Obama Will Speak to Muslims From Egypt

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After much consultation and an entire research team’s worth of expertise, Barack Obama has decided to address the Muslim world from Hosni Mubarak’s dictatorship: Obama to Address Muslim World From Egypt.

Hosni is relieved he won’t have to put up with any more of that annoying “democracy” talk.

President Obama will make his promised speech to the Muslim world from Egypt, a White House official said on Friday.

Obama pledged during the campaign to address the Muslim world from a Muslim capital within the first few months of taking office. Picking a site proved challenging for a range of reasons — from diplomacy to security — and the decision took longer than expected, with Obama commissioning options from a research team.

Having settled on Egypt, the White House will announce soon that he is adding a stop there to an upcoming overseas trip, presumably his early June visit to Normandy for the anniversary of D-Day. …

Mubarak, who will meet with Obama at the White House later this month, was so angered by the democracy push that he did not make his annual spring visit to Washington for all of Bush’s second term. The Obama administration, in its budget released this week, has already loosened restrictions imposed by Bush to ensure some U.S. aid went to democracy groups not approved by the Egyptian authorities.

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402 comments
1 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:05:33pm

I sincerely hope he keeps it simple. However, based on his prior performances, I suspect he'll do something stupid.

2 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:06:34pm

Obama to Muslim country internal dissidents: You're Fucked.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:06:56pm

What does the Muslim Brotherhood think of this?

Also, can we call him "Huseein" now?

BTW, the Muslima ad is back. I'm not clicking on it, though

4 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:08pm

They can keep him.

5 MJ  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:14pm

Gist of talk by Obama to Muslims:

"Israel sucks".

6 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #5 MJ

Gist of talk by Obama to Muslims:

"Israel sucks".

And the call to prayer is the most beautiful sound he's ever heard.

7 Wasta  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:07:53pm

OT - Butt Harvested for AF1 Flyover NYC

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Note: Only 2 weeks for out-processing, whatever that is....

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8 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:08:23pm

This is just Obama's way of bringing Jews and Muslims together. He's throwing Egypt's pro-democracy activists under the bus, where they can mix and mingle with the three million or so American Jews who voted for him.

9 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:09:24pm

I suspect that the United States by catering to all these potentates and dictators is losing its clout (appearing increasingly weak) in the eyes of the world. I believe it's dangerous. Soon it simply will make Zero difference whatever the POTUS says...(an object of derision, behind the president's back).

10 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:09:26pm

Visiting the area where the last World War ended, and the next one is likely to begin in the same trip. Very efficient of him.

11 captdiggs  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:09:52pm

I'm wondering how many times he will apologize to Islam in his first year.
This will be the third apology speech ass kissing in just four months

12 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:09:53pm

He probably chose Egypt after Iran refused to let him in.

13 nikis-knight  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:10:04pm
The Obama administration, in its budget released this week, has already loosened restrictions imposed by Bush to ensure some U.S. aid went to democracy groups not approved by the Egyptian authorities.

All foreign aid should be dispersed without regard to the wishes of the kelptocrats in power.

14 doppelganglander  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:10:29pm

Can they just keep him there? Please?

15 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:11:22pm

re: #13 nikis-knight

The Obama administration, in its budget released this week, has already loosened restrictions imposed by Bush to ensure some U.S. aid went to democracy groups not approved by the Egyptian authorities.

All foreign aid should be dispersed without regard to the wishes of the kelptocrats in power.

Except that the opposition in Egypt is largely the Muslim Brotherhood.

16 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:12:25pm

re: #10 CyanSnowHawk

Visiting the area where the last World War ended, and the next one is likely to begin in the same trip. Very efficient of him.

But last month, Obama refused to visit the American cemetery at Utah Beach, because he didn't want to offend the Germans. Is he really going to go to the D-Day commemoration this time? If so, I wonder if he'll be pro- or anti-. Maybe he'll just give a little speech lamenting the great loss of life on all sides.

17 FightingBack  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:12:56pm

Note to TOTUS: Don't do your own translation. The Spanish was embarrassing enough.

18 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:01pm

BO continues to disgrace himself....he will inflame passions until someone pulls the trigger....he is way over his head

19 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:07pm

re: #15 Kosh's Shadow

Except that the opposition in Egypt is largely the Muslim Brotherhood.

True, but I don't think they're the pro-democracy opposition, are they?

20 Gang of One  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:07pm

Somewhat OT, but I had to share this. Comes from a buddy down Messico way who has always leaned somewhere between capitalism and New Age warm-fuzzy. He thought Dubya was evil because he was a Christian. He writes:

A quick look at the issues

Obama. Cool
Iran - Very Uncool
Pope Ratzinger and his band of Holocaust Negationists visiting Israel. An outrage.

The Messican Flu. A big drag.

How does one respond this?
/Sigh ...

21 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:30pm

The America Apology Tour continues....

22 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:13:48pm

All snarking aside, I got a really bad feeling about this.

23 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:00pm

re: #19 Last Mohican

True, but I don't think they're the pro-democracy opposition, are they?

They're pro-democracy until they get elected.

24 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:10pm

re: #21 Idle Drifter

The America Apology Tour continues....

Muslim wannabee

25 baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:11pm

Does Obama realize the message he is sending to those fighting for democracy throughout the world? First the Chavez meeting and now this...this is just disheartening. Not to mention the message it sends to Israel.
The hill our shining city is built on is eroding.

26 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:13pm
Hosni is relieved he won’t have to put up with any more of that annoying “democracy” talk.

100%.

They better speed up the slaughter of those pigs, as well.

Won't be a word about the oppression of Copts.

Won't be a word about the discrimination and racism against black Sudanese living in Egypt, that surpasses Jim Crow.

Won't be a word about Egypt shooting on site Sudanese refugess escaping TO ISRAEL.

Won't be walking on water in Israel.

Won't be in Cairo.

The list goes on and on.

I wonder if he got the go ahead from the Saudis. THEY think THEY are the leaders of the Arab "world."

27 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:19pm

re: #15 Kosh's Shadow

Except that the opposition in Egypt is largely the Muslim Brotherhood.

You beat me to mentioning them!

I'm sure they will be dazzled by Obama's halo.

28 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #16 Last Mohican

But last month, Obama refused to visit the American cemetery at Utah Beach, because he didn't want to offend the Germans. Is he really going to go to the D-Day commemoration this time? If so, I wonder if he'll be pro- or anti-. Maybe he'll just give a little speech lamenting the great loss of life on all sides.

Exactly what he plans on doing. Dresden. He'll speak about German suffering.

29 nikis-knight  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:14:45pm

re: #15 Kosh's Shadow

Except that the opposition in Egypt is largely the Muslim Brotherhood.

Bush was funding them?
And anyway, I didn't say it had to be done via indigenous "opposition" groups. Find some charities on the ground or give out small buisiness loans via a reputable bank or something.

30 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:15:22pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

I'm considering trying to create a sock puppet so I can upding you twice.

31 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:15:25pm

Grand illusion is a good way to describe this administration.


Youtube Video
32 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:15:29pm

re: #22 brookly red

All snarking aside, I got a really bad feeling about this.

What could possibly go wrong (except for Iran building nuclear bombs)?
/

33 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:15:54pm
34 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:15:54pm

We still send Egypt wheat, for G-d's sake.

35 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:15:56pm

re: #21 Idle Drifter

The America Apology Tour continues....

Let's hear it for the Apology Tour
It's been an incredible success
We weren't quite sure, we had a few doubts

Will Obama win through?
But the answer is yes

There you are, I told you so
Makes no difference where he goes
The whole world over just the same
Just listen to them call his name
And who would underestimate the organizer now?

Let's hear it for the Apology Tour
It's been an incredible success
We weren't quite sure, we had a few doubts

Will Obama win through?
But the answer is yes
Hmm, no
Yes
Hmm...no.

36 MacDuff  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:16:56pm

Has he visted Israel yet, or is he visting his friends first and his enemies last?

37 MJ  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:16:58pm

Anyone know if Obama will bother visiting Israel as long as he's in the neighborhood?

38 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:16:59pm

real or photo shop

Image: af_photo.jpg

39 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:02pm

re: #25 baier

Does Obama realize the message he is sending to those fighting for democracy throughout the world? First the Chavez meeting and now this...this is just disheartening. Not to mention the message it sends to Israel.
The hill our shining city is built on is eroding.

And the message he's sent to our Arab "allies" because he seems to accept Iran getting the bomb.

40 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:04pm

I don't be surprised if he gets caught up in Egypt's 6 Day War victory celebrations.

41 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:05pm

re: #33 Iron Fist

I don't think Obama could fuck up more if he were trying to. This is really nuts.

if?

42 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:25pm
43 Rancher  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:38pm

What a coup for the Muslim Brotherhood which started in response to Egyptian tyrants.

44 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:17:55pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

100%.

They better speed up the slaughter of those pigs, as well.

Won't be a word about the oppression of Copts.

Won't be a word about the discrimination and racism against black Sudanese living in Egypt, that surpasses Jim Crow.

Won't be a word about Egypt shooting on site Sudanese refugess escaping TO ISRAEL.

Won't be walking on water in Israel.

Won't be in Cairo.

The list goes on and on.

I wonder if he got the go ahead from the Saudis. THEY think THEY are the leaders of the Arab "world."


If Obama was looking for a friendly, freedom-loving, government to host his speech, they don't get any Nasser than the Egyptians.

45 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:08pm

Unfortunately homegrown democracy doesn't work well in the Muslim world. Pakistan's experiment with returning to democracy doesn't look like it's going to last long. Egypt wouldn't fare much better.

46 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:27pm

re: #20 Gang of One

Somewhat OT, but I had to share this. Comes from a buddy down Messico way who has always leaned somewhere between capitalism and New Age warm-fuzzy. He thought Dubya was evil because he was a Christian. He writes:


How does one respond this?
/Sigh ...

Anti-Christian bigoty is "in". Christian is evil, up is down, light is darkness.

I think you should ask him if he thinks Obama is a Christian, since he says he is. Then state the obvious.

47 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:36pm

He has already told the Israelis to fuck off, why shouldn't he show some Muslim Brotherhood Solidarity?

48 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:38pm

re: #21 Idle Drifter

The America Apology Tour continues....

Maybe he can do a power point presentation of the enhanced interrogation photos. That would be a nice touch in Egypt.

49 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:51pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

100%.

They better speed up the slaughter of those pigs, as well.

Won't be a word about the oppression of Copts.

Won't be a word about the discrimination and racism against black Sudanese living in Egypt, that surpasses Jim Crow.

Won't be a word about Egypt shooting on site Sudanese refugess escaping TO ISRAEL.

Won't be walking on water in Israel.

Won't be in Cairo.

The list goes on and on.

I wonder if he got the go ahead from the Saudis. THEY think THEY are the leaders of the Arab "world."

RABID ANTI-SEMITISM IN STATE CONTROLLED EGYPTIAN PRESS.

50 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #37 MJ

Anyone know if Obama will bother visiting Israel as long as he's in the neighborhood?

Gaza more likely...

51 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:18:59pm

re: #25 baier

You keep reacting as if Obama should care about the impact of this upon Israel or other longstanding allies in the region. He isn't dumb. He just doesn't care.

52 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:09pm

re: #28 Ben Hur

Exactly what he plans on doing. Dresden. He'll speak about German suffering.

Is he going to visit the concentration camps to apologize for all the work the Jews made the Germans do to kill them?
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53 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:13pm
54 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:14pm

re: #5 MJ

Gist of talk by Obama to Muslims:

"Israel sucks".

And we are so sorry for - uh - all our transgressions, alleged or - um - otherwise for the past -uh- 1400 years, perceived or imaginary -ah- that we may or may not have - you know- perpetrated on you.

55 Ben Hur  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:27pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately homegrown democracy doesn't work well in the Muslim world. Pakistan's experiment with returning to democracy doesn't look like it's going to last long. Egypt wouldn't fare much better.


Because they get no help.

Tie food and economic aid to human rights ala Sharansky.

BBL.

56 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:41pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

We still send Egypt wheat, for G-d's sake.

Heaven forbid that we use domestic wheat for domestic consumption.

57 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:46pm

He just can't stop campaigning, can he? He went to Europe to campaign for TOTUS, and now he seems determined to spend more time in the Islamic Crescent than he does in D.C.

