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History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, “Can’t you remember anything I told you?” and lets fly with a club.

John W. Campbell

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1 BignJames  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:37pm

Nah, I'm afflicted w/CRS.

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:33:36pm

"History does not repeat itself, but it does sometimes rhyme".

Paraphrased from a source I cannot recall.

3 StudSupreme  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:35:19pm

Kinda like deja vu all over again, yuk yuk
;-)

4 Opilio  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:35:23pm

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

5 sngnsgt  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:35pm

re: #1 BignJames

You too huh? I have a legit excuse, I have Epilepsy.

6 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:37pm

The Evolution of Math Teaching.

1. Teaching Maths In 1970

A logger sells a lorry load of timber for £1000..
His cost of production is 4/5 of the selling price.
What is his profit?


2. Teaching Maths In 1980

A logger sells a lorry load of timber for £1000.
His cost of production is 4/5 of the selling price, or £800.
What is his profit?


3. Teaching Maths In 1990
A logger sells a lorry load of timber for £1000.
His cost of production is £800.
Did he make a profit?


4. Teaching Maths In 2000

A logger sells a lorry load of timber for £1000.
His cost of production is £800 and his profit is £200.
Your assignment: Underline the number 200.


5. Teaching Maths In 2008

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is totally selfish and
inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the
preservation of our woodlands.
He does this so he can make a profit of £200. What do you think of this
way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the
birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no
wrong answers.
If you are upset about the plight of the animals in question counselling
will be available)

6... Teaching Maths 2018

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And we wonder why are kids are getting dumber.

7 BignJames  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:37:16pm

re: #4 Opilio

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."


I thought he said "I am the Egg Man,,koo koo ka choo"

8 Bob Dillon  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:09pm

A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. And, one who can enjoy browsing old cemeteries…

Some fascinating things on old tombstones!

Harry Edsel Smith of Albany , New York :
Born 1903–Died 1942.
Looked up the elevator shaft to see if the car was on the way down. It was.


In a Thurmont, Maryland , cemetery:
here lies an Atheist, all dressed up and no place to go.

On the grave of Ezekial Aikle in East DalhousieCemetery, Nova Scotia
Here lies Ezekial Aikle, Age 102. Only The Good Die Young.


In a London , England cemetery:
Here lies Ann Mann, Who lived an old maid but died an old Mann. Dec. 8, 1767


In a Ribbesford, England , cemetery:
Anna Wallace The children of Israel wanted bread, And the Lord sent them manna. Clark Wallace wanted a wife, And the Devil sent him Anna.


In a Ruidoso, New Mexico , cemetery:
Here lies Johnny Yeast… Pardon me for not rising.


In a Uniontown, Pennsylvania , cemetery:
Here lies the body of Jonathan Blake. Stepped on the gas instead of the brake…


In a Silver City, Nevada, cemetery:
Here lays The Kid. We planted him raw. He was quick on the trigger, but slow on the draw..


A lawyer’s epitaph in England :
Sir John Strange. Here lies an honest lawyer, and that is Strange.


John Penny’s epitaph in the Wimborne, England ,cemetery:
Reader, if cash thou art in want of any, dig 6 feet deep and thou wilt find a Penny.


In a cemetery in Hartscombe , England :
On the 22nd of June, Jonathan Fiddle went out of tune.


Anna Hopewell’s grave in Enosburg Falls , Vermont :
Here lies the body of our Anna, Done to death by a banana. It wasn’t the fruit that laid her low,
But the skin of the thing that made her go.


On a grave from the 1880s in Nantucket , Massachusetts :
Under the sod and under the trees,
Lies the body of Jonathan Pease.
He is not here, there’s only the pod.
Pease shelled out and went to God.


In a cemetery in England :
Remember man, as you walk by,
As you are now, so once was I
As I am now, so shall you be.
Remember this and follow me.
To which someone replied by writing on the tombstone:
To follow you I’ll not consent ….
Until I know which way you went.

9 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:49pm

Hello Evening Lizards.
Good night too.
Must sleep!
Play nicely, please?

10 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:45:32pm

*ding-ding* *ding-ding* *ding-ding*

Cranky Old Coot, Arriving.

11 gmsc  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:02pm

re: #4 Opilio

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

12 BignJames  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:23pm

re: #8 Bobibutu


Boot Hill

Here lies Les Moore
Done in with a 44
No Less
No More

13 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:50pm
14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:47:26pm

re: #13 Iron Fist

Cardist!

15 slokat  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:47:48pm

re: #8 Bobibutu

Bringing new meaning to the over night dead thread...

16 gmsc  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:48:08pm

re: #1 BignJames

Nah, I'm afflicted w/CRS.

re: #5 sngnsgt

You too huh? I have a legit excuse, I have Epilepsy.

I have epilepsy, too. However, remembering things isn't exactly a problem for me. (Click my screenname to explore my blog, and you'll see just what I mean.)

;)

17 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:48:13pm

re: #8 Bobibutu

My maternal grandpa used to take us kids to the cemetery to see like tombstones. I kinda like it.

At Halloween we always decorate & have our own tombstones on the lawn with shorter but similar epitaphs.

We bad.

18 gmsc  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:48:22pm

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cardist!

Ed Marlo?
;)

19 Gus  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:51:36pm

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cardist!

Spadist!

20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:51:47pm

re: #18 gmsc

Ed Marlo?
;)

I have to plead nearly 40 hours without sleep for why I haven't a clue about what you said, sorry.

21 Bob Dillon  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:52:29pm

re: #17 Pvt Bin Jammin

My maternal grandpa used to take us kids to the cemetery to see like tombstones. I kinda like it.

At Halloween we always decorate & have our own tombstones on the lawn with shorter but similar epitaphs.

We bad.

When my hound was alive we visited cemeteries all across the US for his dog walks - the hound ran around - I read tombstones - fascinating. Got hooked.

22 wiffersnapper  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:54:57pm

re: #13 Iron Fist

U ♣ Seals?

23 gmsc  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:54:59pm

re: #20 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have to plead nearly 40 hours without sleep for why I haven't a clue about what you said, sorry.

Actually, I'd be surprised if a single person on this board got that reference (Maybe Walter).

Ed Marlo is known among close-up card magicians as a technical wiz. When he performed or published material, he often referred to himself as the "Cardiste" (playing on the word artiste). Anyone who knows his work will tell you that he did more than enough to earn that title.

24 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:55:33pm

re: #21 Bobibutu

My Grandpa stayed healthy by walking so I'm sure that's why he got hooked too. I think I want something funny on my tombstone. WTH

25 zombie  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:55:54pm

What is it with the hypersensitivity epidemic? Any other blog-owners noticing this trend? Every day this year, with increasing frequency, I get somewhere around 3 to 5 emails that start, "I admire you, BUT your position/comment/post on ..." with the rest being a complaint about something I've done or written.

What's up with that?

26 Fenway_Nation  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:35pm

I thought I'd take this opportunity to bring up Burlington Northern's LNG-fueled locomotives.

They were basically a modified pair of EMD SD40-2s operating in tandem with a big LNG tank car (harkening back to the steam era by referring to it as a 'tender') between the two of them. For the first half of the 1990s, Burlington Northern SD40-2s #7890 and #7149 operated in dedicated Powder River unit coal train service between Wyoming and the midwest.

This lasted until 1996, but I'm not sure why Burlington Northern and successor BNSF decided to pull the plug. The case could be made that even with the modifications, the two locomotives were approaching the end of their service life; except that BNSF still rosters plenty of unmodified SD40-2s to this day. Another possibility is that the newer locmotives offered by GE and EMD (C44-9s, SD75Is were offering similar fuel effciency without any sort of modifications).

Perhaps the most glaring possibility is that no matter how well the system worked, it would have to involve putting what amounted to a tank car filled with 20,000 gallons of LNG at the front of the train. Whenever feasable, crews would get at least one boxcar or flatcar ('spacers' or 'idlers') to seperate them from whatever hazardous or volatile commodity was being transported- molten sulphur, acid, propane, etc.

27 wiffersnapper  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:39pm

This quote should be on every politician's office door.

28 gmsc  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:51pm

re: #25 zombie

What is it with the hypersensitivity epidemic? Any other blog-owners noticing this trend? Every day this year, with increasing frequency, I get somewhere around 3 to 5 emails that start, "I admire you, BUT your position/comment/post on ..." with the rest being a complaint about something I've done or written.

What's up with that?

I admire the fact you're bringing up this issue, BUT . . .


///

29 Clemente  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:52pm

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cardist!

♣ just doesn't suit you?

30 Bob Dillon  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:00pm

re: #24 Pvt Bin Jammin

My Grandpa stayed healthy by walking so I'm sure that's why he got hooked too. I think I want something funny on my tombstone. WTH

Providing a moment of mirth for total strangers. Priceless.

31 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:18pm

re: #25 zombie

Maybe they're afraid to pay attention to the real life issues.

32 Gus  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:49pm

re: #25 zombie

What is it with the hypersensitivity epidemic? Any other blog-owners noticing this trend? Every day this year, with increasing frequency, I get somewhere around 3 to 5 emails that start, "I admire you, BUT your position/comment/post on ..." with the rest being a complaint about something I've done or written.

What's up with that?

Spring usually correlates with an upswing in crime. I've talked with a cop once and he said June is typically the worst month. Perhaps it related with the change in time and weather. Human behavior?

33 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:59:27pm

re: #23 gmsc

Actually, I'd be surprised if a single person on this board got that reference (Maybe Walter).

Ed Marlo is known among close-up card magicians as a technical wiz. When he performed or published material, he often referred to himself as the "Cardiste" (playing on the word artiste). Anyone who knows his work will tell you that he did more than enough to earn that title.

Now that you kickstarted my sleep deprived brain for a few seconds the name is familiar.

Just wish my Bootstrap disc wasn't V1.02 with my Kickstart disc being V3.05.

34 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:59:30pm

Muqtada al-Sadr, radical cleric noted for bad teeth and the brutality of his now defunct "mehdi army," has achieved the rank of Grand Ayatollah.

Mazel Tov, asshole.

35 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:59:46pm

re: #32 Gus 802

Spring usually correlates with an upswing in crime. I've talked with a cop once and he said June is typically the worst month. Perhaps it related with the change in time and weather. Human behavior?

I had another cop tell me that June was bad too. His theory, "School's out and it's not raining".

36 BatGuano  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:59:50pm

re: #18 gmsc

gmsc, I have that Yellow Bird steel drum thing going through my head that you linked to. I listened to it twice today, you magnificent bastard!

37 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:00:01am

Today in History, May 6th:

Highlights of this day in history: The hydrogen-filled airship Hindenburg explodes and crashes; Psychologist Sigmund Freud and actor-director Orson Welles born; Roger Bannister is the first athlete to run a mile in fewer than four minutes.

Other notable May 6th events include:

1877 – Chief Crazy Horse of the Oglala Sioux surrenders to United States troops in Nebraska.

1889 – The Eiffel Tower is officially opened to the public at the Universal Exposition in Paris.

1940 – John Steinbeck is awarded the Pulitzer Prize for his novel The Grapes of Wrath.

1994 – Former Arkansas state worker Paula Jones files suit against President Bill Clinton, alleging that he had sexually harassed her in 1991.

1994 – The Channel Tunnel opens, after 7 years of work and enables travel between England and France.

2009 – The last episode of the TV show Scrubs is aired.

38 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:00:09am

re: #32 Gus 802

Spring usually correlates with an upswing in crime. I've talked with a cop once and he said June is typically the worst month. Perhaps it related with the change in time and weather. Human behavior?

No, it's got something to do with the change in political atmosphere, not the seasons. I think some non-Obama voters are feeling particularly stressed right now, and as a result are taking offense at every little imagined slight.

39 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:00:19am

re: #35 Pvt Bin Jammin

I had another cop tell me that June was bad too. His theory, "School's out and it's not raining".

Right, nice weather. More partying and drinking.

40 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:01:44am

re: #38 zombie

No, it's got something to do with the change in political atmosphere, not the seasons. I think some non-Obama voters are feeling particularly stressed right now, and as a result are taking offense at every little imagined slight.

Non-Obama voter? You mean you're getting this from those towards the right?

41 Syrah  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:02:16am

re: #25 zombie

What is it with the hypersensitivity epidemic? Any other blog-owners noticing this trend? Every day this year, with increasing frequency, I get somewhere around 3 to 5 emails that start, "I admire you, BUT your position/comment/post on ..." with the rest being a complaint about something I've done or written.

What's up with that?

Like the Forbiden Planet, the internet is a communications medium that frees the inner Id (Freudian), allowing people the license to do and say things that they would not be caught dead doing or saying in real life.

42 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:02:36am

re: #39 Gus 802

Right, nice weather. More partying and drinking.

I'm sure that "testosterone" plays a role there as well./

43 Bob Dillon  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:03:02am

Well ... wish I could stay up and play, but I actually have to do something productive early this morning. Nite all.

44 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:03:21am

re: #42 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm sure that "testosterone" plays a role there as well./

That must be it! I feel it! Think I hit 100 MPH today when I looked at my speedometer that one time. :)

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:03:42am

re: #40 Gus 802

Non-Obama voter? You mean you're getting this from those towards the right?

Charles has been the recipient of a few screeds lately from the far-right fringies.

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:04:08am

re: #43 Bobibutu

"Nite, sweet dreams.

I won't last much longer either.

47 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:04:42am

re: #8 Bobibutu

One of my favorites:

Here lies the reverend Bone,
Met his death in a safety zone.

48 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:05:17am

re: #40 Gus 802

Non-Obama voter? You mean you're getting this from those towards the right?

95% from the right-ish side of the spectrum.

I mean, this is aside from the daily barrage of Islamic death threats. I just consider those background noise at this point.

49 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:05:33am

re: #45 FurryOldGuyJeans

Charles has been the recipient of a few screeds lately from the far-right fringies.

As you know I got scraped too by the Idiot.

50 ShanghaiEd  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:05:33am

This is only a test, to determine if my icon has uploaded. Had this been an actual post, I would have said something of consequence. Or likely, not.

51 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:05:42am
52 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:06:21am

re: #44 Gus 802

That must be it! I feel it! Think I hit 100 MPH today when I looked at my speedometer that one time. :)

LOL

53 Syrah  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:06:32am

re: #50 ShanghaiEd

This is only a test, to determine if my icon has uploaded. Had this been an actual post, I would have said something of consequence. Or likely, not.

It's a good icon.

54 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:06:51am

re: #36 BatGuano

gmsc, I have that Yellow Bird steel drum thing going through my head that you linked to. I listened to it twice today, you magnificent bastard!

I still remember the very first time, I ever heard that song. Strangely, it was at the beginning of an episode of The Day The Universe Changed, called Credit Where It's Due.

Look at it this way – It's much better than the song I had running through my head much of the day:

55 sngnsgt  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:07:01am

re: #16 gmsc

I have epilepsy, too. However, remembering things isn't exactly a problem for me. (Click my screenname to explore my blog, and you'll see just what I mean.)

;)

Small world, I never knew. I saved your site to faves and will check it out. Are you on Disability? If so, are you allowed to work? I want to get my seizures under better control so I can find work. I'm sick of being broke all the time. Oddly enough, I'm a mechanic and that doesn't go over well with the driving thing.

56 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:07:28am

Is that the John Campbell, science fiction editor?

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:08:16am

*ding-ding* *ding-ding* *ding-ding*

Cranky Old Coot, Departing.

Night, denizens of the Lizard Nation.

58 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:08:29am

re: #48 zombie

95% from the right-ish side of the spectrum.

I mean, this is aside from the daily barrage of Islamic death threats. I just consider those background noise at this point.

So it's rightish "why don't you be more sensitive" stuff or just off the wall comments from the right. If it's the latter it could be coming from the lurker lunatics and because of LGF association. Maybe.

59 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:09:05am

re: #37 gmsc

Morning Lizards.

gmsc, my birthday is on the 16th. Please try and dig up some good stuff to post on that day. Thanks.

60 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:09:12am

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

*ding-ding* *ding-ding* *ding-ding*

Cranky Old Coot, Departing.

Night, denizens of the Lizard Nation.

Good night.

//No more dings!

61 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:11:02am

re: #55 sngnsgt

Small world, I never knew. I saved your site to faves and will check it out. Are you on Disability? If so, are you allowed to work? I want to get my seizures under better control so I can find work. I'm sick of being broke all the time. Oddly enough, I'm a mechanic and that doesn't go over well with the driving thing.

I'm not on disability. My seizures are infrequent petit mal (or whatever the hell they're called now) ones that are minimized by not letting myself get too hungry or stressed out.

I have to take the bus everywhere, as I can't go 6 months without having one.

I'm a bit of a memory and math geek, so it's because I've studied memory technique that I have a good memory (My avatar is a Pi symbol because I have Pi memorized to 400 digits after the decimal point).

62 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:11:27am

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

*ding-ding* *ding-ding* *ding-ding*

Cranky Old Coot, Departing.

Night, denizens of the Lizard Nation.

G'Nite, Cranky Old Furry Guy (er sumpin')!

63 ArchangelMichael  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:12:07am

re: #38 zombie

No, it's got something to do with the change in political atmosphere, not the seasons. I think some non-Obama voters are feeling particularly stressed right now, and as a result are taking offense at every little imagined slight.

Probably because most readers of Zombietime and LGF for example who already didn't hate you guys are now feeling slighted by anything that seems like criticism of them. Post Obama they feel like they have suffered enough and having people point out their faults, so we can remain intellectually honest and have a strong basis from which to fight back in 2010 and 2012, is just too much for these people.

What I have never understood is the motivation of some people to comment on everything they don't like. Youtube comments are a prime example of this. You could put up a video of your vacation to the Grand Canyon with your family and get 600 comments about how you suck, or the video is boring, or why according to some asinine lefty dogma the Grand Canyon trip you took is destroying the environment. It's like people just cruise the web looking for things to bitch about. Can't people just ignore or silently disagree with things any more (or very least wait until they have a coherent argument and strong enough reason to complain)?

64 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:12:52am

re: #54 gmsc

I have seen every episode of connections and the day the universe changed.Great music. (Sorry 'bout the Gilligan thing)

65 ShanghaiEd  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:13:12am

re: #53 Syrah

Thanks, Syrah. Yours is nice, too. A boat with a leaf for a sail? My eyesight is not the keenest, these days.

66 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:13:34am

re: #59 Erik The Red

Morning Lizards.

gmsc, my birthday is on the 16th. Please try and dig up some good stuff to post on that day. Thanks.

Well, how would you rank the Chinese Communist Party's May 16th notice?
;)

An early Happy Birthday to you, BTW!

67 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:13:53am

re: #63 ArchangelMichael


No.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:14:16am

re: #61 gmsc


My avatar is a Pi symbol because I have Pi memorized to 400 digits after the decimal point.

After school, nerd. I'll see you after school.
/

69 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:14:54am

re: #64 BatGuano

I have seen every episode of connections and the day the universe changed.Great music. (Sorry 'bout the Gilligan thing)

That's OK – I also had Amazing Grace running through my head to the tune of I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing and Yellow Rose of Texas, too!
;)

70 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:15:15am

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

After school, nerd. I'll see you after school.
/

You always see me after school!

///

71 Syrah  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:15:45am

re: #65 ShanghaiEd

Thanks, Syrah. Yours is nice, too. A boat with a leaf for a sail? My eyesight is not the keenest, these days.

A green Bermuda rig.

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:17:21am

re: #70 gmsc

Dude, STFU! I'm trying to look cool in front of my girlfriend. Don't you dare tell anyone you're my math tutor, or so help me...
/

73 pink freud  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:17:43am

re: #32 Gus 802

Spring usually correlates with an upswing in crime. I've talked with a cop once and he said June is typically the worst month. Perhaps it related with the change in time and weather. Human behavior?

Ice cream.

74 ArchangelMichael  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:18:05am

re: #67 BignJames

No.

I guess it's just the SPAYSHAL SNOWFLAKE™ syndrome then.

75 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:18:10am

re: #63 ArchangelMichael

What I have never understood is the motivation of some people to comment on everything they don't like. Youtube comments are a prime example of this. You could put up a video of your vacation to the Grand Canyon with your family and get 600 comments about how you suck, or the video is boring, or why according to some asinine lefty dogma the Grand Canyon trip you took is destroying the environment. It's like people just cruise the web looking for things to bitch about. Can't people just ignore or silently disagree with things any more (or very least wait until they have a coherent argument and strong enough reason to complain)?

You went to the Grand Canyon?!?!? Why waste everyone's time mentioning this boring fact? YOU SUCK! And your whole family sucks! Think of all the endangered species that went extinct just so you could drive your suck-y family around in your goddamn Hummer and befoul native holy places!

76 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:18:17am

/

77 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:18:38am

re: #73 pink freud

Ice cream.

Ah, a sugar rush. Maybe it's a throw back to the Terrible 2s. /

78 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:18:46am

re: #38 zombie

No, it's got something to do with the change in political atmosphere, not the seasons. I think some non-Obama voters are feeling particularly stressed right now, and as a result are taking offense at every little imagined slight.

I am looking at the Zomblog. Is there a particular thread I should look at?

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:21:58am

re: #75 zombie

If you wanted to do that in pure YouTube fashion, you should have just typed "Ur ghey. LOL".

80 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:22:05am

re: #75 zombie

You went to the Grand Canyon?!?!? Why waste everyone's time mentioning this boring fact? YOU SUCK! And your whole family sucks! Think of all the endangered species that went extinct just so you could drive your suck-y family around in your goddamn Hummer and befoul native holy places!

Youtube is strange if you think about it. Especially if you consider the folks that make their own videos. They've had murders and suicides that took place because of the activity there.

81 Silvergirl  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:23:17am

re: #61 gmsc

I'm not on disability. My seizures are infrequent petit mal (or whatever the hell they're called now) ones that are minimized by not letting myself get too hungry or stressed out.

I have to take the bus everywhere, as I can't go 6 months without having one.

I'm a bit of a memory and math geek, so it's because I've studied memory technique that I have a good memory (My avatar is a Pi symbol because I have Pi memorized to 400 digits after the decimal point).

You posted a link not too long ago, and I used it to memorize Robert Frost's The Road Not Taken by pasting the text into the box and turning it into the first letter of each word. So thanks for that, gmsc!

82 pink freud  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:23:24am

goodnight all you wonderful people scaly ones

83 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:23:40am

re: #80 Gus 802

Lets not forget the IDF videos getting continually flagged.

84 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:23:56am

re: #82 pink freud

goodnight all you wonderful people scaly ones

Have a good one PF.

85 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:24:11am

re: #82 pink freud

goodnight all you wonderful people scaly ones

Have a great day tomorrow.

86 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:24:15am

re: #82 pink freud


G'nite Pink!

87 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:24:42am

re: #83 Fenway_Nation

Lets not forget the IDF videos getting continually flagged.

Right. And the Jihadi videos. Or the E-Surgents. Liveleak has gone bonkers with Alex Jones videos lateley.

88 pink freud  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:24:57am

re: #85 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thank you, PBJ. You too.

(i hope your husband is recovering well.)

89 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:25:18am

re: #78 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am looking at the Zomblog. Is there a particular thread I should look at?

Not really.

It's not just about Zomblog. It's about everything, every issue. Every post at Zomblog, every essay at Zombietime, every photo caption, every YouTube video, every LGF comment, every comment I make on any other site, every comment I made at Zomblog, dating back for years.

90 Silvergirl  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:25:29am

And now, sailing off with Wynken, Blynken and Nod.

91 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:25:33am

re: #61 gmsc

I' didn't know that. I am pleased you are working with it and I wish you the best. I have Asperger syndrome and my daughters tease me about it.

92 pink freud  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:25:37am

re: #86 Fenway_Nation

G'nite Pink!

Love your train stuff, Fenway. Nite.

93 sngnsgt  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:26:28am

re: #61 gmsc

I'm not on disability. My seizures are infrequent petit mal (or whatever the hell they're called now) ones that are minimized by not letting myself get too hungry or stressed out.

I have to take the bus everywhere, as I can't go 6 months without having one.

I'm a bit of a memory and math geek, so it's because I've studied memory technique that I have a good memory (My avatar is a Pi symbol because I have Pi memorized to 400 digits after the decimal point).

Great to hear your seizures aren't worse than mine. I have Gran Mal seizures and when I do have them, they're big ones. I've had some that last for 15 minutes and some that last 30 seconds. I have a hard time going 3 months without one. Disability gave me a bus pass so when I take the bus anywhere, it doesn't cost me anything. It doesn't cost much to take the bus I know but as little as I get from disability, every little bit counts. I miss driving bad, I hate the feeling of not being able to go wherever I want when I want. I've always done poorly with math, but before my Epilepsy started, I had a photographic memory.

94 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:26:44am

re: #90 Silvergirl

And now, sailing off with Wynken, Blynken and Nod.


Sailing?

95 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:26:47am

re: #88 pink freud

Thanks for remembering.

He is overdoing it so I am a little scared but everything is a-okay so far.

96 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:26:51am

re: #80 Gus 802

Youtube is strange if you think about it. Especially if you consider the folks that make their own videos. They've had murders and suicides that took place because of the activity there.

I still get 15 - 20 comments a day on a YouTube video I uploaded a year and a half ago! And hate mails about it too. Crazy.

97 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:28:02am

re: #92 pink freud

Why thanks...

98 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:28:06am

re: #93 sngnsgt

Any particular trigger?

99 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:28:55am

re: #90 Silvergirl

And now, sailing off with Wynken, Blynken and Nod.

'Nite. I am out too.

Zombie, I'll take a better look at your blogs tomorrow.

Take care everyone.

100 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:29:19am

re: #96 zombie

I still get 15 - 20 comments a day on a YouTube video I uploaded a year and a half ago! And hate mails about it too. Crazy.

You must have nerves of steel. But you know I've heard other people say that they get hate mail and that's for people that create things like with art or music. Even then there's always some crazy person that wants to send something to those people. Like Duke Ellington probably got some hate mail.

101 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:29:35am

re: #99 Pvt Bin Jammin

'Nite. I am out too.

Zombie, I'll take a better look at your blogs tomorrow.

Take care everyone.

Good night PBJ.

102 Gus  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:30:11am

I'm going to head out too since I should try and be productive tomorrow.

Good night folks.

103 sngnsgt  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:30:43am

re: #98 BignJames

It seems the worst one is not eating right. I never miss my meds, I take them twice a day @ 10:00AM and 10:00PM. I just know if it's 10:01 and I haven't taken meds, I know it's time to.

104 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:31:15am
105 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:31:17am

re: #102 Gus 802

I'm going to head out too since I should try and be productive tomorrow.

Good night folks.

Good night, Gus!

Good night to the others who left while I was catching up reading on my other sites!

106 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:31:40am

re: #102 Gus 802


I have to be productive/alert for a few hours tomorrow as well.

G'nite!

107 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:32:03am

re: #100 Gus 802

Like Duke Ellington probably got some hate mail.

That F$*&ckin' Duke Ellington! Who the hell does he think he is with all that fancy-schmancy piano playing and elegant persona an' shit? I'm gonna kick his ass!

Do you know him? I'm gonna kick your ass too!

108 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:33:23am

ZoNation: Land of Oz

109 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:33:36am

Oh...and if I find myself at that bank again with Chrissy Matthews blaring from a TV in the lobby, do you think they'd get the hint if I took off my shoe and started whacking the screen with the sole every time they showed his face? I figure I'm tall enough to reach it...

110 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:33:48am

re: #104 buzzsawmonkey

I can't believe I missed the opportunity on the last thread to observe that it pounds shilling, and Pence.

Better late than never.

Clarify? You mean Pence was shilling while Matthews pounds him?

111 Syrah  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:34:19am
"There is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Spoken by Ratty to Mole in Wind in the Willows

Goodnight all.

Tomorrow beckons.

112 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:35:07am

re: #111 Syrah

Goodnight all.

Tomorrow beckons.

Sleep well, Syrah!

113 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:35:44am
114 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:35:47am

Yet again, I find myself posing after bidding everyone farewell.

115 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:35:51am

re: #107 zombie

/ sounds like you have Tourettes.
:)

116 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:37:22am

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Speaking of which:

The most difficult musical trivia question of the day:

Name the only top-forty hit song in the United States (post-1960) which contained in its lyrics the word "thruppence."

117 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:38:33am

Posting

/PIMF

*sigh*

118 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:38:46am

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

No, I meant that the postings on the thread pound shilling for creationism, and Pence as well for his mealymouthedness.

Ah, OK, I get it now. Too bad you didn't think of it in time! But now, it's on record at least.

119 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:39:19am

re: #116 zombie

Speaking of which:

The most difficult musical trivia question of the day:

Name the only top-forty hit song in the United States (post-1960) which contained in its lyrics the word "thruppence."

Magic Bus, Duran Duran

120 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:40:04am

re: #116 zombie

Speaking of which:

The most difficult musical trivia question of the day:

Name the only top-forty hit song in the United States (post-1960) which contained in its lyrics the word "thruppence."

Magic Bus...the Who

121 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:40:58am

re: #119 gmsc

Magic Bus, Duran Duran

Duran Duran?!?!?!?

The song Magic Bus is correct, but the bad was of course The Who.

Even so: A gold star for you! Very few people remember that one!

122 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:41:27am

re: #120 BignJames

Magic Bus...the Who

Another, bigger gold star for getting it exactly right!

123 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:41:38am
124 Fenway_Nation  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:42:04am

G'nite for real, lizards!

And don't forget...Saturday May 9 is National Train Day!

125 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:42:32am

re: #121 zombie

Duran Duran?!?!?!?

The song Magic Bus is correct, but the bad was of course The Who.

Even so: A gold star for you! Very few people remember that one!

Oh, I didn't know Duran Duran was doing a cover.

Who was the original band?

Yes.

So, yes sang "Magic Bus"?

No. Who did.

What are you asking me for?!?

126 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:43:16am

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

The lines are more prosaic:

"Sixpence and thruppence each day
Just to get to my ba-bay."

127 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:43:31am

re: #124 Fenway_Nation

G'nite for real, lizards!

And don't forget...Saturday May 9 is National Train Day!

G'night, Fenway.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:44:01am

re: #107 zombie

Pwn him liek teh n00b he is. LOL!1!

129 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:45:33am

re: #125 gmsc

Oh, I didn't know Duran Duran was doing a cover.

For some reason, that makes me extremely depressed.

Reminds me of the old, old joke:

(Two teenaged girls are flipping through a stack of old records. One pulls out an album and shows it to the other:) "Look -- Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings!"

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:45:47am

re: #114 Fenway_Nation

Yet again, I find myself posing after bidding everyone farewell.

Nude? Pix or it didn't happen.

131 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:46:00am
132 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:47:05am

re: #129 zombie

For some reason, that makes me extremely depressed.

Reminds me of the old, old joke:

(Two teenaged girls are flipping through a stack of old records. One pulls out an album and shows it to the other:) "Look -- Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings!"


Now that is sad.

133 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:48:15am

Who's on what?

134 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:48:31am

re: #131 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget
"...tuppence
Safely, cautiously, carefully invested in the
Dawes, Holmes, Mousely, Grubb
Fidelity fiduciary bank"

from Mary Poppins.

I haven't heard that in too long . . .

Let's not forget the other Mary Poppins Tuppence song . . .

135 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:50:08am

re: #133 BatGuano

Who's on what?


[Video]

Hey, if you like Who's on First-related videos, here's a few for you!

I like this one, because while it's derivative, it's still original and silly:

136 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:50:45am

re: #131 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget
"...tuppence
Safely, cautiously, carefully invested in the
Dawes, Holmes, Mousely, Grubb
Fidelity fiduciary bank"

from Mary Poppins.

I'm scraping my brain for some farthing lyrics.

137 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:54:23am

I had faintly remembered that Molly Malone had sold her cockles and mussels for a paltry sum, but alas, no price was ever mentioned, now that I check.

138 the phantom  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:57:21am

zombie - did you ever write up your political-philosophical position paper?

139 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:57:47am
140 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:58:05am

re: #137 zombie

I had faintly remembered that Molly Malone had sold her cockles and mussels for a paltry sum, but alas, no price was ever mentioned, now that I check.

Genesis – Farthing Man

141 Fionn MacCumhaill  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:58:19am

This is titled "The Children's Bible in a Nutshell".

In the beginning, which occurred near the start, there was nothing but God, darkness, and some gas. The Bible says, 'The Lord thy God is one, but I think He must be a lot older than that.

Anyway, God said, 'Give me a light!' and someone did.

Then God made the world.

He split the Adam and made Eve. Adam and Eve were naked, but they weren't embarrassed because mirrors hadn't been invented yet.

Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating one bad apple, so they were driven from the Garden of Eden...Not sure what they were driven in though, because they didn't have cars.

Adam and Eve had a son, Cain, who hated his brother as long as he was Abel.

Pretty soon all of the early people died off, except for Methuselah, who lived to be like a million or something.

One of the next important people was Noah, who was a good guy, but one of his kids was kind of a Ham. Noah built a large boat and put his family and some animals on it. He asked some other people to join him, but they said they would have to take a rain check.

After Noah came Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jacob was more famous than his brother, Esau, because Esau sold Jacob his birthmark in exchange for some pot roast. Jacob had a son named Joseph who wore a really loud sports coat.

Another important Bible guy is Moses, whose real name was Charlton Heston. Moses led the Israel Lights out of Egypt and away from the evil Pharaoh after God sent ten plagues on Pharaoh's people. These plagues included frogs, mice, lice, bowels, and no cable.

God fed the Israel Lights every day with manicotti. Then he gave them His Top Ten Commandments. These include: Don't lie, cheat, smoke, dance, or covet your neighbor's stuff.

Oh, yeah, I just thought of one more: Humor thy father and thy mother.

One of Moses' best helpers was Joshua who was the first Bible guy to use spies. Joshua fought the battle of Geritol and the fence fell over on the town.

After Joshua came David. He got to be king by killing a giant with a slingshot. He had a son named Solomon who had about 300 wives and 500 porcupines. My teacher says he was wise, but that doesn't sound very wise to me.

After Solomon there were a bunch of major league prophets. One of these was Jonah, who was swallowed by a big whale and then barfed up on the shore.

There were also some minor league prophets, but I guess we don't have to worry about them.

After the Old Testament came the New Testament. Jesus is the star of The New. He was born in Bethlehem in a barn. (I wish I had been born in a barn too, because my mom is always saying to me, 'Close the door! Were you born in a barn?' It would be nice to say, 'As a matter of fact, I was.')

During His life, Jesus had many arguments with sinners like the Pharisees and the Democrats.

Jesus also had twelve opossums.

The worst one was Judas Asparagus. Judas was so evil that they named a terrible vegetable after him.

Jesus was a great man. He healed many leopards and even preached to some Germans on the Mount.

But the Democrats and all those guys put Jesus on trial before Pontius the Pilot. Pilot didn't stick up for Jesus. He just washed his hands instead.

Anyways, Jesus died for our sins, then came back to life again. He went up to Heaven but will be back at the end of the Aluminum. His return is foretold in the book of Revolution.

142 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:58:31am

re: #138 the phantom

zombie - did you ever write up your political-philosophical position paper?

Not yet. Still to busy with non-blog work stuff.

Hopefully sometime later this year. Then the hate mail can really pour in.

143 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 12:59:06am

re: #140 gmsc

Genesis – Farthing Man

Nice rememberin'!

144 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:00:09am

re: #143 zombie

Nice rememberin'!

It's my specialty.
;)

145 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:00:09am

Outside air bags inflate to protect pedestrians in Europe

A high-tech air bag at the base of the windshield is being developed that would inflate whenever a pedestrian is in danger of being struck and hitting their head against the hood of a car, Wired.com's Autopia reports. The bag is being developed at Cranfield University in England in hopes it could significantly reduce pedestrian fatalities and injuries in the event of a crash.

/Europe is a no fun zone

146 The Other Les  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:00:58am
History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, “Can’t you remember anything I told you?” and lets fly with a club.

— John W. Campbell


Quoting John W. Campbell, the editor of Astounding and Analog. . Now that's hardcore.

147 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:01:21am

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

Here, chew on this groat cluster in the meantime.

I actually own a groat. It's one of my proudest possessions. I put it in my safe deposit box long ago, even though it's not worth much (because it's in terrible condition). Gee, I hadn't thought of it in such a long time. Thanks for reminding me! I also got some very very old "anna"s in there, from British India.

148 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:02:01am
149 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:03:57am
150 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:05:39am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

If a groat is in terrible condition, does it look groatesque?

To make it look better, have it grow a beard – perhaps a groatee.

151 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:07:36am

General Mills Cooking With First iPhone App

Even Betty Crocker is using the iPhone.

As marketers seek to strike a chord with time-pressed consumers, they've begun to turn to mobile devices.

Packaged goods giant General Mills (NYSE:GIS - News) dialed up its venerable food maven, Ms. Crocker, for its very first mobile marketing program. In February, the company launched the Betty Crocker mobile cookbook, a free application for Apple's (NasdaqGS:AAPL - News) popular iPhone.

The application contains more than 4,000 recipes, the same ones available at bettycrocker.com. General Mills hopes the application sends iPhone users to its Betty Crocker and other Web sites, sparking more purchases of its products.

/pfft, if it ain't Twitter it's crap

152 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:07:48am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

No annas from the King of Siam?

The title originally was "Anna and the King of Swat," but it didn't go over well with the test audiences, so they changed it.

153 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:08:58am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

If a groat is in terrible condition, does it look groatesque?

re: #150 gmsc

To make it look better, have it grow a beard – perhaps a groatee.

I'll wager you fourpence that this is the first groat-pun thread in the history of the Internet.

154 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:10:03am

re: #152 zombie

The title originally was "Anna and the King of Swat," but it didn't go over well with the test audiences, so they changed it.

Babe Ruth's home town?

155 The Other Les  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:10:20am

re: #56 BatGuano

Is that the John Campbell, science fiction editor?

It definitely sounds like nim.

156 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:10:23am

Bad fourpence puns elicit this response:

Groatn

157 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:10:59am

And now, The Matrix:

(Oh, this version of The Matrix is powered by Windows, so there may be a few glitches . . . )

158 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:11:16am
159 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:11:28am

re: #155 The Other Les

It definitely sounds like nim.


Nim who?

160 The Other Les  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:12:21am

re: #159 BignJames

Nim who?

Sorry. I meant him.

161 hazzyday  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:12:41am

re: #51 Iron Fist

I'm a little more dissatisfied with life lately. The Obama plan leaves with a vague sense of uncertainty. My confidence in him is not high.

162 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:13:04am

re: #155 The Other Les

It definitely sounds like nim.

No, nim is more like this:

And advanced nim is like this:

163 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:14:06am
164 zombie  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:16:02am

Actually, they are mentioned in the lyrics of that Jerry Lee Lewis song about catapulting big globs of molten fourpences over castle walls during medieval sieges:

"Goodness gracious, groat balls of fire!"

165 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:17:05am

re: #155 The Other Les

It definitely sounds like nim.

Speaking of nim, I wonder how redc1c4's rat problem is going.

166 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:18:05am

re: #26 Fenway_Nation

I'm late to the party, but it may simply have been that LNG no longer offered a cost advantage over Diesel.

Was this LNG (cryogenic liquid), or LPG (liquified propane/butane under moderate pressure)?

167 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:19:14am

re: #161 hazzyday

I'm a little more dissatisfied with life lately. The Obama plan leaves with a vague sense of uncertainty. My confidence in him is not high.


Cheer up! You've been deputized!

168 BatGuano  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:19:51am

Good night , all.

169 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:20:37am

re: #168 BatGuano

Good night , all.

G'Nite, BatGuano

170 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:21:39am

re: #168 BatGuano

'night...

171 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:29:46am

re: #161 hazzyday

I'm a little more dissatisfied with life lately. The Obama plan leaves with a vague sense of uncertainty. My confidence in him is not high.

I've been thinking that this uncertainty may have a silver lining.

For example, in the Chrysler Takeover, 0bama ignored the needs of senior creditors, the hedge fund investors who actually provide the credit, and gave a preferred status to the junior creditors, the UAW.

OK, fine – if actual creditors with money can't be certain of where they stand when dealing with the government, they'll just have to have more incentive to lend money to the government, most likely in the form of usurious or near-usurious rates.

That'll certainly put a real reign on government overspending, won't it?

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:30:07am

re: #162 gmsc

Interesting. I was thinking of something more... secretive.

173 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:30:48am

re: #145 Killian Bundy

Outside air bags inflate to protect pedestrians in Europe

/Europe is a no fun zone

Gee, I guess the spoil-sports would frown on my bayonet hood ornament.

174 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:31:59am

re: #171 gmsc

We'll always have Paris China...

/or not.

175 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:33:40am

re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth

Interesting. I was thinking of something more... secretive.

So was I . . .
re: #165 gmsc

Speaking of nim, I wonder how redc1c4's rat problem is going.

176 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:35:17am

re: #174 littleoldlady

We'll always have Paris China...

/or not.

Good morning, littleoldlady!

Until 0bama steps on China's toes creditwise. That will be interesting.


As it is, 0bama may already be making an enemy that could sabotage his presidency.

177 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:38:11am

re: #176 gmsc

The CIA! ROTFL!

Anyway, I think China has already stopped buying our debt.

/that's why we've been printing money like crazy.

Remember when we were kids (not you, gmsc, you're still a kid! ;-) and our parents would say, "Do you think money grows on trees?" Well, I think we're at risk of running out of TREES!

178 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:39:25am

Damn, watched the local news and it appears that a boss I had in my teens through my 20's just got married in Iowa. We used to call him Chester the child molester back at the Drive In in the 70s. Apparently he's had a stroke but seems to be doing okay.

/I'm not a big fan of gay marriage but I wish him well and a happy existence

179 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:40:53am

I had no idea that Dom Deluise just died.

You will be missed, Dom.

180 sngnsgt  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:52:32am
181 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:53:20am

re: #180 sngnsgt

Oh, great. Like I wasn't depressed enough already.

/THAT LONG?!

182 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:55:55am

re: #179 gmsc

I had no idea that Dom Deluise just died.

You will be missed, Dom.

Sad news indeed, GMSC.

183 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 1:56:58am

re: #181 littleoldlady

Oh, great. Like I wasn't depressed enough already.

/THAT LONG?!

The best summary I've heard so far is:

"Well, 0bama has just passed his first 100 days as president. First, he was sworn in on January 20, 2009. Then, he blamed Bush for everything that was wrong with the country. Now that we're caught up, what will 0bama achieve in his next 100 days?"

184 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:00:13am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

185 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:01:57am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

{lol} thanks and Good Morning

186 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:01:58am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy!

Functional fruitcup! (Better than last night's spinning fruitcup!)

187 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:03:03am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Fruitcup! What a pleasant surprise! Does it have kiwi fruit in it?

Thanks, littleoldlady.

188 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:04:06am

re: #187 Alberta Oil Peon

Fruitcup! What a pleasant surprise! Does it have kiwi fruit in it?

Thanks, littleoldlady.

I hope not as I get a bad reaction when I eat kiwi fruit.

189 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:04:45am

Erik! :-)

gmsc! :-)

Yeah! I was about to comment about how wonderful things are when they're normal. ;-)

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

No. No, blech!, kiwi.

190 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:05:03am

re: #188 Erik The Red

I hope not as I get a bad reaction when I eat kiwi fruit.

Well, you are supposed to peel it. All those little hairs might be irritating.

191 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:05:31am

There. You can blame Erik.

