Krauthammer: Obama in Bush Clothing

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Charles Krauthammer’s column today is about the Obama administration’s newfound fondness for the policies of the Bush administration: Obama Adopts the Bush Approach to the War on Terrorism.

If hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, then the flip-flops on previously denounced anti-terror measures are the homage that Barack Obama pays to George Bush. Within 125 days, Obama has adopted with only minor modifications huge swaths of the entire, allegedly lawless Bush program.

The latest flip-flop is the restoration of military tribunals. During the 2008 campaign, Obama denounced them repeatedly, calling them an “enormous failure.” Obama suspended them upon his swearing-in. Now they’re back.

Of course, Obama will never admit in word what he’s doing in deed. As in his rhetorically brilliant national-security speech yesterday claiming to have undone Bush’s moral travesties, the military commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama three-step: (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.

Cosmetic changes such as Obama’s declaration that “we will give detainees greater latitude in selecting their own counsel.” Laughable. High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these miscreants in court.

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424 comments
1 Czarny_Smok  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:09:36am

Ahhh, hypocrisy, thy name is Obama!

2 quickjustice  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:10:11am

Meet the new boss, liberals, same as the old boss!

3 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:10:43am

I see he is being pragmatic. It's a relief, actually.

4 Gella  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:10:45am

hypocrisy at its best

5 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:10:46am

Obama is Hitler in 5..4..3..

/

6 Duke6855  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:11:07am

Krauthammer has really emerged as a good voice since the election - Charles (K, this time) - keep it up, you're a voice for the rest of us!

7 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:11:19am

Obama = Hitler.

/

8 Czarny_Smok  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:11:35am

re: #2 quickjustice

Meet the new boss, liberals, same as worse than the old boss!

There, fixed that for ya! ;-)

9 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:11:47am

"Obama Adopts the Bush Approach" In any number of ways, that headline could anger everybody interested in politics, regardless of stripe.

10 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:12:14am
On Guantanamo, it's Obama's fellow Democrats who have suddenly discovered the wisdom of Bush's choice. In open rebellion against Obama's pledge to shut it down, the Senate voted 90 to 6 to reject appropriating a single penny until the president explains where he intends to put the inmates. Sen. James Webb, the de facto Democratic authority on national defense, wants the closing to be put on hold. And on Tuesday, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, no Gitmo inmates on American soil -- not even in American jails.

Frankly, I'm just stunned at this sudden change of heart in these people. It's a good thing, but because they're such hypocrites, it's difficult to take pleasure at their improved perspective.

11 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:12:27am

Next I want him to announce that the whole socialized medicine idea was joke.

12 quickjustice  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:12:27am

When will lefty voters figure out that the horse Obama's beating, i.e., the Bush Administration, is dead?

13 Czarny_Smok  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:12:37am

So, when do we hear little ity-bity liberal heads explode?

14 Gearhead  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:00am
Obama in Bush Clothing

Hmmph. I hadn't noticed the pith helmet before. It's flattering.

15 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:06am

I just passed a car on the way home with three bumper stickers on it: "No More War!"; "Close Gitmo Now!"; and "Obama '08"

Still chuckling.

16 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:13am
17 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:36am

re: #10 Sharmuta

Frankly, I'm just stunned at this sudden change of heart in these people. It's a good thing, but because they're such hypocrites, it's difficult to take pleasure at their improved perspective.

I think they're hearing from their constituents, who say "Hell no!" to bringing them here. Webb's stated opposition gave them the fig leaf that they needed.

18 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:41am
19 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:50am

re: #13 Czarny_Smok

If you're very quiet and listen intently, you can hear their capillaries erupting...

20 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:53am
The genius of democracy is that the rotation of power forces the opposition to come to its senses when it takes over. When the new guys, brought to power by popular will, then adopt the policies of the old guys, a national consensus is forged and a new legitimacy established.

Very well said. Now if only the democrats would balance the budget....

21 SFGoth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:56am

Yeah, and the $ just fucking tanked. I hate the fucking Republicans, I hate the fucking Democrats, and I hate the fucking One. I'm just glad that tomorrow night I'm on my way to Germany for 10 days of gothic friendship, partying, music, drinking, and escape. This country is fucking toast - and if any of you think the (fucking) Republican party has a chance in the next, 4, 6, 8 years, you're on crack.

22 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:15:07am

Indeed, there are numerous major law firms that are busy representing Gitmo detainees, and pursuing all angles of legal remedies. After all, who do you think helped get all those cases heard by the US Supreme Court and all the appeals? It certainly wasn't a solo practitioner who did defense work as a public defender.

23 irongrampa  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:15:28am

re: #10 Sharmuta


Bear in mind the part about expiration dates on positions.

24 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:15:55am

Biden back Cheney's position

It seems that all a reporter has to do to find out about the pickle Barack Obama's is really in over his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison is to ask the veep, who was talking to the press at Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo on the final day of his trip to the Balkans.

So will Obama fulfill his vow - announced amid great fanfare in an executive order on day two of his presidency - to close the facility by January 2010? "I think so," Biden responded, according to Newsweek's Holly Bailey.

So perhaps he will. Or perhaps not. We'll see.

Biden continued: "But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It's like opening Pandora's Box. We don't know what's inside the box."

He also said that "to the best of my knowledge" the number of prisoners "who are a real danger who are not able to returned or tried" has "not been established" by the Obama administration.

So he basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney's analysis that the decision was taken "with little deliberation, and no plan".

25 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:16:04am

re: #21 SFGoth

The markets are now finally realizing that the dollar is in trouble? It was in trouble the moment that the solution to the recession was to quadruple spending without regard for how to pay for any of this.

26 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:16:17am

re: #13 Czarny_Smok

So, when do we hear little ity-bity liberal heads explode?

Lawrence O'Donnell's head sploded today. Made kind of smush sound.

27 debutaunt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:16:37am

Has code-pink been tied up in some garage?

28 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:16:40am

Close Gitmo. Reopen in Florence, CO. Keeps campaign promise and maintains security (but dumps on the folks in CO). Pretty smooth and no one in the media will call him on it.

29 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #18 Ringo the Gringo

Obama, War Pig.

Opps! Wrong link.

Here's the right link.

30 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:17:24am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama is Hitler in 5..4..3..

/

[crickets]

31 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:17:38am
"High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these miscreants in court."

No fewer than 12 new appointees to Obama's Justice Department worked for law firms that represented terrorists. Think about it. Obama is bringing home the bacon, so to speak.

32 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:18:19am

re: #21 SFGoth

wtf?

33 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:18:54am
34 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:18:56am

re: #28 calcajun

Close Gitmo. Reopen in Florence, CO. Keeps campaign promise and maintains security (but dumps on the folks in CO). Pretty smooth and no one in the media will call him on it.

Jobs! Jobs!

35 midwestgak  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:19:05am

Laughable. High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these misccreatns in court.

Definition of frisson:
Noun

S: (n) frisson, shiver, chill, quiver, shudder, thrill, tingle (an almost pleasurable sensation of fright) "a frisson of surprise shot through him"

36 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #7 Ward Cleaver

Obama = Hitler.

/

That doesn't flow off the tongue very well. We need to find another vile figure from history to use.

How about this?

Obama = Attila

That gives us the mashup of Obamattila which flows about as well at the Bush and Hitler mashup.

37 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:19:17am
38 yma o hyd  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #31 Kenneth

No fewer than 12 new appointees to Obama's Justice Department worked for law firms that represented terrorists. Think about it. Obama is bringing home the bacon, so to speak.

Jobs for the boys'n gals, is it?

Amazing (NOT!) how there's no difference between him and NuLab ...

39 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:19:25am

Well, at least Obama is elegant.

/...

40 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:06am
41 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:08am
42 S'latch  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:14am

I never believed it was really about "torture," military tribunals, GITMO, WOT, or even Bush/Cheney. It was, and is, about socialism. Bush was in the way of it. He had to be vilified until defeated. And Obama was still campaigning against Bush in 2008.

43 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:15am

re: #13 Czarny_Smok

So, when do we hear little ity-bity liberal heads explode?

Many lefties have head too pointy to explode. Instead, their brains erupt out of the top of the head like a volcano.

44 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:15am

re: #21 SFGoth

Whoa. I get a little despondent, but it's way too early to start drinking like that, fella. Where we are right now is still not as bad as the 1930's--and for that we should be thankful.

45 Capitalist Tool  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:18am

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

That doesn't flow off the tongue very well. We need to find another vile figure from history to use.

How about this?

Obama = Attila

That gives us the mashup of Obamattila which flows about as well at the Bush and Hitler mashup.

How about Obamarnold, eh Benedict?

46 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:20:25am

re: #29 Ringo the Gringo

Opps! Wrong link.

Here's the right link.

I found it on the first link, con mucho scrolling. But I liked this picture best.

/as would or

47 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:05am

re: #35 midwestgak

...as in the thing that ran down Chris Matthews' leg upon hearing The One speak.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

That doesn't flow off the tongue very well. We need to find another vile figure from history to use.

How about this?

Obama = Attila

That gives us the mashup of Obamattila which flows about as well at the Bush and Hitler mashup.

Works for me. He's pillaging the country, that's for sure.

49 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:24am
50 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:24am

re: #21 SFGoth

I feel that way sometimes, too. But I haven't totally given up.

51 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:36am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holy crap! From the mouths of fools comes wisdom:

Biden continued: "But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It's like opening Pandora's Box. We don't know what's inside the box."

What happened when Pandora's Box was opened?

After Prometheus' theft of the secret of fire, Zeus ordered Hephaestus to create the woman Pandora as part of the punishment for mankind. Pandora was given many seductive gifts from Aphrodite, Hermes, Hera, Charites, and Horae (according to Works and Days). For fear of additional reprisals, Prometheus warned his brother Epimetheus not to accept any gifts from Zeus, but Epimetheus did not listen, and married Pandora. Pandora had been given a large jar and instruction by Zeus to keep it closed, but she had also been given the gift of curiosity, and ultimately opened it. When she opened it, all of the evils, ills, diseases, and burdensome labor that mankind had not known previously, escaped from the jar, but it is said, that at the very bottom of her box, there lay hope.

Let's all hope Obama's Gitmo notion works out alright in the end, ok?

52 yma o hyd  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #42 Lawrence Schmerel

I never believed it was really about "torture," military tribunals, GITMO, WOT, or even Bush/Cheney. It was, and is, about socialism. Bush was in the way of it. He had to be vilified until defeated. And Obama was still campaigning against Bush in 2008.

Nothing new there - thats what the LLL do all the time.
Here in the UK, NuLab people are still blaming Maggie - for everything, even for their own fraudulent misuse of taxpayers' money for personal gain ...

53 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:21:55am

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

That doesn't flow off the tongue very well. We need to find another vile figure from history to use.

How about this?

Obama = Attila

That gives us the mashup of Obamattila which flows about as well at the Bush and Hitler mashup.

He's more like Louis XIV than Attila.

54 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:22:03am

re: #46 Ward Cleaver

I found it on the first link, con mucho scrolling. But I liked this picture best.

/as would or

It has nice scenery, that's for sure.

55 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:22:17am

re: #28 calcajun

Obama could do just that, but no one in the US Senate or House wants it in their backyard. They'd just as soon leave 'em all in Gitmo. Besides, it isn't the name Gitmo that has them in trouble, for some of those in Congress, it's the very notion of holding these detainees indefinitely as would be the case for all the terrorists captured on the battlefields around the world and for whom there is no evidence that can be proffered other than their physical presence in our custody - it's not like the Army or Special Forces has a CSI unit attached to collect every piece of ammo fired or forensic evidence to show that X was at the location and captured while firing on US forces.

It wouldn't matter where they're being held - it's that we're holding them at all that is a problem for those on the far left. For the rest, they've had to resort to pretzel logic to defend the fact that they're now in the curious position of running with the Bush Administration's position on Gitmo.

I'm sure that most Americans would like to see Gitmo closed, but closed for the right reasons - that the jihad has been defeated and that these guys don't pose a threat. I'm a realist and know that isn't going to happen - and most certainly isn't likey to happen in my lifetime (after all, jihad has been with us since Islam was founded, and religious wars existed long before that).

56 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:22:21am

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

That doesn't flow off the tongue very well. We need to find another vile figure from history to use.

How about this?

Obama = Attila

That gives us the mashup of Obamattila which flows about as well at the Bush and Hitler mashup.


Obama + Nero = Nerobama!

57 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:22:21am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama is Hitler in 5..4..3..

/


Only Republicans can be Hitler. /

58 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

He's just pissed because at the current exchange rate beer in Germany will cost more.

That would make me cranky, too.

59 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:22:55am

re: #57 kansas

Only Republicans can be Hitler. /

Obama = Stalin?

60 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:23:03am

re: #10 Sharmuta

Frankly, I'm just stunned at this sudden change of heart in these people. It's a good thing, but because they're such hypocrites, it's difficult to take pleasure at their improved perspective.

