Palestinians Prevented from Propagandizing Pope

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Leave it to the Palestinians to try to turn a visit from Pope Benedict into a propaganda show: IDF bans Palestinians from hosting pope next to West Bank fence.

A Palestinian official says the Palestinian Authority has scrapped plans to host Pope Benedict XVI next week on a stage near the West Bank separation fence.

Palestinian say they had hoped that receiving the pope next to a towering cement wall and military watchtower inside the Aida refugee camp would highlight their suffering under Israeli occupation.

But Palestinian lawmaker Essa Qaraqie said Thursday that the location had been changed to a United Nations school after Israeli military officials forbade them to erect the stage near the barrier. The pope’s convoy will, however, still pass close to the barrier.

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246 comments
1 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:14:55am

They're still using the visit for propaganda, though.

Will he be given another keffiyah? Will he wear it?

Funny how the Muslim Palis are making the Christian Palis very uncomfortable, enough to leave.

2 VegasRick  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:14:59am

I hope the Pope has LOTS of security with him.

3 Cognito  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:15:00am

No offense to any pro-papists, but what's the Pope's problem? He's a big boy. He should be able to reject this mess on his own. Or is there something between the lines that I'm not reading?

4 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:15:05am

The palis respect nothing and no one.

5 gmsc  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:15:10am

Palestinians perplexed by prevention of papal pow-wow

6 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:15:11am

And why was the barrier put in place in the first place? Oh yeah, because of suicide bombers and terrorist threats against Israel. Israel protects itself from terrorists, and they're the bad guys?

The barrier's there because the terrorists have never given up the hope of attacking and killing Israelis. They're just biding their time until they resume the kassam and mortar attacks. Until then, we'll get a dog and pony show, and kudos to the Pope and the IDF for not falling for the Palestinian agitprop parade.

7 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:15:57am

Its been said a million times that they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

8 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:16:01am

And the surprise is what here?

9 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:16:12am

re: #4 _RememberTonyC

The palis respect nothing and no one.

Not even themselves

10 debutaunt  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:16:21am

An attempted pope and pony show.

11 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:16:41am
12 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:04am

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

They're still using the visit for propaganda, though.

Will he be given another keffiyah? Will he wear it?

Funny how the Muslim Palis are making the Christian Palis very uncomfortable, enough to leave.

Yeah, burning churches and killing people will do that.

13 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #11 Iron Fist

I think he was a Turk.

14 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:11am

re: #11 Iron Fist

Wasn't the guy who shot John Paul II a Palestinian?

No, IIRC, he was a Turk.

15 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:18am

re: #11 Iron Fist

Wasn't the guy who shot John Paul II a Palestinian?

A Turk

16 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:36am

re: #11 Iron Fist

Wasn't the guy who shot John Paul II a Palestinian?

I thought he was a Turk, working for the KGB.

17 harrylook  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:50am

Are the "Palestinians" good at anything other than propanda? And they're good at it. Never has such a debased culture of hate and violence been so pititied by well-meaning people the world over. Revolting.

18 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:17:57am

re: #11 Iron Fist

Wasn't the guy who shot John Paul II a Palestinian?

From Turkey I think

19 Cognito  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:01am

re: #11 Iron Fist

Wasn't the guy who shot John Paul II a Palestinian?

Turkish, with some Palestinian links.

20 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:06am

re: #9 Creeping Eruption

Not even themselves


very true .... and they are too stupid to realize how they are used by the arab/muslim world ONLY for propaganda purposes. nobody in the arab/muslim world really CARES about them.

21 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:23am

Pope No Dope, Sez Nope to Pali Hope.

22 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:32am

The Palestinian Authority has been paying salaries for years to the scumbuckets who pissed and shat all over the Church of the Nativity

23 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:36am

"We can't get into Israel to blow people up. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

24 Altermite  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:45am

re: #20 _RememberTonyC

very true .... and they are too stupid to realize how they are used by the arab/muslim world ONLY for propaganda purposes. nobody in the arab/muslim world really CARES about them.

Alternatively, they know this, which would make them even crazier.

25 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:18:50am

It seems we Lizards are up on current events. And "Turkey" is the answer for $100.

26 debutaunt  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:19:47am

re: #25 Nevergiveup

It seems we Lizards are up on current events. And "Turkey" is the answer for $100.

'What is Turkey?'

27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:19:49am

re: #25 Nevergiveup

It seems we Lizards are up on current events. And "Turkey" is the answer for $100.

I'll take "Things you eat at Thanksgiving", Alec.

28 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:19:57am

One or two of Daniel Silva's novels (fairly recent ones) deal with Islamic terrorist attacks on the Vatican.

29 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:19:57am

re: #25 Nevergiveup

It seems we Lizards are up on current events. And "Turkey" is the answer for $100.

Current? Is Reagan still president? YAY!

/he's not? damn.

30 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #27 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'll take "Things you eat at Thanksgiving", Alec.

BURP!

31 Ben Hur  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:21:52am

Their whole existence is propoganda.

The "I have a dream, too" placards are neatly tucked away until G-d's real rep on earth returns for a summit.

32 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:22:03am

Vlaams Belang tool Andrew Bostom attacks Bruce Bawer today at his cruddy blog. No link from me, Google if you want to see it. What a creep.

33 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:22:36am

The answer is Turkey.

What is things that make NATO and the EU go burp?
What is the country with which Israel has close ties militarily?
What is the country that still refuses to accept its complicity in the Armenian genocide?

/thanks Alex

34 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:22:58am

re: #11 Iron Fist

No, that was the guy who shot RFK.

35 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:23:05am

re: #32 Charles

Vlaams Belang tool Andrew Bostom attacks Bruce Bawer today at his cruddy blog. No link from me, Google if you want to see it. What a creep.

Ick.

36 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:23:07am

Extra points for alliteration!

;^)

37 BRUTUS  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:23:07am
"It's the same pope who apologized to the Jews about the Holocaust and now comes to the region but says nothing about the Palestinian nakba (catastrophe)," he said.

I am getting tired of this equation.

38 Mithrax  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:23:13am

Sorry to go OT, but the budget plan is out:
Whats a few trillions between friends?

What I noticed about the article: it talks about cutting a few billion....but not enough really of the actual SIZE of the freakin budget.

39 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:23:25am

re: #34 laZardo

No, that was the guy who shot RFK.

Yes, he's a Pali (Sirhan Sirhan).

40 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:23:43am

re: #32 Charles

Vlaams Belang tool Andrew Bostom attacks Bruce Bawer today at his cruddy blog. No link from me, Google if you want to see it. What a creep.

Like I thought. It's only a matter of time until we see them attacking Bawer for his article yesterday.

41 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #32 Charles

Vlaams Belang tool Andrew Bostom attacks Bruce Bawer today at his cruddy blog. No link from me, Google if you want to see it. What a creep.

The hatred for gays is starting to come out of these people.

42 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:09am

re: #37 BRUTUS

I am getting tired of this equation.

Somebody call the Red Crescent waaaaaaambulance!

43 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:10am

A bit OT, but now that I have this line, I just need to complete the rest of the song:

Bye, bye miss Arabian pie
Drove my Chevy to the levy and I blew it sky-high

44 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:17am

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

Yes, he's a Pali (Sirhan Sirhan).

