The Moronic Convergence of ID Creationism and Islamic Creationism

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“Intelligent design” creationist Denyse O’Leary interviews Islamic creationist Adnan Oktar (aka Harun Yahya); bug-eyed insanity ensues: Interview with Turkish Darwin doubter Adnan Oktar.

O’Leary calls Oktar’s book The Evolution Deceit: “the most succinct and comprehensive of the critiques of overblown claims for Darwinian evolution that I have ever read.”

Other books by Adnan Oktar include Holocaust Deception and Global Freemasonry. No word from O’Leary on whether she also considers those works “succinct and comprehensive.”

(Hat tip: Panda’s Thumb.)

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1007 comments
1 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 2:55:42pm

Really nice company the IDers are keeping.

2 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 2:57:39pm

Any Port in a storm me thinks.
Exit question. Is Adnan Oktar the same guy as Harun Yahya?

3 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 2:58:11pm

UGGGHHHHH

4 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 2:59:05pm

re: #2 Truck Monkey

Any Port in a storm me thinks.
Exit question. Is Adnan Oktar the same guy as Harun Yahya?

Yes...

5 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #2 Truck Monkey

Any Port in a storm me thinks.
Exit question. Is Adnan Oktar the same guy as Harun Yahya?

Apparently, see the "aka" comment.

6 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:00:45pm

re: #5 avanti

Apparently, see the "aka" comment.

I'm such an Idiot. I should have caught that.

7 Trapgun  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:05:19pm

I like the black cover theme they are running with.

8 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:05:34pm

He's also a big cheese in Islamic apocalyptic. Google "harun yahya" and "kitab al-fitan" - 409 results! The Fitan is pretty valuable among modern scholarship into Syrian apocalyptic of the early 'Abbasid age. Actual Muslims, though, if they weren't Umayyad hardliners and/or crazy, long ago decided that the book was full of weak hadith and heresy.

I guess not anymore!

9 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:06:07pm

re: #7 Trapgun

I like the black cover theme they are running with.

Comes with a spiffy-looking matching shirt, I imagine...

10 zuckerlilly  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:07:39pm

80 per cent of the students at the university of Ankara belief in creationism.

11 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:08:12pm
12 Trapgun  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:09:52pm

I wonder if the books have to be read back to front and right to left, same as the logic.

13 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:10:00pm

Q:How can you deny something when there are books published about it?
A:"You are the children of the father of lies. He was a liar and a murder from the beginning."

/pitui!

14 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:11:48pm

re: #6 Truck Monkey

I'm such an Idiot. I should have caught that.

At least you didn't spent 10 minutes looking for your glasses when you were wearing them. Welcome to my world. :)

15 slartybartfast  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:13:01pm

Why do people try to make the Bible (or the Qu'ran, for that matter) out to be some "divine science textbook?"

Leave science to explain how the universe came into existence and how the creatures that inhabit our planet came to be. But, accept (with thankfulness and awe) that religion leads us to understand WHY these things are.

16 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:14:47pm

re: #14 avanti

It is not the glasses as much as the gray matter behind the eyes I am starting to worry about.

17 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:19:59pm

Profound ignorance knows no boundaries.

18 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:21:25pm

re: #16 Truck Monkey

It is not the glasses as much as the gray matter behind the eyes I am starting to worry about.

Tell me about it. I walk over to my tool box, and have no idea what I needed just 15 seconds ago.

19 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:21:25pm

Oktar sure likes to throw around the word "deceit".

20 Gella  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:21:32pm

both of them talking out of their asses

21 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:22:20pm
ADNAN OKTAR: I realized while I was still in high school that there was something odd about World War I, World War II and revolutions. Because people do not suddenly wake up one day and decide to start slaughtering their neighbors or ruining and devastating a country. I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy. I was terribly distressed by the way people were suffering so much, by the oppression and injustice they were being subjected to, and decided to wage an intellectual campaign against Darwinism to the utmost of my powers.

I wonder if these people lack critical thinking skills altogether. News flash for mr oktar- war has been raging on this planet since the beginning- LONG before evolution was a twinkle in the eye of anyone.

It is not due to Darwin or evolution, but rather human nature that wars are waged. Man's insatiable need to control others. Nothing more, nothing less.

22 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:23:09pm

From the comments over there:

Thank you, Mrs O’Leary. There has never been enough humor published on UD.

I personally am eagerly awaiting Mr Oktar’s new work, “Fly Fishing Among the Armenians and Kurds of Eatern Turkey - A Continuing Problem of Freemasonry”.

Tee hee! (remember the fishing lure he posted?)

23 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Oktar sure likes to throw around the word "deceit".

Projecting methinks.....

24 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:24:36pm

re: #14 avanti

At least you didn't spent 10 minutes looking for your glasses when you were wearing them. Welcome to my world. :)

I spent an entire day looking for my I-pod in my one bedroom apartment and vehicle after returning from my 1256 mile journey to Michigan. I gave up thinking I somehow lost it during the long drive. 2 weeks later I lift up a sheet on my bed and there it was just resting on the floor. I couldn't begin to think of how it got there.

25 ladycatnip  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:24:37pm
Oktar: I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy. I was terribly distressed by the way people were suffering so much, by the oppression and injustice they were being subjected to, and decided to wage an intellectual campaign against Darwinism to the utmost of my powers.

The first comment posted is great - what was the cause of wars before Darwin appeared on the scene?

26 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:25:14pm

This interview is so laden with lies and distortions, it's impossible to decide where to start. Well- I started with the war thing, but after that- it's a real crap shot.

27 mr.JA  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:28:15pm

I already knew that creationist have very little rationale, but this is just plain ridiculous.

If they really think rationally and scientifically, let them offer a scientific explanation of how the first cell came into being. Chance has no place in science, yet if you ask them, they will answer in terms of chance. We ask how the first protein formed, and they say by chance. We ask how the eye or wing formed, and again they say by chance. In other words, all we are looking at is a string of fantastical tales.

The irony some drips off it... I'm really kinda lost for words... the only thing I can come up with is:
Good grief.

28 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:28:59pm

re: #24 Idle Drifter

I spent an entire day looking for my I-pod in my one bedroom apartment and vehicle after returning from my 1256 mile journey to Michigan. I gave up thinking I somehow lost it during the long drive. 2 weeks later I lift up a sheet on my bed and there it was just resting on the floor. I couldn't begin to think of how it got there.

Gremlins, I hate the damn things. Always moving things around and hiding my keys.

29 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:29:08pm
The Egyptians also believed that life emerged spontaneously from the muddy waters of the Nile. The theory of evolution is a superstitious belief that has been around ever since and that is not supported by a shred of scientific evidence.

On the contrary, no matter what branch research or investigation may be conducted in, it has every time been proven that evolution is not possible.

Delusional.

30 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:31:45pm
If they really think rationally and scientifically, let them offer a scientific explanation of how the first cell came into being.

How about this, mr oktar?

31 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:33:18pm
A profound silence reigns whenever the subject of fossils is raised.

Bold
Faced
Liar

32 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:37:12pm

Richard Dawkins on Harun Yahya’s Atlas of Creation

33 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:39:19pm

re: #2 Truck Monkey

Any Port in a storm me thinks.

Maybe Oktar loves her like only a fashionably brown man can.

(Hey Denyse: Your mom spelled "Denise" wrong.)

/brought to you by People Against Gratuitous Y's

34 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:39:30pm

re: #28 JCM

Gremlins, I hate the damn things. Always moving things around and hiding my keys.

My parents at times refer to their children as gremlins while looking for the TV remote or a screw driver. It somehow it seems funny 10-20 years later though at the time I was resentful looking for something I rarely got to control.

35 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:39:37pm

I was the first person to mention Harun Yahya here (or probaly on any US political blog), wayyy back when during arguments with folks about evolution. I brought him up to point out there was a major Islamic creationist movement in addition to the well-known Christian one, and that if we allow the Christian version to be taught in schools, we'd have to allow the Muslim version too.

Needless to say, much dissension occurred. Leave it at that.

I had found out about Harun Yahya in the early part of the decade, while researching [mumble mumble mumble].

36 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:40:41pm

re: #11 Zimriel

As Denyse O’Leary if she agrees that the rebuilding of the Reichstag after 1945 is a sign that the Mahdi is coming.

One of the pictures there implies that Macs are evil.

37 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:42:26pm

It's the weekend, so Obama becomes a soccer dad

Awww!

/and then it's back to destroying capitalism

38 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

One of the pictures there implies that Macs are evil.

But only if they're built backwards (take a close look at the Apple logo on the tower).

39 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:43:24pm

re: #24 Idle Drifter

I spent an entire day looking for my I-pod in my one bedroom apartment and vehicle after returning from my 1256 mile journey to Michigan. I gave up thinking I somehow lost it during the long drive. 2 weeks later I lift up a sheet on my bed and there it was just resting on the floor. I couldn't begin to think of how it got there.

You need to change your sheets more often.

/ducking

40 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:43:58pm

re: #38 gmsc

But only if they're built backwards (take a close look at the Apple logo on the tower).

It is maarah!

41 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:46:09pm

Oktar has a missing link between his only two neurons

42 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:46:26pm

re: #35 zombie

I had found out about Harun Yahya in the early part of the decade, while researching[mumble mumble mumble].

TURKISH COFFEE!

Don't worry, your secret is safe with us.

The guy's name sounds like he should be a world music singer. "Yahya" is close enough to "Yahoo" to be poetic, though.

43 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:47:05pm

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

You need to change your sheets more often.

/ducking

Every 2 weeks is my average.

44 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:47:40pm

Hmmm, can't find my early comments, but I did find this comment referring to them:

"395 zombie 7/13/2008 5:38:00 pm PDT

As the only person here (or any other blog, most likely) who's ever attended a Harun Yahya presentation in person, I can say that they do seem to have lots of money, but even American Muslims are mystified who is funding them.

I went to a Muslim conference/convention a few years ago, going undercover in a (failed) attempt to pass as Muslim, and at this conference one of the presentations was by some Harun Yahya representatives. They had a lot of slick printed materials, PowerPoint presentations, kiosks, etc. And the representatives were obviously well-coached in their shpiel. They were the most professional group at the entire conference. Somebody was funding this propaganda push, all the way from Turkey to San Francisco.

I had never heard of Harun Yahya at the time, and, interestingly, neither (apparently) had any of the Muslims there either. They all seemed quite curious as to who these strange science-spouting Turks were, and a lot of probing questions were asked.

It remained a mystery, to them and to me.

(I was shortly thereafter nearly "outed" and had to bail out prematurely. i never blogged about it because of that.)"

45 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #42 Pawn of the Oppressor

TURKISH COFFEE!

Don't worry, your secret is safe with us.

The guy's name sounds like he should be a world music singer. "Yahya" is close enough to "Yahoo" to be poetic, though.

But it's not close to Yuban.

46 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:47:55pm

Fast forward to 2016:

Won't it be rewarding to know, as we trudge off in single file in our government issued grey wool union suits to the windmill fields to plant beets amongst the bearers of electricity, that we successfully kept those nasty old ID'ers from teaching this slop to 8th graders in science class.

What a sense of relief it will give us to know that when we sit down to read five times a day from our Little Purple Book of Obama we stopped the scourge of that ugly far right.

And as we bask in the glory of knowing that The One has successfully been elected to his Third Term as President we can all huddle around the corn burner at night and tell the children of the great Revolution of 2011 when the Keepers of the Constitution were defeated and the Workers Party of America (WPA) prevailed - science had been protected and the evangelicals had been banished to their catacombs never to see the light of day again. Hallelujah!

48 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:49:30pm

re: #46 Afton

Hey, is that sarcasm?
/

49 Son of the Black Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:50:33pm

re: #9 Zimriel

Comes with a spiffy-looking matching shirt, I imagine...

IIRC, the shirts would be brown, accessorized with a Sam Browne Belt.

50 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:51:03pm

re: #46 Afton

We should let the IDers have their way, so we can be as advanced as Turkey.

51 FightingBack  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:51:07pm

re: #41 Shug

Oktar has a missing link between his only two neurons

The spirochete holding them together died.

52 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:51:59pm

re: #46 Afton

Fast forward to 2016:

Won't it be rewarding to know, as we trudge off in single file in our government issued grey wool union suits to the windmill fields to plant beets amongst the bearers of electricity, that we successfully kept those nasty old ID'ers from teaching this slop to 8th graders in science class.

What a sense of relief it will give us to know that when we sit down to read five times a day from our Little Purple Book of Obama we stopped the scourge of that ugly far right.

And as we bask in the glory of knowing that The One has successfully been elected to his Third Term as President we can all huddle around the corn burner at night and tell the children of the great Revolution of 2011 when the Keepers of the Constitution were defeated and the Workers Party of America (WPA) prevailed - science had been protected and the evangelicals had been banished to their catacombs never to see the light of day again. Hallelujah!

Another vote for living in ignorance, this time from a contributor who can't conceive that it is possible to do more than one thing at a time.

53 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:52:58pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

We should let the IDers have their way, so we can be as advanced as Turkey.

Speaking of deficits, he has a karma deficit.

54 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:54:01pm

re: #51 FightingBack

The spirochete holding them together died.

He was with the girl from Treponema

55 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:55:08pm

Semi-ot: Another one of those sad cases of anti-science parents.....
DA says Wis. girl's diabetic death was 'needless'

The mother of a diabetic 11-year-old girl knew her daughter was dying but disregarded advice from other family members to seek medical attention, prosecutors said Saturday.

Leilani Neumann, 41, told a friend that "she sensed the spirit or Angel of Death present at her home" shortly before her daughter Madeline died, Marathon County Assistant District Attorney LaMont Jacobson said in opening statements.
.....
Neumann sent an e-mail saying, "Help, our daughter needs emergency prayer," but refused advice from her mother-in-law to rush the girl to a doctor," he said.

Linehan said his client "honestly believes that she was doing the right thing for her daughter" and said prayer was a way of life in the family.

56 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:55:31pm

re: #32 Gus 802

When the video got to the Caddis Fly at 9:35 had me ROFLMAO.
Hook, hook, there's the hook!

57 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:55:40pm

What an afternoon. Weeds are whacked, pool is up and filling. We have moonbat mckinney on the previous thread and now Christian and Muslim IDers. I need a beer!

58 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:56:39pm

re: #46 Afton

Fast forward to 2016:

Won't it be rewarding to know, as we trudge off in single file in our government issued grey wool union suits to the windmill fields to plant beets amongst the bearers of electricity, that we successfully kept those nasty old ID'ers from teaching this slop to 8th graders in science class.

What a sense of relief it will give us to know that when we sit down to read five times a day from our Little Purple Book of Obama we stopped the scourge of that ugly far right.

And as we bask in the glory of knowing that The One has successfully been elected to his Third Term as President we can all huddle around the corn burner at night and tell the children of the great Revolution of 2011 when the Keepers of the Constitution were defeated and the Workers Party of America (WPA) prevailed - science had been protected and the evangelicals had been banished to their catacombs never to see the light of day again. Hallelujah!

In your dreamworld, what happens to those of us who are faithful religious folks but who also believe in the importance of protecting science education, as well as the importance of keeping religious education OUT of the hands of the state and leaving it to those who are most qualified to teach it, that is, churches, priests and pastors, and parents?

59 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:57:03pm

did the horses already race?

60 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:57:20pm

re: #56 Idle Drifter

When the video got to the Caddis Fly at 9:35 had me ROFLMAO.
Hook, hook, there's the hook!

That was pretty funny. The hook is perfect since it summarizes the IDers ability for observation -- which is almost non-existent. They also used a fly casting spider as well.

61 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:57:42pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Semi-ot: Another one of those sad cases of anti-science parents.....
DA says Wis. girl's diabetic death was 'needless'

Good grief.
Prayer is a way of life in our family too.
And God tells me that we should help ourselves along with up-to-date medical care when necessary.

62 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:57:49pm

re: #59 Shug
Yep. The filly won.

63 afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:58:21pm

re: #53 Ward Cleaver

Speaking of deficits, he has a karma deficit.

I'd gladly invite you to look back at my comments that have gathered me this "negative karma" - in the vast majority of those comments I spoke of Conservatism and the fight against Leftists in this country. My comments, up until now, were not regarding this charade of an issue, but spoke of the Leftists' attack on America's conservatives.

The fact that I have a "negative karma" should speak volumes.

64 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:58:22pm

re: #57 pingjockey

Weeds are whacked

/murderer

65 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:58:29pm

re: #9 Zimriel

Comes with a spiffy-looking matching shirt, I imagine...

Give them any color so long as it's brown.

66 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:58:43pm

re: #59 Shug

did the horses already race?

Yes, they did!
Rachel Alexandra won.
But if the race had been any longer, Mine that Bird may have been able to catch up and pass her.

67 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:59:00pm

re: #46 Afton
What are you smoking? Science is not faith, faith is not science.

68 AuntAcid  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:59:08pm

re: #58 reine.de.tout

In your dreamworld, what happens to those of us who are faithful religious folks but who also believe in the importance of protecting science education, as well as the importance of keeping religious education OUT of the hands of the state and leaving it to those who are most qualified to teach it, that is, churches, priests and pastors, and parents?

think bottled water, canned food and ammo...

69 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 3:59:52pm

re: #64 Killian Bundy
Damn straight. Tomorrow is chemical warfare day!

70 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:00:23pm

Gus, you about ready to get the backhoe and start back filling? ;-)

71 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #68 AuntAcid

think bottled water, canned food and ammo...

He really just left out a complete mid-section of thought. His dream seems to have accommodated only two viewpoints, one on each extreme; and there are so many more.

72 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:00:45pm

re: #66 reine.de.tout
Caught the relpay. That horse was in the back of the pack and lost by a head.

73 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:00:55pm

re: #63 afton

Have a martyr cookie. You are obviously looking for them.

74 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:01:11pm

re: #63 afton

Charade of an issue? So long genius.

75 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:01:44pm

re: #70 pink freud

Gus, you about ready to get the backhoe and start back filling? ;-)

For whom? :)

76 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:01:52pm

re: #63 afton

The fact you attacked Mr Bawer speaks volumes.

77 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:02:07pm

re: #75 Gus 802

63.

78 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:02:33pm

re: #72 pingjockey

Caught the relpay. That horse was in the back of the pack and lost by a head.

that horse apparently always starts off in the back of the pack.
He was at the back 'til about halfway thru, it seemed to me.
He made up a great deal of ground there at the very end; but got boxed in and lost some time there.

As these things go, I thought it was a very exciting race.

79 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:02:47pm

OT, protests about the ones visit to ND, but no protests about the vile anti semitism at UCI.

80 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:02:49pm

re: #77 pink freud

Right. You read my mind. The hole is ready!

//

81 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:02:52pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Prayer is a way of life in our family too.
And God tells me that we should help ourselves along with up-to-date medical care when necessary.

Then there was the weird animal transitions photos.

82 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:02:56pm

Frankly, I can do without hatchlings with attitude problems

83 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:03:15pm

re: #46 Afton

Fast forward to 2016:

Right, because the only thing propping up civilization is... A handful of noisy, inbred, ignorant idiots who can't drag their worldview out of the dark ages. Gotcha.

84 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:03:22pm

re: #63 afton

I'd gladly invite you to look back at my comments that have gathered me this "negative karma" - in the vast majority of those comments I spoke of Conservatism and the fight against Leftists in this country. My comments, up until now, were not regarding this charade of an issue, but spoke of the Leftists' attack on America's conservatives.

The fact that I have a "negative karma" should speak volumes.

You only just registered about a month ago. Why?

85 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:03:26pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Yeah, those stories always bum me out.

86 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:03:38pm

Fascinating, Afton.

How can you make a comment like this and think that "less government" means the government should promote something out of its sphere of influence?

87 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:03:58pm

re: #64 Killian Bundy

/murderer

Great googaly moogaly...

Now I've got another reason to carry a big 'ol can of bear mace with me when I go into the woods.

88 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:04:18pm

re: #83 Pawn of the Oppressor
Sheesh. And I thought the only thing propping up wester civ was...BEER!

89 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:05:09pm

re: #80 Gus 802

just remember to get the backhoe on over to Pelosi, she' not done with it yet.

90 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #84 reine.de.tout

You only just registered about a month ago. Why?

Good evening Reine..Hope today finds you well..
I'm standing right here..Just in case

91 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:05:32pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Right. You read my mind. The hole is ready!

//

It'd be a kindly thing to oblige self-diggers.

92 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:05:59pm

re: #87 SixDegrees
Those people are just nuts.

93 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:06:09pm

re: #46 Afton

I've read through this little dystopian agrarian fantasty a couple of times now. I'm not sure, but what I think I'm getting from it boils down to something like this: "Charles, why are you so obsessed with attacking Christians, when the evil forces of Communism have all but finished conquering our country?"

I'm also getting just a faint whiff of Paulism. It's that part about how "the Keepers of the Constitution were defeated" (Afton's capitals, not mine). A lot of times when there's stuff about "statists" or the Constitution, it's a Paulian deal. Not sure about that though.

94 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:06:13pm

re: #89 irongrampa

just remember to get the backhoe on over to Pelosi, she' not done with it yet.

Pelosi will need a larger bucket come Monday. /

95 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:06:23pm

How the hell is creationism going to save us from socialism?

How is teaching ID going to protect my Constitutional rights?

How is rejecting science pro-American?!

96 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:07:16pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Yeah, those stories always bum me out.

Me too.
If a kid can't count on his parents to do whatever is necessary to protect him during our life here on earth, then who can he count on?

97 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #91 pink freud

It'd be a kindly thing to oblige self-diggers.

He seemed to have stopped all of the sudden. Drive-by possibly. I thought that charade comment would send him into the hole.

98 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:08:29pm

Government sanctioned Creationism...Department of Religion...National Church of God...Bureau of Adjustment...etc

99 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:08:41pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops

Good evening Reine..Hope today finds you well..
I'm standing right here..Just in case

Why, thanks HH!
Honestly - why would someone register at a place just to come in and insult it, the owner and the people who make comments?

What kind of bitterness makes a person do that?

100 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:08:49pm

re: #93 Last Mohican
I know a whole bunch of active duty, retired, and former military who take exception to the phrase "keepers of the constituition were defeated". Says who?

101 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:09:54pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

The self-righteous kind.

Howdy, Reine!

102 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:10:16pm

re: #98 albusteve
Damn, where's a proctor when we need one! RHH reference.

103 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:10:25pm

re: #101 pink freud

The self-righteous kind.

Howdy, Reine!

Howdy, Pinkie!
And thank you, you know what for.

104 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:10:33pm

Dumb and evil always do better in crowds.

105 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:10:46pm

re: #92 pingjockey

Those people are just nuts.

There is serious mental illness on display in that video. The kind that needs treatment. Instead, these fruitloops are reinforcing each other's delusions and encouraging them.

I feel like mailing them all boxes of toothpicks. Or bags of wood chips.

106 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:10:48pm

O'Leary is offering prizes for outstanding stupidity in the service of idiocy:

[Link: collidinguniverses.blogspot.com...]

Why just be a commenter when you can also earn free stuff that is worth money?

Recently, I asked for and received 25 prizes, as follows:

10 DVDs of Expelled,courtesy the producers[snip]

I will pose a question based on a recent news story, and ask for responses within two weeks. I will publish the winning response in a subsequent post.[snip]

Rules:

1. No more than 400 words in response. I will select the response I find most interesting and print it as a post. Be succinct.

2. New ideas impress me, even if I disagree. Rants and myths don't. Re abuse: Uncommon Descent is not competing for Troll Hole of the Year, so ...

3. I will not correspond with anyone about the award. My In Tray is already a natural disaster. If you don't win, try again. And who knows, if this contest takes off, I may be offered more prizes.

.

107 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:11:13pm

This story fell through the cracks.....
Was Alleged Massachusetts Spree Killer a Neo-Nazi? Keith Luke Makes it Official

Keith Luke — the 22-year-old white supremacist accused of carrying out a racially motivated rape and murder spree in Brockton, Mass., the day after Barack Obama was inaugurated as the nation’s first black president — appeared in court last week with a jagged swastika freshly carved into his forehead.

I guess that settles it.

108 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:11:17pm

re: #63 afton

I'd gladly invite you to look back at my comments that have gathered me this "negative karma" - in the vast majority of those comments I spoke of Conservatism and the fight against Leftists in this country. My comments, up until now, were not regarding this charade of an issue, but spoke of the Leftists' attack on America's conservatives.

The fact that I have a "negative karma" should speak volumes.

I'm hardcore.

Life
Liberty
Property

Check my karma.

Oh, I'm an Evangelical Christian too, just for a little icing.

109 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:12:27pm

re: #108 JCM
You also live on the wrong side of the mountain!

110 Altermite  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:13:08pm

OT:

Wondering what people know about Ahmadinejad's challenger:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090516/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_elections?
He seems to be calling him out on holocaust denial, which is a good thing, although I'm not sure how far moderate goes in Iran.

111 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:13:08pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout
Charlie Manson wannabe?!

112 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #109 pingjockey

You also live on the wrong side of the mountain!

But at least my brain ain't all dried out!

It's got mold and moss growing on it!

113 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:14:01pm

re: #63 afton

I'd gladly invite you to look back at my comments that have gathered me this "negative karma" - in the vast majority of those comments I spoke of Conservatism and the fight against Leftists in this country. My comments, up until now, were not regarding this charade of an issue, but spoke of the Leftists' attack on America's conservatives.

The fact that I have a "negative karma" should speak volumes.

Don't flatter yourself, putz...

114 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:14:33pm

re: #112 JCM
Heh. Supposed to be 90 on Monday. It is about 80 today.

115 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:15:09pm

Anti creation, pro nazi I wonder what the odds are this genius is a troofer as well?

116 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:16:04pm

re: #46 Afton

The Glenn Beck style of ridiculous rant seems to be catching on.

117 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:16:12pm

re: #115 jhrhv
I have been watching "Rescue Me". One of the fireman is a troofer.

118 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:16:20pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

Why, thanks HH!
Honestly - why would someone register at a place just to come in and insult it, the owner and the people who make comments?

What kind of bitterness makes a person do that?

Really..{Reine}
I've suggested Charles put template form letters under the tools..
There have been several lizards that have composed some genius stuff..
:)

119 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:16:39pm

re: #114 pingjockey

Heh. Supposed to be 90 on Monday. It is about 80 today.

71° gotta' watch out for heat stroke! This keeps up gonna' have to crank up the AC.

120 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:16:46pm

re: #89 irongrampa

The politico shows tomorrow AM should be chock full of Pelosi under glass. Should be fun.

121 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:17:10pm

re: #63 afton

The fact that I have a "negative karma" should speak volumes.

Could you please elaborate on what your negative karma score means?

122 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:17:37pm

re: #119 JCM
That is getting nice over there. It is the middle of May!

123 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:18:08pm

re: #120 jhrhv

The politico shows tomorrow AM should be chock full of Pelosi under glass. Should be fun.

/she's refused all invites

124 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:18:46pm

re: #121 Last Mohican

Could you please elaborate on what your negative karma score means?

IQ?

125 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:18:53pm

re: #117 pingjockey

I have been watching "Rescue Me". One of the fireman is a troofer.

Isn't the actor playing the troofer fireman a troofer? I mean talk about dividing by zero.

126 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:19:17pm

re: #122 pingjockey

That is getting nice over there. It is the middle of May!

Heck, 3 days ago I had a fire in the fireplace.

'bout time global warming got here!

127 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:19:21pm

re: #123 Killian Bundy
Really? Not even Steffis show?

128 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:19:26pm

re: #117 pingjockey

I have been watching "Rescue Me". One of the fireman is a troofer.

because he knows that never before has fire melted steel

/

129 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:20:09pm

re: #125 Idle Drifter
WHAT?! I didn't know that.

130 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:20:10pm

re: #121 Last Mohican

Could you please elaborate on what your negative karma score means?

Probably means that what he has said most decent lizards have disagreed with.

131 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #123 Killian Bundy

/she's refused all invites

Gee, I wonder why...

/because Pelosi would get killed on the Sunday show circuit

132 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:20:59pm

re: #129 pingjockey

Let me check that real quick and i'll post a link.

133 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:21:15pm

re: #127 pingjockey

Really? Not even Steffis show?

She'll be . . . scarce.

