'Pro-Koln' Fascist Update - Day Two Another Bust

‘Pro-Koln’ Fascist Update - Day Two Another Bust

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The gathering of Eurofascist groups (including representatives from Belgium’s Vlaams Belang and France’s Front National) billing itself as the “Pro-Köln Anti-Islamization Congress” had another disastrous day today, with only around 150 demonstrators showing up (many from Belgium and the Czech Republic) — vastly outnumbered by about 4,000 counter-demonstrators: Colorful Cologne defends itself against the right.

LGF’s agent in Europe reports that T-shirts worn by the pro-Köln demonstrators bore slogans such as: “Your gallows are already timbered,” and “German - proud - loyalty.” Too bad Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller backed out of attending (even though they continue to defend the conference).

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151 comments

Summersong Sat, May 9, 2009 1:08:27pm

You did them a favor by exposing the rot. None of us will hold our breath on a thank you from either of them, however.

Sharmuta Sat, May 9, 2009 1:08:41pm

Nelson

Desert Dog Sat, May 9, 2009 1:09:22pm

It could not have happened to a nicer bunch of racists bastards. Read the writing on the wall - NOBODY wants you around.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:11:35pm

Day Two Another Bust

A boob thread already?!
*reading further*
OH, I see ... that's right ... it's about THOSE boobs.

Shug Sat, May 9, 2009 1:12:19pm

No amount of Cologne can cover up the stink of these people

Desert Dog Sat, May 9, 2009 1:12:50pm

We have some footage of the event now:

Youtube Video

wrenchwench Sat, May 9, 2009 1:14:21pm

The rally, to defeat the ultra-right wing, like a bunch of scattered astray effect.

I enjoy auto-translators.

Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 1:15:44pm

The autotranslation is a little goofy but it doesn't appear the European MSM is very friendly to Pro-Köln.

Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 1:19:04pm

Last one out turn off the lights........

Zo to RINOs: No, seriously, leave the party (video)

Charles Johnson Sat, May 9, 2009 1:19:18pm

re: #1 Summersong

You did them a favor by exposing the rot. None of us will hold our breath on a thank you from either of them, however.

Next time they try to sneak away to something like this, I'll stay quiet until they're actually there.

MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 1:20:12pm

Common sense seems to be triumphing in Europe. A curious yet welcome development for rational people everywhere!

Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 1:20:14pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Ugh, his ignorance on economics is appalling.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:21:00pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

From Dawn datelined "Sunday 10th":

Up to 15,000 troops have been pitched against between 4,000 to 5,000 battle-hardened militants in the valley, where residents say insurgents hold sway in most parts.

"Up to" ... oh crap!

I've seen this figure before today. If it's reliable ....

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:22:07pm

re: #10 Charles

Next time they try to sneak away to something like this, I'll stay quiet until they're actually there.

Do that. It's not like they haven't had a shot across the bow.

Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 1:22:18pm

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Up to 15,000 troops have been pitched against between 4,000 to 5,000 battle-hardened militants in the valley, where residents say insurgents hold sway in most parts.

Wow, this is going to be really bad.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:24:40pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wow, this is going to be really bad.

Futher down in the article:

The military spokesman said militants’ resistance in Buner had considerably reduced. However, they were maintaining their positions at Sultanwas and Pir Baba.

Yesterday and the day before, there were reports that many residents were being trapped inside Pir Baba -- apparently by the Taliban.

Ojoe Sat, May 9, 2009 1:24:45pm

re: #10 Charles

Blammo!

Charles Johnson Sat, May 9, 2009 1:25:36pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Last one out turn off the lights........

Zo to RINOs: No, seriously, leave the party (video)

Hey, great idea! Let's drive out the rest of the sane people!

Over the first four months of 2009, the Republican Party has continued to lose adherents. Interviews with over 7,000 respondents nationwide so far this year found fewer than a quarter (23%) of the combined total identifying themselves as Republicans. This is down from 25% in 2008, and from 30% in 2004. In total, the GOP has lost roughly a quarter of its base over the past five years.

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 1:26:14pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wow, this is going to be really bad.

the Pakis will break alot of stuff and displace alot of people yet not defeat the Talis decisively....they do not have the will to win imo...too long and too hard

Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #18 Charles

The message is pretty clear they want the moderates out or the party. Although I was never a Republican I was a Republican leaner. I've taken the hint and left.

Ojoe Sat, May 9, 2009 1:29:55pm

re: #18 Charles

Democrat and Republican self identification are both down. Then the primary system lets the fringe have even more control.
Time for a center party, I think.

Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 1:31:31pm

re: #21 Ojoe

Those graphs are pretty damning. The Dems are actually doing pretty good.

MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 1:32:59pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wow, this is going to be really bad.

Pakistan is the linchpin in the region and the Taliban knows it. It could get real ugly real fast and it probably will. I hope that I'm wrong, but I fear that I'm right.

SteveC Sat, May 9, 2009 1:33:26pm

The market for right wing lunacy is down this week, you just can't sell that crap anywhere!

Summersong Sat, May 9, 2009 1:33:28pm

re: #10 Charles

Next time they try to sneak away to something like this, I'll stay quiet until they're actually there.

Understood!

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:33:47pm

re: #19 albusteve

the Pakis will break alot of stuff and displace alot of people yet not defeat the Talis decisively....they do not have the will to win imo...too long and too hard

More complex than that. The regular Army has to carefully consider the lengths to which it can go. Pathans/Pashtuns are a large percentage of the Army, and many are (to one degree or another) sympathetic to the Taliban.

My hunch is, if a clear-cut case can be made to the rank and file that the Taliban violated the Malakand Accord (which, in fact, they did), then more aggressive action is possible. Still, the Pak Army can't be counted upon to go on an all-out, no-holds-barred offensive.

Ojoe Sat, May 9, 2009 1:34:15pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Doing less poorly.