And in other news, Sirhan Sirhan was was denied denied parole parole.

45 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:33am

re: #33 lawhawk

The answer is Turkey.

What is things that make NATO and the EU go burp?
What is the country with which Israel has close ties militarily?
What is the country that still refuses to accept its complicity in the Armenian genocide?

/thanks Alex

The answer is Turkey.

What is things that make NATO and the EU go burp?
What is the country with which Israel HAD close ties militarily?
What is the country that still refuses to accept its complicity in the Armenian genocide?

/thanks Alex

Fix it, taking into account probable future events

46 harrylook  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:39am

Congrats to beer drinking victory monkey for understanding what I wrote up there. LOL. Time for lunch, I guess - can't spell anything.

47 Altermite  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:55am

Thought this was interesting:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1896588,00.html

48 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:58am

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

Yes, he's a Pali (Sirhan Sirhan).

Weird guy, to say the least. He's claimed to be a muslim, Christian, & who knows what else since the assassination.

49 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:00am

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

And in other news, Sirhan Sirhan was was denied denied parole parole.

Bummer bummer.

/not not

50 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:03am

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

Yes, he's a Pali (Sirhan Sirhan).

He didn't get far. They wrapped him up quick

51 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:15am

re: #42 Ward Cleaver

Somebody call the Red Crescent waaaaaaambulance!

I thought those were used to carry terrorists and weapons.

52 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:29am

re: #43 Kosh's Shadow

A bit OT, but now that I have this line, I just need to complete the rest of the song:

Bye, bye miss Arabian pie
Drove my Chevy to the levy and I blew it sky-high

Those good ole boys aren't drinking whiskey or rye...

53 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:46am

re: #34 laZardo

No, that was the guy who shot RFK.

Well Sirhan was/is Jordanian/Palestinian? Lets go to the dictionary.

54 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #43 Kosh's Shadow

And cue the crowds, with those tears in their eyes,
Moanin' "This was where an innocent died... This was where an innocent died..."

55 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:25:52am

re: #3 Cognito

No offense to any pro-papists, but what's the Pope's problem? He's a big boy. He should be able to reject this mess on his own. Or is there something between the lines that I'm not reading?

I think he's trying to serve what remains of his constituency there, the dwindling numbers of Palestinian Catholics.

The leftards would have you believe they're leaving because of Israel, not because of Islamists. It's a lie.

56 MJ  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:26:09am

Doesn't matter what the Palestinians do and what they don't do ( like build State Institutions that aren't connected with terrorism ). Obama and Clinton and Jones are going to carve out a (terror) State for them regardless.

57 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:26:33am

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

And in other news, Sirhan Sirhan was was denied denied parole parole.

A while back, when SNL was funny, Sirhan Sirhan said that RFK would have wanted him granted parole. SNL said something like "he killed the one person who would have given him parole"

58 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:26:38am

re: #41 Charles

The hatred for gays is starting to come out of these people.

What else do they have to attack him with?

Cretins.

59 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:27:02am

re: #56 MJ

Doesn't matter what the Palestinians do and what they don't do ( like build State Institutions that aren't connected with terrorism ). Obama and Clinton and Jones are going to carve out a (terror) State for them regardless.

Well they are gonna try.

60 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:27:26am

bbl

61 Cognito  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:27:41am

re: #41 Charles

The hatred for gays is starting to come out of these people.

Next you'll be telling me Adam Lambert, that wholesome young American Idol contestant, is gay too.

62 manny  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:27:53am

"But Palestinian lawmaker Essa Qaraqie said Thursday that the location had been changed to a United Nations school"

Someone better tell the Pope's security people to make sure no one's working in the basement! UN School = Armory.

63 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:27:56am

re: #54 laZardo

And cue the crowds, with those tears in their eyes,
Moanin' "This was where an innocent died... This was where an innocent died..."

I'll have to remember that line; thanks.

64 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:28:43am

re: #55 Cato the Elder

I think he's trying to serve what remains of his constituency there, the dwindling numbers of Palestinian Catholics.

The leftards would have you believe they're leaving because of Israel, not because of Islamists. It's a lie.

I've met some Pali Catholics, and heard their sad tale of how the RoPers are trying to drive them out. I expect that Catholic and other Christian Holy sites located in Paliland will be torn down soon (in the next few years).

65 Diamond Bullet  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:28:47am

"Occupation." "Refugee camp." UN "school." Palestinian "lawmaker." I have problems with nearly every word in that quotation.

66 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #62 manny

"But Palestinian lawmaker Essa Qaraqie said Thursday that the location had been changed to a United Nations school"

Someone better tell the Pope's security people to make sure no one's working in the basement! UN School = Armory.

I'm sure they'll show the Pope battle damage they'll claim is due to the Israelis shooting at the school, without mentioning that they had terrorists hiding there, and used it as an armory.

67 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:29:56am

re: #65 Diamond Bullet

"Occupation." "Refugee camp." UN "school." Palestinian "lawmaker." I have problems with nearly every word in that quotation.

Obama and Gen. Jones, and Mitchell don't?

68 Ben Hur  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:30:34am

re: #48 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Weird guy, to say the least. He's claimed to be a muslim, Christian, & who knows what else since the assassination.

The Sirhan family in the PA is still involved in terror.

69 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:30:37am

re: #61 Cognito

Next you'll be telling me Adam Lambert, that wholesome young American Idol contestant, is gay too.

My wife and I sensed that waaaaay before we heard about the pictures of him posted on the 'net. He is a great singer.

70 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:31:22am

re: #63 Kosh's Shadow

And as the flames ride high into the night,
to start the mainstream media's fright,
the Great Satan laughs with delight,
the day our brother died...

71 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:33:09am

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

I've met some Pali Catholics, and heard their sad tale of how the RoPers are trying to drive them out. I expect that Catholic and other Christian Holy sites located in Paliland will be torn down soon (in the next few years).

And there are people out there who still believe that Islam is a Religion of Peace™?
Bullshit.
ISLAM DELENDA EST.

72 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:33:15am

re: #43 Kosh's Shadow

A bit OT, but now that I have this line, I just need to complete the rest of the song:

Bye, bye miss Arabian pie
Drove my Chevy to the levy and I blew it sky-high

And good ol' Palis packing Semtex with nails
Singing this is going to be the day that I die

73 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:33:22am

re: #68 Ben Hur

The Sirhan family in the PA is still involved in terror.

Sirhan Sirhan ain't. Maybe there is a lesson there?

74 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:33:31am

SSDY.

75 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:34:10am

re: #58 Cato the Elder

What else do they have to attack him with?

Cretins.

He didn't address a single point of dispute a single fact. They just accused him of having sex with Moroccan boys. Very odd.

76 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:35:10am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

He didn't address a single point of dispute a single fact. They just accused him of having sex with Moroccan boys. Very odd.

How would they know, anyway? Jerks.

77 dhg4  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:36:04am

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

They're still using the visit for propaganda, though.

Will he be given another keffiyah? Will he wear it?

Funny how the Muslim Palis are making the Christian Palis very uncomfortable, enough to leave.

This AP Report propagandizes that Christians are leaving Israel because of the "occupation." In truth, Israel is the one country in the Middle East where the Christian population is actually increasing.

