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1 Guanxi88  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:46:16pm

SO, is this what happens when the crazy uncle gets into the liquor cabinet at the family reunion?

2 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:46:24pm

Ron Paul is Hal 9000 in disguise & he will get inside the GOP and not open the pod bay door.

3 Bob Dillon  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:46:50pm

Wow - 50-50 split.

/

4 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:47:02pm

nor laup

5 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:47:29pm

What ? No love child of Uncle Fester and Cousin It ? What to choose...

6 Sharmuta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:47:32pm

I did not vote for "awesome".

7 brisco county  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:48:02pm

He's a guy who happens to say a lot of things that make sense, but the fact that he humors theories of the government attacking its own people on September 11th completely discredits him for me.

8 Guanxi88  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:48:10pm

re: #4 yochanan

nor laup

Garmonbozia!

9 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:48:25pm

re: #5 SasquatchOnSteroids

what about thing t. thing he demands a paternity test.

10 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:48:27pm

Ron Paul!

11 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:48:35pm

Wow, if you have the "Auto" new comments on, the poll updates too.

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:07pm

Can non-registered users vote? Just wait until this gets posted on the Ron Paul forums.

13 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:24pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul!

Your opinion, last night?

14 Sharmuta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:27pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

Wow, if you have the "Auto" new comments on, the poll updates too.

Cool!

15 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:38pm

Repost from the previous thread:

Anyone who wants to defend Ron Paul's insanity needs to explain why he is a frequent guest on the Alex Jones conspiracy show, gave the keynote speech for the John Birch Society's 50th anniversary meeting last year, and took money from the neo-Nazis at Stormfront and refused to return it when it was revealed.

And that's just scratching the surface of the problems with this guy. He's a creationist, he's connected with the hardcore extreme right paleocons at the Robert Taft Club, and much, much more.

16 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:48pm

The Gold Standard is a great idea!

////

17 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:50pm

3 votes for the only man to save the GOP.

I'm encouraged.

//

18 Racer X  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:49:57pm

I didn't see the option to pick "whiney little bitch", so I clicked Kook.

19 Yankee Division Son  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:50:39pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Can non-registered users vote? Just wait until this gets posted on the Ron Paul forums.

Apparently so, I voted before I logged in.

20 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:50:44pm

Is it true this guy was a real Physician?

21 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:50:47pm

Ron Paul is Cindy Sheehan in drag...

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:50:54pm

I voted 'dangerous kook'. This is starting to really not be funny any more.

23 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:51:08pm

re: #9 yochanan

what about thing t. thing he demands a paternity test.

Thing couldnn't handle the truth.

24 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:51:20pm

re: #20 WhiteRasta

Is it true this guy was a real Physician?

Gyancologist (sp?)

25 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:51:39pm

re: #22 Charles

The GOP is over IMHO.

26 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:51:52pm

And if anyone is looking for Luap Nor's flagship here it is.
Such a waste of a cool-looking FASA ship....

27 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:03pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

It was Ok, seemed like sort of a time killer preparing for the season finale. Locke's plan to kill Jacob is interesting but killing people in Lost has become a little dull. They can always come back. Linus reminds me of Smeagol now. What did you think?

28 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:16pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Gyancologist (sp?)

"Groin Ecologist"

/Archie Bunker

29 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:30pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

I would not let him anywhere near my wife or kids. He's been self medicating for too long, it seems.

30 brookly red  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:31pm

re: #23 SasquatchOnSteroids

Thing couldnn't handle the truth.

thing has a thing?

31 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:48pm

re: #25 Ojoe

The GOP is over IMHO.

Ojoe ... where is the party for the middle ... point me in that direction ... I can't find it ... looking ...

32 Steffan  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:57pm

re: #5 SasquatchOnSteroids

What ? No love child of Uncle Fester and Cousin It ? What to choose...

I was under the impression that the Luapnor is Uncle Fester with a toupee.

Does anybody know if he's ever co-sponsored a bill with Kucinich?

One good Area 51 escapee deserves another, I'd think...

/

33 BignJames  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:52:59pm

He's not dangerous....the people that buy into his schtick....they're dangerous.

34 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:53:02pm

I voted for Ron Paul before I voted against Ron Paul.

35 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:53:25pm

Bet me he's an anti vaccination loon.......

36 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:53:36pm

re: #20 WhiteRasta

Is it true this guy was a real Physician?

Well, if you consider that Howard Dean was too...

37 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:53:57pm

re: #30 brookly red

thing has a thing?

So big it's got a knuckle.
/

38 mikeytrix  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:54:26pm

You gotta admit, for a political freak to come along and get the amount of coverage he's had, is pretty awesome; in an "uncle we never talk about kind of way."

He's just so weird, it's a marvel.

39 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:54:38pm

re: #36 livefreeor die

I thought it was Dean's wife who was the physician.....

40 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:54:44pm

re: #30 brookly red

thing has a thing?

I missed that Adams Family episode.

41 Macker  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:54:52pm

re: #32 Steffan

"The Addams Family started
when Uncle Fester farted,
the children are retarded,
The Ad-dams Fa-mi-ly!"

/pffft! pffft!

42 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:55:07pm

re: #33 BignJames

He's not dangerous....the people that buy into his schtick....they're dangerous.

He's dangerous because people buy it......

43 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:55:28pm

re: #35 WhiteRasta

Bet me he's an anti vaccination loon.......

How did you guess?

[Link: www.google.com...]

44 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:55:53pm

re: #39 WhiteRasta

I thought it was Dean's wife who was the physician.....

I don't know about her but he was/is. I can't remember what kind. Somehow I doubt it involved brain surgery.

45 ArmyWife  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:55:57pm

Aren't 1 and 4 the same thing?

46 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:56:51pm

re: #43 Charles

Anyone that openly kooky has got to buy into any other rubbish, too..Just a wild guess.

47 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:57:07pm

re: #43 Charles

How did you guess?

[Link: www.google.com...]

An anti-vax doctor?!? Ay, chihuahua.

48 Steffan  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:58:16pm

re: #43 Charles

I think that one's a no-brainer, considering his other, um, "pursuits"....

49 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 5:59:34pm

re: #44 livefreeor die

Good one! LOL.

50 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:00:15pm

and 8% are pro nor laup some one get the pesticide

51 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:00:22pm

What I find worrisome is that some people are actually voting for him here in a positive light. *shudder*

52 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:00:53pm

re: #51 BlueCanuck

GMTA

53 ArmyWife  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:01:02pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

My chihuahuas would like to file an official complaint. The prefer not to be associated with kooks, even as an exclamation. As they are blue bloods, not to mention infinitely more sensible (and handsome) than Ron Paul, you understand the possible ramifications to their reputations.

54 Tarkus289  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:01:14pm

re: #51 BlueCanuck

Wasn't me.

55 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:01:35pm

re: #51 BlueCanuck

What I find worrisome is that some people are actually voting for him here in a positive light. *shudder*

I voted Ron Paul, nostalgia for all the polls where Charles would put in Ron Paul as an option, no matter what the poll was about.

56 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:02:23pm

re: #51 BlueCanuck

Stinkie sockpuppets.....

57 wrenchwench  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:02:54pm

re: #53 ArmyWife

My chihuahuas would like to file an official complaint. The prefer not to be associated with kooks, even as an exclamation. As they are blue bloods, not to mention infinitely more sensible (and handsome) than Ron Paul, you understand the possible ramifications to their reputations.

Lo siento mucho a sus Chihuahuas.

58 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:02:55pm

NOR LAUP VS RAT PUKEANAN lets have a poll who is worst?

59 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:03:12pm

re: #53 ArmyWife

My chihuahuas would like to file an official complaint. The prefer not to be associated with kooks, even as an exclamation. As they are blue bloods, not to mention infinitely more sensible (and handsome) than Ron Paul, you understand the possible ramifications to their reputations.

Cool. I have a JR/Chihuahua rescue. MIL's present to our son.
Very smart. He can bark in French !

60 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:04:38pm

re: #59 SasquatchOnSteroids

Cool. I have a JR/Chihuahua rescue. MIL's present to our son.
Very smart. He can bark in French !

SoS ... please post video ... merci beaucoup ... (sorry "O" it is the only french I know) ...

61 freetoken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:04:49pm

re: #15 Charles

Consider Ron Paul to be the "Kevin Bacon" of politics and the social fringe. However, instead of needing 6 degrees to get to every kook, 2 or less usually suffice.

62 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:05:52pm

Worse, Ron Paul is the guy who won his GOP primary last fall after the Stormfront and racist newsletters got widespread coverage. He won the primary after his idiotic/anti-semitic/anti-American views on 9/11 and foreign policy came to light.

I still can't believe the majority of folks who voted in that GOP primary supported him. It's about the same as the PA voters re-elected Jack Murtha after he called them racist rednecks.

63 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:05:57pm

re: #16 JCM

The Gold Standard is a great idea!

As genies go, it'd be easier to stuff the nuclear one back in the bottle.

/and why don't the crazies understand that gold based currency is "fiat" currency too, gold, paper, it still boils down to popular belief in it's worth

64 Sharmuta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:06:24pm

re: #22 Charles

I voted 'dangerous kook'. This is starting to really not be funny any more.

There's nothing funny about advocating disruptive changes to a functional society. The flaws in the system don't require such drastic solutions.

65 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:08:27pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

It was Ok, seemed like sort of a time killer preparing for the season finale. Locke's plan to kill Jacob is interesting but killing people in Lost has become a little dull. They can always come back. Linus reminds me of Smeagol now. What did you think?

I will tell you after the closer. Currently I am having some big problems with the writing, seems very chaotic, characters are making really off the wall strange choices, out of the norm, but that may be the point, so, I need to see how they wrap this up for this season.

66 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:09:00pm

Paul's dalliances with 9/11 troofers and Code-Pink esque foreign policy views are all that's needed to put me off of him, and I was aware of this when Rudy smacked him down at the GOP debates after basically saying America had 9/11 coming to it.

I have liberal relatives who were urging me to vote for him last year.....which should speak volumes right there.

67 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:09:43pm

re: #64 Sharmuta

Millions of otherwise rational Americans voted for "change".

68 Dahveed  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:11:27pm

Ron Paul is scary unto himself (and a dangerous kook). I'm more afraid of his idiot supporters that hang on his every word. They are what send shivers down my spine.

69 Sharmuta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:11:34pm

re: #67 WhiteRasta

Millions of otherwise rational Americans voted for "change".

Yes- but the underlying thought process isn't limited to the left-wing.

70 freetoken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:12:07pm

re: #67 WhiteRasta

Millions of otherwise rational Americans voted for "change".

Which meant "Not a Republican."

71 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:12:09pm

re: #62 funky chicken

Worse, Ron Paul is the guy who won his GOP primary last fall after the Stormfront and racist newsletters got widespread coverage. He won the primary after his idiotic/anti-semitic/anti-American views on 9/11 and foreign policy came to light.

I still can't believe the majority of folks who voted in that GOP primary supported him. It's about the same as the PA voters re-elected Jack Murtha after he called them racist rednecks.

There's a lot of crazy loose in the world.

72 SteveC  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:12:09pm

Ron Paul's supporters would rather 2 million Americans die.

A few months ago we got the Congenital Heart Futures Act introduced into both houses of Congress. This bill would instruct the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to tabulate a national registry of patients living with Congenital Heart Defects, conduct an educational campaign, and designate heart defects as a chronic illness that requires lifelong care. It would also instruct the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to authorize funds exclusively for research into Congenital Heart Defect causes and prevention. The estimated cost of this bill would be 20 million per year.

The Paulians didn't like the fact that THEIR money was going to be spent on something not authorized by the Constitution. They included the Act in their list of egregious bills (S621 and HR1570) I answered with a blog post of my own and the war was on - fought in the comment section of their blog. Note how their standard answer (their only answer) is "The Constitution doesn't allow that!"

I accept the fact that my life span will probably not be "four score" because of my heart, but why limit other's lifetimes, just because you don't like it? I always thought that the opportunity to save a life is a gift that you don't squander.

This man and his people are, at the least, gravely misguided.

73 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:13:30pm

The Democrats could have run any blithering idiot and would have won..... Oops, never mind.

74 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:13:57pm

Only slightly off topic, since Scientology's PACs and advocacy groups tell Republican cult members to vote for Ron Paul:

WSMV4: Laws Broken In Scientology Church Security
There's three videos here. One is the video of the incident. The two others are the news reports.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- There are problems with how security for a Nashville Scientology event was handled, and laws appear to have been broken.

In a home video, a group of protesters walk toward the Church of Scientology on the day of the church's grand opening and are stopped by security guards, who knock one protester to the ground and have him arrested for criminal trespass.

The altercation happened 400 yards from the church, on the other side of the street.

Public Works pulled all of the permits taken out for the Scientology event. The permits -- all of them for sidewalk closing and lane blocking -- are for the wrong day. They're for the day before the event and expire before the scuffle occurred.

In addition, three of the five security guards were off-duty Spring Hill police officers working in Nashville, which can only be done if local police are notified and officers are wearing uniforms clearly identifying them as off-duty police officers.


