Big-Screen Kindle Planned

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Yes, folks, it’s another new version of the Kindle, being announced this week, with a larger screen and improved web browser: Amazon to Launch Kindle for Textbooks.

It’s unclear from the news reports whether the new Kindle will be for sale any time soon. Looks like the first roll-out will be a test project for university students.

Amazon.com Inc. on Wednesday plans to unveil a new version of its Kindle e-book reader with a larger screen and other features designed to appeal to periodical and academic textbook publishers, according to people familiar with the matter.

Beginning in the fall, some students at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland will be given large-screen Kindles with textbooks for chemistry, computer science, and a freshman seminar already installed, said Lev Gonick, the school’s chief information officer. The university plans to compare the experiences of the students who are issued the devices and those who use traditional textbooks, said Mr. Gonick.

Amazon has worked out a deal with several textbook publishers to make their materials available for the device, Mr. Gonick said. The new device will also feature a more fully functional Web browser, he said. The current version of the Kindle, which debuted in February, contains a Web browser that is classified as “experimental.”

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1 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:47:52pm

More neat tech stuff I haven't money for. All I can do is drool.

2 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:48:28pm

I'm sure DI will be working on getting their textbooks ready for it.

3 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:49:26pm

This thing had better be RUGGED. I could tell you some amazing stories about private high schools issuing laptops and what happened to them.

4 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:49:33pm

Charles, why do you hate dead trees?

/

5 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

Charles, why do you hate dead trees?

/

Au contraire, he LOVES dead electrons!

/

6 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:50:37pm
Amazon.com Inc. on Wednesday plans to unveil a new version of its Kindle e-book reader with a larger screen and other features designed to appeal to periodical and academic textbook publishers

yeah great whatever WILL PLAYBOY BE AVAILABLE?!

7 Fenway_Nation  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:51:13pm

Sounds great- I'd look forward to it even more if I could somehow read.

8 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:51:46pm

Hey, I have a "Kindle"-like idea ... a computer display for my desk that has "Kindle" mode to make some of the stuff I get sent easier to read. The old eyes are straining.

9 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:51:58pm

So now I can read by more Kindle-light.

10 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:52:11pm

re: #3 OldLineTexan

This thing had better be RUGGED. I could tell you some amazing stories about private high schools issuing laptops and what happened to them.

I'll stick to "real" books. They don't require batteries, have no components to fail, are remarkably pan-climatic, and any repairs needed can be done with Scotch Tape or Elmer's Glue without recourse to a technician.

cheers

eon

11 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:52:52pm

If anyone is interested in a little topical browser game play, Pandemic

12 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:53:35pm

re: #10 eon

I'll stick to "real" books. They don't require batteries, have no components to fail, are remarkably pan-climatic, and any repairs needed can be done with Scotch Tape or Elmer's Glue without recourse to a technician.

cheers

eon

My back would have liked a Kindle, however. I once had a math textbook that weighed almost eight pounds.

13 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:54:00pm

re: #10 eon

I'll stick to "real" books. They don't require batteries, have no components to fail, are remarkably pan-climatic, and any repairs needed can be done with Scotch Tape or Elmer's Glue without recourse to a technician.

cheers

eon

Ah, you old fuddy-duddy.
/

14 Billy Hank  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:55:33pm

When it can handle PDF out of the box without a lot gyrations, then I'll be interested. I've been converting my reading, particularly professional, to PDF for years now. It has saved a lot of weight and space.

15 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:55:38pm

Am I the only the one that think it's weird to name an e-book after something used in starting fires?

16 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:56:14pm

58" 1080P Kindle!
Cool!

Now I just need to hire a porter to carry the damn thing.

17 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #6 Occasional Reader

yeah great whatever WILL PLAYBOY BE AVAILABLE?!

We need to Cheetoh-dustproof the keyboard first.

18 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:57:06pm

re: #15 Idle Drifter

Am I the only the one that think it's weird to name an e-book after something used in starting fires?

Mikey al-Moore ruined all the "Fahrenheit 451" opportunities ...

19 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:57:13pm

re: #15 Idle Drifter

Am I the only the one that think it's weird to name an e-book after something used in starting fires?

No weirder than naming a novel after the ignition temperature of book paper.

/Anyone know which one I'm referring to?

cheers

eon

20 KansasMom  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:57:25pm

Backpacks are about to get much lighter.

Kids these days have it so easy! I remember very well, and not so fondly, carting all those books up all the stairs to class.
We didn't wear our backpacks over both shoulders then, that was waay to nerdy. So now I have one shoulder that is up higher and pushed further back than the other. Ya, that's so much cooler than using both straps!

21 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:58:02pm

re: #19 eon

Fahrenheit 451

22 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:58:47pm

re: #17 OldLineTexan

We need to Cheetoh-dustproof the keyboard first.

re: #6 Occasional Reader

yeah great whatever WILL PLAYBOY BE AVAILABLE?!

We need to Cheetoh-dustproof the keyboard first.

As well as protecting it against, er, other substances.

23 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:59:18pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

yeah, kind of goes without saying ... ;)

24 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, May 4, 2009 2:59:33pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

As well as protecting it against, er, other substances.

Precious bodily fluids?
/

25 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:00:06pm

re: #20 KansasMom

Backpacks are about to get much lighter.

Kids these days have it so easy! I remember very well, and not so fondly, carting all those books up all the stairs to class.
We didn't wear our backpacks over both shoulders then, that was waay to nerdy. So now I have one shoulder that is up higher and pushed further back than the other. Ya, that's so much cooler than using both straps!

I kept all my books in my locker, did all my homework in study hall, and at the end of the day, left everything but my personal effects in my locker and went home.

Yes, I got A's and B's.

And yes, everybody in the school hated me.

cheers

eon

26 KansasMom  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:00:24pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

As well as protecting it against, er, other substances.

JOLT cola?
/

27 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:00:59pm

re: #21 Idle Drifter

Fahrenheit 451

Upding for the win.

cheers

eon

28 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:01:06pm

re: #26 KansasMom

JOLT cola?
/

It's college. They drink Red Bull mixed with vodka!

29 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:02:17pm

re: #28 OldLineTexan

It's college. They drink Red Bull mixed with vodka!

It gives them Wings.

30 world b. free  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:02:28pm

I bought my wife a Kindle for a recent birthday, partly on the strength of Charles' repeated recommendations. She loves it, so thanks. I compare the allure of it to what I experienced with the iPhone - hearing other people talk about it makes you wonder what all the fuss is about, but it isn't until you hold it in your hands and put it through its paces that you realize just how sexy and cool a device it is.

31 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:02:30pm

My wife looked at the picture in the NY Times and said "That won't fit in my purse."

32 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:03:43pm

re: #31 Thanos

My wife looked at the picture in the NY Times and said "That won't fit in my purse."

Wow, most women can park a buick in their purse. ;)

33 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:04:01pm

I am so lo tech that I let a Garmin GPS sit in its box fro 2 months after my wife got it for my birthday. I just didn't feel like earning college credit by reading the instruction tome. As it turns out I pulled it out this weekend to help with a trip down to San Diego and was pleasantly suprised. The instructions literally had me do nothing more than figure out how to mount it to the windshield. That and turning it on and acquiring satellites - which took all of 45 seconds.
Now I can't stop playing with it.
I'm not old enough to be a curmudgeon but I sure act like one sometimes.....
:)

34 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:04:30pm

I'm sorta clumsy, and tend to get my books wet by accident either spilling drinks or setting them on wet surfaces. I'm waiting for the waterproof Kindle.

35 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:04:49pm

re: #29 DEZes

It gives them Wings.

And no pesky hangover!

/////

36 KansasMom  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:04:53pm

re: #32 DEZes

Wow, most women can park a buick in their purse. ;)

Ha! I'll upding that!

37 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:05:07pm

re: #33 LGoPs

The instructions literally had me do nothing more than figure out how to mount it to the windshield. That and turning it on and acquiring satellites - which took all of 45 seconds.

Of course, it's reporting your location to DHS.
/

38 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:05:27pm

re: #28 OldLineTexan

It's college. They drink Red Bull mixed with vodka!

Gatorade with Citron

39 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:05:36pm

re: #34 Thanos

I'm sorta clumsy, and tend to get my books wet by accident either spilling drinks or setting them on wet surfaces. I'm waiting for the waterproof Kindle.

Water! Um, yeah, that's what OR was referring to in 22 ... water.

/

40 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:05:45pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Of course, it's reporting your location to DHS.
/

LOL......

41 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:05:49pm

re: #33 LGoPs

I am so lo tech that I let a Garmin GPS sit in its box fro 2 months after my wife got it for my birthday. I just didn't feel like earning college credit by reading the instruction tome. As it turns out I pulled it out this weekend to help with a trip down to San Diego and was pleasantly suprised. The instructions literally had me do nothing more than figure out how to mount it to the windshield. That and turning it on and acquiring satellites - which took all of 45 seconds.
Now I can't stop playing with it.
I'm not old enough to be a curmudgeon but I sure act like one sometimes.....
:)

I have an atlas of the USA in my head...I laugh at GPS...I'll find my own hotel thanks

42 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:05:58pm

re: #34 Thanos

I'm sorta clumsy, and tend to get my books wet by accident either spilling drinks or setting them on wet surfaces

Then as discussed upthread, our Special Edition Playboy Kindle may be right for you.

43 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Of course, it's reporting your location to DHS.
/

Depending on whether you take a rightist or a leftist ...

44 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:06:31pm

Okay, but Fermat would not have liked those margins.

/

45 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:06:45pm

re: #40 LGoPs

LOL......

You'll be LOLing all the way to FEMA camp! Mark my words!

46 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:06:52pm

re: #25 eon

I kept all my books in my locker, did all my homework in study hall, and at the end of the day, left everything but my personal effects in my locker and went home.

Yes, I got A's and B's.

And yes, everybody in the school hated me.

cheers

eon

I didn't have the option for study hall and the lockers in my school were easily broken. Certain people couldn't keep track of their books so everyone was stealing from each other to get their books back.

47 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:07:13pm

re: #36 KansasMom

Ha! I'll upding that!

Thanks' I used to date a young lady whos purse was so heavy, it was scary, I never worked up the courage to see what she had in it, or didnt have in it.

48 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:07:23pm

re: #20 KansasMom

Backpacks are about to get much lighter.

Kids these days have it so easy! I remember very well, and not so fondly, carting all those books up all the stairs to class.
We didn't wear our backpacks over both shoulders then, that was waay to nerdy. So now I have one shoulder that is up higher and pushed further back than the other. Ya, that's so much cooler than using both straps!

Don't forget walking barefoot in 3 feet of snow.

49 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:07:41pm

re: #41 albusteve

I have an atlas of the USA in my head...I laugh at GPS...I'll find my own hotel thanks

I just have maps and compasses.

/Several compasses and a whole lot of maps.

cheers

eon

50 rightymouse  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:08:12pm

My boss has a Kindle. He loves it.

I'm hopeless with gadgets like that. Can barely manage the TV remote control.

Besides, nothing like curling up on the couch with a good book one can touch.

51 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:08:28pm

re: #41 albusteve

I have an atlas of the USA in my head...I laugh at GPS...I'll find my own hotel thanks

I work with an advanced miltary command and control system that uses moving map displays for soldiers. I refuse to use it to this day, preferring to read the squiggly contour lines on paper maps when I navigate. That's the way I was taught when I learned Land Navigation in the Army and I still prefer the old fashioned way.

52 KansasMom  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:08:41pm

re: #25 eon

I kept all my books in my locker, did all my homework in study hall, and at the end of the day, left everything but my personal effects in my locker and went home.

eon

It was college that killed my back. No lockers, a lot more walking, and the books got bigger!

53 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:08:59pm

re: #20 KansasMom

We didn't wear our backpacks over both shoulders then

Backpacks? Ha! What we would have given for some lovely backpacks (and then when we got home our father would beat us to sleep, etc.).

No, we had BOOKBAGS, specifically designed as torture devices.

54 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:09:28pm

re: #25 eon

I kept all my books in my locker, did all my homework in study hall, and at the end of the day, left everything but my personal effects in my locker and went home.

Yes, I got A's and B's.

And yes, everybody in the school hated me.

cheers

eon

You actually studied in study-hall?

55 Fenway_Nation  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:09:36pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dole Pineapple juice and Kamchatka Vodka.

56 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:09:46pm
Amazon.com Inc. on Wednesday plans to unveil a new version of its Kindle e-book reader with a larger screen and other features designed to appeal to periodical and academic textbook publishers, according to people familiar with the matter.

Beginning in the fall, some students at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland will be given large-screen Kindles

. . .

The new device will also feature a more fully functional Web browser

/next thing you know they'll invent the laptop

57 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:09:54pm

re: #49 eon

I just have maps and compasses.

/Several compasses and a whole lot of maps.

cheers

eon

Thing is, they don't give you live traffic updates.... which must be pretty handy. (Don't have a GPS unit yet, myself, I want to dang thing squeezed into my next gen iPhone.)

58 Fenway_Nation  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:10:01pm

re: #55 Fenway_Nation

That's when I'm out of either coca-cola or Bacardi Silver.

59 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:10:49pm

re: #53 Occasional Reader

Backpacks? Ha! What we would have given for some lovely backpacks (and then when we got home our father would beat us to sleep, etc.).

No, we had BOOKBAGS, specifically designed as torture devices.

In college, I used a duffle bag. Everybody assumed I was a jock.

/The more fools, they.

cheers

eon

60 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:11:08pm

Actually we'll probably be buying a couple soon... trip to Alaska, train ride through McKinley takes 12 hours, I told my wife I could get us Anchorage to FBKs in 3.5 hours in a rental Charger, but she wanted the train ride for some reason....

The Futurist has a really good article and survey on the creeping digitalization we going through due to Moore's law. I took the survey and ended up at 21+ before I had counted everything.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:11:48pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

/next thing you know they'll invent the laptop

... and then, a larger-format laptop, that sits permamently on your desk!

We'll call it the... top o' desk? Something like that...

62 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:12:46pm

re: #53 Occasional Reader

Backpacks? Ha! What we would have given for some lovely backpacks (and then when we got home our father would beat us to sleep, etc.).

No, we had BOOKBAGS, specifically designed as torture devices.

Ha! I would have killed for a bookbag. We had to use old paper sacks from the grocery store. With holes in the bottom. You think you had it bad......harumph.

63 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:12:48pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

... and then, a larger-format laptop, that sits permamently on your desk!

We'll call it the... top o' desk? Something like that...

Will wonders never cease?
;)

64 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:12:52pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

... and then, a larger-format laptop, that sits permamently on your desk!

We'll call it the... top o' desk? Something like that...

And then ... get this ... a computer SO BIG that several people can use it at once, from far away. It'll be like a main computer!

65 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:02pm

re: #51 LGoPs

I work with an advanced miltary command and control system that uses moving map displays for soldiers. I refuse to use it to this day, preferring to read the squiggly contour lines on paper maps when I navigate. That's the way I was taught when I learned Land Navigation in the Army and I still prefer the old fashioned way.

Ran into some rookie hikers a couple years ago.
Lost, GPS batteries had died.

Paper maps and compass don't need batteries.

I got my wife a GPS for the van, she's one of those who gets lost very easily. About 10% of the I have a better quicker route than the GPS.

66 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:04pm

re: #54 Soona'

You actually studied in study-hall?

Except when I was inflicting subtle but grievous bodily harm on various smart guys who kept trying to stop me from studying, yes.

/They rarely came back for a second helping.

cheers

eon

67 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #51 LGoPs

I work with an advanced military command and control system that uses moving map displays for soldiers. I refuse to use it to this day, preferring to read the squiggly contour lines on paper maps when I navigate. That's the way I was taught when I learned Land Navigation in the Army and I still prefer the old fashioned way.

The old fashion way doesn't need batteries unless it's night time. Then you might want the red light filter lens and a poncho.

68 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:31pm

re: #51 LGoPs

I work with an advanced miltary command and control system that uses moving map displays for soldiers. I refuse to use it to this day, preferring to read the squiggly contour lines on paper maps when I navigate. That's the way I was taught when I learned Land Navigation in the Army and I still prefer the old fashioned way.

I agree. Although, I will say it would have been nice to have had something else when it was raining hard.

69 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:32pm

re: #62 LGoPs

Ha! I would have killed for a bookbag. We had to use old paper sacks from the grocery store. With holes in the bottom. You think you had it bad......harumph.

Me have mammoth carry stone tablets. No big deal until Global Warming.

70 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:48pm

re: #62 LGoPs

Ha! I would have killed for a bookbag. We had to use old paper sacks from the grocery store. With holes in the bottom. You think you had it bad......harumph.

At least you had books.
Spoiled kids these days. :p

71 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:13:56pm
72 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:14:53pm

re: #67 Idle Drifter

The old fashion way doesn't need batteries unless it's night time. Then you might want the red light filter lens and a poncho.

I hope they still teach soldiers the old fashoined way.......just in case.
I'm not sure.

73 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:15:16pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

I can see where this could be useful, especially to college students. Carrying around a bookbag with three or four 1000 page text books across campus all day just plain sucks. It's hard on the books, too. They really aren't designed to last. If they fall apart when you use them, they don't have to buy them back, and the next student through the class will have to buy new books.

This might cut into that racket. The question is, will textbook vendors adopt this format? I bet they hate it.

Okay, but I have no way to highlight the text, do I? Then I will hate it, as I love to mark up my books to create memories for the information to hang on in my brain. I'm a visual, so I need those markers for me to remember.

If I can't do that with a Kindle, I can't use it.

74 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:15:38pm

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Thing is, they don't give you live traffic updates.... which must be pretty handy. (Don't have a GPS unit yet, myself, I want to dang thing squeezed into my next gen iPhone.)

traffic updates...my friends from north VA come visit here in NM and constantly try to figure a way to move here...they are so deep in and entrenched with debt it can't happen for them...they envy me...I don't do traffic updates...it's a clash of lifestyles

75 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #69 OldLineTexan

Me have mammoth carry stone tablets. No big deal until Global Warming.

LOL......
:)

76 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:15:59pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

I can see where this could be useful, especially to college students. Carrying around a bookbag with three or four 1000 page text books across campus all day just plain sucks. It's hard on the books, too. They really aren't designed to last. If they fall apart when you use them, they don't have to buy them back, and the next student through the class will have to buy new books.

This might cut into that racket. The question is, will textbook vendors adopt this format? I bet they hate it.

They don't put textbooks online now; they put additional learner materials, though. Some of the math textbook firms put extra homework problems on the web and "tools" to help you learn the material better. I find them pretty terrible, to be honest.

77 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:16:03pm

re: #68 Soona'

I agree. Although, I will say it would have been nice to have had something else when it was raining hard.

Self-adhesive clear "print protector" sheeting, and a grease pencil, always worked for me.

/Of course, I didn't have to worry about Army SOP, either.

cheers

eon

78 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:16:14pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

I can see where this could be useful, especially to college students. Carrying around a bookbag with three or four 1000 page text books across campus all day just plain sucks. It's hard on the books, too. They really aren't designed to last. If they fall apart when you use them, they don't have to buy them back, and the next student through the class will have to buy new books.

This might cut into that racket. The question is, will textbook vendors adopt this format? I bet they hate it.

I remember the happiest day of the year was when I could sell the damn textbooks back for a little pocket money. I guess they can't do that with the Kindle books.

79 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:16:22pm

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Thing is, they don't give you live traffic updates.... which must be pretty handy. (Don't have a GPS unit yet, myself, I want to dang thing squeezed into my next gen iPhone.)

iPhone G3 has GPS.

80 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:16:31pm

re: #64 OldLineTexan

And then ... get this ... a computer SO BIG that several people can use it at once, from far away. It'll be like a main computer!

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

81 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:17:16pm

Took a while, but a really pissed-off creationist finally popped up in the Melanie Phillips thread...

82 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:17:18pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

First Rule of Spaceships - Do NOT go outside. Duh.

/

83 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

HAL, open the airlock.

84 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:17:45pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Daisy....
Daisy

85 acwgusa  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:17:50pm

Call me when its color.

86 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:08pm

re: #81 Charles

Took a while, but a really pissed-off creationist finally popped up in the Melanie Phillips thread...

Melt down and flounce?

87 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:12pm

re: #67 Idle Drifter

The old fashion way doesn't need batteries unless it's night time. Then you might want the red light filter lens and a poncho.

Ever notice how poncho's never kept you dry. I think mine attracted water.

88 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:45pm

re: #65 jcm

Ran into some rookie hikers a couple years ago.
Lost, GPS batteries had died.

Paper maps and compass don't need batteries.

I got my wife a GPS for the van, she's one of those who gets lost very easily. About 10% of the I have a better quicker route than the GPS.

My wifes car has a GPS & we took it on a 1,000 mile read trip last summer. The thing kept telling me to get off one route about a hundred miles from where I would get off at the right exit.
Then it got huffy with me with a grating voice.
The thing is a know it all. I named it Oprah.

89 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:48pm

re: #79 jcm

iPhone G3 has GPS.

Yes, sorry, I misspoke; but if I'm not mistaken it's not yet fast enough to do voice turn by turn directions like a Garmin or Tom Tom.

Even my first gen iPhone does more or less decent "fake" GPS with cell tower/wifi triangulation.

90 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:56pm

re: #87 LGoPs

Ever notice how poncho's never kept you dry. I think mine attracted water.

No; they just limit how much water will collect in your lap. Or, in my son's case, on his laptray.

91 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:18:59pm

re: #77 eon

Self-adhesive clear "print protector" sheeting, and a grease pencil, always worked for me.

/Of course, I didn't have to worry about Army SOP, either.

cheers

eon

It's amazing what you can do if you have enough of those little laminating kits for a wallet size picture.

92 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #87 LGoPs

Ever notice how poncho's never kept you dry. I think mine attracted water.

damned thing are difficult to operate

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:19:20pm

Kindle III, The Quickening

Kindle IV, Son of Kindle

Kindle V, Enter the Kindle

Kindle VI, Electric Book-a-loo

Charles will own ever version.

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:20:14pm

Whotthehell ... off to the Phillips thread.

95 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:20:26pm
96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:20:38pm

re: #88 opnion

I would die without my GPS.

97 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #87 LGoPs

Ever notice how poncho's never kept you dry. I think mine attracted water.

From what I've seen, US military outerwear and backpacks have improved DRAMATICALLY in the past few years. The Marines even sourced their backpacks to fancy-schmancy producer Arc'Teryx (which is pretty much the Rolls-Royce of backpacks).

98 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:21:00pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would die without my GPS.

And cake.

99 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:21:08pm

re: #77 eon

Self-adhesive clear "print protector" sheeting, and a grease pencil, always worked for me.

/Of course, I didn't have to worry about Army SOP, either.

cheers

eon

Had all that. I still had problems looking for specific contour markers under large droplets of water.

100 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:21:19pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would die without my GPS.

haha!...slave

101 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:21:26pm

re: #98 DEZes

And cake.

Chocolate. Must. Have. Chocolate.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:21:27pm

Why do I continue to type ever instead of every almost ever time I try to type it.

103 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:22:05pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Reminds me of a weisenheimer who programmed the computer at my best bud, the E-5's, college, back in the mid-90s. If you input something in the wrong format (and it was picky about format), the first couple of times, it would give you the "illegal format" response.

The third time, it would print;

Don't make me go HAL 9000 on your a$$.

/2001 and Pulp Fiction fan, would be my guess.

cheers

eon

104 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:22:09pm

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do I continue to type ever instead of every almost ever time I try to type it.

Cake deficiency.

105 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #88 opnion

My wifes car has a GPS & we took it on a 1,000 mile read trip last summer. The thing kept telling me to get off one route about a hundred miles from where I would get off at the right exit.
Then it got huffy with me with a grating voice.
The thing is a know it all. I named it Oprah.

On my GPS, the voice interprets Dr (Drive) as doctor........

106 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #101 vxbush

Chocolate. Must. Have. Chocolate.

Rich, dark chocolate. I may have some here somewhere.

107 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #69 OldLineTexan

Me have mammoth carry stone tablets. No big deal until Global Warming.

Perfect TV ad would be to replace the monolith with the Kindle. If you can get the rights for it. Plus, I think it's already been done.

108 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:22:57pm

re: #99 Soona'

Had all that. I still had problems looking for specific contour markers under large droplets of water.

I'm just recalling the time we went 3k the wrong way in NTA on Okinawa because our squad leader couldn't tell the difference between mils and degrees on the compass.

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would die without my GPS.

Keep in mind...I have to find three new residential addresses every day.

110 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:21pm

re: #106 DEZes

Rich, dark chocolate. I may have some here somewhere.

Hand it over, or the computer gets it.

111 MacGregor  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:35pm
Looks like the first roll-out will be a test project for university students.

That's great news. Digitizing books will revolutionize education as long as they're easily book markable and quickly indexable in a research-friendly way for the students. My daughter likes kindle but not for school work yet. Younger students won't need to wrestle with books and sore backs.

I agree with Iron Fist. I bet the book / printing companies are going to fight this.

112 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:41pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would die without my GPS.

Ours is just nasty. I think that it has it in for me, you know like HAL in 2001.

113 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:45pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Cake deficiency.

Cake deficienc"E"

114 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:48pm

re: #97 Occasional Reader

From what I've seen, US military outerwear and backpacks have improved DRAMATICALLY in the past few years. The Marines even sourced their backpacks to fancy-schmancy producer Arc'Teryx (which is pretty much the Rolls-Royce of backpacks).

I think that's true. My memories are from Cold War days when out stuff was good but sorely lacking in certain regards like wet weather gear and boots mainly.

115 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:48pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Keep in mind...I have to find three new residential addresses every day.

Doesn't that violate your restraining order?

/

116 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:23:53pm
117 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:24:18pm

re: #105 LGoPs

On my GPS, the voice interprets Dr (Drive) as doctor........

We had a woman in Clear Lake prove that it is illegal to take a left turn on a Doctor (even if you're his wife and just caught him cheating).

/

118 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:24:25pm

re: #110 vxbush

Hand it over, or the computer gets it.

Ah, fudge.

119 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:25:10pm

re: #114 LGoPs

but sorely lacking in certain regards like wet weather gear and boots mainly.

Hell, the winter coats were still made of cotton, weren't they? "Cotton kills"... lousy idea!

Now they're GoreTex (invented by Al Gore, of course) with Primaloft insulation... again, top of the line stuff.

120 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:25:27pm

re: #73 vxbush

Okay, but I have no way to highlight the text, do I?

Kindle will highlight text.

/hell, most web browsers will highlight text now, although in law school, I needed four different colors for facts, issues, reasoning, holdings

121 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #118 DEZes

Ah, fudge.

Yup. That'll do.

[slurp]

122 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:25:51pm

re: #105 LGoPs

On my GPS, the voice interprets Dr (Drive) as doctor........

I rest my case, they are out to get us.

123 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:26:07pm

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do I continue to type ever instead of every almost ever time I try to type it.

Because you type it ever time typing.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:26:13pm

re: #115 Occasional Reader

Doesn't that violate your restraining order?

/

Lots of restraining orders. Didn't you see where I said "new addresses"?

125 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:27:05pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would die without my GPS.

I'm gonna ask if you're still alive ever time you say that.....
:)

126 vxbush  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:27:05pm

re: #120 Killian Bundy

Kindle will highlight text.

/hell, most web browsers will highlight text now, although in law school, I needed four different colors for facts, issues, reasoning, holdings

But I can't draw along the margin with my own figure that is what my brain would remember. Seriously; go back and look at the weird drawings in my books, and that's how I would always visualize the page and thus remember the axiom, theorem, lemma, or proof.