78 VegasRick  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:36:06am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

He didn't address a single point of dispute a single fact. They just accused him of having sex with Moroccan boys. Very odd.

You are right. I thought they preferred boy goats.

79 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:36:27am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

He didn't address a single point of dispute a single fact. They just accused him of having sex with Moroccan boys. Very odd.

Yeah, it was a very strange post that Bostom wrote. All ad hominem and no real substance. It is like they are now disowing Fortuyn in order to be closer to the VB.

80 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:36:46am

re: #41 Charles

The hatred for gays is starting to come out of these people.

The attacks on Miss California keep coming too. First she gets flack for comments about gay marriage, then the religious right throws her under the bus for her simi nude pictures. Now, they dug into her parents divorce with gay undertones. No matter your stance on gay marriage, she should not have to go through this crap just for your religious beliefs.


Gay dad ?

81 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:36:57am

Ot: Looks like Specter got a chairmanship.

82 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #77 dhg4

This AP Report propagandizes that Christians are leaving Israel because of the "occupation." In truth, Israel is the one country in the Middle East where the Christian population is actually increasing.

They are leaving because of the occupation. Those Arabs are occupying Jewish land.

83 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:37:03am
... suffering under Israeli occupation.

Oh th' AGONY of it!
IDF tanks patroling Gaza City streets!
Shin Bet dragging Palestinians out of their beds at night!
IDF soldiers standing outside the schools, leering at the schoolgirls!

/yeah, right ... you hyperventilating self-victimizing assholes!

84 jaunte  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:37:38am

re: #80 avanti

That has nothing to do with the subject.

85 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:37:44am

re: #80 avanti

The attacks on Miss California keep coming too. First she gets flack for comments about gay marriage, then the religious right throws her under the bus for her simi nude pictures. Now, they dug into her parents divorce with gay undertones. No matter your stance on gay marriage, she should not have to go through this crap just for your religious beliefs.

Gay dad ?

Good grief.

86 MJ  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:37:58am

Guess the Taliban have learned from the State Department's favorite terrorists:

Officials: Taliban May Have Faked Civilian Slaughter

Did the Taliban stage a slaughter of dozens, to make U.S. forces in Afghanistan look like butchers? That’s what American military officials are implying in response to claims that coalition airstrikes killed dozens of civilians taking shelter from fighting between Taliban militants and international troops in Afghanistan’s Farah Province.

The International Committee of the Red Cross reported dozens of dead, but Gen. David McKiernan, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, suggested that the deaths may not have been caused by airstrikes. McKiernan told reporters in Kabul: “We have some other information that leads us to distinctly different conclusions about the cause of these civilian casualties.” An anonymous defense official took things a bit further, telling the Washington Post’s Greg Jaffe: “the Taliban went to a concerted effort to make it look like the U.S. airstrikes caused this.”

According to the New York Times, forensic investigators are investigating the possibility that Afghan civilians were killed by grenades thrown by Taliban fighters, who then paraded the bodies around a village, claiming the dead were killed by American bombs. And Col. Greg Julian, the main U.S. military spokesman in Kabul, downplayed the total number of casualties, telling The Wall Street Journal he was “pretty sure the high numbers of casualties are not going to prove true.”

[Link: www.wired.com...]

Remind anyone of the al-Dura blood libel?

87 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:38:14am

re: #81 Creeping Eruption

Ot: Looks like Specter Sphincter got a chairmanship.

There, fixed that for ya!

88 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:38:24am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

He didn't address a single point of dispute a single fact. They just accused him of having sex with Moroccan boys. Very odd.

No odd at all. This is as much proof as one would want if you need to understand what is going on over there. Attacking ones sexual preference was a standard practice of these racial nationalist, hell, didn't the 30's teach us anything?

And this little post by Bostom just highlights the hatred. Bostom didn't address or refute a single point in Bawer's article, never even mentioned it, linked to it, but never mentioned it.

A cheap, dirty low shot that has nothing to do with anything. This doesn't bolster Bostom's positions one iota.

Makes him look like a jerk though.

89 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:38:29am

re: #70 laZardo

A long, long, time ago...
I can still remember how our village was so full of smiles...
And I knew if I had my chance,
That I could rule these desert sands,
From the Tigris, to the Jordan, to the Niiiii~le....

But 1948 made me shiver,
With every bomb they delivered...
Zionists at our doorstep,
I couldn't take one more step...

I can't remember if I cried,
when they first came up with Nakba pride...
But something touched me deep inside...
The day our brothers died...

And I was singin'...

/on a roll, but 8-and-a-half minutes of lyrics don't come consecutively.

90 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:38:33am

re: #81 Creeping Eruption

Ot: Looks like Specter got a chairmanship.

Of?

91 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:38:38am

re: #80 avanti

And for that matter, how is it that Obama isn't getting roasted over the coals for having the same position as Prejean? Funny how that works.

92 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:38:41am

Not having followed this visit, what is the purpose? There are more tourist Catholics in the area than residents.

He's going to ask why they can't just get along?/

93 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:39:18am

re: #85 Ward Cleaver

And if those radical gays don't shut up, their community will also have a backlash against them down the road.

94 Ben Hur  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:39:27am

re: #80 avanti

The attacks on Miss California keep coming too. First she gets flack for comments about gay marriage, then the religious right throws her under the bus for her simi nude pictures. Now, they dug into her parents divorce with gay undertones. No matter your stance on gay marriage, she should not have to go through this crap just for your religious beliefs.


Gay dad ?

They are ruthless.

Have you seen this:

Breaking: Gay Marriage Opponent Topless Photos Leaked

95 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:40:01am

re: #80 avanti

The attacks on Miss California keep coming too. First she gets flack for comments about gay marriage, then the religious right throws her under the bus for her simi nude pictures. Now, they dug into her parents divorce with gay undertones. No matter your stance on gay marriage, she should not have to go through this crap just for your religious beliefs.

Gay dad ?

Avanti, although that is interesting information, did it strike you as having NOTHING to do with the topic that Charles' commented on?

You just post sometimes to attract attention to yourself, don't you?

96 bolivar  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:40:52am

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

And in other news, Sirhan Sirhan was was denied denied parole parole.

Thats good good.

97 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:40:52am

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Of?

Crime and Drugs subcommittee.

The article says it is an important committee that oversees much of the Justice Department activities.

98 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:40:56am

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

He could have added "OT" to his post and he would have been fine.

99 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:41:01am

re: #79 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, it was a very strange post that Bostom wrote. All ad hominem and no real substance. It is like they are now disowing Fortuyn in order to be closer to the VB.

That does seem to be the direction they're heading. They aren't interested in personal freedom and liberty. They're leaning more towards a repressing freedom of religion and enforcing their idea of morals.

100 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:41:22am

re: #81 Creeping Eruption

Ot: Looks like Specter got a chairmanship.

What?

/committee on septic tanks?

101 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:41:49am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

That does seem to be the direction they're heading. They aren't interested in personal freedom and liberty. They're leaning more towards a repressing freedom of religion and enforcing their idea of morals.

Duh, is that anything new for national socialist?

102 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #97 Creeping Eruption

Crime and Drugs subcommittee.

The article says it is an important committee that oversees much of the Justice Department activities.

