Obama Tries to Block Release of Abuse Photos

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President Obama keeps surprising (and enraging) the far left, by actually taking his duties as Commander in Chief seriously: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos.

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is seeking to block the release of hundreds of photos showing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan being abused, reversing his position after military commanders warned that the images could stoke anti-American sentiment and endanger U.S. troops.

And again, I have to give Obama a thumbs-up for doing the right thing in this case, instead of pandering to the moveon.org crowd and the Democrats screaming for Bush administration blood.

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904 comments
1 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:35:36pm

Change!

2 zombie  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:36:13pm

Absence of change!

3 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:36:26pm

OT:
STS-125 is currently over southern Texas.

4 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:36:33pm

How long before the pictures 'leak' out?

5 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:37:26pm

Gotta protect his campaign staffers and volunteers, after all.

/ (kinda)

6 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:37:56pm

what is wrong with this picture?

7 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:38:04pm

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

Change!

re: #2 zombie

Absence of change!

What is change?

8 zombie  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:38:23pm
And again, I have to give Obama a thumbs-up for doing the right thing in this case, instead of pandering to the MoveOn.org crowd and the Democrats screaming for Bush administration blood.

I think that once any person becomes President, they get "The Briefing" in which the true horror of the international scene is revealed to him. And suddenly, he has no choice but to understand why his precedessor did what he did, and adopt similar policies.

9 zombie  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:38:28pm

And then they show him the Alien corpses in Hanger 54.

10 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:39:26pm

re: #7 callahan23

What is change?

The only wealth you're allowed to accumulate in the United States of Obama.

11 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:39:35pm

While Dear Leader may be doing the right thing in blocking the release of these pictures outright, I have little doubt that his stance is motivated (in part) by political expediency.

Remember, trust but verify...

12 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:40:33pm

re: #9 zombie

And then they show him the Alien corpses in Hanger 54.

Hangar 54 is also where they're hiding the real nirth certificate!

13 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:40:55pm

Nancy Pelosi must be in some of the pictures, that's the only explanation...

//

14 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:40:57pm

re: #9 zombie

I had to report that comment. Charles, please delete. Quickly. Before they get really mad./

15 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:41:08pm

re: #9 zombie

And then they show him the Alien corpses in Hanger 54.

Area 51?
When does he get to find out about the stargate in Cheyenne Mountain?

Actually, I thought the briefing was when he met the aliens that really control us. Oops, that's part of the science fiction novel I'm writing.

16 doppelganglander  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:41:29pm

This is both surprising and gratifying.

17 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:41:40pm

Thank you Charles.

President Obama stood up to the ACLU.
Let the ACLU's Jameel Jaffer seethe.
Not all US troops deserve punishment for the actions of a few morons.

Why should any lives be lost for the actions of a few, who presumably have been punished in the 6 or 7 years since those pictures were presumably taken?

18 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:41:45pm

re: #13 Kenneth

Or possuble Helen Thomas.

19 cheesehead  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:42:06pm

re: #4 NJDhockeyfan

How long before the pictures 'leak' out?

Soon. And I'm sure BHO will be outraged!

20 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:42:44pm

OMG Halliburton has gotten to Obama! Next thing you know, he will start bombing terrorists!

/

21 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:43:14pm

I cannot fathom anything in these pictures that would horrify me like the Danny Pearl, Adam Berg, and well, take your pick- why do so many people only rail when it is the United States being questions, or Israel for that matter?

I know I know, but can I still be amazed at the hypocrisy?

22 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:43:27pm

Reportedly, the most incriminating pictures show the detainees enjoying an 'Assassin's Creed' LAN party.

Who knew?

23 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:44:03pm

who athorized their release in the first place?...I'm confused

24 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:44:36pm

He must have an ulterior motive.

25 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:44:39pm

re: #23 albusteve

who athorized their release in the first place?...I'm confused

the court no?

26 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:44:40pm

re: #22 Gearhead

Reportedly, the most incriminating pictures show the detainees enjoying an 'Assassin's Creed' LAN party.

Who knew?

Are they sitting in the Comfy Chair?

27 Kragar  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:07pm

DAMN THAT INTERNATIONAL ZIONIST CABAL!

/

28 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:19pm

re: #20 Desert Dog

OMG Halliburton has gotten to Obama! Next thing you know, he will start bombing terrorists!

/

Oh, ... wait a minute .... is he still employing .... ah ... Predator drones in a place ... like ... ah ... Afghanistan / Pakistan?

29 nikis-knight  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:20pm

re: #8 zombie

I think that once any person becomes President, they get "The Briefing" in which the true horror of the international scene is revealed to him. And suddenly, he has no choice but to understand why his precedessor did what he did, and adopt similar policies.

It would be nice if Obama had the integrity to say something along the lines of "In the past I've been very harsh on my predecessor's administration for its tactics in dealing with the terrorists that threaten out country. While I still disagree with the decision to go to war, I realize the threat is real and there is some wisdom to practices x, y, and z, and after a review I will likely be continuing these."

Instead of something like:
As I said in the campaign, the actions of the former administration were terrible, and in the new era of hope that you and I have brought to this country, we will not be doing anything of the sort, *mumble* as of some point in the future.

30 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:32pm
31 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:33pm

re: #25 brookly red

the court no?

what court?....I thought BO himself authorized their release

32 experiencedtraveller  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:41pm
33 Ford_Prefect  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:46:07pm

He changed his mind when he learned that the torture consisted of making the detainees watch Chicago Cubs games.

/

Later Lizards!

34 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:46:31pm

re: #23 albusteve

who athorized their release in the first place?...I'm confused

* * * *
Yesterday on Fox Catherine Herridge reported some pictures were "released" by divorcing spouses of military, in divorce proceedings.

Anyone stupid enough to mistreat detainees & document it & send such dreck home to loved ones hopefully was punished for their crime.

35 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:46:33pm

re: #23 albusteve

who athorized their release in the first place?...I'm confused

Some low level White House staffer, no doubt. You know, the guy responsible for any policy that comes across making the President bad.

36 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:46:43pm

Kooks to the right of me, moonbats to the left, and here I am stuck in the middle with you.

I figure that we should be one of the few sane outlets left in the blogosphere by October. Those to both the right and the left will have gone batshit crazy by then.

37 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:47:54pm

re: #12 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hangar 54 is also where they're hiding the real nirth certificate!

From the secret 57th state on Omicron Persei 8.

/

38 Cheesehead  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:47:56pm

re: #35 Desert Dog

Some low level White House staffer, no doubt. You know, the guy responsible for any policy that comes across making the President bad.

Probably the same guy who "authorized" the NY city flyover.

39 Kragar  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:02pm

Is that a bus I see?

40 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:03pm

Considering some would use any excuse to riot and seethe that they can get their hands on (even cartoons will do), not giving them the ammunition is just smart, regardless of party politics.

41 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:05pm

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

Kooks to the right of me, moonbats to the left, and here I am stuck in the middle with you.

I figure that we should be one of the few sane outlets left in the blogosphere by October. Those to both the right and the left will have gone batshit crazy by then.

It won't take all the way to October; we're pretty close to being the only sane place now.

42 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:06pm

re: #31 albusteve

what court?....I thought BO himself authorized their release

I think, that the ACLU sued for their release under the freedom of information act & the high court sided with them... I think.

43 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:15pm

I want to see him on an Apologize to America tour. Since he went around the world and called us morally bankrupt for our Bush era security policies and now he's keeping them mostly in place, it's only fittin' that he owes US a big apology.

44 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:25pm

re: #35 Desert Dog

Some low level White House staffer, no doubt. You know, the guy responsible for any policy that comes across making the President bad.

It's Air Force One Picture Guy!

/he did it

45 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:29pm

re: #4 NJDhockeyfan

How long before the pictures 'leak' out?

Cynic!

46 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:04pm

re: #38 Cheesehead

Probably the same guy who "authorized" the NY city flyover.

NO, he's gone. But there is a replacement ready. Kinda like the new crew member on a Star Trek episode. You know right away they are going to die.

47 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:07pm

re: #34 alegrias

* * * *
Yesterday on Fox Catherine Herridge reported some pictures were "released" by divorcing spouses of military, in divorce proceedings.

Anyone stupid enough to mistreat detainees & document it & send such dreck home to loved ones hopefully was punished for their crime.

yes I read that and assumed those were the pics that we all saw back then...if there were more to be released by the feds it seems someone, somewhere knows who that person is...I thought it was BO...he is the CinC

48 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:15pm

re: #31 albusteve

what court?....I thought BO himself authorized their release


The ACLU sued the Pentagon for their release and won in court. The Bush administration had been fighting the legal battle to keep them under wraps for national security reasons. Obama's original stance was to stop fighting the legal battle. That has now changed with his direction to Justice to continue the fight (possibly an appeal to the Supreme Court).

49 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:24pm

re: #44 OldLineTexan

It's Air Force One Picture Guy!

/he did it

TOTUS did it. . . :)

50 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:26pm

re: #2 zombie

Absence of change!

Only in such security/WOT policies. The economic policies, however, are completely changing the free market landscape.

51 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:26pm

re: #35 Desert Dog

Some low level White House staffer, no doubt. You know, the guy responsible for any policy that comes across making the President bad.

impossible

52 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:45pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

NO, he's gone. But there is a replacement ready. Kinda like the new crew member on a Star Trek episode. You know right away they are going to die.

Heh. Red Shirt Staffers. Yeoman Expendable.

53 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:58pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

NO, he's gone. But there is a replacement ready. Kinda like the new crew member on a Star Trek episode. You know right away they are going to die.

wearing a red shirt, huh?

54 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:50:25pm

re: #48 eschew_obfuscation

The ACLU sued the Pentagon for their release and won in court. The Bush administration had been fighting the legal battle to keep them under wraps for national security reasons. Obama's original stance was to stop fighting the legal battle. That has now changed with his direction to Justice to continue the fight (possibly an appeal to the Supreme Court).

ahhh...thank you, I'll buy next round

55 Cheesehead  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:50:28pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

NO, he's gone. But there is a replacement ready. Kinda like the new crew member on a Star Trek episode. You know right away they are going to die.

Like the teeth in a sharks mouth-all lined up to move forward when one is shed!

56 Right mind left  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:50:35pm

Is it his turn to be the "good cop"?


/?

57 tedzilla99  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:50:53pm

If he hadn't released the memos and pictures earlier, I'd be inclined to give a thumbs up...but since he's already severely damaged our efforts overseas, it's just a spit in the ocean now.

58 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:51:08pm

If I worked for Barry these days, I'd feel like the guy hired by the Don to start his care very morning. It'd probably be all right, but each time, I'd hesitate before turning the key.

59 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:51:22pm

re: #56 Right mind left

Is it his turn to be the "good cop"?


/?

no- he is not a cop at all- this will not hold up if his numbers fall

60 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:51:37pm

re: #58 Guanxi88

If I worked for Barry these days, I'd feel like the guy hired by the Don to start his care very every morning. It'd probably be all right, but each time, I'd hesitate before turning the key.

61 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:51:40pm

re: #35 Desert Dog

Some low level White House staffer, no doubt. You know, the guy responsible for any policy that comes across making the President bad.

Probably the same guy who authorized the NY city fly bye.

62 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:51:47pm

re: #58 Guanxi88

If I worked for Barry these days, I'd feel like the guy hired by the Don to start his care very morning. It'd probably be all right, but each time, I'd hesitate before turning the key.

The first time it started OK, it would be off to the accessories place for a remote-start system at my expense.

63 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:06pm

other than andrew sullivan and the radical left, most level headed people have no problem with very harsh interrogation of three 9/11 planners.

We shall see if Obama flip flops again. I think he well. I hope I'm wrong.


Thanks to Liz Cheney for all of her brilliant commentary and media busting reality on this subject.

64 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:10pm

He should have thought this thru in the first place. I don't have an expensive Harvard degree or anywhere near his um, sufistikashun but I could tell that this was an extremely dangerous stirring of a pot that didn't need to be stirred, with little to no up-side.

65 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:12pm

re: #60 Guanxi88

car?

66 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:23pm

re: #62 OldLineTexan

The first time it started OK, it would be off to the accessories place for a remote-start system at my expense.

Dmmit! Ruined that metaphor, didn't ya?

67 Clubsec  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:42pm

Well, well. And you're going to give him credit for this decision?
Wouldn't it have been better if his AG had FOUGHT the ACLU, et al, before it got this far? Now, William J Clinton was labeled 'the boy president' due to his 'glandular proclivities'. ObamUH is the 'child president' because he has the judgement of a child.

68 Right mind left  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #65 DisturbedEma

car?

There was a space between car and every that made care very...

69 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #65 DisturbedEma

car?

keyboard problems - coffee everywhere.

70 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:52:58pm

You know what pictures should be released?

The ones the Predator drones take.

/old Sam Kinnison routine comes to mind

71 Mad Mullah  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:53:25pm

While this is obviously the right decision, I still can't say that I have much confidence in Obama, because he was the one who had the brilliant idea that they should be released in the first place. I'm just glad that there are probably a whole bunch of loony liberals that are steaming mad today. They are in favor of almost anything that helps terrorists and endangers American lives.

72 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:53:33pm

The ACLU does not seem to care what the possible effects of releasing these photos might be on the country do they? I guess they do not have in mind EVER for just about anything they do. They wrap themselves up in the Constitution, but in reality, they use it like toilet paper to make political points. I wonder how those people sleep at night

73 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:53:42pm

re: #25 brookly red

the court no?

It was in response to a Freedom of Information action brought by the ACLU. The Obama Administration could have appealed at the time, but for some reason did not, but will now.

74 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:54:31pm

re: #73 opnion

It was in response to a Freedom of Information action brought by the ACLU. The Obama Administration could have appealed at the time, but for some reason did not, but will now.

More like F&cking the Infidels

75 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:54:33pm

re: #72 Desert Dog

The ACLU does not seem to care what the possible effects of releasing these photos might be on the country do they? I guess they do not have in mind EVER for just about anything they do. They wrap themselves up in the Constitution, but in reality, they use it like toilet paper to make political points. I wonder how those people sleep at night

One eye open. . .

76 lawhawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:54:47pm

He was for the release of the photos before he was against them.

Obama's positions are ephemeral. They don't last. They have expiration dates, and anyone who thinks otherwise just has to look at this particular area of governance.

He can't pander to all the constituencies involved and still be in favor with them. The MoveOn/CodePink/Answer/ACLU fringe of the party can't wait to get these photos released, and they helped elect Obama.

The military and CIA keeps us safe so those mo-rons can protest to their heart's content without worrying on a day-to-day basis when the next terror attack comes (as was the case immediately after 9/11 when no one knew what would happen next).

Obama has run afoul of the military and the CIA on this front because they can see the damage being done to their institutions by this guy and his cronies in Congress. There is going to be pushback.

And Obama will learn that he has no friends in DC.

77 MandyManners  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:54:57pm

Tries to block? Is seeking to block?

WTF? He's the president. No one has more power than he does to release these.

78 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:10pm

re: #72 Desert Dog

The ACLU does not seem to care what the possible effects of releasing these photos might be on the country do they? I guess they do not have in mind EVER for just about anything they do. They wrap themselves up in the Constitution, but in reality, they use it like toilet paper to make political points. I wonder how those people sleep at night

They don't. They are the undead.

79 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:16pm

re: #4 NJDhockeyfan

How long before the pictures 'leak' out?

Probably not very, I'm afraid. Especially for ready money. Hell, somebody would probably pay to leak those memos.

80 S'latch  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:16pm

He would release the photos if he were a little less concerned about the potential political consequences to himself. He will return to pandering to the moonbats soon enough.

81 Right mind left  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:16pm

re: #59 DisturbedEma

no- he is not a cop at all- this will not hold up if his numbers fall

True, not a cop but he seems to frequently speak with forked tongue and one day he's on the bandwagon for prosecution then he is against ... I have very little belief in his sincerity for some odd reason. Lie to me once...

82 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:27pm

re: #76 lawhawk

G-d willing. . .

83 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:32pm

Good on you, Barry. There are times when you can afford to be partisan and times when you can't. This is one of the times you can't afford to be partisan--for if you do, you end up damaging the office of POTUS.

84 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:34pm

ot: New talking point alert:

Democratic senators are settling on affordability and choice as the selling points for their health care overhaul — instead of talking more about helping the uninsured.

total bullshit.

85 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #72 Desert Dog

The ACLU does not seem to care what the possible effects of releasing these photos might be on the country do they? I guess they do not have in mind EVER for just about anything they do. They wrap themselves up in the Constitution, but in reality, they use it like toilet paper to make political points. I wonder how those people sleep at night

You do not understand; they feel morally superior. They sleep the sleep of the supremely self-satisfied.

86 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:52pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Tries to block? Is seeking to block?

WTF? He's the president. No one has more power than he does to release these.

He has no power; he is power.

87 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:56pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Tries to block? Is seeking to block?

WTF? He's the president. No one has more power than he does to release these.

He has to WANT to block them. . .

88 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:57pm

re: #8 zombie

I think that once any person becomes President, they get "The Briefing" in which the true horror of the international scene is revealed to him. And suddenly, he has no choice but to understand why his precedessor did what he did, and adopt similar policies.

I wish I could believe that Obama changed his mind for altruistic reasons. Personally, I think he pays a lot more attention to the rank and file than Moveon would like him to. There has been an uproar over the Statue of Liberty Flyby photos being classified and unreleasable (is that a word) but every fricking pic out of Gitmo or Abu Graib (sp) being declassified.

I think he is just being wishy washy and if we get the right thing out of him, we'll take it. He is a politician and he is learning to judge the winds just like the Clintons did. Maybe he is learning quicker and wants to avoid a 2010 takeover.

89 Kragar  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:56:00pm

re: #52 OldLineTexan

Heh. Red Shirt Staffers. Yeoman Expendable.

Kirk: The away team will be me, Scotty, Spock and Ensign Richards.
Richards: Shit.

90 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:56:02pm

re: #62 OldLineTexan

The first time it started OK, it would be off to the accessories place for a remote-start system at my expense.

Clearly, you are never going to get a job writing opera librettos. You have far too much common sense!

91 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:56:13pm

re: #71 Mad Mullah

While this is obviously the right decision, I still can't say that I have much confidence in Obama, because he was the one who had the brilliant idea that they should be released in the first place. I'm just glad that there are probably a whole bunch of loony liberals that are steaming mad today. They are in favor of almost anything that helps terrorists and endangers American lives.

thanks for that...I'm not up to speed on this story...waffles anyone?

92 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:56:43pm

re: #84 FrogMarch

ot: New talking point alert:


total bullshit.

No, they are seeking to ELIMINATE affordability and choice. See?

/

93 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:57:07pm

re: #75 DisturbedEma

One eye open. . .

re: #85 OldLineTexan

You do not understand; they feel morally superior. They sleep the sleep of the supremely self-satisfied.

You are right. They are pretty smug about things, aren't they. If you do not have an conscience, nothing bothers you.

94 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:57:15pm

re: #81 Right mind left

True, not a cop but he seems to frequently speak with forked tongue and one day he's on the bandwagon for prosecution then he is against ... I have very little belief in his sincerity for some odd reason. Lie to me once...

EXACTLY and while my boys, all our men and women are there? I would get banned if I spoke my heart, which is why I speak my mind!

95 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:57:33pm

re: #63 FrogMarch

other than andrew sullivan and the radical left, most level headed people have no problem with very harsh interrogation of three 9/11 planners.

We shall see if Obama flip flops again. I think he well. I hope I'm wrong.

Thanks to Liz Cheney for all of her brilliant commentary and media busting reality on this subject.

* * * *
The whole Cheney family are patriots.
Imagine listening to cheating two timin' John Edwards talk about your daughter's sex life.
Talk about brave level headed daughter taking on the liberal haters in the media, doing PR for her own Dad when others won't.
Mrs. Cheney has written many childrens books on America.
This family has been in the public eye nearly 50 years, and they're still humble.

96 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:57:36pm

re: #72 Desert Dog

The ACLU does not seem to care what the possible effects of releasing these photos might be on the country do they? I guess they do not have in mind EVER for just about anything they do. They wrap themselves up in the Constitution, but in reality, they use it like toilet paper to make political points. I wonder how those people sleep at night

it's just legal shakedown...the threatened to sue Las Cruces over their city name and LC said bring it on

97 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:57:41pm

re: #90 Dianna

Clearly, you are never going to get a job writing opera librettos. You have far too much common sense!

Technology has ruined lotsa good plots.

98 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:57:41pm

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kirk: The away team will be me, Scotty, Spock and Ensign Richards.
Richards: Shit.

Captain! Over her. . .

99 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:58:07pm

re: #79 davinvalkri

Memos? God, I'm behind the times. Pictures, Pictures!

100 Mad Mullah  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:58:25pm

re: #91 albusteve

thanks for that...I'm not up to speed on this story...waffles anyone?

I stand corrected. If it wasn't his idea, then he certainly had no objections to them being released.

101 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:58:43pm

re: #98 DisturbedEma

Captain! Over her. . .

Must've found one of those green women ...

////

102 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:58:52pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

Considering some would use any excuse to riot and seethe that they can get their hands on (even cartoons will do), not giving them the ammunition is just smart SANE, regardless of party politics.

103 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:59:26pm

re: #11 talon_262

While Dear Leader may be doing the right thing in blocking the release of these pictures outright, I have little doubt that his stance is motivated (in part) by political expediency.

Remember, trust but verify...

I would tend to agree. It's a happy result, nonetheless.

104 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:59:28pm

re: #99 davinvalkri

Memos? God, I'm behind the times. Pictures, Pictures!

I'd bet a clinical description of each photo would be sufficient for seething purposes.

105 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:59:47pm

re: #92 OldLineTexan

No, they are seeking to ELIMINATE affordability and choice. See?

/

It will be wonderful - like the TSA and the DMV. Just toss out the words "affordability" and "choice" and suddenly the shit cake is smothered in sweet yummy goodness. take your pill.

106 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:59:53pm

re: #79 davinvalkri

Probably not very, I'm afraid. Especially for ready money. Hell, somebody would probably pay to leak those memos.

If anyone want to get these pictures out just sell them to the NYT. They will be front page the next day with no regards for the safety of this country.

107 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:59:53pm

and speaking of leaks... I love this one about the leaked memo from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) that questions the EPA findings on CO2 being a “threat to human health”.

108 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 12:59:53pm

re: #96 albusteve

it's just legal shakedown...the threatened to sue Las Cruces over their city name and LC said bring it on

Well, that is their typical MO.

"We have lots of money, we have many lawyers. We will sue the shit out of you if you dare to not listen to our whims."

In most cases, I think people cave. You need deep pockets to fight them.

109 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:00:03pm

re: #91 albusteve

thanks for that...I'm not up to speed on this story...waffles anyone?

As long as they aren't belgium waffles

110 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:00:05pm
111 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:00:08pm

re: #100 Mad Mullah

I stand corrected. If it wasn't his idea, then he certainly had no objections to them being released.

ultimately that's the point...it is what it is....BO could care less of the risk if it enhances his leftwing image...nothing noble here that I see

112 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:00:48pm

re: #13 Kenneth

Nancy Pelosi must be in some of the pictures, that's the only explanation...

//

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

113 DisturbedEma  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:00:52pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

Must've found one of those green women ...

////

Oh SNAP- Kirk is the only Slut puppy I could stand. . .and while his "prime directive shmime directive" attitude made me mad. . .I like him:)

114 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:01:02pm

re: #76 lawhawk
The interesting thing about Obama's reversal is that Gibbs said that it is based on a new national security arguement, that has not been made yet.
He was not at liberty to tell the press or did not know what the new arguement is.
This sounds a little hinky.

115 vxbush  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:01:03pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

T.M.I.

116 wrenchwench  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:01:14pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

TORTURE!

117 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:01:22pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

I'd bet a clinical description of each photo would be sufficient for seething purposes.

And I'll bet that nothing needs to be clinical

"pink panties were put on their noggins"
"dogs were put in the same jail as them"
"uncovered cat meat guards on cell block D"

118 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:01:43pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

You forget. She doesn't believe in torture./

119 Kragar  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:01:43pm

re: #98 DisturbedEma

Captain! Over her. . .

Next scene, Kirk and Spock are crouched over a pile of ash with a phaser on top of it

120 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:08pm

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

Kooks to the right of me, moonbats to the left, and here I am stuck in the middle with you.

I figure that we should be one of the few sane outlets left in the blogosphere by October. Those to both the right and the left will have gone batshit crazy by then.

Hello, hello...it's getting cold on this island...
I'm so alone...I'm so sad on my own...
The truth is...we were much too young...
Now I'm looking for you...or anyone like you...
/I blame World in Conflict!

121 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:15pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

Did the recipient confess?

Need I ask?

122 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:18pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

There goes my lunch.

123 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:26pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next scene, Kirk and Spock are crouched over a pile of ash with a phaser on top of it

"...he had so much promise.....Oh well, two to beam up, Scotty"

124 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:42pm

re: #108 Desert Dog

Well, that is their typical MO.

"We have lots of money, we have many lawyers. We will sue the shit out of you if you dare to not listen to our whims."

In most cases, I think people cave. You need deep pockets to fight them.

quite a bit of the legal legwork is volunteer I understand....sue, settle, fill the coffers and move to the next target....it's morally corrupt

125 MTF  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:44pm

In this instance I can't agree Charles. I think that the recent fight between the agency and the White House over release of the interrogation memos has struck an Obama nerve. He saw how destructive to the Bush administration the CIA was, which in my estimation is why he appointed a canny political operator to head the agency in the first place, and he doesn't want to prompt a similar war with the agency.

He's offering an olive branch to the CIA is my guess, and nothing more. Pragmatic; and more than a little scary since it says he is a lot more concerned about the political skills of the CIA than he is about the GOP.

126 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

So! It was her panties on their heads?

127 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next scene, Kirk and Spock are crouched over a pile of ash with a phaser on top of it

I don't get it.

128 truculentinfidel  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:04pm

We must keep in mind, that anything that this president does is self-serving. With that in mind, we have to ask ourselves what prompted him to act this way when ideologically, all his other policies and decisions serve the far left agenda? What prompted him to act this way? That is is what concerns me. I can't believe that he would do this out of concern for our efforts to fight the war on terror.

129 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:29pm

re: #106 KenJen

If anyone want to get these pictures out just sell them to the NYT. They will be front page the next day with no regards for the safety of this country.

* * * *
Now wait just a cotton-picking minute.
The L.A. Times hasn't released those pictures & videos of Obama partying with PLO exspokesman Rashid Khalidi for love or money--surely for the safety of our country!

130 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:29pm

re: #121 Dianna

Did the recipient confess?

Need I ask?

/ no. suicide..

131 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:37pm

From a report I just heard on the radio, this is not the end of this. This has already gone through the appeals process and courts have said they CAN be released.

132 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #124 albusteve

quite a bit of the legal legwork is volunteer I understand....sue, settle, fill the coffers and move to the next target....it's morally corrupt

Shakedown Street

133 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:54pm
134 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:22pm

re: #96 albusteve

it's just legal shakedown...the threatened to sue Las Cruces over their city name and LC said bring it on

All I want to know is by what twisted logic is the ACLU funded by our tax dollars....