BBL

Spiritualized Sat, May 9, 2009 1:35:02pm

4,000 counter-demonstrators

....Who were probably waving Hamas/Hizbollah flags in january with nary a hint of irony.

Saudi flag in the background here. I'm not sure there's anybody to root for in this article.

callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 1:35:42pm

re: #11 MacDuff

Common sense seems to be triumphing in Europe. A curious yet welcome development for rational people everywhere!

Not quite, this bloke for example is a muslim convert who is himself pretty extreme, IIRC.
Don't know where I read something about him, would anyway be in German.
Off to search the intarwebs.

Render Sat, May 9, 2009 1:36:12pm

On Pakistan -

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===

On political parties -

That Modern Whig party is starting to look mighty damn appealing.

COMMON
SENSE,
R

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:36:25pm

OMG!
ANOTHER one from Dawn today:

WASHINGTON: Pakistan has told the Obama administration that it is sending additional six army brigades to join a major government offensive against the Taliban, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.

The troops are being moved west from the Indian border in Pakistan’s Punjab province, the report added.

THAT's something I didn't expect to see!

SteveC Sat, May 9, 2009 1:36:33pm

re: #28 Spiritualized

....Who were probably waving Hamas/Hizbollah flags in january with nary a hint of irony.

Saudi flag in the background here. I'm not sure there's anybody to root for in this article.

Bad Guys and Bad In A Different Way Guys?

IslandLibertarian Sat, May 9, 2009 1:37:02pm

Well, I see the world is still turning, and the Euro-Thugs are still spewing their venom.......but it's good to be home........and I brought some tranquility with me to share..........even if I'm time zoned out.............

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:37:53pm

Good for the counter-protestors. I bet they have really good t-shirts.

Render Sat, May 9, 2009 1:38:43pm

re: #31 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Leading Pak units of that move have already arrived - and been beaten by the Talib, leaving brand new top of the line Pak armor burnt out and abandoned in Swat.

NOT
GOING
WELL,
R

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:38:58pm

Sorry about the too-early Pak-related OT.
/got carried away

A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 9, 2009 1:39:58pm

Dear Charles..
We have a Conservative Governor in Indiana.. His name is Mitch Daniels..
He seems to be wicked smart in Financial issues, pretty good guy, Pro-Science and education..He has been elected twice..What do you think of him?
( I went to Reggie Miller's retirement game and Daniels was Boo'ed at an ear shattering level..They hate him in Indy..But he is loved state wide.)
Hope today finds you well...

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:40:13pm

re: #35 Render

Leading Pak units of that move have already arrived - and been beaten by the Talib, leaving brand new top of the line Pak armor burnt out and abandoned in Swat.

NOT
GOING
WELL,
R

Goddamn. Haven't these guys been gearing up to take on India for decades? What the hell goes on that they're getting beaten up by a bunch of peasant fanatics?

SteveC Sat, May 9, 2009 1:40:25pm

re: #36 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry about the too-early Pak-related OT.
/got carried away

No problem! I know too little about either subject, so for me it's all good!

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:40:36pm

re: #36 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry about the too-early Pak-related OT.
/got carried away

We love you anyway.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:41:02pm

re: #35 Render

Leading Pak units of that move have already arrived - and been beaten by the Talib, leaving brand new top of the line Pak armor burnt out and abandoned in Swat.

NOT
GOING
WELL,
R

(I.WILL.REFRAIN.FROM.SAYING "heh" ... easily misinterpreted)

StillAMarine Sat, May 9, 2009 1:42:54pm

re: #18 Charles

I am becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the Creationist, ultra-religious and far right point of view that many see as the "Republican" platform.
Yeah, put some loony creationist as the Republican candidate for 2012, and guarantee that the leftist moonbats will have another four years to destroy the United States.
Please pardon my excess of beer while crafting this post.

Render Sat, May 9, 2009 1:43:41pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

How many of those counter-protesters are hard core Leftist?

We need to do what the Europeans do not seem to be capable of; form a moderate political movement.

One that will leave the extremists of both sides to refight the battle of Stalingrad in hell for eternity - without the rest of us.

Extremely counter extremist.

SOME
SUCH,
R

callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 1:44:57pm

re: #29 callahan23

Not quite, this bloke for example is a muslim convert who is himself pretty extreme, IIRC.
Don't know where I read something about him, would anyway be in German.
Off to search the intarwebs.

Of course Pierre Vogel is a creationist!
And surely he brought his muslim cohorts to the anti-Pro-Köln rally.
His t-shirt reads "Muslim who's at home here. Which is good [Cologne dialect]".

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #39 SteveC

No problem! I know too little about either subject, so for me it's all good!

Inhabit this website, check out the archives, do searches. It's authoritative.

re: #30 Render

On Pakistan -
[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]
R

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:46:43pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Goddamn. Haven't these guys been gearing up to take on India for decades? What the hell goes on that they're getting beaten up by a bunch of peasant fanatics?

They've been trained to fight a different kind of war.

Sharmuta Sat, May 9, 2009 1:47:02pm

I'm amused at the tone usually used in calling the counter-protesters "anti-fascist". Like that's a bad thing.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:48:26pm

re: #43 Render

How many of those counter-protesters are hard core Leftist?

We need to do what the Europeans do not seem to be capable of; form a moderate political movement.

One that will leave the extremists of both sides to refight the battle of Stalingrad in hell for eternity - without the rest of us.

Extremely counter extremist.

SOME
SUCH,
R

I honestly don't know who turns out for such an event in Cologne. And I completely agree with you--the moderate and the sane need to unite.

But it's Victory Over Fascism Day today, (nice irony for the conference) so I raise a toast to the defenders of Stalingrad, even if their leaders were evil bastards.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:49:05pm

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They've been trained to fight a different kind of war.

Apparently. Cripes.

