The Fascist Strategy of Entryism

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The leader of the fascist British National Party, Nick Griffin, makes his agenda very clear in this video clip, from a meeting of “white nationalists” in America in 2000. Standing next to Griffin: former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke.

Keep in mind as you watch: this is exactly the same strategy of “entryism” employed by groups like the Vlaams Belang, who are being promoted by the so-called “anti-jihad” bloggers like Pamela Geller of atlasshrugs, Robert Spencer of jihadwatch, the “International Free Press Society,” and “Baron Bodissey” and “Dymphna” at gatesofvienna.

Youtube Video

There’s a difference between selling out your ideas, and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn’t about selling out its ideas … but we are determined now to sell them. And that means basically to use the saleable words. As I say, freedom, security, identity, democracy. Nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas. They are saleable.

Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, “Yes, every last one must go.” Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere. So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.

(Hat tip: Edmund Standing at Harry’s Place.)

UPDATE at 5/21/09 9:07:04 pm:

The Belgian Vlaams Belang group’s “entryism” involves pretending to be pro-Israel. Here’s a post about their deceptions by Belgian native Stephanie Maneles: Paranoia or Persecution? Belgium — a place where it is not only acceptable to hate Jews, it is recommended.

The rise of the right-extremist “Vlaams Belang” political party has caused serious concern among Belgian Jews. Although the party claims to be a friend of the Jewish people, its platform is worryingly similar to that of 1930 Germany.

One of their aims is the “abolition of administrative and educational facilities for French speakers.” Interestingly, Jews are widely known to be among the French speaking population of Flanders.

The party also advocates for “deportation of all immigrants who fail to assimilate” to Flemish culture.

Worst of all, the party advocates for “full and unconditional amnesty for people convicted for collaboration with Nazi Germany after World War II” and the “revocation of anti-racism, anti-Negationism and anti-discrimination legislation on the grounds of free speech.”

Many protesting groups have objected the party’s existence. There have been lawsuits and complaints filed against Vlaams Belang, yet the only thing they have changed over the years is the party’s name.

Terrifyingly, its popularity has slowly but surely grown, allowing the Vlaams Belang to become a prominent member of the Belgian parliament. Since the elections in 1999, the number of votes in favor of the party has doubled. Is the persecution still an illusion?

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202 comments
1 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:00:52pm

And they are coming to a tea party near you.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:01:19pm

Maybe we could get Dick Cheney to give a speech countering him? He seems to be good at countering rhetoric with reality.

3 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:01:39pm
As I say, freedom, security, identity, democracy.

Yeah- and I know exactly what they mean using that word. Damn bigots.

4 Mich-again  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:03:07pm
then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, “Yes, every last one must go.”

It always comes down to mass deportations. At least he didn't waste 5,000 words to get there like his buddy fj*man.

5 Sharmuta  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:03:48pm
freedom, security, identity, democracy.

♪♪ One of these things is not like the others ♪♪

6 jaunte  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:43pm

re: #4 Mich-again

It always comes down to mass deportations.

They might consider having more children instead, but they would first have to get dates.

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:52pm

Entryism. Sounds an awful lot like some of the things going on in "conservative" movements lately.

/but maybe I'm just thinking like a commie liberal loon
//

8 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:06:57pm

Cool. A thread about dinosaurs.

9 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:13pm

Exactly right, and this is why there are Euro forums at stormfront, and why David Duke is in Europe almost as much as the US. A similar speech was also given to a meeting of White Nationalist groups in the US in 2004 by David Duke. CoCC was there among others.

10 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:17pm

Good night all...

Charles, good job as always.

11 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:08:44pm

Sorry to OT this early, but Dick Cheney hit one out of the park today:

For all that we've lost in this conflict, the United States has never lost its moral bearings. And when the moral reckoning turns to the men known as high-value terrorists, I can assure you they were neither innocent nor victims. As for those who asked them questions and got answers: they did the right thing, they made our country safer, and a lot of Americans are alive today because of them.

Like so many others who serve America, they are not the kind to insist on a thank-you. But I will always be grateful to each one of them, and proud to have served with them for a time in the same cause. They, and so many others, have given honorable service to our country through all the difficulties and all the dangers. I will always admire them and wish them well. And I am confident that this nation will never take their work, their dedication, or their achievements, for granted.

Go read the whole thing. It is definitely a keeper.

12 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:10:27pm
purity

Flucking hell.

When I hear the word "(purity/blood/sacrifice)", that's when I reach for my revolver.

/paraphrasing another actual Fascist.

13 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:10:38pm

Said BBC program is still available online.

BNP: under the skin

Complete video is available there. Time is 43:32

14 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:12:59pm

re: #9 Thanos

Exactly right, and this is why there are Euro forums at stormfront, and why David Duke is in Europe almost as much as the US. A similar speech was also given to a meeting of White Nationalist groups in the US in 2004 by David Duke. CoCC was there among others.

No foolin'.

Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen sind geschlossen....

Just a matter of time before that song is sung in public once more. We already know all too well who's singing it in private.

15 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:15:20pm

re: #14 Steffan

No foolin'.

Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen sind geschlossen....

Just a matter of time before that song is sung in public once more. We already know all too well who's singing it in private.

What is that in English?

16 MandyManners  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:16:34pm

Never mind.

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:18:08pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

Good night all...

Charles, good job as always.

WALTER!

18 Miss Molly  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:19:49pm

I wonder where this group gets its financing from or from whom. That might be interesting.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:20:06pm

Dear Mr. Griffin:

I see the light. You are right. As a person of primarily English descent, I must strive for racial identity purity, and eschew all things foreign. To this end I will no longer wear cotton or silk, because they darn sure never grew in England. I will no longer use paper (Chinese) or printing (German) but will chisel out my comments in runes on stone. I hope you don't mind if I send a copy of this on stone, postage due.

I will no longer eat tacos, lasagna, spaghetti, stir fry, pizza, tamales, fajitas, tempura, Mongolian barbecue, or anything French. I will partake only of pure foods, like blood sausage and haggis. I will forgo choc...choco....

Guess What! I have just uncovered proof that chocolate was brought to the Americas by Leif Ericson, so I don't have to give it up!

I would send you a contribution, but I can't figure out how to write a check, as our number system uses zeros, which were the contribution of an Asian.

Lastly, I will have to change my religion, as I have been following one founded by a Jew who lived in the Middle East. Do you know any druid priests? I would prefer one without stacks of a wicker baskets in his garage.

I used to think that mankind was better off sharing the good that other cultures had to contribute, making life better for all, but now I see I was wrong. Thank you, and have some boiled cabbage.

///

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:20:53pm

re: #1 Cato the Elder

And they are coming to a tea party near you.

I'm not sure if you're being snarky. It's very hard for me to tell these days but yes, this is exactly what's happening with the American right with the Tea Parties and the rise of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. The Tea Partiers are making the same deal with the devil that many counter-Jihad bloggers made. The situations are almost completely identical as far as I can see.

21 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:21:49pm
22 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:22:41pm

/Lovely. Just lovely, and so classy!

BNP's Nick Griffin ‘on Queen’s guest list’

It gives 'G-d save the Queen' a whole new meaning.

I hope that it is not true.

23 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:22:46pm

Nick Griffin standing next to David Duke.

Kris ROMAN (VL), Nick GRIFFIN (GB), David DUKE (USA), Guillaume FAYE (FR) & Yann Ber Tillenon, (BZH).

Text includes:

A great speech by David DUKE on Jewish implication in WW1 & WW2, and how they are now, vilifying Russia and want to set us up against each other again.

Nick GRIFFIN was not too soft either whit a special emphasis on why Islamic invasion is the greatest treat to The Europeans, and how a synergy between Russia and Europe is the most suitable solution for our White Race to stop this mortal suicidal importation of foreign blood.

Cached page.

24 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:22:50pm

Remember how many times over the years Fjordman used the words "identity" "tradition" "Culture" here over the years?