There's not so much a change of heart as a return to Politics As Usual. You've got the Senate hearing theit constituents scream "NIMBY!" on the Gitmo detainees. You've got Democratic Senators pushing back against the Executive branch trying to shove this down their throats without so much as a plan on how it's supposed to work. You've got the Executive branch attempting to implement policy to fulfill campaign promises that are at odds with Congress' constituents wishes.

In other words, over at the Executive branch, it's Amateur Night. And they're beginning to pay the price for it. Everyone in charge may belong to the same party, but Congress isn't going to sit still and let policies their constituents won't accept see the light of day. Nor are they going to put their decades-long erosion of Executive Branch power on hold, especially when the Executive's momentum is suddenly at an ebb.

61 realwest  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:23:27am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Joe Biden - the gift that keeps on giving!

62 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:23:29am

re: #51 Kenneth

Holy crap! From the mouths of fools comes wisdom:


What happened when Pandora's Box was opened?

After Prometheus' theft of the secret of fire, Zeus ordered Hephaestus to create the woman Pandora as part of the punishment for mankind. Pandora was given many seductive gifts from Aphrodite, Hermes, Hera, Charites, and Horae (according to Works and Days). For fear of additional reprisals, Prometheus warned his brother Epimetheus not to accept any gifts from Zeus, but Epimetheus did not listen, and married Pandora. Pandora had been given a large jar and instruction by Zeus to keep it closed, but she had also been given the gift of curiosity, and ultimately opened it. When she opened it, all of the evils, ills, diseases, and burdensome labor that mankind had not known previously, escaped from the jar, but it is said, that at the very bottom of her box, there lay hope.

Let's all hope Obama's Gitmo notion works out alright in the end, ok?

odd, pandora's box is much like eve's apple. geesh, ya just can't trust a woman
//////

63 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama + Nero = Nerobama!

Even better. BHO is an asshole and a fop like Nero.

64 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #53 Alouette

He's more like Louis XIV than Attila.

Heh. I can just see Michelle Obama right now...

"Let them eat arugula."

65 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:28am

re: #35 midwestgak

Laughable. High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these misccreatns in court.

Definition of frisson:
Noun

S: (n) frisson, shiver, chill, quiver, shudder, thrill, tingle (an almost pleasurable sensation of fright) "a frisson of surprise shot through him"

Not to be confused with that other DC pass-time, frottage.

66 yma o hyd  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:31am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama + Nero = Nerobama!

Very good!

He does have all those parties, after all ...

67 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:43am

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo

Obama = Stalin?


Stalin was too smart. Obama is more like some blue blood royal who looked good, seemed smart, but was really out of his depth. Need some historical help there.

68 Mr. E. Train  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:46am

This seems all good to me. He does (pretty much) what he should with the Gitmo boys AND moonbats are pissed off.

Thumbs up for the One!

69 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:24:55am
70 mingjaiyo  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:25:17am

Yes,hypocrisy, blatant hypocrisy. But I put forward the thought that this is an example of what happens when the campaign ends and the winner finds himself in the big chair, being briefed daily with information many of us will ever see ( assuming the 25 year rule still is in accordance 25 years from now). Information at the level has it's effect. I disdain Obama greatly - I have personally experienced that loathing those on the left professed to have felt regarding W. I believe without question that O is the most dangerous to the Republic person to ever occupy the Presidency. That being said, some semblence of reality must have forced it's way into his brain and made clear to him that Bush had found himself faced with a nightmare post 9/11 and that,indeed, the policies enacted by the Bush White House were and are effective and,based on classified briefings, should be maintained regardless of how much the hardcore Left may howl. Now, if we can keep his domestic policies at bay,or watered down enough to gut them with an opposition Congress elected in 2010, I will be happy.Until that time, I will maintain a low profile hoping for the best while preparing for the worst.

71 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:25:51am
72 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:25:54am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

And, like Nero, he can play the lyre liar.

Obama: "Bring me a small lyre"
Axelrod, Geitner and half the rest of his staff step forward.

73 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:26:03am

re: #20 Sharmuta

Very well said. Now if only the democrats would balance the budget....

I'm really hoping the Blue Dogs in the House begin to assert themselves, and that the GOP reaches across the aisle to support them. They're on the same page when it comes to fiscal responsibility, and together they can build a coalition that can stop this nonsense before it passes the point of no return.

74 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:26:31am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

And, like Nero, he can play the lyre liar.

I thought his main instrument was the teleprompter? :D

75 Gearhead  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama + Nero = Nerobama!

You may have something there:

Burning down Roman slums to clear space for palace vs. Rahm Emannuel's "opportunity in crisis" philosophy.

76 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:27:00am

re: #73 SixDegrees

I'm really hoping the Blue Dogs in the House begin to assert themselves, and that the GOP reaches across the aisle to support them. They're on the same page when it comes to fiscal responsibility, and together they can build a coalition that can stop this nonsense before it passes the point of no return.

I do too. It's an outrage.

77 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:27:08am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

"Apres moi, le deluge de teinte rouge."

Very, very, good!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:27:33am

re: #21 SFGoth

Yeah, and the $ just fucking tanked. I hate the fucking Republicans, I hate the fucking Democrats, and I hate the fucking One. I'm just glad that tomorrow night I'm on my way to Germany for 10 days of gothic friendship, partying, music, drinking, and escape. This country is fucking toast - and if any of you think the (fucking) Republican party has a chance in the next, 4, 6, 8 years, you're on crack.

You are a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day.

79 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:27:41am

I was going to link an "Everything Old is New Again" video but found this instead. It has that tag line at the ending. World's best underware ad evahhhh. Warning - guy in underwear.

80 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:28:30am

re: #53 Alouette

He's more like Louis XIV than Attila.

Louis XIV doesn't work well in the mashup, and Bush wasn't really like Hitler, so that's not a real requirement for this.

Although, Obamarmchair might work. Or is that too obscure?

81 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:28:34am

Glad it's my day off. Underwear.

82 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama + Nero = Nerobama!

Hey that's a good one.

83 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:29:25am

re: #81 Catttt

Glad it's my day off. Underwear.

TMI. I've got to get to work. BBT

84 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #79 Catttt

I was going to link an "Everything Old is New Again" video but found this instead. It has that tag line at the ending. World's best underware ad evahhhh. Warning - guy in underwear.



I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. This is the greatest underwear add ever.

85 irongrampa  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:30:33am

Dunno, I'll give up on this country when I quit breathing, I guess.

86 SFGoth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #32 apachegunner

wtf?

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:31:15am

re: #27 debutaunt

Has code-pink been tied up in some garage?

They may be in a garage, but their hands are free. On Thursday, they had a National Media Day of Action on Afghanistan. Also, on Mother's Day, they met in front of the White House with big pink signs. They're busy.

Oh, and they're worried that we will 'Iraq Iran'.

88 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:31:22am

The Group Five problem

A conservative could look at this passage from President Obama's speech, when he discusses why he discontinued enhanced interrogation techniques:

"They risk the lives of our troops by making it less likely that others will surrender to them in battle, and more likely that Americans will be mistreated if they are captured."

...and a conservative might think, "what, are they going to use a duller blade or a more rusty blade to decapitate people -- is that the incremental likelihood of mistreatment that he is talking about?"

Now, about that Group Five Problem:

"Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. And I have to be honest here -- this is the toughest single issue that we will face. We're going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who've received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States.

I have re-read this section a half dozen times, and for the life of me, I cannot figure out how President Obama can guarantee that all of these Group Five detainees will stay incarcerated. He states unequivocally that he is not going to release them, but goes on to say or imply that they will be afforded some kind of due process ("in line with the rule of law") and that the decisions will be subject to both judicial and congressional review ("within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight"). Not to be overly Manichean, but President Obama either has complete control of the disposition of all of the Group Five detainees, or he does not. If he does, his guarantee is worth something; if he does not, then there exists the possibility that the power to release such detainees will be out of his hands. Or am I missing something?

89 Czarny_Smok  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:31:43am

The first 100 days - the Reign of Error!

90 SFGoth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:31:52am

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

You are a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day.

Awwwwww, thanks! :->
This is worse than the 30's in the sense that we know about the 30's.

91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:32:16am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I love the title they chose to put on the blog article, properly full of disdain for us crass and loud "Colonials":

“Out of the loop” Joe Biden says decision to shut Guantanamo was “like opening Pandora’s Box”

92 mingjaiyo  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:32:31am

#45. I've started using "Obamao " -how does that work for anyone?

93 Mich-again  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:32:45am
(a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.


Lather, Rinse, Repeat

94 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:14am
95 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:34am
High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these miscreants in court.

I attended the Boalt Hall law school graduation a few days ago, and just like last year, World Can't Wait was protesting out in front against Boalt professor John Yoo, one of the government legal consultants who wrote the infamous memos about waterboarding and "ticking time-bomb" scenarios for using it. In other words, "the torture professor." I expected the protest to be bigger than last year's, since the issue is so much in the news these days. But no. Not only was the protest smaller, but much fewer of the graduates (and their families) took the Guantanamo-orange ribbons handed out by WCW to show solidarity with their communist ideology. I'd say at most 5% of the graduates had the ribbons, as opposed to maybe 15% last year.

All in all, I'd say that the vast majority of law school graduates even in Berkeley are NOT going into "social justice" Lynne Stewart/William Kunstler radical law practice, but rather just want to make money. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is a positive sign.

96 SFGoth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:39am

re: #73 SixDegrees

I'm really hoping the Blue Dogs in the House begin to assert themselves, and that the GOP reaches across the aisle to support them. They're on the same page when it comes to fiscal responsibility

You mean the page that says "fuck fiscal responsibility"? What party, for 6 years, opened the floodgates?

97 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:50am

One of the more alarming differences from the Bush policy (although Bush, also, stated that he wanted to close Gitmo) is the closure of Gitmo and the eventual housing of Jihadist terrorists on American soil. This, imo, could become a huge problem...

98 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:53am

re: #92 mingjaiyo

#45. I've started using "Obamao " -how does that work for anyone?

Another contender.

99 yma o hyd  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:58am

re: #86 SFGoth

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

Heh.
You're only 41 - a lot can happen before you pop your clogs!

Look at how so many have said the UK is toast - and here we are, NuLab down the drain, and a general Election probably in October - NuLab down to 20%, Tories on 42% of the votes.

See?

Giving up is not an option!

100 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:34:08am

re: #28 calcajun

Close Gitmo. Reopen in Florence, CO. Keeps campaign promise and maintains security (but dumps on the folks in CO). Pretty smooth and no one in the media will call him on it.

Send them to Berkeley. They should be welcome there. Hell, they might even pick up some professorships.
/

101 dingleB  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:34:17am

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Anyone for a chicken peta.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

102 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:34:49am
103 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:34:54am

re: #93 Mich-again

Lather, Rinse, Repeat

You're confusing the hippies now.

104 Mich-again  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:35:42am

re: #103 CyanSnowHawk

You're confusing the hippies now.

Now that there is funny.

105 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:35:47am

re: #86 SFGoth

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

So your response to that is to go to Europe and have a party? Nice.

106 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:36:04am
107 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:36:13am

re: #81 Catttt

Glad it's my day off. Underwear.

What?

108 Blue_Knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:36:20am

As each new day comes and goes, while Barackus Casear Obama parades and preens in his emporer's clothes, it becomes more and more apparent that not only was Dubya Bush right, he should have and could have went a lot further in the fight.

Seriously. I admire Mr. Krauthammer and I become more and more impressed with him every time he writes and publicly speaks. I'm practically ready to start printing Charles Krauthammer for President 2012 bumper stickers.

109 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:36:37am

re: #86 SFGoth

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

sorry goth, you'll be ok. have fun on vaca

110 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #90 SFGoth

Not really. Been reading Amity Shlaes' "The Forgotten Man". In 1933 and 34, there was up to 20% unemployment. Also, FDR was a bit of a economic dilettante who played with the currency policy like it was a train set. The NRA tried to cure deflation by setting artificially high prices. No, we are not that bad.

In retrospect, printing the trillions and trillions of dollars was not a dumb thing to do, given that the $ is not tied to gold. It staved off the deflation that had been the hallmark of the Depression.

111 irongrampa  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #94 Iron Fist

Same as the both of us, likely. Gotta admit I'm a lot less sanguine about "there" as before.

112 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:37:59am

re: #101 dingleB

Anyone for a chicken peta.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

So how is that working with peta thing working out for ya' KFC?

/If not anything else, KFC has demonstrated beyond all doubt that trying to work with those idiots will not turn out well for any restaurant.

113 jcm  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:38:09am

re: #86 SFGoth

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

Opportunity.

The opposition will fail.

Be prepared to seize the opportunity to restore the republic.

114 Afrocity  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:38:16am

This is not good. Now my liberal friends will just say Obama is a Republican and blame it all on us.

115 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:38:42am

re: #114 Afrocity

This is not good. Now my liberal friends will just say Obama is a Republican and blame it all on us.

Projection, it's a hideous mistress.

