GOP State Sen. Kim Hendren: ‘That Jew’

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With the GOP on the ropes and struggling to keep from being knocked out, this is probably the last news Michael Steele wants to hear: GOP Sen. hopeful heard calling Schumer ‘that Jew’.

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — A Republican state lawmaker hoping for his party’s nod to run for Senate reportedly referred to Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer as “that Jew” during a recent appearance before a Republican group.

State Sen. Kim Hendren told The Associated Press on Thursday that he was wrong to refer to Schumer’s religious affiliation during a Pulaski County Republican Committee meeting last week. Hendren said he doesn’t remember the exact wording of his comment, but he was quoted by conservative blogger Jason Tolbert as calling Schumer “that Jew.”

“I ought not to have referred to it at all,” Hendren told the AP. “When I referred to him as Jewish, it wasn’t because I don’t like Jewish people.”

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907 comments
1 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:04:52pm

goodbye social conservativism

2 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:04:57pm

It was a Freudian slop

3 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:05:03pm

Kick him to the curb.

4 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:05:56pm

Sean Hannity is going to be covering the Great Atheist Conspiracy tonight.

5 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:06:23pm

re: #4 Charles

Sean Hannity is going to be covering the Great Atheist Conspiracy tonight.

Does it begin and end with Darwin?

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:06:30pm

re: #4 Charles

Sean Hannity is going to be covering the Great Atheist Conspiracy tonight.

WTF?!

/I don't watch TV

7 DEZes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:07:50pm

“When I referred to him as Jewish, it wasn’t because I don’t like Jewish people.”

Um, just 2 words.
Bull S**t.

8 Render  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:08:12pm

[Link: tolbertreport.com...]

Do we know Mr. Tolbert?

SHOULD
WE?,
R

9 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:08:13pm

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

WTF?!

/I don't watch TV

I haven't watched O'Reilly or Hannity in a very very long time.

10 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:08:50pm

The GOP just simply couldn't generate more bad publicity if they tried.

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:09:38pm

Fox News is going all out, trying to push the GOP all the way to the right. It's a non-stop barrage of abuse directed at moderate Republicans, and non-stop pandering to the far right religious fanatics like Mike Huckabee.

12 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:09:49pm

Yet another reason why the GOP can't seem to attract the Jewish vote.

13 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:10:17pm

that is very rude.
he needs to learn some manners.

14 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:10:42pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The GOP just simply couldn't generate more bad publicity if they tried.

It's only a problem if it's not used as an opportunity to clean house. Garbage like this should be denounced quickly and strongly.

15 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:11:10pm

re: #4 Charles

Sean Hannity is going to be covering the Great Atheist Conspiracy tonight.

Can't wait. Being that he's such a shining example of theological knowledge.

/Groan

16 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:11:39pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Does it begin and end with Darwin?

I wonder if Ravi Zacharias will show up. In the 1990s he was spreading the talking point that atheists should be relabeled "anti-theists", and atheism in its modern form was invented by Nietzsche.

17 DEZes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:11:39pm

re: #13 nyc redneck

that is very rude.
he needs to learn some manners.

Very true.
He also needs to crawl under a rock.

18 Ojoe  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:12:30pm

Time for a moderate center party, not the least to short circuit the media, which pushes extremes. I also think the country would be well served to keep the D and R parties as booby hatches.

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:12:44pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The GOP just simply couldn't generate more bad publicity if they tried.

Don't say that too loud.

20 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:12:49pm

re: #17 DEZes

Very true.
He also needs to crawl under a rock.

he certainly came out from under one.

21 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:12:56pm

People don't want to think anymore. They want to be spoon fed, and the people stepping up to do this are self-serving pandering narcissists like sean vanity.

22 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:13:15pm

This works both ways.

As I posted on the last thread, Pamela has now started hurling the epithet JINO - Jew in name only - at people she doesn't agree with. Presumably this would include Schumer.

Yes, she now decides whether you're a Jew or not.

I'd hand her a fresh spade but she's down to bedrock.

23 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:13:16pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

The GOP just simply couldn't generate more bad publicity if they tried.

cranked up full steam....

24 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:13:28pm

re: #17 DEZes

Very true.
He also needs to crawl under a rock.

Must be a recurring theme down in Arkansas. Hillary said something off the wall in a similar context.

25 DEZes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #20 nyc redneck

he certainly came out from under one.

Precisely, I was just pointing his way home. ;)

26 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:14:06pm

re: #25 DEZes

Precisely, I was just pointing his way home. ;)

I know where he can find a Little Rock. /

27 pegcity  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:14:17pm

what does his religion have to do with anything?

not a good excuse.

28 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:15:00pm

re: #27 pegcity

what does his religion have to do with anything?

not a good excuse.

just more veiled identity politics...the worst sort

29 DEZes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:15:07pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Must be a recurring theme down in Arkansas. Hillary said something off the wall in a similar context.

My opinion of her has been set for decades.
Its not pretty.

30 jhrhv  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:16:18pm

in other news. Kim Hendren 71 year old racist meets bottom of bus.

31 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:16:35pm
32 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:16:49pm

He should know in these parts Schumer is known as that schmuck.

33 seagreenroom  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:00pm

I can't believe how inept these people are. Now we'll have that sleazebag Schumer garnering sympathy votes for being the victim of a "hate crime".

Jeebus.

34 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:03pm

re: #22 Cato the Elder

This works both ways.

As I posted on the last thread, Pamela has now started hurling the epithet JINO - Jew in name only - at people she doesn't agree with. Presumably this would include Schumer.

Yes, she now decides whether you're a Jew or not.

I'd hand her a fresh spade but she's down to bedrock.

Does Pam keep Shabbat and eat kosher? If not then I would say she is a JINO.

Debbie Schlussel--nobody can say that girl is a JINO.

35 pegcity  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:08pm

so what does he think of that other jew Cantor?

36 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:09pm

Wow. Check out Hendren's context from the blog Render linked -

“At the meeting I was attempting to explain that unlike Sen. Schumer, I believe in traditional values, like we used to see on ‘The Andy Griffith Show.’ I made the mistake of referring to Sen. Schumer as ‘that Jew’ and I should not have put it that way as this took away from what I was trying to say.”

I think what we have here is that old chestnut, that Jews are enemies to "traditional values": subverters of Christianity and American patriotism.

Arkansas Republicans would be well advised to show this man the door.

37 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:20pm

Rep Kim Hendren is toast for higher office, and rightfully so.

Now will you all please gang up on my congressional representative and legendary antisemite, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) who regularly blames "neocons" and Jewish Americans for policies he doesn't like? Please?

38 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:26pm

re: #29 DEZes

My opinion of her has been set for decades.
Its not pretty.

Didn't like her from the start. Was just listening to this Kim Hendren person and he sounds the part -- almost like a Paulian. Would have to look further.

39 DEZes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:17:36pm

You may think that when you get to the bottom of the barrel you have found the lowest scum.
But then you lift the barrel.....

40 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:18:31pm

He's a South Park episode come to life.

41 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:19:01pm

re: #35 pegcity

so what does he think of that other jew Cantor?

* * * * * *
Hopefully Arkansan state Rep. Kim Hendren doesn't smear all GOP or all people, like some are doing here right now!

42 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:19:28pm

re: #37 alegrias

Rep Kim Hendren is toast for higher office, and rightfully so.

Now will you all please gang up on my congressional representative and legendary antisemite, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) who regularly blames "neocons" and Jewish Americans for policies he doesn't like? Please?

post a list of appropriate mean names and some beginner epithets...

jus kidding

43 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:19:28pm
44 jhrhv  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:20:01pm

Kim Hendren that Christian.

/

45 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:20:12pm

re: #4 Charles

Sean Hannity is going to be covering the Great Atheist Conspiracy tonight.

What kind of abuse would Thomas Jefferson come in for from these people if he were alive today?

Yet these people claim to speak in the names of the founders.

46 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:20:44pm

re: #44 jhrhv

Kim Hendren that Christian.

/

Kim Hendren that asshole.

/I know, it's not fair to smear all assholes.

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:20:58pm

re: #36 Zimriel

That's just pathetic. He wants to go back to the values he saw on the Andy Griffith Show.

Call on the clue phone: that was fiction. Mayberry was not a real place.

48 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:21:48pm

Re, Pam: which synagogue does she run, exactly?

49 Flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:22:03pm

re: #18 Ojoe

Time for a moderate center party, not the least to short circuit the media, which pushes extremes. I also think the country would be well served to keep the D and R parties as booby hatches.

What's your idea of moderate and centrist?

50 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:22:14pm

re: #36 Zimriel

Wow. Check out Hendren's context from the blog Render linked -

I think what we have here is that old chestnut, that Jews are enemies to "traditional values": subverters of Christianity and American patriotism.

Arkansas Republicans would be well advised to show this man the door.

* * * * **
You can count on the GOP tossing this turkey out.

Meanwhile, democrats like my antisemite congressional Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) invoke that crap against Jewish Americans and Israel, and get away with it, right here inside the Beltway.

The lack of condemnation of this Moran's behavior is telling, as The Washington Post has him on speed-dial.

51 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:22:37pm
52 callahan23  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:22:47pm

'Kim Hendren 71 year old' to which higher office was he aspiring to other than crossing the J*rd*n?
Old f*cking racist git!

---

Too late for me. So long {Lizards}

53 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:23:05pm
54 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:23:56pm

He was a Democrat when he ran against Clinton for Governor in 1982.

/sounds like just another principled politician ....

55 DEZes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:23:58pm

re: #52 callahan23

'Kim Hendren 71 year old' to which higher office was he aspiring to other than crossing the J*rd*n?
Old f*cking racist git!

---

Too late for me. So long {Lizards}

I have to bug out too.
{Callahan}

Lizards, thanks for keeping me company.

56 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:24:46pm
57 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:24:56pm

re: #52 callahan23

re: #55 DEZes

Have a good one.

58 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #11 Charles

Fox News is going all out, trying to push the GOP all the way to the right. It's a non-stop barrage of abuse directed at moderate Republicans, and non-stop pandering to the far right religious fanatics like Mike Huckabee.

Point of inquiry: Didn't the GOP also reorganize thirty-two years ago?

59 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:25:30pm

re: #54 pink freud

He was a Democrat when he ran against Clinton for Governor in 1982.

/sounds like just another principled politician ....

Hendren?

60 callahan23  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:25:32pm

{DEZes}
{Gus 802}

61 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:25:40pm

This is cool:

Stand By Me

62 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:25:41pm

re: #54 pink freud

He was a Democrat when he ran against Clinton for Governor in 1982.

/sounds like just another principled politician ....

* * * *
Wow. Just wow.

63 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:26:05pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Hendren?

Yep.

64 ironbill  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:27:09pm

To echo Jamie:

As a resident of New York, we tend to think of our senator only in terms of what a moron he is.

In NY, the only time we reference Schumer and faith is when we say "Dear God, what did we do to deserve this idiot?"

To my socially conservative friends from Arkansas: If you refer to someone as "the Jew" the timing chain in your brain is off a link.

65 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:27:37pm

re: #63 pink freud

Yep.

Thanks. Yep, there it is in print and in the video.

66 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:28:06pm
67 Ojoe  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:28:13pm

re: #49 Flyers1974

Limited government, strong defense, encouraging individual responsibility, investment in technology and infrastructure, enforce the laws on the books, balance the budget and no one group gets special privileges.

68 pegcity  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:28:39pm

re: #64 ironbill

yeah he could have called him Schmuck Schumer and i would have been totally fine.

69 gtrs  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:28:59pm

mentioning any opponent's religion is simply bad form; throwing the mormon card at romney, the southern baptist card at "the huck", it is bad form in all cases; AND, it is also bad politics; GO MAGIC!

70 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:29:32pm

test

71 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:29:45pm
72 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:30:01pm

re: #47 Charles

That's just pathetic. He wants to go back to the values he saw on the Andy Griffith Show.

Call on the clue phone: that was fiction. Mayberry was not a real place.

I grew up spending summers in Mayberry. In the real Mayberry, Barney Fife is the sheriff, Andy is on the dole, Aunt Bee is into laudanum, Gomer and Goober run a pot farm up in the hills, Floyd has some stuff buried under his crawlspace that would be of interest to Hannibal Lecter, and Otis died seven years back in a snowdrift.

73 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:30:11pm

Well, this isn't surprising. Democrats are getting antsy about Afghanistan and getting cold feet about supporting the war effort there (and Iraq).

The vote for additional funding for the wars passed the House, mostly thanks to the GOP, who supported the efforts.

74 Flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:30:14pm

re: #62 alegrias

* * * *
Wow. Just wow.

Didn't a lot of southern democrats turn GOP in the early 1980's?

75 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:31:25pm
76 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:31:43pm

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

test

Are you expecting Maisey to answer you?

(-:

77 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:32:02pm

re: #46 Alouette

Kim Hendren that asshole.

/I know, it's not fair to smear all assholes.

Alouette - previous thread - the book was "Survival of the Fittest", J Kellerman

78 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:32:03pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder

I grew up spending summers in Mayberry. In the real Mayberry, Barney Fife is the sheriff, Andy is on the dole, Aunt Bee is into laudanum, Gomer and Goober run a pot farm up in the hills, Floyd has some stuff buried under his crawlspace that would be of interest to Hannibal Lecter, and Otis died seven years back in a snowdrift.

Youtube Video
79 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:32:33pm

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

test

WHAT?!?

80 Gearhead  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:32:35pm

That hillbilly.

Those of us who put in lots of long hours (at volunteer rates) don't appreciate people like Hendren who says stupid crap like this.

81 livefreeor die  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:32:49pm

re: #75 Iron Fist

I'd have used the term "cocksucker" or "motherfucker" although to my knowledge Schumer is neither gay, no has he had sexual relations with his mother. Then again, has he denied...

If you're not sure, "asswipe" is a good substitute.

82 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:32:58pm

I'm watching Sean Hannity's show for the first time in a long time -- and noticing the non-stop red/white/blue/stars/flags graphics that run behind him. He's gone full-time jingo.

83 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:33:08pm

re: #77 reine.de.tout

Alouette - previous thread - the book was "Survival of the Fittest", J Kellerman

Right! Thanks. That's an oldie.

84 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:33:15pm
85 Flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:33:36pm

re: #71 taxfreekiller

So, how are the Kos Kid of the Kook Kult taking the Obama flip flop on the photo op the ACLU had up and ready?

bet their hate America spirit is all lathered up.....

mad bunch of mommy's boys , crying over being two timed by the big O hole uh?

I'm taking it pretty hard, myself and getting in hate america mode. The "O-hole" thing is pretty funny though, I have to admit.

86 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:34:11pm

re: #47 Charles

That's just pathetic. He wants to go back to the values he saw on the Andy Griffith Show.

Call on the clue phone: that was fiction. Mayberry was not a real place.

And Obama wants the US military to be like Barney Fife. One bullet that is kept in a pocket somewhere.

87 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:34:21pm
88 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #82 Charles

His sound effects and "lib speak" gimmicks are idiotic. This sort of self-indulgence is going to damage any message he wants to deliver.

89 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:34:58pm

re: #87 taxfreekiller

full time jingo and happy face adds got Obama elected Pres.

0bama doesn't give pat buchanan a platform.

90 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:35:13pm
91 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:35:16pm

re: #54 pink freud

He was a Democrat when he ran against Clinton for Governor in 1982.

/sounds like just another principled politician ....

Correct. That Democrat.

Republicans, who aren’t rushing to support his candidacy, point out that his voting record on economic issues isn’t so conservative. Since coming back to the state Senate, he has consistently voted for tax increases and new government spending.

92 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:35:20pm

re: #88 jaunte

His sound effects and "lib speak" gimmicks are idiotic. This sort of self-indulgence is going to damage any message he wants to deliver.

But he's laughing all the way to the bank.

93 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:35:45pm

re: #68 pegcity

yeah he could have called him Schmuck Schumer and i would have been totally fine.

yeah, he should have just called him by his name.

94 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:36:09pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

Sean Barnum and Glenn Bailey.

95 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:36:11pm

re: #82 Charles

I'm watching Sean Hannity's show for the first time in a long time -- and noticing the non-stop red/white/blue/stars/flags graphics that run behind him. He's gone full-time jingo.

All you need to watch is one Hannity show per month. He repeats himself over and over and over.

96 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:36:35pm

re: #94 jaunte

Watch the birdie.

97 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:37:00pm
98 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:37:13pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

"This way to the Egret."

99 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #82 Charles

I'm watching Sean Hannity's show for the first time in a long time -- and noticing the non-stop red/white/blue/stars/flags graphics that run behind him. He's gone full-time jingo.

these people have a way over inflated sense of importance..the danger is that they may be right about themselves...in effect they are advising the GOP in an oblique way

100 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:38:13pm

re: #82 Charles

Michael Steele.

/Schumer is a craven, conniving scumbag, but it has nothing to do with his religion

101 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:38:21pm
102 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:38:49pm

re: #84 taxfreekiller

Schummer:

A lawyer that is as useless as big old honker tits on a bore hog.

You would know about bore hogs, wouldn't you, TFK?

103 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:39:16pm
104 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:39:19pm

This isn't about the mess in the neighbor's yard. This is about the mess in our yard.

105 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:39:56pm
106 kynna  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:40:33pm

It was a slip. Which means it was a window to the truth.

Out, damn spot!

107 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:40:39pm
108 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:40:50pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

You would know about bore hogs, wouldn't you, TFK?

spelling monitors are a boar.

109 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:41:11pm

re: #105 taxfreekiller

mis-direction, and changing the subject

There is a new tax law about that..I'm calling the IRS on you!
*wink*

110 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:41:26pm
111 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:42:26pm
112 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:43:36pm

re: #86 Kosh's Shadow

And Obama wants the US military to be like Barney Fife. One bullet that is kept in a pocket somewhere.

Right. And Robert Gates is merrily betraying the military and the country for a government paycheck.

Take a look at this bridge over here...you might be interested.

113 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:43:57pm

re: #100 Killian Bundy

Michael Steele.

/Schumer is a craven, conniving scumbag, but it has nothing to do with his religion

They put me on the Michael Steel mailing list without asking for my permission, and here's the email address:

Steel, Michael <Michael.Steel -at- mail.house.gov>

You tell me which spelling I'm supposed to use, when his own office can't seem to get it right, and doesn't notice for months.

114 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:44:04pm
115 researchok  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:44:24pm

re: #82 Charles

I can't watch the guy. He's become a caricature. It's hard to decide who is a bigger idiot- Hannity or Beck. I'm still on the fence, so I'm still going with Coulter.

116 wily  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:44:27pm

Just finished watching Hannity's segment on atheism. What exactly is the "Great Atheist Conspiracy"? I heard no mention of it, nor any accusation of a conspiracy. I heard Hannity and Bernie Goldberg report that the New York Times and other media outlets tend to give prominence to stories about atheism while ignoring or disrespecting religious stories. Their arguments made sense.

117 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:45:44pm

I don't really like Jew hating, racist, morality pushers. I think people like this should be quickly kicked to the curb. They are welcome to join a party of Jew hating racists trying to push their ideals off on others and see how far that takes them, but I don't really want them hitching their wagons to this party. Pundits who promote such people should be fringe, not prime time tv. This is just disgusting.

118 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:45:57pm

once i said "loan voice" describing someone like cheney or john bolton or VDH or mark steyn.
i don't know why i did that. i wasn't late on a payment or anything.
just happens.

119 mfarmer1  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:46:40pm

Uh oh...here comes the atheist conspiracy crap on Hannity.

Forced at gunpoint, I'll take that agenda over the 6000 year old Earth bunch in a heartbeat.

Please GOP....shut up shut up shut up with the religious crap and shrink government, cut taxes, expand free enterprise, keep our nation safe and secure our freedoms. That's more than enough to keep you busy!

I used to scoff at the left's insistence that the right had been taken over by the Little Baby Jesus Party, but it's starting to look that way.

120 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:46:53pm

re: #115 researchok

I can't watch the guy. He's become a caricature. It's hard to decide who is a bigger idiot- Hannity or Beck. I'm still on the fence, so I'm still going with Coulter.

Hi Ballin Beck in front by a length...
Hannity's Curse moving up along the rail...

121 researchok  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:46:54pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

You talkin' about the leftie dems again?

122 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:00pm

re: #103 taxfreekiller

Cato your old.

My old what, TFK?

123 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:04pm
124 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #116 wily

Sarcasm is a learned skill.

125 gtrs  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:41pm

MAGIC! MAGIC! MAGIC!

126 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:43pm

From Powerline:

Pelosi has now opened the lid on a box that she will not be able to close. The CIA has no choice but to defend itself by demonstrating that she, not the Agency, is lying. Possibly Leon Panetta can save her, but at the moment, it is hard to see how this affair can end with Pelosi remaining as Speaker of the House.

UPDATE: Glenn Reynolds is running a poll on who's lying, Nancy Pelosi or the CIA. The results so far: 96% say Pelosi is lying, 1% say the CIA.

Watching with great interest. How delicious to see her go down.

127 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:47pm

re: #108 nyc redneck

spelling monitors are a boar.

So are illiterates.

128 researchok  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:51pm

re: #120 albusteve

..and Coulter's up by a tail...

129 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:47:56pm
130 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:08pm

Unfortunately, the GOP is looking at a looongg time to get back to where it was -- a generation in the wilderness.

We, as Americans, will have to RE-learn that we can do it ourselves. But for the next -- oh say, 15 years -- we are going to experiment with letting the US Government do it: health care, finance, auto manufacturing, etc.

And a declining social mood, to boot.

I miss Ronald Reagan.

Gipper: WE NEED YOU NOW!

.

131 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:15pm

re: #121 researchok

You talkin' about the leftie dems again?

It's not exclusive to the left, you know.

132 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:19pm

George Galloway gets pwned.

"We're laughing at you George."

133 gtrs  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:38pm

and did i say MAGIC!

134 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:52pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

I don't really like Jew hating, racist, morality pushers. I think people like this should be quickly kicked to the curb. They are welcome to join a party of Jew hating racists trying to push their ideals off on others and see how far that takes them, but I don't really want them hitching their wagons to this party. Pundits who promote such people should be fringe, not prime time tv. This is just disgusting.


and as this behavior settles comfortably into the norm...the envelope is quietly pushed further and further out there toward the edge

135 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:55pm

re: #125 gtrs

MAGIC! MAGIC! MAGIC!

Call 911! Game 7 Sunday night!
Wow!

136 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:48:59pm

re: #127 Cato the Elder

So are illiterates.

no they're not.

137 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:49:01pm

re: #116 wily

Just finished watching Hannity's segment on atheism. What exactly is the "Great Atheist Conspiracy"? I heard no mention of it, nor any accusation of a conspiracy. I heard Hannity and Bernie Goldberg report that the New York Times and other media outlets tend to give prominence to stories about atheism while ignoring or disrespecting religious stories. Their arguments made sense.

My take? Hannity and Beck don't want what few atheists that have popped up in the media to have a voice. The basic message from these two is that they want to silence any minority opinions that opposes their limited world view. This is odd considering how successful the two are in attracting their very own substantial audience which outnumbers atheists by a factor reaching into the 10000s.

The only conspiracy that Hannity and Beck really see are the ones inside there own rather small craniums.

138 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:49:06pm

re: #116 wily
Fox news finds atheism stories a reliable crowd pleaser.

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: theperplexedobserver.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.myfoxhouston.com...]

139 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:49:19pm

re: #113 Charles

They put me on the Michael Steel mailing list without asking for my permission, and here's the email address:

Steel, Michael <Michael.Steel -at- mail.house.gov>

You tell me which spelling I'm supposed to use, when his own office can't seem to get it right, and doesn't notice for months.

* * * *
Michael Steele is not at the House, nor working for the state of Maryland anymore. Mr. Steele was never elected to the House of Representatives.

He is head of the RNC which has their own NON-governmental website.

140 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #123 Iron Fist

Assclown is a close second....

A use along the lines of:

Nancy Pelosi is a lying assclown for her nonsensical ravings on the CIA and waterboarding.

141 researchok  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:49:50pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

It's not exclusive to the left, you know.

I know, but every once in a while a cheap shot feels good.

142 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:49:59pm

re: #113 Charles

They put me on the Michael Steel mailing list without asking for my permission, and here's the email address:

Steel, Michael <Michael.Steel -at- mail.house.gov>

You tell me which spelling I'm supposed to use, when his own office can't seem to get it right, and doesn't notice for months.

/okay, just trying to help, didn't want you to get accused of a misspelling, that explanation might be worthwhile to point out in the post, although it's actually funnier letting them see if they can ever figure it out for themselves

143 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:50:28pm

The GOP deserves a very long time in the wilderness if this is the sort of person we've got representing us.

Though, the more I think about this, the more I am disturbed because it represents further main-streaming of Jew-hatred.

I used to think that was limited to an ignorant backwater; over the past few years, I'm not so sure.

144 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:50:37pm
145 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:50:45pm

re: #82 Charles

I'm watching Sean Hannity's show for the first time in a long time -- and noticing the non-stop red/white/blue/stars/flags graphics that run behind him. He's gone full-time jingo.

* * * * *
Did you see the FOUR US Flags behind Speaker Pelosi today, when she gave her "I am not a crook" equivalent speech?

Talk about flag waving hypocrite.

146 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:51:05pm
147 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:51:08pm

sean vanity recently had pamela as a guest. So, it is possible to go from no credibility to negative. Just sayin'.

148 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:51:09pm

re: #135 HoosierHoops

Call 911! Game 7 Sunday night!
Wow!

Too bad Orlando pissed away game 5.

149 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:51:47pm

re: #148 solomonpanting

Too bad Orlando pissed away game 5.

Don't feel bad. I'm a Rockets fan.

Yeah.

150 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:51:47pm
151 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:52:16pm

re: #139 alegrias

* * * *
Michael Steele is not at the House, nor working for the state of Maryland anymore. Mr. Steele was never elected to the House of Representatives.

He is head of the RNC which has their own NON-governmental website.

Well, somebody is sending me these emails -- 294 since January -- and they are very obviously intended to promote the GOP. If Steele isn't responsible, there seems to be a problem here.

152 TedStriker  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:52:46pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, the story of Panderer's Box.

Buzz, you in show business? Because if you not, you should be, o' master of pun and song...

;-P

153 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:52:50pm

re: #145 alegrias

* * * * *
Did you see the FOUR US Flags behind Speaker Pelosi today, when she gave her "I am not a crook" equivalent speech?

Talk about flag waving hypocrite.


and praised the whole intel community for their fine work and sacrifice...I wanted to hurl

154 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:53:21pm

re: #144 taxfreekiller

Careful of the down with Nancy, tfk knows she is dumb and evil, thing is
she was driving the truck and Obama was just along for the ride,,,

with her out of the way he will appoint some total todie
a real danger this...IMO

Wouldn't the House elect a new Speaker if she were removed?

155 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:53:25pm
156 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:53:55pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

0bama doesn't give pat buchanan a platform.

* * * *
You're right, Pat Buchanan should be wherever Reverend Jeremiah Wright went, under the bus.

