The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is not “an appropriate liaison partner” for the FBI because of evidence linking the organization and its founders to Hamas, an FBI assistant director said in a letter to a U.S. Senator.

“In light of that evidence, the FBI suspended all formal contacts between CAIR and the FBI,”

Heh!

Ooops, finally someone started thinking.

Hey FBI, we were trying to tell you about CAIR and its Hamas connections for years. Glad that you finally got the message -- but what took so long?

Maybe the FBI needs to scan and pay attention to possible valid info in the blogs more often.

Yet CAIR had a half page ad in some paper this weekend, featuring an Indian looking muslima CAIR official, complaining about America.

My empathy well is dry for CAIR, no matter how much my congressional representative the antisemite democrat Jim Moran (D-VA) tells me I should house 9/11/01 planners and GITMO terrorists in my neighborhood, at my expense.

My suspicion is that they got some serious, first hand evidence that made them sit up and take notice.

They fact that it took them that long to find it, is the more worrying part.

Just wait 'till the zero hears about this.

Ties to Hamas?
Wow.
Cluseau. Dick Tracy. Fearless Fosdick.

"Look mommy, terrorists!"

"Hush, child. They'll figure it out eventually."

Schumer seems to always show up in this kind of sordid story...the guy just has no ethical direction or principle...one of many

Oh ye of little faith.
Odds on a hammer about to fall?

I am totally gobsmacked even this little bit happened. O seems so intent on appeasing the Jihadis and Leftoids.

What do you mean, what took them so long? CAIR sold itself successfully to the public and especially to the MSM as the Muslim equivalent of the ADL. Every single story about CAIR described them as a civil-rights group, rather than what they really were and are: a political advocacy group and lobby for radical Islam. What's surprising is that the FBI had the guts to admit the truth and act accordingly, because every other institution in America still desperately wants to believe in CAIR as the noble defenders of innocent Muslim-Americans against Islamophobia.

re: #9 Capitalist Tool

Oh ye of little faith.
Odds on a hammer about to fall?

Faith in Government? Especially THIS administration?!?

I have a bad feeling about this. Makes me think that there's more chaos about to be sown.

While this is good news, it needs to be asked why it took the FBI so long to recognize that the Council on American Islamic Relations was up to no good? Their agenda was never exactly a secret — defending terrorists, making excuses for Hamas and Hezbollah, and harassing critics (including yours truly) with bogus “hate crime” reports. For years, the FBI acted like an obedient lap dog for this group, and that’s a disgrace.

The FBI changed it's position regarding CAIR so close to the inauguration. I know many here will find it unthinkable but could it have been at the request of the incoming Obama administration?

In related news, the FBI in its quest to dialogue with the El Salvadoran community, has opened a liaison office with MS-13.

re: #4 alegrias

Yet CAIR had a half page ad in some paper this weekend, featuring an Indian looking muslima CAIR official, complaining about America.

My empathy well is dry for CAIR, no matter how much my congressional representative the antisemite democrat Jim Moran (D-VA) tells me I should house 9/11/01 planners and GITMO terrorists in my neighborhood, at my expense.

Be fair: he only wants to bring the good GITMO terrorists to your neighborhood: the Chinese ones, who want to murder Chinese citizens and leave the murder of Americans to others.

Better late than never...

re: #11 stuiec

Foreign governments/entities have much easier access to the politicians and levers of power than the citizens could even remotely hope to ever have.

it needs to be asked why it took the FBI so long to recognize that the Council on American Islamic Relations was up to no good?

they must have said something negative about "44."

This doesn't make sense, especially as Pres. Obama signed a document allowing Hamas to keep open its office in Washington, DC recently.

And Hamas will get its hand on some of the 800 million Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton promised them, all above board of course.

re: #15 zombie

That was ripe Zombie.

Let it load and go directly to 2:57

FBI type behavior.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Well O has shown he will do opposite of Bush on a lot of issues, no matter what they are or how unsound the change is.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Speaking of people named "Kilgore":

Four people can't be with their mother today. That's because she was murdered by members of a communist political cult called the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1975. Her name was Myrna Opsahl.

Myrna Opsahl (born December 13, 1932 – died April 21, 1975) was a church worker, a mother of four, and a murder victim of the Symbionese Liberation Army. She died in April 1975 during a Carmichael, California bank robbery. Newspaper heiress and kidnapping/brainwashing victim Patty Hearst was the driver of the getaway car during this robbery.
Her death led to a lengthy campaign for justice, which finally in 2002 led to murder charges against Emily Harris, William Harris, Kathleen Soliah (a.k.a. Sara Jane Olson), Michael Bortin, and James Kilgore for the murder. Emily Harris admitted to firing the fatal shotgun blast, but claimed it was an accident.

You'll be happy to know that James Kilgore, who participated in the murder robbery, and then committed a litany of other heinous crimes, including making pipes bombs, forging passports, and then fleeing from justice for 27 years -- just got out of jail after serving measly SIX YEARS:

The last captured member of the notorious 1970s-era Symbionese Liberation Army has been released from a California prison.
Corrections spokesman Oscar Hidalgo said James William Kilgore was paroled Sunday from the High Desert State Prison in northeastern California.

Kilgore completed a six-year sentence for the murder of suburban Sacramento housewife Myrna Opsahl during an April 1975 bank robbery.

Kilgore was arrested in 2002 in Cape Town, South Africa, after nearly three decades on the run.

Happy Mother's Day!

Does not inspire confidence that the FBI takes so long to figure out the obvious. But it's the way their system is designed. Not for innovation and creativity and thinking outside the box, but rather, protecting the bureaucracy.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

The FBI changed it's position regarding CAIR so close to the inauguration. I know many here will find it unthinkable but could it have been at the request of the incoming Obama administration?

It IS unthinkable because the evidence contradicts it.

In February, Kyl was joined by fellow senators Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Tom Coburn (R-OK) in writing FBI Director Robert Mueller to praise the FBI’s policy toward CAIR. The senators said they believed it “should be government-wide policy,” and asked whether there were exceptions to it and whether it applied to field offices as well as FBI headquarters.

Of course, if the Obama Administration opposed ties to CAIR, then it would be "government-wide policy."

The most one can credit the Administration for is not ordering the FBI to continue to cooperate with CAIR in spite of the evidence of CAIR's ties to Hamas and Hezbollah.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

The FBI changed it's position regarding CAIR so close to the inauguration. I know many here will find it unthinkable but could it have been at the request of the incoming Obama administration?

I pondered that too. Whatever the story is- I'm just glad they're not working with the Ikwaan any more.

re: #20 alegrias

This doesn't make sense, especially as Pres. Obama signed a document allowing Hamas to keep open its office in Washington, DC recently.

And Hamas will get its hand on some of the 800 million Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton promised them, all above board of course.

Right. I'm just sayin'. Something's up.

re: #24 zombie

We Killgores are a troublesome bunch.

re: #20 alegrias

This doesn't make sense, especially as Pres. Obama signed a document allowing Hamas to keep open its office in Washington, DC recently.

This is not true. Hamas does not have an office in Washington DC. Obama signed an order allowing the PLO office to remain open -- and it's exactly the same order that President Bush signed over and over, every year for 8 years.

It has been evident for a long time that elements within the FBI are blatant Israel/Jew haters. This was the motivation for the pogrom against Steven Rosen and AIPAC. It was also the reason for the Jane Harman smears.
They believe American Jews represent a threat to the National Security. Because of that, they will cooperate with Islamists and Islamist front organizations such as CAIR.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Perhaps, but I doubt it. The whole idea of "working with" and "reaching out to" Islamic fundamentalists has been the rallying cry of the Left far more than that of the Right.
CAIR has obviously always been a thinly-veiled front group for seething anti-Semites and America haters worldwide, but they were the closest thing to "reasonable" that existed so they got the connections. The media, as well as the pantheon of "anti-discrimination/profiling/etc." groups pretty much accepted them at face value. I hope the FBI was at least able to get some decent intel from their swim in the swamp.

re: #18 FurryOldGuyJeans

Foreign governments/entities have much easier access to the politicians and levers of power than the citizens could even remotely hope to ever have.