Eventually, of course, he'll even stop making speeches on TV here in the U.S. After Congress passes a law requiring every American to follow him on Twitter 24/7/365.

Actually, we don't need to hear any more speeches from him, because now we understand perfectly exactly what drives him.

When we complain that he is degrading our friends and exalting our enemies, he just smiles, walks across the water again, and says;

Surely, by now you must understand that your friends, and mine, are two entirely different groups. And I don't particularly like yours. And don't forget, I Won.

cheers

eon

58 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:19:59pm

I continue to wonder what BO was up to in his college days...just what was he studying?....this will be one speech I'll want to read....who will he knife next?

59 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:20:21pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

The Egyptians will serve Obama pork chops, no doubt!

60 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:20:32pm

re: #37 MJ

Wolf Blitzer on CNN noted that there is (at the present time) no mention of a visit to Israel. But Blitzer suggested that Obama's itinerary could change (so as to include a stop-over in Israel)...but right,now, there is nothing about a stay/stopover in Israel.

61 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:20:40pm

re: #1 Honorary Yooper

I sincerely hope he keeps it simple. However, based on his prior performances, I suspect he'll do something stupid.

"Ich bin ein suicide bomber" (followed by a roaring standing ovation)

62 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:20:52pm

re: #24 albusteve

Muslim wannabee

I don't have a problem with Muslims in general. I do have a problem with the President of the United States of America telling select parts of the world what they want to hear and telling long time allies and possible new allies they're on their own.

63 MJ  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #50 brookly red

Gaza more likely...

Yeah, you're probably right. Then he can deliver his famous address:

"Netanyahu! Tear down this Wall"! ( and let the suicide bombers in ).

64 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #50 brookly red

Gaza more likely...

give them some tunnel improvement funds....shoring, pumps etc

65 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:21:17pm

Perhaps the Egyptians will present a new Sphinx in the likeness of the One.

66 Jack Burton  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:21:36pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Obama has given more speeches to "The People" of other countries than any other US President has ever.

*waves* Hey over here Mr. President, yes... the country that for better or worse elected you is calling. We got some ugly money related problems we need sorting out. Could you stop playing president of the United Federation of Planets for a little while, kplzthx.

67 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:21:59pm

I see the hot Muslim girl is back. I missed her.

68 nikis-knight  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:03pm

re: #46 capitalist piglet

Anti-Christian bigoty is "in". Christian is evil, up is down, light is darkness.

I think you should ask him if he thinks Obama is a Christian, since he says he is. Then state the obvious.


Obama gets a pass for claiming postions that the left otherwise mercilessly mocks as vile intolerance, such as opposing gay marriage.
They must think he doesn't really mean it.
I'm sure he is really a Christian, but I think he takes loving enemies a bit to far...

69 Gang of One  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:07pm

re: #46 capitalist piglet

Anti-Christian bigoty is "in". Christian is evil, up is down, light is darkness.

I think you should ask him if he thinks Obama is a Christian, since he says he is. Then state the obvious.

We've had many a donnybrook over his ingesting/regurgitating of the MSM LLL talking points. What I can never understand is that my bro is a biznez guy -- earns good coin, voted for Calderon [he does live in Mexico] but falls for the messianic mojo crap being disseminated by the usual suspects. It is to throw the hands up in despair ...

70 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #65 opnion

Perhaps the Egyptians will present a new Sphinx in the likeness of the One.

photoshop!

71 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:17pm

re: #60 J.S.

Wolf Blitzer on CNN noted that there is (at the present time) no mention of a visit to Israel. But Blitzer suggested that Obama's itinerary could change (so as to include a stop-over in Israel)...but right,now, there is nothing about a stay/stopover in Israel.

He'll stop in Israel if Netanyahu agrees to creating a Paliterrorist state.
Otherwise, he's going to shun the Israeli government.
But maybe he'll meet Abbas and Meshaal.

72 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #52 Kosh's Shadow

Is he going to visit the concentration camps to apologize for all the work the Jews made the Germans do to kill them?
//////

No, he's going to express his outrage at how the Israelis are currently concentration camping all the Palestinians.
/ebs
(extremely bitter sarcasm)

73 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:23pm

re: #49 Ben Hur

RABID ANTI-SEMITISM IN STATE CONTROLLED EGYPTIAN PRESS.

And this is surprising... how?

cheers

eon

74 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:24pm

re: #53 Iron Fist

I at least try to hope that he isn't really trying to fuck the world up just for the amusement value of it. I may be wrong about that, though. It is at times difficult to keep that pretense up.

Well if you were trying to F'things up exactly what would you do differently?

75 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:30pm

Obama is flirting with disaster

76 Abu Lahab  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:30pm

What a choice! The country that persecutes the Copts, and other minorities, and treat them like second-class citizens, the country whose president is preparing his son to become the next president and the country whose religious leaders always entertain the world with the weirdest fatwas ever. I can not think of a better choice!
Will Obama meet this Egyptian "lawyer" that called for the sexual harassment of Jewish girls? and that went unnoticed and no one uttered a word in Egypt?

This is such a crazy choice. I feel sorry for every dissents in Egypt.

77 Baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:45pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately homegrown democracy doesn't work well in the Muslim world. Pakistan's experiment with returning to democracy doesn't look like it's going to last long. Egypt wouldn't fare much better.

Democracy's failure has nothing to do with people being Muslims.

78 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:54pm

The reason it was so difficult is that the entire Musoim world is rife with dictatorships and thugocracies.

This, by the way, was the the original meaning of the word "Islamofascism," as coined by Malise Ruthven. It meant that countries with a Muslim majority tend to slip into totalitarianism because the underlying religious mindset of Islam is similar to political fascism, so people are open to the idea -- in fact, they prefer it. The term did not refer to extreme Islam as a fascist movement.

Of course, by speaking from Egypt, Obama will be giving his stamp of approval to the thugocracy there. Par for the course.

The Obama administration, in its budget released this week, has already loosened restrictions imposed by Bush to ensure some U.S. aid went to democracy groups not approved by the Egyptian authorities.

Because everyone knows it's much more important to give American taxpayer money to pro-fascist groups!

79 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:22:56pm

re: #65 opnion

Perhaps the Egyptians will present a new Sphinx in the likeness of the One.

When can we expect the photos of Air Force One flying over the pyramids at Giza to be released?

80 doppelganglander  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:23:04pm

re: #57 eon

The new TV Guide says that the networks have lost $30 million by covering his campaign appearances speeches and press conferences in prime time. Fox got wise this last time; I expect the other networks will as well. Dollars trump ideology every time.

81 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:23:08pm
82 Elcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:23:09pm

Damn! Lost that bet...I thought Obama would fly directly to the Swat Valley Region in Talibistan to speak.

83 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:23:16pm

re: #62 Idle Drifter

I don't have a problem with Muslims in general. I do have a problem with the President of the United States of America telling select parts of the world what they want to hear and telling long time allies and possible new allies they're on their own.

he'll be speaking to the 10%

84 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:01pm

re: #22 brookly red

All snarking aside, I got a really bad feeling about this.

I read that the US will not support the joint strike fighter the Israelis have thereby leaving them without this asset. Course with the 10 year Hudna coming up, they won't need it.

85 Gang of One  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:19pm

re: #75 Gella

Obama is flirting with disaster

Obama is the disaster.

86 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:30pm

re: #68 nikis-knight

Obama gets a pass for claiming postions that the left otherwise mercilessly mocks as vile intolerance, such as opposing gay marriage.
They must think he doesn't really mean it.
I'm sure he is really a Christian, but I think he takes loving enemies a bit to far...

He sends unmaned drones to "air raid" pakistani areas with lots of civilian collateral damage. The Left called Bush a criminal, but I guess BHO is just a freedom fighter

87 Rancher  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:39pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately homegrown democracy doesn't work well in the Muslim world. Pakistan's experiment with returning to democracy doesn't look like it's going to last long. Egypt wouldn't fare much better.

Pakistan's civilian governments have never had control over the military therefore they never had a chance. They still don't.

88 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:41pm

re: #75 Gella

Obama is flirting with disaster

He's gone beyond flirting and has already sent disaster a couple of drinks.

89 HelloDare  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:54pm

Word has it that Obama's teleprompter will be disguised by having it wear a burka.

90 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:24:56pm

re: #75 Gella

Obama is flirting with disaster

Flirting? He's made it to second base already.

91 MacDuff  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:01pm

re: #59 quickjustice

The Egyptians will serve Obama pork chops, no doubt!

They've already made perparations.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:12pm

re: #57 eon

He just can't stop campaigning, can he? He went to Europe to campaign for TOTUS, and now he seems determined to spend more time in the Islamic Crescent than he does in D.C.

Eventually, of course, he'll even stop making speeches on TV here in the U.S. After Congress passes a law requiring every American to follow him on Twitter 24/7/365.

Actually, we don't need to hear any more speeches from him, because now we understand perfectly exactly what drives him.

When we complain that he is degrading our friends and exalting our enemies, he just smiles, walks across the water again, and says;

Surely, by now you must understand that your friends, and mine, are two entirely different groups. And I don't particularly like yours. And don't forget, I Won.

cheers

eon

The man knows no other way of existence than campaigning. To lead is not in his DNA.

93 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:24pm

re: #88 Kosh's Shadow

hey i was trying to be polite here

94 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:32pm
95 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:46pm

re: #67 kansas

I see the hot Muslim girl is back. I missed her.

GoogleAds is a plot to get anti-idiotarians hooked up with lonely lovely Muslim ladies. Heads will be exploding from here to Tora Bora.

96 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:55pm

re: #85 Gang of One

Obama is the disaster.

man made disaster. "spit"

97 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:25:59pm

re: #80 doppelganglander

The new TV Guide says that the networks have lost $30 million by covering his campaign appearances speeches and press conferences in prime time. Fox got wise this last time; I expect the other networks will as well. Dollars trump ideology every time.

So much for their campaign-season bet that he needed to be elected so that he would save their ratings.

Put on your masks and animal skins, it's the Obama and Media Resurrection Show!

98 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #70 albusteve

photoshop!

It would be a beautiful thing. I wonder if he'll have the guys from St. Louis fly over to make Halal Chicago pizza.

99 nikis-knight  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:20pm

re: #88 Kosh's Shadow

He's gone beyond flirting and has already sent disaster a couple of drinks.

re: #90 CyanSnowHawk

Flirting? He's made it to second base already.


Wow, he moves quick! Flirting to second base in 2 posts...

100 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:26pm

re: #83 albusteve

he'll be speaking to the 10%

Oh $#*T! The 10% rule.

101 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:26pm
102 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #85 Gang of One

Obama is the disaster.

so he is flirting with himself, right? what am i missing?

103 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:31pm

I don't mean to get all religious like but:

The Palestinian city of Megiddo, located on a pass commanding a road connecting Egypt and Syria, was probably chosen as a symbol for such a battle, because it had been the scene of many military encounters owing to its strategic location. (Megiddo was also the site of a crucial battle in 1918 during the First World War and lent its name to the victor: Lord Allenby of Megiddo.) The term Armageddon has often been used by Protestant fundamentalists to refer to an impending cataclysmic struggle between the forces of good and evil. (See apocalyptic literature.) It has also been used figuratively, often by peace activists, to describe a possible nuclear world war.

Could the meeting be somewhere on a road between Egypt and Syria?/
My Sparmageddon is a term I use for "fighting back verbally with facts".

104 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:26:39pm

re: #84 kansas

I read that the US will not support the joint strike fighter the Israelis have thereby leaving them without this asset. Course with the 10 year Hudna coming up, they won't need it.

Actually, the US will sell Israel the F-35, but won't give Israel the specs to maintain the computer, thus making it impossible for them to put their own weapons on the plane, and leaving them vulnerable in the case of an arms boycott.

105 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:27:26pm

re: #91 MacDuff

They've already made perparations.

Preparation H(osni)

106 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:27:31pm

re: #101 Iron Fist

Drinks? He's strapping on his full-body environmental condom...

Reminds me of the scene from The Naked Gun for some reason. :-)

107 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:27:38pm

re: #93 Gella

hey i was trying to be polite here

Polite is for someone you may have disagreements with but ultimately has America's best interests at heart. O only wants America destroyed and remade in his image.

108 Gang of One  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:27:57pm

re: #102 Gella

so he is flirting with himself, right? what am i missing?