More at the link

So let's sum up (includes some information not reported in the media, as an LGF "exclusive":
- The arrest/assault took place outside the rented area (the part of the street they had a permit to close)
- It was also outside the posted signs (the signs were placed properly, the first says the left lane is closed, while the sign at Olympia says the sidewalk is closed)
- The street closure permit had EXPIRED (see the newest video report for scan)
- The protestors were approached quickly and not given any explanation. The time from approachment to "arrest" was only a few seconds. (see incident video)
- The protestors removed their masks and put down their cameras when the guards told them to, even if they had no right to order them to do that. (Thankfully, one of the protestors kept the recording going even if she had put the camera down around her neck. The footage is shaky.)
- The protestor who was taken by the guard, was facing away and trying to leave when taken down.
- The protestor was injured - probably not seriously but there were cuts and bruises.
- The responsible person told the city's Public Works Division afterwards that the arrest had taken place inside the posted area (a lie)
- The guards also might have lied to the MPD officer who came to act on the guards' citizens' arrest. (The MPD wrote a citation which only made sense if the guards lied to the officer or the officer was complicit.)
- The guards did not notify the MPD of their presence as the law requires. (see second report)
- Their uniforms might not have been proper. (see second report)
- A scientology spokesperson admits that they had told the guards that the masked people were terrorists and to deal with them as harshly as possible
- But photos show the same Scientology spokesperson joking around with masked protestors earlier this year, even carrying one of their signs for a laugh. (Not yet reported in the media.)

- Bonus: While all this drama was going on outside, one "Anonymous" participant was inside the party as an invited guest, was eating their food and taking photographs.

75 Randall Gross  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:14:30pm

Dangerous kook and getting much too old to run in 2012

76 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:14:39pm

I am tired of hosts adopting nuts as fellow travelers. Paul, Geller, Buchanan.... they are not necessary, even if they are 'good' television.

77 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:15:12pm

No Luap Nor option in the poll?

/ah, memories

78 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:15:17pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

There's a lot of crazy loose in the world.

Indeed

79 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:15:20pm

re: #72 SteveC

Ron Paul's supporters would rather 2 million Americans die.

A few months ago we got the Congenital Heart Futures Act introduced into both houses of Congress. This bill would instruct the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to tabulate a national registry of patients living with Congenital Heart Defects, conduct an educational campaign, and designate heart defects as a chronic illness that requires lifelong care. It would also instruct the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to authorize funds exclusively for research into Congenital Heart Defect causes and prevention. The estimated cost of this bill would be 20 million per year.

The Paulians didn't like the fact that THEIR money was going to be spent on something not authorized by the Constitution. They included the Act in their list of egregious bills (S621 and HR1570) I answered with a blog post of my own and the war was on - fought in the comment section of their blog. Note how their standard answer (their only answer) is "The Constitution doesn't allow that!"

I accept the fact that my life span will probably not be "four score" because of my heart, but why limit other's lifetimes, just because you don't like it? I always thought that the opportunity to save a life is a gift that you don't squander.

This man and his people are, at the least, gravely misguided.

What else would you expect from an anti-vaxer. The Texas Medical Board should yank his medical license. He's not fit to be a doctor.

80 WhiteRasta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:15:41pm

goodnight and G-d bless.

81 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:16:25pm

re: #75 Thanos

Dangerous kook and getting much too old to run in 2012

One would hope, but Nader keeps trying.

82 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:16:52pm

re: #80 WhiteRasta

goodnight and G-d bless.

Same to you.
I'll take your seat. I just arrived.

83 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:17:42pm

Everybody out of the house there's a lobster Ron Paulian loose!

//

84 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:18:12pm

re: #63 Killian Bundy

As genies go, it'd be easier to stuff the nuclear one back in the bottle.

/and why don't the crazies understand that gold based currency is "fiat" currency too, gold, paper, it still boils down to popular belief in it's worth

Maybe a gold stopper will keep the nuclear genie in it's bottle!

Confidence, an economy is all about confidence. Is the government / economic system stable for the long term for me to reasonable put my capital into play and expect a return.

In failed states, people can't even plant a crop and have a reasonable expectation of a return.

For the last 300 year in this country we had had the confidence in the system we developed to invest in and expect multigenerational returns.

Suddenly the current administration is upsetting that system saying we need a new economic foundation. He's telling secured debt holders to go fish, taking over entire industries.

Not only that he's upsetting the international status quo both economically and politically and expect a positive response in the confidence levels?

Gah! Bad mojo for economics for a couple of years.

85 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:18:47pm

re: #70 freetoken

Which meant "Not a Republican."

/more specifically, "Sweet revenge for eight years of Boosh Hitler and his little Darth Cheney too"

86 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:18:52pm

nor laup vs rat pukeanan

87 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:18:58pm

"Awesome"

In the sense that I have a fruitcake someone gave me in 1998 that remains a perfectly preserved piece of toasty, fruit-laden nastiness. I have kept it as a sort of cultural curiosity, just waiting for it to degrade. It has not. Time to trash it I reckon.

Time for the GOP to take out the trash as well is kind of what I am thinking.

88 ArchangelMichael  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:18:59pm

re: #8 Guanxi88

Garmonbozia!

Upding for obscure Twin Peaks reference.

89 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:19:56pm

re: #74 MagnaniomousCoward

In the video the permits were listed as for 'Sciencetology'...even if the date were correct would that invalidate them?

I am a member of a church (Mormon) that is regularly called a cult and protesters stand right outside the gates of the meeting places and carry on. we do not need to run them off. Sidewalk's public. Scientology is way too thinned skinned.

90 LGoPs  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:20:33pm

re: #87 The Shadow Do

"Awesome"

In the sense that I have a fruitcake someone gave me in 1998 that remains a perfectly preserved piece of toasty, fruit-laden nastiness. I have kept it as a sort of cultural curiosity, just waiting for it to degrade. It has not. Time to trash it I reckon.

Time for the GOP to take out the trash as well is kind of what I am thinking.

Friut cakes have a half life, just like radioactive isotopes.......

91 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:20:51pm

re: #88 ArchangelMichael

Upding for obscure Twin Peaks reference.

I didn't get it, I gonna go have some cherry pie...

92 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:21:29pm
93 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:22:10pm

re: #92 Iron Fist

nor laup and the zero feel the same way on that.

94 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:22:38pm
95 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:23:01pm

re: #89 coquimbojoe

In the video the permits were listed as for 'Sciencetology'...even if the date were correct would that invalidate them?

I am a member of a church (Mormon) that is regularly called a cult and protesters stand right outside the gates of the meeting places and carry on. we do not need to run them off. Sidewalk's public. Scientology is way too thinned skinned.

Where do they protest Mormons? I live in Texas and pass a TEMPLE on the way to my church. One of the regular places is five minutes from my front door. I could practically be in Utahrrrr. Never heard a squeak.

;)

96 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:23:01pm

re: #89 coquimbojoe

In the video the permits were listed as for 'Sciencetology'...even if the date were correct would that invalidate them?

I am a member of a church (Mormon) that is regularly called a cult and protesters stand right outside the gates of the meeting places and carry on. we do not need to run them off. Sidewalk's public. Scientology is way too thinned skinned.

Thinned skinned? They are a dangerous organization which has used intimidation and violence many times in the past.

The best anti-scientology website...

[Link: www.xenu.net...]

97 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:23:18pm

If Ron Paul becomes mainstream in the Republican party, we will officially have two very loony parties and no sane ones.

98 freetoken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:23:51pm

re: #75 Thanos

Which brings up a good question. Who will Paul's disciple(s) be?

If Ron Paul can be considered the disciple of Larry McDonald, who is tagged to be the next torch carrier?

99 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:24:09pm

re: #90 LGoPs

Friut cakes have a half life, just like radioactive isotopes.......

Denser than Uranium. Half life of Cobalt 60....

And they expect us to EAT IT?

/;-P

100 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:24:14pm

re: #97 Kosh's Shadow

If Ron Paul becomes mainstream in the Republican party, we will officially have two very loony parties and no sane ones.

Well, then we will just have to whig out.

101 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:24:30pm

re: #97 Kosh's Shadow

If Ron Paul becomes mainstream in the Republican party, we will officially have two very loony parties and no sane ones.

Do you think Luap Nor will beat the old money old boy system?

I don't.

He might make it work harder for a while, but he ain't gettin' any younger.

102 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:26:04pm

re: #99 JCM

Denser than Uranium. Half life of Cobalt 60....

And they expect us to EAT IT?

/;-P

I love Collins Street Bakery fruit cakes.

No Luap Nor in those. Never had it, never will!

/ah-ha-ha-ah

103 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:26:32pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Well, then we will just have to whig out.

Get whiggy with it, Walter!

/

104 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:27:03pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

Do you think Luap Nor will beat the old money old boy system?

I don't.

He might make it work harder for a while, but he ain't gettin' any younger.

I hope you're right. The problem is, the MFMSM is practically the PR department for the Democrats, and they'll do what they can to make the Republicans look crazy.

105 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:27:12pm
106 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:27:53pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I see "Luap Nor" I think of ancient ruins.

In Cambodia? Me, too.

107 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:28:29pm
108 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:28:36pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I see "Luap Nor" I think of ancient ruins.

... some where in Burma.

109 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:28:51pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I see "Luap Nor" I think of ancient ruins.

He is kind of an ancient ruin, come to think of it.

110 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:29:14pm

re: #98 freetoken

Which brings up a good question. Who will Paul's disciple(s) be?

If Ron Paul can be considered the disciple of Larry McDonald, who is tagged to be the next torch carrier?

Oh look! Another conspiracy!

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:29:18pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I see "Luap Nor" I think of ancient ruins.

Well, he's ancient, and his policies lead to ruin, so it works.

112 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:29:36pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I see "Luap Nor" I think of ancient ruins.

I think of the Chinese test site.....

Things going all spoldy!

113 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:30:11pm
114 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:30:11pm

re: #99 JCM

Denser than Uranium. Half life of Cobalt 60....

And they expect us to EAT IT?

/;-P

No, they expect us to give them as Christmas smackdowns.
A safe way to say "F*** You".
The Hallmark way of giving you the bird.

but that's just me. never touch the stuff.

115 Koyaanistaaqa  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:30:45pm

re: #107 Iron Fist

At the Mountains of Madness...

That Ron Paul closely resembles Timothy Leary merely a coincidence? I think not!

/Conspiracy!

116 SteveC  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:31:20pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Whenever I see "Luap Nor" I think of ancient ruins.

"This is Marlon Perkins, for Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. Today we are hunting for the beady-eyed weasel, who lives exclusively in the ruins of Laup Nor. The beady-eyed weasel is often easily identifiled by the large streak of yellow that runs down his back..."

117 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:31:46pm
118 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:32:15pm

re: #117 Iron Fist

Start with a 12 gague and a couple of molotovs. If you can't explain "Fuck You" with that, you need some kind of new age communication course :-)

Well, it's family, you have to be NICE !

119 Capitalistincharge  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:32:23pm

Greetings Lizards! The problem is that the GOP is up for grabs right now. Since there is no real conservative leadership (a Reaganesk hero type), the doors have been left open for the right-wing extremists to vie for the top ideological position.

120 swamprat  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:32:27pm

I wish I could muster more interest in the vax controversy. I heard a NPR "brought-to-you-by" that mentioned "safer medications"...with no further elaboration.

If we can reduce the side-effects of any medication, wonderful!

*****!BUT!*****

Not vaccinating your children is like letting them starve in order to avoid food additives; at some point you need to get your priorities in line,

or get your ass kicked.

121 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:33:04pm

re: #114 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #117 Iron Fist

Manitou Fruitcake Toss Omega 380 Shot

122 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:33:07pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Luap Nor wants

Bucks backed with gold

But his program

Leaves me cold

Burma Shave.

Your a pushover, no surprises from you, I know just what pushes your buttons :)

123 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:33:19pm

re: #89 coquimbojoe

In the video the permits were listed as for 'Sciencetology'...even if the date were correct would that invalidate them?

I am a member of a church (Mormon) that is regularly called a cult and protesters stand right outside the gates of the meeting places and carry on. we do not need to run them off. Sidewalk's public. Scientology is way too thinned skinned.

Exactly. It's not their beliefs that are causing problems, but exactly this kind of behaviour. The word "cult" for me does not necessarily hold a negative meaning, because you can have a "cult" without it being a harmful system of mind control.

I know too little about the LDS to render an informed opinion on it, but I think my view is that the LDS is not a cult but there might be cults inside it, just like there are cults within mainstream christianity.

My own church sometimes gets protested against (I'm a protestant Christian), and what we do is go out and have calm and respectful conversations with the protesters. I'm just apalled that they get to call themselves "church" with this behaviour, but since the US even has the Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the Church of Satan as "legitiate" organizations, I guess we'll let that pass. It's the abusive behaviour and litigiousness that upsets me.

124 freetoken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:33:47pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Oh look! Another conspiracy!

Yeah... I know. McDonald's last interview with Pat Buchanan is on Google Video, if anyone is interested in watching it.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:33:52pm

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

"Blowback"

*SPIT!*

126 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:33:54pm

re: #107 Iron Fist

At the Mountains of Madness...

Watch out for the shoggoth.

127 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:34:56pm

re: #119 Capitalistincharge

Greetings Lizards! The problem is that the GOP is up for grabs right now. Since there is no real conservative leadership (a Reaganesk hero type), the doors have been left open for the right-wing extremists to vie for the top ideological position.

