Huffington Post’s War on Medical Science

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Here’s an excellent post by David Gorski at Science-Based Medicine, taking an in-depth look at The Huffington Post’s War on Medical Science.

And the picture is not pretty.

But I’d also point out that in addition to the anti-science quackery that runs rampant at HuffPo, there’s been a long-running strain of extreme leftism, outright hate speech, and antisemitism — and it’s very obviously tolerated by the administrators, who rarely do anything to clean up the hateful comments. It’s a common occurrence, when a GOP politician is in medical trouble, for hundreds of vile comments to appear at HuffPo wishing horrible, painful deaths upon them. So common, in fact, that the administrators have learned to simply shut off comments on any thread involving these subjects, to avoid bad publicity.

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363 comments
1 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:09:48am

Nothing new at the HuffPo, just more moonbattery.

2 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:10:42am

And yet, the Huffington Post is welcome at presidential press gatherings, and Obama has called on them. What does that say about the Democrat Party that they accept this blog as legitimate?

3 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:11:21am

So why is it people who scream loudest about "universal healthcare" seem hell bent on returning us to using leaches and quackery?

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:12:03am

Just think, Arianna Huffington ran as a REPUBLICAN. Specter was just a replay.

5 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:13:01am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So why is it people who scream loudest about "universal healthcare" seem hell bent on returning us to using leaches and quackery?

Lots of money to be made in leeches and quackery.

6 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:15:13am

What kind of a site is Reddit? I'm getting a bunch of blog hits from here.

7 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:15:18am

I was recently offered an (unpaid) position as a blogger on Huffington Post.

I turned it down. It is a crazy hate site. It would degrade my soul to post there.

Of course, I couldn't reveal why. I came up with some cockamamie excuse.

8 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:15:38am

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just think, Arianna Huffington ran as a REPUBLICAN. Specter was just a replay.

And I also recall her cheerfully blathering away as a biblical literalist on the old "Politically Incorrect" show. (To wit: It's perfectly okay for humans to kill, eat, etc. animals, because "God made Adam and Eve first, then the animals"... so she wasn't even a particularly good biblical literalist.)

9 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #7 zombie

I was recently offered an (unpaid) position as a blogger on Huffington Post.

I turned it down. It is a crazy hate site. It would degrade my soul to post there.

Of course, I couldn't reveal why. I came up with some cockamamie excuse.

"Crazy hate site" works for me.

10 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #6 Alouette

What kind of a site is Reddit? I'm getting a bunch of blog hits from here.

It's kinda like Digg. A big user-generated list of interested blog posts.

11 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:17:01am

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lots of money to be made in leeches and quackery.

/are we talking health care or bail outs?

12 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:17:21am

re: #11 brookly red

/are we talking health care or bail outs?

Yes.

13 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:18:01am

The new medicine will be the old medicine.

Walk it off, son, walk it off.

14 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:18:27am

Most excellent article. Gorski slices and dices the Huffington Post's anti-medical science bent managing to make them look like fools in multiple ways.

15 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:19:03am

This is pathetic and disgusting.

Spiritually, we are becoming a 3rd world nation; we've got faith-healing touted as a substitute for sound medical science, whose practitioners are viewed as a cross between witches and poisoners; we've got a charismatic Great Leader; we've got nationalized industries; a falling national economy; and the spread of irrational and anti-scientific thinking at all level of the society.

WTF?

16 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:20:05am

I should clarify, this blogging position wasn't for my "zombie" persona. It was for a real-world job thing. The theme of my HuffPo blog wasn't to have been about politics directly.

A bunch of people were unhappy with me for turning it down. I was supposed to do it to help the "platform" of the organization I'm working with. (Trying not to reveal too many specifics here.)

17 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:20:19am

re: #2 vxbush

And yet, the Huffington Post is welcome at presidential press gatherings, and Obama has called on them. What does that say about the Democrat Party that they accept this blog as legitimate?

It tells me that they are as serious about science as Bobby Jindal.

18 ConservatismNow!  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #7 zombie

I would have went with "I'm sorry I can't blog on your Huffy Site. My pool's on fire right now."

19 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:20:47am

UN to press Israel for early resolution on Ghajar withdrawal

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

UN to pressure Israel
US to pressure Israel
Spain to indict Israelis
Eu to pressure Israel

Gee things are sure looking up for Israel since Jan 20th ha?

20 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:20:48am

Now you're just confusing people, Charles. I thought you only exposed idiocy in the GOP now, not on liberal blogs.

Could we get a thread on Fascists and Ear Candling?

21 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:21:54am

If the folks at the HuffPost are afraid of Jews, right-wingers, guns and vaccines, I suggest they take a homeopathic preparation of Argentum nitricum (silver nitrate).

It treats fear, anticipation, apprehension, nervous excitement and exam nerves.

22 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:22:06am

re: #16 zombie

Hey, I think you did good by turning it down. HuffPo seems to be a Succubus.

23 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:22:49am

re: #18 ConservatismNow!

I would have went with "I'm sorry I can't blog on your Huffy Site. My pool's on fire right now."

I think to blog at Huffpo it is your pants that need to be on fire.....
/

24 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:23:02am

Imus is anti-vac?

25 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:23:40am

re: #24 MandyManners

Imus is anti-vac?

Yeah, I think he got that from his wife, who always struck me as kind of flaky.

26 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:23:53am

re: #24 MandyManners

Imus is anti-vac?

Apparently so. I've never listened to the man. Never saw any good reson to.

27 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:24:02am

re: #20 Kenneth

Now you're just confusing people, Charles. I thought you only exposed idiocy in the GOP now, not on liberal blogs.

Could we get a thread on Fascists and Ear Candling?

I actually had to yahoo! that. Wow, leeches and opening one's veins to let out the bad blood is science in comparison.

28 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:24:45am

re: #24 MandyManners

Imus is anti-vac?

I'm anti-vac. Brooms Rule. Vacuums suck.
/

29 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:24:53am

re: #21 HelloDare

If the folks at the HuffPost are afraid of Jews, right-wingers, guns and vaccines, I suggest they take a homeopathic preparation of Argentum nitricum (silver nitrate).

It treats fear, anticipation, apprehension, nervous excitement and exam nerves.

Sounds like whiskey.

30 Liberal Classic  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:25:08am

What Most Doctors Won't Tell You About Preparing for the Swine Flu

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Cliffs:

- vitamins
- yoga
- toe-pinching

31 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #20 Kenneth

Now you're just confusing people, Charles. I thought you only exposed idiocy in the GOP now, not on liberal blogs.

Could we get a thread on Fascists and Ear Candling?

Hi, Kenneth!
How are things?

32 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #25 Guanxi88

Yeah, I think he got that from his wife, who always struck me as kind of flaky.

She leads him around by his di......

33 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #21 HelloDare

If the folks at the HuffPost are afraid of Jews, right-wingers, guns and vaccines, I suggest they take a homeopathic preparation of Argentum nitricum (silver nitrate).

It treats fear, anticipation, apprehension, nervous excitement and exam nerves.

They could also revive the practice of eating arsenic.

34 Liberal Classic  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:26:53am

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

I actually had to yahoo! that. Wow, leeches and opening one's veins to let out the bad blood is science in comparison.

Even leeches have FDA approval.

Source: [Link: www.fda.gov...]

35 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:26:56am

re: #30 Liberal Classic

What Most Doctors Won't Tell You About Preparing for the Swine Flu

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Cliffs:

- vitamins
- yoga
- toe-pinching

Actually, she's right about one thing - avoid hospitals.

36 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #30 Liberal Classic

What Most Doctors Won't Tell You About Preparing for the Swine Flu

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Cliffs:

- vitamins
- yoga
- toe-pinching

Somehow I think leprechauns are involved.

37 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:27:38am

This crazy shit is spreading all over the place.

38 Gella  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:28:02am

puffington post as insane as always

39 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #20 Kenneth


Could we get a thread on Fascists and Ear Candling?

How about Gua Sha, for really out-there crap?

I work with a whole bunch of TCM practitioners, and even THEY say it's bunk, on a par with cupping.

40 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:28:46am

#1 HuffPost Medical Cure: cloth that has touched Barack Obama.

41 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #25 Guanxi88

Yeah, I think he got that from his wife, who always struck me as kind of really, really, flaky.

42 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:29:39am

re: #37 MandyManners

This crazy shit is spreading all over the place.

If it spreads too far (as I hope it has not already), some folks are going to get really sick and even die as a result of this crappola. I seriously do not want to see measles, mumps, smallpox, etc back as major epidemics.

43 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:29:44am

re: #39 Guanxi88

How about Gua Sha, for really out-there crap?

I work with a whole bunch of TCM practitioners, and even THEY say it's bunk, on a par with cupping.

Gah......

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:29:44am

re: #39 Guanxi88

How about Gua Sha, for really out-there crap?

I work with a whole bunch of TCM practitioners, and even THEY say it's bunk, on a par with cupping.

Turner Classic Movies? ;)

45 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #33 FurryOldGuyJeans

They could also revive the practice of eating arsenic.

Supposed to be good for the hair, curing bad marriages, and for resolving disputed wills.

46 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:30:30am

Also, Huffington is contributing significantly to the collapse of the newspaper industry.

Here's how:

HuffPo is the most popular blog in the world. It gets millions of visitors. But all of its content is generated by outside "contributors" -- and the key is NO CONTRIBUTOR GETS PAID. People write for Huffington simply to get their message out or to get famous or to promote themselves or some product is semi-advertorial postings.

Newspaper have to pay their reporters. And they have to pay to print physical copies of the paper. And pay rent on a big newsroom. And grapple with unions. Etc.

Huffington has none of those costs. Small rent on a small central editorial office. No salaries for reporters or writers. Small hosting costs. No printing costs. And no unions.

As a result, Huffington reaches more people than newspapers at 1% of the cost. Newspapers simply can't compete. And the publishers are looking more and more at the Huffington model and wondering: Why do we have to pay our employees, while Huffington doesn't? So news organizations are trying more and more to turn to reader-contributions to fill their content for free. But the end result, reporters are getting laid off by the thousands.

Of course, there are many other contributing factors to the declaine of newspapers, but HuffPo plays a big role.

47 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:30:40am

re: #44 FurryOldGuyJeans

Turner Classic Movies? ;)

Traditional Chinese Medicine.

48 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:30:46am

re: #25 Guanxi88

Yeah, I think he got that from his wife, who always struck me as kind of flaky.

I take great comfort in knowing the kooks consider me crazy.

