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1 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:23:00pm

heaven is in your mind

2 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:23:58pm

dig the cool robes

3 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:24:34pm

hi Steve!, glad to see you made it bro...

4 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:25:19pm

the Cowboys will win every Super Bowl

5 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:25:37pm

Stevie, mon cher - is it just you in here?

6 Ron Bacardi  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:25:53pm

re: #4 albusteve

I approve of this statement.

7 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:26:12pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Stevie, mon cher - is it just you in here?

howdy!...you're in!

8 dapperdave  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:26:45pm

Kinda campy

9 cronus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:01pm

Extreme Makeover: Heaven Edition

10 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:07pm

the dwarf was a knockout....I'm gonna have nightmares

11 Vicious Babushka  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:08pm

I liked the little Munchkin lady.

12 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:17pm

looks a little monochrome to me.
place could use some color
lowes is having a paint sale

/just sayin

13 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:22pm

"Excite" isn't exactly the word I would use for this video. Creepy, maybe.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:24pm

Phil Donahue?

15 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:47pm

That is truly goofy stuff right there!

16 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:27:54pm

re: #1 albusteve

heaven is in your mind

17 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:28:12pm

Will there be leisure suits in heaven?

18 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:28:29pm

re: #15 pingjockey

That is truly goofy stuff right there!

finally I post I can relate to and you call it goofy....

19 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:28:31pm

re: #17 Bloodnok

It looked like togas only... sorry.

20 Canoe Train  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:28:38pm

re: #4 albusteve


No. Let the Packers be victorious.

21 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:26pm

re: #16 Bloodnok

yes...someone got it...I can count on you every time amigo

22 pingjockey  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:31pm

Later folks.
Unfortunetly, I feel this is how some of the "leaders " on the far right see things.

23 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:35pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

did you see the ugly-ass rug that guy was wearing?
looked like a gopher crawled on his head and died

24 Dan G.  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:47pm

re: #20 Canoe Train

Wouldn't the team have to die before it could be in heaven?

25 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:56pm

Toga Toga Toga

I thought that was Phil Donahue.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:29:59pm
27 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:30:15pm

re: #20 Canoe Train

No. Let the Packers be victorious.

Remember the Ice Bowl!

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:30:17pm

re: #25 jorline

MMTA

29 Canoe Train  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:30:59pm

re: #24 Dan G.

lol

30 Altermite  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:31:09pm
Does this excite you?

Well, it makes my leg tingly.
/

31 Canoe Train  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:31:17pm

re: #27 albusteve

Before my time.

32 dapperdave  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:31:37pm

re: #22 pingjockey

Leadership? far right? obviously you forgot your sarc tag/

33 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:01pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MMTA

lol...you beat me to it...uncanny resemblance.

34 formercorpsman  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:07pm

I thought I was finished with the flashbacks.

35 Canoe Train  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:26pm

re: #19 Dan G.

Indeed. I kept expecting to see Blutarski enter the scenes.

36 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:28pm

re: #4 albusteve

the Cowboys will win every Super Bowl

Maybe back in the Landry days. These days? Not so much.

37 formercorpsman  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:43pm

Carol Ann?

38 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:32:44pm

Now I'm confused... Jimmy Swaggart told me "Heaven" is a planet where Yahweh lives... now this guy Pirkle is talking about buildings...

I'm soooo confused...

39 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:33:40pm

I'm just hoping there is a revolving door (you know- reincarnation), because hanging out with all those folks for eternity might get a bit boring after a few eons. Or maybe even a few weeks.

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:33:51pm

Everybody's white in heaven. Who'da thunk it?

41 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:03pm

2:51 - blond kid. That's my reaction.

42 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:05pm

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

Maybe back in the Landry days. These days? Not so much.

just wait...the Cowboys are gonna storm the league this year...bet me

43 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:37pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Everybody's white in heaven. Who'da thunk it?


what, you didn't get the memo?

44 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:39pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Everybody's white in heaven. Who'da thunk it?

Pat Buchanan?

45 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:46pm

re: #17 Bloodnok

Will there be leisure suits in heaven?

No, that would have to be Hell.

46 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:46pm

re: #21 albusteve

yes...someone got it...I can count on you every time amigo

For you: YouTube has vids on the making of each track of Pet Sounds. I just found this and I am engrossed in it. Cool as hell.

47 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:48pm

"Seven million times larger than New York City."

Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, I'll keep dancing...

48 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:34:49pm

The "beautiful body" and singing midgets.

Rather kitchy.

49 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:35:34pm

This video is one of the stranger things I've seen.

And I'm no spring chicken. I've seen a lot of strange things.

50 formercorpsman  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:36:17pm

re: #17 Bloodnok

Mustard color.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:36:34pm

Forget the gigantic heavenly mansion, I'd settle for no property taxes or utility bills.

52 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:36:45pm

re: #46 Bloodnok

I got schooled on this last time around...I love studio stuff tho...thanks

53 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:37:17pm

Estus Washington Pirkle missed his calling. He should have been a porn star.

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:37:19pm

"Will there be Mogen David in Heaven?
Dear Lord, I really want to know!
Will there be Mogen David in Heaven? Sweet Jesus.
If there ain't; who the hell wants to go!"

-Larry Gatlin

55 MJ  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:37:20pm

Israel’s Fears, Amalek’s Arsenal

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

This is the first piece to appear in the NYT in a decade which permits someone to utter a sympathetic note for Israel.

56 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:37:46pm

re: #47 abolitionist

"Seven million times larger than New York City."

Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, I'll keep dancing...

this town ain't big enough for both of us...

57 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:37:57pm

I think I felt a tingle run up my leg.

58 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:38:04pm

Not having to pay for air conditioning repairs would be heavenly too.

59 NelsFree  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:38:16pm

Heaven is when you walk up to him, and he scratches your back, and scratches, and scratches...
/channelling my dog

60 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:38:17pm

This is bunkum.

Maitreya is here and will soon manifest himself. The star reveals it.

All the rest is jibber-jabber.

61 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Forget the gigantic heavenly mansion, I'd settle for no property taxes or utility bills.

and if the mansion is 7 million times larger than nyc, how big is the yard?
hope I don't get landscaping duty.

62 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:39:53pm

re: #52 albusteve

I got schooled on this last time around...I love studio stuff tho...thanks

I had to Google the minister, I thought it was a satire, and a over the top one at that, but alas, he was serious.

63 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:40:17pm

When I die and go to heaven, I don't want a mansion. I want to travel interstellar space and check out some nebulae. That would be the shiznit.

64 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:41:12pm

Unimaginable magnificent enormous mansions!

Seems kinda materialistic.

Daibutsu would not agree...........Jesus would laugh at this guy..........

65 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:41:17pm

re: #62 avanti

I had to Google the minister, I thought it was a satire, and a over the top one at that, but alas, he was serious.

Brian Wilson was the Minister...indeed

66 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:41:34pm

re: #61 rain of lead

and if the mansion is 7 million times larger than nyc, how big is the yard?
hope I don't get landscaping duty.

I think we can arrange for penitent lefties to do that, as well as taking out the trash, walking our immortal dogs, etc.
They'll be glad for the work, it would beat going to hell with the outright communists.

67 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:41:46pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

When I die and go to heaven, I don't want a mansion. I want to travel interstellar space and check out some nebulae. That would be the shiznit.

Do you think God would mind? "I really love the mansion, Lord, but can't I go live in the Orion Nebula?"

68 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:41:55pm
69 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:42:30pm

Then during the third reconciliation of the lots of the Meketric supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a giant Slorg. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what is was to be roasted in the depths of the Slorr that day, I can tell you.

70 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:42:33pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

When I die and go to heaven, I don't want a mansion. I want to travel interstellar space and check out some nebulae. That would be the shiznit.

I want a sit down with Keith Richards....he might not make it tho

71 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:42:35pm

Does this excite you?

If Christ returned from heaven, with a human body that every eye could see, like Jesus'; with a human voice that every ear could hear, like Jesus'; with a message spoken in human language, like Jesus; directly speaking AS God, like Jesus; with the Message for THIS Day...

Would THAT excite you?

If so, avoid May 23, 1844

72 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:42:36pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

bwahahahahah!

73 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:42:51pm

*THUD*
*THUD*
*THUD*
*THUD*
*THUD*
*THUD*

Pounding head on table.

Satan can't enter heaven?

Urkle didn't read his Bible.

Job 1:6
One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:43:04pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

I wonder if there is a middle finger nebula.

75 cronus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:43:04pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

When I die and go to heaven, I don't want a mansion. I want to travel interstellar space and check out some nebulae. That would be the shiznit.

Where Carl Sagan leads the lecture and Stevie Ray Vaughn provides the music

76 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:43:22pm

re: #73 jcm

PIMF inadvertent bolding.

77 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:43:38pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

Do you think God would mind? "I really love the mansion, Lord, but can't I go live in the Orion Nebula?"

Hey God, can I get a tour of the neighborhood?

78 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:43:45pm

re: #68 Iron Fist

I wish I could believe that the atheists were right. Everything fading to black and being over and done doesn't sound too bad to me.

There are times I feel like that too. Right about now is one of them.

79 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:44:02pm

what if God was one of us?
just a slob like one of us?

hahaha!...I love that line...Joan rocks live too...bigtime

80 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:44:10pm

All that is missing are the three silhouettes from MST3K.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:44:34pm

How does that old European nationality joke go?

Something along the line of: In heaven, the Germans are the administrators, the British are the police, and the Italians are the cooks.
In hell, the Italians are the administrators, the Germans are the police, and the British are the cooks.

82 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:44:39pm

re: #65 albusteve

Brian Wilson was the Minister...indeed

THIS is heaven. (Brian singing all 8 parts here). Skip to 0.26 and turn the speakers up. Spine tingling.

83 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:45:24pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

There are times I feel like that too. Right about now is one of them.

chin up...forge ahead...there are mysteries yet to unweave...c'mon

84 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:45:36pm

........and of course this is easy to laugh at with all the camp and the deformed woman and the schmaltzy "Welcome to Heaven" echo voice......but where are we going with all this put down of fundamentalist Christians?

I thank God for good honest religious spiritual people.

85 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:45:57pm

Check out my new digs!

86 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:46:05pm

re: #80 ilzito guacamolito

All that is missing are the three silhouettes from MST3K.

LMAO!

87 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:46:16pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

Do you think God would mind? "I really love the mansion, Lord, but can't I go live in the Orion Nebula?"

You could meet up with our hero, Nipper, who gave his all one fine morn for LGF.

88 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:46:53pm

re: #47 abolitionist

"Seven million times larger than New York City."

Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, I'll keep dancing...

There were a lot of measurements at the beginning there, huh? I wonder how Estus got the blueprints.

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:46:55pm
90 Vicious Babushka  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:47:50pm

Heaven and Hell are exactly the same.

They give you a bowl of soup and a spoon that is too long to eat from.

In Hell, nobody can feed themselves.

In Heaven, everybody feeds each other.

91 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:47:52pm

re: #82 Bloodnok

a one man choir...I saw them back in 1967...it took years for it to sink in

92 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:48:18pm

re: #83 albusteve

chin up...forge ahead...there are mysteries yet to unweave...c'mon

No- I'm having a temporary crisis of faith- I'm sure I'll get over it. But seeing people using reward and punishment of the soul like this- just hitting me the wrong way tonight. I don't have faith because I want to go to Heaven. I have faith because Heaven reached out to me.

93 Bloodnok  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:48:37pm

re: #91 albusteve

a one man choir...I saw them back in 1967...it took years for it to sink in

My jealousy knows no bounds.

94 formercorpsman  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:49:20pm

re: #91 albusteve

I'm actually jamming in that window now. After the video is done, scroll the bottom over the the vocal only version of God only knows.

95 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:49:51pm

I'm glad I didn't go to this fellow's church or one like it growing up. Geez. Latin Mass, incense, holy water, ceremony, no yelling or movies. Pinning a Kleenex on your head when you forgot your veil.

96 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:50:32pm

re: #88 Last Mohican

It's in Revelations and Daniel........cubits etc.........

97 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:50:34pm

No 72 virgins?

I think the portraits of Hell by the great artists though history did a better job of persuasion.

98 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:50:48pm

OT -

The nirthers are at it again. I got an email today claiming that 0bama received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia, at Occidental College. Give it up already!

99 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:51:08pm

Vilayanur Ramachandran

Some sanity.

100 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:51:20pm
Won't that be something, when you go to live in your own mansion? There'll be no concern about paying for it. It's already taken care of.

Wait a second. I knew this sounded familiar. Didn't this Pirkle guy go on to become the director of Fannie Mae in the 1990's?

101 Randall Gross  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:51:47pm

OT
Sheesh. It's deals like this that make me want to go back to school to get the student version:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

102 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:51:57pm

re: #69 Thanos

Then during the third reconciliation of the lots of the Meketric supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a giant Slorg. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what is was to be roasted in the depths of the Slorr that day, I can tell you.

If I could travel back in time, I would love to show HP Lovecraft that movie.

103 Sharmuta  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:52:44pm

Well- my crisis of faith will have to be put on hold. There is a beer at the bar with my name on it.

104 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:53:29pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

No- I'm having a temporary crisis of faith- I'm sure I'll get over it. But seeing people using reward and punishment of the soul like this- just hitting me the wrong way tonight. I don't have faith because I want to go to Heaven. I have faith because Heaven reached out to me.

stay on the trail...blasphemy is fashionable these days

105 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:53:36pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Well- my crisis of faith will have to be put on hold. There is a beer at the bar with my name on it.

beer is proof that god loves us.

106 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:53:36pm

re: #102 Dar ul Harbarian

If I could travel back in time, I would love to show HP Lovecraft that movie.

I think it would be better to bring him to our time, what with no Blockbuster in his time zone.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:53:37pm

re: #100 Last Mohican

Wasn't he played in a movie by Leslie Nielson?

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:54:33pm

re: #96 IslandLibertarian

It's in Revelations and Daniel........cubits etc.........

Riiiiiight. What's a cubit?...

109 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:54:51pm

Sometimes I find myself appreciating the ordinary and wondering if there's a heaven, maybe it's more ordinary and unremarkable than people think it is....but its beauty would be in it's simplicity.

110 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:54:53pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hey FBV
when does the kid get home from her prom?

111 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:55:06pm

re: #94 formercorpsman

I'm actually jamming in that window now. After the video is done, scroll the bottom over the the vocal only version of God only knows.

lotsa cool stuff in there

112 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:55:16pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Well- my crisis of faith will have to be put on hold. There is a beer at the bar with my name on it.

Priekā!

113 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:55:49pm

re: #105 rain of lead

beer is proof that god loves us.

man does not live by bread alone

114 NelsFree  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:56:25pm

It's Charles' blog; he may open threads as he sees fit. Charles, did you have a specific reason for this one at this time?