Why do we need a hero? How about a clear thinking conservative. If we keep looking for heros all the time, we may miss a respectable and eligible politician.

128 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:35:00pm
129 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:35:39pm

re: #123 MagnaniomousCoward

just like there are cults within mainstream christianity.

I meant to say that there are cults within Christianity at large. I guess no "cult" is mainstream by definition.

I just don't want to give any judgement about if LDS is part of it or not. As I said, I know too little about it.

130 freetoken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:36:17pm

re: #119 Capitalistincharge

Since there is no real conservative leadership (a Reaganesk hero type), the doors have been left open for the right-wing extremists to vie for the top ideological position.

The fringe "right-wing" have been vying to control the GOP since the 1950's. Jack Welch started the JBS in part because of that Republican, President Eisenhower.

131 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:36:22pm

Ron Paul: nuttier than squirrel poo.

132 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:37:06pm

re: #128 buzzsawmonkey

Shoggoth carpeting was really big in the 1970s.

But if you didn't keep it clean, it would grow fungi from Yuggoth.

133 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:37:32pm

re: #92 Iron Fist

I'm not having real luck with the home network tonight. Sufice it to say that Ron Paul does not give the place to American Exceptionalism that should be given. He doesn't want us to be first among nations. I'm not sure that he wants us to be in the top 100 of nations.

Ron Paul and the like seem to have some strange fantasy where they take a trip to the Smithsonian and crawl into some old formaldehyde preserved organic leftover form from the the 18th century. Nuts they are.

134 SteveC  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #131 Kenneth

Ron Paul: nuttier than squirrel poo.

UPDING!

Can anybody loan me another upding? That was worth two or three!

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:38:30pm

First of all, I'd love to be athletic enough to play in the National Basketball Association.

That being said, I'd hate to be an Atlanta Hawk.

136 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:38:59pm

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

Plenty of denominations started as "cults". The ones that last are based at least in part on something real & settle into a normal frame of mind. LDS has done that.

137 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:39:08pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First of all, I'd love to be athletic enough to play in the National Basketball Association.

That being said, I'd hate to be an Atlanta Hawk.

And who is Atlanta Hawk? A rap singer or something.

138 Randall Gross  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:39:14pm

re: #119 Capitalistincharge

Greetings Lizards! The problem is that the GOP is up for grabs right now. Since there is no real conservative leadership (a Reaganesk hero type), the doors have been left open for the right-wing extremists to vie for the top ideological position.

Reagan wasn't a hero when he started, and he was roundly panned by the same groups pimping Paul now. They considered him a turncoat Democrat moderate, a hollywood liberal, and a non conservative.

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:39:42pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Hey Bud!

140 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:39:58pm

re: #134 SteveC

It's a British expression. Fits perfectly for him.

141 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:40:56pm

re: #89 coquimbojoe

In the video the permits were listed as for 'Sciencetology'...even if the date were correct would that invalidate them?

To answer your specific question: No it wouldn't. It's obviously just a clerical error of some kind. What really matters is the
- Date
- Exact area

Because that is what encraches on the public. Misspelling the entity renting is not a fundamental flaw.

The name of one of the streets is also mis-spelled, because they mix up Olympic street with Olympia street, but that doesn't matter, in my view, because it's just another mistype which is clearly understood by a reasonable person. Since there is only one street in Nashville with that name, there is no legitimate cause for confusion.

142 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:41:03pm

re: #124 freetoken

Yeah... I know. McDonald's last interview with Pat Buchanan is on Google Video, if anyone is interested in watching it.

The kooks probably buy it of course. KAL 007 -- all souls on board lost for a total of 269. Wouldn't you know Jesses Helms stuck his nose into this.

143 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:41:09pm

Wow! I got 7 updings in less than 1 minute!

144 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:41:49pm

re: #129 MagnaniomousCoward

I meant to say that there are cults within Christianity at large. I guess no "cult" is mainstream by definition.

I just don't want to give any judgement about if LDS is part of it or not. As I said, I know too little about it.

My church organization has been called a cult. That's died off but in the 70's it was listed as such in a number of mainstream christian publications. After our leaders talked with most of them, and went over our doctrines all but a couple dropped the cult label. Those that persisted also included other accusations beside merely being a cult. After literally a decade or more of trying to work things out between christian brothers a libel suit was filed and won.

For the record I'm to ornery, and independent minded to be told to do anything, I wouldn't last 30 seconds in a cult and have been fellowshipping 20 years with the group.

As to the LDS, I don't call them a cult. Do have have doctrinal differences with them? Sure, but not a cult in the common definition of the word.

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:41:52pm

re: #143 Kenneth

Steve's out there pimpin' for ya.

146 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:42:09pm

re: #87 The Shadow Do

Nah, take it to work and leave it there.

I once had a teacher that kept a three year old KFC drumstick in his desk. It also did not rot.

147 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #131 Kenneth

Ron Paul: nuttier than squirrel poo.

LOL!

148 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:43:38pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm my own pimp...

149 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:44:36pm

re: #136 Kenneth

Plenty of denominations started as "cults". The ones that last are based at least in part on something real & settle into a normal frame of mind. LDS has done that.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but as I said I know too little about the LDS.

150 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:44:40pm

re: #146 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, take it to work and leave it there.

I once had a teacher that kept a three year old KFC drumstick in his desk. It also did not rot.

I had a bio prof with a collection of Hostess products with some really old expiration dates, including a 25 year old Twinkle no mold still a little soft.

151 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:44:47pm

re: #144 JCM

...For the record I'm to ornery, and independent minded to be told to do anything, I wouldn't last 30 seconds in a cult and have been fellowshipping 20 years with the group...

Those are famous last words. Studies have shown that almost anyone can become enamored by a cult. Actually, the smarter you are, the more likely you could become a member of a cult.

I was a member of a cult, and I saw doctors and lawyers and all sorts of professional people join and stay.

152 The False God  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:45:09pm

Ron Paul is...

Ron Paul.

It's the answer to every question in life.

153 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:45:23pm
154 Sharmuta  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:45:41pm

re: #119 Capitalistincharge

Greetings Lizards! The problem is that the GOP is up for grabs right now. Since there is no real conservative leadership (a Reaganesk hero type), the doors have been left open for the right-wing extremists to vie for the top ideological position.

I don't think we need a hero- we need a person who articulates conservatism.

155 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:45:41pm
156 sngnsgt  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:46:14pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

LOL!

Yup, I had a chuckle @ that one too. ;-) I gotta steal that one.

157 Archimedes  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:46:14pm

I'm starting to wonder if there is any hope for the GOP.

158 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:46:20pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Those are famous last words. Studies have shown that almost anyone can become enamored by a cult. Actually, the smarter you are, the more likely you could become a member of a cult.

I was a member of a cult, and I saw doctors and lawyers and all sorts of professional people join and stay.

Wow! You were a Democrat?

159 JHW  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:46:27pm

David Duke is a Ron Paul supporter. Enough said.

160 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:46:35pm

Bob Barr's another one.

161 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:46:41pm

re: #146 Slumbering Behemoth

I may re-gift it. I wonder if Ron Paul likes fruitcake, seems likely.

162 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:47:02pm

re: #159 JHW

David Duke is a Ron Paul supporter. Enough said.

David Duke is an athletic supporter.

163 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:47:03pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Those are famous last words. Studies have shown that almost anyone can become enamored by a cult. Actually, the smarter you are, the more likely you could become a member of a cult.

I was a member of a cult, and I saw doctors and lawyers and all sorts of professional people join and stay.

WLN ... you are so right ... I lost a couple of friends in the 70s to the krishnas ... their families could not get them to come out ... never heard from them again ... they were both professionals ... could not believe it ...

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:47:08pm

re: #158 Kenneth

Wow! You were a Democrat?

I should give you a down ding :)

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:47:37pm

re: #159 JHW

Please don't go there. He probably also supported Ronald Maximus.

166 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:48:00pm

Shit happens
The pendulum swings
The circle goes round
The tide goes in and out
The sun rises & sets
Stuff goes around
It all comes back in the end

167 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:48:05pm
168 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:48:15pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

David Duke is an athletic supporterATHLETIC SUPPORTER.

hemorid supasatory

FTFY

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:48:18pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Tell you what. You down-ding him... I'll up-ding and cancel it out. It'll make us both feel good and it won't matter.

170 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:48:52pm

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks for the insight. Really.

171 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:48:52pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

David Duke is an athletic supporter.

Davie Dukes -- hot pants for klanner kooks.

//

172 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:49:04pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Those are famous last words. Studies have shown that almost anyone can become enamored by a cult. Actually, the smarter you are, the more likely you could become a member of a cult.

I was a member of a cult, and I saw doctors and lawyers and all sorts of professional people join and stay.

LOL! That may be true.

In my case I had come to a lot of the positions about the Bible and spirituality before I bumped into them. They didn't convince me of anything, merely confirmed it.

Also they've never demanded anything, monetary, behavior, or relationship wise. Which to me are the biggest warning flags.

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:49:09pm

re: #161 The Shadow Do

I like cake.

174 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:49:28pm

re: #168 yochanan

hemorid supasatory

FTFY

hemorrhoid suppository

/Sneak up behind Luap Nor, stick it where de sun don't shine, he might disappear!

175 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:49:57pm

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

What are we, a fricken duet?

176 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:50:33pm

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like cake.

INFIDEL! Pie is teh wun tru dizzert!

177 Capitalistincharge  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:50:42pm

Ok, maybe hero wasn't the right word. What I'm getting at is someone who is a true conservative, dedicated to conservative values. In which case if he/she has the ability to bring "conservative" and "republican" back together again, would emerge a hero down the line.

178 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:50:48pm

re: #174 OldLineTexan

HOW ever you spell it he is still a a-hole

179 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:50:58pm

re: #176 OldLineTexan

Behead those who dis pie!

180 LGoPs  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:51:04pm

Later lizards.

181 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:51:19pm

re: #157 Archimedes

I'm starting to wonder if there is any hope for the GOP.

Bring the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives. Also bring those social conservatives who are commited to the constitution and are not bigots. Have a lithmus test for supporting evolution and never allying with fascists and racists. This won't really lead to any loss. George W. Bush passes that test, for example.

The people who would be left out of the tent is the people who scare voters away anyway.

182 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:52:18pm

re: #179 Kenneth

Behead those who dis pie!

You can DIE from lack of PIE!

/oh my, he must have PIE

/50 qatloos, name the cartoon characters in that exchange

183 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:52:41pm

re: #172 JCM

LOL! That may be true.

In my case I had come to a lot of the positions about the Bible and spirituality before I bumped into them. They didn't convince me of anything, merely confirmed it.

Also they've never demanded anything, monetary, behavior, or relationship wise. Which to me are the biggest warning flags.

I wasn't talking about your group, I know who you fellowship with.

There are a number of cults that are benign, but still a cult. I know some people who actually have been benefited by certain cults, because these were people who got through life much better with the rigid controls a cult offers.

184 JHW  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:52:55pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're probably right, but there's this convergence of all these groups that were mentioned in the previous article that show they are mutually supporting.

185 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:52:56pm
186 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:53:01pm

re: #179 Kenneth

Behead those who dis pie!

I hereby call for a Pietwah!

Inshala!

//

187 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:53:18pm

re: #178 yochanan

HOW ever you spell it he is still a a-hole

But if he has a hemorrhoid, he is not a PERFECT asshole!

/

188 yochanan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:53:24pm

acme anvil co?

beep beep

189 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:53:42pm

My head is hurting, my tummy is still yucky, I'm going to nap. Maybe I'll wake up in the middle of the night and see you on the overnight thread.

190 SteveC  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:53:49pm

Later, Lizards! May the sun shine on your scales until we meet again! :)

191 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:54:13pm

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like cake.

Cake good.
'cept fruitcake of course.

Me like:
chocolate
spice
white (not a racist)
carrot
etc
etc
but, NOT FRUIT

192 Kenneth  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:54:14pm

re: #186 Gus 802

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

(thinking of the missus's peach pie)

g'night all

193 brookly red  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:54:36pm

re: #182 OldLineTexan

You can DIE from lack of PIE!

/oh my, he must have PIE

/50 qatloos, name the cartoon characters in that exchange

Heckel & Jeckel?

194 freetoken  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:54:39pm

re: #177 Capitalistincharge

true conservative

There is that phrase again...

195 jdog29  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:54:47pm

Ron Paul is looking like the Ross Perot of 2012. Maybe if we're lucky we'd have Rudy/Mitt as the Republican ticket, Ron Paul/Ozzy as the Constitution party ticket and rounding out the field insuring the Democrats carry every state.... drumroll,,,,,, Palin/Huckabee on the American Values party ticket.

196 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:55:06pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't talking about your group, I know who you fellowship with.

There are a number of cults that are benign, but still a cult. I know some people who actually have been benefited by certain cults, because these were people who got through life much better with the rigid controls a cult offers.

Can't argue with that, I know a few people who converted to Islam (not calling Islam a cult [another whole discussion there] ) because of he structure it provides.

197 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:56:07pm

re: #193 brookly red

close to the right era

198 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:56:08pm
199 looking closely  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:56:24pm

The problem with Paul is that he supports a lot of things that are otherwise reasonable (like limited gov't).

His reasonableness on those issues masks his lunacy on others.