/yes, she is a math geek

127 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #116 Iron Fist

Not to mention what has happened with the M-4. If you watch the footage from Iraq, it is like everyone has their own, heavily customized version. It's not just a flat top and folding sights. Everything about it can be changed to suit the mission and/or personal preferences of the soldiers. I do wonder if they have to buy their own after-market accessories.

For now. The current Obama plan is to replace the M-4 with bouquets of military-grade polymer flowers, to be offered by outstretched hands to unclenched fists.

128 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:27:52pm

re: #114 LGoPs

I think that's true. My memories are from Cold War days when out stuff was good but sorely lacking in certain regards like wet weather gear and boots mainly.

The boots sucked really bad when it was cold and wet.

129 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:27:57pm

re: #87 LGoPs

Ever notice how poncho's never kept you dry. I think mine attracted water.

Ditto, the decades rot of exchanging hands to and from the supply depot.

130 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:28:02pm

re: #127 Occasional Reader

For now. The current Obama plan is to replace the M-4 with bouquets of military-grade polymer flowers, to be offered by outstretched hands to unclenched fists.

Have you seen the 40mm bouquet launcher?

/

131 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:28:36pm

re: #130 OldLineTexan

Have you seen the 40mm bouquet launcher?

/

It goes BLOOM.

132 Capitalistincharge  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:29:17pm

My 74 year old Mother loves her kindle. Maybe she'll get me one for my birthday!

133 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:29:48pm

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

You have to stay inside the Poncho Villa.

and never get outta the boat either

134 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #128 Soona'

The boots sucked really bad when it was cold and wet.

In Germany, the Army made an exception to policy and let soldiers wear German boots, IIRC. The German boots were much better.

135 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:29:52pm

re: #89 Occasional Reader

Yes, sorry, I misspoke; but if I'm not mistaken it's not yet fast enough to do voice turn by turn directions like a Garmin or Tom Tom.

Even my first gen iPhone does more or less decent "fake" GPS with cell tower/wifi triangulation.

Don't know about the speed of the iPhone GPS...

How fast do you drive anyway?

;-)

136 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:30:07pm

re: #130 OldLineTexan

Have you seen the 40mm bouquet launcher?

/

At least we're still decades ahead of Iran in Pick me up Bouquet Technology, though they are planning a new "World's #1 Mahdi" line which needs to be watched carefully

137 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:30:17pm

re: #130 OldLineTexan

Have you seen the 40mm bouquet launcher?

/

And if that fails, your backup weapon is of course your pistil.

138 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:30:25pm

Melanie Phillips says I'm "unhealthily obsessed with ID and creationism," then proceeds to write more than 2,000 words explaining ... well, nothing, really. She's deeply confused about the meaning of "science," and equates the acceptance of evolution with "intellectual fascism."

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

Looks like I hit a nerve.

(And of course, the stalkers are already showing up in the comments.)

139 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:30:31pm

re: #131 DEZes

It goes BLOOM.

I've seen it. Awesome. Every time I see it my jaw hits the flora!

140 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:30:57pm

re: #128 Soona'

The boots sucked really bad when it was cold and wet.

I don't know about the current boots... my impression is they've come a long way, too, but I don't know for sure.

141 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:31:00pm

re: #130 OldLineTexan

Have you seen the 40mm bouquet launcher?

/

re: #131 DEZes

It goes BLOOM.

LOL!

142 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:31:25pm

re: #126 vxbush

But I can't draw along the margin with my own figure that is what my brain would remember. Seriously; go back and look at the weird drawings in my books, and that's how I would always visualize the page and thus remember the axiom, theorem, lemma, or proof.

/yes, she is a math geek

Pretty sure you can make notes too.

Bookmarks and Annotations

By using the QWERTY keyboard, you can add annotations to text, just like you might write in the margins of a book. And because it is digital, you can edit, delete, and export your notes. Using the new 5-way controller, you can highlight and clip key passages and bookmark pages for future use. You'll never need to bookmark your last place in the book, because Kindle remembers for you and always opens to the last page you read.

/not sure about drawing

143 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:31:40pm

Here's an excellent quote from her deeply dishonest post:

Assuming that there was indeed dirty work at the Creationist crossroads over Of Pandas and People – so what?

Yeah! So what!

144 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:31:48pm

re: #138 Charles

Melanie Phillips says I'm "unhealthily obsessed with ID and creationis," then proceeds to write more than 2,000 words explaining ... well, nothing, really. She's deeply confused about the meaning of "science," and equates the acceptance of evolution with "intellectual fascism."

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

Looks like I hit a nerve.

(And of course, the stalkers are already showing up in the comments.)

you should ask her for a date...I think she likes you...women are funny like that

145 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:31:57pm

re: #135 jcm

Don't know about the speed of the iPhone GPS...

How fast do you drive anyway?

;-)

Speaking of that, and technology... Valentine One, baby. Good tech, right there.

146 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:32:36pm

re: #139 Truck Monkey

I've seen it. Awesome. Every time I see it my jaw hits the flora!

The one I saw, You had to petal around.

147 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #139 Truck Monkey

I've seen it. Awesome. Every time I see it my jaw hits the flora!

Awright...enough of this. Just leaf it alone.

148 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:33:38pm

I see you folks are going with the phloem today

149 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:34:43pm

re: #148 Shug

I see you folks are going with the phloem today

I tried to stem the tide, but couldn't.

150 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:34:47pm

Right wing hero, Joe the Plumber, is a bigot and and idiot.....
‘Joe the Plumber’ on Dobson, theocracy and GOP hypocrites
On the Constitution.....

God created us. As far as the government goes, the Founding Fathers based the Constitution off of Christian values. It goes hand-in-hand.


On queers.....

I personally still think it’s wrong. People don’t understand the dictionary—it’s called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It’s not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we’re supposed to do—what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we’re supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children.


No understanding of the first amendment....

We've lost our American history. Every state has "In God we trust" or "With God's help" in their constitution. God is recognized as, if you will, America's religion.


On taxes....

Get rid of the tax code we have. Implement a fair tax—make it a level playing ground.


What a douche.

151 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:35:04pm

Off to the gym...

152 wrenchwench  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:35:32pm

re: #149 Occasional Reader

I tried to stem the tide, but couldn't.

Leaf it alone....

153 quickjustice  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:35:46pm

Too bad about Melanie. She's done a lot of good work, but is dangerously deluded on this point.

154 MacGregor  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:35:48pm

re: #138 Charles

Hypeverbosity reminds me of bloated code. Totally inefficient and hard to debug.

155 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:35:53pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout


aren't his 15 minutes up yet?

156 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:36:06pm

re: #149 Occasional Reader

I tried to stem the tide, but couldn't.

What a prune.

157 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:36:09pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

It's also worth noting his defense of the slur "queers" was proudly printed in a "Christian" magazine.

158 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:36:16pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

Leaf it alone....

Maple he will....maple he won't.

159 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:36:54pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

It's also worth noting his defense of the slur "queers" was proudly printed in a "Christian" magazine.

Westboro baptist church bulletin?

160 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:37:42pm

re: #143 Charles

What I have also seen, however, is an attempt to shut down that argument by distorting and misrepresenting ID and defaming and intimidating its proponents.


She's using talking points from the Disco Institute.

161 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:37:43pm

re: #155 Shug

aren't his 15 minutes up yet?

About an hour ago.

162 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:38:17pm

re: #97 Occasional Reader

From what I've seen, US military outerwear and backpacks have improved DRAMATICALLY in the past few years. The Marines even sourced their backpacks to fancy-schmancy producer Arc'Teryx (which is pretty much the Rolls-Royce of backpacks).

The Army went back to the old LBE system for a while after the "Epic Fail" of MOLLE in Iraqi Freedom. I don't know what they're using now, but I suspect it's probably outsorced, same as the Corps.

cheers

eon

163 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #159 Shug

Westboro baptist church bulletin?

Isn't that just a post-it stuck on the fridge in the kitchen? Seems the whole "congregation" is just one family.

164 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:39:14pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Right wing hero, Joe the Plumber

/more like a lingering artifact of one of the worst run Presidential campaigns in American history

165 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:39:55pm

re: #164 Killian Bundy

/more like a lingering artifact of one of the worst run Presidential campaigns in American history

You're not saying he's a dingleberry on the ass of the American polity, are you?

166 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:40:28pm

re: #164 Killian Bundy

/more like a lingering artifact of one of the worst run Presidential campaigns in American history

It's a moot point now, but did it seem like McCain was really giving it his best efforts?

167 debutaunt  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:40:49pm

re: #106 DEZes

Rich, dark chocolate. I may have some here somewhere.

*fainting*

168 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:41:09pm

re: #147 LGoPs

Awright...enough of this. Just leaf it alone.

We need to stem these puns.

169 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:41:30pm

re: #166 opnion

It's a moot point now, but did it seem like McCain was really giving it his best efforts?

The GOP gave him the nomination the way, in a sane organization, you give the retiring guy a gold watch and a plaque.

170 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:41:38pm

re: #147 LGoPs

Awright...enough of this. Just leaf it alone.

You too, bud.

171 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:41:47pm

re: #168 MandyManners

We need to stem these puns.

They are a thorn in my side too.

172 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:41:49pm

re: #168 MandyManners

We need to stem these puns.

Quite the pistil, aren't we, Mandy?

173 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:03pm

re: #168 MandyManners

We need to stem these puns.

too late, they have taken root...

174 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:32pm

re: #169 Guanxi88

The GOP gave him the nomination the way, in a sane organization, you give the retiring guy a gold watch and a plaque.

Yeah, it did seem like a seniority promotion, a lot like Bob Dole.

175 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:40pm

She's definately getting her talking points from the Disco Institute....

the doctrine known variously as materialism or scientism – flies in the face of reason and evidence and seeks to commandeer the space previously reserved for the unknowable, or religion, which can sit very comfortably alongside science, as it does for so many.

Nobody describes themselves are a believer in Scientism or materialism. These are slurs based on an imaginary belief system invented by religious supremacists.

176 quickjustice  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:48pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Hey, match the slur of gays with a slur of Christians! Classy!/

177 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:42:48pm

re: #138 Charles

She's fully in their camp, cribbing a lot from the DI site, or being coached - it's got to be one of the above since she is parroting ID terminology direct from DI throughout that essay.

178 Fenway_Nation  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #173 brookly red

too late, they have taken root...

We gotta nip this in the bud.

179 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:43:20pm

re: #167 debutaunt

*fainting*

Quick, someone get me a chocolate kit.

180 meeshlr  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:43:59pm

I write all over my textbooks ... underlining, highlighting, comments, arrows, question marks ... I don't think that would so well on the Kindle.

Remember the dumb blond and the whiteout?

181 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:44:11pm

We really are a bunch of pistils!

182 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:44:27pm

re: #172 Guanxi88

Quite the pistil, aren't we, Mandy?

Shit. Beat me to it.

183 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:44:53pm

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

We gotta nip this in the bud.

Reminds me of a poem

How go on your flowers? None double?
Not one fruit-sort can you spy?
Strange! And I, too, at such trouble,
Keep them close-nipped on the sly!

184 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:45:10pm

re: #166 opnion

It's a moot point now, but did it seem like McCain was really giving it his best efforts?

/it doesn't really matter, he was a horrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign against an unstoppable Bonkey juggernaut, but he was the nominee, so what're ya gonna do besides move on now?

185 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:45:34pm

I don't have the stamena to keep this up. bbl

186 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:45:38pm

re: #174 opnion

Yeah, it did seem like a seniority promotion, a lot like Bob Dole.

conservative ideology is dead as an active force...they moved on, while I stay put..I'm not surprised, just very disappointed

187 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:45:47pm

re: #171 DEZes

They are a thorn in my side too.

Too many pricks?

188 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:45:48pm

re: #164 Killian Bundy

/more like a lingering artifact of one of the worst run Presidential campaigns in American history

His only claim to fame was to make Obama reveal his true goal for the US Economy....to take away from the producers and give to the non-producing. Tally Ho, Robin Hood

189 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:45:56pm

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

We gotta nip this in the bud.

yes, before it can germinate.

190 eon  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:46:22pm

Well, since the sun's going down, I have to fold up for the evening.

Good night, Lizards.

We'll all be up with the dew tomorrow, I'm sure.

cheers

eon

191 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:46:48pm

re: #179 DEZes

Quick, someone get me a chocolate kit.

got some Snickers in the freezer...

192 quickjustice  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:47:19pm

Long before the GOP Presidential primary, a GOP friend of mine in Arizona warned me that McCain was a horrible candidate. After his nomination, I supported him anyway.

193 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:47:32pm

re: #184 Killian Bundy

/it doesn't really matter, he was a horrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign against an unstoppable Bonkey juggernaut, but he was the nominee, so what're ya gonna do besides move on now?

Hopefuly a stronger more engaged candidate next time.
More closed primaries would help & maybe produce a nominee with
a good handle on the economy.

194 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:47:33pm

re: #187 Soona'

Too many pricks?

Like Kos kids on Sarah Pollen.

195 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:47:39pm

OT: Greetings! I bring you good news from Nevada!

Criminal charges filed against ACORN, two employees

Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto and Secretary of State Ross Miller announced Monday that voter registration fraud charges have been filed against an organization that works with low-income people and two of its employees in its Las Vegas office.

The complaint includes 26 counts of voter fraud and 13 counts for compensating those registering voters, both felonies.

The Association of Community Organization for Reform Now, Inc., also known as ACORN, operated a Las Vegas office that helped register low-income voters last year.

Throughout 2008, ACORN employed canvassers to register people to vote in Nevada, the complaint said. ACORN paid the canvassers between $8 and $9 an hour, but made continued employment and continued compensation based on the canvasser registering 20 voters per shift. Those who failed to sign up 20 voters per shift were terminated, the complaint said.

196 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:48:06pm

re: #192 quickjustice

Long before the GOP Presidential primary, a GOP friend of mine in Arizona warned me that McCain was a horrible candidate. After his nomination, I supported him anyway.

What choice did we have?

197 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #186 albusteve

conservative ideology is dead as an active force...they moved on, while I stay put..I'm not surprised, just very disappointed

Gotta get a winner next time.

198 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:48:18pm

re: #188 Desert Dog

His only claim to fame was to make Obama reveal his true goal for the US Economy....to take away from the producers and give to the non-producing. Tally Ho, Robin Hood

/didn't help any, it's now everyday reality

199 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #163 Guanxi88

Isn't that just a post-it stuck on the fridge in the kitchen? Seems the whole "congregation" is just one family.

Yep, one family.

Except for the black sheep, Phelp's own son; Nate Phelps.

Phelps' son speaks out

Nate Phelps, the estranged son of Fred Phelps, said the church's protests at the funerals of American soldiers killed in Iraq had driven him to speak out about his father's actions. Nate Phelps said he left home for good in 1980 after a terror-filled childhood in which Fred Phelps beat him and his siblings during outbursts of violence.
200 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:49:27pm

re: #192 quickjustice

Long before the GOP Presidential primary, a GOP friend of mine in Arizona warned me that McCain was a horrible candidate. After his nomination, I supported him anyway.

Your friend was right. But, like you, I supported him as well because the alternative was not my cup of tea.

He will face a challenge from the left in 2010. John Kyl (a good Senator) fought off some bazillionaire Democrat here last time. Arizona is not a guaranteed Republican seat any longer.

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:49:39pm

re: #196 Soona'

What choice did we have?

You could have written in Godzilla.

/duck

202 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:50:03pm

re: #199 jcm

Poor kid. Can you imagine having to call that frothing maniac "dad"?

203 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:50:21pm

re: #197 opnion

Gotta get a winner next time.

It's active. Don't lose faith.

204 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:50:33pm

re: #198 Killian Bundy

/didn't help any, it's now everyday reality

It won't sink into the lemmings little brains until they realize El Presidente has plans for their moolah as well.

205 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:50:48pm

re: #198 Killian Bundy

/didn't help any, it's now everyday reality

I still think someone's slipping LSD or something into my morning coffee. Things can't be as crazy as they look.

206 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:51:39pm

re: #201 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You could have written in Godzilla.

/duck

Luap Nor!
/ducking too

207 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:52:06pm

re: #196 Soona'

What choice did we have?

we had donks inside the primary wire...that has to stop...we had candidates that folded because the MSM iced them...that has to stop...in 2010 we will have lunatic creationists and Paulians on the ticket...that has to stop...who has the guts to step up and lead?....no one speaks for me except Newt and of course he's poison...what a fucked up mess

208 opnion  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:52:13pm

re: #203 Soona'

It's active. Don't lose faith.

It's a long way off & Obama might not have the same image. Still need a good candidate to talk sense on the economy.

209 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:52:27pm

re: #204 Desert Dog

It won't sink into the lemmings little brains until they realize El Presidente has plans for their moolah as well.

Didn't you hear? 0bama will make us all rich! (And it will only be later this year to boot!)

Youtube Video
210 brookly red  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:52:53pm

re: #205 Guanxi88

I still think someone's slipping LSD or something into my morning coffee. Things can't be as crazy as they look.

actually they are worse...

211 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:53:09pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

She's definately getting her talking points from the Disco Institute....

Nobody describes themselves are a believer in Scientism or materialism. These are slurs based on an imaginary belief system invented by religious supremacists.

Yes, she's definitely getting coached by the Discovery Institute, or has imbibed a LOT of their propaganda.

212 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:53:19pm

re: #199 jcm

Poor kid, I hope hell has a very warm spot reserved for Fred Phelps.

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:53:39pm

re: #206 Soona'

Luap Nor!
/ducking too

Don't worry, folks.
This exchange with Soona' is just a blimp on the radar scream.

/"PIMF" my *ss !

214 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:53:48pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Right wing hero, Joe the Plumber, is a bigot and and idiot.....
‘Joe the Plumber’ on Dobson, theocracy and GOP hypocrites
On the Constitution.....


What a douche.

I cringed when Malkin started promoting this guy as a journalist and conservative spokesperson.

Had I even suspected how over the top his comments would be, I would have cringed harder.

215 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:53:56pm

re: #210 brookly red

actually they are worse...

See, this is one of those cases where I feel like Chuck Heston, in Planet of the Apes. I got knocked out in a corn field somewhere, and I wake up to see a gorilla riding a horse. It's just plain nuts, and I have no idea how it happened, or where I am.

216 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:54:19pm

re: #3 OldLineTexan

This thing had better be RUGGED. I could tell you some amazing stories about private high schools issuing laptops and what happened to them.

Old Line Texan -

For what Amazon charges for their KINDLE reader, I suggest they contact Matsushita (Pronounced MATT-SUSH-TAH), a/k/a Panasonic to produce the "Tough-Book" of Electo-Books. Bet they would do a really good job, until...,
a story for another day.

-S-

217 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:54:24pm

re: #212 DEZes

Poor kid, I hope hell has a very warm spot reserved for Fred Phelps.

Motel 666: They left a light on for him.

218 onslow  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:54:24pm

Joba's mother faces drug charges

219 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:54:45pm

re: #117 OldLineTexan

She just accidentally drove over him 4 times.

220 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:55:11pm

Eight years of pent up BDS and the economy falling off the cliff on cue pretty much sealed the deal.

/we got change all right and you can believe it

221 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:55:32pm

re: #217 Guanxi88

Motel 666: They left a light on for him.

OOO!
*ducking as that one went past*

222 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #208 opnion

It's a long way off & Obama might not have the same image. Still need a good candidate to talk sense on the economy.

I'm hoping that the zero's image changes. It's already changing with some people I know that worshipped him during the election. He's starting to touch too many people with stinky fingers.

223 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:55:57pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Right wing hero, Joe the Plumber, is a bigot and and idiot.....
‘Joe the Plumber’ on Dobson, theocracy and GOP hypocrites

Wow. That's really bad stuff. The lefty blogs are going to go nuts over that.

224 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:15pm

re: #219 FamHistoryGuy

She just accidentally drove over him 4 times.

Like Blackadder's oponent in the Parliamentary elections, who accidentally stabbed himself in the back while shaving, eh?

Youtube Video
225 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:16pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

Eight years of pent up BDS and the economy falling off the cliff on cue pretty much sealed the deal.

/we got change all right and you can believe it

Killian Bundy -

Lately, "Change" predominates MY Pocket.

-S-

226 Empire1  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:39pm

re: #186 albusteve

conservative ideology is dead as an active force...they moved on, while I stay put..I'm not surprised, just very disappointed

Yeah, same here. Drat it.

227 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:44pm

re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OOO!
*ducking as that one went past*

Was a good en.

228 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:47pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

Eight years of pent up BDS and the economy falling off the cliff on cue pretty much sealed the deal.

/we got change all right and you can believe it

I'm keeping my passport current...I don't know how much I can take, and I think the economy will worsen yet

229 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:57pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

She's definately getting her talking points from the Disco Institute....

Nobody describes themselves are a believer in Scientism or materialism. These are slurs based on an imaginary belief system invented by religious supremacists.

I was reminded of pedantic cartography while reading her rhetorical introspection. She end her short fluff piece by mentioning to academics with no knowledge of biology, geology, or other hard sciences: Steve Fuller, sociologist, and Antony Flew philosopher. Laughably, the article by Steve Fuller ends with what looks like a personal ad in which we learn that he "likes running, traveling, and is currently dating."

230 formercorpsman  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:56:58pm

I've contemplated getting a device like this.

If anyone wishes to answer me, thank you.

Would something like this allow you to read more efficiently? Less eye strain?

Just curious on some of the liner notes which might sway my opinion.

231 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:57:21pm

re: #186 albusteve

conservative ideology is dead as an active force...they moved on, while I stay put..I'm not surprised, just very disappointed

Naaah, we are just one flashy well spoken empty suit away from getting back into power. The Dems have been winning because people got sick of Bush and because Obama has more gravitational charisma than Jupiter. It wasn't policy that got them here, it was weariness from Bush and the Republican rule. They have their time now, and the public will get sick of them too. Especially when Obama's spending and corporate take over scheme's start sinking in. If the economy is not humming along, if we are getting pushed around by every two-bit thug in the world, if your paycheck starts buying less and less and less because inflation has reared it's ugly head once again, and the Dems cannot do what they have done since Clinton left - BLAME BUSH, they too will be shown the door. Now, the question is, will there be a Republican Party here to clean up after the mess? I hope so....

232 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:57:38pm

re: #228 albusteve

I'm keeping my passport current...I don't know how much I can take, and I think the economy will worsen yet

Going the old "Krugerrands in the shoes and diamonds elsewhere" route, are we?

233 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:58:17pm

re: #214 SixDegrees

As many have pointed out his star is fading. Sadly, he's been eclipsed by Glenn Beck, et al. Conservative's instincts are leading them in very bad directions lately.

234 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:58:57pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

As many have pointed out his star is fading. Sadly, he's been eclipsed by Glenn Beck, et al. Conservative's instincts are leading them in very bad directions lately.

It's like when a marriage or other long-term relationship goes sideways; decisions made on the rebound are generally poor ones.

235 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:59:13pm

re: #223 Charles

Yeah, I had to follow links from Dkos and huffpo to get to the original article. Very bad.

236 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:59:15pm

re: #232 Guanxi88

Going the old "Krugerrands in the shoes and diamonds elsewhere" route, are we?

I've taken to hiding my lupins

237 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:59:34pm

re: #212 DEZes

Poor kid, I hope hell has a very warm spot reserved for Fred Phelps.

Phelps is one of those folks who gets me worked up.

That's because his actions, are so patently un-Christian, his selective use of Biblical passages isn't in keeping with the Bible itself.

As a Christian I find him indefensible, and the cause of much harm.

238 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

Heh. Good analogy.

239 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:00:14pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've taken to hiding my lupins

Your lupins or your life!

240 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Heh. Good analogy.

Arrived at through painful experience.

241 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:00:55pm

re: #231 Desert Dog

Naaah, we are just one flashy well spoken empty suit away from getting back into power. The Dems have been winning because people got sick of Bush and because Obama has more gravitational charisma than Jupiter. It wasn't policy that got them here, it was weariness from Bush and the Republican rule. They have their time now, and the public will get sick of them too. Especially when Obama's spending and corporate take over scheme's start sinking in. If the economy is not humming along, if we are getting pushed around by every two-bit thug in the world, if your paycheck starts buying less and less and less because inflation has reared it's ugly head once again, and the Dems cannot do what they have done since Clinton left - BLAME BUSH, they too will be shown the door. Now, the question is, will there be a Republican Party here to clean up after the mess? I hope so....

personally I do not believe BO will be re-elected and he is doomed to failure...if that is so then the GOP will prevail but I'm not sure I want to identify with them anymore...it's getting to me and I'm just a simple patriot with one conservative vote...they are cutting me out of the deal...so be it...nice post tho

242 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:01:13pm

re: #232 Guanxi88

Going the old "Krugerrands in the shoes and diamonds elsewhere" route, are we?

yes

243 Kragar  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:03:04pm

re: #239 Guanxi88

Your lupins or your life!

The murdering blackguard! He's taken all our lupins!

244 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:03:07pm

re: #242 albusteve

yes

Romani are known to sew cash into quilted vests' but with the little tags in them now, and the probable future decline of the USD, maybe not such a good idea. Bedouin et al used to drill coins for jewelry and portable wealth; Vikings and the Norse had hacksilver. All viable options.

245 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:03:35pm

re: #228 albusteve

I can take, and I think the economy will worsen yet

The Chrysler bankruptcy could be a good barometer.

It's clear that TOTUS, Inc. is trying to overrun well settled bankruptcy law concerning capital structure. Allegedly even threatening parties trying to assert their legal lien rights.

/the first real salvos were fired in court today, we'll see if the rule of law still exists in this country

246 Jimash  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:03:44pm

re: #230 formercorpsman

The Kindle is nice.
It isn't very eye-strainey because of the "electronic paper" but NO color.
It is a very half assed internet device and I don't know about email, but it does play music and it can download a new book from almost anywhere. That s the big thing.

247 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:04:03pm

re: #242 albusteve

yes

Remember, though: skills are one thing they can't confiscate at the border. Not yet, anyway.

248 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:04:09pm

re: #237 jcm

Phelps is one of those folks who gets me worked up.

That's because his actions, are so patently un-Christian, his selective use of Biblical passages isn't in keeping with the Bible itself.

As a Christian I find him indefensible, and the cause of much harm.

His harassment of our soldiers families is more than enough to hope I never meet the SOB face to face.

249 sattv4u2  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #231 Desert Dog

we are just one flashy well spoken empty suit away from getting back into power.

Sorry, but the MSM doesn't give 'conservative flashy well spoken empty suits" a pass. I can't think of one.
Meamwhile, there are a plethora of them on the left that the media fawns over

250 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:04:24pm

re: #223 Charles

Wow. That's really bad stuff. The lefty blogs are going to go nuts over that.

It's like tossing them raw meat.

Unfortunately, many on the right side of the blogosphere will start trying to rationalize his statements, instead of repudiating them.

251 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:04:51pm

re: #248 DEZes

His harassment of our soldiers families is more than enough to hope I never meet the SOB face to face.

So long as you stay outta Hell, you should be fine. He stepped on a rainbow and went to his final reward.

252 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:05:03pm

re: #230 formercorpsman

I've contemplated getting a device like this.

If anyone wishes to answer me, thank you.

Would something like this allow you to read more efficiently? Less eye strain?

