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Open • Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:11 pm PDT • Views: 186

I believe that I’ve made good judgments in the past, and I think I’ve made good judgments in the future.

Dan Quayle

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1 solomonpanting  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:13:30pm

So Quayle is an optimist.

2 Clemente  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:13:35pm

I'll settle for a few now.

3 Wasta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:13:55pm

Nice Article by Bjorn Lomborg on Copenhagen Climate Council in WSJ

4 Wasta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:14:44pm

Oh yeah...the link

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

5 NelsFree  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:14:59pm

I'm going to start off this thread with the announcement that I'm going to bed. I bet I'll miss some lively posts, sorry. G'nite!

6 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:15:31pm

Think Joe Biden will give Quayle a run for his money?

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:18:34pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

Quayle should be so lucky, but it is possible. We still have more then three and a half years to go yet.

8 Kronocide  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:19:14pm

Quayle was actually funny. Biden... makes me cringe.

9 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:19:59pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

I think Biden would, if BO let him out once in a while.
Not likely.

10 Kronocide  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:20:27pm

This Kristofferson/Keith thing doesn't pass the smell test. If it did, Kristofferson basically chickenhawked Keith, which isn't the noblest of actions.

11 Kronocide  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:21:17pm

I suppose if it did, neither would probably want to keep it running for many reasons.

12 MrPaulRevere  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:23:05pm

I was floored to read this from Charles re. California's financial situation: "And there are apparently something like 80,000 state employees who make salaries of over $100,000 a year. It's completely out of control; public officials have been feeding at the trough in California for a long time." Un-freaking-believable.

13 ladycatnip  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:23:55pm

With all the grief Quayle got over misspelling potato, you gotta wonder how Biden gets away with gaffe and gaffe after gaffe - especially the one on the campaign trail about Roosevelt going on television to calm the American people after the 1929 crash. Is it senility?

14 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:24:45pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

Think Joe Biden will give Quayle a run for his money?

he can't: Quayle is smarter.

15 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:26:32pm

just think: we have Biden because so many people talked themselves in to believing that Palin was the dumb one.

/fools

16 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:27:32pm

Quail is gone. Biden is still with us.

17 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:28:33pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Even worse, are the retirement benefits. 70% of your working salary, for life. And it's the unions that benefit & are running the state.
SIGH.

18 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:28:48pm

re: #13 ladycatnip

With all the grief Quayle got over misspelling potato, you gotta wonder how Biden gets away with gaffe and gaffe after gaffe - especially the one on the campaign trail about Roosevelt going on television to calm the American people after the 1929 crash. Is it senility?

Yes, the MSM is senile.

19 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:29:31pm

re: #16 BatGuano

Quail is gone. Biden is still with us.

so we are biden our time while we quayle at the thought of what he will say next? his staments make Dan's palin comparison.

20 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:30:57pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

It is amazing. As I've mentioned before, I think an audit of these agencies would make our collective blood boil.

21 zombie  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:31:45pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

I was floored to read this from Charles re. California's financial situation: "And there are apparently something like 80,000 state employees who make salaries of over $100,000 a year. It's completely out of control; public officials have been feeding at the trough in California for a long time." Un-freaking-believable.

And take it from someone who knows: Most of those 80,000 people who make over $100,000/year do practically nothing at all in their jobs. They just talentless civil servants, filing their artificial nails, gossiping, undermining each other with inter-office politics. A complete bureaucratic hell.

And their benefits packages are unbelievable -- retire extremely early, get jaw-dropping retirement benefits for the rest of their lives which often rival their regular salary, total health coverage for their entire family for the rest of their lives, etc. etc.

And we pay for it all.

If we eliminated 95% of those positions, the government would run just as smoothly -- probably even more smoothly actually.

22 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:32:34pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

It is amazing. As I've mentioned before, I think an audit of these agencies would make our collective blood boil.

not if you keep you BAC high enough... %-)

23 zombie  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:32:39pm

re: #17 Floral Giraffe

Even worse, are the retirement benefits. 70% of your working salary, for life. And it's the unions that benefit & are running the state.
SIGH.

Once again I am beaten to the punch by a faster and more concise comment!

I've got to stop rambling.

24 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:34:21pm

re: #23 zombie

we've got a quick and savvy bunch here.

25 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:34:49pm

re: #24 BatGuano

we've got a quick and savvy bunch here.

and then there's the LNDT...

/white smoke

26 MrPaulRevere  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:34:57pm

re: #17 Floral Giraffe

I heard a prison guard can retire at age 55 with that pension/benefit package. Did it not occur to anyone that this is a formula for a fiscal Titanic?

27 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:35:35pm

re: #23 zombie

I am honored.
I truly enjoy your insight on Charle's blog.

28 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:36:03pm

re: #25 redc1c4

What is LNDT? I am not savvy.

29 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:36:22pm

I think government unions are a conflict of interest. They should not be permitted. Unions- funded by tax dollars- it's an outrage.

30 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:36:41pm

re: #23 zombie

Once again I am beaten to the punch by a faster and more concise comment!

I've got to stop rambling.

ramble on

31 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:37:13pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

I think government unions are a conflict of interest. They should not be permitted. Unions- funded by tax dollars- it's an outrage.

"nut, what about the poor w*rkers?"

/faux outrage

32 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:37:55pm

re: #19 redc1c4

so we are biden our time while we quayle at the thought of what he will say next? his staments make Dan's palin comparison.

do i have to keep reposting these gems to get a bite?

33 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:37:58pm

Quayle didn't run up a $1.8+ trillion dollar deficit that no other country in the world is going to help us finance. They're not stupid.

/threat or no threat?

34 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:37:59pm

re: #26 MrPaulRevere

And WHY do you think the prison guard union would care about the consequences? Or that anyone in Taxamento would look at the big picture, turn down those lobbyist lunches, or stand up to what has become (sadly) the way to do buisness in this state?

35 Pygmalienation  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:38:41pm

Whew!
Sorry to interrupt the conversation...
I very rarely dispense down-dings ( excepting 'AnneFrance', of course), but that person on the Gitmo thread was insufferable-- right out of the gate.

36 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:38:45pm

re: #34 Floral Giraffe

And WHY do you think the prison guard union would care about the consequences? Or that anyone in Taxamento would look at the big picture, turn down those lobbyist lunches, or stand up to what has become (sadly) the way to do buisness in this state?

why solve the issue when you can put it off until after you leave office?

37 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:39:27pm

re: #31 redc1c4

"nut, what about the poor w*rkers?"

/faux outrage

Wait- government bureaucrats work?

38 MrPaulRevere  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:39:56pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

I'm not a knee jerk union basher, but this is a debacle, a catastrophe. I agree empathetically on government unions.

39 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:40:27pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

Wait- government bureaucrats work?

it's hard as hell to get up and get there every morning... what else do you want from them? demands like that are why they *need* a union. %-)

40 itellu3times  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:41:25pm

Hey I thought the AI finale was the best show they've ever done, made a dull season interesting after all. And yes, I'm afraid Kris was the best winner - though I think he would benefit from some serious vocal coaching.

41 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:41:43pm

re: #36 redc1c4

It's like the whole NIMBY mind set. It's gotta go SOMEWHERE.
Either your backyard or someone elses.
People always pick someone elses.

I very much enjoy Victor Davis Hanson's perspective on the state.
He's a native Californian.

42 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:41:46pm

Is buzzsawmonkey still around? I got an idear that I want to run past him...

43 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:41:50pm

i'm hurt that no one liked my puns...

i'm taking my lightning wit and going home, so there. %-P

44 sngnsgt  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:42:02pm

re: #28 BatGuano

What is LNDT? I am not savvy.

Really? "Late night drinking thread" is what I've known it to stand for.

45 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:42:59pm

re: #43 redc1c4

I already updinged your marvelous puns.
Sheesh!

46 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:43:41pm

re: #38 MrPaulRevere

I'm not a knee jerk union basher, but this is a debacle, a catastrophe. I agree empathetically on government unions.

Likewise on my end. I think many, many unions have outlived their usefulness, but there are still a few I think are valuable. I do not, however, support mandated union workplaces. It goes against our right to freely associate.

I can see union membership for construction, law enforcement and first responders, but I fail to see how an office worker needs a union being funded by their wages which are provided by the tax payers.

47 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:43:53pm

re: #45 Floral Giraffe

I already updinged your marvelous puns.
Sheesh!

sorry: i was looking for a text response... mea culpa.

(never think to look at the dings: it seems so tawsry. %-)

48 pat  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:43:53pm

Quales Quotes actually make sense in a humorous way. Biden is imply strange.

49 Pygmalienation  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:45:37pm

re: #48 pat

Quayle is kinda like Yogi Berra all over again.

50 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:45:38pm

re: #43 redc1c4

i'm hurt that no one liked my puns...

i'm taking my lightning wit and going home, so there. %-P

I updinded you too, ya big dope! :)

51 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:46:03pm

actually going to w*rk for a few hourts tomorrow, so it's hasta la vista, baby.

enjoy tonight's fruitcup, made with real california taxes.

52 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:46:20pm

re: #47 redc1c4

Tawdry?

I just not punderfull tonight.

53 redc1c4  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:47:00pm

re: #52 Floral Giraffe

Tawdry?

I just not punderfull tonight.

tpyo... just a wee bit tried.

%-)

54 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:47:02pm

Recently had a case dealing with some computer forensics, and it would likely be shocking to see the forensics coming out of government offices. I bet we waste millions on these people's internet surfing all day.

55 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:48:17pm

re: #50 BatGuano

I updinded you too, ya big dope fat lesbian! :)

/FTFY

56 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:48:35pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

I'm not sure I see the value of any unions in this day. Possibly for construction workers, but wasn't the point of the union to protect the workers from harmfull practices of the employer?

57 MrPaulRevere  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:48:36pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

I've been trying to avoid knee jerking generally speaking. But in the case of the unions I might consider going back to it. There is no amount of spin that can paper over this debacle, and blame must be assigned.

58 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:50:36pm

re: #44 sngnsgt

Really? "Late night drinking thread" is what I've known it to stand for.

Aarrgh! I was trying to decide between:

Let's Not Discuss That
and
Lizard Needs Dick Tonight

(Obviously, the second was just wishful thinking on my part...)

59 hazzyday  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:50:46pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

I was floored to read this from Charles re. California's financial situation: "And there are apparently something like 80,000 state employees who make salaries of over $100,000 a year. It's completely out of control; public officials have been feeding at the trough in California for a long time." Un-freaking-believable.

There is probably no reason for any state or local employee to make over $100,000 a year. There is a lot of competition for the jobs. And again they could close the government on Friday and no one would know the difference. The same amount of work would get done. People would use the internet.

For California though. They could benefit from Special options.

Maybe knock down all bridges leading into San Francisco and give (not sell) the city to China as a city state.

Let Disneyland run Los Angeles.

Contract with Tijuana for all San Diego health care and social services.

Declare pot legal in Humbolt county for anyone with a background in the entertainment industry.

60 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:50:49pm

re: #55 Killian Bundy

/FTFY

Thank you... Kilgore!

61 Throbert McGee  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:51:49pm

re: #51 redc1c4

actually going to w*rk for a few hourts tomorrow, so it's hasta la vista, baby.

enjoy tonight's fruitcup, made with real california taxes.

I do *not* have a job lined up for tomorrow, so I'm here till fruitcup time, probably.

62 MarineMomSue  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:52:15pm

re: #43 redc1c4

i'm hurt that no one liked my puns...

i'm taking my lightning wit and going home, so there. %-P

Now, now there Red, don't be upset. I think you are very punny.

63 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:52:44pm

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

I'm not sure I see the value of any unions in this day. Possibly for construction workers, but wasn't the point of the union to protect the workers from harmfull practices of the employer?

In this day and age, it's difficult for employers to screw over their workers like in the days of old. I would think there are enough laws and regulations that most employer abuses are not stopped by unions, but the law. This leaves wages ass the only issue for unions to deal with, and inflated wagess leadss to inflated prices- and that hurt all of us.

64 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:52:44pm

re: #60 BatGuano

Thank you... Kilgore!

/ask me about my indoor rotting kumquats

65 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:52:58pm

re: #58 Throbert McGee

LOL

66 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:53:48pm

re: #61 Throbert McGee

It's always nice to have you around. (Don't forget to ding the fruitcup)

67 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:55:48pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

And inflation, is something we have more than enough of in Ca.!

68 MrPaulRevere  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:57:15pm

From the Huffington Post politics frontpage: Obama Sides With Bush Against Valerie Plame. It has 1545 comments already. Don't mess with St. Valerie! [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

69 Sharmuta  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:57:30pm

re: #57 MrPaulRevere

I've been trying to avoid knee jerking generally speaking. But in the case of the unions I might consider going back to it. There is no amount of spin that can paper over this debacle, and blame must be assigned.

Read The Conscience of a Conservative, and the thought of unions will really piss you off after that.

70 BatGuano  Wed, May 20, 2009 11:57:36pm

re: #64 Killian Bundy

/ask me about my indoor rotting kumquats

I'll pass on that.

71 freetoken  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:00:10am

re: #28 BatGuano

What is LNDT?

It's the Luscious, Naughty, and Delicious Thread.

/

72 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:00:27am

re: #70 BatGuano

I'll pass on that.

2 weeks ago I found something rotting in my refrigerator. It wasn't pretty.

73 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:01:05am

re: #68 MrPaulRevere

From the Huffington Post politics frontpage: Obama Sides With Bush Against Valerie Plame. It has 1545 comments already. Don't mess with St. Valerie! [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Amusing there. It just goes to show most huffpos are clueless as how to run a country. But they can fill their gastanks up with rainbows.

74 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:01:53am

re: #69 Sharmuta

I got it, based on your recommendation. Haven't had a chance to start it, yet. ( Too much time on LGF, maybe?)

75 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:01:59am

re: #69 Sharmuta

I read that when I was 16 and kind of libbish, if you will. I thought of it as doing opposition research. I'll reorder it at Borders, if the clerk with green hair is cooperative.

76 zombie  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:02:21am

re: #40 itellu3times

Hey I thought the AI finale was the best show they've ever done, made a dull season interesting after all. And yes, I'm afraid Kris was the best winner - though I think he would benefit from some serious vocal coaching.

It was a good show, but Adam Lambert is a way better singer than Kris Allen. Neither was my favorite (Alison was), but of the two, I'd have voted for Lambert. Kris seems like a nice enough person, but he's kind of forgettable. I predict that Lambert will sell more records even though he "lost."

77 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:03:03am

re: #71 freetoken

It's the Luscious, Naughty, and Delicious Thread.

/

As Ralph Kramden would say, "Hommina, Hommina..."

78 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:03:31am

re: #71 freetoken

Silicone, ick!

79 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:04:29am

re: #76 zombie

Whatever happened to Rueben Studdard? The dude had real talent.

80 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:04:58am

re: #78 Floral Giraffe

Silicone, ick!

No problem. I live in silicone valley.

81 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:05:45am

re: #74 Floral Giraffe

Cool! It's not too long, so once you start, it will go quickly.

re: #75 MrPaulRevere

Cool! I think you'll enjoy reading it again. Goldwater is The Man.

82 zombie  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:06:06am

re: #79 MrPaulRevere

Whatever happened to Rueben Studdard? The dude had real talent.

Perfect example. He won first place over Clay Aiken -- but Aiken went on to become much more famous of the two.

I think Reuben Studdard is still around -- it's just that nobody buys his stuff anymore.

83 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:07:08am

re: #73 hazzyday

I was only half joking with the St. Valerie quip. Leftists actually revere her and her old man as some sort of heroes.

84 freetoken  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:07:51am

re: #78 Floral Giraffe

Silicone, ick!

Tend to agree with you there. Once upon a time Kana did not have the implants... she was even prettier then, IMO.

85 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:07:58am

re: #79 MrPaulRevere

The only idols to really make it are Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood.

Some of the rejects have done well for themselves. Jennifer Hudson top among them.

86 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:09:54am

re: #85 Sharmuta

David Cook lives nearby. I mean good luck to him and all that, but I was underwhelmed to be polite.

87 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:11:10am

re: #86 MrPaulRevere

I haven't watched the show since Underwood won. And I'm no fan of modern country music, but that girl can sing.

88 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:13:11am

re: #71 freetoken

It's the Luscious, Naughty, and Delicious Thread.

/

BOOBIE Thread :)

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

89 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:14:03am

re: #88 Erik The Red

Hey, Eric.

90 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:14:41am

re: #88 Erik The Red

BOOBIE Thread :)

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

This week on LOST... nothing, season five has concluded... :)

Hi Erik, I got up to take a piss and ran into you.

91 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:14:42am

re: #88 Erik The Red

Hi Eric, they're silicone...

92 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:14:48am

Speaking of books, I was cleaning my closet the other day and found a copy of: Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help by Mona Charen. While I don't agree with all of her diagnoses and conclusions, its a fascinating read. [Link: www.amazon.com...]

93 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:15:10am

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

TMI

94 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:16:44am

re: #91 Floral Giraffe

Hi Eric, they're silicone...

I know. Now ask me if I care? :)

95 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:18:48am

Thiss was when Carrie Underwood won me over

96 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:18:58am

Damn S key.

97 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:19:46am

re: #96 Sharmuta

I noticed it earlier, but refrained from comment.

98 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:21:10am

More Carrie Underwood from AI

99 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:26:21am

re: #98 Sharmuta

Lovely young lady, she has it all. The complete package.

100 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:26:32am

re: #94 Erik The Red

'K! Do you care?

101 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:28:07am

re: #100 Floral Giraffe

'K! Do you care?

LOL.

102 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:29:13am

re: #97 MrPaulRevere

I noticed it earlier, but refrained from comment.

Well, yeah. That one said "ass". lol

103 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:32:45am

re: #99 MrPaulRevere

Lovely young lady, she has it all. The complete package.

And she's down to earth. Seems like a real sweetheart.

104 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:32:48am

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

This week on LOST... nothing, season five has concluded... :)

Hi Erik, I got up to take a piss and ran into you.

FAT LESBIAN!

/going to run for a while

105 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:37:53am

re: #104 Killian Bundy

FAT LESBIAN!

/going to run for a while

I said I had dropped that issue, and I have, nice try, didn't work... Love... Wally.

106 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:38:51am

Now that I'm on a Pretenders kick...

107 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:39:06am

It occurred to me today that Obama pissed off a lot swing voters with his excessive credit card reform bill today. A LOT of them. When you mess with folks personal finances they pay attention like a laser beam.

108 notutopia  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:41:11am

Speaking of gaffe's...Quayle isn't the best of the worst.


New Book release June 2nd
Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Is the LGF system being tweaked? It is running very very slow this early morning. Anyone else having difficulties with posting?

109 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:41:58am

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

I said I had dropped that issue, and I have, nice try, didn't work... Love... Wally.

Fair enough.

/mow five lawns as penance

110 MrPaulRevere  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:42:33am

re: #106 Sharmuta

The story of the Pretenders is a sad one, they were decimated by drug abuse but managed to carry on in any event.

111 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:48:26am

Sleepy time.
G'night, late night peeps.
Chirp sharply!

112 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:50:00am

re: #111 Floral Giraffe

Good night, Floral.

113 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:51:38am

re: #110 MrPaulRevere

The story of the Pretenders is a sad one, they were decimated by drug abuse but managed to carry on in any event.

One night, while playing in league darts (Cricket), My City Was Gone came across the sound system. My partner and I cleared the board in 5. I will never forget it.

114 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 12:58:13am

More Pretenders

115 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:01:24am
116 haakondahl  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:09:03am

I think Sharmuta iss Gollum's ssock puppetsss.

117 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:13:06am

Sharm, have you seen the Israeli song at Eurovision? What do you think of it?

118 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:13:08am

Anybody heard of Gene Krupa? He played drums.

119 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:13:44am

I mean this

120 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:16:27am

So Dan Quayle had a time machine?

121 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:21:50am

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

So Dan Quayle had a time machine?

He had one. Now Obama's got it. We're back to the divine right of kings.

122 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:21:58am

re: #119 Abu Lahab

I mean this

That's the first I've seen the song, but I heard about the two ladies. I liked it.

123 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:22:27am

re: #116 haakondahl

I think Sharmuta iss Gollum's ssock puppetsss.

Falssse, Preciousss. ;)

124 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:27:19am

re: #122 Sharmuta

The Arab singer was threated and called a traitor and she lost her "audience". Plus she will be banned from entering many Arab countries, which I don't think she is so upset about.

125 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:29:37am

This is another performance on Israeli TV, I like this one.

126 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:30:14am

re: #124 Abu Lahab

The Arab singer was threated and called a traitor and she lost her "audience". Plus she will be banned from entering many Arab countries, which I don't think she is so upset about.

What Arab country would she want to enter?

127 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:38:23am

re: #126 BatGuano

Saudi maybe? Yemen?
I can not tell.
///

128 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:40:13am

re: #127 Abu Lahab

Saudi maybe? Yemen?
I can not tell.
///

I would guess none. :)

129 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:42:40am

re: #84 freetoken

I remember when I was in the Army, there was a very well-endowed Jamaican female NCO who was worked finance/payroll. One of my buddies in his not-so-roundabout manner began implying that they were implants. She overheard this and snapped in that lilting Caribbean accent "Lemme tell you sumthin'! When I was nine, me granny had to walk three villages over in the isle to see a dentist for a chipped tooth. I grew up in the same village...if me granny had such a hard time finding a dentist, what makes ya think I'd have an easier time getting impants!?"

130 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:51:08am
131 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:53:59am
132 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 1:59:32am

re: #131 Abu Lahab

Isn't Mickey Mouse older than 62? They had to have used more than one voice-actor.

/CSI: Disney

133 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:00:05am

re: #131 Abu Lahab

The original voice of Mickey Mouse died in 1967. His name was Walt Disney.

134 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:00:23am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

135 Abu Lahab  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:00:39am

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

Yes, the article says

He was the third person to voice Mickey - following Walt Disney himself and Jimmy MacDonald
136 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:01:21am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Thank you, littleoldlady!

137 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:01:52am

Sharmuta! :-)

138 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:02:29am

Morning Lizards.

139 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:02:38am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you littleoldlady. You woke up some lizards.

140 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:03:00am

re: #137 littleoldlady

Sharmuta! :-)

Morning, rightside.

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:03:11am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Twenty-three seconds late? I wanna refund!

/whaddaya mean it's "complimentary"?

142 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:03:37am

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

/CSI: Disney

Kind of like Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

143 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:03:40am

re: #140 BatGuano

hi BG

144 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:04:32am

BatGuano! :-)

If only it would work on ME :-/

Slumbering! :-)

Shaddup and eat your pig...

;-)

145 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:04:46am

re: #134 littleoldlady


Yay! Enough of this pruno...

146 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:04:59am

rightside! :-)

147 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:05:41am

re: #146 littleoldlady

lol!

148 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:06:32am

Fenway! :-)

149 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:07:07am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

{lol} Good Morning and Thanks for fruitcup

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:07:21am

re: #144 littleoldlady

What? She and I split up several years...
/Oh! Never mind.

151 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:07:29am

re: #138 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Morning rs.

152 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:08:21am

Erik! :-)

153 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:10:28am

re: #151 Erik The Red

Morning Erik.

154 BatGuano  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:12:45am

Good night, all.

155 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:14:56am

re: #154 BatGuano

goodnight BG

156 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:15:03am

'Night, BatGuano! :-)

157 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:22:56am

re: #154 BatGuano

Good night, all.

Night Bat.

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:23:43am

re: #156 littleoldlady

G'nite {LoL}, g'nite Lizards. Catch y'all later.

159 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:24:32am

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

G'nite {LoL}, g'nite Lizards. Catch y'all later.

Night SB.

160 haakondahl  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:24:53am

OR is ouor official song parody writer, right?

161 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:28:01am

'Night, Slumbering! :-)

re: #160 haakondahl

haakon! :-)

Buzzsawmonkey, I think.

162 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:31:27am

re: #160 haakondahl

OR is our official Adriana Lima-phile.

163 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:33:03am

re: #162 Sharmuta

Oooh! Do I get an official title?

164 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:34:35am

Prunella of Boston?

/he's not going to get that
//Sharmuta will...

165 haakondahl  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:40:21am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation

Oooh! Do I get an official title?

Fluffer.

166 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:53:55am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation

Oooh! Do I get an official title?

You want to head up CSI: Disney?

167 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:57:00am

re: #166 Sharmuta

CSI: Disneyworld or the spinoff CSI: Disneyland?

168 soxfan4life  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:58:06am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation

How about those Red Sox.

169 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 2:58:19am

There's also a position available at CSI: Alderaan. I'd start that investigation by looking into that small moon...

170 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:00:15am

re: #168 soxfan4life

How 'bout 'em? Now we don't have to worry about NESN interrupting all those Sox games with Bruins playoff coverage.

171 Throbert McGee  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:01:35am

re: #66 Sharmuta

It's always nice to have you around. (Don't forget to ding the fruitcup)

Ah... I didn't know that was a tradition.

172 soxfan4life  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:01:43am

re: #170 Fenway_Nation

Do you think Ortiz is going to get on a roll now?

173 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:04:30am

re: #171 Throbert McGee

If we don't ding it- how would littleoldlady know how much fruit to buy?

174 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:04:39am

re: #172 soxfan4life

Now that he's off the schnide, I'd like to think so.

'Tek was looking just as bad- if not worse- last year.

175 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:06:41am

re: #173 Sharmuta

If we don't ding it- how would littleoldlady know how much fruit to buy?

So THAT'S why!

;-)

176 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:07:03am

re: #173 Sharmuta

If we don't ding it- how would littleoldlady know how much fruit to buy?

I bet she had to go to the store 50 times on her birthday :)

177 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:08:54am

If you don't ding the fruitcup littleoldlady would have no karma whatsoever.

/that would be bad
;-)

178 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:08:59am

re: #175 littleoldlady

I don't pimp for my own karma, but I will pimp for yours. DING THE FRUITCUP!

179 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:09:00am

re: #173 Sharmuta

But the Fruitcupitron 3000 is perfectly capable of making the complex calcualtions required to-

Ooop...solar-powered battery's out of juice. Did I mention that the Fruitcupitron 3000 is equipped with the latest green technology innovations?

180 soxfan4life  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:09:04am

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

Now that he's off the schnide, I'd like to think so.

'Tek was looking just as bad- if not worse- last year.


Tek was going through a divorce, is something like that happening to Papi? That was what plagued Keith Foulke his last year in Boston too.

181 Throbert McGee  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:09:14am

re: #165 haakondahl

Fluffer.

Pssst --- this job has nothing whatsoever to do with pillows, '80s hairstyles, or peanut-butter-and-marshmallow sandwiches!

Trust me, I found out the hard not-easy way.

182 Throbert McGee  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:09:49am

re: #173 Sharmuta

If we don't ding it- how would littleoldlady know how much fruit to buy?

Good point!

183 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:10:49am

re: #178 Sharmuta

YOU don't need it! ME, I'm karma-challenged...

{Sharmuta!}

184 UncleRancher  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:13:26am

Good morning lol, any fruitcup left?

185 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:13:53am

re: #180 soxfan4life

Not that I know of...

But now that you mention it, what's the status of Papelbon's marriage? Some of those saves last month were alot more adventurous than neccecary.

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:14:42am

re: #178 Sharmuta

Don't you sleep, dear?

187 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:14:43am

UncleRancher! :-)

PuT tHe kArmA iN a pLaIn bRowN pAPer bAg...

/and no one gets hurt!

;-)

188 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:15:16am

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I already told you I'm an android.

189 UncleRancher  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:16:34am

re: #187 littleoldlady

UncleRancher! :-)

PuT tHe kArmA iN a pLaIn bRowN pAPer bAg...

/and no one gets hurt!

;-)


Okokokok... Here y' go. *ding*

190 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:16:37am

re: #188 Sharmuta


Smurfs meets Blade Runner.

191 Throbert McGee  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:17:49am

re: #179 Fenway_Nation

But the Fruitcupitron 3000 is perfectly capable of making the complex calculations required to-

Thrilling Fruitcupitron 3000 Sound FX!

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:17:54am

re: #188 Sharmuta

Oh yeah...

193 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:21:38am

morning all

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:23:09am

Hey Jewels!

195 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:24:16am

Jewels! :-)

196 littleoldlady  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:28:36am

ACK!

Good day, ALL!™

197 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:29:36am

re: #196 littleoldlady

ACK!

Good day, ALL!™

Bye lol. Have a great day.

198 UncleRancher  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:30:39am

re: #196 littleoldlady

ACK!

Good day, ALL!™

Catcha farther up the creek.

199 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:32:57am

Any one read on the SacBee mess?

here's the editorial they currently have
[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

but here's the text of the original, you'll need to scroll a bit
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Legacy media cannot die fast enough for me

200 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:43:24am

Tell my Tale to those who Ask...The good Deeds along with the ill, and let me be judged accordingly. The Rest...Is Silence

201 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:48:36am

Good Morning LGF.

202 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:50:36am

kitten break

[Link: www.dailykitten.com...]

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:50:49am

re: #201 Spare O'Lake

Hi.

