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Open • Thu May 14, 2009 at 11:00 pm PDT • Views: 227

In school they told me “Practice makes perfect.” And then they told me “Nobody’s perfect.” So then I stopped practicing.

— Steven Wright

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1 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:01:55pm

Good Evenihg, and Good Night Lizards!

2 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:02:44pm

re: #1 Macker

Good Evenihg, and Good Night Lizards!

Is that like "hi and bye"?

3 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:04:27pm

Hola, honco lizards of the evening!

4 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:07:02pm

Poop! I can't find
"Hello, I love you won't you tell me your name"
By the Doors, on You Toobe.
DANG!

5 StudSupreme  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:07:14pm

Some of these overnite thread proverbs/sayings are truly awesome :-)

6 StudSupreme  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:08:00pm

re: #2 srb1976

Naaah, it's more like "ciao" and "ciao", or "aloha" and "aloha".

;-)

7 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:08:18pm

"Haste makes waste" but "A stitch in time saves nine".

8 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:09:48pm

I think this is the doors song you want

9 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:10:21pm

I used to think butterflies made butter.

10 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:11:37pm

re: #4 Floral Giraffe

Poop! I can't find
"Hello, I love you won't you tell me your name"
By the Doors, on You Toobe.
DANG!

It seems as though U-Tube has removed album/CD playlists. Were they threatened with a lawsuit?

11 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:11:54pm

re: #8 srb1976

Good catch!

12 Macker  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:12:22pm

re: #2 srb1976

At least I didn't say "First!" :)

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:12:26pm

bbiab

14 Clemente  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:13:38pm

re: #1 Macker

Good Evenihg, and Good Night Lizards!

Oh it's like that? Fine. Didn't mean to overstay; we'll all leave...

/sniff

;) j/k!

15 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:14:13pm

re: #12 Macker

At least I didn't say "First!" :)

I didn't have anything terribly profound to say either...can't really critcize = )

16 Gavriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:19:54pm

I miss the Lizard Lounge.
You could see who was logged on.
Lightning fast conversations.
Sigh

17 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:20:17pm

re: #12 Macker

At least I didn't say "First!" :)

"Who's On First?"


Youtube Video
18 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:22:40pm

Did anyone else think forest fires were started by bears?

/who was Smokey talking too?

just trying to stay on topic...

19 wiffersnapper  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:23:19pm

What if your name is Nobody?

20 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:24:16pm

re: #18 kateca

Did anyone else think forest fires were started by bears?

/who was Smokey talking too?

just trying to stay on topic...

I don't know who he was talking to, but he kinda freaked me out as a kid..."only you can prevent forest fires" and I didn't even live near a forest...that's a lot of pressure for a kid
//

21 eddie- the Aggravator  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:24:51pm

“Practice makes perfect.” And then they told me “Nobody’s perfect.” So then I stopped practicing.


I didn't stop "practicing" even when I got the rhythm down perfect.

Cause it feels sooo good!

22 Erik The Red  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:25:24pm

re: #12 Macker

At least I didn't say "First!" :)

I tried to be clever once and I got deleted for it. Not worth it

23 Erik The Red  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:25:45pm

re: #17 Dustyvet

Evening Dv.

24 Gavriel  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:25:46pm

re: #19 wiffersnapper

What if your name is Nobody?

Ah, but you're very luck wiffersnapper!

25 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:26:37pm

I am just hoping Her royal stoutness goes back to sleep...stupid sneaky cat hid in her room and woke her up...

26 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:27:35pm

re: #20 srb1976

I don't know who he was talking to, but he kinda freaked me out as a kid..."only you can prevent forest fires" and I didn't even live near a forest...that's a lot of pressure for a kid
//

Youtube Video
27 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:27:53pm

re: #23 Erik The Red

Evening Dv.

Allo Erik...:)

28 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:28:00pm

re: #17 Dustyvet

Welcome, Dustyvet, I hope you are doing well?

29 Erik The Red  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:28:01pm

Don't Piss on Old Faithful

30 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:28:38pm

re: #19 wiffersnapper

What if your name is Nobody?

Emily Dickenson:

"I'm nobody, are you nobody too...?"

31 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:29:33pm

re: #28 Floral Giraffe

Welcome, Dustyvet, I hope you are doing well?

I would be doing better if I could get my email to work...:( Other then that all's well...:)

32 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:29:39pm

re: #29 Erik The Red

Heh! I had a summer job, where we played hockey with the ground squirrels, AKA piggers, in the trash room. With brooms.

33 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:30:30pm

re: #31 Dustyvet

Nice to have you back, here. Many of "us" we wishing you well, with your difficult time! (hug)

34 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:32:50pm

re: #32 Floral Giraffe

Heh! I had a summer job, where we played hockey with the ground squirrels, AKA piggers, in the trash room. With brooms.

Squirrels dancing to Michael Jackson O2 arena


Youtube Video
35 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:33:53pm

re: #33 Floral Giraffe

Nice to have you back, here. Many of "us" we wishing you well, with your difficult time! (hug)

It's good to be back (((Floral)))...:)

36 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:35:12pm

OT, but I hate people who claim to be psychics.

My mother's sister had a seizure with resulting anoxia long enough to kill her brain. For a while her EEG was either seizing or flatline. No response to stimuli. She's brain-dead. She has a living will with provisions against artificial life-support and extraordinary measures. So they will be taking her off the tubes tomorrow and hoping she dies fast not slow.

Some stupid bitch of a psychic neighbor told my mother before she flew out to Fargo to be with my already-dead aunt that she "knows" that my aunt "hears everything that is being said to her". This was after the doctors had already done all the tests and found nothing, not even a flinch response to cutaneous pain. So my mom grasped at that straw from this "intuitive" neighbor and flew out there expecting - whatever.

I just hate these meddling creeps with their "psychic" crap and their "intuition".

Of course they all work at Wal-Mart and couldn't predict a traffic jam, but they can tell from two thousand miles away that someone is hearing your voice when her cortical functions have shut down and the only thing still working is the brain stem. If that.

Rant off.

37 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:35:48pm

re: #26 Dustyvet



Just curious, how do you happen to have that on hand?
btw, I loved it.

38 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:36:03pm

Kung-Fu Squirrel


Youtube Video
39 solomonpanting  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:36:33pm

My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.
Steven Wright

40 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:36:56pm

re: #37 kateca

Just curious, how do you happen to have that on hand?
btw, I loved it.

re: #37 kateca

Just curious, how do you happen to have that on hand?
btw, I loved it.

Just did a you tube search...:)

41 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:37:41pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

That's horrible! Even if you don't take it seriously, that has to be a painful conversation...so sorry

42 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:39:15pm

Squirrel Antics


Youtube Video
43 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:39:34pm

re: #34 Dustyvet

Sorry, just NO to Michael Jackson.
Glad to "see" you back, with the lizards!

44 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:40:10pm

re: #43 Floral Giraffe

Sorry, just NO to Michael Jackson.
Glad to "see" you back, with the lizards!

TA...:)

45 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:41:17pm

How to piss off a squirrel!


Youtube Video
46 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:41:45pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Cato, be strong. I wish the best for you & your family!
{Cato}

47 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:42:29pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Extraneous interference.

48 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:43:09pm

re: #45 Dustyvet

I saw a whole hour on Brisitsh TV of squirrel torture.
LOVE IT!

49 Clemente  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:43:13pm

Good news from on high - a brighter, clearer future awaits:

Let there be light: Camera hooked up for Hubble

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. – A pair of spacewalking astronauts overpowered a stubborn bolt and successfully installed a new piano-sized camera in the Hubble Space Telescope on Thursday, the first step to making the observatory better than ever.

"Let there be light," spacewalker John Grunsfeld said as ground controllers checked the power hookups.

Grunsfeld and Andrew Feustel also completed other major chores, replacing a science data-handling unit that broke last fall and hooking up a docking ring so a robotic craft can guide Hubble into the Pacific years from now.

One upgrade down, four to go!

50 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:43:21pm

Cato, sorry about your aunt.

As an aside, I didn't know it was possible to be OT in an open thread.

51 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:44:22pm

re: #48 Floral Giraffe

I saw a whole hour on British TV of squirrel torture.
LOVE IT!

SHEESH!
Teh spellings!

52 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:47:59pm

re: #51 Floral Giraffe

SHEESH!
Teh spellings!

Pobody's nerfect!

53 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:48:18pm

re: #50 Abu Al-Poopypants

Yep, I thought of that after I hit "post". Too lost in my own rant.

Thanks for good wishes everybody. My aunt was a fighter who won the battle against brain cancer and complications and went on for a good while after that. This all started on May 2 and went quickly from there, so no long suffering. It's the meddling from "well-meaning" charlatans that gets my dander up. But then everyone is an expert on other people's illnesses...

Good night, and good luck.

54 redc1c4  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:48:30pm

Stephen Wright is just *so* wrong, it's hysterical...

55 Erik The Red  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:48:33pm

re: #45 Dustyvet

Hey Dv find the one where they launch a tree rat with a sling shot. I love that one:)

56 redc1c4  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:49:39pm

re: #55 Erik The Red

Hey Dv find the one where they launch a tree rat with a sling shot. I love that one:)

speaking of rats... %-)

57 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:49:53pm

re: #45 Dustyvet

[Link: www.youtube.com:80...]

/accept no squirrel substitute

58 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:53:10pm

re: #54 redc1c4

Stephen Wright is just *so* wrong, it's hysterical...

The Unofficial Steven Wright or Mitch Hedberg Quiz

There are 12 quotes, and you have to guess whether Steven Wright or Mitch Hedberg said each quote!

59 kateca  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:53:21pm

Got a squirrel nest out my kitchen window. Know the whole family. The mom and the two babies. They actually come up to my kitchen window and plead when the feeder is empty.

60 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:53:57pm

re: #54 redc1c4

Stephen Wright is just *so* wrong, it's hysterical...

Youtube Video

/oh, you mean't Stephen Lynch

61 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:54:40pm

re: #59 kateca

Got a squirrel nest out my kitchen window. Know the whole family. The mom and the two babies. They actually come up to my kitchen window and plead when the feeder is empty.

Damn freeloaders. I say feed 'em, then eat 'em. Think of it as a return on your seed investment./

62 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:55:38pm

re: #55 Erik The Red

Hey Dv find the one where they launch a tree rat with a sling shot. I love that one:)


squirrrel relocation service


Youtube Video
63 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:55:39pm

re: #59 kateca

Got a squirrel nest out my kitchen window. Know the whole family. The mom and the two babies. They actually come up to my kitchen window and plead when the feeder is empty.

You'd better keep feeding them, too. Otherwise, you'll have to talk to this guy.

64 calcajun  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:57:00pm

re: #57 Killian Bundy

[Link: www.youtube.com:80...]

/accept no squirrel substitute

Squirrel Helper?

65 srb1976  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:57:07pm

re: #58 gmsc

The Unofficial Steven Wright or Mitch Hedberg Quiz

There are 12 quotes, and you have to guess whether Steven Wright or Mitch Hedberg said each quote!

I got 11 out of 12...not sure if I'm proud or frightened = )

66 Dustyvet  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:57:19pm

Ultimate Squirrel Launching Compilation


Youtube Video
67 gmsc  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:58:19pm

re: #65 srb1976

I got 11 out of 12...not sure if I'm proud or frightened = )

I only got 8 out of 12, which is pretty good considering I've never heard of Mitch Hedberg before.

68 redc1c4  Thu, May 14, 2009 11:58:34pm

re: #58 gmsc

The Unofficial Steven Wright or Mitch Hedberg Quiz

There are 12 quotes, and you have to guess whether Steven Wright or Mitch Hedberg said each quote!

they're both so bent that if you duct taped them together, you'd have a comic mobius strip.

69 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, May 15th:

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Highlights of this day in history: Alabama Gov. George Wallace shot on presidential campaign trail; Newly-founded Israel attacked by Arab neighbors; The U.S. Supreme Court breaks up Standard Oil.; Country singer June Carter Cash dies.

Other notable May 15th events include:

1252 – Pope Innocent IV issues the papal bull ad exstirpanda, which authorizes, but also limits, the torture of heretics in the Medieval Inquisition.

1567 – Mary Queen of Scots marries James Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell, her third husband.

1618 – Johannes Kepler confirms his previously rejected discovery of the third law of planetary motion (he first discovered it on March 8 but soon rejected the idea after some initial calculations were made).

1718 – James Puckle, a London lawyer, patents the world's first machine gun.

1756 – The Seven Years' War begins when England declares war on France.

1776 – American Revolution: the Virginia Convention instructs its Continental Congress delegation to propose a resolution of independence from Great Britain, paving the way for the United States Declaration of Independence.

1800 – George III survives two assassination attempts in one day.

1862 – President Abraham Lincoln signs a bill into law creating the United States Bureau of Agriculture. it is later renamed the United States Department of Agriculture.

1905 – Las Vegas, Nevada, is founded when 110 acres (0.4 km2), in what later would become downtown, are auctioned off.

1928 – Mickey Mouse premiered in his first cartoon, Plane Crazy.

1940 – McDonald's opens its first restaurant in San Bernardino, California.

1970 – President Richard Nixon appoints Anna Mae Hays and Elizabeth P. Hoisington the first female United States Army Generals.

2008 – California becomes the second U.S. state after Massachusetts in 2004 to legalize same-sex marriage after the state's own Supreme Court rules a previous ban unconstitutional.

70 srb1976  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:01:21am

re: #68 redc1c4

they're both so bent that if you duct taped them together, you'd have a comic mobius strip.

I am a big fan of steven wright though...Wicker Chairs and Gravity is one of my favorites...

71 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:02:49am

re: #62 Dustyvet

LOL.Not that one. I will try and find it.

72 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:03:52am

re: #66 Dustyvet

That is it. LMAO. Thanks

73 Silvergirl  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:07:13am

re: #69 gmsc

1928 – Mickey Mouse premiered in his first cartoon, Plane Crazy.

I thought it was Steamboat Willie. I guess I'll never be a Jeopardy contestant.

74 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:09:30am

Classic Nispey Russell Poem:

Youtube Video

Based on this poem, I suggest a new word be added to the LGF dictionary: "Congressive", meaning, "to work with the goal of tearing things down which have been carefully built up, especially things that are highly regarded and/or things that are created over a long time with cherished principles."

75 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:10:09am

re: #73 Silvergirl

1928 – Mickey Mouse premiered in his first cartoon, Plane Crazy.

I thought it was Steamboat Willie. I guess I'll never be a Jeopardy contestant.

Nope - Steamboat Willie was the first animated movie with sychronized sound.

76 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:10:58am

re: #69 gmsc

1905 – Las Vegas, Nevada, is founded when 110 acres (0.4 km2), in what later would become downtown, are auctioned off.

1928 – Mickey Mouse premiered in his first cartoon, Plane Crazy.

1940 – McDonald's opens its first restaurant in San Bernardino, California.

Don't you love how Las Vegas, Mickey Mouse and McDonald's all share the same birthday?

77 Dustyvet  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:13:03am

re: #72 Erik The Red

That is it. LMAO. Thanks

Welcome...:)

78 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:14:25am

re: #17 Dustyvet

"Who's On First?"

Hey, if you like "Who's On First"-type routines . . .

79 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:19:22am

How squirrels work out how to get to those bird feeders:

Youtube Video
80 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:20:15am

re: #78 gmsc

who's on first?...heck, who's on this thread?
zzz...zzz...zzz...

81 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:20:51am

Cracks in the Facade

Worth a read. By Victor Davis Hanson.

Nevertheless, I think we are beginning — after less than four months — to see fissures in Obama’s Pentelic statuary. And the cracks will widen, because in about six areas he has taken on human nature itself, age-old logic, and common sense-opponents that even a Harvard Law degree and Chicago organizing are no match for.

82 kateca  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:21:19am

re: #70 srb1976

I am a big fan of steven wright though...Wicker Chairs and Gravity is one of my favorites...


sorry don't know how to do the linky but wicker chairs remined me of John Candy.

350 lbs, and he's going right for those wicker chairs...

83 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:21:30am

re: #80 IslandLibertarian

who's on first?...heck, who's on this thread?
zzz...zzz...zzz... ...

stop your snoring: i'm trying to sleep.

84 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:23:22am

re: #80 IslandLibertarian

IL ... well, I am here ... but I have been afraid to come out after my last postings while PWD ... is it safe to come out again? ...

85 srb1976  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:23:39am

re: #83 redc1c4

stop your snoring: i'm trying to sleep.

Today is my day to stay up late, night shift starts tomorrow...yay

86 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:24:59am

re: #84 JacksonTn

What did you post? I missed it.

87 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:25:01am

re: #81 Erik The Red

Cracks in the Facade

Worth a read. By Victor Davis Hanson.

Nevertheless, I think we are beginning — after less than four months — to see fissures in Obama’s Pentelic statuary. And the cracks will widen, because in about six areas he has taken on human nature itself, age-old logic, and common sense-opponents that even a Harvard Law degree and Chicago organizing are no match for.

Excellent piece of work!

88 Dustyvet  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:26:57am

re: #83 redc1c4

stop your snoring: i'm trying to sleep.

Youtube Video
89 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:27:05am

re: #86 Erik The Red

EtR ... um ... well, if you didn't were not there ... I am sure not going to repeat it ... I was just .. um not going by the Iron Fist rule last Saturday ... so ... I am embarrassed ... but I cannot keep from lurking ... if nothing else ... I still love you guys ... nothing bad ... just probably vomiting too much emotion ...

90 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:28:15am

re: #89 JacksonTn

EtR ... um ... well, if you didn't were not there ... I am sure not going to repeat it ... I was just .. um not going by the Iron Fist rule last Saturday ... so ... I am embarrassed ... but I cannot keep from lurking ... if nothing else ... I still love you guys ... nothing bad ... just probably vomiting too much emotion ...

BTDT on a few occasions. Don't worry about it.

91 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:28:56am

The Myth of "Market Failure"

People insist that government must interfere in the free market economy in order to prevent -- or correct -- "market failure." Let's think about this term "market failure." A market refers to millions of different business transactions going on at the same time. This includes everything from buying a pack of gum at a convenience store, to billion-dollar real estate or stock transactions, and everything in between. To say there's such a thing as "market failure" is merely to acknowledge the obvious: That people sometimes make errors. As a result, the claimed need for government intervention amounts to the following: "Because human beings sometimes make errors, government must intervene to correct those errors, as well as prevent them." This is the rationale behind one-hundred percent of today's government policies, and behind more of its policies than not for about the last century or so. Every time something goes wrong, it's blamed on "market failure." Every time something goes right, the administration and Congress in power are given credit. Collective action by bureaucrats and politicians is assumed to be the reason for all of human progress and development; individual action by human beings is thought to be the reason for all error, bad judgment or even dishonesty. But this makes absolutely no sense. Human beings are in charge of their actions either way. Whether those actions are right, wrong or debatable -- it's human beings making them. It's futile and silly to try and legislate into existence a situation where human beings can be protected from their own fallible natures -- by human beings who choose to enter careers in government, of all things! Laws to negate and punish fraud, theft or initiation of violence are one thing. You surely cannot have civilization without them. At the same time, laws enacted to, in effect, create businesses, generate profit, or achieve innovation and ingenuity -- does anyone seriously believe that government can actually create these things?

92 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:30:45am

Good News!

93 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:31:14am

re: #90 Erik The Red

EtR ... well, after last nights postings about viagra, etc. by some others ... I thought well, maybe my posts were not so bad ... dang ...

94 Dustyvet  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:34:09am

re: #93 JacksonTn

EtR ... well, after last nights postings about viagra, etc. by some others ... I thought well, maybe my posts were not so bad ... dang ...

Image: Viagra.jpg

95 kateca  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:34:32am

re: #79 gmsc

lol. I've tried everything to accomodate both the birds and the squirrells but the squirells always win. The little rodents have outmanuvered me at every turn.

96 Dustyvet  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:35:12am

re: #94 Dustyvet

[Link: www.joe-ks.com...]

Image: i-eated-a-viagra.jpg

97 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:35:19am

re: #94 Dustyvet

DustyVet .. how are you? ... I was really worried about you ... hope all is going as well as could be expected after your loss ... so sorry ... I know the feeling ...

98 Dustyvet  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:36:43am

re: #97 JacksonTn

DustyVet .. how are you? ... I was really worried about you ... hope all is going as well as could be expected after your loss ... so sorry ... I know the feeling ...

Thanks, things are going a bit better here.

99 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:36:59am

re: #95 kateca

lol. I've tried everything to accomodate both the birds and the squirrells but the squirells always win. The little rodents have outmanuvered me at every turn.

Invite red around for a few beers and I bet your problem will be solved:)

100 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:41:55am

re: #99 Erik The Red

Invite red around for a few beers and I bet your problem will be solved:)

we simply feed everyone but the soul chickens, and flying roaches, but the roaches have never appeared in our yard, and the crows now simply fly around it as a "no-go" zone... %-)

101 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:42:19am

re: #100 redc1c4

we simply feed everyone but the soul chickens, and flying roaches, but the roaches have never appeared in our yard, and the crows now simply fly around it as a "no-go" zone... %-)

i'm up for the beers anyway %-)

102 kateca  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:43:07am

Red,

I could shoot them myself if I wanted them shot.

but the beer thing is nice:)

103 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:43:54am

re: #100 redc1c4

we simply feed everyone but the soul chickens, and flying roaches, but the roaches have never appeared in our yard, and the crows now simply fly around it as a "no-go" zone... %-)

redc ... roaches ... you have never seen roaches so big as where I come from ... my sister still freaks about roaches ... big flying roaches ... when it is really damp in the south ... they really come out ...

104 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:44:12am

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Sorry to hear about your aunt. May she go in peace.

105 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:44:34am

For all our reds and blues:

Youtube Video
106 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:46:48am

re: #105 gmsc

For all our reds and blues:

not drunk enough for that... %-)

107 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:47:26am

re: #103 JacksonTn

redc ... roaches ... you have never seen roaches so big as where I come from ... my sister still freaks about roaches ... big flying roaches ... when it is really damp in the south ... they really come out ...

there's a reason i live in a semi-desert, and why i went to Benning in January. %-)

108 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:48:26am

re: #106 redc1c4

not drunk enough for that... %-)

Nope? Nope! Nope! Nope!

109 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:49:05am

re: #102 kateca

Red,

I could shoot them myself if I wanted them shot.

but the beer thing is nice:)

we view ours as being all part of the "Cat TV" channel for our boys when we're not home... it's great, relaxing fun to watch their antics.

110 kateca  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:49:17am

re: #103 JacksonTn

I'm your neighbor in Mississippi. Forget about cockroaches. It's chiggars and ticks.

111 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:50:56am

re: #110 kateca

I'm your neighbor in Mississippi. Forget about cockroaches. It's chiggars and ticks.

i spent two weeks in Camp Shelby one summer... that was enough for me.

112 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:51:24am

re: #93 JacksonTn

have you had a post deleted?
it's like...shameful...and confusing...like, huh? what'd I say that was so bad?

/then you get back on the keyboard

113 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:51:38am

is it too late to post a song? ... it is quiet ... it is radiohead ... but I like it ...

Youtube Video
114 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:53:58am

re: #112 IslandLibertarian

have you had a post deleted?
it's like...shameful...and confusing...like, huh? what'd I say that was so bad?

/then you get back on the keyboard

wait'll you get deleted and banned...

/most disconcerting. %-)

115 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:55:46am

re: #112 IslandLibertarian

have you had a post deleted?
it's like...shameful...and confusing...like, huh? what'd I say that was so bad?

/then you get back on the keyboard

IL ... well, not that I now of except for maybe posting a phone number or something ... but I have never gone back to election night posts ... now that night ... I could have been deleted many times ... seriously ...

116 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:56:16am

Evenin', lizards...

117 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:57:20am

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

Evenin', lizards...

FN ... um... not sure where you are ... but I am thinking it is morning ... well almost ... unless you been up drinking all night ...

118 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:57:25am

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

Evenin', lizards...

Hey FN.

119 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:57:42am

re: #112 IslandLibertarian

have you had a post deleted?
it's like...shameful...and confusing...like, huh? what'd I say that was so bad?

/then you get back on the keyboard

I might've...but it was probably because I quoted verbatim a post that was deleted.

120 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:59:23am

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

Evenin', lizards...

Evening. To make you feel at home here:

Youtube Video
121 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:01:15am

re: #119 Fenway_Nation

I might've...but it was probably because I quoted verbatim a post that was deleted.

i've had a few of those too... %-)

122 gmsc  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:01:55am

It's time for me to get some sleep.

Good night, all!

123 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:02:21am

re: #122 gmsc

It's time for me to get some sleep.

Good night, all!

gmsc ... good night ...

124 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:02:50am

re: #119 Fenway_Nation

mine was deleted for MY content...who knew joking about Ninjas, Beck and Kilgore Trout could be wrong?

125 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:03:55am

re: #124 IslandLibertarian

mine was deleted for MY content...who knew joking about Ninjas, Beck and Kilgore Trout could be wrong?

well, KT has no sense of humor...

126 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:04:14am

I just love her ... so a song by Joan Armatrading ... she never got the respect she deserved ...

Turn Out the Light ...

Youtube Video
127 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:05:02am

re: #121 redc1c4

i've had a few of those too... %-)

I had a few the other night. Nothing bad but Charles felt that there was not enough creditable sources to keep it up.

128 IslandLibertarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:05:41am

re: #125 redc1c4

well, KT has no sense of humor...

He's made me laugh more than once...maybe not intentionally.

129 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:07:52am

I tend to walk away from my computer when KT,Avanti or Cognito start posting. And when all three are on at the same time I run. Not worth my BP rising.

130 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:08:28am

I've been banned before for a completely misconstrued joke.

Not a pleasant feeling. And every time LGF randomly automatically logs me out, I get this nervous feeling when I'm trying to log in again, even when I haven't done anything wrong.

131 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:09:47am

re: #130 TheMatrix31

I've been banned before for a completely misconstrued joke.

Not a pleasant feeling. And every time LGF randomly automatically logs me out, I get this nervous feeling when I'm trying to log in again, even when I haven't done anything wrong.

I remember that. You weren't gone for long IIRC.

132 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:11:53am

re: #131 Erik The Red

I remember that. You weren't gone for long IIRC.

Like, 10 minutes, lol.

133 JacksonTn  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:12:18am

re: #128 IslandLibertarian

He's made me laugh more than once...maybe not intentionally.

IL ... yes, I like KT too ... he is his own person ... I give him a hard time at times about his rub on republicans (even tho I am don't have a party now) ... but the thing is ... at least here we can do that and still respect each other ... he is a cool guy ... does his own thing ... isn't that what it is suppose to be about ... I hope this site keeps having room for everybody ... and I have to admit I slam Avanti more than I should but I am getting over my immediate after election ODS ... well ... most of the time ...

134 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:13:33am

Kinda bittersweet night for Boston sports tonight- mostly bitter;

as giddy as I was on Sunday and Tuesday with the Bruins, Red Sox and Celtics winning, today was 180 degrees the opposite...and in the case of the Bruins, it cost them their season.

However, I feel it's worth mentioning that not only did Red Sox closer Johnathan Papelbon autograph a Sports Illustrated cover from fall 2007 for me, but he signed a duplicate copy (and personalized it) for a buddy of mine who lost his house in the California wildfires back in '07- as well as the various ticket stubs, baseballs, programs, gloves, trading cards, 8 X 10s that kids of all ages were dangling in front of him during batting practice the other day.

Probably also worth mentioning that Kevin Youkilis, Jacoby Ellsbury and Josh Beckett- a notoriously difficult autograph to get- were signing before the game as well.

135 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:13:46am

re: #126 JacksonTn

I just love her ... so a song by Joan Armatrading ... she never got the respect she deserved ...

Turn Out the Light ...


she's still with us, according to Wiki... Drop the Pilot

136 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:16:05am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Kinda bittersweet night for Boston sports tonight- mostly bitter;

as giddy as I was on Sunday and Tuesday with the Bruins, Red Sox and Celtics winning, today was 180 degrees the opposite...and in the case of the Bruins, it cost them their season.

However, I feel it's worth mentioning that not only did Red Sox closer Johnathan Papelbon autograph a Sports Illustrated cover from fall 2007 for me, but he signed a duplicate copy (and personalized it) for a buddy of mine who lost his house in the California wildfires back in '07- as well as the various ticket stubs, baseballs, programs, gloves, trading cards, 8 X 10s that kids of all ages were dangling in front of him during batting practice the other day.

Probably also worth mentioning that Kevin Youkilis, Jacoby Ellsbury and Josh Beckett- a notoriously difficult autograph to get- were signing before the game as well.

Beckett's a tough autograph? Why? Is he a punk?

