring to me as "Chuckie."

360 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:03:04pm

re: #356 NelsFree

I have eliminated BUT from my writings for that reason. Please keep your BUT out of my posts.

HOWEVER sounds so much more professsional.

361 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:03:15pm

Good night.

362 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:04:23pm

re: #359 Charles

The real question now is whether Melanie Phillips will start referring to me as "Chuckie."

"Chuckie" dolls, keychains, pens, snowscrapers....$$$$

363 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:04:35pm

re: #359 Charles

Has anyone ever tried "Charleston"? Crap, hope I didn't give them any ideas.

364 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:04:56pm

re: #359 Charles

The real question now is whether Melanie Phillips will start referring to me as "Chuckie."

The genuflecting is sure to come.

Still waiting to see the "CAIR-Evolution connection" from Pam. //

365 NelsFree  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:06:01pm

It looks like this thread is easing on down for the evening, like Boy Scouts who have run around and gotten all sweaty, crawling into their sleeping bags and finally falling asleep. Scoutmaster Charles surveys the campsite, hands on hips, and says, "Day is done, gone the sun, from the hills, from the dales, from the sky. Go to sleep, all is well, God is nigh."
Good night, lizards.

366 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:06:12pm

Night folks :-)

367 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Highway to Hell

AC/DC


[Video]

Also makes great background music for Taliban and JDAM videos.

Or we could all just Go To Hell

368 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:06:47pm

re: #359 Charles

The real question now is whether Melanie Phillips will start referring to me as "Chuckie."

I hope she has more class than that. I would suggest that you send her an email that you do not make public letting her know what you like and respect about her. Try to build bridges with her. See if she's a hard-core Id'er or simply uninformed.

369 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:06:56pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

If you've been eating at their brains, I have to ask you: What do creationist brains taste like?

Taste like jello.

370 albusteve  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #356 NelsFree

I believe that the Bible was written by people who were inspired by God. I believe that those who wrote about visions used the language of the day to explain something too complex for them to understand clearly. I believe that engaging in a long and convoluted discussion of the Bible would not produce significant changes in our positions. I also believe that whenever the word BUT is used in a sentence, it completely negates whatever was said before the BUT. I have eliminated BUT from my writings for that reason. Please keep your BUT out of my posts. Thank you for reading this, and may God bless you with richer understanding of His word.

no, I suppose you are right...I've had visions too that were too complex for me to understand...should I write a book?

371 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:07:17pm

re: #365 NelsFree

re: #366 Jimmah

Later.

372 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #367 SasquatchOnSteroids

Or we could all just Go To Hell

Where's the A-10 Thunderbolt?

373 dwells38  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:08:42pm

re: #359 Charles

The real question now is whether Melanie Phillips will start referring to me as "Chuckie."

If someone posts a recording of Chuckie's in Love I'm going to scream.

Seriously what's with that when these media types have a spat with someone they have start messing with their name? Like O'Reilly having to refer to Franken as Stuart Smalley which I actually thought was one of Franken's funny characters and certainly anything but politically correct.

374 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #372 Gus 802

I apologize for missing the connection, clue me in.

375 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

I hope she has more class than that. I would suggest that you send her an email that you do not make public letting her know what you like and respect about her. Try to build bridges with her. See if she's a hard-core Id'er or simply uninformed.

You must have missed all the articles freetoken dug up in the previous thread. There's not much doubt left about where she stands on this; the article I responded to was just the latest in a long line.

She's also anti-vaccination.

And it gives me no joy to say any of this.

376 VioletTiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:10:11pm

re: #369 Alouette

Taste like jello.

There's always room for jello ;)

377 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:11:24pm

re: #374 SasquatchOnSteroids

I apologize for missing the connection, clue me in.

Oh, just that sometimes hardcore music reminds me of the Live Leak videos with AC/DC and such during the height of the wars.

A-10 Warthog - Shoot to thrill

Like that.

378 NY Nana  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:13:25pm

re: #369 Alouette

Taste like jello.

/Ever actually tasted them? Ick!

379 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:13:59pm

Pamela Geller is now pimping for Jack Wheeler, by the way.

This is the guy who claimed that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity.

Classy!

380 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:14:02pm

re: #377 Gus 802

Oh, just that sometimes hardcore music reminds me of the Live Leak videos with AC/DC and such during the height of the wars.

A-10 Warthog - Shoot to thrill


[Video]

Like that.

Doh, it's late. Love those vids.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:15:21pm

re: #375 Charles

You must have missed all the articles freetoken dug up in the previous thread. Ther's not much doubt left about where she stands on this; the article I responded to was just the latest in a long line.

She's also anti-vaccination.

And it gives me no joy to say any of this.

No, I saw them posted, though I didn't have chance to read them. That said, she's not pro-fascist, so I myself would just overlook her anti-science belief due to her value in opposing Radical Islam. I know you don't do that as a rule, and i respect you for that. It's just what I would do: A knowing moral compromise (but I'm in sales, so I have to make those at times).

382 Macker  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #359 Charles

The real question now is whether Melanie Phillips will start referring to me as "Chuckie."

As long as she doesn't also refer to you as The Unknown Comic:

383 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:16:35pm

re: #379 Charles

Pamela Geller is now pimping for Jack Wheeler, by the way.

This is the guy who claimed that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity.

Classy!

Evil. Neither of those two sleezebags is worthy of tying John McCain's shoes. For all his flaws, he's a better person than they ever will be.

384 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #379 Charles

Pamela Geller is now pimping for Jack Wheeler, by the way.

This is the guy who claimed that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity.

Classy!

Figures. She's going deeper into the toilet.

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:16:56pm
386 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:17:16pm
387 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:18:45pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Figures. She's going deeper into the toilet.

She's not in the toilet. She got flushed a long time ago. Right now she's in the sewer and the smell is getting worse by the minute.

388 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:19:07pm

re: #386 Iron Fist

When I went to the party at Bragg (damn, but that was what, five years ago? Wow) I got to see some home movie footage from Iraq (Operation Anaconda IIRC). Neat stuff. There was one scene where you had some Marines pinned down by a sniper on the second or third floor of a building. You can see the muzzel-flash popping off where the guy was banging away at the Marines. Then an Abrams cruises into the picture going maybe five miles an hour. It stops, and the main gun swivles up toward the floor with the sniper on it, and blows the whole floor off of the building. Too cool. Sucks to be Jihadi.

Nice.

"Abrams, connecting Jihadis to virgins since 2003." //

389 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:19:20pm

re: #324 Iron Fist

Actually the Dems and the Republicans are virtually indistingushible on gay marriage. There is a broad consensus against gay marriage in this country right now.

There is a strong consensus against gay marriage being forced on people by judicial fiat or legislative shenanigans. That is part of the reasons for the backlash each time a new Prop 8 type initiative is put before the voters, they are sick and tired of getting told what they have to swallow as if they were children.

390 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:20:13pm

re: #379 Charles

Pamela Geller is now pimping for Jack Wheeler, by the way.

This is the guy who claimed that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity.

Classy!

Every time you think the lunacy can't get any worse you get proven you were vastly mistaken.

391 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:20:22pm

re: #379 Charles

Pamela Geller is now pimping for Jack Wheeler, by the way.

This is the guy who claimed that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity.

Classy!

Charles

did you see my message this morning about the embedded video of "Defiance" that Geller is linking to? The video is being hosted by WeJew.com, which appears to me to be a very fancy file sharing site, hosting a ton of illegal copies of all sorts of media.

My self, as an author, have a big problem with pirated material. I wrote Geller an email, but it seems she is not interested in answering.

I also tried to post a message on the "Defiance" thread, but she has blocked my Typepad account.

Maybe I am in a minority, but this really bothers me and in my mind only further adds to the lack of honesty on Gellers part.

Just my opinion.

392 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:20:48pm

re: #385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Be careful driving, you could end up with this guy...

How are you, status report please?

393 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:21:24pm

re: #390 FurryOldGuyJeans

Every time you think the lunacy can't get any worse you get proven you were vastly mistaken.

Not meaning you in the specific, Charles. I know I keep getting surprised at each new revelation.

394 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:21:32pm

re: #378 NY Nana

/Ever actually tasted them? Ick!

I like jello, especially cherry-flavor.

395 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:21:56pm

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

She's not in the toilet. She got flushed a long time ago. Right now she's in the sewer and the smell is getting worse by the minute.

True. She's beyond the toilet and well into septic territory. She'll devolve even more as time goes by.

396 Liberal Classic  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:22:00pm

Danzig is on topic for this thread.

397 LGoPs  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:22:09pm

.

398 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:22:30pm
399 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:23:19pm

re: #398 Iron Fist

Good point :-)

short and succinct. ;)

400 Throbert McGee  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:25:06pm

re: #173 Rich H

"Scientific" creationism isn't trickery?

It's not the sort of slippery trickery that Charles means, since "scientific creationists" do make actual fact claims -- they take concrete positions on such questions as "How old is the Earth?" and "Are human beings, dogs, sharks, jellyfish, geraniums, and other living things all related to each other (however distantly) by common ancestry?"

But "Intelligent Design™" does not have an official position on any question of natural history.

If you believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, there's room for you under the ID tent; if you believe that the Earth is several billion years old, there's also room for you.

If you believe that there are fossilized seashells on mountaintops because they were washed up there during Noah's flood, or if you believe that the mountaintops used to be submerged seabeds that were every-so-gradually elevated by tectonic activity, the "ID movement" welcomes you.

If you think that every species that has ever existed was individually created from dust by God's spoken word, and that "macroevolution" is an atheist lie because species persist unchanging unless and until they go extinct, or if you hold that biological diversity is the result of evolution by natural selection over hundreds of millions of years while God watched but did not meddle, then Intelligent Design wants your support, your vote, and your money.

The ONLY question on which Intelligent Design takes a position is not a scientific one, but a philosophical one, and that question is this:

"Can everything observable in the Universe ultimately be understood as the result of purely naturalistic phenomena that are inherently explicable by science?"

And ID's answer to that question is:

"No, sometimes miraculous intervention was an unavoidable necessity, which scientifically proves there is a Supernatural Intelligence responsible for the Universe."

401 NY Nana  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:26:08pm

re: #375 Charles

She's also anti-vaccination.

And it gives me no joy to say any of this.

That does it for me....sad...and with the number of people in the UK who also are anti-vaccination? She ought to wake up. There is ample info on every sort of vaccination that is offered, and the NHS also has a whole section.

IMHO, not having a child vaccinated through the cycle is a form of child abuse.

402 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:26:46pm

re: #379 Charles

Looks like he's also a Paulian....
Jack Wheeler Contribution List in 2008

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:26:59pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

Just fine, thank you sir. How's the show goin?

404 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:28:07pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Yes, saw it.

I don't have any respect to lose for that crocodile at this point; you could try alerting the studio whose work is being pirated...

405 jvic  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:28:08pm

re: #142 Ulairi

how much money can be made in ID? I think I see a growth industry....

You create video games that describe evolution (of life, races, empires, galactic civilizations, whatever). The game is programmed to end in a dead end or a calamity unless you set the option to allow the Intelligent Designer (perhaps depicted as a golden haze) to intervene.

In fact, just to drive the point home, you can repeat the same game w/wo the Designer. Even if the game contains elements of chance, ultimately it always succeeds if the Designer is active (you must have faith!) and always fails if the Designer is absent (no matter how well things are going for a time).

Creationist parents will buy them. You might be able to get deep-pocketed creationist organizations to buy them and distribute them to proselytize.

Maybe an RPG version too.

406 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:28:14pm

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just fine, thank you sir. How's the show goin?

It going good, audience sizes are respectable, which bodes well for the rest of the season.

407 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:30:03pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

It going good, audience sizes are respectable, which bodes well for the rest of the season.

Sounds like people are looking for good entertainment instead of more Hollywood slop.

408 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:30:08pm

Hey Sharmuta. You Still on line?

409 NY Nana  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:30:12pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Figures. She's going deeper into the toilet.

She is now trying to get through the drain, but her head is so swollen with self-love that she is probably stuck .

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:30:22pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

Good news.

411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:31:06pm

Goodnight, see ya on the early!

412 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:31:26pm

re: #409 NY Nana

She is now trying to get through the drain, but her head is so swollen with self-love that she is probably stuck .

Maybe she can use that silicone inside her to help her slither down the drain. //

413 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:32:47pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

Looks like he's also a Paulian....

Well, of course he is. Here's Jack himself, with a creepy lecture on "The Evil Eye:"

Wheeler is a total psycho.

And get this: the video was posted by Vlaams Belang shill Luc Van Braekel, who is a contributor for Brussels Journal.

Are you surprised?

414 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:33:08pm

Night all.

Remember, ZIP codes are the Devil ! AJ told me so.

//

416 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:35:59pm

re: #413 Charles

Well, of course he is. Here's Jack himself, with a creepy lecture on "The Evil Eye:"


[Video]

Wheeler is a total psycho.

And get this: the video was posted by Vlaams Belang shill Luc VanBraekel, who is a contributor for Brussels Journal.

Are you surprised?

Evil eye? Did he learn that while he was up to no good in Angola?

417 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:39:28pm

re: #413 Charles

Well, of course he is. Here's Jack himself, with a creepy lecture on "The Evil Eye:"


[Video]Wheeler is a total psycho.

And get this: the video was posted by Vlaams Belang shill Luc Van Braekel, who is a contributor for Brussels Journal.

Are you surprised?

Nope, not at all.