204 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:52:20am

6 hours of sleep in 2 days, oy vey.

Sleepy good morning, lizards.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:54:11am

re: #204 rhino2

Perhaps if you slept more, you'd get more sleep.

206 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:54:55am

Rhino

Ouch

207 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:56:22am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's deep on a level I would have never realized without this sleep deprivation, thanks FBV.

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:56:50am

re: #207 rhino2

I do my best.

209 Annar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:58:04am

He need not concern himself for his future past mistakes since his legacy has been carried out for tomorrow and beyond by the pompous fool who is currently VP.
/sarc

210 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:11:42am

A tragic loss for the porno industry! I suggest they look in Sandy Berger's pants
National Archives lose hard drive containing Clinton Era Records

211 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:12am

re: #210 Desert Dog

A tragic loss for the porno industry! I suggest they look in Sandy Berger's pants
National Archives lose hard drive containing Clinton Era Records

I was just gonna post exactly the same thing. Including a suggestion to look into Sandy Berger's whereabouts just prior to the drive's disappearance.

212 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:15:49am

For that ultimate Sponge Bob Square Pants experience, may I suggest:

Sharp unveils 108" LCD TV

213 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:16:52am

Morning everyone! Looks like better halfs favorite nephew is coming to visit today... ought to be fun

214 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:18:16am

re: #212 Desert Dog

For that ultimate Sponge Bob Square Pants experience, may I suggest:

Sharp unveils 108" LCD TV

Why anyone would buy that and not a top-of-the-line projector/screen, I'll never know.

215 lazardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:18:30am

re: #212 Desert Dog

I WANT IT FOR MY BOAT.

/ B)

216 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:19:19am

Emergency Broadcast System

217 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:19:23am

re: #214 rhino2

Why anyone would buy that and not a top-of-the-line projector/screen, I'll never know.

$185,000? $150,000? They are not going to sell too many of those.

218 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:23:28am

Good morning.

Look for the market to drop at the open in reaction to the credit card legislation of yesterday.

Upshot is, credit cards are going to become much more expensive for everyone. Those with the ready cash to pay for things with a debit card or cash will, and the banks will have a shrinking credit card market, so then they will have to keep raising fees on the remaining customers.

That means a lot of investors are going to take some chips off the table today.

In other news, Calfornia is going bankrupt and I figure it's just a matter of time until we bail them out some more. There are too many Democratic voters in California for Obama not do bail them out.

219 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:24:45am

The suspect was last seen headed towards the all you can eat buffet
Iowa man charged after allegedly eating bag of pot

220 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:27:05am

re: #218 3 wood

Is California too big to fail?

Every time I hear the line "too big to fail", I get a sharp pain in the wallet. Will Obama bailout Cal-i-for-nia and then make Arnold step down? Where does this madness end?

221 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:27:30am

The fact that the alleged anti-Semitic, Bronx-bombing, jihadist, conspiratorial, WMD-plotters are members of a prominent visible minority is prejudicial and inflammatory, and this fact should therefore, in fairness and correctness be suppressed by the MSM instead of being so prominently and casually highlighted in the media coverage.
/

222 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:31:44am

Further developments in Chicago murder's:
Body Found on Illinois River Shore Prompts Speculation

CHANNAHON, Ill. — A cleaning crew in suburban Chicago found a badly decomposed human body on the shores of the Des Plaines River on Wednesday, prompting speculation the remains were related to one of a couple of long-running, high-profile missing persons cases in the area.

Illinois State Police Sgt. Tom Burek confirmed the remains were human, but declined to say if the body was male or female. The Will County coroner will perform an autopsy on Thursday morning.

Burek said he would not speculate about whether the remains belong to Stacy Peterson or Lisa Stebic, two missing Will County women who disappeared in 2007 and whose cases have garnered national attention.


Peterson's husband, Drew Peterson, is scheduled to appear in court Thursday on charges he killed his third wife, Kathleen Savio, in 2004.

Savio's death, originally ruled an accidental drowning, was reclassified as a homicide after her body was exhumed and an autopsy conducted following Stacy Peterson's disappearance in October 2007.

Drew Peterson, being held at the Will County Jail on $20 million bail, has maintained he believes Stacy Peterson left him for another man and is most likely living outside Illinois.


In even further developments, it was reported on WLS radio this morning that a big blue plastic barrel was found in the river about a mile downstream from this body. Drew Peterson was seen removing a big blue barrel from his house the night Stacy Peterson vanished. His cell phone was pinged that night near the Cal-Sag channel, and the Cal-Sag feeds into the Des Plaines River.

Lot's of things have to have happened for this to be the remains of Stacy Peterson, but there has been a lot of flooding lately that could have disloged a sunken barrel and got things going. I know that area though, and there is a marina real close that uses blue barrel to float the docks, so this found blue barrel could be from there.

Whoever it is, may their soul rest in peace.

223 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:32:47am

re: #220 Desert Dog

Every time I hear the line "too big to fail", I get a sharp pain in the wallet. Will Obama bailout Cal-i-for-nia and then make Arnold step down? Where does this madness end?

It will end with total socialism by Obama, or the public forcing the politicians to stop with the maddness.

224 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:37:17am

re: #223 3 wood

It will end with total socialism by Obama, or the public forcing the politicians to stop with the maddness.

Who will bail the USA out once we exhaust all of our credit, spend our great-great grandkids future and the dollar starts to slide towards "Mugabesque levels"?

How can Obama's rating hold at 60% favorable? There has to be a point where all of this idiocy catches up with him. We are heading off a cliff and most people do not see it?

225 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:37:50am

Good Morning Lizards ...

No rain! yeah! sun is shining ... listening to joni ... a case of you ...

gotta work ... ya'll have a great day! ...

226 haakondahl  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:38:23am

re: #190 Fenway_Nation

Smurfs meets Blade Runner.

Blade Smurfer.

227 Throbert McGee  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:40:22am

This just in: Gay "journalist" Michelangelo Signorile twitters:


Lambert losing is the Christianists' revenge re: Prejean and Perez.

[Note to other non-TV-watchers: This refers to the latest American Idol outcome.]

228 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:51am

Good morning all. Anything interesting happen yesterday?

229 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:44:07am

Palestinian sources said the Palestinian Authority would only be willing to relinquish Palestinian sovereignty over the Temple Mount as part of a final-status agreement in exchange for Islamic sovereignty over the site.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Gee anyone bother to ask Israel about this?

230 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:22am

U.S., India and Pakistan Begin Sharing Intelligence Info

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

With Pakistan? Why not just E-Mail to the Taliban. It would be faster?

231 Mithrax  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:23am

re: #228 Nevergiveup

Good morning all. Anything interesting happen yesterday?

Friggin jays lost to the Bosox again. I swear just when they start teasing me, they fold up like a two buck suitcase.

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:46:25am

re: #228 Nevergiveup

Cavaliers lost, boo. Adam Lambert lost, yay. I didn't make any money, boo.

Sigh.

233 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:48:41am

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cavaliers lost, boo. Adam Lambert lost, yay. I didn't make any money, boo.

Sigh.

Who is adam lambert?

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:49:12am

re: #233 srb1976

Pretty much.

235 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:51:13am

re: #229 Nevergiveup

Palestinian sources said the Palestinian Authority would only be willing to relinquish Palestinian sovereignty over the Temple Mount as part of a final-status agreement in exchange for Islamic sovereignty over the site.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Gee anyone bother to ask Israel about this?

Well, it is one of the most famous "made up out of the blue let's steal this site for ourselves" Holy spots in Islam. The fact that damn mosque is sitting on top of the most holy spot in Judism is bad enough. But, for them to claim this as theirs is an outrage. The Koran does not specify where Mo went to hell, oops, I mean ascended to "heaven"...the Islamic claim on Al Quds is weak. They took this spot because it was sacred to the Jews. Why does nobody ever mention that? It is not theirs to steal. They took it because they could. Israel should take it back and tell them to FO

236 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:08am

So, the Little Man, who is not normall a morning person, is awake. He was on his way to the bathroom, looking for me yelling "Mommy...mommy...I'm home"
Funny stuff!

237 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:39am

Is it Friday yet?

238 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:59:39am

re: #237 rightside

Is it Friday yet?

Friday is over-rated,

that said, my friday was tuesday morning and monday is not until saturday morning.

239 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:02am

re: #238 srb1976

Friday is over-rated,

that said, my friday was tuesday morning and monday is not until saturday morning.

I'm now on call every weekend (let my weekend guy go to save money). Everyday is now Monday for me :-(

240 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:11am

re: #239 Desert Dog

I'm now on call every weekend (let my weekend guy go to save money). Everyday is now Monday for me :-(

Wow, that's awful!

I just work an odd rotating shift...Monday is a different day every week, makes it tough to keep the kids on a schedule. = )

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:06:59am

Oh shit! Dvr'ed "Deadliest Warrior"...Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz (Russian commandos)... Gosh this show is fun to watch!

242 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:15:09am
243 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:01am

Fire alarms are loud. The one here just went off for about 15 minutes, seems there was no fire, thankfully.

244 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:23am

re: #224 Desert Dog

How can Obama's rating hold at 60% favorable? There has to be a point where all of this idiocy catches up with him. We are heading off a cliff and most people do not see it?

My son enjoys reminding me about The One's approval ratings. I just do not get how thoroughly this fraud has completely snowed the country.

245 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:17:36am

Civil Administration and police forces demolished on Thursday morning a minor Jewish outpost named Maoz Esther near Kokhav Hashachar in Samaria, the West Bank, three days after US President Barack Obama told visiting Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that he must call a halt to settlement activit

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Only in the Middle East would the "deconstruction" of 4 shitty tin huts be front page news?

246 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:17:42am

re: #242 taxfreekiller

Now that things are not looking so good for the commie Democrats, new deal out of the msm and the commie enablers.

"Well if America wants better government and such they have to get more involved themselves, 20% to 25% voter turn out at the polls will not do the job."

Blame the victims is where they will take it now.

There is the whole "We get the government we deserve" thing, I can't say I disagree with that. The average voter is dreadfully ignorant.

247 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:05am

re: #244 unreconstructed rebel

How can Obama's rating hold at 60% favorable? There has to be a point where all of this idiocy catches up with him. We are heading off a cliff and most people do not see it?

My son enjoys reminding me about The One's approval ratings. I just do not get how thoroughly this fraud has completely snowed the country.

Next time your in a theater or stadium, look to your right and then to your left. The probability is that both people might be blithering idiots.

248 Throbert McGee  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:13am

re: #233 srb1976

Who is adam lambert?

He is a VICTIM of Christianist heteronormativity!

249 quickjustice  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:44am

re: #29 Sharmuta

Public employee labor unions were invented in New York back in the 1950s. Since then, they've seized control of state government in New York and California. I think they're an experiment that clearly has failed. Their puppets have governed badly. Decertify the public employee unions!

250 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:23am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I started DVRing that show when I first saw the advertisements for it, I was disappointed. Seemed to me the whole show could be done in the last 15 minute overview they do, and so much of it is based on random chance.

Decent entertainment value, but too drug out for me to sit through entire episodes.

251 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:30am

re: #244 unreconstructed rebel

They're high, because he says nothing of substance. The meat of his campaign speeches simply say things like, we need to reject the failed policies of the past, we need to lift up those less fortunate, we need to ensure we have clean air and water for our children and grandchildren, we need to think globally, we need to...etc.

He never provides specific examples of anything. And they gobble it all up.

252 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:48am

Anybody paying attention to the credit card "reforms" coming out of the Senate?

Basically, all benefits of being a credit worthy borrower will disappear. Going forth, we will all pay 18% & pay an annual fee.

I think I will drop my cards.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:27am

re: #248 Throbert McGee

He is a VICTIM of Christianist heteronormativity who made every song's vocal sound the same!

Was my take.

254 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:37am

re: #248 Throbert McGee

He is a VICTIM of Christianist heteronormativity!

= )
Ok, but who isn't?

255 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:21am

And so it begins...I got notified by Capital One yesterday that a card I have had for 13 years, with a 9% rate, as of July 1, will have a 17.99% rate. I have never carried a balance, never been late with a payment and have excellent credit. A call to CO revealed that this rate has been applied to all accounts due to "economic times".

For me, it was easy to tell them where to shove their new rate (this card was only used for online shopping) but what about others, who have a balance and no means to pay off the card in its entirety before July 1.

I can't wait to see what happens when the new, credit card overhaul law goes into effect! *spit*

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:49am

re: #247 Nevergiveup

Unless it is me. Then it is not a probability: it is a certainty.

257 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:54am

re: #252 unreconstructed rebel

Anybody paying attention to the credit card "reforms" coming out of the Senate?

Basically, all benefits of being a credit worthy borrower will disappear. Going forth, we will all pay 18% & pay an annual fee.

I think I will drop my cards.

Ya don't have to drop them, just pay off all the balances by the due date and there is no interest rate?

258 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:59am
259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:46am

re: #255 Fluffy Bunny

So it doesn't matter. Why are you letting it bother you? You aren't paying the 9%, so why should 17.99 bother you?

260 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:49am

re: #255 Fluffy Bunny

But if you pay it off by the due date, then that really should not matter all that much to you?

261 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:24am
262 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:30am

It is the principle.

263 rhino2  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:40am

re: #258 taxfreekiller

Ah I see your point.

It hasn't been done with the right people yet after all right? It'll work this time...

264 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:41am

re: #255 Fluffy Bunny

And so it begins...I got notified by Capital One yesterday that a card I have had for 13 years, with a 9% rate, as of July 1, will have a 17.99% rate. I have never carried a balance, never been late with a payment and have excellent credit. A call to CO revealed that this rate has been applied to all accounts due to "economic times".

For me, it was easy to tell them where to shove their new rate (this card was only used for online shopping) but what about others, who have a balance and no means to pay off the card in its entirety before July 1.

I can't wait to see what happens when the new, credit card overhaul law goes into effect! *spit*

If you have no balance, call them & tell them you are canceling. I'm pretty sure you can get them to rescind the new rate. At least until the new bill clears Congress.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:19am

re: #262 Fluffy Bunny

No, really it is not. It is completely irrelevant.

266 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:26:51am

Duty calls. Chat with y'all later.

267 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:04am

re: #264 unreconstructed rebel

The response was that the 17.99 is the lowest they offer, at this time.

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:54am

My in-laws pay off their credit card bills every month. They shopped for months before choosing the card they wanted to use. Was such a waste of time.

269 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:29:07am
270 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:29:48am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In my case, I agree. But for those carrying a balance, it is an additional hardship in these "economic times".

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:29:51am

re: #267 Fluffy Bunny

You will continue to pay "zero". I wouldn't worry about it.

A lot of things to be angry about out there, this ain't one. (in my opinion of course).

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:31:02am

re: #270 Fluffy Bunny

For everyone carrying a balance at 7%, there are five people carrying cards that are being hit at 27.99% and will never escape. This will help those folks.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:07am

I'm going to the gym. Damn, I'm sexy now; what is going to happen when I am svelte?

274 quickjustice  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:29am

re: #252 unreconstructed rebel

There's discussion of charging interest from day one of the credit card charge, abandoning the "interest-free for thirty days" rule. And that money will be used to "help" uncreditworthy card holders. People who are careful about credit will be subsidizing those who aren't.

Thanks, President Obama!

275 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:04am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV...I have a daughter living at home, trying to pay off debt and save to get out on her own. She also has a Capital One card, with a balance.

This new rate hurts her...and many others.

276 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:43am

Today in History, May 21st:

Highlights of this day in history: Aviator Charles Lindbergh lands in Paris, completing the first non-stop solo flight across the Atlantic; The American Red Cross founded; Susan Lucci wins a Daytime Emmy; 'Gypsy' opens on Broadway.

Other notable May 21st events include:

878 – Syracuse, Italy is captured by the Muslim sultan of Sicily.

1937 – A Soviet station becomes the first scientific research settlement to operate on the drift ice of the Arctic Ocean.

1958 – United Kingdom Postmaster General Ernest Marples announces that from December, subscriber trunk dialling (dialing without operator assistance) will be introduced in the Bristol area.

1994 – The Democratic Republic of Yemen secedes from the Republic of Yemen.

2007 – The clipper Cutty Sark is badly damaged by fire in London, England.

2009 - gmsc posts "Today in History" over 5.5 hours late due to being surprised by a group of old friends from pre-Vegas days and inviting him out to have some fun on the Strip! (Sorry, Today in History fans.)

277 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:32am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you, littleoldlady! Yummy!

(Fruitcup still tastes good 3.5 hours later!

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:41am

re: #275 Fluffy Bunny

Yeah. I'm trying to dig out of some debt myself. It is hard, I was just saying that people like you (on this issue, have nothing to complain about) (unless that 30 day rule goes away).

279 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:07am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For everyone carrying a balance at 7%, there are five people carrying cards that are being hit at 27.99% and will never escape. This will help those folks.

We were surprised by our cc bill last month. It went up to 25.99% with no warning. After a phone call to Visa with no satisfaction we paid it off and cut it up.

280 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:22am

From what I understand, the 30 day rule will be history under the new law. In that case, it effects all credit card users.

I hate the idea of using a debit card for online transactions, but it looks like it might just be the best option.

281 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:42:43am

re: #276 gmsc

Wow...you live in (or near) vegas and still ventured onto the strip, impressive.

Aside from the mandatory trip on my 21st birthday, I don't think better half and I went to the strip a single time while we were living in Vegas. We were downtown often, but never on the strip...

282 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:08am

re: #280 Fluffy Bunny

From what I understand, the 30 day rule will be history under the new law. In that case, it effects all credit card users.

I hate the idea of using a debit card for online transactions, but it looks like it might just be the best option.


I doubt it. I heard nothing about that.

283 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:11am

re: #29 Sharmuta

I think government unions are a conflict of interest. They should not be permitted. Unions- funded by tax dollars- it's an outrage.

Not enough up-dings in the world.

284 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:22am

Good morning all.

285 Shug  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:07am

Good Morning.


Today is my baby's first birthday!

What a year it has been.

Better than all of my previous years combined.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

286 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:11am

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm going to the gym. Damn, I'm sexy now; what is going to happen when I am svelte?

You're gonna have to change your nic to Sexy Bastard Vegetarian.

287 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:48am

dinburgh film festival declines Israeli grant due to pressure
Pro-Palestinian groups in Britain led by director Ken Loach threaten to boycott festival if money given by Israeli Embassy to fund participation of Israeli director is not returned. 'This is an attempt to demonize and de-legitimize Israel,' says embassy spokesman

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

What is it with the British and Anti Semitism? It must be in their blood.

288 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:46:07am

re: #285 Shug

Good Morning.


Today is my baby's first birthday!

What a year it has been.

Better than all of my previous years combined.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY


Happy birthday to the baby! It only gets more fun from here!

289 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:07am

re: #282 Nevergiveup

I hope that you are correct.

290 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:07am

re: #285 Shug

Happy Birthday to your baby

291 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:24am

re: #288 srb1976

Happy birthday to the baby! It only gets more fun from here!

My "baby" just graduated from College. Sigh.

292 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:15am

Ha! I knew it was a fluke... Little man is going back to bed. I knew there ws no way he up for the day, on his own @ 6 AM

293 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:44am

re: #292 srb1976

Ha! I knew it was a fluke... Little man is going back to bed. I knew there ws no way he up for the day, on his own @ 6 AM

are you on the west coast?

294 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:48am

Happy First Birthday BabyShug! : )

295 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:50:31am

Lib California Speaker Karen Bass Says Voters Rejected Tax Hikes Because They Were Fatigued & Uninformed (Video)
IT'S THE VOTERS FAULT-- THEY'RE JUST STUPID--

296 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:50:34am

re: #291 Nevergiveup

My "baby" just graduated from College. Sigh.

My 2 will be 2 and 5 in September...the only thing I would want to change is to have their birthdays be further apart (12 days between his and hers)

297 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:51:23am

re: #293 Nevergiveup

Nah, Central time...he's been up a couple of hours playing...just decided to get back in bed and take a nap

298 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:52:11am

re: #296 srb1976

My 2 will be 2 and 5 in September...the only thing I would want to change is to have their birthdays be further apart (12 days between his and hers)

Enjoy they grow up fast. Mine are 22 and 20.

299 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:52:18am

re: #285 Shug

Good Morning.

Today is my baby's first birthday!

What a year it has been.

Better than all of my previous years combined.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Hoy!...
pretty soon he'll be walking and then riding a bike, driving a car, then you'll be a grandpa..yup...just like that...enjoy

300 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:52:42am

re: #297 srb1976

Nah, Central time...he's been up a couple of hours playing...just decided to get back in bed and take a nap

If I weren't at work, I might join him.

301 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:01am

re: #281 srb1976

Wow...you live in (or near) vegas and still ventured onto the strip, impressive.

Aside from the mandatory trip on my 21st birthday, I don't think better half and I went to the strip a single time while we were living in Vegas. We were downtown often, but never on the strip...

Well, when you have friends visit you in Vegas, the strip is kind of hard to avoid.

Yeah, you can show them all these wonderful things off the strip, but you can't really avoid the Strip.

302 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:52am

re: #285 Shug

Good Morning.

Today is my baby's first birthday!

What a year it has been.

Better than all of my previous years combined.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Happy 1st Birthday, littleShug!

303 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:54:29am

re: #300 Nevergiveup

If I weren't at work, I might join him.

If I weren't sure that Her Royal Stoutness would be up as soon as I laid down, I would too...but she's really good at that

304 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:54:45am

re: #291 Nevergiveup

Ours did too! It's a great feeling...no more tuition payments! (We had two in college.) Mr. Bunny and I are still doing the happy dance!

305 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:55:14am

re: #295 FrogMarch

"Mr. Stevenson, you have the thinking man's vote."
"That's nice, but I need a majority to win."

/ hurrr

306 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:56:38am

re: #301 gmsc

Well, when you have friends visit you in Vegas, the strip is kind of hard to avoid.

Yeah, you can show them all these wonderful things off the strip, but you can't really avoid the Strip.

tourists visiting me routinely need to visit Santa Fe (1hr) and Taos (2hrs)...it's a ritual...soo I pack up and head north...ho hum, loddy da

307 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:56:57am

re: #305 laZardo

"Mr. Stevenson, you have the thinking man's vote."
"That's nice, but I need a majority to win."

/ hurrr

I sometimes like to pause, and consider whether Adlai Stevenson has been vindicated.

308 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:17am

re: #285 Shug

Good Morning.


Today is my baby's first birthday!

What a year it has been.

Better than all of my previous years combined.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

also, be careful when smushing baby's face into the cake...they get upset if they get frosting in the eye
/Not saying how I know, but trust me = )

309 freetoken  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:55am

Heh... got a belated meltdown on the now stale Limbaugh thread... Is there ever really a dead thread at LGF?

310 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:00:09am

re: #306 albusteve

You two should be thankful, we have to do Disney, Sea World, Bush Gardens, etc. for our visitors. I have had enough of theme parks to last a lifetime.

311 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:00:15am

re: #295 FrogMarch

I wonder if we can get Obama recalled because he misled and exhausted all of us for the year leading up to his election? Somehow I guess that the moonbat in CA wouldn't like him held to that standard.

312 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:00:58am

re: #229 Nevergiveup

Palestinian sources said the Palestinian Authority would only be willing to relinquish Palestinian sovereignty over the Temple Mount as part of a final-status agreement in exchange for Islamic sovereignty over the site.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Gee anyone bother to ask Israel about this?

The unmitigated gall of what they are proposing is enough to make me want to... yeah... I'm going to keep that thought to myself.

The OIC is signatory to the Arab Peace Initiative (LOL). The envisioned agreement would provide the Palestinians with backing from all Muslim states toward a historic compromise with Israel in a peace agreement (LOL).

According to the proposal, the Western Wall and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem's Old City will be under Israeli sovereignty, while the Muslim, Christian and Armenian quarters would be transfered to Palestinian sovereignty (I'm sure they'd be thrilled to be overseen by ethnic cleansing terrorists). Israel objects to Palestinian sovereignty over the Armenian Quarter (ya think?).

There is also a dispute building over the Western Wall; the PA plans to demand that Israeli sovereignty applies only to part of the wall (dear Palestinian Authority, GFY and Die).

Nabil Abu Rudeina, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said that if Israel opts for peace and has a leader who is willing to make genuine compromises, a peace agreement could be reached within three to six months (see also "hudna", aka "downtime for weapons resupply").

"Give us everything and maybe we let you keep your silly little wall as part of a 'peace' agreement". Hey Abbas... Verb my Noun, you Expletive.

313 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:01:10am

re: #306 albusteve

tourists visiting me routinely need to visit Santa Fe (1hr) and Taos (2hrs)...it's a ritual...soo I pack up and head north...ho hum, loddy da

If you want to avoid Taos, but can't get out of showing them Santa Fe, tell them, "Hey, would you like a real treat? Let's visit Las Vegas! No, honestly, Las Vegas is much closer than you might think."

Then take 85 through the southern tip of the National Forest, and show them Las Vegas! Heh, heh.

314 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:02:22am

Flip-Flops and Governance
Our president isn't quite as advertised.
by Karl Rove

Barack Obama inherited a set of national-security policies that he rejected during the campaign but now embraces as president. This is a stunning and welcome about-face.

For example, President Obama kept George W. Bush's military tribunals for terror detainees after calling them an "enormous failure" and a "legal black hole." His campaign claimed last summer that "court systems . . . are capable of convicting terrorists." Upon entering office, he found out they aren't.

He insisted in an interview with NBC in 2007 that Congress mandate "consequences" for "a failure to meet various benchmarks and milestones" on aid to Iraq. Earlier this month he fought off legislatively mandated benchmarks in the $97 billion funding bill for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr. Obama agreed on April 23 to American Civil Liberties Union demands to release investigative photos of detainee abuse. Now's he reversed himself. Pentagon officials apparently convinced him that releasing the photos would increase the risk to U.S. troops and civilian personnel.

Throughout his presidential campaign, Mr. Obama excoriated Mr. Bush's counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq, insisting it could not succeed. Earlier this year, facing increasing violence in Afghanistan, Mr. Obama rejected warnings of a "quagmire" and ordered more troops to that country. He isn't calling it a "surge" but that's what it is. He is applying in Afghanistan the counterinsurgency strategy Mr. Bush used in Iraq.

Gosh, I can't wait for Obama to admit Bush was right all along!

315 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:03:25am

re: #309 freetoken

Heh... got a belated meltdown on the now stale Limbaugh thread... Is there ever really a dead thread at LGF?

To reasonable people, there is. To the rest, well . . .

316 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:01am

re: #313 gmsc

If you want to avoid Taos, but can't get out of showing them Santa Fe, tell them, "Hey, would you like a real treat? Let's visit Las Vegas! No, honestly, Las Vegas is much closer than you might think."

Then take 85 through the southern tip of the National Forest, and show them Las Vegas! Heh, heh.

When we were makeing the trek eastward, LV new mexico was close enough to the start of the trek to still make for funny jokes. ( a cross country trip, in a pickup truck with 3 adults, 2 cats, and a dog gets really old, really fast)

317 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:10am

re: #314 Kenneth

And doubly-disillusion the youth who voted him in?

/half

318 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:46am

More:

Mr. Obama's appealing campaign images turned out to have been fleeting. He ran hard to the left on national security to win the nomination, only to discover the campaign commitments he made were shallow and at odds with America's security interests.

Mr. Obama ran hard to the center on economic issues to win the general election. He has since discovered his campaign commitments were obstacles to ramming through the most ideologically liberal economic agenda since the Great Society.

Mr. Obama either had very little grasp of what governing would involve or, if he did, he used words meant to mislead the public. Neither option is particularly encouraging. America now has a president quite different from the person who advertised himself for the job last year. Over time, those things can catch up to a politician.

319 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:31am

re: #310 Fluffy Bunny

You two should be thankful, we have to do Disney, Sea World, Bush Gardens, etc. for our visitors. I have had enough of theme parks to last a lifetime.

I love Orlando...no other place in the world like it...back in the day we NEVER missed an amusement park...next to DW my favorite is easily Busch Gardens, Williamsburg...there are no man made novelties like that within a thousand miles of ABQ

320 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:02am

re: #318 Kenneth

and this is suprising to who, exactly?

321 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:12am

re: #314 Kenneth

"Gosh, I can't wait for Obama to admit Bush was right all along!"

Yeah, that would be a sight.
As usual, though, we'll just have to wait for the historical record to vindicate Bush/conservatives The press and the moonbats NEVER admit they were wrong (or lying), they just move on to some new farcical subject and hope that their pea-brained followers don't notice.

322 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:01am

re: #313 gmsc

If you want to avoid Taos, but can't get out of showing them Santa Fe, tell them, "Hey, would you like a real treat? Let's visit Las Vegas! No, honestly, Las Vegas is much closer than you might think."

Then take 85 through the southern tip of the National Forest, and show them Las Vegas! Heh, heh.

beautiful little town...spent a morning there with tourisis a month ago

323 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:22am

re: #316 srb1976

When we were makeing the trek eastward, LV new mexico was close enough to the start of the trek to still make for funny jokes. ( a cross country trip, in a pickup truck with 3 adults, 2 cats, and a dog gets really old, really fast)

I know what you mean. I once took 10 from Florida to California. Big mistake.