Thanks.

103 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:42:39am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Mirror images of the very Islamists they claim to detest. They are looking out for themselves and are more than willing to oppress those who do not approve of their positions - and will attack anyone with vicious smears who calls them on the carpet.

104 Ben Hur  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:42:48am

re: #86 MJ

No.

Because the NYTIMES wouldn't investigate, or give any benefit of doubt.

There is a lesson in how they cover Taliban claims against the US and claims against Israel.

105 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:43:32am

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

I was thinking of the counterjihad movement in general. A few years ago I viewed most of them as standing up for liberty.

106 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:43:32am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

No odd at all. This is as much proof as one would want if you need to understand what is going on over there. Attacking ones sexual preference was a standard practice of these racial nationalist, hell, didn't the 30's teach us anything?

No, it didn't, but there is a weird history of gays and fascists. They're not always enemies. A guy by the name of Ernst Röhm comes to mind. Of course, he was killed partially for being gay during the Night of the Long Knives.

107 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #97 Creeping Eruption

Crime and Drugs subcommittee.

The article says it is an important committee that oversees much of the Justice Department activities.

Well, the crime and drugs subcommittee really should be run by Democrats, as they are the experts.

108 VegasRick  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:43:37am

re: #100 Ward Cleaver

What?

/committee on septic tanks?

A little higher up, toilet cleaner.

109 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:43:39am

re: #86 MJ

Guess the Taliban have learned from the State Department's favorite terrorists:

Officials: Taliban May Have Faked Civilian Slaughter

[Link: www.wired.com...]

Remind anyone of the al-Dura blood libel?

Any good forensic pathologists will be able to figure this out, based on the shrapnel they pull out of the bodies.

Way to go, Hillary!

/stupid bitch

110 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:44:36am

re: #98 Macker

He could have added "OT" to his post and he would have been fine.

Hi Macker! Still reading your blog..
When I was new somebody told me it's cool to go OT after a 100 posts..
I think that's a good rule to go by...

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:44:50am

re: #106 Honorary Yooper

I seem to recall that Austia's Eurofascist Freedom Party is very gay friendly.

112 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:45:37am

re: #105 Killgore Trout

I was thinking of the counterjihad movement in general. A few years ago I viewed most of them as standing up for liberty.

Some of them were. Some, like Charles, never stopped standing up for liberty. Some, like Robert and Pam, either changed their minds about liberty, or they showed us their true colors in regards to liberty.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:46:17am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall that Austia's Eurofascist Freedom Party is very gay friendly.

Is that because of Haider? Rumor had it he was heading to an affair with his gay lover when he had the fatal car accident.

114 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #106 Honorary Yooper

No, it didn't, but there is a weird history of gays and fascists. They're not always enemies. A guy by the name of Ernst Röhm comes to mind. Of course, he was killed partially for being gay during the Night of the Long Knives.

The night before, at the beer hall...
"I fucking swear, Ernst, if you say that brown suit of yours is more 'fabulous' than our standard SS outfits one more time..."

/hurr

115 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:46:28am

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, although that is interesting information, did it strike you as having NOTHING to do with the topic that Charles' commented on?

You just post sometimes to attract attention to yourself, don't you?

Look, The thread was drifting to talk about gays, even American Idol got tossed in, and it that reminded me of the Miss California story I had just read.

116 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:47:07am

re: #106 Honorary Yooper

No, it didn't, but there is a weird history of gays and fascists. They're not always enemies. A guy by the name of Ernst Röhm comes to mind. Of course, he was killed partially for being gay during the Night of the Long Knives.

Well, FYI, I left this comment at Bostom's blog, seems it's an open comment blog, didn't even have to register. Let's see how long it stays.

This is as much proof as one would want if you need to understand what is going on in Europe.

Attacking ones sexual preference as you have just done was a standard practice of these racial nationalist, hell, didn’t the 30’s teach you anything?

And this little post by you just highlights the hatred. You didn’t address or refute a single point in Bawer’s article, never even mentioned it, linked to it, but never mentioned it.

A cheap, dirty low shot that has nothing to do with anything. This doesn’t bolster your positions one iota.

You tact is nothing new, just more national socialism ?

117 Ben Hur  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:47:34am

bbl

118 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:48:24am
119 J.S.  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:48:25am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Oh please...according to the rumors, ol' Jorg was gay (according to the new "dear leader" who revealed that he had a relationship with Jorg) -- these revelations have thrown the party into disarray...and, "no," fascists don't like gays...(it's actually somewhat amusing...)

120 MJ  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:48:48am

re: #104 Ben Hur

No.

Because the NYTIMES wouldn't investigate, or give any benefit of doubt.

There is a lesson in how they cover Taliban claims against the US and claims against Israel.

That's true.
Israel is always presumed to be guilty.

121 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall that Austia's Eurofascist Freedom Party is very gay friendly.

Which is what makes this so post by Bostom so strange. Johann Hari at the Huffington Post wrote an article about the subject back in October. The article is decent, but I'd avoid reading the comments section.

122 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:49:09am

re: #115 avanti

Look, The thread was drifting to talk about gays, even American Idol got tossed in, and it that reminded me of the Miss California story I had just read.

I'm picking Adam to Win American Idol..The dude is an amazing Talent..He reminds me of a young Freddie Mercury..
how is that for OT?

123 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #115 avanti

Look, The thread was drifting to talk about gays, even American Idol got tossed in, and it that reminded me of the Miss California story I had just read.

No, Charles was commenting on how a major player in the Euro-nationalist anti-jihad movement wrote an article about someone's sexual preference, which had nothing to do with the article that was being addressed.

We were not starting to talk about gays in general.

Do a little research.

124 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:50:31am

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow

I read that his car crashed at 88 miles per hour.

Perhaps he was trying to travel back in time to consult his hero, and figured that there would be a road in front of him once the flux capacitor did its thing.

/perhaps not the moment for gratuitous movie trivia...

125 ArielBenjamin  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:51:38am

Can't blame the Palestinians for trying.. of course it's cheap BS but you gotta remember (1) The Israelis aren't always effective at barring this sort of thing, so it was worth a shot, (2) This pope hasn't evinced much respect for the cause of Israeli security, so they were encouraged, and (3) foreign dignitaries in Israel are routinely dragged to Yad Vashem for its pathos value (a practice I myself happen to favor, but still, it is what it is).

This pope/wall tactic on the part of the PA is only remarkable for its poor conception. Definitely a below average showing for Palestinian propagandists.

126 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #91 lawhawk

And for that matter, how is it that Obama isn't getting roasted over the coals for having the same position as Prejean? Funny how that works.

He is.

127 mfarmer1  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:52:57am

Darn, I was hoping he was going to also make an appearance on "Pioneers of Tomorrow" with little creepy Sara Barhoum and the latest mutant animal with the annoying voice.

128 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:54:00am

re: #122 HoosierHoops

I'm picking Adam to Win American Idol..The dude is an amazing Talent..He reminds me of a young Freddie Mercury..
how is that for OT?

My wife watches, but it's just background noise to me this season. From what I've seen, Adam is the best.

129 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:54:18am

It is a concrete wall, the cement is the powder you use to make concrete.