Please explain what that means in the context of the FBI and CAIR -- I am not sure I am making the connection you intended.

re: #25 DistantThunder

Does not inspire confidence that the FBI takes so long to figure out the obvious. But it's the way their system is designed. Not for innovation and creativity and thinking outside the box, but rather, protecting the bureaucracy.

Shades of J. Edgar Hoover, but you are on to something there.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

The FBI changed it's position regarding CAIR so close to the inauguration. I know many here will find it unthinkable but could it have been at the request of the incoming Obama administration?

Always wondered about Bush saying "there would be things we won't understand" directly after 911. I thought maybe the U.S. was giving CAIR ample rope.

re: #29 Killgore Trout

We Killgores are a troublesome bunch.

At least you only have a passion for violins.

/just can't resist those long-bearded ol' puns

re: #24 zombie

Some six years more than Bill Ayers served.

CAIR- like many others- has learned that they are judged by the company the keep.

re: #38 Sharmuta

CAIR- like many others- has learned that they are judged by the company they keep.

PIMF

Interesting: If you google Obama CAIR

The first result goes to a Spencer article from October of last year about a lawyer named Joe Sandler who was complaining about Spencer speaking to the White Nationalist group called Young America's Foundation.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

How deliciously ironic.

So the FBI finally figured out what the last letter meant.
"Investigation"

re: #37 stuiec

Some six years more than Bill Ayers served.

Yes, but Kilgore was actually convicted. And still only served six years.

misdirection, misinformation, disinformation, rope- a- dope

What is going on?

bbl

re: #43 zombie

Yes, but Kilgore was actually convicted. And still only served six years.

If only he had been some neighborhood teenager selling crack on the corner...

re: #40 Killgore Trout

oops, sorry. I was confusing the Young America's Foundation and Youth for Western Civilization. Both are at Vanderbilt so I got them confused. My bad.

So, the FBI doesn't CAIR any more.

Hey, SOMEbody had to say it...

re: #48 Mauser

So, the FBI doesn't CAIR any more.

Hey, SOMEbody had to say it...

Nobody CAIRs.

In other news, the FBI is re-examining its working relationship with the "German-American Bund".

/better late than never, I guess

re: #40 Killgore Trout

OT - LOST Producer's podcast - listen while you are blogging, no spoilers.

[Link: www.docarzt.com...]

Happy Mother's Day - Saudi Style

Saudi Judge says it's ok to slap spendthrift wives

re: #50 Occasional Reader

In other news, the FBI is re-examining its working relationship with the "German-American Bund".

/better late than never, I guess

Linky
/

More seriously, it makes me wonder if the FBI, or at least those who worked with CAIR, were Bush opponents, and kept it going in opposition to Bush, and have given it up because it would reflect poorly on Obama.

CAIR is still going strong, by the way. I'm on their mailing list (to a throwaway address, not my real address). They issue a constant barrage of press releases, dozens every week, often several per day. Their propaganda is nonstop, relentless.

Cutting off your CAIR sounds painful.

re: #20 alegrias

This doesn't make sense, especially as Pres. Obama signed a document allowing Hamas to keep open its office in Washington, DC recently.

And Hamas will get its hand on some of the 800 million Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton promised them, all above board of course.

Loathsome as Fatah might be, it really is important to keep our facts straight, alegrias; they are not the same thing as Hamas.

re: #52 Desert Dog

Happy Mother's Day - Saudi Style

Saudi Judge says it's ok to slap spendthrift wives

Guess that only applies to the ones that don't drive themselves to the mall.
The survivors.

re: #55 zombie

CAIR is still going strong, by the way. I'm on their mailing list (to a throwaway address, not my real address). They issue a constant barrage of press releases, dozens every week, often several per day. Their propaganda is nonstop, relentless.

And that's why you're zombie!

re: #55 zombie

CAIR is still going strong, by the way. I'm on their mailing list (to a throwaway address, not my real address). They issue a constant barrage of press releases, dozens every week, often several per day. Their propaganda is nonstop, relentless.

But of course! They are the only legitimate spokesmen for the over eleventy-three billion Muslims in the U.S. It's true, because they say so!

re: #52 Desert Dog

What's the problem? I smack Mrs BigPapa on the tushy all the time. In fact, she likes me smacking her.

OT

May the moth**f**k*rs who have caused the economy to tank, rot in federal prison.

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Loathsome as Fatah might be, it really is important to keep our facts straight, alegrias; they are not the same thing as Hamas.

The heads- side of a quarter is not the same as the tails- side, either.

re: #55 zombie

CAIR is still going strong, by the way. I'm on their mailing list (to a throwaway address, not my real address). They issue a constant barrage of press releases, dozens every week, often several per day. Their propaganda is nonstop, relentless.

I guess they figure that if they throw enough sh*t, some of it may stink, er, stick.

re: #62 Ojoe

Sadly, they are currently still rotting in Congress.

re: #52 Desert Dog

Happy Mother's Day - Saudi Style

Saudi Judge says it's ok to slap spendthrift wives

Those saudi men...they have to put up with so much.

/

re: #52 Desert Dog

Happy Mother's Day - Saudi Style

Saudi Judge says it's ok to slap spendthrift wives

The rest of the article sounds as though there might be a bit of a women's uprising going on is SA.

In other news: (Further) Proof that I'm stupid.

I knew I had about 2-3 hours of work to do this weekend, that would require coming to the office.

I knew, from the weather reports, that yesterday was going to be overcast and muggy, and today was going to be glorious.

So what did I do?

I f***d off all day yesterday, and here I am in the office, gazing wistfully out the window at this perfect spring day.

Oh, and blogging, just to further waste time.

re: #61 BigPapa

What's the problem? I smack Mrs BigPapa on the tushy all the time. In fact, she likes me smacking her.

Mrs. Desert Dog is only 5' and barely 100 lbs, but she hits HARD. I try to avoid getting her all riled up. I keep chocolate hidden around the house, just in case I have to calm her down.

re: #68 Occasional Reader

In other news: (Further) Proof that I'm stupid.

I knew I had about 2-3 hours of work to do this weekend, that would require coming to the office.

I knew, from the weather reports, that yesterday was going to be overcast and muggy, and today was going to be glorious.

So what did I do?

I f***d off all day yesterday, and here I am in the office, gazing wistfully out the window at this perfect spring day.

Oh, and blogging, just to further waste time.

Give me your name, address, and debit card number and I'll send you a pizza.
/

re: #68 Occasional Reader

In other news: (Further) Proof that I'm stupid.

I knew I had about 2-3 hours of work to do this weekend, that would require coming to the office.

I knew, from the weather reports, that yesterday was going to be overcast and muggy, and today was going to be glorious.

So what did I do?

I f***d off all day yesterday, and here I am in the office, gazing wistfully out the window at this perfect spring day.

Oh, and blogging, just to further waste time.

So. Someone else who's obviously been reading my book.

re: #63 Capitalist Tool

The heads- side of a quarter is not the same as the tails- side, either.

Like it or not, US administrations have been handing cash to the PLO/Fatah for years. If Obama were to give directly donate to Hama, and/or allow them to open an office here, it would be a political earthquake. And it hasn't happened... so we shouldn't pretend it has.

re: #67 Soona'

The rest of the article sounds as though there might be a bit of a women's uprising going on is SA.

The women need to do something besides letting the abuse happen, because to many of their men are pigs.

re: #30 Charles

This is not true. Hamas does not have an office in Washington DC. Obama signed an order allowing the PLO office to remain open -- and it's exactly the same order that President Bush signed over and over, every year for 8 years.

* * * *
Thank you for correcting me. One difference between Pres. Bush & Obama's PLO ties:

Obama is close friends with Rashid Khalidi, the onetime PLO spokesman who also taught at Columbia University.

Videotape of Obama & Khalidi at a party was supressed by the L.A. Times during the presidential election.

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

Ah, thanks.

re: #69 Desert Dog

I have mastered the various tricks and treats to maintain Mrs BP's good graces. Chocolate, favorite dishes, active listening, extra snuggles. But when really mad, it's best to leave her be for a while.

According to this stalwart of human rights, decency, and intra-sex/marital politics, I should be putting Mrs BP over my knee weekly!