For those who don't know, going westward, 10 goes like this: Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Texas, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.

It took 3 days to go across the widest part of Texas, and less than 1 to go from the Arizona/New Mexico border to San Francisco!

324 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:04am

re: #322 albusteve

beautiful little town...spent a morning there with tourisis a month ago

As much trouble as people in New Mexico seem to have getting the rest of the country to understand that they're in the United States, I can't imagine how much of their mail probably gets redirected to Nevada.

325 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:23am

re: #320 srb1976

I'm surprised by two things:


1. How blatant Obama is in reversing his campaign promises. I expected more nuance.
2. How blatant the media is in covering for him.

OK, I'm not so surprised about that second one.

326 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:45am

Lieberman: Netanyahu-Obama meeting more positive than thought

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

And if you believe that, I got this almost new Bridge in Brooklyn I could sell ya?

327 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:49am

re: #323 gmsc

The bulk of our trip was on the 40 east. It is important to make sure that the climate control in the vehicle is working, Flagstaff at night, in january is VERY cold in a truck with no heat. Very glad we made the trip, but no way I would do it again...

328 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:58am

On the NY terrorists:

“They stated that they wanted to commit jihad,” he said. “More information about their motives I’m sure will be developed as the case progresses, but right now, they stated they wanted to make jihad. They were disturbed about what was happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Muslims were being killed. They were making statements that Jews were killed in this attack and that would be all right — that sort of thing.”

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

329 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:01am

Well, I haven't gotten any sleep after being out all night with my buddies, so even though it's early morning here, goodnight, all!

330 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:13am

re: #323 gmsc

I know what you mean. I once took 10 from Florida to California. Big mistake.

For those who don't know, going westward, 10 goes like this: Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Texas, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.

It took 3 days to go across the widest part of Texas, and less than 1 to go from the Arizona/New Mexico border to San Francisco!

People really have little comprehension how big Texas is.

And once you're past San Antonio - it's pretty bare.

331 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:15am

re: #321 Lincolntf

"You can't reverse 8 years of damage in 6 months!"

/excuse generator, a real scrooge on carbon credits.

332 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:06am

re: #324 gmsc

As much trouble as people in New Mexico seem to have getting the rest of the country to understand that they're in the United States, I can't imagine how much of their mail probably gets redirected to Nevada.

when I decided to move here a couple of people gave me blank looks, not quite sure where NM is...duh...it's the 5th biggest state

333 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:03am

re: #330 reine.de.tout

People really have little comprehension how big Texas is.

And once you're past San Antonio - it's pretty bare.

I remember complaining about how long it took to get through TX, and we were crossing the panhandle.

334 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:25am

Good morning. Obama has not shared his plan with the Congress for transfer of Gitmo detainees & where they would be held.
He is speaking today. If he now goes public with his plan, it will be without Congressional consultation.

335 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:06am

Roman Catholic Church officials say they would like an explanation from Israel for the poor turnout at Pope Benedict XVI's open-air mass in Jerusalem last week.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Could it be, and I'm just spit-balling here, that the "Muslims" have forced most of the Christians to get the hell out of the Middle East?

336 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:14:22am

re: #334 opnion

Good morning. Obama has not shared his plan with the Congress for transfer of Gitmo detainees & where they would be held.
He is speaking today. If he now goes public with his plan, it will be without Congressional consultation.

And I might add, nobody called me either to ask my opinion?

337 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:33am

Good morning y'all - from a pleasant (63 degress going up to 80 degrees) partly sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

338 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:44am

re: #336 Nevergiveup

And I might add, nobody called me either to ask my opinion?


It seems like Obama is doing this on the fly. Closing Gitmo was a campaign pledge. You would think that by now ,they would have a plan.

339 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:54am

re: #311 Lincolntf

I wonder if we can get Obama recalled because he misled and exhausted all of us for the year leading up to his election? Somehow I guess that the moonbat in CA wouldn't like him held to that standard.

Somehow Obama is the untouchable one in all this..

Suddenly the "voters" are responsible for fixing the economy. How dare they not willingly open their wallets and bank accounts for more?!
Our government is so inflexible inefficient and corrupt they only know how to expand and tax...expand and tax. the voters said "enough". Whenever the voters don't give the kings and queens what they want, the courts usually nullify the whole thing anyway.

340 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:16:29am

re: #325 Kenneth

I'm surprised by two things:

2. How blatant the media is in covering for him.

OK, I'm not so surprised about that second one.

That's nothing. O is writing his own press coverage now.

From Jake Tapper:


On April 27, President Obama welcomed the University of Connecticut Lady Huskies, who had just won the NCAA women's basketball championship.

After the event, President Obama went to the White House basketball court to shoot hoop with the Lady Huskies. The White House press corps was not allowed to attend.

...Now we know why: Obama White House officials decided to do their own media report on the visit, complete with cuts, interviews, and chyrons identifying who's speaking.

Also, just like a network, they have their own little logo!

...Do Obama White House officials think their media coverage isn't flattering enough?

Is the goal to ultimately replace the pesky photographers who film what they want to and not what they're told to (not to mention the annoying reporters who ask uncomfortable questions about, say, detainee policy and bank bailouts)?

How long will the MSM put up with this?

341 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:07am

re: #337 realwest

Uhhh...

342 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:18am

re: #319 albusteve

My response probably sounded more negative than I intended, we enjoyed going to the parks with the kids. But, we have been so many times that we need a break from them. I prefer natural beauty, the beaches here are fabulous and we spend most of our free time there.

Your area is awesome, we have only been to New Mexico once and we loved it. Want to trade? You can take our visitors to Disney...: D

343 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:59am

re: #285 Shug
Hey Shug - wish Lil Shug happy birthday from me! Give 'em a big bannana split from me too! (what? bananas are good for you!)!

344 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:26am

re: #337 realwest

Good morning {Realwest}!

345 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:29am

re: #337 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a pleasant (63 degress going up to 80 degrees) partly sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

Morning rw.

346 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:19:51am

“Sri Lanka’s Bad Example”

The Tigers, Time Magazine says, were bad guys and thoroughly deserved to be defeated. “The Tamil Tigers taught terrorists everywhere the finer (or more savage) points of suicide bombing, the recruitment of child soldiers, arms trafficking, propaganda and the use of a global diaspora to collect resources.” Now they’re defeated, but the world shouldn’t celebrate. Why? Because Sri Lanka did it the wrong way. Time lists the wrong lessons a casual observer might be tempted to draw.

* Brute Force Works
* Negotiations Don’t
* Collateral Damage Is Acceptable
* The Press Should Shut Up

Because none of these really had anything to do with the Tiger’s defeat. The LTTE lost because it ceded the moral high ground. It acquired a legitimacy deficit. That’s why it lost. Time writes:

...insurgent groups using terror tactics “can no longer call themselves freedom fighters,” according to Daniel Markey, a South Asia expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. “The Tigers didn’t understand this, and paid a significant price.”

According to the foreign policy experts interviewed by Time, the LTTE lost because they "ceded the moral high ground". If that is so, why doesn't Time say the Iraqi terrorist groups lost because they "ceded the moral high ground"? They can't say that, because they already declared the US had lost because they "ceded the moral high ground".

Looking at what happened in Sri Lanka from another perspective:

Did Sri Lanka debunk counterinsurgency theory?

The Sri Lankan government has demonstrated one way to end a civil war: massive force, employed without remorse. ...But in exchange for the punishment suffered by the non-combatants, the Sri Lankan government achieved the deaths of virtually all of LTTE’s leadership, the occupation of all of its territory, and the disbanding of its militia. Sri Lankan’s civil war is over.

It seems insurgencies really can be defeated through force alone, without a "political solution". Who knew?

Government leaders around the world currently suffering from insurgencies and observing U.S. counterinsurgency practice in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Sri Lankan government’s experience against the LTTE will draw some conclusions. What might those conclusions be?

First, cut off all media access to the battlefield. Control the message and the images the world receives.

Second, invite in the assistance of an authoritarian patron. Sri Lanka received generous assistance from China which we can be sure was not the least judgmental about Sri Lankan tactics. In the aftermath of the civil war, we should expect a small but growing military relationship between Sri Lanka and China. The Chinese military will be happy to have access to Sri Lankan air bases and port facilities in the Indian Ocean. China will also protect Sri Lankan officials from pesky United Nations investigations and tribunals.

Finally, be ruthless and rapid. End the campaign before most of the world is even aware of what is happening.

Imagine the outcry if the US had helped the Sri Lankan gov't defeat the terrorists. China helped? Yawn.

347 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:37am

re: #342 Fluffy Bunny

My response probably sounded more negative than I intended, we enjoyed going to the parks with the kids. But, we have been so many times that we need a break from them. I prefer natural beauty, the beaches here are fabulous and we spend most of our free time there.

Your area is awesome, we have only been to New Mexico once and we loved it. Want to trade? You can take our visitors to Disney...: D

Florida to me is just three things...
Orlando, Key West and Perdido Key, my favorite spot

my son is in dental school in Lauderdale and is less than impressed with the town and the people, way to pretentious for him...he loves the western states

348 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:42am

The New York Times is going down in circulation. Their growth segment is their on line Obama Memorabilia store. Seriously, they claim that is going great.
Ok, how can they be objective while they are making money promoting BHO?

349 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:21:11am

re: #343 realwest

Hey Shug - wish Lil Shug happy birthday from me! Give 'em a big bannana split from me too! (what? bananas are good for you!)!

bananas should be given to littles with caution...there are very few things as pitiful as a constipated baby...and some are more...sensitive to the effect than others.

BTW, good morning = )

350 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:21:40am

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

How long will we put up with a President who seems to want to have his own Chavez-esque media company? The MSM doesn't care. They largely crave state-control, it's up to the readers/viewers/voters to reject these unsubtle lurches toward a state-controlled media.

351 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:34am

Good morning realwest. I hope you're doing fine today. It's a nice sunny day in Toronto.

352 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:48am

re: #347 albusteve

Florida to me is just three things...
Orlando, Key West and Perdido Key, my favorite spot

my son is in dental school in Lauderdale and is less than impressed with the town and the people, way to pretentious for him...he loves the western states

I seem to remember hearing before your son was in Dental School. Who is paying for school?

353 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:24:21am

re: #352 Nevergiveup

I seem to remember hearing before your son was in Dental School. Who is paying for school?

he is...at least the greatest part of it...we help out in alot of ways but he has taken it on himself...200K or so

354 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:24:30am

re: #346 Kenneth

In the second quoted paragraph of the second article, replace Sri Lanka with Iraq, and China with America.

/hence, "authoritarian patron."

355 Miss Trixie  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:25:28am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

The first day of Summer 2009 brings with it balmy sweet breezes, maples bursting out in verdant glory along the river and fragrant lilac along the walkways.

*sigh* I've finally defrosted. :D

&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to you &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to you &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday Baby Shug! &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to you &#9836 &#9834

And many mooore!

356 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:25:38am

re: #344 Fluffy Bunny
Good morning to you too - I was reading upthread and noticed your concerns re: credit cards and my Rueters news report indicates that credit card companies will likely a) charge an annual fee b) lower credit lines and/or start charging interest from date of purchase.
Just saying...

357 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:25:41am

re: #353 albusteve

he is...at least the greatest part of it...we help out in alot of ways but he has taken it on himself...200K or so

Ya know id he wanted to, I am sure one of the Services would gladly pay for School with a small commitment afterwords. I could put you in touch with a Navy Medical recruiter?

358 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:32am

re: #345 Erik The Red
Good morning ETR! How are you doing today?

359 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:33am

re: #355 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

The first day of Summer 2009 brings with it balmy sweet breezes, maples bursting out in verdant glory along the river and fragrant lilac along the walkways.

*sigh* I've finally defrosted. :D

♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to you ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to you ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday Baby Shug! ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to you ♬ ♪

And many mooore!

When is the first day of summer?

360 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:27:05am

re: #347 albusteve

I have to agree with him. Our favorite (local) getaways are Anna Maria Island and Lovers Key. For longer trips, we head to the Keys. At our age, the Miami scene is just not for us.

361 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:21am

re: #356 realwest

Good morning to you too - I was reading upthread and noticed your concerns re: credit cards and my Rueters news report indicates that credit card companies will likely a) charge an annual fee b) lower credit lines and/or start charging interest from date of purchase.
Just saying...

Well, that's about the only three loopholes that they haven't made us of, it's no surprise, when they get finished, they will have us coming, going and gone.

362 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:21am

re: #330 reine.de.tout

People really have little comprehension how big Texas is.

And once you're past San Antonio - it's pretty bare.

My family took a big road trip one summer, driving from NJ to Arizona - it took us three days to cross Texas.

363 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:27am

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

When is the first day of summer?

That depends. In Ottawa they have two seasons: winter and July.

364 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:29am

re: #324 gmsc

As much trouble as people in New Mexico seem to have getting the rest of the country to understand that they're in the United States, I can't imagine how much of their mail probably gets redirected to Nevada.

In my experience, people always seem to remember it as Arizona.

Or else they would ask if you had to exchange money when you visited.

Several years back, when NM decided to change the label on its license plates from "New Mexico" to "New Mexico USA", lots of people joked that in this case USA stood for "u stupid ass"!

365 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:19am

Just heard on the radio, lawmakers looking to a BEER TAX of 2 dollars per case to raise revenue.

366 Miss Trixie  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:24am

{realwest} Good morning luv *smoochie-smooch* So glad to see you today - how's every little thing?

367 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:25am

re: #351 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth! Hope all is well with you and yours - sunny...in Canada? Isn't that like against the law there or something?
It's funny too, cause I was speaking to an LGFer who used to live in Riverdale, NY when we met and she left to move to Seattle (or near by) about 8 months or so ago and she said while it does rain there, they hardly ever have snow, insects or big storms, so of course the Space Needle got capped by lightning three different times last night! LOL!

368 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:30am

re: #356 realwest

It's good to see you Realwest, I hope you and your mom are doing well.

So, this is the change 52% of voters wanted...well, they got it. Idjits!

369 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:42am

re: #349 srb1976

bananas should be given to littles with caution...there are very few things as pitiful as a constipated baby...and some are more...sensitive to the effect than others.

BTW, good morning = )

Amen to that. A constipated four-year-old is bad enough (we've got one now), but a baby? Much worse.

370 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:44am

BBIAM!

371 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:55am

re: #357 Nevergiveup

Ya know id he wanted to, I am sure one of the Services would gladly pay for School with a small commitment afterwords. I could put you in touch with a Navy Medical recruiter?

he won the Scholastic/Athlete Award (US Army) in high school and was heavily recruited by the services and many colleges...full scholorships etc...he chose U of Mich...we discussed the options thoroughly...and now he's at NOVA...it is what it is...he already has job ops three years from now...

372 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:57am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

Just heard on the radio, lawmakers looking to a BEER TAX of 2 dollars per case to raise revenue.

Solution: brew your own, as I do.

373 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:30:00am

The NY terrorist suspects will be arraigned in Manhattan today.
Anybody know if any of thesee guys made a jail house conversion to Islam?

374 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:30:36am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

Just heard on the radio, lawmakers looking to a BEER TAX of 2 dollars per case to raise revenue.

Federal?

375 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:31:21am

re: #372 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Solution: brew your own, as I do.

Solution, get rid of Obama. It's solved many problems and it's more refreshing.

376 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:31:38am

re: #374 Nevergiveup

Federal?

Yes.

377 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:32:11am

re: #369 Ward Cleaver

Amen to that. A constipated four-year-old is bad enough (we've got one now), but a baby? Much worse.

Little Man has had trouble with that off and on his whole life (started when he switched to formula) potty training makes it worse...His pediatrician suggested we put him on miralax, 1/2 dose once a day for a few weeks...Fantastic stuff! Once he got over the fear part (that's why you keep it up for a few weeks) we haven't had a problem since...what a relief

378 Justabill  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:32:34am

I bet hes a time traveler, that would explain his confusion...

379 Miss Trixie  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:33:08am

re: #363 Kenneth

That depends. In Ottawa they have two seasons: winter and July.

*WHACK*

Smartypants! :D

380 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:33:53am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

Just heard on the radio, lawmakers looking to a BEER TAX of 2 dollars per case to raise revenue.

arbitrary taxation really pisses me off...just to generate revenue to make up for bad spending elsewhere...I hate the feds

381 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:34:09am

re: #361 Walter L. Newton

Well, that's about the only three loopholes that they haven't made us of, it's no surprise, when they get finished, they will have us coming, going and gone.

Then screw them. I use credit cards for convenience only. If they make it inconvenient or expensive to use the things, I will stop.

382 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:34:50am

Well, the 4 guys arrested in NY is a prime example of why we should not mainstream Gitmo terrorist into American prisons.

383 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:34:59am

FNC now reporting that at least one of the Synagogues in the NY terrorist plot had people inside at the time.

384 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:35:23am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Well, the 4 guys arrested in NY is a prime example of why we should not mainstream Gitmo terrorist into American prisons.

A million updings upon you.

385 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:36:03am

re: #361 Walter L. Newton

BOHICA!

386 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:36:52am

re: #355 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous *smooches* to you - and let's be honest here - y'all never needed "defrosting", now didja?
:)

387 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:37:08am

re: #385 Fluffy Bunny

BOHICA!

IDKWYTA.

388 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:38:40am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Well, the 4 guys arrested in NY is a prime example of why we should not mainstream Gitmo terrorist into American prisons.

You know that, I know that, The folks here at LGF's know that, but I got a hunch Obama and Holder don't have a clue?

389 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:38:55am

re: #367 realwest

It depends where in Canada: the prairies are very sunny, while Vancouver, like Seattle, is almost always rainy.

390 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:11am

re: #388 Nevergiveup

You know that, I know that, The folks here at LGF's know that, but I got a hunch Obama and Holder don't have a clue?

Who's Obama and Holder?

391 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:21am

re: #369 Ward Cleaver
and srb1976 OK,OK! I'll eat it myself!
Thibbbit!

392 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:59am

re: #387 Walter L. Newton

If IDKWYTA means what I think it does...

BOHICA = Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

393 Miss Trixie  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:40:41am

re: #386 realwest

Hey there gorgeous *smooches* to you - and let's be honest here - y'all never needed "defrosting", now didja?
:)

LOL! *hug*

394 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:41:02am

re: #362 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My family took a big road trip one summer, driving from NJ to Arizona - it took us three days to cross Texas.

When you enter Texas on I-10 from Louisiana (after crossing the Sabine River), there's a sign that lists the mileage to El Paso, and I think it says 803 miles.

395 srb1976  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:41:02am

re: #391 realwest

and srb1976 OK,OK! I'll eat it myself!
Thibbbit!

They are yummy aren't they = )

396 Desert Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:42:12am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

Who's Obama and Holder?

Big Brother and O'Brien, why do you ask Winston?

397 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:42:24am

re: #372 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Solution: brew your own, as I do.

As do I.

398 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:42:44am

re: #395 srb1976
Yes. gnbem...(swallows) they certainly are!

399 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:43:13am

Has anyone heard from Dustyvet? Is he ok?

400 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:43:20am

re: #295 FrogMarch

Lib California Speaker Karen Bass Says Voters Rejected Tax Hikes Because They Were Fatigued & Uninformed (Video)
IT'S THE VOTERS FAULT-- THEY'RE JUST STUPID--

It's the voters fault that they elected nitwits who can't count and think that taxpayers are a bottomless piggy bank that they can grab without regard to logic or the consequences.

401 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:43:24am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Well, the 4 guys arrested in NY is a prime example of why we should not mainstream Gitmo terrorist into American prisons.

Oh no! Didn't drcordell explain it too you? If we put the Gitmo detainees into SuperMax prisons (assuming the courts don't toss out the trials on technicalities), it will serve as the perfect deterrent to terrorists everywhere. Get with the meme, dude:

Gitmo = recruiting tool
US prisons = perfect deterrent

402 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:44:31am

re: #399 Fluffy Bunny

Has anyone heard from Dustyvet? Is he ok?

Dusty is doing OK. He has been quiet since his sister has passed,but has been on LGF. He is active on his facebook page.

403 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:14am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Maybe they'll all be transferred to Superjail. (:

404 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:27am

re: #379 Miss Trixie

Winnipeg also has two seasons: winter and mosquitoes.

405 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:34am

re: #364 lurking faith

In my experience, people always seem to remember it as Arizona.

Or else they would ask if you had to exchange money when you visited.

Several years back, when NM decided to change the label on its license plates from "New Mexico" to "New Mexico USA", lots of people joked that in this case USA stood for "u stupid ass"!

Years ago, I dated a girl from NM, and when I told people I was going to visit her family in NM, some of them would say, "Ol' Mexico?", I had to tell them, "No, New Mexico. It's a state."

406 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:45am

re: #399 Fluffy Bunny

Has anyone heard from Dustyvet? Is he ok?

I haven't heard from him since BEFORE the funeral, when I got his address from him to forward to the Lizards that helped him get to the funeral. I just forgot about it, I figured he would say hi when he got a chance.

Maybe I will call him today.

407 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:57am

re: #402 Erik The Red

Thanks Erik...he has been in my thoughts and prayers.

408 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:46:05am

re: #400 lawhawk

It's the voters fault that they elected nitwits who can't count and think that taxpayers are a bottomless piggy bank that they can grab without regard to logic or the consequences.

Yes. But the stupid voters were duped by Hope and Change.

409 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:46:20am

re: #403 laZardo

Maybe they'll all be transferred to Superjail. (:


[Video]

You mean Super Max? And no, no one here wants them. And I don't think they know how to ski.

410 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:47:04am

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

The video is a montage of the Simpsons-style-varying opening sequences of a cartoon called Superjail. 0:

411 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:47:20am

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

If you do, will you please let him know that he is missed? Thanks, Walter.

412 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:47:26am

re: #405 Ward Cleaver

Years ago, I dated a girl from NM, and when I told people I was going to visit her family in NM, some of them would say, "Ol' Mexico?", I had to tell them, "No, New Mexico. It's a state."

after we kicked Texas' ass in 1841 they want to forget us...we bad

413 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:47:39am

Good morning.

With regard to the credit card legislation, I would look for several changes in how banks operate their credit card agreements:

1. The rates for their "good" customers will be raised to subsidize the higher rates they have typically charged to their more risky customers.

2. Annual fee charges will jump.

3. Interest will get charged from the date of transaction, eliminating the grace period.

As a result, you will see some customers including corporations shift to using a debit card, cash, blanket purchase orders and checks instead of their credit cards. That will create the unintended consequence of adverse selection, and the remaining credit card users will see ever increasing costs as the pool of users becomes smaller and smaller.

I fully expect to see headlines that say "Women and minorities hurt worst".

414 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:48:50am

I finally got around to watching the defacto Tea Party spokesman's new video...
“Thomas Paine”: An open letter to Barack Obama

AP points out that he one of those nutty isolationist Paulians. He also make a creepy statement about the country being run by ethnic special interests.

415 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:48:56am

re: #400 lawhawk

It's the voters fault that they elected nitwits who can't count and think that taxpayers are a bottomless piggy bank that they can grab without regard to logic or the consequences.

What'll that moron say when the voters toss her out on her ass?

416 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:49:16am

Huffington Post commentators on the NYC terrorists:

Are we all supposed to be scared? Relieved? Happy?

Does anyone have any details about why they wanted to do this? Who they were?

What do we really know about this?

After all we know about conspiracies, lies to the media, and investigations about incidents that revealed the truth AFTER the official story was published - should we automatically believe that everything in this story is true?

Inquiring minds want to know...


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am glad the majority of the posts so far see it for what it is: An F8I setup from a to z.; They recruited, coached, provoked, planned, then provided with all criminalizing evidences to make a story. They have done it 4 or 5 times so far.


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This whole story stinks.

I can't believe the media isn't questioning it.


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yet another reason to stop funding israel and to impose sanctions . . . israel is brreeding a new kjind of anti-semitism . . . which really is anti-zionism/anti-israel .. but most people unfortunately cannot make that distinction . . . neither can most of the MSM . . .

in the past our government has said . . . we have to fight in Vietnam to keep America safe for democracy, etc etc . . .we have to fight here there and everywhere to keep America safe . . . blah blah . . . aside from the fact that the peace protesters have always been right . . .

fhe failed foreign policy of our government has been coming back to us for a while now . . it is time to wake up and change our failed foreign policies . . in regards to Cuba and towards the Middle East especially . . . accept the warming and work towards peace . . workign towards peace in the Middle East is not supporting the rogue state of israel and supplying it with weapons to committ genocide


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A number of comments have been deleted due to blatant antisemitism.

417 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:49:46am

re: #411 Fluffy Bunny

If you do, will you please let him know that he is missed? Thanks, Walter.

Sure will, Realwest emailed me yesterday asking the same question. Like I say, I just supposed that he was busy after the funeral and he would check in when he could.

But, I will call today.

418 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:49:54am

re: #414 Killgore Trout

I finally got around to watching the defacto Tea Party spokesman's new video...
“Thomas Paine”: An open letter to Barack Obama

AP points out that he one of those nutty isolationist Paulians. He also make a creepy statement about the country being run by ethnic special interests.

Great, just great. WTH are we supposed to do now?

419 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:50:39am

re: #413 3 wood

I cut up all my credit cards a few months ago.

420 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:51:20am

re: #416 MJ

I never visit that site. In fact, now that I have read that, I feel the need to shower vigorously.

I pity the ignorant.

421 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:51:54am

re: #418 Ward Cleaver

I have no idea.

422 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:07am

Iran's Nuclear Shopping List

In testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that was largely ignored by the media, the legendary Manhattan District Attorney opened a window on how Iran is secretly obtaining the ingredients for an arsenal of mass destruction. Mr. Morgenthau, whose recent cases have exposed illicit Iranian finance and procurement networks, has discovered what he calls "Iran's shopping list for materials related to weapons of mass destruction." They add up to "literally thousands of records."

Missile accuracy appears to be a key Iranian goal. In one of Mr. Morgenthau's cases -- the prosecution of Chinese citizen Li Fang Wei and his LIMMT company for allegedly scamming Manhattan banks to slip past sanctions on Iran -- the DA uncovered a list that included 400 sophisticated gyroscopes and 600 accelerometers. These are critical for developing accurate long-range missiles. He also found that Iran was acquiring a rare metal called tantalum, "used in those roadside bombs that are being used against our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan." So much for the media notion that Iran has played no part in killing American GIs.

Mr. Morgenthau also noted that the material shipped by LIMMT "included 15,000 kilograms of a specialized aluminum alloy used almost exclusively in long-range missile production; 1,700 kilograms of graphite cylinders used for banned electrical discharge machines which are used in converting uranium; more than 30,000 kilograms of tungsten-copper plates; 200 pieces of tungsten-copper alloy hollow cylinders, all used for missiles; 19,000 kilograms of tungsten metal powder, and 24,500 kilograms of maraging steel rods . . . especially hardened steel suitable for long-range missiles."

Lest anyone think that these materials may have innocent uses, Mr. Morgenthau added that "we have consulted with top experts in the field from MIT and from private industry and from the CIA. . . . Frankly, some of the people we've consulted are shocked by the sophistication of the equipment they're buying."

RTWFT!

423 Miss Trixie  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:16am

re: #404 Kenneth

Winnipeg also has two seasons: winter and mosquitoes.

*shudder*

I'm no fan of Winterpeg.

*cumulative case of the deep chills*

424 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:18am

re: #413 3 wood

Thanks for that 3wood! It appears that the banks have jumped the gun and increased rates. My notice came yesterday.

CHANGE...yippee!/

425 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:28am

re: #413 3 wood

Sounds like it'll be international too, and that's bad because over here in Manila we don't have debit cards that work online (unless I can head over to the country's only Chase center to prod them for a new WaMu Mastercard or something).

426 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:38am

re: #418 Ward Cleaver

Great, just great. WTH are we supposed to do now?

have a Snickers

427 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:53:08am

re: #418 Ward Cleaver

Great, just great. WTH are we supposed to do now?

Keep aware of some of the possible wacko associations that are trying to hang their hats on the Tea Party events and other similar organizations. Makes sense to me to be careful.

428 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:53:32am

re: #408 FrogMarch

Hope and change? Obama provided hope for homeowners, and only one showed up. One homeowner.

Obama's out of touch, and revamping that program isn't going to cut it. There was no reason anyone would want to participate in the program, and the fact that just one person has done so in six months speaks volumes.

429 Creeping Eruption  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:53:36am

re: #420 rightside

I never visit that site. In fact, now that I have read that, I feel the need to shower vigorously.

I pity the ignorant.

Pity the truly ignorant, deride the willfully ignorant.

430 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:54:19am

re: #417 Walter L. Newton

Sure will, Realwest emailed me yesterday asking the same question. Like I say, I just supposed that he was busy after the funeral and he would check in when he could.

But, I will call today.

I just sent him and email. Lets see if he shows up here shortly.

431 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:55:03am

good morning lizards :)

432 Miss Trixie  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:55:12am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I cut up all my credit cards a few months ago.