116 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:39:04am
117 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:39:18am

re: #88 Kenneth

Say, Kenneth, did you catch that CBC National "news" last night? I couldn't believe it! Whoa! They were a dissin' Obama, big time. lol

The CBC "news" person stated (angrily?) that Obama's policy is no different from that of Bush's when it comes to the treatment of the worst of the worst. Thus, Obama will potentially be keeping "those poor dear souls" in prison, sans trial, indefinitely, just like that evil ol' Bush. You don't have the evidence to win a conviction, yet ya can't let 'em out -- thus, you gotta lock 'em out, without a trial, and without a termination date -- and all of this potentially occurring on American soil!

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:39:44am

My landlady keeps muttering about a second Great Depression, and she remembers the first one.

Anyone see the Onion story a while back: Nation Instinctively Forms Breadline?

119 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:39:51am

re: #114 Afrocity

We drew him over the the Dark Side. Now, he is our disciple- Darth Obama.

120 opnion  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:39:57am

No, no BHO is not stealing Bush Policies, It's the other way around.
Bush stole from Barrys Law REview articles. Oh, wait he says that he never submitted any.

121 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:00am

re: #86 SFGoth

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

The founding fathers have put in some wonderful self correcting mechanisms to keep the pendulum from getting stuck to far in one direction. Stick around and help the rest of us restore some sanity.

122 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:14am

re: #108 Blue_Knight

As each new day comes and goes, while Barackus Casear Obama parades and preens in his emporer's clothes, it becomes more and more apparent that not only was Dubya Bush right, he should have and could have went a lot further in the fight.

Seriously. I admire Mr. Krauthammer and I become more and more impressed with him every time he writes and publicly speaks. I'm practically ready to start printing Charles Krauthammer for President 2012 bumper stickers.


can't do that, he was born in canada

123 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #101 dingleB

Anyone for a chicken peta.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

How come the PETA cage-girls in other countries go topless, but when I attend their demos, they leave their clothes on?

Life is not fair.

124 realwest  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:40am

Well y'all it's been interesting today but I gotta go, I hope you all have a great day and a good Memorial Day (given the reason for it, wishing someone a "Happy " Memorial Day doesn't seem right) and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

125 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:42am

Did we miss a flounce?

126 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:48am

It's absolutely not acceptable to post comments about armed revolution at my website.

This is really going to be the last warning I issue about this. I've reached the end of my patience on this issue.

127 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:49am

re #116-- that was quick. Oh well.

128 OldLineTexan  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:40:57am

re: #103 CyanSnowHawk

You're confusing the hippies now.

It REALLY confuse the programmers, since there's no END statement.

/

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:41:13am

Obama is a liar.

130 dingleB  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:41:15am

re: #112 CyanSnowHawk

Check out Tony the Tiger.

Image: anti-gay-protesters.jpg

I'm sorry it's friday, I'm burnt and I really need a three day weekend.

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:41:53am

re: #119 calcajun

BTW, left a reply to you at the bottom of the ONT.

132 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Underwear fight!
Warning - Djimon Hounsou in underwear. See guys - I warned ya.

133 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:42:27am

I apologize, Charles. I shouldn't have quoted that post.

But, we still have an opportunity to affect the GOP, if we speak up, get involved, and work through the system.

134 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #107 Ward Cleaver

What?

Cattt's taking casual Friday to an extreme that only works when done by nubile 20-something women.

135 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:42:32am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

Next I want him to announce that the whole socialized medicine idea was joke.

I'm still waiting for McCain to jump out from behind a curtain at one of the pressers and join Barry in a belly-laugh at how long they kept the practical joke going.

136 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:42:43am

re: #131 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Tnks.

137 gander  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:42:52am

They showed Obama whats inside the binder. Everything looks different now.

138 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:43:01am

I don't know if anyone has already said it, but I really hope the nickname OBAMA W BUSH sticks...

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #112 CyanSnowHawk

So how is that working with peta thing working out for ya' KFC?

/If not anything else, KFC has demonstrated beyond all doubt that trying to work with those idiots will not turn out well for any restaurant.

Organizations that demonstrate by getting girls to take their clothes off in public tend to lose points in my book, unless the goal of the organization is public nudity.

I do have to wonder though how many bondage enthusiasts are using those photos for a purpose for which they were not intended. Ah well. Someone may as well get something out of this.

140 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

I apologize, Charles. I shouldn't have quoted that post.

But, we still have an opportunity to affect the GOP, if we speak up, get involved, and work through the system.

That's the spirt, Ward!

141 Blue_Knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #122 apachegunner

can't do that, he was born in canada

He was? aw... darn. No Krauthammer for POTUS then :(

142 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #126 Charles

It's absolutely not acceptable to post comments about armed revolution at my website.

But when posting about the transition from amphibians to land animals, can we at least comment about armed evolution?

143 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:43:30am

re: #110 calcajun

Good post. Inflation is on the way, brought on by the massive deficit spending. It will be bad, but the only thing worse would be the opposite of inflation, deflation.

144 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:44:19am

re: #134 CyanSnowHawk

Cattt's taking casual Friday to an extreme that only works when done by nubile 20-something women.

Going commando? Commanda?

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:44:33am

re: #123 zombie

How come the PETA cage-girls in other countries go topless, but when I attend their demos, they leave their clothes on?

Life is not fair.

Sorry Zomb. But everyone did take their clothes off when you covered the Folsom Street Fair! That's gotta count for something.

Unless you're a straight man. Or a lesbian. Or just turned off by beefy men in leather.

146 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:44:57am

re: #119 calcajun

We drew him over the the Dark Side. Now, he is our disciple- Darth Obama.

Emperor Hussain Palpatine

147 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #142 zombie

But when posting about the transition from amphibians to land animals, can we at least comment about armed evolution?

How about comments describing the armed revolutions of the whirling dervishes of the Sufi sect?

148 irongrampa  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:45:27am

re: #126 Charles


If you feel the comment I made at #111 was over the line, please delete it.

I agree totally with you on this, it has no place here or anywhere else.

149 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:46:04am

re: #135 Guanxi88

I'm still waiting for McCain to jump out from behind a curtain at one of the pressers and join Barry in a belly-laugh at how long they kept the practical joke going.

And then, 0bama announces that Biden has resigned, and he's nominating Sarah Palin to take his place.

/yeah, like that'll happen

150 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:46:20am

re: #137 gander

They showed Obama whats inside the binder. Everything looks different now.

That's true, I think. I remember seeing the video of the Obama people's faces when they came out of their first briefing on this stuff - to say they looked awesomely shocked and stunned would be an understatement.

151 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:46:30am

re: #123 zombie

How come the PETA cage-girls in other countries go topless, but when I attend their demos, they leave their clothes on?

Life is not fair.

When I see those pictures of wymn trying to identify with animals I have a perverse desire to chuck some kibbles and bits at the cage and say eat up!

152 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:46:33am

re: #117 J.S.

I don't watch the CBC anymore if I can help it. But I'm not surprised by the slant. I know a guy who used to work for CBC News, he quit because he was disappointed the slant wasn't leftist enough for him. No joke. The place is sick with anti-Americanism.

153 sattv4u2  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:46:37am

re: #142 zombie

But when posting about the transition from amphibians to land animals, can we at least comment about armed evolution?


I'm more of a leg and boob man, myself. Just ask anytone. They'll tell you I'm a boob !

umm,,, hey ,, WAIT A MINUTE !

154 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:47:03am

re: #132 Catttt

Underwear fight!
Warning - Djimon Hounsou in underwear. See guys - I warned ya.

You've forced my hand.

Yumiko Shaku

155 sattv4u2  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:47:14am

re: #147 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How about comments describing the armed revolutions of the whirling dervishes of the Sufi sect?

Or whirled peas, for that matter!

156 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:47:26am

re: #130 dingleB

Check out Tony the Tiger.

[Link: media.photobucket.com...]

I'm sorry it's friday, I'm burnt and I really need a three day weekend.

Photobucket is blocked at work. I'm a sad panda.

157 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:47:30am

re: #134 CyanSnowHawk

Cattt's taking casual Friday to an extreme that only works when done by nubile 20-something women.

I can't help it. Finding semi-unknown and unknown hot men is my job. :D And known. Men, that is.

158 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:47:33am

re: #126 Charles

It's absolutely not acceptable to post comments about armed revolution at my website.

This is really going to be the last warning I issue about this. I've reached the end of my patience on this issue.


Holy #$%#!

Sounds like mommy needs to limit someones computer access.

159 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:47:46am

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

And then, 0bama announces that Biden has resigned, and he's nominating Sarah Palin to take his place.

/yeah, like that'll happen

If that did happen, we'd see a lot of repeats of the famous head-exploding scene in "Scanners".

Where's my popcorn popper?

160 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:48:01am

re: #86 SFGoth

I'm pissed. I'm only 41 and my wonderful country is toast.

With all due respect, you've never really experienced a significant economic downturn. From Reagan's second term to the present, there simply haven't been any worth mentioning; the economy has been on an unprecedented straight-line upward growth curve. Prior to that, recessions came and went with regularity, every 8 to 12 years or so. The recession that began under Carter and continued to spread and deepen during the first portion of Reagan's first term was far worse than anything we've seen so far in the current downturn. You were eight or nine when it really hit bottom; the economy has been on the rise ever since, an unheard of stretch of prosperity.

It's difficult to predict when the current recession will begin to pull up; there are scattered signs that it has already bottomed, but that isn't yet a certainty and even when an upturn is certainly underway it will take a couple of years before things return to anything resembling what so many have come to expect as 'normal.'

The government certainly has it in it's power to totally fuck things up even more than they already are, of course. It's more important than ever to hold politician's feet to the fire of fiscal responsibility.

161 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:48:04am
162 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #140 Sharmuta

That's the spirt, Ward!

I always feel pangs of guilt when tfk reminds us that it's our country, and we should take it back.

163 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

And then, 0bama announces that Biden has resigned, and he's nominating Sarah Palin to take his place.

/yeah, like that'll happen

I was no huge fan of McCain, but at least he was an adult. I held my nose voting for him, true, but voted all the same. Used to think HRC was the one we had to worry about, until BHO got that whole cult-thing going full-speed; my ears are still ringing from those first alarm bells that went off when I saw people falling out and writhing and fainting at his rallies, like Pentecostals.

164 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:48:52am

Today's jeans and sneakers day at work. Of course, I telecommute and have Friday off. I taunt people at meetings by saying "I'm wearing sweats."

165 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:03am

re: #132 Catttt

Underwear fight!
Warning - Djimon Hounsou in underwear. See guys - I warned ya.

I think he's waaaaay underutilized as an actor.

166 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:04am

re: #132 Catttt

If you want an underwear fight, you better bring the right kind of ammo.

167 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:05am

re: #155 sattv4u2

Or whirled peas, for that matter!

Or Peas on Earth, which is what happened when I tripped carrying a bowl of them to the picnic table......

168 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:05am
169 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:12am
170 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:37am

re: #124 realwest

Well y'all it's been interesting today but I gotta go, I hope you all have a great day and a good Memorial Day (given the reason for it, wishing someone a "Happy " Memorial Day doesn't seem right) and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Random Memorial Day moment: some years ago, I found myself in downtown San Francisco on Memorial Day. The financial district is basically closed, streets are empty except for a few cars. I am about to get on a bus and head for the Richmond.

I stop at an ATM to get some cash. While I'm there, a man in a business suit walks up and tries to get into the bank, which is, of course, locked. He tugs on the door several times, and then yells--apparently to no one--"Why is the ****ing bank closed?"

I turn and call out "The guns were silent!"

The guy gives me a completely horrified, slightly frightened, stare, and heads rapidly down Market Street.

171 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:49:42am

re: #163 Guanxi88

I was no huge fan of McCain, but at least he was an adult. I held my nose voting for him, true, but voted all the same. Used to think HRC was the one we had to worry about, until BHO got that whole cult-thing going full-speed; my ears are still ringing from those first alarm bells that went off when I saw people falling out and writhing and fainting at his rallies, like Pentecostals.

"Democracy, be GONE!"

172 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:50:09am

re: #165 Ward Cleaver

I think he's waaaaay underutilized as an actor.

I agree. To me, though, he is the uber-hottest Oscar-nominee ever, ever.

173 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:50:11am

re: #163 Guanxi88

I was no huge fan of McCain, but at least he was an adult. I held my nose voting for him, true, but voted all the same. Used to think HRC was the one we had to worry about, until BHO got that whole cult-thing going full-speed; my ears are still ringing from those first alarm bells that went off when I saw people falling out and writhing and fainting at his rallies, like Pentecostals.

They still are. Only know it's the White House Press Corps.....
/ Bastards

174 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:50:29am

re: #173 LGoPs

They still are. Only know it's the White House Press Corps.....
/ Bastards

Know = now....
PIMF

175 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:50:43am

re: #169 taxfreekiller

OT
Obama is sure of man made climate change,
so sure he handed off our future to Henry Wackoman of Calif.

then yesterday in the House as chair person of committee Wackoman of Cailf. said this

"no I do not know all that is in the cap and trade bill , I just sponsored it, We are leaving the language in the bill to the experts who know what they are doing, """"U.N. people"""" who are experts on climate change"

then this
3" new snow at arapahoebasing ski area
[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]

With nostrils like his, I'll bet that Waxman spews tons of CO2.

