alright you slackers
3rd shift is starting and no one is clocked in yet

Amen

An ancient and immense and ongoing cosmos is so vastly more dramatic and worthy of a majestic Creator. Our brains, capable of exploring His universe, picking up His tools and doing His work, seem destined for much more than cowering in a corner, praying that some of our neighbors will go to hell.

Amen! and AMEN... Oh for a thousand updings for that sentiment, Charles!

hey sharm,
you're looking a very fetching shade of blue tonight

Firs . . . Hmmm . . . Maybe not.

Curiosity is natural to the soul of man and interesting objects have a powerful influence on our affections.

/Daniel Boone

Hello, late night honcos!

did ya'll see the story I posted in top links about Chryslers top lenders
foldinging their hand and slinking away?

now let's see if the uaw can build a car

re: #8 rain of lead

did ya'll see the story I posted in top links about Chryslers top lenders
foldinging their hand and slinking away?

now let's see if the uaw can build a car

/the GM bankruptcy will be worse and cost much more

re: #6 Killian Bundy

/Daniel Boone

Where the hell did all these god damn Mexicans come from?

-Davy Crockett

re: #8 rain of lead

did ya'll see the story I posted in top links about Chryslers top lenders
foldinging their hand and slinking away?

now let's see if the uaw can build a car

I first read about this morning in the Coyote Blog post The Thugs Win.

0bama really is getting closer and closer to have his name mentioned in the same breaths and with the same historical perspective as Mussolini.

re: #1 rain of lead

alright you slackers
3rd shift is starting and no one is clocked in yet

at my age, getting onto and off of my head is *not* a trivial evolution... i demand an accommodation under the ADA or i'll sue.

re: #9 Killian Bundy

yes, but now zero has gotten away with rewriting bankruptcy laws
they now mean whatever he wants them too

re: #11 gmsc

Can you believe we have 45 more months of this?
It's beyond frightening, into the surreal!

re: #4 rain of lead

Why-- thank you.

re: #13 rain of lead

yes, but now zero has gotten away with rewriting bankruptcy laws
they now mean whatever he wants them too

FTFY

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

Can you believe we have 45 more months of this?
It's beyond frightening, into the surreal!

Don't worry, your time at the re-education camps will fly by and you will be just fine once you are "adjusted".

/

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

Can you believe we have 45 more months of this?
It's beyond frightening, into the surreal!

my advice to you is to start drinking heavily...

Now that is a prayer. It might seem like acerbic commentary, but there is G-d's own truth in there sure as anything in the Bible.

re: #11 gmsc

I think I'll vote with my dollars and buy a Ford.

re: #8 rain of lead

did ya'll see the story I posted in top links about Chryslers top lenders
foldinging their hand and slinking away?

now let's see if the uaw can build a car

I didn't catch all of the details, but heard someone on a radio show speculate that the UAW will liquidate any assests it can, fund its its pension plan and bug out. It's just speculation, mind you, but I thought of the movie Wall Street, where Gordon Gekko is asked why he's wrecking a company and he responds "Because it's wreckable." I see Obama and his union buddies serving that role.

re: #21 solomonpanting

I didn't catch all of the details, but heard someone on a radio show speculate that the UAW will liquidate any assests it can, fund its its pension plan and bug out. It's just speculation, mind you, but I thought of the movie Wall Street, where Gordon Gekko is asked why he's wrecking a company and he responds "Because it's wreckable." I see Obama and his union buddies serving that role.

feasting on the carcass it helped kill, eh?

I have read a bit of Brin. Am not a serious fan. But I am OK with the quote.

re: #22 Desert Dog

feasting on the carcass it helped kill, eh?

Perhaps. And they'd be feasting on car cases, no?

re: #13 rain of lead

yes, but now zero has gotten away with rewriting bankruptcy laws
they now mean whatever he wants them too

/technically, the opposition was bullied into capitulating, so now everyone has agreed to the TOTUS plan, the legal challenge is over, at least for the time being

re: #21 solomonpanting

if the uaw does liquidate, won't that just be a one time shot of cash?
their pension plan goes on for years.

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

Can you believe we have 45 more months of this?
It's beyond frightening, into the surreal!

Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem.

Ear Leader and all his supporters, sycophants, water carriers and the general ash and trash can go attempt the impossible in mid-air.

i *will* not go, quietly, or otherwise.

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

Can you believe we have 45 more months of this?
It's beyond frightening, into the surreal!

Or, more precisely . . .

Yeesh.

re: #20 Cheechako

I think I'll vote with my dollars and buy a Ford.

Or any other brand of car into which the federal government hasn't gotten their mitts into.

re: #21 solomonpanting

I didn't catch all of the details, but heard someone on a radio show speculate that the UAW will liquidate any assests it can, fund its its pension plan and bug out. It's just speculation, mind you, but I thought of the movie Wall Street, where Gordon Gekko is asked why he's wrecking a company and he responds "Because it's wreckable." I see Obama and his union buddies serving that role.

I believe they're doing their best to sell it to Fiat (how appropriate for a car they got from the US federal government, who prints fiat currency).

The big story is the stepping over of the creditors. Case or no case, how easy do you think it's going to be for any business even remotely connected with the Feds to get any sort of credit?

re: #20 Cheechako

I think I'll vote with my dollars and buy a Ford.

vote with your dollars and buy a japanese car, since the CEO of Ford asked for *more* federal regulation of the business, to force them to build the cars the govt wants.

re: #25 Killian Bundy

but when "they" move on to their next target, will said target not just
roll over faster?

re: #26 rain of lead

if the uaw does liquidate, won't that just be a one time shot of cash?
their pension plan goes on for years.

if they were smart, they wouldn't be a union, they'd have been part owners years ago...

dinosaurs.

re: #26 rain of lead

if the uaw does liquidate, won't that just be a one time shot of cash?
their pension plan goes on for years.

That's correct, but if they could score a few billion dollars perhaps that would be better than nothing?

re: #17 Desert Dog

Don't worry, your time at the re-education camps will fly by and you will be just fine once you are "adjusted".

/

i was walking into a store today when a guy walked out weraing a shirt that read "well adjusted" on the front (advertising for a local chiropractor).

being a wise ass, i just looked over and said "the gauge must be off..."

he was confused: his wife about pissed herself.

%-)

Of course David Brin believes in a Creator -- he needs an equal.

Heh-heh. (You have to know him. It's not easy.)

re: #32 solomonpanting

That's correct, but if they could score a few billion dollars perhaps that would be better than nothing?

how fast is Chrysler burning through money...how long would it last?
oh right as long as the union bosses get their cut...who cares>

/duh

re: #28 gmsc

Case or no case, how easy do you think it's going to be for any business even remotely connected with the Feds to get any sort of credit?

Uh, from Federally-controlled lending institutions?

//

re: #32 solomonpanting

That's correct, but if they could score a few billion dollars perhaps that would be better than nothing?

what will they invest in, since the investment market will be poisoned by all this illegal activity for years, if not forever?

re: #30 rain of lead

but when "they" move on to their next target, will said target not just
roll over faster?

We'll see, watch GM.

