Glenn Beck Fears Assassins

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Media • Fri May 15, 2009 at 9:49 am PDT • Views: 270

Rupert Murdoch may need to put Glenn Beck on suicide watch after his latest paranoid rant about ACORN:

“If I’m ever in a weird car accident, or I commit suicide or something, after the media stops celebrating my death, could they check into it? Because I’m not suicidal. And I’m a pretty good driver.”

Beck says he isn’t suicidal in this clip, but on other occasions he has said something completely different. For example, in a November 2008 radio show about a teenager who committed suicide:

Do you see yourself there at all? Have you ever been there? I’ve been there.

Seriously, Rupert. Keep an eye on this guy.

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1 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:50:59am

Did the film 'Network' come to life and is staring this man?

2 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:51:07am

Only thing currently running through my mind is "What a douchebag."

3 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:51:37am

Who does he think he is? Howard Beale?
Life imitates art.

4 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:51:51am

Paranoia is a very comfortable state of mind.

5 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:52:07am

Glenn Beck- he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.

6 itellu3times  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:52:39am

He already has bees living in his head, maybe someone should look into that.

7 Gella  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:52:56am

he is insane

8 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:53:26am

Glenn Beck, Character Assassin, commits sepuku

9 EaterOfFood  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:53:30am

Guess he fell off the wagon.

10 DistantThunder  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:53:38am

He's announced previously that his daughter had asked him why they have 2 police cars parked outside of their home every night. He didn't tell her that it was due to multiple death threats, but it was. And that was a couple of months ago.

11 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:53:44am

i suspect medication non-compliance.

12 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:54:39am

How much do we need to pay CNN to take him back?

13 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:54:49am

The word "goober" comes to mind.

14 pat  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:16am

It is all about the ratings.

15 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #13 Sharmuta

The word "goober" comes to mind.

The attorneys representing goobers around the global are on Line 1.

16 gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:40am

tick...tick...tick...

17 Code Red 21  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:56am

Maybe Glen's turning into to another raving lunatic namely, Keith Olbermann.

18 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:58am

Global. Globe.

19 wiffersnapper  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:55:58am

I'm waiting for Beck to flip out like Howard Dean did in 2004. BYAAAH!

20 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:56:22am

i'm fairly confident that watching his show constitutes torture, and that he's a ticking bomb.

21 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #13 Sharmuta

The word "goober" comes to mind.

twaddling prat has a certain ring to it

22 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:57:46am

I'm coming to hate pundits.

23 redc1c4  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:58:45am

poor Glen: the assassins already got his talent...

24 DistantThunder  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:58:50am

I'm listening to a GM dealer talk about the fact that once the 4000 dealers are "fired" by GM, they have the foreign dealers already lining up begging them to be dealers. Makes sense.

25 Tumulus11  Fri, May 15, 2009 9:59:30am

. A cry for help. Mr. Beck may report a mysterious attack at the airport a la Morton Downey Jr.

26 Vanderleun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:00:28am

Well, in all fairness, the quote assigned to his "suicide" moment

("Do you see yourself there at all? Have you ever been there? I’ve been there.")

merely states the obvious. Seems to me that many, many people (perhaps even the majority) after they get a decent way down the road in life, have all experienced moments in their lives when that thought occurs to them.

I suspect the thought, not the attempt, is pretty much a universal if the inner life of people were known.

27 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:00:44am

Oy vey, recommending mental health gulags for tv personalities you disagree with, very socialist republic.

Yesterday's 3rd in line to the Presidency Nancy Pelosi's manic paranoid schizophrenic act was the craziest real act I've seen in years, after Baghdad Bob. But I'm not recommending she go to the insane asylum.

28 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:01:43am

re: #19 wiffersnapper

I'm waiting for Beck to flip out like Howard Dean did in 2004. BYAAAH!

* * * *
Howard Dean raised most of the money to elect Barack Obama and democrats, so Dr. Dean the manic, had the last laugh.

29 Danny  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:01:59am

Methinks Mr. Beck likes to hear the sound of his own voice.

30 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:02:17am

re: #11 redc1c4

i suspect medication non-compliance.

This is a two-fer.

(Happy Birthday, Chris!)

31 StillAMarine  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:02:38am

Beck's greatest fear shouldn't be suicide, assassins, or the like. He should be truly concerned about going so far off the deep end (while holding an anvil) that he will never recover.

32 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:00am

And this rhetoric...

The fact is- we could audit every agency that takes federal money and be outraged. Without even discussing where federal money goes, there is a fundamental problem with the spending mechanism when these agencies must comply with spending every cent of the money to guarantee funding in the next budget. To get outraged about ACORN is to miss the large picture. These spending practices are part of the infrastructure.

We need real spending reform.

33 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:07am

In this creepy video Beck recorded after his hemorrhoid operation "gone horribly awry," he says he's "full-fledged suicidal:"

34 Randall Gross  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:13am

re: #27 alegrias

Who recommended that except for you?

35 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:14am

I have been as critical of this man as anyone on this board. But do you have any doubts that he has received death threats from leftist swine and islamonazis?

36 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:04:20am

re: #31 StillAMarine

Beck's greatest fear shouldn't be suicide, assassins, or the like. He should be truly concerned about going so far off the deep end (while holding an anvil) that he will never recover.

* * * *
People, the tv guy's making millions. He can recover his health and still have millions left over.

37 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:05:15am

re: #33 Charles

He's in desperate need of a check up from the neck up.

38 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:05:28am

Glenn Beck is a woman.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #27 alegrias

Oy vey, recommending mental health gulags for tv personalities you disagree with, very socialist republic.

What the hell are you talking about?

40 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:05:48am

he's right abt. one thing.
acorn really needs to be scrutinized.
it's cult.

41 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #33 Charles

He needs some serious help. I'd suggest anywhere with padded walls.

42 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:06:35am

re: #38 Capitalist Tool

Glenn Beck is a woman.

no,
he's 50 yr. old teenage boy.

43 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:06:52am

re: #27 alegrias

Have you seen Beck recently? He's certifiably nuts.

44 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:06:55am

re: #42 nyc redneck

no,
he's 50 yr. old teenage boy.


Apologies to women...

45 hellosnackbar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:07:22am

The only thing Rupert Murdoch is interested in is whether Beck's ratings are good?
If his apparent popularity starts to drop, then Murdoch will drop him.
Otherwise he doesn't interfere.

46 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:07:24am

IMO Glenn resorts to tongue in cheek and hyperbole too frequently. Other than that he's not any more unbalanced than the average cable news comedian.

47 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:07:24am

re: #27 alegrias

Oy vey, recommending mental health gulags for tv personalities you disagree with, very socialist republic.

Yesterday's 3rd in line to the Presidency Nancy Pelosi's manic paranoid schizophrenic act was the craziest real act I've seen in years, after Baghdad Bob. But I'm not recommending she go to the insane asylum.

She does seriously need some sort of mental health screening if she thinks anyone believed that rant.

48 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:08:02am

re: #44 Capitalist Tool

Apologies to women...

no problem,
i understand where you were coming from w/ that.

49 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:08:48am

re: #33 Charles

I think Beck's suicide meme crops up every once and a while (and i wonder if it's not due to the fact that his mother committed suicide, and I don't think Beck has ever - fully - recovered from it...just my opinion).

50 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:08:49am

re: #44 Capitalist Tool

Apologies to women...

Don't get started with that, it sets a bad precedent. /ducks

51 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:09:02am

re: #33 Charles

In this creepy video Beck recorded after his hemorrhoid operation "gone horribly awry," he says he's "full-fledged suicidal:"

Youtube Video

Fact-check his butt!

52 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:09:08am

re: #33 Charles

He's either an extremely talented and innovative actor or ...

/my money's on the "or"

53 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:09:13am

re: #24 DistantThunder

I'm listening to a GM dealer talk about the fact that once the 4000 dealers are "fired" by GM, they have the foreign dealers already lining up begging them to be dealers. Makes sense.

There's only 1,100 dealers that GM will be terminating contracts with when these contracts run out. As for foreign automakers lining up? BWAHAHAHA! Good luck. Most of them already have the dealers they want. GM is looking to get rid of the bottom of the barrel, the ones no one should want as a dealer.

54 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:09:46am

re: #40 nyc redneck

he's right abt. one thing.
acorn really needs to be scrutinized.
it's cult.

Won't loons such as Beck going on and on about them give them some credibility?

55 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:11:36am

Does Beck do his webcasts live?
I have no idea -- I doubt it, but I'm just askin'

/yes, there sure as hell IS a reason for the question

56 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:11:39am

re: #49 J.S.

I think Beck's suicide meme crops up every once and a while (and i wonder if it's not due to the fact that his mother committed suicide, and I don't think Beck has ever - fully - recovered from it...just my opinion).

Hmmm. Now I pity him. I think he should get some help.

57 Ben Hur  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:11:55am

I'm not surprised he's worried.

58 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:13:27am

re: #56 Sharmuta

I agree. He needs help. (I recall that he once said that it was his mother's suicide which drove him to alcohol -- used it as a way to forget).

59 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:13:29am

re: #54 MandyManners

Won't loons such as Beck going on and on about them give them some credibility?

Hi Mandy! That's an interesting point. Often, Beck will have interesting guests (e.g. CEO of GM, John Bolton, a number of different economists) whose opinions/positions I really find interesting. Unfortunately, I can see where the opposition would make the point (logical or not) that if a) Beck is a loon, and b) these people are willing to appear on his program, then c) these folks must be loons as well.

I really, really miss William F. Buckley Jr.

60 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:14:14am
hemorrhoid operation "gone horribly awry,"

The surgeon accidentally nicked some gray matter?

61 itellu3times  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:14:18am

re: #24 DistantThunder

I'm listening to a GM dealer talk about the fact that once the 4000 dealers are "fired" by GM, they have the foreign dealers already lining up begging them to be dealers. Makes sense.

I totally do not understand what the benefit is supposed to be of closing independent dealers.

62 Rancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:14:27am

re: #55 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Does Beck do his webcasts live?
I have no idea -- I doubt it, but I'm just askin'

/yes, there sure as hell IS a reason for the question


Want to know the time and the place?

63 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #54 MandyManners

Won't loons such as Beck going on and on about them give them some credibility?

That is a good point. The loony left and loony right lend credence to each others paranoid rants while the MSM laps it up and regurgitates it at a margin.

64 avanti  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:14:46am

re: #24 DistantThunder

I'm listening to a GM dealer talk about the fact that once the 4000 dealers are "fired" by GM, they have the foreign dealers already lining up begging them to be dealers. Makes sense.

The reason the American dealers are being cut is they have 4-6 times as many based on sales volume compared to the imports. Too many unprofitable dealers selling 2-3 new car a week.
Like the big box stores domination of retail sales, the same will happen with car dealers, one mega dealer in a town instead of 4 little ones.

65 nyc redneck  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:14:57am

re: #54 MandyManners

Won't loons such as Beck going on and on about them give them some credibility?

no,
the message abt. acorn is bigger than the messenger.
the terminology from former acorn members who said they didn't lose their jobs,
they were "dissolved".
that is creepy. no matter who delivers the info.

66 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:15:08am

Another quote from that November radio show:

This is why I didn't kill myself, and I'm ashamed to say it but it was cowardess [sic] that saved my life. I was afraid of the pain. I was afraid of putting the gun in my mouth. I couldn't throw myself off a roof. That would freak me out. If I could have just gone to sleep. I don't know why I was too stupid to think of ODing on something, but I guess I was doing it in a way with all of the alcohol.

67 Rancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:15:09am

re: #61 itellu3times

I totally do not understand what the benefit is supposed to be of closing independent dealers.

Too many.

68 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:15:37am

Assassins? Like in "Mortal Kombat"?

/frawress victory!

/finish him!

69 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:15:38am

He's a recovering alcoholic and heroin addict... It does not surprise me that he has had suicidal thoughts...

And regarding the ACORN thingy, he has had on the ACORN whistleblowers the last few days so it doesn't surprise me he's looking over his shoulder...

70 Ben Hur  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:16:30am
71 Rancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #69 tfc3rid

He's a recovering alcoholic and heroin addict... It does not surprise me that he has had suicidal thoughts...

And regarding the ACORN thingy, he has had on the ACORN whistleblowers the last few days so it doesn't surprise me he's looking over his shoulder...


Lots of money involved here...

72 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:16:49am

re: #59 subsailor68

I really, really miss William F. Buckley Jr.

That's the fundamental challenge with the 'big tent' - too many of those who belong on the fringe get inside. Unfortunately, there are not enough of those like Mr. Buckley who are willing to police the conservative movement of the fringe.

73 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:17:35am

Just because he acts like a paranoid freakazoid, that doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get him...

