Glenn Beck: ‘The Government is the Devil’

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Glenn Beck continues his string of loony, irresponsible, extremist statements by saying, “The government is the devil.”

From his May 5th radio show:

GLENN:  No, did he say — go quote the scripture to your professor.  Ask him, did Jesus say when a man asks for your shirt, you give the government your coat, also, and have the government give that coat to the man?  No.  The government is a middleman.  The government is acting in the role of Lucifer.  They are taking stuff from you.  They are forcing you — yes, I did, I did just say, yes, the government is the devil.  They are taking your choices from you.  There is — you ask your professor this.  I hope you’re writing this stuff down and I want to hear the answers from this nut job of a professor.  You ask this — you ask your professor this:  At what point — now, jeez, I just lost it.  What were we talking about before that?  The government is the devil, I remember that.

Here’s a post that explains where Beck got his apocalyptic rant — from Ezra Taft Benson and Cleon Skousen: Glenn Beck and Mormonism Redux.

Mormon readers (or listeners, as it may be) will probably recognize the last two sentences as a variation on a standard Sunday School theme. The scriptural allusion is to Moses 4:3 (Pearl of Great Price) in which the Lord reveals that in the pre-mortal existence, “Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man.” There’s nothing particularly apocalyptic about the verse or the idea in and of itself. But again, Beck is utilizing the verse as a social commentary on what he views as the twin political threats (socialism and fascism) facing America thanks to the Obama administration. And again, it seems that he is most likely taking his talking points from the political writings of Ezra Taft Benson and Cleon Skousen which opposed Soviet Communism (see here for a sampling of relevant quotes by Benson, noting the similarities to Beck’s own language).

This isn’t surprising considering that Beck apparently sees Obama as a sort of young, black Lenin (or, worse yet, a threat the world hasn’t seen since the days of Hitler and Nazi Germany). But it is a bit surprising considering that such rhetoric has been out of vogue among most Mormons for some time. What remains to be seen is whether conservative Mormons (of both the Republican and libertarian stripe) buy into Beck’s apocalyptic discourse, and whether such acceptance will indeed signal the rebirth of Bensonian politics within the LDS church (at least at a grassroots level). Furthermore, it will be interesting to see what response Beck’s (unattributed but unmistakable) invocation of Mormon scripture and Mormon prophetic folklore in expressing his political philosophy garners from the conservative evangelical crowd.

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617 comments

1 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:54:38am

The devil with the blue dress?

2 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:54:51am

Oh wait, that was the '90s. My bad.

3 lawhawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:56:07am

Beck is a Mormon? Didn't know that until today. Then again, I'm not a fan, don't watch his show, and generally don't pay attention to him.

I guess I don't have any reason to start, unless I'm looking to catalog the crazy (as part of an ever expanding list of crazy spewing forth from all sides of the political spectrum).

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:56:14am

Methinks Beck has been sipping too much Sacramental Wine.

And yes, I do know Mormons don't go that route, ok? ;)

5 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:56:14am

We may have some Mormon meltdowns on this thread.

Taken at face value, some aspects of Mormon theology are, shall we say, non-standard.

6 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:56:34am

I have exorcised the demon.

This house is clear.

7 lawhawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #1 zombie

No, he went down to Georgia.

8 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:57:13am

The again, the same could be said of many religions. We're just more familiar with their scriptures, so the stories seem more familiar.

9 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:57:34am

If you did not think of Glenn Beck as crazy before, I think this should seal the deal.

10 gruvin  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:57:41am

Any more cartoons? The one you put up a couple of weeks ago was hilarious! This raving lunatic needs a beatdown. The public humiliation brought forth by cartoons is a good start, so bring 'em on!

11 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:57:45am

As my neighbor Tony once said on this forum:

"As a board-certified psychiatrist with an extensive private practice, it is my considered opinion that this person is completely batshit."

12 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:58:03am

re: #5 zombie

Madness from the git-go.

13 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:58:03am

Good heavens. If that's the answer, it makes you wonder what on earth the caller asked.

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 11:59:24am

re: #3 lawhawk

Beck is a Mormon? Didn't know that until today. Then again, I'm not a fan, don't watch his show, and generally don't pay attention to him.

I guess I don't have any reason to start, unless I'm looking to catalog the crazy (as part of an ever expanding list of crazy spewing forth from all sides of the political spectrum).

For me the only time one's personal religious belie matter even one iota to me is when either they are being foisted upon me by force, or when someone acts like an utter horse's ass.

Beck gave us a twofer.

15 J.D.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:00:39pm

I wonder what his ratings are.

16 Racer X  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #9 Honorary Yooper

If you did not think of Glenn Beck as crazy before, I think this should seal the deal.

What sealed the deal for me was his self-glorifying home made video of his near death illness recently. Prior to that I just thought he was a drama queen.

17 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:01:35pm

re: #5 zombie

re: #8 zombie

Glad you amended your first statement. Each sect usually considers all the others to be false.

18 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #15 J.D.

I wonder what his ratings are.

Up for kooks, down for free-thinkers.

19 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:02:33pm

I wonder what he'll say about you on his show this time, "jazz musician". ; )

Maybe he'll call you a cyclist, or a photographer.

20 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:02:48pm

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday in Manhattan that read, "Find Jesus in the Quran."

I thought of Lt Dan.

21 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #16 Racer X

What sealed the deal for me was his self-glorifying home made video of his near death illness recently. Prior to that I just thought he was a drama queen.

Oh good grief, those ads for "The Christmas Sweater" (WTH?) were major league eye-rollers. Drama queen is right.

22 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:03:50pm

re: #15 J.D.

I wonder what his ratings are.

Here's an article from back in March (in the L.A. Times no less). And I think they're even higher now.

Fox News' Glenn Beck strikes ratings gold by challenging Barack Obama

Sad.

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:04:08pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday in Manhattan that read, "Find Jesus in the Quran."

I thought of Lt Dan.

I do believe he is in there, Mo considered him a good prophet is all.

24 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:04:09pm

re: #7 lawhawk

No, he went down to Georgia.


[Video]

The devil went to DC
He was looking for souls to steal
He was in a bind cause he was way behind
And he knew politicians would take his deal

He came across a young man
Reading the teleprompter and reading it hot
So the devil sat down on the podum and said "Boy, let me tell you what"
"And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
"Now you read a good teleprompter, boy, but give the devil his due:
"I bet a teleprompter of gold against your soul, 'cos I think I'm better than you."
The boy said: "My name's Barack and it might be a sin,
"But I'll take your bet, your gonna regret, 'cos I'm the best that's ever been."

25 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:04:09pm

Glenn Beck is batshit crazy. The man's off his rocker; he's got no bloomin' sense. Beck's fucking nuts. He utterly insane, and he's gone to the funny farm for an extended vacation. This nutjob is obviously not running on all cylinders. He's a couple donuts short of a dozen. He's got a few screws loose. The lights are on but no one's at home.

/Apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus and the Dead Parrot sketch.

26 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:04:22pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday in Manhattan that read, "Find Jesus in the Quran."

I thought of Lt Dan.

Lt. Dan..
You ain't got no legs

27 onslow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:04:38pm
28 researchok  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:04:59pm

Beck is the flavor of the month.

SSDD gets old fast.

29 MandyManners  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:05:01pm

This guy is fucking nuts. Is there any chance he has schizotypical personality disorder?

30 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:05:23pm
This isn’t surprising considering that Beck apparently sees Obama as a sort of young, black Lenin

Michelle may not be Victoria's Secret catalogue material, but she's definitely hotter than Krupskaya.

31 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:05:31pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Lt. Dan..
You ain't got no legs

I thought that was Corporal Clegg.
No wait, Corporal Clegg has a wooden leg

32 J.D.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:05:31pm

re: #22 subsailor68

Here's an article from back in March (in the L.A. Times no less). And I think they're even higher now.

Fox News' Glenn Beck strikes ratings gold by challenging Barack Obama

Sad.

Very.

33 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:05:34pm

Obama: "The devil made me do it!"

/whatever it is

34 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:05:44pm

re: #6 Ben Hur

I have exorcised the demon.

This house is clear.

DONT GO INTO THE LIGHT!

35 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:06:14pm

re: #22 subsailor68

Here's an article from back in March (in the L.A. Times no less). And I think they're even higher now.

Fox News' Glenn Beck strikes ratings gold by challenging Barack Obama

Sad.

A real-life Howard Beale.

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:06:25pm

re: #28 researchok

Beck is the flavor of the month.

SSDD gets old fast.

BDS lasted 8 years, and ODS is on track for at least 4 years. Sane is just so old-fashioned.

37 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:07:12pm

re: #6 Ben Hur

I have exorcised the demon.

This house is clear.

Exorcise, exorcise
C'mon everybody
do your exorcise

-Bob McAllister, "Wonderama"

38 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:07:16pm

So?

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:07:41pm

re: #35 Ward Cleaver

A real-life Howard Beale.

The movie Network was prophesy.

40 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:08:34pm

re: #38 voirdire

So?

Next time use the reply or quote links so we here know who and what you are commenting about, ok? ;)

41 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

The movie Network was prophesy.

So is Idiocracy.

42 researchok  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:08:55pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

Good point.

With any luck, his ratings will drop like a stone with time. He'll end up preaching to his off key whacko choir.

43 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:09:12pm

re: #35 Ward Cleaver

A real-life Howard Beale.

LOL! Yep, right on! I caught his television program a couple of times (before having my brain bleached) and it appears he opens every show with a little rant to the camera, then walks to the desk saying, "C'mon, follow me."

Uh, no thanks Glenn. Not even out of idle curiosity. Buh, bye.

44 dave the.....  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:09:29pm

re: #22 subsailor68

Here's an article from back in March (in the L.A. Times no less). And I think they're even higher now.

Fox News' Glenn Beck strikes ratings gold by challenging Barack Obama

Sad.

That is my take. Not sure if he did some kind of focus group, but he figured out a way to make money. Kind of like a right wing Daly show.

45 Shug  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:09:47pm

Glenn Beck is insane

46 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:09:59pm

re: #38 voirdire

So?

You know what? That would be a perfectly valid question... of sorts... if we were talking about an otherwise-rational conservative pundit who just let a metaphor carry him away this one time.

But in light of all the other batshit-crazy stuff Beck has been spewing, his urging his listeners to think of the government as Satanic is quite disturbing.

47 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:10:32pm

re: #29 MandyManners

This guy is fucking nuts. Is there any chance he has schizotypical personality disorder?

I haven't seen him that often, but still I have seen him break down in tears a couple of times. Very disturbing.

48 Throbert McGee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:10:34pm
Furthermore, it will be interesting to see what response Beck’s (unattributed but unmistakable) invocation of Mormon scripture and Mormon prophetic folklore in expressing his political philosophy garners from the conservative evangelical crowd.

My guess is that Beck's evangelical Christian fans have already come to terms with the fact that, as a Mormon, he's by definition a heretic.

49 dave the.....  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:10:54pm

I've tuned in a couple of times. But at 7 PM at night, I'm not prepared to hear how our country is about to disappear.

50 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

I thought that was Corporal Clegg.
No wait, Corporal Clegg has a wooden leg

A couple years ago..I met a lady who's son was in the Movie Forrest Gump..He played the part when Forrest was in the Hospital and the Kid brought him the mail..He was wearing black horned glasses..But in real life he had 20/20 vision..Those crazy producers

51 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:11:24pm

When does GB start performing with live snakes?

52 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:11:38pm

re: #46 Occasional Reader

You know what? That would be a perfectly valid question... of sorts... if we were talking about an otherwise-rational conservative pundit who just let a metaphor carry him away this one time.

But in light of all the other batshit-crazy stuff Beck has been spewing, his urging his listeners to think of the government as Satanic is quite disturbing.

There you go, applying logic to the illogical (Beck). This won't be tolerated any more!

53 go_liam  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:12:08pm

I have this feeling that he's a liberal in extreme denial. Not totally sure why.

54 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:12:22pm

re: #44 dave the.....

Not sure if he did some kind of focus group


"... and they focused us up real good."

-Firesign Theatre

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:12:40pm

re: #48 Throbert McGee

My guess is that Beck's evangelical Christian fans have already come to terms with the fact that, as a Mormon, he's by definition a heretic.

He will be useful only so long as he furthers the far-right fringe agenda.

56 J.D.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:12:49pm

re: #51 jorline

When does GB start performing with live snakes?

Live poisonous snakes?
:D

57 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:12:56pm

Gah. Too much work to do for a Friday afternoon. Later.

58 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:13:10pm

Me and the devil, we're walking side by side...

-Robert Johnson

59 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:13:28pm

re: #51 jorline

When does GB start performing with live snakes?

Since he started being a TV news pundit is my guess.

60 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:13:32pm

re: #46 Occasional Reader

You know what? That would be a perfectly valid question... of sorts... if we were talking about an otherwise-rational conservative pundit who just let a metaphor carry him away this one time.

But in light of all the other batshit-crazy stuff Beck has been spewing, his urging his listeners to think of the government as Satanic is quite disturbing.

You think Beck is an "otherwise-rational conservative pundit?"

61 Shug  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:13:53pm

He's this nuts sober.

Can you imagine this guy on a bender?

wow

62 MandyManners  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:13:58pm

re: #47 opnion

I haven't seen him that often, but still I have seen him break down in tears a couple of times. Very disturbing.

Hystrionic Personality Disorder?

63 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:14:03pm

re: #60 voirdire


if we were talking about an otherwise-rational conservative pundit who just let a metaphor carry him away this one time.
64 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:14:09pm

re: #53 go_liam

I have this feeling that he's a liberal in extreme denial. Not totally sure why.

But if he was liberal wouldn't he think the government was God?

65 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:14:29pm

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

66 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:14:39pm

re: #64 brookly red

But if he was liberal wouldn't he think the government was God?

No, only O is.

67 J.D.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #63 Ben Hur

Depends on what the meaning of the word "if" is...

68 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:14:49pm

re: #58 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me and the devil, we're walking side by side...

-Robert Johnson

Hell hounds on my trail..
So just come..into my kitchen

69 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #63 Ben Hur


ditto

70 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:15:16pm

re: #58 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me and the devil, we're walking side by side...

-Robert Johnson

I picked up my bag, I went lookin' for a place to hide;
When I saw Carmen and the Devil walkin' side by side.
I said, "Hey, Carmen, come on, let's go downtown."
She said, "I gotta go, but m'friend can stick around."
-- The Band

71 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:15:47pm

re: #61 Shug

He's this nuts sober.

Can you imagine this guy on a bender?

wow

I'd rather not. If he's a bottle short of a six-pack sober, then drunk he could be worse.

72 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Only if you have some hot tamales, and they're red hot.

73 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:15:57pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

What are the chances he'll go to Jerusalem, or even Tel Aviv?

74 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:08pm

re: #47 opnion

I haven't seen him that often, but still I have seen him break down in tears a couple of times. Very disturbing.

He's got two dimensions, basically. He's either being a clown, or a drama queen. I honestly can't imagine how anyone could take him seriously.

75 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:10pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

Another apology tour, my guess.

76 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:14pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

Appropriate.

I'm sure it won't be in that giant slum they call Cairo.

Appearances appearances.

77 MandyManners  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:21pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

I mis-read the date as July 4 and about burst a vein in record time.

78 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:37pm

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

Let him stay in Egypt.

79 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Hystrionic Personality Disorder?

I think his spikey hairdo is growing right down into his brain.

80 Shug  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:46pm

Surprised he chose June 4th instead of July 4th

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

81 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:54pm

Beck was a Catholic and converted to Mormonism as an adult. I think the fact that he's an alcoholic and the LDS strict no drug laws appealed to him.

82 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:16:55pm

Well, DUH!

Work-Life Balance a Challenge, Says Michelle Obama, But Having White House Staff Helps

As the link of Drudge says, 'Everyone should have a chief of staff and a set of personal assistants'...

83 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:00pm

re: #51 jorline

When does GB start performing with live snakes?

Give him enough time. He's still getting warmed up. When he starts speaking in tongues, then we'll know he's ready for the snakes.

84 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #74 capitalist piglet

He's got two dimensions, basically. He's either being a clown, or a drama queen. I honestly can't imagine how anyone could take him seriously.

FNC really jumped the shark here.

85 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:07pm

re: #65 jorline

I'm sure he will be giving from the top of the Sphinx.

86 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:18pm

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

What are the chances he'll go to Jerusalem, or even Tel Aviv?

Slim to none and slim left town, Kosh. :(

87 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:41pm

Will he discuss the Egyptian Muslim relationship with the Coptic Christians?

Or just the evil American crusader campaign against the Muslim ewoks.

88 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:48pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

Oh, great.

To quote a famous NFL wide receiver: "Getcha popcorn ready."

89 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:17:53pm

If it smells, it sells.

90 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:18:03pm

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, DUH!

Work-Life Balance a Challenge, Says Michelle Obama, But Having White House Staff Helps

As the link of Drudge says, 'Everyone should have a chief of staff and a set of personal assistants'...

And a full time make-up artist on our dime.

91 J.D.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:18:26pm

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, DUH!

Work-Life Balance a Challenge, Says Michelle Obama, But Having White House Staff Helps

As the link of Drudge says, 'Everyone should have a chief of staff and a set of personal assistants'...

And $500 sneakers.

92 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #87 Ben Hur

Will he discuss the Egyptian Muslim relationship with the Coptic Christians?

Or just the evil American crusader campaign against the Muslim ewoks.

Can I have the weekend & get back to ya?

93 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:18:37pm

re: #76 Ben Hur

Appropriate.

I'm sure it won't be in that giant slum they call Cairo.

Appearances appearances.

A lot of speech to perform and so few cities.
/

94 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:18:44pm

re: #85 KenJen

I'm sure he will be giving from the top of the Sphinx.

HAHAHAHAHAHH!

She's not that modern, is she?

95 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:19:07pm

Went down to the levee but the devil caught me there
Took my twenty dollar bill and vanished in the air

-Grateful Dead

Hey, maybe Beck is right!

96 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:19:28pm

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, DUH!

Work-Life Balance a Challenge, Says Michelle Obama, But Having White House Staff Helps

As the link of Drudge says, 'Everyone should have a chief of staff and a set of personal assistants'...

He'd better watch it, or the administration will propose just that, using illegal immigrants undocumented workers.

97 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:19:53pm

re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee

Only if you have some hot tamales, and they're red hot.