135 jill e  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:25pm
136 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:34pm

BBL

137 Cathypop  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:35pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.


EEEWWW! BARF!

138 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:48pm

re: #125 MTF

These would be photos of prisoners being abused, at Abu Ghraib and Bagram detention facilities. Both of those abuse scandals concerned army personnel, not CIA.

139 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:54pm

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

Because it's so utterly ridiculous.

140 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:56pm

re: #113 DisturbedEma

Oh SNAP- Kirk is the only Slut puppy I could stand. . .and while his "prime directive shmime directive" attitude made me mad. . .I like him:)

Reminds me of an alleged TV Guide description of one of the original episodes:

Spock gets a Vulcan mating urge, and almost kills Kirk.

141 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:57pm

Apparently, the CIA has seen the real birth certificate.

142 zombie  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:00pm

re: #84 FrogMarch

ot: New talking point alert:

Democratic senators are settling on affordability and choice as the selling points for their health care overhaul — instead of talking more about helping the uninsured.


total bullshit.

Oh dear. Here come the euphemisms. Time to don the Phony Talking Points Retardant Suit.

Yeah, "choice" -- like the choice to live a healthy life and then being compelled to fund everyone else's healthcare costs through my tax payments to the IRS.

Every time I'll see a pre-diabetic overweight teen slurping down a 32-oz soda, I'll seethe with resentment that I will have to pay that person's astronomical health care costs for their rest of their lives.

143 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #112 Alouette

She is shown giving a lap dance to some of the detainees.

Yikes! Waterboarding seems relaxing by comparison.

144 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:29pm

re: #114 opnion

The interesting thing about Obama's reversal is that Gibbs said that it is based on a new national security arguement, that has not been made yet.
He was not at liberty to tell the press or did not know what the new arguement is.
This sounds a little hinky.

* * * *
Duh, the President is traveling to Egypt soon to address the Caliphate.

Releasing old pictures could start a new war in all the Caliphate capitals.

145 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:29pm

On this one, Charles, I disagree with you. This is like closing the barn door after half the horses have escaped. By releasing the interrogation memos, Obama poured gasoline on the flames. To mix metaphors, he got the hounds of the left baying for CIA and lawyer blood. He started this.

Now he seeks to limit the damage he caused in the first place, fearing it might cause consequences for U.S. soldiers in the field? That's mighty kind of him!/

146 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #129 alegrias

Hah! Surely.

147 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:45pm

re: #132 Desert Dog

Shakedown Street


ha!...I know it well...thanks for that, some GD in the afternoon is always a good thing

148 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:54pm

re: #125 MTF

In this instance I can't agree Charles. I think that the recent fight between the agency and the White House over release of the interrogation memos has struck an Obama nerve.

They must have casually showed him their files on Ayers/Dorn and the cozy Obama family relationship /;}

149 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:06:09pm

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

Why do people keep mentioning "panties on the head" (i.e., Abu Ghraib freelance stupidity for which people were tried, convicted and disciplined) in the same breath as official acts?

Apparently, the ACLU has their panties in a bunch over the panties on the heads of a few scumbag terrorist bastards.

150 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:06:54pm

re: #134 LGoPs

All I want to know is by what twisted logic is the ACLU funded by our tax dollars....

I don't think it is....needs a google

151 lawhawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:06:57pm

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

They keep thinking of Senator Blutarsky.

152 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:06:58pm

Crazy Pam sez....

I think it's another Obama ruse. He is decimating the military, cutting their medical benefits, sending them into Afghanistan while creating a quagmire (what's the strategy?) while speaking of negotiating with a "moderate" Taliban (are those the beheaders or the poisoners of little girls in schools?).

He never should have entertained the idea of releasing stale damaging photos when it had all been addressed and disclosed in the Abu Ghraib scandal. It still makes the military look bad conjuring up who knows what in those photos. To what end?

This is not the act of a President. It's the act of an America hater. And yes, if he did or does allow the release of those photos - the blow-back will be incalculable. This whole charade is the act of a tormentor. Why did he release the "enhanced interrogation" technique memos?

Deceit, more obfuscation in the war on America.


Heh.

153 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:07:02pm

The comments at kos are precious:

oh it is a political calculation
Obama calculated the cost of pissing off his base versus the cost of pissing off the national security establishment, and realized that while the national security establishment can hurt him, his base will mostly support him no matter if he breaks a promise to them.

To put it bluntly, it's cheaper for him to screw us than to screw them.

That's the only calculation that's going on here.

Disillusionment.

154 jorline  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:07:36pm

re: #137 Cathypop

EEEWWW! BARF!

Woof!

155 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:07:46pm

Maybe He is trying to avoid more friendly fire casualties (Pelosi).

156 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:08:06pm

ACLU funding

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

157 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:08:14pm

re: #114 opnion

The interesting thing about Obama's reversal is that Gibbs said that it is based on a new national security arguement, that has not been made yet.
He was not at liberty to tell the press or did not know what the new arguement is.
This sounds a little hinky.

It could be that they reversed the decision due to the mess in pakistan. Someone might have pointed out that it would give the Taliban more clout and converts.

158 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:08:39pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

He can't win with her.

159 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:08:51pm
160 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:08:53pm

re: #134 LGoPs

All I want to know is by what twisted logic is the ACLU funded by our tax dollars....

the same logic that funded ACORN.

161 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:09:15pm

Good decision, President Obama

OBAMA'S PRESIDENTIAL SCORECARD

GOOD DECISIONS 3
BAD DECISIONS 78
PRESENT Priceless!

162 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:09:46pm

re: #145 quickjustice

Horses, hounds, fire, and gasoline? What on earth do you have against these magnificent creatures?

Other than that, I completely agree with you :D

163 jill e  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:09:55pm

re: #145 quickjustice

On this one, Charles, I disagree with you. This is like closing the barn door after half the horses have escaped. By releasing the interrogation memos, Obama poured gasoline on the flames. To mix metaphors, he got the hounds of the left baying for CIA and lawyer blood. He started this.

Now he seeks to limit the damage he caused in the first place, fearing it might cause consequences for U.S. soldiers in the field? That's mighty kind of him!/

I'm thinking that for some people, IMAGINING what the photos might contain is worse than the actual reality.

164 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:04pm

re: #142 zombie

Oh dear. Here come the euphemisms. Time to don the Phony Talking Points Retardant Suit.

Yeah, "choice" -- like the choice to live a healthy life and then being compelled to fund everyone else's healthcare costs through my tax payments to the IRS.

Every time I'll see a pre-diabetic overweight teen slurping down a 32-oz soda, I'll seethe with resentment that I will have to pay that person's astronomical health care costs for their rest of their lives.

* * * *
I'm with you.

Tax the heck out of junk food that costs pennies to produce, but trillions to cure the resultant diabetes II complications & obesity.

Let them drink tap water.

165 beens21  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:16pm

The article says the 2nd Circuit ruled on this in Sept 2008.I think any motion or appeal is untimely now unless I missed something.

166 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next scene, Kirk and Spock are crouched over a pile of ash with a phaser on top of it

We need a whole special Whatever Happened To show for the red shirt yeopersons.

167 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #155 Ben Hur

Maybe He is trying to avoid more friendly fire casualties (Pelosi).

no, she is going under the bus...

168 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:35pm
I'd like a refund. (4+ / 0-)
Can I get all the money I donated back?

This is disgusting and pathetic.

-Random Kosling

[The honeymoon is over]

169 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:37pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

The comments at kos are precious:

Disillusionment.

what a bitch to find out you are not the Patsy you thought you were...

170 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:49pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Good decision, President Obama

OBAMA'S PRESIDENTIAL SCORECARD

GOOD DECISIONS 3
BAD DECISIONS 78
PRESENT Priceless!

Yet, he is at 62% percent favorable.....how is that possible?

171 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:57pm

re: #142 zombie

Oh dear. Here come the euphemisms. Time to don the Phony Talking Points Retardant Suit.

Yeah, "choice" -- like the choice to live a healthy life and then being compelled to fund everyone else's healthcare costs through my tax payments to the IRS.

Every time I'll see a pre-diabetic overweight teen slurping down a 32-oz soda, I'll seethe with resentment that I will have to pay that person's astronomical health care costs for their rest of their lives.

Don't worry. With government-run healthcare will come government-mandated diets. New York is in the lead, having outlawed transfats rather than put information out where people could see it and make their own decisions. And there was an article just yesterday claiming that researchers were shocked - shocked, I tell you - to find how much salt there is in food served at restaurants. Er, never mind that the connection between salt and heart disease is iffy, at best, salt is bad. And so is Foie Gras, by the way. And sugar. And fat. And too much protein. And taking your eyes off the road while driving, even for a split-second. In fact, eating in your car is very unhealthy...

172 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:59pm

re: #163 jill e

I'm thinking that for some people, IMAGINING what the photos might contain is worse than the actual reality.

",, and then the Marine Sargeant brought in the horny donkey ,,,,,,"

173 Mr. E. Train  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:11:30pm

This is good on two fronts.
1) Its the right thing to do.

2) It pisses off the folks at HuffPo, DU, Moveon et al.

Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling it does! ;)

174 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:11:41pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

-Random Kosling

[The honeymoon is over]

And yet his approval rating is still somewhat high. Are they only polling journalists?

175 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:11:45pm

re: #160 brookly red

the same logic that funded ACORN.

I want to know where the ACLU gets off using the word American in their name. Or Civil. Or Liberty. Union I can understand.

176 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:11:47pm

re: #170 Desert Dog

Yet, he is at 62% percent favorable.....how is that possible?

You really want me to comment on the intellectual capacity of the American Voting Public?

177 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:11:53pm

re: #69 Guanxi88

keyboard problems - coffee everywhere.

Sounds like there is a malfunctioning part somewhere between the chair and the keyboard.

178 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:04pm

Maybe the "blame Bush for everything" has run it's course and they now realize that bringing up Bush makes people miss him.

179 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:06pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

re: #153 Sharmuta

Like I said, both are going nuts over this for differing reasons. Obama will always piss off the right for the obvious reasons. He'll also piss off the left since he is not a Messiah, but rather, an opportunistic Chicago politician. Daily Kos should be just as batshit crazy as Atlas Shieks for the next 3.5 years.

180 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:11pm

re: #95 alegrias

* * * *
The whole Cheney family are patriots.
Imagine listening to cheating two timin' John Edwards talk about your daughter's sex life.
Talk about brave level headed daughter taking on the liberal haters in the media, doing PR for her own Dad when others won't.
Mrs. Cheney has written many childrens books on America.
This family has been in the public eye nearly 50 years, and they're still humble.

Cheney is a patriot.
John Edwards is the biggest political phony. gag.
We are reminded that there are two Americas. In John Edwards America:
Oprah helps cover sins, Edwards gets to live in a huge sprawling mansion with a full size indoor basketball court, Mr. Edwards gets to enjoy a media-black-out extra-marital affair and fathers a child all while using campaign funds to pay for lover and child all while his cancer stricken wife lovingly stands by. John Edwards makes millions of dollars as a creepy ambulance chasing ghost-talking trial lawyer. and he is applauded by the phony leftists at his feet. And there there's the world where the rest of us reside.
Or, according to a-holes like Andrew Sullivan and the rest of the MSM - there's scary scary Dick Cheney who has worked hard for this nation and gives of himself without the reward or power/the presidency.

181 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:21pm
Anytime Obama Doesn't Do What We Demand (1+ / 0-)
He's exactly like Bush. It was true on January 21st, and it still is.

LMAO!

182 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:24pm

re: #170 Desert Dog

Yet, he is at 62% percent favorable.....how is that possible?

Easy,,,,, when the pollster, an Obama supporter, asks OTHER Obama supporters a generic and/ or guided question

183 Kragar  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:45pm

re: #166 Eowyn2

We need a whole special Whatever Happened To show for the red shirt yeopersons.

With a musical tribute from William Shatner

"Hello darkness my old friend..."

184 jorline  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:12:57pm

Obama has more than 6 people for court

WASHINGTON (AP) - A source tells The Associated Press that President Barack Obama is considering California Supreme Court Justice Carlos Moreno and more than five other people as nominees for the Supreme Court.

An official familiar with Obama's decision-making said others include Solicitor General Elena Kagan, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and U.S. Appeals Court judges Sonia Sotomayor and Diane Pamela Wood—people who have been mentioned frequently as potential candidates.

185 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:13:11pm

re: #174 Gearhead

And yet his approval rating is still somewhat high. Are they only polling journalists?

No, just cemetaries. Remember, the guy's from Chicago.

186 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:13:21pm

re: #159 buzzsawmonkey

* * * *
You're a genius, Buzzsaw.

Twas chilling, and Obama didn't want to relive Abu Ghraib on his watch.

187 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:13:37pm

re: #167 brookly red

no, she is going under the bus...

I think that was an unintended consequence.

188 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:02pm

re: #184 jorline

Obama has more than 6 people for court

WASHINGTON (AP) - A source tells The Associated Press that President Barack Obama is considering California Supreme Court Justice Carlos Moreno and more than five other people as nominees for the Supreme Court.

An official familiar with Obama's decision-making said others include Solicitor General Elena Kagan, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and U.S. Appeals Court judges Sonia Sotomayor and Diane Pamela Wood—people who have been mentioned frequently as potential candidates.

To bad Karl Marx is dead ha?

189 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

Easy,,,,, when the pollster, an Obama supporter, asks OTHER Obama supporters a generic and/ or guided question

what, what, what, what, what, was, was, was, was, the, the, the, the, the, question, question, question, question, question again again again again?

190 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:32pm

re: #167 brookly red

no, she is going under the bus...

What happened to your "n?"

191 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

She's discovered spell check!

192 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #172 sattv4u2

",, and then the Marine Sargeant brought in the horny donkey ,,,,,,"

Oh, so he's protecting John Edwards?

193 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:50pm

re: #184 jorline

Obama has more than 6 people for court

WASHINGTON (AP) - A source tells The Associated Press that President Barack Obama is considering California Supreme Court Justice Carlos Moreno and more than five other people as nominees for the Supreme Court.

An official familiar with Obama's decision-making said others include Solicitor General Elena Kagan, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and U.S. Appeals Court judges Sonia Sotomayor and Diane Pamela Wood—people who have been mentioned frequently as potential candidates.

Granholm is a bonified lunatic...why not just stick Soupy Sales in there and be done with it

194 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:53pm
In a democracy you have to pick a side (4+ / 0-)
Obama is us, we are him. That is all.

Until he gives you a specific reason to distrust him, if you're on his side you should reserve judgment 'til you see what he's up to.

If you're not on his side, well, you're on the wrong blog.

Too many people are used to the knee-jerk, sophomoric idiocy of the previous admin. Obama works on a different level and he hasn't disappointed me yet.

by Jim J on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:48:39 PM PDT

I think this one might be avanti.

195 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:14:57pm

re: #187 Ben Hur

I think that was an unintended consequence.

I think she was in the way of absolute power.

196 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:01pm

re: #163 jill e

I'm thinking that for some people, IMAGINING what the photos might contain is worse than the actual reality.

"No! No more Barry Manilow songs! Please!"

197 wiffersnapper  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:04pm

How dare he not pander to the left!

198 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:28pm

re: #193 albusteve

Granholm is a bonified lunatic...why not just stick Soupy Sales in there and be done with it

Because unlike Granholm, Soupy can make sane decisions!

199 Obsidiandog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:42pm

I don't think it is possible for Obama to faithfully discharge his duties as CINC without pissing off the far left. It makes him just like Bush, which they can't abide.

200 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #76 lawhawk

... And Obama will learn that he has no friends in DC.

Probably not even the dog likes him.
Dogs are pretty instinctive about who is their friend and who is not.

201 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:50pm

WASHINGTON (CNN) - A new study suggested Wednesday that over 25 percent of ballots from voters living overseas, mostly members of the military, were not counted in the 2008 election.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

I wonder how many from Minnesota?

202 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:53pm
203 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:16:25pm

re: #170 Desert Dog

None of these horrendous decisions have been implemented yet, so the public isn't feeling the bite of the crushing tax burden yet. Once that hits, Obama's numbers will plummet.

204 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:16:33pm

re: #201 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (CNN) - A new study suggested Wednesday that over 25 percent of ballots from voters living overseas, mostly members of the military, were not counted in the 2008 election.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

I wonder how many from Minnesota?

Just enough.

205 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:16:49pm

re: #184 jorline

Obama has more than 6 people for court

WASHINGTON (AP) - A source tells The Associated Press that President Barack Obama is considering California Supreme Court Justice Carlos Moreno and more than five other people as nominees for the Supreme Court.

An official familiar with Obama's decision-making said others include Solicitor General Elena Kagan, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and U.S. Appeals Court judges Sonia Sotomayor and Diane Pamela Wood—people who have been mentioned frequently as potential candidates.

PLEASE pick Granholm! It would get her the hell out of here more quickly than her term-limited failure of a governorship will. If it helps, we'll dye her and turn her into a lesbian vegetarian if that will help get her selected.

206 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:04pm

re: #201 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (CNN) - A new study suggested Wednesday that over 25 percent of ballots from voters living overseas, mostly members of the military, were not counted in the 2008 election.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

I wonder how many from Minnesota?

enough.

207 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:06pm

re: #194 Sharmuta

I think this one might be avanti.

our boy!....sophmoric idiocy!

208 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:10pm

re: #194 Sharmuta

I think this one might be avanti.

Maybe...

209 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #176 Nevergiveup

You really want me to comment on the intellectual capacity of the American Voting Public?

* * * *
Why do you believe polls' statistics?
7% more voted for Pres. Obama than for McCain.

That's 7% of approx. 50% who voted, so don't Blame America First.

Blame the 7% of the 50%. Who are now experiencing cognitive dissonance & disillusionment. May their numbers grow.

210 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #177 Son of the Black Dog

Sounds like there is a malfunctioning part somewhere between the chair and the keyboard.

'Tis true. Spazzed out when my phone rang and slung coffee all over the place. had the mug right to my lips when it happened. A real mess.

maybe decaf is in order?

211 rockman  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:23pm

Why in the hell is anyone allowed to photograph such things in the first place?
Should doing so be grounds for courts martial, or a serious reprimand?
Nothing good comes of such photos.

212 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:24pm

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

Why do people keep mentioning "panties on the head" (i.e., Abu Ghraib freelance stupidity for which people were tried, convicted and disciplined) in the same breath as official acts?

Because they want Lyndie England's panties on their head too. Fetishists are always surprising to some degree.

213 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #142 zombie

Oh dear. Here come the euphemisms. Time to don the Phony Talking Points Retardant Suit.

Yeah, "choice" -- like the choice to live a healthy life and then being compelled to fund everyone else's healthcare costs through my tax payments to the IRS.

Every time I'll see a pre-diabetic overweight teen slurping down a 32-oz soda, I'll seethe with resentment that I will have to pay that person's astronomical health care costs for their rest of their lives.

Healthcare will be more affordable *riiight*. Our taxes will just be so high, we won't notice the wonderful new low healthcare prices. and forget about choice. /the choice will be: stand in line, or drop dead.

214 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:43pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

The comments at kos are precious:


Disillusionment.

So should we start calling him a DINO? Democrat In Name Only (only approps the WOT)?

215 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:02pm

And then there's this exchange:

Frankly, (5+ / 0-)
I'm getting a little tired of the "Obama works in mysterous ways" meme. Yes, he's light years better than Bush, but he's also not the President that I expected him to be.

by Nespolo on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:52:00 PM PDT

*********

And what about his campaign led you to expect (3+ / 0-)
him to be anything but what he is?

by Plubius on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:53:47 PM PDT

********

I dunno... (0+ / 0-)
Change...? Or maybe that whole constitutional law scholar thing.

by Nespolo on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:58:22 PM PDT

LOLOLOL!

216 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:02pm

re: #164 alegrias

* * * *
I'm with you.

Tax the heck out of junk food that costs pennies to produce, but trillions to cure the resultant diabetes II complications & obesity.

Let them drink tap water.

No, I can't agree. But their bad choices shouldn't be paid for by me or you.

217 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #212 CyanSnowHawk

Because they want Lyndie England's panties on their head too. Fetishists are always surprising to some degree.

Rule...either 34 or 36 of the internet. Anything is somebody's fetish.

218 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #193 albusteve

Granholm is a bonified lunatic...why not just stick Soupy Sales in there and be done with it

I'd rather have Soupy Sales running our state than Granholm.

Please pick her. Please get her out of here. We have the nation's highest unemployment rate, have had it for years now, and she thinks that's a good thing because at least we're Number One at something.

219 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:28pm

re: #193 albusteve

Granholm is a bonified lunatic...why not just stick Soupy Sales in there and be done with it

He's 82 years old.

220 n2stox  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:31pm

This is silly. Obama agreed to release the photos. the ACLU sued the Bush administration. The Bush Admin used national security as its defense. More precisely, they used the argument that showing these pictures will put American lives in danger. The court ruled against that defense, and in favor of the ACLU.

Now, Obama is saying he is against their release, and he wants to use the same defense as Bush, which has already been rejected.

At this point, Obama may be calculating that the pictures will get released anyway, so the ACLU and far left are happy, but if he acts as someone trying to stop their release, then the far right can't go after him like they did (fairly successfully) on the release of the CIA memos.

And, with all that is coming out regarding Pelosi and waterboarding, the release of these photos could stir up more suspicion of the Feds. Now that they are the ones in power, they want us all to go back to sleep. No need to rock the boat, when you're the one in the boat, right?

Remember, this is the guy that wants to pull out of Iraq and ramp up in Afghanistan. He needs things to go well in those places, because now they're on him.

221 KingKenrod  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:31pm

Obama wanted to release the photos as propaganda against the Bush administration's tactics and as a gift to his base, and to serve as a platform for his "more morally superior" efforts in the war on terror going forward.

But he realized the backlash would be too large and decided to challenge the release of the photos in court. He's at least going to fight, but I'm certain he wants the pictures released so the USA can do penance.

I think he has little clue as to how his actions are perceived by groups who are not like him until he sees the results of his mis-management.

He gets no credit from me until he enunciates a coherent strategy.

222 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:35pm

re: #193 albusteve

You're maligning a great comedian. Sotomayor is the best of a very liberal bunch.

223 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:35pm

I can't think of any good reason why these photos were to be released to the public in the first place. It doesn't serve the public trust nor does it promote public welfare. Topping the list of bad reasons why to release the photos:

It's because the @$$holes could get the photos released.

224 wrenchwench  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:42pm

re: #210 Guanxi88

'Tis true. Spazzed out when my phone rang and slung coffee all over the place. had the mug right to my lips when it happened. A real mess.

maybe decaf is in order?

Or turn down the ringer on the phone?

225 jcm  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:02pm

re: #213 FrogMarch

Healthcare will be more affordable *riiight*. Our taxes will just be so high, we won't notice the wonderful new low healthcare prices. and forget about choice. /the choice will be: stand in line, or drop dead.

the choice will be: drop dead while standing in line.

FIFY

226 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:03pm

Amid the meat hooks, finger nail pliers, human shredders and other implements of actual torture leftover from the previous jailers, these stupid acts idiocy performed on the inmates by our service members are pretty tame. That said, they were wrong and should not have done. The difference here is we have discovered this and have punished the people responsible. Why is that not enough? What is to be gained by opening this up again?

227 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:09pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

Some poems do not need to be parodied at all. But Kipling is always good for that.

228 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:28pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

And then there's this exchange:


LOLOLOL!

let the buyers remorse begin and ring from sea to shining sea~!

229 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:28pm

re: #203 quickjustice

None of these horrendous decisions have been implemented yet, so the public isn't feeling the bite of the crushing tax burden yet. Once that hits, Obama's numbers will plummet.

I concur

230 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:50pm

Obama now addressing the photos. He is saying because the offenders have been punished, so there is no point. He further claims that release would inflame anti American sentiment & would endanger our troops.
Well, duh! Harvard grads is really some smart, you betcha.

231 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:10pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

Or turn down the ringer on the phone?

If only I could. No, I sort of fall into these trance-like states when I'm thinking. Blavatsky's got nothing on me when I'm trying to work something out.

Like a sleep-walker in an unscientific novel, though, even the slightest disturbance sends me into a terrible shock.

232 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:15pm

re: #84 FrogMarch

ot: New talking point alert:

Democratic senators are settling on affordability and choice as the selling points for their health care overhaul — instead of talking more about helping the uninsured.

total bullshit.

Affordability
Choice
Universal Coverage

Pick any two.

233 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:29pm

re: #218 SixDegrees

I'd rather have Soupy Sales running our state than Granholm.

Please pick her. Please get her out of here. We have the nation's highest unemployment rate, have had it for years now, and she thinks that's a good thing because at least we're Number One at something.

So she can do for the constitution what she's done for your state?

No thanks, pal!

234 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:37pm

re: #225 jcm

the choice will be: drop dead while standing in line.

FIFY

lol - thank you. You always FIFY for me.

235 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:43pm

re: #209 alegrias

* * * *
Why do you believe polls' statistics?
7% more voted for Pres. Obama than for McCain.

That's 7% of approx. 50% who voted, so don't Blame America First.

Blame the 7% of the 50%. Who are now experiencing cognitive dissonance & disillusionment. May their numbers grow.

I am convinced their numbers are growing. I have seen fewer Obama bumpersticker lately. Lib friends who used to gush about him don't even bring him up.

236 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:52pm

re: #220 n2stox

At this point, Obama may be calculating that the pictures will get released anyway, so the ACLU and far left are happy, but if he acts as someone trying to stop their release, then the far right can't go after him like they did (fairly successfully) on the release of the CIA memos.

I'll buy that.

But I would change "far right," to "most Americans."

237 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:05pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

He's 82 years old.

but his cool name is timeless...

238 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #203 quickjustice

None of these horrendous decisions have been implemented yet, so the public isn't feeling the bite of the crushing tax burden yet. Once that hits, Obama's numbers will plummet.

Come next spring, there will be a lot to grumble about. Those "tax cuts" that showed up in paychecks a few weeks ago aren't really cuts for married couples. They managed to foul up the withholding tables, and married couples will find themselves owing near a thousand bucks more next year than they normally would thanks to the screw up. That will pretty much wipe out a lot of refunds, and push a lot of couples into check-writing territory come tax season.

Right about this time next year, backlash ought to be at it's peak.

239 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #226 Desert Dog

Amid the meat hooks, finger nail pliers, human shredders and other implements of actual torture leftover from the previous jailers, these stupid acts idiocy performed on the inmates by our service members are pretty tame. That said, they were wrong and should not have done. The difference here is we have discovered this and have punished the people responsible. Why is that not enough? What is to be gained by opening this up again?

Because they don't have any idea what meat hooks, finger nail pliers, or human shredders can do to you or have done to others. They're insulated. So they think college antics (while very, very wrong) constitute torture, while leaving no words for electric shocks to the testicles, bullwhips up the anus, breaking someone's back on a ceiling light, feeding someone feet first into a wood chipper...ugh...I'll stop before I throw up.

