Who Cares About a Dead Lemur?

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Organizations with the word “Family” in their name are invariably fundamentalists and creationists (with the possible exception of “Family Planning”), and OneNewsNow, the website of the “American Family News Network,” is a case in point as they react to the news of the “Ida” fossil by consulting Ken Ham, leader of the young earth creationist group Answers in Genesis. Ham’s conclusion: it’s just a dead animal. Big deal.

The ministry has stated: “Because the fossil is similar to a modern lemur (a small, tailed, tree-climbing primate), it’s unlikely that creationists need any interpretation of the ‘missing link’ other than that it was a small, tailed, probably tree-climbing, and now extinct primate — from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week.

Aren’t you glad that’s settled?

If you want to weigh in on the issue, OneNewsNow has helpfully put up a poll asking the question, “Do you believe you evolved from an ape-like creature?”

I don’t think it’s going the way they hoped.

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941 comments
1 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:16:50pm

How bout an LGF poll on the subject?

2 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:17:21pm

They forgot Ron Paul.

3 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:17:47pm

well maybe some believe they have been dropped here by aliens
/////

4 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:17:53pm

No Ron Paul option?

5 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:15pm

re: #3 Gella

well maybe some believe they have been dropped here by aliens
/////

The fossils, the modern humans, or the lemurs?

6 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:18pm

When the facts are not on your side, just dismiss the entire thing out of hand.

7 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:29pm

re: #2 Macker

A mere 32 seconds.

8 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:29pm

If your faith is threatened by a dead lemur.

Examine your faith.

Don't attack the dead lemur.

9 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:43pm

Poll must be from yesterday. The current poll is about peace between Israel and Palestine. I got a kick about one of the options.

Yeah, these idiots are just too damn smug in their beliefs to consider anything new.

10 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:44pm

re: #4 MandyManners

No Ron Paul option?

Choosing unsure is same, no?

11 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:18:57pm

re: #5 Guanxi88

The fossils, the modern humans, or the lemurs?

the 1st unicellular organism that involved into humans
///////////

12 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:19:13pm

re: #2 Macker

They forgot Ron Paul.

re: #4 MandyManners

No Ron Paul option?

Get a room you two!

/// ;-P

13 Manfred the Wonder Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:19:19pm

Darn, and I though one of the choices would be "Yes, and if you're very lucky, one day you might too."

14 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:20:21pm

re: #13 Manfred the Wonder Dog

Darn, and I though one of the choices would be "Yes, and if you're very lucky, one day you might too."

become a human or lemur?
////

15 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:20:32pm

Creation Week?

I'm sorry but really how the hell do these people expect to be taken seriously?

16 martinsmithy  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:20:52pm

I had a neighbor a while back who answered all questions about fossils with the reply, "Didn't you know that carbon dating is a hoax?"

17 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #11 Gella

the 1st unicellular organism that involved into humans
///////////

Ahh, the old panspermia theory?

It's safe, in spite of its name.

18 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:22:00pm

Good Lord, anyone see "Today's Poll?"

When will there be peace between Israel and the Palestinians? (related article)
- When Palestinians have their own independent state
- When Palestinians recognize the right of Israel to exist as an independent state
- When Jesus returns

19 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:22:22pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Creation Week?

I'm sorry but really how the hell do these people expect to be taken seriously?

The King James Version is the text as dictated by God to Moses......

I wish I could claim that was sarcasm.

20 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:23:49pm

re: #17 Guanxi88

Ahh, the old panspermia theory?

It's safe, in spite of its name.

That's what you say, then when we get it on us you'll just laugh and point.

21 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:24:05pm

re: #19 jcm

The King James Version is the text as dictated by God to Moses......

I wish I could claim that was sarcasm.

Aren't we told elsewhere in the Bible that our sense of time is not that of God's?

22 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:24:19pm

Creation week?
I just spewed beer on my monitor!

23 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:24:27pm

re: #19 jcm

The King James Version is the text as dictated by God to Moses......

I wish I could claim that was sarcasm.

Thomas Aquinas would be kicking the crap out of these people if he were alive today.

24 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:25:05pm

re: #17 Guanxi88

Ahh, the old panspermia theory?

It's safe, in spite of its name.

hey at least this theory make some kind of logical sense compare to creationism

25 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #22 DEZes

Creation week?
I just spewed beer on my monitor!

That was my initial reaction as well.

26 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:25:42pm

People like Ken Ham would deny evolution even if God Himself were to come down and say that was exactly how He worked. I find it the height of human arrogance to dictate to God how He goes about His business.

27 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Creation Week?

I'm sorry but really how the hell do these people expect to be taken seriously?

then why nobody announced it on TV?

28 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:26:11pm

re: #24 Gella

hey at least this theory make some kind of logical sense compare to creationism

The Cthulhu Mythos makes more sense than creationism.

29 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:26:26pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

People like Ken Ham would deny evolution even if God Himself were to come down and say that was exactly how He worked. I find it the height of human arrogance to dictate to God how He goes about His business.

so, question is did Ken Ham met G-D personally?

30 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:26:44pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Cthulhu Mythos makes more sense than creationism.

It's better reading, too.

31 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:26:44pm

One does not speak ill of the dead. AS A RULE.

LEAVE IDA ALONE!

32 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:26:48pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That was my initial reaction as well.

Sounds like a game show promotion.
Its creation week on Wheel of Fortune.

33 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:27:08pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Cthulhu Mythos makes more sense than creationism.

so, as Borg :)

34 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:27:33pm

Creation Week is a lot less fun than Pledge Week, or Homecoming Week.

It's the lack of beer, I think.

35 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:28:16pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Creation Week is a lot less fun than Pledge Week, or Homecoming Week.

It's the lack of beer, I think.

maybe stronger medication is involved, just wondering which one?

36 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:28:16pm

re: #29 Gella

so, question is did Ken Ham met G-D personally?

Even if he did, he'd still deny God could use evolution as His mechanism.

37 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:28:41pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Creation Week is a lot less fun than Pledge Week, or Homecoming Week.

It's the lack of beer, I think.

I don't know about that. I can think of a few people whose Creation Week was probably a direct result of large quantities of alcohol.

38 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:29:42pm

probably tree-climbing, and now extinct primate — from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week.

"Moon-Watcher reflects that though he is now master of the world, he is unsure of what to do next—but he will think of something."
notes from 2001 A Space Odyssey.

I love a good fiction...........

39 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't know about that. I can think of a few people whose Creation Week was probably a direct result of large quantities of alcohol.

Not THAT kind of creation week. That's just dirty, and perverted. I will pray for you and your dirty mind lest you go to hell. ////

40 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:30:23pm

I loooooves da [proto]monkey!

/

41 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:30:29pm

re: #3 Gella

well maybe some believe they have been dropped here by aliens
/////

We ARE the aliens.

(Curse you, Lee Adama!)

42 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:30:42pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Not THAT kind of creation week. That's just dirty, and perverted. I will pray for you and your dirty mind lest you go to hell. ////

If I could do it for a week, I would be famous....
And dead.

43 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:31:49pm

re: #21 MandyManners

Aren't we told elsewhere in the Bible that our sense of time is not that of God's?

Time as we know it is part of creation, God created our time, and exists outside of it.

That "solves" a lot of problems you get when you read just the text. The first is "day" in Genesis, the word used there is more akin to era. It gives insight into prophecies being written in the past tense. It also helps with the false pre-destination / free will dichotomy, from God's perspective he can choose individuals before the foundation of the world, and know what we will do He is not constrained by our created time, while in time we have free will to choose.

The best word is eternity, God exists in eternity. That just not and infinite time, it's not constrained time as we known it.

44 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:31:57pm

re: #41 The Other Les

We ARE the aliens.

(Curse you, Lee Adama!)

i say, blame it on Kirk
////////////// now i am gonna have to mentally punish myself for my own words ///////////

45 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:32:15pm

By the way. Someone found a dead squirrel in a bulk box of pecans at the food processing plant I was temping at today.

46 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:32:19pm

re: #41 The Other Les

We ARE the aliens.

(Curse you, Lee Adama!)

You saw my Avatar didnt you.
;)

47 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:32:39pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

Even if he did, he'd still deny God could use evolution as His mechanism.

Don't you love it? On one side, decades worth of scientific research from a variety of different fields, specialties, backgrounds and nations, in an ever developing explanation of how life came about and developed. On the other side, 1 book.

48 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:33:54pm

re: #16 martinsmithy

I had a neighbor a while back who answered all questions about fossils with the reply, "Didn't you know that carbon dating is a hoax?"

Actually its not. But a date with carbon is really boring.

49 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:34:21pm

I went to the library today and checked out some Ken Bruen books. Looking forward to reading them.

50 brookly red  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:35:31pm

re: #45 The Other Les

By the way. Someone found a dead squirrel in a bulk box of pecans at the food processing plant I was temping at today.

I only buy products that are certified squirrel free.

51 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:35:35pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Not THAT kind of creation week. That's just dirty, and perverted. I will pray for you and your dirty mind lest you go to hell. ////

I'm just putting some aside every year so I can buy a Papal indulgence when I get too old to enjoy my wicked ways, but thanks though.

52 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #45 The Other Les

By the way. Someone found a dead squirrel in a bulk box of pecans at the food processing plant I was temping at today.

Pecan order for Huckabee?

53 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:36:32pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Cthulhu Mythos makes more sense than creationism.

I'm sorry to say that you are correct.

54 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:37:19pm

re: #48 The Other Les

Actually its not. But a date with carbon is really boring.

You should try a dating different isotopes, some can leave you glowing.

55 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:37:20pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And these guys forgot Ron Paul too!

56 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:37:45pm

re: #38 IslandLibertarian

probably tree-climbing, and now extinct primate — from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week.

"Moon-Watcher reflects that though he is now master of the world, he is unsure of what to do next—but he will think of something."
notes from 2001 A Space Odyssey.

I love a good fiction...........

The final page of that kept me awake the first time I read that.

57 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:37:56pm

re: #50 brookly red

I only buy products that are certified squirrel free.

Why?

Protein enhanced nuts!

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:38:53pm

A friend of mine was raised Southern Baptist, (Chinese Southern Baptist, which is its own special thing). When she was twelve or so, she asked a question about evolution at bible school. Dude in charge raised his eyebrows and said, "Well, T. I guess this is the question: do you want to be descended from a monkey?"

Leaving out the usual monkey/ape confusion, and the implication that this is not a matter of truth but preference...it's a question. And I have an answer. I love Ida! I think she is cute! I'm looking for more artist's sketches of what she might have looked like! And I am happy to have her in the family! Rock on lemurs!

59 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:38:59pm

re: #57 jcm

Why?

Protein enhanced nuts!

My nuts are always protein enhanced.

60 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:39:30pm

"from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week."

Since no one else is gonna say it....
What a Ham headed thing to say.

61 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:39:34pm

re: #41 The Other Les

We ARE the aliens.

(Curse you, Lee Adama!)

Actually you should curse Starbuck...she's the one who jumped everyone here!

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:39:45pm

Apparently she's pronounced "Ee-da", but I keep saying "Eye-da", because I have an elderly relative called that, and I like to think it's a family name...

63 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:39:47pm

re: #45 The Other Les

By the way. Someone found a dead squirrel in a bulk box of pecans at the food processing plant I was temping at today.

It died and went to heaven?

64 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:39:57pm

re: #46 DEZes

You saw my Avatar didnt you.
;)

Actually no.

[I did!]

Pay no attention to the alien symbiont.

65 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #50 brookly red

I only buy products that are certified squirrel free.

These guys make a really big deal out of using only organic ingredients in their products.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:42:18pm

re: #45 The Other Les

By the way. Someone found a dead squirrel in a bulk box of pecans at the food processing plant I was temping at today.

Are we related? I mean to the squirrel, not one another.

67 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:43:06pm

re: #60 DEZes

"from a kind created on Day 6 of Creation Week."

Since no one else is gonna say it....
What a Ham headed thing to say.

I'm Abel to say you shouldn't raise Cain about it.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #52 jcm

Pecan order for Huckabee?

Did anyone ever get that recipe from him? My grandma-in-law hunts squirrel, and I was wondering if she might give it a try.

69 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:43:20pm
Who Cares About a Dead Lemur?

"Mr. Gorbachev! Tear down Le Mur!"

-Ronald Reagan, speaking in Paris

70 bradshaw  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:43:29pm

Unrelated... For those who may have missed it, replay the clip of "Whoopi busting Beck for lying". He DID NOT claim that they "came over" to him. They seemingly convinced him that he said that which he did not actually say. He then apologized for that which he did not do. Charles is allowing his disdain for Beck to cloud his mind.

71 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:43:57pm

re: #54 jcm

You should try a dating different isotopes, some can leave you glowing.

Um, yeah...

Youtube Video
72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #67 jcm

I'm Abel to say you shouldn't raise Cain about it.

I can't say I take Noah-fense at that.

73 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #64 The Other Les

Actually no.

[I did!]

Pay no attention to the alien symbiont.

were talking about her
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

74 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:44:43pm

re: #19 jcm

The King James Version is the text as dictated by God to Moses......

I wish I could claim that was sarcasm.

"If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for the schoolchildren of Texas."

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:44:52pm

re: #63 Son of the Black Dog

It died and went to heaven?

Just lay my head
On a sack of pecans,
It is my fancy
I do declare.

Irish Squirrel songs

76 Ojoe  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:45:06pm

I evolved from a bear-like creature.

77 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:45:07pm

Ida took one look at Ham and said.
47 million years of evolution for that.
damn.

78 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:46:47pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Creation Week?

I'm sorry but really how the hell do these people expect to be taken seriously?

Sounds like one of those special programming weeks on Discovery.

79 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:46:57pm

OT

Re today's Clash of the Titans!

Charles Krauthammer calls Pres. Obama the king of disingenuousness, who said he didn't want to discuss the past, but referenced the "previous administration" 28 times at least in today's speeches.

80 EaterOfFood  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:05pm

I'd rather be descended from a monkey than be a jackass.

81 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:12pm

re: #67 jcm

I'm Abel to say you shouldn't raise Cain about it.

Who begot who?

82 ducktrapper  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:22pm

Well ... I have no trouble believing that almost everyone evolved from long dead lemmings ... er ... lemurs but I'm just not convinced about me. Maybe it's wishful but I'm thinking there's cats in my background.

83 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #70 bradshaw

Charles is allowing his disdain for Beck to cloud his mind.

Oh, bite me.

84 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #76 Ojoe

I evolved from a bear-like creature.

Your grizzly visage proves it.

85 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:45pm

re: #61 Macker

Actually you should curse Starbuck...she's the one who jumped everyone here!

The problem wasn't our jumping here. It was the abandonment of civilization and the knowledge of the existence of the cycle, thus effectively condemning us to go through the cycle again.

86 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:46pm

re: #81 DEZes

Who begot who?

No, who's on first..

87 Buster  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:46pm

When one considers the site that the poll is posted on, then one can posit the 21.75% is skewed higher than it would be in a poll of the general population. In any case, the poll shows how out of the mainstream creationists are and that we are all paying way too much attention to them. I sometimes believe that the Main Stream Media likes to play up this issue (as well as others) to paint all conservatives as mouth breathing Luddites. Politicians who try not to offend the creationist crowd (Mr Pence comes to mind) look foolish in the bargain.

88 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #21 MandyManners

Aren't we told elsewhere in the Bible that our sense of time is not that of God's?

The Daylight Savings thing?

89 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:49:28pm

re: #88 debutaunt

The Daylight Savings thing?

That's the devils work.......

90 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:49:40pm

re: #83 Charles

Oh, bite me.

Thats twice today I spewed beer.

91 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #76 Ojoe

I evolved from a bear-like creature.

Don't be terribly surprised if you start getting unsolicited e-mails from Andrew Sullivan.

92 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #89 jcm

That's the devils work.......

Big Time is ripping us off!

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:50:08pm

re: #79 alegrias

OT

Re today's Clash of the Titans!

Charles Krauthammer calls Pres. Obama the king of disingenuousness, who said he didn't want to discuss the past, but referenced the "previous administration" 28 times at least in today's speeches.

I think that after the inauguration, there should be Bitching Week. The new president gets to see all the secret stuff. Then he or she is permitted to take the week off while the staff get revved up, and travel around the country, complaining about how lousy the last administration was.

Nothing said during this time may be referenced later by opponents or pundits. They can go completely over the top. No holds barred.

After that, they are never allowed to imply that anything is the last administration's fault.

94 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:50:49pm

VICTORY!

Gurkhas are "coming home" after famous victory on settlement

All Gurkha veterans were finally granted the right to live in Britain yesterday as the Government was forced into a humiliating climbdown.

95 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:50:57pm

OT

Gaack, attention whore John McCain goes on the record with Greta van Susteren tonight on how to rebrand the GOP. This after running around today with his demoted democrat advisor John Weaver, arch nemesis of Karl Rove.

(will the Mack bring his celebrity debutant daughter Meghan the shoe fetishist too for extra insight into the desires of non-trustfunded Americans who want tax cuts & strong defense?)

96 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:51:54pm

re: #21 MandyManners

Aren't we told elsewhere in the Bible that our sense of time is not that of God's?

Yep, God's got more of a Latino sense of time. For instance, if God invites you to a dinner party that "begins at 8 pm", it's best not to actually roll in 'till around 9:15.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:52:23pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

VICTORY!

Gurkhas are "coming home" after famous victory on settlement

Rock on! Now, let us do as well or better by Filipino fighters who supported us during the war.

98 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:52:44pm

re: #76 Ojoe

I evolved from a bear-like creature.

Every morning I evolve from a bare-like creature.
/They would look at me funny at work if I forgot to dress.

99 wrenchwench  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:52:51pm

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Yep, God's got more of a Latino sense of time. For instance, if God invites you to a dinner party that "begins at 8 pm", it's best not to actually roll in 'till around 9:15.

And the Latino Mass is making a comeback, too.

100 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:52:57pm

re: #86 Guanxi88

No, who's on first..

That pervert.

101 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:53:08pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Are we related? I mean to the squirrel, not one another.

Possibly.

I strongly suspect that the Lords of Kobol did not actually create mankind ex nihilo, but instead cheated by taking some hominids from our Earth and modifed them to full Humans to use them as servants on Kobol.

Then someone created the Cylons Version 1.0 (aka the "Earth" Cylons), and things got really, really, really messy.

102 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:53:46pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

And the Latino Mass is making a comeback, too.

ww ... that is actually true ...

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:54:16pm

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Yep, God's got more of a Latino sense of time. For instance, if God invites you to a dinner party that "begins at 8 pm", it's best not to actually roll in 'till around 9:15.

My poor parents. They were invited to a graduation party for a daughter of one of my dad's work friends. Mexican born parents, daughter raised in the Bay Area.

My folks had been away from LA too long. The party started at seven, and they were there by 7:15. No kidding. The tablecloths weren't on the tables yet. They had to leave and go get coffee, and come back.

104 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:54:40pm

'bradshaw,' by the way, is a sock puppet for banned user 'mcclain,' and it is now banned for the second time.

'mcclain' was banned for being a jerk about the death of Barack Obama's grandmother, and suggesting that Obama concealed it for several days in order to 'capitalize' on it.

No surprise that it's a Glenn Beck fan.

105 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:55:24pm

re: #73 Gella

were talking about her
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Actually MY alien symbiont is a bit of a running joke I've been doing for a while.

[I do NOT consider myself to be a running joke!]

Sigh...

106 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:55:58pm

re: #83 Charles

Oh, bite me.

hahahahahahahhahahahahahhaaaa

107 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:56:07pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

"If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for the schoolchildren of Texas."

Sorry. No habla stupid.

108 Altermite  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:56:23pm

I think avanti linked to that same poll yesterday, though it was about 60-40 then.

109 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:56:45pm

re: #104 Charles

'bradshaw,' by the way, is a sock puppet for banned user 'mcclain,' and it is now banned for the second time.

'mcclain' was banned for being a jerk about the death of Barack Obama's grandmother, and suggesting that Obama concealed it for several days in order to 'capitalize' on it.

No surprise that it's a Glenn Beck fan.

C ... it would be funny to see a "family tree" of sockpuppets ...

110 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:56:55pm

re: #70 bradshaw

OK, padawan.

111 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:57:05pm

re: #105 The Other Les

Actually MY alien symbiont is a bit of a running joke I've been doing for a while.

[I do NOT consider myself to be a running joke!]

Sigh...

Hmmm, perhaps a running gag would be appropiate. ;)

112 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:57:31pm

re: #104 Charles

'bradshaw,' by the way, is a sock puppet for banned user 'mcclain,' and it is now banned for the second time.

'mcclain' was banned for being a jerk about the death of Barack Obama's grandmother, and suggesting that Obama concealed it for several days in order to 'capitalize' on it.

No surprise that it's a Glenn Beck fan.

Do they register using the same email address?

113 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:58:15pm

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Yep, God's got more of a Latino sense of time. For instance, if God invites you to a dinner party that "begins at 8 pm", it's best not to actually roll in 'till around 9:15.

I'm sick from laughing!

114 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:58:16pm

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

115 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:58:26pm

re: #92 Guanxi88

Big Time is ripping us off!

I do a lot of things for the Time Being.

Does the Time Being appreciate this?

Noooooooooo.

116 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

In other words, only creationist's votes are valid.

117 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:59:43pm

Excellent. Of course you know they'll blame it on the "Marxist-Darwinists" for hijacking the poll. Which they already have:

Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution website.

118 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:59:52pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

Not just targeted, it was hit, in the magazine.

119 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 21, 2009 3:59:58pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

So they want an echo chamber, figures.

120 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:00:20pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

Yeh, guess that proves they are only interested in their point of view.

121 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:00:50pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

There it is.

/Evolutionist conspiracy!

122 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:01:04pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

Actually, they should question the results regardless of the outcome or whether it was targeted by any group.

Unless there's rigorous means to insure that one person only does one vote, it's not a scientific poll. Most places handle this easily enough by simply stating "not a scientific poll".

123 pingjockey  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:01:13pm

The 'evil' Darwinists hijacked the poll! Darwin Rules!

124 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:01:18pm

re: #115 The Other Les

I do a lot of things for the Time Being.

Does the Time Being appreciate this?

Noooooooooo.

Report your complaint to the Time Lords.

125 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:01:30pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

"Targeted." I love it. They put a poll on the Internet, then complain that other sites link to it, because they're ... evil pro-evolution targeters!

126 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Excellent. Of course you know they'll blame it on the "Marxist-Darwinists" for hijacking the poll. Which they already have:

Several.... website....

Grammar check on aisle 6 please.

127 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #122 gmsc

Actually, they should question the results regardless of the outcome or whether it was targeted by any group.

Unless there's rigorous means to insure that one person only does one vote, it's not a scientific poll. Most places handle this easily enough by simply stating "not a scientific poll".

Since when did these people give a fig about the scientific method?

128 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:02:20pm

re: #111 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, perhaps a running gag would be appropiate. ;)

[I actually can't run at all. I have to ride along with Les. It would be really nice if he could, you know, drive somewhere interesting once in a while.]

129 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:02:23pm

re: #125 Charles

"Targeted." I love it. They put a poll on the Internet, then complain that other sites link to it, because they're ... evil pro-evolution targeters!

Throw out the high and low or just the high?

130 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:02:32pm

re: #121 Gus 802

There it is.

/Evolutionist conspiracy!

Hey, Mr Ham, someone has been monkeying around with our evolution poll.

131 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:03:08pm

re: #126 jcm

Several.... website....

Grammar check on aisle 6 please.

Argh. Me cut and past got cut off.

132 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:03:18pm

And pastE.

133 Etaoin Shrdlu  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:03:24pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Good Lord, anyone see "Today's Poll?"

When will there be peace between Israel and the Palestinians? (related article)
- When Palestinians have their own independent state
- When Palestinians recognize the right of Israel to exist as an independent state
- When Jesus returns

I'd bet on #3 happening before #2 – and I'm an atheist.

134 Kragar  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:03:53pm

re: #125 Charles

"Targeted." I love it. They put a poll on the Internet, then complain that other sites link to it, because they're ... evil pro-evolution targeters!

"QUIT USING OUR MATERIAL AGAINST US!"

135 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:04:12pm

re: #130 DEZes

Hey, Mr Ham, someone has been monkeying around with our evolution poll.

Damn you mean monkeys are voting too? Who the hell passed out computers at the zoo?

136 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:04:32pm

Mouse Traps

Youtube Video
137 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:05:20pm

re: #135 screaming_eagle

Damn you mean monkeys are voting too? Who the hell passed out computers at the zoo?

Evolution at work. ;)

138 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:06:15pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Argh. Me cut and past got cut off.

For punishment you have to go give them a no vote.

//// ;-P

139 Altermite  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:06:18pm

Oh dear. Has anyone else read their comments section? Its like wading through stupid.

Seriously- these people are celebrating Ham's statement that 'its just a dead monkey' as an insurmountable refute to the theory of evolution.
/Did you know that its a theory because they haven't proven it yet?/

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:06:23pm

I am a "creation-ist", in a certain sense, but I've kept quiet because the word's been taken over by events.

I believe God created the universe in some unknown, AND unknowable, way, way th' heck back at whatever it was -- call it a Big Bang, to have a name for it. I believe God created a system which would come to use things like evolution, and whatever else we haven't yet discovered.

(There's no empiricism involved. It's what I feel. I have no special insight. It's merely who I am at this point in in my spirit journey.)

If someone wants to start teaching that in science classes, I will scream bloody murder. They will be cheapening both science and what I believe.

/now going to the side of the room

141 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:06:59pm

re: #135 screaming_eagle

Damn you mean monkeys are voting too? Who the hell passed out computers at the zoo?

You didn't expect them to keep using typewriters did you? Now that they have laptops, the Infinite Monkey Experiment is expected to take 1/3 of the time originally estimated, but they didn't account for unauthorized web surfing.

142 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:07:02pm

re: #101 The Other Les

Possibly.

I strongly suspect that the Lords of Kobol did not actually create mankind ex nihilo, but instead cheated by taking some hominids from our Earth and modifed them to full Humans to use them as servants on Kobol.

Then someone created the Cylons Version 1.0 (aka the "Earth" Cylons), and things got really, really, really messy.

The Lords of Kobol. Are they related to the Dukes of Nortran?

143 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:07:10pm

re: #135 screaming_eagle

Damn you mean monkeys are voting too? Who the hell passed out computers at the zoo?

Micheal Moore's ghost writers.

144 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:07:25pm

re: #137 DEZes

Evolution at work. ;)

Would that then prove the poll not realtive? Or maybe it's a trick, people have been training monkeys for years just to vote in on-line polls regarding evolution.