It's that malignant narcissism thing. It's all about him.

109 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:28:07pm

re: #104 Kosh's Shadow

I read that it was the computer they wouldn't support but didn't quite get beyond that. Thanks for the clarification. Still kind of fucked up thought, right?

110 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:28:09pm
111 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:28:13pm

re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans

Polite is for someone you may have disagreements with but ultimately has America's best interests at heart. O only wants America destroyed and remade in his image.

i am ready to start singing back to USSR

112 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:28:31pm

re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans

Polite is for someone you may have disagreements with but ultimately has America's best interests at heart. O only wants America destroyed and remade in his image.

six months ago you would have been laughed out of the house...I was

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:28:41pm

re: #95 zombie

GoogleAds is a plot to get anti-idiotarians hooked up with lonely lovely Muslim ladies. Heads will be exploding from here to Tora Bora.

Could we have a Polynesia thread, so we could get some Bora Bora girls?

114 Dave the.....  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:29:01pm

Text of his speech on D-Day.

"Don't blame me for something that occured 12 years before I was born".

115 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:29:38pm

re: #94 Iron Fist

It is hard to come up with something. Even though he is President, he can't just nuke random targets or, for that matter, invade any country in the world that he likes. Siding with the Mohammedans against Israel is a pretty big thing to me.

/don't worry, I am sure he will honor the defense treaty we have with Israel.

116 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:29:52pm

Looks to me like Israel no longer has that "Special" relationship under this administration.
Their enemies will get bolder & bolder.

117 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:30:34pm

HuffPo is on Wolf Blitzer's program -- discussing Obama's "new relationship" with the Arab world -- yeah, that figures, given the HuffPo's vile antisemitism at said website...

118 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:30:37pm

re: #109 kansas

I read that it was the computer they wouldn't support but didn't quite get beyond that. Thanks for the clarification. Still kind of fucked up thought, right?

The articles only talk about repair, which is the problem with an arms boycott.
But Israel has always improved the aircraft they buy from the US, and many of those improvements find their way back to the US. We're making that impossible with the F-35. And they make (and export) their own missiles and radar; no way to put those on an F-35 with its integrated computer systems unless you can modify the computers.

119 Eowyn2  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:30:56pm

I havent read all 100+ posts so forgive me if my question has already been asked.

What the hell was wrong with Damascus?
Its the road to peace!~!

/////////////////////////

120 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:31:06pm

I would like to take this occasion to apologize to the Muslim world for the 60 years we have mistakenly supported Israel......


/TOTUS

121 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:31:35pm

re: #116 opnion

Looks to me like Israel no longer has that "Special" relationship under this administration.
Their enemies will get bolder & bolder.

I hear Michelle channeling the Church Lady: Well, isn't that special.

122 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:31:40pm

re: #104 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, the US will sell Israel the F-35, but won't give Israel the specs to maintain the computer, thus making it impossible for them to put their own weapons on the plane, and leaving them vulnerable in the case of an arms boycott.

Would that mean the US would maintain control of what targets got attacked?

I don't know much about this, but I think I read something recently about some terrorist who got a hold of an American surface to air missile, and tried to use it against an Israeli plane, but it wouldn't work, because the missile identified the plane as friendly.

123 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:02pm

My Father in-law is Jewish and he is one of the 3 million or so that voted for the ONE. I have tried to have some conversations with him but I don't get far but I do get a hint of buyers remorse from him.

124 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:02pm

She (the HuffHo) is oohing and ahing about da love and reaching out to hug Iran...

125 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:05pm

re: #114 Dave the.....

Text of his speech on D-Day.

"Don't blame me for something that occured 12 years before I was born".

No, it'll be:

"American interventionism is good when it's done by a Democratic president, but bad when done by a Republican president. You're lucky Wendell Willkie didn't win in 1940, or you'd all be speaking German!"

126 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:10pm
127 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:14pm

re: #121 Kosh's Shadow

I hear Michelle channeling the Church Lady: Well, isn't that special.

thanks, i almost fell out of my chair LOOOL

128 BLBfootballs  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:39pm

I'm sure Egyptians are relieved to know that the President of the world's most powerful country no longer cares about their freedom.

129 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #123 Sparmageddon

My Father in-law is Jewish and he is one of the 3 million or so that voted for the ONE. I have tried to have some conversations with him but I don't get far but I do get a hint of buyers remorse from him.

ya, some jews consider zero one of the jews, which as a jew i dont get at all

130 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:32:57pm

Like I said in the last thread, I bet he claims that the Pyramids were built by the muslims.

131 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #114 Dave the.....

Text of his speech on D-Day.

"Don't blame me for something that occured 12 years before I was born".

Gettysburg Address Ala Obama.
Four score and seven years ago, many years before I was born, our forefathers brought forth upon this continent, one that was formed an even longer time before I was born, a new nation, conceived in liberty, an ideal that I haven't quite accepted, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, as long as they are in unions or belong to ACORN.

132 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:33:11pm
133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:33:15pm

re: #112 albusteve

six months ago you would have been laughed out of the house...I was

I am used to being laughed at for many reasons besides my political opinion, but laughter for not being a full-on moonbat here in the Great NorthWet is part of living here.

134 Baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:33:39pm

re: #120 jcm

I would like to take this occasion to apologize to the Muslim world for the 60 years we have mistakenly supported Israel......

/TOTUS

60 years? Not quite. The US hasn't always been a great friend of Israel.

135 Abu Lahab  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:33:52pm

Obama administration renews sanctions on Syria
But then he will address the Muslim world from Egypt. Why not Saudi?! It's an oasis for religious freedom after all

136 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:34:08pm

re: #125 zombie

No, it'll be:

"American interventionism is good when it's done by a Democratic president, but bad when done by a Republican president. You're lucky Wendell Willkie didn't win in 1940, or you'd all be speaking German!"

Which is absurd when one considers that it was Willkie who finally got the Republicans off their isolationism, and then proceeded to help Roosevelt for the war effort.

137 BLBfootballs  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:34:19pm

re: #131 kansas

Gettysburg Address Ala Obama.
Four score and seven years ago, many years before I was born, our forefathers brought forth upon this continent, one that was formed an even longer time before I was born, a new nation, conceived in liberty, an ideal that I haven't quite accepted, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, as long as they are in unions or belong to ACORN.

"Four score and seven years ago, a Pharaoh named Hosni took over your country. And it doesn't bother me one bit. How 'bout y'all?"

138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:34:37pm

re: #125 zombie

No, it'll be:

"American interventionism is good when it's done by a Democratic president, but bad when done by a Republican president. You're lucky Wendell Willkie didn't win in 1940, or you'd all be speaking German!"

Complete aside, how could anyone nominate a guy named Wendell to run for President? Was the GOP just throwing in the towel in '44?

139 Dave the.....  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:34:48pm

BLB

I'm sure Egyptians are relieved to know that the President of the world's most powerful country no longer cares about their freedom.

You read so much about those living in oppressed countries, and how they were motivated by the speeches and actions of American Presidents. To fight for freedom. Those days are temporarily gone.

140 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:03pm

re: #130 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Like I said in the last thread, I bet he claims that the Pyramids were built by the muslims.

just the secret tunnels

141 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:15pm

I am surprised that the Secret Service is OK with this.

142 capitalist piglet  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:21pm

re: #88 Kosh's Shadow

He's gone beyond flirting and has already sent disaster a couple of drinks.

If that isn't comment of the day...

143 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:27pm

re: #77 Baier

Democracy's failure has nothing to do with people being Muslims.

Really?

144 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:28pm

re: #124 J.S.

She (the HuffHo) is oohing and ahing about da love and reaching out to hug Iran...

Speaking of that bastion of human rights has anyone posted this article from the Chicago Tribune yet? It may be old news but:

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran has hanged a young woman who was convicted of murder when she was a minor, her lawyer said Saturday, drawing condemnation from international human rights groups who have sought to end capital punishment for juvenile offenders.

145 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:50pm

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am used to being laughed at for many reasons besides my political opinion, but laughter for not being a full-on moonbat here in the Great NorthWet is part of living here.

I live in old blue dog ABQ....still I always believe the absolute worst about BO...nothing he and Congress does surprises me....I'm conspiratorial like that

146 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:35:52pm
147 Baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:36:00pm

re: #143 unrealizedviewpoint

Really?

Yep.

148 formercorpsman  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:36:05pm

One thing about this whole subject just keeps coming back to me.

Why does he feel the need to address the "muslim world" to begin with?

We already have diplomatic relations with numerous goverments in muslim nations.

I know I am not really putting the words to this, in the way that I feel about it. Addressing "muslims" is addressing the adherents of a religion. Over and above citizens of a particular nation, or region for that matter.

I would love some real opinion if anyone has any.

149 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Complete aside, how could anyone nominate a guy named Wendell to run for President? Was the GOP just throwing in the towel in '44?

I thought the Dems were mailing it in with Barack Hussein.

150 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:36:07pm
"Steps for a peace seeking nation to take to reduce the probability of war therefore include (1) more influence for the intellectually or morally advanced portions of the population, (2) better communications between potential enemies, (3) a muting of militant rhetoric, (4) a restraint on armament production or military alliances, either which might produce escalating counter-measures, (5) a de-emphasis of nationalism or patriotism, and (6) negotiating outstanding differences with potential adversaries as a means of reducing possible causes of war."

-Thomas Sowell

I think 0bama will follow this to a tee.

151 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:36:54pm

re: #141 brookly red

I am surprised that the Secret Service is OK with this.

getting closer....

152 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:00pm

re: #124 J.S.

She (the HuffHo) is oohing and ahing about da love and reaching out to hug Iran...

This must be before Iran stabs the knife in the hugger's back.

153 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:07pm

Didn't he already apologize to Muslims in Turkey?

/I wonder if TOTUS will thank Mubarak for all the proxy torture (the real kind) that Egypt has done on our behalf as part of the rendition programs

154 MJ  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:09pm

re: #135 Abu Lahab

Obama administration renews sanctions on Syria
But then he will address the Muslim world from Egypt. Why not Saudi?! It's an oasis for religious freedom after all

Don't get too excited about the sanctions.
Here's what State said about that today:

QUESTION: So on one hand, you’re asking them to play a positive role. But for them, what they see you doing is imposing what – is continuing sanctions on them. I mean, what --


MR. WOOD: Well, the sanctions are the law, and the President is required to report on them (inaudible) basis to Congress.


In other words, he was required to it by Congress.

155 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:17pm

re: #120 jcm

I would like to take this occasion to apologize to the Muslim world for the 60 years we have mistakenly supported Israel......

/TOTUS

I also apologize for our fighting against the Barbary "pirates" in the 19th-Century. Bad America! Bad America!

156 Dave the.....  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:24pm

Yooper

Which is absurd when one considers that it was Willkie who finally got the Republicans off their isolationism, and then proceeded to help Roosevelt for the war effort.

You must read the book on the 1940 election. Covers that quite well. Republicans were isolationists. But here's something peace freaks won't admit. Roosevelt was a liar and lawbreaker in 1940. He said he was for peace and would obey all neutrality laws. But he had already met with Chruchill and made plans for America's entry in the war. And later when Briton had no money to buy arms from us, he "loaned" the destroyers since US law forbide aid. Of course most of us here support Roosevelt's actions.

157 Eowyn2  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:29pm

re: #103 Sparmageddon

I don't mean to get all religious like but:


Could the meeting be somewhere on a road between Egypt and Syria?/
My Sparmageddon is a term I use for "fighting back verbally with facts".


There was a young woman from megiddo
who had an overactive libido
............

158 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:29pm

re: #138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Complete aside, how could anyone nominate a guy named Wendell to run for President? Was the GOP just throwing in the towel in '44?

There have been stranger names. Remember a guy named "Millard", or that dude by the name of "Ulysses"? Or even a guy by the name of "Barack"? Willkie came close, but Roosevelt had changed his focus to the war from the economy. Which, in retrospect was a good thing (for both the economy and the war effort).

159 zombie  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:39pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

-Thomas Sowell

I think 0bama will follow this to a tee.

With the emphasis on "(5) a de-emphasis of nationalism or patriotism."

160 ashan  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:37:43pm

Maybe Netanyahu can unleash the attack on Iran during Hussein's Muslim love fest speech. Talk about upstaging.