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:24:19pm

re: #24 Thanos

They've become uncomfortable buzzwords and it's very difficult to tell who's using them with purpose.

26 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:25:52pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Nowadays they've completely changed stance on Russia. Last year's big EU WN conference was "Euro-Rus" and David Duke spoke there. There's a lot of WN and Russo/Serb pan Orthodoxist groups tied to the WN cause as well.

27 infidel4ever  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:25:54pm

re: #22 NY Nana

/Lovely. Just lovely, and so classy!

BNP's Nick Griffin ‘on Queen’s guest list’

It gives 'G-d save the Queen' a whole new meaning.

I hope that it is not true.

How many Islamic fascists are on the Queen's list?

England is not "in a good place" right now...

28 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:26:24pm

Google: Tea Party Americans Coalition (Stormfront group)
This is exactly what's going on here in this country. I take a severe beating around here for telling you guys the same thing repeatedly.

29 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:26:39pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure if you're being snarky. It's very hard for me to tell these days but yes, this is exactly what's happening with the American right with the Tea Parties and the rise of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan..

Back in election season I liked to say that I thought we should use futuristic technology to make the ultimate ticket:

RoboReagan/Resurrected Cyborg Theodore Roosevelt 2032

At this point, we're going to need Skynet to build us a William F. Buckley-800.

30 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:26:42pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Yes, and that was their intent when they started using them in place of others.

31 [deleted]  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:27:39pm
32 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:28:03pm

re: #26 Thanos

Nowadays they've completely changed stance on Russia. Last year's big EU WN conference was "Euro-Rus" and David Duke spoke there. There's a lot of WN and Russo/Serb pan Orthodoxist groups tied to the WN cause as well.

Right. That was from 2006 so I'll assume that was taken less than 3 year ago. Granted these bastards change sides for political advantage yet there base ideology doesn't change.

33 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:29:11pm

re: #30 Thanos

It's very interesting to read the Stormfront threads on "transitional approaches" to win converts. I really encourage people to understand how ethnic nationalists think. I've seen so many people get sucked in by the tactic.

34 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:29:58pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Bravo! I am 1/4 English...and must think of something kosher.

/Thinking, thinking....I've got it! Schwarma in a pita! Uh, on second thought....

35 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:30:11pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Upding just on GP. That was brilliant.

:)

36 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:31:08pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

It's very interesting to read the Stormfront threads on "transitional approaches" to win converts. I really encourage people to understand how ethnic nationalists think. I've seen so many people get sucked in by the tactic.

You should watch that BBC video. They talked about that "sucked in tactic" which comes in the form of "ethnic liaisons."

37 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:31:31pm

re: #24 Thanos

Remember how many times over the years Fjordman used the words "identity" "tradition" "Culture" here over the years?

Yep.

You really know you're over the target when you start hearing "blood" though... Especially in conjunction with "purity".

My grandmother had a health-food cookbook from the Nazi era. On the first printed page was a printed exhortation, "German Volk, keep your blood pure!"

Blood, soil, purity, all those fun words that stink of Romance, and bring to mind the sights and sounds of guillotines and gas, machine guns and marching.

38 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:32:33pm

I'll bookmark it for later. I'm getting ready to cash in my chips here soon.

39 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:33:21pm

re: #32 Gus 802

Right. That was from 2006 so I'll assume that was taken less than 3 year ago. Granted these bastards change sides for political advantage yet there base ideology doesn't change.

He also spoke there in 2008, the speech is posted at Stormfront.

40 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:33:42pm

re: #22 NY Nana

/Lovely. Just lovely, and so classy!

BNP's Nick Griffin ‘on Queen’s guest list’

It gives 'G-d save the Queen' a whole new meaning.

I hope that it is not true.

Something tells me that the Queen might not be so informal as to invite someone via email. I'd think a hardcopy -- an actual invitation, on paper, possibly calligraphed -- would be the norm.

I would think this news item is suspect, to say the least.

41 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:35:03pm

re: #39 Thanos

He also spoke there in 2008, the speech is posted at Stormfront.

Stormfront. David Duke. Prussian Blue...

BNP

It's amazing that the BNP still exists to this day. They would have been gone in one election cycle in the United States. What is wrong with these people?

42 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:36:11pm

re: #34 NY Nana

Bravo! I am 1/4 English...and must think of something kosher.

/Thinking, thinking....I've got it! Schwarma in a pita! Uh, on second thought....

I don't know if I wanna go there. People eat this stuff?

/

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:36:48pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

People hate learning that they've been duped and played for a fool. It makes them angry, and most would rather deny it than face it. In many cases, rather than focusing that anger on the party that duped them, they aim it at the one who points out their folly.

Shooting the messenger has always been popular with those who prefer denial to truth.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:36:53pm

re: #41 Gus 802

Stormfront. David Duke. Prussian Blue...

BNP

It's amazing that the BNP still exists to this day. They would have been gone in one election cycle in the United States. What is wrong with these people?

Their system is not-winner-take-all, like ours. Winning 3% of the vote here gets you nothing. Winning 3% of the vote their gets your 3% of the seats, and if a coalition has to be formed, you might count for something.

45 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:38:10pm

re: #27 infidel4ever

How many Islamic fascists are on the Queen's list?

England is not "in a good place" right now...

No it is not, and it breaks my heart. As a Jew? I am devastated by what is happening in Londonistan, and knowing how much Prince Charles and his Mum and the family are in the pockets of the sodding Sauds? I said the other day that it is time to evict the royals and their enormous salaries, and turn Buckingham Palace into an estate block, where they could take a flat and pay rent.

It is also time for the Jews to leave, for their own safety. I shall never go back, even if I could, which physically is not possible anymore. I have my memories.

I can dream, can't I?

46 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:38:15pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

It's very interesting to read the Stormfront threads on "transitional approaches" to win converts. I really encourage people to understand how ethnic nationalists think. I've seen so many people get sucked in by the tactic.

It's also important to understand that some of the "Identists" are religous and race Identists. Most of the hard core fundy Melkite and Orthodox are, along with most of the US Dominionists. They aren't directly allied, but they do support each other.

47 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:38:26pm

re: #44 EmmmieG

Their system is not-winner-take-all, like ours. Winning 3% of the vote here gets you nothing. Winning 3% of the vote their gets your 3% of the seats, and if a coalition has to be formed, you might count for something.

Right, thanks.

48 Francisco D'Anconia  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:41:28pm

OT

Hey lizards, trying to remember the video of the ex russian spy who gave an interview talking about how they infiltrated the west. Anyone remember his name? Interview occurred in the 70's I believe.

49 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:41:53pm

The hard right in Europe is trying to get enough members elected to the EU parliament to form another group like the defunct Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty.

50 infidel4ever  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:43:34pm

re: #45 NY Nana

No it is not, and it breaks my heart. As a Jew? I am devastated by what is happening in Londonistan, and knowing how much Prince Charles and his Mum and the family are in the pockets of the sodding Sauds? I said the other day that it is time to evict the royals and their enormous salaries, and turn Buckingham Palace into an estate block, where they could take a flat and pay rent.

It is also time for the Jews to leave, for their own safety. I shall never go back, even if I could, which physically is not possible anymore. I have my memories.

I can dream, can't I?

Europe is full of "leaders" who are selling out their people/electorate. Royals all over Europe are just going with the flow. Just watch them "revert" in the European Caliphate. Anything to stay on top...

51 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:43:35pm

re: #41 Gus 802

Stormfront. David Duke. Prussian Blue...

BNP

It's amazing that the BNP still exists to this day. They would have been gone in one election cycle in the United States. What is wrong with these people?

This might actually be the British political system at work. They don't actually trivialize or marginalize their fringies -- they give them an equal voice. This tends to work against them from time to time -- such as now, when BNP has a much larger voice than they would have in a more rational system.

They think it's a strength. We think it's a weakness.

You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.....

