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Joe the Plumber Speaks Out Against 'Queers'

Politics | Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:04:14 pm PDT

Joe the Plumber weighs in on the pressing issue of “queers:”

In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?

At a state level, it’s up to them. I don’t want it to be a federal thing. I personally still think it’s wrong. People don’t understand the dictionary—it’s called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It’s not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we’re supposed to do—what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we’re supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they’re people, and they’re going to do their thing.

I could stop with that one, but there’s more. On the issue of the Constitution’s First Amendment Establishment Clause:

Why does conservatism appeal to you as a Christian?

Conservatism is about the basic rights of individuals. God created us. As far as the government goes, the Founding Fathers based the Constitution off of Christian values. It goes hand-in-hand.

And on “America’s religion:”

Does the Republican Party reach out to evangelicals enough?

No. None of them stand up for anything. They use God as a punch line. They use God to invoke sympathy or invoke righteousness, but they don’t stay the course. That’s why I think that all needs to be taken out of the federal level and give it back to the states. We’ve lost our American history. Every state has “In God we trust” or “With God’s help” in their constitution. God is recognized as, if you will, America’s religion.

Good. Grief.

UPDATE at 5/4/09 8:02:03 pm:

Alan Colmes says:

Who on the right, in addition to Meghan McCain, will stand up and say this guy doesn’t speak for them?

Well, although I’m not really “on the right,” I will. He doesn’t speak for me.

But neither do you, Alan.

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1 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:05:31pm

he's dirt...pretty simple

2 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:26pm

The "big tent" is being taken down as we watch.

3 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:50pm

I wouldn't let that guy snake out my toilet.

4 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:06:58pm

wow... friends who are actually homosexual.... imagine.

5 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:09pm
Conservatism is about the basic rights of individuals. God created us. As far as the government goes, the Founding Fathers based the Constitution off of Christian values. It goes hand-in-hand.

The Constitution was based off Enlightenment principles, and Greco-Roman traditions. Democracies and Republics pre-date the Christian faith.

6 pingjockey  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:09pm

I am not impressed. Appalled would be better.

7 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:47pm

Charles, why do you hate plumbers?
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'Splodey interweb heads in 5...4...3...

8 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:50pm
God is recognized as, if you will, America’s religion.


Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

9 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:07:58pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

The Constitution was based off Enlightenment principles, and Greco-Roman traditions. Democracies and Republics pre-date the Christian faith.

On a roll, tonight, Sharm. Bartender, pour me a double of what the blue lady there's having.

10 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:08:10pm

"none of then stand up for anything"
seclusion then stardom...Joes's goin down...he had his 15m

11 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:08:27pm

re: #2 Walter L. Newton

The "big tent" is being taken down as we watch.

Somewhere , a tent is missing it's clown

12 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:08:41pm

He sprung a leak!

13 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:08:52pm

The stalker blogs will now start shrieking that I'm "throwing Joe the Plumber under the bus."

When you live inside their heads as I do, you can't help overhearing what they're thinking.

14 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:08:58pm

And to think this brilliant guy stumped Barack Obama.

15 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:13pm

Joe-joe goin' down....

16 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:14pm

I am NOT Joe the Plumber.

17 bushleague  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:20pm

Is he still on PJTV? or had they figured out he was drifting into water over his head a while ago. He seemed pretty reasonable during the election but this stuff will be front page on HuffPo and the other sink holes of moonbattery. Nice knowing you Joe.

18 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:33pm

The GOP just keeps on digging.

Democrats will be in power for another 16 years at this rate.

19 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:35pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

The Constitution was based off Enlightenment principles, and Greco-Roman traditions. Democracies and Republics pre-date the Christian faith.

John Adams was a big fan of Cicero and other old, dead, white guys, from what I recall. I learned that when I read John Adams a few years back. Our founders were amazingly educated men...as was Theodore Roosevelt.

It's quite humbling, actually.

20 SlartyBartfast  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:39pm

Bless his non-PC heart, Joe ain't got much future as a speechwriter, does he...

"God doesn't call the qualified...he qualifies the called."

21 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:09:50pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Shhhh.... we're not supposed to remind people of that, makes 'em cranky.
/

22 wiffersnapper  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:08pm

Honestly I thought Joe was a respectable guy. Not so much anymore...

23 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:34pm

Joe is a dope, no doubt. Question is, why is anything he says news?

24 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:41pm

re: #17 bushleague

Is he still on PJTV?

I don't know. I have no connection to PJ at this point.

25 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:46pm

Joe the plumber is one of the best things to happen to Democrats in years.

26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:10:59pm

I was somewhat approving, until that last line. God is not recognized as America's religion and anyone who says that either does not understand the First Amendment or wants to destroy it.

27 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:12pm

re: #13 Charles

The stalker blogs will now start shrieking that I'm "throwing Joe the Plumber under the bus."

When you live inside their heads as I do, you can't help overhearing what they're thinking.

dribble bread crumbs, so you can find your way out

28 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:30pm

Joe's ability to speak has exceeded his ability to think.

29 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:34pm

He's an honest to goodness neanderthal. Sounds like he just learned to walk upright a few days ago, still fascinated by shiny objects. Yep, Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin. I've heard that as a ticket. Can't wait to see that.

The GOP is running to the far right. They are jumping back on the bandwagon of social issues that they can't win with. Hell, they have no other positions to talk about. Do you hear anything coming out of the Republicans in DC about this Obama policy or that Obama policy?

Nope.

All's silent on the Eastern front. Are there any Republicans in Washington this year? I hear more policy from talk show hosts than I do conservative politicians.

If they are working on regrouping, they better hurry up.

30 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:43pm

I have to say, that guy never really cut it for me as a populist hero.

31 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:11:50pm
and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children.

How ignorant can you get?

32 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:12:42pm

re: #17 bushleague

His last entry is Mar 9.

33 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:04pm

I think Joe may have stood up and hit his head on the sink one time too many.

34 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:04pm

Joe has just reached what is called "minute sixteen".

35 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:13pm

Since it seems to need repeating- many of the Founders were Deists.

36 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:14pm

re: #30 Last Mohican

I have to say, that guy never really cut it for me as a populist hero.

I'm takin down my Joe posters....snif

37 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:16pm

re: #31 Racer X

How ignorant can you get?

Didn't you know, it's contagious. He doesn't want his kids catching teh ghey.
///////////////

38 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:18pm

Being in the trenches as a mother of two middle schoolers, I have to say I'm much more concerned by our culture's wholesale embrace of pornography than by homosexuals. My kids easily and readily say "YUCK" when they see stuff like far-out "gay rights" parades, etc. Heterosexual pornography has had a much worse effect on their age group, and I do worry about how it will put pressure especially on my daughter as she starts dating.

Go ahead, call me a prude, but I'm just reporting what I see pretty much every day in their peer groups--and my kids are "good kids" and pretty sheltered.

39 spacejesus  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:46pm

just like I said when this guy went to Israel to report on a conflict he will never understand: this guy's 15 minutes were up a long time ago. what a joke.

40 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:53pm

re: #34 Bloodnok

Joe has just reached what is called "minute sixteen".

critical mass....meltdown

41 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:13:57pm

re: #31 Racer X

How ignorant can you get?

That's what really got to me too.

42 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:14:03pm

Aren't his 15 minutes up yet?

43 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:14:08pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

Since it seems to need repeating- many of the Founders were Deists.

Heh. That should flush out some of the new sockpuppets! :)

44 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:14:12pm

I question the timing!

Seroiously- God is America's religion?
Which one: Shiva, Vishnu, Allah, the Great Spirit, Jehovah, I Am Who I Will Be?

45 nyc redneck  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:14:34pm

i hope he didn't quit his day job.

46 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:01pm

Watch MSNBC hire him as a stooge conservative on some show.

47 ryannon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:26pm

There goes the neighborhood...

48 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:31pm

re: #13 Charles

When you live inside their heads as I do, you can't help overhearing what they're thinking.

Charles, like we said yesterday, you have to find a bigger apartment.

49 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:37pm

re: #38 funky chicken

As a lover of Revolutionary Era history- I'm disturbed by this revisionism concerning our Founders and their intent. They most certainly intended for the American people to continue being people of faith- but freedom of conscience was of the highest importance to them- that the people would worship in the manner they felt was best for them- not dictating to the people what faith they ought to be. This revisionism makes me ill.

50 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:40pm
51 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:42pm

re: #42 The Sanity Inspector

Aren't his 15 minutes up yet?

Joe the Plumber just became Joe the Bummer....he couldn't hit a curveball anyway

52 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:15:52pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

Since it seems to need repeating- many of the Founders were Deists.

John Adams was not, he was a devout Christian. But you can't read his letters and his voluminous writings on the founding of our nation and believe that he saw the Bible as the primary source for our philosophy of government.

John Adams is an excellent book.

53 KingKenrod  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:13pm

Lots of disgust on this blog for a guy who just asked Obama a simple question then got used as a prop for a couple of months. He's obviously not the sharpest guy out there. He doesn't deserves a collective groin kick like this no matter what he thinks.

54 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:14pm

re: #46 HelloDare

Watch MSNBC hire him as a stooge conservative on some show.

MSNBC? Judge Napolitano is lining him up as a guest as we speak (The "great" Joe the Plumber). /

55 PaxAmericana  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:22pm

Another false idol. Republicans need a hero, or a star, or straight man, anything for Christ's sake!

56 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:31pm

re: #39 spacejesus

just like I said when this guy went to Israel to report on a conflict he will never understand: this guy's 15 minutes were up a long time ago. what a joke.

Can't resist a dig at Israel, can you? Thanks, though, for recognizing a grade-A, steam-distilled moron.
And, as another poster pointed out, this dufus stumped Obama.

57 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:42pm

AAAIIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

58 YankeeBaseball  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:16:42pm

Cant wait for Joe's refreshing opinions to be splattered all over libnut world.

59 VioletTiger  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:17:17pm

re: #34 Bloodnok

Joe has just reached what is called "minute sixteen".

You're right about that. He won't let his homosexual friends near his kids?....that was harsh. Disappointed in Joe.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:17:22pm

re: #55 PaxAmericana

Another false idol. Republicans need a hero, or a star, or straight man, anything for Christ's sake!

We had Rudy Giuliani and the socons beat him to death with their Bibles.

61 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:17:31pm

re: #38 funky chicken

Study: Children Exposed To Pornography May Expect Sex To Be Enjoyable

[NSFW link to The Onion]

62 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:17:32pm

re: #52 funky chicken

Both the Adams- John and Samuel were more traditional than many of the others. I've read a lot on John and Abigail, what an amazing couple. But I've not read anything that supports the notion that John didn't support freedom of conscience.

63 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:17:57pm

re: #39 spacejesus

I thought your 15 minutes were up a long time ago. Another crappy-assed remark about Israel from you, huh, Jerk.

64 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:09pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

I honestly don't think Sarah Palin deserved that slam.

65 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:10pm

re: #55 PaxAmericana

Another false idol. Republicans need a hero, or a star, or straight man, anything for Christ's sake!

No- I think we need to get back to our ideological origins, but that's just me.

66 kansas  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:12pm

The lesson to be learned here is that plumbers should stick to plumbing. Much as actors and comedians should stick with that. Well, comedians who are funny that is.

67 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:25pm

Joe has a buss waiting for him

68 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:31pm

Joe the Plumber doesn't officially speak for the Republican party or the far-right, whatever that is these days.

Unfortunately the MSM will use comments like this to convince people that his views are the consensus of the far-right and/or Republicans.

Joe needs to learn to keep his trap shut when asked questions that are above his pay grade.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:55pm

re: #58 YankeeBaseball

Cant wait for Joe's refreshing opinions to be splattered all over libnut world.

They're lining up at his door as we speak, but only out of a sense of fairness and balance obviously.

70 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:18:55pm

re: #58 YankeeBaseball

Cant wait for Joe's refreshing opinions to be splattered all over libnut world.

Yep, they'll make hay with this one.

71 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:19:22pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Study: Children Exposed To Pornography May Expect Sex To Be Enjoyable

[NSFW link to The Onion]

Sorry, but not funny.

72 captain joe  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:19:46pm

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

73 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #56 Guanxi88

Can't resist a dig at Israel, can you? Thanks, though, for recognizing a grade-A, steam-distilled moron.
And, as another poster pointed out, this dufus stumped Obama.

I support Israel, I don't support Joe the Plumber as I think he's a simpleton and a tool.

He didn't "stump" Obama, the cameras were rolling and Obama had to act the politician. Pretty sure any liberal with a half a brain would eat Joe for breakfast on political science topics.

74 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:19:55pm

re: #68 sleepyone

Joe the Plumber doesn't officially speak for the Republican party or the far-right, whatever that is these days.

Unfortunately the MSM will use comments like this to convince people that his views are the consensus of the far-right and/or Republicans.

Joe needs to learn to keep his trap shut when asked questions that are above his pay grade.

bullshit...he's an American and can say whatever the hell he wants

75 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:19:55pm

re: #54 Bloodnok

MSNBC? Judge Napolitano is lining him up as a guest as we speak (The "great" Joe the Plumber). /

A Cage Match between Joe the Plumber and Joy Behar might be interesting.

76 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:01pm

re: #67 albusteve

Joe has a buss waiting for him

Hey, I had an answer for you:

77 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:07pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

We had Rudy Giuliani and the socons beat him to death with their Bibles.

Rudy sat and waited until Florida and basically screwed himself.

Good grief.

78 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:14pm

That's it. I'm seriously considering going back to the cave.

79 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:22pm

re: #64 funky chicken

I honestly don't think Sarah Palin deserved that slam.

They were linked together as possible running mates a number of times, which of course, is not very possible, but it show you how a lot of the people in the GOP think.

Many conservatives see these people (like Joe and Palin) as if they are the backbone of down home thought. True or not, that's how they are being portrayed, and that's why the MSM picked=up on that and ran with it.

Think about it.

80 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:22pm

re: #64 funky chicken

I honestly don't think Sarah Palin deserved that slam.

Agreed. She has behaved honorably and does not deserve abuse. She may even make a good president with some more seasoning.

81 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:46pm

re: #72 captain joe

Buh-bye

82 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:47pm

As my dad would say... "he should have quit when he was ahead."

/joe that is

83 kansas  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:51pm

re: #53 KingKenrod

Lots of disgust on this blog for a guy who just asked Obama a simple question then got used as a prop for a couple of months. He's obviously not the sharpest guy out there. He doesn't deserves a collective groin kick like this no matter what he thinks.

That's true. What he says, however, is another matter.

84 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:20:57pm

re: #72 captain joe

How'd you learn to use a computer?

85 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:03pm

re: #3 HelloDare

He IS the snake in the toilet!

86 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:20pm

re: #72 captain joe

You're a bigot.

87 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:22pm

re: #68 sleepyone

Unfortunately the MSM will use comments like this to convince people that his views are the consensus of the far-right and/or Republicans.

It might come as a surprise to you, but the OK Republican platform says essentially the same thing as Joe (maybe even a little bit stronger), except they use the more technical term "homosexual" rather than "queer."

88 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:28pm

re: #72 captain joe

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

Get the fuck out of here.

89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:39pm

re: #72 captain joe

Captain Joe = Moby Dick [grabs harpoon]

90 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:45pm

re: #72 captain joe

Are you for real?

91 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:56pm

re: #71 funky chicken

Sorry, but not funny.

I thought it was. To each their own.

92 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:21:59pm

re: #76 reine.de.tout

Hey, I had an answer for you:

nemaste...I am grateful....so hard yet so easy...thank you very much

93 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:14pm

re: #53 KingKenrod

Lots of disgust on this blog for a guy who just asked Obama a simple question then got used as a prop for a couple of months. He's obviously not the sharpest guy out there. He doesn't deserves a collective groin kick like this no matter what he thinks.

If he's going to be giving interviews to national magazines and saying stuff like this, he'd better get used to the heat -- or get out of the kitchen.

94 VioletTiger  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #90 reine.de.tout

Are you for real?

He fits the sleeper troll profile.

95 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:19pm

re: #72 captain joe

I never know whether to take posters like you seriously.

96 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:28pm

re: #74 albusteve

bullshit...he's an American and can say whatever the hell he wants

Well, he does have the right to say whatever he wants. But he should understand that with this hostile media they will take his words and use them to paint conservatives as bigoted. He is in the limelight for whatever reason and conservative points of view are targets of the MSM so my point was that one should watch what one says. Nuance.

97 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:31pm
98 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:51pm

re: #53 KingKenrod

Lots of disgust on this blog for a guy who just asked Obama a simple question then got used as a prop for a couple of months. He's obviously not the sharpest guy out there. He doesn't deserves a collective groin kick like this no matter what he thinks.

He took it beyond that. He got a book deal. He got a country music recording contract. He milked it for all it was worth. He didn't deserve a groin kick when he was still being used as a prop but the election is over and he's still out there on the public stage trying to rake in the fame and glory. Any fuckups before would have been on the part of his handlers. Now it's all on him.

99 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:56pm

This guy should have had the sense to end it when he questioned Obama. He could have been forever remembered as a hero. Now? We are forced to admit the *shudder* truth - he's a misinformed plumber.

100 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:22:58pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Get the fuck out of here.

Quoted to preserve your comment. The original will probably be deleted for quoting that moby asshole.

101 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #72 captain joe

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

hahahaha, it's people like you that make me want to vote democrat next time

102 brandon13  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:21pm

re: #72 captain joe

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

Fuck you. People like you are part of the reason the Republican party is in shambles.

103 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:21pm

re: #72 captain joe

GFY

104 Ojoe  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:22pm

re: #72 captain joe

God loves everyone

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:27pm

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the Plumber was always an idiot. I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

106 American Sabra  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:32pm

re: #72 captain joe

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

What's so scary? You think they're gonna barge in your house and redecorate your living room?

107 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:43pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

As a lover of Revolutionary Era history- I'm disturbed by this revisionism concerning our Founders and their intent. They most certainly intended for the American people to continue being people of faith- but freedom of conscience was of the highest importance to them- that the people would worship in the manner they felt was best for them- not dictating to the people what faith they ought to be. This revisionism makes me ill.


Sharmuta, I was hearing this "America is a Christian nation" stuff thirty years ago, and I'm sure it predates the 70s. I don't know if it is a Bircher thing or a product of the anti communist hysteria in the 50s. As I recall we added "In God we trust " to our coins in the 50s.

108 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:50pm

You know, it was a kind of a compelling story when this guy got ambushed by the Obama campaign while he was out in his own front yard, spoke his mind, and then had his life wrecked by leftist state officials and "journalists." Even his wikipedia entry is pretty much a smear. But how this made him an appropriate rallying point for the McCain campaign is beyond me. When McCain started dragging him around for campaign appearances, I thought that came off as a sign of desperation.

109 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:23:53pm

re: #99 ArmyWife

This guy should have had the sense to end it when he questioned Obama. He could have been forever remembered as a hero. Now? We are forced to admit the *shudder* truth - he's a misinformed plumber.

And the MSM will trudge this out when needed. The GOP is shooting itself in the foot, over and over.

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Quoted to preserve your comment. The original will probably be deleted for quoting that moby asshole.

Thank you.

111 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:21pm

His 15 minutes are over. Get into the dumpster with Cindy Sheehan you doofus.

112 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:29pm

re: #104 Ojoe

God loves everyone

You know, I'm an atheist, yet I dinged that up.

113 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:35pm

re: #72 captain joe

Bye now! Watch out for queers, they're gonna jump outta the bushes and grab ya.

114 nyc redneck  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:38pm

re: #72 captain joe

priests molesting little children have nothing in common w/ gay people, most of whom are interested in relationships w/ other adults.

115 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:49pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

Well, she is both prettier and sexier. I predict a fruitful future for MILFs in the GOP.

116 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:57pm

re: #92 albusteve

nemaste...I am grateful....so hard yet so easy...thank you very much

I found it like that, translation already done.
click the link in my post.

117 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:24:58pm

re: #87 freetoken

It might come as a surprise to you, but the OK Republican platform says essentially the same thing as Joe (maybe even a little bit stronger), except they use the more technical term "homosexual" rather than "queer."

Really? I knew Oklahoma was very religious (at least the few towns I've visited) but I didn't know thoughts like this were a part of an official platform.

118 cubbydave44  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:16pm

One word: embarrassing...

119 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:23pm

re: #104 Ojoe

God loves everyone

what if God was one of us...just a slob like one of us?

120 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:28pm

Wasn't he considering running for office? He can kiss that goodbye.

121 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:31pm

re: #33 HelloDare

Exactly!

122 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:36pm

re: #72 captain joe

I fear and hate homos because they are alien

You mean they are little green men?

123 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:50pm

Even more disturbing than Joe's bigotry is the editorial staff at "Christianity Today" thought defending the slur "queer" was fit to print.

124 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:56pm

re: #73 SpaceJesus

I support Israel, I don't support Joe the Plumber as I think he's a simpleton and a tool.

He didn't "stump" Obama, the cameras were rolling and Obama had to act the politician. Pretty sure any liberal with a half a brain would eat Joe for breakfast on political science topics.

Didn't realize you stood in support of Israel; somehow, I had the idea you didn't. Okay, that makes two points in your favor.

As for stumping Barry, I didn't say that Joe was bright - rather, Barry can't think on his feet. Put Joe up against anyone with a good brain, and you could expect he'd get the worst of it.

125 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:25:59pm
You are all a gaggle of pervs.


Well, that part is true.

Only we call ourselves preverts, thank you very much.

126 Ojoe  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:05pm
127 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:05pm

re: #107 Jim in Virginia

Sharmuta, I was hearing this "America is a Christian nation" stuff thirty years ago, and I'm sure it predates the 70s. I don't know if it is a Bircher thing or a product of the anti communist hysteria in the 50s. As I recall we added "In God we trust " to our coins in the 50s.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Birchers were behind it.

128 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:27pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the Plumber was always an idiot. I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

Oh, come on.

129 theuglydougling  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:27pm

/Facepalm

130 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:32pm

re: #96 sleepyone

Well, he does have the right to say whatever he wants. But he should understand that with this hostile media they will take his words and use them to paint conservatives as bigoted. He is in the limelight for whatever reason and conservative points of view are targets of the MSM so my point was that one should watch what one says. Nuance.

right...that's his problem, not ours

131 Ojoe  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:40pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

132 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:26:58pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Even more disturbing than Joe's bigotry is the editorial staff at "Christianity Today" thought defending the slur "queer" was fit to print.

I think it's a commonly used term in the gay community.
Queers for Palestine come to mind.

but in the context JTP used it , it was definately a slur.

133 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:07pm

re: #119 albusteve

He is, and the slob still owes me rent money!
/

134 HoosierHoops  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:20pm

re: #119 albusteve

what if God was one of us...just a slob like one of us?

Finally That song makes sense now

135 OldLineTexan  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:21pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Well, that part is true.

Only we call ourselves preverts, thank you very much.

/Archie, your dinner is ready!

136 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:27pm
137 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:29pm

About 4 months ago I saw this Joe the Plumber character as a liability. He's proving himself as such and why on Earth he's become a de facto spokesman for the GOP is beyond me. There's no rule that he has to accept homosexuals but there is a rule regarding public speaking that unless you are gay yourself using the word queer will raise some eyebrows. It will also have the effect of adding ammo to the opposition which is quick to characterize the GOP as being out of touch with the mainstream. To that end he has succeeded.

The novelty of Joe the Plumber wore out soon after he asked Barack Obama during the campaign. If they continue to trot out this man for an extended period he will only do more harm than good. Unfortunately, they won't listen and as Michael Steele points out and to the effect of "we are welcome into the house but we can't change anything." There must be some very smart people pulling the string so I guess we cannot effect any change in what is already a failing public relations attempt by the GOP. Adding to this is the archaically tinged platforms that have been trotted out for public view in recent weeks.

And this is just the warm up act.

138 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:47pm

re: #107 Jim in Virginia

Sharmuta, I was hearing this "America is a Christian nation" stuff thirty years ago, and I'm sure it predates the 70s. I don't know if it is a Bircher thing or a product of the anti communist hysteria in the 50s. As I recall we added "In God we trust " to our coins in the 50s.

Possibly we'd have to go back to the late 19th century, maybe the beginning of the 20th century, when "modernism" was being born. At that time too travel cross country was becoming more common (due to the installed RR base). It was a very dynamic time, and the rise of Progressivism probably brought about the backlash. I'm thinking the Scopes trial was the climax of the whole scene.

139 KingKenrod  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:51pm

re: #93 Charles

If he's going to be giving interviews to national magazines and saying stuff like this, he'd better get used to the heat -- or get out of the kitchen.

Actually, I take my comment back as I see he is out promoting his book. I didn't even know he had a book.

But I think it's more interesting that Christianity Today published his comments since they are advocacy, not news. His remarks were printed uncritically.

140 WindHorse  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:51pm

Captain Joe.... in name only..... probably an OS. (no offense to any OS out there...)

141 Ojoe  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:27:52pm

re: #119 albusteve

Well if you are a Christian, you believe that God was one of us, and that he understands us completely because of that.

142 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:28:17pm

re: #102 brandon13

Fuck you. People like you are part of the reason the Republican party is in shambles.

If anyone is taking bets, I'm betting that this captain joe moron was just a moby. And I'm willing to offer odds.

143 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:28:27pm

re: #72 captain joe

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

Satire, folks. Didn't the first line give it away?

144 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:28:33pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

I disagree. But that isn't a shock, is it? There are, in fact, conservatives who aren't bigots - who embrace religion and the religious, as well as respect those who aren't. It's possible to do both.