137 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:18:09am

HA! Kobe and the Lakers choke again... Magic Rockets in the finals?

138 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:22:05am

re: #136 TheMatrix31

He usually has some babe on his arm and can't be bothered, but has been known to sign for the occasional precocious tyke.

This time around, he was signing for pretty much everyone lined up along the right field side of Angels Stadium during pre-game the other day.

139 kateca  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:23:09am

re: #111 redc1c4

I grew up in California. We didn't have bugs. I never used insecticides. In Mississippi incecticides are mandatory. If you don't de-bug your property they will eat you alive.

Hey greenies, come to Mississippi and tell me not to use melathion around my house. I don't want to destroy the eco-system, I just want the termites, chiggars ticks and fleas to back off. Just asking for a two acre radius. Totally willing to let the insects flourish in the back forty.

140 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:24:55am

re: #139 kateca

I grew up in California. We didn't have bugs. I never used insecticides. In Mississippi incecticides are mandatory. If you don't de-bug your property they will eat you alive.

Hey greenies, come to Mississippi and tell me not to use melathion around my house. I don't want to destroy the eco-system, I just want the termites, chiggars ticks and fleas to back off. Just asking for a two acre radius. Totally willing to let the insects flourish in the back forty.

Sevin w*rks real well on fleas... better than malathion for that.

i think my dad may still have a bottle of Chlordane, and i know he's still got some creosote...

141 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:25:11am

re: #137 redc1c4

HA! Kobe and the Lakers choke again... Magic Rockets in the finals?

I hope so. I will become a Magic fan when I get to Orlando. Cav fan from birth.

142 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:26:50am

everyone behave: LeePro's posting to Facebook, so she's likely lurking here too.

/white smoke

143 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:26:51am

re: #141 Erik The Red

I hope so. I will become a Magic fan when I get to Orlando. Cav fan from birth.


BOOO!

/Don't care anymore...Bruins losing hurts more than the Celts losing. And we're not even 2 months into baseball season.

144 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:28:24am

re: #141 Erik The Red

I hope so. I will become a Magic fan when I get to Orlando. Cav fan from birth.

i've pretty much lost my taste for pro sports, so i'm not a big Lakers fan, but Kobe is such an arrogant selfish twit, i get a perverse pleasure in watching him fail...

145 harry catbox  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:28:33am

Perfection is merely an ideal used to torture imperfect beings such as we.

146 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:29:36am

i'm for bed, so i can get stuff done in the day time... lots of short fuse stuff to make happen.

147 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:29:41am

re: #144 redc1c4

i've pretty much lost my taste for pro sports, so i'm not a big Lakers fan, but Kobe is such an arrogant selfish twit, i get a perverse pleasure in watching him fail...

I get a sickening pleasure even thinking about Laker failure.

It's beyond perverse.

148 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:31:03am

re: #145 harry catbox

Perfection is merely an ideal used to torture imperfect beings such as we.

speak for yourself. i can be a perfect PITA without much effort.

149 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:31:49am

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

BOOO!

/Don't care anymore...Bruins losing hurts more than the Celts losing. And we're not even 2 months into baseball season.

I stopped getting worked up over sports years ago. After South Africa got knocked out of the Cricket World Cup I cried myself to sleep. Woke up the next morning and thought WTF.

150 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:32:14am

re: #146 redc1c4

i'm for bed, so i can get stuff done in the day time... lots of short fuse stuff to make happen.

Later red.

151 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:32:36am

re: #147 TheMatrix31

I enjoyed last year's NBA finals for the same reason...Boston winning it was almost an afterthought.

152 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:32:41am

re: #149 Erik The Red

I stopped getting worked up over sports years ago. After South Africa got knocked out of the Cricket World Cup I cried myself to sleep. Woke up the next morning and thought WTF.

how many crickets fit into the world cup, and why is there a contest for doing so?

153 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:33:05am

re: #152 redc1c4

how many crickets fit into the world cup, and why is there a contest for doing so?

LOL.

154 harry catbox  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:33:10am

LETS GO METS

155 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:33:12am

re: #150 Erik The Red

Later red.

and yet i keep posting... somebody grab the keyboard from me!

156 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:33:21am

re: #152 redc1c4

And are they chocolate covered?

157 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:33:57am

re: #155 redc1c4

I'm afflicted with that same condition, Red.

158 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:34:13am

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

I enjoyed last year's NBA finals for the same reason...Boston winning it was almost an afterthought.

I enjoyed Game 4 (The Comeback) and Game 6 the most.

Watching all the pretty little Laker faces here in LA-LA land...it was just beautiful.

159 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:35:59am
160 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:37:35am

re: #158 TheMatrix31

I'm a Boston fan in California, so I get to hear at least a week's worth of shit-talking from Lakers/Chargers/Angels fans whenever they go up against the Celtics/Patriots/Red Sox.

After the games, I usually get to hear about 6 months worth of moping.

161 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:41:10am

OK...I'm getting two banner ads- one featuring the Muslima and one for McCarthy for Congress.

What if the Muslima ran for congress on the GOP ticket instead?

162 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:44:48am

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

I'm a Boston fan in California, so I get to hear at least a week's worth of shit-talking from Lakers/Chargers/Angels fans whenever they go up against the Celtics/Patriots/Red Sox.

After the games, I usually get to hear about 6 months worth of moping.

Today, one of my friends posted something saying;

"I can't believe Rockets fans actually wear shirts saying "Laker hater" as if they are even on the same level as our team...can't wait for Game 7"

I proceeded to point out the hypocrisy of her statement, and how the Rockets have pushed the Lakers to Game 7 without their two best players and their backup center.

163 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:46:22am
164 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:47:41am

re: #163 Iron Fist

Speaking of Gatling Guns, does anyone know where I can score sixty grand real quick? Man, but is that a beautiful weapon. That would be a better conversation piece than a Browning .50. Of course, this one costs a lot more than a Browning .50.

Gun p0rn. I love it.

165 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:50:12am

re: #162 TheMatrix31

Heh...heard the same thing from Yankees fans prior to 2003. Of course, I was sporting my Yankees Suck or Yankee Hater T-shirts...which actually were some of the tamer offerings from Sully's Tees.

After 2004, I kept saying to them 'Somewhere in Brooklyn, there's a warehouse full of 1918 or The Curse of the Bambino Lives t-shirts that aren't going to see the light of day...'

166 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:52:28am

re: #163 Iron Fist

That is a beautiful weapon, but it was manufactured in 1991. What would a vintage Gatling gun cost?

167 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:54:38am
168 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:57:05am

re: #167 Iron Fist

And you don't have to worry about drool getting on the finish.

169 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:57:54am

re: #165 Fenway_Nation

Heh...heard the same thing from Yankees fans prior to 2003. Of course, I was sporting my Yankees Suck or Yankee Hater T-shirts...which actually were some of the tamer offerings from Sully's Tees.

After 2004, I kept saying to them 'Somewhere in Brooklyn, there's a warehouse full of 1918 or The Curse of the Bambino Lives t-shirts that aren't going to see the light of day...'

Hahaha...that reminds me of a post I read on another board regarding the shirts and hats that never get worn so they get sent to Africa or something.

Paraphrasing, it said that somewhere in Africa, there is some bizarro-world where the Patriots went 19-0, the Red Sox won the 1986 World Series, the Blazers were the 2000 Western Conference Champs, and the Braves have five World Series wins in the 1990s.

170 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:00:12am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

171 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:00:12am
172 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:00:51am

re: #170 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

{lol} Good Morning.

173 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:01:46am

re: #170 littleoldlady

Good morning lol. Thank you for the fruitcup!

174 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:01:58am

re: #170 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Mornin'

175 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:02:13am

re: #169 TheMatrix31

ESPN followed the path of the 19-0 New England T-shirts all the way down to Nicaragua. In all honesty, I wanted to put a bruck thru the TV, since the question's been asked before, but they chose when New England lost to follow the what-could-have-been T-shirts in an in-depth story.

176 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:03:06am

Erik! :-)

BatGuano! :-)

Matrix! :-)

177 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:03:18am
178 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:03:23am

re: #170 littleoldlady

Yay! Fruitcup!

Thank you, littleoldlady!

179 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:05:59am

Iron Fist! :-)

Hiya! The gun talk obscured you.

/eyes glazed over... ;-)

180 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:06:15am

Fenway! :-)

181 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:06:22am

re: #175 Fenway_Nation

ESPN followed the path of the 19-0 New England T-shirts all the way down to Nicaragua. In all honesty, I wanted to put a bruck thru the TV, since the question's been asked before, but they chose when New England lost to follow the what-could-have-been T-shirts in an in-depth story.

Can't say I shed a tear, lol.

/Patriots-hater since birth.

182 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:12:14am

re: #181 TheMatrix31

Can't say I shed a tear, lol.

/Patriots-hater since birth.

I'm not a pats hater from birth, I'm just a Belichick not- liker since I knew who he was.

183 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:14:46am

re: #181 TheMatrix31

Izzat so? There wasn't too much to hate prior to Superbowl XXXVI- just pity.

184 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:16:33am

re: #183 Fenway_Nation

Izzat so? There wasn't too much to hate prior to Superbowl XXXVI- just pity.

My brother is a Dolphins fan, so I pretty much hate all things AFC East, lol.

185 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:22:56am
186 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:23:47am

re: #184 TheMatrix31

T.O. is playing for the only NFL team with that plays their home games in NY state...guess this will be the death knell for my ambivelance about the Bills (who's fans were much more tolerable than the Jets or Giants fans).

187 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:30:16am

A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn’t seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: “My friend is dead! What can I do?”

The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: “Just take it easy. I can help. First, let’s make sure he’s dead.” There is a silence, then a shot is heard.

The guy’s voice comes back on the line. He says: “OK, now what?“

188 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:30:35am

re: #185 Iron Fist

For some reason, gun talk appears around me with startling consistancy. It's like it is following me around or something :-)

REALLY?!

/bwhahaha!

Don't mind me, Iron Fist. It's been like this since I got here. Gun-talk just puts me to sleep. And let's not even get started on ordnance.

/MAJOR achievement when I learned how to spell it! ;-)

189 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:35:49am

Mr. Brown the old history teacher had a dirty mouth. He was always saying something off color or suggestive.

One day after class, Sally approaches his desk with a flock of girls in tow. "Mr. Brown," she said, "We are tired of your filthy remarks and we aren't going to put up with in anymore! The next time you say something nasty in class, we are all going to complain to the principal."

Mr. Brown was silent and the girls stormed off thinking they had cowed him.

The next day as everyone arrives in class, Mr. Brown is reading the news paper. The bell rings, but he continues to read.

Finally, he look up and says, "Oh girls. You should find this interesting. The government is recruiting whores to go to Afghanistan and screw the servicemen over there for $100 a day."

All at once the girls get up and head for the door.

"Wait a minute!" shouted Mr. Brown. "The boat doesn't leave till Thursday!"

190 Buster Bunny  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:39:50am

Did someone just yell FREE BEER?

/hoping

191 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:39:58am

re: #182 BatGuano

I'm not a pats hater from birth, I'm just a Belichick not- liker since I knew who he was.

On the other hand, had he been coaching the Colts, they would be a dynasty with several Super Bowl wins.

192 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:41:25am

A man and a woman are sitting beside each other in the first class section of the plane. The woman sneezes, takes a tissue, gently wipes her nose, and shudders quite violently in her seat.

The man isn't sure why she is shuddering and goes back to reading.

A few minutes pass. The woman sneezes again. She takes a tissue, gently wipes her nose and shudders quite violently in her seat.

The man is becoming more and more curious about the shuddering.

A few more minutes pass. The woman sneezes yet again. She takes a tissue, gently wipes her nose and shudders violently again.

The man has finally had all he can handle. He turns to the woman and says, "Three times you've sneezed and three times you've taken a tissue and wiped your nose then shuddered violently! Are you sending me signals, or are you going crazy?"

The woman replies, "I'm sorry if I disturbed you. I have a rare condition and when I sneeze, I have an orgasm."

The man, now feeling a little embarrassed but even more curious says, "I've never heard of that before. What are you taking for it?"

The woman looks at him and says, "Pepper."

193 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:42:45am

re: #186 Fenway_Nation

T.O. is playing for the only NFL team with that plays their home games in NY state...guess this will be the death knell for my ambivelance about the Bills (who's fans were much more tolerable than the Jets or Giants fans).

For sure. I don't mind the Bills as much as the Jets or Pats either.

194 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:49:30am

FREE BEER!

/why should I care?...I don't drink the stuff!

BUNNY! :-)

195 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:53:49am

You know it's getting late and you should stop chasing your guinness with Bacardi & Coke when you start mistaking the Muslima in the banner ad for Alvin from Alvin & The Chipmunks...

196 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:59:20am

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

I believe that's an infraction of The Iron Fist Rule™

/rarely invoked when Iron Fist is actually HERE! ;-)

197 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:00:24am

ALVIN!

198 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:06:27am

Well...there's no telling whom I might mistake for some rodent, so I might as well try that 'sleep' thing.

Bye now, lizards!

199 littleoldlady  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:06:35am

One of my favorite songs but I have to remember not to play it at warp sound.

/I woke everyone :-(

Good day, ALL!™

200 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:06:39am

re: #197 littleoldlady

ALVIN!

Thank you, littleoldlady. I'm seven year sold again.

201 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:09:47am

Bye, Fenway and littleoldlady.

202 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:13:56am

Morning Lizards,

Happy Friday!

203 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:14:57am

re: #193 TheMatrix31

They do play in NY, and actually used to play in Buffalo, now in Orchard Park.

204 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:15:06am

re: #198 Fenway_Nation

re: #202 rightside

Bye FN.

Hi rs.

205 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:15:26am

Greatest come back in NFL history


Youtube Video
206 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:15:55am

re: #204 Erik The Red

Hey Erik.

207 TheMatrix31  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:22:34am

re: #205 BatGuano

Greatest come back in NFL history

Good thing that happened against the Houston Oilers, and not my Houston TEXANS.

208 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:29:51am

re: #207 TheMatrix31

Good thing that happened against the Houston Oilers, and not my Houston TEXANS.

Absolutely right! Big difference. :)

209 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:47:15am

Since it is just me here, I'd like to introduce a brain worm:

Youtube Video
210 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:53:11am

Hellooo!

211 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:54:15am

re: #210 MandyManners

Hellooo!

Good Morning 2M.

212 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:55:10am

re: #210 MandyManners

Good morning Mandy.

213 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:03:01am

Is that asshole Pelosi setting up the CIA for another Church Committee?

214 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:08:07am

re: #213 MandyManners

Is that asshole Pelosi setting up the CIA for another Church Committee?

She might try, but I think she will be the target of any investigation. The CIA is a little more sophisticated than it was 30 years ago.

215 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:08:51am

re: #214 BatGuano

She might try, but I think she will be the target of any investigation. The CIA is a little more sophisticated than it was 30 years ago.

Who will be doing the investigation?

216 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:13:56am

re: #215 MandyManners

In a perfect world, the Congres would ask for a "special prosecutor" to investigate. In reality I don't think anyone will investigate. In other words, she skates.

217 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:15:16am

re: #216 BatGuano

In a perfect world, the Congres would ask for a "special prosecutor" to investigate. In reality I don't think anyone will investigate. In other words, she skates.

She has screwed herself with the CIA forever.

218 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:18:06am
219 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:18:48am

re: #217 MandyManners

Oh, yes. She challenged their integrity and veracity. She has severed what comity she had with them. She can expect no help in any way from the CIA.

220 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:20:26am

re: #218 Iron Fist

But does that really matter? What is the CIA going to do to her? What can they do to her?

Drag their feet when they get requests from her. Bury her in paper for some requests. Not supply enough for others.

221 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:21:28am

re: #218 Iron Fist

But does that really matter? What is the CIA going to do to her? What can they do to her?

Directly nothing, indirectly, I'm suspecting that they can find out who'se got dirt where, when and how.

Just have to release that information to the proper sources.

Or, barring that, they could just dick around with Obama.

When Casey Stengel was asked the secret to managing a baseball team he said "Keep the 5 guys who know nothing about you away from the 5 guys who hate you."

And good morning Lizardim.

222 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:21:51am

Good Morning LGF

223 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:23:28am

re: #219 BatGuano

Oh, yes. She challenged their integrity and veracity. She has severed what comity she had with them. She can expect no help in any way from the CIA.

I think they'll provide the bare minimum but, they cannot cut her off completely.

224 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:24:52am

re: #220 MandyManners

I don't think she'll be asking for information from them but if she does there will be an information dump. But nothing they supply will help her.

225 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:25:17am

re: #223 MandyManners

I think they'll provide the bare minimum but, they cannot cut her off completely.

I think they've already been secretly firing botox darts at her face for years.

226 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:26:18am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

I think they've already been secretly firing botox darts at her face for years.

That would explain it.lol

227 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:27:03am

re: #224 BatGuano

I don't think she'll be asking for information from them but if she does there will be an information dump. But nothing they supply will help her.

Burying someone in paper is a fun thing to do.

228 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:28:21am

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

I think they've already been secretly firing botox darts at her face for years.

Would that explain this?

229 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:29:23am

re: #228 MandyManners

Would that explain this?

Mandy! There was no warning and I clicked on it!

230 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:30:24am

re: #228 MandyManners

Would that explain this?

Well, so much for breakfast, and lunch is looking iffy.

231 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:30:57am

Only a week left of school! The doctor's doubled The Kid's dosage of Adderall 'caused the first amount wasn't working well at school. I had no idea until I had that meeting with his teacher. It turned out that The Kid was getting disciplinary notes and not bringing them home, and lying when I asked him if he'd been in trouble.

232 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:31:22am

re: #229 BatGuano

Mandy! There was no warning and I clicked on it!

re: #230 Mithrax

Well, so much for breakfast, and lunch is looking iffy.

*snicker*

233 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:33:34am

re: #232 MandyManners

*snicker*

I must go to sleep now. God knows what I will dream about (shiver).
Good morning all.

234 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:35:56am

re: #233 BatGuano

I must go to sleep now. God knows what I will dream about (shiver).
Good morning all.

Is this better?

235 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:36:32am

re: #234 MandyManners

Heynow!

236 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:38:29am

re: #228 MandyManners

Would that explain this?

Damn it MM. Warning next time please.

237 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:40:09am

re: #234 MandyManners

Is this better?

Much better :)

238 BatGuano  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:40:10am

re: #234 MandyManners

I'm logging, off shutting down my computer and stepping away. Thank you Mandy, I bookmarked it :) Good night.

239 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:42:28am

re: #234 MandyManners

Meh. If she likes cats, loves reading and adores my cooking, then I'll be interested :P

240 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:43:01am

re: #228 MandyManners

Would that explain this?

Yep, here's whatshe looked like before they started the op.

241 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:44:21am

re: #240 Spare O'Lake

Yep, here's whatshe looked like before they started the op.

Damn she is butt fluff ugly.

242 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:44:35am

I'm trying to figure out which recipe for broccoli capellini to make tonight. They're pretty similar but one calls for four tablespoons of thinly sliced garlic. I think I'll do that one.

243 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:45:01am

re: #239 Mithrax

Meh. If she likes cats, loves reading and adores my cooking, then I'll be interested :P

So, you want her to be well-rounded?

244 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:45:24am

re: #240 Spare O'Lake

Yep, here's whatshe looked like before they started the op.

EEKS!

245 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:47:07am

In another charming bit of behavior, The Kid left his Nikes out in the rain the night before last so he had to wear his tan suede buck Sunday shoes to school yesterday. Well, they're STILL not dry. (I cannot put them in the dryer 'cause they knock open the door.)

246 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:48:14am

re: #245 MandyManners

In another charming bit of behavior, The Kid left his Nikes out in the rain the night before last so he had to wear his tan suede buck Sunday shoes to school yesterday. Well, they're STILL not dry. (I cannot put them in the dryer 'cause they knock open the door.)

Put them in a pillow case and tie a not or string around the end to close.

247 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:48:50am

re: #246 Erik The Red

Put them in a pillow case and tie a notknot or string around the end to close.

248 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:48:57am

And, last night, his team lost. He threw his helmet down and kicked it. Then, he pouted. *sigh* Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser but, there is a line. Military-school summer camp is looking good right now.

249 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:49:24am

re: #246 Erik The Red

Put them in a pillow case and tie a not or string around the end to close.

Doesn't work. They still knock open the door.

250 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:51:11am

It is very shallow to make fun of someone's physical appearance.

251 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:53:51am

Good morning.

The futures are pointing lower as the market anticipates new economic data being released that is not likely to be real positive...

Looks like the economy is not yet reacting real well to the Messiah's socialistic plans.

So let's spend a trillion or more on health care now.

252 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:55:30am

re: #250 Spare O'Lake

It is very shallow to make fun of someone's physical appearance.

Was she working the Democrats' convention in Denver?

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:55:57am

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Dayam!

254 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:56:20am

re: #243 MandyManners

So, you want her to be well-rounded?

Always!

Dated a woman that hated cats once...she only told me about 3-4 months INTO the relationship.

255 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:56:24am

re: #246 Erik The Red

Put them in a pillow case and tie a not or string around the end to close.

I put just one into a pillow case. So far the dryer is still running.

256 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:57:13am

re: #254 Mithrax

Always!

Dated a woman that hated cats once...she only told me about 3-4 months INTO the relationship.

Why did she wait so long?

257 Detector  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:57:13am

Sad news from Norway.

From [Link: [Link: www.Norwaypost.no...]...]

"The Oslo Jewish cemetary vandalised

The old cemetary of the Mosaic Religious Community in Oslo has been vandalised. Several gravestones have been defaced with Nazi symbols. The vandalism has been reported to the police.
The vandalism was discovered Thursday afternoon. On one gravestone was written: "Krigen er ikke over" (The war is not over).

The old Jewish cemetary in Oslo was established in 1869. It is now a heritage site."

258 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:59:04am

re: #256 MandyManners

Why did she wait so long?

Hell if I know. Then she told me how the cat was only supposed to be in the basement and it wasn't allowed to sleep on the bed, etc etc etc.

Now since I'd had my widdle puddytat since a kitten which choice do you think I made?

The cat is sleeping comfortably next to me :P

259 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:59:15am

re: #255 MandyManners

I put just one into a pillow case. So far the dryer is still running.

The other way is to get some duct tape and tape the door closed.

260 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:59:26am

re: #257 Detector

Sad news from Norway.

From [Link: [Link:

261 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:00:06am

re: #258 Mithrax

Hell if I know. Then she told me how the cat was only supposed to be in the basement and it wasn't allowed to sleep on the bed, etc etc etc.

Now since I'd had my widdle puddytat since a kitten which choice do you think I made?

The cat is sleeping comfortably next to me :P

I reckon she over-estimated her appeal.

262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:01:11am

re: #257 Detector

That is awful.

263 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:01:24am

re: #259 Erik The Red

The other way is to get some duct tape and tape the door closed.

A parent's best friend, duct tape. I useta' use it on his diaper to keep him from taking it off for no good reason.

264 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:01:46am

re: #261 MandyManners

I reckon she over-estimated her appeal.

Yup. And that "I never did anything nice for her, like buy flowers".

No, I bought groceries, clothes and paid some months of her car insurance because she was waiting for her sick pay to come in. But I never did anything nice!

Sigh. I always date the crazy ones.

265 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:01:56am

re: #257 Detector

Norway?!

266 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:02:31am

re: #264 Mithrax

Yup. And that "I never did anything nice for her, like buy flowers".

No, I bought groceries, clothes and paid some months of her car insurance because she was waiting for her sick pay to come in. But I never did anything nice!

Sigh. I always date the crazy ones.

What an entitled asshole!

267 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:04:08am

Top 10 Times In History When the F-word Was Appropriate

1. "Scattered fucking showers, my ass!" - Noah, 4314 BC

2. "How the fuck did you work that out?" - Pythagoras, 126 BC

3. "You want WHAT on the fucking ceiling?" - Michelangelo, 1566

4. "Where did all those fucking Indians come from?" - Custer, 1877

5. "It does so fucking look like her!" - Picasso, 1926

6. "Where the fuck are we?" - Amelia Earhart, 1937

7. "Any fucking idiot could understand that." - Albert Einstein, 1938

8. "What the fuck was that?" - Mayor Of Hiroshima, 1945

9. "I need this parade like I need a fucking hole in the head!" - JFK, 1963

10. "Aw c'mon. Who the fuck is going to find out?" - Bill Clinton, 1998

268 Detector  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:04:30am

F.B.V

Yes it is. But it's not the first time jews have been targeted. A couple of years ago someone shot at the synagouge in the city with an AK 47. The police also foiled an attempt to blow up the israeli embassy in the city shortly thereafter.

269 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:04:50am

This is getting amusing.

It appears that Obama lied about health care cost cutting, his administration admits it, then denies their own admission, and the Democratic party PR firm known as the New York Times carries the story.

Health Care Leaders Say Obama Overstated Their Promise to Control Costs

WASHINGTON — Hospitals and insurance companies said Thursday that President Obama had substantially overstated their promise earlier this week to reduce the growth of health spending.

Mr. Obama invited health industry leaders to the White House on Monday to trumpet their cost-control commitments. But three days later, confusion swirled in Washington as the companies’ trade associations raced to tamp down angst among members around the country.

After meeting with six major health care organizations, Mr. Obama hailed their cost-cutting promise as historic.

“These groups are voluntarily coming together to make an unprecedented commitment,” Mr. Obama said. “Over the next 10 years, from 2010 to 2019,

they are pledging to cut the rate of growth of national health care spending by 1.5 percentage points each year — an amount that’s equal to over $2 trillion.”

Health care leaders who attended the meeting have a different interpretation. They say they agreed to slow health spending in a more gradual way and did not pledge specific year-by-year cuts.

“There’s been a lot of misunderstanding that has caused a lot of consternation among our members,” said Richard J. Umbdenstock, the president of the American Hospital Association. “I’ve spent the better part of the last three days trying to deal with it.”


Nancy-Ann DeParle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform, said “the president misspoke” on Monday and again on Wednesday when he described the industry’s commitment in similar terms. After providing that account, Ms. DeParle called back about an hour later on Thursday and said: “I don’t think the president misspoke. His remarks correctly and accurately described the industry’s commitment.”


Kind of reminds me of the Pelosi press conference from yesterday.

270 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:07:44am

re: #269 3 wood

This is getting amusing.

It appears that Obama lied about health care cost cutting, his administration admits it, then denies their own admission, and the Democratic party PR firm known as the New York Times carries the story.

Health Care Leaders Say Obama Overstated Their Promise to Control Costs


Kind of reminds me of the Pelosi press conference from yesterday.

For some reason this song has been playing in my head lately.


Youtube Video
271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:07:57am

re: #269 3 wood

Mornin' Wood!

That is one obfuscating crew, ain't it? I do not remember anything like it in my lifetime.

272 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:08:29am

re: #266 MandyManners

What an entitled asshole!

Yes, but ah, what relief to be free. That was a year ago, but I still stay in contact with her (I do try to be nice and civil) and still blames everyone else for all her problems. Before I used to sympathize, now I just shake my head.

Normally, I interject with "dames is nothin but trouble!" but I shat, lest I get smacked with the cluebat :P

273 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:10:29am

re: #272 Mithrax

Yes, but ah, what relief to be free. That was a year ago, but I still stay in contact with her (I do try to be nice and civil) and still blames everyone else for all her problems. Before I used to sympathize, now I just shake my head.

Normally, I interject with "dames is nothin but trouble!" but I shat, lest I get smacked with the cluebat :P

I'd have to cut her off.

274 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:11:55am

re: #255 MandyManners

We just bought a mesh bag, the hangs on the door of the dryer. Door closes easily, and dries shoes/sneakers easily, without the thumpity, thumpity, thump.

Walmart, laundry supply aisle.

275 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:13:16am

re: #273 MandyManners

I'd have to cut her off.

Oh that happens over time, but I try to be a gentleman about things. Would I ever take her back? hell no. Would I ever get drunk in her presence? hell no.

Phone conversations every 8 weeks or so? Yeah, it's doable.

I'm looking at moving anyways, so it's all academic.

276 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:20:34am

re: #274 rightside

We just bought a mesh bag, the hangs on the door of the dryer. Door closes easily, and dries shoes/sneakers easily, without the thumpity, thumpity, thump.

Walmart, laundry supply aisle.

It's on my shopping list. THANKS!

277 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:21:08am

re: #231 MandyManners

Only a week left of school! The doctor's doubled The Kid's dosage of Adderall 'caused the first amount wasn't working well at school. I had no idea until I had that meeting with his teacher. It turned out that The Kid was getting disciplinary notes and not bringing them home, and lying when I asked him if he'd been in trouble.