52 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:43:51pm

Name: Andy McLorie

Position: Regional organiser for Ulster
1986 - Sentenced to two years in jail following a petrol bomb attack on the home of an RUC officer.
1980s - The National Front Ulster organiser.

53 pegcity  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:48:14pm

Europe is a sad weird place, Fascism seems to come very naturally

54 Randall Gross  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:48:42pm

Here's what I was thinking of earlier: The New Orleans Protocol

55 the phantom  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:50:29pm

re: #48 Francisco D'Anconia

Yuri Bezmenov

56 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:53:27pm

re: #45 NY Nana

No it is not, and it breaks my heart. As a Jew? I am devastated by what is happening in Londonistan, and knowing how much Prince Charles and his Mum and the family are in the pockets of the sodding Sauds? I said the other day that it is time to evict the royals and their enormous salaries, and turn Buckingham Palace into an estate block, where they could take a flat and pay rent.

It is also time for the Jews to leave, for their own safety. I shall never go back, even if I could, which physically is not possible anymore. I have my memories.

I can dream, can't I?

Absolutely, you can dream.

We can also dream of 65 years ago, when being British actually meant something reasonably noble.

Granted that the Queen has no real secular power, she still should have managed to maintain the spiritual power that her father had at that time.

I don't have a lot of hope for the British in the next few years. Considering how much I like them on a personal level (every Briton I've met has been a true friend), I consider this a true tragedy.

57 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:55:19pm

Name: Tony Lecomber

Position: BNP Group Development Organiser, and branch organiser for Redbridge

1980s - Two convictions for criminal damage.

1985 - Convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act.

1991 - Sentenced to three years' imprisonment for an attack on a Jewish teacher.

Involved in fascist politics since the early eighties.

Ex-member of the National Front and the New National Front. Inaugural member of the BNP.

Previously edited the journal Young Nationalist, a heavily racist and anti-Semitic magazine.

He finally left his advisory position with BNP "In 2006 Lecomber was sacked from his position as Group Development Officer after being found out trying to hire a hitman to murder a leading politician."

58 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:56:10pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Name: Tony Lecomber

Position: BNP Group Development Organiser, and branch organiser for Redbridge

1980s - Two convictions for criminal damage.

1985 - Convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act.

1991 - Sentenced to three years' imprisonment for an attack on a Jewish teacher.

Involved in fascist politics since the early eighties.

Ex-member of the National Front and the New National Front. Inaugural member of the BNP.

Previously edited the journal Young Nationalist, a heavily racist and anti-Semitic magazine.

He finally left his advisory position with BNP "In 2006 Lecomber was sacked from his position as Group Development Officer after being found out trying to hire a hitman to murder a leading politician."

Well, "Chief Thug" would not have looked so pretty on a business card.

Well,

59 Francisco D'Anconia  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:57:32pm

re: #55 the phantom

thank you. the lizard army is awesome

60 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:57:50pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

Well, "Chief Thug" would not have looked so pretty on a business card.

Well,

There's more as well. And many of them are still with the BNP.

61 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:58:19pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Google: Tea Party Americans Coalition (Stormfront group)
This is exactly what's going on here in this country. I take a severe beating around here for telling you guys the same thing repeatedly.

From the banner at Harry's Place: "Liberty, if it means anything, means the right to tell people what they don't want to hear"

62 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:59:05pm

re: #45 NY Nana

No it is not, and it breaks my heart. As a Jew? I am devastated by what is happening in Londonistan, and knowing how much Prince Charles and his Mum and the family are in the pockets of the sodding Sauds? I said the other day that it is time to evict the royals and their enormous salaries, and turn Buckingham Palace into an estate block, where they could take a flat and pay rent.

It is also time for the Jews to leave, for their own safety. I shall never go back, even if I could, which physically is not possible anymore. I have my memories.

I can dream, can't I?

My dream would be that they get another Churchill.

63 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 9:59:40pm

re: #50 infidel4ever

Europe is full of "leaders" who are selling out their people/electorate. Royals all over Europe are just going with the flow. Just watch them "revert" in the European Caliphate. Anything to stay on top...

I agree, and when the Brits finally smell the tea? It will be in Eurabia.

64 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:01:56pm

re: #62 Pvt Bin Jammin

0bama gave them back the bronze bust of the original one.

65 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:02:45pm

re: #62 Pvt Bin Jammin

My dream would be that they get another Churchill.

That would be most unlikely. Leaders like Churchill (or even FDR) are very rare and many crises must be faced without a great leader. We cannot expect heroes to save us, we must save ourselves.

On a related note: Do these BNP assholes have any Ron Paul connections. A friend of mine has some misplaced admiration for Luap Nor and I need to start amassing evidence to get him clear of the Paulist smog.

66 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:04:06pm

re: #64 Fenway_Nation

0bama gave them back the bronze bust of the original one.

You would not believe how disgusted I was by that.

67 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:04:14pm

The only good thing about the BNP is the fact that they are as dumb as a bag of hammers. Their sneak skills, as this video shows, are pathetic.

"Here on this video, which will be broadcast all over the world for years to come, we reveal our super-secret plan to trick everyone into thinking we arent really racists anymore. It is a very clever and completely foolproof plan...."/

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:05:30pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

That would be most unlikely. Leaders like Churchill (or even FDR) are very rare and many crises must be faced without a great leader. We cannot expect heroes to save us, we must save ourselves.

On a related note: Do these BNP assholes have any Ron Paul connections. A friend of mine has some misplaced admiration for Luap Nor and I need to start amassing evidence to get him clear of the Paulist smog.

IIRC David Duke is a Ron Paul fan. He might have BNP connections as well.

69 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:05:51pm

re: #62 Pvt Bin Jammin

My dream would be that they get another Churchill.

Oh, Pvt Bin Jammin, that is my dream also.

But I think that he was one of a kind.

Look at the scandals now in Parliament re the MP's, both Labour and Tory, and the PM, Brown? He is an a*hole, but then he is Labour. Both he and Tony Blair really should be taken to Court for what they did.

70 abolitionist  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:05:54pm

re: #48 Francisco D'Anconia

OT

Hey lizards, trying to remember the video of the ex russian spy who gave an interview talking about how they infiltrated the west. Anyone remember his name? Interview occurred in the 70's I believe.

Yuri Bezmenov. He published a Love Letter to America under the pseudonym Thomas Schuman.

Yuri Bezmenov (Thomas Schuman), L.A. 1983 pt. III

YouTube - Playlist Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press (1984)

71 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:05:55pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

That would be most unlikely. Leaders like Churchill (or even FDR) are very rare and many crises must be faced without a great leader. We cannot expect heroes to save us, we must save ourselves.

On a related note: Do these BNP assholes have any Ron Paul connections. A friend of mine has some misplaced admiration for Luap Nor and I need to start amassing evidence to get him clear of the Paulist smog.

Try looking here. "ron paul" site:bnp.org.uk

Just some mention it looks like.

72 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:06:15pm

re: #67 Jimmah

The only good thing about the BNP is the fact that they are as dumb as a bag of hammers. Their sneak skills, as this video shows, are pathetic.

"Here on this video, which will be broadcast all over the world for years to come, we reveal our super-secret plan to trick everyone into thinking we arent really racists anymore. It is a very clever and completely foolproof plan...."/

Reminds me of Dr. Evil.

73 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:07:27pm

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

It was a very classless gesture that was telling of this administration's conduct on foreign policy (middle finger to our allies, unclenched fists to our enemies).

Even more telling was the MSM spin....apparently Churchill ordered the wholesale slaughter of 0bama's father's tribe in Kenya back in the colonial days or some shit.

74 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:07:39pm

re: #71 Gus 802

Try looking here. "ron paul" site:bnp.org.uk

Just some mention it looks like.

Thank you. That should help. Friends shouldn't let friends got hooked on Luap Nor.

75 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:08:32pm

OK, I should warn you that the following is a very outrageous quote made by Nick Griffin in 1998:

“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lamp shades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter witch-hysteria.”