145 solomonpanting  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:28:52pm
Do you have plans to run for public office?

Not right now. God hasn't said, "Joe, I want you to run." I feel more important to just encourage people to get involved, one way or another. If I can inspire some leaders, that would be great. I don't know if I want to be a leader.

He shouldn't spend too much time pondering that idea.

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:28:55pm
147 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:29:10pm

re: #138 freetoken

Possibly we'd have to go back to the late 19th century, maybe the beginning of the 20th century, when "modernism" was being born. At that time too travel cross country was becoming more common (due to the installed RR base). It was a very dynamic time, and the rise of Progressivism probably brought about the backlash. I'm thinking the Scopes trial was the climax of the whole scene.

Also the Seventh Day Adventists and their formation of modern creationism.

148 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the Plumber was always an idiot. I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

that's it you nut....were gonna arm wrestle...loser weeds the garden

149 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:29:25pm

re: #140 WindHorse

Captain Joe.... in name only..... probably an OS. (no offense to any OS out there...)

He was just a moby, popping up to make us look bad.

150 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:29:45pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the Plumber was always an idiot. I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

What are you talking about? She is way hotter than he is!

151 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:30:18pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

I wouldn't be surprised if the Birchers were behind it.

Sharm, I've read original religious tracts and material from the 1880's that talked about America being a Christian nation. It's far from a new idea.

152 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:30:20pm

re: #143 Jim in Virginia

Satire, folks. Didn't the first line give it away?

That wasn't there at first. Charles must have inserted that line after he blocked the guy's account.

153 kansas  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:30:35pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

He was just a moby, popping up to make us look bad.

Maybe McGee and Abby could track him back to Kos or HuffPo.

154 wee fury  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:30:39pm

Say it ain't so, Joe.

155 Rishonah  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:30:47pm

I am not the only person here with gay family members whom I love and whose lives I cherish. I cannot accept this sort of blatant prejudice; not against Jews, not against gays, not against African-Americans.

The GOP is not doing themselves any favors by this sort of garbage. What happened to Reagan's "big tent?" Was that just another political ploy?

156 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:30:57pm

re: #72 captain joe

Ever heard of casting stones?

157 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:11pm

re: #143 Jim in Virginia
Well, OK, not satire. Geez.

158 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:17pm

re: #13 Charles

The stalker blogs will now start shrieking that I'm "throwing Joe the Plumber under the bus."

When you live inside their heads as I do, you can't help overhearing what they're thinking.

We all live inside their heads now!

//

159 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:20pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the .

Let's not forget the black community, the Asian community, the Hispanic community, the Jewish community, etc if you want to use a broad brush to paint an entire group as homophobic.

I believe none of those groups are huge supporters of the homosexual lifestyle, in fact, they are very anti homosexual lifestyle.

160 FrogMarch  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:20pm

oy.

161 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:24pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Well if you are a Christian, you believe that God was one of us, and that he understands us completely because of that.

I'm ambivalent....have not put my money down yet

162 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:25pm

re: #130 albusteve

He has the right to say this, of course, so long as he remembers free speech doesn't mean free from repercussions.

163 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:28pm

re: #130 albusteve

right...that's his problem, not ours

The bigger concern is that the MSM uses things like this to tar and feather what they consider to be conservatives or right-leaning folks in general.

164 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:33pm

re: #143 Jim in Virginia

Satire, folks. Didn't the first line give it away?

WTF?

165 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:45pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Sharm, I've read original religious tracts and material from the 1880's that talked about America being a Christian nation. It's far from a new idea.

That would again co-ordinate with the creationist movement.

166 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:31:48pm

re: #148 albusteve

that's it you nut....were gonna arm wrestle...loser weeds the garden

No, no... winner gardens the weed.

167 American Sabra  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:32:38pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

That's right. Cuz he is sooo unique LOL

Come on. Joe did a good thing by going to Israel... kinda sorta... in a way. I mean he had courage. He stood for Israel. Hell, most people won't go (and it's really very safe). So he gets kudos for that. But really COME ON. Is this a shocker?

168 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:32:53pm

re: #52 funky chicken

Actually, John Adams hated the doctrine of the Trinity, and saw it as savage. He may have been a moral man. But a devout Christian? Anything but.

169 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:32:59pm

re: #144 ArmyWife

I disagree. But that isn't a shock, is it? There are, in fact, conservatives who aren't bigots - who embrace religion and the religious, as well as respect those who aren't. It's possible to do both.

What you said.

170 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:33:29pm

re: #143 Jim in Virginia

Satire, folks. Didn't the first line give it away?

That's how I read it. He just didn't use a sarc tag.

Or are you being sarcastic?

Now I'm confused...

171 albusteve  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:33:30pm

re: #163 sleepyone

The bigger concern is that the MSM uses things like this to tar and feather what they consider to be conservatives or right-leaning folks in general.

well what do you expect?....the bigger concern is not the MSM...that's foolish

172 Ojoe  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:33:44pm

re: #161 albusteve

OK

173 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:33:45pm

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

No, no... winner gardens the weed.


Bad Walter!

174 medaura18586  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:33:57pm

I always thought "Joe the Plumber" was an asshat. I hope I've gone on record early enough at LGF. Never for a moment did I doubt this kind of trashy worldview lied underneath his "folksy" rhetoric. "Joe the Plumber." Pfff...

175 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:34:01pm

re: #143 Jim in Virginia

Satire, folks. Didn't the first line give it away?

Definitely not sarcasm. I reviewed its other comments.

176 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:34:48pm

re: #124 Guanxi88

Didn't realize you stood in support of Israel; somehow, I had the idea you didn't. Okay, that makes two points in your favor.

As for stumping Barry, I didn't say that Joe was bright - rather, Barry can't think on his feet. Put Joe up against anyone with a good brain, and you could expect he'd get the worst of it.

Israel is the reason I started coming here in the first place.

Say what you want about Obama, but he is a smart man. He could have torn into Joe and humiliated him, but since the cameras were rolling and he had just spent 9 months on the road campaigning he knew better, so he just stayed quiet. He made the smarter move.

177 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:35:08pm

Wait a minute.

Who set this man up as an arbiter of anything?

178 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:35:16pm
179 Dekar  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:35:20pm

Joe Dirt?

180 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:35:47pm

SpaceJesus is alright. Just a quirky way of making his point.

181 dwells38  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:35:50pm

Well this was rather stunning. I assumed the guy was normal and had a mature outlook on things. He expresses himself in writing about as well as my ten year old daughters although they have a better grasp of right and wrong.

Isn't it nice how he goes way out on a limb and acknowledges "queers" as people (albeit people he wouldn't let near his children). So open minded. I'm sure those homosexual friends of his are calling him up and thanking him for his bold defense of their right to walk and breath among we "normals".

What an idiot.

182 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:35:53pm

re: #178 Last Mohican

Sure enough... HuffPo: Joe The Plumber Slurs Gay People: I Would Never Let "Queers" Near My Children

There are 41 pages of comments.

There you go.

183 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:06pm

No doubt JTP will get another appearance on Huckabee and Beck.

184 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:06pm

re: #167 American Sabra

Nope, not shocking, just saddening.

185 Simply Me  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:09pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

Originally, the Us Constitution and the Bill of Rights was understood to apply to the federal government only. So the individual states were understood to have the right to impose a state religion at that level. That is why Thomas Jefferson was most proud of writing the Virginia Statue of Religious Freedom, ensuring that no state religion would be imposed in Virginia.

"From 1780 Massachusetts had a system which required every man to belong to a church, and permitted each church to tax its members, but forbade any law requiring that it be of any particular denomination. This was objected to, as in practice establishing the Congregational Church, the majority denomination, and was abolished in 1833."

See Wikipedia here, section 8.

186 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:10pm
187 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:25pm

re: #53 KingKenrod

Lots of disgust on this blog for a guy who just asked Obama a simple question then got used as a prop for a couple of months. He's obviously not the sharpest guy out there. He doesn't deserves a collective groin kick like this no matter what he thinks.

As someone else replied and alluded to, what JTP thinks becomes an BIG issue for those of us trying to keep the conservative faith (as it were) when it came flying out of his big yap. He should have quit while he was ahead, but because he (and) others) got greedy, all conservatives will be tarred with his paleo-opinions (even more than they usually are).

188 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:36pm

re: #130 albusteve

right...that's his problem, not ours

As long as he's trying to pass himself off as a spokesman for the conservative movement, what he says is a problem for the conservative movement.

Like I said earlier, Democrats love it every time he opens his mouth.

189 HelloDare  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:37pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

The Constitution was based off Enlightenment principles, and Greco-Roman traditions. Democracies and Republics pre-date the Christian faith.

I did a search of the Federalist Papers. God wasn't mentioned once. Even searched for a couple of euphemisms for God. Nothing.

190 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:36:54pm

re: #170 sleepyone No, I was confused. I figured he meant it as a joke. Maybe he did but it is a perfect quote mine for someone to discredit LGF. .

191 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #179 Dekar

Joe Dirt?

He's not as funny as David Spade.

192 solomonpanting  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:07pm

Joe the Plumber

"Payday is Friday"

193 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:15pm

re: #176 SpaceJesus

Israel is the reason I started coming here in the first place.

Say what you want about Obama, but he is a smart man. He could have torn into Joe and humiliated him, but since the cameras were rolling and he had just spent 9 months on the road campaigning he knew better, so he just stayed quiet. He made the smarter move.

Shrewd might be the better word for Barry, but you're right. Cripes!

194 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:19pm
And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children.

That is a toxic mix of hate and ignorance right there. Yow.

195 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:22pm

re: #72 captain joe

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

196 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:37:28pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was "passel of perverts," like "pride of lions," "pod of whales," "gibber of moonbats," etc.

Technically, we're a mutiny of preverts.

197 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:38:17pm

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

198 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:38:26pm

re: #196 Occasional Reader

Technically, we're a mutiny of preverts.

Deviated preverts, to be exact

199 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:38:33pm

re: #193 Guanxi88

Shrewd might be the better word for Barry, but you're right. Cripes!

yeah shrewd probably is the better word.

200 brandon13  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:38:34pm

Joe the Homophobe

Has that been used yet?

201 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:38:57pm

re: #197 Charles

Let's make it $50 million. I'm sure they're good for it

202 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:04pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!


the true reward will be watching them all finally shut up.

203 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:04pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

25,000,000? Wow, they're going to have to sell a lot of books over at World Nut Daily. /

204 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:09pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

I never claimed bigotry doesn't exist on the left. How soon you guys forget that I spent years digging up antisemitism on dkos.

205 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:09pm

re: #117 sleepyone

Really? I knew Oklahoma was very religious (at least the few towns I've visited) but I didn't know thoughts like this were a part of an official platform.

See here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

From the OK state GOP platform draft (which I presume was what was accepted, with possible additions):

5. We oppose the efforts to re-define marriage. Employers and taxpayers should not be forced to violate their convictions or to bear the cost of granting “same-sex marriages” the respect and benefits that are due traditional marriages.

-


1. We oppose the promotion of homosexuality, the elimination of laws against sodomy, and the granting of minority protection or special status to any person based upon sexual preference or lifestyle choices.

2. We believe that homosexuality is not a genetic trait, but a chosen lifestyle.

-

6. We believe that in order to encourage and protect family values, those promoting homosexuality or other aberrant lifestyles should not be allowed to hold responsible positions over children, which are not their own, or other vulnerable persons.

This goes beyond being generically pro-marriage and is truly homophobic. Read #6 above again. What is "promoting"? What if a gay man just comes out of the closet and is seen publicly with his lover?

If you think that is bad, you should see what the Tulsa county platform says...

206 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:09pm

re: #181 dwells38

Well this was rather stunning. I assumed the guy was normal and had a mature outlook on things. He expresses himself in writing about as well as my ten year old daughters although they have a better grasp of right and wrong.

Isn't it nice how he goes way out on a limb and acknowledges "queers" as people (albeit people he wouldn't let near his children). So open minded. I'm sure those homosexual friends of his are calling him up and thanking him for his bold defense of their right to walk and breath among we "normals".

What an idiot.

Small correction: this is an interview with him, not an essay from him.

207 GeicoGecko[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:13pm
208 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:18pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

Thanks Mandy, now I just had some sort of fit induced from that flashing shit. Please put a warning on those links before you do that again.

But Maisey the Parrot really like it.

:)

209 American Sabra  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:25pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Nope, not shocking, just saddening.

Well I guess mom was right. You really shouldn't talk religion and politics in mixed company.

210 medaura18586  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:33pm

I'm laughing pretty hard here... that captain joe's comment was just priceless.

211 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:45pm

re: #185 Simply Me

And Maryland was a Catholic state- the Founders were truly revolutionaries in that what was intended for the Federal government trickled down to the states.

212 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:46pm

re: #197 Charles

Where's my money?

I eated it

213 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:39:54pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I never claimed bigotry doesn't exist on the left. How soon you guys forget that I spent years digging up antisemitism on dkos.

Years? It usually takes minutes.

214 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:40:15pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

You're right. It's being sold to the public this way. And it's being done by the right, not the left! What does conservatism even mean anymore?

215 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

This is better than the Willie Wonka movie!

216 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:40:36pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

SpaceJesus is alright. Just a quirky way of making his point.

Yeah, he's growing on me.

217 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:40:57pm

re: #205 freetoken
What does the Tulsa County platform say?
I assume it is not a big tent?

218 madistan[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:05pm
219 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:16pm

re: #197 Charles

LGF is on the blogroll. Maybe he's expecting all y'all to pitch in.

220 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:19pm

For re: #105 Killgore Trout

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the Plumber was always an idiot. I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

Hey, it's both sides. Funny (not) how a guy like Larry Craig (disgusting) is called every name in the book and made fun of when its' convenient to them, Michael Steele has Oreo cookies rolled up on a stage during a debate and noone on the left comes to his defense, and Miss California is now "fair game" to feminist groups. The far right and the far left have a lot in common with their hatreds and biases, and I'm sick of them both.

221 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:25pm

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Thanks Mandy, now I just had some sort of fit induced from that flashing shit. Please put a warning on those links before you do that again.

But Maisey the Parrot really like it.

:)

WHAT?

222 rain of lead  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

OMG! that caused me to have a seizure

223 Simply Me  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:41pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Sharm, I've read original religious tracts and material from the 1880's that talked about America being a Christian nation. It's far from a new idea.

The Wikipedia article I cited above says that some of the states originally required that state legislators be Christians.

224 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:43pm

re: #171 albusteve

well what do you expect?....the bigger concern is not the MSM...that's foolish

I guess what I mean by my concern over the MSM with this issue is that they control the message. They spin and lie and twist unfortunately some viewers are too dim to see through their deceit.

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:45pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

I still like this post as an answer to that sort of lunacy.

226 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:49pm

re: #197 Charles

Oh we need to submit SOMETHING. We've got talent on this blog, from El Capitan Lizard to wee leetle nobody lizards. With that...

FIRE UP THE PHOTOSHOP MACHINE!

227 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:51pm

re: #216 reine.de.tout

Yeah, he's growing on me.

I don't care if it rains or freezes.
Long as I got my plastic Spacejesus.
Riding on the dashboard of my car...

//

228 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:41:56pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

You know, I heard Corsi on some show yesterday, and I was thinking, why the hell is anyone listening to him? Unless I'm missing something, the 4 or 5 issues he had with Obama, and all the proof he was going to present about this or that, never came to be. Nada, nothing, zilch, zippo.

Gee, I wish I could promise the world to the world and not deliver and still keep my job.

229 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:04pm

re: #216 reine.de.tout

Yeah, he's growing on me.

Kinda like an odd smell that you get used too after a while? Or, perhaps a tart flavor that at first seems horrible, but in time, your pallet adjusts?

230 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:08pm

re: #216 reine.de.tout

Yeah, he's growing on me.

Well, so does athlete's foot.

231 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:14pm

re: #216 reine.de.tout

Yeah, he's growing on me.

I think we've gotten to him. Less of the schtick and some pretty good posts lately.

232 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:24pm
233 pittrader1988  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:27pm

re: #93 Charles

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

If you are a devout Christian, I can see you having trouble with gays and gay marriage. I can see you having trouble with abortion.

Reasonable people can disagree on these points, and as long as one is not hysterical, I think it's pretty tough to find accommodation on them.

If you are pro choice, and I am pro life-there are not too many gray areas in between. Pro-gay marriage, anti-gay marriage, where is the compromise?

234 GeicoGecko  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:46pm

Some slug named Shug has no sense of humor.

235 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:42:58pm

re: #222 rain of lead

OMG! that caused me to have a seizure

Why aren't you calling 911?

Seriously, I'll remember to post a NSFE from now on.

236 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:43:10pm

re: #219 Mich-again

check's in the mail

237 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:43:28pm

re: #197 Charles

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet.

Where did you see that part? It looks to me like they're actually promising to pay the $25M, as soon as their "document experts" verify the document.

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:43:30pm
239 formercorpsman  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #197 Charles

[Link: www.cheapequipmentparts.com...]

240 idioma  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:43:47pm

"People don’t understand the dictionary—it’s called queer."
"I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual."

Yeah, and some of my best friends are black too, Joe.

The imaginary gay/black friend argument, whatever.

Riddle me this batman: If sexual "preference" is a person choosing the gender they are attracted to, I want Joe to tell me when he made the choice to be straight.

The GOP has drawn a disastrous line in the sand with this one, choosing an open statement of bigotry. It's not just the "gay vote" the GOP lose, it's the "my brother/sister/daughter/best friend/cousin/coworker/boss/etc. is gay, and I hate the way our culture treats them." vote. The democrats have no trouble raking in those votes, not because they are the "Gay Party", but because they don't openly attack gays every chance they get.

And yeah, having a black president after the 1960's does make anti-gay sentiment seem just as antiquated as Jim Crow Laws.

Gays: Separate But Equal
This Message Paid For By The RNC

241 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:43:51pm

Meanwhile, a truly monumental kook has shown up in the Melanie Phillips thread.

242 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:44:03pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

Wow. I'm going to fire up the scanner and launch Photoshop for a payday!

243 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:44:10pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know why anyone is surprised that a plumber should, in fact, be plumbing the depths.

Things will just go down the toilet. /

244 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:44:26pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

Tried to bookmark that for future use, and could hardly type.

245 NY Nana  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:44:31pm

re: #197 Charles

And LGF is on their blogroll! At least they can be right about something.

246 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:44:42pm

re: #207 GeicoGecko

Not funny, dude...

AT.ALL.

247 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:44:51pm

re: #217 Jim in Virginia

What does the Tulsa County platform say?
I assume it is not a big tent?

More like a pup tent.

248 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:00pm

re: #233 pittrader1988

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

If you are a devout Christian, I can see you having trouble with gays and gay marriage. I can see you having trouble with abortion.

Reasonable people can disagree on these points, and as long as one is not hysterical, I think it's pretty tough to find accommodation on them.

If you are pro choice, and I am pro life-there are not too many gray areas in between. Pro-gay marriage, anti-gay marriage, where is the compromise?

In your opinion, is Joe the plumber being reasonable in his remarks above?

249 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:01pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

Tried to bookmark that for future use, and could hardly type.

I did, but I will never be the same

250 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:08pm

re: #226 ArmyWife

Oh we need to submit SOMETHING. We've got talent on this blog, from El Capitan Lizard to wee leetle nobody lizards. With that...

FIRE UP THE PHOTOSHOP MACHINE!

Hell yeah. $25 million could buy a lot of hamster chow.

251 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:08pm

re: #233 pittrader1988

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

If you are a devout Christian, I can see you having trouble with gays and gay marriage. I can see you having trouble with abortion.

Reasonable people can disagree on these points, and as long as one is not hysterical, I think it's pretty tough to find accommodation on them.

If you are pro choice, and I am pro life-there are not too many gray areas in between. Pro-gay marriage, anti-gay marriage, where is the compromise?

The compromise lies in folks extending their beliefs no farther than the tips of their fingers.

252 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:22pm

Everyone in this world must find their way. The right way is to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and stay the hell out of his business. Joe the Plumber has lost his way.

253 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:33pm
254 karmasherabwangchuk  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:49pm

re: #53 KingKenrod

Lots of disgust on this blog for a guy who just asked Obama a simple question then got used as a prop for a couple of months. He's obviously not the sharpest guy out there. He doesn't deserves a collective groin kick like this no matter what he thinks.

due respect he is the one who decided to quit his job as a plumber and become a journalist/pundit/blue collar philosopher. and when he took that job he put himself up to have his ideas and opinions judged as to their merit and worth in the arena of public opinion. he could have let his 15 minutes expire and gone back to fixing broken pipes. instead he has chosen to take a job which he is clearly not qualified for.

255 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:51pm
256 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:56pm

re: #104 Ojoe

Thank you for being the most gracious post, even though I wanted to post like everyone else!

257 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:45:59pm

re: #234 GeicoGecko

Some slug named Shug has no sense of humor.

WAIT

Are you calling OUR Shug a slug?

258 dwells38  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:46:14pm

re: #38 funky chicken

Being in the trenches as a mother of two middle schoolers, I have to say I'm much more concerned by our culture's wholesale embrace of pornography than by homosexuals. My kids easily and readily say "YUCK" when they see stuff like far-out "gay rights" parades, etc. Heterosexual pornography has had a much worse effect on their age group, and I do worry about how it will put pressure especially on my daughter as she starts dating.

Go ahead, call me a prude, but I'm just reporting what I see pretty much every day in their peer groups--and my kids are "good kids" and pretty sheltered.

A reasonable concern funky chicken. But why would homosexuals worry you at all? Gay rights parades are for exhibitionist idiots who want to shock people. But think about the people you know who are gay possibly in the workplace or someone you knew in college. Did they all strike you as someone who would dress flamboyantly and french kiss their partner in front of families with small children? Not the ones I've known. Most are just regular people who try to fly under the radar and live their lives.

My wife and I became friends a few years ago with a Republican gay couple who were quite nice and normal and successful. They didn't appear to have any interest in anyone's children.

I have relatives who are hetero and dysfunctional I'd be less comfortable with watching my kids.

I'm not willing to throw all gay people under the bus just because of some idiots I saw in a gay pride parade. As I don't lump all my liberal acquaintances in with Code Pink or Cyndy Sheehan minions.

259 rain of lead  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #235 MandyManners

Why aren't you calling 911?

Seriously, I'll remember to post a NSFE from now on.

please do. the seizure thing was just a joke and the blood has almost stopped seeping from my eyeballs

260 Simply Me  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:46:27pm
Until 1877 the New Hampshire Constitution required members of the State legislature to be of the Protestant religion.

The North Carolina Constitution of 1776 disestablished the Anglican church, but until 1835 the NC Constitution allowed only Protestants to hold public office. From 1835-1876 it allowed only Christians (including Catholics) to hold public office. Article VI, Section 8 of the current NC Constitution forbids only atheists from holding public office.[33] Such clauses were held by the United States Supreme Court to be unenforceable in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, when the court ruled unanimously that such clauses constituted a religious test incompatible with First and Fourteenth Amendment protections.

From Wikipedia article on State religions here, see section 6.

261 American Sabra  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:46:39pm

re: #233 pittrader1988

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

If you are a devout Christian, I can see you having trouble with gays and gay marriage. I can see you having trouble with abortion.

Reasonable people can disagree on these points, and as long as one is not hysterical, I think it's pretty tough to find accommodation on them.

If you are pro choice, and I am pro life-there are not too many gray areas in between. Pro-gay marriage, anti-gay marriage, where is the compromise?

For starters, maybe he shouldn't have said "queers" in public and claim it isn't an insult. It's pretty much downhill from there.

262 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:46:41pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

BHO should take the 25 million and give it to Planned Parenthood as a object lesson.

263 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:46:55pm

re: #233 pittrader1988

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

If you are a devout Christian, I can see you having trouble with gays and gay marriage. I can see you having trouble with abortion.

Reasonable people can disagree on these points, and as long as one is not hysterical, I think it's pretty tough to find accommodation on them.

If you are pro choice, and I am pro life-there are not too many gray areas in between. Pro-gay marriage, anti-gay marriage, where is the compromise?

Twnety years ago the average age for marriage was 22 or 23. Now it is past thirty. There is no societal disapproval for shacking up or having kids out of wedlock. You can argue whether that is a net postive or negative, but the fight to save marriage was lost a long time ago.

264 zoidberg  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:47:15pm
I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children.

What a disgusting thing to say. Obviously these "friends" of his don't have much self respect to consider this wanker to be a "friend".

Pig.

265 solomonpanting  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:47:16pm

re: #233 pittrader1988

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

There's a monumental difference between accepting the "notion" or idea or, dare I say, the reality of the existence of of "queers" or homosexuals, and the acceptance of same-sex marriage.

266 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:47:21pm

re: #252 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Everyone in this world must find their way. The right way is to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and stay the hell out of his business. Joe the Plumber has lost his way.

I thought the golden rule was vanquish your enemy and hear the lamentations of their women? Oh wait, that was Conan the Barbarian....nevermind

267 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

*recovering from seizure*

*not really but - yikes!

268 looking closely  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:47:57pm

I'll get worked up over "Joe the Plumber" when he runs for political office.

269 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:48:04pm

re: #257 Walter L. Newton


WHAT? He called Shug a Slug? Damn interloper. Doesn't he know it's Shuuug as in sugar? Doesn't rhyme with slug at all.

(apologies to interlopers all around)

270 boofar  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:48:34pm

Charles, if you don't mind me asking, what are your opinions about gay marriage?