Just curious on some of the liner notes which might sway my opinion.

formercorpsman -

As I see it, the "BIG KINDLE" will reduce Shelf Space otherwise taken by Books with pages made of trees. Unless technology is improved, and I am unaware, the "BIG KINDLE" will be Black and White only. B+W is ok, my Default Printer is an HP L-J P1006. 80+ percent of the time it is enough. For those "other times" when color is better, I use an Epson CX5800F AIO. So far, the Amazon Kindle is B+W only so far as I am aware. That is all.

-S-

253 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:05:04pm

I was off work today..What the Hoopster learned today..
1. Sure are alot of Baby commercials on daytime TV. I saw a thousand diaper commercials today..Babies are still big business..And lots of cute as can be babies on TV..If they had one driving a Hummer today..I might have bought it.
2. There are only so many Law and order shows any person can tolerate..
3. They show the same ESPN at 8am as they do at 4 pm..
4. Being off work on a Monday is over rated...I got bored and emailed people half the day..

254 formercorpsman  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:05:16pm

re: #246 Jimash

I would imagine it has some capability like an adobe document to read out loud?

255 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #248 DEZes

His harassment of our soldiers families is more than enough to hope I never meet the SOB face to face.

God Hates Phelps

256 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:06:03pm

re: #251 Guanxi88

So long as you stay outta Hell, you should be fine. He stepped on a rainbow and went to his final reward.

He passed, That I did not know.
And thats all I will say.

257 sattv4u2  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:06:57pm

re: #251 Guanxi88

So long as you stay outta Hell, you should be fine. He stepped on a rainbow and went to his final reward.

Kinky Freidman fan , are you?

258 itellu3times  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:00pm

Introducing Eldnik, the device that reads books for you!

259 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:08pm

re: #244 Guanxi88

Romani are known to sew cash into quilted vests' but with the little tags in them now, and the probable future decline of the USD, maybe not such a good idea. Bedouin et al used to drill coins for jewelry and portable wealth; Vikings and the Norse had hacksilver. All viable options.

I have a small pile of SA Ks...how to off them is an entirely different matter

260 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:16pm

re: #241 albusteve

personally I do not believe BO will be re-elected and he is doomed to failure...if that is so then the GOP will prevail but I'm not sure I want to identify with them anymore...it's getting to me and I'm just a simple patriot with one conservative vote...they are cutting me out of the deal...so be it...nice post tho

Well, he is all in with his policies. It'll be a huge payoff or he'll be bust. Pretty daring, if you ask me. He still walks on water for about 1/2 of the voters. He will have to stink it up pretty bad to lose, I think. And, if the Republicans nominate another one like McCain, I might start thinking the Republicans are dead. We need to start looking for a counter to Obama....one with viable electability.

261 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:22pm

re: #257 sattv4u2

Kinky Freidman fan , are you?

Love the guy; never would vote for him, but love his work.

262 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:38pm

re: #241 albusteve

personally I do not believe BO will be re-elected and he is doomed to failure...if that is so then the GOP will prevail but I'm not sure I want to identify with them anymore...it's getting to me and I'm just a simple patriot with one conservative vote...they are cutting me out of the deal...so be it...nice post tho

Even by 2010 the political winds will be in full change. I doubt that anyone will be getting away with expressing sacrifice as a means of correcting the economy. We may get some fiscal consevatives into congress, which will help, but nothing drastic will happen until we start recognizing the advantages of having real conservatives running the government.

263 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:47pm
264 UFO TOFU  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:07:47pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops

Being off work on a Monday is over rated..


Did you just say that out loud?

265 sattv4u2  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:08:08pm

re: #261 Guanxi88

Love the guy; never would vote for him, but love his work.

Same here. I have one shelf on my bookcase that has nothing but his books on it

266 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:08:33pm

Fred Phelps isn't dead unless you count as being brain dead

re: #256 DEZes

He passed, That I did not know.
And thats all I will say.

267 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:08:45pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

Conservative's instincts are leading them in very bad directions lately.

/your concern is touching

268 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:09:30pm

re: #248 DEZes

His harassment of our soldiers families is more than enough to hope I never meet the SOB face to face.

At the risk of the wrath of Stinky I'd happily spend a few night in jail.

269 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:09:32pm

re: #259 albusteve

I have a small pile of SA Ks...how to off them is an entirely different matter

I knew a fellow who put them into his shoes, but that was a long time ago. These days, I think you;d have to have them made into something plain looking (a comb, maybe, or a manicure set) to bring them out unnoticed.

270 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:09:32pm

re: #245 Killian Bundy

The Chrysler bankruptcy could be a good barometer.

It's clear that TOTUS, Inc. is trying to overrun well settled bankruptcy law concerning capital structure. Allegedly even threatening parties trying to assert their legal lien rights.

/the first real salvos were fired in court today, we'll see if the rule of law still exists in this country

indeed...I'm not bound by debt or responsibility to anyone other than myself...I will not live in a veiled social society...I'm prepared to move on

271 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:09:32pm

re: #267 Killian Bundy

You're welcome.

272 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:09:38pm

re: #266 Shug

Fred Phelps isn't dead unless you count as being brain dead

So his final reward is still in wait.

273 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:09:41pm

re: #264 UFO TOFU

Did you just say that out loud?

It's the cold beer and warm chicken! LOL

274 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:10:53pm

re: #272 DEZes

So his final reward is still in wait.

What does it say about me that I was so sure this guy was dead?

275 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:11:45pm

re: #237 jcm

Phelps is one of those folks who gets me worked up.

That's because his actions, are so patently un-Christian, his selective use of Biblical passages isn't in keeping with the Bible itself.

As a Christian I find him indefensible, and the cause of much harm.

I was listening to the radio this morning, forget which talk show, but Nate Phelps, son of the monster, has left the family and is now struggling to embrace normal life.

276 debutaunt  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:11:48pm

re: #269 Guanxi88

I knew a fellow who put them into his shoes, but that was a long time ago. These days, I think you;d have to have them made into something plain looking (a comb, maybe, or a manicure set) to bring them out unnoticed.

Melt them down into the shape of a wheelbarrow.

277 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:12:02pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops

"Being off work on a Monday is over rated"

Take two six packs and call me in the morning.

278 formercorpsman  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:12:21pm

re: #252 Dr. Shalit

Thank you.

279 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:13:22pm

re: #269 Guanxi88

I knew a fellow who put them into his shoes, but that was a long time ago. These days, I think you;d have to have them made into something plain looking (a comb, maybe, or a manicure set) to bring them out unnoticed.

they are in Jamaica buried on my land...I could easily be killed for what they are worth...Jamaicans don't fuck around...nothing is easy anymore

280 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:13:24pm

re: #274 Guanxi88

What does it say about me that I was so sure this guy was dead?

Honest mistake. ;)

281 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:13:30pm

This thread...is rapidly going dead
Much as I try
There's not a thought in my head
Lest it pick up soon
I'm heading off to bed

282 Wendya  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:14:00pm

re: #60 Thanos

I took the survey and ended up at 21+ before I had counted everything.

I love new technology when it's useful to me personally. The one exception is the cell phone. Although I have to carry one 24/7 for business, I hate the son of a bitch.

283 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:14:03pm

re: #275 Alouette

I was listening to the radio this morning, forget which talk show, but Nate Phelps, son of the monster, has left the family and is now struggling to embrace normal life.

Sadly, his defection will only serve to give his father more publicity. I wish Nate well, however.

284 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:14:07pm

re: #281 LGoPs

This thread...is rapidly going dead
Much as I try
There's not a thought in my head
Lest it pick up soon
I'm heading off to bed

I'm just getting started!

285 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:14:54pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

As many have pointed out his star is fading. Sadly, he's been eclipsed by Glenn Beck, et al. Conservative's instincts are leading them in very bad directions lately.

Not instincts, loss of the vision of the core principals.

Life.
Liberty.
Property.

Core conservationism does not, does not need to, should not pandering to any group.

The (D)s are built on pandering, a political ponzi scheme. Core values are immutable principals and is self evident, when properly articulated.

No one on the (R) side is articulating the core values.

286 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:15:05pm

re: #284 HoosierHoops

I'm just getting started!

Well you've been off all day....
:)

287 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:15:12pm

re: #280 DEZes

Honest mistake. ;)

I hope that's it, and not a case of wishful thinking.

288 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:15:26pm

re: #282 Wendya

I love new technology when it's useful to me personally. The one exception is the cell phone. Although I have to carry one 24/7 for business, I hate the son of a bitch.

Yes, the son of bitchin' electronic leash. I have one of the best most flexible phones ever, it's got all the toys and widgets, but I hate it none the less.

289 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:15:48pm

re: #279 albusteve

they are in Jamaica buried on my land...I could easily be killed for what they are worth...Jamaicans don't fuck around...nothing is easy anymore

Where in Jamaica?

290 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:16:18pm

re: #275 Alouette

I was listening to the radio this morning, forget which talk show, but Nate Phelps, son of the monster, has left the family and is now struggling to embrace normal life.

I linked a Nate Phelps article up thread.....

Takes lots of courage to speak out publicly.

291 UFO TOFU  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:16:22pm

re: #273 HoosierHoops

It's the cold beer and warm chicken! LOL

I was taught in kindergarten that you mustn't eat in front of the class unless you brought enough for everyone.

What kind of beer?

292 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:16:30pm
293 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:18:10pm

re: #289 Soona'

Where in Jamaica?

you want my gold?...I own Fig Tree Hill above Cave on the south shore...look it up...it's there

294 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:19:40pm

Arlen Specter really has lost his mind. He actually suggests that the GOP agenda was somehow partially responsible for Jack Kemp's death:

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Voters of Pennsylvania ... please take note of this madness ...

295 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:20:03pm

re: #241 albusteve

personally I do not believe BO will be re-elected and he is doomed to failure...if that is so then the GOP will prevail but I'm not sure I want to identify with them anymore...it's getting to me and I'm just a simple patriot with one conservative vote...they are cutting me out of the deal...so be it...nice post tho

Actually, I would hate to be the Republican to follow after Obama's first term, if such a thing as non-reelection happens. By the next term, if Obama, or the next Administration, the ginormous debt will be taking its toll and the only way to pump that much revenue to service that much debt will be equally ginormous tax increases. And "wealthy" will pretty much be defined by anyone with a job.

296 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:20:19pm

I suspect that (perhaps?) Melanie Phillips doesn't truly understand where the interjection of "supernatural forces" as explanatory devices would lead "science." Does she understand this? (Isn't there out there -- at MIT -- some introductory science course on how to critically ascertain the difference between pseudoscience and actual science? what constitutes good research as opposed to bogus "research?" btw, some of this -- cosmology, for example -- is fascinating to debate and think about -- but only so long as one remembers that it's philosophy -- not science...(I recall debating/arguing about "the antrhopic principle" many years ago -- but again, it's outside the purview of science... wiki article here..)

297 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:20:32pm

re: #282 Wendya

I love new technology when it's useful to me personally. The one exception is the cell phone. Although I have to carry one 24/7 for business, I hate the son of a bitch.

Wendya -

Were it "Phone Only" - ME THREE. It is the other stuff that keeps me mildly in love with my Moto Q-9.

-s-

298 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:20:35pm

re: #291 UFO TOFU

I was taught in kindergarten that you mustn't eat in front of the class unless you brought enough for everyone.

What kind of beer?

Bud light...I don't want to get fat...
Another thing I noticed today..Starting on the Today show this morning..wher they gave everybody a big foam finger with the Star Trek movie shamelessly promoted..All day long I've seen Trailers for the movie...

299 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:20:48pm

re: #293 albusteve

you want my gold?...I own Fig Tree Hill above Cave on the south shore...look it up...it's there

No, I don't want your gold. So is it rocky or loose soil?
//

300 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:21:55pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Bud light...I don't want to get fat...
Another thing I noticed today..Starting on the Today show this morning..wher they gave everybody a big foam finger with the Star Trek movie shamelessly promoted..All day long I've seen Trailers for the movie...

You gonna go see the new Trek movie?

301 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:22:36pm

re: #285 jcm

No one on the (R) side is articulating believes in the core values.

FTFY

302 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:23:38pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Bud light...I don't want to get fat...
Another thing I noticed today..Starting on the Today show this morning..wher they gave everybody a big foam finger with the Star Trek movie shamelessly promoted..All day long I've seen Trailers for the movie...

Hoo-Hoo -

Eat less cake/bread/pasta and drink REAL BEER - you will feel better.

-S-

303 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:24:34pm

re: #143 Charles

Here's an excellent quote from her deeply dishonest post:

Yeah! So what!

She's an anti-vaxxer, so lying to prove a "scientific" argument isn't any big deal to her. Yuck.

304 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:25:04pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Bud light...I don't want to get fat...
Another thing I noticed today..Starting on the Today show this morning..wher they gave everybody a big foam finger with the Star Trek movie shamelessly promoted..All day long I've seen Trailers for the movie...


Hoosier ... I am genuinely concerned for your mental health after your hours of TV time today. Please back away from the Jerry Springer show and come back to us. Let's talk basketball ... we need you back with us!

305 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:25:12pm

re: #302 Dr. Shalit

Hoo-Hoo -

Eat less cake/bread/pasta and drink REAL BEER - you will feel better.

-S-

It good for whatever ales you.

306 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:25:32pm

re: #299 Soona'

No, I don't want your gold. So is it rocky or loose soil?
//

the whole island is limestone covered with rich soil...I grow bananas...need some? make you a deal!....haha!... the locals just take them for themselves...I can grow anything on my land...it's been used as pasture for many years...clumps of huge trees here and there....pretty cool really, and the view is unreal from up there....I can see 100 miles of horizon easily

307 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:26:17pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

As many have pointed out his star is fading. Sadly, he's been eclipsed by Glenn Beck, et al. Conservative's instincts are leading them in very bad directions lately.

You find it sad that Joe the Plumber's star is fading?

308 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:26:20pm

Classiness on display for Seattle May Day March.

Stop Swine Flu. Kill a Cop

One of the groups that organized Friday's Seattle May Day march "for workers' rights" is the communist-front group ANSWER. So it should come as no surprise to anyone the hatred that spewed forth at the rally.

One of the signs at the Seattle rally was particularly reprehensible. It was plain-as-day to read in the print edition of the Times - it was on the front page of the local section. It's a little more difficult to read in the online edition so we've circled it in the photo below. The sign reads "Stop Swine Flu. Kill a Cop".

309 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:26:42pm

Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?

A prolonged lull in solar activity has astrophysicists glued to their telescopes waiting to see what the sun will do next—and how Earth's climate might respond.

The sun is the least active it's been in decades and the dimmest in a hundred years. The lull is causing some scientists to recall the Little Ice Age, an unusual cold spell in Europe and North America, which lasted from about 1300 to 1850.

The coldest period of the Little Ice Age, between 1645 and 1715, has been linked to a deep dip in solar storms known as the Maunder Minimum.

/ruh roh, has TOTUS approved this?

310 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:27:01pm

re: #308 jcm

Classiness on display for Seattle May Day March.

Stop Swine Flu. Kill a Cop

International ANSWER is a terrorist organization.

311 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #305 LGoPs

It good for whatever ales you.

Hoops says something silly and every one hopps all over him.
I can barly take it anymore.

312 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:11pm

re: #311 DEZes

Hoops says something silly and every one hopps all over him.
I can barly take it anymore.


Good one, Bud

313 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:25pm

re: #307 funky chicken

No, it's sad that Glenn Beck is so popular.

314 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:28pm

re: #309 Killian Bundy

Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?

/ruh roh, has TOTUS approved this?

STOP CLIMATE CHANGE!
Kill Maunder!

////

315 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:33pm

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

Arlen Specter really has lost his mind. He actually suggests that the GOP agenda was somehow partially responsible for Jack Kemp's death:

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Voters of Pennsylvania ... please take note of this madness ...

Hey, they re-elected Jack Murtha after he called them all a bunch of racist rednecks, so I don't have much hope for them.

316 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:37pm

re: #308 jcm

Classiness on display for Seattle May Day March.

Stop Swine Flu. Kill a Cop

One of the groups that organized Friday's Seattle May Day march "for workers' rights" is the communist-front group ANSWER. So it should come as no surprise to anyone the hatred that spewed forth at the rally.
One of the signs at the Seattle rally was particularly reprehensible. It was plain-as-day to read in the print edition of the Times - it was on the front page of the local section. It's a little more difficult to read in the online edition so we've circled it in the photo below. The sign reads "Stop Swine Flu. Kill a Cop".


Be a damned shame if that person had an accident.......
Just sayin'

317 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:28:58pm

re: #312 _RememberTonyC

Good one, Bud

Are you making lite of me?

318 UFO TOFU  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:29:12pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Bud light...I don't want to get fat...


Good thinking, try one of these. At eleven point something ounces this a light beer...

319 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #300 DEZes

You gonna go see the new Trek movie?

errrr..no my friend..I never got into the Star Wars, Star Trek, The ring movie thing.
Yet..I've seen We are Marshall a thousand times..And I still cry at the end!

320 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:30:10pm

re: #306 albusteve

the whole island is limestone covered with rich soil...I grow bananas...need some? make you a deal!....haha!... the locals just take them for themselves...I can grow anything on my land...it's been used as pasture for many years...clumps of huge trees here and there....pretty cool really, and the view is unreal from up there....I can see 100 miles of horizon easily

Do you have a house also?

321 DEZes  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:30:10pm

re: #319 HoosierHoops

errrr..no my friend..I never got into the Star Wars, Star Trek, The ring movie thing.
Yet..I've seen We are Marshall a thousand times..And I still cry at the end!

Egad, we gotta talk. ;)

322 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:30:28pm

re: #303 funky chicken

She's an anti-vaxxer, so lying to prove a "scientific" argument isn't any big deal to her. Yuck.

funky chicken -

The only thing anti-vaxxer's have is a tenuous claim that preservative in the "vax" - MIGHT CAUSE AUTISM in young children. Otherwise, they are complete LUDDITES! That is al.

-S-

323 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:31:22pm

re: #304 _RememberTonyC

Hoosier ... I am genuinely concerned for your mental health after your hours of TV time today. Please back away from the Jerry Springer show and come back to us. Let's talk basketball ... we need you back with us!

LOL
What about them Celtics? WOW! The Bulls are going to be monsters next year..

324 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:32:01pm

re: #315 funky chicken

Hey, they re-elected Jack Murtha after he called them all a bunch of racist rednecks, so I don't have much hope for them.


ugh ... good point ...

325 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:32:11pm

re: #310 Shug

International ANSWER is a terrorist organization.

You catch the Seattle Times caption for the photo?

Marchers pour down Seneca Street as they march toward Second Avenue in Friday's May Day march, which was a rally for immigration as well as an end to war, hatred and racism and rights for workers and gays.
326 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:33:10pm

re: #320 Soona'

Do you have a house also?

no...but I have a plan...there is water and electric very nearby and that's most of the value of it...water and electric can be very difficult to arrange down there...it's third world and I love it

327 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:33:18pm

re: #323 HoosierHoops

LOL
What about them Celtics? WOW! The Bulls are going to be monsters next year..


yeah ... I'm getting ready for the Magic/Celts in 30 minutes. The Bulls need to resign Ben Gordon or they'll take a step back. Joakim Noah is a punk!

328 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:33:47pm

re: #305 LGoPs

It good for whatever ales you.

LGoPs -

I PREFER MALT LIQUOR - AND - all 'y'all got the right idea. Remember, every time you see "Rx" - you are seeing the shorthand for HORUS, the Egyptian diety. HORUS' basic Prescription was BEER! That is enough.

-S-

329 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:34:19pm

re: #317 DEZes

Are you making lite of me?


nope, but I sure hope there's some head in your future

330 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:35:02pm

They said pigs would fly before the USA elected an African-American president.

Now we have an African-American president . . . and swine flu!

331 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:35:11pm

re: #326 albusteve

no...but I have a plan...there is water and electric very nearby and that's most of the value of it...water and electric can be very difficult to arrange down there...it's third world and I love it

Geez. If I had a setup like that, I'd be thinking of moving too.

332 debutaunt  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:36:11pm

re: #306 albusteve

the whole island is limestone covered with rich soil...I grow bananas...need some? make you a deal!....haha!... the locals just take them for themselves...I can grow anything on my land...it's been used as pasture for many years...clumps of huge trees here and there....pretty cool really, and the view is unreal from up there....I can see 100 miles of horizon easily

Where, exactly, is the cave located?

333 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:36:30pm

re: #330 gmsc

They said pigs would fly before the USA elected an African-American president.

Now we have an African-American president . . . and swine flu!

LOL! Very good. (I'm even ding'n ya' up for that one)

334 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:36:38pm

re: #327 _RememberTonyC

yeah ... I'm getting ready for the Magic/Celts in 30 minutes. The Bulls need to resign Ben Gordon or they'll take a step back. Joakim Noah is a punk!

Did you see Noah steal the ball..60 feet from the basket..Dribble exactly 3 times and jam the ball home? I have never seen a play like that..I've never seen MJ do that..The Doctor..Nobody..Period..Noah may well end up a superstar..That boy can play!

335 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:38:15pm

re: #218 onslow

Joba's mother faces drug charges


OK let's review the yankee rap sheet ...

1. Joba's Mom
2. Joba's DUI
3. Clemens' Steroid Use and Lying to Congress
4. Pettitte admits to using HGH
5. ARod Steroids allegations and he's boinking Madonna
6. Steinbrenner convicted of illegal campaign contributions back in the day.

No wonder the yankees have stripes on their uniforms.

336 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:38:16pm

re: #332 debutaunt

Where, exactly, is the cave located?

I think it's where One-Eyed Willie hid his ship.

337 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:38:35pm
338 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:38:51pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

Did you see Noah steal the ball..60 feet from the basket..Dribble exactly 3 times and jam the ball home? I have never seen a play like that..I've never seen MJ do that..The Doctor..Nobody..Period..Noah may well end up a superstar..That boy can play!

Traveling not called any more?

/ ;-P

339 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:39:01pm

re: #166 opnion

It's a moot point now, but did it seem like McCain was really giving it his best efforts?

At times it sure looked like he was campaigning FOR Obama.

340 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:39:05pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

Did you see Noah steal the ball..60 feet from the basket..Dribble exactly 3 times and jam the ball home? I have never seen a play like that..I've never seen MJ do that..The Doctor..Nobody..Period..Noah may well end up a superstar..That boy can play!


that was the best play of the entire series ... but he is still a punk!

341 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:40:04pm

re: #331 Soona'

Geez. If I had a setup like that, I'd be thinking of moving too.

I do think about it, all the time...it is not easy being an expat in a foreign country...it sounds glamorous and some of it is but there are certainly drawbacks....there is no Constitution to protect you...local govt is even more corrupt than the prime ministers office....you have money, you are a target....you need to be very careful who you associate with and how you do business...but I have that down

342 debutaunt  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:40:20pm

re: #336 Soona'

I think it's where One-Eyed Willie hid his ship.

I'm thinking that Steve is in Albuquerque for a while and, hey, I can spell Albuquerque!

343 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:40:29pm

re: #315 funky chicken

Hey, they re-elected Jack Murtha after he called them all a bunch of racist rednecks, so I don't have much hope for them.

The electorate seems to be acting like a battered spouse in an abusive relationship. Can't stand the abuse, can't get out.

344 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:40:46pm

re: #335 _RememberTonyC

OK let's review the yankee rap sheet ...

1. Joba's Mom
2. Joba's DUI
3. Clemens' Steroid Use and Lying to Congress
4. Pettitte admits to using HGH
5. ARod Steroids allegations and he's boinking Madonna
6. Steinbrenner convicted of illegal campaign contributions back in the day.

No wonder the yankees have stripes on their uniforms.

RememberTonyC -

AND - Fire JOE TORRE, and let him manage THE DODGERS (formerly/k/a)
'DA BUMS! That is all on this subject.

-S-

345 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:41:25pm

re: #337 Iron Fist

A lot of people put money in gold, figuring that gold will always have value. It is hard currency of the most fundamental stripe. The problem is that that simply isn't true. Gold is, and always has been, basically a luxury good. By the time things get to whether or not to hock the gold, what will its value be? You don't have to have a gold wedding band as much as you need a roof over your head. Ammunition for a rifle would be worth far more than its weight in gold, if such ammunition were to dry up to the point of being nearly irreplacable. Gold can't grow you vegetables, nor can it kill and butcher a deer for meat. It can't start a fire, can't perform brain surgery. Gold is used in some forms of circuitry, but that isn't exactly a do-it-yourself project where simply having the gold made it possible for you to repair or replace broken hardware.

My point, such as it is, is that gold's intrinsic value as a luxury good will only hold up as long as society is functional enough for people to be able to worry about little things. The question "Do I look good enough to go to the opera tonight?" is on a whole different level than "what will I feed my children tonight?" If goods become scarce enough, gold will simply not be useful. Someone might sell you bread for gold, if they have the wherwithal to bake bread, but the bread has more intrinsic value in it than the gold does, if bread becomes hard to come by. A pound of gold for a loaf of bread? Why not?

I'll eat the bread. What am I going to do with a pound of gold?

Get laid? :)

346 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:41:43pm

re: #338 jcm

Traveling not called any more?

/ ;-P

It wasn't traveling..In 3 dribbles.. everybody counted them in slo-mo..He went down court full speed and jammed the ball home..He out ran Paul Pierce.
Just amazing..

347 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:41:49pm

re: #309 Killian Bundy

Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?


/ruh roh, has TOTUS approved this?

"[Global warming] skeptics tend to leap forward," said Mike Lockwood, a solar terrestrial physicist at the University of Southampton in the U.K. (Get the facts about global warming.)

He and other researchers are therefore engaged in what they call "preemptive denial" of a solar minimum leading to global cooling.

LOL! Like the AGW crowd doesn't "leap forward" into the absurd with predictable frequency.

And It would have been nice to have some temperance of the Oh Shit We're All Gonna Die warmists exercise a little "preemptive denial."

348 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:42:14pm

re: #332 debutaunt

Where, exactly, is the cave located?

it's just west of Bluefields Beach....Cave is an intersection, an old village between Sav-La-Mar and Whitehouse on the southwest coast

349 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:42:35pm
350 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:42:39pm

re: #344 Dr. Shalit

RememberTonyC -

AND - Fire JOE TORRE, and let him manage THE DODGERS (formerly/k/a)
'DA BUMS! That is all on this subject.

-S-


Joe Torre has CLASS .... No wonder the Yankees got rid of him.

351 debutaunt  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:42:56pm

re: #348 albusteve

it's just west of Bluefields Beach....Cave is an intersection, an old village between Sav-La-Mar and Whitehouse on the southwest coast

Where is the Hilton?

352 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:43:06pm

re: #295 Russkilitlover

Actually, I would hate to be the Republican to follow after Obama's first term, if such a thing as non-reelection happens. By the next term, if Obama, or the next Administration, the ginormous debt will be taking its toll and the only way to pump that much revenue to service that much debt will be equally ginormous tax increases. And "wealthy" will pretty much be defined by anyone with a job.

It's all too easy to forget that there is another way to deal with enormous deficits - reduce the spending that is creating them.

353 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:43:39pm

Obama in love with MSNBC

Well, DUH!

354 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:44:33pm

re: #352 SixDegrees

It's all too easy to forget that there is another way to deal with enormous deficits - reduce the spending that is creating them.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one! :D

355 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:44:33pm

re: #340 _RememberTonyC

that was the best play of the entire series ... but he is still a punk!