74 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:17:35am

Glenn Beck eating breakfast.

"Honey, my cereal is spelling out a messages! Its saying OOO!"

"Glen, those are cheerios."

75 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:18:05am

He doesn't need to worry about ACORN. They would just kill four other people with similar names.

/

76 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:18:11am

It's a little disturbing that his employer isn't concerned about him.

77 hellosnackbar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:18:12am

Re #33 Charles,
Creepy indeed!
An arsehole making a melodrama out of his sore arsehole!

78 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:18:23am

re: #61 itellu3times

I totally do not understand what the benefit is supposed to be of closing independent dealers.

They have way too many dealers. It's a legacy of a time when we had smaller towns and no freeways. GM decided to have dealers in every little town, and then also decided to have dealers for each brand. My home town at one time had a dealer for each Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, and Cadillac at the same time.

79 Danny  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:18:26am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

80 DistantThunder  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:19:27am

There was the Freddie Mac CEO suicide, and I thought there was another one recently...

81 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:19:31am

re: #56 Sharmuta

btw, another thing which I noted (and found rather annoying to say the least) was back when Beck was on CNN Headline News -- he kept featuring this so-called "psychic" (who communicated with the dead) -- yeah, as if we don't know who it was Beck was interested in "communicating" with...(...sigh...)

82 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:19:39am

I am interested in someone from the media scrutinizing Acorn's activities. I would prefer if that "someone" had some general credibility. Glenn Beck lacks much credibility because he is an obvious nut case. However, I not that much interested in whether Glenn Beck is suicidal, or not, or lying about being suicidal, or not. I would appear to me that he is discussing suicidal feelings for some dramatic emphasis. Rupert Murdock should replace Glenn Beck with someone who is less kooky.

83 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:19:47am

He is a former hop-head?!

84 DistantThunder  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:19:57am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn Beck eating breakfast.

"Honey, my cereal is spelling out a messages! Its saying OOO!"

"Glen, those are cheerios."

LOL

85 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:20:11am

re: #80 DistantThunder

There was the Freddie Mac CEO suicide, and I thought there was another one recently...

I think one of the dudes who was part and parcel to MAdoff.

86 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:20:47am

However entertaining Beck is at least he is bringing attention to ACORN and keeping it in the public spotlight where it so desperately needs to be and with any luck many of these ACORN people will go to jail and the whole complex organization will run for cover.

87 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:20:48am

re: #64 avanti

The reason the American dealers are being cut is they have 4-6 times as many based on sales volume compared to the imports. Too many unprofitable dealers selling 2-3 new car a week.
Like the big box stores domination of retail sales, the same will happen with car dealers, one mega dealer in a town instead of 4 little ones.

We have a dealer here in southeast CT that was selling over 1,000 cars a quarter and is now selling under 250 quarterly and they are on the closing list. I can't see the logic of closing a car dealer that was selling over a thousand cars every 3 months when the economy was OK. Seriously, what sort of volume are these guys looking for in todays economy?

88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:20:55am

re: #62 Rancher

Want to know the time and the place?

Well ... uh ... (if the answer to my question is yes) ... BECK just might want us to know that.

/if he's as deranged as he appears, anything just might be possible

89 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:21:16am

re: #81 J.S. At least he's made progress from dealing with those who communicate with the dead to those who help them vote. /

90 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:21:18am

re: #22 Sharmuta

I'm coming to hate pundits.

I've hated the whole idea of television punditry since it was born. They never reported the news, only opined on it with selective culling of facts. Now the standard is to BE the news.

And enough people think this is a good trend?!? Might as well have Jerry Springer or Oprah "do" the news.

91 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:21:24am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn Beck eating breakfast.

"Honey, my cereal is spelling out a messages! Its saying OOO!"

"Glen, those are cheerios."

"It is not a message obligating you to moan."

92 snowcrash  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:21:37am

Using the post op video is unnecessary. There is more than enough ammo out there to prove your point. Beck clearly had an unfavorable response to his anesthesia and inability to get pain relief from his meds.(probably extremely low pain tolerance due to his history of substance abuse). That said, the guy really shouldn't do a bedside interview when he is in such a fragile mental state. Unshaven and teary eyed isn't helpful.

93 avanti  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:21:49am

re: #61 itellu3times

I totally do not understand what the benefit is supposed to be of closing independent dealers.

I can tell you from the failure of Studebaker decades ago. A small dealer back then might be a converted service station with maybe one car and one truck on display and they'd factory order most sales. It was much more expensive to support 2000 small to medium sized dealers compared to say 500 big ones. I have letters from Studebaker in my collection, begging small dealers to display a convertible, or maybe even a sports car, but they were too small to support the entire line.
It's the same for GM, the big dealers may stock several 100 of one model, so the customer can pick color and equipment off the lot, the small one, maybe a half dozen.
It's all about economies of scale.

94 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:22:02am

On the GM issue, who is making the call which dealerships to close? GM or the Government (I know they are one and the same now...)...

95 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #86 Miss Molly

However entertaining Beck is at least he is bringing attention to ACORN and keeping it in the public spotlight where it so desperately needs to be and with any luck many of these ACORN people will go to jail and the whole complex organization will run for cover.

But it's not just ACORN. There are hundreds of agencies that take federal money- all of them would probably make you see red at the waste of our money.

96 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:22:46am

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

I've hated the whole idea of television punditry since it was born. They never reported the news, only opined on it with selective culling of facts. Now the standard is to BE the news.

And enough people think this is a good trend?!? Might as well have Jerry Springer or Oprah "do" the news.

Why not both simultaneously?

97 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:22:51am

re: #83 MandyManners

I haven't heard about any heroin addiction...only that he was an alcoholic.

98 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:23:12am

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

"It is not a message obligating you to moan."

"Quite, its my contact is telling me who shot Kennedy now!"

"Thats nice dear, but try and save some of the Rice Krispies for the kids breakfast, okay?"

99 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #93 avanti

I can tell you from the failure of Studebaker decades ago. A small dealer back then might be a converted service station with maybe one car and one truck on display and they'd factory order most sales. It was much more expensive to support 2000 small to medium sized dealers compared to say 500 big ones. I have letters from Studebaker in my collection, begging small dealers to display a convertible, or maybe even a sports car, but they were too small to support the entire line.
It's the same for GM, the big dealers may stock several 100 of one model, so the customer can pick color and equipment off the lot, the small one, maybe a half dozen.
It's all about economies of scale.

Nobody here gives a shit about your tchochka collection.

100 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:23:28am

re: #95 Sharmuta

But it's not just ACORN. There are hundreds of agencies that take federal money- all of them would probably make you see red at the waste of our money.

But ACORN is intimately involved in election fraud and will likely have a great deal of gravitas in the Census...

It's a big story.

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:23:34am

And now some not pundit-centered, actual news:

Shuttle snapped up against sun

So very cool!

102 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:23:43am

No. 69.

103 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #89 DaddyG

oh boy, good one...lol

104 wrenchwench  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:24:13am

re: #26 Vanderleun

Well, in all fairness, the quote assigned to his "suicide" moment

("Do you see yourself there at all? Have you ever been there? I’ve been there.")

merely states the obvious. Seems to me that many, many people (perhaps even the majority) after they get a decent way down the road in life, have all experienced moments in their lives when that thought occurs to them.

I suspect the thought, not the attempt, is pretty much a universal if the inner life of people were known.

Now we gotta keep an eye on you, too.

/

105 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:24:28am

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

I've hated the whole idea of television punditry since it was born. They never reported the news, only opined on it with selective culling of facts. Now the standard is to BE the news.

And enough people think this is a good trend?!? Might as well have Jerry Springer or Oprah "do" the news.

Spot on.

106 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:25:17am

re: #96 MandyManners

Why not both simultaneously?

In a way they might actually elevate the standards of TV Punditry. Beck is a total maroon.

107 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:25:20am

If Glenn Beck were abducted by aliens, do you think they would have a hard time figuring out where to stick the probe?

108 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:26:09am

re: #64 avanti

The reason the American dealers are being cut is they have 4-6 times as many based on sales volume compared to the imports. Too many unprofitable dealers selling 2-3 new car a week.
Like the big box stores domination of retail sales, the same will happen with car dealers, one mega dealer in a town instead of 4 little ones.

So, economic darwinism isn't acceptable - or leveraging economies of scale and efficiencies to ultimately offer more competitive prices for the consumer? Instead, the weak and those unable to compete need to be maintained - for what reason again?

I've looked through the Chrysler list and recognized some relatively large dealerships that are losing their franchises. One Van Nuys, CA based dealership went from selling an average of 300 cars a month to about 35-40 per month after the CA tax increases - and that is before the massive increase coming later this month in vehicle license fees. Another Green Brook, NJ dealer on the list was, when I used to live in NJ, a very large and successful dealership.

109 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:26:16am

re: #69 tfc3rid

He's a recovering alcoholic and heroin addict... It does not surprise me that he has had suicidal thoughts...

And regarding the ACORN thingy, he has had on the ACORN whistleblowers the last few days so it doesn't surprise me he's looking over his shoulder...

Do you have a link for the bit about heroin addiction?

110 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #102 MandyManners

No. 69.

I know he was a drug addict as well... I think I recall him saying it was heroin...

111 Skaught  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:26:46am

So if you were suicidal in your past, you're forever suicidal?

112 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #100 tfc3rid

But ACORN is intimately involved in election fraud and will likely have a great deal of gravitas in the Census...

It's a big story.

It's the states that should be correcting voter fraud with ID checks. Investigate it all you want, but this isn't an exclusive problem to ACORN. The solution is to reform the spending mechanisms in Congress.

113 zeebeach  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:27:12am

re: #26 Vanderleun

Well, in all fairness, the quote assigned to his "suicide" moment

("Do you see yourself there at all? Have you ever been there? I’ve been there.")

merely states the obvious. Seems to me that many, many people (perhaps even the majority) after they get a decent way down the road in life, have all experienced moments in their lives when that thought occurs to them.

I suspect the thought, not the attempt, is pretty much a universal if the inner life of people were known.

How dare you attempt to understand something uttered by Glen Beck! You obviously are not getting the LGF memo regarding "how we feel about this guy".

114 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #99 Alouette

Nobody here gives a shit about your tchochka collection.

I nosh what you're plotzing with that schtick.

115 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:27:42am

re: #109 MandyManners

Do you have a link for the bit about heroin addiction?

I know on his website he talks about his alcohol and drug addiction but does not specify the drug of choice.

116 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #112 Sharmuta

It's the states that should be correcting voter fraud with ID checks. Investigate it all you want, but this isn't an exclusive problem to ACORN. The solution is to reform the spending mechanisms in Congress.

It's subversive to our electoral process to not check ID when you go to vote...

117 J.S.  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:28:27am

re: #115 tfc3rid

Was it pain killers of some sort?

118 avanti  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #94 tfc3rid

On the GM issue, who is making the call which dealerships to close? GM or the Government (I know they are one and the same now...)...

GM is, they are trying to reduce their marginal dealers to save money. They scored all their dealers a few weeks back. They used sales volume, service departments, credit rating, and customer satisfaction. If you scored below a certain level, they might be cut.

119 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #113 zeebeach

How dare you attempt to understand something uttered by Glen Beck! You obviously are not getting the LGF memo regarding "how we feel about this guy".

Believe it or not, you're allowed to have your own opinions. Even when they're stupid.

120 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:29:39am

Sharmuta -- I know there are tons of other groups the federal gov't is wasting money on. The thing that worries me so much about ACORN is the electoral fraud the commit and intentionaly creating chaos in elections by overwhelming States with phony voter registrations knowing that the States can't check them all out. Their only reason for existence is to steal elections.

If we can only get rid of one group at a time I would like ACORN to be the first to go.

121 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:30:00am

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If Glenn Beck were abducted by aliens, do you think they would have a hard time figuring out where to stick the probe?

I think they'd give him his own TV show.

122 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:30:18am

re: #108 Athos

So, economic darwinism isn't acceptable - or leveraging economies of scale and efficiencies to ultimately offer more competitive prices for the consumer? Instead, the weak and those unable to compete need to be maintained - for what reason again?

I've looked through the Chrysler list and recognized some relatively large dealerships that are losing their franchises. One Van Nuys, CA based dealership went from selling an average of 300 cars a month to about 35-40 per month after the CA tax increases - and that is before the massive increase coming later this month in vehicle license fees. Another Green Brook, NJ dealer on the list was, when I used to live in NJ, a very large and successful dealership.

I wonder if the dealers on the list are the ones doing well and getting the best dealer incentives (discounts); thus costing GM the most?
Unfortunately for GM, they probably get those discounts because they sell a lot. The remaining dealers will still have to compete with the foreign car dealers, but their higher costs will make their cars less of a good buy, causing GM to lose even more business.