Morning KT.

I just finished paying mine off and have a nice big goose egg for a balance on my last statement.

Yee-hawww!

What a relief!

433 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:55:14am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I cut up all my credit cards a few months ago.

To avoid annual fees and the like, if the company institutes them, you'll need to cancel your cards, not just cut them up.

In writing. And keep a dated copy of each cancellation letter you send.

But you probably knew that.

434 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:55:17am

BTW, now that more details are emerging about the NYC terror plot, the four arrested weren't just alleged terrorists - they were caught literally red handed. They were arrested as they were placing what they believed were cars rigged with active C4 at the synagogues in the Bronx and another member of the group was preparing to take out a military aircraft at Stewart AFB. They had the intention, motivation, and desire to engage in mass murder in pursuit of jihad.

435 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:56:25am

re: #433 lurking faith

Indeed, I pay off all my credit cards at the end of the month, and only regularly use two cards. If the credit card companies start instituting additional fees (beyond what AMEX already charges for one of the cards I use), I will be cutting them up and canceling those accounts.

436 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:56:34am

re: #416 MJ

Good scoop, but after visiting HuffPo you are ordered by LGF health officials to report to the delousing station. That place is filthy.

437 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:56:59am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I cut up all my credit cards a few months ago.

Make sure you send them a notice of cancellation via registered mail or they will charge you the annual fee, and then start charging interest on that.

438 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:57:12am

re: #416 MJ

IINNNSAAAHD JAAAWB.

/ hurrdurrhurr

439 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:57:26am

Gurkhas finally get justice:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Joanna Lumley (Ab Fab) is still looking good as well.

440 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:57:48am

Pentagon holding back report showing 1 in 7 freed Gitmo detainees returned to terrorism


Two administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said the report was being held up by Defense Department employees fearful of upsetting the White House, at a time when even Congressional Democrats have begun to show misgivings over Mr. Obama’s plan to close Guantánamo…
441 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:01am

re: #402 Erik The Red

Dusty is doing OK. He has been quiet since his sister has passed,but has been on LGF. He is active on his facebook page.

Prayers for him, his sister's soul, and his family.

442 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:43am

re: #413 3 wood

Bank of America has been slashing credit limits for everybody. "To serve your needs better."

In other words, they're dinging your credit score a bit, and pretending they're doing you a favor.

443 ConservatismNow!  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:57am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

Just heard on the radio, lawmakers looking to a BEER TAX of 2 dollars per case to raise revenue.

Is this only domestic beer or all beer sales?

444 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:58am

re: #424 Fluffy Bunny

Thanks for that 3wood! It appears that the banks have jumped the gun and increased rates. My notice came yesterday.

They knew it was coming, they can count votes too. This takes away their flexibility to do a tiered price structure, so they will just jack up the price on everybody.

445 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:59:02am

re: #426 albusteve

have a Snickers

Snickers satisfies!

446 laZardo  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:59:30am

re: #440 Kenneth

"Well, they wouldn't have gone 'into' terrorism if they weren't brought to Gitmo in the first place!"

/a shrug, a dismissive wipe, and the matter is put behind us.

447 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:59:53am

re: #443 ConservatismNow!

Is this only domestic beer or all beer sales?

They didn't say.

448 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:00:15am

re: #439 Jimmah

Gurkhas finally get justice:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Joanna Lumley (Ab Fab) is still looking good as well.

What else was she in? I seem to remember an older Britcom, or maybe even a drama.

449 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:01:54am

re: #442 lurking faith

Bank of America has been slashing credit limits for everybody. "To serve your needs better."

In other words, they're dinging your credit score a bit, and pretending they're doing you a favor.

When you take into account that the fees will be going up, it raises the Rate of Return they get on their credit exposure.

450 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:02:26am

re: #436 Kenneth

Good scoop, but after visiting HuffPo you are ordered by LGF health officials to report to the delousing station. That place is filthy.

Many of the truly revoloting comments have been deleted which is some progess I guess.
These folks weave more conspiracy theories than Glenn Beck and Alex Jones combined.

451 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:02:31am

FYI: Fleet Week 2009 underway in NYC metro area... today's flying action includes a parachute drop around Liberty Island and a Helicopter display around Staten Island.

452 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:02:54am

back stabbing hypocrit...how does he justify this to the Ameriac people?


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

453 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:03:37am

re: #448 Ward Cleaver

What else was she in? I seem to remember an older Britcom, or maybe even a drama.

She was in Coronation Street, and I remember she was in one of the Miss Marple TV productions. Probably lots of other things as well.

454 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:04:07am

re: #437 3 wood

I've been wondering about that. Both of my cards expired and I never activated the new cards. I didn't want to cancel because I hear that it screws up your credit rating. I figure they can't bill me a yearly fee on a card that hasn't been activated so I think I'm safe but I'm not sure about that.

455 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:04:20am

re: #400 lawhawk

It's the voters fault that they elected nitwits who can't count and think that taxpayers are a bottomless piggy bank that they can grab without regard to logic or the consequences.

Yeah, but what do you expect a liberal like her to say? If she admitted the public rejected her worldview, even in part, she'd have to face that she's just a hack, not some defender of the people. She probably doesn't have the strength for that admission.

456 freetoken  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:05:00am

re: #452 albusteve

Don't understand your point.

Would you rather have the Russians or the French be helping the UAE?

457 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:05:03am

re: #439 Jimmah

Good News!

458 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:05:11am

Iranian TV: Swine Flu - A Zionist/American Conspiracy

Bonus paranoia: Donald Rumsfeld is in on the plot!

459 ConservatismNow!  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:05:31am

re: #447 Walter L. Newton

I buy mostly imported beer. It's already expensive. A 2 dollar per case tax is a lot.

460 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:06:12am

re: #449 3 wood

When you take into account that the fees will be going up, it raises the Rate of Return they get on their credit exposure.

Yes, I know.

If they have to improve their rate of return vs. credit exposure, I can understand that. But it pisses me off that they pretend they're doing it for my benefit, when it's entirely for their own benefit and actually could be damaging to me.

461 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:06:47am

re: #413 3 wood

Good morning.

With regard to the credit card legislation, I would look for several changes in how banks operate their credit card agreements:

1. The rates for their "good" customers will be raised to subsidize the higher rates they have typically charged to their more risky customers.

2. Annual fee charges will jump.

3. Interest will get charged from the date of transaction, eliminating the grace period.

As a result, you will see some customers including corporations shift to using a debit card, cash, blanket purchase orders and checks instead of their credit cards. That will create the unintended consequence of adverse selection, and the remaining credit card users will see ever increasing costs as the pool of users becomes smaller and smaller.

I fully expect to see headlines that say "Women and minorities hurt worst".

No surprise. The bill is economically illiterate. It's classic feel-good legislation: The pols get to bask in the glory of their slay the dragon, while responsible citizen have to clean up the mess.

462 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:14am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've been wondering about that. Both of my cards expired and I never activated the new cards. I didn't want to cancel because I hear that it screws up your credit rating. I figure they can't bill me a yearly fee on a card that hasn't been activated so I think I'm safe but I'm not sure about that.


You are not safe from annual fees as long as you still have the accounts.

463 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:24am

re: #456 freetoken

Don't understand your point.

Would you rather have the Russians or the French be helping the UAE?

we need reactors here...our energy needs are growing too and I don't see any offers to subsidize UAE solar capabilities...it stinks, buy influence at the same time he ignores us

464 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:33am

re: #413 3 wood
Good morning my friend - I suspect you're correct on all of those points - but really, if someone can afford to pay for something, using a credit card only made sense where one wouldn't want to carry a great deal of cash on them, IMO. Besides which, the Bush administration made changes to the bankruptcy code in 2005 (took effect in 206) making it MUCH HARDER to discharge credit card debt in a bankruptcy - so why these new changes? Was the CC industry in deep trouble?

465 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:52am

Pound Slides as S&P Signals Britain May Lose Top Debt Rating


Britain would become the fifth western European Union nation to lose its rating because of the economic slump, following Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain. The U.K. plans to sell a record 220 billion pounds of bonds in the fiscal year through March 2010 as the recession cuts revenue and forces the government to raise spending.

“We have revised the outlook on the U.K. to negative due to our view that, even assuming additional fiscal tightening, the net general government debt burden could approach 100 percent of gross domestic product and remain near that level in the medium term,” S&P analysts led by David Beers in London, said in a report today.


Yikes!

466 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:56am

re: #460 lurking faith

Yes, I know.

If they have to improve their rate of return vs. credit exposure, I can understand that. But it pisses me off that they pretend they're doing it for my benefit, when it's entirely for their own benefit and actually could be damaging to me.

True. Sometimes its best to just admit your motives are selfish. If the bank needs to increase profits for its own survival, it would be better just admitting it.

467 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:09:37am

Well, it's been pleasant, but I have to run and get things done today.

{lizardia}

468 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:10:25am

re: #462 lurking faith

You are not safe from annual fees as long as you still have the accounts.

Hmmm...Maybe I'd better call them then.

469 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:10:27am

A turn for the dangerous

The standoff between Israel and Iran became even more dangerous today, with Tehran's successful test of a medium-range, solid-fueled missile.

With a maximum range of 1,200 miles, the Sajjil-2 is capable of hitting striking Israel, much of the Middle East and some locations in southeastern Europe. Tehran says that the missile has an advanced navigation system, making it more accurate than its predecessors.

Solid-fuel is far less volatile and can be stored in the missile airframe for longer periods of time. Elimination of fuel trucks and other support vehicles reduces the operational signature, making it easier for the missile crew to remain undetected. And, most importantly, a solid-fueled system has a much shorter response time, making it ideally-suited for a surprise attack.

Fist still clenched, Obama.

470 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #434 lawhawk

Haven't you been following the comments in 416 LH, it was an FBI setup from a to z. sheesh ...

Those huffpo people are off their rockers.

Morning all.

471 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:10:39am

re: #439 Jimmah

Gurkhas finally get justice:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Joanna Lumley (Ab Fab) is still looking good as well.

I was given one of These for my 30th Birthday. What a weapon.

472 Buck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:12:03am

Hitler's European Holocaust Helpers

The Germans are responsible for the industrial-scale mass murder of 6 million Jews. But the collusion of other European countries in the Holocaust has received surprisingly little attention until recently. The trial of John Demjanjuk is set to throw a spotlight on Hitler's foreign helpers.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

I am kinda liking SPIEGEL...

473 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:12:26am

re: #463 albusteve

we need reactors here...our energy needs are growing too and I don't see any offers to subsidize UAE solar capabilities...it stinks, buy influence at the same time he ignores us

To be fair, that's not fully Obama's fault. The UAE doesn't have Green faction who strangle any proposed nuclear projects in a forest of red tape and lawsuits. Obama would gain little near and mid-term benefits by calling for nuclear power here and he would alienate his base. Thus, it is not his interest to do so.

474 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:12:36am

re: #444 3 wood

I wonder when they will do away with "rewards"? Our favorite card is the GM card, and of course we have a couple of thousand GM dollars sitting on it, waiting to be used. Our vehicles are paid for and we are enjoying no car payments, so it looks like we will lose the "reward" either way...GM bankruptcy or new credit card legislation. *sigh*

475 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:15:00am

More...

For Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the implications of today's test couldn't be more clear. The same missile that can now deliver chemical or biological weapons with minimal warning will some day be outfitted with a nuclear warhead. Meanwhile, President Obama has stated that he will give Iran "until the end of this year" to change its ways, or face the possibility of new sanctions. The Iranian missile test had been planned for several months, but it offered a dramatic retort to Mr. Obama's plan.

As for Mr. Netanyahu, he doesn't have the luxury of time--or geography.

Note: There is little point to spending billions of dollars to develop medium range solid fuel missiles in order to arm the relatively small warheads with conventional explosives. The only conceivable military use of these missiles is to arm them with WMD: chemical, biological or nuclear warheads.

476 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:15:28am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, that's not fully Obama's fault. The UAE doesn't have Green faction who strangle any proposed nuclear projects in a forest of red tape and lawsuits. Obama would gain little near and mid-term benefits by calling for nuclear power here and he would alienate his base. Thus, it is not his interest to do so.

correct...he champions his own interests rather than those of the country

477 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:15:49am

I watched that Thomas Paine video again; he mention "ethnic special interests" and "foreign ethnic nationals" a few times. I'm not up on all the Paulianian racist buzzwords but that is a very creepy video.

478 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:15:59am

Oh great, 3W says I'm going to get reamed on my credit cards. The refinance is in escrow right now. As soon as I get the money all cards are getting paid off and promptly cut up (well maybe I'll keep one just in case).

479 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:17:03am

Hope and Change!

Man's bomb threat at Dallas apartment complex lands him in jail

A 33-year-old man arrested after he threatened to blow up his far northeast Dallas apartment had electrical circuits and wires known to be used for explosive devices, according to police documents.

Dallas police made the discovery when they arrested Motalekgose Mothuse Valela shortly after 11 p.m. Tuesday following a four-hour standoff at the Forest Hill Apartments in the 9600 block of Forest Lane, near Interstate 635. Police have said they did not find an actual explosive device in the apartment. Valela was being held on a hoax bomb charge Wednesday night at the Dallas County Jail, where his bail was set at $1,500...


...Valela – who appears to have no prior criminal convictions – was arrested within minutes. As he was being escorted to a patrol car, the documents said, he stated: "President Obama will send me a check to pay my rent next week." ...

480 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:17:27am

Hey y'all - just thought I'd ask for some assistance here.
NYC is planning on allowing a developer to build a truly UGLY skyscraper in NYC which will have the effect of blocking the view of the Brooklyn Bridge - one of the prettiest bridges in the world. I know some of y'all hate NYC with a passion and don't give a damn, but that's the bridge we marched over on May 7, 1985 to commenorate the 10 year anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War and our all finally coming home and over One Million NYC folk took time off from work to come out and cheer us on! I'd appreciate it if you would sign the petition to stop the building at :[Link: www.savethebrooklynbridge.org...]
It's bad enough we have a President who is SO ignorant of American History, please help to save a significant part of it - the view of the Brooklyn Bridge!
And NO you don't have to live in NYC to sign the petition and it's FREE!
Thankew very much.

481 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:18:07am

re: #469 Kenneth

Obama's unwillingness or inability to understand that Iran is not listening to him, will not listen to him, and have no interest in anything he says will mean the death of thousands if Israel doesn't take care of business on their own.

For once, there really is a "deadline" to talks and it's coming a lot faster than the O seems willing to acknowledge. Iran is in the driver's seat simply because they grabbed the wheel. Obama is content to sit in the backseat and whine.

482 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:18:53am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've been wondering about that. Both of my cards expired and I never activated the new cards. I didn't want to cancel because I hear that it screws up your credit rating. I figure they can't bill me a yearly fee on a card that hasn't been activated so I think I'm safe but I'm not sure about that.

Once you had the account open, regardless of if a given issued card expired, they will likely ding you for an account maintenance.

Call them and check

483 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:20:22am

re: #480 realwest

Done.

484 redstateredneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:20:45am

re: #480 realwest

Signed it, {real}
On my one trip to New York, the Brooklyn Bridge was one of the landmarks we looked for.

485 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:05am

re: #476 albusteve

correct...he champions his own interests rather than those of the country

In his eyes, and with his ego, he thinks that the good of the country is tied to his own good. His actions are also based, once again, on Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals: Obama takes actions that increase his own power, and avoids actions that diminish it.

486 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:08am

re: #481 Lincolntf

...Obama is content to sit in the backseat and whine.

Except he's not just whining. He's blaming Israel while trying to set up a terror state on the West Bank and Gaza.

487 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:13am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, that's not fully Obama's fault. The UAE doesn't have Green faction who strangle any proposed nuclear projects in a forest of red tape and lawsuits. Obama would gain little near and mid-term benefits by calling for nuclear power here and he would alienate his base. Thus, it is not his interest to do so.

And if they did have a Green faction, their princes would take care of them.

488 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:55am

re: #470 turn

Indeed I have, having read Jammie's summation of the situation. These are the same mo-rons who were busy saying that the Fort Dix Six were set up; that the Lackawanna Six were set up, and all the other terror plots thwarted since 9/11 were setups, but in the end of the day, we've got convictions, plea deals, and admissions from the terrorists that yes - they wanted to engage in jihad and engage in mass murder.

489 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:59am

re: #480 realwest

done...I've walked across from Brooklyn a couple of times...it is a marvel

490 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:22:12am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

I watched that Thomas Paine video again; he mention "ethnic special interests" and "foreign ethnic nationals" a few times. I'm not up on all the Paulianian racist buzzwords but that is a very creepy video.

Ron Paul has a stinking streak of crypto-Fascist racism. Charles once ran a photo of Paul shaking hands with white supremacist Don Black.

491 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:22:39am

re: #464 realwest

Good morning my friend - I suspect you're correct on all of those points - but really, if someone can afford to pay for something, using a credit card only made sense where one wouldn't want to carry a great deal of cash on them, IMO. Besides which, the Bush administration made changes to the bankruptcy code in 2005 (took effect in 206) making it MUCH HARDER to discharge credit card debt in a bankruptcy - so why these new changes? Was the CC industry in deep trouble?

I've used credit cards in lieu of cash just cause I found it more convenient to do so and the monthly statement helped me document my deductible expenses.

The reason for the change is the Democrats think they are making things affordable for their voting base and transferring costs to "the rich".

"The rich" will just use cash and debit cards instead.

492 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:22:43am

re: #486 MJ

Maybe I should have aid Hillary is the one whining. I heard her last night mewling about the missile test being "unhelpful"' or some such twaddle.

493 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:22:50am

re: #480 realwest

Done rw.

494 Buck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:23:04am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've been wondering about that. Both of my cards expired and I never activated the new cards. I didn't want to cancel because I hear that it screws up your credit rating. I figure they can't bill me a yearly fee on a card that hasn't been activated so I think I'm safe but I'm not sure about that.

What I am doing is first calling and reducing the credit available amount on the cards to the minimum ($500) and then waiting six months to cancel. I understand the credit score hit is only bad if it is a large amount.

495 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:24:07am

re: #465 Killgore Trout
Yep and Moody's indicated that next year US Treasury Bonds will probably lose their Triple A credit rating due to our National Debt exceeding 60% of our GNP.
Are we having fun yet, President Obama? Still think you can raise taxes and print phantom money to get out of the recession?
Oh and btw, Killgore, regarding your #468, y'all ought to write them or they can deny ever hearing from you (plus I'd bet that the credit card agreement says you can only cancel by writing).

496 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:24:14am

With the new credit card regs and all I am thrilled I've been cash only since last July, paid off $20K in debt and will be debt free by June 19.

497 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:24:15am

re: #488 lawhawk

Bush drove them to do it, because we invaded Iraq for oil.

498 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:24:23am

re: #465 Killgore Trout

That is an example of where we are heading.

499 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #480 realwest

I can't actually agree with you on this real. The vantage from which the Brooklyn bridge gets blocked is from a parking lot and several recently converted lofts who spent considerable sums for their own views of the Brooklyn Bridge. Now, the new building will have those very views.

It's not exactly something I can get worked up over.

The mess at Ground Zero and ongoing trouble getting the Port Authority and Silverstein Properties to get their collective ass in gear is far more dear to my heart.

500 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:25:19am

re: #483 Fluffy Bunny
Thank you very much!
The NYC Council is apparently voting on this monstrosity this morning!

501 Erik The Red  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:25:20am

Heading home via the pub. Later Lizards.

502 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:25:27am

re: #492 Lincolntf

Maybe I should have aid Hillary is the one whining. I heard her last night mewling about the missile test being "unhelpful"' or some such twaddle.

That's sounds like the State Department all right. Whenever they say "helpful" they mean a reality-based event that intrudes upon their vision for a world free of conflict.

503 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:26:23am

re: #500 realwest

Thank you very much!
The NYC Council is apparently voting on this monstrosity this morning!

got a link to a picture of it?

504 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:26:30am

re: #488 lawhawk

Oh jamiewearingfool, thanks I'll go check him out LH.

505 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:26:48am

re: #500 realwest

Thank you very much!
The NYC Council is apparently voting on this monstrosity this morning!

It will probably pass... It's all about the developers here now... They have free reign with Bloomberg in power.

506 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:27:59am

re: #474 Fluffy Bunny

I wonder when they will do away with "rewards"? Our favorite card is the GM card, and of course we have a couple of thousand GM dollars sitting on it, waiting to be used. Our vehicles are paid for and we are enjoying no car payments, so it looks like we will lose the "reward" either way...GM bankruptcy or new credit card legislation. *sigh*

You might get them replaced with "ObamaMotors" dollars.

They will have a hammer and sickle on them.

507 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:28:22am

re: #498 3 wood

You mentioned it the other day. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

508 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:29:41am

re: #506 3 wood

You might get them replaced with "ObamaMotors" dollars.

They will have a hammer and sickle on them.

Good to see you 3Wood... Are yu now 100% convinced that Obama is a socialist and that Hope and Change is just the pathway to a socialist America?

509 ConservatismNow!  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:29:55am

re: #497 rightside

Bush drove them to do it, because we invaded Iraq for oil.

Speaking of oil, as a member of the evil Republican conspiracy, I have not received my monthly oil barrel stipend. Perhaps it's been delayed. Did you get yours?

510 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:30:13am

re: #499 lawhawk Well I'll take partial agreement from you then - actually the design I've seen will block the view of the Brooklyn side tower for about 8-10 blocks.
And you are of course right - the damn Freedom Tower should have already been built. And I can't lay this all on Silverstein by any stretch of the imagination. As has become typical in NYC and the US, there are too many layers of too many bureaucracies and too many different governmental layers to go through to get approval and work started (much less completed) on anything anymore anywhere in NYC or this Country.

511 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:30:33am

re: #509 ConservatismNow!

Speaking of oil, as a member of the evil Republican conspiracy, I have not received my monthly oil barrel stipend. Perhaps it's been delayed. Did you get yours?

It's in the mail, along with your monthly retainer from the Vast Zionist Conspiracy.

512 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:30:52am

re: #506 3 wood

LOL...crying...LOL! : )

But, I wanted my Obama dollars to have his picture on them./

513 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:30:53am

re: #480 realwest

I know some of y'all hate NYC with a passion and don't give a damn,

Just the Yankees real, just the Yankees.

514 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:31:00am

WHO FAVORS a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict?

President Obama does, of course, as he made clear in welcoming Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House on Monday. So does former president George W. Bush, who began advocating Palestinian statehood in 2002 and continued until his final days in office. The Democratic Party's national platform endorses a two-state solution; the Republican platform does, too. The UN Security Council unanimously reaffirmed its support a few days ago, and the European Union is strongly in favor as well.

Pope Benedict XVI called for a Palestinian state during his recent visit to the Holy Land, thereby aligning himself - on this issue, at least - with the editorial boards of The Boston Globe, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Los Angeles Times. And, for that matter, with most Israelis. A new poll shows 58 percent of the Israeli public backing a two-state solution; prominent supporters include Netanyahu's three predecessors - former prime ministers Ehud Olmert, Ariel Sharon, and Ehud Barak - as well as president Shimon Peres.

The consensus, it would seem, is overwhelming. As Henri Guaino, a senior adviser to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, put it on Sunday: "Everyone wants peace. The whole world wants a Palestinian state."

It isn't going to happen.

International consensus or no, the two-state solution is a chimera. Peace will not be achieved by granting sovereignty to the Palestinians, because Palestinian sovereignty has never been the Arabs' goal. Time and time again, a two-state solution has been proposed. Time and time again, the Arabs have turned it down.

...To this day, the charters of Hamas and Fatah, the two main Palestinian factions, call for Israel's liquidation. "The whole world" may want peace and a Palestinian state, but the Palestinians want something very different. Until that changes, there is no two-state solution.

515 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:31:36am

Good morning, all.

Anyone listening to the President who is now speaking on national security?

516 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:31:51am

re: #509 ConservatismNow!

Darth Cheney personally delivered it to my secret underground bunker. I thanked the chimperor personally, via my cabalphone™

517 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:31:56am

re: #503 albusteve
Link to a photo of what? The Brooklyn Bridge or what the new building will look like? If y'all go to the link I put out there you'll see the proposesed building (notice it's not a ground level shot) and for photos of the Brooklyn Bridge, just google it!

518 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #491 3 wood

I've used credit cards in lieu of cash just cause I found it more convenient to do so and the monthly statement helped me document my deductible expenses.

The reason for the change is the Democrats think they are making things affordable for their voting base and transferring costs to "the rich".

"The rich" will just use cash and debit cards instead.

One friend of mine uses a credit card to pay everything except his mortgage, so he can get tons of points for airline miles, gift cards, etc. Guess that will go away now.

519 3 wood  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:32:20am

re: #508 tfc3rid

Good to see you 3Wood... Are yu now 100% convinced that Obama is a socialist and that Hope and Change is just the pathway to a socialist America?

Yep. Pretty much always was but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So is the MSM by the way.

520 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:32:20am

re: #13 ladycatnip

With all the grief Quayle got over misspelling potato, you gotta wonder how Biden gets away with gaffe and gaffe after gaffe - especially the one on the campaign trail about Roosevelt going on television to calm the American people after the 1929 crash. Is it senility?

It is the product of a media establishment, which rather than being a watchdog for the American people, has become a junkyard dog guarding the interests of the Democratic Party. And like any good junkyard dog, it will tear to shreds any threat to its master.
The junkyard dog needs to be put down. Put all the bastards out of business.

521 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:32:29am

re: #515 rw in san diego

My breakfast is wholly undigested, so, no.

522 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:32:54am

re: #521 rightside

LOL!

523 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:33:20am

re: #514 Kenneth

WHO FAVORS a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict?

It's amazing that an Israel-hating publication like the Boston Globe has Jeff Jacoby on staff.

524 dingleB  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:33:23am

re: #471 Erik The Red

That is great news! A little real justice in the world does a body good. I briefly served with 42 Commando in Norway. These guys had just come back from the Falklands, they had nothing but praise for the 1/7 Gurkhas.

I got one too, for a wedding gift no less, the wife just shook her head.

525 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:33:41am

re: #505 tfc3rid Good morning my friend - well in the economic doldrums we are currently and will, for the forseable future, have to endure, I think the permission to build may be given but since occupancy levels are at their worst in NYC, I'm not so sure how quickly it will be built.

526 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:33:45am

Mainstreaming fascism...
'BNP invited to Queen's party'

THE leader of the far-right British National Party is to be a guest at a garden party hosted by the Queen, his colleague claimed today.

Nick Griffin will accompany Richard Barnbrook, a BNP member of the London Assembly, as his guest at the Buckingham Palace event on July 21, Mr Barnbrook said.

All members of the Assembly have been invited to the event.

Mr Barnbrook added: "I imagine there will be a to-do and a hoot.

"These things are going to happen more and more as the party goes forward."

Lovely.
/

527 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:33:50am

re: #513 3 wood

Just the Yankees real, just the Yankees.

3 Wood... Your White Sox just acquired Jake Peavy from San Diego...

528 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:34:47am

re: #527 tfc3rid

Nooo!

529 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #513 3 wood
Jealousy and envy are not pretty, 3 wood, not at all!
But you keep on rooting for the Cub's - they appreciate your money support!
:)

530 aggieann  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #435 lawhawk

Indeed, I pay off all my credit cards at the end of the month, and only regularly use two cards. If the credit card companies start instituting additional fees (beyond what AMEX already charges for one of the cards I use), I will be cutting them up and canceling those accounts.

I can't understand how the strategists at cc companies failed to realize that this is exactly what will happen.

531 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:35:13am

re: #525 realwest

Good morning my friend - well in the economic doldrums we are currently and will, for the forseable future, have to endure, I think the permission to build may be given but since occupancy levels are at their worst in NYC, I'm not so sure how quickly it will be built.

Real... There are a lot of high hire condos going up right now along the Greenpoint/Williamsburg waterfront... they will be so overpriced they will be empty... There is a lot of construction going on but these buildings will have low occupancy...

532 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #528 rw in san diego

Nooo!

Per Jon Heyman... Deal is awaiting Peavy's approval...

533 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:35:50am

re: #517 realwest

Link to a photo of what? The Brooklyn Bridge or what the new building will look like? If y'all go to the link I put out there you'll see the proposesed building (notice it's not a ground level shot) and for photos of the Brooklyn Bridge, just google it!

the new building...I only get the petition from the link, no pics...I've got plenty of my own pics of the Bridge

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:37:13am

Hungry! Gonna have a fauxloney sandwich. mmm.

535 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:38:07am

re: #515 rw in san diego
Good morning rw - nope, I NEVER listen to him. Well except for his bs speech at Notre Dame which Mom wanted to watch and wanted me to watch with her. And she - who HATES his policies - thought he gave a great speech! Thank God me and Michael Steele reminded her that his "coming together with other religions as a community organizer" didn't teach him to leave Rev Wright's Hate White People church!

536 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:38:58am

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fauxloney? I am afraid to ask ... but I must...WTH?