145 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:08:05pm

re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I believe God created a system which would come to use things like evolution

Which leads me inexorably to a Captain Kirk-esque "why does God need a starship?" sort of theological question, but I'll let it go for now.

146 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:08:11pm

re: #136 Idle Drifter

Mouse Traps


Nice, simple, and clear. Now, if we could only build a better one.

147 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:08:43pm

re: #130 DEZes

Hey, Mr Ham, someone has been monkeying around with our evolution poll.

The poll results are the product of intelligent design.

//

148 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:09:01pm

re: #141 CyanSnowHawk

You didn't expect them to keep using typewriters did you? Now that they have laptops, the Infinite Monkey Experiment is expected to take 1/3 of the time originally estimated, but they didn't account for unauthorized web surfing.

Monkeys porn sites?

149 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:09:18pm

"White House says 50 Gitmo detainees cleared for transfer."

Gonna be living in Chicago?

150 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:09:31pm

re: #142 Son of the Black Dog

The Lords of Kobol. Are they related to the Dukes of Nortran?

You mean "Fortran", right?

I've actually wondered if "Kobol" wasn't indeed a geeky inside joke from the original series.

151 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:09:38pm

re: #9 BlueCanuck

Poll must be from yesterday. The current poll is about peace between Israel and Palestine. I got a kick about one of the options.

Yeah, these idiots are just too damn smug in their beliefs to consider anything new.

Yes, I thought the Palis will recognize Israel's right to exist when Mashiach comes, so two of their choices are the same, really.
(Personally, I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, but when the Messiah comes, then, if necessary, I'll change my opinion. Somehow, I think I won't have to change, but we don't need a discussion on this)

152 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:09:39pm

Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

153 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:09:52pm

re: #142 Son of the Black Dog

The Lords of Kobol. Are they related to the Dukes of Nortran?

I don't think so. Perhaps the Dukes of Hazzard?

154 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:10:08pm

re: #149 debutaunt

"White House says 50 Gitmo detainees cleared for transfer."

Gonna be living in Chicago?

deb ... uh, did't ole Rev. Wright just build a big ole house ... I am thinking he may have room ..

155 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:10:10pm

re: #145 Occasional Reader

Which leads me inexorably to a Captain Kirk-esque "why does God need a starship?" sort of theological question, but I'll let it go for now.

That was a great question, in the context of the script.

156 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:10:38pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

You mean "Fortran", right?

I've actually wondered if "Kobol" wasn't indeed a geeky inside joke from the original series.

You might be right. I wonder what language the Cylon code was written in?
////

157 smokefire  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:11:04pm

............there are some learned men that believe man descended from a monkey, there are some of you that may think that I descended from a monkey, but I defy any of you to say that Robert E.Lee descended from a monkey..............General George Pickett.

158 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:11:45pm

re: #139 Altermite

Oh dear. Has anyone else read their comments section? Its like wading through stupid.

Seriously- these people are celebrating Ham's statement that 'its just a dead monkey' as an insurmountable refute to the theory of evolution.
/Did you know that its a theory because they haven't proven it yet?/

I just did, try this idiot on for size.

"I put a lot more faith in Ken Ham's position than I do in the scientific community. It's sort of like those who read the Bible and make it say what they want it to say. If you look hard enough for words you want it to say, you'll interpret those words to fit your position. The scientific communitiy is the same way. They'll see the missing link in a lemur if they look long and hard enough!"

I see missing links all over that web site.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:11:53pm

re: #148 screaming_eagle

Monkeys porn sites?

Well, resarch has demonstrated that monkeys will trade snacks for porn, so if they discovered free sites, I assume that would have some appeal.

160 avanti  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:12:12pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The admins at the site have put up a note about their poll

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

Who'd have thunk it ? :)

161 Buster  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:12:17pm

re: #109 JacksonTn

No branches?

162 The Other Les  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:12:18pm

re: #152 CapeCoddah

Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

May I suggest that the Honorable Idiot from New Hampshire be Snowboarded?

163 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:12:49pm

re: #145 Occasional Reader

Which leads me inexorably to a Captain Kirk-esque "why does God need a starship?" sort of theological question, but I'll let it go for now.

My version of it would be, why did God need "six days"?
Why not just a single instant?

/angels dancing on the head of a pin

164 pingjockey  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:03pm

BBL

165 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:08pm

re: #146 Guanxi88

Nice, simple, and clear. Now, if we could only build a better one.


This guy seems to be on to something.

166 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:10pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, resarch has demonstrated that monkeys will trade snacks for porn, so if they discovered free sites, I assume that would have some appeal.

So that's what those free "wind-up" "UN" laptops were really for.

//

167 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:14pm

re: #149 debutaunt

"White House says 50 Gitmo detainees cleared for transfer."

Gonna be living in Chicago?

Carbeeni Greens is almost empty, actually its not funny at all

168 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:16pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

You mean "Fortran", right?

I've actually wondered if "Kobol" wasn't indeed a geeky inside joke from the original series.

Of course I meant Fortran, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Kobol was an inside joke. Though not very inside.

169 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:13:50pm

re: #162 The Other Les

LOL!

170 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:14:07pm

re: #165 Idle Drifter

This guy seems to be on to something.

Dammit! That thing looks so AWESOME I'd gladly raise mice just to justify having it around.

171 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:14:13pm

Looking at his recent performances, I'm seriously beginning to think Glenn Beck might be on the verge of a full blown Ickeian meltdown any day now. I can certainly picture him (David Icke) being a guest on his show before long:

"So David - people say a lot of things about you like 'Oh that crazy David Icke dude - he believes in lizard conspiracies'. As someone who knows a thing or two about being labelled 'crazy' I gotta ask - are you really as crazy as the 'mainstream' media out there says you are?"

172 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:14:23pm

Proof that John Travolta was descended from a lemur:

Youtube Video
173 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:14:28pm

re: #163 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My version of it would be, why did God need "six days"?

Damn unions!

174 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:14:29pm

re: #163 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My version of it would be, why did God need "six days"?
Why not just a single instant?

/angels dancing on the head of a pin

pbmb ... maybe it was ... IMO (so don't slam me) ... I am a Christian but do not believe everything in the bible ... stories most of it ... just a way to keep people on what they perceived as "the right path" ...

175 avanti  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:15:00pm

re: #152 CapeCoddah

Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Chump change, Hannity has not accepted $1000 a second to be given to our troops for taking a waterboarding spin.

176 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:15:10pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, resarch has demonstrated that monkeys will trade snacks for porn, so if they discovered free sites, I assume that would have some appeal.

I think they're moonlighting as Nigerian lawyers; it explains the emails.

177 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:16:25pm

My grandfather was not a darn lemur!

//Coming to a school board meeting near you.

178 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:16:57pm

re: #172 Charles

Proof that John Travolta was descended from a lemur:


Ha ha staying alive.

179 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:17:14pm

re: #177 Gus 802

My grandfather was not a darn lemur!

//Coming to a school board meeting near you.

But my Grandmother knew how to darn socks.

180 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:17:18pm

re: #176 Guanxi88

I think they're moonlighting as Nigerian lawyers; it explains the emails.

Certainly explains the SPELLING in the e-mails!

181 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:18:25pm

re: #152 CapeCoddah

Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

I was just up in Rhode Island. Wish I had known. Not that a peace loving non violent soul like me would ever lift a finger? Well Jaba got hit with a pitch and is out of the game in the first, but I see at least a few Marines got the $1000 seats in Yankee Stadium. Good for them.

182 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:18:52pm

re: #174 JacksonTn

pbmb ... maybe it was ... IMO (so don't slam me) ... I am a Christian but do not believe everything in the bible ... stories most of it ... just a way to keep people on what they perceived as "the right path" ...

heh ... go back and look at my post about a "Big Bang".

/*shrugs* ... asks ... "who knows?!"

183 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:18:55pm

"Please ignore our lying ass poll which as you can see came up with the wrong result, instead of the proper creationist-biased result."

184 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:19:06pm

re: #175 avanti

Chump change, Hannity has not accepted $1000 a second to be given to our troops for taking a waterboarding spin.

Might I suggest an alternative demonstration of goodwill and harmlessness of the thing advocated? Howsabout Barry et al empty their bank accounts into the treasury, continue "working," and host a cadre of Gitmo "guests" in their garages.

As for stupid grandstanding stunts like the one proposed there - the act would be filmed for endless masturbatory session on Kos et al.

185 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:19:10pm

re: #178 DEZes

Ha ha stayingnding alive upright.

FTFY

186 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:19:29pm

01:44 U.S. Vice President Biden heads to Lebanon to discuss military aid (Reuters)

How do you spell recipe for disaster?

187 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:20:13pm

re: #185 callahan23

FTFY

Oh thats good.
:)

188 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:20:17pm

re: #172 Charles

You can tell by the way he walks...

189 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:20:24pm

re: #186 Nevergiveup

01:44 U.S. Vice President Biden heads to Lebanon to discuss military aid (Reuters)

How do you spell recipe for disaster?

I do believe they already have the recipe... they sent Joe, did they not?

190 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:20:48pm

Last update - 00:43 22/05/2009

Netanyahu: Jerusalem holy sites will remain Israeli forever

Holy bat shit Bat Man?

191 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:21:01pm

re: #187 DEZes

Oh thats good.
:)

I have my lucid moments. ;-)

192 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:21:18pm

re: #167 Gella

Carbeeni Greens Cabrini Green is almost empty, actually its not funny at all

There, fixed that for ya!

193 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:21:47pm

re: #186 Nevergiveup

01:44 U.S. Vice President Biden heads to Lebanon to discuss military aid (Reuters)

How do you spell recipe for disaster?

Obama does understand that the thought of President Biden is keeping a number of assassins at bay, doesn't he?
///////////////

194 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:22:19pm

Very busy here.
Out for the night.

195 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:22:25pm

They are both very safe... #3 is Pelosi

196 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:23:19pm

re: #195 CapeCoddah

They are both very safe... #3 is Pelosi

CC ... scary ...

197 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:23:29pm

re: #192 Macker

There, fixed that for ya!

thanks :) still not funny thou

198 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:23:43pm

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

Obama does understand that the thought of President Biden is keeping a number of assassins at bay, doesn't he?
///////////////

And Biden has Pelosi covering his ass.
//
/

199 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:23:51pm

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

Obama does understand that the thought of President Biden is keeping a number of assassins at bay, doesn't he?
///////////////

I got to be careful here. Wife and kids and mother in law are away till Sunday. I just bought myself an aged T-Bone and Mash potatoes and grilled that baby up. Along with some scotch and beer. I'm feeling pretty good, so if I say anything outlandish, well I really mean it?

200 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:23:56pm

re: #196 JacksonTn

CC ... scary ...

That is quite an understatement!

201 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:24:12pm

re: #198 screaming_eagle

And Biden has Pelosi covering his ass.
//
/

Now that is really a scary thought!

202 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:24:16pm

re: #198 screaming_eagle

And Biden has Pelosi covering his ass.
//
/

Brain Bleach!
Blech.

203 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:25:54pm

I got to give the Yankee's credit. They do seem to giving the Sailors and Marines some of the better seats.

204 jones  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:25:59pm

What about "Sly and The Family Stone?"

205 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:26:12pm

Oh heres another one.

" I found a bat skeleton in the fire place the other day, I wonder what they can come up for that? Should be interesting don't you think?"

All to easy.
Your a ding bat.
Say hi to your ancestor.

206 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:26:20pm

re: #199 Nevergiveup

Along with some scotch and beer. I'm feeling pretty good, so if I say anything outlandish, well I really mean it?

Beware the IronFist rule. It kinda sneaks up and grabs you when you aren't paying attention.

/been there done that. Got the down dings.

207 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:27:01pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

I got to give the Yankee's credit. They do seem to giving the Sailors and Marines some of the better seats.

That is only because they cannot sell them.

208 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:27:02pm

re: #204 jones

What about "Sly and The Family Stone?"

jones ... I spit on Sly ... he was a "no-show" at three concerts I bought tickets for in the 70s ... of course, I still listened to his music ...

209 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:27:08pm

re: #206 BlueCanuck

Beware the IronFist rule. It kinda sneaks up and grabs you when you aren't paying attention.

/been there done that. Got the down dings.

Ya talking about here or the significant other?

210 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:28:14pm

re: #207 CapeCoddah

That is only because they cannot sell them.

OK I'll give ya that one, but still, they ain't putting them in the bleachers. On Fleet Week they treat them A-OK.

211 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:28:30pm

re: #205 DEZes

Oh heres another one.

" I found a bat skeleton in the fire place the other day, I wonder what they can come up for that? Should be interesting don't you think?"

All to easy.
Your a ding bat.
Say hi to your ancestor.

LMAO

212 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:28:57pm

re: #210 Nevergiveup

OK I'll give ya that one, but still, they ain't putting them in the bleachers. On Fleet Week they treat them A-OK.

Good PR.

213 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:29:09pm

Oh and Jeter and Cano go back to back doubles, Yanks up 1-0

214 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:29:12pm

re: #205 DEZes

Oh heres another one.

" I found a bat skeleton in the fire place the other day, I wonder what they can come up for that? Should be interesting don't you think?"

All to easy.
Your a ding bat.
Say hi to your ancestor.

I think we've come upon a news source for moonbattery. Here's another one:

It is amazing that your poll shows 78% believing they evolved from an ape-like creature. What lies they have come to believe...soaked them up like a sponge, never questioning the bias of a secular scientist.

215 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:29:51pm

re: #209 Nevergiveup

Ya talking about here or the significant other?

Yes. heh heh heh

216 jones  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #208 JacksonTn

jones ... I spit on Sly ... he was a "no-show" at three concerts I bought tickets for in the 70s ... of course, I still listened to his music ...


I feel the same way about Nirvana. They skipped 2 concerts in one day on me back in '90.

I have never let it go.

217 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:30:14pm

Sly ... my favorite song of his ...

Youtube Video
218 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:30:33pm

re: #214 Gus 802

That is way beyond moonbattery. That is just plain sad.

219 avanti  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:30:39pm

re: #198 screaming_eagle

And Biden has Pelosi covering his ass.
//
/

A Pelosi poll you may like.

poll.

220 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:30:57pm

All those who came from Marxist-Darwinist website to vote in this poll will be beheaded!

Or stoned!

//

221 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:31:20pm

re: #215 BlueCanuck

Yes. heh heh heh

Blue! What up..You on a different shift these days?

222 jones  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #205 DEZes

Oh heres another one.

" I found a bat skeleton in the fire place the other day, I wonder what they can come up for that? Should be interesting don't you think?"

All to easy.
Your a ding bat.
Say hi to your ancestor.


That a bat once lived in your chimney.

223 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:31:51pm

re: #219 avanti

A Pelosi poll you may like.

poll.

How can Obama get high grades?

224 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:32:04pm

re: #214 Gus 802

Its fun aint it.
wanna do a few more?

225 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:32:26pm

re: #220 Gus 802

All those who came from Marxist-Darwinist website to vote in this poll will be beheaded!

Or stoned!

//

Those balking about the poll with those incredibly stupid arguments are obviously stoned to begin with.

226 jetpilot1101  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:32:54pm

Every time science makes a brilliant discovery concerning our origins, every fundamentalist Christian organization comes out of the woodwork to attack the finding. Now I'm not a smart man but I think I have a pretty good understanding of Christianity given that I have been a Christian now going on 10 years. What never ceases to amaze me is that the message of Christianity, a message these groups so ardently claim to defend, has absolutely nothing to do with creation or how we as a species came about. The message of Christ is about redemption and God's unfailing love towards human beings. Jesus didn't come to earth and begin lecturing the Pharisees on creationism, he brought to this world a message of repentance and forgiveness. For these groups to continue to harp on something that has been scientifically proven false is an affront to God and his message to this world. To continue to hold themselves up as the authority on the Word of God is more arrogant than words can describe and to continue to try and refute HIS laws of physics and nature with junk science is insulting to God and to the rest of us Christians who are genuinely trying to live as Christ intended.

227 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:33:19pm

re: #224 DEZes

Its fun aint it.
wanna do a few more?

Sure:

Here's two:

Don't you liberal, atheist lurkers have someplace else to express your views (and vote)?

can any evolutionist show me any person that had a blood transfusion from a MONKEY and lived to tell someone about that procedure?

The last one comes near first place.

228 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:33:48pm

re: #226 jetpilot1101

Every time science makes a brilliant discovery concerning our origins, every fundamentalist Christian organization comes out of the woodwork to attack the finding. Now I'm not a smart man but I think I have a pretty good understanding of Christianity given that I have been a Christian now going on 10 years. What never ceases to amaze me is that the message of Christianity, a message these groups so ardently claim to defend, has absolutely nothing to do with creation or how we as a species came about. The message of Christ is about redemption and God's unfailing love towards human beings. Jesus didn't come to earth and begin lecturing the Pharisees on creationism, he brought to this world a message of repentance and forgiveness. For these groups to continue to harp on something that has been scientifically proven false is an affront to God and his message to this world. To continue to hold themselves up as the authority on the Word of God is more arrogant than words can describe and to continue to try and refute HIS laws of physics and nature with junk science is insulting to God and to the rest of us Christians who are genuinely trying to live as Christ intended.

Have a Kosher ding for that, my friend!

229 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:34:05pm

Computer Virus Strikes FBI, U.S. Marshals Service

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Well that inspires confidence. Well I guess the FBI's computer crimes division will get right on it once they can use their computers again?

230 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:34:45pm

This one - it's impossible to tell if it's parody, or earnest creationism:

I'm so sick of these phony "scientists" preaching their silly "science". The Holy Bible is the only source of truth. Scientific "facts" can only bring us down as a society.

231 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:34:56pm

re: #220 Gus 802

All those who came from Marxist-Darwinist website to vote in this poll will be beheaded!

Or stoned!

//

Speaking of stoned....

Does the 2010 Olympic torch look like a joint?

BC bud dude!

232 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:35:01pm

re: #228 Guanxi88

Have a Kosher ding for that, my friend!

Is that kinda like a Motzah ball?

233 jones  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #226 jetpilot1101

Nicely said. I always wonder if explaining how a rainbow is formed is a Satanic plot; seeing that the Bible says it is created to show G-d's promise. Is turning on my sprinkler the work of the devil?

234 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:35:20pm

re: #226 jetpilot1101

I regret I have but one upding to give you.

Thank you so much for that post!

235 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:35:33pm

re: #227 Gus 802

The last one comes near first place.

This one is classic.
" Those scientists are whackos!"

236 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:35:38pm

re: #232 Nevergiveup

Is that kinda like a Motzah ball?

No, more like a knish.

237 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:36:08pm

re: #231 jcm

Speaking of stoned....

Does the 2010 Olympic torch look like a joint?

BC bud dude!

Looks like a badly rolled doobie.

Not that I would know. //

238 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:36:34pm

Boy, am I tired.

Later.

239 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:36:40pm

re: #235 DEZes

This one is classic.
" Those scientists are whackos!"

Burn the scientists!

Science! Who needs it!

//

240 jetpilot1101  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:37:21pm

re: #231 jcm

Speaking of stoned....

Does the 2010 Olympic torch look like a joint?

BC bud dude!

Wait until you see the Olympic Stadium; it's built in the shape of a giant roach clip.

241 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:37:39pm

I hate to jump into the middle of a thread about a off-topic subject, but since the thread is about fellow lizards I figured I'd post this. Our fellow LGF'er 'Deseeded' is in town for the weekend. He asked me a couple weeks ago if I'd like to meet him for lunch when he got into Chi-town. I agreed and today was our lunch meet. He also invited 'Afrocity' . We all meet at a pretty good asian restaurant a couple hours ago and had a great dim sum lunch. I know a few here have claimed that 'afrocity' isn't a black female and accused her of not being what she claims to be. Well, I just sat at a table with her and yes, she is a black female. Her avatar pic doesn't do her justice. She is quite good looking in person, she is also smart as hell. Deseeded is a good guy too. I don't know why people have to say stuff about others they have never meet in person. I have not yet met 1 person from this site I haven't gotten along with.( and I have meet about 8 lizards in total the last couple years). Anyway, I thought I'd post this and clear up some things I have read about 'Afrocity.'

242 lostlakehiker  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:37:48pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Creation Week is a lot less fun than Pledge Week, or Homecoming Week.

It's the lack of beer, I think.

Time passes differently when you're in a Creative mood. Days are measured by how much larger the Universe became during that Day. So, after 6 Days of work, and exhausting work it must have been, Creation was up and running. (tick, one second.) Now, for the 7th day, the creator takes a well-earned rest from a Job well done, if He doesn't say so Himself.

(tick, 13.5 billion years.)

243 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:38:07pm

re: #226 jetpilot1101

Well said.

Where you been hiding fly boy?

244 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:38:34pm

re: #240 jetpilot1101

Wait until you see the Olympic Stadium; it's built in the shape of a giant roach clip.

Now that's funny!

245 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:38:42pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Burn the scientists!

Science! Who needs it!

//

They hates us'.
GOLLUM, (phlegm) Gollum, gollum

246 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:38:48pm

re: #229 Nevergiveup

Computer Virus Strikes FBI, U.S. Marshals Service

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Well that inspires confidence. Well I guess the FBI's computer crimes division will get right on it once they can use their computers again?

Well..After working on Navy Computer Systems for years in the Nuclear world..
Who ever hacked an FBI Network is not going to like what is going to like what happens in the near future..
They don't fuck around..I've seen 'em work...

247 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:38:55pm

re: #230 Jimmah

This one - it's impossible to tell if it's parody, or earnest creationism:

And he used a computer to type that. So much for his distrust of science.

248 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:39:14pm

I'm still epically non-sequitured from that bat comment.

249 livefreeor die  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:39:17pm

re: #152 CapeCoddah

Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Yes, because the only reason they waterboarded anyone was to be big mean bullies and had nothing to do with the gaping hole in the NYC skyline and the new monuments at the Pentagon and in PA.

250 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:39:23pm

re: #241 chicagodudewhotrades

Check your e-mail.

251 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:39:30pm

re: #233 jones

Nicely said. I always wonder if explaining how a rainbow is formed is a Satanic plot; seeing that the Bible says it is created to show G-d's promise. Is turning on my sprinkler the work of the devil?

They were on to us and our chemtrails, we're experimenting with sprinklers as a dispersal system. Unfortunately.......

Youtube Video
252 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:40:02pm

re: #241 chicagodudewhotrades

OK since I have known for a long time I am a pig and all I'll ask, did you and afrocity...ya know .....do it?
/

253 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:40:32pm

re: #241 chicagodudewhotrades

I hate to jump into the middle of a thread about a off-topic subject, but since the thread is about fellow lizards I figured I'd post this. Our fellow LGF'er 'Deseeded' is in town for the weekend. He asked me a couple weeks ago if I'd like to meet him for lunch when he got into Chi-town. I agreed and today was our lunch meet. He also invited 'Afrocity' . We all meet at a pretty good asian restaurant a couple hours ago and had a great dim sum lunch. I know a few here have claimed that 'afrocity' isn't a black female and accused her of not being what she claims to be. Well, I just sat at a table with her and yes, she is a black female. Her avatar pic doesn't do her justice. She is quite good looking in person, she is also smart as hell. Deseeded is a good guy too. I don't know why people have to say stuff about others they have never meet in person. I have not yet met 1 person from this site I haven't gotten along with.( and I have meet about 8 lizards in total the last couple years). Anyway, I thought I'd post this and clear up some things I have read about 'Afrocity.'

Anyone who questions AfroCity's brains has only to read her blog. She is a very talented writer. Brilliant, in fact.

254 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:40:41pm

re: #246 HoosierHoops

Well..After working on Navy Computer Systems for years in the Nuclear world..
Who ever hacked an FBI Network is not going to like what is going to like what happens in the near future..
They don't fuck around..I've seen 'em work...

I hope your not responsible for NKO?

255 livefreeor die  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:40:50pm

re: #199 Nevergiveup

I got to be careful here. Wife and kids and mother in law are away till Sunday. I just bought myself an aged T-Bone and Mash potatoes and grilled that baby up. Along with some scotch and beer. I'm feeling pretty good, so if I say anything outlandish, well I really mean it?

Have you sunk your dad's Porsche in Lake Michigan yet?

256 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:01pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

OK since I have known for a long time I am a pig and all I'll ask, did you and afrocity...ya know .....do it?
/

Oh lord, a drunkin' dentist.

257 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:09pm

re: #233 jones

Is turning on my sprinkler the work of the devil?

Only if the last digit of your street address is an odd number and it's Monday. (a little Phase II water conservation joke.)

258 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:30pm

re: #241 chicagodudewhotrades

I'm friendly with Afrocity off-blog, and I really appreciate your coming to her defense.

259 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:34pm

re: #230 Jimmah

This one - it's impossible to tell if it's parody, or earnest creationism:

The Bible is the only source of truth?
I shall toss out my calculators, computers and books and look to the bible to balance my check book.

///////

260 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:49pm

re: #253 CapeCoddah

Anyone who questions AfroCity's brains has only to read her blog. She is a very talented writer. Brilliant, in fact.

She wrote a terrific letter to her mother on Mother's Day.

261 jones  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:41:56pm

re: #251 jcm

That's who I was thinking of.

Some Muse I've got. :)

262 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:42:03pm

re: #251 jcm

They were on to us and our chemtrails, we're experimenting with sprinklers as a dispersal system. Unfortunately.......

[Video]

I hate to ask but is she serious?

263 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:42:27pm

re: #262 Gus 802

She's probably a Ronulan.

264 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:43:02pm

re: #256 debutaunt

Oh lord, a drunkin' dentist.

And I have a 6:00 AM patient tomorrow!

265 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:43:08pm

re: #263 Macker

She's probably a Ronulan.

And we are merely sheeple!

//

266 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:43:12pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

OK since I have known for a long time I am a pig and all I'll ask, did you and afrocity...ya know .....do it?
/

I'm telling Mandy on you...

267 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:43:31pm

re: #255 livefreeor die

Have you sunk your dad's Porsche in Lake Michigan yet?

Ferris Bueller always gets an upding.

268 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:43:39pm

re: #259 DEZes

The Bible is the only source of truth?
I shall toss out my calculators, computers and books and look to the bible to balance my check book.

///////


Looking up the scripture in the bible that says you owe me a million dollars....

269 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:43:49pm

Ah, yes. The classic, well-reasoned rebuttal done in the spirit of scientific inquiry: "LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa! I can't hear you!" with hands clapped firmly over ears and eyes screwed shut.

270 jetpilot1101  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:44:11pm

re: #243 jcm

Well said.

Where you been hiding fly boy?

Well I moving to Alabama this summer and I've been purchasing a house. Generally, this isn't a tough process but doing so from 1500 miles away is a bit tough. Work has been a bear, I'm trying to finish up about 6 OER's (FITREPS for you navy folks) and on top of that I'm upgrading a few pilots to AC, not to mention grad school. Just been busy but I'm happy to be back with all of you.