240 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:47pm

Soupy Sales: "Show me our first president's false teeth, and I'll show you the George Washington Bridge!"

241 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #210 Guanxi88

'Tis true. Spazzed out when my phone rang and slung coffee all over the place. had the mug right to my lips when it happened. A real mess.

maybe decaf is in order?

Do what I do. Get a thermos style mug with a lid. Avoids all sorts of messes and keeps the coffee warmer longer. :)

242 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:55pm

re: #214 Russkilitlover

So should we start calling him a DINO? Democrat In Name Only (only approps the WOT)?

According to this kosling:

except it worked (1+ / 0-)
I am fucking done with these submitocrats.

"DINO" isn't the proper term.

243 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:12pm

re: #237 albusteve

but his cool name is timeless...

Cool name, Milton Supman is a cool name?

244 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #205 SixDegrees

PLEASE pick Granholm! It would get her the hell out of here more quickly than her term-limited failure of a governorship will. If it helps, we'll dye her and turn her into a lesbian vegetarian if that will help get her selected.

* * * *
You would torture the rest of the country putting Granholm on our Supreme Court for the rest of Granholm's life?

Because you didn't get more people to vote for a better candidate? Thanks a lot.

245 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #237 albusteve

but his cool name is timeless...

Like Peter O'Toole, he of the double-phallic name?

Or NH congressman Dick Swett

246 Baier  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #221 KingKenrod

Obama wanted to release the photos as propaganda against the Bush administration's tactics and as a gift to his base, and to serve as a platform for his "more morally superior" efforts in the war on terror going forward.

But he realized the backlash would be too large and decided to challenge the release of the photos in court. He's at least going to fight, but I'm certain he wants the pictures released so the USA can do penance.

I think he has little clue as to how his actions are perceived by groups who are not like him until he sees the results of his mis-management.

He gets no credit from me until he enunciates a coherent strategy.

I don't see what he would gain from this scenario. The left will not be happy because he fought them, and everyone else will be upset because he didn't stop it. I think he has to choose one side or another, and he knows it. I think he is against the release of the photos, maybe for the wrong reasons, but he is.

247 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #230 opnion

Obama now addressing the photos. He is saying because the offenders have been punished, so there is no point. He further claims that release would inflame anti American sentiment & would endanger our troops.
Well, duh! Harvard grads is really some smart, you betcha.

That is the correct stance to take on this. There is nothing positive to be gained by opening this up again, unless the NYT thinks it might sell more papers by splashing that crap all over their front pages a few more times.

248 jcm  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:21pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

So she can do for the constitution what she's done for your state?

No thanks, pal!

Seattle has managed to get rid of a couple Ron Sims to #2 at HUD, and Girlikowski to Drug Czar, our gain is the nations loss!

249 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:27pm

re: #193 albusteve

Granholm is a bonified lunatic...why not just stick Soupy Sales in there and be done with it

Soupy made no pretense of what he wanted--especially when he told all his kid viewers to snatch $5 from their parents' purses and wallets and mail it to him.

250 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:33pm

re: #222 quickjustice

251 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:41pm

re: #213 FrogMarch

Healthcare will be more affordable *riiight*. Our taxes will just be so high, we won't notice the wonderful new low healthcare prices. and forget about choice. /the choice will be: stand in line, or and drop dead.

Fixed that for you.

252 davinvalkri  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:47pm

re: #245 Guanxi88

Like Peter O'Toole, he of the double-phallic name?

Or NH congressman Dick Swett

How is that phallic?

253 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:52pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

Looks like they are having the same problems we are having.

254 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:23:29pm
Cowardly in its own right (7+ / 0-)
The only people harmed by the release of these photos would be Bush and Cheney.

Release the photos NOW, or we FOIA them.

"It's a gay witches for abortion party Flanders, you wouldn't be interested." - Homer Simpson

by angry liberaltarian on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:50:07 PM PDT

Wow- they're really pissed.

255 Gearhead  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:23:45pm

re: #245 Guanxi88

Like Peter O'Toole, he of the double-phallic name?

Or NH congressman Dick Swett

Let's not leave out NASCAR veteran Dick Trickle.

256 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:23:55pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

He's 82 years old.

Sounds like an excellent, superior pick over Granholm to lead Michigan. Is he senile, too? Because that would mean he has measurable mental capacity, another plus.

257 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:06pm

re: #241 BlueCanuck

Do what I do. Get a thermos style mug with a lid. Avoids all sorts of messes and keeps the coffee warmer longer. :)

That's for the bus-ride to work.. I usually finish that off pretty quickly - almost as fast as the "working poor" who ride with me down their morning beers.

258 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:14pm

I may be cynical, but I suspect Cheney's* comments are beginning to take hold.

* the only politician left with a set.

259 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:15pm

re: #252 davinvalkri

How is that phallic?

Yeah--my friend Bob Schmegma wants to know too.

260 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #211 rockman

Why in the hell is anyone allowed to photograph such things in the first place?
Should doing so be grounds for courts martial, or a serious reprimand?
Nothing good comes of such photos.

* * **
Upding.

This isn't Dr. Mengele's military after all, we're not doing medical experiments on detainees, as far as I know.

261 sattv4u2  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:32pm

re: #253 Honorary Yooper

Looks like they are having the same problems we are having.

Time to recruit some of them

"yes, I know you hate (fill in the blank) because he's a conservative, but he's consistant so you can hate him ALL the time, unlike Oabama who you love/hate/love/hate"

262 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:46pm
TRANSPARENCY MY FUCKING ASS OBAMA! (5+ / 0-)
I call bullshit!

The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

by MinistryOfTruth on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:50:39 PM PDT

LOLOL!

263 zombie  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:48pm

re: #213 FrogMarch

Healthcare will be more affordable *riiight*. Our taxes will just be so high, we won't notice the wonderful new low healthcare prices. and forget about choice. /the choice will be: stand in line, or drop dead.

No the single choice will be:

Stand in line and then drop dead before your number is called.

264 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:53pm

The joke that got Soupy Sales kicked off the air: "That reminds me of the guy who took his girlfriend to the baseball game. He kissed her between the strikes, and she kissed him between the . . ."

265 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:55pm

re: #238 SixDegrees

Come next spring, there will be a lot to grumble about. Those "tax cuts" that showed up in paychecks a few weeks ago aren't really cuts for married couples. They managed to foul up the withholding tables, and married couples will find themselves owing near a thousand bucks more next year than they normally would thanks to the screw up. That will pretty much wipe out a lot of refunds, and push a lot of couples into check-writing territory come tax season.

Right about this time next year, backlash ought to be at it's peak.

Wait until the Bush tax cuts expire. Obama can say he did not raise taxes, that he simply just let the "temporary tax cuts" expire. But, between me and you and my dog JD, that really means a tax increase across the board.

Spend like crazy, take over entire industries, stunt business with excessive taxes and controls, increase taxes on the workers....this sounds like a recipe for disaster.

266 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:25:02pm

re: #188 Nevergiveup

re: #205 SixDegrees

PLEASE pick Granholm! It would get her the hell out of here more quickly than her term-limited failure of a governorship will. If it helps, we'll dye her and turn her into a lesbian vegetarian if that will help get her selected.

As much as I'd like to get Granholm out of Michigan I'd hate to see what damage she could do on the USSC. I can still hear her reelection rhetoric: "In five years you'll be blown away!"

267 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:25:40pm

re: #108 Desert Dog

Well, that is their typical MO.

"We have lots of money, we have many lawyers. We will sue the shit out of you if you dare to not listen to our whims."

In most cases, I think people cave. You need deep pockets to fight them.

And usually they get paid by the government, whether they win or lose. Government has become the primary funding mechanism for the ACLU.

268 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:25:49pm

re: #240 quickjustice

Soupy Sales: "Show me our first president's false teeth, and I'll show you the George Washington Bridge!"

Soupy Sales: Hey, l'il birdbaths, find all that green paper with numbers and pictures of old guys, and send it to Uncle Soupy!

269 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:25:51pm

re: #259 calcajun

Yeah--my friend Bob Schmegma wants to know too.

Don't you mean his brother, Richard? His friends call him Dick.

270 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:26:00pm

re: #255 Gearhead

Let's not leave out NASCAR veteran Dick Trickle.

Or the local San Diego politician and gadfly, Dick Ryder.

271 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:26:22pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

TRANSPARENCY MY FUCKING ASS OBAMA! (5+ / 0-)
I call bullshit!
The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

by MinistryOfTruth on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:50:39 PM PDT

LOLOL!

It took them this long to figure that out about Obama? Well, better late than never, I guess.

272 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:27:13pm

re: #247 Desert Dog

That is the correct stance to take on this. There is nothing positive to be gained by opening this up again, unless the NYT thinks it might sell more papers by splashing that crap all over their front pages a few more times.

Yeah, I agree with his stance NOW. My question is why has he changed?

273 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:27:28pm

re: #264 quickjustice

The joke that got Soupy Sales kicked off the air: "That reminds me of the guy who took his girlfriend to the baseball game. He kissed her between the strikes, and she kissed him between the . . ."

Never happened...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And Sales has a 10,000 dollar reward available for anyone who can prove he ever went blue on the show.

274 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:27:32pm

David Duke moves to Austria to watch birds and assist the European far right....

Former KKK grand wizard living in Austria

A former Ku Klux Klan boss who twice ran for US president has secretly set up home in Austria where he is running a birdwatching business.

David E Duke, who was once a KKK Grand Wizard, runs a business selling photographs of rare birds and other wildlife in a village near Salzburg.

The discovery has outraged his neighbours in Austria which has struggled to shake off the scourge of a new wave of far right politicians.
....
Local Green Party politician Karl Oellinger said Mr Duke roamed the Austrian Alps taking snaps of birds and wildlife and selling them on the internet.

"He's registered as living in Salzburg and although I can't check official files I have it on good information he has lived there for four or five years," he said.

"The Austrian police have known he's been here all along. Apparently he can live here unchallenged as he travels to other countries to help the far-right movement."

275 n2stox  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:27:41pm

re: #236 Ben Hur

I'll buy that.

But I would change "far right," to "most Americans."

But, if one disagrees with The Messiah on any point, does not that make one "far right" under their definition (not mine)?

276 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:27:45pm

re: #260 alegrias

* * **
Upding.

This isn't Dr. Mengele's military after all, we're not doing medical experiments on detainees, as far as I know.

I thought we were observing how proper diet, good health care, and a dental plan affected them.
/

277 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:27:49pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

And then there's this exchange:
LOLOLOL!

I will temper my laughter. They are cheering his economic policies, which will CHANGE the free markets of this country faster than we could say, "Wha hoppend?"

His WOT stuff is pissing them off, but they will be refreshed and reenergized with his economic policies and will blow the foreign policy stuff off as, "Oh, well, he's gotta do what he's gotta do."

278 SecondComing  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:28:02pm

re: #125 MTF

In this instance I can't agree Charles. I think that the recent fight between the agency and the White House over release of the interrogation memos has struck an Obama nerve. He saw how destructive to the Bush administration the CIA was, which in my estimation is why he appointed a canny political operator to head the agency in the first place, and he doesn't want to prompt a similar war with the agency.

He's offering an olive branch to the CIA is my guess, and nothing more. Pragmatic; and more than a little scary since it says he is a lot more concerned about the political skills of the CIA than he is about the GOP.

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner!

I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering before how long he could go on this pace making enemies with the CIA and not receiving a blowback. But he's a Chicago politician and made a calculated play.

279 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:28:14pm

re: #271 Honorary Yooper

It took them this long to figure that out about Obama? Well, better late than never, I guess.


It's only temporary.

They're pissed for now, but they'll be back.

280 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:28:39pm

re: #249 calcajun

Soupy Sales was more circumspect. He said something like, "I want all you boys and girls to sneak into your parents' bedroom when they're sleeping tonight and go into daddy's wallet and mommy's purse, and mail me all the pieces of paper with pictures of President Lincoln, President Washington, and Alexander Hamilton on them." He end up with several hundred dollars, for which he got kicked off the air.

281 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:28:43pm

re: #270 CyanSnowHawk

Or the local San Diego politician and gadfly, Dick Ryder.


Gawd. Sounds like the name for a really sleazy whore.

282 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:29:09pm

re: #264 quickjustice

No it wasn't. It was when he told the kids in the audience to steal $5 from their parents and mail it to him.

283 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:29:12pm

re: #275 n2stox

But, if one disagrees with The Messiah on any point, does not that make one "far right" under their definition (not mine)?


In that sense, 100%.

Nazis, even.

284 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:29:13pm

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

It's a great urban legend though, Walter! ;-)

285 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:29:30pm

re: #211 rockman

Why in the hell is anyone allowed to photograph such things in the first place?
Should doing so be grounds for courts martial, or a serious reprimand?
Nothing good comes of such photos.

Some of these photos were from the Abu Ghraib scandal. The US troops involved were not "allowed" to photograph these acts, nor were they "allowed" to commit the acts of abuse. These were criminal acts and they were charged and convicted of them. They took the photos as souvenirs of their sadism.

286 Last Mohican  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:29:42pm

re: #245 Guanxi88

Like Peter O'Toole, he of the double-phallic name?

Or NH congressman Dick Swett

nndb.com is a really interesting site. I love that they have a list of people with funny names.

I think that whole site is run by one guy who just sits in his house and checks up on everyone.

287 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:05pm

Maybe he is saving the pictures for later. They would make a great distraction from his next f*ck-up. Whatever that may be.

288 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:08pm

re: #244 alegrias

* * * *
You would torture the rest of the country putting Granholm on our Supreme Court for the rest of Granholm's life?

Because you didn't get more people to vote for a better candidate? Thanks a lot.

If I can, absolutely.

Besides, Granholm would be a perfect SC nominee under this Administration. She goes into hiding at the slightest whiff of controversy, lets others form a consensus and then reappears when voting with the majority won't seem like her fault. She's abysmally stupid, as well - far too stupid to understand legal proceedings. She'll happily let herself get locked in a closet and vote how she's told to vote by the majority. Given that Conservatives hold a slight edge on the court anyway, it's the best choice we're likely to get out of 0.

289 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:09pm

re: #263 zombie

No the single choice will be:

Stand in line and then drop dead before your number is called.

Clearly, we are on the same wavelength.

290 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:10pm

re: #280 quickjustice

We're at cross-porpoises here.

291 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:18pm

re: #284 quickjustice

It's a great urban legend though, Walter! ;-)

Well, no, I don't like legends, especially when they hide the truth. But that's just me.

292 Ojoe  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:25pm
But he's a Chicago politician and made a calculated play.

Politicians make me barf

These days

Good thing we all have to eat tiny lunches

293 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:32pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

TRANSPARENCY MY FUCKING ASS OBAMA! (5+ / 0-)
I call bullshit!
The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984
by MinistryOfTruth on Wed May 13, 2009 at 12:50:39 PM PDT

LOLOL!


That one's a bit apoplectic, don't you think?

/MUHAHAHAHAHA

294 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:38pm

re: #272 opnion

Yeah, I agree with his stance NOW. My question is why has he changed?

Misdirection? Remember when Clinton signed the Kyoto Treaty even though it was voted down by the senate 99-0. He did it so he could point to a meaningless act as a symbol of his intent? I do not know what Obama's though processes are on this matter. But, if he is doing this because it's the right thing to do, that is one thing. If he is doing it as a calculated political maneuver, he will have confirmed my suspicions about him.

295 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:31:05pm

re: #245 Guanxi88

Like Peter O'Toole, he of the double-phallic name?

Dick Wang?

296 Raven1  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:31:18pm

I think the zero is not releasing these photos because for whatever reason, it would make him, or his leftist cohorts look bad.I do not believe he is doing this for the troops sake or anyone else but himself.

297 SecondComing  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:32:33pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

The comments at kos are precious:


Disillusionment.


It's been awhile since we've seen a good post dedicated to Kos here.

298 MTF  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:32:39pm

re: #138 Kenneth

My comment didn't reference Abu Ghraib specifically, but the interrogations at Bagram were done under CIA auspices, by their employees. It is the CIA who has argued most loudly against releasing these photos, most recently in a memo to Obama from Panetta. The CIA believes these photos will open it's operatives to lawsuits, and individual agents have actually started buying insurance to protect themselves financially. I believe Obama is wary of the CIA, after watching their assault on the Bush administration.

299 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:32:45pm

re: #295 Kenneth

Dick Wang?

Harry Putz?

300 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:32:52pm

cynics everywhere...BO just can't catch a break

301 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:33:04pm

re: #264 quickjustice

The joke that got Soupy Sales kicked off the air: "That reminds me of the guy who took his girlfriend to the baseball game. He kissed her between the strikes, and she kissed him between the . . ."

I thought it was when he told all the kids to find the green pictures of George Washington and them and send them into him. Or maybe that only got him suspended?

302 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:33:05pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I have this image of him going all Julie Andrews and signing "The Sound of Music"

303 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:33:37pm

re: #281 Russkilitlover

Gawd. Sounds like the name for a really sleazy whore.

It is. He is not too popular out here. He exemplifies the extreme side of Libertarians.

304 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:33:59pm

re: #300 albusteve

cynics everywhere...BO just can't catch a break

I'm sure he still catches a smoke break.

305 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:33:59pm

re: #301 Nevergiveup

I thought it was when he told all the kids to find the green pictures of George Washington and them and send them into him. Or maybe that only got him suspended?

Anti-Legendist Walter disputes that claim....

306 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:34:04pm

re: #254 Sharmuta

Release the photos NOW, or we FOIA them.


Wow- they're really pissed.

Stupid, too. FOIA requests are meant explicitly for unclassified material that is simply being withheld from release through stonewalling. If it's legitimately classified, it's automatically hands off until it gets declassified.

So, yeah, doofus, dig in your heels and start FOIA'ing the hell out of those photos. After that, I have some windmills I need you to tilt at.

307 Ojoe  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:34:18pm

re: #301 Nevergiveup
Soupy said, "My wife can't make a cherry pie but she sure can make my banana cream."

308 Afrocity  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:34:34pm

Obama does not do anything without personal or political gain. The heat was turning up on Little Miss Liberal Hood -Nancy Pelosi. She lied plain and simple.
I bet Obama's decision had a lot more to do with saving the DEM's asses than it did with helping our troops.

309 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:34:54pm

re: #302 calcajun

I have this image of him going all Julie Andrews and signing "The Sound of Music"

I bet he wears the same dress.

310 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:34:55pm

These aren't the torture photos you're looking for. Move along.

311 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:35:11pm

re: #298 MTF

I see. Thank you for the background. Obama has enough animal sense not to endanger his power. That's why he resisting releasing the pictures. And if the courts finally force him, well, then he tried... to bad.

312 Kragar  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:35:23pm

re: #299 KenJen

Harry Putz?

Enormous Genitals.

/KF Movie

313 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:35:40pm

re: #305 albusteve

Anti-Legendist Walter disputes that claim....

No I didn't. I disputed that Soupy did any blue material on his show and then got in trouble.

Yes, the incident of the paper money did happen and he got suspended for two weeks.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

314 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:36:10pm

re: #307 Ojoe

Soupy said, "My wife can't make a cherry pie but she sure can make my banana cream."

I met him in a Times Square shoe store...we were the only customers and he spoke with me for a bit...very nice guy...gave me his autograph...circa 1967

315 J.S.  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:36:12pm

On April 24, 2009 Gibbs (in answer to the question as to whether or not the President felt that the release of more photos would put troops overseas at risk) answered that putting out such material "doesn't make us weaker, it makes us stronger in pursuing our national interests." Now, putting out those photos actually puts the U.S. in danger...(?) Why the sudden flip-flop?

316 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:36:36pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

No I didn't. I disputed that Soupy did any blue material on his show and then got in trouble.

Yes, the incident of the paper money did happen and he got suspended for two weeks.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Why do you hate Soupy, Walter....what did he do to you?
/

317 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:36:41pm

re: #299 KenJen

Harry Butt has a wikipedia page!

318 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:36:56pm

re: #280 quickjustice

Soupy Sales was more circumspect. He said something like, "I want all you boys and girls to sneak into your parents' bedroom when they're sleeping tonight and go into daddy's wallet and mommy's purse, and mail me all the pieces of paper with pictures of President Lincoln, President Washington, and Alexander Hamilton on them." He end up with several hundred dollars, for which he got kicked off the air.

His program was suspended for 2 weeks, and then resumed broadcasting.

319 Ojoe  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:06pm

re: #314 albusteve

IMHO he should be ambassador to the UN.

BBL

320 Curtain of Oz  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:10pm

re: #300 albusteve

He gets enough breaks! Good grief!

321 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:15pm

ANKARA, Turkey — The gunman who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II would like to convert to Christianity at a baptism ceremony at the Vatican after his release from prison in January, according to his lawyer.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Thank G-D he doesn't want to be Jewish.

322 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:19pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

No I didn't. I disputed that Soupy did any blue material on his show and then got in trouble.

Yes, the incident of the paper money did happen and he got suspended for two weeks.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I know...I'm making you larger than life

323 nyc redneck  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:23pm

look how good he conveniently looks now.
thoughtful, concerned, capable of sound decision making after weighing the
considerations that such a revelation would have on our country.
flip flop and second thoughts on a decision he was for, until it was better to not be for it. most of america would have frowned on this.
knowing how o works, i'm not impressed.
(i just hope he doesn't change his mind again.)

324 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:26pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Hi Afro. Long time no see. How's the blog going? Keeping ya busy?

325 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:29pm

re: #303 CyanSnowHawk

It is. He is not too popular out here. He exemplifies the extreme side of Libertarians.

I've only been in SD county for almost 3 years (formerly the OC), so I'm not too up on local politicians. Clearly, I need to start!

326 FrogMarch  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:48pm

re: #251 Dianna

Fixed that for you.

re: #263 zombie

No the single choice will be:

Stand in line and then drop dead before your number is called.


re: #225 jcm

the choice will be: drop dead while standing in line.

FIFY


We will be fixed. Hope. Change. Choice. Affordability.

327 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:37:57pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I bet he wears the same dress.

You do know that was a novice's uniform. Duke in a nun's outfit is way too kinky to contemplate.

328 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:10pm

Biggus Dickus.

329 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:30pm

re: #322 albusteve

I know...I'm making you larger than life

Oh, thanks (I think).

I have to run down to the theatre. BBIA while.

330 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:34pm

re: #321 Nevergiveup

ANKARA, Turkey — The gunman who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II would like to convert to Christianity at a baptism ceremony at the Vatican after his release from prison in January, according to his lawyer.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Thank G-D he doesn't want to be Jewish.

He will get plenty-o-fatwa's against him now. Converting from Islam is punishable by death.

331 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:36pm

re: #178 Ben Hur

Maybe the "blame Bush for everything" has run it's course and they now realize that bringing up Bush makes people miss him.

Not as much as they'll miss GWB if we have another mass-casualty attack (God forbid). When all they see from BHO and Company is a lot of running around like headless chickens.

332 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:46pm

re: #326 FrogMarch

We will be fixed. Hope. Change. Choice. Affordability.

Hope.Change.Choice.Free Stuff.

333 SecondComing  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:57pm

re: #163 jill e

I'm thinking that for some people, IMAGINING what the photos might contain is worse than the actual reality.

It would be sad to find out that the reason he's against having them released it that they don't show anything all that bad.

334 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:06pm

re: #266 Idle Drifter

re: #205 SixDegrees

As much as I'd like to get Granholm out of Michigan I'd hate to see what damage she could do on the USSC. I can still hear her reelection rhetoric: "In five years you'll be blown away!"

Yeah, I'm totally blown away, alright.

In real life, she's never going to get the nomination. Too white. Too Canadian. Too much epic fail stench hovering around her.

And as I said above, she's a pushover who runs and hides from controversy and goes along with the majority as soon as one emerges. Might be the best Conservatives can hope for from this Administration.

335 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:11pm

re: #328 Ben Hur

Biggus Dickus.

Incontinentia Buttox, his wife

336 cubbydave44  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:12pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Obama does not do anything without personal or political gain. The heat was turning up on Little Miss Liberal Hood -Nancy Pelosi. She lied plain and simple.
I bet Obama's decision had a lot more to do with saving the DEM's asses than it did with helping our troops.

Afrocity,
I have to agree with you. I was just thinking to myself today that this is all for show.

I am not being a conspiracy theorist, but, Obama is a political animal. Think about, even though Charles says that the President is pissing off the far left, there is still nothing that he could EVER do to make them no longer "in love" with him.

By doing this, he is winning over much more moderates.

Anyways, I agree with what he has done and applaud him for it, I just question his motives...

337 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:30pm

re: #315 J.S.

On April 24, 2009 Gibbs (in answer to the question as to whether or not the President felt that the release of more photos would put troops overseas at risk) answered that putting out such material "doesn't make us weaker, it makes us stronger in pursuing our national interests." Now, putting out those photos actually puts the U.S. in danger...(?) Why the sudden flip-flop?

Obama saw how one of his top allies in the Senate, Nancy Pelosi, got caught in the fall-out from his release of the enhanced interrogation torture memos. He is cautious about any more blow-back.

338 Afrocity  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #324 KenJen

Hi Afro. Long time no see. How's the blog going? Keeping ya busy?

Thanks KenJen. I am doing great and the blog is the joy of my life. I finally have an outlet for my frustrations.

339 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:02pm

re: #315 J.S.

On April 24, 2009 Gibbs (in answer to the question as to whether or not the President felt that the release of more photos would put troops overseas at risk) answered that putting out such material "doesn't make us weaker, it makes us stronger in pursuing our national interests." Now, putting out those photos actually puts the U.S. in danger...(?) Why the sudden flip-flop?

I think that Obama is a narcissist & acts in his percieved self interest.
I am glad that he has taken a new stance though & hope that he follows through.

340 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:03pm

re: #285 Kenneth

Some of these photos were from the Abu Ghraib scandal. The US troops involved were not "allowed" to photograph these acts, nor were they "allowed" to commit the acts of abuse. These were criminal acts and they were charged and convicted of them. They took the photos as souvenirs of their sadism.

* * *
Thank you. I don't condone those pictures, and am sickened by these criminals and the harm and dishonor they did to America because of their dereliction to duty, honor, country.

341 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:05pm

re: #328 Ben Hur

Biggus Dickus.

Ben DovHur

342 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:07pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Obama does not do anything without personal or political gain. The heat was turning up on Little Miss Liberal Hood -Nancy Pelosi. She lied plain and simple.
I bet Obama's decision had a lot more to do with saving the DEM's asses than it did with helping our troops.

Don't sugar coat it--what do you really feel here?///

Personally, I feel he's trying to find a big enough bus under which to push Nancy.

343 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:08pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Hiya. Long time, no read. How's the blog going?

344 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:24pm

re: #314 albusteve

I have Sales's autograph as well. My father met him, and got an autographed photo for me.

345 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #338 Afrocity

Thanks KenJen. I am doing great and the blog is the joy of my life. I finally have an outlet for my frustrations.