You know why I love him..And trust me..I hate the Bulls..With al my heart.
Noah plays like he did in College..Full out..The money didn't corrupt him..He plays like an 18 year so full of energy..I love that..He gets the hoopsters props even if I hate the Bulls..Kudo's Noah..You freaking Stud you

356 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:45:16pm

re: #346 HoosierHoops

It wasn't traveling..In 3 dribbles.. everybody counted them in slo-mo..He went down court full speed and jammed the ball home..He out ran Paul Pierce.
Just amazing..


Noah is a talent for sure. But he needs to stop the non-stop pouting and get a damn haircut :)

357 Empire1  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:45:39pm

re: #306 albusteve

the whole island is limestone covered with rich soil...I grow bananas...need some? make you a deal!....haha!... the locals just take them for themselves...I can grow anything on my land...it's been used as pasture for many years...clumps of huge trees here and there....pretty cool really, and the view is unreal from up there....I can see 100 miles of horizon easily

Sounds like heaven on Earth!

358 Jimash  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:45:49pm

re: #254 formercorpsman

The new Kindle2 reads out loud. Not the older one.

359 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:45:53pm

re: #352 SixDegrees
Not until we can get rid of senators and reps lining their pockets from pork sent home to their districts.

360 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:46:26pm

re: #352 SixDegrees

It's all too easy to forget that there is another way to deal with enormous deficits - reduce the spending that is creating them.

Gonna happen sooner than later now that China 'cutting down purchases of US Treasury bonds'... as Worries Rise on the Size of Debt...

361 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #351 debutaunt

Where is the Hilton?

down the road...Sandals Whitehouse...look it up...I can see it from my hilltop...very depressing

362 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:47:06pm

re: #354 Russkilitlover

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one! :D

Sorry. What was I thinking?

363 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:47:37pm

Now I'm trying to decide whether to answer Melanie Phillips' latest 2,000-word rant at me.

All I could do is reiterate the points I made in my first post, since she doesn't really answer either one: 1) ID is not science, and 2) ID is simply creationism with a cheap suit.

Think I'll let it simmer for a little bit and see how many stalkers pick up on it. (I'm betting all of them will, since I own their brains.)

364 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:47:55pm

re: #353 FurryOldGuyJeans

Obama in love with MSNBC

Well, DUH!

He probably jerks off to Keith Olbermann.

365 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:47:57pm

re: #337 Iron Fist

sell it for USDs

366 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:48:05pm

re: #362 SixDegrees
It is common sense, which is very short supply in DC.

367 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:48:06pm

What is the average Earth temperature supposed to be?

/even the arctic ice comes and goes

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:48:34pm

But why worry about the solvency of the economy? House Democrats seek $94.2 billion in emergency funds

369 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:48:53pm

I think this is good news- the digitizing of paper resources is not only economically beneficial, but environmental as well. Colleges and universities should be at the forefront of this effort- not just with research, but in implementation as well. In the future, college books would be more affordable since they are reproduced electronically, and without having to ship them- much kinder to the environment. I hope the schools fully embrace this development.

370 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:48:54pm

re: #367 Killian Bundy
That answer is above your paygrade!

371 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:49:34pm

re: #363 Charles

Now I'm trying to decide whether to answer Melanie Phillips' latest 2,000-word rant at me.

All I could do is reiterate the points I made in my first post, since she doesn't really answer either one: 1) ID is not science, and 2) ID is simply creationism with a cheap suit.

Think I'll let it simmer for a little bit and see how many stalkers pick up on it. (I'm betting all of them will, since I own their brains.)

You are one evil man, Charles! I love it! ;)

372 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:49:40pm

re: #363 Charles
Are you charging them a lease fee?

373 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:49:53pm

Here in Texas, the legislature is considering a bill to allow school districts to buy textbooks by electronic download, to read on notebooks or Kindle. I think the new larger one would be just what they're looking for.

374 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:49:58pm

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gonna happen sooner than later now that China 'cutting down purchases of US Treasury bonds'... as Worries Rise on the Size of Debt...

I think the worse the economy is the better the zero and his henchmen like it. Crisis. Crisis. Crisis. It's an Alinsky wet-dream.

375 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:50:11pm

re: #357 Empire1

Sounds like heaven on Earth!

it is...and it's mine

376 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:50:28pm

re: #358 Jimash

The new Kindle2 reads out loud. Not the older one.

I would love to have it read LGF out loud to me, but I don't think it could do that many different voices. Every one of you sounds different in my head (and different from those other voices, but that's another story).

377 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:51:26pm

re: #373 Ward Cleaver

Here in Texas, the legislature is considering a bill to allow school districts to buy textbooks by electronic download, to read on notebooks or Kindle. I think the new larger one would be just what they're looking for.

There is no reason why the schools shouldn't opt for allowing parents and students to get books in this manner. It will be less expensive, and the extra money is these days is needed.

378 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:52:07pm

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gonna happen sooner than later now that China 'cutting down purchases of US Treasury bonds'... as Worries Rise on the Size of Debt...

Glad to hear it, frankly.

I don't have a problem running up the deficit in the name of stimulus. That's the time-honored way of dealing with recessions, and it arguably works. But it's a short-term solution only. The "stimulus" package we're laboring under at the moment extends for years into the future - very, very little of it, in fact, has been spent yet. And there is every sign that the recession, if not exactly lifting, has at least stabilized and may begin a northward journey without any additional government help.

The responsible thing to do when that happens - by late summer, most likely - would be to declare victory and rescind the gut-wrenching spending packages laid out for the future. The continuing deficits are completely untenable and unsustainable, and that's likely what has China concerned. A single year's worth of profligate spending in order to jump-start the economy is forgivable; long-term profligacy with no underlying wealth to back it up is not.

379 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:52:22pm

But there is a bit of good news if O keeps his promise: No bailout for newspaper industry: White House

380 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:52:24pm

re: #363 Charles


sticking to your guns and ignoring them will drive them bat shit crazy ...

381 AFVetWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:52:37pm

My first post, so please excuse any issues.
Regarding the Kindle, I prefer the feel of a book in my hands, the portability, the fact that it never needs batteries, etc. Also, I just love the smell of a bookstore. My fantasy job/career would be to own a bookstore that also sells selected collectibles, knick-knacks, etc.
Further, I used to work for a trade association that represented college book stores and their vendor partners. Unless that group could find a way to profit from this innovation, it would lead to many privately owned stores going out of business. Also, I'm reading "One Second After" about an EMP attack. Not sure any electronic device would work in that scenario.
Glad to be a newbie Lizard!

382 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #355 HoosierHoops

You know why I love him..And trust me..I hate the Bulls..With al my heart.
Noah plays like he did in College..Full out..The money didn't corrupt him..He plays like an 18 year so full of energy..I love that..He gets the hoopsters props even if I hate the Bulls..Kudo's Noah..You freaking Stud you

All bounce no bulk Hoosier. I think the big boys will pound him down to size in short order in this league. Just my take.

383 Russkilitlover  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:52:52pm

re: #360 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gonna happen sooner than later now that China 'cutting down purchases of US Treasury bonds'... as Worries Rise on the Size of Debt...

Chine may be the land of f@cking, red ratbastard commies. But they aren't stupid.

384 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:53:02pm

re: #361 albusteve

What's depressing about watching a bunch of silly folks spending way too much money on a rather mediocre vacation experience? It brings a lot of money into the economy and probably employs lots of folks.

385 doppelganglander  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:53:35pm

This is kind of a drive-by, but I just had to share the best headline of the day:

Vanity, Karma Continue to Take Toll on Edwards

386 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:53:36pm
387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:53:44pm

re: #378 SixDegrees

The problem is that the Chinese in the past were more than happy to finance our debt, this time they are not so cooperative. That doesn't bode good our solvency.

388 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:53:45pm

re: #379 FurryOldGuyJeans

You didn't notice the WH spokesman had his fingers crossed?!

389 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:53:54pm

re: #381 AFVetWife


welcome ...

390 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:54:04pm

re: #377 Sharmuta

There is no reason why the schools shouldn't opt for allowing parents and students to get books in this manner. It will be less expensive, and the extra money is these days is needed.

How do you know it would be less expensive? The sharks in the textbook industry aren't going to give up their bonuses.

391 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:54:09pm

re: #363 Charles

......since I own their brains.)

Charles is zombie?

392 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:54:45pm

re: #381 AFVetWife

It's very nice meeting you...Welcome

393 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:55:01pm
394 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:55:10pm

Jerry Coyne's picked up on Melanie's latest:

[Link: whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...]

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:55:11pm

re: #388 pingjockey

You didn't notice the WH spokesman had his fingers crossed?!

I did say if he keeps the promise he mouthed. ;)

396 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:56:05pm

re: #381 AFVetWife

My first post, so please excuse any issues.
Regarding the Kindle, I prefer the feel of a book in my hands, the portability, the fact that it never needs batteries, etc. Also, I just love the smell of a bookstore. My fantasy job/career would be to own a bookstore that also sells selected collectibles, knick-knacks, etc.
Further, I used to work for a trade association that represented college book stores and their vendor partners. Unless that group could find a way to profit from this innovation, it would lead to many privately owned stores going out of business. Also, I'm reading "One Second After" about an EMP attack. Not sure any electronic device would work in that scenario.
Glad to be a newbie Lizard!

Welcome!

AF Vet here, way back during the dark times of Rabbit Bait*.

*Rabbit Bait.

Reference since I don't utter it's name.

397 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:56:10pm

re: #394 Charles

Jerry Coyne's picked up on Melanie's latest:

[Link: whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...]

Is this a good thing?

398 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:56:11pm

re: #395 FurryOldGuyJeans
Heh!

399 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:57:04pm

Open Reg!

Youtube Video
400 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:57:24pm

re: #382 The Shadow Do

All bounce no bulk Hoosier. I think the big boys will pound him down to size in short order in this league. Just my take.

That was my take when he came out of Florida..a 2 time NCAA Champion.
Noah played a full NBA season and kicked some ass on the floor. I give him his props..Well done.

401 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:57:51pm

re: #363 Charles

Now I'm trying to decide whether to answer Melanie Phillips' latest 2,000-word rant at me.

All I could do is reiterate the points I made in my first post, since she doesn't really answer either one: 1) ID is not science, and 2) ID is simply creationism with a cheap suit.

Think I'll let it simmer for a little bit and see how many stalkers pick up on it. (I'm betting all of them will, since I own their brains.)

I'd reiterate your original points in somewhat more detail. Allowing yourself to be drawn into a refutation of the ID malarkey is self-defeating; it's based on a host of circular arguments and is impervious to actual discussion. See the end of the "Burn in Hell" thread, below, for examples of the long-winded cut-and-paste rants they're attempting to draw you into.

Simple fact: creationism is not science. Period. End of story. There isn't anything else to discuss; that alone rules it out of the science classroom, except as a living example of anti-scientific modern day Luddite thinking that believes the whole "made in His image" thing means that God sits around in his double-wide all day, swilling Pabst and adding more stains to his wife-beating shirt.

402 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:58:10pm

re: #384 funky chicken

What's depressing about watching a bunch of silly folks spending way too much money on a rather mediocre vacation experience? It brings a lot of money into the economy and probably employs lots of folks.

I used to hang out on that desolate beach...there is more to it...this area is old and pristine...Butch Steward himself told me he would not build an intrusive resort there...he lied and he did...he's possessed and already one of the richest men in this friggin hemisphere...there needs to be a balance

403 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:58:24pm

re: #383 Russkilitlover

Chine may be the land of f@cking, red ratbastard commies. But they aren't stupid.

Lately the Chinese Communists are better Capitalists than we are.

404 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:59:08pm

re: #401 SixDegrees

Fatal error in your argument.

You used logic.

;-P

405 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:59:12pm

re: #369 Sharmuta

I think this is good news- the digitizing of paper resources is not only economically beneficial, but environmental as well. Colleges and universities should be at the forefront of this effort- not just with research, but in implementation as well. In the future, college books would be more affordable since they are reproduced electronically, and without having to ship them- much kinder to the environment. I hope the schools fully embrace this development.

Sharmuta -

When Publishers can make the same on an electro-download as on a tangible book - it might happen. 'Til then...

-S-

406 ladycatnip  Mon, May 4, 2009 4:59:27pm

#381 AFVetWife

...Regarding the Kindle, I prefer the feel of a book in my hands, the portability, the fact that it never needs batteries, etc. Also, I just love the smell of a bookstore. My fantasy job/career would be to own a bookstore that also sells selected collectibles, knick-knacks, etc.

Welcome to the lizard kingdom!

I'm with you on books ...I collect old and rare books; nothing makes my heart rate increase like finding perfectly preserved late 1800 gems in used bookstores. Found a fabulous store up in northern CA and could've spent days in there. My fantasy retirement job would be to own a little nook of old and rare books. There's just something wonderful about words in print.

407 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:00:05pm

re: #381 AFVetWife

My first post, so please excuse any issues.
Regarding the Kindle, I prefer the feel of a book in my hands, the portability, the fact that it never needs batteries, etc. Also, I just love the smell of a bookstore. My fantasy job/career would be to own a bookstore that also sells selected collectibles, knick-knacks, etc.
Further, I used to work for a trade association that represented college book stores and their vendor partners. Unless that group could find a way to profit from this innovation, it would lead to many privately owned stores going out of business. Also, I'm reading "One Second After" about an EMP attack. Not sure any electronic device would work in that scenario.
Glad to be a newbie Lizard!

I like the feel of books too, but as someone who deals with digital documents, the accessibility cannot be beat. More people can access digital documents than they can the analog, paper version. The producers of books would have less production costs, and virtually no shipping, warehousing, or other logistical costs. Books would cost them less to produce. They would charge less for them, but their profit margins, without production, logistical, and shipping costs, would be much higher. I can understand concerns about relying on electronics, but were an EMP bomb to go off, books would be the last of our concerns.

408 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:00:22pm

re: #381 AFVetWife

Oh! And welcome to LGF.

409 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:00:47pm

re: #369 Sharmuta

I think this is good news- the digitizing of paper resources is not only economically beneficial, but environmental as well. Colleges and universities should be at the forefront of this effort- not just with research, but in implementation as well. In the future, college books would be more affordable since they are reproduced electronically, and without having to ship them- much kinder to the environment. I hope the schools fully embrace this development.

Big Paper and Big Book Manufacturer and Big University will not go for it.

/maybe if we keep on referring to them this way we can tar them with the "Big" name like Big Oil and Big Tobacco.

410 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:00:59pm

re: #403 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lately the Chinese Communists are better Capitalists than we are.

Very true.

411 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:01:37pm

re: #385 doppelganglander

This is kind of a drive-by, but I just had to share the best headline of the day:

Vanity, Karma Continue to Take Toll on Edwards

In a carefully worded statement issued Sunday, Edwards said none of the money Hunter received was wrongly paid.

"I am confident that no funds from my campaign were used improperly. However, I know that it is the role of government to ensure that this is true. We have made available to the United States both the people and the information necessary to help them get the issue resolved efficiently and in a timely matter," he said.

Put his ass under oath. My new favorite weapon for dealing with libtards.

412 Empire1  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:01:43pm

re: #375 albusteve

it is...and it's mine

More power to you, and may you continue to enjoy it in good health. :)

413 SixDegrees  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:01:47pm

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

The problem is that the Chinese in the past were more than happy to finance our debt, this time they are not so cooperative. That doesn't bode good our solvency.

They're not stupid. Moderate debt isn't a bad thing - it lets you do things you otherwise couldn't. Buying a home is the example most people are familiar with. But when debt soars beyond what your real wealth can support, your debt changes from an investment that pays a steady dividend to worthless, uncollectible paper.

These days, it isn't even paper anymore. Beyond the tipping point, the whole thing just vanishes in a 'puff' of abstraction.

414 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:01:57pm

re: #397 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is this a good thing?

Absolutely! He's a highly respected geneticist at the University of Chicago.

415 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:02:07pm
416 Jimash  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:02:27pm

ID is creationism with a bunch of invented and mangled science around it.
If people tried to use the science nothing would work and all space missions would miss their marks. Because ID redefines the size and shape of the entire universe to fit its preconception.
Not science.

417 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:02:42pm
418 _RememberTonyC  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:03:06pm

Time for Magic/Celtics game #1 ... later Lizards ...

GO CELTICS

419 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:03:28pm

re: #405 Dr. Shalit

Sharmuta -

When Publishers can make the same on an electro-download as on a tangible book - it might happen. 'Til then...

-S-

I think they're behind the curve. Eventually, they will embrace this technology. They already do publish books electronically, and I have a hard time believing the profit margin isn't higher. The main cost is producing the first digital copy. After that, it's just copies of the same file being sold and sent electronically over and over. Not much cheaper than that.

420 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:04:34pm

re: #406 ladycatnip

#381 AFVetWife

Welcome to the lizard kingdom!

I'm with you on books ...I collect old and rare books; nothing makes my heart rate increase like finding perfectly preserved late 1800 gems in used bookstores. Found a fabulous store up in northern CA and could've spent days in there. My fantasy retirement job would be to own a little nook of old and rare books. There's just something wonderful about words in print.

I have a Civil War collection. Books published before 1865 are generally in better condition than books published after 1865--since after the Civil War high acid content wood pulp paper took the place of acid-free rag paper.

421 ladycatnip  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:04:38pm

#407 Sharmuta

I hadn't thought about accessibility, as I'm rather a dinosaur when it comes to technology. It seems the concept of Kindle would be much cheaper as there's no paper involved - would that mean publishers would actually make the cost of college textbooks affordable? Textbook publishing is one of the the biggest scams on earth.

422 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:04:40pm

re: #394 Charles

Jerry Coyne's picked up on Melanie's latest:

[Link: whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...]

Thread worthy?

423 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #421 ladycatnip

#407 Sharmuta

I hadn't thought about accessibility, as I'm rather a dinosaur when it comes to technology. It seems the concept of Kindle would be much cheaper as there's no paper involved - would that mean publishers would actually make the cost of college textbooks affordable? Textbook publishing is one of the the biggest scams on earth.

Thank you.

424 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:05:53pm

re: #421 ladycatnip

#407 Sharmuta

I hadn't thought about accessibility, as I'm rather a dinosaur when it comes to technology. It seems the concept of Kindle would be much cheaper as there's no paper involved - would that mean publishers would actually make the cost of college textbooks affordable? Textbook publishing is one of the the biggest scams on earth.

That might be a reason they would resist it at first, but at the end of the day, they're still capitalists looking to make the most amount of money they can. This would reduce their cost and increase their profit margins in the long run.

425 AFVetWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:06:17pm

re: #392 HoosierHoops
Thank you! Actually, my husband is a Hoosier also - Indianapolis Ben Davis HS, Butler Univ (ROTC), then 20 years in the AF (Lt. Col. ret'd), then airline captain, now an Inspector for the FAA - spent his whole life "in the air," so to speak. We're basically conservatives, not always "enchanted" with the GOP, but seriously opposed to what The One is doing to our country. Looking forward to sosome fun times here at LGF!

426 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:06:54pm

re: #400 HoosierHoops

That was my take when he came out of Florida..a 2 time NCAA Champion.
Noah played a full NBA season and kicked some ass on the floor. I give him his props..Well done.

Looks to me like he is about one bounce away from a knee injury or somesuch. Put him on Shaq or Yao Ming? He's gonna get crushed.

Noah is fortunate to play in an era where there is not a lot of true big man competition. That said, he is fun to watch.

427 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:07:26pm

re: #425 AFVetWife

Thank you! Actually, my husband is a Hoosier also - Indianapolis Ben Davis HS, Butler Univ (ROTC), then 20 years in the AF (Lt. Col. ret'd), then airline captain, now an Inspector for the FAA - spent his whole life "in the air," so to speak. We're basically conservatives, not always "enchanted" with the GOP, but seriously opposed to what The One is doing to our country. Looking forward to sosome fun times here at LGF!

Welcome.

428 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:08:02pm

re: #424 Sharmuta

That might be a reason they would resist it at first, but at the end of the day, they're still capitalists looking to make the most amount of money they can. This would reduce their cost and increase their profit margins in the long run.

What's to worry. By then all the textbook companies will be owned by the government anyway.

429 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:08:50pm

re: #425 AFVetWife

Thank you! Actually, my husband is a Hoosier also - Indianapolis Ben Davis HS, Butler Univ (ROTC), then 20 years in the AF (Lt. Col. ret'd), then airline captain, now an Inspector for the FAA - spent his whole life "in the air," so to speak. We're basically conservatives, not always "enchanted" with the GOP, but seriously opposed to what The One is doing to our country. Looking forward to sosome fun times here at LGF!

It's very nice to have you here..You are going to have a good time..

430 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:09:04pm

The moronic ID blog Uncommon Descent also picks up on Phillips' column, and they're very careful not to mention me at all:

[Link: www.uncommondescent.com...]

431 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:09:12pm

re: #402 albusteve

I used to hang out on that desolate beach...there is more to it...this area is old and pristine...Butch Steward himself told me he would not build an intrusive resort there...he lied and he did...he's possessed and already one of the richest men in this friggin hemisphere...there needs to be a balance

Ah, got it.

432 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:10:19pm

re: #425 AFVetWife

Thank you! Actually, my husband is a Hoosier also - Indianapolis Ben Davis HS, Butler Univ (ROTC), then 20 years in the AF (Lt. Col. ret'd), then airline captain, now an Inspector for the FAA - spent his whole life "in the air," so to speak. We're basically conservatives, not always "enchanted" with the GOP, but seriously opposed to what The One is doing to our country. Looking forward to sosome fun times here at LGF!

You'll fit right in. Welcome.

433 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:10:44pm
434 ladycatnip  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:10:55pm

#420 Alouette

I have a Civil War collection. Books published before 1865 are generally in better condition than books published after 1865--since after the Civil War high acid content wood pulp paper took the place of acid-free rag paper.

The earliest I have is 1863 - leather bound edition of Harper's Magazines. I had no idea paper was acid-free prior to the Civil War. When I'm on the hunt next time I'll keep my eyes open for pre-1865. Your Civil War collection sounds wonderful! My favorite collections are historical, literature and poetry. Have some late 1800 6th grade classroom textbooks from my grandmother - that now would maybe belong in upper division college classes.

435 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:10:58pm

Here's a real howler from Uncommon Descent:

Darwinism - i.e., natural selection acting on random mutation is able to create intricate life forms - is the creation story of atheism. It is therefore an essential ingredient in a new secular establishment’s idea of how to organize the world.

...

The main thing to see here is that Darwinists have nothing better to launch than persecutions because they do not have the goods.

Melanie's being persecuted!

436 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:12:44pm

re: #435 Charles
The HORROR! //////mwahahaha!

437 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:13:17pm

re: #433 Iron Fist

They would still be able to sell their books. Publishers might even be able to offer the professors better terms because production costs would be lower. If the publishers profit margins are higher, they'd have more money to give the authors their cut.

438 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:13:22pm
439 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #435 Charles

Facts is persecution! The Inquisition of reality must be stopped!
/

440 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:14:02pm

Forgive me for asking but is there a change in LGF registration? It seems it has been open for the last 16 hours or so.

441 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:14:18pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

The Inquisition of reality must be stopped!

Rotating title nomination!

442 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:14:28pm

re: #438 Iron Fist
Moral or mortal terror? Hell, both would work.

443 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:15:06pm

re: #440 BatGuano

Forgive me for asking but is there a change in LGF registration? It seems it has been open for the last 16 hours or so.

Stealth Open reg.....

Shhhh!

444 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #438 Iron Fist

You must make a friend of horror, and of moral terror...

Never get off the boat.......

445 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:15:24pm

re: #440 BatGuano

Forgive me for asking but is there a change in LGF registration? It seems it has been open for the last 16 hours or so.

Yes, I've left it open to see what happens.

446 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:15:26pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout
Bravo! That is a keeper!

447 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:17:32pm

re: #426 The Shadow Do

Looks to me like he is about one bounce away from a knee injury or somesuch. Put him on Shaq or Yao Ming? He's gonna get crushed.

Noah is fortunate to play in an era where there is not a lot of true big man competition. That said, he is fun to watch.

In his prime..No one on earth could beat Shaq in the hole..period.. Bill Russell? 13 champinships against Shaq in the hole? A joke..And Yoa? You do recall when he came into the league we all laughed about the stick boy..How soft he was..It was a joke for several years..Now Yoa is a stud..Watch out for Noah..That boy haz mad skilz!
a 7 footer with skills?

448 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:17:37pm

re: #434 ladycatnip

#420 Alouette

The earliest I have is 1863 - leather bound edition of Harper's Magazines. I had no idea paper was acid-free prior to the Civil War. When I'm on the hunt next time I'll keep my eyes open for pre-1865. Your Civil War collection sounds wonderful! My favorite collections are historical, literature and poetry. Have some late 1800 6th grade classroom textbooks from my grandmother - that now would maybe belong in upper division college classes.

My favorites are the autobiographies written by media prima donnas who went down South "to report the War" and got their asses kicked by Union and Confederates! The self-importance, the pompous superiority, the Bulwer-Lytton turgid style that was so popular in those days. What assholes they were. Some things never change.

449 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:17:52pm

re: #443 jcm

Mum's the word.

450 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:18:00pm

re: #445 Charles

Yes, I've left it open to see what happens.

How many registrations?

How many socks got caught in Stinky's lint filter?

451 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:18:08pm

re: #445 Charles

Thank you.

452 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #416 Jimash

ID is creationism with a bunch of invented and mangled science around it.
If people tried to use the science nothing would work and all space missions would miss their marks. Because ID redefines the size and shape of the entire universe to fit its preconception.
Not science.

If we are designed . . .

. . . why did God design the human jaw to be big enough for 28 teeth, and then give us 32?
. . . why are we designed so that we can not simultaneously breathe and swallow food? What design purpose does the potential for choking serve?
. . . why do we have an extensor coccygis muscle, whose only point would be to flex the coccyx bone if the coccyx weren't fused together?
. . . why weren't humans designed with the ability to regrow limbs? It was obviously "designed" into creatures such as salamanders, so why not humans?
. . . why is the human spine segmented? The spine's "design" is great for horizontal compression, but notoriously poor for vertical stress. When was the last time you saw even an ancient building that was supported by such a structure?
. . . why run a feature as important as the spinal cord through something as poorly designed for an upright creature as the human spine is?

453 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:19:02pm

re: #445 Charles

Yes, I've left it open to see what happens.

Charles wants to stock up on lizard food.
//

454 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:19:06pm

Still not convinced evolution is happening right now? Take a look at your recent family tree. Anything different? Or all all family members the same?

Its a loooooooooong process.

455 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:20:01pm

When did "Darwinist" become a pejorative? Why not "Einsteinist"? Or Newtonist? etc etc ...

456 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:20:43pm

re: #452 gmsc

The answer is simple: We were designed by a committee.
:)

457 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:21:12pm

re: #445 Charles

Yes, I've left it open to see what happens.

Ruh roh......

458 Soona'  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:21:20pm

Time to go. See ya's.

459 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:21:38pm

re: #447 HoosierHoops

In his prime..No one on earth could beat Shaq in the hole..period.. Bill Russell? 13 champinships against Shaq in the hole? A joke..And Yoa? You do recall when he came into the league we all laughed about the stick boy..How soft he was..It was a joke for several years..Now Yoa is a stud..Watch out for Noah..That boy haz mad skilz!
a 7 footer with skills?

Nowitzki

460 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:21:48pm

re: #447 HoosierHoops

Recent Laker game - Yao and Trevor Ariza are going after a rebound - both have their hands firmly on the ball. Yao lifts Ariza completely up in the air like he is a rag doll. Ariza was cracking up.