Congratulations he's normal.

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:21:17am

re: #274 rightside

That's a better idea than a blanket with arms.

279 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:21:45am

re: #275 Mithrax

Oh that happens over time, but I try to be a gentleman about things. Would I ever take her back? hell no. Would I ever get drunk in her presence? hell no.

Phone conversations every 8 weeks or so? Yeah, it's doable.

I'm looking at moving anyways, so it's all academic.

It might be a kindness to tell her to pull her head out of her ass and start taking responsibility for her life.

280 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:23:08am

re: #277 DaddyG

Congratulations he's normal.

He's looking forward to taking the upped dosage 'cause it comes in a capsule that I can open and dump on apple sauce or whipped cream or a spoon of peanut butter. He hates swallowing pills.

281 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:23:37am

re: #279 MandyManners

It might be a kindness to tell her to pull her head out of her ass and start taking responsibility for her life.

Oh, I did. I was being mean :P

I'm just terribly amused by it now more than anything.

I can always find a way to laugh at my own mistakes.

Which is why I laugh all day :P

282 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:23:46am

Gotta' git.

283 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:25:00am

re: #280 MandyManners

He's looking forward to taking the upped dosage 'cause it comes in a capsule that I can open and dump on apple sauce or whipped cream or a spoon of peanut butter. He hates swallowing pills.

Mandy make sure you can do that. It may be a slow release or needs to be absorbed slowly. Check with your doctor.

284 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:26:21am

The missing part of GMSCs history today...

1252 – Pope Innocent IV issues the papal bull ad exstirpanda, which authorizes, but also limits, the torture of heretics in the Medieval Inquisition.

1259 - Cardinal Pelosini complains to the press that he was misinformed by the Grand Inquisitor as to the nature of the torture being used and claims he was only informed that the tortures were options not in use at the time. /

285 rain of lead  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:27:03am

OMFG!
Iowahawk has hit another one out of the park

roflmao

Liz Windsor

Thanks for that swell intro, Shecky. By the way, I know how much you love our infidel nuclear technology, but we've got another 1940's invention you should really check out. It's called deodorant.

(rimshot)

Listen folks, I know you came here expecting me to start hurling some tasteless insults at Barack Obama. But, seriously, I just can't bring myself to do it. Barack is almost like another son to me.

(audience: awww)

Yeah, another jug eared idiot with a hard-on for horsefaced women. Barack was in London a couple weeks ago and rang me up, asked if he could drop by for tea. So he comes in, and I'm thinking, whoa -- those Yanks have really stepped up their space program, he's brought along a real live Klingon. Turns out it was his wife.

(rimshot)


Yep. Then, oh Jesus, in she starts with all the hugging. And I'm like, fer chrissake, somebody hand Lieutenant Worf a planet Earth protocol guide. Then Barack pops off and says, "hey Your Majesty, I brought a gift." Okay, I'm thinking, car company? Banking system? National Park? Then I open the box. It's an iPod. A fucking iPod. Preloaded with Barack's easy listening speech hits.

(stares at Obama amid nervous laughter)

Yeah, way to cement that special relationship, dumbfuck. Jesus Christ, was Wal Mart sold out of Sham Wows? Oh yeah, that iPod is going in the vault with the crown jewels. Right next to that sack of DVDs you bought for Gordy Brown.

Gordon Brown

Now see here, Your Majesty! I thought that was quite thoughtful gesture, and...

Liz Windsor

Oh, shut the fuck up, Gordy. I don't come to your job and slap Obama's dick out of your mouth. Listen folks, my time's up, and this tiara is chafing like a sonuvabitch. Time for me to lie back and think of England. Don't forget to tip your waitress!

Shecky Ahmedinejad

286 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:29:43am

re: #264 Mithrax

Yup. And that "I never did anything nice for her, like buy flowers".

No, I bought groceries, clothes and paid some months of her car insurance because she was waiting for her sick pay to come in. But I never did anything nice!

Sigh. I always date the crazy ones.

It is unfortunate, but there are some women who never learn to look for and appreciate the things their men do for them, and instead are always upset about the things their men DON'T do for them.

287 reine.de.tout  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:30:53am

re: #283 Erik The Red

Mandy make sure you can do that. It may be a slow release or needs to be absorbed slowly. Check with your doctor.


Great advice.
The slow-release things often are OK taken this way IF they are not chewed. Mandy does need to check with the doc.

288 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:34:47am

Good morning lizards!

BBC gardening expert sacked for drunken abuse at family radio roadshow

Horticultural expertise has made her a household name after a string of TV and radio appearances.

But it seems that Daphne Ledward, author of the Idiot Gardener’s Handbook, is not above some idiotic behaviour herself.

After downing wine at a drinks reception, she apparently went berserk in front of the 150 guests, many of them children.

The 64-year- old even verbally abused strangers who were trying to calm her down.

Three people complained to her employers, BBC Radio Lincolnshire, and she was promptly sacked.

289 FrogMarch  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:36:19am

good morning fine lizards.

Please don't miss watching this - it's excellent!
Sonja Schmidt kicks ass.

(one of the many pitch perfect points Sonja makes is that if any lefty author was on the NYTimes #1 bestseller for months, that author would be paraded around all the various morning talk shows, etc... . Crickets to Mark Levin.)

290 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:36:38am

Seriously though,

We know pelosi is lying through her teeth. So what? Are they going to do anything to her? She should be impeached, I know, but does anyone think the dims will hold hearings with her?

/when pigs fly

291 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:38:23am

re: #286 reine.de.tout

It is unfortunate, but there are some women who never learn to look for and appreciate the things their men do for them, and instead are always upset about the things their men DON'T do for them.

Oh I offered to buy her Crysanthamums, but she missed the joke :P

292 UncleRancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:39:02am

... So I took up astronomy. I cut a hole in the ceiling for the telescope. The people upstairs were furious. -- Steven Wright

293 Erik The Red  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:40:06am

Later Lizards. Its Friday and I am leaving early. Extended stay at the pub :)

294 John Neverbend  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:42:06am

re: #288 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

BBC gardening expert sacked for drunken abuse at family radio roadshow

I thought this was de rigueur for BBC announcers.

295 UncleRancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:43:11am

re: #290 rightside

Seriously though,

We know pelosi is lying through her teeth. So what? Are they going to do anything to her? She should be impeached, I know, but does anyone think the dims will hold hearings with her?

/when pigs fly

That's what we thought about 0bama getting elected, and 100 days later, swine flu.

296 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:51:03am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Wood!

That is one obfuscating crew, ain't it? I do not remember anything like it in my lifetime.

They are greatly aided and abetted by a willing media that refuses to hold their feet to the fire.

Case in point, if you go to the NY Slimes this morning, you have to look hard to find a story on Pelosi's debacle of yesterday, and then they paint it as if she was harassed by the media.

Harassed? My gosh, she only really got asked one semi-tough question.

297 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:01:44am

Good morning. I finally decide to take a vacation and it looks like its going to rain the entire week at my destination of Hutchinson Island, FL. Why can't I catch a break?

298 lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:03:43am

re: #296 3 wood

Morning all.
The media/Pelosi complicity was exactly what I was going to post about. My local paper had an AP story on the 6th page. It was a perfect example of the hollowness of claims that we "need" the media to provide us with information. Having followed the story and watched the press conference, I can say unequivocally that those who were exposed to the article would be far LESS informed than those who skipped over it. The moral/pholosophical justification for newspapers is long dead. They exist solely as private political pamphlets with the goal of concealing information from the public and pushing their own agenda.
While I hate to see people lose jobs, the collapse of these media companies will leave us a far better informed nation, so I truly hope they fail.

299 rain of lead  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:05:46am

jeez, where did everbody go?

300 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:12:22am

re: #296 3 wood

They are greatly aided and abetted by a willing media that refuses to hold their feet to the fire.

Case in point, if you go to the NY Slimes this morning, you have to look hard to find a story on Pelosi's debacle of yesterday, and then they paint it as if she was harassed by the media.

Harassed? My gosh, she only really got asked one semi-tough question.

I heard a clip of her on the radio last night. She basically is calling it a Republican witch hunt.

301 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:12:36am

re: #299 rain of lead

I'm still here, what more do you need?

302 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:16:37am

re: #298 lincolntf

Morning all.
The media/Pelosi complicity was exactly what I was going to post about. My local paper had an AP story on the 6th page. It was a perfect example of the hollowness of claims that we "need" the media to provide us with information. Having followed the story and watched the press conference, I can say unequivocally that those who were exposed to the article would be far LESS informed than those who skipped over it. The moral/pholosophical justification for newspapers is long dead. They exist solely as private political pamphlets with the goal of concealing information from the public and pushing their own agenda.
While I hate to see people lose jobs, the collapse of these media companies will leave us a far better informed nation, so I truly hope they fail.

I don't see how that outcome is going to take place. Current news sources, for all their faults, are still sources. Without them, the flow of information is completely choked off. The President isn't going to bother holding press conferences if there isn't any press to conference with. Corporations aren't going to bother sending out press releases if there's no one to release them to. And no one in any position is going to answer uncomfortable questions if such questions aren't posed, or have no muscle to drag answers into the daylight.

The only problem I have with the current media establishments, in the US anyway, is their insistence on living behind the lie of impartiality, when they are in fact clearly biased. This is a uniquely American phenomenon, however; in other countries, the press is openly partisan, and you know when you get your product from a particular source just what those biases are, up front.

That used to be true here, too. I believe it was the Atlanta Constitution that used to fire a celebratory cannon blast from it's rooftop whenever one of the candidates it was supporting won an election. I wouldn't mind seeing this sort of open declaration of partisanship return.

But eliminating the media completely leaves everyone in complete informational darkness.

303 rain of lead  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:16:52am

re: #301 rightside

did you see my #285 Iowahawk nails it

304 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:18:41am

1. Name the one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends.

2. What famous North American landmark is constantly moving backward?

3. Of all vegetables, only two can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons. All other vegetables must be replanted every year. What are the only two perennial vegetables?

4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside?

5. In many liquor stores you can buy pear brandy, with a real pear inside the bottle. The pear is
Whole and ripe, and the bottle is genuine; it hasn't been cut in any way. How did the pear get inside the bottle?

6. Only three words in standard English begin with the letters 'dw' and they are all common words. Name two of them.

7. There are 14 punctuation marks in English grammar. Can you name at least half of them?

8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.

9. Name 6 or more things that you can wear on your feet beginning with the letter 'S.'

305 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:20:45am

The Atlantis astronauts are putting fresh gyros into Hubble.

Charles, what do you feed LGF's hamsters?

306 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:20:46am

re: #281 Mithrax

Oh, I did. I was being mean :P

I'm just terribly amused by it now more than anything.

I can always find a way to laugh at my own mistakes.

Which is why I laugh all day :P


Users are pros at sucking people in. I can't count the number of times we've adopted a hopeless case and ended up having a hard time cutting them loose. My kids do the same thing. We're more careful now but not to the point where we never help. Sometimes people really need the support.

307 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:20:50am

re: #298 lincolntf

Morning all.
The media/Pelosi complicity was exactly what I was going to post about. My local paper had an AP story on the 6th page. It was a perfect example of the hollowness of claims that we "need" the media to provide us with information. Having followed the story and watched the press conference, I can say unequivocally that those who were exposed to the article would be far LESS informed than those who skipped over it. The moral/pholosophical justification for newspapers is long dead. They exist solely as private political pamphlets with the goal of concealing information from the public and pushing their own agenda.
While I hate to see people lose jobs, the collapse of these media companies will leave us a far better informed nation, so I truly hope they fail.

I believe that what has happened in the MSM (and most of our colleges too by the way), is that they have gone so far left and have become such an echo chamber, that they see themselves as "middle of the road" and any bodyless left than Ted kennedy as "right wing extremist".

I have know and talke socially with many reporters over the years from some large outlets in print, TV and radio. I always try to ask them why they went into this field. Almost with out exception, they will say something along the lines of "I want to make a difference". Rarely have I ever heard them say "I want to report things accurately and balanced". They use their byline or their microphone to further their world view and their own political interests.

I saw an interesting piece on FOX the other week where they showed the White House Press Corp jumping to their feet every time Obama comes into the room. Then they went back and showed clips of Bush coming into to give press conferences and nobody stood up. It spoke volumes.

And they actually think they are balanced in their reporting.

308 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:21:08am

re: #302 SixDegrees

I don't see how that outcome is going to take place. Current news sources, for all their faults, are still sources. Without them, the flow of information is completely choked off. The President isn't going to bother holding press conferences if there isn't any press to conference with. Corporations aren't going to bother sending out press releases if there's no one to release them to. And no one in any position is going to answer uncomfortable questions if such questions aren't posed, or have no muscle to drag answers into the daylight.

The only problem I have with the current media establishments, in the US anyway, is their insistence on living behind the lie of impartiality, when they are in fact clearly biased. This is a uniquely American phenomenon, however; in other countries, the press is openly partisan, and you know when you get your product from a particular source just what those biases are, up front.

That used to be true here, too. I believe it was the Atlanta Constitution that used to fire a celebratory cannon blast from it's rooftop whenever one of the candidates it was supporting won an election. I wouldn't mind seeing this sort of open declaration of partisanship return.

But eliminating the media completely leaves everyone in complete informational darkness.

While they may be a neccesary evil, they should lose some if not all of their Constitutional protection if they refuse to do the job correctly and without bias. As they are now they are no better than Taas or Pravda.

309 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:21:12am

1. The one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends . Boxing

2. North American landmark constantly moving backward s . Niagara Falls (The rim is worn down about two and a half feet each year because of the millions of gallons of water that rush over it every minute.)

3... Only two vegetables that can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons .. Asparagus and rhubarb.

4. The fruit with its seeds on the outside ... Strawberry.

5. How did the pear get inside the brandy bottle? It grew inside the bottle. (The bottles are placed over pear buds when they are small, and are wired in place on the tree. The bottle
Is left in place for the entire growing season. When the pears are ripe, they are snipped off at the stems.)

6. Three English words beginning with 'dw' Dwarf, dwell and dwindle .

7. Fourteen punctuation marks in English grammar ... Period, comma, colon, semicolon, dash, hyphen, apostrophe, question mark, exclamation point, quotation marks, brackets, parenthesis, braces, and ellipses.

8. The only vegetable or fruit never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form but fresh Lettuce.

9. Six or more things you can wear on your feet beginning with 'S' Shoes, socks, sandals, sneakers, slippers, skis, skates, snowshoes, stockings, stilts.

310 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:21:40am

re: #300 KenJen

I heard a clip of her on the radio last night. She basically is calling it a Republican witch hunt.

And she blamed Bush too.

And the MSM let that stand.

311 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:22:20am

re: #303 rain of lead

Yeah, I read that the other day, it's hilarious!

312 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:23:29am

re: #309 JimmyTheClaw
What about a watermelon?

313 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:24:31am

re: #304 JimmyTheClaw


4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside?
Strawberries


8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.
Avocado

What do I win?

314 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:24:50am

re: #302 SixDegrees

The claim that journalists and newspapers should be "impartial" in their reporting is relatively new. It was developed in journalism schools during the early 20th century. During the 18th and 19th centuries, newspapers were highly partisan. I think the "impartiality" model has been discredited. It's time for media to abandon their pretense of impartiality, and admit their partisan bias.

What we need is a market-based way to assess media credibility. Is that already in place, or do we need more? That means more reporters of facts, not less. And conservative must do a better job of digging up facts and reporting them.

315 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:26:02am

A lady who had been married for several years was growing more and more frustrated at her husband's lack of interest in sex. She wondered about ways to add some pizzazz to their sexual relationship, and finally decided to purchase some crotchless underwear she had seen in a lingerie shop.

One evening when she was feeling particularly desirous, and he was, as usual, watching television, she took a shower, freshened up, and donned the crotchless undies, and a slinky negligee.


She then strolled between her husband and the television, and suggestively tossed one leg up on his chair arm.

'Want some of this?' she purred.

Are you kidding?' he replied. 'Look what it did to your underwear!'

316 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:26:05am

re: #300 KenJen

I heard a clip of her on the radio last night. She basically is calling it a Republican witch hunt.

Good luck with that. Pelosi's problem is that there are ample records and witnesses that can easily be obtained to refute - or, as unlikely as it seems, support - her ever-changing version of events. There's blood in the water now, and I suspect we may very well see her removed as Speaker over the next few weeks.

Remarkably stupid. Had she simply come forward when her awareness of interrogation techniques first broke, and said "Yes, I was aware of all this. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I have now changed my mind, and regret my past support for such actions" the whole thing would have vanished in an instant. Instead, she has piled lie upon lie upon lie, and the issue now isn't what she knew or when she knew it - the issue now is why she's lying about everything. She is now in a position where everything she says is assumed to be a lie, and the refutations - real or imagined - will follow thick and fast.

As much as I'm enjoying this, there's a real downside - 0 will use this scandal to his advantage and support Pelosi's replacement with someone more to his liking, in an attempt to gain more direct control over the House. Look for similar manipulations against Reid should the opportunity arise. The end result will be a severe diminishing of the separation of powers between the Executive and the Legislative branches. One would hope that even the Democrats would cry "Foul!" over such a play, but it may be too late.

317 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:26:13am

re: #313 KenJen
Avacado = guacomole!

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:27:17am

re: #309 JimmyTheClaw

9. Six or more things you can wear on your feet beginning with 'S' Shoes, socks, sandals, sneakers, slippers, skis, skates, snowshoes, stockings, stilts.

Spurs.

319 Cathypop  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:28:09am

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OUCH!

320 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:28:17am

re: #313 KenJen

4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside?
Strawberries


8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.
Avocado

What do I win?

Sorry. Avocado is made into guacamole.

321 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:28:36am

A woman pregnant with triplets was walking down the street when a masked robber ran out of a bank and shot her three times in the stomach. Luckily the babies were OK. The surgeon decided to leave the bullets in because it was too risky to operate. She gave birth to two healthy daughters and a
healthy son.

All was fine for 16 years, and then one daughter walked into the room in
tears. 'What's wrong?' asked the mother. 'I was taking a tinkle and this bullet
came out,' replied the daughter.

The mother told her it was okay and explained what happened 16 years ago
About a week later the second daughter walked into the room in tears. 'Mom,
I was taking a tinkle and this bullet came out.' Again the mother told her not to worry and explained what h appened 16 years
ago.

A week later her son walked in to the room in tears. 'It's okay' said the
Mom, 'I know what happened You were taking a tinkle and a bullet came out.'

'No,' said the boy, 'I was playing with myself and I shot the dog.'

322 rain of lead  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:28:49am

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Spurs.

you put spurs on your feet?
damn.
I put them on my boots :)

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:29:20am

re: #319 Cathypop

OUCH!

Rowel On The Floor, Laugh ... etc.

324 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:30:00am

Dead People Get Stimulus Checks

Are they sending out checks?

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:30:29am

re: #322 rain of lead

you put spurs on your feet?
damn.
I put them on my boots :)

Jimmy's list included skis, snowshoes and stilts

326 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:30:33am

re: #308 soxfan4life

While they may be a neccesary evil, they should lose some if not all of their Constitutional protection if they refuse to do the job correctly and without bias. As they are now they are no better than Taas or Pravda.

The media enjoys no special Constitutional protection. And there is no Federal or state definition of "properly" against which they can be judged.

This last, I believe, is a good thing. If there were such a standard, we would have a state-controlled media, which strikes me as something far worse than the independent but posturing media we have now, which at least holds the market open for the arrival of sources whose biases run in another direction. Or even one that is truly impartial, although I think this is extremely unlikely.

327 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:32:18am

ok thats all of the postable email

328 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:32:26am

Good morning all y'all, from a warm and humid (68 degrees, going up to 79 degrees, currently 94% humidity and T- Storms for later today) overcast Charlotte! How is everyone doing today?

329 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:32:49am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Dead People Get Stimulus Checks

Are they sending out checks?

"I see checks."

- dead people

330 justabill  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:32:56am

re: #305 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Atlantis astronauts are putting fresh gyros into Hubble.

Charles, what do you feed LGF's hamsters?

Your making me hungry, haven't had a gyro in some time. I think there is a Greek festival around town this weekend, might have to get me one...

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:33:13am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Dead People Get Stimulus Checks

Are they sending out checks?

They're stimulating cadavers? What are they checking for?

332 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:33:22am

I'm doing fine, RW. Just wanna make it through Friday.

333 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:33:44am

re: #314 quickjustice

The claim that journalists and newspapers should be "impartial" in their reporting is relatively new. It was developed in journalism schools during the early 20th century. During the 18th and 19th centuries, newspapers were highly partisan. I think the "impartiality" model has been discredited. It's time for media to abandon their pretense of impartiality, and admit their partisan bias.

What we need is a market-based way to assess media credibility. Is that already in place, or do we need more? That means more reporters of facts, not less. And conservative must do a better job of digging up facts and reporting them.

Completely agree. There is obviously a market for Conservative reporting - that's how Fox News got itself off the ground. Sadly, that source has now degenerated into a deranged freak show. But the demand that originally propelled it is still there, waiting to be served.

334 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:34:56am

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm just wondering if I should be watching for a check. Usually anything that isn't a bill gets thrown away immediately.

335 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:35:26am

re: #329 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward - hope you're doing well today. The only reason those "stimulus" checks went out is cause the guy they hired to surpervise it came out of King Richard of Chicago's machine! When asked about sending checks to Dead People, he said "Yeah, so what's your point?!" LOL!

336 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:35:35am

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Spurs.

Stilletos.

/hubba hubba!

337 justabill  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:36:24am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I'm just wondering if I should be watching for a check. Usually anything that isn't a bill gets thrown away immediately.

You don't look dead... I wonder if zombie got a check?

338 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:36:40am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I'm just wondering if I should be watching for a check. Usually anything that isn't a bill gets thrown away immediately.

Probably not a bad idea.

339 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:37:49am

re: #329 Ward Cleaver

"I see checks."

- dead people

The dead are people too. I mean they vote don't they?

340 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:38:08am

re: #333 SixDegrees

Completely agree. There is obviously a market for Conservative reporting - that's how Fox News got itself off the ground. Sadly, that source has now degenerated into a deranged freak show. But the demand that originally propelled it is still there, waiting to be served.


Unless there was someone with the financial resources of a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet I don't believe they would be able to afford the legal fees such a venture would incur. Because we all know that a liberal is not content with just not buying or ignoring something they don't agree with they must legislate it to death.

341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:38:35am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

BTW, how's your instrument restoration business holding up during the downturn?

342 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:38:36am

re: #304 JimmyTheClaw

1. Name the one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends.
Boxing
2. What famous North American landmark is constantly moving backward?

3. Of all vegetables, only two can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons. All other vegetables must be replanted every year. What are the only two perennial vegetables?
Onion, Asparagus
4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside?
Strawberry
5. In many liquor stores you can buy pear brandy, with a real pear inside the bottle. The pear is
Whole and ripe, and the bottle is genuine; it hasn't been cut in any way. How did the pear get inside the bottle?
The bottle was tied over the udding fruit when it was small enough to fit into the neck.
6. Only three words in standard English begin with the letters 'dw' and they are all common words. Name two of them.
dwarf, dwell, dwindle
7. There are 14 punctuation marks in English grammar. Can you name at least half of them?
period, exclaimation point, question mark, tilde, ampersand, comma, colon, semi-colon
8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.
Lettuce
9. Name 6 or more things that you can wear on your feet beginning with the letter 'S.'Shoes, socks, slippers, sandals, stockings, skis

I had to cheat on #2 and look it up so I won't post the answer here.

343 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:39:31am

re: #335 realwest

Good morning Ward - hope you're doing well today. The only reason those "stimulus" checks went out is cause the guy they hired to surpervise it came out of King Richard of Chicago's machine! When asked about sending checks to Dead People, he said "Yeah, so what's your point?!" LOL!

Yeah, it's the same people on the democratic voter rolls ;>)

344 lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:39:32am

re: #302 SixDegrees

"Without them, the flow of information is completely choked off."

As the example I gave demonstrates, the news will always happen, whether there is a newspaper there or not. Even the Pres. is calling on HuffPo.com at press conferences. Just as the town crier became a quaint relic with the advent of newspapers, the Internet and it's ability to show people real events will usher in the end of the newspaper era.

345 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:39:55am

re: #283 Erik The Red

Mandy make sure you can do that. It may be a slow release or needs to be absorbed slowly. Check with your doctor.

It was his doctor who suggested it.

346 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:41:18am

re: #314 quickjustice

I think that impartiality is an ideal which one needs to strive towards. Of course, pure impartiality may never, ever be obtainable -- but that doesn't mean the principle (as an ideal) should be abandoned. (What I fear is a press -- as they have in Europe, btw -- which is freely and openly championing an agenda -- once you have papers like that, nothing they print can be believed -- since it's all slanted or written off as political posturing, exaggerations to promote the agenda, etc.., etc. And that's what happens if/when you abandon the principle of impartiality/objectivity. Again, I don't want to see the press descend into a pit of propagandized "factoids"...)

347 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:41:57am

re: #326 SixDegrees

The media enjoys no special Constitutional protection. And there is no Federal or state definition of "properly" against which they can be judged.

.

Uh, doesn't the First Amendment say: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."?
[emphasis added realwest] So the Press does indeed enjoy special Constitutional protection. The problem with the MSM, as I see it, is that they no longer make any kind of effort to keep their own (mostly liberal bias) out of the REPORTING of the news and instead putting it on the Opinion, op-ed pages.

348 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:42:26am
349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:43:11am

re: #347 realwest

Uh, doesn't the First Amendment say: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."?
[emphasis added realwest] So the Press does indeed enjoy special Constitutional protection. The problem with the MSM, as I see it, is that they no longer make any kind of effort to keep their own (mostly liberal bias) out of the REPORTING of the news and instead putting it on the Opinion, op-ed pages.

Precisely ... twice.

350 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:43:35am

re: #345 MandyManners

It was his doctor who suggested it.

check with the pharmacist.

351 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:45:01am

re: #340 soxfan4life

Unless there was someone with the financial resources of a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet I don't believe they would be able to afford the legal fees such a venture would incur. Because we all know that a liberal is not content with just not buying or ignoring something they don't agree with they must legislate it to death.

There are plenty of wealthy Conservatives around. So far, they have ignored the building of media empires. It's up to them to get the ball rolling if they want to. Note, too, that both Microsoft and Berkshire-Hathaway started very small, as did today's major news outlets.

Finally, there's that pesky First Amendment to deal with should legislation restraining speech be attempted.

There has been noise lately about a Newspaper Stimulus or Preservation act. Not surprising, given the obvious advantage of preserving institutions that favor the current status quo. However, should any such bill pass Congress, Conservative organizations ought to line up right outside the cashier's window to ensure they get their share of such funds. Although I'd rather not see tax money spent this way at all, if it is going to be spent then it ought to be spent equitably. For what it's worth, though, I don't see Conservatives mustering the effort to ensure their place in line.

352 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:45:07am

re: #342 DaddyG

yeah moving landmark was hard number 5 was easy i remember seeing a tree like described when i was around ten

353 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:45:18am

Mornin' RW. Supposed to get up to the mid 80s here this weekend! Means all the outside chores will be a the top of the to do list!

354 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:46:03am

re: #350 Mithrax

check with the pharmacist.

MM there is a daily patch on the market too

355 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:46:26am

re: #351 SixDegrees
Our faux governor has proposed a 40% tax cut for newsrags here in WA state.

356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:47:21am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I'm just wondering if I should be watching for a check. Usually anything that isn't a bill gets thrown away immediately.

I believe that theses checks are only going to Social Security recipients.

357 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:47:40am

re: #344 lincolntf

"Without them, the flow of information is completely choked off."

As the example I gave demonstrates, the news will always happen, whether there is a newspaper there or not. Even the Pres. is calling on HuffPo.com at press conferences. Just as the town crier became a quaint relic with the advent of newspapers, the Internet and it's ability to show people real events will usher in the end of the newspaper era.

Without the media, the news will take place in darkness, and will simply cease to be.

As discussed above, the solution is for Conservatives to develop their own media outlets and skills to match those already emplaced by Liberals.

358 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:47:47am

re: #348 momcat

morning all!

Mornin momcat.

359 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:48:07am

re: #355 pingjockey

Our faux governor has proposed a 40% tax cut for newsrags here in WA state.

Do I recall correctly? Did the P-I go under?

360 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:48:41am

re: #359 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Yep. Mwahahaha!

361 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:48:43am

The problem with the press is related to problems we face in our society in general. Priveledge and self esteem run amok. When everyone is taught they are special and smart then no one bothers to listen to other opinions or consider other viewpoints. Reporting or any other kind of work is tainted by What's In It For Me to a great degree and agendas get pushed regardless of what happens to others along the way.