271 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:44:15pm

re: #254 Nevergiveup

I hope your not responsible for NKO?

I'm in the private sector now...I'm a Sys Admin..
But I love everytime Charles puts up a tech thread..It's like chum to sharks..
I love tech threads...

272 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:44:15pm

re: #256 debutaunt

Oh lord, a drunkin' dentist.

Is it safe?

273 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:44:43pm

re: #266 CapeCoddah

I'm telling Mandy on you...

Well I've had a few so I have an excuse. Anyway inquiring minds want to know.

274 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:10pm

re: #260 debutaunt

She wrote a terrific letter to her mother on Mother's Day.

Saw that. I love her stuff. She should be published.

275 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:37pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Well I've had a few so I have an excuse. Anyway inquiring minds want to know.

ngu ... trust me ... step away from the keyboard ...

276 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:39pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Well I've had a few so I have an excuse. Anyway inquiring minds want to know.

You ever get the urge to put fang implants on certain patients?

Don't answer that question.

//

277 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #256 debutaunt

Oh lord, a drunkin' dentist.

Its Arther. ;)re: #268 screaming_eagle

Looking up the scripture in the bible that says you owe me a million dollars....


The checks in the mail.

278 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #258 doppelganglander

I'm friendly with Afrocity off-blog, and I really appreciate your coming to her defense.

Afro is good people..She may be taking a killer job down our way..
Good Luck Afro!

279 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:46:00pm

I had my doubts about Afrocity, but fair do's, if people have confirmed that she is what she says she is, then I accept that. Her blog isn't to my taste though.

280 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:46:03pm

re: #262 Gus 802

I hate to ask but is she serious?

The chemtrail people are serious.... it's either good acting or she serious.

281 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:46:43pm

re: #277 DEZes

The checks in the mail.

I dont remember clicking on Debutant.
PIMF.

282 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:46:59pm

re: #259 DEZes

The Bible is the only source of truth?
I shall toss out my calculators, computers and books and look to the bible to balance my check book.

///////

Yes, and amend the 'pi' ratio on the wheels of any vehicles you own as well :-)

283 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:47:17pm

re: #269 SixDegrees

Ah, yes. The classic, well-reasoned rebuttal done in the spirit of scientific inquiry: "LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa! I can't hear you!" with hands clapped firmly over ears and eyes screwed shut.

At least this is a more "nuanced" response than Rush's. He dismissed the whole this with one word... bullshit. I'm glad to see the conservatives have such deep thinkers.
/

284 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:47:24pm

re: #276 Gus 802

You ever get the urge to put fang implants on certain patients?

Don't answer that question.

//

Never. I treat all my patients with the up most respect, But if truth be told, I may charge overt liberals alittle more.

285 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:47:28pm

re: #280 jcm

The chemtrail people are serious.... it's either good acting or she serious.

She sounds serious. I remember seeing rainbows from the sprinklers when I was a kid.

//Chemsprinklers!

286 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:47:56pm

re: #273 Nevergiveup

Well I've had a few so I have an excuse. Anyway inquiring minds want to know.

LOL, You are gonna need a large dose of Novocaine when Mandy gets hold of you!

287 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:47:57pm
Who Cares About a Dead Lemur?

Well, Pumbaa and Simba would care. Hakuna Matata!

288 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:48:01pm

re: #281 DEZes

I dont remember clicking on Debutant.
PIMF.

It kinda tickled.

289 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:48:03pm

re: #281 DEZes

I dont remember clicking on Debutant.
PIMF.

It's an omen, you must owe him money too.

290 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:48:51pm

re: #289 screaming_eagle

It's an omen, you must owe him money too.

Checks in the mail.

291 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:49:12pm

re: #288 debutaunt

It kinda tickled.

Did ya giggle?

292 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:49:26pm

re: #289 screaming_eagle

It's an omen, you must owe him money too.

Hey screamy, I'm a lady.

293 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:49:51pm

re: #291 DEZes

Did ya giggle?

Look, that kinda thing just saps a fellow's confidence. Don't giggle.

294 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:50:22pm

re: #291 DEZes

Did ya giggle?

Like a little four-year-old girl.

295 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:50:22pm

re: #292 debutaunt

Hey screamy, I'm a lady.


debutaunt sounded like a strange name for a male. ;)

296 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:50:30pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

At least this is a more "nuanced" response than Rush's. He dismissed the whole this with one word... bullshit. I'm glad to see the conservatives have such deep thinkers.
/

Rush is one guy...another one, that is

297 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:50:43pm

re: #125 Charles

"Targeted." I love it. They put a poll on the Internet, then complain that other sites link to it, because they're ... evil pro-evolution targeters!

I'm sure they're correct that the results don't reflect the opinions of their normal readership.

And I'm using the root "read" in a pretty broad sense here.

298 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:50:55pm

re: #292 debutaunt

Sorry, no intentional offense offered.

299 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:51:25pm

re: #298 screaming_eagle

Sorry, no intentional offense offered.

I know - hey, are you a pilot?

300 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:51:40pm

Some more crazy comments from Ken Ham's page:

I believe Mr. Ken Hamm. We don't need evolutionist teaching our children anything .

Someone is "spiking" this poll. 80% said the DID believe they were monkey bi-product. They might be...

It appears that evolution science does not need any rational kind of thinking to come up with this tripe. Any port in the storm and they grab it with both hands. This is another of those rocky ports that will sink their ship if they get to close but it is fun isn't it? I found a bat skeleton in the fire place the other day, I wonder what they can come up for that? Should be interesting don't you think?

301 marsl  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:51:44pm

The missing link... Ron Paul?

302 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:51:57pm

Speaking of bats, bibles and science, doesn't the Bible have the bat down as a kind of bird? I wonder if there are creationists out there who are seeking to have the scientific taxonomy amended accordingly? Might be fun to research that.

303 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:52:05pm

re: #298 screaming_eagle

Sorry, no intentional offense offered.

Eagle ..Can we talk? LOL
That was a funny slip...

304 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:52:10pm

re: #231 jcm

Speaking of stoned....

Does the 2010 Olympic torch look like a joint?

BC bud dude!

If it is, it's what we called a "pinner".

305 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:52:14pm

re: #221 HoosierHoops

Sorry about the delayed response. Have those pesky duties I need to take care of. Yeah, I am on a new shift now. Afternoons instead of the dreaded night shift. A lot quieter which is good, and I am getting a lot of exercise. More patrolling and I can actually walk to work and home.

306 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:52:17pm

re: #299 debutaunt

I know - hey, are you a pilot?

I wish.

307 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:52:22pm

A mile stone was reached.
5000 karma.
Thanks lizards.

308 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:53:16pm

re: #304 IslandLibertarian

If it is, it's what we called a "pinner".

I hated those - they burned too damned fast, and you just knew the guy who rolled it really had more than that, and was just hording it for later.

309 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:53:23pm

re: #306 screaming_eagle

I wish.

I was hoping you didn't torture raptors.

310 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:53:26pm

re: #270 jetpilot1101

Well I moving to Alabama this summer and I've been purchasing a house. Generally, this isn't a tough process but doing so from 1500 miles away is a bit tough. Work has been a bear, I'm trying to finish up about 6 OER's (FITREPS for you navy folks) and on top of that I'm upgrading a few pilots to AC, not to mention grad school. Just been busy but I'm happy to be back with all of you.

Good to see ya' back online!

311 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:53:58pm

re: #307 DEZes

A mile stone was reached.
5000 karma.
Thanks lizards.

That's a hell of a karma ratio. You must never piss anyone off or drink?

312 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:02pm

re: #300 Gus 802

Some more crazy comments from Ken Ham's page:

see post 205. ;)

313 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:34pm

"Its just an animal"

Whether I believed in god or not. Whether I believed in evolution or not. I cannot imagine believing humans aren't animals.

I am an animal. You are an animal. Look in the mirror and say it with me, "I am an animal". I am not a plant. I am not a non animal.

"Its just an animal" You got that right. In ways that are much grander than your intention.

314 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:35pm

re: #307 DEZes

A mile stone was reached.
5000 karma.
Thanks lizards.

Yippee!

315 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:39pm

re: #308 Guanxi88

notorious for "sideburns"

316 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:48pm

re: #279 Jimmah

I had my doubts about Afrocity, but fair do's, if people have confirmed that she is what she says she is, then I accept that. Her blog isn't to my taste though.

What happened to AfroCity? Is she gone too?

317 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:54:52pm

re: #307 DEZes

A mile stone was reached.
5000 karma.
Thanks lizards.

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

318 Bloodnok  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:55:07pm

re: #311 Nevergiveup

That's a hell of a karma ratio. You must never piss anyone off or drink?

Summer, 2007 was a good season for hatchlings.

319 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:55:10pm

re: #305 BlueCanuck

Sorry about the delayed response. Have those pesky duties I need to take care of. Yeah, I am on a new shift now. Afternoons instead of the dreaded night shift. A lot quieter which is good, and I am getting a lot of exercise. More patrolling and I can actually walk to work and home.

That's awesome! But who am I going to talk to at 4am when I can't sleep?
Can I have your Boss's cell number?
/

320 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:55:13pm

re: #311 Nevergiveup

That's a hell of a karma ratio. You must never piss anyone off or drink?

I drink all the time, drinking a beer now, but I do piss people off now and again, I just am wise enough to know when to pick a fight.

Thanks.

321 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:55:25pm

re: #309 debutaunt

I was hoping you didn't torture raptors.

As opposed to rap with torturers?///

322 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:55:34pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

We love you, Walter!

323 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:55:37pm

re: #307 DEZes

A mile stone was reached.
5000 karma.
Thanks lizards.

well done......
:)

324 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:12pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

If you want I'll help take it down.....
/

325 jhrhv  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:15pm

"Do you believe you evolved from an ape like creature?"

If you had ever seen my father then the hair popping out the back of my T-shirt you would know the answer to that question is affirmative. Darwin need not apply.

326 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:16pm

re: #322 CapeCoddah

We love you, Walter!

Don't speak to quickly :)

327 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:19pm

re: #315 IslandLibertarian

notorious for "sideburns"

I was the Human Rizla

328 Salamantis  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:20pm

re: #183 Jimmah

"Please ignore our lying ass poll which as you can see came up with the wrong result, instead of the proper creationist-biased result."

I am torn between

All your poll are belong to us

and Forrest Gump

I'm sorry we ruined your missing link poll party

329 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:25pm

re: #312 DEZes

see post 205. ;)

Ah. Thought that might happen. ;)

330 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:26pm

re: #315 IslandLibertarian

notorious for "sideburns"

Yep, and so you end up with little charred spots everywhere, no real return on your effort. Might as well just soak the damned thing in wax and use it to light a pipe, for all the good it did.

-- Or so I heard from a guy who saw a movie.

///

331 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:28pm

re: #321 calcajun

As opposed to rap with torturers?///

Not sure why his eagles were screaming.

332 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:30pm

re: #83 Charles

What happens when you get a braincloud


Youtube Video
333 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:33pm

re: #324 LGoPs

If you want I'll help take it down.....
/

I get back to you on that... not :)

334 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:48pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Don't forget to tip Maisey.

335 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:56:49pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

Nah, your an acquired taste. Like a fine wine.

336 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:00pm

re: #328 Salamantis

I am torn between

All your poll are belong to us

and Forrest Gump

I'm sorry we ruined your missing link poll party

I vote for the first one.

337 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:04pm

Testing Memorial weekend avatar.

338 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:05pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

Two words: Walter groupies.

339 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:18pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

yes I agree...

340 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:34pm

Kewl. It worketh.

341 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:42pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

You get more updings than you know then. ;)
You earn em.

342 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:57:48pm

re: #319 HoosierHoops

That's awesome! But who am I going to talk to at 4am when I can't sleep?
Can I have your Boss's cell number?
/

*snicker* If I could get away with it I would so do it. Especially the one that bladed me. :)

343 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:09pm

re: #331 debutaunt

Not sure why his eagles were screaming.

101st Airborne

344 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:10pm

re: #334 jaunte

Don't forget to tip Maisey.

Is that like cow tipping?

345 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:11pm

re: #316 LGoPs

What happened to AfroCity? Is she gone too?

No - she's still here. There was a controversy about here but it seems to have been settled.

346 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:15pm

re: #327 albusteve

I was the Human Rizla

that term is lost on me......translate please?

347 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:24pm

re: #338 calcajun

Two words: Walter groupies.

Walter attracts the ladies.

348 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:28pm

I don't want karma points. I am an animal. I can live with no karma points at all. Whoever has given me karma points, please see the man behind the curtain to have them removed.

/speaking to you from planet earth where there are these things called humans THAT ARE ANIMALS.

349 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:29pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

At least this is a more "nuanced" response than Rush's. He dismissed the whole this with one word... bullshit. I'm glad to see the conservatives have such deep thinkers.
/

So, what's your take on Lost? Not much in the way of answers or explanations, although some things got placed into a context. A brand new context that raises far more questions that what were already outstanding. Bastard writers. Now I have 8 months of withdrawal to suffer through to see how they're going to pull all this together.

Nice to get Rose, Bernard and Vincent's whereabouts resolved, even if it was a little patchy. I loved the whole, "No, we're not interested in you never-ending turmoil; we're retired" brush-off.

I suspect that, whatever the final resolution is, it won't fit comfortably with any of the theories being bandied about so far. It seems to me that the writer's are writing their own story, not re-telling someone elses, as some have suggested.

350 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:43pm

re: #338 calcajun

Two words: Walter groupies.

CC ... do not talk about Avanti when he is not here ...

/but he shows up in a NY second if you say his name ... (waving at Avanti) ...

351 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:50pm

re: #329 Gus 802

Ah. Thought that might happen. ;)

oh I just snarked on it. ;)

352 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:51pm

re: #344 CapeCoddah

Tougher, with the low parrot center of gravity.

353 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:58:56pm

re: #347 debutaunt

Walter attracts the ladies.

It's the hat and the parrot. Drives the ladies wild.

354 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:59:04pm

re: #339 albusteve

yes I agree...

I love you too :)

We had a rental last night, a DRUM CONCERT. Two hours of drum students from the local music store.

Need I say more... speak up, I can't hear you.

355 debutaunt  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:59:31pm

re: #343 screaming_eagle

101st Airborne

My husband was with them.

356 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:59:39pm

re: #345 Jimmah

No - she's still here. There was a controversy about here but it seems to have been settled.

Gotcha. Thanks.

357 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 4:59:50pm

re: #302 Jimmah

Speaking of bats, bibles and science, doesn't the Bible have the bat down as a kind of bird? I wonder if there are creationists out there who are seeking to have the scientific taxonomy amended accordingly? Might be fun to research that.

Yep,

Leviticus 11
13 " 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Some translations use fowl, let's remember this was before modern classifications, the difference be mammal and aves wouldn't have been that apparent when it came to flying mammals.

358 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:00:07pm

re: #354 Walter L. Newton

I love you too :)

We had a rental last night, a DRUM CONCERT. Two hours of drum students from the local music store.

Need I say more... speak up, I can't hear you.

What?

359 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:00:09pm

Cat vs. Fan

360 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:00:10pm

re: #350 JacksonTn

he shows up in a NY second if you say his name ...

But only if you say it three times fast. No, wait--that's Beetlejuice!

361 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:00:39pm

I'm off to watch this while scoffing a huge pile of tacos:

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

BBL

362 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:00:48pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Good going. I just checked my karma, over 9500. What in hell did I do to deserve that? Must be a mistake.

I'm pretty sure that 9,500 karma and 5 bucks gets you a Starbucks frap.

363 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:00:54pm

re: #346 IslandLibertarian

that term is lost on me......translate please?

it's a little rolling machine

364 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:01:00pm

re: #357 jcm

Yep,

Leviticus 11
13 " 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Some translations use fowl, let's remember this was before modern classifications, the difference be mammal and aves wouldn't have been that apparent when it came to flying mammals.

Yep - if it flew but wasn't a creeping or swarming thing, it was a bird.

365 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #343 screaming_eagle

101st Airborne

My brother was airborne.
salute.

366 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:01:33pm

CHICAGO -- Jake Peavy is staying with the San Diego Padres.

The ace pitcher turned down a trade to the Chicago White Sox, choosing Thursday to remain with his longtime team.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

San Diego wants to get rid of him and he just will not go?

367 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:01:41pm

re: #316 LGoPs

What happened to AfroCity? Is she gone too?

* * * *
As far as I know, she was inspired & courageous enough to start her own blog. That's the ultimate taking of responsibility, to be your own ring leader, as Charles is here.

Afrocity always spoke admiringly of Sarah Palin, and of fighting stereotypes about being black.

God bless her for striking out on her own wings and ideas. She has posted here ocassionally since starting her own blog.

368 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:01:42pm

re: #354 Walter L. Newton

Two hours of drum students from the local music store.

From their timpani to your timpanic membranes. A percussion concussion?

369 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:01:49pm

re: #355 debutaunt

My husband was with them.

502 INF Sept 88-Sept 91

370 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:09pm

re: #353 Guanxi88

It's the hat and the parrot. Drives the ladies wild.

is that a parrot in your pocket?

371 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:13pm

re: #348 justdanny

You karma animal you!

372 gander  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:16pm

re: #304 IslandLibertarian

It looks like a flaming plastic kayak to me. Maybe a result of the previous suggestion.

373 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:34pm

re: #366 Nevergiveup

[sigh] We know. We know.

374 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:38pm

re: #348 justdanny

I don't want karma points. I am an animal. I can live with no karma points at all. Whoever has given me karma points, please see the man behind the curtain to have them removed.

/speaking to you from planet earth where there are these things called humans THAT ARE ANIMALS.

Try not to lose too much sleep over it.

375 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:43pm

re: #361 Jimmah

I'm off to watch this while scoffing a huge pile of tacos:

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

BBL

YOU CALL YOURSELVES TACOS? I'VE SEEN BETTER TACOS UNDER THE WARMING LIGHTS AT TACO BELL!

376 itellu3times  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:43pm

Never see any angel skeletons, why is that? Just these lemurs and stuff. Obviously, that means, um, ... well, it's obvious!
/

377 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:02:58pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Don't speak to quickly :)

It's too, not to. Where are the language police when you need them? Cato the Elder - where are you?........your services are needed..........
/ sheesh :)

378 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:03:03pm

re: #354 Walter L. Newton

I love you too :)

We had a rental last night, a DRUM CONCERT. Two hours of drum students from the local music store.

Need I say more... speak up, I can't hear you.

good...they need that sort of venue and audience

379 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:03:03pm

re: #361 Jimmah

I'm off to watch this while scoffing a huge pile of tacos:

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

BBL

You scoff at tacos? Pass them over I'll eat 'em!

/;-P

380 marsl  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:03:15pm

On of the good things in living in Europe is the complete non-existence of creationists.
Until I learn about their crazy ideas, methods and attempts to hijack the education system (a big thanks to LGF for showing it), I didn't had any knowledge of them (apart from the idea that they exists). I though that they simply were just a simple case of nut-jobs, which exists in all countries.

But reading all things, I realize that things are pretty more serious than I thought.

It's one more battle that you guys, need to win. Because, what happens to America.... reflects in the entire world. Because, liked or not, the US still are the most admired, copied and followed nation of the world. Ah, and loved too, by the way.

At least, I'm glad this things don't exists in Portugal. We don't need it.

381 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:03:37pm

re: #375 CyanSnowHawk

YOU CALL YOURSELVES TACOS? I'VE SEEN BETTER TACOS UNDER THE WARMING LIGHTS AT TACO BELL!

The nerve of those tacos!

//

382 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:03:44pm

Man, I love cats.

383 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:03:55pm

re: #364 Guanxi88

Yep - if it flew but wasn't a creeping or swarming thing, it was a bird.

G ... here is where I don't understand the unclean animal eating thing ... Catfish are the nastiest scavengers out there ... but who puts them on the DO NOT EAT LIST ... nobody ...

/I also never got the don't eat meat on Friday but not wanting to swirl around in purgatory ... I do not eat it ... while I lived under my parents roof ... I also do not eat catfish which is a sin if you live in the south ...

384 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:04:09pm

re: #367 alegrias

* * * *
As far as I know, she was inspired & courageous enough to start her own blog. That's the ultimate taking of responsibility, to be your own ring leader, as Charles is here.

Afrocity always spoke admiringly of Sarah Palin, and of fighting stereotypes about being black.

God bless her for striking out on her own wings and ideas. She has posted here ocassionally since starting her own blog.

I agree. I like her myself and am glad that she's still around....although less frequently apparently.

385 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:04:15pm

re: #377 LGoPs

It's too, not to. Where are the language police when you need them? Cato the Elder - where are you?........your services are needed..........
/ sheesh :)

heh...

386 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:04:45pm

re: #380 marsl

You should be aware of the growing numbers of fundamentalist Christians in Europe, and creationism IS growing there.

387 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:04:50pm

Hey Walter, you like "Lost"... I did a job 2 summers ago for Emilie de Raven when she came to the Cape to do a photoshoot for J C Penny. Spent 3 days ferrying her and her now ex husband around. I got her autograph, (not sure why I asked) but you are welcome to it if you wish. E-Mail me if you want it. It has been sitting on my desk for 2 years in a pile of papers.

388 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:11pm

re: #359 Sharmuta

Cat vs. Fan

LOL.

389 alegrias  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:15pm

re: #380 marsl

On of the good things in living in Europe is the complete non-existence of creationists.
Until I learn about their crazy ideas, methods and attempts to hijack the education system (a big thanks to LGF for showing it), I didn't had any knowledge of them (apart from the idea that they exists). I though that they simply were just a simple case of nut-jobs, which exists in all countries.

But reading all things, I realize that things are pretty more serious than I thought.

It's one more battle that you guys, need to win. Because, what happens to America.... reflects in the entire world. Because, liked or not, the US still are the most admired, copied and followed nation of the world. Ah, and loved too, by the way.

At least, I'm glad this things don't exists in Portugal. We don't need it.

* * * * *
Check out the science instruction at your local portuguese madrassah. Your neighbor Spain is full of such fine institutions of higher learning where Darwin isn't liked at all.

390 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:21pm

people....tacos...please

391 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:23pm

re: #363 albusteve

it's a little rolling machine

we didn't need no steenkin' rolling machine.
We had "Mole Man"............perfect bombers every time...........in the movie I saw........

392 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:42pm

re: #365 DEZes

My brother was airborne.
salute.

me too......although now I'm just plain old chairborne
:)

393 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:50pm

What with all the science, all the evidence, and, in short, just about everything possible stacked against them, how long before the Creationists, YE folk, et al, start asking

"Why does reality hate us? Why can't the Creator conform to our own narrow and benighted expectations?"

394 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:05:58pm

re: #374 Spare O'Lake

Try not to lose too much sleep over it.

I barely sleep as it is. If I lose any that will really suck!

I am not a taco.

395 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:06:09pm

re: #388 SixDegrees

Wasn't it cute? Get that air, kitty!

396 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:06:24pm

How Many European Capitals Are Now In Range Of Iran's New Missile?

[Link: closingvelocity.typepad.com...]

And coming to a town near you!

397 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:07:47pm

re: #369 screaming_eagle

502 INF Sept 88-Sept 91

Your a lady?
I have to be more careful with my swearing.

398 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:07:51pm

I finally got around to reading the text of the Cheney speech. It was like a drink of cold water to finally hear plain speaking and truth.

399 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:08:10pm

re: #391 IslandLibertarian

we didn't need no steenkin' rolling machine.
We had "Mole Man"............perfect bombers every time...........in the movie I saw........

we didn't either...we had me...I can't tell you how many hundreds of time people tossed me a bag of weed to roll...I'm still world class btw

400 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:08:19pm

re: #395 Sharmuta

Wasn't it cute? Get that air, kitty!

Gotta show that one to the wife. She'll love it.

401 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:08:31pm

re: #387 CapeCoddah

Hey Walter, you like "Lost"... I did a job 2 summers ago for Emilie de Raven when she came to the Cape to do a photoshoot for J C Penny. Spent 3 days ferrying her and her now ex husband around. I got her autograph, (not sure why I asked) but you are welcome to it if you wish. E-Mail me if you want it. It has been sitting on my desk for 2 years in a pile of papers.

If she's half as pretty in person as she is on television, she must be stunning. Was she nice?

402 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:08:51pm

re: #392 LGoPs

me too......although now I'm just plain old chairborne
:)

Brother is a Nam vet.
I try not to piss him off. ;)

403 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:09:04pm

re: #399 albusteve

we didn't either...we had me...I can't tell you how many hundreds of time people tossed me a bag of weed to roll...I'm still world class btw

albusteve .. you were the guy? ... there was one in every crowd ... perfect joints every single time ... of course, he got free weed ...

404 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:09:15pm

re: #349 SixDegrees

So, what's your take on Lost? Not much in the way of answers or explanations, although some things got placed into a context. A brand new context that raises far more questions that what were already outstanding. Bastard writers. Now I have 8 months of withdrawal to suffer through to see how they're going to pull all this together.

Nice to get Rose, Bernard and Vincent's whereabouts resolved, even if it was a little patchy. I loved the whole, "No, we're not interested in you never-ending turmoil; we're retired" brush-off.

I suspect that, whatever the final resolution is, it won't fit comfortably with any of the theories being bandied about so far. It seems to me that the writer's are writing their own story, not re-telling someone elses, as some have suggested.

WHAT :)

There was many things explained, maybe more than you realize. They have been saying "dead is dead" for years now. Well, the anti-Jacob explains all that. Not only has he appeared as Locke, that explains seeing Charlie, Christian, Claire, Yemi, that Dharma chick and Kate's horse. That also explains why the "Others" are so concerned with making sure someone who dies is BURIED, or else anti-Jacob can appear as a simulacrum of that person/thing.

The statue is of Taweret, we know who has been doing all the manipulation all this time, Jacob and anti-Jacob. Young Locke never recognized the compass when he was a little boy, because Locke never gave Richard the compass, it was anti-Locke. Illana and Braum are off-island "Others." They did change the future, in that they enabled everything to happen. If they had not tried what they did, nothing would have been the same. For a matter of fact, the best way Jack could have stopped everything from happening was to do nothing.

Locke has been his own self-fulfilling prophecy, no one ever said he should be the leader, he said it himself. Jacob brought the Black Rock to the Island. This "chess game" has been going on for ages. Dharma was given an example of what they needed to do to prevent a major problem in the future, they built a "failsafe" into the Swan Station in the future. A nuclear failsafe, which Desmond used.

I could go on and on.

They answers a lot of questions. And, the most important is John Locke is dead, and we won't be seeing him as anything but the anti-Locke. He was a pasty, all along, never meant to be great.