Personally I'm indifferent. I don't oppose it and don't support it. I've known gays who lived in my dorm and they come across as normal people. I'm from CT and that state made civil unions legit for gays. I remember reading the news and then wondering whether my latest manga/anime was released (I have a minor case of teh Otaku, sue me). To be honest, I was actually surprised when this one guy, overly metro-sexual, was living with another guy who was not flamboyant. The less flamboyant individual was actually annoyed with his roomie. He wasn't big on political correctness and just wanted to get along drinking beers with everyone else. That was a big culture shock. Now with things such as gaypatriot.net, I'm beginning to see a whole new side to gays (admittedly, due to the left's self-described monopoly, I have been of the opinion Gay = Leftist). I've also grown sympathetic to gays in light of Iran's execution of gays purely because of how they're born.

No, you simply don't decide one day that you like those of the same sex as you, anyone who disagrees, just try to think of members of the same sex in an intimate manner. Not working out too well? Thought so...

I do hope that the Republican party can get over itself and social issues. People don't care as much as they think they do. People wanted a pro-small government party, imo. Instead they got the Vista of politics (and with Obama we're seeing Vista + Java + little annoying gadgets bloatware... times 20). A better approach would have been: We don't like it, but it's a states' rights issue. That's what Lynn Cheney said! Why is it that the wives of the Republican men seemed infinitely more composed and coherent the entire time?!

BTW, with 6 gigs of ram, Vista runs not too shabby :) . C# is teh awesome...

Ok, a little off-topic :D .

271 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:48:35pm

re: #268 looking closely

I'll get worked up over "Joe the Plumber" when he runs for political office.

Well, he's lost the queer vote, that is for certain! (Mine too and I like women!)

272 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:48:44pm

re: #267 Racer X

*recovering from seizure*

*not really but - yikes!

Well, I am. And Maisey the Parrot is trying to clam me down by imitating the purring sound of a cat.

273 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:48:49pm

re: #262 avanti

BHO should take the 25 million and give it to Planned Parenthood as a object lesson.

You know. That would be pretty funny. Barack Obama finally show up and presents his birth certificate in public and then gets the reward money.

274 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

WAIT

Are you calling OUR Shug a slug?

Did you see GeicoGecko's "joke"?

Oh yeah, I downdinged him too...frakkin' moron.

275 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:49:08pm

re: #205 freetoken

This goes beyond being generically pro-marriage and is truly homophobic. Read #6 above again. What is "promoting"? What if a gay man just comes out of the closet and is seen publicly with his lover?

If you think that is bad, you should see what the Tulsa county platform says...

I had no idea and I grew up just south of Lawton, OK in north Texas. Haven't lived in Texas for years though.

My first thoughts were the same as yours: What exactly is "promoting".

However I do agree with them regarding not "granting of minority protection or special status" at least as it pertains to so-called hate crimes, if that's what they meant.

276 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:49:23pm

*headdesk*

277 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:49:25pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know why anyone is surprised that a plumber should, in fact, be plumbing the depths.

Don't ratchet up a pun thread.

278 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:49:31pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

That triggered a migraine.

279 madistan[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:49:41pm
280 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:50:15pm

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

I be gone.

You be having sweet dreams.

281 looking closely  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:50:22pm

re: #197 Charles

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for: Reward for Obama's Birth Certificate!

Yes! $25,000,000!

Well, they don't exactly have the $25,000,000 yet. But they will! Because their cause is just and their hearts are pure!

If I were Obama, I'd release the certificate, and bag the $25MM myself.

Even if all the whacko conspiracy theories are true (and I don't believe them), practically speaking, its too late to do anything about it anyway.

282 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:50:45pm

re: #220 SasquatchOnSteroids

For

Hey, it's both sides. Funny (not) how a guy like Larry Craig (disgusting) is called every name in the book and made fun of when its' convenient to them, Michael Steele has Oreo cookies rolled up on a stage during a debate and noone on the left comes to his defense, and Miss California is now "fair game" to feminist groups. The far right and the far left have a lot in common with their hatreds and biases, and I'm sick of them both.

I would quibble with you on the Craig matter. The left didn't mock Craig for being gay, but for being an avid anti-gay, "family values" Republican legislator while privately cruising men's rooms. It's not a question of his sexuality, but of his monumental hypocrisy.

283 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:50:48pm

re: #277 MandyManners

Don't ratchet up a pun thread.

Who told you to pipe in ?

284 Jim in Virginia  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:51:16pm

re: #240 idioma

"People don’t understand the dictionary—it’s called queer."
"I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual."

Yeah, and some of my best friends are black too, Joe.

The imaginary gay/black friend argument, whatever.

Actually, this is progress. I recall a debate for a local election in Texas circa 1980. Question on gay rights came from the audience. The Democrat candidates noted their concern for gay rights, as they had all "worked with gay people." None admitted any gay friends.

285 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:51:29pm

re: #234 GeicoGecko

Some slug named Shug has no sense of humor.

That was supposed to be funny?

Try harder.

And try to have 1/1000th the credibility of the person you are insulting.

286 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:51:37pm

re: #226 ArmyWife

Oh we need to submit SOMETHING. We've got talent on this blog, from El Capitan Lizard to wee leetle nobody lizards. With that...

FIRE UP THE PHOTOSHOP MACHINE!

Ya beat me to it!

287 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:06pm

I'm off to bed now, so would someone please do me a favor and post this in the open thread later tonight? It's a National Geographic clip on Palestinian suicide bombers, specifically on how some mothers raise their sons to commit murder-suicide against Jews:

288 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:13pm

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

I merely want to underscore that the fact that "homophobia" is not a malady uniquely ascribable to the so-called right wing.

These guys sure didn't vote for John McCain. Watch the video.

289 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #254 karmasherabwangchuk

due respect he is the one who decided to quit his job as a plumber and become a journalist/pundit/blue collar philosopher. and when he took that job he put himself up to have his ideas and opinions judged as to their merit and worth in the arena of public opinion. he could have let his 15 minutes expire and gone back to fixing broken pipes. instead he has chosen to take a job which he is clearly not qualified for.

Why is he not "qualified"? What tests must Americans pass in order to be "qualified" to express an opinion?

290 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:16pm

re: #255 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry spoke out in lies about American fighting men under oath,
before the U.S. Congress, he then lied more and enabled the over running of S. Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos by mad dog commie killers, millions died, millions suffer still,,,, and there he sits in our U.S. Senate a Democrat party leader,,,,unpunished this very hour.

compare and contrast to Joe the plummer.

One is a douche and the other is an idiot. Different degrees of being an asshole. I need to make a chart up.....re: #282 ShanghaiEd

I would quibble with you on the Craig matter. The left didn't mock Craig for being gay, but for being an avid anti-gay, "family values" Republican legislator while privately cruising men's rooms. It's not a question of his sexuality, but of his monumental hypocrisy.

That is what makes Craig so pathetic

291 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:51pm

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

292 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:54pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

That's my favorite redirect link. Hilarious.

293 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:52:55pm
Joe the Plumber weighs in

/at least he didn't get air time on MSNBC

294 Buck  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:53:27pm

Wow... right on time.... 15 minutes and one second...

295 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:53:35pm

re: #283 Shug

Who told you to pipe in ?

The snake.

296 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:53:42pm

re: #277 MandyManners

Don't ratchet up a pun thread.

It's a lead pipe cinch someone was going to.

297 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:53:58pm

re: #285 Bloodnok

That was supposed to be funny?

Try harder.

And try to have 1/1000th the credibility of the person you are insulting.

This asshole has popped into thread before and made trashy remarks about Lizards and than ran. I don't think it's a Gecko, I think it's a chicken (shit).

298 looking closely  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:54:19pm

re: #271 Desert Dog

Well, he's lost the queer vote, that is for certain! (Mine too and I like women!)


Realistically, he never had it to begin with.

As to his personal view, however "wingnut" Joe the Plumber may be, there are a thousand times as many equally nutty leftist journalists to "counterbalance" him.

That doesn't excuse/justify his positions, nor do I agree with them, but I'm certainly not going to get worked up about them either.

299 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:54:20pm

re: #241 Charles

Meanwhile, a truly monumental kook has shown up in the Melanie Phillips thread.

I went over to take a look. At first I was going to disagree with you, because I thought you were referring to that "long live the 80's" person, who turned out to be kind of a dud.

Then I made it down to the bottom. Wow. You weren't kidding.

300 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:54:30pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

I guess that could be to clarify that the orange slices weren't packed in water or syrup, like some fruits...you got me.

301 zoidberg  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:54:32pm

re: #270 boofar

Instead they got the Vista of politics

HA!

C# is teh awesome...

Yes, yes it is.

302 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:01pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

Yes.
And they want to be sure you don't sue them because you thought it would be packed in grapefruit juice, so they let you know up front that the mandarin oranges are packed in their own juice.

Sort of like the warning on the sides of kiddie pools, "This item is not intended for use as a personal flotation device".

303 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:11pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

I didn't even know you could get orange slices in a can!

304 Dave the.....  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:15pm

Could it be some people are tired of the homo-fascists? Example....you can't be Miss America unless you speak out in favor of gay marriage.

305 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:19pm

re: #126 Ojoe

Thanks, that's cool!

306 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:23pm
307 looking closely  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:27pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

It could be packed in simple syrup (ie sugar water) as many fruits are.

308 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:37pm

re: #282 ShanghaiEd

I would quibble with you on the Craig matter. The left didn't mock Craig for being gay, but for being an avid anti-gay, "family values" Republican legislator while privately cruising men's rooms. It's not a question of his sexuality, but of his monumental hypocrisy.

Dinged up because you're right. Point taken, and they were right to do so.

309 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:55:40pm

re: #217 Jim in Virginia

Interestingly, the Tulsa county platform did not call out Homosexuality specifically. It's problem, rather, is its explicitly religious nature. For example, they want the Bible used as a history text.

IMO, far and away the most grievous, and dare I say it, unAmerican bit coming out of OK was in the state platform draft, and it wasn't about homosexuality or Intelligent Design. Rather, it is this statement:

12. We believe that government should not fund any organization that opposes the ideas and principles contained in the Republican Platform.

Read that carefully and think about it.

Are we nation of laws, or are we a nation of fealty to a political party?

310 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:56:44pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

Some fruits (peaches come to mind) are packed in a white grape juice mix - perhaps that's why.

I love Mandarin oranges, though. In case you were wondering.

311 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:56:57pm

re: #293 Killian Bundy

The words "mommy issues" and misogyny come to mind every time I see that POS. If I ever see Olberdouche in person, I will spit on him.

312 Last Mohican  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #310 ArmyWife

Some fruits (peaches come to mind) are packed in a white grape juice mix - perhaps that's why.

Peaches? Packed in a non-peach fruit juice?

Those bastards! What are they trying to pull?

313 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #311 Desert Dog

The words "mommy issues" and misogyny come to mind every time I see that POS. If I ever see Olberdouche in person, I will spit on him.

DON'T BE LIKE GERALDO!

314 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:57:50pm

re: #298 looking closely

Realistically, he never had it to begin with.

As to his personal view, however "wingnut" Joe the Plumber may be, there are a thousand times as many equally nutty leftist journalists to "counterbalance" him.

That doesn't excuse/justify his positions, nor do I agree with them, but I'm certainly not going to get worked up about them either.

Joe has had his moment in the sun, it's time for him to ride off into the sunset

315 drogheda  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:58:08pm

re: #264 zoidberg

What a disgusting thing to say. Obviously these "friends" of his don't have much self respect to consider this wanker to be a "friend".

Or perhaps Joe the Plumber is one of those sorts who mistakes casual acquaintances for friends.

316 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:58:14pm

re: #303 sleepyone

I didn't even know you could get orange slices in a can!

Well, I can't, to hard to seal the cans, but, yes, I have a can of Kroger Mandarin orange peeled segments right here. Product of China. Probably has lead in the oranges.

317 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:58:19pm

JTP should have been a 1 trick pony.
Stick to the taxes issue. The issues of fairness ( or lack of ) in the tax code.
Stress the importance of hard work and realizing the American dream

and stop there.

I cringed when he was on FNC, and other media outlets discussing foreign policy, and everything under the sun.

we all have a right to our uneducated opinions, but that doesn't mean we need to express them on National Television.

He had a good angle on the taxes and hard work angle, but he was way over his head discussing other things.

and now he's just hurting the cause he tried to promote with his absolute stupidity and bigotry

Shut up Joe

318 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:59:10pm

re: #314 Desert Dog

Joe has had his moment in the sun, it's time for him to ride off into the sunset

It's time to put him back in the box and ship him back to Holland, Ohio. /

319 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:59:24pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Product of China. Probably has lead in the oranges.

And oranges in their lead. QC is a big problem over there, I tell you what.

320 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:59:50pm

re: #312 Last Mohican

Peaches? Packed in a non-peach fruit juice?

Those bastards! What are they trying to pull?

Big fruit is now on the list.

Chemtrails
DHS
Bohemian Grove
Cling Peaches

It's all starting to make sense now....

321 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:59:50pm

re: #304 Dave the.....

Don't you think that term is a little harsh with which to tar the entire community? Do they not have a right to petition to have their grievances heard? What about the Women's Suffrage movement? Where they fem-fascists?

322 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 7:59:55pm

re: #309 freetoken

Interestingly, the Tulsa county platform did not call out Homosexuality specifically. It's problem, rather, is its explicitly religious nature. For example, they want the Bible used as a history text.

IMO, far and away the most grievous, and dare I say it, unAmerican bit coming out of OK was in the state platform draft, and it wasn't about homosexuality or Intelligent Design. Rather, it is this statement:

Read that carefully and think about it.

Are we nation of laws, or are we a nation of fealty to a political party?

Sounds like they want one-party rule too, with THEM at the helm...dangerous stuff, and it will insure the GOP will continue to get the shit kicked out of it (even if this is a local party platform).

323 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:00:33pm

re: #310 ArmyWife

Some fruits (peaches come to mind) are packed in a white grape juice mix - perhaps that's why.

I love Mandarin oranges, though. In case you were wondering.

And I don't understand this one. Fruit jelly, which is just pure fruit, no added sugar or extra calories, are more expensive than regular fruit jelly with all kinds of extra fattening stuff.

Why more expensive?

You know, it's damn hard and pricey to try to eat good.

324 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:00:55pm

Totally off topic -
I spilled wine on a new shirt Saturday and my stepmother told me to get Carbona stain devils for wine - or just bring her the shirt and she would wash it. I should have selected that option because I bought the stain stuff and the instructions fell off the bottle. Anyone use this stuff? Anyone know what I'm supposed to do?

325 American Sabra  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:00:57pm

re: #282 ShanghaiEd

I would quibble with you on the Craig matter. The left didn't mock Craig for being gay, but for being an avid anti-gay, "family values" Republican legislator while privately cruising men's rooms. It's not a question of his sexuality, but of his monumental hypocrisy.

Indeed and there were others. Haggard for one (he added drugs too if I'm not mistaken). But I think most people caught on to that.

326 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:01:04pm

Why, I've laid more pipe in this town than Ron Jeremy at a nymphomaniac convention.

Stick to that one, Joe.

327 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:01:23pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Well, I can't, to hard to seal the cans, but, yes, I have a can of Kroger Mandarin orange peeled segments right here. Product of China. Probably has lead in the oranges.

Shit! I think between you and buzzsawmonkey I get the most laughs out of some lizardoid comments.

328 dwells38  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:01:34pm

re: #233 pittrader1988

I agree, but at the same time reasonable people can say they don't accept the notion of "queers", gay marriage, abortion.

If you are a devout Christian, I can see you having trouble with gays and gay marriage. I can see you having trouble with abortion.

Reasonable people can disagree on these points, and as long as one is not hysterical, I think it's pretty tough to find accommodation on them.

If you are pro choice, and I am pro life-there are not too many gray areas in between. Pro-gay marriage, anti-gay marriage, where is the compromise?

Pittrader I agee with you that people have a right to their opinions and Plumber Joe absolutely has a right to speak them. But we're just talking right and wrong here. I'm not sure I agree with gay marriage because it blurs things and could open the door for more bizarre unions that could merely represent an abuse of the institution.

But he clearly implied gays are abnormal people and can't be trusted around children. Based on what? All the science says these people can't help their sexual orientation which is obviously a complicated thing. It may be due to development or genetics or both. But there's no data that says a disproportionate number of gays are pedophiles that I'm aware of. Gays are 10% of any population so if I can't believe there are that many deviant pervs out there in addition to all the hetero pervs lurking out there too. I'd never let my kids out to ride their bikes if there were.

Anyway that's my beef. It just seems like an unnecessary slur and undermines his attempt to appear tolerant.

329 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:01:36pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

And I don't understand this one. Fruit jelly, which is just pure fruit, no added sugar or extra calories, are more expensive than regular fruit jelly with all kinds of extra fattening stuff.

Why more expensive?

You know, it's damn hard and pricey to try to eat good.

Industrial production has reduced the price of pectin, cane sugar, etc., far below the cost of fruit.

330 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:01:57pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

Totally off topic -
I spilled wine on a new shirt Saturday and my stepmother told me to get Carbona stain devils for wine - or just bring her the shirt and she would wash it. I should have selected that option because I bought the stain stuff and the instructions fell off the bottle. Anyone use this stuff? Anyone know what I'm supposed to do?

Check here - Carbona Stain Devils Instructions.

331 Charles  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:02:24pm

See the update above...

332 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:02:34pm

re: #321 Sharmuta

Don't you think that term is a little harsh with which to tar the entire community? Do they not have a right to petition to have their grievances heard? What about the Women's Suffrage movement? Where they fem-fascists?

Well, some would say that Rush smeared all feminists who did not fit into the GOP's notions of "womanhood" at that time as "feminazis".

333 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:02:42pm
334 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:02:55pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

Totally off topic -
I spilled wine on a new shirt Saturday and my stepmother told me to get Carbona stain devils for wine - or just bring her the shirt and she would wash it. I should have selected that option because I bought the stain stuff and the instructions fell off the bottle. Anyone use this stuff? Anyone know what I'm supposed to do?

If that don't do it, there's always Fels Naptha Soap - take the skin off yer hands, and the stains from your washing.

335 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:04pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

Anyone know what I'm supposed to do?


Drink more wine and you won't give a shit about the wine stain on your shirt.

336 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:05pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

And I don't understand this one. Fruit jelly, which is just pure fruit, no added sugar or extra calories, are more expensive than regular fruit jelly with all kinds of extra fattening stuff.

Why more expensive?

You know, it's damn hard and pricey to try to eat good.

Because fillers and extenders are cheaper than the fruit for the jelly....if it's all fruit, with nothing added like HFCS or pectin, then it's generally gonna cost more than your everyday jams or jellies.

/like you said, the good stuff is usually more expensive...

337 neoconkat  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:10pm

*Twitch* So tired of hearing "Founding Father's based the Constitution/Nation, etc... off Christian Values". Gah. Age of Enlightenment people, Deism, so on and so forth. /end frustration

338 Jimmah  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:21pm

re: #241 Charles

Meanwhile, a truly monumental kook has shown up in the Melanie Phillips thread.

It's off it's trolley. Quite entertaining so far though.

339 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:23pm

re: #330 reine.de.tout

Tips

1. Use the formula that's right for your stain. Follow the instructions.
2. Because Stain Devils are individually formulated, stain removal instructions may change from formula to formula. Follow the directions printed on the label of the bottle you are using.

ARRGGHHHH! (Thanks for trying, though)

340 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:44pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

Or snake urine?

Or dog slobber?

Or, or....


Bon appetite!

341 zoidberg  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:44pm

re: #317 Shug

Shut up Joe

Indeed. He should've quit whilst he was ahead.

342 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:46pm

That's almost as nuts as what Joe "The Sheriff" Biden said about taking precautions over the swine flu. Course, that Joe is one heart beat away from being President. oh well.....

343 AMER1CAN  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:52pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

OT -

I just opened a can of Mandarin orange slices and on the can it says "in Mandarin orange juice." WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

To know what it's packed in, one must first know where it was made. If you say China, then all bets are off it's even juice or even edible.

No but seriously, getting back on topic, I have seen tuna packed in oil and that seemed weird. I always get tuna in spring water. Always.

344 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:03:57pm

re: #331 Charles

See the update above...

Fifty-fucking-million diings, Charles!

345 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:17pm

re: #240 idioma
During the 2000 campaign, who was it who mentioned that Dick Cheney's Daughter was gay, during a Presidential debate?
(Hint: not the Republican)

346 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:17pm

re: #340 The Shadow Do

Or snake urine?

Or dog slobber?

Or, or....

Bon appetite!

Don't be silly! Do you have any idea how much snake whizz and dog drool cost?

347 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:33pm

Okay, Joe the plumber is way past his prime and he used the slur "queer", very bad.

/now, where's the moral outrage over this prime time garbage?

348 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:34pm
349 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:39pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Well, I can't, to hard to seal the cans, but, yes, I have a can of Kroger Mandarin orange peeled segments right here. Product of China. Probably has lead in the oranges.

Speaking of oranges, does anyone remember the

Oranges Smoranges

of the outrageous H.R. Puffenstuff's Witchipoo?

350 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:41pm

re: #331 Charles

None of them, Meghan McCain included, speak for me.

351 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:42pm

re: #332 MandyManners

Well, some would say that Rush smeared all feminists who did not fit into the GOP's notions of "womanhood" at that time as "feminazis".

Remember that morning on an open thread we had to defend feminism? It's hard when you have to battle both the left and the right on such an issue. The "feminists" on the left don't speak for me, but I don't need the right bashing me too. They marginalize the real issues for women when they do that.

352 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:04:43pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

Totally off topic -
I spilled wine on a new shirt Saturday and my stepmother told me to get Carbona stain devils for wine - or just bring her the shirt and she would wash it. I should have selected that option because I bought the stain stuff and the instructions fell off the bottle. Anyone use this stuff? Anyone know what I'm supposed to do?

SHOOT YER SHIRT.

353 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:05:16pm
Sit down Joe, don't let em see ya

/ Biden

354 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:05:36pm

re: #351 Sharmuta

Remember that morning on an open thread we had to defend feminism? It's hard when you have to battle both the left and the right on such an issue. The "feminists" on the left don't speak for me, but I don't need the right bashing me too. They marginalize the real issues for women when they do that.

It's hard treading water from two rivers.

355 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:05:43pm

Comment from Hot Air.....

We are all gay now. Or we are all plumbers now. Or whatever.


Heh

356 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:05:45pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

Totally off topic -
I spilled wine on a new shirt Saturday and my stepmother told me to get Carbona stain devils for wine - or just bring her the shirt and she would wash it. I should have selected that option because I bought the stain stuff and the instructions fell off the bottle. Anyone use this stuff? Anyone know what I'm supposed to do?

Get WINEAWAY! [Link: www.wineaway.com...]

357 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:05:46pm

re: #331 Charles

See the update above...

To quote Lawrence from Office Space, "Fuckin' A!"

;-P

358 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:05:54pm

re: #313 MandyManners

DON'T BE LIKE GERALDO!

OR WE'll LOCK YOU IN AL CAPONE'S VAULT!

///

359 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:06:11pm

re: #354 MandyManners

It's hard treading water from two rivers.

Ommmmmmmmm......

360 zoidberg  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:06:18pm

re: #315 drogheda

Or perhaps Joe the Plumber is one of those sorts who mistakes casual acquaintances for friends.

Hey, he met Obama once that I know of. Maybe he thinks Obama's one of his closest friends even though Big O's a leftist (I wonder if he lets leftists near his children?).

361 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:06:19pm

re: #342 Afton

That's almost as nuts as what Joe "The Sheriff" Biden said about taking precautions over the swine flu. Course, that Joe is one heart beat away from being President. oh well.....

If Joe does somehow become President, we will just tell him that Obama was storing big vats of Swine Flu in the Oval office and he won't go near the place

362 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #351 Sharmuta

Remember that morning on an open thread we had to defend feminism? It's hard when you have to battle both the left and the right on such an issue. The "feminists" on the left don't speak for me, but I don't need the right bashing me too. They marginalize the real issues for women when they do that.

Are you Christina Hoff Sommers, by any chance? If so, I had a drink with you back in '95.

363 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:06:31pm

re: #339 ArmyWife

ARRGGHHHH! (Thanks for trying, though)

Amazon product page has this review:

I had a table cloth with a large berry cobler stain and red wine stains. The table cloth didn't get wash for several days after the party. I tried spray and wash, shout, biz bleach. Nothing worked. I soaked it in Carbona overnight, washed it in hot water and the stain came out! I could not believe it.
364 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:07:06pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

Soak the whole shirt in wine, then wash. All will be even.

/

365 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:07:11pm
366 stevedecatur  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:07:21pm

I hate the self appointed morality enforcement wing of the Republican party. Anything akin to the morality police of Saudi Arabia, Gaza, Iran, Afghanistan etc is the exact opposite of America should be doing.

367 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:07:26pm

If only Joe the Plumber would take some lessons in political correctness from Al Franken!

368 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:07:26pm

re: #346 Guanxi88

Don't be silly! Do you have any idea how much snake whizz and dog drool cost?

Wll, not as much as slug slime I think!

369 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:07:34pm

re: #331 Charles

See the update above...

Yep, right on cue, Skeletor chimes in.

370 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:08:03pm

re: #364 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Soak the whole shirt in wine, then wash. All will be even.

/

That is a terrible waste of wine....just drink enough wine until you do not care there's a stain

371 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #368 The Shadow Do

Wll, not as much as slug slime I think!

The raw material's cheap, but it's the labor that'll cost you. Those guys are union.

372 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:08:41pm

re: #366 stevedecatur

JTP isn't a Republican anything, and morality never hurt anyone. It's the bigotry that is at issue here.