/want to get away?

134 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:21:29pm

re: #108 JCM

I'm hardcore.

Life
Liberty
Property

Check my karma.

Oh, I'm an Evangelical Christian too, just for a little icing.

JCM:
Registered since: Jun 26, 2005 at 12:34 pm
No. of comments posted: 43,486
No. of links posted: 118
Karma: 30,742

Afton
Registered since: Apr 19, 2009 at 7:08 pm
No. of comments posted: 39
No. of links posted: 0
Karma: -76

You know what Afton's problem is? Not being conservative enough. Afton, you just gotta veer a little farther to the right, and those positive karma points will start to flow.

Another good strategy is to step up your attack on Charles for spending time on that "charade of an issue" creationism. Or by "charade of an issue" did you mean holocaust denial?

135 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:21:43pm

re: #121 Last Mohican

Could you please elaborate on what your negative karma score means?


It's the product of what you say multiplied by how you say it.

136 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:22:17pm

re: #117 pingjockey

I've never watched it. That is too much what an insult.

137 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:22:31pm

re: #133 Killian Bundy
Ahahaha! That's a riot.

138 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:23:32pm

One of the most moronic things about this convergence is that Oktar's Islamic creationism has no respect for O'Leary's Intelligent Design creationism.

...
Therefore, it is important to remember that to struggle against Darwinism and other systems that oppose the idea of creation is an act of worship commanded in the Qur’an.

The result of such worship is absolutely in the hands of Allah.

Allah has made human beings responsible only for telling others about religious morality.

Trying to show people the right path through intellectual explanations or the most obtuse philosophies is totally contrary to the Qur’an.

Science and intellectual knowledge have no power of their own; they cannot direct people to the right path.

This power belongs only to Allah, the Lord of Earth and heaven.

Muslims attitudes must be clear.

As we said earlier, those who accept the theory of intelligent design generally hesitate to mention the name of Allah.

Linky thing (quotation is from near the bottom.)

Whereas the Uncommon Descent folks say:

At the same time, intelligent design (ID) offers a promising scientific alternative to materialistic theories of biological and cosmological evolution — an alternative that is finding increasing theoretical and empirical support. Hence, ID needs to be vigorously developed as a scientific, intellectual, and cultural project.
139 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:23:44pm

re: #131 talon_262

Gee, I wonder why...

/because Pelosi would get killed on the Sunday show circuit

Nah! The question would be like this:

Talking head: Speaker, isn't the CIA lying to congress A CRIME!

Blinky: Why yes, I believe it is, I'm calling for an investigation.

140 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:23:49pm

re: #32 Gus 802
Thank you Gus 802,

I am an African Ape, closely related to chimpanzees and bonobos.
---
And I am a great (-great-...)-grand child of a Lemur-like animal living 46.5 million years ago.

141 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:24:22pm

re: #130 BlueCanuck

Probably means that what he has said most decent lizards have disagreed with.

I was curious to know what "volumes" his negative karma score speaks, to him. Maybe it just goes to show how this is a secret left-wing commie blog where a true conservative gets shunned.

142 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:24:31pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Semi-ot: Another one of those sad cases of anti-science parents.....
DA says Wis. girl's diabetic death was 'needless'

I guess they didn't believe in the idea of God guiding a doctor's hands. Good grief.

143 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:24:41pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

If you're still here I'd like to know the format for Cookbook submissions. I know you want it as a doc file but what's the format for margins and spacing?

144 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:25:12pm

re: #132 Idle Drifter

Here's one on Philly.com.
I don't think this is the best reference I'll look for more.

145 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:25:27pm

re: #123 Killian Bundy

Not a surprise really. Pelosi lied people lived. Just doesn't have the same ring to as the thing they used to say about Bush when he kept us all safe terrorist and moonbats.

146 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:25:44pm

re: #115 jhrhv

Anti creation, pro nazi I wonder what the odds are this genius is a troofer as well?

Oktar thinks Darwinists carried out the attack.

147 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:26:36pm

re: #140 callahan23

Thank you Gus 802,

I am an African Ape, closely related to chimpanzees and bonobos.
---
And I am a great (-great-...)-grand child of a Lemur-like animal living 46.5 million years ago.

We're related!

And here I thought I was a mere cat.

//

148 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:27:24pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Prayer is a way of life in our family too.
And God tells me that we should help ourselves along with up-to-date medical care when necessary.


I always wondered why people with deeply held religious beliefs never bothered to wonder if God had meant for them to utilize God-created-man made advances in medicine. That doesn't mean that this poor young man would necessarily benefit from chemo, but what has neglecting treatment thus far wrought?

149 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:27:37pm

re: #125 Idle Drifter

Isn't the actor playing the troofer fireman a troofer? I mean talk about dividing by zero.

Reading the Philly.com article, it's the character, not the actor.

150 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:27:40pm

re: #146 Zimriel

Oktar thinks Darwinists carried out the attack.

Wow. Darwin was responsible for Hitler, Fidel Castro, and the 9/11 attacks. And here I thought he was just a nice old dude with a beard who sat around looking at finches.

151 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:27:48pm

re: #144 Idle Drifter

Here's a youtube video:

Straight from the horse's mouth. With a T-shirt to boot.

152 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:28:16pm

Awfully quiet in here.

/even with Afton

153 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:28:20pm

re: #147 Gus 802

We're related!

And here I thought I was a mere cat.

//

Surely brother, we are related.
/ we are after all Lizardim. ;-)

154 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:28:21pm

re: #147 Gus 802

We're related!

And here I thought I was a mere cat.

//

A meerkat?

155 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:28:40pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

This story fell through the cracks.....
[swastika carved in his forehead]

I guess that settles it.

That's gonna be awkward at the parole hearings.

156 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:28:50pm

re: #148 ilzito guacamolito

I always wondered why people with deeply held religious beliefs never bothered to wonder if God had meant for them to utilize God-created-man made advances in medicine. That doesn't mean that this poor young man would necessarily benefit from chemo, but what has neglecting treatment thus far wrought?

Most of us do. We're quite religious, and June went through chemo, surgery, more chemo, and radiation.

157 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:29:12pm

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

Reading the Philly.com article, it's the character, not the actor.

See my #151, I think it is the actor along with the character.

158 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:29:21pm

re: #151 Idle Drifter
Goddamn moron!

159 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:29:30pm

Found this.

Harun Yahya, belonging to a noble lineage of Ottoman Empire, has been engaged in intellectual activities and struggles since his early school years. He was sentenced to prison several times and according to his press agent, is now working on some books to reveal the deceptions and frauds of Freemasonry and Zionism.

That's from a recent article at Middle East Online.

First Published 2009-05-13
On Darwinism

160 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:30:03pm

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

Most of us do. We're quite religious, and June went through chemo, surgery, more chemo, and radiation.


I realize that. As did my mother and mother-in-law. I just don't understand the extreme.

161 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:30:25pm

re: #150 Last Mohican

Wow. Darwin was responsible for Hitler, Fidel Castro, and the 9/11 attacks. And here I thought he was just a nice old dude with a beard who sat around looking at finches.

I'm thankful to Darwin for the American Revolution.

162 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:30:55pm

Darwin also caused Ishtar and Gigli

163 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:31:26pm

re: #152 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Awfully quiet in here.

/even with Afton

Seems to have skedaddled.

164 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:31:40pm

re: #159 Gus 802

It's da Jooos, no wait, it's da Freemasons, no that ain't right...it's the Darwinists!

165 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:31:41pm

re: #162 Shug

Darwin also caused Ishtar and Gigli

Stone him!

166 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:32:05pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

A meerkat?

Exactly. I like the way they stand on their hind legs.

167 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:32:08pm

Damn you Darwin for the Peloponnesian War!

168 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:32:27pm

re: #164 pingjockey

It's da Jooos, no wait, it's da Freemasons, no that ain't right...it's the Darwinists!

Wasn't Darwin funded by the Tri-Lateral Commission?

169 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:32:30pm

re: #146 Zimriel

What a shock. I'm glad there are places like LGF so that I don't have to think the whole world has gone mad.

Afton that doesn't include you.

170 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:32:43pm

re: #159 Gus 802

"... a noble lineage of ['the', I assume] Ottoman Empire ..."

That could explain nothing ... or a lot.

171 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:32:46pm

re: #163 JCM

Seems to have skedaddled.

All the sock puppet and sleeper accounts must be blocked.

172 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:33:08pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

Damn you Darwin for the Peloponnesian War!

Let's get to the root of it.

Damn you Darwin for causing Cain to murder Abel!

173 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:33:29pm

re: #163 JCM

Seems to have skedaddled.

Maybe Afton's tired of playing 3-D chess in a 2-D world...

///

174 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:33:56pm

re: #164 pingjockey

It's da Jooos, no wait, it's da Freemasons, no that ain't right...it's the Darwinists!

The man is off his rocker. I was searching for some connection to 911 truthers. Found something about him being a guest at "American Freedom Radio."

175 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:34:01pm

re: #163 JCM

Seems to have skedaddled.

Yeah, I even checked his data. Still registered.
That first one was a hoot.

176 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:34:11pm

re: #172 JCM

Let's get to the root of it.

Damn you Darwin for causing Cain to murder Abel!

Not only that, but I haven't been able to drive out to the grocery store for the last hour, because I can't find my car keys.

DAMN YOU DARWIN!

177 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:34:12pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

Damn you Darwin for the Peloponnesian War!

And the Original Coke vs. New Coke debacle.

178 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:34:15pm

re: #158 pingjockey

Goddamn moron!

I guess you can say he wasn't acting.

179 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:34:45pm

Afton also supports Michelle Bachmann:

Bachmann's now a kook or an extremist because she speaks Conservative talking points and had the "nerve" to question Obama's patriotism and long term goals.
...
Don't be fooled - an attack on Bachmann's "social" or "religious" positions is nothing but a smokescreen for the Left being very afraid she's gonna gain traction with her asking Tim Geithner how constitutional his TARP plans are or her call for limited government.

Lulz @, "don't be fooled". He's on to us!

180 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:34:59pm
181 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #170 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That could explain nothing ... or a lot.

When I see lineage I do think about genetic lineage. You know what they say about royals.

182 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:35:08pm

re: #174 Gus 802
Never heard of it!

183 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:35:13pm

re: #175 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah, I even checked his data. Still registered.
That first one was a hoot.

Still logged in, too. I'm hoping he's typing up an elaborate flounce-off.

184 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:35:27pm

re: #151 Idle Drifter

Here's a youtube video:


[Video]

Straight from the horse's mouth. With a T-shirt to boot.

That incredible stupidity just takes my breath away. I am speechless.

185 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:36:27pm

re: #172 JCM

Let's get to the root of it.

Damn you Darwin for causing Cain to murder Abel!

Darwin was the serpent!

186 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:36:40pm

Some music for the stalkers...

187 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:37:03pm

re: #184 callahan23
The set ought to be an interesting place, especially if for real firefighters show up.

188 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:37:32pm

re: #179 Zimriel

Afton also supports Michelle Bachmann:

Lulz @, "don't be fooled". He's on to us!

Gee, I didn't realize I was a key player in a Vast Leftist Conspiracy.
(can I feel self-important for just a moment? ... before I add the sarc?)

189 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:38:13pm

re: #179 Zimriel

Afton also supports Michelle Bachmann:


Lulz @, "don't be fooled". He's on to us!

Zimriel, the fact that you would not want to agree with Bachmann's conservative principles should not come as any surprise. I really don't care that you are relishing the current Leftist state emerging in America, but your attacks do peel away that mask you used to wear.

190 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:38:28pm

Damn you Darwin for causing Adam to take the apple from Eve.
/

191 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:38:28pm

re: #182

pingjockey

Never heard of it!

Some weird internet radio. If it's even for real. It's titled under Truth Jihad Radio with a Kevin Barrett. The announcement read as follows:

THE RADIO SHOW THAT WILL DRIVE RICHARD DAWKINS CRAZY!

Saturday, May 2nd, 5-7 pm Central (6-8 p.m. Eastern), on American Freedom Radio: First hour: Bestselling Turkish author Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar). The world's best-known Islamic creationist, Harun Yahya is a controversial, accomplished activist who argues for peace and interfaith dialogue while standing firm by the tenets of Islam as he sees them. (I wonder what he'll have to say about 9/11...)

192 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:38:30pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

If you're still here I'd like to know the format for Cookbook submissions. I know you want it as a doc file but what's the format for margins and spacing?

Kilgore - don't worry about format, margins, spacing.

single spaced is fine.
We'll do the rest.

We even have spell-check :-) just in case it's needed.

193 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:38:36pm
194 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:38:54pm

re: #188 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, I didn't realize I was a key player in a Vast Leftist Conspiracy.
(can I feel self-important for just a moment? ... before I add the sarc?)

Hey man, you ain't nothing until you've been insulted on one of the stalker blogs.

195 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:40:09pm

re: #148 ilzito guacamolito

I always wondered why people with deeply held religious beliefs never bothered to wonder if God had meant for them to utilize God-created-man made advances in medicine. That doesn't mean that this poor young man would necessarily benefit from chemo, but what has neglecting treatment thus far wrought?

One would assume that brains, being part of God's creation, were meant to be used.

The creationists apparently don't feel this way, and prefer glandular secretion to thinking.

196 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:40:19pm

re: #181 Gus 802

When I see lineage I do think about genetic lineage. You know what they say about royals.

That, and the likelihood of the Ottoman nobility having become utter dilettantes by a century ago.

197 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:40:41pm

re: #189 Afton

Zimriel, the fact that you would not want to agree with Bachmann's conservative principles should not come as any surprise. I really don't care that you are relishing the current Leftist state emerging in America, but your attacks do peel away that mask you used to wear.

You seem to relish the idea of a theocracy.

198 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:40:48pm

re: #184 callahan23

That incredible stupidity just takes my breath away. I am speechless.

Being an Evolution thread it seems appropriate to display a dead end to human evolution.

199 Tigger2005  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:41:03pm

Just posting this letter again I received at the (progressive, evolution-accepting) New Thought Christian non-profit organization I work for. Kinda illustrates the unplumbed depths of ignorance we are facing here:

Dear Pastor,

Jesus stated "You will know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

Please all ministers keep preaching on the evolution thing and NO one has ever stated the truth ... beside that of Jesus Christ.

We COULD NOT have evolved from any apes or animals...

TRUTH is ... it is in the BLOOD.

We know of the sacrifice of Christ with His shed blood and Why...

Please realize if we were descendants from apes, elephants or what then we would stock pile their blood in case of emergencies, blood transfusions and in times of war etc.

PLEASE, PLEASE tell the truth and let man get back to seeing God.

Thank you for reading this and in hopes, prayer that other ministers, either through a convention or by mouth ... begin to share this thought.

Agape,

XXXXX XXXXXXXX

200 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:41:49pm

re: #189 Afton

Zimriel, the fact that you would not want to agree with Bachmann's conservative principles should not come as any surprise. I really don't care that you are relishing the current Leftist state emerging in America, but your attacks do peel away that mask you used to wear.

That's pretty rude. You don't know what Zim's principles are, or Rep. Bachmann's for that matter.

201 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:41:58pm

Who is Michelle Bachmann? And why should I care?

202 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:42:41pm

re: #198 Idle Drifter

Being an Evolution thread it seems appropriate to display a dead end to human evolution.

So why couldn't these folk just receive the Darwin-Awards?
/

203 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:43:12pm

re: #202 callahan23

So why couldn't these folk just receive the Darwin-Awards?
/

Not smart enough?

204 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:43:20pm

re: #193 taxfreekiller

Ah I see your Tea Party is sponsored by Ron Paul's "Dallas Campaign for Liberty" and Glenn Beck's "Dallas 9-12 We Surround Them". Carry on. Just sayin'.

205 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:43:25pm

re: #190 callahan23

Damn you Darwin for causing Adam to take the apple from Eve.
/

The whole problem was not kicking the shit out of any snake that talks to you.. I mean..The second we have a snake sweet talk Eve we have real problems...If Barry White isn't crooning in the background then mankind is in some deep pucky...
Bitch set me up!

206 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:43:37pm

re: #197 JCM

You seem to relish the idea of a theocracy.

I relish: small and limited federal government, individual property rights, Constitutional adherence, strong national defense, free market capitalism and the pursuit of happiness.

How does that differ from you?

207 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:43:50pm

re: #189 Afton

So, what was your previous LGF account's username?

208 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:44:22pm

As I recall Darwin never tried to disprove anything. He just saw the similarities and how animals seemed to have adapted to live in their surroundings. It was a priest or monk that when growing peas that found that recessive qualities bread themselves out which was something Darwin could never get his head around. I think that happened pretty close to the time of Darwin's death. Darwin never wanted to take on the whole God issue. At least that's how I remember it. Been a few years since I read that book.

Now some useless tool nuts are blaming him for 9/11 etc.
/science

209 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:44:35pm

re: #192 reine.de.tout

Kilgore - don't worry about format, margins, spacing.

single spaced is fine.
We'll do the rest.

We even have spell-check :-) just in case it's needed.

btw, are these recipes being TESTED?
How do we know they're SAFE?
If a Lizard comments that he/she is gonna try one tonight, then isn't heard from again ... is that a bad sign?

/... :D ... running like hell

210 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:44:53pm

re: #207 Charles
You got some 'splainin' to do afton! Mwahahaha!

211 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:45:11pm

re: #199 Tigger2005

Please realize if we were descendants from apes, elephants or what then we would stock pile their blood in case of emergencies, blood transfusions and in times of war etc.

Well, I still vote Republican, bcz I'm kinda forced to...

212 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:45:11pm

re: #201 pingjockey

Who is Michelle Bachmann? And why should I care?

She's a U.S. Congresswoman who is willing to stand up to Obama and the Left and call them on their shift to Socialism. I'd say that is worth noting.

213 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:45:36pm

re: #207 Charles

So, what was your previous LGF account's username?

Uh oh...

214 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:45:50pm

re: #189 Afton

Bachmann, besides being a kook, is ignorant of much about that which she speaks.

In the last couple of weeks she flatly stated errors regarding:

(1) flu outbreaks
(2) history of Smoot-Hawley

in the most public of fashion...

She has so much egg on her face IHop uses her as a supplier.

215 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:45:59pm

re: #207 Charles

Nice pic.

216 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:46:01pm

re: #201 pingjockey

Who is Michelle Bachmann? And why should I care?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Apparently, she's the GOP's Cynthia McKinney.

217 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:46:08pm

re: #213 HoosierHoops

Uh oh...

I have a feeling he already knows.

218 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:46:20pm

re: #189 Afton

Zimriel, the fact that you would not want to agree with Bachmann's conservative principles should not come as any surprise. I really don't care that you are relishing the current Leftist state emerging in America, but your attacks do peel away that mask you used to wear.

Afton,

Am I a Leftist too?

pBMb

219 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:46:36pm

re: #212 Afton

She's a U.S. Congresswoman who is willing to stand up to Obama and the Left and call them on their shift to Socialism. I'd say that is worth noting.

Bachmann is a kook.

220 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:46:40pm

re: #212 Afton

She's a U.S. Congresswoman who is willing to stand up to Obama and the Left and call them on their shift to Socialism. I'd say that is worth noting.

How has she stopped anything? By asking the Treasury Secretary questions meant for the Attorney General?

221 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:47:50pm

re: #220 Sharmuta
Ah ha. Thanks all.

222 itellu3times  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:47:58pm

re: #46 Afton

And the evangelicals will say, "See, I told you so!", and the few who realize that they actually caused this, are proud of it.

223 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:48:04pm

re: #216 SixDegrees

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Apparently, she's the GOP's Cynthia McKinney.

Yep, Bachmann's the one that got in all kinds of trouble for saying, during the Presidential campaign, that Barack Obama had "UnAmerican" ideas...obviously she was really mistaken, yes?

224 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:48:20pm

re: #215 ilzito guacamolito

Nice pic.

Yeah, did the avatar evolve or devolve?

225 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:49:34pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

Yeah, did the avatar evolve or devolve?

HA!

226 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:49:55pm
227 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:50:05pm

re: #218 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Afton,

Am I a Leftist too?

pBMb

I think I'm starting to get it. There are exactly two forces in the universe. You have the conservative true American keepers of the Constitution, and you have the leftist commie darwinist Christian-haters. Every person, thing, or idea in the universe belongs to one of those.

So yes, you are a leftist, you leftist you. Me too. We're all leftists. Only leftists are allowed on this leftist lefty blog.

228 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:50:08pm

re: #223 Afton

Yep, Bachmann's the one that got in all kinds of trouble for saying, during the Presidential campaign, that Barack Obama had "UnAmerican" ideas...obviously she was really mistaken, yes?

I don't know if you've noticed, but 0bama is in the dog house with the left for not pushing an anti-American agenda. So-- perhaps she was mistaken.

229 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:50:08pm

re: #224 wrenchwench
I kinda liked the Gorn looking pic.

230 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:50:16pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

That's pretty rude. You don't know what Zim's principles are, or Rep. Bachmann's for that matter.

What I'm trying to get my head around is, why would I bother wearing a mask? Did I have hundreds of conservative admirers out there whom I've deceived all this time, who would be heartbroken if I revealed I was a Leftist?

The spam filter must have deleted all my fan mail. I'll never know the names of my groupies, and never receive that cut of the dues in my fan club. Sigh.

231 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:50:39pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

Yeah, did the avatar evolve or devolve?

Devolved, in that the photo was undoubtedly much larger to begin with.

232 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:51:53pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

How has she stopped anything? By asking the Treasury Secretary questions meant for the Attorney General?

You're right of course. She really should just sit down and shut up and vote for the Stimulus bills and more TARP.

233 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:52:03pm

O'Leary is also trying to insert the supernatural into neuroscience -

[Link: www.blogparanormal.com...]

Asserting that a non material mind controls the material brain, she is of course completely unable to give any meaningful suggestion of how exactly a non material thought or feeling is supposed to 'prod', 'nudge' or otherwise affect a physical entity in the brain.

234 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:52:07pm

re: #227 Last Mohican
Except these "true keepers" want to trash the 1st amendment!

235 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:52:17pm

re: #230 Zimriel

What I'm trying to get my head around is, why would I bother wearing a mask? Did I have hundreds of conservative admirers out there whom I've deceived all this time, who would be heartbroken if I revealed I was a Leftist?

That's what Charles did. It's true, I read it on the stalker blogs! He's a secret leftist, who wore a conservative mask for a long time, as a means of deceiving the True Conservative Americans and thereby conning them out of their fruit cup.

236 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:52:22pm

re: #232 Afton

Are you capable of lodging a real argument, or just fallacies?

237 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:52:47pm

re: #206 Afton

I relish: small and limited federal government, individual property rights, Constitutional adherence, strong national defense, free market capitalism and the pursuit of happiness.

How does that differ from you?

I also believe the push for creationism is dangerous.

I was prepared to go the other way on the debate. Then I read the Wedge Document (among other things), the entire push is not about faith it's about political power, the proponents are flat out lying. It's also not science. I believe in God and his creation, but that is belief, faith, not science. I have no need of scientific proof to substantiate my faith.

I also belief in Liberty, the same Liberty endowed to us by our Creator. The Liberty to choose. To choose belief, non-belief or anything in between, of allowing everyone the same choice God gave man in the beginning.

238 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:53:11pm

re: #232 Afton

You're right of course. She really should just sit down and shut up and vote for the Stimulus bills and more TARP.

Isn't this what's called a "false dichotomy"? These are her only two choices? Really?

239 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:53:14pm

re: #232 Afton

What kind of Leftist am I, Afton?

240 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:53:16pm

re: #232 Afton

I'd, uhhh- worry about the questions other people have asked, btw.

241 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:53:23pm

re: #218 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Afton,

Am I a Leftist too?

pBMb

Of course, your berth was on the port side.

/;-P

242 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:54:05pm

re: #217 Noam Sayin'

I have a feeling he already knows.

me too.. Charles seems to keep a database of users over the years..
Most people can hide their name .. But Charles keeps records of visits in I'm sure many Matrix's and Stat's..
You are not going to fool Charles for very long..He really is a tech guy..I'm very impressed...

243 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:54:44pm

Darn. Sorry for my double, above.

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:05pm

re: #241 JCM

Of course, your berth was on the port side.

/;-P

How did you know?!
Oh yeah, you remember the back and forth with jwb7605

245 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:25pm

re: #223 Afton

Yep, Bachmann's the one that got in all kinds of trouble for saying, during the Presidential campaign, that Barack Obama had "UnAmerican" ideas...obviously she was really mistaken, yes?

You have a lot of trouble seeing The Big Picture. Are you legally able to drive? 'Cause the Smith System seems like it would cause you serious difficulties.

246 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:32pm

re: #228 Sharmuta

I don't know if you've noticed, but 0bama is in the dog house with the left for not pushing an anti-American agenda. So-- perhaps she was mistaken.

Thanks for explaining to me how Barack Obama has been a beacon of American pride over the past four months. I clearly missed it. I'll be sure to put one of his bumper stickers on.

247 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:41pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'd, uhhh- worry about the questions other people have asked, btw.

The one he or she should worry about is the one from Charles. Ignore that, and *poof*.

248 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:42pm

re: #242 HoosierHoops

me too.. Charles seems to keep a database of users over the years..
Most people can hide their name .. But Charles keeps records of visits in I'm sure many Matrix's and Stat's..
You are not going to fool Charles for very long..He really is a tech guy..I'm very impressed...

I think I hear the whistle of Stinky's stick....

249 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:42pm

re: #242 HoosierHoops

Stinky is flipping through old volumes of the Guest Register as we speak. Some of the pages are a little hard to read, because people spilled some merlot or chocolate pudding or whatever on them.

250 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Really nice company the IDers are keeping.

And it's a frakkin' shame.

ISLAM DELENDA EST.

251 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:56:30pm

re: #247 wrenchwench

The one he or she should worry about is the one from Charles. Ignore that, and *poof*.

That's the only one I was talking about.

252 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:56:41pm

re: #249 Last Mohican

Stinky is flipping through old volumes of the Guest Register as we speak. Some of the pages are a little hard to read, because people spilled some merlot or chocolate pudding or whatever on them.

Hey, I wiped it up as well as I could....

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:56:46pm

re: #249 Last Mohican

Somebody has pudding?

254 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:57:11pm

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What kind!

255 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:57:22pm

re: #246 Afton
Where in hell do you get the idea that we are sticking up for obambi? He has some apologists here, but not many.

256 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:57:25pm

re: #207 Charles

So, what was your previous LGF account's username?

Busted...

/MUHAHAHAHA

257 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:57:25pm

re: #249 Last Mohican

Stinky is flipping through old volumes of the Guest Register as we speak. Some of the pages are a little hard to read, because people spilled some merlot or chocolate pudding or whatever on them.

Grease stains from the BBQ

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:58:21pm

re: #246 Afton

Hey Afton,

I gave President Obama a thumbs-up for giving the Navy permission to fire on the Somali pirates, and for saying he'd block release of prisoner-abuse photos.

259 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:58:29pm

re: #246 Afton

You have some of the weakest reasoning skills I have ever seen. You are incapable of lodging a real argument. False and absolute dichotomies are a logical fallacy. Please- try harder or be quiet.

260 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:58:35pm

re: #245 SixDegrees

You have a lot of trouble seeing The Big Picture. Are you legally able to drive? 'Cause the Smith System seems like it would cause you serious difficulties.

He's not so good at The Big Picture. Not so good at driving in general, actually. It's hard to get very far when all you can do is turn to the right as sharply as you can.

261 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:58:37pm

re: #257 Zimriel
Chimay Ale spills, etc...

262 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:58:58pm

Bumper sticker for Afton
[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

263 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:02pm

re: #259 Sharmuta

I'm surprised you didn't tell Afton to STFU.

264 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:15pm

re: #257 Zimriel

Grease stains from the BBQ

Or blood stains from the martyred trolls and mobys...

265 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:19pm

re: #248 JCM

I think I hear the whistle of Stinky's stick....

*whisper*
(just gimme a crack at this asshole, Stinky)

266 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:26pm

re: #261 pingjockey

Chimay Ale spills, etc...

Basil's, fruit cup, dobash crumbs ...

267 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:30pm

re: #263 Macker

I'm surprised you didn't tell Afton to STFU.