This morning on the radio I heard about a woman who collected someone elses paycheck directly deposited into her bank account for two years (he never took the job but the paperwork was completed) and she is now worried she will get caught. Her constant mantra is "I'm a good person but I really needed the money".

People are too entitled, self centered and agenda driven for the good of the culture. The answer is not to force them to be so with big government and elites running the show, the answer is to instill responsibility and values that reach beyond the self at a young age.

rant off

362 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:48:55am

Inflation is starting to show up in interest rates (10 years treasuries are up to 3.09%) and is showing up in retail prices except for energy:

Biggest drop in consumer prices in 54 years


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Led by a large decline in energy prices, U.S. consumer prices were unchanged in April after seasonal adjustments and have fallen 0.7% in the past 12 months, the largest decline in 54 years, the Labor Department reported Friday.

The decline in the consumer price index has sparked concerns about deflation in the United States. However, core inflation - which excludes volatile food and energy prices - has not declined and in fact has accelerated in the past four months.

This depreciation in the value of the dollar will oddly serve to boost stock prices a bit as prices escalate to adjust for the lowered buying power.

Unfortunately, folks on fixed incomes are going to get hurt by this.

363 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:49:16am

re: #357 SixDegrees

Without the media, the news will take place in darkness, and will simply cease to be.

As discussed above, the solution is for Conservatives to develop their own media outlets and skills to match those already emplaced by Liberals.

How do we get the government to fund a conservative version of PBS or NPR?

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:49:48am

re: #360 pingjockey

Yep. Mwahahaha!

Then it's true! The dead are getting a Stimulus!

365 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:49:55am

re: #363 soxfan4life
HA! That'll be the day.

366 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:50:03am

re: #347 realwest

That's the problem: the Constitution protects freedom of speech by limiting the power of the state to control the press. But it does nothing to limit the power of the press from willingly spreading pro-gov't propaganda or supporting a given politician or party. When 80% of the media is pro-Democrat, and especially pro-Obama, "freedom of speech" means Obama gets free propaganda.

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:50:20am

re: #363 soxfan4life

How do we get the government to fund a conservative version of PBS or NPR?

Dream on.

368 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:50:42am

re: #364 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It only exists now in the inter tubes! They run an on line edition, no print.

369 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:50:53am

re: #343 apachegunner
Hi ya Guns! How've you been doing? Nah, it just seems that way - that put everyone who's name appears in the phone book on the stimulus rolls!
In fact, if you read the story at the link these aren't stimulus checks they are checks for social security receipients - and the woman who reported it wasn't even enrolled in Social Security.
Payng the dead is a hard habit to break, apparently!

370 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:51:44am

re: #369 realwest
"That's the Chicago way".

371 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:52:17am

re: #356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I believe that theses checks are only going to Social Security recipients.

yep got mine a week or so ago had one of those how did i get so much cash in my checking acct moments

372 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:52:53am

re: #316 SixDegrees

As much as I'm enjoying this, there's a real downside - 0 will use this scandal to his advantage and support Pelosi's replacement with someone more to his liking,

Any idea whom he wants?

373 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:52:56am

re: #369 realwest

Hi ya Guns! How've you been doing? Nah, it just seems that way - that put everyone who's name appears in the phone book on the stimulus rolls!
In fact, if you read the story at the link these aren't stimulus checks they are checks for social security receipients - and the woman who reported it wasn't even enrolled in Social Security.
Payng the dead is a hard habit to break, apparently!

Actually, the question should be asked: where did the list of names come from.

I wonder if it came from a list of registered voters, and if the dead are still registered, where did their names come from?

374 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:53:12am

re: #353 pingjockey
Hey ping - Pray for Rain - that's the only advice I have for ya pal! LOL!

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:53:38am

re: #366 Kenneth

That's the problem: the Constitution protects freedom of speech by limiting the power of the state to control the press. But it does nothing to limit the power of the press from willingly spreading pro-gov't propaganda or supporting a given politician or party.

That's as it should be.

Any check-and-balance on the press should come from outside the government, because the gov't has reason to be biased on its own behalf in its application of any such.

376 FrogMarch  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:53:55am

Heh.

377 lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:54:04am

re: #357 SixDegrees

You're confusing editorials and "news". I don't expect the media to be two competing conglomerates vying to outdeceive each other. I see a future where every person interested in the news can log on and watch/hear/read original sources before they are put through the commercial/political wringer that produces the worthless fishwrap of today.

378 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:54:05am

Some at the SEC may have been engaging in insider trading:

SEC lawyers investigated in FBI insider-trading probe
Report criticizes lack of oversight by regulator

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Two attorneys at the Securities and Exchange Commission are being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation over possible insider trading, according to an internal SEC report.

The report, which was published on the Web site of CBS News, said the investigation into the two enforcement lawyers -- a man and a woman -- began in January last year.

Among the suspicious activity identified, the report said the female attorney sold all of her shares in a large health-care company around two months before an investigation into the company was opened in her group.

Both attorneys also traded in the stock of a large financial-services company, even though they had been told of three separate investigations into that company. Both denied any wrongdoing.

The report was also critical of the SEC for not monitoring the trading by its employees.

379 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:54:21am

re: #370 pingjockey "That's the Chicago Way"

Youtube Video
380 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:54:34am

re: #374 realwest
We've had enough for a while! Hell, we had snow yesterday, freezing level was down to 3000 feet. So there is fresh snow on all the mountains around here.

381 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:54:35am

re: #361 DaddyG
Morning DaddyG - great rant, though!

382 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:54:45am

re: #369 realwest Hiya RW, doing good here hope all is well with you too!

383 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:55:43am

re: #372 MandyManners

Any idea whom he wants?

Steny Hoyer (SIC?)

384 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:55:55am

By the way, yesterday Pelosi said that she was too busy fighting the War in Iraq to pay attention to what the CIA was doing.

Can anybody out there tell me when Pelosi joined the military and did a tour of duty overseas?

And the MSM at the press conference let that go by without comment

385 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:56:09am

re: #379 DaddyG
Spot on. Except in this case, it's dead voters, made up voters, etc...

386 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:56:20am

re: #350 Mithrax

check with the pharmacist.

The doctor is a pediatrician with about 20 years of experience. I trust his judgment.

387 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:56:24am

re: #361 DaddyG

The problem with the press is related to problems we face in our society in general. Priveledge and self esteem run amok. When everyone is taught they are special and smart then no one bothers to listen to other opinions or consider other viewpoints. Reporting or any other kind of work is tainted by What's In It For Me to a great degree and agendas get pushed regardless of what happens to others along the way.

This morning on the radio I heard about a woman who collected someone elses paycheck directly deposited into her bank account for two years (he never took the job but the paperwork was completed) and she is now worried she will get caught. Her constant mantra is "I'm a good person but I really needed the money".

People are too entitled, self centered and agenda driven for the good of the culture. The answer is not to force them to be so with big government and elites running the show, the answer is to instill responsibility and values that reach beyond the self at a young age.

rant off

some dumbass in pennsylvania had 300K+ accidently put into his checking acct after the money was blown on a spending spree the bank discovered it him and his wife/girlfriend were hit with felony charges their only defence was well it was in my acct so we spent it hope the dipshit enjoys paying restitution their attitude on the news was basicly like you described

388 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:56:39am

re: #362 3 wood
Good morning! Did you receive an e-mail from me yesterday or last night (I think I sent you two)?
Moody's said yesterday that in 2010 US Treasury Bonds may lose their Triple A rating, as our deficit - as projected - will be 62% of GNP as projected!

389 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:57:15am

re: #381 realwest Morning Real!

390 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:57:32am

re: #384 3 wood
All of this is going to come out. Minutes are kept, who attended, what was discussed, etc... If the WH doesn't do it. The CIA will.
Madame Blinky has her ass in a crack for sure.

391 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:57:49am

re: #354 apachegunner

MM there is a daily patch on the market too

And, it can be removed by The Kid. I cannot be with him every second of the day.

392 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:58:09am

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes. When/if the press begins to stray (in news coverage), then it's up to the citizens to protest (stop buying paper X, write letters to the editor, or even start a new paper, etc.)...but, if one argues that the ideal of impartiality is an outmoded concept...then, if 99.9 percent of the press decides to act as propaganda arms of a government, then, well, you can't complain -- since you're saying, "Well, the ideal of striving for impartiality isn't attainable." Again, if you abandon the principle of objective reporting, then you can't turn around and complain about "bias."

393 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:58:12am

re: #355 pingjockey

I read that. Other businesses should sue for a 40% tax cut for themselves. They are just as important.

394 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:58:13am

re: #341 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, how's your instrument restoration business holding up during the downturn?

It's holding up ok I guess. My problem is that I had too much of my bankroll tied up in the stock market. It's going to be years before I can get that money back out. I have to rebuild my bankroll from scratch again. The Business is ok but I have a big problem with the lack of liquid cash. I may have to get a real job for 6 months or so until things pick up again.

395 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:59:03am

re: #391 MandyManners

And, it can be removed by The Kid. I cannot be with him every second of the day.

duct tape?

396 justabill  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:59:13am

re: #363 soxfan4life

How do we get the government to fund a conservative version of PBS or NPR?

You don't really want that. Ideally, there shouldn't be a NPR or PBS, or if there was one, it being forced to deal with only non-political issues. (I know, non-political is hard to define)

397 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:59:51am

re: #371 JimmyTheClaw

yep got mine a week or so ago had one of those how did i get so much cash in my checking acct moments

the bank teller said deposit was from social security stimulus something still waiting for mrs claws check to come in the mail also talking with others i believe the order of them being sent out is by the last two digits of ss#

398 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:59:52am

re: #383 apachegunner

Steny Hoyer (SIC?)

Who?

399 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:59:57am

re: #393 rightside
Unfortunetly, there is precedent. The state gov gave Boeing huge tax breaks not to leave the state.

400 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:00:16am

Yesterday someone asked if Obama were out to purposefully destroy the economy what would he be doing differently. I have thought about that a lot since then and I can't come up with a substantive answer other than "try not to telegraph his agenda so much".

Scary times - and I'm not a big conspiracy fan.

401 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:03am

re: #398 MandyManners

Who?


He was the man Pelosi beatout for speaker

402 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:04am

re: #399 pingjockey

Exactly my point. If you are going to give tax cuts, give them across the board, not selectively.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:10am

re: #361 DaddyG

The problem with the press is related to problems we face in our society in general. Priveledge and self esteem run amok. When everyone is taught they are special and smart then no one bothers to listen to other opinions or consider other viewpoints. Reporting or any other kind of work is tainted by What's In It For Me to a great degree and agendas get pushed regardless of what happens to others along the way.

This morning on the radio I heard about a woman who collected someone elses paycheck directly deposited into her bank account for two years (he never took the job but the paperwork was completed) and she is now worried she will get caught. Her constant mantra is "I'm a good person but I really needed the money".

People are too entitled, self centered and agenda driven for the good of the culture. The answer is not to force them to be so with big government and elites running the show, the answer is to instill responsibility and values that reach beyond the self at a young age.

rant off

A zillion up-dings!

404 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:13am

re: #391 MandyManners

And, it can be removed by The Kid. I cannot be with him every second of the day.

Too bad you don't live closer to me! My son and his freinds call coming to our house 'Uncle (m,y real name) Summer Boot Camp.

They do chores 1st (yard work,, housework etc) and then they can choose an activity, say video games. Lunch then more work then another activity like swimming

405 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:14am

re: #395 apachegunner

duct tape?

It really messes up the skin if in contact for a time. The meds are an issue I've studied intensely.

406 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:28am

re: #366 Kenneth Yep, 'tis true I'm afraid. Competition was supposed to deal with that problem though - when I was a younger man (much younger!) NYC had something like 14 different daily news papers: the Herald, The Daily Mirror, The Journal American, The Herald Tribune (always seen as the "alternative" newspaper to the NYT for discerning intellectuals - and it was) and lots and lots of others. Now NYC is really down to WSJ, Daily News, NY Post and the NYTimes.
Lack of competition means everyone approaches the same news story with the same "slant" or "take" on a story.

407 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:42am

re: #401 apachegunner

He was the man Pelosi beatout for speaker

Is he another fucking Commie?

408 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:01:48am

Chavez grabs US plant:

Venezuela Temporarily Seizes Cargill Pasta Plant

Venezuelan officials including soldiers Friday temporarily seized a pasta factory owned by U.S. food giant Cargill in a pricing spat, the latest move by President Hugo Chavez's government against foreign companies.

During a decade in office, the socialist Chavez has nationalized large swathes of OPEC member nation Venezuela's economy, including a rice mill owned by Cargill earlier this year and dozens of oil service companies last week.

Deputy food minister Rafael Coronado said the new 90-day seizure was ordered after officials found the factory was not producing enough of a type of pasta sold at cheap, government-established prices.

You could see this coming. Who was going to stop him, Obama?

409 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:02:10am

Heads at Daily KKKOS must be 'splodin'. The ones admin is going to restart the military trials for the poor youts at Gitmo. Heh. Hey! Obambi, the real world sucks don't it!

410 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:03:07am

re: #342 DaddyG

The famous landmark? The San Francisco cable cars.

411 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:03:09am

re: #407 MandyManners

Is he another fucking Commie?

He's a little more to the center than Nana Pelosi is, but still a hard core "progressive"

412 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:03:18am

re: #395 apachegunner

duct tape?

Ha!
We threatened to duct tape my oldest girls diaper on when she was a toddler because she kept ripping them off. She pushed our bluff and so we follwed through. (We changed her when she needed to be changed of course) Boy was she peeved at us.

She is just as stubborn today as an 18 y/o but fortunately she tends to make good choices.

413 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:03:42am

re: #402 rightside
Not gonna happen. The state has basically killed the logging industry.

414 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:03:49am

re: #409 pingjockey

Heads at Daily KKKOS must be 'splodin'. The ones admin is going to restart the military trials for the poor youts at Gitmo. Heh. Hey! Obambi, the real world sucks don't it!

His hypocrisy only inures to the benefit of the country.

415 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:03:57am

re: #404 sattv4u2

Too bad you don't live closer to me! My son and his freinds call coming to our house 'Uncle (m,y real name) Summer Boot Camp.

They do chores 1st (yard work,, housework etc) and then they can choose an activity, say video games. Lunch then more work then another activity like swimming

He's gonna' be in intensive behavioral therapy this summer, in addition to some sort of accelerated classes as well as swimming and football camp.

416 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:04:11am

re: #380 pingjockey
S'okay - go ahead and work this weekend! Sheeesh, I was just tryin' to help you out their buddy!

417 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:04:32am

re: #411 sattv4u2

He's a little more to the center than Nana Pelosi is, but still a hard core "progressive"

I figured FCBBHO would want someone more to the Left.

418 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:04:46am

re: #384 3 wood

By the way, yesterday Pelosi said that she was too busy fighting the War in Iraq to pay attention to what the CIA was doing.

Can anybody out there tell me when Pelosi joined the military and did a tour of duty overseas?

And the MSM at the press conference let that go by without comment


She also said it was her job to change the leadership in Congress and the White House.I thought we paid them to pass laws and run the country not plot ways to obtain and cement power.


[Link: www.comcast.net...]


Pelosi was unusually harsh in describing the CIA.

"They mislead us all the time," she said. Asked whether the agency had lied, Pelosi said yes.

Pelosi contended that Democrats did what they could to stop the use of waterboarding. The senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, who received the 2003 briefing on the practice, sent the CIA a formal letter of protest, she said. That was a reference to Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.

But Pelosi said her focus at the time was on winning control of Congress from the Republicans so her party could change course.

"No letter could change the policy. It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in the White House. That was my job — the Congress part," Pelosi said

419 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:04:50am

re: #407 MandyManners

He's from the peoples' republic of maryland, and a committed, tax and spend liberal.

420 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:05:00am

re: #405 MandyManners

It really messes up the skin if in contact for a time. The meds are an issue I've studied intensely.


Yes, I know what you are going through. Our adopted grandson, now 16, has been on these meds since 3d grade. Each time a perscription works for months and all of a sudden something goes wrong and it has got to be changed. I often wonder whats the use but i definitely see the difference in his attitude while on meds as opposed to not. We try and keep him off during summer times.

421 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:05:01am

re: #409 pingjockey

Heads at Daily KKKOS must be 'splodin'. The ones admin is going to restart the military trials for the poor youts at Gitmo. Heh. Hey! Obambi, the real world sucks don't it!

"but, But, BUT Bush screwed up military tribunals,,, so, like, Obama will do them the right way!"

//Kossling justification

422 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:05:14am

re: #416 realwest
I have a ton of weed whackin', a pool to put up, etc...

423 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:05:22am

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's as it should be.

Any check-and-balance on the press should come from outside the government, because the gov't has reason to be biased on its own behalf in its application of any such.

I totally agree. Nevertheless, there in lies a problem. We have to hope that eventually the people will wake up, realize what a mess Obama is making and question why the media did such a lousy job reporting on him. Seriously. With his resume, he would never of been offered a middle management position at my employer. But for some reason, he was hired for the most important job in the world. Most of his cabinet is better qualified to be POTUS than Obama is. I honestly don't get it.

424 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:05:33am

re: #412 DaddyG

Ha!
We threatened to duct tape my oldest girls diaper on when she was a toddler because she kept ripping them off. She pushed our bluff and so we follwed through. (We changed her when she needed to be changed of course) Boy was she peeved at us.

She is just as stubborn today as an 18 y/o but fortunately she tends to make good choices.

I useta' duct tape The Kid's diaper for the same reason. I found out about the danger to skin when I accidentally let some touch him.

425 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #421 sattv4u2
Hehehehe!

426 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:06:47am

re: #407 MandyManners

Is he another fucking Commie?


it appears he would be a better choice for nobama and also he is close friends with the bastard CoS emanuel or whatever ever the fuck his name is, it slipped my old mind for the moment. Rauel or something?

427 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:06:56am

re: #419 rightside

He's from the peoples' republic of maryland, and a committed, tax and spend liberal.

Is he also a lying pig?

428 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:07:39am

re: #417 MandyManners

I figured FCBBHO would want someone more to the Left.

I think the exalted One has figured out that ALL FAR LEFT ALL THE TIME ain't a recipe for 2012 re-election. See his recent flip flops on the "torture" photos and military tribunals and letting Gitmo prisoners free to roam Omaha etc

429 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:07:54am

re: #420 apachegunner

Yes, I know what you are going through. Our adopted grandson, now 16, has been on these meds since 3d grade. Each time a perscription works for months and all of a sudden something goes wrong and it has got to be changed. I often wonder whats the use but i definitely see the difference in his attitude while on meds as opposed to not. We try and keep him off during summer times.

The Kid will be on it this summer so that I can help him get a grip on his behavior.

430 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:05am

re: #427 MandyManners
More than likely.

431 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:23am

re: #427 MandyManners

He's a politician, of course he is!

Lying weasel-slapper.

432 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:24am

re: #427 MandyManners

Is he also a lying pig?

Are any of the 536 of the Bastards in DC not a lying pig?

433 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:30am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, which is once again dealing with more school closings from the flu. Better safe than sorry, and limiting contact between the students, faculty and each other should help prevent further incidences. In the meantime, there are several hundred cases of suspected flu, and only a couple of confirmed cases. One of those affected is in critical condition, but he apparently had a preexisting condition, which made treatment more difficult.

At the same time, Obama picked a nanny stater to run the CDC: NYC Health Commission Thomas Frieden, who had no problem claiming that transfat was evil and must be purged from restaurants, even if the alternatives were more costly and the effects of transfat on obesity and other issues aren't exactly fully known.

434 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:39am

re: #426 apachegunner

it appears he would be a better choice for nobama and also he is close friends with the bastard CoS emanuel or whatever ever the fuck his name is, it slipped my old mind for the moment. Rauel or something?

Rahm Emmanuel.

435 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:47am

re: #426 apachegunner

it appears he would be a better choice for nobama and also he is close friends with the bastard CoS emanuel or whatever ever the fuck his name is, it slipped my old mind for the moment. Rauel or something?

Raul Emanual. i've been saying all along HE (not Reid, not Pelosi, not even a Soros) is THE puppet master

436 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:48am

re: #412 DaddyG

Ha!
We threatened to duct tape my oldest girls diaper on when she was a toddler because she kept ripping them off. She pushed our bluff and so we follwed through. (We changed her when she needed to be changed of course) Boy was she peeved at us.

She is just as stubborn today as an 18 y/o but fortunately she tends to make good choices.


Ha Ha, I hope thats no longer a problem ;>)

437 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:08:58am

re: #399 pingjockey
Yep, you're right - BUT - it's not a very big step to government subsidy of the Press to Pravda - we NEED our Press or MSM to be relatively independent economically - the MSM isn't just another business. And I for one think that having the government give tax breaks or any other kind of economic preferential treatment to the Press or MSM is unhealthy for the nation as a whole.

438 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:09:07am

re: #394 Killgore Trout

It's holding up ok I guess. My problem is that I had too much of my bankroll tied up in the stock market. It's going to be years before I can get that money back out. I have to rebuild my bankroll from scratch again. The Business is ok but I have a big problem with the lack of liquid cash. I may have to get a real job for 6 months or so until things pick up again.

Ouch! I'd seen you mention the idea of getting a job. Didn't know the circumstances. I guess a lack of operating capital can also hurt your ability to buy-in-order-to-restore. Very best wishes.

I'm existing on SS and picking up contracting work. Dallas' electronics industry has all but shut down new hiring. At least there aren't any massive layoffs in the industry, like in 2001/2002.

439 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:09:27am

re: #428 sattv4u2

I think the exalted One has figured out that ALL FAR LEFT ALL THE TIME ain't a recipe for 2012 re-election. See his recent flip flops on the "torture" photos and military tribunals and letting Gitmo prisoners free to roam Omaha etc

He might go toward the center on those issues but, I don't see him slacking on screwing up Capitalism.

440 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:10:11am

I hate it that we assume that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs.

441 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:10:21am

re: #437 realwest
I totally agree. FNC this am said a bunch of the insurance giants are asking for bailout money. When will it end?

442 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:10:23am

re: #439 MandyManners

He might go toward the center on those issues but, I don't see him slacking on screwing up Capitalism.

oh , agreed, He is committed to give us a nanny state, cradle to grave gov't

443 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:11:00am

re: #440 MandyManners

I hate it that we assume that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs.


Todays politicians would make Thomas Jefferson and the others puke.

444 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:11:07am

re: #440 MandyManners
It is their own damn fault.

445 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:11:21am

re: #388 realwest

Good morning! Did you receive an e-mail from me yesterday or last night (I think I sent you two)?
Moody's said yesterday that in 2010 US Treasury Bonds may lose their Triple A rating, as our deficit - as projected - will be 62% of GNP as projected!

China will be upset.

446 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:11:33am

re: #408 3 wood
WHAT? Hugo seized a Pasta Plant?! OY!

447 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:12:17am

re: #440 MandyManners

I hate it that we assume that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs.


I hate it that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs, no assumption neccessary.

448 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:12:38am

re: #440 MandyManners

I hate it that we assume that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs.

Problem is, greater than 9 in 10 are lying pigs.

449 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:12:39am

re: #434 MandyManners
yeppers

450 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:12:42am

re: #441 pingjockey

I totally agree. FNC this am said a bunch of the insurance giants are asking for bailout money. When will it end?

It will end when someone realizes that PRIVATE businesses have to either sink or swim. Nothing wrong with culling the herd sometimes. When that happens, it will get worse for a very short period of time. The marketplace abhors a vaccum, and after a short time entrepenuers step in to fill the missing gaps

451 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:13:27am

re: #435 sattv4u2

Raul Emanual. i've been saying all along HE (not Reid, not Pelosi, not even a Soros) is THE puppet master


you betcha and he is the bastard of all bastards, he of the dead fish affair

452 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #450 sattv4u2
I don't see that happening. The one and his bunch see this as the opportunity to expand gov't control of business.

453 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:13:54am

re: #446 realwest

WHAT? Hugo seized a Pasta Plant?! OY!

Maybe Cargill should build its plants in the US and employ Americans. Cheap labor is not important when you no longer have a plant in which to use it.

454 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:14:27am

re: #442 sattv4u2

oh , agreed, He is committed to give us a nanny state, cradle to grave gov't

It'll take us a while to roll it back but, roll it back we must.

455 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:14:38am

re: #440 MandyManners

I hate it that we assume that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs.


assume?

456 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:14:48am

re: #452 pingjockey

I don't see that happening. The one and his bunch see this as the opportunity to expand gov't control of business.

I agree. Thats why I qualified it with "SOMEONE". I know nobody in this admin is "someone"!

457 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:00am

re: #443 soxfan4life

Todays politicians would make Thomas Jefferson and the others puke.

They're spinning in their graves.

458 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #452 pingjockey

I don't see that happening. The one and his bunch see this as the opportunity to expand gov't control of business.


Or is it an opportunity to expand union control over business'?

459 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:20am

re: #440 MandyManners

I hate it that we assume that all of our elected leaders are lying pigs.

Thats not a check box on the filing papers?

460 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:37am

re: #440 MandyManners

I believe the great majority of them are there not to help us, but to line their pockets with cash. Sure there are few who go there to honestly represent their constituents, but after being inside the beltway for any length of time, the culture of corruption seeps into them, and they simply go with the flow.

These people get a couple hundred thousand a year salary, and eventually leave as millionaires.

Their main focus is how to get re-elected.

461 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:38am

Isn't some of it our fault?

462 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:41am

re: #422 pingjockey ah well, that's different - you're "chores" are really just another sort of deferred pleasure! Boy I gotta tell ya, when you said Weed Whacking I thought you meant a different type of weed.
BBIAM, need MUCHO more coffee!

463 baier  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:15:51am

re: #453 Creeping Eruption

Maybe Cargill should build its plants in the US and employ Americans. Cheap labor is not important when you no longer have a plant in which to use it.

With the power that Unions have under Obama? Chavez-Obama...choose your evil...

464 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:04am

re: #456 sattv4u2
True that!

465 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:16am

re: #460 rightside

I believe the great majority of them are there not to help us, but to line their pockets with cash. Sure there are few who go there to honestly represent their constituents, but after being inside the beltway for any length of time, the culture of corruption seeps into them, and they simply go with the flow.

These people get a couple hundred thousand a year salary, and eventually leave as millionaires.

Their main focus is how to get re-elected.

Don't forget the excellent health care they get on our dime.

466 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:24am

re: #408 3 wood

Chavez grabs US plant:

Venezuela Temporarily Seizes Cargill Pasta Plant

You could see this coming. Who was going to stop him, Obama?

Obama is taking lessons from Hugo.

Now, had I been in charge when Chavez started nationalizing things, I would have allowed companies to sue in US courts for damages, including all assets in the US owned by the Venezuelan government. Citgo, meet your new owner.

467 johnnyreb  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:29am

re: #450 sattv4u2

It will end when someone realizes that PRIVATE businesses have to either sink or swim. Nothing wrong with culling the herd sometimes. When that happens, it will get worse for a very short period of time. The marketplace abhors a vaccum, and after a short time entrepenuers step in to fill the missing gaps

Actually a bunch can fail and I suspect there won't be much of a gap. While multiple competing companies can be a good thing. We do not need 752 bazillion life insurance companies. There is a huge level of built in redundancy in the insurance market. It started when the life insurance guys started to sell long term "investment" products labeled as life insurance.

468 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:33am

re: #454 MandyManners

It'll take us a while to roll it back but, roll it back we must.

Unfortunately, once a gov't program is in place, ESPECIALLY the ones of the magnitude 0bama wants it will be near impossible to roll it back.
Feed the pigeons for free, more pigeons arrive in your yard

469 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #413 pingjockey

Not gonna happen. The state has basically killed the logging industry.

As soon as Georgia-Pacific figured out how to peel cheap pine into veneers they divested most of their land holdings in the Northwest and bought up large tracts in the Southeast. They saw the handwriting on the wall decades ago.

470 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:16:51am

re: #463 baier

With the power that Unions have under Obama? Chavez-Obama...choose your evil...

I choose America, even Obama's America, over any other country, any day.

471 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:17:03am

re: #461 MandyManners
Uninformed, gimme free stuff voters. Yep. Look at MurthaFucker, Keeps getting reelected.

472 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:17:04am

re: #423 Kenneth

I totally agree. Nevertheless, there in lies a problem. We have to hope that eventually the people will wake up, realize what a mess Obama is making and question why the media did such a lousy job reporting on him. Seriously. With his resume, he would never of been offered a middle management position at my employer. But for some reason, he was hired for the most important job in the world. Most of his cabinet is better qualified to be POTUS than Obama is. I honestly don't get it.