373 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:08:55pm

re: #362 Guanxi88

Are you Christina Hoff Sommers, by any chance? If so, I had a drink with you back in '95.

LOL! Nope- not me.

374 wiffersnapper  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:09:11pm

Gotta love to hate Alan Colmes for making all these broad stroke remarks about conservatives. Stay classy, Alan.

375 Lynn B.  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:09:20pm

Ok, just checked in after a nutso day followed by a wonderful dinner and (need I say) some damned good wine.

WTF?

I'm trying to convince my dad that he should browse outside the confines of the Democratic party where he's never been that comfortable and yet ... and yet W.T.F.?

So Joe The Plumber was either a leftie plant or just a plain old unambiguous bigot/ass. Not a great surprise, I guess. Either way ... pass. (And his "journalism" left a lot to be desired.)

Well, I guess I go read this thread now...

376 nyc redneck  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:09:22pm

re: #317 Shug

JTP should have been a 1 trick pony.
Stick to the taxes issue. The issues of fairness ( or lack of ) in the tax code.
Stress the importance of hard work and realizing the American dream

and stop there.

I cringed when he was on FNC, and other media outlets discussing foreign policy, and everything under the sun.

we all have a right to our uneducated opinions, but that doesn't mean we need to express them on National Television.

He had a good angle on the taxes and hard work angle, but he was way over his head discussing other things.

and now he's just hurting the cause he tried to promote with his absolute stupidity and bigotry

Shut up Joe

that sums it up perfectly.
someone should have known when to stop treating him like he had something relevant to say. his initial exchange w/o did not make him an instant expert
on everything. too bad he had no self awareness. these comments abt. gay
people are just absurd.

377 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:09:34pm

re: #371 Guanxi88

The raw material's cheap, but it's the labor that'll cost you. Those guys are union.

I gonna stop, I'm grossing myself out.

378 Guanxi88  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:09:48pm

re: #373 Sharmuta

LOL! Nope- not me.

Well, you might want to take a look at her "Who Stole Feminism?" book; a kindred spirit.

379 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #374 wiffersnapper

Gotta love to hate Alan Colmes for making all these broad stroke remarks about conservatives. Stay classy, Alan.

He's as sharp as a razor, that Alan Combs.....a dull, rusted and worn out razor

380 Jimmah  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:10:09pm

I figured Joe the Plumber was a no-no when I saw him advertise that dodgy 'give us a dollar and we'll save you from unfair tax forever' phone vote thing.

381 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:10:42pm

re: #366 stevedecatur

I hate the self appointed morality enforcement wing of the Republican party. Anything akin to the morality police of Saudi Arabia, Gaza, Iran, Afghanistan etc is the exact opposite of America should be doing.

Now, let's not forget how the Nazis and the Commies treated homosexuals. And, Gypsies. And, Slavs. And, Jews.

The truth is that humanity has an innate fear of "The Other".

382 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:11:07pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

WTF, do they think I thought they would be packed in grapefruit juice?

I'm surprised its not high fructose corn syrup.

383 AMER1CAN  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:11:10pm

Waaay OT - Charles, I was just curious if there is any LGF app for the iphone in the works? Perhaps a way to view and post comments? Have you played with the API much?

384 drogheda  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:11:21pm
re: #358 Dark_Falcon
re: #313 MandyManners

DON'T BE LIKE GERALDO!

OR WE'll LOCK YOU IN AL CAPONE'S VAULT!

///

Well that would certainly make it less disappointing the next time it is unsealed.

385 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:11:26pm

re: #331 Charles

See the update above...

The remarks on gays - guy might as well wear an "I'm an idiot" sign as far as I'm concerned. Them's fighten' words, as it were. Still, Skeletor can bite me. In his dreams.

386 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:11:41pm

re: #381 MandyManners

Now, let's not forget how the Nazis and the Commies treated homosexuals. And, Gypsies. And, Slavs. And, Jews.

The truth is that humanity has an innate fear of "The Other".

Very true.

387 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:12:00pm

Ok, well, you guys are just no help at all for Carbona Stain Devils instructions. I'll follow TFK's advice (because I have ice handy) and tomorrow I will AGAIN schlep to the store and read the directions, all the while the wine will be taking hold of the fibers of my shirt.

I shall email Carbona and tell them their website is useless. I will forgive them if they develop Carbona Stain Devils #15 - horse boogers.

388 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:12:11pm

re: #370 Desert Dog

That is a terrible waste of wine....just drink enough wine until you do not care there's a stain

Well, she could use Boone's Farm.

389 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:12:35pm

Mandarin oranges packed in frog diarrhea.

/now I'll stop

390 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:13:01pm

re: #378 Guanxi88

Well, you might want to take a look at her "Who Stole Feminism?" book; a kindred spirit.

I will look into it- thank you!

391 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:13:22pm

Does anyone here like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with dill pickles on the side like I do?

392 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:13:31pm

Okay. My Kimber is cleaned. What happened?

393 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:13:55pm

OT- just got word from Dianna, who is stuck with dial-up at her mother's, so she's unable to join us. She sends her love, and will be back as soon as she gets some business settled.

394 talon_262  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:07pm

re: #388 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Well, she could use Boone's Farm.

Boone's Farm is not even fit for human consumption, unless your stated goal is to get shitfaced from the get-go...

/must I?

395 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:12pm

re: #189 HelloDare

Yep. That's about right. I love the Federalist Papers. They guide my understanding of what America should be. God may be a distant background to (some of) those who wrote them, but he certainly wasn't front and center. Greek and Roman ideals guided their thoughts. And that's OK! It's government they were after and not God's kingdom.

396 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:20pm

re: #347 Killian Bundy

Okay, Joe the plumber is way past his prime and he used the slur "queer", very bad.

/now, where's the moral outrage over this prime time garbage?

No one?

/guess Bonkeys get a pass on disgusting filth

397 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:22pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone here like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with dill pickles on the side like I do?

just eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww....

ewwwwwwwwww......

now PBJ and bacon, that's another story

398 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:24pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

I hate jelly. HATE IT. Gross. Gross. GROSS.

Peanut butter and nutella on the other hand...

399 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:43pm

re: #306 taxfreekiller

Cars by Fiat and Government by Fiat.

3 : an authoritative or arbitrary order : decree

400 jorline  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:14:53pm

Joe, please follow Britney and Paris...exit stage left!

401 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:15:12pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

No.

402 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:15:20pm
403 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:15:22pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone here like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with dill pickles on the side like I do?

Elvis, is that you ?

Are you really alive?

404 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:15:40pm

re: #400 jorline

Joe, please follow Britney and Paris...exit stage left!

There's a 'Simple Life' spin-off potential there.

405 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:15:44pm

re: #328 dwells38

Pittrader I agee with you that people have a right to their opinions and Plumber Joe absolutely has a right to speak them. But we're just talking right and wrong here. I'm not sure I agree with gay marriage because it blurs things and could open the door for more bizarre unions that could merely represent an abuse of the institution.

But he clearly implied gays are abnormal people and can't be trusted around children. Based on what?


When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

406 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:16:40pm

re: #399 Mich-again

Fiat money.

407 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:17:34pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

One of my favorite movies of all time!

408 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:17:35pm

re: #402 taxfreekiller

#391
not me but ms tfk ate that the whole time she was pregnant...

Interesting, I don't think I'm pregnant.

409 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

There's a 'Simple Life' spin-off potential there.

Nobody ever asks a plumber if he wears boxers or briefs.

410 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:17:57pm

re: #394 talon_262

Boone's Farm is not even fit for human consumption, unless your stated goal is to get shitfaced from the get-go...

/must I?

I'm sorry to hear that, because there were a couple of years somewhere when there was a bottle of it attached permanently to my hand.

411 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:17:58pm

re: #345 NelsFree

John Edwards. You can certainly make the argument that family of politicians should be off-limits, many would agree. Aside from that however, the sentiment was correct: It was the religious right who pushed the idea that homosexuality is a choice, rather than genetic. It was Republicans who utilized the "family values" tactic. Gay marriage was no small issue in the 2004 campaign. Assuming Dick Cheney embodies these sentiments, shouldn't his daughter's homosexuality be an issue? If i'm a politician and I want to campaign on "let's crack down on drug users" I'd first make damn sure my children aren't using drugs.

412 captdiggs  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:05pm

Joe's about an hour beyond his 15 minutes of fame.

413 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:24pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

There's a 'Simple Life' spin-off potential there.

Now there isn't. Paris and Britney at least look good. Joe didn't have looks, but I thought he had common sense. I guess I was wrong.

414 solomonpanting  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:24pm
Who on the right, in addition to Meghan McCain, will stand up and say this guy doesn’t speak for them?

I will.
Now, who on the left in addition to...uh...will stand up and say Bill Ayers or Jimmy Carter doesn't speak for them?

415 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:37pm
416 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:38pm

re: #396 Killian Bundy

No one?

/guess Bonkeys get a pass on disgusting filth

Olbermann's a POS - he's the most vile, uneducated, moronic excuse of a newsman on cable - my guess is that he's old news and it doesn't sell any newspapers anymore to point out his scum-like behavior.

417 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:48pm

re: #396 Killian Bundy

You know and I know that the left doesn't care about bigotry, they only say they do. It's only the rare voice that speaks against when uttered on the left. Just today TNR published an article on one of the potential Obama picks for the Supreme court who's a woman and minority through ethnicity as well and they basically said that she's overbearing and just not that smart...

If anyone in conservative circles had written the article then the packs would be hot on the scent and howling for blood.

418 Jimmah  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:18:56pm

OT : my 'entry' in the Renaissance Cartoon competition from the earlier thread:

[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]

Apologies to a Mr H. Bosch

419 idioma  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:19:17pm

re: #345 NelsFree

If being gay didn't matter to Republican voters, it wouldn't have been effective or worth mentioning either.

Look, dirty fighting looks bad from either side.

My point is this: The Democrats are going to win by default when the alternative party make ridiculous claims about god and country. The GOP promises to "bring America back to it's christian roots", and that should scare you. The Democrats haven't improved in any way, they don't need to. They can just sit tight and let the GOP dig deeper, sink lower, until they become the party of none.

If you thought a two party system has problems, just wait until your choice is between cake and death.

420 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:19:47pm

re: #403 Shug

Elvis, is that you ? Are you really alive?

I was just wondering. I like a number of odd food combinations. Like cottage cheese with wine vinegar.

421 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:07pm

re: #394 talon_262

Boones farm strawberry Hill was my wine of choice in High School. .99 cents Per bottle.

422 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:19pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

So what you are saying, is that they did not manage to turn you into teh ghey ? You really think a straight person could be convinced to be gay?

423 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:20pm

re: #393 Sharmuta

OT- just got word from Dianna, who is stuck with dial-up at her mother's, so she's unable to join us. She sends her love, and will be back as soon as she gets some business settled.

GOOD!

424 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:25pm

re: #419 idioma

just wait until your choice is between cake and death.


I like cake.

425 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:35pm

re: #399 Mich-again

Cars by Fiat and Government by Fiat.

Fix
It
Again
Tony

426 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:44pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

How old where his friends? Also, did you ever stop and think about what your straight friend was really about being that those two guys were his friends?

427 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:46pm

Joe The Dumber™

428 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:48pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

It's going to be a real shocka for you if it turns out one of your children is gay.

429 ArmyWife  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:20:56pm

I'm going to bed. Remember to have patience with those who share misguided thoughts and opinions. Educate, inform, THEN whack. Politely.

430 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:21:08pm

Were that is.

PIMF

431 dwells38  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:21:14pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone here like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with dill pickles on the side like I do?

No dude. I go straight for the sliced dill pickles and lay them right on the peanut butter. And slap on the lid (top bread slice, that is). YUM! Jelly doesn't enter into it.

432 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:21:27pm

OT:

Over the weekend I saw two vehicles (SUV and truck) with Palin 2012 stickers on the back. This is in Central North Carolina.

433 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:21:44pm

re: #407 Irenicum

One of my favorite movies of all time!

Excellent taste in movies!

434 Jimmah  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:21:52pm

Night folks:)

435 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:15pm

re: #422 BryanS

So what you are saying, is that they did not manage to turn you into teh ghey ? You really think a straight person could be convinced to be gay?

I think it is possible that an insecure teenager could be seduced and then told: Once you go gay, you can never go away!

436 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:32pm

Wow, I just synced photos onto my ipod and ended up taking six gig of space...

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:34pm

Can you imagine how much it sucks to be Robert Gibbs?

I just can't. I'd rather be Andy Gibb.

Or Maurice Gibb.

Just must suck to be him.

Iron Fist Rule. G'night!

438 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:37pm

re: #220 SasquatchOnSteroids

Amen!

439 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:47pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

What does your story have to do with supporting gay marriage (or not)?

440 pittrader1988  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:47pm

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

No, I don't agree with his remarks. I thought calling gays queer went out years ago-but then you have a successful program called Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, and you have to wonder if "queer" becomes a word like "n*****". Only those that are within the segment can use it. I noticed in the movie Milk, it was sometimes used as a term of affection.

I know people that were young in the 1950's still call them queers, so while that word might unsettle me, it doesn't make others blink.

As the the Constitution, in my opinion there is a fine line between God and the Constitution. I think that the Founding Fathers were Christians. People can quibble about Deists, etc; but if we put our breeches and wigs on and went back into time, I think we would find basically a Christian country. I think that the Constitution espouses basic Christian values that work for a modern society. That's where it ends for me(and the founders too I think). There should be absolute separation of church and state.

Gay marriage to me is not possible. I don't think a marriage is anything more than a religious contract. We both can interpret the Bible in different ways like lawyers parsing words to find where God sanctioned or didn't sanction marriage for the same sex.

However, civil unions are another matter. This is man's law, and we can determine what ever we want. After all, we have seen tyrants come and go, and they did things under their law that would be an offensive to a Christian(or any other religious person).

Under the guise of civil unions, I can accept gays getting together. If my church decided to sanction religious ceremonies in it, I would leave the church.

I think that there is room for everyone if we follow the precepts of limited government, personal freedom, property rights, and equal opportunity for all.
Create a vibrant economic environment where people have an opportunity to get ahead, and a lot of these social issues go away (like abortion)

I think that statistically, it has been shown that two parent marriages (opposite sex) provide for the best outcomes for kids. I would grant anyone that gays raising children have not been around long enough, or do not have a large enough statistical sample to make any inferences about them. But, once you do have a large enough sample-if kids that came from traditional marriage do significantly statistically better than kids raised by gay parents-what do you do?

If it was statistically proven, would you let traditional marriage people adopt before gay couples because it was better for society as a whole?

Joe didn't talk about this, but the other hot button is abortion. With regard to abortion, I don't think that we can play God. But we can say that human life is significant, and that it's important. So, federally funding abortions seems like a really bad idea to me. Banning late term abortions seems like a good idea to me. But banning abortion in the first trimester, and especially in cases where the life of the mother is in danger, rape, incest seem wrong as well. I think that what most people want is not to see abortion as birth control.

So, I empathize with Joe, even though I don't agree with him. After reading a lot about Jack Kemp, I think that might be the model of the Republican party we ought to be trying to go for. Don't know how he felt about gay marriage, but he was certainly pro-life.

Many very difficult questions.

441 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:54pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

Interesting, sounds like you had a close call. I was homosexually raped at 11. Took a while to sort that one out. But I did. I am now a proponent of gay unions and am finding myself leaning to the gay marriage proposition.

Good thing, I found out just last year that my younger daughter is gay. I thought she had an unnatural curiosity on my take on the subject before I became aware. Glad now that I didn't go all pedantic on her.

442 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:22:57pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

LOCK YER KIDS UP IN YER BASEMENT!

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:23:04pm

re: #421 BatGuano

Crab Apple Cove, baby!

444 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:23:05pm

re: #417 Thanos

You know and I know that the left doesn't care about bigotry, they only say they do. It's only the rare voice that speaks against when uttered on the left. Just today TNR published an article on one of the potential Obama picks for the Supreme court who's a woman and minority through ethnicity as well and they basically said that she's overbearing and just not that smart...

If anyone in conservative circles had written the article then the packs would be hot on the scent and howling for blood.

Thanks for pointing that out - it would be nice to see those kinds of stories hit the light of day once in awhile. Makes you wonder when nearly 20 hours has been spent on Miss California on MSNBC the past two weeks and yet, not a single word about whether Charles Rangel is going to get thrown out of office or not.

445 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:23:53pm

Why is Allen Colems relevant at all now that he's no longer on H&C playing Hannity's foil? He was always a joke to the left before just for appearing on Fox and I'm assuming nobody on the right had much fondness for him.

446 AMER1CAN  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone here like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with dill pickles on the side like I do?

What about a cantelope with cottage cheese in the center?re: #418 Jimmah

Nicely done! Any Family Guy artwork laying around?

447 stuck in california  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:24:38pm

Bumper sticker?
[Link: stargazerdesigns.net...]

448 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:25:00pm

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

I was just wondering. I like a number of odd food combinations. Like cottage cheese with wine vinegar.

When I was a kid I used to eat cottage cheese with dried Jello-O powder mixed into it.

449 altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:25:15pm

re: #421 BatGuano

Boones farm strawberry Hill was my wine of choice in High School. .99 cents Per bottle.

Boone's farm runs at 3-4 dollars a bottle where I'm at. I discovered strawberry hill this march- wasn't terribly impressed, but the value wasn't easily beat.

450 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #435 Alouette

I think it is possible that an insecure teenager could be seduced and then told: Once you go gay, you can never go away!

Really? I just don't think that happens.

451 MandyManners  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:25:44pm

re: #437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you imagine how much it sucks to be Robert Gibbs?

I just can't. I'd rather be Andy Gibb.
Or Maurice Gibb.

Just must suck to be him.

Iron Fist Rule. G'night!

HE'S DEAD.

452 pittrader1988  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:25:45pm

re: #405 NelsFree

I agree, gays are not at all a danger to kids!

But I am beginning to favor the death penalty for child molesters.

453 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:25:54pm

re: #417 Thanos

You know and I know that the left doesn't care about bigotry, they only say they do. It's only the rare voice that speaks against when uttered on the left. Just today TNR published an article on one of the potential Obama picks for the Supreme court who's a woman and minority through ethnicity as well and they basically said that she's overbearing and just not that smart...

If anyone in conservative circles had written the article then the packs would be hot on the scent and howling for blood.

/my point is why is a "Joe the Plumber" slur in an obscure Christian newspaper article newsworthy and a ten times+ more disgusting prime time MSNBC rant on pretty much the same subject not?

454 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:26:48pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

You stole my line!

455 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:27:08pm

OMG, just read the update. Alan Colmes? ALAN COLMES? This man actually has the nerve to ask someone to stand up against this? That's a bit like Charles Manson asking someone to speak out against Jim Jones.

456 sleepyone  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:27:17pm

Well, gotta go and finish watching the Sox/Yankees game. The Yankees are getting too close for comfort.

457 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:27:29pm

re: #449 altermite

That's why it was so popular when I was in high school. Cheap and you could get a buzz.

458 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:27:49pm

re: #391 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone here like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with dill pickles on the side like I do?

Oh. My. God.

Bleh.

459 Bloodnok  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:28:00pm

re: #451 MandyManners

HE'S DEAD.

So is Maurice.

460 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:28:10pm

re: #126 Ojoe

The low light of evening upon the snow telescope. The Towercam, in the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Pacific time zone.

Keep watching for the sunset, it will be along in a while.

BBL

Ooh, looky now!

461 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:28:20pm

re: #428 Catttt

It's going to be a real shocka for you if it turns out one of your children is gay.

The real shocka, Cattttt, would be if you knew anything about my family to make any informed judgement on them. I shall not deduce anything about your family based on posts here. I shall not sit in judgement of your family, either. I believe an apology (rather than a flamewar) is in order.

462 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:28:24pm

re: #458 Occasional Reader

Oh. My. God.

Bleh.

Are you alright?

463 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:28:57pm

re: #440 pittrader1988

Gay marriage to me is not possible. I don't think a marriage is anything more than a religious contract. We both can interpret the Bible in different ways like lawyers parsing words to find where God sanctioned or didn't sanction marriage for the same sex.

I'm an atheist. Can I get married or should that be banned?

464 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:28:59pm

re: #461 NelsFree

The real shocka, Cattttt, would be if you knew anything about my family to make any informed judgement on them. I shall not deduce anything about your family based on posts here. I shall not sit in judgement of your family, either. I believe an apology (rather than a flamewar) is in order.

She makes a good point.

465 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:29:17pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

Are you alright?

Dill pickles, in and of themselves, are Satan's turds.

And with a PBJ? Bleh.

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:29:30pm

re: #451 MandyManners

(Maurice is dead, too.)

467 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:30:03pm

re: #452 pittrader1988

I agree, gays are not at all a danger to kids!

But I am beginning to favor the death penalty for child molesters.

Don't kid yourself. Every adult is a danger to kids. Only you know your heart and maybe those of your immediate family.

468 altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:30:07pm

re: #461 NelsFree

I'm sorry, I don't think she was insulting your family. Gay doesn't hold a negative connotation for everyone.

469 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:30:10pm

Peanut butter and jelly with pickles isn't bad at all. I used to fry onions in vaseline.

470 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:30:24pm

re: #461 NelsFree

The real shocka, Cattttt, would be if you knew anything about my family to make any informed judgement on them. I shall not deduce anything about your family based on posts here. I shall not sit in judgement of your family, either. I believe an apology (rather than a flamewar) is in order.

Surely you jest. I stand on my statement.

471 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:30:57pm

Can anyone tell me where in the Constitution it specifically states that the Federal Government...at ANY level...can determine whether gays and/or lesbians have the right to marry?
Joe IS right about one thing: this issue belongs with the states and/or the PEOPLE.

Tenth Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

/crickets

472 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:31:18pm

re: #453 Killian Bundy

/my point is why is a "Joe the Plumber" slur in an obscure Christian newspaper article newsworthy and a ten times+ more disgusting prime time MSNBC rant on pretty much the same subject not?

Sure the MSNBC rant was far worse. However, that Village Voice journalist doesn't speak for the a political party on a near official manner and speaks as a private figure due to his obscurity. Joe the Plumber went to CPAC and was on the campaign trail last year and is essentially a public figure speaking on behalf of conservatives.

473 ronsfi  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:31:33pm

He doesn't speak for me either. Tool.

474 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:31:44pm

Why does the anti-gay crowd insist that "queers" are trying to recruit their kids?

475 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:31:50pm

re: #463 Conservative Moonbat

I'm an atheist. Can I get married or should that be banned?

Considering that you have the superior intellect of being an atheist, surely you have the smarts not to want to get married!

/

476 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:32:16pm

Our Genius President: 'Happy Cuatro de Cinco!'

I like to note these little incidents when they happen, not because I think it makes Obama an idiot because he occasionally stumbles over his words, but because his somewhat overblown reputation as the most cerebral, eloquent, utterly erudite president of all time could really use a pricking every now and then.

Also, because if Bush had made such a blunder, it would have been the basis of a four-part MSNBC investigative series on the malapropism's deleterious effects on the Republican Party's attempts to woo Hispanic voters, Mexican-American relations, and our "place in the world."

So, Obama, I will not turn your tendency to mispeak (and, then reprimand your Teleprompter) into an international incident, but I will note it with some glee:

On the eve of the Mexican holiday, Obama on Monday had an event in the East Room of the White House with Mexico's Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan (sahr-oo-KHAN').

Obama joked that it was "Cinco de Cuatro," botching a play on the Spanish word for "four" when he meant to say "Cuatro de Mayo," or the Fourth of May. He tried again, but he still did not get it right.

This from a unilingual man who's embarrassed that more of us can't speak French. If only he were as conversant in Spanish as he is in noted non-language "Austrian," this wouldn't have happened.

477 idioma  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:32:27pm

In many ways, fear of gays has a stronger footing than fear of race.

Even when fear of the black man was all the rage, most everyone was not afraid that somehow a black man would turn their kids black too.

It's a long road ahead.

478 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:32:43pm

re: #463 Conservative Moonbat

I'm an atheist. Can I get married or should that be banned?

I missed that nugget from the post you were replying to, and I agree with your sentiment. If marriage were truly just a religious matter, then what business does the government have getting involved?

479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:32:57pm

re: #475 Afton

Afton Mountain?

480 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:32:58pm

re: #465 Occasional Reader

Dill pickles, in and of themselves, are Satan's turds.

And with a PBJ? Bleh.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... don't ever say that to an ex-New Yorker. Dill pickles rule.

When I crossed the border into texas for the first time, when I was moving to Dallas, I stopped at a "cafe" (up north we called that a dinner), and on the table was a bucket of small sliced pickles. Hot mother fucking pickle I ever had. No, they were jalapenos peppers.

I thought it was a bottomless pickle bucket like we had in the dinners up north.

Cultural differences are fun.

481 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:32:59pm

re: #471 Macker

Can anyone tell me where in the Constitution it specifically states that the Federal Government...at ANY level...can determine whether gays and/or lesbians have the right to marry?

It doesn't specifically state a lot of things.

482 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:33:24pm

re: #472 Gus 802

Sure the MSNBC rant was far worse. However, that Village Voice journalist doesn't speak for the a political party on a near official manner and speaks as a private figure due to his obscurity. Joe the Plumber went to CPAC and was on the campaign trail last year and is essentially a public figure speaking on behalf of conservatives.

If you don't think Keith Olbermann speaks for the Democrat party then you are either loco or you're the only one in America that doesn't.

483 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:33:41pm

re: #481 Million Dollar Man

It doesn't specifically state a lot of things.