Very funny to watch.

461 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:22:30pm

re: #455 The Shadow Do
It's only a perjorative if you let it. It doesn't bother me.

462 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:22:44pm

Additionally- once a document has been produced electronically, it's exceptionally easy to reproduce not just digitally, but analog as well.

Just look at PDFs. We can sit here at LGF and read up on the HLF trial, see a link to one of the official complaints to the court and instead of one complaint in the courthouse, because it's been digitized, the document is now available to all, and anyone can print a copy of it, or save it electronically on their computer. These are aspects of digital documentation that we don't even think about, we just enjoy their benefits without considering them.

It's the wave of the future, and Amazon is getting ahead of the curve. I firmly believe producers will follow once they come to understand the benefits.

463 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:22:53pm

re: #452 gmsc

If we are designed . . .

. . . why did God design the human jaw to be big enough for 28 teeth, and then give us 32?
. . . why are we designed so that we can not simultaneously breathe and swallow food? What design purpose does the potential for choking serve?
. . . why do we have an extensor coccygis muscle, whose only point would be to flex the coccyx bone if the coccyx weren't fused together?
. . . why weren't humans designed with the ability to regrow limbs? It was obviously "designed" into creatures such as salamanders, so why not humans?
. . . why is the human spine segmented? The spine's "design" is great for horizontal compression, but notoriously poor for vertical stress. When was the last time you saw even an ancient building that was supported by such a structure?
. . . why run a feature as important as the spinal cord through something as poorly designed for an upright creature as the human spine is?

To employee dentists.

To eliminate dumb asses that try.

To give us tail envy.

To remind us not to do the stupid ass thing that lost us the limb again.

So we can build something bigger than we can move.

To keep us humble.

Any more questions?

// ;-P

464 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:23:06pm

That brain-damaged idiot 'Rodan' tried to sneak in again, of course.

465 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:23:09pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

It's a variation of the rotating title of the Imam who said something like "Reality is a problem and must be corrected."

466 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:23:33pm
467 AFVetWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:23:55pm

re: #433 Iron Fist
That sort of thing always drove the proprietors of the college bookstores nuts - no way to buy back the "old" version of a text, which upset their student customers, plus having to charge unreasonably high amounts for the "new" edition. We actually produced a presentation that showed that the college bookstore made the least amount of profit on a book - the lion's share went to the publishing company and the author. Of course, the students ire was usually aimed at the bookstore (kill the messenger).

468 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:23:57pm

re: #447 HoosierHoops

In his prime..No one on earth could beat Shaq in the hole..period.. Bill Russell? 13 champinships against Shaq in the hole? A joke..And Yoa? You do recall when he came into the league we all laughed about the stick boy..How soft he was..It was a joke for several years..Now Yoa is a stud..Watch out for Noah..That boy haz mad skilz!
a 7 footer with skills?

But put Shaq on the line and watch your plans fall apart. 4th quarter hack a shaq and your ballgame was all but lost. I'll take Kareem Abdul Jabar or Robert Parrish any day over Shaq.

469 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:24:16pm

re: #463 jcm

To give us tail envy.

Rotating title!
;)

470 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:24:23pm

Looks like the entire staff of Israel National News registered accounts.

Either that or a whole lot of sock puppets.

471 SteveC  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:24:32pm

A twitter user I follow named Dr. Val watching coverage of the National Press Club where Chris Matthews made a "I'm not really here to promote my book I have something to say that's really important" speech: She twittered the event. Here are her notes:

Matthews: "People don't mind being used, they mind being discarded."

Matthews: "90% of Americans don't know anybody who could get them a job."

Matthews: "No matter what anyone says, no one wants a level playing field."

Matthews: "In the early 70's there were X's put on walls where people had been killed in DC. I saw them as a cop."

Matthews: One day a homeless guy told me: "You know why the 'little guy' loves this country? 'Cause it's all he's got."

Matthews: "I was a speech writer for John Kerry. At the time I didn't realize how great he is."

Matthews:I've never seen a busier president in all my life than Barack Obama. However,when are we going to stop printing money?

Matthews: I don't understand Geithner: he doesn't say much, and when he does, he doesn't say much. (Damn, he's right!)

Matthews: Specter is a piece of work. He's a genius of some sort. I'm not saying a good genius.

Matthews: Bringing in Hillary Clinton was the most stunning thing I've ever seen in my life. What political moxy.

Matthews:The most important thing is not bipartisanship, but the coalition of the democratic party.Bringing in Clintons was key

Matthews:There's no way to maintain our standard of living if we don't have a highly educated work force.Obama is right on that.

Matthews: Obama is following the Ronald Reagon model: blitz early when you have the mandate. (MANDY! I need you! Bring your clue by four!)

Matthews: Chicago has come to Washington. They always act like there's no other party. Obama never mentions Rep party by name.

Matthews: Obama's regime only talks about the crazies - Rush Limbaugh et al. They don't mention reasonable Reps like Tom Ridge.

Matthews: "The hardest working people in America are the ones who just got here."

Matthews: "Every group that's ever come to America has done better here than where they came from."

Matthews: Ralph Leifshitz (sp?) became Ralph Lauren... Americans adjust well to change,but we're not good at long term planning.

Matthews: We're the fastest moving culture in the world. We're Protean. Barack Obama's immigrant background appeals to us.

Matthews: In old countries, three generations do the same thing. Here, no one has to follow in their parents' shoes.

Matthews: We have comic relief from the VP's office every day. It makes my job fun. Biden is overstaffed.

Matthews: Biden is like Ed McMahon. He makes us feel that Obama might like people like us - regular folks.

And the final message is just an "It's over" note. (THANK GOD!)

472 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:24:52pm

re: #464 Charles

"That boy don't ever learn". Line in Joe Kidd. Eastwood elic.

473 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:24:55pm
474 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:25:04pm

re: #459 The Shadow Do

Nowitzki

Oh please! ( I love you dude..just having fun)
Dirk could never take Shaq to the Hole..He'd get knocked out..Dirk's game is being a big man shooting 20 footers..He pulls the big guys outside to guard him...Dirk doesn't even know what paint is..

475 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:26:15pm

PREVIEW-Bigger Kindle e-reader may not be a newspaper fix

Amazon.com Inc's (AMZN.O) Kindle electronic reader was supposed to revolutionize publishing by freeing people from having to carry books around. Now the Web retailer may super-size it for newspaper readers.

Amazon plans to launch this week a bigger version of its Kindle, which may also house textbooks, analysts and media report. The New York Times said the new device could be unveiled on Wednesday and its parent would be involved.

But a larger-format e-reader may not be a quick fix for a struggling newspaper business devastated by crumbling ad revenue and declining readership. Nor would it guarantee a big boost to Amazon's bottom line anytime soon, analysts say.

Questions about whether such a device will host ads and how Amazon shares revenue, also pose key concerns, they say.

But a larger-format device could at least ease Amazon's entry into digital text books, which some have said represents the best guarantee of a steady revenue stream.

On Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the upcoming Kindle will be doled out to students at six colleges -- including Princeton -- starting in the fall.

It will also feature a more fully functional Web browser, the Journal cited people briefed on the matter as saying.

. . .

Amazon and Sony Corp (6758.T) are the only two major manufacturers of e-readers, but a host of companies from Polymer Vision in the Netherlands to Plastic Logic in the United States are working on devices geared to newspapers and other formats in which a larger screen is a benefit.

Pearson Plc's (PSON.L) Financial Times and Gannett Co Inc (GCI.N) are working with Mountain View, California-based Plastic Logic on a newspaper-oriented reading device expected to launch early next year.

News Corp (NWSA.O) Chief Executive Rupert Murdoch said in April his company, which owns The Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Times of London and many other papers, is also investing in a reading device with a larger screen for newspapers.

Analysts wonder if the device may usher in a new model for newspapers struggling to slash costs and stay afloat.

/showed up as RIMM news, heh

476 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:27:16pm

re: #470 Charles
Well, we do like Israel, most of us anyway.

477 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:27:45pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

I think it will get to a point where they won't have a choice in the matter- digital documents is where everything is going. We'll still have paper versions of things, but the technology isn't going to stop just because some professor wants a paper version of his book sold rather than a digital copy. Very similar to the music industry in some regards.

478 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:28:28pm

re: #473 Iron Fist
Ah ha!

479 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:28:31pm

re: #468 Truck Monkey

But put Shaq on the line and watch your plans fall apart. 4th quarter hack a shaq and your ballgame was all but lost. I'll take Kareem Abdul Jabar or Robert Parrish any day over Shaq.

Yea the Chief! Hell of a player..Can you believe the Warriors traded the rights away to the Celts for Joe barry Carrol?

480 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:31:59pm

re: #474 HoosierHoops

Oh please! ( I love you dude..just having fun)
Dirk could never take Shaq to the Hole..He'd get knocked out..Dirk's game is being a big man shooting 20 footers..He pulls the big guys outside to guard him...Dirk doesn't even know what paint is..

A big, athletic 7 footer hanging out around the 3 point line when the game is on the line, when he should be posting up on offense (or at least staying in motion). He's not a center, but neither was Kevin Mchale.

481 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:32:46pm
483 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:33:42pm

re: #430 Charles

The moronic ID blog Uncommon Descent also picks up on Phillips' column, and they're very careful not to mention me at all:

[Link: www.uncommondescent.com...]

Where's the LOVE?

/

484 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:33:56pm

re: #470 Charles

Looks like the entire staff of Israel National News registered accounts.

Either that or a whole lot of sock puppets.

If it was a whole bunch of people from JPost or YNet, then you should be worried. They have some ugly ass moonbats at JPost and YNet.

485 SteveC  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:34:09pm

re: #481 buzzsawmonkey

Chris Matthews--Old Tingle-Legs--was a cop?

Oy.

News to me. Must have been a desk jockey, because being questioned by him about anything would be cruel and unusual punishment.

486 gearhead  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:34:17pm

What I really want is a Kindleberry.

Until that happens, the number one thing Amazon can do to attract my attention is to bring the cost down.

487 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:35:05pm

re: #447 HoosierHoops

In his prime..No one on earth could beat Shaq in the hole..period.. Bill Russell? 13 champinships against Shaq in the hole? A joke..And Yoa? You do recall when he came into the league we all laughed about the stick boy..How soft he was..It was a joke for several years..Now Yoa is a stud..Watch out for Noah..That boy haz mad skilz!
a 7 footer with skills?

I never laughed at Yao.

BTW, he's like a GOD in Shanghai. His picture is everywhere.

488 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:35:29pm

re: #481 buzzsawmonkey

Chris Matthews--Old Tingle-Legs--was a cop?

Oy.

Now he's a windbag.

489 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:35:52pm

re: #486 gearhead

What I really want is a Kindleberry.

Until that happens, the number one thing Amazon can do to attract my attention is to bring the cost down.

Some advice - keep inventing stuff, but let other people name it.

/

490 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:36:11pm
491 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:36:28pm

re: #480 BatGuano

A big, athletic 7 footer hanging out around the 3 point line when the game is on the line, when he should be posting up on offense (or at least staying in motion). He's not a center, but neither was Kevin Mchale.

I couldn't agree more..But Kevin played the power forward position and Didn't have to worry about the paint defense. There should be a rule..If you are a 7 footer..or even foot 4 inches and you are bombing 3 pointers...You need to be fired..There should be a rule..

492 Cognito  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:36:56pm

I have a hard time envisioning people curling up with a good e-book by the fire on a winter night, or tossing aside an e-book to splash into the surf on a summer day.

But then again, hey. I'm old-fashioned.

493 SteveC  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:37:15pm

re: #486 gearhead

What I really want is a Kindleberry.

Until that happens, the number one thing Amazon can do to attract my attention is to bring the cost down.

Hear, hear! I got a baaaaad case of the "I want" and I keep looking for used Kindle 1's in good operating condition, but no one wants to part with them. Even folks who moved from version 1 to version 2 don't want to sell their old one. :(

494 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:37:19pm

re: #482 MagnaniomousCoward

That's interesting. thanks

495 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:37:22pm

Looks like about 120 new lizards with this unannounced open registration, and 11 sock puppets.

One of the socks posted this in the Overnight Open Thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Scroll to the bottom to see my response.

They really think they can put one over on me, I guess. Surprise!

496 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:37:32pm

re: #474 HoosierHoops

Oh please! ( I love you dude..just having fun)
Dirk could never take Shaq to the Hole..He'd get knocked out..Dirk's game is being a big man shooting 20 footers..He pulls the big guys outside to guard him...Dirk doesn't even know what paint is..

I was talking skills comparisons. Noah avoids being knocked out by not challenging the inside post. He can shoot a little, but not a lot. Both he and Dirk will work inside when it is open - but only then, not effective otherwise.

My take is that Noah is misplaced at center, he could be a great back up there - or he could be a mediocre forward, and way behind the skills of Nowitzi at that position. Dirk can really shoot.

Watching Dwight Howard play tonight. Now that is a center.

497 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:37:51pm
498 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:38:14pm

re: #479 HoosierHoops

Yea the Chief! Hell of a player..Can you believe the Warriors traded the rights away to the Celts for Joe barry Carrol?

Um, no. I used to love my NBA. I lost almost all interest in the pro game about the time that that sideshow Rodman became the face of the "badboy" NBA. Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony amongst others in the new
ThugBA have pretty much sealed the deal. I remember racing home from church to watch the NBA when Dr J. and later Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played. Times have changed.

499 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:38:16pm

re: #492 Cognito

I have a hard time envisioning people curling up with a good e-book by the fire on a winter night, or tossing aside an e-book to splash into the surf on a summer day.

But then again, hey. I'm old-fashioned.

Then again, you have an interest in this not working. Be honest.

500 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:39:29pm

re: #492 Cognito

I have a hard time envisioning people curling up with a good e-book by the fire on a winter night, or tossing aside an e-book to splash into the surf on a summer day.

But then again, hey. I'm old-fashioned.

Cog ...nice to see you.

501 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:39:55pm

re: #470 Charles

Looks like the entire staff of Israel National News registered accounts.

Either that or a whole lot of sock puppets.

Roughly how many might that be?

502 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:39:58pm

Step up and introduce yourselves hatchlings.

A quick tip, a first time commenter with a old hatching date is immediately cause for suspicion.

So Step and introduce yourselves.

Then buy the room a round!

503 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:40:04pm

re: #492 Cognito
Me too. I can see the benefit for college/highschool text books though. But there is no way I'm kicking back with a electronic device to read a book.

504 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:40:19pm

re: #492 Cognito

I have a hard time envisioning people curling up with a good e-book by the fire on a winter night, or tossing aside an e-book to splash into the surf on a summer day.

But then again, hey. I'm old-fashioned.

Oh, Hi Cog, glad to see you. Now answer my question :)

505 SteveC  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:40:30pm

re: #495 Charles

Looks like about 120 new lizards with this unannounced open registration, and 11 sock puppets.

One of the socks posted this in the Overnight Open Thread:


Scroll to the bottom to see my response.

They really think they can put one over on me, I guess. Surprise!

Well, I hope you kept the coffee before showing him the door!

506 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:40:34pm

I buy local paper newspapers although I read them exclusively online.

/seriously, you can't line a litter box with a Kindle, unless you're rich and don't really care about urine absorption

508 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:41:10pm

re: #495 Charles

Looks like about 120 new lizards with this unannounced open registration, and 11 sock puppets.

One of the socks posted this in the Overnight Open Thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Scroll to the bottom to see my response.

They really think they can put one over on me, I guess. Surprise!

So "starbroker" was not only a retread warmed-over buttocks, but also nic-jacked Israellycool's name?

509 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:42:19pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

Roughly how many might that be?

About 12 people.

510 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #507 Sharmuta

Interesting they felt compelled to respond.

I wonder why?

(Whistling cheerfully...)

511 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:43:26pm

re: #495 Charles

Makes you want to introduce a "bad users" feature again and let them troll without being visible to anybody but themselves, doesn't it? Ah well.

PS: Charles, is it OK to link to Vlaams Belang's website? If not, we need some cleanup here.

512 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:43:31pm

re: #510 Charles

I wonder why?

(Whistling cheerfully...)

How many people's heads are you living in?

513 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:43:31pm

re: #504 Walter L. Newton

Oh, Hi Cog, glad to see you. Now answer my question :)

Does Cognito's company manufacture a competing product?

514 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:43:41pm

re: #435 Charles

Here's a real howler from Uncommon Descent:

Melanie's being persecuted!

Yeah, persecuted. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say things like "I think atheists should be shot." Melanie's account seems to be largely focused on attacking atheists in addition to giving her another opportunity at word play.

Creationists seems to think that Darwinism is a religion for atheists. From that quote you've shown it displays the ignorance of the author to explain that Darwinism is a story of sorts. Darwinism and evolution is not a story it is a science and that's something they fail to understand in addition to refusing to adhere to standard scientific practices.

Creation can be discussed per se in an academic and professional atmosphere but it could only be limited to philosophical, sociological or theological fields. And as alway, public schools are not for the establishment of religion so any religious based or pseudo-science crypto-creationist theology in the form of intelligent design must be prohibited from science classes.

Melanie Phillips also fails to address the practical and future consequences of creationism/ID being stealthily added to school curriculum's. She also fails to understand the political motivation behind these movements in the United States which is apparent in her words. These movements have practical consequences which are immediate in effect and damaging in the long run.

Anyway I'm rambling.

515 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:04pm

re: #498 Truck Monkey

Um, no. I used to love my NBA. I lost almost all interest in the pro game about the time that that sideshow Rodman became the face of the "badboy" NBA. Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony amongst others in the new
ThugBA have pretty much sealed the deal. I remember racing home from church to watch the NBA when Dr J. and later Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played. Times have changed.

I love basketball..I can't help it...

516 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:17pm

re: #503 pingjockey

Weird that I smell a book before I read it. Ahh. If I'm the only one who does this, I was just kidding.

517 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:25pm

re: #512 Sharmuta

How many people's heads are you living in?

I think he's buying timeshares.

/

518 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:38pm

re: #514 Gus 802

Did you see your new friend tried to pay us a visit?

519 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:54pm
520 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:44:59pm

re: #503 pingjockey

Me too. I can see the benefit for college/highschool text books though. But there is no way I'm kicking back with a electronic device to read a book.

I use my Kindle every day. I read myself to sleep with it. It's actually better than a real book for that because it's much lighter, and if I finish a Ken Bruen novel (for example), I can pop onto Amazon, download the next one, and start reading in less than a minute.

The Kindle rocks.

521 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:12pm

re: #510 Charles

I wonder why?

(Whistling cheerfully...)

Time paradox. They responded about a week before LGF posted about it. It's true that it didn't become widely known until LGF posted about it, but in Belgium, there were some anti-VB blogs that covered it before we did.

522 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:15pm

re: #516 SasquatchOnSteroids

Weird that I smell a book before I read it. Ahh. If I'm the only one who does this, I was just kidding.

I guess they could give Kindle a smell of its own

523 LGoPs  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:30pm

Gotta run. Later lizaaaards.

524 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:55pm

re: #516 SasquatchOnSteroids
A book to me, is a total sensory experience, the feel, smell, etc...

525 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:56pm

re: #511 MagnaniomousCoward

Makes you want to introduce a "bad users" feature again and let them troll without being visible to anybody but themselves, doesn't it? Ah well.

PS: Charles, is it OK to link to Vlaams Belang's website? If not, we need some cleanup here.

No problem. They're already watching LGF like fascist hawks.

526 Empire1  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:45:59pm

re: #452 gmsc

If we are designed . . .

. . . why did God design the human jaw to be big enough for 28 teeth, and then give us 32?
. . . why are we designed so that we can not simultaneously breathe and swallow food? What design purpose does the potential for choking serve?
. . . why do we have an extensor coccygis muscle, whose only point would be to flex the coccyx bone if the coccyx weren't fused together?
. . . why weren't humans designed with the ability to regrow limbs? It was obviously "designed" into creatures such as salamanders, so why not humans?
. . . why is the human spine segmented? The spine's "design" is great for horizontal compression, but notoriously poor for vertical stress. When was the last time you saw even an ancient building that was supported by such a structure?
. . . why run a feature as important as the spinal cord through something as poorly designed for an upright creature as the human spine is?

This is either conclusive proof of evolution, or equally conclusive proof that my dachshund (who could do better than that) is smarter than God.

Err ... please don't add to his superiority complex!

527 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:46:36pm

re: #515 HoosierHoops

I love basketball..I can't help it...

Still love the college game and I could watch my kid play until he falls down. Love the Maryland Terrapins and all of the great ACC basketball teams. Great competition. Because I am strapped with the woeful Wizards (Bullets) that I am sour on the pro game. Could be part of it.

528 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:02pm
529 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:03pm

re: #507 Sharmuta

Interesting they felt compelled to respond.

The whole Scientology drug program is one big revenge project that L. Ron Hubbard put on the world. When he was in the Navy, he was being looked at by the rubber room docs, and when he left, he vowed to get back at the whole profession.

It's amazing how big of a con Scientology is.

530 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:09pm

re: #518 Sharmuta

Did you see your new friend tried to pay us a visit?

Yeah, I saw that.

Did some research and it turns out he's also a sockpuppet for Eric Odom at another one of his websites.

//Fruitloops

531 snowcrash  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:13pm

re: #520 Charles
Kindle question, do you have to add on a book light?

532 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:13pm

re: #524 pingjockey

zactly right. Upding for me not being a freak.

533 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:45pm

re: #520 Charles
Someday, in the far distant future, when my minions have grown and I have a bit more disposable income I will have the latest incarnation of the kindle. I like books, but books and tech combined?! Yowza!

534 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:49pm
535 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:51pm

re: #524 pingjockey

A book to me, is a total sensory experience, the feel, smell, etc...

NOW YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! ! !

"Pat the Bunny" is for READING, not EATING.

/

536 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:47:58pm

re: #520 Charles

I think it's just a matter of time. In twenty years people will be, "Paper books?! How old fashioned!" We'll all wonder how we made it without digital docs.

537 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:48:01pm

re: #513 Million Dollar Man

Does Cognito's company manufacture a competing product?

According to him, he is some how involved in the MSM.

538 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:48:14pm

re: #230 formercorpsman


Re: Kindle--sorry if you've heard this from me before, but I got mine about 3 weeks ago and love it. Mainly, I had the "slash for cash" rk surgery about 20 years ago, and now my eyes are slightly less stable then they were. Kindle lets me make everything "large type", and the screen contrast is not as tiring. I can actually read again, which is something I had not been able to do (complter screens were ok to read, just not books) for a couple of years.

I like the fact that I can buy something smack-dab in the middle of a faculty meeting and have it in my hands before the next "uhhhhh".

The voice thing where Kindle reads to you is still in the half-assed development stage--you're not going to get a Jim Dale quality speaker to do the reading.

It's not 100 percent perfect, but I had a real need for something to help with my deteriorating vision.

539 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:48:39pm

re: #527 Truck Monkey

Still love the college game and I could watch my kid play until he falls down. Love the Maryland Terrapins and all of the great ACC basketball teams. Great competition. Because I am strapped with the woeful Wizards (Bullets) that I am sour on the pro game. Could be part of it.

I absolutely love the college game..

540 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:49:05pm

re: #516 SasquatchOnSteroids

Weird that I smell a book before I read it. Ahh. If I'm the only one who does this, I was just kidding.

Grandma was a librarian. She taught me how to break in a book. Carefully open it a few pages in, and using the heel of the hand to ease it open, flip over a few pages and repeat, continue until you come to the end. Start from the back and repeat.

If done right a book will lie flat open and not have a broken spine.

The smell of the new book is very apparent and enjoyable during this process.

Grandma taught me to use a bookmark, never every lay a book open face down. Grandma taught me Dewey, I miss Dewey.

541 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:49:13pm

I have to say that I'm very, very disappointed to discover that Melanie Phillips is such an anti-science fanatic. I guess I should have been reading her stuff more closely, because I was surprised to discover that she's not only anti-evolution, but anti-vaccination, and extremely homophobic to boot. I didn't know any of that until this latest kerfuffle.

542 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:49:33pm

re: #535 OldLineTexan
Who sez?!

543 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:49:33pm

re: #516 SasquatchOnSteroids

Weird that I smell a book before I read it. Ahh. If I'm the only one who does this, I was just kidding.

Sasquatch: New LGF poster, here, but longtime book-sniffer. Especially brand-new books. I was sitting at a red light once, smelling a new acquisition from the bookstore, and noticed the person in the next car giving me the uneasy side-eye.

I'm totally open to Kindle conversion, though, when the economic aspect becomes feasible for me.

544 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:49:39pm

re: #413 SixDegrees

They're not stupid. Moderate debt isn't a bad thing - it lets you do things you otherwise couldn't. Buying a home is the example most people are familiar with. But when debt soars beyond what your real wealth can support, your debt changes from an investment that pays a steady dividend to worthless, uncollectible paper.

These days, it isn't even paper anymore. Beyond the tipping point, the whole thing just vanishes in a 'puff' of abstraction.

The thing is that if the Chinese will not finance our debt by purchasing it, the money Congress insists on printing anyway by increasing the debt will cause hyperinflation. We haven't been at a moderate debt level for quite some time, and all our ruling class wants to do increase the debt so they can buy votes.

545 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:50:08pm

re: #534 Iron Fist

The technology won't stop. There will be electrionic books out there, but not necessarily electronic text books. You can't force them to accept electronic texts. Even it is available, all the professor would have to do is move around a couple of paragraphs, call the electronic copy obsolete, and require his students have his book in their hot little hands by the next lecture.

And it's the digital version that would be the easiest to revise and resend electronically that would allow a professor to alter his text and have the students get a new copy within days- not the analog version.

546 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:50:30pm

re: #543 ShanghaiEd

Welcome. Love the nic!

547 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:50:45pm

re: #531 snowcrash

I bought the add-on book light, and I use it while I read in bed. Otherwise, havn't tried reading in a very dark hall. The contrast is pretty good under normal light conditions, and I can jack up the size.

548 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:51:19pm

re: #540 jcm

Nice !

549 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:51:24pm

re: #542 pingjockey

Who sez?!

/sigh

If you MUST taste it, make sure it doesn't say "Printed in China" for me, OK?

/

550 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:51:35pm

re: #546 Truck Monkey

Thanks, TM. Happy to be here.

551 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:51:42pm

re: #538 Pigtown Water Dog

Would that be "Pigtown" Baltimore?

552 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #531 snowcrash

Kindle question, do you have to add on a book light?

It's like a real book in that way -- no backlighting. If you don't have a bedside lamp, or you don't want to disturb the spouse, a book light is a good idea.

553 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:52:26pm

re: #498 Truck Monkey

Um, no. I used to love my NBA. I lost almost all interest in the pro game about the time that that sideshow Rodman became the face of the "badboy" NBA. Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony amongst others in the new
ThugBA have pretty much sealed the deal. I remember racing home from church to watch the NBA when Dr J. and later Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played. Times have changed.

The Celts also got a draft pick which they used to select Kevin McHale.

554 snowcrash  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:52:29pm

re: #547 Pigtown Water Dog
Thanks, I wondered. BTW, I had RK about 20 yrs ago too and now need reading glasses UGH!

555 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:52:39pm

re: #551 Truck Monkey

Why, yes. You are an individual of taste and culture!

556 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:52:59pm

re: #548 SasquatchOnSteroids

Nice !

I miss Grandma too.

She's been gone for 31 years.

557 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:53:28pm

re: #524 pingjockey

A book to me, is a total sensory experience, the feel, smell, etc...