/and not the fact that I hate kiwi. ;-)

192 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:05:35am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Good morning!

193 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:06:46am

Matrix! :-)

194 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:07:14am

re: #191 littleoldlady

There. You can blame Erik.

/and not the fact that I hate kiwi. ;-)

Funny, I really like kiwi. Just a big, juicy berry is what they are. Now, shredded coconut is a non-food.

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:07:21am

Forget that busta-ass ShamWow. It ain't got shit on the supa-funky SlapChop!

196 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:07:58am

re: #191 littleoldlady

There. You can blame Erik.

/and not the fact that I hate kiwi. ;-)

It is the ONLY food that I can not eat. There are plenty that I refuse to eat a second time. I will try anything once.

197 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:09:04am

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

That woke up the dog!

/tail wagging
//I guess she liked it ;-)

Slumbering! :-)

198 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:09:09am

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

Forget that busta-ass ShamWow. It ain't got shit on the supa-funky SlapChop!

Well, there's 3 seconds of my life I will never get back.

199 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:09:27am

re: #191 littleoldlady

There. You can blame Erik.

/and not the fact that I hate kiwi. ;-)

Kiwi:

200 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:10:02am

re: #193 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

First night I've had in a few nights where I haven't had a ton of work and I could be on LGF.

I'm on 8 hours of sleep since Sat. night...**sigh**

201 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:11:17am

I don't like kiwi. It's too mushy when ripe, and inedible otherwise.

And there's only one way I'll eat cocomut.

202 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:12:46am

re: #201 littleoldlady

I don't like kiwi. It's too mushy when ripe, and inedible otherwise.

And there's only one way I'll eat cocomut.

Coconut, pineapple, mango, kiwi are all nauseating for me :-/

203 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:14:43am

re: #200 TheMatrix31

I wish my kid had your work ethic. :-/

204 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:14:54am

re: #201 littleoldlady

I don't like kiwi. It's too mushy when ripe, and inedible otherwise.

And there's only one way I'll eat cocomut.

Here's the proper way to prepare and slice a kiwi.
;)

205 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:15:43am

re: #192 TheMatrix31

Good morning!

Matrix, we were talking about you earlier!
;)

206 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:16:05am

re: #202 TheMatrix31

Coconut, pineapple, mango, kiwi are all nauseating for me :-/

Mangoes and ice cream are to die for! When I was in Costa Rica, I lived on the stuff. And I actually don't mind fresh coconut, or the water out of the green ones. Seems to be actually naturally carbonated. By dried shredded coconut tastes rancid to me, even in candy bars.

207 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:17:00am

re: #204 gmsc

Ugh!

208 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:17:03am

re: #196 Erik The Red

It is the ONLY food that I can not eat. There are plenty that I refuse to eat a second time. I will try anything once.


You first.

209 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:17:24am

re: #198 Alberta Oil Peon

Well, there's 3 seconds of my life I will never get back.

Now that's funny. Get's better after the first three seconds, though. Starts losing steam after the "you're gonna love my nuts" part.

I still want to see someone give the auto-tune treatment to this video. I'd do it myself, but I have neither the equipment nor the know-how.

210 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:18:08am

re: #205 gmsc

Matrix, we were talking about you earlier!
;)

Hooray!

Although that's not where my username is taken from ;)

211 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:19:40am

re: #208 BignJames

You can't eat that. It's already in the process of being eaten.

212 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:20:28am

re: #203 littleoldlady

I wish my kid had your work ethic. :-/

If I had any semblance of a work ethic, I wouldn't have left it for the night before things were due!

213 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:21:17am

re: #208 BignJames

Casu marzu is an illegal Sardinian cheese that is served riddled with writhing maggots that try to jump into your eyeballs as you eat it.

It must be legal and not out of a dumpster. :)

Yuck

214 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:25:01am

re: #208 BignJames

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What.The.Hell.

215 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:26:57am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

Okay, maybe work ethic is not exactly my daughter's problem. This kid is the worst test-taker in the history of the world. No joke. It started in pre-school. Both her pre-school teacher and her kindergarten teacher told me, "I don't understand how the smartest kid in the room can do so poorly on a test!"

I can't wait until she gets out of school.

/IF she gets out of school (with a degree). :-(

216 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:30:56am

re: #215 littleoldlady

Okay, maybe work ethic is not exactly my daughter's problem. This kid is the worst test-taker in the history of the world. No joke. It started in pre-school. Both her pre-school teacher and her kindergarten teacher told me, "I don't understand how the smartest kid in the room can do so poorly on a test!"

I can't wait until she gets out of school.

/IF she gets out of school (with a degree). :-(

School's definitely not for everyone. It's not for me, either!

217 rustler  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:31:11am

Hey Erik I'm getting my facebook page set up Finally hehe.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:31:15am
219 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:32:37am

re: #215 littleoldlady

Okay, maybe work ethic is not exactly my daughter's problem. This kid is the worst test-taker in the history of the world. No joke. It started in pre-school. Both her pre-school teacher and her kindergarten teacher told me, "I don't understand how the smartest kid in the room can do so poorly on a test!"

I can't wait until she gets out of school.

/IF she gets out of school (with a degree). :-(

I used to do very poor on tests. In 5th grade, I was tested to see not if I should be held back a year, but whether I should be placed in a remedial class.

They gave me a standard IQ test (measured, at the time, in points, not the percentages they do today). I got it back, and they determined my IQ was 156! I ask the school psychologist if this was good or bad news. He said, "Well, average is 100. Genius is 140. You're well beyond genius. What do you think?"

After that, I was put in advanced placement classes, and began to do much better, as I was more interested in what I was learning.

220 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:35:10am

Good morning everyone.
What the heck was wrong yesterday? Tried posting a comment and it just kep going and going but never posted.

221 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:35:36am

re: #214 TheMatrix31

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What.The.Hell.

The larvae have powerful mouthhooks which can lacerate stomach linings or intestinal walls as the maggots attempt to bore through internal organs.

Oh, yeah. That totally makes it all worthwhile.

I thought this was some kind of hoax. But apparently not.

And I thought Anthony Bourdain's encounter with warthog anus was nasty...

222 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:36:45am

re: #220 Scorch

Good morning everyone.
What the heck was wrong yesterday? Tried posting a comment and it just kep going and going but never posted.

For some reason, last night's open thread required you to hit your browser's reload button in order to see your post (and other newer posts).

223 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:37:00am

re: #217 rustler

Hey Erik I'm getting my facebook page set up Finally hehe.

So quick///

224 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:38:19am

re: #215 littleoldlady

Okay, maybe work ethic is not exactly my daughter's problem. This kid is the worst test-taker in the history of the world. No joke. It started in pre-school. Both her pre-school teacher and her kindergarten teacher told me, "I don't understand how the smartest kid in the room can do so poorly on a test!"

I can't wait until she gets out of school.

/IF she gets out of school (with a degree). :-(

Test-taking is a skill in itself, and can be taught. Many people try to over-think the answers to the questions, and get tripped up. I'm sure you could find a coach or tutor who could help your daughter with her test-taking skills.

225 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:38:59am

re: #221 SixDegrees

Oh, yeah. That totally makes it all worthwhile.

I thought this was some kind of hoax. But apparently not.

And I thought Anthony Bourdain's encounter with warthog anus was nasty...

DEFINITELY not Wiki'ing that.

226 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:39:33am

re: #217 rustler

Hey Erik I'm getting my facebook page set up Finally hehe.

A little advice – stay away from the LGF facebook group. That group was started by LGF haters who love to lure LGFers there, where they can find out more about them, such as where they live and, in some cases, even what their real names and addresses are.

One way or another, they'll use that information to harass you.

227 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:41:47am

re: #219 gmsc

Yeah, she did better in AP and advanced classes, too. Probably because they were subjects that interested her.

Those IQ tests are a double-edged sword. When I was in grade school every report card said the same thing, to the point where my mother would say, "Don't bother showing it to me. Let me guess...it says, 'She is a pleasure to have in class but she can do much better on her grades!'"

;-)

228 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:41:53am

re: #225 TheMatrix31

DEFINITELY not Wiki'ing that.


Give it to Erik...he said he'll try anything once.

229 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:43:33am

re: #224 Alberta Oil Peon

I have tried tutors, educators, psychologists...at some point it's time to give up. :-(

230 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:43:58am

re: #228 BignJames

Give it to Erik...he said he'll try anything once.

Lets see. It is pig after all.

231 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:45:00am

re: #215 littleoldlady
Our two younger sons hated school and eventually ended up quitting and taking the GED which both of them passed easily. I really wanted them to go to college but they both refused to do but now since they are close to their 30's they are beginning to regret it...I think. Just the experience of a few years somewhere else would of given them some different perspectives on a lot of things. Good or bad I feel sorry they missed them.

232 BignJames  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:45:33am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Lets see. It is pig after all.


You could have a sandwich...or play ring toss.

233 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:45:46am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Lets see. It is pig after all.

If I had to choose between the two, maggot cheese would definitely lose out to Hog Hole, which at least is cooked and not throbbing while you eat it.

234 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:46:55am

re: #229 littleoldlady

I have tried tutors, educators, psychologists...at some point it's time to give up. :-(

A tutor who tooted a flute tried to tutor two tooters to toot. Said the two to their tutor, "Is it harder to toot or tutor two tooters to toot?"

235 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:47:13am

re: #231 Scorch

Our two younger sons hated school and eventually ended up quitting and taking the GED which both of them passed easily. I really wanted them to go to college but they both refused to do but now since they are close to their 30's they are beginning to regret it...I think. Just the experience of a few years somewhere else would of given them some different perspectives on a lot of things. Good or bad I feel sorry they missed them.

It is never too late for college. I went back at thirty, took ten years to get my degree (working full time simultaneously) and don't regret a minute of it.

236 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:48:20am

re: #235 SixDegrees

It is never too late for college. I went back at thirty, took ten years to get my degree (working full time simultaneously) and don't regret a minute of it.

And now you have six degrees? Wow!

237 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:49:45am

re: #231 Scorch

The thing is, she LIKES school. And she's getting a lot out of it, even if it's not (all) academic. College is a good place to grow up.

If your sons regret not taking the courses as opposed to not having the "college experience", I highly recommend night classes. I did so much better in grad school with a couple of years working full time under my belt.

238 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:51:24am

The Copper Clapper Caper:

239 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:58:52am

re: #237 littleoldlady
They grew up on the farm and just boxing them up in a classroom seemed to really bother them. I wish these new schools at least had windows which could be opened or at least allowed the students to see outside. Neither one of them like studying still but one completed his courses at A & M to become a certified fire fighter and the youngest turned down an opportunity to fly for Delta airlines a few years ago. They both chose to stay on the farm. Nuts don't fall far from the tree I guess. :)

240 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 2:59:44am

BTW, another meltdown happening downstairs on the original Melanie Phillips creationism thread... complete with the requisite claims of "Inquisition"... they just won't let sleeping thread lie...

241 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:01:11am

The Globe's union employees have agreed to a pay cut.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:01:26am

G'nite Lizards. Time for me to nom and hit the sack.

Laters

243 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:03:21am

'Night, Slumbering! :-)

'Morning, Mandy! :-)

244 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:03:21am

re: #241 MandyManners

The Globe's union employees have agreed to a pay cut.

Is Clark Kent union? Oh, wait, that was the Daily Planet, wasn't it?

245 gmsc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:04:03am

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

G'nite Lizards. Time for me to nom and hit the sack.

Laters

Sounds like a good idea!

Good night, all!

246 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:05:29am

re: #243 littleoldlady

Good morning, lol!

247 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:05:37am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

248 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:05:47am

re: #241 MandyManners

Only delaying the inevitable.

Morning Lizards.

249 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:06:09am

re: #244 Alberta Oil Peon

Is Clark Kent union? Oh, wait, that was the Daily Planet, wasn't it?

I've always thought that the name of that paper is rather tabloidish.

250 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:06:31am

re: #235 SixDegrees
That is an option I would like to see them take. They are both very intelligent and just knowing they had a degree would be a feather in the caps for both of them.

251 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:06:58am

good night, good morning; choose your poison. Nap time for me.

252 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:07:48am

rightside! :-)

253 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:07:55am

Cya gmsc
Morning rightside.

254 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:08:17am

re: #248 rightside

Only delaying the inevitable.

Morning Lizards.

From what I've heard, they've agreed to a 20 per cent cut. That's pretty significant.

255 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:08:35am

re: #252 littleoldlady

re: #253 Scorch

lol!

Scorch!

256 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:09:28am

re: #254 MandyManners

They're putting a bandaid on a severed carotid and jugular.

Before the end of the year, they'll close.

257 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:09:38am

Senate Democrats Deny Specter Committee Seniority

...In a unanimous voice vote, the Senate approved a resolution that added Specter to the Democratic side of the dais on the five committees on which he serves, an expected move that gives Democrats larger margins on key panels such as Judiciary and Appropriations.

But Democrats placed Specter in one of the two most junior slots on each of the five committees for the remainder of this Congress, which goes through December 2010. Democrats have suggested that they will consider revisiting Specter's seniority claim at the committee level only after the midterm elections next year.

"This is all going to be negotiated next Congress," Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said tonight.

Specter's office declined to comment.

Without any assurance of seniority, Specter loses a major weapon in his campaign to win reelection in 2010: the ability to claim that his nearly 30 years of Senate service places him in key positions to benefit his constituents.

Tonight's committee resolution, quickly read on the Senate floor by Reid himself, contradicts Specter's assertion last Tuesday when he publicly announced his move from the Republican side of the aisle. He told reporters that he retained his seniority both in the overall chamber and in the committees on which he serves. Specter said that becoming chairman of the Appropriations Committee was a personal goal of his, one that would be within reach if he were granted his seniority on the panel and placed as the third-most senior Democrat there...


Not great strategery there, Arlen.

What a doofus!

258 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:10:04am

re: #241 MandyManners

Morning 2M.

259 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:10:26am

re: #248 rightside

Only delaying the inevitable.

Morning Lizards.

Morning rs.

260 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:10:54am

re: #259 Erik The Red

Erik!

261 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:11:00am

Gotta' pick up a copy of Vanity Fair this week for the Madoff article.

262 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:11:13am

re: #255 rightside
Now your not laughing about my mismedicating myself last week are you? :)

263 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:11:47am

J.D.! :-)

All Specter cared about was staying in office.

/at any price

264 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:11:51am

re: #262 Scorch

No? I missed that.

265 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:12:56am

Good morning, Lizards.

266 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:12:58am

re: #256 rightside

They're putting a bandaid on a severed carotid and jugular.

Before the end of the year, they'll close.

I'm not one to be happy when papers fold. Perhaps it's due to my once being a reporter. Perhaps it's due to my knowing that the editorial staff is just one part of a paper.

267 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:13:21am

re: #264 rightside
Whew...good, forget I even mentioned it.

268 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:13:29am

re: #258 Erik The Red

Good morning, Erik!

269 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:13:49am

re: #265 SurferDoc

Good morning, Lizards.

Doc good morning

270 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:14:05am

re: #265 SurferDoc

Top of the morning, SurferDoc!

271 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:14:31am

Hiya, Erik!

272 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:14:41am

re: #266 MandyManners

I'm not gloating. But print is dead. Couple that with the trash they sling, and it is inevitable.

Even if they go online only, they'll operate at a loss consistently, IMO.

273 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:14:46am

Hi MM!

274 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:15:08am

re: #257 J.D.

Senate Democrats Deny Specter Committee Seniority


Not great strategery there, Arlen.

What a doofus!

Now, that's sweet.

275 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:15:19am

re: #265 SurferDoc

Morning!

276 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:15:32am

SurferDoc! :-)

Boy, I must be late leaving.

/or more people have joined the Insomnimaniacs

Remedying the situation... :-(

Good day, ALL!™

277 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:15:43am

re: #263 littleoldlady

J.D.! :-)

All Specter cared about was staying in office.

/at any price

littleoldlady!

He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?

Ridge May Run for Specter's Senate Seat
I could vote for him.

278 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:15:49am

re: #276 littleoldlady

have a great day!

279 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:16:35am

re: #272 rightside

I'm not gloating. But print is dead. Couple that with the trash they sling, and it is inevitable.

Even if they go online only, they'll operate at a loss consistently, IMO.

What will fill the hole? With print, you cannot shove things down the memory-hole the way you can with the Internet.

280 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:17:10am

re: #256 rightside

They're putting a bandaid on a severed carotid and jugular.

Before the end of the year, they'll close.

For many years when I was younger the Boston Herald in it's different forms was always on the brink of death. Now the Globe is there, somehow I think it will survive maybe in a different form. Either way the Globe and Herald both are about half ads and the rest news, columns and assorted stuff. After the coverage, or lack thereof of the Boston Tea Party rallies on April 15 the Globe doesn't really cover news anyhow. They used an AP feed on a rally in Frankfort KY for their coverage.

281 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:17:16am

re: #274 MandyManners

Looks like he forgot who he was dealing with.

282 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:18:17am

Hi rightside!

G'Nite Lil Old Lady, I just stopped lurking sooner tonite!

283 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:18:29am

re: #263 littleoldlady

J.D.! :-)

All Specter cared about was staying in office.

/at any price

In that aspect Specter is just like all the rest of them.

284 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:18:36am

FCBBHO is refusing to release the photographs from that idiotic flight over NYC. He'll release photographs of harsh interrogation techniques or the coffins of dead servicemembers but, not these.

THOSE ARE OUR PHOTOGRAPHS!

285 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:19:30am

re: #280 soxfan4life

They used an AP feed on a rally in Frankfort KY for their coverage.


Strange.

286 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:20:21am

re: #281 J.D.

Looks like he forgot who he was dealing with.

I'm sure he's happy that he still has his seat.

287 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:21:46am

re: #277 J.D.

Oh boy! Things are really getting interesting now!

/boy would I give a lot to get rid of Sestak!

The only one missing in the mix is Santorum. ;-)

288 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:22:06am

Good morning, Lizards.

289 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:22:10am

re: #284 MandyMannersThe guy has done a lot of damage in a little more than three months at the expense of all of us.

290 littleoldlady  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:23:12am

goddess! :-)

Okay, now I'm REALLY *p00f*ing...

;-)

291 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:23:46am

re: #279 MandyManners

What will fill the hole? With print, you cannot shove things down the memory-hole the way you can with the Internet.

I do not know what will fill it. But there will be something. Perhaps a kindle type device that people can pull up the lastest "newspaper"

It's outlived it's usefulness much like 35mm film did. With the advent of digital photography, that type of film has declined to near nothing. Yes there is still some to be had, and for movies and things of that nature.

Valid point. Google, the great keeper of knowledge, can manipulate data and make it vanish, like the old soviet union. Even if you can take a screenshot of something online, that can so easily be altered, it will redefine how we prove things for the future.

292 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:24:12am

re: #288 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

293 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:24:29am

re: #286 MandyManners

I'm sure he's happy that he still has his seat.

Not much honor on either side, is there?

294 Pass The Moonbaticide  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:24:42am

re: #287 littleoldlady
Ah , LittleOldLady !

Brush up on your Spanish , and translate :

Donde es le Fruitcup ?

(Whoops , slipped into French there )

295 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:24:50am

re: #290 littleoldlady
Cya littleoldlady
Morning goddess

296 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:24:59am

re: #288 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning, goddess!

297 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:25:05am

re: #285 J.D.

Strange.

That's extremely bad journalism. Ignoring what's on your own front lawn...it's inexplicable.

298 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:25:38am

{rightside}
{MandyManners}
{JD}
{Scorch}
{littleoldlady}
{surferdoc}

299 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:25:50am

re: #288 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess!

300 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:26:26am

re: #289 Scorch

The guy has done a lot of damage in a little more than three months at the expense of all of us.

My gut told me not to give the creep any benefit of the doubt.

301 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:26:55am

re: #284 MandyManners

FCBBHO is refusing to release the photographs from that idiotic flight over NYC. He'll release photographs of harsh interrogation techniques or the coffins of dead servicemembers but, not these.

THOSE ARE OUR PHOTOGRAPHS!

I am beginnig to think he had some big money foreign donor on board that he doesn't want us to know about.

302 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:27:05am

Flying hugs all over the room! ;-)

303 Scorch  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:27:42am

Off myself. You all have a great day!

304 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:28:21am

re: #291 rightside

I don't think print has outlived its usefullness. Not everyone has access to the Internet.

305 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:28:57am

re: #302 SurferDoc

do you have a spare Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator?

306 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:29:22am

re: #297 MandyManners

That's extremely bad journalism. Ignoring what's on your own front lawn...it's inexplicable.

Journalism has been in a steady decline for quite some time now.
Maybe it wasn't ever really very good at all?

307 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:29:27am

re: #293 J.D.

Not much honor on either side, is there?

He's a scalliwag.

308 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:30:02am

re: #304 MandyManners

I can see it now, a new program to "get the internet to everybody"

309 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:30:06am

re: #301 soxfan4life

I am beginnig to think he had some big money foreign donor on board that he doesn't want us to know about.

I wish someone would file a FOIA on him.

310 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:30:12am

re: #298 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning.

311 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:31:04am

re: #306 J.D.

Journalism has been in a steady decline for quite some time now.
Maybe it wasn't ever really very good at all?

Yes, it once was quite good. It still can be.

312 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:31:11am

re: #304 MandyManners

I don't think print has outlived its usefullness. Not everyone has access to the Internet.

I think reorganizing under bankruptcy and reemerging in a different form is what they need. One of the biggest sticking points between the unions and the NYT was a jobs for life clause they had at the Globe. Much like the legacy contracts of the UAW it needs to be revised or let it die.

313 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:32:14am

re: #308 rightside

I can see it now, a new program to "get the internet to everybody"

And subject all to the manipulation of knowledge with the use of the memory hole.

314 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:33:07am

re: #309 MandyManners

I wish someone would file a FOIA on him.

Don't you think his team of lawyers would be on that faster than you can blink? You would have a better chance of him admitting he did hear Jeremiah Wright on the pulpit.

315 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:33:39am

re: #313 MandyManners

George Orwell was only off 30 years or so.

316 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:34:04am

re: #312 soxfan4life

I think reorganizing under bankruptcy and reemerging in a different form is what they need. One of the biggest sticking points between the unions and the NYT was a jobs for life clause they had at the Globe. Much like the legacy contracts of the UAW it needs to be revised or let it die.

Unions certainly are under increasing pressure nowadays. Why shouldn't they be? It's nonsense that they should be a protected class when management is not protected.

317 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:34:05am

re: #25 zombie

It's the more PC/2009/passive-aggressive version of, "Yo, Bitch, you SUCK!" I suppose you should feel a tiny bit relieved they at least ease into it, like a prickly sock ;-)

318 rustler  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:34:26am

A shirt for GMSC.

319 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:35:02am

re: #314 soxfan4life

Don't you think his team of lawyers would be on that faster than you can blink? You would have a better chance of him admitting he did hear Jeremiah Wright on the pulpit.

So? Those are our photographs.

320 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:36:15am

re: #315 rightside

George Orwell was only off 30 years or so.

I wonder what he would think of not just FCBBHO but, the Internet as well.

321 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:37:18am

re: #25 zombie

What is it with the hypersensitivity epidemic? Any other blog-owners noticing this trend? Every day this year, with increasing frequency, I get somewhere around 3 to 5 emails that start, "I admire you, BUT your position/comment/post on ..." with the rest being a complaint about something I've done or written.

What's up with that?

It's this age's letter to the editor?

322 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:37:25am

Wow, we just had an honest to goodness Shroud of Turin cultist show up one flight down... Registered in 2004, total of 20 posts, you know the drill...

323 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:39:58am

re: #322 freetoken

Wow, we just had an honest to goodness Shroud of Turin cultist show up one flight down... Registered in 2004, total of 20 posts, you know the drill...

Five whole years to get warmed up?

324 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:40:13am

re: #316 MandyManners

Unions certainly are under increasing pressure nowadays. Why shouldn't they be? It's nonsense that they should be a protected class when management is not protected.

There's plenty of history on both sides for them not to trust each other. On the unions side why should the worker give up anything when the CEO's are getting millions for running the company into the ground. Somehow it all needs to get worked out. Maybe like a salary cap in sports. Give the workers a percentage of gross profits for payroll and let them decide how it gets divided and have different groups given access to the books and make a checks and balances type of system. As for the UAW legacy deals, I would tell them here's the deal you are getting x% for your pension and benefits or we are going Out of Business. Something is better than nothing.

325 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:40:16am

From one of the blogs pushed by said cultists:

I attended one Tea party in Moriarty, NM and one in Albuquerque, NM. The turnout in both was higher than expected. In the morning, as I was as my desk waiting on the Father, He said that the movement is from Him.

Hey... if God ordered the Tea Parties, who are we to object?

326 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:41:05am

re: #288 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

{goddess}

327 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:41:53am

re: #326 Erik The Red

{goddess}

{Erik the Red}

328 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:42:14am

I got up an hour early and it's now time to get the coffee flowing. bbiab

329 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:42:42am

re: #319 MandyManners

So? Those are our photographs.


Given the treatment Joe the plumber and Carrie Prejean have been given, anyone who filed a FOIA request for those photo's would look forward to visiting a proctologist once the media was done investigating them. Good to see free speech is alive and well in America today.

330 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:45:37am

re: #322 freetoken

Late night downdingers, the daynappers. They show up like vampires, leaving their secret little vampire markings on the rocks and trees for the other vampires to gloat over.

331 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:46:53am
re: Just For the Record [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

To say "not a fan" would be an understatement, but give me a break.

The breaking news here though seems to be that some actual terrorists are barred from Londonistan.

Named and shamed: the 16 barred from UK
05/06 06:18 AMShare


No, really!

Making up the rest of the 16 named by the Home Office today are preachers Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi and Amir Siddique, Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa (previously Clarence Reams), murderer and Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar and Kashmiri terror group leader Nasr Javed.
332 Pass The Moonbaticide  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:46:57am

re: #325 freetoken
So God can organise the Tea Parties to Object to Obama after the election, but He didn't think to organise something to prevent his election beforehand ?
This is the sort of knots you can get tied up in if you believe that God directs political thought.

333 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:47:24am

re: #330 theheat

Late night downdingers, the daynappers. They show up like vampires, leaving their secret little vampire markings on the rocks and trees for the other vampires to gloat over.

Why would someone want to lurk just to downding people? Seems foolish to me.

334 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:48:20am

re: #333 soxfan4life

Nothing good on cable.

335 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:48:23am

re: #324 soxfan4life

Gonna' upset a lot of applecarts.

336 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:48:50am

re: #330 theheat

Its quite the puzzle... someone registers on a blog and then takes 5 years to make a few comments, then only comes in to piss on the floor, all the while rambling on incoherently. In this case the rambler is pushing alleged pictures of Jesus (based off the Shroud of Turin, supposedly), sending them out all over the world to heal people.

Now, I am not one to actually trample on another person's faith - if someone ill is hoping for God to heal them - good. But to send out textile icons based upon man-made drawings...

337 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:50:07am

re: #329 soxfan4life

Given the treatment Joe the plumber and Carrie Prejean have been given, anyone who filed a FOIA request for those photo's would look forward to visiting a proctologist once the media was done investigating them. Good to see free speech is alive and well in America today.

I've never heard of anyone catching heat from the MFM for filing a FOIA. Heck, it's one of the most powerful tools available to the MFM themselves.

338 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:51:41am

re: #336 freetoken

Who knows. They could be off their meds, or maybe the stars are lined up just right, they come out of the woodwork to traverse the internet with all the things their toaster revealed to them.

Or, they're simply crazy.

339 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:54:28am

Fox has on an Iraqi vet who has two new legs. Awesome SCIENCE.

340 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:55:19am

Another drive by post...
I had sushi the other night in Ueno with my GF's father, brother and his wife. I was asked "What is the difference between Democrats and Republicans? They seem to be the same thing." The best answer I could come up with is "Democrats are The Union, and Republicans are Management". The light went on for my GF's brother (he's management).
But they sure love the "0" (pronounced zero) here in the land of the rising sun...
Dinner time...maybe BBL...
Jamata...

341 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:57:19am

re: #339 MandyManners

Is this the ex-basketball player, a younger black woman? If it's the same one, I saw her on a show a few weeks ago, and it was just amazing.

342 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:58:27am

I'm gonna' brag for a moment. The Kid knows every book in the Old Testament and can recited them in order. He also knows what each grouping is.

343 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:58:54am

re: #341 theheat

Is this the ex-basketball player, a younger black woman? If it's the same one, I saw her on a show a few weeks ago, and it was just amazing.

It's a man, a colonel.

344 Pass The Moonbaticide  Wed, May 6, 2009 3:59:24am

re: #339 MandyManners
Our local news is covering a British Army vet who lost both legs to an Antipersonnel mine in Iraq who is still on the London Marathon, and determined to finish under his own effort, more than a week after all the other runners have finished.
These men are considerably more heroic than some our shallow societies call 'Heroes' .

345 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:00:31am

re: #344 Pass The Moonbaticide


Our local news is covering a British Army vet who lost both legs to an Antipersonnel mine in Iraq who is still on the London Marathon, and determined to finish under his own effort, more than a week after all the other runners have finished.
These men are considerably more heroic than some our shallow societies call 'Heroes' .

Talk about tenacity!

346 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:01:42am

re: #342 MandyManners

I'm gonna' brag for a moment. The Kid knows every book in the Old Testament and can recited them in order. He also knows what each grouping is.

Good for him! A knowledge of the Bible is essential to a well-educated person. When I taught American lit, I had to explain all the allusions. One girl said, "I thought it was against the law to teach us religion." I took a deep breath and answered, "I am not teaching you what to believe; I'm teaching you what these writers believed because if you don't understand that, none of their work will make sense."

347 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:03:01am

Obama's preparing the bus undercarriage for Israel(like this move is some big fuckin surprise): Secret U.S.-Israel nuclear accord in jeopardy

[...]
The issue will likely come to a head when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with Mr. Obama on May 18 in Washington. Mr. Netanyahu is expected to seek assurances from Mr. Obama that he will uphold the U.S. commitment and will not trade Israeli nuclear concessions for Iranian ones.

Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller, speaking Tuesday at a U.N. meeting on the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), said Israel should join the treaty, which would require Israel to declare and relinquish its nuclear arsenal.

348 Tman71  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:03:42am

For all you:
Terrorists
Right Wing Extremists
Returning Vets
Anti-immigation folk out there

Your text to link...

Haven't been around for awhile, hello to LOL and everyone else I know : )

349 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:04:54am

Time to run--take care!

350 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:05:05am
...Last September, when he was just a harmless physicist playing laser tag with atoms, [Energy Secretary Steven] Chu told The Wall Street Journal that Americans were a pack of hairless wussies for complaining about $4-a-gallon gas.

''Somehow,'' he proclaimed, ''we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,'' which at the time hovered around $8 a gallon.

Now, faced with selling those numbers to voters, Chu says he was just goofin'. Asked last month during a congressional hearing if the idea of charging more for a gallon of gas than for a share of TiVo stock wasn't ''a little bit silly,'' Chu sighed, ``Yes.''

Let's hope that Homeland Security boss Janet Napolitano will do some similar rethinking. First she pooh-poohed a federal crackdown on illegal immigration -- not on grounds of economics or humanitarianism but because it isn't, ummm, illegal. ''Crossing the border [without a visa] is not a crime per se,'' Napolitano, evidently working from a Reader's Digest version of the U.S. Code that doesn't include 8 U.S.C. 1325, assured a surprised CNN reporter.

Then Napolitano warned that all that tasteless talk about kidnappings and murders on the Mexican border was distracting Americans from the real threat: those snow monkeys up north. ''To the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border,'' she sternly informed Canadian Broadcasting Corp. last month.

The Montreal Gazette, noting that not a single one of the 19 of the Sept. 11 hijackers entered the United States through Canada, reported her interview under the headline U.S. security boss is guilty of borderline stupidity. Maybe so, fellows, but Napolitano's now being mentioned as a potential Supreme Court justice. If I were you, I'd shut up and crawl back inside my igloo.


A lot of talk, too little clarity
Janet Napolitano a Supreme Court justice?

351 UncleRancher  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:08:00am

re: #284 MandyManners

FCBBHO is refusing to release the photographs from that idiotic flight over NYC. He'll release photographs of harsh interrogation techniques or the coffins of dead servicemembers but, not these.

THOSE ARE OUR PHOTOGRAPHS!

I believe the "photographs" are of people running up and down the street screaming and flapping their arms trying to get out of harm's way. That's what I would have been doing if I happened to be there at the time.

352 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:08:42am

re: #346 goddessoftheclassroom

Good for him! A knowledge of the Bible is essential to a well-educated person. When I taught American lit, I had to explain all the allusions. One girl said, "I thought it was against the law to teach us religion." I took a deep breath and answered, "I am not teaching you what to believe; I'm teaching you what these writers believed because if you don't understand that, none of their work will make sense."

Yes, it would be hard to understand our pre-colonial and colonial history without understanding what the Pilgrims believed.

353 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:11:01am

re: #351 UncleRancher

I believe the "photographs" are of people running up and down the street screaming and flapping their arms trying to get out of harm's way. That's what I would have been doing if I happened to be there at the time.

No. The photographs are of the plane taken by government photographers. The footage you see on television was made by regular folks.

354 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:12:14am

What I don't understand is why Fox is just giving the administration line with very little outrage. Sure, they're mocking it but, mockery is not outrage.

355 UncleRancher  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:12:43am

re: #353 MandyManners

No. The photographs are of the plane taken by government photographers. The footage you see on television was made by regular folks.

Some people have trouble tellin' when I'm a pullin' their leg.

356 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:14:05am

Morning Lizards,

You know when the day is going to go smashingly well, when the cat is yelling at you, your toast is totally burnt, and one of the lenses of your glasses pops out...right into your coffee cup.

357 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:14:09am

FCBBHO is STILL campaigning through those Clean Coal ads. I wonder who's making money off this.

358 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:14:34am

Good Morning LGF

359 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:15:00am

re: #355 UncleRancher

Some people have trouble tellin' when I'm a pullin' their leg.

Well, I've had about eight sips of coffee so maybe my wits will get sharper soon.

360 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:15:40am

re: #356 Mithrax

Morning Lizards,

You know when the day is going to go smashingly well, when the cat is yelling at you, your toast is totally burnt, and one of the lenses of your glasses pops out...right into your coffee cup.

Is the coffee black?

361 Pass The Moonbaticide  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:15:56am

re: #353 MandyManners
BBC reported that the plane involved wasn't even Air Force One, but one of the Presidential Lookalikes.

Just how many Air Force Ones are there ?

362 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:15:59am

re: #358 Spare O'Lake

What's up?

363 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:16:05am

re: #360 MandyManners

Is the coffee black?

Always.

364 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:16:10am

Asa bit of interest on the Whole NYC fly over thing, someone on the net Noted that the F-16 was from the Tuskeegee Airmen squadron. Make of that what you will

[Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

[Link: www.f-16.net...]

365 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:16:45am

re: #361 Pass The Moonbaticide


BBC reported that the plane involved wasn't even Air Force One, but one of the Presidential Lookalikes.

Just how many Air Force Ones are there ?

From what I've seen on the History Channel, there are two.

366 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:17:13am

re: #363 Mithrax

Always.

At least you don't have to deal with the stickiness of cream and sugar!

367 UncleRancher  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:17:20am

re: #361 Pass The Moonbaticide


BBC reported that the plane involved wasn't even Air Force One, but one of the Presidential Lookalikes.

Just how many Air Force Ones are there ?

Actually, there are more than one, but the flight does not get the AF1 designation unless the president is on board.

368 Pass The Moonbaticide  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:18:08am

re: #356 Mithrax
How's the cat with Lottery numbers ?

Euromillions Jackpot has rolled over five times, and is now £110 Million (about $180M)

That's enough to be going on with .

369 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:18:14am

re: #361 Pass The Moonbaticide

I've understood there are 3 at any given time. I don't have anything to link to, but there are 2 decoys along with the one he is flying on.

370 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:19:17am

re: #364 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Asa bit of interest on the Whole NYC fly over thing, someone on the net Noted that the F-16 was from the Tuskeegee Airmen squadron. Make of that what you will

[Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

[Link: www.f-16.net...]

President Barack Obama ordered an internal review to determine who made the decision, and director of the White House Military Office Louis Caldera shouldered some of the blame for the mission.

THE BUCK STOPS AT YOUR DESK, YOU FUCKING MORON.

371 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:19:23am

re: #366 MandyManners

At least you don't have to deal with the stickiness of cream and sugar!

Oh lord no.

Many moons ago, I was helping my brother move his then girlfriend's stuff into an apt. Nice girl, really bright, but she forgot to ask what kind of coffee I drank.

So while she was kind enough to get us coffees, she assumed that I drank what my brother drank.

Triple-triple.

I took one swig of this (thinking it was black) and damn near puked.

372 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:19:43am

re: #368 Pass The Moonbaticide


How's the cat with Lottery numbers ?

Euromillions Jackpot has rolled over five times, and is now £110 Million (about $180M)

That's enough to be going on with .

No better than I am :P

373 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:20:01am

re: #362 MandyManners

What's up?

All political posturing aside, I do not see how Israel can ever agree to relinquish its nuclear option. Netanyahu needs to make this absolutely clear to Obama if he has not yet done so.
Of course, I do not believe that the USA can ever agree to relinquish its own nuclear option, but what do I know?/

374 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:21:36am

re: #371 Mithrax

Oh lord no.

Many moons ago, I was helping my brother move his then girlfriend's stuff into an apt. Nice girl, really bright, but she forgot to ask what kind of coffee I drank.

So while she was kind enough to get us coffees, she assumed that I drank what my brother drank.

Triple-triple.

I took one swig of this (thinking it was black) and damn near puked.

I like a little coffee with my cream.

375 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:22:14am

Obama's Prosecutions by Proxy
By John R. Bolton

...ad_icon

Despite uncertainties here, developments overseas proceed apace. Spanish Magistrate Baltasar Garzón opened a formal investigation last week of six Bush administration lawyers for their roles in advising on interrogation techniques. Garzón did so over the objections of Spain's attorney general, as he did in 1998 in proceeding against former Chilean president Augusto Pinochet. Under Spain's inquisitorial judicial system, Garzón is essentially unaccountable, whatever the views of Spain's elected government.

Asked repeatedly about Garzón's investigation, the State Department has said only that it is a matter for the Spanish judicial system. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder went further, implying that the Obama administration could cooperate. "Obviously, we would look at any request that would come from a court in any country and see how and whether we should comply with it," Holder said. This is deeply troubling. Obama appears to be following the John Ehrlichman approach, letting the U.S. lawyers "twist slowly, slowly in the wind." Garzón's is far from a run-of-the-mill police investigation in which an American tourist abroad runs afoul of some local ordinance. Indeed, from what appears publicly, U.S. consular officials would do more for the tourist than Obama is doing for the former Bush officials. If Obama is attempting to end the Garzón investigation, it is one of our best-kept secrets in decades. ...

376 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:22:20am
"If I were them, I think I'd get less publicity by putting them out rather than by keeping them in," Bloomberg said.

In administrations past, the cover-up would be a bigger story than the actual flight. However, FCBBHO probably figures that the MFM are on his side.

Why doesn't The Wall Street Journal slap a FOIA on the White House?

377 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:26:53am

re: #373 Spare O'Lake

Netanyahu (to Obama): "You're not the boss of me."

Obama: "Am too."

Netanyahu: "Are not."

Obama: "Am so."

Netanyahu: "Am not. Not, not, not, a billions times squared am not."

If this isn't the conversation Netanyahu has with Obama, then he has no interest in the survival of his own country. The Israelis need to understand nobody gives a shit whether they live or die, except them. That's the sad reality of it - everything any other nation says always boils down to lip service. The only way to ensure they can survive is with a nuclear option - the big hammer when things go to hell.

378 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:28:14am

re: #371 Mithrax

Oh lord no.

Many moons ago, I was helping my brother move his then girlfriend's stuff into an apt. Nice girl, really bright, but she forgot to ask what kind of coffee I drank.

So while she was kind enough to get us coffees, she assumed that I drank what my brother drank.

Triple-triple.

I took one swig of this (thinking it was black) and damn near puked.

What's triple-triple?

I'll never forget the first time I drank black coffee. It was during an interview for a position as a bureau chief. The night before, my two cats had got into a huge fight on my bed and one took a chunk of flesh out of my stomach. Cleaning the wound woke me straight up. Not even 2.5 mg of Valium would help me sleep.

So, I drove about an hour to the paper's office on no sleep. When the ME asked me if I wanted coffee he told me that there was no cream or sugar available. I said, "Pff. I don't use those any way." Man, you could've stripped paint with that stuff. It made my elbows sweat. (I later found out that that was a test, that they didn't trust folks who can't drink it straight.) Whatever, I got the job.

379 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:29:20am

re: #373 Spare O'Lake

All political posturing aside, I do not see how Israel can ever agree to relinquish its nuclear option. Netanyahu needs to make this absolutely clear to Obama if he has not yet done so.
Of course, I do not believe that the USA can ever agree to relinquish its own nuclear option, but what do I know?/

Is FCBBHO telling Israel to give up it's nuke?

380 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:30:00am

As bad as David Souter's been on the Supreme Court, the idea of the Chosen One naming a justice terrifies me.

Janet Napoletano?
Hillary?
Someone even worse?

381 Ateam  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:30:16am

re: #376 MandyManners

In administrations past, the cover-up would be a bigger story than the actual flight. However, FCBBHO probably figures that the MFM are on his side.

Why doesn't The Wall Street Journal slap a FOIA on the White House?

sorry, but what meaning MFM?

382 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:30:38am

Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?

383 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:31:19am

re: #381 Ateam

sorry, but what meaning MFM?

Mother-fucking media.

384 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:31:43am

re: #381 Ateam

sorry, but what meaning MFM?

M other
F ucking
M edia

Coined by Mandy, I think.

385 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:32:06am

re: #382 MandyManners

Sponge Bob Square Pants.

386 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:33:09am

re: #378 MandyManners

Triple-Triple is basically three creams and three sugars. In Canada, you go to your local Tim Horton's and they have their own measurements but it's a close equivilent to putting in one creamer and one small package of sugar.

I can remember I was in heaven years ago, whilst visiting an ex-gf in Toledo. There was a Tim Hortons...in freakin Toledo!

So I walk up to the counter like a kid in a candy store and I ask for two extra large black coffees (I had a 5 hour car ride home). She rings me through and then whispers conspiratorially "Sir...these are Canadian sizes".

So I respond, whispering back "That's ok...I'm a Canadian."

387 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:34:06am

re: #379 MandyManners

Is FCBBHO telling Israel to give up it's nuke?

Here's the spin. You tell me.

388 Ateam  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:34:18am

re: #383 MandyManners

re: #384 Erik The Red

HA!

389 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:34:50am

Actutally the conversation was probably more like,,,

Netanyahu (to Obama): "You're not the boss of me. Now piss off to a Madrassa"

Obama (confused that people would ignore him): "What? Am too."

Netanyahu: "You don't listen too good. Piss off, Junior. I've work to do"

Obama (trying to be manly): "I am so!" (lip quivers)

Netanyahu (shaking head): "Go away." *muttering to self* "Christ, we really need to whip some of the kids over there into shape."

390 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:35:22am

re: #380 right_wing2

As bad as David Souter's been on the Supreme Court, the idea of the Chosen One naming a justice terrifies me.

Janet Napoletano?
Hillary?
Someone even worse?