Do you have a link, Afrocity?

346 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:33pm

re: #294 Desert Dog

Misdirection? Remember when Clinton signed the Kyoto Treaty even though it was voted down by the senate 99-0. He did it so he could point to a meaningless act as a symbol of his intent? I do not know what Obama's though processes are on this matter. But, if he is doing this because it's the right thing to do, that is one thing. If he is doing it as a calculated political maneuver, he will have confirmed my suspicions about him.

Good afternoon, Lizards.

I'm inclined to believe that he may actually have listened to his military commanders on this one. As to why, the possibilities are;

1. After his Apology Tour, he may have finally realized that no matter how abjectly he grovels, the people over there who hate us will still hate us, and he doesn't want to encourage them. That would require him at some point to explain why American personnel died as a result of his decision, and he doesn't want to have that on his (in his opinion) spotless record.

2. He may be trying to remind MoveOn, etc., who's really the boss. ("I'm in charge now, so shut up.")

3. Or it could have been purely accidental. His seeming compulsion to reverse himself on every position he takes may have resulted in the correct response; the law of averages states that if somebody is constantly changing their mind, they will sooner or later make the correct decision purely by chance.

I don't prefer one explanation over the other, I'm just trying to assess the most likely ones.

cheers

eon

347 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:38pm

re: #321 Nevergiveup

ANKARA, Turkey — The gunman who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II would like to convert to Christianity at a baptism ceremony at the Vatican after his release from prison in January, according to his lawyer.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Thank G-D he doesn't want to be Jewish.

Fatwa against him in 5,4,3,2,1...

348 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:40pm

re: #338 Afrocity

Hey there Afrocity. Liked your blog entry today. Good points to it.

349 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:58pm

re: #324 KenJen

Oops. Sorry for the echo.

350 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:41:09pm

re: #328 Ben Hur

Biggus Dickus.

351 Dave the.....  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:41:11pm

DD

He will get plenty-o-fatwa's against him now. Converting from Islam is punishable by death.

Maybe he can get one of those Popemobiles.

352 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:41:36pm

re: #338 Afrocity

Thanks KenJen. I am doing great and the blog is the joy of my life. I finally have an outlet for my frustrations.

I need to get over there. Make it a daily ritual like LGF. Do I have to register to comment?

353 dhg4  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:41:40pm

re: #8 zombie

I think that once any person becomes President, they get "The Briefing" in which the true horror of the international scene is revealed to him. And suddenly, he has no choice but to understand why his precedessor did what he did, and adopt similar policies.

Let's hope it carries over to his meeting with Netanyahu. I'm actually rather hopeful that the President and Netanyahu will not have a bad meeting.

354 aggieann  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:41:49pm

re: #270 CyanSnowHawk

Or the local San Diego politician and gadfly, Dick Ryder.

Or the Realtor in my old home town years ago: Dick Longing

355 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:42:12pm

re: #337 Kenneth

Obama saw how one of his top allies in the Senate, Nancy Pelosi, got caught in the fall-out from his release of the enhanced interrogation torture memos. He is cautious about any more blow-back.

Nancy is still (and be grateful for it!) in the House.

356 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:42:13pm

re: #345 Desert Dog

Do you have a link, Afrocity?


You don't have to answer that!

357 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:42:18pm

re: #299 KenJen

Harry Putz?

Dick Van Dyke
Peter Wolf, who played in a band with Magic Dick

358 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:42:28pm

re: #344 quickjustice

I have Sales's autograph as well. My father met him, and got an autographed photo for me.

not an hour before that I got Ed Sullivans...right under the marqis of his theater....incredibly astonishing I know....I was golden then and seemed to attract personalities like that

359 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:42:33pm

It is clear what is happening here Charles. While the decision is correct and I am happy for it, the motivation is ENTIRELY political.

If these pictures are bad, the wrath of the Left we redound to Pelosi who we now know knew about some of this. Obama needs Pelosi for health care which is the Obama presidency's chief goal.

360 Slide_Guitar  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:42:50pm

I suppose the administration assumes the people in question that this would anger can't read since they released the written documents.

361 Afrocity  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:43:15pm

re: #345 Desert Dog

Do you have a link, Afrocity?

Afrocity Blog

362 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:43:30pm

re: #338 Afrocity

The link to your blog on your blue nic is not working properly.

363 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:43:31pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Limbaugh's conspiracy theory is that Hoyer is a close buddy of Emanuel's, and that he covets Pelosi's speakership. The White house isn't protecting Pelosi on her lies, because Obama and Emanuel would love to see Hoyer as Speaker and White House puppet.

364 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:44:04pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Obama does not do anything without personal or political gain. The heat was turning up on Little Miss Liberal Hood -Nancy Pelosi. She lied plain and simple.
I bet Obama's decision had a lot more to do with saving the DEM's asses than it did with helping our troops.

Also, a poll last week showed 70% feeling that release of this material would harm US interests. And there's been serious blowback, not only from Cheney, but from former and current CIA officials. Things were turning ugly rather quickly for 0, and this is - at least - a way of providing himself some cover, even if the courts force the release of the photos.

His newfound regard for classification and military secrets will also put the lid on Cheney's requests for balancing information, being newer than the request for the photos, which has been kicking around for a year or more.

365 Afrocity  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:44:14pm

re: #356 Ben Hur

You don't have to answer that!

I am out guys. Lately I just drop by to say hello and wish you well.

366 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #357 Mad Al-Jaffee

Dick Van Dyke
Peter Wolf, who played in a band with Magic Dick

J. Geils...MD played the harp

367 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #342 calcajun

Don't sugar coat it--what do you really feel here?///

Personally, I feel he's trying to find a big enough bus under which to push Nancy.

Interesting. Rham Emanuel & Steny Hoyer are pals. Wonder if they want a demotion for Pelosi?

368 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:44:46pm

re: #361 Afrocity

Afrocity Blog

Thanks! I'll be sure to drop in. I promise to behave

369 American Sabra  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:45:17pm

Totally OT:

I've seen the Muslim Mingles on the sidebar and I've seen the Christian Mingles on the sidebar... (you know where I'm going don't you?) Yes, that's right. Where are the Hindu Mingles?!?

ha!

370 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #355 Dianna

Duh. Thanks for the correction.

371 J.S.  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:45:42pm

re: #337 Kenneth

hmm...yes...(perhaps it may also have to do with all those lawsuits in the UK -- on a different thread someone had linked to an article about one of the former Gitmo detainees wanting to sue for torture, etc. The ACLU was also involved, etc. in these lawsuits in the UK as well...maybe Obama was figuring that after the ACLU is finished up in the UK, they'd be pulling the same stunts in the U.S.)

372 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #363 quickjustice

Limbaugh's conspiracy theory is that Hoyer is a close buddy of Emanuel's, and that he covets Pelosi's speakership. The White house isn't protecting Pelosi on her lies, because Obama and Emanuel would love to see Hoyer as Speaker and White House puppet.

In what world would the rest of the Dems agree to commit political suicide that way? They still elect the Speaker. And Hoyer is 1) really stupid; and 2) corrupt.

373 Dave the.....  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:46:08pm

I don't think it's this, but....at some point Obama has to say to himself "Look, it's very possible we are going to get attacked again and I can only do so much to blame it on Bush."

374 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:46:30pm

re: #359 Cato


If these pictures are bad, the wrath of the Left we redound to Pelosi who we now know knew about some of this. Obama needs Pelosi for health care which is the Obama presidency's chief goal.

I can see Pelosi twisting Rahm's arm until he squeaks. Not far fetched to think that she put the hammer down on these releases.

375 jorline  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:46:52pm

Obama Defends Reversal on Releasing Detainee Photos

"My belief is the publication of these photos would not add any additional benefits to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals," Obama said in a brief appearance. "The most direct consequence would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and put our troops in greater danger."

An intelligent comment from PBO....the LLL is pissed.

376 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:46:55pm

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country.

Hum. Does India have Migs?

377 dingleB  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:48:06pm

re: #341 KenJen

Norma Stitz

Proof there is a God, she's a 72ZZZ and each one weighs apprx. 40lbs.

[Link: www.worldamazingrecords.com...]

378 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:48:22pm

re: #375 jorline


The most direct consequence would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and put our troops in greater danger."

And that's MY wave to ride, not anyone else's!

379 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:48:28pm

re: #372 Dianna

Hoyer is not as mean as Pelosi and this is an administration that equates meanness and effectiveness, whether it is true or not. That is the irony of the "torture" debate. They think torture works.

380 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:49:05pm

re: #366 albusteve

I meant sang in a band with Magic Dick.

381 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:49:47pm

re: #379 Cato

Hoyer is not as mean as Pelosi and this is an administration that equates meanness and effectiveness, whether it is true or not. That is the irony of the "torture" debate. They think torture works.

Not to mention they engage in it constantly. How else do you explain the photos of Pelosi that get released to the public?

382 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:50:03pm

re: #363 quickjustice

Limbaugh's conspiracy theory is that Hoyer is a close buddy of Emanuel's, and that he covets Pelosi's speakership. The White house isn't protecting Pelosi on her lies, because Obama and Emanuel would love to see Hoyer as Speaker and White House puppet.

* * * *
Pelosi and Steny Hoyer are both Baltimore/Marylanders originally.

Pelosi's dad was Mayor of Baltimore; perhaps Steny Hoyer resents Princess Pelosi's rise in California, and being 3rd most powerful person after the President.

Bloody Interdemocrat rivalry works for me. Let the sharp knives come out!

383 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:50:05pm

re: #255 Gearhead

Let's not leave out NASCAR veteran Dick Trickle.

Does he drive the Flowmax car?

384 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:50:07pm

re: #375 jorline

Obama Defends Reversal on Releasing Detainee Photos


An intelligent comment from PBO....the LLL is pissed.

He couldn't just sum it up with a Fonzi-like, "I was wr...wro....wr...wro."

385 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:50:39pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country.

Hum. Does India have Migs?

Yes. India used to get all its aircraft from the Soviet Union.
That was my guess, too, as India and Israel have been increasing defense cooperation. They both have militant Islam as enemy.
I wonder when they'll start on a new stealthy fighter design.

386 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:50:53pm

re: #367 opnion

Interesting. Rham Emanuel & Steny Hoyer are pals. Wonder if they want a demotion for Pelosi?

Probably about the same way they want one for Harry Reid. Both have been veering between demanding The One run amuck on the left (as with taxes, single-payer health care, etc.) and helping sabotage his "green" agenda (as with Pelosi helping roadblock that solar farm project in the Mojave). My guess is, he's hoping for more "reasonable" (i.e., loyal to him, or at least pliable) replacements.

If Reid goes away as The One is hoping Pelosi will, anybody have a guess as to who his replacement would be?

/Sherrod Brown (D-OH) is available; he's so un-busy right now he has time to write a book on the glorious history of his office desk- and no, I'm not kidding.

cheers

eon

387 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:50:55pm

re: #382 alegrias

* * * *
Pelosi and Steny Hoyer are both Baltimore/Marylanders originally.

Pelosi's dad was Mayor of Baltimore; perhaps Steny Hoyer resents Princess Pelosi's rise in California, and being 3rd most powerful person after the President.

Bloody Interdemocrat rivalry works for me. Let the sharp knives come out!

Hoyer has always followed Pelosi's lead, though.

388 jorline  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:12pm

re: #384 Russkilitlover

He couldn't just sum it up with a Fonzi-like, "I was wr...wro....wr...wro."

He's got the Pelosi card up his sleeve.

389 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:17pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country.

Hum. Does India have Migs?

well as I said before, they we are driving them to make other plans...

390 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:30pm

re: #363 quickjustice

Limbaugh's conspiracy theory is that Hoyer is a close buddy of Emanuel's, and that he covets Pelosi's speakership. The White house isn't protecting Pelosi on her lies, because Obama and Emanuel would love to see Hoyer as Speaker and White House puppet.

My own theory is that Pelosi will be an impediment to O's demand that Schwarzenegger rescind his union pay cuts or face reduction of his stimulus funding. Pelosi isn't going to support such an effort. Under the bus.

Congress as a whole, however, is loathe to cede any power to the Executive; they've been actively robbing it of power for the last several decades at every opportunity. I don't think they will take kindly to an attempt by 0 to emplace his own hand-picked leaders in either chamber. I wonder if we'll start hearing rumblings about Checks and Balances anytime soon? It will certainly be offered up as a rationale over the next SC justice.

391 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:39pm

re: #381 CyanSnowHawk


I don't think they could help the Pelosi photos. She actually looks that way.

392 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:59pm

re: #377 dingleB

Norma Stitz

Proof there is a God, she's a 72ZZZ and each one weighs apprx. 40lbs.

[Link: www.worldamazingrecords.com...]

My true identity has been revealed./

393 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:52:06pm

re: #366 albusteve

J. Geils...MD played the harp


Magic Dick in action

394 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country.

Hum. Does India have Migs?

SU-30 MKIs and Ks, Mirage 2000s, Jaguars, Migs 21, 27, and 29.

395 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:52:55pm

re: #372 Dianna

In what world would the rest of the Dems agree to commit political suicide that way? They still elect the Speaker. And Hoyer is 1) really stupid; and 2) corrupt.

Tend to agree. Congress won't be giving up any of it's powers anytime soon, no matter how popular the President is or what party he belongs to. They will feel a need to put him in his place even at the hint of such a manuever, I would think.

396 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:53:03pm

re: #380 Mad Al-Jaffee

I meant sang in a band with Magic Dick.

Oh.

I thought you meant hung with Magic Dick.

397 Scorch  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:53:49pm

As others have posted this seems like political expediency on BHOs part. I mean we have been over this for years why did he and his cohorts want to open the can up again. Unfortunately for them they seem to have forgotten they hold the reins now and some including Pelosi are being nailed to the wall for their dancing around the truth. No, no kudos for BHO for doing something he shouldn't have started in the first place.

398 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:55:41pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

Primary users of the MIG 29:
Russian Air Force
Ukrainian Air Force
Indian Air Force
Algerian Air Force

I'm guessing India is sharing.

399 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:56:26pm

OT: Professor Regina Herzlinger of Harvard Business School describes why health care "reform" as proposed is a financial disaster:

[Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]

400 Mad Mullah  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:56:59pm

I noticed that the person who is leading the charge for the anti-Americans at the ACLU is a clown named Jameel Jaffer, somebody born in Canada who suspiciously started working for them in 2002 right after 9/11. Coincidence? I think not.

He has also argued on behalf of Islamists such as when Tariq Ramadan tried to gain entry to the USA. He's also written a book called "Administration Of Torture: A Documentary Record From Washington To Abu Ghraib And Beyond".

I would say that he's basically an enemy propagandist who is working against the interests of American citizens, which is pretty much what the ACLU does.

401 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:57:02pm
402 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:58:30pm

re: #398 Kenneth

I'm guessing India is sharing.

I'm guessing that India and Israel are sharing more than is publicly known.
Neither wants the Taliban to get nukes, for example.
Both countries are threatened by militant Islam.

If the US pushes Israel away, and India and Israel move closer together, they will be an economic powerhouse, with Israeli and Indian technology combined, and all the available labor in India.

403 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #385 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder when they'll start on a new stealthy fighter design.



India to build stealth fighter jet

First models expected out in 2013.

404 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 1:59:35pm

re: #396 Ben Hur

Oh.

I thought you meant hung with Magic Dick.

Hit song: Just the Two of Us

/

405 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:00:25pm

re: #400 Mad Mullah

I noticed that the person who is leading the charge for the anti-Americans at the ACLU is a clown named Jameel Jaffer, somebody born in Canada who suspiciously started working for them in 2002 right after 9/11. Coincidence? I think not.

He has also argued on behalf of Islamists such as when Tariq Ramadan tried to gain entry to the USA. He's also written a book called "Administration Of Torture: A Documentary Record From Washington To Abu Ghraib And Beyond".

I would say that he's basically an enemy propagandist who is working against the interests of American citizens, which is pretty much what the ACLU does.

* * * * *
Similarly, convicted terrorist funder Sami Al Arian's daughter Laila is a producer in DC for Al Jazeerah, and has written about US military being torturers.

Is this a great country for America haters or what!

406 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:00:37pm

re: #402 Kosh's Shadow

True. But you would think Russia itself might be a little concerned about having a fanatical Islamic country with nukes on its border.

407 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:00:51pm

Jose Reyes leads off the bottom of the 12th down 1 and hits along fly to left. Rather than run hard, he watches it and when it hits the wall and doesn't go over, he only ends up at second. Needless to say, he did NOT score and the Mets lose? Charlie Hustle he ain't.

408 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:01:23pm

re: #404 OldLineTexan

Hit song: Just the Two of Us

/

Actually, he's best known for Wham Her, Jam Her, I mean Whammer Jammer.

409 brookly red  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:01:44pm

re: #406 Cato

True. But you would think Russia itself might be a little concerned about having a fanatical Islamic country with nukes on its border.

not concerened enough to stop selling reactors to Iran.

410 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:03:27pm

re: #399 quickjustice

OT: Professor Regina Herzlinger of Harvard Business School describes why health care "reform" as proposed is a financial disaster:

[Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]

From your link - this sums up their entire approach to matters economic:

Any "savings" are achieved with accounting gimmicks that shift costs to taxpayers and future generations, through deficits and unfunded liabilities, not through genuine innovations.

411 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:03:36pm

re: #403 Kenneth


India to build stealth fighter jet

First models expected out in 2013.

It doesn't say here, but Hidustan Aeronautics Ltd and Israel were working together on a helicopter, and IIRC, India buys avionics from Israel.

If the US refuses to sell F-15 Silent Eagles and F-35s to Israel, they'll have somewhere else to go.

412 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:03:38pm

re: #354 aggieann

Or the Realtor in my old home town years ago: Dick Longing

I've known two different guys named Dick Love.

413 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country.

Hum. Does India have Migs?

India is a big customer for the MiG-29...was the first country outside of the Soviet Bloc to buy them.

414 kansas  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:04:54pm

re: #373 Dave the.....

I don't think it's this, but....at some point Obama has to say to himself "Look, it's very possible we are going to get attacked again and I can only do so much to blame it on Bush."

You see where former FBI douchebag named Ali Soufan is testifying that the "Bush" techniques were childish and ineffective. I suppose Mohammed and Ahmed will testify next that they didn't give up any information when they were being "tortured". But will sue the US because their cholesterol and blood pressure went up with their weight gains.

Listening to liberals whine and lie about this is the real torture.

415 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:04:56pm

Ewwww, Scott Levenson the ACORN spokesman/lawyer, is so gross!

(Shown on Fox News...ewwwww. Levenson used to shill for either Kerry or Hillary or Obama or some other dem)

And ACORN hires ex-convicts.

416 Rexatosis  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:05:11pm

While I disagree with Pres. Obama's original position to release the photos I am very concerned about his constant flip-flopping on this and other issues. It shows a weakness in conviction, and a lack of preparedness in decision making which will only embolden America and the West's enemies and erode the confidence of our allies in us. Whether I, or anyone else, agrees with the President on any given issue it is still incumbent that the President appear resolute in his convictions and somber in his decision-making. Unfortunately Pres. Obama's vacillations give the appearance of neither trait required of leadership.

417 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:05:47pm

re: #411 Kosh's Shadow

It doesn't say here, but Hidustan Aeronautics Ltd and Israel were working together on a helicopter, and IIRC, India buys avionics from Israel.

If the US refuses to sell F-15 Silent Eagles and F-35s to Israel, they'll have somewhere else to go.

Israel's on the F-35 "team", although on the bottom rung.

418 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #376 Nevergiveup

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country.

Hum. Does India have Migs?

And what are the rental rates? Did Israel get the full coverage package, or just collision? Will the IAF have to return the planes with full tanks? These are important questions.

419 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #372 Dianna

In what world would the rest of the Dems agree to commit political suicide that way? They still elect the Speaker. And Hoyer is 1) really stupid; and 2) corrupt.

And those are problems for the Dems, how?

420 kansas  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:06:23pm

re: #415 alegrias

Ewwww, Scott Levenson the ACORN spokesman/lawyer, is so gross!

(Shown on Fox News...ewwwww. Levenson used to shill for either Kerry or Hillary or Obama or some other dem)

And ACORN hires ex-convicts.


I always wondered how, once one was convicted, how they could be ex-convicted.

421 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:07:01pm

re: #400 Mad Mullah

I noticed that the person who is leading the charge for the anti-Americans at the ACLU is a clown named Jameel Jaffer, somebody born in Canada who suspiciously started working for them in 2002 right after 9/11. Coincidence? I think not.

He has also argued on behalf of Islamists such as when Tariq Ramadan tried to gain entry to the USA. He's also written a book called "Administration Of Torture: A Documentary Record From Washington To Abu Ghraib And Beyond".

I would say that he's basically an enemy propagandist who is working against the interests of American citizens, which is pretty much what the ACLU does.

Oh sure, I suppose now you are going to say that hijackers can fly planes into buildings.

422 zelnaga  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #8 zombie

I think that once any person becomes President, they get "The Briefing" in which the true horror of the international scene is revealed to him. And suddenly, he has no choice but to understand why his precedessor did what he did, and adopt similar policies.

Honestly, I think "The Briefing" is going to be colored by whomever rights it. I think the briefings written under the Bush administration was probably of a very different tone than the ones written under the Clinton administration and the ones that are being written under the Obama administration.

The thought that any President would adopt the foreign policy of his predecessor upon seeing his predecessors briefings seems unlikely. Certainly Bush's foreign policy wasn't a continuation of Clinton's.

423 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:07:15pm

re: #412 Son of the Black Dog

I've known two different guys named Dick Love.

I went to high school with a guy named Richard Boner .... he later legally changed it to something less provocative.

424 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:07:17pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

Israel's on the F-35 "team", although on the bottom rung.

However, the US will not allow Israel the information to modify or repair the F-35 computer, requiring them to rely on the US for repairs and to add any Israeli weapons. So if the US decides to delay shipment of parts to Israel and they're in a war, they're in trouble. And they can't make changes to make their aircraft better than others.

425 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:07:31pm

re: #403 Kenneth


India to build stealth fighter jet

First models expected out in 2013.

Meanwhile, on our side of the pond, Boeing is showing its latest product for export (that may end up in the U.S. inventory, as well);

F-15SE Silent Eagle

One of its neat tricks is hiding its missiles in its conformal fuel/sensor pallets.

cheers

eon

426 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:08:13pm

re: #411 Kosh's Shadow

It doesn't say here, but Hidustan Aeronautics Ltd and Israel were working together on a helicopter, and IIRC, India buys avionics from Israel.

If the US refuses to sell F-15 Silent Eagles and F-35s to Israel, they'll have somewhere else to go.

I hope they are exploring those options. India tends to not put up with a lot of shit from America and is not afraid to say so. With America seeming to push Israel away, India/Israel could be a good fit. It could give Israel more independence from American purse strings.

427 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:08:20pm

re: #402 Kosh's Shadow

I'm guessing that India and Israel are sharing more than is publicly known.
Neither wants the Taliban to get nukes, for example.
Both countries are threatened by militant Islam.

If the US pushes Israel away, and India and Israel move closer together, they will be an economic powerhouse, with Israeli and Indian technology combined, and all the available labor in India.

I just had a thought on how Israel could strike Iran's nuclear facilities without flying over certain countries.

428 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:08:55pm

re: #425 eon

Meanwhile, on our side of the pond, Boeing is showing its latest product for export (that may end up in the U.S. inventory, as well);

F-15SE Silent Eagle

One of its neat tricks is hiding its missiles in its conformal fuel/sensor pallets.

cheers

eon

And I read yesterday that the US has been delaying sending Israel the information needed to decide if they want to buy them. Gates has shown reluctance in the past (even under Bush) to supply Israel.

429 Guanxi88  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:09:04pm

re: #423 eschew_obfuscation

I went to high school with a guy named Richard Boner .... he later legally changed it to something less provocative.

Yes, "Major" is much better.

430 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #418 calcajun

And what are the rental rates? Did Israel get the full coverage package, or just collision? Will the IAF have to return the planes with full tanks? These are important questions.

Israel is part of the "Frequent Flier" program. Just walk up to the desk, get the keys, and take any plane on the lot...

431 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:09:16pm

re: #416 Rexatosis

Democrats like Obama and Clinton have no convictions or principals. Just what's good for them and the next election. Moms down the river and all.

432 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:09:30pm

re: #427 Idle Drifter

I just had a thought on how Israel could strike Iran's nuclear facilities without flying over certain countries.

I think I know what you are saying, but it still involves another country, and they might not want to show overt support.

433 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:09:57pm

re: #427 Idle Drifter

I just had a thought on how Israel could strike Iran's nuclear facilities without flying over certain countries.

I may have had the same thought. And I'm keeping it to myself.

cheers

eon

434 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:10:00pm

I like the old JC better.....
'Jesus in jeans' sculpture unveiled

A church in East Sussex has unveiled a Marcus Cornish bronze statue dubbed "Jesus in jeans" depicting Christ as a man of the 21st century.

435 ducktrapper  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:10:05pm

Sorry, no kudos from me. I'm a member of the "even a broken clock is right twice a day club". I'm thinking he did it because he's not entirely stupid and realizes that this could backfire and he could get some of it on him.

436 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:10:30pm

re: #391 Cato

I don't think they could help the Pelosi photos. She actually looks that way.

I've seen photos of a much younger Nancy Pelosi, she was actually pretty hot.

437 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:11:00pm

re: #433 eon

I may have had the same thought. And I'm keeping it to myself.

cheers

eon

Same here.

438 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:11:05pm

re: #428 Kosh's Shadow

And I read yesterday that the US has been delaying sending Israel the information needed to decide if they want to buy them. Gates has shown reluctance in the past (even under Bush) to supply Israel.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dislike Gates and do NOT trust him.

439 Baier  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:11:09pm

re: #435 ducktrapper

Sorry, no kudos from me. I'm a member of the "even a broken clock is right twice a day club". I'm thinking he did it because he's not entirely stupid and realizes that this could backfire and he could get some of it on him.

Absolutely would backfire.

440 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:12:04pm
441 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:12:05pm

Planes kill.

442 Dianna  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:12:15pm

re: #419 Son of the Black Dog

And those are problems for the Dems, how?

Perceptions matter a lot in this game.

443 MacGregor  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:12:29pm

Good afternoon Lizards. I think the administration never intended to release these photos and it is all poisonous smoke. If he can make the right squeal enough, that's all people are going to hear. No kudos to the messiah for such manipulation.

444 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #422 zelnaga

Honestly, I think "The Briefing" is going to be colored by whomever rights it. I think the briefings written under the Bush administration was probably of a very different tone than the ones written under the Clinton administration and the ones that are being written under the Obama administration.

The thought that any President would adopt the foreign policy of his predecessor upon seeing his predecessors briefings seems unlikely. Certainly Bush's foreign policy wasn't a continuation of Clinton's.