/the Chrysler non-TARP investors had excellent bankruptcy counsel, but the client is always right and they apparently thought better of fighting on

re: #29 redc1c4

vote with your dollars and buy a japanese car, since the CEO of Ford asked for *more* federal regulation of the business, to force them to build the cars the govt wants.

Yes, you're correct.

Once one of these instuitions grows a spine and gets into court all hell will break loose. It will only take one and then others will climb onboard.

Uh, any thread quoting a relative is too much for me to handle!

I AM not looking forward to seeing what happens in Ca. on May 19, when the "fix the budget" propositions all go down in flames. And Obami has already threatened to pull Fed matching dollars, if the precious union pay cuts don't get reversed.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

re: #36 solomonpanting

Uh, from Federally-controlled lending institutions?

//

how often do you think you can fool the street?

By the way, while Toyota and Nissan were growing and preparing for the US market, all US imports were banned from Japan.

re: #36 solomonpanting

Uh, from Federally-controlled lending institutions?

//

Which will get the Feds to print the money out of thin air, causing hyper-inflation, making the money worth less.

re: #31 redc1c4

if they were smart, they wouldn't be a union, they'd have been part owners years ago...

dinosaurs.

GM, Ford and Chrysler should just get it over with and change their names to Lada. Out Dear Leader has his meat hooks into your companies...he owns you all.

This is what central planning gets you, Comrade Obama.

None of you got that this thread is headed by a quote from someone really, really know...

re: #41 Floral Giraffe

I AM not looking forward to seeing what happens in Ca. on May 19, when the "fix the budget" propositions all go down in flames. And Obami has already threatened to pull Fed matching dollars, if the precious union pay cuts don't get reversed.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

i just hope that Weiss gets smoked on the city attorney election and that Koretz is left looking for a real j*b for once in his life.

as for the 5 stupids: if they pass, California voters deserve what they get.

(except me, of course, but i'll take my licks. %-)

re: #37 redc1c4

what will they invest in, since the investment market will be poisoned by all this illegal activity for years, if not forever?

Tatoo-removal companies, and tee-shirts saying "We're Number Four"

re: #45 Desert Dog

GM, Ford and Chrysler should just get it over with and change their names to Lada. Out Dear Leader has his meat hooks into your companies...he owns you all.

This is what central planning gets you, Comrade Obama.

it's "Ear Leader"... thankyouverymuch.

re: #43 mardukhai

By the way, while Toyota and Nissan were growing and preparing for the US market, all US imports were banned from Japan.

Try importing something into China, talk about jumping through flaming hoops. I ship things in there all the time. But, I cannot ship things out, that is for Chinese companies only (or big US carriers like FedEx, UPS, etc.) That is a closed market to imports. Besides imports to China getting delayed all the time, there are excessive "tariffs" that aren't called tariffs are in place. And, do not get me started about the "grease money" sometimes needed to get something cleared in less than a few weeks. When they ship something here, it is cleared extremely quickly, with very little red tape.

re: #1 rain of lead

alright you slackers
3rd shift is starting and no one is clocked in yet

I work the swing shift!

re: #46 mardukhai

None of you got that this thread is headed by a quote from someone really, really know...

i don't care about you...

re: #50 Desert Dog

Try importing something into China, talk about jumping through flaming hoops. I ship things in there all the time. But, I cannot ship things out, that is for Chinese companies only (or big US carriers like FedEx, UPS, etc.) That is a closed market to imports. Besides imports to China getting delayed all the time, there are excessive "tariffs" that aren't called tariffs are in place. And, do not get me started about the "grease money" sometimes needed to get something cleared in less than a few weeks. When they ship something here, it is cleared extremely quickly, with very little red tape.

like the time the feds intercepted the large shipment of *real* AK's, RPGs. etc...

just a harmless clerical error. nothing to see here, now move along please.

re: #51 Cattt

wheee, time for a coffee(or whatever) break

re: #51 Cattt

Hi Cattt!

re: #53 redc1c4

like the time the feds intercepted the large shipment of *real* AK's, RPGs. etc...

just a harmless clerical error. nothing to see here, now move along please.

It was probably a knock off of a knock off AK-47, but I know what you are saying...They flood our markets with cheap ass stuff and then put up the Wall of China when we want to send something back in.

re: #47 redc1c4

Someone posted, here, I think a good bumpersticker

Hey Arnold
ABCDE FU!

nite all, I gotta start early tomorrow...play nice now

I've been watching Robert Wuhl's 2-part series "Assume the Position", about America's fictional legends and the real history behind them.

I'd hope that most of the students in the class would be familiar with these details long before this video was filmed, but I doubt it.

re: #30 rain of lead

That is certainly what they're hoping for!

re: #59 gmsc

He did repeat an urban legend or 2 as "fact" in the first one.

re: #55 Floral Giraffe

Hi Cattt!

Hi backatcha!

re: #18 redc1c4

my advice to you is to start drinking heavily...

I have my Scotch, my cigars. I'm ready!

re: #61 ArchangelMichael

He did repeat an urban legend or 2 as "fact" in the first one.

I like James Burke's series (although he is a global warming nut) better, but the Wuhl videos are interesting.

Today in History, May 9th:

Highlights of this day in history: The FDA approves the first birth control pill; FCC chief Newton Minow condemns TV programming; Richard Byrd and Floyd Bennett fly over the North Pole; Journalist Mike Wallace and singer Billy Joel born.

Other notable May 9th events include:

1502 – Christopher Columbus leaves Spain for his fourth and final journey to the New World.

1868 – The city of Reno, Nevada, is founded.

1950 – L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health is released.

1974 – Watergate Scandal: The United States House of Representatives Judiciary Committee opens formal and public impeachment hearings against President Richard Nixon.

Since I'm thinking of history, and it's Billy Joel's birthday, how about a little We Didn't Start the Fire?

re: #64 gmsc

I like James Burke's series (although he is a global warming nut) better, but the Wuhl videos are interesting.

Yeah it was entertaining but I was a little perturbed when he dragged out the English Longbowmen being the origin of the middle finger gesture and "fuck you" legend.

It's kind of like when you have someone explaining something to you that you know little about, and in the middle of the explanation they say something you know for sure is bogus. It puts the rest under suspicion whether it warrants it or not. I felt like this a couple of times watching P&T Bullshit too.

re: #67 ArchangelMichael

Yeah it was entertaining but I was a little perturbed when he dragged out the English Longbowmen being the origin of the middle finger gesture and "fuck you" legend.

It's kind of like when you have someone explaining something to you that you know little about, and in the middle of the explanation they say something you know for sure is bogus. It puts the rest under suspicion whether it warrants it or not. I felt like this a couple of times watching P&T Bullshit too.

I know what you mean. You'll almost never find a "pure" source, so the best thing you can do is verify everything with multiple sources.

Last I heard, Aristophanes was using the middle finger to make fun of the Socratic method in his plays. I'm not sure how many English longshoremen were around at the time.
;)

re: #66 gmsc

I wonder if Syrah would consider that a constrained song?

re: #69 Sharmuta

I wonder if Syrah would consider that a constrained song?

Well, it did limit itself to events in history.