One of Mr. Johnson's greatest song...
I just finished Children of the Blues.. Great book written by the children of some of the greatest Blues players in the world..Mind blowing up close and personal stories ever published

98 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

The Six Day War started on June 5th 1967. Any correlation, or just bad timing? At least I think it is bad timing.

99 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News
President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.
No linked story yet.

I just heard on the radio that his "budget cuts" include funding for radiation detectors for NYC bridges & tunnels...something is not right here.

100 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:20:43pm

OT, but we're close to the 100 post mark.

Gee, for those on the left who say this administration isn't really in bed with the unions, it ain't just the UAW:

U.S. threatens to rescind stimulus money over wage cuts

The sub-head:

The Obama administration threatens to rescind billions in stimulus money if Gov. Schwarzenegger and lawmakers do not restore wage cuts to unionized home healthcare workers.

And the union in question:

Service Employees International Union and the United Domestic Workers

Yep, the SEIU.

The SEIU said in a statement that it had asked the Obama administration for the ruling.

101 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:20:54pm

re: #77 MandyManners

I mis-read the date as July 4 and about burst a vein in record time.

lol...same here. I keyed in on the 4th. I'm sure he has a show stopper planed for July 4th though.

102 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:01pm

re: #84 opnion

FNC really jumped the shark here.

I really think they wanted their very own Jon Stewart. I've seen his show maybe two or three times, and it looks to me like that's the idea.

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:05pm

Who can tell the difference with all the clowns working there?

Comedian sneaks into US State department

104 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:20pm

Beck made a fortune for the those that ignored his constant doom an gloom comments about the economy. He may depress it a bit by those on the right that follow him selling stock, but others are picking up the slack. His constant battering of GM and Chrysler just drives up my Ford stock. He referred Chrysler's "junk cars" just this week, nice.

105 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

The Six Day War started on June 5th 1967. Any correlation, or just bad timing? At least I think it is bad timing.


Maybe not.

The Egyptians celebrate their GREAT VICTORY over Israel in the 6 Day War that week.

Don't think the State Dept. doesn't know that.

106 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #97 HoosierHoops

One of Mr. Johnson's greatest song...
I just finished Children of the Blues.. Great book written by the children of some of the greatest Blues players in the world..Mind blowing up close and personal stories ever published

I haven't read that one. Is Shemekia Copeland in it? I booked her at a local blues festival in the 90s. This was right before she signed with Alligator and got really popular.

107 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:44pm

re: #85 KenJen

I'm sure he will be giving from the top of the Sphinx.

He could become a rotating title?

108 Throbert McGee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:21:44pm

re: #5 zombie

We may have some Mormon meltdowns on this thread.

I certainly hope not.

ATTENTION ALL LIZARDS: No matter what your personal religious views, there are plenty of other people on here who think your belief system is a pile of unalloyed jive. That's life. Smile and soldier on.

109 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:22:34pm

re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #8 zombie

Glad you amended your first statement. Each sect usually considers all the others to be false.

Didn't mean to offend. I'm just saying that from a "mainstream" Christian point of reference, some Book of Mormon stuff is indeed quite "non-standard." And from a non-believer's standpoint, some of the stuff in the Bible itself is, well, "non-standard" in realation to physical reality.

110 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:22:38pm

re: #99 brookly red

I just heard on the radio that his "budget cuts" include funding for radiation detectors for NYC bridges & tunnels...something is not right here.

Oh my. I sure hope ACORN is still getting its money.

/////////

111 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #102 capitalist piglet

I really think they wanted their very own Jon Stewart. I've seen his show maybe two or three times, and it looks to me like that's the idea.

Then I think that they should have gone with Dennis Miller.

112 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:23:03pm

re: #77 MandyManners

I mis-read the date as July 4 and about burst a vein in record time.

Funny, me too : ) No way I could have spun that choice of date.

113 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:23:37pm

re: #108 Throbert McGee

I certainly hope not.

ATTENTION ALL LIZARDS: No matter what your personal religious views, there are plenty of other people on here who think your belief system is a pile of unalloyed jive. That's life. Smile and soldier on.

Fully agree.

114 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:23:43pm

re: #109 zombie

Didn't mean to offend. I'm just saying that from a "mainstream" Christian point of reference, some Book of Mormon stuff is indeed quite "non-standard." And from a non-believer's standpoint, some of the stuff in the Bible itself is, well, "non-standard" in realation to physical reality.

I personally took no offense, but there are others here who could have.

115 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:23:59pm

re: #107 jorline

He could become a rotating title?

Barak Obama Live! from the top of the Sphinx. Featuring the King Tut Dancers.

116 debutaunt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #108 Throbert McGee

I certainly hope not.

ATTENTION ALL LIZARDS: No matter what your personal religious views, there are plenty of other people on here who think your belief system is a pile of unalloyed jive. That's life. Smile and soldier on.

But Pastafarians worship pure highly alloyed jive.

117 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:24:56pm

re: #111 opnion

Then I think that they should have gone with Dennis Miller.

True. Miller's actually funny, but he makes fun of both sides. I was a fan of his HBO show back in the 1990s and early 2000s.

118 pingjockey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:25:10pm

Waaay OT, I've loaded FireFox and LGF still loads slower than hell and switching threads takes at least a minute and a half! WTH?

119 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #100 subsailor68

OT, but we're close to the 100 post mark.

Gee, for those on the left who say this administration isn't really in bed with the unions, it ain't just the UAW:

U.S. threatens to rescind stimulus money over wage cuts


The sub-head:

The Obama administration threatens to rescind billions in stimulus money if Gov. Schwarzenegger and lawmakers do not restore wage cuts to unionized home healthcare workers.

And the union in question:

Service Employees International Union and the United Domestic Workers

Yep, the SEIU.

The SEIU said in a statement that it had asked the Obama administration for the ruling.

Two body blows to Gov Arnold from Obama today. This one and the non payment to states for housing illegal immigrant criminals in prisons. Wonder how Arnold is feeling these days, he was sucking up big time to Obama after his election.

Of course, us Californians will pay the price, but still there is a bit of a snark in me that Obama was so swift to turn on Arnold.

120 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:25:22pm

re: #116 debutaunt

But Pastafarians worship pure highly alloyed jive.

I thought they worshipped really limp jive with meatballs.

121 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:25:55pm

re: #115 KenJen

Barak Obama Live! from the top of the Sphinx. Featuring the King Tut Dancers.

King Tut

122 KingKenrod  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:25:58pm

re: #100 subsailor68

OT, but we're close to the 100 post mark.

Gee, for those on the left who say this administration isn't really in bed with the unions, it ain't just the UAW:

U.S. threatens to rescind stimulus money over wage cuts

The sub-head:

The Obama administration threatens to rescind billions in stimulus money if Gov. Schwarzenegger and lawmakers do not restore wage cuts to unionized home healthcare workers.

And the union in question:

Service Employees International Union and the United Domestic Workers

Yep, the SEIU.

The SEIU said in a statement that it had asked the Obama administration for the ruling.

Interesting how the stimulus money was pitched as absolutely essential to economic recovery, but the administration is perfectly willing to withhold large chunks of the money to one of the most desperate states for pure politics.

123 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:02pm

re: #118 pingjockey

Waaay OT, I've loaded FireFox and LGF still loads slower than hell and switching threads takes at least a minute and a half! WTH?


Always like that for me.

124 debutaunt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #120 Honorary Yooper

I thought they worshipped really limp jive with meatballs.

Al dente jive of the highest order.

125 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #108 Throbert McGee

I certainly hope not.

ATTENTION ALL LIZARDS: No matter what your personal religious views, there are plenty of other people on here who think your belief system is a pile of unalloyed jive. That's life. Smile and soldier on.

To paraphrase Dennis Miller: My belief in the unknowable is better than your belief in the unknowable.

126 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:32pm

re: #118 pingjockey

Waaay OT, I've loaded FireFox and LGF still loads slower than hell and switching threads takes at least a minute and a half! WTH?

I think the problem relates to the amount of RAM one has. At least that is my guess from my personal experience with LGF and other sites. The problem is not the browser or LGF's code, but a lack of processing power.

127 debutaunt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #123 voirdire

Always like that for me.

It should have come out before the trial.

128 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:56pm

re: #119 Russkilitlover

Two body blows to Gov Arnold from Obama today. This one and the non payment to states for housing illegal immigrant criminals in prisons. Wonder how Arnold is feeling these days, he was sucking up big time to Obama after his election.

Of course, us Californians will pay the price, but still there is a bit of a snark in me that Obama was so swift to turn on Arnold.

I'd heard that too. There are so many good folks in California that end up suffering from crap like this. I hope you guys can turn it around some day!

129 jaunte  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:26:58pm

Respect the Smilingsoldieronners.

130 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:27:13pm

re: #115 KenJen

Barak Obama Live! from the top of the Sphinx. Featuring the King Tut [Belly] Dancers.

All right!

131 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:27:17pm

re: #115 KenJen

Barak Obama Live! from the top of the Sphinx. Featuring the King Tut Dancers.

If one of the dancers kicks over the teleprompter, there will be hell to pay. Do you hear me? HELL TO PAY!

132 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:27:18pm

re: #126 zombie

I think the problem relates to the amount of RAM one has. At least that is my guess from my personal experience with LGF and other sites. The problem is not the browser or LGF's code, but a lack of processing power.


512 not enough!

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:27:39pm

re: #104 avanti

Yeah, easier to dismiss Beck doing some gloom and doom schtick when the administration is going whole hog at it as well.

Geez, you just keep in spinning. You should consider hiring yourself out as an alternative energy source.

134 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:27:53pm

re: #126 zombie

I think the problem relates to the amount of RAM one has. At least that is my guess from my personal experience with LGF and other sites. The problem is not the browser or LGF's code, but a lack of processing power.

Which is way I like LGF on my home computer (Vista, Firefox) over LGF on my work computer (XP, IE7). I got way more memory at home.

135 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:28:02pm

re: #121 redstateredneck

King Tut

King Mutt?
/

136 pingjockey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:28:27pm

re: #126 zombie

Thanks. I was thinking that, but wanted my suppostition/suspicion confirmed by someone a bit more technical minded than me. Hell, I fix electronics, just not computers!

137 solomonpanting  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:21pm

re: #65 jorline

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt .

That makes sense. His whole economic policy is a pyramid scheme.

138 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:22pm

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yeah, easier to dismiss Beck doing some gloom and doom schtick when the administration is going whole hog at it as well.

Geez, you just keep in spinning. You should consider hiring yourself out as an alternative energy source.

You missed BHO shifting gears once the stimulus bill passed. Once he got that done, he's been cheer leading recently.

139 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:23pm

If the gubermint is the debil, then Obama be the anti-christ!

//////////////////

140 Shug  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:30pm
141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:31pm

re: #118 pingjockey

Waaay OT, I've loaded FireFox and LGF still loads slower than hell and switching threads takes at least a minute and a half! WTH?

You should have been running FF before Charles did a number of his latest tweaks. 5 minute loads on smallish threads wasn't uncommon, largish (500+) load times were impossible.

142 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yeah, easier to dismiss Beck doing some gloom and doom schtick when the administration is going whole hog at it as well.

Geez, you just keep in spinning. You should consider hiring yourself out as an alternative energy source.

Hook up a couple of wires to Avanti's spin, and he could power the avaerage suburban house for a week.

143 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #136 pingjockey

Thanks. I was thinking that, but wanted my suppostition/suspicion confirmed by someone a bit more technical minded than me. Hell, I fix electronics, just not computers!

Don't take my word for it -- I'm no expert. But that is my non-expert supposition based on various experiences.

144 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:37pm

Markets update:
DJIA 8,555.53 +145.68

NASDAQ 1,736.47 +20.23

S&P 500 926.74 +19.35

10 Yr. Treas 3.29 -0.04

145 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:29:57pm

re: #106 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't read that one. Is Shemekia Copeland in it? I booked her at a local blues festival in the 90s. This was right before she signed with Alligator and got really popular.

I can't say..I left the book at work..But I'll give you the details Monday..It has like 30 different Chapters..The most interesting to me was the story Delbert McClenton talks about how he taught John Lennon how to play harp..He admits most of the Legend is bullshit..But he tells us the real story when they met up and jammed together..Just a great freaking book...It was a gift

146 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #131 capitalist piglet

If one of the dancers kicks over the teleprompter, there will be hell to pay. Do you hear me? HELL TO PAY!

What ever happened to that Syrian fellow who was plotting to shank him in Turkey?

147 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:30:13pm

re: #137 solomonpanting

That makes sense. His whole economic policy is a pyramid scheme.

Tooo funny. Spot on.

148 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #138 avanti

You missed BHO shifting gears once the stimulus bill passed. Once he got that done, he's been cheer leading recently.

All the man does is campaign. He campaigns here, he campaigns there, he campaigns everywhere.

149 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #139 jcm

If the gubermint is the debil, then Obama be the anti-christ!

//////////////////


If the shoe fits . .

150 Jimmah  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:30:50pm

The American government = the Great Satan? With this sort of rhetoric, Ahmedinejad would make a suitable guest on Glenn Beck. Or has he been booked already?

151 pingjockey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:16pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, crap!
BTW, when Beck was on CNN, I thought he was quite sane and lucid. Now....!

152 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:18pm

re: #149 voirdire

If the shoe fits . .

throw it?

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:19pm

re: #144 Catttt

Hooray!

154 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:27pm

re: #138 avanti

If this is what you consider cheerleading, I don't want to know what you consider doom and gloom from the Holy Messiah-King to be.

155 JHW  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #126 zombie

I'm having the same trouble pingjockey mentions only in the last 2 days. Endless spinning , erratic and very slow loading, kicking to blank pages, kicking out of thread to a different one.....very weird behavior and my machine is loaded with RAM and is a fairly high spec gaming one.

156 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:47pm

re: #150 Jimmah

The American government = the Great Satan? With this sort of rhetoric, Ahmedinejad would make a suitable guest on Glenn Beck. Or has he been booked already?

Wait. All batshit crazy eventually seems to come together for brief moments.

157 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:31:47pm

OT,
VDH hits this one out of the ballpark......
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

158 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:32:20pm

re: #151 pingjockey

Well, crap!
BTW, when Beck was on CNN, I thought he was quite sane and lucid. Now....!

He's been unleashed.

159 pingjockey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:32:29pm

re: #143 zombie

You have your own blog! So you have to 'mess about" with more operating stuff than I do. I'll take your word.

160 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #138 avanti

You missed BHO shifting gears once the stimulus bill passed. Once he got that done, he's been cheer leading recently.

Some cheer leading. Telling secured debt holders in Chrysler to fuck off.

161 voirdire  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:33:01pm

re: #155 JHW

I'm having the same trouble pingjockey mentions only in the last 2 days. Endless spinning , erratic and very slow loading, kicking to blank pages, kicking out of thread to a different one.....very weird behavior and my machine is loaded with RAM and is a fairly high spec gaming one.

Government backdoot having trouble logging in . . .

162 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:33:31pm

re: #142 Honorary Yooper

Nope, spinning would be trying to claim Beck has been upbeat. That indeed would power some homes. If he starts talking up the economy, it'll be time to get out IMHO.

163 Yashmak  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:33:32pm

re: #117 Honorary Yooper

True. Miller's actually funny, but he makes fun of both sides. I was a fan of his HBO show back in the 1990s and early 2000s.

To be fair, Jon Stewart pokes almost at much fun at libs as he does at conservatives.

164 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #151 pingjockey

Well, crap!
BTW, when Beck was on CNN, I thought he was quite sane and lucid. Now....!

Sane appearing only because of where he was pontificating from.

165 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:33:41pm

re: #151 pingjockey

On CNN he was kept on a fairly short leash -- only occassionally acting out -- but on FOX, he seems to be going off the wall on a daily basis...(I don't watch FOX, btw -- so this is from what I'm hearing.)...

166 pingjockey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:34:17pm

re: #160 jcm

Well, d'uh. He has to pay off the unions first.

167 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:34:28pm

re: #160 jcm

Welcome to Chicago in DC. Want an Outfit of corruption with that?

168 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:35:07pm

re: #162 avanti

You are just one clueless fuck, ain't ya?

But why repeat myself?

169 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #145 HoosierHoops

The best blues books I recently read were ones that debunk the whole Robert Johnson crossroads, sold his soul myth:

Robert Johnson: Lost & Found and Escaping the Delta.

I highly recommend pretty much anything by Peter Guralnick.

170 Jimmah  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:35:38pm

Orbital with their singalong hit from 2002 'Satan'.

171 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:35:44pm

Heh. I was busy responding to this topic on the last thread and didn't notice a whole thread devoted to it.

Some new comments and then my repost:

First no meltdown here. We'd rather come into your house and teach you what we believe than argue on a blog. (Thus my son spending two years in the Phillipines at his own expense)...

I am fully aware many of my beliefs are peculiar and Joseph Smith himself said as much in the early days ("We are a peculiar people" and "I wouldn't have believed it myself if it hadn't happened to me")

Cleon Skausen is a Mormon and had a lot of followers in the cold war years. I've been a member for 21 years and never read a Cleon Skousen book but I've had conversations with the Bircher fans and the conspiracy theorists. I'd say they run at best a few percent of the total Church population today. Theres one in every ward (local congregation).

Now the punch line: What Beck is teaching is not Mormon Doctrine. However...

--- repost---
There are two possible connections in Beck's ideology with the LDS faith. One is related to the quote you shared and the LDS value on individual agency. Any type of unrighteous dominion (seeking to force someone to do what they ought to do voluntarily or worse abuse for selfish reasons) by individuals or organizations is seen as being evil or having its origin "of the devil". Beck's statement the the government "is the devil" could be a clumsy analogy.

The second is in the Book of Mormon narrative where unrighteous individuals in opposition Gods will seek to take over the government and society using secret combinations to get gain. The warning is that we will see these secret combinations (think Mafia, , dictators, gangs, unholy alliances) in our day. Mormons have speculated that these can be everything from pornographers selling their wares to minors to organized conspiracy. Official doctrine does not specify which groups.

The Mormons are like any culture in which you will get a range of responses to our own holy writ including the Bible. In general we tend to be less literal than many evangelical faiths but we have our movements that are waiting for the secret combinations to crawl out from behind every rock. It sounds like Brother Beck is listening to some of those people.

I love the Saints but I won't excuse careless speculation either.

Hope that helps.

172 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:36:12pm

Trying to think of what black metal video to link to make fun of Mr. Beck. Can't make up my mind. So..

Guess what country this guy is from?