Render Sat, May 9, 2009 1:50:03pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

They haven't changed their armored tactics since the debacles of 1965 and 1971. They make the same mistakes every single time. They send in the tanks without infantry support. They do not quickly follow up their artillery and air strikes. They don't seem to use their air and artillery pre-offensive, rather they tend to use it to cover the retreats of the shattered armored units after the offensive has failed.

LEARNED
NOTHING,
R

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 1:51:03pm

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They've been trained to fight a different kind of war.

they are not Americans or Brits or Aussie....everyone else is a distant third rate...the Pakis are gonna get their asses kicked and they know it....bad juju

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:51:43pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

I'm amused at the tone usually used in calling the counter-protesters "anti-fascist". Like that's a bad thing.

I went with friends to see "Cradle Will Rock" in the theater, some years ago. At some point, a woman tells her colleagues "You know there are Communists working here. You know there are anti-fascists among you."

My friend the computer engineering major leans over and whispers to me "What's wrong with being anti-fascist?"

I whispered back "It's 1937."

"Yeah, and?"

"Later. At dinner."

"Well, okaaaaay."

A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 9, 2009 1:52:02pm

Congratulations to Jim Rice.. He got elected to the Hall of Fame this year.
I saw him once on a Tuesday night..Half price at Candlestick..I think it was 5 dollar night..What a stud..
Congrads Jim...You are why we still love baseball...

MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 1:52:30pm

re: #29 callahan23

Not quite, this bloke for example is a muslim convert who is himself pretty extreme, IIRC.
Don't know where I read something about him, would anyway be in German.
Off to search the intarwebs.

Well, perhaps I was engaging in a bit of wishful thinking; I would like to hope that Europe would have a broader choice than Islamofascism and Eurofascism.

Alas, if that's the choice, I'll vote "present".

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:52:32pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently. Cripes.

Having said my immediate-earlier ... the Pathan is a tough fighter.

/I use "Pathan", from the Hindu and British, instead of the perhaps more-inclusive "Pashtun" ---- loyalty to Kipling and numerous British war movies.

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:52:56pm

re: #50 Render

They haven't changed their armored tactics since the debacles of 1965 and 1971. They make the same mistakes every single time. They send in the tanks without infantry support. They do not quickly follow up their artillery and air strikes. They don't seem to use their air and artillery pre-offensive, rather they tend to use it to cover the retreats of the shattered armored units after the offensive has failed.

LEARNED
NOTHING,
R

We're giving them money, aren't we giving them advisors as well? Do they not want to work with us?

(Thanks for info, I'm having a steep learning curve on this.)

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 1:53:51pm

re: #54 MacDuff

Well, perhaps I was engaging in a bit of wishful thinking; I would like to hope that Europe would have a broader choice than Islamofascism and Eurofascism.

Alas, if that's the choice, I'll vote "present".

To quote the great Alan Lupo, "I keep praying for multiple choice."

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:54:09pm

re: #50 Render

They haven't changed their armored tactics since the debacles of 1965 and 1971. They make the same mistakes every single time. They send in the tanks without infantry support. They do not quickly follow up their artillery and air strikes. They don't seem to use their air and artillery pre-offensive, rather they tend to use it to cover the retreats of the shattered armored units after the offensive has failed.

LEARNED
NOTHING,
R

Erwin, where are you? We know some people who desperately need you.

Catttt Sat, May 9, 2009 1:54:48pm

I love this caption, translated into English from German, on the Cologne demos:
A counter-demonstrators by a policewoman to the ground and hold.

callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 1:54:58pm

re: #54 MacDuff

Well, perhaps I was engaging in a bit of wishful thinking; I would like to hope that Europe would have a broader choice than Islamofascism and Eurofascism.

Alas, if that's the choice, I'll vote "present".

I hope to be voting "absent" in the future as I plan on leaving 'old Europe'.

Dustyvet Sat, May 9, 2009 1:55:56pm

re: #55 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Having said my immediate-earlier ... the Pathan is a tough fighter.

/I use "Pathan", from the Hindu and British, instead of the perhaps more-inclusive "Pashtun" ---- loyalty to Kipling and numerous British war movies.

Small miseries, like small debts, hit us in so many places, and meet us at so many turns and corners, that what they want in weight, they make up in number, and render it less hazardous to stand the fire of one cannon ball, than a volley composed of such a shower of bullets.
Rudyard Kipling

subsailor68 Sat, May 9, 2009 1:56:14pm

re: #58 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Erwin, where are you? We know some people who desperately need you.

Ah yes! "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!" (George C. Scott, Patton)

_RememberTonyC Sat, May 9, 2009 1:56:37pm

with apologies to gerry rafferty and stealer's wheel ...

"islamists to the left of me, nazis to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with Jews."

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

We're giving them money, aren't we giving them advisors as well? Do they not want to work with us?

(Thanks for info, I'm having a steep learning curve on this.)

I'm not as up-to-speed on recent history as Render, but I do know that the Pathan is very proud. Perhaps (perhaps) the pride has gotten in the way of learning.

Dustyvet Sat, May 9, 2009 1:58:44pm

re: #62 subsailor68

Ah yes! "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!" (George C. Scott, Patton)

Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind.
Rudyard Kipling

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 1:58:51pm

re: #62 subsailor68

Ah yes! "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!" (George C. Scott, Patton)

armor is a death trap to the Pakis...can only go certain places and no room to maneuver in strength....targets

callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 1:58:56pm

re: #63 _RememberTonyC

with apologies to gerry rafferty and stealer's wheel ...

"islamists to the left of me, nazis to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with Jews."

Exactly my point. GMTA I guess ;-)
See my:

re: #44 callahan23

opnion Sat, May 9, 2009 2:00:06pm

Good afternoon. I have read that the component parts of the Paki nukes are dispersed. Anybody know anything about that?