123 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:30:27am

OT -

Bob Lutz will be on Letterman next week, to rip him a new one regarding the Chevy Volt.

Bob Lutz will appear on Letterman next week to refute Volt claims

124 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #116 tfc3rid

It's subversive to our electoral process to not check ID when you go to vote...

And it's a state issue. There should be more of an effort to push for these sorts of laws in the various states.

125 zeebeach  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:30:59am

re: #119 Charles

How fortunate, huh?

126 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:31:00am

re: #96 MandyManners

Why not both simultaneously?

Chair fights and bags of chicken fat on the same stage would constitute a safety hazard.

127 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:31:03am

Do I sense less alegrias here than usual?

128 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:32:02am

re: #123 Ward Cleaver

OT -

Bob Lutz will be on Letterman next week, to rip him a new one regarding the Chevy Volt.

Bob Lutz will appear on Letterman next week to refute Volt claims


Where will we get the electric power to charge all of these future electric cars? Which auto makers will survive to buid these cars?

129 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:32:59am

I think we should also consider temporary finger dye like in Iraq to prevent voter fraud. The "I Voted!" stickers aren't effective.

130 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #120 Miss Molly

Sharmuta -- I know there are tons of other groups the federal gov't is wasting money on. The thing that worries me so much about ACORN is the electoral fraud the commit and intentionaly creating chaos in elections by overwhelming States with phony voter registrations knowing that the States can't check them all out. Their only reason for existence is to steal elections.

If we can only get rid of one group at a time I would like ACORN to be the first to go.

I have to agree. It is not a secret that ACORN is under investigation in at least 13 states for election fraud. So by using logic, one can conclude that the US government is either complicit in alleged voter fraud or accepts voter fraud as part of the election process.

Either argument is sickening to me.

131 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:33:41am

Sharmuta --Do you really believe somelike Nancy Pelosi wants to change spending in the Congress? She doesn't care how much election fraud is involved or how much it costs as long as the Dem's win.

132 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:33:45am

re: #128 Capitalist Tool

Where will we get the electric power to charge all of these future electric cars? Which auto makers will survive to buid these cars?

There won't be anyone to buy them anyone. Get out of college, go to work for free. Unicorns and rainbows, la la la.

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #124 Sharmuta

And it's a state issue. There should be more of an effort to push for these sorts of laws in the various states.

So much that is problems and controversies these days should be resolved at the state level. The federal government is becoming a tyranny by abrogating the Constitutional limits on its power, and the states are willing partners in their emasculation.

134 gymmom  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:06am

I have been reading here about the "extreme" right being a problem and well, too extreme. But besides here, I hadn't heard much. (mostly because of my avoidance of most media) Today I was listening to Bill Bennett who had a guest host. Someone called in and said they are glad the constitution contains the 2nd amendment and the right to violently overthrow the government. The guest host didn't disagree. Now I know what you mean and it saddens me.

135 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #119 Charles

Believe it or not, you're allowed to have your own opinions. Even when they're stupid.

Morning Charles! Yep. But what I really appreciate about LGF is the concept Daniel Patrick Moynihan (IIRC) voiced:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.

136 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #129 Sharmuta

I think we should also consider temporary finger dye like in Iraq to prevent voter fraud. The "I Voted!" stickers aren't effective.

I'd love to vote with my middle finger...

137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:19am

re: #129 Sharmuta

I think we should also consider temporary finger dye like in Iraq to prevent voter fraud. The "I Voted!" stickers aren't effective.

Also, water-soluble paint for headstones, which could be washed off the next day by the groundskeepers.

/

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #129 Sharmuta

I think we should also consider temporary finger dye like in Iraq to prevent voter fraud. The "I Voted!" stickers aren't effective.

Too many groups, not just ACORN, wouldn't allow it. They wouldn't allow accountability so they can get their agenda furthered.

139 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

So much that is problems and controversies these days should be resolved at the state level. The federal government is becoming a tyranny by abrogating the Constitutional limits on its power, and the states are willing partners in their emasculation.

Texas, Montana, and Oklahoma have begun making noise about the Federal government usurping their powers. Obama wanted to be Lincoln.

140 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:57am

re: #131 Miss Molly

Sharmuta --Do you really believe somelike Nancy Pelosi wants to change spending in the Congress? She doesn't care how much election fraud is involved or how much it costs as long as the Dem's win.

I know the democrats don't want to reform spending. They're not my problem so much as republicans who likewise don't want to change the system. I think they all need to go, and be replaced with people who will get the job done and fix the fiscal hemorrhaging in Washington.

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #135 subsailor68

Morning Charles! Yep. But what I really appreciate about LGF is the concept Daniel Patrick Moynihan (IIRC) voiced:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.

Amen!

142 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:36:13am

re: #132 kansas

There won't be anyone to buy them anyone. Get out of college, go to work for free. Unicorns and rainbows, la la la.


From each according to their abilities. To each according to their needs... i.e.

Milk 'em for all they're worth and then sit back and party down!

143 lawhawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #128 Capitalist Tool

It's a mystery to anyone paying attention because we're already straining the power grid with our current power usage (and we might get an extra year or so because of the recession dampening demand on power), but once the recovery kicks in, usage will once again soar as more power demands are placed on the grid.

Smart power grids are only smart if there's power behind them. No new power plants that can handle the demand makes a big problem.

It doesn't matter what kind of power generation you're talking about either. The NIMBYots are busy trying to thwart all of them. Nuclear is the best option if you are a true believer in global warming (or just want lower emissions generally), since it doesn't have the downtime that wind, solar, tidal, or hydro can have.

144 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:36:38am

re: #120 Miss Molly

...The thing that worries me so much about ACORN is the electoral fraud the commit and intentionaly creating chaos in elections by overwhelming States with phony voter registrations knowing that the States can't check them all out. Their only reason for existence is to steal elections.

They also target populated urban areas where they can turn elections where lots of electoral votes are in play and use race and socio-economic status as a cover for their activities. Scary stuff.

145 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:37:42am

re: #129 Sharmuta

I think we should also consider temporary finger dye like in Iraq to prevent voter fraud. The "I Voted!" stickers aren't effective.

Stricter absentee ballot laws would help too.

146 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:37:45am

Meh. I don't understand all the Glenn hate. He's a goof, that's for sure. But I can't really disagree with most of his stances. Case in point:

The Republicans are taking us to the same place the Democrats are... just not as quickly. (Train ride or jet flight to Hell, take your pick. Frakkin' progressives...))

ACORN needs to be investigated...(Easy one there, they are working to get only Libtard Democrats elected...Which is fine, except they are doing that with my tax dollars...)

Saying you want a group like ACORN investigated (a group linked to unions and a rather arrogant liberal President in office) that is set to get billions of tax dollars would make me look over my shoulder a bit too. But maybe that's just me...

That the United Nations is corrupt and ineffective...oooh yeah, that's really far off of the mark...

If you actually listen to his message, he makes a heck of a lot more sense than little Keithy or 'Tingle' Matthews...

But if Glenn isn't your cup of tea, then I don't know...maybe change the channel?

147 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:38:53am

re: #99 Alouette

Nobody here gives a shit about your tchochka collection.

That wasn't very nice. Up ding!

148 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:39:20am

re: #142 Capitalist Tool

From each according to their abilities. To each according to their needs... i.e.

Milk 'em for all they're worth and then sit back and party down!

Dude, got any of that $100 steak? Day in an day out with this guy. It never stops. What happened to make a plan, then work it for a while? Here it's bounce from one plan to the next. Somebody needs to give Obama his Ritalin.

149 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:39:43am

Sharmuta -- I have to agree with you that both Democrats and Republicans are loth to change the spending of Congress or for that matter change much of anything of their status quo. I would love to have some people with common sense manage Congress .

150 Rancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:39:48am

OT-Andrew C. McCarthy at NRO sums up nicely the job Holder's Justice Department has been doing so far:

Is there any more important context crying out for transparency than a Justice Department misstep that could have cost American lives?

This misstep, it is worth remembering, does not occur in a vacuum. President Obama has stocked his Justice Department with lawyers who have spent (or whose firms have spent) the last eight years volunteering their services to America’s enemies. This includes Attorney General Holder himself, whose former firm’s website continues to brag about representing 18 alien enemy combatants and about attacking the validity of the Bush-era military commissions. (Those would be the same commissions that President Obama suddenly decided aren’t so bad after all, according to the administration’s most recent Friday Night Bad News Dump.)

It can be no coincidence that, with this DOJ team in place, we’ve already seen: the premature announcement of the closure of Guantánamo Bay, when there was clearly no plan for what to do about the detainees; the outright release of Binyam Mohammed, who plotted with “Dirty Bomber” Jose Padilla to attack American cities; the purging of the terms “enemy combatant” and “war”; the release of the CIA memos over the strenuous objection of the intelligence community, and in a shamefully dishonest manner that revealed interrogation tactics but suppressed from public view the life-saving information the tactics yielded; the announcement of an investigation of Bush-administration lawyers and the leaking of information from the related ethics probe; AG Holder’s under-the-radar suggestion that he’d cooperate with Spain’s investigation of Bush administration officials; the sweetheart plea deal for Ali al-Marri (a terrorist who, like Binyam Mohammed, was planning to conduct a post-9/11 second wave of mass-murder attacks in the U.S.); the plan to release trained terrorists in the U.S. in violation of federal immigration law (to say nothing of common sense); and, now, the decision to release the prisoner-abuse photos that the president, thankfully, has rescinded. That’s quite a track record in just a hundred days. There is palpable ground for concern that DOJ decisions are not being made with the best interests of American national security in mind.


Here's the link.

151 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:40:19am

re: #129 Sharmuta

I think we should also consider temporary finger dye like in Iraq to prevent voter fraud. The "I Voted!" stickers aren't effective.

Those aren't for poll workers to determine who voted. More often than not they are a reward for kids who sit quietly for mom to finish voting and a badge of pride for patriotic voters.

The Diebold system in Georgia that contains the entire voter registration list for all districts combined with a photo ID requirement works very well.

152 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:40:22am

By the way, I've been following the ACORN stories for months, and so far I haven't seen any REAL evidence that they were engaged in systematic voter fraud. If anyone is aware of a Justice Department investigation that supports all of the allegations, please enlighten me. I haven't seen it. But I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated charges that always seem to vanish without much fanfare.

153 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #143 lawhawk

It's a mystery to anyone paying attention because we're already straining the power grid with our current power usage (and we might get an extra year or so because of the recession dampening demand on power), but once the recovery kicks in, usage will once again soar as more power demands are placed on the grid.

Smart power grids are only smart if there's power behind them. No new power plants that can handle the demand makes a big problem.

It doesn't matter what kind of power generation you're talking about either. The NIMBYots are busy trying to thwart all of them. Nuclear is the best option if you are a true believer in global warming (or just want lower emissions generally), since it doesn't have the downtime that wind, solar, tidal, or hydro can have.


Small local plants at grid- end, i.e. where demand exceeds supply, such as in city industrial zones make a great deal of sense. The compact research- class nukes now being manufactured and deployed make a lot of sense... that's why the mfg's of same have orders backed up for the foreseeable future.

154 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #146 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch



But if Glenn isn't your cup of tea, then I don't know...maybe change the channel?

I suggest Olbermann for a refreshing breath of fresh flatulence.

155 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:41:37am

re: #149 Miss Molly

Sharmuta -- I have to agree with you that both Democrats and Republicans are loth to change the spending of Congress or for that matter change much of anything of their status quo. I would love to have some people with common sense manage Congress .

Now he's making speeches about how we can't support this deficit spending.
Who'd a thunk it.

156 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:41:41am

re: #146 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

Meh. I don't understand all the Glenn hate. He's a goof, that's for sure. But I can't really disagree with most of his stances. Case in point:

The Republicans are taking us to the same place the Democrats are... just not as quickly. (Train ride or jet flight to Hell, take your pick. Frakkin' progressives...))

ACORN needs to be investigated...(Easy one there, they are working to get only Libtard Democrats elected...Which is fine, except they are doing that with my tax dollars...)

Saying you want a group like ACORN investigated (a group linked to unions and a rather arrogant liberal President in office) that is set to get billions of tax dollars would make me look over my shoulder a bit too. But maybe that's just me...

That the United Nations is corrupt and ineffective...oooh yeah, that's really far off of the mark...

If you actually listen to his message, he makes a heck of a lot more sense than little Keithy or 'Tingle' Matthews...

But if Glenn isn't your cup of tea, then I don't know...maybe change the channel?

How about he is a major visible figure and talking head for the GOP and he's nuts. That may have something to do with it. If that is the kind of representation you prefer, then maybe you need to change your blog.