173 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:36:39pm

re: #155 JHW

I'm having the same trouble pingjockey mentions only in the last 2 days. Endless spinning , erratic and very slow loading, kicking to blank pages, kicking out of thread to a different one.....very weird behavior and my machine is loaded with RAM and is a fairly high spec gaming one.

Hmmmmmm. Well, only Charles can answer the question, then.

174 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:36:42pm

re: #148 Honorary Yooper

All the man does is campaign. He campaigns here, he campaigns there, he campaigns everywhere.


I can't spin that, he needs to keep his popularity up to get his agenda passed. He'll campaign 24/7 to avoid losing support.

175 aRedPhishHead  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:36:44pm

Sigh.

I used to like Glenn Beck. He's much funnier on the radio (where he has been for many years and where he should have stayed), but this kind of rhetoric is counterproductive.

Is it entirely unreasonable to tone it down, Glenn? I mean, the government is a necessary evil in some areas (infrastructure, protection of individual liberties, military and defense, courts, civilian security (police, fire, EMT, etc.), schools [despite protestations of Paulians, the horse left the barn looooong ago as it did with the Federal Reserve], etc.).

Sure - we don't want it sticking it's heavy hand into every area of our lives and we don't want it making it harder for us to make a living, but just remember that many people in the government (the civil servants, not the disgraceful, blowhard politicians) were and are people like my father - an long-time IRS agent. He made sure that large companies, casinos and others didn't skate on their share while you were stuck paying yours - regardless of [political affiliation, belief, etc.

I consider myself more a a libertarian, but I'm smart enough to accept that some things are necessary and proper functions of government and others certainly are not. That's obviously what you MEANT to say, Glenn, so why all the REPENT NOW THE GOVERNMENT IS THE DEVIL AND WILL KILL YOUR SOUL hyperventilating? I mean, your ratings are pretty good. Just chill out, brother. It doesn't always need to go to 11. Going to 11 is only for when you need that extra push over the cliff, sayeth Nigel.

Again, counterproductive. I think much more of a service can be done by highlighting the abuses and mismanagement that occurs every day in teh government without jettisoning the entire apparatus. Yes?

176 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:37:07pm

re: #160 jcm

Some cheer leading. Telling secured debt holders in Chrysler to fuck off.

Give me an F...Give me a U.....Give me a C....

177 debutaunt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:37:31pm

re: #157 LGoPs

OT,
VDH hits this one out of the ballpark......
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

"If the Republicans can offer a sane alternative of balanced budgets to the current mega-deficits; if they demonstrate the nexus between those who don’t pay taxes and those who have so much money that they don’t worry about taxes; and if they can talk without braggadocio of the tough choices abroad that are not solved by apologies, then they will win again in 2012."

178 Throbert McGee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:37:50pm

re: #125 Russkilitlover

To paraphrase Dennis Miller: My belief in the unknowable is better than your belief in the unknowable.

Or, as Ben Franklin said, "Many a lengthy dispute between theologians may be abridged thusly: 'Tis so! 'Tis not! 'Tis so! 'Tis not!"

179 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:38:40pm

re: #29 MandyManners

This guy is fucking nuts. Is there any chance he has schizotypical personality disorder?

actually like me he has adult attention deficit disorder years ago i sometimes ranted and babbled on about things what he needs is affective meds and possibly diet restrictions on processed sugars otherwise he can be entertaining basicly being batshit off the wall is his schtik

180 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:38:55pm

re: #109 zombie

Didn't mean to offend. I'm just saying that from a "mainstream" Christian point of reference, some Book of Mormon stuff is indeed quite "non-standard." And from a non-believer's standpoint, some of the stuff in the Bible itself is, well, "non-standard" in realation to physical reality.


Yup. IN addition to the Bible we beleive the Book of Mormon was scripture about the followers of Christ in the Western Hemisphere from the time of 600BC to 400AD. In addition we have modern revelations in our Doctrine and Covenants and some other revelations like the Book of Moses quoted in part above. For us continued revelation is a standard component of the Church, and the canonical revelations were mostly around the time of the Church's founding in the 1800s.

181 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:39:01pm

re: #144 Catttt

Markets update:
DJIA 8,555.53 +145.68

NASDAQ 1,736.47 +20.23

S&P 500 926.74 +19.35

10 Yr. Treas 3.29 -0.04

This is starting to make me a little nervous. I never like it when the market goes straight up, like it has for a solid couple of months now.

It may be time to take some money off the table. Or at least have a look at rebalancing.

182 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:39:12pm
183 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:39:15pm

re: #176 KenJen

Give me an F...Give me a U.....Give me a C....

That's the favorite cheer at Farmer's University of Central Kansas.

/

184 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:39:22pm

Here's another pic of the mystery guy, and if you cheat - his name is in the link.

185 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:39:30pm

re: #169 Mad Al-Jaffee

The best blues books I recently read were ones that debunk the whole Robert Johnson crossroads, sold his soul myth:

Robert Johnson: Lost & Found and Escaping the Delta.

I highly recommend pretty much anything by Peter Guralnick.

Thank you..I'll check those titles out

186 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:39:50pm

re: #172 Catttt

Yer not thinking hard enough...

TWO
SECONDS
HELL,
R

187 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:06pm

re: #174 avanti

I can't spin that, he needs to keep his popularity up to get his agenda passed. He'll campaign 24/7 to avoid losing support.

Good, that leaves him no time to fuck up anything else.

188 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #182 Iron Fist

Possession is good for the soul...

And it's 9/10 of the law, I hear.

/

189 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:13pm

Oh hell. This is just too good to pass up:

U.S. Government Funds $400,000 Study on Gay Sex in Argentina Bars

The sub-head:

The National Institutes of Health are paying researchers to cruise bars in Buenos Aires to find out why gay men engage in risky sexual behavior while drunk -- and what can be done about it.

Uh, let me think a minute. It's coming to me. Oh yeah, they're doing it BECAUSE THEY"RE DRUNK.

Next up, NIH invests $400,000 to determine why drunk women show their breasts for plastic beads during Mardi Gras.

Spit.

190 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:34pm

re: #160 jcm

Some cheer leading. Telling secured debt holders in Chrysler to fuck off.

Ya know, I don't know the details of the whole deal, but on the surface, it seemed a ill advised comment. We'll know more once the court rules, but so far it's a he said/they said deal.

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:41pm

re: #174 avanti

You can't spin it? Whoa!

How about O doing what is RIGHT instead of what is POPULAR?

But you sure gave it a college try anyway spinning it away.

192 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:43pm

re: #176 KenJen

Give me an F...Give me a U.....Give me a C....

Cleaning lunch off my monitor...

ROFL!

193 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:40:57pm

re: #184 Catttt

Here's another pic of the mystery guy, and if you cheat - his name is in the link.

I must have missed something. Who is this guy? Please don't tell me he used to be a woman.

194 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:41:22pm

re: #45 Shug

Glenn Beck is insane

just pictured beck as crazy eddie saying my prices are insane

195 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:41:27pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Oh hell. This is just too good to pass up:

U.S. Government Funds $400,000 Study on Gay Sex in Argentina Bars

Heard about that one yesterday. A morning show host thought they were just looking for an excuse to go to Argentina.

196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:41:28pm

re: #65 jorline

CNN's Breaking News

President Obama will deliver a speech on June 4 in Egypt on America's relationship with Muslims, the White House says.

No linked story yet.

Given this man's rather tenuous grasp of history, I bet he'll claim that the muslims built the Pyramids.

197 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:41:42pm
198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:42:29pm

re: #190 avanti

You've just powered another 25 homes with that comment.

199 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:42:44pm

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

Heard about that one yesterday. A morning show host thought they were just looking for an excuse to go to Argentina.

LOL! Well, unless the researchers themselves are gay, it doesn't sound like a whole lotta fun.

;-)

200 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:42:50pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Next up, NIH invests $400,000 to determine why drunk women show their breasts for plastic beads during Mardi Gras.

I've already got a grant proposal out for that research. Back off.

201 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #200 SixDegrees

I've already got a grant proposal out for that research. Back off.

Oh yeah? Well MY grant proposal includes full-color photos. So there.

:-)

202 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:44:07pm

re: #180 DaddyG

Yup. IN addition to the Bible we beleive the Book of Mormon was scripture about the followers of Christ in the Western Hemisphere from the time of 600BC to 400AD.

That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that to Christians, some Mormon theology is "non-standard."

203 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:44:44pm

re: #194 JimmyTheClaw

just pictured beck as crazy eddie saying my prices are insane

Or "The Wiz" on Seinfeld. Nooooobody beats me!

204 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:44:47pm

re: #189 subsailor68

Oh hell. This is just too good to pass up:

U.S. Government Funds $400,000 Study on Gay Sex in Argentina Bars

The sub-head:

The National Institutes of Health are paying researchers to cruise bars in Buenos Aires to find out why gay men engage in risky sexual behavior while drunk -- and what can be done about it.

Uh, let me think a minute. It's coming to me. Oh yeah, they're doing it BECAUSE THEY"RE DRUNK.

Next up, NIH invests $400,000 to determine why drunk women show their breasts for plastic beads during Mardi Gras.

Spit.

I wonder if my wife will let me work on that research?
Why do I think not?

205 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:44:52pm

re: #146 brookly red

What ever happened to that Syrian fellow who was plotting to shank him in Turkey?

Probably somewhere plotting to unplug the teleprompter.

206 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:44:53pm
207 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:45:32pm

re: #190 avanti

Ya know, I don't know the details of the whole deal, but on the surface, it seemed a ill advised comment. We'll know more once the court rules, but so far it's a he said/they said deal.

Come on, secured debt holders are the first to be paid in a bankruptcy. The managers of those debts stood up for the law and their clients. They got cut out and shafted because they stood up to The One, his minions then turn around and try to get peoples names released, blatant bullying.

Ill advised comment my ass.

208 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:45:36pm

re: #201 subsailor68

Oh yeah? Well MY grant proposal includes full-color photos. So there.

:-)

Maybe we should issue a joint proposal. That way, it would be worth over a million, because of the additional overhead needed to coordinate communication between our two teams.

209 Justabill  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:45:59pm

re: #201 subsailor68

Oh yeah? Well MY grant proposal includes full-color photos. So there.

:-)

Well I propose doing hands-on research...

210 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Given this man's rather tenuous grasp of history, I bet he'll claim that the muslims built the Pyramids.

100%.

211 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:46:20pm

re: #199 subsailor68

LOL! Well, unless the researchers themselves are gay, it doesn't sound like a whole lotta fun.

;-)

I believe Barney Frank sponsored that research.
/

212 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:46:52pm

re: #181 SixDegrees

This is starting to make me a little nervous. I never like it when the market goes straight up, like it has for a solid couple of months now.

It may be time to take some money off the table. Or at least have a look at rebalancing.

I share your concern, 30% in a few weeks is scary. My broker predicted DOW 7000 in April and I got back in, but it went higher, now he's keeping me in for a bit. I'm making some money in bank stocks, but am heavy in GE and Ford.

213 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:46:56pm

re: #206 Iron Fist

Hey, man, but it's just tax money. Taxes are scheduled to go up next year, so maybe they'll spend a million dollars researching goat sex in Mecca. Part of the cultural diversity programs that are going to get something like a billion dollars.

Don't forget the export market for post sex goats.

214 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:47:01pm

re: #202 zombie
...and that is a fair statement. Having been on the outside and inside of the LDS faith I can understand that some of my beliefs can be "flying spaghetti monster" stuff to outsiders. I wouldn't believe it without personal revelation about the matter. (Which is getting into a whole other kettle of fish - I know).

215 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:47:12pm

re: #208 SixDegrees

Maybe we should issue a joint proposal. That way, it would be worth over a million, because of the additional overhead needed to coordinate communication between our two teams.

I'm with ya! Hmmm, we probably shouldn't refer to it as a "joint" proposal though.

;-)

216 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:47:42pm

re: #196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Given this man's rather tenuous grasp of history, I bet he'll claim that the muslims built the Pyramids.

You are being quite generous there, utter lack is more the case.

217 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:47:58pm

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

Heard about that one yesterday. A morning show host thought they were just looking for an excuse to go to Argentina.

NIH funded it last year, we need to keep a closer look on how they spend our tax money.

218 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:48:04pm

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

Heard about that one yesterday. A morning show host thought they were just looking for an excuse to go to Argentina.

Social Scientists are studying the "vibe" at these clubs. I don't want to know what instrument they use to measure it with.

219 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:48:14pm

I'm just sitting back and watching the show on this one...

lol.

220 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:48:21pm
221 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:48:30pm

re: #215 subsailor68

I'm with ya! Hmmm, we probably shouldn't refer to it as a "joint" proposal though.

;-)

We should also probably avoid saying we came together to make this work.

223 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:48:57pm

re: #217 avanti

You mean like shutting down NASA?

BAD
MOVES,
R

224 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:49:32pm

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

Heard about that one yesterday. A morning show host thought they were just looking for an excuse to go to Argentina.

and just what do they plan to do with their findings?

225 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:49:38pm
But he will be aware of the sensibilities of his German hosts before the D-Day commemoration and by travelling to Dresden — a city destroyed by ferocious Allied bombing in February 1945 — Mr Obama will also acknowledge how Germany suffered during the Second World War.
226 debutaunt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:49:42pm

re: #217 avanti

NIH funded it last year, we need to keep a closer look on how they spend our tax money.

Obama will go through it line item by line item and keep us informed with his unending campaigns.

227 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:49:45pm

re: #186 Render

Oh, alright, Mr. Smartypants. :D
Content warning - nudity, violence, etc., etc.

228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:50:01pm

Glenn? There's a guy over here who thinks he's Napoleon & is eating some tin foil. He's asking if you could please tone it down a bit.

229 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:50:08pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

Idiots.

WTF?!? There is so much real stuff happening, and this shit is what the pundits are hyperventilating about?

230 KingKenrod  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:50:51pm

re: #138 avanti

You missed BHO shifting gears once the stimulus bill passed. Once he got that done, he's been cheer leading recently.

He called senior debt holders "speculators" and blamed them for single-handedly forcing Chrysler into bankruptcy. These are the people who saved Chrysler a few years ago.

It's the same old class warfare he's always played. If you think he's changed, you're a fool.

231 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:50:51pm

re: #207 jcm

Come on, secured debt holders are the first to be paid in a bankruptcy. The managers of those debts stood up for the law and their clients. They got cut out and shafted because they stood up to The One, his minions then turn around and try to get peoples names released, blatant bullying.

Ill advised comment my ass.

You may be right. One side said they were holding out for a unreasonable amount, you say they were standing up for their clients. We'll see if the judge gives them less or more.

232 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:50:58pm

If my internet connection would let me enjoy the show...but it isn't.

Must go.

Later all!

233 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:51:45pm

re: #231 avanti

15 more homes will have power to watch American Idol.

234 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:51:50pm

re: #217 avanti

NIH funded it last year, we need to keep a closer look on how they spend our tax money.

Do you think?

See post 99.

Does it make sense to you that they would spend money to study the habits of gay men in foreign countries, but cut funding for radiation detectors in NYC?

235 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

Idiots.

At least it's not Swiss on a Cheesesteak.

236 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:52:26pm

re: #229 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's amazing that they spend airtime on that. 2 minutes of primetime international coverage ain't cheap.

237 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:52:31pm

re: #53 go_liam

I have this feeling that he's a liberal in extreme denial. Not totally sure why.

Now he let out a yell that'd curl yer hair
But before he could move I grabbed me a chair
And said "Now watch him Folks cause he's a fairly dangerous man!"

"You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

He was still bent over holdin on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker hand heavier as I went

"He's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags!
I betchya he's even got a commie flag
tacked up on the wall inside of his garage."

"He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys.
He may look dumb but that's just a disguise,
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage"

"Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.
And he voted for George McGovern for President."

They started lookin real suspicious at him
He jumped up and said "Now just wait a minute Jim!
You know he's lying I been living here all of my life!"

"I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church.
And I aint even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!"

Then he started saying somethin bout the way I was dressed
But I didn't wait around to hear the rest
I was too busy moving and hoping I didn't run outta luck

When I hit the door I was making tracks
And they were just taking my car down off the jacks
So I threw the man a twenty and jumped in and fired that mother up

Mario Andretti wouldda sure been proud
Of the way I was movin when I passed that crowd
Coming out the door and headed toward me at a trott

Now I guess I should of gone ahead and run
But somehow I just couldn't resist the fun
Of chasing them all just once around the parking lot

I had them all out there steppin and fetchin
Like their heads was on fire and their asses was catchin
then I figgered I had better go ahead and split before the cops got there.

238 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:52:32pm

Almost 250 posts about Glenn Beck's Devil statement and no gratuitious Mormon bashing.

That's what I like about LGF - lizards pull no punches but their posts are factual and well researched compared to a lot of on-line conversations.

I appreiate the respect and understanding that Glenn Beck does not represent us, nor does Harry Reed, or Evan Meecham, or ...sigh...

...I miss Mitt Romney in more ways than one.

239 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:52:35pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

Idiots.

That is so fricken stupid it defies imagination.

240 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Sadly, Ray's Hell Burgers are not worth the $7. There are far better burgers available, cheaper in this area.

BAR
B
QUE
HOUSE,
R

241 KenJen  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #224 brookly red

and just what do they plan to do with their findings?

Their findings will lead to the need for another research trip. Naples perhaps?

242 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:53:49pm

re: #230 KingKenrod

He called senior debt holders "speculators" and blamed them for single-handedly forcing Chrysler into bankruptcy. These are the people who saved Chrysler a few years ago.

It's the same old class warfare he's always played. If you think he's changed, you're a fool.

Yep. And, again to cite Thomas Sowell, "speculators" are the folks who move the economy forward. He uses Amazon as an example. Folks "speculated" that Amazon would work, and it didn't turn a profit for years. But, without those nasty old speculators, Amazon wouldn't have gotten off the drawing board.

243 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:54:09pm

re: #233 FurryOldGuyJeans

15 more homes will have power to watch American Idol.

Dang it! Another Lizard makes fun of the Hoopster for watching American Idol..

244 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:54:24pm

re: #201 subsailor68

Oh yeah? Well MY grant proposal includes full-color photos. So there.

:-)

Have you considered publication in the various nudie mags *cough* I mean, recognized scientific journals?

245 FightingBack  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:54:49pm

The Govt is the Devil? I always thought of the Devil as smarter than that.

246 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:55:01pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

Dang it! Another Lizard makes fun of the Hoopster for watching American Idol..

Me too, Hoops.