I think in writing, the constraints are a little more stringent, such as writing the longest work you can without the letter e, or using words of lengths that match the order in the digits of Pi.

re: #56 Desert Dog

It was probably a knock off of a knock off AK-47, but I know what you are saying...They flood our markets with cheap ass stuff and then put up the Wall of China when we want to send something back in.

no. this was real ass, no shit PLA issue quality weapons... we caught it in the harbor.

re: #57 Floral Giraffe

Someone posted, here, I think a good bumpersticker

Hey Arnold
ABCDE FU!

the (un)funny thing is that Ahnold, for all his many failings, proposed a series of initiatives that might have addressed the issues, but the unions, etc, opposed them and they died, which is when he gave up on "reform" and switched to "get along".

now those same asshats are supporting these propositions as the cure.

/i'll pass

re: #71 redc1c4

AK-47: When you absolutely positively have to kill every motherfucker in the room, except no substitutes.

re: #72 redc1c4

Well, the polls have the initiatives going down in flames!

re: #73 ArchangelMichael

AK-47: When you absolutely positively have to kill every motherfucker in the room, except no substitutes.

no: that's what a claymore is for... the AK is for when you absolutely, positively never want to have to clean your rifle or learn how to shoot, but you'd like it to w*rk, more or less, usually, at least to spray bullets down range in the general direction of someone.

It's getting foggy here.
I hope it is in Santa Barbara, too.
If you could, please take a minute & say a prayer/wish good thoughts for my friends in SB, who are evacuated from their 3 generation family home.
And for all the folks in harms way tonight!
See you tomorrow!

re: #73 ArchangelMichael

AK-47: When you absolutely positively have to kill every motherfucker in the room, except no substitutes.

unfortunately, only one poll counts... i'll be worrying until then.

and, if they fail, i'll start in on worrying about what the morons will do next to get us to comply with what they want.

re: #75 redc1c4

that's what a claymore is for

/*click*

re: #76 Floral Giraffe

It's getting foggy here.
I hope it is in Santa Barbara, too.
If you could, please take a minute & say a prayer/wish good thoughts for my friends in SB, who are evacuated from their 3 generation family home.
And for all the folks in harms way tonight!
See you tomorrow!

where you at, generally, if you're still here?

SFV here.

re: #78 Killian Bundy

/*click*

/*click**click**clicBOOOM!

re: #82 redc1c4

dump this please, and i'm posting a "green smoke" warning on the FNG in question.

/should have known better.

Happy train day everybody!

re: #79 redc1c4

I'm in the South Bay. Dear friends are in the SB foothills. Evacuated from their home, but didn't want to go this far away, so they're in a shelter. Waiting. I'm praying for this fog to cool it down enough, that the Firefighters can get control of this thing. ( So glad I left "thank you for your service" notes on their windsheilds last July!)

re: #81 redc1c4

/*click**click**clicBOOOM!

Nice to see someone's having a blast.

re: #67 ArchangelMichael

Yeah it was entertaining but I was a little perturbed when he dragged out the English Longbowmen being the origin of the middle finger gesture and "fuck you" legend.

It's kind of like when you have someone explaining something to you that you know little about, and in the middle of the explanation they say something you know for sure is bogus. It puts the rest under suspicion whether it warrants it or not. I felt like this a couple of times watching P&T Bullshit too.

I just saw that part! He does refer to it as legend, and even asks rhetorically, "Is it true? It doesn't matter!"

On a related note: Why Is The Middle Finger Offensive?

Whaddaya mean 'This side towards enemy'?

re: #81 redc1c4

/*click**click**clicBOOOM!

/set it with a passive sensor like infrared and it cuts down on the clicks

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

Whaddaya mean 'This side towards enemy'?

"Front Towards Enemy"

a buddy had that on the cammo band of his brain bucket.

re: #89 Killian Bundy

/set it with a passive sensor like infrared and it cuts down on the clicks

TA-1 or 312 is even more efficient.

re: #84 Fenway_Nation

Happy train day everybody!

you've got a one track mind on that, don't you?

re: #75 redc1c4

no: that's what a claymore is for... the AK is for when you absolutely, positively never want to have to clean your rifle or learn how to shoot, but you'd like it to w*rk, more or less, usually, at least to spray bullets down range in the general direction of someone.

Well I was just quoting Ordell Robbie.

re: #92 redc1c4

you've got a one track mind on that, don't you?

It's definitely well trained.

Living here in Vegas, I understand that trains are those things that go by only in the extremely early morning, so as not to hold up traffic from getting to the strip (the only train crossing on Las Vegas Blvd. is south of the famous Las Vegas sign).

I've got a busy day tomorrow.

Good night, all!

re: #69 Sharmuta

I wonder if Syrah would consider that a constrained song?

This part is key.

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

And then this:

We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...

The constrained would understand trying to "fight it", to a point.

The constrained would not wonder if "Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on . . . "

The constrained knows it would. To the constrained, human nature is fixed. To the unconstrained, it is not. Only the unconstrained could think it possible for humans to be able to create a world where the injustices, tragedies, corruptions and heartbreaks that are the mile markers of our lives could be made just a curiosity of history.

-

But, I could be wrong about this. Analyzing songs like this can be as mad and crazy as trying to divine the future from leavings in a tea-cup.

re: #95 gmsc

I've got a busy day tomorrow.

Good night, all!

so do i...

so what?

re: #92 redc1c4

I'm not de-railing the thread, am I?

An old embittered Jewish man looks up at the sky and asks God: "God, please help me, I don't know what to do! My son is converting to Christianity!"

A booming voice came down from above, and God responded to the man: "Help you? I have the same problem."

re: #98 Fenway_Nation

I'm not de-railing the thread, am I?

we seem to be switching back and forth... you may be an engine of change.

re: #100 redc1c4

we seem to be switching back and forth... you may be an engine of change.

but then again, given your one track mind, it could lead to tunnel vision.

re: #100 redc1c4

we seem to be switching back and forth... you may be an engine of change.

We have to conduct ourselves according to the rules or we will be booted in the caboose.

/i got a 2-fer

re: #100 redc1c4

It's not like I was coached on this matter. I just took it as some sort of signal to proceed with that particular train of thought.

re: #98 Fenway_Nation

I'm not de-railing the thread, am I?

Oh no, I like riding trains all the time.

3 1/2 more years of this unbelievable bullshit:

Of Course... Obama Will Recognize German Suffering During D-Day Anniversary Events

...Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.

But he will be aware of the sensibilities of his German hosts before the D-Day commemoration and by travelling to Dresden — a city destroyed by ferocious Allied bombing in February 1945 — Mr Obama will also acknowledge how Germany suffered during the Second World War.

re: #103 Fenway_Nation

It's not like I was coached on this matter. I just took it as some sort of signal to proceed with that particular train of thought.

that's because it's nighttime in the switching yard.

re: #104 freetoken

Yep- even if it's just a trip on the subway, there's something to be said for a nice train ride.

re: #102 ArchangelMichael

We have to conduct ourselves according to the rules or we will be booted in the caboose.