130 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:54:43am

re: #86 MJ

Yes, it does. I still remember the complete video of that Paliwood production before all the editing to fake the killing of the kid and the father.

131 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:55:04am

re: #127 mfarmer1

Darn, I was hoping he was going to also make an appearance on "Pioneers of Tomorrow" with little creepy Sara Barhoum and the latest mutant animal with the annoying voice.

Furries (not counting OldGuyJeans et al.) for Hamas. Reptiles for Israel.

Makes...a lot of sense. Huh.

132 justabill  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:56:23am

re: #81 Creeping Eruption

Ot: Looks like Specter Sphincter got a chairmanship.

There, fixed that for ya!

Hmm, this smells funny, someone should start a probe.

133 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:56:32am

Palis will use whatever tool is useful at the moment. The question is why do they even enable them. We know, They know. But its all treated like some effin' game with real lives at stake. Makes me wanna puke.

134 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:56:48am

re: #128 avanti

My wife watches, but it's just background noise to me this season. From what I've seen, Adam is the best.

I have watched American Idol since day one..
/don't ding me bro! LOL

135 formercorpsman  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:56:57am

The PA & Hamas are the lowest of the low.

This is the same scum who sought refuge from from a fight they initiated, got their asses kicked at, and then trashed the Church of the Nativity.

Screw them.

136 LGoPs  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:57:38am

{Insert cogent and insightful comment here}

137 dhg4  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:58:30am

re: #91 lawhawk

And for that matter, how is it that Obama isn't getting roasted over the coals for having the same position as Prejean? Funny how that works.

A conversation in a Hollywood restaurant.

138 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:58:31am

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.

139 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:59:29am

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, although that is interesting information, did it strike you as having NOTHING to do with the topic that Charles' commented on?

You just post sometimes to attract attention to yourself, don't you?

To be fair, this thread went from the Pope in Palestine to Andrew Bostom and his gay bashing. So, I can see the relationship of avanti's post.

140 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:00:43am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall that Austia's Eurofascist Freedom Party is very gay friendly.

Is Bruno a member?

141 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #138 Gella

because Obama is so cool and collective

I love your accent.

142 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:00:56am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.


That article is highly illogical.
I believe it is a Romulan plot to discredit the Vulcans.

143 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:01:13am

re: #140 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is Bruno a member?

Yes, and so is Borat!

144 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:01:30am

re: #141 wrenchwench

I love your accent.

Thanks :)

145 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #142 Kosh's Shadow

That article is highly illogical.
I believe it is a Romulan plot to discredit the Vulcans.

did u actually read it?
can u please cliff note me on it?

146 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.

Nice rant..you are cool..But may I point out that Spock was a Character?
He isn't real..
Obama is a Real person..and this is a real world ..Spock isn't here...

147 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #118 Iron Fist

But I thought Sirhan Sirhan was a political prisoner and was strongly supported by William Ayers, who is strongly supported by Obama, who is strongly supported by the Kennedys.

Fry Mumia!

DING!

148 MJ  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:02:37am

Here's an interview with Mariam Farhat (Umm Nidal) that's going to aired on Nat Geo soon.

Female Suicide Bombers:

Youtube Video
149 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:02:56am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.

Spock is a fictional character. What does it matter?

150 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:03:00am

re: #146 HoosierHoops

Nice rant..you are cool..But may I point out that Spock was a Character?
He isn't real..
Obama is a Real person..and this is a real world ..Spock isn't here...

thats the whole point, they compare zero to fictional character, IMXO bad idea

151 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:03:05am

re: #145 Gella

did u actually read it?
can u please cliff note me on it?

(slams head on desk)

/ow.

152 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:03:37am

re: #146 HoosierHoops

GMTA. (for a second I thought I was nuts maybe)

153 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:03:45am

re: #145 Gella

did u actually read it?
can u please cliff note me on it?

There was no link and I forgot the sarc tag, since I know Spock is a character.
(Although I did go to Leonard Nimoy's father's barber shop.)

154 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:03:59am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

And, being a TOS fan, absolutely REFUSE to see what JJ Abrams has mutated it into.

155 J.S.  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:04:16am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall that Austia's Eurofascist Freedom Party is very gay friendly.

Can you supply any evidence here? (I don't believe the fascists in Europe are "gay friendly." They despise gays -- and that's why they were all so outraged upon discovering Jorg's affair, and why Jorg's "lover" was immediately replaced.)

156 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:04:27am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.


Ramirez

157 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:04:29am

re: #150 Gella

thats the whole point, they compare zero to fictional character, IMXO bad idea

No, your whole point was you are a sci-fi fan and this comparison was discrediting a fictional character you love.

158 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:04:33am

My favorite recent gay marriage story was one in The Onion about a typo in Proposition 8 making marriage only legal "between one man and one wolfman."

159 LGoPs  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:04:34am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.
Thanks.

I heard an interesting take on the media this morning. I, and many others, complain of the media's leftist bias but the point I heard this morning was that the media is not biased.......it is out and out hostile to conservative views. And this hostility translates to waging war on those views.
If we are living in the Information Age, then the fact is that we are getting our asses kicked.

160 wiffersnapper  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:04:53am

Go Pope Go!

161 Dave the.....  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:08am

Spock would find "doing a little blow" illogical.

162 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:22am

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

No, your whole point was you are a sci-fi fan and this comparison was discrediting a fictional character you love.

point is, media has nothing better to talk about

163 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:37am

re: #22 Alouette

The Palestinian Authority has been paying salaries for years to the scumbuckets who pissed and shat all over the Church of the Nativity

Carl in Jerusalem linked an article a few days ago where someone in Israel (Peres perhaps?) wanted to transfer ownership of several Christian holy places to the Vatican. I thought it sounded like a great idea--let the Vatican, which has very deep pockets, take over protecting and maintaining Christian sites within Israel. It will be harder for so many Vatican officials to maintain their warped views of Palestinians vs Israelis once they physically engage in concrete threat assessment, IMHO.

164 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:41am

Spock doesn't need a teleprompter.

165 justabill  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.

Yea, but vulcans dont' lie...

166 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:56am

re: #154 Macker

And, being a TOS fan, absolutely REFUSE to see what JJ Abrams has mutated it into.

Leonard Nimoy likes it.

"I was struck by the intensity of their feelings about the classic Star Trek material that we did," Nimoy noted. "I was very touched by it."

The memories and emotion hit home when the actor finally saw the fully completed movie.

"I gotta tell ya, I cried a lot," Nimoy said. "I did, I sat there and cried a lot watching it."

"Don't tell anybody," he added jokingly to the convention crowd. "It's out of character for me."

167 wiffersnapper  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:05:58am

Anyone else find it interesting that while evangelical Christians keep going further to the extreme right, the Vatican is doing the opposite and using common sense and embracing science?

168 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:06:05am

re: #154 Macker

And, being a TOS fan, absolutely REFUSE to see what JJ Abrams has mutated it into.

I'm not a Star Trek fan in general, I am a J.J Abrams fan, but I will see the movie since someone I know is in it, Simon Pegg, playing Scotty. But if he wasn't in the movie, I would give it a pass.

169 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #91 lawhawk

And for that matter, how is it that Obama isn't getting roasted over the coals for having the same position as Prejean? Funny how that works.