I agree with that.

I have no idea where the solution to a massively-biased press lies. My intuitition says lasting change will have to come from the grassroots, but that will require massive, wide-spread, development of character and rationality AT the grassroots ... *sheesh*!

/that whole process will have to fly in the face of the Popular Culture

473 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:17:04am

re: #461 MandyManners

Isn't some of it our fault?


Sure is, the majority of people who think politicians are crooked also believe their Congress Critters are clean.

474 jwbrown1969  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:17:16am

re: #454 MandyManners

How true...but a dang near impossible thing to do...I worry it will be too much and impossible to undo :-(

475 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:17:28am

re: #436 apachegunner

Ha Ha, I hope thats no longer a problem ;>)


No - she's potty trained in time for college! (She would kill me if she knew I was sharing this...)

476 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:17:53am

re: #461 MandyManners

Isn't some of it our fault?

YES..we all want to "throw them all out" (except for my guy, because he's pretty good)

:)

477 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:18:05am

re: #426 apachegunner
Ya mean Rahm Emmanuel I think. Face it, any replacement of Pelosi is gonna be just as far to the LEFT as she is, because that's where the Democratic Party IS today - FAR LEFT.

478 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:18:45am

re: #423 Kenneth

I totally agree. Nevertheless, there in lies a problem. We have to hope that eventually the people will wake up, realize what a mess Obama is making and question why the media did such a lousy job reporting on him. Seriously. With his resume, he would never of been offered a middle management position at my employer. But for some reason, he was hired for the most important job in the world. Most of his cabinet is better qualified to be POTUS than Obama is. I honestly don't get it.

The media will blame it on Bush, "speculators", big companies, etc., and people will still believe them.

I guess you can fool enough people enough of the time.

479 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #477 realwest

Ya mean Rahm Emmanuel I think. Face it, any replacement of Pelosi is gonna be just as far to the LEFT as she is, because that's where the Democratic Party IS today - FAR LEFT.


Isn't it funny how most of the libs out there cry about how the GOP is too far right, when they are really about as left as the Dems should be.

480 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:19:44am

Laundry.

481 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:19:57am

re: #478 Kosh's Shadow

The media will blame it on Bush, "speculators", big companies, etc., and people will still believe them.

I guess you can fool enough people enough of the time.

Not hard when your average American wants his opinions spoon fed to him.

482 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:20:02am

re: #477 realwest

Ya mean Rahm Emmanuel I think. Face it, any replacement of Pelosi is gonna be just as far to the LEFT as she is, because that's where the Democratic Party IS today - FAR LEFT.

I'll take far left and sane over the far left and berserk that Nancy Pelosi is.

483 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:20:22am

re: #480 MandyManners

Laundry.

blueberry plants to get into the ground

Later all!

484 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:20:24am

re: #475 DaddyG

No - she's potty trained in time for college! (She would kill me if she knew I was sharing this...)

rotflmao

485 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:20:26am

re: #435 sattv4u2

Raul Emanual. i've been saying all along HE (not Reid, not Pelosi, not even a Soros) is THE puppet master

I see Emmanuel more as the enforcer, with Soros as the godfather.
/Apologies to the Mafia

486 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:20:38am

My Internet connection is really flaky this morning, so I'm giving up. But I have to try and get this posted first: [Link: www.cnn.com...]

0 is falling back to military tribunals for at least some Gitmo detainees. Prepare to be splattered with the remnants of exploding Leftard heads.

487 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:20:57am

re: #465 MandyManners

...and permanent reitrement pension, even after only 1 two-year term in the house.

And yes, some of it is our fault, for electing them over and over again. People want term limits, but the fact is, they are already in place. They are called elections.

Unfortunately, too many people are beholden and dependent on govt. (read democrat voters)

This permanent class (spanning several generations), while promised for decades to "be taken care of" are no better off than they were before, but cannot see it.

488 baier  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:21:54am

re: #470 Creeping Eruption

I choose America, even Obama's America, over any other country, any day.

Than you choose to risk being driven out of business by your own workers' Union and then have the POTUS give your business away to the very people that bankrupted it.

489 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:08am

re: #446 realwest

WHAT? Hugo seized a Pasta Plant?! OY!

He's going to incur the wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

490 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:23am

re: #487 rightside

To them it is easier to blame Bush than to accept responsibility for their own miserable existence.

491 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:34am

re: #480 MandyManners

Laundry.

That won't detergents from posting replies to your comments.

/or the gals, either

492 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:43am

re: #440 MandyManners
Morning Mandy! I hate it too, but still and all it's a pretty safe assumption - even though there are probably a couple of dozen who aren't, they haven't exactly been front and center in any attempts to infuse the administration with a love of capitalism or for that matter a love for America.
Just Me,me, me all day and night long.

493 johnnyreb  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:44am

re: #489 Kosh's Shadow

He's going to incur the wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


And his many noodly appendages.

494 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:48am

re: #485 Kosh's Shadow

I see Emmanuel more as the enforcer, with Soros as the godfather.
/Apologies to the Mafia

No apologies necessary. Emanuel and Obama came up though a system (Cook County Democratic Organization) that acts like the mafia.

495 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:22:49am

re: #421 sattv4u2

That's precisely the tact they're going to take, even though Bush bent over backwards to produce a process that was never before contemplated or intended under the US Constitution or international law because terrorists are not a protected class and nor should they be treated as well or better than POWs (a protected class under the Geneva Conventions).

The left will be atwitter for a bit, but they'll let this slide, since they were attacking Bush simply on the political posturing, and that becomes more apparent with each passing day.

It was politically expedient for the Democrats to attack Bush on detainee treatment, but now that they're in Bush's position, they see that they don't have any answers that solve the problem any differently than Bush did.

496 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:23:00am

re: #479 soxfan4life

Isn't it funny how most of the libs out there cry about how the GOP is too far right, when they are really about as left as the Dems should be.

I make the analogy to a football field
When I was younger you had the end zones (far left and far right) and the 50 yard line. The "left" and "right" were centered at about their own 25 yard lines. Now, the center of the left is at about their own 5 while the center of the right is at about our own 40

497 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:23:00am

re: #486 SixDegrees

My Internet connection is really flaky this morning, so I'm giving up. But I have to try and get this posted first: [Link: www.cnn.com...]

0 is falling back to military tribunals for at least some Gitmo detainees. Prepare to be splattered with the remnants of exploding Leftard heads.

"Close your mouth please...We are not a codfish."
- Mary Poppins

498 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:23:32am

re: #486 SixDegrees

Prepare to be splattered with the remnants of exploding Leftard heads.

Entrepreneurial opportunity = Sham-Wow headgear for liberals.

499 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:23:32am

re: #477 realwest

Ya mean Rahm Emmanuel I think. Face it, any replacement of Pelosi is gonna be just as far to the LEFT as she is, because that's where the Democratic Party IS today - FAR LEFT.

* * * *
Morning, Realwest!

PS, I heard this morning that Nancy Pelosi and her arch enemy Steny Hoyer go so far back in Maryland history and rivalry, they were INTERNS together as teenagers on Capitol Hill.

Pelosi learned ward heeling at her father's knee, he was Mayor of Baltimore which had a big little Italy.

It's time for her to retire!

500 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:23:56am

re: #441 pingjockey
It'll only end when the Obama/Pelosi/Reid government takes control of all the important parts of our economy, I'm afraid.

501 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:24:03am

re: #485 Kosh's Shadow

I see Emmanuel more as the enforcer, with Soros as the godfather.
/Apologies to the Mafia

Nahh , Soros is the enabler (money, organizations, etc) and he's public. Rahm is quietly behind the scenes ochestrating

502 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:24:56am

re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That won't detergents from posting replies to your comments.

/or the gals, either

We would not allow that to hamper us.

503 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:25:45am

re: #445 Kosh's Shadow
China will be upset? Man now THAT'S an understatement! The only thing going for us is if our Treasury Bonds go to double A rating, what government's bonds will fare any better?

504 albusteve  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:26:02am

re: #498 DaddyG

Entrepreneurial opportunity = Sham-Wow headgear for liberals.

I'm in...we'll make a killing

505 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:26:22am

re: #495 lawhawk

That's precisely the tact they're going to take, even though Bush bent over backwards to produce a process that was never before contemplated or intended under the US Constitution or international law because terrorists are not a protected class and nor should they be treated as well or better than POWs (a protected class under the Geneva Conventions).

The left will be atwitter for a bit, but they'll let this slide, since they were attacking Bush simply on the political posturing, and that becomes more apparent with each passing day.

It was politically expedient for the Democrats to attack Bush on detainee treatment, but now that they're in Bush's position, they see that they don't have any answers that solve the problem any differently than Bush did.


So while the libs are running with the party of no concept, why hasn't someone from the GOP pointed out the hypocricy running amok in the Dems?

506 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:26:27am

Y'all have a good day Lizards!

507 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:26:42am

re: #466 Kosh's Shadow

Obama is taking lessons from Hugo.

Now, had I been in charge when Chavez started nationalizing things, I would have allowed companies to sue in US courts for damages, including all assets in the US owned by the Venezuelan government. Citgo, meet your new owner.

Cargill should shut down in Venezuela.

508 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:27:17am

re: #468 sattv4u2

Unfortunately, once a gov't program is in place, ESPECIALLY the ones of the magnitude 0bama wants it will be near impossible to roll it back.
Feed the pigeons for free, more pigeons arrive in your yard

Especially the illegal pigeons.

509 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:27:27am

re: #487 rightside

...and permanent reitrement pension, even after only 1 two-year term in the house.

And yes, some of it is our fault, for electing them over and over again. People want term limits, but the fact is, they are already in place. They are called elections.

Unfortunately, too many people are beholden and dependent on govt. (read democrat voters)

This permanent class (spanning several generations), while promised for decades to "be taken care of" are no better off than they were before, but cannot see it.

It would help if there were other candidates to vote for.
But running for office takes a lot of time, and money, some of it your own. And your private life gets spread out for everyone to see; if there isn't enough dirt there, the press makes it up if you're Republican.

Then there are people who vote based on name recognition, without having read the issues.

510 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:27:28am

re: #507 MandyManners

Cargill should shut down in Venezuela.

I think Chaves made that decision for them, no?

511 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:27:52am

re: #502 Spare O'Lake

We would not allow that to hamper us.

I see we're piling in.
Now we've got to sort it out.

512 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:27:55am

re: #502 Spare O'Lake

We would not allow that to hamper us.

Until someone tells you to put a sock in it.

513 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:28:13am

re: #471 pingjockey

Uninformed, gimme free stuff voters. Yep. Look at MurthaFucker, Keeps getting reelected.

What do the rest of us do to fight back against the ignorant?

514 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:28:28am

re: #506 pingjockey

Y'all have a good day Lizards!

Have fun digging in the dirt.

515 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:28:37am

re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That won't detergents from posting replies to your comments.

/or the gals, either

Some of the puns here are dryer than others.

516 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:28:42am

re: #504 albusteve

I'm in...we'll make a killing

Vinyl snuggies to protect clothing.

517 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:11am

re: #450 sattv4u2

It will end when someone realizes that PRIVATE businesses have to either sink or swim. Nothing wrong with culling the herd sometimes. When that happens, it will get worse for a very short period of time. The marketplace abhors a vaccum, and after a short time entrepenuers step in to fill the missing gaps


Absolutely correct. If Obama didn't owe much of his election victory to the UAW, then we wouldn't have pissed away as many tens of billions of bucks trying to prop up Chrysler and GM as we did.
BTW - did you see that FORD has projected making profits in 2011 and has said they neither need NOR WANT any government money?! Yeah they intend to get their the old fashioned way - they are gonna work their way out of the problems they face!

518 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:18am

re: #505 soxfan4life

So while the libs are running with the party of no concept, why hasn't someone from the GOP pointed out the hypocricy running amok in the Dems?

Couple of reasons
A) the repubs still for the most part try to 'play nice" and get along
B) they really don;t have a forum for it. Whenever one os invited to a MSM show, say the Sunday morning ones the panels are stacked 4-1 against with the HOST of the show, who should be unbiased one of the "4"

519 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:20am

re: #502 Spare O'Lake

We would not allow that to hamper us.

Why trot out the dirty laundry? Who's going to Cheer for that?

520 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:28am

re: #515 Kosh's Shadow

Some of the puns here are dryer than others.

and some are just left to hang

521 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:40am

UNCLE!

522 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:55am

re: #494 Honorary Yooper

No apologies necessary. Emanuel and Obama came up though a system (Cook County Democratic Organization) that acts like the mafia.

I thought the Mafia was more honest.

523 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:29:56am

re: #519 lawhawk

Why trot out the dirty laundry? Who's going to Cheer for that?

I'm partial to French Laundry, not dirty laundry.

524 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:30:11am

re: #515 Kosh's Shadow

Some of the puns here are dryer than others.

It all comes out in the wash.

525 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:30:17am

re: #519 lawhawk

Why trot out the dirty laundry? Who's going to Cheer for that?

ALL?

526 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:30:25am

re: #512 DaddyG

Until someone tells you to put a sock in it.

That comment really socks.

527 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:30:27am

re: #508 MandyManners

Especially the illegal pigeons.

Hey ,,, 30 million illegal pigeons will get to vote someday, might as well fill their bellies!

(Dem strategy)

528 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:30:42am

re: #505 soxfan4life

So while the libs are running with the party of no concept, why hasn't someone from the GOP pointed out the hypocricy running amok in the Dems?

* * * *
Our Liberals have a concept alright, they've been pushing massive central "planning" type of government such as the Soviets finally got sick of and toppled.

Just last night here at LGF you had people willing to toss the current health system we have, which IS the envy of the world, to try the Soviet style "health" system. For a "change".

Soviets performed surgery without anesthetic! People died for lack of basic medicines in communist countries.

Yet liberals want "one payer" to run their lives, including entrusting their health to faceless bureaucrats.

529 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:31:06am

re: #453 Creeping Eruption
Well yes and no. Yes to the general proposition, but it's my understanding that the pasta that was being produced was mainly for consumption by Venezuelans.

530 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:31:18am

re: #519 lawhawk

Why trot out the dirty laundry? Who's going to Cheer for that?

Really. There's nothing to Gain from it.

531 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:31:45am

re: #509 Kosh's Shadow

Agreed.

It heavily favors the incumbent. If we could only get enough people to realize what's happening, and toss them ALL out, and keep doing so, until they act in OUR best interest, e.g., balanced budget amendment, line-item veto or reasonable fascimile, etc.

532 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:31:49am

re: #503 realwest

China will be upset? Man now THAT'S an understatement! The only thing going for us is if our Treasury Bonds go to double A rating, what government's bonds will fare any better?

The Yuan is set to become the worlds currency reserve according to a headline on Drudge. China had better start selling off those 2 trillion dollars they got from us pretty quick.

533 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:31:53am

re: #526 Spare O'Lake

That comment really socks.

...and they come in pairs.

534 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:33:07am

This laundry humor could not be any Dryer, so I think I'll go for a Spin!~

535 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #530 KenJen

Really. There's nothing to Gain from it.

Well then, the Tide has turned.

536 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:33:43am

re: #530 KenJen

Really. There's nothing to Gain from it.

We All see which way the Tide is turning.

537 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:33:56am

re: #515 Kosh's Shadow

Some of the puns here are dryer than others.

Yes, and some tend to cling more.
Others just go down the drain.
It's a delicate cycle.

/perhaps we should cool down the spin

538 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #513 MandyManners

What do the rest of us do to fight back against the ignorant?

* ** *
We start with our own families & friends. Gently but firmly, as with persons with learning disabilities. We have to UNLEARN them from some of the nanny-state magical beliefs they have been taught in school.

Soviets toppled their nanny state, millions of people agreed it sucked.
We have to share this late-breaking news flash (circa 1989) that communism was rejected by the people who knew it best.

539 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #535 Spare O'Lake

has it gone downy, or should we just snuggle up and be cheer(y)?

540 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:34:38am

These lines are hung out to dry.

541 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #521 MandyManners

UNCLE!

ROFLMAO!

542 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:34:44am

re: #532 JohnnyReb

The Yuan is set to become the worlds currency reserve according to a headline on Drudge. China had better start selling off those 2 trillion dollars they got from us pretty quick.

Does this mean we'll start making cheap stuff to export to China?
/ not with union labor

543 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:34:48am

re: #528 alegrias

* * * *
Our Liberals have a concept alright, they've been pushing massive central "planning" type of government such as the Soviets finally got sick of and toppled.

Just last night here at LGF you had people willing to toss the current health system we have, which IS the envy of the world, to try the Soviet style "health" system. For a "change".

Soviets performed surgery without anesthetic! People died for lack of basic medicines in communist countries.

Yet liberals want "one payer" to run their lives, including entrusting their health to faceless bureaucrats.

I meant "The party of no" concept. I realize the liberals have a serious agenda, it just amazes me how many people are willing to give up so much to entrust their life and well being to a central authority.

544 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:35:51am

re: #461 MandyManners
Frankly Mandy, I think almost all of it is "our" fault. What did we have, something around 50% voter turnout in the last elections (for POTUS and for a lot of Senators and ALL the members of the House of Representatives)? If folks don't give enough of a shit to even be bothered voting (and yeah, I know, no one liked Obama or McCain - but what about Senators and congresscritters) then they ARE responsible for a large part of the mess in Washington - and in a lot of the States and large urban metropexes as well.

545 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:35:59am

re: #526 Spare O'Lake

You better damp down those comments, they're soiled.

546 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:36:02am

Lets export Union bosses and undocumented immigrants to China!

547 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:36:25am

re: #540 DaddyG

These lines are hung out to dry.

I had a hunch you'd pin that one on us.

548 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:36:32am

re: #543 soxfan4life

the one realizes deficit spending will not fix his oconomy™, so he is going to try and ram through health care while he has the majorities.

Then, promise to fix it all later, if he's re-elected.

549 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #535 Spare O'Lake

Well then, the Tide has turned.

Tide? GEe, seems more like a Whirlpool.

550 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:36:48am

re: #528 alegrias

I'm willing to rethink my position on socialized medicine. I wish the GOP had a plan to improve the healthcare/insurance industry but they're focused on taxes and protecting the bonuses of millionaire bankers. My current financial troubles are not because of taxes. I'm struggling to keep my insurance and trying to keep my business afloat. The GOP doesn't seem to have many ideas to help me out.

551 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:36:59am

re: #547 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I had a hunch you'd pin that one on us.

We're turning them out at a good clip.

552 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:11am

re: #231 MandyManners

I looked up Adderall, because I'm curious about that sort of thing. Has The Kid been diagnosed with ADHD? Do you find the medication helps?

553 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:16am

re: #523 Creeping Eruption

The Keller you say!

554 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:21am

re: #548 rightside

the one realizes deficit spending will not fix his oconomy™, so he is going to try and ram through health care while he has the majorities.

Then, promise to fix it all later, if he's re-elected.


What surprises me is how many people will believe it.

555 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:44am

re: #518 sattv4u2

Couple of reasons
A) the repubs still for the most part try to 'play nice" and get along
B) they really don;t have a forum for it. Whenever one os invited to a MSM show, say the Sunday morning ones the panels are stacked 4-1 against with the HOST of the show, who should be unbiased one of the "4"

* * * *

Consider how hostile so many lizards are against Fox News Cable /Fox Corporation! There's more bashing of this network, even here, than all the liberal spouting others.

Normal people who like America and what it stands for, are easily mocked by fake sophisticates.

556 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:48am

re: #549 KenJen

Tide? GEe, seems more like a Whirlpool.

You've made a Hotpoint there!

557 eddiebear  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:51am

re: #543 soxfan4life

Sadly, it seems that every time any Republican/Conservative tries to fire back, they have to face it from two fronts: the left (which I understand and always am ready for) and the RINOS, which is pernicious.

558 Eowyn2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:37:59am

re: #530 KenJen

Really. There's nothing to Gain from it.

It will Tide us over to a new line.

559 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:38:13am

Good morning!
Can't we usher in a new pun-free Era?

560 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:38:31am

re: #551 DaddyG

We're turning them out at a good clip.

Just don't get hung out to dry with them.

561 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:38:41am

re: #544 realwest

1st step is to get rid of the 1st Tuesday in November as election "day". I would like to see it be an election weekend, say a Friday till Sunday 6:00 p.m..

Then we have to have a better way to ensure NO voter fraud. Hell, the Iraqis with their purple dye fingers had a better system than ours!

562 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:38:42am

re: #554 soxfan4life

What surprises me is how many people will believe it.


Hope springs eternal. This is snake oil sales writ large on a worldwide scale. Promise anything, then stall and blame someone else when it doesn't come to pass.

563 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:38:43am

re: #554 soxfan4life

You heard that SS and medicare/medicaid will be insolvent sooner than first thought?

564 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:39:27am

re: #563 rightside

You heard that SS and medicare/medicaid will be insolvent sooner than first thought?

Ramirez

565 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:39:30am

re: #559 ilzito guacamolito

Good morning!
Can't we usher in a new pun-free Era?

I agree. We should Shout it out for the whole world to hear.

566 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:12am

re: #552 Kenneth

I looked up Adderall, because I'm curious about that sort of thing. Has The Kid been diagnosed with ADHD? Do you find the medication helps?

My first wife's kid was on Adderall (switched from Ritalin), and it helped him. This was about 15 years ago, after Adderall first got labeled for ADHD. It started out as a weight loss drug.

567 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:16am

re: #564 ilzito guacamolito

Excellent. Upding.

568 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:17am

re: #559 ilzito guacamolito

Good morning!
Can't we usher in a new pun-free Era?

Probably.
After all, Kenmore be posted than already have been?

569 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:21am

re: #565 KenJen

I agree. We should Shout it out for the whole world to hear.

What's to Gain by that?

570 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:25am

re: #471 pingjockey

Uninformed, gimme free stuff voters. Yep. Look at MurthaFucker, Keeps getting reelected.


that's the worst.
reelecting such a fcker who insults you in the most vile ways,
so you can get a crumb.
btw. murtha now knows he doesn't have to come across w/ much at all for his
'redneck racist' constituents. they have made that obvious.

pathetic.

571 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:32am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

Live a year abroad with a pre-existing condition and get back to me!

572 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:47am

re: #568 pre-Boomer Marine brat

only if we consult the sears.

573 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:40:54am

This pun thread should fold before we all get taken to the cleaners.

574 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:08am

re: #543 soxfan4life

I meant "The party of no" concept. I realize the liberals have a serious agenda, it just amazes me how many people are willing to give up so much to entrust their life and well being to a central authority.

Or they say "The government will run it better" even when you point all the stuff the government doesn't run well - like the VA (kudos to the people who actually work there and have to put up with their budget and government control).

And some of it is the current insurance system and the companies' fault.
They've made the current system so bad that someone I know, who has been a mental health counselor for years, thinks the government will do it better.
I try to tell him, but it is so bad right now that he doesn't believe me.

575 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:13am

re: #538 alegrias

* ** *
We start with our own families & friends. Gently but firmly, as with persons with learning disabilities. We have to UNLEARN them from some of the nanny-state magical beliefs they have been taught in school.

Soviets toppled their nanny state, millions of people agreed it sucked.
We have to share this late-breaking news flash (circa 1989) that communism was rejected by the people who knew it best.

I don't see folks admitting that what's going on is Communism or even Socialism.

576 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:21am

re: #531 rightside

Agreed.

It heavily favors the incumbent. If we could only get enough people to realize what's happening, and toss them ALL out, and keep doing so, until they act in OUR best interest, e.g., balanced budget amendment, line-item veto or reasonable fascimile, etc.

* * * *
It's equally ignorant to toss ALL incumbents out without regard to individual merit and track record.

It's hard work to track whether in fact the politician you voted for is working FOR your interests.

Throwing everyone out might sound good, but throwing the BUMS out is better.

577 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:23am

re: #573 DaddyG

Lots of starch in that statement.

578 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:39am

re: #573 DaddyG

This pun thread should fold before we all get taken to the cleaners.

Ah keep your pants on, no one is going to loose their shirts.

579 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:41am

re: #563 rightside

You heard that SS and medicare/medicaid will be insolvent sooner than first thought?

Well it only makes sense with less people paying into it due to the loss of so many jobs. Of course had that evil SOB George Bush suceeded in privatizing it people would have an actual account they could see and pass on to their family and get back the money they paid into it. Imagine the nerve of some people.///

580 eddiebear  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #555 alegrias

Kathleen Parker, David Frum, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, Chris Buckley, and George "I Hate Jeans" Will do not approve.

You just lost your invitation to the Yachting Club, old Chum!

581 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:51am

re: #569 turn

What's to Gain by that?

Everycling.

582 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #565 KenJen

I agree. We should Shout it out for the whole world to hear.

Wherein it is resolved that we do not engage in more puntastic quips.

583 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:05am

re: #544 realwest

Frankly Mandy, I think almost all of it is "our" fault. What did we have, something around 50% voter turnout in the last elections (for POTUS and for a lot of Senators and ALL the members of the House of Representatives)? If folks don't give enough of a shit to even be bothered voting (and yeah, I know, no one liked Obama or McCain - but what about Senators and congresscritters) then they ARE responsible for a large part of the mess in Washington - and in a lot of the States and large urban metropexes as well.

Doesn't P.J. O'Rourke conclude at the end of Parliament of Whores that *we* are the whores?

584 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:06am

re: #529 realwest

it's my understanding that the pasta that was being produced was mainly for consumption by Venezuelans.

Heh. No question about that now.

585 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:07am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

I'm willing to rethink my position on socialized medicine. I wish the GOP had a plan to improve the healthcare/insurance industry but they're focused on taxes and protecting the bonuses of millionaire bankers. My current financial troubles are not because of taxes. I'm struggling to keep my insurance and trying to keep my business afloat. The GOP doesn't seem to have many ideas to help me out.

Insurance portability would help, and putting individuals (self-employed) into much larger groups, to spread the risk.

586 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:10am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

re: #571 sattv4u2

Live a year abroad with a pre-existing condition and get back to me!

I'm willing to rethink my position on socialized medicine

Hell,, for that matter live a year abroad and in the 1st month oir so develop a condition and get back to me!

587 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:22am

re: #544 realwest

In a democracy people get the government they deserve.

588 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:29am

re: #572 rightside

only if we consult the sears.

Back in a moment.
I'm gonna roebuck up-stream and see if that's already been used.

/Good one, rightside!

589 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:42:32am

re: #581 KenJen

Everycling.

Hey you giving me static Jen?

590 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:43:09am

re: #578 turn

Ah keep your pants on, no one is going to loose their shirts.

Even if we did Mandy could post pictures of our washboard abs.

591 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:43:14am

re: #587 Kenneth

In a democracy people get the government they deserve.

Ding!

592 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:43:24am

re: #537 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, and some tend to cling more.
Others just go down the drain.
It's a delicate cycle.

/perhaps we should cool down the spin

I'll Press for that . . Permanently

593 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:43:26am

re: #552 Kenneth

I looked up Adderall, because I'm curious about that sort of thing. Has The Kid been diagnosed with ADHD? Do you find the medication helps?

He's the poster child for ADHD. The initial dosage was 5 mgs.. It had little effect during school but, he was much calmer at home, hours after he took it.

594 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:43:42am

re: #581 KenJen

Everycling.


Oh, now you are going to give us static too?

595 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:43:44am

re: #479 soxfan4life

Isn't it funny how most of the libs out there cry about how the GOP is too far right, when they are really about as left as the Dems shouldcould be without being outright socialists or communists.

there, fixed that for ya and yes, you are correct.
But it's the FAR RIGHT who are the real enemy today. Because they resort to violence so often unlike the FAR LEFT, who settle for voter fraud and disenfranchisement (so what if oh 25-35% of Overseas Military Ballots weren't counted - what difference would they have made anyway?!) oh and college students - don't forget - you get extra points in your classes if y'all go ahead and vote where your college or University is and vote by absentee ballot where your parent's live.

596 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:44:19am

re: #590 DaddyG

Even if we did Mandy could post pictures of our washboard abs.

Ha, that would be Fantastic.

597 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:44:22am

re: #593 MandyManners

He's the poster child for ADHD. The initial dosage was 5 mgs.. It had little effect during school but, he was much calmer at home, hours after he took it.


How old is he?

598 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:44:24am

re: #587 Kenneth

In a democracy people get the government they deserve.

They get the government the majority feels they deserve. What did any of us do to deserve the current administration?

599 sattv4u2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:44:30am

BBL

600 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:45:05am

re: #590 DaddyG

Even if we did Mandy could post pictures of our washboard abs.

Good One!
(and you're showing your age, too!)