_RememberTonyC Sat, May 9, 2009 2:00:40pm

re: #67 callahan23

Exactly my point. GMTA I guess ;-)
See my:

re: #44 callahan23

indeed we do

subsailor68 Sat, May 9, 2009 2:01:40pm

re: #66 albusteve

armor is a death trap to the Pakis...can only go certain places and no room to maneuver in strength....targets

I'm no expert on armor, so I'll defer to ya on that one. Makes sense that the mountainous terrain of Pakistan would be a pretty big obstacle. (Not sure what the terrain in the Swat valley is though.)

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:01:43pm

re: #51 albusteve

everyone else is a distant third rate

Just sayin', and saying with respect ... I suggest being careful with the "everyone else is". It depends upon a lot of factors.

For example, in North Africa, Rommel considered the Italian Bersaglieri and paratroop divisions to be the equals of his Germans. Little known fact which flies in the face of what was then the conventional wisdom

Dustyvet Sat, May 9, 2009 2:02:38pm

For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen.
Douglas Adams

SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 9, 2009 2:03:11pm

re: #63 _RememberTonyC

with apologies to gerry rafferty and stealer's wheel ...

"islamists to the left of me, nazis to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with Jews."

Jeez, that's it, innit?

_RememberTonyC Sat, May 9, 2009 2:04:11pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

Jeez, that's it, innit?

sadly, yes

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 2:04:15pm

re: #70 subsailor68

I'm no expert on armor, so I'll defer to ya on that one. Makes sense that the mountainous terrain of Pakistan would be a pretty big obstacle. (Not sure what the terrain in the Swat valley is though.)

tanks eat alot of fuel...it has to come from somewhere..probably right up that road right there...

A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 9, 2009 2:04:33pm

re: #65 Dustyvet

Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind.
Rudyard Kipling

Often..Those words break my back..
The weight cannot be held or surveyed...

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:05:01pm

re: #62 subsailor68

Ah yes! "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!" (George C. Scott, Patton)

heh, the book cover shown in the movie had a different title from the one which Rommel wrote. Rommel's book was (something like) "The Infantry Attacks". Had nothing to do with tanks, as shown in the film. Rommel was an infantry commander on the Austro-Italian front in WWI.

MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 2:05:10pm

re: #60 callahan23

I hope to be voting "absent" in the future as I plan on leaving 'old Europe'.

I can't blame you, though the sickness from which Europe suffers does not seem to recognize borders.

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 2:05:17pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just sayin', and saying with respect ... I suggest being careful with the "everyone else is". It depends upon a lot of factors.

For example, in North Africa, Rommel considered the Italian Bersaglieri and paratroop divisions to be the equals of his Germans. Little known fact which flies in the face of what was then the conventional wisdom

who is capable of taking on the Taliban?

Dustyvet Sat, May 9, 2009 2:05:54pm

If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give 'em a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.

Douglas Adams

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:06:02pm

re: #70 subsailor68

I'm no expert on armor, so I'll defer to ya on that one. Makes sense that the mountainous terrain of Pakistan would be a pretty big obstacle. (Not sure what the terrain in the Swat valley is though.)

Generally mountainous. It's in the Hindu Kush.

Nevergiveup Sat, May 9, 2009 2:08:11pm

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Generally mountainous. It's in the Hindu Kush.

I wonder how napalm would work?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:09:05pm

re: #79 albusteve

who is capable of taking on the Taliban?

Don't get me started. Haven't the time.
High-mobility light infantry.
Exceptional intelligence.
The Black Flag.

/10 or 12 regiments like the Australian SAS would do nicely

Desert Dog Sat, May 9, 2009 2:09:11pm

re: #79 albusteve

who is capable of taking on the Taliban?

The USArmy and Marines could engage and destroy the Taliban if so ordered to do so. They are reduced to sniping at the ankles and hit and runs when they do meet our boys. The Pakistan Army is not the US Army

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 2:09:16pm

re: #82 Nevergiveup

I wonder how napalm would work?

callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 2:09:27pm

re: #78 MacDuff

I can't blame you, though the sickness from which Europe suffers does not seem to recognize borders.

Sure, yet there is fundamental differences regarding individual liberties et.al. that convinced me at last to try this big step.

BlueCanuck Sat, May 9, 2009 2:10:01pm

re: #70 subsailor68

I'm no expert on armor, so I'll defer to ya on that one. Makes sense that the mountainous terrain of Pakistan would be a pretty big obstacle. (Not sure what the terrain in the Swat valley is though.)

Well, if all else fails Google Maps will help. :)

/spelt Mongora though...
//might have to zoom out a bit.

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 2:10:04pm

re: #84 Desert Dog

The USArmy and Marines could engage and destroy the Taliban if so ordered to do so. They are reduced to sniping at the ankles and hit and runs when they do meet our boys. The Pakistan Army is not the US Army

the question was who besides the three countries I listed

Desert Dog Sat, May 9, 2009 2:10:06pm

re: #82 Nevergiveup

I wonder how napalm would work?

Not so good when the bad guys hide behind women and children

BlueCanuck Sat, May 9, 2009 2:10:48pm

re: #87 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, lets try this again....

albusteve Sat, May 9, 2009 2:10:54pm

re: #85 albusteve

bad fu...not gonna happen

subsailor68 Sat, May 9, 2009 2:11:11pm

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Generally mountainous. It's in the Hindu Kush.

"Mountainous? Very well. Send in the St. Bernards."

Field Marshall Smedley St. Piddlewick. (The field marshall was relieved shortly after issuing this command, and was replaced by a used tennis ball.)

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:11:14pm

re: #82 Nevergiveup

I wonder how napalm would work?

Forget this weapon or that.
Think tactics.
The Taliban (and its big-sister force, al Qaida's Shadow Army) are guerrillas.

BlueCanuck Sat, May 9, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #90 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, lets try this again....