418 J.S.  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:39:50pm

re: #401 NY Nana

At Wiki there's a link to the Guardian article by Ben Goldacre (he notes how Melanie Phillips simply doesn't "get" or understand certain basic, scientific principles -- such as, if you conduct some huge statistical survey, the sensitivity increases (you'll pick up the anomalies in the data). I think it all boils down to this -- if you don't know how to read a scientific paper, then, please (as a journalist) don't try to devise your own, peculiar interpretation -- you'll end up looking pretty stupid.)

419 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:40:48pm

re: #407 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sounds like people are looking for good entertainment instead of more Hollywood slop.

RIght after the new year, our first show of the season did terrible. And it was a western regional premiere of a play by Irelands Pulitzer Prize winning playwright.

We didn't know what that meant, the lousy attendance. But it may have been the election, all the stuff coming down about the banks, economy etc. But by the second show of the season, the attendance was back up to normal.

And this show, our third, is looking like it will match our expected revenue.

The Denver area is over populated with live theatre companies. Almost 50, which is unheard of in an area that has a population of a little over half a million.

But, one advantage we have is that we offer professional theatre at a price that beats all the road shows and the big venue places. A Broadway road show ticket, for a seat where you can actually see and hear correctly, starts at 60 to 75 dollars, and special VIP seating can be 125 or more.

And the large straight play venues prices are 35-60 dollars. We offer the same quality, same production values, some of the best actors in town for 18-20 dollars a ticket.

So, when the economy is in a downturn like this, we benefit, because we can satisfy the theatre goers need to see shows, give them quality, but they don't have to go downtown and spend 2-3 hundred dollars for an evening.

420 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:40:54pm

re: #413 Charles

Well, of course he is. Here's Jack himself, with a creepy lecture on "The Evil Eye:"


[Video]

Wheeler is a total psycho.

And get this: the video was posted by Vlaams Belang shill Luc VanBraekel, who is a contributor for Brussels Journal.

Are you surprised?

Oh my God. Envy is a genetic predisposition? Then he goes on to basically say that envy does not exist in America.

I noticed he said "rich and exploitative West" during his diatribe.

421 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:41:58pm
422 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:42:35pm

OT, but to verify something for the clowns over at a stalking site who may be watching.

Yes, it is in fact me. Assholes.

423 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:44:22pm

re: #421 taxfreekiller

Its bed time in America, do you know where Ron Paul is, if not, you may want to sleep under your bed.

I'm afraid Ron Paul is hiding there.

424 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:44:52pm

re: #421 taxfreekiller

I don't care where Luap Nor is. I have a very large clue bat!

425 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:45:13pm

re: #422 Bubblehead II
Now what?!

426 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:46:10pm

re: #420 Gus 802

Oh my God. Envy is a genetic predisposition? Then he goes on to basically say that envy does not exist in America.

I noticed he said "rich and exploitative West" during his diatribe.

Oh, brother. Wheeler is just like Alex Jones: Bark-At-The-Moon, Froth-At-The-Mouth Crazy.

427 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:46:46pm
428 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:47:31pm

re: #427 taxfreekiller
Mwahahaha!

429 Throbert McGee  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:47:38pm

re: #338 Occasional Reader

Gah, another one of these "I believe in, you know, some sort of, you know, higher woo-woo". Even as an atheist, I'd rather chat with an actual believer, who has some idea of what he believes in.

OR, I don't think Flew would say that he "believes in" a Deistic creative intelligence behind the Universe, but simply that he now regards the existence of such an entity as more probable than its non-existence, whereas before -- when he was an atheist -- he took the opposite view.

To put it another way, I think his position now is not "I believe in, you know, some sort of, you know, higher woo-woo," but rather "I no longer exclude the possibility of some sort of higher woo-woo, as I did before."

430 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:48:00pm

re: #421 taxfreekiller

Its bed time in America, do you know where Ron Paul is, if not, you may want to sleep under your bed.

I've heard he's taking part in a test of a new hydraulic system that may be able to pull his head out of his ass.

/kidding

431 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:48:16pm

re: #413 Charles

Wow. Take away lesson: When getting stoned on a gorgeous beach, just sit back and enjoy the beautiful sunset, and definitely don't waste the opportunity by spouting inebriated non-sense.

432 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:49:56pm
433 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:50:32pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

Oh, brother. Wheeler is just like Alex Jones: Bark-At-The-Moon, Froth-At-The-Mouth Crazy.

That's about the size of things. It's amazing how these bloggers are scraping the barrel to form alliances with these stark raving lunatics. It reminded me of being at a party and having to hears some idiot that thinks he knows what he's talking about babble incoherently after which you look for an excuse to get away from him.

When I heard "evil eye" I wondered if he's also another UFO expert. No doubt he must have an interest in aliens -- that's part of the typical profile.

434 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:51:05pm

re: #425 pingjockey

Just stirring the pot to see what sort of crap floats to the top. Some Nasty crap aimed at Sharmuta by some asshole calling him/it self "Charles".

Can't let her have all the fun now can I?

435 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:51:49pm

re: #331 Buster Bunny

Ever notice .. that in the Agatha Christie novels .. its never that sweet little old Miss Marple who done it. Nooo .. she always has the answers ... and she just happens to be there when 3 or 4 people get murdered in their sleep .. or by poison .. or shot.

Such a nice little old lady. Always just happens to be there JUST before people die.

I'm suspicious.

Maybe she was an angel of Death...

/

436 AMER1CAN  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:52:22pm

I have never heard of Pamella Geller or read a single thing by her that I can remember. I don't think her stance on any one subject is particularly relevant. It's not for me or anyone I know anyways.

437 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:52:24pm

re: #434 Bubblehead II
Well no! Have fun. Since I don't know any of the stalker blogs but #2, I'll just say good luck.

438 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:52:58pm

re: #434 Bubblehead II

Just stirring the pot to see what sort of crap floats to the top. Some Nasty crap aimed at Sharmuta by some asshole calling him/it self "Charles".

Can't let her have all the fun now can I?

Is this over at the white trash site LGF2?

439 LGoPs  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:53:30pm

re: #398 Iron Fist

Good point :-)

Thanks. I usually try to enter a thread by making a point.
:)

440 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:54:52pm

re: #432 Iron Fist

See my 434. I figure I might get them in a real stir.

441 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:56:17pm

re: #440 Bubblehead II
Some fool is calling himself "Charles"? Heh. I diagnose delusions of grandeur!

442 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:56:41pm
443 pingjockey  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:58:44pm

Good night folks. Bubble Head, don't have too much fun over yonder in the fever swamps!

444 formercorpsman  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #432 Iron Fist

I have been over there a couple of times now to see what the references were to.

One question that keeps swirling in my head, is how does anyone have this much time to devote to such an asinine pursuit.

Lunacy.

445 AMER1CAN  Sun, May 3, 2009 8:59:39pm

re: #436 AMER1CAN

You really need to get some sleep...

That should have read Melanie Phillips but instead I said Pamela Geller. The point is the same. I don't know who any of these people are I'm not sure many outside of the blog world know or care. I really do thank Charles and LGF for vetting a lot of this garbage out because not everyone knows how deceptive all these people can be sometimes.

446 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:01:05pm

re: #435 talon_262

Maybe she was an angel of Death...

/

Mengele thread?

Mornin' Lizards.

447 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:01:39pm

re: #438 Gus 802

Is this over at the white trash site LGF2?

It's number two. And you have to admit, that is a fitting name.

448 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:03:07pm

re: #447 Bubblehead II

It's number two. And you have to admit, that is a fitting name.

LOL

The comments over there are just sick.

449 LGoPs  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:03:34pm

re: #398 Iron Fist

Good point :-)

You'll be pleased to know that I've spent the latter part of the day conducting studies and gathering metrics in support of Iron Fist's Rule.
I'll also have you know that I have not progressed far enough in my research to forget the importance of PIMF.
On first review, what I first wrote came out as............ anjoasjbefvqiwfhqo*(7qjwkbf 2........JKLashyd wdk.
*hic
:)

450 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:05:18pm

re: #447 Bubblehead II

It's number two. And you have to admit, that is a fitting name.

Mine or theirs? :)

I picture a lot of acne cream being used by their membership. Basically a Beavis and Butthead mentality. Since it's made up of people that have been banned here I already know that they are mostly a bunch of sad ignorant drunkards that believe in the tooth fairy.

/Not that there's anything wrong with drinking -- they just can't hold their liquor very well due to their limited brain capacity.

451 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:06:12pm
452 jotalot  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:06:17pm

um...i believe in the tooth fairy.

453 Clubsec  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:07:15pm

Charles,
It IS this simple.
(Sorry but I've no time to read all comments ... but if no one has made the argument I say this):
WE have the fossil's ... (with an ever increasing understanding of DNA relationships) ... WE WIN!

454 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:07:42pm
455 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:08:03pm

re: #450 Gus 802

Mine or theirs? :)

I picture a lot of acne cream being used by their membership. Basically a Beavis and Butthead mentality. Since it's made up of people that have been banned here I already know that they are mostly a bunch of sad ignorant drunkards that believe in the tooth fairy.

/Not that there's anything wrong with drinking -- they just can't hold their liquor very well due to their limited brain capacity.

So Wheeler is Beavis and Jones is Butt-Head? Does that makes Charles Daria, the smart girl who mocks them before getting her own show?

456 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:08:26pm

re: #452 jotalot

um...i believe in the tooth fairy.

Yeah, I've had suspicions about my dentist for years...

457 LGoPs  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:08:51pm

re: #454 Gus 802

Typical LGF2 member.

LOL.......

458 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:09:03pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

So Wheeler is Beavis and Jones is Butt-Head? Does that makes Charles Daria, the smart girl who mocks them before getting her own show?

Sure, that works.

459 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:09:07pm
460 HelloDare  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:09:17pm

Hey, lets get this Tas guy together with Doctor Georgia Purdom and have them procreate. That would be a fun household.

461 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:10:02pm
462 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:10:14pm

Got challenged to a debate on the Balkans conflict. Must admit ignorance on most of it. Understand Milosevic had a lot of Bosnian Serbs killed just because of who they where. Unlike these clowns I will ask for and search for info.

463 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:12:41pm

Good evenin y'all (or good morning for you all on the East Coast like me!)!
What all are we talking about?

464 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:13:23pm

re: #442 Iron Fist

They're pathetic. They have an unhealthy obsession, and do nothing but sit around and stroke each other with their mentally deranged fantasies. Sick, sick people.

465 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:13:43pm

re: #463 realwest

Good evenin y'all (or good morning for you all on the East Coast like me!)!
What all are we talking about?

What the hell are you doing up at 12:15 in the morning?

466 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:13:47pm

re: #459 Iron Fist

The only time I've ever been in a tattoo bar was to hold the hand of a girl that wanted her belly pierced. DO NOT look at the photo book in the lobby guys. Trust me, you don't want to see the pictures.

467 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:14:51pm

re: #463 realwest

Yeah, whats wrong with you? Ain't u got no life?/

468 LGoPs  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:15:34pm

I'm starting to slurrr my typppppping.........
See you later lizards.
*hic*
:)

469 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:16:04pm
470 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:16:29pm

re: #465 Walter L. Newton
Well, hello to you too Walter! LOL! I'm just waiting a few minutes to take my last med, then hitting the sack.
How was attendance tonight?

471 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:17:51pm

re: #467 axegrinder
I DO TOO have a life.
LGF.
And mom and a couple of friends who have to get to sleep to get to their high pressure jobs extra early on Mondays!

472 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:18:50pm

re: #469 Iron Fist
Hi Bro' - well I figured guns - not necessarily illegal accessories though. Like what?

473 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:19:23pm

re: #469 Iron Fist

Stalkers and illegal gun accessories. I'm also browsing knives in the background. I've got nomoney, but I can at least be doing some research on what I want to buy next time I have some :-)

Have you heard of something that converts an M16, allowing it to use .22 ammo? Would save $ at the shooting range.

474 Summer Seale  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:19:38pm

Obviously this emailer is going to burn in the fires of Hades for not accepting Jupiter as the true father of all gods. It is known and writ, and may not be contested, since the foundation of the Roman Empire that this is so. The Roman Empire preceded the Christian usurpers by centuries, and the clerics of the House of Jupiter on Palatine hill said very clearly that anyone who rejected the gods would be cast into Hades.

The proof that Jupiter exists, and still exists today, is that it is written in the Holy oracles of the house of the Vestals. Obviously this makes it true since it is holy and true. Some people would claim that this is circular logic, but they're all heretics who don't believe and are damned anyway.

475 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:19:54pm

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Got challenged to a debate on the Balkans conflict. Must admit ignorance on most of it. Understand Milosevic had a lot of Bosnian Serbs killed just because of who they where. Unlike these clowns I will ask for and search for info.

I can only imagine they're defending Milosevic and the rest of his henchmen. Might want to look into the Chetniks first. Here's part of there ethnic cleansing from the early 40s:

The mission of our units is:

The struggle for the freedom of all of our people under the scepter of His Majesty, the King Peter II;

The creation of Greater Yugoslavia, and within it Greater Serbia, ethnically clean within the borders of Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Srem, Banat, and Bačka;

The struggle for the incorporation into our social structure of those non-liberated Slovenian territories under Italy and Germany (Trieste, Gorizia, Istria, and Carinthia), as well as Bulgaria and northern Albania with Shkodra;

The cleansing of all national minorities and anti-state elements from state territory;

The creation of direct common borders between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Bosniak population from Sandžak, and the Bosniak and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina;

The punishment of all Croats and Bosniaks who have mercilessly destroyed our people in these tragic days;

The settlement of the areas cleansed of national minorities and anti-state elements by Serbs and Montenegrins (to be considered are poor, nationally patriotic, and honest families).