405 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:09:25pm

re: #391 IslandLibertarian

we didn't need no steenkin' rolling machine.
We had "Mole Man"............perfect bombers every time...........in the movie I saw........

Knew a fellow who used to gently twist the tobacco out of Dunhill Reds and refill with a 50/50 mix of hash-soaked weed and Dunhill tobacco. I always thought it was stupid and wasteful, of both tobacco and herb, but tastes differ. (and yes, he did save the filter when he was done, to soak out the goodness therein using a little acetone and alcohol).

406 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:09:36pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

In one sense, that is a very good thing--Europe has been spiritually dead --or at least very sleepy--for decades. Glad to hear the church is making a comeback. But, I suppose I should be careful what I wish for.

This also brings up an interesting situation. Given the friction which already exists in Europe between the native and immigrant populations, could Europe's move from its secular populace to one that more and more might identify itself as "Christian" cause more unrest or less?

407 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:09:40pm

Them song for Ken Ham and Co.

"I'm No Kin to a Monkey"

Youtube Video
408 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:09:45pm

re: #394 justdanny

I barely sleep as it is. If I lose any that will really suck!

I am not a taco.

Repeat after me: Ich bin ein karma...

409 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:10:19pm

re: #387 CapeCoddah

Hey Walter, you like "Lost"... I did a job 2 summers ago for Emilie de Raven when she came to the Cape to do a photoshoot for J C Penny. Spent 3 days ferrying her and her now ex husband around. I got her autograph, (not sure why I asked) but you are welcome to it if you wish. E-Mail me if you want it. It has been sitting on my desk for 2 years in a pile of papers.

Wow! Too Cool!
It's funny when you met famous people..You just don't know what to expect..
I met Jesse Owens as a child and he was just bigger than life..My jaw was glued to the floor for weeks..
I met Barbara Eden at a Charity Event..That Women is so tiny..And I mean shockingly little in person..So small..I think Bart Starr as a kid was the nicest person I ever met...He sat and just talked to me..His smile lite up the room..Really cool guy...

410 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:10:36pm

re: #403 JacksonTn

albusteve .. you were the guy? ... there was one in every crowd ... perfect joints every single time ... of course, he got free weed ...

some people just cannot do it...I'm gifted that way

411 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:10:36pm

re: #405 Guanxi88

Knew a fellow who used to gently twist the tobacco out of Dunhill Reds and refill with a 50/50 mix of hash-soaked weed and Dunhill tobacco. I always thought it was stupid and wasteful, of both tobacco and herb, but tastes differ. (and yes, he did save the filter when he was done, to soak out the goodness therein using a little acetone and alcohol).

SCIENCE!

412 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:11:07pm

re: #401 doppelganglander

If she's half as pretty in person as she is on television, she must be stunning. Was she nice?

She is a beautiful, high maintenance spoiled brat.

413 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:11:40pm

re: #405 Guanxi88

Knew a fellow who used to gently twist the tobacco out of Dunhill Reds and refill with a 50/50 mix of hash-soaked weed and Dunhill tobacco. I always thought it was stupid and wasteful, of both tobacco and herb, but tastes differ. (and yes, he did save the filter when he was done, to soak out the goodness therein using a little acetone and alcohol).

In Thailand we used to call Dunhill cigs "Dunghill". I suspect that putting something else in there probably made them better. Never tried hash so couldn't tell you for sure.

414 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:11:55pm

Lawyer: NY temple plot suspect 'intellectually challenged'
Published: 05.22.09, 00:52 / Israel News
A defense lawyer says one of four men accused of trying to bomb two New York City synagogues and shoot down military planes upstate is "intellectually challenged" and has trouble understanding complex concepts.

Attorney Marilyn Reader told a court Thursday that Laguerre Payen has "a very low borderline" IQ and is on medication for schizophrenia. (AP)

Hum? I'm at a lose for words. No I'm not. Too freak en bad.

415 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:12:28pm

re: #411 IslandLibertarian

SCIENCE!

hahaha....

416 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:12:32pm

re: #408 Spare O'Lake

Repeat after me: Ich bin ein karma...

I'll do you better than that:

Ich bin von Kopf bis Fuss: Sung by Marlene Herself:

Youtube Video
417 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:12:49pm

re: #387 CapeCoddah

Hey Walter, you like "Lost"... I did a job 2 summers ago for Emilie de Raven when she came to the Cape to do a photoshoot for J C Penny. Spent 3 days ferrying her and her now ex husband around. I got her autograph, (not sure why I asked) but you are welcome to it if you wish. E-Mail me if you want it. It has been sitting on my desk for 2 years in a pile of papers.

Thanks a lot, incoming your way, kewl.

418 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:13:11pm

All Nam Vets as well as those currently serving in all branches of the US military, are animals. The entire command structure, animals. Your neighbors and coworkers, animals. The guy driving to close to your bumper and the old lady at the drive though, both animals. And the lady at the drive through is the keymaster to the taco vault. And animals built the vault.

419 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:13:24pm

re: #413 rightymouse

In Thailand we used to call Dunhill cigs "Dunghill". I suspect that putting something else in there probably made them better. Never tried hash so couldn't tell you for sure.

rm ... I have many of my friends who were in Vietnam who talked about Thai Sticks ... but I did not want to seem uncool at the time ... so did not ask what they were ... do you know? ...

420 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:13:32pm

Little Feat

[Link: www.imeem.com...]

421 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:13:58pm

re: #409 HoosierHoops

I meet many, many "famous" folks. Honestly, I like my unknown clients better.
Emilie's husband was a very nice kid. They had JUST gotten married, I believe his name was Josh. I gave the marriage a year..., it took 6 months for the divorce.

422 Racer X  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:14:04pm

re: #382 justdanny

Man, I love cats.

How do you prepare them?

423 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:14:05pm

re: #397 DEZes

Your a lady?
I have to be more careful with my swearing.

Your drinking to much.

424 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:14:37pm

re: #423 screaming_eagle

Your drinking to much.

that's impossible...wtf?

425 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:14:44pm

re: #423 screaming_eagle

Your drinking to much.

Better not let the grammar police see that.

//

426 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:14:59pm

re: #422 Racer X

How do you prepare them?

My three Siamese just made some growling sounds?

427 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:15:05pm

re: #417 Walter L. Newton

Thanks a lot, incoming your way, kewl.

You got it, brother!

428 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:15:11pm

re: #398 EmmmieG

I finally got around to reading the text of the Cheney speech. It was like a drink of cold water to finally hear plain speaking and truth.

Republicans should pay heed.......

429 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:15:16pm

re: #412 CapeCoddah

She is a beautiful, high maintenance spoiled brat.


I shouldn't be surprised. It's so rare to meet a really beautiful young woman who's actually a nice person. My daughter (who is cute but not a supermodel) has a couple of friends, sisters, who are both gorgeous and incredibly sweet. I complimented their mother on doing such a great job.

430 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:15:18pm

re: #425 Gus 802

Better not let the grammar police see that.

//

it's non of yore business

431 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:13pm

re: #430 albusteve

it's non of yore business

Sez hoo!?

//My specialty is dropping letters.

432 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:19pm

re: #423 screaming_eagle

Your drinking to much.

Too much.......
Sheesh.........That a warning this time.

:)

433 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:22pm

re: #420 albusteve

Little Feat

[Link: www.imeem.com...]

albusteve ... I have been using imeem.com more and more ... I am getting tired of youtube restrictions ... I never really cared about videos anyway ... btw ... I have Bluest Blue on my imeem playlist and in two weeks it got over 1200 plays ... thanks for turning me onto that song ... never heard it before you posted it ...

434 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:29pm

re: #419 JacksonTn

rm ... I have many of my friends who were in Vietnam who talked about Thai Sticks ... but I did not want to seem uncool at the time ... so did not ask what they were ... do you know? ...

Wiki knows all:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

435 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:31pm

re: #414 Nevergiveup

Lawyer: NY temple plot suspect 'intellectually challenged'
Published: 05.22.09, 00:52 / Israel News
A defense lawyer says one of four men accused of trying to bomb two New York City synagogues and shoot down military planes upstate is "intellectually challenged" and has trouble understanding complex concepts.

Attorney Marilyn Reader told a court Thursday that Laguerre Payen has "a very low borderline" IQ and is on medication for schizophrenia. (AP)

Hum? I'm at a lose for words. No I'm not. Too freak en bad.

Not being able to solve a Rubics cube is hardly a defense for plotting a bombing.
another lawyer to hate.

436 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:16:49pm

Boy do I like that 'Value Voters Summit' shit.

Get's me all hyper like, slobber running down my chin....

Rabid. ;)

437 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #432 LGoPs

Too much.......
Sheesh.........That's a warning this time.

:)

PIMF

438 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:17:04pm

re: #422 Racer X

How do you prepare them?

For what? Skydiving? Cats dont skydive! Silly animal. Here, have a taco.


Ich bin ein karma...
Ich bin ein karma...
Ich bin ein karma...

(what am I saying here? is that some kind of taco?)

439 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:17:39pm

re: #432 LGoPs

Too much.......
Sheesh.........That a warning this time.

:)

You missed the contraction! =)

/You're

440 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:18:11pm

re: #421 CapeCoddah

I meet many, many "famous" folks. Honestly, I like my unknown clients better.
Emilie's husband was a very nice kid. They had JUST gotten married, I believe his name was Josh. I gave the marriage a year..., it took 6 months for the divorce.

Us common folks never get to get married to 6 hollywood starlettes..
I haven't even clubbed with Paris Hilton..
Why does life suck so much?
/

441 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:18:27pm

re: #422 Racer X

How do you prepare them?

There are people who dress cats and then there are people who

dress

cats.

442 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:18:41pm

re: #439 Gus 802

You missed the contraction! =)

/You're

Caught myself in 437........
*sticking tongue out*

:)

443 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Us common folks never get to get married to 6 hollywood starlettes..
I haven't even clubbed with Paris Hilton..
Why does life suck so much?
/

Those poor seals.
///

444 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:18:59pm

re: #419 JacksonTn

rm ... I have many of my friends who were in Vietnam who talked about Thai Sticks ... but I did not want to seem uncool at the time ... so did not ask what they were ... do you know? ...

Short answer: Expensive, harsh, and very much worth the trouble. Guy I knew who used to smoke them a lot said they were the Russian supermodel of cannabis.

445 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:33pm

re: #441 calcajun

cats.

And there is a proper way to address a cat.

446 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:33pm

re: #418 justdanny

Um...doesn't that make Algore an animal too?

447 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:48pm

re: #418 justdanny

All Nam Vets as well as those currently serving in all branches of the US military, are animals. The entire command structure, animals. Your neighbors and coworkers, animals. The guy driving to close to your bumper and the old lady at the drive though, both animals. And the lady at the drive through is the keymaster to the taco vault. And animals built the vault.

Youtube Video
448 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:48pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Us common folks never get to get married to 6 hollywood starlettes..
I haven't even clubbed with Paris Hilton..
Why does life suck so much?
/

Be glad, you remain disease-free.

449 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:19:58pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Us common folks never get to get married to 6 hollywood starlettes..
I haven't even clubbed with Paris Hilton..
Why does life suck so much?
/

Never fear, Hoosier, your day will come!
(hopefully nowhere near Parasite Hilton)

450 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:03pm

re: #446 Macker

Um...doesn't that make Algore an animal too?

Yes, but one celled.

451 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:21pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

And there is a proper way to address a cat.

Where do you put the stamp?

452 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:31pm

re: #448 doppelganglander

Be glad, you remain disease-free.

*Claps*

453 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:46pm

re: #449 CapeCoddah

Never fear, Hoosier, your day will come!
(hopefully nowhere near Parasite Hilton)

he will require every single antibiotics known to man
//////

454 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:51pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

And there is a proper way to address a cat.

Your Highness.

455 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:51pm

re: #433 JacksonTn

albusteve ... I have been using imeem.com more and more ... I am getting tired of youtube restrictions ... I never really cared about videos anyway ... btw ... I have Bluest Blue on my imeem playlist and in two weeks it got over 1200 plays ... thanks for turning me onto that song ... never heard it before you posted it ...

me too...Alvin Lee has a ton of great blues..and alot of other stuff too, but he goes way back...someone said that was the perfect blues song and it might be...exceptional guitar work...I think I'll just dial it up myself right now

456 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:20:58pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

And there is a proper way to address a cat.

Ahh, but the naming of cat....

457 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:12pm

re: #412 CapeCoddah

She is a beautiful, high maintenance spoiled brat.

An ugly, high maintenance spoiled brat is better?

458 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:25pm

re: #452 DEZes

*Claps*

Quit it! The damned lights blink off and on every time you do that.

459 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:31pm

re: #434 Guanxi88

Wiki knows all:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

not about "Kauai Electric"...........

460 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:35pm

re: #450 DEZes

Yes, but one celled.

Amoeba.

461 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:21:45pm

re: #451 Gus 802

Where do you put the stamp?

The Addressing of Cats

Old Deuteronomy: YOU'VE HEARD OF SEVERAL KINDS OF CAT
AND MY OPINION NOW IS THAT
YOU SHOULD NEED NO INTERPRETER
TO UNDERSTAND OUR CHARACTER
YOU'VE LEARNED ENOUGH TO TAKE THE VIEW
THAT CATS ARE VERY MUCH LIKE YOU
YOU'VE SEEN US BOTH AT WORK AND GAMES
AND LEARNED ABOUT OUR PROPER NAMES
OUR HABITS AND OUR HABITAT
BUT HOW DO YOU ADDRESS A CAT?
SO FIRST YOUR MEMORY I'LL JOG
AND SAY A CAT IS NOT A DOG

All Jellicles: SO FIRST YOUR MEMORY I'LL JOG
AND SAY A CAT IS NOT A DOG

Old Deuteronomy: WITH CATS, SOME SAY ONE RULE IS TRUE
DON'T SPEAK TILL YOU ARE SPOKEN TO
MYSELF, I DO NOT HOLD WITH THAT
I SAY YOU SHOULD ADDRESS A CAT
BUT ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT HE
RESENTS FAMILIARITY
YOU BOW, AND TAKING OFF YOUR HAT
ADDRESS HIM IN THIS FORM: O CAT!
BEFORE A CAT WILL CONDESCEND
TO TREAT YOU AS A TRUSTED FRIEND
SOME LITTLE TOKEN OF ESTEEM
IS NEEDED, LIKE A DISH OF CREAM
AND YOU MIGHT NOW AND THEN SUPPLY
SOME CAVIAR OR STRAUSSBURG PIE
SOME POTTED GROUSE, OR SALMON PASTE
HE'S SURE TO HAVE HIS PERSONAL TASTE
AND SO IN TIME YOU REACH YOUR AIM
AND CALL HIM BY HIS NAME

All Jellicles: A CAT'S ENTITLED TO EXPECT
THESE EVIDENCES OF RESPECT
SO THIS IS THIS AND THAT IS THAT
AND THERE'S HOW YOU ADDRESS A CAT
A CAT'S ENTITLED TO EXPECT
THESE EVIDENCES OF RESPECT
SO THIS IS THIS AND THAT IS THAT
AND THERE'S HOW YOU ADDRESS A CAT

462 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:09pm

re: #457 Spare O'Lake

An ugly, high maintenance spoiled brat is better?

Good point

463 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:12pm

re: #457 Spare O'Lake

An ugly, high maintenance spoiled brat is better?

LOL, kindness toward the serfs goes a long way!

464 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:24pm

re: #438 justdanny

For what? Skydiving? Cats dont skydive! Silly animal. Here, have a taco.

Ich bin ein karma...
Ich bin ein karma...
Ich bin ein karma...

(what am I saying here? is that some kind of taco?)

do not diss the Taco....bad mojo

465 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:50pm

re: #459 IslandLibertarian

not about "Kauai Electric"...........

New one on me. Back in Beantown, we smoked what we could get. Foreign kids always had the best stuff, but were a pain in the ass to deal with.

466 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:51pm

re: #444 Guanxi88

.... the Russian supermodel of cannabis.

If you got the opium, the hash-oil could get trashy.

467 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:22:58pm

re: #456 Guanxi88

Ahh, but the naming of cat....

Yea, it's corny but a clever show, no doubt about it. It introduced a lot of folks to musical theatre who normally wouldn't think of seeing a musical.

468 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:07pm

I know I know I know

Skydiving cat

469 Gella  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:14pm

re: #457 Spare O'Lake

An ugly, high maintenance spoiled brat is better?

don't forget: in that scull there were no gray matter found

470 Winslow  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:25pm

Apeman

Youtube Video
471 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:27pm

re: #438 justdanny

For what? Skydiving? Cats dont skydive! Silly animal. Here, have a taco.


Ich bin ein karma...
Ich bin ein karma...
Ich bin ein karma...

(what am I saying here? is that some kind of taco?)

You are telling your mother that you are a Volkswagen.

472 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:52pm

re: #466 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

If you got the opium, the hash-oil could get trashy.

Never bought into that myth - why spike hash with opium? Isn't that like cutting gasoline with whiskey? The expense of opium always made me doubt the rumors.

473 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:53pm

re: #452 DEZes

*Claps*

I see what you did there...syphilis to say, well done.

474 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:23:59pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

And there is a proper way to address a cat.

The same way you address a golf ball?///

475 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:12pm

re: #458 Guanxi88

Quit it! The damned lights blink off and on every time you do that.

Hehe.

476 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:45pm

Be back in a few, gotta run to my desk at the shop for a sec. Have some mail to send to Golden...

477 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:24:55pm

re: #474 calcajun

The same way you address a golf ball?///

Adds meaning to the term slice.

478 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:10pm

Tas Walker of Answers in Genesis is all hot and bothered! He's emailed twice today already about the Ida fossil, begging me to renounce my Darwinist folly.

One of the emails links to this article about some paleontologists skeptical of the fossil:

'Revolutionary' Fossil Fails to Dazzle Paleontologists.


Hah! Scientists are debating the find! That proves it's false! Take that, evolution boy!

The best part of that article is this comment from a reader calling himself "doctor:"

This is obviously a complete fossil. What Evolution has to show us is fossils of transtional forms with incomplete organs. Half fish half reptile, half reptile half bird. Montrous creatures. And the transitional forms must outnumber the stable species. we must have trillions of hem if evolution is a fact. But we dont have any. We have 100 million fossils today belonging to complete stable species. we dont have even single transitional form. That scientific fact refutes all the claims of Darwinism. Scientific fact disproves the theory of evolution. Species appear abruptly, complete and perfectly formed. This fact poves us an exalted Creation by Allah.

Behold, the Crocoduck, courtesy of Bill O'Reilly!

Youtube Video
479 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:15pm

re: #474 calcajun

The same way you address a golf ball?///

Wow, that's gotta hurt a bit, well, for a moment.

480 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:18pm

re: #468 justdanny

I know I know I know

Skydiving cat

I always thought the booties on that cat was funny. Also the way he freaks out right before he jumps out of the airplane. Looks like the cat knew he was about to take the jump and wanted to get back in the airplane.

481 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:23pm

re: #419 JacksonTn

rm ... I have many of my friends who were in Vietnam who talked about Thai Sticks ... but I did not want to seem uncool at the time ... so did not ask what they were ... do you know? ...

I think they were the same things that we called Bhudda grass. It was pot laced with the flavor du jour, i.e. hash, opium etc.

482 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:31pm

re: #471 Spare O'Lake

I think that wuld go like this,"Mom, I'm a volkswagon"

483 jcm  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:39pm

re: #474 calcajun

The same way you address a golf ball?///

Before or after it goes in the rough?

484 theheat  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:25:49pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I better call some of my friends and tell them according to this group's poll results, they're screwed.

FWIW - I always replace Fundie with Family in these kinds of groups: Focus on Fundie, American Fundie News Network, etc. It's more appropriate. These people are way, way out there. Nuts.

485 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:26:08pm

Hello Lizards,

I just got back from a wonderful afternoon with fellow lizards Chicago Dude Who Trades and Deseeded who was in town from Boston. We had dim sum and it was a blast getting to finally meet some LGF'ers in the flesh. Chicago Dude is very pleasant and thanks for serving our country, I forgot to tell him that. Deseeded had his Boston Red Sox cap on which I am a huge Red Sox fan so that was great. It was so refreshing to have a conversation in Chicago without liberals. I never thought it was possible. Here we were in this restaurant alone with no one around but Chinese waitstaff and we were dishing about Obama and the economy, torture. It was fantastic and I am so psyched.

When you live in a place like Chicago, you think that you are the only conservative so today was the first time I have interacted with people outside of work. I had fun connecting and Chicago Dude we should get together for a Cubs game sometime or sushi.

486 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #477 screaming_eagle

Adds meaning to the term slice.

Or new meaning to the term "Skimbleshanks"

487 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:01pm

re: #481 rightymouse

I think they were the same things that we called Bhudda grass. It was pot laced with the flavor du jour, i.e. hash, opium etc.

rm ... I get it ... to this day (I don't smoke reefer now) if I smell a skunk ... I can almost get high ... that skunk weed was some nasty smelling stuff ... how did our bodies survive ... sigh ...

488 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:16pm

O'Reilly doesn't even blink at the crocoduck picture! Man, that's good TV.

489 marsl  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:26pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

You should be aware of the growing numbers of fundamentalist Christians in Europe, and creationism IS growing there.

YOu are right. But they are not at the same level as their american mates. Yet.

But, of course, their power can grow with a victory of their ideology in the USA.
As usual with another hot european topics, this is a non-existing subject in Portugal. Nobody defends "intelligent design" here.

490 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:31pm

But I have a Volvo wagon... So she would have been like, "Now Danny, learn up on your cars there honey."

491 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:34pm

re: #478 Charles

Tas Walker of Answers in Genesis is all hot and bothered! He's emailed twice today already about the Ida fossil, begging me to renounce my Darwinist folly.

One of the emails links to this article about some paleontologists skeptical of the fossil:

'Revolutionary' Fossil Fails to Dazzle Paleontologists.

Hah! Scientists are debating the find! That proves it's false! Take that, evolution boy!

The best part of that article is this comment from a reader calling himself "doctor:"

Behold, the Crocoduck, courtesy of Bill O'Reilly!


[Video]

Holy shit. This person actually thinks that we must find something that is half this and half that? I must have missed that in biology class.

492 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:42pm

re: #473 doppelganglander

I see what you did there...syphilis to say, well done.

If we go down this road it's gonnabearrheal bad development.....

493 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:27:57pm

Hola Honcos!

So, a dose of reality. Did anyone not warn them about asking questions they don't know the answer too in situations such as these?

(am I #478 to make this comment?)

494 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:02pm

re: #478 Charles

Tas Walker of Answers in Genesis is all hot and bothered! He's emailed twice today already about the Ida fossil, begging me to renounce my Darwinist folly.

One of the emails links to this article about some paleontologists skeptical of the fossil:

'Revolutionary' Fossil Fails to Dazzle Paleontologists.

Hah! Scientists are debating the find! That proves it's false! Take that, evolution boy!

The best part of that article is this comment from a reader calling himself "doctor:"

Behold, the Crocoduck, courtesy of Bill O'Reilly!


[Video]

Anything like a crocostimpy?

495 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:04pm

re: #487 JacksonTn

You can always tell by those who enjoy the scent of dead skunk. ;p

496 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:10pm

re: #481 rightymouse

I think they were the same things that we called Bhudda grass. It was pot laced with the flavor du jour, i.e. hash, opium etc.

they were different things to different people...I originally saw them as tightly bound flower tops...with thread, for export...very neat and tidy for the long trip over the waves

497 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:14pm

re: #488 Charles

O'Reilly doesn't even blink at the crocoduck picture! Man, that's good TV.

I'm just shaking my head. This is like watching The Onion or SNL.

Kirk Cameron?

498 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:22pm

re: #478 Charles

Institutionalized idiocy.

499 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:44pm

It's half cat, and half astrophe.

500 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:47pm

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

two playwrites are walking down Broadway when they see a window washer fall from his scaffold and free fall 20 stories until miraculously glancing off an enormous flag and bouncing off an awning and landing unharmed on the sidewalk.
One says to the other " Boy was he lucky!"
The other replies, "No, Andrew LLoyd Weber is lucky."

501 karl__lembke  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:28:48pm

I don't think it's going at all the way they wanted. It appears to have been closed.

502 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:29:30pm

Off to get myself a taco. Bbl.

503 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:29:50pm

re: #478 Charles

With a moniker of Evolution Boy, do you get a cape? Special super powers? X-ray vision? ANYTHING? I mean besides the ability to reason and use logic.

504 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:29:54pm

re: #498 Killgore Trout

Institutionalized idiocy.

No, it's harder and harder to commit people these days.

505 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:30:14pm

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

WHAT :)

There was many things explained, maybe more than you realize. They have been saying "dead is dead" for years now. Well, the anti-Jacob explains all that. Not only has he appeared as Locke, that explains seeing Charlie, Christian, Claire, Yemi, that Dharma chick and Kate's horse. That also explains why the "Others" are so concerned with making sure someone who dies is BURIED, or else anti-Jacob can appear as a simulacrum of that person/thing.

The statue is of Taweret, we know who has been doing all the manipulation all this time, Jacob and anti-Jacob. Young Locke never recognized the compass when he was a little boy, because Locke never gave Richard the compass, it was anti-Locke. Illana and Braum are off-island "Others." They did change the future, in that they enabled everything to happen. If they had not tried what they did, nothing would have been the same. For a matter of fact, the best way Jack could have stopped everything from happening was to do nothing.

Locke has been his own self-fulfilling prophecy, no one ever said he should be the leader, he said it himself. Jacob brought the Black Rock to the Island. This "chess game" has been going on for ages. Dharma was given an example of what they needed to do to prevent a major problem in the future, they built a "failsafe" into the Swan Station in the future. A nuclear failsafe, which Desmond used.

I could go on and on.

They answers a lot of questions. And, the most important is John Locke is dead, and we won't be seeing him as anything but the anti-Locke. He was a pasty, all along, never meant to be great.

Agree that Locke was a tool. Apparently, the actor will return, presumably as anti-Locke.

I guess what I'm saying is that, although a lot of loose ends were tied together, there's still no explanation for who these people are or why they're doing the things they're doing. Their relationship to one another remains unclear, as does their relation to the Losties.

By the way - the Tawaret explanation seems to still be up in the air. Tawaret is typically depicted with a hippo's features; the view we got of the statue looked more crocodilian. Same with it's depiction in Jacob's tapestry. I'm not convinced this is settled yet.

I don't understand your references to Ilanna and Bram; what is it they did that you're referring to? I only started watching last year; I've seen most of the episodes on Sci-Fi reruns, but I may have missed some. Have they appeared before? Prior to their appearance on the flight, I don't recall seeing them.