157 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:54:09pm
158 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:54:34pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, the story of Panderer's Box.

For the first time I saw fear in her face when she ran from the reporters. She couldn't maintain the arrogance and superiority.

159 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:54:37pm

The Coming Ice Age

For ninety percent of the last million years, the normal state of the Earth's climate has been an ice age. Ice ages last about 100,000 years, and are punctuated by short periods of warm climate, or interglacials.

The last ice age started about 114,000 years ago. It began instantaneously. For a hundred-thousand years, temperatures fell and sheets of ice a mile thick grew to envelop much of North America, Europe and Asia. The ice age ended nearly as abruptly as it began. Between about 12,000 and 10,000 years ago, the temperature in Greenland rose more than 50 °F.

In northern Europe, the Little Ice Age kicked off with the Great Famine of 1315. Crops failed due to cold temperatures and incessant rain. Desperate and starving, parents ate their children, and people dug up corpses from graves for food. In jails, inmates instantly set upon new prisoners and ate them alive.

The Great Famine was followed by the Black Death, the greatest disaster ever to hit the human race. One-third of the human race died; terror and anarchy prevailed. Human civilization as we know it is only possible in a warm interglacial climate. Short of a catastrophic asteroid impact, the greatest threat to the human race is the onset of another ice age.

160 directorblue  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:54:57pm

There are some fairly prominent Jewish GOPs in the House (e.g., Cantor), so this putz is just a redneck. There's no shortage of anti-semites on the left, that much is certain.

161 livefreeor die  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:05pm

re: #145 alegrias

* * * * *
Did you see the FOUR US Flags behind Speaker Pelosi today, when she gave her "I am not a crook" equivalent speech?

Talk about flag waving hypocrite.

I'm surprised she didn't turn around and set them on fire.

162 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:10pm
163 pegcity  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:12pm

re: #151 Charles

yeah i get them all the time also

164 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:14pm

re: #149 Zimriel

Don't feel bad. I'm a Rockets fan.

Yeah.

Your team has played very well and if they had Yao and McGrady, there's no telling what might have been.

165 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:19pm

Obama says U.S. can't keep borrowing from China

President Barack Obama raised the prospect on Thursday that China and other nations could stop buying U.S. debt and said the United States needed to tackle its deficit to avoid long-term economic damage.

"The long-term deficit and debt that we have accumulated is unsustainable. We can't keep on just borrowing from China or borrowing from other countries," Obama told a town hall meeting event in New Mexico.

"We have to pay interest on that debt and that means that we're mortgaging our children's future with more and more debt," he said.

China is the single largest holder of U.S. debt and owned $744 billion worth of U.S. government securities at the end of February, the latest month for which data is available, according to the U.S. Treasury.

Obama said the debt situation would create greater economic problems if foreign countries like China lost their appetite for U.S. treasuries.

"What's also true is at some point they're just going to get tired of buying our debt," he said.

"And when that happens, we will really have to raise interest rates to be able to borrow and that will raise interest rates for everybody."

The White House estimated earlier this week the U.S. budget deficit will be $1.84 trillion for the fiscal year that ends September 30.

/stunning stupidly arrogant or laying the groundwork for the mother of all tax increases (because, there's no way they're giving up on the astrinomical spending)?

166 kansas  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:33pm

A Republican state lawmaker hoping for his party's nod to run for Senate reportedly referred to Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer as "that Jew" during a recent appearance before a Republican group.

Probably angling for the Muslim vote./

167 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #151 Charles

Someone is clearly spoofing, because Steele isn't, and has never been, a member of the House, and shouldn't be sending emails via the House.gov domain.

It's fishy alright, and who is behind it? Beats me without seeing the header (and even then, someone is probably playing games).

168 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:35pm

re: #126 pink freud

From Powerline:

Pelosi has now opened the lid on a box that she will not be able to close. The CIA has no choice but to defend itself by demonstrating that she, not the Agency, is lying. Possibly Leon Panetta can save her, but at the moment, it is hard to see how this affair can end with Pelosi remaining as Speaker of the House.

UPDATE: Glenn Reynolds is running a poll on who's lying, Nancy Pelosi or the CIA. The results so far: 96% say Pelosi is lying, 1% say the CIA.

Watching with great interest. How delicious to see her go down.

i hope she keeps talking. it's incredible how she could be on top of the world
one minute and now free falling. it's because she is a coward.

169 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:55:38pm
170 TedStriker  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:56:45pm

re: #158 pink freud

For the first time I saw fear in her face when she ran from the reporters. She couldn't maintain the arrogance and superiority.

At that moment, I'd have to say to Pelosi, "How 'bout dem apples!" and laugh uncontrollably.

171 kansas  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:57:11pm

re: #156 alegrias

* * * *
You're right, Pat Buchanan should be wherever Reverend Jeremiah Wright went, under the bus.

Pretty sure Wright is on the bus. Sounded like he had some input into Obama's ASU speech.

172 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:57:11pm
173 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:57:23pm

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

I missed that, alas.

I am, however, truly impressed that her ravaged pan was able to register fear.

she definately reeked of fear...bigtime...it was quite a sight imo

174 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:57:31pm

re: #116 wily

JI heard Hannity and Bernie Goldberg report that the New York Times and other media outlets tend to give prominence to stories about atheism while ignoring or disrespecting religious stories. Their arguments made sense.

NY times does plenty on religion, there's not an Atheism section ...

[Link: topics.nytimes.com...]

He doesn't like the NYT's focus on scandal in the Catholic Church during past years, perhaps he counts those as articles about atheism? The average person would not

175 researchok  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

The dems need to be careful what they wish for. Rendition and enhanced interrogation were first put to use on a more than regular basis during the Clinton administration.

The dems can investigate away, but the game didn't start in the 5th inning.

176 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:57:41pm
177 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #143 Dianna

The GOP deserves a very long time in the wilderness if this is the sort of person we've got representing us.

Though, the more I think about this, the more I am disturbed because it represents further main-streaming of Jew-hatred.

I used to think that was limited to an ignorant backwater; over the past few years, I'm not so sure.

yes, it's ugly. shameful.

178 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:58:23pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Well, they did spend only a fraction of that trillion dollars (maybe less than 10%). They could say never mind, but that would so piss everyone off. It's a no win situation, and the taxpayer loses under every scenario.

179 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:58:25pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Obama says U.S. can't keep borrowing from China


/stunning stupidly arrogant or laying the groundwork for the mother of all tax increases (because, there's no way they're giving up on the astrinomical spending)?

What? Does Obama think there's a limit to borrowing from China's Capitalism One Card?

180 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:58:36pm

Has the lying shit-head hauled out that other old saw: "Some of my best friends are Jews"?
Why do people in general have so much difficulty apologizing in a straightforward manner?

181 livefreeor die  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:58:42pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Obama says U.S. can't keep borrowing from China

President Barack Obama raised the prospect on Thursday that China and other nations could stop buying U.S. debt and said the United States needed to tackle its deficit to avoid long-term economic damage.

/stunning stupidly arrogant or laying the groundwork for the mother of all tax increases (because, there's no way they're giving up on the astrinomical spending)?

Um, Mr. Obama, just exactly who ran up the deficit?
Freaking hypocrite.

182 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:58:52pm

re: #119 mfarmer1

Uh oh...here comes the atheist conspiracy crap on Hannity.

Forced at gunpoint, I'll take that agenda over the 6000 year old Earth bunch in a heartbeat.

Please GOP....shut up shut up shut up with the religious crap and shrink government, cut taxes, expand free enterprise, keep our nation safe and secure our freedoms. That's more than enough to keep you busy!

I used to scoff at the left's insistence that the right had been taken over by the Little Baby Jesus Party, but it's starting to look that way.

* * * * *
NEWSFLASH

Sean Hannity is a tv entertainer, not a GOP person, but a self-described conservative.
Hannity is not an elected official of anything nor any party.

Please direct your leadership questions to an elected official of some kind, not to a tv personality and syndicated business person.

183 Wily  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:59:48pm

re: #137 Gus 802

My take? Hannity and Beck don't want what few atheists that have popped up in the media to have a voice. The basic message from these two is that they want to silence any minority opinions that opposes their limited world view. This is odd considering how successful the two are in attracting their very own substantial audience which outnumbers atheists by a factor reaching into the 10000s.

The only conspiracy that Hannity and Beck really see are the ones inside there own rather small craniums.

Is that a fair characterization of Hannity and Beck? I admit I don't watch them very often, but are they really trying to silence anyone? I'm not a Christian, but I really do sense an anti-Christian bias in the media. I recall a story in Mark Steyn column about the NYT. The NYT refused to publish the Danish Mohammed cartoons on the grounds that they did not want to insult Islam. A few days later, to illustrate what kind of images might be insulting to religion, they published a picture of a sculpture of the Virgin Mary made out of elephant dung. Is it so outrageous to expose this bias? Are they really trying to silence anyone? From what little I've seen, they both seem to be defenders of the 1st Amendment.

184 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:59:53pm

The financial debacle killed the GOP.

The IB's take 100's of $Billions of taxpayer money, bail themsleves out, and pay their people half a $million bonuses on top of a $250K salary.

When they get push back, the leadership of Goldman, Morgan, Merrill, and dozens of others look at you -- open mouthed -- and say: "What'd you think, we earned that money...?"

They don't get it, and it's going to take years to learn it: mid level bankers do not deserve to live in Scarsdale, NY in 8 bedroom houses, pay 75K in property taxes, vacation at Vail and Grenoble, etc.

It's just over. And the GOP has been tagged with the blame.

.

185 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 6:59:58pm

It's like a drinking establishment. If you have too many weirdos in your bar, you're not going to attract customers. They'll go to the other bar down the street or drink at home. They might even occasionally check out an upstart, trendy bar.

186 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:00:11pm

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

I missed that, alas.

I am, however, truly impressed that her ravaged pan was able to register fear.

CSPAN has it, albeit 24 minutes long. I've seen it several times on tv already ...but, if you let it load until the last few minutes, that's where the money shots would be as she flees (yes, flees) from the mob of reporters.

187 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:00:36pm

re: #159 Racer X

The Coming Ice Age

Wow, the has to be a crazy piece even for David Deming. He actually suggests Obama can bring on the ice age.

188 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:00:40pm

re: #174 Thanos

NY times does plenty on religion, there's not an Atheism section ...

[Link: topics.nytimes.com...]

He doesn't like the NYT's focus on scandal in the Catholic Church during past years, perhaps he counts those as articles about atheism? The average person would not

Here's a simple test using Google and the NY Times.

Ahteist + NY Times = 13,900 hits.

Catholic + NY Times = 1,420,000 hits.

I believe that's a difference of 10,115.827% in favor of Catholic.

189 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:00:41pm

re: #167 lawhawk

I've not seen that email used before. You know. When I was responded too. Before I pointed out problems. If you are reading this, you know that it is YOU I am looking at. (Not you, lawhawk).

/trying my hand at tfkese. Just don't have the finesse he does - he is art and that isn't sarcasm.

190 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:00:59pm

re: #182 alegrias

people look to him for leadership...talking hair is taking over politics

191 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:01:12pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Obama says U.S. can't keep borrowing from China


/stunning stupidly arrogant or laying the groundwork for the mother of all tax increases (because, there's no way they're giving up on the astrinomical spending)?

That's what's coming: taxes, linked with maybe a few billion in promised spending "cuts" that involve slowing the rate of increase in various programmes.

And why not? The Americans who pay for it all aren't the Americans who voted for it.

192 livefreeor die  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:01:47pm

re: #186 pink freud

CSPAN has it, albeit 24 minutes long. I've seen it several times on tv already ...but, if you let it load until the last few minutes, that's where the money shots would be as she flees (yes, flees) from the mob of reporters.

"Brave Nancy ran away.
Bravely ran away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
she bravely turned around and fled."

193 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:01:55pm
194 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #187 avanti

Wow, the has to be a crazy piece even for David Deming. He actually suggests Obama can bring on the ice age.

What's funnier is that Obama actually thinks he can reverse Global Warming™.

195 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:02:32pm

re: #165 Killian Bundy

Good news, President Obama. I just put an offer in on a house and I'm well on my way to being $1Mil in debt. A microcosm of the government, I am.

/please, cross your fingers, pray, light candles, send wishes, whatever it takes to get that house in Maryland sold like yesterday.

196 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:02:42pm

re: #191 Zimriel

That's what's coming: taxes, linked with maybe a few billion in promised spending "cuts" that involve slowing the rate of increase in various programmes.

And why not? The Americans who pay for it all aren't the Americans who voted for it.

Do you mean that those who voted for Obama don't pay taxes?

197 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:03:08pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Someone is clearly spoofing, because Steele isn't, and has never been, a member of the House, and shouldn't be sending emails via the House.gov domain.

It's fishy alright, and who is behind it? Beats me without seeing the header (and even then, someone is probably playing games).

It smells phishy to me.

198 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:03:15pm

re: #187 avanti

Wow, the has to be a crazy piece even for David Deming. He actually suggests Obama can bring on the ice age.

Avanti, you promised, right here, on LGF's, that you would run away for two whole days. Now son, what are you doing back so soon?

199 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:03:31pm
200 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #195 ArmyWife

Good news, President Obama. I just put an offer in on a house and I'm well on my way to being $1Mil in debt. A microcosm of the government, I am.

/please, cross your fingers, pray, light candles, send wishes, whatever it takes to get that house in Maryland sold like yesterday.


put it on your Master Card...you might be a winner!

201 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:04:31pm
202 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:04:40pm
203 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:04:41pm

re: #200 albusteve

I'm a winner allright. ;)

204 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:05:07pm

re: #151 Charles

Well, somebody is sending me these emails -- 294 since January -- and they are very obviously intended to promote the GOP. If Steele isn't responsible, there seems to be a problem here.

I would say so.

I'm on the RNC mailing list, and that's not the addy I've seen.

Granted, I tend to delete them, so I'll have to look to see if I've got one around. That's odd.

205 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:05:12pm
206 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:05:12pm

re: #202 Iron Fist

A good bar has some color. I'd rather drink at a biker-friendly establishment, with a few Outlaws, Southern Sons, Peacemakers, or what have you, than some yuppie establishment where everyone is wearing the same school tie.

We have enough color without bigots.

207 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:05:16pm

re: #195 ArmyWife

Congratulations! Nice to know you will be back in a home filled with your family. :-)

(I don't like thinking of you in an apartment far from them.)

208 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:05:26pm

re: #194 Racer X

What's funnier is that Obama actually thinks he can reverse Global Warming™.

Now that he can't do, the most he could do it start a decades long process to slow it down.Without more study, I'm not even sure we can do that.

209 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:09pm

re: #195 ArmyWife

Good luck - I'm a firm believer in owning the wall you have your back to.

210 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:11pm

re: #208 avanti

Now that he can't do, the most he could do it start a decades long process to slow it down.Without more study, I'm not even sure we can do that.

Oh my goodness, we are all going to die.

211 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:20pm

Now I lay me down to sleep..
I pray the Lakers go down in defeat
If I die before I awake
May Kobe spend his night on the Twit..

212 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:23pm

re: #151 Charles

Well, somebody is sending me these emails -- 294 since January -- and they are very obviously intended to promote the GOP. If Steele isn't responsible, there seems to be a problem here.

* * * * *
Steele's job is NOT a government job, so whoever's using a government email address from inside the House of Representatives, on his behalf, is stupid, if that is the case.

213 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:24pm

re: #207 pink freud

Thank you. And really, who needs electricity when there are romantic candles, right?

214 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:37pm

That's funny. When I want to refer to someone by a really insulting term, I refer to them as a Schumer. That's only when I don't hate them enough to refer to them as a Pelosi or a Reid.

215 Gang of One  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:06:53pm

re: #48 Zimriel

Re, Pam: which synagogue does she run, exactly?

And when did she become Chief Rabbi?

216 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:04pm

re: #208 avanti

Now that he can't do, the most he could do it start a decades long process to slow it down.Without more study, I'm not even sure we can do that.

the point is he thinks he can and he want's to try...to hell with the rest of humanity...he's a crackpot

217 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:09pm

re: #213 ArmyWife

Thank you. And really, who needs electricity when there are romantic candles, right?

Did you pick the one on the water with the dock?

218 Zimriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:16pm

re: #196 flyers1974

Do you mean that those who voted for Obama don't pay taxes?

I think that if all those citizens who receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes, had stayed home on Election Day, then McCain would have won.

219 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:25pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

Now I lay me down to sleep..
I pray the Lakers go down in defeat
If I die before I awake
May Kobe spend his night on the Twit..

Hey! My mom likes the Lakers! Go easy, there!

220 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:31pm
221 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:40pm

re: #194 Racer X

What's funnier is that Obama actually thinks he can reverse Global Warming™.

Sure he can reverse global warming. He just stops emitting methane from his oral factory. Then we can all be thankful that the One has saved us again.

222 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:46pm

How long before Fox starts giving favorable interviews to Phelps and others?

Trying to paint Christians as a persecuted minority in this country is patently false and politically stupid. The facts belie the argument.

223 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:57pm

re: #219 Dianna

Hey! My mom likes the Lakers! Go easy, there!

Oh, I didn't know Kobe Bryant was still playing, btw.

224 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:07:59pm

re: #212 alegrias

* * * * *
Steele's job is NOT a government job, so whoever's using a government email address from inside the House of Representatives, on his behalf, is stupid, if that is the case.

These emails are definitely coming from a house.gov address. No doubt about that. Believe it or not, I know how to check these things.

225 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:00pm

re: #204 Dianna

I would say so.

I'm on the RNC mailing list, and that's not the addy I've seen.

Granted, I tend to delete them, so I'll have to look to see if I've got one around. That's odd.

I get stuff from Michael Steel, ecampaign at gop.com
I tend to keep email I should delete, which is why an email backup runs 4 GB, and goes back 10 years.

226 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:19pm

re: #181 livefreeor die

Um, Mr. Obama, just exactly who ran up the deficit?
Freaking hypocrite.

We seem to have a slight problem...another "crisis" if you will.

Can you imagine that?

227 mfarmer1  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:24pm

re: #182 alegrias

Hannity is the biggest cheerleader out there right now for the GOP.

You're right. I should have directed this at the new fresh face of the GOP, Mr. Exorcism, Bobby Jindal.

The problem is that if I brought this up to an actual GOP elected official nowadays, I'd probably end up at Bible camp followed up by a janitorial stint at the Discovery Institute.

Never mind. There's no problem here whatsoever. My imagination. Sorry.

228 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:25pm

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, you promised, right here, on LGF's, that you would run away for two whole days. Now son, what are you doing back so soon?

Walter, I will not waste my time or yours in a grade school pissing contest. I'll ignore you, but you can do as you like.

229 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:36pm

re: #212 alegrias

* * * * *
Steele's job is NOT a government job, so whoever's using a government email address from inside the House of Representatives, on his behalf, is stupid, if that is the case.

Fauxmail.

230 Mr Spiffy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:38pm

Some of my best friends are... uh... never mind

231 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:48pm

re: #161 livefreeor die

I'm surprised she didn't turn around and set them on fire.

* * * * *
In a sense, Nancy Pelosi has "fired a shot" at the CIA, and started a war with the CIA she can't win.

As someone says on the Weekly Standard's blog today, the CIA tried to take down the Bush Administration, they can take down Nancy Pelosi!

232 kansas  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:08:53pm

re: #218 Zimriel

I think that if all those citizens who receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes, had stayed home on Election Day, then McCain would have won.

They'll never stay home on election day again.

233 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:09:08pm

re: #230 Mr Spiffy

Some of my best friends are... uh... never mind

Some of my best friends are OTHER people.

234 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:09:20pm

re: #217 pink freud

Its on a small lake (pond, really), but not the dock one. It's new construction. Its really pretty - wide planked wood floors, the upstairs bath looks lke a spa. Check your email in a second.

235 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:09:24pm

re: #208 avanti

Now that he can't do, the most he could do it start a decades long process to slow it down.Without more study, I'm not even sure we can do that.

Thanks for making the point.

If in fact AGW is real, no one knows for sure what exactly to do about it. Screw it up and there could be catastrophic consequences.

Yes?

236 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:09:26pm

re: #224 Charles

These emails are definitely coming from a house.gov address. No doubt about that. Believe it or not, I know how to check these things.

I don't doubt you - I'm wondering what the heck is going on. It sounds off, somehow.

237 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:09:49pm

re: #233 Buster Bunny

Some of my best friends are OTHER people.

And not at all imaginary?

238 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:10:31pm

re: #237 Dianna

And not at all imaginary?

Noooo Pinocchio .. he's a real boy.

239 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:10:32pm

re: #224 Charles

There is a Michael Steel working in the House. He's the Press Secretary for the GOP leadership.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:10:50pm

re: #224 Charles

These emails are definitely coming from a house.gov address. No doubt about that. Believe it or not, I know how to check these things.

And the ones I get that say Michael Steele, RNC chairman, come from gop.com; I've checked the headers (although I haven't tried a DNS lookup)

241 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:11:04pm

re: #233 Buster Bunny

Some of my best friends are OTHER people.

How I wish I could say the same.

242 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:11:07pm

re: #225 Kosh's Shadow

I get stuff from Michael Steel, ecampaign at gop.com
I tend to keep email I should delete, which is why an email backup runs 4 GB, and goes back 10 years.

Ah, that looks right!

You are an archivist's dream!

243 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:11:26pm

re: #166 kansas

A Republican state lawmaker hoping for his party's nod to run for Senate reportedly referred to Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer as "that Jew" during a recent appearance before a Republican group.

Probably angling for the Muslim vote./

* * * *
It has been fact checked that the idiot was a Democrat who ran against Bill Clinton for governor in 1982.

Hendren is a bi-partisan bigot whose career is OVER.

244 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:11:43pm

re: #238 Buster Bunny

Noooo Pinocchio .. he's a real boy.

But he had to earn it.

245 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:12:06pm

re: #219 Dianna

Hey! My mom likes the Lakers! Go easy, there!

LOL
My mom just loved Shaq...His biggest fan..
regards Diana

246 Gus  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:12:18pm

re: #239 lawhawk

There is a Michael Steel working in the House. He's the Press Secretary for the GOP leadership.

I saw his name mentioned in regards to a comment from Rep. Boehner. I did a double take because of the other Steele.

247 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:12:33pm

Where's the worst place on Earth you can ever be?

/between Chuck E. Cheese Schumer and a television camera

248 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:12:42pm
249 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:12:46pm

re: #235 Racer X

Thanks for making the point.

If in fact AGW is real, no one knows for sure what exactly to do about it. Screw it up and there could be catastrophic consequences.

Yes?

I'll give you the first point, but even if we could reduce CO2 levels by 50% it would take decades to stop the warming trend. To suggest triggering a ice age by cutting CO2 is just nuts.

250 livefreeor die  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #231 alegrias

* * * * *
In a sense, Nancy Pelosi has "fired a shot" at the CIA, and started a war with the CIA she can't win.

As someone says on the Weekly Standard's blog today, the CIA tried to take down the Bush Administration, they can take down Nancy Pelosi!

How long until she plays the "vast right wing conspiracy" card? And will that be before or after she plays the "victim of sexism" card?

251 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:13:05pm

re: #236 Dianna

I don't doubt you - I'm wondering what the heck is going on. It sounds off, somehow.

It simply appears that someone in the white house has set up a email account in his name and is using the white house email server to mail GOP digital material.

I suspect it's a misuse of the white house email server, but, someone is doing it, and probably with full knowledge of others in the party.

252 lawhawk  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:13:10pm

re: #239 lawhawk

Specifically, he's the presser for Boehner.

253 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:13:43pm

re: #239 lawhawk

There is a Michael Steel working in the House. He's the Press Secretary for the GOP leadership.

Good catch! Who knew there was another Michael Steel in Washington. I withdraw my complaint.

But they still put me on their mailing list without my permission, just like all of the GOP politicians have.

254 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:13:58pm

re: #239 lawhawk

There is a Michael Steel working in the House. He's the Press Secretary for the GOP leadership.

There is a group of moderate Republicans that focus around Ways and Means committee. They have a youtube site as well iirc.

255 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:14:30pm

re: #239 lawhawk

There is a Michael Steel working in the House. He's the Press Secretary for the GOP leadership.

Cleared that up.

256 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:14:35pm
257 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:15:11pm

re: #218 Zimriel

I think that if all those citizens who receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes, had stayed home on Election Day, then McCain would have won.

Considering how close the election (and I assume all presidential elections in the near future) was, I can't prove you are wrong. But if the spirit of your post was that the majority of Obama voters are on welfare, bums, hairy hippies, etc..., I think you are greatly overestimating the numbers of these people. The house on my streets that had Obama signs seemed like ordinary people to me.

258 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:15:14pm

re: #239 lawhawk

There is a Michael Steel working in the House. He's the Press Secretary for the GOP leadership.

Just searched my blog.

“This sounds like spending projects that have been supported by a certain powerful Democrat in the past,” said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican.

/confirmed

259 livefreeor die  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:15:40pm

"The botox made me do it."
Nancy Pelosi-2009

260 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:16:02pm

Michael Steel: [Link: www.whorunsgov.com...]

261 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:16:25pm

Major OT---Just got done watching the Red Wings/Ducks game. Hey, Duck fans, it was a great series and I think both sides don't need this downer right now so here's Disney's Hockey Homicide.

Youtube Video
262 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:16:28pm

re: #253 Charles

Last Democratic presidency, some nutter sent me a little blue dress that was very nice and hardly used. But somehow there was a stain on the front. So I sent it back to that nice Lewinsky girl and told her that we dont take dresses with stains on them.

It turned out she was very grateful.

263 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:17:06pm
264 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:17:17pm

Here's that youtube channel for House Ways and Means Republicans:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

265 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:19:14pm

If you arent already aware of it, the .gov websites this current administration have been putting out are FULL of brainwashing stuff. They have covered a wide spectrum of areas they would like to plug government into.

Nuff said.

266 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:19:16pm

re: #243 alegrias

A Republican who was a Democrat in Arkansas in 1982, was probably never very liberal.

267 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:19:40pm

re: #264 Thanos

Here's that youtube channel for House Ways and Means Republicans:

Hell we're quickly on our way to becoming the House Ways and Mean Republicans.

268 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:19:42pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

It simply appears that someone in the white house has set up a email account in his name and is using the white house email server to mail GOP digital material.

I suspect it's a misuse of the white house email server, but, someone is doing it, and probably with full knowledge of others in the party.

Not the White House - simply the House.

269 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:19:42pm

I get a lot of email from the Texas Homeschool Network about what they think should be taught in public school.

270 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:19:47pm

I just reviewed the day's topics and darnnit! I coulda put an offer in on San Quentin! A day late and a dollar short.

271 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #158 pink freud

For the first time I saw fear in her face when she ran from the reporters. She couldn't maintain the arrogance and superiority.

I loved watching her stumble around - esp. when she started talking about when she "knew", and how she was informed of a briefing that took place and what was said, but she herself was not actually briefed. LOL.