176 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:50:59am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry Zomb. But everyone did take their clothes off when you covered the Folsom Street Fair! That's gotta count for something.

Unless you're a straight man. Or a lesbian. Or just turned off by beefy men in leather.

Should have been called the Folsom Street Ugly if you ask me.

177 Colin Nelson  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:03am

The Obamatron's speech gives the term vacuous new meaning.

His head positions, general body language, the Constitutional backdrop, the undisguised pique, the slagging of the hard decisions taken by the previous admin herald the end of the uncritical adoration of Barry Hussein.

Course CNN still laughs at any proponent of any of the Bush policies, but, that too will pass.

Barry's under the truck soon...

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:12am

re: #132 Catttt

Underwear fight!
Warning - Djimon Hounsou in underwear. See guys - I warned ya.

Oh Lord. Tighty whities on a man carved from ebony. Wheeee...

179 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:18am

re: #175 Ward Cleaver

His nose hair catches a lot of it, though. / ewwww - did I say that?

180 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #164 Catttt

Today's jeans and sneakers day at work. Of course, I telecommute and have Friday off. I taunt people at meetings by saying "I'm wearing sweats."

Clothes? You wear clothes? I haven't blogged in pajamas in years. PJs are old-school. Power-blogging in your birthday suit is au courant!

181 Land Shark  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:35am

I guess we can label the Obama flip flops and adopting a good deal of GW Bush's policies "Reality Bites Messiah." Amazing how wise Bush is starting to look on these matters. Not that our Zero-In-Chielf and his breathless fans will ever admit it.

182 pianobuff  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:39am

re: #67 kansas

Stalin was too smart. Obama is more like some blue blood royal who looked good, seemed smart, but was really out of his depth. Need some historical help there.

Ethelred the Unready comes to mind....

183 dhg4  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:51:48am

To read the Washington Post's editorial on the dueling speeches, is to be transported into a brave new world.

Mr. Obama is criticized for both sides of his equation. From the left, some deny that the battle against al-Qaeda should be considered in the context of the law of war. From the right, critics suggest that to construct fair rules or demand accountability in the conduct of that war will hamstring the nation's defense. The Bush administration understood the first half but stubbornly refused to work with Congress to establish the necessary institutions; the result was years of false starts, immoral behavior and terrible blows to America's reputation. Former vice president Richard B. Cheney's rebuttal speech yesterday not only failed to acknowledge his administration's failures but falsely posited the national security choice as one between a "comprehensive strategy [that] has worked" and a view that Sept. 11, 2001, "was a one-off event . . . not sufficient to justify a sustained wartime effort."

Mr. Obama's wisdom lies in accepting the reality of war but insisting that it can be fought in fidelity to U.S. values. Yesterday, he spelled out the crucial difference. "I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for the remaining Guantanamo detainees that cannot be transferred," he said. "Our goal is not to avoid a legitimate legal framework."

(Cheney's speech was not a "rebuttal," it was scheduled first.)

As a number of commentators noted, the idea that Gitmo or EIT's were recruiting tools, is unsupported by any evidence. The Post's editors can't handle the truth. Cheney explained how and why waterboarding was used. But the method was too much for the Post's editors and President Obama, even if it was effective. So instead, they pretend that if the technique troubles their consciences, it can't be effective.

Dismissing and demonizing the Bush administration for the minor differences in approaches to the war on terror (or whatever you want to call it) allows them to pretend that they're doing or supporting something different.

But the Post's support for the President's positions underlines something else too. The President doesn't try to appeal to the ordinary American. Most people would say, "Did the tactics protect us? Did harsh interrogations save lives? Great!" But to the media elite, there's something about defining "American values" as some sort of sainthood. "Protect lives? Sure. But not at the cost of our souls." Which view is going to resonate more with the public?

I know that Allah thought it wasn't smart for Obama to draw attention to Cheney. I disagree. He had to pre-empt Cheney, because Cheney's arguments are common enough sense that they'd appeal to the public. That's what the President had to fight. And that's why the Washington Post had to support the President uncritically.

184 StillAMarine  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #108 Blue_Knight


Seriously. I admire Mr. Krauthammer and I become more and more impressed with him every time he writes and publicly speaks. I'm practically ready to start printing Charles Krauthammer for President 2012 bumper stickers.

You beat me to that fine suggestion, Blue_Knight. It would not be much of an accomplishment to do a better job than Barackus Phonus Balonus Obama, that is for sure.
The only thing I would worry about Mr Krauthammer is the state of his health. There is certainly nothing lacking upstairs, though.

185 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:52:28am

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

It has nice scenery, that's for sure.

I wish they would move their banner.

186 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:52:47am

re: #156 CyanSnowHawk

Photobucket is blocked at work. I'm a sad panda.

You're in HR are you?

Sexual Harassment Panda. Priceless

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:52:52am

re: #143 Kenneth

Good post. Inflation is on the way, brought on by the massive deficit spending. It will be bad, but the only thing worse would be the opposite of inflation, deflation.

Inflation or deflation will be a minor annoyance when/if the dollar gets devalued officially on the world market.

188 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:53:12am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did we miss a flounce?

No, Iron Fist just got a little carried away.

189 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:53:27am

re: #179 Catttt

His nose hair catches a lot of it, though. / ewwww - did I say that?

AAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!

190 Gearhead  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:53:33am

re: #179 Catttt

His nose hair catches a lot of it, though. / ewwww - did I say that?

I think I may have made a bad choice for my lunch time reading.

191 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry Zomb. But everyone did take their clothes off when you covered the Folsom Street Fair! That's gotta count for something.

Unless you're a straight man. Or a lesbian. Or just turned off by beefy men in leather.

Uh - yeah. But there's a difference between airheaded but relatively hot, topless PETArds and nude, middle-aged bald guys with saline-inflated scrotums.

192 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:54:30am

re: #152 Kenneth

In the last week I watched a few National News programs (I too tend to skip the CBC), but a while back the CBC was brimming with pro-Obama (hate Bush) rhetoric...now it seems to be changing...getting back to the "we hate Americans" meme...(lthough, interestingly, in the domestic/Canadian political realm, the CBC is adopting an Obama-like meme of "The Liberals mean Hope and Change!" while the conservatives are being depicted as the Bush/Cheney league.)

193 itellu3times  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:54:57am

Well look, I gave obambi points for doing the right thing, even when saying the wrong thing, it's more than I expected out of him.

I think CK should lighten up, a little.

194 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:55:02am

re: #180 zombie

Clothes? You wear clothes? I haven't blogged in pajamas in years. PJs are old-school. Power-blogging in your birthday suit is au courant!

I keep trying, but my coworkers say its distracting. Something about my raw animal magnetism.

195 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #177 Colin Nelson

The Obamatron's speech gives the term vacuous new meaning.

His head positions, general body language, the Constitutional backdrop, the undisguised pique, the slagging of the hard decisions taken by the previous admin herald the end of the uncritical adoration of Barry Hussein.

Course CNN still laughs at any proponent of any of the Bush policies, but, that too will pass.

Barry's under the truck soon...

and like the Cheshire cat I expect he will slowly fade into irrelevance leaving only his wagging finger behind.

196 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:55:36am
197 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:55:36am

re: #183 dhg4

As a number of commentators noted, the idea that Gitmo or EIT's were recruiting tools, is unsupported by any evidence.

It is my opinion that THIS has to be the next big meme!

How did UBL recruit before 9/11, during the Clinton 8 years?

198 MacDuff  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:55:40am

Upholding values will shield US from terror: Obama

Ah yes, the rule of law. How, exactly does the "rule of law" protect us from the lawless. How, exactly, do "American values" protect us from those who find those very values to be their Casus belli?

With Iran testing missiles and moving full speed toward developing nukes, the nuclear state of Pakistan battling the Taliban for its survival and the U.S still waging wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the President actually says that the "rule of law" and "American values" will de-energize our adversaries?

This rhetoric represents naivete at a level that is simply unacceptable from the President of the United States and confirms my worst fears about his foreign policy, once he actually develops one. At the moment, he seems to be adopting all of the Bush policies at the same time he derides them. This is no time for mixed messages.

I would like to know which "values" from which we have strayed that, once re-embraced, will keep us safe. I would like to know how "the rule of law" can protect us from those whose only law is that of Sharia.

The campaign is long over, the time for leadership began four months ago.

199 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:56:27am

re: #81 Catttt

Glad it's my day off. Underwear.

Phase One: Collect underpants
Phase Two:
Phase Three: Profit!

200 yma o hyd  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #180 zombie

Clothes? You wear clothes? I haven't blogged in pajamas in years. PJs are old-school. Power-blogging in your birthday suit is au courant!

Only if you can afford the central heating bills ....

201 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:57:27am

re: #161 bernieg1

I just took a look at your blog, after you posted in favor of mass deportations in the BNP thread, and you are not welcome to post comments at my website.

202 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:57:33am

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I keep trying, but my coworkers say its distracting. Something about my raw animal magnetism.

I bet you don't have as much raw animal magnetism when blogging nude as I do! In terms of sheer volume, I win hands down.

203 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:57:56am

Looks like even the media is becoming the enemy to the Obama administration (found on ABC News blog):

Do You Want Your OTV?

On April 27, President Obama welcomed the University of Connecticut Lady Huskies, who had just won the NCAA women's basketball championship.

After the event, President Obama went to the White House basketball court to shoot hoop with the Lady Huskies. The White House press corps was not allowed to attend.

Reads the print pool report from that day: "After shaking hands with the team's parents and members of Congress who showed up, the president walked the team over to his basketball court and shot hoops. The pool was held back from the stroll down the drive and around the corner, and couldn't see the court. Poolers could hear periodic cheering coming from the other side of the bushes."

Read the TV pool report: "Your Pool was not allowed to go over and shoot POTUS with the team shooting hoops. We protested loudly."

Now we know why: Obama White House officials decided to do their own media report on the visit, complete with cuts, interviews, and chyrons identifying who's speaking.

Also, just like a network, they have their own little logo!

Cute!

204 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:58:04am

re: #183 dhg4

Mr. Obama's wisdom lies in accepting the reality of war but insisting that it can be fought in fidelity to U.S. values. Yesterday, he spelled out the crucial difference. "I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for the remaining Guantanamo detainees that cannot be transferred," he said. "Our goal is not to avoid a legitimate legal framework."

I would like to see a definiton of what these 'values' are. I'm tired of hearing empty platitudes spouted for the sake of moral preening.
I suspect that the value, if the left ever honestly defined it, is to have the satisfaction of feeling smug, self staisfied and self-righteous regardless of the potential cost in American lives.

205 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:58:39am

re: #160 SixDegrees

Indeed, the Obama Administration's response to the recession is one that is absolutely unheard of considering that the nation dealt with far worse during the 1970s recessions - including the 1970s oil shock and the Carter recession. In both cases, inflation was double digits, unemployment was double digits, and interest rates were double digits.

Malaise was the name of the game.

Now? We're talking about low interest rates, unemployment that is for the most part under 10% in most of the country, and we're dealing with the possibility of runaway inflation precisely because the Administration's solution is to put the printing presses set to ludicrous speed and engage in massive pork spending that is unnecessary, unwarranted, and isn't having any effect on the parts of the economy that Obama said that they would.

Past measures to deal with recessions have been modest spending programs, but nothing on the level seen here. It's irresponsible.

206 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:58:40am
207 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:58:40am

re: #202 zombie

I bet you don't have as much raw animal magnetism when blogging nude as I do! In terms of sheer volume, I win hands down.

your cover is blown. Now we know you're Michael Moore.

208 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:59:52am

re: #197 Buck

By noting that the US wasn't defending itself and not going after AQ whenever it attacked the US and its interests overseas. Restraint was mistaken as weakness. Obama is going down that same road - thinking that restraint is needed, when all it does is broadcast weakness.

209 Land Shark  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:00:10am

re: #163 Guanxi88

Man, ain't that the truth. Either of the Clintons would look mighty good to me right now compared to Obama.

The Obama Cult is well on it's way in our schools too. The other day I went to my buddy's house on Miami Beach and a poster of Obama as Superman on of their boys had done for school was hanging in the kid's room. Apparently the kid's class (he's in 9th grade) had had a contest on inspirational posters on Obama. No joke. The poster didn't win, but it was very well drawn, very colorful. The winning poster must have been something else. I was rather speechless as I realized how deep into our culture the cult of the Zero has reached.

210 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #142 zombie

But when posting about the transition from amphibians to land animals, can we at least comment about armed evolution?

That would be an armed evolution revolution then. ;-)

211 dhg4  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #197 Buck

It is my opinion that THIS has to be the next big meme!