161 HelloDare  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:38:03pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

-Thomas Sowell

I think 0bama will follow this to a tee.

Are you running low on sarc tags? Here, take some of mine. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

162 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:38:36pm

re: #154 MJ

Don't get too excited about the sanctions.
Here's what State said about that today:

QUESTION: So on one hand, you’re asking them to play a positive role. But for them, what they see you doing is imposing what – is continuing sanctions on them. I mean, what --

MR. WOOD: Well, the sanctions are the law, and the President is required to report on them (inaudible) basis to Congress.

In other words, he was required to it by Congress.

And with the current makeup of Congress being what it is, maybe soon he can expect such requirements to be legislated away.

163 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:38:44pm

re: #146 Iron Fist

I like the Hellfly. I keep meaning to get a good pair of script glasses. I had a nice pair of Ray-bans, but I lost them. Wah :-(

I bet you are one spooky mfr

164 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:39:29pm

re: #159 zombie

With the emphasis on "(5) a de-emphasis of nationalism or patriotism."

No. It will be (4) a restraint on armament production or military alliances, either which might produce escalating counter-measures in conjunction with (2) better communications between potential enemies.

We want to talk to iran and throw Israel under the bus already. 0bama has increased patriotism on the left.

165 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:39:53pm
166 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:40:14pm

re: #150 Sharmuta
"Steps for a peace seeking nation to take to reduce the probability of war therefore include (1) more influence for the intellectually or morally advanced portions of the population, (2) better communications between potential enemies, (3) a muting of militant rhetoric, (4) a restraint on armament production or military alliances, either which might produce escalating counter-measures, (5) a de-emphasis of nationalism or patriotism, and (6) negotiating outstanding differences with potential adversaries as a means of reducing possible causes of war."

-Thomas Sowell

I think 0bama will follow this to a tee.

Which nation is the peace seeking nation?

167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:40:38pm

re: #158 Honorary Yooper

There have been stranger names. Remember a guy named "Millard", or that dude by the name of "Ulysses"? Or even a guy by the name of "Barack"? Willkie came close, but Roosevelt had changed his focus to the war from the economy. Which, in retrospect was a good thing (for both the economy and the war effort).

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

168 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:40:45pm

re: #148 formercorpsman

CNN played a clip of Obama in Turkey (addressing the Turkish parliament), and the gist of Obama's "need" to go cap in hand to the Muslim world is to apologize for the Bush Administration. Obama needs to bow to Saudis and scrape up to Mubarak and ask/beg for forgiveness due to George Bush's presumed hatred of the Islamic world. Obama wants to reassure them that he "loves them -- yes, he does! he really, really, loves them!"

169 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:08pm

re: #147 Baier

Yep.

You've been here since 2004 and you can make a statement like:

Democracy's failure has nothing to do with people being Muslims.

Anything else you care to add?

170 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:18pm

re: #121 Kosh's Shadow

I hear Michelle channeling the Church Lady: Well, isn't that special.

They are acting the way that I thought they would.
BHO tod us who he is & I hate hearing some of his remorseful voters say, "But I didn't know."

171 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:18pm
172 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #104 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, the US will sell Israel the F-35, but won't give Israel the specs to maintain the computer, thus making it impossible for them to put their own weapons on the plane, and leaving them vulnerable in the case of an arms boycott.

I actually hope The One and his minions do try that trick. The French tried it in the late Sixties, embargoing tech support, parts, etc., for the AMD Mirage III/V. The result was to jumpstart Israel Aircraft Industries from building cropdusters and rebuilding second-hand business jets (Jet Commanders) to designing and producing first the Nesher (Dagger), a copy of the Mirage III, and then the Kfir (Young Lion), a product-improved Mirage III that used the same J-79 engine as the F-4 Phantom II. When Jimmy Carter embargoed transfer of F-16 components to Israel a decade later, IAI developed the Lavi (Lion Cub), a multirole jet that was good enough that after Reagan lifted the embargo (so General Dynamics wouldn't lose business), the PRC bought the data, and now is building their own improved version for their own air force.

If The One pulls the same kind of stunt, I expect Israel will respond the same way. Which means that the IDF/AF will probably end up with an F-35 variant better than anything we'll have flying.

/it will be amusing to watch The One, and Hillary, simultaneously stewing and throwing tantrums as a result.

cheers

eon

173 doppelganglander  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

Actually, I think it stands for Simpson. Harry S Truman's middle name was S and is properly written without a period.

174 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:31pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

Just as the "S" in Harry Truman's name. It was also just an "S".

175 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:36pm

re: #129 Gella

ya, some jews consider zero one of the jews, which as a jew i dont get at all

Here's Obama's "Jewish Americans for Obama" campaign video. If I recall correctly, one of the piece of shit Jews in this video says about Obama "he has a Yiddisch Neschume" (i.e. a "Jewish Soul").

Warning: think long and hard before you actually watch this video. I haven't looked at it for months, and I still literally have nightmares about it. As an American Jew, it caused a deep and painful wound in my sense of identity that has yet to heal. Not kidding.

176 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:44pm

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

BTW, the Muslima ad is back. I'm not clicking on it, though

Oh come on. Dare ,dare!//

177 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:41:56pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

It kept his critics from snickering at his initials. HUG.

178 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:42:22pm

re: #165 Iron Fist

Oh! The quote above is of the unconstrained vision. The constrained vision sees matters of war much differently. The constrained vision sees wars as an inevitable flaw in human nature, and the best way to prevent them is a strong offense strategy.

179 Baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:42:24pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

Not true. Both of his grandparents had first names that started with 'S' so he was given the 'S' in honor of both of them.

180 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:42:30pm

re: #166 kansas


Which nation is the peace seeking nation?

We are. Peace through appeasement & surrender.

181 doppelganglander  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:10pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

Wikipedia agrees with you.

182 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:17pm

Democracy's failure has nothing to do with people being Muslims.

Democracy's failure in the Muslim world has nothing to do with Muslims? WTF does it have to do with then?

183 Shr_Nfr  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:44pm

Now take our president, please. Gaffin' Joe can't be worse.

184 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:50pm

re: #122 Last Mohican

Would that mean the US would maintain control of what targets got attacked?

I don't know much about this, but I think I read something recently about some terrorist who got a hold of an American surface to air missile, and tried to use it against an Israeli plane, but it wouldn't work, because the missile identified the plane as friendly.

It could prevent the aircraft from firing on a plane that sent the right IFF (Identification Friend or Foe), which is what you were talking about. So if the US sold an Arab country F-35's, NEITHER could fire on each other.

185 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #173 doppelganglander

Actually, I think it stands for Simpson. Harry S Truman's middle name was S and is properly written without a period.

According to Wiki, Grant's S stands for nothing. It was erroneously given to him in his West Point nomination.

At the age of 17, Grant entered the United States Military Academy (USMA) at West Point, New York, after securing a nomination through his U.S. Congressman, Thomas L. Hamer, who erroneously nominated him as "Ulysses S. Grant of Ohio."[7] Grant adopted the form of his new name with middle initial only.[8] Because "U.S." also stands for "Uncle Sam," Grant's nickname became "Sam" among his army colleagues.

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #149 kansas

I thought the Dems were mailing it in with Barack Hussein.

Oh, ye of little faith! ;)

The thing is that ANY mention of Hussein was considered gauche. Bring it up and get called a racist. Even McCain bought into it. Bring it up and get called a racist.

187 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:43:56pm

re: #175 Last Mohican

Here's Obama's "Jewish Americans for Obama" campaign video. If I recall correctly, one of the piece of shit Jews in this video says about Obama "he has a Yiddisch Neschume" (i.e. a "Jewish Soul").

Warning: think long and hard before you actually watch this video. I haven't looked at it for months, and I still literally have nightmares about it. As an American Jew, it caused a deep and painful wound in my sense of identity that has yet to heal. Not kidding.

can be frank with you? i dont want to watch it, i don't think he has Jewish soul, but according to some Michelle has Jewish uncle, which as u know, by blood line doesnt make him jew at all

188 Baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:44:00pm

re: #169 unrealizedviewpoint

Anything else you care to add?

What would you like me to add? I don't understand what you want me to explain about my opinion. If you want to attack me personally, as you have many times in the past, go ahead.

189 jill e  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:44:09pm

He's a righteous dude!

190 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:44:29pm
Hosni is relieved he won’t have to put up with any more of that annoying “democracy” talk.

There is an arrogance in Democrat thinking that only those with the proper education dare attempt democracy. The rest of us get to be told what to do. By whom does not seem to matter too much.

191 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:45:02pm

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am used to being laughed at for many reasons besides my political opinion, but laughter for not being a full-on moonbat here in the Great NorthWet is part of living here.

Liquid sunshine? WA, right? what's your zip if you don't mind saying?

192 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:45:21pm

re: #186 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, ye of little faith! ;)

The thing is that ANY mention of Hussein was considered gauche. Bring it up and get called a racist. Even McCain bought into it. Bring it up and get called a racist.

McCain. Now that brings back a bad memory.

193 Shr_Nfr  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:46:07pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oddly enough, Hoover and FDR came close to running on the same ticket. When Hoover decided he would join the Republican party that put an end to that idea.

194 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #175 Last Mohican

Here's Obama's "Jewish Americans for Obama" campaign video. If I recall correctly, one of the piece of shit Jews in this video says about Obama "he has a Yiddisch Neschume" (i.e. a "Jewish Soul").

Warning: think long and hard before you actually watch this video. I haven't looked at it for months, and I still literally have nightmares about it. As an American Jew, it caused a deep and painful wound in my sense of identity that has yet to heal. Not kidding.

He actually told a Jewish group, I think that it was in Chicago that his first name was from the Hebrew. It is from the Arabic & of course was after his father. Never mind, noone really called him on it.

195 jcm  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:46:46pm

re: #134 Baier

60 years? Not quite. The US hasn't always been a great friend of Israel.

I'm counting on TOTUS' historical ignorance......

196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:46:53pm

re: #172 eon

I actually hope The One and his minions do try that trick. The French tried it in the late Sixties, embargoing tech support, parts, etc., for the AMD Mirage III/V. The result was to jumpstart Israel Aircraft Industries from building cropdusters and rebuilding second-hand business jets (Jet Commanders) to designing and producing first the Nesher (Dagger), a copy of the Mirage III, and then the Kfir (Young Lion), a product-improved Mirage III that used the same J-79 engine as the F-4 Phantom II.

Which the South Africans further developed into the Cheetah.

197 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #192 kansas

McCain. Now that brings back a bad memory.

Will McCain be able?

198 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:47:45pm
199 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:47:48pm

re: #197 AuntAcid

Will McCain be able?

?

200 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:48:03pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

-"Steps for a peace seeking nation to take to reduce the probability of war therefore include
(1) more influence for the intellectually or morally advanced portions of the population;
(2) better communications between potential enemies;
(3) a muting of militant rhetoric;
(4) a restraint on armament production or military alliances, either which might produce escalating counter-measures;
(5) a de-emphasis of nationalism or patriotism, and;
(6) negotiating outstanding differences with potential adversaries as a means of reducing possible causes of war."

Let me put that into plain-speak.

1. Be prepared to bribe the monied-class of the target nation;
2. Surrender the moral high ground and appear weak before your ideological nemesis;
3. sound and look weak;
4. actually weaken yourself;
5. surrender the principles upon which this nation was founded;
6. oh hell, just surrender.

201 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:48:25pm

re: #25 baier

Does Obama realize the message he is sending to those fighting for democracy throughout the world? First the Chavez meeting and now this...this is just disheartening. Not to mention the message it sends to Israel.
The hill our shining city is built on is eroding.

I am not sure he does.

202 J.S.  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:48:36pm

btw, the Obama's scraping and bowing to the Muslims doesn't do much for the "journalists" (the CBC America haters) up here in Canada. What they'll do is play a tape about how many innocent Pakistanis/Afghans, etc, were bombed by Obama...(remember that video of the Taliban carting around the bodies of dead children/cilivians it claimed was the result of a U.S. air-strike? -- yeah, that's what's played here).

203 freetoken  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:48:50pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

Sowell has a point, though I think he divides "constrained" and "unconstrained" visions too cleanly (based on your descriptions of them - I haven't read the book.)