I once had a book,
Or should I say,
It once had me.

558 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:53:40pm

re: #549 OldLineTexan
Heh! Hey, O'Reilly just played a clip of Jack Bauer going off on Janine Garafsnufuluguss. Funny as hell.

559 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:54:07pm

re: #545 Sharmuta

And it's the digital version that would be the easiest to revise and resend electronically that would allow a professor to alter his text and have the students get a new copy within days- not the analog version.

I AM THE DEAD. By putting this pen to paper, I have sentenced myself to death. It is not a crime to write, but it is a thought crime to reflect on what you have written. The Party writes for us, and my job at the Ministry of Truth requires me to re-write what they have written. I do not write lies; I simply substitute one bit of nonsense for another. I correct the statements and the Ministry of Truth will see to it that no matter where the original statement appeared; newspaper, book, publication or film, these items will be destroyed and replaced with current copies. Everything fades away into this shadow-world where even the date of the current day will become uncertain.

(1984 - the play)

That's what worries me.

560 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:54:19pm
561 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:54:29pm

Anybody here use an iPhone?

I have a really tragic newbie question:

How the hell does one get an "app" into the iPhone?

I finally succeeded in creating an account without having to use a credit card number (thanks to all who helped).

Then, on my computer, I launched iTunes, went to the "app store" and downloaded a free app. It successfully downloaded to my computer and appeared in iTunes.

Then I plugged my iPhone into my computer. And...now what? I can see no way to get the app into the iPhone.

I tried to "sync" iTunes and the iPhone, but that had absolutely no effect. What else is there to do? I tried dragging things around in the windows, but that didn't help.

And if the app did already get into the iPhone, how would I know? Where would I see it?

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

562 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:54:30pm

re: #541 Charles

I have to say that I'm very, very disappointed to discover that Melanie Phillips is such an anti-science fanatic. I guess I should have been reading her stuff more closely, because I was surprised to discover that she's not only anti-evolution, but anti-vaccination, and extremely homophobic to boot. I didn't know any of that until this latest kerfuffle.

For some reason, I'm not so worried about being a "fellow traveler" with an anti-Science anti-gay person as going along with neo-fascists. It might have something to do with how the latter group traditionally being just as dangerous to have in the foxhole with you as a militant islamist. That changes, of course, if Phillips so out there that she wants to kill gays and stuff.

Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't want to be in the bin with her, but what I'm asking is if an alliance of convenience is the way to go. Maybe we can even change her mind gradually? There is no alliance of convenience to be had with fascists, but luddites can be educated.

563 Danny  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:54:47pm

re: #541 Charles

I dunno, she's not saying much worthwhile anyway from what I can tell. She seems like she has some sort of degenerative brain desease. Stuff she says just seems to get dumber and dumber as time goes by.

564 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:55:37pm

re: #435 Charles

Here's a real howler from Uncommon Descent:

Melanie's being persecuted!

Martyr points! Martyr points!

565 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:56:15pm

re: #561 zombie

You need an app for that.......


//// sorry my cruel streak......

566 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:56:27pm

re: #541 Charles

I have to say that I'm very, very disappointed to discover that Melanie Phillips is such an anti-science fanatic. I guess I should have been reading her stuff more closely, because I was surprised to discover that she's not only anti-evolution, but anti-vaccination, and extremely homophobic to boot. I didn't know any of that until this latest kerfuffle.

Me either. Weird. Political blindspot on our part, I guess.

Similar to the way the Left ignores the glaring grotesqueries of their media heroes. (People like Michael Moore, Ward Churchill, etc., who are evil dishonest bullies, but still get lauded by the Left.)

567 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:56:29pm

re: #553 BatGuano

The Celts also got a draft pick which they used to select Kevin McHale.

Great story. Who knew Kevin McHale was going to be so good coming out of college? I used to see him around town when he was at the University of Minnesota. Came from the same town as Bob Dylan.

568 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:56:57pm

re: #561 zombie

my kids said "You summon it."

569 mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:03pm

re: #498 Truck Monkey

I used to love my NBA. I lost almost all interest in the pro game about the time that that sideshow Rodman became the face of the "badboy" NBA. Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony amongst others in the new
ThugBA have pretty much sealed the deal.

Yeah back in the day the refs wouldn't even make bets on games they were going to work.

570 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:03pm

Later folks. Evening service call. Then a looong boat ride to he head of Lake Chelan tomorrow early.If you want to drool, I'm sure there is a website. It looks like a fjord. Plus it is for WORK!

571 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:13pm

re: #556 jcm

I miss Grandma too.

She's been gone for 31 years.

Sounds like she was a wonderful lady. She's taught me something today.
Thanks !

572 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:20pm

re: #555 Pigtown Water Dog

Why, yes. You are an individual of taste and culture!

Not many places on this planet named Pigtown. I just happened to know one.

573 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:24pm

re: #565 jcm

You need an app for that.......

//// sorry my cruel streak......

LOL.

574 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:40pm

re: #568 WindHorse

my kids said "You summon it."

Exactly. It's the kind of thing the average 8-year-old does 15 times an hour -- and I can't figure it out.

575 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:58pm

re: #568 WindHorse

my kids said "You summon it."

At midnight, in a room light by candles?

576 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:57:59pm

re: #554 snowcrash

What the problem is with me, is that the eyes are now unstable, and can vary from hour to hour. There is "slippage..." which makes the adjustment of the kindle great for just being able to see.

Also for we book romantics, I love books too--house full of 'em, but I was starting to feel like the last man on earth in that Twilight Zone episode. The time to read, but smashed glasses...

577 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:58:20pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

There will always be a need for paper copies of documents, but in digitizing them, they are more readily accessed by more people, and it's less expensive and environmentally friendly. I'm less worried about the information as I am the ability of human intellect to understand, as we seem to have allowed logic and reasoning to fall by the wayside.

578 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 5:58:24pm

re: #414 Charles

Absolutely! He's a highly respected geneticist at the University of Chicago.

Thanks for the insight. I am not as familiar with the subject as I should be and don't know all the personalities and names involved.

579 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:00:02pm

re: #574 zombie

hang on.... they are telling me how. I will regurgitate it here in a minute.

580 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:00:10pm

re: #498 Truck Monkey

Um, no. I used to love my NBA. I lost almost all interest in the pro game about the time that that sideshow Rodman became the face of the "badboy" NBA. Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony amongst others in the new
ThugBA have pretty much sealed the deal. I remember racing home from church to watch the NBA when Dr J. and later Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played. Times have changed.

Looks have changed. They all look like thugs.

Bill Laimbeer was a thug. I hated that guy. Pretty much all of the old school Pistons too.

Remember when J.R. Reid knocked out A.C Green's teeth? A.C. was walking around the paint picking up his teeth off the floor.

581 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:00:40pm

re: #5 OldLineTexan

Au contraire, he LOVES dead electrons!

/

Are you positive?
;)

582 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:00:57pm

Evening fellow honcos. I trust everyone had a good weekend. I accompanied my husband to the Walter Reed Centennial celebration Friday and hobknobed with the likes of Generals Farmer and Casey after what was perhaps the quickest get ready for a formal event in the history of females. Then went to my little brother's 30th birthday party, and came home.

Went back to work today and am now checking in. The world is still a mess - up is down, Cynthia McKinney is now a right wing extremist, ay yi yi.

583 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:00:59pm

re: #574 zombie

Exactly. It's the kind of thing the average 8-year-old does 15 times an hour -- and I can't figure it out.


My 3 year old reset the screen resolution on my cell phone (not an iPhone).
I be damned if I can figure out how to reset it!

584 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:01:08pm

re: #566 zombie

Me either. Weird. Political blindspot on our part, I guess.

Similar to the way the Left ignores the glaring grotesqueries of their media heroes. (People like Michael Moore, Ward Churchill, etc., who are evil dishonest bullies, but still get lauded by the Left.)

I wouldn't compare that. Moore and Churchill are celebrated BECAUSE of their kooky nutterism, more like Ann Coulter.

I also know from experience that some of Moore's fans are more nuanced than they let on, and appreciate Moore like a good stage magician - they know what he says is wrong, but it's entertaining to see him appear to be so right. Personally, that is a dangerous view to have, because too many people take him on his word. It's as if you introduced Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal to the boys at the island in Lord of the Flies - you might risk them taking it literally.

585 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:02:03pm

re: #575 jcm

At midnight, in a room light by candles?

Down to the Crossroads (Dylan and Clapton)!:

Youtube Video
586 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:02:04pm

re: #560 buzzsawmonkey

I'm curious as to what makes her "extremely homophobic." Most of the Phillips pieces I've read are on Islamism.

Phillips isn't only opposed to "gay marriage," she's opposed to civil unions -- and apparently even opposed to "irregular heterosexual behavior:" Melanie Phillips’s Articles » The abandonment of marriage.

It would not only allow promiscuous gays to take advantage of the benefits while remaining in legal partnerships; by not even requiring a gay relationship to be consummated in order to qualify, it opens the way for friends to declare themselves in civil partnerships in order to grab the benefits on offer.

In other words, it will usher in a free-for-all that makes a mockery of law, morality and basic social values. How can any responsible government even contemplate such a nihilistic piece of social vandalism?

Some might say that since only a few people are involved, surely it is only compassionate to recognise that they crave the same things in life - loving companionship, stability and security - as heterosexuals. Indeed, there are certainly grounds for compassion (although many of these needs can already be met through private legal arrangements).

But if society is damaged, this argument becomes no more than sloppy sentimentality. Marriage, which provides the glue that holds society together, has long been under assault from our culture of hedonistic individualism. It is most threatened by irregular heterosexual behaviour, notably the rise of cohabitation which, through its inherent instability, is now the main driver behind the inexorable and terrifying increase in unstable families and fatherless children.

Despite being ostensibly reserved for gays, civil partnership rights will create an unstoppable momentum for extending them to heterosexual cohabiting partners.

587 Cognito  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:02:07pm

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

Then again, you have an interest in this not working. Be honest.

Do I?

588 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:02:28pm

re: #572 Truck Monkey

Are we speaking of the loverly Baltimore Pigtown?

589 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:02:29pm

re: #581 gmsc

Are you positive?
;)

Sub atomic particle puns are for bosons!

With that I gotta go....

590 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:02:38pm

re: #574 zombie

Exactly. It's the kind of thing the average 8-year-old does 15 times an hour -- and I can't figure it out.

And once you figure it out it might be one of those "well, DUH" moments. I have them at times.

591 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:03:06pm

re: #586 Charles

Yeesh.

592 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:03:23pm

UH-OH . . .

Middle East Negotiations: This isn’t Hollywood, Rahm
Roger L. Simon

Did Rahm Emanuel just put the screws to his own people? Quite possibly, although all we have at present is a second hand report of what he told 300 big donors to AIPAC in a private meeting. According to the Jerusalem Post: Thwarting Iran’s nuclear program is conditional on progress in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. [bold mine]

Great, Rahm. What a guy you are for spelling this out. But before you do anything, would you please explain the word “progress”? When last we saw serious negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians (Bill Clinton and then Taba), the Palestinians, led by Arafat, walked out and began Intifada II. Would you have blamed Israel for that lack of “progress” and allowed Iran to get the bomb? Could it just be that the Palestinians (Hamas and Fatah) don’t really want a two-state solution? Has the occurred to you after all this time? What if that turns out to be true? Think about that, Rahm. This isn’t a Hollywood negotiation that your brother might conduct between Warner Brothers and Universal. People die here, big time. As Ayatollah Rafsanjani has told us, the Iranians don’t fear a nuclear war with Israel because there are hundreds of more millions of Muslims than there are Jews.

One last question, Rahm. How do you sleep?

593 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:03:40pm

re: #577 Sharmuta

There will always be a need for paper copies of documents, but in digitizing them, they are more readily accessed by more people, and it's less expensive and environmentally friendly. I'm less worried about the information as I am the ability of human intellect to understand, as we seem to have allowed logic and reasoning to fall by the wayside.

Of course, I was only trying to make a point (or shameless self promotion, what ever). We are going to need to have ways to make digital data secure, unalterable, or something like that.

One of the many themes in that show (book) is the technology available to alter, change the past "he who controls the past, controls the future."

So, I would hope that as all this barrels ahead, that we also are concerned with the ramifications of how data can me manipulated.

594 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:03:50pm

re: #590 FurryOldGuyJeans

And once you figure it out it might be one of those "well, DUH" moments. I have them at times.

I dunno, with all this "new tech" stuff, I sometimes feel like either one of the Aborigines in The Gods Must be Crazy, with the coke bottle, or one of the apes in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

595 Cognito  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:03:52pm

re: #500 pink freud

Cog ...nice to see you.

Hey, nice to see you too. And you too, Buzzsawmonkey.

596 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:04:58pm

re: #588 ArmyWife


Can't you just smell it from where you are!1!?

Indeed, we are speaking of it, but thankfully, I'm slightly upwind of it now.

597 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:05:44pm

re: #588 ArmyWife

Are we speaking of the loverly Baltimore Pigtown?

Indeed we are! I am now trying to figure out the "Water Dog" part of the nic. I am thinking Chesapeake Bay Retriever.

598 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:05:44pm

re: #586 Charles

Wow. It's no secret that I am opposed to gay marriage - but that is off putting to me in a big way.

599 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:06:21pm

re: #586 Charles

Yep, there is that phase that makes everything she says ok, in her eyes. "Promiscuous gays." I guess if they all weren't promiscuous, then it would be alright.

600 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:06:37pm

re: #597 Truck Monkey


Nah. I fished a Portie out of the dumpster at the now closede Sav-A-Lot grocery store on Washington Boulevard.

601 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:06:57pm

re: #582 ArmyWife

Welcome home. Nice to see you. :-)

602 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:07:45pm

re: #592 gmsc

UH-OH . . .

Middle East Negotiations: This isn’t Hollywood, Rahm
Roger L. Simon

Thread-worthy

603 JacksonTn  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:07:49pm

re: #601 pink freud

Pink ... how did the finals go? ... I emailed you back the other night ...

604 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:07:52pm

re: #600 Pigtown Water Dog

Nah. I fished a Portie out of the dumpster at the now closede Sav-A-Lot grocery store on Washington Boulevard.

Ahhhhh Route 1. It doesn't get any better does it?

605 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:08:17pm

re: #586 Charles

Wait wait wait. There's "irregular" heterosexual behavior!?

/musta missed that memo ......

606 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:08:35pm

re: #601 pink freud

Hi there! Thank you. This weekend commute from VA to MD has gotten old, fast. Mainly because I have to see DC twice a week when I used to avoid it like the plague. I concerned what they have there is catching and I'll be turning liberal before your very eyes!

607 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:08:36pm

re: #604 Truck Monkey


Got a cat from Mangold Street, too. True local color.

608 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:09:04pm

re: #580 Racer X

Looks have changed. They all look like thugs.

Bill Laimbeer was a thug. I hated that guy. Pretty much all of the old school Pistons too.

Remember when J.R. Reid knocked out A.C Green's teeth? A.C. was walking around the paint picking up his teeth off the floor.

sore loser...the Pistons were a tough defensive team

609 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

Yep, there is that phase that makes everything she says ok, in her eyes. "Promiscuous gays." I guess if they all weren't promiscuous, then it would be alright.

I notice this with a lot of what I'll call "low-grade fanatics" - they've always got the perfect peg upon which to hang their little prejudice. (And I'm not an advocate of 'gay marriage' - whatever that might be, either; I just don't think the State should interfere in lawful contracts and agreements entered into by consenting adults for non-criminal purposes.)

610 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:09:57pm

re: #603 JacksonTn

one down, two to go. yes, i think i got that .....but i am rather frazzled these days ....i will check again

/hi Jackson!

611 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:10:11pm

Zombie,

There is an icon on the home screen (square shaped and purple in color) that, by selecting, takes you to the "Web App" (Application) Store Home. You can browse Apps here, or search. When you find one you would like to download, you select it, and it should take you to a page specific to that "App". On this page, near the top, there is a button that tells you the price (a green rectangle). Press the button that displays the price, and the button writing will change from a "price tag" to a "buy now" button (or a "get now" if it is free). Depress the "buy now" button, and the I-phone should return you to your I-phone's home screen. Immediately, an icon will appear (representing the App you are downloading) with a loading "status" bar beneath it.

Wait until it has downloaded, the status bar will go away and the icon now becomes usable.

Good luck.

612 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:10:30pm

re: #577 Sharmuta

There will always be a need for paper copies of documents, but in digitizing them, they are more readily accessed by more people, and it's less expensive and environmentally friendly. I'm less worried about the information as I am the ability of human intellect to understand, as we seem to have allowed logic and reasoning to fall by the wayside.

I'd eliminate "paper" and replace it with "permanent". The trouble with digital is permanence. Some are studying ways to make it more permanent. Materials change as we progress, paper and ink could be replaced with something cheaper and more permanent in the future.

613 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:11:02pm

re: #605 pink freud

Wait wait wait. There's "irregular" heterosexual behavior!?

.

Would that be at irregular intervals (sounds like marriage for many) or in irregular ways (sounds like the pay-per-view channels on Direct TV)? Just asking.

614 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:11:21pm

re: #606 ArmyWife

Hi there! Thank you. This weekend commute from VA to MD has gotten old, fast. Mainly because I have to see DC twice a week when I used to avoid it like the plague. I concerned what they have there is catching and I'll be turning liberal before your very eyes!

Nope. Sorry. Not an option. :-)

Sounds like you had a nice weekend, though.

615 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:12:00pm

re: #609 Guanxi88

I notice this with a lot of what I'll call "low-grade fanatics" - they've always got the perfect peg upon which to hang their little prejudice. (And I'm not an advocate of 'gay marriage' - whatever that might be, either; I just don't think the State should interfere in lawful contracts and agreements entered into by consenting adults for non-criminal purposes.)

And you can look these people like Melanie straight in the eye, and point that out to them, and they will sincerely look right back at you and have no clue as to what the problem is.

616 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:12:08pm

re: #591 Killgore Trout

Yeesh.

Well, shoot. I think of abandoning marriage 3-4 times a week lately.

/I did not know that about myself

617 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:12:09pm

Levon Helm

Youtube Video
618 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:12:30pm

Well, on average, practicing homosexual men may be more promiscuous than heterosexual men (probably not by a lot), but I would think that same-sex civil unions would make it better, not worse.

(For the record: I am still undecided on gay marriage, but I am totally against judges overstepping their powers. Here in Norway we have gay marriage through a law legally passed in the parliament - not on the whims of some unelected judges.)

619 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:12:39pm

re: #586 Charles

Based upon the quote you cited this Phillips person is not only homophobic, but also against all heterosexual relationships unless they are sanctified by marriage.
In my book that makes her an intolerant and prudish religious zealot.

620 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:13:17pm

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

Yep, there is that phase that makes everything she says ok, in her eyes. "Promiscuous gays." I guess if they all weren't promiscuous, then it would be alright.

But promiscuous straights are ok in her book it seems.

621 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:13:44pm

re: #586 Charles

Phillips sez:

[Marriage] is most threatened by irregular heterosexual behaviour, notably the rise of cohabitation which, through its inherent instability, is now the main driver behind the inexorable and terrifying increase in unstable families and fatherless children.

Despite being ostensibly reserved for gays, civil partnership rights will create an unstoppable momentum for extending them to heterosexual cohabiting partners

.

Again she is unfamiliar with the legal landscape. If she pretends to speak to the world she should at least familiarize herself with common law marriages which are on the books in many states. It is not even a matter of mere "cohabitation" to which points to but in some cases an automatic legal contract. Civil unions if anything will create a legally binding contract between spouses which in many cases leads to greater social stability in states were this was not available.

So she's against cohabitation and against civil unions for those engaging in as she calls "irregular heterosexual behaviour." I will assume then that she would have us return to legal system in which both are deemed illegal and limit all relationships to a church sanctioned marriage. The logical extension of this would be to outlaw if not greatly curtail divorces.

622 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:14:09pm

re: #613 Guanxi88

Would that be at irregular intervals (sounds like marriage for many) or in irregular ways (sounds like the pay-per-view channels on Direct TV)? Just asking.

Would have to mean irregular ways, I would think. Who defines irregular!?

I reject the notion. ;-)

623 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:14:18pm

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

And you can look these people like Melanie straight in the eye, and point that out to them, and they will sincerely look right back at you and have no clue as to what the problem is.

That's what makes them fanatics; what makes them low-grade is that they're not obviously foaming at the mouth about it; they've got enough shame, manners, or tactical savvy to keep it relatively quiet.

I try to doubt myself at least as much as my wife and family do, and I'm sufficiently boorish that my irrational prejudices stink and shine for all to see. Between these two pathologies, I can sorta kinda pass as an OK guy.

624 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:14:39pm
625 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:15:15pm

re: #622 pink freud

Would have to mean irregular ways, I would think. Who defines irregular!?

I reject the notion. ;-)

Melanie "Fuddy Duddy" Phillips

//

626 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:15:39pm

re: #586 Charles

Phillips isn't only opposed to "gay marriage," she's opposed to civil unions -- and apparently even opposed to "irregular heterosexual behavior:" Melanie Phillips’s Articles » The abandonment of marriage.

Strange attitude she has. Kind of 17th century.

I myself voted against Prop. 8 (as I think you once said that you did as well), because I am not opposed to gay marriage in principle, but I do have some understanding of the milieu from which Melanie is coming on this issue, even though I don't share her view. I wouldn't call her attitude "extremely homophobic," but more "anti-sexual freedom," because her stance opposes wild-and-crazy (i.e. outside of marriage) heterosexual sex as well.

And yet, living in the absolute epicenter of the "gay rights scene" as I do, I have gotten extremely weary of the relentless and intentional "pushing the envelope" on sexual issues by certain segments of the queer activist community. Their juvenile contrarianism lost its charm years ago. If the movement really was just about equal rights, equality in relationships, etc., I would have no problem with it -- just as I would have no problem with many other "liberal" issues. The problem arises because the activists continually step over the line and go beyond mere "equality" to a more revolutionary stance -- an attempt to replace existing social mores entirely. Just as what happens with other "liberal" positions as well.

And I was absolutely appalled by the brown-shirt-style jackboot tactics that the Prop. 8 opponents used after the election -- menacing Prop. 8 supporters with violence, threats of "exposure," harrassment, etc. Made me ashamed to have sided with them.

Anyway, I don't agree with Melanie on this particular issue either, but I can at least sort of see the roots of her attitude.

627 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:15:49pm

re: #617 albusteve

Levon Helm


[Video]

Maisey the Parrot loved it.

628 livefreeor die  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:16:15pm

re: #606 ArmyWife

Hi there! Thank you. This weekend commute from VA to MD has gotten old, fast. Mainly because I have to see DC twice a week when I used to avoid it like the plague. I concerned what they have there is catching and I'll be turning liberal before your very eyes!

We'll never let that happen!

629 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:16:33pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Melanie "Fuddy Duddy" Phillips

//

Melanie 'Missionary" Phillips.

630 mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:16:52pm

re: #541 Charles

I have to say that I'm very, very disappointed to discover that Melanie Phillips is such an anti-science fanatic. I guess I should have been reading her stuff more closely, because I was surprised to discover that she's not only anti-evolution, but anti-vaccination, and extremely homophobic to boot. I didn't know any of that until this latest kerfuffle.

I never knew any of that stuff about her either and how many years have the lefties in London been ranting on about "Mad Mel". I don't remember the criticisms of her ever being about her anti-science kookery. It was always something to do with her being anti-immigrant and everyone knows which immigrants I'm talking about.

631 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:17:52pm

re: #629 pink freud

Melanie 'Missionary" Phillips.

Doh!

632 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:17:54pm

re: #618 MagnaniomousCoward

Well, on average, practicing homosexual men may be more promiscuous than heterosexual men (probably not by a lot), but I would think that same-sex civil unions would make it better, not worse.

(For the record: I am still undecided on gay marriage, but I am totally against judges overstepping their powers. Here in Norway we have gay marriage through a law legally passed in the parliament - not on the whims of some unelected judges.)

Whoa, whoa, whoa... where do you get your stats from. How about some links to some scientific data on that.

What a back handed compliment. Yea, those queers may be whores, so we should let them have some sort of civil union.

I can't believe you said that?

633 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:18:10pm

re: #630 mich-again

I never knew any of that stuff about her either and how many years have the lefties in London been ranting on about "Mad Mel". I don't remember the criticisms of her ever being about her anti-science kookery. It was always something to do with her being anti-immigrant and everyone knows which immigrants I'm talking about.

It was the Irish, right?

634 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:18:38pm

re: #611 WindHorse

Zombie,

There is an icon on the home screen (square shaped and purple in color) that, by selecting, takes you to the "Web App" (Application) Store Home. You can browse Apps here, or search. When you find one you would like to download, you select it, and it should take you to a page specific to that "App". On this page, near the top, there is a button that tells you the price (a green rectangle). Press the button that displays the price, and the button writing will change from a "price tag" to a "buy now" button (or a "get now" if it is free). Depress the "buy now" button, and the I-phone should return you to your I-phone's home screen. Immediately, an icon will appear (representing the App you are downloading) with a loading "status" bar beneath it.

Wait until it has downloaded, the status bar will go away and the icon now becomes usable.

Good luck.

Thanks. But...The instructions you gave are for downloading the app directly from iTunes's "app store" to the iPhone. But I've already downloaded the app to my computer. My question is: How can I get the app from the computer to the iPhone?

635 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:18:59pm

re: #627 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot loved it.

of course...she's a parrot...she knows the score

636 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:19:09pm

re: #634 zombie

okay..... hang on....

637 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:19:16pm
638 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Doh!

Melanie 'Missionary Position' Phillips too over the top then?

639 pewboy  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:19:43pm
Youtube Video
640 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:19:48pm

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

This argument opens the "slippery slope" retort - how many consenting adults? 2? 10? What about the effect on insurance companies? Could it be the left's support for this really has more to do with tumbling down the slope in an effort to ensure companies can no longer afford to offer health care coverage due to the ever expanding "dependent" base? Wouldn't that create a lot of voters supporting socialized medicine out of need rather than want? Do I need to don my tinfoil chapeau?

641 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:20:17pm

re: #618 MagnaniomousCoward

Well, on average, practicing homosexual men may be more promiscuous than heterosexual men (probably not by a lot), but I would think that same-sex civil unions would make it better, not worse.

Exactly. That's why Melanie's position is illogical.

If you are against promiscuous sex, wouldn't you want people to get married?

642 Gus  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:20:39pm

re: #638 FurryOldGuyJeans

Melanie 'Missionary Position' Phillips too over the top then?

I was waiting for someone else to type that out. ;)

643 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:20:39pm

re: #634 zombie

Thanks. But...The instructions you gave are for downloading the app directly from iTunes's "app store" to the iPhone. But I've already downloaded the app to my computer. My question is: How can I get the app from the computer to the iPhone?

14 feet of rubber hosing, a yak, and lots of lubricant?

644 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:21:06pm

re: #634 zombie

I think I am giving up. They, flippantly, just told me that you can't run these Apps on your computer, that you can only run Apps "on your handheld Apple product".

:)

645 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:21:10pm

re: #641 zombie

Exactly. That's why Melanie's position is illogical.

If you are against promiscuous sex, wouldn't you want people to get married?

Marriage does have the effect of reducing sex.

/or so I have heard

646 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:21:15pm

re: #612 Thanos

I'd eliminate "paper" and replace it with "permanent". The trouble with digital is permanence. Some are studying ways to make it more permanent. Materials change as we progress, paper and ink could be replaced with something cheaper and more permanent in the future.