Does anyone know the current membership of CAIR these days? Didn't it fall way off after 9-11? Has it gained more members? If not, is it pure PC giving these clowns the time of day, let alone granting them the status of so-called spokesmen for all of Islam in the USA. They are rolled out by the media anytime any real or imagined slight to the ROP surfaces. Pathetic. But, I do not see any "moderate Islamic groups" stepping up to fill that void. Is there even such a thing as a "moderate Islamic group"?

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

Give me your name, address, and debit card number and I'll send you a pizza.
/

I don't use no steenking debit cards.

(I truly don't see the point to them.)

Maybe Bush's mantra, "religion of peace" lulled them into a false sense of security which then opened doors to infiltration.

/ My mom always said you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

oops, sorry. I was confusing the Young America's Foundation and Youth for Western Civilization. Both are at Vanderbilt so I got them confused. My bad.

* * * *
Yes, thank you for that correction.

One group is caretaking Reagan's Ranch in California.

re: #55 zombie

CAIR is still going strong, by the way. I'm on their mailing list (to a throwaway address, not my real address). They issue a constant barrage of press releases, dozens every week, often several per day. Their propaganda is nonstop, relentless.

* * * *
Has CAIR gotten a bailout too?

re: #47 Killgore Trout

oops, sorry. I was confusing the Young America's Foundation and Youth for Western Civilization. Both are at Vanderbilt so I got them confused. My bad.

But didn't YAF recently host a Vlaams Belang speaker, or something equally stupid?

re: #54 Mauser

Interesting theory. I do suspect it has something to do with the change in administrations. I have do idea exactly what. Bush wasn't as tough on Islamic extremists as he talk indicated. I think Obama may be a little tougher on them than his talk indicates.

re: #77 Desert Dog

"Is there even such a thing as a "moderate Islamic group"?

There are. They do not get much press.

re: #82 Occasional Reader

But didn't YAF recently host a Vlaams Belang speaker, or something equally stupid?

I don't know. I'm sure that's possible but it's tough to keep track of all these obscure groups and what they're up to.

re: #78 Occasional Reader

I don't use no steenking debit cards.

(I truly don't see the point to them.)

I love 'em. Keeps me from carrying around a lot of cash.

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Interesting theory. I do suspect it has something to do with the change in administrations. I have do idea exactly what. Bush wasn't as tough on Islamic extremists as he talk indicated. I think Obama may be a little tougher on them than his talk indicates.

And you base this on his get tough policy with Iran, or something like that?

Kind of surprised there was not more talk here about everybody's favorite Fox legal expert, Judge Napolitano, who basically said on his program Friday (at about 2:58 in the video), that GWB is a felon:

/Perhaps there was discussion of this... I missed about a day or so of lgf

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Loathsome as Fatah might be, it really is important to keep our facts straight, alegrias; they are not the same thing as Hamas.

* * * *
I'm counting on the community to keep me organized--

Better late than never... too late.

re: #78 Occasional Reader

I don't use no steenking debit cards.

(I truly don't see the point to them.)

Since info from all card purchases might be used to build a case, I try to limit my plastic use to gunshops, bars, liquor stores and Indian smoke shops.

re: #86 Soona'

I love 'em. Keeps me from carrying around a lot of cash.

I'd rather just use a credit card. Then pay off the bill in full at the end of the month. I get the airline miles, I get the up to 30-day float, and if my credit card info is cloned and fraudulently used, I'm much, much better protected than if the same thing happens with a debit card.

re: #83 Killgore Trout

"I think Obama may be a little tougher on them than his talk indicates."

Unicorn farts?

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Like it or not, US administrations have been handing cash to the PLO/Fatah for years. If Obama were to give directly donate to Hama, and/or allow them to open an office here, it would be a political earthquake. And it hasn't happened... so we shouldn't pretend it has.

* * * *
OR,

You said Hama.

Hama doesn't exist remember, as Bashar al Assad's father removed that whole city and all its citizens from the map.

re: #67 Soona'

The rest of the article sounds as though there might be a bit of a women's uprising going on is SA.

Good luck with that...I feel sorry for those women.

re: #92 Occasional Reader

I'd rather just use a credit card. Then pay off the bill in full at the end of the month. I get the airline miles, I get the up to 30-day float, and if my credit card info is cloned and fraudulently used, I'm much, much better protected than if the same thing happens with a debit card.

Thanks for the info, that will help.
/

re: #94 alegrias

* * * *
OR,

You said Hama.

Hama doesn't exist remember, as Bashar al Assad's father removed that whole city and all its citizens from the map.

And that was a typo. But you knew that.

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Interesting theory. I do suspect it has something to do with the change in administrations. I have do idea exactly what. Bush wasn't as tough on Islamic extremists as he talk indicated. I think Obama may be a little tougher on them than his talk indicates.

90% of the federal government runs on auto-pilot anyway. Doesn't matter who the president is, or what they say or do. And 98% of what the FBI does is catch criminals, regardless of politics. The only exceptions are when the president dictates policy on a few specific cases -- the most famous example being LBJ giving the FBI the green light to spy on Martin Luther King. But even at that time, aside from a few specific politically driven cases, the FBI was still on auto-pilot, catching criminals -- as well it should be. And the same is true for just about all other government departments.

re: #77 Desert Dog

That's the problem. Any group that represents a movement that wants to slaughter every living Jew and enslave every other human being is by definition not moderate.
Anyone who represented a moderate version of Islam would be useless as a spokesman because our beef isn't with peaceful Muslims who respect other Religions, it's with the animals that CAIR defends and promotes.

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

Since info from all card purchases might be used to build a case, I try to limit my plastic use to gunshops, bars, liquor stores and Indian smoke shops.

What's an "Indian smoke shop."

re: #95 Desert Dog

Good luck with that...I feel sorry for those women.

Why? For the most part, they're just reincarnated Muslem men getting a taste of their own medicine.
Learn ye obedience by the things that ye suffer.

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

And you base this on his get tough policy with Iran, or something like that?

He's been pretty aggressive with Pakistan. Bush didn't do anything about Iran either. Bush's Iran rhetoric has been 180 degrees opposite of Obama's but the end result will be the same. Israel is going to have to deal with it. Americans seem unwilling.

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for the info, that will help.
/

If you're still going to get me that pizza, I'd rather if you could just front the money, and I'll reimburse you. So please go ahead and give me your bank account information.

Regards,

Occasional Reader
Lagos, Nigeria

re: #98 zombie

the most famous example being LBJ giving the FBI the green light to spy on Martin Luther King

Damn those racist Republicans!

/

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Interesting theory. I do suspect it has something to do with the change in administrations. I have do idea exactly what. Bush wasn't as tough on Islamic extremists as he talk indicated. I think Obama may be a little tougher on them than his talk indicates.

There's too much deception in this administration/democrat party to tell one way or another. The FBI is another investigating arm of any prez and dances to his tune. I'm just not too trusting of the zero.

re: #88 freetoken

It's amazing how much Fox has changed in the past few months. That would have been unthinkable a few months ago.

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

What's an "Indian smoke shop."

Cigarettes for sale on Indian reservations do not have state sales tax. They have a bunch here in Phoenix since the metro area is almost encircled with Indian land. Cigarettes sales and cotton used to be the big money makers for the tribes around here...now it's casinos.

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

Since info from all card purchases might be used to build a case, I try to limit my plastic use to gunshops, bars, liquor stores and Indian smoke shops.

LOL!

re: #102 Killgore Trout

He's been pretty aggressive with Pakistan. Bush didn't do anything about Iran either. Bush's Iran rhetoric has been 180 degrees opposite of Obama's but the end result will be the same. Israel is going to have to deal with it. Americans seem unwilling.

The US government in general is not being tough on any part of radical Islam. Bottom line is, someone better start worrying about it or else a whole lot of misery is going to come down.

Europe will be set on fire again, as it was in the 30's. Euro-nationalism is rearing it's head again, and Islam is the primary target, this time Jews will be secondary targets, like the Roma was before.

While this is good news, it needs to be asked why it took the FBI so long to recognize that the Council on American Islamic Relations was up to no good? Their agenda was never exactly a secret — defending terrorists, making excuses for Hamas and Hezbollah, and harassing critics (including yours truly) with bogus “hate crime” reports. For years, the FBI acted like an obedient lap dog for this group, and that’s a disgrace.