*sigh* My geek-fu isn't that good today. :p

/third time is the charm. :)

callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 2:12:47pm

re: #88 albusteve

the question was who besides the three countries I listed

Ah, you mean some special units like Golani etc.?
/ Oh, forgot the juice are not allowed in RoP-land.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:14:05pm

re: #92 subsailor68

"Mountainous? Very well. Send in the St. Bernards."

Field Marshall Smedley St. Piddlewick. (The field marshall was relieved shortly after issuing this command, and was replaced by a used tennis ball.)

You collared me on that one -- got me over a barrel.

Nevergiveup Sat, May 9, 2009 2:14:54pm

TB kicking the shit outa BOS 7-1 in the 5th

Mithrax Sat, May 9, 2009 2:15:24pm

re: #97 Nevergiveup

TB kicking the shit outa BOS 7-1 in the 5th

bless you! upding for that!

A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 9, 2009 2:16:02pm

re: #98 Mithrax

bless you! upding for that!

LOL

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_RememberTonyC Sat, May 9, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #97 Nevergiveup

TB kicking the shit outa BOS 7-1 in the 5th

was the really necessary?

;)

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_RememberTonyC Sat, May 9, 2009 2:17:06pm

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

PIMF was "that" really necessary?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:19:25pm

re: #88 albusteve

the question was who besides the three countries I listed

I suspect Pakistan has commandos who could make a dent.
I also expect they'll be kept facing India.

Pakistan and India, India and Pakistan, are glued to each other. Break that fixation (somehow) and it would free Pakistan to deal with its western border.

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subsailor68 Sat, May 9, 2009 2:21:00pm

Must go. Hope everyone here has a wonderful weekend!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, May 9, 2009 2:21:19pm

bbl

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Mithrax Sat, May 9, 2009 2:21:22pm

re: #102 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I suspect Pakistan has commandos who could make a dent.
I also expect they'll be kept facing India.

Pakistan and India, India and Pakistan, are glued to each other. Break that fixation (somehow) and it would free Pakistan to deal with its western border.

Actually, India should tell Pakistan to go for it. That way, if Pakistan gets mauled a little, India has a stronger hand.

If Pakistan wins, then the Taliban are dealt with and India still has a stronger hand: India has conciliated good will AND had a potentially dangerous situation eliminated.

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Nevergiveup Sat, May 9, 2009 2:22:03pm

re: #102 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I suspect Pakistan has commandos who could make a dent.
I also expect they'll be kept facing India.

Pakistan and India, India and Pakistan, are glued to each other. Break that fixation (somehow) and it would free Pakistan to deal with its western border.

No problem, just as soon as Pakistan converts to Christianity?

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BlueCanuck Sat, May 9, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #105 Mithrax

Yeah, that makes some perfect sense. Therefore it won't happen.

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 9, 2009 2:22:44pm

Nutty Alan Keyes gets arrested protesting against free speech....
Alan Keyes among 22 arrested at Notre Dame

Former Illinois U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes and 21 other protesters were arrested this morning when they refused to leave the Notre Dame campus during a protest of President Obama's upcoming commencement address there, authorities said.

Keyes and the others were arrested on trespassing charges when they refused to leave campus, a university spokesman said. All 22 were being held in the St. Joseph County Jail on misdemeanor criminal trespass charges, in lieu of $250 bond each, said St. Joseph County Sheriff's Sgt. Bill Redman.

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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 9, 2009 2:23:28pm

re: #97 Nevergiveup

TB kicking the shit outa BOS 7-1 in the 5th

Time to change to the NBA championship series..

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Mithrax Sat, May 9, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #107 BlueCanuck

Yeah, it's a shame. Everyone should read their Bismarck :)

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Sharmuta Sat, May 9, 2009 2:24:03pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Nutty Alan Keyes gets arrested protesting against free speech....
Alan Keyes among 22 arrested at Notre Dame

Next week on Wingnuts of the Week: Alan Keyes and Keith Ellison.

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 2:26:06pm

The US, and the world, need a great leader to deliver an updated "Gathering Storm" speech. What we need is a leader who has the vision to recognize the threat and the courage to deal with it.

How is it that WE can see this and those who purport to be our "leaders" do not?

Politics and political careers be damned; is there no one who can stand up and be counted? Is there no one in a position of power with the courage of his/her convictions or have convictions become just another anachronism relegated to the museum of non-relevant thoughts?

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Nevergiveup Sat, May 9, 2009 2:26:10pm

Hicks' loan default casts shadow on Rangers, Stars

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Maybe ya shouldn't have paid A-Rod all that money?

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 2:27:21pm

re: #86 callahan23

Sure, yet there is fundamental differences regarding individual liberties et.al. that convinced me at last to try this big step.

And it will be our gain, and Old Europe's loss.

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itellu3times Sat, May 9, 2009 2:28:47pm

re: #50 Render

They haven't changed their armored tactics since the debacles of 1965 and 1971. They make the same mistakes every single time. They send in the tanks without infantry support. They do not quickly follow up their artillery and air strikes. They don't seem to use their air and artillery pre-offensive, rather they tend to use it to cover the retreats of the shattered armored units after the offensive has failed.

LEARNED
NOTHING,
R

Sure, but what do they think they are doing anyway? Using tanks for counterinsurgency is tricky stuff at best. Artillery? Air strikes? Does the Pak army really wan to kill anybody anyway?

Tanks become high-value targets of those damnedable RPGs and such, and propaganda victories for the insurgents. What Pakistan needs first of all is a clear concept of who they are, who the enemy is, and just what they plan to do about it. Then and only then can we talk weapons and tactics.

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SixDegrees Sat, May 9, 2009 2:33:32pm

re: #112 MacDuff

The US, and the world, need a great leader to deliver an updated "Gathering Storm" speech. What we need is a leader who has the vision to recognize the threat and the courage to deal with it.