247 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:55:16pm
248 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:55:24pm

re: #241 KenJen

Their findings will lead to the need for another research trip. Naples perhaps?

Naples? how piercingly odd...

249 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:55:27pm

re: #240 Render

Sadly, Ray's Hell Burgers are not worth the $7. There are far better burgers available, cheaper in this area.

BAR
B
QUE
HOUSE,
R

Yeah, but $7 for one hell of a cheap candy-ass photo op. Forget the cost of extra police protection, FBI security, SS surveillance, and the cost of fuel to tote the clueless duo to the joint. It's all about keeping O's popularity up.

250 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:55:48pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

Idiots.

Uch.

Trying to force a "arugala" moment, I see.

Trying to show that he's out of touch. Which he is and this does show.

OK. Asking for Dijon mustard at a burger joint is Bougie. Very Bougie.

But at least go for the $500 sneakers. At the very least.

I can't stand Hannity.

Hes the McDonalds of the conservative talk-0-sphere.

How 'bout pointing out that the economic crisis is a really a bank credit crisis and all this other trillion $ spending BS is just BS and that we should do something about the bank credit so the poor sod who own the burger joint can get a good enough loan to buy Dijon effen mustard.

251 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:55:58pm

re: #244 SteveC

Have you considered publication in the various nudie mags *cough* I mean, recognized scientific journals?

Hmm...good idea. I wonder if JATAB (Journal of the American Teenage Boy) is accepting submissions?

252 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:56:08pm

re: #249 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yeah, but $7 for one hell of a cheap candy-ass photo op. Forget the cost of extra police protection, FBI security, SS surveillance, and the cost of fuel to tote the clueless duo to the joint. It's all about keeping O's popularity up.

Well, Bill Clinton had his Big Mac attacks.

253 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:56:16pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

Dang it! Another Lizard makes fun of the Hoopster for watching American Idol..

Maybe I should have said Lost, eh? ;)

254 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:56:39pm

re: #238 DaddyG

Interesting observation. It hasn't always been that way.

255 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:56:40pm

re: #245 FightingBack

The Govt is the Devil? I always thought of the Devil as smarter than that.

As a Mormon government worker there is no way I'm gonna leave this thread unscathed is there? ;-)

256 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:56:55pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

Idiots.

I owe you guys a apology, it turns out I am a Commie elitist after all, since I too like my spicy mustard. I shudder to think what preferring vinegar on my fries means.

257 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #252 redstateredneck

Well, Bill Clinton had his Big Mac attacks.

Yet another reason I had ZERO respect for the man, even when he was my Commander in Chief.

258 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:58:01pm

re: #239 redstateredneck

That is so fricken stupid it defies imagination.

I find it even more stupid that MSNBC and others had it as breaking news, etc and made such a big deal that He had a burger and took a walk with Meesh Meesh.

259 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:58:05pm

re: #256 avanti

I owe you guys a apology, it turns out I am a Commie elitist after all, since I too like my spicy mustard. I shudder to think what preferring vinegar on my fries means.

Means you are one of the few, the proud, the fry lovers.

260 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:58:10pm

re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe I should have said Lost, eh? ;)

Those of us who watch Idol and Lost are conflicted on Wednesday nights. Thank God for TIVO.

261 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:58:13pm

re: #256 avanti

Vinegar on chips is good. I like mayo.

262 FightingBack  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:58:43pm

re: #255 DaddyG

As a Mormon government worker there is no way I'm gonna leave this thread unscathed is there? ;-)

"Good enough for Government Work." :)

263 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #231 avanti

You may be right. One side said they were holding out for a unreasonable amount, you say they were standing up for their clients. We'll see if the judge gives them less or more.

The point is Obama has no godamn fucking business determining bankruptcy law and the application in a bankruptcy case.

He was pissed because someone said you're wrong and well go to court for our rights.

No matter what the final outcome they'll get more than 29¢ and they'll get their cut first. That's the law, secured debt holders get the first cut. The union gets a a renegotiated contract.

That's the way it's works.

264 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:59:08pm

re: #258 Ben Hur

I find it even more stupid that MSNBC and others had it as breaking news, etc and made such a big deal that He had a burger and took a walk with Meesh Meesh.

Cable news just has too much time to fill.

265 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:59:18pm

re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe I should have said Lost, eh? ;)

LOL
Ms. Underwood..Need I say more?

266 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:59:19pm

re: #256 avanti

I owe you guys a apology, it turns out I am a Commie elitist after all, since I too like my spicy mustard. I shudder to think what preferring vinegar on my fries means.

malt vinegar, or plain?

267 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:59:26pm

re: #255 DaddyG

As a Mormon government worker there is no way I'm gonna leave this thread unscathed is there? ;-)

Have at it! The more scorched earth, the better. ;)

268 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 12:59:32pm

re: #258 Ben Hur

I find it even more stupid that MSNBC and others had it as breaking news, etc and made such a big deal that He had a burger and took a walk with Meesh Meesh.

Wait until that burger (or one like it) gives him indigestion and he needs a Tums. Then you'll see

FOX NEWS ALERT! (We're all gonna die!)

269 abolitionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:00:14pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

The Six Day War started on June 5th 1967. Any correlation, or just bad timing? At least I think it is bad timing.

I think his venue for that day is Buchenwald and (?) Dresden.
Barack Obama to walk in footsteps of uncle who helped free Buchenwald

Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.

But he will be aware of the sensibilities of his German hosts before the D-Day commemoration and by travelling to Dresden — a city destroyed by ferocious Allied bombing in February 1945 — Mr Obama will also acknowledge how Germany suffered during the Second World War.

270 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:00:29pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

The Six Day War started on June 5th 1967. Any correlation, or just bad timing? At least I think it is bad timing.

The 14th of Khordad (4th June) is the day Imam Khomeini (RH) passed away and is an official holiday.

[Link: www.iranair.com...]

271 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #193 KenJen

I must have missed something. Who is this guy? Please don't tell me he used to be a woman.

re: #193 KenJen

I must have missed something. Who is this guy? Please don't tell me he used to be a woman.

He's Kivanc Tatlitug, and he's Turkish. He was a model (a very, very successful model), and starred in a ground-breaking soap TV series - he has a new series starting this month. He is HUGELY popular in the ME. ME women see him and want a man like that - considerate, fair, intelligent, loving, and oh yeah - gorgeous. :D

Here is a short bio.

272 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:00:35pm

re: #256 avanti

I owe you guys a apology, it turns out I am a Commie elitist after all, since I too like my spicy mustard. I shudder to think what preferring vinegar on my fries means.

You had us all fooled, avanti. All this time, we thought you were conservative.

273 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:00:55pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Vinegar on chips is good. I like mayo.

What? You're Belgian? The truth is finally out.

274 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:01:00pm

re: #256 avanti

You're not off the hook just yet.

It is moronic to ask for Dijon at a place like that.

The point is that out of all the moronic things, this is the least important, and what makes Hannity a moron, because he'll harp on it for days on his shows and make us look like more of an idiot than the Dijon moment.

275 FightingBack  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:01:00pm

re: #264 redstateredneck

Cable news just has too much time to fill.

with garbage.

276 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:01:12pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Mayo? Well, really, that simply indicates that you're a member of the bourgeois. The piece de resistance of the proletariat is (obviously) poutine.

277 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:01:25pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

LOL
Ms. Underwood..Need I say more?

I probably shouldn't admit this, but the name doesn't mean a thing to me. Should it?

278 lawhawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:01:27pm

re: #229 FurryOldGuyJeans

WTF?!? There is so much real stuff happening, and this shit is what the pundits are hyperventilating about?

Indeed.

279 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:02:20pm

re: #269 abolitionist

I think his venue for that day is Buchenwald and (?) Dresden.
Barack Obama to walk in footsteps of uncle who helped free Buchenwald

Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.

But he will be aware of the sensibilities of his German hosts before the D-Day commemoration and by travelling to Dresden — a city destroyed by ferocious Allied bombing in February 1945 — Mr Obama will also acknowledge how Germany suffered during the Second World War.

Well, that's a relief.

/////

280 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:02:32pm

re: #266 brookly red

malt vinegar, or plain?

garlic vinegar, yummers. On fries and pork rinds.

281 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:02:33pm

re: #256 avanti

I owe you guys a apology, it turns out I am a Commie elitist after all, since I too like my spicy mustard. I shudder to think what preferring vinegar on my fries means.

Oh God please!
*falls to his knees*
I agree with Avanti on the spicy mustard! Does anyone have any spare ammo?
LOL

282 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:02:46pm

re: #264 redstateredneck

Cable news just has too much time to fill.

I don't buy that.

As if Darfur isn't happening, for example.

24 hours wouldn't be enough time for me to show the news even one time over.

283 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:02:55pm

re: #255 DaddyG

As a Mormon government worker there is no way I'm gonna leave this thread unscathed is there? ;-)

Ohhh, that makes you a demon then!

What is the church gonna' say when they find out....

My, oh, My!

//// ;-P

284 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:02:56pm

re: #250 Ben Hur

Uch.
.

OK. Asking for Dijon mustard at a burger joint is Bougie. Very Bougie.

I had no idea about Dijon mustard was elitist, must be a regional thing. Mustardgate ?

285 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:03:08pm

re: #181 SixDegrees

This is starting to make me a little nervous. I never like it when the market goes straight up, like it has for a solid couple of months now.

It may be time to take some money off the table. Or at least have a look at rebalancing.

Get professional advice! Just saying. Did I mention get professional advice?

286 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:03:15pm

re: #273 zombie

What? You're Belgian? The truth is finally out.


Again with the Belgians!

Who are these people?!?!?

287 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:03:53pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

It's amazing that they spend airtime on that. 2 minutes of primetime international coverage ain't cheap.

If I want Grey Poupon, I just lean out the car window and ask the guy in the limo next to me. No big deal.

/

288 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:03:55pm

re: #273 zombie

Having grown up overseas I had to learn to live without catchup.

289 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:03:59pm

re: #278 lawhawk

Indeed.

$17 Billion when $100 TRILLION+ is the current overage. Wow, talk about lack of perspective.

290 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:04:02pm
291 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:04:04pm

re: #259 SteveC

Means you are one of the few, the proud, the fry lovers.

I love my freedom fries. :) Um, Boardwalk fries.

292 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:04:17pm

re: #284 avanti

I had no idea about Dijon mustard was elitist, must be a regional thing. Mustardgate ?

LOL!

That's exactly what Hannity is trying to turn it into. And it;s as stupid as it sounds.

Mustardgate.

WTF?

293 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:04:28pm

re: #283 jcm

Ohhh, that makes you a demon then!

What is the church gonna' say when they find out....

My, oh, My!

//// ;-P

Dey's gonna EXERCISE him!

/

294 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:04:52pm

Maybe Glenn Beck is the guy who took so much acid that he thinks he's a glass of orange juice.

/shout out to an earlier post by... ME.

295 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:05:24pm

re: #277 FurryOldGuyJeans

I probably shouldn't admit this, but the name doesn't mean a thing to me. Should it?

You're good..Ms. Underwood came from a farm.. went on A.I. and has sold millions of albums.. I think the show is fun..But that's just me.

296 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:06:35pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

How Germany suffered during WWII? WTF? I guess they didn't really you know, Start WWII. That was that unreasonable Churchill fellow that wouldn't give Adolf his due.

(can you tell this pisses me off? what the fuck is wrong with Democrats? Do they just hate America? It sure does seem like it)

He's giving Hamas gazillions for their suffering from what they started to.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Wasn't there a film or book about some small country that needed cash so the declared war on the US?

297 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:06:46pm

re: #256 avanti

I owe you guys a apology, it turns out I am a Commie elitist after all, since I too like my spicy mustard. I shudder to think what preferring vinegar on my fries means.

It means you're a Secret Communist.

Or, you WERE a secret Communist. Now we know the troof!

Cue the 1950's newsreel about how people should watch out for weirdos who vinegar their fries.

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:06:55pm

re: #295 HoosierHoops

You're good..Ms. Underwood came from a farm.. went on A.I. and has sold millions of albums.. I think the show is fun..But that's just me.

I watch DVDs, with a bit of cable documentaries thrown in for leavening. My brain cells are rotted enough for me to spare any more. ;)

299 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:06:57pm

Did Joe get grape jelly on his burger?

300 Sparkizzy  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:07:02pm

re: #295 HoosierHoops

I'm a huge fan of Clarkson, Underwood, and Daughtry.

MAKE FUN IF YOU MUST!

:P

301 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:07:05pm

re: #284 avanti

I like them french fried potaters with mustard. Mmmmmm hmmmmmm.

302 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:07:14pm

re: #190 avanti

Actually, Obama has personally and publicly condemned greedy hedge fund managers in the Chrysler case. For the President of the U.S. to condemn private citizens in this very public and accusatory way is extraordinary in and of itself. The rest of the rumors, i.e., that Rattner directly threatened to sic the IRS and other government agencies on recalcitrant Chrysler creditors, are as yet unsubstantiated, but they're likely to surface in short order.

That's a lot more than "he said/she said".

303 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:07:27pm

re: #281 HoosierHoops

Oh God please!
*falls to his knees*
I agree with Avanti on the spicy mustard! Does anyone have any spare ammo?
LOL

OK, How about a Carolina barbecue thread, north or south and coleslaw yes or no on pulled pork sandwich.

304 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:07:37pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

How Germany suffered during WWII? WTF? I guess they didn't really you know, Start WWII. That was that unreasonable Churchill fellow that wouldn't give Adolf his due.

(can you tell this pisses me off? what the fuck is wrong with Democrats? Do they just hate America? It sure does seem like it)

"We didn't know it was happening.....We thought it was snow"

305 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:08:00pm
306 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:08:14pm

re: #296 Ben Hur

He's giving Hamas gazillions for their suffering from what they started to.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Wasn't there a film or book about some small country that needed cash so the declared war on the US?

Yep, the book was called 'The Mouse That Roared." Pretty good movie too.

307 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

I like them french fried potaters with mustard. Mmmmmm hmmmmmm.

Finally, a Sling Blade reference!

308 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:08:27pm

re: #296 Ben Hur

Peter Sellers -- "The Mouse that roared"

309 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:08:33pm

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

I like them french fried potaters with mustard. Mmmmmm hmmmmmm.

I have a friend that does mayo.

310 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:09:20pm

re: #207 jcm

Come on, secured debt holders are the first to be paid in a bankruptcy. The managers of those debts stood up for the law and their clients. They got cut out and shafted because they stood up to The One, his minions then turn around and try to get peoples names released, blatant bullying.

Ill advised comment my ass.


That's a polite way of putting it. I call it un-American gangster behavior.

311 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:09:42pm

re: #296 Ben Hur

He's giving Hamas gazillions for their suffering from what they started to.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Wasn't there a film or book about some small country that needed cash so the declared war on the US?

The Mouse that Roared

312 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:09:42pm

Let me know if The One asks for molasses and pours it all over the entire meal. THAT would make me sit up and take notice.

/

313 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:10:16pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

How Germany suffered during WWII? WTF? I guess they didn't really you know, Start WWII. That was that unreasonable Churchill fellow that wouldn't give Adolf his due.

(can you tell this pisses me off? what the fuck is wrong with Democrats? Do they just hate America? It sure does seem like it)

It's all part of the "there's no good or evil, no winners or losers" rhetoric you often see from the Left...unless it's aimed at America, or conservatives in America.

314 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:10:23pm

re: #269 abolitionist


Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.

WTF?

Enough with this BS.

This is editorial.

And was definately fed by a White House spokesman.

315 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:10:25pm

re: #302 quickjustice

Actually, Obama has personally and publicly condemned greedy hedge fund managers in the Chrysler case. For the President of the U.S. to condemn private citizens in this very public and accusatory way is extraordinary in and of itself.

OK, you got me there, I have to agree with that part of it.

316 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #307 capitalist piglet

Finally, a Sling Blade reference!

Or, more recently, a Family Guy reference to Sling Blade.

317 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:10:54pm

re: #306 subsailor68

Yep, the book was called 'The Mouse That Roared." Pretty good movie too.

Movie on DVD, even.

318 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:10:58pm

re: #303 avanti

OK, How about a Carolina barbecue thread, north or south and coleslaw yes or no on pulled pork sandwich.

Both are cooked the same, with different sauces. I like the vinegar and pepper sauce - I think that's NC.

Cole slaw only on the side, and not made with mayo!

319 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

I like them french fried potaters with mustard. Mmmmmm hmmmmmm.

You know what they make them there Vee-ener sausages out of, don't you?

320 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:11:49pm

re: #296 Ben Hur

He's giving Hamas gazillions for their suffering from what they started to.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Wasn't there a film or book about some small country that needed cash so the declared war on the US?

321 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #310 LGoPs

That's a polite way of putting it. I call it un-American gangster behavior.

Chicago knows what makes a Gangster, that's fer sure.

322 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #319 SteveC

You know what they make them there Vee-ener sausages out of, don't you?

Our Vienna sausages are made of the finest cuts of pork, beef, and chicken. Those being nostrils, ears, lips, assholes, and beaks.

/

323 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:12:33pm

re: #319 SteveC

You know what they make them there Vee-ener sausages out of, don't you?

Mostly snouts and peckers? It's been a long time since I've seen that movie.

324 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:12:50pm

re: #307 capitalist piglet

Finally, a Sling Blade reference!

I like the scene where Billy Bob and John Ritter are at the diner and Ritter is going on about how Billy Bob seems to be in such deep thought. Then he lovingly looks at him and asks him what he is thinking at that moment. Billy Bob says, something to the effect of "I was thinkin I'd be likin me some more of them taters, mmmhmmm."

325 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:12:58pm

re: #321 FurryOldGuyJeans

Chicago knows what makes a Gangster, that's fer sure.

Frak. We elected Al Capone. :(

326 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:13:20pm

re: #208 SixDegrees

Maybe we should issue a joint proposal.

You mean marijuana is involved?
/

327 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:13:24pm

Well, I'm doomed. Not only do I love black metal - I use spicy mustard! /

328 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:13:27pm

Blitzer on CNN, btw, is noting how Obama intends to go to Egypt on June 4, without bothering to set foot in Israel. (I suspect this goes along with the previous thread about the "Breakdown of the 'special relationship' with Israel".)

329 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:13:42pm

re: #324 kansas

My favorite scene is probably when he tells the joke he heard about the two fellers on a bridge.

330 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #322 OldLineTexan

Our Vienna sausages are made of the finest cuts of pork, beef, and chicken. Those being nostrils, ears, lips, assholes, and beaks.