But he's barely a Republican. IIRC he's run for office as a Libertarian before.

200 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #195 jdog29

Ron Paul is looking like the Ross Perot of 2012. Maybe if we're lucky we'd have Rudy/Mitt as the Republican ticket, Ron Paul/Ozzy as the Constitution party ticket and rounding out the field insuring the Democrats carry every state.... drumroll,,,,,, Palin/Huckabee on the American Values party ticket.

If you're equating Palin with Huckabee, I have to wonder where you get your "information".

201 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:57:32pm

Ron Paul!? I thought you said RuPaul! I would vote for it! (he? she? it? shit?)

202 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:57:44pm

re: #195 jdog29

Congratulations! You have earned tonight's Pessimist Annoyance Award:

SMACK!

203 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:58:19pm

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

By the same token, I look around at the Democrats and find many of the same problems. Identity politics, and all the rest comes into play. Throw in the anti- Semites who have a voice and regularly espouse it, to say nothing of the innate desire of many on the left who throw their support to terrorists and undermine the rights of a nation to defend itself against those very terrorists.

It makes it tough to find a party in which to believe in. Or trust.

Heck, just take a gander at who the Democrats have on tap in NJ with the governor's race. It's the good, bad, and ugly. A real motley crew.

204 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:58:48pm

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

Things could be verse.

Ron Paul should remember his medical training better:
First do no harmony.

205 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:58:58pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Those are famous last words. Studies have shown that almost anyone can become enamored by a cult. Actually, the smarter you are, the more likely you could become a member of a cult.

I was a member of a cult, and I saw doctors and lawyers and all sorts of professional people join and stay.

I partially agree, partially disagree.
Being hard-headed, independent and stubborn does protect you from joining a destructive cult, except if they can exploit that part of your personality.

You are absolutely right that intelligence is no protector against joining a cult, and that it might even make it worse. The amount of doublethink you need to use to stay in a destructive mind control cult taxes the mind, and people with less tolerance for mumbo-jumbo may call BS on it sooner.

The most dangerous thing you can do is to think you're not open to mind control. You have to watch out for it all the time.
Scientologists are convinced that they are thinking for themselves when tehy accept cult teachings, and they are also told that they as Scientologists are immune to brainwashing. Psychiatrists are held out as being the brainwashers.

(Hubbard even wrote a book on brainwashing and published it under the name of Beria.)

So beware the man who says you are immune to his control.

206 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 6:59:42pm
207 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:01:15pm

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Rossperot? Look forward to a veritable Shakespearean Tempest.

"Oh, brave new world, that has such people in it!"

He might branch off to a third party if he cannot get anywhere with the Republicans...then, he would be H. Ross Jr. A third party spoiler that guarantees a Democrat will win.

208 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:02:30pm

Hello lizards!

What have I missed today?

209 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:02:45pm

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

My head is hurting, my tummy is still yucky, I'm going to nap. Maybe I'll wake up in the middle of the night and see you on the overnight thread.


Good night.

My family has a saying that sleep is the best medicine for many things.

210 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:02:59pm

re: #208 njdhockeyfan

Hello lizards!

What have I missed today?

RON PAUL

211 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:03:08pm

Lots of batshit crazy on the downstairs thread.

212 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:03:10pm
213 BignJames  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:03:29pm

re: #208 njdhockeyfan

Hello lizards!

What have I missed today?

Free chicken?

214 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:04:02pm

re: #74 MagnaniomousCoward

Only slightly off topic, since Scientology's PACs and advocacy groups tell Republican cult members to vote for Ron Paul:

yuck and yuck

215 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:04:13pm
216 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:04:14pm

re: #208 njdhockeyfan

Hello lizards!

What have I missed today?

Stinky playing whack-a-troll on the downstairs thread.

217 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:04:20pm

re: #203 lawhawk

By the same token, I look around at the Democrats and find many of the same problems. Identity politics, and all the rest comes into play. Throw in the anti- Semites who have a voice and regularly espouse it, to say nothing of the innate desire of many on the left who throw their support to terrorists and undermine the rights of a nation to defend itself against those very terrorists.

It makes it tough to find a party in which to believe in. Or trust.

Heck, just take a gander at who the Democrats have on tap in NJ with the governor's race. It's the good, bad, and ugly. A real motley crew.

What is the scoop on Chris Christie on the (R) side?

218 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:04:29pm

re: #210 MagnaniomousCoward

RON PAUL

re: #213 BignJames

Free chicken?

I'll take the chicken.

219 ernunnos  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:04:38pm

Sad thing about Ron Paul is that he's right about the economy. He's just wrong about... everything else. And unfortunately, a political candidate or party needs more than one thing, even if it is a huge thing that I care a lot about.

220 BignJames  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:05:02pm

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

De-ranged chicken.


No chicken...No peas.

221 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:05:07pm

re: #218 njdhockeyfan

I'll take the chicken.

You'll get Ron Paul and LIKE it.

/MSM

222 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:05:54pm

Check this out:

NEW U.S. ARMY T-SHIRT WITH STUNNING ARTWORK NOW AVAILABLE FROM VIRTUS APPAREL

Virtus Apparel, a Frisco, Texas based apparel company specializing in impactful U.S. Army t-shirts, today announced the launch of its latest design called "The Last Scene". The elaborate artwork on the shirt depicts the last thing a terrorist sees before leaving this earth, which is a U.S. Soldier standing over him.

"Taliban terrorists trained in Afghanistan or Pakistan will no doubt meet the same fate as the individual shown on the shirt if they mess around with our brave soliders" said Patrick Fallon, Chief Executive Officer of Virtus Apparel. "In this design, a U.S. Soldier was about to take the guy prisoner, but the terrorist pulled out a gun in a last ditch attempt to kill a brave American. Our solider was too quick for him though, sending him to meet his maker."

223 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:06:17pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

You'll get Ron Paul and LIKE it.

/MSM

You know that is who the MSM will want the Republicans to nominate so Obama will be guaranteed reelection

224 jdog29  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:06:33pm

When I see Ron Paul even as a legitimate topic of discussion, it looks like curtains for the Republicans in 2012, to say nothing of 2010. I'm not saying don't discuss Ron Paul, but just the fact that he rates discussion does not bode well for the conservatives' chances in upcoming elections.

But maybe if his views were more well known he'd become the non-factor Ralph Nader currently is on the left.

225 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:06:34pm

re: #219 ernunnos

Sad thing about Ron Paul is that he's right about the economy. He's just wrong about... everything else. And unfortunately, a political candidate or party needs more than one thing, even if it is a huge thing that I care a lot about.

stopped clock !

226 JHW  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:07:32pm

re: #217 JCM

I'm curious what other Washingtonians might think of the Dino Rossi type of Republican having any national traction in the future. I couldn't find anything paleo in his views.

227 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:08:03pm

re: #224 jdog29

When I see Ron Paul even as a legitimate topic of discussion, it looks like curtains for the Republicans in 2012, to say nothing of 2010. I'm not saying don't discuss Ron Paul, but just the fact that he rates discussion does not bode well for the conservatives' chances in upcoming elections.

But maybe if his views were more well known he'd become the non-factor Ralph Nader currently is on the left.

Except for a scant few 'Paulians" that come here to harrass the rest of us (and get duly whacked) I know of no 'republicans" that discuss him as a viable option

228 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:08:32pm

re: #222 njdhockeyfan

"Made in Pockey-stahn"

/hey Bob, where the hell is that?

229 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:08:56pm

OT, a bit of good news in the Wesleyan College shooting. The suspect in the case has turned himself in to authorities in CT.

230 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:08:59pm

re: #223 Desert Dog

Don't need to nominate him. Just promote him.

231 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:09:19pm

re: #228 OldLineTexan

"Made in Pockey-stahn"

/hey Bob, where the hell is that?

In the Turd-world

/Rep. T.T.

232 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:09:20pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Except for a scant few 'Paulians" that come here to harrass the rest of us (and get duly whacked) I know of no 'republicans" that discuss him as a viable option

So far, there have been 87 scant few who voted that they approved of him.
That surprises me.

233 David Simon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:09:42pm

WSJ op-ed does a decent job highlighting the insane Obama/Geitner plan to sock it U.S. companies with foreign subsidiaries:

The current tax-deferral system is a clumsy attempt to deal with the fact that most other countries don't tax their companies' overseas profits. A German firm doing business in Ireland, say, pays no German income tax on its Irish profits, but it does pay Ireland's corporate income tax at its 12.5% rate. The U.S. company competing with that German business in Ireland, by contrast, pays Ireland the same 12.5% on its profits -- and it then pays Uncle Sam up to 35%, minus a credit for what it paid the Irish. And because almost everyone else's corporate tax rates are lower than America's (see nearby table), U.S. companies end up paying higher taxes than their international competitors.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Let's punish companies that "ship jobs overseas" by encouraging them to ship their headquarters overseas!

234 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:09:54pm
235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:10:17pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

I'm guessin' your a Celtic fan down there in Dixie. The Hawks are being sooooo brutalized right now.

236 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:10:53pm

re: #224 jdog29

jdog29 my man, you have to let people KNOW about the crazy uncle's crazy. If you don't, THEN he can mainstream himself (with the help of the MSM).

Nope, talk about crazy uncle so the people know he's crazy.

237 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:11:18pm

Question: (And if this has been brought up already just smack me with Mandy's clue-bat. I had to speed-read to reach the end of this thread.)

Do we not audit the government departments already? I cannot imagine that we don't; it would go against every principle of good government. Why do we need an audit of the Fed? Isn't it already audited?

238 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:11:56pm

re: #216 Alouette

Stinky playing whack-a-troll on the downstairs thread.

More popping up!

239 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:12:04pm

re: #234 Iron Fist

They could play it that way. I gotta knife...

Good, 'cause the Ron Paul chicken is a little over-done tonight.

240 jdog29  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:13:17pm

re: #236 OldLineTexan

Aight, what's the shortcut to short circuiting his candidacy? How do we turn him into the Pat Buchanan of 2000? Which top three positions of his illustrate just how crazy he is?

241 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #233 David Simon

WSJ op-ed does a decent job highlighting the insane Obama/Geitner plan to sock it U.S. companies with foreign subsidiaries:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Let's punish companies that "ship jobs overseas" by encouraging them to ship their headquarters overseas!

It's amazing that so many people are mezmorized by the hopey/change president that they ignore the reality of what he's doing to the country. By the time they wake up their company will have moved to Europe.

242 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:14:41pm

re: #222 njdhockeyfan

Check this out:

NEW U.S. ARMY T-SHIRT WITH STUNNING ARTWORK NOW AVAILABLE FROM VIRTUS APPAREL

Hell, yeah! May many more terrorist see that last scene!

243 Liberal Classic  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:14:52pm

As a moderate libertarian, please allow me to say Ron Paul doesn't represent me. I cringe at his anti-Israel and anti-science views. I don't support a precious-metal monetary standard, an ostrich-like isolationism, or conspiracy theorists such as the kind at the John Birch Society. I'm simply a secular person who is pro-science, pro-defense, pro-capitalism. There's a lot of people like me with moderate libertarian leanings who are already in the Republican Party, or are independent voters.

Let me venture the opinion that a social liberal (or at least a social moderate) and fiscal conservative message may be just the thing the GOP needs. I think such a position is a much better definition for "center-right" than a social conservatism mixed with fiscal leftism. The question is how to advance this view as being non-fringe.

Right now it seems that the Republican Party is rudderless, and people are looking for a coherent message with which to counter the Democrats. A pro-science, socially moderate Republican Party could side-step many of the attacks launched by Democrats on social issues, while at the same time concentrating on countering the Democrats on economics and foreign policy. These are the issues where the Democrats really need to be countered the most, but the currently social conservative/fiscally center-left Republican Party has not be able to mount an effective opposition.

244 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:15:00pm
245 beens21  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:15:07pm

I am a Texan who grew up in a Dem family, LBJ, Sam Rayburn and Lloyd Bentsen were pols I admired(they would have no place in today's Dem party).But, I voted for Bush and McCain b/c of present Dem politics. If Ron Paul and others like him become leaders of the GOP, the GOP will crash and burn and lose many votes from folks like me.

246 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:15:32pm

re: #217 JCM

Christie's record as US Attorney is pretty good, and he's gone after corrupt politicians, which is a full time gig here in the NYC metro area. He's gotten quite a few scalps, and has more support than Steve Lonegan. I don't think he's gotten specific on his policies, which is where Lonegan has been going after him.

It's also gotten quite personal. Frankly, I think both of them are wanting, but Christie seems to have a wee bit more personal integrity than Lonegan. Lonegan strikes me as a gadfly type, and while he might have a good policy prescription here or there, he doesn't strike me governor's material. He's got to prove me wrong.

Then again, anyone running for office against Corzine (other than Boss or Bacon) would be an improvement.

To tell you the truth, the best candidate for governor isn't even running for the job. It would be Cory Booker, who's currently doing quite well fixing up the mess that is Newark. I see bright things in his future (and yes, he's a Democrat).

247 irish rose  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:15:47pm

Good evening, lizardia.

I just came home from KFC and I have a big bucket of grilled chicken for the fridge... who wants a leg?

Biscuits in here, too....