One word: appeasement

re: #107 Desert Dog

Cigarettes for sale on Indian reservations do not have state sales tax. They have a bunch here in Phoenix since the metro area is almost encircled with Indian land. Cigarettes sales and cotton used to be the big money makers for the tribes around here...now it's casinos.

The feds just raised the price on loose tobacco by $24/lb. The Great State of Oklahoma tripled that by adding another $48/lb., which brought the price of a previously $15 5.3 oz. can of Drum to $45.
The nearest Cheyenne shop eliminates the extra $48/lb whack from the state.

Anyone who say "people got no business smokin' anyhow" should learn to mind their own business.

re: #110 dwells38

One word: appeasement

Actually, two words: Political correctness

It's the same thing with race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Anytime there was any kind of racial problem, they rolled out those two charlatans to speak on behalf of all black people. Shameful, if you ask me. That is the same with CAIR. They are rolled out to represent the "Islamic" side of the equation. The fact that they are linked to terrorists was negated by the desire of the media (and apparantly the FBI too) to appear non-judgmental and accepting of Islam. Equally shameful!

re: #111 Capitalist Tool

The feds just raised the price on loose tobacco by $24/lb. The Great State of Oklahoma tripled that by adding another $48/lb., which brought the price of a previously $15 5.3 oz. can of Drum to $45.
The nearest Cheyenne shop eliminates the extra $48/lb whack from the state.

Anyone who say "people got no business smokin' anyhow" should learn to mind their own business.

Glad I stopped smoking last Aug. I really couldn't afford it now if I wanted too.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

The FBI changed it's position regarding CAIR so close to the inauguration. I know many here will find it unthinkable but could it have been at the request of the incoming Obama administration?

I think it's more that the FBI were waiting for Bush to leave. Bush legitimised CAIR right after 9/11. Everyone here, and almost everyone elsewhere, agrees this was a major blunder on Bush's part. Bush for all his virtues wasn't one to back away from his mistakes.

If it was Obama pushing this, that's a point in his favour, but in that case I have to worry that the FBI have found some seriously major shit that was even worse than the (vast) evidence on offer over this past decade.

re: #111 Capitalist Tool

The feds just raised the price on loose tobacco by $24/lb. The Great State of Oklahoma tripled that by adding another $48/lb., which brought the price of a previously $15 5.3 oz. can of Drum to $45.
The nearest Cheyenne shop eliminates the extra $48/lb whack from the state.

Anyone who say "people got no business smokin' anyhow" should learn to mind their own business.

The AZ state tax on tobacco is really high. People save quite a bit driving to the reservations. I am glad I quit 17 years ago. I think a pack of Marlboro's was $1.50 and I was complaining about that.

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

Glad I stopped smoking last Aug. I really couldn't afford it now if I wanted too.

Good for you Walter!

re: #111 Capitalist Tool

The feds just raised the price on loose tobacco by $24/lb. The Great State of Oklahoma tripled that by adding another $48/lb., which brought the price of a previously $15 5.3 oz. can of Drum to $45.
The nearest Cheyenne shop eliminates the extra $48/lb whack from the state.

Anyone who say "people got no business smokin' anyhow" should learn to mind their own business.

The federal and state govenments should back off or many of the people will start smoking pot again only because it's cheaper. :)

BB after 9:00pm mountain time. Got to go get ready for the show this evening. Bye.

And again Happy Mothers day to all.

re: #117 Soona'

The federal and state govenments should back off or many of the people will start smoking pot again only because it's cheaper. :)

Move to Alaska and grow your own

Geez, the weather here in Oklahoma City- or is this really Seattle-

My lawn is begging to get me a ticket for neglect, but every day when I'm working, it's sunny, and when I'm off and can mow, it rains.
It isn't raining now and I'm not working, but who wants to mow on Sunday?

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

Glad I stopped smoking last Aug. I really couldn't afford it now if I wanted too.

And by doing so, you helped throw struggling tabacco industry workers out of their jobs, and deepened the recession.

Nice going, you heartless bastard!

Oh, can I borrow this space to bash Bush a little more?

Bush's legitimation of CAIR allowed CAIR shills to spread Muslim-Brotherhood propaganda throughout mainstream press as authentic Islam. That Yahya Emerick was allowed to publish this stuff in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Islam", is the case in point I noticed. To the extent that Muslim Pakistanis are now roaming around universities in Arab fetish gear, where in the 1990s they were at the pub drinking with me, that's the fault of Brotherhood propagandists whom Bush did nothing to stop.

Yes, I'm pissed off at him. Rarely have I seen a man blow as many opportunities as that President.

re: #122 Zimriel

Oh, can I borrow this space to bash Bush a little more?

Bush's legitimation of CAIR allowed CAIR shills to spread Muslim-Brotherhood propaganda throughout mainstream press as authentic Islam. That Yahya Emerick was allowed to publish this stuff in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Islam", is the case in point I noticed. To the extent that Muslim Pakistanis are now roaming around universities in Arab fetish gear, where in the 1990s they were at the pub drinking with me, that's the fault of Brotherhood propagandists whom Bush did nothing to stop.

Yes, I'm pissed off at him. Rarely have I seen a man blow as many opportunities as that President.

GW Bush=Moderate

re: #122 Zimriel

Oh, can I borrow this space to bash Bush a little more?

Bush's legitimation of CAIR allowed CAIR shills to spread Muslim-Brotherhood propaganda throughout mainstream press as authentic Islam. That Yahya Emerick was allowed to publish this stuff in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Islam", is the case in point I noticed. To the extent that Muslim Pakistanis are now roaming around universities in Arab fetish gear, where in the 1990s they were at the pub drinking with me, that's the fault of Brotherhood propagandists whom Bush did nothing to stop.

Yes, I'm pissed off at him. Rarely have I seen a man blow as many opportunities as that President.

Overheat the pot and it will boil over. Just a matter of time.

OT:

Cheney: Interrogations saved 'hundreds of thousands' of lives

"I'm convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of lives," Cheney said, arguing again that Al-Qaeda was bent on attacking a US city with a nuclear device.

Team Obama's response is to close Gitmo and embarrass the Bush Presidency.

re: #125 solomonpanting

OT:

Cheney: Interrogations saved 'hundreds of thousands' of lives

Team Obama's response is to close Gitmo and embarrass the Bush Presidency.

Oh, but... (fill in blank)
Oh, but... (fill in blank)
Oh, but Saddam didn't have nukes yet, or whatever.
/

re: #125 solomonpanting

OT:

Cheney: Interrogations saved 'hundreds of thousands' of lives

Team Obama's response is to close Gitmo and embarrass the Bush Presidency.

I just wish that some Repubs. in congress would grow some balls just half as big as Cheney's. We'd be in much better shape if they did.

re: #126 Capitalist Tool

Oh, but... (fill in blank)
Oh, but... (fill in blank)
Oh, but Saddam didn't have nukes yet, or whatever.
/

"The use of torture! didn't even do any good, other than lowering our stature in the eyes of the world."

Heard recently from a liberal acquaintance.

The meme that waterboarding yielded no useful information is becoming deeply implanted, and impervious to facts.

Where did everyone go?

re: #112 Desert Dog

Actually, two words: Political correctness

It's the same thing with race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Anytime there was any kind of racial problem, they rolled out those two charlatans to speak on behalf of all black people. Shameful, if you ask me. That is the same with CAIR. They are rolled out to represent the "Islamic" side of the equation. The fact that they are linked to terrorists was negated by the desire of the media (and apparantly the FBI too) to appear non-judgmental and accepting of Islam. Equally shameful!

Yes it's a good comparison. In both cases there are those who feel they've not been given a fair shake but can't point to many overt and clear examples where they've been discriminated against by the wider population or government.

With Blacks you get the whacky conspiracy theories (AIDs was directed toward them, Katrina was used to murder them, Asian store owners are racist and not sick of being shoplifted from and robbed, etc..) and with Muslims there's supposedly all of this anti-Muslim hysteria except there isn't. Like the race baiters trumped up injustices CAIR merely defends ANYONE who's Muslim whether or not they're obviously guilty of crimes, hate speech and total intolerance of other belief systems THEMSELVES.

re: #77 Desert Dog

But, I do not see any "moderate Islamic groups" stepping up to fill that void. Is there even such a thing as a "moderate Islamic group"?