/putting you through the wringer for it

601 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:45:23am

re: #579 soxfan4life

Well it only makes sense with less people paying into it due to the loss of so many jobs. Of course had that evil SOB George Bush suceeded in privatizing it people would have an actual account they could see and pass on to their family and get back the money they paid into it. Imagine the nerve of some people.///

Actually, had it been privatized, with the big drop in the stock market, more people would have lost more money, and there would be a bigger outcry to bail out their retirement plans.

602 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:45:23am

re: #553 lawhawk

The Keller you say!

No, its Tru

603 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:45:40am

re: #566 Ward Cleaver

My first wife's kid was on Adderall (switched from Ritalin), and it helped him. This was about 15 years ago, after Adderall first got labeled for ADHD. It started out as a weight loss drug.

Amphetamine. Well, dextroamphetamine.

604 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #482 Honorary Yooper
Hello HY! Uh, "far left and sane" would y'all care to give any examples of who those folks might be?

605 eddiebear  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:45:57am

re: #586 sattv4u2

Also, if socialize medicine is so great, why are Canucks coming to the USA for their treatment, XRays, mammograms?

606 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:28am

re: #602 Creeping Eruption

Per se.

607 eddiebear  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:28am

re: #604 realwest

Those "moderates" at D-Kos?

608 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:32am

re: #600 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good One!
(and you're showing your age, too!)

/putting you through the wringer for it

I think it's time we end this pun cycle.

609 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:39am

re: #600 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good One!
(and you're showing your age, too!)

/putting you through the wringer for it

Careful not to get mauled. I'm old enough to have collected them as antiques ;-p

610 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:44am

re: #543 soxfan4life

I meant "The party of no" concept. I realize the liberals have a serious agenda, it just amazes me how many people are willing to give up so much to entrust their life and well being to a central authority.

* * * *
Well, I reject that false assertion that Republicans are the Party of No.

Republicans in fact are the party of YES.
The real party of YES YOU CAN.
Yes, America is special.
Yes, America's founding principles were (& are) special.
Yes, in America YOU get to decide how YOU want to live.
Yes, in America you can learn and earn as much as YOU want.
Yes, in America, YOU are the boss, government works FOR you.
Yes, in America, you don't work for the government.

611 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:49am

re: #597 ilzito guacamolito

How old is he?

Almost nine.

612 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:46:49am

re: #562 DaddyG

Hope springs eternal. This is snake oil sales writ large on a worldwide scale. Promise anything, then stall and blame someone else when it doesn't come to pass.

Well, we can use the snake oil on those hope springs if they get squeaky.

613 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:47:15am

re: #608 KenJen

I think it's time we end this pun cycle.

Before we get another load?

614 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:48:09am

re: #576 alegrias

I used to think that way also. I thought, "my guy is one of the good ones"

Just got elected last cycle, ready to return to fiscal sanity. What's he do? Votes for porkulus.

Deal-breaker for me. I will not vote for him again.

The problem I see with your view (and other lizards have said similar things), is that many people think, lets get rid of everyone, except my guy, he's good.

Where are we now? There are people out there who can track votes, etc., and post them for all the district to see on the web. It's not that hard to track.

While it would be a good idea to throw the bums out as a start, the goal should be to get rid of anyone, regardless of party, who will not spend our money responsibly.

615 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:48:10am

re: #601 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, had it been privatized, with the big drop in the stock market, more people would have lost more money, and there would be a bigger outcry to bail out their retirement plans.


But for the young and middle aged folks, the market will come back and they can move money around to make up losses. Even with the current downturn the market gives a better return than the government.

616 Eowyn2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:48:10am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

I'm willing to rethink my position on socialized medicine. I wish the GOP had a plan to improve the healthcare/insurance industry but they're focused on taxes and protecting the bonuses of millionaire bankers. My current financial troubles are not because of taxes. I'm struggling to keep my insurance and trying to keep my business afloat. The GOP doesn't seem to have many ideas to help me out.

What are you doing to keep yourself afloat? You need to work up a niche for yourself. Something which brings more prospective clients to you. It isn't always about prices. If you're in wholesale, think about doing a bit of retail on the side (farmers markets, sidewalk sales, etc) If you are in retail, offer coupons for percent off between certain hours. If you are in the service industry, you'll have to find more clients. One or two great clients are good and they are your bread and butter but dessert comes from the higher priced little clients. Use a graduated scale.
If you are in construction, I got nothing for you. That is going to be one hell of a tight market for the next three years.

617 Baier  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:48:33am

re: #610 alegrias

* * * *
Well, I reject that false assertion that Republicans are the Party of No.

Republicans in fact are the party of YES.
The real party of YES YOU CAN.
Yes, America is special.
Yes, America's founding principles were (& are) special.
Yes, in America YOU get to decide how YOU want to live.
Yes, in America you can learn and earn as much as YOU want.
Yes, in America, YOU are the boss, government works FOR you.
Yes, in America, you don't work for the government.

I think that's what disturbs me the most about Obama. I don't see any evidence that he realizes that America is special.

618 Lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:48:47am

re: #613 DaddyG

I thought we were still talking about "spin" in the media. I'll "press" on anyway.

619 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:48:53am

re: #608 KenJen

I think it's time we end this pun cycle.

Before someone gets agitated.

620 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:24am

re: #585 Ward Cleaver

There are good ideas out there but is the GOP putting together a plan?

621 Eowyn2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:33am

re: #556 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You've made a Hotpoint there!

we May Tag that post

622 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:33am

re: #613 DaddyG

Before we get another load?

It's just that the number of unused words is beginning to shrink.

623 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:47am

re: #610 alegrias

* * * *
Well, I reject that false assertion that Republicans are the Party of No.

Republicans in fact are the party of YES.
The real party of YES YOU CAN.
Yes, America is special.
Yes, America's founding principles were (& are) special.
Yes, in America YOU get to decide how YOU want to live.
Yes, in America you can learn and earn as much as YOU want.
Yes, in America, YOU are the boss, government works FOR you.
Yes, in America, you don't work for the government.

I agree with you, however the Dems are running with this party of no thing. And many are sucking it right up.

624 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:51am

re: #499 alegrias
Hey good morning alegrias! Hope you're well today!
"It's time for her them to retire!"
There,FTFY! And her's is one retirement pension and healthcare I would eagerly look forward to paying!

625 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:55am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday morning?

626 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:49:57am

re: #611 MandyManners

My daughter has been on concerta, and it turned her into an A/B student, from a D/F one.

627 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:06am

re: #617 Baier

I think that's what disturbs me the most about Obama. I don't see any evidence that he realizes that America is special.

For Obama nothing is more special than Obama. That's the trouble in a nutshell.

Thank the self-esteem movement of the last few decades for that prevailing attitude.

628 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:16am

re: #608 KenJen

I think it's time we end this pun cycle.

Yeah before things really get off balance.

629 eddiebear  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:27am

re: #585 Ward Cleaver

Another thing to help employers is cutting the corporate tax rates and extending write offs, deductions, and depreciations for business.

630 Lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:37am

re: #622 KenJen

We can re-use some of the words. They're stackable.

631 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:55am

re: #619 MandyManners

Before someone gets agitated.

You don't want them to get their tit in a wringer.

(...there now it's a boob thread too!)

632 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:58am

re: #625 HoosierHoops

Hoops!

633 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:51:01am

re: #617 Baier

Obama (imo) seems much more willing to acknowledge and proclaim European exceptionalism (as opposed to American exceptionalism).

634 Lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:51:51am

re: #633 J.S.

Sad but true.
Oh, and Chinese exceptionalism, too.

635 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:51:57am

re: #632 rightside

Hoops!

Good Morning Rightside..What's new and exciting?

636 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #625 HoosierHoops

Morning hoops, MM started a laundry pun thread.

637 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:30am

re: #627 DaddyG

For Obama nothing is more special than Obama. That's the trouble in a nutshell.

Thank the self-esteem movement of the last few decades for that prevailing attitude.


For almost 50% of the country nothing is more special than 0bama. Ever listen to how his followers can spin every problem away from him like he is the new deity? Hitler would be proud of 0bama's ability to attract followers.

638 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:31am

re: #609 DaddyG

Careful not to get mauled. I'm old enough to have collected them as antiques ;-p

(seriously ... *grin*) I remember watching my paternal grandmother doing laundry in the shed behind her farmhouse. A hard-scrabble farm in the Florida panhandle. Cast-iron stove in the kitchen. Don't recall if that visit was before or after she got indoor plumbing. Probably before, because the little brown shack out back was still operational.

/"Good Old Days" ... ... *spit*

639 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:34am

re: #635 HoosierHoops

It's Friday, and this thread is just about to turn into a boob one.

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:37am

Left for a bit. Went to the (yeah, flexing toned muscles) gym. What we talking about?...

I haven't read the comments...so I'm going to jump in with:

That Nancy Pelosi. She is like a kid standing by the broken lamp, basketball on the floor beside it saying..."Wasn't me?"

641 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

I'm willing to rethink my position on socialized medicine. I wish the GOP had a plan to improve the healthcare/insurance industry but they're focused on taxes and protecting the bonuses of millionaire bankers. My current financial troubles are not because of taxes. I'm struggling to keep my insurance and trying to keep my business afloat. The GOP doesn't seem to have many ideas to help me out.

* * * *
I hear you. It's a multi-factor problem but lack of competition in insurance pklays a big part.

You're always welcome to try socialized medicine & report back.
By the way, I was laid off and let my health insurance lapse last month, so it will be cash for any healthcare for me until economy improves.

642 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #598 soxfan4life

They get the government the majority feels they deserve. What did any of us do to deserve the current administration?

We got the gov't the majority voted for. But even they did not fully understand the true nature of it. The people who voted for somebody else may not have wanted Obama, but they supported a party which failed to offer something demonstrably better than Obama. Also, there were many people who did not bother to vote at all. If the people cannot be bothered to insist their elected officials are competent, honest and reflect their values, then it's our own damn fault we get incompetent, crooked and immoral politicians.

In the end, we get the gov't we deserve.

643 Eowyn2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:00am

re: #622 KenJen

It's just that the number of unused words is beginning to shrink.

We'll need to Whisk up some new ones

644 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:05am

re: #636 turn

Morning hoops, MM started a laundry pun thread.

Well it's time we turn the tide

645 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:06am

re: #530 KenJen
I can't wait to hang 'em all out to dry!

646 KenJen  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:08am

Bye guys, Got a hair apt. Later.

647 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #571 sattv4u2

I've spent plenty of time overseas. In fact when I was in Africa last fall with my family my step father got sick. We took him to a government clinic, payed about 60 bucks and got him treated. Interesting that we handed to the money to the doctor herself, no receptionist. We had no problem getting an appointment and the doctor was a nice Dutch lady. Very professional.

648 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:51am

re: #606 lawhawk

Per se.

Well, obviously.

649 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:53:53am

re: #639 rightside

It's Friday, and this thread is just about to turn into a boob one.

why me?

650 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:54:07am

re: #626 rightside

My daughter has been on concerta, and it turned her into an A/B student, from a D/F one.

The Kid had about a 98 average last year and it dropped to 90 per cent this year. Very worrisome.

651 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:54:34am

re: #638 pre-Boomer Marine brat My grandmother still had an agitating washer with a maul (wringer) on the top when I was a boy. My father and his brothers knocked a rat into theirs when they were young and slammed the lid on it. Being boys they forgot to tell mom (grandma) and she ran the rat through the maul. She was not a happy woman.

652 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:05am

re: #650 MandyManners

Best of luck to you both.

653 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:12am

re: #561 sattv4u2

1st step is to get rid of the 1st Tuesday in November as election "day". I would like to see it be an election weekend, say a Friday till Sunday 6:00 p.m..

Then we have to have a better way to ensure NO voter fraud. Hell, the Iraqis with their purple dye fingers had a better system than ours!

* * * *
Puhlease. Some countries have "mandatory" voting. Do you think they are better countries or elect better leaders?

654 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:18am

re: #631 DaddyG

You don't want them to get their tit in a wringer.

(...there now it's a boob thread too!)

Someone will bounce you for that one.

655 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:26am

re: #646 KenJen

Bye guys, Got a hair apt. Later.

Hairy apartment? I'd talk to the landlord about that.

656 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:27am

re: #621 Eowyn2

we May Tag that post

The hot wash is turning into cold rants.

657 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:30am

re: #615 soxfan4life

But for the young and middle aged folks, the market will come back and they can move money around to make up losses. Even with the current downturn the market gives a better return than the government.

Try to convince people of that when they lose a chunk of their investment.
Enough would be upset, and say "What if this happens just as I'm going to retire?"
Get this passed once the market goes back up. The timing was bad this time.

658 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:42am

re: #634 Lincolntf

Yeah, Obama runs around and says that "America was born in sin" (i find that whole idea absolutely false and disgusting.)

659 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:45am

re: #641 alegrias

Sorry to hear that, I'm in pretty much the same boat. I have Kaiser, which is technically a non-profit insurance company. They don't cover me when I need them, I have no choice of doctor, I have to go to a Kaiser clinic. When I wanted to quit smoking with Chantix they wouldn't cover it. I had to pay for the medication myself. They suck.

660 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:55:52am

re: #532 JohnnyReb
Well that'll just be one more time when Drudge was wrong.
China's Yuan isn't about to replace the dollar - their econmony is more in the crapper than ours is; and everytime some LEFTY (there is no room for liberals anymore) shouts our "Cap and Trade" shout back "CHINA"!

661 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:56:10am

re: #649 turn

lol, look at DaddyG's #631

662 Eowyn2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:56:33am

re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Left for a bit. Went to the (yeah, flexing toned muscles) gym. What we talking about?...

I haven't read the comments...so I'm going to jump in with:

That Nancy Pelosi. She is like a kid standing by the broken lamp, basketball on the floor beside it saying..."Wasn't me?"

I'm seeing her with the baseball bat and the smashed window pointing the finger at the driver of the car with the broken windshield "if I had been told that you would be using this roadway, instead of just briefed by my mom that cars sometimes drive here, this wouldn't have happened"

663 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:56:43am

re: #650 MandyManners

The Kid had about a 98 average last year and it dropped to 90 per cent this year. Very worrisome.


Just stay on top of things like you are. It is not uncommon for the really bright ones to flounder a bit if they start thinking they can get away without doing homework or extra studies. Even without additional behavioral/brain chemestry issues.

664 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:57:28am

re: #656 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The hot wash is turning into cold rants.

No it lint.

665 Eowyn2  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:57:33am

re: #647 Killgore Trout

I've spent plenty of time overseas. In fact when I was in Africa last fall with my family my step father got sick. We took him to a government clinic, payed about 60 bucks and got him treated. Interesting that we handed to the money to the doctor herself, no receptionist. We had no problem getting an appointment and the doctor was a nice Dutch lady. Very professional.

But you were tourists.

666 Lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:03am

re: #665 Eowyn2

Tourists with cash, no less.

667 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:10am

re: #653 alegrias

* * * *
Puhlease. Some countries have "mandatory" voting. Do you think they are better countries or elect better dear leaders?

FTFY.

668 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:32am

re: #625 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday morning?

HOOPS!
How are your servers doing this morning?
Are they about to packet in?

/not expecting a comeback, merely giving a token ring to the thread

669 Mithrax  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:33am

Happy Victoria day to all the Canadian Lizards

Youtube Video
670 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:35am

re: #605 eddiebear

Also, if socialize medicine is so great, why are Canucks coming to the USA for their treatment, XRays, mammograms?

Because of long wait times for tests like MRIs or specialized treatments or so-called "elective surgery". Canada has long wait times for these services because of chronic underfunding and high demand. The problem with socialized medicine is that there is no natural upper limit to the costs. The costs just keep rising and rising until the gov't can't pay for it anymore. Unfortunately, the demand for medical services are highest during recessions, when the gov't revenues are the lowest.

671 soxfan4life  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:42am

re: #663 DaddyG

Just stay on top of things like you are. It is not uncommon for the really bright ones to flounder a bit if they start thinking they can get away without doing homework or extra studies. Even without additional behavioral/brain chemestry issues.


Also due to the failing of our public education, the bright ones are bored and unchallenged because the new standard is to teach down to the lowest level in the class.

672 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:58:48am

Good Morning Lizards!

Just a friendly reminder to always, always, always look before you sit down...

673 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:59:43am

re: #625 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday morning?

Growwwl, snarrrl, Grrr...Just peachy. Howza 'bout you?

674 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:00:23am

re: #633 J.S.

Obama (imo) seems much more willing to acknowledge and proclaim European exceptionalism (as opposed to American exceptionalism).

when you look at how o has conducted himself not just since becoming totus but during his campaign and before that, there are so many examples of him disrespecting america and the foundations this country is based on.
obviously the incessant apologizing for the sins of america to anyone, anywhere who will listen, shows he has little respect for the country that put him into
the highest office in the world.

no european country would have elected this moron.
in fact they are laughing at him.

675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:00:25am

re: #669 Mithrax

They celebrate those African Waterfalls?

676 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:01:07am

re: #672 Leonidas Hoplite

Good Morning Lizards!

Just a friendly reminder to always, always, always look before you sit down...

Snake bites snake, ouch!

677 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:01:14am

re: #665 Eowyn2

But you were tourists.

That's not my fault. I have lived overseas too. You told me to share my experiences with healthcare overseas. I have plenty of experience. Ever been to an orthodontist in Delhi? That's big fun.

678 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:01:27am

re: #543 soxfan4life
and #528 alegrias - y'all have to start realizing that there are no liberals left. No Daniel Patrick Moynihans, no Scoop Jacksons, none because they were insuffieciently RADICALIZED and POLARIZED to fit into today's Democratic Party. Geebus, the true liberals, like Moynihan and Jackson, would have absolutley RAGED AGAINST THE IDEA OF Al Franken being a US Senator with a (D) after his name.
And would have disowned ACORN years ago.

679 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:01:46am

re: #575 MandyManners

I don't see folks admitting that what's going on is Communism or even Socialism.

* * * *
"Healthcare for All!" Sounds much cheerier. Ask women in communist countries who had abortions (Planned Parenthood) without anesthetic.

How about those Romanian orphanages where children with disabilities were tied up all day in cribs? Some therapy.

Yes, "Healthcare for All" sounds terrific.

In fact, only the Olympic athletes and the top political apparatchiks received decent medical care. Have you seen old communists' teeth? I doubt they had fluoride or toothpaste with fluoride.

680 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:01:54am

re: #676 turn

Snake bites snake, ouch!

This is gonna generate some ugly puns before the thread peters out.

681 3 wood  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:02:09am

re: #388 realwest

Good morning! Did you receive an e-mail from me yesterday or last night (I think I sent you two)?
Moody's said yesterday that in 2010 US Treasury Bonds may lose their Triple A rating, as our deficit - as projected - will be 62% of GNP as projected!

Yep, I would plan on the rating being lowered.

682 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:02:11am

re: #671 soxfan4life

Also due to the failing of our public education, the bright ones are bored and unchallenged because the new standard is to teach down to the lowest level in the class.

Our failing public schools are the main reason we suck it up and do without to put our children in private school.

683 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:02:14am

re: #550 Killgore Trout

You're mistaken. McCain had an excellent plan to reform health care. It may have been the only one of his proposed policies that was excellent. The best conservative analysis of what's wrong with the U.S. health care system and how to fix it, is that of Professor Regina Herzlinger of Harvard Business School. Her book is called "Who Killed Health Care".

In brief, she favors much more transparency in pricing and outcomes in the health care industry so that consumers can make their choices in an informed fashion. She also favors HSAs and high deductible private health plans, and capping the amount an employer can deduct for providing health insurance to its employees.

Such policies move people away from employer-based health plans they can't transport to other jobs towards obtaining their own portable health insurance, and controlling their own health care.

684 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:02:27am

re: #669 Mithrax

Hey thanks! Great tune from a great bad!

685 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #684 Kenneth

"band"

686 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:02:56am

re: #663 DaddyG

Just stay on top of things like you are. It is not uncommon for the really bright ones to flounder a bit if they start thinking they can get away without doing homework or extra studies. Even without additional behavioral/brain chemestry issues.

One technique he'll be learning this summer is how to break down a large number of questions/problems.

687 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:03:17am

My general point is that since the GOP is not proposing any reasonable ideas to help the economy or improve the healthcare system I'm looking for ideas elsewhere.

688 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:03:18am

re: #659 Killgore Trout

Did the Chantix to the trick?

689 HoosierHoops  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:03:44am

re: #673 Russkilitlover

Growwwl, snarrrl, Grrr...Just peachy. Howza 'bout you?


that is a real cool looking dog in your avatar..

690 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:03:45am

re: #680 DaddyG

This is gonna generate some ugly puns before the thread peters out.

Yeah, but at least they will be from a LGF member.

691 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:04:10am

re: #651 DaddyG

She was not a happy woman.

OMG!
Obviously, your father lived to tell about it.

692 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #683 quickjustice

Sounds like an interesting idea.

693 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:04:35am

re: #642 Kenneth

We got the gov't the majority voted for. But even they did not fully understand the true nature of it. The people who voted for somebody else may not have wanted Obama, but they supported a party which failed to offer something demonstrably better than Obama. Also, there were many people who did not bother to vote at all. If the people cannot be bothered to insist their elected officials are competent, honest and reflect their values, then it's our own damn fault we get incompetent, crooked and immoral politicians.

In the end, we get the gov't we deserve.

I disagree on the count that I voted for McCain, to wit I would change that statement to be they got the gov't they deserve, and I got screwed.

Just my $.02.

694 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #690 turn

Yeah, but at least they will be from a LGF member.

You have been waiting to dangle that one for a long time haven't you?

695 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #593 MandyManners

My best wishes to both of you. Sounds like he's doing all right.

696 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:05:13am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

My general point is that since the GOP is not proposing any reasonable ideas to help the economy or improve the healthcare system I'm looking for ideas elsewhere.

True. But it is like if you have a car, and one mechanic suggests trying to fix it by whacking the engine with a big mallet, while the other one says to keep driving it until it breaks more.

The GOP is saying to keep driving; the Dems are hitting the engine with a big mallet. Neither is the ideal solution, but you can think about which is worse.

697 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:05:24am

re: #670 Kenneth

Do you recall that American who went to a Montreal ski resort, hit her head and then died? Sanja Gupta of CNN looked up some stats (He wondered about the likelihood of dying of head injury in Canada vs, the U.S.) The stats were -- 22 percent in Canada, 3.6 percent in the United States...(that shocking difference , though may be the result of longer distances between hospitals in Canada...)

698 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:05:49am

re: #694 DaddyG

You have been waiting to dangle that one for a long time haven't you?

Hey I've been known to be a prick at times.

699 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:05:57am

re: #679 alegrias

* * * *
"Healthcare for All!" Sounds much cheerier. Ask women in communist countries who had abortions (Planned Parenthood) without anesthetic.

How about those Romanian orphanages where children with disabilities were tied up all day in cribs? Some therapy.

Yes, "Healthcare for All" sounds terrific.

In fact, only the Olympic athletes and the top political apparatchiks received decent medical care. Have you seen old communists' teeth? I doubt they had fluoride or toothpaste with fluoride.

Look at the heath care our elected officials get. I doubt they'll be lining up with the rest of us.

700 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:06:12am

I have recently begun to research some of the sources used by so-called counter-jihadis. I've come across one website where they claim to be following the WoT, only to dig deeper to find anti-Semitic screeds in their archives from pat buchanan, and even a vile little essay from Malcolm X.

701 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:06:24am

re: #688 UFO TOFU

Yeah, the stuff works great. I did relapse a few times but overall it works pretty damn well. Towards the end of the 3 month treatment I was cutting the pills in half to extend the treatment and save some money and it still works pretty well. I think I payed about $150 per month for the stuff.

702 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:06:25am

re: #593 MandyManners

He's the poster child for ADHD. The initial dosage was 5 mgs.. It had little effect during school but, he was much calmer at home, hours after he took it.

* * * *
This is going to sound silly, but have you considered teaching your child to knit? Google ADHD and knitting!

Knitting's an activity that engages many senses and helps self-calm kids. Boyz can make macho things with sticks!

703 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:06:28am

re: #639 rightside

Well, NY is going to have a team in the lingerie football league. Except that they're not exactly wearing lingerie (no garters and stockings for example). Sports bras and bikini bottoms.

It's misleading advertising... but you can decide for yourself /

704 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:06:46am

re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG!
Obviously, your father lived to tell about it.


I am amazed at the things my father and uncles lived to tell about. There was the Model-A through the back of the barn, the bb guns and the neighbors watermelons, the bb guns and the little brothers in rain coats, the bb guns and the neighbor ladys girdle (that one grandma didn't find out about until my aunt told on my father at his 50th wedding anniversary party). Grandma was no wimp.

705 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:07:06am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

My general point is that since the GOP is not proposing any reasonable ideas to help the economy or improve the healthcare system I'm looking for ideas elsewhere.

///No ideas? Are you kidding? We'll fix the economy by returning to the gold standard and fix healthcare with mandatory leeching.

(channeling Ron Paul)

706 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:07:24am

re: #697 J.S.

Do you recall that American who went to a Montreal ski resort, hit her head and then died? Sanja Gupta of CNN looked up some stats (He wondered about the likelihood of dying of head injury in Canada vs, the U.S.) The stats were -- 22 percent in Canada, 3.6 percent in the United States...(that shocking difference , though may be the result of longer distances between hospitals in Canada...)

You mean they don't have unlimited on-demand helicopter medivac in the socialist healthcare paradise? I'm shocked!

707 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:07:30am

re: #561 sattv4u2
Well the "better system" is already here - Photo Voted ID Card which can only be obtained at designated locations (i.e., DMV) with proof of citizenship, age and address of residence (copy of deed or lease or AT LEAST copies of utility bill to the wannabe voter at the address the wannabe voter choses to vote from as his or her residence). The problem is that the DEMOCRATS don't want that Photo Voter ID Card for reasons that are manifestly spurious and DESIGNED to get phony voters to the polls - just like the overseas military ballots weren't counted.
The Democrats don't want honest elections. FULL STOP.

708 YankeeBaseball  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:07:31am

Practice does not makes perfect.
Perfect practice makes perfect.

Not sure of the exact quote, but that came from a Vince Lombardi interview I watched.

709 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:07:33am

re: #705 Kenneth

Ron Paul!

710 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:08:00am

re: #700 Sharmuta

I think we've all been duped by those cretins over the years.

711 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:08:19am

re: #700 Sharmuta

I have recently begun to research some of the sources used by so-called counter-jihadis. I've come across one website where they claim to be following the WoT, only to dig deeper to find anti-Semitic screeds in their archives from pat buchanan, and even a vile little essay from Malcolm X.

Was this Jihad Watch or Atlas Shrieks?

712 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:08:30am

re: #700 Sharmuta

I have recently begun to research some of the sources used by so-called counter-jihadis. I've come across one website where they claim to be following the WoT, only to dig deeper to find anti-Semitic screeds in their archives from pat buchanan, and even a vile little essay from Malcolm X.

An anti-jihad site quoting Malcom X?!

713 rightside  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:08:53am

re: #703 lawhawk

I have seen that, and have been giving it great scrutiny. I shall let you know my opinions on that subject if I ever arrive at one.

714 wrenchwench  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:08:56am

re: #700 Sharmuta

I have recently begun to research some of the sources used by so-called counter-jihadis. I've come across one website where they claim to be following the WoT, only to dig deeper to find anti-Semitic screeds in their archives from pat buchanan, and even a vile little essay from Malcolm X.

Stuff you don't want to link to?

715 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:09:24am

re: #711 Kosh's Shadow

Atlas Shrieks, ha Kosh that's the first time I've heard that one. Gonna stick.

716 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:09:25am

re: #677 Killgore Trout

That's not my fault. I have lived overseas too. You told me to share my experiences with healthcare overseas. I have plenty of experience. Ever been to an orthodontist in Delhi? That's big fun.

I can't imagine. My dad was n WWII and tells the story of the army dentists in the jungle bases that powered the drill with a bike crank and pedals.

717 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:09:38am

re: #697 J.S.

Natalie Richardson was British. I think the particulars of her case are significant. She refused medical treatment for several hours. There is no reason to believe she would have fared any better in Vale.

718 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #702 alegrias

* * * *
This is going to sound silly, but have you considered teaching your child to knit? Google ADHD and knitting!

Knitting's an activity that engages many senses and helps self-calm kids. Boyz can make macho things with sticks!

I've looked into it but, it will not help him in class. We're going the route of meds and behavioral therapy.

719 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:09:54am

re: #709 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul!

Is that a reponse to the conspiracy discussion or another penis pun? Just asking.

720 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:19am

re: #705 Kenneth

///No ideas? Are you kidding? We'll fix the economy by returning to the gold standard and fix healthcare with mandatory leeching.