It basically was until 9/11. THEN, it took a drastic turn

445 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:14:11pm

OT - On a side bar this morning, there was an ad for a "Tea Party" event in DC coming up in September. One of the comments mentioned that some "undesireables" would be speaking at the event. I sent an email to the site and received the below response. Apparently there are 2 different organizations and the organizer for the DC protest are not affiliated with the other:

Thanks for your comments.

I wanted to let you know that the FreedomWorks event on 9/12 is not associated with Freedoms First (www.freedomsfirst.org) - they are another organization entirely and not at all involved with the taxpayer event we are planning.

Pamela Geller is speaking for Freedoms First - here at FreedomWorks we have not yet nailed down the guests and speakers for our rally, but many Congressmen are already reaching out to us asking for time.

Please visit our website at [Link: www.FreedomWorks.org...] and I think you'll find that we are two very different organizations. FreedomWorks has been around for over twenty years - first as Citizens for a Sound Economy, known for taking on Hillary Care in the 1990s and then joinging with the late Jack Kemp's Empower America to form FreedomWorks. Former Majority Leader Dick Armey is our chairman and we fight for "lower taxes, less government, and more freedom."

The website for OUR 9/12 event (it seems to be a very popular date!) is [Link: www.912dc.org....]

And there you can see updated plans, a map of where our current registered attendees are coming (over 3,000 so far) as well as the other trusted, and well known organizations that are cosponsoring the event with us like the Club for Growth, National Taxpayers Union, Americans for Tax Reform, and many, many more (it is growing every day - those are just the ones who have finally gotten us their logo to add). This event is soley focused on the irresponsible and wasteful spending in Washington and the out of control taxation.

Thanks again for your comments - it's helpful for us to know if there is some confusion between the two very different rallies. We will certainly be working to clear that up.

I hope that answers your concerns and have a great afternoon,

Nan


Nan E. Swift
Campaign Coordinator
FreedomWorks

[no phone numbers allowed]
www.freedomworks.org

446 Scorch  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #422 zelnaga

Certainly Bush's foreign policy wasn't a continuation of Clinton's.

Thank god!

447 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:17:51pm

re: #445 Russkilitlover

Thanks for that info. I know some of these tea parties got tainted by some less than desirable elements, but it was pretty clear to me most of the people that turned out were just regular folks making a statement. This group looks to be pretty levelheaded to me.

448 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:18:08pm

re: #424 Kosh's Shadow

However, the US will not allow Israel the information to modify or repair the F-35 computer, requiring them to rely on the US for repairs and to add any Israeli weapons. So if the US decides to delay shipment of parts to Israel and they're in a war, they're in trouble. And they can't make changes to make their aircraft better than others.

Here's betting that the Israelis can reverse engineer the computer.

449 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:18:54pm

re: #411 Kosh's Shadow

It's a good strategic alliance for both Israel & India. A side benefit is the pressure US mil manufacturers will place on the US gov't if they see lost orders going to India.

450 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:19:15pm

re: #9 zombie

And then they show him the Alien corpses in Hanger 54.

I thought it was Hangar 18, at Wright-Pat.

451 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:19:24pm

re: #448 Son of the Black Dog

Here's betting that the Israelis can reverse engineer the computer.

Probably, but it will be a lot of work.
And it will void the warranty
/

452 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:19:33pm

re: #432 Kosh's Shadow

I think I know what you are saying, but it still involves another country, and they might not want to show overt support.

Political and military expedience may become necessary should Pakistan fall to a Nuclear Taliban. Until then, it's an unlikely such a covert mission to occur. It was just a thought. Strang, bold things have happened such as the commando raid into Uganda.

453 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:19:40pm

re: #431 Nevergiveup

Democrats like Obama and Clinton have no convictions or principals. Just what's good for them and the next election. Moms down the river and all.

* * * *
I give President Obama credit for continuing to fight Al Qaeda.
Pres. Clinton preferred to let the US be attacked for 8 years, than do something.

In my book, Pres. Obama is smarter than Clinton on terrorism, so far (112 days).

454 dingleB  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:19:58pm

re: #427 Idle Drifter

It makes alot of sense in a crazy, mega nutsack kinda way. It definitely follows the "If you want to play with the big dogs you've got to jump the high fences" theory.

455 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:19:58pm
456 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:20:10pm

re: #427 Idle Drifter

Sharp comment. Excellent.

457 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:20:20pm

re: #436 Son of the Black Dog

I've seen photos of a much younger Nancy Pelosi, she was actually pretty hot.

She was & so was Barbara Boxer.

458 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:20:39pm

Carrier Kitty Hawk leaves active fleet
By Mark D. Faram - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday May 13, 2009 10:32:50 EDT
For the carrier Kitty Hawk, it’s finally the end of the line.

Forty-eight years and two weeks after the ship entered the fleet, the Navy’s last conventionally powered aircraft carrier officially left the active rolls Tuesday.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

End of an era.

459 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #453 alegrias

* * * *
I give President Obama credit for continuing to fight Al Qaeda.
Pres. Clinton preferred to let the US be attacked for 8 years, than do something.

In my book, Pres. Obama is smarter than Clinton on terrorism, so far (112 days).

He is basically following Bush's policies. Imagine that

460 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #445 Russkilitlover

Freedom works is still a Paulian organization.

461 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #452 Idle Drifter

Political and military expedience may become necessary should Pakistan fall to a Nuclear Taliban. Until then, it's an unlikely such a covert mission to occur. It was just a thought. Strang, bold things have happened such as the commando raid into Uganda.

The Israelis did Entebbe, we did Desert One.

462 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:23:52pm

re: #434 Killgore Trout

I like the old JC better.....
'Jesus in jeans' sculpture unveiled

He looks like Han Solo when Jabba got through with him.

463 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #460 Killgore Trout

Freedom works is still a Paulian organization.

Ron Paul is a Republican, therefore, the Republicans are Paulians?

464 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:24:27pm

re: #458 Nevergiveup

Navy Takes Delivery of Aircraft Carrier George H.W. Bush

WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy took delivery of its newest aircraft carrier, USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77), from Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding May 11. George H.W. Bush is the 10th and final Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

What comes next, or has Sec Def Gates canceled aircraft carriers too?

465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:24:38pm

re: #412 Son of the Black Dog

I've known two different guys named Dick Love.

I was at a party once & a friend of a friend was introduced to me. His name - Mike Hunt.

466 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #452 Idle Drifter


BTW, do not disregard Israel's submarine fleet which has German technology and more capabilities than advertised, I understand.

467 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:25:55pm
468 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was at a party once & a friend of a friend was introduced to me. His name - Mike Hunt.

I knew someone in college whose name was Richard, and he came from Holden, MA.
He'd tell people his name was Dick Hertz from Holden.

469 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:15pm

re: #458 Nevergiveup

Carrier Kitty Hawk leaves active fleet
By Mark D. Faram - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday May 13, 2009 10:32:50 EDT
For the carrier Kitty Hawk, it’s finally the end of the line.

Forty-eight years and two weeks after the ship entered the fleet, the Navy’s last conventionally powered aircraft carrier officially left the active rolls Tuesday.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

End of an era.

And too many carriers not being replaced.

Obama must not have gotten the memo where it says that when the international manure goes in the fan, everybody wants to know, "Where are the carriers?"

470 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:18pm

re: #464 Kenneth


Navy Takes Delivery of Aircraft Carrier George H.W. Bush

What comes next, or has Sec Def Gates canceled aircraft carriers too?

Well the plans are to reduce the number of Carrier Groups to 10. And anyway it seems the Carriers are going to have a Fighter short fall anyway.

471 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:20pm

re: #465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was at a party once & a friend of a friend was introduced to me. His name - Mike Hunt.

Did you meet his girlfriend? Connie Lingus?

472 zeebeach  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:35pm

Sorry, if he has to "reverse" his original position in order to do the right thing, I take several points off. It makes me believe there's a political reason for his reversal, not a moral one. But hey, that's just me.

473 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

She has a portrait in her attic which doesn't age at all.

Shouldn't the portrait in the attic be the thing aging? All due respect to Oscar Wilde and all.

474 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:51pm

re: #460 Killgore Trout

Freedom works is still a Paulian organization.

Dick Armey serves as Chairman & Steve Forbes as Vice Chair.
I don't see Ron Paul anywhere in Wiki.

475 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:26:54pm

Did we clear up all the SOupy Sales myths while I was gone? I hope so.

476 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:27:14pm

re: #463 Desert Dog

Straw man.

477 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:27:39pm

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Did we clear up all the SOupy Sales myths while I was gone? I hope so.

White fang was a real dog right?

478 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:27:51pm

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Straw man.

He's a Paulian too! Man, they are everywhere

479 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:27:52pm

re: #467 buzzsawmonkey

Heh.

480 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:28:06pm

re: #456 Cato

Sharp comment. Excellent.

re: #454 dingleB

It makes alot of sense in a crazy, mega nutsack kinda way. It definitely follows the "If you want to play with the big dogs you've got to jump the high fences" theory.

It's risky, very risky. With Washington's change in foreign policy I expect new alliances being made in secrete.

481 wrenchwench  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:29:01pm

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Did we clear up all the SOupy Sales myths while I was gone? I hope so.

I saw Soupy Sales in 1963 in West Covina, at the grand opening of a QuickyMart of some sort.

It's true!

482 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:29:07pm

re: #465 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was at a party once & a friend of a friend was introduced to me. His name - Mike Hunt.

This guy, however, was not at the party.

Name FAIL

483 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:29:15pm

The Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers (or Ford-class) will be the next generation supercarrier for the United States Navy. Before its redesignation as the Ford-class (CVN-78), this new class of carriers was known as the CVNX carrier program ("X" meaning "in development") and then as the CVN-21 carrier program. (Here, the "21" is not a hull number; it is common in "future" plans in the U.S. military, as an allusion to 21st century, to distinguish from existing 20th century equipment.)

The first hull of the CVN-78 line will be Gerald R. Ford.[1] The CVN-78 uses the basic hull design of the preceding Nimitz-class.

484 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:29:36pm

re: #450 Ward Cleaver

I thought it was Hangar 18, at Wright-Pat.

Actually, not only is it an urban myth that Hangar 18 is where the USAF stores alien stuff, Hangar 18 itself is a myth.

When Wright-Patterson AFB was Wright Army Air Field, there were originally twenty-six wooden hangars. Three of them, Nos. 17, 18, and 19 were torn down in 1949 to make room for a new taxiway. The later hangar numbers skipped 18 when new concrete hangars were built in the Fifties.

Where Hangar 18 used to be is right next door to the Air Force Museum Annex, where you can see FDR's C-54, with the lift for his wheelchair.

/Been there several times.

cheers

eon

485 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:29:58pm

re: #463 Desert Dog

Ron Paul is a Republican, therefore, the Republicans are Paulians?

I'm confused, I know lots of Republicans, but don't know any Ron Paul supporters. Why did he do so poorly in the primaries, if he has such influence? I think that the media rolls him out , because he is a novelty act.

486 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:30:02pm

re: #483 Kenneth

The Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers (or Ford-class) will be the next generation supercarrier for the United States Navy. Before its redesignation as the Ford-class (CVN-78), this new class of carriers was known as the CVNX carrier program ("X" meaning "in development") and then as the CVN-21 carrier program. (Here, the "21" is not a hull number; it is common in "future" plans in the U.S. military, as an allusion to 21st century, to distinguish from existing 20th century equipment.)

The first hull of the CVN-78 line will be Gerald R. Ford.[1] The CVN-78 uses the basic hull design of the preceding Nimitz-class.

I thought this was canceled as part of the budget ax of a short time ago.

487 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:30:21pm

Last update - 23:23 13/05/2009

Ex-diplomats, U.S. Jews urge Obama to push two-state solution

By Natasha Mozgavaya, Haaretz U.S. Correspsondent

Tags: Israel News, Obama, Netanyahu


A number of leftist Jewish groups and former diplomats have urged United States President Barack Obama to push for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ahead of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's upcoming visit to Washington.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Memo to J Street, other liberal Jews, and former diplomats from this Jew: Fuck off.

488 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:30:23pm

re: #474 opnion

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

489 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #466 Cato

BTW, do not disregard Israel's submarine fleet which has German technology and more capabilities than advertised, I understand.

I'd expect them in the first strikes on coastal and inland C&C, AAA and SAM sites.

490 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:22pm

re: #338 Afrocity

Thanks KenJen. I am doing great and the blog is the joy of my life. I finally have an outlet for my frustrations.

My husband and I really enjoyed your Mother's Day letter. Thank you.

491 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:35pm

re: #473 Russkilitlover

Shouldn't the portrait in the attic be the thing aging? All due respect to Oscar Wilde and all.

They bought it from a cut-rate knockoff place. And didn't read the fine print in the warranty.

cheers

eon

492 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:38pm

re: #486 Kosh's Shadow

I thought this was canceled as part of the budget ax of a short time ago.

No

493 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:45pm

re: #484 eon

Actually, not only is it an urban myth that Hangar 18 is where the USAF stores alien stuff, Hangar 18 itself is a myth.

When Wright-Patterson AFB was Wright Army Air Field, there were originally twenty-six wooden hangars. Three of them, Nos. 17, 18, and 19 were torn down in 1949 to make room for a new taxiway. The later hangar numbers skipped 18 when new concrete hangars were built in the Fifties.

Where Hangar 18 used to be is right next door to the Air Force Museum Annex, where you can see FDR's C-54, with the lift for his wheelchair.

/Been there several times.

cheers

eon

There's really a hangar 18, if you know how to find it, like platform 9 3/4 at King's Cross station in London.
/(Do I need to?)

494 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:51pm

re: #466 Cato

BTW, do not disregard Israel's submarine fleet which has German technology and more capabilities than advertised, I understand.

They make good stuff
/Vince, Sham-Wow! guy

495 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:31:53pm

re: #477 Nevergiveup

White fang was a real dog right?

Wroorururrrruuuu...

496 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:32:05pm

re: #485 opnion

I'm confused, I know lots of Republicans, but don't know any Ron Paul supporters. Why did he do so poorly in the primaries, if he has such influence? I think that the media rolls him out , because he is a novelty act.

He is everywhere.....in the background, working his little marionettes.....bwwwaaahhhhahaaaa

497 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #487 Nevergiveup

Last update - 23:23 13/05/2009

Ex-diplomats, U.S. Jews urge Obama to push two-state solution

By Natasha Mozgavaya, Haaretz U.S. Correspsondent

Tags: Israel News, Obama, Netanyahu


A number of leftist Jewish groups and former diplomats have urged United States President Barack Obama to push for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ahead of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's upcoming visit to Washington.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Memo to J Street, other liberal Jews, and former diplomats from this Jew: Fuck off.

Like making the territories a 'state' will change things. Then we'll just have two nations fighting each other.... oh, and the UN will help ///

498 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #485 opnion

I'm confused, I know lots of Republicans, but don't know any Ron Paul supporters. Why did he do so poorly in the primaries, if he has such influence? I think that the media rolls him out , because he is a novelty act.

His blimp was far too amusing.

499 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:33:32pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

Starting a grass roots effort embracing core Republican values is a bad thing then? I guess we'll just have to be the great silent minority then......

500 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:33:34pm

re: #496 Desert Dog

He is everywhere.....in the background, working his little marionettes.....bwwwaaahhhhahaaaa

The yellow jester does not play
But gently pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the Court of the Crimson King
--- King Crimson

501 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:33:55pm

re: #493 Kosh's Shadow

Just because the Muggles cant see it doesn't mean it's not there.

502 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:34:05pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

Oh, dear. Compromise our way to obscurity and socialism. Nope. Just can't go there. I'm a free market gal.

"Knowledge, based on experience can either be a bridle or a spur."
~ Winston Churchill

It's when the economy has the bit in its teeth that it takes off and benefits everyone (who is willing to put forth effort, that is).

503 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #467 buzzsawmonkey

Jesus can't be depicted in jeans. He wasn't a Levi.

That was one of the funniest things I've read here.

Ever.

(Except for all my stuff, of course)

504 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #486 Kosh's Shadow

Nope. Carrier construction has been slowed down, but not canceled:

In a April 6, 2009 speech, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that the Navy Aircraft Carrier program would "shift" to a five year building program so as to place it on a "more fiscally sustainable path." Such a measure would result in ten carriers by 2040.

Currently, there are 11 carriers. Gradually, that will shift to 10 carriers, but half of them will be the newer class.

505 Cato  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:35:17pm

re: #489 Idle Drifter

Their range is much better than limited to coastal targets I hear second hand, but I don't really know.

506 Timbre  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:35:25pm

This morning at 7:58 a.m., I was listening to AM 550, KCRS, in Midland, TX. On comes an advertisement announcing a speech by the JBS president, this Saturday, at the Midland Petroleum Club. So if I sound congested on Saturday, it'll be because I'm holding my nose....

507 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:35:53pm

re: #504 Kenneth

Nope. Carrier construction has been slowed down, but not canceled:

Currently, there are 11 carriers. Gradually, that will shift to 10 carriers, but half of them will be the newer class.

Thanks. I knew there was some effect.
We need the carriers, though. I'm not sure we have enough now.
Oh wait, unicorns can fly off destroyers; that's right, we don't need as many carriers.
/

508 stuiec  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:35:58pm

It's the "reversing his position" part that reduces him to half marks. Full marks would have not been demogoguing the issue in the first place and calling for the release of the photos before checking with the military commanders about the foolishness of doing so.

509 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #459 Desert Dog

He is basically following Bush's policies. Imagine that

* * * *
I can respect Realpolitik~ better than Utopiapolitik/Marxism lite

510 redc1c4  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:36:45pm

re: #391 Cato

I don't think they could help the Pelosi photos. She actually looks that way.

if Granny McBotox tried to close her eyes, her scalp would fly off her head.

511 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:37:08pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

I don't know if the tea parties do any good or not & I am not involved.
I did see enough of them in Chicago to conclude that they are not a bunch of raving Ron Paul nuts.
I take that you are saying that Republicans need to get more "Moderate" in order to get back into power. McCain was every Democrats favorite Republican & that didn't work out.
I do believe that party leaders should check religion at the door & focus on real solutions. I don't think that abandoning core values is a good idea though.
Besides I like the John Galt character.

512 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:37:18pm

re: #445 Russkilitlover

Also check out the webpage they sent you: 9/12/09 Taxpayer protest

Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty is a cosponsor. Grassfire is kinda dicey in my opinion as well.

513 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:38:00pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

* * * *
That too, and do as I did last week--make two spendthrift democrats lose their "jobs for life".

514 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

the solutions are the same as they ever were...there is no mystery there...it's not a puzzle...almost every honest conservatives understand the solutions....you confuse the messenger with the message...furthere the Tea Parties are not about expressing solutions...they are about dissent....you make it more complicated than it is...but that's your reality

515 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:38:50pm

re: #496 Desert Dog

He is everywhere.....in the background, working his little marionettes.....bwwwaaahhhhahaaaa

Evil Genuis demanding One Million Dollars.

516 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:38:54pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

El Presidente is laying the ground work right now for the Republican resurgence. Once his policies actually start being implemented (and fail), the Republicans will be there to scoop up the mess. I am not convinced the Republican "brand" is DOA. Things go back and forth. Right now, it's the Dems turn to screw things up. But, once the American people get tired of the Democrats, they will vote in the Republicans and let them screw things up for a while. We still have a two party system here in the good old USofA. Obama won by a nice margin, but almost 60 million of 129 million votes cast were against WonderBoy. Will all 60 million of those voters just give up and join the Democrats? No way.

517 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:39:07pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff

I thought you said the other day that you had not read Atlas, so how do you even know what you are talking about?

518 redc1c4  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:39:29pm

re: #488 Killgore Trout

I know the Tea Parties have an irresistible appeal to some people. If you really want to do something constructive I'd suggest ditch the John Galt stuff and free market fundamentalism and encourage the Republican party to rejoin the real world and work on practical and fiscally responsible solutions.

hahahahahahaha........

wait. you're serious?

519 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:40:35pm

Two steps forward three steps back.......
He's hangin on to these photos till he prosecutes Bush and his Admin.........

520 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:40:46pm

re: #498 debutaunt

did someone say "Ron Paul Blimp"?

521 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:40:49pm

re: #516 Desert Dog

El Presidente is laying the ground work right now for the Republican resurgence. Once his policies actually start being implemented (and fail), the Republicans will be there to scoop up the mess. I am not convinced the Republican "brand" is DOA. Things go back and forth. Right now, it's the Dems turn to screw things up. But, once the American people get tired of the Democrats, they will vote in the Republicans and let them screw things up for a while. We still have a two party system here in the good old USofA. Obama won by a nice margin, but almost 60 million of 129 million votes cast were against WonderBoy. Will all 60 million of those voters just give up and join the Democrats? No way.

With all these calls for Republicans to become more like Democrats, I wonder?

522 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:40:59pm

re: #517 Russkilitlover

I thought you said the other day that you had not read Atlas, so how do you even know what you are talking about?

Your kidding right? Really?

523 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:41:08pm
524 redc1c4  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:41:08pm

re: #517 Russkilitlover

I thought you said the other day that you had not read Atlas, so how do you even know what you are talking about?

don't bother: he's on a roll.

525 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:41:54pm

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Environmentalists are pressing Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee to step down from the board of a coal mining company ahead of its shareholder meeting Tuesday.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Because what the hell, kids can study in the dark anyway right?

526 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:42:04pm

re: #505 Cato

Their range is much better than limited to coastal targets I hear second hand, but I don't really know.

I'd expect that they would use cruise missiles to create a corridor for the aircraft to fly through then they would be on stand by for anti-shipping duties and to pick up any pilots ditching in the sea. Such a bold mission I would expect a varying attrition rate for aircraft and men.

527 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:42:04pm

re: #511 opnion

I don't know if the tea parties do any good or not & I am not involved.
I did see enough of them in Chicago to conclude that they are not a bunch of raving Ron Paul nuts.
I take that you are saying that Republicans need to get more "Moderate" in order to get back into power. McCain was every Democrats favorite Republican & that didn't work out.
I do believe that party leaders should check religion at the door & focus on real solutions. I don't think that abandoning core values is a good idea though.
Besides I like the John Galt character.

I can't think of anything better than the free market.

528 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #520 IslandLibertarian

did someone say "Ron Paul Blimp"?

Wow, Godzilla really hates that blimp!

529 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:42:20pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Environmentalists are pressing Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee to step down from the board of a coal mining company ahead of its shareholder meeting Tuesday.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Because what the hell, kids can study in the dark anyway right?

Because they burn the midnight oil, not coal.
/

530 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:42:23pm

re: #485 opnion

I'm confused, I know lots of Republicans, but don't know any Ron Paul supporters. Why did he do so poorly in the primaries, if he has such influence? I think that the media rolls him out , because he is a novelty act.

* * * *
Me too. Freak shows make the news.

531 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:42:45pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Also check out the webpage they sent you: 9/12/09 Taxpayer protest

Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty is a cosponsor. Grassfire is kinda dicey in my opinion as well.

I don't think we'll ever obtain the six degress of separation that you seem to demand. You have suggested that we "throw the bums out" of the tea party movements. I began voicing my opinion about the elements trying to hijack the tea parties to organizers today and now that I have some links, will continue to do so.

If you are so concerned, what are you doing?

532 Gella  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:43:27pm

is he switching sides now?

533 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:43:56pm

Young Americans for Liberty is also a cosponsor of the DC Tea Party. Check out their blog.

534 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:44:35pm

re: #527 debutaunt

I can't think of anything better than the free market.

It's imperfect, but it works. The old Soviet Gulags were not to house people that tried to sneak in.

535 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:44:55pm

re: #531 Russkilitlover

If you are so concerned, what are you doing?


Exposing them.

536 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:45:13pm

re: #533 Killgore Trout

Young Americans for Liberty is also a cosponsor of the DC Tea Party. Check out their blog.

yes, the Detroit Lions of the GOP

537 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:46:26pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Exposing them.

I'm here for the argument.

538 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:47:32pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

(This message is brought to you by a rabid LOST fan. If your name is Erik the Red, please disregard the following comment)

OT - OT - OT - OT - OT -

Don't forget, calling all Lizard LOST fans, tonight, the 3 hours of LOST, the season finale. A 1 hour recap program (in case all the time travel has got ya confused) and then a 2 hour episode.

For those who are interested, from what I gather, tonight's episode will be what is called in the business a "game changer," meaning evening you have experienced in the last 5 years will suddenly take on a whole new point of view.

And from what the producers say, if you are clever, after tonight you will have all the necessary information to actually form a coherent theory as to the whole mystery of the show.

539 Gella  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:47:52pm

from drudge
RADIO HOST MICHAEL SAVAGE APPEALS TO HILLARY TO REMOVE HIS NAME FROM UK BANNED LIST... DEVELOPING...

540 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:47:56pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Exposing them.

I don't think so. I think that you do not agree with basic free market principles and that you generally support Obama's economic policies so far. So you are basically against the Tea Parties and no matter who the organizers you are fundamentally opposed to the content.

541 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:00pm

re: #523 Iron Fist

It's certainly not good for my blood pressure. Maybe I should sue al Qaeda.

* * * *
address your suit to them via the ACLU, which represents them here!

542 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:09pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Exposing them.

mission accomplished...now what?

543 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:18pm
544 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:28pm

re: #542 albusteve

mission accomplished...now what?

Expose them again

545 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:39pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Environmentalists are pressing Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee to step down from the board of a coal mining company ahead of its shareholder meeting Tuesday.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Because what the hell, kids can study in the dark anyway right?

That's why I could never be placed in charge of certain institutions. I'd give people what they wish for!

"Oh, you don't like coal electricity, eh?" "Let me just cut the power to your dorms. The Labs could use the extra power anyway."

546 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:49pm

re: #539 Gella

from drudge
RADIO HOST MICHAEL SAVAGE APPEALS TO HILLARY TO REMOVE HIS NAME FROM UK BANNED LIST... DEVELOPING...

Hilliary who?

547 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:48:53pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

Correction

meaning evening = meaning everything

548 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:49:09pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

Please let me know about the polar bear monster thing. It's been bugging me for years.

549 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:49:32pm

re: #544 Desert Dog

Expose them again

I'm bored...let's go get a beer

550 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:49:37pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Environmentalists are pressing Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee to step down from the board of a coal mining company ahead of its shareholder meeting Tuesday.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Because what the hell, kids can study in the dark anyway right?

* * * * *
Turn off the campus power. Give them a week without re-charged devices or communications.

551 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:49:46pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

(This message is brought to you by a rabid LOST fan. If your name is Erik the Red, please disregard the following comment)

OT - OT - OT - OT - OT -

Don't forget, calling all Lizard LOST fans, tonight, the 3 hours of LOST, the season finale. A 1 hour recap program (in case all the time travel has got ya confused) and then a 2 hour episode.

For those who are interested, from what I gather, tonight's episode will be what is called in the business a "game changer," meaning evening you have experienced in the last 5 years will suddenly take on a whole new point of view.

And from what the producers say, if you are clever, after tonight you will have all the necessary information to actually form a coherent theory as to the whole mystery of the show.