More here.

76 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:09:15pm

This man is disgusting.

77 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:09:21pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

That would be most unlikely. Leaders like Churchill (or even FDR) are very rare and many crises must be faced without a great leader. We cannot expect heroes to save us, we must save ourselves.

On a related note: Do these BNP assholes have any Ron Paul connections. A friend of mine has some misplaced admiration for Luap Nor and I need to start amassing evidence to get him clear of the Paulist smog.

Show him the connections to Lew Rockwell and those racist newsletters he put out for Luap Nor. Mention Luap Nor appearing voluntarily on talk shows that promote white supremacists and taking money from them during the campaign (and not giving it back when he was called on it). I know Charles has the links for these on a hair trigger if you cant find them in a search.

78 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:09:48pm

re: #31 Steffan

Horst Wessel was an SA goon who was killed by a Communist activist. Goebbels manufactured him into a martyr.

His song, and others whose filthy anti-Semitic lyrics I will not dignify with quotations, are still sung in some German Dorfkneipen (village pubs) when no Ausländer (foreigners, lit. "outlanders") are present. I know because I can "pass" for German and have heard them.

The Germans have a saying: Wehret den Anfängen! Roughly: Nip it in the bud!

We are at a bud-nipping juncture today.

79 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:10:12pm

re: #69 NY Nana

Oh, Pvt Bin Jammin, that is my dream also.

But I think that he was one of a kind.

Look at the scandals now in Parliament re the MP's, both Labour and Tory, and the PM, Brown? He is an a*hole, but then he is Labour. Both he and Tony Blair really should be taken to Court for what they did.

"The Daily Telegraph says Mr Luff claimed £17,000 to pay for items including three lavatory seats, three food mixers, two microwaves, and 10 sets of bed linen for his country house and London flat."

They must have been those toilet seats that automatically wash you off and blow you dry. ;-)

80 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:10:36pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure if you're being snarky. It's very hard for me to tell these days but yes, this is exactly what's happening with the American right with the Tea Parties and the rise of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. The Tea Partiers are making the same deal with the devil that many counter-Jihad bloggers made. The situations are almost completely identical as far as I can see.

I was being dead serious.

81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:11:11pm

re: #75 Gus 802

OK, I should warn you that the following is a very outrageous quote made by Nick Griffin in 1998:

More here.

Lovely. Pity he wasn't born a few decades earlier. He and Oswald Mosby would have been great friends. As for me? I hate English Nazis!

82 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:11:40pm

Here's Edmund Standing's own blog - just fresh off the presses this week. He links to LGF in his blogroll, which is nice.

Pro British, Anti Extremist

83 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:13:02pm

re: #76 Gus 802

Please do not insult real men. He is sub-human, actually.

84 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:13:35pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Lovely. Pity he wasn't born a few decades earlier. He and Oswald Mosby would have been great friends. As for me? I hate English Nazis!

A quote from Mr. Griffin of the BNP:

There is a strong, direct link from Oswald Mosley to me.

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:13:42pm

re: #77 ArchangelMichael

Show him the connections to Lew Rockwell and those racist newsletters he put out for Luap Nor. Mention Luap Nor appearing voluntarily on talk shows that promote white supremacists and taking money from them during the campaign (and not giving it back when he was called on it). I know Charles has the links for these on a hair trigger if you cant find them in a search.

Thank you. I've favorited your post and I will use your info as well.

86 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:14:05pm

Ok folks, time I crashed. Have a good one:)

87 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:14:44pm

re: #62 Pvt Bin Jammin

My dream would be that they get another Churchill.

That, unfortunately, might never happen.

You may recall that Churchill didn't come into power until the British populace decided Chamberlain couldn't cut it. They'd seen Churchill before, in WWI, and didn't particularly care for him (he was First Lord of the Admiralty, for a time).

It wasn't until Chamberlain bit the wax tadpole that the Brits were interested in Churchill. And he was replaced before the war was over.

He was restored to power once or twice before his death, but it was relatively grudging. The voters didn't seem to trust him all that much.

More loss them, but what do we know?

88 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:15:15pm
89 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:15:29pm

re: #82 Jimmah

Excellent blog. Thanks!

90 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:15:32pm

re: #83 NY Nana

Please do not insult real men. He is sub-human, actually.

No, Nana we should never sink to that bastards level by using his terms. All people are people. Period. He is a person who has chosen to turn his back on his nations traditions and embrace tyranny.

91 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:15:40pm

Here is a blog that kept an eye on the BNP. Looks like the last entry is Feb 08 but there are a lot of links to Nazis & BNP there.

Alas Smith and Graham

92 NY Nana  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:17:58pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

My bad. You are right.

93 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:18:31pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

His song, and others whose filthy anti-Semitic lyrics I will not dignify with quotations, are still sung in some German Dorfkneipen (village pubs) when no Ausländer (foreigners, lit. "outlanders") are present. I know because I can "pass" for German and have heard them.

The Germans have a saying: Wehret den Anfängen! Roughly: Nip it in the bud!

We are at a bud-nipping juncture today.

I should frickin'-well hope so.

If I can help, let me know.

94 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:18:34pm

re: #71 Gus 802

Nice find. There's a lot going on that we haven't even begun to understand.

95 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:18:48pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Lovely. Pity he wasn't born a few decades earlier. He and Oswald Mosby would have been great friends. As for me? I hate English Nazis!

It's possible that Griffin and Mosley did know each other. Griffin was born in 1959 and has been active in far right politics since he was 15. Mosley did not die and go to hell until 1980. It will surprise noone here that he was an outspoken advocate of the Palestinian "cause" late in life.

96 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:19:38pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Luckily none of my real "friend-friends" are Luap Nor cultists (so far)... just some kneejerk Obamunists (who all seem to swear up and down that they are "independents" or "libertarians") and a few on the right who might be slipping into Luap Nor land via nirtherism or Tea parties so I keep an eye on them. They are the kind who would be turned off by his foreign policy stances alone though, so hopefully I'll never have to whip out the nazi crap.

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:19:57pm

re: #82 Jimmah

Here's Edmund Standing's own blog - just fresh off the presses this week. He links to LGF in his blogroll, which is nice.

Pro British, Anti Extremist

Money quote from that blog:

During the Second World War, we locked up members of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists because they showed sympathy for the Nazi enemy. British Jihadists clearly show sympathy for Al-Qaeda so we should lock them up as well. It's time for the PC 'human rights' obsessed crowd to stop defending religious fascists and to start defending civilisation.

98 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:20:39pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

For what it's worth, some of my 0bama-brand Kool Aid drinking kinfolk and former co-workers were adamant that I vote for Ron Paul in leiu of McCain/Palin- even if I had to write it in.

They knew that he was a paleocon with racist connections, but even with the MSM completely in the bag for Hussein Dolt, they were worried that I'd vote McCain/Palin and make it closer than neccesary. They also thought I was stupid enough to vote for a isolationist paleocon who's foreign policy was basically Code Pink in drag because he had an (R) next to his name.

It's very telling that the 0bamatons I knew were trying oh-so-hard to get me to invest in Ron Paul.

99 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:20:53pm

re: #80 Cato the Elder

It's very hard to tell these days. A lot of people don't use sarc tags and many others are confused.

Cheers.

100 zuckerlilly  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:21:05pm

re: #31 Steffan

Steffan,

are you nuts posting the HWL? Do you want to bring Charles into troubles?

101 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:23:41pm

re: #96 ArchangelMichael

Luckily none of my real "friend-friends" are Luap Nor cultists (so far)... just some kneejerk Obamunists (who all seem to swear up and down that they are "independents" or "libertarians") and a few on the right who might be slipping into Luap Nor land via nirtherism or Tea parties so I keep an eye on them. They are the kind who would be turned off by his foreign policy stances alone though, so hopefully I'll never have to whip out the nazi crap.