How did UBL recruit before 9/11, during the Clinton 8 years?

Heh. I didn't think about that!

(For all of the invective hurled towards former President Bush, he never started arguing that 9/11 was the fault of the previous administration. Or at least he didn't do it as explicitly as President Obama and his surrogates do. Cheney, though, strongly suggested that yesterday.)

212 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:01:49am

re: #123 zombie

How come the PETA cage-girls in other countries go topless, but when I attend their demos, they leave their clothes on?

Life is not fair.

At least you get to see the inflated scrotum guys. :)

213 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:02:04am

re: #186 Guanxi88

You're in HR are you?

Sexual Harassment Panda. Priceless

I'm in Engineering, but I watch South Park.

214 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:02:37am

re: #177 Colin Nelson

The body language of a narcissist:


"Haughty" body language – The narcissist adopts a physical posture which implies and exudes an air of superiority, seniority, hidden powers, mysteriousness, amused indifference, etc. Though the narcissist usually maintains sustained and piercing eye contact, he often refrains from physical proximity (he is "territorial").

The narcissist takes part in social interactions – even mere banter – condescendingly, from a position of supremacy and faux "magnanimity and largesse". But he rarely mingles socially and prefers to remain the "observer", or the "lone wolf".

215 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:02:46am

re: #213 CyanSnowHawk

I'm in Engineering, but I watch South Park.

Well, at least you've got that going for you. South Park, I mean.

216 irongrampa  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:03:09am

re: #168 Iron Fist

Can't blame you an iota. What bothers me is that some completely unwound group will arbitrarily decide to right matters. If the economy continues to tank, and Obama's policies exacerbate things, then I would say the possibility of such would increase, but that the probability would remain low.
Likely this'll all be resolved politically--and the other will remain something titillating to bullshit about.

217 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:04:04am

re: #212 Mad Al-Jaffee

At least you get to see the inflated scrotum guys. :)

Somehow, I think both male and female would prefer the topless attractive young women to inflated scrotum man.

218 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:04:16am

re: #166 Kenneth

If you want an underwear fight, you better bring the right kind of ammo.

I'm actually kind of in shopping mode today - may end up linking shoe pictures - or handbag pictures. :D

219 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:04:33am

re: #202 zombie Time to refill my brain bleach bottle.

I'll be having horrible nightmares all weekend.

Thanks Zombie!

220 Colin Nelson  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:04:38am

#214 Kenneth:

Brilliant rendering that defines BHO to a "T".

A classic outsider!

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:04:56am

re: #209 Land Shark

Man, ain't that the truth. Either of the Clintons would look mighty good to me right now compared to Obama.

The Obama Cult is well on it's way in our schools too. The other day I went to my buddy's house on Miami Beach and a poster of Obama as Superman on of their boys had done for school was hanging in the kid's room. Apparently the kid's class (he's in 9th grade) had had a contest on inspirational posters on Obama. No joke. The poster didn't win, but it was very well drawn, very colorful. The winning poster must have been something else. I was rather speechless as I realized how deep into our culture the cult of the Zero has reached.

Good Lord. What did the Republican parents say about that, or is that not an issue in Miami Beach?

Meanwhile, at my Catholic high school by the Bay, the woman I share my classroom with had her students do a research paper and poster on the 'issue' of their choice. It's really kind of amazing how many different social topics ninth-graders are into.

222 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:05:36am

re: #168 Iron Fist

I need to beat myself back into some reasonable sembalence of being fit, if for no other reason than to be able to run towards the sound of the guns without passing out before I get there.

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you deliberately ignoring the warnings I've been giving you?

This is it, man. Either you learn not to post this kind of extremist crap, or your account is history.

223 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:05:38am

re: #201 Charles

I just took a look at your blog, after you posted in favor of mass deportations in the BNP thread, and you are not welcome to post comments at my website.

Give our love to Savage_Nation and rodan.

224 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

Deflation would cause massive devaluation of the dollar. It's not a pretty thing at all and would be even more devastating to the US economy than the mess so far. Avoid deflation at any cost if you can.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:06:28am

re: #224 Kenneth

Deflation would cause massive devaluation of the dollar. It's not a pretty thing at all and would be even more devastating to the US economy than the mess so far. Avoid deflation at any cost if you can.

So we're talking about deflation, and the inflated-scrotum guys, and it's all sort of merging in my mind...

226 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:06:29am

Obama is not a leader, he is really more of a follower.

He is a politician first, foremost, and forever.

The massive spending programs and eventual deficits are nothing more than his personal spending program to get himself reelected.

But the joke is on all of us, because we are paying the bill for his 8 year gig in DC.

227 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:07:00am

re: #198 MacDuff

Upholding values will shield US from terror: Obama

Ah yes, the rule of law. How, exactly does the "rule of law" protect us from the lawless. How, exactly, do "American values" protect us from those who find those very values to be their Casus belli?

With Iran testing missiles and moving full speed toward developing nukes, the nuclear state of Pakistan battling the Taliban for its survival and the U.S still waging wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the President actually says that the "rule of law" and "American values" will de-energize our adversaries?

This rhetoric represents naivete at a level that is simply unacceptable from the President of the United States and confirms my worst fears about his foreign policy, once he actually develops one. At the moment, he seems to be adopting all of the Bush policies at the same time he derides them. This is no time for mixed messages.

I would like to know which "values" from which we have strayed that, once re-embraced, will keep us safe. I would like to know how "the rule of law" can protect us from those whose only law is that of Sharia.

The campaign is long over, the time for leadership began four months ago.

His judgement, like that of all leftists, is dangerously naive and bad. I am convinced that for whatever reason, probably inculcated early in life, these people intentionally ignore the obvious and not only disregard common sense but act directly contrary to it.

228 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:07:03am
229 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #168 Iron Fist

Iron, remember your own rule about posting.
"If you think you may be too drunk to post, then you are too drunk to post."
It may be applicable right now.

230 Dave the.....  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:07:54am

I wonder if small town librarians are still shredding the circulation records each night so Big Gov't can't confiscate them. Yes, it happened while Bush was President (Beloit Wisc comes to mind as one that made the papers).

231 MikeAlv77  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:07:58am

re: #224 Kenneth

Deflation would cause massive devaluation of the dollar. It's not a pretty thing at all and would be even more devastating to the US economy than the mess so far. Avoid deflation at any cost if you can.

This is so true. From reading about the Drepression and deflation in Japan, its a death spiral for an economy

232 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:08:03am

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

I'm surprised nobody has yet come out with a line of Blogging Pajamas™.

Properly marketed, I'm sure they'd sell.

They'd have to be stain resistant, to be sure. All the coffee and cheetos, you know. Sleeves just above the wrist, to make typing easier.

233 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:08:11am

re: #226 _RememberTonyC

Obama is not a leader, he is really more of a follower.

I have to disagree, he is not a follower. He's a political campaigner. All he has been doing is what it would take to win an election.

234 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:08:28am

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

I'm surprised nobody has yet come out with a line of Blogging Pajamas™.

Properly marketed, I'm sure they'd sell.

Include a built in waste disposal chamber and handy beef jerky and sunflower seed dispensers and they can be marketed to gamers too.

235 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:08:32am

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

I'm surprised nobody has yet come out with a line of Blogging Pajamas™.

Properly marketed, I'm sure they'd sell.

I dunno, there's something enticing about "Blogging while Naked". I can support that... However, frying bacon while naked?... not so much.

236 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:08:33am

re: #222 Charles

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you deliberately ignoring the warnings I've been giving you?

This is it, man. Either you learn not to post this kind of extremist crap, or your account is history.

Iron Fist, are you a cop? If you are, I could understand that post (in the context of running toward danger).

237 txlady  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:08:34am

The libs and company fail to understand that the one thing that would happen if those islamists go to the jails here or in to the general population, is that they would be the new terror cells. These people win either way. They stay in Gitmo = they get to recruit and have a gathering place to formulate new and better ways to destroy western civilization. They leave GITMO = they are then free to roam about creating new cells (like a cancer). The first directive of government is to protect the people. If the government fails in that, then it is no longer a viable government. Since the Islamist get to win either way, then this government has failed to protect it's people.

238 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:09:37am

re: #126 Charles

Charles, may I be so bold as to add the following:

For any of you who think in those terms, do you have even the remotest idea of what it would take to trigger a real "revolution" of the type you suggest? Do you have any idea what it would take in this day and age to mount such an enterprise? This nation of ours would had to have sunk to such a level where anarchy is close at hand--imagine a dozen cities in a post-Katrina-like setting. That is a very low order of probability-if not outright impossible.

The only reason the American Civil War went as long as it did was that the CSA had the nucleus of an army already built in to them in the form of a state militia. The modern National Guard is a branch of the US Military, though answerable to the local civilian government. In other words, the US Civil War cannot ever happen again.

What you suggest isn't rebellion--it's treason. It's a revolt against the rule of law and the very thing that binds us together-- our Constitution and our common heritage. I appreciate that some of your are frustrated and scared. Don't be. As I told my very liberal neighbors in 2000 and in 2004, there's precious little that one man can do to this Republic in four years that can't be undone in the next four.

As I mentioned up-thread, we are not in a spot nearly as bad as it was in the 1930's. If ever there was a decade for revolt, it was then. But, it never happened because we were Americans. The system may have been battered, but the country was strong and hung together. Our parents and grandparents did it the--we must do it now. So, shut up about revolting or forming some separatist commune; it would be too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum anyway.

Thanks. Now, go an remember what this weekend is about. As for me, I'm taking my boys and the other Scouts to Ft. Rosecrans tomorrow morning to decorate the graves. I suggest all of you "revolutionaries" might do something similar because your idea of "revolution" is, in my mind, pissing on those graves.

For the rest of you, have a peaceful weekend--just remember to thank those who paid for that peace.

239 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:09:46am

re: #233 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have to disagree, he is not a follower. He's a political campaigner. All he has been doing is what it would take to win an election.


I think he's not much more than a prop. A pretty face that his hanlders could get into office. Now he's there and has real power he doesn't know what to do with it other than try to look pretty some more.

240 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:10:08am
241 opnion  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:01am

re: #227 LGoPs

His judgement, like that of all leftists, is dangerously naive and bad. I am convinced that for whatever reason, probably inculcated early in life, these people intentionally ignore the obvious and not only disregard common sense but act directly contrary to it.

When Obama lauds American Values, it is very hard to disagree.
We are not a barbaric country, however protecting Americans from trerrorists is a worthy value. Obama speaks in platitudes, but offers no real solutions.

242 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:14am

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the multiple pockets, sort of like the knife-holding pockets on Cossack tunics, to hold an array of thumb drives for downloads.

I hadn't thought of that, but yeah. you'd need cartridge-loop type things for the thumb-drives.

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:20am

re: #228 buzzsawmonkey

I'm surprised nobody has yet come out with a line of Blogging Pajamas™.

Properly marketed, I'm sure they'd sell.

Has anyone named a blog "Pajamas Medea"?

Pajamas Media's lawyers would be salivating for Jason occasion.

244 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #223 CyanSnowHawk

Give our love to Savage_Nation and rodan.

Heh. They're showing us the love with yet another post about LGF written by ChenZhen. Someone called "Speranza" is asking for us (get this) to stop spending so much time focused on them. He wants us to leave them alone. LOL! Never mind that they can't go a day without a post about LGF, or a comment that advocated violence against us.

245 subsailor68  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:32am

Well, what a surprise.

US House Republicans back GM bondholders in talks

From the article:

GM and the UAW reached a tentative agreement on Thursday to cut hourly labor costs and restructure the funding for $20 billion owed to a union-aligned trust for retiree healthcare.

Analysts have said that now puts the focus on GM bondholders who are being asked to forgive debt in exchange for a 10 percent stake in a reorganized company.

Representatives of the bondholders have rejected that offer as insufficient. The U.S. Treasury would hold a majority stake in a reorganized company under GM's proposal. The UAW would hold 39 percent and current shareholders would get 1 percent.

Hmm...so, to translate: "Okay bondholders, you guys who, under legal contract, invested in GM, here's what's going to happen. The Treasury, with no experience in the auto industry, will own the majority. UAW, who was at least partially responsible for this mess, will own 39 percent. You folks, who researched, invested, and risked, have a choice: take 1 percent of this new company, or just take a hike."

Chrysler bondholders were quoted as saying, "Hi fellas, welcome to the shaft."

246 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:44am
247 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:11:55am

re: #233 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have to disagree, he is not a follower. He's a political campaigner. All he has been doing is what it would take to win an election.

I agree, but I think he is both. He is following his handlers' orders and using our treasury and our financial future to finance his political career.

248 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #238 calcajun

I wish I could ding this a million times.

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250 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:12:15am

re: #202 zombie

I bet you don't have as much raw animal magnetism when blogging nude as I do! In terms of sheer volume, I win hands down.

Sorry, I know that is not you..... That guy is not using a MAC!