115 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:56:35pm

re: #68 Iron Fist

I wish I could believe that the atheists were right. Everything fading to black and being over and done doesn't sound too bad to me.

That's exactly how it went down when I had a heart attack last year. I really, really thought that was it. I faded away and thought I would never wake up. It wasn't bad at all, some regret at leaving so soon, but no fear or trauma. The detached observer in me came to the fore. So this is what it's like, I thought, I've always wondered.
I was amazed when I woke up a minute later; and profoundly happy: I felt like jumping off the table and dancing, hallelujah, another chance.

116 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:56:39pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

When I die and go to heaven, I don't want a mansion. I want to travel interstellar space and check out some nebulae. That would be the shiznit.

I want my own planet...lush and fertile. I want my hobbies to become mass industrial projects that clutter the virgin vistas.

117 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:56:42pm

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Riiiiiight. What's a cubit?...

The length of an average sized man's forearm.
Made for some interesting architecture.

/UFOs built the pyramids....had to be...

118 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:56:48pm

re: #110 rain of lead

hey FBV
when does the kid get home from her prom?

she's in jail for assault and battery...had a disagreement with her date

119 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:56:51pm

re: #113 albusteve

man does not live by bread alone

Guiness is bread. Coors Light is water.

120 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:57:09pm

re: #113 albusteve

man does not live by bread alone

on the seventh day God created......pizza!

121 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:57:39pm

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Riiiiiight. What's a cubit?...

Little divided area with desk at work. /

122 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:58:15pm

re: #118 albusteve

she's in jail for assault and battery...had a disagreement with her date

"oh snap!"

123 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:58:45pm

Methinks David lynched was influenced.

124 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:59:11pm

re: #120 rain of lead

on the seventh day God created......pizza!


I really want to eat you....

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 8:59:23pm

re: #110 rain of lead

After-prom and stuff. All nighter.

Nope. I ain't scared.
Nope. Ain't cleanin' my shotgun.

126 abolitionist  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:00:43pm

re: #118 albusteve

she's in jail for assault and battery...had a disagreement with her date

Ouch. Try to be a good listener.

127 itellu3times  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:00:55pm
128 NelsFree  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:00:56pm

Well, it's late, goin' to bed. C u all tomorrow.

129 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:01:16pm

re: #120 rain of lead

on the seventh day God created......pizza!

But when cast out of Heaven, Lucifer took it upon himself to create a pizza with pineapple.

130 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:01:25pm
131 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:02:01pm

re: #129 Fenway_Nation

But when cast out of Heaven, Lucifer took it upon himself to create a pizza with pineapple.

Lucifer was from NYC obviously

132 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:03:07pm

Goodnight everyone!
Pirkle-free dreams all-round...unless you are into sci-fi...

133 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:03:11pm

re: #131 albusteve


Well...that would explain the Steinbrenner family.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:03:39pm

re: #130 Iron Fist

I was a good boy at my prom. Didn't even try to "cop a feel".

You guessed it. I didn't go to my prom.

135 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:04:57pm

re: #116 Dar ul Harbarian

I want my own planet...lush and fertile. I want my hobbies to become mass industrial projects that clutter the virgin vistas.

I'd like just another go around. The whole concept of heaven bores me, no worries, perfect contentment, I need some contrast, say a regular life, with it's challenges, up's and down's and the rest. The good news, if you die, and there is nothing, you won't be disappointed, you'll just be dead.

136 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:05:13pm

re: #118 albusteve

You deserve this.

137 anubis_soundwave  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:05:28pm

To (mis)quote Cleavon Little (Blazing Saddles?)

"Where the (black people) at?" (not to mention the asians, arabs, hindu indians, American indian tribespeoples....)

Aside from that, I've seen the RETURN OF JESUS as a spaceship, being described by Saint John the Divine, a man who couldn't begin to think of a massive starship traveling through space (or the concept of "Space, the Final Frontier").

It could be a look at my own hopes, though. A way to solve a lot of the problems plaguing our beloved Earth would be to visit Mars and the Moon--mine it for resources and all.

Honestly, from a secular perspective, we only have 5 billion years left; as for the religious perspective I'm familiar with: "No man knoweth the day or the hour...." (Unless you were once a subject of the Mayan empire, then it's sometime in the year 2012. ;) j/k)

Live a great and honest life, live peaceably with all men, leave other men to their own devices, and die happy--doing what you love.

(If I have to indicate, here in Adult Land, that I use "men" in the "mankind/humanity/human race" sense, then we've lost the culture wars in a truly fundamental sense (as opposed to the right-wing "fundamentalists" making the news and LGF circuit trying to out Team Rocket the left-wing "fundamentalists" who want us to worship Gaia, the Spirit of Earth (a Greek myth and a cartoon chara concocted by Ted Turner).)

Like this guy. (beware: WIKIPEDIA)

I don't want to die of a debilitating disease in old age, but if that's how it ends up, I'd like to be writing, drawing or otherwise working on my latest animated TV series. In old age, preferably 100+ years or so. (My oldest great-grand aunt (my great-grandmother's sister) left her mortal coil at around ninety-five years.)

138 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:05:32pm

re: #119 ilzito guacamolito


Killian's Red (made by Coors) is superb, however.

139 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:06:17pm

OT question - Taking the beautiful and talented GF to see Star Trek.
Anyone know, will it be heavenly or hellish?

140 Drudge Potato Al  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:06:17pm

I'm happy and thrilled for anyone who believes in heaven. The comfort it can give people who believe in it as not only a goal to aim for as well as a place where they can see loved ones again is a nice thing.

Like I stated in a previous comment a few days ago, I don't believe in heaven because I know that it's highly likely (I won't say certain because I can't prove it) that once you're brain is no longer functioning, you're conciousness ceases to exist. Most folks fear death not only from our instinctive maintenance of self-preservation but also from what they think it likely is. A state where you're ability to think is largely preserved but your senses can detect nothing. Since we experience a death "dress rehearsal" every night when we sleep without dreaming, the concept of death for me is very easy to comprehend. Just as easy to comprehend as my conciousness before being conceived. Nonexistent.

141 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:06:29pm

re: #130 Iron Fist

Man, I won't tell you about my prom experiences. Nope. Wouldn't be prudent...

:-)

I took out the Valedictorian. We were both too nerdy to take advantage of each other.

142 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:06:43pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"that boy's about as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs"

/foghorn leghorn off

143 american sabra  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:06:44pm

At my grandad's 90 birthday party (he passed at 97 in 2000), he ended up talking to me about death and heaven which was a little uncomfortable for me because he never talked about it with anyone. He said in his definition of heaven, he would be was sitting a long table, with all the great thinkers, philosophers and sages of all time and discussing politics, religion, ideas, all the things he and my dad, my uncles, my cousins did at every family gathering. I thought it was pretty cool.

He also said that hell was here with my grandmother. And we laughed!

144 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:06:47pm

Twain sez.....

The inventor of their heaven empties into it all the nations of the earth, in one common jumble. All are on an equality absolute, no one of them ranking another; they have to be "brothers"; they have to mix together, pray together, harp together, hosannah together--whites, n*****s, Jews, everybody--there's no distinction. Here in the earth all nations hate each other, and every one of them hates the Jew. Yet every pious person adores that heaven and wants to get into it. He really does. And when he is in a holy rapture he thinks he thinks that if he were only there he would take all the populace to his heart, and hug, and hug, and hug!

Letters from the Earth

145 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:07:13pm

re: #139 IslandLibertarian

OT question - Taking the beautiful and talented GF to see Star Trek.
Anyone know, will it be heavenly or hellish?

Heavenly.

146 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:08:01pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Twain does not pass the LGF filter.

147 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:08:22pm

re: #139 IslandLibertarian

oh you will like it.
that movie rocks! !

148 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:08:29pm

re: #139 IslandLibertarian

OT question - Taking the beautiful and talented GF to see Star Trek.
Anyone know, will it be heavenly or hellish?

It's a fun ride, lots of little bits for fans of the original series.

149 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:09:04pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I thought you expurgated that yourself.

150 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:09:21pm

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

Sometimes I find myself appreciating the ordinary and wondering if there's a heaven, maybe it's more ordinary and unremarkable than people think it is....but its beauty would be in it's simplicity.

And in never losing your loved ones again.

151 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:09:37pm

re: #136 Catttt

ha!...thanks...Segar is such a dork

152 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:09:47pm

re: #140 Drudge Potato Al

I'm happy and thrilled for anyone who believes in heaven. The comfort it can give people who believe in it as not only a goal to aim for as well as a place where they can see loved ones again is a nice thing.

Like I stated in a previous comment a few days ago, I don't believe in heaven because I know that it's highly likely (I won't say certain because I can't prove it) that once you're brain is no longer functioning, you're conciousness ceases to exist. Most folks fear death not only from our instinctive maintenance of self-preservation but also from what they think it likely is. A state where you're ability to think is largely preserved but your senses can detect nothing. Since we experience a death "dress rehearsal" every night when we sleep without dreaming, the concept of death for me is very easy to comprehend. Just as easy to comprehend as my conciousness before being conceived. Nonexistent.

You are probably right. But, that would make a boring stained-glass window.

153 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:10:05pm

re: #139 IslandLibertarian

OT question - Taking the beautiful and talented GF to see Star Trek.
Anyone know, will it be heavenly or hellish?

I don't know how to answer that, but, it's really, really good.

154 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:10:57pm

re: #96 IslandLibertarian

It's in Revelations and Daniel........cubits etc.........

Ah, I see. Revelations, Chapter 21, verses 16 and 17:

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

If you figure a furlong is an eighth of a mile, and a cubit is maybe 444.5 mm, then what you have is a heaven that's 1500 miles square, for a total area of 2.25 million square miles. That's bigger than India, but smaller than Australia. And the walls are about 210 feet high.

155 american sabra  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:11:12pm

When I was a little girl, I thought that heaven was like the top of my parents' closet. It was so neat and tidy up there. Mom would put my dad's dress shirts there. In those days, they'd come back from the cleaners in boxes and she stack the boxes neatly on the top shelf. And that's what I thought heaven was. You got stacked neatly, all crisp and pressed in a box on a shelf with your name on the front. If God needed you for anything, he'd just find your box.

And for some ill-conceived reason, this was comforting to me! lol

156 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:11:40pm

re: #139 IslandLibertarian

OT question - Taking the beautiful and talented GF to see Star Trek.
Anyone know, will it be heavenly or hellish?

Oh, and speaking of which, Obama watched in the theater in "[his] house".

[Link: hotair.com...]

He had to, you see, because everyone keeps telling him he is Spock.

157 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:12:35pm

re: #137 anubis_soundwave

"No man knoweth the day or the hour...." BEFORE it happens, then afterward we can point to the exact time, like say... 2 hours and 11 minutes after sunset, May 22, 1844...

The Bible IS the inspired Word of G-d, even if it opens our eyes to the truth... :D

158 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:13:14pm

re: #140 Drudge Potato Al

Since we experience a death "dress rehearsal" every night when we sleep without dreaming, the concept of death for me is very easy to comprehend. Just as easy to comprehend as my conciousness before being conceived. Nonexistent.

That's funny, the sleep without dreaming concept. It's the exact one I think of, you go to sleep, just never wake up. As a matter of fact, that's the way I'd like to go, just pass in my sleep, no drama.

159 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:13:25pm

heaven for me is a bowl and a drink and the Stones right over there at a cozy club in Toronto....got nothing to do with anything else

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:13:47pm

This night is very special to my wife. While my wife is gawjus now, in high school was actually, well, not pretty... and was a terrified, wall-flower type. She didn't really begin to blossom until after high school.

Daughter is everything she was not (at that age), and more; Mom feels, well, successful tonight. I'm proud of them.

Mom is living a little bit vicariously through the girl, but, her youth was so miserable, I am letting her enjoy the moment.

161 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:14:27pm

re: #156 capitalist piglet

Heh. Seeing Obama and hearing him speak is beginning to engender the same reaction John Kerry evokes with me.

Gonna be a painful 4 years.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:14:52pm

re: #138 irongrampa

Killian's Red (made by Coors) is superb, however.

Blue Moon is a Coors product also.

163 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:15pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV, you are a good man.

164 BreezeCJ  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:25pm

In an odd sort of way, this reminds me of the dream sequence from Annie Hall (I think), where the two groups of men in robes are carrying crucifixes and get into a fight over a parking spot.
Anyone remember this?

165 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:31pm

re: #161 irongrampa

Heh. Seeing Obama and hearing him speak is beginning to engender the same reaction John Kerry evokes with me.

Gonna be a painful 4 years.

As I like to say:
"The night is young"

166 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:37pm

Interesting vid, Charles.

"Over 5,000 times higher that New York City".

Yes, I do believe he is just that high.

167 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:45pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Never had it. Is it distributed nationally?

168 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:15:46pm

re: #161 irongrampa

Heh. Seeing Obama and hearing him speak is beginning to engender the same reaction John Kerry evokes with me.

Gonna be a painful 4 years.

A question we were pondering at HotAir:

Has any president ever referred to the White House as "my house" before?

169 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:16:10pm

re: #158 avanti

That's funny, the sleep without dreaming concept. It's the exact one I think of, you go to sleep, just never wake up. As a matter of fact, that's the way I'd like to go, just pass in my sleep, no drama.

Ditto on that. Sleeping with no dreams or a non synaptic state. Biology dictates the function of consciousness and once that function has ended all consciousness ceases. Another way I look at it is similar to the time before we are born.

170 pat  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:16:18pm

The girl at 45 seconds is hot.

171 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:16:47pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

how much did your wife cry when ya'll found out your little girl was "prom queen"?

172 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:16:51pm

Continuing to look at the reaction in the right-wing blogospher over the Huntsman nomination.

Comments from the True Conservatives over at the AceOfSpades thread on Huntsman:

8 Don't let the door slap you on the ass on the way out.
Posted by: gdonovan at May 16, 2009 11:57 AM (0PNbn)

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10 So, the douches that tried to mount us with McCain are now trying to find another "republican" for the next run who's known to be least likely to interfere with the "destroy America first" program with this Huntsman douche?
Posted by: Grimmy at May 16, 2009 12:03 PM (EpKJe)

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23 Sending RINO's 10,000 miles out of the country works for me. Especially if Congress can keep remembering to lose their absentee ballots.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 16, 2009 12:39 PM (CqxjU)

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85 Fuck Huntsman and any moderate republican. I have been down a lot of pig trails and at the end there is always a pig.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 16, 2009 01:55 PM (dKn6/)

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And so forth. There are other, longer and more reasonable posts over on Ace than there are, for example, on HotAir or Malkin's site.