Why should I get all the fun? ;)

268 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:46pm

re: #255 pingjockey

Where in hell do you get the idea that we are sticking up for obambi? He has some apologists here, but not many.

If you don't agree with afton, you must agree with 0bama.

It's really pretty amazing that only three brain cells can produce logic like that. But billions of years of evolution will do that.

269 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 4:59:50pm

re: #209 pre-Boomer Marine brat

btw, are these recipes being TESTED?
How do we know they're SAFE?
If a Lizard comments that he/she is gonna try one tonight, then isn't heard from again ... is that a bad sign?

/... :D ... running like hell

No, not being tested by ME. I am assuming they've been tested by the donors of the recipe.

270 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:08pm

re: #237 JCM

I also believe the push for creationism is dangerous.

I was prepared to go the other way on the debate. Then I read the Wedge Document (among other things), the entire push is not about faith it's about political power, the proponents are flat out lying. It's also not science. I believe in God and his creation, but that is belief, faith, not science. I have no need of scientific proof to substantiate my faith.

I also belief in Liberty, the same Liberty endowed to us by our Creator. The Liberty to choose. To choose belief, non-belief or anything in between, of allowing everyone the same choice God gave man in the beginning.

Thank you from from the bottom of my (atheist) heard.
And may I say so, BLESS YOU.

271 Detector  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:11pm

I know it is a little off topic, but i just found this article in the norway post regarding jihadis in Norway.

Very disturbing, but in no way surprising.

Dec

From [Link: www.norwaypost.no...]

"The security branch of the Norwegian police (PST) say they have uncovered plans for terrorist attacks against targets in Norway, and that they have intervened against 25 Muslim fundamentalists that they believe planned terrorist acts against Norway and other nations.

- I can truly say that we have on several occasions sent persons out of the country who were about to do things that could have turned out to be very serious, says PST chief Joern Holme to NRK.

He says that they have also interviewed several persons who have been stopped and warned by the PST.

- We have said that we do not accept that they continue their activities in their extreme, violent circles, Holme says.

- It is important for us to prevent Norwegian youth from going on so-called Jihad-travels, which could mean that one carries out terrorist acts, and is willing to offer one's own life in terrorist acts, says Holme.

Holme says to NRK that he is talking about Norwegian as well as foreign citizens.

According to NRK, of the 25 persons young men referred to earlier in the story, none of them are of ethnic Norwegian background."

272 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:15pm

re: #258 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey Afton,

I gave President Obama a thumbs-up for giving the Navy permission to fire on the Somali pirates, and for saying he'd block release of prisoner-abuse photos.

We're on to you!

/;-P

273 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:35pm
274 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:37pm

re: #258 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey Afton,

I gave President Obama a thumbs-up for giving the Navy permission to fire on the Somali pirates, and for saying he'd block release of prisoner-abuse photos.

Commie.

/

275 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:47pm

"bug-eyed insanity ensues"

Cynthia McKinney was there too?

276 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:00:50pm

Afton , Don't stick
Your sock puppet out too far
It might go home
In another car


Burma Shave

277 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:01:06pm

re: #258 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey Afton,

I gave President Obama a thumbs-up for giving the Navy permission to fire on the Somali pirates, and for saying he'd block release of prisoner-abuse photos.

Did you give Obama a thumbs up for being the one that said that the prisoner abuse photos MUST be released or is the thumbs up for when he changed his decision?

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:01:07pm

re: #269 reine.de.tout

No, not being tested by ME. I am assuming they've been tested by the donors of the recipe.

*grin*
You're taking my earlier seriously.

279 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:01:10pm

Hey, ya know those little fish on the back of cars? I saw one that had little legs and had Darwin written inside the fish body.

280 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:02:45pm

re: #265 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*whisper*
(just gimme a crack at this asshole, Stinky)


BBQ is hot...For starters; pg 48 of the lizard cookbook..Songbird's famous Green Chili Stew..
We have lots to feed tonight

281 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:02:50pm

re: #277 Afton

Neither. I've been pissed that they even discussed releasing them at all.

282 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:03:12pm

re: #272 JCM

We're on to you!

/;-P

OMG !
I'M DOOMED !

283 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:03:12pm

re: #218 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Afton,

Am I a Leftist too?

pBMb

If you are, I need to move to the right to be a Commie. :)

284 Altermite  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:03:17pm

re: #279 pingjockey

Hey, ya know those little fish on the back of cars? I saw one that had little legs and had Darwin written inside the fish body.

Shortly after those came out, about a dozen alternate variations came out, with fish labeled jesus and truth eating the darwin fish.

285 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:03:42pm

re: #270 callahan23

Thank you from from the bottom of my (atheist) heard.
And may I say so, BLESS YOU.

You welcome, pretty basic IMHO.

286 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:03:43pm

re: #279 pingjockey

Hey, ya know those little fish on the back of cars? I saw one that had little legs and had Darwin written inside the fish body.

Been available for years from CSICOP.

Here ya go: [Link: csi-store.myshopify.com...]

287 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:04:26pm

re: #286 SixDegrees
Had never seen one before.

288 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:05:03pm

re: #277 Afton

What's important is that in the end he made the right decision. If/when he flip flops he can be taken to task for it then.

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:05:15pm

re: #277 Afton

Did you give Obama a thumbs up for being the one that said that the prisoner abuse photos MUST be released or is the thumbs up for when he changed his decision?

Don't evade.
Answer the question.

290 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:05:21pm

re: #278 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
You're taking my earlier seriously.

ya know, my bad . . . I read your first sentence or two and not the rest (must . . . learn . . . patience . . . )

291 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:05:22pm

re: #276 Shug

Afton , Don't stick
Your sock puppet out too far
It might go home
In another car

Burma Shave

The thing that people like Afton doesn't understand is that though some of us here were born at night, it sure wasn't last night.

/Game over, Afton...

292 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:05:34pm

re: #287 pingjockey

Had never seen one before.

You'll probably see more of them now that you know what to look for.

293 njdhockeyfan  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:05:40pm

re: #286 SixDegrees

Been available for years from CSICOP.

Here ya go: [Link: csi-store.myshopify.com...]

Lots more here.

294 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:06:12pm

I was recently discussing politics with a long time friend of mine, when he mentioned that we needed less government, not more. I was stunned. I looked at him and said, "Why do you vote for democrats if you think that?!" He said, "because republicans are stupid."

Afton is the poster child.

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:06:34pm

re: #283 avanti

If you are, I need to move to the right to be a Commie. :)

*grin*
up-ding!
Good one!

296 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:06:45pm

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't evade.
Answer the question.

Remind me, what was the question?

297 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:06:46pm

The IDers still bug the hell out of me. The Bible is for your soul/heart, not a science text book. Frakkin nut jobs.

298 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:07:08pm

re: #293 njdhockeyfan

Lots more here.

Bigoted bastards!

No Turtles All the Way Down Fish!

I DEMAND RESPECT!

/;-)

299 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:07:59pm

re: #290 reine.de.tout

ya know, my bad . . . I read your first sentence or two and not the rest (must . . . learn . . . patience . . . )

Bless you for doing all this!
{reine}

300 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:08:02pm

re: #296 Afton

Remind me, what was the question?

I'll remind you. I asked you: what was your previous LGF username? I already have a pretty good idea, but I'm curious to see how long you think you can get away with your sock puppet game.

301 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:08:11pm

re: #293 njdhockeyfan

Lots more here.

I like the "Lutefisk" version.

302 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:08:18pm

re: #298 JCM
But does a Galapagos tortise count as a turtle?

303 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:08:23pm

re: #279 pingjockey

Hey, ya know those little fish on the back of cars? I saw one that had little legs and had Darwin written inside the fish body.

Seen those. Thought it was clever in 1997 or so. Realised later on that it really wasn't so clever.

In fact, the decal is ignorant. From an evolutionary standpoint, amphibians are NOT "improvements" and certainly not replacements over the fish base. Every child knows that this particular mutation was an adaptation for a specific environment: one based in shallow water and land. In the environment of the deep sea, legs are harmful.

304 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:10:02pm


Seemed appropriate.

305 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:10:05pm

re: #296 Afton

Remind me, what was the question?

(from my #258) "I gave President Obama a thumbs-up for giving the Navy permission to fire on the Somali pirates, and for saying he'd block release of prisoner-abuse photos."

Now I'll ask the question, does this make me a Leftist?

306 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:10:13pm

re: #277 Afton

Did you give Obama a thumbs up for being the one that said that the prisoner abuse photos MUST be released or is the thumbs up for when he changed his decision?

Hell, I gave him a thumbs-up both times. Because, gosh darn it, I just love the man. Love him! I love everything he does. I love his awesome socialist ideas, his soothing voice, his handsome face, and his brilliant mind. I love his speeches, and actually I have completely filled my iPod with recordings of Obama speeches (and it's 40 gigabytes!). I own eight copies of The Audacity of Hope, just so I never have to go to another room when I want to pick one up and read it. When my wife had twins, I not only named one "Obama," but I also named the other one "Obama" too. Furthermore, I legally changed my own name to "Obama." And, so far, I have completed three of the six plastic surgeries that will be required to make me look more like Obama.

Oh no, I got excited and let my secret slip! Dammit!

307 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:10:19pm

They just can't stay away, they are obsessed

308 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:10:26pm

re: #303 Zimriel

Yep. Legs get in the way.

309 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:10:53pm

re: #300 Charles

I'll remind you. I asked you: what was your previous LGF username? I already have a pretty good idea, but I'm curious to see how long you think you can get away with your sock puppet game.

Afton, you are so busted!

/I'm laughing at your superior intellect...

310 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:11:09pm

re: #298 JCM

Bigoted bastards!

No Turtles All the Way Down Fish!

I DEMAND RESPECT!

/;-)

You'll have to make your own.
However, there are emblems for the Flying Spaghetti Monster

311 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:11:48pm

re: #305 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(from my #258) "I gave President Obama a thumbs-up for giving the Navy permission to fire on the Somali pirates, and for saying he'd block release of prisoner-abuse photos."

Now I'll ask the question, does this make me a Leftist?

No, that doesn't make you a Leftist.

312 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:11:53pm

re: #309 talon_262
KHAAAAAAAAAN!

313 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:12:28pm

Just arrived moments ago in the MoMail in-box -- a strange email challenging the basis of Christianity but using only bizarre distorted Islamic sacred texts as the basis of the criticism:

"From: FAZAL BISMIL
Subject: very important
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:50:43 -0700

Dear Sir,

Please incorporate my questions in you web

These people do not look into their own hearts, and do not
see that the Gospel is itself the target of countless objections.
Just imagine how strong the objection that falls upon
Maryas is, for she had pledged to serve the Temple all her
life and not to take a husband, but when her pregnancy became
apparent in its sixth or seventh month, the elders of
the community married her off to a carpenter by the name
of Joseph, while she was still with a child. And a mere
couple of months after going into his house, she gave birth
to a son who was named ‘Isa or Jesus. The first objection is
that, if this was indeed a miraculous conception, why did
they not wait until the child was born? The second objection
is that while Maryas had pledged to serve the Temple
for the rest of her life, why was this pledge broken and why
was she withdrawn from the Sacred House and given in
marriage to Joseph, the carpenter? The third objection is,
why was she married to Joseph during her pregnancy,
when it is strictly forbidden in the Torah, and when Joseph
himself was unhappy with the marriage and he already had
a wife living with him. Those who are against polygamy
are perhaps unaware of Joseph’s first marriage. A critic,
therefore, has every right to conclude that this marriage
was affected because the elders of the community suspected
Maryas of having conceived illegitimately.

Best Regards,

fazal ullah bismil
Karachi-Pakistan"

314 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:12:31pm

re: #310 Kosh's Shadow

You'll have to make your own.
However, there are emblems for the Flying Spaghetti Monster

The "Cthulhu" decal is good, I'll admit.

315 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:13:47pm

(Maryas = The Virgin Mary, for those not familiar with Islamic terminology.)

316 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:13:48pm

re: #311 Afton

No, that doesn't make you a Leftist.

But Afton, I was being positive about Obama.

I was giving him more time to implement his Communist agenda.

Be consistent.

Grow some balls.

317 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #313 zombie

Ya get some whacked mail!

318 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:14:27pm

re: #279 pingjockey

Hey, ya know those little fish on the back of cars? I saw one that had little legs and had Darwin written inside the fish body.

Heck with the fish, go all the way!

319 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:14:28pm

re: #302 pingjockey

But does a Galapagos tortise count as a turtle?

All Testudines count.

320 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:14:49pm

re: #311 Afton

No, that doesn't make you a Leftist.

Shut the hell up and answer Charles..He asked you a question..
nobody cares about anything else about you

321 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:14:55pm

re: #312 pingjockey

KHAAAAAAAAAN!

I wondered how many people would get the Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan reference.

/Trek fan, but not a Trekkie... ;-P

322 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:15:05pm

re: #316 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But Afton, I was being positive about Obama.

I was giving him more time to implement his Communist agenda.

Be consistent.

Grow some balls.

Being ill-informed doesn't make you a Leftist.

323 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:15:10pm

re: #316 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you're not a leftist in that situation, perhaps afton is?

Someone has to be the leftist!

324 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:15:18pm

re: #309 talon_262

Afton, you are so busted!

/I'm laughing at your superior intellect...


Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !

325 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:15:33pm

re: #313 zombie

I think he must have confused you with spider-man.
Everybody knows zombies don't have webs in which to incorporate things, just spider man.

326 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:15:47pm

re: #318 wrenchwench
That's frakkin' great!

327 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:16:07pm

re: #310 Kosh's Shadow

You'll have to make your own.
However, there are emblems for the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Do agnostics have to put one of each on their cars?

;-)

328 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:16:41pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

If you're not a leftist in that situation, perhaps afton is?

Someone has to be the leftist!

Someone call me ?

329 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:16:47pm

re: #322 Afton

Being ill-informed doesn't make you a Leftist.

But being fair to a political opponent when they make the right decision does?

330 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:16:53pm

re: #322 Afton

Being ill-informed doesn't make you a Leftist.

How was I ill-informed, Afton?
State that clearly and completely.

/and ignore the sensation of fingertips where your hairs are short

331 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #314 Zimriel

The "Cthulhu" decal is good, I'll admit.

I didn't find that one, but I like the Gefilte fish one.

332 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:17:13pm

Afton = Glen Beck = embarrassment to conservatives

333 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:17:26pm

re: #313 zombie

Ouch. That gave me a headache.

334 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:17:39pm

re: #313 zombie

zombie:
Should you choose to reply, please do not attach this.

335 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:18:00pm

re: #328 avanti

Didn't you know? We're all leftists now. You are late to the party!

336 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:18:12pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Shut the hell fuck up and answer Charles..He asked you a question..
nobody cares about anything else about you

There, fixed that for ya!

337 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:18:40pm

re: #327 JCM

Do agnostics have to put one of each on their cars?

;-)

They could use this one but Peta might not like it.

338 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:18:51pm

re: #328 avanti

Someone call me ?

Oh good, you're still here!
PLEASE occupy Sharm while I get Afton to plant his ass in the bear-trap.

:D

339 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:19:21pm

re: #332 jhrhv

Afton = Glen Beck = embarrassment to conservatives

Same with Bachmann.

340 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:19:23pm

re: #336 Macker

There, fixed that for ya!

MACKER! Da man is in da house..Good evening..

341 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:19:28pm

re: #337 Kosh's Shadow

They could use this one but Peta might not like it.

ROFL!

Sea Kittens!

I like that one......

343 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:19:42pm

re: #335 pingjockey

Didn't you know? We're all leftists now. You are late to the party!


re: #335 pingjockey

Didn't you know? We're all leftists now. You are late to the party!


Compared to Beck and Afton, maybe.

344 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:19:50pm

Rest assured, the Mahdi will not come.

1) There does not yet exist enough Viagra™re: #208 jhrhv

As I recall Darwin never tried to disprove anything. He just saw the similarities and how animals seemed to have adapted to live in their surroundings. It was a priest or monk that when growing peas that found that recessive qualities bread themselves out which was something Darwin could never get his head around. I think that happened pretty close to the time of Darwin's death. Darwin never wanted to take on the whole God issue. At least that's how I remember it. Been a few years since I read that book.

Now some useless tool nuts are blaming him for 9/11 etc.
/science

You are thinking of Gregor Mendel.

Mendel read his paper, "Experiments on Plant Hybridization", at two meetings of the Natural History Society of Brünn in Moravia in 1865. When Mendel's paper was published in 1866 in Proceedings of the Natural History Society of Brünn,[3] it had little impact and was cited about three times over the next thirty-five years. His paper was criticized at the time, but is now considered a seminal work.

In Origin of Species, Darwin did indeed speculate on the existence of not-yet-known mechanisms of inheritance, thereby anticipating the work of Mendel, and the whole field of genetics. Darwin was careful to explain that such mechanisms were not central to the ideas he was presenting, and that, generally speaking, they would not be discussed further. He was not so much dismissing their potential importance as he was acknowledging general ignorance, and his own, about the how of inheritance.

345 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:20:07pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh good, you're still here!
PLEASE occupy Sharm while I get Afton to plant his ass in the bear-trap.

:D

I will resist occupation! Oh, wait.

346 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:20:08pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I think it's already there. Stinky is just drawing out the suspense!

347 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:20:33pm
348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:20:44pm

re: #346 pingjockey

I think it's already there. Stinky is just drawing out the suspense!

heh
I hope so.

349 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:20:57pm

re: #344 abolitionist

Not only that, it'd make one hell of an unholy mess....

350 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:21:01pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

I will resist occupation! Oh, wait.

{Sharm} !

351 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:21:23pm

re: #343 avanti
Heh. Beck ain't a conservative or is but not my type. I don't like lunatics on either side.

352 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:21:58pm

re: #328 avanti

Purdy funny there...

353 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:22:14pm
354 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:22:41pm

Hmm, Afton says that President Obama did NOT give an authorization for the Navy to take out the Somali pirates?

Is that what you're saying, Afton?
Is that how I am misinformed?

355 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:22:49pm

re: #344 abolitionist
Help. IIRC wasn't Mendel before Darwin? I'm confused.

356 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:22:58pm

re: #351 pingjockey

Heh. Beck ain't a conservative or is but not my type. I don't like lunatics on either side.

You know it's bad when you find yourself agreeing with the ivory tower types.

/jindal

357 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:23:17pm

re: #353 Kosh's Shadow

But - that will produce more CO2! Oh no!
//////

Simple solution.

Cap carbon emissions from congress.

358 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:23:26pm

For Afton

359 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:23:26pm
360 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:23:41pm

re: #330 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How was I ill-informed, Afton?
State that clearly and completely.

/and ignore the sensation of fingertips where your hairs are short

You're ill informed on his decision about the prisoner abuse photos. His intention, his desire was to publish those - it was HIS idea to do that. The fact that someone slapped him silly on it and made him turn his back on his convictions, doesn't mean that he was completely pissed that he didn't get his way. He wanted those photos published. He didn't shoot someone else's bad idea down. It was his idea.

361 SixDegrees  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:23:56pm

re: #353 Kosh's Shadow

But - that will produce more CO2! Oh no!
//////

I think the Dems need a new slogan for 2010 and beyond. "The Party of Broken Dreams" has a nice ring to it.

362 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:25:24pm

Todo Los Lizardim -

BS - IS - BS - no matter which anus POOPS it. That is all.

-S-

363 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:25:37pm

re: #356 pink freud

Yep. It is a pain. But sheesh, Beck, Luap Nor, McKinney, et al...just lower the whole discourse to shit level.

364 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:26:01pm

re: #359 Charles

Damn. Malcolm McDowell has played some sick motherfrakkin' characters in his career, hasn't he.

365 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:26:05pm

re: #359 Charles

Ruh roh.

366 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:26:32pm

re: #360 Afton

You're ill informed on his decision about the prisoner abuse photos. His intention, his desire was to publish those - it was HIS idea to do that. The fact that someone slapped him silly on it and made him turn his back on his convictions, doesn't mean that he was completely pissed that he didn't get his way. He wanted those photos published. He didn't shoot someone else's bad idea down. It was his idea.

So the fact that he did back down means absolutely nothing?

So he might as well have gone ahead and okayed their release?

367 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:26:39pm

charles, the New avatar.

It's so..........human

368 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:26:43pm

re: #313 zombie

Just arrived moments ago in the MoMail in-box -- a strange email challenging the basis of Christianity but using only bizarre distorted Islamic sacred texts as the basis of the criticism:

"From: FAZAL BISMIL
Subject: very important
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:50:43 -0700
...
fazal ullah bismil
Karachi-Pakistan"

The claim that Mary was pledged to serve in the Temple comes from sura 3; also, the Mubtada of Ibn Ishaq translated Newby, "The Making of the Last Prophet", 207-8. I'm interested that this mail didn't bring up sura 19 (Nativity under a palm tree, not in a barn).

There is no record of Joseph's polygamy in the Qur'an and I don't see it in the Mubtada. So if there was such a tradition it has got to be post-Umayyad.

Mubtada has also nothing about when Joseph married Mary. (The Bible doesn't say much either.) Fornication is against Torah but I would be very surprised to find that "making an honest woman of 'er" would be considered a sin rather than a good deed.

I do expect that question "when did Joseph marry Mary" was asked in Islam and I wouldn't be surprised to find it in post-Umayyad literature...

Anyway, part of the source texts are legit, but it looks like he's reliant on some late and dubious hadith to supplement them.

369 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:27:09pm

re: #364 Macker
The dude can play twisted very well.

370 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:27:20pm

re: #361 SixDegrees

I think the Dems need a new slogan for 2010 and beyond. "The Party of Broken Dreams" has a nice ring to it.

In which case, I dedicate this to them:

371 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:27:24pm

re: #363 pingjockey

Yep. It is a pain. But sheesh, Beck, Luap Nor, McKinney, et al...just lower the whole discourse to shit level.

"These are NOT my people!"

372 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:28:13pm

re: #363 pingjockey

ping -

Luap Nor and Mc Kinney ARE B.S. - Glenn Beck - not so much. That is all.

-S-

373 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:28:30pm

re: #360 Afton

I asked you nicely to address Charles' question to you..Charles has shown great patience with your bullshit tonight..But when you get banned forever don't go crying everywhere on the Internet that he was so mean to you...
He called you out and you are a coward..Straight up

374 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:28:33pm

Lets see, it omits pertinent information, starts always with ad hominem... hrmmm I don't think it's IQ is 167. Still thinking here on what that familiar smell is.

375 dmandman  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:28:49pm

re: #359 Charles

unfortunately Great Britain has become Clockwork Orange. Can anyone show me what is different between the way things are now and what was potrayed in the movie.

376 jhrhv  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:28:58pm

re: #344 abolitionist

Thanks for that. I believe I read about that in Bill Brysons a A Short History of Nearly Everything great read.

377 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:29:11pm

re: #375 dmandman

unfortunately Great Britain has become Clockwork Orange. Can anyone show me what is different between the way things are now and what was potrayed in the movie.

You can't smoke in the pubs now

378 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:29:34pm

re: #375 dmandman

unfortunately Great Britain has become Clockwork Orange. Can anyone show me what is different between the way things are now and what was potrayed in the movie.

Um...Islamofascists?

379 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:29:42pm

There was another example of this kind of convergence right here in Lubbock recently: Local Muslims sided with fundamentalist churches in opposing the alcohol sales initiative in the May 9th election. Note that the latter are practically 100% creationist as well.

380 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:29:47pm

re: #372 Dr. Shalit
Have you heard some of the lunacy he has been spewing? I used to watch him on CNN. He has gone around the bend since he got on Fox. IMO.

381 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:29:59pm

re: #322 Afton

Being ill-informed doesn't make you a Leftist.

T-shirt for you.

382 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:30:27pm

re: #379 Shiplord Kirel

There was another example of this kind of convergence right here in Lubbock recently: Local Muslims sided with fundamentalist churches in opposing the alcohol sales initiative in the May 9th election. Note that the latter are practically 100% creationist as well.

They are natural allies

383 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:30:37pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Help. IIRC wasn't Mendel before Darwin? I'm confused.

Origin of Species was published in 1859. Mendel's works were published later, in 1866, but were rarely cited in the next third of a century.

384 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:30:51pm

Good versus Evil: The Afton Quiz

Assign each of the following to the proper one of the two dichotomous categories that exist in the universe: (A) True American Real Conservative Keeper of the Constitution, or (B) Leftist Commie Pinko Christian-Hating Darwinist. Each correct answer is worth ten points, and there is no penalty for guessing. The first ones are easy, but they get harder at the end.

1. Barack Obama
2. Michelle Bachman
3. Nancy Pelosi
4. TARP
5. Joe Lieberman
6. Pre-Boomer Marine Brat
7. Major league baseball
8. The Rio Grande
9. Ketchup
10. Gravity

385 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:05pm

re: #359 Charles

Adds a bit of dramatic tension to the room....

386 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:13pm

re: #366 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So the fact that he did back down means absolutely nothing?

So he might as well have gone ahead and okayed their release?

The backing down just means he's a whimp. And it should have never gotten to the point of them even being made available for release - he sponsored their release, thus he's the culprit.

387 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:15pm

re: #382 Thanos

I don't agree. Anything begat by Mo is unnatural.

388 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:27pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

Good versus Evil: The Afton Quiz

Assign each of the following to the proper one of the two dichotomous categories that exist in the universe: (A) True American Real Conservative Keeper of the Constitution, or (B) Leftist Commie Pinko Christian-Hating Darwinist. Each correct answer is worth ten points, and there is no penalty for guessing. The first ones are easy, but they get harder at the end.

1. Barack Obama
2. Michelle Bachman
3. Nancy Pelosi
4. TARP
5. Joe Lieberman
6. Pre-Boomer Marine Brat
7. Major league baseball
8. The Rio Grande
9. Ketchup
10. Gravity

ROFLMAO!

389 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:29pm

re: #380 pingjockey

Have you heard some of the lunacy he has been spewing? I used to watch him on CNN. He has gone around the bend since he got on Fox. IMO.

AN interesting tidbit: Fox picked up Tucker Carlson from MSNBC. One more kook for the evolving line-up.

390 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:37pm

re: #383 abolitionist
Thank you!

391 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:45pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

Gravity is "B", right?

392 dmandman  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:31:47pm

re: #378 Macker

OK change the costumes slightly. And don't tell me they don't drink....

Just when the Iman is looking./sarc.... remember the binges the 9/11 guys went on before the took their flights.

393 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:32:13pm

re: #374 Thanos

Thanos -

MY I.Q. is not 167. It is in the mid - 130's - so I am told. So What - that and 1-3 Dollars will get all 'y'all on a BUS - IF you have the 1-3 Dollars. That is all.

-S-

394 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:32:25pm

re: #375 dmandman

unfortunately Great Britain has become Clockwork Orange. Can anyone show me what is different between the way things are now and what was potrayed in the movie.

You can't get any of the old moloko plus.
We used to peet it with vellocet, or drencrum, or synthemesc.

395 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:32:43pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

brilliant

396 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:32:47pm

re: #369 pingjockey

The dude can play twisted very well.

Loved McDowell as Roy Scheider's nemesis in Blue Thunder...he had this deranged, f**ked-up look during the aerial scenes towards the end of the movie.

Master of twisted, indeed...

397 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:33:00pm

re: #368 Zimriel

Thanks for the scholarly analysis!

398 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:33:16pm

re: #374 Thanos

Lets see, it omits pertinent information, starts always with ad hominem... hrmmm I don't think it's IQ is 167. Still thinking here on what that familiar smell is.

With a thing for Zimriel. If I had to narrow it down, I'd guess a Lounger.

399 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:33:16pm

re: #389 pink freud
What? Why? I figured he was doing the weather in Tulsa or something.

400 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:33:37pm

re: #387 Macker

You can disagree, but what's the subject of this thread?

401 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:33:38pm

re: #377 Shug

I live in Winston-Salem, NC (WINSTON-SALEM, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!) and they just passed a ban on smoking in bars and pretty much everywhere else.
It's like banning Guinness in Dublin.

402 JacksonTn  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:33:42pm

re: #389 pink freud

AN interesting tidbit: Fox picked up Tucker Carlson from MSNBC. One more kook for the evolving line-up.