157 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #131 Miss Molly

Sharmuta --Do you really believe somelike Nancy Pelosi wants to change spending in the Congress? She doesn't care how much election fraud is involved or how much it costs as long as the Dem's win.

The Dems are not the stumbling block to reform, they have always been intent on doing whatever it takes to gain/retain power. The Republicans and their lurch to being Dem Lite is the recent road blockage.

It was 1994 and the Contract with America, the Rs campaigned on FISCAL conservatism and won handily. 2006 and the R majority had been trying to outspend the Dems for a number of years. 2008 was only about the direction of increased government spending.

158 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #149 Miss Molly

Sharmuta -- I have to agree with you that both Democrats and Republicans are loth to change the spending of Congress or for that matter change much of anything of their status quo. I would love to have some people with common sense manage Congress .

It's not going to happen if we don't demand it. We have to hold these people accountable.

159 Vanderleun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:42:47am

re: #119 Charles

Believe it or not, you're allowed to have your own opinions. Even when they're stupid.

Stop with the straight lines already.

160 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:43:00am

re: #152 Charles

By the way, I've been following the ACORN stories for months, and so far I haven't seen any REAL evidence that they were engaged in systematic voter fraud. If anyone is aware of a Justice Department investigation that supports all of the allegations, please enlighten me. I haven't seen it. But I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated charges that always seem to vanish without much fanfare.

Oh, probably speak to Corsi, he's got everything in the world on Obama and all the others./

161 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:43:14am

re: #128 Capitalist Tool

Where will we get the electric power to charge all of these future electric cars? Which auto makers will survive to buid these cars?

Power plants run with fossil fuels. But how does this reduce our depen...oh, never mind.

162 doppelganglander  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #92 snowcrash

Using the post op video is unnecessary. There is more than enough ammo out there to prove your point. Beck clearly had an unfavorable response to his anesthesia and inability to get pain relief from his meds.(probably extremely low pain tolerance due to his history of substance abuse). That said, the guy really shouldn't do a bedside interview when he is in such a fragile mental state. Unshaven and teary eyed isn't helpful.

I've never understood why he released that video. It's heartbreaking to watch, and I don't even like the guy.

163 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:44:10am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

How about he is a major visible figure and talking head for the GOP and he's nuts. That may have something to do with it. If that is the kind of representation you prefer, then maybe you need to change your blog.

I hear what you're saying but he makes it perfectly clear that he dislikes the motives and actions of Republicans as equally as Democrats... He's a Libertarian.

164 Rancher  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:44:38am

re: #128 Capitalist Tool

Where will we get the electric power to charge all of these future electric cars? Which auto makers will survive to buid these cars?

If charging your I-Pod kills a Polar Bear, what's charging your car going to do?

165 calcajun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:44:38am

Oh, Glenn. No one says anything bad about you...as far as you know.

166 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:44:39am

Score one for the home team, my City Council showed common sense

LA MESA REJECTS HATE-FREE RESOLUTION

La Mesa’s City Council voted unanimously to table a “Hate Free” resolution proposed by a coalition of 52 community groups countywide at a meeting Tuesday following heated and divisive public testimony.
...
Each Councilmember spoke out, and while all denounced hate crimes, Councilmembers unanimously expressed the view that the measure was not needed. Councilman Ernest Ewin said the issues raised by the resolution are “already covered by existing laws.” Councilwoman Ruth Sterling also expressed concern over Constitutional issues. “The Supreme Court has ruled that symbolic expression, whether swastikas, burning crosses or peace symbols, are protected speech,” she said. Councilman Mark Arapostathos, a teacher, said schools already promote acceptance, not hate.

Mayor Art Madrid said La Mesa has been a leader in battling hate, noting that the city introduced a human relations advisory committee many years ago and is committed to protecting the rights of all. He added that all members of the Council have received comments from people on both sides of the hate-free resolution who have taken a threatening tone with elected rerpesesnteds. “All of us got e-mails that said, `Support me or else.’”

Mayor Madrid concluded, “If there is one thing I’ve learned through the years, it’s that you cannot legislate common sense or morality.”

167 calcajun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:45:26am

re: #164 Rancher

If charging your I-Pod kills a Polar Bear, what's charging your car going to do?

Feed a village of starving Eskimos.

168 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:45:27am

re: #164 Rancher

If charging your I-Pod kills a Polar Bear, what's charging your car going to do?

Get me a white bear-skin rug?

169 Lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #152 Charles

All I've got is the first-hand experience of Acorn people collaring me on the street corner to "register to vote". When I told them I was already registered, they universally said something like "it doesn't matter, I just need to get paid!". There was a whole troupe of these Acorn-types that filled downtown for a month or two around the NC registration deadline. I'm sure many people filled out the form out of pity or just being sick of being harassed. That gives Acorn a falsely registered voter, at least. How that translates into actual fraudulent votes, I'm not sure. But it's nothing the taxpayers should be paying for.

170 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:45:37am

DaddyG -- You are so right -- ACORN is a scarey group and I'm not sure anyone has truely figured out who actually makes up ACORN and where to they get all their money to function. Urban areas are their biggest playground it seems because it is impossible to keep track of all the fraudulent registrations they turn out and most large cities don't seem to want to curb the fraud. I have no doubt Obama will want them to "work" on the census.

171 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:45:43am

re: #39 Charles

What the hell are you talking about?

* * *
Sorry, Charles, wrote a contrite apology--I'm not accusing anyone in particular- but my internet connection broke.

Mental health/substance issues are everywhere; many of us know people who suffer them, or suffer ourselves. We live in an age of anxiety and violence, and I hate that Zombie our beloved blogger or Glenn Beck to have to fear for their lives.

172 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:45:59am

ACORN is a symptom of a much deeper issue of federal spending. Investigating one agency won't stop problems like this. It's an infestation- you have to target the source.

173 LGoPs  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:46:17am

re: #54 MandyManners

Won't loons such as Beck going on and on about them give them some credibility?

I don't think so. At least he is talking about them and I certainly don't expect that from any of the rest of the MFM.

174 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:46:47am

re: #152 Charles

By the way, I've been following the ACORN stories for months, and so far I haven't seen any REAL evidence that they were engaged in systematic voter fraud. If anyone is aware of a Justice Department investigation that supports all of the allegations, please enlighten me. I haven't seen it. But I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated charges that always seem to vanish without much fanfare.

Yep again. If I remember correctly, all the investigations thus far are about alleged voter registration fraud (e.g. Nevada), NOT voter fraud. (Not to say that I may not have missed one, but I haven't see anything on actual voter fraud either.)

175 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #172 Sharmuta

ACORN is a symptom of a much deeper issue of federal spending. Investigating one agency won't stop problems like this. It's an infestation- you have to target the source.

Government Corruption is endemic.

176 calcajun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:47:00am

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, but from the same region, the City of Vista attempted to create a "Carrie Prejean Day". Mercifully, there was no one who would co-sponsor the resolution.

177 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:47:27am

re: #174 subsailor68

Yep again. If I remember correctly, all the investigations thus far are about alleged voter registration fraud (e.g. Nevada), NOT voter fraud. (Not to say that I may not have missed one, but I haven't see anything on actual voter fraud either.)

Registration fraud in PA as well (Pittsburgh area)...

178 Vanderleun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:47:28am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

How about he is a major visible figure and talking head for the GOP and he's nuts. That may have something to do with it. If that is the kind of representation you prefer, then maybe you need to change your blog.

Numero Uno Newton,
I'm not really sure that Beck presents himself as a talking head for the GOP. Not at all sure he identifies primarily as GOP.

Numero Two Newton,
Telling someone to move out is to soak in the mentality of a churl. It's the sort of "Love it or leave it" nonsense that was old around 1965. I'm sure you don't really mean that.

179 avanti  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:48:36am

re: #152 Charles

By the way, I've been following the ACORN stories for months, and so far I haven't seen any REAL evidence that they were engaged in systematic voter fraud. If anyone is aware of a Justice Department investigation that supports all of the allegations, please enlighten me. I haven't seen it. But I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated charges that always seem to vanish without much fanfare.

Good link on actual "voter fraud" not registration fraud. In investigations of voter fraud turned up less then a dozen per state and most were not from false registrations.

"It is more likely that an individual will
be struck by lightning than that he will
impersonate another voter at the polls."

fraud.

180 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:49:00am

re: #163 tfc3rid

I hear what you're saying but he makes it perfectly clear that he dislikes the motives and actions of Republicans as equally as Democrats... He's a Libertarian.

He's a nut, a Libertarian nut, a anti-republican nut, an anti-democrat nut, I don't care, I don't want anything to do with the shit he spouts.

And anyone that supports him is supporting a nut. If that's fine with someone, so be it. I prefer a little critical thinking skills with my coffee.

181 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:49:21am

re: #176 calcajun

Yeah, but from the same region, the City of Vista attempted to create a "Carrie Prejean Day". Mercifully, there was no one who would co-sponsor the resolution.

It was one guy who suggested it since she went to High School there and it got no support from anyone else, so it died a quick death. Normal small town politics.

182 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:50:00am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm, he says that he thinks that both the Dems and the Reps are taking us to a bad place, (and he admits that he is a conservative Libertarian, not a Republican) and yet you say he is a talking head for the Republicans?

Maybe instead of me "changing blogs" (as if this is the only one I frequent) you should brush up a bit on logic...

183 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:50:16am

re: #175 Capitalist Tool

Government Corruption is endemic.

Accountability and transparency in government would be yearly audits of all federal agencies. They're all for more regulations except when it comes to their spending.

184 gregb  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:50:41am

We've certainly seen the manic side of him.

185 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:50:49am

Capitalist Tool -- I heard yesterday that Obama said that we "couldn't sustain the spending" and were leaving out children and grandchildren in such debt. And, what does that statement mean since he is doing all the spending? I just think it is an excuse for him to decide to raise taxes to the "doom level".

186 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:51:11am

re: #178 Vanderleun

Numero Uno Newton,
I'm not really sure that Beck presents himself as a talking head for the GOP. Not at all sure he identifies primarily as GOP.

Numero Two Newton,
Telling someone to move out is to soak in the mentality of a churl. It's the sort of "Love it or leave it" nonsense that was old around 1965. I'm sure you don't really mean that.

Evidently Vanderleun hasn't posted very much. YES I MEAN IT. I don't make comments that I don't back up.

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch suggested if we don't like it, to change the channel, I suggested if Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch doesn't like what is being commented on here, that he it finds another blog.

Simple, I thought so.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:51:30am

re: #152 Charles

I can only speak about what happened in my home state of Washington in 2004 and after where a number of ACORN activists have been convicted of election fraud in the gubernatorial election.

All my links regarding it went 404 when the Seattle P.I. went belly up, though.

188 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:51:59am

re: #152 Charles

Unless there is an issue around a federal voting law - like the Voting Rights Act, it is unlikely the Justice Department will get engaged since voting and voter registration takes place on a local (city, county) level. There are investigations into Acorn practices around falsified voting registration forms or voting when not permitted under the local voting laws. In these, the main focus is not on the organization but on the individuals directly responsible for the specific acts. I think some of the newer investigations (Nevada comes to mind) do name the organization as a subject of the investigation and possibly liable for penalties if the cases are prosecuted successfully.

Acorn's position seems to be that these are not the policies of the organization, but the improper actions of over zealous employees who are filing fraudulent documents in order to get pay from Acorn. Many suspect that this is far more organized than that - but even in the successfully prosecuted investigations, Acorn has paid fines, agreed to change their methods, but avoided being specifically singled out for criminal wrong doing (King County, Washington State).

Voter fraud does happen and needs to get addressed. Just imagine how many residents of snowbirds cast ballots in the state they summer in and the state they winter in. Where Acorn draws attention is because of their obvious political agenda and the tactics that they employ.

189 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:52:29am

re: #175 Capitalist Tool

Government Corruption is endemic.

No government is free from corruption, degree is the only non-constant.

190 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:52:30am

re: #164 Rancher

If charging your I-Pod kills a Polar Bear, what's charging your car going to do?

Can they really say I'm killing polar bears? I like to think every recharge cycle wipes out a swarm of mosquitos or a patch of crabgrass.

191 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:52:49am

re: #182 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

Hmmm, he says that he thinks that both the Dems and the Reps are taking us to a bad place, (and he admits that he is a conservative Libertarian, not a Republican) and yet you say he is a talking head for the Republicans?

Maybe instead of me "changing blogs" (as if this is the only one I frequent) you should brush up a bit on logic...

I misspoke as to which politics Beck identifies himself with, but my bottom line comment stands.

He's a nut, and if you suggest we change the channel if we don't like it, I still suggest you find another blog if you don't like what is being posted here about Beck.