/i got a 2-fer

don't get too excited, as there are no trains to heaven, but there is a hellbound train.

re: #105 Spiritualized

...Visiting a concentration camp will send an important message to Israel and Jewish voters back home — who have sometimes been suspicious towards him — that he fully recognises the horrors of the Holocaust.

Oh, thank God! I don't know what I would have done without his recognition!

re: #107 Fenway_Nation

Yep- even if it's just a trip on the subway, there's something to be said for a nice train ride.

looks like she's already had more than her share of passengers...

re: #105 Spiritualized

Mr Obama will also acknowledge how Germany suffered during the Second World War.

That's like acknowledging the pain and suffering of the home-invasion robber who caught an abdomen full of buckshot.

/poor thing

re: #105 Spiritualized

3 1/2 more years of this unbelievable bullshit:

Of Course... Obama Will Recognize German Suffering During D-Day Anniversary Events

Germany is lucky they survived as an independent country after big mistake #2.

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

That's like acknowledging the pain and suffering of the home-invasion robber who caught an abdomen full of buckshot.

/poor thing

that's why i use bird shot... %-)

Well lizards, it's been a slice, but I gotta get me some shuteye.

Not sure how much longer I can limp along all fruitcup-deprived.

re: #114 Fenway_Nation

Well lizards, it's been a slice, but I gotta get me some shuteye.

Not sure how much longer I can limp along all fruitcup-deprived.

we could ask the vet to look at your leg... %-)

ROTFLMFAO!

this woman is a bad influence on me.

(like i needed that. %-)

Giants win again.

Barry Zito back on track.

Manroid-less Dodgers lose two in a row.

Lincecum going on Sunday.

Humm baby humm.

re: #117 traderjoe9

another example of Bay Area class...

re: #105 Spiritualized

3 1/2 more years of this unbelievable bullshit:

Of Course... Obama Will Recognize German Suffering During D-Day Anniversary Events

Wow, I am SO incensed about this. I just ranted long and hard in a blog post.

This is fucking...this is just...this is, I mean...I just...I don't know.

re: #118 redc1c4

another example of Bay Area class...

like B*rry B*nds... the asterisk record holder.

/you were saying?

re: #119 TheMatrix31

Wow, I am SO incensed about this. I just ranted long and hard in a blog post.

This is fucking...this is just...this is, I mean...I just...I don't know.

do you think Ear Leader cares? you simply aren't smart enough to understand the nuance.

going to see the inlaws in a few hours... guess i should cop some Z's so i don't snore on the couch.

hasta, y'all.

As much as I have generally enjoyed Brin's SF (after the greats began fading by the early 80s I really enjoyed The Three B's: Bear, Benford, Brin), and his The Transparent Society is an important non-fiction work about social impact of technology, he so *totally* fell for Obama as the savior. As a generally more thoughtful liberal he should have a pretty good case of whiplash if he were intellectually honest.

The otherwise excellent point he actually makes in Charles' post is really undercut by the very last bit, "...praying that some of our neighbors will go to hell". That gratuitous slam -- a cliched bit of libel, the left-wing caricature of Christians (as opposed to, say, the PC-acceptable safely neutered Unitarians)-- reveals his hand and shows that his appeal about a 'majestic creator' is merely a debate tactic and not a real sign of respect for thoughtful religious belief in general.

I have yet to see any of these guys take the next logical step, which is: if some 'God' created this immense universe, apparently mostly devoid of intelligent life, doesn't that suggest a 'Manifest Destiny" for humanity to explore, expand, and colonize it?

Good night, Red.

And no, I don't think he cares. Maybe he can pass healthcare reform so when I develop my ulcer because of his actions, he'll be able to cover it.

re: #119 TheMatrix31

Wow, I am SO incensed about this. I just ranted long and hard in a blog post.

This is fucking...this is just...this is, I mean...I just...I don't know.

Yeah, isn't that something? The incredible, breathtaking suffering and death of INNOCENTS that they perpetrated, and this is what he's thinking? If he comes within a hundred miles of apologizing for ONE SINGLE THING Americans did during that war, I swear I will pick my 60" television up by myself and throw it out the window.

re: #126 capitalist piglet

Yeah, isn't that something? The incredible, breathtaking suffering and death of INNOCENTS that they perpetrated, and this is what he's thinking? If he comes within a hundred miles of apologizing for ONE SINGLE THING Americans did during that war, I swear I will pick my 60" television up by myself and throw it out the window.

He can do whatever he wants, but when he starts apologizing for the US saving the fuckin' world in WWII...thats where I draw the line.

re: #124 newscaper

While I nodded in agreement with some of it, I have certainly never prayed for anyone to go to hell, nor would I.

re: #127 TheMatrix31

He can do whatever he wants, but when he starts apologizing for the US saving the fuckin' world in WWII...thats where I draw the line.

WWII veterans are dying off pretty quickly now. I guess he doesn't figure he'll need their votes in 2012. I would like to think their offspring would be paying attention.

re: #129 capitalist piglet

WWII veterans are dying off pretty quickly now. I guess he doesn't figure he'll need their votes in 2012. I would like to think their offspring would be paying attention.

Absolutely disgusting. How could ANYONE apologize for our actions and "recognize suffering" for the perpetrators of the most disgusting, violent, and deadly war in world history? Doesn't this ungrateful jerk realize that if it wasn't for D-Day and the Allies (mostly the country he claims to represent), then his scrawny ass wouldn't even SNIFF the position he's in right now?

I wonder If Obama is familiar with Reagan's visit to Bitburg.

Looks like Fannie Mae asking for another 19billion because they are a lynchpin in Obama's economic recovery plan and they fell 23 billion short the first quarter.

whooopsie!

FRUITCUP!

bbl...

re: #133 littleoldlady Your late :P

re: #133 littleoldlady

Thank you, lol!

re: #132 rustler

Wasn't it the band who said?,

"Take a load off Fannie, take a load for free;
Take a load off Fannie, And (and) (and) you can put the load right on me."

Oodgay Orningmay GFLay

re: #137 Spare O'Lake

Good morning, Spare O'Lake.

Re: #83
FNG to redc1c4

Come in redc1c4

You're coming in garbled. Got your green smoke.

What's your pod?

Please switch to 118.75 and say again...over.

FNG, over and out.

re: #136 BatGuano Something like that.

Sorry, off track somewhat, kinda focused on MAY one nine,

update...

"HEY CONAN"
ABCDEF-YOU!

There, that's better.

Thanks, you can return to the thread now...

The thread died some time ago.

re: #133 littleoldlady

yum...:}

re: #142 BatGuano Yeah looks like the FNG brokedead it.

Damn these nasty mid-shifts.

Takes the heart out of 2 working days and I only get paid for one!

Time to sleep..12 hour # 5 is coming in 3...2..1.

Bless ye lizards...

re: #144 rustler

This thread was coughing blood before the FNG. :)

Oh my . . . a quote from yet another person who's got that really, really broad brush thing down.
NO ONE I know prays for anyone to go to hell.