49 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:31:04am

re: #40 HelloDare

#1 HuffPost Medical Cure: cloth that has touched Barack Obama.

Link please.

50 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #27 FurryOldGuyJeans

My moonbat SIL went for ear candling. I don't know what it did for her ears, but it seems to have sucked her brains out.

51 JustABill  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:31:34am

I read at some point that there was a fairly widespread belief in parts of Africa that sex with a virgin would cure one of AIDS. The result of this belief was both tragic and predictable.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like were too far away from that point...

52 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:31:34am

re: #43 vxbush

Gah......

Gua Sha - it's just about as awful as can be imagined. Think of a Dutch Rub or an "indian burn" done with a piece of horn or jade.

Then pretend it's good for you.

53 Devil's Advocate  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:31:38am

I know comedians say they cannot make fun of the Obama administration. But, our tax cheating treasury secretary wants to stop tax cheats.

54 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:32:05am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

It's a joke, Walter.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:32:11am

re: #50 Kenneth

My moonbat SIL went for ear candling. I don't know what it did for her ears, but it seems to have sucked her brains out.

Sounds like there were none to begin with.

56 kynna  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:32:11am

HuffPo is really seen as a legit source of news and commentary by the leftists out here in Cali. I know some people who blog there in the entertainment industry. Oh, how disappointing to find out how stupid these folks really are.

57 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:32:32am

re: #46 zombie


HuffPo is the most popular blog in the world.

Why the HE! is that the case?!?!?

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:32:52am

I don't go to HuffPo.

59 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #31 reine.de.tout

Things are fine, thanks. Good to see you.

60 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:33:12am

re: #54 Honorary Yooper

It's a joke, Walter.

Shit, I wanted one.

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:33:40am

re: #53 Devil's Advocate

I hope that I am not being hypocritical when I say I hope he succeeds.

62 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:33:59am

Many in society have become complacent regarding the diseases that vaccinations helped control: measles, polio, small pox, typhoid, etc. Given this the ignorant anti-vaccination cultists do not see the medical benefits that vaccinations have provided for the public. They presume that vaccinations are not required because they "don't see" the diseases that were very much prevalent prior to the wide spread use of vaccinations.

It's ironic that the woman at the helm of the Huffington Post, Ariana Huffington, received a Masters in Economics from Cambridge University. However, a luxurious education is never a guarantee that someone will have any common sense. She might not be writing these aberrations of pseudo-medical-science but she should at the very least prevent the presence of such junk.

63 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:34:08am

re: #57 vxbush

Why the HE! is that the case?!?!?

'Cause the moonbats love it.

64 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:34:20am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Shit, I wanted one.

You could always ask avanti for one. ;)

65 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:34:53am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't go to HuffPo.

Friends don't let friends read HuffPo.
Be a friend.

/This public service announcement brought to you by lizardoids from a deep nitrogen-filled chamber under Denver International Airport.

66 Cygnus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:34:54am

re: #43 vxbush

Gah......

How about this for curing what ails you. Ewwww.

67 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:34:57am

re: #54 Honorary Yooper

It's a joke, Walter.

First the Bacon-lube, now this. Bastards.

/

68 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:35:31am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't go to HuffPo.

I would rather go cesspool diving filled up by people with cholera.

69 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:36:03am

The Huffington Poo.

70 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #63 zombie

'Cause the moonbats love it.

I'm sorry, I guess I operated under the delusion that there were more sane people than moonbats.

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:36:44am

Bubble headed fat chick goes anti-vax.......
Proof that Oprah Winfrey is utterly beyond redemption...

Jenny McCarthy has inked a deal with Winfrey's Harpo Studios to develop a syndicated talk show and other media projects, including a blog, which has already started dishing out the stupid, albeit (thus far) not about vaccines and autism. Apparently sensing that her advocacy of the New Age woo known as The Secret was not enough, Oprah appears to have decided that anti-vaccine quackery sells, and she doesn't care whom it kills as long as she can make some money at it. Given that Oprah is now giving a major platform to Jenny McCarthy to spread her quackery, I now say that, along with Jenny McCarthy, Oprah should get some of the blame when the inevitable outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases increase beyond where they already are, thanks to McCarthy's "efforts." After all, she is now supporting the pro-disease movement.

Remind me again: Why does anyone respect or admire Oprah?

72 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:36:50am

re: #69 HelloDare

The Huffington Poo.

All the shit that's fit to stick.

73 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:36:52am

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would rather go cesspool diving filled up by people with cholera.

Make sure to get a cholera vaccination first. //

74 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:37:22am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Link please.

*grin*
visualize a "/sarc" and don't spoil the beauty of it.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:38:13am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

First the Bacon-lube, now this. Bastards.

/

Bacon Strip Bandages, the perfect medicine for wounded Jihadis.

76 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:38:31am

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would rather go cesspool diving filled up by people with cholera.

There's a homeopathic remedy for that. Camphor.

77 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:38:39am

re: #69 HelloDare

The Huffington Poo.

Which reminds me, I had both my daughter's convinced they had been washing their hair with poo from the magical animal, the Sham, which as we all know is a goat with a turtle shell, hence the name Sham-poo.

It worked fine till they asked Mom about it.

78 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:38:49am

re: #70 vxbush

I'm sorry, I guess I operated under the delusion that there were more sane people than moonbats.

Problem is, though, that the nuts don't outnumber the sane; it's just that madness is contagious, whereas sanity is not.

Like cows with aftosa or rinderpest; you let a few into the herd, and before you know it, they're all infected.

79 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:38:53am

re: #73 Gus 802

Make sure to get a cholera vaccination first. //

Diving into the HuffPo would require a pre-frontal lobotomy.

80 Wendya  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:39:27am

re: #2 vxbush

And yet, the Huffington Post is welcome at presidential press gatherings, and Obama has called on them. What does that say about the Democrat Party that they accept this blog as legitimate?

What does it say about the President that he reads Andrew Sullivan and then repeats his moonbattery in public speeches?

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:39:45am

re: #72 Honorary Yooper

All the shit that's fit to stick.

Including a lot that you won't find in the "paper".

82 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:40:15am

re: #46 zombie

Interesting, it is obvious the task is not just in reforming, or closing down the Papers but in gaining readership on the new news front.

Good to have LGF to hold the online press to account.

83 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:40:29am

re: #79 FurryOldGuyJeans

Diving into the HuffPo would require a pre-frontal lobotomy.

or a bottle in front of me

/rimshot

84 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:40:51am

Ramping up the woo a bit more into Deepak Chopra territory is Srinivasan Pillay, “certified master coach, psychiatrist, brain imaging researcher and speaker,” whatever that means (other than psychiatrist). As Peter Lipson has pointed out, his “brain imaging” publications in PubMed are pretty darned sparse, mostly functional MRI studies, which are very difficult to do correctly in order to obtain any correlations or useful data. If his HuffPo presence is any indication, I hate to think what he’s doing with that fMRI machine. His first major “contribution” was an article entitled The Science of Distant Healing, in which he purports to present the “scientific evidence” for distant healing. Distant healing, for those who may not be aware, is the magical belief that just by sending one’s “intent” or wishes to a distant person one can actually heal that person or send one’s “intent” to him or her. I say “magical” belief because there really isn’t any other word to describe it. There’s no scientific or physical mechanism by which it can occur, at least none that scientists have yet been able to find. His followup post, with Pillay seemingly irked at all the criticism he received for his distant healing article, was aptly entitled Why Rational Thinking Is Not All It’s Cracked Up to Be. In it, he concludes that, because humans are irrational, science can never be rational, never realizing that the scientific method itself is a system designed to minimize the effects of human cognitive biases and shortcomings on the observation of nature. Steve Novella had some real fun with the nonsense in this post, and I can’t say that I blame him.

SNIP

85 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:41:34am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Bubble headed fat chick goes anti-vax.......
Proof that Oprah Winfrey is utterly beyond redemption...

The dumbing down of America continues. Oprah has typically been the bastion of ignorance, junk science, and fraudulent authors. By extension she also gave us the pseudo-therapist, Dr. Phil, and will now give us the pseudo-health-expert, Jenny McCarthy.

86 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:41:45am
87 Big Steve  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #46 zombie

Agreed....but one has to admire the business model. Get a bunch of people to write for free.

Zombie have you considered starting your own Huff Po equivalent? You would be great at it.

88 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:43:04am

The Zombie Post?

89 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:43:11am

Europeans: U.S. Should Give Up Control of Internet

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

essentially be handing over Internet control not to the free market, but to the same creaky collection of international bureaucrats who control the EU and the U.N. —

Oh yeah, that would be a great idea?

90 lawhawk  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:43:43am

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

Apparently so. I've never listened to the man. Never saw any good reson to.

Deidre Imus is pushing the anti-vaccine thing. She's big into the natural products as best, even though she and Don have been busy helping kids with cancer and donated millions to Hackensack University Med Center for a peds unit. They've also created an environmental unit to look for links between environmental factors and pediatric cancers.

Her position on vaccines is a dubious one at best, and can prove to be harmful. She believes that we're over medicated and over-vaccinated, all while ignoring the benefits of the vaccines and that science has not proven any links between vaccines and autism spectrum disorders, nor has there been links between thimerosol and autism especially since thimerosol was removed from vaccines years ago (and the rate of autism diagnoses remained unchanged or increased - which could be a factor of changed definitional terms, increased awareness, or the fact that those kids diagnosed with autism are in line for additional assistance).

91 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:44:00am

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Europeans: U.S. Should Give Up Control of Internet

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

essentially be handing over Internet control not to the free market, but to the same creaky collection of international bureaucrats who control the EU and the U.N. —

Oh yeah, that would be a great idea?

and O will go for it too...

92 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:44:32am

And speaking of woo woo:

Diners report seeing Virgin Mary on food griddle

CALEXICO, Calif. – The hottest thing on the griddle at the Las Palmas restaurant these days isn't the food _ it's the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe that a cook says she saw on the griddle.

Restaurant manager Brenda Martinez says more than 100 people have flocked to the small town of Calexico on the California-Mexico border to gaze at the likeness of the Virgin Mary since it was discovered as the griddle was being cleaned.

Among the awe-struck was a group of masked Mexican wrestlers who arrived Thursday for an exhibition at a nearby swap meet.

One, known as Mr. Tempest, says: "This is amazing. It's a true miracle."

Since the discovery, the griddle has been taken out of service and placed in a shrine in a storage room.

Is this the beginning of the Grease Orthodox church?