EXACTLY MY POINT. The Feds have to shut the fuck up and let the states decide!

484 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:33:54pm

re: #472 Gus 802

Sure the MSNBC rant was far worse. However, that Village Voice journalist doesn't speak for the a political party on a near official manner and speaks as a private figure due to his obscurity. Joe the Plumber went to CPAC and was on the campaign trail last year and is essentially a public figure speaking on behalf of conservatives.

Lots of fools grabbing for the Republican megaphone these days...

485 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:34:13pm

re: #482 Afton

If you don't think Keith Olbermann speaks for the Democrat party then you are either loco or you're the only one in America that doesn't.

Apples and oranges.

486 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:34:20pm

re: #476 gmsc

Geez. Even I can speak enough Spanish to tell the gardeners to stop hacking my rose bush up.

487 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:34:21pm

re: #477 idioma

In many ways, fear of gays has a stronger footing than fear of race.

Even when fear of the black man was all the rage, most everyone was not afraid that somehow a black man would turn their kids black too.

It's a long road ahead.

Actually, with the prevalence of rap music in pop culture, I imagine some parents are afraid of that.

488 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:34:49pm

re: #471 Macker

Can anyone tell me where in the Constitution it specifically states that the Federal Government...at ANY level...can determine whether gays and/or lesbians have the right to marry?
Joe IS right about one thing: this issue belongs with the states and/or the PEOPLE.

Tenth Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

/crickets

Perhaps the libtards on the left could learn an appreciation for the limited powers on the federal governments?... Nahhh!

489 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:34:55pm

re: #472 Gus 802

Sure the MSNBC rant was far worse. However, that Village Voice journalist doesn't speak for the a political party on a near official manner and speaks as a private figure due to his obscurity. Joe the Plumber went to CPAC and was on the campaign trail last year and is essentially a public figure speaking on behalf of conservatives.

That's debatable.

/just looking for equal time

490 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:35:38pm

re: #453 Killian Bundy

I can't answer why the MSNBC story is not newsworthy, but I can tell you why Joe the Plumber's comment was - Joe the Plumber was a major piece of the latter part of John McCain's campaign. My memory needs to be refreshed - how many times did Sarah Palin, VP candidate and until recently, conservative star, mention his name? Wasn't it Hot Air who was promoting him rather heavily not too long ago. If you are a conservative, it is very hard to now claim unfair that his comments are receiving undue attention.

491 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:35:45pm

re: #487 Million Dollar Man

You can replace any/all lyrics from a Rap song with the following two words, "Motherfucker! Cocksucker!' Rinse and repeat.
How original is THAT.

492 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:35:54pm

re: #453 Killian Bundy

Hey, you do have a blog Killian.

493 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:35:55pm

re: #485 Gus 802

Apples and oranges.

/so which is worse, apples or oranges?

494 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:36:02pm

re: #429 ArmyWife

I'm going to bed. Remember to have patience with those who share misguided thoughts and opinions. Educate, inform, THEN whack. Politely.

Excellent advice, AW. I hope to emulate that process. I shall also forgive them. One thing I have learned in life is that people cannot hurt my feelings unless I ALLOW them to hurt my feelings.
Caaatttttttt, you have not hurt my feelings. Please be more considerate when someone opens up with a sincere experience that could have had damaging repurcussions.

495 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:36:05pm

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

I love dill pickles. You are not alone.

NOT with peanut butter and jelly sandwichs, though. :D

I do like Campbell's beans mixed with cottage cheese, though.

496 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:36:12pm

re: #492 Thanos

Hey, you do have a blog Killian.

/and?

497 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:36:26pm

re: #471 Macker

Can anyone tell me where in the Constitution it specifically states that the Federal Government...at ANY level...can determine whether gays and/or lesbians have the right to marry?

It doesn't, which of course means one of two things will eventually occur:
(1) An amendment will be added that explicitly calls for not allowing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation;
(2) The SCOTUS will determine that, in some specific instance or another, a certain right ("pursuit of happiness" ?) is being infringed upon when a certain states refuses to grant a marriage license to a gay couple.

498 ASU86PE  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:36:36pm

re: #425 Desert Dog

F redom's
O n
R oad
D evices

No TARP - No Fascist Demands - No Double Taxation!

499 jelo  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:36:48pm

re: #287 The Sanity Inspector

In the preamble of what you posted, she (Lisa Ling?) said; "anger at the occupation" as a matter of fact. She (Lisa) did not clarify that the term "occupation" was her subject's point of view but stated it as common fact!
So therefor, the observer of this video will tend to be sympathetic to the cause to fight "occupation"!

500 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:37:11pm

re: #453 Killian Bundy

/my point is why is a "Joe the Plumber" slur in an obscure Christian newspaper article newsworthy and a ten times+ more disgusting prime time MSNBC rant on pretty much the same subject not?

Because it fits their template of what the Republicans are. They trot out crap like this and say, "SEE, the Republicans are lowlife gay haters". The same reason they ran 10000000 stories on Abu Grahib or (insert rightwing scandal here). It must be nice living in that fantasyland over there in MSNBC. As much as FOX is rightwing, at least they actually offer up the other side. MSNBC is about as one-sided as you can get.

501 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:37:25pm

re: #490 Flyers1974

I can't answer why the MSNBC story is not newsworthy, but I can tell you why Joe the Plumber's comment was - Joe the Plumber was a major piece of the latter part of John McCain's campaign. My memory needs to be refreshed - how many times did Sarah Palin, VP candidate and until recently, conservative star, mention his name? Wasn't it Hot Air who was promoting him rather heavily not too long ago. If you are a conservative, it is very hard to now claim unfair that his comments are receiving undue attention.

502 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:37:41pm

re: #486 Catttt

Geez. Even I can speak enough Spanish to tell the gardeners to stop hacking my rose bush up.

My landscaping guys keep hacking any vegetable seedings that I don't surround with cages, and they are all redneck white guys!

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:37:42pm

re: #477 idioma

Had a conversation tonight. Was meeting a friend for a drink (in the middle of an ugly separation). Named a place, she said, "But, that's a gay bar." I said, "So? I'm not gay. I'm still allowed in the bar."

She said, "But it's a gay bar!".

Thought it was safer that way. We didn't meet.

504 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:05pm

re: #491 Macker

You can replace any/all lyrics from a Rap song with the following two words, "Motherfucker! Cocksucker!' Rinse and repeat.
How original is THAT.

Ironically, rap music has become so accepted in mainstream culture that people ignore all the homophobic lyrics it often contains.

505 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:16pm

re: #497 freetoken

And remember what Andrew Jackson said about SCOTUS.

506 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:24pm

re: #472 Gus 802

Sure the MSNBC rant was far worse. However, that Village Voice journalist doesn't speak for the a political party on a near official manner and speaks as a private figure due to his obscurity. Joe the Plumber went to CPAC and was on the campaign trail last year and is essentially a public figure speaking on behalf of conservatives.

And the fact of the matter is this - Joe the Plumber's every word is scrutinized by the Left as well as his reputation debunked because America heard him speak of Conservative positions - as of right now, in America, I think you can still say what you want, like people like Joe the Plumber do, but the new wrinkle is this - if you are conservative and actually open your mouth and speak about your convictions or your positions, you are piled on so bad that it's supposed to effectively shut you up for good. Keith Olbermann gets away with what he does because conservatives believe in free speech - the Left only believes in free speech when it agrees with their position.

507 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #490 Flyers1974

I can't answer why the MSNBC story is not newsworthy, but I can tell you why Joe the Plumber's comment was - Joe the Plumber was a major piece of the latter part of John McCain's campaign. My memory needs to be refreshed - how many times did Sarah Palin, VP candidate and until recently, conservative star, mention his name? Wasn't it Hot Air who was promoting him rather heavily not too long ago. If you are a conservative, it is very hard to now claim unfair that his comments are receiving undue attention.

So was Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers, I think we should roll those two out and see how they feel about things too, yes?

508 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:27pm

re: #490 Flyers1974

Joe the Plumber was a major piece of the latter part of John McCain's campaign. My memory needs to be refreshed - how many times did Sarah Palin, VP candidate and until recently, conservative star, mention his name? Wasn't it Hot Air who was promoting him rather heavily not too long ago. If you are a conservative, it is very hard to now claim unfair that his comments are receiving undue attention.

Well... specifically, his question to Obama, and Obama's flippant "spread the wealth" response, were made issues. Which is a rather different thing from some sort of wholesale endorsement of Joe and all his political beliefs.

509 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:52pm

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had a conversation tonight. Was meeting a friend for a drink (in the middle of an ugly separation). Named a place, she said, "But, that's a gay bar." I said, "So? I'm not gay. I'm still allowed in the bar."

She said, "But it's a gay bar!".

Thought it was safer that way. We didn't meet.

Sorry to hear about your separation.

510 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #502 Alouette

My landscaping guys keep hacking any vegetable seedings that I don't surround with cages, and they are all redneck white guys!

My ex knew not to go near the gardens. Anything he weeded might be a good plant - or a good weed. :D

511 zelnaga  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:39:19pm

re: #24 Charles

I don't know. I have no connection to PJ at this point.

Hmmm - is this a permanent thing or just temporary? ie. did you have a falling out with PJTV or are you just busy with other projects?

As for Joe the Plumber... I'm actually curious as to his PJTV status, as well. That PJTV thought he'd provide good coverage of the Israel-Gaza coverage doesn't mean that PJTV endorses his attitudes towards homosexuals, however, if he becomes too outspoken in his positions on homosexuality, that could reflect on PJTV, all the same.

Of course, I don't think one interview on the subject, even if on a national TV show, constitutes outspokenness.

512 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:39:23pm

re: #479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Afton Mountain?

not sure what Afton Mountain is - it's a nickname.

513 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #504 Million Dollar Man

Shit, I'd rather listen to DISCO from the 70s than the Top 40 shit which spews forth from the airwaves.

514 dwells38  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:39:37pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

It's an interesting story Nels. The person who pulled you aside was definitely rather forward, aggressive and obviously thought you played for the other team.

But I would guess some of the ladies here might know some harrowing or creepy stories about the guys who wouldn't take no for an answer.

I don't want him around my children either.

515 ASU86PE  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:40:09pm

re: #498 ASU86PE

F reedom's (Oops)
O n
R oad
D evices

No TARP - No Fascist Demands - No Double Taxation!

516 Occasional Reader  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:40:46pm

Good night.

517 wee fury  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:40:50pm

re: #493 Killian Bundy

/so which is worse, apples or oranges?

Oranges. They have those white stringie things that get caught in your teeth.

518 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:40:58pm

re: #514 dwells38

It's an interesting story Nels. The person who pulled you aside was definitely rather forward, aggressive and obviously thought you played for the other team.

But I would guess some of the ladies here might know some harrowing or creepy stories about the guys who wouldn't take no for an answer.

I don't want him around my children either.

Gays in America: `They're here, they're queer, and they're trying to recruit your kids!'

/sarc

519 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:41:26pm

re: #309 freetoken

Damn that's scary! I don't care if it's either party.

520 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:41:26pm

Some of the artists of the 60's are revising their hits with new lyrics to accommodate the circumstances of aging baby boomers.

They include:
Bobby Darin ---
Splish, Splash, I Was Havin' a Flash.
Herman's Hermits ---
Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Walker
Ringo Starr ---
I Get By With a Little Help From Depends
The Bee Gees ---
How Can You Mend a Broken Hip?
Roberta Flack ---
The First Time Ever I Forgot Your Face...
Johnny Nash ---
I Can't See Clearly Now
Paul Simon ---
Fifty Ways to Lose Your Liver
The Commodores ---
Once, Twice,Three Times to the Bathroom
Marvin Gaye ---
Heard It Through the Grape Nuts
Procol Harem ---
A Whiter Shade of Hair
Leo Sayer ---
You Make Me Feel Like Napping
The Temptations ---
Papa's Got a Kidney Stone
Abba ---
Denture Queen
Tony Orlando ---
Knock 3 Times On The Ceiling If You Hear Me Fall
Helen Reddy ---
I Am Woman , Hear Me Snore
Leslie Gore ---
It's My Procedure, and I'll Cry If I Want To

And Last but NOT least:
Willie Nelson ---
On the Commode Again

521 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:41:39pm

re: #514 dwells38

And don't forget the creepy dudes who accuse women of being lesbians when they turn down an opportunity for a quick roll in the hay with Mr. Wonderbar.

I'd want might kids to avoid them as well.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:41:49pm

re: #498 ASU86PE

F ound
O on
R road
D dead


re: #498 ASU86PE

F irst
O on
R ace
D ay

Toyota guy. Take your pick.

523 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:41:53pm

re: #505 Macker

You must be referring to your blog entry of 25 June 2008.

524 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:41:55pm

re: #518 Million Dollar Man

Um, don't they also suck too?

525 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:42:02pm

re: #490 Flyers1974

I can't answer why the MSNBC story is not newsworthy, but I can tell you why Joe the Plumber's comment was - Joe the Plumber was a major piece of the latter part of John McCain's campaign. My memory needs to be refreshed - how many times did Sarah Palin, VP candidate and until recently, conservative star, mention his name? Wasn't it Hot Air who was promoting him rather heavily not too long ago. If you are a conservative, it is very hard to now claim unfair that his comments are receiving undue attention.

/let me know when you're done self-flagellating and then maybe we can move beyond 2008

526 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:42:19pm

re: #476 gmsc

Obama joked that it was "Cinco de Cuatro," botching a play on the Spanish word for "four" when he meant to say "Cuatro de Mayo," or the Fourth of May. He tried again, but he still did not get it right.

Is a Cinco de Cuatro like a 1/5 of Cuervo?

527 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:42:44pm

re: #496 Killian Bundy

If it's newsworthy then you can blog it, n'est ce pas? I hate even discussing this crap since many people say "see the left is worse" as a distraction, or to somehow make it ok when CJ outs some of the loony right. I know that's not what you are attempting to do, but just saying.

Because they are bad doesn't mean it's ok for us to be bad. If you have integrity it just doesn't work that way.

The next few years we have to regain credence as the adult party with middle america, because our only lever will be the senate. We aren't going to be able to do that by going "oooooooh! Look at them instead!" every time we discover feet of clay in our party.

528 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:43:28pm

re: #476 gmsc

Boy, I'm so glad we got rid of that Idiot George W Bush

/

529 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:43:30pm

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Toyota guy. Take your pick.

F*cked'
Over
Recycled
Dodge

530 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:43:35pm

How to visualize $100 million out of $3.5 Trillion:

531 danrudy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:43:40pm

re: #197 Charles

I would rather see his Columbia transcript. Or, at the very least hear someone talk who remembers seeing him attend

/s

532 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:43:52pm

re: #518 Million Dollar Man

Gays in America: `They're here, they're queer

/forgot about that anthem, but it's okay to chant if you're gay

533 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:01pm

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did someone say Gay Bar?

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:19pm

re: #512 Afton

Afton Mountain is a big (for VA) mountain in VA.

535 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:25pm

re: #523 freetoken

You must be referring to your blog entry of 25 June 2008.

You are correct!

536 Lynn B.  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:30pm
Well, although I’m not really “on the right,” I will. He doesn’t speak for me.

But neither do you, Alan.

ditto. ditto. ditto. ditto....

537 Alouette  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:32pm

re: #287 The Sanity Inspector

I'm off to bed now, so would someone please do me a favor and post this in the open thread later tonight? It's a National Geographic clip on Palestinian suicide bombers, specifically on how some mothers raise their sons to commit murder-suicide against Jews:

That is some sick shit. What is this "occupation" she is complaining about? Did you see the size of that house and the fancy carved front door? Israelis do not live in huge villas like that.

538 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:44:41pm

re: #529 Desert Dog

F*cked'
Over
Recycled
Dodge

Fucker
Only
Rolls
Downhill

539 solomonpanting  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:45:18pm

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

Some of the artists of the 60's are revising their hits with new lyrics to accommodate the circumstances of aging baby boomers.

An elderly couple had dinner at another couple's house, and after eating, the wives left the table and went into the kitchen.
The two gentlemen were talking, and one said, 'Last night we went out to a new restaurant and it was really great. I would recommend it very highly.'
The other man said, 'What is the name of the restaurant?'
The first man thought and thought and finally said, 'What is the name of that flower you give to someone you love?
You know... The one that's red and has thorns.'
'Do you mean a rose?'
'Yes, that's the one,' replied the man. He then turned towards the kitchen and yelled, 'Rose, what's the name of that restaurant we went to last night?'

540 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:45:20pm

re: #482 Afton

If you don't think Keith Olbermann speaks for the Democrat party then you are either loco or you're the only one in America that doesn't.

He frequently criticizes the Democrats from the left. He's not a Democrat. He's a Liberal. When the Democrats aren't being liberal enough he rants at them just like he ranted against bush.

It's the same way a lot of Blogs and sometimes Fox are conservative first and republican second.

541 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:45:24pm

re: #537 Alouette

That is some sick shit. What is this "occupation" she is complaining about? Did you see the size of that house and the fancy carved front door? Israelis do not live in huge villas like that.

They also don't usually have 15 kids, though.

542 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:45:27pm

re: #506 Afton

And the fact of the matter is this - Joe the Plumber's every word is scrutinized by the Left as well as his reputation debunked because America heard him speak of Conservative positions - as of right now, in America, I think you can still say what you want, like people like Joe the Plumber do, but the new wrinkle is this - if you are conservative and actually open your mouth and speak about your convictions or your positions, you are piled on so bad that it's supposed to effectively shut you up for good. Keith Olbermann gets away with what he does because conservatives believe in free speech - the Left only believes in free speech when it agrees with their position.

Well, the fact remains. Joe Wurzelbacher opened his mouth and it will only hurt the GOP as he will continue to hurt the GOP in the months to come. That will be until someone opens their eyes and realizes the liability that he will become. He was working during the campaign and he was invited to CPAC. I do not care about what Keith Olbermann represents. Having some yokel like Mr. Wurzelbacher will only do more harm then good. This is not a question about the MSM.

543 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:46:23pm

well, as i was out weeding in my front yard tonight, a dweeby guy comes up wanting to sign something about a bill regarding clean water. i said-well, in all my 59 yrs, i've never worried about having clean water to drink. he said-well you need to sign this. i asked -is this state or fed? he said fed. i axed him who are the sponsors of this bill? he said-gee lady-nobody has axed me that- but looks thru his fancy clipboard-saying -well it is bipartisan--then shows me the info. the first 2 names--finestein and boxer and then a whole lot of dems. i laughed so hard --he just backed away and said--enjoy your weeding.

544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:46:28pm

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

Nice try. Fat wife is in bed sound asleep. And here I am.

Wait! I'm not here. I am safely in bed, sound asleep with her in 5-4-3... zzzzz.

545 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:46:33pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

I would never claim that it was unfair to use Obama's "spread the wealth" comment against him. It was his own comment after all. Bad move Obama. My point is, Joe the Plumber has been heavily, heavily utilized. Now that its turning a bit uncomfortable, its tough to complain if he's quoted early and often.

546 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:46:57pm

Who decided that Joe the Plumber is a major conservative spokesman?

Truth is, the media did. He is a designated strawman, selected almost at random and cultivated in the belief, now realized, that he would eventually make a complete ass of himself.

547 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:47:10pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

Well... specifically, his question to Obama, and Obama's flippant "spread the wealth" response, were made issues. Which is a rather different thing from some sort of wholesale endorsement of Joe and all his political beliefs.

If BHO would have said "We've had a progressive tax for decades, and it taxes those with higher incomes at a higher rate", we'd never have heard of Joe. Instead, he used the flip "spread the wealth" term, which, while true when speaking of tax rates, made Joe famous.

548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:47:47pm

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW... Hush Walter! Our mountains have been around for... uh... 6 thousand years or so.

What are the Rockies? From last week?

549 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:47:50pm

Quentin Tarentino explains why Top Gun is really a metaphor for homosexuality

550 ASU86PE  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:47:56pm

re: #476 gmsc

Video! I need video! Pleeeze say there's video!

551 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:48:21pm

re: #527 Thanos

If it's newsworthy then you can blog it, n'est ce pas? I hate even discussing this crap since many people say "see the left is worse" as a distraction, or to somehow make it ok when CJ outs some of the loony right. I know that's not what you are attempting to do, but just saying.

Because they are bad doesn't mean it's ok for us to be bad. If you have integrity it just doesn't work that way.

The next few years we have to regain credence as the adult party with middle america, because our only lever will be the senate. We aren't going to be able to do that by going "oooooooh! Look at them instead!" every time we discover feet of clay in our party.

That's an interesting strategy to regain the House and Senate in 2010 and the White House in 2012: We'll let the the Lefty blogs and the MSM continue to rip into any conservative and also ignore every single transgression on the Left while the Conservative blogs and any quasi news media that is close to Conservative will focus primarily on all transgressions, gaffes, and screw ups of Conservatives in order to purify our own house. Yeah! That outta work!

552 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:48:23pm

re: #543 mikeymom

well, as i was out weeding in my front yard tonight, a dweeby guy comes up wanting to sign something about a bill regarding clean water. i said-well, in all my 59 yrs, i've never worried about having clean water to drink. he said-well you need to sign this. i asked -is this state or fed? he said fed. i axed him who are the sponsors of this bill? he said-gee lady-nobody has axed me that- but looks thru his fancy clipboard-saying -well it is bipartisan--then shows me the info. the first 2 names--finestein and boxer and then a whole lot of dems. i laughed so hard --he just backed away and said--enjoy your weeding.

The feds are trying to steal more of our water again. I wish you knew what the bill was or more detail.

553 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:48:32pm

re: #547 avanti

If BHO would have said "We've had a progressive tax for decades, and it taxes those with higher incomes at a higher rate", we'd never have heard of Joe. Instead, he used the flip "spread the wealth" term, which, while true when speaking of tax rates, made Joe famous.

yes, he made a major mistake in Democratic politics...he told a voter what he actually believed rather than the usual "what the voter wants to hear"....big boo boo, it hurt him too.....not enough though...too bad

554 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:48:36pm

re: #481 Million Dollar Man

Au Contraire! Roe v. Wade made the constitution say many things.

555 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:48:37pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel

Who decided that Joe the Plumber is a major conservative spokesman?

He had a few working gigs.

556 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:48:37pm

re: #549 Killgore Trout

Oh, yeah... language warning.

557 acacia  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:23pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

Couldn't agree more. As far as Joe goes - he's not articulate but so what he's a guy who never asked to be in the limelight. He is who he is. His heart is in the right place. He is not a leader of the GOP anymore than Barbra is a leader of the Dems.

558 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:25pm

re: #556 Killgore Trout

Oh, yeah... language warning.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. :D

559 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:30pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel

You really do need to get an avatar from "The Race"...

560 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:35pm

re: #527 Thanos

If it's newsworthy then you can blog it, n'est ce pas?

/hard pressed to get one entry off a day, started on Chrysler but went with Rahm Emanuel's outrageousness for today

561 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:41pm

re: #514 dwells38

Looking back on the incident, I believe the gay person felt I was impressionable and could be convinced to try gay acts with him. I was not, and did not.
Men who predate on women are still heterosexual. I do not wish for this conversation to go too far afield so I will not comment further.
I am confident in my masculinity and would not hurt my Wife. My son understands what homosexuality is about and rejects it. I love my family and do my best each day to honor and protect them. We should all do our best for our families. Thank the Founding Fathers for creating a system of government that understands we have the freedom to raise our families as we see fit. Government does not grant us any freedoms, we already have them!

562 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:44pm

re: #548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW... Hush Walter! Our mountains have been around for... uh... 6 thousand years or so.

What are the Rockies? From last week?

You don't have mountains, they look like tits on Paris Hilton.

563 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:50pm

re: #548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW... Hush Walter! Our mountains have been around for... uh... 6 thousand years or so.

What are the Rockies? From last week?

I've been to you "mountains", we call those "hills" were I am from....nice tree covered hills, but hills nonetheless

564 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:49:56pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel

Who decided that Joe the Plumber is a major conservative spokesman?

Truth is, the media did. He is a designated strawman, selected almost at random and cultivated in the belief, now realized, that he would eventually make a complete ass of himself.

DING DING DING!

565 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:07pm

re: #550 ASU86PE

Video! I need video! Pleeeze say there's video!

Guess what? I have good news for you!

566 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:13pm

re: #341 zoidberg

I think we have a catch phrase here!

567 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:41pm

re: #405 NelsFree

When I was a teenager, about 16, I associated with a straight guy who had gay friends. Two of them visited his house one day while I was there. One of them took me aside and said, (based on nothing I had done) that I would enjoy homosexual acts, and it was his opinion that I was really gay inside. I was sure enough of myself to say that he was very wrong, and I promptly left.
I would not allow gays to influence my children. I do not believe gays should be allowed to get married. I would not support legislation allowing gay marriage.

Women and teenaged girls deal with creepy advances like that from men all the time. I don't any more, because I'm married and middle-aged, but when I was young and single? Quite a few. I was very lucky that none of the guys who approached me like that refused to take no for an answer, and I'm really happy that the "date rape" drugs didn't exist back then.

But your story is not that big of a deal, at least from this hetero female's standpoint.

568 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:46pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel

Who decided that Joe the Plumber is a major conservative spokesman?

Truth is, the media did. He is a designated strawman, selected almost at random and cultivated in the belief, now realized, that he would eventually make a complete ass of himself.

He was embraces by the whole spectrum of the media. Fox News had him front and center whenever they could. Conservative talk show hosts lionized him. He expressed a gut sense that Obama was much more liberal than he was portraying himself to be, and for that he was helpful.