My friend isn't a cultist and won't likely become one, but I don't like to take chances. Proper controlled exposure to Ron Paul's propblems should help my friends see LP for the dirtbag he is.

102 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:24:11pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

That was nuked from orbit.

103 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:25:47pm

I'm too upset to sleep.

Anyone have anything soothing to say?

104 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:27:43pm

re: #103 Dianna

I'm too upset to sleep.

Anyone have anything soothing to say?

STS-125 is due to land tomorrow.

105 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:27:46pm

re: #96 ArchangelMichael

They are the kind who would be turned off by his foreign policy stances alone though, so hopefully I'll never have to whip out the nazi crap.

That was my first exposure to Paul....at some GOP debate where he referred to 9/11 as 'blowback' for US foreign policy. He then got some richly-deserved 'blowback' from Rudy for his Chomsky-esque answer.

106 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:28:07pm

Go bugs!

107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:28:15pm

re: #103 Dianna

I'm too upset to sleep.

Anyone have anything soothing to say?

Hold the line, Obama isn't a strong as he appears. If we hold the line by fighting for sane spending, we can do CBBHO great damage. Does that help?

108 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:29:04pm

re: #104 Gus 802

STS-125 is due to land tomorrow.

Cool.

Er...what STS-125?

109 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:29:27pm

re: #108 Dianna

Cool.

Er...what STS-125?

The Shuttle.

110 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:30:01pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Hold the line, Obama isn't a strong as he appears. If we hold the line by fighting for sane spending, we can do CBBHO great damage. Does that help?

Not this exact instant, but taken over time, I'm sure it will be.

111 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:30:26pm

re: #109 Gus 802

The Shuttle.

Argh!

OK, I'm an idiot. Thanks.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:30:30pm

re: #103 Dianna

Anyone have anything soothing to say?

Lip balm? Calamine lotion?

I sometimes find this music soothing.

113 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:30:38pm

re: #108 Dianna

The Space Shuttle, current mission designation STS-125 (I think it means Space Transportation System).

114 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:30:50pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

Steffan,

are you nuts posting the HWL? Do you want to bring Charles into troubles?

I would hope that my previous posts thinking that the good Nazi is the one who is no longer breathing would be in my favor.

If this does, indeed, cause problems for Charles, I will apologize to him and to all right-thinking Lizards.

My sincere apologies to anyone who may have been offended. I did not intend to offend by that posting.

115 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:31:25pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

Lip balm? Calamine lotion?

I sometimes find this music soothing.

If music played over this system, I'd listen.

Thanks for the thought.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:32:06pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

Charles, delete that post please.

117 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:33:57pm

re: #113 ArchangelMichael

The Space Shuttle, current mission designation STS-125 (I think it means Space Transportation System).

Correct!

And, this is pretty cool. On June 17th the following is going up:

NASA Details Plans for Lunar Exploration Robotic Missions

NASA's return to the moon will get a boost in June with the launch of two satellites that will return a wealth of data about Earth's nearest neighbor. On Thursday, the agency outlined the upcoming missions of the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, or LRO, and the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, or LCROSS. The spacecraft will launch together June 17 aboard an Atlas V rocket from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida.

Which means we should be getting some excellent imaging and data this year.

118 zuckerlilly  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:34:29pm

re: #114 Steffan

Steffan,

sorry for my rude language but I become furious when I see such crap. You know in Austria the song is forbidden.

119 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:35:00pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

I think Charles, like any sensible being, has gone to bed.

120 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:35:36pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

It's very hard to tell these days. A lot of people don't use sarc tags and many others are confused.

Cheers.

Cheers, Killgore.

Maybe it's hubris on my part, but I like to think (and have said many times here) that when I choose sarcasm as a rhetorical weapon, the intended person/ideology/dogma will be able to tell from the gaping flesh-wounds that result.

Of course a lot of people confuse sarcasm (from Gk. sarkazein, lit. "tear flesh") with irony, "expressing something opposite to the surface meaning of one's words" - and chide me for lack of a "sarc tag" when I'm merely being ironic.

If my sarcasm or irony needs a tag, shame on me: I'm not doing my job as a writer, and am happy to explain my plain meaning in plain language.

And with that I bid you all a very sincere and non-flesh-rippy, un-ironic good night.

121 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:36:09pm

re: #103 Dianna

If his speech the other day is any indication, Steele is on his way to rallying the GOP back, which in turn could blunt any further damage from an 0bama White House from 2010 on...

122 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:36:41pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

If his speech the other day is any indication, Steele is on his way to rallying the GOP back, which in turn could blunt any further damage from an 0bama White House from 2010 on...

From your keyboard to the voters' monitors!

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:37:50pm

re: #119 Dianna

What? It's only 10:30 pm out this way.

124 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:37:51pm

re: #114 Steffan

I would hope that my previous posts thinking that the good Nazi is the one who is no longer breathing would be in my favor.

If this does, indeed, cause problems for Charles, I will apologize to him and to all right-thinking Lizards.

My sincere apologies to anyone who may have been offended. I did not intend to offend by that posting.

Understood. I knew why you posted that song, and you weren't badly out of line in context. Charles was right to delete as well though: Taken out of context, it could be used against him. Still, your actions were in the spirit of this blog and so I'd say not to worry about it.

125 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:38:57pm

re: #103 Dianna

I'm too upset to sleep.

Anyone have anything soothing to say?

From the great English mystic Julian of Norwich:

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.

Make cup of warm milk. Drink. Close eyes. Repeat as needed.

Worked for T.S. Eliot, who am I to argue?

126 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:39:35pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

Charles, delete that post please.

Whats wrong with Portishead?

127 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:39:52pm

"The capitalist free traders, the Marxists and organised Jewry have declared war on the white man not just in Britain but in every nation on this planet." - Nick Griffin (January 25th 1997)

128 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:40:19pm

re: #125 Cato the Elder

Make cup of warm milk. Drink. Close eyes. Repeat as needed.

Wait a sec....I may be out of Cuba Libre fixins, but I might have me some White Russian fixins!

129 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:40:20pm

re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth

What? It's only 10:30 pm out this way.

I get up at 5. Dogs need me, and my commute...oh, let's not talk about that.

So not sleeping is a major issue, for me.

130 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:40:30pm

LCROSS - First step back to the Moon

Part of LRO. Launch date set for 06-17-09.

131 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:40:50pm

re: #118 zuckerlilly

Steffan,

sorry for my rude language but I become furious when I see such crap. You know in Austria the song is forbidden.

Not a problem. The Austrian government is very wise in certain things.....

Anything considering their least-favorite constituent (whose initials are AH) are undoubtedly not a popular choice. I can quite understand that.

132 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:41:32pm

re: #125 Cato the Elder

Make cup of warm milk. Drink. Close eyes. Repeat as needed.

Worked for T.S. Eliot, who am I to argue?

Warm milk? That might explain Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats.
;)

133 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:41:52pm

re: #127 NJDhockeyfan

"The capitalist free traders, the Marxists and organised Jewry have declared war on the white man not just in Britain but in every nation on this planet." - Nick Griffin (January 25th 1997)


[Video]

How can anyone consider a protest vote for a man who talks like that?

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:42:14pm

re: #126 ArchangelMichael

It's not the Portishead, nor my response to Dianna, it's something else not obvious. Not sure if it's a good idea point to it directly.

135 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:43:02pm

re: #125 Cato the Elder

From the great English mystic Julian of Norwich:

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.

Make cup of warm milk. Drink. Close eyes. Repeat as needed.

Worked for T.S. Eliot, who am I to argue?

The Wasteland has never contributed to my night. Not even in college, when my ability to recite large sections of it impressed hell out of fellow dorm-dwellers.

136 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:43:52pm

re: #130 Gus 802

I'm actually thinking I might throw some kind of party with a few friends on July 20 to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing (and the 19th anniversary of me having a drivers license.)

137 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:44:20pm

re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth

I get it now... i think...