What we'd need is a moderate group who can account for both Sunni and Shi'a (good luck with that), and/or two moderate groups: an anti-Wahhabi group for Sunnis, and an anti-Hezbollah group for the Twelver Shi'a (Zaydis and Isma'ilis are anti-Hezbollah Shi'a but they will be ignored). Even Daniel Pipes has noted, there are groups for Islamic moderation.

The trick is for them to get their word out as legitimate spokespeople for Islam. Right now, the MSM and universities consistently give their stamp of approval to Brotherhood fronts; implying that the moderates are, I suppose, MINOs. (Pathetic little fish!) We'd need the moderates to get into the media over the heads of the university-approved groups.

re: #127 Soona'

I just wish that some Repubs. in congress would grow some balls just half as big as Cheney's. We'd be in much better shape if they did.

* * * *
Encourage YOUR representatives to "grow some balls" as you say, and adopt "Keep Terrorists Out of America Act," be they blue dog Democrats or Republicans.

Many Dems are hearing from their constituents that it's ok to be against terrorists threatening us.

Democrats are watching Pakistan implode, so it's get serious time. This time it's on their watch.

re: #132 alegrias

Many Dems are hearing from their constituents that it's ok to be against terrorists threatening us.

Sounds like a clip from The Onion.

re: #129 Soona'

Where did everyone go?

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Cooking Mother's Day dinner of course for the whole family. Who can afford to go out when unemployed!

Manchego cheese
Olives

Spanish Chicken with White Wine, Olive oil, Lemons & Garlic
Rice Arborio
Asparagus grilled with capers
Green Salad: Romaine, tomatoes, avocado, onion
Fruit Salad: Oranges, strawberries & blueberries

So do we give Obama points on this?

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Interesting: If you google Obama CAIR

The first result goes to a Spencer article from October of last year about a lawyer named Joe Sandler who was complaining about Spencer speaking to the White Nationalist group called Young America's Foundation.

That's nice. So if there were an actual news report about Obama's dealing with CAIR (leaving aside its content), and someone went looking for it: they'd find instead Recneps Trebor and white nationalists. The natural conclusion would be that it's wingnuttery even to wonder about Obama's ties to radical Islam.

That those ties do exist - c.f. Rashid Khalidi - is, on Google, obscured by Spencer's grandstanding.

Thanks, Robert!

re: #135 itellu3times

yes

re: #135 itellu3times

So do we give Obama points on this?

Well...

The Investigative Project on Terrorism was the first to report on the FBI's decision to break communication with CAIR. That story cited an Oct. 8, 2008 letter from the head of the FBI's Oklahoma City field office, who canceled a meeting of local Muslim community groups because of CAIR's involvement.

... give him points for not reversing course, anyway.

re: #134 alegrias

* * * *
Cooking Mother's Day dinner of course for the whole family. Who can afford to go out when unemployed!

Manchego cheese
Olives

Spanish Chicken with White Wine, Olive oil, Lemons & Garlic
Rice Arborio
Asparagus grilled with capers
Green Salad: Romaine, tomatoes, avocado, onion
Fruit Salad: Oranges, strawberries & blueberries

All of those dishes were really invented by Muslims, of course.

/

re: #4 alegrias

Yet CAIR had a half page ad in some paper this weekend, featuring an Indian looking muslima CAIR official, complaining about America.

My empathy well is dry for CAIR, no matter how much my congressional representative the antisemite democrat Jim Moran (D-VA) tells me I should house 9/11/01 planners and GITMO terrorists in my neighborhood, at my expense.

Does the third amendment cover that, in some way?

/

Well, Debbie Schlussel disagrees with the IP. Who knows who is right? It's all politics.

Still Meeting with CAIR

re: #139 Occasional Reader

All of those dishes were really invented by Muslims, of course.

/

* ***
As we used to say, "Alah, que barbaridad!"

You may know we have different intonations of this "allah" derived expression. AL-lah, or A-LAH.

re: #132 alegrias

* * * *
Encourage YOUR representatives to "grow some balls" as you say, and adopt "Keep Terrorists Out of America Act," be they blue dog Democrats or Republicans.

Many Dems are hearing from their constituents that it's ok to be against terrorists threatening us.

Democrats are watching Pakistan implode, so it's get serious time. This time it's on their watch.

It sounds good and I'm glad the Repubs are doing this, BUT, IMHO, the zero will release these people through executive order or through the federal courts long before this bill even makes it out of committee.

re: #16 stuiec

Be fair: he only wants to bring the good GITMO terrorists to your neighborhood: the Chinese ones, who want to murder Chinese citizens and leave the murder of Americans to others.

Yeah, well, in that case they definately can't come to San Francisco. Look! I have an excuse!

re: #143 Soona'

It sounds good and I'm glad the Repubs are doing this, BUT, IMHO, the zero will release these people through executive order or through the federal courts long before this bill even makes it out of committee.

* * * *
And how are you gonna put lipstick on those GITMO boyz and convince Americans it's fine & dandy?

Terrorists in the USA, major publicity disaster for Dems.

I didn't watch the love fest at the White House Correspondents' Dinner last night, but I did see the clip of this Sykes bitch.

Did PBO get a standing "O" for is Chaney quip and the comment about knowing all of the journalist in the room voted for him.

FUCK...four years of listening to these bullshit jokes?

Will someone on the right please grow a pair!

I may be the only Lizard on the "other" side of the fence. Not only do i hope the FBI CONTINUES to meet with CAIR, but I hope they are taping (video AND audio) every single meeting. I also hope that with that info the FBI are training operatives to infiltrate CAIR in deep cover!

IMHO

re: #146 jorline

I didn't watch the love fest at the White House Correspondents' Dinner last night, but I did see the clip of this Sykes bitch.

Did PBO get a standing "O" for is Chaney quip and the comment about knowing all of the journalist in the room voted for him.

FUCK...four years of listening to these bullshit jokes?

Will someone on the right please grow a pair!

* * * *
There WERE boos even in that crowd.
Stay classy, Mr. President.

re: #84 swamprat

There are. They do not get much press.

They're so boring.

/

re: #147 sattv4u2

I may be the only Lizard on the "other" side of the fence. Not only do i hope the FBI CONTINUES to meet with CAIR, but I hope they are taping (video AND audio) every single meeting. I also hope that with that info the FBI are training operatives to infiltrate CAIR in deep cover!

IMHO

If could feel comfortable that this whole "meeting with CAIR" was actually that sort of Jack Baueresque brilliant cover operation, I'd be with you. Alas, I'm pretty sure it was PC bullshit instead. So I'm glad it ended.

re: #145 alegrias

* * * *
And how are you gonna put lipstick on those GITMO boyz and convince Americans it's fine & dandy?

Terrorists in the USA, major publicity disaster for Dems.

They won. And they're in the process of "fixing" the voting process so they won't have to care. That's seems to be the plan anyway.

re: #150 Occasional Reader

If could feel comfortable that this whole "meeting with CAIR" was actually that sort of Jack Baueresque brilliant cover operation, I'd be with you. Alas, I'm pretty sure it was PC bullshit instead. So I'm glad it ended.

I don't think so. I'm sure on the surface the FBI "played nicey nice" with CAIR, but I'll bet it was a fishing expedition to see what/ how CAIR responded to being 'in the loop".

- The Council on American-Islamic Relations Created For Hamas -
An FBI Investigation Reveals CAIR's Founder Omar Ahmad
"A Leader Of The Palestinian Committee"

re: #152 sattv4u2

I don't think so. I'm sure on the surface the FBI "played nicey nice" with CAIR, but I'll bet it was a fishing expedition to see what/ how CAIR responded to being 'in the loop".

Sorry, I just don't see it. "Hey, FBI, you know, we're getting along so well... would you like to see our list of Hamas moles currently in the US? Just buddy to buddy?" Doesn't make sense to me.

re: #115 Desert Dog

The AZ state tax on tobacco is really high. People save quite a bit driving to the reservations. I am glad I quit 17 years ago. I think a pack of Marlboro's was $1.50 and I was complaining about that.

I had just bought my first $1.25 pack of Malboro's and began to think how much they cost me. I threw the pack away unopened. That was the end of that.

re: #141 Reluctant Democrat

Well, Debbie Schlussel disagrees with the IP. Who knows who is right? It's all politics.