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

476 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:19:58pm

re: #413 Charles

Yikes!

477 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:21:39pm

re: #471 realwest

lol. I hear you.

478 formercorpsman  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:23:01pm

Being a little bored, knowing I need to turn in, I finally clicked on the muslima.com link off to the side here.

Some of the women are very pretty, but Fatima in Las Vegas is not fooling anyone.

It has to be John Belushi in a veil.

Good night folks.

479 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:23:05pm

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Got challenged to a debate on the Balkans conflict. Must admit ignorance on most of it. Understand Milosevic had a lot of Bosnian Serbs killed just because of who they where. Unlike these clowns I will ask for and search for info.

Haven't validated this yet but look at this too:

Remembering Serbia’s Nazi Past and Mass Murders of Jews
April 28, 2009

Avraham Yehoshua, JERUSALEM - In just a few days of February 1943, the Serbian Chetniks under the leadership of Draza Mihailovich committed genocide of close to 20,000 Bosniak Muslims in the Podrinje area (around Srebrenica region) - mostly women, children and elderly. Serbian Chetniks themselves admitted killing over 9,000 people in this genocidal campaign alone.

480 funky chicken  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:23:58pm

re: #402 Killgore Trout

He was also a purveyor of the "John McCain was programmed as a Manchurian Candidate by the North Vietnamese" nonsense.

Nonsense really isn't a strong enough word for that, but I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down before bedtime.

481 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:24:50pm

Just got here....was that the font the fanmail was sent in?

482 funky chicken  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:25:52pm

re: #480 funky chicken

oops, didn't see that Charles had already posted about that

483 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:25:52pm

re: #379 Charles Hey Charles - I'm pretty sure I know this Jack Wheeler - as in met him personally.
I was with some other Vietnam Vets from NYC, and we were down in D.C. trying to get some "seed money" for a program Wheeler was involved in called the Vietnam Veteran's Leadership Program started by Ronald Reagan, thanks President Reagan).
As we were from NYC, y'all can imagine that some of us weren't white and had "facial hair" though we all held professional jobs and all that. He didn't seem to like the "ethnic" looking guys much.

484 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:26:07pm

re: #413 Charles

Wow. It gets weirder as it goes along. Racialist supremicism with a twist. That tropical island must have some nice weed.

485 Zimriel  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:26:09pm

OT: some warm fuzzies from our friends in Pakistan...

the United States does not know where all of Pakistan’s nuclear sites are located, and its concerns have intensified in the last two weeks since the Taliban entered Buner, a district 60 miles from the capital. ... the most senior American and Pakistani officials had not yet engaged on the issue
...
The Obama administration inherited from President Bush a multiyear, $100 million secret American program to help Pakistan build stronger physical protections around some of those facilities, and to train Pakistanis in nuclear security.

But much of that effort has now petered out, and American officials have never been permitted to see how much of the money was spent, the facilities where the weapons are kept or even a tally of how many Pakistan has produced. The facility Pakistan was supposed to build to conduct its own training exercises is running years behind schedule.
...
Mr. Zardari heads the country’s National Command Authority, the mix of political, military and intelligence leaders responsible for its arsenal of 60 to 100 nuclear weapons. But in reality, his command and control over the weapons are considered tenuous at best; that power lies primarily in the hands of the army chief of staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the former director of Inter-Services Intelligence, the country’s intelligence agency.

That would be the ISI who foisted the Taliban on us in the first place.

486 funky chicken  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:27:37pm

re: #379 Charles

Pamela Geller is now pimping for Jack Wheeler, by the way.

This is the guy who claimed that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity.

Classy!

failing to keep the blood pressure down. what is wrong with these people?

Yeah, they support the troops. My ass.

Good night everybody.

487 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:27:42pm

BBIAM!

488 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:29:22pm

re: #480 funky chicken

He was also a purveyor of the "John McCain was programmed as a Manchurian Candidate by the North Vietnamese" nonsense.

Nonsense really isn't a strong enough word for that, but I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down before bedtime.

Who do you know that would make a good Manchurian Candidate at this particular point in time?

Anyone come to mind?

489 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:30:07pm
490 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:31:59pm

re: #470 realwest

Well, hello to you too Walter! LOL! I'm just waiting a few minutes to take my last med, then hitting the sack.
How was attendance tonight?

Fifty-five, which is fine for a Sunday twilight show (6:00pm)

491 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:32:13pm

re: #486 funky chicken


G'nite funky! Watch that blood pressure!

492 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:32:35pm

re: #489 Iron Fist Hello again Bro' - I'm not sure it's late enough to go THERE, if you know what I'm sayin.............

493 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:32:51pm
494 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:33:33pm

re: #484 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that same article was pimped by Hot Air and Instapundit too.

495 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:33:36pm
496 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:34:18pm

re: #493 Buffalo Fats

Sitemeter has security problems. I loved the feature too but it's not safe.

497 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:35:36pm

re: #490 Walter L. Newton
Well that's good - cause iirc, you had like 120 last night?
Do you think (guess?) things will pick up now that the weather is getting better? And it seems as if your Rose Garden received some boffo reviews, too!

498 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:35:59pm
499 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:36:21pm

re: #493 Buffalo Fats

Its a hamster killer. More hamsters die from overstatements on sitemeter than any other diet of grain .. nuts and cheese.

It's be nice to hamsters week.

500 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:37:22pm

Wow, what can't they do with Auto-tuning?

501 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:37:56pm

re: #489 Iron Fist

Yeah, that's what I mean. I'd use 'sickening' over 'amazing.' Seems to be a definite masochist bent to the hobby. Ah, well. To each his/her own.

502 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:38:08pm
503 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:39:19pm

re: #495 Iron Fist
A shoulder stock for a Glock 9mm? Seems either too little or too much, cause, iirc, Glock 9's only have 14 round mag.

504 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:40:11pm

re: #498 Buffalo Fats
Hmm - who uses it without much problem?

505 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:40:47pm

re: #478 formercorpsman

Being a little bored, knowing I need to turn in, I finally clicked on the muslima.com link off to the side here.

Some of the women are very pretty, but Fatima in Las Vegas is not fooling anyone.

It has to be John Belushi in a veil.

Good night folks.

Of the many qualities one admires in a woman, "free" is up near the top.

506 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:41:15pm

re: #497 realwest

Well that's good - cause iirc, you had like 120 last night?
Do you think (guess?) things will pick up now that the weather is getting better? And it seems as if your Rose Garden received some boffo reviews, too!

See my re: #419 Walter L. Newton

... on this thread for your answer.

On "I Never Promised You A Rose Garden." That was 2004, and yes, it received very good review both in the local dailies and Variety Magazine out of LA. And it was nominated by the Denver Post for Best New Play, Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress in the 2004 Denver Post Ovation Awards. It won Best Supporting Actress.

Then is sat for two years with a publisher, and in 2007, they had to retract their offer to me, because of a single paragraph in my Underlying Rights Agreement with William Morris Agency who has the book rights.

I haven't really tried to get it published since then. But, I do hold the publishing rights and the production rights to the play version.

507 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:42:57pm

re: #502 Iron Fist

I still prefer something .38 or better when talking handgun. I want to hit something and make sure it stays down. And you need to hit once .. and hit hard to do that.

Candyland .22 markers will make a popgun noise and a little mess. Not much more. You really need to aim them at a part where they will richochet to cause maximum impact. But these days there are too many brawny charging bulls worked up at gyms for me to think of anything less.

Quiz Question : What was the preferred weapon of choice in the Wild West?

508 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:43:25pm

re: #336 SasquatchOnSteroids

ZIP codes are artillery targets !
Acorn is co-ordinating with SWAT teams !
Your house is being GPS'd !
Save Yerself !

Yack.

Zip codes are artillery targets? That's a new one, but it doesn't surprise me as much as it should, I'm afraid.

The new world order would find me terribly dull. I doubt they're watching me. There are more interesting and attractive people around. Hell, I'd be spying on the classy hot babe who works in hospitality and comes home every day around 4 PM. She walks right past my apt. on the way home to hers every day and she ALWAYS looks good... Daily eye candy is nice. If I had a spy satellite I'd watch her instead of me.

What? I'm just sayin'

/

509 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:46:13pm

re: #493 Buffalo Fats

No, I won't be reactivating it, for several reasons.

On which sites do you use it to "watch their traffic grow?"

510 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:46:14pm

re: #505 JohnAdams

Of the many qualities one admires in a woman, "free" is up near the top.

Amen! The ones that charge are annoying.

/knew what you meant, just goofing

511 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:46:42pm

re: #506 Walter L. Newton
Wow. That's a shame - about the problem with that
single paragraph in my Underlying Rights Agreement with William Morris Agency who has the book rights.
It sure does appear to me that you did a helluva job of turning that book into a play and wish there was some way I could see it other than going to Denver.
Do you by any chance "tape" any of your productions and offer DVD or VHS tapes for sale?

512 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:48:00pm
513 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:48:36pm

re: #507 Buster Bunny
Um in a street type of gunfight? I'd say a 10 gage double barrel shotgun.

514 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:49:06pm

Almost said Colt .45 but since you didn't specify handgun it has to be the Winchester repeater.

515 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:49:30pm

Hey Night Honcos! It was a glorious day in Near Iowa.

Regarding the topic posted:

" The struggle between the old views and the new was long and stubbornly fought out in physical philosophy. Theology stood on guard for the old views and accused the new of violating revelation. But when truth conquered, theology established itself just as firmly on the new foundation.

Just as prolonged and stubborn is the struggle now proceeding between the old and the new conception of history, and theology in the same way stands on guard for the old view, and accuses the new view of subverting revelation.

In the one case as in the other, on both sides the struggle provokes passion and stifles truth. On the one hand there is fear and regret for the loss of the whole edifice constructed through the ages, on the other is the passion for destruction.

To the men who fought against the rising truths of physical philosophy, it seemed that if they admitted that truth it would destroy faith in God, in the creation of the firmament, and in the miracle of Joshua the son of Nun. To the defenders of the laws of Copernicus and Newton, to Voltaire for example, it seemed that the laws of astronomy destroyed religion, and he utilized the law of gravitation as a weapon against religion."

516 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:49:40pm

re: #498 Buffalo Fats

This is a sock puppet for a previously banned user.

517 NY Nana  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:50:07pm

re: #418 J.S.

Thank you! Excellent point. I am so disappointed in her, as I read her blog regularly, and now?

That she is anti-vaccine is just incredible. I honestly expected more from her.

I wonder if the stance she has taken on both ID and vaccinations will affect her career among those who did not know about her feelings. I honestly think that she will lose respect, but not among the nutters who also ascribe to the mumbo jumbo.

I would love to see her publicly renounce her lack of knowledge on the subject(s).

518 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:51:08pm

Banned twice before, by the way. Now three times.

519 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:51:15pm

re: #516 Charles

Now renamed Troll Hide.

520 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:52:19pm

re: #511 realwest

Wow. That's a shame - about the problem with that
single paragraph in my Underlying Rights Agreement with William Morris Agency who has the book rights.
It sure does appear to me that you did a helluva job of turning that book into a play and wish there was some way I could see it other than going to Denver.
Do you by any chance "tape" any of your productions and offer DVD or VHS tapes for sale?

I have a raw dvd of the show, meaning it's unedited. We did a 4 camera shoot of the show, with a professional production company, but we also give some college interns a chance to help with the filming and the shots from their cameras stunk, and we couldn't use the footage.

So, when ended up with one camera that had good footage, but not every shot was the optimum framing.

It's watchable.

Best I can do is put the file up on my server, and you can download it. It will run in Windows media player. The file is about 1.2 gigs.

Email me if you want to know how to get it.

Click on my name, you'll see my contact email link.

521 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:52:31pm

re: #495 Iron Fist

I came across a shoulder stock for a glock pistol that is made in Israel. Nice, and reasonably priced, but good for a long vacation at Club Fed if you buy it here in America. I guess it is legal in Israel. It doesn't really make much sense for it to be illegal here in the US, but that is the way the fucking NFA works. For now, at any rate.

Well if you put a stock on it, I think it becomes an SBR with the associated tax stamps and paperwork. And on top of that, there is probably some law which says that items that you create SBRs with can only be domestic-made. Ostensibly those laws are about Keeping Us Safe From Evil Guns but really they're written to protect the domestic firearms industry from influx of cheap foreign Evil Gun parts.

Putting a stock on a Glock is absurd anyway, unless it's for one of the full-auto models with a double-length magazine. In that case, I can see that maybe the Israelis were looking for a cheap way to cobble together an Uzi substitute.

522 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:52:32pm

re: #509 Charles
That's funny - I asked him that at #504 - but he's only been here since Aug 13, 2005 with 50 comments.
Still awaiting an answer myself.
They do sleep deep, don't they?

523 Zimriel  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:52:51pm

re: #517 NY Nana

I would love to see her publicly renounce her lack of knowledge on the subject(s).

Unlikely. We are finding out that a lot of people on "our" side are Security Blanket Conservatives. They want their comfort food, on a regular basis, without too many of those worrying "facts".

And Phillips is one of those who gets paid to dish it out.

524 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:53:51pm

re: #514 axegrinder

Almost said Colt .45 but since you didn't specify handgun it has to be the Winchester repeater.