Pink ... hey ... I don't get it ... why do these people just keep getting recycled ... I mean ... do the networks think this is the best there is out there ... just like Pat Buchass ... when do they just go away ... please go away ... Tucker needs to go away and take a few with him ...

403 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:34:16pm

re: #386 Afton

The backing down just means he's a whimp. And it should have never gotten to the point of them even being made available for release - he sponsored their release, thus he's the culprit.

Leftie here. He did not "sponsor" their release. The ACLU won a court case against the government for the release and BHO is going to try another defense to block it.

404 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:34:35pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

Good versus Evil: The Afton Quiz

Assign each of the following to the proper one of the two dichotomous categories that exist in the universe: (A) True American Real Conservative Keeper of the Constitution, or (B) Leftist Commie Pinko Christian-Hating Darwinist. Each correct answer is worth ten points, and there is no penalty for guessing. The first ones are easy, but they get harder at the end.

1. Barack Obama
2. Michelle Bachman
3. Nancy Pelosi
4. TARP
5. Joe Lieberman
6. Pre-Boomer Marine Brat
7. Major league baseball
8. The Rio Grande
9. Ketchup
10. Gravity

Ketchup is the easiest one. It's probably the reddest thing in the kitchen, it was invented in some godless socialist hellhole in Europistan, and (most tellingly) the Kerry Kong Klan manufactures it by the ton and even distributes it to schoolchildren. Schoolchildren, Lizardoids, schoolchildren.

405 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:34:45pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

Good versus Evil: The Afton Quiz

Assign each of the following to the proper one of the two dichotomous categories that exist in the universe: (A) True American Real Conservative Keeper of the Constitution, or (B) Leftist Commie Pinko Christian-Hating Darwinist. Each correct answer is worth ten points, and there is no penalty for guessing. The first ones are easy, but they get harder at the end.

1. Barack Obama
2. Michelle Bachman
3. Nancy Pelosi
4. TARP
5. Joe Lieberman
6. Pre-Boomer Marine Brat
7. Major league baseball
8. The Rio Grande
9. Ketchup
10. Gravity

What no Ron Paul?////

Well done, Sir!

406 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:35:58pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

Good versus Evil: The Afton Quiz

Assign each of the following to the proper one of the two dichotomous categories that exist in the universe: (A) True American Real Conservative Keeper of the Constitution, or (B) Leftist Commie Pinko Christian-Hating Darwinist. Each correct answer is worth ten points, and there is no penalty for guessing. The first ones are easy, but they get harder at the end.

1. Barack Obama
2. Michelle Bachman
3. Nancy Pelosi
4. TARP
5. Joe Lieberman
6. Pre-Boomer Marine Brat
7. Major league baseball
8. The Rio Grande
9. Ketchup
10. Gravity

1. The Anti-Christ
2. His Bride
3. Catwoman.
4. Something you put over Catwoman the morning after.
5. Juice!
6. You know what they say about the Navy.
7. Beat the Yankees!
9. Heinz, Thereza, J F'n K, can't you see it?
10. It's the Man, keeping the people down!

407 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:36:14pm

re: #404 Shiplord Kirel

Ketchup is the easiest one. It's probably the reddest thing in the kitchen, it was invented in some godless socialist hellhole in Europistan, and (most tellingly) the Kerry Kong Klan manufactures it by the ton and even distributes it to schoolchildren. Schoolchildren, Lizardoids, schoolchildren.

LMAO!

408 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:36:17pm

re: #403 avanti
Bush or Obama should've just slapped an executive order on it. Put the photos out of circulation for 50 years. They didn't and here we are. No good of any kind coes from the release of these pics.

409 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:36:31pm

re: #386 Afton

The backing down just means he's a whimp. And it should have never gotten to the point of them even being made available for release - he sponsored their release, thus he's the culprit.

So you admit that he did, in fact, back down.

Then you proceed to give your personal opinion as proof that he is guilty of something. ("Guilty" is what "culprit" implies, isn't it?)

What exactly is Obama guilty of, Afton?

410 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:36:57pm

re: #399 pingjockey

What? Why? I figured he was doing the weather in Tulsa or something.

LittleOldLady and Sharmute made me stay up until nearly 5 am, taunting me with dobashe cake. Right before I went to sleep I caught the morning show on Fox. There was the weekend cast with Tucker Carlson. I thought I was hallucinating. But no, I held off the chocolate dreams long enough to google and sure enough, Fox has picked him up.

411 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:37:19pm

Afton, are you sure it's not After?

[Hint: You're looking for a German noun.]

412 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:37:35pm

re: #410 pink freud

Forgive me, Sharm, that was supposed to be an 'a' at the end.

413 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #403 avanti

Leftie here. He did not "sponsor" their release. The ACLU won a court case against the government for the release and BHO is going to try another defense to block it.


Why do you always qualify yourself to begin a post Chief?

414 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #408 pingjockey

Bush or Obama should've just slapped an executive order on it. Put the photos out of circulation for 50 years. They didn't and here we are. No good of any kind coes from the release of these pics.

I thought Bush did, claiming national security and the court over ruled it ? Not sure though.

415 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:38:29pm

re: #410 pink freud
That's evil. Taunting you with cake!

416 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:38:31pm

re: #406 JCM

6. You know what they say about the Navy.

*WHACK*

417 Afton  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:38:33pm

re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So you admit that he did, in fact, back down.

Then you proceed to give your personal opinion as proof that he is guilty of something. ("Guilty" is what "culprit" implies, isn't it?)

What exactly is Obama guilty of, Afton?

He's guilty of promoting the release of the photos.

418 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:38:46pm

re: #389 pink freud

AN interesting tidbit: Fox picked up Tucker Carlson from MSNBC. One more kook for the evolving line-up.

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's America."

419 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:39:28pm

re: #417 Afton

He's guilty of promoting the release of the photos.

Guilt. Ah, that's such a ... flexible concept, is it not?

420 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:39:32pm

re: #418 Charles

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's America."

Filmed in Mayberry, R.F.D.

421 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:39:41pm

re: #414 avanti
Me neither. This is one of those things I do not understand. The pics should be buried and gone.

422 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:39:50pm

Mr. Beaumont's caddy.

423 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:39:51pm

re: #413 HoosierHoops

Why do you always qualify yourself to begin a post Chief?

Just trying to bait the guy that thinks you all are lefties. I'm the real deal damn it. :)

424 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:40:09pm

re: #406 JCM

re: #384 Last Mohican

Good versus Evil: The Afton Quiz

Assign each of the following to the proper one of the two dichotomous categories that exist in the universe: (A) True American Real Conservative Keeper of the Constitution, or (B) Leftist Commie Pinko Christian-Hating Darwinist. Each correct answer is worth ten points, and there is no penalty for guessing. The first ones are easy, but they get harder at the end.

1. Barack Obama
2. Michelle Bachman
3. Nancy Pelosi
4. TARP

5. Joe Lieberman
6. Pre-Boomer Marine Brat
7. Major league baseball
8. The Rio Grande
9. Ketchup
10. Gravity

1. The Anti-Christ
2. His Bride
3. Catwoman.
4. Something you put over Catwoman the morning after.

5. Juice!
6. You know what they say about the Navy.
7. Beat the Yankees!
9. Heinz, Thereza, J F'n K, can't you see it?
10. It's the Man, keeping the people down!

I laughed so hard, I hurled!

;-P

425 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:40:29pm

re: #418 Charles

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's America."

I thought they'd call it, Fux & Friends.

You know, I really just stepped into this discussion, but I've been dying to use that line.

426 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:40:46pm
427 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:41:01pm

re: #416 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*WHACK*

OUCH!

Hey, hey, I didn't say it, THEY did!

;-)

428 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:41:05pm

re: #418 Charles
That would send a wonderful message to the sane conservatives. Sorry FNC is now just for the lunatic fringe.

429 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:41:52pm

re: #408 pingjockey

Bush or Obama should've just slapped an executive order on it. Put the photos out of circulation for 50 years. They didn't and here we are. No good of any kind coes from the release of these pics.

At this point, not much good comes from hiding them, either.

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:41:58pm

re: #417 Afton

He's guilty of promoting the release of the photos.

Afton, ... there was no crime committed in that.

431 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:42:07pm

re: #418 Charles

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's America."

I was thinking pamela.

432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:42:20pm

re: #418 Charles

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's AmeriKKKa."

FTFY

433 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:42:44pm

re: #429 Cato the Elder
Fuck off!

434 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:42:47pm

re: #423 avanti

Just trying to bait the guy that thinks you all are lefties. I'm the real deal damn it. :)

Dang it Avanti..We need to work on your Karma...

435 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:42:49pm

re: #421 pingjockey

Me neither. This is one of those things I do not understand. The pics should be buried and gone.

I can't think of any good that could come from it. The first batch might have served the purpose of cleaning up a real problem, but no need for piling on. I think we got it, a few soldiers did some lame ass shit, fixed it, move on.

436 callahan23  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:43:05pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

Afton, are you sure it's not After?

[Hint: You're looking for a German noun.]

*ssh*l* ?
Yez, it iz rigcht.
/

437 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:43:14pm

re: #433 pingjockey

A stellar argument.

438 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:43:16pm

re: #418 Charles

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's America."

Sandwiched right in between Beck and Huckapoo. Lew Rockwell next? George Noory?

Afton? any input?

439 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:43:23pm

re: #419 Charles

Guilt. Ah, that's such a ... flexible concept, is it not?

My mother could have eaten this idiot's lunch.

440 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:43:32pm

Thanks for watching Pat Buchanan's Amerca And now for a commercial break.

Stay tuned, we'll be reich back

441 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:44:26pm

re: #428 pingjockey

Since MSNBC already pays Pat Buchanan, does that make MSNBC a right-wing extremist network?
These "degrees of separation" type of indictments of people and corporations are nonsensical when looked at with a wide view.

442 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:44:45pm

re: #429 Cato the Elder

At this point, not much good comes from hiding them, either.


disagree.

pictures are circulated throughout the turd world pretty quickly

443 Idle Drifter  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:44:53pm

re: #415 pingjockey

That's evil. Taunting you with cake!

Cake is a lie!

444 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:45:03pm

re: #438 pink freud

Lew Rockwell next? George Noory?

Hey... why not. Even here on LGF, there was a spinoff link last night from Gary North via Lew Rockwell... that got several up-dings. Viva la Rockwell?

445 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:45:13pm

re: #402 JacksonTn

hey JT!
how's your weekend going

446 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:45:21pm

re: #427 JCM

OUCH!

Hey, hey, I didn't say it, THEY did!

;-)

Oh yeah?

447 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:45:30pm

How about "Buchanan's Antisemitic White's Only Funhouse"?

448 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:01pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

I was thinking pamela.

They do seem to revel in her dreck.

449 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:04pm
450 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:17pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Help. IIRC wasn't Mendel before Darwin? I'm confused.

IIRC, he was, but no one paid attention to him until later.

451 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:36pm

re: #446 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh yeah?

Dang....
Busted....

452 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:40pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

hey hoops,
how's your day?
I've had a blast!

453 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:46pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder
No damn argument. Our guys, mostly play by our rules. The terorists have no rules, so let's give the bad guys and the lunatic left more fuel to fuck with the military. Yep that's the ticket.

454 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:46:47pm

One of my wonderful stalkers signed me up to Randall Terry's "Operation Rescue" mailing list today. Isn't that special?

Meanwhile, Afton just keeps on keepin' on.

455 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:47:02pm

re: #441 Lincolntf

Since MSNBC already pays Pat Buchanan, does that make MSNBC a right-wing extremist network?
These "degrees of separation" type of indictments of people and corporations are nonsensical when looked at with a wide view.

agreed, it's all garbage...FOX is just now bringing up the rear...it HAS to be about ratings first and foremost and people like a toe head like Beck....like a loony little brother

456 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:47:44pm

re: #444 freetoken

Hey... why not. Even here on LGF, there was a spinoff link last night from Gary North via Lew Rockwell... that got several up-dings. Viva la Rockwell?

Wha!? Where's that one?

457 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:47:45pm

re: #397 zombie

Thanks for the scholarly analysis!

You're welcome! Would you like some more? :^D

I have here a translation of Zamakhshari's tafsir on sura 19 and another translation of Tarafi's "Qiyas al-Anbiya", stories on the prophets.

Zamakhshari relates a consensus opinion that Mary's pregnancy only lasted 6-8 months, which might have an echo in what your mailer is saying. Zamakhshari notes the engagement with Joseph and considers him a son of Mary's paternal uncle. (eww!)

Tarafi meanwhile considers Joseph a nephew of Mary. There is a very pleasant conversation between the two here, which I wish the Christians had apocryphised first. But Joseph is not mentioned as a fiance by Tarafi.

Re the polygamy, I think he's getting Joseph the Carpenter mixed up with Joseph the Smith, Junior.

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:48:09pm

re: #451 JCM

Dang....
Busted....

SHEEESH!
(oh RATS! ... somehow, I don't think I could use that against goddess!)

459 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:48:56pm

re: #410 pink freud

LittleOldLady and Sharmute made me stay up until nearly 5 am, taunting me with dobashe cake. Right before I went to sleep I caught the morning show on Fox. There was the weekend cast with Tucker Carlson. I thought I was hallucinating. But no, I held off the chocolate dreams long enough to google and sure enough, Fox has picked him up.

I am really going to have to stay up one night and see what this late-night shift is all about.

460 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:49:03pm

re: #444 freetoken

Hey... why not. Even here on LGF, there was a spinoff link last night from Gary North via Lew Rockwell... that got several up-dings. Viva la Rockwell?

Unbelievable.

461 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:49:07pm

re: #157 Idle Drifter

See my #151, I think it is the actor along with the character.

Geez, what an idiot. Damn troofers.

462 njdhockeyfan  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:49:36pm

Fish Dance!

463 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:49:46pm

Someone may have already seen this, but I was behind a car today here in NW New Jersey and noticed a sticker on the back that said, 'I already found my savior, I am still looking for a President'. It was prominently displayed next to an NRA sticker. Sometimes I feel like a partizan hiding in a cave in the wilds of Jersey. I continue the fight, bcz I don't believe the war is over.

464 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:50:00pm

re: #452 rain of lead

hey hoops,
how's your day?
I've had a blast!


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

465 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #459 reine.de.tout

"Dogs and cats living together, human sacrifice....Mass Hysteria!"

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:50:36pm

re: #464 HoosierHoops

Hoops? Where's the basketball?

467 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:50:41pm

re: #380 pingjockey

Have you heard some of the lunacy he has been spewing? I used to watch him on CNN. He has gone around the bend since he got on Fox. IMO.

ping -

Glenn Beck - Is First and Always - An Entertainer. AND He is NOT Entirely Wrong - Same With Rush, Sean, Boortz and Levin. Truthfully, I am happy with the Idea that BECK makes more $ in the next year than Olbermann. BECK earned it by doing research and being ORIGINAL. Olbermann FORFEITED IT by being the "S.O.S." That is all, for now.

-S-

468 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:51:12pm

Afton seems to have developed cramps in his typing fingers.

C'mon, Afton.

469 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:51:23pm

re: #464 HoosierHoops

thanks man.
getting me some of that choc cheesecake here in a bit :)

470 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:51:45pm

re: #468 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Afton seems to have developed cramps in his typing fingers.

C'mon, Afton.

Maybe he's shelling some peanuts.

471 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:51:48pm

re: #360 Afton

His intention, his desire was to publish those

How do you know his intention or desire? Mind-reader fly on the wall?

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:51:55pm

re: #469 rain of lead

Hi!

473 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:52:03pm

re: #467 Dr. Shalit
Okay.

474 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:52:18pm

re: #418 Charles

I'm expecting an announcement any day that Pat Buchanan is leaving MSNBC for an hour-long show on Fox News titled, "Pat Buchanan's America."

Charles -

"Tucker" isn't a Kook - He is just "BORE-ING!"

-S-

475 JacksonTn  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:52:29pm

re: #452 rain of lead

hey hoops,
how's your day?
I've had a blast!

RoL ... Happy Birthday! ...

476 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:52:31pm

re: #470 Sharmuta

Maybe he's shelling some peanuts.

*bite my tongue*

477 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:52:59pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

Filmed in Mayberry, R.F.D.

I doubt Sheriff Andy would tolerate Buchannan

478 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:53:14pm

re: #468 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Afton seems to have developed cramps in his typing fingers.

C'mon, Afton.

tough to type with socks on your hands

479 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:53:44pm

re: #456 Charles

Wha!? Where's that one?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Uses a third blog that seems to like that type of stuff. Apparently the 9 up-dingers didn't read the by-line.

480 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:53:47pm

re: #453 pingjockey

[...] Our guys, mostly play by our rules. [...]

And if they don't? Or if the rules are bad?

Why, then it's the duty of every right-thinking Wehrmachtssoldat Soviet patriot American citizen to cover up the evidence. Anything else makes you a traitor.

481 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:54:00pm

re: #474 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

"Tucker" isn't a Kook - He is just "BORE-ING!"

-S-

I think he's cute.

482 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:54:00pm

re: #476 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*bite my tongue*

I have an idea who this fellow might be.

483 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:54:05pm

re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey FBV!
wazzup.

484 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:54:18pm

re: #477 Kosh's Shadow
Buchanan will be played by the town drunk.

485 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:54:48pm

I'm sitting here anxiously waiting to see what's going to happen to Afton, but he seems to have disappeared. Where'd he go?

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:54:53pm

re: #483 rain of lead

Cheesecake?

487 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:55:35pm

re: #479 freetoken

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Uses a third blog that seems to like that type of stuff. Apparently the 9 up-dingers didn't read the by-line.

Oh for Pete's sake. Please use the report button when you see that kind of hateful crap.

That blog is now added to the blocked list. Gary North is a seriously insane freak.

488 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:55:38pm

if a pundit for the MSM is not a kook, the potential is always there...so I simply pre-emp all of them no matter what station pays them...that way I have all my bases covered and they can't seize my thoughts while I'm not paying attention

489 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #475 JacksonTn

JT,
hahahaha
thanks, that was great

490 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:56:04pm

re: #485 reine.de.tout

I'm sitting here anxiously waiting to see what's going to happen to Afton, but he seems to have disappeared. Where'd he go?

Logged out. I guess he doesn't think he has to answer his host.

491 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:56:17pm

re: #459 reine.de.tout

I am really going to have to stay up one night and see what this late-night shift is all about.

It sorta has the feel of being up while all the grownups sleep. Or, the graveyard sentry .....walking his lonely post in the fog .....the slow drip, drip, drip of the dew off of the gun towers .......shadowy figures darting about ....

492 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:56:27pm

re: #480 Cato the Elder

And if they don't? Or if the rules are bad?

Why, then it's the duty of every right-thinking Wehrmachtssoldat Soviet patriot American citizen to cover up the evidence. Anything else makes you a traitor.

Are you just stuck in "Insufferable Prick" mode the past couple of days?

493 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:56:27pm

And I'm checking out all the usernames that up-dinged that. Not a single one of them seems to be a regular commenter.

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:56:38pm

Afton, ... think about it ... I backed you down.
As the back-and-forth continued, you moderated, you dialed it down.

Afton, you said that Obama's backing down only meant that he's a wimp.

Afton ...

Hey, asshole, you just put your hinney in a crack.
Wanna try to get it out?

495 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:57:04pm

re: #480 Cato the Elder
I fucking give up. Fine no torture and maybe where you live can disappear in a big flash, or the water is poisoned. I just give up arguing with someone so obtuse. Torture has gone on and will go on. Ya think the terrorists are going to treat troops they capture any better? You are delusional. I HAVE BEEN THERE!

496 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:57:25pm

re: #481 Catttt

I think he's cute.

Catttt -

With or without the Bow-Tie?

-S-

497 JacksonTn  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:57:28pm

re: #488 albusteve

if a pundit for the MSM is not a kook, the potential is always there...so I simply pre-emp all of them no matter what station pays them...that way I have all my bases covered and they can't seize my thoughts while I'm not paying attention

albusteve ... exactly ... I have blocked many channels on my tv ... cannot even flip through them ... do not miss one of them ... only watch a few channels on tv ... history channel use to be good ... now it is lacking ... imo

498 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:57:50pm

re: #481 Catttt

I think he's cute.


you dig pro metal too...so therefore...


jus kidding

499 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:58:04pm

re: #497 JacksonTn

albusteve ... exactly ... I have blocked many channels on my tv ... cannot even flip through them ... do not miss one of them ... only watch a few channels on tv ... history channel use to be good ... now it is lacking ... imo

"Ahhhhh the Luftwaffe, the Washington Generals of the History Channel"
- H. Simpson.

500 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:58:10pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hoops? Where's the basketball?

My Bro.. I hope life finds you well..

501 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:58:21pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

502 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:58:44pm

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cheesecake?

oh yeah!
momcat gave me a choc cheesecake with 4 different types of choc
drool drool drool

had a piece this morning with coffee :)
gonna try a new flavor here in a bit

503 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:58:55pm

Have to go feed the dogs. Too bad Afton has disappeared; I was hoping to let them chew on a bit of troll leg.

504 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:00pm

re: #477 Kosh's Shadow

I doubt Sheriff Andy would tolerate Buchannan

Actually I was riffing on the non-existence of the place. Kim Hendron would like to take us back to Mayberry. As though Mayberry ever existed. Faulkner, more like.

As I wrote the other night: "I grew up spending summers in Mayberry. In the real Mayberry, Barney Fife is the sheriff, Andy is on the dole, Aunt Bee is into oxycontin, Gomer and Goober run a pot farm up in the hills, Floyd has some stuff buried under his crawlspace that would be of interest to Hannibal Lecter, and Otis died seven years back in a snowdrift."

505 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:07pm

re: #493 Charles

And I'm checking out all the usernames that up-dinged that. Not a single one of them seems to be a regular commenter.

I only vaguely thought I recognized one or two updingers, the rest I've never seen make a comment.

It would be interesting to know what else they have updinged or downdinged.

506 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:11pm

I just saw that Obama requested 0 for Israel in his budget. WTF?

Israel: $555 million of the $2.8 billion 2010 request for security assistance, $555 million above the supplemental request. 2.8 billion requested for security.
[Link: appropriations.house.gov...]
An anti semite in the WH?

507 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:38pm

re: #497 JacksonTn

albusteve ... exactly ... I have blocked many channels on my tv ... cannot even flip through them ... do not miss one of them ... only watch a few channels on tv ... history channel use to be good ... now it is lacking ... imo

I've done that before. When I had cable I blocked out anything similar to Jimmy Swaggart, 700 Club, PTL, Pat Robertson, et al.

508 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:45pm

re: #493 Charles

And I'm checking out all the usernames that up-dinged that. Not a single one of them seems to be a regular commenter.

I see your avatar is wearing a hu-mon face now, Charles.

509 JacksonTn  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:45pm

re: #502 rain of lead

oh yeah!
momcat gave me a choc cheesecake with 4 different types of choc
drool drool drool

had a piece this morning with coffee :)
gonna try a new flavor here in a bit

RoL ... thankfully you still have your boyish figure ... those cheesecakes ... so fattening ... but delish ...

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 5:59:56pm

re: #500 HoosierHoops

I thought there was a game tonight. I'm bummed!

511 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:00:03pm

re: #502 rain of lead

oh yeah!
momcat gave me a choc cheesecake with 4 different types of choc
drool drool drool

had a piece this morning with coffee :)
gonna try a new flavor here in a bit

You deserve a huge breakfast!

512 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:00:36pm

IMPORTANT!

The notification system doesn't work if people don't use it.

If you see a link from a hate site, like the one freetoken just pointed out, click that exclamation point icon and report it! That's what the exclamation point is for.

There are people out there doing their best to push hateful creeps like Gary North back into the GOP mainstream, and I will not have it at my website if I can help it. And I can.

513 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:00:42pm

re: #499 Mithrax

"Ahhhhh the Luftwaffe, the Washington Generals of the History Channel"
- H. Simpson.

Mithrax -

As in "I Fly for Luftwaffe, I mean Lufthansa?" That is all.

-S-

514 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:00:42pm

Afton has logged out.

/coward

515 JacksonTn  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:00:48pm

re: #507 Gus 802

I've done that before. When I had cable I blocked out anything similar to Jimmy Swaggart, 700 Club, PTL, Pat Robertson, et al.

Gus ... yes ... I remember some years ago a push for paying for only channels you wanted to receive ... that bombed ... but I was sure wanting it to go through ...

516 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:01:06pm

re: #496 Dr. Shalit

Catttt -

With or without the Bow-Tie?

-S-

Only seen him with, but if he wants to take it off, it's just fine and dandy with me. Smirk.

517 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:01:48pm

re: #497 JacksonTn

albusteve ... exactly ... I have blocked many channels on my tv ... cannot even flip through them ... do not miss one of them ... only watch a few channels on tv ... history channel use to be good ... now it is lacking ... imo

out of sight, out of mind...that stuff is for others

518 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:02:02pm

re: #501 Catttt

That was too lovely for a troll song. ;)

519 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:02:04pm

BBL. gotta get dinner.

520 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:02:18pm

re: #482 Zimriel

I have an idea who this fellow might be.

He's logged out.
Can you give me a hint?

521 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:02:40pm

re: #515 JacksonTn

Gus ... yes ... I remember some years ago a push for paying for only channels you wanted to receive ... that bombed ... but I was sure wanting it to go through ...

Cable a la carte. I couldn't even stand seeing those guys while channel surfing even for one second. Think I did that when I had the rabbit ears set-up.

522 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:03:01pm

re: #518 Sharmuta

That was too lovely for a troll song. ;)

I learned that piece on the piano as a child, and we would sing along. It's always stayed with me since then.

523 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:03:05pm

re: #495 pingjockey

I fucking give up. Fine no torture and maybe where you live can disappear in a big flash, or the water is poisoned. I just give up arguing with someone so obtuse. Torture has gone on and will go on. Ya think the terrorists are going to treat troops they capture any better? You are delusional. I HAVE BEEN THERE!

Where? Delusional?

524 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:03:07pm

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought there was a game tonight. I'm bummed!

Nope..Sunday..The Holy day..Bow thy head and jump as high as you can..
/It's a joke....
2 game 7's! this is gong to be really good!

525 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:03:15pm

re: #509 JacksonTn

aww, that's so sweet
gotta stay looking good with two ladies in the house

526 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:03:57pm

re: #514 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Afton has logged out.

/coward

Sir Afton logged away. Bravely logged away away...
When Stinky raised his banning stick
He bravely hid and called in sick

527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:04:03pm

No basketball. But, "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" just came on SciFiHD! Woo Hoo!

528 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:04:45pm

re: #415 pingjockey

That's evil. Taunting you with cake!

With cake, you get calories.........
With Yellow Cake, you get Valerie.............

mmmmmmmmmm......yellow cake...........

529 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:04:47pm

re: #520 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He's logged out.
Can you give me a hint?


(a song too good for him, if it is him)
530 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:05:06pm

re: #506 kansas

I just saw that Obama requested 0 for Israel in his budget. WTF?

Israel: $555 million of the $2.8 billion 2010 request for security assistance, $555 million above the supplemental request. 2.8 billion requested for security.
[Link: appropriations.house.gov...]
An anti semite in the WH?

You lost me, what are you talking about. The link you posted was the Summary: 2009 Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu, nothing about aid to Israel.

531 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:06:45pm

Afton signed off without ever answering my repeated question.

That's the last time this one will be signing on.

532 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:06:55pm

re: #526 Zimriel

Sir Afton logged away. Bravely logged away away...
When Stinky raised his banning stick
He bravely hid and called in sick

He sure as hell quieted down once he began replying to me.
That wasn't what I wanted him to do.
I wonder if I might have gotten a piece of him in one of his earlier lives?

533 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:07:01pm

re: #530 avanti

You lost me, what are you talking about. The link you posted was the Summary: 2009 Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu, nothing about aid to Israel.

Top of page 3 says 555 million to Israel out of 5 bill requested for security 555 million over what was requested.

534 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No basketball. But, "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" just came on SciFiHD! Woo Hoo!

I have never seen it..But I just clicked it on cause I'm tired of not knowing what the hell you guys are talking about..I hope this isn't to painful..
Here we go

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:08:47pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops

Shut Up! It's great. But, read the 4 book trilogy.