/

I thought that was what "Slim Jims" were made out of

/

331 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:13:57pm

re: #276 J.S.

Mayo? Well, really, that simply indicates that you're a member of the bourgeois. The piece de resistance of the proletariat is (obviously) poutine.

Shoot...or southern. They put mayonnaise on EVERYTHING!

332 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:14:13pm

re: #309 avanti

I have a friend that does mayo.

I don't know why I'm posting about food Avanti..I've been sick with the flu since weds.. But I'm really getting hungry now.

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:14:14pm

re: #276 J.S.

Mayo? Well, really, that simply indicates that you're a member of the bourgeois. The piece de resistance of the proletariat is (obviously) poutine.

Indeed, the French did invent the stuff.

334 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:14:33pm

re: #330 _RememberTonyC

I thought that was what "Slim Jims" were made out of

/

"Slim Jims" are Viennas that got caught in the conveyor belt rollers and overheated.

/waste not want not

335 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:14:43pm

re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee

Both are cooked the same, with different sauces. I like the vinegar and pepper sauce - I think that's NC.

Cole slaw only on the side, and not made with mayo!

NC, with a dollop of slaw on the sandwich. NO mayo in the slaw, dash of hot sauce for me. Once had a Navy buddy that carried hot sauce to every chow line, even liked it on his eggs.

336 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:15:31pm

re: #325 SteveC

Frak. We elected Al Capone. :(

Finally sinking in, eh? I saw that during the campaign.

337 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:15:46pm

re: #312 OldLineTexan

Let me know if The One asks for molasses and pours it all over the entire meal. THAT would make me sit up and take notice.

/

If he pours maple syrup on spaghetti and tops it with m&ms, we'll know he was raised at the North Pole, which would explain those ears.

(No one will get that if they haven't seen "Elf".)

338 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:15:47pm

re: #328 J.S.

Blitzer on CNN, btw, is noting how Obama intends to go to Egypt on June 4, without bothering to set foot in Israel. (I suspect this goes along with the previous thread about the "Breakdown of the 'special relationship' with Israel".)

he probably dosn't expect Israel to still be there by then...

339 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:15:48pm

You know, the silver lining here --such as there is one--is that the allure of demagogues like Beck is that they tend to burn out. They have a short shelf life and people will change the channel.

340 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:15:53pm

re: #266 brookly red

malt vinegar, or plain?

Has to be malt.

341 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:15:59pm

re: #331 redstateredneck

Shoot...or southern. They put mayonnaise on EVERYTHING!

Must be South Brooklyn, because in the old days mayonnaise was considered almost poisonous after it sat out on the table more than thirty minutes. And Heaven forfend you brought it on a picnic; Grandma would have a stroke telling you about some couple named Sam and Ella.

/

342 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:16:17pm

re: #297 Pawn of the Oppressor

It means you're a Secret Communist.

Or, you WERE a secret Communist. Now we know the troof!

Cue the 1950's newsreel about how people should watch out for weirdos who vinegar their fries.

So we should be on the lookout for Canucks?

343 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:16:21pm

Just got to the bottom of the thread.

Like DaddyG (no relation) said, thanks for not bashing Mormons. I've known a lot of very good people doing a lot of good in the world who weren't LDS, including beloved relatives, so I hope I would never bash anyone else's religion.

///Except, of course, for the purple kangarooists. Now those guys...

344 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:16:27pm

Spencer and Crazy Pam are all wound over the German Government suing the guy who runs Spencer's German language blog. Can anyone find a link on a German news site about this?

345 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:16:37pm

re: #312 OldLineTexan

Let me know if The One asks for molasses and pours it all over the entire meal. THAT would make me sit up and take notice.

/

A reference to To Kill a Mockingbird?

346 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:16:43pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

I don't know why I'm posting about food Avanti..I've been sick with the flu since weds.. But I'm really getting hungry now.

Feed a cold, go for it.

347 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:16:47pm

re: #313 capitalist piglet

It's all part of the "there's no good or evil, no winners or losers" rhetoric you often see from the Left...unless it's aimed at America, or conservatives in America.

I really despise ingrates. The Left enjoys the fruits of living in an exceptional country, totally clueless of what it took to make it so, and all the while doing everything in their power to undermine and destroy it.
Ungrateful bastards, every one of them.

348 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:08pm

re: #331 redstateredneck

Shoot...or southern. They put mayonnaise on EVERYTHING!

We do NOT put mayo on everything. It is well-known that mid-westerners do it. We southerners use creole mustard and chow-chow.

349 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:09pm

re: #307 capitalist piglet

Finally, a Sling Blade reference!

Wasn't it mustard on a biscuit?

350 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:15pm

re: #322 OldLineTexan

Our Vienna sausages are made of the finest cuts of pork, beef, and chicken. Those being nostrils, ears, lips, assholes, and beaks.

/


I love Vienna Sausages. Hate Spam, but love Vienna Sausages. Amazon sells them by the case - joy.

351 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:21pm

Also, a late comment--every time I make hot dogs without mustard, my husband explains to our children why I am committing grotesque sacrilege, and then goes and gets the mustard.

352 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #325 SteveC

Frak. We elected Al Capone. :(

Kind of explains the tax problem blindness.

353 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:44pm

re: #345 kansas

A reference to To Kill a Mockingbird?

DING!

IIRC, "Walter is our guest, and if he ..."

;)

354 Justabill  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:17:50pm

re: #340 avanti

Has to be malt.

Now an elitist would go for balsamic...

355 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:18:08pm

White House guy that planned fly over NYC has been tossed under the bus as I predicted.

356 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:18:15pm

re: #348 calcajun

I can't stand mayonaise, but I love eggs. I also hate cucumbers but love dill pickles.

357 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:18:37pm

re: #353 OldLineTexan

DING!

IIRC, "Walter is our guest, and if he ..."

;)

Ding! That's how I remember it.

358 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:18:45pm

Just jumped online here, So what is this stress test that was conducted? I don't understand how you stress a company and decide its all good. Especially since most of the financial market is based upon two chimpanzes throwing darts against a black board trying to hit a grape.

359 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:18:48pm

Fries with burger - ketchup.

Fries with fish - apple cider vinegar.

Burger - with ketchup only, with or without Guldens spicy, or A1 sauce only.

Burger - with slaw, or without (either way is good).

Burger - piled high with smoked ham and bacon.

Pulled anything - with slaw, by law.

ALL OF
THE ABOVE,
R

360 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:18:49pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

I don't know why I'm posting about food Avanti..I've been sick with the flu since weds.. But I'm really getting hungry now.

With a flu, food is so nice, you'll taste it twice.//

361 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:19:21pm

re: #358 the1sgjohns

Just jumped online here, So what is this stress test that was conducted? I don't understand how you stress a company and decide its all good. Especially since most of the financial market is based upon two chimpanzes throwing darts against a black board trying to hit a grape.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don't draw a cartoon of this.

/

362 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:19:36pm

re: #251 subsailor68

Hmm...good idea. I wonder if JATAB (Journal of the American Teenage Boy) is accepting submissions?

The magazine "American Muslim" is accepting submission(s)...

363 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:19:43pm

re: #351 EmmmieG

Also, a late comment--every time I make hot dogs without mustard, my husband explains to our children why I am committing grotesque sacrilege, and then goes and gets the mustard.

My Greek father actuality ran a hot dog joint in Detroit and refused to offer ketchup on a dog.

364 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:20:03pm

re: #331 redstateredneck

Shoot...or southern. They put mayonnaise on EVERYTHING!

I recently heard one kid tell another "your mamas so fat she puts mayonnaise on asprin"...

365 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:20:06pm

re: #355 avanti

No, only some low-level flunky got that fate. The real culprit is still sitting in the Oval Office.

366 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:20:09pm

re: #348 calcajun

We do NOT put mayo on everything. It is well-known that mid-westerners do it. We southerners use creole mustard and chow-chow.

In Mississippi they'll put mayo on a barbecue sandwich. I like chow-chow on my butterbeans.

367 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:20:25pm

re: #329 Mad Al-Jaffee

My favorite scene is probably when he tells the joke he heard about the two fellers on a bridge.

"Yes, ma'am. I've killed Doyle Hargraves with a lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, I'm right sure of it. I hit him two good whacks in the head with it."

368 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:20:32pm

Just a quick thought.

Seems like almost everyone disagrees with avanti's political positions. But, as this thread shows, most folks are willing to chat with him, accept his points when appropriate, and generally seem to even have a little affection for him here and there.

Just try to find a left-wing blog that shows that kind of class by its bloggers.

Thanks!

369 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:20:59pm

re: #358 the1sgjohns

Just jumped online here, So what is this stress test that was conducted? I don't understand how you stress a company and decide its all good. Especially since most of the financial market is based upon two chimpanzes throwing darts against a black board trying to hit a grape.

I think a more apt description is of 2 monkeys f**king a football.......

370 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:21:02pm

re: #363 avanti

what about the secret greek sauce (I can't spell it) azuki?

371 KingKenrod  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #269 abolitionist

There's an article in Newsweek ([Link: www.newsweek.com...] about Obama rolling out his tougher stance on Israel after the Iranian elections on June 15.

The cynic in me says this Egypt/Germany trip one week before that is nothing more than pandering to the Arabs and Jews before this shift happens.

The Arabs will get an apology and the Jews will get crocodile tears.

372 abolitionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:21:30pm

re: #296 Ben Hur

He's giving Hamas gazillions for their suffering from what they started to.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Wasn't there a film or book about some small country that needed cash so the declared war on the US?

The Mouse That Roared, starring Peter Sellers.

373 jwbrown1969  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:21:33pm

Come on everyone...sure Beck is a little loney, but he is not "irresponsible, extremist."

Relax and have an M&M people :-D

374 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:21:36pm

re: #356 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can't stand mayonaise, but I love eggs. I also hate cucumbers but love dill pickles.

My wife is the opposite--she hates pickles but puts cucumbers on her salad. The only way I eat mayo is to put a few drops of Dave's Insanity Sauce in it to give it some zip.

375 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:21:58pm

re: #369 LGoPs

ewwwww!

376 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:22:03pm

I once brought pulled pork (that I had cooked for something like 16 hours in my smoker) to a party and I almost cried/commited murder when one of my brother's friends from Denmark put ketchup and mustard on his sandwich.

377 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #370 the1sgjohns

what about the secret greek sauce (I can't spell it) azuki?

Christ, now I need a Gyro, thanks a lot.

378 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:22:15pm

re: #367 SteveC

"Yes, ma'am. I've killed Doyle Hargraves with a lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, I'm right sure of it. I hit him two good whacks in the head with it."

Send the hearst.

379 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:22:28pm

re: #334 OldLineTexan

"Slim Jims" are Viennas that got caught in the conveyor belt rollers and overheated.

/waste not want not


I actually love Slim Jims, but someone once told me that they were made out of "cheek meat." But since cheeks could describe something at either end of the animal, I wasn't sure which end was up.

380 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:22:35pm

re: #368 subsailor68

It only so people can fart and have someone else to blame it on. ;)

381 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:01pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Spencer and Crazy Pam are all wound over the German Government suing the guy who runs Spencer's German language blog. Can anyone find a link on a German news site about this?

I haven't found anything for it yet, but they do seem to be up in arms over it. Meanwhile, there's a stalker that is going batshit crazy himself over this very thread.

382 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:02pm

re: #363 avanti

My Greek father actuality ran a hot dog joint in Detroit and refused to offer ketchup on a dog.

Did he use a lot of Windex?
/My Big Fat Greek Wedding

383 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:03pm

re: #373 jwbrown1969

Come on everyone...sure Beck is a little loney, but he is not "irresponsible, extremist."

Relax and have an M&M people :-D

Is that a combination of "loony" and "lonely"?

Because I like it, like "batsard" and "honco".

384 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:26pm

re: #376 Mad Al-Jaffee

I once brought pulled pork (that I had cooked for something like 16 hours in my smoker) to a party and I almost cried/commited murder when one of my brother's friends from Denmark put ketchup and mustard on his sandwich.

I'd have tossed him my your property

385 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:32pm

re: #366 redstateredneck

In Mississippi they'll put mayo on a barbecue sandwich. I like chow-chow on my butterbeans.

If someone brings the mayo out when I'm smoking/doing some 'Q--I will throw things at them. The only thing it's good for at that point is making 'slaw.

386 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #377 avanti

Christ, now I need a Gyro, thanks a lot.

I love stuffed grape leaves..If they ain't in heaven..I'm not going!
LOL

387 solomonpanting  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:23:51pm

re: #358 the1sgjohns

Just jumped online here, So what is this stress test that was conducted? I don't understand how you stress a company and decide its all good. Especially since most of the financial market is based upon two chimpanzes throwing darts against a black board trying to hit a grape.

Primates determining the prime rate.

388 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:24:29pm

re: #379 _RememberTonyC

I actually love Slim Jims, but someone once told me that they were made out of "cheek meat." But since cheeks could describe something at either end of the animal, I wasn't sure which end was up.

Just remember, ham is pig butt and "round" is cow butt. So don't turn down cheeks!

389 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:24:30pm

re: #384 avanti

I'd have tossed him my your property

huh?

390 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:24:32pm

re: #368 subsailor68

Just a quick thought.

Seems like almost everyone disagrees with avanti's political positions. But, as this thread shows, most folks are willing to chat with him, accept his points when appropriate, and generally seem to even have a little affection for him here and there.

Just try to find a left-wing blog that shows that kind of class by its bloggers.

Thanks!

DKos didn't like it one bit when I was commenting there under the name "St. Pancake."

391 MacDuff  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee

Both are cooked the same, with different sauces. I like the vinegar and pepper sauce - I think that's NC.

Cole slaw only on the side, and not made with mayo!

In NC I had some sort of mustard-based (sorry, there's that word again) BBQ. It was yellow and I just coulddn't get past its disgusting appearance.

Cole slaw? No thank you, but good baked beans? Hell yeah!

392 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #390 CyanSnowHawk

DKos didn't like it one bit when I was commenting there under the name "St. Pancake."

Now that's hilarious! Gee, wonder why?

393 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:16pm

re: #390 CyanSnowHawk

DKos didn't like it one bit when I was commenting there under the name "St. Pancake."

How long did that nic last? One comment?

394 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:19pm

re: #376 Mad Al-Jaffee

I once brought pulled pork (that I had cooked for something like 16 hours in my smoker) to a party and I almost cried/commited murder when one of my brother's friends from Denmark put ketchup and mustard on his sandwich.

Two words: justifiable homicide (in TX, LA, AL, MS, GA, SC, NC, TN, FL, KY)

395 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:21pm

re: #386 HoosierHoops

Ah! dolmatas in the spring, with a little Ouzo and feta cheese and kalamata olives and pita bread and a nice slice of tomato and hummus on the side.

396 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:22pm

Hey stalker boy!

GET
BENT,
R

397 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:27pm

re: #356 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can't stand mayonaise, but I love eggs. I also hate cucumbers but love dill pickles.

I also can't stand Mayonaise, I make a substitute out of tofu, mustard powder. We also use Vegenaise due my wife's food allergies.

398 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #386 HoosierHoops

I love stuffed grape leaves..If they ain't in heaven..I'm not going!
LOL

The only think I've passed on from my dad to my son is Greek lemon soup, my kid has to have it when he's sick.

399 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:26:04pm

re: #385 calcajun

I don't keep mayonaise in my house, and I can only think onf one time in my life when I bought it (for an event where I was bringing bread, coldcuts and condiments.)

400 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:26:09pm

re: #381 Honorary Yooper

Hmmm...I suspect their version of events doesn't tell the whole story of why the government is suing him. Hate speech lawa are usually in criminal courts, a law suit doesn't make sense to me but I don't know how their laws work.

401 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:26:11pm

re: #394 calcajun

OOHHH you forgot HI.

402 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:26:12pm

re: #390 CyanSnowHawk

DKos didn't like it one bit when I was commenting there under the name "St. Pancake."

I was on DU for a while, but it was like riding a mechanical bull. It was a Hiroshima/Nagasaki conversation that finally threw me onto the sawdust.

403 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:26:34pm

re: #373 jwbrown1969

Come on everyone...sure Beck is a little loney, but he is not "irresponsible, extremist.

I always thought the line from the song Only the Lonely was "Only the lonely get laid. I was missing out.

404 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:26:53pm

re: #389 brookly red

huh?

That's was coherent. Tossed him off my property.

405 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:27:22pm

re: #376 Mad Al-Jaffee

I once brought pulled pork (that I had cooked for something like 16 hours in my smoker) to a party and I almost cried/commited murder when one of my brother's friends from Denmark put ketchup and mustard on his sandwich.

I have an image of 2 pigs 'makin' bacon' and thinking that the term pushing pork would apply........
/ *sorry, I couldn't resist*

406 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:27:27pm

Update on the Jew killer....
Wesleyan Murder Suspect Targeted Me, Former Navy Buddy Says

Stephen Morgan, 29 — who is being held on $15 million bond in Wednesday's fatal shooting of Johanna Justin-Jinich at the Wesleyan bookstore in Middletown, Conn. — sent disturbing text messages to his onetime pal following his discharge in early 2003. One of the messages read: "In my path towards Divinity, you won't go unused,"

407 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:27:28pm

re: #388 OldLineTexan

Just remember, ham is pig butt and "round" is cow butt. So don't turn down cheeks!

Pig "butt" (or "Boston butt") is part of the shoulder.

408 KingKenrod  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:27:44pm

re: #358 the1sgjohns

Just jumped online here, So what is this stress test that was conducted? I don't understand how you stress a company and decide its all good. Especially since most of the financial market is based upon two chimpanzes throwing darts against a black board trying to hit a grape.

They probably use something like a climate change model that takes the banks assets as input and runs them against a bunch of possible scenarios to see if the bank can weather (heh) possible economic trouble and remain solvent.

409 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:27:45pm

re: #394 calcajun

Two words: justifiable homicide (in TX, LA, AL, MS, GA, SC, NC, TN, FL, KY)

You forgot MO.

410 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:27:52pm

re: #405 LGoPs

"pulled pork" happens when pig is so ronery ...

/

411 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:28:37pm

re: #393 FurryOldGuyJeans

How long did that nic last? One comment?

I had two comments in when someone noticed it. I think it is still active. I quit using it after that day, but I did log in with it a couple times since then. Probably been more than a year since I checked it. Leaving it up prevents someone else using it, and as long as I don't use it they ignore it.

I'm under a different nic there now.