Nevertheless, the derision that some of these people have for what most people consider to be an honorable man (especially when compared to many other politicians - it is a sliding scale...), who will serve his fellow Americans representing the nation in the court of a foreign land, one of the more important ones in fact, is striking.

The anti-social nature of the internet is being manifest clearly among the right-wing blog meltdowns these days.

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:17:19pm

re: #158 avanti

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

174 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:17:22pm

re: #153 capitalist piglet

I don't know how to answer that, but, it's really, really good.

Heaven = Good
Hell = Bad

someone needs to go back to Sunday School....

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:17:39pm

re: #167 irongrampa

I think so.

176 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth

Interesting vid, Charles.

"Over 5,000 times higher that New York City".

Yes, I do believe he is just that high.

He screwed up the part about being higher than New York City. 210 feet isn't 5000 times higher than New York City. He's unduly raising everyone's hopes about heaven.

177 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:18:24pm

re: #53 Gus 802

Would his name then be Pickle?

178 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:18:33pm

I think Carl Anderson sums up my reaction to the "How does an expert view Heaven?" video quite nicely:

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:18:40pm

re: #171 rain of lead

Received the news in a text message. Ran screaming down the steps to tell me. No tears (that I saw).

180 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:18:51pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Ditto on that. Sleeping with no dreams or a non synaptic state. Biology dictates the function of consciousness and once that function has ended all consciousness ceases. Another way I look at it is similar to the time before we are born.

Maybe our consciousness becomes unhinged and just bounces back and forth through our life like Slaughterhouse Five.

181 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:11pm

re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth

Interesting vid, Charles.

"Over 5,000 times higher that New York City".

Yes, I do believe he is just that high.

Same here.
And even bigger, knowing He was only 5 foot 2 inches, physically.. imagine how it must have hurt to be unjustly freighted down with a 90-pound iron collar?

"5,000 times bigger than New York City", indeed.

182 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:16pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Ditto on that. Sleeping with no dreams or a non synaptic state. Biology dictates the function of consciousness and once that function has ended all consciousness ceases. Another way I look at it is similar to the time before we are born.

there may be drama...there was no time before you were born

183 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:27pm

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Too funny. If I were a soda drinker, you would owe me a keyboard. As an old aviator (and therefore not a bold one), I probably should have heard this before but I haven't. I'll definitely be stealing it.

184 anubis_soundwave  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:34pm

re: #157 Karridine

"No man knoweth the day or the hour...." BEFORE it happens, then afterward we can point to the exact time, like say... 2 hours and 11 minutes after sunset, May 22, 1844...

The Bible IS the inspired Word of G-d, even if it opens our eyes to the truth... :D

The "Bab", I presume.

No; I'll hold out for a better offer. The date's too specific. Thank you, though. :)

185 Steffan  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:47pm

OT: Obama lied, the economy died, MSM not-so-strangely silent.

Obama told yet another blatant lie, this time about Chrysler plants not closing. 24 hours later, Chrysler announced that yes, the plants he mentioned will be closing after all.

It's only being covered in the cities where the about-to-be-closed plants are located. Nothing at all in the national MSM.

So how much longer is he going to get a freakin' pass for this?

186 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:47pm

re: #177 Irenicum

Would his name then be Pickle?

Could be. Although I was thinking maybe something like Estrus Lopez. //

187 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:19:57pm

re: #174 IslandLibertarian

Heaven = Good
Hell = Bad

someone needs to go back to Sunday School....

Probably, but I wouldn't call the Star Trek movie "heaven" or "hell". It's neither. It's a frigging movie. ; )

188 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:20:11pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hahaha, awsome :)

189 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:20:17pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Only thing better than seeing your daughter on Prom Nite is repeating the procedure with #2.

What a mixture of emotion that was--pride, regret, awe, excitement, but mostly pride.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:20:36pm

re: #167 irongrampa

Never had it. Is it distributed nationally?

Everywhere I have had "Blue Moon" it is served on tap, with an orange slice. Very nice taste. But, I will admit, I am a beer wimp.

191 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:20:37pm

re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth

Interesting vid, Charles.

"Over 5,000 times higher that New York City".

Yes, I do believe he is just that high.

I think was using the Bible pages to roll that shit.

192 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:20:39pm

re: #185 Steffan

At least three years and a couple of months.

193 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:21:12pm

re: #185 Steffan

OT: Obama lied, the economy died, MSM not-so-strangely silent.

Obama told yet another blatant lie, this time about Chrysler plants not closing. 24 hours later, Chrysler announced that yes, the plants he mentioned will be closing after all.

It's only being covered in the cities where the about-to-be-closed plants are located. Nothing at all in the national MSM.

So how much longer is he going to get a freakin' pass for this?

the MSM is BOs Swiss Army knife

194 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:22:09pm

Heaven for me would be the joy of my wedding day and remembering time with my children.

Hell...would be reliving all the mistakes I've made in life.

195 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:22:35pm

re: #168 capitalist piglet

Not to my knowledge, I think there was too much respect for the White House prior.

196 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:23:46pm

re: #184 anubis_soundwave

So when Jesus chose words to explain His 'return', and His 3 promises can be seen to point directly to the year 1844, you imply that He was ignorant of the meaning of His words? Or He didn't KNOW they would lead to the ONLY person Who came that year claiming divinity?

Or maybe you just suggest that Jesus is RIGHT, but we misunderstand His guidance, even when it is fulfilled?

Ah, well, IIPeter2:1 is pertinent, and ustimately we're both correct: for you, Christ has NOT returned. He HAS returned for me.

197 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:24:03pm

...okay, so if you assume hundred billion people have lived and then died during human history... what percentage went to heaven? Let's say maybe a third. That would make the current population density of heaven about 14,814 people per square mile, which is nearly seven times that of New York City.

How are they going to have room for everyone's mansion?

198 albusteve  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:24:05pm

re: #189 irongrampa

Only thing better than seeing your daughter on Prom Nite is repeating the procedure with #2.

What a mixture of emotion that was--pride, regret, awe, excitement, but mostly pride.

how quaint...prom night in my house was for nerds and geeks....graduation from college was a very cool thing tho

199 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:24:28pm

Heaven - good. Soul united with God - joy.
Purgatory - not quite there yet - working on it.
Hell - bad. Soul totally not united with God - no joy.

200 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:24:50pm

I have royally pissed off the Apple Gods.

201 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:25:01pm

re: #62 avanti

Sadly, that kinda stuff is definitely NOT satire. Just watch (or better yet, don't!) typical Christian TV. I just got my digital TV converter box and all I have right now is the crazy Christian station, TCT. And I'm a Christian! Oh God, please let PBS's signal come through so I can see REAL science!

202 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:25:06pm

re: #195 irongrampa

Not to my knowledge, I think there was too much respect for the White House prior.

I just find these things almost too much to stomach. Does he not understand it is OUR house, and he's just living in it at the moment?

Then there's the misogynistic stuff that comes out of these guys. It's unreal. "You can put lipstick on a pig...". Carrie Prejean is a "dog". The last time I heard women described like that, I was watching Borat.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:25:17pm

Need to sleep. G'night folks.

204 Dar ul Harbarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:25:24pm

re: #197 Last Mohican

...okay, so if you assume hundred billion people have lived and then died during human history... what percentage went to heaven? Let's say maybe a third. That would make the current population density of heaven about 14,814 people per square mile, which is nearly seven times that of New York City.

How are they going to have room for everyone's mansion?

That is why the heavens are filled with stars...

for all the planets with all the mansions

205 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #194 jorline
Hey my friend, how are you doing?!
"Hell...would be reliving all the mistakes I've made in life."
AHA! So there is some benefit to all these senior moments I've been having! LOL!

206 rain of lead  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:26:20pm

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Need to sleep. G'night folks.

me too. nite all.

207 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:26:41pm

re: #199 Catttt

Heaven - good. Soul united with God - joy.
Purgatory - not quite there yet - working on it.
Hell - bad. Soul totally not united with God - no joy.

Works for me, Cattt...

"And among them is he who rubbeth his eyes, looking left and right, and saying, "Where is Heaven? and where is Hell?

Say: the one is reunion with Me, the other thine own self, O thou who set thyself partners with God, and doubtest."

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:26:42pm

re: #191 jcm

A real "Holy Roller", eh?

209 Bill K.  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:26:57pm

This Christian fantasy of heaven is just as insipid as the Islamic martyrs version of heaven with its 72 virgins.

There ain't no heaven and there ain't no god. This is the only existence we will ever know. We had better make the best of it.

210 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:27:34pm

re: #202 capitalist piglet

I said this before, if the present occupant would have brought a fraction of the integrity and decency Bush did, the nation would be well served.

Not looking too good on that score.

211 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:28:29pm

re: #200 Racer X

I have royally pissed off the Apple Gods.

Wassup?

212 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:28:35pm

re: #197 Last Mohican

...okay, so if you assume hundred billion people have lived and then died during human history... what percentage went to heaven? Let's say maybe a third. That would make the current population density of heaven about 14,814 people per square mile, which is nearly seven times that of New York City.

How are they going to have room for everyone's mansion?

Revelation 7:2-4 and Revelation 14:1-5 make it quite clear that there will only be 144,000 people who will make it to Heaven.

213 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:28:36pm

re: #197 Last Mohican

...okay, so if you assume hundred billion people have lived and then died during human history... what percentage went to heaven? Let's say maybe a third. That would make the current population density of heaven about 14,814 people per square mile, which is nearly seven times that of New York City.

How are they going to have room for everyone's mansion?

No problem, if you have no wants or needs in heaven, and everyone is equal, you don't need a body, no need to work, eat or the rest. Plenty of room for happy entities without physical bodies. I stand corrected if the Bible says your body makes the trip.

214 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:28:39pm

re: #196 Karridine

So when Jesus chose words to explain His 'return', and His 3 promises can be seen to point directly to the year 1844, [...]

You lost me...

/and probably most of the rest of the board too.

215 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:29:26pm

re: #199 Catttt

Heaven - good. Soul united with God - joy.
Purgatory - not quite there yet - working on it.
Hell - bad. Soul totally not united with God - no joy.

and Keanu is....?....?....

216 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:29:42pm

re: #209 Bill K.

Ah, Bill, Bill... Knowledge and Love have no material components, and CANNOT cease to exist, even as physical matter does not cease to exist... but this IS the only life we'll ever know, before AND after our separation from our body...

And why ARGUE about it?

Not me, Jack Bill... :D

217 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:29:49pm

re: #198 albusteve


If we accomplished anything in our 41 years of marriage, it was raising 2 of the best kids in this or any hemisphere. I couldn't possibly be more proud of them.

218 jorline  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:29:49pm

re: #205 realwest

Hey my friend, how are you doing?!
"Hell...would be reliving all the mistakes I've made in life."
AHA! So there is some benefit to all these senior moments I've been having! LOL!

lmao...how are ya RW. Ambian is kicking in now...lala land soon.

Hope all is well with you.

219 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:30:15pm

re: #215 IslandLibertarian

and Keanu is....?....?....

Down the rabbit hole.

220 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:30:27pm

re: #212 gmsc

Revelation 7:2-4 and Revelation 14:1-5 make it quite clear that there will only be 144,000 people who will make it to Heaven.

I've been wondering about that. Chapter 14 seems to say that the 144,000 who are going have already gone.

221 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:31:20pm

re: #209 Bill K.

This Christian fantasy of heaven is just as insipid as the Islamic martyrs version of heaven with its 72 virgins.

There ain't no heaven and there ain't no god. This is the only existence we will ever know. We had better make the best of it.

wow...bummer........and I was gunna sleep on clouds and stuff.........

222 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:32:44pm

re: #218 jorline Ambien kicking in, hey - sure hope you're near your bed! I'm doing ok I reckon; will know more after seeing my oncologist on Wednesday!

223 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:32:50pm

re: #221 IslandLibertarian

wow...bummer........and I was gunna sleep on clouds and stuff.........

Yeah, seriously. Well, I guess I may as well help myself to another glass of scotch before I go to sleep then.

224 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:32:54pm

re: #214 freetoken

Matthew 24:14, Luke 21:24 and Matt 24:15

He describes the conditions or preconditions for the coming of One, Like unto the Son of Man...

Those preconditions, the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, the spread of the Holy Gospel to every nation, and the 2,300-year Abomination of Desolation, all came to conclusion in the Year of the Great Expectation, 1844...

Afterwards called "The Year of the Great Disappointment" by clergy...

225 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:33:00pm

re: #82 Bloodnok

WOW!

226 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:33:22pm

re: #223 Last Mohican

have one, no make that two for me..........

227 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:33:37pm

re: #211 jcm

Wassup?

iMac G5 - screen is pixilating like crazy. Frequent 'you must restart your computer' messages. I've reset the PRAM, and the SMU. Just ran the disk utility. Wish me luck.

228 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:34:02pm

re: #182 albusteve

there may be drama...there was no time before you were born

I was not an organism before conception. By that biological process I became human with a biology that gave me consciousness. Luckily I was born healthy which gave me a rather decent mental capacity or state. My existence requires that healthy state which is dependent in all aspects of the human body: neurology, cardiology, etc. Once the organism dies the consciousness ends since it is dependent on a "living state."

Now, I don't argue against people that believe otherwise. That's how I see things in my own world. Some will agree with me while others won't and that's acceptable. In no case do I ever promote my own personal beliefs on this matter since I will readily admit that it is a cold, or as they say, materialist view and one that I've held since I was about 8 years old.

229 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:34:12pm

re: #214 freetoken

You lost me...

/and probably most of the rest of the board too.

Here - this explains the reference. Specifically, here.

230 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:35:16pm

re: #201 Irenicum

Sadly, that kinda stuff is definitely NOT satire. Just watch (or better yet, don't!) typical Christian TV. I just got my digital TV converter box and all I have right now is the crazy Christian station, TCT. And I'm a Christian! Oh God, please let PBS's signal come through so I can see REAL science!

My son watched one with me when he was 8 or 9, and that helped make him a agnostic. The story was about 3 people at the purely gates. One was a man that murdered and raped a 15 year old girl, one was the 15 year old girl, the other was a atheist that had spent his life saving millions of lives in the 3rd world.
The rapist murderer goes to heaven because he accepted Christ on the evening of his execution. The teen aged rape victim, and the atheist when straight to hell for not accepting Christ. That my kid could not accept from a merciful God.

231 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:35:47pm

re: #227 Racer X

iMac G5 - screen is pixilating like crazy. Frequent 'you must restart your computer' messages. I've reset the PRAM, and the SMU. Just ran the disk utility. Wish me luck.

I hate the phrase "reset the PRAM." I had a Mac clone that I had to do ALL the work on myself, since Apple pulled the plug on them right after I bought the thing.