Because Obama isn't an embarrassment and Prejean is.

170 Dave the.....  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:06:46am

Many western Big Protestant churches have taken the side of the Palestinian-Arabs, and against Israel. To be the best of my knowledge, the Catholic church has not done this.

171 laZardo  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:06:55am

re: #163 funky chicken

You ever wonder why nobody taunts the Swiss Guards' gaudy outfits?

Last person that did, they buried in a shoebox.

172 wiffersnapper  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:00am

And by "the opposite" I don't mean they're becoming radical leftists! ;)

173 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:04am

re: #162 Gella

point is, media has nothing better to talk about

I see. I misread your point. Sorry.

174 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:30am

re: #128 avanti

My wife watches, but it's just background noise to me this season. From what I've seen, Adam is the best.

I'd agree; the talent hasn't been that great this year, with the exception of Adam Lambert. Paula's nuclear-powered push-up bras have been pretty funny, though.

175 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:30am
176 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:31am

re: #163 funky chicken

Tom Clancy's book The Sum of All Fears has Jack Ryan come up with a mideast peace plan that works. It's been a while since I read it, but it involves using the Vatican to help and provide security, I think in a shared Jerusalem.

177 swamprat  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:50am

re: #169 funky chicken

Because Obama isn't an embarrassment and Prejean is.

You got a link for that?

178 pink freud  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:07:51am

re: #169 funky chicken

Because Obama isn't an embarrassment and Prejean is.

He is to me.

179 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

I see. I misread your point. Sorry.

:)
i am going to see this movie, because of Quinto and Nimoy :) I am not a big fan of JJ Abrams to be honest with, reviews were good so far

180 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:08:19am

re: #137 dhg4

Great link!

A conversation in a Hollywood restaurant.



“That and being,” he claws quote marks in the air, “a good Christian. Listen, Obama's a Christian like I'm a Hasid.”

I am floored.

“You're saying that Democrats assume Obama is lying for political expediency?”

“To get elected, sure. Hey, welcome to the real world.”

I take a deep breath.

“So Cary Prejean is a big fat target—”

“Not fat, my friend, did you see that slamming body?”

“Okay, so she's a slamming beautiful target because she's a genuine Christian and sincerely opposes gay marriage whereas Obama gets a pass because, you assume, he's a liar and an opportunist.”

“You got it.”

181 debutaunt  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:08:23am

re: #138 Gella

i apologize ahead of time, but i need to vent, its not related to this particular forum
so here goes my rant of the day
Internet buddy of mine who is extreme liberal gave me article from salon ( i didn't really read it) compare Obama to Spock, because Obama is so cool and collective, etc... Its not the 1st article i seen comparing political figures to star trek or star wars character (yes Bush was compared to Vader by Newsweek). As a scifi fan i got deeply offended, because in any shape or form u can't compare zero to Spock. BTW this person found this article really funny. I am sick and tired of hypocritical moronic liberal media.

Thanks.

Cool and collective - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA

182 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #163 funky chicken

Carl in Jerusalem linked an article a few days ago where someone in Israel (Peres perhaps?) wanted to transfer ownership of several Christian holy places to the Vatican. I thought it sounded like a great idea--let the Vatican, which has very deep pockets, take over protecting and maintaining Christian sites within Israel. It will be harder for so many Vatican officials to maintain their warped views of Palestinians vs Israelis once they physically engage in concrete threat assessment, IMHO.

I am not so sure about that. The "Christians" living under "Palestinian" rule do not and can act independently. They tend to do what ever they have to in order to simply survive.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #20 _RememberTonyC

very true .... and they are too stupid to realize how they are used by the arab/muslim world ONLY for propaganda purposes. nobody in the arab/muslim world really CARES about them.

I think they're well aware of that.

184 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #164 Mad Al-Jaffee

Spock doesn't need a teleprompter.

And he's a NJB.

185 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #181 debutaunt

Cool and collective - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA

ok here is the link for the brave soul
[Link: www.salon.com...]

P.S. i need a racket right now

186 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:10:28am

re: #179 Gella

:)
i am going to see this movie, because of Quinto and Nimoy :) I am not a big fan of JJ Abrams to be honest with, reviews were good so far

Lots of commercials for that movie running on the kid channels.

187 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:10:34am

re: #185 Gella

ok here is the link for the brave soul
[Link: www.salon.com...]

P.S. i need a racket right now

oops should be bucket

188 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:11:17am

re: #182 Nevergiveup

I am not so sure about that. The "Christians" living under "Palestinian" rule do not and can act independently. They tend to do what ever they have to in order to simply survive.

1379 years of Occupation has taught them well to keep their heads down.

189 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:11:22am

re: #186 Ward Cleaver

Lots of commercials for that movie running on the kid channels.

well its "Rated PG-13 for sci-fi action and violence, and brief sexual content", from imdb.com

190 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #188 Kenneth

1379 years of Occupation has taught them well to keep their heads down.

yes

191 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #179 Gella

:)
i am going to see this movie, because of Quinto and Nimoy :) I am not a big fan of JJ Abrams to be honest with, reviews were good so far

I'm waiting for the DVD..unfortunately the only movies I get to see at the movies is chick flicks....

192 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:12:13am

re: #189 Gella

well its "Rated PG-13 for sci-fi action and violence, and brief sexual content", from imdb.com

Great.

193 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:12:26am

re: #189 Gella

well its "Rated PG-13 for sci-fi action and violence, and brief sexual content", from imdb.com

So which alien does Kirk have a liason with?

194 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:12:27am

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

I've met some Pali Catholics, and heard their sad tale of how the RoPers are trying to drive them out. I expect that Catholic and other Christian Holy sites located in Paliland will be torn down soon (in the next few years).

Again, this is why I think Peres is smart to hand these sites over to the RC Church. I'm damned sick and tired of reading stories that connect Israel to threats against these Christian sites.

Make them Vatican-owned property, and let the Vatican decide if they are worth protecting from the "peace-loving" Palestinians.

195 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #194 funky chicken

Again, this is why I think Peres is smart to hand these sites over to the RC Church. I'm damned sick and tired of reading stories that connect Israel to threats against these Christian sites.

Make them Vatican-owned property, and let the Vatican decide if they are worth protecting from the "peace-loving" Palestinians.

It's never that easy. Israel will always be blamed anyway since they are the "force" in charge.

196 Last Mohican  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:14:01am

re: #185 Gella

ok here is the link for the brave soul
[Link: www.salon.com...]

P.S. i need a racket right now

I only got as far as the subtitle:

Our president bears a striking resemblance to the rational "Star Trek" Vulcan whose mixed race made him cultural translator to the universe.

Then I threw up in my mouth a little, and decided to stop reading.

197 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:14:47am
198 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:14:52am

re: #137 dhg4

A conversation in a Hollywood restaurant.

I don't believe BHO's opposition to gay marriage is anything more then a political decision.

199 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:14:53am

re: #193 Honorary Yooper

So which alien does Kirk have a liason with?

according to pictures chick has green skin :)
i am upset Shatner is not in it .

200 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:14:56am
201 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:15:18am

re: #196 Last Mohican

Then I threw up in my mouth a little, and decided to stop reading.

You can barf in Gella's racket.