A beautiful weapon. One of the things you want in a gun is that it doesnt get stuck in your awkward moments. The repeater allowed you to pump off shot after shot without any locking hassles.

Still ... even today .. a very sought after weapon. As an antique of course.

525 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:54:11pm

re: #518 Charles
Ah well then, kindly disregard my comment at #522, but I did spot 'em.

526 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:55:07pm
527 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:55:07pm

re: #510 Slumbering Behemoth

Amen! The ones that charge are annoying.

/knew what you meant, just goofing

Perfect!

528 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:55:13pm
529 Sharmuta  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:55:44pm

re: #408 Bubblehead II

Hey Sharmuta. You Still on line?

What's up?

530 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:57:51pm

Well, Lizard friends, I finished it. The audio version of War and Peace. The writing was beautiful. The philosphy at the end, I could have done without.

He did, however, answer some questions I had about his outlook on fate vs. free will at the end.

Highly recommended!

531 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:57:53pm

re: #528 Iron Fist

Cap and ball weapons were notoriously finicky. Sometimes the powder would get tarred in the barrel .. and you'd get lots of powder burns out the back end. Balls were cheap .. but boy were they dangerous.

532 Valeikan_Omnistrife  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:58:03pm

Howdy, y'all. Late to post and new member. ID? Until coming here I never heard of it. Rampant stupidity in this world never ceases to amaze me. Anti-vax, Holocaust denial, neo-nazis, its disturbing and downright scary. Hate mail just proves you're doing something right charles. Keep up the good work and don't let it take you down! Now i gotta yell at these idiots outside my window for playin loud music before goin to bed. Laters

533 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:58:16pm

re: #523 Zimriel

I like the phrase "Wrap that lie around yourself like a warm blanket". Sort of fits with your "Security Blanket Conservative".

534 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:58:16pm

By the way, someone congratulate me.

535 Rich H  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:58:16pm

re: #400 Throbert McGee

I understand.

In other words, the Creation Science movement has evolved into the Intelligent Design movement. ;)

536 biocritic  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:58:27pm

Why worry about hate mail? It could take up all of your time.

537 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:59:07pm

re: #532 Valeikan_Omnistrife

First post .. and yet he's compacted his whole life into it. Amazing.

538 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 9:59:08pm

He said something about evolution and man being decendents of apes at the end, but I can't find it on the online-searchable version.

539 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:00:06pm

re: #534 ggt

By the way, someone congratulate me.

For what?

540 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:00:31pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

For what?

I finished War and Peace.

541 freetoken  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:01:22pm

re: #534 ggt

By the way, someone congratulate me.

Image: congratulations_myspace_graphics_02.gif

542 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:01:50pm

re: #541 freetoken

[Link: www.myspacechamp.com...]

thanks!

543 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:02:06pm

re: #540 ggt

I finished War and Peace.

Thats the book I use for killing small insects with. Its thick enough that you know when you pick it up .. on the other side .. they are dead.

544 avanti  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:02:39pm

re: #540 ggt

I finished War and Peace.

A little known fact. It was to be titled
"War, what was it good for "

545 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:02:52pm

re: #543 Buster Bunny

Thats the book I use for killing small insects with. Its thick enough that you know when you pick it up .. on the other side .. they are dead.

I was wonderful. I feel like I spend many years missing out.

546 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:03:25pm

re: #544 avanti

A little known fact. It was to be titled
"War, what was it good for "

Isn't that a song?

547 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:03:44pm

re: #540 ggt

I finished War and Peace.

Thank you for your service.

548 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:03:46pm

I think I blew it. Advice?

549 avanti  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:04:11pm

re: #546 ggt

Isn't that a song?

Someone will pick up the reference, wait for it .

550 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:04:21pm

re: #540 ggt

I finished War and Peace.

Congratulations. But I don't think you read it. I think you heard it. Can't give you full marks. Stated with all humility because I never read it, even though I was lit major.

551 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:04:44pm
552 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:04:48pm

re: #520 Walter L. Newton
1.2 gig? Well I just wrote you an e-mail about it - I'd really like to see it.

553 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:05:10pm

re: #549 avanti

Someone will pick up the reference, wait for it .

Stolen from a Seinfeld episode.

554 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:05:43pm

re: #531 Buster Bunny

Cap and ball weapons were notoriously finicky. Sometimes the powder would get tarred in the barrel .. and you'd get lots of powder burns out the back end. Balls were cheap .. but boy were they dangerous.

Isn't that why pirates had eye patches?

555 avanti  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:06:22pm

re: #553 JohnAdams

Stolen from a Seinfeld episode.

Yep, I knew someone would pick it up, classic TV.

556 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:06:53pm

re: #540 ggt

I finished War and Peace.

Tolstoy beat you to it.

557 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:06:57pm

re: #524 Buster Bunny
You'd pick a six-shooter over a shotgun?! Really?

558 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:06:58pm

re: #550 JohnAdams

Congratulations. But I don't think you read it. I think you heard it. Can't give you full marks. Stated with all humility because I never read it, even though I was lit major.

Actually, I think was decided on some thread past that the unabridged audio version fully counts.

It was 18 downloads at something like 4 hours each download. The narration was excellent. I find I get much more out of the audio version of "older" novels. Words are pronounced correctly and spoken in context it is most helpful.

Read it, it is well worth it. I suspect I will read it before I die.

559 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:07:45pm

re: #552 realwest

1.2 gig? Well I just wrote you an e-mail about it - I'd really like to see it.

Got it, back to you, beddy-bye now.

560 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:07:47pm

re: #556 axegrinder

Tolstoy beat you to it.

I never said I was the first. . . .

561 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:08:49pm

re: #557 realwest

You'd pick a six-shooter over a shotgun?! Really?

Depends on how many people you invite over for dinner. I'd expect a quick reload on anything I use .. regardless on how many people I invite over for dinner.

By the way .. dinner this weekend .. cancelled ;)

562 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:08:51pm

re: #557 realwest

You'd pick a six-shooter over a shotgun?! Really?

Rifle. He's talking about the Winchester repeater.

563 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:08:54pm

re: #555 avanti

Yep, I knew someone would pick it up, classic TV.

Really amazing how often i reference that show in explaining episodes of life. Larry David is a genius.

564 Zimriel  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:09:28pm

re: #544 avanti

A little known fact. It was to be titled
"War, what was it good for "

It's good for clearing Frenchmen out of Russia!

Speaking of which, Tuesday is Cinco de Mayo...

565 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:11:30pm

re: #558 ggt

Actually, I think was decided on some thread past that the unabridged audio version fully counts.

It was 18 downloads at something like 4 hours each download. The narration was excellent. I find I get much more out of the audio version of "older" novels. Words are pronounced correctly and spoken in context it is most helpful.

Read it, it is well worth it. I suspect I will read it before I die.

IMO, the only way to "read" Shakespeare is along with an audio performance, or preferably a televised version of the plays. The actors help to bring to life the nuance, emphasis, etc that you're just to miss because first the language is 500 years and second it comes at you with speed.

566 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:12:06pm

re: #528 Iron Fist
Well I do know a few things about weapons from the 1870-1890 era.
And shit you know me, I was a sprayer and prayer in Vietnam and I reckon I'd a gone for Gattling Gun! LOL!

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:12:08pm

re: #565 JohnAdams

IMO, the only way to "read" Shakespeare is along with an audio performance, or preferably a televised version of the plays. The actors help to bring to life the nuance, emphasis, etc that you're just to miss because first the language is 500 years and second it comes at you with speed.

Yes, very much the same.

568 avanti  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:12:08pm

re: #563 JohnAdams

Really amazing how often i reference that show in explaining episodes of life. Larry David is a genius.

You know it's great show, because some folks didn't get the show and hate it. I'm weird though, I loved Twin Peaks too.

569 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:12:55pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton
Hey thanks Walter! Have a good night and I'll be toddling off myself soon!

570 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:13:02pm

weet dreams all!

571 JohnAdams  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:14:24pm

re: #568 avanti

You know it's great show, because some folks didn't get the show and hate it. I'm weird though, I loved Twin Peaks too.

"Curb Your Enthusiasm" is Seinfeld with the gloves off. I believe they are coming back with another season.

572 avanti  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:14:26pm

Yea, time for the rack, later all.

573 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:14:27pm

re: #562 axegrinder
A rifle in a street type gunfight? I'd still druther have my Gatling Gun or a 10 ga. shotgun.

574 NY Nana  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:14:36pm

re: #523 Zimriel

Unlikely. We are finding out that a lot of people on "our" side are Security Blanket Conservatives. They want their comfort food, on a regular basis, without too many of those worrying "facts".

And Phillips is one of those who gets paid to dish it out.

Good points, and it pains me to have to see her, after the excellent articles she wrote on other subjects, show what apparently is her real self.

My daughter is a writer, (now free lance) and has had many articles published, yet she is as honest as the day is long. I am so proud not only of her talent, but of her integrity. And she does it while the almost-3 year old grandson is at Gan (nursery school) at home. She was a VP in a major publishing house in NYC, at age 30, but 9/11 forever caused her to re-prioritize her values. She resigned a week later, and has never looked back. Now? Her son and husband are the most important thing in the world.

Seeing her so happy and secure in her values? And when we try to tell her how proud we are? She tells us to cut it out!

575 avanti  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:15:03pm

re: #571 JohnAdams

"Curb Your Enthusiasm" is Seinfeld with the gloves off. I believe they are coming back with another season.

Yep, never miss a episode.

576 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:16:50pm

re: #561 Buster Bunny

Depends on how many people you invite over for dinner. I'd expect a quick reload on anything I use .. regardless on how many people I invite over for dinner.

By the way .. dinner this weekend .. cancelled ;)


LOL - gee, I wonder why it was cancelled?

577 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:17:05pm
578 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:18:20pm

re: #562 axegrinder

History 101 : Fun Facts

Wild Bill hickock .. yes .. one of the legendary figures of the Wild West, gained such a reputation that his eventual demise was unexpected. Playing poker .. a lone crazy called Jack McCall snuck up behind him and blasted him in the back of the head with a .50 caliber revolver. Having been acquitted of the crime in one state .. McCall then went forth bragging about his crime in the territories .. as a result he was sent to a second trial and then dually hanged by the neck. Which goes to show .. if you get away with murder .. keep your mouth shut.

The supposed hand that Wild Bill Hickock was dealt was meant to be Pair Aces .. Pair Eights .. (last card unknown) Henceforth the pairing of these two was referred to in poker as the Dead Mans Hand.

579 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:19:12pm

SURFIN' BIRD

Namaste, Y'all

580 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:20:02pm

re: #529 Sharmuta

What's up?

Taking hits. Get your ass home Lady!

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581 [deleted]  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:20:34pm
582 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:22:47pm

re: #5 zombie

In Agnostic Hell, you're not even sure whether you're suffering or not.

Perhaps Agnostic Hell has you sitting with one foot in a bucket of molten lead, and the other in a bucket of liquid nitrogen. On average, you'd be pretty comfy.

But seriously, if anybody is going to be consigned to Hell, I expect it would be Tas Walker, for the sin of lying in Jesus' name.

583 Buster Bunny  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:23:13pm

re: #577 Iron Fist

My favorite weapon of all time would have to go to the blunderbuss. Its a wonderfully bad weapon. How to use it? It goes sorta like this .. you sorta aim .. you sorta point it in the right direction .. and anything within about a 3 foot radius of the initial area is peppered by shot.

Who needs accuracy when you can just pepper everything?

584 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:23:42pm

re: #577 Iron Fist
LOL! I have absolutely no doubt at all that they are UNGODLY EXPENSIVE - but only for collectors of course. Real folks like us a) could never afford one and b) the Gatling has long been surpassed by other, more rapid fire weapons that can be had a lot cheaper, but are not, necessarily, for collectors only.

I didn't know that about Black Powder weapons. But a shoulder stock for a Glock is illegal or difficult to get a license for as all HELL. Go figure.
BTW, I'm kinda fading fast here, but if you'd like to hear an interesting story about a realblack powder weapons shootout, I'll tell it to you as quickly as I can.

585 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:23:56pm

I do believe the main stalker is a psychopath.

586 Teh Flowah  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:24:18pm

INTELLIGENT DESIGN ISN'T RELIGIOUS.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ISN'T RELIGIOUS.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ISN'T RELIGIOUS.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ISN'T RELIGIOUS.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ISN'T RELIGIOUS.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ISN'T RELIGIOUS.


BURN IN HELL FOR SAYING ID ISN'T SCIENCE.

587 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:24:34pm

re: #573 realwest

A rifle in a street type gunfight? I'd still druther have my Gatling Gun or a 10 ga. shotgun.

I'm going with pistol over rifle in that instance. I blame spaghetti westerns for my bias.

588 HelloDare  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:24:42pm

re: #2 zombie

If Hell existed, I'd probably burn there.

But, fortunately, as an agnostic, I'll only go to Agnostic Hell, which is much more pleasant.

They have popcorn in agnostic hell. The whole place is full of it. Up to your knees in some places.

589 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:26:38pm

re: #585 Gus 802
Hi Gus - uh, sorry, came in late - what main stalker?

590 Zimriel  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:28:01pm

re: #589 realwest

Hi Gus - uh, sorry, came in late - what main stalker?

Probably the whackjob who just called Gus a spreader of Nazi propaganda.

591 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:29:05pm

re: #589 realwest

Hi Gus - uh, sorry, came in late - what main stalker?