My oldest son and Mrs. Desert Dog love that show. I have never watched it. Sounds like it might be worth going back and watching it from the start though.....

552 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:49:53pm

re: #549 albusteve

I'm bored...let's go get a beer

I'm way ahead of ya. Burp.

553 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:50:27pm

re: #543 buzzsawmonkey

That's the whole point. That's why it's funny, if it is.

I realized that as soon as I hit "Post." Little slow this afternoon, it being a Wednesday and all. But KT's getting me all fired up again!

554 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #549 albusteve

I'm bored...let's go get a beer

I'm about to have some hot cocoa and warm brownies.

555 captdiggs  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:50:37pm

How much credit does he really deserve?
There was no reason to threaten the release of the photos except to try to embarrass the previous administration.
The first people to object to there release on the grounds that such a release would jeopardize Americans, was the Republican opposition. Now Obama sees it their way, only he has yet again opened a can of worms for reasons of political revenge.
Watch and see, now that he has alerted the wingnuts to the photos, there are going to be Freedom of Information lawsuits galore.
And all because of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

556 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #552 Nevergiveup

I'm way ahead of ya. Burp.

Hey, I was gonna drink that. ;)

Hello lizards.

557 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #528 Desert Dog

Wow, Godzilla really hates that blimp!

Mistakes it for Mothra............

558 vxbush  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:51:28pm

re: #554 LilyGecko

I'm about to have some hot cocoa and warm brownies.

Excellent choice.

559 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:51:30pm

re: #533 Killgore Trout

Young Americans for Liberty is also a cosponsor of the DC Tea Party. Check out their blog.

* * * *
Were you the one trying to confuse them with the Young America Foundation? That runs Reagan's home in Santa Barbara?

560 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:51:48pm

re: #554 LilyGecko

I'm about to have some hot cocoa and warm brownies.

Good, then I'll take those beers & Fritos, if you don't wnt them.

561 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:52:08pm

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Did we clear up all the SOupy Sales myths while I was gone? I hope so.

No--we still think he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby./

562 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:52:50pm

re: #558 vxbush

Excellent choice.

How about Scotch and pork rinds.

563 alegrias  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:52:52pm

re: #540 Russkilitlover

I don't think so. I think that you do not agree with basic free market principles and that you generally support Obama's economic policies so far. So you are basically against the Tea Parties and no matter who the organizers you are fundamentally opposed to the content.

* * * *
Agree.

564 vxbush  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:53:20pm

re: #562 calcajun

How about Scotch and pork rinds.

Not so much. Not enough chocolate.

565 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:53:21pm

re: #517 Russkilitlover

I thought you said the other day that you had not read Atlas, so how do you even know what you are talking about?

Actually, a true "John Galt" movement can only be carried out by a rather restricted group- namely, innovators whose creations or financial holdings have the potential to widely impact the economy, and society.

If you or I "go Galt" (hole up in the boondocks like survivalists, or whatever), few people, even in government, are likely to notice, or care. If Bill Gates did it, and rendered his entire Evil Empire* non-operational first, that would have a serious effect that nobody could miss. However, it's unlikely to happen because, like the loon** who created the Segway, he's foursquare in The One's corner.

It would take several innovators who did not like The One's policies, and who were willing to risk the consequences of his likely response (which would very likely be much like his treatment of the Chrysler investors, only worse) to "go Galt" in a way that would have an effect on The One's policies.

/* My personal opinion of Microsoft and Co.

/** This month's Popular Science, in profiling Dean Kamen, states that he is convinced his scooter will render the automobile obsolete, and that the only movie he has ever seen in his life is Star Wars (Episode IV), which he watches almost obsessively. Therefore, I would not be buying a Segway, even if I could afford one- which I frankly can not.

(I refuse to do business with anyone weirder than I am.)

cheers

eon

566 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:53:29pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

I'm really looking forward to it. I have my evening all planned out.

567 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:53:52pm

re: #560 opnion

Good, then I'll take those beers & Fritos, if you don't wnt them.

Why do Fritos smell like feet? Or is it just me?

568 Bill Dalasio  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:54:04pm

re: #9 zombie

One of my favorite stories of Presidential briefings was one from Carter's briefing. Apparently, he asked then-CIA Director George H.W. Bush about the aliens. Mr. Bush responeded that that information was on a need-to-know basis, and that President-elect Carter didn't need to know.

569 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:54:21pm

re: #551 Desert Dog

My oldest son and Mrs. Desert Dog love that show. I have never watched it. Sounds like it might be worth going back and watching it from the start though.....

It is until you get to Season 5 and up up behind a year ... again.

/

570 freetoken  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:54:34pm

re: #531 Russkilitlover

I don't think we'll ever obtain the six degress of separation that you seem to demand.


Perhaps if you try for just two degrees of separation from the Paulians... that would be a start?

/The longest journey starts with the first step.

571 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #567 KenJen

It's you. Really./

572 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:02pm

WASHINGTON -- The co-pilot of doomed Flight 3407 was a sleep-deprived 24-year-old making $16,000 a year who bunked at her parents' house near Seattle, a cross-country commute from her homebase airport, air safety officials said Wednesday.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Most 24 year olds are sleep deprived. But still, pilots should be better trained.

573 Cobdenite  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:20pm

re: #8 zombie

And then there is Jimmy Carter, a man who got "the briefing" once, and then promptly forgot it.

574 punkindrublic  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:20pm

Barack "Hugo" Obama and his pack of clowns ARE an "extremely grave threat" (my words) to the United States. I know how he got elected; how do we get rid of these leeches? Does it take an asteroid on DC? Fine; just don't do it next week when I'm transitting DCA to Pax...

575 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:29pm

re: #567 KenJen

Why do Fritos smell like feet? Or is it just me?

Because Soylent Green is people.

576 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:52pm

re: #568 Bill Dalasio

One of my favorite stories of Presidential briefings was one from Carter's briefing. Apparently, he asked then-CIA Director George H.W. Bush about the aliens. Mr. Bush responded that that information was on a need-to-know basis, and that President-elect Carter didn't need to know.

And he was probably thinking, "How did this guy graduate from Canoe U?"

cheers

eon

577 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #567 KenJen

Why do Fritos smell like feet? Or is it just me?

Ah, I'll never view Fritos the same.

578 KenJen  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:55:58pm

Later guys.

579 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:56:06pm

re: #548 KenJen

Please let me know about the polar bear monster thing. It's been bugging me for years.

The polar bear thing has been explained a long time ago. The Dharma Initiative in the 70's and 80's, were using the unusual powers of the island to experiment on a number of different factors that effect human existence (fertility, climate change, exotic matter, electromagnetism, weather etc).

One of those this was climate changes. The polar bears were brought to the Island to see if they could acclimate the bears to a warmer climate.

The "smoke monster" has not received a complete explanation as of yet, but this much I can tell you. It's name is Cerberus, it is some sort of "guard," probably ancient, it may have a possible science based explanation (or it may be supernatural), it seems to posses the ability to read thoughts, reformulate itself into solid reconstructions of animate objects (Kate's horse for example) and it is obviously very dangerous when it wants to be.

Next question.

580 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:56:31pm

re: #540 Russkilitlover

Have you asked why they are planning a protest on 9-12? It's part of Glenn Beck's 9-12 movement. The possibility of Crazy Pam speaking should be the least of your concerns.

581 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:56:58pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

I'm really looking forward to it. I have my evening all planned out.

So do I. I'm going to make a long distance phone call to you just as the show starts :)

582 Eowyn2  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:56:59pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Environmentalists are pressing Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee to step down from the board of a coal mining company ahead of its shareholder meeting Tuesday.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Because what the hell, kids can study in the dark anyway right?

"It would be very easy for me to get off the company (board), because I really don't need to do that," Gee said in a videotaped interview with The Lantern, Ohio State's student newspaper. "But the other side of it, the reason I continue to serve, is the fact that I believe very strongly in environmental issues and it's better to be inside of the tent making a difference than it is (to be) outside complaining whining."

Impromptu editting

583 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:57:25pm

re: #563 alegrias

* * * *
Agree.

just for balance maybe KT should out some of the Marxists, racists and criminals in the party of Donks...you'd almost think he has an agenda, a fascination with the GOP

584 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:57:39pm

re: #570 freetoken

Perhaps if you try for just two degrees of separation from the Paulians... that would be a start?

/The longest journey starts with the first step.

Won't help. A netNazi will claim to have been there, and it's back to Guilt By (Any) Association™.

585 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:57:43pm

re: #562 calcajun

How about Scotch and pork rinds.

Scotch neat, soda back and a pack of Camels, non-filter............

Pork rinds? Go sit with the truckers!

586 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:57:48pm

re: #577 opnion

Ah, I'll never view Fritos the same.

I just went and sniffed them...they might smell like that if someone rubbed spices all over their foot...

587 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:58:00pm

re: #585 IslandLibertarian

Scotch neat, soda back and a pack of Camels, non-filter............

Pork rinds? Go sit with the truckers!

No Feetos?

588 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:58:34pm

re: #551 Desert Dog

My oldest son and Mrs. Desert Dog love that show. I have never watched it. Sounds like it might be worth going back and watching it from the start though.....

Season 1-4 are available on DVD, season 5, wrapping up tonight is available on ABC's web site, or you can wait till Dec. and get season 5 boxed. The final season, 6, will premier sometime in Jan. or Feb. 2010.

589 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:58:57pm

re: #587 Desert Dog

That was almost worthy of a down-ding...

590 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:59:01pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Have you asked why they are planning a protest on 9-12? It's part of Glenn Beck's 9-12 movement. The possibility of Crazy Pam speaking should be the least of your concerns.

I see we need an Al-Anon session here.

"Shoulding" on people is very, very naughty.

591 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:59:13pm

re: #585 IslandLibertarian

Scotch neat, soda back and a pack of Camels, non-filter............

Pork rinds? Go sit with the truckers!

The pork rinds are great if you dip them in the scotch.

592 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:59:17pm

I have a 3 bottles of Arrogant Bastard Ale and a sixer of Guinness. But, alas, I have a function at the high school to attend to this evening. No beer for me tonight.

593 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:59:40pm

The job makes the man.

594 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #589 LilyGecko

That was almost worthy of a down-ding...

Thank you for sparing me....I could not help myself

595 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 2:59:56pm

If you think your feet smell, they do.

596 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:00:52pm

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Season 1-4 are available on DVD, season 5, wrapping up tonight is available on ABC's web site, or you can wait till Dec. and get season 5 boxed. The final season, 6, will premier sometime in Jan. or Feb. 2010.

My better half has been bugging me for years to watch....but then she says, "WAIT, you have to start at the beginning or you will not understand"

597 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:00pm

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Season 1-4 are available on DVD, season 5, wrapping up tonight is available on ABC's web site, or you can wait till Dec. and get season 5 boxed. The final season, 6, will premier sometime in Jan. or Feb. 2010.

Only four shows on ABC's site (13-16) from Season 5.

Preserving the DVD market.

598 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:11pm

re: #594 Desert Dog

Thank you for sparing me....I could not help myself

At least he didn't sock it to ya. ;)

599 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #595 Ben Hur

If you think your feet smell, they do.

That's sorta like: If someone offers you a breath mint, TAKE IT

600 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:32pm
Obama decided he did not feel comfortable with the photos' release, and was concerned it would inflame tensions in Iraq and Afghanistan, put U.S. soldiers at higher risk, and make the U.S. mission in those two wars more difficult, according to White House officials.

Does anybody have a quote from Obama on Abu Ghraib from back in 2004 or 2005? My hunch is he wasn't against the release of photos then..

601 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:43pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Have you asked why they are planning a protest on 9-12? It's part of Glenn Beck's 9-12 movement. The possibility of Crazy Pam speaking should be the least of your concerns.

Kilgore, honestly it does not look like the Tea Party people are taking their marching orders from Ron Paul or Glen Beck. From what I observed this looks pretty grass roots.
You did notice that the President was petty enough to diss them. That did bother me.

602 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:43pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Have you asked why they are planning a protest on 9-12? It's part of Glenn Beck's 9-12 movement. The possibility of Crazy Pam speaking should be the least of your concerns.

Tim Geithner is far more dangerous to this country than Glenn Beck will ever be...keep your eye on the ball...only 0.005% of voters even know who Crazy Pam is....another shiny object

603 solomonpanting  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:56pm

Obama did the correct thing but only after coming under pressure:

But American commanders in the war zones have expressed deep concern about fresh damage the photos might do...

It should not have taken the objections of these commanders to help change Obama's mind. Anyone with a grade school education and a desire not to damage the US and its military would have denied access from the beginning. Fork him.

604 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

Amen. Dip the cigar in it too. Makes for a more mellow smoke.

605 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:02:16pm

re: #556 DEZes

Hey, I was gonna drink that. ;)

Hello lizards.

Hello {DEZes} how are ya doin' today?

606 eon  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:02:22pm

Well, I'm off for the evening.

Good night, Lizards.

Stay scaly.

cheers

eon

607 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:02:25pm

re: #597 OldLineTexan

Only four shows on ABC's site (13-16) from Season 5.

Preserving the DVD market.

That's strange, because in the past, I know I have seen a full season available. Hmmmmm...

608 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:02:41pm

re: #580 Killgore Trout

Have you asked why they are planning a protest on 9-12? It's part of Glenn Beck's 9-12 movement. The possibility of Crazy Pam speaking should be the least of your concerns.

I'm armed with links now and will bombard these "organizers" with all my concerns about nefarious associations. But I still do not discount the spirit behind the tea parties. I am mad as hell about most, if not all, of Obama's march to socialism and this is the only focus I care about. But I also agree that this message does not need to be tainted by the crazy fringe and I WILL speak out or correspond my opinion.

But I will NOT compromise towards socialism.

609 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:03:18pm

Oops! Late for a meeting. BBIAW.

610 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:03:39pm

re: #583 albusteve

just for balance maybe KT should out some of the Marxists, racists and criminals in the party of Donks...you'd almost think he has an agenda, a fascination with the GOP

Do you know how many hat tips I have exposing antisemitism at Dkos? More than I can count.

611 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #605 callahan23

Hello {DEZes} how are ya doin' today?

Better than yesterday, I was in a foul mood.
I am a happy camper today.
How you doing today.

612 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:04:10pm

re: #567 KenJen

Why do Fritos smell like feet? Or is it just me?

You should use real socks, not empty Fritos bags.

613 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:04:30pm

I look at the Tea Parties as the only conceivable way I was ever going to hear Janeane Garofalo's position on tea-bagging and/or see the entire broadcast lineup of CNN turn into giggling middle-schoolers on camera.

These are Important Things to experience.

/

614 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:04:50pm

re: #604 calcajun

Amen. Dip the cigar in it too. Makes for a more mellow smoke.

Enough about Bill Clinton, all right?

615 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:04:56pm

re: #601 opnion


You did notice that the President was petty enough to diss them. That did bother me.


He was asked a question about the Tea Parties and dismissed them as not serious.

616 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:05:04pm

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

That's strange, because in the past, I know I have seen a full season available. Hmmmmm...

If you find the LOST episodes, let me know please!

;)

617 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:05:15pm

Pope: Walls don't last forever

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Nothing lasts for ever, but if they are built well, they can last long enough!

618 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:05:32pm

re: #612 Kenneth

You should use real socks, not empty Fritos bags.

Actually, now I think my feet smell like Fritos, not the other way around.

619 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:05:51pm

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Season 1-4 are available on DVD, season 5, wrapping up tonight is available on ABC's web site, or you can wait till Dec. and get season 5 boxed. The final season, 6, will premier sometime in Jan. or Feb. 2010.

5 seasons stuck on an island, and the fat guy is still fat.

620 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:06:09pm

re: #596 Desert Dog

My better half has been bugging me for years to watch....but then she says, "WAIT, you have to start at the beginning or you will not understand"

That won't make any difference. You still won't understand it.

621 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:06:28pm

re: #608 Russkilitlover

You know that nothing is going to change. The organizers themselves are Paulians. I can assure that this is not going to go well. It's going to have a very embarrassing end.

622 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:07:08pm

re: #620 SixDegrees

That won't make any difference. You still won't understand it.

Well, LOST is like crack for son #1 and Mrs. Desert Dog...they cannot get enough.

623 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:07:21pm

re: #611 DEZes

Better than yesterday, I was in a foul mood.
I am a happy camper today.
How you doing today.

I am good. Well I am my usual melancholic self. ;-)
Anything particular that brought you that foul mood yesterday?

624 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:07:23pm

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

The pork rinds are great if you dip them in the scotch.

I haven't tasted a drop in over 22 years, but I say BLASPHEMY!

625 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:07:26pm

re: #619 Ben Hur

5 seasons stuck on an island, and the fat guy is still fat.

Someone keeps sending him Dharma Ranch dressing in gallon jugs.

626 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:07:36pm

re: #604 calcajun

Amen. Dip the cigar in it too. Makes for a more mellow smoke.

Can we leave Bill Clinton out of this?

627 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:08:06pm

re: #615 Killgore Trout

He was asked a question about the Tea Parties and dismissed them as not serious.

I'm not talking about that. He was giving a speech & threw in a gratuitous slapo at the Tea Party people saying, "....with their little tea bags" & then shook his fingers like he was waving a tea bag. Very petty,

628 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:08:54pm

re: #621 Killgore Trout

You know that nothing is going to change. The organizers themselves are Paulians. I can assure that this is not going to go well. It's going to have a very embarrassing end.

What do you base that assertion on?

629 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:09:05pm

re: #617 Nevergiveup

Pope: Walls don't last forever

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Nothing lasts for ever, but if they are built well, they can last long enough!

How about a burning hatred seared into the hearts and minds of an entire group of people? That can last a long time...maybe even 1200-1300 years if properly incubated.

630 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:09:06pm

re: #619 Ben Hur

5 seasons stuck on an island, and the fat guy is still fat.

No, 6 of the crash victims were rescued at the end of season 4, and spent 3 years off the island. Hugo was one of the rescued.

But now everyone is back on the Island, because they all realized that they were never suppose to leave.

A little problem, two of them are on the Island, Dec. 2007, and the other 4 have reunited with the other crash survivors, year 1977 (cue scary music).

You see, the Island has this little problem with not existing stably in the same time line as the rest of the world.

631 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:09:28pm

re: #610 Killgore Trout

Do you know how many hat tips I have exposing antisemitism at Dkos? More than I can count.

I don't have that kind of time on my hands...good for you...I'm not dissing you for what you do, it's just that Ron Paul and his followers are a small % of conservative voters and potential voters....he's bigger in the blogosphere which again is little known to most folks....now Creationism is a different story altogether...but RP is only as important as people allow him to be, whuch is very little at this point

632 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:09:38pm

re: #614 Kenneth

GMTA

633 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:09:40pm

re: #623 callahan23

I am good. Well I am my usual melancholic self. ;-)
Anything particular that brought you that foul mood yesterday?

The mood was brought on by an idiot I work with.
One off these days I am gonna pee in his Mountain Dew. ;)

634 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:09:58pm

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

(This message is brought to you by a rabid LOST fan. If your name is Erik the Red, please disregard the following comment)

OT - OT - OT - OT - OT -

Don't forget, calling all Lizard LOST fans, tonight, the 3 hours of LOST, the season finale. A 1 hour recap program (in case all the time travel has got ya confused) and then a 2 hour episode.

For those who are interested, from what I gather, tonight's episode will be what is called in the business a "game changer," meaning evening you have experienced in the last 5 years will suddenly take on a whole new point of view.

And from what the producers say, if you are clever, after tonight you will have all the necessary information to actually form a coherent theory as to the whole mystery of the show.

DVR is primed and ready. Won't be able to view things until tomorrow.

Got a kick out of a show that needs to run an hour long "Previously on Lost..." before their 2 hour season finale.

If this series ends with some old geezer dropping a snowglobe, I'm gonna be so pissed...

635 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:10:02pm

re: #626 Spare O'Lake

Can we leave Bill Clinton out of this?

Well actually calcajun was not referring to that kind of dipping. ;-)

636 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #619 Ben Hur

5 seasons stuck on an island, and the fat guy is still fat.

McDonalds available ?

637 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:10:41pm

re: #632 Spare O'Lake

SickMTA!

638 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:10:56pm

re: #622 Desert Dog

Well, LOST is like crack for son #1 and Mrs. Desert Dog...they cannot get enough.

And I'm the pusher man.

Really, if you ever get the time, catch up on the series. It has been considered to be the most unique and clever serialized TV show ever.

If you ever check out Lostpedia, there are over 5,555 pages of information.

639 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:10:57pm

re: #633 DEZes

The mood was brought on by an idiot I work with.
One off these days I am gonna pee in his Mountain Dew. ;)

Make sure it's well diluted. :-D

640 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:11:12pm

re: #619 Ben Hur

5 seasons stuck on an island, and the fat guy is still fat.

I think that's up there with the ending of Aida, in which people who are suffocating sing arias.

Suspension of disbelief for the purpose of plot.

641 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:11:25pm

Anybody tried Windows 7 yet? Good? Problems?

642 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:12:14pm
643 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:12:16pm

re: #634 SixDegrees

hahahahahahaa

644 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:12:21pm

re: #638 Walter L. Newton

And I'm the pusher man.

Really, if you ever get the time, catch up on the series. It has been considered to be the most unique and clever serialized TV show ever.

If you ever check out Lostpedia, there are over 5,555 pages of information.

Gilligans Island puts it to shame and you know it...check out Gillpedia

645 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:12:47pm

I can't believe this.

I'm in my discussion section and these punks are actually CLAIMING that it's due to US involvement in foreign countries that is causing the conditions that are making citizens of those countries....wait for it.....IMMIGRATE TO THE US!

646 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:12:54pm

re: #635 callahan23

Well actually calcajun was not referring to that kind of dipping. ;-)

It still amazes me how he got away with that shit.

647 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:13:07pm

Rep. John Murtha's opponent in the 2008 election claims the Pennsylvania congressman's chief of staff has threatened to have him recalled to active duty and court-martialed for campaigning while in the military, which is in violation of military code.

Bill Russell, an Iraq war veteran who served with the Army, told FOXNews.com that Murtha's chief of staff, John Hugya, made the threat on two occasions -- first to his former commanding officer and then to his face in March.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

When is enough enough? Murtha must GO.

648 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:13:39pm

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Season 1-4 are available on DVD, season 5, wrapping up tonight is available on ABC's web site, or you can wait till Dec. and get season 5 boxed. The final season, 6, will premier sometime in Jan. or Feb. 2010.

Also, the SciFi Channel has picked it up in syndication, and they aggressively marathoned everything they had just before this season began. That's how I got up to speed; I have never watched it prior to this year. Great show.

I like J.J. Abram's other effort, Fringe, too. They had an excellent season finale last night that will have me back next season.

649 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:13:41pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Nothing lasts for ever, but if they are built well, they can last long enough!

Hadrian's Wall is doing pretty well, still--in parts, anyway.

The Western Wall in Jerusalem is doing OK.

There are lots of walls in places like Karnak that have been around for a while.

Last I heard, both Wall's Ice Cream in the UK and Wall's Drugstore are thriving.

And the wall-eyed pike has been around for a hell of a long time.

walleye pike is not hyphenated you dolt

650 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:14:14pm

re: #630 Walter L. Newton


You see, the Island has this little problem with not existing stably in the same time line as the rest of the world.

Obama Island?

651 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:14:22pm
652 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:14:35pm

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

Hadrian's Wall is doing pretty well, still--in parts, anyway.

Och! The Roman apartheid wall! End the Illegal Occupation of Britain Now!

653 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #645 TheMatrix31

I can't believe this.

I'm in my discussion section and these punks are actually CLAIMING that it's due to US involvement in foreign countries that is causing the conditions that are making citizens of those countries....wait for it.....IMMIGRATE TO THE US!

I read an article years ago about a college professor claiming that "African, African-Americans sufferd from U.S ploicies.

654 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:15:04pm
655 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:15:22pm

re: #634 SixDegrees

DVR is primed and ready. Won't be able to view things until tomorrow.

Got a kick out of a show that needs to run an hour long "Previously on Lost..." before their 2 hour season finale.

If this series ends with some old geezer dropping a snowglobe, I'm gonna be so pissed...

Ah, an actual hardcore fan, if you can make the snow globe reference. The producers have promised for years not to do a B5 or BSG copout ending, and since they have had all the major mythos plotted out since day one, it's unlikely that they would ever do something like that.

You're watching a 120 hour movie, with a beginning, middle and end already planned, with a little wriggle room in the middle, if needed, to get to where they are going.

Although the last two seasons (this one and the next one), they were cut down from 24 episodes to 16-17 episodes, so, some of the writing (IMHO) has been a bit sloppy this season, since they are jamming a lot more into each episodes.

A few minor plot arcs will never be resolved because of the cut back on the final two seasons.

656 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:15:47pm

re: #646 Spare O'Lake

It still amazes me how he got away with that shit.

Well he was an enlightened democrat for starters ... then .. oh well... cow-eyed love by a teen that would have done anything to please or help or cover-up.

657 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #652 Kenneth

Och! The Roman apartheid wall! End the Illegal Occupation of Britain Now!

Hadrians Wall by William Dietrich is pretty good historical fiction

658 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:16:12pm

re: #644 albusteve

Gilligans Island puts it to shame and you know it...check out Gillpedia

Show ain't over, just wait. Smart ass :)

659 CynicalConservative  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:16:21pm

re: #641 Kenneth

Anybody tried Windows 7 yet? Good? Problems?

Running for 3 weeks now, better than Vista by a long shot, no issues to report so far. Generally pleased with it.

660 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:16:40pm

re: #619 Ben Hur

5 seasons stuck on an island, and the fat guy is still fat.

Noticed that. Also, their clothes are holding up pretty well.

661 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:16:51pm

re: #652 Kenneth

Och! The Roman apartheid wall! End the Illegal Occupation of Britain Now!

That actually is a cool place to visit. Especially on the west end, near Carlisle. They (the Brits) looted too many bricks on the eastern side. Newcastle was built with "old bricks". Still, considering when it was built, it is amazing.

662 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:16:53pm

(Back in after a few hours out.)

I'm VERY glad to see that Charles posted this.

My inclination isn't to give President Obama a thumbs-up, it's to give him and out-and-out kudo for this. If he's serious, and holds to this course, it's going to give him serious gastric (and political) distress. He simply HAS to know that.

You're doing the right thing, Mr. President.

/now keep it up.

663 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:17:22pm

re: #654 buzzsawmonkey

No need to get fishes about it.

I'm sardine

664 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:17:56pm

I just got Entertainment Weekly's LOST pre-show article link in my email, here it is for all interested, no spoilers...

[Link: www.ew.com...]

665 soxfan4life  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:17:58pm

OT here but someone leaked 0bama's list of SCOTUS candidates. May God look over our Constitution. Janet Napolitano was one of the people on the list.


[Link: www.comcast.net...]

666 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:18:17pm

re: #638 Walter L. Newton

I live about 3/4 mile from the "Lost" sound stage.
It's the caterers that keep the fat guy fat.