Harold Koh.

391 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:35:29am

re: #385 rightside

Sponge Bob Square Pants.

The Kid's hero.

392 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:36:26am

re: #386 Mithrax

Triple-Triple is basically three creams and three sugars. In Canada, you go to your local Tim Horton's and they have their own measurements but it's a close equivilent to putting in one creamer and one small package of sugar.

I can remember I was in heaven years ago, whilst visiting an ex-gf in Toledo. There was a Tim Hortons...in freakin Toledo!

So I walk up to the counter like a kid in a candy store and I ask for two extra large black coffees (I had a 5 hour car ride home). She rings me through and then whispers conspiratorially "Sir...these are Canadian sizes".

So I respond, whispering back "That's ok...I'm a Canadian."

HA! What did she say to that?

393 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:36:34am

This has been planned for several years, but the Census Bureau is going to be taking GPS coordinates for every address, ever dwelling place, in the country.

Bad idea under Bush. Worse idea under the Obamessiah.

394 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:37:33am

re: #390 Jim in Virginia

That'd be worse.

How about Mrs. Obamessiah?

395 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:38:42am

re: #387 Spare O'Lake

Here's the spin. You tell me.

Signing on to the NPT does not mean Israel should give up its nukes but, it would signal that Israel is not committed to improving and increasing its arsenal. Bad position in the face of ShortShit.

396 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:39:05am

re: #392 MandyManners

HA! What did she say to that?

She said nothing, but got a very embarassed grin on her face, mumbled a little bit.

I just gave her a wink and a grin, sort of like a pirate but without the rogueish charm, good looks, or earrings :P

397 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:39:18am

re: #388 Ateam

re: #384 Erik The Red

HA!

I don't think I've written that word this early in the morning before.

398 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:40:14am

re: #394 right_wing2

That'd be worse.

How about Mrs. Obamessiah?


Gag.
Prediction: Hispanic woman.

399 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:40:37am

re: #391 MandyManners

when my daughter was younger, she loved watching him, and I'd sing along with her. Before I left for my final deployment, she asked mom to buy me this 10" tall SBSP toy, who when you pressed a button on the base, would play that intro song, and say about 10 other phrases. I velcroed it down to my desk, and it was a constant reminder of her everytime I looked at it.

They grow so fast.

400 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:41:28am

re: #394 right_wing2

That'd be worse.

How about Mrs. Obamessiah?

At least the robe would be one outfit she couldn't fuck up.

401 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:41:56am

re: #389 Jewels (AKA Julian)
My bet is Netanyahu would say, "Grow a pair. You have no idea what "Life and Death" means.You've been raised on socialist-fairy tales and you'd loose in any street fight. Go back to community organizing and leave fighting the bad guys to real men, punk!"

402 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:42:05am

re: #396 Mithrax

She said nothing, but got a very embarassed grin on her face, mumbled a little bit.

I just gave her a wink and a grin, sort of like a pirate but without the rogueish charm, good looks, or earrings :P

Aw. Canadians really are nice folks.

403 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:43:12am

re: #399 rightside

when my daughter was younger, she loved watching him, and I'd sing along with her. Before I left for my final deployment, she asked mom to buy me this 10" tall SBSP toy, who when you pressed a button on the base, would play that intro song, and say about 10 other phrases. I velcroed it down to my desk, and it was a constant reminder of her everytime I looked at it.

They grow so fast.

I just cranked up The Kid's television to help encourage him to get out of bed. Next up: pitch-fork.

404 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:44:35am

re: #402 MandyManners

Aw. Canadians really are nice folks.

For the most part I'll agree. But I don't buy into that many cultural sterotypes. Been lots of places and met a hell of a lot of good folks.

Been lots of places and met lots of assholes too :P

405 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:44:53am

re: #393 right_wing2

This has been planned for several years, but the Census Bureau is going to be taking GPS coordinates for every address, ever dwelling place, in the country.

Bad idea under Bush. Worse idea under the Obamessiah.

They've already been by our neighborhood.

The astounding waste of money this represents boggles the mind.

406 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:46:28am

re: #405 SixDegrees

So how will they account for addresses like that park in Ohio, where purportedly thousands of homeless folks registered to vote through ACORN?

407 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:46:33am

re: #398 Jim in Virginia

a homosexual Hispanic woman

408 tokyobk  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:47:30am

I guess this is how human's in the South Pacific got the name "long pig:"
Your text to link...

409 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:48:06am

re: #387 Spare O'Lake

Here's the spin. You tell me.

Good morning, Lizards.

No mention of Iran in that list, I notice. Not that I'm surprised.

cheers

eon

410 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:50:58am

Just checked the HotAir thread on the Matthews/Pence face off...

The devil is at work at all times to fool, lie, deceive people on side issues as other religions, evolution and hypocritical Christians.


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Some of the most made-up crap in books you’ll ever find are “proofs” of evolution in science text books, so it looks like you’re wrong.


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So Tingles is arguing, “his un-provable theory” is better than the other guys “un-provable theory”?


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How can a finite mind disprove the existence of an infinite mind?


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The reason Mike Pence said what he did is that what may better be called macro-evolution does not best explain the data we have and there is no reason to do the dance with Darwin any more.

And so on... that just from the top half of the current page of comments.

None of them got the point (which Charles clearly saw): What Pence believes became irrelevant because he (Pence) had to tap dance for the (majority) in his party who reject evolution.

411 Ateam  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:51:37am

re: #389 Jewels (AKA Julian)

[Netanyahu (shaking head): "Go away." *muttering to self* "Christ, we really need to whip some of the kids over there into shape."]

I really find it heard to believe that Bibi will use the term "Christ"...

412 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:51:53am

re: #406 rightside

So how will they account for addresses like that park in Ohio, where purportedly thousands of homeless folks registered to vote through ACORN?

That was a "tent city" full of people rendered homeless by the eeevill Bushies.

/Well, that was ACORN's "official" explanation, at least.

And for their next trick, they will double the (registered Democrat) population of Gary, Indiana.

/// sarc, after seeing an episode of "Life Without People" on the History Channel- which THC seems to be enjoying a bit too much, IYKWIM.

cheers

eon

413 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:52:47am

re: #406 rightside

So how will they account for addresses like that park in Ohio, where purportedly thousands of homeless folks registered to vote through ACORN?

There is no rational explanation for this exercise. Words like "stupid" and "pointless" leap to mind.

414 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:53:17am

re: #395 MandyManners

Signing on to the NPT does not mean Israel should give up its nukes but, it would signal that Israel is not committed to improving and increasing its arsenal. Bad position in the face of ShortShit.

Disarmament is one of the goals of the NPT.

415 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:53:30am

Good morning LGF.

My rant of the morning...
Watching Fox this morning, I see a single mom and her daughter, who will lose the school voucher program thanks to Obama.
The school voucher program is one of the things I completely support and I think it is one thing that has the potential to lift people out of poverty and give them the opportunity to be successful and do for themselves. Isn't that what the dems should want? Does this have to do with the dem support for teacher unions or is something against private schools in general (which most of our governments kids attend)? I don't get it.

416 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:55:53am

re: #415 VioletTiger

Good morning LGF.

My rant of the morning...
Watching Fox this morning, I see a single mom and her daughter, who will lose the school voucher program thanks to Obama.
The school voucher program is one of the things I completely support and I think it is one thing that has the potential to lift people out of poverty and give them the opportunity to be successful and do for themselves. Isn't that what the dems should want? Does this have to do with the dem support for teacher unions or is something against private schools in general (which most of our governments kids attend)? I don't get it.

It's simple. Teacher's unions are rabidly opposed to vouchers. Teacher's unions threw their support behind the Obama campaign. That's all you need to know to figure out why an estimable idea is being deep-sixed.

417 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:56:49am

re: #413 SixDegrees

I understand, and I know it would be wrong to do so, but why not fight fire with fire? Ohio had to accept those registrations, bar none. Someone drop off 10,000,000 registrations on the last day, all for republicans. Dems will do anything to steal an election.

418 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:57:25am

re: #410 freetoken

because he (Pence) had to tap dance for the (majority) in his party who reject evolution.

When you say things like that, that the tap dancing assclown speaks for a majority, it makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth and it gives me bad dreams. Hope you're happy now, Mr. Dreamkiller.

/

419 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:58:56am

re: #414 Spare O'Lake

Disarmament is one of the goals of the NPT.

Which is another reason Israel should tell FCBBHO to piss off.

420 laZardo  Wed, May 6, 2009 4:59:46am

So...Windows 7 Release Candidate seems to be in order so far. Now I just gotta slip everything back in.

421 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:00:11am

re: #415 VioletTiger

Good morning LGF.

My rant of the morning...
Watching Fox this morning, I see a single mom and her daughter, who will lose the school voucher program thanks to Obama.
The school voucher program is one of the things I completely support and I think it is one thing that has the potential to lift people out of poverty and give them the opportunity to be successful and do for themselves. Isn't that what the dems should want? Does this have to do with the dem support for teacher unions or is something against private schools in general (which most of our governments kids attend)? I don't get it.

The NEA wants all children to be taught in public schools. It'd banish private schooling in a heart-beat if it could.

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:00:33am

This work nonsense continues to screw with my LGF time. See y'all in the afternoons!

423 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:01:37am

re: #413 SixDegrees

There is no rational explanation for this exercise. Words like "stupid" and "pointless" leap to mind.

Maybe the idea is to "prove" the expected HUGE increase in minority counts in districts which the Democrats want to reapportion.

424 Pupdawg  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:02:13am

I think we are presently in the 'flying club' stage with Obama swinging away and his fellow Dems teeing every stroke for him. We victims are either in the rough, duly sliced or hooked beyond recovery.
This current course may not be repetition but it certainly feels frighteningly familiar.

425 laZardo  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:02:15am

re: #416 SixDegrees

re: #421 MandyManners

Having lived here most of my life...what is this voucher program about anyway?

426 Ateam  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:02:44am

re: #397 MandyManners

I don't think I've written that word this early in the morning before.

Early? morning? local time is after 3 pm, & an half bottle of red wine.

427 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:03:24am

re: #425 laZardo

re: #421 MandyManners

Having lived here most of my life...what is this voucher program about anyway?

It's about freeing up tax money to help poor parents get their kids out of horrible public schools in crappy districts.

428 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:03:36am

re: #415 VioletTiger

Good morning LGF.

My rant of the morning...
Watching Fox this morning, I see a single mom and her daughter, who will lose the school voucher program thanks to Obama.
The school voucher program is one of the things I completely support and I think it is one thing that has the potential to lift people out of poverty and give them the opportunity to be successful and do for themselves. Isn't that what the dems should want? Does this have to do with the dem support for teacher unions or is something against private schools in general (which most of our governments kids attend)? I don't get it.

If it makes them independent of government support it stands in the way of what the dems want.

429 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:04:47am

re: #426 Ateam

Early? morning? local time is after 3 pm, & an half bottle of red wine.

Time is relative.

430 johnnyreb  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:05:20am

re: #421 MandyManners

The NEA wants all children to be taught in public schools. It'd banish private schooling in a heart-beat if it could.

They plan to do just that, and they just might get it with the current administration.

431 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:06:09am

re: #418 theheat

When you say things like that, that the tap dancing assclown speaks for a majority, it makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth and it gives me bad dreams. Hope you're happy now, Mr. Dreamkiller.

What can I say... Gallup made me do it.

/don't shoot the messenger...

432 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:06:19am

re: #425 laZardo

To add to what Mandy said, if you're going to use taxpayer money to send a child to public school, why not use that money to send them to a private school, where they will receive a better education. The teachers unions are vehemently opposed to this concept, because if more people realized their children would be better off in a private school, the unions would lose their monopoly on indoctrinating the yoots.

433 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:06:20am

re: #415 VioletTiger

Easy:

Unionized public schools=good

Non-unionized private schools=bad

434 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:06:50am

re: #415 VioletTiger

Good morning LGF.

My rant of the morning...
Watching Fox this morning, I see a single mom and her daughter, who will lose the school voucher program thanks to Obama.
The school voucher program is one of the things I completely support and I think it is one thing that has the potential to lift people out of poverty and give them the opportunity to be successful and do for themselves. Isn't that what the dems should want? Does this have to do with the dem support for teacher unions or is something against private schools in general (which most of our governments kids attend)? I don't get it.

Good morning all. Think Obama payback to the teachers unions.

435 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:07:04am

re: #430 johnnyreb

They plan to do just that, and they just might get it with the current administration.

They can't. Many private schools are church-based and the government would face a serious constitutional barrier with that one. Also, many private schools have some serious financial backing that means they would not roll over.

436 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:07:32am

re: #423 MandyManners

Maybe the idea is to "prove" the expected HUGE increase in minority counts in districts which the Democrats want to reapportion.

If that were true, they'd be better off not mapping residences. Such mapping allows correlation between collected data and physical location, and the padding that has taken place in recent years in cities like Detroit won't stand up to such scrutiny. What you'll see instead is an appeal to statistical "correction" of population data as an aid to gerrymandering.

Frankly, this seems to be an idea that has been around for quite some time. The guy who came to our place had a very sophisticated GPS-based device obviously tied to a database in real-time. This isn't something that was cooked up in the last three months. Customized hardware/software solutions like this take on the order of years to bring to fruition, and training field staff isn't a simple or quick task, either.

It's still stupid and pointless, however.

437 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:09:16am

re: #432 rightside

To add to what Mandy said, if you're going to use taxpayer money to send a child to public school, why not use that money to send them to a private school, where they will receive a better education. The teachers unions are vehemently opposed to this concept, because if more people realized their children would be better off in a private school, the unions would lose their monopoly on indoctrinating the yoots.

Exactly. Especially a shame in bad school districts, because the environment in not conducive to learning and is often just toxic. Those kids have a low chance for success. It's a dam shame.

438 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:09:46am

re: #414 Spare O'Lake

Disarmament is one of the goals of the NPT.

Only on our side. If you read the fine print, it calls for "parity" as the preliminary stage.

"Parity" is defined, not as "everyone has exactly the same number", but "everyone on the untrustworthy side gets to build up their arsenals until they 'feel safe', while the people on the trustworthy side 'build down' (by not replacing weapons as they are deactivated when they get to their 'Best Before' date), until they are no longer a sufficient threat to the untrustworthy side for them to feel they need nuclear weapons. At which point, they deactivate theirs, nobody has any nukes at all, and hooray-we have achieved non-nuclear Nirvana."

The fly in the ointment, of course, is that if the untrustworthy people want nukes not for deterrence, but for attack, all they have to do is build up, and then wait. Until such time as the people they don't like have few enough nukes left that they feel they can strike first without incurring unacceptable losses.

Not that the term "unacceptable losses" has no concrete definition in this context. Mao Tse-tung once stated that Red China could sacrifice up to three-fourths of its population in a nuclear exchange, as long as the Party leadership and most of the Army survived. (His assumption was that if necessary, survivors of conquered nations could be shipped in as slave labor to rebuild, as long as he had an Army to do it with.) The Islamists define "acceptable losses" as "martyrdom in the cause of jihad"- which means, in English, "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose". Our definition of the term "unacceptable losses" has no bearing on the argument. Except insofar as that everyone else knows what it is, and is counting on that to make us eager to believe that they think like we do.

What all this means is that the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty is only likely to deter nations which are unlikely to mount a first strike to begin with. As for the ones who are likely to try it, NPT almost qualifies as a blueprint for smacking everyone else down. All they need is a glib tongue, and patience.

/just IMHO.

cheers

eon

439 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:10:49am

re: #436 SixDegrees

If that were true, they'd be better off not mapping residences. Such mapping allows correlation between collected data and physical location, and the padding that has taken place in recent years in cities like Detroit won't stand up to such scrutiny. What you'll see instead is an appeal to statistical "correction" of population data as an aid to gerrymandering.

Frankly, this seems to be an idea that has been around for quite some time. The guy who came to our place had a very sophisticated GPS-based device obviously tied to a database in real-time. This isn't something that was cooked up in the last three months. Customized hardware/software solutions like this take on the order of years to bring to fruition, and training field staff isn't a simple or quick task, either.

It's still stupid and pointless, however.


With google earth, why does the census guy need to get a GPS fix on my front door. Nice enough guy that came to my door, but when I asked him this he had no answer. That made it seem suspect to me.

440 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:11:07am

re: #436 SixDegrees

If that were true, they'd be better off not mapping residences. Such mapping allows correlation between collected data and physical location, and the padding that has taken place in recent years in cities like Detroit won't stand up to such scrutiny. What you'll see instead is an appeal to statistical "correction" of population data as an aid to gerrymandering.

Frankly, this seems to be an idea that has been around for quite some time. The guy who came to our place had a very sophisticated GPS-based device obviously tied to a database in real-time. This isn't something that was cooked up in the last three months. Customized hardware/software solutions like this take on the order of years to bring to fruition, and training field staff isn't a simple or quick task, either.

It's still stupid and pointless, however.

Oops. I stand corrected.

Hasn't the Census Bureau's new chief said he would go back to the statistical manipulations?

441 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:11:10am

re: #431 freetoken

Those numbers suck any way you cut it. Even the Independents and Dems vary from 38-40%. Still, sad to think if you go to a GOP function, and start shaking stangers' hands, 6 out of 10 peeps you greet are in a 'weird place' when it comes to science.

442 johnnyreb  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:11:23am

re: #435 MandyManners

They can't. Many private schools are church-based and the government would face a serious constitutional barrier with that one. Also, many private schools have some serious financial backing that means they would not roll over.

I didn't say it would happen, but they are trying to do it.

443 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:11:27am

re: #435 MandyManners

I can see the Obama administration taking a 'regulate/tax private schools until it's impossible for them to comply' approach, in the same way I see them taking a 'regulate/tax guns/ammo until it's virtually impossible to buy any' approach to guns.

444 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:12:23am

re: #427 MandyManners

It's about freeing up tax money to help poor parents get their kids out of horrible public schools in crappy districts.

Correct. Instead of being tied to a particular school, or in some cases to a particular district, you can send your kid to any school within a designated region and apply your "voucher" to the particular school they wind up attending. The size and configuration of such regions varies widely, if they exist at all. In some cases, you're only able to move your child around within a given district; in Detroit, for example, that means being able to choose between absolutely third-world horrible schools and not quite so horrible third-world schools, which by Orewellian extension are deemed "better". Expanding the system to the surrounding suburbs is vigorously opposed, because this would lead to a complete exodus of students from the Detroit system and the system's immediate collapse.

445 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:14:01am

re: #443 right_wing2

I can see the Obama administration taking a 'regulate/tax private schools until it's impossible for them to comply' approach, in the same way I see them taking a 'regulate/tax guns/ammo until it's virtually impossible to buy any' approach to guns.

He'll make it like a concession because of the uproar over cap and trade. I need to get the money from somewhere, so rather than energy I'll penalize those evil private schools, except the one where my daughters go. After all even a deity such as myself must know their limits./

446 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:14:24am

re: #440 MandyManners

Oops. I stand corrected.

Hasn't the Census Bureau's new chief said he would go back to the statistical manipulations?

Probably. It's racist not to, you know.

447 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:15:15am

And then of course there was this comment on the first page of that HotAir entry:

Waiting for the definitive LGF article slamming Mike Pence for being an anti-science zealot who believes Dinosaurs were here only a few thousand years ago. It’s just a matter of time.

zerodamage on May 5, 2009 at 9:14 PM

448 SurferDoc  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:16:40am

Obama: Blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah

Netanyahu: No way in Hell, schmuck.

Obama: Blabbity-blah (stalks off)

Netanyahu: Schmuck

449 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:19:09am

re: #442 johnnyreb

I didn't say it would happen, but they are trying to do it.

It'll make a lot of work for the attorneys on both sides.

450 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:20:05am

re: #443 right_wing2

I can see the Obama administration taking a 'regulate/tax private schools until it's impossible for them to comply' approach, in the same way I see them taking a 'regulate/tax guns/ammo until it's virtually impossible to buy any' approach to guns.

He'll have a fight on his hands. One good outcome will be a growing awareness about his agenda.

451 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:21:06am

Chicago is an example of what is wrong with union driven public education.
A preference is given to graduates of Chicago State University to teach.
This institution is very backward with a substandard curriculum & substandard instructors.
Many of the graduates are semi literate & do not need to test out as proficient in their subject matter.
The children that go through the system are being cheated, but it is workfare for the teachers union.

452 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:21:08am

re: #444 SixDegrees

Correct. Instead of being tied to a particular school, or in some cases to a particular district, you can send your kid to any school within a designated region and apply your "voucher" to the particular school they wind up attending. The size and configuration of such regions varies widely, if they exist at all. In some cases, you're only able to move your child around within a given district; in Detroit, for example, that means being able to choose between absolutely third-world horrible schools and not quite so horrible third-world schools, which by Orewellian extension are deemed "better". Expanding the system to the surrounding suburbs is vigorously opposed, because this would lead to a complete exodus of students from the Detroit system and the system's immediate collapse.

I wonder if there is any opposition from the suburban parents.

453 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:21:27am

re: #450 MandyManners

He'll have a fight on his hands. One good outcome will be a growing awareness about his agenda.

People will wake up. It just takes the right buttons. There is one for most everybody out there.

454 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:21:36am

Gotta' scoot on down the road. bbl

455 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:22:24am

re: #452 MandyManners

I wonder if there is any opposition from the suburban parents.

Some, but not as much as you might think. As long as the carpet baggers bring their check along, there's no significant opposition.

456 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:23:50am

re: #447 freetoken

I have seen such a decline over there in the past months. Pretty much anything goes over there.

Inevitably, someone will call out Charles on each post. Douchebags posting on HotAir, slamming LGF. Misery loves company.

457 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:24:20am

re: #451 opnion

Chicago is an example of what is wrong with union driven public education.
A preference is given to graduates of Chicago State University to teach.
This institution is very backward with a substandard curriculum & substandard instructors.
Many of the graduates are semi literate & do not need to test out as proficient in their subject matter.
The children that go through the system are being cheated, but it is workfare for the teachers union.


We are behind so many other nations on educations. We spend so much money, but the results are poor. The future looks bleak if we can't educate more of our children to some minimum actual standard--not some artificial one.

458 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:24:42am

Sadly, the (large majority) of commenters over on that HotAir thread are doing Matthews' job for him.

Those comments read like AnswersInGenesis-on-Crack.

459 johnnyreb  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:25:26am

Irony can be ironic at times can't it? Enviro wackos fighting against Obama on wind and solar energy:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And for the money quote:

"We all want to be as green as we can be. But at what cost?" Richard Jolly of the Blue Mountain Alliance. "To take everything from us? This valley could be surrounded by them."

Maybe the idiots are actually waking up? One can only hope.

460 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:26:19am

re: #456 rightside

They're banging their cages with the Freepers any more.

461 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:26:24am

For anyone who still has GM stock:Reverse stock 1 for 100

462 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:26:25am

re: #449 MandyManners

It'll make a lot of work for the attorneys on both sides.

In any fight between opposing teams of lawyers, the side with the deepest pockets wins. That would be the U.S. government, as was seen in the tobacco lawsuits. The only reason that the gun manufacturer suits failed was that the U.S. Justice Department never weighed in on the anti-gun side. If such suits were to be relaunched today, I am reasonably sure Eric Holder would be filing them in person.

Similarly, the NEA can be counted on to finance such suits, especially if they receive "pro bono" assistance from DOJ. That is a gray area in the law, and based on their previous track records, I would expect the Obama DOJ team under Holder to sail as close to the wind as they can without being caught in irons.

cheers

eon

463 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:27:05am

re: #459 johnnyreb

Irony can be ironic at times can't it? Enviro wackos fighting against Obama on wind and solar energy:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And for the money quote:

"We all want to be as green as we can be. But at what cost?" Richard Jolly of the Blue Mountain Alliance. "To take everything from us? This valley could be surrounded by them."

Maybe the idiots are actually waking up? One can only hope.

The ultimate NIMBY crowd.

464 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:28:18am

re: #457 VioletTiger

We are behind so many other nations on educations. We spend so much money, but the results are poor. The future looks bleak if we can't educate more of our children to some minimum actual standard--not some artificial one.

When a kid graduates high school & can't fill out a simple job application, there is a significant problem. when a certified teacher is not literate the problem is worse.

465 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:28:35am

re: #457 VioletTiger

One of my favorite areas to challenge dems on is education. After hundreds of billions (perhaps even a trillion) have been spent on improving education, is it any better? I want them to defend that. Show how the govt taking taxpayer money and wasting in on things that do not work, is a good thing.

At some point, a sane person would ask, "you know, after all that money, we are seeing no improvement, maybe we should try something else."

The dems all time favorite reply? "We just need more money!"

466 Altermite  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:29:11am

re: #462 eon

In any fight between opposing teams of lawyers, the side with the deepest pockets wins. That would be the U.S. government, as was seen in the tobacco lawsuits

I recently met a guy who worked for the EPA, and wound up suing them around the time of the reagen administration. He ahd to leave the department for a few years after that, but he did win.

467 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:29:44am

re: #456 rightside

Yup. Here is another one from that thread:

As successful tactic of the left, look at the thread. LGF as I live and breathe.

Cindy Munford on May 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM

468 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:32:25am

re: #465 rightside

One of my favorite areas to challenge dems on is education. After hundreds of billions (perhaps even a trillion) have been spent on improving education, is it any better? I want them to defend that. Show how the govt taking taxpayer money and wasting in on things that do not work, is a good thing.

At some point, a sane person would ask, "you know, after all that money, we are seeing no improvement, maybe we should try something else."

The dems all time favorite reply? "We just need more money!"

More like "All money". Plus, "And we need for you peons' to shut up and do as you're told."

I have yet to see a "progressive" argument that didn't come down to those two basic points. To them, the problem with all their "brilliant" plans... is always us.

cheers

eon

469 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:32:51am

re: #459 johnnyreb

Irony can be ironic at times can't it? Enviro wackos fighting against Obama on wind and solar energy:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And for the money quote:

"We all want to be as green as we can be. But at what cost?" Richard Jolly of the Blue Mountain Alliance. "To take everything from us? This valley could be surrounded by them."

Maybe the idiots are actually waking up? One can only hope.

So now we have big wind and big solar in addition to big oil. These knuckleheads want it all for free. They do not understand the energy industry, nor do they care to try to understand. It's all about 'not in my backyard'.

470 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:33:03am

And another:

Is this HotAir or LGF? It hurts to see CJ dementia on this website.

kingsjester on May 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I always thought Charles was kidding when he said he has gotten inside their heads... but it looks like he's right.

471 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:34:25am

re: #470 freetoken

And another:


I always thought Charles was kidding when he said he has gotten inside their heads... but it looks like he's right.

They do seem obsessed.

472 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:34:36am

re: #465 rightside

We used to do contract work in schools after hours. We'd go from classroom to classroom, finding all kinds of teacher misspellings and grammatical errors on the chalkboards and posters. Mind you, these were from teachers, not the students.

Well, then we'd correct them ;-) We'd draw lines through misspelled words and re-spell them, and draw arrows to correct sentence structure. In the morning, class would start, and the corrections were there for all to see.

No shit, we we got called on it, and our jobs jeopardized.

True story.

473 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:37:41am

re: #468 eon

It really is about having power. To decide the winners and losers in life. To return all wealth to its "rightful owners"

re: #472 theheat

Amazing, but I believe it. I hope you didn't get fired!

474 johnnyreb  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:37:47am

re: #469 VioletTiger

So now we have big wind and big solar in addition to big oil. These knuckleheads want it all for free. They do not understand the energy industry, nor do they care to try to understand. It's all about 'not in my backyard'.

We had Verizon come to our VFW and ask us if they could put up a cell tower on some property we own. We had a meeting and voted it down because they wanted to take an acre out of the middle of a big plot we own and lease it for 99 years. All for the low low cost of paying us 100 dollars a month. Well the guy got a bit agitated when we told him no and he started on with the anti NIMBY laws here in CT, how the state could force us to lease to them etc. He wouldn't even negotiate on the $100 a month. Needless to say if the price was right we would have jumped at the extra guaranteed income stream.

He just went away angry.

475 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:38:45am

re: #470 freetoken

The future looks bleak from all that.

476 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:39:11am

re: #465 rightside

One of my favorite areas to challenge dems on is education. After hundreds of billions (perhaps even a trillion) have been spent on improving education, is it any better? I want them to defend that. Show how the govt taking taxpayer money and wasting in on things that do not work, is a good thing.

At some point, a sane person would ask, "you know, after all that money, we are seeing no improvement, maybe we should try something else."

The dems all time favorite reply? "We just need more money!"

The simple fact that they refuse to only teach in English proves what a failure public education really is. Until they force every student to be proficient in English the only thing our public schools will do is drive the ignorance level down to the lowest person in the group. Here in MA we now have a ZAP policy (Zeroes are not permitted) so much for rewarding excellence and initiative.

477 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:40:54am

re: #476 soxfan4life

The "feel good" crap has got to go too. Things like, can't use red pens to correct papers, because red=bad. No such things as "F" anymore. Nonsense.

478 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:43:53am

re: #469 VioletTiger

So now we have big wind and big solar in addition to big oil. These knuckleheads want it all for free. They do not understand the energy industry, nor do they care to try to understand. It's all about 'not in my backyard'.

They don't even understand Ohm's Law.

They think batteries create electricity, and that wires are perfect conductors. I have heard enough from "deep ecologists" on the subject of energy that I have concluded that they are nearly total ignoramuses on the subject- and what little "knowledge" they lay claim to seems to have been gleaned from Mother Earth News and Star Trek reruns.

The only thing worse that letting this bunch set our "energy policy" would be letting them actually run our energy industry. They would not have a clue, would not listen to the experts (minions of evil, greedy capitalists), and when something broke, would not have the first d***ed idea what to do to fix it. It would be Taggart Intercontinental, under James Taggart, on steroids.

And it would last about as long.

cheers

eon

479 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:44:08am

re: #477 rightside

The "feel good" crap has got to go too. Things like, can't use red pens to correct papers, because red=bad. No such things as "F" anymore. Nonsense.

Once we started with the youth sports and every game is a tie and every one gets a trophy, so there are no losers it has become pathetic. There will always be winners and losers and the sooner kids learn that the better prepared for life they will be. This whole everyone is equal shit has to end. If that were the case, I want to be able to play football as well as Tom Brady so I can marry a Brazilian supermodel too.

480 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:45:16am

re: #478 eon

They don't even understand Ohm's Law.

They think batteries create electricity, and that wires are perfect conductors. I have heard enough from "deep ecologists" on the subject of energy that I have concluded that they are nearly total ignoramuses on the subject- and what little "knowledge" they lay claim to seems to have been gleaned from Mother Earth News and Star Trek reruns.

The only thing worse that letting this bunch set our "energy policy" would be letting them actually run our energy industry. They would not have a clue, would not listen to the experts (minions of evil, greedy capitalists), and when something broke, would not have the first d***ed idea what to do to fix it. It would be Taggart Intercontinental, under James Taggart, on steroids.

And it would last about as long.

cheers

eon

Something tells me that with all their education they believe they can overturn Ohm's law.

481 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:45:43am

re: #479 soxfan4life

lol, I'd love to as well, just not GB. IMO, she's not all that and a bag of potato chips. I'll take Adriana Lima, or Alesandra Ambrosio for $1000 Alex.

482 lifeofthemind  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:47:35am

Good morning. Just posted four links on the spin offs. I think they give a picture of where things are going.

483 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:47:37am

re: #480 soxfan4life

Something tells me that with all their education they believe they can overturn Ohm's law.

I tell them that it can't be overturned by an Act of Congress, and that no appeal has worked for the last six and a half billion years.

/I invariably get a blank look in return.

cheers

eon

484 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:49:35am

re: #483 eon

I tell them that it can't be overturned by an Act of Congress, and that no appeal has worked for the last six and a half billion years.

/I invariably get a blank look in return.

cheers

eon

0bama will put the right people on the Supreme Court to fix that problem.///

485 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:50:36am

re: #482 lifeofthemind

I'm not seeing your name in the 17 posted, and I refreshed. Are you posting them using a different name, or am I missing something?

486 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:50:56am

Good morning, lizards!

487 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:51:11am

Fox and Friends will have the creationism vs evolution discussion on after the commercial. Wonder who they will have on...

488 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:51:37am

re: #486 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards!

How are you doing Irish?

489 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:52:26am

re: #487 VioletTiger

Wonder who they will have on...

RON PAUL!


/heh... it's a reflex...

490 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:52:41am

re: #488 VioletTiger

How are you doing Irish?

Not too bad, thanks.
It's pub night, and I'm always in a good mood on Wednesdays.

491 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:54:25am

Wow, missed this one:

Actor Dom DeLuise Dead at 75

492 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:54:47am

re: #486 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards!

Morning, Irish!

cheers

eon

493 ConservatismNow!  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:55:54am

re: #484 soxfan4life

0bama will put the right people on the Supreme Court to fix that problem.///

"Barack Obama has made his decision. Now let him enforce it."

-Georg Simon Ohm

494 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:55:59am

Ooo, Casey from the Disco Institute! I wanta slap him!

495 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:57:03am

I'm sooo tempted to post a link to the Carrie Prejean topless photos...

496 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:58:12am

Oh my G@d, those fools let that Disco guy get away with spouting every Disco Institute line with no counter opinion! Nasty letter to Fox coming up.

If this doesn't support Charles' stance, nothing does. These kooks are virulent.

497 johnnyreb  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:58:40am

re: #495 freetoken

I'm sooo tempted to post a link to the Carrie Prejean topless photos...

I would be careful with that. Someone said she was only 17 when those photos were taken.

498 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:59:08am

re: #495 freetoken

I've seen more skin in the SI swimsuit edition.

The far left smearing again.

499 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 5:59:33am

re: #495 freetoken

I'm sooo tempted to post a link to the Carrie Prejean topless photos...

It's interesting that the Left is invoking Puritanism now in an effort to discredit her.

I don't know how Leftists put up with that annoying feedback noise in their heads all day long.

500 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:00:00am

re: #491 freetoken


So much for the leading gynecologista in Pompei

501 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:00:34am

re: #493 ConservatismNow!

"Barack Obama has made his decision. Now let him enforce it."

-Georg Simon Ohm

Never pass a law which you cannot enforce.

-Gustav II Adolph Vasa (aka "Gustavus Adolphus")

cheers

eon

502 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:01:13am

re: #494 VioletTiger

Shucks... too bad it isn't streaming online...

503 lazardo  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:02:15am

re: #459 johnnyreb

Big Oil companies are slowly starting to invest in other sources of energy, thus leading to...well...Big Energy.

504 lazardo  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:03:00am

re: #496 VioletTiger

What do you expect? They don't call it Faux News for nothing.

505 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:03:50am

re: #498 rightside

I've seen more skin in the SI swimsuit edition.

The far left smearing again.

I'm not smearing her... and yes, I too have seen more skin on OTS "sports" mags.

Point is, there were plenty of folks out there trying to maker her out to be a paragon of virtue (whether that is what she originally wanted or not)... and yet, once again, we see that such paragons are themselves just as messed up as the rest of us.

506 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:04:30am

WTF? Gas prices are up .35 cents a gallon this morning here in Louisville. The excuse: They have switched to the summer blend.

507 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:04:59am

re: #498 rightside

I've seen more skin in the SI swimsuit edition.

The far left smearing again.


It's disgusting how low the media will go to attack those who do not share their beliefs. I cannot picture the media doing any of this digging had she said she was totally in favor of gay marriage.

508 idioma  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:05:36am

It seems no matter what stance I take on a particular issue here, I always drive out a fundamental Christian apologist here. Either they tell me I am wrong because "the bible says so" or they willfully excuse oppressive behavior because of their religious beliefs. I have tried to reason with them. Even asking simple questions about the true value of the bible - hint: It's a collection of stories.

So here is my challenge:

Watch this video

and then tell me why it is better to be religious.

No more excuses.

I want to know why you think the world is a better place when we persecute gays, suppress women into narrow societal rolls, suppress free speech when we disagree with it, and justify horrific violence that would otherwise be condemned.

509 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:07:03am

re: #506 KenJen

WTF? Gas prices are up .35 cents a gallon this morning here in Louisville. The excuse: They have switched to the summer blend.

It's a governement mandated formula and it is more expensive (and less volatile).

510 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:07:48am

re: #508 idioma

It seems no matter what stance I take on a particular issue here, I always drive out a fundamental Christian apologist here. Either they tell me I am wrong because "the bible says so" or they willfully excuse oppressive behavior because of their religious beliefs. I have tried to reason with them. Even asking simple questions about the true value of the bible - hint: It's a collection of stories.

So here is my challenge:

Watch this video


[Video]and then tell me why it is better to be religious.

No more excuses.

I want to know why you think the world is a better place when we persecute gays, suppress women into narrow societal rolls, suppress free speech when we disagree with it, and justify horrific violence that would otherwise be condemned.

Upding.

511 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:08:00am

re: #508 idioma

Too early in the morning for that idiotma.

512 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:08:39am

Rush coined the word 'Gorbasm' to describe the left's response to Gorbachev's leadership in the former Soviet Union. Gorby was the only hope for peace on the face of the earth, according to leftist activists.

Today, given that Obama is now the only hope for the country, and for the world, could we start calling their leg-tingling response to his 'leadership' an 'Obasm'?

513 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:08:42am

re: #505 freetoken

I'm not smearing her...

I didn't suggest you did, unless you are the far left...which I don't believe you are LOL

Interesting, how they complain about staying out of peoples bedrooms, and I know they are trying to point out hypocrisy, but that image? Puh-leeze!

514 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:08:56am

OT;

Fox News (Radio) has just reported that Gitmo detainees are going to be "rendered" to "terrorist relocation centers".. in Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, right, that'll fix 'em.

They'll be "relocating" back to their jihadi buddies almost before the plane that takes them there is wheels up on its way back to Cuba for the next batch.

///

I'm wondering how anyone as clueless as The One gets to be POTUS. Or, rather, TOTUS.

cheers

eon

515 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:09:51am

re: #511 KenJen

Too early in the morning for that idiotma.

no time like the present

516 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:09:59am

It's too early for me to start talking religion and Obama, I need at least three cups for that.

My fiance sent me this last night, ya'll missed this when I posted it at the end of a dead thread. So I'm posting it again this morning... an eye-popping winning performance from Miss Felix Cane, Miss Pole Dance World 2009.

Raising the mundane to an art form.

/how the hell does she do that?

517 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:10:22am

re: #514 eon

and, IIRC, we'll be paying them the tidy sum of $100 million dollars to do so.

518 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:11:23am

re: #508 idioma

It seems no matter what stance I take on a particular issue here, I always drive out a fundamental Christian apologist here. Either they tell me I am wrong because "the bible says so" or they willfully excuse oppressive behavior because of their religious beliefs. I have tried to reason with them. Even asking simple questions about the true value of the bible - hint: It's a collection of stories.

So here is my challenge:

Watch this video

Youtube Video

and then tell me why it is better to be religious.

No more excuses.

I want to know why you think the world is a better place when we persecute gays, suppress women into narrow societal rolls, suppress free speech when we disagree with it, and justify horrific violence that would otherwise be condemned.

As I've said many times here, the religious right is no different from the Taliban in terms of their goals.

519 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:13:16am

re: #514 eon

OT;

Fox News (Radio) has just reported that Gitmo detainees are going to be "rendered" to "terrorist relocation centers".. in Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, right, that'll fix 'em.

They'll be "relocating" back to their jihadi buddies almost before the plane that takes them there is wheels up on its way back to Cuba for the next batch.

///

I'm wondering how anyone as clueless as The One gets to be POTUS. Or, rather, TOTUS.

cheers

eon

there will be reams and sheafs someday when the smoke clears...apolitical and blind eye American voters will have blood on their hands just like their wunderkin leader...it's a disgrace...who will they blame then?

520 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:14:01am

re: #512 right_wing2

Rush coined the word 'Gorbasm' to describe the left's response to Gorbachev's leadership in the former Soviet Union. Gorby was the only hope for peace on the face of the earth, according to leftist activists.

Today, given that Obama is now the only hope for the country, and for the world, could we start calling their leg-tingling response to his 'leadership' an 'Obasm'?

I prefer to think of it as Obamaluvvv!

It's less the Gorbasm reaction than the shrieking and swooning we formerly associated with the likes of Elvis and the Beatles. And has about as much intellectual content.

/TIAM; I liked the early Beatles. To this day, I cannot stand Elvis' "music". Any of it.

cheers

eon

521 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:14:22am

Good morning everyone. I wish I could access The Onion here at work. There's a hilarious story about Biden washing his Trans Am in front of the White House.

522 theheat  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:15:53am

re: #505 freetoken

I think she was an easy target, speaking out against gay marriage at something as fleshy and superficial as a beauty pageant, with plenty of gays in attendance, then a couple more really stupid things she said in defense of her 'biblical' position. (With a shiny new set of plastic boobs, like the rest of the contestants.)

I really don't care one way or another about beauty pageants for adults, plastic boobs, or posing nude. But it does smell just a tad hypocritical to say you're following your biblical beliefs by not supporting gay marriage, but live your life in a non so-called biblical way, like any other little trollop. It's the contradiction of those things that f*cked it for her. She pretty much hung herself.

I'm sure she's a bright enough girl, she had some grasp of the ramifications when she chose to share her thoughts on the matter. Something tells me she'll do just fine, in spite of it. It's her opinion, after all, and she's as entitled to it as the next person.

And, with that, I must now get my beauty rest.

'Nite Lizards, and carry on.

523 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:16:59am

re: #519 albusteve

there will be reams and sheafs someday when the smoke clears...apolitical and blind eye American voters will have blood on their hands just like their wunderkin leader...it's a disgrace...who will they blame then?

I really cant believe this is happening. I cant imagine how our troops feel. They risked their lives to capture these guys and obama essentially sets them free.

524 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:18:24am

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

"History does not repeat itself, but it does sometimes rhyme".

Paraphrased from a source I cannot recall.

First time I heard that was from The Other Les.
Perfect.

525 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:19:03am

Good morning all. I'm off today and my wife just handed me a list of "jobs" to do. So I'm hiding my bedroom, and I do have to go into the Naval Reserve Center to do some paperwork, so...

526 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:19:39am

re: #525 Nevergiveup

Buy more lobster.

527 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:20:02am

re: #523 KenJen

I really cant believe this is happening. I cant imagine how our troops feel. They risked their lives to capture these guys and obama essentially sets them free.

Great message to the jihadi's, when in trouble just surrender and regroup in SA. Our new leader just sucks.

528 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:20:52am

re: #523 KenJen

I really cant believe this is happening. I cant imagine how our troops feel. They risked their lives to capture these guys and obama essentially sets them free.

it's a minor thing compared to what's coming down the road...BO will soon have to put a price on the human lives he is flirting with...we'll see what kind of a Chicago dealmaker he is soon enough

529 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:21:40am

The U.S.-led Quartet of Mideast mediators is working on a new strategy for Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and is expected to present it in five to six weeks, said Quartet envoy Tony Blair.

"The plan is being devised by the Obama administration, with input from others," Blair told Palestinian reporters.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I can't wait to see this one? Hum, I hope Israel has the huge order of Vaseline delivered by then? Isn't that just about when Bibi is gonna be in Washington?

530 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:22:23am

re: #526 rightside

Buy more lobster.

Good memory and a good Idea.

531 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:22:53am

re: #514 eon

OT;

Fox News (Radio) has just reported that Gitmo detainees are going to be "rendered" to "terrorist relocation centers".. in Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, right, that'll fix 'em.