192 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:52:57am

In the past several months, nearly every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show. But if you want to deny that he has any influence in the GOP, go right ahead.

193 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:53:31am

re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans

And now some not pundit-centered, actual news:

Shuttle snapped up against sun

So very cool!

How 'bout one of it buzzing the Statue of Liberty?

/

194 calcajun  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:54:00am

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I understand--but the fact that is made it into the news is silly. I appreciate the lady having been candid in her view. I'm sorry that she is being pilloried for speaking her mind (though she should have known where it was leading given who asked the question). But now that some folks are lifting her up as a new GOP idol is disquieting. Shades of Sarah Palin redux.

195 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:54:36am

re: #190 Gearhead

Can they really say I'm killing polar bears? I like to think every recharge cycle wipes out a swarm of mosquitos or a patch of crabgrass.

Or athlete's foot.

/yeah, that's the ticket!

196 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:55:01am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Ahh, Okay. I thought Charles was in Charge around here...My bad, I bow to your ever spewing fountain of wisdom. (I don't want to risk the wrath of Arth...)

197 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:55:15am

re: #192 Charles

In the past several months, nearly every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show. But if you want to deny that he has any influence in the GOP, go right ahead.

Thank you for making my point, clearer than I did, but none the less, my point.

198 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:55:38am

About those Military Tribunal thingees...

Military Tribunals Expected to Resume

The Obama administration announced this afternoon that it is filing legal papers in Guantanamo Bay laying out a plan to revive military commissions to try some terrorist suspects held at the military base in Cuba.

The decision, which follows an intense internal debate, represents something of a reversal by the president who said during the campaign that military courts martial or the federal courts offered a better route to what he called "swift and sure justice" for terrorists.

In recent weeks, however, the administration appears to have bowed to fears articulated by the Pentagon that some detainees could not be successfully prosecuted in regular courts.

The administration will seek a second continuance of proceedings at Guantanamo Bay to finalize reforms to the military commissions system, including a ban on the use of evidence obtained from coercive interrogations, limits on the use of hearsay, and allowing detainees more choice in the selection of their attorneys, according to a statement released by the White House this afternoon.

That high pitched keeing sound is DU and DKos spinning themselves into a tizzy

199 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:56:03am

re: #185 Miss Molly

Capitalist Tool -- I heard yesterday that Obama said that we "couldn't sustain the spending" and were leaving out children and grandchildren in such debt. And, what does that statement mean since he is doing all the spending? I just think it is an excuse for him to decide to raise taxes to the "doom level".

I posted a link to the story yesterday - it's also still up on Drudge. My jaw hit the floor with this man's audacity. Like it's OUR fault that he and his Dems are spending us into oblivion. I've never seen such blatent lying, deflecting, fact-changing happen so fast in front of my eyes as with this Administration and Congress. I'm speechless.

200 LGoPs  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:56:06am

re: #66 Charles

Another quote from that November radio show:

This is why I didn't kill myself, and I'm ashamed to say it but it was cowardess [sic] that saved my life. I was afraid of the pain. I was afraid of putting the gun in my mouth. I couldn't throw myself off a roof. That would freak me out. If I could have just gone to sleep. I don't know why I was too stupid to think of ODing on something, but I guess I was doing it in a way with all of the alcohol.

What is wrong with that statement? I went through a very dark period in my life after a bad divorce many years ago and also thought of suicide - regularly. The only thing that held me back was the thought of what it would do to my parents and to my kids. That and my faith and not wanting to roll the dice on a so-called unforgiveable sin. Bottom line is I went through this and I'm sure many others did as well.
Why is this worthy of criticism?

201 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:56:42am

re: #198 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I said this earlier, obambi and the rest of his rabble rouser are now in the real world, and it bites. Heh.

202 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #192 Charles

In the past several months, nearly every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show. But if you want to deny that he has any influence in the GOP, go right ahead.

Yes, they have. They've also appeared on his radio program as well.

On a serious note, I would actually like to see you go on and challenge him on some things with regard to the future of the GOP (ID, social conservatvies, fiscal conservatives, etc.)... I think that would be a very intriguing debate.

203 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #99 Alouette

Nobody here gives a shit about your tchochka collection.

Being a fellow gearhead, I'm okay with his tchochka collection.

Avanti, do you have a Web site? You should scan and post that stuff on there.

204 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:57:15am

re: #196 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

Ahh, Okay. I thought Charles was in Charge around here...My bad, I bow to your ever spewing fountain of wisdom. (I don't want to risk the wrath of Arth...)

Look dumb shit, I have opinions, you have opinions, you can suggest we change channels, I can suggest you change blogs.

What is the problem with that? Come on, get some fucking balls. You can't have an open debate on a subject if it doesn't all go your way.

Can't we all just get along.

No.

205 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:57:16am

re: #201 pingjockey

I said this earlier, obambi and the rest of his rabble rouser are now in the real world, and it bites. Heh.

"He's just like BUSH!"

/Koslings

206 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #192 Charles

Unfortunately, he does have influence with the GOP and with the opposition who will use him as a model of the GOP. That's why the GOP has to take a hard internal look at the 'Big Tent' policies and start to winnow out those who belong on the fringe. Beck does belong on the fringe - with Luap Nor, Rockwell, Judge Napolitano, etc. They are not conservatives in the traditional model.

If Buckley or Reagan were still with us - they would be leading the fight to clean the fringe out from the GOP.

207 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:11am

re: #164 Rancher

If charging your I-Pod kills a Polar Bear, what's charging your car going to do?

LOL! These guys are a total hoot. Here's the headline:

Charge Your iPod, Kill A Polar Bear? Environmental Alarms Raised Over Home Electronics

But here's the first line and a half:

Charge your iPod, kill a polar bear?

The choice might not be quite that stark...

IOW, the answer appears to be "probably only if you throw it at him."

208 DaddyG  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:17am

re: #170 Miss Molly What I cannot tell from the information available is if ACORN is a loosely affiliated group of activists with a whole lot of people who believe the ends justify the means combined with some bad management practices like paying for names -or- a large scale conspiracy to defraud voters (less likely IMO). Either way it bears looking into.

209 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:22am

re: #200 LGoPs

Why is this worthy of criticism?

Because in the video I posted above, Beck says he's "not suicidal." I thought it was pretty obvious that I posted it to show that he has said exactly the opposite on more than one occasion.

And by the way, when someone announces in public that they're thinking of suicide, it's no longer just something you can brush off as unimportant.

210 tfc3rid  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:25am

And it would be a way to maybe get a different message out than what is currently being promoted.

211 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:41am

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There's gonna be a lot of 'splainin' to do by the one to his frothing hordes on the left.

212 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:43am

re: #200 LGoPs

Did you have a national televised forum when you were going through those bad times? Beck does, and that makes all the difference.

213 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:58:50am

re: #198 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

About those Military Tribunal thingees...

Military Tribunals Expected to Resume

That high pitched keeing sound is DU and DKos spinning themselves into a tizzy

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I want to hear the whining from the moonbats when they execute the first one.

214 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:59:19am

re: #200 LGoPs

What is wrong with that statement? I went through a very dark period in my life after a bad divorce many years ago and also thought of suicide - regularly. The only thing that held me back was the thought of what it would do to my parents and to my kids. That and my faith and not wanting to roll the dice on a so-called unforgiveable sin. Bottom line is I went through this and I'm sure many others did as well.
Why is this worthy of criticism?

I'm not sure it's a criticism as much as it is a red flag about this man's mental and emotional state. Finding out he has suicide in his family is troubling, not because I'm a critic, but because I'm a human being. People with suicide in their immediate families are much more prone to deep depression and suicidal thoughts themselves. Just human decency makes me think this man needs help.

215 drcordell  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:59:20am

re: #170 Miss Molly

I fail to see why ACORN is even on the radar when there is so much other wasteful, fucked up federal spending going on. No federal money goes to ACORN for voter registration activities, and any fake voter registrations just get weeded out and chucked into the garbage. "Mickey Mouse" can't actually show up to the polls and vote.

Energy taxes, soda taxes, social security, medicare, TARP, TALF, you name it. We have much bigger sh*t to worry about than some crackheads filling out fake voter cards for loose menthol cigs.

216 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:59:44am

Charles.

I am not paranoid.

The fact that everyone is out to get me does not make me paranoid. Nor does my obsession with doomsday and the end times.

I am just being responsible. And so are my followers.

That is why we like to go to small gatherings of like minded people and talk about burning books and buying gold.

And don't forget about my many culinary talents which some may ascribe to "paranoia" [eye roll]. Fact is that American families will appreciate the many creative recipes that I have shared on this board. People will yearn for creative ways to use their Government Cheese in their fallout shelters, and I am proving that knowledge.

Oh - and by the way - If I stop posting here, and after everyone celebrates, can someone look into whether I was banned?

/

217 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:59:54am

re: #209 Charles

And by the way, when someone announces in public that they're thinking of suicide, it's no longer just something you can brush off as unimportant.

It's usually a cry for help.

218 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 10:59:57am

re: #203 Ward Cleaver

Being a fellow gearhead...

Finally, someone who understands.

219 charles_martel  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:00:03am

Why are all the prominent Republicans such clowns? Why can't they put forward an intelligent front?

(sigh)

220 apachegunner  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:00:07am

re: #60 Gearhead

The surgeon accidentally nicked some gray matter?

are you proposing "shit for brains"?

221 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:00:18am

Meds or something is kickin' in. Shakes, etc... Bad ear infection, equilibrium shot to hell. I'm for bed!

222 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:00:37am

re: #215 drcordell

I fail to see why ACORN is even on the radar when there is so much other wasteful, fucked up federal spending going on. No federal money goes to ACORN for voter registration activities, and any fake voter registrations just get weeded out and chucked into the garbage. "Mickey Mouse" can't actually show up to the polls and vote.

Energy taxes, soda taxes, social security, medicare, TARP, TALF, you name it. We have much bigger sh*t to worry about than some crackheads filling out fake voter cards for loose menthol cigs.

Where were you last summer and fall?

223 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:00:54am

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

My green lizard balls are just fine thank you. But I see that some peed in your Wheaties this morning...So I can deal with that...Have a great weekend!

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:01:07am

The convergence of fiction and reality is happening before our eyes. Beck is today' Howard Beale, and we are all impoverished because of the cheapening of public discourse.

225 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:01:36am

The Urinated Cranky Flakes make a return?

226 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:01:39am

re: #220 apachegunner

are you proposing "shit for brains"?

The medical term is 'acute anal-cranial inversion'

227 MandyManners  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:01:51am

re: #216 That's Glenn Beck to you

HA!

228 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:01:52am

re: #200 LGoPs

What is wrong with that statement? I went through a very dark period in my life after a bad divorce many years ago and also thought of suicide - regularly. The only thing that held me back was the thought of what it would do to my parents and to my kids. That and my faith and not wanting to roll the dice on a so-called unforgiveable sin. Bottom line is I went through this and I'm sure many others did as well.
Why is this worthy of criticism?

* * * *
Congratulations on making it through the rough patches. It takes courage & will & science & help to overcome these very human problems. If we hadn't evolved to the point where we humans can obsess & and worry our neocortexes so much unto near paralysis, this wouldn't be a problem!

229 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:02:06am

re: #215 drcordell

What? They get federal money, IIRC, and it is organized. They should be looking at them using RICO.

230 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:02:16am

re: #219 charles_martel

Why are all the prominent Republicans such clowns? Why can't they put forward an intelligent front?

(sigh)

They have a very good bunch of role models in the prominent Dems.

231 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:02:30am

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

The convergence of fiction and reality is happening before our eyes. Beck is today' Howard Beale, and we are all impoverished because of the cheapening of public discourse.

All he had to do now is stick his head out the window, in the rain.

/and yell it

232 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:02:32am

re: #223 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

My green lizard balls are just fine thank you. But I see that some peed in your Wheaties this morning...So I can deal with that...Have a great weekend!

I intend to. Thanks :)

233 Baier  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:03:01am

Creationist banner ad on LGF? Boy oh boy...google analytics needs some tweeking.

234 Dianna  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:03:58am

re: #209 Charles

Usually, we call that "a danger to himself or others." We request professional intervention, too.

235 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:04:17am

re: #216 That's Glenn Beck to you

o_O

236 Gearhead  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:04:24am

re: #233 Baier

Creationist banner ad on LGF? Boy oh boy...google analytics needs some tweeking.

I had one that said "Ann Coulter - Free!"

Who the hell let her out?

237 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:04:35am

I have been under the impression that in the spending package from Congress that ACORN is getting sever "billion" in taxpayer money to do -- we don't know exactly what. Already 13 - 14 States have brought election fraud actions against ACORN and now the federal gov't wants to give them more money. I would like to have ACORN and their friends disbanded from participating in anything to do with elections.