The drunkard over at 2.0. He's now saying I'm a Nazi sympathizer because I posted some Chetnik rules from Wiki. He went on a long rant with what followed with Cheniks as they stepped away from them being Nazi sympathizers.

592 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:29:30pm

re: #52 Charles

Somehow, I'm sure he has an explanation for that.

The Ark, while drifting about aimlessly, briefly grounded on Ayer's Rock, and the cage-load of marsupials being carried as deck cargo was knocked overboard.

/

593 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:31:23pm

re: #586 Teh Flowah

Did I mention I have sarc tags for sale. Cheap! Look at my selection.
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594 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:32:15pm

re: #475 Gus 802

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's a total fabrication since it's based on the above. I even provided a link to the Wiki reference.

This is the complete reference below:

As part of his opportunist policies in support of the creation of Greater Serbia, the Chetnik supreme commander Draža Mihailović issued the following "Instructions" (Serbian: Instrukcije) to his commanders on 20 December 1941:
“ The mission of our units is:
The struggle for the freedom of all of our people under the scepter of His Majesty, the King Peter II;
The creation of Greater Yugoslavia, and within it Greater Serbia, ethnically clean within the borders of Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Srem, Banat, and Bačka;
The struggle for the incorporation into our social structure of those non-liberated Slovenian territories under Italy and Germany (Trieste, Gorizia, Istria, and Carinthia), as well as Bulgaria and northern Albania with Shkodra;
The cleansing of all national minorities and anti-state elements from state territory;
The creation of direct common borders between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Bosniak population from Sandžak, and the Bosniak and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina;
The punishment of all Croats and Bosniaks who have mercilessly destroyed our people in these tragic days;
The settlement of the areas cleansed of national minorities and anti-state elements by Serbs and Montenegrins (to be considered are poor, nationally patriotic, and honest families).
There may be no collaboration with the communists [Partisans], as they are fighting against the Dynasty and in favor of socialist revolution. Albanians, Bosniaks, and Ustaše [Croats] are to be treated in accordance with their merit for the horrendous crimes against our population, i.e. they are to be turned over to the People's Court. The Croats living on the territory under Italian occupation [Dalmatians] are to be treated based on their disposition at the given moment.

How the fuck is referencing that being a Nazi sympathizer?

595 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:33:35pm

re: #591 Gus 802 Well I've never been to 2.0 but I've read your comments for quite a while now and whoever it is, is just wrong - drunk, would maybe be hard to tell.
But you're one of my good guys Gus, and I know that you're not a Nazi sympathizer - in fact I'd say just the reverse - you hate 'em all as much as I do.
There sure are some crazy mofo's around if they'd call you that.

596 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:33:36pm

i believe that's a typo Charles: it's supposed to be "Tas Wanker".....

/white smoke

(sorry if someone already made the joke)

597 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:35:36pm

Getting late here. I'm out for the night.

598 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:38:09pm

re: #594 Gus 802
Hey there my friend, read my #595 - you're cool about that stupid shit. And whoever called you a Nazi sympathizer was wrong and probably just trying to defame you - fuck him, it ain't worth getting hot over; the people in the blogosphere who know you know you're the antithesis of a Nazi sympathizer.

599 slokat  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:38:09pm

re: #588 HelloDare

They have popcorn in agnostic hell. The whole place is full of it. Up to your knees in some places.

No hell, nor heaven in agnostic teaching... you die, that's all.

Can't have popcorn after non-existence, 'cause there isn't anything.

Unless you are creating a new myth that is more comfortable to you?

600 realwest  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:40:20pm

well y'all it's getting late and I gotta get some sleep!
I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

601 lostlakehiker  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:41:08pm

I went and looked at the site and noticed that our geologist friend Tas was asserting that all the bad lying geologists are murmuring soft nothings to us about how rocks always take millions and millions of years to form, and here we have a bottle that fell into the ocean and that's since been slimed by a concrete-like aggregate in just a few hundred years.

Geologists don't insist that everything about rocks takes a long time. Volcanic magma can solidify mid-air when spattered molten from a volcano. One sees rocks full of bubbles, miles and tens of miles away from volcanos. The stuff is called scoria. Volcanic ash flows can weld themselves into a rock as they cool, and that can take just minutes. Going to somewhat slower processes, travertine laid down at hot springs in Yellowstone can accumulate at rates of up to 1 inch per week. It wouldn't take millions of years to bury a bottle at that rate!

That said, sandstone doesn't form overnight.

602 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:41:24pm

re: #600 realwest

well y'all it's getting late and I gotta get some sleep!
I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Later, thanks for the support.

603 axegrinder  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:42:17pm

re: #573 realwest

A rifle in a street type gunfight? I'd still druther have my Gatling Gun or a 10 ga. shotgun.

Oh. A gunfight. I'm pretty sure I'd be under the porch. I was aiming for the 'most popular' gun. Huntin' rifle. Good for all kinds of varmits. Easy to load; fast to shot.

604 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:43:07pm

The Road to Bosnia

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

605 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:49:35pm

Bosnian Genocide and Concentration Camps in Bosnia

BOSNIAN GENOCIDE: Remembering Serbian-run concentration camps in Bosnia, where Bosniaks (Muslims) and Croats (Catholics) were detained, tortured, and killed:

606 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:52:54pm

I don't have HBO, buf it wasn't for the Curb Your Enthusiasm DVD's I borrowed from a co-worker, I'd never know what became of Tia Carrere

607 MrPaulRevere  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:53:48pm

re: #604 Gus 802

Fascinating stuff, thanks. You are a real asset to LGF by the way.

608 Throbert McGee  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:55:03pm

re: #550 JohnAdams

Congratulations. But I don't think you read it. I think you heard it. Can't give you full marks. Stated with all humility because I never read it, even though I was lit major.

I was a Russian major and I managed to avoid reading War and Peace! (Had to read Anna Karenina, though -- in translation. Tolstoy was definitely not my cuppa.)

609 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 10:58:08pm

re: #599 slokat

I get the impression that you're fuzzy on the concept of agnosticism.

Also, for absolutely no reason whatsoever, Ennio Morricone is a genius.

610 Salamantis  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:00:29pm

re: #105 jaunte

The Methodological naturalism of science is what both creationists and IDers object to, as rigid and dogmatic, but it's just a set of methods developed to reliably find out about the world. We use the method because it works. They have no equally reliable method with which to replace it.

They keep insisting that methodological empiricism entails metaphysical naturalism, which it does not. Empirical science has nothing whatsoever to say about metaphysics, one way or the other. Nothing at all.

611 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:01:05pm

re: #599 slokat

No hell, nor heaven in agnostic teaching... you die, that's all.

Can't have popcorn after non-existence, 'cause there isn't anything.

Unless you are creating a new myth that is more comfortable to you?

hell is other people, so aren't we already there?

/white smoke

612 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:03:16pm

re: #603 axegrinder

Oh. A gunfight. I'm pretty sure I'd be under the porch. I was aiming for the 'most popular' gun. Huntin' rifle. Good for all kinds of varmits. Easy to load; fast to shot.

my most popular gun is the one i have handy when i need one..... specifics are nice, but it's better to have and not need than need and not have.

613 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:05:50pm

re: #609 Slumbering Behemoth

I get the impression that you're fuzzy on the concept of agnosticism.

Also, for absolutely no reason whatsoever, Ennio Morricone is a genius.

as is Clint.

614 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:06:47pm

great............. i show up and start commenting and *poof*

no thread.

615 Throbert McGee  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:07:07pm

re: #190 SteveC

What ring are we in if they constantly say "Time to make the donuts!"

According to Dante, donut-punchers go to the Seventh Circle of Hell.

616 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:07:25pm
617 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:07:54pm

at least asshole central is back up and running, instead of me having to get HRH's laptop top to play........

618 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:08:36pm

re: #613 redc1c4

Sergio Leone is pretty cool, too.

619 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:10:28pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth

Winnie the Pooh and Swine Flu.

/language

that's just wrong......

(but funny as hell. %-)

620 redc1c4  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:11:24pm

re: #618 Slumbering Behemoth

Sergio Leone is pretty cool, too.

since we have this thread all to ourselves, what should we do with it?

boob thread or just puns?

621 Gus  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:12:28pm

re: #607 MrPaulRevere

Fascinating stuff, thanks. You are a real asset to LGF by the way.

Thanks.

I'd say more but I think I'll drop it for the time being.

622 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:15:22pm

re: #620 redc1c4

Well, given my perverted and misogynistic nature, I say boobs. Have a gander at this page that I recently linked for O.R..

623 BatGuano  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:15:22pm

re: #609 Slumbering Behemoth

If you haven't already, check out "The Mission" soundtrack by Ennio. I have had the CD for about 18 years.

624 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:19:03pm

re: #623 BatGuano

Thanks for the tip.

625 Steffan  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:33:42pm

Ya know, ID = a very specific religion.

If we are forced to accept ID, we need to be forced to accept all those other beliefs, as well ("Congress Shall Make No Law," right?).

Therefore, if we accept ID, we also need to accept that the world is flat and is carried on the back of a turtle. Plus that Apollo carries the Sun in his chariot.

Plus that the world is round, and we live on the inside of it.

Plus that space aliens care about our engrams.

Plus that.... oy. Charles, you're precisely right to question these morons. They have yet to realize what they might unleash if they succeed in requiring religious beliefs to be taught as science.

Whose beliefs are we talking about here, hmmmm?

626 SixDegrees  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:46:33pm

re: #37 itellu3times

I read some Antony Flew, a few years ago. He's a respectable academic philosopher, but nothing remarkable. And there is an awful lot of nonsense going on in the philosophy department these days, more than usual. Nobody pays philosophers much attention anymore, what with hard science and social science and literature and critical theory and whatnot, what's left for them? So, a lot of philosophers yearn for something to hold onto. Anything. Skepticism is out of style, as philosophy, if it was ever really in. Faith, in God, or in abstruse theories with no consequences or unlikely ones, seem more than usually popular. A lot of atavism, throwbacks to old stuff, seem popular. So, if Prof. Flew has written this book, it's mildly trendy, I suppose, but that doesn't make it coherent, much less noteworthy.

So the dean of the university was arguing with the head of the computer department over the deparment's proposed budget. "Look at all this stuff! Computers, calculators, networking infrastructure...it's all so expensive. Why can't you be more like the math department - all they ever ask me for is pencils and wastebaskets."

After a pause, the dean went on, "In fact, why can't you be more like the philosophy department? All they ever ask me for is pencils."

627 SixDegrees  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:51:25pm

re: #625 Steffan

Ya know, ID = a very specific religion.

If we are forced to accept ID, we need to be forced to accept all those other beliefs, as well ("Congress Shall Make No Law," right?).

Therefore, if we accept ID, we also need to accept that the world is flat and is carried on the back of a turtle. Plus that Apollo carries the Sun in his chariot.

Plus that the world is round, and we live on the inside of it.

Plus that space aliens care about our engrams.

Plus that.... oy. Charles, you're precisely right to question these morons. They have yet to realize what they might unleash if they succeed in requiring religious beliefs to be taught as science.

Whose beliefs are we talking about here, hmmmm?

Let's be clear: ID's goal is not to reform science. ID's goal is the establishment of a monolithic fundamentalist Baptist theocracy over the entire United States - for starters - and ultimately the world. They are precisely equivalent to the Taliban in terms of what they are striving to achieve.

They view the Constitution as an impediment, and would happily burn it at the first opportunity.

628 SixDegrees  Sun, May 3, 2009 11:54:21pm

re: #601 lostlakehiker

I went and looked at the site and noticed that our geologist friend Tas was asserting that all the bad lying geologists are murmuring soft nothings to us about how rocks always take millions and millions of years to form, and here we have a bottle that fell into the ocean and that's since been slimed by a concrete-like aggregate in just a few hundred years.

Geologists don't insist that everything about rocks takes a long time. Volcanic magma can solidify mid-air when spattered molten from a volcano. One sees rocks full of bubbles, miles and tens of miles away from volcanos. The stuff is called scoria. Volcanic ash flows can weld themselves into a rock as they cool, and that can take just minutes. Going to somewhat slower processes, travertine laid down at hot springs in Yellowstone can accumulate at rates of up to 1 inch per week. It wouldn't take millions of years to bury a bottle at that rate!

That said, sandstone doesn't form overnight.

The most often used tool in the IDer's kit is lying. In the absence of evidence or other scientific validation, it's all they've got, and they apply it constantly.

629 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:42:46am

re: #627 SixDegrees

Let's be clear: ID's goal is not to reform science. ID's goal is the establishment of a monolithic fundamentalist Baptist theocracy over the entire United States - for starters - and ultimately the world. They are precisely equivalent to the Taliban in terms of what they are striving to achieve.

They view the Constitution as an impediment, and would happily burn it at the first opportunity.

Umm, not Baptist in general, but Southern Baptist in particular.

No, scratch that; fundamentalist in particular, including Southern Baptists (see the late Jerry Falwell), Southern Methodists, Assembly of God-ers (see Pat Robertson), and Church of the Nazarene-ies (James Dobson's group).

630 golly  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:40:21am

re: #601 lostlakehiker

I have a photo of a crosscut saw that a long time ago Cleatus and Darryl used to try to cut down a travertine column in an obscure TN cave. The saw got stuck, they left it and it is now covered with about 1/2" of travertine. I think I'll send it to Tas and see if it becomes a new "proof" item. I'm going to outside now and poke a hornet's nest with a stick.