How is it that WE can see this and those who purport to be our "leaders" do not?

Politics and political careers be damned; is there no one who can stand up and be counted? Is there no one in a position of power with the courage of his/her convictions or have convictions become just another anachronism relegated to the museum of non-relevant thoughts?

Perhaps that leader could start by saying what this threat, and the solution to it that requires so much courage, is.

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Ojoe Sat, May 9, 2009 2:48:04pm

re: #112 MacDuff

Times are different, the technology of communication is different, and LGF and the lizards are the collective Winston Churchill. And other blogs like this. Help this place go in any way you can. Lots of people look at this site.

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callahan23 Sat, May 9, 2009 2:53:58pm

re: #114 MacDuff

Thanks. {MacDuff} {wrenchwench}

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 3:12:40pm

re: #116 SixDegrees

Perhaps that leader could start by saying what this threat, and the solution to it that requires so much courage, is.

With all due respect, your statement is somewhat astonishing. Churchill gave the "Gathering Storm" speech as a warning against the rise of Nazism in Europe. My reference to this prescient speech was that to our modern threat of Islamofascism as well as the equally repugnant and opportunistic reaction of Eurofascism.

Since, by and large, the world's reaction to extremist factions within Islam has been appeasement and apologia and considering that an appreciable percentage of the world's Muslim population is either extremist or supportive of the extremist factions; I consider radical Islam to be the threat of which I speak. Factoring in the continuous pursuit of nuclear weapons by said extremists, and the rabid anti-American sentiment within the factions, I would consider this to be a very serious threat to our national security and that of western civilization at large.

"Gathering Storm"? Yes, I believe it to be so. Courage needed? Yes, considering the "bend over and take it" approach that has been all too prevalent in western "leadership" circles and applauded in leftist media outlets.

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 3:24:30pm

re: #117 Ojoe

Times are different, the technology of communication is different, and LGF and the lizards are the collective Winston Churchill. And other blogs like this. Help this place go in any way you can. Lots of people look at this site.

I do and I will. I have ultimate faith in the American people in particular, and human nature in general, even in the face of example of poor decisions on the part of each. While frustration is a constant companion, the aforementioned faith is, and continues to be, affirmed.

Thanks, Ojoe.

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Jimmah Sat, May 9, 2009 3:29:09pm

Those groups on the right who have allied themselves with Eurofascists are going to find out the hard way that we were right - there is nothing remotely empowering about covering yourself in shit - it just makes decent people want to throw up when you enterr the room.

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 3:35:12pm

re: #121 Jimmah

Those groups on the right who have allied themselves with Eurofascists are going to find out the hard way that we were right - there is nothing remotely empowering about covering yourself in shit - it just makes decent people want to throw up when you enterr the room.

Well put. "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas".

Disclaimer: My dog sleeps in my bed, but he's flea-free :)

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SixDegrees Sat, May 9, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #119 MacDuff

With all due respect, your statement is somewhat astonishing. Churchill gave the "Gathering Storm" speech as a warning against the rise of Nazism in Europe. My reference to this prescient speech was that to our modern threat of Islamofascism as well as the equally repugnant and opportunistic reaction of Eurofascism.

Since, by and large, the world's reaction to extremist factions within Islam has been appeasement and apologia and considering that an appreciable percentage of the world's Muslim population is either extremist or supportive of the extremist factions; I consider radical Islam to be the threat of which I speak. Factoring in the continuous pursuit of nuclear weapons by said extremists, and the rabid anti-American sentiment within the factions, I would consider this to be a very serious threat to our national security and that of western civilization at large.

"Gathering Storm"? Yes, I believe it to be so. Courage needed? Yes, considering the "bend over and take it" approach that has been all too prevalent in western "leadership" circles and applauded in leftist media outlets.

Sounds like an open, festering wound oozing the pus of bigotry to me.

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Cato the Elder Sat, May 9, 2009 3:51:54pm

Here's an intentionally provocative question for you, folks:

The alternative to multiculturalism is what?

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vitoc Sat, May 9, 2009 4:04:59pm

Pamela Geller comments on what happened in Cologne today here

Gates of Vienna also covers the event: [Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]
They whine about how the "deck is stacked" against Pro Köln because of political correctness blablabla.

There is a good comment posted there - I am quoting it in full, because it deserves it, and because it may get deleted sooner or later:

Come on, the "deck is stacked" because Pro-Köln has no support in the local area for its actions. And it has no support precisely because it is a attempt at making the fascists look legal. And everybody can see it, except for fanatics who fear Eurabia and so are willing to sell out their decency and humanity in order to get some big boys to play with. Notice that AntiFa doesnt usually show up unless there are actual fascists present. The only time Siad in Denmark got attacked physically was when they employed Blood and Honour guards. By supporting the Pro Köln crowd, you have crossed the line, as Charles Johnason points out.

Im a fellow countryman of Fjordman. We remember the nazis.

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 4:07:32pm

re: #123 SixDegrees

Sounds like an open, festering wound oozing the pus of bigotry to me.

Well, all I can say is that I defy you to find a hint bigotry in anything that I have written, and I take extreme exception to your misbegotten characterization.

If you deem me a bigot against extremists and radicals; I proudly profess my guilt, otherwise, please provide a quote.

I'm waiting....................

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MacDuff Sat, May 9, 2009 4:23:02pm

re: #123 SixDegrees

Sounds like an open, festering wound oozing the pus of bigotry to me.

To assist you in your understanding, here's my original post, with any phrases in which you may see "a festering wound oozing pus of bigotry" bolded:

With all due respect, your statement is somewhat astonishing. Churchill gave the "Gathering Storm" speech as a warning against the rise of Nazism in Europe. My reference to this prescient speech was that to our modern threat of Islamofascism as well as the equally repugnant and opportunistic reaction of Eurofascism.