204 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:48:53pm

re: #167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Of course, Ulysses -which I think is an awesome name - wasn't Grant's first name. It was his middle name, as he hated his first name (Hiram). The "S" in "Ulysses S. Grant" stands for nothing.

You are probably thinking of Harry S Truman, even though Grant was renamed through a Congressional appointment screw-up.

205 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:48:55pm

re: #194 opnion

He actually told a Jewish group, I think that it was in Chicago that his first name was from the Hebrew. It is from the Arabic & of course was after his father. Never mind, noone really called him on it.

so? most Hebrew names considered Biblical this days, still doesn't make u Jewish

206 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:49:03pm

just wait till the fertilizer hits the air moving device if Israel takes out the iranian nukes.

i would not be suprised if the zero breaks off relations with Israel and i expect violent anti semitism here in America.

207 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:49:04pm

re: #199 kansas

?

lame Biblical pun....Cain and Able

208 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #201 unreconstructed rebel

I am not sure he does.

He knows exactly what he is doing. He has been training for this his entire life. Just my opinion.

209 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:49:32pm

re: #196 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Which the South Africans further developed into the Cheetah.

in plural they are the Cheetoz!....get some!

210 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:50:06pm

re: #207 AuntAcid

lame Biblical pun....Cain and Able

Not lame at all. I just missed it.

211 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:50:54pm

re: #182 kansas

Democracy's failure has nothing to do with people being Muslims.

Democracy's failure in the Muslim world has nothing to do with Muslims? WTF does it have to do with then?

If Islam was compatible with demoracy , we would see more democratic states. It seems that in Islam, you are a Muslim first & your nationality second.

212 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #206 yochanan

just wait till the fertilizer hits the air moving device if Israel takes out the iranian nukes.

i would not be suprised if the zero breaks off relations with Israel and i expect violent anti semitism here in America.

yup....more fantasy disconnect and Israel knows this

213 Eowyn2  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:51:51pm

Have I missed the Friday afternoon pun thread?

214 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:52:21pm

re: #205 Gella

so? most Hebrew names considered Biblical this days, still doesn't make u Jewish

Yeah , but he was trying to sell how simpatico he is.

215 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:52:30pm

re: #175 Last Mohican

Here's Obama's "Jewish Americans for Obama" campaign video. If I recall correctly, one of the piece of shit Jews in this video says about Obama "he has a Yiddisch Neschume" (i.e. a "Jewish Soul").

Warning: think long and hard before you actually watch this video. I haven't looked at it for months, and I still literally have nightmares about it. As an American Jew, it caused a deep and painful wound in my sense of identity that has yet to heal. Not kidding.

All I can say is...oye vay (sp?)

216 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:52:44pm

re: #198 Iron Fist

Yes- it's a regrettable truth of human nature- we can be ugly. We've slowly evolved, in most societies, to be more compassionate towards each other in the context of individual rights. Where you don't see these rights protected as well as restricted as much as possible against human nature's less than savory potential for evil, you see societies that start moving towards autocracies.

217 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:52:52pm

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

What does the Muslim Brotherhood think of this?

Also, can we call him "Huseein" now?

BTW, the Muslima ad is back. I'm not clicking on it, though

Charles should show ads for JDate. That could make some heads explode when both ads are displayed on the same page.

218 Gella  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:52:58pm

re: #214 opnion

Yeah , but he was trying to sell how simpatico he is.

its lame, but it worked in some cases

219 opnion  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:52:59pm

See ya, everybody have a great weekend.

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:53:26pm

re: #193 Shr_Nfr

Oddly enough, Hoover and FDR came close to running on the same ticket. When Hoover decided he would join the Republican party that put an end to that idea.

McCain and Lieberman.

221 kansas  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:53:53pm

re: #215 Sparmageddon

All I can say is...oye vay (sp?)

Is a nickname for that Jewish name Moyevayhammed.

222 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:54:22pm

re: #188 Baier

What would you like me to add? I don't understand what you want me to explain about my opinion. If you want to attack me personally, as you have many times in the past, go ahead.

You're a victim, huh? When have I attacked you?

223 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:54:22pm

re: #213 Eowyn2

Have I missed the Friday afternoon pun thread?

re: #213 Eowyn2

Have I missed the Friday afternoon pun thread?

let's not Russian to anything

224 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:54:28pm

re: #206 yochanan

just wait till the fertilizer hits the air moving device if Israel takes out the iranian nukes.

i would not be suprised if the zero breaks off relations with Israel and i expect violent anti semitism here in America.

And yet I think the Saudis will be secretly pleased, but send a strongly worded letter (via the UN) anyway. Nothing stronger.

225 lurking faith  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:54:28pm

re: #146 Iron Fist

I like the Hellfly. I keep meaning to get a good pair of script glasses. I had a nice pair of Ray-bans, but I lost them. Wah :-(

I've always bought cheap sunglasses, so that I can abandon them as fashions change. But I like those...

226 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:54:33pm
227 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #203 freetoken

Sowell has a point, though I think he divides "constrained" and "unconstrained" visions too cleanly (based on your descriptions of them - I haven't read the book.)

You need to read the book! :) He does state there are gradations, hybrids, etc.; he does try to keep a clean division.

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:55:11pm

re: #217 Alouette

Charles should show ads for JDate. That could make some heads explode when both ads are displayed on the same page.

Charles has said before he has very little control over what the ads are, they are presented due to the content (words) percentages on lgf.

229 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:55:41pm

Have a great weekend Lizards.

230 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #156 Dave the.....

Yooper

You must read the book on the 1940 election. Covers that quite well. Republicans were isolationists. But here's something peace freaks won't admit. Roosevelt was a liar and lawbreaker in 1940. He said he was for peace and would obey all neutrality laws. But he had already met with Chruchill and made plans for America's entry in the war. And later when Briton had no money to buy arms from us, he "loaned" the destroyers since US law forbide aid. Of course most of us here support Roosevelt's actions.

Actually, under the Atlantic Treaty, we traded Great Britain fifty overage "four-stacker" destroyers (WW1 vintage) for half-a-dozen overseas bases which they deeded over to us in fee simple. In other words, we paid for actual real estate with ships we had no real use for anyway. Our remaining four-stackers (about 100) spent most of the war as APDs- high speed transports. They were redundant in their original role, but gave the Royal navy a much-needed breathing space until production of the Javelin and Onslow class DDs for convoy duty caught up with demand.)

Personally, I'd have been all in favor of just giving them the flush-deckers, but getting paid in already-existing bases came in very handy even before Pearl Harbor.

cheers

eon

231 Baier  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:55:58pm

re: #222 unrealizedviewpoint

You're a victim, huh? When have I attacked you?

Yawn...not again.

232 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:56:35pm

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

Charles has said before he has very little control over what the ads are, they are presented due to the content (words) percentages on lgf.

Well, this thread could bring the jdate ads, with all the references to Jews and flirting (although in this thread, with disaster).

Anyway, time for me to head home

233 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:56:55pm

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

Charles has said before he has very little control over what the ads are, they are presented due to the content (words) percentages on lgf.

JDate ads come from a different service and would show up on the page regardless of whatever other ads are served by the rotation.

234 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:57:21pm
235 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:58:16pm

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

Charles has said before he has very little control over what the ads are, they are presented due to the content (words) percentages on lgf.

More precisely, while he could technically specify that particular ads are not to appear on his site, he prefers to take their money for as long as they wish to keep advertising. After all, it's less money they can use elsewhere.

236 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:58:22pm

re: #82 Elcid

Obama fly into harm's way? I don't think so. To win the Presidency, Obama has to have been mentally tough, but I don't perceive him to be physically brave.

237 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 2:59:52pm

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

Well, this thread could bring the jdate ads, with all the references to Jews and flirting (although in this thread, with disaster).

Anyway, time for me to head home

I'd be happy to see a better class of business getting "pushed". The "love me, love my burka" trash just ain't mah thang. ;)

238 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:00:04pm

OT -

I've missed a lot on earlier threads because of a heavy meeting day, so I don't know if this was discussed. The report on the investigation of the boneheaded AF1 NY buzzing has a lot of nice little details, even the resignation of one guy (who should be flat out canned, not hang around for 2 more weeks) but one thing is glaringly missing: Why were city officials who were notified, ORDERED to keep it secret under threat of Federal sanctions?

Caldera Resigns

239 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:00:38pm

re: #223 AuntAcid

let's not Russian to anything

I still like the fact there was a Russian named Stalin!

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:00:51pm

re: #19 Last Mohican

True, but I don't think they're the pro-democracy opposition, are they?

True, but they're the ones who would gain control through democracy. It's one of the less tasty choices about Middle Eastern politics--do we want dictatorships, or democratically elected religious fanatics (who will then proceed to crush their opposition)? Iraq represents an attempt to force through a third alternative...jury will remain out for some time to come.

241 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:01:11pm

re: #239 Sparmageddon

I still like the fact there was a Russian named Stalin!

He wasn't a Russian, he was a Georgian.

242 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #235 gmsc

More precisely, while he could technically specify that particular ads are not to appear on his site, he prefers to take their money for as long as they wish to keep advertising. After all, it's less money they can use elsewhere.

Ok, let's pick a few nits here. ;)

You are right, of course, and I was wrong. (Geez, I sure said that a lot when I was married, even if it wasn't true.)

243 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:01:20pm

Pelosi is going down...


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

244 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:01:24pm
245 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:01:51pm

I think ads for nubile Muslim chicks at LGF are hilarious, and I'm delighted that Charles is cashing some of their checks! Who'll be the first lizard to click through? Zombie? There's an investigative story in there somewhere!

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:02:28pm

re: #20 Gang of One

Somewhat OT, but I had to share this. Comes from a buddy down Messico way who has always leaned somewhere between capitalism and New Age warm-fuzzy. He thought Dubya was evil because he was a Christian. He writes:


How does one respond this?
/Sigh ...


Well, my own question is how Obama is getting away with being a Christian on his watch. I would ask if everyone in his family was well, and leave it at that.

247 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:03:44pm

re: #206 yochanan

just wait till the fertilizer hits the air moving device if Israel takes out the iranian nukes.

i would not be suprised if the zero breaks off relations with Israel and i expect violent anti semitism here in America.

Obama might break off relations with Israel, but I think that would backfire on him. An Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear program would probably cause a surge in American public support FOR Israel, which has a tremendous reservoir of support among average Americans. IMHO, it is only the "chattering class" which sees Israel as the problem, and rolling over for the Muslims as the solution.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:03:48pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

We still send Egypt wheat, for G-d's sake.

We send Egypt a lot of stuff.

249 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:04:40pm

re: #241 Alouette

He wasn't a Russian, he was a Georgian.

My bad attempt at a pun, is he Russian or Stalling (Stalin).

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:05:17pm

re: #59 quickjustice

The Egyptians will serve Obama pork chops, no doubt!

Well, they do have a lot of fresh-killed pork at the moment.

251 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:05:18pm

plenty of muslims and leftist in chicicago skinheads not so much.

anti semitism seemed to have a lot to do with the girl who was murdered out east. violent anti semites are a problem here and now.

252 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:05:40pm

re: #241 Alouette

He wasn't a Russian, he was a Georgian.

Named Josip Vissarionich Dzhugashvili. "Stalin" means "Man of Steel" in Russian, and was a nom de' guerre he adopted while busy helping Vladmir Ilyich Lenin overthrow Kropotkin's Mensheviks.

/after they'd first pulled a Louis XVI on Tsar Nicholas.

cheers

eon

253 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:05:56pm

re: #244 buzzsawmonkey

The favorite Jewish sunglasses; very popular among the Ray-banate.

I guess they were polarized.

254 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:06:13pm

OT:

BLAST-OFF! 'Star Trek' Screenings Open To $7M Thursday PM; Weekend Prediction Still $75M; Is It More Than Just Fanbase?

Not bad for a Thursday evening opening.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #67 kansas

I see the hot Muslim girl is back. I missed her.

The one in the red scarf? I think of her as an honorary lizard.

256 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:07:10pm

re: #243 albusteve

This is not new. She is a democratic drawbridge--going down for everyone.

(That's from "The Lion in Winter")

257 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:07:38pm

re: #238 Russkilitlover

OT -

I've missed a lot on earlier threads because of a heavy meeting day, so I don't know if this was discussed. The report on the investigation of the boneheaded AF1 NY buzzing has a lot of nice little details, even the resignation of one guy (who should be flat out canned, not hang around for 2 more weeks) but one thing is glaringly missing: Why were city officials who were notified, ORDERED to keep it secret under threat of Federal sanctions?