(channeling Ron Paul)

Doesn't that hurt?

721 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:24am

re: #642 Kenneth

We got the gov't the majority voted for. But even they did not fully understand the true nature of it. The people who voted for somebody else may not have wanted Obama, but they supported a party which failed to offer something demonstrably better than Obama. Also, there were many people who did not bother to vote at all. If the people cannot be bothered to insist their elected officials are competent, honest and reflect their values, then it's our own damn fault we get incompetent, crooked and immoral politicians.

In the end, we get the gov't we deserve.

this just makes me bristle.
of course i understand what you are saying but all of us who saw thru this grifter and did not vote for him, will, for the most part, none the less, be paying for all the bad b.s. that we did NOT want and now are stuck w/.
real tax payers are going to get sick of being squeezed so o can play socialist
messiah and be adored by dead beats who are too stupid and unconcerned to see that it is OUR money paying for their entitlements.
grrr

722 justabill  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:25am

re: #532 JohnnyReb

The Yuan is set to become the worlds currency reserve according to a headline on Drudge. China had better start selling off those 2 trillion dollars they got from us pretty quick.

The yuan can't function effectively as a world currency unless China starts to run a trade/fiscal deficit. A reserve currency functions as global "Money Supply". For economic stability, money supply should grow slowly, increasing in proportion to the economy. The long term trade/govt deficits of the US actually encouraged global growth. Unfortunately, the ever-growing total debt undermines confidence in the dollar and makes it less desirable as a reserve currency. A guy by the name of Triffin figured this out some time ago. I suspect the only way to solve it is for there to be no one national reserve currency. The original Bretton Woods conference proposed an international bank note as the global reserve currency, but it never happened and instead the dollar became the world reserve currency by default.

723 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:26am

re: #598 soxfan4life

They get the government the majority feels they deserve. What did any of us do to deserve the current administration?

* * * *
Well, we have failed to show that America is basically good & sexy already & that there's whiskey if you want it.

We have failed to teach that in America, win-win is possible. Everyone can win at something. In America, you don't have to take the other guy's stuff to get your own.

Clearly many village idiots think America ain't good enough yet.

724 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:37am

re: #680 DaddyG

This is gonna generate some ugly puns before the thread peters out.

It shouldn't last too schlong. People will move on to bigger and better items.

725 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #707 realwest

Well the "better system" is already here - Photo Voted ID Card which can only be obtained at designated locations (i.e., DMV) with proof of citizenship, age and address of residence (copy of deed or lease or AT LEAST copies of utility bill to the wannabe voter at the address the wannabe voter choses to vote from as his or her residence). The problem is that the DEMOCRATS don't want that Photo Voter ID Card for reasons that are manifestly spurious and DESIGNED to get phony voters to the polls - just like the overseas military ballots weren't counted.
The Democrats don't want honest elections. FULL STOP.

It is very hard for the dead to get ID cards. I mean, they need someone to take them to the DMV, prop them up, and then they look nothing like the ACORN volunteer who, out of the goodness of his heart, actually votes for the dead so he can stay comfortably in his coffin.
/

726 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:43am

re: #689 HoosierHoops

that is a real cool looking dog in your avatar..

Thanks! He's about four times that size now (he's 6 months) but still looks like that pic - just a bigger and stronger version. He's all full of himself right now but we'll nip that in the bud next week when he goes to the vet to get tutored!

727 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:46am

re: #673 Russkilitlover

You nic reminds me of a long lost friend of mine who loved cats and all things Russian in literature. While I knew her she had tabbies named Dostoyevsky and Chekhov. Her latest addition before we lost touch was a black cat she named Pushkin.

728 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:48am

re: #719 DaddyG

Kind of works in any situation. ha

729 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:10:53am

re: #574 Kosh's Shadow
The Democrats Government running health is BAD period. The idea of the Government running Mental Health is a BAD JOKE.

730 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:11:33am

re: #714 wrenchwench

Stuff you don't want to link to?

I would really rather not link to it. It's not just a WoT blog, but also anti-vax, and New World Order kookspiracy nonsense.

731 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:11:33am

re: #701 Killgore Trout

Killgore? The added taxes to a pack of smokes was an incentive for me to quit. I had a real reason, to spite the Taxer in Chief.

Would that have made it easier for you? I've done a much better job quitting this time than I ever have.

732 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #715 turn

Atlas Shrieks, ha Kosh that's the first time I've heard that one. Gonna stick.

It has been used for weeks here. Check the threads about the Koln rally.

733 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:11:43am

re: #718 MandyManners

I've looked into it but, it will not help him in class. We're going the route of meds and behavioral therapy.


That's good. Everything I've read points to a combination of therapy and carefully prescribed medication being the most effective course of treatment. Too many people are either adverse to medication or think a pill will solve everything. The kid is blessed to have you!

734 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:12:01am

re: #706 Leonidas Hoplite

You mean they don't have unlimited on-demand helicopter medivac in the socialist healthcare paradise? I'm shocked!

The delay in getting Richardson to hospital was not due to a lack of ambulance service. She refused to see a doctor for several hours.

735 calcajun  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:12:25am

re: #729 realwest

Only if the use it only on themselves--and decide to commit themselves.

736 UFO TOFU  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:13:05am

re: #731 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've done a much better job quitting this time than I ever have.


I quit every evening.

737 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:13:14am

re: #733 DaddyG

That's good. Everything I've read points to a combination of therapy and carefully prescribed medication being the most effective course of treatment. Too many people are either adverse to medication or think a pill will solve everything. The kid is blessed to have you!

Thanks! It'll mean commuting to a big city but, that's no problem.

738 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:13:17am

re: #729 realwest

The Democrats Government running health is BAD period. The idea of the Government running Mental Health is a BAD JOKE.

That really is putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum.

739 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:13:23am

re: #724 Creeping Eruption

It shouldn't last too schlong. People will move on to bigger and better items.


I disagree. The thread will probably just putz along.

740 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:13:32am

re: #672 Leonidas Hoplite

Good Morning Lizards!

Just a friendly reminder to always, always, always look before you sit down...

Paging Mr. Jackson...

741 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:13:33am

re: #721 nyc redneck

Hold on to that righteous anger. You'll need it next election.

742 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:14:15am

re: #724 Creeping Eruption

It shouldn't last too schlong. People will move dong to bigger and better items.

FTFY

743 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:14:38am

re: #739 DaddyG

I disagree. The thread will probably just putz along.

Just a dribble here and there?

744 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:14:57am

re: #710 Killgore Trout

I think we've all been duped by those cretins over the years.

I agree.


re: #711 Kosh's Shadow

Was this Jihad Watch or Atlas Shrieks?

Neither. I was researching something else when I came upon this site. I wanted to know if they were a credible source, and started looking around. I decided they weren't credible when I found the anti-Semitism and likewise found the proprietor to be a NWO kook.

745 Buck  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:15:32am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's a better idea than a blanket with arms.

That blanket with arms... is just the thin edge of the wedge ... IT'S A BURKA for goodness sake!


/just kidding

746 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:15:46am

re: #707 realwest

Well the "better system" is already here - Photo Voted ID Card which can only be obtained at designated locations (i.e., DMV) with proof of citizenship, age and address of residence (copy of deed or lease or AT LEAST copies of utility bill to the wannabe voter at the address the wannabe voter choses to vote from as his or her residence). The problem is that the DEMOCRATS don't want that Photo Voter ID Card for reasons that are manifestly spurious and DESIGNED to get phony voters to the polls - just like the overseas military ballots weren't counted.
The Democrats don't want honest elections. FULL STOP.

Agreed. I don't buy the 'intimidation' argument. The government has a right and a duty to know who is voting (though not who they are voting for).

747 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:15:55am

re: #743 Creeping Eruption

Just a dribble here and there?

Yup. The bad jokes will just squirt out.

748 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:16:00am

re: #579 soxfan4life
Ah, no. Social Security is owed Well Over a TRILLION DOLLARS by the US Government, a truly non-parisan raid on SS funds has been going on for decades - need some cash for project x - go take it out of SS.
Had all of the TRILLIONS of bucks put into social security simpley been put into a trust - like the Highway Trust Fund so it could only be used for Social Security's mandates, there'd be no shortage. And had it been invested in US TREASURY NOTES it would be somewhere around a TRILLION dollars larger than it is.
Both Dems an Repub's are to blame for this -even when they saw the train wreck coming they kept stealing borrowing from Social Security.

749 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:16:01am
750 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #726 Russkilitlover

OMG a black lab puppy Russ. turn loves them dogs, what's his name and what's his real name?

751 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:16:22am

re: #712 MandyManners

An anti-jihad site quoting Malcom X?!

Some so-called anti-jihadists think it's our support of Israel that has led to the WoT.

752 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:16:35am

re: #734 Kenneth

The delay in getting Richardson to hospital was not due to a lack of ambulance service. She refused to see a doctor for several hours.

I understand that - my response was specifically targeted at the bolded bit...

re: #697 J.S.

Do you recall that American who went to a Montreal ski resort, hit her head and then died? Sanja Gupta of CNN looked up some stats (He wondered about the likelihood of dying of head injury in Canada vs, the U.S.) The stats were -- 22 percent in Canada, 3.6 percent in the United States...(that shocking difference , though may be the result of longer distances between hospitals in Canada...)

753 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:16:53am

re: #683 quickjustice

IMO nothing will work for health care until tort reform is brought to the table. When the typical GP doctor has to pay about $100,000 a year in CT for malpractice insurance, prices are not going to come down until that changes.

754 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:17:01am

re: #716 Creeping Eruption

I can't imagine. My dad was n WWII and tells the story of the army dentists in the jungle bases that powered the drill with a bike crank and pedals.

Chekhov has one of the funniest short stories I've ever read about a visit to the dentist. I had tears pouring out of my eyes reading it. I gotta pull that out and read it tonight, I need some good laughs.

755 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:17:52am

re: #732 Kosh's Shadow

Oh I figured that, LGF's are good at coming up with funny nics like that.

756 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:18:08am

re: #754 Russkilitlover

Chekhov has one of the funniest short stories I've ever read about a visit to the dentist. I had tears pouring out of my eyes reading it. I gotta pull that out and read it tonight, I need some good laughs.

Do you recall the name?

757 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:18:21am

re: #707 realwest

Well the "better system" is already here - Photo Voted ID Card which can only be obtained at designated locations (i.e., DMV) with proof of citizenship, age and address of residence (copy of deed or lease or AT LEAST copies of utility bill to the wannabe voter at the address the wannabe voter choses to vote from as his or her residence). The problem is that the DEMOCRATS don't want that Photo Voter ID Card for reasons that are manifestly spurious and DESIGNED to get phony voters to the polls - just like the overseas military ballots weren't counted.
The Democrats don't want honest elections. FULL STOP.

We have voter ID laws in CT and guess what? You rarely see this state in the news about ACORN crap and the like.

758 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:18:32am

Postmen 'threatened with sack' for refusing to deliver BNP leaflets

Dozens of postal workers are refusing to deliver British National Party election leaflets because they do not want to promote its right-wing 'rubbish', it emerged today.

Around 100 workers in the West Country have told union leaders they will not carry the leaflets, which bear an anti-immigration message.

They have accused Royal Mail bosses in Bristol and Somerset of 'bullying' over delivering material with one office allegedly threatening workers with the sack if they do not comply.

759 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:19:09am

re: #751 Sharmuta

Some so-called anti-jihadists think it's our support of Israel that has led to the WoT.

I reckon they've never read the Koran.

760 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:19:21am
761 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:20:16am

re: #749 Iron Fist

It's been that way for a generation at least. I was bored out of my mind in school (general education). I had a few really good teachers (my 10th grade History teacher won teacher of the year), but most were too busy teaching to the bottomm even in the so-called honors and AP programs. I never did homework, and openly slept in class. I got a real shock my first semester of college.

I did learn about the application of violence as a problem-solving tool. That was an important lesson :-)

I did my homework in class, or at least some of it. And that was in an exam high school.
In 3rd grade, the teacher recognized this and assigned me to help the other students; in 4th grade, I got knocked down in reading because I never knew the place; I had read the entire story in the time it took them to read a page, and I had read the whole book in a couple of weeks.

Then, I placed out of introductory physics and math, so my first physics class was with an elderly German professor who taught the old way. Very precise. Now that was challenging. I stayed awake in that class.

762 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:20:18am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Postmen 'threatened with sack' for refusing to deliver BNP leaflets

Channeling PATCO...

763 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:20:32am

re: #760 taxfreekiller

ACORN

what else do you need to know

How can we crack them?

764 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:21:21am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

"The GOP is not proposing"--- the GOP is not in power. There are plenty of "reasonable" health care proposals out there that center on empowering consumers, and breaking up monopolies that rob consumers of information they need to make important health care decisions. Obama is heading in the opposite direction, towards destroying competition in health care.

As for the economy, again, the GOP isn't in power. Limiting government "stimulus" to dollars amounts that actually stimulate seems prudent however. And refraining from terrible economic policies that are corporatist, start trade wars with Canada, and drag the economy down would be a good start.

765 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:21:38am

re: #717 Kenneth

British was she? ok. (btw, I do think it's a huge, huge mistake to simply try to do some sort of cross country/cross cultural comparisons of health care delivery systems -- each country is unique and each country devises its own statndards/methods -- with both pros and cons. And, even though a Canadian health care system works OK up here, it doesn't mean it'd translate to the United States. Can't just transposse different systems to different countries.) (My interenet connection is acting up, really annoying, huge delays, etc.)

766 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:22:13am

re: #757 JohnnyReb

We have voter ID laws in CT and guess what? You rarely see this state in the news about ACORN crap and the like.

Ditto for Georgia. We also have electronic voting machines state wide and have experienced very few fraud issues. Provisional ballots are used for those who cannot provide ID and they are checked against the registrations if they need to be counted in the totals.

I've worked as a volunteer on several elections and I can tell you the problems with machines are conspiracy theory stuff. Paper ballots and lack of ID cause much more problems.

767 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:22:33am

re: #750 turn

OMG a black lab puppy Russ. turn loves them dogs, what's his name and what's his real name?

His registered name is King John. We call him KJ - and a bunch of other things when he's in destructo mode, which is almost anytime he's not sleeping. But I love the little dickens and he's going to be a great dog.

768 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:22:44am

re: #748 realwest

non-parisan raid


You mean the Dutch?

769 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:22:47am
770 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:23:19am

re: #587 Kenneth
Well in a Democracy or even a Democratic Republic people get the government they deserve EXCEPT WHEN the Mainstream Media doesn't report on important things about major candidates (and no I don't mean birth certificiates), and instead tears up some poor schmuck's LIFE because he asked a candidate a legitimate question, and thereby intimidates other citizens from asking questions, when the MSM countenances voter fraud and deceit (how come it's SIX MONTHS AFTER THE ELECTION AND WE'RE ONLY NOW HEARING ABOUT THE NON-COUNTING OF MILITARY BALLOTS?) and when One Party is willing to not only overlook voter fraud by ACORN and others, but to REWARD THEM for doing so with taxpayer dollars, then you can't say "We" got the government We deserved.

771 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:23:58am
772 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:24:15am

re: #767 Russkilitlover

Hopefully you have another dog to keep him company, that helps a lot on the destructo thing. Very cute KJ.

773 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:24:32am

re: #753 JohnnyReb

My brother is a Connecticut OB/GYN. I've testified before the Connecticut legislature on the issue of excessively high medical malpractice premiums for physicians. CSMS has a completely ineffective lobbying strategy that amounts to trying the same failed strategy over and over again. I've told them as much, and I've been ignored.

774 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:24:33am

re: #756 Creeping Eruption

Do you recall the name?

"Surgery." (I'm 99% sure that's the title).

775 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:25:50am

re: #730 Sharmuta

I would really rather not link to it. It's not just a WoT blog, but also anti-vax, and New World Order kookspiracy nonsense.

Which blog? No need to link, just a name.

776 VegasRick  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Postmen 'threatened with sack' for refusing to deliver BNP leaflets

And your opinion?

777 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:26:20am

re: #769 taxfreekiller

Obama List:

1. Worked for ACORN
2. Did law work for ACORN
3. Was supported in all his political races by ACORN.
4. He supports ACORN now.
5. ACORN supports Obama now.

its all you need

Man Up America.

If ACORN is the problem, I have the solution - we need
SUPER SQUIRREL!

sorry but I couldn't resist.

778 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:26:43am

re: #774 Russkilitlover

I'll keep my eye out for it. Thanks.

779 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:27:26am

re: #610 alegrias
A thousand updings if I could get past all the folks who are only out here to see who can out-pun the others.
But clearly, from the lack of up or down dings on this thread, the DT is JUST a play thread and the discussion of Open, relevent topics is not something folks apprciate so much at this hour of the morning.

780 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:27:54am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Postmen 'threatened with sack' for refusing to deliver BNP leaflets

Sad to say, I think the postman in question should be fired if he won't deliver the mail he's told to deliver. Postal workers are not there to pass judgments on the mail, thier function is to get it from point A to point B.

781 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:28:11am

re: #777 Kosh's Shadow

If ACORN is the problem, I have the solution - we need
SUPER SQUIRREL!

sorry but I couldn't resist.

/currently busy on location in a west bank studio as the next, soon to be deceased, over-sized Jew eating, furry woodland creature.

782 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:28:33am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Postmen 'threatened with sack' for refusing to deliver BNP leaflets

Like it or not (and I don't like the BNP), if the BNP paid the postage, they have to deliver it. Same as if it were Labour leaflets, or anything else like that if the postage has been paid.

783 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:28:50am

re: #696 Kosh's Shadow

Not true. There are great conservative ideas on health care and the economy, but the MSM doesn't cover them, and the GOP isn't smart enough to figure them out.

784 VegasRick  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:28:55am

re: #780 Dark_Falcon

Sad to say, I think the postman in question should be fired if he won't deliver the mail he's told to deliver. Postal workers are not there to pass judgments on the mail, thier function is to get it from point A to point B.

You are correct.

785 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:29:01am

re: #775 Honorary Yooper

Centre for Research on Globalization

786 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:29:27am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

My general point is that since the GOP is not proposing any reasonable ideas to help the economy or improve the healthcare system I'm looking for ideas elsewhere.

* * * *
You keep saying that but it seems you have not troubled yourself to find out FROM the GOP itself WHAT their ideas are. (GOP websites, Newt Gingrich's "American Solutions" Michael Steele's communications, etc.)

It isn't right for you to assert the GOP has NO reasonable ideas!
Several of us here have mentioned many of their ideas such as Health Savings Accounts and YOU getting the tax benefit of your insurance expenses, instead of your employer.

You repeat over and over that only the Dems have ideas. Why are you taking Dem's warmed over command economy ideas at face value, and devaluing the GOP ideas you don't bother to examine for yourself? Lizards can't think for you.

787 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:30:21am

re: #766 DaddyG

Ditto for Georgia. We also have electronic voting machines state wide and have experienced very few fraud issues. Provisional ballots are used for those who cannot provide ID and they are checked against the registrations if they need to be counted in the totals.

I've worked as a volunteer on several elections and I can tell you the problems with machines are conspiracy theory stuff. Paper ballots and lack of ID cause much more problems.


Same here and those provisional ballots are immediately put in a lock box that no one in the fire house has a key too. The only annoying thing with CT voter laws is any ties are decided with a coin toss. How 1600s. That really needs to be changed, but no one will touch it.

788 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:32:21am

re: #776 VegasRick

I'm on the fence with that one. The article says the mail carriers have an ethics clause in their contract so they don't have to deliver stuff that is against their conscience. Either way, it is within their rights to refuse to deliver BNP material. If they get sacked they'll have to accept the consequences.

789 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:32:25am

re: #783 quickjustice

Not true. There are great conservative ideas on health care and the economy, but the MSM doesn't cover them, and the GOP isn't smart enough to figure them out.

Is the GOP proposing these? If so, then I stand corrected; otherwise, that was my point. They're not proposing much other than to be opposed to the admittedly incorrect and dangerous ideas of the Democrats.

790 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:32:28am

re: #770 realwest

Well in a Democracy or even a Democratic Republic people get the government they deserve EXCEPT WHEN the Mainstream Media doesn't report on important things about major candidates (and no I don't mean birth certificiates), and instead tears up some poor schmuck's LIFE because he asked a candidate a legitimate question, and thereby intimidates other citizens from asking questions, when the MSM countenances voter fraud and deceit (how come it's SIX MONTHS AFTER THE ELECTION AND WE'RE ONLY NOW HEARING ABOUT THE NON-COUNTING OF MILITARY BALLOTS?) and when One Party is willing to not only overlook voter fraud by ACORN and others, but to REWARD THEM for doing so with taxpayer dollars, then you can't say "We" got the government We deserved.

Agreed, but the MSM will never talk about fraud. The left thinks deceit is OK as long as they get the result they want. Its a Communist attitude they got via Saul Alinsky. BTW, kudos to Bill O'Reilly for finally bringing up Alinsky vis-a-vis the left on Wednesday night. That segment was excellent and informative.

791 njdhockeyfan  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Tories Against the BNP

Tim Montgomerie and James Bethell of ConservativeHome have started an excellent new site: Nothing British About The BNP.

Tim has also written a strong anti-BNP piece in the Torygraph:

I have long believed that the best way to defeat the British National Party and other extremist groups was to deny them the oxygen of publicity. That belief was shaken when I talked to two people in Salisbury cathedral after Sunday morning worship. We were having a pleasant conversation about the state of the nation and they suddenly mentioned that they’d be voting BNP. My jaw dropped.

It quickly became clear that they had no idea what the BNP really stood for. They said that they liked its patriotism and opposition to political sleaze. They wanted to register a protest vote. I asked if they knew about the Nazi ideology that many BNP activists followed. I asked if they knew about the party’s preference for an all-white Britain. They didn’t. They were horrified and promised to find a different vehicle for their protest vote.


792 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:33:07am

re: #681 3 wood
Can you see any other country's bonds being rated higher than ours?

793 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:33:50am

re: #788 Killgore Trout

I'm on the fence with that one. The article says the mail carriers have an ethics clause in their contract so they don't have to deliver stuff that is against their conscience. Either way, it is within their rights to refuse to deliver BNP material. If they get sacked they'll have to accept the consequences.

They shouldn't have such a clause in their contract. What happens if they get something they disagree with, like a Muslim mail carrier carrying a Jewish newspaper? Does it get thrown out?

794 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:33:57am

re: #780 Dark_Falcon

Sad to say, I think the postman in question should be fired if he won't deliver the mail he's told to deliver. Postal workers are not there to pass judgments on the mail, thier function is to get it from point A to point B.

That's an excellent point, but remember ... that's the classic Nuremberg defense (even though these postmen aren't leaders in any sense.)

What if some of the postmen were publicly willing to quit their jobs, rather than deliver those leaflets? That would sure as hell call some much-needed negative attention to the BNP.

/just sayin'

795 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:34:13am

re: #792 realwest

Can you see any other country's bonds being rated higher than ours?

Higher than James' rating of 007?

796 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:34:22am
797 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:34:38am

re: #699 MandyManners

Look at the heath care our elected officials get. I doubt they'll be lining up with the rest of us.

* * * *
Mandy, surgeons at Bethesda Naval Hospital (the President's Own! Where Congress goes when sick, and John McCain's 97 year old millionaire mother too) left a scalpel tip in my brother's knee, causing infection and requiring new surgery. (We were military brats at the time)

Sorry, Navy docs might be great, but they're not the best. Congress & the President can have them!

798 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:34:39am

re: #785 Sharmuta

Centre for Research on Globalization

Canadian, very strange site that seems to have a lot of conspiracy stuff on its main page. Apparently they have a "Global Research Hour" on some network called RBN. Ralph Nader's appeared on that show. Tells me it's a conglomeration of wingnuts, both right and left.

799 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:35:09am

re: #791 njdhockeyfan

Tories Against the BNP

Yikes!

800 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:35:37am

re: #683 quickjustice
Yeah, but ya see the problem is her plans or concepts depend on people working to make a living, not just thinking that they may have to actually get a real job cause their chosen vocation isn't yeilding enough income right now.

801 VegasRick  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:36:04am

re: #788 Killgore Trout

I'm on the fence with that one. The article says the mail carriers have an ethics clause in their contract so they don't have to deliver stuff that is against their conscience. Either way, it is within their rights to refuse to deliver BNP material. If they get sacked they'll have to accept the consequences.

I agree. (geez that was hard to post).

802 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:36:09am

re: #789 Kosh's Shadow

As I said upthread, McCain had en excellent health care policy proposal during his campaign. It involved changing the tax incentives in health care to shift health insurance from people who are over-insured (generally in employer health plans) to those who are under-insured (those who don't have employer-based insurance). It could have been done without bankrupting the health care system, as Obama proposes.

803 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:36:25am

re: #786 alegrias

Here's the GOP healthcare platform

I've read it. It's pretty damn vague an I don't see them making any efforts to implement this stuff or get bipartisan support for their ideas.

804 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:37:45am

re: #363 soxfan4life

How do we get the government to fund a conservative version of PBS or NPR?

The government will never take responsibility for getting any ideological entity like this off the ground. It's the responsibility of those who want such a thing to establish it.

805 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:38:01am
806 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:39:04am

re: #788 Killgore Trout

I'm on the fence with that one. The article says the mail carriers have an ethics clause in their contract so they don't have to deliver stuff that is against their conscience. Either way, it is within their rights to refuse to deliver BNP material. If they get sacked they'll have to accept the consequences.

Unless the material is illegal, if your job is moving it, then you move it as instructed. If you conscience won't permit that, quit. End of story.

807 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:39:08am

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

Agreed, but the MSM will never talk about fraud. The left thinks deceit is OK as long as they get the result they want. Its a Communist attitude they got via Saul Alinsky. BTW, kudos to Bill O'Reilly for finally bringing up Alinsky vis-a-vis the left on Wednesday night. That segment was excellent and informative.

I watched that segment and also thought is was excellent, so much so that the first thing I did when I got to my computer in the morning was to wiki Alinsky. MSNBC (Mathews, Olbermann, Maddow et al) thrive on ridicule, it's disgusting when you think about it.

808 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:39:16am

re: #793 Kosh's Shadow

They shouldn't have such a clause in their contract. What happens if they get something they disagree with, like a Muslim mail carrier carrying a Jewish newspaper? Does it get thrown out?


I'll go along with that. They probably shouldn't have that clause in thier contract. However, as an individual each mail carrier has the right to act on their own morals and they should accept the consequences of their actions.

809 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:39:45am

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Here's the GOP healthcare platform

I've read it. It's pretty damn vague an I don't see them making any efforts to implement this stuff or get bipartisan support for their ideas.

Currently, it doesn't matter what they propose. There's only one party in control of both houses of Congress and the Executive branch. Even if they propose a great bipartisan idea, odds are it'll be squashed by the current Speaker. They need ideas for 2010, not for this current Congress. This current Congress is lost.

810 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:40:04am

re: #779 realwest Oops... I'll behave. ;-)

811 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:40:04am

Speaking of nazis- I was running a search, and oddly this popped up:

Muslims Have Conquered Europe Without Firing A Shot

I thought this was pretty heavy on the hyperbole, so I took a look. And it's promoting the usual suspects.

Coming back to my earlier comment on checking sources- I decided to look into this Eurabia theory, and I found this yesterday:

Do Muslims Have More Children Than Other Women in Western Europe?

Muslim fertility rates are dropping in Europe, yet we're seeing this mantra. Makes me question the whole lot of it.

812 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:40:05am
813 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:40:30am

re: #800 realwest

Most people work. If there's an employee health plan where they work, the employer gets a tax deduction for contributions to that plan, but he also pays the employee less. If the plan were eliminated, and the employee's pay increased, the employee could pay for his own health insurance, and open an HSA.

If someone is unemployed, you need a safety net in the form of health care vouchers during the term of illness.

814 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:40:50am

re: #753 JohnnyReb

IMO nothing will work for health care until tort reform is brought to the table. When the typical GP doctor has to pay about $100,000 a year in CT for malpractice insurance, prices are not going to come down until that changes.

* * * *
Many doctors quit practicing medicine in some states, so you have few or none OB-GYNs there, for example.

815 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:41:57am

re: #806 Dark_Falcon

Unless the material is illegal, if your job is moving it, then you move it as instructed. If you conscience won't permit that, quit. End of story.

Agreed. I don't see how this is much different than the pharmacists who refuse to give out contraception due to their conscience. They chose the job, they agreed to do the job as long as what is being asked for is legal within the law, and if they don't they should re-evaluate their choice of vocation.

816 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:42:11am

re: #794 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's an excellent point, but remember ... that's the classic Nuremberg defense (even though these postmen aren't leaders in any sense.)