232 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:35:48pm

re: #227 Racer X

iMac G5 - screen is pixilating like crazy. Frequent 'you must restart your computer' messages. I've reset the PRAM, and the SMU. Just ran the disk utility. Wish me luck.

Do you have a hardware test disk?
Sounds like the video card might be throwing a fit.

233 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:36:20pm

re: #227 Racer X

iMac G5 - screen is pixilating like crazy. Frequent 'you must restart your computer' messages. I've reset the PRAM, and the SMU. Just ran the disk utility. Wish me luck.

Now might be a good time to back up all your files.

234 gunslingah  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:36:57pm

I like it. It's like something out of a David Lynch movie. So bizarre you can't tear your eyes away. Cool.

235 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:37:33pm

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No wonder that sounded so familiar! Long live Ghost Busters!

236 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:37:43pm

re: #225 Irenicum
WOW is an understatement! Wonder how Bloodnok
knows that was done by Brian alone?!

237 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:37:50pm

re: #232 jcm

Do you have a hardware test disk?
Sounds like the video card might be throwing a fit.

Yes - I ran Tech Tool Deluxe. Everything cam back otay.

238 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:38:14pm
239 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:38:54pm

I appreciate the link, Cattt... I am under a voluntary and conditional restraint, here, as per our host.

I strive to honor that restraint, avoid proselytizing and yet deal with realities and historical fact, like May 23, 1844 and its coincidental fulfillment of Scriptural prophecy.

240 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:38:59pm

re: #229 Catttt

Oh, I got him referring to the "Báb", I was just wondering exactly what three verses in the Bible he was referencing (which he has now posted upstream.)

241 Bill K.  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:39:33pm

#216 Karridine

Huh?

#221 Island Libertarian

Wouldn't a Sleep Number Bed work just as well?

242 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:39:37pm

Things get a little unusual around here at night, huh?

243 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:39:51pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

"I don't have faith because I want to go to Heaven. I have faith because Heaven reached out to me."

Exactly.

244 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:39:55pm

re: #233 Last Mohican

Now might be a good time to back up all your files.

Yep!

I have an external HD that now has everything on it.

Funny thing is a few days ago my wife's MacBook HD died. Dead. Under warranty so she got a new one for free - but lost everything. We bought a case for the old drive - it is in the freezer right now. We're gonna try and extract stuff off of it if it will wake up.

245 Karridine  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:41:29pm

re: #243 Irenicum

"I don't have faith because I want to go to Heaven. I have faith because Heaven reached out to me."

Exactly.

Precisely.
And with that, I'm approaching 12 Noon here in suburban Bangkok, jasmine-scented after copious rains, and I must away to the workspace....

All best regards, People

246 dapperdave  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:41:38pm

re: #212 gmsc

Hi Gmsc, sorry for the late reply but I think Rev 7:9 states that a great multitude that no one could number of all tribes, nations and tongues are standing before the throne and the Lamb.

247 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:42:18pm

re: #237 Racer X

Yes - I ran Tech Tool Deluxe. Everything cam back otay.

The symptoms say hardware.
Can you run the crontabs manually? If you don't leave you Mac up and running overnight occasionally the crontabs never run.

248 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:42:29pm

re: #239 Karridine

I appreciate the link, Cattt... I am under a voluntary and conditional restraint, here, as per our host.

I strive to honor that restraint, avoid proselytizing and yet deal with realities and historical fact, like May 23, 1844 and its coincidental fulfillment of Scriptural prophecy.

I know, hon. I purposely linked to Wiki without a lot of detail, since someone asked what that meant. The curious can click to the Wiki.

Be good. :D

249 dapperdave  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:42:29pm

I think a lot of people discribe this as heaven.

250 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:42:34pm

re: #242 Last Mohican

Things get a little unusual around here at night, huh?


Hi Last Mohican! Now why would you say that?!?
/

251 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:42:54pm

re: #230 avanti

My son watched one with me when he was 8 or 9, and that helped make him a agnostic. The story was about 3 people at the purely gates. One was a man that murdered and raped a 15 year old girl, one was the 15 year old girl, the other was a atheist that had spent his life saving millions of lives in the 3rd world.
The rapist murderer goes to heaven because he accepted Christ on the evening of his execution. The teen aged rape victim, and the atheist when straight to hell for not accepting Christ. That my kid could not accept from a merciful God.

While I am very hesitant to get into such topics here on LGF, this is sort of a challenge, and this is my reply (intended with much kindness, and believe me, I have no interest in "bible thumping" you, avanti):

It's unfortunate no one was able to help him understand the basics of Christianity - primarily, we are all sinners and in need of a Savior. If we accept that Savior, He pays the penalty for our sin - no matter how vile, or how unforgivable our sin. God sacrificed His Son so that this would be possible for all of us.

There is nothing more merciful than that.

252 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:43:31pm

re: #249 dapperdave

I think a lot of people discribe this as heaven.

LGF is heaven? Killgore - you made it! :D /

253 capitalist piglet  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:43:52pm

re: #230 avanti

My son watched one with me when he was 8 or 9, and that helped make him a agnostic. The story was about 3 people at the purely gates. One was a man that murdered and raped a 15 year old girl, one was the 15 year old girl, the other was a atheist that had spent his life saving millions of lives in the 3rd world.
The rapist murderer goes to heaven because he accepted Christ on the evening of his execution. The teen aged rape victim, and the atheist when straight to hell for not accepting Christ. That my kid could not accept from a merciful God.

P.S. And avanti, I agree. Christian television blows massive chunks.

254 dapperdave  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:44:29pm

re: #252 Catttt

we all did!

255 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:44:34pm

re: #244 Racer X

Yep!

I have an external HD that now has everything on it.

Funny thing is a few days ago my wife's MacBook HD died. Dead. Under warranty so she got a new one for free - but lost everything. We bought a case for the old drive - it is in the freezer right now. We're gonna try and extract stuff off of it if it will wake up.

No Time Machine? I am paranoid about backups, copying files between 3 functioning machines and 3 external drives every day. Maybe because I've been using computers for almost 40 years, and I don't trust them.

FWIW, they replaced the system board on my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and that meant I had to blow away the previous Time Machine volume and start over. Time Machine uses the ethernet MAC address. No big deal, unless I needed to restore from it. They said I would be able to restore, but fortunately I didn't need to. I hope they're right; I'd hate to lose a machine and NOT be able to restore the backup!

256 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:44:59pm

re: #252 Catttt

LGF is heaven? Killgore - you made it! :D /

ROTFLMAO! Hey Cattt I was pretty sure Killgore didn't want to go to heaven!

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:45:01pm

re: #242 Last Mohican

Things get a little unusual around here at night, huh?

You only said that because I showed up, huh?

258 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:45:18pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Add my Guinness to it!

259 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:45:31pm

re: #215 IslandLibertarian

and Keanu is....?....?....

Very pretty.

260 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:46:10pm

re: #247 jcm

The symptoms say hardware.
Can you run the crontabs manually? If you don't leave you Mac up and running overnight occasionally the crontabs never run.

Yeah I let it run all night occasionally. Sometimes the fan sounds like a turbo prop though.

261 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:47:21pm

re: #255 Kosh's Shadow

I agree - I'm ready to back-up my back-up now.

LOL!

262 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:47:29pm

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How long can you tread water? Hahahahahahaha!

263 Last Mohican  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:47:59pm

re: #250 realwest

Hi Last Mohican! Now why would you say that?!?
/

Hi Realwest! We often seem to intersect for a little while between the time when you check in, and the time when I go to sleep here on the East Coast. I hope you're well.

I just mean there's an interesting combination of serious theological discussion, complaining about Obama, diagnosing computer problems, and having a drink or an Ambien before going to sleep. Not to mention that Estus Pirkle video starting things off on a rather weird note.

264 Bill K.  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:48:40pm

#238 Iron Fist

Then it doesn't really matter mch, does it? In a relatively short time we are all going to die. A human life is an eyeblink in the lifetime of the Universe. Here and gone, and nothing that you did or said will ever really matter.

Yes, it does matter what we do with our lives. The fact that we are not immortal does not relieve us of the necessity of defining a purpose and goal for our lives. Otherwise we might as well crawl under a bush and wait to die.

265 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:48:48pm
266 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:49:07pm

re: #172 freetoken

Continuing to look at the reaction in the right-wing blogospher over the Huntsman nomination.

Comments from the True Conservatives over at the AceOfSpades thread on Huntsman:

-

And so forth. There are other, longer and more reasonable posts over on Ace than there are, for example, on HotAir or Malkin's site.

Nevertheless, the derision that some of these people have for what most people consider to be an honorable man (especially when compared to many other politicians - it is a sliding scale...), who will serve his fellow Americans representing the nation in the court of a foreign land, one of the more important ones in fact, is striking.

The anti-social nature of the internet is being manifest clearly among the right-wing blog meltdowns these days.

It's very bad. And none of the people who run those blogs seem to have any interest in moderating, which means that the raving lunatics take charge, and drive out anyone who's sane.

Very bad craziness.

267 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #260 Racer X

Yeah I let it run all night occasionally. Sometimes the fan sounds like a turbo prop though.

The G5s did that.

Without sitting down with it I'm not sure what to think.

268 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:50:06pm

OK, serious question for our Christian friends. I sponsored a midshipman at the Naval Academy, a sort of home away from home for the kid. In the 4 years he was with us, he felt like our son and we were like his second parents.
The issue is that he is a Evangelical Christian and is troubled that his second "mom & dad" are going to hell. Short of accepting Christ, how can we relieve him of that burden ? No small issue for him, he's prayed and cried over it. He's in flight school now, but we talk every week.
BTW, neither he or his parents have pushed their faith on us, but I can see it troubles him.

269 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:50:14pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

Glad for your sake and ours that you did!

270 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:50:43pm

re: #260 Racer X

Yeah I let it run all night occasionally. Sometimes the fan sounds like a turbo prop though.

I have a PDP-8e (minicomputer from 1970) that sounds like a DC-3
Not that I run it very often.

271 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:51:04pm

re: #251 capitalist piglet

Here's one for you that I've wrestled with all my life. We're Catholic, and I got in one hellacious argument with our Monsignor about original sin. Asked him if our daughter (older one, at the time) was born a sinner. He said yes, and I asked him just what sin she committed--being born? Never got a satisfactory answer there.

272 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:52:58pm

I think this woulda made a swell soundtrack for the video (Bob Marley and Eric Clapton): [Link: www.imeem.com...]

273 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:53:25pm

re: #267 jcm

The G5s did that.

Without sitting down with it I'm not sure what to think.

Well so far so good (knocks on wood). If the problems continue I'll call Apple and see what they say. It is out of warranty so I may have to pay big bucks. Or buy a new one. Saw a nice new iMac at Fry's today for under a grand. 350 GB HD.

274 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:54:08pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

I totally thought of David Lynch when I saw that too. Trippy AND retro. Cool, and yet, so uncool.

275 KingKenrod  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:54:12pm

Except for the southern accent grey hair, this Pirkle guy is a dead ringer for New Traditionalists era Mark Mothersbaugh (from DEVO).

276 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:57:42pm

re: #275 KingKenrod

Except for the southern accent grey hair, this Pirkle guy is a dead ringer for New Traditionalists era Mark Mothersbaugh (from DEVO).

Whip, whip it good

277 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:58:12pm

re: #273 Racer X

Well so far so good (knocks on wood). If the problems continue I'll call Apple and see what they say. It is out of warranty so I may have to pay big bucks. Or buy a new one. Saw a nice new iMac at Fry's today for under a grand. 350 GB HD.

You should also keep your eyes open in the Refurbished Mac section of the Apple Store. Every so often, an unbelievable deal presents itself (and usually disappears by the next day).

278 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:58:22pm

I am testing out Safari this evening....very nice.....I might have to finally give up my Firefox......we'll see

279 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:58:27pm

re: #251 capitalist piglet


It's unfortunate no one was able to help him understand the basics of Christianity - primarily, we are all sinners and in need of a Savior. If we accept that Savior, He pays the penalty for our sin - no matter how vile, or how unforgivable our sin. God sacrificed His Son so that this would be possible for all of us.

There is nothing more merciful than that.

I get that, but don't get the concept of a vengeful supreme being. For example, I could accept the rape victim not setting with God, because she did not accept him, but even that is a little weird. To send the rape victim to eternal torment, seems a bit petty to put a human emotion on it, especially for a supreme being.
I could go on to describe why I don't get the whole sacrifice thing either, but we're getting into some very sensitive territory.

280 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:58:27pm

re: #149 Catttt

I thought you expurgated that yourself.

I might have. Let me google that and I'll get back to you.

281 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:59:02pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

I might have. Let me google that and I'll get back to you.

[Link: www.google.com...]

282 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 9:59:58pm

Mimas: Small Moon with a Big Crater

Get away from that thing! Its a Death Star!

283 clgood  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:00:12pm

Thanks you for this, Charles!

As an agnostic skeptic I find the content simultaneously hilarious and sad. As a filmmaker I find the editing and camera choices mesmerising.

Genius at work!

284 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:01:43pm

re: #268 avanti

OK, serious question for our Christian friends. I sponsored a midshipman at the Naval Academy, a sort of home away from home for the kid. In the 4 years he was with us, he felt like our son and we were like his second parents.
The issue is that he is a Evangelical Christian and is troubled that his second "mom & dad" are going to hell. Short of accepting Christ, how can we relieve him of that burden ? No small issue for him, he's prayed and cried over it. He's in flight school now, but we talk every week.
BTW, neither he or his parents have pushed their faith on us, but I can see it troubles him.

What God did in Genesis was to place Adam and Eve in front of two trees; Life, representing God, and knowledge representing everything else.

God gave them the choice. We all have a choice, if God gave Adam and Eve the choice, we as Christians should respect the choices people make.

The gospel is not a fire insurance gospel, repent or burn in hell unlike many evangelicals miss-apprehend.

Christians should not push, lay guilt trips. badger or coerce. If what we have faith in is true, our sharing is not in vain. But we have to live the life first, and not offended in our gospel.

Thank him for his concern, ask him to respect your choice as God respected Adam and Eve's.

285 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:01:50pm

re: #282 Racer X

Mimas: Small Moon with a Big Crater

Get away from that thing! Its a Death Star!

[Link: www.rocksfromspace.org...]

286 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:01:57pm

re: #271 irongrampa

Here's one for you that I've wrestled with all my life. We're Catholic, and I got in one hellacious argument with our Monsignor about original sin. Asked him if our daughter (older one, at the time) was born a sinner. He said yes, and I asked him just what sin she committed--being born? Never got a satisfactory answer there.

Don't the Catholics have a special place for new born's that die before being Baptized since they can't go to heaven. Not purgatory, some other place.

287 rikzilla  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:03:28pm

re: #99 Gus 802

Thanks for the TED video! Very cool stuff.