202 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:15:38am

re: #194 funky chicken

Again, this is why I think Peres is smart to hand these sites over to the RC Church. I'm damned sick and tired of reading stories that connect Israel to threats against these Christian sites.

Make them Vatican-owned property, and let the Vatican decide if they are worth protecting from the "peace-loving" Palestinians.

The thing is, some of them are revered by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians, so it wouldn't be that simple. There are already disputes about who has authority over some of the sites as it is, and some are joint Catholic/Orthodox.

203 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #196 Last Mohican

By "resemblance," do they mean the ears?

204 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:16:09am
205 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:16:17am

re: #201 wrenchwench

You can barf in Gella's racket.

It's strain the chunks.

206 formercorpsman  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:16:48am

re: #138 Gella

You know Gella, I read what you wrote. Many times when I read something, I will get a particular feeling about it, but not really the right words to articulate that feeling.

I chewed on it, read it again, and I think I have it.

My mental impression of that story is folks who need to make those comparisons, (I recognize it often done in jest) refuse to digest the true reality which surrounds them. Of course Spock is a fictional character. In that arena, sure, he is cool. He can be, it is make believe.

Pasting such a label on him somehow qualifies their impression of him, because when it comes down to brass tacks, the real world we are facing right now is potentially scary as any episode of Star Trek.

Comparing him to someone tangible from the past, under similar circumstances, and stakes at hand, becomes more of a difficult task. Almost impossible in my opinion.

For them, this is a pseudo-verification. It qualifies him. These are the same people hell-bent on recreating, and finding some tacit justification in something called Camelot.

I think these are the same people who create the Facebook questions.

207 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:16:51am

re: #205 Ward Cleaver

It's It'll strain the chunks.

PIMF

208 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #201 wrenchwench

You can barf in Gella's racket.

LOOL :)
bucket :)

209 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #163 funky chicken

Carl in Jerusalem linked an article a few days ago where someone in Israel (Peres perhaps?) wanted to transfer ownership of several Christian holy places to the Vatican. I thought it sounded like a great idea--let the Vatican, which has very deep pockets, take over protecting and maintaining Christian sites within Israel. It will be harder for so many Vatican officials to maintain their warped views of Palestinians vs Israelis once they physically engage in concrete threat assessment, IMHO.

Transferring control of Christian holy site to the Vatican is really going to piss off the Greek Orthodox (not that they don't already hate the Jews)

210 LGoPs  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:17:47am

OT
Mark Steyn sitting in for Rush. He's making a point about the left's penchant for saying the debate is over. It's an intellectually lazy technique so that they don't have to make the argument.

Based on this type of thinking we never should have allowed anyone to claim that the earth revolves around the sun rather than the currently held view at the time. It is positively anti-intellectual. And that is today's Left.

211 Million Dollar Man  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:18:01am

Sounds like the Israelis are more interested in security than stopping a possible propaganda victory. They probably are worried about riots/attacks breaking out right beside a military tower and having to protect the pope somehow.

212 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:18:05am

re: #200 taxfreekiller

rain is done

HOT

And humid. Ugh.

213 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

The thing is, some of them are revered by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians, so it wouldn't be that simple. There are already disputes about who has authority over some of the sites as it is, and some are joint Catholic/Orthodox.

Which is why the Key for the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem is held by a Muslim.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:19:21am

re: #171 laZardo

You ever wonder why nobody taunts the Swiss Guards' gaudy outfits?

Last person that did, they buried in a shoebox.

They may be opening the Swiss Guard to women. I saw it on the Spanish news channel, and thought I must be misunderstanding, but apparently it's really being discussed.

215 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:19:52am

re: #195 Nevergiveup

It's never that easy. Israel will always be blamed anyway since they are the "force" in charge.

Not if they are not officially Israeli soil. I think Peres's proposal was pretty radical...or at least Carll's response made it sound pretty radical. He was VERY upset that Peres would give chunks of Israeli land to the Vatican like that....again, if it's not Israeli soil, and therefore no longer part of Israel, it's real hard to blame Israelis when the Jordyptians attack the sites.

And the Vatican might not be so damned quick to call for "restraint from both sides" when they are begging the Israelis to come to their aid.

216 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:20:25am

re: #206 formercorpsman

This snippet backs up your analysis:

"Star Trek" fans who bonded with Spock already understood what those of us who followed Obama learned early on: that witnessing a powerful intellect can be deeply satisfying on an emotional level. We got a similar hit from Martin Luther King Jr. and the Kennedys, of course, and from Bill Clinton. But while Clinton's administration was smart, Obama's seems futuristic.
217 formercorpsman  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #216 wrenchwench

That was from the article? ( I read Gella's post, not the Salon article)

218 MJ  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:21:44am

re: #195 Nevergiveup

It's never that easy. Israel will always be blamed anyway since they are the "force" in charge.

They'd be blame anyway by the simple fact that Israel is the Jewish State
( regardless whether anyone likes it or not ) and Jews are the world's scapegoats.

219 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #217 formercorpsman

That was from the article? ( I read Gella's post, not the Salon article)

Yep. Sure sounded like you read the article....

220 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:22:33am

re: #193 Honorary Yooper

So which alien does Kirk have a liason with?

I dunno, but I could have sworn he bangs Uhura.

221 formercorpsman  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #219 wrenchwench


Heh, pretty funny.

222 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:23:46am

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

The thing is, some of them are revered by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians, so it wouldn't be that simple. There are already disputes about who has authority over some of the sites as it is, and some are joint Catholic/Orthodox.

I've never read that protestants have difficulty visiting the Vatican. Have those wacky RCs decided to turn Vatican City into an exclusive town a la Mecca?

223 Rexatosis  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:24:03am

Pope Benedict should visit, with camera crews in tow, the various Biblical Holy Sites (Old and New Testament) that have been trashed under Palestinian rule.

224 DawnofTruth  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:24:06am

re: #198 avanti

I don't believe BHO's opposition to gay marriage is anything more then a political decision.

Avanti Can you please explain to me why you voted for Obama. You seem unconcerned about lies and deceptions told by this man. What type of character do you look for in your leader?

225 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:24:21am

re: #219 wrenchwench

Yep. Sure sounded like you read the article....

i think article is really predictable from the title

226 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:25:07am

re: #215 funky chicken

Not if they are not officially Israeli soil. I think Peres's proposal was pretty radical...or at least Carll's response made it sound pretty radical. He was VERY upset that Peres would give chunks of Israeli land to the Vatican like that....again, if it's not Israeli soil, and therefore no longer part of Israel, it's real hard to blame Israelis when the Jordyptians attack the sites.

And the Vatican might not be so damned quick to call for "restraint from both sides" when they are begging the Israelis to come to their aid.

Sounds nice, but that has not been the history of that part of the Middle East. Israel would definitely get blamed and giving away "control" or "Soveriegnty" is a slippery slope anyway. And Peres doesn't have such a great track record of being right lately.

227 jcm  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:30:19am

re: #210 LGoPs

OT
Mark Steyn sitting in for Rush. He's making a point about the left's penchant for saying the debate is over. It's an intellectually lazy technique so that they don't have to make the argument.

Based on this type of thinking we never should have allowed anyone to claim that the earth revolves around the sun rather than the currently held view at the time. It is positively anti-intellectual. And that is today's Left.