And when I look at the tremendously huge, vast cosmos, I think, "My God made all that."

re: #146 BatGuano

Being a well seasoned ER nurse, might I suggest 20 mg of moriphine intra-occular with an 18g needle...stat! That should fix the cough...
gotta go!

re: #147 pewboy

No one in Christendom wishes anyone goes to hell. Brin is resorting to stereotypes that really don't exist.

re: #148 nightwatch

Thanks. I'll go to my medicine cabinet.

Is there anybody out there?

re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Romulans?

re: #152 freetoken

Dude! Saw that yesterday. Was smashing good.

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this fine day?

re: #154 HoosierHoops

Celtics lost. Lakers won.

Nuff said.

re: #154 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this fine day?

Jays lost, Redsox won. Blech.

Gonna be a long yo-yo season.

re: #136 BatGuano

They did say, "Take the load off ANNIE."

re: #151 Fat Bastard VegetarianI recommend Pink Floyds Pulse DVD.

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw Star Trek yesterday. Was Star Trek club there complete with pointy ears, models, etc.

Reminded me of this...

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know. But fannie works better in the context. As Hendrix said "Excuse me while I kiss this guy"

re: #155 Iron Fist

Yes very good to see these cases being won in support of the 2nd amendment. These anti gun nuts are going to try and tax gun ownership out of existence if they can get away with it.

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw Star Trek yesterday. Was Star Trek club there complete with pointy ears, models, etc.

Reminded me of this...

What did you think of the Movie?

re: #164 HoosierHoops

Saw it Friday night. Won't give any spoilers...

It was not my cup of tea... but I am judging it from the viewpoint of someone who enjoys good acting over novel direction. I did not like the deus ex machina.

re: #164 HoosierHoops

Fantastic.

BTW do me a favor...go to posts two and three and ding your conscience. We had a rogue dinger.

re: #164 HoosierHoops

The first time I heard the phrase, " Get a life!"

Off to pay the crew. You folks up there in the midwest and east send some of that precipitation down our way. Seven months and counting of no measurable rainfall here in South Texas.
Have a great weekend all!

re: #165 freetoken

I really liked it. I thought the actors who did Spock and McCoy did very well.

re: #13 rain of lead

yes, but now zero has gotten away with rewriting bankruptcy laws
they now mean whatever he wants them too

Fortunately, precedent has no legal meaning outside of the rules. All it will take is for someone to stand up and demand their day in court over such treatment to determine that such tactics are not permissible.

The problem in this case was the lack of sufficient opposition; those opposing the offers being made were a small group holding a small percentage of the firm's debt. Once one or two of them rolled over, their total holdings dipped below 6%, which I guess is some sort of legal threshold as far as bankruptcy proceedings are concerned, and they simply didn't have enough oomph to have any impact on proceedings. At that point, continuing the fight was pointless from the standpoint of acting in their investor's best interests; all they would have been able to do was generate heat, with no light.

Another test may come up soon. 0 threatened to cut off stimulus funds for California if Arnold didn't rescind his order from February cutting state union pay. There's no clause in the Recovery Act permitting such a demand, the President doesn't make policy (that would be Congress) and if 0 wants such an action to take place he'll have to go back to Congress to get it unless Arnold rolls over. Back in Congress, any attempt to cut funding for California will run square up against Nancy Pelosi, who isn't likely to support such a move.

Hard to say whether Arnold will grow some stones and oppose this. And Pelosi has her own problems developing over the CIA briefings.

And even the media seems to be getting fed up with this heavy-handed thuggery. All four networks have cried "Foul!" over 0's never-ending "requests" for free air in the middle of prime time. Dragging this sort of behavior, which is rapidly becoming a pattern, out into the light of day is the best defense against it, and I would hope that the media will begin reporting on this aspect of the Administration even if it's for the craven reason that they're being affected by it themselves.

re: #162 BatGuano

Big ole Jed had a light on.

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Concur that those two actors pulled it off.

My disappointment was more in the overall story, and how the director/writer were sooo unoriginal.

Watching the Science channel..65% of all americans are overweight...

re: #173 freetoken

Uhura was so hawt!

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Watching the Science channel..65% of all americans are overweight...

Wo0t! Majority Rules!

Is there cake for celebration?

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

True of almost all women who ever had jobs on the bridge of the Enterprise.

re: #177 freetoken

I was talking about the actress in the new movie. WOWOWOWOW!

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wo0t! Majority Rules!

Is there cake for celebration?

LOL
The Science Channel is doing a special on eating too much

re: #179 HoosierHoops

So...there's no cake?

re: #105 Spiritualized

3 1/2 more years of this unbelievable bullshit:

Of Course... Obama Will Recognize German Suffering During D-Day Anniversary Events

Good Morning, Lizards.

Dresden, eh? While he's at it, he might want to visit Hamburg.

And on the way back, drop by Coventry, or Birmingham. Or if he wants to go the long way around, make a pit stop in Nanking. Or Singapore, Hong Kong, or Manila.

I find it truly fascinating that TOTUS can only get choked up about the suffering of people who were hammered because their leaders decided to go out of their way to start fights, and doesn't seem to care about the people in other countries who got it in the neck because those same leaders came down with a bad attack of "I'm destined to rule the world", and said people ended up on their s#!t list.

It almost makes me believe that he inverts everything in his head.

/We may have elected the Red Queen (from Through The Looking Glass) President.

cheers

eon

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So...there's no cake?

No Cake for you! LOL

Excellent quote, from a great author. Brin's Uplift series got a bit repetitive toward the end though.

Yes, Zoe Saldana.

Of all the female actors that have had parts on the bridge of an Enterprise, I prefer Jolene Blalock and Linda Park.

re: #184 freetoken

Yes, Zoe Saldana.

Of all the female actors that have had parts on the bridge of an Enterprise, I prefer Jolene Blalock and Linda Park.

Smoking Hot

They just compared 0bama to Spock on the Today Show. Seriously.

GAH!

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They just compared 0bama to Spock on the Today Show. Seriously.

GAH!

Closer to John Gill, from "Patterns of Force", actually. He really seems to believe that it is possible to use the tools of authoritarianism benignly.

/I'm wondering who's going to be playing Melakon.

cheers

eon

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They just compared 0bama to Spock on the Today Show. Seriously.

Oh, and it wasn't because of his ears.

Gotta run!

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotta run!

Have a great day!

Thinkin' of you
*oink*
Down in Mexico
*oink*
Feelin' free as the air
*oink*

So... Green Party, Constitution Party, Libertarian Party. Which one of them's gonna be replacing the GOP on its way out?

/also, good evening.

re: #192 laZardo

If the Constitution Party holds up to it's Ideals it would be my choice. I can't get behind anything "Green" and the Paulian party has no shot in hell.

Chuck Daly has passed away.

re: #193 Rustler

Dude... !

re: #192 laZardo

So... Green Party, Constitution Party, Libertarian Party. Which one of them's gonna be replacing the GOP on its way out?

/also, good evening.

Probably not the green party, but I can see a possible rise in Libertarianism thanks to Beck. The Republican party needs to get back to something like a "Contract with America" that was so influential in the past because the R label has become Democrat Lite. They have lost their way and have chosen their candidates poorly.

re: #196 songbird

I could probably see the Democrats actually moving a bit to the right as they get settled in, plus "accountability in government" is all the rage at least for the time being after Obama's election. There is still the stimulus-induced deficit, but that seems like a "necessary evil" given what the new administration inherited coming in.