238 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:04:45am

re: #200 LGoPs

What is wrong with that statement? I went through a very dark period in my life after a bad divorce many years ago and also thought of suicide - regularly. The only thing that held me back was the thought of what it would do to my parents and to my kids. That and my faith and not wanting to roll the dice on a so-called unforgiveable sin. Bottom line is I went through this and I'm sure many others did as well.
Why is this worthy of criticism?

I've been there too, years ago, during a divorce. Those things can really screw with your mind. But after I had resigned myself to winding up divorced, things started getting better. Much happier now, in a healthy marriage.

239 Lincolntf  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:04:54am

I've never seen the Beck show. The only time I ever heard him was a few years ago when his was the late-night (no doubt taped) talk-show on Boston radio. Apparently he's now hit the big time.
Anyway, I've seen Repubs on CNN, heard them on NPR, and read them in the NYT.
Just being on someone's show doesn't necessarily indicate any influence or meeting of the minds.

240 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:05:08am

re: #219 charles_martel

Why are all the prominent Republicans such clowns? Why can't they put forward an intelligent front?

(sigh)

* * * *
Glenn Beck isn't a Republican, folks have pointed out.

241 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:05:37am

re: #233 Baier

Creationist banner ad on LGF? Boy oh boy...google analytics needs some tweeking.

Action figures of Knights Templar and dinosaurs?

/

242 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:05:59am

re: #233 Baier

Creationist banner ad on LGF? Boy oh boy...google analytics needs some tweeking.

You mean Google analytics crawls the site and sends advertising based on terms it finds? Really? Cool!

Playboy bunny
Playboy bunny

;-)

243 kansas  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:05am

re: #179 avanti

Good link on actual "voter fraud" not registration fraud. In investigations of voter fraud turned up less then a dozen per state and most were not from false registrations.

"It is more likely that an individual will
be struck by lightning than that he will
impersonate another voter at the polls."

fraud.

Ridiculing concern about ACORN voter fraud is a tactic used by the left. Maybe there has been very little actual fraud, but it would be my impression that is because of vigilance at the polls not for lack of trying by individuals who represent or who were employed by ACORN. Maybe not systemic but certainly real.

244 Kragar  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:15am

re: #233 Baier

Creationist banner ad on LGF? Boy oh boy...google analytics needs some tweeking.

Screw it. It find it amusing they're pissing their money away where it will do them absolutely no good

245 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:20am

re: #239 Lincolntf

I've never seen the Beck show. The only time I ever heard him was a few years ago when his was the late-night (no doubt taped) talk-show on Boston radio. Apparently he's now hit the big time.
Anyway, I've seen Repubs on CNN, heard them on NPR, and read them in the NYT.
Just being on someone's show doesn't necessarily indicate any influence or meeting of the minds.

I've never watched him either, on CNN or Fox. I don't do cable news.

246 Baier  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:22am

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

Action figures of Knights Templar and dinosaurs?

/

Knights of Templar riding dinosaurs! Hahah

247 pingjockey  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #240 alegrias
Nope, he's turned into a nutbat of some kind. (meant to write nutbar, but nutbat works too.)

248 Sharmuta  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:46am

re: #237 Miss Molly

I have been under the impression that in the spending package from Congress that ACORN is getting sever "billion" in taxpayer money to do -- we don't know exactly what. Already 13 - 14 States have brought election fraud actions against ACORN and now the federal gov't wants to give them more money. I would like to have ACORN and their friends disbanded from participating in anything to do with elections.

But that still doesn't address federal money being spent in such a manner. Address the real spending issues, and a group like ACORN wouldn't be getting funding in the first place.

249 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:51am

To show no hard feelings, allow me to share a recipe that honors an intellectual giant and dear friend, Lew Rockwell, from my forthcoming book, "101 Recipes With Government Cheese and Iodine - tasty treats that will make the end times the best times."

Oysters Rockwell -

1 block of government cheese
3 potassium iodine tablets, crushed
3 books on evolution
Steamed Oysters

Preheat cooking fire by lighting your three books on evolution. Make a tee pee structure before lighting so they burn thoroughly. Do this in a well ventilated space. If you are in your bunker, have you and your family don your gas masks while cooking.

Melt block of cheese in sauce pan. Sprinkle with potassium iodine and stir. Pour over Steamed Oysters. If Steamed Oysters aren't available, cut up the box your government cheese came in into little Oyster shapes and pour the cheese over them instead.

Bon Appetite!

/

250 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:06:58am

re: #242 subsailor68

You mean Google analytics crawls the site and sends advertising based on terms it finds? Really? Cool!

Playboy bunny
Playboy bunny

;-)

Here we go...

Image: playboy-bunny.jpg

251 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:07:20am

Just a quick OT.

I was reading the comments on a story over on the WSJ when I came across the following. I had to share. It's about 5 or 6 comments down the page.

By commenter Russ K.

Our Obama,
Who art in Washington,
Hollow be thy change,
Thy unions come,
Their will be done,
On earth as it is in Detroit,
Give us this day our carbon cap,
And forgive W his waterboarding,
As you have forgiven your forgetful speaker,
And release pictures not into circulation,
but deliver us from Gitmo
For thine is the GM
And the Chrysler,
For ever and ever...

A little further down, someone suggested an alternate ending,
For ever and ever...in debt

252 doppelganglander  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:08:10am

re: #194 calcajun

I understand--but the fact that is made it into the news is silly. I appreciate the lady having been candid in her view. I'm sorry that she is being pilloried for speaking her mind (though she should have known where it was leading given who asked the question). But now that some folks are lifting her up as a new GOP idol is disquieting. Shades of Sarah Palin redux.

More like Joe the Plumber, and we all know how that's working out.

253 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:08:24am

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

Here we go...

[Link: www.nerve.com...]

Oh that's just sooo wrong! (Which is why it gets an upding!)

:-)

254 alegrias  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:09:36am

re: #237 Miss Molly

I have been under the impression that in the spending package from Congress that ACORN is getting sever "billion" in taxpayer money to do -- we don't know exactly what. Already 13 - 14 States have brought election fraud actions against ACORN and now the federal gov't wants to give them more money. I would like to have ACORN and their friends disbanded from participating in anything to do with elections.

* * * *
8 billion but who's counting!

Some goes to my Alexandria Redevelopment and Housing Authority, where unemployed folks live and receive welfare & public transportation for generations. There is an open air drug market at night, centered around the houses with the Kerry-Edwards and Obama-Biden stickers, which I go through it on the way to grocery shop by day.

It's ACORN country.

255 Miss Molly  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:11:19am

Sharmuta -- From your lips to God's ear if only Congress would clean up its spending act then ACORN would not get any money and their members might have to actually look for a real job. Could that ever happen? I'm thinking not!

256 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

[out of character]

Wow Charles! Thanks for the upding!

[in character]

Kiss my butt all you want - you aren't getting on my show.

/

257 2by2  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:12:49am

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

To show no hard feelings, allow me to share a recipe that honors an intellectual giant and dear friend, Lew Rockwell, from my forthcoming book, "101 Recipes With Government Cheese and Iodine - tasty treats that will make the end times the best times."

Oysters Rockwell -

1 block of government cheese
3 potassium iodine tablets, crushed
3 books on evolution
Steamed Oysters
ROTFL
Preheat cooking fire by lighting your three books on evolution. Make a tee pee structure before lighting so they burn thoroughly. Do this in a well ventilated space. If you are in your bunker, have you and your family don your gas masks while cooking.

Melt block of cheese in sauce pan. Sprinkle with potassium iodine and stir. Pour over Steamed Oysters. If Steamed Oysters aren't available, cut up the box your government cheese came in into little Oyster shapes and pour the cheese over them instead.

Bon Appetite!

/

258 2by2  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:14:19am

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

To show no hard feelings, allow me to share a recipe that honors an intellectual giant and dear friend, Lew Rockwell, from my forthcoming book, "101 Recipes With Government Cheese and Iodine - tasty treats that will make the end times the best times."

Oysters Rockwell -

1 block of government cheese
3 potassium iodine tablets, crushed
3 books on evolution
Steamed Oysters

Preheat cooking fire by lighting your three books on evolution. Make a tee pee structure before lighting so they burn thoroughly. Do this in a well ventilated space. If you are in your bunker, have you and your family don your gas masks while cooking.

Melt block of cheese in sauce pan. Sprinkle with potassium iodine and stir. Pour over Steamed Oysters. If Steamed Oysters aren't available, cut up the box your government cheese came in into little Oyster shapes and pour the cheese over them instead.

Bon Appetite!

/

ROTFL
priceless, haha

259 bbuck  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:14:22am

#233 Baier:

Creationist banner ad on LGF? Boy oh boy...google analytics needs some tweeking.

That, or Google knows something about this audience. The topics covered here and on other blogs attract passionate people on all sides of the issues discussed. It makes some sense to mine for them here.

260 Vanderleun  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

Evidently Vanderleun hasn't posted very much. YES I MEAN IT. I don't make comments that I don't back up... I suggested if Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch doesn't like what is being commented on here, that he it finds another blog.

Simple, I thought so.

Well, it is a pretty simple thought, I'll grant you that, but it really doesn't reflect that well on you. This isn't a TV channel that is one to many and one-way. This is a "discussion" in which any number can play. Rooting for people to "leave" because you don't like their attitude or ideas is really sorta either John Birchean or proto-fascist. It's the mind set people get into easily online when they realize that they don't have the power to jail or execute those that disagree with them.

"Love it or leave it" is usually the mark of a bankrupt intellectual position or the mark of a person who enjoys a discussion that fits him like the comfy chair.

261 Edgesitter  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:23:33am

Glen Beck is a nut, but ACORN IS DANGEROUS !

262 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:24:04am
263 rhymeswithright  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:26:52am

Charles -- you may want to recall that about 18 months ago beck went through a terrible medical crisis in which problems with a surgical procedure and the medication he was given sent him into a downward spiral that did lead him to consider suicide as an escape from the pain he was in. I presume that is what he meant in the second quote that you use to close out this post. And given the history of suicide in his family (and his history of substance abuse), it would be surprising if there were not some other pretty dark periods in his life that led him to the brink of the abyss.

I'm not defending the original quote you are commenting on, merely noting that there is a reasonable explanation for the second qoute -- based upon things he has discussed publicly.

264 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:28:40am
265 NY Nana  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:30:26am

/Poor Glenn Beck!

He must have too many things on his mind...his radio show, his TV program, and his shameless shilling for a gold company...

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:30:49am

re: #216 That's Glenn Beck to you

Charles.

I am not paranoid.

The fact that everyone is out to get me does not make me paranoid. Nor does my obsession with doomsday and the end times.

I am just being responsible. And so are my followers.

That is why we like to go to small gatherings of like minded people and talk about burning books and buying gold.

And don't forget about my many culinary talents which some may ascribe to "paranoia" [eye roll]. Fact is that American families will appreciate the many creative recipes that I have shared on this board. People will yearn for creative ways to use their Government Cheese in their fallout shelters, and I am proving that knowledge.

Oh - and by the way - If I stop posting here, and after everyone celebrates, can someone look into whether I was banned?

/


I bought gold at $400/OZ, well before Beck had a gold sponsor. Geez, me stupid.

267 LGoPs  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:34:31am

re: #238 Ward Cleaver

I've been there too, years ago, during a divorce. Those things can really screw with your mind. But after I had resigned myself to winding up divorced, things started getting better. Much happier now, in a healthy marriage.

Me too.
:)

268 jvic  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:35:22am

From Beck's site:

Glenn talked about Alcoholics Anonymous—about it saving his life...

Has Beck ever wondered why it's called Alcoholics Anonymous?

But the rules for ordinary people don't apply to Beck. He's special.

Special, as in 'stark raving sober'.

Beck might be doing more aggregate harm now than when he was drinking and using. Christian scripture warns that such outcomes are possible:

When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

(NB: I don't wish on anyone a relapse into an addiction.)

269 Unakite  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:36:49am

re: #164 Rancher

If charging your I-Pod kills a Polar Bear, what's charging your car going to do?

I like this from the article:

"The world would have to build around 200 new nuclear power plants just to power all the TVs, iPods, PCs and other home electronics expected to be plugged in by 2030, when the global electric bill to power them will rise to $200 billion a year, the IEA said."

Talk about a confusing conundrum. Home electronics are using too much energy but they want plug-in cars but they need more and increasing energy supplies to power the plug-in cars so the world needs more nuclear plants but they don't want nuclear plants...

My head hurts.

270 charles_martel  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:43:48am

re: #240 alegrias

Glenn Beck isn't a Republican, folks have pointed out.

