Muslim Brotherhood Faltering in Egypt

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World • Fri May 15, 2009 at 9:35 am PDT • Views: 228

The global jihadist organization calling itself the Muslim Brotherhood is on the ropes in Egypt—and that’s good news, even though Hosni Mubarak is nobody’s idea of a hero.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood is on the defensive, its struggles reverberating throughout Islamist movements that the secretive organization has spawned world-wide.

Just recently, the Brothers’ political rise seemed unstoppable. Candidates linked with the group won most races they contested in Egypt’s 2005 parliamentary elections, gaining a record 20% of seats. Across the border in Gaza, another election the following year propelled the Brotherhood’s Palestinian offshoot, Hamas, into power.

Since then, Egypt’s government jailed key Brotherhood members, crimped its financing and changed the constitution to clip religious parties’ wings. The Brotherhood made missteps, too, alienating many Egyptians with saber rattling and proposed restrictions on women and Christians. These setbacks have undermined the group’s ability to impose its Islamic agenda on this country of 81 million people, the Arab world’s largest.

“When we’re not advancing, we are retreating. And right now we are not spreading, we are not achieving our goals,” the Brotherhood’s second-in-command, Mohamed Habib, said in an interview.

Across the Muslim world, authoritarian governments, Islamist revivalists and liberals often fight for influence. Egypt is a crucial battleground. A decline of the Brotherhood here, with its shrill anti-Israeli rhetoric and intricate ties to Hamas, strengthens President Hosni Mubarak’s policy of engagement with the Jewish state. It could also give him more room to work with President Barack Obama, who is scheduled to visit Egypt next month, on reviving the Arab-Israeli peace process.

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1 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:36:36am

Mubarak's not my guy of choice, but kudos for puting the MB on the ropes. Trick is to keep them there and not let them back up. Too many have let them back up in the past.

2 96RoadKing  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:37:11am

1 problem fading, but I wonder how many spinoffs will rise out of the ashes?

3 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:37:48am

Must be why Barry is going over there. Needs to give the boys a pep talk.

4 96RoadKing  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:38:48am

No doubt, the big zero will apologize to the MB for their current problems

5 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:39:26am

Now what the MB really needs is a bailout

6 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:39:41am

I have to wonder how much funding investigations and trials like the holy land foundation have hurt them. Less money, less influence.

What ever is going on, I hope it continues. Bad news for the brotherhood is good news for us.

7 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:39:59am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what the MB really needs is a bailout

Tea party?

8 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:40:01am

The more internet cafes in Muslim environs, the less of a toehold the haters will have.

9 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:40:12am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what the MB really needs is a bailout

Call me cynical, but I'd bet there's something in the new budget for it.

/on the fence

10 Wyatt Earp  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:41:20am

Thank you, President Obama, for helping unclench that fist!

///

11 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:41:41am

re: #9 MrSilverDragon

Call me cynical, but I'd bet there's something in the new budget for it.

/on the fence

As long as he asked the Chinese nicely for his allowance, it shouldn't be a problem...

12 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now what the MB really needs is a bailout

How about we put them in a leaky boat and let them try to bail out?

13 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:43:18am

re: #8 Capitalist Tool

The more internet cafes in Muslim environs, the less of a toehold the haters will have.

Especially if they can get to porn sites.
"I never knew what was under a burkha. That's way better than a goat!"

14 Randall Gross  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:43:50am

This is good news, but it's not time to let up pressure. Unrest remains higher than normal and Egypt's crackdown on non-islamist critics isn't aiding the picture.

Also note the "charity show" ties to their financing:

On a recent evening visit to the two Brotherhood clinics, no doctor or patients could be seen. The clinics themselves turned out to be tiny rooms tucked into corners of Brotherhood offices. Behind the flimsy curtains, they contained little more than a cupboard full of pills, rickety furniture and a blood-pressure gauge.

15 Ojoe  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:45:03am

May fanatics falter everywhere.

16 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:45:26am
The Brotherhood made missteps, too, alienating many Egyptians with saber rattling and proposed restrictions on women and Christians.

This is a positive sign that the population is rejecting wahabbism and fundamentalists, and that's what we'd want to see- the population/electorate rejecting extremists naturally, and turning to more moderate parties and policies that will stand up for women and individual rights.

17 brookly red  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:46:31am

/didn't Pakistan say the Taliban was on the ropes a few months ago?

18 Ojoe  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:47:09am

It will probably turn out that the MB was a pyramid scheme.