Schlussel is a buddy of Spencer and not in great odour here.

The core of Schlussel's rant stands, though. That would be this article from SF Gate. What I take from this, is that the FBI won't meet with "CAIR"; but will continue to meet with ad-hoc coalitions of Muslims who, oopsie, just happen, by coincidence and accident to be sure, to have a bunch of CAIR bigwigs in charge.

Looks like the new boss is same as the old boss.

re: #148 alegrias

* * * *
There WERE boos even in that crowd.
Stay classy, Mr. President.

There were boos...someone should have told her to sit down and STFU.
We're going to get to see the LLL in living color for the next four years.

LLL Posterboy

re: #154 Occasional Reader

Sorry, I just don't see it. "Hey, FBI, you know, we're getting along so well... would you like to see our list of Hamas moles currently in the US? Just buddy to buddy?" Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not naive to think that a CAIR rep would say something that overt, but the FBI has specialists in syntax, body language, and just getiing the names/ photos/ DNA (off of papers and coffee cups, as well as fingerprints) could lead to some interesting finds

I was ok with not smoking until age 17 at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina where a pack of Marlboros was $.18 and smoking was the norm among my compadres

I smoked 2 1/2 -3 packs a day from the time I was 16 till I was about 32. I quit cold turkey and never even had the urge since (some 23 years later)

re: #157 jorline

There were boos...someone should have told her to sit down and STFU.
We're going to get to see the LLL in living color for the next four years.

LLL Posterboy

* * * *
The Hill reported both President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama told that tacky comic "Great Job".

Hope Americans who watched that boorish woman classlessly attack Bush Administration officials will disagree with the Obama's taste in humor.

Nothing like making fun of handicapped people and those who served their country ably & well, Mr. President. You stay classy!

re: #161 alegrias

Hope Americans who watched that boorish woman classlessly attack Bush Administration officials will disagree with the Obama's taste in humor.

Not one mind will be changed. Those that voted for him will defend him, those that didn't will see it as we do

re: #147 sattv4u2

I may be the only Lizard on the "other" side of the fence. Not only do i hope the FBI CONTINUES to meet with CAIR, but I hope they are taping (video AND audio) every single meeting. I also hope that with that info the FBI are training operatives to infiltrate CAIR in deep cover!

IMHO

It's a mixed bag. Keeping a PLO office open in the States may just be a convenient way to anchor some of them to a specific location and keep track of them. Talking with CAIR may be a useful way to keep track of their nefarious activities. The downside is that you give them an air of legitimacy and respectability because you can't admit that your prime reason for allowing them in the open is to spy on them.

"While this is good news, it needs to be asked why it took the FBI so long to recognize that the Council on American Islamic Relations was up to no good? Their agenda was never exactly a secret — defending terrorists, making excuses for Hamas and Hezbollah, and harassing critics (including yours truly) with bogus “hate crime” reports. For years, the FBI acted like an obedient lap dog for this group, and that’s a disgrace."

Most of the same complaints / statements in bold above could be lodged against the Democrats, but without any 'position changes' in sight.

This seems like a good idea to me...
Big US Banks May Be Headed For Extinction—And Soon

“In the next few months, we'll see the tacitly nationalized banks—Bank of America, Citigroup [C 4.02 0.21 (+5.51%) ] —sold off rapidly into pieces, turned into much smaller banks,” Sanders Morris Harris Group Chairman George Ball predicted on CNBC Thursday, adding the government wants to send a strong message, to “punish too-big-to-fail banks that have blotted their copy and not exonerate their management.”

“Five years from now, these banks will be broken up,” is how FBR Capital Markets bank analyst Paul J Miller sees it.

From Washington to Wall Street to Main Street, a dramatic change in conventional thinking appears to underway.

“Some institutions are too big to exist, because they are too interconnected," Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) told CNBC earlier this week. “The regulators can’t regulate them.”

That conclusion became painfully obvious in the two faces of the financial crisis.

While we are all familiar with the more well known political dynasties in the US (Kennedy, Bush, even Gore), are we on the verge of another one?

Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, announces he is running for the Senate!

Savor the thought of a Paulian dynasty...

"While this is good news, it needs to be asked why it took the FBI so long to recognize that the Council on American Islamic Relations was up to no good?"
Hopefully they were taking care of bigger fish than CAIR, as frightening as that may be.

re: #156 Zimriel

Schlussel is a buddy of Spencer and not in great odour here.

The core of Schlussel's rant stands, though. That would be this article from SF Gate. What I take from this, is that the FBI won't meet with "CAIR"; but will continue to meet with ad-hoc coalitions of Muslims who, oopsie, just happen, by coincidence and accident to be sure, to have a bunch of CAIR bigwigs in charge.

Looks like the new boss is same as the old boss.

This whole thing just doesn't add up. On one hand, the zero plays as the long lost muslim brother to the likes of Assad and Dinnerjacket, bows low to the Saudi king, and on the other hand approves of the FBI dropping formal relations with CAIR. The contradictions are too strange. Something's afoot.

There is no way that recent revelations about Pelosi's lies and entanglements with "torture" will stop the moves to prosecute any and all Bush admin. officials, although the tactics used by those on a withchunt in congress may change a bit.

Actually, the current lot in Washington seem to think that the whole press corps is firmly in their pockets and this Pelosi kerfluffle may have no effect at all.

re: #163 David IV of Georgia

It's a mixed bag. Keeping a PLO office open in the States may just be a convenient way to anchor some of them to a specific location and keep track of them. Talking with CAIR may be a useful way to keep track of their nefarious activities. The downside is that you give them an air of legitimacy and respectability because you can't admit that your prime reason for allowing them in the open is to spy on them.

But it's the same as my answer in #162 about Obama laughing at the "jokes'. RE: CAIR, no minds will be changed. Those like us know CAIR is a front and those apologists think CAIR is okay weather the FBI sits with them or calls them terrorists

re: #168 Soona'

This whole thing just doesn't add up. On one hand, the zero plays as the long lost muslim brother to the likes of Assad and Dinnerjacket, bows low to the Saudi king, and on the other hand approves of the FBI dropping formal relations with CAIR. The contradictions are too strange. Something's afoot.

I don't know. We've always played two games, minimum, with the Middle East. I don't take Obama's public appearances and diplomatic statements at face value, and neither do Assad or Haman II.

re: #165 Killgore Trout

This seems like a good idea to me...
Big US Banks May Be Headed For Extinction—And Soon

Sounds like just another excuse for a government take-over to me.

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

Rand runs, pushes for Paul Power, Ron proud.

Ru Paul!

re: #165 Killgore Trout

So ,,, Obama and Giethner think it's okay to break up big banks and punish big business BUT to reward HUGE labor unions (Hello, UAW,,, have a car company, on us!)

re: #173 Soona'

Sounds like just another excuse for a government take-over to me.

What we need here is a post from Iron Fist about "trust".

re: #52 Desert Dog

from the linked article: Another Saudi judge, in the city of Onaiza, was the source of a separate recent controversy: he twice denied a request from the mother of an 8-year-old girl that the girl be granted a divorce from her 47-year-old husband. Last month, after human-groups condemned the union, the girl was granted the divorce.

Damn, they have a long long way to go...I had to read those two sentences three times before it could sink in that the wife was an 8 year old girl and her MOTHER was the one requesting the divorce on her daughter's behalf. So I guess Dad got his baby daughter married off and Mom wasn't too happy about the 47 year old husband. Is that an ever-so-slight glimmer of hope for girls in Saudi? Or just wishful thinking on my part? I wonder if the mother suffered repercussions for her actions in protecting her little girl?

re: #170 sattv4u2

But it's the same as my answer in #162 about Obama laughing at the "jokes'. RE: CAIR, no minds will be changed. Those like us know CAIR is a front and those apologists think CAIR is okay weather the FBI sits with them or calls them terrorists

I hope that the FBI is smart enough that they were never fooled into thinking CAIR was a legitimate organization. Their press releases, their defenses of radicals, their cries of "hate crime" all looked a bit too much like propaganda than fact.

/Does the FBI have my 167 IQ?

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul's gold standard would give the US a new motto: "Ingots we trust."