536 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:08:49pm

re: #531 Charles

Afton signed off without ever answering my repeated question.

That's the last time this one will be signing on.

Thank you.

537 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:08:53pm

re: #532 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He sure as hell quieted down once he began replying to me.
That wasn't what I wanted him to do.
I wonder if I might have gotten a piece of him in one of his earlier lives?

you might be obssessing

538 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:09:07pm

re: #487 Charles

Since I didn't have time to investigate that blog (pasadenasubrosa) seriously, I didn't want to report them. It is quite easy to cut-n-paste across the internet (without checking sources) and I felt it better to not raise flags without due process.

The article itself is mostly harmless (and slightly inaccurate) ranting about taxes and the coming California ballot initiatives... nothing new or unexpected.

The editor (of the blog, or Lew Rockwell, the pasadena blog didn't make that clear) ends the entry talking about the 10th amendment and the Civil War. That is probably the more disturbing aspect about these topics - that there are people out there who are want to use the current deep recession (and attendant budget problems) as causes around which to rally more notorious movements.

539 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:09:45pm

So what were afton's prior nics?

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:10:33pm

re: #539 Shug

Inquiring minds want to know...

541 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:10:34pm

re: #538 freetoken

Whenever I'm not sure- I report it anyways, and let Stinky deal with it.

542 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:10:39pm

What the hell is going on here? I tried for five minutes to post a message. Nothing happened, not even the spinning wheel of death, then when it did move, my message disappeared and I was taken to the Muslima Muslim matrimonial site.

543 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:11:09pm

re: #542 Shiplord Kirel

What the hell is going on here? I tried for five minutes to post a message. Nothing happened, not even the spinning wheel of death, then when it did move, my message disappeared and I was taken to the Muslima Muslim matrimonial site.


any luck finding a date?

544 wrenchwench  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:11:20pm

re: #542 Shiplord Kirel

What the hell is going on here? I tried for five minutes to post a message. Nothing happened, not even the spinning wheel of death, then when it did move, my message disappeared and I was taken to the Muslima Muslim matrimonial site.

You are now married.

/

545 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:11:21pm

re: #516 Catttt

OK Catttt -

Tucker is good intellectually. So is MONICA CROWLEY. I take it that all 'y'all are a "Girl" - I am a "Boy" - I Prefer Monica. Both are Graduates of MSNBC. Tucker, after the cancelation of "CrossFire" on CNN. Monica, after being the counterpoint to Ron Reagan, Jr. That is all.

-S-

546 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:11:28pm

re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shut Up! It's great. But, read the 4 book trilogy.

Ummm, Isn't it Five now?

Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Resturaunt at the End of the Universe
Life, The Universe and Everything
So Long and Thanks for the Fish
Mostly Harmless.

547 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:12:04pm

re: #542 Shiplord Kirel

What the hell is going on here? I tried for five minutes to post a message. Nothing happened, not even the spinning wheel of death, then when it did move, my message disappeared and I was taken to the Muslima Muslim matrimonial site.

One of those temporary marriages?

548 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:12:06pm

re: #537 albusteve

you might be obssessing

pant pant Pant PANT
ME?!
OBSESS?!

/ (-:

549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:12:49pm

re: #546 BlueCanuck

You are correct.

550 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:13:02pm

re: #537 albusteve

you might be obssessing

(seriously this time)
Naw, I was kind of wondering out loud

551 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:13:13pm

re: #539 Shug

Some things are better left unsaid.

552 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:13:33pm

re: #533 kansas

Top of page 3 says 555 million to Israel out of 5 bill requested for security 555 million over what was requested.

Got it, Congress stuck some part of the money budgeted for Israel in a bill for Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu.

553 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:14:06pm

re: #542 Shiplord Kirel

What the hell is going on here? I tried for five minutes to post a message. Nothing happened, not even the spinning wheel of death, then when it did move, my message disappeared and I was taken to the Muslima Muslim matrimonial site.

Sheep, goats or camels?

554 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:14:07pm

re: #544 wrenchwench

You are now married.

/

4 times.

555 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:15:21pm

re: #554 JCM

4 times.

Not counting the "conveniences" of life.

556 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:15:28pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops

Hey Hoosier. Biding your time until tomorrow night at 8? I am.

As I'm sure you know, we're 32-0 in series we've led 3-2, which means a victory tomorrow would make number....well, you know the number. Pretty auspicious for the C's (I'm hoping).

557 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:15:29pm

oh oh oh
cheesecake....
so so good....

558 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:15:31pm

re: #546 BlueCanuck

Ummm, Isn't it Five now?

Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Resturaunt at the End of the Universe
Life, The Universe and Everything
So Long and Thanks for the Fish
Mostly Harmless.


Wow this is crap..the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (2005) Martin Freeman and Mos Def..

559 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:16:20pm

If you want to know why the mention of Gary North showing up at LGF seriously creeps me out, start here:

[Link: www.reason.com...]

560 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #557 rain of lead

oh oh oh
cheesecake....
so so good....

SADIST!

/

561 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:17:15pm

Geeks.

/yeah, I'm watching it, too.

In HD 5.1 surround.

562 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:17:21pm

re: #547 Cato the Elder

One of those temporary marriages?

Maybe in [Link: www.shiamatch.com......] now with hourly rates!
/talaq /talaq /talaq

563 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:17:28pm

Gary North:

So when Exodus 21:15-17 prescribes that cursing or striking a parent is to be punished by execution, that's fine with Gary North. "When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime," he writes. "The integrity of the family must be maintained by the threat of death." Likewise with blasphemy, dealt with summarily in Leviticus 24:16: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this impersonal era. "That modern Christians never consider the possibility of the reintroduction of stoning for capital crimes," North continues, "indicates how thoroughly humanistic concepts of punishment have influenced the thinking of Christians."

564 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:17:40pm

re: #546 BlueCanuck

Ummm, Isn't it Five now?

Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Resturaunt at the End of the Universe
Life, The Universe and Everything
So Long and Thanks for the Fish
Mostly Harmless.

Yes it's a trilogy in five parts.

565 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:17:58pm

re: #559 Charles

If you want to know why the mention of Gary North showing up at LGF seriously creeps me out, start here:

[Link: www.reason.com...]

I didn't realize he was Rushdooney's son-in-law. Yikes!

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:18:13pm

Opening two paragraphs of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun.

Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

Pretty cool opening, no?

567 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:18:24pm

re: #560 pre-Boomer Marine brat

it's my birthday.....I'll gloat if I want too.

and I do. ;)

568 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:18:41pm

re: #552 avanti

Got it, Congress stuck some part of the money budgeted for Israel in a bill for Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu.

Yeah, along with:

West Bank and Gaza: $665 million in bilateral economic, humanitarian, and security assistance for the West Bank and Gaza.

Jordan: $250 million, $250 million above the request, including $100 million for economic and $150 million for security assistance.

Egypt: $360 million, $310 million above the request, including $50 million for economic assistance, $50 million for border security, and $260 million for security assistance.

569 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:18:54pm

re: #530 avanti

btw, thanks for the laughs in the middle of all that.

570 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:18:57pm

re: #563 Charles

That is some sick fucking shit.

571 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:19:41pm

Gary North on Wiki.

North received a PhD in history from the University of California, Riverside in 1972 (his dissertation was The Concept of Property in Puritan New England, 1630-1720). Starting in 1967, North became a frequent contributor to the libertarian journal The Freeman. He later joined the senior staff of the publisher, the Foundation for Economic Education (FEE), 1971-73. His writings also appear on LewRockwell.com. North is the son-in-law of R.J. Rushdoony, one of the founders of Christian Reconstructionism. North is a member of the Presbyterian Church in America. He is the founder of the publishing firm Institute for Christian Economics (ICE). The company reportedly got its start with a bequest from an anonymous benefactor. That benefactor was North, who never received a salary or book royalties for the 25 years of its existence. At North's request, the board disbanded the ICE in 2001. The assets were transferred to Dominion Educational Ministries, Inc., a non-profit organization that operates Christian day cares.


[edit] Theological beliefs
Most Christian Reconstructionists hold to a type of Postmillennialism that holds that Jesus will return to earth only after Trinitarian Christianity has become the religion of the majority of the planet, with God's moral law as the civil standard for society. They believe that Old Testament moral and civil laws, such as those against adultery, sodomy, and murder, should be presumed binding unless the New Testament says otherwise; this belief is called theonomy.

Theologically, Gary North is a Calvinist. He is president of the Institute for Christian Economics[1] which publishes many Christian Reconstructionist books online. Christian Reconstructionists are also presuppositionalists in their approach to Christian apologetics as taught by the Calvinist philosopher, Cornelius Van Til and oppose any natural law theory as a basis for civil law order.


[edit] Political beliefs
North argues for the abolition of the fractional-reserve banking system, and a return to the gold standard. He also opposes the US Department of Education and Council on Higher Education Accreditation claiming it is a "cartel" and the group has, in part, caused higher education to "become uniformly secular, liberal, and mediocre: raising the cost of entry."[2] Furthermore, North believes that education and course work can be compacted on videos and DVDs and he sees the USDE and CHEA as preventing people from being educated through these media.

He served as research assistant for libertarian Republican Congressman Ron Paul in Paul's first term (1976). He shared a small office with the equally Calvinistic political philosopher, John W. Robbins, who later became a noted anti-Van Til author and publisher, who died in 2008. Also on the staff was economist and historian Bruce Bartlett, although in his pre-supply side economics days.

SNIP

572 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:19:42pm
On ultimate goals: "So let us be blunt about it," says Gary North. "We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God."

Gary North

The man is repugnant.

573 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:19:57pm

re: #558 HoosierHoops

It wasn't too bad actually. The ending was different from the book, and I didn't like that too much. Other wise it was pretty close to the book. Douglas Adams had his hand in it as much as possible before his death.

574 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:12pm

re: #567 rain of lead

it's my birthday.....I'll gloat if I want too.

and I do. ;)

aaand I just didn't get one piece, it looked so good, I got TWO!

575 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:25pm

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Opening two paragraphs of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"


Pretty cool opening, no?

sheer genius...I'm addicted already...better than cake even

576 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:44pm

re: #563 Charles

Gary North:

Reading that crap, I had a sudden impulse (no kidding) to report that comment.

Shivers up the spine!

577 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:52pm

re: #571 MandyManners

I think I wanna wash my eyes with alcohol after reading that. Ugh.

578 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:55pm

re: #569 pre-Boomer Marine brat

btw, thanks for the laughs in the middle of all that.

No problem, I was just giddy that someone else had a turn in the barrel.

579 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:56pm

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always remember the beginning as having Dent looking out the window and seeing heavy equipment tearing up his yard/neighborhood. Am I thinking of the wrong book?

580 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:20:56pm

re: #563 Charles

Evil.

581 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:21:01pm

re: #563 Charles

Gary North:

Bird brain stopped reading at Malachi.

582 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:21:32pm

Does that man not know what Christ said about casting stones?

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:21:38pm

re: #579 Lincolntf

Nope you're right. That's just the introductory paragraphs.

584 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:00pm

re: #583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Danke.

585 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:01pm

re: #564 JCM

Personally I think He lost track halfway through book two and had to keep restarting his count. I thought his Dirk Gently novels were okay. But his wit was unquestionable.

586 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:13pm

re: #559 Charles

I hadn't seen that Lew Rockwell tie before but it makes sense. The paleosphere does converge with the paulosphere and the pulpitsphere.

587 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:47pm

re: #582 MandyManners

Does that man not know what Christ said about casting stones?

Apparently he skipped that part of the Scriptures, along with Love, charity, forgiveness.

588 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:48pm

re: #571 MandyManners

Gary North on Wiki.

North received a PhD in history from the University of California, Riverside in 1972 (his dissertation was The Concept of Property in Puritan New England, 1630-1720).

I'd like to read this dissertation.
/not kidding

589 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:51pm

re: #568 kansas

Yeah, along with:

West Bank and Gaza: $665 million in bilateral economic, humanitarian, and security assistance for the West Bank and Gaza.

Jordan: $250 million, $250 million above the request, including $100 million for economic and $150 million for security assistance.

Egypt: $360 million, $310 million above the request, including $50 million for economic assistance, $50 million for border security, and $260 million for security assistance.

that's alot of grease...your tax dollars at work...nevermind those potholes down the block

590 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:22:58pm

re: #559 Charles

If you want to know why the mention of Gary North showing up at LGF seriously creeps me out, start here:

[Link: www.reason.com...]

I have personal knowledge of Gary North and the people who ran his apocolyptogasmic Y2K newsletter and website prior to the big fizzle in 2000. Quite apart from his theology, he managed to get an unknown number of people to give up everything they had and move to compounds in Kentucky and elsewhere.

Wiki:

His web site Gary North's Y2K Links and Forums has been preserved at a mirror site.[9] North's Y2K forums[10] were all moderated by volunteer subject matter experts. For example, the Securing Your Home Forum was moderated by survival retreat expert Joel Skousen [...]

The people behind North are in many ways even creepier than he is.

591 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:23:01pm

re: #582 MandyManners

Does that man not know what Christ said about casting stones?

And the mote and beam issue as well.

592 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:23:09pm

re: #563 Charles

Yikes! Anyone else reminded of Shirley Jackson's classic short story, The Lottery?

593 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:23:14pm

re: #567 rain of lead

it's my birthday.....I'll gloat if I want too.

and I do. ;)

Happy Birthday!
Enjoy the cheesecake.

594 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:23:30pm

re: #582 MandyManners

Does that man not know what Christ said about casting stones?

Well- they're Biblical literalists. Except when it doesn't suit their purpose.

I think Jesus had something to say about religious hypocrites too.

595 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:23:50pm

re: #562 Zimriel

Maybe in [Link: www.shiamatch.com......] now with hourly rates!
/talaq /talaq /talaq

I prefer the houri rates, myself...

596 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:24:13pm

In the initial stages of the Constitutional reform movement, such as today, Christians are under the civil rule of the majority. We must work within a covenantally alien system, and we must do so peacefully. Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism, pp. 585-586.

SNIP

In winning a nation to the gospel, the sword as well as the pen must be used. (Christian Reconstructionism, p. 198).

Which is it?

597 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:24:22pm

Another quote I found interesting/scary, from the Reason article "Invitation to a Stoning":

Among other ideas Reconstructionists have helped popularize is that state neutrality on the subject of religion is meaningless. Any legal order is bound to "establish" one religious order or another, the argument runs, and the only question is whose. Put the question that way, and watch your polemical troubles disappear. If we're getting a religious establishment anyway, why not mine?

598 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:24:41pm

re: #504 Cato the Elder

Actually I was riffing on the non-existence of the place. Kim Hendron would like to take us back to Mayberry. As though Mayberry ever existed. Faulkner, more like.

As I wrote the other night: "I grew up spending summers in Mayberry. In the real Mayberry, Barney Fife is the sheriff, Andy is on the dole, Aunt Bee is into oxycontin, Gomer and Goober run a pot farm up in the hills, Floyd has some stuff buried under his crawlspace that would be of interest to Hannibal Lecter, and Otis died seven years back in a snowdrift."

I know, but I was saying how even an imaginary place would reject him.
I thought your description was great, but couldn't find Tom Lehrer doing "My Home Town". Another lizard found someone else's version.

BTW, I live in a town that has one flashing light (the only real stop lights are at the railroad crossings), one gas station (Hugo's), a couple of trailer parks, several convenience stores (one owned by an Indian family, yes, who also own the gas station, the laundromat, and, I've heard, a lot of the rental housing).
And it has its share of this kind of stuff.

599 JCM  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:25:13pm

re: #585 BlueCanuck

Personally I think He lost track halfway through book two and had to keep restarting his count. I thought his Dirk Gently novels were okay. But his wit was unquestionable.

3 is one less than 4.
3 is one more than 2.

Cosmic dude.

600 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:25:17pm

re: #593 pre-Boomer Marine brat

thanks!
it has been a happy one.

601 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:25:34pm

And these are the people pushing creationism in legislatures throughout the country. But don't you dare say ID is religious!

602 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:25:37pm

re: #573 BlueCanuck

It wasn't too bad actually. The ending was different from the book, and I didn't like that too much. Other wise it was pretty close to the book. Douglas Adams had his hand in it as much as possible before his death.

I tried..I really did..Then I had to change the channel.

603 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:25:46pm

re: #596 MandyManners

Which is it?

I suggest not reading too much, you'll melt your brain with their logical fallacies.

604 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:25:47pm

re: #563 Charles

Charles -

Gary North is seriously "NUTZ" per your above quote. My Dad was the "Next Thing to G-d" in my family - the Worst You Could Get/Expect - was a Spanking.
Dad was Very judicious about his "Power." He guided us well and had the patience for us to catch up with his guidance. I have some differences with Dad - to this day. I praise him for his restraint. That is all.

-S-

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:26:53pm

re: #602 HoosierHoops

I tried..I really did..Then I had to change the channel.

HERETIC!

606 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:27:17pm

re: #498 albusteve

you dig pro metal too...so therefore...

jus kidding

That stuff really got you, didn't it. Heh. Actually, my favs are symphonic black metal and death metal - and goth metal.

607 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:27:27pm

re: #563 Charles

Gary North:

So when Exodus 21:15-17 prescribes that cursing or striking a parent is to be punished by execution, that's fine with Gary North. "When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime," he writes. "The integrity of the family must be maintained by the threat of death." Likewise with blasphemy, dealt with summarily in Leviticus 24:16: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this impersonal era. "That modern Christians never consider the possibility of the reintroduction of stoning for capital crimes," North continues, "indicates how thoroughly humanistic concepts of punishment have influenced the thinking of Christians."

Good grief. The term 'American Taliban' almost seems too mild for this nutter.

608 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:27:54pm

This guy is a fucking nut.

609 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:27:54pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So do we burn him or stone him? Obviously he will have to hand in his geek membership. :)

610 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:28:40pm

re: #607 Jimmah

Good grief. The term 'American Taliban' almost seems too mild for this nutter.

Worse is that someone will be offended that you could dare say such a thing about a Christian, but I doubt they'd look at the reason why.

611 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:28:55pm

re: #606 Catttt

That stuff really got you, didn't it. Heh. Actually, my favs are symphonic black metal and death metal - and goth metal.

Catttt -

HEAVY METAL for "moi."

-S-

612 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:08pm

re: #598 Kosh's Shadow

I know, but I was saying how even an imaginary place would reject him.
I thought your description was great, but couldn't find Tom Lehrer doing "My Home Town". Another lizard found someone else's version.

BTW, I live in a town that has one flashing light (the only real stop lights are at the railroad crossings), one gas station (Hugo's), a couple of trailer parks, several convenience stores (one owned by an Indian family, yes, who also own the gas station, the laundromat, and, I've heard, a lot of the rental housing).
And it has its share of this kind of stuff.

I see - yes, PB would likely be too much for kindly Andy Griffith.

I do love small towns, they're small. Not big. And quiet, except for the screaming.

Speaking as a city-dweller, I'd trade the weirdness in a small town for what goes on here as a matter of daily, cough, intercourse, cough, any day. For one thing I don't think you're woken by pointless car alarms going off at three in the morning because someone stepped too close to an SUV, or am I mistaken?

;^)

613 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:10pm

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Opening two paragraphs of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

Pretty cool opening, no?

When I first picked up that book I had no idea who Douglas Adams was. I read a few pages and thought 'this is just silly'. Then I looked into the author and realized 'oh, English humor'.

From then on the book was a riot. Thoroughly enjoyed all of them.

614 neocon hippie  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:15pm

North was also big in pushing apocalyptic Y2K scenarios.

615 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:25pm

re: #606 Catttt

That stuff really got you, didn't it. Heh. Actually, my favs are symphonic black metal and death metal - and goth metal.

so really...how many shades of black nailpolish are there?

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:41pm

re: #600 rain of lead

thanks!
it has been a happy one.

Cheesecake makes birthdays worth weighting for.

617 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:51pm

re: #610 Sharmuta

Worse is that someone will be offended that you could dare say such a thing about a Christian, but I doubt they'd look at the reason why.

You are referring to North as a Christian?

618 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:29:56pm

re: #616 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cheesecake makes birthdays worth weighting for.

Heavy man, heavy.

619 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:30:05pm

Come on, Kids! There's a stoning about to take place. Grab your Mom, and lets go before all the good sized rocks are gone!

620 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:30:13pm

re: #588 Zimriel

I'd like to read this dissertation.
/not kidding

Interesting, since my undergrad minor was in history, and I did a lot on Puritan New England; one professor at the college was an authority on the topic. Learned a lot.

621 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:30:30pm

re: #609 BlueCanuck

So do we burn him or stone him? Obviously he will have to hand in his geek membership. :)

poor HH, BC,FBV we must drag him out back, tie him to a tree and pelt
him with rotten fruit.

so sad

622 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:30:33pm

re: #615 albusteve

so really...how many shades of black nailpolish are there?

Any shade you like, as long as...

623 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:30:52pm

Watching movie. Y'all be nice to each other!

624 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:30:58pm

re: #617 kansas

You are referring to North as a Christian?

North represents a very well-established line in Christian theology. Sad to say.

625 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:31:10pm

re: #559 Charles

He's too kooky for even Jerry Falwell's crew. Priceless.

626 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:31:51pm

re: #622 Zimriel

Any shade you like, as long as...


as long as you have nine inch nails...go ahead, say it

627 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:31:55pm

re: #624 Cato the Elder

North represents a very well-established line in Christian theology. Sad to say.

Sources, please.

628 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:31:59pm

re: #618 Mithrax

Heavy man, heavy.

My pride girth before all.

629 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:06pm

re: #617 kansas

You are referring to North as a Christian?

Yes.

630 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #592 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! Anyone else reminded of Shirley Jackson's classic short story, The Lottery?

Yes, but for stonings, I prefer

631 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #610 Sharmuta

Worse is that someone will be offended that you could dare say such a thing about a Christian, but I doubt they'd look at the reason why.

Yep. Been there, on this forum, several times already!

632 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:32pm

re: #624 Cato the Elder

North represents a very well-established line in Christian theology. Sad to say.

Would Christ recognize them as His followers?

633 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:36pm

re: #619 Sharmuta

Come on, Kids! There's a stoning about to take place. Grab your Mom, and lets go before all the good sized rocks are gone!

I'll have two with points, and the big flat one.

634 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:45pm

re: #621 rain of lead

poor HH, BC,FBV we must drag him out back, tie him to a tree and pelt
him with rotten fruit.

so sad


Rain of lead is beating up the Hoopster! on your Birthday no less!
You go boy! Happy Birthday!

635 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:32:55pm

re: #619 Sharmuta

Come on, Kids! There's a stoning about to take place. Grab your Mom, and lets go before all the good sized rocks are gone!

Can we bring uncle Gary and uncle Lew? //

Gotta love it. These guys are actually getting an audience of libertarians by way of Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul.

636 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:33:39pm

A family that stones together stays together.

637 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:33:53pm

re: #624 Cato the Elder

North represents a very well-established line in Christian theology. Sad to say.

I guess I make my own definition for Christian. Which probably explains why here in Churchland, I don't go.

638 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:34:12pm

re: #632 MandyManners

Would Christ recognize them as His followers?

While not knowing the mind of Christ, I'll go out on a limb and say nope.

639 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:34:59pm

Here's another couple of things to understand about these people -
first: they are rabidly indefatigable.

Well, OK, it's easy to laugh. Yet grandiosity does sometimes get results, especially when combined with an all-out conviction that one is historically predestined to win (the Communist Party in the '30s comes to mind). Reconstructionism has a record of turning out hugely prolific writers, tireless organizers who stay at meetings until the last chair is folded up, and driven activists willing to undergo arrest (Reconstructionist Randall Terry founded Operation Rescue, the lawbreaking anti-abortion campaign) to make their point

Second they have a worldwide network. They are tied at the hip with Armenian and Serbian Orthodox groups as well as the Melchites in the mid east. (ringing any bells here?) They think pretty much everything most churches have done since the council of chalcedon have basically been wrong. One of the reasons for Rushdoonies site name.

640 John Neverbend  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:35:03pm

ID/Holocaust denial/the "evils" of freemasonry. Whenever, I'm faced with this nonsense, I always remember a line from King Lear. "This is the excellent foppery of the world."

My late grandfather and my uncle were both masons. I don't think they did anything more conspiratorial than wear an apron at ceremonies. My father chose not to join, and I could never join, as I would have great reservations declaring that I believed in God. One enterprising Canadian once told me that I could cross my fingers at that point.

641 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:35:12pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

A family that stones together stays together.

"or else"

642 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:35:36pm

re: #632 MandyManners

Anybody can call himself "Christian". I find that those who do so loudly, repeatedly and for profit are rarely that at all.

643 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:35:43pm

re: #634 HoosierHoops

hey, props for trying to watch hitchiker,
me... can't stand dr who

different strokes and all that

644 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:35:45pm

re: #638 Mithrax

While not knowing the mind of Christ, I'll go out on a limb and say nope.

I hope I know some of His mind by reading His words.

645 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:35:46pm

re: #621 rain of lead

poor HH, BC,FBV we must drag him out back, tie him to a tree and pelt
him with rotten fruit.

so sad

Hmmmm, I like that option even better. Just needs a little extra something. :)

646 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:36:02pm

re: #612 Cato the Elder

I see - yes, PB would likely be too much for kindly Andy Griffith.

I do love small towns, they're small. Not big. And quiet, except for the screaming.

Speaking as a city-dweller, I'd trade the weirdness in a small town for what goes on here as a matter of daily, cough, intercourse, cough, any day. For one thing I don't think you're woken by pointless car alarms going off at three in the morning because someone stepped too close to an SUV, or am I mistaken?

;^)

Rarely get car alarms, although our neighbor's truck was stolen at 2AM by a drunk that got 1/2 mile down the road before crashing it (minor damage)
We do get awakened by coyotes (acutally our dogs barking at the coyote howls), though.

647 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:36:04pm

re: #627 Mithrax

Sources, please.

Start with John Calvin.

648 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:36:14pm

re: #614 neocon hippie

North was also big in pushing apocalyptic Y2K scenarios.

"N-H" -

Y2K always seemed like a joke/ripoff to me. If a required field could be changed from "2 to 3" or "3 to 4" digits. Seemed to me that "the problem" was "Wayyy Overblown"

-S-

649 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:36:23pm

re: #644 MandyManners

I hope I know some of His mind by reading His words.

's ok, try working for the guy ;)

650 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:01pm

re: #645 BlueCanuck

Hmmmm, I like that option even better. Just needs a little extra something. :)

LOL Don't make me come up there!
/How are you tonight?

651 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:02pm

re: #642 Lincolntf

Anybody can call himself "Christian". I find that those who do so loudly, repeatedly and for profit are rarely that at all.

Now I have an image of Tammy Faye with her mascara melting down her face. Thanks.

652 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:24pm

re: #648 Dr. Shalit

"N-H" -

Y2K always seemed like a joke/ripoff to me. If a required field could be changed from "2 to 3" or "3 to 4" digits. Seemed to me that "the problem" was "Wayyy Overblown"

-S-

Or maybe it was a huge problem which got solved on time.

653 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:40pm

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Opening two paragraphs of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

Pretty cool opening, no?

not as cool as your Avatar..........nor a sacrilegious........

654 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:40pm

re: #632 MandyManners

Would Christ recognize them as His followers?

Well that's the question, isn't it?

For me the issue was settled in Jesus' treatment of the woman taken in adultery. And forgiveness seventy times seven.

So, no. No way.

655 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:44pm

re: #639 Thanos

A very deep rabbit hole.

656 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:38:58pm

re: #647 Cato the Elder

Start with John Calvin.

Oh I'm familiar with Mr. Calvin. Personally thought it was a little harsh and was exceptionally reactionary as one would understand from someone with a reformer's zeal.

I'm just glad that folks like this North fellow are definitely fringe. And God willing, will stay that way.

657 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:12pm

Note:

"Christian economist" Gary North, Rushdoony's son-in-law and star polemicist of the Reconstructionist movement, is widely cited as a spokesman for free markets, if not exactly free minds; he even served for a brief time on the House staff of Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), the Libertarian Party presidential nominee in 1988, when Paul was a member of Congress in the '70s.

658 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:21pm

re: #649 Mithrax

's ok, try working for the guy ;)

The benefits are awesome.