19 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:47:52am
20 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:48:16am

VERY interesting, but let no one think the Brotherhood will go quietly into the night. It may lose ground, but will not lose its base of support.

/read the article carefully

21 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:48:51am

re: #14 Thanos

Morning Thanos!

Hmmm...from your post:

On a recent evening visit to the two Brotherhood clinics, no doctor or patients could be seen. The clinics themselves turned out to be tiny rooms tucked into corners of Brotherhood offices. Behind the flimsy curtains, they contained little more than a cupboard full of pills, rickety furniture and a blood-pressure gauge.

I think that actually describes a typical doctor's office under the administration's proposed health care approach.

;-)

22 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:49:50am

Democracy in the middle east is a delicate seedling. It needs time and culturing -but the fruit is worth the effort.

23 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:51:38am

re: #18 Ojoe

It will probably turn out that the MB was a pyramid scheme.

actually, they're a ticking tomb bomb...

24 hellosnackbar  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:52:15am

One tiny step;let's hope it heralds a few more!

25 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:53:52am

re: #14 Thanos

This is good news, but it's not time to let up pressure. Unrest remains higher than normal and Egypt's crackdown on non-islamist critics isn't aiding the picture.

Also note the "charity show" ties to their financing:

The clinics anecdote is exceedingly interesting. I wonder if this is the norm among all the clinics which the Brotherhood runs. I'd been under the impression that the Brotherhood's social services sector was something of a thriving operation, with a broad outreach. Hmmm.

26 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:04am

O, "peace in the Middle East" is at hand! Riiight.

This line keeps the trillions pouring in.

27 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #25 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The clinics anecdote is exceedingly interesting. I wonder if this is the norm among all the clinics which the Brotherhood runs. I'd been under the impression that the Brotherhood's social services sector was something of a thriving operation, with a broad outreach. Hmmm.

come on now, you know you can't reach out to broads in muslim society: you'll lose your hand.

28 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:57:26am
even though Hosni Mubarak is nobody’s idea of a hero.

Neither was Musharaff, but his replacement is overseeing the implosion of Pakistan.

29 Randall Gross  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:58:01am

This is the most heartening part of the article:

The latest controversy surrounding the Brotherhood stemmed from its behavior during Israel's Gaza war, a campaign initially seen as a boon to the Islamist movement. Harnessing widespread popular feelings of sympathy with the Palestinian cause, the Brotherhood organized two massive street demonstrations in Alexandria and Cairo during the war, attacking President Mubarak's regime for failing to help Gaza's Hamas rulers.

But these protests soon fizzled. Calls by some Brotherhood leaders to send fighters to Gaza alienated many Egyptians who have no desire to see their own country, at peace with Israel since 1979, embroiled in war once again.

"They went too far and just frightened the street," says Mahmoud Abaza, the leader of the Wafd party who, because the Brotherhood faction is technically made up of independents, serves as the leader of opposition in parliament. "It was a miscalculation."

30 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:02:13am

The muslim brotherhood needs to be repressed but the muslim sisterhood needs to be liberated.

31 Ben Hur  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:03:35am

I wonder if lifting Bush's policy that aid $ to Egypt must find its way to pro-democracy groups will reverse this trend.

32 Arrr  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:03am

It was a brilliant move by Bush and Rice to twist the arm of Mubarak to hold fairer elections, knowing that the Muslim Brotherhood would temporarily gain influence. When the Muslim Brotherhood gained some power, they proved to the people how vile they really were.

Democracy really is the best weapon.

33 Ben Hur  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:15am

And even if the MB was gone tomorrow, Mubu wouldn;t usher in democracy.

34 Ben Hur  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:05:03am

HAMAS is the "Palestinian" branch of the Mus Broth.

35 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:07:25am

re: #32 Arrr

It was a brilliant move by Bush and Rice to twist the arm of Mubarak to hold fairer elections, knowing that the Muslim Brotherhood would temporarily gain influence. When the Muslim Brotherhood gained some power, they proved to the people how vile they really were.

Democracy really is the best weapon.

Didn't seem to work in Pakistan, though. Or Gaza.

36 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:07:50am

How old is Mubarak now?

If Egypt has a succession to deal with in the next few years, let's hope MB stays on the ropes.

37 Ben Hur  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:10:01am
38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:13:41am

re: #35 Kosh's Shadow

Didn't seem to work in Pakistan, though. Or Gaza.