631 Senior Ferrari  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:59am

Just remember Mark Twain's old observation that he really didn't care if, in the end, he went to heaven or hell, since he had so many good friends in both places. (It's an observation which seems to drive some people crazy.)

632 Mr Secul  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:28:05am

re: #90 Charles

At least they're not trying to trick people.

Except when they quote mine. And when they are engineers pretending to be scientists...

633 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:59am

Let me ask you all a question and I'm not trying to stir up some sort of storm or anything.

Is Charles using his website as a soapbox for atheism?

I keep reading his posts that evolution does not automatically assume that there is no God, who's in control of it all and we shouldn't be assuming anything.

But I'm assuming, at this point.

So, please. Charles or anyone else, please tell me if you're promoting atheism or just trying to protect American kids, with the separation of church and state.

A straight-forward answer would probably keep me interested in reading and contributing to this blog.

634 Mr Secul  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:47:58am

re: #149 looking closely

There is a lot of money to be made if you can intelligently design your own organisms.

Isn't curious how the proponents of "intelligent design" are also against that sort of thing?

Here is an example of Intelligent Design in practice.

In brief: they designed an artificial neuroglobin .

Neuroglobin has a higher affinity for O2 than hemoglobin and so helps prevent brain damage in low O2 conditions.

These scientists used Intelligent Design to create a better neuroglobin than the existing natural neuroglobins.

The Intelligently Designed neuroglobin binds tighter to O2 than it does to CO (carbon monoxide). If Humans had Intelligently Designed neuro and hemoglobins then they would not die from carbon monoxide poisoning.

Here are some quotes from the full article (access requires subscription). The numbers are links to supporting materials.

It has long been recognized that natural selection and evolution build complexity into natural proteins and biological systems1, 2, 3. This complexity frustrates biochemists seeking to understand structure and function4 and presents an extraordinary challenge to protein engineers who aim to reproduce or create new functions in proteins. So far, this complexity has severely constrained the ability of protein engineers to approach the efficiency of natural protein catalysts5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. However common it may be in nature, we maintain that complexity is not an essential feature of protein as a material, nor is it an essential feature of catalysis, as shown by synthetic chemical systems11. By understanding the origins of complexity and making purposeful efforts to separate multiple utilities and minimize complexity during the design and testing of artificial proteins that are completely independent of natural selection, we show how to progressively build in sophisticated biochemical features that reproduce and exceed natural protein function. Our approach follows that long used by artists and architects who develop maquettes–simple models that are progressively altered to test and determine the ultimate characteristics of their constructions.

Protein function requires more than a static structure12. In natural proteins, the motion that is part of engineering of protein function is often specific, which can make re-engineering motion for new functions prohibitively difficult. In contrast, artificial proteins offer a full palette of motions that engineering can edit to facilitate those that are productive and remove those that are unproductive.

Here is the really interesting part:

In all natural haemoglobins with distal histidines, either preferentially bound to the haem iron, as in neuroglobin, or displaced from the iron, as in myoglobin or human haemoglobin, CO is a poison that binds more tightly than O2. Our work shows this is not an essential property. The binding of CO to 6 is weaker than to natural globins (Table 1). This results in a net tenfold discrimination favouring O2 binding over CO binding, the largest observed for any distal histidine haem-protein complex, and comparable to distal tyrosine sites with extreme O2 affinity.

635 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:21:17am

re: #633 Miles

Let me ask you all a question and I'm not trying to stir up some sort of storm or anything.

Is Charles using his website as a soapbox for atheism?

I keep reading his posts that evolution does not automatically assume that there is no God, who's in control of it all and we shouldn't be assuming anything.

But I'm assuming, at this point.

So, please. Charles or anyone else, please tell me if you're promoting atheism or just trying to protect American kids, with the separation of church and state.

A straight-forward answer would probably keep me interested in reading and contributing to this blog.

A belief in evolution does not equal atheism.

The Catholic church supports the theory of evolution. I'm fairly certain that the Pope is not an atheist.

636 hellosnackbar  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:06am

re#226Charles,
He's on a mission to save you from yourself!
So much love;so little time.

637 Mr Secul  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:29:29am

re: #633 Miles

So, please. Charles or anyone else, please tell me if you're promoting atheism or just trying to protect American kids, with the separation of church and state.

A straight-forward answer would probably keep me interested in reading and contributing to this blog.

This question has been repeatedly addressed over a period of months. You will find very few threads on this subject that don't contain at least one statement to the effect that the point of the threads is to preserve the separation of church and state with particular opposition to teaching religious ideas in science classrooms.

Though this thread is more about the hate mail that Charles receives as a response to his opposition to teaching Creationism in science classes in public, state funded, schools.

You've been a member for over two years, how can you not already know this?

638 hellosnackbar  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:32:55am

re#634 Mr Secul,
Super stuff, look foward to your next post.

639 jones  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:44:41am

Above the contact box, put WWJD? See if they are writing for themselves, or their G-d.

I don't see Jesus writing like that.

640 Mr Secul  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:12:10am

re: #638 hellosnackbar

Thanks :-)

I oversold this point:

If Humans had Intelligently Designed neuro and hemoglobins then they would not die from carbon monoxide poisoning.

That's not necessarily true. If we were the product of Intelligent Designers then we could still have imperfect designs.

The IDs may not have realized that better solutions were available (they were not Omniscient). Or they may not have cared about the suffering caused by CO poisoning (not absolutely Benevolent). Or maybe they were up against time or budget constraints (the were not Omnipotent).

I'm not sure that I would let them off the hook on the budget constraint. The simpler solution is easier to make and is better. I think that you would have to perform more work to make the more complicated design.

This isn't any kind of disproof of ID. its just another example of how natural systems have more of the stamp of mindless evolution and have less of the hallmarks of Intelligent Design.

The things that I associate with Intelligent design:

* it works
* understanding principles
* foresight (the ability to see the obvious, ahead of time)
* no unnecessary complexity

Things that I associate with Evolution:

* it works
* no understanding of principles (evolution is a process, it has no mind)
* no foresight
* overly elaborate 'designs', no new designs from scratch, tinkering with existing structures

To me the evidence currently suggests that life has evolved but I think that the evidence for this will only get stronger as we start to do more ID of organisms and biochemical structures.

Note the first paragraph of the abstract.

The principles of natural protein engineering are obscured by overlapping functions and complexity accumulated through natural selection and evolution.

The people who are doing this research into ID are scientists who accept evolution and natural selection. They are of the opinion that natural structures are not Intelligently Designed.

Yet they are the ones doing the work, they are the ones investigating the potential of intelligently designing biological systems.

They don't subscribe to the religious/philosophical tenets of ID. they are just designing molecules from observed principles to see how they work.

The results of their work function better than the natural chemicals but do not look the same (they are simpler and have less, arbitrary, complexity).

641 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:31:22am

re: #637 Mr Secul

I guess because I've been so completely disenfranchised with this site, due to Charles' campaign against a non-issue, that traditional Christians are suddenly a huge problem. We have the ACLU and Political Correctness influencing assaults on our public schools, while Christians are slowly being nudged out, as haters. Last place I'd like to see their ammunition being bought from is this site.

Let's pretend that evolution is, in fact, Fact! Seems to me like people here are all socks-over your idea that evolution can't be argued against, not unlike Global Warming. Yet, we have Charles saying how us idiots can't seem to understand how a virus can mutate and that if we don't accept the basics of evolution, we are truly idiots.

Mutation of virus' is not Darwin's "Evolution". Might as well claim that Westminster dog champions are also Darwin's prizes.

Now, I haven't been banned from here and that's all lovely, because I'm reading more and more comments on other "Conservative" websites, that claim their rights to free speech have been somehow stifled.

That, after I tried to inject my Christian viewpoint and was met with negative comments, most of which was underlined by a negative rep, by Charles, himself, with no substantial rebuttal

642 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:34:24am

re: #633 Miles

Let me ask you all a question and I'm not trying to stir up some sort of storm or anything.

Is Charles using his website as a soapbox for atheism?

I keep reading his posts that evolution does not automatically assume that there is no God, who's in control of it all and we shouldn't be assuming anything.

But I'm assuming, at this point.

So, please. Charles or anyone else, please tell me if you're promoting atheism or just trying to protect American kids, with the separation of church and state.

A straight-forward answer would probably keep me interested in reading and contributing to this blog.

/Yeah, because your few contributions have been so important to this blog and so valued by its members:

Miles
Desert Storm US Army Medic
Karma: -40
Registered since: Apr 30, 2006 at 4:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 127
No. of links posted: 8

643 el guape  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:35:36am

Well, like Penn Jillette says, if he sincerely believes that you would go to hell unless you believed in Jesus (which is not exactly the same thing as the Biblical account of creation) he would be an asshole for not trying to at least tell you that you're headed there.

Watch it here

644 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:37am

To be fair, he never specifically says you're going to burn in hell. He merely delves out a safety tip. Be VERY CAREFULY until you get time to read various bible passages which will show you the light and help you understand that evolution is simply an illusion from Satan.

Geez...

645 el guape  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:48am

Salamantis, did you even read the question posed by Miles before you kicked him?

646 hellosnackbar  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:46:50am

re#Mr Secul,
Thanks for your posts;as a former chemist researching fluorinated steroids.
I have a special interest in whether natural products are optimal with respect to the purpose they serve.
It was the best job I ever had ;but the pay was lousy.

647 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:49:35am

re: #641 Miles

I guess because I've been so completely disenfranchised with this site, due to Charles' campaign against a non-issue, that traditional Christians are suddenly a huge problem. We have the ACLU and Political Correctness influencing assaults on our public schools, while Christians are slowly being nudged out, as haters. Last place I'd like to see their ammunition being bought from is this site.

It's a BIG FUCKING ISSUE when a well-funded Christian theocratic lobby daisy chains with the Religious Right and all their pulpit-guided-missile voters to try to force our government to allow the violation of its own constitution and permit the coerced sectarian religious brainwashing of everybody's kids in some religious fanatics' pet religious dogmas in public high school science classes!

Let's pretend that evolution is, in fact, Fact! Seems to me like people here are all socks-over your idea that evolution can't be argued against, not unlike Global Warming. Yet, we have Charles saying how us idiots can't seem to understand how a virus can mutate and that if we don't accept the basics of evolution, we are truly idiots.

Anyone can argue against evolution, provided they have valid, sound and solid arguments. So far we haven't seen any of those. You got any? I didn't think so.

'Mutation of virus' is not Darwin's "Evolution". Might as well claim that Westminster dog champions are also Darwin's prizes.

And what about transitional fossils between bird and dino, between fish and amphibian, and between land animals and whales? We got those. And we have so much genetic evidence, it should make your head spin like Linda Blair's:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

Now, I haven't been banned from here and that's all lovely, because I'm reading more and more comments on other "Conservative" websites, that claim their rights to free speech have been somehow stifled.

I'm quite sure that sites claiming the troof of 9-11 inside jobism and nirth certificatism make the same spurious claims. But the brass tacks white dog truth is that they cannot empirically support their claims, and the opposing side can.

That, after I tried to inject my Christian viewpoint and was met with negative comments, most of which was underlined by a negative rep, by Charles, himself, with no substantial rebuttal

Faith ain't evidence, and belief ain't truth. Just because vast masses of the faithful may piously and fervently believe that dwarves are fellating unicorns beneath the mountains of the moon doesn't make it true. The objective facts do not bend to subjective desires.

648 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:51:20am

re: #645 el guape

Salamantis, did you even read the question posed by Miles before you kicked him?

Yeah, I did...and it was a bovine fecal query.

649 hellosnackbar  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:06:48am

re#647and 648,
You don't suffer fools gladly Sal!do you?
Straight common sense (with serious intelligence)is something that the believers can't deal with.
Your thoughtful "put downs" are a delight.

650 theatheistjew  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:12:49am

re: #648 Salamantis

Miles is just being a good creationist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viw7MpXU4GU&feature=channel_page
You'll like the above video.

651 Render  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:28:45am

[Link: render64.wordpress.com...]

I saw this quote about Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs from a commenter on a cesspool of a blog called Ace of Spades the other day, but I’ve seen versions of it on other so-called “anti-Jihadist” blogs.

“Charles lost it when he tried to say the solar/early Christian/Celtic cross on the Belgian politician’s mantle proved beyond any doubt that he was a Nazi.”

As if the part about Vlaams Belang/Vlaam Bloks founder Karel Dillon being an openly avowed neo-Nazi (that’s post-war - as in after the war was over) and published Holocaust denier who handpicked Fillip DeWinter (possessor of the White Pride Worldwide statue) and Frank Vanhecke to be his successors as co-leaders of the VB wasn’t proof enough?

As if DeWinter and Vanhecke being allied with Nick Griffins British racist party BNP and Le Pen’s French racist party FN wasn’t proof enough?

As if David Duke’s open endorsement of VB wasn’t proof enough?

As if the VB section of the Stormfront White Nationalist forums wasn’t proof enough?

As if Fillip DeWinter repeatedly showing up at neo-Nazi functions, funerals for old wartime Nazis, and marching to Waffen SS cemeteries wasn’t proof enough?

As if VMO, Roland Raes, and all those other open Jew haters and Holocaust deniers in VB weren’t proof enough?

The stupid White Pride statuette on DeWinters bookshelf wasn’t the proof of VB being a neo-Nazi political party it was the icing on the cake, the punctuation at the end of the sentence, the straw that broke the camels back. It was the last piece of evidence in a case that is over fifty years old.