Caldera Resigns

It would be standard operating procedure to keep flight plans for one of the White House 747s classified and to only release it to people that had a need to know. In this case the, the NYPD and other LE agencies. The order to keep it secret would be consistent with that. This whole fiasco is really just a bad idea launched into a near perfect storm of procedure.

258 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:07:58pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

The one in the red scarf? I think of her as an honorary lizard.

/well let's just hope she dosen't suffer for being here.

259 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:08:22pm

Hmmm. Current choices on Muslima.com include an anonymous, cute, western-looking brunette from Egypt, age 30; "Amina", age 18 from UK, "Fatima", age 18 from USA; and "Sabrina", age 20 from Morocco. All of them are flashing some loose bangs except for Fatima. Tres chic! ;-)

260 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:08:31pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

The one in the red scarf? I think of her as an honorary lizard.

I currently have not one but two ads for the hot Muslim chick in the red headscarf. One right above the other.

Maybe they're trying to tell me something. Maybe I should give her a call and see if I can take her out for a drink sometime.

261 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:08:44pm

Will O say:

Muslims, find your reformer. Quit murdering. Police out of your midst your fanatics. Stop oppressing and killing your women. View all human beings a sacred. Do not attack us or you will pay.

If he would say this, I would tell him speak.

He need not say any more.

262 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:09:13pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

The one in the red scarf? I think of her as an honorary lizard.

I miss Aisha. What happened to him?

263 Last Mohican  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #259 quickjustice

Hmmm. Current choices on Muslima.com include an anonymous, cute, western-looking brunette from Egypt, age 30; "Amina", age 18 from UK, "Fatima", age 18 from USA; and "Sabrina", age 20 from Morocco. All of them are flashing some loose bangs except for Fatima. Tres chic! ;-)

Ooh, bangs. NSFW!

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:09:21pm

re: #257 CyanSnowHawk

It would be standard operating procedure to keep flight plans for one of the White House 747s classified and to only release it to people that had a need to know. In this case the, the NYPD and other LE agencies. The order to keep it secret would be consistent with that. This whole fiasco is really just a bad idea launched into a near perfect storm of procedure.

This whole fiasco sounds like it was made up on the spot over beer and brats.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:09:28pm

re: #68 nikis-knight

Obama gets a pass for claiming postions that the left otherwise mercilessly mocks as vile intolerance, such as opposing gay marriage.
They must think he doesn't really mean it.
I'm sure he is really a Christian, but I think he takes loving enemies a bit to far...

None of the Democrat front-runners supported same-sex marriage, and Obama actually got some points with some same-sex marriage supporters for saying he opposed it as a Christian rather than vaguely just saying that he wasn't for it.

I think he means it, and I, for one, hold it against him.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:09:30pm

re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT:

BLAST-OFF! 'Star Trek' Screenings Open To $7M Thursday PM; Weekend Prediction Still $75M; Is It More Than Just Fanbase?

Not bad for a Thursday evening opening.

I had some open time this afternoon. Saw the movie.

It (IMHO) is fantastic. Much, much better than I expected.

267 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans

star dreck

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:10:25pm

re: #267 yochanan

Booooo!

269 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:10:27pm

re: #261 Ojoe

AS sacred.

PIMF

270 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:10:29pm

re: #260 Last Mohican

Red scarf isn't your type. Fatima looks like she might be interested, however!

271 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:10:40pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had some open time this afternoon. Saw the movie.

It (IMHO) is fantastic. Much, much better than I expected.

So you most of the $7 million, eh? Ticket prices gone that high?

272 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:10:50pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Booooo!

whooooo

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #267 yochanan

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #272 yochanan

Oooh! Slappy fight! ;)

274 freetoken  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:12:11pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glad to hear you liked it. I've thought about going to see it Monday PM after the crowds die down.

Also noticed that the PJM movie critic didn't like it, even though rottentomatoes cream of the crop gives it a very solid 91%.

275 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:12:14pm

re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT:

BLAST-OFF! 'Star Trek' Screenings Open To $7M Thursday PM; Weekend Prediction Still $75M; Is It More Than Just Fanbase?

Not bad for a Thursday evening opening.

so the commie loving, anti-semites are making money.....bummer

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:12:18pm

re: #271 FurryOldGuyJeans

So you most of the $7 million, eh? Ticket prices gone that high?

Six bucks.

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #275 albusteve

Wha?

278 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:13:28pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What does Joe Bob say?

279 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:13:33pm

re: #243 albusteve

Pelosi is going down...


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

When you've gone down as much as she has, why would that be newsworthy?

280 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:13:39pm

re: #241 Alouette

He wasn't a Russian, he was a Georgian.

and this why I like LGF - CQC

281 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:13:41pm
282 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:13:54pm

re: #275 albusteve

so the commie loving, anti-semites are making money.....bummer

Please explain that in depth.

283 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #275 albusteve

so the commie loving, anti-semites are making money.....bummer

/well at least they earned it & not taxed it...

284 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:14:31pm

re: #279 Spare O'Lake

When you've gone down as much as she has, why would that be newsworthy?

the GOP should be screaming for an ethics investigation

285 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #282 FurryOldGuyJeans

Please explain that in depth.

no

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:14:54pm

re: #278 Ojoe

Okay, I've thought about it long and hard.

I don't get it.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:15:01pm

re: #187 Gella

can be frank with you? i dont want to watch it, i don't think he has Jewish soul, but according to some Michelle has Jewish uncle, which as u know, by blood line doesnt make him jew at all

Rabbi Capers C. Funnye is a cousin of Michelle's. Which has nothing to do with Obama, it's just a random fact.

288 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:15:14pm

re: #279 Spare O'Lake

Pelosi's visage radiates madness IMHO.

289 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:15:36pm

I think we're on to something here, guys. Extremist Islam creates horrendous oppression of women. Because of polygamy, in which rich guys get to marry all of the eligible women, many poor, young men are left without mates or girlfriends. That, in turn creates a large population of horny and angry young Muslim males with nothing better to do then commit mass suicide in some jihad.

Free Muslim women! Let young Muslim guys get it on! End the sexual rage and tension in Muslim communities!

290 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:15:44pm

re: #281 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure that Obama's address to the Egyptians will hark back to Egypt's millennia-long history as a cradle of ancient civilization.

Then, looking at the dismal situation of Egypt today, he will say, "Tut, Tut."

/do you think they will have him pop up from a well?

291 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:15:59pm

re: #253 Spare O'Lake

I guess they were polarized.

very clever - you should be Prada about it

292 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:16:01pm

Barack Obama: Appeasing Dictators since 2009

He might want to read up on the invasion of Normandy. Otherwise I'm sure he'll insult one of our allies during the invasion.

Let's see, he's going to Dresden, Germany. I can only imagine what that's going to be all about but I'm sure it will involve some kind of decrepit apology.

293 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #288 Ojoe

Pelosi's visage radiates madness IMHO.

It do.

294 jorline  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:16:17pm

Ola

Is the teleprompter welcome in Cairo?

I'm sure glad our POTUS is kissing everyone's ass.
/

295 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:16:29pm

re: #293 pink freud

It do.

She be clown! //

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:17:06pm

re: #284 albusteve

the GOP should be screaming for an ethics investigation

Republicans respond!

Repeated from this morning.

297 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:17:15pm
298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:17:26pm

re: #285 albusteve

no

Pulling an avanti. Ok.

299 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:17:27pm

BTW, freetoken- Sowell considers both marxism and fascism to be hybrid visions. Here is a quote on fascism:

One of the hybrid visions which has had a spectacular rise and fall in the twentieth century is fascism. Here some of the key elements of the constrained vision - obedience to authority, loyalty to one's people, willingness to fight - were strongly invoked, but always under the overriding imperative to follow an unconstrained leader, under no obligation to respect laws, traditions, institutions, or even common decency. The systematic processes at the core of the constrained vision were negated by a totalitarianism directed against every independent social process, from religion to political or economic freedom. Fascism appropriated some of the symbolic aspects of the constrained vision, without the systemic processes which gave them meaning. It was an unconstrained vision of governance which attributed to its leaders a scope of knowledge and dedication to the common good wholly incompatible with the constrained vision whose symbols it invoked.

Adherents of both the constrained and the unconstrained visions each see fascism as the logical extension of the adversary's vision. To those on the political left, fascism if "the far right." Conversely, to Hayek, Hitler's "national socialism" (Nazism) was indeed socialist in concept and execution.

/hat tip: Scottishbuzzsaw

300 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:17:45pm

re: #70 albusteve

photoshop!

Okay

301 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:18:01pm

re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Joe Bob, movie reviewer.

302 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #290 brookly red

/do you think they will have him pop up from a well?

A cake. In a sequined man-kini.

303 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:18:48pm

Image: ?action=view&current=Stinx.jpg
Pimf

304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:19:00pm

re: #302 Russkilitlover

Cake?

305 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #281 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure that Obama's address to the Egyptians will hark back to Egypt's millennia-long history as a cradle of ancient civilization.

Then, looking at the dismal situation of Egypt today, he will say, "Tut, Tut."

I'm betting on hearing something like, "the great ancient Egyptian pharoahs, such as Ramesses, Tutankhamun and Queztlcoatl . . ."

306 calcajun  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:19:14pm

re: #288 Ojoe

Pelosi's visage radiates madness IMHO.

And too much plastic surgery. She's like Peter O'Toole now--with a fix expression of permanent surprise.

307 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:19:23pm

re: #300 DEZes

Okay

Nice dead link dere! ;)

308 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:19:25pm

re: #243 albusteve

Pelosi is going down...


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I want to see Pelosi waterboarded. They can use Perier water on her to make it more fashionable..........

309 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #303 DEZes

[Link: s215.photobucket.com...]
Pimf

what? no ray-bans?

310 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:20:02pm

re: #303 DEZes

[Link: s215.photobucket.com...]
Pimf

Kind of give him a Sphinx in the Headlights look. //

311 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:20:11pm

re: #298 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pulling an avanti. Ok.

you don't need an expanation...you're a smart guy eh?...and there is no need to insult me

312 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:20:27pm

Albusteve, more:

Hoekstra’s Office: He’s Seen Documents That Prove Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding

313 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:20:27pm

re: #307 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nice dead link dere! ;)

Saw that too, try post 303. sorry, hun.

314 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:20:48pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

BTW, freetoken- Sowell considers both marxism and fascism to be hybrid visions. Here is a quote on fascism:


/hat tip: Scottishbuzzsaw

Well, I just don't know what to say. I can't see much difference in that definition and the last 100 days or so in America.

315 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:20:49pm

re: #260 Last Mohican

Strictly non-alcoholic, I presume? If she'll drink booze, she's definitely your type!

316 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:21:02pm

re: #243 albusteve

Pelosi is going down...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

2 things:

1) She's lying through her teeth. The latest reports are very clear that she was not only briefed several times about the exact techniques in question, but was also told explicitly that there were being used on more than one occasion. There are meeting minutes to back this up, and it has already been confirmed by other people who were there.

2) Please don't use the three words 'Pelosi', 'going' and 'down' in the same sentence ever again. I have to go take a melon scoop to the part of my brain that formed an unpleasant mental image, and it's not like I have all that much gray matter to spare.

317 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:21:10pm

re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans

This whole fiasco sounds like it was made up on the spot over beer and brats.

Listen, nobody complained when the W admin sent a plane to get a picture over Mt. Rushmore. New admin gets to chose and create new PR shots that they want. Probably been going on since the Washington admin.

It doesn't surprise me that The One wanted to get rid the shot from 'flyover country' and have one from one of his major support centers, NYC. Nor that they were clueless enough to not realize that large unexpected low flying aircraft over Manhattan would cause a panic.

318 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:21:17pm

re: #312 pink freud

Albusteve, more:

Hoekstra’s Office: He’s Seen Documents That Prove Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding

Was Boxer briefed too?

319 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:21:18pm

re: #300 DEZes

Okay

Safari won't link it for me

320 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:21:28pm

re: #312 pink freud

Albusteve, more:

Hoekstra’s Office: He’s Seen Documents That Prove Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding

Put her under oath.