I wonder if Rand's older brother is named "Kruger"?

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul's gold standard would give the US a new motto: "Ingots we trust."

He could also revamp a Teddy Roosevelt slogan: Bullion for our side!

re: #178 countrygurl

Damn, they have a long long way to go...I had to read those two sentences three times before it could sink in that the wife was an 8 year old girl and her MOTHER was the one requesting the divorce on her daughter's behalf. So I guess Dad got his baby daughter married off and Mom wasn't too happy about the 47 year old husband. Is that an ever-so-slight glimmer of hope for girls in Saudi? Or just wishful thinking on my part? I wonder if the mother suffered repercussions for her actions in protecting her little girl?

Good question. My bet is that she'll suffer. A very brave mom she is.

re: #178 countrygurl

Damn, they have a long long way to go...I had to read those two sentences three times before it could sink in that the wife was an 8 year old girl and her MOTHER was the one requesting the divorce on her daughter's behalf. So I guess Dad got his baby daughter married off and Mom wasn't too happy about the 47 year old husband. Is that an ever-so-slight glimmer of hope for girls in Saudi? Or just wishful thinking on my part? I wonder if the mother suffered repercussions for her actions in protecting her little girl?

I've been praying for mom and daughter.

I think there are a lot of Saudis, women and men, who know that their country is seriously effed up. There are some organizations forming. It's really hard for them. Dangerous. Frustrating as hell.

But God is on their side, which has to count for something.

re: #175 sattv4u2

So ,,, Obama and Giethner think it's okay to break up big banks and punish big business BUT to reward HUGE labor unions (Hello, UAW,,, have a car company, on us!)

Hey UAW, I bought a car made in a foreign country by a foreign company who seem to try to make good cars without wanting to put me into permanent indentured servitude to pay for it yesterday.

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

Rand runs, pushes for Paul Power, Ron proud.

Rand runs, Ron proud: pushes Paul Power

/ R³P⁴

I just finished reading Extreme Measures by Vince Flynn. Normally, I would spend the time on LGF instead, but the book was suggested by person I know who is in with the in crowd with these dems in D.C. It is making the rounds and is apparently considered a real nail biter. It is an exciting story, but I'm wondering whether any dems will take the moral of the story to heart. Please stand by and I'll report back what my friend says about that. (PS this post is 97% on topic).

re: #185 David IV of Georgia

Hey UAW, I bought a car made in a foreign country the USA by a foreign company who seem to try to make good cars without wanting to put me into permanent indentured servitude to pay for it yesterday.

Lots of Japanese factories now in Alabama, Georgia, et al paying good wages with bennies NON union

re: #186 stuiec

Rand runs, Ron proud: pushes Paul Power

/ R³P⁴

I glumly admit, I'm missing the joke here.

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

Depends how they veldt at the christening.

"Yes, we kaans"?

Sorry, folks. I generally don't do OT, but having just (finally) read the text of Benedicts address in Jordan, the one that was found to be "disappointing" in its lack of apologia, I just had to post, IMHO, a key graph:

"For this reason we cannot fail to be concerned that today, with increasing insistency, some maintain that religion fails in its claim to be, by nature, a builder of unity and harmony, an expression of communion between persons and with God. Indeed some assert that religion is necessarily a cause of division in our world; and so they argue that the less attention given to religion in the public sphere the better. Certainly, the contradiction of tensions and divisions between the followers of different religious traditions, sadly, cannot be denied. However, is it not also the case that often it is the ideological manipulation of religion, sometimes for political ends, that is the real catalyst for tension and division, and at times even violence in society? In the face of this situation, where the opponents of religion seek not simply to silence its voice but to replace it with their own, the need for believers to be true to their principles and beliefs is felt all the more keenly. Muslims and Christians, precisely because of the burden of our common history so often marked by misunderstanding, must today strive to be known and recognized as worshippers of God faithful to prayer, eager to uphold and live by the Almighty's decrees, merciful and compassionate, consistent in bearing witness to all that is true and good, and ever mindful of the common origin and dignity of all human persons, who remain at the apex of God's creative design for the world and for history."

What if Muslim clerics issued the same statement and, more importantly, were true to the statement. What if Islam truly became the "religion of peace" that it professes to be, by embracing this outreach and logic put forth by Benedict?

Yeah, I know, not bloody likely, but this is a teaching moment that requires the willingness to learn.

My apologies for interrupting the thread.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Interesting: If you google Obama CAIR

The first result goes to a Spencer article from October of last year about a lawyer named Joe Sandler who was complaining about Spencer speaking to the White Nationalist group called Young America's Foundation.

Careful there. There are two YAFs - One is Young Americans for Freedom, the Michigan chapter is def. white nationalist - it's where Kyle Bristow was spawned. The other is Young America's Foundation, Jason Mattera does vids over at Hot Air.

re: #189 Occasional Reader

Not so much a joke as silly wordplay: alluring alliterative alternatives.

Son is over to prepare dinner for his mommy, gourmet vegan!

I get to eat too.

Whoo Hoo!

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey
HEY, BUZZ, YOU'RE PRETTY FUNNY SOMETIMES!

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Son is over to prepare dinner for his mommy, gourmet vegan!

I get to eat too.

Whoo Hoo!

SHOCKA!

re: #188 sattv4u2

Lots of Japanese factories now in Alabama, Georgia, et al paying good wages with bennies NON union

Some would say that the only reason the transplant automakers are faring so well is that they don't have such a huge pool of retirees to support, yet.

OTOH, they may have structured their retirement plans in a sane manner, who knows.

re: #188 sattv4u2

Lots of Japanese factories now in Alabama, Georgia, et al paying good wages with bennies NON union

This one was made in Seoul. I would have also been happy to buy an American car made by a Nipponese company. Most Detroit steel now has too high a cost per value for me.

re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist

I've been praying for mom and daughter.

I think there are a lot of Saudis, women and men, who know that their country is seriously effed up. There are some organizations forming. It's really hard for them. Dangerous. Frustrating as hell.

But God is on their side, which has to count for something.

Maybe this is one of the by-products of a free Iraq. I'm sure there are many people (women) in the surrounding muslim countries that watched the coverage of Iraq's elections and noticed all the Iraqi women walking around with purple fingers.

re: #192 Thanos

Careful there. There are two YAFs - One is Young Americans for Freedom, the Michigan chapter is def. white nationalist - it's where Kyle Bristow was spawned. The other is Young America's Foundation, Jason Mattera does vids over at Hot Air.

If YAF is allowing such things as you suggest, then they have moved a loong way from their beginnings at Sharon.

re: #192 Thanos

Careful there. There are two YAFs - One is Young Americans for Freedom, the Michigan chapter is def. white nationalist - it's where Kyle Bristow was spawned. The other is Young America's Foundation, Jason Mattera does vids over at Hot Air.

And if I'm not mistaken, just to make things more confusing, I think the latter used to be named the former? At least, back when I was in college, the "Young Americans for Freedom" was a mainstream conservative group, definitely nothing white supremacist about them.

re: #197 Capitalist Tool

Some would say that the only reason the transplant automakers are faring so well is that they don't have such a huge pool of retirees to support, yet.

OTOH, they may have structured their retirement plans in a sane manner, who knows.

They've been making cars for decades, albeit in Japan, or Germany, Korea, etc. So I'm sure they have 'retirees", juts no many in Florida yet

(wonder what the Japanese phrase is for Early Bird Special?)

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

re: #195 countrygurl

HEY, BUZZ, YOU'RE PRETTY FUNNY SOMETIMES!

How nice of you to say so.

(Suggestion: you could reply, "countrygurl, I think you're pretty/got to make you understand/have no lover in the city/let me be your country man")

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

gourmet vegan?
There is a joke in there somewhere. ;)

Enjoy the time with your family.

re: #85 Killgore Trout

I don't know. I'm sure that's possible but it's tough to keep track of all these obscure groups and what they're up to.

No, that was Young Americans for Freedom, Michigan chapter, Kyle Bristow. Something in the water up there, also stomping grounds for Randy Gray.

[Link: michiganmessenger.com...]

re: #205 DEZes

gourmet vegan?
There is a joke in there somewhere. ;)

Enjoy the time with your family.

Brussel Sprouts wrapped in tofu Caviar

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Except for the small matter that a) I don't know the song, and b) am otherwise involved.