93 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:44:38am

re: #84 MandyManners

On the other hand, Distant Healing™ is a great racket for a quack doctor with an internet website offering alternative medical services... $$$$$$$$$$

94 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:44:54am

re: #84 MandyManners

In the TCM world a few years ago, there were folks pushing this kinda crap; there was even a school here in Austin purporting to teach "Medical Qigong," the distance-healing nonsense.

I worked long and hard with a group of properly educated TCM practitioners here to get that crap shut down double quick, as it was a threat to public health, exposed the people of the state to fraud, and brought shame and disrepute to TCM.

What sealed the deal was presenting evidence that the practice of this nonsense is a crime in China, both PRC and ROC, and that there are hefty sentences there for it. You wanna know why they were teaching it here and not in China? Escape prosecution, that's why. You'd see all sorts of dope-smoking, crystal-clutching hippies signed up the courses; never a Chinese or a TCM practitioner.

95 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:45:18am
96 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:45:36am

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Europeans: U.S. Should Give Up Control of Internet

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

essentially be handing over Internet control not to the free market, but to the same creaky collection of international bureaucrats who control the EU and the U.N. —

Oh yeah, that would be a great idea?

And in his continuing quest to belittle America and knock her down a couple of pegs, Obama heartily agrees.

/maybemaybe not

97 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:45:54am

Let's encourage the anti-vax crowd to put their theories where their butts are. Anyone who recommends we stop vaccinating for a particular disease will be exposed to the pathogen at a random time. They have the choice of immunization or any other new age or homeopathic treatment of their choice.

I suspect the number of Hollyweird "I only play a medical professional on TV" types accepting the vaccenes would outstrip the number that have private security guards handle their scary guns for them.

98 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:45:58am

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Europeans: U.S. Should Give Up Control of Internet

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

essentially be handing over Internet control not to the free market, but to the same creaky collection of international bureaucrats who control the EU and the U.N. —

Oh yeah, that would be a great idea?

The way Obama and Congress are going even if we retain control there will be no free market principles and practice even within 2000 parsecs.

99 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Bubble headed fat chick goes anti-vax.......
Proof that Oprah Winfrey is utterly beyond redemption...

Can't the government do something to stop this nonsense? Is the promotion of anti-vac. a threat to the public's health to the extent that the protections of the First Amendment *must* be breached?

100 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:46:08am

My personal view is that Huff Po made a good move in making their name and layout look like a MSM newpaper/site.

Whereas a lot of blogs favor quirky names which I believe restrains their message from reaching a wider audience.

101 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:46:29am

re: #91 brookly red

and O will go for it too...

Rats, too slow on the Post trigger ;}

102 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:46:34am

re: #88 Bagua

The Zombie Post?


Braaaaains for Bloggers.

103 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #93 Kenneth

On the other hand, Distant Healing™ is a great racket for a quack doctor with an internet website offering alternative medical services... $$$$$$$$$$

He makes MONEY off of this nonsense?

104 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:47:06am

re: #103 MandyManners

He makes MONEY off of this nonsense?

Why else promote it?

105 lawhawk  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #92 Occasional Reader

The one photo I saw of this didn't show the Virgin Mary, but rather two guys dressed up as Nacho Libre staring at the griddle.

It must be a miracle then - after all, they were turned into strapping wrestlers after looking like this.

106 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

It ain't over until the intermittently fat lady sings.

Until then it keeps piling on. I think it's expanding at an exponential rate on all fronts.

107 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #85 Gus 802

The dumbing down of America continues. Oprah has typically been the bastion of ignorance, junk science, and fraudulent authors. By extension she also gave us the pseudo-therapist, Dr. Phil, and will now give us the pseudo-health-expert, Jenny McCarthy.

Oprah really has done quite a job at distortion. As far as needing credentials, where did Al Gore get his scientific background that would qualify him to predict worldwide doom?

108 lawhawk  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:47:55am

re: #107 opnion

The Internet, of course.

109 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #94 Guanxi88

In the TCM world a few years ago, there were folks pushing this kinda crap; there was even a school here in Austin purporting to teach "Medical Qigong," the distance-healing nonsense.

I worked long and hard with a group of properly educated TCM practitioners here to get that crap shut down double quick, as it was a threat to public health, exposed the people of the state to fraud, and brought shame and disrepute to TCM.

What sealed the deal was presenting evidence that the practice of this nonsense is a crime in China, both PRC and ROC, and that there are hefty sentences there for it. You wanna know why they were teaching it here and not in China? Escape prosecution, that's why. You'd see all sorts of dope-smoking, crystal-clutching hippies signed up the courses; never a Chinese or a TCM practitioner.

I'm normally against many things the Commies are for but, this is dangerous stuff. How many people will be killed?

110 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #105 lawhawk

Naturally, there's a "St. Pancake" joke in here somewhere.

111 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #103 MandyManners

He makes MONEY off of this nonsense?

Fools and money are like oil and water, they don't like to mix without extreme measures and will separate at a moment's notice.

112 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:48:11am

re: #21 HelloDare

If the folks at the HuffPost are afraid of Jews, right-wingers, guns and vaccines, I suggest they take a homeopathic preparation of Argentum nitricum (silver nitrate).

It treats fear, anticipation, apprehension, nervous excitement and exam nerves.

LOL and it can turn your skin a lovely shade of blue! Or is that colloidal silver?

113 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #93 Kenneth

On the other hand, Distant Healing™ is a great racket for a quack doctor with an internet website offering alternative medical services... $$$$$$$$$$

/I have found that distance works best as preventative medicine.

114 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:48:47am

I am deeply disturbed. bbiab

115 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #102 DaddyG

Braaaaains for Bloggers.

The Zombie Times?

We are living in a brain-dead era, all things considered.

116 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:49:52am

This is fun..being off on a Monday watching Mike and Mike on ESPN..

117 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #114 MandyManners

I am deeply disturbed. bbiab

One thing that's disturbing me is my reaction in No. 99. To me, the First Amendment is sacrosanct.

However, shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre is illegal.

118 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #87 Big Steve

Agreed....but one has to admire the business model. Get a bunch of people to write for free.

Zombie have you considered starting your own Huff Po equivalent? You would be great at it.

re: #88 Bagua

The Zombie Post?

Wayyyyyy to much work for me.

The problem is, 95% of Huffpo content is garbage. I don't want to emulate that. It takes all my time just create decent posts of my own stuff. I don't have time to monitor everyone else's content.

119 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #84 MandyManners

It gets even better.

Srinivasan Pillay is listed as a researcher at Harvard.

120 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:50:17am

re: #113 brookly red

/I have found that distance works best as preventative medicine.

Definitely, keeping as much distance as possible between and quack "healers" is good for my health.

121 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #92 Occasional Reader

And speaking of woo woo:

Diners report seeing Virgin Mary on food griddle


Is this the beginning of the Grease Orthodox church?

/groan

122 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:50:47am
123 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:50:51am

re: #109 MandyManners

I'm normally against many things the Commies are for but, this is dangerous stuff. How many people will be killed?

Total numbers, hard to say. It took me some time to wrap my head around the idea that just because the PRC was breaking heads over this, it didn't mean that the skulls getting cracked weren't wrong, too.

Yeah, Medical Qigong (or "external qi gong") cost a lot of folks in China their health, fortunes, and lives before it was finally shut down.

124 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #117 MandyManners

However, shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre is illegal.

Unless, of course, there's actually a fire.

125 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:51:08am

re: #108 lawhawk

The Internet, of course.

Well ok then, he is qualified!

126 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would rather go cesspool diving filled up by people with cholera.

Hey, there's some real opportunity for you in eastern North Carolina. Although the diseased shit "lagoons" will have "Smithfield Farms" signs by them, and the feces will be porcine rather than human.

127 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #117 MandyManners

One thing that's disturbing me is my reaction in No. 99. To me, the First Amendment is sacrosanct.

However, shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre is illegal.

Freedom of Speech is costly, and too many people don't want to pay the price.

128 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:51:54am

Entropy

129 badger1970  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:52:26am

re: #85 Gus 802

Great the trifecta of quacks, ruined marriages and dead kiddies, thanks harpo /s

130 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:53:42am

re: #118 zombie

I know, and thank you for your valuable work, it is much appreciated.

Seriously though, I hope a sane alternative to the Huff Po can contest the field, as we wish FOX would do properly, it would require a team of authors and much time for the management.

131 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:53:52am

re: #129 badger1970

Great the trifecta of quacks, ruined marriages and dead kiddies, thanks harpo /s

I've long feared that our nation's well-being would be threatened by Marxists, but I never thought it would take this form!

132 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:54:28am

re: #130 Bagua

I know, and thank you for your valuable work, it is much appreciated.

Seriously though, I hope a sane alternative to the Huff Po can contest the field, as we wish FOX would do properly, it would require a team of authors and much time for the management.

Sane would require money, and lots of it. Insane gets by on free.

133 Big Steve  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #118 zombie

Wayyyyyy to much work for me.

The problem is, 95% of Huffpo content is garbage. I don't want to emulate that. It takes all my time just create decent posts of my own stuff. I don't have time to monitor everyone else's content.


You mean you don't have a billionaire spouse that gives you all the money you need to hire staff so you can be a dilettante publisher?

134 ConservatismNow!  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:54:59am

re: #107 opnion

Oh you don't need scientific credentials to predict worldwide doom. You just need a beard, a message, and bat-shit craziness

135 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:56:10am

re: #120 Occasional Reader

Definitely, keeping as much distance as possible between me and quack "healers" is good for my health.


PIMF

136 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:56:28am

re: #118 zombie

Wayyyyyy to much work for me.

The problem is, 95% of Huffpo content is garbage. I don't want to emulate that. It takes all my time just create decent posts of my own stuff. I don't have time to monitor everyone else's content.

Especially if you're not getting paid.

I do hope you're writing, or plan to write, an autobiography or memoirs. You could keep it in a safe deposit box to which Charles has the only other key. Someday when it's safe, you can publish it and we can all marvel at the True Adventures of Zombie and His/Her Multiple Identities.

137 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:56:29am

re: #134 ConservatismNow!

Oh you don't need scientific credentials to predict worldwide doom. You just need a beard, a message, and bat-shit craziness

And having access to the halls of power don't hurt either.

138 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #132 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yes, but the beauty is the start up costs and infrastructure are small, if successful it could possibly become profitable based upon advertising revenue, but I am not knowledgeable about the stats.