Since, by and large, the world's reaction to extremist factions within Islam has been appeasement and apologia and considering that an appreciable percentage of the world's Muslim population is either extremist or supportive of the extremist factions; I consider radical Islam to be the threat of which I speak. Factoring in the continuous pursuit of nuclear weapons by said extremists, and the rabid anti-American sentiment within the factions, I would consider this to be a very serious threat to our national security and that of western civilization at large.

"Gathering Storm"? Yes, I believe it to be so. Courage needed? Yes, considering the "bend over and take it" approach that has been all too prevalent in western "leadership" circles and applauded in leftist media outlets.

With what do you take exception, and exactly where is the "festering wound"?

I choose my words carefully, I suggest you do the same.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 9, 2009 4:44:50pm

I honestly can't say I shed a single tear of sympathy for the lack of support the fascists receive.

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Zimriel Sat, May 9, 2009 6:05:31pm

re: #125 vitoc

There is a good comment posted there - I am quoting it in full, because it deserves it, and because it may get deleted sooner or later:

I think the comment is accurately portraying himself. What tips me off that it is someone whose first language is a non-Latinate language which is not English is in using the term "legal" where he means "legit[imate]". No English speaker (or French, Spanish, Romanian etc speaker) would make that slip.

And "Johnason" - he might be wanting to say "Johannsen". (Which is probably Charles's ancestral family name, admittedly -)

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Sharmuta Sat, May 9, 2009 7:51:23pm

Of course, pamela's spin is the complete opposite. Those poor, brave nazis. *gag*

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Ojoe Sat, May 9, 2009 9:21:47pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

I would say the alternative to multiculturalism is the Truth.

Truth will have a unity to it, by its very nature.

Error can be multiple.

Truth, if sought, will bring us together.

This multiculturalism is in some very real ways a negation of out responsibility to discern the truth, and live by it.

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halldor Sun, May 10, 2009 4:09:47am

re: #124 Cato the Elder

Here's an intentionally provocative question for you, folks:

The alternative to multiculturalism is what?

It depends how you define multiculturalism. It's dangerous to generalize, but in broad historical terms, American society can be characterized as an example of (more or less) successful multicultural development, where people from different ethnic backgrounds have assimilated at their own pace, while still preserving elements of their individual cultural identity. In Europe, however, until quite recently monoculturalism was the norm. The European nation state imposed a homogeneous identity on its subjects, often using forced assimilation and even ethnic cleansing in order to achieve this. When multiculturalism did arrive in Europe, quite late, long after the ending of World War II, it reflected the exclusivity that had been practiced in the past - because of the rigid and inflexible way in which policies of cultural diversity were implemented, migrant communities often became isolated from the host populations, and in some parts of Europe developed into "no-go" areas for non-migrants.

I would say that the best alternative to European multiculturalism is probably early 20th century American multiculturalism.

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 10:15:47am

why the one sided report?

why no mention of the fact that there were Islamic Wahabi supremacists at this rally promoting sharia over western law.

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Salamantis Sun, May 10, 2009 10:19:08am

re: #133 unpaidbills

why the one sided report?

why no mention of the fact that there were Islamic Wahabi supremacists at this rally promoting sharia over western law.

And you know this how?

/not that it would justify euroneonazis...

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Charles Johnson Sun, May 10, 2009 10:23:09am

re: #133 unpaidbills

why the one sided report?

why no mention of the fact that there were Islamic Wahabi supremacists at this rally promoting sharia over western law.

And where did you get this information?

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Render Sun, May 10, 2009 10:56:18am

Karel Dillen - Translator and Belgian publisher of the very first POST-war Holocaust denial book. Founder of Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang.

Roland Raes - One time Vice President, ideologist, and later senator of Vlaams Blok. Convicted in 2001 of Holocaust denial by the Belgian government. A conviction that may very well have led to the events that resulted in Vlaams Blok being banned and changing its name to Vlaams Belang. Now a member of Voorpost, as is current Vlaams Belang politician Luc Vermeulen.

[Link: books.google.com...]

Pages 143-144.

===

Ya'know...

They keep using the "we sided with Stalin" excuse.

This Jew would gladly take another three year alliance with the Commies, to destroy the newest version of the nazis, again. We can re-fight the Cold War after the neo-nazis, Holocaust deniers, and other Jew haters are gone.

HELL
ON
WHEELS,
R

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:04:27pm

did you not check out your article before you published this?
Wahabi muslims were in attendance on this counter demo.
go back, check out the photos, the women are wearing black hijabs, the men are full on wahabists sect.
I can understand your pleasure at seeing a far right demonstration be outnumbered by a a counter cdemonstration but when European far left join with the Wahabists then I become very afraid.

Did you not see the red flags of the counter demonstrators? the pics of the wahabi muslims supremacists?

Yes there were obviously some good people of Cologne there but I'm afraid this was hijacked by the far left and Islamic supremacists.

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:07:52pm

[Link: translate.google.com...]

Pierre Vogel practices the extreme supremacist Wahhabism.

He was at the demonstration with his followers.

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:10:00pm

[Link: www.einladungzumparadies.de...]

here's his web site promoting Islam to be the world's religion.

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Gus Sun, May 10, 2009 12:31:14pm

re: #137 unpaidbills

You completely miss the point. The world is not black and white as the mental midgets at Gates of Vienna, et al, would have you believe. Objecting to Pro-Koln and other neo-fascist political parties does no mean one endorses Wahhabism or the likes of Pierre Vogel. Why is that so difficult to understand?

If you are going to be concerned it should be that there are Leftists, Islamists, AND Fascists are all vying for a power and all competing for an authoritarian role in public policy and that reason has effectively been tossed out the window.

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:31:45pm

re: #121 Jimmah

yes and those people on the left will realize that allying themselves with the muslim supremacists will have it thrown back in their faces once Europe's Islamic populations grow to the majority in some countries.