I have faith that the technology to protect digital information will figure these issues out. I would think rewriting a book would be a copyright infringement, as an example. There would probably be a development to encode and protect such documents. Needless to say- it's an exciting time in digital documentation- a lot of innovations, and the questions and problems that arise from it is natural, and will lead to further innovations. Much like other technology and progress.

647 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:21:19pm

re: #643 FurryOldGuyJeans

14 feet of rubber hosing, a yak, and lots of lubricant?

Don't forget the jumper cables, you cannot do a thing without jumper cables

648 quickjustice  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:21:33pm

re: #619 Spare O'Lake

Meaning you don't like her because she won't put out? Sheesh! At least give her a fair chance!

649 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:21:51pm

re: #644 WindHorse

I think I am giving up. They, flippantly, just told me that you can't run these Apps on your computer, that you can only run Apps "on your handheld Apple product".

:)

Do you have an analog belt?

/

650 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:22:13pm

re: #640 ArmyWife

This argument opens the "slippery slope" retort - how many consenting adults? 2? 10? What about the effect on insurance companies? Could it be the left's support for this really has more to do with tumbling down the slope in an effort to ensure companies can no longer afford to offer health care coverage due to the ever expanding "dependent" base? Wouldn't that create a lot of voters supporting socialized medicine out of need rather than want? Do I need to don my tinfoil chapeau?

Look, we take care of all sorts of arrangements, why does it suddenly have to be cut off at gays? It can be worked out, right?

651 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:22:36pm

I always thought that "irregular heterosexual behaviour" was when a guy wasn't getting enough.
Boy am I dumb.

652 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:22:52pm

re: #645 OldLineTexan

Marriage does have the effect of reducing sex.

/or so I have heard

Sure worked in my case. Having a nagging spouse does something to a libido.

653 Noam Sayin'  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:23:10pm

Ugh. Orlando is running the Celtics out of their own building.

654 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:23:20pm

re: #619 Spare O'Lake

Based upon the quote you cited this Phillips person is not only homophobic, but also against all heterosexual relationships unless they are sanctified by marriage.
In my book that makes her an intolerant and prudish religious zealot.

It makes her no such thing in mine. She's not saying that such relationships should be criminalized, simply that they should not occur for moral reasons. Opposing sex outside marriage on moral grounds is a fully defensible position in my eyes.

655 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:23:49pm

re: #632 Walter L. Newton


What a back handed compliment. Yea, those queers may be whores, so we should let them have some sort of civil union.

I can't believe you said that?

I think part of the problem (and I say this as a straight) is that most pop culture depictions of homosexuality tend to gravitate toward images of promiscuity. This is because the homosexual as "the Other" (and forgive me for going off on a cultural criticism rant) must be depicted as altogether alien, that is, as the antithesis of the heterosexual. Because the cultural norm is, or should be, monogamy in heterosexual relationships, the Other must therefore be depicted as promiscuous. There's probably a lot of projection and wish-fulfillment in the production of these cultural images, to be sure, but I think many people's ideas of gays and homosexuals are shaped by the images they consume in the culture at large.

For a parallel case, try to imagine living in the Amazon and watching satellite TV. You'd think, if you saw Baywatch a lot, that the US was an island nation, very narrow, and peopled by anatomically unusual specimens.

It's all images, shadows on the wall of the cave.

656 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #644 WindHorse

I think I am giving up. They, flippantly, just told me that you can't run these Apps on your computer, that you can only run Apps "on your handheld Apple product".

:)

Oh well -- thanks anyway!

Back to the drawing board. I know that it is possible to transfer the app from the computer to the iPhone, I just can't figure out how.

657 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:24:12pm

re: #645 OldLineTexan

Marriage does have the effect of reducing sex.

/or so I have heard

It reminds me of the three rings of marraige.
First, the engagement ring.
Second, the wedding ring. And
Third, the suffering.

658 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:24:19pm

re: #634 zombie

How it's supposed to work -- you plug your I-pod/phone into the computer, this immediately begins a "synchronizing" -- you'll see the message at the top of the ITunes program (on the computer)...when it's finished syching, it'll let you know that you can disconnect your IPod, etc. (there are "preferences" under the Edit menu...have you checked those out?)

659 avspatti  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:24:21pm

Kindle question here: Is it possible to download Kindle books to my MacBook and read on that?

660 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:24:36pm

bigtime soul


Youtube Video
661 mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:24:46pm

re: #580 Racer X

Bill Laimbeer was a thug. I hated that guy. Pretty much all of the old school Pistons too.

Funny. I loved that guy. Played tough defense and rebounded every night, had a deadly 18' jumper and played hard every night. Oh and the two Championship rings. Those were nice.

662 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:24:54pm

re: #626 zombie

I don't think it ever was about "equal rights". No one has the unfettered right in this country to marry whomever they wish. The issue is forcing acceptance of this lifestlye and all that goes with it on me, and that is my heartburn. The call that it's to protect property, visit in hospitals, etc. is bunk. Each and every concern can be addressed in another legal manner.

That said - I do not care what one does in their bedroom behind closed doors between consenting adults. Wear a pony suit and clop around all darn day, I really don't care. I just don't want to be privy to it!

663 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:25:14pm

Hey, did any of you other lizards get the invite to be part of the RNC Chairman's Task Force? All I'd have to donate is $180 a year.

The invitation letter doesn't mention social conservatism at all, but it could be a semi-custom thing based upon answers I've sent to RNC questionnaires.

just curious if anybody else got one of these.

664 JacksonTn  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:25:57pm

re: #660 albusteve

albusteve ... one of my favorite songs ... love Levon ...

665 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:25:58pm

re: #661 mich-again

Funny. I loved that guy. Played tough defense and rebounded every night, had a deadly 18' jumper and played hard every night. Oh and the two Championship rings. Those were nice.

And he was a crybaby, a hack and a cheater, but besides that, he was great!

/

He was entertaining and you cannot dispute his efforts. Not many players like that in the game now.

666 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:26:35pm

re: #621 Gus 802

I think she missed the target altogether- the problem isn't marriages/civil unions, but how welfare promotes the degradation of relationships involving children. You can't stop two grown adults from sharing a roof- whether just roommates, or a more intimate relationship is involved. But unplanned pregnancies in these more intimate co-habitation relationships no longer requires a solution of marriage because the state will fund that child through entitlement programs.

667 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:26:43pm

re: #632 Walter L. Newton

I worded that badly. I should have said

Even if practicing homosexuals were to be more promiscuous than heterosexuals wouldn't same-sex civil unions would make it better, rather than worse?

668 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:26:50pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

It makes her no such thing in mine. She's not saying that such relationships should be criminalized, simply that they should not occur for moral reasons. Opposing sex outside marriage on moral grounds is a fully defensible position in my eyes.

Oy to the vay!

669 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:27:24pm

re: #650 Walter L. Newton

What arrangements? Most can be worked out through many legal channels that don't involve marriage. Wills cover assets and what is left to whom, otherwise cats and dogs wouldn't inherit millions. You can visit whomever you want in a hospital, no need to be a relative. You can specify who is able to make medical decisions through a power of attorney....did I miss anything?

670 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:27:24pm

re: #655 Guanxi88

I think part of the problem (and I say this as a straight) is that most pop culture depictions of homosexuality tend to gravitate toward images of promiscuity. This is because the homosexual as "the Other" (and forgive me for going off on a cultural criticism rant) must be depicted as altogether alien, that is, as the antithesis of the heterosexual. Because the cultural norm is, or should be, monogamy in heterosexual relationships, the Other must therefore be depicted as promiscuous. There's probably a lot of projection and wish-fulfillment in the production of these cultural images, to be sure, but I think many people's ideas of gays and homosexuals are shaped by the images they consume in the culture at large.

For a parallel case, try to imagine living in the Amazon and watching satellite TV. You'd think, if you saw Baywatch a lot, that the US was an island nation, very narrow, and peopled by anatomically unusual specimens.

It's all images, shadows on the wall of the cave.

And it amazes me (and I say this as a straight), that most of society is so ready to make accomodations for everyone, right up to one-legged Aztec midgets, but when it comes to gays, all that goes right out the window.

Can't stand it.

671 mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:28:01pm

re: #665 Desert Dog

Remember this Sports Illustrated cover. One of my favorites.

"Foul? What foul? I didn't touch him!"

672 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:28:07pm

re: #655 Guanxi88

I think part of the problem (and I say this as a straight) is that most pop culture depictions of homosexuality tend to gravitate toward images of promiscuity. This is because the homosexual as "the Other" (and forgive me for going off on a cultural criticism rant) must be depicted as altogether alien, that is, as the antithesis of the heterosexual. Because the cultural norm is, or should be, monogamy in heterosexual relationships, the Other must therefore be depicted as promiscuous. There's probably a lot of projection and wish-fulfillment in the production of these cultural images, to be sure, but I think many people's ideas of gays and homosexuals are shaped by the images they consume in the culture at large.

But...there are innumerable sociological studies which show that gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men -- whereas gay women are less promiscuous than straight women.

It's pretty much an acknowledged fact that the average gay man in American has many more sexual partners per year than the average straight man. It's not just a bias depicted in the culture, or a wish-fulfillment. It's real.

(Not that I care one way or the other, but just to point out the stats.)

673 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:28:15pm

re: #659 avspatti

Kindle question here: Is it possible to download Kindle books to my MacBook and read on that?

I don't have one, so I don't really know the answer. But I suspect it's "no," and that's one reason why I've been so reluctant to buy a Kindle. I don't like the idea of paying for all those files, and then having them sit on my 1GB device in some proprietary format that I can't backup or use for anything else. What if my Kindle breaks? What if Amazon suddenly decides they're going to charge me an additional $5 per book per year, or they lock of my already-paid-for files?

Once nice thing about a regular paper book: once I have it on my shelf, there's nothing the publisher can do to take it away from me (unless they send FEMA stormtroopers in black helicopters to break into my house and steal it).

674 Altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:28:27pm

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

And it amazes me (and I say this as a straight), that most of society is so ready to make accomodations for everyone, right up to one-legged Aztec midgets, but when it comes to gays, all that goes right out the window.

Can't stand it.

Neither do the one legged aztec midgets.

675 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:28:48pm

re: #661 mich-again

Funny. I loved that guy. Played tough defense and rebounded every night, had a deadly 18' jumper and played hard every night. Oh and the two Championship rings. Those were nice.

Back in the days of when Dennis Rodman was 'normal'. I liked Lambier because he was an ass and he knew it. He relished the role. Would have made a great AWA Wrestler!

676 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:29:27pm

re: #658 J.S.

How it's supposed to work -- you plug your I-pod/phone into the computer, this immediately begins a "synchronizing" -- you'll see the message at the top of the ITunes program (on the computer)...when it's finished syching, it'll let you know that you can disconnect your IPod, etc. (there are "preferences" under the Edit menu...have you checked those out?)

I did "sync" already, but nothing transferred. That was the first thing I tried.

And yes, I've scanned the preferences for clues. Zilch.

677 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:29:29pm

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

And it amazes me (and I say this as a straight), that most of society is so ready to make accomodations for everyone, right up to one-legged Aztec midgets, but when it comes to gays, all that goes right out the window.

Can't stand it.

I would say they are much more accepted in every way today that even 10 years ago. I will not grant them victim status in this day and age.

In the past? yes

now? no way

678 lawhawk  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:29:54pm

re: #645 OldLineTexan

Marriage does have the effect of reducing sex.

/or so I have heard

Maybe you're just not doing it right? /

679 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:30:15pm

re: #662 ArmyWife

I don't think it ever was about "equal rights". No one has the unfettered right in this country to marry whomever they wish. The issue is forcing acceptance of this lifestlye and all that goes with it on me, and that is my heartburn. The call that it's to protect property, visit in hospitals, etc. is bunk. Each and every concern can be addressed in another legal manner.

That said - I do not care what one does in their bedroom behind closed doors between consenting adults. Wear a pony suit and clop around all darn day, I really don't care. I just don't want to be privy to it!

/takes off pony suit
/dang

680 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:30:26pm

re: #663 funky chicken

Hey, did any of you other lizards get the invite to be part of the RNC Chairman's Task Force? All I'd have to donate is $180 a year.

The invitation letter doesn't mention social conservatism at all, but it could be a semi-custom thing based upon answers I've sent to RNC questionnaires.

just curious if anybody else got one of these.

Oh, and that's an ironic "all I have to donate is $180 a year." But I've been griping about the direction of the GOP and despairing that non-social/religious conservatives aren't welcome, so if this is a legit thingie, perhaps I should try it.

681 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:30:52pm

re: #678 lawhawk

Maybe you're just not doing it right? /

My wife claims I'm unfaithful because none of the kids look like me.

/

682 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:30:59pm

re: #666 Sharmuta

I think she missed the target altogether- the problem isn't marriages/civil unions, but how welfare promotes the degradation of relationships involving children. You can't stop two grown adults from sharing a roof- whether just roommates, or a more intimate relationship is involved. But unplanned pregnancies in these more intimate co-habitation relationships no longer requires a solution of marriage because the state will fund that child through entitlement programs.

I have found that more than a few pregnancies of unmarried people are planned.

683 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:31:11pm

re: #669 ArmyWife

What arrangements? Most can be worked out through many legal channels that don't involve marriage. Wills cover assets and what is left to whom, otherwise cats and dogs wouldn't inherit millions. You can visit whomever you want in a hospital, no need to be a relative. You can specify who is able to make medical decisions through a power of attorney....did I miss anything?

IU am not going to argue with you on this, I like you, and all the Lizards too much. It just seems to me that gays are one of the last groups who we just "can't we all get along" with.

I get a little too worked up about this subject, and I am saying this as a straight male, but, really, I don't want to argue with Lizards on this.

Everything that needs to be said has been said, and much better than me.

684 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:31:13pm

re: #672 zombie

But...there are innumerable sociological studies which show that gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men -- whereas gay women are less promiscuous than straight women.

It's pretty much an acknowledged fact that the average gay man in American has many more sexual partners per year than the average straight man. It's not just a bias depicted in the culture, or a wish-fulfillment. It's real.

(Not that I care one way or the other, but just to point out the stats.)

I think part of the difference in stats could be explained, once more, by the people involved. Men, in general, can be expected to be more active in the pursuit of the satisfaction of their libidinous appetites. Well, if it's men with men, you do the math.

I realize that a collection of individual anecdotes is not data, but damned near every gay I ever met had a life that was, in most respects, every but as dull and quotidian as anyone else's.

685 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:31:44pm

re: #672 zombie

But...there are innumerable sociological studies which show that gay men are much more promiscuous than straight men -- whereas gay women are less promiscuous than straight women.

It's pretty much an acknowledged fact that the average gay man in American has many more sexual partners per year than the average straight man. It's not just a bias depicted in the culture, or a wish-fulfillment. It's real.

(Not that I care one way or the other, but just to point out the stats.)

Links?

686 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:31:57pm

re: #680 funky chicken

They know better than to send it to me.

687 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:31:59pm

re: #676 zombie

I did "sync" already, but nothing transferred. That was the first thing I tried.

And yes, I've scanned the preferences for clues. Zilch.

Shoot the bugger.

688 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:32:32pm

re: #684 Guanxi88

I think part of the difference in stats could be explained, once more, by the people involved. Men, in general, can be expected to be more active in the pursuit of the satisfaction of their libidinous appetites. Well, if it's men with men, you do the math.

I realize that a collection of individual anecdotes is not data, but damned near every gay I ever met had a life that was, in most respects, every but as dull and quotidian as anyone else's.

Spot on.

689 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:32:39pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake
Get a bigger hammer to whack it with.

690 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #681 OldLineTexan

My wife claims I'm unfaithful because none of the kids look like me.

/

Funny that. If I hadn't seen my three kids fall out of the old lady, I'd swear they weren't hers! ; )

691 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:33:06pm

re: #685 Walter L. Newton

Links?

You get anything from FED-EX today?

692 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:33:07pm

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

We shall agree to disagree then. A very fair and reasonable request.

693 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:33:24pm

re: #671 mich-again

Remember this Sports Illustrated cover. One of my favorites.

"Foul? What foul? I didn't touch him!"

Thank you for rekindling my hatred for Laimbeer. Ok, it wasn't hatred. He was a "tough competitor"..

694 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:33:45pm

re: #680 funky chicken

Oh, and that's an ironic "all I have to donate is $180 a year." But I've been griping about the direction of the GOP and despairing that non-social/religious conservatives aren't welcome, so if this is a legit thingie, perhaps I should try it.

I think "chairman's task force" is just a meaningless term to try to make you feel important. Charitable organizations often use terms like this. For example, if you give $100 to something, you can be a "member." But for $500, you're a "benefactor." For $1000, you're a "sustainer." For $2500, you're in the "executive leadership committee." For $5000, "presidential gold circle society." Etc.

695 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:33:49pm

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

That really bugs my husband as well. He's quite religious and I've witnessed several discussions at Sunday School (I go with him because it makes him happy) where he calls people on their tendency to treat homosexuality like it's some kind of uber-sin.

He's conservative, military, very macho, etc, so it's always a treat to see the other folks in the room try to explain why they think homosexuality is so much worse than, for example, no-fault divorce.

696 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:33:49pm

re: #668 Spare O'Lake

Oy to the vay!

You disagree, that's fair. Why do you disagree?

697 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:34:03pm

Melanie Phillips additionally misses the target in that it is not marriage, imo, that is the glue of society, but rather the upholding of the rule of law. It is in upholding the law (the societal contract between government and the citizens) that stability for a society is achieved. If Ms. Phillips is so concerned about societal contracts being upheld, she should support and demand enforcement of the most basic contract of all- the rule of law.

They have different concepts on the rule of law in europe than we have here in America, but the odd thing is, upholding the law, and enforcing it would not only assist Ms Phillips in her opinions on marriage, but with the islamization of the UK as well. Funny how that works.

698 Altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:34:25pm

re: #677 Desert Dog

I would say they are much more accepted in every way today that even 10 years ago. I will not grant them victim status in this day and age.

In the past? yes

now? no way

I took a look at the polling methods for a gallup poll someone linked to a while back on who americans would be willing to vote for. ~43% of the population would still refuse to vote for a gay man, which is actually more than a decade ago(37%). Of course, thats much better than the 65% or so that would have refused 25 years ago.

Now, I know that polls are a terrible way of measuring if they are victims, but I think it does a solid job of showing how 'accepted' they are. Theres been progress- but it hasn't been that clear-cut.

699 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:34:50pm

re: #691 HoosierHoops

You get anything from FED-EX today?

No. Nothing on the door, nothing in the office, I've been here all day except for an hour this morning.

700 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:34:59pm

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

IU am not going to argue with you on this, I like you, and all the Lizards too much. It just seems to me that gays are one of the last groups who we just "can't we all get along" with.

I get a little too worked up about this subject, and I am saying this as a straight male, but, really, I don't want to argue with Lizards on this.

Everything that needs to be said has been said, and much better than me.

We live in different cultural setting, I think. Around here (SF), there is absolutely not a single issue or legal setting in which gays are not totally accepted and have at-least equality. Don't understand what you mean about them being the last minority discriminated against. In my world, this attitude is much much more common.

701 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:35:52pm

re: #699 Walter L. Newton

No. Nothing on the door, nothing in the office, I've been here all day except for an hour this morning.

Look 10 houses down. ( in both directions)

that seems to be where they always leave my packages.

never on my doorstep!

702 mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:36:15pm

re: #693 BatGuano

Thank you for rekindling my hatred for Laimbeer.

I'm here to help!

703 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:36:39pm

re: #697 Sharmuta

Melanie Phillips additionally misses the target in that it is not marriage, imo, that is the glue of society, but rather the upholding of the rule of law. It is in upholding the law (the societal contract between government and the citizens) that stability for a society is achieved. If Ms. Phillips is so concerned about societal contracts being upheld, she should support and demand enforcement of the most basic contract of all- the rule of law.

They have different concepts on the rule of law in europe than we have here in America, but the odd thing is, upholding the law, and enforcing it would not only assist Ms Phillips in her opinions on marriage, but with the islamization of the UK as well. Funny how that works.

Damn! You're one smart smurf!

704 Digital Display  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:36:43pm

re: #699 Walter L. Newton

No. Nothing on the door, nothing in the office, I've been here all day except for an hour this morning.

Well crap! I sent it 2 day Friday..You'll see it Tuesday...

705 Truck Monkey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:36:54pm

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

I don't think there is a thing that Gays could do to marriage that the heteros haven't completely f*cked up already.

706 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:37:05pm

re: #682 MandyManners

I have found that more than a few pregnancies of unmarried people are planned.

I would say again that it's due to the welfare state undermining the family that has allowed out-of-wedlock births to explode, because the social stigma has been erased.

707 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:37:09pm

re: #698 Altermite

I took a look at the polling methods for a gallup poll someone linked to a while back on who americans would be willing to vote for. ~43% of the population would still refuse to vote for a gay man, which is actually more than a decade ago(37%). Of course, thats much better than the 65% or so that would have refused 25 years ago.

Now, I know that polls are a terrible way of measuring if they are victims, but I think it does a solid job of showing how 'accepted' they are. Theres been progress- but it hasn't been that clear-cut.

Well, I think someone posted a survey here about who people would not vote for and I believe women were high up on the list as well. I would say women have come very far as well. Is everything perfect? Not yet, but the society is heading that way.

708 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:37:48pm

re: #703 Guanxi88

Thanks!

709 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:00pm
710 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:09pm

re: #700 zombie

We live in different cultural setting, I think. Around here (SF), there is absolutely not a single issue or legal setting in which gays are not totally accepted and have at-least equality. Don't understand what you mean about them being the last minority discriminated against. In my world, this attitude is much much more common.

Have you been reading this thread? My proof is right here. Get your ass out to fly over country and see what you run into.

711 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:15pm

a drunkards dream...


Youtube Video
712 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:18pm

re: #694 Last Mohican

I think "chairman's task force" is just a meaningless term to try to make you feel important. Charitable organizations often use terms like this. For example, if you give $100 to something, you can be a "member." But for $500, you're a "benefactor." For $1000, you're a "sustainer." For $2500, you're in the "executive leadership committee." For $5000, "presidential gold circle society." Etc.

Right. But $180 is pretty cheap, and I really like the letter. Like I said, it has ZERO references to social/religious issues and is strong on fiscal conservatism and national security. If I want them to head more in that direction and less in the hysterical "SEND THE GOP MONEY TO PROTECT MARRIAGE" direction, should I consider rewarding them?

I was honestly just wondering if anybody else got one of these letters.

713 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:40pm

re: #702 mich-again

I admit, I bought his rookie card.

714 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:38:48pm

re: #698 Altermite

I took a look at the polling methods for a gallup poll someone linked to a while back on who americans would be willing to vote for. ~43% of the population would still refuse to vote for a gay man, which is actually more than a decade ago(37%). Of course, thats much better than the 65% or so that would have refused 25 years ago.

I think that was me. Here's the poll. 43% said they would refuse to vote for a homosexual for president. Only one category of those mentioned in the poll was more of a turn-off for the respondents: 53% said they would refuse to vote for an atheist.

715 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:39:13pm

re: #712 funky chicken

Right. But $180 is pretty cheap, and I really like the letter. Like I said, it has ZERO references to social/religious issues and is strong on fiscal conservatism and national security. If I want them to head more in that direction and less in the hysterical "SEND THE GOP MONEY TO PROTECT MARRIAGE" direction, should I consider rewarding them?

I was honestly just wondering if anybody else got one of these letters.

None here yet, and I am on everyone's "Sucker List"

716 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:39:27pm

re: #706 Sharmuta

I agree completely and the ones that suffer are the babies. Children thrive in 2 parent households (with the exception of abusive behavior, then all bets are off)

717 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:40:09pm

Anything I get from the RNC goes into the circular file for the time being.

718 Altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:40:35pm

re: #707 Desert Dog

Well, I think someone posted a survey here about who people would not vote for and I believe women were high up on the list as well. I would say women have come very far as well. Is everything perfect? Not yet, but the society is heading that way.

It's the same survey/poll. 11% of people would not vote for a woman. 5% would not vote for a black. That's a far cry from 43%.

I do agree that society seems to be moving in the right direction, but its much further along for women et al than for homosexuals. To get the same numbers for women as we have for gays today, you have to go back to the mid-19th century.

719 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:40:35pm

re: #676 zombie

hmmm...that's odd. It should transfer over -- and just by plugging in your device...

720 JacksonTn  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:41:23pm

re: #711 albusteve

albusteve ... click on my avatar and email ... I wanted to send you something but no email ...

721 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:41:56pm

re: #697 Sharmuta

Marriage is a very important societal glue, IMHO. It's just that I don't see gays as any more of a threat (indeed, perhaps they are less of a threat) to marriage as the embrace of no-fault divorce, etc.

Of course if a spouse is abusive or destructive or otherwise dangerous, divorce is appropriate. But way, way too many people decide to walk away from marriages because they just aren't "fun" any more, and they damage their kids in their selfishness.

722 Altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:42:18pm

re: #714 Last Mohican

I think that was me. Here's the poll. 43% said they would refuse to vote for a homosexual for president. Only one category of those mentioned in the poll was more of a turn-off for the respondents: 53% said they would refuse to vote for an atheist.

Yup. That was it. I wound up checking it out and looking at the polling methods in the second page, which were even more interesting in their way.

723 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:42:55pm

history....ultimate Band


Youtube Video
724 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:43:54pm

If anyone is interested, Rush had a new target today. He is all over the social conservatives who want to offer a bigger social tent to people. Basically lumps the big tent social conservatives with Spector.

He's drinking the far right kool aid in my opinion

725 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:44:00pm

re: #718 Altermite

It's the same survey/poll. 11% of people would not vote for a woman. 5% would not vote for a black. That's a far cry from 43%.

I do agree that society seems to be moving in the right direction, but its much further along for women et al than for homosexuals. To get the same numbers for women as we have for gays today, you have to go back to the mid-19th century.

That's the survey. I thought women scored lower. I guess that was mormons! :-)

I think that if you go back only 30-40 years, women would poll the same as homosexuals do today. I am happy to see the trends going the way they are. One day this country will match it's rhetoric with it's reality

726 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #719 J.S.

My sons told me that they have tried repeatedly with the "Apps" and haven't figured it out yet (and they said they have given up). They were able to download to their computers (successfully) songs that they have purchased using there phones.

(Of course, this doesn't really mean much..... but.)

727 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:44:27pm

Phillips says,

...by not even requiring a gay relationship to be consummated in order to qualify, it opens the way for friends to declare themselves in civil partnerships in order to grab the benefits on offer.

Er....far as I know, nobody from the government checked to ensure that any of my (hetero) marriages were consummated. If they did, they were mighty sneaky about it.

Am I blind to why "consummation" is suddenly important in a civil-union context, in Phillips' world? Isn't consummation, for all practical purposes, on the honor system anyhow?

728 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #725 Desert Dog

That's the survey. I thought women scored lower. I guess that was mormons! :-)

I think that if you go back only 30-40 years, women would poll the same as homosexuals do today. I am happy to see the trends going the way they are. One day this country will match it's rhetoric with it's reality

Wanna bet?

729 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:44:39pm

re: #709 buzzsawmonkey

No. It is because male homosexual society tends towards the promiscuous. This was true prior to the advent of AIDS; it was true afterwards, as well. The campaigns by "gay rights advocates" against closing baths and backroom bars--both dens of promiscuity--during the height of the AIDS epidemic and before the appearance of drugs which made it possible to live with the disease, were basically assertions of the homosexual right to promiscuity by the vocal spokespeople for the homosexual community, just as the existence of such things as the Folsom Street Fair are assertions of the "right to promiscuity."