667 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #653 opnion

I read an article years ago about a college professor claiming that "African, African-Americans sufferd from U.S ploicies.

I didn't even know what to say, I was just so shocked.

668 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:18:49pm

re: #654 buzzsawmonkey

No need to get fishes about it.

What would it take to get Killgore to Trout out a pun?

669 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:18:49pm

re: #664 Walter L. Newton

I just got Entertainment Weekly's LOST pre-show article link in my email, here it is for all interested, no spoilers...

[Link: www.ew.com...]

I'm just wondering...do you wear dentures?

670 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:18:55pm

re: #646 Spare O'Lake

Me?

671 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:19:27pm

re: #660 SanFranciscoZionist

Noticed that. Also, their clothes are holding up pretty well.

Like I said above, 6 of the characters were on the Island for only 4 months (the show clocked a month per season) and then spent 3 years off Island (between season 5 and 5) and they are now back, for under a month, so, total time on Island, under 5 months.

672 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:19:32pm

re: #668 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What would it take to get Killgore to Trout out a pun?

Whats everyone carping about?

673 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:19:43pm

re: #653 opnion

I read an article years ago about a college professor claiming that "African, African-Americans sufferd from U.S ploicies.


What about this one:

My friend has a neighbor that works for an UN affiliate in NY.

Says the Hur, "You work for the UN? Are you the only American in your office?

Says the Neighbor, "No. We're a pretty diverse group. There are African Americans working there, too."

674 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:19:54pm
675 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:20:02pm

re: #665 soxfan4life

OT here but someone leaked 0bama's list of SCOTUS candidates. May God look over our Constitution. Janet Napolitano was one of the people on the list.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

OMG! We are doomed if she gets that seat. She is about as leftist as you can get. We are still shifting through the wreckage that was her 7 years as Governor here in AZ. What a mess!

676 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #669 albusteve

I'm just wondering...do you wear dentures?

Uppers

677 dhg4  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:20:29pm

re: #387 Your text to link...Dianna

Hoyer has always followed Pelosi's lead, though.

James Taranto today:

Presumably someone gave him a stern talking-to overnight, but why would he seemingly go along with the idea of investigating the speaker to begin with? Maybe because he has a score to settle with her. In November 2006, when both Pelosi and Hoyer ascended to their current positions, he did so without her support, as Fox News reported at the time:

Rep. Steny Hoyer emerged victorious Thursday after a bruising battle to win the No. 2 House leadership post in the 110th Congress.
Hoyer handily defeated Rep. John Murtha, who had the backing of House Speaker-nominee Nancy Pelosi to be her chief deputy when Democrats take back the House in January. . . .
Hoyer's success is a setback for Pelosi, who had faced her first leadership challenge by tossing aside her current deputy, with whom she had a chilly relationship, in favor of her longtime ally. . . .
In introducing the new leadership team, Pelosi congratulated Hoyer, but said before he speaks, she wanted to "acknowledge the magnificent contribution of Mr. Murtha to this debate on the war in Iraq."

If Pelosi had had her way, Murtha would be Majority leader and the Dems - due to his prominence - would look even more tainted by corruption than they do now.

678 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #667 TheMatrix31

I didn't even know what to say, I was just so shocked.

Ya know I remember a kid interviewed on the news about a year ago.
He was on his way to protest lack of free speech under Bush.
He never saw the irony.

679 OldLineTexan  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:20:50pm

re: #674 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know if I could brook that.

Don't be shellfish.

680 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:15pm

re: #652 Kenneth

Och! The Roman apartheid wall! End the Illegal Occupation of Britain Now!


What have the Romans ever done for us?
681 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:19pm

re: #668 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What would it take to get Killgore to Trout out a pun?

He's too crabby for that

682 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:22pm

re: #672 DEZes

Whats everyone carping about?

Don't know, but I now have remoras from having jumped the shark.

683 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #657 albusteve

looks pretty good!

684 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:50pm

re: #662 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

Good evening, Lizards.

685 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:56pm

People REALLY want to deny it, obviously, but Killgore Trout is right about the tea parties -- Ron Paul followers are deeply involved in organizing them. It's a fact, and just because you didn't see a lot of people wearing Ron Paul T-shirts at tea parties doesn't prove they're not involved. It's incredibly easy to turn up evidence of their connections to the tea party movement.

I've recommended this before, but if you want a small glimpse into what's happening behind the scenes, set up a Google News alert for "ron paul tea party." You'll be amazed at how much stuff is going on.

Deny it all you like, but Killgore's right about this.

686 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:22:01pm
687 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:22:54pm

re: #676 Walter L. Newton

Uppers

I got two new teeth installed today...the big ones in front...my new smile is dreamy....4200$

688 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:05pm

re: #655 Walter L. Newton

BSG had a pretty bad ending, but B5's ending was planned well in advance. Of course, the real ending ran in the wrong season because it wasn't clear there would be a 5th season.

689 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #675 Desert Dog

OMG! We are doomed if she gets that seat. She is about as leftist as you can get. We are still shifting through the wreckage that was her 7 years as Governor here in AZ. What a mess!

Let me get this straight... Obama will appoint her to the Supreme Court, as a reward for screwing up the DHS for the past 5 months?

690 Ben Hur  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:19pm

bbl

691 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:22pm

re: #672 DEZes

Whats everyone carping about?

'Cause of all the abalone.

692 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #673 Ben Hur

What about this one:

My friend has a neighbor that works for an UN affiliate in NY.

Says the Hur, "You work for the UN? Are you the only American in your office?

Says the Neighbor, "No. We're a pretty diverse group. There are African Americans working there, too."

Worked with a teacher once, lovely tough lady who had taught for a number of years in hard-core inner city schools.

She was observed once, by some ditz from district headquarters, who commented that 'you have a very culturally diverse classroom'.

"No I don't," said the teacher.

"What?"

"I have thirty African-American kids and five Latino kids. That's not 'diverse'."

"Huh?"

693 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:39pm

re: #680 Idle Drifter

[Video]
What have the Romans ever done for us?

The roads?

694 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:42pm

re: #687 albusteve

I got two new teeth installed today...the big ones in front...my new smile is dreamy....4200$

Implants? Or just 2 front crowns?

695 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:56pm

re: #674 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know if I could brook that.

Don't worry, he's probably too busy roeing up the Columbia River.

/can't remember, did I say the salmon an earlier thread?

696 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:23:57pm

Oh, and BTW, San Francisco has reinstated JROTC. Go us!

697 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:24:07pm

re: #683 Kenneth

looks pretty good!

you like that stuff?

698 slterry40  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:24:10pm

I think that this is a purely political move by Obama. I don't believe there is anything that bad in the pictures, and by fighting the release, it makes it appear these pictures are much worse than they really are. You should see the posts on the liberal blogs. "Wow, how bad must these be, if Obama thinks they will threaten security." It has everyone on the left raging, but not about Obama, instead at Bush and Obama's political enemies. Of course I tend to be cynical, but I read a few weeks ago that the pictures were no big deal, and nothing worse than what has already been released.

699 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:24:27pm

re: #696 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, and BTW, San Francisco has reinstated JROTC. Go us!

Why someone sue them?

700 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:24:49pm

re: #685 Charles

People REALLY want to deny it, obviously, but Killgore Trout is right about the tea parties -- Ron Paul followers are deeply involved in organizing them. It's a fact, and just because you didn't see a lot of people wearing Ron Paul T-shirts at tea parties doesn't prove they're not involved. It's incredibly easy to turn up evidence of their connections to the tea party movement.

I've recommended this before, but if you want a small glimpse into what's happening behind the scenes, set up a Google News alert for "ron paul tea party." You'll be amazed at how much stuff is going on.

Deny it all you like, but Killgore's right about this.

Of course he is right, and I don't understand why Killgore gets so much carping thrown his way about this. He supplies enough links to prove his points, there has been almost overkill in the MSM on this, and Ron Paul and his cronies themselves have stepped up and admitted how much they are involved.

What the fuck more proof does anyone need?

701 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:25:24pm

re: #693 Kosh's Shadow

The roads?

Well the roads go without saying.

702 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #655 Walter L. Newton

Ah, an actual hardcore fan, if you can make the snow globe reference. The producers have promised for years not to do a B5 or BSG copout ending, and since they have had all the major mythos plotted out since day one, it's unlikely that they would ever do something like that.

You're watching a 120 hour movie, with a beginning, middle and end already planned, with a little wriggle room in the middle, if needed, to get to where they are going.

Although the last two seasons (this one and the next one), they were cut down from 24 episodes to 16-17 episodes, so, some of the writing (IMHO) has been a bit sloppy this season, since they are jamming a lot more into each episodes.

A few minor plot arcs will never be resolved because of the cut back on the final two seasons.

Yup. My understanding is that the story's ending was where the writer's started, and they worked backward explaining how things wound up there. Too bad the vagaries of television contracts don't allow for a plan like this to really gel from the beginning. Maybe Lost will change that a bit.

They better hook back up with Rose and Bernard, though. Gaping plot hole you could drive a flaming VW bus through.

703 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:26:04pm

re: #680 Idle Drifter


What have the Romans ever done for us?

That is the best scene from Life of Brian. A good laugh and food for thought.

704 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:26:12pm

re: #699 Nevergiveup

Why someone sue them?

No, the kids and parents have been fighting for three years on this one. Going door-to-door, working up support. The Asian community loves JROTC.

705 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:26:42pm

re: #671 Walter L. Newton

Like I said above, 6 of the characters were on the Island for only 4 months (the show clocked a month per season) and then spent 3 years off Island (between season 5 and 5) and they are now back, for under a month, so, total time on Island, under 5 months.

Right. Plus, they had an entire plane's luggage compartment full of clothes to play with after the crash.

706 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:26:50pm

re: #684 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

Good evening, Lizards.

YIKES!
*swiftly covering a vital part of anatomy*

MWAH!

707 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:26:56pm

re: #691 rightymouse

'Cause of all the abalone.

re: #691 rightymouse

'Cause of all the abalone.

Wow, I'm about to conch out after reading that.

708 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:27:06pm

re: #687 albusteve

I got two new teeth installed today...the big ones in front...my new smile is dreamy....4200$

Well, I have no dental, so I have to pay out of pocket for any dental work, so, that only happens when I pick up extra money with my sometimes programming projects.

I got the uppers over two years ago, I've spent some money (about 800) this year to have some work on the bottom, but I still need to pop about 2 grand for partials I need on the bottoms.

It's my own fault, years of really heavy smoking and drinking.

709 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:27:44pm

re: #689 Kenneth

Let me get this straight... Obama will appoint her to the Supreme Court, as a reward for screwing up the DHS for the past 5 months?

I cannot imagine here getting that seat

710 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:27:46pm

re: #685 Charles

of course he's right about it, and that what pisses me off...I thrive on solutions and I don't see any yet that will preserve old GOP values....it's very frustrating and this stuff is a constant reminder of what I already know....it's nothing personal with me

711 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:27:52pm

re: #649 albusteve

walleye pike is not hyphenated you dolt

The walleye (doré in Quebecois French) is not a pike either, not even a member of the same family. The walleye is a member of the perch family.
The pike is actually better known as the northern pike, and is related to the majestic muskellunge.
For some reason, the walleye has oft been misnamed:
* walleyed pike
* pickerel
* yellow pickerel
Personally, I prefer "old marble-eyes".

712 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:27:53pm

re: #686 buzzsawmonkey

A very nice double!

*blush*
Thank you!

713 solomonpanting  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:28:18pm

OT:

Chemists see first building blocks to life on Earth

British scientists said on Wednesday that they had figured out key steps in the process by which life on Earth may have emerged from a seething soup of simple chemicals.

Critics of this theory will emerge soon, and will be featured in a new episode of From Soup to Nuts.

714 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:28:21pm

re: #709 Desert Dog

I cannot imagine here getting that seat

Ever imagine Obama would get elected President?

715 MandyManners  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:28:43pm

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

Well, I have no dental, so I have to pay out of pocket for any dental work, so, that only happens when I pick up extra money with my sometimes programming projects.

I got the uppers over two years ago, I've spent some money (about 800) this year to have some work on the bottom, but I still need to pop about 2 grand for partials I need on the bottoms.

It's my own fault, years of really heavy smoking and drinking.

Doesn't CU have a dental school with a clinic?

716 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:28:54pm
717 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:15pm

re: #697 albusteve

Sometimes. I'm reading Bernard Cornwall's Arthurian stuff now.

718 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:18pm

re: #712 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*blush*
Thank you!

Don't be so koi...

719 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:21pm

re: #714 Nevergiveup

Ever imagine Obama would get elected President?

Nope...did not see that coming either

720 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:33pm

re: #694 Nevergiveup

Implants? Or just 2 front crowns?

two new crowns...root canal redos and posts....I'm stylin now!

721 gmsc  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:43pm

OT and BREAKING: (Via Instapundit)

AN EXCELLENT MOVE (ER, NON-MOVE?) FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA: “Automotive News [sub] reports that the Obama administration has abandoned plans to nominate the CEO of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) to head the National Highway Safety Transportation Administration (NHTSA). Although neither the White House nor Charles Hurley’s MADD men (and women) are saying Jack about the decision, it appears Hurley ran afoul of . . . environmentalists.”

Okay, he did the right thing for the wrong reason. But while T.S. Eliot disapproved of that, I’ll take it any way I can get it. . . .

722 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:48pm

re: #719 Desert Dog

Nope...did not see that coming either

You and me both. Sigh.

723 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:29:48pm

re: #668 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What would it take to get Killgore to Trout out a pun?

We once accidentally hit one into his backyard. he came out, grabbed it, took it inside and still won't return it to us.

724 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:30:04pm

re: #706 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you have grandkids?

725 Jack Burton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:30:27pm

re: #659 CynicalConservative

Running for 3 weeks now, better than Vista by a long shot, no issues to report so far. Generally pleased with it.

Does the beta or RC you are using have a timebomb in it where it will stop working after 6 months or a year?

726 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:30:46pm

re: #707 DEZes

Wow, I'm about to conch out after reading that.

Be careful. It could make you shell-shocked.

727 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:30:47pm

re: #702 SixDegrees

Yup. My understanding is that the story's ending was where the writer's started, and they worked backward explaining how things wound up there. Too bad the vagaries of television contracts don't allow for a plan like this to really gel from the beginning. Maybe Lost will change that a bit.

They better hook back up with Rose and Bernard, though. Gaping plot hole you could drive a flaming VW bus through.

From what I gather, tonight. I write for Doc Arzt blog, and I mentioned that in an article I wrote about the "speeded up" writing of this season, and how the show lost some of it's internal consistency this year.

But still, this show has had concessions that NO TV show has ever received from a network in the past, and maybe it will become the new model (or part of a new model) of how serialized TV is produced.

Hopefully. I don't watch TV at ALL, except for LOST, because of the nature of how they plot and present shows. Cheap assed shit that I don't want to waste my time on.

LOST has changed the model, hopefully.

728 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #708 Walter L. Newton

Well, I have no dental, so I have to pay out of pocket for any dental work, so, that only happens when I pick up extra money with my sometimes programming projects.

I got the uppers over two years ago, I've spent some money (about 800) this year to have some work on the bottom, but I still need to pop about 2 grand for partials I need on the bottoms.

It's my own fault, years of really heavy smoking and drinking.

my body is a temple and I would never abuse it

729 opnion  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:31:17pm

Good night all.

730 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #717 Kenneth

Sometimes. I'm reading Bernard Cornwall's Arthurian stuff now.

Isn't that the one where the hero is a lower class Roman citizen who's made a tribune after saving Arthur's life and has to battle against class prejudice as he makes his way up the ranks? Or was that the wrong Arthur?

731 jcbunga  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:31:42pm

More pandering to his legacy. Nothing this guy does is statesmanlike or lasting.

732 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:31:50pm

re: #728 albusteve

my body is a temple and I would never abuse it

Never? Your nose is growing?

733 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #670 calcajun

Me?

LOL. If the shoe...

734 MandyManners  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:32:21pm

re: #723 calcajun

We once accidentally hit one into his backyard. he came out, grabbed it, took it inside and still won't return it to us.

Is he cranky?

735 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:32:47pm

re: #726 rightymouse

Be careful. It could make you shell-shocked.

Or just a lil crabby.

736 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #703 callahan23

That is the best scene from Life of Brian. A good laugh and food for thought.

SPLITTER!

737 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:33:17pm

re: #735 DEZes

Or just a lil crabby.

Maybe, but you could become mentally eel.

738 jvic  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:33:22pm

I give him due credit too.

And the more he shocks and enrages the far left, the more credit I'll give him. For example, not bankrupting the country would be a good move.

Shocking and enraging the extreme right is fine with me too.

739 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:33:41pm

re: #715 MandyManners

Doesn't CU have a dental school with a clinic?

I don't know. Every time I try to look into any assistance programs, it's seems I'm not poor enough, stupid enough, didn't have the right parents, or something like that.

I don't take handouts from anyone, but if I certainly really need some help, I have no problem asking for it, hell, I've worked for over 40 years and never fucked anyone over for a dime.

But, it seems when I do need a little help, it's not their for me. Maybe if I cut off my head and have myself dropped off in front of a dental clinic, then I will qualify for a little help.

740 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:33:54pm

re: #711 Spare O'Lake

The walleye (doré in Quebecois French) is not a pike either, not even a member of the same family. The walleye is a member of the perch family.
The pike is actually better known as the northern pike, and is related to the majestic muskellunge.
For some reason, the walleye has oft been misnamed:
* walleyed pike
* pickerel
* yellow pickerel
Personally, I prefer "old marble-eyes".

yup...and besides I've caught hundreds of them...very good eatin, maybe the best...we always refered to them as walleye 'perch'....they run in schools....man when you hit one of those you are in for some big fun...they are fairly aggressive

741 SixDegrees  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:34:01pm

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

From what I gather, tonight. I write for Doc Arzt blog, and I mentioned that in an article I wrote about the "speeded up" writing of this season, and how the show lost some of it's internal consistency this year.

But still, this show has had concessions that NO TV show has ever received from a network in the past, and maybe it will become the new model (or part of a new model) of how serialized TV is produced.

Hopefully. I don't watch TV at ALL, except for LOST, because of the nature of how they plot and present shows. Cheap assed shit that I don't want to waste my time on.

LOST has changed the model, hopefully.

Check out Fringe if you get a chance. It just wrapped it's first season, and is still a little rough around the edges. But it's grown on me.

Like you, I barely watch television, so it's saying a lot when I make a commitment to a whole series.

742 lobo91  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:34:06pm

re: #596 Desert Dog

My better half has been bugging me for years to watch....but then she says, "WAIT, you have to start at the beginning or you will not understand"

After I finished watching the season finale of Dollhouse last night, my wife asked me what happened.

After thinking about it for a minute, I told her it would take less time for her to watch the entire season than for me to explain it...

743 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:34:07pm

re: #641 Kenneth

Anybody tried Windows 7 yet? Good? Problems?

I love Windows 7 (I'm running the 64-bit version)...for a release candidate (and even the beta before it). it runs good, looks good, and I've had very, very few issues with program compatibility. The only real problem I've had is the 64-bit version of Ventrilo (voice chat software) not installing properly, but the 32-bit version does...otherwise, pretty smooth at this point.

744 MandyManners  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:34:39pm

re: #739 Walter L. Newton

I don't know. Every time I try to look into any assistance programs, it's seems I'm not poor enough, stupid enough, didn't have the right parents, or something like that.

I don't take handouts from anyone, but if I certainly really need some help, I have no problem asking for it, hell, I've worked for over 40 years and never fucked anyone over for a dime.

But, it seems when I do need a little help, it's not their for me. Maybe if I cut off my head and have myself dropped off in front of a dental clinic, then I will qualify for a little help.

That's not a hand-out. Your tax dollars go to CU.

745 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:20pm

re: #740 albusteve

yup...and besides I've caught hundreds of them...very good eatin, maybe the best...we always refered to them as walleye 'perch'....they run in schools....man when you hit one of those you are in for some big fun...they are fairly aggressive

They taste pretty crappie if you ask me........

746 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:29pm

re: #739 Walter L. Newton

I don't know. Every time I try to look into any assistance programs, it's seems I'm not poor enough, stupid enough, didn't have the right parents, or something like that.

I don't take handouts from anyone, but if I certainly really need some help, I have no problem asking for it, hell, I've worked for over 40 years and never fucked anyone over for a dime.

But, it seems when I do need a little help, it's not their for me. Maybe if I cut off my head and have myself dropped off in front of a dental clinic, then I will qualify for a little help.

Know the feeling. I'm currently applying to Hebrew Free Loan for a personal loan. Have told my husband that if we get told to drop dead, which is what generally happens when I ask the community for support, he is to be on watch and prevent me from converting to Islam out of spite.

747 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #735 DEZes

Or just a lil crabby.

You could always just limpet along.

748 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:40pm

re: #711 Spare O'Lake

Did you hear about the Canadian Fisheries Department lab that tried to breed the ultimate sport fish? They took a koho for taste, a walleye for habitat adaptability and a muskie for a strong fighting spirit. After many years they finally got a successful cross-breed.

They called it the "kowalski" - it sure liked to fight, but it had no taste, and they had to teach the damn fish how to swim.

749 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:43pm

re: #737 LilyGecko

Maybe, but you could become mentally eel.

The Morea think about, you could be right.

750 TheMatrix31  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:47pm

LMAO @ a hardcore Dem Obama supporter in my class criticizing Ah-nuld for "borrowing against our future".

**sigh**

751 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:35:48pm

re: #724 goddessoftheclassroom

Do you have grandkids?

OKAY!
THAT DOES IT!
You're getting a photo of my granddaughters via email!

/profuse compliments will be the order of the day

752 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #713 solomonpanting

OT:

news.yahoo.com...]>Soup to Nuts.

Isn't that what waiters do in insane asylums--serve soup to nuts.

753 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:36:26pm

re: #744 MandyManners

That's not a hand-out. Your tax dollars go to CU.

That's not my point Mandy. I'll make it simple, I am a white male, 56 years old, with a barely minimum wage job, I am over qualified.

754 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:36:31pm

re: #680 Idle Drifter


What have the Romans ever done for us?

This should be required viewing for every Liberal.

755 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:36:35pm

re: #717 Kenneth

Sometimes. I'm reading Bernard Cornwall's Arthurian stuff now.

ah yes...one of my favorites...waiting for Azincourt to come out in paperback...really loved his 'Archer' trilogy....check out the Ceasar books by Conn Iggulden

756 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:36:36pm
757 gmsc  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:36:45pm

re: #737 LilyGecko

Maybe, but you could become mentally eel.

"When the moon hits your eye, like a big pizza pie, that's a moray . . . "

758 CynicalConservative  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #725 ArchangelMichael

Does the beta or RC you are using have a timebomb in it where it will stop working after 6 months or a year?

Beta timbombs in August (I think) RC (currently using) is set to expire in March 2010. Using 64bit on a laptop with 2gb ram.

759 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:37:03pm

re: #747 rightymouse

You could always just limpet along.

With friends like you, who needs anemones?

760 gmsc  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:37:27pm

re: #759 calcajun

With friends like you, who needs anemones?

Some fronds you are!

761 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:37:47pm

re: #740 albusteve

yup...and besides I've caught hundreds of them...very good eatin, maybe the best...we always refered to them as walleye 'perch'....they run in schools....man when you hit one of those you are in for some big fun...they are fairly aggressive

Best fresh-water eating fish, bar none.
Filleted, lightly breaded and pan-fried in butter...mmmmmmm.

762 johnnyreb  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:37:49pm

re: #621 Killgore Trout

You know that nothing is going to change. The organizers themselves are Paulians. I can assure that this is not going to go well. It's going to have a very embarrassing end.

Didn't you say last week that the Paulians were secretly duping conservatives into joining up to the tea parties and filling their heads up with Ron Paul sound bites.

IMO you have lost all credibility as far as the tea parties go.

763 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:38:01pm

re: #760 gmsc

Some fronds you are!

You get by with a little kelp from your fronds, do you?

764 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:38:34pm

re: #761 Spare O'Lake

Best fresh-water eating fish, bar none.
Filleted, lightly breaded and pan-fried in butter...mmmmmmm.

Coastal girl, here. Freshwater fish taste weird to me.

765 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:38:43pm

re: #752 calcajun

Isn't that what waiters do in insane asylums--serve soup to nuts.

I thought that's what happened in the House dining room.

766 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:06pm

re: #753 Walter L. Newton

That's not my point Mandy. I'll make it simple, I am a white male, 56 years old, with a barely minimum wage job, I am over qualified.

Dental Schools usually don't have means tests for prospective patients. It just usually takes so much longer to get the work done, since Students are doing it, but the work is usually pretty good.

767 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:18pm

re: #743 talon_262

Thanks for the feedback. I'm downloading the 32-bit version to my netbook right now. I'll see how it goes.

768 wrenchwench  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:34pm

re: #762 johnnyreb

Didn't you say last week that the Paulians were secretly duping conservatives into joining up to the tea parties and filling their heads up with Ron Paul sound bites.

IMO you have lost all credibility as far as the tea parties go.

Lost all credibility with you, perhaps....

769 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #674 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know if I could brook that.

It would be golden.

770 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:48pm

re: #759 calcajun

With friends like you, who needs anemones?

You warm the cockles of my heart.

771 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:50pm

re: #756 buzzsawmonkey

heh...I need to memorize that...good one

772 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:39:59pm

re: #766 Nevergiveup

Dental Schools usually don't have means tests for prospective patients. It just usually takes so much longer to get the work done, since Students are doing it, but the work is usually pretty good.

With Walter's luck, he will return with little "F's" over all his crowns

773 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:40:27pm

re: #769 debutaunt

It would be golden.

Otherwise, it would be pretty crappie.

774 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:40:56pm
775 CynicalConservative  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:40:57pm

re: #767 Kenneth

Thanks for the feedback. I'm downloading the 32-bit version to my netbook right now. I'll see how it goes.

I've got the 32 bit version running as well on a 5 year old machine with no issues. 2.4ghz processor, 1.2gb ram. I think you'll be happy with it.

776 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:41:05pm

re: #773 calcajun

Otherwise, it would be pretty crappie.

All of these damn puns should get a Sturgeon General's warning, they're all bad for our health! :P

777 LilyGecko  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #776 Mithrax

All of these damn puns should get a Sturgeon General's warning, they're all bad for our health! :P

Good one - I was wondering how someone would work "Sturgeon" in....

778 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:41:49pm

re: #762 johnnyreb

Didn't you say last week that the Paulians were secretly duping conservatives into joining up to the tea parties and filling their heads up with Ron Paul sound bites.

IMO you have lost all credibility as far as the tea parties go.

You ARE being duped.

779 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:41:51pm

re: #746 SanFranciscoZionist

Know the feeling. I'm currently applying to Hebrew Free Loan for a personal loan. Have told my husband that if we get told to drop dead, which is what generally happens when I ask the community for support, he is to be on watch and prevent me from converting to Islam out of spite.

And understand, I'm not whining about being poor or anything. I make do, I'm not starving, I have a wonderful girlfriend, I'm basically comfortable.