As for the "Heaven" video? Love how the guy figures out the size of Heaven. Hey..."it's big" woulda worked for the faithful, but I think he was trying to convince the slightly more rational of his flock that he had some special knowledge? Sounded more like Ross Perot with a pie chart.

Here's a better video...George Hrab gives you an idea how huge gigantic is!

288 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:04:22pm

re: #277 gmsc

You should also keep your eyes open in the Refurbished Mac section of the Apple Store. Every so often, an unbelievable deal presents itself (and usually disappears by the next day).

Thanks! I forgot about that.

289 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:04:39pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.rocksfromspace.org...]

Stay on Target!

290 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:05:43pm

Burning Down the House


"Who got a match?"
291 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:05:46pm

re: #287 rikzilla

Thanks for the TED video! Very cool stuff.

As for the "Heaven" video? Love how the guy figures out the size of Heaven. Hey..."it's big" woulda worked for the faithful, but I think he was trying to convince the slightly more rational of his flock that he had some special knowledge? Sounded more like Ross Perot with a pie chart.

Here's a better video...George Hrab gives you an idea how huge gigantic is!

[Video]

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's (drug store), but that's just peanuts to space."
–Douglas Adams

292 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:06:03pm
293 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:06:25pm

re: #292 Hucbald

GAZE

294 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:06:33pm

re: #277 gmsc

You should also keep your eyes open in the Refurbished Mac section of the Apple Store. Every so often, an unbelievable deal presents itself (and usually disappears by the next day).

I buy most of my Macs there.

295 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:06:34pm

re: #284 jcm


Thank him for his concern, ask him to respect your choice as God respected Adam and Eve's.

He has done that, just wish he was not so worried about us.

296 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:08:23pm

re: #294 jcm

I buy most of my Macs there.

The Mac I'm on right now is right out of the refurb section!

I've found because they were made, then had a flaw serious enough flaw to warrant return and refurbishment, and then go through a 2nd inspection to make sure they're up to like-new standards, that they usually operate better and longer than the average just-off-the-factory-line models.

297 wee fury  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:08:25pm

re: #292 Hucbald

Not cool.

298 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:08:53pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Stay on Target!

Here's something most people don't see. It called a pallasite, which is a meteorite from the transitional part of a planetoid, between the molten core and the beginning of stone and crystal.

So, it is iron/nickel with olivine crystals. This is a slice.

[Link: www.rocksfromspace.org...]

299 Bill K.  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:09:16pm

#271 irongrampa

From Ayn Rand the ultimate refutation of Original Sin:

Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.

It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.

The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.

A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.

Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.

What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love —he was not man.

Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.

300 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:09:17pm

re: #286 avanti


Limbo, iirc. Unfortunately--my opinion here--too much of organized religion is a giant guilt trip. It seems to be inclusive, and that flat grates on me.
Not all that comfortable talking about it, I get tired of the same pat answers.
Likely this is the last I'll post on the subject.

301 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:09:43pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

Here's something most people don't see. It called a pallasite, which is a meteorite from the transitional part of a planetoid, between the molten core and the beginning of stone and crystal.

So, it is iron/nickel with olivine crystals. This is a slice.

[Link: www.rocksfromspace.org...]

That is really cool....like a mosaic

302 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:09:54pm

re: #297 wee fury

Not cool.

And now deleted. Thank you, Charles!

303 Mich-again  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:10:18pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

So, it is iron/nickel with olivine crystals. This is a slice.

I could go for a slice with olives. Mmm.

304 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:10:40pm

re: #287 rikzilla

Thanks for the TED video! Very cool stuff.

As for the "Heaven" video? Love how the guy figures out the size of Heaven. Hey..."it's big" woulda worked for the faithful, but I think he was trying to convince the slightly more rational of his flock that he had some special knowledge? Sounded more like Ross Perot with a pie chart.

Here's a better video...George Hrab gives you an idea how huge gigantic is!

[Video]

You're welcome! It is cool and I sort of surfed into that video this morning. "We rationalize the vastness of space and then rationalize the rationalizing."

Here's the UCSD page for V.S. Ramachandran.

Some of his Reith Lectures from 2003.

The history of mankind in the last three hundred years has been punctuated by major upheavals in human thought that we call scientific revolutions - upheavals that have profoundly affected the way in which we view ourselves and our place in the cosmos. First there was the Copernican revolution - the notion that far from being the centre of the universe, our planet is a mere speck of dust revolving around the sun. Then there was the Darwinian revolution culminating in the view that we are not angels but merely hairless apes, as Huxley once pointed out in this very room. And third there was Freud's discovery of the "unconscious" - the idea that even though we claim to be in charge of our destinies, most of our behaviour is governed by a cauldron of motives and emotions which we are barely conscious of. Your conscious life, in short, is nothing but an elaborate post-hoc rationalisation of things you really do for other reasons.

305 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:12:09pm

re: #301 Desert Dog

That is really cool....like a mosaic

Yes, you can see light through the olivine crystals. That pallasite is from China. I have a slice of a pallasite from Russia. Pallasite only account for 1 percent of meteorite falls. Rare material.

306 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:12:23pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Nice!

307 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:12:26pm

Take Me To The River


/Namaste, Y'all
//I acknowledge the spirit within.
308 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:12:29pm

re: #303 Mich-again

I could go for a slice with olives. Mmm.


As long as there's no pineapples.

309 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:13:19pm

re: #299 Bill K.


Odd that this book should come up--I just picked it up, and haven't read enough to recognize that particular passage. Guess we'll really dive into it this weekend.

310 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:13:24pm

OT but Good News:

Pakistan to attack Taliban in Bin Laden’s lair

Check out the photo, the tank commander is using the "V For Victory" sign in its original context: To denote the coming democratic victory over a murderous totalitarian threat.

311 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:13:34pm

Talking Heads - Cross-Eyed And Painless

312 Mich-again  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:13:56pm

re: #299 Bill K.

She was just a bit over dramatic there. Original sin is the gap between being human and being totally unselfish.

313 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:13:59pm

re: #295 avanti

I am sure he is a very nice young man, but he seems to have a very simplistic, or at least simple, faith. He figures there is a simple formula you could do, and presto! you'd be on the list for heaven.

My faith is complex, and people are complex, and only God knows what is in each person's heart. For me to judge other people and assume they are going to hell based on my own imperfect human senses is just nonsense. Judge not, in other words. Unfortunately, I am not sure I could explain that to the young fellow without hurting him or making him angry.

314 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:14:06pm

re: #300 irongrampa

Limbo, iirc. Unfortunately--my opinion here--too much of organized religion is a giant guilt trip. It seems to be inclusive, and that flat grates on me.
Not all that comfortable talking about it, I get tired of the same pat answers.
Likely this is the last I'll post on the subject.

It gives me a headache too. Even though I'm a agnostic, I have a spiritual side and would love to believe in something bigger then us, but organized religions seem like a guilt/reward concept designed by mortals.

315 anubis_soundwave  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:14:07pm

re: #196 Karridine

So when Jesus chose words to explain His 'return', and His 3 promises can be seen to point directly to the year 1844, you imply that He was ignorant of the meaning of His words? Or He didn't KNOW they would lead to the ONLY person Who came that year claiming divinity?

Or maybe you just suggest that Jesus is RIGHT, but we misunderstand His guidance, even when it is fulfilled?

Ah, well, IIPeter2:1 is pertinent, and ustimately we're both correct: for you, Christ has NOT returned. He HAS returned for me.

B'ahai says: 5/23/1844.

Christian says: Read the NT.

Jew says: We know what to look for, and you're both wrong.

Intolerant Muslim says: You will all die for your unbelief.

Buddhist says: Why are you all worrying about God to begin with? It won't bring you peace or enlightenment to speculate on such things. First, remove the poison arrow, then worry about who shot you--that's what I say.

Hindu says: Ahem! Forget that Gautama clown and his meanderings. We have the real deal: Reincarnation until nirvana, baby. Where do you think the Buddhists got it?

Shintoist says: The gods inhabit everything!

Atheist says: There is no god. There is only the material reality that exists. That's it. All of your philosophies are just made up crap as far as I can tell, and I ask you to please leave me out of it.

Agnostic looks at all of them and says: I don't know. I cannot speculate on the unknown with the evidence we have available. (cont'd)

316 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:14:31pm

re: #295 avanti

He has done that, just wish he was not so worried about us.

Not much you can do about that. He cares for you.

317 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:14:55pm

re: #295 avanti
Hi avanti - I truly do understand your situation. And I'm probably the LAST person on this blog who should offer advice about this, but I do think that jcm is rignt "Thank him for his concern, ask him to respect your choice as God respected Adam and Eve's."
That you are concerned because he is SO WORRIED about you show what a good "Stepfather" (or maybe "Godfather" in the non-Mario Puzzo meaning of the word!) you have been. And I wish I had a better answer for you, but I do think jcm is spot on about this matter.

318 anubis_soundwave  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:15:44pm

CONT'D FROM: re: #315 anubis_soundwave

While what we do have points to the atheist's position, I have to consider the messenger and the issue. Atheism as a philosophy has been around for all of three hundred years, tops--though I admit that longevity is no indicator of truth.

What's keeping me out of the Atheist column is this: either every culture in history has concocted fanciful lies for some odd reason lost to antiquity, or all of those cultures saw "something" and--interpreted through each culture's lens--called it "god".

Most individuals chalk it up to faith and leave it at that, but the atheist and me: we want empirical evidence. Look, according to the New Testament, when Jesus came back from the dead (and this depends on four eyewitness accounts--one from a doctor who wasn't even there at the time of the death/burial/resurrection), Thomas--one of the twelve disciples--wanted proof. Now to the christian, I ask you: What Would Jesus Do--or in this case, What Did Jesus Do?

Did he discount Thomas? Did he rebuke, punish, or curse Thomas? Did he reject Thomas? Did he issue a fatwa on Thomas demanding that he be burned at the stake? (Yes, I know: I'm conflating christian intolerance with muslim intolerance.)

To answer all of these: no. According to the New Testament that you recommended, christian, Jesus simply...showed Thomas the evidence he was asking for.

Before you scoff, atheist, there's something you must consider.

One of the following occured:

A. some actor 2,000 years ago followed the Stanislavsky method; he willingly punched 1-inch nails into his hands (wrists) and impaled himself on a spear--after being flogged by the Praetorian guard to within an inch of his life

B. the early christian church around 70 CE was composed of a bunch of liars

C. someone in ancient Jerusalem survived a crucifixion and identified himself as Jesus

D. Jesus was in fact resurrected

A is irrational, B is one of several atheist conclusions, and C is completely impossible barring a miracle. Based on the facts, B and D are plausible and rational conclusions based on one's philosophical outlook on life.

I know you guys hate it when I get so long winded. I'm not sorry. I've actually read your books, studied your philosophies and writings--along with a whole bunch more. I've given this more thought than any of you can imagine.

Why? Why won't I take pat answers from any of you?

I want the truth.

To any intolerant jerk who would kill me for my questions: fuck off. I value my life.

/not an agnostic--closer to a deist with Christian flavor

319 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:16:03pm

re: #295 avanti

He has done that, just wish he was not so worried about us.

He should realize that he is not the one who decides these things.

320 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:16:28pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Geez, what'd I miss? Do I wanna know?

321 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:17:24pm

re: #266 Charles

Very bad craziness.

"Bad money drives out good."

322 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:17:44pm

And people say the Chinese are uptight?
China builds first sex theme park

323 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:17:54pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton
Wow, that is some photo - thank you.
Uh, what does "FUKANG" mean at the lower left of that photo?

324 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:17:58pm

re: #180 Dar ul Harbarian

Cool movie. Just watched it for the first time in a long time.

325 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:18:23pm

re: #318 anubis_soundwave

...To any intolerant jerk who would kill me for my questions: fuck off. I value my life.

/not an agnostic--closer to a deist with Christian flavor

Considering that last statement you made above "I value my life," I would say you are closer to being mentally ill.

326 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:19:05pm

re: #322 Desert Dog

And people say the Chinese are uptight?
China builds first sex theme park

I think someone painted a red thong on that picture!

327 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:19:16pm

re: #320 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez, what'd I miss? Do I wanna know?

Just some jackass bashing Christians in a pointless, mean-spirited fashion. Charles flushed his post, consigning it to the sewer of rancid troll crap.

328 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:19:32pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Take Me To The River


[Video]
/Namaste, Y'all
//I acknowledge the spirit within.

From the same concert, my personal Talking Head's fav

329 HelloDare  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:19:41pm

Hyper Sniper Cat

330 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:19:53pm

re: #323 realwest

Wow, that is some photo - thank you.
Uh, what does "FUKANG" mean at the lower left of that photo?

It is the name of the place in China where the meteorite was found.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

331 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:20:47pm

re: #323 realwest

Wow, that is some photo - thank you.
Uh, what does "FUKANG" mean at the lower left of that photo?

Fukang.

332 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:21:30pm

re: #326 Catttt

I think someone painted a red thong on that picture!

OK, I guess it's really there. Rear view. Ewwwwwwwww.

333 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:21:30pm

re: #331 jcm

Fukang.

GMTA

334 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:21:31pm

re: #313 Catttt

I am sure he is a very nice young man, but he seems to have a very simplistic, or at least simple, faith. He figures there is a simple formula you could do, and presto! you'd be on the list for heaven.

My faith is complex, and people are complex, and only God knows what is in each person's heart. For me to judge other people and assume they are going to hell based on my own imperfect human senses is just nonsense. Judge not, in other words. Unfortunately, I am not sure I could explain that to the young fellow without hurting him or making him angry.

For him, it's a slam dunk, if you don't accept Christ as your personal savior, you are doomed. Since neither my wife and I could fake it, he's holding out the hope that we'll have a revelation. It's confusing to all of us.

335 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:21:57pm

re: #332 Catttt

OK, I guess it's really there. Rear view. Ewwwwwwwww.

That is an ewwwwwww

336 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:22:24pm

One hour and no glitches!

Man I hope I don't jinx it.

337 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:22:29pm

re: #329 HelloDare

Hyper Sniper Cat


[Video]

ROFL!

338 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:22:38pm

re: #335 Desert Dog

That is an ewwwwwww

That is sooooo tack-kay.

339 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:23:12pm

re: #322 Desert Dog

And people say the Chinese are uptight?
China builds first sex theme park

A lower body, female, torso truncated at the belly button.

That's all you need, folks.

Dehumanization proceeds apace.

340 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:23:15pm

re: #334 avanti

For him, it's a slam dunk, if you don't accept Christ as your personal savior, you are doomed. Since neither my wife and I could fake it, he's holding out the hope that we'll have a revelation. It's confusing to all of us.