272 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:14pm

re: #253 Charles

Good catch! Who knew there was another Michael Steel in Washington. I withdraw my complaint.

But they still put me on their mailing list without my permission, just like all of the GOP politicians have.

Charles, I am afraid that (gulp!) you're a public figure, now. That's why they've included you.

Sorry. But you have rather stuck your head up.

273 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:17pm

re: #257 flyers1974

Considering how close the election (and I assume all presidential elections in the near future) was, I can't prove you are wrong. But if the spirit of your post was that the majority of Obama voters are on welfare, bums, hairy hippies, etc..., I think you are greatly overestimating the numbers of these people. The house on my streets that had Obama signs seemed like ordinary people to me.

Actually, I just read a article on 538.com that shows the GOP is losing the intellectual vote by it's shift the the social right. You can see the trend from the years when the GOP was getting that vote a few years back.

Vote.

274 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:18pm

re: #270 ArmyWife

I just reviewed the day's topics and darnnit! I coulda put an offer in on San Quentin! A day late and a dollar short.

What are you talking about? I called Napa Valley..
What Winery do you want?

275 Mr Spiffy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:21pm

re: #67 Ojoe

276 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:35pm

re: #158 pink freud

For the first time I saw fear in her face when she ran from the reporters. She couldn't maintain the arrogance and superiority.

Botox doesnt hold well to intense scrutiny.

277 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:51pm

re: #269 jaunte

Why did you do that? It will only lead to burned retinas.

They can teach what they want ...at home.

278 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:21:58pm

re: #263 Iron Fist

At one point in time I was on Handgun Control Inc.'s mailing list. I assure you I didn't ask to be.

Eeep!

Sometime, I'll blue my nic, and you can ask me about them.

279 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:22:05pm

re: #222 Thanos

How long before Fox starts giving favorable interviews to Phelps and others?

Trying to paint Christians as a persecuted minority in this country is patently false and politically stupid. The facts belie the argument.

* * * *
That is a scurrilous baseless charge against Fox Corporation.

Intelligent fair people here can distinguish between opinion shows and news shows, of which there are many different ones on the Fox Cable channel, not to mention local Fox news affiliates showing local content.

FOX reporters reported when the odious Phelps family showed up to rant at US military burials.

280 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:22:13pm

re: #271 reine.de.tout

I loved watching her stumble around - esp. when she started talking about when she "knew", and how she was informed of a briefing that took place and what was said, but she herself was not actually briefed. LOL.

double reverse blabspeak...one for the books

281 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

What are you talking about? I called Napa Valley..
What Winery do you want?

ArmyWife needs a place to put that Gaza Honco Rooster, if she ever manages to save him.

I miss the rooster.

282 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:22:54pm

re: #276 Buster Bunny

Botox doesnt hold well to intense scrutiny.

Neither does that grin her plastic surgeon fashioned for her and pasted onto her face.

283 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

ArmyWife needs a place to put that Gaza Honco Rooster, if she ever manages to save him.

I miss the rooster.

I got a postcard from Lounge Lizard the other day. He's doing fine .. he's in retirement and living it up. I can post it if u want to see it.

284 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:23:28pm

re: #270 ArmyWife

I just reviewed the day's topics and darnnit! I coulda put an offer in on San Quentin! A day late and a dollar short.

You can buy other prisons. Johnny Cash owned Folsom in 1968, no reason that you can't!

285 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:23:50pm

re: #277 ArmyWife

Why did you do that? It will only lead to burned retinas.

They can teach what they want ...at home.

When we started homeschooling we weren't aware that it was a political statement. It's still odd to me that the organization's messages are mostly about public policy and lobbying, not schooling.

286 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:23:51pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

He certainly had more on the ball than the Republicans we have in office at the moment!

287 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:24:10pm

re: #270 ArmyWife

I just reviewed the day's topics and darnnit! I coulda put an offer in on San Quentin! A day late and a dollar short.

You'd have to wait for the current residents to find other housing, so that didn't really cost you much.

288 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:24:13pm

re: #273 avanti

Actually, I just read a article on 538.com that shows the GOP is losing the intellectual vote by it's shift the the social right. You can see the trend from the years when the GOP was getting that vote a few years back.

Vote.

Here is the guy that wrote that article... a really believable fellow...

"Nathaniel Read Silver (born 13 January 1978 in East Lansing, Michigan) is an American statistician, journalist, and writer. After residing in Chicago, Illinois for thirteen years, he moved to New York City in 2009.[1]

Silver first gained public recognition for inventing PECOTA,[2] a system for forecasting the performance and career development of Major League Baseball players, which he sold to and then managed for Baseball Prospectus from 2003 to 2009.[3]

In 2007 Silver began to publish analyses and predictions relating to the United States presidential election, 2008, initially under the pseudonym "Poblano." At first this work appeared on the political blog Daily Kos, but in March 2008 Silver established his own website, FiveThirtyEight.com. On May 30, he revealed his real name to his readers and dropped the use of the "Poblano" moniker on his website.[4] By summer of that year, he began to appear as an electoral and political analyst in national print, online, and on cable news media.

In April 2009 he was named one of The World's 100 Most Influential People by TIME Magazine.[5]"

289 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:24:28pm

re: #279 alegrias

No, it's not in the least - it's fair speculation. Look at the people they give forum to now.

290 Ojoe  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:24:31pm

re: #159 Racer X

Well after the black death wages went up.

291 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:24:45pm

re: #283 Buster Bunny

I got a postcard from Lounge Lizard the other day. He's doing fine .. he's in retirement and living it up. I can post it if u want to see it.

Heck, I'm in retirement and living it up!
Sort of.
Sure, spill the beans.

292 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:15pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

What are you talking about? I called Napa Valley..
What Winery do you want?

Dunno about Army Wife, but I want Stag's Leap's Artemis Vineyard!

293 pegcity  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:28pm

re: #253 Charles

Good catch! Who knew there was another Michael Steel in Washington. I withdraw my complaint.

But they still put me on their mailing list without my permission, just like all of the GOP politicians have.

yeah the emails have no E on the end of Steel

294 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:35pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

ArmyWife needs a place to put that Gaza Honco Rooster, if she ever manages to save him.

I miss the rooster.

I have a connection with the CIA..The Rooster was a double agent..
He passed at 4:30 AM in a hail of gunfire..

295 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:36pm

This isn't teh GOP, its teh mobies! /Sarc

296 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:45pm

re: #286 ArmyWife

He certainly had more on the ball than the Republicans we have in office at the moment!

Yes, he did.

297 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:52pm

re: #273 avanti

I have no doubt about that statement. Its funny to hear some bash Obama voters with broad strokes, be it commies, losers, socialists, etc... . Many of these Obama voters could easily go back to the GOP or go to the GOP for the first time if their taxes substantially increase or if the GOP drops the craziness.

298 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:52pm

re: #290 Ojoe

Well after the black death wages went up.

That's the first time I've heard 0bama referred to in that way.

/////

299 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:25:59pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

It simply appears that someone in the white house has set up a email account in his name and is using the white house email server to mail GOP digital material.

I suspect it's a misuse of the white house email server, but, someone is doing it, and probably with full knowledge of others in the party.

Oh for Pete's sake, read Charles's comments. It's a case of mistaken identity.

This is how sekrit mooslim nirth certifikit conspiracy stories get started. Look for it tomorrow on AS.

300 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:26:04pm

A network that will put Alex Jones on has zero standards. I rest my case Alegrias.

301 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:26:16pm

re: #224 Charles

These emails are definitely coming from a house.gov address. No doubt about that. Believe it or not, I know how to check these things.

* * * * *
Charles, it is wrong for whoever is sending you emails from the RNC to do so through the house.gov address, THAT is what is wrong.

I said the Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele is NOT now an elected official, so whoever is sending you RNC material from the house.gov address is in the wrong.

302 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:26:47pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

I have a connection with the CIA..The Rooster was a double agent..
He passed at 4:30 AM in a hail of gunfire..

He "passed"? As in, "passed away"?
say it isn't so!

303 Mr Spiffy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:26:57pm

re: #270 ArmyWife

I just reviewed the day's topics and darnnit! I coulda put an offer in on San Quentin! A day late and a billion dollars short.

height has nothing to do with it

304 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:27:05pm

re: #282 reine.de.tout

Neither does that grin her plastic surgeon fashioned for her and pasted onto her face.

remember when she was riding high on her hubris, visiting syria to "consult"
w/ basher just to cause trouble? i think her headscarf was a silk floral in rich autumn tones. she didn't run from the msm then.
she was proud of her meddling. and grinning.

305 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:27:06pm

re: #285 jaunte

I honestly don't have a problem with homeschooling. I think it is a very viable alternative to public schools for a lot of reasons. I have a problem when they want to push what tends to be a religious agenda on public schools. Now, if some of their academic criteria were to be pushed, we'd be talking a entirely different conversation.

My daughter is graduating (tomorrow) from a tiny, christian private school. As close to homeschooling acadamia without the homeschooling. It taught science, too, though creationism was discussed in chapel.

306 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:27:11pm

As the latest conspiracy theory spins out of control, I'm going back to Hulu...

307 albusteve  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:27:19pm

re: #279 alegrias

* * * *
That is a scurrilous baseless charge against Fox Corporation.

Intelligent fair people here can distinguish between opinion shows and news shows, of which there are many different ones on the Fox Cable channel, not to mention local Fox news affiliates showing local content.

FOX reporters reported when the odious Phelps family showed up to rant at US military burials.

FOX came to a fork in the road and they took it....like all the rest they are slowly making a mockery out of the GOP and therefor by proxy, conservatism....they still have some cred for their responsible viewers, but they are slowly but shirley tossing it for the $$$...their ratings are skyrocketing and it ain't because of Britt Hume

308 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:27:49pm

re: #292 Dianna

Dunno about Army Wife, but I want Stag's Leap's Artemis Vineyard!

You cannot pass on Sterling..I love the tram!

309 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:28:04pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

what? WHAT? Oh dear. Now I must mourn.

310 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:28:19pm

Did Pelosi really accuse the CIA of lying to Congress? That's a serious crime. But hey, why back off when you can just double down on your untenable position.

/I fear this will end badly for her

311 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:28:27pm

re: #299 Cato the Elder

OW!

Target, fire for effect!

312 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:28:37pm

re: #227 mfarmer1

Hannity is the biggest cheerleader out there right now for the GOP.

You're right. I should have directed this at the new fresh face of the GOP, Mr. Exorcism, Bobby Jindal.

The problem is that if I brought this up to an actual GOP elected official nowadays, I'd probably end up at Bible camp followed up by a janitorial stint at the Discovery Institute.

Never mind. There's no problem here whatsoever. My imagination. Sorry.

* * * *
You can contact TV personalities if you want to, that's fine with me.

313 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:28:47pm

re: #299 Cato the Elder

Oh for Pete's sake, read Charles's comments. It's a case of mistaken identity.

This is how sekrit mooslim nirth certifikit conspiracy stories get started. Look for it tomorrow on AS.

Cato, I posted that comment BEFORE the explanation, and, if you look up thread, you will see that I corrected myself, WAY BEFORE YOU DID.

Go back to sleep.

314 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:28:55pm

re: #305 ArmyWife

Congratulations to you and your daughter!

315 Ojoe  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:29:18pm

re: #275 Mr Spiffy

OK ....

316 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:29:23pm

re: #145 alegrias

* * * * *
Did you see the FOUR US Flags behind Speaker Pelosi today, when she gave her "I am not a crook" equivalent speech?

Talk about flag waving hypocrite.

/Remember this one?

317 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:29:38pm

re: #304 nyc redneck

remember when she was riding high on her hubris, visiting syria to "consult"
w/ basher just to cause trouble? i think her headscarf was a silk floral in rich autumn tones. she didn't run from the msm then.
she was proud of her meddling. and grinning.

The grin never goes away. Really odd.
She has, like, one expression on her face, all the time.
RedStateRedNeck said it's caused by all that loose skin having been pulled back behind her ears.

318 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:29:42pm

re: #311 Dianna

OW!

Target, fire for effect!

I posted that comment BEFORE the explanation, and, if you look up thread, you will see that I corrected myself, WAY BEFORE CATO DID.

Pay attention.

319 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #306 Cato the Elder

As the latest conspiracy theory spins out of control, I'm going back to Hulu...

Please don't - I want to hang around you. It's good for me. It keeps my (frightening) intellectual arrogance in check.

320 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:30:20pm

re: #302 reine.de.tout

He "passed"? As in, "passed away"?
say it isn't so!

It ain't so!

Witness Protection, that's all I'm authorized to say.

321 Buster Bunny  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:30:25pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

I have a connection with the CIA..The Rooster was a double agent..
He passed at 4:30 AM in a hail of gunfire..

He will be missed. KFC spokesmen have said he was a one of a kind chicken. Now he is available in regular .. or hot and spicy.

322 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:30:35pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

Brazil: Image: a%20brazil%20criterion%20single%20720%20BRAZIL-4.jpg

323 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:30:46pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Cato, I posted that comment BEFORE the explanation, and, if you look up thread, you will see that I corrected myself, WAY BEFORE YOU DID.

Go back to sleep.

Sorry. My bad.

And if you were hoping for a gratuitous insult in reply...I'm too tired.

And I have Manners.

324 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:31:11pm

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

I posted that comment BEFORE the explanation, and, if you look up thread, you will see that I corrected myself, WAY BEFORE CATO DID.

Pay attention.

I didn't see it - or catch it. I think it was the sarcasm effect that got me. Sorry, Walter.

325 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #321 Buster Bunny

Don't forget grilled.

326 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:31:35pm

re: #297 flyers1974

I have no doubt about that statement. Its funny to hear some bash Obama voters with broad strokes, be it commies, losers, socialists, etc... . Many of these Obama voters could easily go back to the GOP or go to the GOP for the first time if their taxes substantially increase or if the GOP drops the craziness.

My opinion is that a fiscal conservative candidate who was socially moderate could pull a lot of votes. Lately, you get candidates that are either far right or left in both areas.

327 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:31:37pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

And I have Manners.

Hi, Mandy! :)

328 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:31:44pm
329 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:31:58pm

Here's a hint folks: If Obama's press secretary can use a .gov address, then so can both Republican and Democrat caucus press secretaries.

330 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:32:08pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

Sorry. My bad.

And if you were hoping for a gratuitous insult in reply...I'm too tired.

And I have Manners.

No, I didn't expect any insult, that's my job.

331 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:32:29pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

The grin never goes away. Really odd.
She has, like, one expression on her face, all the time.
RedStateRedNeck said it's caused by all that loose skin having been pulled back behind her ears.

Actually, it's from all the truth being pulled back behind her rhetoric.

332 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:32:37pm

re: #324 Dianna

I didn't see it - or catch it. I think it was the sarcasm effect that got me. Sorry, Walter.

O'tay.

333 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:32:45pm

re: #321 Buster Bunny

He will be missed. KFC spokesmen have said he was a one of a kind chicken. Now he is available in regular .. or hot and spicy.

Alas, he would have been better as Cog Au'Vin.

334 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:33:12pm

re: #302 reine.de.tout

He "passed"? As in, "passed away"?
say it isn't so!

Known as a secret spy..TGR (the Gaza Rooster)
Was hung after the ops and was said to be delicious with exotic middle eastern spices..
He shall crow no more..
those bastards!

335 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:33:22pm

re: #322 jaunte

Brazil: [Link: www.dvdbeaver.com...]

Well, I'm confused!
That was for me? Any reason why? Any relation to my Pelosi badgering?

336 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:33:24pm

re: #145 alegrias

* * * * *
Did you see the FOUR US Flags behind Speaker Pelosi today, when she gave her "I am not a crook" equivalent speech?

Talk about flag waving hypocrite.

oh yeah, 4 flags. did you notice how they were all folded up and cramped in there, just to back drop that witch.
it is total hypocrisy. the way they cling to flag when they need to.
like fake bitter clingers.

338 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:34:12pm

re: #306 Cato the Elder

As the latest conspiracy theory spins out of control, I'm going back to Hulu...

Check out Anthony Cumia's "Live from the Compound". It's a little racy but I'm really enjoying it.

339 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:34:18pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Yes, it was just that your:

"She has, like, one expression on her face, all the time.
RedStateRedNeck said it's caused by all that loose skin having been pulled back behind her ears."


reminded me of that image.

340 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:34:54pm

re: #329 Thanos

Here's a hint folks: If Obama's press secretary can use a .gov address, then so can both Republican and Democrat caucus press secretaries.

/yep, Sherlock Holmes' surrogate solved the mystery about a hundred comments ago

341 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:35:06pm

re: #182 alegrias

* * * * *
NEWSFLASH

Sean Hannity is a tv entertainer, not a GOP person, but a self-described conservative.
Hannity is not an elected official of anything nor any party.

Please direct your leadership questions to an elected official of some kind, not to a tv personality and syndicated business person.

But aren't the high-profile elected officials of the GOP singing the same tune as Hannity? Or at least, not contradicting him? It's not like Hannity, Beck, etc. are aberrations.

342 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:35:27pm
343 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:35:53pm

re: #339 jaunte

(from the movie Brazil)

344 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:36:47pm

re: #300 Thanos

A network that will put Alex Jones on has zero standards. I rest my case Alegrias.

Not to mention the mainstreaming of Ron Paul and Glenn Beck's Birch society shit. They've done some serious damage that is going to take a very long time to undo.

345 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:36:53pm

re: #289 Thanos

No, it's not in the least - it's fair speculation. Look at the people they give forum to now.

* * * * *
There's news reporting and there's opinion programming across a broad spectrum in this country of free speech.

Lizards here find some of the most repellent forums and report back to LGF so I don't have to go there.

346 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:37:43pm

re: #319 Dianna

Well, shucks, that's the nicest thing I've heard all week.

[scuffs foot, blushes]

Say, you wouldn't want to go down to the Mayberry soda fountain and get a malted, would you?

:^)

347 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:38:05pm

re: #343 jaunte

(from the movie Brazil)

Got it!
You think in pictures, don't you?

348 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:38:27pm

Diana and Cato sittin' in a tree...

349 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:38:49pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Sorry, that's on Moglus. These new trendy sites are hard to keep up with. I should just Twitter my Facebook onto Myspace and be done with it.

350 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:39:09pm

re: #340 Killian Bundy

/yep, Sherlock Holmes' surrogate solved the mystery about a hundred comments ago

Holmes and Watson go camping, and in the middle of the night, Homes asks "Watson, what do you see?"

"Ah, my friend, I see a cloudless night, a beautiful sliver of moonlight, and stars as far as one can see."

"Very good, Watson," Holmes says. "What does this mean to you?"

"Sherlock, it is a beautiful night. What does it mean to you?"

"Watson, someone has stolen our damn tent!"

351 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:39:26pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Not to mention the mainstreaming of Ron Paul and Glenn Beck's Birch society shit. They've done some serious damage that is going to take a very long time to undo.

/Generic Congressional Ballot

352 NelsFree  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:40:14pm

re: #208 avanti

Now that he can't do, the most he could do it start a decades long process to slow it down.Without more study, I'm not even sure we can do that.


Another massive government program without end to address an issue of disputable veracity that, decades later, notes that nothing has changed and takes credit for it.
Perhaps I misunderstood that you forgot to add a /sarc tag?

Oh, and while we are on that subject, what rating were you, Chief?

353 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:40:17pm

re: #351 Killian Bundy

Great. The insanity is spreading.
/

354 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:40:26pm

re: #347 reine.de.tout

Got it!
You think in pictures, don't you?

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

355 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:40:44pm

What a putz.

This is another winner. Thanks, GOP. Great job at rehabilitating the brand image.

356 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:41:12pm

re: #316 NY Nana

/Remember this one?

* * * * *

Dear NY Nana,

Thanks for that--barf! Did you see where Pres. Obama was going to visit New Mexico and Bill Richardson today, ending the shut-out after Richardson's ethical challenges kept him out of the Commerce Secretary job?

357 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:41:16pm

re: #354 jaunte

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

LOL!
that was a great way to answer!

358 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:41:18pm

re: #345 alegrias

Fox loves freaks first, sex second, and only occasionally news.

359 TedStriker  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:41:29pm

re: #310 Killian Bundy

Did Pelosi really accuse the CIA of lying to Congress? That's a serious crime. But hey, why back off when you can just double down on your untenable position.

/I fear this will end badly for her

G-d, I hope so...

/ain't karma a bitch, San Fran Nan?

360 firepilot  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:41:38pm

re: #273 avanti

Actually, I just read a article on 538.com that shows the GOP is losing the intellectual vote by it's shift the the social right. You can see the trend from the years when the GOP was getting that vote a few years back.

Vote.

I totally believe that.

The Social Conservatives also claim to be the true Republicans, and are the same ones trying to foise things like ID/Creationism on schools, making the GOP into a laughing stock among intellectuals.

And, they are acting like only they are the true Republicans, and anyone who is socialy moderate and for small government is not a real Republican.

Lets not forget, Social Conservatives were part of the Democratic Party for a long long time. Social Conservatives supported Roosevelts New Deal, voted for Lyndon Johnson and gave us Jimmy Carter, who was definitely more socially conservative than Gerald Ford.

It was starting in mid 60s where social cons left the Democrats over civil rights issues. Social Cons were never really about true Conservatism, as written by Barry Goldwater, they voted for his opponent.

Funny now though, but you could quote directly from his book "Conscience of a Conservative", and a lot of Social Conservatives would say you are really just being a Democrat. I guess they would know, thats where the Social Conservatives came from.

361 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:42:27pm

Well, sleepy time for me.
gud nite awl.

(spelling deliberately mangled for the amusement of Dianna and Cato the E)

362 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:42:36pm

re: #350 SteveC

Holmes and Watson go camping, and in the middle of the night, Homes asks "Watson, what do you see?"

"Ah, my friend, I see a cloudless night, a beautiful sliver of moonlight, and stars as far as one can see."

"Very good, Watson," Holmes says. "What does this mean to you?"

"Sherlock, it is a beautiful night. What does it mean to you?"

"Watson, someone has stolen our damn tent!"

Holmes and Watson--the love that dare not speak its name.//

(apologies to all the Holmes purists out there.)

363 baier  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:42:51pm

re: #351 Killian Bundy

/Generic Congressional Ballot


However, it should be noted that the current numbers represent a lull in support for the Democratic Party, not a surge in support for Republicans. Support for Democrats is one point higher than the lowest level found over the past year, while support for the GOP is a point below its highest level during that period.

That a very telling paragraph from that article. With guys like Hendren and Beck around, it's no wonder.

364 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:43:12pm

re: #352 NelsFree

Another massive government program without end to address an issue of disputable veracity that, decades later, notes that nothing has changed and takes credit for it.
Perhaps I misunderstood that you forgot to add a /sarc tag?

Oh, and while we are on that subject, what rating were you, Chief?

I agree, no one has the real answer as to how to respond to global warming. I was a Electronics Technician BTW.

365 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:43:26pm

re: #355 calcajun

What a putz.

This is another winner. Thanks, GOP. Great job at rehabilitating the brand image.

He's a 71 year old ex-Democrat-turned Republican who is running against a strong incumbent Democrat. I don't think this one has legs.

366 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:43:46pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

Well, sleepy time for me.
gud nite awl.

(spelling deliberately mangled for the amusement of Dianna and Cato the E)

Goody nite..
Speled just for U..
weet dreams

367 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:43:59pm

re: #358 Thanos

What's that you say? It's news to you that Fox is occasionally getting it's freak on after sex?

368 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:44:49pm

For Dianna & Cato the E:

Ladle Rat Rotten Hut

369 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:45:11pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

Goodnight Reine! Sweet dreams.

370 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:45:11pm

re: #365 pink freud

Even worse--they have to get a re-tread to run.

371 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:45:49pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

C'ya later.

372 kansas  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:46:09pm

re: #364 avanti

I agree, no one has the real answer as to how to respond to global warming. I was a Electronics Technician BTW.

Some guy in the UK wants to build artificial trees.[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...] That'll be cheap. Wonder if China and India will use them? I always get the impression that America gets the blame for everything while ignoring the obvious population differences.

373 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:46:34pm

re: #367 calcajun

What's that you say? It's news to you that Fox is occasionally getting it's freak on after sex?

Even Neil Cavuto likes Victoria's Secret video!

/Roll that beautiful woman footage!

374 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #367 calcajun

What's that you say? It's news to you that Fox is occasionally getting it's freak on after sex?

They are just going back to their roots. They rose to national prominence via wall to wall OJ Trial coverage.

375 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:47:59pm

re: #364 avanti

I agree, no one has the real answer as to how to respond to global warming. I was a Electronics Technician BTW.

Are you saying the Dems don't know how to respond to Global Climate change?
/Hi Chief

376 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:09pm

re: #346 Cato the Elder

Well, shucks, that's the nicest thing I've heard all week.

[scuffs foot, blushes]

Say, you wouldn't want to go down to the Mayberry soda fountain and get a malted, would you?

:^)

I'm attached, but in a purely non-sexual way, sure! Any time. I would love to absorb knowledge from you.

377 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:27pm

re: #360 firepilot

Goldwater is the Man.

378 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:27pm

re: #373 SteveC

That is so like Neal--being attracted to columns and figures.

379 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:30pm

I'm going wobbly on health care. I'm very afraid of European style nationalized medicine but what are the alternatives? The GOP has no plan to reduce health care costs and in this troubled economy health insurance is one of my biggest expenses. I pay $300 a month for a service I never use and doesn't cover me on the rare occasion when I need it. What are the alternatives to Obama's socialized medicine? Does the GOP have a plan?

380 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:32pm

re: #341 ShanghaiEd

But aren't the high-profile elected officials of the GOP singing the same tune as Hannity? Or at least, not contradicting him? It's not like Hannity, Beck, etc. are aberrations.

* * * * *
People here say there IS no GOP leadership, the GOP is in disarray, then when Obama and democrats decide Rush Limbaugh, or Hannity or Ann Coulter are magically "elected" GOP officials, people take the bait.

It's amazing. No, Hannity, Beck etc. are not aberrations, they are TV/radio/media syndicated personalities, like the cartoon section of your paper.

They are like Hollywood people, like actors, NOT elected government representatives with real responsibilities!

381 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:54pm

re: #368 reine.de.tout

For Dianna & Cato the E:

Ladle Rat Rotten Hut

Forgive me.

WTF?!

382 NelsFree  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:48:58pm

re: #364 avanti

I agree, no one has the real answer as to how to respond to global warming.

I have the answer to how to respond to global warming:

IGNORE IT! IT'S A HOAX!

We don't need more study. We need to drill, baby, drill, build Nuclear Power Plants, develop clean coal technology, and LET THE MARKETPLACE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, DETERMINE WINNERS AND LOSERS in energy production!

383 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:49:23pm

re: #372 kansas

I always get the impression that America gets the blame for everything

You are correct. Blaming America is the fastest growing sport in the world. Since the new administration came into office, we've even started playing!

/There's no crying in baseball!

384 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:49:36pm

re: #362 calcajun

Brokeback Scotland Yard?