248 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:16:26pm

re: #240 jdog29

Aight, what's the shortcut to short circuiting his candidacy? How do we turn him into the Pat Buchanan of 2000? Which top three positions of his illustrate just how crazy he is?

Anti-vax is a good one.
Gold standard is another.
Isolationist foreign policy is a third.

Toss his ass out of the Republican Party and make him try being a Libertarian again.

249 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:16:40pm

Had to vote "dangerous kook" for Ron Paul. It ceased to be funny before the final primary.

Some good news in my neck of the woods tonight. They arrested Drew Peterson on murder charges (also in spinoff links).

Peterson arrested on murder warrant

Former Bolingbrook police sergeant Drew Peterson was arrested today in the death of his ex-wife, Kathleen Savio, who was found drowned in an empty bathtub in March 2004, according to Will County State's Atty. James Glasgow.

At an evening news conference, authorities said a $20 million bail was included in the arrest warrant for Peterson.

I have a bad feeling they may never find his fourth wife. This guy is a sicko, IMHO.

250 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:16:58pm

The official Ron Paul Short Bus Tour 2008.

I might have to update it for 2010. Yikes!

251 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:17:02pm

re: #232 J.D.

So far, there have been 87 scant few who voted that they approved of him.
That surprises me.

And how many of those 87 are sock puppets,,, and how many are registerd for the sole purpose of voting on Charles polls or stealth down dingers?

Amongst the 87 I say there is not ONE 'regular'

252 hazzyday  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:17:17pm

The people who latch onto Ron Paul are the ones who find a huge emotional appeal in one of his issues that makes sense to them. Then they accept all the other ideas his puts out. Just like catching a virus.

253 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:17:27pm

re: #245 beens21

I am a Texan who grew up in a Dem family, LBJ, Sam Rayburn and Lloyd Bentsen were pols I admired(they would have no place in today's Dem party).But, I voted for Bush and McCain b/c of present Dem politics. If Ron Paul and others like him become leaders of the GOP, the GOP will crash and burn and lose many votes from folks like me.

I'm sorry to say this, but Lloyd Bentsen ended his career drinking the Clinton Kool-Aid and calling for gun bans.

Screw him.

254 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:17:47pm

re: #226 JHW

I'm curious what other Washingtonians might think of the Dino Rossi type of Republican having any national traction in the future. I couldn't find anything paleo in his views.

While I like Dino, having failed to unseat the governor who stole the seat from him in the first place. I'm afraid Rossi is a dead end. I don't know about a third try.

As it is he only has his legislative record and business record to run on, while much more substantial than BHO's it's still thin.

However by '12 WA is going to be near basket case status, unless a huge nation wide turn around happens. The (D)s are driving us into the ground. Rossi might have a good shot then, but having lost twice is a problem. If he could turn it all around in '20 he would be a good candidate for POTUS he'd be 60 then, not too old to be an issue.

I really think he'd need real executive experience to be viable.

255 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:17:50pm

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm guessin' your a Celtic fan down there in Dixie. The Hawks are being sooooo brutalized right now.

Yeah ,, I'm at work doing the game for ESPN. I can hear TV sets in Atlanta clicking ESPN off right about now

256 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #244 Iron Fist

Serrated knives also tend to shred meat, rather than slice it. And you're right about sharpening them. It's a complete bear.

I have a real cheap set of knives generally, but got a nice Wustof santoku and paring knife. Those are my primary knives - excellent general purpose knives, and I try to keep the rest as sharp as possible, though I probably need to replace the rest at some point.

257 David Simon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:18:19pm

re: #241 njdhockeyfan

It's amazing that so many people are mezmorized by the hopey/change president that they ignore the reality of what he's doing to the country.

Including so many MSM people. If the Fourth Estate did its job, he wouldn't get away with that shit.

258 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:18:32pm

re: #247 irish rose

Good evening, lizardia.

I just came home from KFC and I have a big bucket of grilled chicken for the fridge... who wants a leg?

Biscuits in here, too....

That is very kind of you, but the Mrs. wanted Luby's and I am stuffed.

259 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:18:40pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

And how many of those 87 are sock puppets,,, and how many are registerd for the sole purpose of voting on Charles polls or stealth down dingers?

Amongst the 87 I say there is not ONE 'regular'

It would be interesting to know, wouldn't it?

And of course there are 'irregular regulars' and 'regular regulars'...

260 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:18:54pm

OT: Ron Paul!

261 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:19:10pm

re: #255 sattv4u2

satt ... what happened at the end of that bridge game with Gates and I forget the other guy ... did you see the whole thing ...

262 hazzyday  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:19:12pm

Blow back from other parts of the world is probably something we should accept and then negotiate and compromise with them.

263 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:19:16pm

re: #249 Honorary Yooper

Had to vote "dangerous kook" for Ron Paul. It ceased to be funny before the final primary.

Some good news in my neck of the woods tonight. They arrested Drew Peterson on murder charges (also in spinoff links).

Peterson arrested on murder warrant

I have a bad feeling they may never find his fourth wife. This guy is a sicko, IMHO.

I wonder if this affect his offer to star in a reality show by HBO?

264 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:19:28pm

re: #259 J.D.

It would be interesting to know, wouldn't it?

And of course there are 'irregular regulars' and 'regular regulars'...

I'm a 38 short!

2 suits for the price of one at K&G Mens Mart!

265 hazzyday  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:20:01pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

OT: Ron Paul!

Ron Paul is Lost! j/k

266 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:21:36pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

OT: Ron Paul!

CLASS WARFARE!

267 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:21:37pm

re: #261 JacksonTn

satt ... what happened at the end of that bridge game with Gates and I forget the other guy ... did you see the whole thing ...

Yes. It was actually a meeting of Lucadia International ( a Buffett holding company) The mall they were at is owned by the company and they were having an annual meeting at a hotel ballroom at the mall grounds

268 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:21:52pm

re: #263 njdhockeyfan

I wonder if this affect his offer to star in a reality show by HBO?

He's toast. I know the State's Attorney involved. They'll be damned if they let Peterson leave Will County.

269 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:22:35pm

re: #257 David Simon

Including so many MSM people. If the Fourth Estate did its job, he wouldn't get away with that shit.

If they did that they wouldn't have time to write about Michelle's fashion tips.

270 hazzyday  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:23:12pm

Here in washington we were flooded with the "dangers of kids gambling" commercials out of the blue. Then all of a sudden the Gov. signs and anti kids gambling initiative. Not sure if there was ever really any debate.

We are aware of the lack of integrity of Paul Bots as they try and game the system to favor their candidate. I'm guessing the the Paulettes dropped a lot of money on Fox News and bought their coverage. Soon to follow their new political objective.

271 JHW  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:23:13pm

re: #254 JCM

Thanks, I'm afraid you're right and that stolen election is going to have continuing reverberations it seems. My district had a similar election fiasco in 1990 when Susan Goos lost the election by 1 vote after a dozen recounts, the Dems were great at finding "misplaced" votes.

272 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:23:32pm

it is multiple choice, the most correct answer is ron paul

the next most correct answer is NUTJOB

serrated for bread, santoku for meat.

273 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:23:34pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

Yes. It was actually a meeting of Lucadia Leucadia International ( a Buffett holding company) The mall they were at is owned by the company and they were having an annual meeting at a hotel ballroom at the mall grounds

PIMF

274 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:23:39pm
275 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:23:45pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

satt ... do you ever feel like you are looking in on people? ... I mean do you do many feeds for private people ... was kinda surprised you were doing the bridge game ... who wants a feed of a bridge game? ...

276 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:24:04pm

re: #246 lawhawk

Christie's record as US Attorney is pretty good, and he's gone after corrupt politicians, which is a full time gig here in the NYC metro area. He's gotten quite a few scalps, and has more support than Steve Lonegan. I don't think he's gotten specific on his policies, which is where Lonegan has been going after him.

It's also gotten quite personal. Frankly, I think both of them are wanting, but Christie seems to have a wee bit more personal integrity than Lonegan. Lonegan strikes me as a gadfly type, and while he might have a good policy prescription here or there, he doesn't strike me governor's material. He's got to prove me wrong.

Then again, anyone running for office against Corzine (other than Boss or Bacon) would be an improvement.

To tell you the truth, the best candidate for governor isn't even running for the job. It would be Cory Booker, who's currently doing quite well fixing up the mess that is Newark. I see bright things in his future (and yes, he's a Democrat).

Thanks,

We've got an AG in WA Rob McKenna (R) that may have a future beyond the AG's office. He's done outstanding work on performance audit's, so much so the (D)'s have slashed them of his budget.

It might give the Gov. seat a shot in '12 the AG's office is where Gregoire came from.

277 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:24:18pm
278 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:24:42pm

re: #273 sattv4u2

PIMF

Leucadia?

Sounds like a lung disease.

279 traderjoe9  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:25:15pm

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

280 rightwinger3  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:26:36pm

It's like an addiction. I saw the "a dangerous kook" button but went straight to "Ron Paul" anyway.

281 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:27:06pm

re: #279 traderjoe9

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Of course the Juice did it!

Duh!

They do everything!

//////////////////////////////////////

282 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:27:35pm

re: #245 beens21

LBJ? Hoo boy...

283 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:27:56pm

re: #280 rightwinger3

because that is the most correct answer gunny.

284 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #275 JacksonTn

satt ... do you ever feel like you are looking in on people? ... I mean do you do many feeds for private people ... was kinda surprised you were doing the bridge game ... who wants a feed of a bridge game? ...

It was what they call a "beauty shot". Shows someone like a Warren Buffett amongst "regular folks" (in the news industry they also call it a photo op)
I do see things that never make the nightly news, some of it pretty gruesome (think 9/11 or a fatal plane crash). What a "private person" would use us for is teleconference. For under $1,000 someone could be sitting in a studio and talking to thousands of people at their locations for an hour or so. The money they saved on flying all those people in, putting them up in hotels ,, feeding them etc is incalcuable

285 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:28:29pm

re: #282 The Shadow Do

LBJ? Hoo boy...

Why should only dead people in CHICAGO get to vote, hmmmmmm?

/

286 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:29:12pm

re: #276 JCM

Thanks,

We've got an AG in WA Rob McKenna (R) that may have a future beyond the AG's office. He's done outstanding work on performance audit's, so much so the (D)'s have slashed them of his budget.

It might give the Gov. seat a shot in '12 the AG's office is where Gregoire came from.

He'll need good anti-fraud measures. The Dems there have shown a proclivity for fraud. The AG needs to lay groundwork against that now, to make sure he has a good chance.

287 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:29:17pm

re: #279 traderjoe9

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

But of course. They are the money behind everything.
Look at the fantastic coverage they receive !
Everyone's bought.
Except, well, ok, you know....

288 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:30:09pm

re: #269 njdhockeyfan

If they did that they wouldn't have time to write about Michelle's fashion tips.

Wow, no wonder Oprah thinks she's the greatest first lady evah!
After all Eleanor Roosevelt never gave style tips.
/

289 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:30:11pm
290 David Simon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:30:14pm

re: #269 njdhockeyfan

If they did that they wouldn't have time to write about Michelle's fashion tips.

Nauseating. Just out of curiosity though...

Take a page out of Michelle Obama's style book and highlight your best features instead of obsessing over the worst.

Are they referring to her ass or her personality?

291 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:30:26pm

re: #284 sattv4u2

satt ... got it ... thanks ... but um ... keep us posted if you get anything ... "interesting" ... can I just point my dish somewhere? ...

292 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:30:35pm

re: #278 OldLineTexan

Leucadia?

Sounds like a lung disease.

sounds like a beach town down the coast near Insane Diego

293 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:31:17pm

re: #290 David Simon

Are they referring to her ass or her personality?

Barack is not mentioned in the article!

/

294 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:31:27pm

re: #291 JacksonTn

satt ... got it ... thanks ... but um ... keep us posted if you get anything ... "interesting" ... can I just point my dish somewhere? ...


Aim it towards Pluto so you can get the latest Ron Paul news!

295 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:32:12pm

re: #279 traderjoe9

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Here it is with a pie chart.

Dems: 32%
Reps: 16.8%

Guess we won't see this on MSNBC anytime soon.

296 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:32:16pm

re: #264 sattv4u2

I'm a 38 short!

2 suits for the price of one at K&G Mens Mart!

not a 38 Special?

297 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:32:32pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Aim it towards Pluto so you can get the latest Ron Paul news!

those all come from Uranus....

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:32:39pm

Charles? Personal observation/complaint.

To limit any Ron Paul poll to one vote totally invalidates the vote.

For consistency, one should be able to vote on a Ron Paul poll as many times as they want to.

Just sayin.

299 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:32:53pm

re: #285 OldLineTexan

Why should only dead people in CHICAGO get to vote, hmmmmmm?

/

Deadist!

300 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:32:57pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

He'll need good anti-fraud measures. The Dems there have shown a proclivity for fraud. The AG needs to lay groundwork against that now, to make sure he has a good chance.

Fortunately WA doesn't have the corruption issues NJ has.

The '04 election was "distributed" vote fraud, I don't remember if John Fund or Sharkansky at Sound Politics came up with the term. A lot of individuals in individual acts of fraud, a system with a predisposition to act favorably for one candidates interests.

In that sense we have a better shot at getting back together, we don't have to rebuild a corrupt systems so much a make repairs to a damaged one.