251 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:14:08am

Iron Fist, I value your comments here too much to have you risk being banned. Please take heed. I'm sure you are taking heed and I'm not trying to be condescending or preach to you .......you're a big boy.
Just saying.

252 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:14:27am

re: #238 calcajun


...
What you suggest isn't rebellion--it's treason. It's a revolt against the rule of law and the very thing that binds us together-- our Constitution and our common heritage. I appreciate that some of your are frustrated and scared. Don't be. As I told my very liberal neighbors in 2000 and in 2004, there's precious little that one man can do to this Republic in four years that can't be undone in the next four.

As I mentioned up-thread, we are not in a spot nearly as bad as it was in the 1930's.

For the rest of you, have a peaceful weekend--just remember to thank those who paid for that peace.

Have some boudain with my upding!

253 soxfan4life  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:15:04am

re: #245 subsailor68


Such is the rule of law under 0bama. All you evil people with money must pay for your sins.

254 JacksonTn  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:16:42am

re: #246 Iron Fist

IF ... we are just gonna hunker down and wait them out ... I know you know how ... they will be out of office before you know it ... but if you are talking about terrorists ... well, we got a little something for them ...

WTF is going on the last two days ... bad mojo all around ...

Bad Moon Rising ... CCR ... lunch is almost over ...

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:16:42am

re: #246 Iron Fist

re: #251 LGoPs


Iron Fist, perhaps I'm being terribly presumptuous, but I loudly second LGoPs. You have put in some VERY intelligent posts, which is what I'm here for.

256 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:16:59am
257 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:17:05am

On the bright side being out of work and having to dip into my retirement pre 2007 is starting to make me look like a genius. Who knew a 10% penalty would look profitable in comparison two years later?

258 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:17:22am

re: #246 Iron Fist

It was just a poor choice of words, especially given the earlier post. Charles has enough to worry about, without us making him nervous.

259 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:17:26am

re: #218 Catttt

I'm actually kind of in shopping mode today - may end up linking shoe pictures - or handbag pictures. :D

Shoe pictures? That'll bring WriterMom I reckon!

260 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:17:40am

re: #211 dhg4

Heh. I didn't think about that!

(For all of the invective hurled towards former President Bush, he never started arguing that 9/11 was the fault of the previous administration. Or at least he didn't do it as explicitly as President Obama and his surrogates do. Cheney, though, strongly suggested that yesterday.)

I would PAY MONEY for the media to pull out some of footage of the "Arab Street" pre Bush.... it looks EXACTLY the same as it did during Bush 43....

IN FACT "Down with America" started during Carter....

I can accept that Abu Garib might have helped with angering many who already hated the US, but Gitmo is NOT Abu Garib.... Never was.

261 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:17:46am

re: #249 DaddyG

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You have no idea how much I wish you had mispelled friends.......
:)

262 Tamron  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:18:02am

(Re: Krauthammer running for President)

re: #122 apachegunner

can't do that, he was born in canada


--Krauthammer should throw his hat in the 'Prez' ring anyway, just to find out who is legally supposed to challenge such qualifications, and on exactly what grounds. This might prove to be interesting!
.

263 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:18:12am

re: #252 Guanxi88

Wish I could, but a lot of food is suddenly disagreeable to me. Good thing is I'm dropping weight.

264 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:18:30am

Jeez, guys. Calm down. Not only is it not acceptable on this blog this is the exact mentality that is sinking the GOP. Why so many people are actively sabotaging themselves and their own political movement is beyond me. Get a grip.

265 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:18:51am

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

266 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:00am

re: #250 Buck

Sorry, I know that is not you..... That guy is not using a MAC!

Damn! Exposed by someone more observant.

I need to do stuff like this every now and then, when general consensus about my gender veers one way or the other. There have altogether too many "zombie is a she" comments here and about recently, so I push things back toward the male direction with sexist comments and so forth. When things begin to swing the other way, that I must be male, I start to discuss knitting and hating sports. The goal is to keep the consensus exactly evenly split down the middle.

Because, lord knows, you couldn't handle a real photo of me blogging!

267 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:05am
268 S'latch  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:12am

Charles Krauthammer’s column today is worth reading. I recommend to everyone on this thread.

269 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:34am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

It's called "fear". It's the same mentality we saw across the aisle in 2002-2006. It's our turn now to be deranged. It will pass--nothing more than a spasm.

270 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:45am

re: #245 subsailor68

Well, what a surprise.

US House Republicans back GM bondholders in talks

From the article:

GM and the UAW reached a tentative agreement on Thursday to cut hourly labor costs and restructure the funding for $20 billion owed to a union-aligned trust for retiree healthcare.

Analysts have said that now puts the focus on GM bondholders who are being asked to forgive debt in exchange for a 10 percent stake in a reorganized company.

Representatives of the bondholders have rejected that offer as insufficient. The U.S. Treasury would hold a majority stake in a reorganized company under GM's proposal. The UAW would hold 39 percent and current shareholders would get 1 percent.

Hmm...so, to translate: "Okay bondholders, you guys who, under legal contract, invested in GM, here's what's going to happen. The Treasury, with no experience in the auto industry, will own the majority. UAW, who was at least partially responsible for this mess, will own 39 percent. You folks, who researched, invested, and risked, have a choice: take 1 percent of this new company, or just take a hike."

Chrysler bondholders were quoted as saying, "Hi fellas, welcome to the shaft."

All this crap he's pulling flies in the face of bankruptcy law (like putting unsecured creditors in front of secured ones). The bankruptcy judge could tell him to stuff it, or the parties could sue, derailing his plans.

271 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:52am

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the gaffers. You'll need lots of gaffers.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:19:53am

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

I thought "the guns were silent" referred to Armistice Day (now "Veterans' Day"); the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, when WWI ended.

Memorial Day (formerly "Decoration Day") is the day on which flowers are laid upon the graves of fallen soldiers, and on which we are to recall their sacrifice on our behalf.

You are, I think, correct. It was just what popped into my head at the moment.

Either way, it served to scare the hell out of this poor man.

273 wiffersnapper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:20:13am

So much for "no third term" eh?

274 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:20:19am

re: #222 Charles

"run towards the sound of the guns" is a phrase well understood by US Marines. It is not a call to violence, but a call to defend the nation.

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #261 LGoPs

You have no idea how much I wish you had mispelled friends.......
:)

heh ... "mispelled"

*rolls eyes and looks away*
*whistles innocently*

276 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:20:50am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

'Civil Union'?

277 soxfan4life  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:21:11am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?


The Barack Hussein Obama Jr. reeducation camp for militant Islamists?

278 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:21:23am

re: #261 LGoPs

You have no idea how much I wish you had mispelled friends.......
:)


There are no misspellings only creative application of English language conventions.

BTW you misspelled misspelled. :-)

279 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:21:33am

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You've forced my hand.

Yumiko Shaku

So boring. Much more interesting:

280 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:21:49am

re: #275 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh ... "mispelled"

*rolls eyes and looks away*
*whistles innocently*

This is the kind of pedantry up with which we shall not put!//

281 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:21:58am

Hey all.

FedEx just brought my Kindle, right on schedule.

See you in about five days or five books, whichever comes first.

282 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:22:37am

re: #275 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh ... "mispelled"

*rolls eyes and looks away*
*whistles innocently*

I could lie and say that I did that on purpose.........
:)

283 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:22:43am

re: #266 zombie

OMG!
I NEED TO HANG OUT ON ZOMBIETIME A LOT MORE!

284 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:22:43am

re: #274 Kenneth

"run towards the sound of the guns" is a phrase well understood by US Marines. It is not a call to violence, but a call to defend the nation.

In the context of this other comment he posted (now deleted), it's more than that:

Are you prepared to fight for it? That is a serious question that time and circumstance may ask of usin the not so didtant future. It's easy to say "Fuck it!" and throw another log on the pyre. It is a whole different thing to load up, slam a magazine home, and decide enough is ehnough. We aren't there yet (thank God), but that time may be coming. What will you do?

This is why I'm not happy, and have issued a warning.

285 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:22:53am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?


How about "Pork Palace?"

286 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:23:05am

re: #262 Tamron

I'm a bit curious as well, given the predicament of Chester A. Arthur. There were a lot of accusations and rumors at the time that he had been born in Quebec instead of Vermont. Nirthers are not simply a product of our own times. They've existed for many, many years.

287 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:23:08am

re: #277 soxfan4life

The Barack Hussein Obama Jr. reeducation camp for militant Islamists?

Send them to the University of Arkansas--The "Razorback" Re-education Center.

288 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:23:39am

re: #278 DaddyG

There are no misspellings only creative application of English language conventions.

BTW you misspelled misspelled. :-)

That's what I get for being a smart-ass. Karma got me....
:)

289 subsailor68  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:23:47am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

Let's put 'em all in speedos, grab a few pics, and call the place Club Med.

290 irongrampa  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:24:09am

Enough of the gloom and doom.

Some fun and lots of food this weekend is in store.


And a few moments planting flags and giving thanks to those who made it all possible.

291 jamgarr  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #265 kansas

Funky Cold Medina?

292 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

Uncle Hussein's Holiday Camp

293 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:25:40am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

The Unicorn Stables, clearly.

294 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:25:42am

re: #262 Tamron

(Re: Krauthammer running for President)


--Krauthammer should throw his hat in the 'Prez' ring anyway, just to find out who is legally supposed to challenge such qualifications, and on exactly what grounds. This might prove to be interesting!
.

I guess, no one questioned nobama did they.

295 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:25:47am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Jeez, guys. Calm down. Not only is it not acceptable on this blog this is the exact mentality that is sinking the GOP. Why so many people are actively sabotaging themselves and their own political movement is beyond me. Get a grip.

Exactly right. There are plenty of blogs that will let you rant and scream about revolution and civil war all you like. Not here. I'm dead serious about this, and I WILL block accounts of people who do it.

296 aggieann  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I keep trying, but my coworkers say its distracting. Something about my raw animal magnetism.

That and sticking to the seat cushion.

297 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #286 Honorary Yooper

Politics has always been very dirty and has pandered to a lot of low-forehead types. People will latch on to anything which might support their world views.

Again, we're back to the inductive vs. deductive reasoning dispute.

BTW, you can use that on your Creationist friends. It tends to end conversations rather quickly.

298 JacksonTn  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:26:32am

re: #290 irongrampa

Enough of the gloom and doom.

Some fun and lots of food this weekend is in store.

And a few moments planting flags and giving thanks to those who made it all possible.

IG .. F*cking A! ... oh, yeah, Obama does not deserve to shine the shoes of our military ...

/Obama dissing off ...

299 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:26:32am
300 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:27:07am

re: #284 Charles

That earlier comment was over-the-top.

301 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:27:52am

re: #265 kansas

Any suggestions on the new name [for GITMO]?

Gentlemens International Timeshare & Motivational Outreach

302 Ojoe  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:27:56am

Idiotic infantile electorate fawning after bozos and amplified to a screeching feedback by an even stupider media

303 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:27:58am

re: #299 buzzsawmonkey

Camp So-Sioux-Me.

Ute better not.......

304 CommonCents  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #14 Gearhead

Obama in Bush clothing

Lied to again! I was told the emperor had no clothes./

305 Tamron  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:28:37am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

How's about 'PARADISE', 'PURGATORY', 'HELL', or 'DAMN NATION'?
.

306 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:28:43am

re: #304 CommonCents

Lied to again! I was told the emperor had no clothes./

No, that was Cattt.

307 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:28:44am

re: #303 LGoPs

Ute better not.......

I Hopi he does.

308 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #277 soxfan4life

The Barack Hussein Obama Jr. reeducation camp for militant Islamists?

Excellent. But lets not be too controversial. With your permission I think
The Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Caribbean Summer Camp is more polictically correct.

309 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:28:55am
310 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:29:13am

re: #281 Cato the Elder
We lose more good bloggers to Kindle. Charles, are you sure you want to keep endorsing that thing?

311 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:29:19am

re: #291 jamgarr
That could be the summer camp drink of choice.

312 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:29:31am

re: #303 LGoPs

Ute better not.......

But the concept was Seminole to the topic of this conversation.

313 Ojoe  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:29:32am

re: #301 DaddyG

Gentle Interrogation Techniques for Mohammedan Outlaws

314 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:29:36am

re: #306 CyanSnowHawk

No, that was Cattt.

Oh yeah, Zombie too, although Zombie put on a bikini a little later.

315 MandyManners  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:29:38am

re: #307 Honorary Yooper

I Hopi he does.

That would be a Seminole event.

316 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:30:01am

re: #307 Honorary Yooper

I Hopi he does.

MOHICAn....Move Over Here It Comes Again....a pun thread that is....
:)

317 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:30:15am

re: #306 CyanSnowHawk

No, that was Cattt.

Not me. Those pics were never posted online. /

318 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:30:15am

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

Aw, c'mon--where's your belief in Hopi and change?

I fear we may be up a Creek.

319 subsailor68  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:30:57am

subsailor68 tried to come up with a pun, but Zuni just gave up.

Sigh.