659 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:22pm

re: #567 rain of lead

it's my birthday.....I'll gloat if I want too.

and I do. ;)

660 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:32pm

re: #650 HoosierHoops

Perking up a bit. 2 and 1/2 hours till beer time. I like geek wars, so much nicer in one sense.

661 dmandman  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:34pm

And who can forget Tipper Gore hearing anti-christian Satanic messages when certian rock groups vinyl records were played backwards.

662 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:43pm

re: #645 BlueCanuck

*snort* roflamo
dude that's harsh.
don't think HH's offense was that bad.
still......
bwahahahahahah

663 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:39:51pm

re: #658 MandyManners

The benefits are awesome.

You'd think so, but not totally what everyone thinks they are :P

664 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:40:07pm

re: #654 Cato the Elder

Well that's the question, isn't it?

For me the issue was settled in Jesus' treatment of the woman taken in adultery. And forgiveness seventy times seven.

So, no. No way.

These people will be shocked upon judgement that Jesus will know them not.

665 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:40:13pm

re: #651 MandyManners

Now I have an image of Tammy Faye with her mascara melting down her face. Thanks.

the Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away...he is not for sale

666 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:40:22pm

re: #648 Dr. Shalit

"N-H" -

Y2K always seemed like a joke/ripoff to me. If a required field could be changed from "2 to 3" or "3 to 4" digits. Seemed to me that "the problem" was "Wayyy Overblown"

-S-

Not that easy, when there are other fields on either side of that one, and there are many, many references to each field, AND a lot of the data is already stored on disk, tape, and cards, so you cannot change the record structure or you won't be able to read all your old data.
It wouldn't have been a disaster the way North thought, but it would have caused a lot of problems, and did end up causing some.

667 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:40:58pm

re: #598 Kosh's Shadow

I know, but I was saying how even an imaginary place would reject him.
I thought your description was great, but couldn't find Tom Lehrer doing "My Home Town". Another lizard found someone else's version.

BTW, I live in a town that has one flashing light (the only real stop lights are at the railroad crossings), one gas station (Hugo's), a couple of trailer parks, several convenience stores (one owned by an Indian family, yes, who also own the gas station, the laundromat, and, I've heard, a lot of the rental housing).
And it has its share of this kind of stuff.

Sounds like the town where I was mayor a few years ago. I was shanghaid into the job because the retiring mayor's handpicked successor happened to believe that the Air Force was hiding captured UFOs at a nearby base and the flight of Burt Rutan's Voyager aircraft was a secret CIA reconnaisance mission. Worse yet, he chose to hold forth about these views to a big city TV crew that was doing a local color story on hinterland politicians. The old mayor was horrified but it was too late to withdraw the nomination. The opposing party had never run a candidate in a local election but they got on the stick and asked me to run.
The locals didn't know me very well but I had some name recognition because my dad owned the local strip mall (with the all-important video store) and some rental houses. Mr. Conspiracy owned the laundromat and the (only) gas station, which made it a contest of business titans by local standards.
More importantly, I had not yet embarrassed the town on national TV (and made a point of not doing so). I won 275-103, after spending $83.10 on my campaign. The job itself was a lot like being president of the PTA but it did provide an immersion course in dealing with an amazing variety of cranks, liars, and lunatics. It also taught me to despise eco-wackies, who sued us twice, apparently just for the hell of it. This raised the tax rate for the sake of legal expenses. We did recover some of the loot in a counter-suit, in case any Sierra Club members are wondering what really happens to their contributions.

668 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:41:14pm

re: #654 Cato the Elder

Well that's the question, isn't it?

For me the issue was settled in Jesus' treatment of the woman taken in adultery. And forgiveness seventy times seven.

So, no. No way.

To me, that's the way around the No True Scotsman argument about Christians.

669 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:41:50pm

Gotta' go tuck in The Kid. bbiab

670 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:42:04pm

re: #642 Lincolntf

Anybody can call himself "Christian". I find that those who do so loudly, repeatedly and for profit are rarely that at all.

I do wonder if that type actually dipped into the Bible at all.

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

671 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:42:22pm

re: #660 BlueCanuck

Perking up a bit. 2 and 1/2 hours till beer time. I like geek wars, so much nicer in one sense.

Hope you are well..
It's really not fair that you can walk to the corner and buy a Cuban cigar...
/

672 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:42:30pm

Has Gary North been on Glenn Beck yet?

673 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:42:37pm

re: #656 Mithrax

Oh I'm familiar with Mr. Calvin. Personally thought it was a little harsh and was exceptionally reactionary as one would understand from someone with a reformer's zeal.

I'm just glad that folks like this North fellow are definitely fringe. And God willing, will stay that way.

If you want a good fictional image of what life under their doctrine would be like, read Margaret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale".

It appeared well before people started getting acquainted with Islamofascism. The resemblances, reading it today, are frightening.

674 John Neverbend  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:42:51pm

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Opening two paragraphs of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"


Pretty cool opening, no?

Very cool. I lost interest round about the third book or fourth book, I think, the one about the Krikkit robots. However, the TV adaptation of the earlier scene when they visit the Restaurant at the End of the Universe is masterly. Do you remember "the party of young Conservatives from Sirius B"? They were canine creatures who barked a lot, as I recall.

Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me.....

Douglas Adams was a great friend of Richard Dawkins.

675 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:42:58pm

Oh man this guy is a serious bigot.

My Thoughts on Martin Luther King
Gary North
January 19, 2009

Because the nation's first African-American (aka Black, Negro, colored) President will take office tomorrow, I thought it was about time, 49 years late, to say my piece.

==snip==

The best book on King is James Bales' biography. It was published the month King was killed. Bales never released it to the public. He gave me a copy. Someday, I will scan it in and post it on this site.

James Earl Ray was a fool to shoot him. That made King a martyr. That got him the holiday.

676 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:43:15pm

re: #659 Truck Monkey

hahahah
thanks TM
I have a 6yr daughter so I have a very high tolerance for that sort of cute

677 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:43:16pm

re: #673 Cato the Elder

I'll second that book recommendation.

678 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:43:21pm

re: #672 Shug

Has Gary North been on Glenn Beck yet?

There's always next week.

679 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:43:34pm

re: #671 HoosierHoops

Hope you are well..
It's really not fair that you can walk to the corner and buy a Cuban cigar...
/

It's not really fair that you can go to your corner store and buy a six pack at all hours. :)

/trust me you aren't missing much on the cuban cigars.

680 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #675 Gus 802

Disgusting.

681 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:44:14pm

re: #667 Shiplord Kirel

Sounds like the town where I was mayor a few years ago. I was shanghaid into the job because the retiring mayor's handpicked successor happened to believe that the Air Force was hiding captured UFOs at a nearby base and the flight of Burt Rutan's Voyager aircraft was a secret CIA reconnaisance mission. Worse yet, he chose to hold forth about these views to a big city TV crew that was doing a local color story on hinterland politicians. The old mayor was horrified but it was too late to withdraw the nomination. The opposing party had never run a candidate in a local election but they got on the stick and asked me to run.
The locals didn't know me very well but I had some name recognition because my dad owned the local strip mall (with the all-important video store) and some rental houses. Mr. Conspiracy owned the laundromat and the (only) gas station, which made it a contest of business titans by local standards.
More importantly, I had not yet embarrassed the town on national TV (and made a point of not doing so). I won 275-103, after spending $83.10 on my campaign. The job itself was a lot like being president of the PTA but it did provide an immersion course in dealing with an amazing variety of cranks, liars, and lunatics. It also taught me to despise eco-wackies, who sued us twice, apparently just for the hell of it. This raised the tax rate for the sake of legal expenses. We did recover some of the loot in a counter-suit, in case any Sierra Club members are wondering what really happens to their contributions.

Interesting place.
Well, no Air Force base around here, just a former Army base that is now its own sort of town, but still has some Reserve activity.

682 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:44:24pm

Out for the night.
Good night, all.

rain of lead ... have another piece ... luxuriate!

683 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:44:47pm

re: #680 Sharmuta

Disgusting.

Seriously. And that's what he puts out in public.

684 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:45:00pm

re: #678 Sharmuta

Have they put Alex Jones on his show yet? Or do they keep them a safe distance apart? If they're too close together, would there be an idiocy meltdown?

685 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:45:35pm

re: #642 Lincolntf

Anybody can call himself "Christian". I find that those who do so loudly, repeatedly and for profit are rarely that at all.

Gary North is NOT alone in these beliefs. You may want to deny that he's a Christian, but there are a lot of people who would disagree with you on that, and some of them were demonstrating at Notre Dame with Alan Keyes.

"No true Scotsman" rears its head again.

686 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:46:35pm

Matthew 7:21 - 7:23

"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

687 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:47:09pm

re: #685 Charles

On that note, isn't the standard that once someone accepts christ as their savior, then they're christian? I seriously don't know, anyone willing to clarify that for me?

688 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:47:20pm

re: #679 BlueCanuck

It's not really fair that you can go to your corner store and buy a six pack at all hours. :)

/trust me you aren't missing much on the cuban cigars.

I love Cuban Cigars!

689 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:47:39pm

re: #685 Charles

Okay. Don't remember denying anything, but okay.

690 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:47:54pm

re: #682 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I am going to get a piece.....
I'll have some more cheesecake tomorrow

691 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:48:49pm

re: #607 Jimmah

Good grief. The term 'American Taliban' almost seems too mild for this nutter.

About 8 yr ago when a friend took me to a local Baptist church (not her regular church), the pastor distributed some literature on the topic of parenting, and spoke on some OT passages about how an "unruly child" used to be dealt with. Essentially, the parents (or a parent, or someone) would report such a child to the local elders, and a punishment would be arranged. Stoning was specifically mentioned. Not mentioned was anything about testimony from the accused, or any kind of defense whatsoever.

At the time, I whispered to my friend that it sounded like the Taliban. My comment was not appreciated.

692 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:49:15pm

re: #673 Cato the Elder

If you want a good fictional image of what life under their doctrine would be like, read Margaret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale".

It appeared well before people started getting acquainted with Islamofascism. The resemblances, reading it today, are frightening.

Atwood deliberately patterned it on the Ayatollah's Iran; she says about as much in the epilogue.

693 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:49:37pm

re: #610 Sharmuta

You have incoming mail. I just finished my gardening article for the cookbook. Thanks in advance for wading through my Fjody-like tome.

694 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:50:28pm

re: #676 rain of lead

hahahah
thanks TM
I have a 6yr daughter so I have a very high tolerance for that sort of cute

9 and 5 year old daughters myself. I could have played the Cheetah Girls or Hannah Montana!

695 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:50:44pm

re: #693 Killgore Trout

You have incoming mail. I just finished my gardening article for the cookbook. Thanks in advance for wading through my Fjody-like tome.

Did you see my earlier response to you?
No special formatting or font or anything else is needed - just send the document; we'll get it formatted for the cookbook.

696 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:50:55pm

re: #685 Charles

Gary North is NOT alone in these beliefs. You may want to deny that he's a Christian, but there are a lot of people who would disagree with you on that, and some of them were demonstrating at Notre Dame with Alan Keyes.

"No true Scotsman" rears its head again.

South Bend is my home town, and the home of Notre Dame. I talked to friends there today and was surprised to find that in three or four days of demonstration, no students were involved, go figure.

697 Zimriel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:51:01pm

re: #675 Gus 802

[from Gary North] The best book on King is James Bales' biography. It was published the month King was killed. Bales never released it to the public.

**head explodes**

698 Mithrax  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:51:12pm

re: #687 Dan G.

On that note, isn't the standard that once someone accepts christ as their savior, then they're christian? I seriously don't know, anyone willing to clarify that for me?

Oooooh. Tricky one to answer, but I'll give you a standard.

1) Commitment to faith, usually in a public act.

In the majority of Christian sects, this is done by the Rite of Baptism, in which a person (or Godparents for infants) commits their life to walk in the steps of Christ.

2) conversion of life.

Usually, this involves attempts to actually walk said steps. However, for many individuals, this is a matter of "I believe in Christ, so everything I do is good".

Which becomes a problem, see this North fellow, or those reprehensible Phelps people. In the Christian Scriptures, one stnadard is that people can say "Jesus is Lord", presuming that they do so in faith comprehending parts 1 and 2 above, rather than saying it and then doing whatever the hell they want.

699 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:51:17pm

re: #686 Sharmuta

Matthew 7:21 - 7:23

"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

The trouble is, every fanatic, of whatever sect, always imagines those words apply to the guy standing next to him.

700 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:51:28pm

Struggling with iMac G5 screen glitches and shut downs. This is not good. I suspect it is a power supply problem.

701 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #696 avanti

South Bend is my home town, and the home of Notre Dame. I talked to friends there today and was surprised to find that in three or four days of demonstration, no students were involved, go figure.

So you are a Hoosier?

702 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:52:29pm

re: #692 Zimriel

Atwood deliberately patterned it on the Ayatollah's Iran; she says about as much in the epilogue.

Really? I never read the epilogue.

That makes the book all the more acute. She saw the same wolves lurking under Christina wool.

703 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:52:31pm

re: #694 Truck Monkey

ain't it great to be a dad to daughters.
I kinda like hannah montana
cheetah girls....not so much

704 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:52:36pm

re: #696 avanti

South Bend is my home town, and the home of Notre Dame. I talked to friends there today and was surprised to find that in three or four days of demonstration, no students were involved, go figure.

No true Fighting Irish......

705 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:52:51pm

re: #697 Zimriel

**head explodes**

Yeah, I think that would be a manuscript. Unless it's an extra double sekrit book only given to the paleo-underground.

706 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:53:05pm

re: #687 Dan G.

On that note, isn't the standard that once someone accepts christ as their savior, then they're christian? I seriously don't know, anyone willing to clarify that for me?

Some people do think it's as easy as accepting Jesus as Lord, but it's not, as you can see from my #686. You can't accept Jesus and then not live by his teachings of mercy, love and forgiveness. Even the Bible says Jesus will reject such people.

Like I said- some of these folks are going to be shocked on Judgement Day.

707 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:53:10pm

re: #657 Charles

The teachings of Paul, North, etc. are now ubiquitous throughout the "conservative" blog-o-sphere.

E.g., we see tfk upstream pushing the Dallas "Tea Party", an effort sponsored in part by Campaign for Liberty, as well as one of Beck's 912 groups.

I posted a spin-off link a few days ago, of the latest Wisconsin GOP Resolutions, which explicitly endorse Paul's house bill to investigate the Fed, as well as to eliminate the Federal Reserve altogether.

Paul, North, et. al. are now part of the mainstream "conservatism" and they are actively building a greater base through all these rallies.

708 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:53:28pm

re: #701 HoosierHoops

So you are a Hoosier?

Born and raised until I joined the Navy.

709 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:53:40pm

re: #571 MandyManners

Gary North on Wiki.

Thanks. Do I drink, take drugs or both tonight to fall asleep tonight?

710 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:54:05pm

re: #698 Mithrax

Thanks.

711 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:54:47pm

re: #706 Sharmuta

Thanks.

712 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:54:56pm

re: #702 Cato the Elder

LOL - no offense to Christina. Christian wool.

713 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:55:15pm

re: #699 Cato the Elder

The trouble is, every fanatic, of whatever sect, always imagines those words apply to the guy standing next to him.

True. But I trust that it's good and loving hearts that Jesus spoke of. Not these people.

714 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:55:23pm

re: #681 Kosh's Shadow

Interesting place.
Well, no Air Force base around here, just a former Army base that is now its own sort of town, but still has some Reserve activity.

Every small town seems to be chock-full of weirdness just under the surface. One of my first successful articles was an off-beat history of the weird goings-on in a seemingly plain little town here in west Texas. Among numerous UFO reports and reports of eccentric families, a live kangaroo was captured there in 1966. This involved a wildly confused all-night search by the local sheriff, belatedly reinforced by some game wardens after it was determined that the intruder was an animal and not an exceptionally fast vandal or burglar. Noone ever found out how it came to be in Texas and the owners never claimed it, for obvious fear of lawsuits over the damage it had caused and the police expenses.

715 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:55:23pm

re: #687 Dan G.

On that note, isn't the standard that once someone accepts christ as their savior, then they're christian? I seriously don't know, anyone willing to clarify that for me?

So if Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer accepted Christ, then they are Christian. I'm starting to like the No True Scotsman fallacy.

716 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:56:20pm

OT: Just watched Americas Most Wanted with the American guns ruining Mexico. What a load of Brady HCI propaganda cr*p. Tries to make you think you can just walk into a gun shop and buy a fully automatic .50 cal for a few bucks and no back ground check.

717 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:58:43pm

re: #715 kansas

So if Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer accepted Christ, then they are Christian. I'm starting to like the No True Scotsman fallacy.

The gift of salvation is open to all who repent.

718 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:59:11pm

The Birch Society and like minded folk have always been a part of 20th century American "conservatism." That I understand.

What I do not appreciate is that what used to be considered the political party of the educated upper middle class, industrialists, as well as religious progressives, i.e., the GOP, became so staunchly the haven of what Charles now rightly labels the "atavists."

719 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 6:59:44pm

I think the association presented (re-presented...) in this post will cause me to probe (verbally...) any ID'ers I meet or overhear at the coffee shop. I'll share any findings and suggest other do the same.

720 Altermite  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:00:31pm

re: #716 FamHistoryGuy

OT: Just watched Americas Most Wanted with the American guns ruining Mexico. What a load of Brady HCI propaganda cr*p. Tries to make you think you can just walk into a gun shop and buy a fully automatic .50 cal for a few bucks and no back ground check.

You know, if I was convinced by one of those, my third thought would be 'well, that's no good'.

My first and second thoughts would be: Whoa, that's badass, and I wonder if that would impress girls?

721 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:00:47pm

re: #695 reine.de.tout

Got it. Don;t be shy about telling me it's too long. I got a little wordy.

722 Shug  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:01:01pm

You can't make this shit up. Barney Fife is alive and well!

Deputies: Banana used as gun in holdup, then eaten

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – Authorities in North Carolina say a store owner and a patron thwarted a teen accused of trying to carry out a robbery by concealing a banana beneath his shirt to resemble a gun.

Winston-Salem authorities say 17-year-old John Szwalla entered the Internet cafe Thursday and demanded money, saying he had a gun.

The owner, Bobby Ray Mabe, said he and a customer jumped Szwalla, holding him until deputies arrived. While they waited, Mabe says the teen ate the banana.

Mabe says deputies took pictures of the peel. Forsyth County Sheriff's office spokesman Maj. Brad Stanley says deputies joked about charging Szwalla with destroying evidence.

723 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:01:54pm

re: #717 MandyManners

The gift of salvation is open to all who repent.

Wouldn't they need to stop their murderous ways instead of just giving it lip service? To me, North, and Phelps might call themselves Christians, but they certainly don't behave in a fashion that I call Christian. But I'm a simpleton.

724 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:02:00pm

re: #695 reine.de.tout

I'll hopefully submit my recipe tomorrow. I think I can knock that out in one sitting.

725 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:02:27pm

Killgore- I'll get to it shortly. Working on another email to someone.

726 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:03:06pm

re: #722 Shug

You can't make this shit up. Barney Fife is alive and well!

Deputies: Banana used as gun in holdup, then eaten

What about a pointed stick?

727 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:03:55pm

re: #723 kansas

Wouldn't they need to stop their murderous ways instead of just giving it lip service? To me, North, and Phelps might call themselves Christians, but they certainly don't behave in a fashion that I call Christian. But I'm a simpleton.

Oh, yes. Repentance involves turning away, walking in the newness of life.

728 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:04:11pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

ADNAN OKTAR: "I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy." That same rubbish has been peddled by both Ben Stein and Glen Beck.

729 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:05:10pm

re: #726 Bloodnok

What about a pointed stick?

First you need to find out how to defend yourself against a fiend armed with a strawberry.

730 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:05:53pm

re: #728 MrPaulRevere

ADNAN OKTAR: "I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy." That same rubbish has been peddled by both Ben Stein and Glen Beck.

Must be those 'militant' Darwinists we keep hearing about./

731 SteveC  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:06:01pm

re: #722 Shug

You can't make this shit up. Barney Fife is alive and well!

Deputies: Banana used as gun in holdup, then eaten

Mabe says deputies took pictures of the peel. Forsyth County Sheriff's office spokesman Maj. Brad Stanley says deputies joked about charging Szwalla with destroying evidence.

"You think Grissom can get DNA off of a Banana peel?"

"Hell, Grissom can get DNA off of anything! Bag it!"

732 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:06:40pm

re: #727 MandyManners

Oh, yes. Repentance involves turning away, walking in the newness of life.

So then if one simply continued then they had not truly repented, would they correctly be called Christians?

733 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:06:52pm

re: #723 kansas

Wouldn't they need to stop their murderous ways instead of just giving it lip service? To me, North, and Phelps might call themselves Christians, but they certainly don't behave in a fashion that I call Christian. But I'm a simpleton.

Lip service is not repentance.

At least not what I would consider repentance.

734 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:07:02pm

re: #728 MrPaulRevere

ADNAN OKTAR: "I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy." That same rubbish has been peddled by both Ben Stein and Glen Beck.

That's the deus ex machina of the unintelligent creationists. Same old revisionist history beginning with Darwin.

735 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:08:12pm

re: #728 MrPaulRevere

Even wars before he was born...? A la the Bevis and Butthead movie, (paraphrased) "When asked how he committed these atrocious murders 15 years before he was born, the authorities answered, 'He was veeerry clever'".

736 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:08:19pm

re: #720 Altermite

I could not afford the ammo, much less the machine gun.

737 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:08:54pm

re: #733 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lip service is not repentance.

At least not what I would consider repentance.

So I guess in the North case, what with advocating murder, i.e. stoning, is he a Christian, or does he merely call himself a Christian?

738 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:08:57pm

re: #717 MandyManners

The gift of salvation is open to all who repent.

This is the problem with my brother "Judas" and his wife (my ex-) "Jezebal" (aka "Jabba the Slutt"). These two are very active in fundamentalist circles, and they have dominionist leanings. Judas recently declined an invitation to help with an associate's testimony at a creationist-instigated school board hearing (my mother whispered in his ear that I would show up if he did).

I have been asked what it would take for me to forgive them. The answer is simple: They would have to ask. So far, they don't even admit the need.

739 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:10:03pm

re: #732 kansas

So then if one simply continued then they had not truly repented, would they correctly be called Christians?

I won't judge someone who acts in what I consider a wrong manner. I just won't consider them a role model for a penitent life.

740 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:10:17pm

re: #732 kansas

So then if one simply continued then they had not truly repented, would they correctly be called Christians?

How can you be a Christian if you don't follow His word?

741 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:11:01pm

re: #703 rain of lead

ain't it great to be a dad to daughters.
I kinda like hannah montana
cheetah girls....not so much

Sure is. I get something different from them than I do from the boy. Being a dad to girls has made me more thoughtful.

742 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:11:15pm

re: #726 Bloodnok

Once had an idiot try to rob me with a pellet gun that he had removed the insert from the barrel so it resemble a 38 size bore. He was lucky I could not get a clear shot at him. He broke the barrel off the pistol as he was scrambling to get away.

743 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:11:23pm

re: #740 MandyManners

Sorry to have sparked a war of words here... but it seems that opinions are divided between the "his words" and "the book". Is this a common rift? (Serious question).

744 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:11:37pm

Zimre: #652 Zimriel

Or maybe it was a huge problem which got solved on time.

Zimriel -

The "add a digit" solution was so obvious that BOZO the CLOWN would have done it if he could write code. It was overblown, AND sold a LOT of NEW COMPUTERS. Economic Stimulus at its best.

-S-

745 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:11:44pm

re: #738 Shiplord Kirel

This is the problem with my brother "Judas" and his wife (my ex-) "Jezebal" (aka "Jabba the Slutt"). These two are very active in fundamentalist circles, and they have dominionist leanings. Judas recently declined an invitation to help with an associate's testimony at a creationist-instigated school board hearing (my mother whispered in his ear that I would show up if he did).

I have been asked what it would take for me to forgive them. The answer is simple: They would have to ask. So far, they don't even admit the need.

Your brother married your ex-wife? Were they carrying on while you were still married?

746 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:11:44pm

re: #737 kansas

So I guess in the North case, what with advocating murder, i.e. stoning, is he a Christian, or does he merely call himself a Christian?

I could call myself a kumquat, but does doing so make me one?

I call myself an Independent Conservative, but quite a number of people here and elsewhere have told me a spectrum of things that I supposedly am.

747 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:12:15pm

re: #728 MrPaulRevere

ADNAN OKTAR: "I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy." That same rubbish has been peddled by both Ben Stein and Glen Beck.

Hmmmmm, considering that wars and anarchy date to the earliest dawnings of mankind, approximately 1 million years before Darwin was born, Adnan may have a little trouble defending his thesis. Revolutions -- hmm, well, depends on what you mean by "revolution," but I'd date them back to ancient Rome at the latest. And then of course the French Revolution ad the American Revolution both happened before Darwin was born as well.....

748 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:12:22pm

re: #743 Dan G.

Sorry to have sparked a war of words here... but it seems that opinions are divided between the "his words" and "the book". Is this a common rift? (Serious question).

I have no idea.

749 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:12:37pm

re: #725 Sharmuta

Killgore- I'll get to it shortly. Working on another email to someone.

What is the deadline for submissions? Thinking about sending in my "Sundae Bloody Sundae" recipe.

750 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:12:56pm

re: #738 Shiplord Kirel

This is the problem with my brother "Judas" and his wife (my ex-) "Jezebal" (aka "Jabba the Slutt"). These two are very active in fundamentalist circles, and they have dominionist leanings. Judas recently declined an invitation to help with an associate's testimony at a creationist-instigated school board hearing (my mother whispered in his ear that I would show up if he did).

I have been asked what it would take for me to forgive them. The answer is simple: They would have to ask. So far, they don't even admit the need.

Sorry for your pain, but it is my observation that forgiveness actually helps the forgiver more than the forgiven. Not sure I could forgive them. Pretty sure in fact I couldn't. Just a suggestion though.

751 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:13:12pm

re: #747 zombie

He's a sneaky one that Darwin.
/

752 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:13:22pm

People like Gary North will argue -- very forcefully -- that they ARE following Christ's word. And they'll cite chapter and verse to back it up.

753 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:13:29pm

Maybe Oktar believes that materialistic beliefs pre-dated Darwin.

754 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:13:42pm

re: #740 MandyManners

How can you be a Christian if you don't follow His word?

My opinion is that you would not be.

755 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:14:03pm

re: #752 Charles

People like Gary North will argue -- very forcefully -- that they ARE following Christ's word. And they'll cite chapter and verse to back it up.

The devil can quote scripture.

756 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #738 Shiplord Kirel

Shiplord Kirel -

You, Your-Ex and Your Brother. WOW - do I feel YOUR pain.

-S-

757 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:14:36pm

re: #728 MrPaulRevere

ADNAN OKTAR: "I did some investigation and saw that the Darwinist materialist mindset lies behind all wars, revolutions and anarchy." That same rubbish has been peddled by both Ben Stein and Glen Beck.

And Ann Coulter, and many others. It's all part of the reasoning that without the Bible, we would have no society, which is patently false.

758 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:14:55pm

Gotta' go rassle The Kid back into bed.

759 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:14:57pm

And I say that not to "smear Christians," but to point out that it's not enough to simply say, "Well, they aren't real Christians."

760 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:15:14pm

re: #741 Truck Monkey

thoughtful........hmm, I like that.
girls sure do come at things with a different point of view.

761 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:15:31pm

re: #733 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lip service is not repentance.

At least not what I would consider repentance.

You are correct.
The ability to state that one "repents" after one has done something evil or has sinned is NOT A LICENSE TO CONTINUE SINNING, which includes, of course, doing evil.

I know I've told this before.
I was not allowed as a teen to go see the "beach blanket" movies or Elvis movies. My mom and I went round and round on this.

I discovered a friend of mine was allowed to go to these movies, AS LONG AS she went to confession afterwards.

I went home and presented what I thought was this wonderful solution to the problem of me not being able to go to movies I wanted to see - and my mom told me right quick that that was the stupidest idea she had ever heard, for just the reason I stated above.

Learned my lesson.