139 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:57:22am

21 Years ago my brand new and newly pregnat wife called me at work in a tizzy. She was watching Oprah who had a guest on discussing the risk factors for infidelity. Turns out that as a 20 somthing male, with a new job, a new wife and a newly pregnant wife I was in the "high risk" category for an affair.

When she asked me what we should do to protect our marriage I said, "Stop watching Oprah".

140 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:57:51am

re: #103 MandyManners

Of course. The quacks are always into it for the money.

141 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:58:10am

re: #136 doppelganglander

Good idea, it would make a great book and he owns all his own photo's so no copyright issues. Would be poetic justice to get paid in the end.

142 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:58:56am

I was surprised when someone my wife knows published an article on Kabbalah in the Huffington Post.
I read the article (it is good), but wonder what kind of comments he got.

143 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 11:59:55am

re: #139 DaddyG Good grief! I need to spell check with these new glasses. Pregnat = Pregnant.

144 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:00:37pm

re: #138 Bagua

If you, or any other Lizard, ever needs a pen for hire, just say the word. I can crank out prose by the yard, and am not impeded by ethics, standards, pride, or artistic integrity. ;)

145 ssn697  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:01:25pm

They have been sucking in too many chemtrails over at huffpo.

Everyone knows vaccines kill the Lizard People. It's a conspiracy!

146 midwestgak  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:01:34pm

re: #143 DaddyG

Again, you made me chuckle.

147 debutaunt  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:01:56pm

re: #100 Bagua

My personal view is that Huff Po made a good move in making their name and layout look like a MSM newpaper/site.

Whereas a lot of blogs favor quirky names which I believe restrains their message from reaching a wider audience.

I'll alert the blog media.

148 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:02:32pm

re: #136 doppelganglander

I do hope you're writing, or plan to write, an autobiography or memoirs. You could keep it in a safe deposit box to which Charles has the only other key. Someday when it's safe, you can publish it and we can all marvel at the True Adventures of Zombie and His/Her Multiple Identities.

A lot of publishers have in fact encouraged me to write a memoir -- and they don't even know about my zombie persona! My life is crazy enough without the zombie stuff. One of those "intersect with historical turning points" kind of lives. I'm sure I've got an FBI file as long as my arm.

Of course, if any of those publishers did know about the zombie thing, they'd quickly retract the offer. People with the Wrong Political Orientation are not offered book contracts.

149 revobob  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:03:22pm

re: #143 DaddyG

Good grief! I need to spell check with these new glasses. Pregnat = Pregnant.

I'm guessin most of us knew what you meant...

150 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #146 midwestgak

Again, you made me chuckle.


Glad I can be entertaining. I dread the amount of proofing errors going out in my work while I get used to adjusting my distance from the screen and just which side of the bi-focals to look out of.

I know we have lots of mature lizards with replacement parts or worse, so I shouldn't whine; but MIDDLE AGE CAN REALLY STINK.

151 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:04:21pm

re: #148 zombie

My life is crazy enough without the zombie stuff. One of those "intersect with historical turning points" kind of lives.

Can you give us specific examples?

Also, your full name, address, all your credit card numbers, and those little 3 or 4-digit security codes from the cards?

/

152 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:04:25pm

re: #134 ConservatismNow!

Oh you don't need scientific credentials to predict worldwide doom. You just need a beard, a message, and bat-shit craziness

If I heard the number right, Gore has made about $200,000,000 on his Global Warming crusade.

153 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:04:44pm
154 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:04:58pm

re: #144 Guanxi88

If you, or any other Lizard, ever needs a pen for hire, just say the word. I can crank out prose by the yard, and am not impeded by ethics, standards, pride, or artistic integrity. ;)


I appreciate the sentiment, and not to be a prig, but I believe the best opposition is to have high ethics, standards, pride or artistic integrity. I think this site LGF is committed to exactly those standards which is why other sites are called to task for their mistakes, despite being on-side on other issues.

A similar online newpaper site would need several writers but still require strong editorial oversight.

155 revobob  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:05:12pm

re: #152 opnion

If I heard the number right, Gore has made about $200,000,000 on his Global Warming crusade.


Thank G-D for dedicated public servants!

156 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:05:16pm

Townhall could probably turn into a right version of Huffpo. They have a blog section. I have thought about sending my occassional stuff to them

157 revobob  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:06:22pm

Did I need a "/"?

158 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #142 Kosh's Shadow

I was surprised when someone my wife knows published an article on Kabbalah in the Huffington Post.

Your wife knows Madonna?

159 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:06:27pm

re: #154 Bagua

I appreciate the sentiment, and not to be a prig, but I believe the best opposition is to have high ethics, standards, pride or artistic integrity. I think this site LGF is committed to exactly those standards which is why other sites are called to task for their mistakes, despite being on-side on other issues.

A similar online newpaper site would need several writers but still require strong editorial oversight.

The point I was attempting to convey was that, as a writer, I am strictly from hunger.

160 quickjustice  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:06:56pm

re: #90 lawhawk

The moment I heard Don Imus attack vaccines on his radio show, I reached over and turned off it off. Never again. I don't care how much he's donated to worthy causes. On vaccines, he's inciting negligent homicide of helpless children by their own oblivious parents.

161 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #152 opnion

If I heard the number right, Gore has made about $200,000,000 on his Global Warming crusade.

I would gladly hold back my carbon rich farts for that kind of cash.

Cork and Trade!

162 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:07:33pm

re: #151 Occasional Reader

Can you give us specific examples?

Also, your full name, address, all your credit card numbers, and those little 3 or 4-digit security codes from the cards?

/

Don't forget to get Zombie's zip code. Some merchant services require that with the other numbers and codes.
/

163 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:07:38pm

re: #148 zombie


the Author of Defence of The Realm blog that I often post to Linkviewer has completed a book based upon his blogs research.

164 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:07:43pm
165 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:07:51pm
166 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:07:58pm

re: #34 Liberal Classic

Even leeches have FDA approval.

Source: [Link: www.fda.gov...]

Yes, leeches have proven therapeutic for things like getting reattached earlobes to "take", since they 1) promote blood flow, and, 2) release an anticoagulant, which reduces problems related to clots.

167 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:08:01pm

You know you are a bored American when a documentary on the history of Cricket makes for interesting television.

168 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:08:42pm

re: #158 Kenneth

Madonna is the Kabballer not Kaballah. /

169 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:08:45pm

re: #159 Guanxi88

I know

170 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:08:50pm
171 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:09:04pm

re: #9 Alouette

"Crazy hate site" works for me.

"You people are insane" works for me.

172 midwestgak  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:09:07pm

re: #150 DaddyG

Glad I can be entertaining. I dread the amount of proofing errors going out in my work while I get used to adjusting my distance from the screen and just which side of the bi-focals to look out of.

I know we have lots of mature lizards with replacement parts or worse, so I shouldn't whine; but MIDDLE AGE CAN REALLY STINK.

{You're sweet} :)

173 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #167 FurryOldGuyJeans

You know you are a bored American when a documentary on the history of Cricket makes for interesting television.

Are you still alive?

174 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #158 Kenneth

Your wife knows Madonna?

Forget the sarc tag?
No; this is someone you probably never heard of, and it is more of the real Kabbalah than the kind Madonna gets from the Kabbalah Centre.

175 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:09:46pm

re: #13 SasquatchOnSteroids

The new medicine will be the old medicine.

Walk it off, son, walk it off.

Rub some dirt on it!

176 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:09:47pm
177 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:10:02pm

re: #173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are you still alive?

3 hours and they are going in-depth on some very obscure minutae. :%P%

178 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #169 Bagua

I know

Good. As for editorial oversight, of course it's required. What you want, ideally, is a stable of educated, skilled writers, cranking out works under the constant supervision of a Lizard Overlord, to keep quality up where it needs to be. The writers could (maybe even should) be anonymous.

179 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #156 chicagodudewhotrades

Townhall could probably turn into a right version of Huffpo. They have a blog section. I have thought about sending my occassional stuff to them

Pat Buchanan writes for townhall.

180 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:10:51pm

re: #164 taxfreekiller

Al Gore is being "snow boarded" daily and it shows.

[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]

I tfk may be charged with driving him insane with all the snow reports.

Why do your keep posted links to Arapahoe Basin as some kind of proof for or against global climate change or what ever.

I'm not questioning your opinion on Al Gore, or other climate change concepts, but TFK, this is absolutely normal for this time of year at a lot of ski resorts in Colorado.

It's not proof of anything except we have good late season skiing.

181 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:10:57pm

re: #148 zombie

A lot of publishers have in fact encouraged me to write a memoir -- and they don't even know about my zombie persona! My life is crazy enough without the zombie stuff. One of those "intersect with historical turning points" kind of lives. I'm sure I've got an FBI file as long as my arm.

Of course, if any of those publishers did know about the zombie thing, they'd quickly retract the offer. People with the Wrong Political Orientation are not offered book contracts.

You are such a tease! Even if you write your non-zombie memoirs, you can't tell us.

182 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:11:02pm

Beside anti-vaxing, what other anti-science stuff are they promoting? Just curious.

183 Summersong  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:11:08pm

re: #111 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fools and money are like oil and water, they don't like to mix without extreme measures and will separate at a moment's notice.

On TV last night there was a short piece - asking low income people if they were spending more on playing the lottery or if now they spent less. Everyone they asked say, yes, they were spending more - save for one who was spending about the same.

Spending more on the lottery because they need the win money? Stupidity in action. Very sad.

184 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:11:14pm

re: #173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are you still alive?

Well, he said it was cricket, not curling.

185 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:11:24pm
186 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:11:35pm

ACORN charged with voter registration fraud

Monday, Nevada's Attorney General's Office and Secretary of State's Office filed charges against ACORN for voter registration violations and forging voter registration forms.

ACORN officials both locally and nationally say the charges are a complete surprise; national representatives say they were also unaware of any investigation.

/because, you know ACORN's never been charged with voter fraud before or anything

187 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #177 FurryOldGuyJeans

3 hours and they are going in-depth on some very obscure minutae. :%P%

Thats just as it ought to be!
After all - cricket is a sport where one match runs for four days ... if rain doesn't interrupt play ...

:-))

188 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:12:25pm

re: #179 Alouette

Pat Buchanan writes for townhall.

That's the reason I won't go there.

189 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:12:29pm

Judge Napolitano on fox talking about john edward's campaign money investigation. depending on how charges could be applied , Edwards could be looking at 3 to a possible max 10 years in fed. lockup

190 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:12:36pm

re: #160 quickjustice

The moment I heard Don Imus attack vaccines on his radio show, I reached over and turned off it off. Never again. I don't care how much he's donated to worthy causes. On vaccines, he's inciting negligent homicide of helpless children by their own oblivious parents.