See you in hell then, Avanti. Don't worry, many of us will be there with you as well.

341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:23:41pm

re: #329 HelloDare

"Damn kids! Keep it down out there, I'm trying to sleep! I've got mice to chase in the morning"!

342 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:23:59pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton


Huh...not the place where they set up the sex theme park?

343 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:24:43pm

re: #332 Catttt

OK, I guess it's really there. Rear view. Ewwwwwwwww.

Well, I can think of a lot worse "Ewwwwwww's" than a 20 foot woman's lower body in a thong. A Zombietime report comes to mind.

344 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:24:51pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

GMTA

One very cool rock.

345 wee fury  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:25:01pm

re: #332 Catttt

OK, I guess it's really there. Rear view. Ewwwwwwwww.

But, not unlike this.

346 freetoken  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:25:28pm

Are Vimeo videos embed-able here (like Youtube)?

347 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:25:38pm

re: #343 Racer X

Well, I can think of a lot worse "Ewwwwwww's" than a 20 foot woman's lower body in a thong. A Zombietime report comes to mind.

That stuff is an EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, not just a plain ewwwwwwwww

348 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:26:15pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

He should realize that he is not the one who decides these things.

True, but from his perspective, he sees us walking off a cliff that we can't see. I agree, there is no real solution other then to tell him that he's warned us, and our fate is not in his hands.

349 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:04pm

re: #340 Desert Dog

See you in hell then, Avanti. Don't worry, many of us will be there with you as well.

Heaven for the weather, hell for the company. :)

350 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:25pm

re: #328 Desert Dog

I'm still partial to....


Namaste for real this time.
351 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:31pm

And my favorite Talking Heads song:

352 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:34pm

re: #329 HelloDare

Hyper Sniper Cat


[Video]

Schroedinger's suitcase?

353 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:45pm

re: #349 avanti

Heaven for the weather, hell for the company. :)

I'm looking forward to it...

354 anubis_soundwave  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:46pm

re: #325 Walter L. Newton

Downdinged you, I'm afraid. I had typed that at about 1 in the morning.

I could be wrong about the speculations, and about the atheists, but I'm not mentally ill.

Thanks for playing.

355 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:27:59pm
356 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:28:42pm

re: #339 Cato the Elder

A lower body, female, torso truncated at the belly button.

That's all you need, folks.

Dehumanization proceeds apace.

The Chinese are just trying to catch up to the decadent West. They have dehumanizing down to a science, but the sex bits allude them still.

357 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:29:07pm

re: #334 avanti

Absolutely off the subject--I don't really give a shit if you're a lefty--anyone who loves old cars enough to perpetuate them can't be all bad in my book. For that alone you get a BIG thumbs up from me.

358 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:29:07pm

re: #334 avanti

Rock and a hard place. It's really not your problem - he has a problem with judging others that is part and parcel or his simple faith (I don't mean to belittle him, but a slam dunk heaven key is an extremely simple view). Using his perception, what is slam dunk for one guy is a bounce off the rim for others, and he is trying to get you to shoot when you don't want to play.

If you speak to him and he brings it up, I would try the suggestion above - please respect our choice as we do yours.

359 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:29:16pm

re: #354 anubis_soundwave

Downdinged you, I'm afraid. I had typed that at about 1 in the morning.

I could be wrong about the speculations, and about the atheists, but I'm not mentally ill.

Thanks for playing.

Then what the hell did you mean by...

"...To any intolerant jerk who would kill me for my questions: fuck off. I value my life."

360 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:29:26pm

re: #326 Catttt

I think someone painted a red thong on that picture!

Giant genitalia? What about the giant breast from Woody Allen's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex?

361 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:30:01pm

re: #339 Cato the Elder

A lower body, female, torso truncated at the belly button.

That's all you need, folks.

Dehumanization proceeds apace.

I hate truncated female torsos. Why can't the Chinese have more enlightened pieces, like the Venus De Milo?

////////

362 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:30:02pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

I'm still partial to....

[Video]
Namaste for real this time.

That's a great one as well. I saw them during this period at Red Rocks in Colorado. It's still one of my all time favorite concerts. We danced the entire show.

363 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:30:12pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

You fucked up the link you Ron Paul obsessed Tea party hating fuckstick.....
once in a lifetime

364 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:30:54pm

re: #361 gmsc

I hate truncated female torsos. Why can't the Chinese have more enlightened pieces, like the Venus De Milo?

////////

In Bayonne we had Vinnie the Milo, he was missing his...

365 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:32:27pm

re: #360 Kosh's Shadow

Giant genitalia? What about the giant breast from Woody Allen's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex?

Penis bench. Possible boobs in wonderland in the background.

366 HelloDare  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:32:56pm

re: #337 jcm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

Found that at Cute Overload. That website keeps me sane. Or close to it.

367 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:33:07pm

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

In Bayonne we had Vinnie the Milo, he was missing his...

ROFL!

And cleaning beer off my monitor!

368 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:33:27pm

re: #300 irongrampa
Hey irongrampa - I've asked this question of a protestant minister (Lutheran) a Roman Catholic Priest and a Rabbi (Reform I think): if as the bible tells us, God is omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent, then why does he allow War and famine and illiteracy?
Interestingly enough, I got pretty much the SAME ANSWER from each of them: God works in mysterious and Wondrous Ways.
I was much younger then and was TERRIBLY displeased with this answer.
Fast forward thirty some odd years and in Vietnam I saw things that I could not explain - some great things and some truly gruesome things. I spoke to a Chaplin (a Roman Catholic Priest) and described in very graphic detail some of those things that I had seen (and done) and asked him the same question and his answer was:"God works in Mysterious and Wondrous ways."

At that time that did make sense to me, because I could think of no other answer which would fit with all that I had learned to that date.
While I truly detest the "competitive nature" of all religions ("choose us or you'll go to hell" type of stuff) I think it's true that there are some things that man alone cannot or at least has not explained and perhaps there lies the hand of God.

369 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:33:31pm

re: #357 irongrampa

Absolutely off the subject--I don't really give a shit if you're a lefty--anyone who loves old cars enough to perpetuate them can't be all bad in my book. For that alone you get a BIG thumbs up from me.

Thanks for that. Just getting ready to ship one Avanti and another on the way, this one a red supercharged 4 speed job.

370 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:34:00pm

re: #363 Killgore Trout Stinks

Er, see:

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

371 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:34:04pm

re: #304 Gus 802

Ramachandran was featured in a recent New Yorker profile. He has, among other things, developed a technique using an ordinary mirror that relieves "phantom limb" pain in a majority of patients.

No one has ever come up with a reliable treatment for that before. He does it with a mirror and simple tromp l'oeil.

He's a genius.

And without hitting the "alarm" button on his key fob, he can't find his car in a parking lot!

I highly recommend the article.

372 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:34:07pm

re: #365 Catttt

Penis bench. Possible boobs in wonderland in the background.

What? You do not have your own penis bench in your backyard?

373 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:35:40pm

re: #366 HelloDare

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

Found that at Cute Overload. That website keeps me sane. Or close to it.

Friend had an ambush cat.

Would hide under furniture, make his attack and scamper off to his next ambush site.

374 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:36:05pm

Back in a bit, gotta see what wonder mutt's hollering about.

375 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:36:38pm

re: #365 Catttt

Penis bench. Possible boobs in wonderland in the background.

I'll skip that. I'll settle for this instead:

376 Ojoe  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:36:41pm

All my favorite cats will be waiting for me in heaven.

G'night all.

377 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:36:43pm

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

In Bayonne we had Vinnie the Milo, he was missing his...

Charles Nelson Reilly: "...bippie?" [Immediately followed by standard Charles Nelson Reilly laugh]

378 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:37:10pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton
and
re: #331 jcm
Thank you both.

379 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:37:19pm

re: #368 realwest

My understanding is - that God gave us humans mental tools - what we choose to do with them is of our accord.

380 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:37:25pm

re: #329 HelloDare

That woke up my cats.

381 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:38:09pm

re: #375 Kosh's Shadow

I loved that flick.

"They generally travel ------in pairs."

382 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:38:43pm

re: #379 Bobibutu

My understanding is - that God gave us humans mental tools - what we choose to do with them is of our accord.

383 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:39:04pm

re: #375 Kosh's Shadow

I'll skip that. I'll settle for this instead:

[Video]

4000 Xcup

384 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:39:12pm

re: #370 Racer X

Er, see:

re: #351 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Racer X.

385 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:39:36pm

re: #371 Cato the Elder

Ramachandran was featured in a recent New Yorker profile. He has, among other things, developed a technique using an ordinary mirror that relieves "phantom limb" pain in a majority of patients.

No one has ever come up with a reliable treatment for that before. He does it with a mirror and simple tromp l'oeil.

He's a genius.

And without hitting the "alarm" button on his key fob, he can't find his car in a parking lot!

I highly recommend the article.

The mirror technique which he mentions in the video and is part of his lectures. All for only 3 dollars as he say. Great sense of humor too.

This is the New Yorker article that mentions the mirror "trick."

386 avanti  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:40:33pm

I'll close out the evening with a bonus picture of my mid. It has it all, military guy, a Studebaker and a pretty girl.:) Night all.

Your text to link...

387 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:42:06pm

re: #385 Gus 802

The mirror technique which he mentions in the video and is part of his lectures. All for only 3 dollars as he say. Great sense of humor too.

This is the New Yorker article that mentions the mirror "trick."

From the link:

The therapy (also covered by Atul Gawande in this magazine) is singularly simple to execute but devilishly difficult to describe in prose

I suppose it could be verse.

*rimshot*

388 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:43:11pm

re: #299 Bill K.

I hate Ayn Rand worse than original sin.

389 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:43:12pm

re: #371 Cato the Elder

And without hitting the "alarm" button on his key fob, he can't find his car in a parking lot!

I'm pretty sure I'd like this guy - have to read more about him.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to call my cell phone from my work phone to find my cell phone.

390 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:43:26pm

re: #387 gmsc

I suppose it could be verse.

*rimshot*

You know I was thinking about you when I typed out "mirror trick."

Doh!

391 jcm  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:44:55pm

re: #389 Catttt

I'm pretty sure I'd like this guy - have to read more about him.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to call my cell phone from my work phone to find my cell phone.

I have a excuse for doing that.

My 2 and half year loves the cell phone and will cart it off anytime she can get her hands on it.

She "calls" grandma with it.

392 realwest  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:45:21pm

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta get some sleep.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good Night, All.

393 Macker  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:45:37pm

Seems to me that this clip is from the 1950s. How retro! One can only imagine the remastered version....

394 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:46:19pm

re: #390 Gus 802

You know I was thinking about you when I typed out "mirror trick."

Doh!

Thanks. Although you should probably be thinking about Copperfield when it comes to mirror tricks.

395 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:47:04pm

re: #349 avanti

Heaven for the weather, hell for the company. :)

Tonight we dine - - - - in hell!

396 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:48:00pm

Good Morning..I can't sleep...

397 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:48:31pm

Speaking of things Chinese and sexy, I always thought the cheongsam was a very alluring, understated and elegant garment all at once and could be a good look for Western women (depending on physique).

/sexier than semi-nude torso-less statues, at least.

398 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:48:45pm

re: #396 HoosierHoops

Read a book. Have some warm milk. Go back to bed.

399 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:49:05pm

re: #394 gmsc

Thanks. Although you should probably be thinking about Copperfield when it comes to mirror tricks.

Now I'm thinking "magic tricks and it's application to neurology."

400 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:49:11pm

re: #389 Catttt

I'm pretty sure I'd like this guy - have to read more about him.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to call my cell phone from my work phone to find my cell phone.

You'd love this article!

He also can't remember his wife's birthday after 22 years of marriage. He knows it's in August, because his is, too.

During the interview on this subject, their kid pipes up and asks does he know his birthday.

R. looks at him helplessly, then says, "It doesn't mean I don't love you."

He's the original absent-minded professor. Oliver Sacks is one of his best buddies. And you should hear some of his theorizing on the origins of metaphor.

Apparently creativity comes in part from analogizing things that aren't related at all. He's working on synesthetics - people who "hear" colors or "see" sounds - as a model for how it works.

In other words, the misfires in our brains may be largely responsible for any new stuff that emerges.

If you can't find the article get back to me and I'll mail you a copy.

401 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:49:12pm

re: #388 Cato the Elder

I hate Ayn Rand worse than original sin.

And your alternative?

402 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:50:16pm
403 irongrampa  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:50:45pm

re: #368 realwest

He gave us choice, RW--and the results of that choice, I think, can be seen in the"Wondrous and Mysterious ways He works".

404 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:51:35pm

re: #396 HoosierHoops

Hi Hoops! Can you sing yourself a lullaby? I can go off to teh youtubes looking, if you can't.

405 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:51:43pm

re: #398 Catttt

Read a book. Have some warm milk. Go back to bed.

Thanks..The warm milk sounds good..There is a show on about the new movie Angels and Demons..
pretty cool

406 Racer X  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:51:47pm

Well, it's Bath Night and my wife would like some attention.

Good nite all.

407 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:51:49pm

re: #399 Gus 802

Now I'm thinking "magic tricks and it's application to neurology."

Now THAT'S more along my line (I'd include a link, but all you have to do is click my name).

408 Catttt  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:52:31pm

re: #400 Cato the Elder

Thanks, hon. I hearted the linky and am going to check it out tomorrow.

I got up too early today (guy upstairs doing carpentry). For once, I'm going to beat my Siamese to the bedroom. :D

409 Bill K.  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:52:52pm

#312 Mich-again

She was just a bit over dramatic there. Original sin is the gap between being human and being totally unselfish.

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Original Sin makes a mockery of morality and free will and necessarily views man as innately depraved. The antipode of Original Sin is not being totally unselfish. Men are not ghosts; they have material needs they must satisfy in order to live. This is rational selfishness. Neither sacrificing yourself to others or sacrificing others to yourself.

410 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:53:44pm

re: #397 Fenway_Nation

Speaking of things Chinese and sexy, I always thought the cheongsam was a very alluring, understated and elegant garment all at once and could be a good look for Western women (depending on physique).

/sexier than semi-nude torso-less statues, at least.

Yes and the Vietnamese Ao Dai and their VPLs are absolute killers.

411 justdanny  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:53:47pm

I sorta liked Ayn Rand. Ref, this from the movie Fountainhead.

412 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:54:10pm

Speaking of Angels and Demons..Since it's on the History Channel..
Dr. C takes on the science in the book here:
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

413 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:54:27pm

re: #405 HoosierHoops


*sigh* Is it the History Channel? I love 'em most of the time, but they tend to be insufferable when doing these tie-in shows that coincides with a movie's release...

414 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:54:37pm

re: #404 Floral Giraffe

Hi Hoops! Can you sing yourself a lullaby? I can go off to teh youtubes looking, if you can't.