301 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:33:21pm

i still think "crack smoking idiot" is a valid choice for this poll.....

303 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:33:52pm

re: #279 traderjoe9

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

This is very telling:

They found that Democrats were significantly more prone to blaming Jews than Republicans: while 32% of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame, compared to only 18.4% of Republicans.

Judging by the comments I've seen at DKos and HuffPo I'm surprised that number is so low.

304 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:34:15pm

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Personal observation/complaint.

To limit any Ron Paul poll to one vote totally invalidates the vote.

For consistency, one should be able to vote on a Ron Paul poll as many times as they want to.

Just sayin.

I thought Paul was a Texas Republican/ Libretarian, not a Chicago Democrat

305 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:34:20pm

re: #285 OldLineTexan

Why should only dead people in CHICAGO get to vote, hmmmmmm?

/

They don't. Pets are Democrats, too.

306 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:34:27pm

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles? Personal observation/complaint.

To limit any Ron Paul poll to one vote totally invalidates the vote.

For consistency, one should be able to vote on a Ron Paul poll as many times as they want to.

Just sayin.

figured this deserved to be read again, if only for the that follows.

/

307 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:34:38pm

What do Ron Paul and Ms California have in common?

An unapologetic willingness to speak to their principles.

308 NukeAtomrod  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:34:45pm

I had to go with "Ron Paul." He's a kook alright. I'm just not convinced that he's dangerous. Maybe he even wants to be dangerous. But, I think the 2008 election was his apogee. He's just going to be a clown/punching bag from here on out. The dems will point out that he's a kook and the GOP won't be able to resist defending him. And the great circle of stupidity will continue.

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:34:47pm

re: #302 Ojoe

Have I told you thank you for the picture from a couple of weeks ago? Still my desktop.

310 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:35:05pm

re: #301 redc1c4

i still think "crack smoking idiot" is a valid choice for this poll.....

they should focus NW, so you can see the smoke from the SB fire...

311 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:35:21pm

re: #307 Rightwingconspirator

What do Ron Paul and Ms California have in common?

An unapologetic willingness to speak to their principles.

I thought the answer was that they are both fake boobs!

312 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:35:25pm

re: #51 BlueCanuck

What I find worrisome is that some people are actually voting for him here in a positive light. *shudder*

I voted "Ron Paul". Kook, he is, but I don't think he's that dangerous, simply because he's so widely recognized as a kook. Only fellow kooks see him as reasonable.

313 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:36:02pm

re: #307 Rightwingconspirator

What do Ron Paul and Ms California have in common?

An unapologetic willingness to speak to their principles.

except that Laup Nor is principally wrong, whereas Ms. California sounded like she had a clue.

314 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:36:16pm

re: #307 Rightwingconspirator

What do Ron Paul and Ms California have in common?

An unapologetic willingness to speak to their principles.

I thought it was that they're both associated with drag queens.

//

315 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:36:32pm

re: #312 Alberta Oil Peon

I voted "Ron Paul". Kook, he is, but I don't think he's that dangerous, simply because he's so widely recognized as a kook. Only fellow kooks see him as reasonable.

but there are lots of kooks..... therein lies the problem.

316 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:36:33pm

re: #31 JacksonTn

It's the Whigs.

The Whigs are back in the middle.

317 JacksonTn  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:36:33pm

late night tres leches cake calls ... (FBV sorry wish I could send you some) ...

good night ya'll ...

318 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:37:15pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

I thought Paul was a Texas Republican/ Libretarian, not a Chicago Democrat

the line is vauge....

319 BignJames  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:37:25pm

re: #307 Rightwingconspirator

What do Ron Paul and Ms California have in common?

An unapologetic willingness to speak to their principles.

Won't get you elected.....or selected.

320 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:37:35pm

re: #307 Rightwingconspirator

What do Ron Paul and Ms California have in common?

An unapologetic willingness to speak to their principles.

Crap. I was going to say "fake boobs".

321 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:37:36pm

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You are welcome, but thanks actually are due to the astronomers at USC, they maintain the Towercam.

322 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:37:40pm

re: #312 Alberta Oil Peon

I voted "Ron Paul". Kook, he is, but I don't think he's that dangerous, simply because he's so widely recognized as a kook. Only fellow kooks see him as reasonable.

If a nobody like Obama can win, anything is possible.

323 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:37:51pm

re: #314 Gus 802

I thought it was that they're both associated with drag queens.

//

THAT was quite scary looking

324 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:38:23pm

Good evening, lizards.

Ojoe, that was a beautiful shot from Mt. Wilson. It's a warm evening here but cooling off nicely.

325 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:38:31pm

re: #323 Desert Dog

THAT was quite scary looking

Yeah. Good thing the room was lit. Or maybe not.

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:38:53pm

re: #321 Ojoe

Nope. Thank you. I would not have seen it otherwise.

They're appreciated too, but they didn't send me the link.

327 lawhawk  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:39:11pm

re: #279 traderjoe9

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Yes, as a matter of fact, I have. It's a common theme dating back centuries. Every time something bad goes on, Jews get blamed. We're the scapegoats for all that ails the world.

328 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:39:23pm

re: #322 njdhockeyfan

If a nobody like Obama can win, anything is possible if the MFM is on your side.

FTFY!

329 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:39:27pm
330 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:39:31pm
...whatever else universal coverage might bring, there is no evidence that it will bring economic nirvana. If anything, contrary to what the president suggests, the correlation runs the other way for countries with universal coverage such as Canada, England, France, Germany, and Japan. On nearly every economic front, their performance has been worse than America's—even, surprisingly, in controlling health care costs.

Contrary to popular perception, even though America is at the epicenter of the financial crisis, it has suffered less than its industrialized peers in terms of economic growth. According to the latest International Monetary Fund figures two weeks ago, the U.S. economy actually grew 1.1 percent last year even as Japan's shrank by 0.6 percent. France and England's both grew 0.7 percent, and Canada's only 0.5 percent—or less than half of America's. Only Germany did slightly better at 1.3 percent.

What's more, despite all the gloom and doom about the American economy, IMF expects its gross domestic product to shrink 2.8 percent this year compared to anywhere between 3 percent (France) to 6.2 percent (Japan) for these other economies. (Figures from the U.S. since the IMF projections suggest that the U.S. economy contracted more than expected in the first quarter of this year but it is not yet clear how the other countries performed.) ...


Obama's Health Care Quackery
Countries with universal health coverage are economically worse off than the U.S.

331 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:39:38pm

re: #289 Iron Fist

Our governor here in Tennessee has been a Democrat for quite some time. Our last Republican governor ran against an Income Tax right up until about three weeks after he'd been re-elected to his second term (we have term limits). Then all us neanderthals who were against an Income Tax were just primitives who shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place (no joke. He was exceptionally offensive about it).

So now we have a Democrat governor who understands that Tennesseans do not want a State Income Tax. He's also pro-Second Amendment, and apparently really believes that way. I've got a friend who knows him,and he speaks highly of him even if he is a Democrat.

Unfortunately the State that gave us Henry M. (Scoop) Jackson is out of those. Are few and far between, State Sen. Tim Sheldon is looking like one of those. He got in hot water a couple of weeks ago when he said he's constitutes could take care of themselves in spite of law enforcement cuts, and any crooks who might try to take advantage of the situation could expect a "lead enema" from it's citizens.

332 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:39:52pm

re: #324 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good evening, lizards.

Ojoe, that was a beautiful shot from Mt. Wilson. It's a warm evening here but cooling off nicely.

finally down to the high 80*s here.....

333 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:40:44pm

re: #324 Pvt Bin Jammin

LA, and the San Gabriel Valley, are great places.

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


OK, you are quite welcome then.

The Towercam is my default opener & when it is good I just link it here.

334 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:41:13pm
335 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:41:33pm

Red Sox win

Yankees lose

I can drive home a happy man!

My life is good!

336 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:41:59pm

re: #316 Ojoe

It's the Whigs.

The Whigs are back in the middle.

You love those Whigs! Think they have a chance to win anything? I think there may be a third party one day, but not in the near future. If the Republican split into two parties, they will guarantee both will be out of power. Unless you can take a large percentage from both parties, it will not work.

I like quite a bit of that platform. I think the libertarians offer some good ideas. We need to take the best bits from everywhere and get back into power through the two party system. For 2010 and 2012 at least.

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:42:19pm

re: #335 sattv4u2

Cleveland won a squeaker.

338 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:42:22pm

re: #279 traderjoe9

OT: Anybody see this?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

I found an illustration for it.

339 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:42:42pm

re: #333 Ojoe

LA, and the San Gabriel Valley, are great places.

now if we could just do something about all the touristas..... Nueva York *and* Nuevo Laredo both.....

i want a bumper sticker that says "Film in Canada, Please!"

340 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:42:42pm

re: #329 Iron Fist

Man, I gotta sleep tonight. I'll let you be my eyes and ears on it...

[shudder]

Don't look, it's baaaaaaaad

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:42:43pm

Ron Paul!

342 JCM  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:42:49pm

Gotta' run......

343 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:43:19pm

re: #334 JCM

Got us a BNP supporter....

start the pool.....

344 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:43:42pm

re: #316 Ojoe

It's the Whigs.

The Whigs are back in the middle.

Good grief, Ojoe. Are you a sadist?

Third party election results.

345 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:44:00pm

re: #334 JCM

What a moron. From his post
Right now they lean toward the taliban because poppy crops pay the bills and keep people fed

When the Taliban was in charge they practically wiped OUT the poppy crops! One of the biggest complaints that the left had about Bush wiping out the Tali was that 'sure ,, thats so the drug lords could get back "

346 redc1c4  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:44:15pm

i'm gonna go throw dinner on the fire and have a few more beers....

BBL!

347 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:44:16pm

re: #336 Desert Dog

For everyone to join some middle party now, I think, would be the best, but that's my opinion.

I can't stand either party anymore.

Yes I voted McCain.

348 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:44:53pm

re: #332 redc1c4

Just took a look at our thermometer. It's 80 here. I'm not looking forward to summer.

349 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:44:59pm

3.4 trillion..... thank you democrats.

350 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:45:24pm

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cleveland won a squeaker.

Atlanta has asked for e fifth period so they can catch up, but as long as the cavaliers aren;t allowed on the court

351 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:45:24pm

re: #344 The Shadow Do

The original Republicans were a third party.

When the country really needs a new direction third parties do win.

352 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:45:27pm

re: #343 redc1c4

start the pool.....

And the grill.

353 Ojoe  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:45:53pm

BB a bit L

354 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:45:58pm

re: #347 Ojoe

For everyone to join some middle party now, I think, would be the best, but that's my opinion.

I can't stand either party anymore.

Yes I voted McCain.

I feel your pain, brother. I have held my nose to vote since Reagan. None of the candidates since him have motivated me and my vote is usually a vote against the other guy.

355 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:46:05pm
356 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #334 JCM

Got us a BNP supporter....

Yep. He's a live one alright, and we're ripping him a new one. The guy's goosestepping into the future.

357 traderjoe9  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:46:11pm

re: #335 sattv4u2

Red Sox win

Yankees lose

I can drive home a happy man!

My life is good!

Giants win.

Manny Ramirez is on steroids.

Life is good!

358 funky chicken  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:46:18pm

re: #248 OldLineTexan

Anti-vax is a good one.
Gold standard is another.
Isolationist foreign policy is a third.

Toss his ass out of the Republican Party and make him try being a Libertarian again.

Racism is worse than the gold standard. Most folks won't really get the gold standard problem.

359 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:46:29pm

re: #349 WindHorse

3.4 trillion..... thank you democrats.

Hey, it's just money. We have all of these printing presses, we can always make more!

360 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:47:13pm

How could you spend $81 million to close Guantanamo?

361 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:47:57pm

re: #357 traderjoe9

Giants win.

Manny Ramirez is on steroids.

Life is good!

Yeah ,, but at the end of the year he'll STILL have more HR's and RBI's than most of the Giants!

362 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:48:24pm

re: #360 J.D.

How could you spend $81 million to close Guantanamo?

I could do it for half of that....where do I submit my bid?

363 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:48:32pm

re: #360 J.D.

How could you spend $81 million to close Guantanamo?

Hire Halliburton !

/Faint.

364 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:48:46pm

re: #360 J.D.

How could you spend $81 million to close Guantanamo?

Well, we have to buy all the poor, misunderstood terrorists nice condos in the suburbs. And luxury SUVs ain't cheap...

365 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #359 Desert Dog

what could be more fitting for a nation that is in debt up to it's ears.... spending like maniacs.... multiple credit cards maxed out.... and now the government.... it truly is sad. Our society has lost a basic understanding of earning money before it is spent.....

366 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:48:55pm
367 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:48:59pm
368 American Sabra  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:49:43pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Why do we need a hero? How about a clear thinking conservative. If we keep looking for heros all the time, we may miss a respectable and eligible politician.

Surely you jest.

I betcha the Messiah arrives first.

369 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:51:30pm

re: #360 J.D.

How could you spend $81 million to close Guantanamo?

Reminds me of an old Marx Brothers joke.

What do you get for not playing?

Well, datsa gonna run you some money.

370 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:51:34pm

re: #365 WindHorse

what could be more fitting for a nation that is in debt up to it's ears.... spending like maniacs.... multiple credit cards maxed out.... and now the government.... it truly is sad. Our society has lost a basic understanding of earning money before it is spent.....