385 Grand Poobah  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:49:42pm

Brilliant. Why have the GOP politicians taken a turn for the stupid?

386 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:50:01pm

re: #348 Dan G.

Diana and Cato sittin' in a tree...

Ahem?

I have mentioned the Male of the Species? Second dan black belt (twice over) and all that?

387 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:50:07pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

The first thing to resolve is the difference between insurance and a subsidy. Many laws for insurance to be a subsidy (i.e. covering pre-existing conditions). Insurance is supposed to cover the events that might happen, but haven't happened yet.

388 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:50:10pm

"By maintaining the separation of church and state," he explained, "the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?"

-Barry Goldwater

389 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:50:12pm

re: #381 Dianna

Forgive me.

WTF?!

Story of Ladle Rat Rotten Hut, her groin-murder and the wicket-woof.

Thought you'd get a kick out of it.

390 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:50:47pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

yes. Purchase it on the market, or get it through your employer.

391 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:51:15pm

re: #375 HoosierHoops

Are you saying the Dems don't know how to respond to Global Climate change?
/Hi Chief

I don't think it should be a political issues at all. The best both parties could do is look at the science without the political baggage and figure out how to respond. Hi, back at you.

392 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:51:32pm

re: #388 Sharmuta

At least Barry Goldwater was an American first and a Republican second. Tell that to the Demo☭rats.

393 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:51:49pm

re: #386 Dianna

Ahem... I remember your statement about 4 hour quickies... Nothing about fisticuffs. ;)

394 pink freud  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:51:55pm

From LATimes:

Obama to continue military tribunals

"Reporting from Washington -- The Obama administration will announce Friday that it will continue to use military commissions to prosecute some terrorism suspects, current and former officials said -- reversing a campaign promise to abolish the controversial tribunals started under President George W. Bush."

tsk tsk tsk .........

:-)

395 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

And I have Manners.

Where is Mandy, and what have you done with her?!?!?!?!

396 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

I'd suggest you keep your current plan, or - failing all else - that you throw yourself upon the bounty of the county.

A very dear friend's cancer treatment ended up costing his survivors nothing. If you like irony, he'd gone into debt to make sure his workers had health care insurance. He didn't qualify.

397 Randall Gross  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #381 Dianna

Forgive me.

WTF?!

This is a very cool rendition of the classic fable "Little Red Riding Hood". If you read it aloud it sounds close enough to the original that you can put the story together. Kids think it's hilarious.

There's an audio version of it being read aloud at [Link: exploratorium.com...]
iirc

398 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:53:01pm

re: #392 Macker

You might as well add the sickle and hammer to the "c" in Republicans, the way they've been behaving.

399 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:53:09pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

Story of Ladle Rat Rotten Hut, her groin-murder and the wicket-woof.

Thought you'd get a kick out of it.

When I was a kid, I learned this little song. See if you can figure it out.

IM4U
SIM
SIM
GI12B4U4FR
IMINU
IRIN2
SEZ2CBB
UNICI2I
OIM4U
SIM
SIM
GI12B4U4FR

400 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #389 reine.de.tout

Story of Ladle Rat Rotten Hut, her groin-murder and the wicket-woof.

Thought you'd get a kick out of it.

I got confused. Which may say more about the last couple weeks than anything else. Excuse me.

401 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:53:49pm

re: #380 alegrias

* * * * *
People here say there IS no GOP leadership, the GOP is in disarray, then when Obama and democrats decide Rush Limbaugh, or Hannity or Ann Coulter are magically "elected" GOP officials, people take the bait.

It's amazing. No, Hannity, Beck etc. are not aberrations, they are TV/radio/media syndicated personalities, like the cartoon section of your paper.

They are like Hollywood people, like actors, NOT elected government representatives with real responsibilities!

I can't recall anyone saying that Limbaugh, etc..., are elected GOP officials. Many on the left have stated that they are the GOP leadership. Which elected GOP officials have denied this and without later issuing an apology/disclamer?

402 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:53:56pm

re: #396 Dianna

That's a nauseating irony...

403 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #382 NelsFree

I have the answer to how to respond to global warming:

IGNORE IT! IT'S A HOAX!

We don't need more study. We need to drill, baby, drill, build Nuclear Power Plants, develop clean coal technology, and LET THE MARKETPLACE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, DETERMINE WINNERS AND LOSERS in energy production!

One thing I am certain of, is that it's not a hoax. The science could be off on the edges, we might not know how to stop it, but a hoax it is not.

404 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:54:36pm

Beat L.A.! Beat L.A.! Beat L.A.!
- Refs in tonight's game.

This is ridiculous.

405 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:54:38pm
406 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:54:57pm

re: #368 reine.de.tout

For Dianna & Cato the E:

Ladle Rat Rotten Hut

One ear full!

This one would have approved.

407 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:55:49pm

re: #393 Dan G.

Ahem... I remember your statement about 4 hour quickies... Nothing about fisticuffs. ;)

Noooo, I merely noted that "quickies" invariably resulted in being late for my train!

408 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:05pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

What are the alternatives to Obama's socialized medicine? Does the GOP have a plan?

In a word, no.

409 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:11pm

re: #394 pink freud

From LATimes:

Obama to continue military tribunals

"Reporting from Washington -- The Obama administration will announce Friday that it will continue to use military commissions to prosecute some terrorism suspects, current and former officials said -- reversing a campaign promise to abolish the controversial tribunals started under President George W. Bush."

tsk tsk tsk .........

:-)

I kind of like it when he pisses off the far left. BHO, got a little taste of reality, and made the right choice.

410 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:34pm

OT

Rod Blagoyevich is promoting a shampoo line!

Bwahaha.

He's one enterprising Democrat, though his attempt to sell Obama's senate seat bombed big time.

Per Greta Van Susteren on Fox.

411 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:39pm

re: #408 Charles

In a word, no.

Right to the point.

412 kansas  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:46pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

I'm going wobbly on health care. I'm very afraid of European style nationalized medicine but what are the alternatives? The GOP has no plan to reduce health care costs and in this troubled economy health insurance is one of my biggest expenses. I pay $300 a month for a service I never use and doesn't cover me on the rare occasion when I need it. What are the alternatives to Obama's socialized medicine? Does the GOP have a plan?

What needs to be reformed. Health care or health insurance? The alternative to socialized medicine would be the free market where people had to pay their own way, mostly, and had insurance coverage for only catastrophic events. I pay 139 per month and have a 5000 deductible. I needed it once and it saved me 80 grand.

413 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:54pm

re: #403 avanti

Correct. The rise in temperature is fact, what's behind it etc... is IMHO unresolved.

414 NelsFree  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:56:56pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

I'm going wobbly on health care. I'm very afraid of European style nationalized medicine but what are the alternatives? The GOP has no plan to reduce health care costs and in this troubled economy health insurance is one of my biggest expenses. I pay $300 a month for a service I never use and doesn't cover me on the rare occasion when I need it. What are the alternatives to Obama's socialized medicine? Does the GOP have a plan?

Okay, I get to solve health care, too. My family and I have had no medical insurance for several years. We are healthy, and we pay cash for doctor visits. First, insitute "Loser Pays" to stop frivolous lawsuits. Frogmarch some ambulance chasers who don't get it. Once malpractise premiums drop ( a considerable part of doctor's costs) health care becomes cheaper. Enforce the immigration laws to keep out illegals who use emergency rooms like they're free. Reduce government controls on medical practises. Finally, revamp Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP to minimize taxes. I could go on...

415 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:57:13pm

re: #399 Alouette

When I was a kid, I learned this little song. See if you can figure it out.

IM4U
SIM
SIM
GI12B4U4FR
IMINU
IRIN2
SEZ2CBB
UNICI2I
OIM4U
SIM
SIM
GI12B4U4FR

/Did you work for the CIA and Mossad at the time? Child labor?

416 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:57:59pm

re: #408 Charles

Of course not, Charles. Even they aren't Toasters!

/

417 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:58:20pm

re: #395 NY Nana

Where is Mandy, and what have you done with her?!?!?!?!

I was going to hold her for a handsome ransom,
But she slipped the knot,
Told me sweetly to
Piss up the rope,
Whacked me upside the head with the stool
And took off in the direction
Of most resistance.

418 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #407 Dianna

;)

419 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:58:40pm

what is it with our politicos these days. Both the Dems and Reps have gone insane

420 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:59:03pm

re: #408 Charles

In a word, no.


Tea Party!
/Wheeeee!
//Zen Strawberry

421 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:59:24pm

re: #402 Dan G.

That's a nauseating irony...

I know.

Dear friend, screaming hypocrite, I loved him dearly, and I miss him horribly, and always will.

422 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 7:59:33pm

re: #400 Dianna

I got confused. Which may say more about the last couple weeks than anything else. Excuse me.

Sure.

423 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:00:29pm

re: #410 alegrias

/Is Silky Pony going to be his partner?

Youtube Video
424 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:00:34pm

re: #415 NY Nana

/Did you work for the CIA and Mossad at the time? Child labor?

That was back in the day. I thought it would be easy for IM and texters.

425 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:01:42pm

re: #408 Charles

In a word, no.

Except for the standard GOP platform, I haven't heard diddly squat about any plans the GOP has. They aren't even saying much about the current Obama initiatives running through the house and senate. Silence of the...

426 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:01:48pm

re: #399 Alouette

When I was a kid, I learned this little song. See if you can figure it out.

IM4U
SIM
SIM
GI12B4U4FR
IMINU
IRIN2
SEZ2CBB
UNICI2I
OIM4U
SIM
SIM
GI12B4U4FR

Aw, heck, I can't go to sleep with this on my mind!
I am for you
yes I am
Yes I am
gee, I want to be for you forever
I are into you (?)
It's easy 2 see baby
You and I see eye to eye
O I'm for you
yes I am
yes I am
Gee, i want to be for you forever.

427 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:01:50pm

re: #376 Dianna

Honi soit qui mal y pense!

People tend to read too much into a malted milk. Must be the association with hops.

428 NelsFree  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:01:54pm

re: #403 avanti

One thing I am certain of, is that it's not a hoax. The science could be off on the edges, we might not know how to stop it, but a hoax it is not.

Your proof? Including all those studies that have been found to be faulty?
Rather than have a meltdown, just never mind. I don't care to bang my head against that wall again. Good night, Twidget.
Nuc Flangehead

429 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:02:17pm

re: #391 avanti

I don't think it should be a political issues at all. The best both parties could do is look at the science without the political baggage and figure out how to respond. Hi, back at you.

I totally agree..This is not a political issue..and yet it so wrapped together it is sick..
I often will post science sites in threads as neutral as possible.. Just pure credible science sites on many issues...I choose above board pure science sites...And I am so proud to say Charles has never once deleted a link of mine concerning science..11k+ posts. Thank you Charles..
I blame those mean Nuns drilling the general Gas laws into my head by the 7th grade..
There is no such thing as magic..I've got 13.7 billion years of proof to back me up..

430 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:02:42pm

re: #408 Charles

In a word, no.

But do they actually need one? I know the propaganda drum beat cries they do. I don't agree.

Back in the day (1993, while temping and starving - bad time), I collapsed and ended up in the hospital. I got my current job within a month of that, and therefore didn't qualify for the bounty of the county (though I was close). They let me pay it off at a very reasonable rate, and with no interest.

I understand that severe conditions might be more difficult, but really, private and local government charity does really work better than some centrally administered "plan".

431 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:02:44pm

In 1995, the House Republicans called balancing the budget a "moral imperative".

Where is that imperative now?

432 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:03:04pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Aw, heck, I can't go to sleep with this on my mind!
I am for you
yes I am
Yes I am
gee, I want to be for you forever
I are into you (?)
It's easy 2 see baby
You and I see eye to eye
O I'm for you
yes I am
yes I am
Gee, i want to be for you forever.

You got it. The line you were not sure about it "I am eyein' you"

433 ArmyWife  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:03:11pm

I'm off to bed. I'm going to Baltimore for the weekend to see my little girl graduate and host a party that includes my entire clan - including (cue ominous music) my inlaws. Ok, I love my FIL. It's my MIL. But anyways, behave and I'll see ya when I get back!

434 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:03:13pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

I'm going wobbly on health care. I'm very afraid of European style nationalized medicine but what are the alternatives? The GOP has no plan to reduce health care costs and in this troubled economy health insurance is one of my biggest expenses. I pay $300 a month for a service I never use and doesn't cover me on the rare occasion when I need it. What are the alternatives to Obama's socialized medicine? Does the GOP have a plan?

* * * *
If you want to go to a DMV like kind of place for medical care....yikes.

How about ending the monopolistic regulation of insurance, and letting insurance companies sell policies nationwide? How about letting YOU take the tax credit for your medical insurance, instead of your employer? How about letting you open a Health Savings Account to pay for medical expenses out of tax-sheltered money?

The GOP supports these and many other ideas to put you in the driver seat, lower health insurance costs to you, and to create downward pressure on medical costs through greater SUPPLY of providers of all these services.

435 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:04:05pm

re: #414 NelsFree

Okay, I get to solve health care, too. My family and I have had no medical insurance for several years. We are healthy, and we pay cash for doctor visits. First, insitute "Loser Pays" to stop frivolous lawsuits. Frogmarch some ambulance chasers who don't get it. Once malpractise premiums drop ( a considerable part of doctor's costs) health care becomes cheaper. Enforce the immigration laws to keep out illegals who use emergency rooms like they're free. Reduce government controls on medical practises. Finally, revamp Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP to minimize taxes. I could go on...

I question how many frivolous lawsuits there are against doctors. Insurance companies do not settle nuisance suits against doctors like they might settle a questionable car accident case. Bringing a medical malpractice case is not easy and any lawyer who values his time won't take one on unless there is a real good reason, i.e., the doctor really screwed up. Furthermore, even if a lawyer took a frivolous medical malpractice case, it would be most likely be thrown out by the court.

436 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:04:12pm

I have no problem with the GOP sitting on their hands for a while. Nothing they put out right now will garner any support at all. Why waste the effort? Let Obama do his thing for a while. Then when the natives get restless put out a viable alternative.

437 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:05:08pm

re: #434 alegrias

* * * *
If you want to go to a DMV like kind of place for medical care....yikes.

How about ending the monopolistic regulation of insurance, and letting insurance companies sell policies nationwide? How about letting YOU take the tax credit for your medical insurance, instead of your employer? How about letting you open a Health Savings Account to pay for medical expenses out of tax-sheltered money?

The GOP supports these and many other ideas to put you in the driver seat, lower health insurance costs to you, and to create downward pressure on medical costs through greater SUPPLY of providers of all these services.

Bravo.

And don't forget tort reform.

Howdy, and good evening to all.

438 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #414 NelsFree

First, insitute "Loser Pays" to stop frivolous lawsuits.

That does not work. It creates a chilling effect on people who would otherwise have meritorious suits. That one has been kicked around for years. Besides, in most states, the prevailing party is awarded all costs, including expert witness fees. You do not recover attorney fees unless permitted by statute or by a contractual provision.

Frogmarch some ambulance chasers who don't get it.

There are fewer of them now than you think. The insurance companies have made that particular area of the legal practice much less profitable.

Once malpractise premiums drop ( a considerable part of doctor's costs) health care becomes cheaper.

Again-not quite true. We have MICRA here in CA which limits the recover in any med-mal claim to 250K and premiums are still high.

Enforce the immigration laws to keep out illegals who use emergency rooms like they're free.

What do you mean "like" they're free--they are free. It's why Medical is broke. Mexicans come across the border--get treated at Sharp in Chula Vista--have babies even, and high-tail it south before the bill comes due.

Reduce government controls on medical practises.

Such as?

Finally, revamp Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP to minimize taxes.

How and in what way?

You're ranting--and I understand why. But there's no easy fix here and what you are suggesting won't help.

439 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:06:20pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

In 1995, the House Republicans called balancing the budget a "moral imperative".

Where is that imperative now?

Excellent question!

440 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:06:26pm
441 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:06:28pm

re: #433 ArmyWife

I'm off to bed. I'm going to Baltimore for the weekend to see my little girl graduate and host a party that includes my entire clan - including (cue ominous music) my inlaws. Ok, I love my FIL. It's my MIL. But anyways, behave and I'll see ya when I get back!

You are a wonderful lizard..Come Sunday morning.. we are all going to be talking about you behind your back...when Goddess shows up..
weet dreams...:)

442 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:06:45pm

re: #423 NY Nana

/Is Silky Pony going to be his partner?


[Video]

LOL, i forgot how intensely he tried to get the front part perfect. what a fop.
and it looks like he is wearing lip glace'. kind of a silvery pink.
it is not difficult to see why ann coulter described him w/ "hate crime" terminology.

443 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:06:52pm

re: #436 Racer X

I have no problem with the GOP sitting on their hands for a while. Nothing they put out right now will garner any support at all. Why waste the effort? Let Obama do his thing for a while. Then when the natives get restless put out a viable alternative.

The problem is the silence leaves a void into which our opponents can paint us as having no ideas. Since the response to this is more silence, it takes on the aura of truth. We have no ideas.

It would be better to offer real ideas now, and continue to stay on message than continue to have the appearance of cluelessness.

444 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:07:04pm
445 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:08:14pm
446 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:08:35pm

The best way to lower health care costs is to implement a solid eugenics program, to eliminate the weak and unfit who are a burden on society.

MEIN FUEHRER! I CAN VALK!

447 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:08:56pm

re: #437 Occasional Reader

Don't take this wrong, but I barely saw you yesterday, and I'm profoundly relieved to run into you.

It's been a hard couple weeks, and I need reassurance about the nature of the universe, which (quite involuntarily) you provide.

448 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:09:06pm

TFK, do you post on more hostile sites, just to stir the shit? It'd be interesting.

449 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:09:07pm

re: #434 alegrias

In these tough economic times I'm on the brink of dropping my health insurance because I can't afford it. I have to pay my mortgage and my utility bills. After that I pay my grocery bills so I can eat. Then I can finally pay my health insurance. I haven't been to the dentist in a year because I can't afford it and my insurance doesn't cover it. If I dropped my insurance I could actually afford to go to the dentist and get some health care. I've been terribly sick and not gone into the doctor because I know that even though I pay my premiums they probably aren't going to cover whatever care I need. I'm paying a lot of money for a service that gives me nothing already. How is Obama's plan worse?

450 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:09:12pm

re: #401 flyers1974

I can't recall anyone saying that Limbaugh, etc..., are elected GOP officials. Many on the left have stated that they are the GOP leadership. Which elected GOP officials have denied this and without later issuing an apology/disclamer?

* * * *
Democrats don't get to decide who are the GOP's elected officials, period.

Mitch McConnell is the elected leader of the Senate GOP.
John Boehner is the elected leader of the House GOP.

Michael Steele is the Chairman of the Republican National Committee--fundraiser job, not an elected official

451 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:09:27pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

Margaret Sanger would be proud.

452 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:10:12pm

re: #447 Dianna

Don't take this wrong, but I barely saw you yesterday, and I'm profoundly relieved to run into you.

It's been a hard couple weeks, and I need reassurance about the nature of the universe, which (quite involuntarily) you provide.

Damn. That´s a lot of responsibilty. Am I getting paid for this?

453 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:10:28pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Because he wants a single-payer system like NHS in the UK. That's why.

454 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:10:35pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Not being allowed to opt out?

455 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:11:09pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

I don't know what's ailing you, but many physicians now offer self-pay discounts... it might be something to look into.

456 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:12:01pm

SPECTACULAR thunderstorms here in Asunción last night, which had the effect of dropping the temperature by about 20 degrees. Quite impressive.

457 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:12:11pm

re: #423 NY Nana

/Is Silky Pony going to be his partner?


[Video]

* * * *
Nana, Blagoyevich wouldn't touch John Edwards with a ten foot pole.

458 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:12:16pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

The problem is the silence leaves a void into which our opponents can paint us as having no ideas. Since the response to this is more silence, it takes on the aura of truth. We have no ideas.

It would be better to offer real ideas now, and continue to stay on message than continue to have the appearance of cluelessness.

I agree but you have to give Obama enough rope.

459 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:12:35pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

KT, if you can possibly afford it, don't drop your health insurance.

It's one of those things: most of the time, you don't need it; but when you do, you need it bad.

460 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:12:48pm

re: #458 Racer X

You're quite the optimist. It's nice to know such people are still around.

461 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:13:10pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

How is Obama's plan worse?

Because it keeps pushing us down the path toward the point where we are all wards of the state, rather than free citizens.

Among other reasons.

462 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:13:14pm
463 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:13:28pm

re: #412 kansas

What needs to be reformed. Health care or health insurance?

Neither. We've got the best freaking health care in the world, bar none. Forget what we keep getting told about other nations having these wonderful payment systems... Canadians cross the boarder and pay out of pocket so they can get surgery NOW rather than wait 8 months. (That's kinda important with a cancer operation, I bet!) And while they may talk about "Medical tourism" and how people are going overseas because the *sob* healthcare is just so expensive...*sniff* - they don't mention that medical tourism brings a lot more people TO the United States than out of it.

Reform the Healthcare payment system. Do NOT make it single payer, there are too damn many people who think FREE=MORE. This has been proven: putting a free soda fountain on every patient floor makes the Patient Satisfaction rating go up!

There are three competing factors in healthcare: 1) You can have GOOD healthcare; 2) You can have FAST healthcare; or 3) You can have CHEAP healthcare. But we can only have two.

When people decide which two they want, then we're on the way to reforming the system

464 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:13:38pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

Damn. That´s a lot of responsibilty. Am I getting paid for this?

No. Except in gratitude.

This is about my sanity. Which is always an ambiguous proposition, at best.

465 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:13:49pm

re: #450 alegrias

* * * *
Democrats don't get to decide who are the GOP's elected officials, period.

Mitch McConnell is the elected leader of the Senate GOP.
John Boehner is the elected leader of the House GOP.

Michael Steele is the Chairman of the Republican National Committee--fundraiser job, not an elected official

I agree with everything you've stated. But, the issue isn't elected officials. It is leaders and leaders can be elected or unelected. Example - Michael Moore is not an elected democratic leader. However, you could make the argument (though with less justice than Limbaugh as GOP leader) that he was/is a Democratic/liberal leader.

466 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:14:02pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

I'm going wobbly on health care. I'm very afraid of European style nationalized medicine but what are the alternatives? The GOP has no plan to reduce health care costs and in this troubled economy health insurance is one of my biggest expenses. I pay $300 a month for a service I never use and doesn't cover me on the rare occasion when I need it. What are the alternatives to Obama's socialized medicine? Does the GOP have a plan?

Misconceptions about "European-style nationalized medicine" are as rampant as paranoia at a tea party.

Having lived in Germany for ten years, I can confidently say we should be so lucky as to have what they've got. Which was started, by the way, in the last century but one by a certain flaming socialist name of Bismarck. I believe he was the Spartacus List candidate for the Berlin-Schöneberg district in some Reichstag election or other...

And just to make a few more heads explode by re-examination of things we're supposed to know we hate, here's a question I posed the other day but got no answer to:

The alternative to multiculturalism is what?

If people like the honorable dimwit from Arkansas who is the subject of this thread think we can go back to a monocultural Mayberry, they've lost whatever minds they ever had.

467 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:14:51pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

I'm in Ca., too. My dentist offered a 40% discount on their services, when I asked for help, as a cash pay patient. Things they outsource are billed at cost. It has helped.....

468 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:14:54pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Obama's plan will kill you. By agonizing inches, while chanting about hope.

469 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:15:03pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

In 1995, the House Republicans called balancing the budget a "moral imperative".

Where is that imperative now?

* * * *
This ain't your 1995 bunch of House Republicans. There has been considerable turnover. Newt the leader of that 1994 movement, is gone too, have you noticed? He's in the private sector now offering "American Solutions".

470 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:15:58pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

In 1995, the House Republicans called balancing the budget a "moral imperative".

Where is that imperative now?

Y2K was suppose to be 'The End". Neither party had a long term plan...that's why we're in this current meltdown.
//

471 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:16:01pm

re: #379 Killgore Trout

Actually, Bush was very active in trying to move the high deductible plans. It provided great tax incentives also.

Killgore, one of the first aspects of this "crisis" one needs to ask, is why a crisis? For 50 years now, we have employed in every state some type of government mechanism to help insure those at a financial disadvantage to do so.

The biggest problem we are going to face with avalanche which will be federal government run health care, is someone has to pay for it.

The borrowing from the Fed? They called it a down payment.

Every politician wants to have on their resume, their vote for getting everyone "covered" on their watch. One big problem. HHS is the largest part of our budget already. Add federal health care, off the charts.

This leads to next question. How do we pay for it? Those same politicians who want the credit for implementing it? They don't want their name attached to any bill increasing taxes to pay for it.

Something has to give. Do you know what this will be?

472 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:16:07pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

The best way to lower health care costs is to implement a solid eugenics program, to eliminate the weak and unfit who are a burden on society.

MEIN FUEHRER! I CAN VALK!

THAT"S how we can use all that fallow mine shaft space! Brilliant!/

473 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:16:30pm

re: #429 HoosierHoops

I've got 13.7 billion years of proof to back me up..

You're going to HELL! Straight to HELL! You will not pass go and just forget about that $200, you HEATHEN!

/Standard rant

474 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:16:32pm

re: #463 SteveC

People constantly refer to the bad systems outside of our borders, but for some there are two syllables that send cold shivers down their spines... and it is based right here in the US... TriCare (the system that the military, or at least the Air Force used when I was in).

475 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:16:48pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

You're quite the optimist. It's nice to know such people are still around.

I'm optimistic that the Obama lust will wear off eventually.

476 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:17:05pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

The best way to lower health care costs is to implement a solid eugenics program, to eliminate the weak and unfit who are a burden on society.

MEIN FUEHRER! I CAN VALK!

Youtube Video

//Bring out your dead. Bring out your dead.

477 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:17:22pm

re: #466 Cato the Elder

The alternative to multiculturalism is what?

First of all, define ¨multiculturalism¨ as you are using it in this sentence.

Re: European style health care (and other aspects of the cradle to grave welfare state)... sure, it was a fun party while it lasted. But it's unsustainable.

478 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

The best way to lower health care costs is to implement a solid eugenics program, to eliminate the weak and unfit who are a burden on society.

MEIN FUEHRER! I CAN VALK!

Hey OR!
I've got a long time buddy that moved to the Netherlands years ago..
I really like the health care system there..
I know it's a small country and everything works pretty dang good..But if we could ever scale it up...
I like the part..That even if you are out of work..and you get those dole checks..150 euro's are coming out for your insurance....Everybody pays..sorry about your luck..boo-hoo.. But the cool thing is my buddies insurance cost about the same as somebody getting the dole..
And for a extra 20 euro/month you can buy the premium healthcare program.. I know they are a small country..But it has worked out well for them.

479 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:17:56pm

re: #469 alegrias

* * * *
This ain't your 1995 bunch of House Republicans. There has been considerable turnover. Newt the leader of that 1994 movement, is gone too, have you noticed? He's in the private sector now offering "American Solutions".