537 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:39:13am

Obama: "I banned the use of enhanced interrogation techniques at Guantanamo"

538 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:39:37am

I thought that quote was attributed to Al Gore. Oh well...
BHO speaking, still doesn't get it: he thinks it's about him.

539 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:39:37am

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hungry! Gonna have a fauxloney sandwich. mmm.

What is that. It sounds good?

540 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:39:39am

This is a very scary speech by our President, in my opinion. He just accused the Bush administration of instituting policies that were 'neither sustainable nor effective' in protecting national security.

541 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:39:42am

Morning, everyone. I so wish I could start my Memorial Day weekend today, but it is not going to happen.

I still cannot get into that PC's BIOS no matter what I do. I think the motherboard has been damaged, but I honestly don't want to pull the machine out just before the big weekend. I think I'll wait a few weeks until the lab has a big break and then I'll take it out and replace it.

542 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:40:05am

How many are standing in line to buy an Obamamobile?
Raise your hands!
Obama at the Auto Buffet
With no resistance, he ate the whole thing.

...So far, the Obama administration has yet to lay out its magical thinking on how the homegrown auto makers are to become "viable" when required to subordinate every auto attribute that consumers find desirable in favor of achieving a passenger-car average of 39 miles per gallon by 2016. Nonetheless the answer has quietly seeped out: Taxpayers will write $5,000 or $7,000 rebate checks to other taxpayers to bribe them to buy hybrids and plug-ins at a price that lets Detroit claim it's earning a "profit" on its Obamamobiles.

Mr. Obama was supposed to be smart. His administration was supposed to be a smart administration. But the policy coming out has not been smart. It has been a brute shifting of power to the president's political allies, justified by the shibboleths of copybook liberalism (though Mr. Obama is clever enough to know that nothing he's done will have a meaningful effect on atmospheric carbon or climate change or the country's need for oil imports).

With no overarching philosophy in evidence, the art of the possible has come to define the Obama administration. One thing that has proved possible is an untrammeled power grab over the auto industry. Yet it all seems mainly to testify to the limitations of Saul Alinsky as a political philosopher. The doyen of community organizing, his views profoundly influenced Mr. Obama. The late Alinsky was unsentimental about power, and about accumulating it in order to extract from "the system" benefits for his constituents.

But a president also has to represent the system. He has to care about whether the setup is sustainable and ultimately meets a nation's needs and reflects its values. In delivering unlimited sway over the domestic auto makers to the greens and labor, Mr. Obama is creating a catastrophically unbalanced "system" with no effective pushback on behalf of profits (aka "viability") -- that is, except from consumers, who ultimately will doom his attempt. How so? By declining to pay enough for the forthcoming Obamamobiles to cover the cost of designing and building them.


wow
whatta deal

543 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:40:09am

bbl

544 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:40:15am

re: #537 alegrias

Obama: "I banned the use of enhanced interrogation techniques at Guantanamo"

What the heh, he didn't call it torture?

545 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:41:36am

re: #540 rw in san diego

This is a very scary speech by our President, in my opinion. He just accused the Bush administration of instituting policies that were 'neither sustainable nor effective' in protecting national security.

Ummm... Right... Yeah, those policies really did not work...

546 Ateam  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:41:51am

re: #469 Kenneth

A turn for the dangerous


Fist still clenched, Obama.

At the same time (yesterday) Israel Anti-Ballistic-Missiles program -- Arrow 3 -- received significant acceleration when the American security system enters as partner of financing and professional development. It should be pointed out that all the last experiments were crowned successfully considerable. Also with regard to warheads split.

547 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:42:02am

re: #529 realwest

Jealousy and envy are not pretty, 3 wood, not at all!
But you keep on rooting for the Cub's - they appreciate your money support!
:)

SMACK! Rooting for the Cubs normally quite painful, but it is simply what is done in my part of Chicagoland.

And with that, I must leave. I've got to help out a friend in the Sox part of the county.

548 Buck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:42:23am

re: #404 Kenneth

Winnipeg also has two seasons: winter and mosquitoes.

Kenneth!

549 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:42:23am

Are we sure it wasn't Al Gore?
[Link: wbenton.tripod.com...]

550 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:42:28am

re: #540 rw in san diego

This is a very scary speech by our President, in my opinion. He just accused the Bush administration of instituting policies that were 'neither sustainable nor effective' in protecting national security.

Why is he using the terminology of today's environmental initiatives to refer to national security? That seems very odd.

551 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:43:04am

the minute the credit card companies start charging interest from the date of purchase, i'm out. the grace period to pay is part of what people have gotten used to and one of the conveniences that responsible c.c. users expect. what an obnoxious money grab, if the c.c. companies take away that incentive.
they are so foolish to think that we, who actually pay on time, will continue to
accept more and more financial burdens because they are losing money on their dead beats. they should learn how to run their businesses properly, not lean on their good customers to cover their mistakes.
i bet there will soon be massive cancellations of credit cards.
this is no different than penalizing a valued customer by charging them more
than any loser who walks in a shop to buy anything.
bad business.

552 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:43:11am

re: #544 turn

I bet he also spits in the wind, and tugs on Superman's cape.

553 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:43:46am

re: #531 tfc3rid Yes, I know, but those buildings were planned and consrtuction begun, long before the Stimulus Bill and Obama's proposed budget was released showing a 1.8 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.
And of course, low occupancy in Condo buildings means either the Sponsor will have to come up with the shortfall in common charges (can you spell bankruptcy for the Sponsor? I knew you could) and folks who buy into them are buying into potentially major league financial hardships.

554 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:44:16am

Ramirez today
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555 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:44:16am

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Sounds like there's tofu in there somewhere...

556 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:44:19am

re: #537 alegrias

Obama: "I banned the use of enhanced interrogation techniques at Guantanamo"

Bush already banned waterboarding in 2006, at the request of CIA Director Michael Hadley.

557 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:44:27am

re: #529 realwest

Jealousy and envy are not pretty, 3 wood, not at all!
But you keep on rooting for the Cub's - they appreciate your money support!
:)

And, on a related subject, Da Bears are still undefeated... at least until the season starts.
/ :)

558 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:44:44am

re: #540 rw in san diego

Did I miss an attack on our soil since 9/11, of that scale?

559 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:00am

re: #554 J.D.

Michael was our local newspaper's cartoonist until he hit the big time... we miss him 'cause they replaced him with a screaming moonbat.

560 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:03am

"A second decision I made is to close the military base at Guantanamo Bay"...in 7 years, three convictions...2/3 of the detainees kept there were released by the Bush Administration

There's no question that Guantanamo ...likely created more terrorists than it ever detained...

It sets us back...the costs of keeping it open far exceeds the...

That's why I... I... I...

COMING UP: FORMER VP DICK CHENEY'S SPEECH ON SECURITY

561 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:09am

re: #553 realwest

Overdevelopment is a huge problem here... Middle classers like myself are looking for an out...

562 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #560 alegrias

He's a lying sack of commie crap...

563 StillAMarine  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:45am

re: #480 realwest

DONE!

564 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:51am

re: #558 rightside

Maybe not, but the country has, many times, thanks to the system that the Bush administration set in place. Too bad BHO wants to dismantle it.

565 rightside  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:45:58am

re: #559 tradewind

Toles?

566 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:46:39am

re: #551 nyc redneck

the minute the credit card companies start charging interest from the date of purchase, i'm out. the grace period to pay is part of what people have gotten used to and one of the conveniences that responsible c.c. users expect. what an obnoxious money grab, if the c.c. companies take away that incentive.
they are so foolish to think that we, who actually pay on time, will continue to
accept more and more financial burdens because they are losing money on their dead beats. they should learn how to run their businesses properly, not lean on their good customers to cover their mistakes.
i bet there will soon be massive cancellations of credit cards.
this is no different than penalizing a valued customer by charging them more
than any loser who walks in a shop to buy anything.
bad business.

And they want a massive cancellation. They will use this to retain only financially robust clients, persons who have the expendable cash to afford these cards.

In the long run, the CC companies benefit, this does not hurt them at all.

Lean, trim and mean. Makes sense.

567 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:46:43am

re: #565 rightside

The lefty? Bill Day. /spit/

568 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:46:51am

re: #558 rightside

Did I miss an attack on our soil since 9/11, of that scale?

Yeah, the attack on our freedoms! The Bush Administration were as bad as the terrorists...

Always spoken by those who did not directly expereience the evil that day...

569 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:04am

re: #559 tradewind

Michael was our local newspaper's cartoonist until he hit the big time... we miss him 'cause they replaced him with a screaming moonbat.

He deserved to hit it big.
Sorry about your loss.

570 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:13am

Is anyone listening to this revisionist claptrap?

/TOTUS is just plain creepy

571 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:18am

re: #560 alegrias

There's no question that Guantanamo ...likely created more terrorists than it ever detained...

/Fighting back only creates more terrorists. The only solution is preemptive surrender!

572 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:18am

This speech is an unremitting attack on Bush policies but he's yet to say what he's going to do.

573 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:32am

re: #536 Fluffy Bunny

Tastes like Bologna. Same consistency as bologna. But no animals were harmed in the making of this sandwich. mmm

574 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:33am

re: #552 tradewind

I bet he also spits in the wind, and tugs on Superman's cape.

575 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:47:33am

re: #567 tradewind

Now that Obama is in Office, every day is "Bill" Day.

576 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:48:10am

re: #540 rw in san diego
Yeah, those Bush policies that were "'neither sustainable nor effective' in protecting national security." just kept the US safe from another terrorist attack for 7 years.
Obama is truly ignorant of even recent American History. Or, more likely, as I've said before, an empty-suited, Chicago street corner three card monte dealer: LOOK what's that over there!?

577 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:48:13am

o is reading words on the radio. i guess it is called a speech.
somehow, words strung together by o never seem like a speech.
just noise.

578 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:48:26am

Okay, so BHO thinks terrorism in the form of Al Q' combatants is not anything to be afraid of. Not scary.
What color is the sky in his world?

579 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:48:59am

re: #570 Killian Bundy

I know that references to "1984" are already overused, but Obama really does embody a lot of the things that Orwell was warning about.

580 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:49:16am

Three and a half more years of this assclown?

/you'll be begging for Bush back

581 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:49:17am

re: #542 J.D.
Good morning {J.D.} excellent comment and link, thank you!
How are you doing today?

582 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:49:29am

re: #570 Killian Bundy

Is anyone listening to this revisionist claptrap?

/TOTUS is just plain creepy

No, because I don't want to vomit on my keyboard, and I really am supposed to be working...

583 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:49:32am

re: #576 realwest

Hi realwest, hope you're well. I can't believe this speech. He lives in a different reality than I do.

584 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:49:43am

O is making a case for sending Gitmo terrorists to supermax prisons.

Oh brother!

585 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:01am

re: #579 Lincolntf

I know that references to "1984" are already overused, but Obama really does embody a lot of the things that Orwell was warning about.

Can you give me some examples?

586 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:08am

re: #560 alegrias

"A second decision I made is to close the military base at Guantanamo Bay"...in 7 years, three convictions...2/3 of the detainees kept there were released by the Bush Administration

There's no question that Guantanamo ...likely created more terrorists than it ever detained...

It sets us back...the costs of keeping it open far exceeds the...

That's why I... I... I...

COMING UP: FORMER VP DICK CHENEY'S SPEECH ON SECURITY

So he's speaking after 0bama? This ought to be good.

587 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:09am

re: #456 freetoken

Don't understand your point.

Would you rather have the Russians or the French be helping the UAE?

That kind of reasoning is amoral at best and has been used to justify support for all kinds of awful people and things.

Wherever there's a buck to be made, if we don't get in there then someone else will./

588 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:11am

re: #546 Ateam
Um, link please?

589 FrogMarch  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:22am

Obama-nomics.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them.

590 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:24am

"Nobody has ever escaped from one of our Supermax prisons"...
Tuggin' on superman's cape.
I bet there has been a hell of a lot of jihadi ideology spread around in those prisons, though. As if we need more.

591 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:50:44am

re: #573 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But what about the poor tofu? : )

592 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:51:10am

re: #584 NJDhockeyfan

O is making a case for sending Gitmo terrorists to supermax prisons.

Oh brother!

I can't even begin to fathom how he would justify that.

593 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:51:15am

re: #575 Lincolntf

Now that Obama is in Office, every day is "Bill" Day.

Did you see the new bill being proposed for a mandatory paid vacation time.

We are becoming Europe.

594 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:51:19am

Why will transferring the prisoners to US prisons act as a deterrent to terrorists and not be a recruitment tool for Al Qaeda?

595 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:51:21am

re: #533 albusteve

The view from Manhattan isn't going to change, only the view from some portions of DUMBO - the area between the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges on the Brooklyn side that changes. I can recall the complaints about the construction of the Watchtower projects on both sides of the Brooklyn bridge years back, and that never amounted to much in the way of an obstacle.

596 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:51:21am

re: #584 NJDhockeyfan

Where art they?

597 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:51:26am

I had plans for this morning, but I'm really interested in Cheney's speech to hear if he will respond to all the accusations Obama has made against the Bush administration.

598 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:52:04am

re: #591 Fluffy Bunny

But what about the poor tofu? : )

Beady little eyes. They deserve to die.

599 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:52:13am

re: #590 tradewind

"Nobody has ever escaped from one of our Supermax prisons"...

Col. Clink!

600 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:52:30am

re: #590 tradewind

"Nobody has ever escaped from one of our Supermax prisons"...
Tuggin' on superman's cape.
I bet there has been a hell of a lot of jihadi ideology spread around in those prisons, though. As if we need more.

I know that Muslim teachings are very popular in the jailed population, but I don't know how many are converted into jihadists, and I have no idea how that breaks down between state and federal prisons.

601 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:52:40am

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

Yes, changing the definitions of words as it suits him. What was "torture" during the campaign is once again EIT. His pledges of "transparency" have resulted in even more secrecy. His calling Bush's success in preventing attacks failure. It goes on and on.

602 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:03am

re: #560 alegrias

"A second decision I made is to close the military base at Guantanamo Bay"...in 7 years, three convictions...2/3 of the detainees kept there were released by the Bush Administration

There's no question that Guantanamo ...likely created more terrorists than it ever detained...
It sets us back...the costs of keeping it open far exceeds the...

That's why I... I... I...

COMING UP: FORMER VP DICK CHENEY'S SPEECH ON SECURITY

What creates more terrorists, if anything, is the American media's constant and dishonest harping on Guantanomo. Just like with Abu Graib. Does anyone think that 50+ front page stories on some badly supervised soldiers putting underwear on prisoner's heads was a little bit excessive and maybe had something to do with stirring shit up. Especially when no context was given, like for example comparing underwear on the head to...oh, I don't know...maybe cutting someone's head off while they're still alive. Which is the preferred 'abuse' technique used by our enemies.
I guess we shouldn't expect our pillars of journalistic integrity to think of that.
Bastards.

603 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:09am

re: #526 Killgore Trout
Not even a "nod" to my #495 for you?

604 Athos  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:13am

I'm afraid that our President is redefining not only history, but the definition of being clueless.

When your starting premise is inaccurate and false (ie - US in wrong / evil in how it prosecutes the war), then everything based on that premise will be inaccurate and false.

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:41am

re: #584 NJDhockeyfan

O is making a case for sending Gitmo terrorists to supermax prisons.

Only if thy promise no more of the same level of protection offered to Jeffery Dahlmer.

606 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:44am

re: #598 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Beady little eyes. They deserve to die.

FVB - maybe you missed it, I wanted to know what the boloney was made of?

607 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:49am

According to O, if we treat terrorists with kid gloves they will more likely surrender on the battlefield. What an idiot.

608 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:53:50am

re: #591 Fluffy Bunny

Forgot to add...Bon appetit! : D

609 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:54:00am

re: #604 Athos

History, like the US Constitution, is a living document in Obamaland.

610 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:54:16am

And Europe is fast becoming the (old) USSR.

611 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:54:30am

re: #607 NJDhockeyfan

According to O, if we treat terrorists with kid gloves they will more likely surrender on the battlefield. What an idiot.

Liberal-Commie mamby pamby BS... It will get us all killed.

612 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:54:36am

He's outlining all the right he's going to insure for the terrorists.

613 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:54:38am

re: #533 albusteve
Huh? My link to the petition shows the drawings of what the new building will look like - 3 different views, no less.

614 jcbunga  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:55:01am

The One will be speaking on national security soon. It's not too late to sell off stocks.

615 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:55:19am

re: #580 Killian Bundy

Three and a half more years of this assclown?

/you'll be begging for Bush back

* * * *
! Bring back the adults without egos.

FYI, Pres. Obama's speech was announced a couple days ago and timed to happen at the exact same time former Vice President Cheney is speaking CREDIBLY on the SAME SUBJECT at the American Enterprise Institute.

Two bad they're not on a split screen and you can tune out the egomaniac's speech.

616 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:55:24am

Oh dammit.
He is deep into obfuscation now.
And off the subject.

617 cvandeve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:55:28am

Good Morning everyone,
The credit card bill was passed because of Bank of America's practices.
They have increased fees, rates and penalties constantly without notification. They then change the wording to double the number of things they charge extra for. Another company considers any purchases where lottery tickets are sold as a cash advance with all of the fees and extra interest rates added.
If you have a good company, you are lucky. Anybody read the 20 pages plus of the agreements and understand them.

618 Athos  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:55:31am

re: #586 Ward Cleaver

So he's speaking after 0bama? This ought to be good.

The interesting part is that this was engineered by the WH - the former VP has had this speech scheduled for months. The Dear Leader decided this week to give this speech. They must feel the need to appease their rabid base and attack the previous Administration in order to deflect public opinion from the missteps of this Administration.

619 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:55:49am

These guys arrested in NY for their terror plot apparently claim the Afghan war - not Iraq & not Gitmo - as their reason for wanting to blow up a synagogue & shoot down an airplane.

620 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:56:01am

re: #594 Kenneth

Why will transferring the prisoners to US prisons act as a deterrent to terrorists and not be a recruitment tool for Al Qaeda?

Obamalogic.

Which is to say it's sprinkled with pixie dust and makes no sense. Terrorists want us dead. They engage in jihad, and it doesn't matter where we hold the terrorist scum we've captured. They just as surely want us dead whether they're held in NYC or Gitmo.

The left has turned Gitmo into a catchphrase for evil, and it's nothing of the sort. It's the best place to hold these terrorists, and the overwhelming Democratic support to keep the terrorists in Gitmo over the past couple of days shows just how inane the Democrats stance on Gitmo has been.

They want to shut it, but refuse to fund shutting it because none wants these terrorists in their own backyards. They all admit as much.

They want Obama to make a decision - a decision that Obama doesn't want to make and knows is futile since Gitmo is the best place to hold these terrorists. Instead, he's now considering putting some into the civilian justice system, which again makes little sense even as Obama pursues the military tribunal system that he lambasted just a few short months ago.

This is a scattershot approach and he hopes that something sticks. In the meantime, the US military works overtime to keep the nation safe, and the FBI and NYPD backstop them by thwarting still more terror plots.

621 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:56:08am
622 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #600 vxbush

You're okay with finding out, then...?

623 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:56:16am

re: #612 rw in san diego

He's outlining all the right he's going to insure for the terrorists.

They have no rights... Just a last statement...

624 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:57:10am

re: #621 Iron Fist

Undoubtedly, he's referring to the inhumane practice of offering them colonoscopies. Funny, not one of them took advantage of the free health care when it was explained to them.

625 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:57:21am

re: #594 Kenneth

Why will transferring the prisoners to US prisons act as a deterrent to terrorists and not be a recruitment tool for Al Qaeda?

* * * *
It's bullshit. Jihadists recruit in Spanish mainland jails all day long.

626 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:57:44am

re: #617 cvandeve

Good Morning everyone,
The credit card bill was passed because of Bank of America's practices.
They have increased fees, rates and penalties constantly without notification. They then change the wording to double the number of things they charge extra for. Another company considers any purchases where lottery tickets are sold as a cash advance with all of the fees and extra interest rates added.
If you have a good company, you are lucky. Anybody read the 20 pages plus of the agreements and understand them.

Yes, and that's why I don't have any cards anymore. I do read contracts, and I don't know why it is so hard for others to do the same thing.

I don't like Obama putting his fingers into this. Interesting how some fiscal conservatives are all for this.

627 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:57:52am

Obama just called Al Qaeda terrorists "like other prisoners of war".

Wrong.

628 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:05am

re: #602 LGoPs

And of the 2/3 released, one out of seven went back to commit jihad against the US and our allies.

In other words, throwing open Gitmo has meant that many of those captured have gone back to jihad, and I suspect that many others are simply awaiting the option to join the jihad.

629 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:33am

re: #627 Kenneth

Obama just called Al Qaeda terrorists "like other prisoners of war".

Wrong.


Wow, this is the CinC right?

630 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:34am

re: #627 Kenneth

Obama just called Al Qaeda terrorists "like other prisoners of war".

Wrong.

If they were, we'd keep them in prison, no trials, until the war is over.

631 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:44am

re: #595 lawhawk

The view from Manhattan isn't going to change, only the view from some portions of DUMBO - the area between the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges on the Brooklyn side that changes. I can recall the complaints about the construction of the Watchtower projects on both sides of the Brooklyn bridge years back, and that never amounted to much in the way of an obstacle.

got it, thanks...still can't find a pic of the proposed building

632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:50am

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

FVB - maybe you missed it, I wanted to know what the boloney was made of?

Sorry. (fair warning...the shit is expensive)! 5.5 oz 2.79.

Made by Lightlife. Bologna Style veggie protein slices.

Basically, made of soy. 4 slices, 70 calories. 0 fat. 490 mg salt (20% daily [damn!])

Good as heck though. The only meat I missed after going vegetarian was bologna and hot dogs and pepperoni.

[Link: www.lightlife.com...]

633 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:54am

I'm waiting for Cheney's speech. I'm expecting a serious bitchslap of 0bama.

634 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:56am

re: #561 tfc3rid
Pssst - Charlotte, N.C.! Did you know that Mecklenberg County - which encompasses Charlotte, was the first part of the colonies to declare independence from Great Britain - yesterday was the anniversary May 20, 1775!

635 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:57am

re: #581 realwest

Good morning {J.D.} excellent comment and link, thank you!
How are you doing today?

Good morning {real}.
I'm doing well... finally rested up from my trip to L.A. Got the son graduated and, now, he only has 8 more years! Of course, he never planned on working for the government, so he's not too pleased about the planned Obama medical overhaul fiasco. Who's got the Obama clock link? We are counting the days...

How are you doing?

636 ihateronpaul  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:59:10am

re: #219 Desert Dog

what an IDIOT! you are supposed to sear it in butter for 15 minutes before eating.

637 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:59:29am

re: #563 StillAMarine
Semper Fi and thank you!

638 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:59:30am

Most of us here look at this so differently. At the beginning of the speech, the President referred to fighting 'two wars' at once. I think that's a fundamental difference on outlook and philosophy. I see this as one struggle against fundamental islamism.

639 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #631 albusteve

got it, thanks...still can't find a pic of the proposed building

Just go to the homepage.

640 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:00am

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

And they want a massive cancellation. They will use this to retain only financially robust clients, persons who have the expendable cash to afford these cards.

In the long run, the CC companies benefit, this does not hurt them at all.

Lean, trim and mean. Makes sense.

that can not be a good business plan. no one wants to lose customers.
they will keep the 'robust customers' anyway, (until they feel the pinch) but lose many individuals who use their credit cards for small purchases.
it all adds up. it keeps the economy rolling.
the c.c. companies should just weed out the dead beats. stop making such a
flagrant play for sighing up unreliable people, and then expect us to cover their losses.
my friend who bankrupted $50,000 in c.c. bills gets applications for new cards
constantly. and in fact is using new credit cards now. (LOL)
in a way the c.c. industry is turning into a giant welfare program that relies on
hard working honest people to pay for their mistakes.

641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:01am

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. (fair warning...the shit is expensive)! 5.5 oz 2.79.

Made by Lightlife. Bologna Style veggie protein slices.

Basically, made of soy. 4 slices, 70 calories. 0 fat. 490 mg salt (20% daily [damn!])

Good as heck though. The only meat I missed after going vegetarian was bologna and hot dogs and pepperoni.

[Link: www.lightlife.com...]

I've eaten vegetarian pepperoni when my brother makes pizza. It just ain't the same.

642 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:06am

Albatross!

643 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:25am

re: #634 realwest

Pssst - Charlotte, N.C.! Did you know that Mecklenberg County - which encompasses Charlotte, was the first part of the colonies to declare independence from Great Britain - yesterday was the anniversary May 20, 1775!

Will keep it in mind but it's looking more and more like suburban ATL.

644 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:29am

I really think that pelosi should step up & agree to house some of the detainees at her home.

645 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:41am

re: #620 lawhawk

Obamalogic.

Which is to say it's sprinkled with pixie dust and makes no sense. Terrorists want us dead. They engage in jihad, and it doesn't matter where we hold the terrorist scum we've captured. They just as surely want us dead whether they're held in NYC or Gitmo.

The left has turned Gitmo into a catchphrase for evil, and it's nothing of the sort. It's the best place to hold these terrorists, and the overwhelming Democratic support to keep the terrorists in Gitmo over the past couple of days shows just how inane the Democrats stance on Gitmo has been.

They want to shut it, but refuse to fund shutting it because none wants these terrorists in their own backyards. They all admit as much.

They want Obama to make a decision - a decision that Obama doesn't want to make and knows is futile since Gitmo is the best place to hold these terrorists. Instead, he's now considering putting some into the civilian justice system, which again makes little sense even as Obama pursues the military tribunal system that he lambasted just a few short months ago.

This is a scattershot approach and he hopes that something sticks. In the meantime, the US military works overtime to keep the nation safe, and the FBI and NYPD backstop them by thwarting still more terror plots.

We are watching a stumbling amateur at work here. And we will all pay the price for his OJT...
But I guess that's ok 'cause he speaks well...
/ Sheesh

646 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:50am

re: #603 realwest

Sorry, no snub intended. I'm just busy this morning and the weeds in my garden are mocking me. Nice sunny day and I need to get out there soon.

647 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:00:59am

re: #571 Kenneth

/Fighting back only creates more terrorists. The only solution is preemptive surrender!


Gee, Kenneth, I didn't know you were French!
/

648 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:04am

'Our security depends on a delicate balance'...yikes!

649 wrenchwench  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:05am

re: #632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only meat I missed after going vegetarian was bologna and hot dogs and pepperoni.

Same here, for the one year that I was a vegetarian. Weird, huh? You only miss the really questionable stuff...

650 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:09am

re: #642 Kenneth

Albatross!

Do you get wafers with it?

651 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:14am

re: #644 opnion

I really think that pelosi should step up & agree to house some of the detainees at her home.

That would be unfair to the terrorists.

652 avanti  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:15am

re: #589 FrogMarch

Obama-nomics.

Sadly, that's what his franchise contract he signed allows. Some dealers are closed so others can survive in a bankruptcy. When Studebaker quit making cars, the dealers got a short "We're sorry" telegram and some had been dealers for over 50 years. The only good news is, maybe some of the strongest dealers will survive.

653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:32am

re: #641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This is the hardest thing about being a vegetarian. You just have to decide now and then, "Dammit, I am going to eat that and like it."

Worth the effort, to me.

654 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:41am

re: #638 rw in san diego

Most of us here look at this so differently. At the beginning of the speech, the President referred to fighting 'two wars' at once. I think that's a fundamental difference on outlook and philosophy. I see this as one struggle against fundamental islamism.

You're on the money there... The left sees everything as a separate conflict, where I would guess most of us see one ideological conflict against them whether they are a terrorist group or a terror supporting regime.

655 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:01:42am

re: #634 realwest

One thing about NC that surprised me when I moved here from MA was that there was so much local Revolutionary War history. I expected Civil War stuff, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that NC had played a larger role in the Revolution than I knew.

656 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:04am

re: #621 Iron Fist

I thought it was Celine Dion?

657 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:05am

re: #644 opnion

I really think that pelosi should step up & agree to house some of the detainees at her home.

America doesn't torture.

658 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:16am

Logically, he's making no sense.

659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:19am

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

WHEEZE!

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

660 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:26am

re: #633 Ward Cleaver

I'm waiting for Cheney's speech. I'm expecting a serious bitchslap of 0bama.

* * * *
Pres. Obama appears to be reading the phone book, to take up air time, maybe so any network that might broadcast Cheney's speech, won't have time to do so!

Fox News earlier had a banner saying "COMING UP, former VP Dick Cheney's speech...but I don't see it right now, as Obama drones on about himself.

661 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:34am

re: #648 rw in san diego

'Our security depends on a delicate balance'...yikes!

Wow, sounds like something Reagan would say...

/

662 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:42am

re: #644 opnion

I really think that pelosi should step up & agree to house some of the detainees at her home.

Now that truely would be torture. ha

663 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #0 Charles

I believe that I’ve made good judgments in the past, and I think I’ve made good judgments in the future.

— Dan Quayle

I'll take Dan Quayle's verbal gaffes any day of the week over those spewing forth from Joe The Biden™. And besides, Quayle was right about Murphy Brown.