He is also an asshole to almost everyone else unless he needs them

191 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:12:47pm
192 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #184 Kosh's Shadow

Well, he said it was cricket, not curling.

mmm, chicks in parkas.

193 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #182 Ward Cleaver

Beside anti-vaxing, what other anti-science stuff are they promoting? Just curious.

Homeopathy ...
De-tox ...
And some really crazy sh*t by an italian doctor who thinks all cancers are fungi ...

194 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #186 Killian Bundy Great! Now that they have a documented violation of Federal law they are fully vetted to be appointed by Obama to run the census. /

195 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:13:34pm

re: #189 chicagodudewhotrades

Judge Napolitano on fox talking about john edward's campaign money investigation. depending on how charges could be applied , Edwards could be looking at 3 to a possible max 10 years in fed. lockup

Well I bet he would popular there.

196 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:13:42pm

re: #186 Killian Bundy

ACORN charged with voter registration fraud

/because, you know ACORN's never been charged with voter fraud before or anything

They were certain that they'd bribed the right people. Guess they missed somebody.

197 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:14:15pm
198 Summersong  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #189 chicagodudewhotrades

Judge Napolitano on fox talking about john edward's campaign money investigation. depending on how charges could be applied , Edwards could be looking at 3 to a possible max 10 years in fed. lockup

Half man, half Shetland pony...no offense to ponies.

199 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:14:32pm

re: #195 Nevergiveup "Nice hair there Edwards. Wanna be my dance partner?"

200 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:14:38pm

re: #193 yma o hyd

Homeopathy ...
De-tox ...
And some really crazy sh*t by an italian doctor who thinks all cancers are fungi ...

HuffPo has some folks who are as anti-science as creationists in their own way.

201 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:14:49pm
202 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:14:54pm

ya know, that would be a interesting LGF community project. Get a bunch of lizards together who already have blogs/ or contribute to blogs and pool everything on 1 site. Just throwing out ideas........

203 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:00pm

re: #178 Guanxi88

Good. As for editorial oversight, of course it's required. What you want, ideally, is a stable of educated, skilled writers, cranking out works under the constant supervision of a Lizard Overlord, to keep quality up where it needs to be. The writers could (maybe even should) be anonymous.

Yes indeed, the internet levels the playing field.

204 revobob  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:28pm

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

I know someone who has cancer and is still a fun guy...


He must be a goo spore t

205 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:30pm

re: #195 Nevergiveup

Well I bet he would popular there.

Instead of the Silky Pony, Edwards would be viewed as the Silky Goat in prison.

206 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:35pm

re: #191 Iron Fist

Mercenary! Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Exactly! A well-fed writer has a hard time hearing the song of his Muse.

Stay Hungry:

207 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:41pm

re: #183 Summersong

On TV last night there was a short piece - asking low income people if they were spending more on playing the lottery or if now they spent less. Everyone they asked say, yes, they were spending more - save for one who was spending about the same.

Spending more on the lottery because they need the win money? Stupidity in action. Very sad.

I spend $10 every 10 draws (3 draws each week) for the WA State lottery. Did that when I was employed and employable unlike now, never seen throwing away more money will do anything except increase the odds of my being a loser.

208 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:43pm

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

I know someone who has cancer and is still a fun guy...

Me too, and he's just about done with all his treatments. Hooray!

209 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #174 Kosh's Shadow

I didn't figure a sarc tag was necessary whenever referencing Madonna.
/

210 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:15:59pm
211 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:16:35pm
212 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:16:42pm

re: #200 Honorary Yooper

HuffPo has some folks who are as anti-science as creationists in their own way.

Thinking about this - I don't know whats worse: creationists who f*ck up children's minds - or anti-medical-science Huffpooists who get people killed.

213 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #202 chicagodudewhotrades

ya know, that would be a interesting LGF community project. Get a bunch of lizards together who already have blogs/ or contribute to blogs and pool everything on 1 site. Just throwing out ideas........

Until 1 or 2 go crazy, start supporting Nazis and attacking anyone who doesn't fall in line.....oh wait

/

214 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #189 chicagodudewhotrades

Judge Napolitano on fox talking about john edward's campaign money investigation. depending on how charges could be applied , Edwards could be looking at 3 to a possible max 10 years in fed. lockup

Will he ask Alex Jones and Lew Rockwell for their take?

/only half sarc

215 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:17:18pm

re: #148 zombie

A lot of publishers have in fact encouraged me to write a memoir -- and they don't even know about my zombie persona! My life is crazy enough without the zombie stuff. One of those "intersect with historical turning points" kind of lives. I'm sure I've got an FBI file as long as my arm.

Of course, if any of those publishers did know about the zombie thing, they'd quickly retract the offer. People with the Wrong Political Orientation are not offered book contracts.

Enough prurient sex and gratuitous violence to sell, I trust.

216 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:17:36pm

OT -

Well, Rush has finally got around to trashing the social conservatives who don't want to drink the radical kool-aid.

217 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:17:37pm

re: #186 Killian Bundy

ACORN charged with voter registration fraud

/because, you know ACORN's never been charged with voter fraud before or anything

Of Course they surprised.....
That anyone would enforce the law against them for doing "good."

218 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:17:51pm

re: #212 yma o hyd

Thinking about this - I don't know whats worse: creationists who f*ck up children's minds - or anti-medical-science Huffpooists who get people killed.

Good question. One will kill you now by not giving you the vaccinations (anti-vac). One will kill you later by removing the means to have the vaccinations (YEC).

219 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #215 Spare O'Lake

Enough prurient sex and gratuitous violence to sell, I trust.

Cinemax is already negotiating for the rights

220 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:14pm

re: #183 Summersong

On TV last night there was a short piece - asking low income people if they were spending more on playing the lottery or if now they spent less. Everyone they asked say, yes, they were spending more - save for one who was spending about the same.

Spending more on the lottery because they need the win money? Stupidity in action. Very sad.

Neal Boortz calls the lottery a tax on the stupid. It's especially ironic in Georgia because all of our lottery revenues go to education. A student with at least a 3.0 average is eligible for free tuition at any state college in Georgia that is willing to admit them, regardless of their financial means. Basically, the dumb (and frequently poor) residents are paying for the children of the middle and upper classes to attend college.

221 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:17pm

Threats from the top of the Obama administration:
Emanuel: Thwarting Iran hinges on Israeli-Palestinian talks

Thwarting Iran's nuclear program is conditional on progress in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, according to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

Israeli TV reports said Monday that Emanuel made the comments in a closed-door meeting the previous day with 300 major AIPAC donors.

Last month, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Israel that it risks losing Arab support for combating threats from Iran if it rejects peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

Clinton said Arab nations had conditioned helping Israel counter Iran on Jerusalem's commitment to the peace process.

222 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:27pm

re: #197 taxfreekiller

Careful, I got scolded for a similar pun.

223 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:32pm

re: #187 yma o hyd

Thats just as it ought to be!
After all - cricket is a sport where one match runs for four days ... if rain doesn't interrupt play ...

:-))

I started watching thinking it might be nice to understand the game. I am even more confused now. The on-camera narrator is now explaining how Victorian place settings for upper class dining had a profound impact on Cricket.

224 Miss Trixie  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #189 chicagodudewhotrades

Judge Napolitano on fox talking about john edward's campaign money investigation. depending on how charges could be applied , Edwards could be looking at 3 to a possible max 10 years in fed. lockup

Then who would help Silky Pony with his hair?

225 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:45pm

Thwarting Iran's nuclear program is conditional on progress in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, according to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.
Israeli TV reports said Monday that Emanuel made the comments in a closed-door meeting the previous day with 300 major AIPAC donors.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

What a crock of unmitigated BULLSHIT. Honest broker moral equivalence BULLSHIT. Yeah Rahm is a big supporter of Israel- BULLSHIT!

226 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:18:51pm

re: #148 zombie

A lot of publishers have in fact encouraged me to write a memoir -- and they don't even know about my zombie persona! My life is crazy enough without the zombie stuff. One of those "intersect with historical turning points" kind of lives. I'm sure I've got an FBI file as long as my arm.

Of course, if any of those publishers did know about the zombie thing, they'd quickly retract the offer. People with the Wrong Political Orientation are not offered book contracts.

OMG! Are you're William Ayers!?

227 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:21pm

re: #194 DaddyG

Great! Now that they have a documented violation of Federal law they are fully vetted to be appointed by Obama to run the census. /

ACORN people did jail time in WA State.

They are the only ones qualified to do the census count the way it "should" be done.

//

228 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:26pm

re: #211 taxfreekiller

#180
Walter...............

THAT IS IT EXACTLY you win the prize.

ALL IS NORMAL

IT SNOWS IN THE MOUNTAINS
IT RAINS IN THE PLAINS

AL GORE IS FULL OF SHIT AS A CHRISTMAS TURKEY

yes,, normal

not warming, not climate change by man, normal and staying normal

I see. I thought you were trying to say nothing was warming, but just the opposite, that things were cooling.

My mistake.

Yes, you are correct, things are basically normal, and if there is any small tweaks in temps either in the plus or minus, it's not causing some disaster.

229 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

Threats from the top of the Obama administration:
Emanuel: Thwarting Iran hinges on Israeli-Palestinian talks

You beat me to it, but it's BULLSHIT just the same

230 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:40pm

Europeans: U.S. Should Give Up Control of Internet

EU Information Society Commissioner Viviane Reding, a Luxembourgian, called for "full privatization" of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), demanding that it be removed from the supervision of the U.S. Department of Commerce when its operating agreement expires on Sept. 30.

"In the long run, it is not defendable that the government department of only one country has oversight of an Internet function which is used by hundreds of millions of people in countries all over the world," said Reding in a statement.

/hey Europe, [expletive deleted] off, get your own damn internet!

231 SummerSong  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #207 FurryOldGuyJeans

I spend $10 every 10 draws (3 draws each week) for the WA State lottery. Did that when I was employed and employable unlike now, never seen throwing away more money will do anything except increase the odds of my being a loser.

I have heard that your odds of winning the Mega Millions lottery are the same whether you buy a ticket or not! LOL I buy one when the jackpot is over 80M.

232 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:49pm
233 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:19:50pm

re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SkinCinemax is already negotiating for the rights

There is a reason they get the nickname.