That said, I asked the question mainly because I cannot possibly conceive the Republicans offering any other substantial alternative given their decline into obsolescence.

re: #195 freetoken
Yes? I'm in love with the constitution. Ron Paul has so totally ruined the libertarian party in my eyes that I couldn't vote for someone running under there name. The "green" movement has so completely ruined the meaning and purpose of going green that I find a party named after them completely untrustworthy. I'm all for not wasting resources and caring for the earth but not at the expense of the people living on it. And not at the words of the hypocritical leaders of the Green movement.

Originally ratified at the Green Party Convention in Denver, CO, June 2000.

TKV Flyer w/Spanish translation (PDF)

Democracy is Coming (to the USA) Brochure (PDF)

Platform

Links


1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives and not be subject to the will of another. Therefore, we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations which expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and opportunity to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment. We must consciously confront in ourselves, our organizations, and society at large, barriers such as racism and class oppression, sexism and homophobia, ageism and disability, which act to deny fair treatment and equal justice under the law.

3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature. We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society which utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must practice agriculture which replenishes the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments. We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

To be continued

re: #196 songbird

I'm starting to hear about the Whig Party. But I think we need to be careful as there's more than one Whig Party, I think it's Modern Whig party vs. American Whig Party or something like that.

I hope someone can correct me on this.

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on male domination of politics and economics. We call for the replacement of the cultural ethics of domination and control with more cooperative ways of interacting that respect differences of opinion and gender. Human values such as equity between the sexes, interpersonal responsibility, and honesty must be developed with moral conscience. We should remember that the process that determines our decisions and actions is just as important as achieving the outcome we want.

8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines.

We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity.

9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve their personal well-being and, at the same time, to enhance ecological balance and social harmony. We seek to join with people and organizations around the world to foster peace, economic justice, and the health of the planet.

10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be motivated by long-term goals. We seek to protect valuable natural resources, safely disposing of or “unmaking” all waste we create, while developing a sustainable economics that does not depend on continual expansion for survival. We must counterbalance the drive for short-term profits by assuring that economic development, new technologies, and fiscal policies are responsible to future generations who will inherit the results of our actions.

People that press Oppression Issues like women are still oppressed and Minorities are oppressed are naturally just allowing hte so called victims to continue believing htey are victims I can't stand behind that.

re: #199 Broomer

I'm starting to hear about the Whig Party. But I think we need to be careful as there's more than one Whig Party, I think it's Modern Whig party vs. American Whig Party or something like that.

I hope someone can correct me on this.

Ojoe can when he wakes up. He is our Modern Whig Party spokesman. ;)

re: #194 SasquatchOnSteroids

Chuck Daly has passed away.

Sorry to hear that. He did bring home the Gold.

re: #192 laZardo

So... Green Party, Constitution Party, Libertarian Party. Which one of them's gonna be replacing the GOP on its way out?

/also, good evening.

I'm betting on "none of the above". My best bud, the E-5 (who has friends who get seriously into this sort of thing, even more so than Lizards) is saying that the odds are in favor of a bunch of moderates bolting both major parties and starting up a third party. Sort of the way the original Democratic Republicans split over the issue of slavery in the 1830s, resulting in the Whigs, the forerunner of the modern Republicans. William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor and Millard Fillmore were all elected President as Whigs; Abraham Lincoln was the first to run as a Republican.

Generally, new major political parties are formed when a previously-existing one (or more) follow policies that alienate a sufficient number of their core constituencies to result in a philosophical break. It is very rare for complete outsiders (such as the Greens and Libertarians) to achieve major-party status. (In fact, the only examples I can think of offhand are Italy, 1922-43, and Germany, 1933-45.) Without a solid, and relatively large base, to start with, they don't go anywhere.

Right now, that "large base" isn't on any of the extremes in this country. It's right around the middle, what used to be called the "Silent Majority", who are pretty much fed up with not only the excesses of their leaders in both parties, but the arrogant dismissiveness and elitism of those on the left, and the dissembling and hypocrisy of those on the right.

Right now, both sides think they can exploit the center's dissatisfaction- not realizing that they, the two extremes, are what the center is most dissatisfied with. The last leader to make this mistake was one Oliver Cromwell. He started by beheading a king, and ended by causing a civil war. in the end, another king came along, who was at least marginally less incompetent than his predecessor, and Cromwell's crowd was sent packing. (Some of them to Plymouth, MA, by way of Rotterdam.)

The most likely outcome of either "extreme" trying to capitalize on the unrest at the center is not the center throwing in its lot with either one, or some fringe group gaining ascendancy. It's the center saying " A plague on both (or all) your houses- we're going into business for ourselves, and since you can't lead, you can either follow, or get the H**l out of the way."

And that's how new, major political parties are born. As for the Greens, etc., like the leadership of the left and right as a whole, they are increasingly coming to resemble the Know-Nothings. And they didn't get anywhere, either.

/just IMHO.

cheers

eon

re: #199 Broomer

In 1833-1834, the American Whig Party was founded by a number of former National Republicans, including John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay. The Whig Party was wholly opposed to the policies of president Andrew Jackson. Jackson was regarded by Whigs as an anti-modernization figure a man who would irreparably harm the development of the nascent United States. Whigs were especially opposed to Jackson’s unauthorized removal of deposits from the Bank of the United States, which killed the Bank. Eventually different Whig factions (southern and northern) rallied around economic policy that encouraged a larger government and a modern industrial economy.

From [Link: www.litencyc.com...]

Homepage of the Modern Whig Party.

Established in 1833, the Whigs are one of America's oldest mainstream political parties. We were the original party of Abraham Lincoln and four other U.S. Presidents.

Revived by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, the grassroots movement has quickly attracted tens of thousands of members. We represent moderate voters from all walks of life who cherry-pick between traditional Democratic and Republican ideals in what has been called the Modern Whig Philosophy.

Basically the Same thing American Whig party was it's original Incarnation in hte 1800's while the Modern Whig party came back to life as a result of returning Iraq/Afganistan Veterans.

Obama to reach out to Muslims in Egypt speech
Event to fulfill Obama campaign promise to speak to Muslims from Muslim city, but some take issue with choice of Egypt; Amnesty Int'l says content of speech more important than location, stresses focus should be on Israeli-Palestinian issue, human rights violations in region

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Every time I hear this, I want to puke.

re: #198 Rustler

Dude... the Constitution Party?

Violence Grows in Iraq as American Troops Withdraw
The Iraqi government is neglecting many of the successful counterinsurgency initiatives it is inheriting from the U.S. military.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Way to go Obama.

re: #205 Nevergiveup Charles did a whole thread on it yesterday. Different source tho I believe.

re: #203 eon

I suppose it brings to mind Orwell's Goldstein oligarchy theory. "From the High will splinter a new middle (from which the middle overthrew the old high), and the process repeats itself with the Low still pretty much where they are."