Good Morning! Hope you are well today

415 Gus  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:54:46pm

re: #407 gmsc

Now THAT'S more along my line (I'd include a link, but all you have to do is click my name).

Indeed. It applies to psychology as well.

416 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:55:02pm

re: #396 HoosierHoops

It's nice. Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite!

417 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:55:27pm

re: #413 Fenway_Nation

*sigh* Is it the History Channel? I love 'em most of the time, but they tend to be insufferable when doing these tie-in shows that coincides with a movie's release...

Celtics gonna win tonight?

418 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:55:55pm

re: #401 Bobibutu

And your alternative?

Nietzsche.

419 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:56:17pm

re: #413 Fenway_Nation

*sigh* Is it the History Channel? I love 'em most of the time, but they tend to be insufferable when doing these tie-in shows that coincides with a movie's release...

Still, it's those tie-ins that make the money that let the History Channel produce the programs we actually enjoy.

420 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:57:26pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

Still, it's those tie-ins that make the money that let the History Channel produce the programs we actually enjoy.

Oh lawd..I shred the history channel here..We need more programming about UFO's and Big Foot..:)
Good Morning

421 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:57:32pm

re: #414 HoosierHoops

I'm good. Mom, well, not so. We'll sort it out tomorrow, in daylight. SIGH.

422 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:57:40pm

re: #410 Bobibutu

I've actually seen the Ao Dai worn before....a red silk one for a wedding. But what's a VPL?

423 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:58:35pm

re: #412 HoosierHoops

Speaking of Angels and Demons..Since it's on the History Channel..
Dr. C takes on the science in the book here:
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

Mrs. Desert Dog and I saw that movie last night. It was ok. The science AND religion was heavy on stereotype, but the story line was good. Ron Howard is a very good movie maker. It's a movie, that's all it is.

424 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:59:11pm

re: #396 HoosierHoops

Good Morning..I can't sleep...

Hey Hoops - me neither.

425 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:59:23pm

re: #422 Fenway_Nation

I've actually seen the Ao Dai worn before....a red silk one for a wedding. But what's a VPL?

Heh - visible panty line -

426 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:59:54pm

re: #417 HoosierHoops

*[verybig]Sigh*

I almost don't care anymore after what happened to the Bruins. I don't even think Carolina was the better team....yet they're going on to face the Penguins for the Eastern conference finals.

427 Irenicum  Sat, May 16, 2009 10:59:56pm

re: #286 avanti

Limbo.

428 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:00:14pm

re: #413 Fenway_Nation

*sigh* Is it the History Channel? I love 'em most of the time, but they tend to be insufferable when doing these tie-in shows that coincides with a movie's release...

My friends and I are betting on how they'll work a scene with Tom Hanks pissing into Angels and Demons.

429 gmsc  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:01:15pm

re: #427 Irenicum

Limbo.

And if the unborn babies can make it under the bar, then what happens?

430 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:01:24pm

re: #418 Cato the Elder

Nietzsche.

Cheery guy, that Nietzsche.

431 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:02:35pm

re: #424 Cato the Elder

Hey Hoops - me neither.

What up!?
Wait!..we are..
:)

432 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:03:32pm

re: #426 Fenway_Nation

*[verybig]Sigh*

I almost don't care anymore after what happened to the Bruins. I don't even think Carolina was the better team....yet they're going on to face the Penguins for the Eastern conference finals.

What do you think of Crosby?

433 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:03:53pm

re: #409 Bill K.

#312 Mich-again

I don't understand the connection you are trying to make. Original Sin makes a mockery of morality and free will and necessarily views man as innately depraved. The antipode of Original Sin is not being totally unselfish. Men are not ghosts; they have material needs they must satisfy in order to live. This is rational selfishness. Neither sacrificing yourself to others or sacrificing others to yourself.

But Rand had absolutely no problem sacrificing others to her almighty self.

And rape is OK too, if your name is Roark.

434 Erik The Red  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:04:35pm

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I got a bottle of 18 year old Johnnie Walker Gold for my b-day yesterday. I will be cracking that in about 4 hours. :)

435 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:05:51pm

re: #434 Erik The Red

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I got a bottle of 18 year old Johnnie Walker Gold for my b-day yesterday. I will be cracking that in about 4 hours. :)

Fucking A and Happy Birthday Erik!
Let's get this party started..
Yawn..
No really...

436 justdanny  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:06:17pm

re: #433 Cato the Elder
I wouldnt call what Roark did rape. Reread the story.

437 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:06:26pm

I thought some trousers were usually worn under the Ao-Dai. Must be optional.

438 Erik The Red  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:06:31pm

re: #435 HoosierHoops

Fucking A and Happy Birthday Erik!
Let's get this party started..
Yawn..
No really...

Thanks 2H.

439 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:06:50pm

re: #434 Erik The Red

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I got a bottle of 18 year old Johnnie Walker Gold for my b-day yesterday. I will be cracking that in about 4 hours. :)

I am finishing off a bottle of $3 Negro Gato Malbec, here's a toast to you now, mi amigo!

440 Erik The Red  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:07:23pm

re: #439 Desert Dog

I am finishing off a bottle of $3 Negro Gato Malbec, here's a toast to you now, mi amigo!

Thanks DD.

441 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:08:13pm

re: #430 Desert Dog

Cheery guy, that Nietzsche.

Actually Nietzsche's sense of humor is remarkable - for a German. I enjoy reading his gorbellied works in the original. Some of Zarathustra is LOL-worthy.

Rand, in contrast, had all the humor of a mouse turd. You don't take it seriously when you see it; but you can't laugh at it, either.

442 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:08:31pm

re: #437 Fenway_Nation

I thought some trousers were usually worn under the Ao-Dai. Must be optional.

Yes trousers - and the outfits sometimes are so thin - well - those ladies knew what they were doing.

443 Bill K.  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:08:54pm

#388 Cato the Elder

I hate Ayn Rand worse than original sin.

What does that mean? That you see men as innately depraved? By the way, Original Sin is an unlimited license for evil for those peddling this view.

444 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:10:04pm

re: #436 justdanny

I wouldnt call what Roark did rape. Reread the story.

No, thanks. I've got widows and orphans to plunder and maidens to despoil.

And better books by the score when I'm done.

445 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:11:06pm

re: #443 Bill K.

#388 Cato the Elder

What does that mean? That you see men as innately depraved?[...]

No, just that I hate Ayn Rand.

446 Desert Dog  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:11:18pm

re: #441 Cato the Elder

Actually Nietzsche's sense of humor is remarkable - for a German. I enjoy reading his gorbellied works in the original. Some of Zarathustra is LOL-worthy.

Rand, in contrast, had all the humor of a mouse turd. You don't take it seriously when you see it; but you can't laugh at it, either.

I took Philosophy 101 as one of my electives bank in 1980-something. I enjoyed that class immensely. I think Neitzsche was way ahead of his contemporaries. Looking at the world now, I would say he was.

447 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:11:31pm

Ooh, and now there's a new thread to hate her on.

448 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:11:48pm

re: #444 Cato the Elder

No, thanks. I've got widows and orphans to plunder and maidens to despoil.

And better books by the score when I'm done.

You realize you are not being very green when you plunder the countryside don't you?
/

449 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:12:22pm

upstairs lizards

450 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:12:49pm

re: #448 HoosierHoops

You realize you are not being very green when you plunder the countryside don't you?
/

First rule of freebootery: Always remember to pillage before you burn.

451 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:13:17pm

re: #432 HoosierHoops

I think Ovechkin is the player the NHL wants Crosby to be at this point. The league and Canadians seem reluctant to embrace European players, tho'. Crosby can be impressive at times (hat-trick in a losing effort during that series against Washington) but Russian linemate Evgeni Malkin is almost as impressive with a fraction of the hype.

Capitals/Penguins could be the Celtics/Cavs or Lakers/Spurs of the NHL for the next few years.

452 justdanny  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:13:34pm

re: #444 Cato the Elder
Cool.

But it wasnt rape and I'm sure Ayn Rand wasnt pro rape. (did that read as silly sounding as it sounded in my head?)

btw Im reading Story of Edgar Sawtelle, started it today. Its fun.

453 Bob Dillon  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:14:18pm

re: #437 Fenway_Nation

I thought some trousers were usually worn under the Ao-Dai. Must be optional.

[Link: virtualdoug.typepad.com...]

The Ao Dai covers everything but its thin fabric hides almost nothing. That’s true! Ao Dai is so charming and so sexy that it made visitors to Vietnam never forget.

454 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:14:29pm
455 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:15:21pm

re: #434 Erik The Red

Happy Belated Birthday to you!
And many moooooore!

456 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:17:52pm

re: #452 justdanny

Cool.

But it wasnt rape and I'm sure Ayn Rand wasnt pro rape. (did that read as silly sounding as it sounded in my head?)

btw Im reading Story of Edgar Sawtelle, started it today. Its fun.

Never heard of that one. I'll look it up.

[looks up book]

Ooh, dogs. A big plus sign.

457 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:18:04pm
458 justdanny  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:22:03pm

re: #456 Cato the Elder Yes, dogs!

459 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:29:10pm
460 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:34:14pm
461 Orbit Rain  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:41:37pm

That is some funny, fucked up shit.

462 [deleted]  Sat, May 16, 2009 11:43:27pm
463 [deleted]  Sun, May 17, 2009 12:37:06am
464 Fierce Guppy  Sun, May 17, 2009 12:44:42am

re: #114 NelsFree

It's Charles' blog; he may open threads as he sees fit. Charles, did you have a specific reason for this one at this time?

Charles posted links to these two youtube videos in the previous comments thread.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

He's clearly been perusing the "Related Videos" listing because
there is quite a fascinating blend of creepiness, insanity, retro 60s/70s tackiness, and unintended humour to be found among that lot. "Does This Excite You?" is one of them.

Tony.

465 MPH  Sun, May 17, 2009 1:43:03am

Every second of that video was perfect and awesome!

466 herbieham  Sun, May 17, 2009 2:43:36am

Well - the man presented the stuff in a funny and campy way I suppose.
But - all he did was tell it as the Bible tells it.
(not that 95% of posters here would have ever read the relevant words)
I can understand all the stuff against creationism being taught in schools in LGF -thats fair and probably proper -but it some how seems strange that here we have a sight where Islam is seen as a threat, that radicalism is seen as a threat, yet just the fundamentals of the bible, of Christian faith seem to need to be mocked and derided as well. I'm sure our Islamic enemies are pleased as punch.
Attack the Christan faith as much as you like -I won't go out of my tree -but gee -read it to see what it says before you think you can mock it with any authority.

For the poster who is worried about his parents going to hell?
Jesus -in the Bible -is quite clear.
Accept Christs salvation - or go to the other place.
Christianity actually is very, very simple - accept what Jesus did on the cross for you - or don't
There is nothing deeper really than that -but then, when you contemplate the Grace offered by God - then there is no bottom to how deep you could go.
Its been a fun thread to read !

467 [deleted]  Sun, May 17, 2009 3:10:30am
468 Timbre  Sun, May 17, 2009 4:07:01am

re: #466 herbieham

re: #467 Miles

Methinks neither of you understand Charles or this thread.

469 Ziggy Standard  Sun, May 17, 2009 4:27:17am

Did Mr Pirkle make a video about hell? Presumably called "Does this terrify you?". I'd like to see that.

470 Ziggy Standard  Sun, May 17, 2009 4:37:51am

re: #467 Miles

"What's all this smirking? You find something risible about Mr Pirkle? ATHEIST!I'LL PRAY FOR YOU, ASSHOLE!"

What a silly, bigoted cretin you are, Miles. Bye.

471 Steve  Sun, May 17, 2009 4:51:24am

That is about the stupidest video I have seen in a long time.

472 freetoken  Sun, May 17, 2009 5:05:30am

re: #466 herbieham


But - all he did was tell it as the Bible tells it.
(not that 95% of posters here would have ever read the relevant words)

Ohh.... foo.

Pirkle is doing nothing but creating fantasies out of his own mind. His depiction of "heaven" is ludicrous.

If you think it has anything to do with reality, then you need help.

If you think this presentation of "heaven" is Biblical then you need to go back and study more.

/You'd likely be shocked at how much some of lizards have studied the Bible.


Pirkle's come-to-Jesus ending is standard for Baptist-type sermons. Pirkle could have made a movie about anything yet his preaching style would still call for a come-to-Jesus ending.

473 Ziggy Standard  Sun, May 17, 2009 5:38:11am

Found it - The Burning Hell by Estus Pirkle

474 anubis_soundwave  Sun, May 17, 2009 5:44:15am

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

Then what the hell did you mean by...

"...To any intolerant jerk who would kill me for my questions: fuck off. I value my life."

The Fred Phelps types and Islamic extremists of the world. I apologize for: 1. not making that clear, and 2. not responding for several hours.

475 anubis_soundwave  Sun, May 17, 2009 6:11:57am

re: #473 Jimmah

Oh, why...? Granted, according to parts of Christian philosophy, that's true.

Great Commission notwithstanding, the bad acting hurts the cause.

476 Annar  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:24:03am

The only thing missing is the cry that god can't deliver any of this stuff without your financial aid. Maybe that's in the sequel.

477 Canoe Train  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:28:55am

re: #118 albusteve

If anything, that should be her "welcome to equality" moment. Equal punishment -- same as if a man had done it.

478 Captain Faris  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:08am

Usually I say that the only qualification for being a Christian is to be a "sinner"; but I could just as easily have said that one must be "silly".
Pray for us!
(and thanks, Charles)

479 Canoe Train  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:34am

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Remember that there can be blame enough for both sides -- don't just blame one side of the situation when things do not go according to her liking.

480 Claire  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:39:47am

re: #473 Jimmah

The King of Babylon has a Texan accent! Hilarious.

481 Canoe Train  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:58:19am

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's ok. Neither did I. from all reports ( and it is now 20+ years in the past) all I missed out on was the chance to see other people act stupid in the vain effort to come across as totally cool. In other words, by missing my prom, I think I got the better end of the deal.

482 BingoBunny  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:13:29am

Heavens!

/it's just a dimension away

483 Dom  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:53:08am

re: #473 Jimmah

Good find. Loving the soundtrack and effects.

484 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 17, 2009 9:27:45am

Gotta love it. There are actually some people who think that posting this video "proves" I must be an atheist.

Believe it or not, when I posted this it didn't even occur to me that anyone could possibly be offended, or take it personally. It's exactly what I wrote above -- an oddity. How can someone look at this video and think, "Charles is making fun of ME!?"

And we even have at least one person who says we're doomed to hell, and the video was just showing the truth.

Good grief.

485 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 17, 2009 9:51:12am

By the way, people who insist on using derogatory slurs for "Muslim" will lose their accounts.