234 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:20:31pm
235 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #232 taxfreekiller

Ward

This Alex Jones nut name came up the other day , down in Austin,
some guy there said that he grew up near Dallas,, Rockwall , do you'
know if that is true...?

I know the guy lives here in Austin, and I think he's got relatives down around Houston.

236 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

Threats from the top of the Obama administration:
Emanuel: Thwarting Iran hinges on Israeli-Palestinian talks

Obama's sucker-punch to Israel: you lean into this right cross, and maybe we'll block the left hook.

237 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:20:54pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

I pointed out that Dos Passos had moved from vaguely leftist anarcho-syndicalist to staunch conservative over the course of his life

So I guess the literary establishment saw him as having moved dos pasos forward, un paso back.

238 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:20:57pm

re: #211 taxfreekiller

#180
Walter...............

THAT IS IT EXACTLY you win the prize.

ALL IS NORMAL

IT SNOWS IN THE MOUNTAINS
IT RAINS IN THE PLAINS

AL GORE IS FULL OF SHIT AS A CHRISTMAS TURKEY

yes,, normal

not warming, not climate change by man, normal and staying normal

P.S.

Grandma usually did a good job cleaning the Xmas turkey. I never saw much shit.
/

239 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:21:00pm

re: #215 Spare O'Lake

Enough prurient sex and gratuitous violence to sell, I trust.

Plenty of sex, although of the somewhat fringe kind; Zombie does live in San Francisco.

240 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:21:09pm

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

Threats from the top of the Obama administration:
Emanuel: Thwarting Iran hinges on Israeli-Palestinian talks

Gawd.
Thats so sick, Im bereft of words.

And lets not forget that none of them will do anything about Iran should Israel be so stupid and accept 'peace talks' with the hamasholes and fatahthugs.

241 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #229 Nevergiveup

You beat me to it, but it's BULLSHIT just the same

Yes, the opening moves of what is going to be a long, dangerous 4 years for Israel.

242 SummerSong  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:21:32pm

re: #220 doppelganglander

Neal Boortz calls the lottery a tax on the stupid. It's especially ironic in Georgia because all of our lottery revenues go to education. A student with at least a 3.0 average is eligible for free tuition at any state college in Georgia that is willing to admit them, regardless of their financial means. Basically, the dumb (and frequently poor) residents are paying for the children of the middle and upper classes to attend college.

Wow! No brain, no pain...?

243 experiencedtraveller  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:21:54pm

OT: All you Tolkien fans:

The Hunt for Gollum is live.

244 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I see. I thought you were trying to say nothing was warming, but just the opposite, that things were cooling.

My mistake.

Yes, you are correct, things are basically normal, and if there is any small tweaks in temps either in the plus or minus, it's not causing some disaster.

But the money and political power is in DISASTER!

245 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:22:16pm

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, Israel is being given the lady-or-tiger choice of immolation by Iranian nukes or demographic destruction by rabid Arabs?

But But But But our fellow Jews voted for Obama. he would never betray us?
////////////////////

246 Honorary Yooper  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:22:28pm

re: #239 Kosh's Shadow

Plenty of sex, although of the somewhat fringe kind; Zombie does live in San Francisco.

So I take it you saw the Up Your Alley exposé.

247 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

I started watching thinking it might be nice to understand the game. I am even more confused now. The on-camera narrator is now explaining how Victorian place settings for upper class dining had a profound impact on Cricket.

Aww ...

(Don't ask me - can't help you - was told point-blank that wimmin can't udnerstand cricket, never could, never will, and are only good for making the tea ...)

248 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:22:52pm

re: #231 SummerSong

I have heard that your odds of winning the Mega Millions lottery are the same whether you buy a ticket or not! LOL I buy one when the jackpot is over 80M.

I prefer to give the state the money in the case they might decide through the lottery to give me some of it back. Better than letting them get into my wallet without my permission as they are intent on doing.

249 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:23:13pm

re: #241 Bagua

Yes, the opening moves of what is going to be a long, dangerous 4 years for Israel.

Abso fucking lutly

250 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:23:48pm

re: #244 jcm

But the money and political power is in DISASTER!

No, it's working out very well for those who are pushing it.

251 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:23:58pm

re: #245 Nevergiveup

But But But But our fellow Jews voted for Obama. he would never betray us?
////////////////////

On the contrary! It is Jews who will be twisting the knife.

252 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #229 Nevergiveup

You beat me to it, but it's BULLSHIT just the same

It's also backwards. As long as the Paliterrorists have Iran behind them, they're never going to make peace with the Jewish state of Israel.
Take out Iran, and the Palis are a lot more likely to make peace.

253 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, Israel is being given the lady-or-tiger choice of immolation by Iranian nukes or demographic destruction by rabid Arabs?

And they're being given the choice by someone who is Israeli.
[deleted]

254 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:25:35pm

What people have to understand is that for people like Clinton ( either one ) Obama or Emanual Israel is just a chip to play in their game to win. People like them have no principals. They just want to win no matter who or what gets hurt.

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:25:40pm

re: #247 yma o hyd

Aww ...

(Don't ask me - can't help you - was told point-blank that wimmin can't udnerstand cricket, never could, never will, and are only good for making the tea ...)

Not being an athletic supporter makes more than a few people look askance at me.

256 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:25:42pm

re: #224 Miss Trixie

Then who would help Silky Pony with his hair?


[Video]

Jim Trafficant?

257 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:25:50pm

re: #253 Kosh's Shadow

The worst enemy is always the one within.

258 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:26:25pm

Down with "sarc" tags!
I suggest "to be taken at face value" tags instead.
.5/

259 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:26:31pm

Fake "civilian" update


Thanks to the volunteers who are poring through various lists of Gaza victims, here are the current stats of people whom the Palestinian Center for Human Rights called "civilian" that are actually terrorists.

251 militants that the PCHR called "civilian"
130 policemen that the PCHR called "civilian"
13 terrorists under 18 years old

Known terrorists killed in Gaza so far by name
251+236 PCHR "militants" = 481

Percentage of policemen who were also known terrorists:
127/239 = 54.4%

260 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:27:27pm

re: #240 yma o hyd

Gawd.
Thats so sick, Im bereft of words.

And lets not forget that none of them will do anything about Iran should Israel be so stupid and accept 'peace talks' with the hamasholes and fatahthugs.

Exactly. The threat is the Arabs won't support Israel against Iran.
That's like saying that a crocodile won't eat you if you don't run.

261 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

No, it's working out very well for those who are pushing it.

Sorry that was my meaning.

262 Cygnus  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:28:09pm

re: #187 yma o hyd

Thats just as it ought to be!
After all - cricket is a sport where one match runs for four days ... if rain doesn't interrupt play ...

:-))

They also take a break at Tea Time.

263 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:28:28pm

Gingrich on Obama's Israel policy:

They are systematically setting up the most decisive confrontation that we've ever seen," the leading Republican politician told The Jerusalem Post, referring to news reports about the administration's approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"There's almost an eagerness to take on the Israeli government to make a point with the Arab world," He called US President Barack Obama's program of engagement on Iran a "fantasy," and his Middle East policies "very dangerous for Israel." He summed up Obama's approach as "the clearest adoption of weakness since Jimmy Carter."

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:28:37pm

re: #257 Bagua

The worst enemy is always the one within.

For me the worst is the one that declares they are our friend and are here to help.

265 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:29:02pm

re: #182 Ward Cleaver

Beside anti-vaxing, what other anti-science stuff are they promoting? Just curious.

Apparently, the HuffPo also offers the "quantum healing" of Deepak Chopra's confused musings...(among others)...

266 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:29:04pm

re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans

You have a point there

267 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:29:28pm
268 Miss Trixie  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:29:42pm

re: #256 doppelganglander

Jim Trafficant?

LOL! He reminds me of my Uncle Lloyd. :D

269 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:29:46pm

re: #266 Bagua

You have a point there

Yeah, but I comb my hair to hide it most times. ;)

270 JustABill  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #148 zombie

A lot of publishers have in fact encouraged me to write a memoir -- and they don't even know about my zombie persona! My life is crazy enough without the zombie stuff. One of those "intersect with historical turning points" kind of lives. I'm sure I've got an FBI file as long as my arm.

Of course, if any of those publishers did know about the zombie thing, they'd quickly retract the offer. People with the Wrong Political Orientation are not offered book contracts.

What you really ought to do, assuming your not really undead, is set up a deal to have your memoirs published posthumously, then arrange to have your alternate persona revealed shortly thereafter...

271 dato_jo_khan  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:30:35pm

It's typical anti-scientific crap. These people think they're actually being inoculated with live, virulent forms of whatever they're being immunized against.

They're the same people that think homeopathy is actually legit.

272 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:30:43pm

re: #259 Kenneth

Fake "civilian" update

Kenneth, Come on you know better....

Anyone killed by the IDF is a civilian.
Anyone killed by the valiant freedom fighters of Hamas, is a oppressor who was violent oppressing the poor innocent Gazans!

////// AP Style guide.

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:30:50pm

re: #267 taxfreekiller

Oh, oh, The Times is sinking, OH,,, oh,,, why, why, must the Times slide under ,,,, oh, me oh, my, the horror.

O and Congress will not let that happen; the Times is too Liberal to fail.

274 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:30:54pm

re: #263 Kenneth

Gingrich on Obama's Israel policy:

I don't usually like Gingrich all that much, but when your right your right.

275 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:30:55pm

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

Threats from the top of the Obama administration:
Emanuel: Thwarting Iran hinges on Israeli-Palestinian talks


My God.

If the quote was as reported, this is blackmail, pure and simple.

Self-defeating blackmail, no less... right, like a nuclear-armed Iran would be solely Israel's problem?!

I fear that Israel is going to have to do this job on her own, and live with the predictable diplomatic consequences (not to mention, having to put her own military personnel in harm's way, while the rest of the world turns away.

276 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:31:41pm

re: #220 doppelganglander Shhhhhh... Don't start making a big deal out of this until my 7 are through college please. /

You are correct about this being regressive. I will encourage my children to take advantage of any money out there for education, but I don't play the lottery because of the moral issues involved. Just drive around town and see where the bulletin boards are aimed.

277 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:31:59pm

re: #262 Cygnus

They also take a break at Tea Time.

Yep.
And the Aussies always win ...

:-(

278 Bagua  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:32:06pm

re: #269 FurryOldGuyJeans

Indeed, that is what Obama/Emanual will be representing themselves as, friends of Israel that want to help make peace, as they can not help themselves. After all, they know better, Hillary knows lots and lots of leaders by there first name...