412 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:28:45pm

re: #395 the1sgjohns

Ah! dolmatas in the spring, with a little Ouzo and feta cheese and kalamata olives and pita bread and a nice slice of tomato and hummus on the side.

Oh I'm in Heaven..The perfect Omelet when you think about it..

413 John  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:28:48pm

Just keep in mind that Beck's not in the White House; but a genuine Marxist is. Seems to me that latter fact is far more ominous.

414 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:28:51pm

re: #409 Honorary Yooper

Heavens--how could I forget KC BBQ.

415 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:28:52pm

I could not make potato salad without mayo. Sorry, just could not do it.

/Like everyone else in the universe, my mother made the best potato salad ever.

416 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:29:13pm
417 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:29:16pm

re: #407 Mad Al-Jaffee

Pig "butt" (or "Boston butt") is part of the shoulder.

Yankees are weird. Show me where the ham's from. Here's a hint ... if the pig is headed north, the ham is facing south.

/

418 subsailor68  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:29:31pm

Well all, must go. I truly hope everyone here has an absolutely terrific weekend!

419 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #410 OldLineTexan

When I barbecue, first I rub my butt (Boston butt, pork shoulder), then about 16 hours later I pull my pork.

420 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:29:51pm

re: #410 OldLineTexan

OOOOOOOHHHHHHhhhhhhhh! Noooooooo you didn't

421 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:29:52pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...I suspect their version of events doesn't tell the whole story of why the government is suing him. Hate speech lawa are usually in criminal courts, a law suit doesn't make sense to me but I don't know how their laws work.

Not sure how their laws work either, but I'm willing to place a bet that Spencer's German language site fell afoul of them somehow. Maybe a commentor who said "kill them all" or some such thing. Yet another good reason why Charles does not want comments like that here.

422 Justabill  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:30:01pm

re: #390 CyanSnowHawk

DKos didn't like it one bit when I was commenting there under the name "St. Pancake."

Can you explain the reference?

423 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:30:05pm

re: #391 MacDuff

In NC I had some sort of mustard-based (sorry, there's that word again) BBQ. It was yellow and I just coulddn't get past its disgusting appearance.

Cole slaw? No thank you, but good baked beans? Hell yeah!

Maurice Bessinger sells that stuff in Columbia, SC. I can't stand it, but apparently enough people like it thy've been in business for years. (And yes, this is the guy who was involved in the Confederate Flag controversy.)

Maurice's

424 Kragar  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:30:19pm

re: #402 capitalist piglet

I was on DU for a while, but it was like riding a mechanical bull. It was a Hiroshima/Nagasaki conversation that finally threw me onto the sawdust.

I used to get into it on Indymedia till they blocked me

425 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:30:21pm

re: #343 EmmmieG Hey Emmie- Just don't let on that our CTR (Choose The Right) rings have secret decoders for our underground message network... //

426 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:30:21pm

re: #419 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I barbecue, first I rub my butt (Boston butt, pork shoulder), then about 16 hours later I pull my pork.

What about your buns?

/

427 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:30:24pm

re: #419 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I barbecue, first I rub my butt (Boston butt, pork shoulder), then about 16 hours later I pull my pork.

Way TMI. And such a lovely image, too.

428 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:31:16pm

After reading the comments on the stalker blog about this thread I'm reminded of the old LGF. Not only has no one this thread started bashing Mormons but nobody is screaming about how their religious feelings were hurt by this thread. This is an improvement.

429 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:32:13pm

re: #408 KingKenrod

They probably use something like a climate change model that takes the banks assets as input and runs them against a bunch of possible scenarios to see if the bank can weather (heh) possible economic trouble and remain solvent.

No, no, it's chemical. You see, the bank has to remain "Solvent". If profits precipitate out, the solute(solution) is bad.
/

430 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:32:20pm

re: #425 DaddyG

Hey Emmie- Just don't let on that our CTR (Choose The Right) rings have secret decoders for our underground message network... //

Yeah, which would be straightening out who was bringing the funeral potatoes and who was bringing the jello to the ward potluck.

/Actually, we had a Manly-man cook-off once in our ward. I thought it worked quite well, as all I had to do was show up and sample.

431 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:32:26pm

re: #418 subsailor68

Well all, must go. I truly hope everyone here has an absolutely terrific weekend!

Fair skies and following winds to you too.

432 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:32:26pm

re: #426 OldLineTexan

What about your buns?

/

Bound to be toasted after all that rubbin' and pullin'.

433 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #419 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I barbecue, first I rub my butt (Boston butt, pork shoulder), then about 16 hours later I pull my pork.

we just hope you aren't choking your chicken ...

434 SteveC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:18pm

You guys making me hungry! I'm outta here! :)

435 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:21pm

re: #426 OldLineTexan

What about your buns?

/

I serve it with plain white buns.

436 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:33pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

After reading the comments on the stalker blog about this thread I'm reminded of the old LGF. Not only has no one this thread started bashing Mormons but nobody is screaming about how their religious feelings were hurt by this thread. This is an improvement.

Getting into an argument with most Mormons is about as much fun as a boxing match with the Amish. Not that we don't have our moments. :-)

Gots to go. (This work and family stuff is really cutting into my blogging time.)

437 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #430 EmmmieG

Yeah, which would be straightening out who was bringing the funeral potatoes and who was bringing the jello to the ward potluck.

/Actually, we had a Manly-man cook-off once in our ward. I thought it worked quite well, as all I had to do was show up and sample.

As long as you didn't have to clean up it sounds like a good deal.

438 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:39pm

re: #421 Honorary Yooper

I also suspect he might be involved in some questionable politics. He also has links up to Spencer's reconquest of Turkey thing and some dicey Serbian crap. That kind of thing can cause trouble in Europe.

439 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:43pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

After reading the comments on the stalker blog about this thread I'm reminded of the old LGF. Not only has no one this thread started bashing Mormons but nobody is screaming about how their religious feelings were hurt by this thread. This is an improvement.

Yep. The noise to signal ratio here is extremely good. When I see their comments over there, I have to laugh. They reveal in their comments why they got banned, and how they earned their bannings. One of the owners of that blog has gotten even more into Serbian nationalism since he left LGF.

440 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:44pm

re: #415 EmmmieG

I could not make potato salad without mayo. Sorry, just could not do it.

/Like everyone else in the universe, my mother made the best potato salad ever.

I'm on a desert Island.. I could live on the following

German Potato Salad
Any Fruit
Any Veggie
Any Chinese food
but just call me tater
tater salad

441 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:45pm

re: #431 avanti

Fair skies and following winds to you too.

He's a submariner and as such probably indifferent to conditions on the surface......
/ :)

442 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:33:55pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

True. Also, I don't see any newbie entrails on the floor - another good thing.

443 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:34:07pm

re: #436 DaddyG

Getting into an argument with most Mormons is about as much fun as a boxing match with the Amish.


Heh.

444 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:34:37pm

re: #422 Justabill

Can you explain the reference?

Some Lizards, but not Charles, have used that name to refer to Rachel Corrie, the girl that was run over by a bulldozer in Israel when protesting the IDF demolition of a terrorists house.

Apparently didn't understand the concept of a 'blind spot.'

445 the1sgjohns  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #433 _RememberTonyC

And with that I will pay you all a do. Sun is out and so are the bees, so I must expose my knees please, no applause though just having fun.

446 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:34:47pm
447 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:35:07pm

re: #441 LGoPs

He's a submariner and as such probably indifferent to conditions on the surface......
/ :)

Clean air and a hot bunk then.

448 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:35:07pm

So, we (and our church) pay a significant amount of money to send our kids to a Christian school with non-union teachers. My daughter just came home with the Scholastic Reader? "Pres. Obama's first 100 days!" Lots of garbage about his plans and his new dog, etc.. Quiz on the last page, question

#1- "President Obama's plan to help the economy is designed to...
a- create jobs
b-bring home troops
c-cut taxes
d-both a and c

It was d. My daughter knew something was wrong with that, but she has great reading retention and that's what the article said.

449 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:35:32pm

re: #442 Catttt

The poor hatchlings are so shy these days. It's a tumultuous time and they rarely chime in.

450 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:35:36pm

re: #431 avanti

Fair skies and following winds to you too.

That's "Fair winds and following seas". I'm glad you changed your avatar. By the way, what rating were you?

451 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:36:15pm

Breaking on CNN, with no article yet: Louis Caldera, White House Military Office Director, has resigned over the NYC flyover incident.

452 MacDuff  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:36:21pm

re: #423 SteveC

Maurice Bessinger sells that stuff in Columbia, SC. I can't stand it, but apparently enough people like it thy've been in business for years. (And yes, this is the guy who was involved in the Confederate Flag controversy.)

Maurice's

I spend a lot of time in Charlotte on business, and I 've heard he's quite the old school southern racist.

Racist or not, I'll reject him on the basis of yellow BBQ; it's an abomination.

453 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:36:40pm

re: #447 avanti

Clean air and a hot bunk then.

There ya go.......
No Offense, btw. I was just commenting to hear myself comment I guess. Your send-off to him was nice.
:)

454 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:37:02pm
455 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:37:32pm

re: #444 CyanSnowHawk

Some Lizards, but not Charles, have used that name to refer to Rachel Corrie, the girl that was run over by a bulldozer in Israel when protesting the IDF demolition of a terrorists house.

Apparently didn't understand the concept of a 'blind spot.'

Rachel Corrie

456 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:37:34pm

re: #445 the1sgjohns


have a good one

457 lawhawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:38:00pm

OT:
We've got our Friday night news dump - the White House canned Louis Caldera for the Air Force One mess.

458 Justabill  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:38:33pm

re: #441 LGoPs

He's a submariner and as such probably indifferent to conditions on the surface......
/ :)

Yep, all that stuff goes right over his head...

459 HDrepub  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:38:56pm

re: #426 OldLineTexan

What about your buns?

/

Stand close to the fire and toast them.

460 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:39:40pm
461 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:39:47pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

After my brother and sister in law told me about some of the food they ate in China, you may want to rethink that "ANY Chinese food."

462 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:39:55pm

re: #458 Justabill

Yep, all that stuff goes right over his head...

Periscope liberty!

463 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:40:12pm

Yeah, I have to go as well. Oldest child is in a play tonight.

Oh yeah, and I just heard Robert Johnson on the radio. For real. Crossroads. They followed up with, I think, Clapton's cover of the same song.

Bye! I'll just run along and have a nice mayo and BBQ sandwich.

*jumps behind barricades, covers head, snickering*

464 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:41:03pm

re: #444 CyanSnowHawk

Some Lizards, but not Charles, have used that name to refer to Rachel Corrie, the girl that was run over by a bulldozer in Israel when protesting the IDF demolition of a terrorists house.

Apparently didn't understand the concept of a 'blind spot.'

List of LGF articles on Rachel Corrie: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

465 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #455 redstateredneck

Rachel Corrie

Is she related to Rage Boy?

466 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:41:56pm

re: #465 CyanSnowHawk

Is she related to Rage Boy?

Appears to be.

467 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:42:11pm

re: #458 Justabill

Yep, all that stuff goes right over his head...

As a Marine (former), submariner is beneath me.

468 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:42:36pm

re: #455 redstateredneck

Rachel Corrie

I have a relative who went to the same school. Moonbat U...seriously. They had Mumia Abu-Jamal as a commencement speaker.

469 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:42:56pm

re: #457 lawhawk

Oh, I didn't know they said they planned to release a

470 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:43:17pm

re: #459 HDrepub

Stand close to the fire and toast them.

Don't forget to rub them with butter first.

471 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:43:46pm

re: #441 LGoPs

He's a submariner and as such probably indifferent to conditions on the surface......
/ :)

Yeah, but he's always leaving the screen door open.

/ ;-)

472 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #457 lawhawk

OT:
We've got our Friday night news dump - the White House canned Louis Caldera for the Air Force One mess.

I know it's too much to hope for, but I sure wish he would talk. I don't think we know half of what that was about.

473 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:45:03pm

re: #453 LGoPs

There ya go.......
No Offense, btw. I was just commenting to hear myself comment I guess. Your send-off to him was nice.
:)

I know. I wanted to use the sail in harms way quote, but could not work it in.

474 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:45:11pm

re: #338 brookly red

he probably dosn't expect Israel to still be there by then...

Well, Wolf Blitzer was once executive director of AIPAC, not that you'd know that by his usual fawning over Obama.

475 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:45:14pm

re: #471 jcm

Yeah, but he's always leaving the screen door open.

/ ;-)

It keeps teh sea kittehs out!

476 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:45:21pm

re: #469 turn

wtf happened turn. oh well a comment about not releasing all of them since we paid for them and an observation that O must have really not known about it since the guy got canned.

477 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:45:30pm

re: #465 CyanSnowHawk

Is she related to Rage Boy?

No, but they would've made such a lovely couple.

478 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:45:48pm

re: #471 jcm

Yeah, but he's always leaving the screen door open.

/ ;-)

He just wants some fresh air.

479 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:46:05pm

re: #467 ConservatismNow!

As a Marine (former), submariner is beneath me.

There are former sailors, there are former soldiers, but there are only marines.

And I say this as a former squid. ;)

480 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:46:14pm

re: #435 Mad Al-Jaffee

I serve it with plain white buns.

You mean, "Typical White Buns"?

481 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:46:15pm

re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee

After my brother and sister in law told me about some of the food they ate in China, you may want to rethink that "ANY Chinese food."

LOL
I believe the best Chinese food in the world may be found on University Ave in Berkley..My best friend in the world took me there on special occasions..Awesome food

482 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:46:35pm

re: #476 turn

wtf happened turn. oh well a comment about not releasing all of them since we paid for them and an observation that O must have really not known about it since the guy got canned.

I don't think I'd necessarily conclude that.

483 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:46:56pm

re: #472 capitalist piglet

I know it's too much to hope for, but I sure wish he would talk. I don't think we know half of what that was about.

The full investigation will be released later today. Probably waiting to miss the evening news.

484 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:47:03pm

re: #444 CyanSnowHawk

Some Lizards, but not Charles, have used that name to refer to Rachel Corrie, the girl that was run over by a bulldozer in Israel when protesting the IDF demolition of a terrorists house.

Apparently didn't understand the concept of a 'blind spot.'

At the last family reunion, my moonbat sister kept harassing my son, who served in the IDF, asking him if he knew about Rachel Corrie. He said, "yeah, I heard about it in the news." She kept whacking away at him, asking did he know the dozer driver, would he ever run over somebody like that, etc. He said, "I wasn't there and I was never in a situation like that."

Later he said to me, "Ma, my aunt is a bitch. How did you grow up in the same family?"

485 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:47:37pm

re: #480 calcajun

You mean, "Typical White Buns"?

Are they bitter, and clingy?

486 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:47:56pm

re: #483 avanti

The full investigation will be released later today. Probably waiting to miss the evening news.

Who did that investigation, do you know?

487 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:22pm

re: #457 lawhawk

OT:
We've got our Friday night news dump - the White House canned Louis Caldera for the Air Force One mess.

Suh-PRISE, suh-PRISE, suh-PRISE.

488 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:23pm

re: #479 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are former sailors, there are former soldiers, but there are only marines.

And I say this as a former squid. ;)

And then there's Murtha

489 crimeshark  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:24pm
The government is acting in the role of Lucifer. They are taking stuff from you. They are forcing you — yes, I did, I did just say, yes, the government is the devil.

Ah, well- DUH. As a government worker I can pretty much attest to that.

Excuse me- I have to pick up the phone. Extension 666 is ringing again.

490 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:44pm

I only know of three ex-Marines.

Lee Harvey Oswald, Clayton Lonetree, and John Murtha.

TAKE THE
HIGH GROUND,
R

491 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #482 capitalist piglet

I don't think I'd necessarily conclude that.

I saw your post upthread, if that guy knew more do you think O would can him? Nothing keeping him from talking when he is no longer an appointee.

492 MacDuff  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:48pm

re: #467 ConservatismNow!

As a Marine (former), submariner is beneath me.

What about Aquaman?

493 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #488 ConservatismNow!

And then there's Murtha

a former human

494 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:49:00pm

re: #488 ConservatismNow!

And then there's Murtha

ZING.

495 FightingBack  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:49:01pm

re: #457 lawhawk

OT:
We've got our Friday night news dump - the White House canned Louis Caldera for the Air Force One mess.

He forgot.
9/11? Oh, aren't they over that already?
/////////

496 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:49:29pm

re: #492 MacDuff

What about Aquaman?

Don't Ask, Don't Tell

/

497 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:49:30pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

BTW, that was fast. They already have your comment up on their main page.

498 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:49:33pm

re: #472 capitalist piglet

I know it's too much to hope for, but I sure wish he would talk. I don't think we know half of what that was about.

I don't think it was about anything more than a damn photo.

It's emblematic of the WH mindset, we'll just do what we want, WE WON!

They don't think of anything beyond that.

499 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:49:47pm

re: #477 Honorary Yooper

No, but they would've made such a lovely couple.

Bride of Rage Boy.

500 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:01pm

re: #479 FurryOldGuyJeans

There are former sailors, there are former soldiers, but there are only marines.

And I say this as a former squid. ;)

With John Murtha being the exception.

501 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:01pm

re: #476 turn

wtf happened turn. oh well a comment about not releasing all of them since we paid for them and an observation that O must have really not known about it since the guy got canned.

The likelihood this guy is the sacrificial goat for the real culprit is a lot more realistic than O not having a clue about what is being done in his name.

502 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:05pm

re: #421 Honorary Yooper

Apparently, a German blogger (who has a website called "Jihad Watch Deutschland") put up a picture of a group of Hamas "people" doing a *itler salute, then added a subtitle, saying that the group was saluting "individual X." (I believe that's defamatory in Germany). (Germany's constitution states -- this constitution was devised by the Allies, after WWII -- that observing "human dignity" is a right which must be respected and afforded to all...)

503 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #484 Alouette

LOL. Your answer?

504 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:21pm

re: #497 Honorary Yooper

BTW, that was fast. They already have your comment up on their main page.

Are they offended that no one was offended?

505 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:50:39pm

re: #485 OldLineTexan

Are they bitter, and clingy?

Ewww...clingy buns.

506 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #472 capitalist piglet

I know it's too much to hope for, but I sure wish he would talk. I don't think we know half of what that was about.

I don't know that there's anything much to know. Military scheduled a photo shoot over Manhattan; military informed NYC police of the operation; military then stupidly insisted that the public be kept in the dark for security reasons. Chaos ensues, heads roll.