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Charles Johnson Sun, May 10, 2009 12:34:22pm

re: #138 unpaidbills

[Link: translate.google.com...]

Pierre Vogel practices the extreme supremacist Wahhabism.

He was at the demonstration with his followers.

The article you linked does not even mention Pierre Vogel. And I don't see a single picture of "wahabi muslims supremacists" advocating sharia law.

What the hell are you talking about?

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:35:56pm

re: #140 Gus 802

reason has indeed been thrown out of the window.

But when this small factor, ie left alliance with radical Islamists, is not reported in this article then I become very worried for my sons future.
This article is written almost as a gloat pointing out the fact the counter demonstrators out ranked the anti islamists.

I wouldn't feel comfortable being in that demonstration on the same side as the Islamic supremacists. Yah follow?

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:37:20pm

re: #142 Charles

go look at the photos of the demonstration. There is a photo of Pierre Vogel with his muslim followers.

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:38:29pm

if you cannot see Wahhabi muslims in those 31 photos then may I recommend a good optician? Or a psychiatrist? Or one of Mr Spencer's books?

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unpaidbills Sun, May 10, 2009 12:39:21pm

Picture # 7 Pierre Vogel

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Charles Johnson Sun, May 10, 2009 12:43:13pm

re: #144 unpaidbills

re: #142 Charles

go look at the photos of the demonstration. There is a photo of Pierre Vogel with his muslim followers.

If you're talking about this picture -- please note that even the caption makes it clear that this guy was "using the demonstration for his purposes." Google Translate

Use the counter demonstration for his purposes: Pierre Vogel (left in picture with red beard), a former boxer from Cologne and converted to Islam, is among his Muslim name Abu Hamza became known.

And what do you expect is going to happen, when fascists like the Pro-Koln group come out from under their rocks? Do you think radicals are NOT going to take advantage of it to promote their purposes?

Would you feel more comfortable demonstrating on the side of the fascists?

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Charles Johnson Sun, May 10, 2009 12:43:41pm

re: #145 unpaidbills

if you cannot see Wahhabi muslims in those 31 photos then may I recommend a good optician? Or a psychiatrist? Or one of Mr Spencer's books?

And with that, you can just piss off.

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Gus Sun, May 10, 2009 12:43:48pm

re: #145 unpaidbills

Listen Sockpuppet. There were many people counter protesting these creeps and it perhaps it included Islamists. If you feel that you would be more comfortable with the White Supremacists than perhaps you would be more comfortable at another blog like Gate of Vienna.

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Render Sun, May 10, 2009 12:59:38pm

Siegfried Verbeke:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Verbeke became a public figure in 1977 when, together with the later Vlaams Blok ideologist and senator Roeland Raes, he founded the Flemish denial magazine Haro. This magazine distributed tapes from various speeches made by Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring. During this period, he also was a member of the Vlaamse Militanten Orde (Flemish Militants Order), an organisation that became notorious for its attacks on immigrants, Walloons, and socialists. The government began dismantling the organisation in 1981 and it had ceased to exist by the 1990s.

At the beginning of the 1990s, Verbeke distributed pamphlets in the Netherlands to people with presumed Jewish names. In 1993, a Belgian court sentenced Verbeke to a one-year suspended prison term for distributing pamphlets belittling the Holocaust. Verbeke was also stripped of his civil rights for 10 years (his active and passive right to vote). The next year Verbeke circulated a booklet challenging what the authors called "the official version of the Holocaust."

Two years later, in 1995, he hit the headlines again by trying to get political asylum in the Netherlands because he was banned from distributing his material in Belgium.

In 1998, criminal proceedings were launched against Verbeke by the public prosecution of Frankfurt, Germany, for distributing to German addresses the anti-Semitic pamphlet "Goldhagen and Spielberg Lies", which attacked Daniel Goldhagen and Steven Spielberg. In 2000, Verbeke was ordered to abstain from distributing a brochure co-authored with professor of literature Robert Faurisson that attempted to challenge the authenticity of the Diary of Anne Frank. The next year, Belgian Minister for Culture Bert Anciaux demanded that all Belgian libraries would remove any works by Verbeke from the shelves.

In 2004, he volunteered to be exposed to Zyklon B, the poison used in the gas chambers, as an application for the million dollar paranormal challenge of the James Randi Educational Foundation. His application was rejected. [1]

In 2004, Verbeke was convicted in Belgium of Holocaust denial and given a year in prison and fined €2500. On August 3, 2005, he was again arrested at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam under an international arrest warrant issued in Germany where he was wanted for Holocaust denial and writing internet articles on the subject. He was sentenced to 9 months in prison, and released on May 5th, 2006.

On December 15, 2006, he was again arrested on base of the arrest warrant from the Court of Appeal in Antwerp, issued April 14, 2005. He is currently incarcerated in Belgium.

In June 2008 he was fined €25000 and sentenced again to a one year term, together with Vincent Reynouart, for denialism.[2]

GTFA,
R

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gegenkritik Sun, May 10, 2009 1:36:58pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

But it's Victory Over Fascism Day today, (nice irony for the conference) so I raise a toast to the defenders of Stalingrad, even if their leaders were evil bastards.

Yes, congratulations to the Allies!

This conference of pro-Köln was a total desaster, which is definitely a good thing. Even pi-news.net wrote that they did not agree with some contributions of the speakers (which can only mean that some speakers were holding speeches so openly racist, that PI had to distance from them).
On the other hand, most of the counter-protestors were the same people who were rioting when the IDF fought Hamas in January (and that's not only Pierre Vogel/Abu Hamza and his small group of jihadists, but mainly non-muslim anti-western people) and many of them were also demonstrating for the mosque of the islamofascistic and misogynic DITIB.

The only sane people in Cologne were the small group of exile Iranians, who were protesting against Islamism and Fascism.

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