506 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:30:22pm

re: #491 Walter L. Newton

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

507 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:31:05pm

re: #485 Afrocity

Thank you for that, but I'm afraid I got here first. LOL. Read #241 on this thread. I'm cool with the idea of a Cubs game someday

508 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:31:06pm

re: #487 JacksonTn

rm ... I get it ... to this day (I don't smoke reefer now) if I smell a skunk ... I can almost get high ... that skunk weed was some nasty smelling stuff ... how did our bodies survive ... sigh ...

I tried pot and it did nothing for me & I don't like the smell. Never tried the 'heavier' stuff. Saw a lot of kids get strung out on heroin and opium so they were natural turn-offs for me.

509 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:31:14pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

Eco points out the platypus is the first and only post-modern animal - it exists solely by way of reference to other, already existing animals.

510 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:31:34pm

re: #472 Guanxi88

Never bought into that myth - why spike hash with opium? Isn't that like cutting gasoline with whiskey? The expense of opium always made me doubt the rumors.

Got me, I don't know the myth and don't really care.

511 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:31:38pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

And good eating, too!

512 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:04pm

Well, alls I know is here in Lousyana, we do indeed have terducken.

there's your transitional stuff, right there.

Kidding aside -
Why do these folks always seem to make it about evolution vs. belief in God?
It isn't "about" that at all.

513 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:07pm

re: #496 albusteve

they were different things to different people...I originally saw them as tightly bound flower tops...with thread, for export...very neat and tidy for the long trip over the waves


Can't relate because I never tried the stuff. :)

514 Bloodnok  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:07pm

re: #509 Guanxi88

Eco points out the platypus is the first and only post-modern animal - it exists solely by way of reference to other, already existing animals.

What did the Bunnymen have to say about it?

515 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:19pm

re: #511 Guanxi88

But is it kosher?

516 callahan23  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:21pm

I am outta here. Have a good night Lizardim.
Love ya, ... mostly.

517 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:22pm

re: #503 ArmyWife

With a moniker of Evolution Boy, do you get a cape? Special super powers? X-ray vision? ANYTHING? I mean besides the ability to reason and use logic.

It's kind of sad that the ability to use reason and logic in this day and age are themselves super powers.

518 marsl  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:27pm

re: #511 Guanxi88

Can we make a bar-b-que with a platypus?

519 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:34pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

My existential question is if you see a pair of them are they called platypusses....or are they platypi......hmmmmmmm?

520 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:44pm

re: #511 Guanxi88

What kind of wine goes with platypus? Maybe it's beer food.

521 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:51pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

It's the real missing link.

522 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:32:57pm

re: #478 Charles


"The best part of that article is this comment from a reader calling himself "doctor:"

*Quack*
Crocoduck

523 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:33:11pm

re: #512 reine.de.tout

I hear that's really good. I've never tried it.

524 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:33:32pm

re: #515 calcajun

But is it kosher?

We're still trying to work that one out. Some differences of opinion; we're pretty sure the eggs are OK, so long as you don't take them all when you harvest, but after that, things sort of fall apart.

525 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:33:51pm

re: #507 chicagodudewhotrades

Thank you for that, but I'm afraid I got here first. LOL. Read #241 on this thread. I'm cool with the idea of a Cubs game someday

you guys make me homesick.......
:)

526 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:33:51pm
527 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:33:58pm

re: #521 Sharmuta

It's the real missing link.

It's what happened when God listened to the focus group.

528 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:08pm

re: #520 Killgore Trout

What kind of wine goes with platypus? Maybe it's beer food.

Probably a red wine.

529 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:13pm

Democrats are a transitional species.

530 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:16pm

re: #520 Killgore Trout

What kind of wine goes with platypus? Maybe it's beer food.

What's not a beer food?

531 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:28pm

re: #520 Killgore Trout

What kind of wine goes with platypus? Maybe it's beer food.

See, I think the more important question is, what kinda booze must you swill before you decide to eat platypus?

532 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:33pm

re: #512 reine.de.tout

Well, alls I know is here in Lousyana, we do indeed have terducken.

there's your transitional stuff, right there.

Kidding aside -
Why do these folks always seem to make it about evolution vs. belief in God?
It isn't "about" that at all.

it' a political device to frame the opposition...

533 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:38pm

re: #512 reine.de.tout


Why do these folks always seem to make it about evolution vs. belief in God?
It isn't "about" that at all.

My guess is that some people need to feel besieged to feel fully alive in their faith.

534 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #530 Nevergiveup

What's not a beer food?

Scotch!

535 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:34:45pm

re: #530 Nevergiveup

What's not a beer food?

Ice cream.

536 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:35:03pm

re: #505 SixDegrees

Agree that Locke was a tool. Apparently, the actor will return, presumably as anti-Locke.

I guess what I'm saying is that, although a lot of loose ends were tied together, there's still no explanation for who these people are or why they're doing the things they're doing. Their relationship to one another remains unclear, as does their relation to the Losties.

By the way - the Tawaret explanation seems to still be up in the air. Tawaret is typically depicted with a hippo's features; the view we got of the statue looked more crocodilian. Same with it's depiction in Jacob's tapestry. I'm not convinced this is settled yet.

I don't understand your references to Ilanna and Bram; what is it they did that you're referring to? I only started watching last year; I've seen most of the episodes on Sci-Fi reruns, but I may have missed some. Have they appeared before? Prior to their appearance on the flight, I don't recall seeing them.

No, they are new characters, introduced this season. They spoke to Richard in Latin, which, per Juliet, denotes an "other." So we know that they are working with the "others."

ABC's official press release says it was Tawaret, so that's canon for now, unless the producers correct that. As it is, the sandals were Roman, not Egyptian, so it may just be because it's a fanciful version slapped together by the art department.

537 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:35:27pm

re: #529 Spare O'Lake

Democrats are a transitional species.

Wouldn't that prove devolution?

538 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:35:36pm

re: #491 Walter L. Newton

Holy shit. This person actually thinks that we must find something that is half this and half that? I must have missed that in biology class.

Apparently, they missed that whole "incremental change" thing. You know - the part that requires unGodly amounts of time to effect significant change, more time than a 6000-year-old-earth allows for.

But there I go, trying to apply consistency and logic to creationist arguments. My bad.

539 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:35:45pm

re: #518 marsl

Can we make a bar-b-que with a platypus?

The Australian Platypus Board says you can; go for it.

540 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:06pm

re: #535 DEZes

Ice cream.

Beer float, anyone?

541 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:10pm

Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.) said Thursday that he is open to keeping a more transparent Guantanamo facility, complete with more aggressive third party monitors, open beyond the White House January 2010 closure deadline to hold the most dangerous inmates.

"If we have transparency and accountability, than you can leave Gitmo just like it is," he said. "The physical plant of Guantanamo is built to hold people. And therefore I argue and will pursue the administration to give a look at legislation that I am developing that will give transparency and accountability and may satisfy our allies as well," Hastings said, noting that he would enable groups like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Red Cross to have better access to monitor the facility.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What a giant tool?

542 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:10pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

So is my parrot, at least part reptile.

543 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:24pm

re: #534 calcajun

Scotch!

Chaser?

544 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:24pm

re: #485 Afrocity

Totally awesome...That is wonderful!

545 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:37pm

re: #523 Killgore Trout

I hear that's really good. I've never tried it.

I haven't yet tried it either.

But if you've got some money to spend and a big group to feed, you can order it!

546 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:39pm

re: #540 Guanxi88

Beer float, anyone?

Yuk, beer is sacred.

547 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:41pm

re: #539 Guanxi88

The Australian Platypus Board says you can; go for it.

but only if you hit it with your car....

548 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:36:48pm

re: #507 chicagodudewhotrades

Oh thank you, you are too sweet.

I will look at the inter league schedule and see who the Cubs are playing or we can do the subway series. The Cubs never seem to play anyone good like the Yankees or Boston but maybe this year they will.

549 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:37:37pm

Plawombroo--- A platypus stuffed inside a wombat stuffed inside a kangaroo.

Throw one on the barbee!

550 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #546 DEZes

Yuk, beer is sacred.

C'mon! Like nobody else here has ever tried a scoop of coffee ice cream in a pint of Guinness.

551 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #541 Nevergiveup

Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.) said Thursday that he is open to keeping a more transparent Guantanamo facility, complete with more aggressive third party monitors, open beyond the White House January 2010 closure deadline to hold the most dangerous inmates.

"If we have transparency and accountability, than you can leave Gitmo just like it is," he said. "The physical plant of Guantanamo is built to hold people. And therefore I argue and will pursue the administration to give a look at legislation that I am developing that will give transparency and accountability and may satisfy our allies as well," Hastings said, noting that he would enable groups like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Red Cross to have better access to monitor the facility.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What a giant tool?

Hey, I'm liking that idea a bit. Could we get the ACLU in their too! For a matter of fact, let's trade the terrorists for the ACLU.

552 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:38:27pm
553 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:38:29pm

re: #550 Guanxi88

C'mon! Like nobody else here has ever tried a scoop of coffee ice cream in a pint of Guinness.

I have no ice cream :(

554 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:38:35pm

re: #545 reine.de.tout

I haven't yet tried it either.

But if you've got some money to spend and a big group to feed, you can order it!

damn!....I'm droolin....DROOLIN!

555 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:38:41pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

Hey, I'm liking that idea a bit. Could we get the ACLU in their too! For a matter of fact, let's trade the terrorists for the ACLU.

OK that puts a whole other spin on the idea?

556 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:38:43pm

re: #541 Nevergiveup

Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.) said Thursday that he is open to keeping a more transparent Guantanamo facility, complete with more aggressive third party monitors, open beyond the White House January 2010 closure deadline to hold the most dangerous inmates.

"If we have transparency and accountability, than you can leave Gitmo just like it is," he said. "The physical plant of Guantanamo is built to hold people. And therefore I argue and will pursue the administration to give a look at legislation that I am developing that will give transparency and accountability and may satisfy our allies as well," Hastings said, noting that he would enable groups like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Red Cross to have better access to monitor the facility.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What a giant tool?

Wasn't he the defrocked judge?

557 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:39:28pm

re: #556 LGoPs

Wasn't he the defrocked judge?

Yes

558 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:39:33pm

re: #541 Nevergiveup

Hard to believe Alcee Hastings can speak the word "accountability" without being struck by lightning.

559 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:39:40pm

re: #549 Killgore Trout

Plawombroo--- A platypus stuffed inside a wombat stuffed inside a kangaroo.

Throw one on the barbee!

eat a kangaroo?....that's just cold bro

560 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:39:42pm

re: #553 DEZes

I have no ice cream :(

Just substitue extra beer for missing ice cream.

561 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:39:48pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

They also ignore the fact that the Platypus is physically and genetically part mammal, reptile, and bird.

Not so sure about that. It shares superficial physical characteristics with all those groups, but it isn't an amalgam of them. It's eggs have leathery shells, unlike any bird; it's "bill" isn't anything like a bird's bill in tissue, construction or usage. It's a mammal, one odd branch of a larger group of mammals that has survived while it's cousins have largely perished.

562 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:39:52pm

re: #546 DEZes

Yuk, beer is sacred.

In Germany it's considered one of the major food groups.......
Yum.

563 JacksonTn  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:40:15pm

I never really gave it much thought ... as I rarely (if ever) engage creationists ... but I am wondering ... do they believe in other life out there in the universe? ... or would that also go against their religion? ... I believe ...

and with that question ... I am out ... thanks for the laughs and music ... work tomorrow ...

Youtube Video
564 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:40:19pm

re: #560 screaming_eagle

Just substitue extra beer for missing ice cream.

freezer beer. ;)

565 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:40:34pm

re: #559 albusteve

eat a kangaroo?....that's just cold bro

Heat it up, then! That's why there's a microwave in the break room.

566 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:03pm

re: #552 buzzsawmonkey

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

Taweret is the Egyptian goddess of pregnancy.

I find it amusing that the Egyptians worshipped pregnancy in the form of a hippopotamus goddess; I am sure that the ancient Egyptian women's movement had more than a few choice words to say about that.

Fertility problems is one of the plot arcs of the show.

567 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:05pm

re: #526 buzzsawmonkey

G-d created evolution, and sent the platypus the bill.

lololol!

568 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:12pm

re: #557 Nevergiveup

Yes

Figures. Repubs are excoriated for corruption. The fucking Democrats celebrate it.

569 KingKenrod  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:19pm

Climate lobby sees green.

570 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:32pm

re: #565 Guanxi88

Heat it up, then! That's why there's a microwave in the break room.

Is that called hot pockets down under?

571 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:39pm
572 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:49pm

Fascist apologist Donald Douglas thinks this comment (from the always effervescent Protein Wisdom) is the soul of wit:

In the latest news, paleontologists examining the contents of the stomach have discovered material that they believe might be Charles Johnson’s spooge.

573 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:41:58pm

re: #565 Guanxi88

Heat it up, then! That's why there's a microwave in the break room.

Kroo gumbo...

574 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:42:02pm

re: #535 DEZes

awww...but with a glass of Trockenbeerenauslese? Now we're talkin'

575 SixDegrees  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:42:13pm

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

No, they are new characters, introduced this season. They spoke to Richard in Latin, which, per Juliet, denotes an "other." So we know that they are working with the "others."

ABC's official press release says it was Tawaret, so that's canon for now, unless the producers correct that. As it is, the sandals were Roman, not Egyptian, so it may just be because it's a fanciful version slapped together by the art department.

Thanks for the summary. Gotta run for now, but would be happy to discuss this further.

576 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #574 ArmyWife

awww...but with a glass of Trockenbeerenauslese? Now we're talkin'

Armywife! hope today finds you well

577 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:42:56pm

re: #543 Nevergiveup

Oh, alright then.

578 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:43:13pm

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

You haven't had marsupial soup?

I don't get out much...but I'm checking the ingredients on my Beef-O-Roni can

579 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:43:16pm

We covered montremes and marsupials last week when we talked about mammals (and scared the dickens out of a pet hamster that had been brought for observation).

My favorite moment was when I explained that the definition of a mammal is the presence of mammary glands (not live birth). Transcript from that point:

10 year-old girl: What's a mammary gland?

(All teenagers go face down into their laps or hands.)

Me: It's what a mommy mammal feeds a baby mammal with. (I know this girl has a baby sister, and was even at the birth, so I don't need to explain nursing.)

Her: Oh. (face bright red)

(All teenagers, still face down, funny noises coming from their hands, shoulders shaking.)

Biology: The Giggling Science

580 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:43:27pm

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

You haven't had marsupial soup?

He would roo it if he ever did......

581 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:43:28pm

re: #550 Guanxi88

If you drop some Bailey's in the Guinness it TASTES like a chocolate shake - for the 30 seconds you are gulping it down. Not that I know from experience, I just heard. ;)

582 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:43:44pm

re: #572 Charles

Fascist apologist Donald Douglas thinks this comment (from the always effervescent Protein Wisdom) is the soul of wit:

Pathetic.

583 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:43:47pm

re: #572 Charles

Evokes Noel Coward, it does.

584 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:13pm

re: #583 calcajun

Evokes Noel Coward, it does.

ahhh...Jamaica

585 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:18pm

Donald Douglas has been yipping at me like a crack-addled chihuahua for months:

[Link: americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...]

586 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:20pm

re: #574 ArmyWife

awww...but with a glass of Trockenbeerenauslese? Now we're talkin'

I feel like Bluto. ;)

587 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:41pm

Ah yes. More junk from the Ken Ham page:

Ever wonder the basis for cliams that something is millions of years old? It comes from uniformitarianism which was theorized in the 19th century. The drawings that you've seen of the different geologic periods - are just that - drawings! No where can you look at the side of a rock formation and see this drawing in nature. In the early 1980's Mt St Helen errupted and moved massive amounts of earth. Samples of the rocks formed from the laval flows were dated using radiometric dating. I believe the dates were in the 100,000 year range. Even though the flow was witnessed in our day. radiometric dating is a sham and you should be outraged at the level of dishonesty pushed on you

Still promoting the same false radiometric information.

Here's it is debunked (one of many):

How Old Is the Mount St. Helens Lava Dome?
Skeptoid #146

588 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:47pm

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

You haven't had marsupial soup?

Does it come in a microwaveable pouch?

589 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:44:53pm

re: #576 HoosierHoops

hi! It's going! I came home yesterday and slept - just worn out from traveling, the health thing, the stress maybe. Felt good today beyond a bit of soreness and bruising. I probably won't hear from the lab until Tuesday, because of the holiday. I feel positive about it though for some reason.

590 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:09pm
591 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:21pm

re: #561 SixDegrees

Not so sure about that. It shares superficial physical characteristics with all those groups, but it isn't an amalgam of them. It's eggs have leathery shells, unlike any bird; it's "bill" isn't anything like a bird's bill in tissue, construction or usage. It's a mammal, one odd branch of a larger group of mammals that has survived while it's cousins have largely perished.

They decoded the platypus genome last year....
Platypus Genome Reveals Secrets of Mammal Evolution

The genome of the platypus—our most distant mammal relative—has been decoded and analyzed, researchers reported today.

The duck-billed mammal has a genetic affinity with both reptiles and birds, according to a new study.

592 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:22pm

The big fat guy from the Sapranos in the first row at Yankee Stadium. The guy who took care of Junior. What's his real name?

593 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:45:52pm

re: #588 calcajun

Does it come in a microwaveable pouch?

Hot Pockets.

594 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:46:06pm

re: #592 Nevergiveup

The big fat guy from the Sapranos in the first row at Yankee Stadium. The guy who took care of Junior. What's his real name?

Joe Bonono, what's it too ya.

595 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:46:26pm

What do you get when you cross a crocodile with an abalone?
An "abodile", unless you do it wrong, then you get a "crock-of-baloney"....like 6000year old an' stuff..............

596 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:46:28pm

re: #572 Charles

Fascist apologist Donald Douglas thinks this comment (from the always effervescent Protein Wisdom) is the soul of wit:

Well that's disgusting.

However, looking on the up side - you must have these folks running scared, Charles, fearful that your focus on this will shed light on the Discover Institute tactics that will reduce their effectiveness, not immediately perhaps, but over time as people become more and more aware of what is going on.

597 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:46:33pm

re: #592 Nevergiveup

You at a Yankees Game? You mean Big Pussy, the character?

598 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:02pm

re: #594 Walter L. Newton

Joe Bonono, what's it too ya.

Bobby Baccalar in the show, Steve Sheripple or something like that.

599 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:07pm

re: #594 Walter L. Newton

Yes, we have Joe Bonono's--we have Joe Bonono's today!

600 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:18pm

re: #590 buzzsawmonkey

Try Beef-O-Ron-Paul sometime. It comes in lots of flavors, but it's real com-plain meal.

I'll look for a special....sounds radical man

601 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:23pm

re: #585 Charles

Donald Douglas has been yipping at me like a crack-addled chihuahua for months:

[Link: americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...]

Where does Donald Douglas teach again? I think he "teaches" at an online college of sorts. His blog is a half assed collection of pseudo-intellectual whining and his comments usually number in the 1 to 3 range. I hate to even use the word intellectual in the context of Douglas.

602 SlartyBartfast  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:27pm

I've been off line for a couple of days so I've largely missed the Lemur thread(s). However, I've been wondering: how many of these odd, link-candidate lemurs have been found? Isn't mutation one of the fundamental driving processes of evolution in which the more successful mutants possess some survival advantage? Is it possible that this creature was one-of-a-kind? With a single specimen, can we say that this was even a viable species? Or, are we making an assumption much like a scientist in the distant future might unearth a mule and say, "Ah, the missing link between the donkey and the horse!" not knowing that the mule is a sterile hybrid?

Maybe these questions have already been discussed...maybe the discoverers have addressed this in their paper.

(I'm not a Creationist but I'm enough of a scientist to be curious.)

603 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:37pm

re: #535 DEZes

Ice cream.

YOu never had a beer float?

604 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:43pm

re: #589 ArmyWife

hi! It's going! I came home yesterday and slept - just worn out from traveling, the health thing, the stress maybe. Felt good today beyond a bit of soreness and bruising. I probably won't hear from the lab until Tuesday, because of the holiday. I feel positive about it though for some reason.

I'm pulling for you..enjoy the evening....kind regards

605 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:50pm

re: #597 Afrocity

You at a Yankees Game? You mean Big Pussy, the character?

Watching on TV. No Bobby Baccalar.

606 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:47:51pm

re: #541 Nevergiveup

What a giant tool?

Indeed.

607 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:03pm

Just a note of history here. Fundamentalists in the late 1800's were not threatened by the many dinosaur discoveries that were happening and by the obvious conclusion that the earth is very old. Then a few, although very loud, athiests did what Darwin had not; they trumpeted that "your god is dead! This proves it!"

Then came the unfortunate backlash against science that has lasted generations now.

608 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:11pm

re: #603 reine.de.tout

That's gross

609 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:25pm

re: #585 Charles

SGT and LT would like everyone to know for the 50th time, Chihuahuas are a proud breed, a genetically advanced breed if you will. They, in fact, snub their little bitty noses as the likes of Donald Douglas. He would not be capable of embodying the Chihuahua brand, on crack or not. ;)

610 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:35pm

re: #608 Afrocity

That's gross

Yeah, it kinda is, isn't it?

611 gtrs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:48:35pm

went to that site; need a quick shower now...........

612 rain of lead  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:21pm

re: #544 HoosierHoops

hey hoops,

how you be?

613 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:22pm

re: #585 Charles

Donald Douglas has been yipping at me like a crack-addled chihuahua for months:

[Link: americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...]

I'm sure he is thrilled that you noticed.

614 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:26pm

what a tool!

[Link: www.bachelorette.com...]

615 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:39pm

re: #610 reine.de.tout

Yeah, it kinda is, isn't it?

Root beer float..Man's greatest invention...

616 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:49:59pm

re: #607 Spenser (with an S)

Just a note of history here. Fundamentalists in the late 1800's were not threatened by the many dinosaur discoveries that were happening and by the obvious conclusion that the earth is very old. Then a few, although very loud, athiests did what Darwin had not; they trumpeted that "your god is dead! This proves it!"

Then came the unfortunate backlash against science that has lasted generations now.

The first fundamentalists were organizing to stop a book critical on the history of Jesus that came out around the same time as Origin of Species.

617 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:50:07pm

Looks like Toronto hit a road block up in Boston?

618 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:50:07pm

re: #572 Charles

I just looked to see if 'spooge' was a word. Oh, ick. It is. Yes, I've led a mostly sheltered life.

It's amazing to me that people who want to be taken seriously use such crass language.

619 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:50:14pm

re: #607 Spenser (with an S)

Just a note of history here. Fundamentalists in the late 1800's were not threatened by the many dinosaur discoveries that were happening and by the obvious conclusion that the earth is very old. Then a few, although very loud, athiests did what Darwin had not; they trumpeted that "your god is dead! This proves it!"

Then came the unfortunate backlash against science that has lasted generations now.

Where do you get your information? I have seen, held in my hand, tracts and booklets dating from the 1890's, from fundamentalist groups discussing these issues.

620 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:50:24pm
621 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:51:03pm

re: #612 rain of lead

hey hoops,

how you be?

Hi you! I'm doing wonderful! off for 4 days..Getting ready to watch the Laker game..
Really..It doesn't get any better

622 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:51:14pm

re: #615 HoosierHoops

Root beer float..Man's greatest invention...

I love Root beer floats but reine said Beer float. Milwaukees Best and ice cream sounds gross. I dont like Coke or Sprite floats either.

623 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:51:23pm

The atheists are just creating more fundamentalists? I think I've heard that somewhere before, with different players.

624 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:51:35pm

re: #621 HoosierHoops

Hi you! I'm doing wonderful! off for 4 days..Getting ready to watch the Laker game..
Really..It doesn't get any better

Is that the 2nd game? Lakers down one?

625 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:51:53pm

re: #603 reine.de.tout

YOu never had a beer float?

I chased a cooler of beer down a stream once, does that count?

626 Bloodnok  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:52:30pm

re: #614 albusteve

what a tool!

[Link: www.bachelorette.com...]

WTH were you looking for when you found that? //

627 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:52:33pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

Where do you get your information? I have seen, held in my hand, tracts and booklets dating from the 1890's, from fundamentalist groups discussing these issues.

I'll find it, it's in my Origins book. Not saying no one was worried, just that the Fundamentalist movement was not uniformly threatened by it.

628 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:52:40pm

re: #625 DEZes

I chased a cooler of beer down a stream once, does that count?

Don't you hate when that happens?

629 brownmear  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:09pm

Well I will try again. God created earth. The End. If he is omnipotent, he could have created it 4 minutes ago. I was born with memories in a world with evidence that it existed for 100,000 years. If you believe there is a God, this is possible. If you don't believe in a God, all of this evidence argues against a book written by men.

How much does this affect my real life? Not at all. I will still be an engineer and continue to collect a good salary. I can quit tomorrow and find a new job that will probably pay more. Evolution or creation, explain to me, a believer in creation, how it would ever effect my life, one way or the other.

It won't, I am still an engineer in demand. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter what way you teach your children. They will eventually reach their own conclusions. There is a good chance that whatever you teach them they will reach the opposite conclusion. I am the poster child for believing everything my parents do not believe.

So continue the crusade, my children are intelligent, I will expose them to all theories, they will choose without me. Tell them their dad is an idiot and they have to believe like you because?

630 Animal  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:11pm

re: #45 The Other Les

By the way. Someone found a dead squirrel in a bulk box of pecans at the food processing plant I was temping at today.

All part of the greater squirrel conspiracy.

The one you found was probably an informer.

631 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:15pm
632 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:17pm

re: #625 DEZes

I chased a cooler of beer down a stream once, does that count?

Yes indeedy!

I started once to chase an overturned tub of potato salad down a stream once, but then caught sight of that potato salad floating in the water.

I've not had potato salad since.

633 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:20pm

re: #625 DEZes

I chased a cooler of beer down a stream once, does that count?

(Deliverance theme song playing)

634 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:23pm

re: #621 HoosierHoops

Hi you! I'm doing wonderful! off for 4 days..Getting ready to watch the Laker game..
Really..It doesn't get any better

If the cheer leaders were in your living room....
Never mind.

635 rain of lead  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:25pm

re: #621 HoosierHoops

cool, hope your guys get their butts kicked kick some butt. :)

636 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:53:37pm

re: #626 Bloodnok

WTH were you looking for when you found that? //

screwdrivers and drills, that sort of thing...I was insulted to be honest

637 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:54:15pm

re: #622 Afrocity

I love Root beer floats but reine said Beer float. Milwaukees Best and ice cream sounds gross. I dont like Coke or Sprite floats either.