I really don't think there's anything more to it than that. And despite this Administration's penchant for micromanagement, I doubt the 0 ever heard anything about it until it was all over the news.

507 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #498 jcm

I don't think it was about anything more than a damn photo.
It's emblematic of the WH mindset, we'll just do what we want, WE WON!
They don't think of anything beyond that.

/yeah but now O's pissed, he is going to need another photo for his holiday cards...

508 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:51:28pm

re: #486 capitalist piglet

Who did that investigation, do you know?

Jim Messina, deputy chief of staff

509 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:51:36pm

re: #491 turn

I saw your post upthread, if that guy knew more do you think O would can him? Nothing keeping him from talking when he is no longer an appointee.

That depends on whether he's the kind of person to take one for the team or not. I just don't know. It's just sort of hard to imagine someone did this merely for a photo op.

510 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:51:37pm

re: #505 redstateredneck

Ewww...clingy buns.

Try some of this.

511 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #491 turn

I saw your post upthread, if that guy knew more do you think O would can him? Nothing keeping him from talking when he is no longer an appointee.

There are more than enough non-FMSM apologists willing to roast the guy if he speaks out against Teh (sic) One. The DNC propaganda arm is best held in reserve for someone else higher up who gets canned and speaks evil about the Holy Messiah-King.

512 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #467 ConservatismNow!

There is no such thing as a former Marine. John Murtha is an EX-Marine,

Semper Fi

513 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #504 OldLineTexan

Are they offended that no one was offended?

As usual. It's an echo chamber.

514 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:52:34pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

The likelihood this guy is the sacrificial goat for the real culprit is a lot more realistic than O not having a clue about what is being done in his name.

They both sound like viable options.

515 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:53:01pm

re: #488 ConservatismNow!

re: #490 Render

re: #500 CyanSnowHawk

GMTA.

516 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:53:27pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

The likelihood this guy is the sacrificial goat for the real culprit is a lot more realistic than O not having a clue about what is being done in his name.

Yea, the guy that resigned will be found dead of suicide /s

517 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #510 OldLineTexan

Try some of this.

The youngsters prefer Boudreaux's Butt Paste.

518 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:53:38pm

re: #500 CyanSnowHawk

With John Murtha being the exception.

I hate to say it, but even he is a Marine. Doesn't deserve it, but he is.

*Ptooie* *spit* *GAG*

519 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #508 avanti

Jim Messina, deputy chief of staff

Thanks. No big surprise there.

520 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:54:06pm

re: #516 avanti

Yea, the guy that resigned will be found dead of suicide /s

With muddy shoes in a dry park?

/learn from past mistakes!
/

521 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #457 lawhawk

OT:
We've got our Friday night news dump - the White House canned Louis Caldera for the Air Force One mess.

Scratch one buck stopper.

522 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:54:55pm

re: #472 capitalist piglet

I know it's too much to hope for, but I sure wish he would talk. I don't think we know half of what that was about.

So far, he has said it happened because he didn't check the e-mail box it went to often, and because he was on pain meds for a bad back. Seriously.

Aleve helps sciatica without making one "loopy." Maybe I should let Mr. Caldera know.

523 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:55:05pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

The likelihood this guy is the sacrificial goat for the real culprit is a lot more realistic than O not having a clue about what is being done in his name.

That may well be true, but part of me is still having a hard time believing he would allow a member of his cabinet to do something that stupid.

524 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:55:18pm

re: #510 OldLineTexan

Try some of this.

heh...booked it

525 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:55:20pm

re: #520 OldLineTexan

With muddy shoes in a dry park?

/learn from past mistakes!
/

it sent a message...

526 FabioC.  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:55:31pm

Say that the government is a necessary evil, not in a theological sense, and I'll agree.

527 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:55:58pm

re: #524 albusteve

heh...booked it

Hey, I bought my son some for Christmas. He said it worked.

528 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:56:07pm

re: #524 albusteve

heh...booked it


mr hightechredneck always used Gold Bond powder for motorcycle riding in the summer. Maybe I ought to bookmark it for him, too.

529 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:56:46pm

re: #516 avanti

Yea, the guy that resigned will be found dead of suicide /s

You don't agree that it's possible it wasn't Caldera's fault, and are willing to accept the findings of a deputy chief of staff as gospel. This day is just full of surprises!

It's a relatively minor incident, but Furry could be right, you know. It seems rather odd that this happened at all.

530 Render  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:56:47pm

re: #518 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe one of the retired Marine groups excommunicated his fat ass after his Haditha pronouncements.

HE'S
AN
EX,
R

531 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:57:08pm

re: #527 OldLineTexan

Hey, I bought my son some for Christmas. He said it worked.

Did he have anti-monkey butt on his wish list or did you buy it on a whim?

532 nikis-knight  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:57:31pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Vinegar on chips is good. I like mayo.

racist!
/

533 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:57:33pm

(drive-by post)

I'm not surprised to see a pseudo-religious underlayer (from whatever source) influencing Beck's rants. There's something very strange about him.

534 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:58:16pm

re: #531 redstateredneck

Did he have anti-monkey butt on his wish list or did you buy it on a whim?

I saw it here, and needed a gag gift for his stocking.

But then he decided to use it.

My brother the electrician with plumber's crack got some, too.

535 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:58:40pm

re: #523 turn

That may well be true, but part of me is still having a hard time believing he would allow a member of his cabinet to do something that stupid.

It is only stupid in retrospect because of the public uproar. All they saw when they planned it was photo-op.

The level of planning to do and coordinate the fly-over amongst all the diverse government agencies involved shows the canned flunky is just CYA.

536 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:58:50pm

re: #397 jcm

I also can't stand Mayonaise, I make a substitute out of tofu, mustard powder. We also use Vegenaise due my wife's food allergies.

There's a twelve-step program for that.

537 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #534 OldLineTexan

I saw it here, and needed a gag gift for his stocking.

But then he decided to use it.

My brother the electrician with plumber's crack got some, too.

Hell, I work for a trucking company. I could set me up a little anti-monkey butt stand and make a killing!

538 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:59:04pm

re: #512 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

539 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:59:27pm

re: #509 capitalist piglet

See JCM's 498, pure arrogance.

540 ConservatismNow!  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #530 Render

I believe one of the retired Marine groups excommunicated his fat ass after his Haditha pronouncements.

HE'S
AN
EX,
R

Murtha -- The Marine Corps' Ex-Husband.

541 wrenchwench  Fri, May 8, 2009 1:59:57pm

re: #510 OldLineTexan

Try some of this.

Ooooh, thanks for posting that. My distributor dropped it, and I think I'll have to order direct.

542 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:00:00pm

re: #530 Render

I believe one of the retired Marine groups excommunicated his fat ass after his Haditha pronouncements.

HE'S
AN
EX,
R

That I have no knowledge of, but if it happened then good.

543 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #523 turn

That may well be true, but part of me is still having a hard time believing he would allow a member of his cabinet to do something that stupid.

That makes sense, but I think we have a tendency to forget that though Obama is president, he is as green as they come. He's one of the least experienced people in D.C., after all.

544 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:00:30pm

re: #530 Render

I believe one of the retired Marine groups excommunicated his fat ass after his Haditha pronouncements.

HE'S
AN
EX,
R

Good for them!

545 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:00:37pm

re: #535 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is only stupid in retrospect because of the public uproar. All they saw when they planned it was photo-op.

The level of planning to do and coordinate the fly-over amongst all the diverse government agencies involved shows the canned flunky is just CYA.

fodder

546 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:01:00pm

re: #529 capitalist piglet

You don't agree that it's possible it wasn't Caldera's fault, and are willing to accept the findings of a deputy chief of staff as gospel. This day is just full of surprises!

It's a relatively minor incident, but Furry could be right, you know. It seems rather odd that this happened at all.

Since Gates was involved in the investigation, I'll trust it more then just the Obama guy.

"Obama has asked Jim Messina, his deputy chief of staff, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates or his designee "to jointly review the organizational structure of the White House Military Office and the reporting relationship of its components to the White House and the Air Force, and to make recommendations to him to ensure that such an incident never occurs again.

Gates had ordered a review of notification procedures for high-visibility "training events."

In a letter responding to a request by Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Gates wrote that he was concerned that the public had not been adequately informed about the flyover.

"I am concerned that this highly public and visible mission did not include an appropriate public affairs plan nor adequate review and approval by senior Air Force and (Department of Defense) officials," Gates wrote in the letter dated Tuesday and later obtained by FOX News.

Participants on the flight included one combat photographer, a standard crew complement for Air Force One and the two F-16s that accompanied it and no non-duty personnel or extra passengers, Gates wrote. "

547 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:01:17pm

re: #541 wrenchwench

Ooooh, thanks for posting that. My distributor dropped it, and I think I'll have to order direct.

The teenage girl at Ace Hardware said it was selling really well.

I assume it was mainly due to the packaging; however, they had it displayed on the "impulse buy" shelf next to the register. Marketing 101.

548 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:01:18pm
549 Justabill  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:01:41pm

re: #534 OldLineTexan

I saw it here, and needed a gag gift for his stocking.

But then he decided to use it.

My brother the electrician with plumber's crack got some, too.

I always though Zims Crack Cream would be a good gag gift for a plumber...

550 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:02:31pm

re: #511 FurryOldGuyJeans

I can understand the idea this guy would fall on his sword for the messiah but getting canned tends to piss you off big time - think Scott McClellan

551 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:02:42pm

re: #497 Honorary Yooper

Jeez, I guess they have nothing better to do.

552 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:02:56pm

re: #535 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is only stupid in retrospect because of the public uproar. All they saw when they planned it was photo-op.

The level of planning to do and coordinate the fly-over amongst all the diverse government agencies involved shows the canned flunky is just CYA.

David Boze's wife Peggy (who I believe worked at some level in the Bush administration) isn't buying that this was a mere photo op. I heard her call in his show when it happened - she thought it sounded more like a possible fundraiser.

That'd be something.

If it was merely to get some pictures, they're bigger idiots than I thought.

553 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:03:35pm

re: #538 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

554 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:03:35pm

re: #546 avanti

Since Gates was involved in the investigation, I'll trust it more then just the Obama guy.

"Obama has asked Jim Messina, his deputy chief of staff, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates or his designee "to jointly review the organizational structure of the White House Military Office and the reporting relationship of its components to the White House and the Air Force, and to make recommendations to him to ensure that such an incident never occurs again.

Gates had ordered a review of notification procedures for high-visibility "training events."

In a letter responding to a request by Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Gates wrote that he was concerned that the public had not been adequately informed about the flyover.

"I am concerned that this highly public and visible mission did not include an appropriate public affairs plan nor adequate review and approval by senior Air Force and (Department of Defense) officials," Gates wrote in the letter dated Tuesday and later obtained by FOX News.

Participants on the flight included one combat photographer, a standard crew complement for Air Force One and the two F-16s that accompanied it and no non-duty personnel or extra passengers, Gates wrote. "

it's in the best interest of the feds to complicate simple matters for the future benefit of people just like you...you could easily get a job stroking BO at some entry position

555 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:04:01pm
556 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:04:35pm

re: #549 Justabill

I always though Zims Crack Cream would be a good gag gift for a plumber...

This would be a good gift for a plumber.

557 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:04:51pm

Earthquake Details
Magnitude 4.2
Date-Time

* Friday, May 08, 2009 at 20:27:13 UTC
* Friday, May 08, 2009 at 01:27:13 PM at epicenter
* Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 34.445°N, 119.184°W
Depth 6.6 km (4.1 miles)
Region SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances

* 6 km (4 miles) E (94°) from Ojai, CA
* 8 km (5 miles) E (93°) from Meiners Oaks, CA
* 10 km (6 miles) E (79°) from Mira Monte, CA
* 19 km (12 miles) NNE (12°) from San Buenaventura (Ventura), CA
* 28 km (18 miles) N (360°) from Oxnard, CA
* 96 km (60 miles) WNW (297°) from Los Angeles Civic Center, CA

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.4 km (0.2 miles); depth +/- 1.4 km (0.9 miles)
Parameters Nph=090, Dmin=4 km, Rmss=0.49 sec, Gp= 58°,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=C
Source

* California Integrated Seismic Net:
* USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR

Event ID ci10406593

558 doppelganglander  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #271 Catttt

I'm late with this, I know, but I must compliment you for your ability to find lesser known, amazingly hot men on the Internet. Yummy.

559 nikis-knight  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:05:21pm

re: #448 Spenser (with an S)

So, we (and our church) pay a significant amount of money to send our kids to a Christian school with non-union teachers. My daughter just came home with the Scholastic Reader? "Pres. Obama's first 100 days!" Lots of garbage about his plans and his new dog, etc.. Quiz on the last page, question

#1- "President Obama's plan to help the economy is designed to...
a- create jobs
b-bring home troops
c-cut taxes
d-both a and c

It was d. My daughter knew something was wrong with that, but she has great reading retention and that's what the article said.

Well, it's friday. The teacher probably passed them out to grab a quick nap while the kids looked at the pictures.
/

560 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:05:27pm

re: #553 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Psssst.
Got one for ya.
bigtime.

561 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:05:34pm

re: #550 turn

I can understand the idea this guy would fall on his sword for the messiah but getting canned tends to piss you off big time - think Scott McClellan

He speaks out, he will get roasted alive. McClellan spoke out against who? You think the FMSM would ignore a Bush hater?

562 redstateredneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:05:59pm

re: #552 capitalist piglet

David Boze's wife Peggy (who I believe worked at some level in the Bush administration) isn't buying that this was a mere photo op. I heard her call in his show when it happened - she thought it sounded more like a possible fundraiser.

That'd be something.

If it was merely to get some pictures, they're bigger idiots than I thought.


Whoever's idea it was, we paid for it and now they can't use it because it backfired on their stupid asses.

563 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:06:36pm

re: #553 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

MWAH!

564 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #552 capitalist piglet

David Boze's wife Peggy (who I believe worked at some level in the Bush administration) isn't buying that this was a mere photo op. I heard her call in his show when it happened - she thought it sounded more like a possible fundraiser.

That'd be something.

If it was merely to get some pictures, they're bigger idiots than I thought.

They're pretty large idiots. Stonewalling the New York public about the flyover and accompanying fighter aircraft was in the "moron" category.

For what it's worth, it was also a training mission.

565 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #535 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is only stupid in retrospect because of the public uproar. All they saw when they planned it was photo-op.

The level of planning to do and coordinate the fly-over amongst all the diverse government agencies involved shows the canned flunky is just CYA.


rut ro, turn and avanti agree on this. dang might have to change my position. just kidding avanti - I know you don't pay attention to it but dang avanti you are near a thousand downdings.

566 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:13pm

re: #553 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Our last cat love boxes, even if it was way too small, he'd just lay on it.

567 doppelganglander  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:32pm

re: #337 capitalist piglet

If he pours maple syrup on spaghetti and tops it with m&ms, we'll know he was raised at the North Pole, which would explain those ears.

(No one will get that if they haven't seen "Elf".)

We elves try to stick to the four main food groups: candy, candy canes, candy corns and syrup.

568 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:59pm
569 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:09:04pm

re: #568 Iron Fist

For Avanti :-)


[Video]

yup....with rhythm....nice catch btw

570 twincitiesgirl  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:10:47pm

Just stopping by to add my two cents. Mr Beck, please open your Bible and read the following:

1 Timothy 2:1-3 (NIV)

1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior,

Don't call our President & other elected officials Lucifer unless you want to be thought of in the same terms as other nutjobs such as the President of Iran who used it when President Bush was in office. "The United States is the Great Satan."

If all you can do is call names and incite people to ridiculous actions based on your skewed belief system, then PLEASE SHUT UP. Be constructive, not destructive, get it?

571 wrenchwench  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #547 OldLineTexan

The teenage girl at Ace Hardware said it was selling really well.

I assume it was mainly due to the packaging; however, they had it displayed on the "impulse buy" shelf next to the register. Marketing 101.

That's where I have it. At least 9 out of 10 purchasers are getting it as a gag for someone else, but every once in a while, they come back for a refill.

572 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:11:28pm

re: #543 capitalist piglet

That makes sense, but I think we have a tendency to forget that though Obama is president, he is as green as they come. He's one of the least experienced people in D.C., after all.


Many in his cabinent praise him for his attention to detail but it appears this "photo op" got past him which makes me think the attention to detail thing is BS.

573 GouldANDGod  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #5 zombie

Mormon's views are non-standard-which is good because the 'standard' is arbitrary and flawed as well. Mormon's believe some crazy things. But so do Buddhists, Baptists, and Atheists.

574 turn  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:22pm

re: #558 doppelganglander

I'm late with this, I know, but I must compliment you for your ability to find lesser known, amazingly hot men on the Internet. Yummy.

turn's picture is on the internets? oh me oh my

575 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:51pm
576 HDrepub  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:55pm

re: #571 wrenchwench

That's where I have it. At least 9 out of 10 purchasers are getting it as a gag for someone else, but every once in a while, they come back for a refill.

If you rub some on your head's monkey butt bald spot will it make the hair grow back?

577 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #572 turn

Many in his cabinent praise him for his attention to detail but it appears this "photo op" got past him which makes me think the attention to detail thing is BS.

I think it's the explanation for why he was "furious." 0 strikes me as the quintessential micromanager, who has to look over everyone's shoulder and direct everyone's activity, and who actively discourages independent thinking and action. Someone making decisions that he didn't personally approve rubbed his hair the wrong way, big time.

This will cause real problems as his Presidency proceeds. The job is far too complex to manage single-handedly - no one has the requisite expertise nor simply the time to do everything themselves. That's sort of the whole point of having a Cabinet, a staff, and advisors. He's going to overstuff his head with way too many details, and things are going to start dropping out of there to make room. In some cases, important things.

It also makes for a very non-productive environment. Everyone who can put up with this sort of hyper-supervision is the type who cannot function independently; they'll stand around waiting to be told what to do, instead of acting when action is critically needed.

578 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:16pm

re: #558 doppelganglander

I'm late with this, I know, but I must compliment you for your ability to find lesser known, amazingly hot men on the Internet. Yummy.

:D So many men - so little time. :D

579 avanti  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:27:35pm

re: #565 turn

rut ro, turn and avanti agree on this. dang might have to change my position. just kidding avanti - I know you don't pay attention to it but dang avanti you are near a thousand downdings.