320 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:30:59am

re: #295 Charles

Exactly right. There are plenty of blogs that will let you rant and scream about revolution and civil war all you like. Not here. I'm dead serious about this, and I WILL block accounts of people who do it.

The only revolution I would like to see is a replication of the 1994 Republican Revolution. The Contract With America was a clarion call for sane thinking that was rewarded with a victory at the ballot box.

321 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:03am

re: #312 calcajun

But the concept was Seminole to the topic of this conversation.

I wish to propose a deCree on ending pun threads. Somehow I suspect it will be Taos'd out.

322 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:22am

re: #266 zombie

You are definitely hoping to give OR a heart attack.

323 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:29am

re: #286 Honorary Yooper

I'm a bit curious as well, given the predicament of Chester A. Arthur. There were a lot of accusations and rumors at the time that he had been born in Quebec instead of Vermont. Nirthers are not simply a product of our own times. They've existed for many, many years.

Why don't we just put an asterisk by their name in the Presidential box scores? /

324 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

Aw, c'mon--where's your belief in Hopi and change?

another zuni thread

325 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:34am

re: #302 Ojoe

Idiotic infantile electorate fawning after bozos and amplified to a screeching feedback by an even stupider media

You speaking of the present or ancient Rome? Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

326 jaunte  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:37am

re: #319 subsailor68

subsailor68 tried to come up with a pun, but Zuni just gave up.

Sigh.

Navahope abandon.

327 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:31:58am

re: #317 Catttt

Not me. Those pics were never posted online. /

Never said nothin' 'bout pics of you, but IIRC, you were taking casual Friday a little too casually.

328 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:00am

OK... so who thinks OBAMA will actually "out Bush" McCain?

Seriously.... The voters JUST MIGHT have voted for the "right" guy!

/ok, not seriously.... I am kidding.

329 CommonCents  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:04am

re: #134 CyanSnowHawk

Cattt's taking casual Friday to an extreme that only works when done by nubile 20-something women.

And guys in Afghanistan with rifles.

Did you hear Gates referring to him in a speech he was giving yesterday. Good light hearted stuff.

330 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:04am
331 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:08am

re: #318 Honorary Yooper

I fear we may be up a Creek.

I think we've hit apache stretch of road here........

332 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:10am

re: #315 MandyManners

I thought of that first. Guess that puts you up the Creek.

333 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:10am

re: #325 calcajun

You speaking of the present or ancient Rome? Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Yep, the story never changes, only the costumes and scenery.

334 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:12am

re: #318 Honorary Yooper

I fear we may be up a Creek.

Trying to work Choctaw in there (my grandfather on mom's side was Choctaw) - just not punny enough to think of anything.

335 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #197 Buck

It is my opinion that THIS has to be the next big meme!

How did UBL recruit before 9/11, during the Clinton 8 years?

The author of "Willful Blindness", Andrew C. McCarthy writes:

"The Soviet Union, shockingly on its last legs, announced in the spring of 1988 that it would pull its forces out of Afghanistan by the following February...The stunning concession of superpower failure ushered in a period of triumph, tension, and upheaval for radical Islam...Radical Islam, however, claimed and branded the victory: The slaying of a hegemon, possible only through the intercession of Allah, but inevitable, they believed, because Allah's intercession, His conquest, is assured to those willing to fight for His cause...Rhetorically, defeating the U.S.S.R. was a powerful recruiting tool..." [p. 112, emphasis in the original]

336 Ojoe  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:20am

re: #325 calcajun

Well the present one. I am appalled by the stupidity.

337 turn  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:25am

re: #300 Kenneth

That earlier comment was over-the-top.

And by the read of it he is breaking his own rule. Man I come back from lunch to a happy ending on the last thread only to find out this one is every bid as heated. Something different is going on here today.

338 apachegunner  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:28am

re: #319 subsailor68

subsailor68 tried to come up with a pun, but Zuni just gave up.

Sigh.


damn, didn't think anyone knew the zuni

339 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:46am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

Obama argued that criminal trials and long sentences in US high security prisons will be a better deterent to Al Qaeda. He even cited the example of Abu Hamza, the Blind Sheihk who materminded the 1993 bombing of the WTC.

Hello Barry! That deterred Al Qaeda so well they attacked the WTC again on 9-11. The president is a dangerous fool.

340 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:50am

re: #246 Iron Fist

I don't see anything "extremist" there. All I'm saying is that I need to get into shape. "running toward the sound of the guns" is a stock phrase for heading into danger, but everyone knows this. I certainly see all kinds of danger in the days that are coming.

'Running toward the sound of the guns'...When Pat was running for Prez, wasn't that one of the favorite phrases he used to rally the Buchanan Brigades?

(Googling...)

Well, actually, the phrase he used was "Do not wait for orders from headquarters. Mount up everybody and ride to the sound of the guns."

But it's close.

Pat Buchanan's exhortation reminds me of that song Tim Robbins sang in the parodic yet scary movie Bob Roberts: Retake America.

341 CommonCents  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:32:56am

re: #317 Catttt

Not me. Those pics were never posted online. /

As far as you know.
/

342 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #331 LGoPs

I think we've hit apache stretch of road here........

Huron to something with that one.

343 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:10am

re: #321 MrSilverDragon

I wish to propose a deCree on ending pun threads. Somehow I suspect it will be Taos'd out.

That attitude Sauks.

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #334 Catttt

Trying to work Choctaw in there (my grandfather on mom's side was Choctaw) - just not punny enough to think of anything.

Play Nez, and don't hit anyone with your Perce.

345 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:35am
346 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:38am

re: #266 zombie

Hey, you exposed that you use a MAC.... so I already know you are a chick....


/running and ducking

347 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #336 Ojoe

Well the present one. I am appalled by the stupidity.

And this is new how? Hate to sound jaded, but it's always been like that.

348 opnion  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

I have trouble with this logic. Prior to 9/11 Gitmo was just a duty station that Marines dreaded. No prisoners being held.
But 9/11 happened & everything that came before it. Gitmo was not needed as a recruiting tool & I doubt now that it is a big recruiting tool

349 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:33:58am

re: #313 Ojoe

Gentle Interrogation Techniques for Mohammedan Outlaws


I regret that I only have one upding to give.

350 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #3 Alouette

I see he is being pragmatic. It's a relief, actually.


I agree.
It would be much worse if he were a fanatic and 'stuck to his guns'.
I see this change as a feature, not a bug.

351 CommonCents  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:16am

re: #342 calcajun

Huron to something with that one.

The Mo-hi-can do with that comment is laugh.

352 Miss Molly  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:18am

The U.S. Gov't can lock up these terrorists in Colorado or any other jail and keep them locked up. I worry that having them on U.S. soil might encourage some other terrorists to try to get them out by creating another "Belsen" -- the school in Russia that was taken over by terrorists and many children and adults were killed. It would be so easy for terrorists to take over an elementary school and demand the release of their buddy terrorists in jail. And, to be taken seriously they would most likely start killing some of the hostages.

If these terrorists are going to be in a jail what difference does it make as to the location? Gitmo is as good a place for a really nice jail as Colorado or any other place . If the rest of the world doesn't like a prison in Gitmo then let them offer some space in their jails.

353 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #334 Catttt

Trying to work Choctaw in there (my grandfather on mom's side was Choctaw) - just not punny enough to think of anything.

I got Choctaw once. Had to get a Teton us shot....

354 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:21am

Uplifting story of the day:

The day after his father's funeral, Jordan Weiner tossed a no-hitter in a playoff game for his high school in Queens. Jordan's father was the AP who died from complications of swine flu.

355 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:26am
356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #345 buzzsawmonkey

It's amazing how the puns Comanche spontaneously.

Cochisely put.

357 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:37am

re: #343 Honorary Yooper

That attitude Sauks.

Acoma on! I like to Palouse the threads sans Puns.

/we all know THAT'S not true.

358 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:34:47am

re: #344 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Play Nez, and don't hit anyone with your Perce.

We should be able to Seattle our differences peaceably.

359 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:02am

re: #339 Kenneth

Obama argued that criminal trials and long sentences in US high security prisons will be a better deterent to Al Qaeda. He even cited the example of Abu Hamza, the Blind Sheihk who materminded the 1993 bombing of the WTC.

Hello Barry! That deterred Al Qaeda so well they attacked the WTC again on 9-11. The president is a dangerous fool.


WTF? You are not supposed to actutally take his speeches seriously. Sheesh.

360 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:08am

re: #281 Cato the Elder

Hey all.

FedEx just brought my Kindle, right on schedule.

See you in about five days or five books, whichever comes first.

June had suggested getting her mom a Kindle for her birthday, until I told her the price. I wish they were more like $199.

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #269 calcajun

It's called "fear". It's the same mentality we saw across the aisle in 2002-2006. It's our turn now to be deranged. It will pass--nothing more than a spasm.

No, derangement and insanity is never acceptable. We need to step up and offer sanity and reality, not more of the same foaming at the mouth. The GOP tried to play Democrat Lite and got smack-downed by the electorate, as they should have been.

Return to the roots and sanity of fiscal conservatism and smaller government and voters will listen.

362 Ojoe  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:43am

re: #349 DaddyG

313 is the license plate number on Donald Duck's car too. Look it up!

363 jaunte  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:47am

re: #358 calcajun

We should be able to Seattle our differences peaceably.

Even when some people tend to be naturally Karankawa?

364 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:58am

re: #357 MrSilverDragon

Acoma on! I like to Palouse the threads sans Puns.

/we all know THAT'S not true.

Illiniwek you for that one.

365 lawhawk  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:35:59am

re: #339 Kenneth

He also ignores the fact that Rahman's attorneys were caught passing on notes to his followers in Egypt (Lynne Stewart) despite agreements to do no such thing.

366 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #327 CyanSnowHawk

Never said nothin' 'bout pics of you, but IIRC, you were taking casual Friday a little too casually.

Casual Day.

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #358 calcajun

We should be able to Seattle our differences peaceably.

Be careful, someone will Paiute in the face for that.

368 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:36:52am

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans

My point, though, is that this is a phase. We will come out of it. The question is whether the party moves forward and cuts off the dead flesh or retrenches. Haven't a clue how that is going to play out yet.

369 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:37:07am

re: #364 Honorary Yooper

Illiniwek you for that one.

It's truly a Gros Ventre to embark on.

370 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:37:31am

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Be careful, someone will Paiute in the face for that.

That was nothing to Crow about.....

371 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:37:34am

re: #363 jaunte

Even when some people tend to be naturally Karankawa?

I think we Kanawha get along.

372 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #363 jaunte

Even when some people tend to be naturally Karankawa?

Something told me you were going to say that. I'm Inuit-ve that way.

373 Buck  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:38:00am

re: #335 J.S.

.Rhetorically, defeating the U.S.S.R. was a powerful recruiting tool..." [p. 112, emphasis in the original]

OK, and again that has nothing to do with GITMO! Certainly, the USA getting defeated will be a great recruiting tool...

I didn't mean for you to really tell me how AQ recruits members.... I meant to point out that they recruit with or without Gitmo.

374 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:38:17am

re: #348 opnion

I have trouble with this logic. Prior to 9/11 Gitmo was just a duty station that Marines dreaded. No prisoners being held.
But 9/11 happened & everything that came before it. Gitmo was not needed as a recruiting tool & I doubt now that it is a big recruiting tool


It's just a lie the Democrats and their media lackeys have latched on. Its pretty much Democrat logic.

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:38:21am
376 jaunte  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:39:10am

re: #372 calcajun

I Maya've known.

377 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:39:16am
378 aggieann  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:39:35am

re: #281 Cato the Elder

Hey all.

FedEx just brought my Kindle, right on schedule.

See you in about five days or five books, whichever comes first.

The new version, due to be shipped "this summer?"

379 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:39:45am

re: #360 Ward Cleaver

June had suggested getting her mom a Kindle for her birthday, until I told her the price. I wish they were more like $199.

Sony Reader is about 100 bucks less, but a Kindle would be easier for her mom. Sony Reader is nice, but Amazon makes Kindle easy to download.

I bought my Reader before Kindle came out. I really like it. I actually saved money - I kept wearing out PDAs on reading, and the readers is much easier to use and better on the eyes. I also save money on books, and I read a lot (three to five books per week average).

380 CommonCents  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:39:54am

re: #373 Buck

OK, and again that has nothing to do with GITMO! Certainly, the USA getting defeated will be a great recruiting tool...

I didn't mean for you to really tell me how AQ recruits members.... I meant to point out that they recruit with or without Gitmo.

AQ says "If you kill the infidel you will get 72 virgins and live in paradise. Oh yeah, and Gitmo!"

Which part of that is more persuasive?

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #370 LGoPs

That was nothing to Crow about.....

I'll get better in my next Incanation.

382 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll get better in my next Incanation.

I had to read that twice. I thought it was an optical Aleutian at first.

383 CommonCents  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:41:20am

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll get better in my next Incanation.

The Mohave the mo you want.