Mom Outraged by Son's Arrest Reportedly Knew of His Web Stardom for Phone Threats

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Mom and apple pie?

re: #209 Rustler

Charles did a whole thread on it yesterday. Different source tho I believe.

Yeah I saw, but as I said, every time I see it I still get sick to my stomach.

re: #208 Nevergiveup

It's not like we were supposed to be there in the first place.

/but now that we are, currently, we're supposed to be cleaning up the mess there anyhoo. Responsibility and all.

re: #213 laZardo

It's not like we were supposed to be there in the first place.

/but now that we are, currently, we're supposed to be cleaning up the mess there anyhoo. Responsibility and all.

But when you start announcing in advance that you are withdrawing and will basically wash your hands of the problems, this stuff is bound to happen. There really are smarter ways to disengage.

re: #207 freetoken From their webpage. Like I said if they stand by their stated principles.

Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:

1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;(this is iffy for me Govt has no business in hte private lives of it's citizens)
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.(The chain of alliances forged Pre WW1 was a large part of why the war spread so far but I do believe we still need Alliances)(protection of the borders, trade and Common defense I'm strongly behind tho.)

Wiki is a great first look at something but since anyone can edit a wiki page It can be suspect.

re: #207 freetoken
Was also based only on the 3 choices Lazardo supplied. I'd be more likely to join the Whigs than any other 3rd Party.

re: #215 Rustler

The Constitution Party (US, current) is correctly regarded as a fringe party that rivals, maybe even outdoes, Ron Paul. Which is probably why he endorsed their candidate, Chuck Baldwin in the last election.

Their principal support comes from the JBS and various neo-confederate types. Baldwin himself is one of the most theocratic candidates ever to have put his name on a US Presidential ballot.

If that is your schtick... don't be surprised if someday you run into trouble with some folk around here.

re: #216 Rustler

Don't be taken in by words on a list of "principles".

re: #216 Rustler

re: #217 freetoken

Just to clear up a couple things, I asked my #192 because I believe it's inevitable that someone's gonna have to fill that gap. I can see the Democrats themselves moving more to the center to try to avoid a major conservative backlash and to capitalize on the Republicans' catering to the fringe.

re: #208 Nevergiveup

Violence Grows in Iraq as American Troops Withdraw
The Iraqi government is neglecting many of the successful counterinsurgency initiatives it is inheriting from the U.S. military.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Way to go Obama.

Of course, if Maliki's government did follow the COIN procedures established under Gen. Petraeus... The One would quickly label him as a "human rights violator", and cut off aid. Plus probably demanding he bring his opponents into his government...

Oh, right. The One is already demanding that.

I have come to the conclusion that The One wants Iraq to go back to the Baathists, or a reasonable facsimile' thereof, to prove a "philosophical point". Much as the Dems of a generation ago cheered the "last helicopter out" withdrawal from the U. S. embassy in Saigon when South Vietnam fell to the NVA.

He will claim the "point" is the "limits of power". In actuality, the point will be "U.S. and Allies=Bad, Anyone Who Hates Same= Good".

The One is an almost perfect example of the "post-modern" intellectual, who has been educated almost beyond his capacity for understanding, and thus mistakes his prejudices (mainly against his fellow citizens) for incontrovertible facts. He wants to punish us for what he and his cronies see as our "hubris" (like he doesn't have any... right), and is perfectly willing to sacrifice anyone who is foolish enough to be on our side to achieve this.

Put simply, it's Ted Kennedy and South Vietnam, plus Jimmy Carter and Iran, all over again.

And I'm pretty sure Afghanistan is his next project along the same lines. (Just before he throws Israel all the way under the duals.) With Pakistan as the "trump card"- in the hands of people who really, really want to have the world to themselves. At any cost.

As for his endgame, I'm not sure. Because I'm pretty sure he simply hasn't thought that far ahead. All he knows is that he is on a self-appointed Holy Mission To Change The World.

But he's liable to be very surprised at what the final result looks like.

/rant mode off

cheers

eon

re: #217 freetoken
Never claimed it was my schtick. I stated based on the Principles of the 3 choices they would be my choice. If I moved to a 3rd party My choice would likely be the Whigs. And If people can't stand behind thier Principles they aren't really principles.

re: #219 laZardo

The Democrats will not be able to retain control of the House, Senate, and Presidency unless they serve the needs of their various constituencies. That is why, regardless of the talking points of some right-wing pundits and radio talkshow hosts, the Democrats will indeed moderate, or tone down, some of the more "progressive" agenda on which Obama ran his campaign.

We see it already happening in some of the spending bills (where port is trumping ideology), the climate bill, etc.

The US is, I believe polls show, still a pretty moderate nation on many, many topics. Extremes all over the place... but the center of gravity tends to be for slow change and cautious progressivism.

re: #220 eon

Mekes ya wonder how many people who voted for The One™ actually has Buyer's Remorse, doesn't it.

GOOD MORNING LIZARDS.

re: #213 laZardo

It's not like we were supposed to be there in the first place.

/but now that we are, currently, we're supposed to be cleaning up the mess there anyhoo. Responsibility and all.

Also, in a strategic sense, saying we should "never have gone in" is sort of like saying that after 7 Dec 1941, we should have restricted our attentions to Japan, and ignored Germany and Italy.

Ditto for the now oft-quoted idea that "small countries pose no threat to us." The Axis Powers were, singly, relatively small, but collectively, a pretty large threat. And the problem with asymmetric warfare is that the size of your opponent's GNP, or even his standing army, is no real index of his ability to inflict unacceptable losses on you, especially if he's willing to take the casualties to do it. (And to our present OPFOR, "casualties= Glorious Martyrdom.")

The bottom line is, when somebody else decides the world isn't big enough for you and him, you have two choices. Agree with him, and go quietly into the night. Or kick the living h**l out of him, anywhere and everywhere you can.

I didn't say either one was a good choice. They're just the only two options in the only game in town.

cheers

eon

re: #223 freetoken

That should have been "pork", not "port".

re: #225 eon

And the world isn't big enough for the West and Islam to share. I vote for US. Therefore...

re: #227 Macker

And the world isn't big enough for the West and Islam to share. I vote for US. Therefore...

Some how I doubt that is what Obama is gonna say in Egypt on June 5th? He should, but he will not. Sigh.

re: #225 eon

Japan and Germany were both heavily industrialized and militarized at the time, naturally they would have posed a very substantial threat given their alliance was very overt.

Thing is, the majority of the basis of the invasion of Iraq and its respective UN Mandate was a search for WMDs that basically turned up fruitless (oil conspiracies regardless). With that search technically over, that leaves the searching power to basically clean up the mess they made and leave.

As for links to different countries/organizations, this time around the web is a lot more complex...

re: #229 Nevergiveup

Some how I doubt that is what Obama is gonna say in Egypt on June 5th? He should, but he will not. Sigh.

And I'll bet he even won't ask the Muslims to Unclench their Fists either.

Great quote, Charles!
Good morning lizards... hows' it hangin'?

re: #234 taxfreekiller

re: #232 taxfreekiller

What is, the noun-verb-YOU! reversal?

re: #223 freetoken

The Democrats will not be able to retain control of the House, Senate, and Presidency unless they serve the needs of their various constituencies. That is why, regardless of the talking points of some right-wing pundits and radio talkshow hosts, the Democrats will indeed moderate, or tone down, some of the more "progressive" agenda on which Obama ran his campaign.