He's some kind of rogue conservative or Libertarian or something? But many Libbies and independents, I'm sure, THINK he's a Republican, and that's just as bad when the Repubs are trying to rehabilitate their image.

271 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:44:46am

Uh oh.

272 vabenni  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:44:46am

I actually like his show and find it very unfortunate that we have got to the point where his show is relevant. Also, you might want to cut him some slack with regard to his being able to relate to suicide since he is a recovering alcoholic who repeatably talks about what it was like when he hit bottom.

273 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:45:07am
274 gander  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:45:27am

Glenn Beck is my antidote to Keith Olberman. Besides that, he's a dead ringer for Portland Oregon appliance sales icon Tom Peterson.
Image: Tom_Peterson_front.jpg

275 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:48:59am

Wow, three meltdowns in a row.

Notice -- people who disagree and manage to refrain from spewing insults don't lose their accounts.

276 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:51:46am

Boy, I saw that coming.

277 wrenchwench  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:51:55am

re: #275 Charles

Wow, three meltdowns in a row.

Notice -- people who disagree and manage to refrain from spewing insults don't lose their accounts.

Melting down over Glenn Beck? Whoda thunk it?

278 itellu3times  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:52:30am

re: #78 Honorary Yooper

They have way too many dealers. It's a legacy of a time when we had smaller towns and no freeways. GM decided to have dealers in every little town, and then also decided to have dealers for each brand. My home town at one time had a dealer for each Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, and Cadillac at the same time.

But the dealers are independent. I could understand it if the dealers were centrally owned.

279 wrenchwench  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:54:27am

re: #274 gander

Glenn Beck is my antidote to Keith Olberman. Besides that, he's a dead ringer for Portland Oregon appliance sales icon Tom Peterson.
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

Tom Peterson used to give away a bicycle with the purchase of a TV. They were the worst imitations of bicycles ever made. I've considered giving away a TV with the purchase of a bicycle, with a picture from a magazine taped over the screen or something.

280 Mr Secul  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #275 Charles

Charles have you seen this video? Its the one labeled: A challenge to the Discovery Institute

281 Mr Secul  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:56:39am

re: #280 Mr Secul

This is a direct link:

282 drcordell  Fri, May 15, 2009 11:56:42am

re: #278 itellu3times

I don't think its so much that the dealers require direct funds from GM, it's that they require inventory. GM still has to produce cars to ship to dealers even if they aren't selling them. Cutting the struggling dealers probably allows GM to reduce production to better align with demand.

283 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #263 rhymeswithright

I'm not defending the original quote you are commenting on, merely noting that there is a reasonable explanation for the second qoute -- based upon things he has discussed publicly.

So what? The point is not whether there's a "reasonable explanation" -- the point is that he said "I'm not suicidal" in a paranoid rant about fears that he'll be killed by ACORN ninjas, when he has clearly said in public on several occasions that he HAS been suicidal.

And the larger point behind posting this is that Beck is a seriously deranged, seriously irresponsible individual, who is gaining influence with the right wing -- and I think that's disturbing and wrong.

284 Skaught  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:05:51pm

I guess I'm still not getting why if someone was once suicidal, in the past, that any future statements about not being suicidal, such as his present statement, are contradictory. Do not things change?

285 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:06:50pm

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

To show no hard feelings, allow me to share a recipe that honors an intellectual giant and dear friend, Lew Rockwell, from my forthcoming book, "101 Recipes With Government Cheese and Iodine - tasty treats that will make the end times the best times."

Oysters Rockwell -

1 block of government cheese
3 potassium iodine tablets, crushed
3 books on evolution
Steamed Oysters

Preheat cooking fire by lighting your three books on evolution. Make a tee pee structure before lighting so they burn thoroughly. Do this in a well ventilated space. If you are in your bunker, have you and your family don your gas masks while cooking.

Melt block of cheese in sauce pan. Sprinkle with potassium iodine and stir. Pour over Steamed Oysters. If Steamed Oysters aren't available, cut up the box your government cheese came in into little Oyster shapes and pour the cheese over them instead.

Bon Appetite!

/

Are you sending this to Reine for the LGF cookbook?

286 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:08:23pm

re: #284 Skaught

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

287 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:10:26pm

re: #275 Charles

Wow, three meltdowns in a row.

Notice -- people who disagree and manage to refrain from spewing insults don't lose their accounts.

BTW - the waste heat from meltdowns can be used to melt your Government Cheese in my recipes. For all you tree huggers out there [eye roll] that makes for carbon free cheese melting.

/

288 koedo  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:15:22pm

So, now we're parsing words and doing historical analysis. Some are even giving negative votes to comments that are off the reservation.

Interesting.

289 hazzyday  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:16:02pm

I would interpret this as a call for help from Glenn Beck. His close friends and fans should have an intervention with him. Get his head back on straight.

290 Skaught  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:16:11pm

re: #286 Lawrence Schmerel

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The less things change, the less they stay the same.

An equally meaningless statement.

291 hazzyday  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:18:23pm

The price of beer has gone down in Seattle. I would say the recovery is on the upswing.

292 hazzyday  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:20:32pm

re: #263 rhymeswithright

I would say Glenn Beck is high risk for despondency. He went though some horrible stuff. Hopefully his support system balances him out a bit.

293 Querent  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:34:43pm

re: #146 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

Antioch, i like your nic. upding.

294 gander  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:36:32pm

re: #279 wrenchwench
...Tom Peterson...
I bought a TV or VCR from him once in the 80's. I got free video rentals. I lived in Tigard at the time, so it was a pretty lousy freebie.

295 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:37:09pm

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

296 chukardog  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:44:12pm

Find me a former alchoholic/drug addict who's mother also commited suicide, that hasn't thought of doing the same thing.

297 shortshrift  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:44:15pm

re: #206 Athos

Over three million viewers give Beck some influence, and makes him attractive to politicians and other self-promoting guests. Demagogues have demotic appeal. But it is futile to reserve the "tent" for the rational. The true "tent" is the nation, the democracy. As I have said before, bouncing loonies out of party tents does not disenfranchise them. They can still mark their secret ballots for the GOP, despite being reviled by party poobahs, if the alternative is worse for them. The dems don't bounce anyone. Behold America in her rich diversity! Or would you rather voter qualification: IQ, sobriety, literacy, civility, discerning taste, mental health...?

Reluctantly, I place the /, though perhaps I could initiate an "I" marker - for irony. Come to think of it, since one can never trust anyone to read one's post correctly, how about these markers:
s - subtlety
n - nuance
wa - wistful allusion
gn - gentle nudge
l- lytotes

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:47:28pm

re: #291 hazzyday

The price of beer has gone down in Seattle. I would say the recovery is on the upswing.

I don't drink beer, nor spend any more time than absolutely necessary in the Socialist Republik of Seattle, so the price of beer there means little to me.

299 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:48:29pm

re: #288 koedo

So, now we're parsing words and doing historical analysis. Some are even giving negative votes to comments that are off the reservation.

Interesting.

Curses! You've stumbled onto my secret! All those people giving negative votes are brainwashed by my mighty manipulative mental power.

There's no way they could actually be thinking for themselves, and making their own decisions about clicking that little minus button.

300 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:52:46pm

re: #299 Charles

Curses! You've stumbled onto my secret! All those people giving negative votes are brainwashed by my mighty manipulative mental power.

There's no way they could actually be thinking for themselves, and making their own decisions about clicking that little minus button.

Taking up residence in craniums other than the stalkers'? Must be better digs.

301 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:54:16pm
302 subsailor68  Fri, May 15, 2009 12:59:32pm

re: #299 Charles

Curses! You've stumbled onto my secret! All those people giving negative votes are brainwashed by my mighty manipulative mental power.

There's no way they could actually be thinking for themselves, and making their own decisions about clicking that little minus button.

Charles, am I supposed to down-ding that guy's post? I just can't remember what you told me last night via the CJ2000 Sleep Support Helmet that you sent me. I'm scared.

;-)

303 itellu3times  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:06:05pm

re: #282 drcordell

I don't think its so much that the dealers require direct funds from GM, it's that they require inventory. GM still has to produce cars to ship to dealers even if they aren't selling them. Cutting the struggling dealers probably allows GM to reduce production to better align with demand.

B-but, ... well, dead thread, and OT anyway.

304 debutaunt  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:31:13pm

re: #302 subsailor68

Charles, am I supposed to down-ding that guy's post? I just can't remember what you told me last night via the CJ2000 Sleep Support Helmet that you sent me. I'm scared.

;-)

The message was: Downding until your fingers are bloody.

305 Gitarzan  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:38:04pm

re: #295 Lawrence Schmerel

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

'Cause suicide is painless,
It brings on many changes,
And I can take or leave it if I please

/loves me some M*A*S*H

306 n2stox  Fri, May 15, 2009 1:44:16pm

At least when Savage runs out of things to rant about, he talks about food or music.

Beck just gets nuttier. As if he is so important that someone would want to harm him.

I've listened to his show for a total of about 15 minutes over 3 or 4 episodes.

Glenn, you're right up there with Coulter. Great rabble-rouser, probably a good book-seller, but your job is to sell advertising. You must sell a lot of it, but that's really what you do: hawk airtime.

307 afton  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:05:49pm

I remember when Glen Beck was pretty popular and wasn't getting a whole lot of attention...then he decided to step up the attacks on the Left and now he's a kook, a nutjob, an extremist, a right wing fascist.

A common ploy of the Left - attack an enemy on the personal level - did we not see this with Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin went after Barack Obama in the campaign, she took off the gloves that McCain kept on, and because her truth hit home, the Left went after her, after her kids, after her husband and after state.

So what's the moral of the story? The Left attacks Sarah Palin and Katie Couric gets a journalism award, the Right attacks Obama (and ACORN) and Glen Beck gets a straight jacket.

The message is clear America. Sit down, shut up and let Obama and his thug organization ACORN run right over ya.

308 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:16:18pm

re: #307 afton

I remember when Glen Beck was pretty popular and wasn't getting a whole lot of attention...then he decided to step up the attacks on the Left and now he's a kook, a nutjob, an extremist, a right wing fascist.


Uh, no. What makes Beck a kook and an extremist:

* Creationism
* Ties to the John Birch Society through conspiracy nut Cleon Skousen
* Ranting about 'end times'
* Promoting the idea that a 'revolution' is imminent
* Promoting Ron Paul
* Insanely exaggerated comparisons of Obama to Hitler

And that's just for starters. The sad, pathetic thing is that so many conservatives refuse to step away from kooks like this, and instead defend him as if he's some kind of hero.

309 n2stox  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:19:00pm

re: #307 afton

I remember when Glen Beck was pretty popular and wasn't getting a whole lot of attention...then he decided to step up the attacks on the Left and now he's a kook, a nutjob, an extremist, a right wing fascist.

A common ploy of the Left - attack an enemy on the personal level - did we not see this with Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin went after Barack Obama in the campaign, she took off the gloves that McCain kept on, and because her truth hit home, the Left went after her, after her kids, after her husband and after state.

So what's the moral of the story? The Left attacks Sarah Palin and Katie Couric gets a journalism award, the Right attacks Obama (and ACORN) and Glen Beck gets a straight jacket.

The message is clear America. Sit down, shut up and let Obama and his thug organization ACORN run right over ya.

That's not quite the message I get.

For a long time, I thought Olbermann was a Rovian plan to make liberals look insane. I'm rethinking that one.

Not everything is some sinister attack plot. The way the media treat Palin was, in my opinion, a travesty. But, she's a big girl and can stand for herself. She agreed to the interviews. She agreed to run as VP. She knows what the Clintons and other Dems can do.

Beck, on the other hand, is a populist grand-stander looking to sell advertising. Ann Coulter knows what she is: an edgie personality that gets paid to piss people (usually liberals) off. Beck actually thinks he's got the answers to policy to cure all ills. It'd be better when he realizes he is simply an entertainer. The right's Sean Penn, if you will.

310 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:20:23pm

Great; that's just what the right needs, their own Sean Penn.

311 n2stox  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:26:40pm

re: #310 Charles

In my optimistic view of humanity in general, I have to believe that there are moderate libs that hate Sean Penn.

312 afton  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:47:02pm

re: #308 Charles

Uh, no. What makes Beck a kook and an extremist:

* Creationism
* Ties to the John Birch Society through conspiracy nut Cleon Skousen
* Ranting about 'end times'
* Promoting the idea that a 'revolution' is imminent
* Promoting Ron Paul
* Insanely exaggerated comparisons of Obama to Hitler

And that's just for starters. The sad, pathetic thing is that so many conservatives refuse to step away from kooks like this, and instead defend him as if he's some kind of hero.

okay. And here I thought that Barack Obama's ties to Reverend Wright and William Ayers might be of more importance than Glen Beck's ties to a John Bircher or a Creationist guest on this show but i'm obviously wrong.