321 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:21:51pm

re: #289 quickjustice

I think we're on to something here, guys. Extremist Islam creates horrendous oppression of women. Because of polygamy, in which rich guys get to marry all of the eligible women, many poor, young men are left without mates or girlfriends. That, in turn creates a large population of horny and angry young Muslim males with nothing better to do then commit mass suicide in some jihad.

Free Muslim women! Let young Muslim guys get it on! End the sexual rage and tension in Muslim communities!

Rage boy thanks you!

322 gmsc  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:22:00pm

re: #319 albusteve

Safari won't link it for me

It won't link for anyone, as the link itself is: http://

323 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:22:07pm

star dreck prime directive can't have even todays military weapons like heat seaking missles. which would take out 'cloaked' vessels. yeah right.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:22:08pm

re: #320 LGoPs

Put her under oath.

Depends on what you mean by "oath".

325 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:22:40pm

re: #320 LGoPs

Put her under oath.

Isn't she exempt from telling the truth?

/seems to be working so far ...

326 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:22:48pm

re: #319 albusteve

Safari won't link it for me

Try 303 post.

327 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:22:53pm

re: #288 Ojoe

Pelosi's visage radiates madness IMHO.

Stare at it too long, and it will take you too.

328 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:23:39pm

re: #312 pink freud

Albusteve, more:

Hoekstra’s Office: He’s Seen Documents That Prove Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding

good for Pete...keep an eye on that guy...Pelosi should be brought to the mat over this issue...it's huge imo

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:23:50pm

re: #323 yochanan

There was a "Star Trek" fan club at the theater, pointy ears, models, the whole shootin' match.

Studly; they were
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not.

330 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:23:51pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

I click it away in about 1 second. Obama too.

331 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:23:54pm

re: #20 Gang of One

Somewhat OT, but I had to share this. Comes from a buddy down Messico way who has always leaned somewhere between capitalism and New Age warm-fuzzy. He thought Dubya was evil because he was a Christian. He writes:

How does one respond this?
/Sigh ...

Tell him to lay off the bong.

332 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:23:56pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Depends on what you mean by "oath".

depends on what you mean by "under"...

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Stare at it too long, and it will take you too.

Medusa?

334 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:08pm

re: #325 pink freud

Isn't she exempt from telling the truth?

/seems to be working so far ...

She has a restraining order preventing truth from approaching her by at least 300 miles.

335 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:16pm

re: #288 Ojoe

Pelosi's visage radiates madness IMHO.

Bug-eyed,
Botoxified and
Stratified.
She lied.

336 brookly red  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #317 CyanSnowHawk

It doesn't surprise me that The One wanted to get rid the shot from 'flyover country' and have one from one of his major support centers, NYC. Nor that they were clueless enough to not realize that large unexpected low flying aircraft over Manhattan would cause a panic.

usually a 747 w/escort just means the Saudis are in town...

337 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:29pm

re: #316 SixDegrees

2 things:

1) She's lying through her teeth. The latest reports are very clear that she was not only briefed several times about the exact techniques in question, but was also told explicitly that there were being used on more than one occasion. There are meeting minutes to back this up, and it has already been confirmed by other people who were there.

2) Please don't use the three words 'Pelosi', 'going' and 'down' in the same sentence ever again. I have to go take a melon scoop to the part of my brain that formed an unpleasant mental image, and it's not like I have all that much gray matter to spare.

ha!...okay

338 yochanan  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:45pm

what was the group on star dreck that were modeled after jews?

339 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:24:58pm

re: #314 Russkilitlover

You miss the point- fascism is so debatable, because it's a hybrid. You see the unconstrained because you don't share that vision. People with the unconstrained vision see us, we see them. Left sees right, and right sees left.

To me- fascism is the worst of both, the best of neither. Either way- it should be rejected.

340 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:25:01pm

re: #308 LGoPs

I want to see Pelosi waterboarded. They can use Perier water on her to make it more fashionable..........

Feel like you're drowning and have to burp at the same time.
/

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:25:07pm

re: #332 AuntAcid

depends on what you mean by "under"...

depends on what you mean by "her"....

342 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:25:43pm

re: #340 CyanSnowHawk

ROFLMAO

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:25:44pm

re: #338 yochanan

what was the group on star dreck that were modeled after jews?

You may be thinking of the Ferengi. I personally thought that the Chinese had more right to be offended by them.

344 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:25:54pm

re: #326 DEZes

Try 303 post.

FAY-ROH!....pretty cool

345 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:03pm

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Stare at it too long, and it will take you too.

This calls for...

You knew it was coming

346 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:07pm

I dated a gorgeous Berber lady from Morocco many years ago. I have to say: she was hot!

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:08pm

re: #338 yochanan

what was the group on star dreck that were modeled after jews?

there were comedians on Star Trek?

348 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:10pm

I see the White House released one poor quality photo of the VC-25. Canopy reflections and F-16 canopy tint included.

349 freetoken  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:29pm

re: #323 yochanan

Obviously the cloaking technology works on infrared as well as visible light.

Dude... there isn't a star trek technology device which hasn't been argued over!

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:50pm

re: #346 quickjustice

I dated a gorgeous Berber lady from Morocco many years ago. I have to say: she was hot!

Berber women are gorgeous.

351 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:54pm

re: #303 DEZes

[Link: s215.photobucket.com...]
Pimf

Sweeeeeeet!

352 LGoPs  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:55pm

re: #325 pink freud

Isn't she exempt from telling the truth?

/seems to be working so far ...

Leahy wants a Truth Commission. I say kick it iff with her. "What did you know Madam Speaker and when did you know it?"

353 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:26:59pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

depends on what you mean by "her"....

I think she is a just a hologram so it doesn't matter...

354 Gus  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:27:09pm

re: #348 Gus 802

I see the White House released one poor quality photo of the VC-25. Canopy reflections and F-16 canopy tint included.

Speak of the devil I mean "Air Force 1."

355 Achilles Tang  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:27:39pm

OT. I would like to request that if possible sidebar ads not be allowed to have volume. I nearly fell off my chair when my cursor happened over a Spanish clown with mustache and someone yelled "HELLO".

Could be bad news for Lizards bored at their work too.

356 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:28:47pm

re: #345 Ward Cleaver

This calls for...

You knew it was coming

Jeff Lynn with a monster Fro...whoa!

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:28:51pm

re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist

Berber women are gorgeous.

and the carpet matches the drapes!

GET IT?!

358 Catttt  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:28:51pm

re: #353 AuntAcid

I think she is a just a hologram so it doesn't matter...

What do we want - HOLOGRAM RIGHTS!
When do we want them - NOW!

359 SixDegrees  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:29:15pm

re: #316 SixDegrees

2 things:

1) She's lying through her teeth. The latest reports are very clear that she was not only briefed several times about the exact techniques in question, but was also told explicitly that there were being used on more than one occasion. There are meeting minutes to back this up, and it has already been confirmed by other people who were there.

2) Please don't use the three words 'Pelosi', 'going' and 'down' in the same sentence ever again. I have to go take a melon scoop to the part of my brain that formed an unpleasant mental image, and it's not like I have all that much gray matter to spare.

One more thought: 0 is bitching about Arnold cutting state union worker wages last February, and told Arnold he was going to cut off his stimulus if he didn't restore them. This is ridiculous; the stimulus bill doesn't contain any language making such a thing mandatory, and 0 doesn't call the shots; if he wants to push back against any Arnoldian resistance, the only thing he can do is go back to Congress and ask for a brand new bill.

And look who's in charge of the House - Nancy Pelosi, of California. How do you think she's going to respond to having her home state's stimulus package yanked? Not well. She'll actively work against any such proposal, and could very well pull enough Dems together to defeat such a measure with Republican support.

Makes you wonder how this is going to play out. I have a feeling 0 may not be very happy with Pelosi in the speaker's chair. I also have a feeling that even his Democratic Congress is NOT going to take well to being pushed around by the Executive Branch.

Interesting times. Could be lots of fun to watch this one play out.

360 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:29:19pm

re: #284 albusteve

the GOP should be screaming for an ethics investigation

to go down - (Vulgar Slang) To perform fellatio or cunnilingus.

361 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #243 albusteve

Pelosi is going down...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

However, note that in the article, it quotes new CIA director Leon Panetta as saying the CIA documents stating who was briefed when "may not be accurate". Or in other words, he is accusing his own subordinates of lying, the better to cover Pelosi's a$$.

As this is already the Carter II Administration, I am looking for a "re-imagining" of the Church Committee hearings, with Panetta playing Stansfield Turner.

In the end, we may have no intelligence capabilities left. This would no doubt please the "enlightened elite" no end, as they vacillate between openly hoping that everyone else stomps us (as long as they get to run everything after the fact), or a sort of modern-day Henry L. Stimson mindset. (Stimson, Herbert Hoover's SecState, shut down our State Department cryptanalysis section, aka the "American Black Chamber", in 1929 on the grounds that "gentlemen do not read each others' mail.")

Of course, we weren't at war, then. Then again, The One believes that we're only at war now because we say we are. And that he can change that just by "redefining the situation".

/Or just pushing the "Reset" button.

cheers

eon

362 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:29:50pm

re: #295 Gus 802

She beast clown! //

FIFY

363 quickjustice  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:30:35pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

The Ferengi were actually described in the show as "Yankee traders". Apparently, the boys from New England drove some shrewd and tough bargains back before the Revolution. The "Triangular Trade" comes to mind.

364 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:30:56pm
365 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:12pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

and the carpet matches the drapes!

GET IT?!

Sadly, yes, I get it. (Whimpering softly.)

366 pink freud  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:13pm

re: #352 LGoPs

Leahy wants a Truth Commission. I say kick it iff with her. "What did you know Madam Speaker and when did you know it?"

Never happen.

367 AuntAcid  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:20pm

re: #358 Catttt

What do we want - HOLOGRAM RIGHTS!
When do we want them - NOW!

your transparency precedes you -you haven't a shadow of a chance

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:31pm

re: #365 SanFranciscoZionist

YAY!

369 albusteve  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:31:50pm

re: #361 eon

if Panetta wants to toss himself into the fray, then I say good!....all the more reason to investigate and sort it out....draw the fucking line....somewhere

370 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:32:52pm

re: #363 quickjustice

The Ferengi were actually described in the show as "Yankee traders". Apparently, the boys from New England drove some shrewd and tough bargains back before the Revolution. The "Triangular Trade" comes to mind.

Lots of tough-as-nails merchant cultures out there. But a lot of people were offended by the Ferengi, for a lot of reasons.

371 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:01pm

re: #308 LGoPs

I want to see Pelosi waterboarded. They can use Perier water on her to make it more fashionable..........

That would be cruel and unusual punishment for the one doing the waterboarding. Not to mention all the screaming of "Im melting, I'm melting."

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:03pm

re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist

Lots of tough-as-nails merchant cultures out there. But a lot of people were offended by the Ferengi, for a lot of reasons.

Personally, I was annoyed by the banking goblins in the Harry Potter books.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:34:37pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Personally, I was annoyed by the banking goblins in the Harry Potter books.

But the rest of the series pretty well made up for them.

374 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:35:43pm

re: #371 Sparmageddon

That would be cruel and unusual punishment for the one doing the waterboarding. Not to mention all the screaming of "Im melting, I'm melting."

I say use holy water, and listen to her scream, "IT BURNS" in a husky voice. ;)

375 Achilles Tang  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:36:04pm

re: #230 eon

I have to say, that (your icon) was probably my favorite movie of all time. Don't know how many times I've seen it. Yul Brynner and friends had nothing on these guys.

376 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:37:12pm

re: #335 Spare O'Lake

Bug-eyed,
Botoxified and
Stratified.
She lied.

Jesse, is that you?

377 DEZes  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:37:29pm

re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist

Lots of tough-as-nails merchant cultures out there. But a lot of people were offended by the Ferengi, for a lot of reasons.

And on the upside, even Obama could say look at those ears.

378 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:41:14pm

re: #297 buzzsawmonkey

'bye, all.

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

and the carpet matches the drapes!

GET IT?!

Do they call their hair stylists Berber Barbers?

379 eon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:43:52pm

re: #289 quickjustice

I think we're on to something here, guys. Extremist Islam creates horrendous oppression of women. Because of polygamy, in which rich guys get to marry all of the eligible women, many poor, young men are left without mates or girlfriends. That, in turn creates a large population of horny and angry young Muslim males with nothing better to do then commit mass suicide in some jihad.