138 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:44:48pm

re: #136 ArchangelMichael

I'm actually thinking I might throw some kind of party with a few friends on July 20 to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing (and the 19th anniversary of me having a drivers license.)

...and the 40th anniversary of Marilu Henner (Elaine from Taxi) losing her virginity!

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:45:16pm

re: #138 gmsc

...and the 40th anniversary of Marilu Henner (Elaine from Taxi) losing her virginity!

SMACK!

140 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:46:38pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

Hey, if she didn't want anybody to know, she shouldn't have brough it up on her appearance on Bob Costas' talk show.

141 Dianna  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:46:52pm

I'm going to go upstairs and stare at the ceiling. Maybe I'll sleep.

Goodnight!

142 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:46:54pm

re: #140 gmsc

Hey, if she didn't want anybody to know, she shouldn't have brought it up on her appearance on Bob Costas' talk show.

PIMF

143 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:47:08pm

re: #135 Dianna

The Wasteland has never contributed to my night. Not even in college, when my ability to recite large sections of it impressed hell out of fellow dorm-dwellers.

Not the Wasteland, dear. Just the line from Julian.

Or try one from Thomas Traherne, another mystical Brit:

Happiness was not made to be boasted, but enjoyed. Therefore tho others count me miserable, I will not believe them if I know and feel myself to be happy; nor fear them.

Best I can do on short notice...

144 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:47:09pm

re: #141 Dianna

I'm going to go upstairs and stare at the ceiling. Maybe I'll sleep.

Goodnight!

Goodnight, Dianna!

145 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:47:18pm

re: #103 Dianna

The sun will rise on a beautiful day, tomorrow. You are doing good things for your MOM, and it is a job worth doing.
{Dianna}

146 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:48:23pm

Got the vodka, got the Kalhua.....but no milk...

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:48:51pm

Sometimes when I post a link in the threads, or click on a link in the threads, that link replaces the one in my nic. My nic link reverts back to the original when I log out and log back in.

Why is that?

148 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:50:00pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

Magic?

149 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:50:05pm

re: #136 ArchangelMichael

I'm actually thinking I might throw some kind of party with a few friends on July 20 to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing (and the 19th anniversary of me having a drivers license.)

That sounds like a nice plan. Get the landing up on the screen so to speak.

I was riding my bike around the neighborhood when it landed and my father yelled at us when they landed. 40 years sure do go by fast.

One small step for a man on giant leap for mankind.

Armstrong-Aldrin-Collins

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:50:36pm

re: #140 gmsc

Hey, if she didn't want anybody to know, she shouldn't have brough it up on her appearance on Bob Costas' talk show.

True, true. I'm starting to fade so I'm going to turn in. Goodnight all!

151 Steffan  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:51:17pm

re: #138 gmsc

...and the 40th anniversary of Marilu Henner (Elaine from Taxi) losing her virginity!

Well, that's the question we need to ask.

Is the 40th anniversary of Marilu Henner losing her virginity something we need to celebrate?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know!

152 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:53:17pm

re: #149 Gus 802

One small step for a man onE giant leap for mankind.

I'm the Mr. Magoo of the keyboard.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:55:02pm

re: #148 Floral Giraffe

I was thinking blog gremlins.

154 shortshrift  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:56:43pm

re: #44 EmmmieG

I do not believe you are correct. The UK does have a winner-take-all, single-member- per- district, first-past-the-post electoral system.
The BNP does not have a parliamentary seat. It achieved 1 seat in the London Assembly in 2008.

155 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:57:16pm

re: #151 Steffan

Well, that's the question we need to ask.

Is the 40th anniversary of Marilu Henner losing her virginity something we need to celebrate?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know!

Hey, it works for me!
;)

156 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:57:40pm

re: #155 gmsc

Hey, it works for me!
;)

Wassup GMSC?

157 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:58:22pm

re: #149 Gus 802

That sounds like a nice plan. Get the landing up on the screen so to speak.

I can literally get it up on a screen.

I have a 3 DVD set about Apollo 11. Apollo 11 Men on the Moon. I'd link it from Amazon but I don't know how to link items from there to here and do it so LGF gets a referral hit.

158 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 21, 2009 10:58:26pm

Portishead - Sour Times


Namaste, y'all
159 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:00:28pm

re: #156 Gus 802

Wassup GMSC?

Me – partially.
;)

160 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:00:34pm

More Traherne, Dianna.

On his childhood:

All things were spotless and pure and glorious: yea, and infinitely mine, and joyful and precious, I knew not that there were any sins, or complaints or laws. I dreamed not of poverties, contentions or vices. All tears and quarrels were hidden from mine eyes. Everything was at rest, free and immortal. I knew nothing of sickness or death or rents or exaction, either for tribute or bread. In the absence of these I was entertained like an Angel with the works of God in their splendour and glory, I saw all in the peace of Eden; Heaven and Earth did sing my Creator's praises, and could not make more melody to Adam, than to me: All Time was Eternity, and a perpetual Sabbath. Is it not strange, that an infant should be heir of the whole World, and see those mysteries which the books of the learned never unfold? The corn was orient and immortal wheat, which never should be reaped, nor was ever sown. I thought it had stood from everlasting to everlasting. The dust and stones of the street were as precious as gold: the gates were at first the end of the world. The green trees when I saw them first through one of the gates transported and ravished me, their sweetness and unusual beauty made my heart to leap, and almost mad with ecstasy, they were such strange and wonderful things. The Men! O what venerable and reverend creatures did the aged seem! Immortal Cherubims! And young men glittering and sparkling Angels, and maids strange seraphic pieces of life and beauty! Boys and girls tumbling in the street, and playing, were moving jewels. I knew not that they were born or should die; but all things abided eternally as they were in their proper places. Eternity was manifest in the Light of the Day, and something infinite behind everything appeared which talked with my expectation and moved my desire. The city seemed to stand in Eden, or to be built in Heaven. The streets were mine, the temple was mine, the people were mine, their clothes and gold and silver were mine, as much as their sparkling eyes, fair skins and ruddy faces. The skies were mine, and so were the sun and moon and stars, and all the World was mine; and I the only spectator and enjoyer of it. I knew no churlish proprieties, nor bounds, nor divisions: but all proprieties and divisions were mine: all treasures and the possessors of them. So that with much ado I was corrupted, and made to learn the dirty devices of this world. Which now I unlearn, and become, as it were, a little child again that I may enter into the Kingdom of God.

peace
pax
שלום
शान्ति

161 gmsc  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:00:46pm

re: #156 Gus 802

Wassup GMSC?

Wassup wit' you?

162 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:02:08pm

re: #157 ArchangelMichael

I can literally get it up on a screen.

I have a 3 DVD set about Apollo 11. Apollo 11 Men on the Moon. I'd link it from Amazon but I don't know how to link items from there to here and do it so LGF gets a referral hit.

Excellent. I don't know how to link that either. I just took a quick look. You ever read "First Man?" It's a great biography of Neil Armstrong.

163 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:02:34pm

re: #160 Cato the Elder

That is beautiful. Thank you.

164 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:03:35pm

re: #161 gmsc

Wassup wit' you?

Surviving. Some work is coming in but slowly. You know, being that this is far from boom times anymore.

Also recovering from viewing a BBC documentary on the BNP and doing some searches on said group. Mind boggling insanity.

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:04:30pm
166 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:05:38pm

re: #138 gmsc

I remember being a little kid, and visiting Uncle in Florida, who worked at Cape Canaveral, during the Apollo launches. Standing on the parents bed, looking out over the water & wondering why the ground shook, while the rockets went up. I need to look up the dates. It left a lasting impression!

167 Jack Burton  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:10:24pm

re: #162 Gus 802

I'll have to add that to my list. I'm also trying to figure out how to meet Armstrong or Aldrin once before we lose them. I'd love to shake Buzz Aldrin's hand and congratulate him for decking that 'Moon landing was faked' conspiracy moonbat, among other things of course.