It doesn’t matter one bit whether Charles Johnson lost “it”, found “it”, or ever had “it.” What matters is that Karel Dillion was an open neo-Nazi and one of the very first post war Holocaust deniers. What matters is that any form of alliance with the Belgian neo-Nazi party Vlaams Belang is also an alliance with FN, BNP, and David Duke. An alliance that no right thinking Jew should ever contemplate, for there is a war time term for such Jews…

KAPO.

===

If you are not linking to, quoting from, or reading Bill Roggio's Long War Journal, then you have no business calling yourself an "anti-Jihadist."

Yeah Rodan, I'm talking about you. No links to LWJ, no links to Internet Haganah, no links to the Jawa Report, just an unhealthy obsession with Charles Johnson wrapped up in a bigoted hatred for all Muslims. Such a steller blog model you've cooked up...not.

FORGOTTEN
LEGIONS,
R

652 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:34am

re: #649 hellosnackbar

re#647and 648,
You don't suffer fools gladly Sal!do you?
Straight common sense (with serious intelligence)is something that the believers can't deal with.
Your thoughtful "put downs" are a delight.

I have a difficult time suffering fools at all. This fact does tend to distress unsuffered fools. As if I care.

653 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:40:23am

Well, that didn't take long.

You people are about as gracious as malicious Liberals.

654 Mr Secul  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:41:26am

re: #646 hellosnackbar

re#Mr Secul,
Thanks for your posts;as a former chemist researching fluorinated steroids.
I have a special interest in whether natural products are optimal with respect to the purpose they serve.
It was the best job I ever had ;but the pay was lousy.

The best job I ever had also had lousy pay. :-)

I'm sure that natural selection can select for optimal products if it matters.

Natural neuroglobins work OK, they are just bad news when the organism is exposed to high levels of CO. This is pretty rare and so isn't really an issue for 99.999% of all organisms' lives.

Also natural selection has to work with what is available.

OTOH Intelligent Designers can look at a problem and can come up with completely novel solutions based on first principles. They are not constrained by what has gone before.

Boeing didn't build a biplane then modify the lower wings into a retractable undercarriage with the doors that cover it. That's not how jumbo jets were designed nor made. But those are the kinds of things that we see with natural structures: modification and re purposing of existing structures instead of the creation of completely novel structures from scratch.

An intelligent designer could look at various neuroglobin designs and decide that its better to have CO immunity if there is no cost, even if CO poisoning is rare.

Though, to be fair, I don't think that a full cost benefit analysis has been done. There is the cost of the DNA to code for the protein and the energy costs of making the DNA and the protein, plus the lifetime costs (protein durability and the cost of disposing of the protein once its damaged).

But that's something that the Discovery Institute scientists could look into. I think that they have a vested interest in the subject and they could have a valuable contribution to make to science by researching the subject.

If it turns out that the artificial neuroglobin is cheaper than natural neuroglobins then its of little benefit to their cause but they have helped our understanding of the issue.

If it turns out that the artificial neuroglobins are more expensive than the natural varieties then this particular molecule would look less attractive.

Either way they would be doing useful work to increase our understanding of nature.

There are valid research opportunities for Intelligent Design studies. I see results from 'Darwinists'; I don't see the output and contributions from the Discovery Institute.

655 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:45:34am

re: #653 Miles

Well, that didn't take long.

You people are about as gracious as malicious Liberals.

Well, you've tried, and failed, to gratuitously slander Charles as an atheist/secularist/humanist, and the Lizard Army as liberals. Got any more sludgey slime to spew?

All you got is false and vicious ad hominem. And that's been a Greek logical fallacy for 2500 years. Don't hate the playa; hate the game, and don't shoot the messenger, refute the message. But you can't. Which is why you resort to impotent ad hominem woofing.

Arf, arf.

656 Altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:48:41am

re: #653 Miles

Well, that didn't take long.

You people are about as gracious as malicious Liberals.

Miles, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Miles.

657 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:57:03am

re: #655 Salamantis

Well, you've tried, and failed, to gratuitously slander Charles as an atheist/secularist/humanist, and the Lizard Army as liberals. Got any more sludgey slime to spew?

All you got is false and vicious ad hominem. And that's been a Greek logical fallacy for 2500 years. Don't hate the playa; hate the game, and don't shoot the messenger, refute the message. But you can't. Which is why you resort to impotent ad hominem woofing.

Arf, arf.

You're an idiot. I didn't even start to try to slander anybody, especially Charles.

I asked a simple question and people systematically negatively repped me and responded with knee-jerking responses, like that idiot theatheistjew just posted. What a typical response. You're such an intellectual!

Forget it. I shouldn't have expected a mature debate, in the first place. See ya later...you idiots win!

658 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:05:30am

re: #657 Miles

You're an idiot. I didn't even start to try to slander anybody, especially Charles.

I asked a simple question and people systematically negatively repped me and responded with knee-jerking responses, like that idiot theatheistjew just posted. What a typical response. You're such an intellectual!

Forget it. I shouldn't have expected a mature debate, in the first place. See ya later...you idiots win!

First you call me an idiot, then you accuse me of being an intellectual, as if that were a bad thing, and then you call me an idiot again...

Can't you make up your mind? Or is absence intrinsically and inherently unstable?

Mature debates don't involve accusations disguised as questions. Maybe when you mature, you'll come to realize that. And then again, maybe not.

659 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:35am

re: #656 Altermite

Miles, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet Miles.

It's a case of the ebon kettle calling the stainless steel pot black.

660 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:45am

re: #659 Salamantis

It's a case of the ebon kettle calling the stainless steel pot black.

Oops: the ebon pot calling the stainless steel kettle black...

pimf!

661 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:29:41am

re: #633 Miles

Maybe he's trying to promote scientific and civic understanding.

662 theatheistjew  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:34:51am

re: #657 Miles
Can you do better than calling people here idiots? I'm wondering how old you are? 14, 15?
You were already given a good answer that evolution does not equal atheism.
Where does Charles go on about there being no God? I belong to the Atheist Blog Roll. If you want to see the difference between this blog and an atheist blog, I suggest you go to my blog for starters.

663 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:08:34am

re: #662 theatheistjew

Can you do better than calling people here idiots? I'm wondering how old you are? 14, 15?
You were already given a good answer that evolution does not equal atheism.
Where does Charles go on about there being no God? I belong to the Atheist Blog Roll. If you want to see the difference between this blog and an atheist blog, I suggest you go to my blog for starters.

I was not given a courteous answer at all, and so I responded, in kind.

Thanks for the straw-man beat-up responses, by the way, fellas. Apparently I'm an idiot who can't understand simple science and am a branded Religious Fanatic.

End Transmission.

And I'm sure to lose some sleep by your "Good Riddance" reponses, which I'll read for posterity, but refuse to respond to.

664 theatheistjew  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:17:21am

re: #663 Miles

What was wrong with response #635?
Btw, if you aren't down with evolution, you are willfully ignorant. There is no two ways around it. Evolution is fact, and the reason you can't or won't accept it is because it messes with your religious beliefs. Be honest.

665 Land Shark  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:26:35am

re: #38 Killgore Trout

An excellent observation. And the answer, of course, is that I.D. has everything to do with religion. I believe in I.D. because I believe in God as the creator of the evolutionary process, because it's a matter of faith. To say it has nothing to do with religion is so ridiculous it boggles the mind.

It's bad enough so many of my fellow believers want to shove a matter of faith in the science classroom were it doesn't belong, but that they have to lie about it really makes me mad. Maybe they forgot that commandment about lying. On top of that their arrogance leads them to state in no certain terms what God will do as if God was a puppet dancing on their strings, as if they have a direct line to him. "God will make you burn in HELL if you believe in evolution." Oh really? They also forgot that line about "judge not, lest ye be judged." What hubris!

666 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:03am

re: #663 Miles

I was not given a courteous answer at all, and so I responded, in kind.

You asked an uncourteous and libelous question which was actually a veiled accusation.

Thanks for the straw-man beat-up responses, by the way, fellas. Apparently I'm an idiot who can't understand simple science and am a branded Religious Fanatic.

End Transmission.

You might be on to something there. Here; have a red herring. I understand that they're delicious on a bed of straw.

And I'm sure to lose some sleep by your "Good Riddance" reponses, which I'll read for posterity, but refuse to respond to.

Sominex might help. Or masturbation.

667 thesextons  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #627 SixDegrees

Let's be clear: ID's goal is not to reform science. ID's goal is the establishment of a monolithic fundamentalist Baptist theocracy over the entire United States - for starters - and ultimately the world. They are precisely equivalent to the Taliban in terms of what they are striving to achieve.

They view the Constitution as an impediment, and would happily burn it at the first opportunity.

What inroads have the Baptist Taliban made towards the establishment of a "monolithic fundamentalist Baptist theocracy over the entire United States"?

I assume, since we are so concerned with the Baptist Taliban, you can cite numerous public school systems in the United States that have replaced their science texts with illustrated copies of the Book of Genesis and have begun the process of herding non-believers into ghettos for observation and to ensure that the greater population is not tainted. Moreover, there must be an even longer list with school systems that have been fooled into teaching the brainwashing theory of Intelligent Design.

Also, please provide an accounting of Constitutional jurisprudence dismantling the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Since the threat from the Baptist Taliban is so great, the Baptists must have infiltrated the federal judiciary and are well on their way to gutting the EC. A list of the recent cases incrementally scaling back the wall of separation between Church and State would be appreciated.

I just want evidentiary ammunition when I'm out on my street corner passing on the Good News about the evil and pervasive conspiracy of the Baptist Taliban.

Thanks in advance.

668 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:13am

re: #641 Miles

I guess because I've been so completely disenfranchised with this site, due to Charles' campaign against a non-issue, that traditional Christians are suddenly a huge problem. We have the ACLU and Political Correctness influencing assaults on our public schools, while Christians are slowly being nudged out, as haters. Last place I'd like to see their ammunition being bought from is this site.

Let's pretend that evolution is, in fact, Fact! Seems to me like people here are all socks-over your idea that evolution can't be argued against, not unlike Global Warming. Yet, we have Charles saying how us idiots can't seem to understand how a virus can mutate and that if we don't accept the basics of evolution, we are truly idiots.

Mutation of virus' is not Darwin's "Evolution". Might as well claim that Westminster dog champions are also Darwin's prizes.

Now, I haven't been banned from here and that's all lovely, because I'm reading more and more comments on other "Conservative" websites, that claim their rights to free speech have been somehow stifled.

That, after I tried to inject my Christian viewpoint and was met with negative comments, most of which was underlined by a negative rep, by Charles, himself, with no substantial rebuttal

Charles Darwin was very much aware of what breeders were doing. New breeds could be developed over the course of a few decades, and he'd seen it done. This was to him a clue: if new breeds can develop over a few generations when the hand and mind of man is doing the guiding, then why can't new breeds, and over more time, new species, develop, when natural selection is doing the guiding?

The breeder, like nature, waits for chance variations to crop up. The breeder, like nature, then culls the breeding population while preserving the favored variations. The difference here is that the breeder is in a position to give an imposing edge to the variations he favors, while natural selection gives only a little boost. Chance variations don't provide the kind of survival and breeding advantage in the wild that a breeder can just confer. Time, however, is on the side of evolution. The breeder doesn't have a million years to work with. He doesn't have another 100 million if he needs another try or two.

You're not an idiot if you cannot follow this logic. It's subtle. You're not by any means an idiot if you will not follow this logic, because to attempt to follow it triggers fear or disgust.

You're just wrong. Lots of people are wrong on lots of things. On any given day, half the nation is wrong about which way the market will move. Einstein was wrong about quantum physics. Being wrong from time to time is part of the human condition.

You're right about the value that Christians bring to the matter of what should be taught. You're right about how the ACLU and the PC-brigades are messing up public education. Wrong or not on this one point of Origin of Species, you're a valuable and valued ally in the struggle to keep our schools free of nonsense and ideological indoctrination sessions.

669 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #661 Sharmuta

Maybe he's trying to promote scientific and civic understanding.

What was I thinking?! It couldn;t possibly be that simple. There must be some sinister, nefarious, ulterior motive that better fits with the pre-existing conclusions of those who insist on being offended and insulted by science, such as an Illuminati plot. ///

Or should that be 5 sarc tags? Which one for the Free Masons and which for the Illuminati again? I keep forgetting.

670 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:30:05am

How incredibly tedious. Even in a thread about hate mail that threatens me with eternal torment, people still show up whining about "atheism."

No matter how many times I post that accepting evolution doesn't equal atheism, no matter how many clergymen say it, no matter that the Pope himself has said it, still the thin-skinned fundamentalists want to whine and moan that refusing to accept Biblical literalist creationism is the same thing as atheism.

Tedious. Beyond belief. They walk in with huge chips on their shoulders, post angry, silly, illogical comments, then complain that people aren't being nice to them.

671 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:24am

By the way, everything "Miles" is saying here, he said in previous threads, and was answered there, by numerous commenters including me. He's just coming back again and parroting the exact same points -- he's not really interested in anyone's answers.

672 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:53:17am

re: #667 thesextons

What inroads have the Baptist Taliban made towards the establishment of a "monolithic fundamentalist Baptist theocracy over the entire United States"?

I assume, since we are so concerned with the Baptist Taliban, you can cite numerous public school systems in the United States that have replaced their science texts with illustrated copies of the Book of Genesis and have begun the process of herding non-believers into ghettos for observation and to ensure that the greater population is not tainted. Moreover, there must be an even longer list with school systems that have been fooled into teaching the brainwashing theory of Intelligent Design.