569 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:50pm

re: #561 NelsFree

I'll bet he was disappointed.

570 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:55pm

pittrader1988 writes:

I think that there is room for everyone if we follow the precepts of limited government, personal freedom, property rights, and equal opportunity for all. Create a vibrant economic environment where people have an opportunity to get ahead, and a lot of these social issues go away (like abortion)

This is disturbing, to me. You're saying that if only everybody had well-paying jobs, then women would no longer get pregnant by accident, and gays would no longer want to marry those they love? I don't see the logic, there.

Money doesn't buy happiness and it sure doesn't create equality and justice. To claim otherwise seems not quite intellectually honest, to me.

571 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:50:58pm

re: #560 Killian Bundy

/hard pressed to get one entry off a day, started on Chrysler but went with Rahm Emanuel's outrageousness for today

Yeah, work's kept me busy this evening, doubt I'll get a post in today. But hey, I did figure out how to get photos onto my ipod while trying to help Zombie.

572 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:51:29pm

re: #525 Killian Bundy

I think you have me all wrong. I'm not self-flagellating, I'm the enemy.

573 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:51:30pm

re: #561 NelsFree

Looking back on the incident, I believe the gay person felt I was impressionable and could be convinced to try gay acts with him. I was not, and did not.
Men who predate on women are still heterosexual. I do not wish for this conversation to go too far afield so I will not comment further.
I am confident in my masculinity and would not hurt my Wife. My son understands what homosexuality is about and rejects it. I love my family and do my best each day to honor and protect them. We should all do our best for our families. Thank the Founding Fathers for creating a system of government that understands we have the freedom to raise our families as we see fit. Government does not grant us any freedoms, we already have them!

I smell a homophobe, IMHO.

574 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:51:50pm

also--mikedad and i have decided to go ahead with our celebratory trip to cancun-we booked it 2 days before this whole thing broke--it seems to be winding down--we leave on the 17th--media hype-bah

575 Lynn B.  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:06pm

re: #557 acacia

Couldn't agree more. As far as Joe goes - he's not articulate but so what he's a guy who never asked to be in the limelight. He is who he is. His heart is in the right place. He is not a leader of the GOP anymore than Barbra is a leader of the Dems.

Agree with what?

That's not even remotely consistent with what Shar said.

576 Afton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:07pm

re: #542 Gus 802

Well, the fact remains. Joe Wurzelbacher opened his mouth and it will only hurt the GOP as he will continue to hurt the GOP in the months to come. That will be until someone opens their eyes and realizes the liability that he will become. He was working during the campaign and he was invited to CPAC. I do not care about what Keith Olbermann represents. Having some yokel like Mr. Wurzelbacher will only do more harm then good. This is not a question about the MSM.

You're right, of course. I wish Joe the Plumber had stayed inside of his house that day Obama came walking through the neighborhood. That way, some of us might even be surprised that Obama wants to "spread the wealth" - if only we could find a conservative citizen to speak out for the Right in the same civil and pure way as Janine Garafalo (sp?).

577 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:15pm

re: #538 Million Dollar Man

Fucker
Only
Rolls
Downhill

ha, ha, ha

keep buying those Japanese cars, guys, and keep slamming on the only US automaker that's in decent financial shape

and Consumer Reports says Fords are high quality vehicles just like Toyotas any more

578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:28pm

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

My mountains have history. Your's. Tall bumps.

Shaquille O'Neal'll be 6 feet tall eventually.

Bite me!

Love ya! Mean it!

579 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:46pm

re: #551 Afton

Did I say anything about ignoring the left and their transgressions? NO, I said it's stupid to try to change the topic when a Republican is in the wrong. Fess up, move on.

Now please quit trying to stuff words in my mouth or read things in that aren't there.

580 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:49pm

re: #574 mikeymom

also--mikedad and i have decided to go ahead with our celebratory trip to cancun-we booked it 2 days before this whole thing broke--it seems to be winding down--we leave on the 17th--media hype-bah

We'll look for you on the news......just kidding....looks like it's getting better down there. Enjoy yourself, Cancun is AWESOME!

581 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:52:51pm

re: #518 Million Dollar Man

Gays in America: `They're here, they're queer, and they're trying to recruit your kids!'

/sarc


Dear MDM,
Considering that I experienced first-hand a gay person trying to recruit me while an adolescent, I feel the "/sarc" tag inappropriate in your post.

582 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:53:04pm

re: #542 Gus 802

Well, the fact remains. Joe Wurzelbacher opened his mouth and it will only hurt the GOP as he will continue to hurt the GOP in the months to come.

/only if the GOP dwells on him, exactly who does he represent?

583 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:53:24pm

re: #574 mikeymom

also--mikedad and i have decided to go ahead with our celebratory trip to cancun-we booked it 2 days before this whole thing broke--it seems to be winding down--we leave on the 17th--media hype-bah

LOL... my eyes must be getting tired, I thought you wrote "celibacy" trip...

584 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:53:42pm

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

The feds are trying to steal more of our water again. I wish you knew what the bill was or more detail.

this was a dem sponsered thing--would you sign it?

585 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:53:55pm

re: #577 funky chicken

ha, ha, ha

keep buying those Japanese cars, guys, and keep slamming on the only US automaker that's in decent financial shape

and Consumer Reports says Fords are high quality vehicles just like Toyotas any more

I saw the Consumer reports guy on FNC the other day. Maybe we saw the same segment.
He Praised Ford.

Didn't recommend a single Chrysler car at any price!
I thought that was pretty damning.

586 astronmr20  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:54:06pm

Late to the thread.

I called this months ago, explaining how this was a STUPID, attention-whoring move for Pajamas Media to hire this guy.

...and now I say it again.

587 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:54:07pm

re: #577 funky chicken

ha, ha, ha

keep buying those Japanese cars, guys, and keep slamming on the only US automaker that's in decent financial shape

and Consumer Reports says Fords are high quality vehicles just like Toyotas any more

I have two Ford Vans, they are both over 250,000 miles. Tough vehicles. The Nissan Pick up has 300,000, but it's starting to show it's age.

588 Euler  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:54:27pm

re: #107 Jim in Virginia

Sharmuta, I was hearing this "America is a Christian nation" stuff thirty years ago, and I'm sure it predates the 70s. I don't know if it is a Bircher thing or a product of the anti communist hysteria in the 50s. As I recall we added "In God we trust " to our coins in the 50s.

Actually, the motive was more anti-confederate than anti-communist, at least in the beginning. It was in November, 1861, the very month Julia Ward Howe wrote The Battle Hymn of the Repubic, (to my ear, the most stirring expression, ever, of the Christian spirit in national affairs), that Lincoln's treasury secretary, Salmon P. Chase, acting on appeals from Christian abolitionists, set the bureaucracy in motion, which resulted, after some acts of Congress, in the first coins bearing the motto to be minted in 1866.

589 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:54:28pm
590 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:55:16pm

re: #567 funky chicken

Dear Ms. FC,

You never did answer my question in a previous thread about why you appear to dislike Miss California for speaking her mind.

591 astronmr20  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:55:40pm

In continuation, this sort of shit is ultimately going to hurt even the media coverage of the Israeli- Pali conflict that Joe "covered," even though the topic is un-related.

Again, I say nice going, PJM. Think next time.

592 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:55:51pm

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

You don't have mountains, they look like tits on Paris Hilton.


14,000 updings! (its a co thing)

593 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:56:07pm

re: #559 Macker

You really do need to get an avatar from "The Race"...

I'm happy with Darth Tater for now, but I'll consider it if a good enough illustration comes along. Actually, a "Race" plush toy would be ideal.

594 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:56:25pm

re: #584 mikeymom

this was a dem sponsered thing--would you sign it?

No, no, I'm thinking that hidden in the bill was probably some stuff about OUR water, Colorado water, the river, you know. The Feds are always trying to come up with schemes to get more of it from us.

I worry about any water bills, especially when they are going door to door in Colorado.

595 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:56:46pm

OT:

I want to give props to my wife.
She was given the "citizen" award tonight by our city council.

A few months ago she spotted a little boy who was lost, ( he lives 10 miles from where he was wandering around ) and she took him to the police station.
Our local PD and the surrounding PD's ( including a chopper) had been looking for him for hours.

I don't think I would have had the intuition to stop and ask him if he was OK or not, but she did and I am very proud of her

596 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:57:12pm

re: #583 Walter L. Newton

LOL... my eyes must be getting tired, I thought you wrote "celibacy" trip...

well, after 42 yrs of marriage--same thing-lol

597 JohnAdams  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:57:16pm

re: #585 Shug

I saw the Consumer reports guy on FNC the other day. Maybe we saw the same segment.
He Praised Ford.

Didn't recommend a single Chrysler car at any price!
I thought that was pretty damning.

Jeeps are like a religion to many people. That's a great brand.

598 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:57:18pm

re: #589 Catttt

I'm 36 per cent Homohobic.

599 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:57:21pm

re: #595 Shug

Mrs Shug rocks!

600 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:57:21pm

re: #381 MandyManners

All too true.

601 astronmr20  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:57:24pm

re: #595 Shug

Awesome!

602 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:58:44pm

re: #581 NelsFree

Dear MDM,
Considering that I experienced first-hand a gay person trying to recruit me while an adolescent, I feel the "/sarc" tag inappropriate in your post.

You act like "recruiting" would work on straight kid without a predisposition to be gay ?

603 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:58:54pm

re: #581 NelsFree

Dear MDM,
Considering that I experienced first-hand a gay person trying to recruit me while an adolescent, I feel the "/sarc" tag inappropriate in your post.

Why use the term "recruit"? Is there some sort of gay army that intends to take over the country?

604 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:05pm

re: #595 Shug

I think a story like that is never OT.

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:14pm

re: #595 Shug

Super-ding!

606 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:33pm

re: #595 Shug

Please give your wife 1,000 updings from all of us here!

607 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:33pm

re: #582 Killian Bundy

/only if the GOP dwells on him, exactly who does he represent?

Well, if you read what Charles put up in the article we will find he was asked the following:

In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?

Why does conservatism appeal to you as a Christian?

Does the Republican Party reach out to evangelicals enough?

Emphasis mine. Apparently we can see that Joe W. is considered a worthy source informations on the following issues considering the questions:

1. State law regarding same-sex marriage.
2. Conservatism and Christianity.
3. Republican Party issues with evangelicals.

Apparently he represents all three groups: state, conservatism, and the Republican Party. If not why would they have asked him those questions.

608 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:38pm

re: #561 NelsFree

Looking back on the incident, I believe the gay person felt I was impressionable and could be convinced to try gay acts with him. I was not, and did not.
Men who predate on women are still heterosexual. I do not wish for this conversation to go too far afield so I will not comment further.
I am confident in my masculinity and would not hurt my Wife. My son understands what homosexuality is about and rejects it. I love my family and do my best each day to honor and protect them. We should all do our best for our families. Thank the Founding Fathers for creating a system of government that understands we have the freedom to raise our families as we see fit. Government does not grant us any freedoms, we already have them!


You were being hit on, not "recruited". Really, I just don't see the view that someone is so impressionable that they can be seduced into being attracted to someone of the same sex. Where are all these people who were tricked into being gay?

609 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:43pm

re: #588 Euler

I didn't know that - thanks.

Here is an 1870 two-cent piece with it.

610 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 8:59:46pm

re: #595 Shug
amazing--she saved a life possibly! hugs and kudos to her!

OT:

I want to give props to my wife.
She was given the "citizen" award tonight by our city council.

A few months ago she spotted a little boy who was lost, ( he lives 10 miles from where he was wandering around ) and she took him to the police station.
Our local PD and the surrounding PD's ( including a chopper) had been looking for him for hours.

I don't think I would have had the intuition to stop and ask him if he was OK or not, but she did and I am very proud of her

611 JohnAdams  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:00:04pm

re: #594 Walter L. Newton

No, no, I'm thinking that hidden in the bill was probably some stuff about OUR water, Colorado water, the river, you know. The Feds are always trying to come up with schemes to get more of it from us.

I worry about any water bills, especially when they are going door to door in Colorado.

Even our dimwit governors up here in the Midwest have taken steps to protect Great Lakes waters. We've got people moving to Arizona and NC in droves and I tell them, "You can have our water if you'll send us 300 warm sunny days."

612 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:00:20pm

re: #602 avanti

You act like "recruiting"i would work on straight kid without a predisposition to be gay ?

It's really a matter of getting a tough gay drill sergeant to beat them into shape. Once they go through basic queer training they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

613 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:00:58pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

The Constitution was based off Enlightenment principles, and Greco-Roman traditions. Democracies and Republics pre-date the Christian faith.

Sharmuta -

Would he hadn't said it publicly even if he believes it privately. My ENEMY is NOT the Gay Couple living two blocks over.
That couple may be my Political Opponents, I do NOT believe that their relationship constitutes "marriage" as I understand it - AND - generally they do not want to lop my head off. They might just be POLITICALLY if not SEXUALLY - Educable.
The folks that would like to lop my Head Off ARE my ENEMY!

-S-

614 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:13pm

re: #589 Catttt

Test: Are you homophobic?

I'm 11% Homophobic

whatever that means

615 MrZee  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:14pm

Charles it's time for connected American bloggers to create a third way in the political stream. An economically conservative (or free market capitalist), but socially liberal, anti church & state, anti totalitarian party. There are many of you out there & many of us who are not American who wish you could organise yourselves. Forget PJTV we want Pajamas Political Party!

616 ASU86PE  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:17pm

re: #565 gmscYOU ROCK!

I enjoyed the screw ups. It does beg the question,"If this is our President and his lack of knowledge on display, why is this thread SO concerned over one voter's terms?

Just Askin'

617 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:34pm

Well, to bed soon. I have a test tomorrow, echocardiogram, hope I pass, last time they couldn't even find my heart. Just a routine test, their not really looking for anything. I have SVT (supraventricular tachycardia, rapid heart beat, not life threatening ) occasionally and they like to keep abreast of the way my ticker is ticking.

618 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:34pm

re: #603 Million Dollar Man

Why use the term "recruit"? Is there some sort of gay army that intends to take over the country?

That reminds me of the rumor in my home town that the Catholics were hiding weapons in the basement of the church, which has no basement, waiting for the high sign from the Pope. Not making it up.

619 ASU86PE  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:34pm

On to 24

620 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:46pm

re: #595 Shug

OT:

I want to give props to my wife.
She was given the "citizen" award tonight by our city council.

A few months ago she spotted a little boy who was lost, ( he lives 10 miles from where he was wandering around ) and she took him to the police station.
Our local PD and the surrounding PD's ( including a chopper) had been looking for him for hours.

I don't think I would have had the intuition to stop and ask him if he was OK or not, but she did and I am very proud of her

You should be. Awesome !

Not quit peeing on the seat, it's the least you can do for her.

/

621 artdog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:52pm

re: #478 BryanS

Exactly! The issue is completely upside down. It's not "for gay marriage" as much as: Government (fed, state and local) out of everybody's bedroom!

(Sure, if government didn't give the seal of approval to man-woman marriage, you'd have to sort out tax issues, and watch out for polygamist child-abuse situations. But STILL....)

622 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:01:54pm

re: #614 Shug

I'm 11% Homophobic

whatever that means

I'm zero percent homophobic, whatever that means. :D

623 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:02:04pm

I don't speak much nowadays, but I'd like to think that when I do say something, it's worth saying.

Where the religiously conservative and the religiously not-so-conservative fail to get along is when one or the other is failing at actually being conservative, then asks the other guys to go march into the cannonade.

When it comes to sexuality or my lifestyle or yours, I say if you want the government to have an opinion on it, you can read its entrails. What is important is whether something can or should be done within the framework of a limited government as set forth in the Constitution. Start deviating from this principle, either in the direction of pity for some allegedly dispossessed group or in the direction of the teachings of one particular religious sect, and you are crossing the line.

Many of the folks who were cheering Spector's exit from the GOP would kiss Janeane Garofalo for tickets to a debate between 0bama and Rudy Guiliani. Spector failed at economic conservatism and working with the current legislative strategery of the GOP. Guiliani merely fails to ride some hobby horses of other factions within the GOP, but has otherwise conducted himself in accordance with conservative principles. Many of the folks going, "oh HUCK NO!" in 2008 are often quite fine with Sarah Palin. Huckabee is a progressivist who says Jesus a lot, as borne out by his record in Arkansas. Palin has governed Alaska much more in accordance with conservative principles.

There is common ground between social conservatives and social moderates. The GOP would do well to find it.

624 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:02:25pm

re: #582 Killian Bundy

/only if the GOP dwells on him, exactly who does he represent?

If you roll with the MSM, and most do, then he represents you, me and everyone else that is not a lib. Unfortunately.
Joe + a lot of other new found Loonacons are making life tough on normal these days.

625 NelsFree  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:02:29pm

Folks,
I feel that the multiple topics in this thread are wearing me down. That, and it's Midnight on the East Coast. Thank you all for an interesting exchange of views. I hope to have more factual posts in the future that can contribute to the edification of the Lizards at Large. I respect your right to hold differing opinions (even if I think some them are, well...y'know). Who knows, some of life's persistent questions may be answered here yet!

Good night.

626 gmsc  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:02:30pm

re: #195 MandyManners

What are you?

Hat-tip: Charles.

(I foresee myself using this a lot.)

What am I? A photosensitive epileptic.

You're going to be using that a lot? I'll just avoid clicking your links altogether from now on, since you don't give any sort of warning.

(Link intentionally removed from quoted message.)

627 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:02:34pm

By the way, the majority of Americans, including TOTUS, don't support gay "marriage".

/right or wrong, it's a fact

628 Lynn B.  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:02:43pm

re: #581 NelsFree

Dear MDM,
Considering that I experienced first-hand a gay person trying to recruit me while an adolescent, I feel the "/sarc" tag inappropriate in your post.

Dear NelsFree,

Considering that I was once mugged by a black/hispanic/gay/Hindu/atheist person on a dark city street, I feel that it's inappropriate to minimize the threat that THOSE PEOPLE pose to our society.
/// surely you must jest.

629 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:03:02pm

re: #620 SasquatchOnSteroids

PIMF Now, not NOT. Dipshit.

630 Irenicum  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:03:18pm

re: #429 ArmyWife

Thanks for the reminder!

631 realwest  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:03:28pm

Hey y'all - sorry I'm so late to this thread. I know that someone has probably asked this more than a few times, but what's with Joe The Plumber suddenly representing anything other than himself?
I'm probably missing something (senior moments do seem to come more frequently these days!) but iirc he was just a straight forward (no pun intended) voter who asked Obama an inconvenient question. And instead of pursuing Obama for an answer to a legitimate question, the MSM (and some governmental officials) started ripping Joe's life apart in public and in print and on TV.
He has never spoken for me and I don't recall anyone anointing him to speak for the GOP.
And hell, I can find hundreds of leftists who are just as "off center" as Joe the Plumber - so other than curiosity, why are we giving him so many comments?

632 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:03:50pm

re: #614 Shug

I'm 11% Homophobic

whatever that means

Well, I was 0% homophobic and I got an email from an interested person.

633 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:04:00pm

Aaaand that's the right wing for ya.

/how you guys doing this high-noon?

634 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:04:14pm

re: #581 NelsFree

Dear MDM,
Considering that I experienced first-hand a gay person trying to recruit me while an adolescent, I feel the "/sarc" tag inappropriate in your post.

I think it is possible that you fear gay people. It is not rational, I think, to fear that they can "recruit" straight people. Think about yourself and anyone else you know. Could you or they be convinced to be gay?

635 HopsHunter  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:04:32pm

re: #107 Jim in Virginia

Sharmuta, I was hearing this "America is a Christian nation" stuff thirty years ago, and I'm sure it predates the 70s. I don't know if it is a Bircher thing or a product of the anti communist hysteria in the 50s. As I recall we added "In God we trust " to our coins in the 50s.

I know that this is gonna end up waayyy down at the bottom of the comment thread (I just can't keep up with you guys), but the '50s is when "under God" was added to the pledge as well. Definitely a Cold War reaction to the "Godless" communists.

636 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:04:35pm

re: #594 Walter L. Newton

No, no, I'm thinking that hidden in the bill was probably some stuff about OUR water, Colorado water, the river, you know. The Feds are always trying to come up with schemes to get more of it from us.

I worry about any water bills, especially when they are going door to door in Colorado.

You mean that sludge coming out of my tap here in Phoenix? No Colorado River? The it's no Arizona, no Nevada, no California in the current configuration. Hard to believe that little river is so powerful. I used to go fishing up at the headwaters of that river, you can jump over it up there near Granby.

637 pygmalienation  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:04:38pm

Sorry if this has been said already, but...
sigh... Joe, Joe, Joe... I'm afraid your 15 minutes is up-- Way up.

638 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:05:09pm

Every plumber knows you need a male and female thread to make a union.

And there's always a nipple that's just the right size.

639 astronmr20  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:05:19pm

re: #631 realwest

Hey y'all - sorry I'm so late to this thread. I know that someone has probably asked this more than a few times, but what's with Joe The Plumber suddenly representing anything other than himself?
I'm probably missing something (senior moments do seem to come more frequently these days!) but iirc he was just a straight forward (no pun intended) voter who asked Obama an inconvenient question. And instead of pursuing Obama for an answer to a legitimate question, the MSM (and some governmental officials) started ripping Joe's life apart in public and in print and on TV.
He has never spoken for me and I don't recall anyone anointing him to speak for the GOP.
And hell, I can find hundreds of leftists who are just as "off center" as Joe the Plumber - so other than curiosity, why are we giving him so many comments?


Um... realwest... he went on tour with John McCain.

..and Pajamas Media hired him to cover the M.E. conflict.

640 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:05:19pm

re: #612 Million Dollar Man

It's really a matter of getting a tough gay drill sergeant to beat them into shape. Once they go through basic queer training they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

I had a queer friend in high school. (that's what they were called in the 60's) His parents sent him to a shrink to be "cured", which did not work. He asked me how hard it would be for me to be "cured" if it meant I had to become gay, and that impressed me.

641 hazzyday  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:05:26pm

Joe the Plumber -- not politically correct -- I think that is why he was hired. And he probably is representative of a good chunk of the working class. His role will give him some exposure to people. We'll see if any of that changes his vocabulary.

642 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:06:02pm

I think gays should be allowed to recruit, as long as they are transparent about it and do it lawfully.

There's no reason why they can't set up recruitment centers where people can sign up. But actively recruiting in the community is a bit of a stretch.

643 acwgusa  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:06:15pm

Sung to the tune of Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone?

Oh where, oh where has my party's sanity gone?
Oh where, oh where can it be?
With our freedom cut short and our taxes cut long.
Oh where, oh where can it be?

644 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:06:38pm

re: #561 NelsFree

NelsFree -

"By Jove" - I think you've got it - Inalienable Rights, Bestowed by a Creator, Pre-Existing the Creation of the State. Sounds Like A Constitution to Me.

-S-

645 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:06:49pm

re: #642 Million Dollar Man

I think gays should be allowed to recruit, as long as they are transparent about it and do it lawfully.

There's no reason why they can't set up recruitment centers where people can sign up. But actively recruiting in the community is a bit of a stretch.

But, the question is, will the Marines come and picket out front and make them close down their recruitment center?

646 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:06:51pm

re: #642 Million Dollar Man

I think gays should be allowed to recruit, as long as they are transparent about it and do it lawfully.

Recruit for what?

647 funky chicken  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:06:58pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

None of this is surprising to me anymore. There have always been elements of homophobia, racism, religious supremacism, etc. on the right. Joe the Plumber was always an idiot. I know a lot of lizards love Sarah Palin but she's not much better.

And if Sarah Palin comes out with a statement that she enjoyed meeting Mr. Joe and appreciated his contribution on the campaign but absolutely disagrees with this statement about homosexuals, will you change your mind about her, or give her credit for doing so?

648 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:07:06pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newtonprayers to you--let us know, please?

Well, to bed soon. I have a test tomorrow, echocardiogram, hope I pass, last time they couldn't even find my heart. Just a routine test, their not really looking for anything. I have SVT (supraventricular tachycardia, rapid heart beat, not life threatening ) occasionally and they like to keep abreast of the way my ticker is ticking.

649 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:07:10pm

re: #641 hazzyday

Joe the Plumber -- not politically correct -- I think that is why he was hired. And he probably is representative of a good chunk of the working class. His role will give him some exposure to people. We'll see if any of that changes his vocabulary.

I don't want him to have any more exposure than he's had. Go away Joe, your time is up.

650 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:08:01pm

re: #642 Million Dollar Man

I think gays should be allowed to recruit, as long as they are transparent about it and do it lawfully.

There's no reason why they can't set up recruitment centers where people can sign up. But actively recruiting in the community is a bit of a stretch.

You must read a lot of comic books.

651 astronmr20  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:08:39pm

re: #641 hazzyday

Joe the Plumber -- not politically correct -- I think that is why he was hired. And he probably is representative of a good chunk of the working class. His role will give him some exposure to people. We'll see if any of that changes his vocabulary.

NO. Let's not give the left any more ammunition instead, okay?


Sheesh.. people look at Joe like he's Christ for his persecution after Obama met him on his lawn. He's a regular guy; sure, but this patriotic crying of "we are all Joe the Plumber" was going to backfire eventually.

Although conservative, and although he presented a fine juxtaposition after his exchange with Obama was caught on camera, it should have STOPPED AT THAT.

652 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:09:10pm

re: #646 Mich-again

Recruit for what?