279 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:32:06pm
280 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:32:37pm
281 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:32:47pm

re: #272 jcm

Anyone killed by the valiant freedom fighters of Hamas, is a oppressor "settler"

282 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:32:53pm

I was worried about Israel a couple months ago. But not so much anymore. When they hit Iran it will be awesome. I've been reading about a Israeli project called 'Blue Sparrow' (This is open-source stuff) Israel has weaponized this into a offensive weapon. Google it and think about the capability and what it means in terms of conventional strikes.

283 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:33:08pm

re: #275 Occasional Reader

My God.

If the quote was as reported, this is blackmail, pure and simple.

Self-defeating blackmail, no less... right, like a nuclear-armed Iran would be solely Israel's problem?!

I fear that Israel is going to have to do this job on her own, and live with the predictable diplomatic consequences (not to mention, having to put her own military personnel in harm's way, while the rest of the world turns away.

It will not just be her military in " Harms Way". With Hezbollah, Hamas, and maybe even Syria Missile rich, it ain't gonna be pretty.

284 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:33:42pm

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

Published after eating Middle Eastern food?

*veritable chorus of groans*

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:35:43pm

re: #279 taxfreekiller

TFK? I looked at his wiki yesterday. According to his Wiki; he's wacky.

286 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:36:38pm
287 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:37:37pm

Dodd Likens Bush Administration To Nazis

[Link: www.melissaclouthier.com...]

Why doesn't this sick, old fuck just retire. He compares waterboarding to the Holocaust? Did I say I hate this asshole sick fuck?

288 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:37:40pm

re: #275 Occasional Reader

If that's how they are talking in public, you can bet the "frank exchange of views" in private is even more direct. Obama has it in for Israel. This is the test Joe Biden was warning about when he said Obama's response might not seem like the right thing at first, and a lot of traditional Democratic supporters (ie. Jews) might be upset.

289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:38:03pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

Hummus be joking.

290 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:38:07pm

re: #284 Spare O'Lake

*veritable chorus of groans*

It sounds like you really felafel about this.

291 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

I regret I cannot olive-iate your pain.

Oh for Pita's sake! You should be spanakopita-d for that.

292 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:38:47pm

re: #281 Occasional Reader

We know what killed them all too!

293 Salamantis  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:38:49pm

re: #20 Kenneth

Now you're just confusing people, Charles. I thought you only exposed idiocy in the GOP now, not on liberal blogs.

Could we get a thread on Fascists and Ear Candling?

Charles exposes idiocy wherever he finds it, without fear or favor.

That's what I like about this place.

294 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:38:56pm

re: #288 Kenneth

If that's how they are talking in public, you can bet the "frank exchange of views" in private is even more direct. Obama has it in for Israel. This is the test Joe Biden was warning about when he said Obama's response might not seem like the right thing at first, and a lot of traditional Democratic supporters (ie. Jews) might be upset.

This ain't nothing. This is just the beginning

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:39:31pm

Baba ghanoush.

Don't have a pun for it, but it's a funny name.

296 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #288 Kenneth

when he said Obama's response might not seem like the right thing at first, and a lot of traditional Democratic supporters (ie. Jews) might be upset.

But then, the [fill in step 2 from Underpants Gnomes Master Plan here, once available] will occur, and everything will turn out great.

297 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #276 DaddyG

Shhhhhh... Don't start making a big deal out of this until my 7 are through college please. /

You are correct about this being regressive. I will encourage my children to take advantage of any money out there for education, but I don't play the lottery because of the moral issues involved. Just drive around town and see where the bulletin boards are aimed.

With 7 kids, HOPE is your best friend. Personally, I don't have any moral qualms about the lottery. We might throw down $5 if it gets up over $100 million, but it's not like that $5 is taking food out of my kid's mouth.

298 JustABill  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:40:25pm

hmmm *looks for online dictionary...*

299 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #294 Nevergiveup

This ain't nothing. This is just the beginning

If this is what we have after 100 days, 4 years will be a total fucking disaster.

300 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:40:30pm

Here is an Epic Fail: Irish fascists get tour of Jew-killing facilities

WTF were they thinking?

301 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:41:05pm

re: #293 Salamantis

I know. Maybe I should have used a sarc tag on that one.

302 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:41:52pm

re: #298 JustABill

hmmm *looks for online dictionary...*

re: #298 JustABill

hmmm *looks for online dictionary...*

[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

303 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:42:35pm

re: #286 buzzsawmonkey

I regret I cannot olive-iate your pain.

Now that's hard to figger.

304 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:42:54pm

re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Baba ghanoush.

Don't have a pun for it, but it's a funny name.

I ate that once, and I falafel afterward.

305 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #300 Alouette

Here is an Epic Fail: Irish fascists get tour of Jew-killing facilities

WTF were they thinking?

The UDA are thugs, but I'm not sure it they're specifically "fascist" thugs.

306 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:44:03pm

These puns just keep kabob-bob-bobbing along.

307 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #300 Alouette

Here is an Epic Fail: Irish fascists get tour of Jew-killing facilities

WTF were they thinking?

Giving them grander ideas?

308 Achilles Tang  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:44:26pm

I'm curious about the ads (by Google) that I see on LGF. On the top page today were two for ID and Creationism.

Do the people who place these ads specify what blogs or other websites they want them to appear on, or is this another Google algorithm based on the frequency of such words in the websites they send the ads to?

309 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:44:44pm
310 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:45:15pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

but I'm not sure it if

(I am just Mr. PIMFmeister today.)

311 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:45:18pm

re: #282 chicagodudewhotrades

Do you have a link on offensive versions of 'Blue Sparrow' ? All I could find about it is a technology for testing the Israeli missile defense system.

312 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:45:24pm

re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A. Baba Ganu Shcratch behind mah eyars?

Q. What did Daisy May ask her man to do when she was feelin' frisky.

313 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:45:51pm

I wonder if anyone at AIPAC confronted Emanuel on his asinine assertion that Iran is connected to the Israel-Palestinian issue?

314 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:45:55pm

re: #310 Occasional Reader

(I am just Mr. PIMFmeister today.)

You'd have to do a whole lot more to wrest that title from me.

315 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:46:08pm

re: #308 Naso Tang

I read something yesterday Charles posted about it. short answer: it is a algorithm based on the frequency of words

316 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:46:18pm

re: #308 Naso Tang

On the top page today were two for ID and Creationism.

[hand goes up] "Why does God need a starship ad agency?"

-James T. Kirk

317 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:46:21pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

The UDA are thugs, but I'm not sure it they're specifically "fascist" thugs.

UDA look like some seriously ugly fascist shit. They are definitely in the Stormfront league.

318 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:46:26pm
319 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:46:42pm

re: #308 Naso Tang

I'm curious about the ads (by Google) that I see on LGF. On the top page today were two for ID and Creationism.

Do the people who place these ads specify what blogs or other websites they want them to appear on, or is this another Google algorithm based on the frequency of such words in the websites they send the ads to?

Google automates the ads based on the site's content. Thus we get creationist ads and one for a Muslim dating service.
Charles will block offensive ads (like if the John Birch society tried to advertise), but is perfectly willing to take the money from all the legit ads that probably won't find customers here.

320 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:46:59pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

The UDA are thugs, but I'm not sure it they're specifically "fascist" thugs.

Not just thugs - full-blown terrorists, same as the IRA and their splinter groups.
Only difference is - UDA are protestant, IRA are Catholics ...

321 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:47:16pm

re: #311 Kenneth


Give me a couple minutes. i think there is something about it at globalsecurity.org

322 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:47:56pm

re: #313 Nevergiveup

I wonder if anyone at AIPAC confronted Emanuel on his asinine assertion that Iran is connected to the Israel-Palestinian issue?

I don't know. Let's see how many AIPAC members get fine-toothed audits from the IRS.

323 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:48:02pm

re: #310 Occasional Reader

He's mister PIMFmeister
writing uh-ohs
He's mister PIMFmeister
serving up big typos!

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:48:10pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow

Google automates the ads based on the site's content. Thus we get creationist ads and one for a Muslim dating service.
Charles will block offensive ads (like if the John Birch society tried to advertise), but is perfectly willing to take the money from all the legit ads that probably won't find customers here.

Sadly he has to keep explaining this to all the new trolls that want to trash him and lgf for "hosting" the ads.

325 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:48:29pm

re: #320 yma o hyd

Not just thugs - full-blown terrorists, same as the IRA and their splinter groups.
Only difference is - UDA are protestant, IRA are Catholics ...

Any idea where the UDA stand (if at all) on Jews/Israel?

326 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:48:45pm

re: #297 doppelganglander

With 7 kids, HOPE is your best friend. Personally, I don't have any moral qualms about the lottery. We might throw down $5 if it gets up over $100 million, but it's not like that $5 is taking food out of my kid's mouth.

In college I took a cartography class. We had access to all the GIS census, state data.

Using census tracks, which are pretty small I overlaid income data and lottery sales data.

The directness of the correlation between low income, and high lottery sales was amazingly high.

The average sales in those low income census tracks was something like $40 per sale.

The libertarian part of me could care less if people spend money on lottery.

Another part of me says it's taking advantage of those who can least afford it.

327 DaddyG  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:48:58pm

re: #311 Kenneth
Didn't you know? Israel defending itself is offensive to most middle eastern nations. /sort of

328 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:49:10pm

re: #315 chicagodudewhotrades

I read something yesterday Charles posted about it. short answer: it is a algorithm based on the frequency of words

Does Google also determine your IP's origin? For example, I just got an ad for Campbell for Governor (of California.)

329 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:49:44pm

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

We are caught between arak and a hard place.

Is that as bad as being slapped by a pomegranate?

330 Achilles Tang  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:04pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow

I thought so. Actually, as you would expect, the information was free, but no doubt donations are accepted.

331 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:14pm

re: #325 Occasional Reader

Any idea where the UDA stand (if at all) on Jews/Israel?

If I had to guess, I'd use the Tom Lehrer line from "National Brotherhood Week":
The Catholics hate the Protestants
The Protestants hate the Catholics
And everyone hates the Jews.

332 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:37pm

re: #322 Kosh's Shadow

I don't know. Let's see how many AIPAC members get fine-toothed audits from the IRS.

The Chicago way?

333 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:45pm

re: #325 Occasional Reader

Any idea where the UDA stand (if at all) on Jews/Israel?