Also, please provide an accounting of Constitutional jurisprudence dismantling the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Since the threat from the Baptist Taliban is so great, the Baptists must have infiltrated the federal judiciary and are well on their way to gutting the EC. A list of the recent cases incrementally scaling back the wall of separation between Church and State would be appreciated.

I just want evidentiary ammunition when I'm out on my street corner passing on the Good News about the evil and pervasive conspiracy of the Baptist Taliban.

Thanks in advance.

Any school district that has voted to allow ID to be taught in place of science is a fine example of the establishment of a theocracy in motion.

The difference between this and what the Taliban seek is precisely zero.

673 KansasMom  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #670 Charles

In my neck of the woods lots of people consider anyone who doesn't belong to their specific Christian sect an "atheist". I guess if you don't believe the same exact way they do then you might as well not believe at all and you are doomed to hell. Isn't that sweet?
The don't really understand what the word means, they are just parotting what they hear in church.
If creationism were to make it into the public school curriculum (and stick), they'd fight like cats and dogs over whose specific take on it should be taught.

674 TheSextons  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:16:45am

re: #672 SixDegrees

Any school district that has voted to allow ID to be taught in place of science is a fine example of the establishment of a theocracy in motion.

The difference between this and what the Taliban seek is precisely zero.

I will preface this by stating that I fully support Charles and his efforts to expose the lunatics who are attempting to inject the Bible into science classroom instruction. I applaud the exposure he brings to the intellectually challenged extremists who have an agenda that runs contrary to the founding principles of our country. If the leftist efforts to paint American conservatives as non-thinking and backwards are to be refuted in any meaningful way, Charles' work must be the work of American conservatives.

That being said, hyperbole often times detracts from otherwise sound arguments. Your comparison of fundamentalist Baptists to the Taliban is not apt in any sense except they are both religious and they both seek to replace science with religion. Beyond that, your hyperbole implies that after Baptists succeed in infesting the public school science classrooms with studies of Noah and his Ark, they will next support the overthrow of our representative democracy and put Southern Baptist preachers at the helm of the US who will prohibit women from attending school and will behead Jewish journalists on live video to promote their agenda.

In addition to undermining what I think is a noble cause undertaken by Charles, the intellectual dishonesty in comparing: (1) a group of ignorant Christians who would like to have creationism replace science; to (2) a group of Islamic fundamentalists who have hijacked governments, promoted the arranged marriages of preteen girls to adult men, created a system of law to sanction rape and to put women on equal footing with personal property - like a plow or a rug, is not going to contribute to the solidification of a reasoned, conservative movement grounded in logic and committed to the perpetuation of Western Civilization.

Certainly the conservative movement is indebted to Charles Johnson and his creation of this website that has armed me with so much information and truth over the years.

But I would hope that instead of starting a civil war among those who rightly stand against Islamic fascism and for the freedoms enshrined in Our Constitution, this site can be a part of a revival of sorts that unifies a great majority of thinking Americans and provides a banner under which we can all congregate. The spark for that revival, I believe, starts with the identification of a unifying platform that can redefine American conservatism and take us out of the darkness that both moderate liberal fiscally reckless Republicans and rightwing fundamentalists have ushered in. And the first plank in that platform should be an unyielding commitment to the Rule of Law.

This is something that all conservatives should be able and willing to commit to without hesitation. And it can be used to segregate the fascist elements of Christian fundamentalism that seek to diminish the wall of separation of church and state created by the First Amendment, and toss them where they belong: into the wastebasket of fringe elements that have no real power, as loud as they may bleat.

When you marry the Baptist Church to the Taliban, you automatically exclude many thinking, rational, non-creationist Baptists in your efforts to bring reason back into the conservative dialogue.

I have seen the cycle created by your hyperbole play out many times here.

Lizard Christian is miffed by someone comparing their church to Islamic fundamentalists. They make an often-times inarticulate defense of their beliefs, and are piled on as puppets of the creationist conspiracy. Exasperated, they resort to ad hominem and they are expelled from Charles' domain. Surely some of these, as Charles has demonstrated, are puppets.

Others seem like decent people who in no way resemble the Taliban.

675 hellosnackbar  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:42:25am

re#674 the sextons,
You are quite right, Christian fudamentalists are not like the Taliban(they do not promulgate the murder of non believers.)
What they do share; is the brain programmed belief ,that dogma trumps
evidence based reason.(I think the last sentence was from an earlier Salamantis post).

676 TheSextons  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:57:09am

re: #675 hellosnackbar

re#674 the sextons,
You are quite right, Christian fudamentalists are not like the Taliban(they do not promulgate the murder of non believers.)
What they do share; is the brain programmed belief ,that dogma trumps
evidence based reason.(I think the last sentence was from an earlier Salamantis post).

I agree with that. I'm just suggesting that drawing comparisons between the intellectually weak who seek Biblical instruction in science classroom and fanatical Islamic fundamentalists who seek the destruction of Western Civilization, may do more harm than good.

Yes, rooting out extremists that have imbedded themsleves in the American conservative movement is a good endeavor. Using polarizing comparisons that ring true on a very limited basis seems to harden Christians against an otherwise good movement and further divide what I believe is a conservative majority in this country, leaving the collectivist and Islamic-extremist-appeasing left in control of our government.

If we who stand in opposition to any stripe of fascism stand on the Rule of Law, and do not use divisive hyperbole in our efforts, I think we can generate a movement that will bring American conservatism onto a moderate foundation that is appealing to Atheist, Agnostic and Religious alike. Because, in the end, the Rule of Law (or in the US's case, fidelity to the Constitution), which promotes the maintenance of a wall separating church and state (and vice versa), protects science, progress and the freedom of people to practice their religion, snake-handling loonies or otherwise.

677 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:39:16am
678 Captain Faris  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:41:16am

This may be a technicality, but the Bible references in this article don't seem to imply that anyone will Burn in Hell for believing in Evolution. However, I'll just say that public discourse seems to have evolved so that even relatively mild statements are interpreted as lunatic ravings. I personally don't think that Darwinists who resist religious domination of political parties are that bad. Some of my best friends are...

679 TheSextons  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:54:25am

re: #672 SixDegrees

Any school district that has voted to allow ID to be taught in place of science is a fine example of the establishment of a theocracy in motion.

The difference between this and what the Taliban seek is precisely zero.

By the way, you have failed to provide any evidence of "a theocracy in motion." What I've seen here in the past few months is evidence of religious fundamentalists on school boards attempting to get intelligent design implemented in public school science instruction, and the supporting networks of those fundamentalists who run their own "creation science" agendas pushing for acceptance of either creationism or ID in the public schools. That is not a theocracy. It's likely unconstitutional.

But until you can demonstrate facts showing that the First Amendment's protection from a theocracy are being dismantled through legislative, executive and/or judicial actions, your initial comments remain unsupported hyperbole.

680 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:36:11pm

re: #678 Captain Faris

This may be a technicality, but the Bible references in this article don't seem to imply that anyone will Burn in Hell for believing in Evolution. However, I'll just say that public discourse seems to have evolved so that even relatively mild statements are interpreted as lunatic ravings. I personally don't think that Darwinists who resist religious domination of political parties are that bad. Some of my best friends are...

Obviously, the bible quotes themselves don't mention evolution or intelligent design! Walker assumed Charles non belief in intelligent design was due to his supposed atheism and then referred him to these passages:

John 3:19:

Eternal punishment comes in exactly the same way. None are in hell except those who choose to be. “The judgment is this — the light came into the world, but men loved the darkness instead of the light” .

Romans 1:18 -

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness

And then said 'drive carefully'. Pretty obvious to all (except perhaps a complete imbecile) that Walker was using the bible to threaten Charles with hell for not believing in intelligent design.

681 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:44:40pm

re: #671 Charles

By the way, everything "Miles" is saying here, he said in previous threads, and was answered there, by numerous commenters including me. He's just coming back again and parroting the exact same points -- he's not really interested in anyone's answers.

What I'm not interested in is the knee-jerk responses to my questions. And thanks for answering them in such a civil way, fellas.

682 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:07:46pm

re: #681 Miles

What I'm not interested in is the knee-jerk responses to my questions. And thanks for answering them in such a civil way, fellas.

Get down off your little home made crucifix, Miles. You made a snarky post in which you asked questions that you knew the answers to because they have already been answered for you before, simply because you knew it would get a negative reaction. Then you follow it up with comments like "You're an idiot." And then you whine about your 'mistreatment'. Cry us all a river why don't you.

683 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:21:38pm

re: #682 Jimmah

Get down off your little home made crucifix, Miles. You made a snarky post in which you asked questions that you knew the answers to because they have already been answered for you before, simply because you knew it would get a negative reaction. Then you follow it up with comments like "You're an idiot." And then you whine about your 'mistreatment'. Cry us all a river why don't you.

You're right and I'm sorry.

In related news, I just saw a link to a clinical study done at a prestigious university that sites Atheists and Liberals have a higher IQ than Christians and Conservatives.

Proof's in the pudding.

684 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:21:43pm

re: #680 Jimmah

And then said 'drive carefully'. Pretty obvious to all (except perhaps a complete imbecile) that Walker was using the bible to threaten Charles with hell for not believing in intelligent design.

'Captain Faris' is a creationist, so naturally he's going to try to make excuses for the email.

685 Miles  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:22:40pm

*cites* ...see what I mean?!?

686 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:31:02pm

re: #682 Jimmah

Get down off your little home made crucifix, Miles. You made a snarky post in which you asked questions that you knew the answers to because they have already been answered for you before, simply because you knew it would get a negative reaction. Then you follow it up with comments like "You're an idiot." And then you whine about your 'mistreatment'. Cry us all a river why don't you.

It's called trolling for martyr points. But first you have to piss people off at you, so you can get to cry 'intolerance' and 'persecution.'

And the only way to do that is by being an ass.

687 Captain Faris  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:00:54pm

Charles,

Technically I think I'd have to say I'm a "Creator-ist" and not a Creationist, since that second word is linked inextricably to people who wish to insist on a specific interpretation of how the Creator did the work. I am opposed to the introduction of ID or other agendas into state-sponsored science curriculums and I am opposed to dogma trumping science.

And, I mostly agree with you.

I was not so much defending the email as saying that some of us can discuss the same topics without such vituperous language. I am not saying that you, Charles, are doing that; but others are just plain emotional and irrational on both sides.

I personally would not try (as the email in question did) to discuss eternity and religion in conjunction with some minor faith detail like how long ago the Universe began and how. That's just silly and the email was not a good reflection of the attitude that I think humans should have towards each other.

So, Charles, keep holding "our" feet to the flames about our silly implied threats.

By the way, we need to keep up threads dealing with the Islamic "demographic" threat. That area is almost totally rage-driven. Calmer discourse might help us engage in the Islamic Civil War (as I call it) in some productive way. Your posts are helping that effort. Keep up the good work. I only bring this up because anger management courses might help on both sides of both debates. (g)

Phil


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Day After Neo-Nazi Is Convicted of Murder, Associates of a Violent Skinhead Group Charged With Hate Crimes Travis David Condor, a member of the band Birthrite and head of hate-music record label American Defense Records, was among nine people arrested at a bar in Lynwood, Washington, early Saturday morning. The Snohomish County Sheriff's Office said in ...
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Embattled Washington Rep. Matt Shea Is Skirting State Law to Funnel Campaign Funds to Far-Right Groups Shea uses his office and campaign funds to spearhead a partitionist effort to split Washington into two states, and may have violated state laws by using surplus campaign funds to make at least $5,500 in contributions to far-right nonprofit ...
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The Outer Worlds - Official Announcement Trailer Watch the official announcement trailer for The Outer Worlds, a new single-player first-person sci-fi RPG from Obsidian Entertainment and Private Division. In The Outer Worlds, you awake from hibernation on a colonist ship that was lost in transit to ...
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The Umbrella Academy When it rains, it pours. Here's your first look at The Umbrella Academy. Coming to Netflix February 15. A dysfunctional family of superheroes comes together to solve the mystery of their father's death, the threat of the apocalypse and ...
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Elvis Costello & the Imposters - Suspect My Tears The new deluxe album ‘Look Now’ out now, order here: elviscostello.lnk.to Explore more music from Elvis Costello: lnk.to Follow Elvis Costello:Facebook: facebook.comInstagram: instagram.comTwitter: twitter.comWebsite: elviscostello.com Director & Original Story - MustashrikExecutive Production - Whitney JacksonProduced by Partizan VFX Supervisor ...
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VULFPECK /// Half of the Way (Feat. Theo Katzman) VULFPECK /// Half of the Waybuy on bandcamp → vuuulf.com Theo Katzman — vocalsLarry Goldings — piano, composerRyan Lerman — guitar, composer, engineerJoey Dosik — saxWoody Goss — tambourineJack Stratton — drums, mixingJoe Dart — fender bassCory Wong — ...
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Storyhill - Blazing Out of Sight (Live at Radio Heartland)Storyhill perform "Blazing Out of Sight," from their 2007 self-titled album as well from the 2018 compilation, "Stages," live at Radio Heartland.
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How Smooth Jazz Took Over the ’90s You should give smooth jazz a chance. Subscribe to our channel! goo.gl Smooth jazz has gotten a bad rap for decades. It’s often associated with background music for elevators or the soundtrack at the dentist office. Smooth jazz is ...
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