We see it already happening in some of the spending bills (where port is trumping ideology), the climate bill, etc.

The US is, I believe polls show, still a pretty moderate nation on many, many topics. Extremes all over the place... but the center of gravity tends to be for slow change and cautious progressivism.

The only flaw in that reasoning is that the Dems may not agree with you on exactly who their "core constituencies" are. From what I've seen, the Dems' leadership class regard the likes of DailyKos, HuffPo, MoveOn.org, the Earth Firsters, the "kill and eat the gun owners", "no nukes", etc., etc., crowd as their "core constituencies". And it's not like anyone they normally associate with (the cocktail-party intellectuals, the MSM, etc.) are going to tell them different.

As for those polls, Jimmy Carter was famous for sending back polls, or even official reports, that came up with results he didn't like with "Not Acceptable" across them in red Flair pen. From what I've seen, this lot is even less likely to accept results that conflict with their dogmas, let alone modify their behavior accordingly.

In the end, they will probably meet the same fate as the Carterites did in 1980. for roughly the same reasons. But only after they have succeeded in doing tremendous damage to us.

All in the name of "doing what's right", of course.

cheers

eon

Still nothing from the Geller and Spencer circus, I see.

If Bruce Bawer is wrong and their position is the right one, then why aren't they defending it?
Cowards.

re: #230 laZardo

Japan and Germany were both heavily industrialized and militarized at the time, naturally they would have posed a very substantial threat given their alliance was very overt.

Makes you wonder what if the Allies had LOST WWII to the Axis, and eventually the Japs and Krauts would eventually go at it. What would be the result...a burned-out cinder perhaps?

Good morning y'all - from a warm (72 degrees, going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Of course, the weather forecast is for heavy T-storms late this afternoon and heavier T-Storms, hail and possibly tornados this evening!
Sigh.

So how is everyone doing this morning?

re: #236 eon

You mean it's not "For The Children"?

/

Lizards may look lazy when basking in the sun...
Beware the giant trilobites

re: #238 irish rose

What if Pam and Robert were too busy going at it?

re: #181 eon

Good Morning, Lizards.

Dresden, eh? While he's at it, he might want to visit Hamburg.

And on the way back, drop by Coventry, or Birmingham. Or if he wants to go the long way around, make a pit stop in Nanking. Or Singapore, Hong Kong, or Manila.

I find it truly fascinating that TOTUS can only get choked up about the suffering of people who were hammered because their leaders decided to go out of their way to start fights, and doesn't seem to care about the people in other countries who got it in the neck because those same leaders came down with a bad attack of "I'm destined to rule the world", and said people ended up on their s#!t list.

It almost makes me believe that he inverts everything in his head.

/We may have elected the Red Queen (from Through The Looking Glass) President.

cheers

eon

It's bothering me too. Why to mix morally aggressors and victims of d same actions?
Think something is very sick in vast parts of Western culture. Extremely & especially with this yours new administration.

re: #237 taxfreekiller

The guy who was thrown under the Obama bus this week on the Air Force one deal, he is representative of what will happen to any one who in any way stands in the way of the prime directive of the redistribution of your earnings and property.

The will be no moderation allowed.

I'm not having any luck seeing how Caldera's resignation ties in with standing in the way of redistribution of earnings and property, or with intolerance of moderation.

re: #238 irish rose

Still nothing from the Geller and Spencer circus, I see.

If Bruce Bawer is wrong and their position is the right one, then why aren't they defending it?
Cowards.

I suspect they've chosen to keep their agenda quiet from now on, rather than continuing to attract attention to it.

That doesn't mean their agenda has changed at all. Just that it's going to be underground and harder to detect.

re: #237 taxfreekiller

The guy who was thrown under the Obama bus this week on the Air Force one deal, he is representative of what will happen to any one who in any way stands in the way of the prime directive of the redistribution of your earnings and property.

The will be no moderation allowed.

Ask Barama Spock. He would find it logical.

re: #247 Macker

Oops. Barack Spock. My bad.

re: #243 Macker
OY! Macker! That is NOT an image to put - however briefly - in lizards minds at this hour of the day! Please, think of us older/younger lizards!

re: #230 laZardo

Japan and Germany were both heavily industrialized and militarized at the time, naturally they would have posed a very substantial threat given their alliance was very overt.

Thing is, the majority of the basis of the invasion of Iraq and its respective UN Mandate was a search for WMDs that basically turned up fruitless (oil conspiracies regardless). With that search technically over, that leaves the searching power to basically clean up the mess they made and leave.

As for links to different countries/organizations, this time around the web is a lot more complex...

Agreed. I credit our enemies with noticing that if they take the field against us in open combat, on land, at sea, or in the air, or have an easily-definable infrastructure, they will lose because our war-fighting capability is very well designed to destroy exactly that kind of opposition. (Consider not just WW II, but both Iraq wars.) However, as long as they can prevent us from bringing them to such a "set-piece" battle, hide among civilians, and most importantly co-opt our own "intellectual Persians" who share their revulsion for our culture, they can win in the long run, by simply waiting for us to elect someone like The One, who will (they believe) "give them what they want" in the hopes that they will just go away.

What makes this especially useful for them is that The One simply does not understand what they really want, and would not believe it if he did. Besides, he's too busy trying to accomplish what he wants, to feed his own ego.

/As the old saying goes, "I would rather fight a hundred fools than have one on my side".

cheers

eon

re: #242 Attaboid

Lizards may look lazy when basking in the sun...
Beware the giant trilobites

Whoa - sweet find. Trilobites a yard long, and a whole gaggle of them.

Or whatever you call a group of trilobites.

re: #250 eon

When Iran is STUPID enough to test their firsr nuclear bomb on Tel Aviv or any other Western City, then the pieces will be set.
___ DELENDA EST.

re: #239 Macker

Makes you wonder what if the Allies had LOST WWII to the Axis, and eventually the Japs and Krauts would eventually go at it. What would be the result...a burned-out cinder perhaps?

Sounds like the plot of an anime. >___> A lot of obsession with alternate histories these days.

re: #240 realwest

How do you think?

/gangster face

// c:

re: #241 Macker

You mean it's not "For The Children"?

/

Whenever a politician wishes to lie most egregiously, he holds up a child.

-Robert Heinlein, I believe.

And with that, I have to go.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

re: #253 laZardo

Sounds like the plot of an anime. >___> A lot of obsession with alternate histories these days.

Actually, my fascination with alternate history stems from the time I was going through the divorce with my ex. As in I wish I hadn't married the bitch.

N. Korea says dialogue with S. Korea out of question

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

But I thought peace was suppose to break out all over the world?

re: #252 Macker
What pieces will be set? And what makes you think they'll still be an Iran for us to do anything about?

re: #255 eon

Whenever a politician wishes to lie most egregiously, he holds up a child.

-Robert Heinlein, I believe.

If I could give you 1,000 updings I would!