They'll be "relocating" back to their jihadi buddies almost before the plane that takes them there is wheels up on its way back to Cuba for the next batch.

///

I'm wondering how anyone as clueless as The One gets to be POTUS. Or, rather, TOTUS.

cheers

eon

It's surreal. What can they be thinking? All of this potential harm just to satisfy Soros and his Moveon buddies.

532 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:23:47am

re: #518 SixDegrees

As a former fundamentalist and one of the more outspoken critics of right-wing fanaticism here at LGF, I agree with you for the most part.

But we do have to be careful about painting everyone with the same broad brush.

Just sayin'.

533 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:24:01am

re: #530 Nevergiveup

Us guys have to watch each others backs.

534 right_wing2  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:24:21am

re: #518 SixDegrees

With the exception of extreme nutcases like Fred Phelps, I don't think the right wants to 'persecute' gays or put women into narrow roles.

At the same time, I don't think they want to 'celebrate' and proclaim as normal/healthy/admirable homosexuality.

On the abortion issue, what the Republican party needs to do, IMHO is not to support abortion with no restrictions, but also not to oppose it in every case. Neither the 'no restrictions' view nor the 'no abortions' view holds majority support. Let's go with some restrictions like 'until viable' or 'in cases of rape/incest'. Yes, the party'll lose some of the extreme elements on the 'no abortions' side, but you can't have everything you want in any party.

535 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:24:23am

re: #531 VioletTiger

It's surreal. What can they be thinking? All of this potential harm just to satisfy Soros and his Moveon buddies.

America must pay for putting George Bush in office. Had the great Al Gore won in 2000 we would not be in the predicament we face today.///

536 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:25:21am

Basketball Hall-of-Famer Dave Bing Wins Detroit Mayoral Election
With all but two of 629 precincts reporting, Dave Bing had 52.3 percent of the vote, or 48,951 votes, to 47.7 percent, or 44,703 votes, for Cockrel. Both are Democrats.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I have no idea about him, except he was a good ball player. Of Course he is a democrat so...

537 FrogMarch  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:26:01am

shooting an intruder and saving many lives. I doubt you'll here about this from the DNC-MSM.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

538 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:26:24am

re: #532 Irish Rose

As a former fundamentalist and one of the more outspoken critics of right-wing fanaticism here at LGF, I agree with you for the most part.

But we do have to be careful about painting everyone with the same broad brush.

Just sayin'.


Point taken.

539 Miss Trixie  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:26:26am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Gloomy and cloudy in the valley and it's supposed to rain for the next couple of days. I don't care and it's better than sneaux.

How's every little thing?

540 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:27:08am

He should be personally held responsible for every life lost as a result of these releases. It's borderline traitorous.

541 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:27:46am

re: #531 VioletTiger

It's surreal. What can they be thinking? All of this potential harm just to satisfy Soros and his Moveon buddies.

I keep seeing things like this, and debating with myself whether or not I'm actually experiencing it, or just imagining it.

I'm starting to feel like I'm stuck in a bad Allan Drury novel. Or one of those knockoff "Executioner" (Mack Bolan) books that Gold Eagle churned out after Don Pendleton died.

I sometimes find it difficult to believe that we can have leaders who seem like something out of a Dilbert cartoon.

cheers

eon

542 badger1970  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:28:17am

re: #528 albusteve

Those overweight, pampered baby-killers are just yucking it up right now. I guess the good guys lose yet again with the won in charge.

It's similar to the Austin police chief bemoaning the fact that suspects can flee the officers but the officers have to risk their lives chasing them down. "We have to play by the rules. They don't"

543 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:28:59am

re: #518 SixDegrees

As I've said many times here, the religious right is no different from the Taliban in terms of their goals.

Do you have proof that all Christian fundamentalists want this nation to be a theocracy? I don't want that.

544 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:30:25am

Patch of Israel Desert Is Oldest Place on Earth

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Jews must have stole it from the Arabs. Must have right?

545 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:32:06am

Good Morning Lizards!
I woke up and then threw up...Huh oh..

546 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:32:17am

re: #544 Nevergiveup

Patch of Israel Desert Is Oldest Place on Earth

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Jews must have stole it from the Arabs. Must have right?

Wait a minute! Didn't the muslims invent dirt?
/

547 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:33:24am

re: #546 VegasRick

Wait a minute! Didn't the muslims invent dirt?
/

The Big Bang was an Allah fart.

SUBMIT.

548 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:33:28am

re: #545 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
I woke up and then threw up...Huh oh..

Better than the other way around.

549 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:33:39am

re: #545 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
I woke up and then threw up...Huh oh..

Long night out or Swine flu?

550 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:33:46am

re: #546 VegasRick

Wait a minute! Didn't the muslims invent dirt?
/


I thought the modern day media invented dirt, I guess they just improved on it.//

551 eon  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:34:11am

Well, have to run.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

552 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:34:12am

re: #540 KenJen

He should be personally held responsible for every life lost as a result of these releases. It's borderline traitorous.

the feds are not your friend, they will not protect you...they do not serve, they rule

553 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:34:15am

TEAM OBAMA MAY SEEK DISBARMENT OF BUSH LAWYERS...

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Anybody see this? It's on Drudge, but I can't bring up the story

554 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:35:03am

re: #553 Nevergiveup

It comes up for me.

555 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:35:09am

re: #550 soxfan4life

I thought the modern day media invented dirt, I guess they just improved on it.//

Perfected it.

556 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:35:47am

re: #554 rightside

It comes up for me.

And HH!
/

557 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:36:07am

re: #539 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Gloomy and cloudy in the valley and it's supposed to rain for the next couple of days. I don't care and it's better than sneaux.

How's every little thing?

Posts are a bit on the tense side this morning.
I tried to lighten up the mood with my #516, wrong audience I guess.

558 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:36:35am

Despite promises from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.) would retain his seniority after switching parties, Specter will be put at the end of the seniority line on all his committees but one under a resolution approved on the floor late Tuesday.

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

Ha ha

559 Miss Trixie  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:36:42am

re: #545 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
I woke up and then threw up...Huh oh..

Yikes! The flu? Feel better ... {HH}

560 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:36:55am

re: #553 Nevergiveup

TEAM OBAMA MAY SEEK DISBARMENT OF BUSH LAWYERS...

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Anybody see this? It's on Drudge, but I can't bring up the story

Officials conducting the internal Justice Department inquiry into the lawyers who wrote those memos have recommended referring two of the three lawyers — John Yoo and Jay Bybee — to state bar associations for possible disciplinary action, according to a person familiar with the inquiry. The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity, was not authorized to discuss the inquiry.

Either Barrett or his source is stupid because bar associations do not have the power to discipline attorneys.

561 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:36:58am

re: #549 KenJen

Long night out or Swine flu?

I was at home last night watching Basketball..I hope it isn't the flu..My gut is hurting right now

562 Miss Trixie  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:37:09am

re: #546 VegasRick

Wait a minute! Didn't the muslims invent dirt?
/

*snort*

563 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:37:10am

re: #554 rightside

It comes up for me.

Yeah I got it up also eventually. Teed that one up for ya.

564 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:37:56am

re: #553 Nevergiveup

TEAM OBAMA MAY SEEK DISBARMENT OF BUSH LAWYERS...

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Anybody see this? It's on Drudge, but I can't bring up the story

the BO approach to national security...the pieces are moving around the board...he doesn't even know who or what they are or their intentions...he is a child fixated on his shiny new toy...people are soon gonna die while he fusses in his crib

565 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:38:11am

re: #563 Nevergiveup

lol, reminds me of last week when 3 wood posted his first that day, someone replied, "morning wood!"

566 Miss Trixie  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:38:41am

re: #557 Irish Rose

Posts are a bit on the tense side this morning.
I tried to lighten up the mood with my #516, wrong audience I guess.

No sweat, toots. Glad to see you here anyway. :)

567 Miss Trixie  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:40:09am

re: #565 rightside

lol, reminds me of last week when 3 wood posted his first that day, someone replied, "morning wood!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's hysterical! :D

*snicker*

568 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:40:20am

Someone asked for the Biden thing at the Onion :

Here ya go

569 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:41:20am

re: #557 Irish Rose

Posts are a bit on the tense side this morning.
I tried to lighten up the mood with my #516, wrong audience I guess.

TENSE? WHO'S TENSE? I DON'T SEE NO FREAKIN' TENSENESS. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

570 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:42:30am

re: #561 HoosierHoops

We got a recorded mesage last night from the school about a possible case of swine flu at the school. Don't seem to recall getting the same for every other case of flu this year. They're making this out like if you get this flu it is an automatic death sentence. But on the bright side 0bama did ask for 1.5 billion to track it. WTF knows what we will do about it, but we're tracking it.

571 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:42:35am

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I pray that it is so.

572 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:43:19am

re: #561 HoosierHoops

I was at home last night watching Basketball..I hope it isn't the flu..My gut is hurting right now

Oh. Sooo sorry. I hope you get better quickly.

573 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:43:32am

GOOD NEWS! From Eli Lake in Today's W-Times...

EXCLUSIVE: Secret U.S.-Israel nuclear accord in jeopardy
Eli Lake

EXCLUSIVE:

President Obama's efforts to curb the spread of nuclear weapons threaten to expose and derail a 40-year-old secret U.S. agreement to shield Israel's nuclear weapons from international scrutiny, former and current U.S. and Israeli officials and nuclear specialists say.

Obama to Force Israel to Expose Nukes?

574 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:43:46am

re: #570 soxfan4life

We got a recorded mesage last night from the school about a possible case of swine flu at the school. Don't seem to recall getting the same for every other case of flu this year. They're making this out like if you get this flu it is an automatic death sentence. But on the bright side 0bama did ask for 1.5 billion to track it. WTF knows what we will do about it, but we're tracking it.

If Obama will cut me a check for 10 million..I'll track the flu to the bathroom all day with regular updates..

575 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:44:46am

re: #571 VegasRick

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I pray that it is so.

"Zion Oil and Gas" ZOG?!

576 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:45:04am

EU envoy to Israel Ramiro Cibrian-Uzal said Wednesday that upgrading the European Union's relations with Israel depends on finding a solution for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, based on the two-state solution. (Dana Zimmerman)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Is the EU's relations with the PA and Hamas tied to terrorism and Katushas?

577 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:45:07am

re: #571 VegasRick

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I pray that it is so.

[...] Established in April 2000 by John M. Brown, a Texas investor, Zion Oil and Gas operates on the surface like any other start-up venture. It is registered with the SEC, files regular reports, and sells stock to ordinary investors who hope to make money on Zion’s operations.

But Zion is no ordinary company, as Brown and other corporate executives are quick to point out.

During a 1983 visit to Israel, Brown had a vision that the God of Israel had deposited a “hidden treasure” deep beneath Israel.

“As a Christian Zionist and New Covenant believer, I received the calling to render assistance to the Jewish people and the Nation of Israel and to aid them in the restoration of the land by providing the oil and gas necessary to maintain their political and economic independence,” Brown says. [...]

Too bad AlbertaOilPeon isn't online...

578 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:45:37am

it never ends...the IDF should have gone straight for the tunnels...proof it was all for nothing


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

579 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:46:11am

re: #574 HoosierHoops

If Obama will cut me a check for 10 million..I'll track the flu to the bathroom all day with regular updates..

If you are an illegal he might consider it, but if you are a tax payer and citizen of the US you can forget all about it. You've had it too good for too long and 0bama will make you pay for your past sins.

580 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:46:43am

re: #577 freetoken

What about all the alleged oil under North/South Dakota? Supposedly couple billion barrels, the largest oil reserve on the globe.

Was that all just hooey?

581 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:47:37am

re: #578 albusteve

it never ends...the IDF should have gone straight for the tunnels...proof it was all for nothing

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It's like watching the same rerun of What's Happening over and over.
SSDD

582 johnnyreb  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:48:32am

re: #580 rightside

What about all the alleged oil under North/South Dakota? Supposedly couple billion barrels, the largest oil reserve on the globe.

Was that all just hooey?

Nope it is there. Shale oil tons of it, but the enviro wackos and the Dems wont let us touch it. Shell has a very small experimental station working there right now.

583 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:48:44am

Good morning y'all - from a soggy and moderate (65 degrees going up to 73 degrees, HEAVY RAIN and T-Storms predicted and maybe some more tornado activity) Charlotte!
I was off line from lunch to around midnight (eastern) last night because of the T-Storms and tornadoes around here. Fortunately no tornadoes hit us, but we are in the same weather pattern for the next 18-24 hours. So if I get off suddenly it's cause I have to, not that I'm being rude!

584 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:49:01am

re: #580 rightside

What about all the alleged oil under North/South Dakota? Supposedly couple billion barrels, the largest oil reserve on the globe.

Was that all just hooey?

Between building oil drilling equipment, harvesting the oil and refining it we could put most of our unemployed back to work and strengthen our dollar, so the current administration will have nothing to do with it.

585 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:49:03am

Hey... yet another meltdown downstairs... formulaic, not very original...

586 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:49:22am

re: #580 rightside

What about all the alleged oil under North/South Dakota? Supposedly couple billion barrels, the largest oil reserve on the globe.

Was that all just hooey?

it's there...the feds control all the oil...so no oil

587 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:52:05am

re: #585 freetoken

Hey... yet another meltdown downstairs... formulaic, not very original...

2 comments since 2007, and still logged in.

588 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:52:15am

Oh, btw, this is proably old news but I posted it on the prior thread last evening/early this morning:
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
It's worth reading trust me.

Also heard from someone "in the know" that Specter has been stripped of his seniority on all of his committtee's by the Democrats, in spite of what he says the Dems said to him to induce him to change party affiliations. Specter and the Democrats = perfect together! I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone the Democrats won't mug to get what they want?!

589 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:52:41am

re: #585 freetoken

Hey... yet another meltdown downstairs... formulaic, not very original...

Accusing Charles of being anti-science?! I want some of what he's smoking.

590 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:52:54am

re: #584 soxfan4life

Between building oil drilling equipment, harvesting the oil and refining it we could put most of our unemployed back to work and strengthen our dollar, so the current administration will have nothing to do with it.

yup...there is oil and gas all over the place..just about everywhere, but our elected officials and their appointed judges refuse to let us have our own resources...so we send trillions out of the country to people who want us dead...and we keep re-electing these very people

591 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:52:55am

re: #570 soxfan4life

They're making this out like if you get this flu it is an automatic death sentence.

Media-driven hysteria and totally irresponsible.
The current strain of swine flu is no more or less devastating than any of the other flu strains that we've seen pass through, just more contagious.

592 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:52:59am

re: #582 johnnyreb

re: #584 soxfan4life

re: #586 albusteve

Why am I getting flashbacks of Susan Powter singing, "STOP THE INSANITY!"

If I were president, that and ANWR would immediately be opened for drilling, and a plan to build nuclear power plants until we can stop importing oil.

593 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:53:12am

re: #588 realwest

Good morning my friend... They are purely opportunists who do not really care abotu the country... They care about keeping their jobs and passing their leftist secular-Progressive agenda.

594 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:53:32am

re: #582 johnnyreb

Nope it is there. Shale oil tons of it, but the enviro wackos and the Dems wont let us touch it. Shell has a very small experimental station working there right now.

Exactly.

595 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:53:44am

re: #580 rightside


Was that all just hooey?

I used to write a lot about oil here... but as the ID/religion threads got more heated I decided to concentrate my effort on those topics...

The ND (and eastern MT) "oil" thing was not new, there had been many exploratory drills, assessments, etc, over decades. At one time I posted several links to this "issue."

Because oil prices have fallen so much on the worldwide recession no one is paying much attention to oil. I am quite convinced that will change before 2012... When oil gets over $100/bbl again I bet we will see screams about the Bakken formation again...

I remain suspicious that the hype generated was some sort of astroturfing by land owners in ND.

596 Spartacus50  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:53:55am

Its been nine days now since AIR FORCE ONE terrorized the citizens of NYC. Still no details...did it ever really happen?

597 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:54:11am

Morning, everyone. Quick stop by.


re: #588 realwest

Oh, btw, this is proably old news but I posted it on the prior thread last evening/early this morning:
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
It's worth reading trust me.

Also heard from someone "in the know" that Specter has been stripped of his seniority on all of his committtee's by the Democrats, in spite of what he says the Dems said to him to induce him to change party affiliations. Specter and the Democrats = perfect together! I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone the Democrats won't mug to get what they want?!

Yes, I saw this at Hot Air. Rather hysterical, I think. He won't come out and complain, of course, because that would look like sour grapes and I doubt the Republicans would take him back. But it serves him right. Heh. Apparently the only thing that matters is "how long have you been a Dem?" to these folks.

598 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:54:24am

re: #586 albusteve

it's there...the feds control all the oil...so no oil

No true. Read up on it.

599 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:56:04am

re: #596 Spartacus50

Its been nine days now since AIR FORCE ONE terrorized the citizens of NYC. Still no details...did it ever really happen?

If a plane flies in the sky but nobody sees it...ah wait...but millions saw it. Never Mind.

600 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:56:06am

re: #597 vxbush

It would be nice if Specter stuck it to them on some votes they expect him to vote for, but I doubt he would do something that might mean standing on a principle.

601 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:56:12am

realwest...

Check your email...

602 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:56:45am

re: #599 Nevergiveup

If a plane flies in the sky but nobody sees it...ah wait...but millions saw it. Never Mind.

Michelle Malkin's column toay is about that... She's filed multiple FOIA requests...

603 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:56:49am

re: #598 freetoken

No true. Read up on it.

rhetorical then...we have plenty of oil and shale sitting around waiting for retrieval...

604 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:57:00am

re: #593 tfc3rid
Hi my friend - you're right about that - did you read my link? Now the same Feds who insisted that the CEO of BoA go forward with his purchase of Merrill-Lynch, are saying BoA needs another $34 Billion in capital. [Link: www.reuters.com...]
Y'all can't trust 'em at all.

605 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:57:32am

re: #596 Spartacus50

Its been nine days now since AIR FORCE ONE terrorized the citizens of NYC. Still no details...did it ever really happen?

Thats been classified.

606 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:57:46am

Gas has risen by .10 over the past few days here.

607 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:58:02am

re: #604 realwest

It's unsavory and completely insane... The Bush White House started this nonsense but it's only getting worse with the Glowbama Love-In.

608 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:58:09am

re: #602 tfc3rid

Michelle Malkin's column toay is about that... She's filed multiple FOIA requests...

The Yanks really showed the Red Soxs what hey didn't they?

609 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:58:26am

re: #606 MandyManners

Gas has risen by .10 over the past few days here.

Price of oil is rising again...

610 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:58:27am

re: #605 JohnnyReb

Thats been classified.

Someone needs to file a fucking FOIA action against FCBBHO.

611 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:58:35am

re: #600 soxfan4life

It would be nice if Specter stuck it to them on some votes they expect him to vote for, but I doubt he would do something that might mean standing on a principle.

If you told him that he would reply with, "I'm sorry, but what does 'principle' mean?"

612 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:58:47am

re: #595 freetoken

I did see the USGS article online about it, but wasn't absolutely sure. It seems like speculation, and I am sure there are those in that area who hype it.

If true though, imagine the wealth and jobs created by it? The economy would skyrocket. Of course, the dems would tax the shit out of everything, and with the new revenue they'd simply create new social programs.

613 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:00am

re: #602 tfc3rid

Michelle Malkin's column toay is about that... She's filed multiple FOIA requests...

She has?! FANTASTIC!

614 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:00am

re: #606 MandyManners

Gas has risen by .10 over the past few days here.

Gas could rise by $10 a gallon and the media would never express the outrage they did when it was a $4 a gallon under President Bush.

615 Spider Mensch  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:06am

hmmm..so according to some reports obama is starting to show his true intentions as far as his administration turning it's back on Israel? the EU talking tougher also..of course with friends like them who needs enema's...but it brings to mind some biblical prophecies I seem to remember...something about when the rest of the world turns against Gods chosen, it will be a sign of end of times...or some such...not that I'm 100% behind biblical prophecies...but it does make for a pauseto maybe think about things...

616 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:29am

re: #610 MandyManners

Someone needs to file a fucking FOIA action against FCBBHO.

I'd do it, but i really don't need the IRS looking up my...never mind.

617 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:29am

re: #604 realwest

Hi my friend - you're right about that - did you read my link? Now the same Feds who insisted that the CEO of BoA go forward with his purchase of Merrill-Lynch, are saying BoA needs another $34 Billion in capital. [Link: www.reuters.com...]
Y'all can't trust 'em at all.

And yet, no matter how much money they might get from the Feds, they are going to continue to go after their customers to get more money. It's guaranteed.

618 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:31am

re: #608 Nevergiveup

The Yanks really showed the Red Soxs what hey didn't they?

Wow... Red Sox own them right now...

Going to Mets-Phillies tonight at Citi... Happy it is not a weekend so there won't be too many crazy Philly fans up here... Things got violent last weekend down there...

619 Ojoe  Wed, May 6, 2009 6:59:59am

The light of the morning bathes a wall of trees in the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Well the sun came up, we can be thankful for that, and for nature generally.

Good Morning all.

620 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:00:18am

re: #597 vxbush Ah well, I hope the Republicans don't take him back and I strongly suspect that the Dems may yet field a worthy opponent to Specter in the Dem Primaries in PA for 2010 - they just needed him to get to their supermajority status I don't think they trust him anymore than I trust them!
How are you feeling today {vxbush}?

621 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:00:30am

re: #613 MandyManners

She has?! FANTASTIC!

Yes, she has... She's not sure how they will justify them not giving her the info... But she doesn't expect much...

She's requested photos, communications, flight manifests, etc...

622 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:00:58am

re: #608 Nevergiveup

The Yanks really showed the Red Soxs what hey didn't they?


$200 million just doesn't buy what it used to I guess.

623 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:01:45am

re: #597 vxbush

Morning, everyone. Quick stop by.

Yes, I saw this at Hot Air. Rather hysterical, I think. He won't come out and complain, of course, because that would look like sour grapes and I doubt the Republicans would take him back. But it serves him right. Heh. Apparently the only thing that matters is "how long have you been a Dem?" to these folks.

There's been a huge blowback from senior Dems over this issue. And who can blame 'em? Seniority equals power in Congress, and long-standing Dems were being brushed aside by a carpetbagger.

Apparently, Reid wasn't able to herd his membership toward his preferred solution - again - and Specter is getting the shaft as a result.

The amount of sleep I'll be losing over this development is incalculably small.

624 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:01:51am

Morning all, watching a crew of five install my new furnace and AC. Kinda funny watching all the code crap they have to comply with. They have to relocate the AC unit from under the deck because it has to be further from any structure. Since they moved it, code says they need a outdoor 110 volt receptacle near the unit for a tech.
The new, ultra high efficiency AC unit is twice the size and weight of the old one, but the furnace is tiny.

625 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:01:56am

re: #622 soxfan4life

$200 million just doesn't buy what it used to I guess.

They will be fine... There are enough Orioles and White Sox and Texas Rangers for the Yankees to beat up on that they will be fine and still win 90.

626 Spider Mensch  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:02:15am

re: #615 Spider Mensch


pimf..pause to not pauseto

627 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:03:00am

New plans for mideast "peace"
The quartet is working on one, but no details.
Meanwhile, the Arabs are coming up with another one, this time more of a Jordanian plan:

The offer will reportedly call for the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital and the Old City designated as an "international zone." The question of borders will be resolved with land swaps.

Some of the descendants of Palestinian refugees from Israel's War of Independence in 1948 will reportedly be allowed a right of return to the Palestinian state, while others will be naturalized in their countries of residence throughout the Arab world.

The revised initiative, the sources said, "will allow the Israeli flag to billow in all the capitals of the Arab world, while the Palestinian flag will be raised in the Arab neighborhoods of east Jerusalem, which will be the capital of the Palestinian state."

The UN banner will fly over the holy sites of the Old City of Jerusalem, the sources were quoted as saying.

The Palestinian sources said that the new initiative conceded that an influx of refugees and their descendants into Israel was broadly perceived as an existential threat to the Jewish state. The refugees "cannot return to the occupied Palestinian territories of 1948," they said, "for, according to the Americans' point of view, this would pose a danger to Israel's future."


This will sound reasonable to most people, unfortunately, but giving the UN authority over Jerusalem will certainly not protect Jewish holy sites.
The Moslems will throw so many rocks at the Jews worshiping at the Wall (assuming they are even allowed that close to a Muslim site) that the Mount will be worn down in a year.

And I'm sure the Arabs will come up with something else to make it unacceptable to Jews, but sound nice to almost everyone else, so they can blame Israel and Jews for not wanting peace.

628 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:03:10am

re: #624 avanti

What will they do with the old unit?

629 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:03:21am

re: #614 soxfan4life

Gas could rise by $10 a gallon and the media would never express the outrage they did when it was a $4 a gallon under President Bush.

Funny how it went down in the weeks leading up to the election. It took the wind out of the DRILL HERE DRILL NOW crowd's sails.

630 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:03:32am

Wow... Can you believe the President ordered a medium-well burger with MUSTARD? Wow... How Progressive...

This is seriously a news story... Incredible.

631 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:03:38am

re: #620 realwest

Ah well, I hope the Republicans don't take him back and I strongly suspect that the Dems may yet field a worthy opponent to Specter in the Dem Primaries in PA for 2010 - they just needed him to get to their supermajority status I don't think they trust him anymore than I trust them!
How are you feeling today {vxbush}?

Well, this is my crazy week, so it's more stressful than I would like, but I don't feel too bad today. It helps that my office isn't completely freezing cold for once.

I realize that those inside the beltway don't look at politics as we do, and so they don't see Specter's jump as the horrible crass thing that it is. But wouldn't this episode even show those inside the belt that you simply cannot trust the Dems? You cannot trust what they say regarding such simple things as committee leadership positions? You think it would be obvious by now, but apparently not.

632 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:03:41am

oil...lots of oil


[Link: www.nextenergynews.com...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

633 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:04:03am

re: #588 realwest

Oh, btw, this is proably old news but I posted it on the prior thread last evening/early this morning:
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
It's worth reading trust me.

Also heard from someone "in the know" that Specter has been stripped of his seniority on all of his committtee's by the Democrats, in spite of what he says the Dems said to him to induce him to change party affiliations. Specter and the Democrats = perfect together! I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone the Democrats won't mug to get what they want?!

They're certainly mugging taxpayers. Maybe they won't mug unions and illegal immigrants.

634 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:04:18am

re: #625 tfc3rid

They will be fine... There are enough Orioles and White Sox and Texas Rangers for the Yankees to beat up on that they will be fine and still win 90.

90 wins won't guarantee a playoff berth. Can't imagine Hank will be too happy if they fail to make the postseason again this year.

635 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:04:31am

re: #604 realwest

Hi my friend - you're right about that - did you read my link? Now the same Feds who insisted that the CEO of BoA go forward with his purchase of Merrill-Lynch, are saying BoA needs another $34 Billion in capital. [Link: www.reuters.com...]
Y'all can't trust 'em at all.

One is then led to ask: given the huge runup in the stock market over the last couple of months, what will Merrill's performance be like in the second quarter, and will such support even be necessary? It's hard to see how BoA needs even more money at this point.

I'd like to see the GOP start demanding a set of independent auditors to look over some of these firm's books.

636 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:05:15am

re: #629 MandyManners

Funny how it went down in the weeks leading up to the election. It took the wind out of the DRILL HERE DRILL NOW crowd's sails.

We still need to drill domestically... The goal is weaning ourselves further off MidEast oil... We need to do it... But we won't... We'll just follow come other cockameme schemes like solar or wind power...

637 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:05:18am

re: #616 Nevergiveup

I'd do it, but i really don't need the IRS looking up my...never mind.

Nothing like the heavy hand of a retributive Fed to eviscerate the citizenry's rights to stand up to tyranny.

638 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:05:59am

re: #621 tfc3rid

Yes, she has... She's not sure how they will justify them not giving her the info... But she doesn't expect much...

She's requested photos, communications, flight manifests, etc...

They'll have to answer it in court.

639 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:06am

re: #634 soxfan4life

90 wins won't guarantee a playoff berth. Can't imagine Hank will be too happy if they fail to make the postseason again this year.

I would imagine Joe Girardi would be out...

I think 90 wins will get a plyoff berth... The AL Central and West are not strong... I think the WC wins 89...

640 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:20am

re: #624 avanti

The new, ultra high efficiency AC unit is twice the size and weight of the old one, but the furnace is tiny.

That's because of the refrigerant now required, not because of the efficiency. We replaced ours a couple of years ago, and the AC unit looks like it's large enough to be used in a nuclear submarine.

641 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:29am

re: #612 rightside

The Wiki article, though in part reads like it was created by the ND Chamber of Commerce, finally gets to the punch line where it admits the technically recoverable amount of oil would be around 1% (maybe 2%) of the actual hydrocarbons in place.

Said technically recoverable amounts (using technology as of 2008... which is the best anyone has claimed to have) means the estimated amount of oil from the Bakken is equal to 1 or 2 years of US needs.

642 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:34am

re: #638 MandyManners

They'll have to answer it in court.

Well it seems as if she intends to follow it all the way through and not let it go...

643 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:37am

re: #630 tfc3rid

Wow... Can you believe the President ordered a medium-well burger with MUSTARD? Wow... How Progressive...

This is seriously a news story... Incredible.

I think he also got extra arugula on it.

I'v been meaning to check out Ray's Hell Burger (supposed to be the best burger in the DC area.) Now it will be too crowded all the time after the messiah ate there.

644 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:41am

re: #575 MandyManners

"Zion Oil and Gas" ZOG?!

Just a coincidence, Mandy. I am glad to hear that work. I'd prefer "Drill here" but "Drill in Israel" is OK as well. An increase in oil supplies is always welcome and that it comes from a friendly country is especially good. We probably won't see much of it, but it will allow Israel to gain some domestic supplies.

645 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:06:48am

re: #630 tfc3rid

Wow... Can you believe the President ordered a medium-well burger with MUSTARD? Wow... How Progressive...

This is seriously a news story... Incredible.

You forgot that he wanted SPICY mustard. He's such a daring dude.

646 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:06am

Hey, here's a story that baseball fans might like: it's about the guy who creates the sculptures of the greats at many fields, including the new one at the Cubs field.

From Metal comes Magic

Includes a series of photos of how he sculpted the work and poured the bronze.

647 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:08am

re: #628 KenJen

What will they do with the old unit?

I have no idea, they haul it away. I once bought a used, 8 year old gas furnace for my garage, so they may sell it to a recycle. If not, lots of copper and aluminum to save.

648 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:12am

re: #614 soxfan4life

Gas could rise by $10 a gallon and the media would never express the outrage they did when it was a $4 a gallon under President Bush.

They'll say how Obama is helping reduce global warming by discouraging use of gasoline.

649 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:20am

re: #639 tfc3rid

I would imagine Joe Girardi would be out...

I think 90 wins will get a plyoff berth... The AL Central and West are not strong... I think the WC wins 89...

90 wins could leave them looking up at Boston and Tampa Bay.

650 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:30am

re: #643 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think he also got extra arugula on it.

I'v been meaning to check out Ray's Hell Burger (supposed to be the best burger in the DC area.) Now it will be too crowded all the time after the messiah ate there.

It's like the 'Upper Room' for HIS followers...

651 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:40am

re: #518 SixDegrees

As I've said many times here, the religious right is no different from the Taliban in terms of their goals.

There's a big difference, though. The right will bitch about these things, and maybe try to change laws. The Taliban, on the other hand, simply kill people they don't like or agree with.

652 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:07:48am

re: #645 MandyManners

You forgot that he wanted SPICY mustard. He's such a daring dude.

Nah, he changed his mind to Dijon...

653 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:08:00am

re: #618 tfc3rid

Wow... Red Sox own them right now...

Going to Mets-Phillies tonight at Citi... Happy it is not a weekend so there won't be too many crazy Philly fans up here... Things got violent last weekend down there...

I am going to go to Yankee Stadium tonight with a friend and try to get in for free with my Military ID. I guess we will have to go early and see. I know they still have the Military Discount, I looked it up and called. But is on a if available basis. And I am still not 100% sure if I have to wear a uniform or not.

654 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:08:00am

re: #631 vxbush

Well, this is my crazy week, so it's more stressful than I would like, but I don't feel too bad today. It helps that my office isn't completely freezing cold for once.

I realize that those inside the beltway don't look at politics as we do, and so they don't see Specter's jump as the horrible crass thing that it is. But wouldn't this episode even show those inside the belt that you simply cannot trust the Dems? You cannot trust what they say regarding such simple things as committee leadership positions? You think it would be obvious by now, but apparently not.


Treachery is its own reward.

655 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:08:25am

re: #649 soxfan4life

90 wins could leave them looking up at Boston and Tampa Bay.

I don't think Tampa has it this year...

656 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:08:40am

re: #648 Kosh's Shadow

They'll say how Obama is helping reduce global warming by discouraging use of gasoline.

Didn't he heal the planet just by getting elected?///

657 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:08:47am

re: #651 Ward Cleaver

There's a big difference, though. The right will bitch about these things, and maybe try to change laws. The Taliban, on the other hand, simply kill people they don't like or agree with.

A difference only in tactics, not in goals.

658 nightlight  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:08:48am

[Link: www.thecuttingedgenews.com...]


When oil prices collapsed from $147 a barrel in the summer of 2008 to $35 a barrel in January 2009, American drivers, Congress, government bureaucrats, and the mainstream media refocused on other more pressing issues such as executive bonuses, Michele Obama’s wardrobe, and the tax law knowledge of Obama’s cabinet. The attention span of the average American is shorter than that of a gnat. As they text and twitter through life, the energy infrastructure continues to rust away, decades old wells are closer to depletion, and alternative energy projects have been scrapped by the thousands. Peak oil likely occurred between 2005 and 2009. The production of oil will now embark on a long slow decline. The world is not prepared.

659 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:09:04am

re: #653 Nevergiveup

I am going to go to Yankee Stadium tonight with a friend and try to get in for free with my Military ID. I guess we will have to go early and see. I know they still have the Military Discount, I looked it up and called. But is on a if available basis. And I am still not 100% sure if I have to wear a uniform or not.

StubHub man... There are DIRT cheap Field level seats (like $20)... The market for their prices has really crashed...

660 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:09:19am

re: #640 SixDegrees

That's because of the refrigerant now required, not because of the efficiency. We replaced ours a couple of years ago, and the AC unit looks like it's large enough to be used in a nuclear submarine.

Ah, that makes sense. I know when I convert my old Studebaker's to R 134, it loses cooling capacity over R 12.

661 acwgusa  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:09:27am

I think every city, county, and state should have at least 50 of these:

Plasma Turns Garbage into Gas

662 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:09:43am

re: #636 tfc3rid

We still need to drill domestically... The goal is weaning ourselves further off MidEast oil... We need to do it... But we won't... We'll just follow come other cockameme schemes like solar or wind power...

What NE area raised hell about the wind-mills? I remember what Pelosi did about the solar panels in that desert.

663 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:09:52am

re: #596 Spartacus50

Its been nine days now since AIR FORCE ONE terrorized the citizens of NYC. Still no details...did it ever really happen?

They forgot to take off the lens cap.

664 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:09:56am

As for burgers, next stop he and Joe will make is to the Shake Shack here in NYC...

665 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:10:05am

re: #655 tfc3rid

I don't think Tampa has it this year...

They've looked pretty good against Boston. 2-1 at Fenway and 3-1 at the Trop.

666 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:10:07am

re: #627 Kosh's Shadow

And the UN and Jordan administered the Old City so well last time?

667 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:10:13am

re: #627 Kosh's Shadow

New plans for mideast "peace"
The quartet is working on one, but no details.
Meanwhile, the Arabs are coming up with another one, this time more of a Jordanian plan:


This will sound reasonable to most people, unfortunately, but giving the UN authority over Jerusalem will certainly not protect Jewish holy sites.
The Moslems will throw so many rocks at the Jews worshiping at the Wall (assuming they are even allowed that close to a Muslim site) that the Mount will be worn down in a year.

And I'm sure the Arabs will come up with something else to make it unacceptable to Jews, but sound nice to almost everyone else, so they can blame Israel and Jews for not wanting peace.

A pity, because it would otherwise be a workable outline for a peace. Still, I suspect it will end up not working for the reasons you stated. Until the Arabs have given up the idea of destroying Israel, there can be no peace.
Hamas Delenda Est.

668 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:10:34am

re: #642 tfc3rid

Well it seems as if she intends to follow it all the way through and not let it go...

I wonder what kind of resources she has to see it through.

669 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:10:46am

re: #662 MandyManners

What NE area raised hell about the wind-mills? I remember what Pelosi did about the solar panels in that desert.

They are all good but the sheer number of installations that would be required to make up for a decent amount of the supply would be a limiting factor in everything...

670 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:10:57am

re: #659 tfc3rid

StubHub man... There are DIRT cheap Field level seats (like $20)... The market for their prices has really crashed...

At Yankee Stadium of Shea ( I know but it's habit )?

671 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #665 soxfan4life

They've looked pretty good against Boston. 2-1 at Fenway and 3-1 at the Trop.

I think they are a good team with good, solid young players but I think they are an 85 win team.

672 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

Just a coincidence, Mandy. I am glad to hear that work. I'd prefer "Drill here" but "Drill in Israel" is OK as well. An increase in oil supplies is always welcome and that it comes from a friendly country is especially good. We probably won't see much of it, but it will allow Israel to gain some domestic supplies.

I about fell out of my chair laughing at the ZOG thing.

673 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:11:44am

re: #646 vxbush

Hey, here's a story that baseball fans might like: it's about the guy who creates the sculptures of the greats at many fields, including the new one at the Cubs field.

From Metal comes Magic

Includes a series of photos of how he sculpted the work and poured the bronze.

Wow, that's amazing!

674 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:11:47am

re: #652 tfc3rid

Nah, he changed his mind to Dijon...

Wuss.

675 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:11:57am

re: #615 Spider Mensch

hmmm..so according to some reports obama is starting to show his true intentions as far as his administration turning it's back on Israel? the EU talking tougher also..of course with friends like them who needs enema's...but it brings to mind some biblical prophecies I seem to remember...something about when the rest of the world turns against Gods chosen, it will be a sign of end of times...or some such...not that I'm 100% behind biblical prophecies...but it does make for a pauseto maybe think about things...

When all the governments of the world are heretical and corrupt.
BTW, the coming of Mashiach (the Messiah in Hebrew), isn't so much "end times" in Judaism, but a time when all the nations will recognize G-d and honor His chosen people.
Beyond that, there is disagreement about how much the normal order will be upset. However, the curse of having to struggle for sustenance will be ended, and at some point there will be ressurection of the dead.

There have been enemies of Israel before, but never with nuclear weapons. And there is one writing in the Prophets (I always forget where) that sounds like the aftermath of a nuclear weapon hitting the armies that were invading Israel. I can see an Iranian nuke going off course like that.

676 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:02am

re: #608 Nevergiveup

The Yanks really showed the Red Soxs what hey didn't they?

From Malkins' column:


After the bizarre mission caused distress and panic among countless New York City residents who were intentionally left in the dark about the photo-op stunt, I filed two public records requests with the Office of the Secretary of Defense and Joint Staff FOIA Requester Service Center. The first one requests any and all communication — including e-mail and other public records and including any and all correspondence between the White House Military Office, Department of Defense, and other agencies — related to the planned federal aerial mission over New York City on April 27, 2009. Specifically, I requested all public records related to and including the flight manifests, and related to the origin of the request for the mission. The second filing requests any and all photos taken during the planned federal aerial mission approved by the White House Military Office.

What rationale could they possibly use to stifle public disclosure? National security? These were glamour shots to enhance the Air Force One photo portfolio. That’s no secret. The White House ‘fessed up on that. Withholding the photos serves only one purpose: protecting the backsides of those involved in this botched p.r. mission.

No Michelle, it means that they actually WERE glamour shots to enhance the Air Force One photo portfolio... and you're just using it to generate yet another ridiculous anti-Obama conspiracy theory, rile up your hyperactive far-right commenters, and increase your hit count.

/Malkins' journalistic integrity, R.I.P.

677 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:07am

re: #670 Nevergiveup

At Yankee Stadium of Shea ( I know but it's habit )?

Honestly, BOTH... I don't know why anyone would buy fro mthe teams anymore... They so overpriced every seat that the secondary market has crashed BIG TIME.

Mets-Phillies tix for tonight on StubHub start at like $5.

678 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:10am

re: #595 freetoken

I used to write a lot about oil here... but as the ID/religion threads got more heated I decided to concentrate my effort on those topics...

The ND (and eastern MT) "oil" thing was not new, there had been many exploratory drills, assessments, etc, over decades. At one time I posted several links to this "issue."

Because oil prices have fallen so much on the worldwide recession no one is paying much attention to oil. I am quite convinced that will change before 2012... When oil gets over $100/bbl again I bet we will see screams about the Bakken formation again...

I remain suspicious that the hype generated was some sort of astroturfing by land owners in ND.

We continue to let the ups and downs of the market and the environmental lobbies dictate what we do with our own energy sources. I don't have much hope that we will get smarter about it any time soon.

679 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:12am

re: #641 freetoken

Thanks for that!

680 acwgusa  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:16am

re: #661 acwgusa

I think every city, county, and state should have at least 50 of these:

Plasma Turns Garbage into Gas

Naturally, the fucking idiots at Greenpeace oppose the plants. Fuck them, toss them into the plasma chamber.

681 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:34am

re: #671 tfc3rid

I think they are a good team with good, solid young players but I think they are an 85 win team.

When all is said and done, whoever wins in the AL East this year, it will come down to pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

682 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:41am

re: #669 tfc3rid

They are all good but the sheer number of installations that would be required to make up for a decent amount of the supply would be a limiting factor in everything...

Was the state Connecticut or Massachusetts?

683 KansasMom  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:42am

re: #624 avanti

Morning all, watching a crew of five install my new furnace and AC. Kinda funny watching all the code crap they have to comply with. They have to relocate the AC unit from under the deck because it has to be further from any structure. Since they moved it, code says they need a outdoor 110 volt receptacle near the unit for a tech.
The new, ultra high efficiency AC unit is twice the size and weight of the old one, but the furnace is tiny.

When we had our new furnace installed, they had to cut 2 vent holes between the basement (where the furnace is located) and the upper floor. We made them cut 2 holes in the door at the top of the stairs, then replaced the door later.

684 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:51am

re: #664 tfc3rid

As for burgers, next stop he and Joe will make is to the Shake Shack here in NYC...

is that the guy in Central Park?

685 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:12:53am

re: #658 nightlight

[Link: www.thecuttingedgenews.com...]


When oil prices collapsed from $147 a barrel in the summer of 2008 to $35 a barrel in January 2009, American drivers, Congress, government bureaucrats, and the mainstream media refocused on other more pressing issues such as executive bonuses, Michele Obama’s wardrobe, and the tax law knowledge of Obama’s cabinet. The attention span of the average American is shorter than that of a gnat. As they text and twitter through life, the energy infrastructure continues to rust away, decades old wells are closer to depletion, and alternative energy projects have been scrapped by the thousands. Peak oil likely occurred between 2005 and 2009. The production of oil will now embark on a long slow decline. The world is not prepared.

Those nuts have been predicting peak oil has occurred for the past 40+ years. They have made literally hundreds of predictions on peak oil since the early 19702 and they have been 100% wrong each and every single time.