664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:01am

re: #655 Lincolntf

Pearl Harbor's there. You didn't know?

665 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:07am

re: #660 alegrias

* * * *
Pres. Obama appears to be reading the phone book, to take up air time, maybe so any network that might broadcast Cheney's speech, won't have time to do so!

Fox News earlier had a banner saying "COMING UP, former VP Dick Cheney's speech...but I don't see it right now, as Obama drones on about himself.

Freaking motormouth.

666 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:18am

re: #622 tradewind

You're okay with finding out, then...?

By that, do you mean having the Gitmo folks transferred over? Heavens, no. If someone else can provide the information, by all means, do so. But these men in Guantanamo are people who tried to hurt and kill Americans because of who we are. They don't deserve to end up on American soil.

667 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:27am

re: #633 Ward Cleaver

I'm waiting for Cheney's speech. I'm expecting a serious bitchslap of 0bama.

* * * *
Maybe Cheney's security speech is being webcast at the American Enterprise Institute's website, what do I know?

668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:32am

re: #653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is the hardest thing about being a vegetarian. You just have to decide now and then, "Dammit, I am going to eat that and like it."

Worth the effort, to me.

That's how it is with me being a carnivore. I might not really want to eat that rattlesnake steak or ortolan, but "Dammit, I am going to eat that and like it."
/

669 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:43am

re: #613 realwest

Huh? My link to the petition shows the drawings of what the new building will look like - 3 different views, no less.

not for me...it's just the petition

670 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:46am

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

That would be unfair to the terrorists.

Serve em right.

671 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:59am

re: #647 realwest

Not me, your POTUS is Fwench.

672 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:03:59am

I can't bear to listen to this guy talk about national security. Let me know if he says anything important and how much he is selling us down the river.

673 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:04:00am

re: #649 wrenchwench

By the way, your nic... Your a chick who works on cars?

674 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:04:26am
675 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:04:34am

It's tough to watch Ron Paul in the morning but this is interesting...

Ed Shultz vs. Ron Paul 5-20-09


This is how easy it is to debunk Paulian economics. If the Republicans embrace this stuff there is absolutely no chance of wining an election.

676 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:04:47am

re: #650 Ward Cleaver

Do you get wafers with it?

You get waffles with this albatross.

677 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:04:58am

re: #663 Macker

I'll take Dan Quayle's verbal gaffes any day of the week over those spewing forth from Joe The Biden™. And besides, Quayle was right about Murphy Brown.

One of the most surreal moments of pop culture. A real person, Dan Quayle, makes an observation about a fictional character, Murphy Brown, who then responds to the real person's observations in the next episode. Wei-rod.

678 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:05:06am

re: #667 alegrias

* * * *
Maybe Cheney's security speech is being webcast at the American Enterprise Institute's website, what do I know?

Nothing on their homepage.

679 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:05:15am

re: #604 Athos
Good morning Athos! Excellent comment. Regrettably, there are no truly smart folks working with or under Obama who are willing to tell him the truth.
That or he just doesn't hear them.

680 aggieann  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:05:23am

re: #627 Kenneth

Obama just called Al Qaeda terrorists "like other prisoners of war".

Wrong.

Is he actually giving the speech NOW? Mid-morning, while most people are at work?

681 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:05:34am

Ugh. 8 am. Caffeine needed. Zombie till caffeine.


/No, not our Zombie. The brain-eating kind. The kind that would starve at the California Legislature.

682 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #675 Killgore Trout

>

I find it 'tough' to watch Ron Paul at any given time of the day or night. heh!

683 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:05:55am

re: #680 aggieann

Is he actually giving the speech NOW? Mid-morning, while most people are at work?

He just wants to crowd out Cheney.

684 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:06:06am

Back later...

685 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:06:08am
686 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:06:20am

re: #674 Iron Fist

Obama made a deal with the Castro's... We'll get the terrorists out of Gitmo and you allow us to build resorts all over Cuba...

687 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:06:50am

re: #627 Kenneth

Obama just called Al Qaeda terrorists "like other prisoners of war".

Wrong.

Obama really doesn't have a clue, does he?

Or worse, he does, and doesn't care.

688 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:07:02am

re: #680 aggieann

Not most of his supporters, though.

689 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

That would be unfair to the terrorists.


And the illegals she has working for her in her house.
Double insensitivity!

690 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:07:18am

Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts

Think Plugs will be on the ticket in '12? Not a chance.

691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:07:43am

Who's he speaking to? A speech to the "?"

692 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:08:08am

re: #685 taxfreekiller

Only difference between Nancy Pelosi and B. Obama,,, Nancy is not 1/2 African American.

She's a half-wit.

693 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:08:23am

re: #639 Ward Cleaver

Just go to the homepage.

thanks for that...but my link has no backup button or rout back to the home page...I don't know what others are seeing, but for me there is no where to go except around with donations and letters etc...no link to a main page...odd

694 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:08:26am

re: #617 cvandeve
Hello! Uh, what makes BoA's credit card practices different than, say, Citibank or JPMorganChase?

695 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:08:52am

re: #689 VegasRick

And the illegals she has working for her in her house.
Double insensitivity!

Just think though, Pelosi in a burqua with her face covered. Just thos big, disturbing eyes visible.

696 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:08:56am

re: #691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who's he speaking to? A speech to the "?"

He's sort of doing a 'point-counterpoint' SNL deal with Cheney...

697 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:08:59am

BO is full of BS.

698 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:01am

re: #692 Ward Cleaver

She's a half-wit.

Pelosi needs to go into the Witless Protection Program.

699 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:06am

re: #644 opnion

I really think that pelosi should step up & agree to house some of the detainees at her home.

Great idea!

Let's all contact her and express that sentiment.

700 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:12am

re: #692 Ward Cleaver

Check your math.

701 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:26am

re: #696 tfc3rid

He's sort of doing a 'point-counterpoint' SNL deal with Cheney...

"Obama, you ignorant slut."

702 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:34am

re: #693 albusteve

thanks for that...but my link has no backup button or rout back to the home page...I don't know what others are seeing, but for me there is no where to go except around with donations and letters etc...no link to a main page...odd

The page is poorly thought out. I just stripped off the page name, to get to the mail URL.

703 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:39am
704 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:55am

re: #696 tfc3rid

He's sort of doing a 'point-counterpoint' SNL deal with Cheney...

"Jane you ignorant slut"

705 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:56am

re: #702 Ward Cleaver

The page is poorly thought out. I just stripped off the page name, to get to the mail URL.

Er, main URL.

706 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:09:58am

re: #690 Ward Cleaver

Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts

Think Plugs will be on the ticket in '12? Not a chance.

Are you sure it's his indiscipline and not the glare from the bald spot? Shiny things distract small minds, after all.

707 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:10:24am

Twice now he has referred to the 'mess' created by the Bush WH.

708 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:10:36am

Anybody seen footage of Gitmo. Those are some bad MF'ers being housed down there. Guards turn over pretty quickly.

Please don't forget that Mr. President.

709 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:10:45am

re: #697 VegasRick

BO is full of BS.

* * * *
He pulled a Jimmy Carter and promised never to lie to us, in so many words, just bury us in B.S...yak yak yak

710 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:11:14am

re: #622 tradewind

You're okay with finding out, then...?

That's funny - I didn't read her comment as saying that at all. All she said was "but I don't know how many are converted into jihadists, and I have no idea how that breaks down between state and federal prisons."

711 abolitionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:11:17am

re: #617 cvandeve

Good Morning everyone,
The credit card bill was passed because of Bank of America's practices.
They have increased fees, rates and penalties constantly without notification. They then change the wording to double the number of things they charge extra for. Another company considers any purchases where lottery tickets are sold as a cash advance with all of the fees and extra interest rates added.
If you have a good company, you are lucky. Anybody read the 20 pages plus of the agreements and understand them.

Lottery tickets are sold in my state. I make purchases in my state. How, um, weasel wordy is it going to get, I wonder?

712 Ojoe  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:11:35am
713 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:11:52am

Already press reports out there before his speech is finished...

Gitmo created more terrorists than it detained: Obama

WASHINGTON -- U.S. President Barack Obama said Thursday some terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay prison may be transferred to "supermax" prisons in the United States, while others could be prosecuted in U.S. courts.

Obama also rejected calls, including by some fellow Democrats, for a truth commission to investigate Bush-era terrorism policies, saying nothing would be gained from it.

"I have opposed the creation of such a commission because I believe that our existing democratic institutions are strong enough to deliver accountability. The Congress can review abuses of our values, and there are ongoing inquiries by the Congress into matters like enhanced interrogation techniques," he said in a speech on national security in Washington.

714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:11:58am

Watching the speech. He may be wrong, but he is absolutely convinced he is right.

715 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:12:08am

I think Pres. O's trying to slap down Cheney! He's saying "I want to focus on the future". AS IF...

716 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:12:25am

re: #709 alegrias

* * * *
He pulled a Jimmy Carter and promised never to lie to us, in so many words, just bury us in B.S...yak yak yak

He never shuts up. He should be on The View.

717 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:12:40am

This entire speech has been spent 'pointing a finger at the previous administration'. Didn't he read his speech? Unbelievable!

718 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:12:41am

re: #639 Ward Cleaver

Lots of actors and actresses pushing that opposition. Ken Burns is also among those against the construction (he did a seminal documentary on the Bridge).

Two Trees Management
is pushing this particular plan, but it's hardly alone. There are other developers working on projects nearby.

Here are some renderings, which suggest that the Save the Dumbo site is misleading.

719 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:07am

re: #715 alegrias

I think Pres. O's trying to slap down Cheney! He's saying "I want to focus on the future". AS IF...

Then why does he keep bringing up the past administration?

720 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:07am

re: #702 Ward Cleaver

The page is poorly thought out. I just stripped off the page name, to get to the mail URL.

heh...I'll remember that trick

721 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:12am

re: #707 rw in san diego

Twice now he has referred to the 'mess' created by the Bush WH.

WHAT MESS? WHAT ALTERNATE REALITY ARE THESE IDIOTS LIVING IN?

722 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:14am

re: #714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watching the speech. He may be wrong, but he is absolutely convinced he is right.

His ignorance is exceeded only by his arrogance.

723 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:38am

re: #689 VegasRick

And the illegals she has working for her in her house.
Double insensitivity!

* * * *
Illegals working in her VINEYARDS, in California where labor unions rule.

Pelosi didn't want to pay California taxes either...

724 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:44am

I heard a while back that БХО might have shown up at last night's American I-Dull final. Thank God he didn't appear!

725 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:13:45am

re: #722 Ward Cleaver

His ignorance is exceeded only by his arrogance.

Or vice versa.

726 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:14:00am

re: #714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree with that. He is constantly justifying his actions by condemning the previous administration.

727 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:14:09am

Five hours later . . .

/TOTUS still expressing love for himself

728 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:14:21am

re: #717 rw in san diego

He was too busy approving what the media would say about the speech to spend any time on the speech itself.

729 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:14:31am

re: #716 Ward Cleaver

He never shuts up. He should be on The View.

I can't recall any President as overexposed as BHO. I do hope that he is making a mistake being constantly in our faces.

730 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:14:39am

Good morning everyone and afternoon/evening to everyone else.

Obama is, as usual, spouting nonsense, auto companies and dealers look shell-shocked, credit card companies are going to pass Obama's regulations onto consumers, oh, and Gitmo has some swell people who no one should be wary of.

But all is well - I've got my chorizo and egg breakfast burrito. NomNomNom...

731 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:14:40am

re: #635 J.D.
Hi {J.D.} OY - 8 more years?!
Well I'm doing ok, I guess - gotta go see the damn dentist today - Oncologist yesterday, dentist today - I tells ya Obama's gonna hurt doctors and other medical practicioners income, but I'm doing my personal best to keep it up there!

732 Ateam  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:15:01am

re: #588 realwest

Um, link please?


[Link: www.fresh.co.il...]
[Link: www.fresh.co.il...]


[translation to the Hebrew title: This evening in the channel 2 news was radiated for the first time in the TV of short film of simulation of system of arrow3. The short film was presented last week in the convention Htk"k of institute Fisher, and below number of prime times from within. ( to the lovers of the conspiracies, this short film of happiness to the broadcast before launch Hsg'il today... )

733 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:15:08am

Darn it, this silly thing called work keeps invading my LGF time. Sigh.

734 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:15:14am

re: #729 opnion

I can't recall any President as overexposed as BHO. I do hope that he is making a mistake being constantly in our faces.

I think he's been live on TV every day this week, hasn't he?

735 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:15:22am

re: #723 alegrias

You mean she wants to pay Mexican taxes?

736 Ojoe  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:15:56am

re: #729 opnion

I am sick of seeing his mug.

737 vxbush  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:03am

re: #710 realwest

That's funny - I didn't read her comment as saying that at all. All she said was "but I don't know how many are converted into jihadists, and I have no idea how that breaks down between state and federal prisons."

Okay, you do a better job of expressing my thoughts than I do. Perhaps I should grab some caffeine while I'm working.

Hopefully I'll be back within the hour.

738 Fluffy Bunny  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:31am

Once again, the housekeeper, cook, grounds keeper and personal assistant all did not show up for work today. I guess I have to do their jobs for them, once again. They are so fired.

Wishful thinking on my part...I am all four of them.

If Dustyvet drops in please give him a hug from me. And if you see Gak, hand her an unsalted margarita! Take care all!

739 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:47am

re: #666 vxbush

I still think w e should have the most dangerous declared pedophiles, and ship them to Egypt,

740 irongrampa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:47am

But we mustn't wish him to fail.


DAMN, I miss W.

741 Buck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:50am

I guess he should have made this speech BEFORE he asked for the 80 million.

742 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:51am

re: #646 Killgore Trout Soot, if those weeds are mocking ya, go kill 'em! ALL of 'em! LOL!

743 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:53am

re: #734 NJDhockeyfan

I think he's been live on TV every day this week, hasn't he?

I think so. I wonder if the mystique is being eroded?

744 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:16:57am

re: #731 realwest

Hi {J.D.} OY - 8 more years?!
Well I'm doing ok, I guess - gotta go see the damn dentist today - Oncologist yesterday, dentist today - I tells ya Obama's gonna hurt doctors and other medical practicioners income, but I'm doing my personal best to keep it up there!

* * * *
Stay strong, Realwest, we need you now more than ever!
Your Docs better give you the Veterans Discount too.

745 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:17:32am

re: #742 realwest

Don't they have 'rights'?

746 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:17:47am

re: #734 NJDhockeyfan

I think he's been live on TV every day this week, hasn't he?

I'm sick of seeing him already, and it's only 5 months in.

747 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:17:52am

re: #739 tradewind

I still think we should have the most dangerous declared pedophiles, and ship them to BFEgypt,

There, fixed that for ya!

748 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:17:58am

re: #736 Ojoe

I am sick of seeing his mug.

IMO he is a serious narcissist.

749 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:05am

re: #736 Ojoe

I am sick of seeing his mug.

I can't look at his face or listen to his voice. I can't help thinking that behind the smug arrogance he is gloating at the thought that he was able to pull off one of the biggest con jobs in American history, convincing the American people to elect his unqualified ass.

750 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:05am

re: #731 realwest

Yep. 7 and a fellowship.

I know what you mean. I was never at the doctor in my entire life this much until I moved down here. Good luck to you!

751 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:18am

re: #713 NJDhockeyfan


Obama also rejected calls, including by some fellow Democrats, for a truth commission to investigate Bush-era terrorism policies, saying nothing would be gained from it.

"I have opposed the creation of such a commission because I believe that our existing democratic institutions are strong enough to deliver accountability.

So, which is it Mr. President? Do you reject investigations of Bush personnel or do you not? This guy speaks out of both sides of his mouth AND his ass simultaneously.

752 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:22am

re: #743 opnion

Pay No Attention To the Man Behind The Curtain!

753 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:26am

re: #655 Lincolntf
Yeah, me too! NC was at least even with the NE colonies and ahead of quite a few of them too!
Very pleasant surprise!

754 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:53am

re: #751 Russkilitlover

So, which is it Mr. President? Do you reject investigations of Bush personnel or do you not? This guy speaks out of both sides of his mouth AND his ass simultaneously.

That would be quite a talent on Jerry Springer.

755 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:18:56am

re: #735 Macker

You mean she wants to pay Mexican taxes?

* * *

Pelosi's dad was Mayor of Baltimore, Maryland. With a little Italy, I don't think they come from taxpaying people. But cosa nostra.


THANK GOD, OBAMA's done speaking.

756 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:19:09am

National security must not be a wedge...and as soon as you all see it MY way, everything will be just fine.

757 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:19:15am

re: #755 alegrias

* * *

Pelosi's dad was Mayor of Baltimore, Maryland. With a little Italy, I don't think they come from taxpaying people. But cosa nostra.

THANK GOD, OBAMA's done speaking.

Market down yet?

758 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:19:17am

Geez, could this be any more nauseatingly arrogant and annoying?

/doesn't he have a another car company to nationalize or something?

759 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:19:46am

re: #736 Ojoe

I hope he keeps it in front of us for days on end, until the tingle effect finally wears off of even the democrat faithful. Familiarity breeds contempt, and he's getting over-familiar in a hurry.

760 acwgusa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:19:46am

re: #757 acwgusa

Market down yet?

Yes, yes it is.

761 irongrampa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:19:48am

re: #749 LGoPs

A common symptom of Obama Disgust Syndrome. And you're by no means alone.

762 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:20:20am

re: #757 acwgusa

Already down 150...

763 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:20:33am

re: #660 alegrias
Good morning alegrias! Well that's something that the MSM is learning to NOT love about Obama, although morning/afternoon speeches are preferable to them than the damn string of prime time newscasts, er, speeches, he used to give. Cost the networks big time with those!

764 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:20:49am

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT TO MAKE REMARKS ON NATIONAL SECURITY
(sounds like Cheney held off until Pres. Obama finished)

Karl Rove commenting on Obama's speech, "made from a position of weakness"
"an extraordinary attack on the previous administration"

765 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:20:49am

re: #747 Macker

Do you know what happens to pedophiles in Egypt?
What's left of them, that is...

766 dingleB  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:20:58am

re: #652 avanti

The production of electric automobiles at South Bend has ended. . . It has been conducted for nine years without much success, and ultimately the superiority of the gasoline car (is) apparent. 1912 re-incorporated Studebaker Corporation statement.

The decline of Studebaker in the auto sector was a due to free market forces. But I'm sure you already know that because of your nic.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

767 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:21:12am

re: #762 Macker

Already down 150...


Fabulous.
If only he would shut the hell up...

768 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #764 alegrias

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT TO MAKE REMARKS ON NATIONAL SECURITY
(sounds like Cheney held off until Pres. Obama finished)

Karl Rove commenting on Obama's speech, "made from a position of weakness"
"an extraordinary attack on the previous administration"

Now for some straight talk.

769 irongrampa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:21:37am

Cheney is now speaking--THIS one can listen to.

770 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:21:46am

It seems that BHO likes to invert knowledge, all the things that the Bush Administration did to keep us safe, actually make us less safe.It is counter intuitive gobbledygook.

771 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:21:53am

Cheney's on, is an even freer man he says...

772 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:22:19am

re: #729 opnion

He's using a bully pulpit in a way that Bush never did. It was a mistake on Bush's part not to do so, and I don't think Obama is making a mistake here. His visibility on these issues helps push his position forward, even if its wrong (and even worse - adopting the Bush positions while simultaneously objecting to them).

The key to keep in mind is everything Obama says comes with an expiration date. Obama can call for Gitmo to be shuttered, but he knows no one in the US wants to take them in, so it's a safe position, and he doesn't actually have to shut Gitmo. He can simply claim that no one in Congress is providing him with a satisfactory alternative in the US, so he gets to have it both ways.

773 jcbunga  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:22:39am

Stocks are down 148...Buy! Buy!

774 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:22:43am

i never get the feeling when o speaks that he really is on our side.
he resents america so much, how could he be.
he will try to punish us until he gets us 'fixed'.
"fixed" = cut down to size, cap in hand, waiting on a hand out.

775 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:22:45am

re: #758 Killian Bundy

Geez, could this be any more nauseatingly arrogant and annoying


Yes... he could have been flanked as he spoke by Speaker Pelosi and Vice President Biden.

776 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:23:19am

re: #769 irongrampa

Cheney is now speaking--THIS one can listen to.

I hope he wipes the floor with the zero.

777 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:23:38am

J.D.!

778 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:23:39am

Wow, Cheney says when Obama mischaracterizes the previous administration, he deserves an answer.

779 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:23:45am

I'm concerned about Cheney's breath sounds... hope this speech does not get his heart rate up .

780 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:23:59am

re: #773 jcbunga

Stocks are down 148...Buy! Buy!

See you later!
/

781 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:24:05am
782 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:24:07am

all hell is gonna break loose in this country via BO, the liberals and this incessant fixation in GB...BO sits there and lies through his teeth...very bad juju

783 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:24:07am

re: #776 VegasRick

I hope he wipes the floor with the zero.

It's as close to a real Obama-Cheney debate as we're ever going to get...

784 quickjustice  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:24:20am

re: #480 realwest

I'm a New Yorker, and the Brooklyn Bridge is an icon. I'm grateful that you share our love of the Brooklyn Bridge, but there's a much more pressing problem that threatens a lot more than someone's view of the bridge. The Brooklyn Bridge is visibly rusting, and the city doesn't have the funds to paint it for another several years.

To me, getting the Brooklyn Bridge painted should be a much higher priority.

785 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:24:29am

From CNN...
Poll: Favorable opinions of Cheney rise

No, it's not a joke!

786 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:24:33am

Where the hell is Avanti, anyway?

787 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:25:15am

Cheney enumerating all the attacks on the US that went unanswered before 9/11. (I'd be out of breath too)

788 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:25:20am

re: #710 realwest

my misread.

789 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:25:29am

re: #786 Ward Cleaver

Where the hell is Avanti, anyway?

Just got done writing the press release on The Obama talk...

790 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:25:31am

Huh, from my Rasmussen Reports this morning:
"39% Say U.S. Legal System Too Worried About Individual Rights Over National Security"

In the tension between individual rights and national security, 39% of voters nationwide now believe that our legal system worries too much about protecting individual rights.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 24% believe our legal system worries too much about national security and 25% say the balance is about right.

Those figures confirm a shift in perceptions that was first recorded a month ago. In April, 37% thought the courts were too concerned about individual rights. Prior to 2009, the number who held this concern ranged from 25% to 34%. (See Historical Data)


Most Republicans (54%) say the legal system is too concerned about individual rights. So do a plurality of voters not affiliated with either major party (42%).

Democrats lean in the opposite direction. Thirty-four percent (34%) of those in the president’s party say the courts are too concerned about national security, 24% hold the opposite view, and 32% say the balance is about right.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

791 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:25:33am

re: #777 Ward Cleaver

WARD!

792 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:25:35am

re: #786 Ward Cleaver

Where the hell is Avanti, anyway?

Soros on the phone?

793 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:26:06am

Cheney smack down on Obama!

794 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:26:12am

Where's Mandy?

795 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:26:31am

re: #770 opnion

It seems that BHO likes to invert knowledge, all the things that the Bush Administration did to keep us safe, actually make us less safe.It is counter intuitive gobbledygook.

That is the part of liberal thinking that drives me most nuts. Literally. They turn logic on it's head so fundamentally that you just sit there and scratch your head and think 'how can anyone be this wrong?'
It's why I have such a visceral reaction to so many of their ideas. It is literally crazy making.

796 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:26:40am

cheney sounds like such a statesman. confident. sincere. steady.
i could weep at the comparison of cheney to stupid inept meaningless o.
god help us if we get hit again.

797 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:26:45am

Morning Honcos,

Listening to clips of The One's Gitmo speech.

The problem of Guantanamo didn't start with the decision to close it, the problem started with the decision to open it.

What a frakkin' whiner, he wanted the damn job now step up to the plate and do it. He's thinking like Clinton, like a lawyer. That terrorism is a criminal matter. He can't wrap his liberal moral equivalent brain around the idea this isn't a conventional war with soldiers, command structure or a criminal matter like busting the mob. It requires new thinking. He can only whine about the shit stick he begged to be given and now that he has in his hand doesn't like it so much.

798 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:26:48am

It's nice to see the former VP actually read his speech, rather than scan the horizon for a teleprompter...

799 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:27:31am

Quite a history lesson Cheney is giving.

800 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:27:35am

re: #796 nyc redneck

It's like the grownups returning from vacation to the house that the teenagers have been running...
Too bad it can't last.

801 opnion  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:27:52am

re: #795 LGoPs

That is the part of liberal thinking that drives me most nuts. Literally. They turn logic on it's head so fundamentally that you just sit there and scratch your head and think 'how can anyone be this wrong?'
It's why I have such a visceral reaction to so many of their ideas. It is literally crazy making.

They have a very weird thought process.

802 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:27:53am

re: #793 Kenneth

Cheney smack down on Obama!

Wish I could hear it here at work :==( Keep us posted.

803 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:28:35am

re: #802 Russkilitlover

Wish I could hear it here at work :==( Keep us posted.

I'll have to watch it later.

804 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:28:45am
805 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:28:48am

re: #796 nyc redneck

cheney sounds like such a statesman. confident. sincere. steady.
i could weep at the comparison of cheney to stupid inept meaningless o.
god help us if we get hit again.

Unfortunately, I would say when we get hit again. The zero is almost assuring that we will. I fear for Las Vegas.

806 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:28:50am

re: #797 jcm

WTF would he have had the US do with them? Show up in DC or NYC for arraignment and post bail?

807 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:28:55am

re: #663 Macker
UH OH! You ought to know better that to criticize Murphy Brown. You're gonna get WACKED for that one!
/

808 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:29:04am

re: #794 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*rustle*

809 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:29:30am

"The horror of those who jumped to their deaths" on 9/11, learned from the underground bunker that day. VP Cheney

Wars cannot be won on the defensive.
We decided to confront the regimes that sponsored terrorists...
Regimes that had the capacity to build weapons of mass destruction, and give them to terrorists...

810 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:29:33am

I've read both speeches.

Obama's is the speech of a young senator who was once a part-time law professor--platitudinous and preachy, vague and pseudo-thoughtful in an abstract kind of way. This sentence was revealing: "On the other hand, I recently opposed the release of certain photographs that were taken of detainees by U.S. personnel between 2002 and 2004." "Opposed the release"? Doesn't he mean "decided not to permit the release"? He's president. He's not just a guy participating in a debate. But he's more comfortable as a debater, not as someone who takes responsibility for decisions.

Cheney's is the speech of a grownup, of a chief executive, of a statesman. He's sober, realistic and concrete, stands up for his country and its public officials, and has an acute awareness of the consequences of the choices one makes as a public official and a willingness to take responsibility for those choices.

Posted by William Kristol on May 21, 2009 11:04 AM


Cheney vs. Obama: A Mismatch

811 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:29:45am

re: #773 jcbunga

Stocks are down 148...Buy! Buy!

Sell... Sell... /mortimer duke

812 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:30:19am

re: #671 Kenneth
How about if we swap our POTUS for yours with a Trillion dollars bonus to y'all for him?!

813 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:30:44am
814 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:31:09am

re: #781 Iron Fist

I agree with most of what you say. I had a number of problems with the Bush administration concerning their policies. However, on a personal level, by the end of his eight years I think Bush could no longer withstand the constant and unrelenting and vicious attacks and was a man broken in spirit and resolve. The media and his opponents made him out to be the devil incarnate...and an imbecile to boot.

815 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:31:22am

re: #628 lawhawk

And of the 2/3 released, one out of seven went back to commit jihad against the US and our allies.

In other words, throwing open Gitmo has meant that many of those captured have gone back to jihad, and I suspect that many others are simply awaiting the option to join the jihad.

And those are just the ones we know about.

816 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:31:41am

Cheney bashing the NYT.

Heh.

817 jcbunga  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:31:42am

...and now comes the derision while evading the question, a hallmark of the looney left.

818 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:31:56am

SNAP!
Bitchslap to the NYT.

819 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:32:01am

re: #814 rw in san diego

I agree with most of what you say. I had a number of problems with the Bush administration concerning their policies. However, on a personal level, by the end of his eight years I think Bush could no longer withstand the constant and unrelenting and vicious attacks and was a man broken in spirit and resolve. The media and his opponents made him out to be the devil incarnate...and an imbecile to boot.

An "imbecile" who outfoxed them at every turn.

820 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:32:19am

He's discussing the NYT selling out our country by providing info. to our enemies.

821 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #818 tradewind

SNAP!
Bitchslap to the NYT.

That was fantastic.

822 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:32:55am

re: #821 tfc3rid

Cyber high fives all around.

823 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:33:10am

re: #700 rw in san diego
ROFL! Geez rw, you been hitting home runs today!

824 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:33:12am

re: #813 Iron Fist

You mean that my personal playlist of music is considered torture? And Metallica is tame compared to some of the other stuff I listen to... NIN anyone?

825 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:33:37am

"Less than half the truth."