762 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:15:46pm

re: #746 FurryOldGuyJeans

I could call myself a kumquat, but does doing so make me one?

I call myself an Independent Conservative, but quite a number of people here and elsewhere have told me a spectrum of things that I supposedly am.

You apparently are not a kumquat.

763 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:16:31pm

I must be lucky. In my entire life, no one has ever tried to convert me to Christianity.

Well, "mainstream" Christianity at least.

Upon further reflection, I have been proselytized by:

Mormons
Scientologists
Jehovah's Witnesses
Moonies
Falun Gong-ites
Gardnerian Wiccans
Amway people

...and that's about it, that I can think of. Never once by a vanilla quote-unquote "Christian." Strange.

764 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:16:41pm

re: #759 Charles

Well, they aren't real Scottish Christians!

/

765 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:16:49pm

re: #755 MandyManners

The devil can quote scripture.

You said it better than I could.

The apples from North's tree are rotten to the core, his words mean nothing.

766 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:16:57pm

re: #749 Jimmah

What is the deadline for submissions? Thinking about sending in my "Sundae Bloody Sundae" recipe.

Well, send it on in! click my nic for info and e-mail addys where to send the recipes.

June 30th is the deadline, btw.

But go ahead and do it now, while you're thinking about it!
Or Sharmuta might start yelling at you.
And we don't want that to happen.

767 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:17:04pm

re: #745 MandyManners

Your brother married your ex-wife? Were they carrying on while you were still married?

Oh yes. They also kidnapped my daughter and brainwashed her with their version of the story. She is 32 years old now and has yet to recover (but finding out that I am not a monster helped a great deal).

768 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:17:05pm

re: #755 MandyManners

The devil can quote scripture.

Gary North is a real human being with many followers. Not "the devil."

769 Truck Monkey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:17:21pm

re: #760 rain of lead

thoughtful........hmm, I like that.
girls sure do come at things with a different point of view.

They have a different outlook on the world. I have never been around little girls before I had them. It has made me look at a lot of things differently. I am better for it.

770 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:17:21pm

re: #752 Charles

People like Gary North will argue -- very forcefully -- that they ARE following Christ's word. And they'll cite chapter and verse to back it up.

They will argue with Jesus himself, I believe.

771 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:18:03pm

re: #744 Dr. Shalit

Zim

Zimriel -

The "add a digit" solution was so obvious that BOZO the CLOWN would have done it if he could write code. It was overblown, AND sold a LOT of NEW COMPUTERS. Economic Stimulus at its best.

-S-

Read my earlier note.
How do you add a digit to millions of already-recorded records on tape and disk?
Stop insulting people who know much more about the field than you do.
And no, I did NOT work on the y2k problem, but I do work in software.

772 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:18:10pm

re: #762 kansas

You apparently are not a kumquat.

*Whew!* Thanks for telling me, I was getting a bit worried. ;)

773 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:18:27pm

There are miles and miles of bookshelves in the Vatican filled with tomes ancient and modern attempting to distill Cathoilicism into a Universal truth. And that's just Catholicism. To think that any single person or group has a full grasp of the true meaning of "Christian" is folly.
You know it when you see it.

774 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:18:42pm

re: #770 Sharmuta

What makes it stick with their followers though? Any thoughts? Are they just rationalizing preexisting bigotry?

775 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:18:54pm

re: #759 Charles

And I say that not to "smear Christians," but to point out that it's not enough to simply say, "Well, they aren't real Christians."

Charles -

Put it like this, coming from a man who has sinned, & is NOT Christian.

YOU'VE GOT SOME 'SPLAININ' TO DO. That is all.

-S-

776 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:19:03pm

Of those who tried to convert me, the ones who really really tried the hardest were the Scientologists, the Moonies, and the Mormons. All three used the "You are not allowed to leave the building quite yet" tactic. Of those three, the Mormons were far and away the least sinister. But the Moonies and the Scientologists -- hoo boy, stay away from those people. Far, far away.

The other groups were more pro-forma feeble attempts.

777 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:19:15pm

re: #759 Charles

And I say that not to "smear Christians," but to point out that it's not enough to simply say, "Well, they aren't real Christians."

I suppose to continue along these lines we need to agree on what constitutes a real Christian as opposed to a stoning homophobic murderer who says he is a Christian?

778 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:19:30pm

re: #763 zombie

Amway people? Horrors.

779 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:19:55pm

re: #687 Dan G.

On that note, isn't the standard that once someone accepts christ as their savior, then they're christian? I seriously don't know, anyone willing to clarify that for me?

Christian means Christ like, like Jesus.......take it from there....

780 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:20:24pm

re: #760 rain of lead

thoughtful........hmm, I like that.
girls sure do come at things with a different point of view.

Help me, I have four.

781 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:20:28pm

re: #777 kansas

Its that the basis for many wars in the past, i.e. fighting over what, in fact, constitutes a christian?

782 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:20:44pm

re: #778 abolitionist

Amway people? Horrors.

Seriously. I actually broke out laughing, their spiel was so crazy. They actually believe in the concept of the pyramid scheme as if it was a religious doctrine.

783 WindHorse  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:03pm

re: #776 zombie

Ahhh.... Reverend Moon say... "Everybody kick in fifty bucks."

784 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:13pm

re: #774 Dan G.

What makes it stick with their followers though? Any thoughts? Are they just rationalizing preexisting bigotry?

I don't know. Possibly it's being used for a rationalizing thing. A lot of it is fear- these preachers push the fear of hell into people, and it's much easier to keep them in line that way. And using fear as a mechanism to control people is used in other religions as well as dictatorships.

785 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:23pm

re: #752 Charles

People like Gary North will argue -- very forcefully -- that they ARE following Christ's word. And they'll cite chapter and verse to back it up.

People use scripture to prove whatever they want, especially by taking things out of context. That's nothing new.

Oh yeah, I dig your new avatar.

786 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:47pm

From the Malkin thread on Huntsman:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Good news is, when the O ship sinks, some of these RINOs will be going down with it.


-

This progressive is toast. Flushed out another one …

-

Another “moderate” quisling runs after Obama’s feckless handout.


-

After hearing Huntsman come out for civil unions and Global Warming, I found myself hoping someone would put him on a slow boat to China. It looks like the Obamessiah has granted my wish for change…


-

Another RINO bowing to the annointed one……. Yawn

And so on. What these true Scottsmen conservatives are blind to is that they have become as venomous as MoveOn, etc.

787 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:50pm

re: #777 kansas

I suppose to continue along these lines we need to agree on what constitutes a real Christian as opposed to a stoning homophobic murderer who says he is a Christian?

I think we might have to let God sort them out.

788 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:57pm
789 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:21:58pm

re: #768 Charles

Gary North is a real human being with many followers. Not "the devil."

Correct. Gary North is a product of his own upbringing, environment, education, and his own self-consciousness. His words and actions are all a bi-product of his own synaptic processes. There is nothing spiritual or metaphysical about his being and he alone is responsible for his own failings along with his gullible followers.

790 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:22:10pm

re: #722 Shug

How to say it in Russian (not all of the characters are going to come through): Грабитель из Северной Каролины съел вещдок в ожидании полиции

They include a pic of the perp.

791 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:22:10pm

re: #784 Sharmuta

I've never been around such types, but the use of fear, as you mention, makes sense as it "works" in many contexts.

792 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:22:31pm

re: #780 ilzito guacamolito

Help me, I have four.

I've got three. And they're growing up.

/uh oh

793 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:22:44pm

re: #776 zombie

I used to go to a website that "tracked" Scientology. It was called "Clambake" or "Clamshell" or something like that. Anyway, the bizarre and extreme things that the Scientologists did to recruit/retain/intimidate people was a real eye-opener. I used to think of them as harmless until I saw (purportedly) real life accounts of what they do to people who tick them off.
Don't know if they're a "Religion" per se, but if they are, they're the lamest one ever.

794 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:22:44pm

re: #786 freetoken

A tax reformer and fiscally responsible Governor is a RINO....

Unbelievable.

795 WindHorse  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:22:51pm

re: #782 zombie

Zombie, I think we should have lunch next Tuesday.....

796 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:23:11pm

re: #763 zombie

I must be lucky. In my entire life, no one has ever tried to convert me to Christianity.

I've had Mormons(come to our secret backyard prayer meetings and get a present - just don't tell your parents), Jehovas Witnesses(I'd like to talk to you about the peace of our Lord), Hare Krishnas(Say Gouranga!) and Christians(have you ever thought about Jesus?).

797 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:23:20pm

re: #767 Shiplord Kirel

Oh yes. They also kidnapped my daughter and brainwashed her with their version of the story. She is 32 years old now and has yet to recover (but finding out that I am not a monster helped a great deal).


Oh my. Words escape me...

798 SteveC  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:24:30pm

re: #778 abolitionist

Amway people? Horrors.

Diabolical!

799 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:24:36pm

re: #787 Sharmuta

Keeping people away from the "filtering" job is, I would contend, one of the greatest things that happened in America. I like the fact that the definition of christian is allowed to be ambiguous... life is less bloody that way.

800 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:24:39pm

re: #722 Shug

You can't make this shit up. Barney Fife is alive and well!

Deputies: Banana used as gun in holdup, then eaten

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

801 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:25:12pm

re: #786 freetoken

From the Malkin thread on Huntsman:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

And so on. What these true Scottsmen conservatives are blind to is that they have become as venomous as MoveOn, etc.

That's some incredibly ugly stuff. It's become painful to read through comments at Malkin's site and at Hot Air.

The GOP is in big trouble, and the crazies are taking over.

802 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:25:24pm

re: #783 WindHorse

Ahhh.... Reverend Moon say... "Everybody kick in fifty bucks."

It was a sorry day when the Moonies took over United Press International, though did have a silver lining in persuading Helen Thomas to resign after using UPI cover to badger every Republican president since (I believe) U.S. Grant.

803 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:25:29pm

re: #794 Sharmuta

A tax reformer and fiscally responsible Governor is a RINO....

Unbelievable.

Simply because he doesn't support 100% the SoCon position of Creationism is Science and Gays are Evil, un-frikking-believable.

804 JHW  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:25:47pm

re: #776 zombie

Since you're in California I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Soka Gakkai. When I was at Ft. Ord there were a lot of Japanese girls hanging around Monterey trying to drum up new members.

805 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:25:51pm

re: #763 zombie

Gardnerian Wiccans? Wow. Most of the Wiccans I know are still in the broom closet. Maybe it's because you are in Cali and I'm in Baltimore!

806 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:26:30pm

re: #792 Ward Cleaver

I've got three. And they're growing up.

/uh oh

How old are they?

807 WindHorse  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:26:37pm

re: #802 Shiplord Kirel

yeah, and don't the Moonies own the Empire State building? (or they did?)

808 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:27:44pm

re: #768 Charles

Gary North is a real human being with many followers. Not "the devil."

There are people who believe in some form of "Christian Reconstructionism" who are not followers of North, and likewise there are followers of North who are not specifically Christian Reconstructionists but are attracted to the economic positions.

I'd say the biggest influence is going through Lew Rockwell into certain financial schools of thought, where raising the VonMises banner gets them entry.

There are also elements of Evangelical and Charismatic American Christianity that has picked up parts of Rushdoony's beliefs, but not all of them.

We live in a fairly religious society. The ideological buffet is full of tasty morsels.

809 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #786 freetoken

From the Malkin thread on Huntsman:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

And so on. What these true Scottsmen conservatives are blind to is that they have become as venomous as MoveOn, etc.

Michelle, how does it feel to become what they've always said you were? Sad. I used to like her site (haven't looked at it in ages).

810 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:28:07pm

The Washington Times, by the way, is owned by Sun Myung Moon too.

811 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:28:44pm

re: #805 Catttt

Remember the Children of God with their Flirty Fishing?

812 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:29:29pm

re: #810 Charles

The Washington Times, by the way, is owned by Sun Myung Moon too.

Yikes. I did not know that.

813 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:29:46pm

re: #811 FamHistoryGuy

... and Deep Witnessing, if I recall. I've considered using that as an epithet. As in, go deep witness yourself. ;)

814 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:30:43pm

My ex was an easy mark. He dragged me to an Amway thing that was very culty. He wanted to do it, but I am an awful salesman and knew people would run screaming if I mentioned Amway. I remember them showing me this spray that keeps your mirror from fogging up. I said "so does polishing with soap." They didn't have an answer. Thank goodness, a friend of my ex's told him he was insane, so he dropped it. Very easily swayed, as you might guess, was my ex.

815 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:30:52pm

re: #801 Charles

That's some incredibly ugly stuff. It's become painful to read through comments at Malkin's site and at Hot Air.

The GOP is in big trouble, and the crazies are taking over.

Huntsman speaks Mandarin, and has experience as an ambassador. He sounds like a good pick for the job.

816 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:31:12pm

I come into this thread late, but I want to point out there are also Jewish creationists, David Klinghoffer for example.

I'm still reading The Challenge of Creation, in which Rabbi Nathan Slifkin explains why it is NOT heretical and blasphemous to believe in Evolution, on the contrary, he argues that it is a normal part of our tradition of rational inquiry.

817 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:31:37pm

re: #810 Charles

The Washington Times, by the way, is owned by Sun Myung Moon too.

Yes, the liberals have always loved to throw that around.

818 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:31:38pm

re: #786 freetoken

From the Malkin thread on Huntsman:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

And so on. What these true Scottsmen conservatives are blind to is that they have become as venomous as MoveOn, etc.

RINO, right. I wonder what the opposite of RINO be?

This is all so very interesting. In the last election Elizabeth Dole was trounced by Kay Hagan by around 53 to 44. Biggest win in North Carolina ever. I don't think Dole was considered a RINO by these simpletons.

819 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:31:50pm

re: #810 Charles

The Washington Times, by the way, is owned by Sun Myung Moon too.

Looks like I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.

820 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:32:10pm

re: #763 zombie

I must be lucky. In my entire life, no one has ever tried to convert me to Christianity.

Well, "mainstream" Christianity at least.

Upon further reflection, I have been proselytized by:

Mormons
Scientologists
Jehovah's Witnesses
Moonies
Falun Gong-ites
Gardnerian Wiccans
Amway people

...and that's about it, that I can think of. Never once by a vanilla quote-unquote "Christian." Strange.

Actually I find that a bit astonishing. Must be the geography. At least twice a month I am visited by Baptist/born again believers. Usually I will greet them at the door, palm up, and inform them that we are all Jewish here. This brings a certain stunned silence as they have obviously never encountered a Jew. They will wordlessly back away all the while examining me for horns or a tail. Pretty funny really, since only my wife and daughter are Jewish.

821 SteveC  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:32:10pm
822 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:32:13pm

re: #769 Truck Monkey

They have a different outlook on the world. I have never been around little girls before I had them. It has made me look at a lot of things differently. I am better for it.

amen,brother
amen.

823 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:32:36pm

re: #776 zombie

I dated a woman who was thinking of converting to Mormonism a while back, and I have to say that while it definitely was not for me and I found it personally bizarre, Mormons struck me as more grounded than say, the Bob Jones University crowd.

824 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:32:46pm

re: #810 Charles

The Washington Times, by the way, is owned by Sun Myung Moon too.

Holy shit!

825 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:33:21pm

re: #801 Charles

The GOP is in big trouble, and the crazies are taking over.

OK, now I want to link Fun Boy Three again.

826 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:33:28pm

re: #794 Sharmuta

A tax reformer and fiscally responsible Governor is a RINO....

Unbelievable.

Sharmuta -

With you on this one. The UT Ex-Gov will be an Ambassador to China who can actually speak Chinese - How Novel!

-S-

827 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:33:36pm

re: #818 Gus 802

RINO, right. I wonder what the opposite of RINO be?

This is all so very interesting. In the last election Elizabeth Dole was trounced by Kay Hagan by around 53 to 44. Biggest win in North Carolina ever. I don't think Dole was considered a RINO by these simpletons.

Dole got caught up in the Dem landslide, and she tried smearing Hagan, which backfired on her.

828 cronus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:33:53pm

re: #810 Charles

The Washington Times, by the way, is owned by Sun Myung Moon too.

Which is why IDer Jonathan Wells is regularly featured there.

Evening Lizards

829 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:33:59pm

re: #824 jorline

Holy shit!

You didn't know that?

830 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:34:08pm

re: #818 Gus 802

RINO, right. I wonder what the opposite of RINO be?

This is all so very interesting. In the last election Elizabeth Dole was trounced by Kay Hagan by around 53 to 44. Biggest win in North Carolina ever. I don't think Dole was considered a RINO by these simpletons.

Dole's idiotic "Godless" commercial stunt had a hand in that.

831 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:34:43pm

re: #824 jorline

I've heard he also owns (or did) a college in Connecticut. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't recall the name. Pretty normal college as far as I know, but that might have changed. Bridgeport, maybe? Any CT lizards know?

832 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:34:48pm

re: #815 Ward Cleaver

Huntsman speaks Mandarin, and has experience as an ambassador. He sounds like a good pick for the job.


Your pragmatism reveals your treachery! We'll Tea Party until Glenn Beck unveils the seventh sign and then we'll storm the Gates of Mordor and reclaim the Articles of Liberty From the Visigoths!
/ron paul

833 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:02pm

re: #761 reine.de.tout

You are correct.
The ability to state that one "repents" after one has done something evil or has sinned is NOT A LICENSE TO CONTINUE SINNING, which includes, of course, doing evil.

I know I've told this before.
I was not allowed as a teen to go see the "beach blanket" movies or Elvis movies. My mom and I went round and round on this.

I discovered a friend of mine was allowed to go to these movies, AS LONG AS she went to confession afterwards.

I went home and presented what I thought was this wonderful solution to the problem of me not being able to go to movies I wanted to see - and my mom told me right quick that that was the stupidest idea she had ever heard, for just the reason I stated above.

Learned my lesson.

Maybe it was not such a bad idea for Catholicism to provide a quick and easy solution, at least for such minor infractions.

834 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:34pm

re: #811 FamHistoryGuy

Remember the Children of God with their Flirty Fishing?

Yikes again!

Family of God, now known as Family International

A central tenet to their theology is the "Law of Love," which, stated simply, claims that if a person's actions are motivated by unselfish, sacrificial love and are not intentionally hurtful to others, such actions are in accordance with Scripture and are, thus, lawful in the eyes of God. They believe that this tenet supersedes all other Biblical laws, except those forbidding male homosexuality, which they believe is sin. Female bisexuality is sanctioned, though female homosexuality at the complete exclusion of men is not permitted. They believe that God created human sexuality, that it is a natural, emotional, and physical need, and that heterosexual relations between consenting adults is a pure and natural wonder of God's creation,[4] and permissible according to Scripture. Teenagers from the age of 16 are allowed to have sex with other members under age 21. Since 1986,[5] sex between minors and adults is forbidden. Adult members may have sex with any other adult member of the opposite sex, and are encouraged to do so, regardless of marital status, as a way to foster unity and combat loneliness of those "in need". This is commonly called "sharing" or "sacrificial sex".

835 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:35pm

re: #829 Ward Cleaver

You didn't know that?

I'm pretty surprised I hadn't heard it before. Maybe I did and just didn't care at the time.

836 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:41pm

There is no candy.

837 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:43pm

re: #776 zombie

Of those who tried to convert me, the ones who really really tried the hardest were the Scientologists, the Moonies, and the Mormons. All three used the "You are not allowed to leave the building quite yet" tactic. Of those three, the Mormons were far and away the least sinister. But the Moonies and the Scientologists -- hoo boy, stay away from those people. Far, far away.

The other groups were more pro-forma feeble attempts.

Mormons really do have a well defined code of conduct regarding their missionaries. Pretty admirable all in all. They will knock and ask. From there it is up to you.

838 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:53pm

Back from dinner. Did our 'afton' ever fess up as to what nic it had been on here before?

839 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:35:57pm

re: #829 Ward Cleaver

You didn't know that?

No I didn't.
I've always considered myself well read...I learn something new here daily.

840 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:36:00pm

re: #827 Ward Cleaver

Dole got caught up in the Dem landslide, and she tried smearing Hagan, which backfired on her.

Right. Ironically enough her attempt at smearing Hagan employed some of the current talking points being taken on by the so called right-wing pundits as we see on Fox -- such as Sean Hannity. It was also a reflection of the very same comments and blogs we see mentioned above.

841 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:36:06pm

re: #832 Killgore Trout

Your pragmatism reveals your treachery! We'll Tea Party until Glenn Beck unveils the seventh sign and then we'll storm the Gates of Mordor and reclaim the Articles of Liberty From the Visigoths!
/ron paul

No zen strawberry for you.

842 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:36:14pm

re: #830 Bloodnok

Dole's idiotic "Godless" commercial stunt had a hand in that.

That's what I was thinking of (the smear).

843 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:36:18pm

re: #832 Killgore Trout

Your pragmatism reveals your treachery! We'll Tea Party until Glenn Beck unveils the seventh sign and then we'll storm the Gates of Mordor and reclaim the Articles of Liberty From the Visigoths!
/ron paul

LOL!

844 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:36:28pm

re: #825 Catttt

OK, now I want to link Fun Boy Three again.



Flashing back to college, thank you very much!

845 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:36:40pm

re: #830 Bloodnok

Dole's idiotic "Godless" commercial stunt had a hand in that.

Bingo!

So yeah, the GOP is going to listen to Sean Hannity and the other kooks?

846 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #833 Spare O'Lake

Maybe it was not such a bad idea for Catholicism to provide a quick and easy solution, at least for such minor infractions.

I remember accidentally eating a hot dog on Friday, while at a friend's house. I called my mom, and she called the priest. He said it was ok. True story.

847 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:37:15pm

re: #801 Charles

The GOP is in big trouble, and the crazies are taking over.

If things keep going as they are, I can almost see a far right extremist objecting to being 'mainstreamed' and starting a 'take back the fringe' movement. "I didn't go out of my way to adopt all of these insane positions just to thought of as a regular republican!"

848 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:37:55pm

re: #816 Alouette

I come into this thread late, but I want to point out there are also Jewish creationists, David Klinghoffer for example.

Michael Medved apparently is one as well.

849 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:37:56pm

re: #836 Charles

Cake is a lie!

850 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:38:16pm

re: #834 Shiplord Kirel

They were a pretty sad bunch in Thailand in the early '70s.

851 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:38:33pm

re: #839 jorline

No I didn't.
I've always considered myself well read...I learn something new here daily.

I think I read that somewhere, 20 or so years ago. It's always made me a little uneasy about them, plus I never use their articles to challenge liberals, since I know they'll say that the WashTimes is owned by the Moonies. They do have some good writers though, like Bill Sammon.

852 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:39:03pm

re: #849 Killgore Trout
It is not!
You cakeist you!

853 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:39:23pm

re: #841 Bloodnok

No zen strawberry for you.


Ah, you cannot take my zen strawberry. That's unpossible.

854 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:39:41pm

re: #845 Gus 802

Bingo!

So yeah, the GOP is going to listen to Sean Hannity and the other kooks?

That's what happens when there is a vacuum in leadership.

855 TedStriker  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:39:44pm

re: #838 pingjockey

Back from dinner. Did our 'afton' ever fess up as to what nic it had been on here before?

No...doesn't matter now, because Charles gave it the stick.

856 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:39:47pm

re: #851 Ward Cleaver

I think I read that somewhere, 20 or so years ago. It's always made me a little uneasy about them, plus I never use their articles to challenge liberals, since I know they'll say that the WashTimes is owned by the Moonies. They do have some good writers though, like Bill Sammon.

Sammon left. He's with the Washington Examiner.

857 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:40:04pm

re: #836 Charles

There is no candy.


Charles -

Not much HUMOR either. That is enough.

-S-

858 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:40:14pm

re: #851 Ward Cleaver
I really thought Moon and his bunch had left! Shows how much I don't know.

859 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:40:35pm

re: #846 Catttt

I remember accidentally eating a hot dog on Friday, while at a friend's house. I called my mom, and she called the priest. He said it was ok. True story.

I still try to avoid eating meat on Fridays, since the rule wasn't really rescinded; you're either supposed to avoid meat, or sacrifice something else (perform some act of service), as an alternative.

860 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:01pm
861 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:07pm

re: #856 kansas

Sammon left. He's with the Washington Examiner.

Smart move. The Examiner is an up-and-comer.

862 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:09pm

re: #855 talon_262
Ah ha! Figured that might happen. Oh well.

863 SteveC  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:15pm

re: #832 Killgore Trout

Your pragmatism reveals your treachery! We'll Tea Party until Glenn Beck unveils the seventh sign and then we'll storm the Gates of Mordor and reclaim the Articles of Liberty From the Visigoths!
/ron paul

Back off man... I'm a scientist! :)

864 solomonpanting  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:26pm

One day while working in a garage, I was approached by a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses. Sometimes I feel like engaging them and asked them if it was a sin that some people lied to Nazis in order to protect Jews they were hiding. They didn't answer but asked if I was some kind of philosopher.
:?
I lost a bit o' respect after that.

865 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #856 kansas

Sammon left. He's with the Washington Examiner.

KS -

They still have Bill Gertz and De Borchegrave of all people.

-S-

866 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:41pm

re: #858 pingjockey

I just checked his Wiki. He's 89 years old. So when he dies, do all of his holdings (presumably he's a multi-billionaire by now) convey to his Church or to his family, I wonder?

867 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:41:43pm

re: #859 Ward Cleaver

I still try to avoid eating meat on Fridays, since the rule wasn't really rescinded; you're either supposed to avoid meat, or sacrifice something else (perform some act of service), as an alternative.

I'm not Catholic, but I still miss fish sticks on Friday.

868 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:31pm

Where's mah momma and mah daddy?

869 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:36pm

re: #836 Charles

There is no candy.



I hate fucking commies.

870 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:37pm

re: #866 Lincolntf
Probably to his cats!

871 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:37pm

There is no candy. Or sugar tonight in my coffee.

872 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #851 Ward Cleaver

I think I read that somewhere, 20 or so years ago. It's always made me a little uneasy about them, plus I never use their articles to challenge liberals, since I know they'll say that the WashTimes is owned by the Moonies. They do have some good writers though, like Bill Sammon.

I would have believed the NY Times....Moonbats everywhere.

873 MandyManners  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:49pm

re: #768 Charles

Gary North is a real human being with many followers. Not "the devil."

That's not what i meant at all. I was using an old saying that means that just because someone can cherry-pick a few scriptures does not mean he or she is a Christian.

874 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:42:56pm

re: #865 Dr. Shalit

KS -

They still have Bill Gertz and De Borchegrave of all people.

-S-

Arnaud de Borchgrave? Is he still alive? Wow.

875 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:43:03pm

re: #863 SteveC

Back off man... I'm a scientist! :)

Yeah, I was trying to mix Ghost Busters and LotR. It was pretty funny but with a few minutes of googling that comment could have been hilarious.

876 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:43:36pm

re: #854 Sharmuta

That's what happens when there is a vacuum in leadership.

Correct. Michael Steele was neutered early on and is essentially without a voice. Basically whatever leadership there is is being handled behind closed doors and by Fox News demographics and opinion polls. Huntsman already knew that after his governorship in Utah was over that he effectively had no future in national politics with the GOP.

877 wee fury  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:43:47pm

re: #859 Ward Cleaver

I still try to avoid eating meat on Fridays, since the rule wasn't really rescinded; you're either supposed to avoid meat, or sacrifice something else (perform some act of service), as an alternative.

An old nun told me: If you can tell yourself 'no' to something you really really want -- then you are an adult.

878 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:44:08pm

re: #868 Charles
What in hell is that Charles? Was it a tv show about commies?

879 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:44:13pm

re: #858 pingjockey

I really thought Moon and his bunch had left! Shows how much I don't know.

Evening ping...were you'll dogging sock puppets today?

880 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:45:18pm

re: #868 Charles

Lol!

881 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:45:49pm

re: #868 Charles

Where's mah momma and mah daddy?

Cut off the kids head. Different kind of outfit for a Muslim.

882 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:46:11pm

re: #871 Sharmuta

There is no candy. Or sugar tonight in my coffee.

We had chocolate ice cream for dessert. Wal-Mart rolled back the price on Blue Bell to $3.66 a half-gallon. It was five dollars and something.

/wow!