Details, details.

re: #202 Occasional Reader

And if I'm not mistaken, just to make things more confusing, I think the latter used to be named the former? At least, back when I was in college, the "Young Americans for Freedom" was a mainstream conservative group, definitely nothing white supremacist about them.

Most chapters are not, the group was started by Buckley.

re: #208 sattv4u2

Brussel Sprouts wrapped in tofu Caviar

with a dessert of fruitarian half- rotted pear compote

re: #200 Soona'

I'm sure there are many people (women) in the surrounding muslim countries that watched the coverage of Iraq's elections and noticed all the Iraqi women walking around with purple fingers.

Prolly a grain of truth here. When women can drive themselves -- alone -- to the polls in Iraq (and elsewhere) is when we'll know that woman have made real strides to independance. Of course, that is exactly what the males don't want.

re: #197 Capitalist Tool

Some would say that the only reason the transplant automakers are faring so well is that they don't have such a huge pool of retirees to support, yet.

OTOH, they may have structured their retirement plans in a sane manner, who knows.

They certainly don't seem to be having the cash pitfalls that the big 3 are having.

re: #213 Soona'

They certainly don't seem to be having the cash pitfalls that the big 3 are having.

toyota just announced their first loss
ever

re: #202 Occasional Reader

And if I'm not mistaken, just to make things more confusing, I think the latter used to be named the former? At least, back when I was in college, the "Young Americans for Freedom" was a mainstream conservative group, definitely nothing white supremacist about them.

Also they were threatened with chapter revocation and Kyle I think has moved on, he's now writing articles for the same webzines as Fjordman and Belien.

[Link: michiganmessenger.com...]

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Except for the small matter that a) I don't know the song, and b) am otherwise involved.

she's way too Young

re: #207 Thanos

No, that was Young Americans for Freedom, Michigan chapter, Kyle Bristow. Something in the water up there, also stomping grounds for Randy Gray.

[Link: michiganmessenger.com...]

Kyle has pictures of himself with such luminaries as Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz at his site.

re: #125 solomonpanting

OT:

Cheney: Interrogations saved 'hundreds of thousands' of lives

"I'm convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of lives," Cheney said, arguing again that Al-Qaeda was bent on attacking a US city with a nuclear device.

If that's the case, open up the files and show what, when, who and how a specific attack was prevented. It really is a case of put up or shut up.

re: #218 Sharmuta

Kyle has pictures of himself with such luminaries as Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz at his site.

Smoke and mirrors-

re: #215 Capitalist Tool

toyota just announced their first loss
ever

And I'll bet they're already being pro-active about it. Cutting production, expenses, etc until the next quarter results

re: #212 countrygurl

Of course, that is exactly what the males Allah don't want.
Fixed it.

re: #221 sattv4u2

And I'll bet they're already being pro-active about it. Cutting production, expenses, etc until the next quarter results

not taking that bet-

The whole trick to "hate crime" laws is to first recriminalize that which has always been strictly forbidden: assault and battery, felony assault, arson, and murder. Who could object to that?

Then they change the content of the law by redefine the words that spell out what is a hate crime: In stage I, "assault" comes to include political and verbal assault. In stage II, "political and verbal assault" comes to includes reporting of events that, while true and newsworthy, tend to put the protected group in a bad light. And so on.

re: #218 Sharmuta

Kyle has pictures of himself with such luminaries as Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz at his site.

He's got a posed photo with lots of pols, WN's like Kyle are basically narcissists and go for the photo ops at every chance. Something R's really have to watch out for.

re: #208 sattv4u2

Brussel Sprouts wrapped in tofu Caviar

But caviar is fish eggs. You know. Unviable tissue mass. What's wrong with using the real stuff?

#126 Thanos: I'm carrying this over to the next thread as it is more on topic there...

re: #219 Cato the Elder

If that's the case, open up the files and show what, when, who and how a specific attack was prevented. It really is a case of put up or shut up.

I don't think it's up to Cheney to declassify the memos.

I wonder if the MA 'buy a car for a welfare dud" program is "buying American"?

re: #224 lostlakehiker
Cussin' someone out is already considered assault. At least it is here in Virginia. It's assault and BATTERY if you get beaten up, only assualt if it's words.

re: #226 Soona'

But caviar is fish eggs. You know. Unviable tissue mass. What's wrong with using the real stuff?

Why waste it? It's only for FVB !

//just kiddin FVB ,,, well ,, sort uh !

re: #227 Zimriel

#126 Thanos: I'm carrying this over to the next thread as it is more on topic there...

216, pimf

re: #215 Capitalist Tool

toyota just announced their first loss
ever

That is probably from a down economy. It's to be expected.

VEGAN definition: NOTHING with a face or a mother.

re: #233 Soona'

That is probably from a down economy. It's to be expected.

Someone told me years ago when Toyotas were still made only in Toyota City (or whatever name) that the workers were so dedicated that they'd practically have to put someone on suicide watch if they scratched a door... no personal clue to veracity of claim, however.

re: #208 sattv4u2

Brussel Sprouts wrapped in tofu Caviar

Cornmeal chili crusted tofu...served with a curry coconut and spinach risotto. Baguettes.

re: #228 solomonpanting

I don't think it's up to Cheney to declassify the memos.

It's not. What Cheney is doing is basically imploring the zero to release these documents in full to show the American public what advanced interrogation techniques did to stop further attacks.

re: #230 countrygurl

You're in Roanoke, aintcha?

re: #235 Capitalist Tool

Someone told me years ago when Toyotas were still made only in Toyota City (or whatever name) that the workers were so dedicated that they'd practically have to put someone on suicide watch if they scratched a door... no personal clue to veracity of claim, however.

Those craaazy Japanese.

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cornmeal chili crusted tofu...served with a curry coconut and spinach risotto. Baguettes.

I just thew up a little in my throat. Thanks

Off to make a HUGE homemade meatball sub with melted parm cheese

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cornmeal chili crusted tofu...served with a curry coconut and spinach risotto. Baguettes.

mmm...what color tofool?

re: #234 countrygurl

VEGAN definition: NOTHING with a face or a mother.

mini- factoid: Crabgrass was imported by British to US as a last- ditch hole card against starvation as it always produces edible seed.
yummm

re: #240 sattv4u2

I just thew up a little in my throat. Thanks

Off to make a HUGE homemade meatball sub with melted parm cheese

MAN EAT!

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yep. How'd you know that?

re: #244 countrygurl

Yep. How'd you know that?

Hold on to your cowgirl hat.

Me too. I live in the Cave Spring area.

re: #242 Capitalist Tool

Crabgrass was imported by British to US as a last- ditch hole card against starvation as it always produces edible seed.

I somehow grew to adulthood w/o knowing that! What century?

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
if you want, send me a email, maybe we could meet for lunch or coffee I am not a vegan, tho. But I can EAT vegan just fine!

re: #247 countrygurl

My nic is blue. Never can figure out how to use the email thingy. Can't seem to get the "mail client" thing to work right.

You said something about the weather in Roanoke a few weeks ago...that's how I knew (in case you felt that it was creepy that I knew.)

re: #247 countrygurl

if you want, send me a email, maybe we could meet for lunch or coffee I am not a vegan, tho. But I can EAT vegan just fine!

CAUTION !

FVB promises to meet for lunch, then when you're on your way leaves you a lame message cancelling!

re: #217 albusteve

she's way too Young

Your post is like Deja Vu, all over again...

re: #249 sattv4u2

Yeah, but not in the same town; you big boston cream pie eating dumbass!

re: #249 sattv4u2

Why do they call it "beantown"?

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but not in the same town; you big boston cream pie eating dumbass!

yummm,,, pie !

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm a WYSIWYG -- just didn't realize people actually were paying attention to my posts. It has been raining a lot lately! Nice today, tho.

re: #254 countrygurl

Really? I'm a GWDKWTM!

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do they call it "beantown"?

because of the BEANS !

DUHHH !

re: #249 sattv4u2

FVB promises to meet for lunch, then when you're on your way leaves you a lame message cancelling!

Been there, done that?

re: #257 countrygurl

Been there, done that?

Yeah, I was in his town for a week...tried to hook-up... inconvenience gods stepped up.