826 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:33:43am

re: #823 realwest

Thanks, but that was too easy. heh

827 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:33:46am

I can see that people here are so steeped in their ideological thinking that they fail to recognize that my administration is vastly better and more concerned with real security than the Bush Administration ever was.

And when I say "real security" I mean the security that actually matters - the security of may legacy.

You see, there will always be terrorists because there will always be criminals. And there will always be criminals because there will always be typically white selfish people whose lack of responsibility creates criminals out of the oppressed.

So what can I possibly do about terrorism?

What I can do is make sure that the world loves me forever. And I am doing an exemplary job of it.

You can sleep well knowing that my face will continue being plastered on the cover of news magazines in perpetuity, and my mind slaves will repeat the mantra of "hope and change" regardless of what I do or what promises I break.

My legacy is secure.

828 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:34:22am

He's slapping Pelosi around now. Not by name, yet.

829 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:34:52am

re: #813 Iron Fist

We should go back to less controversial things like sawing their head off with a dull knife. The ACLU doesn't seem to have a problem with that.

As long as it isn't Americans doing the sawing, I suspect. Certainly you didn't hear a peep from these jokers when Nick Berg was murdered.


Too true.

830 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:35:02am

re: #827 That's Mr. President to you

How ya' doing, ya' fucking Commie bastard?

831 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #830 MandyManners

HAHAHAHAHA! HI MANDY!

832 irongrampa  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:35:33am

Couple times I posted that this country has had a knack for having the right person for the right time, in any given situation,and that even a cursory look back through our history would bear this out. The stumbles ( Carter, Obama), point out the correct path to have taken.

I firmly believe this, and that indeed, we will see that individual.

The country will persevere, just as long as we continue to produce the caliber of men and women now serving this country. If THAT ceases, then yes, we will slide into oblivion.


Down off the soapbox now.

833 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:35:33am

Here we go...

834 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:35:54am
835 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:36:01am

Cheney is telling how the hog ate the cabbage.

836 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:36:09am

re: #827 That's Mr. President to you

You are a legend in your own mind.

837 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:36:19am

re: #805 VegasRick

I hope not, but I suspect that the jihad will once again strike NYC. In particular, they've got a hard-on for Port Authority properties, whether it is the Hudson River tunnels, the GWB, or the World Trade Center. They like going for landmarks.

Las Vegas is another top target, and trying to predict where and when they'll strike next is a full time job. More time needs to be spent killing terrorists overseas so they don't have time to plan the next attack. You know, like the way KSM and al Qaeda were able to do in plotting 9/11, and the followup Operation Bojinka.

838 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:36:21am

He's talking about waterboarding and the three terrorists who were subjected to it.

839 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:36:35am

Cheney is laying the wood to TOTUS.

/two gave speeches, one left in a clown car

840 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:36:42am

re: #828 Lincolntf

He's slapping Pelosi around now. Not by name, yet.

Oh, joy!

841 Ben Hur  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:37:08am

Tea Time For Fascists

The Queen was last night facing a political storm after it emerged that BNP leader Nick Griffin could be a guest at one of her garden parties.

Mr Griffin, who has a conviction for inciting racial hatred, is set to enjoy tea and cucumber sandwiches at Buckingham Palace on July 21.

Threadworthy.

Otherwise random thoughts on this slow work day:

"It's the first thing I think about when I get up in the morning, and the last thing I think about when I go to sleep..."

His father was an foreign exchange student part of a political elite...not an immigrant "coming to these shores..."

But that's just me.

842 Ben Hur  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:37:53am

Oh, and I'm pretty sure my parents were married in that synagogue.

843 Summersong  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:37:55am

re: #779 tradewind

I'm concerned about Cheney's breath sounds... hope this speech does not get his heart rate up .

I'm noticing those sounds, as well.

844 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:38:05am

Damn, I wanna hear him say ' and we told Speaker Pelosi...'

846 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:38:29am

re: #744 alegrias Thank you for that alegrias, I appreciate it.
And no, I don't get a veterans' discount - that's only if I go to a VA hospital and since I'd like to get out of the hospital (whenever I do go in) I'd like to have a least a chance of getting out!
:)

847 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:38:35am

"phony moralizing"

848 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:38:47am

re: #834 buzzsawmonkey

Mandy--why that email?

The text went *poof* but for that one sentence. I had C/P from a Word document. I hit "send" instead of Xing out. Then, the cat hacked up a hairball and the dog tried to eat it. She got rather snippy when I picked her up to put her out. Then, the cat hacked up another one. It had itty-bitty bird bones in it. Oh, what a night.

849 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:02am

re: #843 Summersong

Definitely a touch labored... I hope he is not experiencing symptoms of chf.

850 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:03am

re: #806 tradewind

WTF would he have had the US do with them? Show up in DC or NYC for arraignment and post bail?

Gitmo was and is a good solution.

It's insanity to give them Constitutional rights and entry into US criminal legal system.

It's also problematic to grant them POW status, it would give the Jihadist a sense of legitimacy.

For all of Obama's supposed legal expertise, his intelligence, his nuance he's just plain dumb.

851 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:03am

"Contrived indignation and phony moralizing" of the Pelosi-types. Still no name mentions.

852 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:06am
853 SFGoth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:08am

My brother, as conservative an atheist as you'll ever meet, sent me a link to the Anti-Federalist party. [Link: anti-federalist.org...] Anyone familiar with it? Sounds like the Libertarian party. Anti-Federalist just doesn't roll off the tongue too well. Oh, and happy Donnerstag.

854 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:12am
855 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:19am

re: #830 MandyManners

How ya' doing, ya' fucking Commie bastard?

I am doing great! Thanks for asking.

Hugo and I have been sending stuff back and forth since my trip there. I love the internet almost as much as I love myself.

Lately he has been sending me videos of how to Samba. I am not much of a dancer but I close the door on the Oval Office every few hours and practice.

To reciprocate, I have sent Hugo a video of me doing the one dance step that I have down - Safety Dance. I am an 80's guy and really love to make those big S's on the dance floor. Too bad they aren't big O's.

856 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:22am

I still wish that Bush had resigned for the last 30 days and let Mr. Cheney take the reins.

Oops. Pelosi! Slap!

"Contrived indignation"
"Feigned outrage"
"Faux Moralizing"

857 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:27am

re: #837 lawhawk

I hope not, but I suspect that the jihad will once again strike NYC. In particular, they've got a hard-on for Port Authority properties, whether it is the Hudson River tunnels, the GWB, or the World Trade Center. They like going for landmarks.

Las Vegas is another top target, and trying to predict where and when they'll strike next is a full time job. More time needs to be spent killing terrorists overseas so they don't have time to plan the next attack. You know, like the way KSM and al Qaeda were able to do in plotting 9/11, and the followup Operation Bojinka.

I pray often for our troops, they are the very best. Our current administration is a disgrace to their honor.

858 itellu3times  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:32am

re: #810 J.D.

Cheney vs. Obama: A Mismatch

Yes, very good.

Obama's is the speech of a young senator who was once a part-time law professor--platitudinous and preachy, vague and pseudo-thoughtful in an abstract kind of way.

Or, a bright student, reciting his lessons, and also illustrating how far he still has to go.

I gleaned one more thing from Obama's speech: he has never read the Federalist Papers. He should do so, and learn many things about the office he holds and the nation he leads.

859 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:39am

re: #745 rw in san diego
Ssssh! - Geebus, rw, if Obama hears that, NO ONE will be able to do any gardening AT ALL!

860 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:40am

...Calling it "torture" is libelous...

861 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:39:56am
862 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:40:02am

re: #805 VegasRick

Unfortunately, I would say when we get hit again. The zero is almost assuring that we will. I fear for Las Vegas.

It's probably a very tempting target for them; however, they still need a place to go to get liquored up and get an eyeful before their martyrdumb.

863 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:40:03am

re: #814 rw in san diego

I agree with most of what you say. I had a number of problems with the Bush administration concerning their policies. However, on a personal level, by the end of his eight years I think Bush could no longer withstand the constant and unrelenting and vicious attacks and was a man broken in spirit and resolve. The media and his opponents made him out to be the devil incarnate...and an imbecile to boot.

Contrary to the tone of many of my posts, in person I'm very mild mannered and laid back. If however, a journalist moved in next to me, I know for a fact that I would become the neighbor from hell. I despise them so much for what they've done and hold them in such contempt that I would not be able to restrain myself from expressing that contempt every time I saw them. I would literally spit on the ground every time I saw them...
I almost feel bad saying that, but then I think of the distorted and twisted way they've done their jobs, and the harm they have so smugly wrought and my doubts go away.

864 tfc3rid  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:40:52am

re: #860 Lincolntf

...Calling it "torture" is libelous...

I don't know abotu you, but this is exactly what I wanted the GOP to run against Obama with...

865 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:41:06am

re: #861 J.D.

Ha!
Beat ya to it!

GMTA

866 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:41:08am

re: #847 Kenneth

"phony moralizing"

/although you can't tell with Cheney, he almost sounds like he's angry

867 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:41:21am

Oh, he is kicking ass.

868 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:41:24am

"Half measures leave you half exposed"!

869 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:41:43am

Trying as hard as I can not to see this with a jaundiced eye towards BHO, but did he not appear almost cocky as he spoke? Arrogant... pleased with himself?Definitely not the demeanor you would want to project at a speech of this sort...

870 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:41:43am

Wow. Just wow.

The contrast between 0bama's fluffy vague oration and Cheney's fact-filled, broad-ranging, clearly stated smackdown could not be stronger.

871 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:42:04am

Mocking the "overseas contingency" and "man-caused disaster" silliness.

872 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:42:05am

Cheney mentions 'man made disaster'.

873 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:42:20am

re: #867 MandyManners

Oh, he is kicking ass.

Yes he is!

874 Justabill  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:42:35am

re: #566 Walter L. Newton

And they want a massive cancellation. They will use this to retain only financially robust clients, persons who have the expendable cash to afford these cards.

In the long run, the CC companies benefit, this does not hurt them at all.

Lean, trim and mean. Makes sense.

No, they will lose all the people who pay on time every month. This might cost them money or save them money, depending on if the cost to keep the accounts open plus the amount spent on "rewards" plus the minuscule amount of interest on the charges from when they are made to the first due date exceeds the couple percent they are making from the merchants pay when the card is used plus any annual fee the card holder might pay.

875 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:42:48am

Phony moralising?

Is there another kind of moralising?

I am calling Rev Wright right now on my BlackBerry ...

876 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:43:09am

re: #870 lurking faith

Wow. Just wow.

The contrast between 0bama's fluffy vague oration and Cheney's fact-filled, broad-ranging, clearly stated smackdown could not be stronger.

The big difference is, Obama is president and policy maker, Cheney isn't. That's the problem.

877 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:43:10am

re: #871 Lincolntf

Mocking the "overseas contingency" and "man-caused disaster" silliness.

re: #872 NJDhockeyfan

Cheney mentions 'man made disaster'.

I love it!

878 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:43:37am

'...Easy to receive applause in Europe'...
Classic.

879 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:43:41am

re: #875 That's Mr. President to you

Your posts are so clever. Hard to ding. But, ding dammit.

880 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:43:42am

re: #853 SFGoth

I was just looking into that. Glenn Reynolds and Forbes magazine are pushing a similar idea this morning. I'm pretty sure it's more of the Paulian/Tea Party nonsense that's driving conservatives into insanity.

881 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:43:53am

re: #878 tradewind

'...Easy to receive applause in Europe'...
Classic.

Yep!

882 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:44:10am

re: #858 itellu3times

Or, a bright student, reciting his lessons, and also illustrating how far he still has to go.

I gleaned one more thing from Obama's speech: he has never read the Federalist Papers. He should do so, and learn many things about the office he holds and the nation he leads.

He is blissfully ignorant, and seems to like it that way.

883 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:44:19am

re: #870 lurking faith

It's amazing how easy it is to come off as honest and proincipled when you actually are honest and principled. Obama could never, ever pull it off, thus his peripatetic stage presence and the flood of meaningless words that he couches every statement in.

884 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:44:26am

re: #869 tradewind

Trying as hard as I can not to see this with a jaundiced eye towards BHO, but did he not appear almost cocky as he spoke? Arrogant... pleased with himself?Definitely not the demeanor you would want to project at a speech of this sort...

his narcissism keeps him from understanding the gravity of any situation.
he thinks everything is a big party for him.
he is a dangerous entity for the world.

885 Ben Hur  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:44:36am

re: #852 Killgore Trout

Did you see my Nick Griffith link?

886 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:45:11am

re: #874 Justabill

No, they will lose all the people who pay on time every month. This might cost them money or save them money, depending on if the cost to keep the accounts open plus the amount spent on "rewards" plus the minuscule amount of interest on the charges from when they are made to the first due date exceeds the couple percent they are making from the merchants pay when the card is used plus any annual fee the card holder might pay.

Did you know it's the merchant that pays the awards? When you purchase something, if it is a "reward" card, the merchant is charged a larger percent of the sale then a regular non-reward credit card.

Don't let the CC companies fool you. If they made a decision or change part of their business model, they are doing it because they know they are going to come out ahead.

Why would you think otherwise?

887 SFGoth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:45:15am

re: #880 Killgore Trout

I was just looking into that. Glenn Reynolds and Forbes magazine are pushing a similar idea this morning. I'm pretty sure it's more of the Paulian/Tea Party nonsense that's driving conservatives into insanity.

The platform actually mentions retaining the Fed but curbing it, and not going to hard money. I'd like to hear some arguments against the platform, other than "it's not realistic" because it looks rather good to me.

888 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:45:35am

Cheney just said "recruitment tool"... he must have read drcondell's posts yesterday.

889 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:46:09am

"Terrorists and those that defend them are not the best judges of our moral standards..."

890 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #885 Ben Hur

Yeah, I linked to it earlier too. Very bad. Unfortunately the BNP is making gains and they're effectively mainstreamed by the voters. I don't think there's a legitimate way for the government to marginalize them at this point.

891 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:46:38am

OK -

Just got off the phone with Rev Wright.

Apparently he is aware that there are people out there that actually hold moral convictions that they will act on even if it is against their own self interests.

How bizarre.

Turns out none of these people can be found in Chicago politics or the media, so that is why I am unfamiliar with them.

Anyway, that gave me an idea for a compromise on Guantanamo - it can stay open if it is renamed to "Otanamo".

892 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:46:42am

re: #875 That's Mr. President to you

Phony moralising?

Is there another kind of moralising?

I am calling Rev Wright right now on my BlackBerry ...

you're getting on my nerves today.
( btw, you tell the good rev what we think of him. he has shite for brains.)

893 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:47:05am

I wish this man were president.

894 jcbunga  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #830 MandyManners

How ya' doing, ya' fucking Commie bastard?

This is funnier than can be grasped at this time.

895 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:47:54am

He is laying the next terror attack squarely at FCBBHO's feet.

896 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:48:33am

re: #893 MandyManners

I wish this man were president.

I always hoped he'd run, since he was SecDef.

897 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:48:35am

BBL

898 jorline  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:48:42am

Cheney is spot on concerning foreign policy and national security.

I hope he throws in a few thoughts on the economy as well...like tax cuts verses spending and bailouts.

899 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:48:49am

i love cheney.

900 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:48:50am

re: #893 MandyManners

You know how to cut to the chase.

901 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:49:07am

"Surveillance and EIT's prevented specific attacks, and everyone in the appropriate positions of Gov't knows it..."

902 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:49:37am

He is telling FCBBHO to fuck off in so many words.

903 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:49:43am

re: #784 quickjustice
Share YOUR love - hey, I lived and worked in Manhattan for over 35 years, still consider it my hometown and would still be living there if I hadn't got cancer and have to depend on SSDI for income.
And you're right about maintenance - but not just over the Brooklyn Bridge - other bridges need help too. It's just that, since I marched with my Vietnam War comrades over the Brooklyn Bridge on May 7, 1985 to a thunderous reception in the "Canyon of Hero's" that the Brooklyn Bridge holds a VERY special place in my heart.
Still remember those fireboats shooting up plumes of Red, White and Blue water as we crossed the bridge.
I love NY!

904 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:49:56am

Oh, I am just loving this. Showing BHO's total hypocrisy re enhanced interrogation...
Bet there are some soiled pants in the WH now...

905 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:03am

re: #888 Kenneth

Cheney just said "recruitment tool"... he must have read drcondell's posts yesterday.

(immodest as hell for me to mention it)

Since you were involved, did you hear about what happened to drcondell later? After he left, and came back in?

906 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:13am

"Releasing the interrogation memos was flatly contrary to the national security interest of the United States. The harm done only begins with top secret information now in the hands of the terrorists, who have just received a lengthy insert for their training manual."

Bam!

907 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:24am

BITCH-SLAP to Pelosi.

908 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:27am

Thank heaven someone is defending the CIA.

909 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:49am

re: #895 MandyManners

He is laying the next terror attack squarely at FCBBHO's feet.

I wish someone would ask BO if his children were kidnapped and waterboarding a suspect might get the location of the kids, would he use it?

910 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:50am

re: #895 MandyManners

He is laying the next terror attack squarely at FCBBHO's feet.

And he'll be right.

Unfortunately.

911 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:50:52am

The funny thing is that Cheney's speech has been scheduled for weeks and TOTUS only recently thought he'd like to try and upstage it.

/epic fail, the contrast couldn't be more striking and it doesn't help TOTUS that they were back to back

912 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:14am

Oh dear, does Obama's leftist base know this?

President Obama has reserved unto himself the right to order the use of enhanced interrogation should he deem it appropriate. What value remains to that authority is debatable, given that the enemy now knows exactly what interrogation methods to train against, and which ones not to worry about. Yet having reserved for himself the authority to order enhanced interrogation after an emergency, you would think that President Obama would be less disdainful of what his predecessor authorized after 9/11. It's almost gone unnoticed that the president has retained the power to order the same methods in the same circumstances. When they talk about interrogations, he and his administration speak as if they have resolved some great moral dilemma in how to extract critical information from terrorists. Instead they have put the decision off, while assigning a presumption of moral superiority to any decision they make in the future.

Obama is a posturing moral hypocrite.

913 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:14am

re: #887 SFGoth

I don't see a sourcewatch article on them. Not sure who's behind it.

914 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:20am

This is a major ass-kicking.

915 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:32am

re: #891 That's Mr. President to you

Guantanamera...

916 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:35am

re: #914 MandyManners

This is a major ass-kicking.

I'm loving it.

917 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:37am

re: #788 tradewind
No problem.

918 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:44am

re: #911 Killian Bundy

Wonder if BHO's handlers got a copy of Cheney's speech in time for Teh One to read it and weep?

919 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:53am

I do not remember anything like this in my lifetime. Does anyone else? Al Gore got shrieky but was ignored.

Who can ignore this?

Mr. Cheney? Thank you.

920 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:51:58am

"...Obama should show Americans what did not happen because of the EIT's"

921 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:52:35am

re: #905 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(immodest as hell for me to mention it)

Since you were involved, did you hear about what happened to drcondell later? After he left, and came back in?

Oh no, do tell? Major meltdown?

922 Athos  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:53:25am

re: #809 alegrias

Fundamentally, Obama thinks that this is a criminal effort despite all of his declarations that we are at war. His actions speak far louder than his rhetoric. He, and those who support his positions, cannot rationalize in their own minds that the main perpetraitors of these actions are persons outside the system of state - in a stateless organization that is being used and supported by nation states to provide plausible denialability to acts of war committed by those states.

They also fail to accept that the persons in these organizations ignore any and all rules of war - operate outside of any treaty - and have never demonstrated quarter towards captives or civilians. Their own actions forfeit their rights and protections beyond those that their enemies choose to grant them. We can choose to offer rights and protections to these terrorists beyond the rights and protections they offer their victims - or we can choose to summarily execute them for their actions outside the rule of law.

The members of these groups hate us for our values and for what we stand for. Our actions at Gitmo do nothing to motivate or increase this hate - they are just used by our own media and those of this country who prefer to destroy its values in order to rebuild it - as a cudgel to increase the damage inflicted in their drive for power and control. This is just another crisis and opportunity for some to obtain power.

923 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:53:30am

re: #909 VegasRick

I wish someone would ask BO if his children were kidnapped and waterboarding a suspect might get the location of the kids, would he use it?

Remember Dukakis and Willie Horton?

924 quickjustice  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:53:35am

re: #903 realwest

And I was in the crowd cheering you guys on!

925 SFGoth  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:53:49am

re: #913 Killgore Trout

I don't see a sourcewatch article on them. Not sure who's behind it.

Yeah, until I get a warm fuzzy, I'm still planning to jump ship to the Libertarian when I get a chance.

926 Justabill  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:53:56am

re: #886 Walter L. Newton

Did you know it's the merchant that pays the awards? When you purchase something, if it is a "reward" card, the merchant is charged a larger percent of the sale then a regular non-reward credit card.

Don't let the CC companies fool you. If they made a decision or change part of their business model, they are doing it because they know they are going to come out ahead.

Why would you think otherwise?

That is a bit suprising, I thought that the merchant to CC company fee was dictated by the "brand" of card (Visa/MasterCard/Discover) and not by the individual card issure(Bank of America for example) , so for example a merchant would pay x percent for all Visa transactions with out respect to issuer or type of card. I am no expert on this. I do have some relatives that run a small business. Might be interesting to ask them...

I figure if they start charging before the first billing cycle, they figure that they will lose some customers, but most will ignore it, so they'll have net gain. If however more people than expected drop, they might screw themselves... Of course I am just guessing...

927 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:54:03am

re: #919 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do not remember anything like this in my lifetime. Does anyone else? Al Gore got shrieky but was ignored.

Who can ignore this?

Mr. Cheney? Thank you.

Real man vs empty suit.

928 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:54:06am

This is a challenge (which they most surely will not pick up) to the NYT et al to pick up the gauntlet and ferret out what we were spared. They always manage to get the secrets they shouldn't have... let's see them get something classified that's helpful.
As if.

929 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:54:41am

re: #914 MandyManners

This is a major ass-kicking.

It is.

I really, really need to go back out on more errands, but I can't stand to leave in the middle of this. It's beautiful.

930 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:54:50am

It's a good thing TOTUS is safely back in the White House.

/if he was in the room with Cheney he's have a serious carpet burn on his face right about now

931 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:55:06am

re: #923 MandyManners

Remember Dukakis and Willie Horton?

I do.

932 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:55:09am

re: #652 avanti

Sadly, that's what his franchise contract he signed allows. Some dealers are closed so others can survive in a bankruptcy. When Studebaker quit making cars, the dealers got a short "We're sorry" telegram and some had been dealers for over 50 years. The only good news is, maybe some of the strongest dealers will survive.

Still peddling crap, I see.

While I've never read a dealer contract, I'd be willing to bet that the automaker can only terminate the contract "for cause".

Studebaker was completely exiting the car business. All the dealers had to close. Much different situation here. Chrysler is apparently picking and choosing which dealers to close, and doing so without much thought. The Obama administration and the MSM seems to think that shrinking the dealer network will result in a cost savings for the automaker. Maybe somebody in the administration, who doesn't know beans about the auto business has told Chrysler and GM that this needs to be part of any restructuring plan. This sounds like the half-baked reasoning that one would find coming out of Obama and his band of leftist amateurs.

I don't see how this will help the automakers, when the dealers are independent businesses. In the present case, someone (the automakers, perhaps prodded by Obama & Co.), has decided to arbitrarily take valuable assets away from some dealership owners, even if it is just the going concern value of an operating business, and give that value to some other dealer at no cost.

Same situation as the Obama administration taking value away from the first mortgage bondholders and giving that value to the UAW at no cost. If the government can do that to the assets of first mortgage bondholders, they can do it to anybody - and they probably will.

This is called redistribution of wealth to a politically favored class.
Which industry will be next?

933 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:55:19am

re: #914 MandyManners

You're not kidding...and I'm happy he formally requested the release of the memos that would attest to the results of the EITs. The 'transparent' Obama administration denied this request. Pretty outrageous after the statements he made just this morning regarding declassifying secret info.

934 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #926 Justabill

Did you know it's the merchant that pays the awards? When you purchase something, if it is a "reward" card, the merchant is charged a larger percent of the sale then a regular non-reward credit card.


This is true.

935 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:55:30am
936 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:55:32am

re: #845 J.D.

For those who can't watch on television...
RAW DATA: Text of Dick Cheney's National Security Speech ...

This is what the left in this country cannot get their minds around. You say this and it's as if you are speaking martian.

It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failure to do so.

937 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:08am

re: #828 Lincolntf
WHOA! Let's hear more about his bitch slapping Pelosi!

938 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:12am

ALL -

For those who have wondered how Dustyvet is doing, well, I tried to call him this morning, no answer and no voice mail.

I haven't spoken to him OR heard from him since before the funeral.

So, I have no update right now.

939 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:20am

THANK YOU, MR. CHENEY!

940 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:26am

Excellent speech!

941 jorline  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:44am

re: #917 realwest

No problem.

Good morning RW. At your convenience send me an email about your Wednesday oncologist visit.

942 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:45am

That was the best speech by a politician that I've seen in years.

943 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:56:49am

Bravo Mr Cheney!

944 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:57:08am

He deserved much more applause.

945 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:57:13am

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

ALL -

For those who have wondered how Dustyvet is doing, well, I tried to call him this morning, no answer and no voice mail.

I haven't spoken to him OR heard from him since before the funeral.

So, I have no update right now.

Thanks.

946 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:57:39am

re: #832 irongrampa
Hey irongrampa - git your ass back up on that soapbox. We need more optimism about AMERICAN than we get from Obama or from his speeches.

947 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:00am

Cheney just spanked BO bigtime...I have no words

948 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:14am

Ignores the applause and walks out of the room.

Hmmm.

Cue the "Sesame Street Jingle"

"One of these things is not like the other, come on can you tell which one..."

949 rw in san diego  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:23am

BBL. Enjoyed following the speeches with all of you this morning.

950 big steve  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:28am

Damn I wish Cheney was healthier and would run in three years! I am personally putting him on my donor card to get my heart were I to shortly not need it.

951 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:35am

re: #921 Kenneth

Oh no, do tell? Major meltdown?

No, he never went THAT far.

He laid out for a couple of hours (not logged out). DEZes and I were keeping an eye on the bottom of that thread. An hour after the last post on the thread, ... lo and behold ... drcondell suddenly shows up, coming downthread, posting more crap.

I was lucky enough to get in my first rejoinder about a minute after he posted his first. He posted two or three before he got to the bottom and (suddenly) realized he wasn't alone. Both DEZ and I had a couple in by that point. He stumbled around for a few comments, getting slammed hard, then hurriedly LOGGED OUT.

952 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:46am

re: #947 albusteve

Cheney just spanked BO bigtime...I have no words

G-D help us might fit?

953 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:47am

Cheney:

"Intelligence officers of the United States were not trying to rough up some terrorists simply to avenge the dead of 9/11. We know the difference in this country between justice and vengeance. Intelligence officers were not trying to get terrorists to confess to past killings; they were trying to prevent future killings. From the beginning of the program, there was only one focused and all-important purpose. We sought, and we in fact obtained, specific information on terrorist plans.

Those are the basic facts on enhanced interrogations. And to call this a program of torture is to libel the dedicated professionals who have saved American lives, and to cast terrorists and murderers as innocent victims. What's more, to completely rule out enhanced interrogation methods in the future is unwise in the extreme. It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness, and would make the American people less safe."

954 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #937 realwest

I might have been unclear, he did not mention her by name. He was roundly critical of "some who want to talk about Truth Commissions" and then detailed the hypocrisy and lies that "those people" are pushing.
My paraphrasing skills aren't great so maybe someone remembers the exact words a little better.

955 J.D.  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #936 Russkilitlover

This is what the left in this country cannot get their minds around. You say this and it's as if you are speaking martian.


Too true.

956 quickjustice  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:06am

re: #926 Justabill

Here's some advice about credit cards from Ann Althouse's website:

"They [the banks issuing the credit cards] make money on you already, through the cut they take on the purchase price from the seller.

You can get around the new plan a little by paying several times a month online, which keeps the balance down and keeps the time intervals down, both; and in addition costs them money for the transactions.

The reason not to ever use a debit card is that in case of fraudulent charges, you're the one out the money, so help is hard to find.

With a credit card, they're the ones out the money because you simply don't pay the contested charges, and everybody is really motivated to help you clear the thing up.

Don't give up that protection easily."

957 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:18am

obviously cheney should be potus now.

958 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:30am

re: #912 Kenneth

Oh dear, does Obama's leftist base know this?

Obama is a posturing moral hypocrite.

He's afraid that should the worst happen, it will become know that we had in our custody people who knew.

Since he has no core, no foundation he has to cover all his bases.

959 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:40am

BHO whines that this terror shiite is taking up too much of his precious time.

960 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:42am

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

961 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:59:59am

re: #932 Son of the Black Dog

Besides which, cutting sales staff and advertising during a downturn is extremely stupid. You cut those, and you're cutting your sales and income.

962 irongrampa  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:00:00am

So how does Cheney's ass taste, Barack?

963 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:00:08am

re: #960 VegasRick

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

And your being charitable!