But like a lot of people, that whole model can be upset by something as small as needed a tooth filled.

I get medical coverage ONLY because I am getting it under the table, I won't go into details, but, I make my co-pays when I need to, and I get my scripts at a discount, but I could loose that at any moment.

I always wondered why public aid was not set up to help fill in the little things, when they are small, before they become a major crisis? Why is it you have to be to the point of almost loosing it before a public entity will help?

Back in the 80's, I could have used about 100 dollars in food stamps to even things out. They told me I couldn't have 100 dollars in food stamps, but if I quit my job, sold my junker car, then I could have 485 dollars a month in food stamps.

Jackasses.

780 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:41:56pm

re: #776 Mithrax

All of these damn puns should get a Sturgeon General's warning, they're all bad for our health! :P

You will roe the day when that happens......

781 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:02pm

re: #776 Mithrax

All of these damn puns should get a Sturgeon General's warning, they're all bad for our health! :P

Give us a break here. Coming up with good fish puns is a tough roe to hoe.

782 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:26pm

re: #774 buzzsawmonkey

To be a dentist, you just have to have an enamel instinct.


And a lot of nerve.

783 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:27pm

re: #780 LGoPs

re: #781 calcajun

Caviar Emptor!

784 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:30pm

re: #781 calcajun

Give us a break here. Coming up with good fish puns is a tough roe to hoe.

Caviar Emptor......

785 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:32pm

re: #780 LGoPs

OMG. Scary. Very, very scary.

786 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:34pm

re: #760 gmsc

Some fronds you are!

Good REEF!
You're trying to coral us into an offshoot of this fish-pun thread.

787 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:42:35pm

re: #761 Spare O'Lake

Best fresh-water eating fish, bar none.
Filleted, lightly breaded and pan-fried in butter...mmmmmmm.

yeah..I'm not much for fancy fish prep...roast em on a stick if you can have a wood fire...grill em on a Weber...whatever, just heat and serve with some cornbread and roast squash and cold beer

788 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:43:02pm

re: #783 Mithrax

re: #781 calcajun

Caviar Emptor!

Damn. Beat me by 3 seconds....
:)

789 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:43:38pm

re: #788 LGoPs

Damn. Beat me by 3 seconds....
:)

this salmon knows how to swim upstream ;)

790 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #776 Mithrax

All of these damn puns should get a Sturgeon General's warning, they're all bad for our health! :P

I wish you'd kept that one Kooped up!

791 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:43:48pm

re: #783 Mithrax

re: #784 LGoPs

I'm to busy laughing. We've been doing this too long. Way too long.

792 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Coastal girl, here. Freshwater fish taste weird to me.

shame...I think lobster is the biggest food ripoff ever devised

793 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:44:38pm

re: #787 albusteve

yeah..I'm not much for fancy fish prep...roast em on a stick if you can have a wood fire...grill em on a Weber...whatever, just heat and serve with some cornbread and roast squash and cold beer

Throw them in the trash, preferably you neighbors trash, or some trash about 18 miles away, so I don't have to smell them. Just the smell of fish makes me want to puke.

794 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:03pm

re: #762 johnnyreb

Didn't you say last week that the Paulians were secretly duping conservatives into joining up to the tea parties and filling their heads up with Ron Paul sound bites.

IMO you have lost all credibility as far as the tea parties go.


Yes. If you'll notice the discussion on this thread is about the DC 9/12 Tea Party. It's a Glenn Beck event sponsored by Paulians. How does this destroy my credibility?

795 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:08pm

re: #789 Mithrax

this salmon knows how to swim upstream ;)

If you're headed that way, then I guess we'll see you ladder.

796 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:23pm

re: #779 Walter L. Newton

And understand, I'm not whining about being poor or anything. I make do, I'm not starving, I have a wonderful girlfriend, I'm basically comfortable.

But like a lot of people, that whole model can be upset by something as small as needed a tooth filled.

I get medical coverage ONLY because I am getting it under the table, I won't go into details, but, I make my co-pays when I need to, and I get my scripts at a discount, but I could loose that at any moment.

I always wondered why public aid was not set up to help fill in the little things, when they are small, before they become a major crisis? Why is it you have to be to the point of almost loosing it before a public entity will help?

Back in the 80's, I could have used about 100 dollars in food stamps to even things out. They told me I couldn't have 100 dollars in food stamps, but if I quit my job, sold my junker car, then I could have 485 dollars a month in food stamps.

Jackasses.

Take a trip to Mexico. A dentist in Nogales or Juarez could fix those up for cheap. Of course, the goons from the drug lord gangs will probably kidnap or kill you, but your teeth would be in great shape!

797 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:27pm
798 callahan23  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:38pm

re: #791 calcajun

re: #784 LGoPs

I'm to busy laughing. We've been doing this too long. Way too long.

You are all a very well-rehearsed team. That's all. ;-)

799 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:38pm

I do think the puns make this website guilty of molluskation.

800 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:45pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Coastal girl, here. Freshwater fish taste weird to me.

I agree with you for the most part, but freshly-caught walleye is the exception. Walleye does not taste or smell fishy or muddy, the flesh is nice and firm and the colour of the flesh is a beautiful white.

801 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:53pm

re: #795 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you kidding? no women want to spawn with me! :P

802 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:45:57pm

re: #790 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wish you'd kept that one Kooped up!

That was a real sinker.

803 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:09pm

re: #795 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you're headed that way, then I guess we'll see you ladder.

PIMF!
I could've put ANOTHER dam pun in there!

804 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:17pm

re: #792 albusteve

shame...I think lobster is the biggest food ripoff ever devised

Well, quasi-kosher coastal girl--I have no opinion of lobster.

805 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:29pm

re: #792 albusteve

shame...I think lobster is the biggest food ripoff ever devised

Careful, you are on the edge of falling into an écrevisse of bad taste

806 gmsc  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:30pm

re: #770 rightymouse

You warm the cockles of my heart.

Isn't the heart a mussel?

807 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #798 callahan23

You are all a very well-rehearsed team. That's all. ;-)

Have pun will travel
- Paladin

808 Sharmuta  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:53pm

re: #794 Killgore Trout

Yes. If you'll notice the discussion on this thread is about the DC 9/12 Tea Party. It's a Glenn Beck event sponsored by Paulians. How does this destroy my credibility?

And pamela is speaking.

809 Desert Dog  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:46:54pm

re: #800 Spare O'Lake

I agree with you for the most part, but freshly-caught walleye is the exception. Walleye does not taste or smell fishy or muddy, the flesh is nice and firm and the colour of the flesh is a beautiful white.

Freshly caught Brook Trout or Brown Trout, cooked on the campfire is my all time fav. Cannot beat that flavor.

810 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:47:03pm

re: #761 Spare O'Lake

Best fresh-water eating fish, bar none.
Filleted, lightly breaded and pan-fried in butter...mmmmmmm.

If your ever in the area, you have to try Henry's Fish House in Midland, Ontario. They serve all kinds of local lake fish: trout, pickerel, perch, etc. They have 2 locations: one on the mainland, and another on an island in Georgian Bay. You can only get to the island location by boat or plane.

811 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:47:26pm

re: #810 Kenneth

If your ever in the area, you have to try Henry's Fish House in Midland, Ontario. They serve all kinds of local lake fish: trout, pickerel, perch, etc. They have 2 locations: one on the mainland, and another on an island in Georgian Bay. You can only get to the island location by boat or plane.

could swim too.

812 debutaunt  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:47:33pm

re: #804 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, quasi-kosher coastal girl--I have no opinion of lobster.

Bring on the Dungeness crab.

813 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:47:56pm
814 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:48:16pm

I'm normally with Walter, but I have had freshly-caught halibut in Alaska, and that was quite nice.

815 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:48:36pm

re: #812 debutaunt

Bring on the Dungeness crab.

Get thee behind me, crustacean!

816 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:48:46pm

re: #792 albusteve

shame...I think lobster is the biggest food ripoff ever devised

Sea insects. Blech!

817 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:49:00pm

re: #786 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is this cat fishing?

818 Spare O'Lake  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:49:05pm

Walleye gotta get going now.
Sea later.

819 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #813 buzzsawmonkey

Not to be confused with the Dragoness crab.

Isn't there a treatment for that now? A new form of penicillin I hear.

820 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:49:16pm

re: #799 EmmmieG

I do think the puns make this website guilty of molluskation.

It's from watching all those prawnographic movies......

821 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:49:44pm

re: #820 LGoPs

It's from watching all those prawnographic movies......

No shrimpy men around here!

822 solomonpanting  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:50:12pm

re: #801 Mithrax

Are you kidding? no women want to spawn with me! :P

Low on seaman?

823 Mithrax  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:50:38pm

re: #822 solomonpanting

Low on seaman?

No they keep their eggs far far from me :P

824 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:50:40pm

re: #813 buzzsawmonkey

Not to be confused with the Dragoness crab.

Getting very gamey in here!

825 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:50:41pm

re: #820 LGoPs

It's from watching all those prawnographic movies......

Interestin' hypothesis. I'll have to mullet over for a while.

826 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #814 EmmmieG

I'm normally with Walter, but I have had freshly-caught halibut in Alaska, and that was quite nice.

I won't refuse to eat fish. I like a real clean, packed in water tuna, or a really clean, already peeled, de-gutted shrimp, and there are some white fish that I can put up with.

But I rarely ask or order fish on my own.

827 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:51:08pm

re: #792 albusteve

shame...I think lobster is the biggest food ripoff ever devised


You've never had my lobster omelette. It's cooked in sherry first. Lots of cheese.

828 solomonpanting  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:53:05pm

re: #823 Mithrax

No they keep their eggs far far from me :P

Are they chicken of the sea?

829 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:54:09pm

re: #827 rightymouse

You've never had my lobster omelette. It's cooked in sherry first. Lots of cheese.

Sound really great, how about you leave out the lobster?

830 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:54:11pm
831 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:54:23pm

re: #817 goddessoftheclassroom

Is this cat fishing?

MWAH!

832 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:54:33pm

re: #806 gmsc

Isn't the heart a mussel?

Only in bivalves.

833 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:55:02pm
834 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:55:03pm

re: #828 solomonpanting

Are they chicken of the sea?

On briny, anybody else catch that?

835 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:55:17pm

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

Sound really great, how about you leave out the lobster?

Why?

836 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:56:10pm

re: #830 buzzsawmonkey

Never mind; I'll drink the sherry, nibble the cheese, and release the lobster into the wild.

Where, of course, someone else will promptly eat him.

**sigh**

You'd hate my cooking. :)

837 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:56:20pm

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

Sound really great, how about you leave out the lobster?

I'm convinced that if we were aquatic we would stomp on lobsters and squash them like the bugs they are.......

838 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:57:26pm

Well somebody has to do this...;)
Well jimmy cracks crabs and I dont care...

839 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:58:38pm

re: #833 buzzsawmonkey

I still would like to see a Scandinavian restaurant called "Omlette Prince of Denmark."

"To broil, or not to broil. That is the question"

840 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:58:52pm
841 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:59:04pm

re: #835 rightymouse

Why?

I don't eat ANYTHING that lives in the sea, lives near the sea, occasionally takes a dip in the sea, appears to be a sea version of one of our land insects, smells like fish, looks like fish, wriggles like fish, or any of the odd supplemental food items that seem to cross the boundary between sea and land, like snails and seaweed.

Next question.

842 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 3:59:34pm
843 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:00:11pm

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

"Though this be clear soup, yet there is seasoning in it."

LOL.....

844 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:00:24pm

re: #837 LGoPs

I'm convinced that if we were aquatic we would stomp on lobsters and squash them like the bugs they are.......

I've posted it here before...

Lobster = sea roach
Crab = sea spider
crawfish = smaller sea roach

and you can find all the variations in between.

845 LGoPs  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:00:50pm

re: #841 Walter L. Newton

I don't eat ANYTHING that lives in the sea, lives near the sea, occasionally takes a dip in the sea, appears to be a sea version of one of our land insects, smells like fish, looks like fish, wriggles like fish, or any of the odd supplemental food items that seem to cross the boundary between sea and land, like snails and seaweed.

Next question.

So I guess sushi is totally out of the question....?

846 Optimizer  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:00:54pm

I'm tempted to laugh at this news item. Could it be that little Barry is starting to grow up (gasp!), and realize that he represents the same country he continuously has been working to put down? Nah - he's way too narcissistic for that. I need another explanation...

847 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:01:19pm
848 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:02:50pm

Trafe thread!

849 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:03:52pm

re: #841 Walter L. Newton

Norwegian fish paste?

850 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:04:06pm

re: #767 Kenneth

Thanks for the feedback. I'm downloading the 32-bit version to my netbook right now. I'll see how it goes.

I should clarify a bit...I installed the Windows 7 RC on both of my machines, 64-bit on my AMD Phenom X4 desktop and 32-bit on my Dell Mini 9 netbook. The 64-bit Ventrilo issue was on my desktop, while I have no issues on my Mini...all and all, Win7 runs well on both of my machines and I'm gonna do all I can to snag a couple of full version discs for free when Win7 goes gold (like I was able to do with Vista) ;-P

851 quickjustice  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:04:38pm

re: #844 Walter L. Newton

Lobster is an arthropod, Walter, as are crawfish. That's in the insect family. And properly prepared, they are delicious trafe!

852 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:04:40pm

re: #844 Walter L. Newton

Oh, the way you carrion just because they eat dead things.

853 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:04:50pm
854 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #851 quickjustice

And you can charge whatever the trafe-ic will allow.

855 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:06:13pm
856 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #840 buzzsawmonkey

Probably not, but the lobster is out, what with kosher restrictions and all.

Ahh...well. That is certainly a good reason not to eat lobster. :)

857 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:08:13pm

sumtin went poof!

858 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:08:23pm

re: #845 LGoPs

So I guess sushi is totally out of the question....?


Bet he hates mermaids too.

859 [deleted]  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:09:11pm
860 DEZes  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:09:15pm

re: #858 rightymouse

Bet he hates mermaids too.

Do Mermaids have a red light district?

861 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:09:55pm

re: #841 Walter L. Newton

I don't eat ANYTHING that lives in the sea, lives near the sea, occasionally takes a dip in the sea, appears to be a sea version of one of our land insects, smells like fish, looks like fish, wriggles like fish, or any of the odd supplemental food items that seem to cross the boundary between sea and land, like snails and seaweed.

Next question.


How about dried seaweed?

862 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:10:49pm

re: #857 DEZes

sumtin went poof!

Appears to have been a radar-lockon situation.

863 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:11:37pm

re: #860 DEZes

Do Mermaids have a red light district?

In Finland, I believe.

864 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:15:09pm

re: #827 rightymouse

You've never had my lobster omelette. It's cooked in sherry first. Lots of cheese.

I've eaten fresh lobster in Jamaica til my gut busted....jerk lobster is pretty good but I only pay a few dollars US for it

865 albusteve  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:17:18pm

re: #841 Walter L. Newton

I don't eat ANYTHING that lives in the sea, lives near the sea, occasionally takes a dip in the sea, appears to be a sea version of one of our land insects, smells like fish, looks like fish, wriggles like fish, or any of the odd supplemental food items that seem to cross the boundary between sea and land, like snails and seaweed.

Next question.

sardines in mustard sauce is a delicacy....you know not what you are missing

866 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:20:19pm

re: #850 talon_262

I too have a Dell mini 9. The info on the Windows 7 page says I need 16GB of available disk space. Well, a Dell Mini 9 has at most a 16GB flash drive (mine does. So how did you install it?

867 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:22:57pm

re: #864 albusteve

I've eaten fresh lobster in Jamaica til my gut busted....jerk lobster is pretty good but I only pay a few dollars US for it


I LOVE lobster. We do the gut busting bit when we vacation on Cape Cod. :)

868 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:23:56pm

re: #863 rightymouse

In Finland, I believe.

Not in Lapdanceland?

869 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:27:00pm

re: #868 calcajun

Not in Lapdanceland?


Well, it's certainly not Bangkok.

/many apologies for this one.

870 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:27:11pm

re: #808 Sharmuta

And pamela is speaking.

Actually, I got an update to this from my email I sent to them this morning. I copy/pasted it upthread. They say they are a completely different organization from the one that is having Pamela speak, but KT says the group that was on the LGF side bar this morning is organized by Glenn Beck, so there you go.

871 odorlesspaintthinner  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:28:56pm

This is nothing really. We can hope these small harbingers of how Obama will handle his test are pointing in a good direction. Every president gets his test, his Missiles of October, his Iranian hostage crisis, his 9/11. Obama hasn't had his yet. God help us, he will. God put Bush in the White House for 9/11- democracy or no, there was a reason that election came down to chads. God has put Obama in the White House for a reason, too. I don't trust Obama but I trust God.

872 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:29:11pm

re: #870 Russkilitlover


but KT says the group that was on the LGF side bar this morning is organized by Glenn Beck, so there you go.

It's not an unsubstantiated claim. Fo the the link they sent you and click on the sponsor's links. One of the link goes directly to Ron Paul's own webpage.

873 Lokotes  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:29:26pm

Good for the President. But I've a feeling that MoveOn and the ACLU are not finished with this issue, not by a long shot.

874 Kenneth  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #871 odorlesspaintthinner

God did not put anybody in the White House. The American voters did.

875 calcajun  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:30:16pm

re: #869 rightymouse

Oh Phuket, I'm off to another thread.

876 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:34:44pm

Of course in three years when he is unelected the O' will be screaming to release those photos if the next POTUS is a Republican...
(also deeply believing the O' may be the first sitting POTUS to be unselected in primaries)

877 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:37:53pm

re: #875 calcajun

Oh Phuket, I'm off to another thread.


And it's dinner time here.

Hubby just made some grilled fish. :)

878 rightymouse  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:39:45pm

re: #875 calcajun

Oh Phuket, I'm off to another thread.

It's pronounced 'Pookhet', but the spelling makes it pretty funny. lol!

879 neoconundrum  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:49:40pm

And again, I have to give Obama a thumbs-up for doing the right thing in this case, instead of pandering to the MoveOn.org crowd and the Democrats screaming for Bush administration blood.

Charles,

Sorry to say, I don't share your "thumbs-up" for Barry.

This incompetent president consciously made water-boarding and Abu-Ghraib a major issue for weeks now. So now that he has all of a sudden decided not to release this information is moot. The damage has already been done. And his "side-kick" Nancy Pelosi is has lied in order to defame out country further.

Two-thumbs up for Dick Cheney.

And two-thumbs down on Obama for the damage he continues to pile on our country.

880 tats66  Wed, May 13, 2009 4:51:11pm

Well, and I hope Im not just being too much of a pessimist, but although I certainly agree with the decision, I will need alot of convincing that the motive was the correct one. I can only imagine a president that really dosnt like his country much would only make this decision based on its benefits/detriments to himself only......my 2 cents

881 odorlesspaintthinner  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:14:46pm

re: #874 Kenneth

God did not put anybody in the White House. The American voters did.

"Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves.-Romans 13:1-2

882 J.S.  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:15:01pm

At the ACLU website, the lawyers there are claiming that there's going to be quite a battle over these pictures...(of course, it's to be expected that these lawyers will be trumpeting their arguments ) but, just as a reminder, this case isn't over yet...(and the Obama administration could lose...)

883 TedStriker  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:25:17pm

re: #866 Kenneth

I too have a Dell mini 9. The info on the Windows 7 page says I need 16GB of available disk space. Well, a Dell Mini 9 has at most a 16GB flash drive (mine does. So how did you install it?

I got my Mini 9 refurbed from Dell Outlet about a month ago...mine must have been a special order, because my Mini 9 came with a 32 GB SSD and WinXP SP3. The 32 GB SSD is apparently not a normal build option for the Mini 9, because I couldn't find it when I tried to build one through Dell Home & Home Office before I got my Mini 9 through the Outlet.

You can upgrade the SSD to 32 GB relatively easily and inexpensively...the extra space has proven to be quite useful and I'll upgrade to 64 GB before too long.

884 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:38:56pm

thumbs down. nobody can obstruct the law or cover up potential crimes, not even the US president. go get em ACLU

885 afton  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:40:20pm

Late to this and don't have time to go through 883 comments but the important aspect of this is Obama VOWED to release these photos and now has reversed that to this decision. He WANTED these photos public and only when some military brass flexed their muscle, did he change his little mind.

So, to pat this clown on the back for supposedly making a good decision is bullshit. This President wanted these photos out there for the whole world to see - he pushed for it, he blessed it and at the last minute reluctantly changed his mind.

I'd say the only "hero" here is probably a five star General who got in this rookie President's face and told him he better change his mind or else.

886 AFVetWife  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:45:25pm

re: #11 talon_262
I agree. Also, why was this not his position from the very beginning? That would have been the right thing to do, not the politically expedient thing.

887 AFVetWife  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:48:39pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

I agree. A truly proportionate response would have been to blast them back to the Stone Age then (of course, for many of them, that would not be a very long journey).

888 AFVetWife  Wed, May 13, 2009 5:57:35pm

re: #95 alegrias

I totally agree. I am glad that VP Cheney is speaking out. After all, he has nothing to lose, and the truth has everything to gain.

889 David Simon  Wed, May 13, 2009 6:18:27pm

re: #884 spacejesus

thumbs down. nobody can obstruct the law or cover up potential crimes, not even the US president. go get em ACLU

There's no obstruction or cover up, you malignant turd. To release the photos would only stir up anger and possibly get our troops killed. (Which would no doubt please a fucking asshole like you.)

890 David Simon  Wed, May 13, 2009 6:21:11pm

re: #885 afton

Late to this and don't have time to go through 883 comments but the important aspect of this is Obama VOWED to release these photos and now has reversed that to this decision. He WANTED these photos public and only when some military brass flexed their muscle, did he change his little mind.

So, to pat this clown on the back for supposedly making a good decision is bullshit. This President wanted these photos out there for the whole world to see - he pushed for it, he blessed it and at the last minute reluctantly changed his mind.

I'd say the only "hero" here is probably a five star General who got in this rookie President's face and told him he better change his mind or else.

I think you're a little confused about who reports to whom.

I wish this shit hadn't been stirred up in the first place, but I give Obama credit for ultimately making the right decision.

891 Macker  Wed, May 13, 2009 6:47:47pm

re: #67 Clubsec

Well, well. And you're going to give him credit for this decision?
Wouldn't it have been better if his AG had FOUGHT the ACLU, et al, before it got this far? Now, William J Clinton was labeled 'the boy president' due to his 'glandular proclivities'. ObamUH is the 'child president' because he has the judgement of a child.

If that's the case (and I'm not disagreeing with you at atll), then what does that make Joe The Biden™?

892 Macker  Wed, May 13, 2009 6:49:24pm

re: #885 afton

Or else what?

893 Dr. Shalit  Wed, May 13, 2009 7:41:18pm

OK Everyone -

Give Pres. Obama "Props" for this one. Perhaps he is "Getting It" about being President of the US, not the World.

-S-

894 stuiec  Wed, May 13, 2009 9:39:28pm

re: #891 Macker

If that's the case (and I'm not disagreeing with you at atll), then what does that make Joe The Biden™?

The crazy uncle who the Child President was left in the care of.

Like Tommy was left with Uncle Ernie.

895 Ledger1  Thu, May 14, 2009 12:15:51am

re: #23 albusteve

who athorized their release in the first place?...I'm confused

Obama is playing "good cop bad cop."

Obama’s justice department wanted the pictures released as retaliation against the Bush Administration.

Now, Obama may win a legal appeal to keep them secret. Obama looks like the good guy. Further, notice how this takes the spot light off of Cheney’s request for release of interrogation memos which showed how those interrogation methods worked. Now, Cheney is out of the picture and his request will not be honored.

That is clever partisan politics.

896 Maui Girl  Thu, May 14, 2009 1:12:16am

Obama is going to be speaking to the Muslim world via Egypt soon. This is all about saving his own ass. He doesn't want any unnecessary unrest while he visits the Middle East thus, he speaks out against releasing the abuse pix. Altho the decision is a good one (surely only after the Pentagon had to enlighten the fool as to the consequences of releasing the photos), the motivation is totally narcissistic. Just my opinion.

897 SixDegrees  Thu, May 14, 2009 2:03:09am

re: #881 odorlesspaintthinner

"Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves.-Romans 13:1-2

An excellent argument for keeping religious kooks and zealots as far away from the reins of power as possible.

898 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 2:20:21am

re: #889 David Simon

There's no obstruction or cover up, you malignant turd. To release the photos would only stir up anger and possibly get our troops killed. (Which would no doubt please a fucking asshole like you.)

shut the fuck up. the court ordered their release, and the president is trying to silence a court order. how is that not a cover-up or perversion of justice? you're saying that we as a country should ignore the law? rule of law is what separates us from those we are fighting. god you are an idiot.

899 voluble  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:36:27am

Just more evidence that Obama is extremely slow witted. He never thinks things through to their full conclusion... indeed there is little evidence he gives anything of importance more than a passing thought. He is too busy dispensing social justice and playing idiot king to actually think about the consequences of his actions or why things have always been done as they have before issuing an opinion... that he will contradict the next day or in the next paragraph.

I agree with whoever said that he got "the briefing" when he assumed office. Indeed, I even think I know when it occurred given his demeanor and countenance at a certain point early on. But it is significant to note that while some would like to give him credit for "coming around" none of the other candidates (especially the much maligned Palin) needed to "come around." They had enough intelligence and common sense to understand the threat we are facing without having to go through "the briefing." They had thought the issue through. People are really stretching to give this guy credit for something, anything, so they don't look like the rubes they are for voting him into office. When he does something that meets the minimum standard we would expect from any sentient being holding the office everyone leaps to praise him like some dog that managed not to dump on the carpet for once.

This president should have come with training wheels.

900 Mikey_Dallas  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:27:06am

It's a two-fer for the King. He gets to claim he doesn't want the photos released, then his stooges will release them out the back door to NYT anyway.

901 tats66  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:43:21am

re: #898 spacejesus

Give me a break....The same fucked up system that wld allow some sorry assed court, presided over by what I wld bet is some activist judge trying to dictate policy from the bench (probably an honorary code pink wacko to boot, but Im just theorizing), is the same system that allows even this president to attempt to block the photos' publication. So I fail to see the "cover up" aspect of it, especially since the big O has as little regard for the repercussions on the safety of our troops as u do. Live with it. CHANGE!

PS. FUCK THE ACLU

902 wiffersnapper  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:49:12am

re: #8 zombie

yup

903 DANEgerus  Thu, May 14, 2009 4:09:34pm

Obambi is going to release them right AFTER he gets back from his smear-American-Again tour of the Middle East.

Can't rattle the natives cage before he makes the trip.

904 MacGregor  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:51:02am

re: #443 MacGregor

Good afternoon Lizards. I think the administration never intended to release these photos and it is all poisonous smoke. If he can make the right squeal enough, that's all people are going to hear. No kudos to the messiah for such manipulation.

After reading a comments in later threads about this, I rescind this comment and give credit to O.


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