Matt Simmons and his buddies are pretty much kooks out to sells doomsday books that they write.

686 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:13:20am

re: #676 irish rose

Is it not right for her to question and request information on it? We were left in the dark and people were throw into chaos...

687 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:13:27am

re: #601 tfc3rid Received and replied my friend!

688 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:13:50am

re: #682 MandyManners

Was the state Connecticut or Massachusetts?

I think MA.

689 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:14:11am

re: #677 tfc3rid

Honestly, BOTH... I don't know why anyone would buy fro mthe teams anymore... They so overpriced every seat that the secondary market has crashed BIG TIME.

Mets-Phillies tix for tonight on StubHub start at like $5.

Do you buy them online and print the tickets out? Or do you need a few days?

690 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:14:22am

re: #684 albusteve

is that the guy in Central Park?

Madison Square Park... There is now a second one on the Upper West Side and one in Citi Field...

691 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:14:44am

re: #660 avanti

Ah, that makes sense. I know when I convert my old Studebaker's to R 134, it loses cooling capacity over R 12.

Upgrading the condenser usually helps in that department, and adding an electric fan in front of the condenser helps, too.

692 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:14:45am

re: #688 tfc3rid

I think MA.

Didn't a Kennedy object?

693 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:01am

re: #689 Nevergiveup

Do you buy them online and print the tickets out? Or do you need a few days?

You can buy day-of up until 2 hours prior to the game... Those are tix from Season and Plan ticket holders for the most part... I sell my Mets tix that way...

694 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:09am

re: #661 acwgusa

I think every city, county, and state should have at least 50 of these:

Plasma Turns Garbage into Gas

Dr. Emmett Brown (Back to The Future) was a man ahead of his time, wasn't he...

695 KansasMom  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #621 tfc3rid

Yes, she has... She's not sure how they will justify them not giving her the info... But she doesn't expect much...

She's requested photos, communications, flight manifests, etc...

I hope they answer her request, otherwise the conspiracy theories are really going to take flight. So to speak.

696 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:32am

re: #692 MandyManners

Didn't a Kennedy object?

The swimmer did not them off the Vineyard...

697 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:37am

re: #693 tfc3rid

You can buy day-of up until 2 hours prior to the game... Those are tix from Season and Plan ticket holders for the most part... I sell my Mets tix that way...

How do you get the tickets?

698 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:39am

re: #657 SixDegrees

A difference only in tactics, not in goals.

So which would you rather have? The right, or the Taliban?

699 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #690 tfc3rid

Madison Square Park... There is now a second one on the Upper West Side and one in Citi Field...

saw him on TV...people arrange their whole afternoon around his burgers

700 freetoken  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:15:55am

re: #658 nightlight

No doubt about it, the First Lady's arms have attracted a whole lot more attention, from the chattering class, than has oil depletion/discovery and the relationship to the price of oil.

The IEA and various industry concerns have been sending out warning messages for months about the dramatic fall off in drilling and investment in production, due to the oil price crash. This is cause for concern because new wells have be continually drilled.

It's going to bite us in the ass in the not too distant future... 2011, 2012? Compound that with future inflation and lower value to the dollar, and oil prices could get very nasty.

701 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:16:18am

re: #697 Nevergiveup

How do you get the tickets?

What do you mean? They are print at home instantly.

702 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:16:34am

re: #650 tfc3rid

It's like the 'Upper Room' for HIS followers...

The closest I've been to something like that was when we ate at La Summa in Boston's North End, and Mayor Menino and his group ate in the back room.

703 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:16:40am

re: #701 tfc3rid

What do you mean? They are print at home instantly.

OK got it. OK I will look. Thanks

704 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:17:25am

re: #699 albusteve

saw him on TV...people arrange their whole afternoon around his burgers

Dannt Meyer and the Union Square Hospitality Group... They run the CF 'Taste of the City' at Citi Field, with the Shake Shack, Blue Smoke (BBQ), El Verano Taqueria (Tex Mex) and Box Frites (Belgian Frites)...

Food is tremendous...

705 acwgusa  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:17:29am

re: #694 bloodnok

Dr. Emmett Brown (Back to The Future) was a man ahead of his time, wasn't he...

I want my flying Delorean, dammit!

706 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:17:37am

re: #669 tfc3rid

They are all good but the sheer number of installations that would be required to make up for a decent amount of the supply would be a limiting factor in everything...

I saw a link somewhere recently about wind farms and health. Now I wish I'd clicked on it and read the article.

707 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:17:52am

re: #612 rightside
Hi rightside! Wealth and jobs? Can't have that, doncha know that cap and trade is coming to town next week - yup, fossil fuels are gonna be MUCH MORE expensive - indeed Harry Waxman (D-Stupid) is going to bypass the House Subcomittee on energy and try to get the full House committee to vote on it before summer "break".
That the cost of cap and trade will be borne MUCH MORE by Americans in the Midwest (think coal, steel) is apparently of no matter to Waxman or many of the Dems.

708 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:18:35am

Miss California is being tossed under the bus by the religious right for her "pornographic" pictures. BTW, the porn was a picture of her in panties with her arms over her boobs. the picture was so mild, it was shown on Fox TV.
The poor gal is being vilified from both sides and it's really sad.

Porn ?.

709 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:18:36am

re: #698 Ward Cleaver

So which would you rather have? The right, or the Taliban?

Neither. Theocracy == Bad.

710 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:18:49am

re: #704 tfc3rid

Dannt Meyer and the Union Square Hospitality Group... They run the CF 'Taste of the City' at Citi Field, with the Shake Shack, Blue Smoke (BBQ), El Verano Taqueria (Tex Mex) and Box Frites (Belgian Frites)...

Food is tremendous...

NYC is just too cool...to visit

711 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:18:57am

re: #682 MandyManners

Was the state Connecticut or Massachusetts?

MA it's the green energy advocates Sen.'s Kerry and Kennedy who oppose it.

[Link: www.capewind.org...]


[Link: www.gather.com...]


[Link: www.bluemassgroup.com...]

712 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #680 acwgusa

Naturally, the fucking idiots at Greenpeace oppose the plants. Fuck them, toss them into the plasma chamber.

No, just call them Luddites and talk past them. Talk to the public about the reduction in landfills, talk about how burning methane provides clean power instead of greenhouse gasses. The other thing I would do is apply for porkilus money and try to gain administration favor. This is the kind of project I could see Obama embracing (I'd also try to get a plant running in Chicago, to get Barack political buddies behind the idea). I dislike BHO immensely, but he supports an idea like this, Greenpeace will be irrelevant (and the "Sister Soulja moment" of throwing Greenpeace under the bus would help him politically as well).

713 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:19:18am

re: #696 tfc3rid

The swimmer did not them off the Vineyard...

Freakin' hypocrite.

714 acwgusa  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:19:44am

re: #707 realwest

Hi rightside! Wealth and jobs? Can't have that, doncha know that cap and trade is coming to town next week - yup, fossil fuels are gonna be MUCH MORE expensive - indeed Harry Waxman (D-Stupid) is going to bypass the House Subcomittee on energy and try to get the full House committee to vote on it before summer "break".
That the cost of cap and trade will be borne MUCH MORE by Americans in the Midwest (think coal, steel) is apparently of no matter to Waxman or many of the Dems.

He has to bypass it, because the committee laughed its ass off, and threw his cap and trade idea under the bus. Ugly bastard will cut his nose off to spite his face. His nose might appreciate being separated.

715 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:20:01am

re: #657 SixDegrees

A difference only in tactics, not in goals.

Every fundamentalist Christian wants a theocracy? Link?

716 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:20:13am

re: #675 Kosh's Shadow


There have been enemies of Israel before, but never with nuclear weapons. And there is one writing in the Prophets (I always forget where) that sounds like the aftermath of a nuclear weapon hitting the armies that were invading Israel. I can see an Iranian nuke going off course like that.

Zechariah, chapter 14. It's the Prophets reading on Sukkot.

717 saberry0530  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:20:26am

THe MMC, ( a part of the Dept of INterior) has suspended the issuing of permits for offshore drilling in the Gulf of MExico due to a court of appeals ruling out of Alaska. No word on when new permits will start being issued.

718 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:20:27am

re: #625 tfc3rid Geez, is summer over already? My gosh, how time flies!
/

719 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:20:29am

Obama to press Pakistan on fight against Taliban
(2nd para) "... Obama will press Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to do more against the Taliban ..."

Oh yeah, right. Like Zardari has clout with the Army, not to mention the ISI.

*snicker/chortle*
*clicking Post Comment before I utterly lose it*

/history's gonna let fly with a club on this one, and it won't be pretty

720 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:20:59am

re: #711 soxfan4life

MA it's the green energy advocates Sen.'s Kerry and Kennedy who oppose it.

[Link: www.capewind.org...]


[Link: www.gather.com...]


[Link: www.bluemassgroup.com...]

Fucking hypocrites.

721 UFO TOFU  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:21:18am

re: #660 avanti

Ah, that makes sense. I know when I convert my old Studebaker's to R 134, it loses cooling capacity over R 12.

I was told by a CHP officer that cars using the newer refrigerant are allowed a darker tint on the glass to help compensate.

I have no idea why I thought you might want to know that.

722 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:21:29am

re: #701 tfc3rid

What do you mean? They are print at home instantly.

I just looked. Your right it does appear to be a good option. Thanks

723 acwgusa  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:21:40am

re: #712 Dark_Falcon

No, just call them Luddites and talk past them. Talk to the public about the reduction in landfills, talk about how burning methane provides clean power instead of greenhouse gasses. The other thing I would do is apply for porkilus money and try to gain administration favor. This is the kind of project I could see Obama embracing (I'd also try to get a plant running in Chicago, to get Barack political buddies behind the idea). I dislike BHO immensely, but he supports an idea like this, Greenpeace will be irrelevant (and the "Sister Soulja moment" of throwing Greenpeace under the bus would help him politically as well).

Unfortunately, Luddites can have lawyers to muck things up.

724 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:21:49am

re: #719 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Obama to press Pakistan on fight against Taliban
(2nd para) "... Obama will press Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to do more against the Taliban ..."

Oh yeah, right. Like Zardari has clout with the Army, not to mention the ISI.

*snicker/chortle*
*clicking Post Comment before I utterly lose it*

/history's gonna let fly with a club on this one, and it won't be pretty

my money is on the Talis...

725 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:22:11am

re: #713 MandyManners

Freakin' hypocrite.

Is it ironic that he named his dog splash?

726 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:22:13am

re: #708 avanti

Miss California is being tossed under the bus by the religious right for her "pornographic" pictures. BTW, the porn was a picture of her in panties with her arms over her boobs. the picture was so mild, it was shown on Fox TV.
The poor gal is being vilified from both sides and it's really sad.

Porn ?.

Agreed, avanti. Both the PC of the left and right are coming together to smash her. Perhaps Charles should invite her to join up here, since here she could at least find non-PC sanity.

727 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:22:15am

Okay, this is scaring me. It's way too quiet here today. I don't have fifty people outside my door banging for reports.

728 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:22:26am

re: #631 vxbush
Well I'm glad you're not feeling poorly! But as for the "inside the beltway" folks - hell these days most of 'em are Democrats!

HOPE! CHANGE!

729 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:23:12am

re: #724 albusteve

my money is on the Talis...

Unless the Army does another number.

730 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:23:35am

re: #727 vxbush

Okay, this is scaring me. It's way too quiet here today. I don't have fifty people outside my door banging for reports.

They're in the basement bunker plotting your demise!

///

731 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:23:49am

re: #686 tfc3rid

Is it not right for her to question and request information on it? We were left in the dark and people were throw into chaos...

Sure, except that she's exploiting the incident for the sole purpose of whipping up her sycophants and generating yet another conspiracy theory that will keep her hyperventilating readers in a state of hit-increasing rage for weeks.

Michelle Malkin is not the fearless standard-bearer of conservatism, sorry... she's just another opportunistic media personality who will do and say anything for the purpose of self promotion.

732 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:24:19am

re: #730 sattv4u2

They're in the basement bunker plotting your demise!

///

SSSH! Don't say that, they'll hear you! No, I figure that about 9:45 or 10:15 I will get deluged...

733 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:24:28am

re: #726 Dark_Falcon

I volunteer to be her mentor here.

734 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:24:36am

re: #727 vxbush

Okay, this is scaring me. It's way too quiet here today. I don't have fifty people outside my door banging for reports.

WHERE'S THAT REPORT YOU PROMISED?!

/merely trying to give you peace of mind

735 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:24:40am

re: #635 SixDegrees
Sorry, I should have been more clear - it's NOT BoA that thinks it needs $34 Billion more capital, it's the Feds with their "secret" Stress Test that say they need it. They also say SunTrust, FifthThirdBancorp and a bunch of other banks need more capital as well, based on their "stress test".

736 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:24:42am

re: #713 MandyManners

Freakin' hypocrite.

Sooner or later the enviros and the Dems are going to realize that wind and solar are not going to be built in this country simply because no one wants them anywhere near them. Plus the fact that windmills are pretty much bird doomsday machines.

737 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:24:50am

re: #520 eon

Rush coined the word 'Gorbasm' to describe the left's response to Gorbachev's leadership in the former Soviet Union. Gorby was the only hope for peace on the face of the earth, according to leftist activists.


I prefer to think of it as Obamaluvvv!

This made me think of the Soviet term oblómovshchina meaning something like "a pathological tendency towards inactivity and uselessness" -- a good way to render it in English might be "oblomov-itis." It's a reference to the 19th-century comic novel Oblomov, whose title character was a Russian nobleman with these qualities.

"Obamashchina" (Обамащина) would be a good updated term for our times...

738 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:25:14am

re: #725 soxfan4life

Is it ironic that he named his dog splash?

It goes beyond irony and well over into insensitivity.

739 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:25:29am

re: #720 MandyManners

Fucking hypocrites.


I'm an IBEW construction worker, and the project would put alot of us to work. Seems like both Sens. are only aware of our existence when they want contributions and votes. Sadly the union leadership is blind to this, and blindly support both of these assholes for every thing they want.

740 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:26:07am

re: #731 irish rose

Sure, except that she's exploiting the incident for the sole purpose of whipping up her sycophants and generating yet another conspiracy theory that will keep her hyperventilating readers in a state of hit-increasing rage for weeks.

Michelle Malkin is not the fearless standard-bearer of conservatism, sorry... she's just another opportunistic media personality who will do and say anything for the purpose of self promotion.

But Rose, why would they now say that those photos are classified? That just reeks to me. And if Obama claims he's going to have a more open administration, I think it's reasonable to test that hypothesis, especially when he's obviously obfuscating.

741 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:26:16am

re: #736 JohnnyReb

Sooner or later the enviros and the Dems are going to realize that wind and solar are not going to be built in this country simply because no one wants them anywhere near them. Plus the fact that windmills are pretty much bird doomsday machines.

I'm all for them.

742 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:26:22am

re: #723 acwgusa

Unfortunately, Luddites can have lawyers to muck things up.

That's why you get one of the early plants in Chicago, where Mayor Daley can bypass the legal gridlock with a good Chicago corrupt bargain. He shoves the project through, while whispering Obama's ear about the green jobs and good PR it'll create. Against the Chicago Machine, the Luddites won't have a chance.

743 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:26:25am

re: #722 Nevergiveup

I just looked. Your right it does appear to be a good option. Thanks

The additional fees are also less than that you would pay by going through the teams themselves...

A lot of Season and Plan holders taking a bath on tickets...

744 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:26:36am

re: #734 pre-Boomer Marine brat

WHERE'S THAT REPORT YOU PROMISED?!

/merely trying to give you peace of mind

Heh. How very kind of you.

/Where's that tazer that works across the Internet...

745 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:26:58am

re: #739 soxfan4life

I'm an IBEW construction worker, and the project would put alot of us to work. Seems like both Sens. are only aware of our existence when they want contributions and votes. Sadly the union leadership is blind to this, and blindly support both of these assholes for every thing they want.

Have you let the leaders of the IBEW know where you stand?

746 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:27:00am

re: #715 MandyManners

Every fundamentalist Christian wants a theocracy? Link?

Hey, don't get him off his bigotry.

747 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:27:16am

re: #731 irish rose

And what is wrong with that overall?

748 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:27:21am

re: #726 Dark_Falcon

Agreed, avanti. Both the PC of the left and right are coming together to smash her. Perhaps Charles should invite her to join up here, since here she could at least find non-PC sanity.

The poor girl stands up for her Christian beliefs about gay marriage at the risk of losing the crown, and then gets labeled as not "pure" enough for some Christians. Now, the pageant is thinking of striping her of the Miss California crown, damn shame.

749 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:27:35am

re: #744 vxbush

Heh. How very kind of you.

/Where's that tazer that works across the Internet...

*ducking*

750 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:27:35am

re: #743 tfc3rid

The additional fees are also less than that you would pay by going through the teams themselves...

A lot of Season and Plan holders taking a bath on tickets...

Their lose our gain.

751 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #746 Ward Cleaver

Hey, don't get him off his bigotry.

Gets my knickers in a twist.

752 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:28:25am

Morning all! Any real news yet today or just more fluff from the MSM?

I'm tired of reading about Obama's lunch and evening walks with his wife.

753 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:28:45am

re: #657 SixDegrees

Quite amazing.

So the religious right, (many whom you tend to smear in this opinion are also actively now, and have been serving in our armed forces in Afghanistan fighting against the Taliban) are actually looking to replace that theocracy with their own.

Before you lump me in, don't. I am a marginal Catholic. I drink, appreciate the scantily clad female body, and love Rock & Roll.

But quite frankly, this is not just one post you have made to this effect, even just this morning.

Kooks abound everywhere. Every shade, every side, you name it. From hating Jews, to anti-vaccines idiots, etc.

Please back up your assertions of how the right in this country are looking to implement a defacto-sharia state. Seriously, make comparisons. I am perfectly fine with critical analysis, but your are spitting hyperbole.

Please, find some real instances. Non Phelps types, but a genuine movement who is looking to deprive women of true medical care. How many televisions have they sought to ban? Radios?

You are painting with a massive brush.

754 Spider Mensch  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:29:15am

re: #675 Kosh's Shadow

When all the governments of the world are heretical and corrupt.
BTW, the coming of Mashiach (the Messiah in Hebrew), isn't so much "end times" in Judaism, but a time when all the nations will recognize G-d and honor His chosen people.
Beyond that, there is disagreement about how much the normal order will be upset. However, the curse of having to struggle for sustenance will be ended, and at some point there will be ressurection of the dead.

There have been enemies of Israel before, but never with nuclear weapons. And there is one writing in the Prophets (I always forget where) that sounds like the aftermath of a nuclear weapon hitting the armies that were invading Israel. I can see an Iranian nuke going off course like that.


Thanks, as I said my knowledge of biblical prophecies leave much to be forgotten. But as I said it is iteresting and quite scary if you are a true believer.

755 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:29:16am

re: #740 vxbush

But Rose, why would they now say that those photos are classified? That just reeks to me. And if Obama claims he's going to have a more open administration, I think it's reasonable to test that hypothesis, especially when he's obviously obfuscating.

I think they realized they messed up badly and do not want those pictures on a website reminding people of that day that they messed up badly. Is it a memory hole situation? Probably. But it's the mea culpas in the organiztion that are important, not the pictures themselves.

756 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #657 SixDegrees

A difference only in tactics, not in goals.

WHAT? You say that as if it's a throwaway line. A difference between elected, democratic officials making stupid decisions is a HELL OF LOT DIFFERENT than the Talbian chopping off peoples' heads, stoning gays and blowing up other Muslims as well as Westeners, is a MAJOR effin' difference to me.

757 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:30:06am

re: #729 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Unless the Army does another number.

"do the Hokey Pokey"

758 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:30:07am

re: #676 irish rose

No Michelle, it means that they actually WERE glamour shots to enhance the Air Force One photo portfolio... and you're just using it to generate yet another ridiculous anti-Obama conspiracy theory, rile up your hyperactive far-right commenters, and increase your hit count.

/Malkins' journalistic integrity, R.I.P.

Not releasing the photos plays right in to the conspiracy theorists. If it was only a photo-op, where are the photos?
Watch them be a surprise present for a former AF1 pilot or other worker. Once that is out, they'll be released.

759 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:30:38am

re: #753 formercorpsman

I am a marginal Catholic. I drink, appreciate the scantily clad female body, and love Rock & Roll.

I've been a Catholic for 55 years. All the ones I know and have known hold all three of those things dearly! The only difference MAY be musical taste!

760 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:30:45am

Here's a good article about the wind farms in Oregon, with tons of comments, too. A lot of them bashing the greenies in Portland.

761 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:31:17am

re: #745 MandyManners

Have you let the leaders of the IBEW know where you stand?

Why do you think I'm laid off right now? A few years back our Business Manager endorsed a R in a state election because he had a 85% pro labor voting record. The membership about had him drawn and quartered. We have close to 2000 people on the book looking for work, so only the well connected and those who don't rock the boat are working. Unfortunately one of the places our union sends those who they are trying to protect is the Globe, so I'm expecting a radical change in referral procedures soon.

762 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:31:17am

re: #748 avanti

The poor girl stands up for her Christian beliefs about gay marriage at the risk of losing the crown, and then gets labeled as not "pure" enough for some Christians. Now, the pageant is thinking of striping her of the Miss California crown, damn shame.

A crying shame. I've got to go now. TTYL

763 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:31:52am

re: #758 Kosh's Shadow

Not releasing the photos plays right in to the conspiracy theorists. If it was only a photo-op, where are the photos?
Watch them be a surprise present for a former AF1 pilot or other worker. Once that is out, they'll be released.

Okay, now I could see that. But geez, let the secret go already.

764 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:31:57am

7:13 Hippo dies in Ramat Gan safari park during castration operation (Reuters)

?

765 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:32:03am

re: #759 sattv4u2

I like country, jazz, sould, funk, really not much I don't.

766 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:32:07am

re: #698 Ward Cleaver

So which would you rather have? The right, or the Taliban?

Personally, I can handle people who tell me I'm going to Hell.
It is those people who want to send me there that I have a problem with.

767 KansasMom  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:32:11am

re: #748 avanti

The poor girl stands up for her Christian beliefs about gay marriage at the risk of losing the crown, and then gets labeled as not "pure" enough for some Christians. Now, the pageant is thinking of striping her of the Miss California crown, damn shame.

I agree with you. It isn't fair for them to ask the question, then attack her for answering honestly. Its not like she offered her opinion, she was put on the spot. Agree with her answer or not, she was at least polite and honest.

768 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:32:21am

re: #759 sattv4u2

I am a marginal Catholic. I drink, appreciate the scantily clad female body, and love Rock & Roll.

I've been a Catholic for 55 years. All the ones I know and have known hold all three of those things dearly! The only difference MAY be musical taste!

here here!

769 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:33:17am

re: #768 simonml

here here!

where where !?!?!?

770 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:33:33am

re: #676 irish rose Good morning Rose - methinks you need to re-read what Malkin said. She said they were glamor shots and with holding them from public scrutiny is merely an attempt to cover up a truly boneheaded plan in the first place.
And she's right.
And I don't think Obama knew about the flight until after the fact.

771 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:33:40am

re: #705 acwgusa

I want my flying Delorean, dammit!

You'll be able to get a flying Honda soon, but no time machine.

772 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:33:49am

re: #757 albusteve

"do the Hokey Pokey"

Coup you hold it down a bit?
/Obama's trying to eat his waffle

773 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:33:56am

17:13 Kerry: Sanctions have slowed, but not stopped Iran nuclear program (Haaretz)

Yeah right? Jackass.

774 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:34:00am

re: #769 sattv4u2

where where !?!?!?

There! There!

775 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:34:14am

I see my spelling error.

My defense? The office is out of half & half. I need some coffee.

776 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:34:19am

re: #739 soxfan4life

I'm an IBEW construction worker, and the project would put alot of us to work. Seems like both Sens. are only aware of our existence when they want contributions and votes. Sadly the union leadership is blind to this, and blindly support both of these assholes for every thing they want.

I have a BiL who travels back and forth between West Texas and Kansas, working on a couple of huge wind farm projects. He works on connecting them into the grid.

777 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:34:25am

re: #726 Dark_Falcon

Agreed, avanti. Both the PC of the left and right are coming together to smash her. Perhaps Charles should invite her to join up here, since here she could at least find non-PC sanity.

I am willing to offer asylum to Miss California. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Although she and my wife would have to settle their differences, maybe through, I dunno, a pillow fight.)

778 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #767 KansasMom

I agree with you. It isn't fair for them to ask the question, then attack her for answering honestly. Its not like she offered her opinion, she was put on the spot. Agree with her answer or not, she was at least polite and honest.

Which is much more than can be said for those attacking her. Pretty sad that our supposed watchdog media treats Ms. Prejean like this while licking the Presidents dirty boots.

779 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:35:02am

re: #753 formercorpsman

Quite amazing.

So the religious right, (many whom you tend to smear in this opinion are also actively now, and have been serving in our armed forces in Afghanistan fighting against the Taliban) are actually looking to replace that theocracy with their own.

Before you lump me in, don't. I am a marginal Catholic. I drink, appreciate the scantily clad female body, and love Rock & Roll.

But quite frankly, this is not just one post you have made to this effect, even just this morning.

Kooks abound everywhere. Every shade, every side, you name it. From hating Jews, to anti-vaccines idiots, etc.

Please back up your assertions of how the right in this country are looking to implement a defacto-sharia state. Seriously, make comparisons. I am perfectly fine with critical analysis, but your are spitting hyperbole.

Please, find some real instances. Non Phelps types, but a genuine movement who is looking to deprive women of true medical care. How many televisions have they sought to ban? Radios?

You are painting with a massive brush.

It's a brush of the proper size. We just fought off an attempt to ram creationism down the throats of schoolchildren under the guise of science right here in my own neighborhood. Sorry you don't like the message, but this messenger is seeing way too much of this shit happening across the nation.

If you're more comfortable wrapping layers and layers of ridiculous qualifications around the term "religious right," feel free. It isn't going to change the fact that they are attempting to establish theocratic rule, just as the Taliban are.

If you're feeling you've been lumped into a category you don't belong in, perhaps you simply need to examine why you're feeling so guilty in the first place.

780 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:35:15am

re: #777 Occasional Reader


3 dings for that if I was allowed.

781 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:35:16am

re: #769 sattv4u2

where where !?!?!?

[Link: www.enchantedlearning.com...]

782 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #707 realwest

Hi rightside! Wealth and jobs? Can't have that, doncha know that cap and trade is coming to town next week - yup, fossil fuels are gonna be MUCH MORE expensive - indeed Harry Waxman (D-Stupid) is going to bypass the House Subcomittee on energy and try to get the full House committee to vote on it before summer "break".
That the cost of cap and trade will be borne MUCH MORE by Americans in the Midwest (think coal, steel) is apparently of no matter to Waxman or many of the Dems.

Markey (Dingbat, MA) is also in on this. He doesn't realize that NE pays some of the highest energy costs in the country, and this will make it even more expensive.

783 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:35:41am

re: #770 realwest

And I don't think Obama knew about the flight until after the fact

But someone high up in the White house 9Rahm !?!?!) certainly did. Something of that magnitude isn't thought up and approved by low level "grunts" or interns!

784 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:35:55am

re: #748 avanti

The poor girl stands up for her Christian beliefs about gay marriage at the risk of losing the crown, and then gets labeled as not "pure" enough for some Christians. Now, the pageant is thinking of striping her of the Miss California crown, damn shame.

I feel sorry for the girl but pageants are stupid. Why anyone would participate in one is beyond me. Ratings for Miss America are not so great. If it wasn't for the scandal no one would have known there was a pageant. I don't even know who won.

785 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:36:04am

re: #761 soxfan4life

Why do you think I'm laid off right now? A few years back our Business Manager endorsed a R in a state election because he had a 85% pro labor voting record. The membership about had him drawn and quartered. We have close to 2000 people on the book looking for work, so only the well connected and those who don't rock the boat are working. Unfortunately one of the places our union sends those who they are trying to protect is the Globe, so I'm expecting a radical change in referral procedures soon.

Fox was reporting that the union workers have agreed to a 20 per cent pay cut.

786 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:37:01am

re: #784 KenJen

I feel sorry for the girl but pageants are stupid. Why anyone would participate in one is beyond me. Ratings for Miss America are not so great. If it wasn't for the scandal no one would have known there was a pageant. I don't even know who won.

For some, it's simply trying to get some free college money.

787 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:37:23am

re: #758 Kosh's Shadow

Not releasing the photos plays right in to the conspiracy theorists. If it was only a photo-op, where are the photos?
Watch them be a surprise present for a former AF1 pilot or other worker. Once that is out, they'll be released.

I kind of doubt that they'd have done all this just to make a present for a former AF1 pilot. I think the Obama Administration is sittting on the photos simply because they're embarrassed by what happened. However, by doing so, they're making it worse (classic myopic stonewalling move). Just release the pics, endure the ridicule, and get past it.

788 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:38:08am

re: #727 vxbush

Okay, this is scaring me. It's way too quiet here today. I don't have fifty people outside my door banging for reports.

Mmmm, we have a problem here.
You need to use the new cover on these TPS reports.

789 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:38:12am

re: #773 Nevergiveup

17:13 Kerry: Sanctions have slowed, but not stopped Iran nuclear program (Haaretz)

Yeah right? Jackass.

In other news, the sun is scheduled to rise this morning in the east...

790 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:38:32am

re: #776 Ward Cleaver

I have a BiL who travels back and forth between West Texas and Kansas, working on a couple of huge wind farm projects. He works on connecting them into the grid.

The west texas wind farms are the ones T.Boone Pickens is invested in. I'm not a big believer in wind power, but I'd rather see us spend money on projects that will put people to work and pay money into the tax base, than give 900 billion to Gaza or other foreign aid.

791 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:38:49am

re: #788 Kosh's Shadow

Mmmm, we have a problem here.
You need to use the new cover on these TPS reports.

Did you not get the memo about the TPS reports?

792 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:39:13am

re: #784 KenJen

I feel sorry for the girl but pageants are stupid. Why anyone would participate in one is beyond me. Ratings for Miss America are not so great. If it wasn't for the scandal no one would have known there was a pageant. I don't even know who won.

It's not the pageant that leads to Miss America but, to Miss USA, which leads to the Miss Universe pageant. There is a lot of money at stake for the winner.

793 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:39:38am

re: #788 Kosh's Shadow

Mmmm, we have a problem here.
You need to use the new cover on these TPS reports.

I think you need to be tazed-over-the-internet, too.

/

794 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:39:41am

re: #707 realwest

Hi rightside! Wealth and jobs? Can't have that, doncha know that cap and trade is coming to town next week - yup, fossil fuels are gonna be MUCH MORE expensive - indeed Harry Waxman (D-Stupid) is going to bypass the House Subcomittee on energy and try to get the full House committee to vote on it before summer "break".
That the cost of cap and trade will be borne MUCH MORE by Americans in the Midwest (think coal, steel) is apparently of no matter to Waxman or many of the Dems.

real, that is the idea behind these energy initiatives. Make fossil fuels more expensive so that other fuels and compete. It means higher energy costs for all of us.

795 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:40:05am

re: #758 Kosh's Shadow

Not releasing the photos plays right in to the conspiracy theorists. If it was only a photo-op, where are the photos?
Watch them be a surprise present for a former AF1 pilot or other worker. Once that is out, they'll be released.

I don't like any attempt to defend this Administration, but this incident took place, what, a week ago or so? Bitching about a lack of response to a FOIA (if that's really what Malkin filed; her actual wording borders on weasel-speak) after such a short amount of time is definitely in the rabble-rousing arena. And given that AF1 is involved even tangentially, such a request would probably take weeks to months to work it's way through all the approvals and sign-offs required for it's release.

A reasonable explanation was offered immediately following the incident. The exercise itself and the restrictions put on notifying the public beforehand were utterly boneheaded. But trying to turn this into a conspiracy theory just makes the Right look like the bunch of kooks the Left is already so successfully painting us as.

796 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:40:07am

re: #779 SixDegrees

We just fought off an attempt to ram creationism down the throats of schoolchildren under the guise of science right here in my own neighborhood

"Fought off"? Really?

By that you mean... the thing was peacefully put to some sort of democratic process, and the "theocrats" peacefully accepted a contrary result?

Yep... sounds just like the Taliban, alright.

/

797 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:40:16am

re: #790 soxfan4life

The west texas wind farms are the ones T.Boone Pickens is invested in. I'm not a big believer in wind power, but I'd rather see us spend money on projects that will put people to work and pay money into the tax base, than give 900 billion to Gaza or other foreign aid.

T. Boone Pickens is supposedly conning the government out of lots of money with these wind farms. I don't have a problem with it. He's still making electricity and selling it at market price.

798 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:40:28am

re: #774 Kosh's Shadow

There! There!

Werewolf?

799 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:41:38am

re: #795 SixDegrees

I don't like any attempt to defend this Administration, but this incident took place, what, a week ago or so? Bitching about a lack of response to a FOIA (if that's really what Malkin filed; her actual wording borders on weasel-speak) after such a short amount of time is definitely in the rabble-rousing arena. And given that AF1 is involved even tangentially, such a request would probably take weeks to months to work it's way through all the approvals and sign-offs required for it's release.

A reasonable explanation was offered immediately following the incident. The exercise itself and the restrictions put on notifying the public beforehand were utterly boneheaded. But trying to turn this into a conspiracy theory just makes the Right look like the bunch of kooks the Left is already so successfully painting us as.

Those photographs cost us $328,000.00. I see no conspriacy theory in demanding that we get to see what we bought. They're OUR PHOTOS.

800 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:41:47am

re: #785 MandyManners

Fox was reporting that the union workers have agreed to a 20 per cent pay cut.

That's for the newspaper union. Our union has a deal to provide all the electricians and pay them our rate of pay and benefits. I can foresee some layoffs simply because if your profits are down you have to lower overhead. Maybe run only 1 shift full time and call people in on 2nd or 3rd shift if necessary.

801 Miss Trixie  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:41:49am

{realwest} Good morning, luv *smoochie-smooch* I'm glad to see you here today in such fine spirits. All's well with you and your Mom?

I love thunderstorms but tornadoes? Not so much.

Stay safe.

802 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:41:49am

re: #779 SixDegrees

You'll have to use a smaller "brush", I'm afraid. I know of NO Christians that WANT ID taught in Science classes.

Let me give you some perspective

My son goes to a Christian based school. I am a Roman Catholic (55 years old) I have been very involved in PTA's as well as my church and their school affiliations Most of my friends are Christians of one sect or anothre

NONE of us/ them want ID taught in school

803 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:41:51am

re: #779 SixDegrees

It's a brush of the proper size. We just fought off an attempt to ram creationism down the throats of schoolchildren under the guise of science right here in my own neighborhood. Sorry you don't like the message, but this messenger is seeing way too much of this shit happening across the nation.

If you're more comfortable wrapping layers and layers of ridiculous qualifications around the term "religious right," feel free. It isn't going to change the fact that they are attempting to establish theocratic rule, just as the Taliban are.

If you're feeling you've been lumped into a category you don't belong in, perhaps you simply need to examine why you're feeling so guilty in the first place.

I rarely down ding but I am going to make an exception for you. Enough already with the comparisons to the taliban, go live with them for some time and then come back and tell us how it is the same. Also, kinda interesting that you capitalize Taliban but use lower case and " for the "religious right".
Or you can just f*** off.

804 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:42:07am

Gotta' go fix my egg sandwich. bbiab

805 badger1970  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:42:15am

re: #790 soxfan4life

My flat rate plan from Reliant expired in March. I was offered three other plans. The wind farms had a fairly high rate but no extra labor surcharge where the other plans where at the mercy of the market or an average monthly plan (average bill from the previous 12 months). Reliant kind of pushed the wind farm plan.

806 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:42:16am

re: #795 SixDegrees

Where is the left painting 'us' as kooks? I don't see that happening anywhere, except amongst ourselves saying so...

Geez... There was an incident that scared the holy hell out of a million people in Lower Manhattan for a photo op... I don't think it's 'kooky' to want to know more information about it...

807 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:42:17am

re: #793 vxbush

I think you need to be tazed-over-the-internet, too.

/

See, we're a helpful bunch, aren't we?
Now you're getting busier, and undoubtedly feeling better.

*frantically digging foxhole*

808 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:43:10am

re: #791 simonml

Did you not get the memo about the TPS reports?

I could, I could set the building on fire...

809 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #795 SixDegrees

I don't like any attempt to defend this Administration, but this incident took place, what, a week ago or so? Bitching about a lack of response to a FOIA (if that's really what Malkin filed; her actual wording borders on weasel-speak) after such a short amount of time is definitely in the rabble-rousing arena. And given that AF1 is involved even tangentially, such a request would probably take weeks to months to work it's way through all the approvals and sign-offs required for it's release.

A reasonable explanation was offered immediately following the incident. The exercise itself and the restrictions put on notifying the public beforehand were utterly boneheaded. But trying to turn this into a conspiracy theory just makes the Right look like the bunch of kooks the Left is already so successfully painting us as.

she's an American citizen and has a right to see the photos...it need not be anymore complicated than that...so be it...talk about conspiricies

810 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:43:26am

re: #795 SixDegrees

I don't like any attempt to defend this Administration, but this incident took place, what, a week ago or so? Bitching about a lack of response to a FOIA (if that's really what Malkin filed; her actual wording borders on weasel-speak) after such a short amount of time is definitely in the rabble-rousing arena. And given that AF1 is involved even tangentially, such a request would probably take weeks to months to work it's way through all the approvals and sign-offs required for it's release.

A reasonable explanation was offered immediately following the incident. The exercise itself and the restrictions put on notifying the public beforehand were utterly boneheaded. But trying to turn this into a conspiracy theory just makes the Right look like the bunch of kooks the Left is already so successfully painting us as.

And to do so just to get an albatross to present to the administration is weak. They screwed up and have admitted they screwed up. The pictures were in bad taste. They know this, we know this. We should be concerned if people are not held accountable, not to see how the snaps turned out.

811 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #805 badger1970

My flat rate plan from Reliant expired in March. I was offered three other plans. The wind farms had a fairly high rate but no extra labor surcharge where the other plans where at the mercy of the market or an average monthly plan (average bill from the previous 12 months). Reliant kind of pushed the wind farm plan.

I think they get a good sized tax credit for the wind farm.

812 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:44:18am

re: #792 MandyManners

It's not the pageant that leads to Miss America but, to Miss USA, which leads to the Miss Universe pageant. There is a lot of money at stake for the winner.

Does the Miss America pageant lead to Miss World? Or is that another track entirely?

(I used to know this stuff, because of my greatest Single Guy Claim to Fame from back in the day; I dated a former Miss World contestant for a while.)

813 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:45:01am

Nevergiveup...

Let me know what you end up getting with tix...

814 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:45:51am

re: #808 Mad Al-Jaffee

I could, I could set the building on fire...

Excuse me. I believe you have my ...

815 badger1970  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:46:09am

re: #802 sattv4u2

As far as the RCC goes, it only matters WHAT was done rather than HOW it was done. I remember from my CCD days that the instructors explained that a day is not a day and the universe is billions (and billions) of years old.

816 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:46:29am

re: #779 SixDegrees

It's a brush of the proper size. We just fought off an attempt to ram creationism down the throats of schoolchildren under the guise of science right here in my own neighborhood. Sorry you don't like the message, but this messenger is seeing way too much of this shit happening across the nation.

If you're more comfortable wrapping layers and layers of ridiculous qualifications around the term "religious right," feel free. It isn't going to change the fact that they are attempting to establish theocratic rule, just as the Taliban are.

If you're feeling you've been lumped into a category you don't belong in, perhaps you simply need to examine why you're feeling so guilty in the first place.

I donwn-dinged that because the comparison with the Taliban is invalid.

817 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:46:34am

re: #787 Occasional Reader

I kind of doubt that they'd have done all this just to make a present for a former AF1 pilot. I think the Obama Administration is sittting on the photos simply because they're embarrassed by what happened. However, by doing so, they're making it worse (classic myopic stonewalling move). Just release the pics, endure the ridicule, and get past it.

I agree. But as I said above, I think part of the problem is that these photos involve the Presidential aircraft, and they aren't going to be released to the public until they've been cleared by security, a process which will take a fair amount of time.

Although the general public is free to take photos of the plane, anything generated by those who hold a security clearance potentially falls under classification guidelines, and formal releases and sign-offs will be required to declassify them.

Obama could conceivably speed this process along by way of an OE, but...why bother? It just isn't that important.

If we're going to start filing FOIA requests, I'd be much more interested in, say, the minutes from the Chrysler bond holder meetings.

818 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:46:43am

re: #808 Mad Al-Jaffee

I could, I could set the building on fire...

Ahh, I'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too. We, uhhh, lost some people this week and we sorta need to play catch-up. Thanks!

819 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:46:51am

re: #814 simonml

Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays.

820 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:47:01am

re: #758 Kosh's Shadow
What ever happened to Campaigning Obama's promise for a more "transparent government"? I don't think Malkin is doing this to whip up the right-wing foam at the mouth types, but I also think there's less to this than meets the eye - I don't think anyone involved is hiding these photos other than to conceal their embarrassment at hatching such a stupid idea in the first place.
This is just like that stupid "nirther" matter - Obama, empty suited, street three card monte dealer is simply giving his opponents something else to go chasing while he proceeds with more important and significant matters. Look over there!

821 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:47:24am

re: #752 simonml

Morning all! Any real news yet today or just more fluff from the MSM?

I'm tired of reading about Obama's lunch and evening walks with his wife.

Look for the some on the right to pick up the story of Dems voting to protect pedophiles, but not veterans in the new hate crimes bill. It's a pretty slick move by the GOP to brew up a fake issue.
They wanted to specifically include veterans as a protected class, which of course could also include Christmas Santa's or Ford drivers and more as part of a protected class with gays and the rest.
Pedophiles, murders, rapists, necrophiliacs and the like are not protected classed and that does need to be spelled out in the bill. Because vets are not listed as protected, nor pedophiles excepted, it's now a bill that protects perverts, but not vets.

Worldnet Daily is promoting the story with the line "Pedophile Protection act" rename of the hate crime bill which just passed the house.

822 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:47:48am

re: #796 Occasional Reader

"Fought off"? Really?

By that you mean... the thing was peacefully put to some sort of democratic process, and the "theocrats" peacefully accepted a contrary result?

Yep... sounds just like the Taliban, alright.

/

Again: you're quibbling over a difference in tactics. And - again - it's the goals that are loathsome.

823 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #818 Honorary Yooper

Did you see that robert has taken to begging for money from the stalkers at 2?

824 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:48:34am

re: #820 realwest

What ever happened to Campaigning Obama's promise for a more "transparent government"? I don't think Malkin is doing this to whip up the right-wing foam at the mouth types, but I also think there's less to this than meets the eye - I don't think anyone involved is hiding these photos other than to conceal their embarrassment at hatching such a stupid idea in the first place.
This is just like that stupid "nirther" matter - Obama, empty suited, street three card monte dealer is simply giving his opponents something else to go chasing while he proceeds with more important and significant matters. Look over there!

I see a birdie!

825 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:48:35am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

Does the Miss America pageant lead to Miss World? Or is that another track entirely?

(I used to know this stuff, because of my greatest Single Guy Claim to Fame from back in the day; I dated a former Miss World contestant for a while.)