Yes, actually. I have noticed that since Speaker Gingrich was forced from the party that fiscal conservatism has gone the way of the dodo. Not to mention our Congressional majority. A cynic might believe they're related.

480 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:18:09pm
481 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:18:26pm

re: #459 Dianna

KT, if you can possibly afford it, don't drop your health insurance.


I'm hanging on but I have to get a job to afford my insurance which means shutting down my business until times get better.

482 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:18:27pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Aw, heck, I can't go to sleep with this on my mind!
I am for you
yes I am
Yes I am
gee, I want to be for you forever
I are into you (?)
It's easy 2 see baby
You and I see eye to eye
O I'm for you
yes I am
yes I am
Gee, i want to be for you forever.

This reminds me of a guy in California I know that used to have the license plate SRIQ4.

Read it backwards.

483 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:18:52pm

I'd love to carry on, but I'm wiped out after a very busy week. Good night.

484 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:18:53pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

The best way to lower health care costs is to implement a solid eugenics program, to eliminate the weak and unfit who are a burden on society.

MEIN FUEHRER! I CAN VALK!

Either that, or we start this little company I've been thinking off. It's called the Solyent Corporation, see...

485 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:19:34pm

re: #477 Occasional Reader

Re: European style health care (and other aspects of the cradle to grave welfare state)... sure, it was a fun party while it lasted. But it's unsustainable.

Cough, cough. Tell that to the Germans, who have been sustaining it since - as I pointed out - the days of the Iron Chancellor.

486 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:19:36pm
487 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:19:48pm

re: #484 calcajun

Either that, or we start this little company I've been thinking off. It's called the Solyent Corporation, see...

Some say the Soylent Corporation makes good food, but I hear it varies from person to person.

488 Irenicum  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:19:49pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm so glad I got rid of cable!

489 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:20:21pm

re: #466 Cato the Elder

Interesting. I'm starting to rethink things.

490 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:20:23pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

Yes, actually. I have noticed that since Speaker Gingrich was forced from the party that fiscal conservatism has gone the way of the dodo. Not to mention our Congressional majority. A cynic might believe they're related.

Was it Gingrich's leaving the party or the inevitable result of governing that led to fiscal conservatism's going the way of the dodo?

491 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:20:49pm

re: #480 taxfreekiller

How is this.

All Democrats who want the Obama medical system can enroll in it and have fun with that.

All others can continue on with the current deal, see who quits their deal first.

like that

That's exactly the plan, you can keep your current insurance, or choose the government plan.

492 Wendya  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:20:52pm

Well, I'm not going to don sackcloth and ashes over some stupid old coot I've never heard of before. If it were the head of the RNC spouting off or the minority leader, I'd be concerned. What Hendren said is between him, Senator Schumer and the voters of his state.

493 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:21:11pm

re: #486 Iron Fist

It might or might not kill Kilgore (isn't that an amusing turn of phrase :-), but it will kill me. Or, might as well kill m. I'll go on the list of too expensive to support, and, thus, not worthy of coverage. As bad as the current system is, putting the government in charge of it will be worse. For nearly everyone.

Well, that IS the point of the thing--to weed out the weak old farts. (BTW, this group called AARP keeps sending me stuff- dunno why)

494 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:21:18pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

I'm hanging on but I have to get a job to afford my insurance which means shutting down my business until times get better.


Welcome to Capitalism.

495 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:21:36pm
497 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:22:13pm

re: #482 gmsc

This reminds me of a guy in California I know that used to have the license plate SRIQ4.

Read it backwards.

LOQT
I124Q
RU
---
18

[from my high-school geometry teacher - no longer safe for school]

498 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:22:26pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

In these tough economic times I'm on the brink of dropping my health insurance because I can't afford it. I have to pay my mortgage and my utility bills. After that I pay my grocery bills so I can eat. Then I can finally pay my health insurance. I haven't been to the dentist in a year because I can't afford it and my insurance doesn't cover it. If I dropped my insurance I could actually afford to go to the dentist and get some health care. I've been terribly sick and not gone into the doctor because I know that even though I pay my premiums they probably aren't going to cover whatever care I need. I'm paying a lot of money for a service that gives me nothing already. How is Obama's plan worse?

* * * *
So sorry you think your health insurance isn't worth using though you pay for it, and that your health isn't good. My sympathy.
Please call your nearest democrat government official, maybe they can direct you to an Obama clinic and you can compare for yourself which is better for you and your family.
My preference is different than yours.

499 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:22:31pm

Interesting piece at NPR about German healthcare:


Office-based doctors in Germany operate much like U.S. physicians do. They're private entrepreneurs who get a fee from insurers for every visit and every procedure they perform. The big difference is that groups of office-based physicians in every region negotiate with insurers to arrive at collective annual budgets.

Those doctor budgets get divided into quarterly amounts — a limited pot of money for each region. Once doctors collectively use up that money, that's it — there's no more until the next quarter.

It's a powerful incentive for doctors to exercise restraint — not to provide more care than is necessary. But often, the pot of money is exhausted before the end of the quarter.

That's why Leibl is chronically angry.

"I don't get paid at the moment," he said recently, near the end of a quarter. "I haven't been paid for what I'm doing for the last two or three weeks."

....
The average German primary-care doctor makes around $123,000 a year before taxes. That's about one-third less than the U.S. average.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

500 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:22:46pm

re: #435 flyers1974

No disrespect, but you are out of your mind.

I have lived this.

The drug abusing, working under the table, non-compliant, shit can sue his provider very easily.

I do rounds in the hospital, and the commercials are on the televisions 3-4 in a row in the patient's rooms.

I have been in orthopaedics for 20 years. It happens way more than you think.

501 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:23:18pm

re: #495 taxfreekiller

current wait for an MRI in Canada,, 6 to 8 weeks....

Current wait for an MRI for Killgore without insurance: never. Canada seems like a nice deal, eh?

502 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:23:19pm

re: #495 taxfreekiller

Really? That short of a wait time? I guess they have picked up their socks then.

/I wish I was being sarcastic....

503 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:23:38pm

re: #486 Iron Fist

I'll go on the list of too expensive to support, and, thus, not worthy of coverage. As bad as the current system is, putting the government in charge of it will be worse. For nearly everyone.

Move over, Iron Fist. We're sharing the same boat.

504 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:23:44pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

I'm hanging on but I have to get a job to afford my insurance which means shutting down my business until times get better.

I'm very much on your side, KT, and I understand the sheer pain. But...really, speaking as someone who has actually been poor enough that the bounty of the county was an option, hang on to your private insurance however you can. Really. I'm not kidding.

The difference in treatment I got when I collapsed on the street (without insurance) and when I got hit by a car (with insurance - not more than three months later), was flat out amazing.

Granted, the doctors (prior to blood tests) had no reason to think I wasn't a prostitute and drug user (given my neighborhood). But...trust me, you are treated better, faster, and more respectfully if you have insurance.

505 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:23:53pm
506 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:24:01pm

Uh... yeah

Useless fact of the day:

uh.com redirects to yeah.com.

(Which has a squatter on it. Which makes this whole thing zen hobo ninja awesome.)

Via CapLion.

507 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:24:04pm

re: #466 Cato the Elder

My understanding of multiculturalism (MC) is that it is premised on all cultures (i.e. ideas) being equal, and that what's good for one group isn't necessarily good for another. The one thing, other than geography, that distinguishes said groups is ethnicity/race, and as such it leads to the concept that a group's culture/ideas are inseparable from their ethnicity; which is the definition of racism.

I've noticed others use MC in another context (i.e. appreciating other culture's foods etc...), but that tends to be in colloquial, not academic, interactions I've had.

I wasn't here for that lack of a conversation, perhaps you could clarify what, precisely, you mean by MC?

508 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:24:07pm

re: #491 avanti

That's exactly the plan, you can keep your current insurance, or choose the government plan.

What happens to people who's employers do not offer any plans and that person certainly could not afford a plan by themselves?

I have heard nothing about this option.

509 RadicalRon  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:24:16pm
#396 Dianna

A very dear friend's cancer treatment ended up costing his survivors nothing. If you like irony, he'd gone into debt to make sure his workers had health care insurance. He didn't qualify.

Hi Dianna.

I knew someone who went through the same thing.

As far as I'm concerned, that type of conduct is criminal and the high poobahs of insurance companies engaged in such should be hung.

510 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:24:29pm

re: #486 Iron Fist

It might or might not kill Kilgore (isn't that an amusing turn of phrase :-), but it will kill me. Or, might as well kill m. I'll go on the list of too expensive to support, and, thus, not worthy of coverage. As bad as the current system is, putting the government in charge of it will be worse. For nearly everyone.

I have been in the uninsured and unemployed category. I know.

511 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #380 alegrias

* * * * *
People here say there IS no GOP leadership, the GOP is in disarray, then when Obama and democrats decide Rush Limbaugh, or Hannity or Ann Coulter are magically "elected" GOP officials, people take the bait.

It's amazing. No, Hannity, Beck etc. are not aberrations, they are TV/radio/media syndicated personalities, like the cartoon section of your paper.

They are like Hollywood people, like actors, NOT elected government representatives with real responsibilities!

I would only add that nobody has worked harder than the GOP over the past 10 years to make PR/image/fireworks indistinguishable from facts/logic/responsibility. They've succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, and it's too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Sow, reap, repeat.

512 Irenicum  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:25:41pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

You say Hannity, and I say insanity.
You say Hannity, and I say innanity.
Hannity, insanity,
innanity, Hannity.
Oh let's call the whole thing off!

513 Wendya  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:26:25pm

re: #273 avanti

Actually, I just read a article on 538.com that shows the GOP is losing the intellectual vote by it's shift the the social right.


So the "intellectuals" are voting for Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc...?

Oh please.

Obama ran a campaign that pandered to the people who are looking for a free ride.

514 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:26:27pm

Insurance companies have a license to steal.

515 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:26:29pm

re: #493 calcajun

Well, that IS the point of the thing--to weed out the weak old farts. (BTW, this group called AARP keeps sending me stuff- dunno why)

"There's gold in them thar old folks!"

516 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:26:51pm

re: #457 alegrias

Blagoyevich wouldn't touch John Edwards with a ten foot pole.

I wouldn't touch either of them with a 20-foot barge pole!

They are poster boys for the Demonrats.

517 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:27:03pm

re: #477 Occasional Reader

Sustainability isn't the issue. Individual rights is the issue since centralized health care forces individuals to pay for someone else's problem. The ability to be perpetual doesn't make something good, it is ancillary.

518 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:27:20pm

re: #500 formercorpsman

Furthermore, the person who dinged me up can attest to this as well.

They are in the same boat.

It is a massive problem.

519 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:27:39pm

re: #467 Floral Giraffe

Hey, great call on the stainless steel nuts, Went to the hardware store with a sample of the air hose and bought six snug fitting stainless nuts for a total of $1.93, tax included. Worked three on the end of each air hose and plunked them down on the side of the ceramic cat water bowls. Voila, two instant aerator/bubbler cat water bowls without the questionable $48 worth of extraneous leeching plastic that you couldn't thoroughly clean in a half hour.

/now, although they need filling more often, it's pull the unattached hose out, take 30 seconds to clean the bowl, refill, and drop the hose back in

520 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #501 Killgore Trout

Current wait for an MRI for Killgore without insurance: never. Canada seems like a nice deal, eh?

Not so, dear. Charity works better the worse off you are.

521 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:28:30pm

re: #500 formercorpsman

No disrespect, but you are out of your mind.

I have lived this.

The drug abusing, working under the table, non-compliant, shit can sue his provider very easily.

I do rounds in the hospital, and the commercials are on the televisions 3-4 in a row in the patient's rooms.

I have been in orthopaedics for 20 years. It happens way more than you think.

Believe me, I understand the concept of suing as an extra source of income. Where I live, there is a legend about people getting ON the bus after an accident not OFF in order to sue. And I am aware of the commercials. BUT. I like money as much as the next guy, if not more. If someone with a frivolous case comes to me to sue (and they have) I send them away. No easy settlement, and the case gets booted by the judge (as it should.) I don't disagree with your contention as to the number of people who try to sue - I disagree with the number of those bad cases that are taken up.

522 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:28:32pm
523 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:29:00pm
524 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:29:15pm

re: #521 flyers1974

Have you ever been sued?

525 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:29:19pm

re: #502 BlueCanuck

Really? That short of a wait time? I guess they have picked up their socks then.

/I wish I was being sarcastic....

Hey Blue! long time!
On topic..Canada didn't have the infrastructure to build on..
A mile from work there is a faculty that can do anything in the world..Regarding medical Technology.. If they need to make 5 million dollars a day to be profitable..well instead of a 3 hour wait..you'll be in and out in 20 minutes..with a sucker....

526 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:29:38pm

re: #490 flyers1974

Was it Gingrich's leaving the party or the inevitable result of governing that led to fiscal conservatism's going the way of the dodo?

That's an interesting question, but rather moot considering that fiscal conservatism lost it's only defender in 1999. There was no one else in the party to promote fiscal values, and we still have a void in that area.

527 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:30:02pm

re: #487 gmsc

Especially if it is green.

528 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:30:43pm

re: #524 formercorpsman

Reading that post again. I suspect you are an attorney.

May I ask where you practice?

As you may tell, this is VERY personal for me.

529 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:30:50pm

re: #465 flyers1974

I agree with everything you've stated. But, the issue isn't elected officials. It is leaders and leaders can be elected or unelected. Example - Michael Moore is not an elected democratic leader. However, you could make the argument (though with less justice than Limbaugh as GOP leader) that he was/is a Democratic/liberal leader.

* * * * *

Go ahead and make the argument that Oprah Winfrey and Michael Moore are unelected leaders of the democrat party, but I ain't buying it. They are entertainers with audiences which don't include me.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are perfect exemplars of democrat "leaders" for me, and they got the votes to prove it.

530 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:30:58pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

In these tough economic times I'm on the brink of dropping my health insurance because I can't afford it. I have to pay my mortgage and my utility bills. After that I pay my grocery bills so I can eat. Then I can finally pay my health insurance. I haven't been to the dentist in a year because I can't afford it and my insurance doesn't cover it. If I dropped my insurance I could actually afford to go to the dentist and get some health care. I've been terribly sick and not gone into the doctor because I know that even though I pay my premiums they probably aren't going to cover whatever care I need. I'm paying a lot of money for a service that gives me nothing already. How is Obama's plan worse?

I here ya KT, but nationalized medicine is the answer...the government can't manage their way out of a wet paper sack.
I pay almost 1500 a month for the health insurance coverage. My bi-weekly shots are run $1000 a pop. My health insurance premium is the first bill I pay each month. I never thought about the cost when someone else was footing the majority of the premium...now that I'm paying for it and have health issues I think about it everyday.

531 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:31:15pm

look at how social security is running out of money for baby boomers who have paid THEIR money in all their working lives and now will be hard pressed to get it back in their old age. look at medicare and medicad going broke.
these are gov't programs that have been looted. look at the veteran's hospitals.
not run very well at all. and the dmv, what a joke unless you have all day.
why would we trust gov't bureaucrats to run our health care? they are just not up to the job. imagine these gov't workers really having citizens best interest at heart. that can not last long. they will grumble abt. their day following rules and regs. that are impersonal and get less and less humane as the gov't h.c. system goes the way of social security, etc.

we need less gov't. there is more freedom w/ less gov't.

532 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:31:18pm

re: #496 Killgore Trout

Looks like a nice dish to go with corn beef and a red lager or flounder with scallops and a pale ale.

533 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:31:39pm
534 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:31:49pm

re: #523 taxfreekiller

Keep it simple.

If Obama is for it, its bad, he is a full raging commie loon, hates America,
he thinks his father deserted him, he blames all of us, its not real, the whole thing is an evil add campaign by the Chicago thug Democraps.

Don't know the value of an "upding" but you are getting the first I've given. And I don't know why. You are awesome.

535 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:31:50pm

re: #513 Wendya

False alternative. Not voting for the GOP is not the same as voting for Obama.

536 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:31:55pm

re: #509 RadicalRon

Hi Dianna.

I knew someone who went through the same thing.

As far as I'm concerned, that type of conduct is criminal and the high poobahs of insurance companies engaged in such should be hung.

Honestly? As much as I loved my friend, who was a screaming hypocrite - always advocating socialism while being a capitalist - there's a level at which I cannot help viewing it as being hoist by his own petard.

On the other hand, I would (frankly) be more than willing to trade the lives of a whole lot of drug addicts and dealers for his. I wouldn't have to think about it for half a second.

You don't have to tell me that this is seriously wrong. I know it.

537 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:32:09pm

re: #526 Sharmuta

I did not leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.
Paraphrasing RWR, IIRC, he said democrat way back when.

538 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:32:09pm

re: #534 flyers1974

Don't know the value of an "upding" but you are getting the first I've given. And I don't know why. You are awesome.

You gotta start somewhere!

539 slokat  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:32:14pm

re: #485 Cato the Elder

Hhmm, my daughter is currently in Germany.
Broke her foot two weeks ago & had to wait until yesterday to be seen by the Ortho doc and get a cast. Would've happened in less than three hours here in my town.

Plus even with health plan buy in that we had to pay for up front before she could live there, it cost eq. of $300.

So how is that better?

540 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:33:17pm

re: #539 slokat

Every single day in our practice.

541 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:34:30pm

re: #531 nyc redneck

look at how social security is running out of money for baby boomers who have paid THEIR money in all their working lives and now will be hard pressed to get it back in their old age. look at medicare and medicad going broke.
these are gov't programs that have been looted. look at the veteran's hospitals.
not run very well at all. and the dmv, what a joke unless you have all day.
why would we trust gov't bureaucrats to run our health care? they are just not up to the job. imagine these gov't workers really having citizens best interest at heart. that can not last long. they will grumble abt. their day following rules and regs. that are impersonal and get less and less humane as the gov't h.c. system goes the way of social security, etc.

we need less gov't. there is more freedom w/ less gov't.

I agree- but it's not just that they're bloated, it's that they don't even have to manage their money like a real business or household. The whole thing is a mess. Serious reform is needed, and a fiscally conservative candidate would be wise to propose a few ideas. Even a simple idea would do- simple enough as say, balancing the budget. What a radical concept.

542 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:34:37pm

re: #513 Wendya

So the "intellectuals" are voting for Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc...?

Oh please.

Obama ran a campaign that pandered to the people who are looking for a free ride.

Nate did not say it was intellectuals exclusively won the election, but the Dems did win every income demographic. It is true, they won bigger in the under 150K/year group though. The under 20K per year group makes your point about democratic domination of the low income group.
Here's a breakdown by state, income level and more.

543 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:34:59pm

OT, NatGeo is running a special on the HST repair mission.

544 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:35:14pm
545 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:35:23pm

re: #525 HoosierHoops

It's not just the infrasturcture problem it's also a dollar problem. They don't have the money for infrastructure because too many people go running to ER's or clinics the minute they get the sniffles. Also everyone qualifies practically for the Healthcare plan. Including most new immigrants. Thank goodness I don't get that sick that often.

546 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:35:29pm

re: #542 avanti

Nate did not say it was intellectuals exclusively won the election, but the Dems did win every income demographic. It is true, they won bigger in the under 150K/year group though. The under 20K per year group makes your point about democratic domination of the low income group.
Here's a breakdown by state, income level and more.

Forgot the link.

link

547 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:35:47pm

re: #491 avanti

That's exactly the plan, you can keep your current insurance, or choose the government plan.

Swell. So I (and my co) pay for my insurance. I (and my co) and other taxpayers pay for The O's plan.

The Obama plan would reduce the number of uninsured citizens, but it would not control costs in any significant way while demanding considerable increases in federal expenditures. Coverage expansion would be driven by enrollment in public plans in which the government would set benefit levels and provider reimbursement rates. Cost-savings would not come from fundamentally realigning economic incentives but would rely on dubious "if only' propositions related to changes in health care delivery.

Source of quote (yes, I know it's a conservative think tank, but still...) - [Link: www.heritage.org...]

548 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:36:21pm

re: #520 Dianna

Not so, dear. Charity works better the worse off you are.

The way the system is currently set up, many people, in order to qualify for "charity", have to first spend down whatever assets they have to nothing. Sell the house. Then you get great care but no longer have a place of your own to return to if you recover.

Why should Killgore's access to an MRI be based on the sheer accident of whether he happens to be employed - if his employer offers insurance, if that insurance is decent or a cherry-picking scam, if the hospital in question even accepts said insurance, if, if, if...?

549 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:36:31pm

re: #527 Macker

Especially if it is green.

But it's not easy being green.

Youtube Video
550 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:36:46pm

Pfizer offers free drugs to out-of-work Americans in case anyone who qualifies didn't see this....

551 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:36:56pm

Not really health care, but: I'm suing my insurance carrier for not honoring the business interruption insurance policy (Hurricane Ike wrecked the office). They claim 'insufficient documentation.'
I don't think suing would be an option in the case of government health insurance / health care. You would be dependent on the talents of whatever caregiver you drew.

552 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:37:14pm
553 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:37:17pm

Hannity is a great political commentator......FOR ME TO POOP ON

554 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:38:02pm

re: #519 Killian Bundy

Good news!
Can you now work on getting the plastic water jug to be glass? Then it'd be dishwasher friendly!

555 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:38:08pm

re: #548 Cato the Elder

Serious question, no snark intended.

State governments mandate you carry automobile insurance in order to get your car registered.

Should the government help with that cost?

556 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:38:25pm

re: #521 flyers1974

Believe me, I understand the concept of suing as an extra source of income. Where I live, there is a legend about people getting ON the bus after an accident not OFF in order to sue. And I am aware of the commercials. BUT. I like money as much as the next guy, if not more. If someone with a frivolous case comes to me to sue (and they have) I send them away. No easy settlement, and the case gets booted by the judge (as it should.) I don't disagree with your contention as to the number of people who try to sue - I disagree with the number of those bad cases that are taken up.


Yet, the attorney will 'stretch' the case so the client can go to physical therapy, etc., lots of dollars are spent during this time. Correct me if I'm wrong, the monies spent aren't medical insurance money, its car insurance money that covers the physical therapy.

557 mattm  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:38:28pm

Leno make a joke about Pelosi getting "tricked" by the supposedly stupid Bush.

558 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:38:33pm

re: #553 SpaceJesus

Hannity is a great political commentator......FOR ME TO POOP ON

SpaceJesusTriumph?

559 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:39:27pm

re: #548 Cato the Elder

The way the system is currently set up, many people, in order to qualify for "charity", have to first spend down whatever assets they have to nothing. Sell the house. Then you get great care but no longer have a place of your own to return to if you recover.

Why should Killgore's access to an MRI be based on the sheer accident of whether he happens to be employed - if his employer offers insurance, if that insurance is decent or a cherry-picking scam, if the hospital in question even accepts said insurance, if, if, if...?

Remember, KT pays his own insurance. I advise - on general principles - that he keep it.

That way, he gets treatment.

560 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:39:28pm

re: #509 RadicalRon

Hi Dianna.

I knew someone who went through the same thing.

As far as I'm concerned, that type of conduct is criminal and the high poobahs of insurance companies engaged in such should be hung.

Hanged.

To help you remember - two ladies are looking at a dead guy strung up by the neck in a tree. One lady crossly says to the other lady - OH! You said HUNG!

561 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:39:44pm
562 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:39:49pm

re: #556 outsidephilly

I have had patients tell me to my face, their attorney told them not to get better "too quick"

No shit.

563 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:39:55pm

If y'all want Blinky and Dirty Harry Reid and Chucky Schumer running your health care....YOU ARE FUCKING CRAZY!

564 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:40:16pm

re: #558 gmsc

What the frak is SpaceJesus smoking?

565 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:40:51pm

re: #548 Cato the Elder

Why should Killgore's access to an MRI be based be granted by anyone other than Killgore? Life is full of uncertainties, this is where the concept of insurance arose; casting many individuals' lots together to cover the costs of certain potential, but uncertain occurrences. This system breaks down when the group is forced to pay for definite occurrences (i.e. pre-existing conditions, "maintenance" health, etc...). Treating insurance like a subsidy destroys insurance. Treating others as though you deserve their property, destroys civil society.

566 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:41:00pm

re: #541 Sharmuta

I agree- but it's not just that they're bloated, it's that they don't even have to manage their money like a real business or household. The whole thing is a mess. Serious reform is needed, and a fiscally conservative candidate would be wise to propose a few ideas. Even a simple idea would do- simple enough as say, balancing the budget. What a radical concept.

exactly.
this is why we need less gov't controlling our lives. it just spins out of control too
easily.

567 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:41:01pm

re: #558 gmsc

SpaceJesusTriumph?

yep

568 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:41:38pm
569 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:41:45pm

re: #551 jaunte

Suing would not be an option due to "sovereign immunity".

570 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:03pm

re: #562 formercorpsman

I have had patients tell me to my face, their attorney told them not to get better "too quick"

No shit.

Ya got that right!
The client is encouraged to drag out the matter because its to their advantage UGH!

571 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:10pm

re: #556 outsidephilly

Yet, the attorney will 'stretch' the case so the client can go to physical therapy, etc., lots of dollars are spent during this time. Correct me if I'm wrong, the monies spent aren't medical insurance money, its car insurance money that covers the physical therapy.

You are absolutely correct in all you've stated. I'm making the distinction between medical malpractice cases and personal injury cases. To a lawyer, frivolous med mal case = no money, much lost time; frivolous car accident case = some money, not much time.

572 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:11pm

re: #568 Iron Fist

Crazy as a man eating rat shit and calling it caviar...

It's not?

573 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:13pm

Time to go. See you all later on.

574 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:31pm

Wouldn't it be cool to live in Europe? The NBA playoffs last a couple months..
It should be a federal law that during the play-offs because of late night games.. Nobody by law needs to go to work before noon...
And seriously..The Superbowl doesn't even kick off till 6:15pm.. Monday should be a public holiday..at least for SB hang overs..
Come on Lizards..The has got to be another 50 days in holidays we can get if we just unionize..
/LA is losing! yipee!

575 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:39pm

re: #568 Iron Fist
Hadn't heard that one!

576 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:54pm

re: #553 SpaceJesus

Hannity is a great political commentator......FOR ME TO POOP ON

SJ...clean up your act. Not a Hannity fan here either.

577 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:56pm

re: #553 SpaceJesus

Hannity is a great political commentator......FOR ME TO POOP ON

re: #564 Macker

What the frak is SpaceJesus smoking?

He's playing off Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, whose schtick is to apparently praise people, and then turn it into an insult by saying, "...for me to POOP ON!"

(I like the fact that schtick passes my spellchecker.)

578 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:42:57pm

[Link: www.aboutmcdonalds.com...]

579 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:43:12pm

re: #567 SpaceJesus

yep

Oh, please.

Just shut up. I'm in a bad mood, upset and depressed, and your nonsense just doesn't fucking help.

Excuse my language, but I'm just not in the fucking mood.

580 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:43:37pm
581 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:43:39pm

re: #569 Dan G.

Suing would not be an option due to "sovereign immunity".