Were there not such visible, unrelenting advocacy for the "right to promiscuity," it is possible--possible--that the advocates for same-sex marriage might be accorded a respectful hearing. But the assertion of the right to promiscuity continually undercuts the arguments for same-sex marriage, by revealing that the advocates for the "gay community" very much want it both ways; they want social acceptance of unbridled public license and the ability to stripmine society for whatever benefits are going.

Promiscuity is pathological; I was speaking, in part, to the possible origins of attitudes concerning homosexuals. The bathhouse thing is dead-on, and is (or should be) in Epidemiology and Public Health 101 textbooks.

As for the whack-jobs on Folsom - well, they're clearly deranged, no denying it. I'd hate to think them representative of gays in general. As for the "advocates," well, you'll find that kinda claptrap and double-think in any identity politics movement.

This all fits in with the theory of growing mass insanity. Folsom was yet another triumph of madness over normalcy.

730 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:44:40pm

re: #676 zombie

I did "sync" already, but nothing transferred. That was the first thing I tried.

And yes, I've scanned the preferences for clues. Zilch.

Do what I do . . .
Take it in to the store.

731 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:45:10pm

re: #727 ShanghaiEd

Phillips says,

Er....far as I know, nobody from the government checked to ensure that any of my (hetero) marriages were consummated. If they did, they were mighty sneaky about it.

Am I blind to why "consummation" is suddenly important in a civil-union context, in Phillips' world? Isn't consummation, for all practical purposes, on the honor system anyhow?

I don't know, I have pictures :)
/

732 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:46:56pm

re: #721 funky chicken

Marriage is a very important societal glue, IMHO. It's just that I don't see gays as any more of a threat (indeed, perhaps they are less of a threat) to marriage as the embrace of no-fault divorce, etc.

Of course if a spouse is abusive or destructive or otherwise dangerous, divorce is appropriate. But way, way too many people decide to walk away from marriages because they just aren't "fun" any more, and they damage their kids in their selfishness.

There are other factors in play- that's for sure. Mainly that people don't appreciate the meaning and value of these contracts- including the governmental ones like the Constitution. Once their value and meaning has been degraded or undermined, you can see how other contracts lose their worth too. Marriage isn't viewed as the binding contract it once was, so people don't take the institution as seriously as it once was. If things don't work out, they can just void the contract. We're seeing increases in divorce because the initial decision to get married is taken more lightly in this day and age.

733 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:46:56pm

re: #728 Walter L. Newton

Wanna bet?

But Walter, I have some links!

734 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:47:09pm

re: #724 Walter L. Newton

Can we fight about this? Not a big tent fan. The Dems are big tent - a gloppy mess of differing agendas that result in...a globby mess.

We need cohesive and clear. Moderates are welcome, we have room, but our values are what they are. With that, our values are not defined by Pat Buchanan.

735 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #726 WindHorse

I downloaded a whole bunch of nifty apps (IPod touch) a couple of months back (even a GPS tracker, etc) -- and I vaguely recall a bit of a hitch... (do you right click the icon on your computer screen? and then transfer to your device? I don't recall...my memory's failing...)

736 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:47:26pm

re: #709 buzzsawmonkey

No. It is because male homosexual society tends towards the promiscuous. This was true prior to the advent of AIDS; it was true afterwards, as well.
. . .
But the assertion of the right to promiscuity continually undercuts the arguments for same-sex marriage, by revealing that the advocates for the "gay community" very much want it both ways; they want social approval acceptance of unbridled public license and the ability to stripmine society for whatever benefits are going.

737 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:47:43pm

re: #696 Dark_Falcon

You disagree, that's fair. Why do you disagree?

I respect the sincerity of your views.
However, merely refraining from criminalization (i.e. stoning the sinners) is not in my view sufficient. There should in my opinion be room in our society for full acceptance of alternate lifestyles without opposing them on moral (i.e. religious) grounds, and thereby rendering judgment against your fellow citizens.

738 calcajun  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:48:21pm

re: #724 Walter L. Newton

I kinda think the party is having an identity crisis at the moment. The pundits are all over the place in their attitudes--but the party will find its equilibrium or it will rip itself apart. Just my opinion based on what I see going on.

739 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:50:08pm

re: #685 Walter L. Newton

Links?

From "Gays/Justice," a book about gay rights:

"...citing the Kinsey Institute statistic on gay males to the effect that by the avergae age of 37, 43 percent of gay men had had over 500 sexual partners."

Also, the study "Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women," which is often cited approvingly by gay groups, says pretty much the same thing:

" During the year preceding the interview, the "majority" of the men had engaged in "cruising" several times a month, an activity that was markedly less among the women. Half the white men, and a third of the black men, had had at least 500 sexual partners. In contrast, most of the women had had less than ten partners."

All the straight men here who have had over 500 sexual partners, raise your hands.

Don't have time to go hunting, but I guarantee that are dozens of studies that say essentially the same thing.

740 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:50:15pm

re: #734 ArmyWife

Can we fight about this? Not a big tent fan. The Dems are big tent - a gloppy mess of differing agendas that result in...a globby mess.

We need cohesive and clear. Moderates are welcome, we have room, but our values are what they are. With that, our values are not defined by Pat Buchanan.

Let's put it this way. After listening to him today, any of the Lizards that tend to agree with Charles' themes and threads on this blog, would have no place in Rush's conservative party.

He is taking the hard right stance, and is sounding more like the people that have become the center of attention on this blog.

Er, such as Melanie Phillips.

741 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:50:45pm

re: #731 Walter L. Newton

I don't know, I have pictures :)
/

LOL...pictures of my honeymoons, or yours?

742 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:05pm

re: #730 reine.de.tout

Do what I do . . .
Take it in to the store.

I'd really appreciate it if you could interpret the last French lyrics to the Bands 'Acadian Driftwood'....for thirty years or more I've wondered what they are saying

743 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:13pm
744 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:25pm

re: #737 Spare O'Lake

I respect the sincerity of your views.
However, merely refraining from criminalization (i.e. stoning the sinners) is not in my view sufficient. There should in my opinion be room in our society for full acceptance of alternate lifestyles without opposing them on moral (i.e. religious) grounds, and thereby rendering judgment against your fellow citizens.

We used to call that "you'll eat shit and like it, too".

Not going to happen.

745 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:40pm

re: #719 J.S.

hmmm...that's odd. It should transfer over -- and just by plugging in your device...

sent my addy

746 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:50pm

re: #738 calcajun

I kinda think the party is having an identity crisis at the moment. The pundits are all over the place in their attitudes--but the party will find its equilibrium or it will rip itself apart. Just my opinion based on what I see going on.

The way I see it, rip away. We're fucked until 2016 at least. Some people only learn from doing, the GOP is going to have to be beat up again before they find another Reagan.

747 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #714 Last Mohican

That poll is not so encouraging for the 72 year old gay atheist politicians out there.

748 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:52:08pm

re: #741 ShanghaiEd

LOL...pictures of my honeymoons, or yours?

Mine, all four.

749 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:52:28pm

Speaking of Gallup Polls, here's one published just a few days ago. Some interesting notes:

78% of American Jews voted for Obama.

79% of American Jews approve of Obama's performance (they were asked in tracking polls conducted between January 21 and April 29).

Obama's approval rating is 96% among liberal Jews, 77% among moderate Jews, and 45% among conservative Jews.

And by the way, in case you were thinking that Gallup was an unbiased, nonpartisan organization, here are a few quotes from this article:

Democratic Jews supported Hillary Clinton by a slight margin over Obama in the battle for the Democratic nomination last year, but they gradually came around to supporting him in large numbers for the general election.

Obama signaled he will be aggressive in seeking an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by appointing a special envoy for Middle East peace, and by directing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to actively pursue a two-state solution to the conflict. [um, has any other recent president not done this?-LM] . It is not clear whether U.S. Jews endorse Obama's approach, but the fact that four in five approve of the job he is doing -- consistent with their vote for him in the election -- suggests they at least tolerate it. [Those damned Jews, they don't actually want peace or a two-state solution, but apparently they're willing to tolerate peace.-LM]

Bottom Line

Obama's first 100 days have been successful by just about every public-opinion gauge.

750 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:52:55pm

re: #739 zombie

And I will say, this is known through simple observation by many of us who have gay male relatives.

751 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:53:05pm

re: #745 albusteve

sent my addy

not you...JacksonTenn
bad fu

752 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:54:01pm

re: #744 OldLineTexan

We used to call that "you'll eat shit and like it, too".

Not going to happen.

Vast difference, imo, in asking for acceptance and demanding approval.

753 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:54:14pm

re: #736 reine.de.tout

And of course, we cannot forget about bug chasing ....

[Link: gaylife.about.com...]

754 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:54:22pm

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

Have you been reading this thread? My proof is right here. Get your ass out to fly over country and see what you run into.

True, I don't spend much time in flyover country. I'm not overly familiar with what it's like.

Though, when I went to cover the DNC convention last August for LGF, I stayed with a close friend who is gay and in a committed relationship, and while he lamented that they'll never get gay marriage in Colorado, he said overall he never faced prejudice and was quite happy living as a gay man in Denver.

755 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:54:30pm

re: #739 zombie

From your link:

Most of the interviewing was done by graduate students in the San Francisco Bay area, the study locus, but further testing showed high reliability.

756 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:54:35pm

re: #742 albusteve

I'd really appreciate it if you could interpret the last French lyrics to the Bands 'Acadian Driftwood'....for thirty years or more I've wondered what they are saying

Can you print them for me?
Or can I find them at google?

757 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #724 Walter L. Newton

If anyone is interested, Rush had a new target today. He is all over the social conservatives who want to offer a bigger social tent to people. Basically lumps the big tent social conservatives with Spector.

He's drinking the far right kool aid in my opinion

always has, always will

pretty cheeky for a guy who's been divorced 3 times, IMHO

758 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:55:47pm

re: #724 Walter L. Newton

If anyone is interested, Rush had a new target today. He is all over the social conservatives who want to offer a bigger social tent to people. Basically lumps the big tent social conservatives with Spector.

He's drinking the far right kool aid in my opinion

Isn't he already the main purveyor of far-right Kool-Aid?

759 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:56:27pm

re: #742 albusteve

I'd really appreciate it if you could interpret the last French lyrics to the Bands 'Acadian Driftwood'....for thirty years or more I've wondered what they are saying

heh.
Here they are:
Sais tu, a-ca-di-e jai le mal du pays
[you know, acadia, I long for the country (I am homesick)]

Ta neige, acadie, fait des larmes au soleil
[your snow, acadia, makes tears in the sun (or for the sun)]

Just call me da google queen.

Jarrive acadie, teedle um, teedle um, teedle ooh
[i am arriving acadia (or I am coming acadia)]

760 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:56:47pm

Here's a Yahoo Answers to the question: "How do you get the apps onto your IPod?" link here.

761 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:56:56pm

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

It is by no means clear that the current agitation for inclusion is not merely the continuation of that strategy by--pardon the expression--inverted means.
....

Do I have a problem with the legalization of their being able to do so being used as a legal lever against, say, hospitals funded by religious organizations, or against religions which do not accept their being able to do so under civil law? You betcha. And if you don't think that that is on the horizon after same-sex marriage is legalized, you have not been paying attention.

I think you're dead-on; the activists will be satisfied with nothing less than the complete make-over of church and state to accommodate their preferences. There may be a range of psychological factors at work to explain this desire to have affirmation from, or power over, an authority figure, but that's for minds sharper than my own.

I just think it's a damned shame people can't just leave well enough alone. This goes for both sides: the activists are pushing for a full-on flare-up in the culture wars, and are looking to use the legal system to short-circuit the culture. The reaction to this over-reach on theor part can only serve to radicalize and cement the very forces they claim to be fighting.

The excesses of these activists are awful, and the inevitable reaction they are likely to trigger could be a truly terrible thing for this country, assuming their revolution by lawsuit doesn't succeed in finally undoing whatever progress had been made toward their acceptance into broader society.

762 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:57:34pm

re: #730 reine.de.tout

Do what I do . . .
Take it in to the store.

I can't. The phone is "PWNED" and "jailbroken." The warranty is thereby voided. They wouldn't help me.

763 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:58:08pm

re: #753 pink freud

And of course, we cannot forget about bug chasing ....

[Link: gaylife.about.com...]

Good grief!
Sheer lunacy.

764 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:59:25pm

re: #762 zombie

I can't. The phone is "PWNED" and "jailbroken." The warranty is thereby voided. They wouldn't help me.

So, getting that jailbroken iPhone... It's kind of like promiscuous gay sex, isn't it?

(Er... somehow. I'll think of it in a minute.)

765 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 6:59:48pm

re: #762 zombie

connect your Ipod to computer -- get into the Itunes program on your computer -- look for the graphic of your IPod -- click on that graphic icon, then look for a tab which says "applications." go there, then install the apps....(?)

766 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:00:08pm

re: #763 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Sheer lunacy.

Parties are rampant in New Orleans and Houston. Part of the circuit. Here being the mid-point has created a small underground of that in this lil corner of the world. When I say rampant, I mean rampant ...nationwide.

767 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:01:21pm

re: #765 J.S.

connect your Ipod to computer -- get into the Itunes program on your computer -- look for the graphic of your IPod -- click on that graphic icon, then look for a tab which says "applications." go there, then install the apps....(?)

There is no tab for "applications". That's the problem.

768 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:02:15pm

re: #766 pink freud

Parties are rampant in New Orleans and Houston. Part of the circuit. Here being the mid-point has created a small underground of that in this lil corner of the world. When I say rampant, I mean rampant ...nationwide.

Pathology; no other name for it.

769 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:02:19pm

re: #767 zombie

uh-oh. do you have the 2.0 version of ITunes?

770 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:04:05pm

re: #752 reine.de.tout

Vast difference, imo, in asking for acceptance and demanding approval.

Yes, isn't there?

771 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:04:08pm

Hey, wait a second! I do remember how I got some "things" shall we say, onto my IPod -- I used a freebie software program...it was a really handy little app...wait, I check for the name...

772 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:04:14pm

re: #721 funky chicken

On a scale of 1 to 10, with "1" being no threat to marriage and "10" being the greatest possible threat to marriage, I wonder where gay marriage would fit. I wonder where no-fault divorce would fit.

773 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:05:10pm

re: #766 pink freud

Parties are rampant in New Orleans and Houston. Part of the circuit. Here being the mid-point has created a small underground of that in this lil corner of the world. When I say rampant, I mean rampant ...nationwide.

I know someone (a professor) who actually went to a "Giving the Gift" event, out of professional curiosity, as an observer. He said he witnessed several HIV-negative men, having 10 "passive" interactions with known-HIV-positive men within a 1-hour span -- as a way to intentionally contract HIV, "to get it over with." It said it was a real party atmosphere. Daisy chain, one after the other. (This was behind closed doors in a private club.)

This was about 4 years ago -- don't know how common it is any more.

774 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:05:39pm

re: #758 zombie

Isn't he already the main purveyor of far-right Kool-Aid?

Uh, not really, IMO, but I guess YMMV.

775 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:05:50pm

It's called SharePod....link here...

776 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:09pm

re: #769 J.S.

uh-oh. do you have the 2.0 version of ITunes?

8.1 I think.

777 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:48pm

re: #773 zombie

I know someone (a professor) who actually went to a "Giving the Gift" event, out of professional curiosity, as an observer. He said he witnessed several HIV-negative men, having 10 "passive" interactions with known-HIV-positive men within a 1-hour span -- as a way to intentionally contract HIV, "to get it over with." It said it was a real party atmosphere. Daisy chain, one after the other. (This was behind closed doors in a private club.)

This was about 4 years ago -- don't know how common it is any more.

I can't even fathom the depth of self-loathing that would be required to willingly seek out the virus.

778 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:55pm

re: #775 J.S.

It's called SharePod....link here...

Thanks.

779 slokat  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:10pm

Zombie: Apple tech support... this page seems to have the instructions

780 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #773 zombie

Yes. My information initially came from a professor. Described the same sort of first-hand experience. An observer, working on tdissertation. The resulting paper was the first published in peer-reviewed journals. Groundbreaking. Academic types go to great lengths to identify the underlying psychological mechanisms. And there I stop.

781 CapitalistTool  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:26pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

... and then, a larger-format laptop, that sits permamently on your desk!

We'll call it the... top o' desk? Something like that...

Yeah, Microsoft's been working on that. They call it "Surface."

/Yeah, I know what you meant, OR. ;)

782 avspatti  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:39pm

re: #270 albusteve

indeed...I'm not bound by debt or responsibility to anyone other than myself...I will not live in a veiled social society...I'm prepared to move on

But where?

783 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:16pm

re: #777 Guanxi88

I can't even fathom the depth of self-loathing that would be required to willingly seek out the virus.

It's not self-loathing. To them, it is liberating. They say there is a feeling of freedom accompanying knowing you've gotten it over with. You no longer have to worry about condoms, or diseases, etc. -- you've got it, it's done with, you can have as much fun as you want with other HIV+ guys, no worries. (The presumption is, drug therapies will keep viruses levels low, so you'll just live a normal life anyway.)

784 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #779 slokat

Zombie: Apple tech support... this page seems to have the instructions

Thanks.

785 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:18pm

re: #777 Guanxi88

I can't even fathom the depth of self-loathing that would be required to willingly seek out the virus.

Top two reasons:

Alleviates the guilt at seeing their friends die of the disease.

Post-paryt freedom at being able to once again "bare-back" without reservations.

786 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:28pm
787 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:07pm

re: #783 zombie

re: #785 pink freud

I still think there's a sort of subconscious death-wish at work here.

788 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:21pm

re: #779 slokat

Zombie: Apple tech support... this page seems to have the instructions

Hmmm...again, something's screwy. There is no option for syncing apps in my iTunes.

789 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:14:14pm

re: #785 pink freud

Top two reasons:

Alleviates the guilt at seeing their friends die of the disease.

Post-paryt freedom at being able to once again "bare-back" without reservations.

That second reason was the one I heard was the main reason.

790 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:14:56pm

re: #788 zombie

I think maybe it's because your version of ITunes is too old (?) -- need that upgrade (?)

791 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:23pm

re: #787 Guanxi88

re: #785 pink freud

I still think there's a sort of subconscious death-wish at work here.

Zombie is correct when he says that the new drug cocktails are part of the reason. There is no longer the fear of death from aids that there was ten years ago. They roll the dice, knowing that the disease can be successfully managed for many many years.

This behavior did not become commonplace until the advent of he new drug cocktails. It's a factor.

792 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:51pm

re: #789 zombie

That second reason was the one I heard was the main reason.

Correct.

793 CapitalistTool  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:53pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

I can see where this could be useful, especially to college students. Carrying around a bookbag with three or four 1000 page text books across campus all day just plain sucks. It's hard on the books, too. They really aren't designed to last. If they fall apart when you use them, they don't have to buy them back, and the next student through the class will have to buy new books.

This might cut into that racket. The question is, will textbook vendors adopt this format? I bet they hate it.

With Amazon's DRM, why? Everybody will pay full list every time. No used book market to take away sales.

794 pink freud  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:35pm

re: #787 Guanxi88

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I was looking for her dissertation for you. This is just as good, she probably wrote it herself.

795 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:19:15pm

re: #790 J.S.

I think maybe it's because your version of ITunes is too old (?) -- need that upgrade (?)

My version of iTunes is 8.1, which is the latest version.

796 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:14pm

re: #795 zombie

I checked my version number (yeah, it's 8.1.1.10)...so that's very odd...hmm...something wrong with the "preferences" is the only thing I can think of...(one of those check marks preventing a connection?)

797 reubenek  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:22pm

re: #51 LGoPs

I work with an advanced miltary command and control system that uses moving map displays ...

I used to fly in the Marine Corps. One of the older jets in the inventory. I was once briefing a mission with a Harrier pilot, and he was using a moving map display in the ready room, the same as in his cockpit. At one point he stopped suddenly and said, "Do you have one of these in your cockpit?" I replied,"I have something very similar, except it's made of paper and it's strapped to my leg."

798 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:40pm

Being in the trenches as a mother of two middle schoolers, I have to say I'm much more concerned by our culture's wholesale embrace of pornography than by homosexuals. My kids easily and readily say "YUCK" when they see stuff like far-out "gay rights" parades, etc. Heterosexual pornography has had a much worse effect on their age group, and I do worry about how it will put pressure especially on my daughter as she starts dating.

Go ahead, call me a prude, but I'm just reporting what I see pretty much every day in their peer groups--and my kids are "good kids" and pretty sheltered.

I put this in the other thread, but meant to put it here. Oh well....

799 slokat  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:40pm

Synching Apps

They mention a pane for the apps that you open in Itunes/

800 CapitalistTool  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:03pm

re: #85 acwgusa

Call me when its color.

I use the Kindle program for the iPod Touch. Did you know the Kindle eBooks are done in color? Color isn't visible on the black & white Kindle hardware, but it shows on my iPod Touch.

801 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:19pm

re: #799 slokat

Synching Apps

They mention a pane for the apps that you open in Itunes/

Oooooohhhhh, I think I'm getting a klew. My hacked iPhone necessarily has an older iPhone OS, which may pre-date the apps being addable. (When one updates an older hacked iPhone, it become un-hacked. I think.)

802 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:33:51pm

re: #801 zombie

yep -- like that Yahoo Answers -- gotta have your IPod device running version 2.0...

803 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:21pm

re: #802 J.S.

yep -- like that Yahoo Answers -- gotta have your IPod device running version 2.0...

I just discovered that there's an iTunes icon doo-hickey on the iPhone itself! I never noticed that before. Maybe it's possible to download things directly to the iPhone? I'll give it a try right now.

/Humph. They have iTunes on the iPhone. How did I miss that?

804 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:35pm

Nope. No way to find apps thru iTunes on the iPhone. Harrumph!

805 J.S.  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:40:39pm

re: #804 zombie

I've heard that if you have older IPod software (previous to version 2.0?) that -- if you have Windows software -- you can click on "My Computer" and (after plugging in your IPod) look for your device there -- it's like using a memory card -- then, you just transfer things...(as you'd do using a memory card...you can read and write to the device.)

806 Randall Gross  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:58:44pm

re: #804 zombie

Nope. No way to find apps thru iTunes on the iPhone. Harrumph!

Zombie -- don't know if you are still out there but try this

In Itunes on your computer go to Edit , Preferences, General tab...... make sure under the synch heading you have "Applications" checked to show apps. Then plug in your Iphone. When the "synch" window pops up, go to the tab labeled "games" or "applications" make sure it's checked to synch.

807 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:12:54pm

Ok Lizardim -

Just back from Monmouth Medical Center ICU. Was involved in making an end of life decision for a friend of mine/tenant in my building. He probably died on Thursday night - then was revived, after about 30-40 minutes after a massive heart attack. I wrote and witnessed his will three years ago. Went with his executor.
It was a hard thing to do, and had to be done. If Mark Levin thought it was hard putting his dog Sprite to "sleep" - try making the same decision, more or less about someone you ate, drank, smoked and argued with - about your age - actually 2 years younger.
As I sit here typing and lifting some brain bleach in his honor/memory - I say farewell good friend James and may you be with G-d half an hour before the devil knows you are dead. That is enough.

-S-

808 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:13:42pm
809 [deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:06pm
810 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:23:06pm

re: #808 Iron Fist

Iron Fist -

The Kindle II will probably be the Commodore 64 of Readers. Readers will move on. They will go to color, they will have Bluetooth and other features.
COBY might just make one for $99.95 in the next two years. The real question is - will they be subsumed by Netbooks with a "Vertical" Ap. Time will tell. My bet is on Netbooks.

-S-

811 meeshlr  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:37:45pm

re: #495 Charles

Interesting. 120 new lizards? Excellent.

According to the little that I've read from the anti-LGF crowd, no one likes you anymore and no one comes to LGF and there's just a dozen or so lizards sitting around chanting "you're so right , Charles."

Methinks that they are just a bit jealous. And bitter.

812 CapitalistTool  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:49:50pm

re: #804 zombie

Nope. No way to find apps thru iTunes on the iPhone. Harrumph!

You use a separate app called "App Store" on your iPhone. It has a white stylized "A" set in a white circle on a blue background. It might not be on the first page of apps. (To change pages swipe your finger from right to left on the screen.)

I have a Touch, not an iPhone. Maybe you need to be on WiFi for it to work on an iPhone instead of on AT&T?

813 CapitalistTool  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:53:03pm

re: #801 zombie

Oooooohhhhh, I think I'm getting a klew. My hacked iPhone necessarily has an older iPhone OS, which may pre-date the apps being addable. (When one updates an older hacked iPhone, it become un-hacked. I think.)

Oh, yours is jailbroken? Then "App Store" probably won't work. Maybe. I have no experience with jailbreaking an iPhone, so I don't really know.

814 jordash1212  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:31:15pm

Ah this is something I won't mind being the guinea pig for. Usually it's stuff like textbooks and weird food and sports drinks. I'd much rather read these new textbooks on a handheld device instead of lugging them around.

815 jordash1212  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:32:39pm

re: #813 CapitalistTool

Oh, yours is jailbroken? Then "App Store" probably won't work. Maybe. I have no experience with jailbreaking an iPhone, so I don't really know.

Yes it will. Jailbroken phones just also have access to the entire Apple API and the Cydia library of applications, not just Apple approved applications.

816 zombie  Mon, May 4, 2009 10:40:25pm

re: #812 CapitalistTool

You use a separate app called "App Store" on your iPhone. It has a white stylized "A" set in a white circle on a blue background. It might not be on the first page of apps. (To change pages swipe your finger from right to left on the screen.)

I have a Touch, not an iPhone. Maybe you need to be on WiFi for it to work on an iPhone instead of on AT&T?

re: #815 jordash1212

Yes it will. Jailbroken phones just also have access to the entire Apple API and the Cydia library of applications, not just Apple approved applications.

I think the problem is that my iPhone OS is simply too old -- there is no mention of apps anywhere, and no white stylized "A" on any of the home pages.

re: #805 J.S.

I've heard that if you have older IPod software (previous to version 2.0?) that -- if you have Windows software -- you can click on "My Computer" and (after plugging in your IPod) look for your device there -- it's like using a memory card -- then, you just transfer things...(as you'd do using a memory card...you can read and write to the device.)


I'll try that. Thanks!

817 meh130  Tue, May 5, 2009 8:07:00am

A couple of things.

First, most college students today are lugging laptops around. To lug a separate electronic device may be duplicative, but duplication is sometimes necessary for innovation.

Second, the real question is what does this mean for the textbook industry. For decades they have been ripping off students, with a practice which would make the mafia proud. They have an ongoing effort to make current textbook editions obsolete, by pumping professors and universities to require the next edition. This not only destroys the resale value of used textbooks, and raises the cost of textbook acquisition to students, it can force a student to have to upgrade a textbook which is used for sequential courses over multiple semesters.

The textbook vendors have been salivating on how to destroy the used textbook market. The question is, will a non-transferable electronic edition be sold a cost which reflects the elimination of the printed paper cost, and will the edition upgrade treadmill be eliminated?

818 rexmundi  Tue, May 5, 2009 3:39:28pm
Amazon to Launch Kindle for Textbooks.

I wonder if Texas' cdesign proponentsists will try to hack the wireless so they can edit Biology textbooks to fit their school board ideals?


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