The political situations in Pakistan and Gaza/West Bank were far different from Egypt's. Apples and oranges.

39 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:34:01am

Egypt has suppressed the Brotherhood before and it's come back strong. Meanwhile, Mubarak is in his 80s and there's likely to be a violent reaction to any attempt to pass Pharaoh's throne the presidency on to his son, resulting in just the kind of chaos the Brotherhood could exploit.

I'm glad they're feeling the heat right now, but the Muslim Brotherhood is by no means out.

40 Unakite  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:51:39am

re: #27 redc1c4

come on now, you know you can't reach out to broads in muslim society: you'll lose your hand.

Well, now since waterboarding is torture, maybe they'll just waterboard you.
//

41 jvic  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:54:51am

re: #25 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The clinics anecdote is exceedingly interesting. I wonder if this is the norm among all the clinics which the Brotherhood runs. I'd been under the impression that the Brotherhood's social services sector was something of a thriving operation, with a broad outreach. Hmmm.

re: #6 Sharmuta

I have to wonder how much funding investigations and trials like the holy land foundation have hurt them. Less money, less influence.

Oil prices have dropped...

42 Bob Dillon  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:05:05am

re: #20 pre-Boomer Marine brat

VERY interesting, but let no one think the Brotherhood will go quietly into the night. It may lose ground, but will not lose its base of support.

/read the article carefully

Yes - these are not folks who will stand up and be counted. They will go further underground and bide their time like a dormant virus.

43 experiencedtraveller  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:10:53am

O Egypt! What a magnificent place.

I pray that I live to see the day that a thriving democracy governs this ancient land.

44 shortshrift  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:22:25am

Meanwhile, the Brotherhood expands its propaganda arm, thanks to Al Jazeera and the Emir of Qatar:[Link: backspin.typepad.com...]

45 damnyanqui  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:10:00pm

Again we see the value of what is essentially... well... a military dictatorship in a country with a large terrorist population and strong pro-terrorist movement.
Just as is the case in Algeria and Tunisia, the only answer for these countries is an iron fist. Someday the societies may evolve to the point where they can enjoy the minutely fettered liberties we enjoy. But today? Sorry.
Such was the case in the dynamic, progressive, prosperous Iran back in the 1970s. A tough government kept the animals at bay...
UNTIL... a naive American president screwed our ally over and bequeathed us the world's first highly developed, oil rich, anti-American, extremist, terror sponsor state.
Fortunately we have no such leadership now.
Do we?
How long before the Oprabama adminstrations starts making terrorist participation in Egypt's government a condition for continued U.S. aid?
Let's wish our (still) friendly thug Mubarak and his sons long lives, good health, prosperity and success.

46 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:58:28pm
The understanding of the structure of the Muslim Brotherhood has often been misunderstood in the United States, where it is often viewed as Egyptian organization. The international structure is largely ignored. It is also worth remembering (although it seldom is) that Hamas is, according to its own statutes-article 2-an organic part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
47 elclynn  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:26:05pm

While Egypt has the Muslim Brotherhood on the ropes, today's news from Egypt, Giza specifically, is not so good. Seems a Christian and Muslim mommies got into an argument over their kids. Rumors went out from the usual suspects that a Christian kid threw a rock toward a mosque. Muslims rioted, people injured, people arrested. Iranian cell busted in Egypt. They were there to proselytize the Shi'a form of Islam.

48 Reluctant Democrat  Fri, May 15, 2009 6:51:31pm

I remember seeing a guy on a TV special a couple of months ago, the son of a Pali jihadist, and he said that global jihad is at the brink of collapse. It sounded strange but I think it's true. They may kill a few people here and there, but jihad has lost the hearts and minds, IMO.

49 NelsFree  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:09pm

Temporary setback in one country. Islam has been at it for Centuries. Dar-ul-Harb is where we are and will be as long as America remains free.

50 Zimriel  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:47:18pm

This seems like the most relevant (and underused, heh) thread to bring this up:

I have rewritten the Wikipedia article on Caliph Yazid III, 744 AD. Yazid, after achieving power, interpreted Islam as a doctrine of human free will(!) and the Caliphate as an elective office(!). Yazid promised not to discriminate against non Arabs (being half Persian himself), to step down if his reforms were not successful, and not to overtax the dhimmis.

Seems to me that the Brotherhood's interpretation of Islam owes more to Arab bandits than to the thought of those caliphs who actually cared about their fate in the hereafter...


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