So to extend the parallel, I would be required to pay in to the system, but when I needed something, a government functionary would tell me what I could and could not have, without appeal.

582 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:43:41pm
583 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #539 slokat

Hhmm, my daughter is currently in Germany.
Broke her foot two weeks ago & had to wait until yesterday to be seen by the Ortho doc and get a cast. Would've happened in less than three hours here in my town.

Plus even with health plan buy in that we had to pay for up front before she could live there, it cost eq. of $300.

So how is that better?

* * * *
I had a European relative who was a doctor and professor at a European medical school, and was a President of a medical society, come to America for cancer treatment.

European socialized medicine wasn't good enough for a foremost European medical doctor, he preferred the "broken" American medicine for himself.

584 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:44:12pm

re: #577 gmsc

OK lemme try this...SpaceJesus is a great Lizard...for me to POOP ON! There, I got it!

585 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:44:15pm

Think about this.

They nationalize health care.

Unions go after the employees.

586 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:44:17pm

re: #554 Floral Giraffe

Good news!
Can you now work on getting the plastic water jug to be glass? Then it'd be dishwasher friendly!

/glass pitcher, if Amazon doesn't sell it, it's crap and you don't need it anyway

587 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:44:58pm

re: #567 SpaceJesus

yep

That's all we need . . . a Triumph sockpuppet

588 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:45:19pm

re: #581 jaunte

Basically. Centralized health care is a trade of your freedom for mediocre/uncertain health.

589 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:45:31pm

re: #586 Killian Bundy
If it's not Scottish...it's CRAP!

590 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:45:38pm

re: #584 Macker

OK lemme try this...SpaceJesus is a great Lizard...for me to POOP ON! There, I got it!

You even worked in the ellipses, so the timing was right! Good job!

591 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:45:45pm

re: #571 flyers1974

You are absolutely correct in all you've stated. I'm making the distinction between medical malpractice cases and personal injury cases. To a lawyer, frivolous med mal case = no money, much lost time; frivolous car accident case = some money, not much time.


Although, many of these med mal cases aren't necessarily the fault to the physician. Sad to say, the nursing staff, at times, misreads an order. Yet, its the physician who is 'zinged'.

592 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:45:55pm

so much anger

593 nyc redneck  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:46:44pm

re: #585 formercorpsman

Think about this.

They nationalize health care.

Unions go after the employees.

now that is a frightening thought.
here come the piranas.

594 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:46:45pm
595 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:46:50pm

re: #553 SpaceJesus

Hannity is a great political commentator......FOR ME TO POOP ON

Well, he did volunteer to be waterboarded.

/his face would be covered, he'd never suspect it

596 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:46:54pm

re: #589 pingjockey

But does the converse hold... or is it fall prey to the No True Scotsman fallacy?
/

597 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:02pm

re: #592 SpaceJesus

so much anger

So little time!

598 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:05pm

re: #530 jorline

A few reasons why Government involvement in health care could help things financially.

If doctors aren't so concerned with lawsuits they may cut down on some of the tests they prescribe that aren't necessary. That goes double for the doctors who own the labs that get paid to run the tests. What a racket. Order a bevy of tests and get paid to do the tests.

If Hospitals aren't competing with the other Hospitals in town for patients they wouldn't all need to invest in the latest and greatest high-tech equipment and then steer patients toward it just to keep the thing busy. (eg.. MRI for a sore back)

And finally if the Government ran health care more people would die off before their time was due waiting around for operation and that would bring untold savings to the system.

National Health Care will save money but it won't save lives.

599 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:08pm

re: #591 outsidephilly

True, true. And doctors are overworked, no fault of their own.

600 ihateronpaul  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:13pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Ann Coulter defends this loser. She after all said that jews should be "perfected."

601 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:17pm

re: #583 alegrias

* * * *
I had a European relative who was a doctor and professor at a European medical school, and was a President of a medical society, come to America for cancer treatment.

European socialized medicine wasn't good enough for a foremost European medical doctor, he preferred the "broken" American medicine for himself.

I got sick once in London. I blame the damp. :D

My British friends all freaked out at the mention that I go to a doctor - and I mean seriously freaked out. You'd think I'd suggested jumping off a bridge. One of them got me some cough medicine - codeine - that saved me from coughing myself into little pieces. No clue how he got it - did not ask. I was grateful, to be sure.

602 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:27pm

re: #588 Dan G.

It's ok for the bulk of the bell-curve, but when you're really in need of care, or have a nonstandard condition, it will suck.

603 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:52pm

re: #595 Killian Bundy

Sick thing is... I might pay to watch that.

604 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:47:56pm

re: #596 Dan G.
Heh.

605 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #47 Charles

That's just pathetic. He wants to go back to the values he saw on the Andy Griffith Show.

Call on the clue phone: that was fiction. Mayberry was not a real place.

Which is why I found it hard to believe the Carolina Hurricanes actually won the Stanley Cup back in '06.

606 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:08pm

re: #578 formercorpsman

[Link: www.aboutmcdonalds.com...]


Oh ((formercorpsman)), point well made!

An intense lightning, thunder, rain storm has just kicked up here ............

607 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:14pm

re: #602 jaunte

I disagree... it'll suck across the whole spectrum.

608 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:25pm

re: #557 mattm

Leno make a joke about Pelosi getting "tricked" by the supposedly stupid Bush.

Evil genius?

Or incompetent moron?

The left still cannot make up their mind.

609 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:43pm

re: #571 flyers1974

Actually, I have had attorney offices fax me state Medicaid applications so when the auto benefit exhausts, the taxpayers pick up the tab.

Actually, PA Act 6 is the law that deals specifically with the prospect of auto carriers paying for medical costs.

PA Act 44 does it for worker's comp.

610 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:53pm

re: #592 SpaceJesus

so much anger

That is your own choice.

Live with it.

611 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:54pm

Grey Poupon?

612 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:48:59pm

re: #601 Catttt

I got sick once in London. I blame the damp. :D

My British friends all freaked out at the mention that I go to a doctor - and I mean seriously freaked out. You'd think I'd suggested jumping off a bridge. One of them got me some cough medicine - codeine - that saved me from coughing myself into little pieces. No clue how he got it - did not ask. I was grateful, to be sure.

Recently I heard (may have been here) that the WHO rates the NHS as one of the worst in the world. No link, as I say, I heard this somewhere, so I may not be 100 percent correct (or correct at all).

613 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:49:00pm

re: #607 Dan G.

I momentarily forgot about tfk's Acorn point.

614 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:49:08pm

re: #608 Racer X

Evil genius?

Or incompetent moron?

The left still cannot make up their mind.

The left have a mind? /

615 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:49:29pm

re: #599 flyers1974

True, true. And doctors are overworked, no fault of their own.


The nursing staff are seriously overloaded, also!

616 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:49:49pm

re: #608 Racer X

Evil genius?

Or incompetent moron?

The left still cannot make up their mind.

That sums it up perfectly for the Left. George W. Bush the incompetent evil genius buffoon.

617 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:50:16pm

re: #543 pingjockey

OT, NatGeo is running a special on the HST repair mission.

That's going to be quite the job, seeing as Johnny Depp shot him out of a cannon.

618 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:50:31pm

why can't I ding down my own comments?

619 Gella  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:50:44pm

re: #600 ihateronpaul

I wouldn't be surprised if Ann Coulter defends this loser. She after all said that jews should be "perfected."

hey we are perfect
////

620 ihateronpaul  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:50:59pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

the same place newt's morals went

ie

down the toilet

621 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:04pm

re: #618 SpaceJesus

why can't I ding down my own comments?

For the same reason you can't ding up your own comments.

622 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:10pm

re: #609 formercorpsman

Actually, I have had attorney offices fax me state Medicaid applications so when the auto benefit exhausts, the taxpayers pick up the tab.

Actually, PA Act 6 is the law that deals specifically with the prospect of auto carriers paying for medical costs.

PA Act 44 does it for worker's comp.

No kidding, that's a new one to me. I was born in Philly, but haven't lived there for a long time. I understand the legal culture there is pretty hard-core.

623 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:11pm

re: #598 Mich-again

Order a bevy of tests and get paid to do the tests.

This is because they cant be reimbursed for the direct treatment... sometimes. I know legitimate and devoted doc's who have to go through circuitous routes to get paid to do the necessary treatment. For example, if a patient is being treated for a chronic wound, sharp debridement (cutting off dead/infected tissue) won't be reimbursed. However, if the person is give treatment "X" or test "X" in addition to the sharp debridement, the doc can get his dues.

624 MandyManners  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:23pm

re: #618 SpaceJesus

why can't I ding down my own comments?

I helped you out.

625 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:34pm

re: #618 SpaceJesus

why can't I ding down my own comments?

It'll make hair grow on your palms.

626 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:45pm

re: #617 Noam Sayin'
Hahaha!

627 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:54pm

re: #616 Mich-again

That sums it up perfectly for the Left. George W. Bush the incompetent evil genius buffoon.

Sounds like they got their talking points from Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

628 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:51:55pm

re: #609 formercorpsman

Actually, I have had attorney offices fax me state Medicaid applications so when the auto benefit exhausts, the taxpayers pick up the tab.

Actually, PA Act 6 is the law that deals specifically with the prospect of auto carriers paying for medical costs.

PA Act 44 does it for worker's comp.


And let's remember, the outrageous paper trail that goes along with the lawsuit.......

629 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:00pm

Goodnight, dear Lizards. Babushka's ambien is kicking in. Must go to sleep.

630 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:03pm

re: #579 Dianna

Oh, please.

Just shut up. I'm in a bad mood, upset and depressed, and your nonsense just doesn't fucking help.

Excuse my language, but I'm just not in the fucking mood.

aw, does somebody have a case of the thursdays?

631 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:07pm

re: #559 Dianna

Remember, KT pays his own insurance. I advise - on general principles - that he keep it.

That way, he gets treatment.

Unless he doesn't.

It depends on the policy, doesn't it?

I lost my job in the first major wave of layoffs last year. Under my state's version of COBRA, I get to pay the full premium and keep my old company coverage for up to 18 months.

A few months ago I started to ask the woman who runs the company's policies (and happens to be the wife of the owner) whether I could keep paying the policy even after the 18 months run out. Because the jobs are not forthcoming in my field right now. Before I could finish she said, "Oh, don't worry, we'll cover you until you find something."

So, big relief and kudos to them for being menschen.

But what happens to people who can't make the monthly out-of-pocket premiums (they're unemployed, after all), or whose policies are crappy cherry-pickin' "we cover you till you get ill" scams, or whose former bosses don't give a damn? For that matter, would extended coverage à la COBRA even be a general option if it hadn't been written into law over the screeching and yowling of the "we've got the best system in the world" types?

And lastly, why in the hell should access to health care be tied to your job in the first place?

632 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:23pm
633 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:25pm

re: #593 nyc redneck

The one argument I feel confident in putting up here, is this.

I have been involved on so many levels in health care, from helping in reimbursement, to standing in pools of blood of blood on an operating room floor.

Yes, there are things which could be improved with our system.

Anyone who thinks creating the largest bureaucracy in American history with one of our crucial industries is just not seeing the big picture.

634 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:28pm

re: #618 SpaceJesus

why can't I ding down my own comments?

So you can't upding them.

Don't be silly.

635 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:37pm

re: #618 SpaceJesus

why can't I ding down my own comments?

So you can't...POOP on yourself!

636 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:52:54pm

Grey Poupon?

637 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:24pm

re: #617 Noam Sayin'

That's going to be quite the job, seeing as Johnny Depp shot him out of a cannon.

Don't say Johnny Depp. It's too distracting. Sigh.

638 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:33pm

re: #613 jaunte

You are also neglecting to think like a statist (I don't blame you). If the government is responsible for your health, then they can dictate what you do, in order to "prevent" you from getting sick. Goodbye sushi, rare steaks, (fill in the scary food or activity of the moment).

639 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:40pm

re: #616 Mich-again

That sums it up perfectly for the Left. George W. Bush the incompetent evil genius buffoon.

Funny how political rhetoric is the same no matter where you are on the spectrum - I've heard the same about Obama, devious, political mastermind, yet so stupid that we are all going down.

640 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:54pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

Grey Poupon?

Yes..I believe i will..thank you

641 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:56pm

re: #598 Mich-again

You do know why some of these physicians have started implementing things like in house labs, right?

642 Irenicum  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:57pm

re: #145 alegrias

It's all rather standard practice. The weaker position you're in, the more flags flying or being worn. It's a totally bipartisan and crass political exercise.

643 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:53:58pm

re: #638 Dan G.

Alar-packed apples?

644 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:12pm

re: #627 Catttt

Sounds like they got their talking points from Killer C Klowns from Outer Space.

You asked for it.

Youtube Video
645 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:14pm

re: #618 SpaceJesus

Just ask, I'm sure other would oblige.

646 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:22pm

re: #630 SpaceJesus

aw, does somebody have a case of the thursdays?

Thursday is my Friday, so I have Fridays.

647 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:33pm

re: #631 Cato the Elder

Unless he doesn't.

It depends on the policy, doesn't it?

I lost my job in the first major wave of layoffs last year. Under my state's version of COBRA, I get to pay the full premium and keep my old company coverage for up to 18 months.

A few months ago I started to ask the woman who runs the company's policies (and happens to be the wife of the owner) whether I could keep paying the policy even after the 18 months run out. Because the jobs are not forthcoming in my field right now. Before I could finish she said, "Oh, don't worry, we'll cover you until you find something."

So, big relief and kudos to them for being menschen.

But what happens to people who can't make the monthly out-of-pocket premiums (they're unemployed, after all), or whose policies are crappy cherry-pickin' "we cover you till you get ill" scams, or whose former bosses don't give a damn? For that matter, would extended coverage à la COBRA even be a general option if it hadn't been written into law over the screeching and yowling of the "we've got the best system in the world" types?

And lastly, why in the hell should access to health care be tied to your job in the first place?

Not from what KT - a single male - is describing.

Oh, lordy, I have no answer to the last, except that it's an historical outgrowth. That was one way companies attracted workers, back when.

648 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:41pm

re: #637 Catttt
Johnny Depp
Johnny Depp
Johnny Depp

649 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:46pm

re: #643 jaunte

Allah Alar-packed apples?

650 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:54:53pm

re: #644 Macker

You asked for it.

[Video]

Thank you, no. Once is enough. It was like watching a car accident.

651 Drudge Potato Al  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:55:10pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Dick Morris has said on a regular basis that he viewed Hillary as anti-semitic based on her actions around him.

652 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:55:14pm

Dear Leader recommends pine needle soup, for health and economy.

653 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:55:42pm

re: #631 Cato the Elder

I found private health insurance for almost 25% less than my COBRA was costing. Bigger deductible was OK with me, I have it as "disaster" insurance anyway.

654 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:55:45pm

re: #650 Catttt

I watch that movie every Halloween.

655 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:55:58pm

Interesting discussion tonight. Much to think about but I'm happy to see a lot of Lizards thinking outside the box.

656 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:02pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

Grey Poupon?

No thank you, I have my own.

657 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #643 jaunte
BULLSHIT! That dumb ass broad didn't know what the fuck she was talking about!

658 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:19pm

/Namaste, Y'all

659 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:23pm

re: #648 pingjockey

Johnny Depp
Johnny Depp
Johnny Depp

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrghhh. That does it!

Youtube Video
660 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:27pm

re: #652 jaunte

Dear Leader recommends pine needle soup, for health and economy.

Yummy..we need some pine needle soups for the cookbook.
/

661 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:42pm

re: #631 Cato the Elder

And lastly, why in the hell should access to health care be tied to your job in the first place?

The same reason access to food, shelter, or anything that costs money is... unless I'm misunderstanding you.

662 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:54pm

re: #623 Dan G.

This is because they cant be reimbursed for the direct treatment... sometimes. I know legitimate and devoted doc's who have to go through circuitous routes to get paid to do the necessary treatment.

Its all a big game right now. Patients pay different prices for the same services based on whether they have insurance or not. Doctors bill office visits as treatments so the insurance company will pay them. The most valuable person in the doctor's office is a toss up between the doctor and the billing clerk. Its like a lot of businesses. Anyone can get work, the trick is getting paid.

663 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:56:59pm

re: #630 SpaceJesus

aw, does somebody have a case of the thursdays?

Forgive me.

I have spent two weeks dealing with my mother's situation. Which, frankly, is based on a combination of my (deceased - so I can't yell at him) father's sustained illness and bad judgement and her increasing fright and desperation.

So, just fucking fuck off. I'm so not in the mood that I can't begin to describe my level of intolerance.

664 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:57:11pm

re: #651 Drudge Potato Al

Dick Morris has said on a regular basis that he viewed Hillary as anti-semitic based on her actions around him.

Dick Morris has been fueding with Bill/Hillary for a long time. Don't think he's a credible source on her.

665 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:57:18pm

re: #659 Catttt
HEHEHE!

666 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:57:22pm

re: #655 Killgore Trout

Interesting discussion tonight. Much to think about but I'm happy to see a lot of Lizards thinking outside the box.

What I don't understand about your comments on health insurance is you mention you can't use yours for anything you need taken care of. That does not compute?

667 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:57:25pm

re: #622 flyers1974

No kidding, that's a new one to me. I was born in Philly, but haven't lived there for a long time. I understand the legal culture there is pretty hard-core.


Lately, I am running my friend's law office in the local county seat. Talk about an eye opener! My professional background is in medicine, I am seeing tactics that, quite frankly, are a bit disconcerting!

668 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:58:01pm

re: #602 jaunte

It's ok for the bulk of the bell-curve, but when you're really in need of care, or have a nonstandard condition, it will suck.

The total cost of surgery for Congenital Heart Defect patients per year: at least 2.2 billion dollars.

669 pingjockey  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:58:26pm

Goodnight folks!

670 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:58:57pm

re: #622 flyers1974

I can tell you from first hand experience, having to defend yourself from the fucking scum of the earth, who you put your own health at risk for, working all night to save their fucking legs from their own stupidity, never even getting paid for it, having them not comply with any order you give them, have one attorney turn the case down, only to have another attorney who needs to feed take the case?

Yeah.

Sitting through a trial, seeing your reputation be torn to shreds over superfluous bullshit, from some cocksucker who thinks it is only business, hoping to sweat you out to make a deal.

All bullshit. Furthermore, they all try to get the cases moved to Philadelphia.

Judge Messiah Jackson.

671 Drudge Potato Al  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:59:10pm

re: #664 flyers1974

I would agree but he was regularly providing feedback to Bill and so was she. He mentions the "rearranging the furniture" anecdote on several occasions. This was in referrence to a specific incident that involved all three of them strategizing before the '96 election.

672 avanti  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #669 pingjockey

Goodnight folks!

Goodnight, I'm heading that way too.

673 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 8:59:50pm

re: #629 Alouette

Goodnight, dear Lizards. Babushka's ambien is kicking in. Must go to sleep.

*waves watch in front of eyes* You are getting very, very sleeeeeeeepy.....

674 jaunte  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:00:00pm

re: #668 SteveC

My daughter continues to breathe regularly because of a drug that costs $900 a month. I'm pretty sure it will be designated unproven or experimental if Obamacare happens.

675 Wendya  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:00:08pm

re: #535 Dan G.

False alternative. Not voting for the GOP is not the same as voting for Obama.

Even with the other two right side candidate vote totals, McCain still would not have won. So either they voted for Obama, Nader, McKinney or they sat out the election in which case they just didn't give a shit and probably wouldn't have voted in any case.

676 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:00:22pm

re: #663 Dianna

If I could give you 1,000 updings I would!

677 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:00:54pm

re: #663 Dianna

You threatened me with your Male's black belt, but not this asshole? ;)

678 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:00:59pm

re: #601 Catttt

I feel lucky....when I had a really nasty bug, the friends who we stay with sent me to their private MD...he was superb, and prescribed a med that I really hated, Cipro...but it worked. Our insurance here would not cover it, as the bill from the MD and the Cip were not high enough. And I went to the local Boots for it.

He talked to us after the thorough exam, and as I am a Type II diabetic, he really was very good. His surname is the same as an avenue near us, and I mentioned it. It was family of his who came here in the 1700's...his ancestor was a Lord, no less, and their estate in the UK is open to visitors. Apparently the ancestor was in trouble, and took his family here.

We stay in Bromley, a London suburb, that is actually in Kent. When we got back to the States, my endocrinologist was very impressed with how thoroughly the internist in London took care of me.

Now my endocrinologist and the practice he is a part of is so overwhelmed with patients that I wish the MD in London would come here.

When we go, for our 12-week check up, it is like being on a moving sidewalk. Ugh.

679 J.S.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:01:50pm

re: #647 Dianna

And, until a recent alteration , here in Alberta, Canada, whether you paid the Alberta government for health care, or your employer paid the cost for its employees, it all depended on the employer. If the company was large enouch, then the employee might be lucky enough to have the preminums covered by the employer -- but in some samller companies, there was no coverage -- thus the employee would have to make payments to the Alberta government....(each province in Canada has a different arrangement with respect to Health Care).

680 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:01:54pm

re: #667 outsidephilly

Lately, I am running my friend's law office in the local county seat. Talk about an eye opener! My professional background is in medicine, I am seeing tactics that, quite frankly, are a bit disconcerting!

I bet. I've heard the lawyers there aren't exactly collegial towards one another. Any truth to that? Here in Maryland, people are reasonably civil for the most part - but then again, its a smaller world here as opposed to your neck of the woods.

681 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:02:06pm

re: #676 Macker

Thanks!

But confessing intolerance to SpaceJesus is along the lines of chumming a large group (they're not schools, are they?) of sharks.

682 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:02:49pm

re: #675 Wendya

I voted a write in, not because I didn't give a shit, but because our options were feces or shit. Your generalizations are incorrect.

683 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:00pm

re: #681 Dianna

It should know better, but it doesn't.

684 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:01pm

re: #663 Dianna

{ { {Dianna} } }

Not only a hug, but I promise more pics of hot guys and maybe more dirty English teacher / grammar jokes. :D

685 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #615 outsidephilly

At my age, I am not about to return to being an RN...but if I were much younger, I do not think I would last more than 3 days. Tragic.

686 MandyManners  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:08pm

re: #630 SpaceJesus

*WHACK*

687 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #680 flyers1974

Cecil?

688 alegrias  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:45pm

re: #642 Irenicum

It's all rather standard practice. The weaker position you're in, the more flags flying or being worn. It's a totally bipartisan and crass political exercise.

* * * *
Don't pull that relativist moral equivalence "everyone does it" with me.

It was the GOP that took abuse for defending our liberation of Iraq, from democrats who preferred Saddam Hussein's leadership.

And it was Democrat Dick Durbin who called our troops Nazis, it was Obama's supporter/colleague Bill Ayers who photographed himself in the New York Times stepping on the US flag; it was Harry Reid who said the US lost the war in Iraq, seemingly rooting for the bad guys.

689 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:54pm

re: #677 Dan G.

You threatened me with your Male's black belt, but not this asshole? ;)

Oh, Dan!

I'm a blue with black stripe.

My male could stop in time. He should be much more frightened of me - I'm likely to hurt him because I only know the technique, not the break point.

690 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:03:59pm

re: #686 MandyManners

Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!

/Cheech_y_Chong

691 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:01pm

re: #598 Mich-again

A few reasons why Government involvement in health care could help things financially.

If doctors aren't so concerned with lawsuits they may cut down on some of the tests they prescribe that aren't necessary. That goes double for the doctors who own the labs that get paid to run the tests. What a racket. Order a bevy of tests and get paid to do the tests.

If Hospitals aren't competing with the other Hospitals in town for patients they wouldn't all need to invest in the latest and greatest high-tech equipment and then steer patients toward it just to keep the thing busy. (eg.. MRI for a sore back)

And finally if the Government ran health care more people would die off before their time was due waiting around for operation and that would bring untold savings to the system.

National Health Care will save money but it won't save lives.

That's what I'm afraid of...lol

Go to any ER at 2:00am and see who's there. My wife had a very bad migraine several years ago and I was blown away. Bar knife fight victim, boy friend beat up his girlfriend, five kids with the sniffles and a whole lot more...we sat there for two hours with my health insurance card and checkbook in hand.

692 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #686 MandyManners

*WHACK*

This proves that SJ has a useful purpose her. Being whacked.

693 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:16pm

Musical Interlude

Youtube Video
694 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:25pm

Spacejesus:
Is there anyone you have not pissed off, insulted, upset or caused distress to? You must be proud of yourself...

695 Wendya  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:31pm

re: #682 Dan G.

I voted a write in, not because I didn't give a shit, but because our options were feces or shit. Your generalizations are incorrect.

If you wrote in a candidate, you didn't give a shit. Sorry, but for those of us living in the real world it was a two person race and you vote for the one that was either less offensive or more in line with your beliefs. Writing in a name is like saying "fuck you" I don't want to play.

696 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:44pm

re: #686 MandyManners

*WHACK*

"You shoulda seen that home run Mandy hit that one time. That one brought rain."

697 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:04:50pm

re: #689 Dianna

;)

698 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:05:01pm

re: #684 Catttt

Ta, Catttt.

Rotten couple weeks.

699 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:05:18pm

re: #689 Dianna

Oh, Dan!

I'm a blue with black stripe.

My male could stop in time. He should be much more frightened of me - I'm likely to hurt him because I only know the technique, not the break point.

I don't even have a belt, but I fight dirty.

700 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:05:34pm

re: #694 HoosierHoops

Spacejesus:
Is there anyone you have not pissed off, insulted, upset or caused distress to? You must be proud of yourself...

Well, since he wants to downding his own comments, he hasn't yet...POOPED on himself!

701 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:06:08pm

Rockets look like they are jacked up on amphetamines.

Lakers look like they took a Valium.

702 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:06:08pm

re: #698 Dianna

Ta, Catttt.

Rotten couple weeks.

I know what you mean. This too shall pass. (Anyone remember Myron Cohen's routine on that phrase?)

703 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:06:50pm

re: #699 Catttt

I don't even have a belt, but I fight dirty.

I've got a black belt. If I don't use it, my pants fall down!

704 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:07:37pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

Grey Poupon?

Grey Poopon=bird shit.

705 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:07:51pm

re: #695 Wendya

Go fuck yourself. There was NO difference between Obama and McCain. You think that pretending that there was a difference makes you mature, or realistic? Bullshit. They were equally offensive to my values. To have casted a vote for one or the other is to either explicitly endorse their values, or to just vote inertially for The Party (which ever that might be).

706 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:07:51pm

re: #670 formercorpsman

I can tell you from first hand experience, having to defend yourself from the fucking scum of the earth, who you put your own health at risk for, working all night to save their fucking legs from their own stupidity, never even getting paid for it, having them not comply with any order you give them, have one attorney turn the case down, only to have another attorney who needs to feed take the case?

Yeah.

Sitting through a trial, seeing your reputation be torn to shreds over superfluous bullshit, from some cocksucker who thinks it is only business, hoping to sweat you out to make a deal.

All bullshit. Furthermore, they all try to get the cases moved to Philadelphia.