It appears that the Republicans need a mouthpiece on television that will hammer home every single night how much the deficit is but otherwise leave the Left alone - that outta ensure a GOP landslide in 2010 and a surefire election of Joe Lieberman as Republican President in 2012.

313 Lee Coller  Fri, May 15, 2009 2:51:47pm

Charles,

You've been attracting some weird ads lately, first the "Muslima" muslim dating site, now this thread has a banner for dianetics.org.

314 quiet man  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:24:10pm

I believe that Becks looking into ACORN, discovering who is getting what money and saying it out loud is wonderful. If he is correct, then the ACORN rent a mob might come see him, and to deny this as a possibility means you haven't been keeping up with their style and tactics.

Over the years, we have seen ACORN constantly involved with voter fraud; always on the left and always denied then swept away as if there was no pattern. I suggest we look closer. We have seen their rent a mobs, we have seen their funding patterns and threats against banks and financials. All in all, they are a group that needs some real scrutiny, especially before we give them billions more.

We are looking at huge interconnections between leftest groups funded by people who do not love this country and passing that off based on trivial connections and guilt by association is what the left does...not the right.

315 DockScience  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:37:33pm

A lot of these comments remind me of the Daily KOS.
And that's not a good thing.

316 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:44:14pm

re: #315 DockScience

A lot of these comments remind me of the Daily KOS.
And that's not a good thing.

Which comments in particular?

You'll have to excuse me for not joining the fan club of a paranoid, ranting fool who predicts revolution, denies evolution, devotes several shows to the idea that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the Antichrist who will bring on the End Times, and promotes a book by a John Bircher.

If this comment reminds you of the Daily Kos, maybe you need to ask why you think all of those things are just fine, because Glenn Beck is "on your side."

317 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 15, 2009 3:44:35pm

re: #315 DockScience

Yes. It's rather KOSian, is it not, to jump to the defense of a ranting, MSM lunatic and pretend as if he is some kind of Great American?

318 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:27:48pm
319 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:30:24pm

Bye now! Sorry, you don't get to leave your dramatic, nasty farewell comment.

320 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:45:07pm

re: #297 shortshrift

As I have said before, bouncing loonies out of party tents does not disenfranchise them. They can still mark their secret ballots for the GOP, despite being reviled by party poobahs, if the alternative is worse for them.

A bit late getting back, but this does require a response.

The loons are the loons are the loons. Very little will change it unless they decide to try to apply common sense and critical thinking to their positions. And those loons will walk into voting booths and cast their votes for whomever they think will best represent their values.

The purpose for bouncing the loons out of the party tent, just as the GOP / Conservatives bounced the Bircher's out in the 60's, just as we at LGF bounce out those who think it is legitimate to support Euro-nazi's / Euro-fascists in the name of fighting jihad, is because they do not share our values and unless we denounce them as the loons that they are - our opponents will hang that association around our necks. We lose the moral argument at that point since we cannot differentiate ourselves and our values from those of the loons. So it is imperative that we bounce them out from our tent - not to help them but to help ourselves.

If you haven't noticed, the conservative movement in the GOP is being tied to the ideas of Beck, Paul, Jones, Rockwell, Judge Napolitano, creationism as science / fact, anti-vaccination efforts, and other fringe concepts. This is costing us core middle American support - support that is needed in order to win elections. When we have elected leaders who cannot take a position around creationism or evolution in an interview - middle America asks WTF and they see the GOP as being captive of the fringe.

321 Athos  Fri, May 15, 2009 4:50:14pm

re: #312 afton

okay. And here I thought that Barack Obama's ties to Reverend Wright and William Ayers might be of more importance than Glen Beck's ties to a John Bircher or a Creationist guest on this show but i'm obviously wrong.

Yeah, you're wrong. I would think that to most cogent people who aren't ideologues, both aspects would raise questions and problems...those of the President's associations and his support for them, and those of Beck and his associations / support.

The fringe is the fringe and needs to be kept there - by both the left and the right.

322 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 5:06:34pm
323 Jimbouie  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:19:15pm

I thought the 270 leftie organizations located in the one little building was interesting, and I'm kinda glad Beck's trying to shine some light in there.

324 Aye Pod  Fri, May 15, 2009 7:50:45pm

I find that people who like to bore people to death by openly discussing their suicidal low-points are often delusional, narcissistic tosspots who see their lives as being on some kind of epic heroic arc. The case of Glenn Beck reinforces that impression.

325 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:07:46pm
326 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:14:25pm

Meltdown #5! They're dropping like flies.

Sorry, you don't get to post your dramatic flounce-off comment.

327 formercorpsman  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:15:44pm

WTF?

328 formercorpsman  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:18:54pm

I can't wrap my brain around it.

You are anonymous, and on a blog. The rules are obvious. No surprises.

Idiots.

329 [deleted]  Fri, May 15, 2009 8:20:39pm
330 jmctigret  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:48:27am

I think Glen B in a period of his life was an alcoholic and during that time he thought about suicide. I think that the context he talking about when he was suicidal. Now since he is not an alcoholic he is no longer suicidal.

I really think his over the top end of the world type of flavor to his shows is his style of comedy. I think his stuff is funny to me and I take everything I hear from him with a grain of salt. He makes some great points from time to time.

331 Optimizer  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:33:58am

Seriously, folks, this "paranoid rant" is really a literary device called hyperbole ([Link: www.enotes.com...] "obvious and deliberate exaggeration or an extravagant statement. It is a figure of speech not intended to be taken literally since it is exaggeration for the sake of emphasis. Hyperbole is a common poetic and dramatic device."). This particular hyperbole is directed at ACORN, which DOES seem to be fairly corrupt (not as corrupt as this implies, but that's where the hyperbole comes in). Beck uses this literary device all the time - the drama gets ratings. If you can find a credible story that Beck has hired (or increased?) a security detail, you can call him serious about this.

And - in all fairness - having been suicidal in the past is not inconsistent with not being suicidal in the present. Beck in particular clearly had some dark times in his life, but life seems to be pretty good for him right now. There's no need to be mean-spirited.

Personally, I liked Beck better when he was on HLN. There's a lot of good in his new "912 Project", but the assault on Separation of Church and State that it represents pisses me off. That being said, I am once again reminded of an "open letter" that our esteemed host posted on recently - one that I heartily applaud: [Link: sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com...]

332 Optimizer  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:30:59am

re: #308 Charles

I found your post oddly thought-provoking - specifically about the use of the term "extremist" (a term I don't care for, but that's not where I'm going with this.) I'm asking myself, "Is it legitimate to call a person an extremist, for being a Creationist?" I mean, OK it's pretty off-the-wall stuff (in my estimation), but call you really call it "extreme" if over a third of the population is on board with it? I guess I'm exploring whether "extreme", in this context, refers to how "kooky" the idea is, or to how far is for "mainstream thinking" (whatever that means). Depending on how this goes, one might be able to say that the majority of Americans are "extremist" in one way or another.

The 'end times' issue is an even tougher call. Maybe 10% (that's just a guess on my part) of Americans are on board with that stuff (which I have an unkind opinion of). Is that a low enough percentage to call it "extreme"?

You also have me wondering about the John Birch Society, whose name I sometimes hear in a perjorative way. I looked it up on Wikipedia (probably not the greatest source), and it sounded like they were for some pretty standard conservative fare (only the religious stuff bothered me any). Would some kind lizard educate me on what epsecially whacky thing they might be famous for?

As to the 'revolution' thing, that's certainly more hyperbole, and Beck, himself, has clarified that what he means is a "civil war" - in a non-military sense (which still leaves it at a hyperbole level). The grain of truth being exaggerated can be seen in the dramatic increase in gun sales since the election, and in the tea parties. Try to dismiss it as some sort of Paulian thing all you want, but the fact is that an idle comment in a rant by an obscure business reporter struck enough of a nerve that ordinary people who normally don't get involved in politics are gathering by the hundreds and thousands where they never used to before. Clearly this is some sort of sign that a significant number of ordinary people are getting pretty ticked off about what the govt is doing these days. "Revolution"? Maybe not. But something pretty unusual is going on.

333 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:53am

re: #332 Optimizer

So you know almost nothing about the John Birch Society, but you're going to defend them anyway? I suggest you do a little more research into their past support for segregation and their insane conspiracy-mongering. Even William F. Buckley called them "paranoid," and tried to distance the conservative movement from them. Now Glenn Beck and people like you who can't be bothered to learn their history are pulling them back into the mainstream.

I suggest you look through the Glenn Beck videos at YouTube, if you think his talk about 'revolution' is just harmless hyperbole. It's a constant recurring theme on his show.

Since you also defend End Timers and creationists against charges of extremism, I'm beginning to understand where you're coming from.

334 Optimizer  Sat, May 16, 2009 12:33:23pm

re: #333 Charles
I wasn't defending the John Birch guys (how could I, and why would I, if I don't know about them?). I was asking about them. 'Caus I don't know about them.

I'm also not defending End Timers or Creationists - just saying that if you want to call them "extremists" (which I'm not taking a stand on - just exploring the question) then we got an awful lot of extremists in the US, and that paints a quite different picture of America (as a nation of extremists) than I would have previously considered.

Normally I think in terms of neo-nazis holed up in some paramilitary camp, or some Al Quada cell when I hear "extremist", but really this just gets back to why I dislike the term. It's way too vague, and can mean different things to different people.

You know, late in life I came to learn (much to my surprise) that my own father was a Creationist. Aside from that anachronistic belief, he was the epitome of what most people would call a "pretty darned respectable guy". Lumping him in with Neo-nazis and terrorists would tend to take away from the rather threatening connotation that "extremist" usually evokes - at least for me.

My mother is an End Timer. If you want to call that little old lady an "extremist", well ... that one actually I'm less inclined to debate! I mean - the woman speaks in tongues, for cyring out loud...

I just wasn't sure if you were calling the End Timers and Creationists "kooks" or "extremists" (the way you put it, any particular item could be either one or both), and I guess you have cleared that up. And I hope that clarifies where I'm really coming from, myself.

335 shortshrift  Sat, May 16, 2009 1:03:29pm

re: #320 Athos

I appreciate your reply.
The idea that "core middle-American support" for the GOP is being lost because it sees the GOP as being captive of the fringe, should be examined more carefully.
What is "core middle-America"? The Independent swing vote? Geographic middle? Socio-economic middle ? The abstract " ordinary American man-in-the-street"?
In all the post-election analysis of voter patterns, I saw nothing that suggested creationism/ID was a significant issue nationally. I do not deny that at the local, school board level, creationists/ID supporters are represented by republicans, but at that level the loons are the majority. There are great numbers of religious zealots in certain localities - particularly in the South. It may be that creationism/ID should be banned in science class at the national level - but that raises not just first amendment, but federalist constitutional problems. I do not deny that national GOP politicians may believe in creationism/ID for religious reasons, but polls have been consistent that the ordinary American man-in-the-street approves of religion, believes in God, and disapproves of atheism. And the average, not particularly religious, American voter whose school district does not teach creationism/ID, probably has no more idea what it is than than he knows who Geert Wilders is or can name the current pope. Should that voter chance to see Tancredo (was that who it was?) squirm on TV by refusing to answer whether he believes in evolution, he will probably side with Tancredo against the bullying of the questioner. Evolution in any case is probably not something he thinks often about in his daily life.
With respect to the reputation of the GOP for being racist, fascist, Nazi, militaristic, imperialist , stupid, stone-age - what's new? The partisan left sincerely believes that the essential conservative beliefs of limited government, free markets, patriotism, individual freedom are euphemisms disguising profoundly immoral and inhumane policies. They have always claimed the moral high ground. They poured contempt upon "compassionate conservatism". What they "hang around the the neck" of the GOP is conservatism, as much as it is religious kookery. Simply because the MSM, being leftist, exposes and mocks the right fringe more than the left, is not evidence that conservatives are being taken over by the fringe, nor that the fringe is in reality growing in importance. Air time is not a proxy for the breadth or depth of acceptance of the views aired.
Of course individuals do not like being associated with nuts. But party identification is not a subtle way to predicate yourself. (And let us not fall into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy). No doubt some GOP voters are more nuanced than others. But that is what political parties are: associations of knaves and fools. Just ask the other side. Yet one side or the other always wins elections.
What we are actually witnessing now is the cracking of the two-party system. A whole separate ball of wax.

336 quiet man  Sun, May 17, 2009 11:14:40am

re: #323 Jimbouie

So did I. If only Beck wasn't the one to bring it up! Now, ACORNs crimes will be overshdowed, ignored, then dismissed, again.

If only Dan Rather could have been at the FAX machine at the right moment.

easy smile


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