Depends on what their manpower needs are. There's also the al-volunteer units, though, which need little advertising. I've heard of several secret elite gay units where the selection procedure is quite rigorous. Those outfits only take the hardcore queers who have tremendous powers of endurance and the highest motivation to serve.

653 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:09:40pm

re: #613 Dr. Shalit

Indeed.

He has a right to his opinion, he has a right to voice it, but just like with the Dixie Chicks, I have a right to disagree and shun him. There will be some who agree completely with Joe, and will defend these comments, but it reflects more on them for supporting this reeking pile than it does on those who think 'live and let live'.

654 irongrampa  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:09:42pm

re: #394 talon_262


Boone's Farm is for when Thunderbird's unavailable.

655 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:09:59pm

re: #652 Million Dollar Man

Depends on what their manpower needs are. There's also the al-volunteer units, though, which need little advertising. I've heard of several secret elite gay units where the selection procedure is quite rigorous. Those outfits only take the hardcore queers who have tremendous powers of endurance and the highest motivation to serve.

Like the Up Your Alley fair?

656 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:10:00pm

re: #546 re: #631 realwest

He represented someone other than himself once the Republican nominee for the President of the United States chose to make him a major piece of the latter part of his campaign. Also after Sarah Palin stated his name numerous numerous times, and not just in the context of the original question to Obama. Also after appearing on Fox news and being heavily pushed by that PJTV.

657 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:10:08pm

re: #607 Gus 802

Apparently he represents all three groups: state, conservatism, and the Republican Party. If not why would they have asked him those questions.

Oh, I don't know, because it was a Christian newspaper and evangelicals love the homosexual but frown on homosexuality?

/registering as a Republican, if he even is, makes him a national spokesman for the GOP?

658 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:10:13pm

re: #622 Catttt

I'm zero percent homophobic, whatever that means. :D

And I'm 58%.

659 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:10:19pm

Dianna misses all of you guys. She wanted me to share that.

660 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:10:21pm

re: #627 Killian Bundy

By the way, the majority of Americans, including TOTUS, don't support gay "marriage".

/right or wrong, it's a fact

True, but the bar is moving. Just recently polling moved slightly in favor of civil unions, and gay marriage is favored by under 25 youth.
By 2012, 2016 it may not be as big a deal, with maybe a dozen states already on board.

661 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:10:58pm

re: #651 astronmr20

it should have STOPPED AT THAT.

True. He was just a modern day Navin Johnson from a random page in the new phone book.

662 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:11:08pm

re: #621 artdog

Exactly! The issue is completely upside down. It's not "for gay marriage" as much as: Government (fed, state and local) out of everybody's bedroom!

(Sure, if government didn't give the seal of approval to man-woman marriage, you'd have to sort out tax issues, and watch out for polygamist child-abuse situations. But STILL....)

I wish there were such a thing as an economically conservative, socially liberal party in the US. Unfortunately, the Libertarian party is too extreme in their views to be mainstream. Why can't there be a political party that matches where most American sentiments lay?

663 jcm  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:11:08pm

Kids woke up.....
Later....

664 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:11:28pm

re: #652 Million Dollar Man

WTF are you talking about?

665 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:11:30pm

re: #660 avanti

True, but the bar is moving. Just recently polling moved slightly in favor of civil unions, and gay marriage is favored by under 25 youth.
By 2012, 2016 it may not be as big a deal, with maybe a dozen states already on board.

By court order? or popular vote? legislation?

666 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:11:32pm

re: #648 mikeymom

prayers to you--let us know, please?

Thanks, like I say, it's not life threatening, only happens once in a blue moon, then it's feels scary, like a cardio session on steroids. Last time it happened, last Aug. my heart rate went up to 180 beats a minute.

I take a drug that helps keep it from happening. You don't even have to take the drugs if you don't want to, but I'd rather not put up with the rapid heart rate.

There is even physical ways to stop it, such as holding your breath and squeezing or squatting down and pushing. Interrupts the electrical pluses to the heart for a second.

667 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:11:33pm

re: #660 avanti

True, but the bar is moving. Just recently polling moved slightly in favor of civil unions, and gay marriage is favored by under 25 youth.
By 2012, 2016 it may not be as big a deal, with maybe a dozen states already on board.

It's an issue of minority rights in any case. Gays are what, 10 percent of the population?

668 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:02pm

re: #659 Sharmuta

Dianna misses all of you guys. She wanted me to share that.

Did I miss something? Is Dianna ok?

669 Iron Fist  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:06pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

The Constitution was based off Enlightenment principles, and Greco-Roman traditions. Democracies and Republics pre-date the Christian faith.

The Constitution was written because of enlightenment principles, but these principles weren't atheist. A Creator God was the source of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. They were written down like they were because the founders followed the Social Contract doctrine; essentially that a compact is made among men to have a city, State, or Nation. Locke even went so far as to say that the people had the right (duty, even) to overthrow the government that has overstepped its bounds as they were deliniated when the Contract was formed.

Locke would probably not be pleased at all with the state of the American Government. Revolution would be the path to prepare for. Or he might just wash his hands of us because we've let the Government overstep its bounds so much that you can't reverse the trend towards Authoratarianism. Now that is a scary thought.

670 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:08pm

re: #646 Mich-again

Recruit for what?

"They want you!
They want you!
They want you as a gay recruit!"

/Village_People

671 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:11pm

re: #645 Desert Dog

But, the question is, will the Marines come and picket out front and make them close down their recruitment center?

They'd better have one hell of a enlistment bonus to get the hetro's to sign up to switch.

672 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:14pm

re: #636 Desert Dog

Hard to believe that little river is so powerful.

And it carved that GandGully, all in less than 5000 years!

673 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:21pm

re: #662 BryanS

I wish there were such a thing as an economically conservative, socially liberal party in the US. Unfortunately, the Libertarian party is too extreme in their views to be mainstream. Why can't there be a political party that matches where most American sentiments lay?

The Democrats?

Or at least the (Bill) Clinton-era ones.

674 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #664 Mich-again

WTF are you talking about?

I'll second that.

675 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:42pm

re: #664 Mich-again

WTF are you talking about?

Sorry, I know I shouldn't have mentioned those units for security reasons. But the actual names are still secret.

676 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:12:47pm

re: #654 irongrampa

Boone's Farm is for when Thunderbird's unavailable.

irongrampa -

"T-Bird" is for when you can't get Cisco or Richard's Wild Irish Rose.

-S-

677 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:14pm

re: #657 Killian Bundy

Oh, I don't know, because it was a Christian newspaper and evangelicals love the homosexual but frown on homosexuality?

/registering as a Republican, if he even is, makes him a national spokesman for the GOP?

OK, I'll grant you this. I'm not saying he's a full fledged rep. Otherwise, let's agree to disagree.

678 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:15pm

re: #660 avanti

True, but the bar is moving. Just recently polling moved slightly in favor of civil unions, and gay marriage is favored by under 25 youth.
By 2012, 2016 it may not be as big a deal, with maybe a dozen states already on board.

/two different concepts, who's not in favor of civil unions, as long as it's not multiple partners or inter-species?

679 Lynn B.  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:17pm

re: #634 BryanS

I think it is possible that you fear gay people. It is not rational, I think, to fear that they can "recruit" straight people. Think about yourself and anyone else you know. Could you or they be convinced to be gay?

Good point.

And by the same token, it is not rational, I think, to fear/hope/aspire that you can "recruit" gay people to be straight. For the same exact reason. Could you (a straight person) be convinced to be gay? Could you (a gay person) be convinced to be straight?

It doesn't work that way. And yet, in one direction we (some of us) call it a threat and in the other we (others of us) call it a virtue.

As long as there's no coercion or exploitation involved, between consenting adults, the conservative position should be to find something else to focus on.

680 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:19pm

re: #665 Desert Dog

By court order? or popular vote? legislation?

Yes, a little of each.

681 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:44pm

re: #664 Mich-again

WTF are you talking about?

I'm a bit confused myself.

"Aren't you a little light in the loafers for a stormtrooper ?"

WTF.

682 Racer X  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:45pm

Answer: Liketolikapus

Question: What is a gay dinosaur?

683 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:50pm

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

i know what you are referring to--good luck guy.

684 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:13:59pm

re: #675 Million Dollar Man

Sorry, I know I shouldn't have mentioned those units for security reasons. But the actual names are still secret.

Riiiight.

685 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:14:12pm
Alan Colmes says:

Who on the right, in addition to Meghan McCain, will stand up and say this guy doesn't speak for them.

Not for nothing have I been calling Colmes "Skeletor von Strawman" for a couple of years now.
He is making the allegation, let him support it. The "right" does not have the burden of proving him wrong. That is not how logic works.

686 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:14:13pm

re: #675 Million Dollar Man

Sorry, I know I shouldn't have mentioned those units for security reasons. But the actual names are still secret.

Are you Sean Hannity?

687 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:14:17pm

re: #671 avanti

They'd better have one hell of a enlistment bonus to get the hetro's to sign up to switch.

That's probably the biggest obstacle to gay recruitment. Heteros usually are very prickly about joining a gay army and have to be given a major benefits package.

688 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:14:32pm

re: #667 Million Dollar Man

It's an issue of minority rights in any case. Gays are what, 10 percent of the population?

What Percentage of the Population is Gay?

689 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:14:36pm

re: #664 Mich-again

WTF are you talking about?

Step away from the computer.

690 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:15:06pm

re: #689 Walter L. Newton

Step away from the computer.

Step away from the crack pipe.

691 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:15:17pm

re: #678 Killian Bundy

/two different concepts, who's not in favor of civil unions, as long as it's not multiple partners or inter-species?

Lots of social conservatives are against civil unions.

692 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:15:30pm

re: #661 Mich-again

True. He was just a modern day Navin Johnson from a random page in the new phone book.

I think you've found your special purpose!

693 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:15:33pm

re: #660 avanti

Who gives a shit about the under 25 opinion. They voted for Obama and they didn't know why.

694 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:15:59pm

re: #691 avanti

Lots of social conservatives are against civil unions.

/too late

695 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:16:11pm

re: #688 Desert Dog

What Percentage of the Population is Gay?

Hmm.. didn't realize that. I never looked at the stats, though.

696 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:16:28pm

re: #693 BatGuano

I voted for McCain, and I knew why.

/doesn't mean I don't regret it.

697 mikeymom  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:16:57pm

night all--and--million dollar dude is pulling your------leg--

698 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:16:58pm

re: #691 avanti

Lots of social conservatives are against civil unions.

Lots of Democrats are too....even your fearless leader is against gay marriage. Perhaps Olbermann will mock him tomorrow for that daring policy position?

699 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:16:59pm

re: #667 Million Dollar Man

10 per cent is what they want you to believe.

700 Mich-again  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:17:09pm

Most married couples wish they had a civil union.

701 realwest  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:17:19pm

re: #623 RememberSekhmet? Very thoughtful comment. But when you say social conservatives these days, you really have to spell out what you mean, for too many people think that SoCons = the Religious Right or folks who want to teach ID in the public schools and the like.
You said "The GOP would do well to find it.", referring to common ground between SoCons and
Social moderates in the GOP. But the problem is that most honest to God Republicans don't want to interfere with other peoples lives, including sexuality (except in the case of minors or handicapped folks and those who's idea of sex is killing someone at the "appropriate time"). The reality is, it seems to me, that the damn government (all of it, Fed and State) are too big, too many people in government positions (and I include the MSM here if we're talking about Democrats in Government) are too involved in our daily lives. Damn it I want the government out of our lives except to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic and to provide for the common good - and the common good includes some Federal Agencies like the CDC, and - because it's been around for SO LONG, social security and Medicare. But they have no right to mess around with individual freedom of speech - not even "hate speech" (unless said hate speech tries to get someone(s) killed or have violence visited on them). If we could turn down - not off - the money spigot in Washington and in the States, we would have less governmental interference in our daily lives.
And we'd have to start to take responsibility for our own actions or omissions. And frankly, I think that the last thing I mentioned - individual responsibility is what scares MANY people, left and right.
In short, I don't see common ground between GOP social moderates and GOP SoCons.

702 Conservative Moonbat  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:17:30pm

reclisted dailykos thread on this. They eat this crap up over there:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

703 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:17:39pm

re: #669 Iron Fist

The Founders followed the constrained vision- that man is flawed and that without restrictions, will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice. This went for society as well as the formation of our government. I agree that if they saw the amount of power the government wields now, they would faint. I still believe it to be correctable at this time, but only if we remain true to the vision our Founders adhered to.

[You might also enjoy A Conflict of Visions.]

704 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:17:59pm

re: #699 BatGuano

10 per cent is what they want you to believe.

I'm seeing black helicopters outside my window...

Or wait...on closer inspection, pink helicopters

705 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:18:14pm

re: #700 Mich-again

Most married couples wish they had a civil union.

Or a Pre-Nup....or, an alias and a new passport....or....nevermind

706 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:18:41pm

re: #704 Million Dollar Man

You've been drinking, then?

707 JohnAdams  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:19:02pm

re: #693 BatGuano

Who gives a shit about the under 25 opinion. They voted for Obama and they didn't know why.

I have several under 25 nieces and nephews, friends, etc who are intelligent kids, but HIGHLY indoctrinated and prone to immense peer pressure. The education system has fucked them all up, but I have great hope that a bit more time and experience will smarten them up quite a bit.

708 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:19:08pm

re: #705 Desert Dog

Or a Pre-Nup....or, an alias and a new passport....or....nevermind

100,000 dollars, a full tank of gas, and a pair of dark sunglass.

//Or something like that.

709 Altermite  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:19:17pm

re: #693 BatGuano

Who gives a shit about the under 25 opinion. They voted for Obama and they didn't know why.

Speaking as a member of that generation, the biggest reasons I heard were anti-creationism in schools, climate change, alt energy, and gay rights issues.

I mostly spent time in the biology department, though, so that may have skewed things a bit.

And demographically, the under-25 generation can be pretty important in attitudes like this, because they are usually the ones who have the most chances to vote ahead of them.

710 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:19:23pm

re: #673 laZardo

The Democrats?

Or at least the (Bill) Clinton-era ones.

Not really even the Bill Clinton era ones. Remember Hillary Care™

711 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:19:54pm

re: #687 Million Dollar Man

That's probably the biggest obstacle to gay recruitment. Heteros usually are very prickly about joining a gay army and have to be given a major benefits package.

I'm thinking a multimillion dollar package, some serious drugs and a weekend commitment might get a few. Sadly, not many would go for the 20 year retirement, just not enough money in the world to swing that.

712 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:20:13pm

re: #696 laZardo

The choices were Obama or McCain. If you regret voting for McCain then you must be happy with Obama?

713 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:20:14pm

Who on the left will stand up and declare that Oliver Stone, Whoopi Goldberg, and the Dixie Chicks do not speak for them?

714 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:20:37pm

re: #713 Shiplord Kirel

Who on the left will stand up and declare that Oliver Stone, Whoopi Goldberg, and the Dixie Chicks do not speak for them?

I think they do speak for them

715 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:20:43pm

re: #713 Shiplord Kirel

Who on the left will stand up and declare that Oliver Stone, Whoopi Goldberg, and the Dixie Chicks do not speak for them?

Just those crickets chirping.....

716 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:21:06pm

re: #713 Shiplord Kirel

Who on the left will stand up and declare that Oliver Stone, Whoopi Goldberg, and the Dixie Chicks do not speak for them?

Or Jeanine What's-her-face?

717 Dr. Shalit  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:21:07pm

re: #669 Iron Fist

Iron Fist -

The Rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are more or less Pre-Existing. Where the LEFT is correct is that the Constitution is a Document, Like the Ten Commandments, which limits, in this case the Federal Government.
Now all 'y'all know why they want to change it - "by any means necessary."

-S-

718 Simply Me  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:21:10pm

re: #477 idioma

In many ways, fear of gays has a stronger footing than fear of race.

Even when fear of the black man was all the rage, most everyone was not afraid that somehow a black man would turn their kids black too.

It's a long road ahead.

Actually, I think people were afraid that a black man could turn their grandchildren black, by having sex with their daughters. And black men can, as the children are called black if one parent is black.

With gays, I think people are afraid that they can prevent grandchildren at all. And a culture that promotes sexuality free from the responsibilities of parenthood does wind up with less children.

719 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:21:41pm

re: #706 Sharmuta

You've been drinking, then?

Yeah, I'm trying to soothe my frazzled nerves. I never realized the extent of the Worldwide Gay Gonspiracy to recruit me and my kids until now!

720 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:22:09pm

Must....not....link....YMCA video. Not even the one shot at a retirement center outing. Or the one from a Yankees game.

721 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:22:11pm

re: #716 Sharmuta

Or Jeanine What's-her-face?

The maven of crack-whore chic? Garish Fallow, I think.

722 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:22:19pm

re: #698 Desert Dog

Lots of Democrats are too....even your fearless leader is against gay marriage. Perhaps Olbermann will mock him tomorrow for that daring policy position?

I'm opposed to gay marriage too, but just because of the long history of the meaning of the term. Having said that, it's not a deal killer position either way for me in a candidate.

723 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:22:36pm

re: #704 Million Dollar Man

I wish I were important enough to warrant helicopters.

724 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:23:21pm

re: #713 Shiplord Kirel

I remember a Jimmy Carter thread on a political forum thread on the art site I post on. (Note that it was an art site, so you can accurately predict the "bias.") Many of them said he should just stick to his charity work.

/Popular misconception... Jimmy Carter does NOT run Habitat for Humanity, he's just its #1 endorser.

725 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:23:21pm

Seriously Sharmuta, relax.

Gays are not trying to "recruit" anyone.

726 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:23:24pm

re: #719 Million Dollar Man

You're new- so are you being facetious or what? A number of newbies can shoot themselves in the foot by assuming we'll immediately understand their sense of humor.

727 katemaclaren  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:23:50pm

re: #595 Shug

OT:

I want to give props to my wife.
She was given the "citizen" award tonight by our city council.

A few months ago she spotted a little boy who was lost, ( he lives 10 miles from where he was wandering around ) and she took him to the police station.
Our local PD and the surrounding PD's ( including a chopper) had been looking for him for hours.

I don't think I would have had the intuition to stop and ask him if he was OK or not, but she did and I am very proud of her

GOOD FOR HER! I saw a little lost boy the other day when I was whizzing by the Art Museum--and couldn't stop--but called 911--it was torture, but finally after a couple of minutes, I began to yell. THEN they sent someone. When you hear 911 calls --on TV, for example--sometimes you want to scream at the operator--for Christ's sake DO something!

728 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:24:03pm

re: #725 Million Dollar Man

No- quit assuming we get your jokes, newbie.

729 JohnAdams  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:24:35pm

Given that there are "civil unions" all over the place, what is the exception to gay marriage--other than purely philosophical, religious, or emotional?

730 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:24:37pm

re: #728 Sharmuta

No- quit assuming we get your jokes, newbie.

we got it. we just didn't laugh

731 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:24:39pm

re: #701 realwest

But the problem is that most honest to God Republicans don't want to interfere with other peoples lives, including sexuality (except in the case of minors or handicapped folks and those who's idea of sex is killing someone at the "appropriate time").

Says realwest....

However, the OK GOP platform says:

1. We oppose the promotion of homosexuality, the elimination of laws against sodomy, and the granting of minority protection or special status to any person based upon sexual preference or lifestyle choices.

732 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:25:12pm

re: #724 laZardo

/Popular misconception... Jimmy Carter does NOT run Habitat for Humanity Hamas, he's just its #1 endorser.

There, fixed that for ya!

733 DaMav  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:25:21pm

Fine, he's politically incorrect. Now how about the media busily scurrying about calling Miss California a B & a C because she has the same position on gay marriage as their beloved Obama.

I was pretty neutral on the issue but after what has been happening to anyone daring to challenge the orthodox liberal opinion on Prop 8, I would actively and gladly oppose gay marriage just to cut these hate filled obnoxious gay agenda people off at the knees until they learn some manners.

Oh and by the way CNN just released a poll showing Americans oppose gay marriage by ten points. So how exactly would opposition to gay marriage be hurting the Republicans again?

734 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:25:21pm

re: #678 Killian Bundy

/two different concepts, who's not in favor of civil unions, as long as it's not multiple partners or inter-species?

Interspecies? That depends. What about Klingons?

735 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:25:41pm

re: #728 Sharmuta

No- quit assuming we get your jokes, newbie.

All joking aside: gays are not the enemy and they're not trying to recruit your kids.

If you seriously believe they are, you are having paranoid delusions.

736 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:02pm

re: #710 BryanS

I was 7 when that all went down. All I heard is that it got shot down like Cheney's hunting buddy, for reasons I have yet to find out. Other than that, Clinton left in 2000-1 with a budget surplus.

re: #712 BatGuano

I'm content, that's for sure. It's nice to see that gay marriage is being legalized - and then the issue just finally fading away/put to rest after the "rush" - in their respective states (save for perhaps California.)

/forgot to mention, I'm 21.

737 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:06pm

re: #730 Shug

we got it. we just didn't laugh

It's why I always advice newbies to use sarc tags until we get to know them. Could have saved SpaceJesus a lot of bad karma.

738 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:10pm

re: #733 DaMav

Fine, he's politically incorrect. Now how about the media busily scurrying about calling Miss California a B & a C because she has the same position on gay marriage as their beloved Obama.

I was pretty neutral on the issue but after what has been happening to anyone daring to challenge the orthodox liberal opinion on Prop 8, I would actively and gladly oppose gay marriage just to cut these hate filled obnoxious gay agenda people off at the knees until they learn some manners.

Oh and by the way CNN just released a poll showing Americans oppose gay marriage by ten points. So how exactly would opposition to gay marriage be hurting the Republicans again?

Because MSNBC and CNN say so

739 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:12pm

NelsFree writes:

...My son understands what homosexuality is about and rejects it.

The way you phrase that blows my mind, NelsFree. It would be the same as me saying, "My son understands what barometric pressure is about, and he rejects it" or, "My daughter understands what blondness is about, and she accepts it."

It's impossible to "accept" or "reject" something that is a fact of life in the world. You can reject a person solely because they have that quality. It's called bigotry.

740 realwest  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:13pm

re: #639 astronmr20
and
re: #656 Flyers1974
You are both correct that McCain and the GOP tried to take advantage of Joe the Plumbers' experiences at having the audacity to ask candidate Obama a legitmate question. Joe took whatever he could out of this - remember some asshat in Ohio or Michigan Government went public with an inquiry about whether or not Joe had been paying his child support - took about four days before the news reported that the kid was living with Joe, he had custody. His life was ripped to shreds by the MSM and by the Democratic Party - so he got used by McCain and (hopefully for his sake) got some money out of all the exposure. So what? McCain didn't hold Joe up as some sort of intellectual or even as someone SPEAKING for the Party, but as an example of how far to the LEFT Obama and the MSM had gone.
Do either of you feel that Joe was used and abused by the MSM and by Obama's version of the Democratic party?

741 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:17pm

re: #722 avanti

I'm opposed to gay marriage too, but just because of the long history of the meaning of the term...

And what does that mean? What term would you prefer? What the fuck does it matter what it's called as long as two people are happy, stable and committed to each other?

742 TheSextons[deleted]  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:32pm
743 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:42pm

re: #732 Macker

/snickering

//upding for you

744 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:26:45pm

re: #735 Million Dollar Man

All joking aside: gays are not the enemy and they're not trying to recruit your kids.

If you seriously believe they are, you are having paranoid delusions.

I don't think that. You were the one posting comments about recruitment, not me.

745 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:27:38pm

re: #707 JohnAdams

I hope so too. This is liberalism is taught in school.

746 swamprat  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:27:56pm

This just in;

What people do with their genitalia for entertainment is no indication of their value as a human being, their position in society, or their morals.


Message ends..

747 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:28:08pm

re: #741 Walter L. Newton

And what does that mean? What term would you prefer? What the fuck does it matter what it's called as long as two people are happy, stable and committed to each other?

What about "civil unions"?

748 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:28:27pm

re: #744 Sharmuta

I don't think that.

Well I'm glad. This anti-gay rhetoric is exactly the kind of thing alienating many voters from the GOP.

749 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:29:18pm

Reactionary right on the wax, Loon left on the wane.

Unhappy loonacons meet palliated moonbats.
And I say to myself, what a wonderful world...

750 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:29:18pm

re: #747 Macker

What about "civil unions"?

Why are people so concerned about semantics? Call it whatever you want.

Gays should be allowed to legally get married.

751 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:29:32pm

Some of my favorite couples are gay. Some of them might want to marry. I say let 'em.

752 JohnAdams  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:29:51pm

re: #742 TheSextons

Nice. That's probably been building up for quite a while? Please, share more.

753 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:29:54pm

re: #748 Million Dollar Man

Well I'm glad. This anti-gay rhetoric is exactly the kind of thing alienating many voters from the GOP.


Sharmuta
Registered since: Feb 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 51,969
No. of links posted: 807
Karma: 74,189

VS.

Million Dollar Man
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 7:57 pm
No. of comments posted: 33
No. of links posted: 0
Karma: 12

No offense to you MDM, but you are in no position to lecture Sharmuta about anything on this blog.

754 BatGuano  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:30:19pm

re: #709 Altermite

I was just saying that they voted for Obama. I don't give a shit why.

755 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:30:26pm

re: #725 Million Dollar Man

Seriously Sharmuta, relax.

Gays are not trying to "recruit" anyone.

Ok, let me explain this to you, and I am being serious.

Here at LGF, when we want to leave a comment that is meant to be satirical or sarcasm, we end our comments with a sarcasm tag, which is usually a slash (/).

Or we use the word "sarc" or "/sarcasm" or something to indicate we were trying to make a humorous or satirical remark.