Well, when inflation hits "Jimmah" levels, we will all be millionaires.....unfortunately, a million will be worth as much as a Zimbabwean billion.

I find it very galling to hear Obama still talk about fiscal responsibility now. He is spending this country into oblivion.

371 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:51:53pm

re: #352 livefreeor die

And the grill.

I'm taking soda orders as usual. Please post with any requests.

372 NelsFree  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:52:08pm

Has anyone visited gradegov.com? It's been promoted on Fox a couple of times. The founder was interviewed twice, and both times she said the top grades went too...

(the envelope, please)
nor luap!

373 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:52:16pm

Charles Krauthammer: The Hamas 'peace' gambit would destroy Israel

"Apart from the time restriction (a truce that lapses after 10 years) and the refusal to accept Israel's existence, Mr. Meshal's terms approximate the Arab League peace plan ... " - Hamas peace plan, as explained by The New York Times

"Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?" - Tom Lehrer, satirist

The Times conducted a five-hour interview with Hamas leader Khaled Meshal at his Damascus headquarters. Mirabile dictu, they're offering a peace plan with a two-state solution. Except.

The offer is not a peace but a truce that expires after 10 years. Meaning that after Israel has fatally weakened itself by settling millions of hostile Arab refugees in its midst, and after a decade of Hamas arming itself within a Palestinian state that narrows Israel to eight miles wide - Hamas restarts the war against a country it remains pledged to eradicate.

There is a phrase for such a peace: the peace of the grave.

374 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:52:17pm

re: #368 American Sabra

Surely you jest.

I betcha the Messiah arrives first.

Walters is a point well made. How many people were convinced Fred Thompson was "the one" when he announced . Truth be told I was intrigued! It was mostly due to his film and TV work, i.e. the 'image". Once he started hitting the talk circuits and the debates ,, well,, not so much !

375 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #370 Desert Dog

yeah, coming from a guy who has never worked an honest day in his life. I think we should all be proud.....

/

376 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:52:56pm

It beats the hell out of me how you can even come up with an $81 million price tag when you don't even have a plan.

377 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:53:34pm

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I'm taking soda orders as usual. Please post with any requests.

I'll have some Dr longtimePeepershorttimeposter.

378 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:54:03pm
379 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:54:39pm

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

the party of the first part....

380 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:55:09pm
381 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:55:29pm
382 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:56:56pm

re: #376 J.D.

It beats the hell out of me how you can even come up with an $81 million price tag when you don't even have a plan.


STEP ONE: Joe Biden convenes a "fact finding" committee with this admins bestest and brightest
STEP TWO: Committe makes many recomendations, all requiring expensive and exhaustive research
STEP THREE: after months and months of wranglinf, a consensus on THE best plan is agreed too
STEP FOUR: someone goes to True Value Hardware and gets a padlock
STEP FIVE: Said padlock is airlifted to GITMO with where President Obama locks the gate for the last time in an internationally televised event

383 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:58:37pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

STEP ONE: Joe Biden convenes a "fact finding" committee with this admins bestest and brightest
STEP TWO: Committe makes many recomendations, all requiring expensive and exhaustive research
STEP THREE: after months and months of wranglinf, a consensus on THE best plan is agreed too
STEP FOUR: someone goes to True Value Hardware and gets a padlock
STEP FIVE: Said padlock is airlifted to GITMO with where President Obama locks the gate for the last time in an internationally televised event


So accurate. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

384 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:58:51pm

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, I was paraphrasing while I tried to locate the Youtube video of it.

Nice work, Buzz. Did you just happen to have that handy or have you memorized it?

385 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 7:58:57pm

re: #383 livefreeor die

So accurate. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

just send cash!

386 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:00:24pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

President Obama locks the gate for the last time in an internationally televised event


The most important thing, no doubt.

387 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:00:27pm

for idiots like Biden, Obama, Pelosi etc. etc. 81-million is just a number.... they have no clue..... and there are some greedy contractors out there raping the government - and our brain trust in Washington doesn't even know it....

388 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:01:26pm
389 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:01:44pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

STEP SIX: Obama throws expensive post-gate locking reception, funded by taxpayers.

390 J.D.  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:02:22pm

re: #389 livefreeor die

STEP SIX: Obama throws expensive post-gate locking reception, funded by taxpayers.

For $81 million, surely they'll have an open bar?

391 MandyManners  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:03:08pm

I want to know who are the 137 dumb-fucks who voted Ron Paul is awesome or the only thing who can save the GOP.

392 sattv4u2  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:03:14pm

re: #387 WindHorse

for idiots like Biden, Obama, Pelosi etc. etc. 81-million is just a number.... they have no clue..... and there are some greedy contractors out there raping the government - and our brain trust in Washington doesn't even know it....

They know it. Just ask Pelosis husband,,, or Bidens son ,, or Fiensteins husband,,, or Murthas accountant ,,,,

393 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:03:26pm
394 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:03:39pm

re: #376 J.D.

It beats the hell out of me how you can even come up with an $81 million price tag when you don't even have a plan.

A plan would cost more.

395 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:03:46pm

re: #391 MandyManners

I want to know who are the 137 dumb-fucks who voted Ron Paul is awesome or the only thing who can save the GOP.

Could be 137 numb-brains, or it could be one numb brain and his 136 sock puppets.

396 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:03:51pm

re: #380 Iron Fist

I'm finding it hard to diciline myself to pay down my personal debt. I'm not sinking in it, but I've ran it up a good bit since the One was elected, buying things that may become necessities, if you follow me. It is hard to get serious about paying that off when I suspect that five years from now the same amount of money that I currently owe will be a trivial amount of money due to inflation.

I'm not an economist, and don't claim to be. But that is how it looks to be to me.

Your debt will lose value, but so will the money you earn to pay it off. I am trying to not add any debt right now. I am resisting buying anything for my company. Although the price of a new truck is looking pretty good right now.

397 Truth Dr.  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:04:06pm

Ron Paul = Ru Paul with spindly legs

398 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:04:35pm

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, no. Might offend the anti-alcohol sensibilities of the detainees.

Yes, we wouldn't want to upset the guests of honor.

399 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:05:07pm
400 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:05:30pm

re: #390 J.D.

For $81 million, surely they'll have an open bar?

Just tell the local Cubans they can come in and take anything they want. In a few hours, like place would be picked clean like a dead squirrel on an ant hill. Cost - $0

401 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:05:54pm

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, no. Might offend the anti-alcohol sensibilities of the detainees.

Guantanamo is InFidels hands.

402 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:05:59pm

re: #392 sattv4u2

I know..... they are the greedy s.o.b.s I was referring to.... and I do realize that the ones in DC are complete opportunists who think they are "more equal"....

403 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:06:12pm

re: #391 MandyManners

I want to know who are the 137 dumb-fucks who voted Ron Paul is awesome or the only thing who can save the GOP.

*ding-ding* *ding-ding* *ding-ding*

Cranky Old Coot, Arriving.

If Ron Paul is the answer, then I REALLY don't want to know what the question was.

The thing is that Ron Paul is awesome. An awesome asshole, an awesome dick, an awesome [fill in the derogatory blank]....

404 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:06:51pm

re: #395 EmmmieG

Could be 137 numb-brains, or it could be one numb brain and his 136 sock puppets.

Whoever they are they don't have the courage to come out here and defend their leader.

405 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:06:52pm

re: #351 Ojoe

The original Republicans were a third party.

When the country really needs a new direction third parties do win.

Somewhat true if you care to look back far enough to find that one instance. It was a fusion of interests driven by the whole slavery question that gave birth to the Republican Party. The Whigs pretty much migrated or died on the vine - as opposed to being displaced in whole. When the day brings an issue before the people on par with slavery in magnitude, one which completely captures opinion and transcends Party, then you will see the birth of a new Party. Until then, these third party movements are at best just noise and at worst produce ugly, unwelcome results.

The GOP can be changed a heck of a lot faster than can a new political party achieve legitimacy. Ross Perot meant well, but what he produced was a real mess.

406 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:07:28pm
53.6%


Ron Paul wins!

407 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:07:52pm

re: #394 FurryOldGuyJeans

A plan would cost more.

That would take meetings.....lots and lots of meetings....and studies, lots of them too....you are right, it would be $81 million for them just to think about it.

408 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:08:57pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul wins!

Really, was there ever any doubt?

409 sngnsgt  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:09:01pm

re: #401 SasquatchOnSteroids

Guantanamo is InFidels hands.

Fidels InFidels, isn't that the name of a Cuban punk rock band?

410 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:09:01pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I want a recount or three....

411 Desert Dog  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:09:09pm

re: #405 The Shadow Do

Somewhat true if you care to look back far enough to find that one instance. It was a fusion of interests driven by the whole slavery question that gave birth to the Republican Party. The Whigs pretty much migrated or died on the vine - as opposed to being displaced in whole. When the day brings an issue before the people on par with slavery in magnitude, one which completely captures opinion and transcends Party, then you will see the birth of a new Party. Until then, these third party movements are at best just noise and at worst produce ugly, unwelcome results.

The GOP can be changed a heck of a lot faster than can a new political party achieve legitimacy. Ross Perot meant well, but what he produced was a real mess.

Yes and that mess was called 8 years of Clinton.

412 livefreeor die  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:09:27pm

Night all. The baby calls.

413 pink freud  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:10:36pm

re: #404 njdhockeyfan

Whoever they are they don't have the courage to come out here and defend their leader.

They're probably back on the last thread, leaving their little droppings now that no-one's home. One named McRrrr just downdinged the thread topic.

414 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:11:31pm

re: #388 buzzsawmonkey

That was memory. I used to have all that stuff on instant recall, but...well, not so much anymore.

Funniest clean movies ever produced.

I remember one day when I was a kid, my mom could hear me in the rec room watching TV cackling like such an idiot that she had to find out what I'd gotten into. She was so pleased 'the weird one' was into something wholesome, she made us some popcorn and joined me.

415 MandyManners  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:11:38pm

re: #395 EmmmieG

Could be 137 numb-brains, or it could be one numb brain and his 136 sock puppets.

One with 136 socks? Now, that's determination.

416 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:11:44pm
417 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:12:14pm

re: #413 pink freud

They're probably back on the last thread, leaving their little droppings now that no-one's home. One named McRrrr just downdinged the thread topic.

That is the usual strategy. Why actually poke one's head up in a live fire zone when they can skulk around and act all brave in a deserted battlefield.

418 slokat  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:13:30pm

Hey Red, my son snuck past the police road blocks on his scooter and called me from his house, it's still there. His opinion was that currently the fire is burning back uphill towards Santa Ynez.

16,000 people evacuated, 50 houses burned.

IMHO - starting to look like an overreaction. (and I hope I'm not proved wrong)

(regarding the Santa Barbara fire for anyone else that might read this post)

419 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:13:49pm

re: #417 FurryOldGuyJeans

That is the usual strategy. Why actually poke one's head up in a live fire zone when they can skulk around and act all brave in a deserted battlefield.

I will never get that. YOU WILL NOT GET THE LAST WORD.

It is written.

420 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:14:35pm
421 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:14:51pm
422 calcajun  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:15:16pm

Ron Paul is...
The "funny" uncle your parents kept you away from.

Ron Paul is...
The quiet neighbor who "kept to himself" after his wife vanished.

Ron Paul is...
The kind of driver that would go the speed limit...in the #1 lane...no matter what.

Ron Paul is...
The kind of doctor who tells you how to raise your kids, though he has none of his own.

Ron Paul is...
The kind of guy that likes to control the HOA.

423 MandyManners  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #403 FurryOldGuyJeans

*ding-ding* *ding-ding* *ding-ding*

Cranky Old Coot, Arriving.

If Ron Paul is the answer, then I REALLY don't want to know what the question was.

The thing is that Ron Paul is awesome. An awesome asshole, an awesome dick, an awesome [fill in the derogatory blank]....

Awesomely stupid.

424 UncleRancher  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:15:51pm

I say Ron Paul is a man we really need. He makes all the rest of us look and feel really, really, really sane smart and reasonable. Let's just keep him up on a pedestal, off to the side, somewhere he can't do any harm.

425 njdhockeyfan  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:16:19pm

Swedish Pirate Party may get seat in EU Parliament


STOCKHOLM (Reuters) – Sweden's Pirate Party, which wants to reform copyright law, could ride a wave of discontent over tighter control of computer file-sharing all the way into the European Parliament in June.

The jail sentences handed out last month to the four Swedish men behind The Pirate Bay, one of the world's biggest free file-sharing Web sites, have given a boost to the namesake party among young voters in Sweden, a recent opinion poll showed.

"It is definitely something that has put the spotlight on our issues," Christian Engstrom, the party's top candidate for the European Parliament, told Reuters.

"And it has demonstrated why it is so important, because the legal machine, if it's allowed to continue, is going to crush the Internet, starting with the Pirate Bay and then continuing on to other enterprises."

426 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:16:43pm
427 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:17:18pm
428 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:17:33pm

re: #415 MandyManners

One with 136 socks? Now, that's determination.

Or a lot of feet. :D

429 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:17:56pm

re: #427 Iron Fist

Heh, but sanity is overrated. Or at least so I hear. I've never been bothered by sanity, myself...