Same as Vlaams Belang. They claim to be "pro Israel" (even have a star of David in their logo) but this is mainly to piss off their leftist opponents. They may be in to some "British Israelite" crap.

334 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:47pm

re: #327 DaddyG

Didn't you know? Israel defending itself is offensive to most middle eastern nations. /sort of


FTFY

335 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:49pm
336 subsailor68  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:50:52pm

Afternoon all! Found this interesting:

Obama cracks down on overseas tax loopholes

The first paragraph starts:

President Barack Obama vowed Monday to "detect and pursue" U.S tax evaders and go after their offshore tax shelters.

But the rest of the article is about current tax code - not illegal activity.

To make things even more interesting, the article says:

"If financial institutions won't cooperate with us, we will assume that they are sheltering money in tax havens and act accordingly," Obama said.

Translation: If you won't cooperate, you are guilty and will be sentenced accordingly. Innocent until proven guilty is no longer on the table.

And: The president, who hammered on this issue during his long campaign for the White House, said at a White House event that his plan would generate $210 billion in new taxes over 10 years and "make it easier" for companies to create jobs at home.

I see. Your plan is to tax the companies to the tune of $210 billion, because it will make it easier to create jobs at home?

Right. Like that $210 billion will ever be used for anything other than this administration's cockamamie schemes.

Basic economics, Mr. Obama: private industry creates jobs and wealth. Private capital creates economic growth. If you want to try something interesting - try cutting corporate taxes to zero HERE, and see what happens.

337 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #325 Occasional Reader

Any idea where the UDA stand (if at all) on Jews/Israel?

No. I don't think they had any stance except to stop the IRA, and to prevent Northern Ireland from being incorporated with the Irish Republic.

The IRA however did have contacts with Ghaddafi, to import illegal arms.

338 Wendya  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:51:48pm

re: #220 doppelganglander

Basically, the dumb (and frequently poor) residents are paying for the children of the middle and upper classes to attend college.


Yep.

I have no problems with a lottery. I don't personally gamble because I'm not in the habit of throwing money away but if someone wants to buy lottery tickets, more power to them. And Boortz is right. At least in this case it is a purely voluntary "tax".

339 hazzyday  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #183 Summersong

On TV last night there was a short piece - asking low income people if they were spending more on playing the lottery or if now they spent less. Everyone they asked say, yes, they were spending more - save for one who was spending about the same.

Spending more on the lottery because they need the win money? Stupidity in action. Very sad.

I like having the fantasy ticket in my wallet, next to the fantasy condom. Mental health.

340 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:52:31pm
341 yma o hyd  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #331 Kosh's Shadow

If I had to guess, I'd use the Tom Lehrer line from "National Brotherhood Week":
The Catholics hate the Protestants
The Protestants hate the Catholics
And everyone hates the Jews.

I don't think there are that many Jews in Northern Ireland - and above all, they hated each other so much that any other group didn't have a chance to get hated as well.
Except the British Army, natch.

342 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:54:52pm

re: #338 Wendya

Yep.

I have no problems with a lottery. I don't personally gamble because I'm not in the habit of throwing money away but if someone wants to buy lottery tickets, more power to them. And Boortz is right. At least in this case it is a purely voluntary "tax".

I'll buy a few tickets (not more than one per drawing) if the jackpot is high.
Maybe I spend $50/yr. A couple of weeks ago, I won $2, which paid for a couple of the tickets.
But I do see people spending much more than I do, and some of those look like they can't afford it.

343 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:55:12pm

re: #321 chicagodudewhotrades


this is the best i could find on short notice:

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]


but it doesn't take a lot of effort to turn it into a weapon. Think about a bunch of these slamming into iranian nuke plants at high single digit mach

344 Achilles Tang  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:55:33pm

re: #324 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sadly he has to keep explaining this to all the new trolls that want to trash him and lgf for "hosting" the ads.

I hadn't seen any do that, but there's a first time for everything. I guessed the algorithm was the answer, in part because I've also noticed some ads that are very location specific, as in targeting me or you (wherever you are). Google can even see your IP and route you an ad relevant to where you are (say a concert).

345 lawhawk  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:56:18pm

CT, take a good look at your congressional representatives.

Specifically, look at Sen. Chris Dodd. Dodd takes Godwin's law, throttles it, waterboards it, throws it into a plastic shredder, and still finds that what Bush authorized in harsh interrogations is worse than what the Nazis did to murder six million Jews during the Holocaust.

These people have no clue. They are destroying the meaning of the English language with these kinds of pronouncements, and dishonor the memories of those murdered at the hands of the Nazis (who regularly engaged in torture, medical experimentation, rape, and other nastiness and pure unadulterated evil, which in no way shape or form could even remotely be compared to allowing harsh interrogations of three self-admitted terror masters, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who helped plan and instigate the 9/11 attacks.

346 lawhawk  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:57:52pm

re: #331 Kosh's Shadow

If I had to guess, I'd use the Tom Lehrer line from "National Brotherhood Week":
The Catholics hate the Protestants
The Protestants hate the Catholics
And everyone hates the Jews.

Another apt description of the left-right convergence of McKinney and the anti-Semites on the far right...

347 experiencedtraveller  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:58:25pm

re: #305 Occasional Reader

The UDA are thugs, but I'm not sure it they're specifically "fascist" thugs.

I would never blame a community for the actions of some of its members but a review of Northern Ireland reveals how a small majority with monopolistic political power can aggressively subjugate a sizable minority using bureaucratic power and without resorting to mass murder and mayhem.

/So maybe its a kindler, gentler fascism...

348 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, May 4, 2009 12:59:38pm

re: #341 yma o hyd

I don't think there are that many Jews in Northern Ireland - and above all, they hated each other so much that any other group didn't have a chance to get hated as well.
Except the British Army, natch.

Thanks.
I wanted the chance to quote Tom Lehrer again.

Then there is this joke:
A person is walking in Ireland, when he gets held up.
The robber says "Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
He thinks for a minute. "If I answer wrong, he'll kill me."
So he says "Jewish"
The robber says "I'm the luckiest Arab in Ireland."

349 Wendya  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:02:00pm

re: #335 taxfreekiller

Mean cheap ass "old Goats" at google, will not even help out the poor wage slave like other good Democrats do.

[Link: googleblog.blogspot.com...]

I've thought about renting a herd of goats to thin out the sagebrush and chamisa.

350 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:04:37pm

re: #343 chicagodudewhotrades

That's all I could find too. It's easy to imagine a variation that makes it an offensive weapon, but I'm not sure what the cost & advantages would be as compared to other systems. Israel already has smart bombs, ICBMs & cruise missiles. What would an offensive "blue sparrow" provide that the other systems don't?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious.

BTW: cool Israeli photography site.

351 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:04:54pm

re: #349 Wendya

I've thought about renting a herd of goats to thin out the sagebrush and chamisa.

352 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #326 jcm

In college I took a cartography class. We had access to all the GIS census, state data.

Using census tracks, which are pretty small I overlaid income data and lottery sales data.

The directness of the correlation between low income, and high lottery sales was amazingly high.

The average sales in those low income census tracks was something like $40 per sale.

The libertarian part of me could care less if people spend money on lottery.

Another part of me says it's taking advantage of those who can least afford it.


That shouldn't surprise me, but it does. I tend to think that if the lottery were abolished tomorrow, folks would find some other foolish way to spend their money.

353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:07:10pm

re: #326 jcm

I'm going to have to change back to my old avatar. I didn't remember writing that.

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:08:21pm

re: #326 jcm

And it didn't make sense, because I read "calligraphy".

355 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:19:56pm

re: #353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm going to have to change back to my old avatar. I didn't remember writing that.

Get your hands off my avatar you dirty ape!

/ Chuck Heston rewritten for the occasion.

356 Jimmah  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:21:07pm

Never looked much on Huffpo but I get the feeling from this article that it's pretty much a 'cosseted middle class new agey-eco-leftist hippy' hang out.

357 Kenneth  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:26:36pm

re: #345 lawhawk

Is waterboarding torture?

To answer that question one must define both of the terms "waterboarding" and "torture". How the procedure is done makes a big difference. Certainly, waterboarding can be done in a manner that is clearly torture.

Consider how waterboarding was performed by the Spanish Inquisition: strap a man to a board, dunk him backwards into a large barrel of water long enough for him to loose his breath and suck in water. Lift him out long enough to cough and catch his breath. Repeat endlessly. That would easily be torture.

What about "waterboarding" as performed by bullies in a hazing? Take the victim, force his head into the dorm toilet & flush. Let go of him and let him cough & scream. The bullies laugh. That is certainly abuse. But is it torture?

What about an experiment i performed in the shower. I placed a washcloth on my face and stood under the running shower head. Water flooded over my face. I couldn't breath. Quickly I jerked my head away, after about 5 seconds. There was no lasting harm or shock. It was somewhat unpleasant, but not torture.

What about how waterboarding is performed on US troops during SERE training? The subjects are voluntary. The intention is to help them survive capture and real torture. The troops are medically carefully supervised during the waterboarding which is performed according to a detailed procedure. Clearly, this is not torture.

What about waterboarding as performed on the three Al Qaeda captives? It was done in the same manner as the SERE procedure, except that the subjects were not voluntary. It was done to break his will and compel him to give valuable, life-saving information. It did not result in physical harm or long term psychological harm. Was it then torture?

358 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:33:57pm

re: #232 taxfreekiller

Ward

This Alex Jones nut name came up the other day , down in Austin,
some guy there said that he grew up near Dallas,, Rockwall , do you'
know if that is true...?

Nope, didn't know that. According to his Wikipedia bio, he was born in Dallas in 1974 (he's just a punk kid), at Parkland (maybe some intern dropped him on his head?). He grew up in Rockwall, but graduated from Anderson HS in Austin. His picture on Wiki shows him with quite a scowl. I would guess he's got some serious anger management issues.

359 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 1:36:43pm

re: #357 Kenneth

AHHHH TORTURE!

A comment that uses logic!

AHHHHHH!

360 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:00:27pm
361 countrygurl  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:07pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Remind me again: Why does anyone respect or admire Oprah?


Because she is a successful BLACK business woman. She succeeded against all odds in our fascist, racist, misogynistic, evil society and therefore is worthy to be worshiped by the masses who yearn to be like her but can never hope to attain even a smidgeon of her success due the above named obstacles.

362 countrygurl  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:48:44pm

re: #361 countrygurl
Should I have included the
"/" sarc tag?

363 erisldysnomia  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:15:59pm

In medicine, perhaps Atlas must shrug and let natural selection run its course.


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