883 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #823 MrPaulRevere

I dated a woman who was thinking of converting to Mormonism a while back, and I have to say that while it definitely was not for me and I found it personally bizarre, Mormons struck me as more grounded than say, the Bob Jones University crowd.

I took a summer course in theater at BYU. The course was great - they had fabulous teachers and awesome facilities. They were, however, very straight-laced, but I expected that. There was a (very cute) Jewish boy from Las Vegas in the program. I had a crush on him. He had long hair, so he borrowed a short wig from me and wore it to breakfast, lunch, and dinner (otherwise, they wouldn't serve him).

A lot of the Mormon kids just went hog wild - first time away from home, and they just were not able to self-police themselves, so they fell for all the temptations. Well, it turns out there was a narc in the dorm, and a bunch of them got in deep doo doo.

884 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:46:24pm

Some more specific dirt on the Children of God and their former practice of "Flirty Fishing."

Flirty Fishing (FFing) is the name of a form of evangelistic religious prostitution practiced from around 1974 to 1987 by female members in the new religious movement, the Children of God, now known as The Family International........
The Children of God practiced Flirty fishing and Escort servicing from 1974 until 1987, when it was officially abandoned, partially because of the AIDS epidemic. As the women were expected to keep exact records of their "fruits" (successes), a 1988 statistic showed that more than 223,000 men had been "fished" since 1978—and incidentally that FFing had nevertheless continued into 1988. As the cult generally discourages birth control, the practice also resulted in numerous pregnancies, the offspring of which were termed Jesus babies by the organization.[10]

This is beyond the pale. I had heard rumors and gossip about this for years but it is amazing to see the very worst of the claims documented as fact.

885 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:46:31pm

re: #879 jorline
I was. We had one, don't know if it was a puppet or a for real troll? Had to leave and get dinner for the better half and when I got back it was all over.

886 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:47:08pm

re: #878 pingjockey

What in hell is that Charles? Was it a tv show about commies?

That's a product of the one and only Estus Washington Pirkle.

887 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:47:23pm

re: #877 wee fury

An old nun told me: If you can tell yourself 'no' to something you really really want -- then you are an adult.

Although I have to say, I don't freak out if I eat meat on a Friday. We should eat more fish anyway, since it's healthier.

888 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:48:10pm

re: #886 Charles
Oh come on, that isn't the guys real name...is it?

889 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:48:43pm

re: #886 Charles

That's a product of the one and only Estus Washington Pirkle.

He should have hired Ed Wood to produce his films.

890 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:49:04pm

re: #886 Charles

That's a product of the one and only Estus Washington Pirkle.

Estus

Straight out of central casting.

891 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:49:32pm

re: #888 pingjockey

Oh come on, that isn't the guys real name...is it?

It is, it is.

892 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:49:48pm

re: #890 Gus 802

Estus

Straight out of central casting.

Does he have the same colorist as John F-ing Kerry?

893 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:50:22pm

re: #869 ilzito guacamolito

I hate fucking commies.

Are there any exceptions?

894 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #892 ilzito guacamolito

Does he have the same colorist as John F-ing Kerry?

Nah, Phil Donohue.

895 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #893 Spare O'Lake
That's boobs, not commies!

896 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:51:33pm

re: #886 Charles

That's a product of the one and only Estus Washington Pirkle.

Well, to be fair, there were Christians who became martyrs at the hands of the Communists. That video, though? It's out there.

897 Ojoe  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:51:42pm
898 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:51:56pm

re: #893 Spare O'Lake

Are there any exceptions?

I question her judgement. Wasn't/isn't she married to RingoStarr?

899 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:52:21pm

re: #891 jcm
I did an online search and couldn' find squat.

900 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:53:06pm

re: #898 ilzito guacamolito
What's wrong with Ringo?

901 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:53:10pm

re: #886 Charles

That's a product of the one and only Estus Washington Pirkle.

That is really wacko.

How the heck is "If Footmen Tire You, What Will Horses Do?" a reference to communism?" Footmen tiring you makes me think of hot footmen in a British historical romance, not communism. Hmmmmm.

902 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:53:19pm

re: #899 pingjockey

I did an online search and couldn' find squat.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

903 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:53:24pm

re: #871 Sharmuta

There is no candy. Or sugar tonight in my coffee.

You don't say!

904 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:53:45pm

re: #889 kansas

He should have hired Ed Wood to produce his films.

It's a great irony of Hollywood history that a film about the monumentally un-talented Ed Wood gained a well-deserved Oscar for Martin Landau's uncanny portrayal of Bela Lugosi.
Imho, this is probably the best and most convincing actor portrayal of a real person in movie history, all the more because the subject himself was so famliar on the screen.

905 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:53:49pm

re: #883 Catttt

I was absolutely furious with Tony Perkins, Huckabee and the other Protestant gangsters and their machinations against Mitt Romney. Mormons generally speaking are stand up people.

906 Ojoe  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:54:04pm

re: #834 Shiplord Kirel

That outfit was run by one Moses David and they handed out some interesting little pamphlets.

907 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:54:09pm

re: #888 pingjockey

Gotta be a major boost on the road to insanity, having a name like that.
.

908 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #902 kansas
Damn Wiki!

909 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:54:34pm

re: #901 Catttt

Foot soldiers... not valets.

910 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:54:37pm

re: #900 pingjockey

What's wrong with Ringo?

I guess nothing.

911 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:54:48pm
912 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:55:23pm

re: #902 kansas

From that wiki entry, a quote of Pirkle:

"Dancing, the front door to adultery!"

I love to dance... hmmmm... I also prefer the front door to the back door, so maybe there is a connection after all....

913 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:55:36pm

re: #899 pingjockey

I did an online search and couldn' find squat.

Your google fu is weak grasshoppper.
;-P

One of many reasons why I no longer call my self a Baptist, despite coming from a long line of preachers, the last several generations Baptist.

914 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:01pm

re: #912 freetoken

Any quote on what humor is the front door to?

915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:09pm

Proud Daddy moment (if you don't mind).

Daughter was just named "Prom Queen".

916 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:11pm

re: #912 freetoken

From that wiki entry, a quote of Pirkle:


I love to dance... hmmmm... I also prefer the front door to the back door, so maybe there is a connection after all....

And smoking pot leads to heroin.

917 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:16pm

re: #910 ilzito guacamolito
I think he has/had the best looking wife of any of the Beatles and IMO, he never took himself too seriously.

918 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:31pm

re: #907 Jimmah

Gotta be a major boost on the road to insanity, having a name like that.
.

919 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:33pm

re: #905 MrPaulRevere

I don't like to identify people by their Religion, but the dingleberries who screwed Romney are never, ever getting a vote from me.
I don't care where they go on Sundays, they're shady little grubs.

920 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:56:48pm

re: #918 jcm

True.

921 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:57:09pm

re: #897 Ojoe

The Blue-Pink Dusk, the San Gabriel Mountains of California, the Towercam. The Pacific time zone. The Astronomers of UCLA bring you this.

I just posted a link.

Mountains, and everything else, by the Creator.

Good evening all.

Oooh, 74 degrees, nice. It's in the low 70s here, rained today, 1.25" at my house.

922 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:57:39pm

re: #915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OH MY! Get a bigger hat!

923 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #897 Ojoe

Looks like a nice one in Coos Bay tonight too

924 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #917 pingjockey

I think he has/had the best looking wife of any of the Beatles and IMO, he never took himself too seriously.


re: #920 ilzito guacamolito

True.

Sorry, that was meant for you #917.

925 Ojoe  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:58:10pm

re: #905 MrPaulRevere

Yes the Mormons are generally stand up people, There are plenty of them in the BSA & I know them from there.

926 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:58:13pm

re: #915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"applauds"

927 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:58:41pm

re: #900 pingjockey

What's wrong with Ringo?

I love the Beatles, but Ringo - boy, talk about an overachiever!

928 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:58:42pm

re: #922 pingjockey

I sent her a text (among several happy ones), "Better look around for a bucket of pigs blood!"

929 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:59:15pm

re: #905 MrPaulRevere

I was absolutely furious with Tony Perkins, Huckabee and the other Protestant gangsters and their machinations against Mitt Romney. Mormons generally speaking are stand up people.

I agree. I was for Mitt last year, but he didn't have a chance against the bigots.

930 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:59:19pm

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

You don't say!

Total upding.

931 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:59:24pm

re: #909 Dan G.

Foot soldiers... not valets.

Oh. Thanks. Now I know what that Martha Grimes novel's title meant. I thought it was an unusually silly name for a pub at the time. Now it is less so.

I'd rather be tired by footmen.

932 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:59:24pm

re: #915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Proud Daddy moment (if you don't mind).

Daughter was just named "Prom Queen".

How cool! Congrats to her (and you).

933 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 7:59:27pm

re: #924 ilzito guacamolito
No worries! It happens.

934 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:00:08pm

re: #928 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That ain't nice! :)

935 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:00:43pm

re: #923 Killgore Trout

Looks like a nice one in Coos Bay tonight too

Fifty-seven degrees, pull on a sweater.

936 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:00:58pm

More Estus fun!

937 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:00pm

re: #831 Lincolntf

I've heard he also owns (or did) a college in Connecticut. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't recall the name. Pretty normal college as far as I know, but that might have changed. Bridgeport, maybe? Any CT lizards know?

University of Bridgeport - Moon U? Sun Myung Moon bio

Besides the news reports of proselytizing in airports, one of the first things I learned about the Moonies was their intimidation tactics against farmers and other rural landholders in West Virginia in the 1970s, in order to aquire their properties at, umm, below-market prices. Such properties were sought mainly for mineral rights, such as limestone. This mineral is very useful in removing noxious gases in industrial smokestacks, including coal-fired power plants.

My father grew up at a place named Limestone Ridge.

938 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:06pm

My daughter's date came to pick her up tonight. I swear to goodness he looked like the kid from "Big" before he becomes Tom Hanks.

She looked (is) stunning. I am proud of her.

939 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:28pm

re: #922 pingjockey

OH MY! Get a bigger hat!

FBV,
pay no mind to pingjockey
this is a big moment for her!
be proud of and for her!

940 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:33pm

re: #931 Catttt

Sleeping with the help... is that a common theme in romance novels? ;)

941 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:45pm

re: #938 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My daughter's date came to pick her up tonight. I swear to goodness he looked like the kid from "Big" before he becomes Tom Hanks.

She looked (is) stunning. I am proud of her.

He better be a good kid.

942 kansas  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:57pm

re: #935 Ward Cleaver

Fifty-seven degrees, pull on a sweater.

52 here in Kansas. This global warming is about to freeze my ass off.

943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:01:59pm

re: #934 pingjockey

She replied with, "I said the same thing!" She's funny as hell.

944 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:02:17pm

re: #905 MrPaulRevere

I was absolutely furious with Tony Perkins, Huckabee and the other Protestant gangsters and their machinations against Mitt Romney. Mormons generally speaking are stand up people.

My daddy's best friend was a Mormon. They teased each other mercilessly, but it never interfered with their life-long friendship.

945 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:02:24pm

re: #928 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

bwahahahaha
did she get it?

946 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:03:07pm

re: #931 Catttt

The term is ambiguous, as it does mean valet, but in this crazy-ass flick's title, it means, "How can you expect to survive the calvary if you cannot stand up to the foot soldiers?"

947 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:03:24pm

re: #903 Spare O'Lake

You don't say!

Great song! The "New Mother Nature" part sounds like it could fit in a Scooby Doo musical romp.

948 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:03:29pm

re: #939 rain of lead
Not for her! For the proud pappa!

949 Ojoe  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:03:40pm

re: #921 Ward Cleaver

re: #921 Ward Cleaver

Web cams at the Bruichladdich distillery on the island of Islay in Scotland.


The sun is not up there yet, but try these later on. Streaming videos of far northern waters & stills and many things.

950 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:03:46pm

re: #945 rain of lead

Oh yeah.

951 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #940 Dan G.

Sleeping with the help... is that a common theme in romance novels? ;)

Absolutely not. I suspect that guy is actually a lord. It's exceptionally rare for the hero to be lower class, and when he is, it turns out he's actually someone's long-lost son who just became an earl.

952 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:04:19pm

re: #941 Ward Cleaver

She could kick his ass, so I was nice to him.

953 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:04:22pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's great! Congrats to your girl.

954 JHW  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:04:22pm

Jesuits meet Hurons, Canada, 1632
"What about women in your paradise?"

"You wont need them you'll be so happy".

Grumble, grumble, whisper "These white people besides being ugly and helpless hunters, are crazy."
Black Robe

955 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:05:30pm

re: #946 Dan G.

The term is ambiguous, as it does mean valet, but in this crazy-ass flick's title, it means, "How can you expect to survive the calvary if you cannot stand up to the foot soldiers?"

Well, I'm sure the preacherman is spinning in his grave, because now I'm thinking about sexy footmen.

956 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:05:43pm

re: #950 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

she is dad's girl after all :)

957 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:05:51pm

re: #951 Catttt

I didn't think that such themes would make sense in women's romance novels... in some men's pr0n flicks on the other hand...

958 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:06:19pm

re: #955 Catttt

;) The law of unintended consequences.

959 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:07:14pm

re: #955 Catttt
Well that clears that up. The damn title made no sense to me!

960 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:07:56pm

Badda-f**kin'-BOOM, Badda-f**kin'-BING! You have GOT to see this to believe it!

961 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:08:18pm

re: #957 Dan G.

I didn't think that such themes would make sense in women's romance novels... in some men's pr0n flicks on the other hand...

I did read one where the guy was a ratcatcher who had been stolen as a baby by the cook. He had an awesome work partner - a ferret.

962 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:09:09pm

Awwww!

[Link: video.yahoo.com...]

963 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:09:11pm

re: #961 Catttt

Beastmaster? ;)

964 Lincolntf  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:10:08pm

Time to go to bed and get some reading in.
Before I do, have any of you ever read Iain Pears' historical mysteries? "An Instance of the Fingerpost" was his best book, and was probably a best-seller. He's written a couple clunkers since then.
Anyway, I'm halfway throughhis newest, "Stone's Fall", and I recommend it to everyone.

965 American Sabra  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:11:50pm

re: #936 Gus 802

More Estus fun!

That's some crazy stuff! I watched some others too. Makes ya wonder where the kids who participated in these clips are today.

966 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:11:59pm

re: #944 Catttt

My daddy's best friend was a Mormon. They teased each other mercilessly, but it never interfered with their life-long friendship.

I find the reaction to Mormons as some sort of 'other' as little different from the reaction to Jews. It is foreign (the both of them), thus, at best, it is troubling in the typical response thereto.

This is my humble observation as one who is married to a Jew and who was birthed by a Mormon.

F'd up old world it is...

967 dapperdave  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:12:40pm

re: #777 kansas

Jesus said by their fruits you will know them.

968 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:13:45pm

re: #960 Macker

Badda-f**kin'-BOOM, Badda-f**kin'-BING! You have GOT to see this to believe it!

Good performances there - who is that guy?

969 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:14:00pm

re: #960 Macker

Very good impersonations. In the beginning, I thought he was lip-syncing.

970 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:14:40pm

re: #923 Killgore Trout

Looks like a nice one in Coos Bay tonight too

I dated someone from Coos Bay, all the way down here in Cajun Country ....about twenty five years ago. He made it sound like heaven on earth.

971 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:16:16pm

re: #960 Macker

The Leotardo whacking referenced (this never gets old for me):

972 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:16:49pm

re: #965 American Sabra

That's some crazy stuff! I watched some others too. Makes ya wonder where the kids who participated in these clips are today.

It's certainly strange and almost looks like an era I never encountered even during the 1960s. The writer was of the movie was Ron Ormond who made some cheesy sci-fi, Mesa of Lost Women

973 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:16:57pm

Charles slipped away for a burrito I see...they are too good to be true

974 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:16:58pm

Congratulations, FBV!

975 Jimmah  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:17:44pm

Nite folks:)

976 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:18:15pm

re: #970 pink freud

It's pretty nice. Very rural, San Fran-like weather. I'm moving there at my earliest opportunity.

977 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:18:24pm

re: #971 Jimmah

The Leotardo whacking referenced (this never gets old for me):


[Video]

Pop!

978 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #976 Killgore Trout

It's pretty nice. Very rural, San Fran-like weather. I'm moving there at my earliest opportunity.

He grew stuff, too. ;-)

979 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:19:39pm

Charles, why do you hate on dessert so?

The mockery of confections here is almost unbearable!

/dramatic exit

980 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:20:18pm

re: #820 The Shadow Do

Actually I find that a bit astonishing. Must be the geography. At least twice a month I am visited by Baptist/born again believers. Usually I will greet them at the door, palm up, and inform them that we are all Jewish here. This brings a certain stunned silence as they have obviously never encountered a Jew. They will wordlessly back away all the while examining me for horns or a tail. Pretty funny really, since only my wife and daughter are Jewish.

When I lived in Germany I dated a girl who looked like Grace Kelly and knew it. She was also a single mom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses were on her like stink on a monkey. Every Saturday, at ten in the morning, two males in their skinny ties would show up to convert this scarlet woman from her wicked ways.

Until one day she answered the door starkers.

Her description of red about-to-explode faces above the clean white shirts as they stuttered, spluttered and fled, never to return again, still gives me the hoots.

981 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:22:46pm

Later folks.

982 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:23:04pm

yea, new thread

983 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:23:10pm

re: #973 albusteve

You did that for me, didn't you!?

984 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:26:24pm

Charlie Jones of Texas Overnight probably has the most rational and best-informed audience in talk radio. This is probably because he is on opposite Coast to Coast AM, so all the cranks and kooks are normally listening to the other station. A few weeks ago, though, Charlie's subject was the DHS report on right-wing terrorism and it brought the kooks out of the woodwork. Charlie had to cut off no fewer than 4 callers for essentially advocating armed insurrection. Even more strikingly, Charlie has an expert screener so you can imagine what the ones who didn't make the air were like.

They actually sound a lot like the leftist arm-chair revolutionaries who routinely threaten violent revolt. There is one very important difference: the right wingnuts are armed to the teeth. We used to taunt violence-prone lefties with the right's monopoly on guns. Now, a fair percentage of those guns seem like the Pakistani nukes, in grave danger of ending up in very dangerous hands indeed.
I am not going to make any rash predictions about how this will play out, but this is an ominous situation and the very fact that it is so unpredictable is disquieting. Be prepared for the worst in any case.

985 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:26:49pm

re: #942 kansas

52 here in Kansas. This global warming is about to freeze my ass off.

We're supposed to get down to 55 here in Dallas tonight (probably low 50s here in Wylie).

986 Spare O'Lake  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:28:59pm

re: #947 Bloodnok

Great song! The "New Mother Nature" part sounds like it could fit in a Scooby Doo musical romp.

The Guess Who were one of the top Canadian bands of the late sixties and seventies. Unfortunately one of their biggest hits was a grossly insulting screed aimed squarely at the USA.

987 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:01pm

re: #963 Dan G.

Beastmaster? ;)

I loved that movie.

I found the book - The Proposition, by Judith Ivory. IIRC, the ratcatcher is actually a marquess and an heir to a dukedom, no less.

988 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:52pm

re: #980 Cato the Elder

When I lived in Germany I dated a girl who looked like Grace Kelly and knew it. She was also a single mom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses were on her like stink on a monkey. Every Saturday, at ten in the morning, two males in their skinny ties would show up to convert this scarlet woman from her wicked ways.

Until one day she answered the door starkers.

Her description of red about-to-explode faces above the clean white shirts as they stuttered, spluttered and fled, never to return again, still gives me the hoots.

My dad once met Mormon officials in his boxer shorts and beer in hand.
They had showed up on a Saturday morning to determine our tithe - since my mom was Mormon and that = 10% of last year's tax return). This was a seminal moment in my household.

989 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:39:15pm

re: #971 Jimmah

The Leotardo whacking referenced (this never gets old for me):



Crunch. Phil deserved it.

990 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #978 pink freud


He grew stuff, too. ;-)


Everybody grows stuff.

991 Achilles Tang  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:22:27pm

This is just a reminder that there is more cynical blatant idiocy on everyday TV.

Larry King is hosting the usual group of charlatans con artists on CNN tonight, giving them free advertising and polite respect regarding talking to the dead and the like.

Larry King (and his friends) makes me want to puke, which is why I never watch more than a few seconds per year.

992 pink freud  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:23:13pm

re: #990 Killgore Trout

Everybody grows stuff.

Not really, Kilgore. Some people have a passion for it, an understanding and a connection to nature beyond the norm. I am one myself, and so was he. It's the attention to the tiniest detail, always experimenting, trying new things, following the generational development of some plant or the other, hand-pollination, hybridizing, researching and learning. Failing and succeeding and immensely enjoying the process. For me it's the tropicals ..collecting spores from a gigantic staghorn fern, creating my own soil mixes, cross pollinating my cane begonias and collecting seed and waiting till next year to see what I get. I learned a lot from my Coos Bay person, and I find your experimentation fascinating also. I like reading your posts about it.

993 American Sabra  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:31:13pm

re: #980 Cato the Elder

When I lived in Germany I dated a girl who looked like Grace Kelly and knew it. She was also a single mom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses were on her like stink on a monkey. Every Saturday, at ten in the morning, two males in their skinny ties would show up to convert this scarlet woman from her wicked ways.

Until one day she answered the door starkers.

Her description of red about-to-explode faces above the clean white shirts as they stuttered, spluttered and fled, never to return again, still gives me the hoots.

lol I get them too, but I think they're Mormons. Do Mormons prosthelytize? There's a new LDS church up the street. Who are the guys who ride bikes, white shirts, dark pants with "Elder" name tags? There's a few different ones. We get maybe 5 or 6 a year, once every couple months.

And I have a mezzuzah on the door and a little hangy metal thing that says "Shalom" in English and Hebrew. I don't think they know what they are. I generally don't answer the door or tell them I'm not interested and they go away.

994 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:51:12pm

re: #804 JHW

Since you're in California I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Soka Gakkai. When I was at Ft. Ord there were a lot of Japanese girls hanging around Monterey trying to drum up new members.

I know someone who was roped into it, but I never crossed paths with the Soka Gakkai people personally.

Lotta Japanese girls hanging around luring in new members? Sounds like flirty fishing to me.

995 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:53:51pm

re: #805 Catttt

Gardnerian Wiccans? Wow. Most of the Wiccans I know are still in the broom closet. Maybe it's because you are in Cali and I'm in Baltimore!

No one's in the broom closet around here. Very out in the open. The "proselytizing" wasn't anything serious -- more like, "C'mon, it's fun!" I know so many pagans, but wasn't one myself, they wanted me to join the party.

996 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:56:59pm

re: #820 The Shadow Do

Actually I find that a bit astonishing. Must be the geography. At least twice a month I am visited by Baptist/born again believers. Usually I will greet them at the door, palm up, and inform them that we are all Jewish here. This brings a certain stunned silence as they have obviously never encountered a Jew. They will wordlessly back away all the while examining me for horns or a tail. Pretty funny really, since only my wife and daughter are Jewish.

You open the door to canvassers? I've never done that in my life. If I'm not expecting a visitor, I will never answer a knock on my door.

But yes, it's true -- never had a Christian come up and try to convert me. In fact, I haven't encountered very many born-agains in any context.

997 zombie  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:01:40pm

re: #837 The Shadow Do

Mormons really do have a well defined code of conduct regarding their missionaries. Pretty admirable all in all. They will knock and ask. From there it is up to you.

Actually, I was in a major Mormon temple. They basically locked us in and made us watch a movie about Joseph Smith. But it was only half an hour long, and when it was over, I was able to make an escape.

The same cannot be said of my hair-raising forays into Scientology HQs.

998 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:06:19pm

re: #997 zombie

Actually, I was in a major Mormon temple. They basically locked us in and made us watch a movie about Joseph Smith. But it was only half an hour long, and when it was over, I was able to make an escape.

The same cannot be said of my hair-raising forays into Scientology HQs.

Wow Zom - Oakland? I was unaware non- Mormons could enter the Temples other than opening day as was done at the Oakland Temple back in the late 50s?

999 Salamantis  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:10:04pm

I am an Eclectic Wiccan NeoPagan myself, and my ex-gf is a Sokka Gakki Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist. They chant nom myo ho ren ge kyo (daimoku) to a box with a scroll in it (gohonzen) and loves dem some Nichiren Daishonen. They're also really fond of the Lotus Sutra. The Diamond Sutra, the Heart Sutra, and the Platforn Sutra of Hui Neng, not so much.

We have both embraced our respective spiritual paths for 30+ years. But we also liked each other a lot, and lusted after each other's bodies big-time.

So we agreed from the get-go not to try to talk each other into changing faiths, while still familiarizing ourselves with each other's chosen paths.

We lived together for six mostly good years. And we both learned and grew from our relationship, while both remaining in our respective religions.

1000 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:16:05pm

re: #999 Salamantis

Similar experience with a German gal - follower of Bagwan Shree Rashneesh - lived in their commune with her in Aptos, CA back in the 80s. Good memories.

1001 Salamantis  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:20:14pm

re: #996 zombie

You open the door to canvassers? I've never done that in my life. If I'm not expecting a visitor, I will never answer a knock on my door.

But yes, it's true -- never had a Christian come up and try to convert me. In fact, I haven't encountered very many born-agains in any context.

It's different in Northwest Florida. My ex-wife and I lived in a small town that was heavily fundie (the big competition was between Southern Baptists and Assembly of God-ers).

The knocks on the door became so frequent and annoyingthat we finally put a sticker on our front door that read No Proselytizing. But even that didn't stop this one fella, who showed up one hot sunny summer day with his two small kids in tow, and told me that they weren't leaving until I invited them in to Witness.

Considering the holding of your own children hostage to baking in the hot summer sun unless a stranger invites you into his home so you can propagandize him to constitute child abuse, I called the police and had them removed from my property.

1002 Zimriel  Sun, May 17, 2009 12:23:23am

re: #771 Kosh's Shadow

Read my earlier note.
How do you add a digit to millions of already-recorded records on tape and disk?
Stop insulting people who know much more about the field than you do.
And no, I did NOT work on the y2k problem, but I do work in software.

Thanks, Kosh's Shadow.

I *am* a programmer, I have been professionally for 13 years, and I *did* have to work on the y2k problem. I wonder if all the people snortling about how easy a fix it was, have ever had to decompile code whose source was lost, rewrite applications into different languages which allowed for the four digits, locate 60-something programmers who still spoke COBOL, compile inventories of all the code lying around out there, run all those tests, etc etc etc.

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1003 Bob Dillon  Sun, May 17, 2009 12:37:21am

re: #1002 Zimriel

y2k was a bitch and a major concern to those who understood the potential problem.

Kudos to you - I worked on it as well.

1004 Green Helmet Guy  Sun, May 17, 2009 3:58:26am

But don't forget! Darwinism led to the holocaust, which never happened.
/ (according to these nut jobs)

It just baffles the mind, the mental gymnastics that these people do.

1005 mrkwong  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:54:49am

re: #997 zombie

Actually, I was in a major Mormon temple. They basically locked us in and made us watch a movie about Joseph Smith. But it was only half an hour long, and when it was over, I was able to make an escape.

The same cannot be said of my hair-raising forays into Scientology HQs.

The Mormon sales pitch sounds like they're selling timeshare condos. Do you get a free week in Banff or Palm Springs if you sign up? Oh wait, you get a year on missionary duty...

I know there's baptist churches around the Bay Area that are really disguises for real-estate investment clubs to operate tax-free.

As for Scientology...I once met a young woman, a little older than I was, who was really, really interested in getting me into that little scam. I was not quite old and experienced and cynical enough at the time to realize I could have used that to great advantage in matters of physical gratification.

1006 Animal  Sun, May 17, 2009 9:21:41am

re: #993 American Sabra

And I have a mezzuzah on the door and a little hangy metal thing that says "Shalom" in English and Hebrew. I don't think they know what they are. I generally don't answer the door or tell them I'm not interested and they go away.

I keep a big framed picture of Richard Dawkins on our front door. Scares the hell out of the fundies.

1007 Mr Secul  Sun, May 17, 2009 11:51:36am

re: #1004 Green Helmet Guy

But don't forget! Darwinism led to the holocaust, which never happened.

I grant you a million up dings!


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