168 Gus  Thu, May 21, 2009 11:12:28pm

re: #167 ArchangelMichael

I'll have to add that to my list. I'm also trying to figure out how to meet Armstrong or Aldrin once before we lose them. I'd love to shake Buzz Aldrin's hand and congratulate him for decking that 'Moon landing was faked' conspiracy moonbat, among other things of course.

Aldrin deserves a hug and a couple of rounds for that round. I can't stand those moon hoax freaks. I'm sure there would be a way to locate were they would be speaking next.

169 Jack_ITA  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:24am

Advocating the deportation of any number of people (as long as they are not illegally entering the country) on any ethnic or religious basis is a complete abomination.

170 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:07:59am

and again I will state, I am glad I got the last of my family out of Europe. We saw this nonsense coming years ago.

171 sandbox  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:19:20am

re: #97 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for the link to Edmund Standing's blog.

172 sandbox  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:22:58am

re: #169 Jack_ITA
Well, how about being in favor of denying visa entry to radical islamists--those who support violent jihad or want to institute sharia law in the host country.? And deporting non-citizen radical islamists already here. I support that kind of policy.

173 S'latch  Fri, May 22, 2009 6:24:20am

I don't know the first thing about Flemish culture, but I would bet there isn't much to it and also that it probably is not that very different from Dutch, Belgian, Welsh, or any other European sub-culture. But, I got nothing against Flems. I am sure Flems is good folks.

174 maryatexitzero  Fri, May 22, 2009 6:31:44am

One could probably write a whole book about this, but it would only sell with a more catchy phrase than "Entryism"

If it was called - maybe - "Stealth Fascism" and if it was marketed with a blurb like...

"A silent battle is being waged in Europe everyday. Not with guns and bombs, but via covert sources. People who are justifiably opposed to terrorism and jihad are becoming pawns in a stealth war. Groups like the BNP are advancing the national and ethnic 'purity' agenda not by violence, but through saleable ideas like security and identity, which are designed to acclimate and subject people to ethnic cleansing and authoritarian rule --just the way Hitler and Mussolini wanted it. This silent but lethal movement is advancing. We must resist it--before it's too late."

..it might sell

175 S'latch  Fri, May 22, 2009 6:50:48am

It seems to me that fascism is the wrong word.

Nick Griffin says "So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity."

He is talking about racism. Racism seems to be the offense here. Racism is not the same thing as fascism which seems like a different offense to me.

176 Land Shark  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:00:47am

The white supremacist types can't help themselves. No matter what kind of an act they put on, no matter how much they try to rehabilitate their image, their real colors always come out.

Don't forget these groups hate Jews just about as much as the Islamic radicals and their useful idiots on the Left do. They are trying to put on act of being pro-Israel, it doesn't take much digging to find out that, well, it's an act.

177 maryatexitzero  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:14:07am

re: #175 Lawrence Schmerel

He is talking about racism. Racism seems to be the offense here.

Yes, they're racists who hope to take over the media, make the foreigners 'go', exert stasist control and suppress criticism. That's basic fascism. Griffin says:

Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, “Yes, every last one must go.” Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere.

The BNP is an openly fascist organization that is currently using a marketing campaign to sell their ideology and get votes. Racism is a hard sell lately, so they use the bait and switch of 'identity' to bring the customers in.

178 S'latch  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #177 maryatexitzero

Thanks. Maybe "fascist" isn't the wrong word for a major part of their strategy. They are fascists who would use the power of the state to achieve racist ends. The other part of their strategy is merely a public relations technique of softening a racist message to make it sound more acceptable.

They are fascists and racists. But, those "isms" are two different offenses. Fascism is not necessarily always used to achieve a racist end. Fascism can be used to achieve political purity without regard to racial purity.

179 Achilles Tang  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:27:12am

One can't help but wonder if these guys learned their strategy from the Discovery Institute.

180 Land Shark  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:33:28am

re: #179 Naso Tang

That's a good observation. Both try to pass themselves off as something they're not and use lies and misdirection to fool people as to their real agendas.

181 American Sabra  Fri, May 22, 2009 7:39:13am

re: #45 NY Nana

Who pray tell is NOT in the pockets of the Saudis? George Bush? Dick Cheney?

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:17:33am

re: #37 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yep.

You really know you're over the target when you start hearing "blood" though... Especially in conjunction with "purity".

My grandmother had a health-food cookbook from the Nazi era. On the first printed page was a printed exhortation, "German Volk, keep your blood pure!"

Blood, soil, purity, all those fun words that stink of Romance, and bring to mind the sights and sounds of guillotines and gas, machine guns and marching.

Dare I even ask what Nazi health food is like?

183 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:22:33am
184 FrumiousFalafel  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:31:06am

re: #181 American Sabra

Please... even if mathematically every American were feeling the same degree of rising Jew-hatred and/or Israel-hatred as the British are, and are famous for (and for a far, far longer period of time then just its recent 10 year public re-emergence there and on the Continent), the simple fact that what, 10, 20 ...50... 100(!?) land masses the size of the UK can fit in the USA alone makes this country (USA) a traditionally far easier place for all discriminated people to live.

And to nip in the bud the only exception you might throw back regarding approximately 200 years of African American slavery here:
1) UK and all Europeans did that and much much more either before or after (World War II).
2) The key answer is that the UK/Europe had a full 1000 years on us civilization-wise; and even as far back as 100 to 200 years ago, it's well documented an already burgeoning anti-Americanism that grew and thrived there (Yes, this is absolutely true). Thus you can bet that when the UK outlawed slavery (de-facto slavery still existed), they loved to use that piece of "civilized advancement" to rub into our faces (also actually well known, so you don't even have to "bet" it as I just said).

But the simple fact is that the UK has a far more intricate web of involvement with the Arabs than we do. Did you know that our own State Department LEARNED their Arab-loving sneer FROM the British Foreign Office. That fact alone to me speaks volumes.

We Never had a Lawrence of Arabia to totally and completely romance an entire country -- especially their elite -- into loving the Arab ways and culture.

Did the Israeli embassy in this country get physically bombarded during the last Gaza operation as the UK Israeli embassy did (with "kill the Jews" placards clearly evident in the crowds immediately outside)?

The thankful fact is that the USA is the last remaining place for Jews to live peacefully other than Israel. Thank you America, I was born here, grew up here and I love this country.

All things are relative and while I want to entirely disengage from ALL Arab oil and influence, the UK and Europe are far more dependent as a simple economic fact on Arab oil than we are.

There's dancing with the Arabs and there's sleeping with them to the point where you've become their lapdog. That's the difference between glass and space-shuttle fiberglass / Ceramics.


Other Conservative Jews please speak up

185 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:35:37am

The CBC "news" aired statements made by some British/UK MPs (members of Parliament), the MPs were very concerned that the public (in its current outrage with the exorbitant spending of some elected members) that this outrage will fuel a "protest vote" -- and the "protest vote" will go to the BNP. (According to some, the public is really, really ticked off with the spending sprees -- and even though the Speaker of House took the fall and stepped down, a resignation which has not taken place since the 1600s, 300 plus years ago, this hasn't really quelled the anger. Ironically, there have also been reports that the Speaker, although overseeing the expenditures, didn't really do anything "wrong" -- that is, it's the rules on spending which are the real problem... there's no public "disclosure" of how MPs "expenses" are spent or on what -- in Canada, MPs expenditures are published on a government website.) Anyway, again the fear is that the public anger could spill over and get this racist BNP party into the parliament...

186 Wishbone  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:40:48am

re: #184 FrumiousFalafel

Well beat me gently with a stick of wet celery!....... I never knew all that about myself.

Must run off and tell the family, what?

187 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:56:24am

re: #181 American Sabra

That sounds like the whine: "But they do it too! Mawha!" as the child shrieks. That's not addressing the current issues in any meaningful way.