486 Claire  Sun, May 17, 2009 9:53:16am

I went to church with a Baptist family around the same era, 1969 or so, and the whole service was guilting people into marching up front to cry and confess and declare they wanted to get rid of their "black hearts" or whatever and accept Jesus. My 8-year old friend would whisper to me about hell. Fire roasting your skin for eternity, no water, etc....The air of emotional coercion and fear was intense- it was surreal, not unlike these Fellini-esque bits here.
Totally freaked me out and I came home really alarmed for everyone's souls up until the point my Mom looked at me with a raised an eyebrow and I instantly "got" that it was all bullshit. Whew!

487 BadShot  Sun, May 17, 2009 10:25:35am

re: #486 Claire

close call...God bless Mom.

488 Cato the Elder  Sun, May 17, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #466 herbieham

Simple stuff for simple souls. Whatever suits you, Simon.

489 MohawkDaddy  Sun, May 17, 2009 12:57:07pm

I zoned out around 1:30. It may be weird but he's not telling anyone to blow themselves up is he?

490 odorlesspaintthinner  Sun, May 17, 2009 3:19:06pm

"Nightmare"-giving "dwarf," "midget," "Munchkin Lady."

She sang with joy. What's wrong with that? Disabilities give this crowd the creeps?

491 Canoe Train  Sun, May 17, 2009 3:52:21pm

re: #490 odorlesspaintthinner

Not at all. I think what bothered me was the exploitation of the small woman, as well as the exploitation of her faith.

492 jskern  Sun, May 17, 2009 4:22:55pm

re: #484 Charles

I believe it didn’t occur to you that this video could possibly offend anyone. It’s just this blind-spot of yours that concerns those of us who love what you’re doing and have done here at LGF in warning the world about the dangers of Islam, etc.; those of us who also happen to be fundamentalist Christians. We are sensitive to the (I’m sorry) anti-Biblical bigotry behind your decision to post this video because it is our creed that is being presented in such a technically crude and hokey manor that it couldn’t fail to elicit derision and mockery in a modern, mostly unsympathetic audience. I doubt you would post an embarrassing, dated film that held Hasidic Jews and their beliefs up to similar ridicule; no matter how much of an “oddity” you found it.

Sometimes saying, “Lighten up, it’s just a joke,” really does betray the joker’s prejudice.

493 David IV of Georgia  Sun, May 17, 2009 5:22:08pm

Perhaps the good reverend should peruse and ponder this scripture verse: "...no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20

494 Beholden  Sun, May 17, 2009 5:30:42pm

I was trying to recall where I had heard this before... Then it hit me...

Pass Me By

495 Beholden  Sun, May 17, 2009 5:33:03pm

re: #494 Beholden

I was trying to recall where I had heard this before... Then it hit me...

Pass Me By

I forgot - Some of the lyrics are a bit risque, so be careful in mixed company.

496 David IV of Georgia  Sun, May 17, 2009 6:05:33pm

re: #368 realwest

Hey irongrampa - I've asked this question of a protestant minister (Lutheran) a Roman Catholic Priest and a Rabbi (Reform I think): if as the bible tells us, God is omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent, then why does he allow War and famine and illiteracy?
Interestingly enough, I got pretty much the SAME ANSWER from each of them: God works in mysterious and Wondrous Ways.

Apparently these priests and rabbis either flunked their theology classes or had bad teachers.

God is omniscient, omnipresent and all-powerful. God's power is limited by Himself—He will not do anything bad or absurd. He created the world (if you are willing to accept the Bible's account at least as symbolic of what happened) without death or sickness or pain or suffering or storms or earthquakes or any other bad or wicked thing. God created the angels and man with the power to love and be good or not. He did this so that we could love and help, not as automatons blindly obeying some instinct or fate, but as true individuals who are freely able to choose our destiny. He wanted us all to be able to love freely by our own choice, not because someone was pushing our buttons. Lucifer, or Satan, chose a way that was less than good—he was the first to discover evil, the absence of good. God never created evil. Evil is a non-thing. Just as darkness is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good. Satan tricked the first humans into choosing evil or sin. These humans allowed this chaotic force to enter our world and upset the balance of things. We instinctively are repulsed by sickness and death because they are in fact unnatural. For this season, God does sometimes direct the corrosive nature of evil to accomplish His good will. God does not end evil because the only way to end it is to crush the will of all beings with free will—suddenly we would be no more able to love or do good than a blade of grass. There will be a day when God removes from us the absence of life, death, and separates those who favor the treacherous enthralling pleasures of evil from those who choose true love and goodness. Those who choose evil are choosing to endure a hell of their own making—continually desiring that which sickens, kills, diminishes and destroys them without being able to die. Those who choose love and goodness will continually be reinforcing the life given them by God until they themselves are almost gods themselves—the caveat is that they must continue to be good and loving to have such power.

497 mspfacs  Sun, May 17, 2009 6:27:34pm

re: #484 Charles

Gotta love it. There are actually some people who think that posting this video "proves" I must be an atheist.

Believe it or not, when I posted this it didn't even occur to me that anyone could possibly be offended, or take it personally. It's exactly what I wrote above -- an oddity. How can someone look at this video and think, "Charles is making fun of ME!?"

And we even have at least one person who says we're doomed to hell, and the video was just showing the truth.

Good grief.

I actually enjoyed it and found it light and entertaining as well as the commentary

498 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 17, 2009 6:33:17pm

re: #492 jskern

I doubt you would post an embarrassing, dated film that held Hasidic Jews and their beliefs up to similar ridicule; no matter how much of an “oddity” you found it.

You have no idea how much you reveal about yourself with that comment.

499 David IV of Georgia  Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:40pm

re: #498 Charles

You have no idea how much you reveal about yourself with that comment.

Like enduring an uncle who insists on wearing a lemon-orange plaid leisure suit, so we Christians endure the eccentrics among us. And just as some family members would say we are disloyal and betraying the family by shunning the uncle, there are Christians who think that critiquing another Christian is some sort of betrayal or apostasy.

Funny video Charles.

I was listening to my car radio in Kentucky when some radio evangelist began talking about how Paul the Apostle (circa 70 A.D.) wrote the Bible in King James English (1611 A.D.). I laughed so hard I nearly wrecked my car.

500 jskern  Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:09pm

re: #498 Charles

Oh, Charles, please--you know I only used Hasidic Jews as an example because your deep respect for Jews & Judaism stands in contradistinction to the unconscious lack of respect for Christians & Biblical Christianity that I think your choice of this video displays. You know, from my few posts & recent email that I am the farthest thing from an anti-Semite. My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob; My Messiah is the Messiah of the Tanak; My reverence for Judaism & the Jewish people knows no bounds. I am a Gentile believer in Yeshua HaMashiac. Your comment seems a churlish attempt at deflecting my heartfelt criticism--a criticism I did not relesh making, btw; in fact, I'm deeply saddened by the conclusion I was led to.

I'm sorry if I was disrepectful.

501 coquimbojoe  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:07:52pm

re: #500 jskern

Oh, Charles, please--you know I only used Hasidic Jews as an example because your deep respect for Jews & Judaism stands in contradistinction to the unconscious lack of respect for Christians & Biblical Christianity that I think your choice of this video displays. You know, from my few posts & recent email that I am the farthest thing from an anti-Semite. My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob; My Messiah is the Messiah of the Tanak; My reverence for Judaism & the Jewish people knows no bounds. I am a Gentile believer in Yeshua HaMashiac. Your comment seems a churlish attempt at deflecting my heartfelt criticism--a criticism I did not relesh making, btw; in fact, I'm deeply saddened by the conclusion I was led to.

I'm sorry if I was disrepectful.

As a very conservative Christian, I don't think Charles disrespects Christianity at all. He and I would differ on its place in the body politic, neither of us can stand false science as faith promotion in the schools or anywhere, or ill informed jackasses like Estus Prickle. That man was making things (s%*t) up. Heaven forbid that is the afterlife I am working for.

502 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:09:38pm

re: #500 jskern

Your comment seems a churlish attempt at deflecting my heartfelt criticism--a criticism I did not relesh making, btw; in fact, I'm deeply saddened by the conclusion I was led to.

Somehow, I'll find a way to carry on, despite your deep sadness that I posted this video.

503 jskern  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:49:10pm

re: #502 Charles

Somehow, I'll find a way to carry on, despite your deep sadness that I posted this video.

Glad you're bearing up under my onslaught, but you're still misreading my comments. I'm not saddened by your posting the video; I'm saddened by the conclusion that you're blind to the animus you have to Fundamentalist Christians which allowed you to post this video and be oblivious to the possibility that you’d be holding them up to ridicule and scorn. As you said:

…when I posted this [video] it didn’t occur to me that anyone could possibly be offended, or take it personally.

I took you at your word, but it seemed very naïve for that not to occur to you. You are not a naïve person, so it seems inescapable that you are atypically insensitive to feelings of this group of people. It is usually a very strong dislike of a particular group that makes an otherwise reasonably empathetic person so insensitive to the feelings of the members of that group.

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I think it was a fair comment.

But, again, if I was disrespectful to you (as your implication that I am an anti-Semite suggests), then I apologize to you unreservedly.

504 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 17, 2009 8:58:39pm
505 jskern  Sun, May 17, 2009 9:10:39pm

re: #501 coquimbojoe

Unsure whether you mean you are a conservative who is a Christian or your Christianity is conservative, but either way I find it hard to reconcile your avowed belief in Jesus with your comment that Mr Prickle is an ill-informed jackass. His exegesis might be in question, and his mathematics weak, but his presentation of the New Jerusalem & Heaven is earnestly given and entirely consistent with many orthodox views of his day. Posting this video could not help but evoke derision for the subject of the video (Christ's view of Heaven), the beliefs of the filmmakers (Christianity) and for the participants themselves (fellow Christians). Where do you find in the Word that mockery and scorn equate to anything other than "disrespect" (not to mention hate)?

506 Sharmuta  Sun, May 17, 2009 9:19:44pm

re: #505 jskern

I've been watching this, and I just have to say that I think it's you prejudice that has made you view this thread as insulting. You want to be offended. Our host has already said it wasn't his intent, but you're insisting that it was, as though you're a mind reader. I doubt that. Anyways- you're basically calling your host a liar. That's not too nice.

507 jskern  Mon, May 18, 2009 1:00:29am

re: #506 Sharmuta

I've been watching this, and I just have to say that I think it's you prejudice that has made you view this thread as insulting. You want to be offended. Our host has already said it wasn't his intent, but you're insisting that it was, as though you're a mind reader. I doubt that. Anyways- you're basically calling your host a liar. That's not too nice.

You’re ascribing a motivation to me that does not exist; I'm not offended, I don't see this thread as insulting.

As well, I did not call Charles a liar or disagree with him (except when he implied I was an anti-Semite). In fact, I said twice that I believed Charles when he said it did not occur to him that anyone would be offended by this video. My point was simply that, to me, it was telling that it never occurred to him because it seems so obvious that it would insult people who believed in the same things represented so poorly in the film. (btw, Charles has not replied to this point at all, but has preferred instead to denigrate me, uhm, for having feelings or something, I guess.)

Also, I twice apologised to “our host” if my comments were disrespectful. I cannot see where they are, but judging from Charles’ ad hominem response, I thought it prudent to apologize in order to allay any misgivings he had as to my motives for commenting.

However, now that you too have cast another unfounded accusation of prejudice at me, I can see that my intentions have indeed been misconstrued. I genuinely regard that as a pity.

So, finally, and again for the record: I am not personally offended by this video. I do not think this thread is insulting. I do not think Charles lied. I do think his dislike for Fundamentalist Christians makes him insensitive to their feelings in a way that is most atypical for him.

I’m not a mind-reader; and neither are you and Charles.

Shalom in Y’shua.

508 jskern  Mon, May 18, 2009 1:22:37am

re: #504 Charles


Uhm? Well said...?

509 Fierce Guppy  Mon, May 18, 2009 2:50:39am

re: #508 jskern

Uhm? Well said...?

Oh... Then you don't know about his blind-spot when it comes to offending people who worship lab assistants?

You must be new here.

Tony.

510 jskern  Mon, May 18, 2009 5:23:48pm

re: #509 Fierce Guppy

Oh... Then you don't know about his blind-spot when it comes to offending people who worship lab assistants?

You must be new here.

Tony.

Not new, but I admit to having no idea what you're referring to...perhaps you could explain? Of course, if it was just a random remark to indicate to everyone that you're "on side" and against the ignorant troll who appears to be arguing with Charles, don't bother, Tony; more ill-considered tangents we don't need & Sharmuta's way ahead of you....

511 Fierce Guppy  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:18:20am

Let me make it clear. There is ~nothing~ in either video clip that could offend a sane individual, and I mean that with all sincerity. The blind-spot is your own if you can see the absurdity that is Beaker, yet not see the absurdity that is Estus Pirkle. Both talk gobble-dee-gook in a fashion that in both highly bizarre and decidedly entertaining. The surreal 70s production quality, the stern looks, the garmets, and the gobble-dee-gook as sold by a creepy Estus Pirkle makes the first video highly entertaining. Beaker singing a very passionate and heartfelt ballad in the only way Beaker can, makes the second video highly entertaining.

They're both nuts.

Tony.

512 jskern  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:53pm

re: #511 Fierce Guppy

I do see the absurdity of both videos--they are both funny. But, again, read what I wrote, I never said the video was offensive per se. What was obviously going to be offensive, I contend, was the derisive comments about, and ridicule of, the beliefs espoused in the film that would inevitably follow. It is safe to say that Charles, you and the majority of the lizards are of the opinion that belief in the Bible (in fact, all spiritual belief) is insane, so you see nothing wrong with mocking that belief, but surely you don't think fundamentalist Christians share your opinion of their mental health? There is no doubt that some would find the mocking of their deeply held beliefs offensive. And, again, it's selective ridicule; there is no way that Charles would hold the beliefs of Jewish fundamentalists up to the same ridicule, even though he clearly holds those beliefs in the same contempt as the Christians'. In my opinion, that bespeaks a blind-spot at best; a hypocritical bias at worst.

513 Fierce Guppy  Wed, May 20, 2009 1:14:05am

Perhaps you should discuss the matter with Charles or one of the many Christians on LFG. I can only assume a person's motivations based on what they've said or have written in the past. Unfortunately, Charles has displayed extremely little contempt for the irrational pap that religious people misconstrue as "spiritual". He nibbles around the edges, and this is exactly what I'd expect from any individual who ranks religious faith as having the same epistemological status as rational enquiry.

Que sera sera.

He's no Christopher Hitchens or James Randi, so don't be too concerned. The day you see me dancing in the streets is the day you should be concerned.

Tony.


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