Yea, I've been on a tear lately, I was a -2000 a few weeks back but am making a fast comeback.Minor ding set back this AM ,when someone asked my opinion, and I foolishly gave it. :)

580 freetoken  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:39:32pm

Good to see the use of the juvenileinstructor.org blog... it appears to be one of the more objective Mormon-centric blogs. It is always difficult for a member of a group to try and look objectively at their own group or members.

Beck's Mormonism comes through in his "912" effort. There is nothing wrong with a religious person wishing to share their beliefs, but I do believe that Beck is being disingenuous by not disclosing the source of some of his doctrine.

581 Mosse  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:55:19pm

I'm glad you posted on this. I wrote about this in LGF comments, last night, and I wrote to Beck when he sent this around on May 5th, quoting himself from his radio program, that day. I found these ideas on "wikimormon" and the site does not identify them as no longer in the main stream of Mormon thought. What is FOX doing...
[Link: www.mormonwiki.com...]
Elder ElRay L. Christensen said this about Satan,
That which Satan sought as being "evil before God" was to force all men to do the will of God. Using compulsion or force he offered to ‘save’ every person, and for so doing he demanded the honor and the glory that belongs to God. In contrast to Satan’s proposition, the Lord’s plan permitted individual progress by giving us the right to choose between good and evil (ElRay L. Christiansen, “The Adversary,” New Era, Sept. 1975, 4).

582 LC LaWedgie  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:11:41pm
But to return to the starting-point of this communication, the mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble, through the rivalry of schools and creeds that are anxious to obtain official recognition, and there is great danger that our people will lose that independence of thought and action which is the cause of much of our greatness, and sink into the helplessness of the Frenchman or German who expects his government to feed him when hungry, clothe him when naked, to prescribe when his child may be born and when he may die, and, in fine, to regulate every act of humanity from the cradle to the tomb, including the manner in which he may seek future admission to paradise.
583 ShanghaiEd  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:17:08pm

re: #448 Spenser (with an S)

So, we (and our church) pay a significant amount of money to send our kids to a Christian school with non-union teachers. My daughter just came home with the Scholastic Reader? "Pres. Obama's first 100 days!" Lots of garbage about his plans and his new dog, etc.. Quiz on the last page, question

#1- "President Obama's plan to help the economy is designed to...
a- create jobs
b-bring home troops
c-cut taxes
d-both a and c

It was d. My daughter knew something was wrong with that, but she has great reading retention and that's what the article said.

How did the Scholastic Reader approach the Bush years? If they were upbeat and didn't question government programs back then, at least they're being consistent.

584 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:42:10pm

Not trying to post a stealth reply but I just got home to post again... One more editorial from me on the LDS Church and politics. Ezra Taft Benson was active politically and a staunch anti-communist in the 50s and 60s. When he was called to lead the Church he left his politics out of his ecclesiastical work.

Most Mormons leave their political views at the door of the chapel and we are very big on individual choice and agency. Given our history and emphasis on shared resources and consecration it may seem strange that communism is not popular among our members, however the big distinction is the difference between being compelled to share (big government) and sharing voluntarily (private charity). Again it seems Glenn Beck has taken some cues from our beliefs about agency and individual choice but saying the Government is the Devil isn't central to our beliefs. In fact another common Mormon belief is that we sustain and support the government of our home countries (render unto Caesar...)

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:54:13pm

re: #29 MandyManners

This guy is fucking nuts. Is there any chance he has schizotypical personality disorder?

Anything's possible. I do sometimes wonder if these sorts of folks take up performing because it gives them a more socially-acceptable way to freak out in public.

586 tlclark  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:20:04pm

DaddyG

Excellent point. It's also worth noting that when Benson became prophet, there were large expectations (some of dread by Mormon liberals - and some of delight by Mormon paleocons) that he would bring his politics into his calling. Well those fears and dreams went pffft, didn't they? And the same is true of Skousen who ended his career as a religion teacher. Both men changed dramatically in 30 years. The Skousen of 1950 was not the Skousen of 1980.

587 Irenicum  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:24:06pm

Seriously, Glenn has gone from LDS to LSD.

588 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:24:53pm

re: #586 tlclark Not to sound too much the apologist...of course it doesn't keep some of us (LDS) from being infatuated with the political stuff and resurrecting it. It seems Glenn Beck has tapped into it here.

Again I've got to say thanks to the Lizards for not turning this into a Mormon bash. Stay classy!

589 DaddyG  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:25:47pm

re: #587 Irenicum

Seriously, Glenn has gone from LDS to LSD.


Heh - Like Kirk explaining Spocks behavior in Star Trek IV "Too much LDS in the 70s"

590 Irenicum  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:28:18pm

re: #589 DaddyG

I forgot that line. It was great! Hey, I need to see the new Star Trek this weekend!

591 tlclark  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:29:28pm

Now not to pick a fight with the Big Lizard, but I think it's entirely unfair of him to lump Beck in with Spencer and Geller. Spencer and Geller are clearly duplicitous crap weasels flirting with eurofascists. Beck is just a self-affirmed rodeo clown and drama queen who's sins are a product of overexuberance. He's sloppy and pretentious. Not my cup of tea, but hardly in the same camp as the others. So I have a specific question for Charles...as far as I can tell, the only works of Skousen that he has ever endorsed are Making America and The 5000 Year Leap. Both are largely inoffensive if overly sentimental and generalized histories of America's founding.

Now let's assume that the only Skousen Beck knows is the Skousen of these books and his later years, the respected religion professor who recanted much of his earlier views, especially those on race. I can't be sure of this, but I think this is the most logical view.

Given that assumption, what exactly in those books are so objectionable? Has anyone ever heard Beck quote the 1960 Bircher defending Skousen? If I'm wrong, I'll relent, but I don't think I am.

I think you're misreading Glenn on this point (perhaps all of his Ron Paul pimping negates this point, but I don't think so.) Martin Luther was a piece of anti-semitic work (as were many other great writers.) If I endorse one of Martin Luther's works, am I an anti-semite? I don't think so. Likewise I don't think you can paint Glenn with all of Skousen's sins (many of which he repented from, but that's another issue.)

592 coquimbojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:37:26pm

re: #584 DaddyG

As another LDS lizard, I have to say you put that well. Beck can be over the top. That's why I rarely listen to him. He is for personal freedom and responsibility and would never flirt with fascist ideas. As for Ron Paul, he was amazingly hard on the guy the two interviews I did hear. Since his time slot comes up against Rush here in Vegas, I listen to Rush when I can.

Since I grew up in the Church I am very familiar with Ezra Taft Benson. It came as a surprise to me that he was so political before joining the leadership of the Church. You would never hear him mention politics.

593 tlclark  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:45:49pm

re: #592 coquimbojoe
And the same was true about Skousen. No one at BYU in the 80's who had him as a teacher of religion would have recognized the "civil rights movement is a communist plot" Skousen.

He had changed.

594 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:07:01pm

re: #591 tlclark

Now not to pick a fight with the Big Lizard, but I think it's entirely unfair of him to lump Beck in with Spencer and Geller.

And where exactly did I do that?

If anyone would like a closer look at Cleon Skousen, a racist kook with so many loony ideas it's almost impossible to recount them all:

[Link: www.mormoncurtain.com...]

I'm not surprised that there's an effort at revisionism for this nutjob -- just sad. And no, I do not intend to change a single thing about the way I'm covering this. Glenn Beck is promoting lunacy.

595 Zimriel  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:12:49pm

Yeah, I'm still on semi-hiatus. But this is worth a visit -

What continues to fascinate me are the parallels between Mormonism and Islam. re, 'Moses 4:3 (Pearl of Great Price) in which the Lord reveals that in the pre-mortal existence, “Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man.” ' - this comes right off several suras of the Qur'an. It's certainly not in the Old Testament; I can't seem to find it in anything written prior to the New Testament (angels do sin and fall in 1 Enoch; but that's because of lust for humans, not malice).

The story goes that Allah told the angels and/or the djinn (the text is unclear here) to bow before Adam. Iblis then told Allah he was too good for that; whether he was a genie or an angel, he was a being of fire and not a mud person. Allah then pulled out the divine ban stick and Iblis's last post before the inevitable was "at least let me hang around Earth and try to seduce these clowns".

This is pretty much what we have here from that other book of the prophet. Also, the original Battlestar Galactica, written by a Mormon, had an episode where an "Iblis" tried to take the souls of everyone in BSG. It seems obvious to me that he'd seen the parallel too. (I was really hoping for an Iblis episode in the remake.)

596 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:13:12pm

And before anyone says it -- yes, I know Steve Benson's site is an anti-Mormon site. But everything he writes about Cleon Skousen can be easily verified through other sources. I linked that page because it shows just how much bad craziness there was in Skousen and his ideas.

597 Zimriel  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:14:14pm

Also note, in this quote from "Moses", the absence of a war in heaven to dethrone God. This is again more Muhammad than Milton.

598 tlclark  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:37:14pm

re: #594 Charles

Ok, fair enough. It seemed to me that you were putting Glenn in Spencer's and Geller's camp. I guess there are many flavors of loons.

On Skousen, everything from Benson's site is pre-1980 Skousen. Again, it is clear that both Benson and Skousen were different men by the ends of their lives. I do not condone or apologize for anything he said then. People can change however.

Also, it doesn't answer the original question. What evidence is there that Beck endorses the earlier Skousen? and what is objectionable about the two books I mentioned? Thanks.

599 tlclark  Fri, May 8, 2009 6:56:25pm

re: #597 Zimriel

sigh.

The war heaven is part of Mormon doctrine too. These "Mormonism is American Mohammedism" things are really tiresome.

600 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:06:33pm

re: #598 tlclark

Also, it doesn't answer the original question. What evidence is there that Beck endorses the earlier Skousen? and what is objectionable about the two books I mentioned? Thanks.

I guess you're going to ignore my question about where I "lumped Beck in with Spencer and Geller."

But I'll answer your question about Skousen's books -- I have much better things to do with my time than read books by John Birchers and New World Order nutjobs. I have more than enough information about Cleon Skousen already; I don't need to struggle through his books too.

601 tlclark  Fri, May 8, 2009 7:28:13pm

re: #600 Charles

Thanks Charles,

Um, I think my last post made it clear that it was my impression that you lumped Glenn in with Spencer et al. You say you did not, fine, I'll take you at your word and re-evaluate my impression. I'm not playing gothca here. Honest. But it's also clear that you think Glenn is a loon, which I concede, so I'm not sure why you're being so defensive.

About the next comment. Skousen was not a ranting Bircher by the end of his life. So, just as one can find gold and dross in Luther, you can do the same with Skousen. You obviously don't want to give Beck the benefit of the doubt -probably because of other things Beck does - that he only knows the gold and not the dross. I disagree and choose to give Beck the benefit of the doubt. Fine.

I've read both books and trust me, they're harmless.

If we are going to condemn people for their associations we have to make sure that those we condemn are fully aware or un-nuanced in their endorsements, otherwise, we could call all current Lutherans anti-semites which is unfair. It's clear because of Skousen change of heart, and Beck's endorsement of the most harmless of Skousen's books that's there's room enough for doubt.

Thanks again,

Travis

602 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 8, 2009 8:01:47pm

re: #601 tlclark

I've read both books and trust me, they're harmless.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not inclined to trust you, after you've attempted to whitewash Cleon Skousen and Glenn Beck, and mischaracterized my posts.

603 jwbrown1969  Fri, May 8, 2009 8:37:08pm

LOL I suppose it isre: #383 OldLineTexan

604 Zimriel  Fri, May 8, 2009 9:51:08pm

re: #599 tlclark

sigh.

The war heaven is part of Mormon doctrine too. These "Mormonism is American Mohammedism" things are really tiresome.


I mean no insult by it. I am not here tonight to cause chaos, taunt people, or engage in flame wars. If I have upset you I am truly sorry.

I didn't know the war in heaven was part of Mormon doctrine. It's barely part of Christian doctrine; it can be derived from John's Revelation, I'm told, but I'm not sure I see how. (I'm leaving aside Revelation's status within the NT and Church history.)

I'm looking through your Book of Moses now - have you ever come across a text called "Jubilees" from the Ethiopians (and the Dead Sea sect)...? Jubilees was Torah retold, which proclaimed itself delivered "on this mountain" by God to Moses, and was rediscovered in later times.

605 Zimriel  Fri, May 8, 2009 9:55:25pm

re: #599 tlclark

sigh.

The war heaven is part of Mormon doctrine too. These "Mormonism is American Mohammedism" things are really tiresome.

One more thing: I wasn't talking Mormon doctrine. I was talking about the Book of Moses. It is possible that the Book of Moses, like the Book of Mormon, might be genuine texts of their time with doctrines not convenient to later Mormon doctrine, nor even to Joseph Smith. That would in fact be points in favour of those texts' authenticity. For instance the Book of Jacob is anti-polygamy as you are probably aware.

I do not find war in heaven in the Book of Moses; if it is Mormon doctrine, it is interesting that it wasn't revealed to Moses on the mountain...

/okay that time I was arguably causing chaos... lol

//but I am genuinely intrigued by the topic

606 Rustler  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:26:50pm

Bobby Boucher the government is the devil.

607 INFDL  Sat, May 9, 2009 2:01:30am
What remains to be seen is whether conservative Mormons (of both the Republican and libertarian stripe) buy into Beck’s apocalyptic discourse, and whether such acceptance will indeed signal the rebirth of Bensonian politics within the LDS church

Not from my experience. I am a former Mo, but have no hostility at all towards the Church at large (a rarity in Salt Lake actually). I keep many close devout friends and they are ALL reasonable people. The Church is growing up post-Benson, thank God.

608 ibmkeyboard  Sat, May 9, 2009 5:25:57am
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

I read this verse as often as I can.

Then I ride my bike to control my anger.

609 [deleted]  Sat, May 9, 2009 6:39:45am
610 Salamantis  Sat, May 9, 2009 7:27:48am

re: #609 acumen

After reading these statements about Glenn Beck I had to look and make sure I wasn't on a far out literal blog or MSNBC. Boy is Little Green Apples stinking the place up on this one. Beck is 90% right on the money when it comes to what is going on with B.O. and his Apple Dumpling Gang.

This isn't a matter of liberal or conservative, it's a matter of idiotarianism, and here no one is exempt from having their idiocies subjected to meticulous inspection, whether they be left or right. No one's insane or odious rants get a free pass simply because they also diss someone you dislike or share your particular idiosyncracies. Glenn Beck has publicly lain down with some nutty and nasty dogs and his flea infestation is palpable, plus he has become a raving conspiracy theory Howard Beale doomsayer loon ever since Fox let him off his crazy chain. His recent unhinged diatribes reek on dry ice, and the suffocating stench of them stinks to high heaven and low hell - not to mention the execrable ordure that he has absorbed by osmosis from his execrable TV show guest company, and which he periodically re-emanates. The fact that you would associate yourself so closely with him is not so much evidence of his objectivity, reason or rationality as it is evidence that you share some of his pet biases and lunacies.

611 Zimriel  Sat, May 9, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #610 Salamantis

This isn't a matter of liberal or conservative, it's a matter of idiotarianism, and here no one is exempt from having their idiocies subjected to meticulous inspection, whether they be left or right. No one's insane or odious rants get a free pass simply because they also diss someone you dislike or share your particular idiosyncracies. Glenn Beck has publicly lain down with some nutty and nasty dogs and his flea infestation is palpable, plus he has become a raving conspiracy theory Howard Beale doomsayer loon ever since Fox let him off his crazy chain. His recent unhinged diatribes reek on dry ice, and the suffocating stench of them stinks to high heaven and low hell - not to mention the execrable ordure that he has absorbed by osmosis from his execrable TV show guest company, and which he periodically re-emanates. The fact that you would associate yourself so closely with him is not so much evidence of his objectivity, reason or rationality as it is evidence that you share some of his pet biases and lunacies.

Good effort, Sal, but you're talking to a troll whose aim was to insult this blog, not to offer sane comments. And he's gone now anyway.

612 Sacred Plants  Sat, May 9, 2009 12:10:57pm
They are taking stuff from you.

Is that man aware what he is talking about?

613 leslein  Sat, May 9, 2009 12:28:45pm

William F. Buckley, Jr. got it right:

"The state is a divine institution. Without it we have anarchy, and the lawlessness of anarchy is counter to the natural law: so we abjure all political theories which view the state as inherently and necessarily evil. But it is the state which has been in history the principal instrument of abuse of the people, and so it is central to the conservatives' program to keep the state from accumulating any but the most necessary powers."

614 ibmkeyboard  Sat, May 9, 2009 6:47:31pm

re: #610 Salamantis

Glenn Beck has publicly lain down with some nutty and nasty dogs and his flea infestation is palpable, plus he has become a raving conspiracy theory Howard Beale doomsayer loon ever since Fox let him off his crazy chain.


I agree.

It is embarrassing to watch him preach like a sweaty tent revivalists
then tell me he is aware of my pain.

I keep looking for someone to pass the collection plate.

And don't get me started on Rev. Huckleberry.

fox news is ok in the mornings with the pretty blond people but the nights are sloppy sales.

615 pete(detroit)  Sat, May 9, 2009 8:09:26pm

Sorry part is that he is actually correct. The government *is* evil. It is inherent in the nature of the thing. It enslaves the populace (at least for a time) stealing the fruits of your labor. It then pisses away it's ill gotten gains, encouraging indolence, sloth, envy, greed, and gluttony. Destroying persona responsibility, and thereby the human dignity, grace, and very souls of the citizens it purports to serve. It is, and has always been evil. It's just more noticeable lately (note - I do NOT pretend to claim that it is not a NECESSARY evil - but surely the smaller the government, the less evil it is, and the less power it has to screw up your life.)

616 Sacred Plants  Sun, May 10, 2009 3:28:10am

It´s just another technology.

617 Salamantis  Sun, May 10, 2009 6:16:32am

re: #615 pete(detroit)

Sorry part is that he is actually correct. The government *is* evil. It is inherent in the nature of the thing. It enslaves the populace (at least for a time) stealing the fruits of your labor. It then pisses away it's ill gotten gains, encouraging indolence, sloth, envy, greed, and gluttony. Destroying persona responsibility, and thereby the human dignity, grace, and very souls of the citizens it purports to serve. It is, and has always been evil. It's just more noticeable lately (note - I do NOT pretend to claim that it is not a NECESSARY evil - but surely the smaller the government, the less evil it is, and the less power it has to screw up your life.)

Governments are like political philosophies and religions; they can be useful tools to help people focus their individual or collective wills upon realizing their goals and desires, but one must be careful to use these tools, and not to be used by them.


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