The first time I flew into Amsterdam and saw little old ladies drinking beer and eating egg mcmuffins at 7am I knew the taste of the world was weird.
Hope you are well Afro

638 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:54:25pm

Ya know, there was a line in the movie "Gettysburg" that seems to capture their point of view.

General George Pickett: "Perhaps some of you may think you are descended from a [sic] ape. Perhaps there are some of you who may think I am descended from a ape. But I challenge the man who says that Robert E. Lee is descended from a ape."

General Lewis Armistead: "George, the world trembles at your towering intellect."

The quotes could be a bit off, it's been a while since I last saw that movie....

639 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:54:56pm

re: #625 DEZes

I chased a cooler of beer down a stream once, does that count?

Was it yours or just a target of opportunity?

640 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:55:05pm

re: #623 jaunte

The atheists are just creating more fundamentalists? I think I've heard that somewhere before, with different players.

Didn't say that. There were some jackasses as with any group of people, mostly not the scientists many of whom were Christian, these are professional athiests I'm talking about who saw an opportunity.

641 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:55:50pm

re: #638 Steffan

Ya know, there was a line in the movie "Gettysburg" that seems to capture their point of view.

General George Pickett: "Perhaps some of you may think you are descended from a [sic] ape. Perhaps there are some of you who may think I am descended from a ape. But I challenge the man who says that Robert E. Lee is descended from a ape."

General Lewis Armistead: "George, the world trembles at your towering intellect."

The quotes could be a bit off, it's been a while since I last saw that movie....

the utter low point of Lee's brilliant fight...what a fool

642 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:55:56pm

re: #640 Spenser (with an S)

Are you speaking of people in the 1800's, or today?

643 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:56:16pm

re: #629 brownmear

Well I will try again. God created earth. The End. If he is omnipotent, he could have created it 4 minutes ago. I was born with memories in a world with evidence that it existed for 100,000 years. If you believe there is a God, this is possible. If you don't believe in a God, all of this evidence argues against a book written by men.

How much does this affect my real life? Not at all. I will still be an engineer and continue to collect a good salary. I can quit tomorrow and find a new job that will probably pay more. Evolution or creation, explain to me, a believer in creation, how it would ever effect my life, one way or the other.

It won't, I am still an engineer in demand. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter what way you teach your children. They will eventually reach their own conclusions. There is a good chance that whatever you teach them they will reach the opposite conclusion. I am the poster child for believing everything my parents do not believe.

So continue the crusade, my children are intelligent, I will expose them to all theories, they will choose without me. Tell them their dad is an idiot and they have to believe like you because?

Creationism is not a theory. A theory is something that can be shown with empirical evidence. Creationism is faith.

And you last sentence is pure hyperbole, and has nothing to do with what has been discussed here. You point is not made.

644 Bloodnok  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:56:19pm

re: #629 brownmear

It doesn't matter to me what you believe or teach your children. Just keep it out of public school science class.

645 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:56:47pm

re: #629 brownmear

Could you tell me what state you live in? I have a friend that is an unemployed industrial engineer maybe he should relocate to your area. Or if you left your job could you let me know?

646 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:09pm

re: #642 jaunte

1800's. I'm bemoaning the fact that it has lasted generations.

647 ArmyWife  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:15pm

re: #629 brownmear

They don't. Look, I don't care that you are a creationist, and I don't care that you are teaching your children this. It is your right. I start to care when your right to do that trumps my right to teach science in the classroom of public schools, or my right to believe in evolution and be a Republican.

648 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:16pm

re: #633 Afrocity

this one?:

Youtube Video
649 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:19pm

re: #624 Nevergiveup

Is that the 2nd game? Lakers down one?

ahhhhh..no..The Lakers destroyed the Nuggets in every phase of the game 2 days ago..The Nugs better man up or this series is over..
Big game tonight

650 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:25pm

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

Don't you hate when that happens?

I will tell the story in a short version.
A buddy of mine wanted me and two fishing buddies to take him canoeing.
We put the boat in the water, and I asked him if he knew about canoes and boating, he said sure.
I said get in the back.
And I shoved the boat off and jumped in.
as I reached for the oar to start out journey, idiot stood up and turned us over.
It was a long day.

651 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:26pm

re: #622 Afrocity

I love Root beer floats but reine said Beer float. Milwaukees Best and ice cream sounds gross. I dont like Coke or Sprite floats either.

Then you may take a liking to Root Beer FTL!

652 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:31pm

re: #644 Bloodnok

It doesn't matter to me what you believe or teach your children. Just keep it out of public school science class.

as a lifelong and dedicated unReformed heathen, I assure you I'll do my best

653 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #645 Afrocity

Could you tell me what state you live in? I have a friend that is an unemployed industrial engineer maybe he should relocate to your area. Or if you left your job could you let me know?

LOL

654 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:39pm

re: #637 HoosierHoops

I am well Hoosier. Now I am all pumped to meet more lizards. We should have a conference.

655 gtrs  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:42pm

re: #621 HoosierHoops me too; my magic made a hell of a comeback last night huh?

656 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:57:44pm

re: #633 Afrocity

(Deliverance theme song playing)

Now that was cold.

657 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:58:40pm

re: #649 HoosierHoops

ahhhhh..no..The Lakers destroyed the Nuggets in every phase of the game 2 days ago..The Nugs better man up or this series is over..
Big game tonight

OK thanks.

658 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:58:41pm

re: #629 brownmear

How much does this affect my real life? Not at all.

Simply not true. You might be surprised to learn how much evolutionary biology effects the medicines you and your children receive, how much the mapping of the human genome has advanced medicine that you, your children and your future grandchildren, etc will benefit from. And then there is the adherence to the scientific method- that benefits all of science, and evolution has withstood the test of time in light of the scientific method.

Of course- if you took a little time to study the importance of evolution, you might come across the reasons why it matters.

659 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:58:43pm

re: #492 LGoPs

If we go down this road it's gonnabearrheal bad development.....

Sorry, I stepped away for a few. I can't believe you couldn't get a pun thread going. Everyone just decided to chlamydia up about it, I guess.

660 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:59:04pm

re: #656 DEZes

Now that was cold.

I always wondered how Ned Beatty and Bill McKinney got along after they filmed that scene?

661 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:59:26pm

re: #658 Sharmuta

Simply not true. You might be surprised to learn how much evolutionary biology effects the medicines you and your children receive, how much the mapping of the human genome has advanced medicine that you, your children and your future grandchildren, etc will benefit from. And then there is the adherence to the scientific method- that benefits all of science, and evolution has withstood the test of time in light of the scientific method.

Of course- if you took a little time to study the importance of evolution, you might come across the reasons why it matters.

That would require critical thinking, and as an engineer, well, never mind... it doesn't make any sense.

662 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:59:36pm

re: #572 Charles

Wow. I can't believe you wrote that. Youre a wild man Charles Jhnson.

663 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:59:46pm

re: #648 chicagodudewhotrades

LOL. Yes that one. I hate that movie but whenever someone says "stream" it makes me think of it.

664 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 5:59:46pm

I think, deep down, most Texans fantasize about being able to do this.

665 Bloodnok  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:03:33pm

Disturbance in the force....

666 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:03:45pm

So do people who live in central Israel.

667 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:03:49pm

re: #655 gtrs

me too; my magic made a hell of a comeback last night huh?

Everybody says the Magic is Soft..They are not soft! They play hard ball hoops flat out..Ask Boston how soft the Magic is...This ain't no play school..They came to win..

668 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:03:59pm

re: #665 Bloodnok

Disturbance in the force....

Yes- I tried to reload the Spy and got a 500 Internal Server Error.

669 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:16pm

re: #668 Sharmuta

Yes- I tried to reload the Spy and got a 500 Internal Server Error.

Me to

670 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:19pm

Well- that was interesting. Looks like one of the hamsters fell off the wheel.

671 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:35pm

Had a little server hiccup there -- my fault, sorry.

672 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #669 Nevergiveup

Me too.

673 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:40pm

re: #654 Afrocity

I am well Hoosier. Now I am all pumped to meet more lizards. We should have a conference.

I agree..We have alot of lizards in the midwest..Would be great fun

674 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:04:49pm

I think the Matrix just reconfigured itself

675 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:00pm

Well, who ate a hamster?

676 Bloodnok  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:03pm

re: #671 Charles

Had a little server hiccup there -- my fault, sorry.

Someone get that cat off the computer desk.

677 rightymouse  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:22pm

Oops. Innernut shaky.

Time for couch and some TV. Hope 'House' is on.

Later!

678 sinsremoved  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:28pm

This part was left out of the LGF post . . .


* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.


[Link: www.onenewsnow.com...]

679 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:41pm

re: #673 HoosierHoops

I agree..We have alot of lizards in the midwest..Would be great fun


Hell I have almost a million miles on American Airlines I'll fly out.

680 sattv4u2  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:42pm

re: #667 HoosierHoops

Everybody says the Magic is Soft..They are not soft! They play hard ball hoops flat out..Ask Boston how soft the Magic is...This ain't no play school..They came to win..

ugh ,,, don't remind me (although it would have been nice without Garnett to at least have had Powe,,,, )

681 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:42pm
682 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:05:51pm

re: #676 Bloodnok

Does Charles have a kitty? Remember the revolving pictures?

683 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:00pm

re: #674 Dar ul Harbarian

I think the Matrix just reconfigured itself

It was midnight in the Dark City.

684 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:20pm

re: #664 Dar ul Harbarian

I think, deep down, most Texans fantasize about being able to do this.

I love it...very almost really funny

685 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:31pm

re: #670 calcajun

Well- that was interesting. Looks like one of the hamsters fell off the wheel.

beer floats.

686 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:37pm

re: #671 Charles

Had a little server hiccup there -- my fault, sorry.

Time to send in the Super Hamsters!

Youtube Video
687 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:42pm

re: #673 HoosierHoops

I agree..We have alot of lizards in the midwest..Would be great fun

Really? I feel that most of you are on the west coast. Never knew so many conservatives lived west until I joined LGF.

688 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

"Gad, sir! They may not frighten the enemy, but they certainly frighten me!"

That was the Duke of Wellington about his troops in Spain.

689 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:06:58pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

Is "a cooler of beer" like "a pride of lions," "a pod of whales," "a murder of crows?"

It can be either a "diesel" or a "lighter".

Peace?

690 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:05pm

re: #678 sinsremoved

What's your point?

691 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:34pm

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

Dark City.

I liked that one better than "The Matrix"

692 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:41pm

So the reason Ken Ham can't accept the idea is that he believes man was created in God's image? Therefore evolution from anything other than another human being is impossible.

And to generalize this out. Most US governors also believe this? And pretty much all CNN and Fox talking heads believe this? Just evidenced by their unquestioning acceptance.

Wasn't God a burning bush?

693 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:53pm

re: #687 Afrocity

Welcome fellow Hoosier.
:)

694 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:07:55pm
695 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:06pm

re: #688 calcajun

That was the Duke of Wellington about his troops in Spain.

"They're pretty, but can they fight?"

696 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:23pm

re: #647 ArmyWife

They don't. Look, I don't care that you are a creationist, and I don't care that you are teaching your children this. It is your right.

Yes, it's their right, and I wouldn't take that right away even if I could.

But I have to admit, I do care when people teach creationism to children. It's a terrible thing to do to a child, and it absolutely has a ruinous effect on many people later in life. The people who are indoctrinated with creationism as children are the ones who grow up and want to force it on everyone else's children.

697 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:28pm

re: #692 hazzyday

Wasn't God a burning bush?

He was that, too.

698 brownmear  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:32pm

I start to care when your right to do that trumps my right to teach science in the classroom of public schools, or my right to believe in evolution and be a Republican.

I don't remember where I said I would silence all who oppose me. What I said was, teach my children everything known to man, and then they have to choose. Is this too restrictive? Nowhere did I say no evolution. My own personal conclusion is that evolution happened with my God. Teach evolution, the first time you say this proves there is no God, I will be there to argue with you. This whole it is either a God or there is evolution is a specious argument. I have always believed in evolution and God. So it is time to start a new argument!

699 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:37pm

re: #694 buzzsawmonkey

My mistake; thanks! Was that prior to Assaye?

That was India. I think it was Talavera or Vittoria.

700 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:50pm

re: #678 sinsremoved

This part was left out of the LGF post . . .

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

[Link: www.onenewsnow.com...]

Doesn't make sense, does it. So, if they generated 4 times as much normal responses, then it's all proportional, a normal amount of responses would still be in favor of evolution.

Simple math, which I know is beyond these people.

701 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:55pm

A military jet crashed north of Edwards Air Force base in Southern California on Thursday.

Kern County fire spokesman Sean Collins said the Talon T-38 went down about 1:30 p.m. local time Thursday in the Mojave Desert.

Collins had no immediate information on the crew. A T-38 can carry two people.

That's a trainer isn't it?

702 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:08:58pm

re: #629 brownmear

"Why is it always engineers?"

Richard Dawkins

703 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:04pm

re: #678 sinsremoved

This part was left out of the LGF post . . .

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

[Link: www.onenewsnow.com...]

Larger sample. it should be more accurate then as far as polls go. But leaving off a Ron Paul option surely screwed it up.

704 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:11pm

re: #678 sinsremoved

This part was left out of the LGF post . . .

* Editor's note: This poll question generated approximately four times the normal number of responses. We question these results because, according to our IT department, the poll was targeted by several pro-evolution websites.

[Link: www.onenewsnow.com...]

Yeah, Ron Paulians all of them....caught the wrong tweet.

705 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:32pm

re: #663 Afrocity

LOL. Yes that one. I hate that movie but whenever someone says "stream" it makes me think of it.

I saw a great bumper sticker the other day: "Paddle harder, I hear banjos."

706 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:35pm
707 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:38pm

re: #679 Nevergiveup

Hell I have almost a million miles on American Airlines I'll fly out.

I saw your earlier comment about me. I did not give up any nooky to Chicago Dude. I am not liberal...about anything.

708 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:38pm

re: #679 Nevergiveup

Hell I have almost a million miles on American Airlines I'll fly out.

We have talked about this summer getting together in Chicago at a Hotel for a weekend..Check in friday..or sat. morning..A blogging conference during the day and dinner and dancing sat. night..Fly out Sunday..
It would be great fun

709 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:39pm

The college I graduated from is quite conservative, Christian and I'm grateful they were so open-minded. I saw Francis Collins speak there (I'd put his evangelical creds up against anyone's) and my biology prof. was a very strong Christian with a Phd. from Harvard who believe that God created everything out of nothing... just not very quickly.

710 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:40pm

Questions to anyone:

How much is DNA analysis used in identifying this lemur as the 'missing link'?

Wouldn't DNA analysis be the (currently) most accurate means of establishing the grand evolutionary tree (vs, e.g. anatomical comparisons which seem to have, necessarily, a component of subjectivity)? How's that (DNA analysis) working out in current evolutionary studies? How's that work - the math behind comparing a couple of DNAs?

711 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:09:40pm

re: #690 Sharmuta

Didn't you think that the results would show a closer split? I did a double take. His addition 'spains things, I think.

712 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:05pm

re: #698 brownmear

I start to care when your right to do that trumps my right to teach science in the classroom of public schools, or my right to believe in evolution and be a Republican.

I don't remember where I said I would silence all who oppose me. What I said was, teach my children everything known to man, and then they have to choose. Is this too restrictive? Nowhere did I say no evolution. My own personal conclusion is that evolution happened with my God. Teach evolution, the first time you say this proves there is no God, I will be there to argue with you. This whole it is either a God or there is evolution is a specious argument. I have always believed in evolution and God. So it is time to start a new argument!

It proves there is no god, what's your rebuttal? Argue away, I want to hear what you have to say.

713 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:28pm

re: #698 brownmear

I don't remember where I said I would silence all who oppose me. What I said was, teach my children everything known to man, and then they have to choose. Is this too restrictive? Nowhere did I say no evolution. My own personal conclusion is that evolution happened with my God. Teach evolution, the first time you say this proves there is no God, I will be there to argue with you. This whole it is either a God or there is evolution is a specious argument. I have always believed in evolution and God. So it is time to start a new argument!

You realize that those pushing creationism think you're going to Hell for accepting evolution even though you also believe in God?

714 sattv4u2  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:45pm

re: #690 Sharmuta

What's your point?

The point sinsremoved is making is pretty clear. Not ever having gone to that site (hell ,, not even HEARING about it) i'm not sure if
A) they've run other polls
leading to
B) what their usual response numbers are
which could lead to
C)

715 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:46pm

re: #702 Jimmah

"Why is it always engineers?"

Richard Dawkins

I thought it was biochemists....?

716 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:52pm

re: #702 Jimmah

"Why is it always engineers?"

Richard Dawkins

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

717 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:53pm

re: #707 Afrocity

I saw your earlier comment about me. I did not give up any nooky to Chicago Dude. I am not liberal...about anything.

I was a tad tippsy when I typed that ya know? And I did use one of them / sarcasm thingys.

718 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:10:56pm

re: #700 Walter L. Newton

It didn't give them the result they wanted, anyway.

Why people think an internet poll means anything, I don't know.

719 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:06pm

re: #701 Nevergiveup

A military jet crashed north of Edwards Air Force base in Southern California on Thursday.

Kern County fire spokesman Sean Collins said the Talon T-38 went down about 1:30 p.m. local time Thursday in the Mojave Desert.

Collins had no immediate information on the crew. A T-38 can carry two people.

That's a trainer isn't it?

Yep. Also a chase plane and NASA astronaut crew aircraft.

720 Bob Dillon  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:13pm

re: #701 Nevergiveup

A military jet crashed north of Edwards Air Force base in Southern California on Thursday.

Kern County fire spokesman Sean Collins said the Talon T-38 went down about 1:30 p.m. local time Thursday in the Mojave Desert.

Collins had no immediate information on the crew. A T-38 can carry two people.

That's a trainer isn't it?

Yes

721 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:19pm

re: #708 HoosierHoops

We have talked about this summer getting together in Chicago at a Hotel for a weekend..Check in friday..or sat. morning..A blogging conference during the day and dinner and dancing sat. night..Fly out Sunday..
It would be great fun

I'm in.

722 albusteve  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:20pm

re: #708 HoosierHoops

We have talked about this summer getting together in Chicago at a Hotel for a weekend..Check in friday..or sat. morning..A blogging conference during the day and dinner and dancing sat. night..Fly out Sunday..
It would be great fun

toss in a subdudes gig and I'm in

723 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:44pm

re: #629 brownmear

Building a Fence

An engineer, a physicist and a mathematicians have to build a fence around a flock of sheep, using as little material as possible.
The engineer forms the flock into a circular shape and constructs a fence around it.
The physicist builds a fence with an infinite diameter and pulls it together until it fits around the flock.
The mathematicians thinks for a while, then builds a fence around himself and defines himself as being outside.

724 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:55pm

re: #710 wii42

Questions to anyone:

How much is DNA analysis used in identifying this lemur as the 'missing link'?

Wouldn't DNA analysis be the (currently) most accurate means of establishing the grand evolutionary tree (vs, e.g. anatomical comparisons which seem to have, necessarily, a component of subjectivity)? How's that (DNA analysis) working out in current evolutionary studies? How's that work - the math behind comparing a couple of DNAs?

If there is no soft tissue, they can't get a DNA sample.

725 avanti  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:55pm

re: #692 hazzyday

So the reason Ken Ham can't accept the idea is that he believes man was created in God's image? Therefore evolution from anything other than another human being is impossible.

And to generalize this out. Most US governors also believe this? And pretty much all CNN and Fox talking heads believe this? Just evidenced by their unquestioning acceptance.

Wasn't God a burning bush?

Who created the Creator and how did he/she/they come up with the man template ?

726 Armywife  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:11:56pm

re: #653 Walter L. Newton

My post disappeared. Whackolanch?

Any way, "Engineer" is too broad. ChemE's are highly employable, especially on the gulf coast at refineries. I am looking for 2 right now - one with strong operations experience in an PSM facility and one with REALLY STRONG ops management experience.

Reliability Engineers can command a pretty penny, too. Mechanical Engineers are employable as well in many sectors of manufacturing to include sales and marketing for Chemical industries (what I know best).

/and no one cares but me, I'm sure.

727 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:01pm

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

If your profession is nothing but the intelligent design of artifacts, everything that "works" starts to look like an intelligently-designed artifact. Intellectual hazard of the occupation.

728 gtrs  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:08pm

re: #661 Walter L. Newton exactly; how could an engineer be a science denier?..... i just don't get it; glad there is hockey and hoops on so i can change my focus............

729 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:09pm

re: #710 wii42

Questions to anyone:

How much is DNA analysis used in identifying this lemur as the 'missing link'?

Wouldn't DNA analysis be the (currently) most accurate means of establishing the grand evolutionary tree (vs, e.g. anatomical comparisons which seem to have, necessarily, a component of subjectivity)? How's that (DNA analysis) working out in current evolutionary studies? How's that work - the math behind comparing a couple of DNAs?

It's a fossil, which means the organic material has been replaced with various minerals. Very doubtful that there's any DNA in it.

730 DEZes  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:12pm

I gotta bail, Have a great one lizards.

731 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:16pm

re: #700 Walter L. Newton

But what if discovery center types linked to it? Wouldn't it follow that it'd be disproportional?

732 rain of lead  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:12:52pm

re: #687 Afrocity

"ahem"
there are a few of us here in the south as well. :-)

733 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:01pm

re: #629 brownmear

Well I will try again. God created earth. The End. If he is omnipotent, he could have created it 4 minutes ago. I was born with memories in a world with evidence that it existed for 100,000 years. If you believe there is a God, this is possible. If you don't believe in a God, all of this evidence argues against a book written by men.

How you can state this with a straight face (I imagine) and not expect to be called a fool, I don't know.

It was the pink unicorn that created it, moron, and it was 6 minutes ago, not 4!

734 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:18pm

re: #710 wii42

Questions to anyone:

How much is DNA analysis used in identifying this lemur as the 'missing link'?

Wouldn't DNA analysis be the (currently) most accurate means of establishing the grand evolutionary tree (vs, e.g. anatomical comparisons which seem to have, necessarily, a component of subjectivity)? How's that (DNA analysis) working out in current evolutionary studies? How's that work - the math behind comparing a couple of DNAs?

When you tell me how they got DNA out of fossilized bone, I'll think about answering that.

735 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:26pm

re: #717 Nevergiveup

I was a tad tippsy when I typed that ya know? And I did use one of them / sarcasm thingys.

You didn't ask the important question. Is chicagodude cute?

736 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:31pm

re: #696 Charles

I was taught in the Lutheran school I went to in 7th and 8th grades that God created the world in six days. I don't know if it was six days literally, or some other amount of time..
In any case, God gets to set the clock, so to speak. in old parlance, He is the Ultimate Game Master. Does this debate threaten my beliefs?
No, it does not.

737 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:38pm

re: #698 brownmear

I start to care when your right to do that trumps my right to teach science in the classroom of public schools, or my right to believe in evolution and be a Republican.

I don't remember where I said I would silence all who oppose me. What I said was, teach my children everything known to man, and then they have to choose. Is this too restrictive? Nowhere did I say no evolution. My own personal conclusion is that evolution happened with my God. Teach evolution, the first time you say this proves there is no God, I will be there to argue with you. This whole it is either a God or there is evolution is a specious argument. I have always believed in evolution and God. So it is time to start a new argument!

I don't recall anyone here ever making the argument that it's either God or evolution. In fact, that's the argument I've only seen coming from creationists.

738 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:41pm

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

People who think science has limits. Refusing to think beyond failure points. Nuff done.

739 avanti  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:54pm

re: #710 wii42

Questions to anyone:

How much is DNA analysis used in identifying this lemur as the 'missing link'?

Wouldn't DNA analysis be the (currently) most accurate means of establishing the grand evolutionary tree (vs, e.g. anatomical comparisons which seem to have, necessarily, a component of subjectivity)? How's that (DNA analysis) working out in current evolutionary studies? How's that work - the math behind comparing a couple of DNAs?

Unlikely that enough DNA survived to build even a a partial chain.

740 sattv4u2  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:13:56pm

re: #700 Walter L. Newton

Not necessarily

A group could have mustered their people and stuffed the ballot box, as it were

741 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:14:53pm

re: #724 Sharmuta

really? (didn't know that) thanks.

742 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:14:54pm

re: #737 reine.de.tout

I don't recall anyone here ever making the argument that it's either God or evolution. In fact, that's the argument I've only seen coming from creationists.

Indeed. It's the creationists pushing this false dichotomy, not people here.

743 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #741 wii42

really? (didn't know that) thanks.

Really.

744 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:10pm

re: #733 Naso Tang

How you can state this with a straight face (I imagine) and not expect to be called a fool, I don't know.

It was the pink unicorn that created it, moron, and it was 6 minutes ago, not 4!

Heretic! It was all just made right now, passess out of existence with each blink, and is re-constituted with each opening of the eye! How dare you try to limit the Pink One's omnipotent horn?

745 gtrs  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:16pm

re: #667 HoosierHoops
agreed completely; i said this during the boston series as well; also, le bron IS the best player on the court BUT the second, third, fourth, AND fifth best player on the same court are wearing magic jersey's; le bron was simply worn down last night and was cramping so bad at the end that he needed assistance into the locker room

746 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:21pm

re: #731 carefulnow

But what if discovery center types linked to it? Wouldn't it follow that it'd be disproportional?

I was being sarcastic. Internet poles are almost worthless unless you have a ton of routines in the code designed to prevent multiple voting.

747 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:39pm
748 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:39pm

re: #735 doppelganglander

You didn't ask the important question. Is chicagodude cute?

Well being a guy, that wasn't exactly on my mind.

749 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:53pm

re: #737 reine.de.tout

I don't recall anyone here ever making the argument that it's either God or evolution. In fact, that's the argument I've only seen coming from creationists.

That, and the argument that Richard Dawkins makes them feel icky.

750 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:15:58pm

re: #735 doppelganglander

Yes he is very cute and tall and VERY intelligent. Great knowledge of baseball cards and Chicago History and well traveled.

751 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:16:17pm

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

Weird indeed. I am (by education anyway) an engineers too. I think it is just that a lot of engine mechanics tend to call themselves engineers, or they admired someone who was a mechanics and therefore called themselves an engineer.

752 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:16:43pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

the species "beer" traveled in groups called "beer wagons" until evolving into "beer trucks"...........

753 Armywife  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:16:45pm

re: #696 Charles

I didn't mean to imply that I am supportive of or happy about it - but it is their right none the less. I like to substitute my judgment for others, especially in these types of cases as my judgment seems...well, more right. But I can't. It doesn't mean, however, I can't voice my opinion and objection. I would simply stop short of commanding it not be done. I hope that makes sense.