What if some of the postmen were publicly willing to quit their jobs, rather than deliver those leaflets? That would sure as hell call some much-needed negative attention to the BNP.

/just sayin'

If they wish to quit rather than deliver something, it is within their rights to do so. I don't think that the Nuremberg defense applies here: The issue is the movement of legal mail. No one has been given an illegal order.

817 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:42:16am

re: #809 Honorary Yooper

Currently, it doesn't matter what they propose. There's only one party in control of both houses of Congress and the Executive branch. Even if they propose a great bipartisan idea, odds are it'll be squashed by the current Speaker. They need ideas for 2010, not for this current Congress. This current Congress is lost.

That proves my point. They've stopped trying. I'll pay attention when they start trying again. I think the GOP would do better to focus on promoting its own ideas than complaining about Obama's but like you said it doesn't really matter. When they stop complaining and start thinking I'll pay attention to them again.

818 turn  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:42:27am

re: #810 DaddyG

Oops... I'll behave. ;-)

ha, yeah real's comment stopped me too. ha

819 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:42:28am
820 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #811 Sharmuta

Speaking of nazis- I was running a search, and oddly this popped up:

Muslims Have Conquered Europe Without Firing A Shot

I thought this was pretty heavy on the hyperbole, so I took a look. And it's promoting the usual suspects.

Coming back to my earlier comment on checking sources- I decided to look into this Eurabia theory, and I found this yesterday:

Do Muslims Have More Children Than Other Women in Western Europe?

Muslim fertility rates are dropping in Europe, yet we're seeing this mantra. Makes me question the whole lot of it.

Meretz MK: Give Gay Palestinians the "Right of Return"

821 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:43:25am

re: #808 Killgore Trout

I'll go along with that. They probably shouldn't have that clause in thier contract. However, as an individual each mail carrier has the right to act on their own morals and they should accept the consequences of their actions.

I agree, but would add, ... they have a responsibility to act.

/"Judgement in Nuremberg" is most illustrative on the point

822 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:43:30am

scenario:
Pelosi is proven to be lying, in which case,
Pelosi is shamed & relieved as speaker or nothing is done to Pelosi.
CIA briefer is either vindicated or vilified regardless.
elements:
CIA was/is telling the truth and facts come out or CIA was telling truth but reverse course in future and lie for political reasons.

823 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:43:48am

re: #814 alegrias

There are too many medical errors. The solution to that is enhanced patient safety within medicine. I'd also advocate for a special, no-fault worker's compensation style system to compensate patients injured by medical errors.

824 njdhockeyfan  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:44:06am

Here is a link from the comment section at Harry's Place.

The BNP members with criminal connections

The BNP’s criminal past is not unfounded. Activists, members and elected officials of the BNP have been charged with rape, murder, paedophilia, racial harassment and assault. BNP leader, Nick Griffin was convicted on race hate charges in 1998 and received a nine-month suspended sentence. This man could be taking a seat in the European Parliament and representing Britain.

There is a list of them with links.

825 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:44:26am

re: #792 realwest

Can you see any other country's bonds being rated higher than ours?

Can you read/write Chinese?

826 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:45:19am

re: #770 realwest

I hear you, and everything you say is true, but... if the people don't insist on better, from politicians, from media and from ourselves, then we end up with worse.

827 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:45:58am

re: #820 Alouette

Meretz MK: Give Gay Palestinians the "Right of Return"

I will add 'gay rights' to my list of things islam can't withstand along with democracy and feminism.

828 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:46:00am

re: #816 Dark_Falcon

If they wish to quit rather than deliver something, it is within their rights to do so. I don't think that the Nuremberg defense applies here: The issue is the movement of legal mail. No one has been given an illegal order.

True. I stretched my point too broadly.

829 njdhockeyfan  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:46:36am

Topless scene cut from 'Terminator'

Terminator Salvation director McG cut a "beautiful" topless shot of Moon Bloodgood out of the action blockbuster - even though the stunning actress was thrilled with the scene.

The Charlie's Angels director thought the shot would add a little tenderness and understanding about Bloodgood's character Blair Williams - but it just seemed out of place when McG was cutting the film together in the editing suite.

830 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:46:52am
831 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #820 Alouette

Meretz MK: Give Gay Palestinians the "Right of Return"

P.S- you have a great blog.

832 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:47:27am

re: #802 quickjustice

As I said upthread, McCain had en excellent health care policy proposal during his campaign. It involved changing the tax incentives in health care to shift health insurance from people who are over-insured (generally in employer health plans) to those who are under-insured (those who don't have employer-based insurance). It could have been done without bankrupting the health care system, as Obama proposes.

I'm not sure that would work well enough. Even routine care has gotten expensive, and there are many health problems where there is no way most people could afford the care. Even catastrophic coverage would still cover a lot of people.
I'm not sure what the solution is. Some of it is cultural; we want the doctor to "do something", and that image is really fed by the medical industry itself. (Listen to some of the ads that Mass General plays in Massachusetts.)
Maybe some of the problem is that I'm in Mass, where costs are high (yet the doctors salaries aren't as great as some other places, when the cost of living is taken into account).

The over $1000/month we pay for health insurance would cover a lot of routine care, but since such a large fraction of health care expenses goes to catastrophic care (like the last 3-6 months of life), I'm not sure how much lower that would be even with a high deductable.
$700/month, less coverage, and a $5000 deductible would be worse than what I have now. I'd save $3600, but could be out $1400 plus the additional costs of regular care.

But the system now is broken. I remember getting a bill for tests; something like $275. Adjusted to the insurance company's rates, down to $75, they paid $50 and I paid $25.
Someone without insurance would get really ripped off.

833 SixDegrees  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:47:45am

re: #347 realwest

Uh, doesn't the First Amendment say: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."?
[emphasis added realwest] So the Press does indeed enjoy special Constitutional protection. The problem with the MSM, as I see it, is that they no longer make any kind of effort to keep their own (mostly liberal bias) out of the REPORTING of the news and instead putting it on the Opinion, op-ed pages.

Sorry, my original reply to this seems to have gotten eaten by Internet hamsters. Briefly: the "press" referred to in the First Amendment is not "the press" we recognize today as reporters, media, newspapers, and so forth. At the time, the term referred simply to publishers of any stripe, whether they published news or not. Although today's media like to invoke the clause as though it applied especially to them, the use of the term "press" to refer strictly to to journalists doesn't really come into use until the 1920s.

As for keeping editorial and reporting content separate, that is a modern fiction that lies at the root of this problem. As already stated, I'd rather have the press simply admit that they're biased and announce what their biases were, rather than have them hide behind the fictional mantle of unbiased objectivity that they've espoused since Hearst's day. Even journalism schools now promote "advocacy journalism," where a very distinct stance on an issue is taken and reporting is geared toward promotion of that stance. The problem, as I see it, is the ongoing deception that journalism is in any way objective. Better to own your biases and put them out where everyone can see them.

Attempts to enforce "fairness" and "balance" upon the media have produced the speech-censoring Fairness Doctrine, and nothing good. I'd rather not see that odious piece of legislation return, although it seems destined to. Far better, I think, to allow and even promote inevitably biased speech, and let the marketplace decide what it wants to hear.

834 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #803 Killgore Trout C'mon. Hope and Change and Yes We Can were specific platforms? When specifics are brought up during campaigns they are shot down. When Newt Gingrich had a specific list of goals set before the country he was villified and misrepresented.

I don't buy the argument that the Republicans aren't effective because they aren't proposing alternative solutions.

835 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:48:44am

re: #829 njdhockeyfan

Topless scene cut from 'Terminator'

Now that's just plain cruel!

836 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:48:45am

re: #808 Killgore Trout

I'll go along with that. They probably shouldn't have that clause in thier contract. However, as an individual each mail carrier has the right to act on their own morals and they should accept the consequences of their actions.

Right. If they can't carry it, they lose their jobs.
If I were a mail carrier, and I had to deliver a copy of Mein Kampf, I'd just have to do it.

837 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:49:36am

re: #827 Sharmuta

That website you mentioned from Canada. It's written by a prof, and I believe he's a Communist. not "anti-hihad." I'm really having lots and lots of trouble posting...there's about a half hour delay here...

838 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:49:52am

re: #829 njdhockeyfan

Topless scene cut from 'Terminator'


Let me guess. It was too titilating. (Sorry Real West - I can't help myself...)

839 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:50:17am

re: #830 taxfreekiller

So, your Leon Panetta, you find the doc's,
you want to stay to the end of Obama term/terms.

Do not have to leak to the NYY's this time, the Washington Times will do.

Nancy is screwed every way from Sunday.

With Panetta in charge, do you see one or more CIA "briefers" being thrown under the bus regardless of veracity of statements to date? Is the CIA lying and the truth will come out, or be withheld, in an effort from her own party to Get Pelosi?

840 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:50:40am

re: #829 njdhockeyfan

Topless scene cut from 'Terminator'

Well, I have to say I agree with the cut. Though I hope they put the shot in DVD.

Boob thread!

841 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:50:54am

re: #725 Kosh's Shadow
Hey KS - I know your comment was tongue in cheek, but frankly mine wasn't. NO Republican of whom I'm aware has opposed Voter Photo ID requirements. NONE.
And when you have a TWO PARTY SYSTEM and One of those two parties is willing to - putting it mildly here - overlook voter fraud, voter intimidation and the non-counting of ballots (disenfranchisement of the self-same military that makes it possible for us to vote at all) and then couple that with nearly half of the eligible electorate not being bothered to vote (so DON'T VOTE for Obama or McCain - vote for Senator or Congressperson at least) then we have a system that's ripe for some sort of serious change. Because if we don't make some serious change (i.e., charge registered voters for NOT VOTING) then the system will become even more corrupt.
Memorial Day is coming up soon, and I can't begin to tell you my disgust at the way those American forces who gave their lives for us would feel if they saw what's happened to our nation.

842 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:50:59am

re: #837 J.S.

There are a number of articles about the WoT.

843 albusteve  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:51:01am

probably been posted...encore!...
VDH unleashes another corker...man would I love to watch a sitdown with him and BO


[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

844 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:51:19am

re: #813 quickjustice

Most people work. If there's an employee health plan where they work, the employer gets a tax deduction for contributions to that plan, but he also pays the employee less. If the plan were eliminated, and the employee's pay increased, the employee could pay for his own health insurance, and open an HSA.

If someone is unemployed, you need a safety net in the form of health care vouchers during the term of illness.

Most insurance now is group insurance. The larger the group, the better the risk is spread, and the lower the premiums. Individual plans have high premiums and poor coverage. That problem has to be solved to make this work.
For example, the total premium for a pure-HMO plan was higher in an 11 person company than a better PPO plan through the Mass Bar Association.

845 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:51:54am

Heh. Get yer popcorn!

Gingrich Rips Into Pelosi

He continued: "I think this is the most despicable, dishonest and vicious political effort I've seen in my lifetime."

"She is a trivial politician, viciously using partisanship for the narrowist of purposes, and she dishonors the Congress by her behavior."

"Speaker Pelosi's the big loser, because she either comes across as incompetent, or dishonest. Those are the only two defenses,” Gingrich said. “The fact is she either didn't do her job, or she did do her job and she's now afraid to tell the truth.”

846 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:52:28am

re: #842 Sharmuta

There are a number of articles about the WoT.

IMHO, it's a strange site. Articles about the WoT, but also people like Ralph Nader.

847 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:52:36am

re: #792 realwest

Nope. The Euro won't become the world reference currency because every country in the Eurozone has it's own treasury department. They have a common currency, but they don't have a common fiscal policy. That makes the Euro too unpredictable. The Chinese yuan won't become the world reference currency because the Chinese government is a corrupt socialist/facsist dictatorship. Nobody trusts them and therefore, nobody trusts their currency.

The biggest factor in the US favor is the stable democratic political environment. Nobody else is as strong on that count.

848 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:53:07am

re: #832 Kosh's Shadow

Here's the link about why the Massachusetts health plan has failed:

[Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]

"Massachusetts, which operates a U.S. analogue to a national government-run health-insurance market, is, in fact, a case study illustrating why health insurance run by Washington would collapse on itself. By March 2009, the state's uninsured rate fell to 2.8 percent from about 6 percent. The market, stocked with private-sector insurance policies, had insured 169,000 people in two new programs, one of which directly subsidizes uninsured individuals.

Good news, right? Wrong. Both the political right and left have correctly criticized the Massachusetts market for its inability to control costs.

The left complained that costs were so high that 73,000 people were excused from the requirement to purchase health insurance. Further, when 2008 premiums in the subsidized plans rose by 8 percent to12 percent, the government raised enrollees' deductibles and co-pays.

Conservatives criticized the limits on the competition that could lower costs in the government-run market. For starters, the state standardized plan benefits. The choices for patients are akin to a Soviet-style supermarket stocked with essentially identical products.

Conservatives also bemoaned the excessive generosity in benefit design (plans must cover 43 benefits, including in vitro fertilization and chiropractor services). Finally, conservatives questioned the generous level of subsidies (families of four with income up to about $63,000 are eligible).

Not surprisingly, enrollment by subsidized enrollees was some 36,000 higher than expected, while the 19,000 unsubsidized enrollees represented only half of the expected number. The state's bill for employees and their families who work for large companies increased 24.6 percent to $793.7 million in the last fiscal year.

By 2009, Massachusetts enacted almost $800 million in new taxes to fund, among other things, the third year of health care reform. Now, the state government, desperate for revenue, is considering setting the prices of health insurance and essentially taking control over all health-care costs, other than Medicare and out-of-pocket spending. If this sounds like a march into a single-payer Soviet-style system, that's because it is."

849 albusteve  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:53:28am

re: #834 DaddyG

C'mon. Hope and Change and Yes We Can were specific platforms? When specifics are brought up during campaigns they are shot down. When Newt Gingrich had a specific list of goals set before the country he was villified and misrepresented.

I don't buy the argument that the Republicans aren't effective because they aren't proposing alternative solutions.

I don't either...the fundamentals of conservatism are right there for all to see...there are no 'new ideas'...it's the messenger, not the message

850 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:53:52am

re: #845 Russkilitlover

Heh. Get yer popcorn!

Gingrich Rips Into Pelosi

Go Newt! Tear that San Fran bitch a new one!

I'm out. See you all tonight.

851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:53:59am

re: #845 Russkilitlover

Heh. Get yer popcorn!

Gingrich Rips Into Pelosi

Too bad he didn't figure that out before filming those ricockulous AGM PSAs with her.

852 doppelganglander  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:54:32am

re: #709 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul!

Speaking of whom, I know you'll be thrilled about this: Who is Rand Paul?

Last night, the ophthamologist and son of Ron Paul (whose full name is "Randall") announced the formation of his exploratory committee for the U.S. Senate from Kentucky. Speaking last night on Rachel Rachel Maddow's show, he said the Republican Party has "lost its mojo" and appealed to the same Right-Left base that supported and donated some $35 million to his father's 2008 presidential campaign. He has raised nearly $11,000 so far this morning.
853 VegasRick  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:54:34am

re: #830 taxfreekiller

So, your Leon Panetta, you find the doc's,
you want to stay to the end of Obama term/terms.

Do not have to leak to the NYY's this time, the Washington Times will do.

Nancy is screwed every way from Sunday.

I am going on record as saying absolutely NOTHING will happen to pelousy. She is part of the elite, can say and do anything they want without repercussion.
/SPIT

854 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:54:40am

re: #842 Sharmuta

It's a professor's website -- Chossudovsky is his name, there's a wiki article. He despises the United States, he believe that the U.S. and al-qaeda are linked, yes, linked (they're operating in cahoots...he strikes me as a crazoid)...and, he's worked for the United Nations, etc. (again, I suspect he's a communist).

855 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:55:10am

re: #847 Kenneth

...The biggest factor in the US favor is the stable democratic political environment. Nobody else is as strong on that count.


The aftermath of 2010 elections will show whether we still have a stable political environment.

856 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:55:16am

re: #838 DaddyG

Let me guess. It was too titilating. (Sorry Real West - I can't help myself...)

You are SO uplifting today!
Are you already in your cups this early in the morning?

/take umbrage if you want

857 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:55:55am

re: #856 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You are SO uplifting today!
Are you already in your cups this early in the morning?

/take umbrage if you want

Boob. That is all.

858 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:56:27am

re: #757 JohnnyReb
Well first let's get Voter Photo ID THEN we can talk about enforcing it. There are ways to ensure that there is little voter fraud at all, but they are hard to put in place in a two party system of government and only ONE of those two parties is interested in clean, non-fraudulent elections.

859 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:57:10am

re: #852 doppelganglander

Who is Rand Paul?

Can he channel?

/Wheel of Time mode off

860 albusteve  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:58:52am

re: #853 VegasRick

I am going on record as saying absolutely NOTHING will happen to pelousy. She is part of the elite, can say and do anything they want without repercussion.
/SPIT

buzzkiller...the fickle MSM might not agree...they are Obots, not Pbots

861 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:59:17am

An end to the brassiere thread!
Charles is awake --->

862 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:59:46am

re: #854 J.S.

It's a professor's website -- Chossudovsky is his name, there's a wiki article. He despises the United States, he believe that the U.S. and al-qaeda are linked, yes, linked (they're operating in cahoots...he strikes me as a crazoid)...and, he's worked for the United Nations, etc. (again, I suspect he's a communist).

He is editor for the Centre for Research on Globalization, which operates a website at globalresearch.ca. The Centre for Research on Globalization states to be "committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New world order".

I wonder if he's buds with Alex Jones.

863 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:00:10am

re: #837 J.S.

That website you mentioned from Canada. It's written by a prof, and I believe he's a Communist. not "anti-hihad." I'm really having lots and lots of trouble posting...there's about a half hour delay here...

that's right. he's a prof at Ottawa U, and a chomsky style leftist moonbat

864 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:00:10am

re: #857 MrSilverDragon

Boob. That is all.

They are better in pairs.

865 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #858 realwest

I agree 100%. And I simply can't understand why it is not in all 57 states. There is one and only one reason it is not the law of the land in every single state. And that is to facilitate voter fraud.

866 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:01:34am

re: #776 VegasRick
Well my opinion is that, as much as I DETEST BNP and all that it stands for, if it's a legal politcial party in Great Britain, postal workers who refuse to deliver the mail because of their own personal political beiefs should be suspended if not sacked outright.
Suppose a bunch of Republican oriented postal carriers refused to deliver mail for the Democratic Party here in the US? I'd demand that those postal workers be fired not just suspended.

867 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:01:39am

Morning all! Reading the thread (took awhile), it's really interesting to note that the same thread discusses the administration's health strategy and Hugo Chavez' seizure of the Cargill plant. There's actually a connection.

Chavez reportedly seized the plant because Cargill wasn't producing enough of the type of pasta the government demanded be made at prices set by...the government. Okay, let Chavez run the plant using centralized planning (for more than 90 days), and - historically - I'd bet there will be a shortage of ALL the types of pasta that used to be produced there.

What's the relation to national health (insurance or care)? Put it under central planning (as Medicare is now), and over time I'd bet there will be a shortage of ALL the types of health care that used to be provided here.

Why do I cite Medicare? Because in my area, fewer and fewer docs are willing to take Medicare patients because of the cost of compliance and lower reimbursements. If the government demands that all docs take what the central planners deem "proper", it's very likely there will be fewer doctors in the future. And this will lead to longer wait times, poorer service, and a downward spiral in everything from basic health to longevity.

Let's keep and eye on Chavez. The little putz is actually a petrie dish in which we can observe the effects of socialism in real time.

868 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:01:40am

re: #832 Kosh's Shadow

The health care system is dynamic, not static. Physicians are increasingly using genetic information to treat their patients. Within ten years, doctors will be able to customize a treatment plan based upon their analysis of your likely genetic disease and disability trajectory.

That totally changes the economics of health care, and the actuarial calculations. In short, government can't "command and control" customized treatments. That's why Dashcle wants to stop medical research. It's the only way the Democratic health plan can work, economically speaking. With yesterday's technology.

870 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:04:46am

re: #852 doppelganglander


He'll be a big hit. A rockstar is born!

871 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:06:11am

re: #867 subsailor68

You're making reasonable points. My take on Medicare is that it's already failing economically, creating artificial doctor shortages, and destroying quality in the process. Obama wants a lot more of it.

It's a failed health care model which, together with the failed Massachusetts model, the Democrats want to imitate.

872 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:07:33am

re: #811 Sharmuta

Speaking of nazis- I was running a search, and oddly this popped up:

Muslims Have Conquered Europe Without Firing A Shot

I thought this was pretty heavy on the hyperbole, so I took a look. And it's promoting the usual suspects.

Coming back to my earlier comment on checking sources- I decided to look into this Eurabia theory, and I found this yesterday:

Do Muslims Have More Children Than Other Women in Western Europe?

Muslim fertility rates are dropping in Europe, yet we're seeing this mantra. Makes me question the whole lot of it.

But are muslim fertility rates below replacement? My understanding is that the fertility rates for much, if not all, of ethnic europe are well below replacement. If muslim fertility rates are lower than they were a few years ago, but still well about replacement (much less the ethnic european rate) then you will still have a massive demographic shift in the next generation.

873 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:10:05am

re: #829 njdhockeyfan

Topless scene cut from 'Terminator'

Travesty

874 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:12:12am

re: #813 quickjustice
We have a safety net - choose one (whichever is applicable: SSI; SSDI or Medicaid). I'm NOT saying folk's who can't get employer provided medical insurance shoulnd't have access to medical care, just arguing against the ideas that a) the government is the best choice to run all healthcare in this country and b) that saftey net needs to be tighter because although you believe that if employers stop providing health insurance, they'll pass those savings along to their employers in the form of higher wages or salaries, I don't; and not all people who are unemployed are necessariily involuntarily unemployed.

875 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:12:30am

re: #862 MandyManners

He is editor for the Centre for Research on Globalization, which operates a website at globalresearch.ca. The Centre for Research on Globalization states to be "committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New world order".

I wonder if he's buds with Alex Jones.

Good question. I found this interesting on the Wiki article: "The Centre for Research on Globalization states to be "committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New world order"." Sounds like a place for wingnuts. Anti-globalization freaks tend to come out of the extremes of bot sides.

Apparently, Chossudovsky writes for or contributes to the following as well: Le Monde diplomatique, Third World Resurgence, and CovertAction Quarterly. Third World Resurgance is run by some group called the Third World Network (not much on the Wiki). CovertAction Quarterly was founded by Phillip Agee of CIA/KGB fame. Chossudovsky sounds like another wingnut opportunist latching on to right and left whack jobs.

876 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:14:37am

re: #848 quickjustice

Since health care insurance in Mass, for a family plan, is probably at least $1200/month, no wonder even those with good incomes were getting on to the subsidized plan.

But the program got passed in Mass because health care is a big industry here, and that is the very reason that it failed to control costs.

877 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:15:12am

re: #873 Creeping Eruption

this should help relieve some of the misery.

878 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:17:21am

re: #823 quickjustice
" I'd also advocate for a special, no-fault worker's compensation style system to compensate patients injured by medical errors."
I agree SO LONG AS you define Medical Errors as negligence - not simply making a mistake, because most doctors (especially those who are not specialists) work very long, very hard hours and are humans capable of making mistakes. Should someone who is a "victim" of that mistake receive free medical care to undo that mistake: yes. Should they ride a free gravy boat for life when it was a simple mistake, NOT NEGLIGENCE: NO.

879 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:18:20am

re: #875 Honorary Yooper

Chossudovsky is a slightly less bizarre version of Alex Jones. His politics are more Chomsky anarchist than classic Marxist. Running through his writing is a rich vein of anti-Amercianism and, naturally, antisemitism.

880 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:18:45am

re: #875 Honorary Yooper

No. This is an ultra-left-wing of the Noam Chomsky variety...Again, it's left wing...Le Monde diplomatique is devoted to left-wing causes. (it's anti-capitalist), ditto for the other links. It's not trying to appeal to fascists. It's appealing to Ultra-Leftwingers, Communists, etc. that's the intended audience.

881 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:19:24am

re: #832 Kosh's Shadow


But the system now is broken. I remember getting a bill for tests; something like $275. Adjusted to the insurance company's rates, down to $75, they paid $50 and I paid $25.
Someone without insurance would get really ripped off.

Yeah, and with insurance the doc got ripped off.

882 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #862 MandyManners

He is editor for the Centre for Research on Globalization, which operates a website at globalresearch.ca. The Centre for Research on Globalization states to be "committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New world order".

I wonder if he's buds with Alex Jones.

Globalization and the new world odor to me ARE the UN, and he worked there.
Cognitive dissonance in action.

883 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:24:50am

re: #881 kansas

Yeah, and with insurance the doc got ripped off.

I see you are familiar with the ridiculous reimbursements docs get these days.

884 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:25:28am

re: #867 subsailor68
Hey subsailor: "Why do I cite Medicare? Because in my area, fewer and fewer docs are willing to take Medicare patients because of the cost of compliance and lower reimbursements."
Exactly the same thing is true in North Carolina (most folks are unaware that the Medicare rates of reimbursement vary from State to State).

885 realwest  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:28:23am

Well y'all I gotta go - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

886 justabill  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:28:36am

re: #815 Honorary Yooper

Agreed. I don't see how this is much different than the pharmacists who refuse to give out contraception due to their conscience. They chose the job, they agreed to do the job as long as what is being asked for is legal within the law, and if they don't they should re-evaluate their choice of vocation.

A pharmacist is a private citizen, engaging in private business. If he owns his store, and wants to distribute contraception or not, its his store. If it is not his store, and he wants to go against the owners wishes, time to find a new store or vocation.

Someone working for the government is different, they are working for the taxpayers. If the taxpayers decide a piece of mail should be legal they can either deliver it or quit.

887 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:29:41am

re: #884 realwest

Hey subsailor: "Why do I cite Medicare? Because in my area, fewer and fewer docs are willing to take Medicare patients because of the cost of compliance and lower reimbursements."
Exactly the same thing is true in North Carolina (most folks are unaware that the Medicare rates of reimbursement vary from State to State).

Monring RW! Hope you're having a great day! Yep, you're right on. While I'm no expert on Medicare reimbursement rates, I do suspect that they're set by a perceived "cost of living" calculation. So, NYC reimbursement rates are higher than my little Hill Country town. Problem is, there are certain costs (e.g. malpractice insurance - which is based on specialty rather than geographic area) that are the same.

888 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:39:29am

re: #882 Kosh's Shadow

(as you might be aware) the term "globalization" or (british spelling: "globalisation") is a buzz-word for "capitalism" -- and the anti-globalization fanatics are the ones who run about claiming that it's all about American capitalists running amok in the Third World, and those voracious, vicious capitalists are creating/enslaving the illiterate locals just to feed the greedy maw of the capitalist plunderers (as per Z mag, etc.), etc. (oh, and, of course it's the United Nations which will put a stop to this! Ja!)

889 quickjustice  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:44:01am

re: #878 realwest

Rather than write a book on this subject, I'll summarize by saying that a new medical error compensation system would include a feedback loop to the hospital/doctor/provider to permit correction of medical errors, particularly systemic medical errors. The concept of "negligence" is less important if the compensation is linked to fixing the problem that caused the error.

Maybe the "compensation" is simply a "free" procedure to repair the damage caused by the error.

890 Kenneth  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:45:05am

re: #882 Kosh's Shadow

Globalization and the new world odor to me ARE the UN, and he worked there.
Cognitive dissonance in action.

Globalization is a word applied to several different processes. The UN version is the imposition of a world government bureaucracy to run the affairs of member countries and, most importantly, to live off the wealth of the few remaining productive economies.

The other "globalization" is the process of increasing economic liberalization & political democratization. This includes the elimination of trade barriers & tariffs, reduction in government regulations, and the free movement of goods, capital & labour.

These two versions of globalization are diametrically opposed.

891 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:45:54am

re: #888 J.S.

(as you might be aware) the term "globalization" or (british spelling: "globalisation") is a buzz-word for "capitalism" -- and the anti-globalization fanatics are the ones who run about claiming that it's all about American capitalists running amok in the Third World, and those voracious, vicious capitalists are creating/enslaving the illiterate locals just to feed the greedy maw of the capitalist plunderers (as per Z mag, etc.), etc. (oh, and, of course it's the United Nations which will put a stop to this! Ja!)

Yes, I realize this, but it still is cognitive dissonance for them not to realize that what they're proposing is "globalizing" the government.
Maybe the UN does have a purpose. We could get all the idiots like this working there, instead of indoctrinating college students. They could write all the papers they want, which could then be buried somewhere.

892 jamgarr  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #843 albusteve

VDH Rocks!


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