964 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:00:42am

marvelous speech and he pulled no punches...named the names and said what needs to be said...just stunning

965 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:01:00am

re: #960 VegasRick

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

He's outraged!

/big, huge bonus points!

966 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:01:17am

re: #963 Nevergiveup

And your being charitable!

Just the way I am bro.

967 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:01:50am

re: #869 tradewind
Well for reasons I STILL don't understand, Obama's personal approval ratings are at 60% and given what a crappy job he's done, no wonder he's pleased with himself.

968 Annar  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:01:54am

re: #551 nyc redneck


i bet there will soon be massive cancellations of credit cards.
this is no different than penalizing a valued customer by charging them more
than any loser who walks in a shop to buy anything.
bad business.

This will result in the tanking of internet commerce which is largely dependent on credit card sales. Hard to uses cash there and debit card sales are just about impossible to cancel.

969 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:02:13am
970 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:02:15am

re: #960 VegasRick

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

Wait. Bob's using a few of the tactics that Cheney used...

"Contrived indignation"
"Feigned outrage"
"Faux Moralizing"

971 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:02:28am

That shadow you see behind Cheney is every elected Republican and RNC member cowering and cringing; wringing their hands and and saying, "Oh, geez, oh, geez," over and over again, hoping that Cheney is overstepping. Cowards. *spit*

972 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:02:48am

re: #970 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait. Bob's using a few of the tactics that Cheney described...

"Contrived indignation"
"Feigned outrage"
"Faux Moralizing"

Hope y'all know what I meant.

973 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:03:02am

Truth hurts, eh Bob?

/he's just pissed Cheney gave TOTUS a great big swirly

974 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:03:08am

Obama... audio clip...

We will do everything in our power to prosecute someone who poses a threat to our security.

Okay you fucking legal genius.

How the fuck do you prosecute someone for a crime not yet committed?

Conspiracy is tough to prove, you gonna' get other jihadis to turn state evidence? That's usually what it takes.

Moron.

975 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:03:30am

re: #970 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait. Bob's using a few of the tactics that Cheney used...

"Contrived indignation"
"Feigned outrage"
"Faux Moralizing"

Yep.

976 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:03:43am

re: #969 Iron Fist

Cucumber sandwiches? Damn, that is torture. Blech. Couldn't she find something tastier somewhere in the British Empire? Honey coverd locusts, maybe? Monkey brains? Hell, do the Donner Party thing; it'd have to be better than cucumber sandwiches.

I've also heard that she's a radishing beauty.

977 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:16am

re: #967 realwest

Must be the swimsuit shots of those ripped abs and great pecs.
/sarc/.

978 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:16am

Who the fuck is Beckel?

979 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:23am

re: #960 VegasRick

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

Which is why he had to hire a prostitute to "service" him.

980 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:23am

re: #962 irongrampa

So how does Cheney's ass taste, Barack?

LOL...munch, munch.

981 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:24am

re: #974 jcm

Obama... audio clip...

We will do everything in our power to prosecute someone who poses a threat to our security.

Okay you fucking legal genius.

How the fuck do you prosecute someone for a crime not yet committed?

Conspiracy is tough to prove, you gonna' get other jihadis to turn state evidence? That's usually what it takes.

Moron.

A dead person usually has a hard time committing a crime. Just saying. Preemptive action baby!

982 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:25am

Obama lambasts Bush's ad hoc legal approach to detainees and the jihad against the US, but Obama's Administration is utilizing much of that approach, so what exactly does that say about Obama, other than he's an opportunist who says and does anything to crave and maintain power.

983 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:33am

Becket is really mad. Bless his little heart.

984 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:41am

This is my 100th post.

You are now free to express your admiration, awe and "pinch me - this all too good to be true" feelings towards me on this, the most momentous occasion in the history of not only LGF, but the entire blogosphere.

Proceed.

985 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:48am

re: #895 MandyManners

He is laying the next terror attack squarely at FCBBHO's feet.


Which is, of course, where it belongs.

986 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:49am

re: #951 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm sure it was some kind of moby-troll. He couldn't stop himself from using all those Democrat talking point phrases: "Bush legacy of torture", etc. Hell, I thought Obama was channeling drcondell in his speech a few minutes ago.

Good riddance.

987 Athos  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:04:56am

re: #932 Son of the Black Dog

There is an aspect of the dealer / franchise nework closures that really make little sense. The dealer network are the customers of the manufacturer. The manufacturer does not sell direct to the consumer. Their sales come from the dealer network who then have to resell the product to the consumer. The money for the dealer is not in the intial sales of the car - but in the 'annuity' of servicing the car sold (just as HP sells printers for a loss and compensates by income from selling ink).

Reducing the size of the dealer network is a reduction of customers for the manufacturers. The premise of the manufacturers seems to be that by selling fewer cars, at higher prices, they will return to profitability. They are accepting government funds and voices in the boardroom - and not addressing the fundamental business issues around excessive costs (union wages) that created their profit crisis. It's as clueless as a government refusing to reduce spending but continously increase taxes even as those increases throttle the economy and reduce revenues. (CA, NJ, NY, MI, MA are prime examples - the highest taxed states have the greatest economic issues.)

This is deflection and an effort to define and control a marketplace to further a political agenda of the Administration and Unions. It will exacerbate the problem they are trying to fix and repeating the UK / British Leyland fiasco.

988 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:05:21am

re: #976 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've also heard that she's a radishing beauty.

Lettuce stay away from puns.

989 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:05:22am

re: #973 Killian Bundy

Truth hurts, eh Bob?

/he's just pissed Cheney gave TOTUS a great big swirly

Bobs brother Neil is pissed as well. Neil and Bob.

990 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:05:24am

re: #969 Iron Fist

I love cucumber sandwiches!
Mix homemade mayo with some minced red onion, thinly sliced cukes, sprinkle with a little cayenne... yumm.

991 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:08am

o has no idea what is going on.
he is intoxicated in a whirl wind of delight at being totus and revered by stupid
people.

992 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:17am

BTW, depending on the bread and the spread, cucumber sandwiches and water cress sandwiches can be yummy.

993 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:19am

re: #967 realwest

Well for reasons I STILL don't understand, Obama's personal approval ratings are at 60% and given what a crappy job he's done, no wonder he's pleased with himself.

Watch the evening news tonight. If you can put aside what you know and what you think.

Most people what the evening news, and don't know shit. They see The One working very hard to do things for them, and the media is just aglow with him.

994 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:25am

re: #978 MandyManners

lefty blowhard pundit/radio talk show host.

995 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:51am

re: #686 tfc3rid

Obama made a deal with the Castro's... We'll get the terrorists out of Gitmo and you allow us to build resorts all over Cuba...

Anybody want to bet that once Obama has removed all the terrorists from Gitmo that he turns the whole place over to the Castro government?

Make a nice home port for Putin's new blue water navy.

996 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:54am

re: #984 That's Mr. President to you

*WHACK*

997 aggieann  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:07:07am

re: #988 MandyManners

Lettuce stay away from puns.

I corn hardly stand these pun threads.

998 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:07:19am
999 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #994 tradewind

lefty blowhard pundit/radio talk show host.

Big fat douchebag.

FTFY.

1000 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:07:37am

re: #922 Athos
Couldn't have said it better (or as well) myself! Thanks for that comment.

1001 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:07:56am

This fuck in the White House is criticizing decisions made By Bush/Cheney in 2001 when he was in the Illinois State Senate if he was even there? What an arrogant, ignorant asshole.

1002 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:07:58am

re: #994 tradewind

lefty blowhard pundit/radio talk show host.

I'd like to give him a big mug of STFU.

1003 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:13am

re: #997 aggieann

Thyme to cut this thread.

1004 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:14am

BO has got to be seething...people can now contrast between his ridiculous, juvenile, hypocritic approach to security and words from a very articulate and straight talking Cheney...who just beat the shit out of BO, Pelosi and the rest...they have to be shitting their pants right now

1005 Athos  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:15am

re: #960 VegasRick

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

I always wonder how a blowhard whose claim to prominence is leading the dismal Mondale campaign to the largest defeat in presidential electoral history is seen as someone whose viewpoints have value.

1006 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:51am
1007 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:52am

re: #997 aggieann

I corn hardly stand these pun threads.

Double points if you can work brusselsprouts into a pun.

1008 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:09:03am

re: #988 MandyManners

Lettuce stay away from puns.

Especially these, which are very garden-variety.

1009 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:09:08am

re: #924 quickjustice
Why THANKEW!
Say, you weren't one of the guys who didn't take the time to shred the (stick together type) printer paper packages that landed at our feet with a THUD were you?!?
:)

1010 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:09:09am

re: #448 Ward Cleaver

What else was she in? I seem to remember an older Britcom, or maybe even a drama.

She has been in a few things. Her best role of all was 'Purdy' in the New Avengers.

Image: BC224.jpg

Image: NewAvengers-montage.jpg

She was also in the lamentable "Sapphire and Steel" with David McCallum. The less said about that one the better.

1011 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:10:18am

re: #981 Nevergiveup

A dead person usually has a hard time committing a crime. Just saying. Preemptive action baby!

Intel, Intel, Intel,

This war is as much if not more about intel, getting inside the enemies ODDA loop and staying inside.

Obama and the left are stuck in the criminal matter mindset.

"Enhanced" interrogation techniques were and are not about obtain an confession to committing crimes.

THEY ARE ABOUT INTEL! About getting inside the enemies operational loop.

Everything done since The One took office damages our capacity to obtain intel.

It's gonna' cost big time.

1012 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:10:38am

One thing I really like about Dick Cheney is the way he clearly doesn't give a shit whether people like him or not. What a refreshing contrast to Obama's preening narcissism.

1013 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:10:57am

re: #1004 albusteve

BO has got to be seething...people can now contrast between his ridiculous, juvenile, hypocritic approach to security and words from a very articulate and straight talking Cheney...who just beat the shit out of BO, Pelosi and the rest...they have to be shitting their pants right now

I don't think so. They would have to care, be concerned and wanting to consider the best interest of the country. I don't see that happening.

1014 MJ  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:13am

re: #960 VegasRick

Bob Beckell is a big fat douchebag.

Meet Maryam Massihi. The 21-year-old hooker recently stole political consultant Bob Beckel's heart--at least for a few hours, at $300 per...

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1015 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:23am

re: #1011 jcm

And it's gonna cost in American Lives and Blood.

1016 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:32am
1017 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:37am

rush just said cheney's approval rating is up 8 points since he started speaking out
a few wks. ago.
fck the lying msm who say he should shut up, he's bad for the gop.
LOL
cheney is making too much sense and they know it.

1018 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:46am

re: #1002 MandyManners

Beckel = a male version of Randi Rhodes, on so many levels...

1019 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:51am

re: #1004 albusteve

BO has got to be seething...people can now contrast between his ridiculous, juvenile, hypocritic approach to security and words from a very articulate and straight talking Cheney...who just beat the shit out of BO, Pelosi and the rest...they have to be shitting their pants right now

/well, you know, except for the cretins who actually voted for him, they're just not that smart

1020 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:52am

re: #1012 Kenneth

One thing I really like about Dick Cheney is the way he clearly doesn't give a shit whether people like him or not. What a refreshing contrast to Obama's preening narcissism.

Cheney is also very very confident...clearly he understands the issue far better than BO

1021 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #1007 VegasRick

Double points if you can work brusselsprouts into a pun.

Because Brusselsprouts a Journal, ve be very happy.

1022 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:12:11am

re: #1014 MJ

Meet Maryam Massihi. The 21-year-old hooker recently stole political consultant Bob Beckel's heart--at least for a few hours, at $300 per...

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Well Nice tush. Just saying.

1023 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #1006 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They just called it "dueling speeches"on Fox. heh.

More like target practice for Cheney. For it to be a duel the opponent needs to be armed.

1024 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:12:34am

re: #941 jorline
Hey my friend - no need for an e-mail - situation is still the same, cancer getting more aggressive, nothing else we can do until the tumor get significantly larger. Not IF the Tumor gets significantly larger, but WHEN.
Shit.

1025 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:12:54am

re: #1012 Kenneth

One thing I really like about Dick Cheney is the way he clearly doesn't give a shit whether people like him or not. What a refreshing contrast to Obama's preening narcissism.

All Cheney really cares about is the good of the nation.

All Obama really cares about is himself.

Man vs. child.

1026 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:13:43am

re: #1016 buzzsawmonkey

I still haven't figured out what the supposed benefit is to "closing Gitmo." If Obama says that the detainees there will be transferred to domestic supermax facilities, they're still being confined, and we're still paying for their confinement.

What the hell is the difference between keeping them locked up there or here? Why is Obama making such a big thing of it? Is he really that obsessed with what appears to be a largely useless and wholly symbolic gesture?

Haven't you been listening. If we don't close Gitmo, the world will no love us? I'd put the sarcasm thing here, but these freak en Liberals really believe that shit?

1027 VegasRick  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:13:49am

re: #1014 MJ

Meet Maryam Massihi. The 21-year-old hooker recently stole political consultant Bob Beckel's heart--at least for a few hours, at $300 per...

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

She'd have to pay me.

1028 J.S.  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:13:59am

re: #974 jcm

Obama also stated that if terrorists violated American laws, they'd be prosecuted...Soo, just how exactly is that going to work if the terrorists aren't on American soil? So they apprehend some terrorist in Afghanistan or Iraq plotting an attack against the U.S. -- then what? How can they be prosecuted in a U.S. courtroom? What is this? An Obama version of extra-territoriality?

1029 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:14:06am

re: #1016 buzzsawmonkey

I still haven't figured out what the supposed benefit is to "closing Gitmo." If Obama says that the detainees there will be transferred to domestic supermax facilities, they're still being confined, and we're still paying for their confinement.

What the hell is the difference between keeping them locked up there or here? Why is Obama making such a big thing of it? Is he really that obsessed with what appears to be a largely useless and wholly symbolic gesture?

it's to elevate our appearance to the rest of the world, that's all...there is no more to it...just review what Boxer said yesterday

1030 big steve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:14:16am

re: #1012 Kenneth

One thing I really like about Dick Cheney is the way he clearly doesn't give a shit whether people like him or not. What a refreshing contrast to Obama's preening narcissism.

And the press has really had a problem with this...a politician who doesn't care what they think of him.

1031 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:14:19am

re: #1018 tradewind

Beckel = a male version of Randi Rhodes, on so many levels...

You mean Randi Rhodes isn't a man?!

1032 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:14:33am

Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts


President Obama is so "distracted by his vice president's indiscipline" that he has been forced to rebuke privately Vice President Joe Biden, according to a new book by Newsweek journalist Richard Wolffe, who interviewed Obama a dozen times.

"He can't keep his mouth shut," Wolffe quotes a "senior Obama aide" as saying of the gaffe-prone Biden in "Renegade: The Making of a President," set for release June 2.

1033 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:14:41am

re: #1014 MJ

That ain't right. Hookers don't blackmail.

There's no blackmailing in prostitution!

1034 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:15:02am

re: #1018 tradewind

Beckel = a male version of Randi Rhodes, on so many levels...

I'd love to see Beckel do one of those funny pratfalls.

1035 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:15:07am

re: #1020 albusteve

Cheney is also very very confident...clearly he understands the issue far better than BO


For that matter, I suspect my 10-year-old niece understands the issue better than TOTUS.

1036 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:15:13am

re: #954 Lincolntf
"he did not mention her by name." OK, I get it, didn't mention her by name, just described Pelosi to a "t"!

1037 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:15:19am

New Avengers classic intro:

Lots of Purdey fighting:

1038 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:16:13am

I'm reading a hardcopy of Cheney's speach right now but had to stop and reflect on a line. It was in reference to the lefts mantra that his policies were nothing more that a "recruitment tool" for terrorists:

"It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failue to do so."

Man that's friggin so right on, the left has absolutely no pride in this country and constatntly seeks to find fault in living up to our ideals. I don't think I'll ever really be able to understand it even after following LGF for so long. I think the root casue is the radical and anarachist college professors that indoctrinate young minds with "America's bad" stuff and it becomes trendy for them to parrot out the BS they get "taught" and it just sticks from there on out.

1039 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:16:35am

re: #1029 albusteve

it's to elevate our appearance to the rest of the world, that's all...there is no more to it...just review what Boxer said yesterday

it's to elevate our Obama's appearance to the rest of the world,

FIFY

1040 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:16:38am

"United Jerusalem is Israel's capital. Jerusalem was always ours and will always be ours. It will never again be partitioned and divided," Netanyahu said at a state ceremony to mark Jerusalem Day.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Fine, OK, Dandy but did you tell Obama that?

1041 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:17:02am

re: #1013 Walter L. Newton

I don't think so. They would have to care, be concerned and wanting to consider the best interest of the country. I don't see that happening.

Cheney came out and directly accused Obama's administration of endangering America, especially when he was talking about the terrorist memos, Gitmo, and the CIA. That's as unprecedented as Obama's continued bashing of Bush. I'll bet that Obama is smoking-mad right now. He can't ignore this speech.

1042 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:17:03am

re: #968 Annar
Indeed, wonder what will happen to PayPal and other systems of donating what with these credit card changes?!

1043 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:17:24am

re: #1036 realwest

He said "current Speaker of the House"; that is calling out her name. Her title is her name as much as Mr. President is his name.

1044 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:17:53am

re: #1039 jcm

it's to elevate our Obama's appearance to the rest of the world,

FIFY

ti proves nothing hard and just causes a different type of problem...like the mind of a child

1045 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:18:53am

re: #1041 Russkilitlover

Cheney came out and directly accused Obama's administration of endangering America, especially when he was talking about the terrorist memos, Gitmo, and the CIA. That's as unprecedented as Obama's continued bashing of Bush. I'll bet that Obama is smoking-mad right now. He can't ignore this speech.

exactly...looked BO straight in the eye and shamed him...KO

1046 Ben Hur  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:19:04am
1047 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:19:20am

re: #1032 NJDhockeyfan

Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts

President Obama is so "distracted by his vice president's indiscipline" that he has been forced to rebuke privately Vice President Joe Biden, according to a new book by Newsweek journalist Richard Wolffe, who interviewed Obama a dozen times.
"He can't keep his mouth shut," Wolffe quotes a "senior Obama aide" as saying of the gaffe-prone Biden in "Renegade: The Making of a President," set for release June 2.

Overheard in the rebuke:
"Joe, you need to speak more about me. Don't you know that I'm the one we've been waiting for? You need to remind people that I won. Get with the fucking program and remember that I am the program"
/

1048 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:19:32am

re: #1010 Jimmah

She has been in a few things. Her best role of all was 'Purdy' in the New Avengers.

[Link: www.buckinghamcovers.com...]

[Link: i287.photobucket.com...]

She was also in the lamentable "Sapphire and Steel" with David McCallum. The less said about that one the better.

Okay, the New Avengers is the one I was thinking of.

1049 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:19:32am

re: #1016 buzzsawmonkey

Because "Gitmo is a stain upon our once great nation" and an "Al Qaeda recruitment tool". But US prisons are a perfect deterrent. After all, Obama mentioned the case of Abu Hamza, the Blind Sheihk who was imprisoned for his roll in the 1993 WTC bombing. Putting him in prison was so successful at deterring Al Qaeda they never again attacked the WTC. Well, not a few years anyway.

1050 nyc redneck  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:19:38am

i'm going to say it again, i love dick cheney.
he is a national treasure and i believe he will have major role to play in the future
after o's rolling out the red carpet for our enemy.

1051 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:20:10am

re: #1036 realwest

Exactly. Everyone knew he was talking about.

1052 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:20:43am
1053 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:21:55am

*ZZZzzz*

Huh? What...? Must've dozed off for a few hours. I think that's what's supposed to happen during the night, anyways...

1054 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:22:38am

re: #1038 turn

Great quote, worth re-posting:

"It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failure to do so."

1055 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:23:01am

re: #1044 albusteve

ti proves nothing hard and just causes a different type of problem...like the mind of a child

Nothing can't be fixed by being popular!

1056 Athos  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:24:52am

re: #1049 Kenneth

Because "Gitmo is a stain upon our once great nation" and an "Al Qaeda recruitment tool". But US prisons are a perfect deterrent. After all, Obama mentioned the case of Abu Hamza, the Blind Sheihk who was imprisoned for his roll in the 1993 WTC bombing. Putting him in prison was so successful at deterring Al Qaeda they never again attacked the WTC. Well, not a few years anyway.

There's a certain clueless arrogance to think that others, including our enemies, do nothing but react to our actions and policies as opposed to executing their agenda to achieve their goals.

Perhaps we are hated not because of the actions of the Bush Administration, but in the narcissism, contempt, and arrogance of American's left.

1057 lurking faith  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:25:09am

re: #1041 Russkilitlover

Cheney came out and directly accused Obama's administration of endangering America, especially when he was talking about the terrorist memos, Gitmo, and the CIA. That's as unprecedented as Obama's continued bashing of Bush. I'll bet that Obama is smoking-mad right now. He can't ignore this speech.

Good. Obama is NOT fulfilling his Constitutional duties. And it's about time somebody said so in a way that can't be easily ignored.

Besides, Obama's been accusing (and/or allowing others to accuse) the Bush administration of criminal behavior. Did he really think they would all sit quietly and take it?

He's so full of himself, he probably did.

1058 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #1017 nyc redneck
Yep and Bush's is up 6 points and he hasn't said a word!

1059 JHW  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:25:45am

Beckel's one of those guys that always brags about his blue-collar roots, he's for the working man, against the fat-cats, the same old Dem schtick that many voters eat up after bowing to their portrait of FDR. His dad was a delivery man of some sort, so Beckel brags he knows all about the working stiff and how the greedy ones are raping them. I doubt if he's done any manual labor in his life, certainly not for decades. Some defender of the "working class".

1060 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:26:43am
1061 tradewind  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:28:14am

re: #982 lawhawk

I think BHO is going for ' brilliant pragmatist '.
In his own eyes, anyway...

1062 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:28:15am

re: #1054 Kenneth

I'm not done reading it yet but I doubt I'll find a better quote. Man I wish Cheney was our president. Do you think he wrote this speech himself? He must have had some help. At any rate I guess I'll have to go read O's speech next, its not going to make any sense to me and my mind will be all twisted in a know when I'm done but I'll try anyway.

1063 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:28:27am

re: #874 Justabill

No, they will lose all the people who pay on time every month. This might cost them money or save them money, depending on if the cost to keep the accounts open plus the amount spent on "rewards" plus the minuscule amount of interest on the charges from when they are made to the first due date exceeds the couple percent they are making from the merchants pay when the card is used plus any annual fee the card holder might pay.

People who pay on time every month are the least profitable customers for the CC companies. The most profitable are the ones who keep their cards maxed, pay only the minimum, pay the highest interest rates, and occasionally pay late or go over limit - thus generating large fees.

1064 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:29:10am

re: #1062 turn

I'm not done reading it yet but I doubt I'll find a better quote. Man I wish Cheney was our president. Do you think he wrote this speech himself? He must have had some help. At any rate I guess I'll have to go read O's speech next, its not going to make any sense to me and my mind will be all twisted in a know when I'm done but I'll try anyway.

Where did you find the speech? I'd like to read it too...

1065 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:30:18am

re: #1054 Kenneth


"It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failure to do so."

Just truly superb because its all TRUE. Obama woulnd't recognize the truth of that because he is ignorant of American History and he DOES NOT LIKE NOR RESPECT AMERICA.

1066 capitalist piglet  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:30:24am

re: #1033 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That ain't right. Hookers don't blackmail.

There's no blackmailing in prostitution!

Correct. Beckel was working on a sting operation. These extortionists are behind bars, thanks to this outspoken Democrat.
/msnbc

1067 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:32:16am

re: #1056 Athos
Indeed my friend - as I said in my #1065 America's LEFT is ignorant of our history and contemptuous of what we have accomplished and are striving to improve.

1068 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:32:36am

re: #1056 Athos

There's a certain clueless arrogance to think that others, including our enemies, do nothing but react to our actions and policies as opposed to executing their agenda to achieve their goals.

Perhaps we are hated not because of the actions of the Bush Administration, but in the narcissism, contempt, and arrogance of American's left.

Bingo! It's Obama's narcissism speaking. Remember his campaign speeches, in which he castigated America for it's "original sin of slavery", for which we could only be redeemed by voting for Him. Obama sees Himself as The One We Have Been Waiting For, the Secular Redeemer of America.

1069 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:33:34am

re: #1024 realwest

{realwest} stay strong, you're my idol!

1070 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:34:20am

re: #1066 capitalist piglet

Or maybe he was researching the terrible working conditions of non-unionized DC hookers.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

1071 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:35:27am

re: #1069 callahan23
{callahan23} I'm you're idol?! Well you can always ding up my comments if you want to, but seriously, you need a much better person than I am to be your idol. Seriously.
But thank you.

1072 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:35:53am

The great thing about Quayle is, he makes Palin look smart.

1073 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:35:55am
1074 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:37:17am

re: #1072 Cato the Elder

The great thing about Quayle is, he makes Palin Biden look smart.

1075 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:38:00am

re: #1074 Lincolntf

Nah, that doesn't work either.

1076 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:38:03am

re: #1072 Cato the Elder

The great thing about Quayle is, he makes Palin look smart.


Bullshit.

1077 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:38:39am
1078 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:40:59am

re: #1077 Iron Fist
That's funny bro' - Beckel looks sorta like two men with one head, just two legs, arms and not a brain between him.
What's his claim to fame again? Oh yeah, he was Mondale's campaign manager. You remember ole Mondale doncha? How well he did in that election for POTUS?
/

1079 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:41:19am

re: #1072 Cato the Elder

Tina Fey makes Democrats feel superior & smug.

1080 capitalist piglet  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:41:37am

re: #1072 Cato the Elder

The great thing about Quayle is, he makes Palin look smart.

...said the Biden voter.

1081 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:42:37am

re: #1080 capitalist piglet

...said the Biden voter.

ROFL!

1082 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:42:45am

re: #1078 realwest

He was also deputy assistant secretary of state for the Carter administration. That worked out real well!

1083 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:43:09am

re: #1071 realwest

{callahan23} I'm you're idol?! Well you can always ding up my comments if you want to, but seriously, you need a much better person than I am to be your idol. Seriously.
But thank you.

All people like you who are such humble, clear minded, rational thinkers with a heart are admirable. Plus you cope with your cancer that makes you idol material.
Just sayin'.
;-)
{realwest}

1084 Lincolntf  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:43:25am

re: #1079 Kenneth

The contempt for, and ridicule of, Gov. Palin is a great window into the hatred that drives the Left. Doesn't matter if it's Reagan, Bush, Palin, Cheney, whoever thatthey vent their spleen on just so long as they have someone to hate.

1085 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:43:30am

re: #1079 Kenneth
And hey, unlike Obama/Bidens efforts, Palin at least got someone some employment!

1086 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:46:16am

re: #961 lurking faith

Besides which, cutting sales staff and advertising during a downturn is extremely stupid. You cut those, and you're cutting your sales and income.

Exactly, I think cutting dealerships is going to cut unit sales, and the auto industry is all about volume, particularly at the manufacturer level.

1087 Liberal Classic  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:47:14am

The future will be better tomorrow.

1088 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:47:44am

re: #962 irongrampa

So how does Cheney's ass taste, Barack?

So how does Obama's lunch taste, Cheney?

1089 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:48:14am

re: #1083 callahan23
Ah well, geez...still waiting on those updings!

Seriously, thank you, again. But there are lot more people out there - folks who haven't broken the Fifth Commandment as often as I have to be your idol.

1090 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:48:58am

re: #1087 Liberal Classic

"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future." - George Orwell

1091 realwest  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:49:05am

re: #1088 Son of the Black Dog

So how does Obama's lunch taste, Cheney?

Um, what?

1092 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #1089 realwest

Dings are sure a done deal.
Need to hurry.
I'll be back later in the evening.

1093 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:51:22am

re: #1091 realwest

Um, what?

I think he's saying that Cheney drank 0bama's milkshake. Ate his lunch.

1094 lawhawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:51:29am

re: #1049 Kenneth

Not to mention that Lynne Stewart was passing on the Sheikh's orders to his minions over in Egypt.

1095 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:52:11am

re: #987 Athos

Very well put.

1096 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:53:50am

re: #1076 realwest

Bullshit.

You mean he makes her look stupid? Even I don't think that poorly of her. ;^)

1097 turn  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:57:31am

re: #1064 LGoPs

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

1098 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:25:21am

Oh, dear. My comment on the Wasilla Hillbilly has brought down disapproval on my head. I shall go weep in shame.

1099 Kenneth  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #1094 lawhawk

Not to mention that Lynne Stewart was passing on the Sheikh's orders to his minions over in Egypt.

Is Lynne Stewart in jail now, or has she been hired to Obama's Justice Department?

1100 abolitionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:07:06am

re: #909 VegasRick

I wish someone would ask BO if his children were kidnapped and waterboarding a suspect might get the location of the kids, would he use it?

In a waiting room today, saw a full page photo of him with his progeny in a recent weekly news rag. It may have been an ad, but I didn't have time to examine closely. Thought it unwise on his part.


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