Sanity is a bore.

430 Gus  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:18:02pm

re: #425 njdhockeyfan

Swedish Pirate Party may get seat in EU Parliament

What's with the EU and all of the weird parties. Pirate Party for dealing with copyright issues?

431 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:18:12pm

Someone should divide the total mined ounces of gold in this world by the current U.S. money supply.

/who's good at math?

432 UncleRancher  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:18:37pm

re: #427 Iron Fist

Heh, but sanity is overrated. Or at least so I hear. I've never been bothered by sanity, myself...

Heh!

433 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:19:15pm

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

Or a lot of feet. :D

No wonder every time another sock speaks there is a bad stench that wafts in.

And here I thought people used a sockpuppet on their hand.

434 Racer X  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:20:17pm

re: #431 Killian Bundy

Someone should divide the total mined ounces of gold in this world by the current U.S. money supply.

/who's good at math?

If we piled up all the Gold currently available it would not equal the amount of dollars printed by the Obama administration.

435 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:20:33pm

re: #431 Killian Bundy

Someone should divide the total mined ounces of gold in this world by the current U.S. money supply.

/who's good at math?

You'll have to subtract off the gold currently riding around on the ring finger of a lot of left hands. Mine stays where it is, Nor Luap or not.

436 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:21:22pm

re: #431 Killian Bundy

hawdya want that m1, m2, m3 ,m4 etc...

what do you mean by MONEY?

437 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:21:51pm
438 calcajun  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:22:02pm

re: #420 buzzsawmonkey

You are the master. Please accept this as an homage (said Saleri to Mozart)

God rest ye merry money men
There’s nothing you can say
To keep the US Government
From taking your control away

To save us all from lucre’s power
Because you all had gone astray
Oh this Obama and Biden will enjoy, will enjoy.
Oh this Obama and Biden will enjoy

439 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:22:58pm

re: #435 EmmmieG

You'll have to subtract off the gold currently riding around on the ring finger of a lot of left hands. Mine stays where it is, Nor Luap or not.

My first marriage I experienced the alchemists nightmare. My gold ring turned to lead.

440 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:23:30pm

It's a simple question really. If you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself ?

Cubs win !

441 calcajun  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:23:45pm

re: #426 buzzsawmonkey

The Marx Brothers movies weren't that clean--there's a lot of sexual innuendo and byplay going on, at least in the pre-Code Paramount films. They just don't serve up giblets on a platter.

Margaret Dumont: Otis, have you got everything?
Groucho: I haven't had any complaints yet.

-Night at the Opera


Marx was surprised that got by the censors.

442 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:23:53pm
443 WindHorse  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:24:11pm

re: #439 The Shadow Do

...mine turned into bullshit....

444 calcajun  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:25:03pm

re: #429 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sanity is a bore.

That's not what the other voices in my head say.

445 calcajun  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:25:31pm

re: #442 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks.

446 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:25:52pm

re: #436 coldwarrior

hawdya want that m1, m2, m3 ,m4 etc...

what do you mean by MONEY?

Physical currency in circulation, whichever one that is, I forget.

/the answer will be ridiculous anyway so use the minimum estimate

447 abolitionist  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:28:13pm

OT: May 8, 2009
Barack Obama to walk in footsteps of uncle who helped free Buchenwald

President Obama is preparing to follow in the footsteps of his great-uncle, Charlie, with a visit to the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany when he returns to Europe this summer.
[snip]

He is expected to travel to Buchenwald on June 5, the day before taking part in commemoration events for the 65th anniversary of the landing of Allied troops in Normandy.
[snip]

There was speculation in Berlin that Mr Obama could be accompanied by the Nobel prizewinner Elie Wiesel, a survivor of Buchenwald, on the visit.

Obama also plans to visit Dresden. In that venue especially, he needs to refrain from trying to cozy up to the America haters all over the world.

448 nightdragon83  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:31:38pm

*cues up Don LaFontaine voice-over*

Coming. This. Summer....

In a world where Republicans are lost in the wilderness in search for a leader...

Ron Paul IS....

RON PAUL!

449 calcajun  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:35:23pm

re: #448 nightdragon83

*cues up Don LaFontaine voice-over*

Coming. This. Summer....

In a world where Republicans are lost in the wilderness in search for a leader...

Ron Paul IS....

RON PAUL!

more like "Wrong-way Corrigan"

450 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:36:31pm

re: #446 Killian Bundy

114 billion dollars

126986263.578 ounces on hand global
9.8 trillion m1 m2
gold at about 900 an ounce....

sooo...114,000,000,000 dollars of gold global
9,800,000,000 just in us economy m1 m2

this was quick and dirty and probably wrong!

451 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:41:07pm
452 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:43:41pm

re: #448 nightdragon83

now that s funny!

453 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:46:12pm

ack!

lets try this again

114 billion dollars

126986263.578 ounces on hand global
9.8 trillion m1 m2
gold at about 900 an ounce....

sooo...114,000,000,000 dollars of gold global
9,800,000,000,000 just in us economy m1 m2

this was quick and dirty and probably wrong!

thats better

454 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:47:27pm

see, us economy m1 m2 is 9800 billion while all gold on hand 114 billion dollars

forgot to carry the 'naught!

455 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:49:13pm
456 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:49:40pm

no doubt

457 coldwarrior  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:52:30pm

out...

night all

458 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 8:56:51pm
459 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:03:33pm
460 Bagua  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:10:29pm

Out of curiosity, did the Paulonians swarm to this poll or is that part of the nonsense over with?

461 kynna  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:14:17pm

I would have voted "Ron Paul" but he's too dangerous to be just "Ron Paul".

Just because he's been right on a couple of things doesn't mean he's not horribly wrong on others.

462 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:19:56pm

re: #444 calcajun

That's not what the other voices in my head say.

The voices in my head can beat up the voices in your head.

463 Nemesis6  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:22:01pm

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this yet - Ron Paul thinks the government should just stay out of the whole Swine Flu issue. People have been waiting for him hammering the last nail into his own coffin, this is it, people! Looks like the honorable Dr. Ron Paul is a doctor in the same sense as Doctor Nick.

[Link: www.google.com...]

It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that he has people who actually agree with him on as dangerous an issue as this.

464 [deleted]  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:24:26pm
465 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 7, 2009 9:42:41pm

re: #464 Iron Fist

The voices in my head will hang your voices up by their ankles and take their pelt.

My voices will give your voices wedgies and run away.

466 Banner  Thu, May 7, 2009 10:52:49pm

Funny comic...
(Ron Paulish)

[Link: xkcd.com...]

467 Just sayin...  Thu, May 7, 2009 11:11:30pm

In the last Presidential election, both of the choices presented to us were somewhere between bad and awful. Sorry, but when trying to decide between an unqualified community organizer, and a doddering old man (AKA Old Man Cain), Ron Paul suddenly looks a lot more attractive. I'm starting to think my next vote will be for the Libertarian candidate - no matter how kooky.

468 DoesNotMatter  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:00am

Must... not... click.... Ron Paul.

469 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:49:05am

re: #467 Just sayin...

So is it Ron Paul's buddying up with neo-Nazis, his speeches to the racist John Birch Society, or his embrace of conspiracy kook 9/11 Truthers that appeals to you most?

470 Yashmak  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:19:42am

re: #467 Just sayin...

In the last Presidential election, both of the choices presented to us were somewhere between bad and awful. Sorry, but when trying to decide between an unqualified community organizer, and a doddering old man (AKA Old Man Cain), Ron Paul suddenly looks a lot more attractive. I'm starting to think my next vote will be for the Libertarian candidate - no matter how kooky.

So crazy is more attractive than poorly qualified? More attractive than old? Wow.

471 Yashmak  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #468 DoesNotMatter

Must... not... click.... Ron Paul.

I did. . .couldn't help it. I feel your pain.

472 wiffersnapper  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:38:17am

Ron Paul!

473 jdog29  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:40:12am

Ron Paul for dogcatcher!

474 Sheepdogess  Fri, May 8, 2009 9:22:14am

Barack Obama is a dangerous kook, more than a hundred days in office and not once have I hear him utter the words FREEDOM or LIBERTY.

NOT ONCE.

475 Just sayin...  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:07:12pm

re: #469 quickjustice
None of the above. We were presented with the choice between a dangerous liberal, intent on destroying our borders and constitution, and Barry HUSSEIN Obama. Old Man Cain was a weak, disloyal, RINO, who had no concept of protecting our borders or the first amendment. If he felt otherwise, he did a great job keeping it a closely-guarded secret. On the other hand, we have Barry - who has mastered the Nazi propaganda concept of the Big LIE: despite repeatedly being told otherwise, we're on the express train to Socialism. You can call them a lot of things, but today's LIBerals are smart, and excellent at co-opting others successful ideas.

Yes, Paul is a nut. However, the basic Libertarian concepts he sometimes articulates are more closely in-line with those thoughts articulated by our founding fathers, than either the current Neocons or LIBerals. Would I really vote for Paul? Probably not, when it came right down to it. Would I vote for a sane Libertarian? You betcha.

476 Grand Poobah  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:10:35pm

I like Ron Paul a lot.

Do I think he'd be a good president? No, unfortunately not. Do I think he is charismatic? Absolutely, a lot of younger people and more scientifically minded people rallied around him, regardless of leftwing and (alleged) neo-Nazi funding.

Ultimately though, I do think Ron Paul is a bit confused. He cites the Austrian School of Economics as his main philosophy, but the Austrian school is dated, and he has great ideas, but not for the same reasons necessarily a lot of other people do.

That said, I voted awesome, simply because he stood up and spoke his mind while people like McCain skirted around issues trying to half ass their smiles.

I like Palin a lot better however. Despite the RINOs (Republicans in name only) calling her as the reason of McCain's failure, the reason for McCain's failure is McCain. He was not proactive at the end, he blubbed around, he limited himself to that ridiculous Feingold-McCain bill he naively signed in 2002, and then blamed everyone else for his problems.

I contend that if McCain had any respect for the Republican party, he would not have put himself up as a contender in the primaries.

His only good deed was Palin, but I think that she was not ready for the savagery and barbarism of the press. 4 years, I think she will give Obama hell.

477 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:26:42pm

re: #476 Grand Poobah

I like Ron Paul a lot.

Lovely. You really like Ron Paul, huh?

Even after reading this article?

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

478 Grand Poobah  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:23:27pm

re: #477 Charles

Yes, I have read similar articles attacking him, and I must say my comment is a bit of hyperbole, but I do think his core ideals are something more Republicans should take a liking to. It is incredibly sad to me that the Evangelicals have now burdened the Republican party with their image--that used to be a Democrat phenomenon.

My comment is that Ron Paul did get donations from people across the spectrum--from Liberals hoping to use him as an aspiring Right Wing Ralph Nader (And notice how he, unlike Ralph Nader and Cynthia McCartney, etc, did not run for President because I feel he had some respect for the party he claimed to embrace). Ron Paul also did get (alleged) neo Nazi funding, the reason I say alleged is because I first read the article around 2007 and was not sure its validity, whether it was a smear or not.

My only guess is that Paul was supported by these Nazis because he did not believe the U.S. should be sending checks over to Israel--it could be Ron Paul is an "angry white man," as your article suggests, but I based my comments on his platform in regards to the Federal government.

Now, to address the comment you selected, when I said I like Ron Paul a lot, I may be doing a little recanting, but to be quite frank, Ron Paul had good ideas. I'd certainly say the majority of his ideas were far better than McCain's, or even Romney's. The idea that the Federal government is too large is certainly a prevalent one in Classical Liberal thinking, yet only Ron Paul consistently addressed it. Guiliani did as well, and Romney to a lesser extent. Only McCain gave homage to the idea, and then promptly ignored it with all his suggestions and ideas if he were to assume office.

That's why I find appealing about Ron Paul. I would never vote him into a higher office than Senator, he would not be a good governor, but he seems an affable chap with some major ideas I find appealing.

479 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 9:16:29pm

Good grief. The problem with the right wing, in a nutshell.

480 Grand Poobah  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:07:21pm

re: #479 Charles

I'm not sure how to interpret your tone in which case I'll ignore it and focus on the perceived implication.

We can just drag this out. I have written two posts which I don't doubt are reasonable, all you can dig up are some allegations about how angry a white guy he is.

I know you described yourself as "center-left" before 9/11 and then you saw the light and decided Muslim radicals are threat, that's great. That alone is not going to be an issue that the Republican party can rely on to clinch an election (McCain's campaign can be seen as a pretty obvious example)--people need to be presented with issues (sadly) they feel are far more relevant to them--the encroaching presence of government is undeniably one people can relate to.

Furthermore, nowhere did I say I was in love with the man, merely that I agree with his basic message regarding the government and domestic policy.

I still don't understand why I am being "marked down" for this.

481 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 9, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #480 Grand Poobah

I still don't understand why I am being "marked down" for this.

Because:

1) Ron Paul is a racist bigot.

2) Ron Paul is a kook, with ties to the John Birch Society and conspiracy creep Alex Jones.

3) Ron Paul sees nothing wrong with taking campaign donations from neo-Nazis.

That's just for starters. This man should be marginalized and rejected by decent people, not praised because you happen to like one or two things he says -- while you ignore the bigotry and craziness.


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