I dated a former Miss Universe contestant for a while, she was green with pink tentacles. (Tentacles, NOT testicles all you sickos!)
///

826 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:49:19am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

Personally, I can handle people who tell me I'm going to Hell.
It is those people who want to send me there that I have a problem with.


Just wanted you to know I'm stealing that line right now!
Many updings for that one!

827 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:50:31am

re: #823 Sharmuta

Did you see that robert has taken to begging for money from the stalkers at 2?

I didn't see that, but Robert was begging for bucks in a post on JW.

828 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:50:35am

re: #819 Mad Al-Jaffee

Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays.

"No. No, man. Sh!t, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man. "

829 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:50:40am

re: #822 SixDegrees

Again: you're quibbling over a difference in tactics. And - again - it's the goals that are loathsome.

Beside a small (very small) group that wants ID taught in school science classes, please tell me how/ where the religious right is tryig to set up a theocratic gov't in the USA.

(please don't bring up opposition to gay marriage, because the majority of all Americans, religious and non are agaisnt it)

830 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:51:40am

re: #777 Occasional Reader

I am willing to offer asylum to Miss California. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

(Although she and my wife would have to settle their differences, maybe through, I dunno, a pillow fight.)

Um, O.R., my friend? If you grant her asylum, y'all might want to hide that Kimber from your wife!
:)

831 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:52:01am

re: #822 SixDegrees

re: #829 sattv4u2

Beside a small (very small) group that wants ID taught in school science classes, please tell me how/ where the religious right is tryig to set up a theocratic gov't in the USA.

(please don't bring up opposition to gay marriage, because the majority of all Americans, religious and non are agaisnt it)


Or have I missed the great hordes of Knights Templars storming Washington DC!?!?!

832 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:52:03am

re: #821 avanti

Look for the some on the right to pick up the story of Dems voting to protect pedophiles, but not veterans in the new hate crimes bill. It's a pretty slick move by the GOP to brew up a fake issue.
They wanted to specifically include veterans as a protected class, which of course could also include Christmas Santa's or Ford drivers and more as part of a protected class with gays and the rest.
Pedophiles, murders, rapists, necrophiliacs and the like are not protected classed and that does need to be spelled out in the bill. Because vets are not listed as protected, nor pedophiles excepted, it's now a bill that protects perverts, but not vets.

Worldnet Daily is promoting the story with the line "Pedophile Protection act" rename of the hate crime bill which just passed the house.

Thanks for the heads up, but I'm still on the lookout for real news. This politicking stuff is funny at times, but does not slake my thirst for knowledge.

833 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:52:13am

re: #758 Kosh's Shadow

Not releasing the photos plays right in to the conspiracy theorists. If it was only a photo-op, where are the photos?
Watch them be a surprise present for a former AF1 pilot or other worker. Once that is out, they'll be released.

The photos were deemed classified by the FAA and the military, not Mr. Obama himself who admitted that the flyover was a mistake and publicly offered an apology to the people of NYC. Further, they were NEVER meant to be unclassified.

But it doesn't stop right-wing bloggers like Malkin from screaming about "transparency" and making statements like this one:

When it comes to toying with transparency, President Obama is a master at “playing games.”

Her real rage isn't about the NYC flyover, though... it's about this:

Obama broke the pledge again with the mad rush to pass his trillion-dollar, pork-stuffed stimulus package full of earmarks he denied existed. Jim Harper of the Cato Institute reported in April 2009: “Of the eleven bills President Obama has signed, only six have been posted on Whitehouse.gov. None have been posted for a full five days after presentment from Congress…”

It’s this utter disregard for taxpayer accountability that prompted hundreds of thousands of citizens to take to the streets on Tax Day 2009 for Tea Party protests. The trampling of transparency inspired signs that read: “No legislation without deliberation” and “READ THE BILL FIRST.” Obama’s response was first to claim that he hadn’t even heard of the Tea Party movement and then, on his 100-day celebration, to deride all those Americans he is supposed to represent of “playing games.”

Malkin was a huge promotor of the tea parties, and she has yammered away incessantly over the months about the Obama administrations' "crap sandwich". These are the issues that really drive her.

Perhaps she shouldn't scream so loudly about transparency when she has so little of it herself.

834 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:52:23am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

Does the Miss America pageant lead to Miss World? Or is that another track entirely?

(I used to know this stuff, because of my greatest Single Guy Claim to Fame from back in the day; I dated a former Miss World contestant for a while.)

I don't think Miss America is the track to Miss World.

835 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:52:27am

re: #828 simonml

It was a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

836 J.S.  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:52:44am

re: #810 bloodnok

Louis Caldera, the man responsible for giving the go-ahead to the low level flight over NY city (according to CNN), needs to be held accountable, imo.

837 rightside  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:00am

re: #825 VegasRick

Hey, Testicles was a great Greek philosopher.

838 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:07am

re: #822 SixDegrees

Again: you're quibbling over a difference in tactics. And - again - it's the goals that are loathsome.

Ah, so the Taliban share the identical goal of "having 'Intelligent Design' taught in public schools".

Man, have I ever been misinformed about the Taliban! Mos Def was right!

839 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:24am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

re: #834 MandyManners

I don't think Miss America is the track to Miss World.

Miss Universe, I beleive

840 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #827 Honorary Yooper

I didn't see that, but Robert was begging for bucks in a post on JW.

Gee- I *wonder* why he'd have to do that.

841 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:52am

re: #779 SixDegrees
Well

If you're more comfortable wrapping layers and layers of ridiculous qualifications around the term "religious right," feel free. It isn't going to change the fact that they are attempting to establish theocratic rule, just as the Taliban are.

If you're feeling you've been lumped into a category you don't belong in, perhaps you simply need to examine why you're feeling so guilty in the first place.

either show us links as to where "they" are trying to establish theocratic rule or fuck off.

842 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:53am

re: #833 irish rose

Nice work! You are on a roll today.

843 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:53:55am

re: #822 SixDegrees

Again: you're quibbling over a difference in tactics. And - again - it's the goals that are loathsome.

Quibbling over a difference in tactics?
The difference in tactics is inconsequential?
Public decapitations are no worse that telling lies to get votes from a school board?

844 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:54:17am

re: #817 SixDegrees

I agree. But as I said above, I think part of the problem is that these photos involve the Presidential aircraft, and they aren't going to be released to the public until they've been cleared by security, a process which will take a fair amount of time.

Although the general public is free to take photos of the plane, anything generated by those who hold a security clearance potentially falls under classification guidelines, and formal releases and sign-offs will be required to declassify them.

Obama could conceivably speed this process along by way of an OE, but...why bother? It just isn't that important.

If we're going to start filing FOIA requests, I'd be much more interested in, say, the minutes from the Chrysler bond holder meetings.

There is no public right to know what happens in a bond holder meeting so FOIA does not apply.

845 ConservatismNow!  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:54:29am

re: #835 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

My wife has one of those mats, only her mat only has the conclusion "Clearly, you are a jackass." And it only applies with me.

846 subsailor68  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:54:39am

re: #797 simonml

T. Boone Pickens is supposedly conning the government out of lots of money with these wind farms. I don't have a problem with it. He's still making electricity and selling it at market price.

Old T Boone's no fool. It ain't about the wind, it's about water. The wind farms are a front for what he really wants - water rights. There are a number of articles about this, but this video is kinda cute (even if it's from an enviro group):

The Pickens Plan

847 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:55:04am

re: #823 Sharmuta

Did you see that robert has taken to begging for money from the stalkers at 2?

No!
For real?

848 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:55:06am

re: #835 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

This? That's the worst idea ever

849 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:55:09am

re: #799 MandyManners

Those photographs cost us $328,000.00. I see no conspriacy theory in demanding that we get to see what we bought. They're OUR PHOTOS.

In fairness, the photo op was scheduled to be done with a needed training flight, so the added cost would have been much less. The new AF 1 pilots need to log so many hours of training. BTW, I'm sure the pictures will be released, probably after the WH investigation. Having said that, it was a stupid screw up.

850 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:55:56am

re: #833 irish rose

Last I checked this is still a free country and she can do and think and write anything she wants, just like the rest of us...

851 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:02am

re: #847 reine.de.tout

No!
For real?

For real- they were whining for dollars for robert yesterday.

852 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #783 sattv4u2 Well as much as I despise and distrust Emmanuel, he's too smart for a stunt like that; more than likely some AF 3 star general thought it would be a good idea and a way to kiss up to Obama.
Yet another reason why active duty military should not use active duty military for political purposes.

853 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:29am

re: #834 MandyManners

I don't think Miss America is the track to Miss World.

Then I wonder what the relevant stepping stone is... Miss North American Land Mass?

Stand by... [googling]

It appears to be simply "Miss World USA" or something like that.

854 abolitionist  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:29am

From HotAir (newslinks, etc)
Obama to force Israel to give up nukes?

DHS “reining in” division that produced report on domestic extremists

The Homeland Security official who spoke to FOX News said the office that released the report had taken on a "maverick" attitude by acting without authorization and is now being "reined in."

The Internet Saved My Tongue
How I beat Canada's 'human rights' censors - Ezra Levant

Excerpts:

As proof of his claims, Soharwardy included a raft of email messages he had received, including one that called him “excitable” and “humourless” and told him to “laugh” a little more. Another message said that there “are many fine Muslims out there,” but that radical Islam deserved to be mocked. This was the “violence” that Soharwardy faced: ordinary Canadians telling him off.

/ The horror. The horror.

Had I been charged with hate speech 10 years ago, I could not have fought back as effectively. If all this had happened in 1996 instead of 2006, few would have known anything about my battle. YouTube, which brought my story alive for 600,000 people by the time the traffic died down, debuted only in 2005. Before that, there was no universally surfed repository of current event–themed videos, and bloggers were much less prevalent. And without the credit card donations made possible by PayPal (which was started in 2000), it’s unlikely that I could have raised the money to cover my legal expenses.

In short, the Internet saved me. In that sense, my story isn’t just about free speech. It’s also about the way new technology has leveled the playing field between big government and private citizens.

855 simonml  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:31am

re: #846 subsailor68

Old T Boone's no fool. It ain't about the wind, it's about water. The wind farms are a front for what he really wants - water rights. There are a number of articles about this, but this video is kinda cute (even if it's from an enviro group):

The Pickens Plan

That's what it was! I knew it was related to mineral rights. The main reason he's not leasing land, but buying it up in large quantities

856 wrenchwench  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:42am

Can the same lizard say both:

As I've said many times here, the religious right is no different from the Taliban in terms of their goals.

and this?:

But trying to turn this into a conspiracy theory just makes the Right look like the bunch of kooks the Left is already so successfully painting us as.

I'm dizzy.

857 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:56:48am

re: #840 Sharmuta

Gee- I *wonder* why he'd have to do that.

LOL!

He's also been busy warming up to Pamela. Pam's got a post on Atlas Shrieks about how she was on Hannity (another narcissist). Robert got the first comment in: "Woot!". They're both too far gone, IMHO.

858 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:57:15am

re: #853 Occasional Reader

Then I wonder what the relevant stepping stone is... Miss North American Land Mass?

Stand by... [googling]

It appears to be simply "Miss World USA" or something like that.

I knew I could count on you to get to the bottom of pretty women.

859 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:57:23am

re: #827 Honorary Yooper

I didn't see that, but Robert was begging for bucks in a post on JW.

I saw it... pathetic.
The decreased book sales and cancelled speaking engagements must be taking a real hit.

860 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:57:38am

re: #785 MandyManners
Hey Mandy! Do you mean union workers at the Globe have agreed to a 20% pay cut?! Holy smokes!

861 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:57:46am

re: #858 MandyManners

I knew I could count on you to get to the bottom of pretty women.

That's a slow fastball, right down the middle for OR.

862 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:58:15am

re: #856 wrenchwench

Can the same lizard say both:


I'm dizzy.

Good catch!

863 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:58:23am

re: #841 realwest

Well


either show us links as to where "they" are trying to establish theocratic rule or fuck off.

re: #803 VegasRick

I rarely down ding but I am going to make an exception for you. Enough already with the comparisons to the taliban, go live with them for some time and then come back and tell us how it is the same. Also, kinda interesting that you capitalize Taliban but use lower case and " for the "religious right".
Or you can just f*** off.

Real,
Tried that one myself but he won't go away. No facts just opinionated bigotry.

864 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:58:36am

re: #852 realwest

Well as much as I despise and distrust Emmanuel, he's too smart for a stunt like that; more than likely some AF 3 star general thought it would be a good idea and a way to kiss up to Obama.
Yet another reason why active duty military should not use active duty military for political purposes.

Actually, a ex military guy in charge of WH travel fell on the sword by admitting he signed off on the deal.

865 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #860 realwest

Hey Mandy! Do you mean union workers at the Globe have agreed to a 20% pay cut?! Holy smokes!

That's what Fox reported this morning.

866 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:58:59am

re: #859 irish rose

I saw it... pathetic.
The decreased book sales and cancelled speaking engagements must be taking a real hit.

He should ask Horowitz for a bailout.

867 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:59:09am

re: #779 SixDegrees

If you're feeling you've been lumped into a category you don't belong in, perhaps you simply need to examine why you're feeling so guilty in the first place.

What an utterly juvenile debating tactic.

868 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:59:17am

re: #833 irish rose

why do you have such a problem with her motives?...she wants to see the pictures...so be it...people here are making it out to be more than it is...I understand her overall point of view...BO is flying all the way to ABQ to have a townhall meeting about credit card debt, something he probably knows nothing about...but he does know about pandering and letting Richardson kiss his donk ass for the cameras...it's all part of the same bigger picture...why is BO doing this shit?...he's a fraud and that's Malkins point

869 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:59:24am

re: #861 bloodnok

That's a slow fastball, right down the middle for OR.

Yeah, I chuckled after I hit POST THIS COMMENT.

870 Macker  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:59:43am

re: #623 SixDegrees

There's been a huge blowback from senior Dems over this issue. And who can blame 'em? Seniority equals power in Congress, and long-standing Dems were being brushed aside by a carpetbagger.

Apparently, Reid wasn't able to herd his membership toward his preferred solution - again - and Specter Sphincter is getting the shaft as a result.

The amount of sleep I'll be losing over this development is incalculably small.

There, fixed that for ya!

871 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 6, 2009 7:59:58am

re: #851 Sharmuta

For real- they were whining for dollars for robert yesterday.

OK - that place -
there is an obsession with Charles, and also with the comments and commenters here that just does not seem to me to be emotionally healthy.

872 acwgusa  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:00:16am

The new deluxe Kindle looks great! I will be buying this one!

873 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:01:02am

re: #860 realwest

Hey Mandy! Do you mean union workers at the Globe have agreed to a 20% pay cut?! Holy smokes!

The big sticking point is the list of 190 people in the "Book of Life" (the lifetime job guarantees made by the old management). The NYT wants them to agree to waive the liftime employment guarantees which would put them at risk. Such a well-run organization they've got there.

874 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:01:14am

re: #858 MandyManners

I knew I could count on you to get to the bottom of pretty women.

You can always count on me to answer the call of booty duty.

875 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:01:22am

re: #852 realwest

Well as much as I despise and distrust Emmanuel, he's too smart for a stunt like that; more than likely some AF 3 star general thought it would be a good idea and a way to kiss up to Obama.
Yet another reason why active duty military should not use active duty military for political purposes.

This wasn't ordered by the military. "Updating" the photo of Air Force One would be under the provence of the White House communications office. Yes, some 3 star general probably ARRANGED it, but is didn't come from him

876 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:01:23am

re: #790 soxfan4life
I'd like to see us build oh another 100 or so nuclear plants - proven tehcnology, safe, hell FRANCE uses nuclear power for 75%+ of all their electrical needs!

877 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:29am

re: #843 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Quibbling over a difference in tactics?
The difference in tactics is inconsequential?
Public decapitations are no worse that telling lies to get votes from a school board?

Religious right - wants to teach Creationism in schools, screwing up science education.
Taliban - burns down schools, except for those teaching Koran and jihad to boys only.

878 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:32am

Three years ago, 18 young males in Toronto were arrested on terrorism charges involving a plot to detonate truck bombs and behead PM Harper. Subsequently, charges against 7 of the accused were dropped. Throughout legal wranglings and delays, the accused have protested their innocence. Naturally, they have a slick website promoting their cause for "justice" against the Fascist, racist police state that is Canada. When a few months ago, the first among them was convicted of terrorism charges, the party line was he was framed. Of course.

So it must have come as a terrible shock to their supporters when the trial of the next conspirator, Saad Khalid, started this week and he pleaded guilty to a single count of participating in a terrorist organization "with the intention of causing an explosion or explosions that were likely to cause serious bodily harm or death" or damage property.

Shocking turnaround as accused pleads guilty in Toronto bombing plot

Given that the main argument of the defense has been all along that there never was a "real" "terrorism" "plot" to build a "bomb", this plea pretty much accepts as given that, yes indeed there was just such a plot.

879 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #864 avanti

Actually, a ex military guy in charge of WH travel fell on the sword by admitting he signed off on the deal.

signed off on it is vastly different than coming up with it

880 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #827 Honorary Yooper

I didn't see that, but Robert was begging for bucks in a post on JW.

Robert was really pushing his books on our local radio show yesterday morning. His latest is due out in July. $59.99 for the hardback pre-order on Amazon.

881 SFGoth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:45am

While the Republican party debates which creation myth it wants to promulgate, Nat Hentoff - a very old, wise, and pro-life liberal posts this:
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

Scary stuff. Can we please focus on the coming totalitarianism and not how we got here, or whether Adam and Steve should be happy together for the rest of their lives?

882 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:47am

re: #876 realwest

I'd like to see us build oh another 100 or so nuclear plants - proven tehcnology, safe, hell FRANCE uses nuclear power for 75%+ of all their electrical needs!

I'm sure that we could build them greener and safer as well... We're still living in the shadow of Three Mile Island, which was a bad situation but also a bureaucratic flub up...

883 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:53am

re: #871 reine.de.tout

Not really much more I can add to that.

884 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:02:54am

re: #874 Occasional Reader

You can always count on me to answer the call of booty duty.

Oh. I can see you're standing at attention. Oh, wait. You're not standing on your feet.

885 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:03:03am

re: #779 SixDegrees

We just fought off an attempt to ram creationism down the throats of schoolchildren

Sheesh, can we all just agree that the expression "ram/cram/shove down the throat" should only be used if you're talking about (a) rough fellatio, or (b) the production of fois gras?

886 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:03:25am

re: #846 subsailor68

Old T Boone's no fool. It ain't about the wind, it's about water. The wind farms are a front for what he really wants - water rights. There are a number of articles about this, but this video is kinda cute (even if it's from an enviro group):

The Pickens Plan

Pickens has struck me during all of this as more than just a bit slimy. I'm usually cynical when it comes to someone like him promoting an idea that seems antithetical to what he has done previously, but something really hit my bullshit radar about his plan.

887 Macker  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:03:37am

re: #877 Kosh's Shadow

Hey, at least the religious right isn't going out and burning down schools like the Taliban are.

888 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:03:52am

re: #868 albusteve

...BO is flying all the way to ABQ to have a townhall meeting about credit card debt

See, this is why *I* should be POTUS. Yes, maybe I'd fly across the country to a town hall meeting about credit card debt. I'd walk in, walk up to the podium, say "STOP BUYING STUFF YOU CAN'T AFFORD", walk out, and fly back to DC. Much more efficient.

889 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:04:18am

re: #858 MandyManners

I knew I could count on you to get to the bottom of pretty women.

So the thread is now an ass thread?

890 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:04:43am

re: #888 Occasional Reader

See, this is why *I* should be POTUS. Yes, maybe I'd fly across the country to a town hall meeting about credit card debt. I'd walk in, walk up to the podium, say "STOP BUYING STUFF YOU CAN'T AFFORD", walk out, and fly back to DC. Much more efficient.

You radical, you!

891 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:15am

re: #889 Kosh's Shadow

So the thread is now an ass thread?

I prefer "bum".

892 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:18am

The konservatives are revolting...

House bypasses governor’s veto to claim Oklahoma’s sovereignty

Unlike House Joint Resolution 1003, House Concurrent Resolution 1028 does not need the governor’s approval.

The House passed the measure 73-22. It now goes to the Senate.

"We’re going to get it done one way or the other,” said the resolutions’ author, Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City.

"I think our governor is out of step.”

House Democrats objected, saying the issue already had been taken up and had been vetoed, but House Speaker Pro Tempore Kris Steele, R-Shawnee, ruled the veto is not final action.

Key said he expects HCR 1028 will pass in the Senate. HJR 1003 earlier passed the House 83-18 and won approval in the Senate 29-18.

Henry vetoed HJR 1003 because he said it suggested, among other things, that Oklahoma should return federal tax dollars.

Is there something to this or is it just rampant stupidity?

893 Macker  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:19am

re: #882 tfc3rid

Thirty years later:
Chappaquiddick 1, Three Mile Island 0

894 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #888 Occasional Reader

See, this is why *I* should be POTUS. Yes, maybe I'd fly across the country to a town hall meeting about credit card debt. I'd walk in, walk up to the podium, say "STOP BUYING STUFF YOU CAN'T AFFORD", walk out, and fly back to DC. Much more efficient.

probably the smartest thing you will say all week...amigo

895 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:33am

re: #801 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches* back to ya!
Yeah Tornados scare the bejeesus out of me - they really do and we did have 7 or 8 in NC yesterday, two not far from here.
And mom is doing pretty well, thanks. I'm not exactly doing so good myself right now but hope that's temporary - will find out when my Onc gets to see me sometime next week.
How are you and Lil Miss doing?

896 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:34am

Ah, fuck. Not another one.

897 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:39am

re: #878 Kenneth

Three years ago, 18 young males in Toronto were arrested on terrorism charges

And, of course, other than being "young males", they had absolutely nothing in common. Nope. Not one thing.

/What was it Mark Steyn dubbed them... the "Broad Strata Gang", something like that?

898 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:05:49am

re: #891 MandyManners

I prefer "bum".

You guys are being pretty cheeky this morning.

899 irish rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:06:17am

re: #799 MandyManners

Those photographs cost us $328,000.00. I see no conspriacy theory in demanding that we get to see what we bought. They're OUR PHOTOS.

The taxpayer pays the $ for AF1 photos whether they're classified or not, Mandy, and it has always been this way.

Further, it's not unusual to classify photos of the military aircraft that transport the POTUS... it's the norm.

It's a bit ridiculous to demand that they be "declassified" simply because of the price tag.

900 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:06:23am

re: #891 MandyManners

Tuchas!

901 Macker  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:06:29am

re: #896 MandyManners

Ah, fuck. Not another one.

Waddya expect! It's HUMP day!

902 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:07:20am
903 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:07:21am

re: #892 Killgore Trout

LOST tonight, don't forget. Episode "Follow the Leader." Next Wed., the 2 hour season closer "The Incident." (poop is gonna hit the fan with the construction of the Swan Station).

904 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:07:28am

re: #889 Kosh's Shadow

So the thread is now an ass thread?

Is SixDegrees still here?

905 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:08:12am

re: #884 MandyManners

Oh. I can see you're standing at attention. Oh, wait. You're not standing on your feet.

The real reason that some gay men become Republicans: they heard someone say "Big Tent" and got overly excited...

906 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:08:23am

re: #898 Mad Al-Jaffee

You guys are being pretty cheeky this morning.

Which reminds me. The town of Derry, NH, thought that canning its air would make a nice novelty item, but for some reason, sales of Derrry Air never caught on.
/

907 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:08:33am

re: #904 VegasRick

Is SixDegrees still here?

Ran away, I suspect. Had a lot to say, but no coherent answers or points to debate, no links either.

908 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:08:43am

re: #898 Mad Al-Jaffee

You guys are being pretty cheeky this morning.

Some of us are feeling kinda' tight.

909 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:09:08am

re: #903 Walter L. Newton

I've got it all planned out. The trickiest part is having dinner ready by the time the show starts.

910 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:09:10am

re: #903 Walter L. Newton

LOST tonight, don't forget. Episode "Follow the Leader." Next Wed., the 2 hour season closer "The Incident." (poop is gonna hit the fan with the construction of the Swan Station).

Good Morning Walter..did the FED-EX guy show up yet?

911 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:09:30am

bbiab

912 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #899 irish rose

The taxpayer pays the $ for AF1 photos whether they're classified or not, Mandy, and it has always been this way.

Further, it's not unusual to classify photos of the military aircraft that transport the POTUS... it's the norm.

It's a bit ridiculous to demand that they be "declassified" simply because of the price tag.

It is possible they are reviewing the photographs to make sure nothing secret is visible. There is, I believe, some secret equipment on AF1, and they don't want it public. (I'd guess antennas and missile countermeasures)

913 sattv4u2  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:10:02am

BBIAB

914 JCM  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:10:15am

re: #875 sattv4u2

This wasn't ordered by the military. "Updating" the photo of Air Force One would be under the provence of the White House communications office. Yes, some 3 star general probably ARRANGED it, but is didn't come from him

I hope some one FOIA files for those photos.

915 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:10:22am

re: #874 Occasional Reader

You can always count on me to answer the call of booty duty.

We can count upon you to bikini interested in the subject.

916 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:10:45am

Interesting. I log on, read the quote (great, by the way) and see the number of comments is at 911...cue Twilight Zone music...

917 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:11:29am

re: #915 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We can count upon you to bikini interested in the subject.

That may be the thong way to go about it.

918 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:11:29am

re: #877 Kosh's Shadow

Religious right - wants to teach Creationism in schools, screwing up science education.
Taliban - burns down schools, except for those teaching Koran and jihad to boys only.

PLEASE don't quibble over a difference in tactics!

/

919 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:11:34am

re: #879 sattv4u2

signed off on it is vastly different than coming up with it

We won't know until the report is released, but I can guess what happened. The Air Force told the White House guy that they needed some training hours and the WH guy thought "Gee lets take some new pictures while you're at it" and came up with the lame ass plan.

920 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:11:39am

re: #852 realwest

Good morning, real!

Didn't the official explanation on the day of the incident that they wanted to update their publicity photos of Air Force 1? It seems rather contradictory to make publicity photos that are classified.

I have no confidence that the truth has been told on this. I don't suspect any nefarious conspiracy, but my gut tells me Obama approved the photos to gratify his huge ego for some upcoming publicity campaign. When the stunt went horribly wrong he went into defensive mode and is now looking for somebody to pin this mess on. Face it, the man is a narcissist and does not consider the effect of his actions on other people. America is a a mere backdrop and people are props for his narcissistic ego.

921 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:11:48am

re: #912 Kosh's Shadow

It is possible they are reviewing the photographs to make sure nothing secret is visible. There is, I believe, some secret equipment on AF1, and they don't want it public. (I'd guess antennas and missile countermeasures)

yes, that will take months to figure out and photoshop...and then what about all the civilian pics?...MM is just slapping BO and he deserves it

922 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:13:04am

re: #910 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Walter..did the FED-EX guy show up yet?

Yes, but I missed him, I'm home all day today, and also have the door hanger on my door, signed, so he should leave it even if I miss him for some reason.

I'll email as soon as it arrives.

Thanks.

923 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:13:46am

re: #912 Kosh's Shadow

It is possible they are reviewing the photographs to make sure nothing secret is visible. There is, I believe, some secret equipment on AF1, and they don't want it public. (I'd guess antennas and missile countermeasures)

Exactly.

924 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:14:22am
925 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:14:59am

re: #912 Kosh's Shadow

It is possible they are reviewing the photographs to make sure nothing secret is visible. There is, I believe, some secret equipment on AF1, and they don't want it public. (I'd guess antennas and missile countermeasures)

If that is really the case, then the cat has left the building, forget him just getting out of the bag. About 2 gazillion photos exist of that plane from the flyover. And some of them are extremely good quality. I am not buying into the classified argument.

And I am not buying into the conspiriacy theory bit either. I think someone very senior in the WH screwed up and they are trying to let it all blow over.

926 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:15:11am

re: #924 buzzsawmonkey

Is this thread starting become asinine or what?

927 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:15:16am

re: #920 Kenneth

agreed...buildings evaced, money lost, people freaked out...show us the pics for all the trouble

928 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:15:17am

re: #920 Kenneth

Good morning, real!

Didn't the official explanation on the day of the incident that they wanted to update their publicity photos of Air Force 1? It seems rather contradictory to make publicity photos that are classified.

I have no confidence that the truth has been told on this. I don't suspect any nefarious conspiracy, but my gut tells me Obama approved the photos to gratify his huge ego for some upcoming publicity campaign. When the stunt went horribly wrong he went into defensive mode and is now looking for somebody to pin this mess on. Face it, the man is a narcissist and does not consider the effect of his actions on other people. America is a a mere backdrop and people are props for his narcissistic ego.

BHO is smart enough to know you get in more trouble with a cover up, then the actual screw up. I can think of no reason he would have even known about the flight, and if he did, and lied, it would come out in the end.

929 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:15:36am

re: #922 Walter L. Newton

Yes, but I missed him, I'm home all day today, and also have the door hanger on my door, signed, so he should leave it even if I miss him for some reason.

I'll email as soon as it arrives.

Thanks.

Great..I'm off today cause I woke up and started throwing up..My gut hurts..
I think I have the fringing flu

930 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:15:57am

re: #917 Honorary Yooper

That may be the thong way to go about it.

Interesting about these threads, isn't it?
We like the top less than the bottom.

931 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:03am

re: #912 Kosh's Shadow

It is possible they are reviewing the photographs to make sure nothing secret is visible. There is, I believe, some secret equipment on AF1, and they don't want it public. (I'd guess antennas and missile countermeasures)

I find this a little hard to believe (or that it would require anything more than a very quick review). If there are classified countermeasure on AF1 that are clearly visible to anyone with a good telephoto lens... we've got a problem.

932 bloodnok  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:16am

re: #912 Kosh's Shadow

It is possible they are reviewing the photographs to make sure nothing secret is visible. There is, I believe, some secret equipment on AF1, and they don't want it public. (I'd guess antennas and missile countermeasures)

I demand the release of the negatives of the unused photographs of the current Mt. Rushmore photo session! I want to see them! It's my right as an American!

//

933 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:23am
934 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:36am

re: #863 VegasRick
Yeah, regretfully I was typing mine while you were posting yours.
Mind you I DON'T think religion or ID should be taught in Public Schools. I don't want anyone teaching religious beliefs on the taxpayers' dime.
But I think it's a looong way from wanting to teach ID to wanting to take over the government, ya know?

935 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #906 Kosh's Shadow

Which reminds me. The town of Derry, NH, thought that canning its air would make a nice novelty item, but for some reason, sales of Derrry Air never caught on.
/

Horrible! I gave you an upding out of sympathy. :)

936 Macker  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:45am

re: #929 HoosierHoops

Great..I'm off today cause I woke up and started throwing up..My gut hurts..
I think I have the fringing flu

Well I sure hope it's only the fringing flu! Get well quick!

937 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:46am
938 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:48am

re: #914 JCM

Good morning!

939 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:16:51am

re: #929 HoosierHoops

Great..I'm off today cause I woke up and started throwing up..My gut hurts..
I think I have the fringing flu

Not good. Take care of yourself. I'll let you know when the package arrives. Really looking forward to seeing it.

940 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:17:29am

re: #897 Occasional Reader

That's them. No known commonalty, other than the fact they all attended the same two radical mosques in Toronto, including the one where the Khadr family "worships".

941 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:17:41am

Morning Lizards.

It's a fine day except for . . . My neighbor smokes cigars and inhales them. He has been hacking for 15 minutes now. Sometimes it sounds like he can't get his breath. Quit disturbing to hear him.

Otherwise, it's a fine day.

942 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:17:57am

re: #937 buzzsawmonkey

...sphinct, that is.

Alimentary, my dear Watson.

943 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:18:05am

re: #928 avanti

BHO is smart enough to know you get in more trouble with a cover up, then the actual screw up. I can think of no reason he would have even known about the flight, and if he did, and lied, it would come out in the end.

your lipstick is smeared again

944 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:18:14am
945 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:18:21am

re: #871 reine.de.tout

OK - that place -
there is an obsession with Charles, and also with the comments and commenters here that just does not seem to me to be emotionally healthy.

Good morning reine! Gee you're being awfully generous with your language!

946 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:18:22am

Greets and saluts from the soggy and overcast NYC metro area. I see that the nitwits in the White House are looking to throw Israel under the bus so that they can pursue a nuclear deal with Iran.

It's asinine, and a complete misreading of Iranian intentions to go nuclear.

It also shows a lack of understanding of the dynamics involved in Iran's intentions. They seek not only to go after the US and Israel (Great and Lesser Satans), but to subjugate all Sunni Muslims under the Shi'a dominion. The nuclear arms race didn't start because Israel got nukes, but because Iraq tried to get nukes to counter Iran, and now Iran is on the precipice of getting nukes to counter the rest of the region's Sunni majority.

It's the religious component that the Administration completely ignores.

The Administration also would throw all allies under the bus - imagine them telling the South Koreans to give up half its military capabilities to do a deal with the North. The South would never do so, because it would but the South at the mercy of a regime antithetical to its existence.

947 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:18:39am

re: #940 Kenneth

That's them. No known commonalty, other than the fact they all attended the same two radical mosques places of worship in Toronto, including the one where the Khadr family "worships".

Kenneth! PLEASE! You're so insensitive!

948 JCM  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:18:56am

re: #923 Irish Rose

Exactly.

Anybody with a camera and telephoto lens can take all the pics of SAM 28 / 29000 they want. Antennas on aircraft have EM transparent fairings so you can't deduce the antennas function because of the fairings. Some things like chaff, flares, IR and Radar jamming are common knowledge.

Any photo they take of SAM 28 / 29000 isn't going to show anything that isn't already in a photo in the public domain.

949 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:19:11am

re: #925 JohnnyReb

If that is really the case, then the cat has left the building, forget him just getting out of the bag. About 2 gazillion photos exist of that plane from the flyover. And some of them are extremely good quality. I am not buying into the classified argument.

And I am not buying into the conspiriacy theory bit either. I think someone very senior in the WH screwed up and they are trying to let it all blow over.

I doubt the detail is visible from a normal camera, even with a good telephoto, at the distances the aircraft was flying. (Very hard to get an extreme telephoto picture of a moving object.)
Also, some of those might only be visible from some angles, for example, from above the aircraft, not the ground.
No one without clearance gets near the aircraft on the ground, and we aren't so concerned about Russian satellite photographs as we are about terrorists.

950 JCM  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:20:01am

re: #938 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning!

Morning! back at ya!

951 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:20:13am

re: #929 HoosierHoops

Great..I'm off today cause I woke up and started throwing up..My gut hurts..
I think I have the fringing flu

Ouch!

952 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:21:09am

re: #931 Occasional Reader

I find this a little hard to believe (or that it would require anything more than a very quick review). If there are classified countermeasure on AF1 that are clearly visible to anyone with a good telephoto lens... we've got a problem.

See my later post. It is very hard to get a good photograph of a moving object with a telephoto. And a tripod won't help, because it is the object that is moving. The photo aircraft were much closer and moving at the same speed.

954 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:21:37am

re: #892 Killgore Trout
Well I don't know all the facts on that, but I'm gonna go with "rampant stupidity".

955 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:21:38am

re: #881 SFGoth


Imagine Holder as the state prosecutor in the long early stages of the Duke University Lacrosse rape case!

That was a good link. Very interesting analysis.

When you really sit back and consider all of the potential ramifications, it is chilling. It usurps the Constitution, creating unequal protection under the law.

I like the idea of equal rights for everyone. Enforce the laws we have now.

Murder is murder. Either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, etc.

I was amazed to hear though, this face transplant woman (the husband blew her face off with a shot gun point blank) in the news, her husband only got 7 years. What the hell is going on there?

956 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:21:46am

re: #948 JCM

Anybody with a camera and telephoto lens can take all the pics of SAM 28 / 29000 they want. Antennas on aircraft have EM transparent fairings so you can't deduce the antennas function because of the fairings. Some things like chaff, flares, IR and Radar jamming are common knowledge.

Any photo they take of SAM 28 / 29000 isn't going to show anything that isn't already in a photo in the public domain.

Bush came to Indy twice for fundraisers.. AF1 flew low over the office on the approach..I got pictures..And really the Paint job on AF1 is so cool in person..The sea foam green on the Belly is sharp..Makes me proud to be an American

957 Sheepdogess  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:11am

More change from the White House. This time a diaper change.

[Link: cdrsalamander.blogspot.com...]

958 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:14am

re: #929 HoosierHoops

Get well Hoosier. {}

959 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:34am

re: #945 realwest

Good morning reine! Gee you're being awfully generous with your language!

LOL!
I usually try to be.
Sometimes understatement makes a bigger impact.

960 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:47am

re: #929 HoosierHoops

Great..I'm off today cause I woke up and started throwing up..My gut hurts..
I think I have the fringing flu

Weren't you off on Monday and complaining about how boring it was? Well, that's Karma for ya, now you're home and will be...occupied.

J/K - Hope you feel better, stomach flu sucks!

961 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:47am

re: #920 Kenneth

Yes, the official explanation was so that the White House / USAF could update the VC-25 flying over national landmarks.

As I pointed out in my initial posting on the matter, nothing about the Statue of Liberty or the VC-25 (aka Air Force One when the President is on board) has changed since 1990, when the VC-25 was brought into service. The plane supposedly used in the photo op is an F-16, which is normally a single seater, and a poor platform from which to do the job.

Something stinks rotten about the whole thing, up to and including the secrecy about the mission in the first place. If the WH and USAF wanted the flyby, they could have announced that at some point on that day, the plane would be doing a series of flybys - and left it at that. No one would have gotten surprised and there wouldn't be frantic calls to 911 and emergency evacuations of nearby buildings because they thought the plane was heading for a 9/11 repeat.

For the WH and USAF to claim that the new images are classified also stinks something rotten given that we all saw the planes doing those maneuvers and now demand accountability.

For the WH, there is no accountability - no questioning of its judgment, which once again stinks.

962 JCM  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:52am

re: #952 Kosh's Shadow

See my later post. It is very hard to get a good photograph of a moving object with a telephoto. And a tripod won't help, because it is the object that is moving. The photo aircraft were much closer and moving at the same speed.

I've been within 100 yards of SAM 28 / 29000 at Boeing Field in Seattle. No photo restrictions. A good lens and I'd could have all the close ups I wanted.

963 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:22:55am

re: #955 formercorpsman

That was a good link. Very interesting analysis.

When you really sit back and consider all of the potential ramifications, it is chilling. It usurps the Constitution, creating unequal protection under the law.

I like the idea of equal rights for everyone. Enforce the laws we have now.

Murder is murder. Either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, etc.

I was amazed to hear though, this face transplant woman (the husband blew her face off with a shot gun point blank) in the news, her husband only got 7 years. What the hell is going on there?

he was the victim, tortured for years by bad makeup

964 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:23:04am

re: #929 HoosierHoops

Great..I'm off today cause I woke up and started throwing up..My gut hurts..
I think I have the fringing flu

Get better soon, Hoops. If the vomiting doesn't subside very soon, call your doctor... you need to stay hydrated.

965 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:23:40am

re: #903 Walter L. Newton
Hey! Hi Walter - how did things go with your echocardiogram yesterday? Really well, I hope!

966 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:23:58am

re: #953 onslow

That's one ella ella ella of a new haircut Michelle! First Lady Obama steals Rihanna's style

My hair is cut in a similar style too, so I can't gripe about "stealing" a style.

967 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:24:09am

re: #956 HoosierHoops

Bush came to Indy twice for fundraisers.. AF1 flew low over the office on the approach..I got pictures..And really the Paint job on AF1 is so cool in person..The sea foam green on the Belly is sharp..Makes me proud to be an American

I saw it at South Bend, just sitting there about 200yrds away from the road

968 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:24:36am

re: #948 JCM

And most of the EM/defense packages on board AF1 are under the skin, and not visible. You might notice a bulge or an additional fairing that isn't present on a typical 747, but you wouldn't necessarily know the purpose (though some experts could deduce the purpose based on location). Most of that stuff is already common knowledge.

Again, something stinks rotten about the whole episode.

969 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:25:10am

My opinion is that the pictures will be released once the story is dead, maybe after the WH report is released. Why bring up a politically embarrassing story if you don't need to ? The general public does not care about the pictures, so why release them just to please your detractors. Filing a FOIA request for all the pictures, flight logs and the rest is just a attempt get the story back in the news and will take weeks.

970 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:25:11am

re: #962 JCM

I've been within 100 yards of SAM 28 / 29000 at Boeing Field in Seattle. No photo restrictions. A good lens and I'd could have all the close ups I wanted.

I'm surprised they let you that close.
On another note, when I was in the Explorers, I saw some F-106's, and they would not let us take pictures if the weapons bays were open, because they might have been able to carry nuclear weapons (the Phoenix missile?)

971 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:25:31am

re: #958 midwestgak

Get well Hoosier. {}

Thanks friend...I am laying in front of lousy Daytime TV and blogging..
And my tummy really hurts...I never get sick..Maybe a cold every couple of years..But not sick...
I feel like OR is using me as his punching bag during his work outs..
Stop hitting my gut OR! LOL

972 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:25:41am

re: #952 Kosh's Shadow

See my later post. It is very hard to get a good photograph of a moving object with a telephoto. And a tripod won't help, because it is the object that is moving. The photo aircraft were much closer and moving at the same speed.

Kosh, just image-google "Air Force One". All kinds of pics are out there in the public domain. And if they were taking highly detailed photos of antennae and such, well, 1) why were they doing that, for "publicity photos", and 2) wouldn't it be pretty easy to screen those out prior to release?

973 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:25:47am

re: #965 realwest

Hey! Hi Walter - how did things go with your echocardiogram yesterday? Really well, I hope!

Well, they discovered that I do have a heart, although some of the experts at LGF could debate that, and my heart is still beating.

I haven't heard from the Doc et, but the tech didn't mention anything, and they weren't looking for anything in particular, so I don't think they found anything in particular.

No news is, well, no news.

974 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:25:48am

re: #953 onslow

I don't know if I have asked this before or not.

Is the nic referring to North Carolina?

975 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:26:14am

The real reason behind plane-gate and the cover up is Obama IS A MUSLIM TERROEIST! He was using the plane to practice a dry run attack on NYC!

(do I really need a sarcasm tag here?)

976 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:26:14am

re: #961 lawhawk

and some people are okay with it...pffft...not me

977 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #928 avanti

BHO is smart enough to know you get in more trouble with a cover up, then the actual screw up. I can think of no reason he would have even known about the flight, and if he did, and lied, it would come out in the end.

Oh pu-lease! During the Democratic candidates' debate he was asked about his relationship with William Ayers. He answered, "just some guy in my neighborhood, a professor at the university". He denied any other connection. When reported later raised the fact Ayers held a party at his home to launch Obama's political career, Obama first denied it ever happened, then admitted he might have gone to a party but it was for him. And so on and so on.

Shall we go over his serial denials, lies and obfuscations over the Rev. J. Wright?

So cut the shit, ok?

Obama will tell any lie if it helps him. He knows the majority of the media will follow along.

978 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #953 onslow

That's one ella ella ella of a new haircut Michelle! First Lady Obama steals Rihanna's style

It's not a cut--the hair was styled that way.

BTW, what in the world possessed Liv Tyler? She looks as if she has a skin disease.