Judge Messiah Jackson.

I see what you're saying, people have no conscience when it comes to money. Nothing worse than helping someone and having them turn on you because they think they can "get paid." I've seen some very devious Plaintiffs. Like I said, cost/benefit analysis usually weeds those cases out in med mal (but not always of course.) But it is amazing how people get at working the system.

707 MandyManners  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:09:01pm

re: #688 alegrias

* * * *
Don't pull that relativist moral equivalence "everyone does it" with me.

It was the GOP that took abuse for defending our liberation of Iraq, from democrats who preferred Saddam Hussein's leadership.

And it was Democrat Dick Durbin who called our troops Nazis, it was Obama's supporter/colleague Bill Ayers who photographed himself in the New York Times stepping on the US flag; it was Harry Reid who said the US lost the war in Iraq, seemingly rooting for the bad guys.

It was really strange that that photograph and article appeared on 9-11-01.

708 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:09:06pm

re: #663 Dianna

So, just fucking fuck off. I'm so not in the mood that I can't begin to describe my level of intolerance.


:(

709 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:09:12pm

re: #663 Dianna

Dianna, I hope your situation is improving.
{Dianna}

710 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:09:24pm

re: #680 flyers1974

I bet. I've heard the lawyers there aren't exactly collegial towards one another. Any truth to that? Here in Maryland, people are reasonably civil for the most part - but then again, its a smaller world here as opposed to your neck of the woods.


The attorneys here are an interesting bunch....., males don't like females, females don't like the males. This permeates within the attorney's staff, as well!

I don't 'play' those games, and I am getting a rather positive reputation around town because I'm not interested in that sort of nonsense. It also helps that I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm not shy about asking for help - I understand that's not normally done in the legal profession.

I'm gonna sign off, this lightning storm is REALLY kicking up!
good night, all!

711 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:09:26pm

re: #708 SpaceJesus

:(

Say sorry and mean it.

712 Racer X  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:09:47pm

re: #705 Dan G.

There was NO difference between Obama and McCain.

?

Really?

713 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:10:22pm

re: #712 Racer X

Pray tell.

714 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:10:27pm

re: #687 formercorpsman


The city before now the county. I used to live a hop, skip and jump from Elkton however.

715 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:10:35pm

re: #705 Dan G.

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT! McCain was tortured by the Dirty Fucking Communists. БХО IS a Dirty Fucking Communist.

716 outsidephilly  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:10:46pm

re: #685 NY Nana

At my age, I am not about to return to being an RN...but if I were much younger, I do not think I would last more than 3 days. Tragic.

The nursing staff bust their butts, constantly..........

717 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:11:00pm

re: #702 Catttt

This too shall pass.

The only possible wisdom one human being can offer to another.

718 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:11:05pm

re: #705 Dan G.

There was NO difference between Obama and McCain. You think that pretending that there was a difference makes you mature, or realistic? Bullshit. They were equally offensive to my values.

I am curious who you wrote in for? Hillary? Ron Paul? Lyndon LaRouche?

719 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:11:07pm

re: #705 Dan G.

Major, huge bullfeathers.

720 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:11:19pm

re: #715 Macker

Huh? What does that have to do with their political philosophy?

721 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:11:56pm

re: #710 outsidephilly

The attorneys here are an interesting bunch....., males don't like females, females don't like the males. This permeates within the attorney's staff, as well!

I don't 'play' those games, and I am getting a rather positive reputation around town because I'm not interested in that sort of nonsense. It also helps that I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm not shy about asking for help - I understand that's not normally done in the legal profession.

I'm gonna sign off, this lightning storm is REALLY kicking up!
good night, all!

Interesting, not much of that here, although I think the older attorneys are a different breed. Good night, I'm out soon as well.

722 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:12:17pm

re: #719 Catttt

Major, huge bullfeathers.

Wasn't that just beautiful. I was equally repelled by both candidates!

723 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:12:26pm

re: #718 Mich-again

None of the above.

724 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:12:33pm

re: #706 flyers1974

It is a crisis to the proportion, that it helped contribute to one of our best neurosurgeons going to Texas for better malpractice rates.

The county trauma facility forfeiting their trauma license from the State in part, because of it.

2 of the hospitals we deal with have no OB coverage anymore because of it.

That is the crisis.

Please don't take my tone personally. I have a couple of issues close to my heart, this is one of them. The troops, if not more.

725 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:12:50pm

re: #701 Racer X

Rockets look like they are jacked up on amphetamines.

Lakers look like they took a Valium.

High school teams shoot 30%, and, apparently so do the Lakers. Add that to a matador defense and they make Houston look a team of All-Stars.

726 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:13:48pm

While Obama aspires to drag this country into statism, McCain sponsored major legislation towards that end (McCain-Feingold)... for starters.

727 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:13:54pm

re: #723 Dan G.

None of the above.

You waited in line at the polls so you could write in "none of the above" on the ballot? C'mon. No way.

728 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:14:02pm

re: #714 flyers1974

You can always hit me up at my name plus yahoo.com.

729 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:14:19pm

re: #720 Dan G.

Huh? What does that have to do with their political philosophy?

Because the REAL Enemy is the god damn Islamofascists. McCain vowed he'd chase OBL and the rest of his ilk to the Gates of Hell. And as we all know now, الرئيس أوباما bows to them.

730 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:14:33pm

re: #724 formercorpsman

It is a crisis to the proportion, that it helped contribute to one of our best neurosurgeons going to Texas for better malpractice rates.

The county trauma facility forfeiting their trauma license from the State in part, because of it.

2 of the hospitals we deal with have no OB coverage anymore because of it.

That is the crisis.

Please don't take my tone personally. I have a couple of issues close to my heart, this is one of them. The troops, if not more.

Not taken personally, nothing wrong with having strong feelings, especially if you're in the thick of things.

731 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:14:45pm

re: #716 outsidephilly

The nursing staff bust their butts, constantly..........

That they do, and even though the pay is much higher than it was in my day, I cannot tell you how much I admire them. From what I have heard, burnout is a sad condition that is sadly prevalent all over. As far as I am concerned, they cannot pay the RN's enough.

732 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:15:22pm

re: #727 Mich-again

That's not what I wrote smart ass. Who I voted for is not your concern. This conversation can continue without that information.

What distinguishing characteristics are you implying make them significantly different?

733 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #705 Dan G.

There was NO difference between Obama and McCain.

Except for their voting records, views of geovernment, and experience you're 100% correct.

734 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:15:58pm

re: #724 formercorpsman

G-d bless you.

735 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:15:58pm

re: #729 Macker

Fuck that! The man who sponsors anti-Freedom of speech legislation is the REAL enemy.

736 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:16:15pm

Like it or not when it comes to the office of President we have a 2-party system. If you don't agree, reacquaint yourself with the tie-breaker rules for when no Presidential candidate wins a majority of electoral votes.

737 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:16:15pm

re: #717 Dianna

The only possible wisdom one human being can offer to another.

And, if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
I say that to myself, a lot......

738 pat  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:16:55pm

When a candidate selects a person's religion or ethnicity or color before commenting on character, as the decisive adjective to which the subject is drawn, it says that that candidate does not need to be in office. We get way too much of this from the PC police as it is.

739 MandyManners  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:17:04pm

Nighty-night, Lizards.

Before I go, ((((((Dianna)))))). I hope tomorrow is good to you.

740 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:17:14pm

re: #733 solomonpanting

Elaborate on view of government... I'm pretty sure that McCain sponsored legislation against the freedom of speech. How about some substance instead of vague sardonic responses?

741 SteveC  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:17:14pm

Judge Tolliver speaks!

(You gotta click the links!)

742 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #735 Dan G.

Fuck that! The man who sponsors anti-Freedom of speech legislation is the REAL enemy.

And it bit him in the ass for that. Still, there'd still be some semblance of stability if he were in, instead of that guy who asks our enemies to Unclench their Fists.

743 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:17:50pm

re: #720 Dan G.

Huh? What does that have to do with their political philosophy?

If you don't know, our explaining it to you will be fruitless.

744 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:18:17pm

re: #732 Dan G.

Let me guess, the Libertarian? Whatever.

745 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:18:18pm

re: #734 NY Nana

You too dear. I think I am going to have a beer, and get to bed.

It was a good discussion tonight. All of us may not agree on everything, and I may curse, (well I was a Sailor who spent most of my time with the Marine Corps) but all in all, pretty good discourse.

746 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:18:21pm

re: #733 solomonpanting

An McCain shot himself in the foot with the "experience" difference in choosing Palin.

747 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:18:42pm

re: #737 Floral Giraffe

And, if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
I say that to myself, a lot......

I must disagree with that! Sometimes it just kills you more slowly.

748 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:01pm

re: #744 Mich-again

Nope, nice try. You are avoiding conversation by trying to fit me to some pre-derived "write off" you have.

749 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:07pm

re: #631 Cato the Elder

Unless he doesn't.

It depends on the policy, doesn't it?

I lost my job in the first major wave of layoffs last year. Under my state's version of COBRA, I get to pay the full premium and keep my old company coverage for up to 18 months.

A few months ago I started to ask the woman who runs the company's policies (and happens to be the wife of the owner) whether I could keep paying the policy even after the 18 months run out. Because the jobs are not forthcoming in my field right now. Before I could finish she said, "Oh, don't worry, we'll cover you until you find something."

So, big relief and kudos to them for being menschen.

But what happens to people who can't make the monthly out-of-pocket premiums (they're unemployed, after all), or whose policies are crappy cherry-pickin' "we cover you till you get ill" scams, or whose former bosses don't give a damn? For that matter, would extended coverage à la COBRA even be a general option if it hadn't been written into law over the screeching and yowling of the "we've got the best system in the world" types?

And lastly, why in the hell should access to health care be tied to your job in the first place?

I have two thoughts here on health care Cato.
First of all Medicare to get BASIC health insurance and the 20% "gap" medicare doesn't cover between what Medicare allows and what you have to pay, as well as a supplemental drug policy (it's not supplemental at all; unless it's drugs you get in a hospital, its prescription coverage) costs just about as much as COBRA. And historically most folks didn't have health insurance because medical costs were sufficiently low that most employed folks - even self-employed or farmers - could afford to pay for their medical care. Then came SCIENCE! Science was discovering all sorts of ways to detect and treat all sorts of illnesses - diabetes, breast cancer, prostate cancer, heart attacks, pacemakers etc. etc. Yea for Science!
But all that research and development had to be paid for somehow. Folks were not going to invest literally HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars to develope insulin, chemotherapy(ies - they are different for different types of cancer) pacemakers and etc without getting a return on their investment. Period.
And suddenly, health insurance companies - seeing an untapped market, did some ole fashioned cost-benefit analysis and said "hey we can make a profit here, just the way Life Insurance Companies do through their use of actuarial tables.'
But as science developed more and more diagnostic tools and treatment tools/medications, health insurance companies - again, to continue making profits, had to either dramatically raise premiums or increased deductibles or both.
And suddenly MOST people who don't make what say Michelle Obama made in the Private Sector couldn't afford to pay for medical proceedures and tests and what-not out of their own pocket.
So the question is: How do we keep medical research going strong (stronger actually) without someone paying for it?

750 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:09pm

re: #737 Floral Giraffe

And, if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
I say that to myself, a lot......

True, that. A corollary - youth is wasted on the young.

751 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #740 Dan G.

Elaborate on view of government... I'm pretty sure that McCain sponsored legislation against the freedom of speech. How about some substance instead of vague sardonic responses?

Sorry, but I'm not gonna do your research. Where were you last year?

752 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:37pm

re: #745 formercorpsman

Excellent post, and you can never be thanked enough for your service.

Sweet dreams!

753 Wendya  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:50pm

re: #705 Dan G.

Go fuck yourself. There was NO difference between Obama and McCain. You think that pretending that there was a difference makes you mature, or realistic? Bullshit. They were equally offensive to my values. To have casted a vote for one or the other is to either explicitly endorse their values, or to just vote inertially for The Party (which ever that might be).

Just like I said. You took your toys and went home in a huff.

Just what makes you think you're going to get a candidate who meets all your criteria? That has NEVER been the case in the history of this country.

754 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:19:52pm

re: #747 Dianna

I must disagree with that! Sometimes it just kills you more slowly.

or softly, with its song. /;D

755 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:20:25pm

re: #749 realwest

Nice to see you RW..

756 Dianna  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:20:33pm

re: #754 Catttt

or softly, with its song. /;D

Oh, well played!

757 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:20:59pm

re: #738 pat

You just nailed what I was unable to put to words regarding this thread topic.

It was my first thought with respect to the derogatory reference.

What the hell did him being Jewish have to do with any of it?

Very telling. He has my vote...... to leave the party now.

758 flyers1974  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:21:10pm

re: #745 formercorpsman

Enjoy your beer, I'm gonna do the same thing. Good night everyone.

759 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #743 Catttt

Ah... for those who know, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, none is possible... If it is so obvious, just spill it out in a sentence or two.

McCain is just as statist as Obama is despite their different backgrounds, period.

760 kahall  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:22:35pm

Things are really getting weird around here. (I'm in MO.) About 5 months ago I see some Nazi dufusses at Wal-Mart which I have mentioned here before. They were flyering windshields.
Today we check the mail and there is the most disgusting newsletter laying on the ground next to the mail box. Wrapped up in a rubber band which means it did not just blow in my yard from nowhere. I won't mention the name of the newsletter but the sub-title I guess it is called is....."It's the Jews, Stupid." I looked through it and it is full of some bizarre stuff, very hate filled and just flat out racist. All through out it lectures you by starting out with "Hey White Man..."
I have never seen this kind of stuff around here before and this news letter is published here in town. I have not seen anything this vile even on the net. I know it is out there but I don't look for it so I have not seen it. I can't seem to avoid it.

761 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:22:35pm

re: #751 solomonpanting

Dodge. They're both statists. No one is replying about McCain's attack on the freedom of speech... interesting.

762 formercorpsman  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:23:19pm

re: #758 flyers1974

Likewise.

Good night folks.

763 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:23:35pm

re: #633 formercorpsman

The one argument I feel confident in putting up here, is this.

I have been involved on so many levels in health care, from helping in reimbursement, to standing in pools of blood of blood on an operating room floor.

Yes, there are things which could be improved with our system.

Anyone who thinks creating the largest bureaucracy in American history with one of our crucial industries is just not seeing the big picture.


Hello my friend! It's not a question of seeing the Big Picture, it's not understanding that the more folks who are involved in the delivery of health care and in R&D of health care, but are not themselves doctors, nurses, PA's or medical research labs DRAMATICALLY increase the cost of the delivery of the medical services and spike up the cost of R&D.

764 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:24:00pm

re: #754 Catttt

or softly, with its song. /;D

Here you go!

Youtube Video

COMMENT #6000!

765 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:24:15pm

re: #748 Dan G.

No not at all. You are the one who said neither McCain nor Obama was worthy of your vote so you voted for a write-in candidate. Then when I asked who did you write in offering up Hillary, Ron Paul, and Lyndon Larouche or the Libertarian candidate as possibilities you said none of the above. But then again you also said who you voted for is not my concern. But apparently you're not hesitant to say who you didn't vote for.

766 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:24:44pm

re: #753 Wendya

Once again, your generalization is WAY off. I voted for Bush, twice, despite disagreeing with much of what he stood for precisely because he was discernible, at a philosophical level, from his opponent. The case this time was different. Your inability to see that, despite McCain's legislation belies that you merely toe the party line and don't think much beyond that.

767 pat  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:24:51pm

re: #663 Dianna

I had to go through similar stuff. Remember you start with the present and not with the past.

768 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:25:34pm

re: #766 Dan G.

And he kept your ass safe.

769 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:26:07pm

I am in shock! The Rockets just dismantled the Lakers.. You guys know I don't like the Lakers..But still you expect they will still win..A depleted Rockets team just destroyed them..Remembr..The Hoopster said a month ago they would be upset.. I need a bookie! :)

770 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #759 Dan G.

Ah... for those who know, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, none is possible... If it is so obvious, just spill it out in a sentence or two.

McCain is just as statist as Obama is despite their different backgrounds, period.

Senator McCain has loyalty and grit. The hell with speeches - he has grit, dammit. He is tough.
President Obama is a hollow, narcissistic, thoughtless person with neither. He is not tough - he's petulant. He doesn't stalk - he flounces off. He doesn't criticize - he mocks. He doesn't speak - he reads. He doesn't think - he postures.

771 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #760 kahall

I was recently in D.C. for a business trip and saw a sticker/grafitti stuck to a WSJ dispenser that had a stick figure with an "Odin's cross" arm band throwing a hammer and sickle and dollar sign into the trash... quite appalling.

772 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:27:53pm

Single payer health insurance:

Youtube Video
773 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:28:00pm

re: #765 Mich-again

And you are hesitant to stick to the principles, and instead go after me... that's an ad hominem. I've stated examples for why they're not different. Either respond to that, or pronounce what you thought was the significant difference else there's no conversation here.

774 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:28:14pm

re: #769 HoosierHoops

I am in shock! The Rockets just dismantled the Lakers.. You guys know I don't like the Lakers..But still you expect they will still win..

That's what they said about the Redcoats. :D

775 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:29:06pm

re: #768 Macker

My ass wasn't alive at the time and his past good deed's don't cancel out his current evil ones. His being a warrior/POW doesn't undo his attack on free speech, period.

776 kahall  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:29:16pm

re: #771 Dan G.

I was recently in D.C. for a business trip and saw a sticker/grafitti stuck to a WSJ dispenser that had a stick figure with an "Odin's cross" arm band throwing a hammer and sickle and dollar sign into the trash... quite appalling.

I would not be surprised to see that in D.C. but I have lived here ( I guess in a cave ) for over 40 years and I have never ran across it before.

777 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:29:31pm

re: #770 Catttt

He is not tough - he's petulant. He doesn't stalk - he flounces off. He doesn't criticize - he mocks. He doesn't speak - he reads. He doesn't think - he postures.

That would make a perfect Winston Churchill quote.

778 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:29:38pm

re: #773 Dan G.

Again, bullshit. He's going after your opinions...not you.

779 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:30:35pm

re: #775 Dan G.

What'd you do...vote from your mother's womb? Go back and reread my post please.

780 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:30:54pm

re: #770 Catttt

I agree. But that was not an appropriate basis to form a decision, IMHO. McCain precluded himself from my vote with McCain Feingold. Like I said, while the "O" aspires to be a statist, McCain has made inroads in that direction already.

Anyone sniping at me, please... prove me wrong.

781 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:32:16pm

re: #779 Macker

How did he keep my ass safe? I was not alive while he was in the service, unless you are referring to some other event in which he prevented me from harm?

782 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:32:24pm

re: #674 jaunte
Indeed and I pray that never happens juante. Right now medical researches have found a way to do a virtual colonoscopy - no "invasive" proceedure but because it cannot snip off any polyps (if there are any polyps) Medicare won't cover it. So you KNOW Obamacare won't.
Moreover I have to take a certain drug every 4 months. On COBRA I took Drug "X"; Medicare won't cover the cost of Drug "X" cause there's a newer drug "Y" which does the same thing as "X" (according to three different oncologists in two different states) but costs more. So since I'm now on Medicare, I HAVE to use Drug "Y" even though it's more expensive and not any better AT ALL than Drug "X". If that makes logical sense to anyone out here, I'd like to hear it.

783 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:32:58pm

re: #775 Dan G.

My ass wasn't alive at the time and his past good deed's don't cancel out his current evil ones. His being a warrior/POW doesn't undo his attack on free speech, period.

I didn't want Senator McCain to be the candidate - he was not in my top 10.

THAT DOESN'T make him the fricking same as fricking O. Just because you don't like two people doesn't mean that they are unlikeable. Still, given that they are bad - for the sake of argument - that does not automatically mean they are equally as bad or even bad in the same way.

784 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:33:46pm

re: #778 Macker

I've asked repeatedly how they are significantly different, Cattt responded in kind, Wendy, keeps throwing up generalizations, hoping one will stick.

As for you, you quite easily waved off McCain's attack on free speech, why?

785 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:35:01pm

re: #747 Dianna

Maybe, but I'm going down fighting for what is right.

786 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:35:19pm

Evening folks, hope everyone is well.

787 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:35:50pm

re: #782 realwest

I take drug C. Drug C is godawful expensive, but I pay 10 bucks a month, as I have good insurance at work and take the generic version (which is required by my plan). The non-generic version was 25 bucks for me, but a heck of a lot more, exponentially, than the generic, for my company. Win win. Corporate American insurance. I am lucky.

788 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:36:25pm

re: #783 Catttt

My primary reason was precisely that McCain has actively achieved censorship legislation... how can any freedom loving American not be appalled by that?

And to the snipers... why do you put some much stake in the presidential election? As though we are picking a dictator... there are other activities/votes that carry more weight.

789 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:36:52pm

re: #773 Dan G.

I've stated examples for why they're not different.

No you haven't. All you did was brag about your red badge of a write in vote because neither candidate stood up to your purity test. But then you won't divulge who the candidate was who you were so energized to toss your vote away for in a senseless act of posturing. You did however admit that it wasn't Hillary, Ron Paul, Lyndon LaRouche or the Libertarian.

Whatever. You are overdramatic.

790 Catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:37:02pm

re: #784 Dan G.

Woof woof woof Mcain's attack on free speech woof woof woof woof.

791 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:37:38pm

re: #766 Dan G.

Once again, your generalization is WAY off. I voted for Bush, twice, despite disagreeing with much of what he stood for precisely because he was discernible, at a philosophical level, from his opponent. The case this time was different. Your inability to see that, despite McCain's legislation belies that you merely toe the party line and don't think much beyond that.

What? You voted for Bush after he signed the McCain-Feingold bill?
Puta-f*cking-madre!

792 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:38:22pm

re: #688 alegrias
And how can you leave out John Fucking Murtha?
Yes, Republicans DO have to come up with better answers to the problems that face this nation, but don't forget that it is the DEMOCRATIC Party that controls The Presidency, The House of Representatives, and the U.S. Senate. Seems to me we ought to be questioning them, their tactics and their supposed answers a lot more than attacking Republicans who -even if they came up with a better way to handle problem "A" couldn't get it made into law come hell or high water or the Democratic Party (sorry for the redundancy).

793 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:38:52pm

re: #781 Dan G.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Besides, you failed to realize that I was referring to George W. Bush, for whom you voted twice, WHO KEPT YOUR ASS SAFE.
Here, have some coffee.

794 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:38:57pm

re: #789 Mich-again

re: #726 Dan G.

While Obama aspires to drag this country into statism, McCain sponsored major legislation towards that end (McCain-Feingold)... for starters.

Again. Here is my starting point. What's your position?

795 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:39:12pm

re: #790 Catttt

Not a big deal, right?
/

796 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:39:34pm

re: #789 Mich-again

Knowing Dan, he's probably a Ronulan.

797 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:39:56pm

re: #793 Macker

Try not to have antecedents reside in other posts.

798 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:40:03pm

re: #770 Catttt

Senator McCain has loyalty and grit. The hell with speeches - he has grit, dammit. He is tough.
President Obama is a hollow, narcissistic, thoughtless person with neither. He is not tough - he's petulant. He doesn't stalk - he flounces off. He doesn't criticize - he mocks. He doesn't speak - he reads. He doesn't think - he postures.

Agreed. For all his problems, he's a man, and the boy in an adult body named Barack Hussein Obama isn't fit to lance John McCain's shoes.

799 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:40:48pm

re: #796 Macker

You know me? Based on the ronulan comment you don't know shit. Again, I'm the subject of the sentence, not my claims.

800 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:41:29pm

re: #705 Dan G.
Hey Dan G. - what are your values that were not represented by either McCain or Obama?

801 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:42:47pm
802 Mich-again  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:42:48pm

re: #794 Dan G.

I hated McCain-Feingold when it was first passed into law and still do.

803 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:43:01pm

re: #790 Catttt

Woof woof woof Mcain's attack on free speech woof woof woof woof.

woof

Youtube Video
804 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:43:40pm

re: #800 realwest

Individual rights is my central political value. Neither of the candidates in word or deed held those as important.

NOW what is so hard about addressing my comments instead of probing for MY information? Still, prove me wrong in my claim that they're both statists. Anyone...?

805 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:44:09pm

re: #802 Mich-again

Then don't shrug it off so easily. Its a big deal.

806 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:44:11pm

re: #717 Dianna
I'm SO SORRY to hear of your travails - please hang on - those of us who pray will pray for you and those who don't (except for the freakazoids out here) will wish you the very best.
And, should you need someone to chat with or vent to, my nic's in blue!

807 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:44:58pm

re: #801 Iron Fist

It takes years, even decades to bring new drugs and treatments to market.

Sick thing is, the g'ment is responsible for that.

808 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:47:03pm
809 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:47:15pm

re: #755 HoosierHoops
Hey thanks Hoops - hope you're doing well?!

810 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:48:42pm

re: #757 formercorpsman
Couldn't agree with you more. Now how do we get the party in power to do the same thing to their Anti-Semites?

811 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:49:16pm

re: #809 realwest

Hey thanks Hoops - hope you're doing well?!

Great night of sports!
See you in the morning..I'll brew the coffee

812 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:49:56pm

re: #810 realwest

Roaches hate lights. Exposure and leaks of any recordings such as this one will work wonders. Also, if you directly witness it, shame the asshole in front of everyone.

813 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:50:59pm

re: #760 kahallPerhaps you should make copies of those items and then turn the originals into the police and send a set of Copies to the DHS?

814 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:51:39pm

re: #805 Dan G.

Then don't shrug it off so easily. Its a big deal.

Bigger than all the potential for harm that Obama and the Dems have in store for the country? BTW, you can rest assured that, given the proximity of the MSM to Obama's derrière, no one would have defeated him last November.

815 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:51:48pm

Just for the record:

I have more questions than answers.

The older I get, the more I know I don't know.

Crowds scare me.

The instinct of the herd is the joy of the hunter.

The louder you speak, the less people hear you.

One plus one equals two. One plus two equals a sect. Two plus two equals three leaders and a follower. Five equals instant schism, anathema and we start the count over at one.

I like it here because there is a question mark instead of a dogma. And an underlying decency. And, of course, the inimitable TFK.

तत् त्वम् असि

tat tvam asi

816 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:52:04pm

Nipsey Russell sums it all up:

Youtube Video
817 jorline  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:52:04pm

re: #809 realwest

Hey thanks Hoops - hope you're doing well?!

Hey RW....good to see you. I was just turning out the lights...see ya in the morning.

818 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:54:00pm

re: #811 HoosierHoops

Tea for me, please? And not too early?
;)

819 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:54:39pm

re: #766 Dan G.
Uh

I voted for Bush, twice, despite disagreeing with much of what he stood for precisely because he was discernible, at a philosophical level, from his opponent. The case this time was different.


You honestly didn't see any differences at a philospohical level between McCain and Obama?

820 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:55:14pm

re: #814 solomonpanting

Yes, because it begins to preclude the means of redressing the excesses of people like Obama. Control of political speech makes people like Obama possible.