Mark had a qualifier in there.

The debate is over, the facts don't matter......

228 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:35:04am

re: #224 DawnofTruth

Avanti Can you please explain to me why you voted for Obama. You seem unconcerned about lies and deceptions told by this man. What type of character do you look for in your leader?

I've been around long enough to know that all politicians say what they need to in order to get elected. If you think McCain wanted to embrace the evangelicals for example, or became pro life, you'd be missing the point.
A POTUS may often have personal belief's that they need to stifle for political expediency.

229 justabill  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #220 Macker

I dunno, but I could have sworn he bangs Uhura.

If thats the case, they'll have to remake the original episode where they have the first black/white kiss on TV.

230 avanti  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:36:37am

re: #229 justabill

If thats the case, they'll have to remake the original episode where they have the first black/white kiss on TV.

Yea, that was a major deal at the time, amazing.

231 J.S.  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:38:45am

re: #175 Iron Fist

Fascists have an entire political ideology -- Ok? And part and parcel of that "ideology" is hatred of gays (gay lifestyle, etc.) This might be similar, btw, to certain Christian right-wing groups who make similar statements of outright dislike/disgust with a gay lifestyle, gays, but the next thing ya know, the head of the group turns out to be gay (or having gay affairs) -- who was it that was just in the news not that long ago? Was it Swaggert? (I don't recall the name). Clearly, there's the ideology, then there's the "reality" (what's really happening). So, the rhetoric -- with regard to fascists is open hatred/hostility towards gays (homosexuals were also sent to the gas chambers, as I'm sure you're aware). Then, there's the "reality" -- ie, the "discovery" that "Dear Leader" is not quite so gung-ho hetero as previously believed...(there's that Freudian critique of gay hatred -- that in reality it's just a cover for homosexual proclivities...)

232 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:41:59am

re: #138 Gella

I checked out the website for the new Star Trek movie. There is a section with "dossiers" on each crew member. For some stupid reason, it lists Pavel Chekov as being from "Russia". Wrong. In the original series, Chekov said his home town was Minsk, which is in Belarus. You think these people could do a little bit of research? Crack open an atlas, maybe?

233 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:48:23am

re: #231 J.S.

The preacher suspected of gay affair was Jim Bakker. Jimmy Swaggart was caught having sex with a prostitute.

234 Gella  Thu, May 7, 2009 11:04:38am

re: #232 Kenneth

I checked out the website for the new Star Trek movie. There is a section with "dossiers" on each crew member. For some stupid reason, it lists Pavel Chekov as being from "Russia". Wrong. In the original series, Chekov said his home town was Minsk, which is in Belarus. You think these people could do a little bit of research? Crack open an atlas, maybe?

well for some ppl its all the same

235 descolada9  Thu, May 7, 2009 11:04:51am

You know, if the PA spent half as much time building infrastructure as they did with propoganda, the Palestinians would have a decent life. Ah, therein lies the rub as it would rob Fatah and Hamas of reasons for their existence...

236 debutaunt  Thu, May 7, 2009 11:08:01am

re: #224 DawnofTruth

Avanti Can you please explain to me why you voted for Obama. You seem unconcerned about lies and deceptions told by this man. What type of character do you look for in your leader?

Principles. Lots of interchangeable principles.

237 J.S.  Thu, May 7, 2009 11:45:32am

re: #233 Kenneth

Oh, ok...You're correct...it wasn't Swaggart...(actually, who I was thinking of was Ted Haggard -- he had a homosexual affair -- he was on CNN a couple months back -- hey, it rhymes with Swaggart...sort-uh..)

238 steveoh  Thu, May 7, 2009 11:52:30am

Fact: The last Pope was targeted for assassination by a terror cell which crossed from Gaza, into Israel, and then into Judea And Samaria. They were tracked by a Anti Terror element of the the Israeli Police Force and were surrounded 24 hours prior to the Pope's arrival in Bethlehem. One terrorist exploded his belt outside the the house injuring one of the Israeli policemen with fragments of bone from the bomber. The rest of the cell was eliminated after a quick but fierce gun battle.

And the Pope wants to parade around with these barbarians. I hope Bibi learned his lesson and allows the PA to provide the Pope protection.

239 nyc redneck  Thu, May 7, 2009 12:17:24pm

everything the palis do is to further their goal of blaming, maligning, destroying
israel. these scum had an opportunity to host the pope.
they don't give a shite abt. the pope except to the extent they can use him to make israel look bad.
this is very telling abt. their 100%, 24/7 commitment to not wanting anything
but the end of israel.
interesting they could not suspend their hideous agenda even for a moment to allow the pope a presence in a non-politicized way.
their outlook is pathological. how could o expect israel to make more concessions to such hate consumed backward barbarians?

240 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 1:03:30pm

re: #228 avanti

I've been around long enough to know that all politicians say what they need to in order to get elected. If you think McCain wanted to embrace the evangelicals for example, or became pro life, you'd be missing the point.
A POTUS may often have personal belief's that they need to stifle for political expediency.

Dude, McCain's voted pro-life for 28 years in congress. It's a lie of the extreme right wing that he's not pro-life.

241 gatorbait  Thu, May 7, 2009 1:31:40pm

re: #17 harrylook

Are the "Palestinians" good at anything other than propanda? And they're good at it. Never has such a debased culture of hate and violence been so pititied by well-meaning people the world over. Revolting.

They are very accomplished lovers of death.

242 charles_martel  Thu, May 7, 2009 3:46:03pm

The particularly patient pope probably presented pertinent papal passages presaging powerful portents, provoking pissed Palestinians.

243 odorlesspaintthinner  Thu, May 7, 2009 4:27:42pm

re: #170 Dave the.....

Many western Big Protestant churches have taken the side of the Palestinian-Arabs, and against Israel. To be the best of my knowledge, the Catholic church has not done this.

As a Catholic, it isn't so much anti-Israel or pro-Pali bias I'm concerned with as it is the "moral equivalency" of their calls for "peace" whenever the Israelis finally exercise their right to defend their citizens. That's the very attitude that is pushing toward this two-state "solution." The Holy Father, God love him, will not put his Church on the line for what I think he ultimately views as temporal politics.

244 tsionguy  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:20:17pm

re: #228 avanti

A POTUS may often have personal belief's that they need to stifle for political expediency.

It's one thing to stifle, and quite another to brazenly lie about them.

245 tsionguy  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:26:25pm

re: #211 Million Dollar Man

Sounds like the Israelis are more interested in security than stopping a possible propaganda victory...

Israelis generally don't pay much attention to Arab propaganda, or anti-semitism in general. They are desensitized to it and/or they feel powerless to combat it. It's a nationwide malaise and a major problem in Israeli society, IMHO.

246 marknz  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:28:58am

It's time that Israel goes on the offense with building more nuclear arms with the stated aim that if missiles are launched at Israel they will tun all of the Middle East into a radioactive wasteland, with particular attention paid to Iran.

They need to have a military with bombers in the air 24/7 with the rules of engagement if they attack us they will all die. Period.

If they can't achieve that then the US and western countries should join in the camp and side with Israel with the idea if any threat is turn on Israel then no other country in the Middle East will survive.


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