979 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:26:45am

re: #949 Kosh's Shadow

I doubt the detail is visible from a normal camera, even with a good telephoto, at the distances the aircraft was flying. (Very hard to get an extreme telephoto picture of a moving object.)
Also, some of those might only be visible from some angles, for example, from above the aircraft, not the ground.
No one without clearance gets near the aircraft on the ground, and we aren't so concerned about Russian satellite photographs as we are about terrorists.

I think everyone here is forgetting that AF1 does fly to other places and actually lands and thousands of people take pictures of it sitting on the ground. And some of them are actually professional photographers. So if there is anything actually visible on that plane it has been photographed about a gazillion times before.

Point being, there is absolutely no way those photos need to be classified. And apparently there was going to be another photo op over DC this week:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

980 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:04am

re: #920 Kenneth Good morning Kenneth! Well I'm surely not going to deny that Obama's a Narcissist, but I believed him when he said or at least indicated that he had no idea that this flight was gonna occur until after it happened.

981 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:09am

re: #972 Occasional Reader

Kosh, just image-google "Air Force One". All kinds of pics are out there in the public domain. And if they were taking highly detailed photos of antennae and such, well, 1) why were they doing that, for "publicity photos", and 2) wouldn't it be pretty easy to screen those out prior to release?

The idea is that they'd review the pictures and photoshop them or not release the ones with anything revealed.
Or maybe while in flight they raise the antenna used for subspace communication with the alien mother ship that gives Obama his orders.
///

982 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:17am

re: #961 lawhawk

Yes, the official explanation was so that the White House / USAF could update the VC-25 flying over national landmarks.

As I pointed out in my initial posting on the matter, nothing about the Statue of Liberty or the VC-25 (aka Air Force One when the President is on board) has changed since 1990, when the VC-25 was brought into service. The plane supposedly used in the photo op is an F-16, which is normally a single seater, and a poor platform from which to do the job.

Something stinks rotten about the whole thing, up to and including the secrecy about the mission in the first place. If the WH and USAF wanted the flyby, they could have announced that at some point on that day, the plane would be doing a series of flybys - and left it at that. No one would have gotten surprised and there wouldn't be frantic calls to 911 and emergency evacuations of nearby buildings because they thought the plane was heading for a 9/11 repeat.

For the WH and USAF to claim that the new images are classified also stinks something rotten given that we all saw the planes doing those maneuvers and now demand accountability.

For the WH, there is no accountability - no questioning of its judgment, which once again stinks.

But Avanti assured us yesterday that Obama would get to the bottom of this!

983 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:38am
984 lurking faith  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:43am

re: #779 SixDegrees

While you have a point about portions of the religious right attempting to establish religious-based instruction (Intelligent Design) in public schools, you are way out of line in trying to lay blame on formercorpsman for what the ID-instruction crowd is doing.

"If you don't agree with me completely, you must be working for the enemy"? I don't like that way of thinking.

985 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:43am

re: #964 Occasional Reader

Get better soon, Hoops. If the vomiting doesn't subside very soon, call your doctor... you need to stay hydrated.

Water you talking about?

986 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:27:50am

re: #957 Sheepdogess

More change from the White House. This time a diaper change.

[Link: cdrsalamander.blogspot.com...]

What kind of freakin' idiot thinks it's acceptable to change a diaper on those chairs?

987 onslow  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:28:04am

re: #974 formercorpsman

Onslow

988 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:28:08am

re: #881 SFGoth

While the Republican party debates which creation myth it wants to promulgate, Nat Hentoff - a very old, wise, and pro-life liberal posts this:
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

Scary stuff. Can we please focus on the coming totalitarianism and not how we got here, or whether Adam and Steve should be happy together for the rest of their lives?


I don't always agree with Hentoff, but I do respect him as a truly principled civil libertarian.

989 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:28:20am

re: #953 onslow

That's one ella ella ella of a new haircut Michelle! First Lady Obama steals Rihanna's style

I like it. Could do without the cheap plastic rope necklaces, though.

990 KenJen  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:28:41am
991 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:07am

re: #975 Mad Al-Jaffee

The real reason behind plane-gate and the cover up is Obama IS A MUSLIM TERROEIST! He was using the plane to practice a dry run attack on NYC!

(do I really need a sarcasm tag here?)

Also, the photos aren't being release because the extreme close-ups through the windows show the onboard birth certificate falsifying machines!

992 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:17am

re: #969 avanti

My opinion is that the pictures will be released once the story is dead, maybe after the WH report is released. Why bring up a politically embarrassing story if you don't need to ? The general public does not care about the pictures, so why release them just to please your detractors. Filing a FOIA request for all the pictures, flight logs and the rest is just a attempt get the story back in the news and will take weeks.


here's your big chance to post another poll, or are you simply mind reading?

993 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:20am

re: #850 tfc3rid

Last I checked this is still a free country and she can do and think and write anything she wants, just like the rest of us...

I never said that she didn't.

994 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:22am

re: #952 Kosh's Shadow

The photo aircraft was a F-16, which isn't a proper platform from which to take those kinds of photos. It's a single seater, which means the pilot has to fly the plane - not take photos. Anyone who's ever watched Top Gun knows that it's the back seater who takes the photos. And you never buzz the tower without permission.

As for taking high resolution photos of moving objects, it is actually quite possible to do if you know where the object is going to be. You frame the shot accordingly. It takes some practice, but it can be done. After all, there are plenty of photos of NASCAR races and up close shots of the vehicles as they're running around the track. This is little different. A little preparation and knowledge of your lens capabilities, and you can get good shots.

995 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:23am

re: #970 Kosh's Shadow

I'm surprised they let you that close.
On another note, when I was in the Explorers, I saw some F-106's, and they would not let us take pictures if the weapons bays were open, because they might have been able to carry nuclear weapons (the Phoenix missile?)

Probably the Genie AAM - The Phoenix was only carried by the F-14 Tomcat & were never nuclear.

996 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:44am

re: #971 HoosierHoops

Thanks friend...I am laying in front of lousy Daytime TV and blogging..
And my tummy really hurts...I never get sick..Maybe a cold every couple of years..But not sick...
I feel like OR is using me as his punching bag during his work outs..
Stop hitting my gut OR! LOL

Have you called for a doctor appointment?

997 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:51am

re: #982 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But Avanti assured us yesterday that Obama would get to the bottom of this!

Yep, and you can call me on it, if a report is not released in a few days.

998 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:29:59am

re: #990 KenJen

There she is with the mardi gras beads again.

Did Michelle show us her t... um, never mind.

999 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:30:00am

re: #978 MandyManners

It's not a cut--the hair was styled that way.

BTW, what in the world possessed Liv Tyler? She looks as if she has a skin disease.

I haven't seen her in a couple of Years..A very lovely young lady and pretty talented also.

1000 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:30:07am

re: #929 HoosierHoops
Hoops! Is the "fringing flu" that flu from Mexico?!?
Seriously I'm very sorry to hear that you're not feeling well.
Hope y'all get better soon!

1001 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:30:36am

re: #997 avanti

Yep, and you can call me on it, if a report is not released in a few days.

IIRC, the White House said two weeks?

1002 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:30:54am

re: #987 onslow

Gotcha.

1003 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:30:59am

I hope Obama succeeds in catching the Spine flu.

1004 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:31:08am

re: #998 Occasional Reader

Did Michelle show us her t... um, never mind.

She gets them for keeping her top on.

1005 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:31:29am

re: #991 Occasional Reader

Also, the photos aren't being release because the extreme close-ups through the windows show the onboard birth certificate falsifying machines!

haha!...good one

1006 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:31:29am

re: #994 lawhawk

Some F-16's are 2-seaters. I don't know which version was used in this stunt.

1007 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:31:34am

re: #829 sattv4u2

Beside a small (very small) group that wants ID taught in school science classes, please tell me how/ where the religious right is trying to set up a theocratic gov't in the USA.

(please don't bring up opposition to gay marriage, because the majority of all Americans, religious and non are against it)

To my mind, the reason that opposition to gay marriage ought not count as an example of Taliban-like "theocracy" is not that it's a majority position, but that the opponents of gay marriage aren't calling for the arrest and prosecution of religious ministers who do support and perform same-sex marriages.

1008 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:31:39am

re: #970 Kosh's Shadow

I'm surprised they let you that close.
On another note, when I was in the Explorers, I saw some F-106's, and they would not let us take pictures if the weapons bays were open, because they might have been able to carry nuclear weapons (the Phoenix missile?)

F-106's where interceptors, and had the Genie (AIR-2) nuclear air to air missile.
Phoenix (AIM-54) was specific to F-14s.

1009 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:32:35am

I thought this was going to be an Adriana Lima booty thread?

You're welcome, OR.

1010 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:32:49am

re: #992 albusteve

here's your big chance to post another poll, or are you simply mind reading?

The issue was not apparently not big enough for polling, but his approval rating is going up with the market rise. The economy is what the public seems to care about, not a dumb ass decision about a photo op.

1011 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:32:52am

re: #1003 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not funny (if it was meant to be funny). Why is that considered to be humor, wishing someone to be sick or die or get hurt.

And if it wasn't meant to be funny, not cool.

IMHO

1012 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:33:27am

re: #971 HoosierHoops

Thanks friend...I am laying in front of lousy Daytime TV and blogging..
And my tummy really hurts...I never get sick..Maybe a cold every couple of years..But not sick...
I feel like OR is using me as his punching bag during his work outs..
Stop hitting my gut OR! LOL

But it's much easier beating up sick people!

Seriously, keep yourself hydrated, preferably with Gatorade or something similar to replace electrolytes. If the nausea keeps up, definitely call a doctor, they can fix that.

1013 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:33:48am

re: #961 lawhawk

I'm not normally into conspiracy theories, but after 3 margaritas, I'm open to suggestions! Talking with friends last night we were kicking around ideas for what could possibly be going on. One guy had an interesting suggestion - AF needed practice in case another 9/11 happened in how to bring down the plane, minimizing loss to people in the city, below. His thought was that they were testing for the best angle to bring down such a plane and photographing people fleeing to see evacuation patterns.

As I said, we'd all had 3 VERY potent margaritas ;-}

1014 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:34:06am
1015 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:34:11am

re: #928 avanti

BHO is smart enough to know you get in more trouble with a cover up, then the actual screw up. I can think of no reason he would have even known about the flight, and if he did, and lied, it would come out in the end.

He thinks he can get away with it, which is like every other politician who lies and thinks that they can get away with stuff.

What's going to get him in trouble is that the longer this stuff festers, the worse it will be in the long run.

Consider:
1) There was no good reason to have the fly by in the first place;
2) Assuming it was necessary, the planes involved were not the appropriate type to take fly-by photos of the Statue of Liberty as they were single seaters;
3) Keeping everyone in the dark scared everyone on the ground - and the FAA knew that in advance, and yet kept it quiet
4) Lying about the purpose of the flight;
5) Saying that the flight was to update stock footage, and then demand that the photos taken are classified? That just smacks of a big lie.

No reason for the lies - unless they are trying to hide the true intention of the flight. And if that's the case, there's good reason to question the Administration and press for the release of all information relating to the flight as there's no good reason that VC-25s would have low level flights below 1,000 feet in New York Harbor.

1016 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:34:43am

re: #994 lawhawk

The photo aircraft was a F-16, which isn't a proper platform from which to take those kinds of photos. It's a single seater, which means the pilot has to fly the plane - not take photos. Anyone who's ever watched Top Gun knows that it's the back seater who takes the photos. And you never buzz the tower without permission.

As for taking high resolution photos of moving objects, it is actually quite possible to do if you know where the object is going to be. You frame the shot accordingly. It takes some practice, but it can be done. After all, there are plenty of photos of NASCAR races and up close shots of the vehicles as they're running around the track. This is little different. A little preparation and knowledge of your lens capabilities, and you can get good shots.

F-16D is a two seater, and replaced the F-4G on Wild Weasel, SAM interdiction missions.

1017 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:34:58am

re: #959 reine.de.tout
"Sometimes understatement makes a bigger impact."
Really? I'll have to try that some day!
:)

1018 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:35:00am

re: #1011 Walter L. Newton

I think he was trying to make a pun. He wrote "spine" flu. AS in Obama needs a spine.

1019 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:35:19am

re: #1010 avanti

The issue was not apparently not big enough for polling, but his approval rating is going up with the market rise. The economy is what the public seems to care about, not a dumb ass decision about a photo op.

if people were informed of the situation, my guess is that they would want to see the pics...you are just backpedling

1020 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:35:35am

re: #1018 Kenneth

I think he was trying to make a pun. He wrote "spine" flu. AS in Obama needs a spine.

Ok. Then maybe it just hit me wrong.

1021 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:35:44am
1022 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:36:27am

re: #994 lawhawk

A little preparation and knowledge of your lens capabilities, and you can get good shots.

Actually, shutter and film speed is the factor. Film speed if using film and not digital.

1023 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:36:40am

re: #1021 taxfreekiller

rain

to
much
rain

Texas, Spring, what do you expect. I lived there 15 years, spring weather will keep your attention level up.

1024 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:36:58am

re: #1011 Walter L. Newton

Not funny (if it was meant to be funny). Why is that considered to be humor, wishing someone to be sick or die or get hurt.

And if it wasn't meant to be funny, not cool.

IMHO

SPINE flu. gees. toughen up ?

1025 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:37:25am

re: #1021 taxfreekiller

rain

to
much
rain

drums

drums in the deep

they are coming


/just reminded me of that passage

1026 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:37:47am

re: #969 avanti

My opinion is that the pictures will be released once the story is dead, maybe after the WH report is released. Why bring up a politically embarrassing story if you don't need to ? The general public does not care about the pictures, so why release them just to please your detractors. Filing a FOIA request for all the pictures, flight logs and the rest is just a attempt get the story back in the news and will take weeks.


But Obama promised a transparent presidency. So far it has been anything but.

1027 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:38:03am

re: #992 albusteve

here's your big chance to post another poll, or are you simply mind numbing reading?

1028 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #964 Occasional Reader
" you need to stay hydrated." WHAT? When did you become a doctor.
Hoops listen to me: drink plenty of fluids and if you're running a fever, call your doctor immediately! NO JOKE!

1029 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:38:38am
1030 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:38:42am

re: #1022 Russkilitlover

Actually, shutter and film speed is the factor. Film speed if using film and not digital.

I shutter to contemplate the pun thread that may erupt over this. So I'll say in advance, "I wish you all would just F 'in stop!"

1031 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:38:51am

re: #1006 Kenneth

Some F-16's are 2-seaters. I don't know which version was used in this stunt.

Based on what I saw of the various videos, they show as single seat variants, of the Alabama National Guard - Red Tails (as the ANG repainted some of their F-16s in honor of the Tuskegee Airmen). The ANG does operate some B- models (2-seaters), but I saw only single seaters flying.

1032 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:00am

re: #1024 SasquatchOnSteroids

SPINE flu. gees. toughen up ?

Sorry.

1033 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:08am
1034 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:12am

We've been pretty critical of Obama's foreign policy and perhaps we've been unfair. Obama has recently received high praise form two world leaders:

At a joint press conference with the Syrian President, Ahmadinejad boasted that “those who one day called Iran and Syria part of the axis of evil now want to develop relations with Iran and Syria. Circumstances are changing rapidly in our favor. We are on the road to victory."

You see? It's all in how you look at it.

1035 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:21am

re: #1028 realwest

WHAT? When did you become a doctor.

It says so right there on the sheepskin hanging on my office wall: Juris Doctor.

1036 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:34am

re: #1026 opnion

But Obama promised a transparent presidency. So far it has been anything but.

the simple explanation is that BO is a poor liar that fooled a whole lot of droolers to vote for him (who now spend their time here kissing his ass til their lips swell)

1037 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:44am

re: #1000 realwest

Hoops! Is the "fringing flu" that flu from Mexico?!?
Seriously I'm very sorry to hear that you're not feeling well.
Hope y'all get better soon!

I'm not sure..But I have this hankering for Burritos.. Am I in trouble?
Thanks Realwest..
re: #1021 taxfreekiller

1038 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:39:53am

re: #1032 Walter L. Newton

no worries !

1039 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:40:18am

BBL, I'm off to do something productive.
Have a great morning, everyone.

1040 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:40:22am
1041 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:40:35am

re: #1003 SasquatchOnSteroids

I hope Obama succeeds in catching the Spine flu.

My problem is Obama giving the Spine Flew to the Mullah's, cause that sure as hell is looking the way it's moving.

1042 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:41:14am

re: #973 Walter L. Newton
Well where docs are concerned, no news is usually good news - or the doc's on another vacation!

1043 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:41:32am

...

1044 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:41:52am

re: #966 reine.de.tout

My hair is cut in a similar style too, so I can't gripe about "stealing" a style.

I'm getting my hair cut today. Perhaps I should follow the trend...

1045 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #1032 Walter L. Newton

Sorry.

I'll try again.

I love humility. updinged ya.

1046 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:42:52am

re: #1040 buzzsawmonkey

OR is Mister Hydrate. Or maybe Dr. Jekyll.

Your calumnies are not something I will take electro-lytely.

1047 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:43:24am

re: #1019 albusteve

if people were informed of the situation, my guess is that they would want to see the pics...you are just backpedling

What situation pray tell ? Was something bad going on in the pictures that we need to see ASAP ?

1048 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:43:49am

re: #1033 buzzsawmonkey

He seems pretty transparent to me; the more opaque his administration is, the more transparent he becomes.

What is apparent is that he is just another Cook County Democrat trying to run things with thugishness. Exhibit one is Emanuel.

1049 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:44:00am
1050 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:44:02am

re: #1035 Occasional Reader

It says so right there on the sheepskin hanging on my office wall: Juris Doctor.

Why aren't attorneys called "Doctor" as holders of PhD's are called?

1051 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:44:07am

re: #1047 avanti

What situation pray tell ? Was something bad going on in the pictures that we need to see ASAP ?

here's a napkin

1052 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:44:30am

re: #985 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Hi there pBM! Water, tea but also either ginger ale or Gatorade to keep the electrolytes functioning properly.

1053 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:44:39am

re: #1042 realwest

Well where docs are concerned, no news is usually good news - or the doc's on another vacation!

No, unless there is some sort of red flags that appear right away, any time I have any test, it takes one to two weeks to hear about the results from my doc.

Even a simple Complete Blood Count takes 1 to 2 weeks for the doc to get back to me.

1054 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:44:50am
1055 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:45:09am

re: #1021 taxfreekiller

rain

to
much
rain

God: Taxfreekiller!
TFK: Yes Lord?
God: I need you to build an Ark 40 cubits by 40 Cubits..
TFK: Yes lord..What's an Ark
God: ( Holding his hand over the heavenly phone) The next Angel that has me call Texas is Fired!
TFK: Lord?
God: What is it my child?
TFK: What size Mercury outboard engine should I buy?
God: Did I call the wrong number? ( room scatters )
TFK: Lord?
Click!
TFK: mmm still raining..What's up with that?
LOL

1056 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:45:14am

re: #1050 MandyManners

Why aren't attorneys called "Doctor" as holders of PhD's are called?

In much of Latin America, we are. That's why I love doing business there! (Well, that, and the chicks.)

1057 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:45:27am

re: #1046 Occasional Reader

Your calumnies are not something I will take electro-lytely.

Are you pediaSURE about that?

1058 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:45:30am

re: #1048 opnion

What is apparent is that he is just another Cook County Democrat trying to run things with thugishness. Exhibit one is Emanuel.

Like Daley pushing through the parking meter fiasco?

1059 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:45:59am

re: #1055 HoosierHoops

God: Taxfreekiller!
TFK: Yes Lord?
God: I need you to build an Ark 40 cubits by 40 Cubits..
TFK: Yes lord..What's an Ark
God: ( Holding his hand over the heavenly phone) The next Angel that has me call Texas is Fired!
TFK: Lord?
God: What is it my child?
TFK: What size Mercury outboard engine should I buy?
God: Did I call the wrong number? ( room scatters )
TFK: Lord?
Click!
TFK: mmm still raining..What's up with that?
LOL

Dates you, Cosby fan.

1060 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:46:03am

re: #1047 avanti

What situation pray tell ? Was something bad going on in the pictures that we need to see ASAP ?

The longer you wait to respond to something the more it looks like you are trying to hide something. Stop being such an obamaasskisser.

1061 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:46:10am

re: #1054 buzzsawmonkey

Attorneys are called so many other things.

Not all involve the "F" word!

1062 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:46:39am
1063 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:46:41am

re: #1056 Occasional Reader

In much of Latin America, we are. That's why I love doing business there! (Well, that, and the chicks.)

So, you get to play "coctor" down there?

1064 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:46:42am

re: #1047 avanti

What situation pray tell ? Was something bad going on in the pictures that we need to see ASAP ?

Obama acting like a six year caught in the cookie jar hiding the cookie behind his back.

Own up to the mistake, use the damn pictures we paid for.

Most transparent administration my ass, the only thing Obama is transparent about is what will make GWB look bad.

I respect people who own up to mistakes, anyone who deflects attention and hides the evidence is a moron.

1065 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:46:59am

re: #991 Occasional Reader
Aha! Maybe we're all on the wrong track about those photos - maybe they are photos of something on the ground that AF-1 (minus the POTUS) was taking!
Secret photos of Manhattan I tells ya!
/

1066 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:47:23am

re: #1054 buzzsawmonkey

Attorneys are called so many other things.

Old joke - spermatozoa.

1067 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:47:23am

re: #1061 MandyManners

Not all involve the "F" word!

Remember, Mandy: Without lawyers, life itself would be impossible.


/slogan I stole from the chemical industry

1068 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:47:32am

*sigh*

1069 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:47:58am

re: #1058 midwestgak

Like Daley pushing through the parking meter fiasco?

Yeah & how about destroying the Miegs Field runway in the dead of night?

1070 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:48:06am

re: #1015 lawhawk

No reason for the lies - unless they are trying to hide the true intention of the flight. And if that's the case, there's good reason to question the Administration and press for the release of all information relating to the flight as there's no good reason that VC-25s would have low level flights below 1,000 feet in New York Harbor.

Back to Planegate yet again. WTF would the "true intention" of the flight be and how did they get the Air Force to sign off on it ? The taking pictures on a training mission was a stupid idea, but I'm at a loss as to how we could turn it into some sort of conspirancy issue.

1071 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:48:20am

re: #1067 Occasional Reader

Remember, Mandy: Without lawyers, life itself would be impossible.


/slogan I stole from the chemical industry

Gonna' sic an IP shark on you.

1072 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:48:44am

re: #1052 realwest

Hi there pBM! Water, tea but also either ginger ale or Gatorade to keep the electrolytes functioning properly.

Good morning!

heh ... I could respond by hitting you with a pun, like I was doing to OR.

1073 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:48:53am

re: #1061 MandyManners

Not all involve the "F" word!

Some are called far worse, like "Senator Edwards."

1074 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:04am

re: #1070 avanti

Back to Planegate yet again. WTF would the "true intention" of the flight be and how did they get the Air Force to sign off on it ? The taking pictures on a training mission was a stupid idea, but I'm at a loss as to how we could turn it into some sort of conspirancy issue.

It's not a conspiracy. The photo op over NYC was tone deaf, and classifying the images is plane stupid.

1075 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:15am

re: #1060 VegasRick

The longer you wait to respond to something the more it looks like you are trying to hide something. Stop being such an obamaasskisser.

This would have been a non-story if Gibbs or someone would have just said, sorry we made a mistake wont happen again, here are some pictures.

The BS line that the pics are "classified" threw a huge barrel of gas on the fire, and made this go viral IMO.

1076 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:16am
1077 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:35am

re: #1065 realwest

Aha! Maybe we're all on the wrong track about those photos - maybe they are photos of something on the ground that AF-1 (minus the POTUS) was taking!
Secret photos of Manhattan I tells ya!
/

No no no, it was a run for NY pizza that went bad.

1078 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:37am

re: #994 lawhawk
Morning lawhawk - actually a single seater aircraft can and has been used many, many times for photo-recon.
Almost half the flights my Dad made as a pilot of a P-38 Lightning (twin engine, single seater) were photo recon missions. Camera's are preset or - these days - controlled from the ground.

1079 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:46am

re: #1012 Occasional Reader

But it's much easier beating up sick people!

Seriously, keep yourself hydrated, preferably with Gatorade or something similar to replace electrolytes. If the nausea keeps up, definitely call a doctor, they can fix that.

Or drink Brawndo, The Thirst Mutilator

[Link: www.brawndo.com...]

1080 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:49:51am

re: #1062 Killgore Trout

Actually, they have. Where are the anti-war types to protest the murder of civilians? They're notoriously silent, given their regularly scheduled outrage when the Bush Administration authorized similar airstrikes.

1081 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:50:21am

re: #1021 taxfreekiller

rain

to
much
rain

*Sigh* What's rain? Is it that mythical stuff that falls from the sky and makes things wet?

1082 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:50:34am

re: #1070 avanti

Back to Planegate yet again. WTF would the "true intention" of the flight be and how did they get the Air Force to sign off on it ? The taking pictures on a training mission was a stupid idea, but I'm at a loss as to how we could turn it into some sort of conspirancy issue.

of course you are...you are a fungi to blog with...say something else

1083 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:51:35am

re: #1078 realwest

I'm aware that single seaters can be used for recon, but that's ground recon - where the cameras take photos of ground targets, and fire off the film (back in those days), by pressing a trigger mechanism in the cockpit).

That isn't likely the case here.

It still doesn't address why all of a sudden the photos are classified when the excuse was that it was to update the file photos that are meant for public consumption.

1084 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:51:47am

re: #1081 Russkilitlover

*Sigh* What's rain? Is it that mythical stuff that falls from the sky and makes things wet?

It is and as a result, last week I had ducks swimming in my back yard . . .and I am a mile from the nearest waterway.

1085 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:51:49am

F-16D Block 30B

Count the helmets in the cockpit.

1086 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:51:53am
1087 opnion  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:51:54am

re: #1074 jcm

It's not a conspiracy. The photo op over NYC was tone deaf, and classifying the images is plane stupid.

Yup, he can't wait to go public with the interrogation photos, but his arrogant screw up, not so much.

1088 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #1085 jcm

F-16D Block 30B

Count the helmets in the cockpit.

dead link

1089 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:52:50am

re: #1083 lawhawk

I'm aware that single seaters can be used for recon, but that's ground recon - where the cameras take photos of ground targets, and fire off the film (back in those days), by pressing a trigger mechanism in the cockpit).

That isn't likely the case here.

It still doesn't address why all of a sudden the photos are classified when the excuse was that it was to update the file photos that are meant for public consumption.

It's possible a UFO flew into the shots? That would be a good reason to classify the photos.

1090 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:53:10am

re: #1074 jcm

It's not a conspiracy. The photo op over NYC was tone deaf, and classifying the images is plane stupid.

Might have even been plaid stupid.

1091 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:53:27am

re: #1060 VegasRick

The longer you wait to respond to something the more it looks like you are trying to hide something. Stop being such an obamaasskisser.

OK, it's been a week since BHO said he was doing a investigation, and he named the guy doing it. How long did it take to investigate Nixon or Clinton ? Maybe we could wait another few days to put planegate to bed, before deciding someone is hiding Lord knows what.

1092 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:53:38am

re: #1088 albusteve

dead link

Works for me...

Try this...

F-16D Block 40A

1093 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:53:55am

re: #1073 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Some are called far worse, like "Senator Edwards."

Or, Geraldo Rivera.

BTW, Elizabeth's book is coming out.

1094 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:54:02am

re: #1082 albusteve

of course you are...you are a fungi to blog with...say something else

I usually avoid the controversies with Avanti, but I'm lichen this one.

1095 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:54:51am

re: #1094 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I usually avoid the controversies with Avanti, but I'm lichen this one.

Things are pretty civil right now on this thread, please don't let them mushroom out of control.

1096 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #1092 jcm

Works for me...

Try this...

F-16D Block 40A

oh yeah...chukka chukka boom boom...get some!

1097 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:55:02am

re: #1035 Occasional Reader That's what mine says too - but it means we can only treat juris!
Ok, that was a stretch. I'm just tired and feeling poorly.

1098 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #1083 lawhawk

I'm aware that single seaters can be used for recon, but that's ground recon - where the cameras take photos of ground targets, and fire off the film (back in those days), by pressing a trigger mechanism in the cockpit).

That isn't likely the case here.

It still doesn't address why all of a sudden the photos are classified when the excuse was that it was to update the file photos that are meant for public consumption.

It would be interesting to know if someone special was flying on the plane.

1099 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:55:35am

Arlen Specter gets slap upside the head from Dems:

New Democrat Specter Loses Committee Seniority
The Senate passed a resolution Tuesday night that made Sen. Arlen Specter the most junior Democrat on the committees on which he serves.

Guess everything's not so rosy after all, huh?

1100 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:55:58am

re: #1074 jcm

It's not a conspiracy. The photo op over NYC was tone deaf, and classifying the images is plane stupid.

I'd bet that classified them is automatic and they will be released soon, and be boring as hell unless you are expecting a UFO or a crack party on board./

1101 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:00am

re: #1095 Creeping Eruption

Things are pretty civil right now on this thread, please don't let them mushroom out of control.

Oh, button it.

1102 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:19am

re: #1091 avanti

OK, it's been a week since BHO said he was doing a investigation, and he named the guy doing it. How long did it take to investigate Nixon or Clinton ? Maybe we could wait another few days to put planegate to bed, before deciding someone is hiding Lord knows what.

BO stupidly creates his own controversies...fix your bib

1103 CIA Reject  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:23am

re: #1098 MandyManners

It would be interesting to know if someone special was flying on the plane.

Can anybody account for Mr. Soros' whereabouts on that day?

1104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:25am

re: #1095 Creeping Eruption

Things are pretty civil right now on this thread, please don't let them mushroom out of control.

Yes, we moss not let that happen.

1105 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:25am

Good grief... I just saw a comment on another site stating that the evil Obama intentionally scheduled this flyover to keep innocent New Yorkers in a perpetual state of fear because he's a Muslim.

This is exactly the kind of result that you get when conservative journalists like Malkin insist in engaging in hysterical conspiracy-mongering to whip up their gullible readers on the right.

Anti-Muslim sentiment and ridiculous conspiracy theories like this one are the bread and butter for way too many irresponsible conservative journalists and media personalities these days, and they know it.

It's sickening.

1106 saberry0530  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:32am

re: #1099 Ward Cleaver

Arlen Specter gets slap upside the head from Dems:

New Democrat Specter Loses Committee Seniority
The Senate passed a resolution Tuesday night that made Sen. Arlen Specter the most junior Democrat on the committees on which he serves.

Guess everything's not so rosy after all, huh?

Brings to mind the term "USEFUL IDIOT"

1107 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:46am

re: #1098 MandyManners

It would be interesting to know if someone special was flying on the plane.

IIRC sometimes on training hops for the SAM aircraft family and friends of 89th personnel can catch a ride.

1108 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:56:47am

Think California will legalize marijuana so it can be taxed? just askin'.

1109 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:01am

re: #1091 avanti

OK, it's been a week since BHO said he was doing a investigation, and he named the guy doing it. How long did it take to investigate Nixon or Clinton ? Maybe we could wait another few days to put planegate to bed, before deciding someone is hiding Lord knows what.

Really? IT'S A FUCKING PICTURE OF A FUCKING PLANE YOU MORON!
oak. obamaasskisser.

1110 subsailor68  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:03am

re: #1101 MandyManners

Oh, button it.

But there's a morel to this story somewhere, isn't there?

1111 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:14am

re: #1101 MandyManners

Oh, button it.

Crimini - its getting rough in here.

1112 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:26am

re: #1101 MandyManners

Oh, button it.

What an Angel.

1113 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:32am

re: #1103 CIA Reject

Can anybody account for Mr. Soros' whereabouts on that day?

HE WAS ON THE GRASSY KNOLL!

1114 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:43am

re: #1097 realwest

That's what mine says too - but it means we can only treat juris!
Ok, that was a stretch. I'm just tired and feeling poorly.

my back hurts so bad I cannot really stand up...we will survive tho

1115 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:57:52am
1116 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:58:21am

re: #1108 midwestgak

Think California will legalize marijuana so it can be taxed? just askin'.

I do.

1117 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:58:43am

re: #1105 Irish Rose

How about reading Lawhawk's post on this subject. He's as far from a conspiracy nut as FCBBHO is a capitalist.

1118 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:59:05am

re: #1091 avanti

OK, it's been a week since BHO said he was doing a investigation, and he named the guy doing it. How long did it take to investigate Nixon or Clinton ? Maybe we could wait another few days to put planegate to bed, before deciding someone is hiding Lord knows what.

Sorry, as a manager, for a procedural eff-up like this it would take me all of 5 minutes to get to the bottom of it.

1119 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:59:16am

re: #1105 Irish Rose

Good grief... I just saw a comment on another site stating that the evil Obama intentionally scheduled this flyover to keep innocent New Yorkers in a perpetual state of fear because he's a Muslim.

This is exactly the kind of result that you get when conservative journalists like Malkin insist in engaging in hysterical conspiracy-mongering to whip up their gullible readers on the right.

Anti-Muslim sentiment and ridiculous conspiracy theories like this one are the bread and butter for way too many irresponsible conservative journalists and media personalities these days, and they know it.

It's sickening.

everyone is entitled to their opinion...don't read too much into it

1120 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 8:59:36am

re: #1107 jcm

IIRC sometimes on training hops for the SAM aircraft family and friends of 89th personnel can catch a ride.

I'd have no problem with that. Kinda' like a "bring your daughter to work" thing.

1121 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:00am

re: #1098 MandyManners

It would be interesting to know if someone special was flying on the plane.

Jimmy Hoffa, Osama, Waldo ? /

1122 CIA Reject  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #1113 MandyManners

HE WAS ON THE GRASSY KNOLL!

LOL!

SHINY SIDE OUT!

1123 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #1059 Walter L. Newton
Realwest: Lord?
GOD: Yes?
Realwest: What's a cubit?
GOD: are you a friend of TFK?
Realwest: Yes Lord
GOD: hangs up phone.

Bigger Cosby fan!

1124 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:24am

re: #1100 avanti

I'd bet that classified them is automatic and they will be released soon, and be boring as hell unless you are expecting a UFO or a crack party on board./

Obama has a penchant for cover his tracks. This is true to form, something embarrassing, bury it.

They are PUBLICITY photos for cripes sakes. Not releasing the stupid images only fuels the speculation. It's not like it's a assembly photo for a W-88.

1125 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:40am

re: #1110 subsailor68

But there's a morel to this story somewhere, isn't there?

Maybe a sporious morel.

1126 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #1105 Irish Rose

Good grief... I just saw a comment on another site stating that the evil Obama intentionally scheduled this flyover to keep innocent New Yorkers in a perpetual state of fear because he's a Muslim.

This is exactly the kind of result that you get when conservative journalists like Malkin insist in engaging in hysterical conspiracy-mongering to whip up their gullible readers on the right.

Anti-Muslim sentiment and ridiculous conspiracy theories like this one are the bread and butter for way too many irresponsible conservative journalists and media personalities these days, and they know it.

It's sickening.

Now, hold on.

From what I've seen posted on this thread, Malkin isn't positing a "conspiracy theory" about the AF1 photo shoot. She put in a FOIA request for the pics, and is claiming the delay is because they are in CYA mode; but that's hardly a "conspiracy theory".

And I can't quite see the causal link between what Malkin is doing, and the hysterical claim being made by the poster or posters you cite.

1127 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:50am

re: #1108 midwestgak

Think California will legalize marijuana so it can be taxed? just askin'.

Federal drug laws trump state laws. It won't happen...*sigh* ;}

1128 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:00:51am

In Canada, German clients call their lawyers "Herr Doktor Doktor".
Kinda creepy, no?

1129 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:00am

re: #1074 jcm

It's not a conspiracy. The photo op over NYC was tone deaf, and classifying the images is plane stupid.

Agree on both points. However, classification of this sort of thing is almost certainly automatic, and declassification is an involved process that takes a fair amount of time and effort to achieve. I'd guess it's long-standing policy that has simply never come up before, let alone at the center of a publicity storm.

In similar fashion, all satellite imagery taken by US military satellites of Israel is classified and cannot be released to the public, regardless of location or resolution, without going through the declassification process. Stupid and pointless? Probably. But there it is, just waiting for the proper moment to be exploited by those seeking grand conspiracies lurking behind every government podium.

1130 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:08am

re: #1105 Irish Rose

I had some troll ask where was my comments on Obama's birth certificate, when discussing the Scare Force One flyby. I had to clearly state that I accept Hawaii's statements that he's a US citizen, and that I will not tolerate any comments to the contrary on my blog.

The idiots are out in full force, but then again, it's the Internet (as created by Al Gore). It's what the Internet is and does (in attracting the kooks and conspiracy minded).

1131 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:16am

re: #1103 CIA Reject

Can anybody account for Mr. Soros' whereabouts on that day?

I suspect Bill Ayer's doing a bombing run. /s

1132 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:35am

re: #1125 MandyManners

Maybe a sporious morel.

When the puns come out I wish I was on a laptop:

You guys would be a portabello humour machine! :P

1133 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:38am

re: #1128 Spare O'Lake

In Canada, German clients call their lawyers "Herr Doktor Doktor".
Kinda creepy, no?

"Doktor, Doktor, give me the news,
I've got a bad case of lawyer blues"

/apologies to whichever group that was

1134 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:40am

re: #1116 VegasRick

I do.

Hi Vegas. I do too. There used to be a "bar" of morality/common sense in this country under which some things could not pass.

1135 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:45am

re: #1109 VegasRick

Really? IT'S A FUCKING PICTURE OF A FUCKING PLANE YOU MORON!
oak. obamaasskisser.

Maybe WJC was using his personal portable bordello one last time.

1136 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:46am

re: #1121 avanti

Jimmy Hoffa, Osama, Waldo ? /

B.D. Cooper and Amelia!

1138 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:01:58am

re: #1120 MandyManners

I'd have no problem with that. Kinda' like a "bring your daughter to work" thing.

I had a scheduled hop in an F-15 once. Damn wing got sent off to some crisis before my date came up. Damn Rabbit Bait.

1139 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:02:04am

re: #1101 MandyManners

Oh, button it.

Enough of this shit I can't take it any more!

1140 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:02:23am

re: #1121 avanti

Jimmy Hoffa, Osama, Waldo ? /

Hoffa's buried in the Meadowlands, don't you know. /

Osama's living in splendor in Tora Bora (surrounded by daisies and poppies). He's got a horizontal view of 'em.

Who's waldo? /

1141 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:02:24am

re: #1133 vxbush

"Doktor, Doktor, give me the news,
I've got a bad case of lawyer blues"

/apologies to whichever group that was

Foreigner?

1142 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:02:53am

re: #1129 SixDegrees

Agree on both points. However, classification of this sort of thing is almost certainly automatic, and declassification is an involved process that takes a fair amount of time and effort to achieve. I'd guess it's long-standing policy that has simply never come up before, let alone at the center of a publicity storm.

In similar fashion, all satellite imagery taken by US military satellites of Israel is classified and cannot be released to the public, regardless of location or resolution, without going through the declassification process. Stupid and pointless? Probably. But there it is, just waiting for the proper moment to be exploited by those seeking grand conspiracies lurking behind every government podium.

The only problem with that scenario.

Is it was a publicity photo run.

1143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:02:55am

re: #1120 MandyManners

I'd have no problem with that. Kinda' like a "bring your daughter to work" thing.

Certain variants on that idea haven't been quite so successful.

1144 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:03:04am

re: #1124 jcm

Obama has a penchant for cover his tracks. This is true to form, something embarrassing, bury it.

They are PUBLICITY photos for cripes sakes. Not releasing the stupid images only fuels the speculation. It's not like it's a assembly photo for a W-88.

Just like not releasing his birth certificate, it's a mystery as to what he could gain./s

1145 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:03:21am

re: #1141 Creeping Eruption

Foreigner?

I can't remember. Sorry. Just that snippet of the song stuck around in a single neuron for that to come out.

1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:03:55am

re: #1138 jcm

I had a scheduled hop in an F-15 once. Damn wing got sent off to some crisis before my date came up. Damn Rabbit Bait.

I'd be happy just for a chance to wash one.

1147 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:04:03am

re: #1145 vxbush

I can't remember. Sorry. Just that snippet of the song stuck around in a single neuron for that to come out.

I Googled it. Robert Palmer.

1148 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:04:08am

re: #1066 VegasRick

Attorneys are called so many other things.

Old joke - spermatozoa.

To save anyone else from Googling:

Q. What's the difference between a lawyer and a spermatozoön?
A: The sperm cell has a tiny chance of becoming a human being.

1149 CIA Reject  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:04:34am

re: #1124 jcm

Obama has a penchant for cover his tracks. This is true to form, something embarrassing, bury it.

They are PUBLICITY photos for cripes sakes. Not releasing the stupid images only fuels the speculation. It's not like it's a assembly photo for a W-88.

Oh, those you can have- if you're Chinese ...

1150 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:04:39am

re: #1085 jcm
Hi jcm - I couldn't count the helmets cause I got a 403 forbidden message.
WTF is a 403 forbidden?

1151 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:04:52am

re: #1141 Creeping Eruption

Foreigner?

And just what does vbxbush's national origin have to do with anything, you bigot?!

/

1152 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:05:23am
1153 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:05:33am

re: #1141 Creeping Eruption

Foreigner?

You're Cold as Ice. It was Robert Palmer.

1154 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:06:01am

re: #1151 Occasional Reader

And just what does vbxbush's national origin have to do with anything, you bigot?!

/

Ssssh! Ix-nay on the origin-ay!

1155 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:06:05am

re: #1086 buzzsawmonkey

Clearly, one of the big Obama supporters in Hollywood needed contemporary pictures of New Yorkers fleeing in panic to insert in his upcoming release. He cashed in a campaign-contribution favor and rented AF1 to get the shots.

The reason Bloomberg didn't know about it in advance is that they only squared it with New York City's film liason office, which never minds about inconveniencing New Yorkers if it can accommodate the film industry.

You mean like having cars crash into restaurants?
(It was an accident.)

1156 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:06:07am

re: #1149 CIA Reject

Oh, those you can have- if you're Chinese ...

My guess would be under this administration you could obtain these if you are an enemy of Israel.

1157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:06:37am

re: #1150 realwest

Hi jcm - I couldn't count the helmets cause I got a 403 forbidden message.
WTF is a 403 forbidden?

Can't tell you - it's forbidden.

1158 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:06:55am

re: #1140 lawhawk

Hoffa's buried in the Meadowlands, don't you know. /

Osama's living in splendor in Tora Bora (surrounded by daisies and poppies). He's got a horizontal view of 'em.

Who's waldo? /

He bin laid down?

1159 Creeping Eruption  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:06:55am

re: #1153 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You're Cold as Ice. It was Robert Palmer.

You playin' head games with me?

1160 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #1099 Ward Cleaver
When you snooze you lose! See my #588! LOL!
How are things in the Cleaver household today?

1161 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:07:39am

re: #1129 SixDegrees

Agree on both points. However, classification of this sort of thing is almost certainly automatic, and declassification is an involved process that takes a fair amount of time and effort to achieve. I'd guess it's long-standing policy that has simply never come up before, let alone at the center of a publicity storm.

In similar fashion, all satellite imagery taken by US military satellites of Israel is classified and cannot be released to the public, regardless of location or resolution, without going through the declassification process. Stupid and pointless? Probably. But there it is, just waiting for the proper moment to be exploited by those seeking grand conspiracies lurking behind every government podium.