821 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:57:48pm

re: #820 Dan G.

Yes, because it begins to preclude the means of redressing the excesses of people like Obama. Control of political speech makes people like Obama possible.

Concur.

822 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 9:58:34pm

re: #787 Catttt Yes, you are lucky. In my example, drug "X" was covered by my private insurance company but not Drug "Y" because they both did the same thing but drug X was cheaper!
In the governmental world of health insurance, they go for the more expensive version of the same thing every time.

823 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:00:10pm

re: #819 realwest

Yes, honestly. I've tried to start a conversation, laying out the first points (which could follow on to a productive, if not reconciliation conversation), but everyone just keeps sniping me. You're free to respond to my first claim, that they're both statists and that McCain's actions have begun to pave the road for worse things to come (i.e. by stiffling free speech) if you want to know my position instead of trying (in vain) the fallacy of the argument of intimidation (not physical, to preempt the ignorant). My claims, not me, should be the subject of any sentences about this topic.

BTW, I will get off of the McCain Feingold talking point once its addressed directly and not relegated to the backdrop, so stop the absurd barking, Cattt.

824 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:00:54pm

re: #820 Dan G.

Yes, because it begins to preclude the means of redressing the excesses of people like Obama. Control of political speech makes people like Obama possible.

I see control of most government institutions (schools, colleges, universities) and most media by liberal/left entities as the catalyst that makes an Obama possible.

825 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:01:16pm

re: #791 solomonpanting
HEY! Sol - despite the fact that we're friends, PLEASE Do not curse in Spanish - or your version of Spanish(!) cause some of us out here understand it and are very sensitive about such comments!

826 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:01:52pm

re: #824 solomonpanting

You are paranoid. Those in no way shape form or fashion prevent, by threat of force, an individual stating his or her mind.

827 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:03:29pm

I think conservatism stems from fiscal responsibility. If a person is to be held to a mark of personal responsibility, they need to be fiscally responsible for this one responsibility- to provide for themselves. When the government subsidizes fiscal irresponsibility, we get less personal responsibility and thus the rise of what many call "moral decay". Add to this a government that doesn't think it needs to be fiscally responsible, and you have the mess we see all about us.

The GOP needs to go back to fiscal principles, and fiscal principles alone. The rest will follow.

828 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:06:18pm

re: #825 realwest


Sorry to have offended you.

re: #826 Dan G.

Paranoid? Wow! I've never been accused of that before. How does McCain-Feingold prevent an individual stating his or her mind?

829 kiwiviv  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:06:40pm

re: #827 Sharmuta

I agree - the GOP also needs to clean up in the moral and mouth department

830 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:07:02pm

re: #826 Dan G.

You are paranoid. Those in no way shape form or fashion prevent, by threat of force, an individual stating his or her mind.

Are you kidding? Did you just see what happened to Carrie Prejean when she spoke her mind? Have you not heard some of the stories of how leftist professors react to dissent in their classes? Given those things, how can you even say that?

831 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:08:43pm

re: #829 kiwiviv

I agree - the GOP also needs to clean up in the moral and mouth department

What is more immoral than taking away a person's ability to learn from mistakes and experience? You want to talk about dumbing down society? Prevent failure.

832 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:09:02pm

re: #807 Dan G.

Sick thing is, the g'ment is responsible for that.

Not really.

Does the name thalidomide ring any bells?

The FDA exists because private industry proved over and over again that it would take instant profits over public health and safety any chance it could.

Those who believe government regulation is always a bad thing might want to reread their Steinbeck. Or is he off the syllabus these days?

833 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:09:13pm

re: #827 Sharmuta

I think that fiscal responsibility is important, but in the context of politics (i.e. the ethics of a polity), the predominant concept that must take root is that other peoples' things belong to them, no one else. Second, that the sole purpose for government is to defend individuals from enemies/threats, both foreign and domestic. With these two principles as the basis, being fiscal will be a lot easier for the government, and it would provide a basis to prevent subsidization of irresponsibility.

834 kiwiviv  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:10:53pm

re: #831 Sharmuta

I simply want our GOP to say what they mean and mean what they say. If our leaders can't be trusted with this basic issue, then we are no batter than Pelosi and Barney

835 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:12:04pm
836 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:12:21pm

re: #828 solomonpanting

You think that breaking the law doesn't have consequences? And that institutions supporting the ideas they choose is more dangerous than censorship?

837 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:12:28pm

re: #801 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' "I guess the Socialists will say what the hell, let Government fund it, but that is neither practical nor desirable." But that's the way we're going my friend. Let's face facts: the Democrats now have ALL the power at the Federal Level. The Democrats honestly believe that the way to solve problems is to throw money at the problems - and that might actually not be SO bad, it they also didn't want to "create jobs" by having bureaucrat after bureaucrat hired and paid to run the damn programs to develop the new cures, the medical techniques that are needed, thereby driving up the cost and causing major time delays that don't exist now.
And those bureaucrats, that wasted money and those delays will cost some human lives.
Didja know that Moodys today was talking about how U.S. Treasury Bonds may not be rated Triple A in 2010 because our Deficit will be something close to our GNP?! But thinking of the economic damage they are causing will NOT prevent them with coming up with nearly HALF of the projected deficit by having some sort of Nationalized Health Care.

838 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:13:28pm

re: #836 Dan G.

You think that breaking the law doesn't have consequences? And that institutions supporting the ideas they choose is more dangerous than censorship?

I asked you first:

How does McCain-Feingold prevent an individual stating his or her mind?

839 Sharmuta  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:13:46pm

re: #833 Dan G.

I think that fiscal responsibility is important, but in the context of politics (i.e. the ethics of a polity), the predominant concept that must take root is that other peoples' things belong to them, no one else. Second, that the sole purpose for government is to defend individuals from enemies/threats, both foreign and domestic. With these two principles as the basis, being fiscal will be a lot easier for the government, and it would provide a basis to prevent subsidization of irresponsibility.

For me, fiscal responsibility and property rights go hand in hand. You can't ask someone to take personal and fiscal responsibility for themselves, then take away their property- which includes the fruit of their labors. I see individual rights, property rights and fiscal responsibility as all being fairly bound together. They're components that need each other to function.

840 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:15:15pm

re: #832 Cato the Elder

I know that I'm currently developing medical devices that have no potential for any such damage and that its taking years to jump through the hoops.

To lump all businesses in with some businesses that committed criminal acts (i.e. poisoning) is unjust. You might as well prevent people from driving because people (read some people) have committed vehicular homicide.

841 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:15:36pm

re: #812 Dan G.

Roaches hate lights. Exposure and leaks of any recordings such as this one will work wonders. Also, if you directly witness it, shame the asshole in front of everyone.

I couldn't agree with you more. If I directly witness it, I'll do more than shame the asshole, I'll rip him a new one. But it's awfully hard to shine the spotlight on the Party in Power when the MSM is part of the Party in Power.

842 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:19:29pm

re: #814 solomonpanting
Hey Sol - and for all of you who enjoy the truth spoken in an unusual way:[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
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ROTFLMAO!

843 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:21:32pm
844 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:21:44pm

re: #787 Catttt

I take drug C. Drug C is godawful expensive, but I pay 10 bucks a month, as I have good insurance at work and take the generic version (which is required by my plan). The non-generic version was 25 bucks for me, but a heck of a lot more, exponentially, than the generic, for my company. Win win. Corporate American insurance. I am lucky.

Yes you are.

If your insurance sucked, or you lost it, would you tell yourself, "Damn, I'm no longer lucky," and meekly switch to generic aspirin instead of Drug C? Or chew willow bark if you couldn't afford aspirin? Or would you raise holy hell and think you had a good case for it? If you had to choose, would you give up Drug C first, or your car, or your balanced diet, or your pet? Would you be fine with making those choices? Because you weren't lucky anymore?

I'm just asking.

845 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:22:09pm

re: #842 realwest

Guess I wasn't too far off, huh?

846 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:22:20pm

re: #835 Iron Fist

I work for a company that is developing a medical diagnostic test.

Me too. But our device merely takes a swap sample (nothing special here). And while you are apparently an employee who doesn't mind the hurdles due to the prolonged employment situation (correct me if I'm wrong), I'm an inventor and stake holder, so I'm a little bit less stoked about the delay to market.

847 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:23:07pm

re: #828 solomonpanting

Sorry to have offended you.
ROTFLMAO! I apologize - I've been away for a few days and forgot that sometimes my "humor" requires a / !

848 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:24:57pm

re: #838 solomonpanting

Go ahead, speak in the now outlawed context. Or, just ignore the fact that I said it was paving the way for future legislation. You still have not accepted that there is a difference between people spouting opinions you don't like and censorship.

849 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:25:25pm

re: #840 Dan G.

Oops... that was intended for Iron Fist.

850 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:26:32pm

re: #841 realwest

The Internet is a wonderful thing, it is killing the MSM. I would FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND THE INTERNET.

851 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:28:49pm

re: #845 solomonpanting
Far off - you were SPOT ON!

HEY Y'ALL - if you haven't yet seen this, please go read this:[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

852 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:29:05pm

re: #839 Sharmuta

I agree, they're integral and cannot be separated.

853 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:29:18pm

re: #840 Dan G.

I know that I'm currently developing medical devices that have no potential for any such damage and that its taking years to jump through the hoops.

To lump all businesses in with some businesses that committed criminal acts (i.e. poisoning) is unjust. You might as well prevent people from driving because people (read some people) have committed vehicular homicide.

Nobody is prevented from driving for that reason. But there are tests, and learner's permits, and licenses, and they're going to get harder as time goes on, because there is no inherent right to get behind a wheel and inflict yourself on the surrounding society. My state already has graduated licensing for teens and "rookie drivers".

I'm all for streamlining regulations where it would help. I'd like to know more about your specific devices and where you see the holdups.

854 itellu3times  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:32:19pm
‘that Jew’

Wasn't that Marlow Thomas?
/

855 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:33:30pm

re: #843 Iron Fist

तत् त्वम् असि

Tibetan? I've been thinking of getting some Tibetan calligraphy for art (tattoo), but I can't think of what I'd like to express in that language. It is certainly a pretty language/alphabet(s). "Warrior" across the back of my neck might be nice.

That's Sanskrit, actually. It means "you are that" - just to scratch the surface, you (the self) are part of that (ultimate reality or God).

I have a friend who is fluent in Tibetan. If you come up with a phrase, I can get it for you. Warrior would be easy enough...

856 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:34:38pm

Time for bed for me. See you all tomorrow.

857 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:34:51pm

re: #848 Dan G.

Go ahead, speak in the now outlawed context. Or, just ignore the fact that I said it was paving the way for future legislation. You still have not accepted that there is a difference between people spouting opinions you don't like and censorship.

Upon further reflection, I see projection upon your part when you said I was paranoid. While I don't agree with McCain-Feingold, I see it as something that may be repealed within conventional Congressional guidelines. However, if policies being conjured up by the current administration are passed into law, implemented and become part of this nation's makeup, how easy do you think it would be to undo all of the damage they portend? If I were to be paranoid, or concerned about something, that would occupy the top spot on my list.

858 wiffersnapper  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:37:38pm

Because the Zionist Conspiracy is out to get all of you!

859 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:38:27pm
860 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:38:43pm

re: #844 Cato the Elder
Well I can't answer for Cattt, but when my cancer was discovered I had no insurance - just strarting out in my own business (cause I was a white heterosexual Male over the age of 55 and was deemed TOO EXPENSIVE to keep by my company). And MY Cobra had run out. My drug "X" cost me more than I could afford (it was a generic) and so I went without - not having any possible means to pay for it, until I landed a part time gig which gave me access to health insurance. I'll never know how much my body paid in terms of the cancer damage because of that fact, but I do know that when I just COULD NOT WORK ANYMORE, I took that COBRA until I lucked out with SSDI and was eligible for Medicare - which, as I stated above, is only slightly less than COBRA and is nearly 4 times more expensive than was my private plan pre-Cobra.

861 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:39:11pm

re: #853 Cato the Elder

I can speak about the technology, since I'm an inventor and technology consultant, I'm not intimately involved with the regulatory hurdles (the company that licensed the tech. is). But currently, the company is taking it to Europe first due to the only hurdle being obtaining a CE mark which is a self-certification (i.e. the company essentially assumes responsibility for the device).

The biggest hold up that I've seen is the ambiguity that the company has to deal with in navigating the regulatory process, with the risk that a misstep will lead to more hurdles/time/resources (the latter two being extremely limited). My insight here is limited by my limited direct experience, but this much is true.

I agree that the government should protect individuals from harm caused by other individuals. Hence, I do agree with ensuring that people incapable of driving (due to lack of maturity or an abundance of alcohol) need to be off of the road. But, if a device isn't going to cause harm, then it should be beyond the scope of FDA.

862 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:39:58pm

re: #857 solomonpanting

The media n' liberals are gonna get ya'... isn't that Glen Beck's rant?

863 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:40:16pm

re: #847 realwest

I was wondering about your being offended.
;P

864 NY Nana  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:41:25pm

Did anyone watch Leno Wednesday night, when John McCain's 97-year old Mum was on? I wish she had run for President! She is just amazing, and she is sharper than most 30 year olds, so help me.

I could not get her entire segment, as they cut it to make her look bad, but here is the show...worth watching just to see this dynamo!

G'night, all. Sweet dreams!

865 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:41:52pm

re: #859 Iron Fist

[...]only that you need to thoroughly test something before you release it on the market.

I concur 100%, dead/injured/unhappy customers don't come back for more. I just don't approve of the current way things are done, and I'm gaining insight into how I would suggest it should be done.

866 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:42:23pm

re: #862 Dan G.

The media n' liberals are gonna get ya'... isn't that Glen Beck's rant?

I don't know. I don't pay him much attention.
Are you satisfied with the mindset of the party in power and the folks who put them there?

867 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:42:30pm
868 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:45:00pm

Well it's been interesting tonight, I'll say that. I hope you all have a great early evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

And unless you really don't want a good laugh (or think Fox is just nothing but looney tunes and the rest of the MSM is just swell, please go see
[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

Good night, all.

869 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:45:18pm

re: #866 solomonpanting

Who's "them"?

Also. You are going to extremes to minimize government censorship, at least when it was done by the party you chose to latch onto. How do you feel about the Fairness Doctrine? Is that one bad, but the GOP sponsored censorship good?

870 [deleted]  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:45:52pm
871 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:47:07pm

re: #860 realwest

Well I can't answer for Cattt, but when my cancer was discovered I had no insurance - just starting out in my own business (cause I was a white heterosexual Male over the age of 55 and was deemed TOO EXPENSIVE to keep by my company). And MY Cobra had run out. [...] My drug "X" cost me more than I could afford (it was a generic) and so I went without - not having any possible means to pay for it, until I landed a part time gig which gave me access to health insurance. I'll never know how much my body paid in terms of the cancer damage because of that fact [...]

And that, right there, is what should be fixed. That should never happen to any American under any circumstances. Period. That is all.

872 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:48:23pm

re: #870 Iron Fist

You are putting something into the body (injecting radio-labeled something). Were are taking a swab of wound exudate with a generic sterile swab, its a huge difference.

873 Dan G.  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:50:04pm

Nite all. Iron Fist, perhaps we can discuss diagnostics in further detail later.

Cato, I look forward to further conversations with you.

Shills, you suck.

874 freetoken  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:50:10pm

In case no one has linked to any background on Hendren:

It appears that in 2001, the Arkansas House voted on a bill, HB2548, whose purpose was explicitly to undermine the teaching of evolution (and even an old Earth.)

It almost passed.

Kim Hendren is listed as voting for the bill.

Are we surprised?

Hendren is currently a member of the Ark. Senate Education committee.

875 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:50:25pm

re: #47 Charles

That's just pathetic. He wants to go back to the values he saw on the Andy Griffith Show.

Call on the clue phone: that was fiction. Mayberry was not a real place.

Ha! Maybe one day, when I am old and gray, I can lament the Degradation of SocietyTM and the Decline of Traditional American ValuesTM by citing the fantastical examples portrayed in a fictional Hollywood production.

:shaking angry fist: "If only we, as a people, would simply return to the traditional family values, As Seen On TV like we used to see on 'Married: With Children', then everything would be okay. Tax-free unicorns for everyone!"

876 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:51:14pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

And that, right there, is what should be fixed. That should never happen to any American under any circumstances. Period. That is all.

I don't think anyone disputes that statement, all the argument comes from trying to figure out HOW to fix it.

877 realwest  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:51:27pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder
I assume you mean because we are Americans we should never want for healthcare.
But as I pointed out in the quote, which you left out of your comment, is that MEDICARE COSTS ME FOUR TIMES WHAT MY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE DID.IF we are TRYING - legitimately as opposed to politically - to keep medical costs down, government medical insurance plans surely won't do it.
Good night, Cato, sleep well.

878 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:52:58pm

re: #869 Dan G.

Who's "them"?


Seriously?
That would be, uh, Obama and the Dems who control both houses of Congress, most all large cities and many large state legislatures.

The Fairness Doctrine would be a disaster. I already stated my feeling about your pet peeve.

879 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:54:06pm

Is there an Obama health care plan?

There's like an almost a quarter trillion "placeholder" for it in the $3.5 trillion budget, but what is it? The Republicans don't have a plan? What, exactly, is the Bonkey plan? So far, it's a big mystery.

/linky?

880 itellu3times  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:56:33pm

re: #871 Cato the Elder

And that, right there, is what should be fixed. That should never happen to any American under any circumstances. Period. That is all.

I agree ... and yet, there are some drugs which are fearsomely expensive, especially for "orphan diseases".

881 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:56:42pm

re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha! Maybe one day, when I am old and gray, I can lament the Degradation of SocietyTM and the Decline of Traditional American ValuesTM by citing the fantastical examples portrayed in a fictional Hollywood production.

:shaking angry fist: "If only we, as a people, would simply return to the traditional family values, As Seen On TV like we used to see on 'Married: With Children', then everything would be okay. Tax-free unicorns for everyone!"

Family Guy! That's old-fashioned values for you.

882 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:57:01pm

re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth

Not these unicorns I hope....NOT SAFE FOR WORK!
[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

883 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:57:51pm

re: #879 Killian Bundy

There's like an almost a quarter trillion "placeholder" for it in the $3.5 trillion budget

Three quartertrillion

/my bad, counting that high is hard

884 hershel  Thu, May 14, 2009 10:59:08pm

Charles, before you blame everything on the Republicans, check out this link:

Dems blame Jews more than Republicans

885 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:00:36pm

re: #877 realwest

I assume you mean because we are Americans we should never want for healthcare.
But as I pointed out in the quote, which you left out of your comment, is that MEDICARE COSTS ME FOUR TIMES WHAT MY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE DID.IF we are TRYING - legitimately as opposed to politically - to keep medical costs down, government medical insurance plans surely won't do it.
Good night, Cato, sleep well.

OK, good night. If you see this tomorrow, though, I've got a question. Does your Medicare policy cost you four times what you paid (employee contribution) for your private health insurance, or four times what that policy actually cost in premiums (your contribution + what your employer paid)? It's important to compare apples to apples.

886 tradewind  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:00:38pm

Digg must have real staffing issues /sarc/: I sent this letter below in June, 2008,

LIttle Green Footballs is recognized as a major and reputable conservative blog, and agree with its philosophy or not, the obscene abuse it is receiving from far-left posters is unwarranted and irresponsible.. please monitor your site more carefully.


In my inbox today....pushing a year later... I get a reply from Digg.
Well.... not really a reply, but a form reply:

We sincerely appreciate users like you who are committed to keeping Digg a fun and informative community. We’ve researched your report and will take appropriate action.Thanks again for getting in touch with us,
-Digg Support


When it takes a site 11 months to send a form reply, they're really hurting.

887 catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:03:49pm

re: #844 Cato the Elder

If my insurance sucked? Even when I worked as a temp, I had insurance coverage. Not great, but enough. I've never worked for a company that didn't give me insurance coverage at a reasonable rate. At retirement, I can opt to continue the coverage I have now, for apx 4K per year. Again, corporate America. I am lucky - but I am also very good at my job and work for an awesome company.

888 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:06:01pm

re: #882 Macker

So. Wrong.

"Beware of choking hazards".

889 catttt  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:06:17pm

re: #886 tradewind

Wow. That's amateur hour.

Our turnaround time at work is currently an average of 22 hours, and we are working to get that down to 8. At Amazon, they actually answer you while you are still thinking about what you're going to write (heh heh heh).

890 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:19:44pm

re: #887 catttt

But I was posing a hypothetical. If you had no insurance, or lost it, and Drug C was no longer within your budget, would you just say "I'm not lucky anymore" and do without? Or would you think there ought to be a way for an "unlucky" person to get that treatment? Should access to Drug C be based on "luck"?

I'm assuming that Drug C is something that makes a significant difference in your quality of life. Should that difference be available only to the "lucky"?

891 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:56:41pm

re: #890 Cato the Elder

But I was posing a hypothetical.

/so is Obama and the Bonkey Congress so far

892 SFGoth  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:24:07am

re: #22 Cato the Elder

This works both ways.

As I posted on the last thread, Pamela has now started hurling the epithet JINO - Jew in name only -


Funny, I don't remember the Nazis distinguishing.... Just k'vetching....

893 SFGoth  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:25:13am

Why does it strike me bizarre for a fat, ugly dude named "Kim" to be hurling anti-semitic remarks? Hey Kim, errr, faggot, shaddup.

894 SFGoth  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:28:56am

Hey, I hear in Virginia there are plenty of VaJinos. :-P

895 SFGoth  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:36:28am

re: #124 Charles

Sarcasm is a learned skill.

To this day, I still remember my first day in 6th grade when I transferred to the G/T school and this kid said: "Sarcasm is the greatest weapon." Sixth fucking grade and I knew what he meant. No wonder I can't get laid. Any woman that has any clue what I'm talking about can't stop laughing long enough for me to even attempt to steal second base. Alrighty, I'm done serial posting - went to a charity casino fundraiser and had a few drinks. Nighty night, and remember, it's ok to have Jewish friends, especially the smart kinds.

896 nbenhaim  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:58:16am

As a Jew, I belive that the left has been far more dangerous to the Jewish people than the right has been (at least in the past few decades). So if one Schmuck spouts off about "that Jew" .. yes it will not be good for the GOP's image, but it doesn't keep me up at night. I'd rather a republican talk smack on Jews than a Democrat who supports a silly 2 state solution

897 Detector  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:55:38am

Sad news from Norway.

From [Link: www.Norwaypost.no...]

"The Oslo Jewish cemetary vandalised

The old cemetary of the Mosaic Religious Community in Oslo has been vandalised. Several gravestones have been defaced with Nazi symbols. The vandalism has been reported to the police.
The vandalism was discovered Thursday afternoon. On one gravestone was written: "Krigen er ikke over" (The war is not over).

The old Jewish cemetary in Oslo was established in 1869. It is now a heritage site."

898 Curtain of Oz  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:22:12am

I agreere: #896 nbenhaim

Agreed. Not good, but not really news. And I'm of the tribe and I'm far more alarmed by the Left's incessant attack on Israel. A leader can say "That Jew" and get hosed. Then you have scores of leaders that act against the "Zionists" and it is accepted without a second though. Good Grief! The bastids have a place where they can now channel their anti-Semitism by another name. Look at the Durban conf...

899 Sceptic Tank  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:08:51am

Obama's Man-made Dangerous real life policies toward Israel will Carterize many Jewish supporters as in the Reagan era. This goofball is self-evident and moot to issue oriented voters. What Micheal Steele says or does not is of no importance since the Republicans cannot win as Replicant-o-crats.

900 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:35:52am

As a N.Y. Republican, I have no love for Chuck Schumer. When he proposed giving Eastern Europe back to the Russians to placate Putin, I was livid. His ethnicity and/or religion are irrelevant. He's very clever, and a very dangerous opponent with very bad ideas about foreign policy. Jews will die because of Chuck Schumer's policies.

This Republican has 10,000 legitimate reasons to attack Schumer, and he comes up with ethnicity/religion? What an idiot!

901 S'latch  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:43:12am

Macaca.

902 Land Shark  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:53:47am

re: #900 quickjustice

You nailed it. Schumer is despicable rat bastard, there's no shortage of substantive issues he can be hammered on, but this idiot has to go that route. Pathetic.

I sure wish GOP politicians would stop drinking the stupid juice.

903 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:03:17am

re: #902 Land Shark

You nailed it. Schumer is despicable rat bastard, there's no shortage of substantive issues he can be hammered on, but this idiot has to go that route. Pathetic.

I sure wish GOP politicians w

Yeah I wish GOP politicians would stop drinking the stupid juice. But its the plan to continue to ridicule the GOP. Don't give em any room. Take one asinine statement and make it about the GOP, not the asshole that said it. You telling me there are no Dems that say ignorant shit like this? Put a microphone near Robert Byrd and see what drools out. There is plenty of stupid juice consumed on both sides. Closest anyone has come lately to outing stupid from the Dems is the Pelosi situation and even then there were MSM lackeys there to try to mitigate her self destruction. "Can I ask a question about health care?"

No muffin, but you can order a latte. TTFN.

904 Land Shark  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:17:44am

re: #903 kansas

Hey, you'll get no argument from there. I agree with you. But the reality is that the Dems are in full control and the media is in their back pocket so anything stupid the Dems say will either be suppressed or ignored while anything stupid by Reps get the publicity. As a Republican I don't like it. But that's how it is.

And it doesn't alter the fact the guy is an idiot for saying what he said. Hammer Schumer on his record, there's plenty of material there.

905 hokiepride  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:03:01am

re:Killgore Trout

Health care reform is a complicated issue, while it is true that bloated inefficient European style "free" health care is not a solution, the US needs to revamp its health care

1) Regulate class action law suits and enforce a limit on the maximum payout to families of patients. At the same time, increase the criminal penalties for malpractice. For example, if a doctor has caused the death of your loved one through recklessness, it shall be treated the same as if he killed your relative when driving under the influence.

2) Regulate the medical school industry, it seems absurd that every-one needs to study six years of Medschool irrespective of specialization. For example, a pedantist and a neurosurgeon both needs to have six years of school. Some less complex specializations can be made three year degress, thus reducing the loan burden on the graduates. Ultimately all these costs get passed on the consumer

3) Regulate the pharma industry: Pharmaceutical firms spend more on advertising than research and pass the costs to the consumer. Maybe it is gubmint interference in business, but some regulation defnitely could be useful
My2c.

906 Clubsec  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:37:30pm

Hymie Town! How career limiting a statement is THAT?
Oh, right ... applies only to folks that call themselves Republicans.

But put the label in perspective. Chuckie Schumer may be Jewish but I doubt he is a close follower of the faith. And besides, would I be considered anti-semitic if I said Schumer is a complete and utter fraud? He's also an asshole.
The Congressman's statement would be a Tempest in a tea pot were a D to follow his name for party affiliation.
Racist! The most overused label in modern vernacular.

907 Clubsec  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:53:21pm

Correction: The State Senator's statement ...


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