754 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:16:53pm

re: #734 Dianna

sorry I seem to have upset you with my ignorance - dna/evolution hasn't ever been particularly interesting to me, except from a math angle - I've got a couple of books in the basement (but they're in the basement) and I checked wolframalpha but it didn't understand my question. anyway - not trying to be smart or anything, just lazy I guess...

755 Altermite  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:16:54pm

re: #727 Guanxi88

If your profession is nothing but the intelligent design of artifacts, everything that "works" starts to look like an intelligently-designed artifact. Intellectual hazard of the occupation.

For someone who studies biology, though, its not always a very bright design. Some parts are fantastically clever and intricate, but there are some things that are just plain stupid and useless to us. Our spine comes to mind, complete with our coccyx at the end. I know some people don't like Dawkins, but The Blind Watchmaker is full of stuff like this.great examples of this.

756 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:19pm

re: #729 Charles

It's a fossil, which means the organic material has been replaced with various minerals. Very doubtful that there's any DNA in it.

Then how did they make the movie Jurassic Park?

757 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:28pm

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Ah.

758 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:37pm

re: #751 Naso Tang

Weird indeed. I am (by education anyway) an engineers too. I think it is just that a lot of engine mechanics tend to call themselves engineers, or they admired someone who was a mechanics and therefore called themselves an engineer.

Could be. I mean, in the real world, I'm a village full of Laotian child laborers; we post here in shifts, to rest our little fingers from the task of stitching knock-off sneakers for the Shanghai market. Hence, the spelling errors.

759 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:49pm

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Internet poles are almost worthless unless you have a ton of routines in the code designed to prevent multiple voting.a implement a series of czechs and balances.

FTFY//

760 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:17:57pm

re: #744 Guanxi88

Heretic! It was all just made right now, passess out of existence with each blink, and is re-constituted with each opening of the eye! How dare you try to limit the Pink One's omnipotent horn?

LOST will reveal all, next year, whenever that is.

761 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:15pm

Never hire a hydrological engineer that "believes" in the "flood theory."

762 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:26pm

re: #750 Afrocity

Yes he is very cute and tall and VERY intelligent. Great knowledge of baseball cards and Chicago History and well traveled.

All the better! If you all do have a Chicago lizard weekend, I am going to do my best to get there. It's a great city and I'd love to meet you, chicagodude, and anyone else who could make it.

763 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:42pm

re: #754 wii42

You didn't offend me, I just thought it a remarkably silly question. I'm not precisely the most scientifically inclined lizard here, and the word "fossil" still told me that it was stone. So no DNA.

764 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:47pm

re: #756 unrealizedviewpoint

Then how did they make the movie Jurassic Park?

Well the mosquito would have to have bitten the missing link then gotten caught in the sap. I guess you don't stuff these movies like some of us?

765 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:18:59pm

re: #756 unrealizedviewpoint

Then how did they make the movie Jurassic Park?

Guys in rubber suits--ain't you never seen a Godzilla move before?

766 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:19:01pm

re: #629 brownmear

You look familiar...is this you in the pic?

Brown mear

767 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:19:03pm

re: #755 Altermite

For someone who studies biology, though, its not always a very bright design. Some parts are fantastically clever and intricate, but there are some things that are just plain stupid and useless to us. Our spine comes to mind, complete with our coccyx at the end. I know some people don't like Dawkins, but The Blind Watchmaker is full of stuff like this.great examples of this.

Just seems to me that if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, if you're not careful. Particularly if you're going out of your lane and into another discipline, the temptation to proceed by unconscious metaphor is too great to overcome.

768 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:19:23pm

re: #754 wii42

There's nothing wrong about being ignorant on matter unless you revel in it. There was a lot about evolution I didn't know when this topic first came up on LGF. I took the time to enlighten myself, and I'm glad I did. It's fascinating stuff, so you should get those books out. You might like it.

769 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #754 wii42

sorry I seem to have upset you with my ignorance - dna/evolution hasn't ever been particularly interesting to me, except from a math angle - I've got a couple of books in the basement (but they're in the basement) and I checked wolframalpha but it didn't understand my question. anyway - not trying to be smart or anything, just lazy I guess...

Lazy it is then; just remember that you said it first.

770 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:08pm

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Internet poles

So many images come to mind...

771 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:09pm

The best way I've heard it put for Christians?

God's creation (the universe) shows us How and When.
God's word (the Bible) shows us Who and Why.

772 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:38pm

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

I don't want to completely disparage an entire discipline (I know there are a lot of sensible engineers too) but over the years I've noticed a lot of troofers - 9/11, JFK, moon landings etc who are engineers as well.

773 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:46pm

re: #762 doppelganglander

All the better! If you all do have a Chicago lizard weekend, I am going to do my best to get there. It's a great city and I'd love to meet you, chicagodude, and anyone else who could make it.

I am here the 4th of July weekend. I have a place with huge party room, hot tub, near museums. That is Taste of Chicago weekend. May be a plan.

774 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:47pm

re: #770 carefulnow

So many images come to mind...

Just dancing in your head, are they, Lech?

775 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:20:59pm

re: #767 Guanxi88

Just seems to me that if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, if you're not careful. Particularly if you're going out of your lane and into another discipline, the temptation to proceed by unconscious metaphor is too great to overcome.

Explaining Margaret Murray brilliantly. As well as many another academic who has fallen off the roof.

776 abolitionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:21:33pm

re: #152 CapeCoddah

Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

That's $100 per second, and the offer was to each individual, independently. As to which charity or charities would benefit, or who decides, the linked story is not clear.

777 Armywife  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:21:37pm

re: #701 Nevergiveup

yes

778 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:21:55pm

Help Wanted

Creationist Agricultural Engineer - 10 years experience. Must not believe in DNA science. 401K, OT, EOE.

779 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:15pm

re: #762 doppelganglander

That is a good idea. i just emailed Honorary Yooper about it. I haven't talked to him in a while. He is another cool chicago lizard worth meeting.

780 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:23pm

re: #776 abolitionist

That's $100 per second, and the offer was to each individual, independently. As to which charity or charities would benefit, or who decides, the linked story is not clear.

Sort of like the dunking booth at the county fair?

781 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:26pm

re: #772 Jimmah

I don't want to completely disparage an entire discipline (I know there are a lot of sensible engineers too) but over the years I've noticed a lot of troofers - 9/11, JFK, moon landings etc who are engineers as well.

Especially the one who created the bunny cage to prove fire can't melt steel.

782 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:28pm

re: #725 avanti

Who created the Creator and how did he/she/they come up with the man template ?

I have the unhappy answer. A singularity of vibration. Self knowledge that reflects. The man template is a transitory form with many imperfect anachronisms that are being evolved through. Part of the undulation of the universe.

The anthropomorphic interpretation of God is formed by the mundane limits of man's faith and intellect. It is how we understand God, but it is by our nature an incomplete understanding. Man is the form evolved to a point where consciousness 'descended'. The fall. Before that man was animal without this type of consciousness

The who created the Creator question can not be absolutely answered by science or by faith. I suspect the closest we can get to that answer is love.

When you get to the infinite questions I think it is important to value all points of views of the mind and the heart regardless of what they are. All are reflections. It becomes a sin to evangelicalize then. One can only be a good example or try to be.

783 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:22:29pm

re: #771 Spenser (with an S)

The best way I've heard it put for Christians?

God's creation (the universe) shows us How and When.
God's word (the Bible) shows us Who and Why.

But for a lot of Christians, the when is 6000 years ago. Don't work for me.

784 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #779 chicagodudewhotrades

You'll still have a drink with me if I hit Chi-town, right?

785 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:23:44pm

re: #776 abolitionist

That's $100 per second, and the offer was to each individual, independently. As to which charity or charities would benefit, or who decides, the linked story is not clear.

So if we waterboard Cheeney.ya think he gives up the super secret hiding place? Oh forget it..I'll just get Biden drunk

786 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:23:51pm

re: #779 chicagodudewhotrades

That is a good idea. i just emailed Honorary Yooper about it. I haven't talked to him in a while. He is another cool chicago lizard worth meeting.

Dark Falcon is in Illinois too.

787 carefulnow  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #774 Guanxi88

Sort of.

788 Armywife  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:24:01pm

re: #778 Gus 802

Not really and EOE now are you?

789 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:24:02pm

re: #782 hazzyday

I have the unhappy answer. A singularity of vibration. Self knowledge that reflects. The man template is a transitory form with many imperfect anachronisms that are being evolved through. Part of the undulation of the universe.

The anthropomorphic interpretation of God is formed by the mundane limits of man's faith and intellect. It is how we understand God, but it is by our nature an incomplete understanding. Man is the form evolved to a point where consciousness 'descended'. The fall. Before that man was animal without this type of consciousness

The who created the Creator question can not be absolutely answered by science or by faith. I suspect the closest we can get to that answer is love.

When you get to the infinite questions I think it is important to value all points of views of the mind and the heart regardless of what they are. All are reflections. It becomes a sin to evangelicalize then. One can only be a good example or try to be.

Someone lives up to their avatar!

790 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #783 Walter L. Newton

But for a lot of Christians, the when is 6000 years ago. Don't work for me.

Walter, you're an atheist! The whole "a lot of Christians" bit should be left for people less apt to jump up and down on Christians.

791 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:24:43pm

re: #788 Armywife

Not really and EOE now are you?

Equal opportunity exploiter.

//

792 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:01pm

re: #782 hazzyday

How does one spell "loss for words" in goobledygok?

793 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #783 Walter L. Newton

I beg to differ. In my present and former neck of the woods, there were precious few I knew who would say they were "young Earthers" I have to believe that they are in a small minority albeit a vocal one. I'd be interested if there were any stats on the subject, though.

794 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:20pm

re: #773 Afrocity

I am here the 4th of July weekend. I have a place with huge party room, hot tub, near museums. That is Taste of Chicago weekend. May be a plan.

That would be fabulous. I don't know if I can come up with the cash for something like that so soon, though. Mr. Doppel is still unemployed. He's got some promising leads, but I won't be able to make plans until something something comes through.

I've got to bail, y'all. Have a great evening!

795 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:38pm

Ack!

I just consulted my bank balance.

OWWWW!

796 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:26:44pm

re: #790 Dianna

Walter, you're an atheist! The whole "a lot of Christians" bit should be left for people less apt to jump up and down on Christians.

I was wondering when that was going to come up. So, I have nothing to offer this debate because I am an atheist? I don't think that's going to shut me up. Good try.

797 doppelganglander  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:27:01pm

re: #779 chicagodudewhotrades

That is a good idea. i just emailed Honorary Yooper about it. I haven't talked to him in a while. He is another cool chicago lizard worth meeting.

I'd love that.

798 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:27:03pm

{Dianna}

799 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #796 Walter L. Newton

Not trying to shut you up, Walter. I'm teasing you.

800 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:27:55pm

re: #792 Naso Tang

How does one spell "loss for words" in goobledygok?

"hamadahamadahamda!"-- Ralph Kramden.

"doi doi doi"--Bugs Bunny.

801 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:02pm

re: #798 Sharmuta

Thanks.

Ow. Ow. Ow!

802 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:12pm

re: #799 Dianna

Not trying to shut you up, Walter. I'm teasing you.

Oh, ok, I missed that. Really.

803 rain of lead  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:23pm

re: #795 Dianna

Ack!

I just consulted my bank balance.

OWWWW!

"I hate when that happens!"

804 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:42pm

re: #795 Dianna

Ack!

I just consulted my bank balance.

OWWWW!

And I just consulted your bank balance (old hacker at heart). Double Owwwwww...

805 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:47pm

re: #784 Sharmuta


Yeah. Like i have said above. i haven't meet a lizard i haven't liked yet

806 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:28:54pm
807 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:01pm

Yossi Melman / Obama quashed Israel military option against Iran

By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent

Tags: Barack Obama, Iran


Israel's military option against Iran has died. The death warrant was issued courtesy of the new U.S. administration led by Barack Obama.

All the administration's senior officials, from the president to his vice president, Joe Biden, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and others are sending strong, clear hints that Israel does not have permission to strike Iran. Yet, given their familiarity with the Israeli client, they have not made do with simple hints and intimations. Washington dispatched the new CIA director, Leon Panetta, to Israel. Panetta made clear to Netanyahu, in so many words, that an Israeli attack would create "big trouble."


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Sigh.

808 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:05pm

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

Oh, ok, I missed that. Really.

With the lack of inflection, it's easy to do.

809 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:08pm
Hey all,, sorry to go OT, but this is pretty sick...
A democrat Rhode Island rep. has suggested fmr. President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Sec. of State Rice be waterboarded for charity... he offers $100 for every minute they endure.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

$100 a second huh?
I'm fantasizing -- but, Cheney could certainly prove them the fools if he took em up on this.

810 calcajun  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:16pm

re: #795 Dianna

Ack!

I just consulted my bank balance.

OWWWW!

I've told you not to do that. Go out and spend and you bank balance will just have to be understanding.

811 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:29:51pm

re: #804 Walter L. Newton

And I just consulted your bank balance (old hacker at heart). Double Owwwwww...

Yeah, and you don't even know about the checks I wrote for my mom.

OW! OW!

812 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:30:58pm

re: #809 unrealizedviewpoint

$100 a second huh?
I'm fantasizing -- but, Cheney could certainly prove them the fools if he took em up on this.

His doctor would never agree.

813 Altermite  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:31:18pm

re: #809 unrealizedviewpoint

$100 a second huh?
I'm fantasizing -- but, Cheney could certainly prove them the fools if he took em up on this.

It'd be a bad idea for cheney. It doesn't cause any damage, but its probably pretty damn stressful while its happening, and Cheney hasn't been in good health for a while

814 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:31:33pm

re: #804 Walter L. Newton

And I just consulted your bank balance (old hacker at heart).

Is that you, Captain Crunch?

815 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:31:47pm

re: #806 buzzsawmonkey

I'm Bozo here, I'm high and I'm dry.

We're all Bozos under the bus.

816 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:31:49pm

Just saw the new cover of time magazine with Michelle Obama on it.
(getting dry heaves now)

817 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:32:03pm

Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day. As they walked, they come across a sign: "Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world."


"I am entering!" said Snow White. After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, "Well, how'd ya do?"

"First Place!" said Snow White.

They continue walking and they see a sign: "Contest for the strongest man in the world."

"I'm entering," says Superman. After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, "How did you make out?"

"First Place," answers Superman. "Did you ever doubt?"

They continue walking when they see a sign: "Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?" Pinocchio enters.

After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes.

"What happened?" they asked.

"Who the hell is this Nancy Pelosi?" asked Pinocchio.

818 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:32:04pm

re: #812 Dianna

His doctor would never agree.

Oh yeah, ticker problems.

819 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:32:20pm

Jimmah: I noticed that you got some flak for pointing out that 'goddessoftheclassroom' was posting comments at the stalker blog, so I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the heads-up.

I want to know if someone with an LGF account is posting comments at a blog run by psychos -- it means they cannot be trusted and their accounts should be blocked.

For example -- zombie trusted ChenZhen to post at his LGF Dictionary site, and that creep proceeded to deface the site, and give his login info to other creeps.

When a lizard goes rogue, please let me know.

820 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #806 buzzsawmonkey

I'm Bozo here, I'm high and I'm dry.

In the summers when I was 17 and 18 I worked carnivals for two seasons. Do you know that a dunk tank, with a good clown working it, can be one of the biggest money makers in the show.

I've seen a tank make over 2000 dollars a night.

Dunk tanks are against the law in a lot of states, because of the trouble they cause.

The cage around the clown is not there just so he can be protected from balls, it's so the patrons can't get to him. I've seen patrons go over the rail after the clown.

Dunk tank is sort of an early KOS type blog.

821 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:33:15pm

re: #819 Charles

Did she?

822 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:33:30pm

re: #821 Nevergiveup

Did she?

Yes.

823 brownmear  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:34:27pm

You realize that those pushing creationism think you're going to Hell for accepting evolution even though you also believe in God?

I never think about other people's interpretation. I probably would have gone to hell according to my mother, a good Catholic. I hate people that try to categorize me because I say I am Catholic raised.

I do not care what other people think. It never enters my thinking. If you want to shape your opinion around what people think, become a politician. If you want to live with yourself, just do what is right. I always do what I think is right. Sometimes it costs me, but if it is right it is right.

Stop that whole what other people say, what does your heart say? Do what you should, it will work out for you, and the hell with everyone else!

824 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:35:06pm

re: #729 Charles

Thanks. What book would you recommend that gets into the math/science of the way cutting-edge evolution is done? I'm ignorant (obviously) but it seems like there'd have to be some subjectivity involved in some decisions, given things like the huge time scales involved. I'm not picturing a lot of subjectivity, but it seems like it's necessarily there once you get further toward the sociology, for example, end of the spectrum of science.

825 ArchangelMichael  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:35:08pm

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

I know a few engineers who run the gamut of every moonbat clique from 9/11 troofers to geocentrist YECs. The only explanation I have is that when you are basically brainwashed (no offense to religious people, seriously I have no better way to describe it) from childhood to believe something, there's not much that can shake you from those beliefs no matter how irrational they might seem.

826 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:36:28pm

re: #819 Charles

I hate this. I just hate it.

827 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:36:39pm

re: #807 Nevergiveup

In other words, الرئيس أوباما wants MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO DIE.

828 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:36:51pm

re: #792 Naso Tang

How does one spell "loss for words" in goobledygok?

Don't get your point. I am quoting pretty accurately. The unhappy adj. is there for a reason.

829 Red Pencil  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:37:10pm

re: #763 Dianna

You didn't offend me, I just thought it a remarkably silly question. I'm not precisely the most scientifically inclined lizard here, and the word "fossil" still told me that it was stone. So no DNA.

The question is actually NOT as "remarkably silly" as it would have been a few years ago. In 2007 proteins were sequenced from a bit of soft tissue preserved inside a T Rex fossil. So DNA is (while unlikely in general, and even more unlikely in a tiny specimen like the lemur!) not as out of the question as it used to be.

Researchers recovered protein from inside a massive T. rex leg bone buried for 68 million years, and sequenced seven fragments that identify it as collagen, the most abundant protein in bone.

...
The sample comes from the same T. rex femur that hit the headlines two years ago when Mary Schweitzer at North Carolina State University, US, found it contained soft tissue she interpreted as blood vessels. At the time, Schweitzer stopped short of claiming the bone contained protein. Now, she and Asara report two lines of evidence for protein.

In Schweitzer's lab, bone samples reacted to an antibody to chicken collagen. That is important because birds are the closest living relatives of T. rex.

Asara nailed the case when he purified Schweitzer's samples and ran them through an ion-trap mass spectrometer. Although the samples contained little protein, he was able to reconstruct the amino acid sequences of seven collagen fragments. Collagen evolves very slowly, and all the fragment sequences matched those of living species, including chickens, newts and frogs.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11591-ityrannosaurus-rexi-fossil-gives-up-precious-protein.html

830 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:37:10pm

re: #819 Charles

Jimmah: I noticed that you got some flak for pointing out that 'goddessoftheclassroom' was posting comments at the stalker blog, so I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the heads-up.

I want to know if a someone with an LGF account is posting comments at a blog run by psychos -- it means they cannot be trusted and their accounts should be blocked.

For example -- zombie trusted ChenZhen to post at his LGF Dictionary site, and that creep proceeded to deface the site, and give his login info to other creeps.

When a lizard goes rogue, please let me know.

I was one of the Lizards questioning whether is was goddess. I know for a fact, she has been emailed by at least 5 Lizards, including me and has not answered the emails.

While not absolute proof, she certainly should have seen an email or heard something about the row by now, so in my opinion, it's not looking good.

831 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:37:22pm

re: #823 brownmear

Pffftttt! I don't care what other people think of me. You completely missed my point. These folks are only interested in indoctrinating your kids- whether you agree with them or not.

832 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:38:12pm

re: #829 Red Pencil

I did not know that.

Thanks for the link!

833 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #768 Sharmuta

I'm sure it is interesting. Too much interesting stuff, not enough time...

834 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:03pm

My Male is feeding me. BBIAB.

835 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:04pm

re: #832 Dianna

I did not know that.

Thanks for the link!

We're sticking it in frog eggs. What could go wrong?

/

836 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:31pm

re: #816 Afrocity

Just saw the new cover of time magazine with Michelle Obama on it.
(getting dry heaves now)

Afrocity -

Don't feel bad, I will ask you a baseline question - Do You SUBSCRIBE to TIME or NEWSWEEK?
Didn't think so - Both are mere shells of what they, LIFE and LOOK were in the 1950's/60's. Both are at best cheerleaders (Paid or "Amateur" I am not sure) for the current Administration and the DNC. Alienating a good part of your potential customers is NOT a Good Business Model.

-S-

837 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:50pm

re: #829 Red Pencil

A thousand up dings for that.

838 Macker  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:39:58pm

re: #817 Nevergiveup

If I could give you 1,000 updings I would!

839 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:42:29pm

re: #830 Walter L. Newton

I was one of the Lizards questioning whether is was goddess. I know for a fact, she has been emailed by at least 5 Lizards, including me and has not answered the emails.

While not absolute proof, she certainly should have seen an email or heard something about the row by now, so in my opinion, it's not looking good.

She's not the only one.

840 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:42:48pm

re: #836 Dr. Shalit

Still, I am confronted by an Obama's face where ever I go. It just means one more magazine cover sticking in my face when I am in the check out lane.

841 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:43:16pm

re: #819 Charles

Jimmah: I noticed that you got some flak for pointing out that 'goddessoftheclassroom' was posting comments at the stalker blog, so I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the heads-up.

I want to know if someone with an LGF account is posting comments at a blog run by psychos -- it means they cannot be trusted and their accounts should be blocked.

For example -- zombie trusted ChenZhen to post at his LGF Dictionary site, and that creep proceeded to deface the site, and give his login info to other creeps.

When a lizard goes rogue, please let me know.

Thanks Charles, will do. I posted this on an earlier thread, but to be honest I think it was dead by then and probably no-one saw it, so here it is again:

Yes, I'm the 'shit stirring talebearer' that some people were so steamed up about yesterday. To make my motives clear, for the benefit of those who found it easier to shoot the messenger and hurl schoolyard epithets:

I'm not a 'shit stirrer'; I just can't stand backstabbers - no matter how holy or pious a guise they don. And I don't take kindly to people abusing my favourite blog or it's community in this way. It's as simple as that.

I do understand that people were reacting emotionally, however, and am willing to cut them slack on that. No bad feelings from me.

842 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:43:42pm

re: #763 Dianna

You didn't offend me, I just thought it a remarkably silly question. I'm not precisely the most scientifically inclined lizard here, and the word "fossil" still told me that it was stone. So no DNA.

Hey I can be super-remarkably silly - it's a gift. But anyway, no I didn't technically know that 'fossil' meant "all stone" - does it? Or does it mean "no-organic". And apparently "no-organic" means "no-DNA". I think I get it now - thanks.

843 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:43:50pm

re: #840 Afrocity

Still, I am confronted by an Obama's face where ever I go. It just means one more magazine cover sticking in my face when I am in the check out lane.

Is his half-brother on the cover of Better Shacks and Starving yet?

/

844 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:44:11pm

re: #843 OldLineTexan

Is his half-brother on the cover of Better Shacks and Starving yet?

/

OOH, that's gonna hurt.

845 rain of lead  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:44:43pm

re: #819 Charles

gotc gone rogue?
aww crap, this world really is going to hell :-(

846 LGoPs  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:44:55pm

re: #688 calcajun

That was the Duke of Wellington about his troops in Spain.

he had a beef with them......
/

847 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:14pm

re: #708 HoosierHoops

Hmmm, $230 return fare from where I live, sounds interesting. All I have to do is save up the time off.

848 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:45pm

re: #847 BlueCanuck

Love to have you.

849 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:45:58pm

re: #840 Afrocity

Still, I am confronted by an Obama's face where ever I go. It just means one more magazine cover sticking in my face when I am in the check out lane.

Afrocity -

Proves one thing -

TIME and NEWSWEEK are now magazines at the level of PEOPLE or TIGER BEAT.

-S-

850 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:47:00pm

re: #849 Dr. Shalit

Afrocity -

Proves one thing -

TIME and NEWSWEEK are now magazines at the level of PEOPLE or TIGER BEAT.

-S-

I read NEWSWEEK for the nation's most complete BDS coverage.

851 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #849 Dr. Shalit

Afrocity -

Proves one thing -

TIME and NEWSWEEK are now magazines at the level of PEOPLE or TIGER BEAT.

-S-

But oddly enough, Obama lets BET and Ebony into a press conference which IMO is not necessary. These are not credible press people.

852 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:48:54pm

re: #850 OldLineTexan

I will be in Austin later this summer.

853 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:50:31pm

re: #819 Charles

Jimmah: I noticed that you got some flak for pointing out that 'goddessoftheclassroom' was posting comments at the stalker blog, so I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the heads-up.

I want to know if a someone with an LGF account is posting comments at a blog run by psychos -- it means they cannot be trusted and their accounts should be blocked.

For example -- zombie trusted ChenZhen to post at his LGF Dictionary site, and that creep proceeded to deface the site, and give his login info to other creeps.

When a lizard goes rogue, please let me know.

Jimmah took some shit for point this out..Turns out he was right on..
Thank you dude...The shock kicked my ass..She never said goodbye..
So I said fuck it..You can't say goodbye then fuck it..I'm going to where you ran too and saying goodbye to you...
Since then..I have been ripped by thse posters..including posts from over 5k ago..Trying to hurt me...kick my butt. I'm sorry..I had the balls to go to the den of snakes and say goodbye..Cause goddess didn't give us a courtesy to say goodbye..
There are alot of post there saying I'll be banned from going here to say goodbye for the last time..
No I won't you little fucks...You still don't get it do you?
I ran into iamtoast last month on another blog crying that Charles banned him for no reason at all..I was just rubbing my dogs belly and Charles banned me..
I got into a running war all night saying..You are a fucking liar..
I hate fucking liars...You break the rules..Fuck you..Stop crying on the Internet that you were just rubbing your dogs belly and for some unknown reason Charles banned me..
You got banned for a damn good reason...
You feeling me LGF2?

854 hazzyday  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:50:57pm

re: #845 rain of lead

gotc gone rogue?
aww crap, this world really is going to hell :-(

Best of luck to GoTC. It's not really surprising though. She mentioned discomfort several times. I think she is looking for community and her identity is gotc. I looked at LGF2 and I wouldn't consider it the healthiest posting environment. My perception of GoTC is that she is finely sensitive. My perception of LGF2 is gross mockery. The honeymoon won't last.

She was offended by a few things here, that pale in comparison to some things at LGF2.