Classification is not automatic. These planes are routinely flown all over the country and land at airports everywhere. There are no restrictions on taking photos of these planes. They are photographed by literally thousands of people every year. Some people even get extremely close to take pics.

I just don't see where people are getting the "automatic classification" thing from. Maybe because it was a military plane taking the pictures?

1162 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:04am

re: #1159 Creeping Eruption

You playin' head games with me?

I'm just a dirty white boy

1163 Render  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:12am

Sorry been busy with the Chainsaws out on the road.

[Link: www.f-16.net...]

That's the only place to go if you need to know anything about the F-16.

PERIOD,
R

1164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:13am

re: #1138 jcm

I had a scheduled hop in an F-15 once. Damn wing got sent off to some crisis before my date came up. Damn Rabbit Bait.

Christmas leave in '62, I got a hop in a DC-3 from NAS Memphis to NAS Atlanta. We flew through a rainstorm.

/had two showers that day, not to mention a cleaner uniform

1165 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:13am

re: #1138 jcm

I had a scheduled hop in an F-15 once. Damn wing got sent off to some crisis before my date came up. Damn Rabbit Bait.

For a mere 15,000 Euros, you can make up for that loss by hopping a ride in an F-15ovich (MiG-29).

1166 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:31am

re: #1148 Throbert McGee

To save anyone else from Googling:

Q. What's the difference between a lawyer and a spermatozoön?
A: The sperm cell has a tiny chance of becoming a human being.

You got it!

1167 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:45am

re: #1098 MandyManners

It would be interesting to know if someone special was flying on the plane.

Someone who could be seen in the pictures? Maybe mooning NYC?
/

1168 tfc3rid  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:08:45am

re: #1105 Irish Rose

Irish Rose... A poster said it... Michelle did not say it... posters all over the web come in a lot of different varities. If they want to believe crazy, they can... Michelle in no way advocated a theory such as that one...

1170 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:09:01am
1171 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:09:20am

re: #1083 lawhawk

I'm aware that single seaters can be used for recon, but that's ground recon - where the cameras take photos of ground targets, and fire off the film (back in those days), by pressing a trigger mechanism in the cockpit).

That isn't likely the case here.

It still doesn't address why all of a sudden the photos are classified when the excuse was that it was to update the file photos that are meant for public consumption.

Has it occured to you that offical photos of military aircraft in general are almost always classified for approval by default, before they are declassified for public consumption? It's a rare thing when they aren't, in fact. It goes without saying that ANY photo of ANY aircraft that carries the POTUS is going to be classified automatically.

The photos will in all likelihood, be declassified after inspection and approval by the military and the FAA. It does very little good to shriek about the timeframe for a standard military procedure, and strut about making "demands".

You'll see the photographs when you see them... pretty much it.

1172 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:09:28am

re: #1099 Ward Cleaver

Arlen Specter gets slap upside the head from Dems:

New Democrat Specter Loses Committee Seniority
The Senate passed a resolution Tuesday night that made Sen. Arlen Specter the most junior Democrat on the committees on which he serves.

Guess everything's not so rosy after all, huh?

Just saw a news piece on the issue. Spector agreed to lose his seniority unless he is reelected in 2010, then he'll get it back.

1173 AuntAcid  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:09:59am

re: #1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd be happy just for a chance to wash one.

careful there. you can't wash just one...

1174 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:10:05am

re: #1152 buzzsawmonkey

Keeping people yammering about this distracts them from whatever the government is actually doing, and makes the critics look small-minded and detail-obsessed.

It's all part of Operation Cry-Wolf, the plan for keeping domestic opposition from forming effective alliances.

What's been going on since the flight? UAW. The attempt to run rough-shod over bankruptcy law. What else?

1175 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:10:12am

re: #1144 avanti

Just like not releasing his birth certificate, it's a mystery as to what he could gain./s

It's not his BC, Hawaii confirmed that. His Columbia transcripts, his law firm records, his legislative records, the delay in release CAC records.

1176 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:10:16am

re: #1172 avanti

Just saw a news piece on the issue. Spector agreed to lose his seniority unless he is reelected in 2010, then he'll get it back.

He agreed? Like he had a choice?

*garff*

1177 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd be happy just for a chance to wash one.

Amazing powerful pieces of machinery they are. I was working on NBC's MFTV movie "Asteroid" back in the 90's, and we were filming out at Buckley Air Force Base in Aurora Colorado.

It was a big evacuation scene, hundreds of extras getting off buses, checking in, and then moving across the tarmac to two idling C-130's, running into the belly of the planes through the ramps.

As part of the atmosphere, there were 3 helicopters flying over our heads and an occasional F-15 talking off on a runway in the background, about 300 feet from us.

It was a very noisy scene, and seriously, I had safety concerns with about 400 hundred people running around, and all that live machinery around us.

You can get away with a lot more safety issues on a non-union set.

But those F-15's were amazing. There was also two in the large hanger, but they were ropes off, we couldn't go up and touch them.

1178 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:10:31am

re: #1169 J.D.

via The Corner...

Gotta love it.
An expedition team which set sail from Plymouth on a 5,000-mile carbon emission-free trip to Greenland have been rescued by an oil tanker.

"Three cheers for life's little ironies", to quote a very old "Doonesbury".

1179 subsailor68  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:11:21am

re: #1169 J.D.

via The Corner...

Gotta love it.
An expedition team which set sail from Plymouth on a 5,000-mile carbon emission-free trip to Greenland have been rescued by an oil tanker.

Oil be damned! That's the very definition of "irony". Fun link!

1180 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:11:26am

re: #1165 Occasional Reader

here you can clearly see the rubberbands to control the flight surfaces...cool pic

[Link: www.flyfighterjet.com...]

1181 midwestgak  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:11:28am

re: #1170 taxfreekiller

Post them here for avanti to attempt to spin.

Like this?

1182 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:11:40am

re: #1117 MandyManners

How about reading Lawhawk's post on this subject. He's as far from a conspiracy nut as FCBBHO is a capitalist.

I did.
And I never suggested that he was.

1183 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:11:49am

re: #1172 avanti

Just saw a news piece on the issue. Spector agreed to lose his seniority unless he is reelected in 2010, then he'll get it back.

Not a chance.

1184 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:12:01am

re: #1180 albusteve

here you can clearly see the rubberbands to control the flight surfaces...cool pic

[Link: www.flyfighterjet.com...]

top right

1185 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:12:55am

Programming note:
That old fat white guy that calls European Soccer is on ESPN first take this morning.. I really like him..I was in Europe doing some work in 2004..and he called the world cup..Every hour he was on TV talking the World Cup..
He makes Dickie V look like he is on Downers..Dude is exciting..I found myself screaming at the TV..The Netherlands should kick Germany's ass..
Hey wait..I don't even like Soccer..How cool is this? I bought a complete Netherland's Soccer uniform while there...
Too much fun...

1187 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:13:34am

I guess I'm an unwelcome voice of reason on this thread, ah well.

Catch y'all later.

1188 VegasRick  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:13:53am

re: #1181 midwestgak

Post them here for avanti to attempt to spin.

Like this?

That works, oak (Avanti) will get to full spin here in a minute.

1189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:13:54am

re: #1184 albusteve

top right

I'd rather fly the Hawker Hunter in the Swiss Alps. Better scenery.

1190 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:14:04am

Speaking of conspiracy theories: What have they done with Charles?

[looking at watch]

1191 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:14:36am

re: #1083 lawhawk

I'm aware that single seaters can be used for recon, but that's ground recon - where the cameras take photos of ground targets, and fire off the film (back in those days), by pressing a trigger mechanism in the cockpit).

That isn't likely the case here.

It still doesn't address why all of a sudden the photos are classified when the excuse was that it was to update the file photos that are meant for public consumption.

My guess is that there's no "all of a sudden" about it, and that any such photos are automatically classified. It's much more typical to assign products to a high level of classification as they're created by a particular program than it is to classify them after the fact. Declassification, then, is what takes all the time and energy.

Speculative, on my part, but that's how the military normally handles such things.

Now, as CnC, Obama could streamline the declassification process enormously with the stroke of a pen. But seeing as how this has only erupted into scandal territory within the last day, I doubt he's been sufficiently briefed on the situation to make an informed decision on it. And I would hope that he would wait at least that long, anyway, before declassifying anything. It's the military that makes decisions on what to classify and why, so getting their brief on what's being protected is important. It may be 0's best interest to sign off on the release at this point, but getting excited over a "delay" is just silly. There hasn't been one worth mentioning yet.

1192 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:14:48am

re: #1185 HoosierHoops

Programming note:
That old fat white guy that calls European Soccer is on ESPN first take this morning.. I really like him..I was in Europe doing some work in 2004..and he called the world cup..Every hour he was on TV talking the World Cup..
He makes Dickie V look like he is on Downers..Dude is exciting..I found myself screaming at the TV..The Netherlands should kick Germany's ass..
Hey wait..I don't even like Soccer..How cool is this? I bought a complete Netherland's Soccer uniform while there...
Too much fun...

"Center passes to half... half to center... center is holding. Holding! HOLDING!"

1193 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:15:08am

re: #1187 Irish Rose

I guess I'm an unwelcome voice of reason on this thread

Anyone who disagrees with you is devoid of reason? Really?

1194 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:15:19am

re: #1187 Irish Rose

I guess I'm an unwelcome voice of reason on this thread, ah well.

Catch y'all later.

Why the PA snark? You just called a lot of people here unreasonable.

1195 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:15:35am

re: #1183 VegasRick

Rick, never say never.

I live in this State. The fact Murtha got re-elected should tell you something.

1196 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:15:41am

Okay, I have a new friend. Someone who realized that generating all these reports is a serious pain just gave me a big box of Lindt chocolates.

Any report he wants, he gets first in line. I take chocolate bribes!

1197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:15:43am

re: #1189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd rather fly the Hawker Hunter in the Swiss Alps. Better scenery.

Much cheaper than the MiG-29, too - only $6300.

1198 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:16:08am

re: #1193 Occasional Reader

Anyone who disagrees with you is devoid of reason? Really?

And, quite the martyr.

1199 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:16:56am

re: #1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd be happy just for a chance to wash one.

I got to sit in the forward cockpit. The plane was on electric power so all the systems were up, radar off don't want to cook the ground crew. The ejection seat was live. So close, strap in, release the brakes...

1200 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:17:02am

re: #1196 vxbush

Okay, I have a new friend. Someone who realized that generating all these reports is a serious pain just gave me a big box of Lindt chocolates.

Any report he wants, he gets first in line. I take chocolate bribes!

Smart man.

1201 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:17:22am

re: #1189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd rather fly the Hawker Hunter in the Swiss Alps. Better scenery.

Now the Generals rule in Chile
and the British have their thanks
For they rule with Hawker Hunters
and they rule with Chieftain tanks

-Some Brit commie doggerel I recall about the Pinochet coup

1202 Desert Dog  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:17:27am

re: #1195 formercorpsman

Rick, never say never.

I live in this State. The fact Murtha got re-elected should tell you something.

Too much lead in the water up there in PA?

1203 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:17:51am

Woohoo! I was No. 1200.

1204 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:08am
1205 lurking faith  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:08am

A physician, an engineer, and a lawyer were discussing who among them belonged to the oldest profession.

The physician said, "Remember, when was Adam was formed, God realized it was not good for man to be alone, so He caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and took a rib from Adam and fashioned it into a woman. That was obviously an operation, with anesthesia, taking place at the very beginning of human history. Therefore, medicine is the oldest profession."

The engineer replied, "Now, wait. Adam was created on the sixth day. But on the first day, God created the heavens and earth out of primeval chaos. Therefore, engineering takes place at the beginning of the earth's history and is clearly the oldest profession."

To which the lawyer said, "And just who do you think created the primeval chaos?"

1206 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #1171 Irish Rose

Has it occured to you that offical photos of military aircraft in general are almost always classified for approval by default, before they are declassified for public consumption? It's a rare thing when they aren't, in fact. It goes without saying that ANY photo of ANY aircraft that carries the POTUS is going to be classified automatically.

The photos will in all likelihood, be declassified after inspection and approval by the military and the FAA. It does very little good to shriek about the timeframe for a standard military procedure, and strut about making "demands".

You'll see the photographs when you see them... pretty much it.

The key to your statement is almost always. You highlighted the always part, but it's the modifier that is key. This isn't one of those times where you classify the photos, especially when you've sent NYC into a tizzy and people want to see what they are supposedly told was a photo-op mission.

Again, this goes to the judgment of those involved, on up to the WH. If Caldera was wrong (he apparently approved the mission), why wasn't he publicly disciplined or fired for the mess. People have been fired for much less.

The President can demand publication of those photos that were taken that are not a national security concern (showing too much of AF1's defensive measures, etc.)

I too await the release of those photos, but I get the sneaking suspicion that it will be along the lines of a Kerryesque hell-freeze-over period of time.

1207 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:29am

re: #1142 jcm

The only problem with that scenario.

Is it was a publicity photo run.

Doesn't matter. If the military was involved in taking the photos, or in any other way, they almost certainly wind up in the "classified" bin automatically, and are only declassified later, after a formal review. The review may be cursory, but it needs to happen nonetheless. That's just the way the military typically does things.

1208 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:51am

re: #1199 jcm

I got to sit in the forward cockpit. The plane was on electric power so all the systems were up, radar off don't want to cook the ground crew. The ejection seat was live. So close, strap in, release the brakes...

I only got to sit in an F-84F, but its tail was removed (half the fuselage) and the engine was out.
Except for the time I was at Open Cockpit day at the NE Air Museum; then I got to sit in several cockpits, including an F-4 and a Huey.

1209 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:52am

re: #1197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Much cheaper than the MiG-29, too - only $6300.

for 100$ I'd be happy with this old girl

Image: File:P51-d_mustang_472216_arp.jpg

1210 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:18:58am

re: #1152 buzzsawmonkey

Keeping people yammering about this distracts them from whatever the government is actually doing, and makes the critics look small-minded and detail-obsessed.

It's all part of Operation Cry-Wolf, the plan for keeping domestic opposition from forming effective alliances.

Bingo, better to let stories like this stay in the news, let the conspiracies build, then release a report debunking them with a patronizing grin.

1211 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:19:15am

re: #1145 vxbush
It was the Boxtops of "Gimme a Letter" fame.
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

1212 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:19:30am

re: #1209 albusteve

for 100$ I'd be happy with this old girl

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I was about to say that older women rock, then I clicked on the link :P

1213 Desert Dog  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:19:37am

re: #1207 SixDegrees

Doesn't matter. If the military was involved in taking the photos, or in any other way, they almost certainly wind up in the "classified" bin automatically, and are only declassified later, after a formal review. The review may be cursory, but it needs to happen nonetheless. That's just the way the military typically does things.

Or, they may be held (indefinitely) because releasing them would make Obama look even worse than he does now.

1214 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:19:52am

re: #1203 MandyManners

Woohoo! I was No. 1200.

That's 666x2-132!

What are you?

1215 Irish Rose  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #1198 MandyManners

And, quite the martyr.

Well gee Mandy, thanks a lot for that.

1216 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:20:55am

re: #1171 Irish Rose

Military photos of military aircraft are not classified by default. I would love for someone to tell me where that reg is. It does not exist. The photographs do in fact become the property of the US government, but they are not automatically classified.

People need to understand that the government actually encourages the public to photograph it's airplanes, ships, subs, etc. Heck when we went to Japan in 86 with the brand new F/A 18 Hornets, there were about 10,000 Japanese waiting with cameras at Atsugi for pictures. That was the latest and greatest plane in the world at the time, and the government was handing out pics with racks full of ordnance to anyone who asked for them.

Classification may have been the norm in the 1940s, but it ain't now.

1217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:04am

re: #1212 Mithrax

I was about to say that older women rock, then I clicked on the link :P

That would be the F9 Cougar jet.

1218 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:10am

re: #1171 Irish Rose


You'll see the photographs when you see them... pretty much it.

The clamor for the photos only began recently since it seems that the Administration is stonewalling every attempt at getting answers for what asinine group of people put this flyby fiasco into effect and who is going to get canned for this boneheaded stupidity. Since the WH is pretty much silent, it is making people more and more suspicious.

My question is not so much "Let's see the Photos," but more WTF happened to your processes that such a thing could happen in the first place and whose ass is grass?

1219 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:31am

The Chinese ships play another game of chicken with us

In what has become almost a routine cat-and-mouse game on the seas, four incidents have occurred in the past month in which Chinese-flagged fishing vessels maneuvered too close to two unarmed ships crewed by civilians and used by the Pentagon to do underwater surveillance and submarine hunting missions, two defense officials said.
1220 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:36am

re: #1169 J.D.
Hey {J.D.} ROTFLMAO!

1221 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:51am

Hello again Lizards. Can we still call this the LNDT?

1222 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:57am

re: #1209 albusteve

for 100$ I'd be happy with this old girl

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I've been up and twisted inside out in one of theses.

1223 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:21:59am

re: #1175 jcm

It's not his BC, Hawaii confirmed that. His Columbia transcripts, his law firm records, his legislative records, the delay in release CAC records.

Again, too late, he's the POTUS, most of the voters did not care when he was running, they care less now. Bring it all up again in 2012 if you like.

1224 Rancher  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:04am

I wonder if Warren Buffett is suffering from OBR, (Obama Buyers Remorse), now that Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder's are about to be fleeced. A Tax Attack on America’s Top Companies

1225 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:05am

re: #1204 buzzsawmonkey

Well, someone posted a link upthread to a Hentoff article about a new federal hate-crimes law that is sailing through. Then too, there's speculation regarding Souter's replacement, the administration positioning itself to put the hammerlock on Israel, and probably one or two other things.

Whether or not there is something current, though, is hardly the point; in fact, it's better for Operation Cry-Wolf that there not anything really big in the news just now. Let the anger ferment; let the cries for information metastasize. That will merely set up the people expending such energy on something which, though monumentally stupid, really doesn't amount to much, so that they look ready to reflexively jump on anything and worry it to death.

In other words, Operation Cry-Wolf lets the Administration sit back and let people shred their own credibility, and quarrel about a minor matter, so that when something big comes along in a week or two or three it will take critics a while to shift focus, and they will have made themselves look small and shrill in the meantime.

Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.

1226 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:09am

re: #1217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be the F9 Cougar jet.

Isn't that the one the Philippine air force is using to fight MILF?

1227 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:13am

re: #1212 Mithrax

I was about to say that older women rock, then I clicked on the link :P

she still rocks

1228 CommonCents  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:28am

re: #1174 MandyManners

What's been going on since the flight? UAW. The attempt to run rough-shod over bankruptcy law. What else?

Some guy called up some banks told them they need to raise more capital. The quickest way to do that is to convert his preferred shares into common stock (not sure how that actually creates capital but whatever) making him the largest shareholder and effectively "the boss".

1229 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:40am

re: #1199 jcm

The ejection seat was live...

Reach up, grab ring and pull, ...

/just a suggestion ... *now updating my life insurance policy*

1230 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #1221 Erik The Red

Hello again Lizards. Can we still call this the LNDT?

Last week on LOST... :)

1231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:16am

re: #1226 Mad Al-Jaffee

Isn't that the one the Philippine air force is using to fight MILF?

Cougars vs MILFs - sounds like a great VH1 reality show!

1232 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:30am

re: #1214 jcm

That's 666x2-132!

What are you?

Math-challenged.

1233 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:30am

re: #1217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be the F9 Cougar jet.

That aircraft was incredibly effective at attacking young, male ground troops.

1234 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:32am

re: #1196 vxbush

I'll admit to a little secret. I am the only male employee where I work.

As well, my wife's business is only women.

I disburse quite a bit a chocolate. The bags of mini candy bars, and not just one bag but at least 5 at a time.

The little gestures of gratitude go very far.

1235 Desert Dog  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:36am

re: #1219 Kosh's Shadow

The Chinese ships play another game of chicken with us

Chinese "Fishing" vessels, eh? Wonder what they are "fishing" for? Probably the same thing ours is...intel.

1236 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:51am

I think the main point is huffing and puffing about these photos is a distraction. While it's not a situation in which I'm pleased at all with the administration- the attention paid to it is keeping us off of a more important matter, which is keeping this country fiscally stable and able to thrive. Fight socialism, not snapshots.

1237 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:23:58am

re: #1202 Desert Dog

Could be.

1238 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:24:03am
1239 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #1230 Walter L. Newton

Last week on LOST... :)

Hey Walter. I have not been around a lot lately. I picked up that you were going for some tests. I hope all is good!

1240 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:24:14am

It's beginning to look like Arlen Specter is getting his just desserts.

Byron York reports that Senate Democrats are stripping Arlen Specter of his seniority, so that he will be treated as the most junior of Senators. York's source takes this as evidence that the Democrats weren't courting Specter and may have been surprised by his sudden switch.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

1241 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:24:26am

re: #1190 Occasional Reader

Speaking of conspiracy theories: What have they done with Charles?

[looking at watch]

He's been kidnapped, and is on AF 1 on the way to GITMO.

1242 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:24:45am

re: #1215 Irish Rose

Well gee Mandy, thanks a lot for that.

You're the one who took a massive swipe at many here, and did it in a PA and snarky manner with quite the martyr tone.

1243 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:05am

And now, thanks to Obama, I'm hungry for a hamburger.

1244 Desert Dog  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:12am

re: #1241 avanti

He's been kidnapped, and is on AF 1 on the way to GITMO.

But first, they will buzz Ground Zero again. The last batch of pictures came out bad.

1245 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:32am

And Obama is worrying our Arab "allies", not just Israel

Washington's efforts to start a dialogue with Iran have sent ripples of alarm through the capitals of America's closest Arab allies, who accuse Teheran of playing a destabilizing role in the Middle East.

The concerns being raised by Arab leaders sound strikingly like those coming from the mouths of Israeli officials.


Also

The London-based Palestinian daily, Al-Quds Al-Arabi even said the Arab moderates governments were actively working on building an alliance with Israel to counter Iranian influence in the region.


So the US has been threatening Israel with "losing Arab support" for action against Iran, but this makes me think that the Arabs might not care whether there is peace with the Paliterrorists or not, if they don't have to deal with a nuclear Iran. Maybe the pressure for a "two state solution" is really coming from the US, not the Arabs.

1246 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:41am

re: #1239 Erik The Red

Hey Walter. I have not been around a lot lately. I picked up that you were going for some tests. I hope all is good!

Just an echocardiogram, routine, yesterday, tech didn't say she saw anything to worry about, doc will give me results in a week or two, or never, if there is nothing to discuss.

1247 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #1220 realwest

Hey {J.D.} ROTFLMAO!

{real}
I know!
Is that not the funniest?

1248 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #1228 CommonCents

Some guy called up some banks told them they need to raise more capital. The quickest way to do that is to convert his preferred shares into common stock (not sure how that actually creates capital but whatever) making him the largest shareholder and effectively "the boss".

FCBBHO?

1249 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #1229 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

I have a GREAT one for Walter...

1250 albusteve  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #1222 jcm

I've been up and twisted inside out in one of theses.

omgosh!...open cockpit!

a friend of mine has a Stearman looks about like this, she's taken me up a coupla times

[Link: www.airplane-pictures.net...]

1251 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:02am

re: #1224 Rancher

I wonder if Warren Buffett is suffering from OBR, (Obama Buyers Remorse), now that Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder's are about to be fleeced. A Tax Attack on America’s Top Companies

What surprises me is that someone as astute as Warren Buffett could not see that coming.

1252 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:13am

re: #1241 avanti

He's been kidnapped, and is on AF 1 on the way to GITMO.

I hope he brought his own sandwich. (I have it on good authority that the food on AF1 is disappointing, at least the non-POTUS food.)

1253 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:36am

re: #1246 Walter L. Newton

Oh, goody, you're here!

1254 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:38am

re: #1246 Walter L. Newton

Just an echocardiogram, routine, yesterday, tech didn't say she saw anything to worry about, doc will give me results in a week or two, or never, if there is nothing to discuss.

Good to hear.

1255 CIA Reject  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:43am

re: #1243 Occasional Reader

And now, thanks to Obama, I'm hungry for a hamburger.

See? See? Raising everybody's cholesterol to push his socialized medicine plans- I knew it! The plot thickens!

///

1256 CommonCents  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:45am

re: #1241 avanti

He's been kidnapped, and is on AF 1 on the way to GITMO.

Or someone hijacked his IP and phoned in a bomb threat.
16 Year Old N.C. kid taken into custody

1257 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:49am

re: #1231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Cougars vs MILFs - sounds like a great VH1 reality show!

I really wonder about that cougar woman. Who on earth needs a reality show to get laid?

1258 Desert Dog  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:26:57am

re: #1246 Walter L. Newton

Just an echocardiogram, routine, yesterday, tech didn't say she saw anything to worry about, doc will give me results in a week or two, or never, if there is nothing to discuss.

If you do not get that quick call a day after, you'll be fine. It's when they call you right back and ask you come in asap is when you have to start thinking...Glad everything seems good. You have to take care of that ticker.

1259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:27:02am

re: #1233 Occasional Reader

That aircraft was incredibly effective at attacking young, male ground troops.

Of course, once you marry them, they turn into screaming Banshees.

1260 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:27:41am

re: #1238 buzzsawmonkey

I could, of course, be wrong. But I don't think so; it's the application of campaign tactics applied to ensuring opacity in government and a continually-fragmented opposition.

Has Rove met his match in Rahm?

1261 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:27:56am

re: #1161 JohnnyReb

Classification is not automatic. These planes are routinely flown all over the country and land at airports everywhere. There are no restrictions on taking photos of these planes. They are photographed by literally thousands of people every year. Some people even get extremely close to take pics.

I just don't see where people are getting the "automatic classification" thing from. Maybe because it was a military plane taking the pictures?

Yes, it's perfectly legal for ordinary citizens to photograph the planes. That is not how classification works, however. The US doesn't have anything like an Official Secrets Act. Instead, people working on programs where classified material is generated or handled sign binding agreements that subject them to harsh prosecution if they violate them. This is common in the military. Since the military was in charge of the operation, it wouldn't be at all surprising to learn that anything involving the Presidential aircraft would automatically get dumped into the "classified" hopper.

As already noted, any satellite imagery produced by US military satellites of Israel is classified. A few years ago, Congress attempted to extend this restriction to private satellite firms; as far as I know, that effort didn't succeed. But it's an example of just the sort of automatic classification that is routine in the military. Everything produced under a particular program begins life as a classified product by default, and is only downgraded from there through a formal review process - or occasionally through some wholesale action, such as the expiration of classification term (rare, at least in the US) or through Executive Order, typically involving an entire program or program segment.

1262 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:28:01am

re: #1257 MandyManners

I really wonder about that cougar woman. Who on earth needs a reality show to get laid?

Lol. For some of us, that's the ONLY option :P

1263 lawhawk  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:28:12am

re: #1225 MandyManners

Or, you can have the President eat a burger with VP Biden, and get more news coverage than a NASA rocket launch.

/hey look... shiny thing... /

1264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:28:13am

re: #1257 MandyManners

I really wonder about that cougar woman. Who on earth needs a reality show to get laid?

It couldn't hurt my chances.

1265 CommonCents  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #1248 MandyManners

FCBBHO?

That's the one.

1266 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:28:37am

re: #1253 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, goody, you're here!

LOL. Thanks. But Maisey the PArrot is right behind me in her cage, just waiting for me to click on a YouTube video or something, she loves the music videos.

1267 jcm  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #1223 avanti

Again, too late, he's the POTUS, most of the voters did not care when he was running, they care less now. Bring it all up again in 2012 if you like.

No it goes to his patterns.

Have an Oh Shit? We'll investigate and bury the pics.

He's a con artist, a flim flam man, look at the shiny coin in my right hand while the left picks your pocket.

1268 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:29:06am

re: #1259 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, once you marry them, they turn into screaming Banshees.

It's enough to drive a guy to becoming a... well, you know.

Off to lunch... then lots of work this afternoon. Later... probably, "much".

1269 Desert Dog  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:29:12am

re: #1260 MandyManners

Has Rove met his match in Rahm?

As dirty, mean and sinister as the lefties make Rove out to be, he is still a rank amateur to the little Machiavelli's the left has produced.

1270 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:29:23am
1271 MandyManners  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:29:25am

Gotta' call the pediatrician to get The Kid's Adderall pills switched to capsules so that he will take his freaking meds. bbiab

1272 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:29:29am

re: #1210 avanti

Bingo, better to let stories like this stay in the news, let the conspiracies build, then release a report debunking them with a patronizing grin.

I disagree. The longer they fester, the less likely it is for people to buy into ANY explanation. It's a loss of credibility and an increase of mis(dis)trust. I think it's a boneheaded move by the Administration to obfuscate over this.

1273 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:29:37am

re: #1253 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, goody, you're here!

That picture reminds me of my 4.5 lb poodle that likes to climb onto my shoulder. I keep telling him that a poodle on the shoulder just doesn't work for a pirate, but he does it anyway.

1274 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:30:03am

re: #1249 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

I have a GREAT one for Walter...

Aha! Goddess is on her lunch break!
MWAH!

1275 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:30:24am

re: #1224 Rancher

I wonder if Warren Buffett is suffering from OBR, (Obama Buyers Remorse), now that Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder's are about to be fleeced. A Tax Attack on America’s Top Companies

...Obama, who lacks business experience, seems to imagine that the only reason U.S.-based multinationals have offshore operations is to achieve tax savings. Actually, a company is in a better position to compete with local firms if it has an operation close to its market, compared with a U.S. firm that ships its goods thousands of miles away. An offshore operation is more likely to understand local market conditions, tastes, and trends. Obama’s double taxation would provide perverse incentives for U.S.-based companies to give up knowledge, relationships, and other advantages they spent years developing firsthand in world markets. ...


Even if he doesn't know much, isn't he supposed to have at least a couple of people around who do?

1276 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:30:27am

All this talk of older women & airplanes has inspired me to hang out at the local hobby shop & try to pick up single moms. BBIAW

1277 VioletTiger  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:31:04am

re: #1224 Rancher

I wonder if Warren Buffett is suffering from OBR, (Obama Buyers Remorse), now that Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder's are about to be fleeced. A Tax Attack on America’s Top Companies


So ill-advised. Of course, none of those companies will pass the tax on to the consumer. And sorry about the lose of jobs and your 401Ks. It's redistribution time.

1278 Mithrax  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:31:26am

re: #1276 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

All this talk of older women & airplanes has inspired me to hang out at the local hobby shop & try to pick up single moms. BBIAW

Hobby shops? Man. I was at the comic book shops. Thanks for the tip! :P

1279 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:31:34am
1280 lurking faith  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:31:41am

re: #1234 formercorpsman

Everybody likes to feel appreciated.

1281 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:32:07am

re: #1206 lawhawk

The key to your statement is almost always. You highlighted the always part, but it's the modifier that is key. This isn't one of those times where you classify the photos, especially when you've sent NYC into a tizzy and people want to see what they are supposedly told was a photo-op mission.

Again, this goes to the judgment of those involved, on up to the WH. If Caldera was wrong (he apparently approved the mission), why wasn't he publicly disciplined or fired for the mess. People have been fired for much less.

The President can demand publication of those photos that were taken that are not a national security concern (showing too much of AF1's defensive measures, etc.)

I too await the release of those photos, but I get the sneaking suspicion that it will be along the lines of a Kerryesque hell-freeze-over period of time.

It's impossible to say what sort of classification guidelines such photos are subject to without knowing the details of the particular program or programs involved. The venue of the mission has nothing to do with it; automatic classification is routine in the military.

I'm content, at the moment, to wait for any declassification process to unwind itself. Unfortunately, the publicity being generated will probably slow the process down - those doing the review are now going to be on pins and needles, and will want to ensure that absolutely nothing sensitive is released. But still, a month or so of lag isn't going to bother me.

If it drags on much beyond that, there may be something worth looking into. But right now, I'm not seeing anything unusual. Just boneheaded from the get-go in not making the flyover public before it took place.

1282 CommonCents  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:32:29am

re: #1275 J.D.

Even if he doesn't know much, isn't he supposed to have at least a couple of people around who do?

Not when they all come from the same school of thought.

1283 Sharmuta  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:32:48am

It's still morning and I already need some Mozart.

1284 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:33:01am
1285 Erik The Red  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:33:28am

I wonder if Charles and my good friends Jack or Johnny got to know each other last night?

1286 subsailor68  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:33:47am

re: #1282 CommonCents

Not when they all come from the same school of thought.

Exactly! Just like Roosevelt's "Brains Trust" in the early 1930's. And we know how that turned out.

1287 vxbush  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #1234 formercorpsman

I'll admit to a little secret. I am the only male employee where I work.

As well, my wife's business is only women.

I disburse quite a bit a chocolate. The bags of mini candy bars, and not just one bag but at least 5 at a time.

The little gestures of gratitude go very far.

You are a smart man. And you should give lessons to the other males in society.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier; work is coming in spurts today.

1288 realwest  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:34:22am

Well it's been great y'all and the weather permitting, I hope to see you all down the road!
Have a great day!

1289 J.D.  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:34:25am

re: #1282 CommonCents

Not when they all come from the same school of thought.

I'm just talkin'... theoretically...

1290 aggieann  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:34:29am

re: #1272 Russkilitlover

I disagree. The longer they fester, the less likely it is for people to buy into ANY explanation. It's a loss of credibility and an increase of mis(dis)trust. I think it's a boneheaded move by the Administration to obfuscate over this.

On the other hand, the longer they fester and the more that aggregate, the less power and--more importantly, will--common citizens have to find the truth and do what they can to prevent future such incidents.

1291 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:34:32am

re: #1257 MandyManners

I really wonder about that cougar woman. Who on earth needs a reality show to get laid?

Judging by the number of those type of reality shows, and the crop of guys on that particular show quite a few people do.

1292 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:34:53am

re: #1274 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Aha! Goddess is on her lunch break!
MWAH!

LOL!
An oldie but goodie...
I took half a personal day--I'm home. I can't access LGF from school. I'm treating myself to some pampering this afternoon.

1293 formercorpsman  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:35:50am

re: #1284 buzzsawmonkey

My friend, I have no idea what you are talking about. But I will assume it is brilliant wit nonetheless.

I also notice my many typos as of late.

1294 JohnnyReb  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:37:26am

re: #1261 SixDegrees

re: #1261 SixDegrees


That is not how it works. Photographs of military airplanes are not automatically classified. Did 22+ active and almost 10 as a civilian and I have never ever seen pictures of any plane automatically classified. Heck the JO's would run down to our hangars when they needed a fluff piece to fill in a news article for an off base paper, snap some photos and send them off immediately to the local newspaper. There is not some clandestine bunch of people poring over every official military photograph in some dark room someplace.

The only time is when some piece of gear or ordnance on that particular plane is itself restricted or classified. And the unit makes darn sure there are no cameras around to take pictures then. And they sure don't use that sort of gear to do a flyby of NYC in broad daylight.

People need to get off the it's automatically classified horse because it ain't working.

1295 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #1218 Russkilitlover

The clamor for the photos only began recently since it seems that the Administration is stonewalling every attempt at getting answers for what asinine group of people put this flyby fiasco into effect and who is going to get canned for this boneheaded stupidity. Since the WH is pretty much silent, it is making people more and more suspicious.

My question is not so much "Let's see the Photos," but more WTF happened to your processes that such a thing could happen in the first place and whose ass is grass?

That, indeed, is the more important question. The phrase "Monumental Stupidity" comes to mind when thinking about allowing a low-flying 747 pursued by a fighter jet to fly directly over Manhattan, of all places, without notifying the public in advance.

1296 soxfan4life  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:37:44am

re: #1263 lawhawk

Or, you can have the President eat a burger with VP Biden, and get more news coverage than a NASA rocket launch.

/hey look... shiny thing... /


The thing that scares me the most about 0bama and Biden together is one accident or 1 tainted meat patty away from President Nancy Pelosi.

1297 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:38:59am

re: #1241 avanti

He's been kidnapped, and is on AF 1 on the way to GITMO.

Hey look everybody! avanti made a joke!

1298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:39:44am

re: #1273 Kosh's Shadow

That picture reminds me of my 4.5 lb poodle that likes to climb onto my shoulder. I keep telling him that a poodle on the shoulder just doesn't work for a pirate, but he does it anyway.

You're too uptight about perfection. Cutlass and have some fun.

1299 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #1257 MandyManners

I really wonder about that cougar woman. Who on earth needs a reality show to get laid?

...but a reality show as a substitute to getting laid?

1300 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:41:17am

re: #1283 Sharmuta

It's still morning and I already need some Mozart.

Better yet, have some Mozart Balls!

1301 lurking faith  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:42:36am

re: #1278 Mithrax

Hobby shops? Man. I was at the comic book shops. Thanks for the tip! :P

lol

Back in the day, I used to get eyed sidelong whenever I browsed the shelves in the comics shop. "Dude! It's a girl!" Sometimes the eyeing turned into open stares, depending on what I picked out to buy.

1302 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:43:44am

re: #1292 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!
An oldie but goodie...
I took half a personal day--I'm home. I can't access LGF from school. I'm treating myself to some pampering this afternoon.

C'mon over! We'll pamper you!

1303 SixDegrees  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:45:46am

re: #1294 JohnnyReb

re: #1261 SixDegrees

That is not how it works. Photographs of military airplanes are not automatically classified. Did 22+ active and almost 10 as a civilian and I have never ever seen pictures of any plane automatically classified. Heck the JO's would run down to our hangars when they needed a fluff piece to fill in a news article for an off base paper, snap some photos and send them off immediately to the local newspaper. There is not some clandestine bunch of people poring over every official military photograph in some dark room someplace.

The only time is when some piece of gear or ordnance on that particular plane is itself restricted or classified. And the unit makes darn sure there are no cameras around to take pictures then. And they sure don't use that sort of gear to do a flyby of NYC in broad daylight.

People need to get off the it's automatically classified horse because it ain't working.

I've already said that photos of military aircraft are not classified in and of themselves. The US doesn't have anything like Britain's Official Secrets Act, which permits prosecution of civilians who release classified information. However, work products generated by civilians and by military personnel working under a classified program are typically automatically classified by default. This is especially common on a whole raft of military programs. In a sense, you're right - there's no smoke-filled room filled with analysts inspecting every photo taken. There doesn't need to be - they're classified to begin with, and are only examined for security purposes when a declassification request is made. Classification after release in unclassified format is self-defeating; retroactive prosecution isn't allowed under US law, and once such information is out, it's out.

That may not be the case here; it's possible that whatever program the photos were generated by doesn't operate under such clauses. It's just so common in the military that it's the most likely explanation for why these photos are listed as classified.

1304 SFGoth  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:48:54am

re: #1301 lurking faith

lol

Back in the day, I used to get eyed sidelong whenever I browsed the shelves in the comics shop. "Dude! It's a girl!" Sometimes the eyeing turned into open stares, depending on what I picked out to buy.

Holly Hobby? ;->
In a bit of role reversal, there are plenty of girls in the S.F. goth scene who are totally into comics, gaming and game design, anime, action movies, etc., whereas I don't read comics, have never even seen an episode of Firefly, my game is craps, and I actually watch period movies (except Regency, which is just plain ugly).

1305 abolitionist  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:51:26am

re: #928 avanti

BHO is smart enough to know you get in more trouble with a cover up, then the actual screw up. I can think of no reason he would have even known about the flight, and if he did, and lied, it would come out in the end.

You quite the optimist.

"I considered myself partly an anarchist then, and I consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean I'm as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist ...which is to say I find a lot of the ideas in anarchism appealing." -- Ayers, 2002

"Hate it. Want me to elaborate the point? Down with capitalism." -- Ayers, 2006

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who is a professor of English in Chicago, who I know, and who I have not received some official endorsement from; he's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. ...detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old... So this kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, is somehow ..somehow their ideas could be attributed to me, I think the American people are smarter than that." -- BHO, 2008

1306 avanti  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #1297 Kenneth

Hey look everybody! avanti made a joke!

Hell, that's nothing, I got a giggle out of Walter last night.

1307 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:55:42am

re: #1268 Occasional Reader

It's enough to drive a guy to becoming a... well, you know.

LOL!

(Note that "Fagot" was the NATO name for the MiG-15, not the official Soviet codename. Also, while it means "bundle of sticks" in English, in various other European languages -- including Russian -- it's the word for "bassoon.")

1308 [deleted]  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:56:05am
1309 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:02:46am

re: #1298 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're too uptight about perfection. Cutlass and have some fun.

Arrr! Shiver me timbers!

1310 lurking faith  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:13:06am

re: #1304 SFGoth

Holly Hobby? ;->

Yeah, that's a perennial best-seller in comics shops!

In a bit of role reversal, there are plenty of girls in the S.F. goth scene who are totally into comics, gaming and game design, anime, action movies, etc., whereas I don't read comics, have never even seen an episode of Firefly, my game is craps, and I actually watch period movies (except Regency, which is just plain ugly).

Ah, the proud comics/gaming rebels. No, that's not me.

I grew up reading a weird mixture of stuff. We had frequent family excursions to the library, and I would usually read every book any of us checked out, so I was simultaneously reading Oz books, Paddington Bear, mythology, mysteries, science fiction, fantasy, thrillers, historical novels, history, poetry... you name it.

So once I was introduced to well-written comics, it never occurred to me to avoid them because I was a girl.

I don't care for anime, though (or, rather, I find the art so off-putting that I haven't even tried reading any of it).

1311 Kenneth  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:13:31am

re: #1306 avanti

Hell, that's nothing, I got a giggle out of Walter last night.

Too much information, dude.

1312 SFGoth  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #1307 Throbert McGee

LOL!

(Note that "Fagot" was the NATO name for the MiG-15, not the official Soviet codename. Also, while it means "bundle of sticks" in English, in various other European languages -- including Russian -- it's the word for "bassoon.")

Fagot and faggot are two different words.

1313 1SG(ret)  Wed, May 6, 2009 11:03:21am

re: #1171 Irish Rose

Too bad we can't get the MSM to follow that approach when reporting on our troops in the war zone. But hey, they will be Vets at some point, so we need to know thier wherabouts and what they are doing.

//just a little

1314 idioma  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:14:08pm

re: #518 SixDegrees

As I've said many times here, the religious right is no different from the Taliban in terms of their goals.

I've said the same thing, too. I've pretty much gotten used to ignoring the downdings and just say what I really think.

That First Amendment is a really duesy!

1315 idioma  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:17:45pm

re: #534 right_wing2

With the exception of extreme nutcases like Fred Phelps, I don't think the right wants to 'persecute' gays or put women into narrow roles.

At the same time, I don't think they want to 'celebrate' and proclaim as normal/healthy/admirable homosexuality.

On the abortion issue, what the Republican party needs to do, IMHO is not to support abortion with no restrictions, but also not to oppose it in every case. Neither the 'no restrictions' view nor the 'no abortions' view holds majority support. Let's go with some restrictions like 'until viable' or 'in cases of rape/incest'. Yes, the party'll lose some of the extreme elements on the 'no abortions' side, but you can't have everything you want in any party.

Could you please clear up a contradiction? Pro-life sees their mission as being the opposition to what they view as the killing of innocent life. If a woman is raped, is the fetus somehow less innocent than one that is merely unplanned/unwanted?

1316 Smorgasbord  Wed, May 6, 2009 11:42:53pm

My life and Ziggy's are parallel. He once said "Anyone who believes history doesn't repeat itself hasn't read my diary." We take turns putting in entries since his life and mine are Identical.


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