384 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:42:25am

re: #265 kansas

Gates said this about Gitmo:

"The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

There you have it, and Obama will shortly see this. The problem is the name. So, he changes the name and his problem is solved. A perfect Obama solution. Any suggestions on the new name?

How about "The Happy Happy Joy Joy Resort"?

385 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:42:31am

re: #383 CommonCents

The Mohave the mo you want.

What he wants is to be the Seneca of attention.

386 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:43:48am

re: #382 calcajun

I had to read that twice. I thought it was an optical Aleutian at first.

You just have to oglala the comment longer next time......

387 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:46:05am

re: #352 Miss Molly

The problem with bringing the prisoners at Gitmo into the US is that the full legal protections of the US Constitution will then apply to them. None of these prisoners were read their Miranda rights. All the evidence that was obtained against them will be ruled inadmissible. They have not had proper access to legal counsel. The list goes on. Joe Biden is right: Obama has opened a Pandora's box.

388 Miss Molly  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:47:40am

If Gito needs a new name I like "Fantasy Island".

389 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #339 Kenneth

Actually, the name of the Blind Sheikh was Abdel Rahman. While in prison he ordered hits (via telephone). Osama bin Laden claimed that it was Rahman who issued the fatwa that it was "OK" to go ahead with 9/11. (McCarthy writes, in "Willful Blindness": "Occasionally, just in case we've missed the point, the Blind Sheikh's global loyalists actually do commit some massacre aimed at extorting his release. In 1997, for example, in Luxor, six Islamic Group assassins viciously shot and sliced to death fifty-eight tourists and four Egyptian police officers, for good measure inserting into one split torso a leaflet foretelling more bloodlettings unless American authorities freed their esteemed leader." p. 91).

390 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:48:31am

re: #387 Kenneth

What about their classification as combatants? Doesn't put them under the UCMJ? Germans, Italians and Japanese had no such rights during WII?

391 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:48:34am

re: #387 Kenneth

Joe Biden is right.

It's like a sentence that fell out of the Twilight Zone.

392 Ojoe  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:48:59am

re: #387 Kenneth

It is insane that closing GITMO is even being discussed.

There are WAY too many fools in this country.

Hardly anyone is in touch with their inner barbarian.

For he will give you the real answer about how to deal with barbarians.

It is not a post modern metrosexual answer.

393 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #390 calcajun

What about their classification as combatants? Doesn't put them under the UCMJ? Germans, Italians and Japanese had no such rights during WII?

You can't put POW's on trial. Obama has painted himself into a corner.

394 MacDuff  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:50:59am

re: #387 Kenneth

The problem with bringing the prisoners at Gitmo into the US is that the full legal protections of the US Constitution will then apply to them. None of these prisoners were read their Miranda rights. All the evidence that was obtained against them will be ruled inadmissible. They have not had proper access to legal counsel. The list goes on. Joe Biden is right: Obama has opened a Pandora's box.

Considering the contents of Pandora's Box, the analogy is quite apt.

395 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:51:29am

re: #353 LGoPs

I got Choctaw once. Had to get a Teton us shot....

Did you know that Oklahoma is derived from Choctaw? In Choctaw, okla means nation or people, and homma is red. The name was suggested iirc by a Choctaw chief.

396 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:53:07am

re: #395 Catttt

Did you know that Oklahoma is derived from Choctaw? In Choctaw, okla means nation or people, and homma is red. The name was suggested iirc by a Choctaw chief.

No, I didn't but it seems to make sense. At least in the sense that I believe that Oklahoma is where many of the relocated eastern tribes were sent to in the early to mid 1800's, IIRC.

397 Miss Molly  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:54:05am

re: #387 Kenneth


I am aware that there will be so many problems with Con law if these terrorists are brought into the U.S. And, most likely a lot of the evidence will be thrown out in court for several reasons and that would be a terrible image for the U.S. However, all these concerns were public when Obama was campaigning and he should have been well aware of them. If he brings them to the States now I just see that as an open invitation for some group to commit another terrorist/hostage problem to get these terrorists out of jail.

398 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #394 MacDuff

Considering the contents of Pandora's Box, the analogy is quite apt.

ills, toils and sickness — and Hope!

399 Pupdawg  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:57:34am

Must be nice to have such enablers that one can simultaneously have their cake, Bush's cake, your cake, my cake and eat it, too.

History will eventually show that this man was not allowed to err or to fail in word or deed like other mere human beings. Think of the prospects of being told at whatever age in your life that, 'you will never fail regardless of your actions, never!' In your case, this is no affirmation of expectation, but a guarantee. Such is Obama's life and future legacy, so far. In as much, Obama's history is already written by the MSM, the Matrix. All we need do is wait for Amazon or Barnes & Noble to receive their copies.

400 nikis-knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:58:27am

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

Except that he hasn't got the guts or the integrity to say to his base, "We were wrong; these policies were, and are, good." Instead, he's still trying to have it both ways by pussyfooting around the show trial thing.

Obama could live up to his advance billing as a unifier if he were to stick a pin in the Leftist gasbag and let out some of the toxicity therein. But he doesn't have it in him to do that.


Bingo.

401 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 11:59:26am

re: #397 Miss Molly

Ironic how Obama's fancy speech yesterday, repeatedly referring to the high ideals of the US Constitution, but failed to consider how that constitution will direct the treatment of these prisoners once on US soil.

402 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:01:47pm

What the President isn't saying probably tells us more than what he is.
It seems likely that Obama changed direction because of what he heard in the classified national security briefings right after the election. One report had it that he emerged "ashen-faced" from one such briefing.
One possibility: We have a big, BIG secret that has to protected at any cost and this somehow requires keeping the Gitmo terrorists under wraps.

403 Miss Molly  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:06:50pm

re: #401 Kenneth

I wonder how many Americans really understand what will happen when these terrorists show up in American courts and some of them may be let go. Obama should care more about the 3000 plus people who were killed on 9/11 than he does about making sure these terrorists have their "rights". Military courts have been used since Washington and have done a very nice job of handeling these kinds of problems and can do again.

404 jvic  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:12:56pm

re: #20 Sharmuta
re: #73 SixDegrees

I'm really hoping the Blue Dogs in the House begin to assert themselves, and that the GOP reaches across the aisle to support them. They're on the same page when it comes to fiscal responsibility, and together they can build a coalition that can stop this nonsense before it passes the point of no return.

Note to self: Now that the Blue Dogs have an email address, send them some encouragement.

PS: Encourage them, but don't get carried away until you know more about them.

405 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:16:30pm

re: #378 aggieann

The new version, due to be shipped "this summer?"

The currently available version, 6" screen. Same one Charles has.

I'm going to be testing it specifically for how it handles foreign languages. If it doesn't do that properly, back it goes.

406 justabill  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #402 Shiplord Kirel

What the President isn't saying probably tells us more than what he is.
It seems likely that Obama changed direction because of what he heard in the classified national security briefings right after the election. One report had it that he emerged "ashen-faced" from one such briefing.
One possibility: We have a big, BIG secret that has to protected at any cost and this somehow requires keeping the Gitmo terrorists under wraps.

The detainees know where Obamas nirth certificate is...

407 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:21:20pm

re: #403 Miss Molly

Obama made this decision looking backward, blaming Bush and pleading he has to clean up the mess. He is not looking forward & has no plan how to do this thing. I agree with you: we are in for a disaster.

408 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:26:16pm

re: #403 Miss Molly

I wonder how many Americans really understand what will happen when these terrorists show up in American courts and some of them may be let go. Obama should care more about the 3000 plus people who were killed on 9/11 than he does about making sure these terrorists have their "rights". Military courts have been used since Washington and have done a very nice job of handeling these kinds of problems and can do again.

If 19 of these vicious bastards could massacre 3000 people and do a hundred BILLION (not million) dollars damage to our economy, what could 240 of them do?

The only good reason to bring them into the US is to bury their dead bones, if no one else will take them. And even then the location of the interment should not be disclosed.

409 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:30:35pm

re: #407 Kenneth

Kenneth, did you read that Commentary article about Gitmo which was linked to yesterday? Among the various outrages (all the myths that are/have been perpetrated on behalf of the terrorists, etc.), the one I found most hypocritical and infuriating -- that was the revelation about Michael Scheuer. Did you read that one (and the footnote?) that fr*g antisemite and Ron Paul supporter -- HE's the one who started, during the Clinton era, "secret renditions" -- where suspects really were tortured, brutally, in foreign states -- that's his "contribution." That f**g as*h*e.

410 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:31:22pm

re: #408 Salamantis

Now, now, now Salamantis, it's no longer 240 -- 50 have already been released...

411 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:36:24pm

re: #409 J.S.

I'm not sure if I saw that article, but I did know about Michael Sheuer. And about Vice-President Al "Render his ass!" Gore.

BTW: Obama has kept the power of extraordinary rendition.

412 J.S.  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:45:17pm

re: #411 Kenneth

Yep, extraordinary rendition (along with waterboarding and far, far worse) are all (now) up to Presidential discretion...My what an ethical President the United States has! (here's that Commentary article link...I think it's a great article...it also explains how Gitmo came into existence; why/purpose of its existence; all the myths that have been promulgated against it; the classification of the terrorists; the relationship with Geneva Conventions; and hints about all the problems which could arise if/when it's closed..)

413 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 12:49:42pm

re: #412 J.S.

Thanks for the link! Excellent essay.

414 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 22, 2009 1:12:55pm

re: #214 Kenneth

The body language of a narcissist:

The dog that they got, the name is BO. allegedly something about the Grandma and cousin? I think they named it BO for the POTUS initials.

415 vxbush  Fri, May 22, 2009 1:16:31pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

The currently available version, 6" screen. Same one Charles has.

I'm going to be testing it specifically for how it handles foreign languages. If it doesn't do that properly, back it goes.

Or you could make a donation to the VX education fund......

[wishes]

416 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 22, 2009 1:42:16pm

re: #277 soxfan4life

The Barack Hussein Obama Jr. reeducation camp for militant Islamists?

How about Camp Yeeha-d (pronounced Jihad)

417 FrumiousFalafel  Fri, May 22, 2009 1:59:08pm

re: #184 StillAMarine

The man (Charles Krauthammer) is an outright genius. He's one of those people who teaches you both with his words, and with his poise and steady demeanor.

99 out of 100 people including myself would have become bitter, depressed, and who knows what else after suffering a diving accident -- as I understand he did during his first year at Medical School. Think of your age and ambition at that point in life and to have your world taken away (as you knew it). Think of yourself, male / female ... and simply as a human, having the animation crushed from your body.

If FDR could do it, maybe...

418 tradewind  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:09:43pm

Joe Klein should apologize for his column in Politico today where he asserts that Krauthammer would be a better reporter were he not in a wheelchair.
What a douche.

419 tradewind  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:11:11pm

re: #414 Sparmageddon

As Homer would say, ' DOH '.
BHO is starting to really let the arrogance out in public.... that speech yesterday was a prime example. Lie To Me could have a field day with his body language.

420 satan sidekick  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:48:30pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

The people really getting screwed right now are the baby boomers. Our retirement funds have been reduced and we don't have lots of time to make up for it. Many of the 45+ have been laid off and due to their age it's harder to find a job. My hubby was told to dye his hair to look younger.

I do feel horrible about what our children and grandchildren will face and the ONE with the arrogant jutting chin isn't helping anyone with his free for all spending. Obama case of BDS is as bad as the Kooky Kos Kidz.

421 Clutch  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:52:04pm

re: #46 Ward Cleaver

I found it on the first link, con mucho scrolling. But I liked this picture best.

/as would or

What did the sign say, I didn't notice...

>:-)

422 satan sidekick  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:56:31pm

re: #141 Blue_Knight

A good friend of mine worked with him on the university newspaper in Montreal during her college years. Can't remember the name of the university but he was the editor.

423 Kenneth  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:48:09pm

Krauthammer was born on March 13, 1950 in New York City[3][4]. He was raised in Montreal, Canada where he attended Herzliah High School and McGill University and obtained an honors degree in political science and economics in 1970. From 1970 to 1971, he was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford. He later moved to the United States, where he attended Harvard Medical School. Suffering a paralyzing diving accident in his first year of medical school, he was hospitalized for a year, during which time he continued his medical studies.[5] He graduated with his class, earning an M.D. from Harvard Medical School in 1975, and then began working as a psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital. In October 1984, he became board certified in psychiatry by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology.

424 quickjustice  Fri, May 22, 2009 6:51:58pm

re: #95 zombie

I met Yoo in DC several years ago, and heard him speak. Agree with him or not, he's a brilliant lawyer. And the left displays its historical ignorance by attacking his legal work.

The toughest legal opinions about the powers of the executive branch to protect the American people during times of war, rebellion, and domestic violence and terrorism came from the Lincoln Administration during the Civil War. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, and arrested Copperheads and Confederate sympathizers all over the North, deporting them South without trial. His Attorney General rendered multiple legal opinions providing justification for these acts. "The Constitution", said Lincoln in reply to his many critics, "is not a suicide pact."


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