855 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:51:22pm

A good one from Edmund Standing at Harry's Place:

The BNP hasn’t changed at all

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Video shows BNP leader explicitly setting forth the strategy of what could be called 'fascist taqiyya' at a meeting of American racists including David Duke.

856 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:51:40pm

re: #840 Afrocity

Still, I am confronted by an Obama's face where ever I go. It just means one more magazine cover sticking in my face when I am in the check out lane.

Yeah, even up here in Canada I am faced with his visage. From shirts, buttons, to posters. Gah, the guy isn't even the leader of MY country.

857 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:46pm

re: #852 Afrocity

I will be in Austin later this summer.

Good, excellent! Come on down. Do your bit to keep it weird, wontcha?

(If you're really lucky, you might get to meet Leslie, an insane but otherwise good guy.

858 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:52:46pm

re: #848 Afrocity

Saw the date you posted. :(

Unfortunately I have plans that weekend. Doing a reunion for my old unit. I think that's kind of more important.

859 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:53:17pm
860 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:53:17pm

re: #853 HoosierHoops

I thought goddess prayed for lizards? She prayed for me during my surgery.

861 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:53:46pm

re: #854 hazzyday

Yeah- she's in for a rude awakening.

862 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:54:08pm

re: #860 Afrocity

I thought goddess prayed for lizards? She prayed for me during my surgery.

Now she prays for people who hate LGFers.

863 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #858 BlueCanuck

That date is not set in stone. It was just a suggestion.

864 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:55:04pm

re: #852 Afrocity

I will be in Austin later this summer.

Pretty, but hot. If you have time to tour, check out the nearby state parks, especially Pedernales Falls (I hope I spelled that right).

865 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:55:45pm

re: #769 Naso Tang

I thought maybe I'd get lucky getting an answer for those questions about evolution here. I guess if I'm serious I'd start by browsing around Scientific American... and yes I wish I didn't now have 'lazy' on my permanent record...

866 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:56:06pm

re: #859 buzzsawmonkey

In an earlier era, it was customary for a black man to take the "clown" job in the dunk tank. This played on the more overtly expressed racism of the time, on both sides; the black man got to insult whites with some impunity and make a pretty penny doing it, and the whites got to express their animosity towards an "uppity n*gger"--while playing to the nasty stereotype of blacks as "dirty" by "giving him a bath."

And some name dropping, but a lot of the people in that Bussy movie "carney" are/were friends of mine. The carnival lot was set up in Bradenton (sp?) Florida. All the side show people in that movie are people I knew back in my carny days.

867 Zimriel  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:56:23pm

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

This is also true of jihadists. That was what Muhammad Atta was into.

Doctors, too. Generally people in the "applied" science and mathematics fields get drawn into fundamentalisms.

868 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:56:39pm

re: #864 OldLineTexan

Pretty, but hot. If you have time to tour, check out the nearby state parks, especially Pedernales Falls (I hope I spelled that right).

Yep, Pedernales is nice, but downtown can be fun, in a limited sorta way.

And yeah, it'll be hot as hell, humid as a fat man's armpit, and buggy like nobody's business.

869 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #864 OldLineTexan

Is that where the stream falls into the fallen cave? Hamilton pool?

870 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:48pm

re: #867 Zimriel

This is also true of jihadists. That was what Muhammad Atta was into.

Doctors, too. Generally people in the "applied" science and mathematics fields get drawn into fundamentalisms.

Oh, holy shit. REALLY? Twenty-five years in the business, hadn't noticed that in all this time.

871 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:58:49pm
872 Zimriel  Thu, May 21, 2009 6:59:41pm

re: #864 OldLineTexan

Pretty, but hot. If you have time to tour, check out the nearby state parks, especially Pedernales Falls (I hope I spelled that right).

Austin's not as hot after dusk, which is when the fun stuff starts anyway.

Natural Bridge Caverns is nice, too. Underground, so not as hot...

873 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:00:01pm

Hamilton pool's in Travis, Pedernales is in Blanco.

If you're in Austin, go on down to Barton Springs, for a nice dip in its chilly but refreshing waters

874 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:00:12pm

re: #869 jaunte

Is that where the stream falls into the fallen cave? Hamilton pool?

No, I am trying to think of the name of that place ... that place is small yet awesome. Pedernales Falls is a pretty big place, but they close down huge chunks of it in dry weather. I also love Lost Maples, but you can't get in during "fall"!

875 Zimriel  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:00:47pm

re: #870 OldLineTexan

Oh, holy shit. REALLY? Twenty-five years in the business, hadn't noticed that in all this time.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not... but I've seen quite a few dogmatists in my field (computer science).

876 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:01:11pm

re: #874 OldLineTexan

I want some Mexican food.

877 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:01:19pm

re: #873 Guanxi88

Barton springs is definitely the solution for 'hot' Austin. 54 degree water.

878 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:02:00pm

re: #874 OldLineTexan

No, I am trying to think of the name of that place ... that place is small yet awesome. Pedernales Falls is a pretty big place, but they close down huge chunks of it in dry weather. I also love Lost Maples, but you can't get in during "fall"!

SHe should go to Fredericksburg - nice little town in the Hills.

879 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #872 Zimriel

Austin's not as hot after dusk, which is when the fun stuff starts anyway.

Natural Bridge Caverns is nice, too. Underground, so not as hot...

Which cave is it that has glass doors to keep in the humidity? Like a guy from Houston needs another steam bath!

880 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:03:00pm

re: #853 HoosierHoops

Thanks hoosierhoops. One thing I would say though is that there is no use going in there and trying to make a point. The one thing they all have in common is a total disregard for the concept of honest discussion. No matter how valid a point you make, no matter how huge a tear you create in their collective ass, their story will always be about how they 'pwned' you.

881 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:03:07pm

re: #875 Zimriel

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not... but I've seen quite a few dogmatists in my field (computer science).

Oh, well, I see. That's not engineering.

/NOW I'm being sarcastic.

882 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:03:15pm

re: #876 Afrocity

I want some Mexican food.

Well, Austin's mostly Tex-Mex, which is a genre unto itself. Serrrano's is a safe bet, but there are a million different opinions. For good, solid food, though, Kerbey Lane is always a place to go. Local food, organic, the whole megillah.

883 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:03:28pm

re: #879 OldLineTexan

Where did that dry air come from this past weekend? We need some more of that.

884 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:03:51pm

re: #877 jaunte

Barton springs is definitely the solution for 'hot' Austin. 54 degree water.

It's good for you, though. Really, very bracing.

885 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:04:07pm

re: #876 Afrocity

I want some Mexican food.

If you want Tex-Mex, your wishes will be granted VERY easily.

886 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:04:41pm

re: #882 Guanxi88

Thanks I just wrote those places down.

887 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:04:55pm

re: #885 OldLineTexan

If you want Tex-Mex, your wishes will be granted VERY easily.

Oh, and when you show up in Austin, you WILL be put in a band. It's in the city code - everybody's in a band. Just to let you know.

888 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:05:47pm

re: #887 Guanxi88

(SxSW clause)

889 Red Pencil  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:06:31pm

re: #842 wii42

Hey I can be super-remarkably silly - it's a gift. But anyway, no I didn't technically know that 'fossil' meant "all stone" - does it? Or does it mean "no-organic". And apparently "no-organic" means "no-DNA". I think I get it now - thanks.

Fossil doesn't mean "all stone" quite as much as it used to... see my
re: #829 Red Pencil

890 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:06:53pm

re: #887 Guanxi88

Oh, and when you show up in Austin, you WILL be put in a band. It's in the city code - everybody's in a band. Just to let you know.

Edie Brickell knows.

891 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:06:57pm

re: #887 Guanxi88

That is fine. I play guitar

892 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:07:09pm

re: #886 Afrocity

Thanks I just wrote those places down.

There's a million others. Matt's El Rancho, on South Lamar - The King of Mexican Food. On the same street, in the very fashionable 78704, there's the Broken Spoke, a bar that warrants a visit, for its role in Texas music history. Actually, you could, on that one street, eat breakfast at Kerbey, cross the street to Matt's for lunch, and then head down about two miles or so to the Broken Spoke for a beer and a dance.

893 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:01pm

re: #885 OldLineTexan

and I want a Whataburger too.

894 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:19pm

re: #871 buzzsawmonkey

In this case, the information was accurate. What if it hadn't been? The rumor/speculation damage would have been done anyway.

If it hadn't been, then gotc (and LGF) would have had a heads up about an extremely convincing impersonation being done of her on a hate site. If someone were doing that with my nick, I'd want to know about it. However, as I said on that thread earlier, I do accept that it might be better to contact Charles by email in future.

895 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:08:26pm

re: #893 Afrocity

and I want a Whataburger too.

Those places are everywhere, and for good reason.

896 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:10:02pm

re: #893 Afrocity

and I want a Whataburger too.

Just to warn you, though: Everybody will tell you how much cooler the old Austin was, before everybody started moving here and ruining it.

Old joke, but true:

How many Austinites to change a lightbulb?

Three. One to replace the bulb, and two others to talk about how cool the old one was.

897 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:10:11pm

re: #895 Guanxi88

My Austin to do list:

1. Whataburger
2. Get some Mexican food
3. Hit Taco Cabana

898 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:11:49pm

re: #897 Afrocity

My Austin to do list:

1. Whataburger
2. Get some Mexican food
3. Hit Taco Cabana

Taco Cabana? You can do a lot better than that, young lady. A lot better. If you're down by Ladybird lake, on South Lamar, head over to Barton Springs Road - visit Vinny's - best Italian in the city, or any one of about a dozen local joints there.

Best burger? We'll, you'll start a fight, but Dan's or Fran's (they used to be married) are the best I've ever had.

899 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:12:44pm

re: #897 Afrocity

My Austin to do list:

1. Whataburger
2. Get some Mexican food
3. Hit Taco Cabana

Use a big truck. Those places are fairly well-built.

/

900 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:13:22pm

Now I am hungry

901 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:14:53pm

re: #889 Red Pencil

I saw that - thanks! And, I guess 'fossil' has enough imprecision such that it doesn't even mean 'no-organic'. Given situations with DNA, I can picture how 'similarity' could be quantified; but I wouldn't know quite how to proceed to establish 'ancestry', for want of a better term (though someone obviously does). Also I wondered how sparse the sample set matrix for DNA comparisons is - apparently very sparse. Anyway, thanks for the link!

902 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:15:19pm

re: #900 Afrocity

Now I am hungry

Oh, and just in case you were wondering, as I was before I moved here: You don't need to know any Spanish to get things done in most places. Everybody speaks some English.

903 Guanxi88  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:17:00pm

re: #897 Afrocity

My Austin to do list:

1. Whataburger
2. Get some Mexican food
3. Hit Taco Cabana

When we were expecting our second child, my wife subsisted largely on their bean and cheese nachos.

904 Afrocity  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:17:13pm

re: #902 Guanxi88

Thanks. Now I am going to get some food...too bad not whataburger

905 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:20:01pm

re: #900 Afrocity


I started getting hungry on the walk back from lunch. I thought about ordering another plate of fried rice when there, but since Deseeded had told me lunch was on him before we met, I didn't want to appear gluttonous and order a lot of food. It was good though, I'll go there again, Another reason I love this city, we have healthy portions at some places here. Chicagoans aren't real big on that coastal 'small portions of food that are art' type dining. I agree with some of Dennis Leary's stand up on this subject. I want the large portions with all the bad stuff that fills one up.

906 BlueCanuck  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:20:24pm

After all that food talk, I am debating on hitting the second floor vending machine. I hope I can hold out till I get home and get some decent food into me.

907 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:20:59pm
908 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:07pm

re: #880 Jimmah

Thanks hoosierhoops. One thing I would say though is that there is no use going in there and trying to make a point. The one thing they all have in common is a total disregard for the concept of honest discussion. No matter how valid a point you make, no matter how huge a tear you create in their collective ass, their story will always be about how they 'pwned' you.

You are very kind..
I will not respond in kind because I posted at LGF2 that I was only there to say goodbye to Goddessoftheclassroom..Flat out honesty...
I promised to only post there once....Period..
I will be true to my stance..I am true to my word...
And all you fucks that quoted me from over 5000 posts ago and trying to crush me..Fuck you too.. I feel you bastards have been petty and bitter all year long..I looked at your sick fucking site..You have logs of me and other lizards chatting about stuff..You know what? We watch you get blown out the trash compactor.. Fuck you! I've always been nice to people unless they crossed the line...Quote this..F U
I always wish my friends and citizens the best of luck..You have pissed me off...Fucking LFG2..Thank the lord it's halftime..I might get pissed off

909 John Neverbend  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:21:24pm

re: #702 Jimmah

"Why is it always engineers?"

Richard Dawkins

Maynard Smith was an engineer.

910 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:25:45pm

re: #907 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz- I think the real damage here is done by back stabbers we thought were friends. Now people might start wondering if they can be friends with other lizards! I understand people will move on, but I think turning to stalkers creates a chilling affect on our community. My stars! How are we to know if that buddy we're chatting with today won't be smearing us tomorrow? That's the real damage done.

911 Digital Display  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:28:21pm

Amen...
I'm off for 4 days .. maybe in a few days I'll be able to explain it

912 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:28:26pm

re: #907 buzzsawmonkey

Look, I am not some sort of careless rumour monger. I've seen Sharmutas, Killgore Trouts and Iron Fists by the plenty on LGF2 in the past, and never mentioned it over here simply because they were all quite obviously piss poor impersonations that wouldn't fool a kid. (although amusingly enough they have a habit of fooling LGF2 posters who often take them for the real thing) In this case, it was clear to me from reading her posts over there that it was indeed gotc. But even suppose I had been wrong, the only lasting damage would in fact have been to my reputation, not gotc's.

In any case, you did see the bit where I said that in future I would email Charles if something like this came up again?

913 quickjustice  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:30:48pm

re: #819 Charles

I didn't know goddess well, but I saw a number of her posts here, including her prayer lists. She seemed a nice, pious lady of whom many lizards were fond. Did she ever mentioned getting abused by a spouse or boyfriend?

I'll confess that I went over to LGF2 and lurked to see if I could spot her. Sure enough, she emerged, prayer list and all. She seemed to be expressing particular admiration for "Wrath of G-d", who seemed to get off on violence. Could it be that darkness (violence) is familiar to her because of past experience (domestic?), and that she missed it?

Stranger things have happened.

914 justdanny  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:31:29pm

I posted some comments at a site called discardedlies recently and all but one of my posts was deleted. Ive been way out of blogitics for a while now. I hope I dont make it onto the dry erase board of suspicion. I'm an old school lizard and did my time on border patrol, volunteered, and kept a few reptile eaters out of the eggs.

I hope there is some failsafe way Charles can see that I'm really me. Despite the time or two when he may have witnessed that I didn't know that I was me. If I hit the powerball lottery this saturday I'll have time to workup a volunteer outer perimeter excursionary force.

I had/have a few tricks up my sleeve. I'm good when I have time.

915 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:32:00pm

re: #913 quickjustice

Yes- her ex-husband got violent. I don't know the details, though she did discuss it in the past here.

916 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:34:11pm

re: #909 John Neverbend

Maynard Smith was an engineer.

Not all engineers are idiots. Especially engineers who are also first rate scientists. But there do seem to be a lot of kooky ones out there.

917 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:39:12pm
918 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:42:25pm
919 John Neverbend  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:42:52pm

re: #700 Walter L. Newton

Doesn't make sense, does it. So, if they generated 4 times as much normal responses, then it's all proportional, a normal amount of responses would still be in favor of evolution.

It makes sense if the "normal response" to one of their surveys is a small number of people, and also that there was no large-scale response from anti-evolution sites. I doubt if the latter was true, so I would take the results as they are. Of course, "they" won't, because "they" are never wrong.

920 Aye Pod  Thu, May 21, 2009 7:58:44pm

re: #917 buzzsawmonkey

But gossip about it in their absence?

Gossip? If you accept that my intentions were good, as you seemed to suggest earlier, why are you using language that suggests the opposite?

Publicly raising questions about someone's appearance, or alleged appearance, on a stalk site when they are not here to respond is not appropriate, in my opinion. You may disagree; if so, you will have to follow your conscience, as I am following mine.

The reason she wasn't here is that she was over there, and had no intention of returning here, as she had already stated on that site by then. I really don't give a shit about minding my p's and q's for backstabbers, buzzsaw. You can try to make me feel bad about that if you want - but it ain't gonna happen.

But, if only to avoid having to deal with this sort of crap again in future, I'll stick to emailing Charles for this sort of thing in future, like I said.

921 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:28:55pm

re: #640 Spenser (with an S)

Didn't say that. There were some jackasses as with any group of people, mostly not the scientists many of whom were Christian, these are professional athiests I'm talking about who saw an opportunity.

Why should someone's religion have any bearing on the evidence they present? And if you only accept evidence from people whose beliefs are similar to your own, aren't you pretty much rigging the argument in your favor?

922 Achilles Tang  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:32:22pm

re: #865 wii42

I thought maybe I'd get lucky getting an answer for those questions about evolution here. I guess if I'm serious I'd start by browsing around Scientific American... and yes I wish I didn't now have 'lazy' on my permanent record...

We all put our foot where it shouldn't be sometimes. Hang in there. Check the sidebar for references, and SciAm.com is good too.

923 wii42  Thu, May 21, 2009 8:58:11pm

re: #922 Naso Tangre: #922 Naso Tang

We all put our foot where it shouldn't be sometimes. Hang in there. Check the sidebar for references, and SciAm.com is good too.

Since I've already copped to 'lazy', maybe you already know this:

Since DNA isn't currently available, what would you say the main mechanism is for establishing that, for example, this fossil is an ancestor of that fossil. There's the relative ages of the fossils, obviously, but there's a pretty large tolerance band there. Beyond age, is it mainly bone structure? That seems so potentially imprecise - not that I'm disputing the overall big picture.

Just wondering. TIA for anything.

924 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:02:34pm
925 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:47:24pm

re: #924 pewboy

You people really seem to think you can just keep re-registering, and posting your nasty comments. Surprise!

Another sock puppet bites the dust.

926 Pygmalienation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:49:49pm

re: #898 Guanxi88
Some more suggestions...
Dirty's on Guadalupe St. (The Drag), just north of campus-- now that's a burger!
The Dan's/Fran's burger is pretty good, as is Hill-Berts further north on Guadalupe.
Mexican food: Arrodondos on the I-35 Feeder road around 38 1/2 St.
Carry on
(sorry, lived in Austin most of my life...)

927 Captain Cool  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:47:19pm

The trouble with this question is that Apes are a paraphyletic category meaning our ancestors are considered Apes but we are not. Chimpanzees are more closely related to Humans than to Gorillas.

928 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:51:50am

re: #923 wii42

re: #922 Naso Tang

Since I've already copped to 'lazy', maybe you already know this:

Since DNA isn't currently available, what would you say the main mechanism is for establishing that, for example, this fossil is an ancestor of that fossil. There's the relative ages of the fossils, obviously, but there's a pretty large tolerance band there. Beyond age, is it mainly bone structure? That seems so potentially imprecise - not that I'm disputing the overall big picture.

Just wondering. TIA for anything.

See "Comparative Anatomy."

929 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:41:21am

re: #716 Charles

It is weird, isn't it. I've noticed it at LGF too -- engineers who are creationists.

Engineers take very little biology; a single semester is typically enough to satisfy their requirements, and an introductory, overview course in biology spends pretty much all of it's time covering very basic stuff - an explanation of binomial nomenclature, broad overviews of fundamental animal and plant parts, an introduction to very basic laboratory techniques and so forth. Evolution is certainly covered, but not in any depth - like everything else, a very broad outline is presented rather quickly. Evolution doesn't really come into play until later courses, particularly courses in classification and comparative anatomy, where it is profoundly significant and evident.

But engineering students never need to take those courses. Their science and mathematics courses are much more focused on physics and calculus, and higher-level coursework shifts over into the specifics of everyday life - properties of materials, static and dynamic analysis of structures, circuit design...the list goes on, and varies depending on the precise focus of the student, but biology is left far behind quickly.

People tend to remark on it when an engineer starts spouting creationism because they're alledgedly sciencey and therefore are supposed to know about such things. In real life, they take no more biology than any other college graduate, and the sciences they concentrate in have little or no bearing on the topic of evolution.

Disturbing when they spout off, but not altogether surprising.

930 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:45:56am

re: #300 Gus 802


Some more crazy comments from Ken Ham's page:
...
Someone is "spiking" this poll. 80% said the DID believe they were monkey bi-product. They might be...
...

Gotta love it when the first thing a self-professed Christian reaches for is an attempt to classify their opponents as non-human.

931 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:48:05am

re: #629 brownmear

Well I will try again. God created earth. The End. If he is omnipotent, he could have created it 4 minutes ago. I was born with memories in a world with evidence that it existed for 100,000 years. If you believe there is a God, this is possible. If you don't believe in a God, all of this evidence argues against a book written by men.

The earth has been around for 4.6 billion years, and the universe has been around for 13.7 billion. To believe against all the empirical evidence that the earth and universe are only a few thousand years old and that God made it in such a way as to suggest otherwise is to embrace a malevolently lying God who fabricated false evidence in our soil, genes and cosmos that would cause us to place our souls at risk of hellfire and damnation by doubting his holy scriptures.

It makes much more sense that ancient biblical authors who did not know nearly as much as we do today got a lot of things empirically wrong; things like the ages of the earth and the universe and the ancient common ancestry sources of evolutionarily divergent terrestrial species.

How much does this affect my real life? Not at all. I will still be an engineer and continue to collect a good salary. I can quit tomorrow and find a new job that will probably pay more. Evolution or creation, explain to me, a believer in creation, how it would ever effect my life, one way or the other.

You wouldn't be able to say this if your choice of field were in the biosciences or in astronomy or geology.

It won't, I am still an engineer in demand. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter what way you teach your children. They will eventually reach their own conclusions. There is a good chance that whatever you teach them they will reach the opposite conclusion. I am the poster child for believing everything my parents do not believe.

In your case, that would be a good thing for your children.

So continue the crusade, my children are intelligent, I will expose them to all theories, they will choose without me. Tell them their dad is an idiot and they have to believe like you because?

Of overwhelming empirical evidence. It's not a matter of belief when the evidnce supports it; it's a matter of knowledge.

932 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:05:08am

re: #823 brownmear

You realize that those pushing creationism think you're going to Hell for accepting evolution even though you also believe in God?

I never think about other people's interpretation. I probably would have gone to hell according to my mother, a good Catholic. I hate people that try to categorize me because I say I am Catholic raised.

I do not care what other people think. It never enters my thinking. If you want to shape your opinion around what people think, become a politician. If you want to live with yourself, just do what is right. I always do what I think is right. Sometimes it costs me, but if it is right it is right.

Stop that whole what other people say, what does your heart say? Do what you should, it will work out for you, and the hell with everyone else!

The heart unleavened by the mind can easily lead one astray, as the most vile stances can be passionately believed in. Emotional p[ositions embraced in the absence of intellection and in the face of empirical evidence can be dangerous, intolerant, cruel and wrong; racists, sexists, homophobes and religious bigots are cases in point.

933 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:38:55am

re: #629 brownmear

Well I will try again. God created earth. The End. If he is omnipotent, he could have created it 4 minutes ago. I was born with memories in a world with evidence that it existed for 100,000 years. If you believe there is a God, this is possible.

I see. The "God is a Perverse Lying Prick Deliberately Falsifying His Own Creation" model.

Most people would agree that this dodge creates far more problems than it seems to solve, on both the scientific and the theological fronts.

934 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:42:31am
Stop that whole what other people say, what does your heart say?

God gave everyone a brain to use, too. It's not just there as a tasty, high-cholesterol snack for other carnivores.

Asking people to set aside or ignore the very thing that truly distinguises humans from the rest of nature - their intellect - is not a good strategy.

935 wii42  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:43:20am

re: #928 SixDegrees

Yes, that's what I meant by "bone structure" - "comparative anatomy" - thanks for the right term.

936 bodrules  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:41:25am

re: #925 Charles

Another sock puppet bites the dust.

Disappears in the washing machine you mean....

937 wii42  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:51:17am

re: #928 SixDegrees
This - Cladistics - looks interesting.

Cladistics, from the ancient Greek κλάδος, klados, "branch", is the hierarchical classification of species based on phylogeny or evolutionary ancestry. The term phylogenetics is often used synonymously with cladistics. Cladistics is distinguished from other taxonomic systems because it focuses on the evolutionary relationships of species rather than on morphological similarities, which may be convergent, and because it places heavy emphasis on objective, quantitative analysis.

At first blush it looks like it tries to avoid the "touchy-feely" aspects of other taxonomic systems...

938 Land Shark  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:07:18am

I love it! They do a poll on their website and over 75% are supporting evolution.

That's why pushing for I.D. Creationism to be taught in science class is such a total loser for the GOP. They need to get off that shit and back to being fiscal conservatives and pro-small government, as long as their persist with that stuff they aren't even addressing the real issues people are concerned about.

939 Aye Pod  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:49:24am

re: #933 SixDegrees

I see. The "God is a Perverse Lying Prick Deliberately Falsifying His Own Creation" model.

Most people would agree that this dodge creates far more problems than it seems to solve, on both the scientific and the theological fronts.

I thought of an amusing turn around for people who promote the 'liar god' scenario. If you are prepared to accept that God can be that much of a deciever, how do you know it's the world that is the lie? What if it's the bible? Maybe the creator actually doesn't like irrational people who deny facts and evidence and choose to follow might just because of the words in a book? Maybe it's all a big set up to weed out idiotarians,extremists and the morally suspect. Maybe when they warn others about going to hell for example, they're actually booking their own place there?

I don't think the 'liar god' idea is a very smart one from a believers point of view.

940 Yashmak  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:37:18am

re: #929 SixDegrees


People tend to remark on it when an engineer starts spouting creationism because they're alledgedly sciencey and therefore are supposed to know about such things. In real life, they take no more biology than any other college graduate, and the sciences they concentrate in have little or no bearing on the topic of evolution.

Disturbing when they spout off, but not altogether surprising.

As an engineer, I do indeed find it disturbing, AND surprising when those in my profession spout creationism. Engineers exist in a world governed by the physical, not the metaphysical. Their professions depend upon this, nothing is taken on faith, everything must be tested (even if it's already been tested thousands of times before). New ideas and processes are subjected to vigorous investigation prior to being accepted. It is, quite simply, the way we do business. To then turn around and find engineers so eager to buy into a concept for which there is NO evidence, which CANNOT be tested, and is impossible to verify in any way. . .

Frankly I find it shocking.

941 Skinless Frank  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:23:20pm

Too bad, the poll was closed when I got there. Evolution has worked out pretty well for my family, and I was going to wish their descendants the same luck, should they ever take it up.


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