We do this so everyone is aware of the tone of our comment. And so people from other blogs will not link to our comments in an effort to make us look bad.

So, a suggestion, use a sarcasm tag if you are being sarcastic, otherwise, your intentions may be mistaken.

Please take this advice to heart, your account here depends on it.

756 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:30:36pm

re: #736 laZardo

I was 7 when that all went down. All I heard is that it got shot down like Cheney's hunting buddy, for reasons I have yet to find out. Other than that, Clinton left in 2000-1 with a budget surplus.

Give Obama a Gingrich opposing him in congress, and even he will start achieving like Clinton did. What a difference a Congress makes! I only hope Obama doesn't cram big government down our throats under the guise of dealing with crisis. Funny, I though only totalitarian dictatorships thrived on crisis to drive their agenda. Silly me.

757 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:30:38pm

re: #748 Million Dollar Man

Well I'm glad. This anti-gay rhetoric is exactly the kind of thing alienating many voters from the GOP.

and your comments ( when they will be taken out of context ) don't help either.

I got your jokes. Everybody did. I wasn't sure at first whether or not you were a below avg MOBY or not. I decided that you were not.
but your comments will be taken literally by the people who like to cherry pick comments and post them on their hate blogs

758 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:31:00pm

re: #753 Desert Dog

Sharmuta
Registered since: Feb 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 51,969
No. of links posted: 807
Karma: 74,189

VS.

Million Dollar Man
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 7:57 pm
No. of comments posted: 33
No. of links posted: 0
Karma: 12

No offense to you MDM, but you are in no position to lecture Sharmuta about anything on this blog.

What the hell does post count have to do with anything? Is Sharmuta somehow more of an authority on gay marriage because s/he's posted on LGF?

759 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:31:09pm

re: #731 freetoken

Looks like they got rid of that wording.

The link is for the 2009 version.

760 katemaclaren  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:31:12pm

re: #746 swamprat

This just in;


Message ends..

Who said that?
I'll bet a pedophile or a rapist.

761 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:31:46pm

re: #748 Million Dollar Man

I have homosexual/bi-sexual family members. I love them very much, and see no reason why their relationships are any threat to my heterosexuality or my ability to marry a man.

762 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:32:39pm

re: #758 Million Dollar Man

Remember to put this at the end of sarcasm or jokes that might be misconstrued by readers out there: "/" - this is known as a sarc tag. You'll thank me later.

763 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:32:46pm

re: #713 Shiplord Kirel

Who said Oliver Stone, etc..., speaks for the left? No doubt thay are Democrats, but that doesn't mean they speak for the left. For the record, they don't speak for me.

764 swamprat  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:33:03pm

re: #760 katemaclaren

ok . Consenting adults.

picky, picky

765 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:33:09pm

re: #753 Desert Dog

Registered since: Feb 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 51,969

Boy, do the per day math on that.

/that's pretty much a 24/7 full time job

766 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:33:28pm

re: #758 Million Dollar Man

What the hell does post count have to do with anything? Is Sharmuta somehow more of an authority on gay marriage because s/he's posted on LGF?


Hey, before you go off on Sharmuta, please read my re: #755 Walter L. Newton carefully.

Some good advice for a newbie.

767 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:33:32pm

re: #758 Million Dollar Man

What the hell does post count have to do with anything? Is Sharmuta somehow more of an authority on gay marriage because s/he's posted on LGF?

You're right, we are all wrong and you are right, we cede the floor to your superior intellect :-)

Actually, if you read most of the posts in this blog you'll find a fairly enlightened view of gays in general. Any outright homophobic posts are mashed down by fellow posters.

768 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:33:49pm

re: #741 Walter L. Newton

And what does that mean? What term would you prefer? What the fuck does it matter what it's called as long as two people are happy, stable and committed to each other?

Walter, I have to say I have no logical answer to your question. My brain tells me you are correct, yet I still personally prefer that traditional marriage be between a man and a woman with full rights, civil unions for gays. If you asked me how I'd vote on the issue today, I'd abstain.

769 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:33:52pm

re: #757 Shug

and your comments ( when they will be taken out of context ) don't help either.

I got your jokes. Everybody did. I wasn't sure at first whether or not you were a below avg MOBY or not. I decided that you were not.
but your comments will be taken literally by the people who like to cherry pick comments and post them on their hate blogs

I say screw 'em. LGF doesn't need to worry what other people, especially on loony blogs, think.

770 Liberal Classic  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:00pm

re: #559 Macker

You really do need to get an avatar from "The Race"...

It shall be done, superior sir!

771 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:02pm

re: #762 Catttt

Remember to put this at the end of sarcasm or jokes that might be misconstrued by readers out there: "/" - this is known as a sarc tag. You'll thank me later.

See my re: #755 Walter L. Newton

772 swamprat  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:02pm

re: #760 katemaclaren

Who said that?
I'll bet a pedophile or a rapist.


My mother said that many years ago.

773 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:05pm

re: #750 Million Dollar Man

Most of my gay friends do not want, or need, gay marriage, and would be happy beyond belief with civil unions. That said, the way I was brought up (like Miss California), marriage is ordained by God between a man and a woman.
End of story. If you don't like it, well, you have your opinion and I have mine.

774 BignJames  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:14pm

re: #729 JohnAdams

Given that there are "civil unions" all over the place, what is the exception to gay marriage--other than purely philosophical, religious, or emotional?


It's the redefining of marriage.....to allow "gay marriage" is to confer special rights to a group. This group currently enjoys the exact same rights as me. I have no objections to "civil unions". Folks that desire to enter a legal property sharing relationship should be given the means to do so....and be able to enjoy any social or legal benefits derived from it.....Just don't call it marriage.

775 katemaclaren  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:23pm

re: #764 swamprat

ok . Consenting adults.

picky, picky

;-)
I knew that...just tweaking you a bit.

776 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:32pm

I favor civil unions for homosexuals because society has a vested interest in encouraging stable relationships. On anthropological and evolutionary ground, however, it is not (and cannot be) the equivalent of heterosexual marriage.
Marriage developed in prehistoric times in response to the need to provide a stable and strong framework for the protection and rearing of human young, who were almost uniquely vulnerable and slow to mature in comparison to those of non-human mammals. The real innovation was in making the father permanently and specifically responsible for his own offspring on the basis of biological kinship, since such bonds had always existed with mothers.
Not all heterosexual couples have children, of course, but that is the evolutionary rationale for the institution.

777 realwest  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:34:33pm

re: #731 freetoken Oh for cryin out loud. The Oklahoma State GOP platform I have no doubt says a LOT of things a LOT of republicans don't beleive in.
What's the OK Democratic Party platform say about, oh, redistribution of wealth? Taxing small business' out of existence? Taxes in general? Homosexual Marriage?
I swear, I've been involved with politics for 46 years, was an honors Poly Sci major at a well know Univerity and I don't honestly think I've ever read the National Platforms of either the Dems or the Repubs cause they really don't stand for anything except gotcha politics. A small group of hard core paid (usually) party officials write the damn thing up and if the candidate doesn't like it, but doesn't want to alienate people who might otherwise vote for him, he runs away from the Party Platform.
Do you seriously want to make me go over to Kos and see what I can dig up about what they said about that idiot Lamont whom they helped push Lieberman out of CT's Democratic Party?
And what DID the CT Dem platform say in the election year when Lieberman ran as an Independent and beat Lamonts brains out?

778 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:35:07pm

re: #762 Catttt

Remember to put this at the end of sarcasm or jokes that might be misconstrued by readers out there: "/" - this is known as a sarc tag. You'll thank me later.

For example, you can say "That Cattt is a total witch"...but, as long as you put the magic "/" on the end you are safe from retribution......

right Cattt?

JUST KIDDING! ///////////////////////////////////

779 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:35:21pm

re: #769 Million Dollar Man

You might not, but Charles gets the flak, and he appreciates clarity.

780 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:35:22pm

re: #767 Desert Dog

You're right, we are all wrong and you are right, we cede the floor to your superior intellect :-)

Actually, if you read most of the posts in this blog you'll find a fairly enlightened view of gays in general. Any outright homophobic posts are mashed down by fellow posters.

You're missing my point. Posting thousands of comments on a blog does not equal greater wisdom/insight.

781 katemaclaren  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:35:32pm

re: #772 swamprat

ack! Sorrrry!

782 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:35:33pm

re: #769 Million Dollar Man

I say screw 'em. LGF doesn't need to worry what other people, especially on loony blogs, think.

I think Lao Stinky would disagree with that statement

783 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:36:24pm

re: #769 Million Dollar Man

I say screw 'em. LGF doesn't need to worry what other people, especially on loony blogs, think.

Let's put it this way. Charles, the owner of this blog would prefer it TOO. Now, if your account means anything to you, you will oblige us and follow our suggestions about sarcasm tags.

784 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:36:28pm

re: #778 Desert Dog

For example, you can say "That Cattt is a total witch"...but, as long as you put the magic "/" on the end you are safe from retribution......

right Cattt?

JUST KIDDING! ///////////////////////////////////

Actually, I have several good friends, including my ex roomie, who are witches. :D

785 freetoken  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #759 Gus 802

That is the Tulsa County platform. Previously, I linked to the state draft (posted Jan 2009) and the three counties drafts (including Tulsa County) that were available online.

April 18 they had their convention. The news sources said they adopted a 29-page platform. Only the state-wide draft was 29 pages. Two of the counties had drafts extremely similar to the state-wide one. Only the Tulsa county draft was different, being much shorter but also even more religious.

If the OK GOP ever updates their online version I will be sure to check it out. The Wisconsin GOP just voted on new stuff at their convention this past weekend. Up till now, the Wisconsin GOP have been pretty moderate, in keeping their platform free from all that stuff. However, it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsinites will keep the socons at bay.

786 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:37:03pm

re: #780 Million Dollar Man

You're missing my point. Posting thousands of comments on a blog does not equal greater wisdom/insight.

I'm still missing your point. What's the point of your point?

787 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:37:16pm

re: #779 Catttt

You might not, but Charles gets the flak, and he appreciates clarity.

Fine, point taken. But I don't think I've ever heard of LGF taking flak for comments that were obviously tongue in cheek.

788 jorline  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:37:35pm

Warning...Code Pink Pantie Wad Alert!

House Democrats seek $94.2 billion in emergency funds

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives will seek passage in coming weeks of $94.2 billion in emergency money for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and other programs, including $2 billion more to prepare for an influenza pandemic.


House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, outlining the legislation for reporters, also said the legislation would include $2.2 billion to fund some C-17 airplanes for the Pentagon.

This could get ugly on the left.

789 katemaclaren  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:37:45pm

re: #780 Million Dollar Man

MDM, careful there. I don't think you're quite ready to get off the porch and run with the big dogs just yet. Woof.

790 gander  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:37:50pm

Joe should lay-off the political/social commentary. I gotta admit though, I really enjoy his TV show where he and his business partner and their team of young apprentices hunt for ghosts in old hotels, abandoned hospitals and creepy houses.

791 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:37:54pm

re: #756 BryanS

Well, he is drawing back the torture culture that helped define the previous administration.

Seriously though, it seemed to have been really bad (or not at all?) if - at least what's on Wiki - that there was one helluva PR campaign against it.

792 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:38:04pm

re: #780 Million Dollar Man

You're missing my point. Posting thousands of comments on a blog does not equal greater wisdom/insight.

And are you missing OUR point...

See my re: #755 Walter L. Newton

793 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:38:05pm

re: #787 Million Dollar Man

Fine, point taken. But I don't think I've ever heard of LGF taking flak for comments that were obviously tongue in cheek.

LOL! Just wait. You will.

794 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:38:10pm

re: #783 Walter L. Newton

Let's put it this way. Charles, the owner of this blog would prefer it TOO. Now, if your account means anything to you, you will oblige us and follow our suggestions about sarcasm tags.

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

795 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:38:31pm

re: #780 Million Dollar Man

You're missing my point. Posting thousands of comments on a blog does not equal greater wisdom/insight.

maybe not, but what it does do is give a track record of wisdom and insight.

796 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:39:04pm

re: #785 freetoken

That is the Tulsa County platform. Previously, I linked to the state draft (posted Jan 2009) and the three counties drafts (including Tulsa County) that were available online.

April 18 they had their convention. The news sources said they adopted a 29-page platform. Only the state-wide draft was 29 pages. Two of the counties had drafts extremely similar to the state-wide one. Only the Tulsa county draft was different, being much shorter but also even more religious.

If the OK GOP ever updates their online version I will be sure to check it out. The Wisconsin GOP just voted on new stuff at their convention this past weekend. Up till now, the Wisconsin GOP have been pretty moderate, in keeping their platform free from all that stuff. However, it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsinites will keep the socons at bay.

Oh, right. That was from a previous article on LGF. Didn't notice the Tulsa County right away. Maybe they'll revise the state platform in a similar fashion. Notwithstanding the other anti-science, anti-vax entries.

797 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:39:16pm

re: #774 BignJames

It's the redefining of marriage.....to allow "gay marriage" is to confer special rights to a group. This group currently enjoys the exact same rights as me. I have no objections to "civil unions". Folks that desire to enter a legal property sharing relationship should be given the means to do so....and be able to enjoy any social or legal benefits derived from it.....Just don't call it marriage.

You say gay marriage, I say civil unions. Let's call the whole thing off! More seriously, semantics seem to have a large sway on motivating religious based opposition to gay marriage/unions/whatever.

798 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:39:22pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

We are all kinda fond of Sharmuta around here, so we are just saying be prepared to get a load of heat if you decide to have it out with her.

799 irongrampa  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:39:27pm

re: #747 Macker

Civil union will work fine for me. Marriage (my view) is between man and woman. Anything else is an aberration.

Having said that, I don't give a shit if two same sex individuals wish to keep a life together. If civil unions can provide the necessary protections as marriage does, great.

The problem for me is when it gets shoved in my face, incessantly and stridently. I don't run around prosletyzing my heterosexual union--I expect that same respect from gays.

Rant off.

800 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:39:31pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

Around here, we're all a bit of moderators in that we try to assist Charles in keeping his house nice.

801 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:40:02pm

re: #798 Desert Dog

Aww- thank you.

802 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:40:07pm

re: #763 Flyers1974

Who said Oliver Stone, etc..., speaks for the left? No doubt thay are Democrats, but that doesn't mean they speak for the left. For the record, they don't speak for me.

I was mocking Alan "Strawman" Colmes, who will obviously assume that Joe the plumber bigot speaks for the "right" unless everyone from George Will to Sarah Palin fall over themselves to repudiate him.

803 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:40:08pm

re: #795 Shug

maybe not, but what it does do is give a track record of wisdom and insight.

I dunno. Still seems silly to me. If someone makes a good argument, it's a good argument whether or not they've posted 100000000 times before.

People with zillions of comments who said asinine/offensive things were banned here before I'm sure.

804 swamprat  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:40:12pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

Not a mod. He's a rocker.

Different London gang entirely.

805 Macker  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:40:16pm

re: #799 irongrampa

If I could give you 1,000 updings I would!

806 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:40:56pm

I just noticed my two current favorite vids on youtube are a (great) gay chorus (I think Killgore linked it originally - hat tip) and sweet pics of Twiggy Ramirez and Marilyn Manson set to "I Only Want to Be with You," sung by Twiggy Lawson! Sweet if you're a fan, and I am.

807 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:00pm

re: #804 swamprat

Not a mod. He's a rocker.

Different London gang entirely.

I'm not a mod or a rocker- I'm a mocker.

/Shamelessly stolen from The Beatles

808 Shug  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:06pm

Shug Jr has 3 teeth.
And he will sink all 3 of them into the first person who messes with auntie Sharm.

no sarc

809 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:30pm

re: #804 swamprat

Not a mod. He's a rocker.

Different London gang entirely.

He's a mocker (quoting Ringo)

810 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:31pm

re: #803 Million Dollar Man

I dunno. Still seems silly to me. If someone makes a good argument, it's a good argument whether or not they've posted 100000000 times before.

People with zillions of comments who said asinine/offensive things were banned here before I'm sure.

You need to chill out because you're a noob. I'd take their advise if I were you before you have a meltdown and then wind up hanging out with the psychos over at V2.

811 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:47pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

We all moderate this blog. You are starting to act like a jerk now. We have some protocol here, and I tried to nicely point that out to you, but it seems you think you are the fucking big dog around here already.

Look MDM. Back off. If you haven't noticed,a number of Lizards have tried to offer you some advice here about posting, and you are just coming back and acting like a asshole.

Yes, Charles will block your account if you don't lighten up and follow some protocol here. He doesn't like this place getting dirtied up with filth.

If you are not interested in using a sarcasm tag when you are trying to be phity and cute, then I advise you to stop posting.

812 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:48pm

re: #809 Desert Dog

GMTA!

813 realwest  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:49pm

FWLIW, I think Gays should have equal rights with hetero's under all the laws (some folks forget just how vicious some State laws can be). Some folks think Marriage is a religious concept. I don't.
I think Gays should have the right to marry.
And to go through what straights do in divorces.

814 Thanos  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:41:50pm

re: #787 Million Dollar Man

It's called "quote mining" ... taken out of context of the thread some comments can be hauled out to disastrous effect at the right moment. Comments live forever unless stinky deletes them, they run back to 2001.
I got what you were saying since I caught Nels comment that kicked it off, some people skim and seen out of context the sarc isn't as evident and they could take you as a moby or troll. Besides that you carried the schtick on wayyyy too long, know when to stop and move on...

815 JohnAdams  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:04pm

re: #774 BignJames

It's the redefining of marriage.....to allow "gay marriage" is to confer special rights to a group. This group currently enjoys the exact same rights as me. I have no objections to "civil unions". Folks that desire to enter a legal property sharing relationship should be given the means to do so....and be able to enjoy any social or legal benefits derived from it.....Just don't call it marriage.

Thanks for the explanation. But really, once it passes the legal test, I don't see an objection to calling it marriage other than a cultural or philosophical bridge that some people cannot cross. Trust me, I'm not judging your objection as much as I find it curious. The way I see it, heteros have done a pretty good job of making a mockery of marriage all on their own. And I know many gay couples who struggle like straight people to keep their relationships together, with about the same level of succes/failure.

I think a lot of conservatives are willing to let people live and let live, but they are threatened by the idea that the downfall of traditional marriage means the downfall of traditional family life and values.

816 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:24pm

re: #800 Sharmuta

Around here, we're all a bit of moderators in that we try to assist Charles in keeping his house nice.

/well, at ~2.7 comments per hour, 24/7 for over two years, not counting socks, you've got it going

817 swamprat  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:26pm

re: #809 Desert Dog
Sharmuta owes you a coke.

818 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:34pm

re: #808 Shug

Give my little Shug darlin a kiss from his Auntie.

819 stuiec  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:47pm

From the Guardian (UK).

It's not me. It's you

As a lesbian, I no longer want to be lumped in with a list of folk defined by 'odd' sexual practices

Being nominated for an award is supposed to be a nice thing, right? Well not for me. When I was told a few weeks ago that I had been shortlisted for a journalist of the year award by the gay rights organisation Stonewall, I knew I would not win. I was certainly a worthy contender, but I knew from that moment that all hell was about to break loose.

You need a little history first: in 2004 I wrote a column in this newspaper about a Canadian male-to-female transsexual who had taken a rape crisis centre to court over its decision not to invite her to be a counsellor for rape victims. I questioned whether a sex change would make someone a woman, or simply a man who has had surgery.

The article caused uproar among some sections of the transsexual community and, despite apologising publicly three times about the tone and inappropriate humour in the column, I have never been allowed to forget it.

Once the nomination became public I waited for the transsexual community to kick up a fuss. They did, and organised a massive campaign against me and Stonewall, culminating in a demonstration to protest my nomination outside the awards ceremony. The kerfuffle was not just about me, but deep-seated anger towards Stonewall for refusing to add the T (for transsexual) on to the LGB (for lesbian, gay and bisexual).

In the 1970s and 80s, lesbians were left to our own devices, and mainly organised and socialised separately from gay men. Then, in the late 1980s, along came Section 28, homophobic legislation which forbade schools to "promote homosexuality". HIV/Aids was affecting increasing numbers of gay men, so lesbians offered support and solidarity.

We became "lesbian and gay", but soon bisexuals shouted, "Us too". Transsexuals, having received short shrift from heterosexual society, asked to be included in our rainbow alliance, followed by Queer (anyone who is into "kinky" sex), then Questioning (those having a think about who and how they might shag in the future), and finally (for now) Intersex (those born with biological features that are simultaneously perceived as male and female). The mantra now at "gay" meetings is a tongue-twisting LGBTQQI.

It is all a bit of an unholy alliance. We have been put in a room together and told to play nicely. But I for one do not wish to be lumped in with an ever-increasing list of folk defined by "odd" sexual habits or characteristics. Shall we just start with A and work our way through the alphabet? A, androgynous, b, bisexual, c, cat-fancying d, devil worshipping. Where will it ever end?

On various message boards discussing my nomination, one poster said of me: "She does not have the right to express an opinion on trans matters as she is not trans. Any more than someone who is straight can express an opinion on homosexuality. It's not that her views are different, it is that she is expressing them at all. She has no right!"

Do you see the contradiction here? I am told I should not be nominated for awards from a gay organisation because I am part of one big "queer family" which should, they say, include transsexuals; but I am not allowed to comment on transsexualism. In the meantime, on the same websites, an intersex person was told to shut up by a transsexual, and lesbian feminists who were born women are being told they are neither of these things by a number of women who were born male but believe they make better lesbians than me.

I just want to be left alone. I am not in your gang, I did not ask to be, so please don't tell me I am one of yours, and then tell me off for offending your orthodoxy. Let's have an amicable split, instead of ending up carrying on like The Judean People's Front. Or is it The People's Front of Judea?

julie.bindel@guardian.co.uk

820 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:55pm

re: #807 Sharmuta

I'm not a mod or a rocker- I'm a mocker.

/Shamelessly stolen from The Beatles

ahhh, not fast enough

You have seen Hard Days Night recently to remember that one

821 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:42:59pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

Mods are double super secret. /

822 katemaclaren  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:43:24pm

re: #810 Gus 802

What's V2?

823 laZardo  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:43:34pm

re: #813 realwest

I think Gays should have the right to marry.
And to go through what straights do in divorces.

/Fry-squints, and sees what you said thar.

824 Sharmuta  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:44:01pm

re: #820 Desert Dog

ahhh, not fast enough

You have seen Hard Days Night recently to remember that one

My HS BFF and I practically memorized it. Haven't seen it in a while, but I do own a copy on DVD.

825 Desert Dog  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:44:23pm

re: #822 katemaclaren

What's V2?

it's the watered down version of V8

and,

it's a scud missile designed by Von Braun for Hilter during WWII

826 jorline  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:44:27pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

Walter is on the right.

827 solomonpanting  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:44:34pm

re: #773 Macker

That said, the way I was brought up (like Miss California)


Dennis Miller remarked at the situation where one's stance on same-sex marriage is enough to cause a woman to lose a beauty contest but not enough to cost someone the Presidency of the US.

828 avanti  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:05pm

re: #794 Million Dollar Man

Are you a mod? I don't get it.

OK, I'll try and spell it out for you. I've only been here a few months, I'm a leftie, and I voted for BHO, but I'm still here because I listened to the good advice of the regulars. The sarc tag may seem useless to you because you know your intent, but as a newbie, the others may not get it. The old timers can't open the trap door and drop you, but if you ignore their advice and shit in the web masters living room, you will disappear.

829 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:10pm

re: #803 Million Dollar Man

We all love some of us specially much and get a little protective sometimes. It's kind of like a family that way. Not logical, maybe, but there you have it.

830 Gus 802  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:24pm

re: #822 katemaclaren

What's V2?

You know. Stalker Central. 2. Where the banned sad sacks live and watch.

831 DaMav  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:29pm

Regardless of how one personally feels about gay marriage, how ridiculous is it to assert that this issue is driving people away from the Republican Party? Obama himself said he was opposed to it. And it loses repeatedly in national polls, the most recent by 10 points among voters per CNN.

You can make plenty of arguments on the issue itself, on both sides imo. But there is absolutely NO reasonable argument that taking a position contrary to and more liberal than that of Obama is necessary to help the Republican Party.

832 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:38pm

re: #826 jorline

Thank you, I think?

And now he runs away, doesn't want to play.

833 realwest  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:39pm

re: #826 jorline
Hey jorline - how are you doing tonight?

834 BryanS  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:45:44pm

re: #791 laZardo

Well, he is drawing back the torture culture that helped define the previous administration.

Seriously though, it seemed to have been really bad (or not at all?) if - at least what's on Wiki - that there was one helluva PR campaign against it.

Three people in the entire time of the Bush administration--and then top leaders of Al Queda, and with the bipartisan blessing of the intelligence committees and congressional leadership--were pressured with non life threatening, non-injurious discomfort. Hardly a culture of torture foisted upon us by Bush.

835 Million Dollar Man  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:46:35pm

re: #811 Walter L. Newton

...You are starting to act like a jerk now...it seems you think you are the fucking big dog around here already.... Back off... you are just coming back and acting like a asshole...Charles will block your account...He doesn't like this place getting dirtied up with filth.

Jesus, talk about overreaction.

836 Flyers1974  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:46:45pm

re: #802 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks, didn't know. I've heard of Alan Colmes a million times, just never heard him speak.

837 Catttt  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:47:22pm

re: #835 Million Dollar Man

Jesus, talk about overreaction.

Talk about passive aggressive. Ahem.

838 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 4, 2009 9:47:24pm