Free Muslim women! Let young Muslim guys get it on! End the sexual rage and tension in Muslim communities!

I know you think you're joking (sort of), but you may be more right than you know;

The World's Most Toxic Value System- Prof. Steven Dutch

The money quotes are in the section headed "Degradation of Women".

cheers

eon

380 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:44:56pm

re: #378 Spare O'Lake

Do they call their hair stylists Berber Barbers?

Wah wah wahhhhhhh...

381 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:46:48pm

Good note all...It's been real. And Happy Mother's Day to all the Mother Lizards out there. I have a busy weekend and I don't know if I'll be on before Sunday. Have a good one. :)

382 Pupdawg  Fri, May 8, 2009 3:55:49pm

Now, isn't this special. Obama true chickens continue to come home to roost. I wonder what ills of the universe the evil USA will have caused by the time he addresses the muslim world in Egypt? This guy hates the real America but loves the America he has begun to create and the world will hear about it. Self-loathing Americans duly chastised and mis-represented by our supreme ruler!
For the first time in my life, I feel so very guilty and overwhelmingly sorry for being American, an ugly American per the POTUS. What a disgrace!

383 Gumby  Fri, May 8, 2009 4:55:14pm

re: #7 Wasta

OT - Butt Harvested for AF1 Flyover NYC

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Note: Only 2 weeks for out-processing, whatever that is....

Outprocessing is a military term which basically means you stop by each little bureaucracy that has ANY history on you or government tools you have signed for (I was an acft Mech) and to return any other government property issued to yourself that you didn't directly pay for.

When your outprocessing is complete, it's as if you never existed in the position you held unless you had a squadron historian that was on the ball.... In this clown's case, it's better that OHBummer completely forgets this incompetent boob.... it's one less for him to have to answer for later on down the line.

//

384 Gumby  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:03:32pm

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

Heaven forbid that we use domestic wheat for domestic consumption.

Don't want to be messing with intrastate commerce..... do we?

385 nyc redneck  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:18:54pm

it is embarrassing to witness, yet more of this behavior from o.
he is relentless in posturing and reaching out to people who must sincerely be caught btw amusement and anger at his antics.
he is so fcking nuts. it pathetic how he is trying to impress the m.e..
it must be kind of insulting to them to be pandered to like this.
they don't trust his stupid gestures.
obviously.
it just shows what an empty, unhappy miserable person o is. and yet arrogant. trying so desperately to connect to and be acknowledged and accepted by moslems.

it seems to be the main goal of his presidency, so far.
and it's not working.

386 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:31:01pm
387 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 8, 2009 5:31:25pm

All Lizardim -

"Will Speak to MUSLIMS" - Give me a "Bloody Break."
GWB - After 9/11/2001 TOLD US that ISLAM IS A RELIGION of PEACE. It is NOT - AND - I understand the Strategic Reason for the LIE. We needed nominally Islamic Allies. We got enough to keep things quiet. Gave us seven (7) years of Domestic Peace - Not a Bad Deal.
GWB is gone - Obama is President. He actually buys into the myth that the "Colonial West kept the Islamic World SUBJUGATED."
Truth is, the Islamic World was a tired force by the 1700's - Ripe for Picking by anyone (See: Napoleon in Egypt).
That they were NOT Crushed Entirely Then is more of a function of the Anglo-French Rivalry than anything else.
That rivalry has kept the "ummah" alive for an additional 200+ years.
My question is - What has the "ummah" done in the last 200 years to deserve such a reprieve? - Pray Tell.

-S-

388 [deleted]  Fri, May 8, 2009 8:10:53pm
389 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 8, 2009 8:19:53pm

re: #387 Dr. Shalit

All Lizardim -

"Will Speak to MUSLIMS" - Give me a "Bloody Break."
GWB - After 9/11/2001 TOLD US that ISLAM IS A RELIGION of PEACE. It is NOT - AND - I understand the Strategic Reason for the LIE. We needed nominally Islamic Allies. We got enough to keep things quiet. Gave us seven (7) years of Domestic Peace - Not a Bad Deal.
GWB is gone - Obama is President. He actually buys into the myth that the "Colonial West kept the Islamic World SUBJUGATED."
Truth is, the Islamic World was a tired force by the 1700's - Ripe for Picking by anyone (See: Napoleon in Egypt).
That they were NOT Crushed Entirely Then is more of a function of the Anglo-French Rivalry than anything else.
That rivalry has kept the "ummah" alive for an additional 200+ years.
My question is - What has the "ummah" done in the last 200 years to deserve such a reprieve? - Pray Tell.

-S-

(1) Poland didn't deserve to be crushed, simply because Russia and Germany were both stronger and they'd agreed to each take a slice. And the ummah doesn't deserve to be conquered, just because they are weak.

(2) They're not all that weak. Islam, say what you will about what it does for the standard of living in the places it rules, is robust. Its adherents, for some reason, don't often switch religions. Religious minorities in its domain don't thrive, for some odd reason. The constant infighting doesn't make any real inroads on the population---for some reason, there aren't as many career women as in, say, Japan, and the birth rate is correspondingly higher.

(3) Whether Islam is a religion of peace is for Muslims to determine. There is text in their scripture that, interpreted just so, can point toward peace---something about what to do when the enemy stands like an iron wall.

To help them see things in that light, we need to also be people of peace, and make sure we look like, and are, an iron wall. Not an iron spearhead, bent on conquest, but just a wall. That way, the peace faction of the theological debate over in their camp has a chance of being heard, and the text about what to do when the enemy stands firm has a good chance to be read, and re-read, and pondered.

For fans of Fred Saberhagen's series, our Sword must be Townsaver.

390 NelsFree  Fri, May 8, 2009 8:51:22pm

re: #389 lostlakehiker

"1) Poland didn't deserve to be crushed, simply because Russia and Germany were both stronger and they'd agreed to each take a slice. And the ummah doesn't deserve to be conquered, just because they are weak."

Wars are won by the side that overcomes the other side. "Deserve?" It is a function of strength. The Ummah, by the way, conquered almost all of the Christan Holy Land when they were strong.

"(2) They're not all that weak. Islam, say what you will about what it does for the standard of living in the places it rules, is robust. Its adherents, for some reason, don't often switch religions. Religious minorities in its domain don't thrive, for some odd reason. The constant infighting doesn't make any real inroads on the population---for some reason, there aren't as many career women as in, say, Japan, and the birth rate is correspondingly higher."

'for some reason'= you have no idea what you are talking about. The penalty for apostasy from Islam is Death. Once Islam becomes the majority religion, Muslims steadily force non-muslims to convert or leave or die. Four wives per husband = higher birth rate.

"(3) Whether Islam is a religion of peace is for Muslims to determine. There is text in their scripture that, interpreted just so, can point toward peace---something about what to do when the enemy stands like an iron wall."
'Nasik Wah Mansuk.' It means the Abrogators and the Abrogated. Parts of the Koran are abrogated by later verses. Muslims can point out a 'peaceful' part of it to a Non-muslim, even though they know it is no longer in effect.

"To help them see things in that light, we need to also be people of peace, and make sure we look like, and are, an iron wall. Not an iron spearhead, bent on conquest, but just a wall. That way, the peace faction of the theological debate over in their camp has a chance of being heard, and the text about what to do when the enemy stands firm has a good chance to be read, and re-read, and pondered."

You really must not understand Islam. Muslims only respect force. Instead of an iron wall, we need to hit them with an iron mace when they attack us. You ponder, I'll get a rifle.
Sheesh.

"For fans of Fred Saberhagen's series, our Sword must be Townsaver."
For fans of Freedom and the Republic, our sword must be sharp and ready.

391 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 8, 2009 9:22:42pm

re: #390 NelsFree

When I write "for some reason", it doesn't mean that I have no guess of my own, and it doesn't mean I think the reader has no clue either.

Nobody "respects only force". And force must be used with care, because all who have any dispute with the too-readily violent will reason that they must band together and act before they are picked off one by one.

Townsaver, if you didn't catch the reference, is magically sharp and ready, and is just about invincible when deployed in defense of innocent life.
But to set out to conquer and rule dar al Islam is a fool's errand. There's little there worth taking, and what there is that might be worth taking, the oil, well, the other great powers of the world would never stand for us taking it. There are also moral objections to such a project, and they're weighty objections, indeed, decisive, but somehow I don't think you'd find them very convincing.

Sheesh.

392 Syrah  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:01:12pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

As that quote describes the understanding of the root causes of war from the worldview of the unconstrained, I think you are correct. Obama is most definitely of the unconstrained.

393 Sharmuta  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:15:58pm

re: #392 Syrah

My book note even says, "0bama".

394 avspatti  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:26:44pm

re: #75 Gella

Obama is flirting with disaster

Obama IS disaster.

395 Syrah  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:33:02pm

re: #393 Sharmuta

My book note even says, "0bama".

He is an interesting person. In him, I hear and see Alinsky. Our fellow Americans have elected themselves a golden calf, a god. They know not what they have done.

396 Ojoe  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:42:57pm

re: #20 Gang of One

Take an aspirin, there is no rational response.

397 eddie- the Aggravator  Fri, May 8, 2009 10:50:41pm

The Messiah may be able to "talk the talk" in Cairo.

But can he walk like an Egyptian?

398 JenBee  Sat, May 9, 2009 2:34:33am

It just so happens that I had the MEMRI newsfeed titles listed on the left side of my LGF screen here when I read this post by Charles, and even though there are a couple of relatively sane-sounding items from Egyptian clerics, there is also this cluster of insanity that seems to only come from pure Jew-hatred:

Egyptian cleric Hazem Abu Ismail calls to boycot Pepsi: Name stands for 'Pay Every Penny to Save Israel'

Egyptian MP Ragab Hilal Hamidah: Hitler was acting in self-defense

Children memorize and recite antisemitic messages on an Egyptian Islamist channel

Egyptian cleric Said Al-Afani: Jews are the offspring of snakes and vipers and were behind all wars

Egyptian cleric Sheik Masoud Anwar: the worst enemies of the Muslims - after Satan - are the Jews
____

Yeah, that's a perfect country for Barack Obama to make his Muslim Address from.

399 elrushbuni  Sat, May 9, 2009 3:19:36am

The millions we pay to Egypt every year amounts to the jizya tax. Without this money they would be just as stubbornly Islamic as Iran & Syria. The only reason Saudi Arabia is even on a handshake basis with us is because they have to profit from the oil. There is NO friendship for the sake of friendship (without the jizya tax in the form of "aid"-- you can call it whatever you want) between nations of the Middle East and the West -- this should speak volumes.

I hope Obama doesn't forget to call them all out for that. They all need to grow up and stop getting so incensed over petty things such as cartoons, Koran pages, and books written outside of Islam. They all need to stop searching for reasons and manufacturing excuses to kill and maim in the name of G-d. What "religion" does that? The Muslims don't even know what the word "religion" means! (No joke - it is a Western concept). I hope Obama gives them a lecture -- the Muslim world needs to hear that will lend some credence to the word "citizenship" as it relates to the way one conducts himself against non-believers; and self-discipline where suicide bombing and rocket launching is concerned. I hope Obama reminds them that non-believers have rights too, and they need to stop setting fire to churches. I think if he really applied himself he would get some results and the whole Muslim world will see the light and start singing Koombaya alongside their Jewish cousins and leave well enough alone in countries where they out of their element, so to speak.
/sarc off

400 Kobalt  Sat, May 9, 2009 5:24:20am

You mean he's not through with his muslim butt-kissing?

I guess we should expect a full mideast tour!

401 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 9, 2009 5:51:35am

re: #118 Kosh's Shadow

The articles only talk about repair, which is the problem with an arms boycott.
But Israel has always improved the aircraft they buy from the US, and many of those improvements find their way back to the US. We're making that impossible with the F-35. And they make (and export) their own missiles and radar; no way to put those on an F-35 with its integrated computer systems unless you can modify the computers.

Kosh's Shadow -

The Israelis will have to buy an extra airframe to do the reverse engineering.
That is (about) all.

-S-

402 Clio  Sat, May 9, 2009 11:52:58am

re: #103 Sparmageddon

Megiddo is in Israel.

You can still see remnants there of buildings and walls and gateways and stables for chariot-corps horses, put up by King Solomon and King Ahab.


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