On another topic, I've noted previously that I've been reading the book entitled: "Willful Blindness" by Andrew McCarthy (he's the prosecutor of the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993). This book is an absolute must read (imo). Especially now that Gitmo has been (will be) closed. (There's a good deal of info on "how not to proceed" when dealing with Islamists...and, I might add, to point the finger at Saudis as if they and only they were the primary "culprits" in Jihad, is laughable. The author of Willful Blindness points out the roles played by Egyptians, Pakistanis, Afghans, etc., a whole host of characters...along with a whole host of breathtaking gaffes...a number of "operatives" while in prison, btw, phoned orders to their Jihadist friends, on the outside, to carry out murderous attacks...(that's using U.S. laws to further their Jihad) a number of terrorists were given U.S. Visas, not to mention U.S. citizenship...The Jihadists used the fall of the Soviet Union as a "recruitment tool", claiming that it was their Jihad over the Communists which led to the fall of the USSR, and how much do you want to bet that the freeing of the Gitmo "boys" will also by interpreted as an act of Allah and as a further recriutment tool? it goes on and on...)

188 maryatexitzero  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:01:21am

re: #183 bernieg1

So Europe can save itself by legal controlled deportations or wait until they are forced to do it with violent armed struggle.

There are other choices. For decades, Europe has been refusing to enforce their own laws. The police are afraid to go into certain Muslim neighborhoods, so those neighborhoods are basically run by Muslim gangs. The government works with the most extreme 'nonviolent' groups like Hizb-ut-Tahrir and the Muslim brotherhood in a lunatic misguided attempt to control terrorism.

European governments are also in bed with Islamist governments like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Russia and Saudi Arabia basically own most of Britain - I'm not sure if they also own most of Germany and France, but I'd be willing to bet that they own a healthy share.

Those are the things that need to change. Moderate conservative and liberal governments would be capable of making those changes if people uniformly demanded them.

"Controlled deportations" will generate mass unrest, violence and Gujarat and Swat-style atrocities. The conflicts will probably give more power to the Muslim extremists and the European extremists. The main beneficiaries of this violence will probably be extremist Islamic states, Russia, China and emerging markets in the West, like Venezuela and Brazil. The main losers will be the usual targets of terrorism and fascism - Europe, Israel, America and India.

189 maryatexitzero  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:04:39am

re: #187 J.S.

to point the finger at Saudis as if they and only they were the primary "culprits" in Jihad, is laughable

They're not the only culprits, but our governments pretend that they're our allies, which is not just laughable, it's self-destructive. Since very few people are willing to point that out, it's always worth mentioning.

190 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:27am

re: #183 bernieg1

If you advocate mass deportations of Muslims at LGF, you are going to lose your account.

191 Land Shark  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:39:36am

re: #183 bernieg1

The problem with forced deportations, besides the moral implications of the act, is that they always turn into a humanitarian disaster of some kind. Genocide, famine, disease, you name it. And most of the people who wind up suffering are innocents, women, children and the elderly will bear the brunt of the suffering every time. And since people will usually resist, the possibility of violence to enforce the deportations leading to genocide is very real. Almost a certainty.

I don't know of any examples in history where mass deportations weren't cruel, brutal and just plain evil.

192 american sabra  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:56:41am

re: #184 FrumiousFalafel

Oh brother.... Of course Europe has been dealing with Islam far longer than we have, but that's not just Arabs. Indians and Pakistanis, too. Muslims have been part of the Euro scene for centuries, from the beginning of the religion. So? What does that have to do with my comment? Are we so much holier than thou that we can point our finger at the Queen and say, "Oooo you're in the Saudi pockets!" Yea right. When we stop using OPEC oil than we'll have room to talk. What arrogance.

You want to talk about oil? I say this to my conservative friends in real life all the time every time they start moaning and groaning over climate change in one breath and in the next breath say how we need to cut our dependence on foreign oil, namely Saudi and Venezulean oil. You can't have both. We don't have enough to dig in our back yards. Maybe for one generation, but then we'll be back to square one. It's the epitome of hypocracy to me. They don't want to put money into alternative fuels, and they don't want foreign oil, but they sure as hell aren't giving up their Suburbans. Give me a freakin break.

Like them or not, the Muslims and the Arabs take up a huge part of this world and we're going to have to find a way to live with each other. It didn't help that the Iraqi war, a war which I firmly supported until quite recently actually, caused millions more Muslims to flee into Europe which helped to strengthen these right wing fascist groups, like the VB and BNP and why they are rising among people who are not normally racist. And the craziest of all is that they've managed to fool the Jews into thinking they're our friends. They are NOT.

193 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:03:38am

After checking bernieg1's blog, and finding a post titled 'Perez Hilton is an Idiot Fag' and other extremist content, this bigoted creep is out of here.

194 hellosnackbar  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:20:16pm

re#185JC
Highly unlikely!
Although the BNP has tried to clean up it's act over the last ten years
videoed speeches with ex KKK man David Duke has shown that they are at heart dyed in the wool white supremacists.
The only possibility of electoral success is in districts where there is a high, "in your face", muslim presence.
There is a possibility that they may get one or two MEPs(european parliament representatives)as a protest vote;but I see no chance of a BNP member of parliament .
Whatever Brits are ;they are not facists.

195 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 1:19:18pm

re: #194 hellosnackbar

I sure hope you're correct! and no BNP get into Parliament!

196 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:25:50pm
197 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:03:25pm
198 Wishbone  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:10:34pm
Whatever Brits are ;they are not facists.

Here's something to think about:

We in Britain are sometimes held up as having the most PC of busybodies running our nation. There isn't a day that goes by that some daft bugger doesn't decide that something or other is racist, discriminatory or otherwise offensive to some other bunch of buggers, for reasons perhaps best known only to the clinically insane or liberals.

So in that sort of ethos, you'd think it would be a matter of consternation and, consequently, action on the part of the PC crowd, each time there's some event (to be fair, it's usually football) where our lot lose all constraint and proceed to berate the Germans for having started two wars and lost them, in as many and varied, colourful ways as they can muster. WWII really pissed us off.

The problem for the PC crowd is this: We have longer memories than they do.

We won't let the Krauts, Jerries, Bosch, Fritz, Sausage Noshers........ Forget for one minute that they fucked up and made themselves pariahs by engaging in a war of conquest and extermination. We certainly won't be forgiving them any time soon, if ever, for the blood we lost at their hands. What that nation was guilty of was ingrained into our national memory and isn't going away.

So when some idiot suggests that we should perhaps 'move on from the past'....... The answer is usually something along the lines of "What..... they don't like it?....... Fuck 'em....... They started it"

In all honesty....... the PC crowd doesn't really do much to dissuade us from our 'Jerry Baiting'..... they know there's no point and it will get them precisely nowhere. It's an even bigger national sport than taking the piss out of the French.

So......... and here's the bit to think about: Given that our nation has such an outlook toward Germany and the Nazis...........

What makes anyone think that we'd vote for the same kind of lunatic to run our country?

199 Jack_ITA  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:31:53pm

re: #172 sandbox

Denying entry to someone, expelling illegal aliens or already condemned foreign citizens is a completely different matter from deporting people who are legally residing in a country (citizens or not citizens), abiding its laws, and probably paying its taxes, only on the basis of their ideology, ethnicity or religion

200 American Sabra  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:49:32pm

re: #197 clem

Quoting from vdare isn't going to endear you to anyone, not just Charles.

201 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:54:01pm

re: #197 clem

Get off my website.

202 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:07:09pm

The link I am about to post is from the LDS web site. The reason is the second half of the talk I am posting to--it's the story of a woman who actually did go through a forced relocation because of her ethnicity during WWII. I'm not posting it for religious reasons, but because it lays out exactly what a forced relocation can be like, and probably would be like. It is a talk about faith, but I feel the narrative is relevant if people are talking about forcibly moving people. I am not posting it for religious reasons, but because the story illustrates so clearly what Charles and others have tried to say about this kind of thing.

The story starts in the paragraph reading "In about March of 1946..."

[Link: lds.org...]


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